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• 73[00:24:28] <locrian9> Is it a common thing when you install Debian that the 'sources.list' for apt-get only lists the local DVD as the source? The only uncommented repo sources in 'sources.list' are 'deb replaced-url
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• 79[00:26:56] <locrian9> When I'm trying my 'apt-get install sudo' it's saying 'Media change: please insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 8.7.1 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20170116-11:01'
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• 84[00:28:10] <teraflop> locrian9: depending on the media you used and the installation mode, yes it is possible
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• 86[00:29:48] <nguyenphi> Can i use this guide to setup wifi on debian? replaced-url
• 87[00:30:11] <nguyenphi> Or do i need to modify something?
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• 89[00:30:23] <nguyenphi> This guide work perfectly on arch
• 90[00:30:45] <bazhang> what version of debian nguyenphi
• 91[00:31:10] <nguyenphi> bazhang: stretch or jessie whatever
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• 93[00:31:28] <bazhang> nguyenphi, which one
• 94[00:31:37] <nguyenphi> bazhang: stretch
• 95[00:31:48] <nguyenphi> bazhang: so it different by version?
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• 98[00:32:52] <bazhang> nguyenphi, different versions have differing support venues
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• 102[00:33:20] <nguyenphi> bazhang: i have already tried with jessie but the system said counldn't found the inteface
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• 104[00:33:51] <nguyenphi> bazhang: in /var/run i couldnt see the wpa_supplicant
• 105[00:34:05] <nguyenphi> bazhang: only networkmanager preinstalles
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• 107[00:34:30] <nguyenphi> bazhang: I want to use i3wm and not DE
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• 109[00:35:01] <bazhang> nguyenphi, this is debian you are using, not ubuntu?
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• 112[00:35:15] <nguyenphi> bazhang: yes debian
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• 114[00:35:32] <nguyenphi> bazhang: ubuntu just install everything
• 115[00:35:34] <bazhang> !stretch
• 116[00:35:35] <dpkg> The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: replaced-url
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• 118[00:35:43] <teraflop> nguyenphi: systemd-networkd works in debian jessie, and you have wpa_supplicant too, idk how reliable is systemd-resolved in jessie though
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• 120[00:36:21] <teraflop> nguyenphi: anyway whats wrong with NM? nmtui works great
• 121[00:36:56] <nguyenphi> teraflop: i want sth simpler and, with terminal
• 122[00:37:05] <teraflop> ^
• 123[00:37:16] <teraflop> tried nmtui?
• 124[00:37:34] <teraflop> it's in Networkmanager
• 125[00:37:38] <nguyenphi> teraflop: you mean nmcli?
• 126[00:37:40] <teraflop> no
• 127[00:37:45] <teraflop> I meant nmtui
• 128[00:37:55] <nguyenphi> teraflop: sr i'm noob what is it
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• 130[00:38:04] <tomcres> TUI = text user interface
• 131[00:38:16] <tomcres> curses frontend
• 132[00:38:23] <nguyenphi> My bad
• 133[00:38:39] <teraflop> nguyenphi: great for tiling thingies imo
• 134[00:38:50] <teraflop> i3wm and things like that
• 135[00:38:58] <nguyenphi> I was trying to call the cli inteface with nmcli in the arch wiki
• 136[00:39:10] <nguyenphi> But nothing work
• 137[00:39:13] <teraflop> it's nmtui though
• 138[00:39:19] <nguyenphi> I thought it is the same in debian
• 139[00:39:37] <nguyenphi> teraflop: i will try it
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• 141[00:41:13] <nguyenphi> Is there a guide to use it? teraflop
• 142[00:41:31] <teraflop> nguyenphi: just type nmtui
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• 144[00:43:03] <nguyenphi> Side question
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• 147[00:43:14] <nguyenphi> Should i use jessie or stretch?
• 148[00:43:18] <dza> how come a postgresql-9.6 package could depend on packages newer than they are in jessie/stable ?
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• 150[00:44:13] <teraflop> nguyenphi: up to you, stretch is frozen and it will become the next stable though
• 151[00:45:04] <TomTomTo1> dza: describe what you are doing. where is that package from? what command did you run? also paste the output of apt-cache policy postgresql-9.6 to paste.debian.net please.
• 152[00:45:25] <nguyenphi> TomTomTo1: thank you
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• 154[00:46:07] <TomTomTo1> no, thank you! ^^
• 155[00:46:12] <teraflop> hehe
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• 157[00:46:43] <dza> TomTomTo1: just 'apt-get install postgresql-9.6' and then 'postgresql-common (>= 171~) but 165+deb8u2' among others that are clearly newer than what jessie provides.
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• 160[00:47:19] <TomTomTo1> dza: because that package is not in jessie. that's why i asked you for more information.
• 161[00:47:35] <dza> TomTomTo1: oh. why does it show in apt-cache?
• 162[00:47:59] <TomTomTo1> i could tell you if you give me the information i asked for D:
• 163[00:48:12] <qmr> why am I getting asked questions about paper size and assorted bs by installer. o_O that did not happen with last installation
• 164[00:48:15] <teraflop> paste apt-cache policy postgresql-9.6 ^
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• 168[00:49:00] <dza> TomTomTo1: sry replaced-url
• 169[00:49:26] <TomTomTo1> dza: you need to use -t jessie-backports when installing from backports.
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• 174[00:50:07] <dza> TomTomTo1: ah ok. will look into it. sry for not pasting I had a bad sleep and feel a bit off.
• 175[00:50:08] <tomcres> e.g., apt -t jessie-backports install postgresql
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• 224[01:09:55] <n-iCe> Hello guys, how do I make in display settings to use the other monitor in the left and not as a mirror
• 225[01:09:58] <n-iCe> since both displays show the same screen
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• 227[01:11:11] <gry> arandr can do that for you
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• 230[01:12:04] <n-iCe> I can't with the xfce default "display" menu, right?
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• 241[01:18:00] <f4cl3y> n-iCe: first grep for the output name using xrandr -q and then xrandr --output <SecondaryOutput> --left-of <PrimaryOutput>
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• 246[01:19:44] <n-iCe> f4cl3y: arandr can do it with gui, thanks, just was wondering if display has that option, thanks.
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• 254[01:21:16] <f4cl3y> n-iCe: You're welcome :)
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• 263[01:30:56] <foul_owl> Hi folks. If I'm doing something like sudo vim /etc/nginx/sites-available/foo.com.conf, I would really love to have tab autocompletion, especially typing out extremely long paths. I can sudo without a password. Any way to convince my shell to autocomplete once I start off with sudo? Running zsh. Thanks!
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• 301[02:00:35] <dTal> dza: you mean a shell variable?
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• 305[02:01:15] <dza> dTal: I meant to ask this in #bash I think I should get some sleep lol
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• 309[02:01:39] <dza> dTal: but yes it was a shell variable :)
• 310[02:01:55] <dTal> printf "%q" $var perhaps?
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• 312[02:02:32] <dza> dTal: thats exactly what I was looking for neat sir
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• 314[02:02:53] <dTal> phear my guglefu
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• 317[02:03:53] <dTal> !next
• 318[02:03:53] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
• 319[02:04:52] <dza> dpkg: no no I'll stay if u don't mind
• 320[02:04:52] <dpkg> dza: are you using Windows?
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• 328[02:06:34] <dza> dpkg: only if I have to
• 329[02:06:34] <dpkg> dza: I give up, what is it?
• 330[02:06:54] <dza> dpkg: youre a bot
• 331[02:06:54] <dpkg> dza: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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• 333[02:07:13] <dTal> actually I find the !next thing kind of obnoxious but I'd never done it before so meh
• 334[02:07:16] <dTal> yolo
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• 336[02:07:26] <dza> pretty neat dpkg wasn't taken hehe
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• 355[02:24:24] <qmr> ... why is the installer asking me about printer paper ???
• 356[02:24:42] <qmr> it did not do this on my previous install. I have openssh server and 'standard' selected in tasksel
• 357[02:25:03] <qmr> it's also asking me about font tuning
• 358[02:26:31] <qmr> also a bunch of bs about apt-listchanges
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• 381[02:48:39] <awal1> have you selected printer server?
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• 384[02:49:33] <awal1> qmr, jessie or stretch?
• 385[02:49:39] <qmr> awal1: jessie
• 386[02:49:47] <qmr> awal1: no I have not selected printer server
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• 402[02:54:54] <qmr> I'm skipping "standard" on this install to see if anything changes
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• 405[02:56:48] <hmuller> dpkg-reconfigure takes options and package names. but it also takes functions? keyboard-reconfigure (not a package), any pointers to where I can learn what other 'functions' it takes?
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• 413[03:01:07] <Bird|otherbox> so, I'm using Logrotate 3.11.0 from Debian testing to try to rotate a rather annoying log file that the creating app (NWN's Linux client) brain-damagedly truncates on startup. It used to seem to work OK, but now whenever I try to run NWN twice in the same day, I get a "destination already exists, skipping rotation" error. I'm invoking logrotate as '/usr/sbin/logrotate -f ./nwn_logrotate.ini -s ./nwn_logrotate.status' to invoke it, and
• 414[03:01:08] <Bird|otherbox> nwn_logrotate.ini looks like replaced-url
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• 418[03:03:45] <pfred1> hmm 17MB of logs that's not too bad
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• 424[03:05:25] <qmr> awal1: beep
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• 429[03:08:08] <b0t> Hello, how to setup a external email account on debian? I create a email account in a hostgator cpanel, and need use this on my vps
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• 431[03:09:46] <awal1> qmr, I have no clue. I don't think that installing system standar utilities will cause your "issue". at least not here
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• 440[03:14:07] <b0t> I need reinstall exim4
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• 442[03:15:49] <b0t> Package exim4 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
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• 446[03:17:32] <awal1> apt-get update && apt-get --reinstall install exim4
• 447[03:17:37] <awal1> ,v exim4
• 448[03:17:38] <judd> Package: exim4 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.80-7+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 4.80-7+deb7u4; jessie-security: 4.84.2-2+deb8u2; jessie: 4.84.2-2+deb8u3; jessie-backports: 4.88-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.88-5; sid: 4.89~RC4-1; sid: 4.89~RC5-1
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• 462[03:22:27] <b0t> No work, E: Package 'exim4' has no installation candidate
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• 464[03:25:18] <b0t> My /etc/apt/sources.list are empty
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• 472[03:27:39] <b0t> Ok this answer solve my problem replaced-url
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• 486[03:39:00] <HellTiger_NB> this might sound like a simple question, but i wasnt able to google a terminal ftp client with "file exchange protocol". is there any?
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• 498[03:46:48] <heston> helldorado, lftp
• 499[03:46:57] <tw> lftp is the only one I know of, too.
• 500[03:47:49] <heston> cURL
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• 505[03:48:32] <heston> there's a few replaced-url
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• 511[03:49:55] <heston> hmm actually cURL doesnt
• 512[03:50:51] <EMPixie> wget?
• 513[03:51:26] <tw> not for fxp.
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• 852[04:28:52] <locrian9> Is it a common thing when you install Debian that the 'sources.list' for apt-get only lists the local DVD as the source? The only uncommented repo sources in 'sources.list' are 'deb replaced-url
• 853[04:28:59] <locrian9> When I'm trying my 'apt-get install sudo' it's saying 'Media change: please insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 8.7.1 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20170116-11:01'
• 854[04:30:04] <Raineer> that happens on my recent install but I installed from the DVD set so it made sense
• 855[04:30:41] <amb1t10us> !leftturn
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• 858[04:31:40] <jimm> did you guys have any net trouble a few mins ago? I couldn't get in because the user limit didn't get bumped
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• 860[04:32:44] <locrian9> Raineer: Yes, I was just wondering. Since I did downloaded the DVD Disk#1 of the Jessie 8.7.1 iso (via bittorrent), and installed, I would think that they would have the default repos set.
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• 862[04:33:34] <Raineer> it probably is the default set, it's looking for the disk you used to install it
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• 865[04:34:13] <Raineer> there's a lot of the usual packages on those DVDa
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• 867[04:34:22] <nguyenphi> I used nmtui to connect to wifi network, i already set the connection activated but my lap still can not connect to internet, what will i do?
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• 869[04:35:13] <locrian9> Yeah, I was just trying to get the base config setup, and then start 'apt-get install' on whatever I needed.
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• 873[04:38:20] <locrian9> It's just a little bit strange that they don't have a 'sources.list' setup with targets to their software host as default. I'm sure I'll get yelled at here in a bit.
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• 878[04:40:53] <locrian9> When you get the install completed, and you have the prompt, I guess first instinct is to 1.) Setup the firewall 2.) apt-get update 3.) apt-get install sudo 4.) Then start the apt-get install 'everything else you need'.
• 879[04:41:22] <locrian9> It sucks to get stuck on step#2.
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• 905[05:02:43] <dsx> hi. how to properly ship systemd .timer files in packages?
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• 907[05:03:15] <dsx> dh_systemd_enable seems to care only about .service and .tmpfile units in debian/ directory
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• 917[05:12:41] <green-forest> hi hello can someone please tell me how to delete my keyring file so I no longer have to deal with that annoying keyring screen I can't fix?
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• 928[05:22:09] <dvs> keyring screen?
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• 936[05:31:17] <green-forest> yeah the default keyring
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• 938[05:31:55] <green-forest> when i first saw it it asked me to enter in a new 'default' pw and I did now I see it again and again and it tells me the pw is incorrect
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• 959[05:48:35] <fnljk> changing nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf and after reboot its back to what it used to be. any idea how to make changes persistent? thks
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• 966[05:52:54] <tsuyubo> change it with chattr
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• 968[05:53:25] <fnljk> tsuyubo: huh? was that to me? (sry im big newb to Linux ingenreal btw..)
• 969[05:53:34] <somiaj> fnljk: usually the network manager or tool that configures your network configures them. Configure things to set them properly with dhcp, or use something like openresolv or resolvconf to configure them.
• 970[05:53:42] <somiaj> so what do you use to configure your network?
• 971[05:54:09] <fnljk> yeah cool, guy in ##linux just gave me a hint for using chattr... whatever that is, will look more into that
• 972[05:54:16] <introom> how to run iproute2-4.9 on wheezy? I've updated the wheezy kernel to 4.9
• 973[05:54:23] <fnljk> uhh, not sure really...quite basic/standard setup of Debian so far so the default Id think
• 974[05:54:33] <tsuyubo> fnljk: yes, but i just heard it
• 975[05:54:41] <somiaj> I woudln't use chattr, that is just a strange way to get around the problem, also please dont' cross post, annoying to those helping if you are getting it elsewhere at the same time.
• 976[05:55:05] <somiaj> fnljk: cat /etc/network/interfaces do you have your interface configured there using dhcp, if using dhcp, it sets the nameservers from the dhcp requests
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• 978[05:56:48] <tsuyubo> somiaj: I think you are right
• 979[05:56:52] <fnljk> yeah, I think "[..] iface eth0 inet dhcp" , but I was hoping to replicate this config for use on some dedicated- & vps- servers (rented, managed remotely), which I presume may differ in that way.. unsure.. (being assigned a static IP rather).. hmh..
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• 981[05:58:14] <somiaj> fnljk: so this uses dhclient, you can configure dhclient to use specific nameservers and not get them from the dhcp request in /etc/dhclient/ or somethign like that
• 982[05:58:29] <somiaj> you'll have to check the manpage on how to get dhclient to set a set ip and not get the one from the dhcp server
• 983[05:58:49] <fnljk> hm..oh.. k.. will try..! Thanks!
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• 990[06:02:48] <tsuyubo> I have a question to disturb you also.I have recompiled two new kerenl -4.10.rc7 and rc8
• 991[06:03:28] <tsuyubo> but one can boot, the other fail to boot
• 992[06:03:42] <fnljk> while kinda newb to Linux in general... think it'll be a good idea to install the.. uh, seemingly helpful programs like "debian-goodies", "apt-utils", "hardening-wrapper" and such? Apparently adding some useful additions,and adding to security.. unsure if would over-complicate things somehow for a n00b like me, though..
• 993[06:03:45] <somiaj> and? You are compiling these yourself? Did you check for differences in the config?
• 994[06:04:08] <green-forest> anyone here know about how to remove the default keyring so it won't be a requirement?
• 995[06:04:41] <tsuyubo> somiaj: yes, there are too many configure...
• 996[06:05:19] <tsuyubo> when boot,It shows:
• 997[06:05:41] <somiaj> tsuyubo: this isn't the best place to try to debug issues with compiling your own kernels. And it has been a while since I have compiled kernels, but check the differences in their config files and see what you need.
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• 1000[06:06:42] <tsuyubo> AlTER..,..UUID.. DOES NOT EXIST ..
• 1001[06:06:55] <tsuyubo> hm....
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• 1003[06:07:14] <tsuyubo> I have googled a lot ,
• 1004[06:07:29] <somiaj> UUID is the id of a file system, sounds more like a grub configuation
• 1005[06:07:52] <tsuyubo> yeah,so i come to ask here
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• 1008[06:08:43] <tsuyubo> replaced-url
• 1009[06:09:01] <tsuyubo> Could you look at it?
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• 1013[06:11:18] <tsuyubo> Maybe i am wrong to do sth, first i modify grub/grub.cfg copy menuentry
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• 1015[06:11:51] <tsuyubo> then update-grub
• 1016[06:11:59] <somiaj> I dont' think you shoudl be managing grub.cfg
• 1017[06:12:17] <somiaj> it says at the very top of the file, # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE, and runging update-grub will overwrite any changes
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• 1019[06:12:36] <somiaj> anyways, not sure what the problem is, but you need to figure out what UUID it is complaing about, and compare it to the UUID's on your system.
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• 1021[06:14:14] <tsuyubo> but i can boot it before copy menuentry,
• 1022[06:14:42] <tsuyubo> i know to do so is have trouble
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• 1031[06:23:31] <heston> tsuyubo, your fstab might be broken
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• 1036[06:25:09] <heston> though if it's just a different kernel and the same filesystem I suppose that couldnt be the case
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• 1046[06:33:26] <green-forest> thanks
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• 1068[06:43:17] <vahe> hi, how to create image on Usb flash uefi ? cp linux.iso /dev/sdX ?
• 1069[06:43:47] <vahe> or dd if=linux.iso of=/dev/sdX
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• 1121[07:21:27] <mms_> if I have cron job for user and then remove user from cron.allow will the job still continue to run ? I suppose it will keep running.
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• 1125[07:25:05] <somiaj> mms_: from man crontab, it appears that only allows/restricts use of the setuid command crontab, it shouldn't affect any existing crontab
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• 1127[07:25:44] <somiaj> mms_: you can check this by looking in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/
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• 1129[07:26:31] <mms_> somiaj: meaning if there is file for user in that dir it will continue to run ?
• 1130[07:26:53] <somiaj> correct, and you can check that it is there. If you also want to get rid of the jobs, you'll have to remove the file
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• 1132[07:27:03] <somiaj> but the user shouldn't be able to edit that file anymore
• 1133[07:27:04] <mms_> somiaj: got it thanks.
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• 1135[07:28:12] <foul_owl> Hi folks. If I'm doing something like sudo vim /etc/nginx/sites-available/foo.com.conf, I would really love to have tab autocompletion, especially typing out extremely long paths. I can sudo without a password. Any way to convince my shell to autocomplete once I start off with sudo? Running zsh. Thanks!
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• 1137[07:29:36] <somiaj> foul_owl: does your user not have the ability to read that location, what does ls /etc/nginx/sites-available give?
• 1138[07:30:13] <somiaj> foul_owl: i.e. is this an issue with your user not being able to read the file system you want to use tab-completion on?
• 1139[07:30:19] <somiaj> (well filetree)
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• 1160[07:52:01] <SimonFinkel> CIRCUMCISION: THE TORTURE IN HIS BONES replaced-url
• 1161[07:52:11] <SimonFinkel> Torture and mutilation of another human being. Utterly appalling treatment of an infant.
• 1162[07:52:36] <nkuttler> !ops ^^
• 1163[07:52:36] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: nkuttler complains about: ^^
• 1164[07:53:05] <SimonFinkel> They're talking vile Hebrew as they sexually mutilate this innocent infant boy.
• 1165[07:53:08] <SimonFinkel> That's fucking sick.
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• 1187[08:04:29] <heraldii> /amsg The baby is in extreme anguish as these Hebrew sadists continue fucking up his penis with zero mercy shown. replaced-url
• 1188[08:04:54] <heraldii> Wrong chan.
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• 1193[08:08:42] <fnljk> Hi. When I rent VPS/Dedicated servers online, I'd typically specify simply "OS Selection: Debian 8 (Jessie)", but often the resulting OS, or parts of it anyhow, comes out different than how it appears if I install a plain Deb8 VM on my own computer. I wish to make a duplicate of the server as a VM on my own comp for testing things before doing it on the remote server,
• 1194[08:09:06] <fnljk> is there a somewhat easy way to "image" the server to get the exact copy of it, or would that create problems somehow?
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• 1196[08:09:30] <fnljk> By different I mean, some things seems to be pre-installed already for example.. I'm not really sure. Unfortunately I'm a newb to Linux in general too.. :s
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• 1200[08:10:28] <nkuttler> fnljk: i use config management for that, but you can also use your own installer images on aws for example
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• 1203[08:11:21] <nkuttler> fnljk: i think ansible is the easiest config management tool around
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• 1205[08:11:26] <fnljk> oh.. sorry if this is basic; wht do you mean by "config management"? Assuming not all providers have the same "OS image" they load on the servers by default, any way I could.. copy, more or less, the servers config/setup somehow?
• 1206[08:11:42] <fnljk> oh..noto sure what that is, but heard the name soem times now...! Will check that out some more, thanks!
• 1207[08:12:27] <somiaj> fnljk: what is your goal, to have an exact copy or just the same software locally?
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• 1211[08:13:41] <fnljk> mmh.. maybe not exact copy, assuming many configuration errors then possibly.. but the software and such yeah , would help alot
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• 1213[08:14:51] <fnljk> I want to be able to try , on my own computer, have a VM to replicate the actual server where I install, launch, or play around with different configurations before doing it on the server (mainly as I'm kinda newb, and afraid to keep locking myself out (like, blocking remote access..banning myself, or.. stuff like that, heheh..)
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• 1219[08:16:48] <fnljk> any way to get a VPS/Dedicated servers "Debian 8" (which clearly (?) is NOT the standard one (current .iso) which'd be provided by the official debian.org site) list of "non-standard" software installed, or anything like that..? It seems to be implemented some way I can't easily (being a newb) back-track, I can't view .bash_history-log and check for "apt-get install .." records for example (as I'd
• 1220[08:16:58] <fnljk> ..if someone had actually manually installed this softare as such one by one.)
• 1221[08:17:37] <Logg> get any server with debian installed, then change sources.list how you like
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• 1223[08:18:33] <Logg> If you don't have that amount of access, it's not your server and you shouldn't pay for it
• 1224[08:18:34] <somiaj> !aptitude clone
• 1225[08:18:34] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
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• 1227[08:18:38] <fnljk> oh.. I didn't ensure sources.list is the same on these things...good idea! .. thought they were; or that I'd notice if not (from the scrolling text doing "apt-get update .. " and such), but.. could be that could clarify some things!
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• 1229[08:19:06] <somiaj> fnljk: read that or look at apt-clone, there are various ways to clone a list of packages from one install to another. Note if your vps uses custom packages this will fail without access to those custom packages.
• 1230[08:19:18] <fnljk> hm, interesting,too... thanks somiaj! ..hmm! Also these things, I think, may seem interesting for other uses as well, such as some kind of backup, and similar purposes, and may be good to know
• 1231[08:19:26] <fnljk> k..many thanks guys! cool
• 1232[08:19:36] <somiaj> fnljk: once you get the same packges you can copy the config files over. Note this is not the same as getting an exact image of the vm, which may require contacting your provider
• 1233[08:19:38] <locrian9> What's the list of steps one should 'generally' try to setup on a Debian install? I'm asking since I encountered a 'gotcha' when installing Debian Jessie 8.7.1 the other day. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was trying to install the simplist base system by doing the following, and got stuck without the 'sources.list' being setup. 1.) Downloaded the Debian DVD#1 Jessie torrent file. 2.) Used 'rtorrent' t
• 1234[08:19:44] <locrian9> o download and assemble the .iso file. 3.) ran the 'dd' command to copy the image onto a USB stick. 4.) Installed the base system. 5.) Only chose the 'ssh server' as my only additional binary 6.) System started up with a prompt. 7.) logged in as root. 8.) Tried to issue 'apt-get update', and it tried to look for the DVD instead of going out to Debian's repo via internet.
• 1235[08:20:16] <fnljk> somiaj: k. many thanks-once more,and rest of ya..I'll try...! :-]
• 1236[08:20:48] <Logg> @locrian9 you're good until step 8. make sure to edit sources.list and get rid of the dvd line it's useless
• 1237[08:21:11] <Logg> make sure sources.list is set up in general, then do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
• 1238[08:21:58] <Logg> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
• 1239[08:21:59] <locrian9> Is there a way to get the 'sources.list' to populate with Debian repo servers automatically during the install, or do you always have to find the sources.list (somewhere on an external system on the internet) and copy that list into the 'sources.list' file?
• 1240[08:22:08] <somiaj> locrian9: the dvd contents will be added to your /etc/apt/sources.list
• 1241[08:22:22] <Logg> locrian9: I think it's mostly set up, you just have to get rid of the dvd line
• 1242[08:22:30] <Logg> and add contrib non-free if you desire to be non-free
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• 1245[08:22:42] <borsin> locrian9: the dvd line is preventing apt-get from sourcing apt-get from the net
• 1246[08:22:57] <somiaj> locrian9: depends, if you have network and say use the network install it will, but you need network access. If you don't have network access due to non-free firmware, you'll have to manually add it
• 1247[08:23:51] <locrian9> Hmmm. Appreciate all your help.
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• 1251[08:25:26] <somiaj> locrian9: note even if you have network with using the dvd image, it will add it to your sources.list because it assumes you want to be able to install packages from the dvd which is needed during the install. If you want to install from the network, use a netinstaller. There is also a netinstaller with non-free firmware if needed
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• 1257[08:28:10] <locrian9> somiaj: Great! That helped me understand. Keyword 'netinstaller'. replaced-url
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• 1261[08:28:24] <somiaj> !firmware images
• 1262[08:28:24] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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• 1264[08:28:37] <somiaj> locrian9: use that ^^ if you have wifi that needs non-free firmware.
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• 1267[08:29:24] <somiaj> locrian9: also might be worth pointing out, the netinstaller contains a minmial base install that doens't need the network to use. So you can still install a very basic system without network.
• 1268[08:29:29] <hahaha> someone got deep web links?
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• 1270[08:29:48] <somiaj> hahaha: debian.org
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• 1282[08:34:56] <squigz> lol
• 1283[08:36:01] <locrian9> somiaj: What's your install steps in a nutshell? As I explained getting up to Step#8, what else do you normally do?
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• 1286[08:37:17] <borsin> locrian9: those steps you laid out are pretty solid. i personally go from there to a window manager setup with xorg of course and a few handy tools here and there - this of course is for a typical desktop use case
• 1287[08:37:25] <somiaj> locrian9: depends on what I'm installing. Really I install so little, usually only once per new computer. And my current desktop install has gone through many mobos and processors since I installed in 2008ish
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• 1289[08:37:33] <darxmurf> hi all
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• 1298[08:42:11] <darxmurf> anybody can help for a Allied Telesis switch configuration ?
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• 1308[08:46:25] <locrian9> somiaj/borsin: Yeah, I was just trying to get some ideas on what I should normally try to accomplish, so I don't spend more than one day setting up a new Debian system. For example on a new system running as an FTP server, I would: 1.) Get the 'netinstall' Debian Jessie 8.7.1 torrent 2.) Run 'rtorrent' to download and combine the .iso file 3.) run 'dd' to block write the .iso onto a USB. 4.) Install app
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• 1311[08:46:31] <locrian9> lying network interface IP during install, and setting up an 'ssh server' onto it. 5.) Once started on the prompt, verify my 'iptables' allow the ssh connection from some remote PC so I can work on that Debian unit from elsewhere on my LAN. Then plug in that Debian unit to a DMZ side of the firewall (facing WAN). 6.) SSH into the Debian box and verify 'apt-get update' works (maybe install 'sudo'). 7.)
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• 1313[08:46:37] <locrian9> Start installing vsftp onto that Debian box.
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• 1317[08:48:59] <locrian9> Maybe setup vsftpd as a container in Docker...
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• 1561[10:28:12] <Silvering> Hi everyone! I deployed a django app on my dedicated server running on Debian 8. Websites are running on this server. I used gunicorn apache and nginx to set everything. My django app is available with the 8000 port but wtithout -> 403 forbidden access. Here is my error_log : replaced-url
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• 1569[10:34:10] <CeBe> Silvering: your webserver tries to find an index file as you seem to have configured it to do so. that file does not exist, so a 403 error is generated
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• 1572[10:35:17] <Silvering> CeBe : Yes, but because it's a django app I don't have index file.. Nobody seems to understand the issue in #django or #nginx channel..
• 1573[10:35:43] <CeBe> Silvering: why are you using apache AND nginx?
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• 1578[10:36:48] <Silvering> CeBe : This is a great question. My dedicated server seems to use booth. If I cut one everything is down. I never understood why
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• 1582[10:37:31] <CeBe> Silvering: you should figure that out first
• 1583[10:37:36] <CeBe> it sounds wrong
• 1584[10:37:43] <vahe> hi all, replaced-url
• 1585[10:37:48] <squigz> Oh my, that sounds fun
• 1586[10:37:54] <squigz> nginx and apache, somehow dependant on one another
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• 1590[10:39:06] <CeBe> Silvering: theoretically you can have apache serve websites on one port/ip and nginx on another, but if you did not do this on purpose you should find out what is going on there
• 1591[10:40:20] <Silvering> CeBe : hmm ok.
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• 1630[11:07:47] <debrisrat> hi ! how can i resolve qemu-kvm installation broken packages
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• 1632[11:08:10] <debrisrat> hi ! how can i resolve qemu-kvm installation broken packages ?
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• 1640[11:11:17] <towo`> debrisRat, you should provide relevant infos if you want help
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• 1642[11:12:37] <debrisRat> so i want to install qemu-kvm to my computer, ( i'm using debian 8 ) but can't install kvm from terminal
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• 1644[11:12:56] <debrisRat> towo`,
• 1645[11:13:01] <debrisRat> so i want to install qemu-kvm to my computer, ( i'm using debian 8 ) but can't install kvm from terminal
• 1646[11:13:18] <towo`> "i can't install" is saying zero
• 1647[11:13:37] <debrisRat> towo`, thnks
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• 1660[11:25:52] <Rembo> hello, i have a folder with multiple .jpeg large files(10-12 mb each pic), i want to resize them about 5-6 mb each, i want to use imagemagic command line, can you help me? thanks
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• 1682[11:39:07] <lowin> Hello. I'm trying to install virtualbox. I'm running jessie with linux 4.9 installed from backports repository. problem is that virtualbox-dkms fails to build the kernel module, build log shows a bunch of errors during the compilation which I'm guessing is failing because of abi changes in linux
• 1683[11:39:34] <towo`> you have to use vbox from backports too
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• 1686[11:39:39] <lowin> I installed the latest virtualbox-dkms from backports, but the problem persists. Am I doing something wrong?
• 1687[11:40:02] <towo`> and you have installed the linux-headers from backports too?
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• 1689[11:40:07] <lowin> yep
• 1690[11:40:11] <DoberMann> (and kbuild-49 ?)
• 1691[11:40:32] <lowin> hmm, I think it was pulled in as a dependency
• 1692[11:40:34] <lowin> not sure
• 1693[11:41:06] <towo`> hm, backports has vbox 5.1.8, i don't think it will compile against 4.9
• 1694[11:41:06] <lowin> yep, it's installed
• 1695[11:41:26] <towo`> i would purge all vbox distro packages and use the recent package from oracle
• 1696[11:41:59] <lowin> alright. I'll give it a go. thanks
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• 1711[11:49:10] <DexterF> hi all
• 1712[11:51:46] <DexterF> for a debian based portable OS on a USB disk that boots both EFI and legacy systems, what's a recommendable approach? install to the USB drive from a regular installer or something else rather?
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• 1714[11:52:28] <DexterF> "just install normally" left me with grub2 not booting on every machine, and reEFInd now only boots on the EFI machine from which I installed
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• 1721[12:01:18] <epsilon> what's current best practice to run a script on boot (jessie)?
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• 1732[12:07:04] <adriano44> Anyone can help me for Iptables ?
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• 1756[12:18:31] <is_null> hi all ! I've got some wheezy VMs, how do you advice to make it auto-retry starting a service on boot ? until service myserv start; do sleep 10; done in a @reboot cron job ? or rather a minutely cron job that would try to start the service ? what are the gotchas ?
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• 1761[12:21:37] <Logg> it's built into systemd to do that
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• 1763[12:21:51] <Logg> I don't know for wheezy
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• 1778[12:26:44] <adriano44> replaced-url
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• 1811[12:39:12] <grateful> where do the files from a .apt-get install download to?
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• 1813[12:39:32] <grateful> temp dir.
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• 1817[12:42:31] <bezaban> grateful: /var/cache/apt
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• 1822[12:45:00] <grateful> thanks i guess apt-get clean worked too
• 1823[12:45:09] <grateful> didn't explain my issue tho :)
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• 1825[12:45:17] <grateful> so thank you for the location
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• 1828[12:45:25] <petn-randall> is_null: I'd upgrade to jessie, and use systemd. There it's simply an option to set in the unit file.
• 1829[12:45:25] <grateful> i ran outta space trying to install something
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• 1879[13:16:47] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
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• 1883[13:17:13] <musca> yo BluesKaj
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• 1899[13:33:34] <darxmurf> anybody familiar with Allied Telesis switches here ?
• 1900[13:34:26] <bezaban> darxmurf: likely, but try ##networkign
• 1901[13:34:34] <darxmurf> I have a AT-8000GS/48 where ports 1 to 24 are not communicating with 25 to 48 Oo
• 1902[13:34:42] <darxmurf> it's like 2 different switches
• 1903[13:34:51] <darxmurf> device reseted, factory default and all
• 1904[13:34:59] <bezaban> this is a debian support channel :)
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• 1906[13:35:21] <darxmurf> I know
• 1907[13:35:24] <darxmurf> but just in case :-)
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• 1925[13:46:20] <SugoiBeans> use packaging tape
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• 1941[13:50:49] <themill> sobczyk: noone will thank you for using cdbs. dh makes for simple, readable and forwards-compatible d/rules
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• 1948[13:52:54] <sobczyk> themill: I'm using it right now, but can't add custom target to be evecured before binary
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• 1951[13:53:35] <sobczyk> dh $@ complains about unknown sequence
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• 1957[13:54:36] <themill> real d/rules and real output would help; #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net might be better too
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• 1959[13:55:01] <adriano44> anyone can help me for my iproute ?
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• 1961[13:55:16] <petn-randall> !ask
• 1962[13:55:17] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 1966[13:56:16] <postalambic> hi
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• 1968[13:57:27] <adriano44> Actualy i have replaced-url
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• 1970[13:58:19] <adriano44> Im the the "iptable " can allow 192.168.121.2 go outside
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• 1977[14:01:44] <tsuyubo> hi, i fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-custom kernel_image kernel_headers -j 4
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• 1980[14:02:35] <tsuyubo> but it report can't obtain REPORTING-BUGS
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• 2033[14:29:24] <donoban> hi, I installed Debian on a pretty old laptop and I've just noticed that full disk encryption is too much overload for it. What's the best approach for encrypt only the home folder? home and swap on different partitions?
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• 2041[14:30:46] <nkuttler> um, that's strange, 1G of upgrades, but apparently all from backports
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• 2046[14:31:24] <nkuttler> donoban: sounds like a plan
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• 2051[14:32:55] <donoban> better than ecryptfs right?
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• 2065[14:39:24] <donoban> nkuttler: I'm gonna follow this replaced-url
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• 2074[14:42:07] <tw> donoban: for a first time user, just select Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM, unless you have a really good reason not to.
• 2075[14:42:11] <tw> Like you have other OSes on the disk.
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• 2077[14:42:31] <tw> Oh.
• 2078[14:42:52] <donoban> tw it's a pretty old computer, with full encryption I get like 20megas write/read
• 2079[14:43:02] <donoban> 20m/sec
• 2080[14:43:03] <tw> That's pretty normal for that age HDD.
• 2081[14:43:16] <donoban> no, the hard disk goes up to 90-100mb's
• 2082[14:43:27] <tw> Ah, hmm, what CPU?
• 2083[14:43:31] <donoban> uhM
• 2084[14:43:40] <baum> which modules do i need to masquerade with nftables?
• 2085[14:44:03] <donoban> Atom n450
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• 2087[14:44:58] <tw> ugh, intel updated ARK and now I can't read it efficiently.
• 2088[14:45:30] <donoban> i tested it with hdparm, /dev/sda gets a nice speed while /dev/mapper/xxxx is very slow
• 2089[14:45:36] <donoban> and I see some kworker process eating the CPU
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• 2091[14:46:21] <tw> I see what you mean, it's old enough that it doesn't have aes-ni. But also old enough that the guide you pointed out will work for you because it uses MBR and not GPT (for EFI)
• 2092[14:46:27] <donoban> probably this CPU doesn't have any crypto capability
• 2093[14:46:43] <tw> baum: afaik, nftables has NAT built in.
• 2094[14:46:52] <donoban> well I don't have nothing to lose for try hehe, let's go :)
• 2095[14:47:11] <arturo> baum: tw: nft_masq
• 2096[14:47:17] <tw> thanks.
• 2097[14:48:05] <baum> arturo: in which package is that? can't find it in backports
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• 2099[14:48:42] <tw> Which kernel? you need >3.18 for masq, says nftables wiki
• 2100[14:48:56] <arturo> baum: package? that's a kernel module, you should see it in your kernel config, something like this: CONFIG_NFT_MASQ=m
• 2101[14:49:03] <baum> dang, thanks
• 2102[14:49:07] <baum> 3.16 here
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• 2104[14:49:19] <arturo> baum: are you using debian?
• 2105[14:49:28] <baum> yes, jessie
• 2106[14:49:30] <tw> there's a 4.x series in backports. That will fix you up
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• 2108[14:49:54] <arturo> and nftables 0.6 in jessie backports
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• 2112[14:50:53] <arturo> I should update it btw :-)
• 2113[14:51:04] <baum> tw: 4.x series of what?
• 2114[14:51:05] <arturo> there is 0.7 already
• 2115[14:51:17] <arturo> baum: kernel 4.x series
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• 2119[14:51:30] <baum> ah, thanks :)
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• 2195[15:35:44] <phi_> any good terminal emulator for debian except urxvt and gnome? that supprt transparent
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• 2197[15:36:32] <Logg> I use terminator, I like it.
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• 2199[15:36:47] <Logg> transparency is a compositor job
• 2200[15:36:58] <tomcres> xfce4-terminal is nice. I don't even think it depends on Xfce :-D
• 2201[15:37:20] <phi_> Logg: gnome-terminal does not support transparent
• 2202[15:37:30] <phi_> I use i3wm
• 2203[15:37:40] <phi_> and not DE
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• 2207[15:38:36] <somiaj> or just use xcompmngr and transet, I think most terminals that support transparency only use root transparency
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• 2209[15:38:52] <Zharf> why would you even want transparency in i3?
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• 2214[15:39:52] <phi_> Zharf: so at least I can see something through terminal
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• 2216[15:40:16] <Zharf> lika what? tiling wm doesn't have anything meaningful behind the windows :)
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• 2219[15:40:57] <phi_> Zharf: I can set the background so I want to see it :v
• 2220[15:41:02] <tx> except maybe a wallpaper
• 2221[15:41:08] <tx> which is why you have transparency :)
• 2222[15:41:16] <phi_> tx: you are right
• 2223[15:41:27] <tx> <phi_> Logg: gnome-terminal does not support transparent
• 2224[15:41:29] <tx> sure it does
• 2225[15:41:30] <Zharf> psh, wallpapers are useless :)
• 2226[15:41:36] <tx> what you need is a _compositor__
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• 2229[15:41:44] <tx> such as compton
• 2230[15:42:12] <tx> that will allow you to have such things as real transparency
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• 2232[15:42:20] <tx> (though many programs will provide fake transparency)
• 2233[15:42:32] <phi_> tx: ok, i got it
• 2234[15:42:41] <phi_> tx: sth like compton? right
• 2235[15:42:47] <jelly> rxvt-unicode has both fake and real transparency
• 2236[15:43:03] <tx> yeah that was one example
• 2237[15:43:06] <tx> xcompmgr is another
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• 2243[15:44:07] <jelly> phi_: I like konsole because it has good session management if you use its own profiles. Remembers where windows and tabs were after a restart or crash
• 2244[15:44:32] <jelly> coworkers use tmux instead
• 2245[15:44:33] <tx> Terminator user here.
• 2246[15:44:39] <colo-work> User terminator here.
• 2247[15:44:43] <tx> Cool name, and I have all my configs set up just the way I want
• 2248[15:44:50] <tx> so changing is effort even if I wanted to.
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• 2250[15:45:32] <phi_> cause I was using an tiling wm so I do not need tiling function in terminator
• 2251[15:45:49] <tx> I used terminator even when I was using i3.
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• 2253[15:45:58] <tx> as I was using i3 gaps
• 2254[15:46:12] <tx> and I preferred to have a gap-less terminal split in half :)
• 2255[15:46:36] <phi_> tx: so what is your terminal?
• 2256[15:46:43] <tx> terminator
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• 2258[15:46:56] <tx> (GTK2/3 based)
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• 2260[15:47:52] <phi_> so I think the best is to give gnome-terminal a try
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• 2270[15:53:24] <baum> i3-gaps & gap-less termina: well that's one way to create non-existing problems. :)
• 2271[15:53:39] <tx> baum: not really
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• 2273[15:53:41] * zykotick9 likes using urxvt (aka rxvt-unicode) with his i3-wm
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• 2276[15:53:54] * baum uses urxvt with xmonad
• 2277[15:54:07] <tx> I use KDE Plasma now.
• 2278[15:54:16] <tx> Does that mean I am not a ricer / hipster any more?
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• 2280[15:54:32] <tomcres> anyone know of a GUI calendar app that will allow me to either view/edit my Google calendar or an .ics file on the web and doesn't depend on GNOME or KDE? (and isn't Thunderbird/Lightning/Icedove/Iceowl)
• 2281[15:54:46] <baum> no, makes me wonder why you switched from i3 to kde
• 2282[15:55:13] <tx> I still use it
• 2283[15:55:19] <tx> (i3), just not on my laptop
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• 2285[15:55:42] <baum> and why not on your laptop? imo that's i3 shines
• 2286[15:55:52] <tx> I used it for many, many years
• 2287[15:55:53] <BlackFlagPin> cause your laptop is an i7?
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• 2290[15:56:25] <tx> At the end of every year I try a few WMs / DEs to see what is going on
• 2291[15:56:34] <tx> kind of like a review, I always go back to i3.
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• 2293[15:56:57] <johnkeates> i always use bare TTY's or Gnome 3
• 2294[15:56:58] <tx> This year I felt that KDE was ready enough for me to use full-time, and I was kinda getting old of having so many different applications in different UI toolkits
• 2295[15:57:00] <tx> all over the place.
• 2296[15:57:04] <baum> anyways, why? did you have issues with i3? wanted the looks of kde? or just felt like change?
• 2297[15:57:06] <johnkeates> sometimes I use a teleprinter and a fax
• 2298[15:57:30] <johnkeates> sometimes, with exotic days, the DEC VT100 comes out
• 2299[15:57:31] <tx> I just wanted something a little more cohesive, integrated
• 2300[15:57:43] <tx> something that just "works" a little better in terms of convenience
• 2301[15:58:02] <baum> i see, thanks :)
• 2302[15:58:06] <tx> That's not to say I don't love doing everything myself, I wrote my own lock-screen tool because I didn't find one that I liked :)
• 2303[15:58:16] <tx> but my laptop is serious business, at least this year.
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• 2305[15:58:22] <baum> i3-lock :P
• 2306[15:58:32] <tx> I modified physlock to show ANSI art :)
• 2307[15:58:39] <tx> that's what I use on my i3 build.
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• 2314[16:02:03] <baum> going with nftables takes more time than expected....=/
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• 2322[16:08:45] <TRS-80> Greetings all, I seem to be getting a QT error when opening heimdall-frontend: "Qt: Session management error: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported"
• 2323[16:09:17] <tx> heimdall requires root
• 2324[16:09:23] <tx> prefix the command with sudo
• 2325[16:09:45] <TRS-80> I did it from su # prompt
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• 2327[16:09:57] <babilen> Try gksu(do)
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• 2329[16:10:31] <tx> if that doesn't work (gksu), check the value of the SESSION_MANAGER env
• 2330[16:10:48] <TRS-80> babilen sorry for newb question but I type what you said instead of sudo and then the rest of the command?
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• 2332[16:11:13] <TRS-80> or type gksu heimdall-frontend ? right
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• 2334[16:11:34] <tx> yeah
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• 2342[16:13:41] <TRS-80> ok I had to install gksu, it still opened, still got same error, but now additional more detailed errors "Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon"
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• 2346[16:14:10] <tx> what does "echo $SESSION_MANAGER" return?
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• 2348[16:14:17] <hybridark> Hi guys
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• 2351[16:14:35] <hybridark> is there a way for me to load the overlay driver using Debian Jessie or only if I update the kernel?
• 2352[16:14:47] <TRS-80> local/dell:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/947,unix/dell:/tmp/.ICE-unix/947
• 2353[16:15:03] <babilen> TRS-80: Did you run that in a normal session?
• 2354[16:15:11] <hybridark> are the one from backports stable enough for a server?
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• 2356[16:15:19] <hybridark> the ones*
• 2357[16:15:44] <babilen> hybridark: Which package are you referring to?
• 2358[16:16:01] <tx> babilen: the overlay kernel module
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• 2360[16:16:09] <hybridark> yes
• 2361[16:16:11] <tx> available since 3.18
• 2362[16:16:15] <hybridark> exactly
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• 2364[16:16:17] <TRS-80> what's a normal session? I ran it as su in MATE Terminal
• 2365[16:16:19] <hybridark> jessie comes with 3.16
• 2366[16:16:21] <tx> if backports has a 3.18 kernel
• 2367[16:16:25] <tx> that might work?
• 2368[16:16:26] <babilen> hybridark: Backported kernels are absolutely fine
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• 2370[16:16:46] <hybridark> I add it to sources.list and then it has only 4.8 and 4.9
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• 2372[16:16:54] <hybridark> are they stable enough for a server in production?
• 2373[16:16:59] <babilen> "module" would have got me there :)
• 2374[16:17:03] <tw> Those are both fine. I haven't had any issue with them.
• 2375[16:17:05] <tx> :)
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• 2378[16:18:14] <hybridark> so you would recommend backports for a server in production
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• 2381[16:18:35] <babilen> hybridark: It's perfectly fine to run backported kernels in production
• 2382[16:18:41] <hybridark> ok, thanks
• 2383[16:18:42] <babilen> There is no inherent need to do so
• 2384[16:18:47] <babilen> It's also fine to not run them
• 2385[16:18:55] <hybridark> I just need the overlay module
• 2386[16:19:10] <babilen> I guess that means that you want a backported kernel
• 2387[16:19:19] <hybridark> or just one after 3.18
• 2388[16:20:04] <jim> hybridark, what are you going to use overlay for?
• 2389[16:20:32] <jim> (maybe there's another sol'n)
• 2390[16:21:01] <hybridark> docker, as I've read it's better than aufs
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• 2392[16:21:58] <baum> aufs doesn't work with the new kernel anymore - thus you've to go with overlay/alternatives
• 2393[16:22:08] * baum is currently fixing docker after his kernel upgrade
• 2394[16:22:10] <tx> it is substantially better
• 2395[16:22:21] <tx> (overlay and overlay2)
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• 2397[16:23:08] <jim> hybridark, so, docker requires this functionality?
• 2398[16:23:28] <baum> jim: yes
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• 2400[16:23:32] <jim> I'm still not even sure what we're talking about
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• 2403[16:23:53] <hybridark> jim: I'm asking if the kernels from backports are stable enough to be used in production
• 2404[16:23:57] <tx> jim: it does not
• 2405[16:24:06] <tx> overlay is just the fastest available storage driver
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• 2407[16:24:09] <hybridark> because jessie comes with 3.16, which does not support overlay, which I need for docker
• 2408[16:24:21] <baum> tx well yes it doesn't "require" it
• 2409[16:24:37] <baum> erm jim
• 2410[16:24:41] <colo-work> hybridark, for us they are
• 2411[16:24:44] <jim> what does it require in this area?
• 2412[16:24:59] <baum> it defaults to aufs
• 2413[16:25:00] <tx> nothing that doesn't exist in the current stable kernel
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• 2416[16:25:23] <tx> yes, but if that is not available it can also use others like devicemapper, vfs, zfs etc.
• 2417[16:25:38] <hybridark> but overlay is the most optimized one, it seems
• 2418[16:25:42] <tx> indeed
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• 2420[16:26:15] <jim> ok... so it seems there are a few choices...
• 2421[16:26:18] <tx> yes
• 2422[16:26:32] <jim> hybridark, are you using docker now?
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• 2425[16:28:27] <jim> for one thing, if you were to upgrade your kernel, you'd have to reboot
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• 2427[16:29:08] <hybridark> jim: yes, but then I need to upgrade the kernel first so it runs with overlay
• 2428[16:29:11] <tx> what a catastrophe :P
• 2429[16:29:22] <TRS-80> any other ideas? I am just paranoid to flash now after seeing an error. First time using Heimdall.
• 2430[16:29:23] <hybridark> no problem to reboot :D
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• 2433[16:29:53] <tx> TRS-80: try un-setting SESSION_MANAGER
• 2434[16:29:57] <tx> in that particular terminal session
• 2435[16:30:10] <hybridark> I just wanted to be sure backport kernels were stable enough. I'll trust you guys then
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• 2438[16:30:42] <jim> I'm just gonna be on the conservative side... all these folks are saying it's perfectly safe to upgrade the kernel... and I'm not saying it's not, but you say this is a production server, can't you just use a different machine to run docker?
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• 2441[16:31:05] <jim> (why mess with a production server if it turns out you don't have to)
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• 2443[16:31:33] <hybridark> I'm preparing it for production now, so no problem in rebooting or messing with it now
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• 2447[16:31:51] <tx> I'd hope you would have no trouble rebooting a production server anyway
• 2448[16:31:52] <jim> oh, so it's not in production yet?
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• 2450[16:32:00] <tx> after all, kernel updates for security are important :P
• 2451[16:32:17] <jim> that is true
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• 2454[16:33:09] <TRS-80> tx sorry DDG is not telling me how to do that :/
• 2455[16:33:28] <hybridark> and this server will have a nginx+passenger docker container
• 2456[16:33:34] <hybridark> for node.js
• 2457[16:33:40] <TRS-80> bit of a GNU/Linux noob, but trying :)
• 2458[16:33:43] <jelly> tx: security updates for kernel, too
• 2459[16:33:44] <tx> "unset SESSION_MANAGER"
• 2460[16:33:47] <baum> hybridark: here, just saved you an hour: replaced-url
• 2461[16:33:48] <jim> so the current situation with the machine in question, is you're building it up to run in production, but it's not in production yet,,, is this accurate?
• 2462[16:33:51] <TRS-80> tx thx
• 2463[16:34:11] <tx> jelly: that's what I sa- oh
• 2464[16:34:18] <tx> well that's what I meant. :P
• 2465[16:34:26] <jim> hybridark ^^
• 2466[16:34:40] <hybridark> baum: thanks, but it already uses aufs. What I want is overlay, but in kernel 3.16 when I modprobe overlay, it doesn't exist :)
• 2467[16:34:50] <hybridark> jim: yes
• 2468[16:34:53] <baum> hybridark: checkout the link - not just the url
• 2469[16:35:01] <baum> hybridark: s/link/content
• 2470[16:35:15] <TRS-80> tx Aha! "heimdall-frontend" worked that time, no errors, and didn't even require gksu!
• 2471[16:35:22] <jim> that should be ok
• 2472[16:35:44] <hybridark> baum: so in the page, the answer tells to use --storage-driver=overlay inside the service. That's exactly what I do, after the kernel is updated :D
• 2473[16:35:50] <tx> TRS-80: nice!
• 2474[16:35:54] <tx> as loon as you run it as root
• 2475[16:36:00] <hybridark> otherwise it doesnt exist
• 2476[16:36:05] <TRS-80> Is this something I should report somewhere? Or just not bother?
• 2477[16:36:07] <tx> heimdall will need root to do its thing with the device
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• 2479[16:36:24] <tx> TRS-80: nah, it's just some qt library incompatibilities
• 2480[16:36:30] <tx> check the issue tracker for heimdall if you want though
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• 2482[16:36:48] <baum> hybridark: nice, before that link i specified the option in /etc/default/docker (which doesn't work)
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• 2484[16:37:06] <baum> (probably since it's an auto-setup by docker-machine)
• 2485[16:37:07] <ToHellWithGA> is there a location in /etc or similar that controls the reported usable size of /tmp when it is just a part of the / partition?
• 2486[16:37:14] * baum atleast hopes so
• 2487[16:37:14] <TRS-80> tx Thanks so much for your help!
• 2488[16:37:19] <tx> no worries
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• 2490[16:37:36] <tx> baum: I think that file was used in sysvinit
• 2491[16:37:46] <tx> now docker reads exclusively from systemd service config files
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• 2495[16:38:22] <hybridark> yes, I have a systemd service file to start the containers on boot
• 2496[16:38:33] <hybridark> passing the overlay option
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• 2498[16:38:36] <baum> tx: oh, alright thanks
• 2499[16:39:13] <jim> hybridark, do you folks do anything on machines coming into production to do acceptability testing?
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• 2501[16:39:21] <baum> tx: by chance you set up docker with nftables?
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• 2503[16:39:40] <hybridark> but then when docker-engine gets updated via apt, the service file loses the --storage-driver=overlay option, so I have to configure again
• 2504[16:39:47] <tx> we use docker with rancher here
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• 2506[16:39:50] <tx> ( rancher.io )
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• 2509[16:40:09] <tx> er
• 2510[16:40:10] <tx> replaced-url
• 2511[16:40:23] <tx> networking is managed / orchestrated
• 2512[16:40:30] <jim> hybridark, is that true? when you upgrade, it changes your configuration?
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• 2514[16:40:34] <baum> ah, nice
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• 2516[16:40:47] <johnkeates> eek, containers
• 2517[16:40:51] <johnkeates> quick, call the hipsterpolice
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• 2519[16:40:58] <hybridark> @jim I set somaxconn="net.core.somaxconn=65535"
• 2520[16:41:15] <hybridark> jim: and overcommit="vm.overcommit_memory = 1"
• 2521[16:41:16] <tx> johnkeates: nah, it's mainstream enough now
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• 2524[16:41:43] <hybridark> jim: also echo "never" > /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/enabled && echo "never" > /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/defrag
• 2525[16:41:49] <baum> wanted to go with rancher/kubernets too - in the end i decided to go back to docker-machine & compose (out of day-to-day comfort & to save a few bucks)
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• 2528[16:42:02] <tx> save a few bucks?
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• 2530[16:42:12] <tx> we still use good ol docker-compose files with rancher for automation :)
• 2531[16:42:20] <hybridark> baum: using docker-compose here too
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• 2533[16:42:26] <tx> we just tack on a rancher-compose.yml file for extra goodies like load balancing
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• 2535[16:42:35] <hybridark> rancher.io didn't load here
• 2536[16:42:42] <tx> yeah sorry, I meant rancher.com
• 2537[16:42:45] <hybridark> ok
• 2538[16:43:05] <tx> baum: rancher lets you choose one of kubernetes, mesos or cattle (their own flavour)
• 2539[16:43:17] <tx> I think swam is an option too
• 2540[16:43:19] <tx> swarm*
• 2541[16:43:43] <baum> tx: i'm running it on a vps (max size will be about 10 services) the more i use, the bigger the server has to be =/
• 2542[16:43:57] <tx> before rancher we used dokku
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• 2544[16:44:03] <tx> that's a super convenient paas :P
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• 2546[16:44:14] <baum> tx: it's only a small private cluster for home-use & friends
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• 2548[16:44:36] <johnkeates> why use containers if you can use heroku, or, if you want to do ops, why do containers if you're doing proper ops anyway
• 2549[16:44:40] <tx> yeah, dokku is a much better choice for something lke that
• 2550[16:44:49] <tx> johnkeates: I use them for all sorts of things.
• 2551[16:45:04] <tx> I need to try out some code in alpine or centos?
• 2552[16:45:11] <tx> just pull the base images and run it in a docker container
• 2553[16:45:13] <johnkeates> i use flamingoes for all sorts of things
• 2554[16:45:20] <johnkeates> why use docker if you can use vagrant
• 2555[16:45:21] <johnkeates> :p
• 2556[16:45:27] <johnkeates> a real vm
• 2557[16:45:29] <tx> because that requires downloading an entire VM image.
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• 2559[16:45:34] <tx> screw that
• 2560[16:45:35] <johnkeates> well, so does a docker image
• 2561[16:45:43] <tx> let's see how big alpine is..
• 2562[16:45:52] <baum> tx: do you replicate persisent images too?
• 2563[16:45:54] <johnkeates> if you really want to test it, you need a kernel too
• 2564[16:46:06] <tx> fortunately it's not that low level
• 2565[16:46:12] <tx> also, 1MB
• 2566[16:46:13] <johnkeates> have you tried mips code in a docker?
• 2567[16:46:14] <tx> (alpine)
• 2568[16:46:19] <johnkeates> or arm
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• 2570[16:46:26] <tx> This is work work, I work exclusively with x86_64.
• 2571[16:46:27] <johnkeates> :p
• 2572[16:46:38] <tx> I don't need to deal with ARM unless I am doing android stuff. :P
• 2573[16:46:50] <tx> (which precludes docker)
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• 2576[16:47:35] <tx> baum: sure
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• 2578[16:47:47] <baum> tx: which storage backend are you using? gluster?
• 2579[16:47:53] <phi_> I always get this warning message every boot up
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• 2581[16:47:54] <tx> on rancher?
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• 2583[16:48:06] <phi_> failed to connect lvmetad falling back to scanning...
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• 2585[16:48:13] <phi_> is there anyway to fix it?
• 2586[16:48:20] <baum> yes
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• 2588[16:49:00] <tx> a mix of that and NFS
• 2589[16:49:34] <baum> how is the overhead (compared to local storage)
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• 2592[16:50:45] <tx> It's used sparingly so I only have some fairly light use stats :p
• 2593[16:50:58] <tx> but pretty good if contained within the same local network! :p
• 2594[16:51:06] <phi_> anyone help....
• 2595[16:51:47] <baum> nice
• 2596[16:51:59] * baum needs a dedicated server
• 2597[16:52:04] <baum> s/needs/wants
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• 2599[16:53:02] <johnkeates> they are cheap
• 2600[16:53:10] <johnkeates> i have one with a real hypervisor and real vms
• 2601[16:53:24] <johnkeates> all running debian except the firewall and the FreeIPA server
• 2602[16:53:38] <petn-randall> phi_: That error is purely cosmetic.
• 2603[16:53:44] <johnkeates> of course, having your own is nice
• 2604[16:53:46] <petn-randall> phi_: There's nothing that needs to be fixed.
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• 2608[16:54:03] <johnkeates> we all know how to play with the client/boss/manager's servers, but having your own.. that's just sweet
• 2609[16:54:16] <phi_> petn-randall: so I dont need to do anything?
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• 2611[16:54:36] <petn-randall> phi_: lvmetad is a daemon that caches LVM meta-data when you have a huge server with hundreds of PVs. And that is a warning so anyone who thinks they have it configured, now it's not being used.
• 2612[16:54:43] <baum> johnkeates: not cheap enoth for poor students...:)
• 2613[16:54:47] <tx> lol
• 2614[16:54:49] <petn-randall> s/now/know/
• 2615[16:54:51] <tx> "real hypervisor and real VMs"
• 2616[16:54:54] <tx> implying what
• 2617[16:54:59] <phi_> petn-randall: can i turn it off?
• 2618[16:55:14] <petn-randall> phi_: No, and as I said, it's purely informational.
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• 2621[16:55:25] <johnkeates> tx: implying xen, not kvm, containers, vmware, hyperv or they other toy software :p
• 2622[16:55:40] <phi_> petn-randall: I'm feeling regret for using lvm on my pc now
• 2623[16:55:45] <phi_> :(
• 2624[16:55:46] <tx> Docker is just a layer on top of VMs.
• 2625[16:55:47] <petn-randall> phi_: Why?
• 2626[16:55:51] <johnkeates> i switched to ZFS
• 2627[16:55:53] <tx> We run XenServer here (oh no, Citrix!)
• 2628[16:55:57] <johnkeates> from LVM+MDADM
• 2629[16:55:58] <phi_> petn-randall: it is not neccessary
• 2630[16:55:59] <tx> then Debian/Ubuntu, and then docker on top of that.
• 2631[16:56:08] <johnkeates> i don't use citrix's version for my own systems
• 2632[16:56:12] <petn-randall> phi_: I think it's the best thing since sliced bread.
• 2633[16:56:18] <phi_> petn-randall: sometime lvm make it more difficult in some situation
• 2634[16:56:27] <johnkeates> but on the business sides (clients and also bosses) there is Citrix, but also VMware and windows :(
• 2635[16:56:37] <johnkeates> i had one that used KVM, which is nice enough
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• 2637[16:56:49] <petn-randall> phi_: But it also allows you to enlarge partitions on the spot, and allows you to take snapshots.
• 2638[16:56:50] <johnkeates> but for some reason, Xen just feels good, runs good, and does everything just right
• 2639[16:57:11] <tx> yep, no troubles with xen
• 2640[16:57:29] <phi_> petn-randall: ok I have to accpeted the inperfect world
• 2641[16:57:31] <johnkeates> it's like the magical software that sits between the evil E-Corp and puny home gamer stuff :p
• 2642[16:57:47] <johnkeates> then again, it's a real beast and does heavy loads just fine
• 2643[16:57:55] <phi_> petn-randall: I choose debian cause I can install it on lvm
• 2644[16:58:14] <phi_> petn-randall: since manjaro can't
• 2645[16:58:15] <johnkeates> but then again, i'd be happy with anything that's not vmware or windows or oracle
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• 2770[17:46:27] <jhutchins_wk> seoner: rfkill list
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• 2774[17:47:51] <seoner> jhutchins_wk: rfkill list, no output. What does the command actually do?
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• 2779[17:48:58] <jhutchins_wk> Usually lists RF interfaces like wifi and bluetooth.
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• 2781[17:49:07] <Guest10223> How to make something bootable
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• 2784[17:50:23] <jhutchins_wk> Guest10223: Please be specific about what you're trying to do.
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• 2786[17:50:34] <seoner> jhutchins_wk: Why did it give me no output?
• 2787[17:50:52] <Guest10223> jhutchins_wk: I want to understand what's special in bootable device
• 2788[17:50:58] <jhutchins_wk> seoner: Probably because it doesn't see any wifi/bluetooth hardware. Did you run it as root?
• 2789[17:51:30] <seoner> jhutchins_wk: Yes.
• 2790[17:51:35] <jhutchins_wk> Guest10223: Depends on the device.
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• 2806[17:54:56] <Guest10223> jhutchins_wk: I want to make either CD or DVD or usb or hard disk as bootable
• 2807[17:55:24] <msgctl> hey #debian, I can't gpgsign my git commits on testing, I'm trying to debug it with GIT_TRACE
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• 2809[17:55:44] <Guest10223> Is it different for each device?
• 2810[17:55:52] <Guest10223> How
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• 2812[17:56:21] <mtn> Guest10223, put a bootloader on it. it will boot, most likely ;)
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• 2815[17:57:07] <msgctl> …any takers?
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• 2818[17:58:09] <Guest10223> mtn: bootloader; which one?
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• 2821[17:58:30] <Guest10223> Where to install bootloader; any specific location?
• 2822[17:58:37] <mtn> Guest10223, any one you want to use. you can research bootloaders using a search engine
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• 2825[17:59:32] <Guest10223> mtn: multiple bootloaders can be installed?
• 2826[17:59:35] <Guest10223> Is it helpful
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• 2828[18:00:01] <mtn> Guest10223, why not go do some research?
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• 2836[18:01:12] <Guest10223> mtn: I can't understand much by own
• 2837[18:01:42] <mtn> Guest10223, this is not a general computer training channel. do you have a debian support question?
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• 2844[18:05:59] <n-iCe> hi
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• 2847[18:06:30] <mefistofeles> n-iCe: hey
• 2848[18:06:31] <mefistofeles> xD
• 2849[18:06:51] <n-iCe> :D
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• 2872[18:21:12] <n-iCe> bluetooth does not come installed with xfce, right?
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• 2874[18:21:29] <n-iCe> or am I blind? can't find it in the menus
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• 2877[18:22:15] <tomcres> no, you need to install blueman
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• 2879[18:23:05] <n-iCe> just blueman?
• 2880[18:23:23] <tomcres> also bluetooth if you haven't already (bluetooth support for the system)
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• 2883[18:24:50] <tomcres> "bluetooth" will pull in the blueZ stack and "blueman" will give you the Bluetooth preferences app in Xfce
• 2884[18:24:51] <WeiJunLi> help on this error while compiling kernel, it says to do 'make mrproper' but that command cleans everything including delete the debian/rules which is needed for compilation, hints? replaced-url
• 2885[18:24:52] <n-iCe> thanks, let me reboot
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• 2890[18:26:12] <n-iCe> done
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• 2893[18:26:52] <n-iCe> I did pair, but when I click connect, says Connection Failed: No such file or directory, and I don't hear my device sound when a device is connected
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• 2898[18:28:13] <petn-randall> WeiJunLi: Where did you get the source from?
• 2899[18:28:23] <WeiJunLi> petn-randall: apt-get source linux
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• 2905[18:29:55] <tomcres> n-iCe, is this an audio device by any chance?
• 2906[18:30:03] <n-iCe> tomcres: yes sir, a bluetooth speaker :D
• 2907[18:30:18] <tomcres> ahhhhh... you probably need pulseaudio-module-bluetooth
• 2908[18:30:20] <n-iCe> it appears like a headset thought, in the blueman icon
• 2909[18:30:39] <n-iCe> tomcres: I installed it, should I reboot?
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• 2911[18:31:03] <tomcres> you could probably just systemctl restart bluetoothd
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• 2913[18:31:25] <n-iCe> Failed to restart bluetoothd.service: Unit bluetoothd.service failed to load: No such file or directory.
• 2914[18:31:40] <WeiJunLi> petn-randall: must not follow that instruction 'make mrproper' right
• 2915[18:31:46] <tomcres> OK, reboot then.
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• 2918[18:33:09] <petn-randall> WeiJunLi: If you download the Debian sources, the standard tools to compile a packages are 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b', which will drop a binary .deb package out at the end.
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• 2920[18:33:26] <petn-randall> WeiJunLi: If you use the upstream source, a 'make deb-pkg' will give you a binary .deb.
• 2921[18:33:30] <n-iCe> Done
• 2922[18:33:32] <WeiJunLi> petn-randall: replaced-url
• 2923[18:33:35] <WeiJunLi> im following this
• 2924[18:33:35] <n-iCe> tomcres: Connection Failed: Resource temporarily unavailable
• 2925[18:33:42] <n-iCe> but I heard the connection sound
• 2926[18:33:59] <petn-randall> WeiJunLi: Why are you building your own kernel, btw?
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• 2928[18:34:10] <WeiJunLi> petn-randall: need debug features such as kasan etc.
• 2929[18:34:29] <n-iCe> tomcres: it is connected now, I think, no errors, speaker looks like connected, but no sound
• 2930[18:34:29] <tomcres> argghh.. 🤦‍♂️ OK. I think we're getting somewhere, though.
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• 2932[18:34:39] <petn-randall> WeiJunLi: I see. Using the commands I recomended should work then.
• 2933[18:36:18] <WeiJunLi> petn-randall: what they do exactly
• 2934[18:36:29] <WeiJunLi> im running the first one now, inside the source tree
• 2935[18:36:37] <tomcres> n-iCe, if you dmesg | grep -i firmware, do you see anything about missing bluetooth firmware?
• 2936[18:36:43] <WeiJunLi> no errors till now.. Let's see.
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• 2938[18:37:00] <n-iCe> tomcres: yes
• 2939[18:37:08] <n-iCe> [ 2.364089] bluetooth hci0: firmware: failed to load brcm/BCM20702A0-0a5c-21e6.hcd (-2)
• 2940[18:37:15] <WeiJunLi> petn-randall: the first cmd creates a .deb file which is basically the compiled kernel and then the second cmd is to install?
• 2941[18:37:17] <n-iCe> [ 2.364095] bluetooth hci0: Direct firmware load failed with error -2
• 2942[18:37:42] <tomcres> n-iCe, OK. Perfect. You have the same bluetooth chipset I do. :-) Let me get you the web site to download the firmware. One sec.
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• 2944[18:38:19] <n-iCe> tomcres: aaaaaaaawesoooooome
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• 2947[18:39:31] <tomcres> Follow the instructions for "Newer kernels (3.16 or newer)": replaced-url
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• 2951[18:40:41] <n-iCe> rebooting
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• 2953[18:40:52] <WeiJunLi> petn-randall: around/
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• 2963[18:45:04] <n-iCe> think I did all tomcres but still missing the firmware
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• 2965[18:45:17] <WeiJunLi> petn-randall: after make deb-pkg do I need to run sudo dpkg -i linux-version.deb right
• 2966[18:45:18] <n-iCe> wget replaced-url
• 2967[18:45:22] <n-iCe> sudo mkdir /lib/firmware/brcm
• 2968[18:45:41] <n-iCe> mv fw-0a5c_21e8.hcd /lib/firmware/brcm/BCM20702A0-0a5c-21e8.hcd, cp /lib/firmware/brcm/BCM20702A0-0a5c-21e8.hcd /lib/firmware/brcm/BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e8.hcd and rebooted
• 2969[18:46:21] <tomcres> what does dmesg | grep -i firmware say?
• 2970[18:46:43] <WeiJunLi> petn-randall: well the first command just outputed the first error I have pastebin
• 2971[18:46:51] <n-iCe> [ 2.640874] bluetooth hci0: Direct firmware load failed with error -2
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• 2975[18:48:35] <tomcres> n-iCe, shoot. that's all? you don't get the "failed to load…" message?
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• 2980[18:49:58] <n-iCe> [ 2.640869] bluetooth hci0: firmware: failed to load brcm/BCM20702A0-0a5c-21e6.hcd (-2)
• 2981[18:50:10] <petn-randall> WeiJunLi: It's better if you understand what the command does before running it. Luckily they all come with man pages.
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• 2984[18:50:41] <petn-randall> WeiJunLi: 'make deb-pkg' will only give you kernel package if you downloaded the source from upstream, as I said.
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• 2991[18:52:57] <tomcres> oh. it's e6 at the end, not e8. Can you rename the file to have e6.hcd at the end instead of e8.hcd? I just Googled this. It should work.
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• 2995[18:53:40] <n-iCe> cp /lib/firmware/brcm/BCM20702A0-0a5c-21e8.hcd /lib/firmware/brcm/BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e6.hcd
• 2996[18:53:43] <n-iCe> like that?
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• 2998[18:54:18] <n-iCe> I have these 3 in that folder BCM20702A0-0a5c-21e8.hcd BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e6.hcd BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e8.hcd
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• 3001[18:54:24] <tomcres> yes, and also BCM20702A0-0a5c-21e6.hcd
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• 3007[18:55:10] <n-iCe> tomcres: ok
• 3008[18:55:11] <n-iCe> rebooting
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• 3021[18:56:58] <n-iCe> no errors now!!
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• 3032[19:00:26] <n-iCe> tomcres: but audio still is being played in the laptop, not in the speakers
• 3033[19:00:27] <n-iCe> haha
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• 3036[19:01:17] <jhutchins_wk> tomcres: So this isn't in firmware-nonfree?
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• 3038[19:01:21] <tomcres> n-iCe, you may have to switch your audio output in pulseaudio.
• 3039[19:01:28] <tomcres> jhutchins_wk, no. unfortunately.
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• 3041[19:01:41] <jhutchins_wk> tomcres: You could file a bugreport and request it.
• 3042[19:01:48] <jhutchins_wk> tomcres: Or see if one already exists.
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• 3044[19:02:15] <WeiJunLi> replaced-url
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• 3052[19:04:22] <tomcres> jhutchins_wk, yes, I will do that
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• 3108[19:22:51] <WeiJunLi> replaced-url
• 3109[19:23:19] <jhutchins_wk> WeiJunLi: No need to repeat.
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• 3124[19:28:47] <fred1807> how do I add this to fstab? mount -t overlay -olowerdir=/home/read2:/home/read2 overlay /home/sum
• 3125[19:28:57] <fred1807> mount -t overlay -olowerdir=/home/read1:/home/read2 overlay /home/sum
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• 3142[19:41:13] <jelly> fred1807: so you have "mount -t fstype -ooptions devicenode mountpoint", it ought to be pretty clear which columns in fstab corresponds to parts of that command line
• 3143[19:41:17] <Katana_Steel> fred1807: overlay /home/sum overlay lowerdir=/home/read2:/home/read2,noauto 0 0
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• 3147[19:41:39] <fred1807> nice
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• 3151[19:43:18] <Katana_Steel> fstab syntax is
• 3152[19:43:18] <Katana_Steel> device mount_point fs options dump_freq fs_order
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• 3160[19:48:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1726
• 3161[19:48:18] <n-iCe> tomcres: sorry, I'm back
• 3162[19:48:22] <n-iCe> change the audio in pulse audio
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• 3167[19:50:14] <tomcres> n-iCe, OK. You can install pavucontrol. That will allow you to select your pulseaudio output.
• 3168[19:50:36] <n-iCe> tomcres: done
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• 3174[19:53:07] <n-iCe> tomcres: it works like a charm
• 3175[19:53:09] <n-iCe> you are the man
• 3176[19:53:12] <n-iCe> thank you tomcres
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• 3180[19:54:03] <tomcres> n-iCe, yay
• 3181[19:54:05] <mrdside> hi, can anybody help with JWM?
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• 3184[19:57:45] <somiaj> mrdside: just ask your question, we don't know we can help or not without knowing th eissue
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• 3188[19:59:48] <mrdside> somiaj: ok. how can i switch keyboard language?
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• 3200[20:01:40] <somiaj> mrdside: this is independent of the wm, and can be done via cli tools. though I would have to look up the command to change keyboard layouts in X
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• 3229[20:07:54] <hoobaman> is ovs startup in network/interfaces in stretch broken?
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• 3233[20:08:38] <kaff33> Hello, i have debian jessie with the kde enviroment. And since beginning it won't save the wifi passwords... Has anybody help?
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• 3235[20:09:13] <n-iCe> [ 2.588986] bluetooth hci0: firmware: failed to load brcm/BCM920702 Bluetooth 4.0-0a5c-21e6.hcd (-2)
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• 3237[20:09:27] <hoobaman> waiting for 5 min timeout (in systemd unit) and than network is up but systemd reports failed state (seems like a sysv vs systemd redirect loop)
• 3238[20:09:44] <mrdside> somiaj: i'm trying JWM
• 3239[20:10:05] <mrdside> i have Gnome Shell and everything works
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• 3246[20:12:01] <somiaj> mrdside: you can just use setxkbmap to change the keyboard layout from a terminal. Might be able to write a script/button for JWM to do this if needed but I don't know JWM.
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• 3267[20:22:19] <tomcres> n-iCe, OK no worries. Just copy the firmware file you already have to that name ("BCM920702 Bluetooth 4.0-0a5c-21e6.hcd"). For some reason this happens to me, too. The kernel sometimes decides it wants it under that name.
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• 3290[20:31:27] <tw> How hard would it be to use the cryptsetup password prompt to select the root partition of an FDE booting install?
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• 3296[20:32:50] <tw> Purely theoretical scenario, DHS forces you to unlock your laptop with FDE, you provide a password that goes into an innocuous-but-used install.
• 3297[20:33:46] <tw> as opposed to the one that has your ssh keys, dirty vacation photos, and other private information.
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• 3313[20:43:01] <jelly> tw: you'd need some custom initramfs code instead/in addition to the normal cryptsetup stuff
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• 3323[20:46:21] <tw> Can you redirect the root partition though, or would you just set the root partition to a /dev/mapper/luksroot and then cryptsetup luksOpen <switchable partition> luksroot
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• 3326[20:47:12] <doubledutch> tw: From what I understand (anybody please correct me if I'm wrong) the root partition is inside the encrypted partition LVM style
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• 3337[20:49:40] <tw> doubledutch: that's my understanding too. As long as you're not using UUID=, it should be okay to misdirect a little.
• 3338[20:49:57] <tw> Rather, not using root=UUID=
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• 3360[20:57:53] <qmr> debian.org mirrors 503 ??
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• 3362[20:58:41] <jhutchins_wk> !mirror status
• 3363[20:58:41] <dpkg> Debian mirrors have timestamp files we use to determine how recently they have been updated. Here are some statistics the mirror maintainers provide: replaced-url
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• 3365[20:59:10] <jhutchins_wk> qmr: More likely a glitch on a particular server.
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• 3368[21:00:01] <qmr> I just commented out all debian.org mirrors from sources.list and ran apt-get update, why is apt-get install trying to reach debian mirrors ???
• 3369[21:00:08] <jhutchins_wk> Heh. Mirror status page timing out.
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• 3371[21:00:48] <jhutchins_wk> qmr: What are you actually trying to do?
• 3372[21:00:54] <qmr> jhutchins_wk: install software
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• 3374[21:01:45] <somiaj> qmr: care to share your sources.list. And what do you mean by debian.org mirrors, which one?
• 3375[21:02:10] <qmr> apt-get update is also still pulling from mirrors that are commented out
• 3376[21:02:16] <qmr> what the fuck
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• 3378[21:02:43] <somiaj> qmr: do you have any files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
• 3379[21:02:43] <qmr> somiaj: the default us is not working, so I switched to mirrors.kernel.org
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• 3381[21:03:02] <jhutchins_wk> qmr: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/?
• 3382[21:03:09] <qmr> no files in there
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• 3386[21:04:30] <jhutchins_wk> qmr: I would suggest you pastebin your sources.list, the exact command you're using, and the exact output.
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• 3406[21:14:10] <qmr> doh, missed a line
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• 3409[21:14:54] <qmr> another problem, why is root login via ssh with password not allowed ? I'm expected to go on console for every machine I set up and fuck with sshd settings?
• 3410[21:15:15] <qmr> it should either be allowed, the installer should ask me if I want to allow it, and or the installer should ask for public keys to install for root
• 3411[21:16:53] <hicks_> it's likely assumed if you're installing you will have console access during install/reboot whether it's physical or via kvm, so changing the config to allow root with pass would be simple. The default however is more secure.
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• 3414[21:17:14] <hicks_> you can also ssh in as the regular user you setup during install and sudo or su depending on which you also have installed
• 3415[21:17:15] <greycat> qmr: it's configurable in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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• 3418[21:17:25] <qmr> "simple". I don't think you manage enough machines
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• 3421[21:20:41] <tw> if you have that many machines, you can use preseed to load up your favorite SCM daemon and have it do all that magic for you.
• 3422[21:21:05] <hicks_> if you manage a lot of machines you may want to look into preseeding the installer replaced-url
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• 3429[21:22:15] <qmr> thanks, that was going to be another question. I knew there was a way to pre provide answers, but forgot what it was called
• 3430[21:22:23] <qmr> I really only care about answering a few things in installer
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• 3432[21:22:50] <hicks_> I''ve never used it so I'm not sure if it's all or nothing, but it's likely worth a look if it's more than a few installs.
• 3433[21:24:13] <somiaj> there are also tools like puppet
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• 3436[21:24:37] <qmr> puppet isn't going to do anything if it can't get into the system
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• 3438[21:25:34] <somiaj> if you don't assign a root password, your user will be given sudo access, that may be a way to go about it
• 3439[21:25:50] <qmr> no user account
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• 3458[21:37:10] <jhutchins_wk> qmr: It's pretty standard security not to allow root login at all, let alone with password. You want the user who makes changes to appear in the logs, even if they go straight to su -.
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• 3461[21:38:28] <jhutchins_wk> qmr: kickstart has also been ported to Debian.
• 3462[21:38:50] <johk> sup
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• 3468[21:41:43] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: ported, but does anyone actually use it
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• 3479[21:46:00] <tw> puppet is a pull architecture. it shouldn't need ssh.
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• 3486[21:51:18] <whathappen> What is the purpose of the messages log file in var/log/messages and what type of information does it hold?
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• 3488[21:52:25] <tw> whathappen: it's the default catchall for everything.
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• 3508[22:02:04] <DammitJim> is there a faster utility than dd for doing a clone of a drive?
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• 3511[22:03:48] <greycat> How do you think you are going to speed up "read from here, write to there"
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• 3513[22:03:58] <jelly> DammitJim: if you're using it correctly, and if you need to clone all of it, no
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• 3517[22:04:54] <jelly> DammitJim: supposedly clonezilla knows about internal structure of filesystems and can skip the parts where it knows there's no data (or metadata)
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• 3525[22:07:41] <_rubik> Quick question. Can anyone recommend a simple latex editor? I've tried kline, but it seems a bit heavy
• 3526[22:08:18] <somiaj> you want WYSIWUG editior? I use vim
• 3527[22:08:27] <somiaj> though nano, gedit, any editor works.
• 3528[22:08:31] <tw> I use vim or lyx, the latter is not simple and not directly a latex editor.
• 3529[22:08:34] <tomcres> Lyx?
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• 3532[22:09:08] <_rubik> Hmm. I've never considered vim
• 3533[22:09:12] <somiaj> tomcres: LyX is an almost WYSIWYG-frontend for LaTeX.
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• 3535[22:09:55] <somiaj> _rubik: vim or most decent editors let you call the compile (latex or pdflatex) right from the editor so you can just view the output in another program.
• 3536[22:10:08] <somiaj> and many have syntax highlighting
• 3537[22:10:22] <_rubik> somiaj: In that case, I might as well just spend some time working with my emacs config
• 3538[22:10:46] <somiaj> _rubik: yea emacs has syntax highlighting and the ability to call latex/pdflatex etc from it. Then just get a seperate viewer
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• 3540[22:11:15] <somiaj> I find evince nice for .pdf output as it refreshes automatical. xpdf is okay, but you have to manually refresh each build
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• 3542[22:11:36] <tw> evince does inotify or similar? I should use that.
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• 3544[22:11:50] <somiaj> tw: unsure, it may just keep an eye on the file and update when the file changes.
• 3545[22:12:21] <tw> that's what inotify would be for.
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• 3547[22:12:47] <tw> or a bunch of other linux apis that do the same thing -_-
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• 3549[22:12:49] <somiaj> it pulls in a few to many gnome depends and uses client side decors, but is still one of the nicer pdf veiwers imo.
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• 3552[22:13:26] <tomcres> somiaj, have you tried atril (MATE fork of evince)?
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• 3555[22:14:15] <somiaj> tomcres: nope, I mostly use chromium in all honesty, no real reason for a spearate pdf viewer nowdays, but hitting reload does get old.
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• 3569[22:21:46] <somiaj> tomcres: well seems it won't work with out dbus, I guess I have to get over trying to avoid it.
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• 3572[22:22:55] <tw> how are you avoiding dbus w/ systemd?
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• 3574[22:23:26] <somiaj> tw: not being very sucessful, but I don't have dbus-x11 installed and most my gtk apps give me warnings that dbus things arne't avilable.
• 3575[22:24:02] <tw> Well the good news is gnome isn't starting processes out of your session and forgetting to clean them up when you logout ;)
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• 3577[22:24:50] <somiaj> tw: and my use case, I really don't see the point in dbus, though I guess it is nice apps can communicate with eachother
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• 3583[22:28:52] <tw> Out of curiosity, how would you define your usecase?
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• 3587[22:29:18] <jhutchins_wk> tw: Interesting. One of the reasons I never used gnome is because it used to do exactly that. KDE4 did too.
• 3588[22:30:01] <tw> I blame dbus. there are probably other factors.
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• 3621[22:50:50] <nadley> hi guys
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• 3625[22:51:53] <nadley> small question for bash expert how bash is understanding "?" for example in : "rm -R ./?*"
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• 3628[22:53:20] <somiaj> nadley: ? means has to match eactly one character, * means any number of characters (including zero characters)
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• 3630[22:53:41] <somiaj> the ? there doens't do much, but ??* would be something different
• 3631[22:54:36] <nadley> somiaj: ok understand I have a lot of files named ???? or ??? or D??E so I have to be carefull to remove them
• 3632[22:55:05] <somiaj> nadley: a ? in your file name may be due to a locale or character set and not an actual "?" character
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• 3634[22:55:17] <somiaj> and bash uses ? to be a wild card so you would have to escape it if you want it to be a literal question mark.
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• 3636[22:55:33] <nadley> ok
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• 3638[22:55:47] <nadley> those files are weird on a serveur
• 3639[22:56:03] <somiaj> yea might be some strange character set for the characters or you aren't using a utf-8 locale
• 3640[22:57:15] <nadley> or the server has been compromised :D
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• 3646[23:00:53] <jhutchins_wk> nadley: Files created in a non-default language, on a different OS is most likely, followed by data corruption. Security compromise seldom leaves something that obvious.
• 3647[23:01:14] <jhutchins_wk> nadley: I have found mc to be a useful tool in dealing with hard-to-handle filenames.
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• 3652[23:03:09] <borsin> noob question -- how is ??* better than ?*, what does one "?" wildcard not do that two "??" do? wouldnt two ?? skip any file containing only one char in its name?
• 3653[23:03:23] <jhutchins_wk> borsin: Correct.
• 3654[23:04:02] <greycat> Indeed, ??* matches any file with at least two characters, the first not being a period.
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• 3657[23:04:08] <jhutchins_wk> borsin: Probably more usefull as radio??* or something.
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• 3661[23:06:56] <nadley> jhutchins_wk: ok thanks
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• 3716[23:42:55] <IncarceratedSeaT> hey all, im having an issue here on debian. Im trying to add my ovpn file to my network-manager but after i select the ovpn file it just closes and doesnt do anything. i just reinstalled debian and about an hour ago it still worked. i already have openvpn, network-manager-openvpn and network-manager-openvpn-gnome installed.
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• 3718[23:43:38] <IncarceratedSeaT> i've even tried removing the packages and reinstalling them, but it still closes as soon as i select any ovpn file
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• 3731[23:54:17] <rhizome_> hi all. so, i realized today that my debian test machine is running google chrome 48, which is like a year old. is this normal when installing from repo? should i use a different installer instead?
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• 3737[23:55:27] <rhizome_> hmm, /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list has the goog repo commented out.
• 3738[23:56:11] <IncarceratedSeaT> I think its normal, debian uses older but stable software. if you want to use the newest version then add a repository that has the latest packages :)
• 3739[23:56:33] <mtn> chrome is not in debian
• 3740[23:56:57] <rhizome_> hrm. maybe i have multiple goog repos stinking up the place
• 3741[23:56:59] * rhizome_ checks
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• 3743[23:57:41] <dax> and chromium (which *is* in debian) would be 37 (oldstable) or 55/56 (stable+), so yeah, it'll be google repo stuff
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• 3746[23:58:59] <rhizome_> i'm guessing i commented out that repo a year ago, so my installation never updated
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• 3749[23:59:18] <rhizome_> we-ard
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