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• 26[00:12:23] <Shadow_7> John__: did you see my previous. You can force it manually.
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• 30[00:13:37] <Shadow_7> John__: xset fp+ /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/fonts/truetype/public/opensans/ && xset fp rehash && fc-cache -f -v
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• 36[00:15:03] <John__> Shadow_7, I'll try it, thanks.
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• 38[00:15:11] <Shadow_7> John__: It may require some mkfontscale and mkfontdir action in the directory. Or /etc/fonts/local.conf type methods too add that path, but it should work fine.
• 39[00:16:01] <Shadow_7> I didn't really see that path in the /etc/fonts/ configs. But it's distro supplied, so one would hope. Baring special things that make it only work for texlive.
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• 43[00:16:27] <Shadow_7> I mostly copy fonts to ~/.fonts which is listed in /etc/fonts/ stuff.
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• 45[00:16:55] <Shadow_7> You only need mkfontscale and mkfontdir when the contents of said location changes.
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• 63[00:28:32] <GTAXL> How do I change rsyslog to use this date format on messages? 2017-02-24T18:27:56-05:00
• 64[00:28:48] <GTAXL> as right now it's using Feb 24 18:27:49
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• 120[00:52:15] <wilson> GTAXL: if you google "rsyslog iso 8601" you will find a number of hits.
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• 127[00:56:40] <GTAXL> is it this?
• 128[00:56:41] <GTAXL> $ActionFileDefaultTemplate RSYSLOG_TraditionalFileFormat
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• 130[00:56:45] <GTAXL> as that's uncommented already in the config
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• 224[02:19:23] <deego> I see that debian just updated packages login and passwd. did i miss a DSA for that?
• 225[02:19:53] <deego> ah, the shadow dsa
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• 227[02:20:28] <Shadow_7> I pleed the 5th
• 228[02:20:32] <themill> DSA-3793-1
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• 230[02:22:42] <deego> hehe
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• 272[02:47:50] <tharkun> is the /tmp a ramdisk in debian or a partition within the hdd?
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• 274[02:48:18] <missmbob> by default neither. just a folder
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• 280[02:49:16] <somiaj> tharkun: just another directory part of the root filesystem. I think there is an option you can pick to make it its own partition and ways to run it on tmpfs, but default it is just part of /
• 281[02:49:31] <somiaj> tharkun: though configure it the way you want
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• 283[02:52:41] <tharkun> somiaj: I think I could use a small ramdisk or a tmpfs as you call them. Do you know what would be my night reading for today :)
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• 296[03:05:34] <somiaj> tharkun: there is a systemd unit you need to enable or configure, after that it should set it up for you
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• 299[03:07:31] <somiaj> tharkun: in jessie there is a tmp.mount, so just systemctl enable tmp.mount should be enough
• 300[03:07:52] <somiaj> check /lib/systemd/system/tmp.mount for more info, copy that to /etc/systemd/system if you need to make changes
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• 308[03:09:59] <psychoticwarrior> hey
• 309[03:10:11] <bazhang> hi
• 310[03:10:17] <psychoticwarrior> hows it going
• 311[03:10:37] <bazhang> need help with debian?
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• 315[03:12:36] <psychoticwarrior> no
• 316[03:12:44] <psychoticwarrior> currently running kali ]
• 317[03:12:48] <tharkun> somiaj: note taken I will take a look at it asap
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• 476[04:47:59] <lux_> anyone still have a modem and remember how to use it? I need help testing my windows modem on linux
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• 486[04:51:32] <Shadow_7> I had good luck with lucent modems. But don't have any active PCI machines
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• 489[04:52:15] <Shadow_7> I was stuck on dial-up until about 2009-ish.
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• 491[04:52:35] <lhx> lux_: modem? bwahahahah
• 492[04:52:44] <lhx> j/k... that's no laughing matter
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• 494[04:53:07] <lux_> I am using the horrible zoom usb (SOFT) modem with the 3rd party driver
• 495[04:53:07] * lhx hasn't even seen a modem or heard the modem tone since maybe 1999?
• 496[04:53:16] <lux_> its a usb dongle
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• 500[04:54:19] <Shadow_7> they were all soft modems. Except the old u.s. robotics sportster ones
• 501[04:54:29] <lux_> modem lhx
• 502[04:55:26] <lhx> that sounds awful
• 503[04:55:33] <lux_> I have pci modems too but my new generation silent pc has no pci slot. :|
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• 517[05:10:39] <Shadow_7> Connexant ones sucked. Mostly because linuxant took over the driver and charged for it. And the old free one basically vanished. The free one sucked, but did better than the 14.4k that linuxant gimped the free variant of theirs too.
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• 548[05:31:21] <Aberts10> If i install debian jessie, and enable the Unstable (sid) and Testing repos... Will that make it a rolling release? I still have a bit confusion, As i understand that LMDE 2 which is debian testing, is Semi-rolling.... And siduction which using unstable is full-rolling
• 549[05:32:39] <themill> if you can define what you actually mean by rolling then you'd know. 'rolling release' is a meaningless term...
• 550[05:32:48] <Aberts10> I want to have the ability to use APT and deb packages, but with as close to complete rolling as i can get, like arch (hopefully where i do not need to reinstall to get the latest security packages or core apps)
• 551[05:32:59] <themill> and if you have a mixture of stable, testing and unstable, what you have is a mess.
• 552[05:34:34] <Aberts10> Well, Is there any debian distrobution close to what you would get with arch? (No need to reinstall every 6 moths) ... I realize ubuntu allows you to do a dist-upgrade, but it just doesn't really seem meant for it, things go haywire.
• 553[05:34:53] <themill> I have no idea what you would get with arch.
• 554[05:35:22] <squigz> themill: he doesn't want 'releases'
• 555[05:35:24] <Aberts10> You never reinstall... Every package is updated everytime there is a new release .... No point releases for security packages or anything.
• 556[05:35:32] <squigz> ARch only has 1 set of packages that are updated constantly
• 557[05:35:39] <themill> You never reinstall debian either...
• 558[05:35:44] <Shadow_7> Aberts10: sid, probably. But if you can't have libre office break for a month+, probably not for you.
• 559[05:36:06] <n4dir> One thing is for sure: if you enable both, testing and sid, you will be running sid, as long you don't set testing to be the default. Aberts10
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• 563[05:36:29] <themill> also, if you have to ask, you shouldn't
• 564[05:36:53] <Shadow_7> sid is a lot more stable now that there's experimental
• 565[05:37:04] <themill> umm, no
• 566[05:37:11] <n4dir> experimental is there for ages.
• 567[05:37:18] <Aberts10> Why is that? Its just a mixed area on the forums... Nobody can give a complete answer
• 568[05:37:27] <Aberts10> So i came here to clear it up.
• 569[05:37:51] <deego> Aberts10: are you looking far a rolling release? "testing" might be what you need. but, beware, it is only slightly more stable than ubuntu
• 570[05:37:56] <deego> and therefore unsupported
• 571[05:38:08] <Shadow_7> well, sid isn't in a state of broken gnome, broken kde > 75% of the time now.
• 572[05:39:02] <Aberts10> deego: My main issue is that ubuntu does not offer really anything close to a semi-rolling... Distro upgrades just dont work... And im willing to learn to build packages by hand if needed...
• 573[05:39:05] <deego> Aberts10: also, if you are using testing, there's no real need to keep around sid/stable in your sources.list
• 574[05:39:48] <Aberts10> deego: so SID is basically a rolling release? ... And testing is too, but just holds back packages before it sends them out?
• 575[05:39:56] <deego> Aberts10: debian is as stable and smooth as it comes, with guaranteed upgrade paths. I have had debian machines around since 1999, I apt-get dist-upgrade when a new one coems out
• 576[05:40:12] <deego> Aberts10: otoh, if you really want a rolling, like i said, you might like testing
• 577[05:40:16] <n4dir> Aberts10: themill already said it: depends what you mean with rolling release.
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• 579[05:40:42] <n4dir> during the freeze to release the new stable, neither testing nor sid are very rolling.
• 580[05:40:46] <Shadow_7> Is the vetting process still a thing with sid -> testing? no new bug reports for 15+ days?
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• 584[05:43:50] <themill> Aberts10: if by 'rolling release' you mean something that is unreleased anarchy of not-necessarily-checked-to-work packages, then yes, that is what sid is.
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• 586[05:44:51] <themill> hopefully rather less messy than normal right now, but...
• 587[05:45:20] <lhx> I find sid breaks less than arch
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• 589[05:45:43] <lhx> but has frequent periods where versions don't match upstream unlike arch
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• 591[05:46:03] <Shadow_7> I find arch too difficult to nuke and pave. Where debian I can almost nuke in pave half asleep.
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• 593[05:47:15] <AvatarA> well with sid, things MAY break more often but get fixed quicker and with testing things MAY break less often but get fixed slower
• 594[05:47:27] <Shadow_7> Plus arch has a lot of annoyances. No msttcorefonts. No +D for povray compiled in. libxca is in the AUR, not mainline. dhcpcd instead of dhclient or dhcpcd.
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• 598[05:48:39] <Aberts10> Are the system freezes what hold back the packages for stability? ... I would've thought you could just take something like arch, and hold back packages automatically and manually and also only provide the latest stable builds, and your system never has to be reinstalled to get the latest version of something, and you merely have to run sudo apt up
• 599[05:48:39] <Aberts10> date every so often to make sure its up to date.
• 600[05:48:42] <lhx> Shadow_7: arch has them, just in the AUR
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• 602[05:49:17] <Aberts10> But from what im getting, It seems alot more involved than that... And kernel versions and programs for the normal debian are far behind.
• 603[05:49:41] <themill> the kernel is the easiest thing to keep up to date (and also probably the least interesting)
• 604[05:50:01] <Shadow_7> Mostly I run debian stable and compile a few programs from source. Many times creating .deb's that I install with apt/dpkg.
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• 606[05:50:24] <lhx> Aberts10: replaced-url
• 607[05:50:54] <lhx> Aberts10: debian stable + selected backports are also doable
• 608[05:50:55] <AvatarA> I don't think about how far or less far behind I am, just see if I need or don't need whatever is new(er)
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• 610[05:51:23] <Shadow_7> A custom kernel if I have bleeding edge hardware. A wifi driver for the kernel. And cwm a BSD window manager. But mostly stable is good enough.
• 611[05:52:21] <n4dir> Aberts10: if you *always* want to run the newes software releases 2 days before they were released, then debian isn't the right distro (not even sid, due to the freeze)
• 612[05:52:31] <Shadow_7> I do miss a few things abandoned from the distro over the years. gftp, pornview, ... ... ...
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• 615[05:52:52] <n4dir> if you don't want to reinstall but only go for upgrade and dist-upgrade: that works for all debian "versions" (stable, testing, sid)
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• 617[05:54:49] <Aberts10> n4dir: Instead of libre office 5.3, i'd be using 5.2 or 5.0 ... I assume thats within debian testing or sid.
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• 619[05:55:32] <themill> ,v libreoffice --release jessie-backport
• 620[05:55:33] <judd> Package: libreoffice on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u8; wheezy-backports: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u5; jessie-backports: 1:5.2.4-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:5.2.5-2; sid: 1:5.2.5-2; experimental: 1:5.3.0-1
• 621[05:55:33] <themill> ,v libreoffice --release jessie-backports
• 622[05:55:34] <judd> Package: libreoffice on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1:5.2.4-2~bpo8+1
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• 625[05:55:55] * themill slaps judd
• 626[05:55:57] <Aberts10> Im going to test out Sid for a while... See how it goes... And get a idea of what software versions its using.
• 627[05:55:58] <n4dir> I guess i got your point. I only point out that though debian-sid usually has software rather new, during the hard freeze new releases hardly don't enter sid either.
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• 633[05:56:35] <Aberts10> n4dir: how long do these freezes last? and whats their purpose?
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• 635[05:56:54] <Shadow_7> The freeze is pre-release of the next debian stable
• 636[05:56:55] <n4dir> folks say: when it's ready. I would say round the lines of 6 months
• 637[05:56:59] <themill> !freeze
• 638[05:56:59] <dpkg> The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'. Stretch started to freeze in Nov 2016 and entered full freeze on 5 Feb 2017. Also ask me about <slushy>, <stretch freeze>.
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• 640[05:58:03] <themill> randomly introducing new packages also introduces new incompatibilities
• 641[05:59:24] <Aberts10> seems reasonable to me.
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• 645[06:00:22] <n4dir1> Aberts10: also, if running sid, you want to install apt-listbugs and listchanges. A good backup is also a good idea.
• 646[06:00:54] <missmbob> Aberts10: and go to #debian-next on oftc for support
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• 648[06:01:03] <n4dir1> i would always say to first run stable for a good while, to get the hang of it.
• 649[06:01:13] <squigz> Why is #debian-next on OFTC, not on Freenode?
• 650[06:01:17] <Aberts10> n4dir1: It was unusable for me.
• 651[06:01:29] <missmbob> !tell squigz about oftc move
• 652[06:01:35] <squigz> missmbob: ty :)
• 653[06:01:40] <Aberts10> n4dir1: alot of libraries were full versions behind... so i couldn't install what i needed
• 654[06:01:43] <n4dir1> usable or not, one will want to learn debian way before running testing or sit
• 655[06:01:45] <n4dir1> sid
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• 658[06:02:18] <n4dir1> your choice. install listbugs and listchanges (the latter: or similar)
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• 663[06:04:07] <Rusty1_> lintian doesnt show known bugs?
• 664[06:04:33] <themill> Rusty1_: lintian has nothing to do with bug report
• 665[06:04:34] <Aberts10> Will libraries get updated to a recent version after enabling sid?
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• 673[06:08:01] <karlpinc> Humm. Aberts10 is gone. He's probably "not able to install what he needs" because he's installing the wrong way and should be referred to replaced-url
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• 1315[07:46:32] <verumnos_> can someone tell me how can I setup a telnet server with a username and a password ?
• 1316[07:47:06] <verumnos_> I've installed telnetd and it's fine but it uses my O/S credentials and there is nowhere documentation about /etc/inetd.conf
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• 1318[07:47:12] <n4dir1> any good readon not to use ssh?
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• 1321[07:51:25] <moetunes> telnet is so insecure
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• 1356[08:13:51] <mcrt> how come #debian-next is invite only?
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• 1360[08:15:15] <n4dir1> mcrt: it is on a different server. irc.oftc.net
• 1361[08:16:22] <mcrt> n4dir1: ah. thanks!
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• 1365[08:20:03] <n4dir1> cool, i was not sure i put it clear enough, sounds you were able to join .
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• 1367[08:21:36] <mcrt> n4dir1: yup
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• 1381[08:28:49] <rootkea> Hello! I'm using Firefox Aurora. I have these lines in my `sources.list`
• 1382[08:29:09] <rootkea> #firefox developer edition
• 1383[08:29:09] <rootkea> deb replaced-url
• 1384[08:29:10] <rootkea> deb-src replaced-url
• 1385[08:29:43] <rootkea> But now `apt-get update` says "W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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• 1387[08:30:33] <rootkea> And also the Debian Mozilla Team page at replaced-url
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• 1390[08:31:30] <rootkea> Is there any official word on this? dropping `aurora` from jessie-backports
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• 1457[09:26:47] <cerion> hi. I just added a virtual interface eth0.7 and ssh stop responding. no way to connect anymore on eth0 ip. why ? is it a bug ? I have the default sshd config (in raspbian)
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• 1477[09:41:30] <verumnos_> moetunes: I am working on a script who connects to telnet devices so I want it for an isolated environment
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• 1479[09:42:10] <verumnos_> I just have a bunch of VMs and want to test different settings e.g. no password/no credentials/different combinations etc.
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• 1489[09:46:43] <verumnos_> does anyone have any idea?
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• 1526[10:25:10] <veek> how do i figure out the version of login being installed
• 1527[10:25:15] <veek> apt- update
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• 1529[10:26:29] <veek> apt-get show login nope
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• 1615[11:34:00] <aZz7eCh> gawd. okay. if any of you have time this evening today ... could you help me work this out? I have a debian server used mostly just for filesharing. I also use debian on my main desktop as my daily os. I have openelec running on a tv and it can do something , my pc cant ... WAKE the debian file server remotely if you try to browse to it ... is there any way I can replicate this feature of openelec (kodi) in debian when i try browsing to the
• 1616[11:34:01] <aZz7eCh> server through nautilus (files) ?
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• 1619[11:34:43] <aZz7eCh> to date, i use a manual script i made, to send the magic packets to that mach_id
• 1620[11:34:52] <aZz7eCh> would much rather it just woke up automatically
• 1621[11:35:09] <aZz7eCh> open to suggestions / hints if any of you have come across a workable solutions
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• 1627[11:37:51] <aZz7eCh> question can be shortened to: How can I get Nautilus ('Files' in Gnome) to automatically send magic packet when browsing LAN to offline server.
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• 1633[11:41:50] <turlutton> Hi there! I lost my password for my virt machine, then I've tried to follow this tut for changing my shadow file replaced-url
• 1634[11:41:56] <turlutton> I still have the shadow- file, but I can't do anything on the shadow file. Is there a way to recover the shadow file form shadow- or to remove the corrupted file, I don't know?
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• 1640[11:48:24] <dutchfish> aZz7eCh, not out of the box. In a nutshell: config a systemd service like /etc/systemd/system/wol.service and a udev rule for wakeonlon. Grant permissions (pretty unsafe) for the usergroup that will have that option. Make a trigger via dbus when Nautilus needs to activate wol on that ip to send a wol target_MAC_addr.
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• 1653[11:54:09] <dutchfish> aZz7eCh, in KDE i just added a script and circumvent the whole idea of going through Dolphin that sends the WOL.
• 1654[11:54:13] <aZz7eCh> configuring a systemd service and udev what now = out of my depth. but thank you for the keywords i'll go googling
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• 1658[11:54:45] <dutchfish> aZz7eCh, copy my short hints for later and delve into it.
• 1659[11:54:54] <aZz7eCh> definitely will thanks
• 1660[11:54:59] <aZz7eCh> already am
• 1661[11:54:59] <dutchfish> aZz7eCh, yw
• 1662[11:55:00] <aZz7eCh> ;P
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• 1672[11:59:53] <dutchfish> aZz7eCh, ps: WOL doesnt work to another subnet over a router. For that your router needs portforwarding rules.
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• 1675[12:00:49] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
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• 1686[12:05:43] <turlutton> Could you guys give me any directions? Do you miss some informations that I can provide ?
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• 1696[12:13:48] <dutchfish> turlutton, do you have backups?
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• 1708[12:17:37] <turlutton> dutchfish: a backup of the .img ? no, I just have the "shadow-" file.
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• 1711[12:18:07] <dutchfish> turlutton, i am sorry that wont do.
• 1712[12:18:47] <dutchfish> turlutton, thats the whole idea of the shadowfile after all ;)
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• 1714[12:19:11] <turlutton> dutchfish: I was hoping there cann be a solution to remove the blocks and replace them with the one of the "shadow-" file. I don't have much knowledge on how works ext4.
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• 1719[12:19:49] <dutchfish> turlutton, that worked once on ancient systems, but that was fixed ages ago.
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• 1726[12:22:19] <turlutton> dutchfish: okay, It was a fresh install, to learn virtualization and sysadmin, so it's not really a bad news. I was just hoping to learn some new recovering method. Thank you dutchfish
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• 1728[12:22:33] <dutchfish> turlutton, unless you have access to vast amounts of cpu cycles, you can pretty well forget to bruteforce the hashes.
• 1729[12:23:00] <dutchfish> turlutton, there are ways if you have full image copies.
• 1730[12:23:08] <themill> resetting the password should be possible
• 1731[12:23:18] <dutchfish> turlutton, specially when the passwords change frequently
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• 1734[12:24:06] <turlutton> dutchfish: well I don't.. :)
• 1735[12:24:06] <dutchfish> themill, when you have a shohadowfile only??
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• 1737[12:24:18] <dutchfish> shadowfile*
• 1738[12:24:44] <themill> you need to change the actual image not the shadow file outside the image...
• 1739[12:25:22] <dutchfish> themill, sure, hence i asked if he had any backups
• 1740[12:25:39] <themill> he has the image
• 1741[12:26:06] <turlutton> I have
• 1742[12:26:08] <dutchfish> themill, or that
• 1743[12:26:11] <aZz7eCh> dutchfish, nah all local mate
• 1744[12:26:40] <themill> If there were no image, there'd be nothing to do...
• 1745[12:26:49] <gdarko> is it this method safe to move files and preserve the timestamps
• 1746[12:26:51] <gdarko> replaced-url
• 1747[12:26:54] <themill> turlutton: when you said you tried to edit shadow, how did you do this?
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• 1749[12:27:31] <turlutton> themill: I followed the tutorial I linked earlier
• 1750[12:28:39] <turlutton> themill: I've understood it all, but I mounted the .img on /mnt and just editing with vim. But I think my virt machine was still running.
• 1751[12:28:58] <themill> ah, that wouldn't help
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• 1755[12:29:43] <turlutton> themill: then I've restarted my machine, and saw that I still couldn't log in. So I re did the tutorial, and I ended up seeing a 'input/ouput error' on my shadow file.
• 1756[12:30:02] <turlutton> I've NOT understood*
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• 1760[12:31:09] <themill> turlutton: when you boot the vm, does it boot through a grub bootloader stage?
• 1761[12:31:20] <turlutton> themill: yes
• 1762[12:31:26] <themill> !ifrp
• 1763[12:31:26] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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• 1765[12:31:47] <themill> you can do it within the VM rather than from the host
• 1766[12:33:06] <turlutton> themill: I was wondering how I was supposed to send 'init=/bin/sh' when there was asking for the password first. I gonna try with the 'e' command -_-
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• 1775[12:40:09] <dutchfish> aZz7eCh, the local ro pw revive doesnt neccesarely have to be done on the life system, a backup image will do to produce a working shadowfile.
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• 1777[12:41:15] <dutchfish> aZz7eCh, i dont fly without 2 safety nets, and yes, i cant stress enough to make backups
• 1778[12:41:25] <turlutton> kpartx -dv /path/to/image.img doesn't give any output, and lvscan is still showing the logical volume..
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• 1780[12:43:10] <turlutton> How do I know I have deleted device maps of my image ?
• 1781[12:44:28] <dutchfish> turlutton, pvdisplay vgdisplay lvdisplay are you friends
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• 1795[12:49:46] <turlutton> It seems I still have the map
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• 1800[12:53:01] <turlutton> Ha, it did work with a relative path..
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• 1809[12:58:42] <qdb> hello. i have just now made apt-get update, then ... upgrade, and it suggest me to install new linux image (3.16.0-4-58), passwd, login. can i check on some debian official site information about this updates?
• 1810[12:59:13] * themill subscribes qdb to d-s-a
• 1811[12:59:17] <themill> !dsa
• 1812[12:59:17] <dpkg> [dsa] Debian Security Announcement, see replaced-url
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• 1815[13:00:57] <qdb> i have already opened replaced-url
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• 1818[13:02:03] <qdb> here replaced-url
• 1819[13:02:10] <themill> ,binaries shadow
• 1820[13:02:11] <judd> Source shadow in jessie: Binaries: login, passwd, uidmap
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• 1822[13:03:18] <qdb> here replaced-url
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• 1824[13:03:41] <themill> what does "is similar" mean?
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• 1826[13:04:05] <themill> it similarly contains the information you need?
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• 1829[13:04:29] <qdb> themill: "did not see there all of them. there is not login and passwd. but there is shadow. there is linux but i cannot see linux version there"
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• 1833[13:05:26] <qdb> do you have found proof for the login and passwd packages?
• 1834[13:05:34] <themill> What judd said
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• 1837[13:06:26] <qdb> but when it says affected packages are only shadow in replaced-url
• 1838[13:06:35] <qdb> why it says
• 1839[13:06:53] <themill> because the source package is called shadow
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• 1843[13:07:43] <dutchfish> replaced-url
• 1844[13:07:56] <qdb> ok. must you add comma before you write "binaries" command here ?
• 1845[13:08:17] <themill> qdb: you can /msg judd
• 1846[13:08:31] <qdb> binaries shadow
• 1847[13:10:23] <dutchfish> qdb, CVE-2017-2616 is already fixed in SID
• 1848[13:10:54] <dutchfish> fyi
• 1849[13:10:58] <themill> not very relevant for a jessie user though
• 1850[13:11:11] <dutchfish> themill, nope, indeed
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• 1852[13:11:33] <dutchfish> themill, oops, that already went to jessie as well
• 1853[13:11:42] <dutchfish> themill, not stretch
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• 1855[13:12:07] <dutchfish> themill, replaced-url
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• 1863[13:16:17] <qdb> dutchfish: thank you, i see there list of binaries in left column, and i think it is more trustable source
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• 1865[13:16:57] <themill> qdb: you should be trusting your local apt...
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• 1867[13:17:56] <qdb> i do not trust my computer much , generally
• 1868[13:18:23] <themill> All tracker.d.o is showing you is the same information that apt is showing you -- what is on the mirror
• 1869[13:18:37] <qdb> btw i am sitting in windows an debian is in vbox
• 1870[13:18:38] <dutchfish> qdb, do as themill adviced, there is no absolute trust, check the hashes
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• 1872[13:18:49] <themill> which is what apt does
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• 1874[13:19:28] * dutchfish nods
• 1875[13:19:53] <qdb> but i would not trust generallt also if i worked in linux, because i cannot check binaries i download, neither sources , because they are big
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• 1878[13:20:57] <dutchfish> qdb, all sources is compressed tho. hence we will get signed kernels
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• 1880[13:21:11] <dutchfish> (soon)
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• 1882[13:21:18] <mcrt> qdb: you trust windows more than linux?
• 1883[13:21:38] <qdb> but that is other thing, it is trust to debian itself. but in first case, about login and passwd i was checking some third party hack
• 1884[13:21:49] <themill> but you'd trust your browser
• 1885[13:22:03] * dutchfish gigles
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• 1887[13:22:23] <qdb> i think hackers would be quite lazy to make fake security site
• 1888[13:22:45] <dutchfish> qdb, wrong, but feel free to join #d-o
• 1889[13:23:37] <qdb> dutchfish: it is empty channel
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• 1891[13:24:05] <SuperTramp83> debian offtopic, mate
• 1892[13:24:06] <themill> qdb: at the point where you're hypothesising that someone has come up with fake updates for login and passwd, got them into the repo, got the keys to sign the repo so that your apt trusts it, do you think they'd have trouble making a web page for you?
• 1893[13:24:06] <dutchfish> qdb, ok, sorry: freenode #debian-offtopic
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• 1895[13:28:08] <qdb> themill: "got them into the repo" - no, i think my windows an debian can be hacked and local keys can be swapped to other keys
• 1896[13:28:11] <Shadow_7> A lot of hackers are employers by state actors. There is no lazy when it comes to a paycheck
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• 1898[13:28:33] <Shadow_7> s/employers/employed/
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• 1901[13:29:50] <themill> qdb: but you'd trust your browser
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• 1904[13:30:33] <qdb> mcrt: i think linux itself is just a little more trustable than windows itself .
• 1905[13:30:49] <qdb> themill: browser also have local keys
• 1906[13:31:00] <BluesKaj> we get the drift , all this letter/word/correct word implies inability to understand typos ...think it's silly
• 1907[13:31:30] <qdb> mcrt: i mean a linux distro like debian
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• 1909[13:32:18] <SuperTramp83> qdb, definitely #debian-offtopic
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• 1912[13:33:19] <dutchfish> qdb, to my humble opinion, Debian can be the most secure system in the hands of a well skilled admin, the changes that an unskilled admin hoses it up are sometimes bigger. Read the Debian security guidelines and about hardening your systems.
• 1913[13:33:49] <qdb> mcrt: does anybody sitting and checking all or at least some part of binariy updates , directly, for malware? if so they also can check windows binaries. then their producers can be traced back ...
• 1914[13:34:03] * themill points towards #debian-offtopic
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• 1924[13:39:15] <Dreaman> !stretch
• 1925[13:39:15] <dpkg> The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: replaced-url
• 1926[13:39:50] <gdarko> when i do "mv *.doc Docs" it fails why?
• 1927[13:39:50] <gdarko> "mv: invalid option -- 'P'"
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• 1932[13:41:51] <themill> gdarko: do you have a filename that starts with a -
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• 1994[14:12:40] <snacksticks> hello, i get the following error when i try to login as a user: OOPS: priv_sock_get_cmd and from what i found adding seccomp_sandbox=NO to my config didnt help any.
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• 1996[14:12:48] <snacksticks> any help would be greatly appreciated
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• 2002[14:17:04] <dutchfish> snacksticks, what version of vsftpd are you running, the one form stable?
• 2003[14:17:28] <snacksticks> yes
• 2004[14:17:40] <snacksticks> vsftpd: version 3.0.2
• 2005[14:17:42] <dutchfish> ,versin vsftpd
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• 2007[14:17:48] <dutchfish> ,version vsftpd
• 2008[14:17:49] <judd> Package: vsftpd on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.3.5-3; jessie: 3.0.2-17+deb8u1; sid: 3.0.3-8+b1; stretch: 3.0.3-8+b1
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• 2010[14:18:09] <snacksticks> i see
• 2011[14:18:12] <snacksticks> i shall update
• 2012[14:18:18] <dutchfish> snacksticks, no, wait
• 2013[14:18:27] <snacksticks> ok
• 2014[14:18:38] <snacksticks> im on jessie
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• 2016[14:19:37] <dutchfish> snacksticks, there is no bpo (yet), try the easy backport route, if possible at all, with seccom_sandbox=NO in testing, it works kind off.
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• 2019[14:20:25] <dutchfish> snacksticks, for productin systems, i rather would not recommend this (yet)
• 2020[14:20:46] <snacksticks> is there anyway around this?
• 2021[14:20:50] <snacksticks> without backport
• 2022[14:21:24] <dutchfish> snacksticks, well, you could check its depencies, but i have not much hope that will work
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• 2024[14:21:50] <dutchfish> snacksticks, its a long standing issue
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• 2026[14:22:08] <snacksticks> :(
• 2027[14:22:19] <snacksticks> i guess i should ditch vsftpd then?
• 2028[14:22:38] <dutchfish> snacksticks, the Google seccomp is no longer supported either
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• 2030[14:23:34] <dutchfish> snacksticks, nothing wrong with vsftpd, as far as you consider ftp a good proto
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• 2032[14:24:11] <dutchfish> snacksticks, but it fails on this extension
• 2033[14:24:19] <snacksticks> true
• 2034[14:24:27] <snacksticks> ive never had this issue until i moved to vms
• 2035[14:24:50] <dutchfish> snacksticks, this problem pops up everywhere, you are not alone on this
• 2036[14:25:16] <dutchfish> snacksticks, i would say drop the extension
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• 2039[14:25:39] <snacksticks> what would you suggest as an alterantive?
• 2040[14:25:45] <snacksticks> pro?
• 2041[14:25:45] <dutchfish> snacksticks, or consider another proto
• 2042[14:25:50] <snacksticks> proftpd
• 2043[14:26:08] <dutchfish> snacksticks, no, i ment drop ftp
• 2044[14:26:38] <dutchfish> snacksticks, consider http/https
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• 2047[14:27:18] <dutchfish> snacksticks, or one of the ssh extensions (less performance)
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• 2050[14:27:39] <snacksticks> i may consider that. thank you.
• 2051[14:27:45] <dutchfish> snacksticks, yw
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• 2054[14:32:22] <JyZyXEL> umount: /media/backup: target is busy
• 2055[14:32:30] <JyZyXEL> how do i figure out what is preventing me from unmounting?
• 2056[14:33:18] <schu-r> lsof |grep /media/backup
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• 2058[14:33:32] <JyZyXEL> returns nothing
• 2059[14:33:55] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, are still CWD into it?
• 2060[14:33:59] <JyZyXEL> no
• 2061[14:34:29] <JyZyXEL> if i was, lsof wouldn't return nothing?
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• 2063[14:35:06] <joze> sof -n +c0 | awk '/DEL.+\.so/{ print $1 }' | sort -u
• 2064[14:35:15] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, try as root `sync && sync`, then check again
• 2065[14:35:23] <joze> this will return too mande DEL lines in stretch
• 2066[14:35:44] <joze> lsof -n +c0 | awk '/DEL.+\.so/{ print $1 }' | sort -u
• 2067[14:35:49] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: didn't help and the filesystem is mounted read-only
• 2068[14:35:56] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, it could be dirty cache buffers on some FS's
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• 2070[14:36:13] <JyZyXEL> buffers couldn't be flushed because its read-only?
• 2071[14:36:17] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, ah ok, if ro then forget what i said
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• 2074[14:36:41] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, or that, if the dirty bit was build before going ro, then yes
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• 2076[14:36:59] <JyZyXEL> i did a clean unmount and mounted read-only
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• 2080[14:37:24] <JyZyXEL> i copied some files with rsync and now i want to unmount it
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• 2082[14:37:36] <JyZyXEL> i don't understand why it has to be so hard though :/
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• 2084[14:37:53] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, what fs is this?
• 2085[14:37:57] <JyZyXEL> ext4
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• 2088[14:38:29] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, if the journal has commits, it will become stale in ro, thats hard to trace
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• 2093[14:39:08] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, or remount it writable, its prolly journal only, because lsof didnt catch anything
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• 2096[14:39:37] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, but this could be a bug, not sure
• 2097[14:39:44] <JyZyXEL> ah, so i could try: mount -o remount=ro /media/backup
• 2098[14:39:51] <JyZyXEL> i mean =rw
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• 2100[14:40:13] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, yes and after that the puny sync, then umount
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• 2102[14:40:35] <dutchfish> Yugidude1, so the journal will be written out
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• 2105[14:40:42] <dutchfish> oops
• 2106[14:41:13] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, this also can happen when your /var/log is on that ro mounted partition
• 2107[14:41:44] <dutchfish> that produces a deadlock
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• 2110[14:43:06] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: well, it remounted rw but i cannot unmount it still after syncs
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• 2113[14:43:55] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, what does lsof come up with, now?
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• 2117[14:44:42] <JyZyXEL> nothing
• 2118[14:44:50] <dutchfish> weird
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• 2120[14:45:29] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, does syslog give any clues?
• 2121[14:46:28] <JyZyXEL> no, nothing out of ordinary
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• 2130[14:47:51] <NoCode> I'm getting an error with my locales. I can't reconfigure, or set it. replaced-url
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• 2136[14:50:06] <JyZyXEL> what can i do?
• 2137[14:50:22] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, is this a production machine?
• 2138[14:50:48] <JyZyXEL> no
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• 2140[14:50:59] <JyZyXEL> im thinking about lazy unmounting
• 2141[14:51:14] <JyZyXEL> that might allow to close luks and deactivate lvm
• 2142[14:51:25] <JyZyXEL> and then pull the disk out
• 2143[14:51:47] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, otherwise you caould force to umount, like umount -f /[mountpoint] | be aware that you could loose the unwritten data, but lsof disagrees o this, so i think that would be pretty safe.
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• 2148[14:52:32] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, its encrypted with luks?
• 2149[14:52:42] <JyZyXEL> yes
• 2150[14:52:53] <JyZyXEL> unmount -f doesn't help, but -fl might
• 2151[14:52:57] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, that explains it.
• 2152[14:53:05] <JyZyXEL> how come?
• 2153[14:53:07] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, yes
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• 2155[14:53:38] <JyZyXEL> luks is below ext4, so it shouldn't block the filesystem from unmounting
• 2156[14:53:45] <Shadow_7> I situations like that it might be better to reboot
• 2157[14:53:45] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, i am not expirienced with luks, but it keeps track of access which it wants to write out
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• 2159[14:54:43] <JyZyXEL> well it would have done so when i did sync
• 2160[14:54:47] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, do you have a separate boot partition?
• 2161[14:54:52] <JyZyXEL> yes
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• 2163[14:54:57] <dutchfish> Hydroxide, no, sync wont work o ro
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• 2165[14:55:05] <dutchfish> on ro *
• 2166[14:55:09] <JyZyXEL> luks wasn't ro at any point
• 2167[14:55:18] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, ah ok
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• 2169[14:56:09] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, then go for the lazy unmount, i think thats the only viable left.
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• 2171[14:56:48] <Shadow_7> NoCode: seems like dialog had an issue. Requires a terminal of at least 13 rows? Or was it 19.
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• 2173[14:57:15] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, or ask others about luks
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• 2175[14:57:33] <tarball> hello, can you tell me how likely it is that programs that were used in ubuntu can be found in debian? or, rather, can just as easily operate on debian?
• 2176[14:58:09] <NoCode> Shadow_7, I'm SSH'd into my VPS. Would that still matter? :S
• 2177[14:58:25] <Shadow_7> tarball: they should all be there, but older versions perhaps.
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• 2179[14:58:41] <tarball> Shadow_7 that is not too uncommon with ubuntu, either
• 2180[14:58:50] <Shadow_7> NoCode: no idea. $ echo $COLUMNS x $LINES
• 2181[14:58:59] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: yeah lazy unmount allowed me to unmount, close luks and deactivate lvm
• 2182[14:59:16] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, ok, you are good now?
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• 2184[15:00:01] <JyZyXEL> yeah, should be all good now :P
• 2185[15:00:03] <tarball> but I guess debian should be able to work with current versions of them, if installed from their download page?
• 2186[15:00:13] <JyZyXEL> though this shouldn't have happened in the first place..
• 2187[15:00:54] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, i dont know for sure, ask the luks guys.
• 2188[15:01:01] <Shadow_7> tarball: depends on their dependencies. And if you're using the package manager.
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• 2191[15:02:39] <tarball> Shadow_7, but you confirm that those in ubuntu repos should be present in debian repos, too, right?
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• 2195[15:03:11] <Shadow_7> tarball: most should be. Although ubuntu has some of their own ubuntu only bits.
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• 2197[15:03:35] <Shadow_7> tarball: like upstart instead of systemd / sysv in days of old. And working towards mir, not wayland and such.
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• 2206[15:05:55] <Shadow_7> tarball: and not their repos. Just the same packages.
• 2207[15:06:19] <Shadow_7> tarball: or at least package naming conventions
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• 2210[15:07:49] <tarball> Shadow_7, ah, I see. many thanks!
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• 2226[15:14:08] <joescript> hello
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• 2240[15:19:13] <joescript> any had issue with hmdi external display
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• 2264[15:27:11] <Shadow_7> joescript: define problem? I've had issues with HDMI cables.
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• 2280[15:36:51] <verumnost> can someone tell me how can I setup a telnet server with a username and a password ?
• 2281[15:36:53] <verumnost> I've installed telnetd and it's fine but it uses my O/S credentials and there is nowhere documentation about /etc/inetd.conf
• 2282[15:37:51] <loeken> telnet in 2017?
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• 2284[15:37:52] <loeken> :/
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• 2287[15:39:16] <verumnost> loeken: that's what the 90% of the IoT devices have in 2017 and open
• 2288[15:39:20] <verumnost> haha
• 2289[15:39:31] <verumnost> just looking for a way to work on a script
• 2290[15:39:33] <verumnost> for pentestig
• 2291[15:39:36] <verumnost> pentesting *
• 2292[15:39:47] <missmbob> kali?
• 2293[15:40:43] <verumnost> hmm maybe
• 2294[15:40:48] <missmbob> !kali
• 2295[15:40:48] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 2296[15:41:00] <missmbob> verumnost: please go ask them
• 2297[15:41:04] <loeken> you cna just nc to create a listen on a port
• 2298[15:41:08] <loeken> *can
• 2299[15:41:51] <verumnost> yes you can with nc -l 23 but you can't setup a username/pass
• 2300[15:43:05] <bezaban> verumnost: pam
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• 2302[15:43:46] <verumnost> bezaban: what is that ?
• 2303[15:44:03] <bezaban> verumnost: the way to change telnet auth to non-system accounts
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• 2326[15:58:48] <bzzz> Hello. someone recommend me Linux mail server? I want to install on my home server
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• 2328[16:00:06] <tw> exim4 is installed by default.
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• 2330[16:01:26] <missmbob> bzzz: just google debian email server and there'll be a bunch. include exim4 if that's what you want, or postfix (that's what i like), etc
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• 2334[16:03:23] <missmbob> bzzz: example replaced-url
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• 2336[16:03:58] <missmbob> bzzz: that has postfix, exim, zimbra, all sorts. use that guide
• 2337[16:04:44] <bzzz> tnx for help missmbob :)
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• 2343[16:06:13] <bzzz> ok tnx baum
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• 2370[16:14:45] <JyZyXEL> what command showed the o= for a debian package?
• 2371[16:15:37] <Putti> JyZyXEL, what is o= ?
• 2372[16:15:40] <JyZyXEL> origin
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• 2382[16:20:04] <hiya> is Debian 9 out?
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• 2385[16:21:25] <missmbob> no
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• 2389[16:22:24] <BluesKaj> hiya, it's still testing phase , but here it's very stable on my setup
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• 2393[16:24:25] <hiya> BluesKaj, ok then. When do you think it would be released?
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• 2402[16:25:26] <BluesKaj> hiya, dunno for sure but I saw an articlle saying soon which of course is subject to all kinds of guesses
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• 2405[16:29:18] <hiya> BluesKaj, I am waiting for it :D
• 2406[16:29:22] <hiya> it has all the new software
• 2407[16:29:24] <Putti> JyZyXEL, apt-cache policy <package>
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• 2422[16:33:22] <Alex___> Всем привет, есть вопросик! В htop в строчке Uptime: 239 days стоит ! в конце, что это значит?
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• 2424[16:34:13] <zykotick9> !ru
• 2425[16:34:13] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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• 2428[16:36:36] <JyZyXEL> Putti: the o= for firefox is: "o=Debian Mozilla Team", yet 'apt-cache policy firefox' does not show that
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• 2432[16:37:44] <Putti> JyZyXEL, try firefox-esr
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• 2436[16:38:34] <JyZyXEL> it doesn't say the origin for that either
• 2437[16:39:19] <Putti> JyZyXEL, but "apt-cache show firefox" give you some information?
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• 2439[16:39:40] <JyZyXEL> yes, just not the origin
• 2440[16:39:45] <Putti> interesting
• 2441[16:40:09] <Putti> I'm using testing so maybe there is something different with jessie
• 2442[16:40:25] <JyZyXEL> yeah, it doesn't work on jessie
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• 2444[16:40:39] <JyZyXEL> there has to be some alternate way
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• 2447[16:41:33] <JyZyXEL> 'apt-cache policy' gives the origins
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• 2451[16:43:05] <Putti> JyZyXEL, if you know what all the different numbers mean and how pinning works you can deduct the info from that
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• 2454[16:43:30] <JyZyXEL> 'apt-cache policy | grep o=' was enough information
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• 2457[16:43:49] <JyZyXEL> i just wanted to add the TorProject repository into 50unattended-upgrades
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• 2459[16:43:58] <Putti> JyZyXEL, ok, good to know :)
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• 2494[16:58:28] <qdb> hello . what is this ? what happened after linux update and grub reconfiguration? replaced-url
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• 2530[17:12:28] <ws2k3> will debian 9 still have sysvinit + systemd?
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• 2533[17:15:04] <han-solo> it will certainly have systemd, i hope :}
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• 2569[17:39:42] <turlutton> themill: FYI (after family dinner) I did work my problem out. With grub init=/bin/bash trick, but there was no shadow file, I just "cp shadow- shadow" and then I was able to change the password, thanks a lot!
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• 2627[18:07:12] <lhx> does debian 8 still have sysvinit at all?
• 2628[18:07:23] <lhx> I thought it was all systemd
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• 2630[18:07:53] <missmbob> systemd is default. you can switch
• 2631[18:08:40] <lhx> ahhh
• 2632[18:08:50] <lhx> thought that was why all the devuan people fled
• 2633[18:09:03] <lhx> (I'm fine with systemd... I've accepted poettering as my init system overlord)
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• 2641[18:12:51] <petn-randall> lhx: You'll have to ask them them for their rationale.
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• 2697[18:35:34] <CuSn> does debian have a desktop search tool? (file indexing for fast lookup of text in files)
• 2698[18:35:45] <CuSn> like google desktop used to do.
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• 2700[18:37:20] <CuSn> nvm --> replaced-url
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• 2757[19:02:35] <Zambezi> In I use § to check my emails. In mutt.rc it's the sign "code" is \xc2\xa7. How can I find which code a media button on my keyboard got? It's made for shortcuts for macros.
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• 2764[19:05:28] <missmbob> i dont use mutt but are you just looking for keysym?
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• 2767[19:05:59] <missmbob> xev will give you that
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• 2769[19:06:49] <lhx> Zambezi: 'man showkey'
• 2770[19:07:20] <lhx> Zambezi: or like missmbob said, 'man xev'
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• 2779[19:10:59] <userro> Hi. I'm confused after reading this: "Add debian testing repo to your apt sources by creating a file on /etc/apt/sources.list.d folder containing the line deb replaced-url
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• 2781[19:11:25] <missmbob> userro: doesnt matter. all files in that dir get read
• 2782[19:11:39] <userro> oh thank you
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• 2784[19:11:47] <missmbob> userro: also you should use codenames, like stretch, not testing
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• 2786[19:12:28] <userro> ok
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• 2788[19:12:54] <High> I just setup squid3 caching proxy on my system: replaced-url
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• 2790[19:13:07] <High> Any advices on how to make it little bit faster?
• 2791[19:13:16] <userro> I'm following these instructions. replaced-url
• 2792[19:14:00] <missmbob> userro: dont follow that. just upgrade to stretch
• 2793[19:14:29] <missmbob> userro: that was written when stretch wasnt very stable. now it's frozen and best to just do it instead of fooling around with pinning and such
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• 2795[19:14:47] <High> next one is stretch?
• 2796[19:14:54] <missmbob> yes
• 2797[19:14:56] <High> it's frozen now?
• 2798[19:14:59] <High> but not yet released?
• 2799[19:14:59] <missmbob> yes
• 2800[19:15:04] <High> ok
• 2801[19:15:39] <High> I am on jessie right now, it's advisable to upgrade yet?
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• 2804[19:16:19] <missmbob> up to you. it's pretty stable. nothing wrong with waiting for release though
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• 2861[19:41:53] <userro> " Ignoring file 'gcc.txt' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension" what will be the correct file extension?
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• 2864[19:42:32] <missmbob> userro: so you're doing the dumb pinning thing? .list
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• 2867[19:42:50] <userro> I can't update to stretch now this is the only way :3
• 2868[19:43:18] <userro> oh
• 2869[19:43:24] <userro> thank you
• 2870[19:43:29] <missmbob> userro: you need to remember to remove the pinning when you upgrade.
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• 2872[19:44:09] <userro> ok
• 2873[19:44:09] <missmbob> how you'll remember i have no idea
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• 2876[19:46:02] <userro> I'll delete them after I update gcc
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• 2879[19:47:47] <userro> woah testing has 6.3 version
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• 2893[19:56:24] <ideanet> Kalhspera paidia, kapios ellhnas uparxei??
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• 2896[19:57:52] <userro> well. It didn't work. 😥
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• 2898[19:58:42] <ideanet> help me plz..
• 2899[19:59:29] <ideanet> after upgrade and dist-upgrade on kali linux, do not work root permission..
• 2900[19:59:38] <missmbob> !kali
• 2901[19:59:39] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 2902[19:59:43] <missmbob> ideanet: go ask them ^
• 2903[20:00:17] <ideanet> ok thank you :)
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• 2907[20:01:22] <userro> "following packages have unmet dependencies:
• 2908[20:01:23] <userro> build-essential : Depends: gcc (>= 4:4.9.1) but it is not going to be installed
• 2909[20:01:23] <userro> g++ : Depends: gcc (>= 4:4.9.2-2) but it is not going to be installed
• 2910[20:01:23] <userro> libc-dev-bin : Depends: libc6 (> 2.24) but 2.19-18+deb8u7 is to be installed
• 2911[20:01:23] <userro> libc6-dev : Depends: libc6 (= 2.24-9) but 2.19-18+deb8u7 is to be installed
• 2912[20:01:23] *** userro was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
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• 2914[20:01:49] <userro> o.o
• 2915[20:01:59] <baum> userro: use a pastebin
• 2916[20:02:13] <userro> ok sorry
• 2917[20:02:18] <missmbob> userro: you broke the frankendebian rule
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• 2919[20:02:31] <missmbob> userro: pretty sure you're going to be on your own
• 2920[20:02:36] <missmbob> userro: replaced-url
• 2921[20:02:50] <missmbob> !frankendebian
• 2922[20:02:50] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
• 2923[20:03:19] <rue_shop3> in gnome, there is a setting under control panel, brightness and lock, "turn screen off when inactive for" but there is no never option, does anyone know how to disable it?
• 2924[20:03:21] <userro> ;-;
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• 2927[20:04:24] <userro> it really messed up
• 2928[20:04:37] <userro> I can't do anything now
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• 2930[20:04:42] <TomTomTo1> !bat
• 2931[20:04:43] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 2939[20:08:40] <petn-randall> rue_shop3: IIRC if you set it to 0, it's the same as off.
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• 2953[20:16:53] <myself33> names
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• 2956[20:17:54] <tofutoon> In System Settings -> Multimedia, alsa is working but pulse is not when I hit the Test button. How can I get it working?
• 2957[20:17:57] <tofutoon> Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller
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• 2959[20:18:40] <tofutoon> Debian version 8.7
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• 2962[20:19:02] <petn-randall> tofutoon: on which DE?
• 2963[20:19:08] <tofutoon> KDE
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• 2965[20:19:26] <tofutoon> I have Gnome and XFCE installed as well. Should I test there?
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• 2967[20:19:51] <tofutoon> XFCE doesn't have pulse installed by default though.
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• 2971[20:21:37] <petn-randall> tofutoon: pulseaudio only works if your sound card isn't already blocked by another process. This is because many ALSA drivers (or the hardware itself) only support a single stream.
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• 2979[20:23:56] <tofutoon> petn-randall: On Ubuntu 14.04LTS, this soundcard worked flawlessly with multiple programs sending output. If I played videos in two different browsers, I would hear both.
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• 2981[20:24:35] <petn-randall> tofutoon: That's because it uses pulseaudio by default.
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• 2985[20:25:38] <tofutoon> petn-randall: That's good to know. Is there any way to configure things similarly on Debian?
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• 2987[20:25:52] <tofutoon> I'm happy to uninstall alsa.
• 2988[20:26:04] <petn-randall> tofutoon: pulseaudio builds upon ALSA.
• 2989[20:26:18] <petn-randall> tofutoon: It's usually enough to install pulseaudio and reboot.
• 2990[20:26:56] <tofutoon> That simple? apt-get install pulseaudio and reboot?
• 2991[20:27:16] <tofutoon> I'll give that a shot.
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• 3004[20:32:05] <userro> I think I enable testing repo for for all packages, everything will be on latest version, right?
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• 3007[20:32:35] <userro> then there will be no dependency problems
• 3008[20:32:38] <missmbob> userro: yes. full upgrade to stretch is probably your best bet
• 3009[20:33:09] <missmbob> assuming you can
• 3010[20:33:28] <baum> uhm, what happens with the packegs deprecated in stretch?
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• 3013[20:35:13] <petn-randall> baum: which one do you mean specifically?
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• 3017[20:36:11] <userro> missmbob, now do you have 6.3 version of gcc?
• 3018[20:36:21] <userro> in stretch
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• 3020[20:36:25] <missmbob> yes
• 3021[20:36:33] <userro> ok
• 3022[20:36:53] <nkuttler> userro: you probably want stretch, not testing in your sources
• 3023[20:37:00] <userro> so I shouldn't have problems with installing it then :)
• 3024[20:37:12] <baum> petn-randall: e.g. libgstreamer0.10-0 (assume it's installed and one upgrades to stretch)
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• 3027[20:37:28] <userro> ok
• 3028[20:37:30] <tofutoon> petn-randall: After installing pulseaudio (0 packages installed) and rebooting, alsa and pulseaudio disappeared from the option list. The audio playback options are 'Built in Audio Analog Services' (greyed out) and Built-in Audio Digital Stereo (HDMI) (doesn't work). Any idea what's happening here?
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• 3030[20:38:08] <userro> how do I install stretch packages?
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• 3032[20:38:27] <missmbob> did you remove your pinning?
• 3033[20:38:36] <userro> no
• 3034[20:38:41] <missmbob> do it
• 3035[20:38:45] <userro> ok
• 3036[20:39:01] <TomTomTo1> baum: it stays around if it has been manually installed and there is no upgrade candidate and if it doesn't conflict, or gets removed during dist-upgrade.
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• 3038[20:39:11] <missmbob> userro: after that do this:
• 3039[20:39:14] <missmbob> !jessie->stretch
• 3040[20:39:34] <missmbob> c'mon dpkg
• 3041[20:40:05] <missmbob> !jessie->stretch
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• 3043[20:40:13] <missmbob> goddamnit
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• 3045[20:40:21] <userro> should I put in a file like before?
• 3046[20:40:22] <baum> TomTomTo1: in this case libgstreamer1 wouldn't qualify as an update right?
• 3047[20:40:58] <missmbob> userro: delete the file. edit /etc/apt/sources.list replace jessie with stretch. then update and dist-upgrade
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• 3049[20:41:13] <userro> ah got it
• 3050[20:41:32] <TomTomTo1> baum: it's a different package, so no. but it's unlikely that libgstreamer0.10 is marked as manually installed on your system.
• 3051[20:41:33] <Shadow_7> What if it has stable instead of jessie?
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• 3053[20:42:20] <nkuttler> Shadow_7: at some point it can become a mess unless you pay attention
• 3054[20:42:21] <missmbob> debian installer doesnt user stable. it uses codenames
• 3055[20:42:24] <baum> TomTomTo1: yes, just asked to make sure i got things right - thanks
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• 3060[20:46:06] <nyexpress> hello! Is there a way to download a binary from the apt repos?
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• 3062[20:46:21] <missmbob> nyexpress: apt-get download foo
• 3063[20:46:45] <nyexpress> oh wow! awesome, thanks! Is it safe to share this publically?
• 3064[20:46:50] <nyexpress> the downloaded binary?
• 3065[20:47:00] <missmbob> sure
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• 3067[20:47:14] <userro> I thought updating to stretch means reinstalling the whole os lop
• 3068[20:47:31] <userro> lol*
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• 3070[20:47:42] <missmbob> userro: no. i wouldnt have told you to do that, silly
• 3071[20:48:08] <userro> heh
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• 3073[20:49:25] <n4dir> Shadow_7: if it has stable in the sources list, and the new stable will get released, you will upgrade to the next stable. If you have jessie you need to change the sources.list, so you know you *do want to upgrade
• 3074[20:49:56] <userro> I'm getting those errors when I'm doing 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
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• 3076[20:50:18] <n4dir> though: i would assume anyone should be able to recognize if suddenly hell breaks loose when running apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade. Still: better safe than sorry
• 3077[20:50:24] <missmbob> userro: you did update, right? if so, pastebin apt-get -f install
• 3078[20:50:35] <userro> yes
• 3079[20:50:55] <userro> ok
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• 3081[20:51:30] <userro> wow
• 3082[20:51:47] <userro> It worked
• 3083[20:51:58] <userro> thank you so much
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• 3086[20:54:27] <thadtheman> I'm confused by something. How can I get the latest gcc ( 6.3 ) and install in jessie?\
• 3087[20:54:40] <userro> no it didn't :(
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• 3089[20:55:10] <userro> I'll pastebin the error, 1 min
• 3090[20:55:40] <jrtc27> ,v gcc-6
• 3091[20:55:41] <judd> Package: gcc-6 on amd64 -- stretch: 6.3.0-6; sid: 6.3.0-8
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• 3093[20:56:01] <jrtc27> thadtheman: not in jessie or jessie-backports, so you'd need to backport it
• 3094[20:56:05] <jrtc27> ,checkbackport gcc-6
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• 3096[20:56:13] <judd> Backporting package gcc-6 in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: binutils:native (>= 2.27.90.20170221) | binutils-multiarch:native (>= 2.27.90.20170221), binutils-hppa64-linux-gnu:native (>= 2.27.90.20170221) [hppa amd64 i386 x32], gnat-6:native [!m32r !sh3 !sh3eb !sh4eb !powerpcspe !m68k !mips64 !x32], g++-6:native, libisl-dev (>= 0.14), g++-6-x86-64-linux-gnu
• 3097[20:56:14] <judd> [amd64] <cross>, gobjc-6-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gfortran-6-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gcj-6-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gdc-6-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gccgo-6-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gnat-6-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>.
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• 3099[20:56:42] <missmbob> thadtheman: you cant
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• 3102[20:57:57] <thadtheman> missmbob: So I would have to compile it? How do I find out what else I would have to compile to make it work ( libstdc++? boost? )
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• 3105[20:58:41] <missmbob> thadtheman: everything judd just spat out
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• 3107[20:59:01] <missmbob> thadtheman: if you need it, seriously, upgrade to stretch
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• 3109[20:59:36] <userro> missmbob: replaced-url
• 3110[21:00:26] <missmbob> userro: what the hell? this is raspbian?
• 3111[21:01:09] <userro> no
• 3112[21:01:20] <missmbob> armhf?
• 3113[21:01:20] <userro> phone
• 3114[21:01:23] <Shadow_7> debian armel for life. Or not, what I ran on my pi B initially. Raspbian had too many annoyances.
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• 3117[21:01:48] <missmbob> userro: sigh. i'm not sure how to help you then. hopefully someone else will
• 3118[21:01:53] <Shadow_7> armhf is v7, the early pi's are v6
• 3119[21:02:04] <userro> what should I do?
• 3120[21:02:46] <missmbob> *shrug* wait and see if someone comes by. or reinstall. i dont know. i cant give advice on this one
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• 3122[21:03:07] <userro> that error doesn't occur in other architectures?
• 3123[21:04:06] <missmbob> userro: libc6 is so critical i wouldnt know how to help it's failure in any arch.
• 3124[21:04:09] <Shadow_7> userro: you might try the armel version(s)
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• 3126[21:04:32] <thadtheman> missmbob: The problem is that I always need the latest version, and the latest version of debian is always going to lag if I depend on backports. So I really need to build my own. But what exactly do I need to build? I don't see libstdc++ and glibc in what judd prints out, so where do I find them?
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• 3128[21:05:00] <Shadow_7> thadtheman: gcc.gnu.org ?
• 3129[21:05:13] <missmbob> yeah. dont use debian's. ^
• 3130[21:05:50] <Shadow_7> or virtualize the environment you need under debian
• 3131[21:06:42] <Shadow_7> iirc, gcc has snapshots so you don't have to compile it. and you can do CC CXX type environment vars to use said things in non-standard locations.
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• 3134[21:07:13] <n4dir> userro: in general the problem is beyond me too. I seem to recall that using aptitude instead of apt-get sometimes offers "solutions" for complex problems.
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• 3136[21:07:39] <userro> ok
• 3137[21:07:41] <n4dir> as i don't know anything detailed this is something like: instead of reinstalling, you might try that.
• 3138[21:07:43] <missmbob> for libc6 i doubt it
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• 3141[21:08:04] <TomTomTo1> except that this is not a dependency problem.
• 3142[21:08:15] <Shadow_7> most of what aptitude provides is simple names. kde versus kde3. But apt-cache search --names-only *kde* ... lets you know what you need to apt-get when the name is not intuitive
• 3143[21:08:24] <n4dir> missmbob: like said, it is above me. Before i would reinstall, i would just hammer at it. If i wouldn't want to reinstall, i would wait for better advice
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• 3148[21:12:32] <userro> I've reinstalled it and now upgrading
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• 3150[21:12:45] <userro> it should probably work now
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• 3159[21:14:21] <userro> I'm trying on another phone
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• 3161[21:17:07] <baum> userro: which phone are you setting up?
• 3162[21:17:39] <userro> it is old motorola phone
• 3163[21:18:02] <Shadow_7> 68000 old?
• 3164[21:18:33] <userro> let me see
• 3165[21:20:12] <userro> it says bp6x
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• 3167[21:21:38] <baum> nice
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• 3170[21:22:47] <userro> I want to host something on it
• 3171[21:23:23] <userro> no one uses it so I thought why not use it as a server :D
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• 3180[21:30:01] <missmbob> userro: how much ram is being split between the two OS's?
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• 3185[21:30:31] <userro> it's an app
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• 3187[21:30:43] <userro> it is gnuroot debian
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• 3190[21:32:01] <missmbob> i could never root my phone :( i use android pay way too much
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• 3192[21:33:35] <userro> it doesn't require root. It's name is misleading. It will work without root
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• 3194[21:33:42] <missmbob> oh, cool
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• 3203[21:37:11] <x42> Hi there - i have troubles bringing up my new on board intel lan: replaced-url
• 3204[21:37:46] <x42> I already make installed the intel e1000e driver - but the interface still failes to come up.
• 3205[21:37:56] <x42> any suggestions=
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• 3209[21:40:02] <petn-randall> x42: You shouldn't need to build the drivers by hand. Check /var/log/kern.log, maybe you are missing firmware.
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• 3227[21:46:26] <x42> I don't find any problems in kernel.log about the network. Only this firmware bug - which does not seem to be related: replaced-url
• 3228[21:47:15] <petn-randall> x42: In this case, what problem do you see with the stock driver?
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• 3230[21:48:01] <x42> If i try to ifup eth0 i get the message "Cannot find device eth0"
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• 3233[21:48:25] <x42> even thought lspci -k shows the correct driver
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• 3236[21:49:47] <missmbob> could it be it's just not called eth0?
• 3237[21:49:53] <x42> this is strange: replaced-url
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• 3239[21:50:06] <x42> udevd renames it to eth2
• 3240[21:50:09] <missmbob> i have several servers with e1000e with no problem
• 3241[21:50:33] <x42> currently i'm using a usb <-> ethernet adapter as eth1
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• 3251[21:53:02] <x42> should i try to reinstall the kernel module?
• 3252[21:53:32] <missmbob> *shrug* i've just used stock
• 3253[21:53:53] <x42> you mean you compiled the intel driver?
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• 3255[21:54:05] <x42> from intel?
• 3256[21:54:15] <missmbob> no
• 3257[21:54:23] <missmbob> debian's kernel
• 3258[21:54:35] <x42> > 3.5?
• 3259[21:55:11] <missmbob> 3.16
• 3260[21:55:16] <x42> ok
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• 3271[22:01:58] <tofutoon1> I'm getting the error 'E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https// could not be found.' Installing 'apt-transport-https' does not resolve the problem.
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• 3275[22:02:43] <tofutoon1> I'm getting this error when running 'apt-get update'.
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• 3285[22:07:31] <Shadow_7> tofutoon1: perhaps missing a : in the sources.list? https// vs. replaced-url
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• 3289[22:10:27] <tofutoon1> Shadow_7: Brilliant. One of the repos was https//:deb...
• 3290[22:10:48] <petn-randall> x42: Your problem is not a driver issue. For 'ifup eth0' to work you need to have an interface defined as such in /etc/network/interfaces.
• 3291[22:11:04] <tofutoon1> Shadow_7: Thanks
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• 3295[22:12:06] <x42> petn-randall: replaced-url
• 3296[22:12:09] <x42> it is defined
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• 3307[22:19:35] <jhutchins> GO UTEXAS! Full DVD ISO in two minutes!
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• 3312[22:21:50] <jhutchins> It'll take longer than that to burn it.
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• 3315[22:24:08] <missmbob> jhutchins: wrong channel? :P
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• 3317[22:25:33] <phogg> jhutchins: that's a fat pipe
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• 3319[22:26:01] <jhutchins> Yeah, I'm used to much slower downloads for OS ISOs.
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• 3325[22:28:04] <jhutchins> missmbob: Picking a mirror is such a crapshoot, especially for isos.
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• 3327[22:28:52] <missmbob> jhutchins: oh. i actually thought you were talking about some stupid college sporting event
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• 3330[22:29:59] <jhutchins> Nope. Debian installer download. Preparing for my first modern UEFI install. Going well so far.
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• 3353[22:42:49] <John__> anyone here a driver specialist? more on the hardware side of things, rather than os internals. datasheets, device-controllers and microcode.
• 3354[22:43:07] <John__> I know it's the wrong place so I'd appreciate if someone actually tells me what #channel to head to
• 3355[22:43:17] <jhutchins> John__: What's your actual question?
• 3356[22:43:18] <John__> because I've searched quite well on freenode and couldn't find much.
• 3357[22:44:04] <John__> jhutchins, it's related to the device controller on certain devices and binary firmware. if a device only accepts microcode, how exactly can one write a driver for such a device/hardware?
• 3358[22:44:29] <John__> the datasheet isn't exactly published by the manufacturer
• 3359[22:44:35] <John__> so I more or less have a black box system.
• 3360[22:45:03] <petn-randall> x42: If your interface is called eth2, you have to adjust that config file accordingly.
• 3361[22:45:37] <jhutchins> John__: It's usually possible to pull the firmware out of the Windows drivers and write a driver that will load and use that.
• 3362[22:45:40] <jhutchins> !firmware
• 3363[22:45:40] <dpkg> Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. replaced-url
• 3364[22:46:13] <John__> jhutchins, yes, and I've seen that being done in a particular project by someone, but isn't there anymore I could do apart from that?
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• 3366[22:46:23] <John__> I mean, loading it sounds great, but that's as far as your flexibility goes.
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• 3372[22:49:05] <John__> jhutchins, while the goal is indeed to write a driver, alongside this I'd like to actually understand and manipulate the device.
• 3373[22:49:27] <mcrt> John__: reverse engineer the binary, write a new firmware/driver (not too easy though)
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• 3375[22:49:56] <petn-randall> John__: Then you'll have to reverse engineer either the windows driver, or explore the HW from scratch. Not really a project to get your feet wet with when developing drivers for the first time.
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• 3378[22:50:56] <John__> I see, so there's no other way.
• 3379[22:51:59] <John__> alright, thanks.
• 3380[22:52:02] <jhutchins> John__: I take it that somewhere behind the philosophizing is the desire to get a working driver for some particular hardware.
• 3381[22:52:29] <John__> jhutchins, of course. I have a laptop that I'd like to write drivers for
• 3382[22:52:40] <John__> to learn driver development on the way
• 3383[22:52:43] <John__> problem is
• 3384[22:53:02] <John__> there's no datasheets provided for my machine's devices by the manufacturers
• 3385[22:53:04] <John__> and
• 3386[22:53:19] <John__> I actually thought of reading the linux drivers that DO work on this machine
• 3387[22:53:22] <John__> but there's no source code
• 3388[22:53:25] <John__> there's just binary firmware.
• 3389[22:53:29] <John__> and that... let me trumped.
• 3390[22:53:50] <John__> the device I want to write a driver for is my NIC by the way.
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• 3392[22:53:56] <John__> I thought I'd start simple.
• 3393[22:54:11] <jhutchins> Very few NICs do not have a working Linux driver.
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• 3395[22:54:31] <missmbob> and this is seriously off topic
• 3396[22:54:45] <John__> jhutchins, my laptop is pretty bleeding edge. it's only in version 4.4 that my NIC got supported.
• 3397[22:54:48] <John__> missmbob, really sorry.
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• 3399[22:54:56] <John__> 4.4 of linux.
• 3400[22:55:05] <jhutchins> Yeah, it's about firmware development, a deep subset of programming. Persue binary programming.
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• 3402[22:55:21] <John__> before 4.4, I had to bring in some firmware into the kernel and recompile it
• 3403[22:55:24] <John__> to get my NIC to work.
• 3404[22:55:36] <John__> jhutchins, fair. thank you.
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• 3406[22:56:15] <jhutchins> John__: Probably not too hard to start with programming SOCs like Arduinos and Pi.
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• 3421[23:00:16] <John__> jhutchins, I sort of have an idea about the types of I/O like serial OUT, memory mapping and DMA
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• 3424[23:00:39] <John__> was hoping I'd actually try my aim at something more complicated and something that's actually PART of my hardware/laptop.
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• 3426[23:00:56] <John__> something more interesting.
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• 3459[23:14:24] <strncpy> Hi
• 3460[23:14:35] <strncpy> which version was systemd introduced in?
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• 3470[23:18:27] <epsilon> current stable
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• 3480[23:24:35] <tofutoon> I'm trying to get an AK5370 microphone working on Debian. It works well on Ubuntu. The primary difference I see is that Ubuntu uses xhci_hcd whereas Debian uses ehci-pci. Is there a way to ask Debian to use xhci_hcd? I'm using Debian 8.7.
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• 3492[23:29:10] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: modprobe xhci_hcd
• 3493[23:29:30] <camh> does anyone have rootfs on nfs4 working with debian jessie? it always seems to try nfs3 only
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• 3500[23:33:35] <sqarzz> guys, i have a question. the mbr, is it located on the disk itself? I have a system on a disk with two partitions (boot and root). I would like te copy the whole system to another virtual host. If i recreate the partitions first, could i just copy the content of the two partitions with dd. would this even work?
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• 3512[23:40:49] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: The xhci_hcd driver is enabled. After using a different port, xhci_hcd was used. That port is labelled as USB 3.0 but it's probably 2.0.
• 3513[23:41:29] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: Thanks
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• 3515[23:41:55] <camh> sqarzz: the mbr is outside of the partitions. it is the very first sector on the disk, which also holds the partition table
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• 3517[23:42:43] <camh> there is also a bit of free space between the mbr and the first partition which will likely be used by the bootloader
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• 3521[23:44:47] <x42> that worked petn-randall thx!!
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• 3537[23:56:50] <camh> sqarzz: see replaced-url
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• 3539[23:57:06] <sqarzz> okay thx camh
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• 3544[23:59:37] <JetBalsa> "Uhh.. My Mainframe is not wanting to show the total number of items we have ordered" -- A Manger as a sports bar
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