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25 [00:13:57] <kevin-oculus> can i ask offtopic
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28 [00:14:59] <dontknow> kevin-oculus, ask
29 [00:15:06] <klys> #debian-offtopic
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43 [00:20:49] <velix> Are there any commercial packages services? I'd like to have some packages backported (to Jessie), but I neither have the time, nor the knowledge to do anything by myself.
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48 [00:21:58] <somiaj> velix: there are request to package bugs, there might be request to backport bugs (I'll have to double check). But outside of that someone will have to volunteer to do the work. I don't know of any place that you can just pay to do the work.
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51 [00:22:57] <somiaj> I've seen nice people in here help backport stuff to share too.
52 [00:23:59] <velix> somiaj: Right now, I've got to use Ubuntu in a chroot, since Debian packages are so heavily outdated.
53 [00:23:59] <somiaj> hmm, not clearly seeing what bug to request a backport.
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55 [00:24:33] <somiaj> velix: that is not going to change in Debian, debian produces a frozen system which has different release goals the ubuntu.
56 [00:24:54] <velix> somiaj: That's why I'm asking for backports for money ;)
57 [00:25:10] <velix> somiaj: I wonder, why there are no automatic backports
58 [00:25:12] <somiaj> stretch will be released here now that it is frozen (~6 months), but if you need lots of backports, you'll most likely have to make them yourself if they aren't being made.
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60 [00:25:33] <somiaj> velix: someone needs to matain/test them
61 [00:26:02] <velix> somiaj: Nope, no need to. Label them "experimental, automatic backports" and you're fine.
62 [00:26:05] <velix> None-default, additional.
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64 [00:27:22] <somiaj> that is not debians design policy/goals
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66 [00:27:44] <velix> somiaj: never said this would be debian's task.
67 [00:27:50] <velix> somiaj: I asked for a paid service :)
68 [00:27:59] <velix> somiaj: normally, corporations do this.
69 [00:27:59] <sonOfRa> velix: well, you have to test them to at least the level that they don't exhibit random runtime failures simply because of an ABI break
70 [00:28:16] <velix> sonOfRa: it's easy to implement automatic tests.
71 [00:28:18] <sonOfRa> velix: maybe redhat is the choice for you
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73 [00:28:29] <velix> sonOfRa: Ubuntu in a chroot is doing fine.
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75 [00:28:45] <sonOfRa> velix: you'd have to test every single interaction of every single program. It's not about /bugs/, it's about ABI breaks
76 [00:28:46] <velix> I think, you don't understand what I'm asking for. I do not want to change Debian.
77 [00:28:46] <somiaj> anyways, you may be able to find those who will work for money, but I don't know of a centralized location. But this is partly why there are so many based on debian things out there, because not everyone likes debians frozen policy. Backports are helpful, but not the solution if your goal is to keep more current a large number of packages.
78 [00:28:52] <velix> I don#t want Debian developers to change their mind.
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80 [00:29:02] <velix> I just wanted to pay money to save time on doing backports.
81 [00:29:13] <sonOfRa> velix: which is kind of what redhat does.
82 [00:29:40] <velix> sonOfRa: but Redhat ain't debian. I don't want to change the core platform.
83 [00:29:45] <somiaj> velix: I don't know of any orginization that currently exists, but that doesn't mean there aren't people out there who would do the work. You won't really find them here I don't think.
84 [00:30:05] <velix> somiaj: ok, then I'll keep on using my chroot ;)
85 [00:30:35] <velix> But I'm fine with this. Using a chroot helps to keep the main system clean :)
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92 [00:33:56] <AvatarA> see who's maintaining what you want backported and make your offer :)
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99 [00:35:33] <AvatarA> and you can't do automatic backports for so many packages, if that would be possible then we wouldn't need maintainers
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129 [00:53:41] <NANDgate> I'm trying to compile Gnu octave and I'm getting an error for "javac compiler or jar excutable found".Any suggestions on how to debug this? I am on Debian testing
130 [00:54:34] <NANDgate> I just realize that debug is wrong word since I would be the bug in this case
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133 [00:56:01] <NANDgate> I have openjdk 1.8 installed. that might be the problem
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135 [00:57:39] <NANDgate> when I type "javac - version" I get a bash error of "command not found", and i have installed javacc through apt
136 [00:58:09] <sh00p> update-alternatives --config javac
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139 [00:58:21] <sh00p> or maybe need to install
140 [00:58:21] <NANDgate> trying now
141 [00:58:52] <themill> Also, octave is already in Debian so you probably could save yourself a lot of hassl
142 [00:58:53] <themill> e
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147 [00:59:34] <NANDgate> I'm trying out version 4.2.0. I would like the bug fixes but will revert if this fails
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149 [01:00:01] <themill> ,v octave --release experimental
150 [01:00:02] <judd> Package: octave on amd64 -- experimental: 4.2.0-2
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152 [01:00:24] <NANDgate> cool thanks I was not aware of that
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154 [01:00:39] <themill> It looks to be quite backportable to earlier releases too
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156 [01:01:32] <themill> (at the very least, the source package tells you the build-dependencies)
157 [01:01:58] <themill> /msg judd builddep octave experimental
158 [01:02:26] <NANDgate> themill: is this syntax correct? ",v octave --release experimental"
159 [01:02:41] <themill> correct for what?
160 [01:02:49] <themill> it's correct for talking to the bot judd
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162 [01:03:04] <NANDgate> Ohh very noob here
163 [01:03:10] * judd waves to NANDgate
164 [01:03:22] <NANDgate> doesn't work in my terminal
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166 [01:03:33] <themill> judd isn't in your terminal
167 [01:03:58] <NANDgate> i meant what themill typed
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171 [01:06:18] <TomTomTo1> NANDgate: judd is an irc bot. you can talk to it by private message /msg judd <command>
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173 [01:07:26] <TomTomTo1> NANDgate: the command is what comes after the comma in the invocations above.
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177 [01:08:04] <NANDgate> TomTomTo1: thanks for pointing that out
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187 [01:13:35] <themill> NANDgate: , is just short for "judd: " to attract the bot's attention in here. "v" is short for "versions" which then does the database look-up for me
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191 [01:18:17] <NANDgate> themill: Very cool tool
192 [01:21:16] <NANDgate> themill: I added the experimental to my sources.list then a apt-get update, followed by an apt-cache search for octave yet the line for octave doesn't show a version number. Do I invoke apt differently if I want an experimental package?
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194 [01:21:52] <themill> You probably don't want to install the package directly from experimental. You want to recompile the source package
195 [01:21:56] <themill> dpkg: tell NANDgate about ssb
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199 [01:23:22] <NANDgate> themill: Got it so the issue I'm having now which may be a nonissue since octave claims it can compile without it is the javac
200 [01:23:59] <themill> so if you follow what dpkg just told you, you would have default-jdk installed and with that, you'd have javac
201 [01:24:21] <NANDgate> themill: sorry for that sentence. It needs punctuation.
202 [01:24:43] <NANDgate> themill: I didn't see any output from dpkg
203 [01:26:10] <NANDgate> themill: sorry just noticed the pm
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211 [01:29:46] <NANDgate> themill: What can I say. Thanks for the info! It clarifies a lot.
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217 [01:37:41] <NANDgate> themill: Thanks again I'm reading the apt wiki now and will update my progress
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219 [01:38:48] <themill> have fun!
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232 [01:43:24] <jaami> what is the reason for this Unable to lock , lock was blocked by an application?
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235 [01:44:05] <bazhang> jaami, was that during you trying to use apt
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237 [01:45:00] <jaami> its is on my desktop, more than 10 times same error shows up like light bulbs
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239 [01:45:22] <bazhang> what is on your desktop
240 [01:45:53] <jaami> at bottom of the desktop there are many bulbs and when i click on one bulb the error message is shown
241 [01:45:59] <bazhang> you need to give more info on what you are trying to do
242 [01:46:35] <jaami> yes, let me know what i should do
243 [01:47:07] <jaami> those are notifications
244 [01:47:10] <bazhang> jaami, are you trying to install something, run a script or what
245 [01:47:49] <jaami> nothing, just want to know why those notifications are there.
246 [01:48:15] <bazhang> jaami, if you do not give us more info, that is very hard to say
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248 [01:48:44] <jaami> i want to give information, but how and what you need more?
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250 [01:49:34] <bazhang> jaami, what are you clicking on to get that error
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253 [01:50:59] <jaami> i drag desktop with mouse upward and there a gray bar at the bottom of screen appear with many bulbs ,if i click on any one a message is shown that unable to lock , lock was blocked by an application
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255 [01:51:33] <bazhang> jaami, take a screenshot please
256 [01:52:09] <jaami> ok
257 [01:53:06] <themill> Sounds like the gnome screenlocker
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260 [01:53:37] <zzaj12> ..
261 [01:55:53] <jaami> is there any app in debian for screen capture, the printscreen button isnt copying image into clipboard
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263 [01:56:40] <jaami> ah, got photos app
264 [01:56:45] <awal1> there are a lot
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267 [01:57:30] <bazhang> ,v thunderbird
268 [01:57:31] <judd> Package: thunderbird on amd64 -- sid: 1:45.7.1-1
269 [01:57:51] <jaami> captured, now sending on pastebin
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290 [02:04:25] <bazhang> no thx
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294 [02:06:10] <Jaami> i captured my desktop and uploaded the image here replaced-url
295 [02:06:15] <NANDgate> themill: make is running now. I checked the config.log and found that it did find jdk. It seems that this might be a bug in the ./configures confidence test. Not sure how long it will take. I will update if successful.
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297 [02:07:22] <Jaami> bazhang: please see this replaced-url
298 [02:07:29] <NANDgate> themill: *when successful
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306 [02:10:45] <Jaami> my debian is showing many notifications about some application that locked something. look like debian is hacked.
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308 [02:11:48] <Jaami> please tell me why there are many notifications? here is the desktop capture replaced-url
309 [02:12:27] <themill> looks like gnome screensaver is confused
310 [02:12:33] <Jaami> everything is working fine but virtualbox is acting strange
311 [02:12:52] <Jaami> oh screensaver?
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313 [02:13:11] <Jaami> yes, quite possible
314 [02:13:59] <Jaami> do i need to update debian?
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316 [02:14:35] <LtL> Jaami: click on the icon to the left in that bar, does it say notifications and setting?
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319 [02:14:47] <Jaami> yes it does
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322 [02:15:29] <LtL> Jaami: turn them off or try to find the offending notification and toggle that off
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325 [02:16:07] <Jaami> all are On at this time. so that is the best way to deal with notifications. its so easy
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327 [02:16:31] <Jaami> ty
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329 [02:16:52] <LtL> Jaami: well, it would be best to find the offender first
330 [02:17:02] <Jaami> just another thing in my mind, is it possible that someone can hack my debian system remotely?
331 [02:17:14] <marioxcc> Hello.
332 [02:17:19] <bazhang> hi
333 [02:17:26] <marioxcc> How can I install "openssh-server" without starting it offright?.
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336 [02:17:34] <marioxcc> (In Debian 8)
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339 [02:17:59] <LtL> Jaami: via ssh sure but not likely. change the default sshd port and don't allow root logins
340 [02:18:00] <Jaami> LtL: is that something serios, i mean the notofication about the lock
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342 [02:19:02] <Jaami> ok nice, i will change the port and really, i use my system no one else can touch it.
343 [02:19:51] <LtL> Jaami: i've never seen it although i don't use a screensaver. your logs may tell you more, eg. /var/log/Xorg.0.log and others
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347 [02:20:54] <LtL> Jaami: i don't believe its serious, no
348 [02:21:10] <Jaami> LtL: ty, now i guess there isnt much to worry.
349 [02:21:21] <LtL> Jaami: if you have hundreds then i would look into it further
350 [02:21:31] <Jaami> it was bothering me from many days
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352 [02:22:00] <Jaami> :)
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360 [02:25:26] <LtL> marioxcc: i don't think you can, but you can shut it down immediately
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362 [02:26:20] <marioxcc> LtL: I am worried that the daemon will be exposed with some disfavorable setting (security settings) until I stop it.
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364 [02:27:00] <LtL> marioxcc: its safe by default for a few minutes easily
365 [02:27:52] <marioxcc> LtL: You are probably right, but it still is a very unelegant solution.
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367 [02:28:53] <themill> Unless your password is "password" with an easily guessable username, it is safe by default.
368 [02:28:55] <LtL> marioxcc: install, 'service ssh stop' isn't exactly inelegant
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371 [02:30:33] <marioxcc> themill: It is not a secure password, so it could be "password" for that matter. I plan to disable password authentication through SSH anyway.
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374 [02:30:56] <LtL> marioxcc: fix the password
375 [02:31:57] <LtL> something elegant of course ;)
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379 [02:33:04] <ccvibes> i'm having a hard drive problem, it's a Toshiba drive connect to my raspberry pi via SCSI, dmesg reports "sdb1 ext4: couldn't clean up the journal", but there's no /dev/sdb so I can use any tools to analyze/repair it. Any suggestions?
380 [02:34:09] <marioxcc> LtL: I will have to, but it is not really broken beacuse it would not be a security requirement if OpenSSH could be configured to disable remote password login *before* it starts. :)
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382 [02:34:33] <bazhang> ccvibes, running raspbian?
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385 [02:35:28] <ccvibes> it's debian sid
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393 [02:36:20] <LtL> marioxcc: install ssh, edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config, restart. elapsed time minutes~ and persistent no worries.
394 [02:37:29] <missmbob> or you could just make sshd_config first and then apt wont overwrite it
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399 [02:38:46] <awal1> Jaami, you don't have to worry if you don't install unknown third party software and only have open the necessary ports and don't use root if not really needed
400 [02:38:51] <marioxcc> missmbob: Right. That is an option too.
401 [02:39:01] <marioxcc> LtL: I will take the option of "fixing" the password.
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403 [02:39:35] <LtL> marioxcc: most definetly a weak link to resolve pronto
404 [02:40:15] <awal1> those bulbs are funny :D That's just something wrong in gnome somewhere, try to find what exactly and configure it well, Jaami
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406 [02:41:57] <LtL> marioxcc: change your listening port also unless you want a stream of PRC auth attempts in your logs among others
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408 [02:43:06] <awal1> Jaami, I don't use gnome so no much clue, but it looks like a conflict gnome screensaver trying to lock your session and probably another program preventing that
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494 [04:03:15] <cupric> I'm running apache2 on a raspberry pi. I can't access php code dropped in /var/replaced-url
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497 [04:03:47] <missmbob> raspbian?
498 [04:03:49] <cupric> Any idea why? /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default is set for /var/replaced-url
499 [04:03:54] <cupric> yep
500 [04:04:00] <missmbob> !raspbian
501 [04:04:00] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
502 [04:04:08] <cupric> okey doke
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547 [04:28:21] <likcoras> Hi, I use urxvt, and for some reason it started being much slower to start another terminal window, despite using urxvtd & urxvtc. ie. other stuff lags for a few ms whenver I open a new terminal window. Any ideas on why, or how I could go around trying to figure out why?
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610 [05:08:49] <Aquarius13> Hi
611 [05:09:59] <Aquarius13> How do I Change My Display Name (Nick) ?
612 [05:10:00] <Aquarius13> Type: ” /nick myNewNickname ” without the quotes.
613 [05:10:00] <Aquarius13> How do I Register or Password Protect my Nickname?
614 [05:10:00] <Aquarius13> Check these instructions (good question, someone write it up and tell one of the ops in the chat and we will put it here.
615 [05:10:00] <Aquarius13> How do I Change Channels, or Go to A Different Chatroom?
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639 [05:25:26] <rue_shop3> what replaced xorg.conf?
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683 [05:55:27] <Agafnd> so whenever I start a graphical application from the terminal, it warns me "Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/50-user.conf", line 14: reading configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated. please move it to /home/natty/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf manually"
684 [05:55:49] <Agafnd> I trust this is safe to do/isn't leading me wrong?
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687 [06:03:08] <GreyHazRoot> anyone around that could help with hopefully a minor problem with Alfa card not being recognized on Deb8?
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701 [06:12:56] <smhar> greetings
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703 [06:14:30] <smhar> I had sound problems so I deleted the pulse config file and now I can not get sound with vlc. I keep getting this error: pulse audio output error: PulseAudio server connection failure: Connection refused
704 [06:15:53] <tw> it can't start the pulse server if it's unconfigured.
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722 [06:32:16] <GreyHazRoot> smhar: do a live boot, mount your hard drive, and grab the config file you need from the live boot
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789 [07:46:49] <vahe> hello, please tell me why this program is no one repository ? what is the problem with her? as I read it gpl +cc license "bitmask"
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795 [07:48:33] <somiaj> vahe: programs may not be in Debian due to various reasons, one just being no one has taken time to package it for Debian.
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797 [07:50:10] <jelly> smhar: you just need to restart pulseaudio if the old process is still running, it will create required stuff on its own
798 [07:50:10] <vahe> somiaj: replaced-url
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802 [07:51:52] <somiaj> vahe: we don't support thrid party repos here, and that repo looks like it is for ubuntu 'vivid' and not for debian, so it may not be compadable with debian.
803 [07:52:53] <somiaj> oh looks like they have a jessie repo down lower, anyways we dont' support third party repos. Are you having a generic issue with it or is there a problem with the repo, if so contact them.
804 [07:53:40] <vahe> somiaj: no problem, just weird )
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806 [07:55:06] <vahe> thank you
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810 [08:00:09] <cryptic> I hate debian, I hate networking, I hate lxc, and I hate bridge devices
811 [08:00:19] <cryptic> I also hate freeswitch
812 [08:00:26] * cryptic is in networking hell right now
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815 [08:01:20] <yukip> what distro are you peps running? asuing debian or a branch
816 [08:01:23] <somiaj> this isn't the place to vent though.
817 [08:01:29] <yukip> i'm cbpp
818 [08:01:32] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
819 [08:01:38] <cryptic> yeah, I know
820 [08:01:48] <somiaj> yukip: we only support debian here, so most of us are actually running Debian (though some run multiple distros for different things)
821 [08:02:07] <somiaj> yukip: and based on debian support is off-topic here
822 [08:02:47] <yukip> branches of debian are practically the same as debian just differnt mw and icons
823 [08:03:00] <yukip> window managers*
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825 [08:03:18] <somiaj> !based on debian
826 [08:03:19] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
827 [08:03:35] <somiaj> yukip: they are not, they change a lot of core stuff, have different policy. Are you talking about debian pure-blends?
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829 [08:04:02] <somiaj> maybe on the surface it just looks like oh they have a different wm/de, but there is more to it than that.
830 [08:04:07] <yukip> nvm sorry
831 [08:04:29] <yukip> configs in the home dir :p
832 [08:04:43] <Agafnd> debian derivatives could both be running GNOME 3 and look pretty much the same, but be quite different
833 [08:05:10] <Agafnd> so I'd say it's rather opposite
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839 [08:08:09] <cryptic> replaced-url
840 [08:10:50] <somiaj> The policy is a combination of two major factors. 1) It is very frustrating when we are trying to help someone and we give an answer that would work in Debian. The answer doesn't work, and after a long time we find out, oh you aren't running Debian -- so thus we don't expect to know what may or may not be different on a different distro. and 2) we are voulnteers here to support and build a community around
841 [08:10:56] <somiaj> Debian, and as such choose to be a support comunity for Debian, not its derivatives.
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844 [08:11:22] <cryptic> exactly
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846 [08:12:59] <somiaj> I think the community is one thing that is overlooked when choosing an opensource project, from either a piece of software to a whole distro/os.
847 [08:13:28] <somiaj> at least until one needs help from the community
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849 [08:14:21] <cryptic> I'll be honest, though: The wheezy -> jessie transition really hit me hard because of systemd
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851 [08:15:03] <somiaj> I personally had no issues with systemd, as it hid behind the sceens and as I got to know it, got to like it better for an init system. I think it overreaches, but things do evolve.
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853 [08:15:44] <somiaj> I do know that edge cases (to many for say production confort) had issues with it, but I see more 'we don't like systemd' vs 'it is not working and the upgrades didn't deal with most major use cases'
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855 [08:16:08] <somiaj> or the issues with systemd were the learning curve of things not being were they used to be
856 [08:16:17] <cryptic> that was the issue for me
857 [08:16:49] <cryptic> getting used to something new was met with some resistence initially, but that's part of progress
858 [08:17:42] <somiaj> I like systemd as an init system. Now being integrated with my destkop -- it overreaches.
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862 [08:19:20] <cryptic> agreed. I run into problems on my desktop fairly often due to the overreach, especially since I'm running xfce4.12 on stretch. Sometimes rebooting results in a lost afternoon.
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869 [08:27:37] <cryptic> my biggest criticism of systemd isn't actually a technical one, but a licensing one: I really don't like that it's licensed under LGPL rather than GPLv3
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888 [08:36:32] <Necrosporus> cryptic, Wait, it's licensed under GPL v3?
889 [08:36:57] <cryptic> Necrosporus: no. systemd was initially licensed under GPLv2, but it was changed to LGPLv2.1 in 2012
890 [08:37:16] <cryptic> I think that was a bad choice
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893 [08:38:24] <Necrosporus> Why?
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895 [08:38:52] <eipi10> has anyone tried installing flashplugin-nonfree lately?
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897 [08:39:21] <missmbob> eipi10: it's broken #841373
898 [08:39:22] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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900 [08:39:44] <cryptic> Necrosporus: because it violates debian's social contract with the free software community
901 [08:39:52] <missmbob> eipi10: use this replaced-url
902 [08:39:54] <Necrosporus> How so?
903 [08:40:08] <Necrosporus> systemd is GPL v3 compatible isn't it?
904 [08:40:18] <Necrosporus> Though I do not really see a benefit of systemd
905 [08:40:24] <missmbob> !ot
906 [08:40:24] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
907 [08:40:27] <eipi10> tx. I use the one for FF and get this: ERROR: wget failed to download replaced-url
908 [08:40:32] <eipi10> is it the same problem?
909 [08:40:34] <Necrosporus> latest freshly installed debian takes really long to load
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912 [08:42:30] <cryptic> Necrosporus: because it opens the door for proprietary derivative distributions to not respect users' freedom
913 [08:43:15] <Necrosporus> cryptic → #debian-offtopic if you want to continue
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921 [08:47:27] <eipi10> I guess it's not the same problem. I installed flash-plugin a couple weeks ago, np. I only use b/c I am forced to. I would never otherwise. ..and I sure as hell wouldn't use any chrome, chromium.
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934 [08:55:50] <fishbulb> does hibernate work by default? gnome is set to "hibernate" when the battery is critical
935 [08:55:52] <fishbulb> but it doesn't
936 [08:56:29] <fishbulb> jessie stable 8.7 or whatever the latest stable one is
937 [08:56:56] <fishbulb> this is day 3 of debian
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939 [08:58:40] <fishbulb> it doesn't seem to hibernate, if it did all the prior stuff would be restored
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941 [08:59:44] <musca> fishbulb: hibernation uses the swap space to save the memory state. Did you add enough swap?
942 [08:59:52] <fishbulb> always
943 [09:00:08] <fishbulb> actually what do you mean by enough
944 [09:00:14] <fishbulb> I have 8gb of ram and about 10 of swap
945 [09:00:27] <fishbulb> I thought that'd be enough
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958 [09:11:54] <tw> if you call `systemctl hibernate` directly does it properly resume?
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984 [09:41:06] <locklambart> sound and bluetooth is not working after updating kali linux.
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988 [09:43:12] <bazhang> #kali-linux for support locklambart
989 [09:43:40] <locklambart> thanks.
990 [09:43:45] <bazhang> np
991 [09:45:53] <locklambart> i cannot found this channel
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996 [09:47:32] <bazhang> locklambart, /join #kali-linux
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999 [09:48:22] <tomcres> !kali
1000 [09:48:22] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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1007 [09:59:12] <cimol> can anybody know this problm?
1008 [09:59:13] <cimol> replaced-url
1009 [09:59:31] <cimol> while use fullscreen of app, then the panel like overlaying the bottom screen
1010 [09:59:41] <cimol> i use debian fluxbox and fbpanel
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1031 [10:19:46] <davin> hello
1032 [10:19:57] <davin> replaced-url
1033 [10:20:07] <davin> replaced-url
1034 [10:20:12] <davin> i got a quick question homeboys
1035 [10:20:20] <davin> it comes from the big guys upstairs
1036 [10:20:24] <cimol> i use fluxbox
1037 [10:20:25] <cimol> hehe
1038 [10:20:33] <davin> yeah, fluxbox is nice
1039 [10:20:35] <davin> i use it too
1040 [10:20:40] <davin> (good idea to use fluxbox)
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1042 [10:21:04] <cimol> mm, may i ask a problm?
1043 [10:21:12] <davin> between those two web sites and this one replaced-url
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1045 [10:21:27] <davin> what that encapsulate or include all window manager available in debian?
1046 [10:21:35] <davin> what/would
1047 [10:21:43] <davin> i feel kind of weird like something is missing
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1049 [10:22:37] <cimol> mm im not sure hehee
1050 [10:22:42] <cimol> im not an expert
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1052 [10:23:40] <davin> i like debian packages
1053 [10:23:43] <davin> and its a nice system
1054 [10:23:52] <davin> (packages.debian.org)
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1056 [10:24:04] <davin> but if it had a bit more catagories, i think it would be better
1057 [10:24:16] <davin> like through
1058 [10:24:17] <davin> replaced-url
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1060 [10:24:27] <davin> replaced-url
1061 [10:24:36] <davin> there are just so, so many packages
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1065 [10:24:50] <davin> it might take me a few days to look through (/stable/x11) packages site
1066 [10:24:58] <cimol> yaa seems awesome,
1067 [10:25:14] <cimol> sometimes maybe have to compile from source
1068 [10:28:20] <davin> if i conduct a search via the web browser (control-f) for window manager (/stable/x11) this can be done faster
1069 [10:28:34] <davin> but it feels like a junket way of doing things
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1073 [10:30:14] <cimol> what about "apt-cache search" or "aptitude search"
1074 [10:30:29] <fishbulb> hey how do I make the thinkpad middle scroll button permanent
1075 [10:31:33] <davin> linux is not really a product for laptops
1076 [10:31:45] <davin> laptops belong to microsoft, and people that do otherwise live an ill life
1077 [10:31:55] <bazhang> davin thats false
1078 [10:31:57] <davin> microsoft owns the laptop
1079 [10:32:11] <bazhang> davin please stop with that here
1080 [10:32:13] <davin> nope, davin is right you are young of something
1081 [10:32:19] <cimol> edit the synaptics.conf , fishbulb
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1083 [10:34:11] <cimol> i think this one solve it: replaced-url
1084 [10:34:38] <cimol> replaced-url
1085 [10:34:46] <cimol> if u use synaptics
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1087 [10:35:10] <davin> i don't have debian installed right, cimol
1088 [10:35:16] <davin> to be able to conduct that search
1089 [10:35:28] <davin> i'm looking around for some people i am working with
1090 [10:35:35] <cimol> but dell brought linux as default os in some type, like my one hehee
1091 [10:36:07] <cimol> and now, some vendor do that too,
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1095 [10:36:39] <cimol> u must try it davin , its fun work with debian
1096 [10:36:40] <cimol> :D
1097 [10:36:56] <davin> yeah, linux is a nice system with lots of software
1098 [10:37:01] <davin> i've been using it since about 1996
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1100 [10:37:24] <davin> the packages of x11 that i like are fluxbow, window maker, enlightenment and twm
1101 [10:37:30] <davin> the other comes with problems, as far as i see it
1102 [10:37:49] <davin> my worry is about being a comprehensive list
1103 [10:37:57] <davin> or maybe something being lost that shouldn't be
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1105 [10:38:02] <cimol> so am i, replace macro with this fluxbox, being lightweight and configurable
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1107 [10:38:14] <cimol> the power of community , davin
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1109 [10:39:11] <davin> i live in clark
1110 [10:39:13] <davin> and rehat is of meldor
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1112 [10:39:24] <davin> meldor is an ill place, full of problems
1113 [10:39:35] <davin> the dell site says that it runs suse (germany) and redhat, which is of meldor
1114 [10:39:47] <davin> debian belongs go clark, and it doesn't run on laptops
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1116 [10:40:21] <cimol> that two being commercial, like canonical with ubuntu as i know
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1118 [10:40:53] <cimol> i hope debian run as default os in future
1119 [10:41:29] <davin> windows is an important product, and some places can't be without windows
1120 [10:41:33] <davin> important software runs on windows
1121 [10:41:44] <cimol> ya, i think so.
1122 [10:41:45] <davin> a lot of things only run on windows
1123 [10:41:51] <davin> like video games
1124 [10:42:03] <davin> microsoft office
1125 [10:42:05] <bub_> what the..
1126 [10:42:10] <davin> multimedia software
1127 [10:42:19] <cimol> but i just like debian
1128 [10:42:23] <bub_> is this trollol?
1129 [10:42:27] <sterkh> yep
1130 [10:42:32] <bub_> aha..
1131 [10:42:33] <davin> thats good
1132 [10:42:40] <davin> debian is an important develoment platform
1133 [10:42:46] <cimol> i wipe out my windows , move to debian
1134 [10:42:47] <davin> it has a lot of software for developers
1135 [10:42:53] <davin> and even a lot of software for servers
1136 [10:43:14] <xand> davin: stop talking
1137 [10:43:16] <cimol> actually, i dont like windows from the first time i use my pc, hehee
1138 [10:43:24] <davin> what kind of talk is that xand
1139 [10:43:30] <bub_> you're full of shit
1140 [10:43:33] <davin> that is inappropriate
1141 [10:43:38] <bub_> I think that's what most silent peeps here are thinking right now
1142 [10:43:39] <xand> davin: it means shut up.
1143 [10:43:43] <cimol> let it go brothers,
1144 [10:43:45] <cimol> :D hihihi
1145 [10:43:49] <cimol> make this more hot
1146 [10:43:53] <davin> i'm going to need to file a complaint here, xand
1147 [10:43:55] <cimol> hotter
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1149 [10:43:56] <davin> because you sound like a crack head
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1152 [10:44:25] <davin> you're going to need to leave this area xand
1153 [10:44:32] <davin> #debian of irc.debian.org
1154 [10:44:40] <davin> is a sponsored site from replaced-url
1155 [10:44:46] <davin> and this kind of talk is incorrect
1156 [10:44:53] <davin> you sound like a know-nothing to me
1157 [10:45:03] <sterkh> shit..
1158 [10:45:11] <davin> this is an official avenue and you need to leave and never come back
1159 [10:45:35] <davin> europe is a nothing country, by the way
1160 [10:45:39] <davin> its full of stupid people like you
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1162 [10:46:00] <davin> this blood lines are stupid
1163 [10:46:01] <bazhang> !ops | davin trolling
1164 [10:46:02] <davin> everything is ours
1165 [10:46:02] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | davin trolling
1166 [10:46:12] <bazhang> stop it now davin
1167 [10:46:14] <davin> these
1168 [10:46:32] <cimol> ops, seem like hotter, i leave, thanks
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1170 [10:46:43] <davin> i don't know what you jut did, bazhang
1171 [10:46:45] <davin> but you need to undo it
1172 [10:48:06] <davin> what does trolling mean
1173 [10:48:11] <davin> it sounds like you are confused of something
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1175 [10:48:31] <OerHeks> guys, don't feed this troll :-)
1176 [10:48:52] <gnugr> davin: this isn't a place to argue, is to provide help for Debian users
1177 [10:49:00] <davin> this place sounds unreasonable, and it might be shutdown soon
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1179 [10:49:06] <n3wborn> hi. I did copy an iso with dd, but i didn't think to make a second partition to use the "free" space (the remaining space in the disk). How can I do ? Can I reduce the part where the iso is copied and create a new one after it ? If you got a url which explain things to do easily...
1180 [10:49:43] <davin> if this is what it is for,
1181 [10:49:46] <davin> it won't be around for long
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1183 [10:50:20] <davin> i'm going to have a talk with hp about this place
1184 [10:50:32] <nkuttler> n3wborn: i don't think that's possible, as the iso overwrites the mbr?
1185 [10:50:53] <nkuttler> and the partition table, presumably
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1190 [10:51:14] <bub_> :)
1191 [10:51:16] <xand> n3wborn: an iso image doesn't have a partition table usually so you can't
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1193 [10:53:36] <n3wborn> thanks for your help nkuttler, and xand, I'll delete all this and make all things needed. If I remember, kali linux show things interesting about this, they create an new partition after the first for the persistance one.
1194 [10:53:56] <n3wborn> using parted if I remember.
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1196 [10:54:18] <n3wborn> I'll check that
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1198 [10:54:44] <nkuttler> n3wborn: fwiw, grub can book isos from disk, if that helps
1199 [10:55:11] <n3wborn> nkuttler: ok
1200 [10:55:24] <nkuttler> grub-imageboot
1201 [10:55:38] <OerHeks> n3wborn, see this tread about persistent live usb replaced-url
1202 [10:55:54] <n3wborn> OerHeks: thanks !
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1210 [11:01:57] <ledufakademy> hello,
1211 [11:02:13] <ledufakademy> i'm seraching dedup inline tools / software or filesystem for debian 8 ?
1212 [11:03:50] <fishbulb> hey, there's a middle scroll button for a thinkpad trackpoint
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1220 [11:09:46] <michal__> hello, why I cant use RightButtonAreaLeft option in synaptics driver in debian?
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1247 [11:29:38] <OS-27542> NickServ IDENTIFY chellam
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1252 [11:32:38] <georgia> I'm having some sound issues (specifically a lack of sound) after replacing gnome 3 with XFCE. Pavucontrol shows my digital stereo (HDMI) output as "unplugged". I installed pavucontrol because XFCE's native sound manager couldn't seem to fix the problem. Any tips? Using stable.
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1295 [12:17:08] <steven_> Is there a way to access manpages for an uninstalled program without using a browser?
1296 [12:17:11] <fishbulb> um
1297 [12:17:28] <fishbulb> how to make thinkpad trackpoint middle button scroll work
1298 [12:17:29] <fishbulb> please
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1301 [12:19:42] <fishbulb> what's this, where does this go ~/.xsessionrc
1302 [12:19:48] <fishbulb> if something says make thta file, what is the path
1303 [12:19:56] <fishbulb> that squiggle
1304 [12:20:05] <fishbulb> root?
1305 [12:20:18] <at0m> fishbulb: ~/ is your home.
1306 [12:20:25] <ErkiDerLoony> steven_: Install the program. ;)
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1308 [12:20:31] <fishbulb> okey dokey. is this specific to debian or what
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1312 [12:22:30] <themill> steven_: manpages.debian.org
1313 [12:22:47] <at0m> fishbulb: that's on any nix.
1314 [12:23:34] <steven_> Great. Thank you for the information.
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1319 [12:26:42] <eipi10> of course, adobe-flashplugin from ubuntu works great.
1320 [12:26:53] <eipi10> updated 5 days ago.
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1333 [12:36:03] <dasj> hi I just installed a jessie server (just bare minimum, no gui, no extra packages) and I do not have framebuffer support (no /dev/fb0 available) ... how to enable it?
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1337 [12:37:30] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
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1343 [12:39:08] <blkcff> Hi there
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1345 [12:40:07] <blkcff> I have a question about my dovecot installation. I tried asking on #dovecot but noone was replying / talking there. Maybe some of you will know the answer
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1349 [12:40:51] <blkcff> basically, I try to reach my dovecot on imap and it doesn’t work from a remote host, although my vps is listening & open
1350 [12:41:24] <blkcff> I can reach the server but when I try logging in (testing trough openssl on command line) I get no reply
1351 [12:41:40] <blkcff> when I do the same locally, the login is successful
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1354 [12:41:57] <blkcff> any idea where this problem could come from?
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1369 [12:49:43] <no_gravity> Hello! When I ssh into a machine, can I see the titles of the windows I have open in X?
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1372 [12:50:35] <Bliepo> Anyone have any expierence with the Asus PCE-AC68? It is a PCIE card with the BCM4360 chipset and I'm planning to use it to add router functionality to my Linux box. I need to know whether it 1) works reliably and 2) the driver can reach speeds at or near the level of the WIndows driver. I found info it should be supported but hope someone can confirm.
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1375 [12:53:32] <Bliepo> But I think this question might be better suited to the forums perhaps?
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1399 [13:12:51] <cybrNaut> when clicking on an URL outside of a browser, what component is responsible for choosing a browser to launch?
1400 [13:12:59] <cybrNaut> is that a gnome matter?
1401 [13:13:41] <somiaj> kinda depends, xdg-open and mime-types is the most common thing now days, but not always the thing used
1402 [13:14:19] <cybrNaut> ah, sounds familiar.. i'll look into configuring xdg-open
1403 [13:14:21] <somiaj> sometimes the debian alterative system is used, which there are a bunch of various browser alternatives like replaced-url
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1406 [13:14:32] <somiaj> there are a few other tools like xdg-settings and xdg-mime
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1408 [13:14:51] <cybrNaut> i didn't realize xdg-open worked on urls.. thought it was just files
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1411 [13:17:52] <cybrNaut> running "xdg-settings get default-web-browser" returns "iceweasel.desktop"
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1430 [13:24:58] <samba35> how to do i find details of pci address which i want to add in libvirt bridge
1431 [13:25:03] <samba35> <address type='pci' domain='0x0000' bus='0x00' slot='0x03' function='0x0'/> for example
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1435 [13:27:01] <tx> lspci
1436 [13:27:44] <samba35> yes i try but which field to use where ?
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1440 [13:29:15] <samba35> how to find a domain ,bus,slot,function
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1442 [13:30:11] <tx> samba35: try lspci -vD
1443 [13:30:18] <tx> it will give you which physical slot each device is
1444 [13:30:22] <tx> in, along with domain
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1446 [13:30:38] <samba35> ok
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1451 [13:32:17] <samba35> 0000:00:19.0 0000 is domain and 00:19.0 is ?
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1458 [13:34:31] <samba35> with above example how do i put it to getter
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1501 [13:54:21] <nikolov> how to use full hd resolution radeon free driver
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1506 [13:56:30] <nikolov> !radeon
1507 [13:56:31] <dpkg> Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (replaced-url
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1513 [13:58:46] <cybrNaut> so I ran "cp /usr/share/applications/iceweasel.desktop ~/.local/share/applications/" and then edited iceweasel.desktop
1514 [13:59:02] <cybrNaut> doesn't work.. still launches the previous browser
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1535 [14:09:41] <MarkG1234> hi, is there a way to permanently disable the firewall? I don't mean using rules and such, I mean turning it off completely.
1536 [14:10:30] <MarkG1234> Lots of conflicting and out of date information online :-(
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1538 [14:12:17] <MarkG1234> Debian 8.0
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1547 [14:19:15] <somiaj> MarkG1234: debian does not include a firewall by default. YOu have to configure one yourself if you want it.
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1552 [14:22:59] <AimHere> Well it doesn't include a configured firewall; iptables is part of the kernel and short of monkeying around with the kernel, it'll always be available
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1554 [14:23:34] <tw> The kernel firewall is not loaded by default. You have to turn it on first.
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1569 [14:37:12] <hexnewbie> MarkG1234: I believe the iptables modules should be loaded after someone tries to add or list rules. If they are loaded, unloading may do the trick. Why do you care? It only matters for extreme latency-sensitive tasks
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1601 [14:51:57] <Neobenedict> hi, I need to move all folders containing "FLAC" case insensitive to another directory. how do I do that?
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1610 [14:55:01] <tomcres> find srcdir/ -type d -iname '*flac*' -exec mv '{}' destdir/ \;
1611 [14:55:24] <rr4323> hello sir ,can anyone help me to start driver programming
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1613 [14:56:06] <Neobenedict> thanks
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1620 [14:57:52] <tw> you can flip the arg order for mv around if it's a lot of smaller files. mv -t destdir '{}' +
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1622 [14:58:11] <tw> not relevant for .flac
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1642 [15:06:37] <fnljk> Greetz.I just did "gpg --ken-key" (a non-root user) and generated a key,but while being a VM and intending to (usually..-not always!(??)) disable network interfaces on it, wonder if it wouldnt be a good idea to possibly store atleast one or few(?) private keys on individual encrypted containers.. any simply suggestion for command how to setup such easily, if there are any.. and eventually mount/di
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1645 [15:08:04] <fnljk> And also if anyone know, if it'd presumably be any point to even, couple some.. disk/ram-wiping utility alongside the closure fo that after its use, along with other potential features assuming host OS or hardware were to be presumed compromised
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1647 [15:09:18] <nik> hi rr4323
1648 [15:09:27] <rr4323> hello sir
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1656 [15:12:23] <fnljk> I noticed there are several disk-wiping utilities.. sorry to say I'm kinda newb to LInux in general, but I found at least two seemingly accessible by default thru debian's "apt-get install .."; being "dcfldd" and "secure-delete" -- seeing theres an other supposed "improved" similar tool on Sourceforge.net named "dc3dd" -- any idea this was not included similarly, or may be best avoided.. ?
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1662 [15:14:00] <fnljk> I mainly want to find a simple way to secure my private gpg keys intiially, and preferrably before I get onto fetching other install disks, tools etc, for later use as well,knowing to ensure the integrity of my own meanas of verification, and hopefully getting into a habit of consistently verifying the signing keys of software manually downloaded, as often recommended but i guess typically negelct
1663 [15:15:23] <fnljk> ..neglected, as I have so far at least.. hoping won't be too much hassle to change. I feel it may all be futile given my keys are not felt given max security, and a vulnerability siphoning or manipulating my keys could potentially ..seemingly anyway, lead to ease of later exploitation of my system for example then,..
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1667 [15:15:48] <mingdao> fnljk: can't understand your goal, here, but this might be of interest replaced-url
1668 [15:15:51] <fnljk> or,would it over overly paranoid and a hassle to attempt securing ones gpg-keys on encrypted containers ?
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1670 [15:16:06] <fnljk> cool, many thanks -- will check it !
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1676 [15:18:45] <Guest32444> _0x5eb_
1677 [15:18:53] <fnljk> hm, seems yet anothear disk-wiping utility, or guide for use possibly? If not included in standard repo, any reason to trust it more(and to remain as such) than the other tools; in terms of forensic-data recovery resilience, or for other areas in use related to securing eventual residual traces of sensitive data after use of ones gpgp keys?
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1687 [15:23:50] <fnljk> Could you also tell--assuming this would be somewhat relevant and justify its use, if non-default app especcialy- if any benefit in mounting VMs as such and emulate an ATA-drive, as it appears to depend on , in regards to ensuring forensic-data recovery prevention, and if you actually think it has any merit in comparison to the..for example specialized anti-forensic wiping utilities...
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1689 [15:25:11] <fnljk> I'm just a bit worried using non-default apps possibly each requiring active follow-up, and also lesser-known ones atleast if not proving efficient against the public forensic analysis tools.. unless there'd be some advantage forcing ATA disks for this all, for sake of that tool?
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1691 [15:25:27] <fnljk> Sorry--im very newb to deb & nix in general...
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1695 [15:27:11] <fnljk> Just, wish to feel safe about my gpg keys and their more-or-less remaining security,possibly seperating on different encrypted containiners, if to ever feel I can trust too much.. being newb and all, depending on these in presumed hostile environments (public wifi example), if compromised thru a simple neglectably unpatched vulnerabiliy, or something..sounds possible disaster..:z
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1699 [15:28:10] <nik_123roll> Hello guys can anyone help me in installing counter strike in debian
1700 [15:28:29] <fnljk> I thought basic things like..at least changing default location for keys, signs of them in the first place, some basic semi-automated steganographic methods and/or mounting encrypted containers to use them from by default, could be good common practice--given initial setup enabling some automation may not be too hard, or bad iidea?
1701 [15:29:01] <fnljk> nik_123roll: did you install steam ?
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1705 [15:29:18] <fnljk> nik_123roll: do you have desktop/gui ? logged on to steam...installing frmo there, bu getting X error, orrr
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1707 [15:29:25] <mingdao> fnljk: these questions are better answered by #gnupg and reading the GnuPG documentation
1708 [15:29:30] <nik_123roll> Yes I have gui
1709 [15:29:58] <rr4323> sir just joun the channel
1710 [15:30:05] <fnljk> oh.. thanks I asked in gnugpg but it was too much to answer at the time apparently. The documentation doesn't seem to mention much beyond the generation abnd use of the program I think
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1715 [15:31:22] <nik_123roll> Is it possible to play counter strike on debian
1716 [15:31:33] <fnljk> I wish to also ensure to continued protection of these keys, some intended eventually be used for signing texts I wish to hope remain some integrity of and not having accessible without my direct physical need for and control of.. but maybe its over-kill and paranoid witht hese measures...?
1717 [15:31:53] <fnljk> nik_123roll: pretty sure that's np. what hapepned when you tried install steam then..?
1718 [15:32:06] <fnljk> or, failing that, tried Wine..?
1719 [15:32:30] <towo`> CS don't need wine
1720 [15:32:40] <fnljk> Sorry im kinda big newb to nix in general myself raelly.. :z mostly only ever used terminal aswell. But given Steams extended Linux support, pretty sure shouldbnt be hard
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1722 [15:32:56] <towo`> and as long the problem is not described, no one will help
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1724 [15:33:24] <fnljk> yeah.cool..not me being confused and wondering if yet another thing im too newb to even understand what is meant with, then:P =)
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1726 [15:34:19] <fnljk> anyway....guess I'mm try hop onto some various container-encryption tools and stash at least some more-or-less trusted gpg keys on those, then... assuming that at least may not be futile/pointless , or anything..
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1729 [15:34:57] <nik_123roll> Ok thanks for your time I will try to install again and remember your advices
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1732 [15:35:12] <fnljk> just one more thing in this regards...after having been opebed for use, example signing a document, read frmo a temporarily mounted encrypted container... would there potentailly be residual sensitive data in RAM, or .. anywhere on disk as a consequence warranting a disk-wiping utilitty of sorts used?
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1736 [15:35:56] <fnljk> been opened for use * (enabled system read-access to, and read from()
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1740 [15:37:37] <fnljk> hmm...this gon be tricky for a nab, i guess....but guess imma be stuck trying to do some sort of analysis eventually, then..any changes as such, given ease of implementing some automation in these processes... would wanna ensure no leaks or anything , then
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1744 [15:38:18] <fnljk> ..orrrr.....considering so few replies, does it sound very over-kill or paranoid even-- for anyhting but exception cases at least..?
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1749 [15:40:36] <fnljk> Sorry,if my english is bad, of failed to express myself properly, or whatevear..... I just intend to feel safe about the integrity of my GPG-keys, of which I'll depend on following further download & install of programs with.. would have thought those being commonly used and treasured, if to trust ..
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1752 [15:41:50] <fnljk> ..as...it is idd commonly reccomended, seemingly, to verify downloads after completion to ensure authenticity corresponding with key signed by publisher at least.. and this being .. quite basic to anyone setting up a system with any data .. not wanting to be reckles with..?
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1754 [15:42:15] <fnljk> ..i thought it wasn't just me typically veriying DLs as such, but..been intendeding to get a habit of, as often strongly encouraged to!
1755 [15:42:22] <fnljk> typically not *
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1757 [15:44:48] <fnljk> May I ask do ppl commonly use GPG keys much at all...or is this just me giving this some thoughts as a potentially valuable tool to try automate and ease use of as much as possible? Seems safe and resilient,given recipient of messages would be equally equipped...
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1759 [15:45:43] <fnljk> ...surely "end to end encrypted" apps; as claimed by publisher anyway, imo. anyway...is stupid trusting for this reason--not doing it oneself, seemingly noone, almost..... enables a massive vulnerability among many ppl, trusting these words by randomers, id think..:d
1760 [15:45:46] <fnljk> but ye i dno..
1761 [15:46:09] <fnljk> simply adding some gpg msg inside such apps , too, if easy..can't hurt, eh
1762 [15:46:43] <fnljk> Anyway, if none do have info on use of, and eventual securing.......guess itll be one o fmy initial tasks for learning nix then... sounds trickty :d
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1766 [15:48:04] <TandyUK> hmm ok, anyoen had a realtek 8168 card killed by debian?
1767 [15:48:33] <TandyUK> i was somehow on stretch, updated last night, and after doing so have zero rx packetso n this nic (have swapped cables, switchh, etc)
1768 [15:48:54] <TandyUK> i had put it down to a bug in stretch, but now the jessie installer cant dhcp an ip, or ping anythign when manually set
1769 [15:49:01] <TandyUK> 4 other nics in the system are fine however
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1771 [15:51:01] <dvs> TandyUK, firmware iso?
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1774 [15:51:33] <TandyUK> just the standard 8.7.1 netinst
1775 [15:52:18] <dvs> TandyUK, I'm saying that you might have better luck with the firmware ISO. Sometimes the 8168 work without firmware but some only work with it.
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1777 [15:52:37] <TandyUK> well prior to 9pm last night, this worked fine for years lol
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1780 [15:53:41] <TandyUK> you got a link to 'firmware iso'?
1781 [15:53:58] <dvs> !tell TandyUK about firmware iso
1782 [15:53:58] <TandyUK> or do you just mean the full cd/dvd iso?
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1784 [15:54:13] <TandyUK> ty
1785 [15:54:28] <dvs> np
1786 [15:55:19] <seoner> Reading package lists... Done
1787 [15:55:19] <seoner> Reading package lists... Done
1788 [15:55:21] <seoner> Why do I get it twice?
1789 [15:55:49] <TandyUK> christ the firmware iso isnt exactly a lot bigger :P
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1797 [15:58:26] <seoner> maybe becouse I run 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' ?
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1799 [15:58:53] <TandyUK> tbh im leaning towards a buggered mobo, and just coincidental timing, as POST'ing is now taking a lot longer than it ought to
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1807 [16:03:19] <TandyUK> and i get the same problem with the firmware iso
1808 [16:03:31] <TandyUK> nic is just never recieveing any packets it appears
1809 [16:03:39] <TandyUK> switch is certainly sending them
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1834 [16:19:45] <nickenchuggets> morning
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1836 [16:20:28] <NapoleonWils0n> hi all
1837 [16:20:49] <SpeccyMan> afternoon
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1839 [16:20:59] <NapoleonWils0n> docker.io wont install for me on debian sid, progresbar gets stuck at 80%
1840 [16:21:15] <NapoleonWils0n> also gets stuck on creating docker group
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1871 [16:36:38] <fishbulb> hey if I'm installing something from github, how do I reverse the process if it doesn't work
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1873 [16:37:08] <nickenchuggets> AWS is interesting...
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1876 [16:37:37] <NapoleonWils0n> fishbulb manually remove everything probably
1877 [16:37:40] <nickenchuggets> I'm trying out the AWS trial thingy
1878 [16:38:15] <fishbulb> do you mean go back and look at EVERYTHING that was installed, and manually remove every part of it?
1879 [16:38:30] <fishbulb> surely there's a more automated way of undoing something you just did?
1880 [16:39:03] <NapoleonWils0n> nickenchuggets if you add ?torrent to the url of items in your amazon bucker they become torrents
1881 [16:39:12] <NapoleonWils0n> amazon works as the torrent tracker
1882 [16:39:30] <nickenchuggets> funky
1883 [16:39:52] <NapoleonWils0n> eg: replaced-url
1884 [16:40:03] <NapoleonWils0n> will turn the video link into a torrent
1885 [16:40:10] <mtn> fishbulb, was it a .deb?
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1887 [16:41:33] <NapoleonWils0n> it depends if it was a deb or if you downloaded source and did a make install
1888 [16:41:41] <Neobenedict> alright guys new challenge since the old one missed some things
1889 [16:41:57] <Neobenedict> i need to move some folders into a new directory, provided those folders contain a file with the extension .flac
1890 [16:42:02] <Neobenedict> how do i do that
1891 [16:42:17] <NapoleonWils0n> find and xargs
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1895 [16:43:54] <tw> ind . -name '*.flac' -exec 'dirname' {} \+ | sort -u | xargs mv -t destpath
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1897 [16:44:03] <Neobenedict> oh dirname
1898 [16:44:05] <Neobenedict> thanks
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1901 [16:44:21] <fishbulb> how do I add sudo
1902 [16:44:34] <Neobenedict> apt-get install sudo?
1903 [16:44:44] <tw> there's probably a way to do it in find without sort -u, but it's convenient that way.
1904 [16:44:53] <tw> may want to make sure . is not included first.
1905 [16:44:57] <NapoleonWils0n> then you should use visudo and add your self to the sudoers file
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1907 [16:45:38] <fishbulb> what's visudo and where is the sudoers file?
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1909 [16:45:54] <tw> if you use visudo, it doesn't matter where the sudoers file is.
1910 [16:46:07] <NapoleonWils0n> visudo will use the vi text editor to edit the sudoers file
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1914 [16:46:14] <Neobenedict> visudo is magic.
1915 [16:46:24] <NapoleonWils0n> so you need to learn how to use vi
1916 [16:46:34] <Neobenedict> export EDITOR=nano
1917 [16:46:36] <Neobenedict> no you don't
1918 [16:46:36] <Neobenedict> ;)
1919 [16:47:07] <fishbulb> I like nano
1920 [16:47:13] <NapoleonWils0n> true but its good to know how to use vi
1921 [16:47:32] <NapoleonWils0n> fishbulb vim is a much better editor than nano
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1923 [16:47:46] <fishbulb> stuff that works first
1924 [16:47:49] <BluesKaj> fishbulb, sudo visudo then add, username ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
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1926 [16:48:04] <zykotick9> fishbulb: note, if you install sudo, and add your user to the sudo group, then logout/backin sudo will work.
1927 [16:48:07] <fishbulb> the problem is I can't sudo
1928 [16:48:14] <zykotick9> BluesKaj: ^
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1934 [16:48:47] <Neobenedict> tw: that works up until | xargs mv -t destpath
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1936 [16:48:51] <fishbulb> how do I add my user to that group?
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1938 [16:48:54] <Neobenedict> which reports some error about mismatched quotes
1939 [16:48:59] <smhar> greetings
1940 [16:49:04] <Neobenedict> xargs: unmatched single quote; by default quotes are special to xargs unless you use the -0 option
1941 [16:49:05] <Neobenedict> mv: cannot stat ‘./12’: No such file or directory
1942 [16:49:09] <BluesKaj> fishbulb, then yourelf to the sudo group as root
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1944 [16:49:26] <zykotick9> fishbulb: as root "adduser YOURUSERNAME sudo" is one method.
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1946 [16:49:45] <NapoleonWils0n> should be username ALL=(ALL) ALL in sudoers
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1949 [16:49:49] <tw> Neobenedict: yeah, you'll have to get sort to output null terminated list entries. maybe tr '\n' $'\0' before mv?
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1952 [16:50:12] <smhar> I am trying to build a virtual LAMP server, I downloaded netinst iso and installed it in virtualbox, but I ended up with a 1.8GB of used space!!!
1953 [16:50:18] <Neobenedict> tr: when not truncating set1, string2 must be non-empty
1954 [16:50:22] <smhar> Am I doing something wrong?
1955 [16:50:28] <Neobenedict> tw: since all i'm doing is taring them anyway, i'll just output to a file
1956 [16:50:31] <Neobenedict> and tar -T file
1957 [16:50:32] <tw> Neobenedict: drop the $ perhaps? play with it.
1958 [16:50:33] <Neobenedict> or whatever the syntax is
1959 [16:50:43] <smhar> this is a headless, console mode server
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1965 [16:51:21] <fishbulb> what's the one command I type to add me as a user to the sudoer file
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1967 [16:51:41] <fishbulb> because I parsed those sentences and they still don't mean much to me
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1970 [16:51:50] <BluesKaj> fishbulb, username ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
1971 [16:51:53] <tw> fishbulb: sudo usermod -a -G sudo username
1972 [16:52:04] <NapoleonWils0n> replaced-url
1973 [16:52:14] <tw> Or I guess not sudo, since you don't have that yet ;)
1974 [16:52:19] <tw> but from root, you can do that.
1975 [16:52:21] <NapoleonWils0n> always read the manual :)
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1978 [16:52:54] <NapoleonWils0n> if your root drop the sudo from the command
1979 [16:53:17] <NapoleonWils0n> # usermod -a -G sudo username
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1982 [16:53:54] <Neobenedict> tw: is there a way to make that provide the top level directores only
1983 [16:54:07] <Neobenedict> ie atm i get ie /Album/Disc 1, /Album/Disc 2
1984 [16:54:14] <Neobenedict> when I just want /Album/
1985 [16:54:21] <NapoleonWils0n> you can change the depth of directorys it searchs with find
1986 [16:54:34] <Neobenedict> it needs to search full depth of all directories
1987 [16:54:34] <fishbulb> usermod -a -G sudo username ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL ?
1988 [16:54:34] <NapoleonWils0n> maxdepth i think it is
1989 [16:54:43] <tw> NapoleonWils0n: he wants "directories containing .flac files", max depth will mess that up.
1990 [16:54:43] <Neobenedict> but only provide the top level directory as a result
1991 [16:54:47] <fishbulb> that command?
1992 [16:54:47] <Neobenedict> yeah
1993 [16:55:00] <tw> fishbulb: no, omit everything after username
1994 [16:55:00] <Neobenedict> atm it'd miss say "Album/Artwork"
1995 [16:55:14] <Neobenedict> but if I can just cut off the stuff after the second slash that works too
1996 [16:55:25] <Neobenedict> through some other operator
1997 [16:55:27] <Neobenedict> command
1998 [16:55:28] <Neobenedict> w/e
1999 [16:55:53] <Neobenedict> and can | uniq it
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2001 [16:56:26] <tw> sed -e 's@\(./[^/]*\)/.*$@\1@'
2002 [16:56:28] <NapoleonWils0n> you can use sort with -u as well
2003 [16:56:30] <NapoleonWils0n> sort -u
2004 [16:57:24] <NapoleonWils0n> i love regexes, make sense when you write them, but a bugger to decypher later
2005 [16:57:25] <dontknow> how can someone write a code like "'s@\(./[^/]*\)/.*$@\1@'" WTF
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2007 [16:58:08] <tw> you're going to hate it more when you realize regexes in sed have different escape requirements than say javascript or python.
2008 [16:58:28] <NapoleonWils0n> bash pattern matches as well: @(http|https)://[a-zA-Z0-9:0-9./?=_@%-]*\.@(mkv|mp4|avi|flv)
2009 [16:58:30] <tomcres> I can make sense of it character-by-character, but looking at it all at once it just looks like terminal barf :-D
2010 [16:58:50] <tw> it is terminal barf.
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2012 [16:59:36] <Tom01> How can I install the latest Flash-Player on Debian 8?
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2014 [17:00:07] <NapoleonWils0n> isnt that like putting a turd in the punch bowl
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2017 [17:01:01] <NapoleonWils0n> doesnt google chrome have flash installed in the package
2018 [17:01:11] <NapoleonWils0n> chromiumm doesnt have flash but i think chrome does
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2022 [17:01:54] <Neobenedict> lmao
2023 [17:02:07] <Neobenedict> yeah flash seems to be broken atm
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2025 [17:02:15] <Neobenedict> installing it, at least
2026 [17:02:18] <BluesKaj> chrome has it's own plugin that seems towork
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2028 [17:02:38] <tomcres> you can always download the .tar.gz from Adobe and follow the instructions
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2030 [17:02:54] <fishbulb> can I just get the command to add myself to the sudoers file?
2031 [17:03:05] <fishbulb> assuming I'm root?
2032 [17:03:13] <BluesKaj> fishbulb, sudo visudo then add, username ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
2033 [17:03:28] <NapoleonWils0n> replaced-url
2034 [17:03:35] <tw> fishbulb: if you added yourself to the sudo group, it should just work now.
2035 [17:03:37] <zykotick9> BluesKaj: you can't use sudo to add a use to sudo...
2036 [17:04:00] <NapoleonWils0n> BluesKaj why the nopasswd
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2038 [17:04:11] <fishbulb> because he copy pasted something
2039 [17:04:21] <BluesKaj> sudo visudo works, try it zykotick9
2040 [17:04:22] <fishbulb> without any regard to the actual question
2041 [17:04:43] * zykotick9 doesn't have sudo on his system, so can't... but interesting. sorry, my bad.
2042 [17:05:22] <NapoleonWils0n> # apt get install sudo
2043 [17:05:28] <NapoleonWils0n> visudo
2044 [17:05:45] <NapoleonWils0n> username ALL=(ALL) ALL
2045 [17:05:53] <NapoleonWils0n> job done
2046 [17:07:13] <fishbulb> why isn't this enabled by default
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2048 [17:08:06] <zykotick9> fishbulb: the "sudo" group is enabled by default to use sudo, but you're using a different method...
2049 [17:08:11] <TandyUK> sudo isnt installed by default
2050 [17:08:18] <tw> it is if you don't set a root password when you install.
2051 [17:08:32] <tw> and it does automatically add your user to sudoers.
2052 [17:08:37] <TandyUK> tw: didnt even know that was an option lol
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2054 [17:08:54] <fishbulb> I put that anywhere in the file?
2055 [17:09:02] <tw> Bottom of the file, usually.
2056 [17:09:03] <fishbulb> username all
2057 [17:09:28] <tw> sudoers is evaluated in order.
2058 [17:09:34] <tw> Not that it matters in this case, but it may someday.
2059 [17:09:46] <BluesKaj> tw itdidn't auto add me to sudo when I installed stretch
2060 [17:10:06] <tw> You left the root password blank?
2061 [17:10:15] <BluesKaj> no
2062 [17:10:20] <tw> that's the precondition
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2066 [17:12:49] <AvatarA> seems people don't read the text in the installer steps
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2068 [17:13:33] <fishbulb> replaced-url
2069 [17:13:40] <fishbulb> that is able to just be installed
2070 [17:13:57] <fishbulb> it doesn't work though
2071 [17:14:24] <ompaul> apt-get install numix-gtk-theme doesn't work?
2072 [17:14:35] <fishbulb> sure doesn't
2073 [17:14:36] <TandyUK> you mean enter, enter, enter isnt right :P
2074 [17:14:50] <ompaul> fishbulb: which version of debian are you using?
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2076 [17:15:03] <fishbulb> the one probably everyone is
2077 [17:15:06] <ompaul> ,v numix-gtk-theme
2078 [17:15:07] <fishbulb> stable
2079 [17:15:08] <judd> Package: numix-gtk-theme on amd64 -- sid: 2.6.6-1; stretch: 2.6.6-1
2080 [17:15:09] <TandyUK> sory, enter, enter, setup netowrking, enter, enter, type pw, type user, tpye pw, enter, enter, enter
2081 [17:15:21] <ompaul> so it doesn't exist for stable it's only for the next release
2082 [17:15:28] <fishbulb> for fucks sake
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2084 [17:15:35] <ompaul> no, for real
2085 [17:15:37] <fishbulb> ok can I use backports
2086 [17:15:48] <TandyUK> fishbulb: TESTING
2087 [17:15:53] <TandyUK> use at your own risk lol
2088 [17:16:04] <fishbulb> where do I enable testing?
2089 [17:16:05] <ompaul> you can consider backports, what if it changes your local gtk and breaks the box
2090 [17:16:18] <tw> it's not in backports anyway.
2091 [17:16:22] <ompaul> you turn off stable and up it to stretch
2092 [17:16:24] <missmbob> ompaul: because of how that particular package is, you can just download the testing version online and then dpkg -i to install it without problems
2093 [17:16:30] <TandyUK> i have a dead fileserver here now because of some random thing stretch did to my nic lol
2094 [17:16:33] <fishbulb> I dunno. arch seemed to use all the latest stuff and I never broke anything
2095 [17:16:45] <TandyUK> they go use arch
2096 [17:16:54] <TandyUK> debian is known for lagging behind, usually deliberately
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2098 [17:17:06] <TandyUK> thats _WHY_ a lot of us prefer to use debian
2099 [17:17:08] <fishbulb> yeah and some things I want to be new
2100 [17:17:28] <fishbulb> how do I get this one?
2101 [17:17:32] <ompaul> fishbulb: find your own compromise and then live with the consequences. :-)
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2103 [17:17:36] <missmbob> fishbulb: i told you how
2104 [17:17:43] <TandyUK> then use testing, and dont whine when your system breaks completely without warning
2105 [17:18:01] <ompaul> you can't have your cake and eat it
2106 [17:18:03] <ompaul> so they say
2107 [17:18:04] <AvatarA> it won't break completely but you'll have more maintenance
2108 [17:18:05] <NapoleonWils0n> i use sid
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2110 [17:18:12] <fishbulb> is there a reason debian will break immediately and without warning if I use newer packages
2111 [17:18:29] <missmbob> fishbulb: did you see what i said? it wont in this case
2112 [17:18:31] <ompaul> NapoleonWils0n: as I have for so many years it scares me
2113 [17:18:32] <TandyUK> the clue is in the repo name no? TESTING / unstable
2114 [17:18:32] <fishbulb> like is there some secret debian reason that could happen?
2115 [17:18:45] <TandyUK> as in hasnt been fully tested and ready for release yet
2116 [17:18:58] <tw> It's not debian specific. If you mess up your libraries and they stop being the correct version, applications break.
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2119 [17:19:17] <AvatarA> new software = new bugs, short story; long story is longer
2120 [17:19:31] <fishbulb> I'm willing to take the gamble on some icons
2121 [17:19:33] <missmbob> fuck he just doesnt listen
2122 [17:19:44] <fishbulb> I'm listening to everything you are fucking babbling about
2123 [17:19:46] <TandyUK> let him find out the hard way
2124 [17:19:51] <BluesKaj> fishbulb, think you need to do some of your own research or go back to arch if it's so damn wonderful
2125 [17:19:55] <TandyUK> you have a backup of the stuff on your system right fishbulb
2126 [17:19:56] <ompaul> fishbulb: you get to choose but be warned if you continue with that path someone here when it is too late will tell the bot to tell y0ou this
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2128 [17:20:03] <AvatarA> icons, cursors and stuff like that I would just copy to my home directory where it should be, not install .debs
2129 [17:20:03] <ompaul> !dontbreakdebian
2130 [17:20:04] <dpkg> rumour has it, dont break debian is replaced-url
2131 [17:20:14] <NapoleonWils0n> arch is great but takes time to set up
2132 [17:20:18] <tw> fishbulb: you can just install the package from sid, like missmbob said.
2133 [17:20:20] <missmbob> "dont break debian" doesn't apply to THIS package
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2135 [17:20:31] <ompaul> fishbulb: you can do many things to before it breaks - but when you do then you are on your own
2136 [17:20:45] <fishbulb> how do I install it from sid please
2137 [17:20:54] <Tom01> Google Chrome Flash works. Thanks.
2138 [17:20:55] <missmbob> fishbulb: download from replaced-url
2139 [17:21:11] <Tom01> although I would prefer Firefox
2140 [17:21:19] <NapoleonWils0n> i see you can also use apt to install debs which is pretty cool
2141 [17:21:33] <fishbulb> thanks
2142 [17:21:34] <NapoleonWils0n> and it will pull in the dependencies
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2144 [17:21:42] <TandyUK> fishbulb you read the DontbreakDebian page you were linked right?
2145 [17:21:49] <TandyUK> whats youre about to do comes under point number 1
2146 [17:22:02] <missmbob> TandyUK: NOT for *this* package. god
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2148 [17:22:31] <fishbulb> yeah I totally fed the.. monkeys.. like you said
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2150 [17:22:44] <TandyUK> you hope ;)
2151 [17:23:01] <NapoleonWils0n> fishbulb you only have to worry when they start throwing their poo at you
2152 [17:23:10] <NapoleonWils0n> monkeys are known to do that
2153 [17:23:12] <TandyUK> it shoudltn, but random bugs are random ;)
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2155 [17:23:29] <fishbulb> I'm going with frustrated angry guy
2156 [17:23:41] <ompaul> fishbulb: have you read what missbob told ya?
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2159 [17:24:10] <fishbulb> what missmbob said the only thing I'm paying attention to actually
2160 [17:24:12] <ompaul> fishbulb: also read the page I pointed you too for other works
2161 [17:24:26] <NapoleonWils0n> always better to have an understand of how something works than just running commands
2162 [17:24:55] <fishbulb> it always is, and I'm sure you learned all of debian immediately
2163 [17:24:58] <ompaul> fishbulb: what looks like mission creep to you looks like complete breakdown in logic to most people here when something appears to be small and breaking your machine
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2166 [17:25:25] <NapoleonWils0n> im always rtfm first
2167 [17:25:26] <ompaul> fishbulb: no, in fact I know what I don't know. That gives me some advantages.
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2169 [17:25:48] <fishbulb> never try anything?
2170 [17:25:52] <fishbulb> ok
2171 [17:25:52] <ompaul> game set and match to dontbreakdebian next time
2172 [17:26:27] <TandyUK> try stuff as you wish, just make sure yo uhave a backup of anything important firt :)
2173 [17:26:30] <NapoleonWils0n> sometimes breaking stuff is a good way to learn, as long as you figure out how to fix it
2174 [17:26:30] <TandyUK> first*
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2177 [17:26:57] <ompaul> or as we say in other places
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2179 [17:27:05] <ompaul> It really depends on what you care about.
2180 [17:27:08] <fishbulb> I see that missmbob has stopped even responding, is it possible that your insistence that this will break EVERYTHING has annoyed him
2181 [17:27:22] <ompaul> that was not what was claimed, nor said.
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2184 [17:27:40] <ompaul> Your claim is wrong.
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2186 [17:27:45] <TandyUK> no said it WILL
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2188 [17:27:53] <NapoleonWils0n> its always good idea to double check from other sources what a command will do
2189 [17:27:56] <TandyUK> you were just warned to be aware of the fact it _could_
2190 [17:28:08] <ompaul> What was said - it might - if it does and you did it through a random deed you may be on your own.
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2192 [17:28:13] <NapoleonWils0n> like 2nd opinion from a doctor
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2196 [17:29:01] <fishbulb> my username isn't in the sudoers file still
2197 [17:29:06] <ompaul> NapoleonWils0n: when asked for a second opinion, I offered the person they were ugly also --- oh how we laughed
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2199 [17:29:18] <NapoleonWils0n> lol mate
2200 [17:29:39] <ompaul> fishbulb: have you a root password or did someone else set the machine up - the first user is a sudoer if the box was set up with it
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2202 [17:29:47] <NapoleonWils0n> fishbulb you need to edit the sudoers file with visudo and add your user to the sudoers file
2203 [17:29:52] <ompaul> if you don't have a root password
2204 [17:29:58] <ompaul> and you are not in the sudoers file
2205 [17:30:06] <ompaul> you might ask whomsoever set the box up
2206 [17:30:11] <fishbulb> I do, that's apparently why sudo isn't here
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2208 [17:30:27] <TandyUK> so apt-get install sudo first ;)
2209 [17:30:31] <ompaul> or
2210 [17:30:32] <ompaul> su -
2211 [17:30:40] <TandyUK> after su - to get to a root prompt
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2213 [17:30:47] <NapoleonWils0n> or ad your user to the sudo group
2214 [17:30:48] <ompaul> do the wget thing and dpkg -i
2215 [17:30:53] <NapoleonWils0n> # usermod -aG sudo username
2216 [17:31:07] <ompaul> sudo -l removes root iirc
2217 [17:31:13] <ompaul> I could be corrected on that
2218 [17:31:14] <fishbulb> username is my username right
2219 [17:31:23] <ompaul> use
2220 [17:31:23] <NapoleonWils0n> yes fishbulb
2221 [17:31:25] <ompaul> yes
2222 [17:31:44] <NapoleonWils0n> so as root do: usermod -aG sudo fishbulb
2223 [17:31:56] <NapoleonWils0n> or whatever you username is
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2225 [17:32:25] <NapoleonWils0n> so steps are 1: apt install root 2: usermod -aG sudo username
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2227 [17:32:33] <NapoleonWils0n> apt install sudo
2228 [17:32:39] <NapoleonWils0n> for 1
2229 [17:32:54] <fishbulb> it says myusername is not in the sudoers file
2230 [17:32:55] <ompaul> I keep forgetting that apt is now a command
2231 [17:33:02] <ompaul> almost 20 years of happy down the drain
2232 [17:33:05] <fishbulb> after that command NapoleonWils0n
2233 [17:33:21] <NapoleonWils0n> yes sorry mate 1: apt install sudo
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2235 [17:33:29] <fishbulb> yes I did that of course
2236 [17:33:30] <NapoleonWils0n> 2: usermod -aG sudo username
2237 [17:33:54] <TomTomTo1> you have to log out afterwards.
2238 [17:34:07] <fishbulb> ah right.
2239 [17:34:10] <steven___> q
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2241 [17:34:16] <NapoleonWils0n> do a reboot to be sure
2242 [17:34:44] <fishbulb> and then it still uses the root password for sudo
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2244 [17:35:01] <NapoleonWils0n> no you use your own password with sudo
2245 [17:35:13] <NapoleonWils0n> not the root password
2246 [17:35:21] <fishbulb> I thought that was the point of sudo
2247 [17:35:34] <fishbulb> going superuser for just that command
2248 [17:35:42] <NapoleonWils0n> no the point is so you dont have to use the root password
2249 [17:36:15] <NapoleonWils0n> yes it give your elevated permissions, but you have added yourself to the sudo group
2250 [17:36:28] <NapoleonWils0n> so you can use your password and not the root password
2251 [17:36:50] <NapoleonWils0n> that way if you have lots of users on the system you give them sudo permissions and not the root password
2252 [17:36:51] <BluesKaj> NapoleonWils0n, I missed your questio about no password, ...I was assuming hew wanted to run sudo without having to use his pw everytime
2253 [17:37:19] <majorgeek> sudo -i
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2255 [17:37:42] <NapoleonWils0n> i do like the sudo insults
2256 [17:37:43] <fishbulb> that is the worst idea ever
2257 [17:37:59] <NapoleonWils0n> fishbulb you mean about sudo
2258 [17:38:12] <fishbulb> about using no password for root commands
2259 [17:38:26] <majorgeek> you can make an alias
2260 [17:38:31] <NapoleonWils0n> ah right yes thats why i didnt recommend you do that
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2262 [17:38:52] <fishbulb> did you give me the command which did that?
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2267 [17:39:41] <NapoleonWils0n> no i didnt give you command to do that. the command i gave you will add you to sudo group and then you use your password with sudo
2268 [17:39:46] <majorgeek> my password is 64 chars
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2271 [17:40:01] <NapoleonWils0n> majorgeek man after my own heart
2272 [17:40:03] <majorgeek> imagine having to type it ever time
2273 [17:40:06] <tw> you've got a lot of time to type if you aren't using smartcard login XD
2274 [17:40:13] <fishbulb> ok it should be done, cheers
2275 [17:40:27] <NapoleonWils0n> fishbulb do a rboot and you should be good to go
2276 [17:40:49] <NapoleonWils0n> majorgeek apg for generating passwords :)
2277 [17:40:56] <BluesKaj> majorgeek, must have some importnt data to protect
2278 [17:41:20] <majorgeek> nop i just like it when hacker wast their time
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2281 [17:43:35] <BluesKaj> methinks there's too much Mr Robot in some peoples lives :-)
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2293 [17:45:33] <ompaul> fishbulb: Debian provides more than a pure OS: it comes with over 43000 packages, precompiled software bundled up in a nice format for easy installation on your machine. we can't know all the things - we are not here paid by anyone - but we can show you how to find things and how to survive this landscape it won't bend to you, you must bend to it. :-)
2294 [17:45:37] <NapoleonWils0n> i like to use unbound for dns adblocking
2295 [17:46:02] <ompaul> the first page of replaced-url
2296 [17:46:11] <NapoleonWils0n> very zen mate
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2300 [17:46:59] <ompaul> NapoleonWils0n: I'm in my fifties and I've been doing freesoft ware as my main home computer since 93
2301 [17:47:02] <NapoleonWils0n> i wont use closed source on principle
2302 [17:47:23] <ompaul> I don't say closed source I'll say proprietary ;-)
2303 [17:47:33] <NapoleonWils0n> im a few years behind you mate :)
2304 [17:47:42] <ompaul> nice clean line in the sand :-)
2305 [17:47:43] <NapoleonWils0n> not by much though
2306 [17:47:53] <ompaul> some will say how closed is closed
2307 [17:47:59] <ompaul> it's closed ain't it :-)
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2309 [17:48:11] <NapoleonWils0n> i have mac osx on external drive, when i boot it up i just stare at it
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2312 [17:48:46] <lmw> Hi
2313 [17:48:48] <TomTomTo1> and it stares back?
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2315 [17:49:00] <nik_roll> Yo
2316 [17:49:02] <BluesKaj> I discovred Linux shortly after retirement in '99 ...was a windows guy on the job for many yrs before that
2317 [17:49:05] <NapoleonWils0n> no i cover the webcam with electrical tape
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2324 [17:50:37] <nik_roll> Hey guys can you suggest me any orc channel for kernel programming with active user
2325 [17:51:00] <nik_roll> Irc channel
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2327 [17:51:39] <lmw> I have a weird issue when I try to start xorg using startx as a normal user: (EE) modeset(0): drmSetMaster failed: Permission denied and (EE) AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0
2328 [17:51:52] <lmw> I just have installed xorg and openbox and tried to start it as a normal user
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2330 [17:51:56] <lmw> How do I solve this?
2331 [17:52:22] <NapoleonWils0n> i use i3wm and xorg and havent had that issue
2332 [17:52:40] <nik_roll> Can you see the permission on your home dir
2333 [17:52:42] <lmw> It doesn't matter what WM I use, I only get this error when not running as root
2334 [17:52:47] <nik_roll> Check it
2335 [17:53:02] <lmw> My permissions are set to go-rwx
2336 [17:53:32] <NapoleonWils0n> permissions on what mate
2337 [17:53:38] <NapoleonWils0n> on /
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2339 [17:53:47] <lmw> WHat?
2340 [17:54:07] <nik_roll> No your home directory and xauth*file
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2343 [17:54:25] <NapoleonWils0n> missed that on you home i see
2344 [17:54:32] <lmw> As I already said: go-rwx in my home dir (so srwx------
2345 [17:54:38] <lmw> And I don't have any xauth file
2346 [17:54:53] <lmw> *drwx------
2347 [17:55:10] <NapoleonWils0n> do you have a ~/.xinitrc
2348 [17:55:14] <lmw> Yes
2349 [17:55:20] <lmw> It contains "exec openbox"
2350 [17:55:21] <nik_roll> Dude try ls -la on home directory
2351 [17:55:42] <NapoleonWils0n> do you have anything else in your ~/.xinitrc
2352 [17:55:43] <lmw> .xinitrc and .Xauthority
2353 [17:55:49] <lmw> NapoleonWils0n: no
2354 [17:56:15] <NapoleonWils0n> ah thats your problem mate
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2357 [17:56:24] <NapoleonWils0n> have a look at my ~/.xinitrc
2358 [17:56:26] <NapoleonWils0n> replaced-url
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2360 [17:56:57] <NapoleonWils0n> copy the default xinitrc to your home
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2362 [17:57:17] <NapoleonWils0n> cp /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc ~
2363 [17:57:25] <lmw> Well, it worked fine without any .xinitrc before ... after I got a xorg update
2364 [17:57:43] <NapoleonWils0n> lmw you got it working then
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2366 [17:57:48] <lmw> Well, it worked fine before without any .x* or .X* files until I got a xorg server update ...
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2374 [17:59:00] <lmw> brb
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2381 [18:01:57] <lmw> back
2382 [18:02:12] <lmw> I have tried your .xinitrc and the default one from /etc/X11 and I still get the same error
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2385 [18:05:37] <lmw> replaced-url
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2389 [18:09:03] <missmbob> lmw: dpkg -l dbus
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2391 [18:10:21] <lmw> not installed
2392 [18:10:40] <missmbob> lmw: not sure how the hell that happened. install it
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2395 [18:10:55] <lmw> I did it now and tried startx again
2396 [18:11:00] <lmw> failed
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2400 [18:11:27] <missmbob> lmw: is dbus running? you might have to manually start it
2401 [18:11:45] <lmw> It's already running
2402 [18:11:52] <missmbob> new pastebin
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2404 [18:12:33] <lmw> It's the same output, no need for a new one
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2427 [18:26:11] <DrBunsen> Hello, I have been thinking of buying a new videocard, and I read that AMD has opensource drivers that are as good as the closed source ones. Does anyone have any experience with this? Currently I have a nvidia card, but the opensource driver is definitely not comparable with the close source driver.
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2434 [18:27:34] <mtn> DrBunsen: nvidia has much better support for linux
2435 [18:27:45] <AvatarA> if you play games you're going to want closed source for sure
2436 [18:27:59] <AvatarA> no matter if AMD or nvidia
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2438 [18:28:51] <AvatarA> and with closed source, nvidia seems to be a better choice
2439 [18:29:05] <AvatarA> and amd a better choice for open source
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2441 [18:30:02] <DrBunsen> mtn: still? I thought this had changed?
2442 [18:30:05] * zykotick9 notes that AMD is only "open source" and NOT free. 3d requires a proprietary blob :(
2443 [18:30:21] <mtn> DrBunsen: amd has dropped linux support for most cards
2444 [18:30:32] <mtn> DrBunsen: replaced-url
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2448 [18:32:17] <majorgeek> mad also dropped support for windows
2449 [18:32:26] <majorgeek> amd
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2454 [18:33:20] <majorgeek> im stuck with a beta version
2455 [18:33:23] <DrBunsen> Thanks for the responses, so it means I do not really have a choice but pick nvidia?
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2458 [18:34:17] <majorgeek> they just did one release of crimson and droped the ball
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2461 [18:34:29] <sleepster> is there an installer image I can use for a bare bones debian install?
2462 [18:34:35] <sleepster> basically nothing except the core components
2463 [18:34:40] <majorgeek> im never going to buy another AMD card
2464 [18:35:22] <mtn> sleepster: all the installers will allow you to do a basic install. not sure if it is basic enough for you
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2467 [18:35:46] <DrBunsen> reading this I think the RX 460 looks quite ok? replaced-url
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2469 [18:36:16] <AvatarA> if you want the total minimum you can just use a live image and do everything manually, partition and all that stuff and then use debootstrap command
2470 [18:36:32] <majorgeek> there should be a law that if the vendor stop supporting a piece of hardware they should have to release the code for thirty party's to continue support
2471 [18:37:22] <DrBunsen> majorgeek: can't you just use an older driver package and pin it?
2472 [18:37:42] <majorgeek> for how long?
2473 [18:38:11] <majorgeek> im going to use an outdated OS?
2474 [18:38:20] <majorgeek> that still supports it
2475 [18:38:39] <DrBunsen> if the driver is opensource can't you compile it yourself?
2476 [18:38:40] <GreyHazRoot> anyone have an idea why Alfa card AWUS036NH isn't being recognized on Jessie/BunsenLabs?
2477 [18:38:40] <tw> you would if you were a windows user. They're still wanting to run win7.
2478 [18:38:41] <majorgeek> i guess thats why somany are still using windows xp
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2480 [18:39:01] <majorgeek> is the driver opensource?
2481 [18:39:46] <DrBunsen> Were you using the prop?
2482 [18:39:51] <GreyHazRoot> majorgeek: if you're talking to me, it's suppose to be plug-n-play
2483 [18:40:30] <majorgeek> actually have that card on windows 10 machine
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2485 [18:41:07] <majorgeek> navidea supports its cards alot longer then AMD
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2487 [18:41:42] <DrBunsen> I know, I have a card from 2012 that is still supported
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2489 [18:42:11] <majorgeek> think 2006
2490 [18:42:21] <majorgeek> at least 10 yeas
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2492 [18:42:35] <majorgeek> years of support is what one should expect
2493 [18:43:02] <tw> what is this, a govt contract? =p
2494 [18:43:04] <majorgeek> and after they should release it so thirth partys keep continue extended support
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2500 [18:44:12] <tw> Their future codebase is built on the same software platform, that's not a reasonable expectation unless they can lock you out of the hardware with security like secureboot.
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2504 [18:45:12] <majorgeek> so thats makes it easy for them to continue to support old hardware
2505 [18:45:38] <majorgeek> they just dont do it because they want you to buy newones
2506 [18:45:56] <AvatarA> not really easy cuz they have to adapt the drivers to changes in the OS
2507 [18:46:04] <tw> It's a cost they don't have to incur. It's well out of the support period for hardware unless you're paying for extended support. As an enterprise you could buy that support -- this is how enterprise hardware works.
2508 [18:46:13] <AvatarA> like let's say adapt driver to changes in Xorg server
2509 [18:46:21] <tw> But I'm branching into OT territory, so I will stop now.
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2512 [18:48:30] <majorgeek> is there a given number of years they are abide by law to support a piece of hardware?
2513 [18:48:56] <majorgeek> i suppose not thats who google gets away with out updating android
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2515 [18:49:40] <majorgeek> if you and new android you need to buy new phone
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2518 [18:50:13] <OerHeks> good point, tw
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2525 [18:51:16] <majorgeek> android that was supposed to be open source
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2529 [18:53:42] <OerHeks> "openstandard" majorgeek, but you are way offtopic
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2545 [19:00:07] <lmw> I have fixed my Xorg issue :)
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2548 [19:00:24] <Neobenedict> in a terminal, lets say my output is "foo . bar"
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2550 [19:00:35] <Neobenedict> what can i pipe it into to only print what's after the .
2551 [19:00:40] <Neobenedict> so ". bar"
2552 [19:00:44] <Neobenedict> or " bar"
2553 [19:00:46] <Neobenedict> either is the same to me
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2556 [19:01:32] <yukip> sed
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2561 [19:02:34] <yukip> or grep
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2563 [19:02:53] <mfranzwa> solid answers. he speaks the truth
2564 [19:03:05] <Neobenedict> i need an example
2565 [19:03:14] <Neobenedict> sed regex is different to anything i know
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2567 [19:03:31] <missmbob> ##sed is the place for that
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2571 [19:06:10] <[jasper]> hej guys, I have a debian docker which is having some issues with the cronjobs...for some reason they keep failing with the following message: /bin/sh: 1: root: not found
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2573 [19:06:40] <[jasper]> when I run crontab -e this is the contents: /bin/sh: 1: root: not found
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2575 [19:06:50] <[jasper]> replaced-url
2576 [19:07:41] <[jasper]> so all the hourly crons fail.....the only one that succeeds is ./learnspam.sh..... but that fails initialy also...but for some mysteriour reason it's run again 5 minutes later and then succceeds...
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2579 [19:08:48] <[jasper]> can anyone explain why the learnspam.sh would run twice within 5 minutes after eachother?
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2583 [19:09:49] <tw> [jasper]: my guess is you are putting it in a user crontab and it is also in /etc/crontab
2584 [19:09:58] <yukip> [jasper]: sudo nano /etc/crontab
2585 [19:10:14] <[jasper]> this is the contents of /etc/crontab
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2587 [19:10:39] <[jasper]> crontab -e shows system wide right?
2588 [19:10:44] <Neobenedict> did it using awk
2589 [19:10:53] <yukip> remove the #
2590 [19:11:04] <yukip> in the middle
2591 [19:11:22] <tw> crontab -e does not show system wide
2592 [19:11:29] <tw> it shows root's user crontab, which is different.
2593 [19:11:53] <missmbob> and you shouldn't use username in user cron
2594 [19:12:05] <tw> ^- that's the tell from your error message
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2603 [19:16:43] <[jasper]> thx tw, yukip. think this solved it
2604 [19:16:55] <[jasper]> both /etc/crontab and crontab -e were identical in this docker contaoiner
2605 [19:16:59] <[jasper]> so kinda confused me
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2650 [19:39:09] <Tom01> How is Debian 9 testing running. Stable enough for everyday usage?
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2655 [19:41:09] <SynrG> testing is still testing, with all the problems that come from running testing.
2656 [19:41:59] <lmw> Tom01: Testing still has some problems, but stable enough if you know how to fix broken things
2657 [19:42:15] <SynrG> as it always has been
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2660 [19:43:48] <missmbob> 230 RC bugs to go
2661 [19:44:15] <lmw> I' running testing on my desktop ... and didn't got any crash or broken stuff yet ... except xorg ... but I think this was myself with my stupidness with apt :D
2662 [19:44:21] <lmw> * I'm
2663 [19:45:51] <yukip> i think beta distros always have had xorg problems in the past
2664 [19:46:05] <yukip> ubuntu did i remember
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2667 [19:46:21] <SynrG> testing is not a "beta" in the usual sense of that word.
2668 [19:46:41] <yukip> if only people would just make their code perfect before merging, jk
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2671 [19:47:07] <lmw> yukip: I have fixed my broken xorg by installing additional drivers :)
2672 [19:47:44] <lmw> I think --no-install-recommends isn't really needed anymore in the 21st century
2673 [19:48:09] <yukip> did you people hear about intel intigrating amd gpu's into their cpus
2674 [19:48:24] <yukip> should fix the drive problems then
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2676 [19:48:36] <yukip> for amd gpus
2677 [19:49:56] <towo`> which driver problems?
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2679 [19:50:08] <towo`> and why should it fix them?
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2690 [19:53:54] <yukip> have to use closed source
2691 [19:54:06] <yukip> intel's gpu drivers are open, and work great
2692 [19:54:09] <towo`> does not answer anything
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2694 [19:54:41] <yukip> [jasper], said he needed to install drivers to get it to work...
2695 [19:54:44] <towo`> all intel graphics since skylake are needing non-free firmware too
2696 [19:54:51] <yukip> oh
2697 [19:54:55] <yukip> didn't know that
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2699 [19:55:10] <towo`> and amd gpus are well supported in linux
2700 [19:55:16] <yukip> yes...
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2723 [20:11:16] <likcoras> Hi, what's the point of weechat-scripts package/how do I get weechat to use those instead of downloading them again from the website?
2724 [20:11:46] <somiaj> likcoras: do you have those same scripts included in your $HOME/ dir?
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2729 [20:12:11] <likcoras> Oh, so I'd need to copy them from /usr/share/weechat to $HOME/.weechat/ ?
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2731 [20:12:35] <somiaj> unsure exactly, but you may need to tell weechat to load them, or if you have them in $HOME, it will most likely use the user version over the system one.
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2733 [20:12:49] <somiaj> you can also see if /usr/share/doc/weechat-scripts has any info
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2735 [20:13:32] <likcoras> I checked, only had a changelog and license info
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2738 [20:14:49] <likcoras> Ah, that worked, thanks.
2739 [20:15:01] <somiaj> yea unusre if those scripts will load automatically, or if you need to tell weechat to load them or copy them to $HOME
2740 [20:15:19] <somiaj> if you make links over copying them, then you get the upgrades without having to recopy
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2743 [20:16:28] <likcoras> oh right, did not think of that.
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2782 [20:37:02] <cleancode> can someone plz help me with chroot problems in an LUKS environment ? have issues with some important binaries, that are recognized as "data" only
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2792 [20:42:59] <awal1> exim4, or any other mail transfer agent, is needed for internal (local - root / standard user) mails, eh?
2793 [20:43:39] <awal1> if not I'l disable it
2794 [20:43:41] <somiaj> exim4 should have a local option, but yes lots of older stuff still assums you have a working mail system, even if it is only local.
2795 [20:43:46] <somiaj> this is getting less common
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2798 [20:46:10] <awal1> if i disable exim4 service, I'll not get local mails (/var/log/messages)?
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2800 [20:46:49] <awal1> when I'm in shell upgrading or something I get " you have a new mail" or something like that, Well I nerver really check them
2801 [20:47:14] <awal1> so without exim4 I'll not get that advise?
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2804 [20:48:09] <awal1> I dont use exim4 or somethng similar for anything
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2836 [21:02:07] <awal1> for my personal mail I use a web browser or mutt, for report bugs smtphost bugs.debian.org; so exim4 is just there...
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2853 [21:09:46] <razer_> I'm having some trouble getting Debian setup on my external hard drive on my Macintosh.
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2856 [21:10:25] <razer_> I got it installed using the standard image, but the Macintosh does not detect the installation as bootable.
2857 [21:11:28] <razer_> I then found the Macintosh ISO and copied that to my USB jump drive to install from that, but the Macintosh does not find that USB flash drive to be bootable then if I copy the Macintosh Debian ISO to it instead of the regular Debian ISO.
2858 [21:12:03] <razer_> I tried the testing and 8.7.1 ISO
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2860 [21:12:24] <BluesKaj> razer_, where did you install grub during the install?
2861 [21:12:53] <razer_> I did tell it where to install grub, but I believe it is not working because it installed it to the external hard drive.
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2864 [21:13:14] <razer_> Sorry, I mean to say "I did not tell it where to install grub".
2865 [21:13:55] <BluesKaj> thenmake the external the first in the boot sequence in the BIOS or whatever mac calls it
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2869 [21:14:54] <BluesKaj> you didn't see the option then
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2871 [21:15:28] <BluesKaj> I'll bet grub is on the external
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2879 [21:18:19] <razer_> BlueKaj, I can't choose the external drive as the startup disk in system preferences. It is not an option. I have to select it by pressing the option key during boot and selecting the drive there, but it is not displaying with Debian installed to it.
2880 [21:18:42] <BluesKaj> razer_, here's how to access the Mac equivalent of BIOS , replaced-url
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2883 [21:19:27] <razer_> BlueKaj, is this a workaround or the way it is supposed to work?
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2886 [21:20:04] <razer_> I know SUSE for example makes the installation EFI bootable. Perhaps the Macintosh version of the ISO also does that.
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2888 [21:20:16] <razer_> Or, there is an option during setup that I missed like you said.
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2895 [21:22:24] <BluesKaj> razer_, think it depends on which install method you use, I always choose the regular default/text option since the gui method tends to fail on this old pc
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2897 [21:22:37] <razer_> I used the text install/default
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2904 [21:24:48] <AndroUser> Did some used Debian as a hipervisor for KVM? Is it stable?
2905 [21:25:11] <towo`> there is no hipervisor
2906 [21:25:13] <BluesKaj> ok , I guess debian didn't see the Mac drive as an option to install grub
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2908 [21:25:39] <towo`> and debian can be the hos vor KVM
2909 [21:25:44] <towo`> *host
2910 [21:26:00] <razer_> What does the Macintosh version of the ISO do?
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2913 [21:26:51] <AndroUser> Oh. So I can't put KVM over Debian
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2915 [21:27:18] <tw> you can. It can either be KVM host or guest.
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2918 [21:27:49] <razer_> debian-mac-8.7.1-amd64-netinst ; debian-mac-testing-amd64-netinst ; These wouldn't even boot so I could install
2919 [21:28:56] <BluesKaj> deoes mac have the option to boot from a usb?
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2921 [21:29:36] <BluesKaj> or boot into a usb with live media on it
2922 [21:29:45] <razer_> Yes, I just hold the option key and it will boot show usb devices I can boot from. That is how I boot the Debian USB jump drive to install.
2923 [21:30:54] <somiaj> BluesKaj: many macs don't support legacy boot afiak, and debian live images don't support efi boot.
2924 [21:31:13] <BluesKaj> did you say there's an special debian iso for mac
2925 [21:31:21] <razer_> BlueKaj, yes
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2927 [21:31:48] <razer_> BlueKaj, but the special debian iso for mac is the one that won't boot on mac, only the regular one will.
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2929 [21:32:10] <AndroUser> Hmm. Than is recommended to have it as a host? I try to get my web server and file server in two separate virtual machines. So two Deabians over one... Make sense? I need to know if is stable and worth going forward with this structure.
2930 [21:32:26] <razer_> And I used that regular ISO to install Debian on my external hard drive, but then the Macintosh doesn't see that as a bootable device.
2931 [21:32:54] <somiaj> AndroUser: doesn't matter, you can use debian host with debian guests, or another host. Your call.
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2934 [21:33:20] <somiaj> AndroUser: and yes, qemu-kvm works fine here for guests.
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2938 [21:35:52] <AndroUser> Thanks got more confidence. Probably I smell like a beginner in this
2939 [21:36:18] <razer_> The netinstall is really nice to copy fast. It only takes 17 seconds or so to use dd to copy to USB
2940 [21:36:35] <razer_> I used to hate the dd tool because it would take a long time. Also have to use rdisk for raw
2941 [21:36:38] <BluesKaj> razer_, did you consider installing the debian/mac iso on a partition on the mac hdd?
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2943 [21:36:42] <razer_> and bs=1m
2944 [21:36:45] <AntoineLive> Hi
2945 [21:37:14] <AntoineLive> I have a problem with debian, i have install ftp package but when i connect on ftp server, debian don't ask me to give the user and pass
2946 [21:37:25] <AntoineLive> and if i do a command he ask me: Not connected
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2948 [21:37:40] <AntoineLive> I'm not an expert on debian :/ :)
2949 [21:37:52] <razer_> BlueKaj, no. So, install the iso to a partition on a drive that is formatted for mac with an EFI already on it.?
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2954 [21:39:11] <BluesKaj> razer_, no, think you would need to use legacy mode
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2956 [21:39:56] <BluesKaj> and use an ext4 partition
2957 [21:40:08] <razer_> BlueKaj, I'm not familiar with that.
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2959 [21:40:18] <Bliepo> Looking for a Riser card that allows to transfrom one x16 PCIE slot to 4 x4 PCIE slots but I cannot find any... Do these even exist?
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2962 [21:40:38] <user_> Hi
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2964 [21:41:02] <dean_> user: Hi!!
2965 [21:42:11] <BluesKaj> razer_,my nick is BluesKaj , not BlueKaj, I'm not feeling blue, but I di feel the blues
2966 [21:42:25] <BluesKaj> do
2967 [21:43:42] <razer_> BluesKaj: Ah, ok.
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2971 [21:45:07] <BluesKaj> thanks razer_ , in your options/bios there should be a boot mode called legacy instea of EFI...try that
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2973 [21:45:29] <BluesKaj> instead of
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2975 [21:47:57] <razer_> The only other solution may be to install reFIND. That isn't how it's supposed to work though
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2978 [21:48:56] <BluesKaj> razer_, so there's no legacy mode in your options ?
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2980 [21:49:39] <razer_> I think it doesn't exist, or I don't know how.
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2996 [21:54:54] <BluesKaj> razer_, replaced-url
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2999 [21:56:01] <BluesKaj> razer_, ignore that url, it's not correct
3000 [21:56:02] <razer_> BluesKaj, That doesn't talk about a Macintosh I don't think.
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3007 [21:57:47] <BluesKaj> razer_, I'm out of ideas , can't seem to find anyuthing relevant
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3010 [21:58:15] <razer_> BluesKaj, I'll have to try installing reFIND and see if it detects the Debian install on the external drive.
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3012 [21:58:32] <razer_> I wish I knew more about that Debian Macintosh ISO though
3013 [21:58:43] <razer_> This doesn't work: replaced-url
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3015 [21:58:54] <BluesKaj> razer_, like here ? replaced-url
3016 [21:59:39] <razer_> Yes, that.
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3018 [22:00:25] <BluesKaj> razer_, could be your only option remaining
3019 [22:00:56] <razer_> It shouldn't be necessary though. I think Debian should be able to do this differently. I know SUSE was.
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3022 [22:01:28] <razer_> But I can't use SUSE because it isn't supported by AMD.
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3025 [22:02:25] <BluesKaj> amd not supported by suse?
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3027 [22:02:52] <razer_> The proprietary GPU drivers stopped supporting SUSE.
3028 [22:03:22] <BluesKaj> ahh the gpu
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3030 [22:03:23] <rubin110> If I have this in my sources.list, I take it that means I'm more or less on experimental, correct?
3031 [22:03:26] <rubin110> replaced-url
3032 [22:04:00] <missmbob> !experimental
3033 [22:04:00] <dpkg> experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. replaced-url
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3035 [22:04:23] <rubin110> missmbob: I'm asking for some clarificaiton on how sources.list works.
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3038 [22:04:59] <razer_> But, SUSE knows how to install on a Macintosh. Once installed to an external drive it is bootable.
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3040 [22:05:14] <zykotick9> rubin110: also, using "testing" isn't great form... it's better to use codenames.
3041 [22:05:31] <rubin110> Ok.
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3043 [22:05:37] <missmbob> rubin110: it means you have experimental sources. it doesnt mean you're using experimental.
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3046 [22:05:59] <rubin110> I've inherited this box from someone else and am cleaning house.
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3053 [22:08:48] <rubin110> Thanks for the information.
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3063 [22:11:07] <Razva> I've used the ZFS-RAID1 install method (2x400gb SSD), everything looks fine, BUT I don't know if Proxmox really did what it was "supposed" to do. at this point each node in the cluster has a "local" and "local-zfs" Storage, each having the size of the 400gb. now...how is this possible? I'm really not familiar with ZFS, but it looks like Proxmox just used a
3064 [22:11:07] <Razva> disk for "local" and another disk for "local-zfs"? here's the df -h: replaced-url
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3069 [22:11:48] <Razva> or maybe I'm just wrong and not understanding ZFS correctly?
3070 [22:12:10] <RAWs_Ghost> heyyo someone just told me its not important to encrypt / or swap. wtf?
3071 [22:12:23] <towo`> Razva, and maybe with proxmox you are in the wrong channel
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3073 [22:12:50] <Razva> towo`: well, Proxmox is kinda "based" on Debian so that's why I'm asking..
3074 [22:12:56] <SerajewelKS> !based on debian
3075 [22:12:56] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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3077 [22:14:27] <Razva> I fully understand. still, as nobody is "alive" in the official Pmx channel, maybe you can take a look...? :\
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3079 [22:14:43] <SerajewelKS> ZFS isn't even in debian
3080 [22:14:58] <missmbob> Razva: it says "please respect our choice"...so you dont understand or didn't read
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3082 [22:15:13] <SerajewelKS> the odds of someone here knowing how ZFS works on your distro are very small
3083 [22:15:15] <Razva> ok, thanks anyway
3084 [22:15:23] <Razva> understood :)
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3086 [22:15:40] <SerajewelKS> RAWs_Ghost: whether you should encrypt / or swap depends on what you're doing
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3089 [22:16:02] <Razva> have a great evening, cheers
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3095 [22:19:06] <RAWs_Ghost> serajewelKS well, nothing too important on the Debian partitions. email. running VMs. logging in to institutional resources. certainly nothing remotely shady that I can think of, but probably lots of passwords, and I want my /home partition to be invulnerable, preferably
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3171 [22:59:21] <janne_> when add linux log terminal software?
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3174 [23:00:07] <janne_> i ask this question!
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3177 [23:00:49] <lmw> janne_: What do you mean?
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3183 [23:02:09] <OerHeks> terminal log? type 'history' ( but root actions are not logged)
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3186 [23:02:43] <OerHeks> lmw, i think that is what janne_ asks, not sure about that in broken english
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3189 [23:03:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> thought they all spoke splendid english in finland
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3192 [23:03:44] <OerHeks> We only know caveman-english in NL
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3194 [23:04:18] <basdb> anyone else running into "ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR" via Chromium on any Google-based site? "Version 56.0.2924.76 Built on 8.7"
3195 [23:04:51] <janne_> all computer live program and site history and web site surfing history! Terminal Command history?
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3197 [23:05:10] <CutMeOwnThroat> not right now, no
3198 [23:05:31] <OerHeks> basdb, read those errors before, delete ~/.config/chromium could be your fix too
3199 [23:06:25] <missmbob> basdb: make sure your computer's time is syncd
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3202 [23:06:49] <CutMeOwnThroat> There was a thing in chromium that root certificates would expire some fixed time after build… but that probably shouldn't be a protocol error anyway
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3204 [23:07:17] <janne_> server log book. Anyway?
3205 [23:07:32] <basdb> hah, just removed the config entry -- now I can't restore as I can't log into my google account :D
3206 [23:07:35] <CutMeOwnThroat> and well done OerHeks, seems that was the question… or not… meh. who can tell.
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3208 [23:08:00] <basdb> just a big ol' "SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR" message upon sign-in. I've kicked ntpd to update system time several times now :/
3209 [23:08:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> the google account doesn't have a password?
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3211 [23:08:26] <basdb> CutMeOwnThroat: the sign in page is just the error page. I can't access anything on any google domain.
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3213 [23:08:40] <henkla> janne: vad försöker du fråga?
3214 [23:08:54] <CutMeOwnThroat> ah
3215 [23:08:54] <lmw> Is your ca-certificates package up to date, basdb ?
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3219 [23:09:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, versions chromium
3220 [23:09:21] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1; stretch: 55.0.2883.75-6; jessie-security: 56.0.2924.76-1~deb8u1; sid: 56.0.2924.76-3
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3223 [23:10:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> looks like you have the current version
3224 [23:10:29] <basdb> ca-certificates is the newest version: 20141019+deb8u2
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3226 [23:11:16] <basdb> guess I'll just use iceweasel for now, that isn't having any issues
3227 [23:11:21] <basdb> so this is chromium specific :/
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3231 [23:11:56] <CutMeOwnThroat> hm, I'm not up to date wit the version, though
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3233 [23:12:24] <lmw> judd, versions ca-certificates
3234 [23:12:26] <judd> Package: ca-certificates on amd64 -- wheezy: 20130119+deb7u1; jessie: 20141019+deb8u2; sid: 20161130; stretch: 20161130
3235 [23:12:30] <CutMeOwnThroat> google's also offereing packages for chrome
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3242 [23:13:52] <basdb> I'll try the google chrome .deb package then and see what I get. fwiw also blew away ~/.cache/chromium
3243 [23:13:57] <basdb> no luck :(
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3247 [23:14:32] <basdb> son of a gun the .deb package works.
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3249 [23:15:01] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's pretty much separate in everything
3250 [23:15:05] <CutMeOwnThroat> so it should
3251 [23:15:16] <basdb> thanks for the suggestion, much appreciated CutMeOwnThroat
3252 [23:15:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> you could try chromium from a completely fresh account
3253 [23:15:22] <missmbob> basdb: chromium runs in the background, right? did you make sure you completely closed it?
3254 [23:15:25] <CutMeOwnThroat> instead of removing more random config files :)
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3256 [23:15:58] <basdb> missmbob: yeah closed, removed (purged), and reinstalled
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3260 [23:17:21] <CutMeOwnThroat> but have you checked there's not one chromium process left… running
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3265 [23:18:43] <AvatarA> probably this replaced-url
3266 [23:18:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> sleep. nn
3267 [23:19:21] <missmbob> no, google does not use symantec certificates on their sites. heh
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3269 [23:19:56] <AvatarA> I hit the problem occasionally with Symantec certificates, but never happened on google
3270 [23:21:02] <basdb> truth be told, I did not check if any processes were still running, though fwiw this problem persisted after reboot as well. booted into windoze for a sanity-check.
3271 [23:21:32] <missmbob> basdb: yeah but we dont know when. after you checked the time, after you checked cache, etc.
3272 [23:21:57] <lmw> Google has its own CA :)
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3320 [23:43:52] <basdb> fair enough. there are no processes running matching chromium, I tried reinstalling still getting the issue
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3322 [23:44:04] <basdb> but I'll just stick to using the .deb package of chrome which seems to be working.
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3324 [23:44:46] <AvatarA> so what site specifically doesn't work for you?
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3327 [23:45:06] <AvatarA> like, youtube.com?
3328 [23:45:15] <Razva> in this scenario - replaced-url
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3338 [23:49:27] <CeBe> Razva: from what I see in the screenshot I'd say in sda and sdb
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3340 [23:49:49] <Razva> CeBe: agreed, but check this out please replaced-url
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3344 [23:50:53] <CeBe> well... the question is why did it fail. any way to get more information than that?
3345 [23:51:23] <Razva> I'm using the GUI so...no idea?
3346 [23:51:39] <CeBe> I never used the gui :)
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3348 [23:52:37] <Razva> do I need to set sda/sdb as bootable?
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3350 [23:52:43] <Razva> or the / partition?
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3353 [23:54:08] <CeBe> Razva: could be that you need to have /boot outside of the lvm, but that is only a guess
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3356 [23:54:22] <Razva> I don't have any /boot partition
3357 [23:54:30] <CeBe> maybe you should have one
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3359 [23:54:36] <Razva> ah, ok
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3361 [23:54:58] <CeBe> I ususally have /boot on a separate partition on raid1 without lvm
3362 [23:55:05] <CeBe> that could be a problem, I don't know
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3378 [23:59:05] <user1> .
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