• 0[00:00:16] <missmbob> without upgrading to a newer kernel i think you're screwed. buy a new usb wireless
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• 2[00:00:55] <missmbob> you could just see if 4.9 has fixed your bug. kernels do get fixes
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• 4[00:01:47] <somiaj> might also just need to install the kernel microcode from non-free too
• 5[00:01:49] <budder> missmbob: replaced-url
• 6[00:02:16] <missmbob> budder: that's up to 4.2. not 4.9
• 7[00:02:51] <budder> o
• 8[00:03:14] <missmbob> and i have to go. good to see somiaj is here. good luck
• 9[00:03:17] <budder> missmbob: i'm pretty sure I had several kernels past 4.2 and still was affected by this bug
• 10[00:03:34] <budder> missmbob: okay thank you
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• 12[00:04:44] <somiaj> budder: I notice that the end of that report people are reporting a patch that works if applied to the 4.9 kernel (unsure if it is in it yet)
• 13[00:05:12] <budder> somiaj: i tried that patch and still suffered the freezing
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• 19[00:05:46] <somiaj> budder: do you have the kernel micorcode installed. AT this junction have you checked if there is record of this bug in the debian BTS?
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• 21[00:06:04] <budder> somiaj: no idea what you are talking about
• 22[00:06:13] <budder> somiaj: i'm new
• 23[00:06:21] <somiaj> !microcode
• 24[00:06:21] <dpkg> Microcode are instructions/structures for implementing high-level machine code within processors. The Linux kernel can load updated microcode on most x86 processors. Microcode patches for Intel and AMD64 CPUs are packaged for Debian as intel-microcode and amd64-microcode respectively; installing the relevant package is recommended to ensure system stability. Ask me about <non-free sources>. replaced-url
• 25[00:06:34] <somiaj> budder: firmware for the cpu
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• 33[00:09:22] <budder> somiaj: how about this? replaced-url
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• 36[00:09:51] <somiaj> I'm unsure if that includes the microcode or just firmware for say wifi devices
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• 69[00:23:20] <budder> somiaj: i am attemping the instructions on that page
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• 71[00:23:25] <budder> i have downloaded the two packages
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• 74[00:24:06] <budder> somiaj: i am using a window 10 pc. now that i have downloaded those two packages, what exactly are my next steps? the instructions are a little advanced forme
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• 77[00:24:35] <somiaj> !firmware installer
• 78[00:24:35] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See replaced-url
• 79[00:24:40] <somiaj> !firmware images
• 80[00:24:40] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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• 82[00:24:48] <dvs> firmware iso?
• 83[00:24:53] <somiaj> ^^ use that second thing the bot outputed to get a firmware iso.
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• 90[00:27:49] <budder> somiaj: i don't understand
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• 94[00:28:21] <budder> somiaj: i am trying to extract the two packages into the debian installation media. i am unsure how
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• 98[00:28:43] <dvs> budder, those are installation media with the firmware included.
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• 101[00:29:31] <somiaj> budder: I gave you a link to an image that has all the non-free firmware included (though unsure if it contains the microcode)
• 102[00:29:38] <somiaj> well I had the bot give it
• 103[00:29:49] <budder> dvs: i already tried that but installation was still missing the files
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• 106[00:30:49] <ttl-> is it possible to boot from an USB flashdrive and load GRUB2 which is on my first hard drive ?
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• 108[00:31:39] <ttl-> i'm struggling with an acer laptop which won't boot linux from hdd
• 109[00:31:49] <ttl-> GPT UEFI
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• 112[00:32:00] <budder> somiaj: i already tried that image and it still gave me the same error
• 113[00:32:03] <budder> about the missing files
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• 115[00:32:06] <ttl-> the is no legacy boot option in the bios
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• 119[00:33:24] <jasonwc> Is there a way to backport a package from Jessie to Wheezy, where the build process is actually run on Jessie? Otherwise, I need to manually backport all of the build dependencies first, which is rather painful.
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• 122[00:34:26] <CeBe> jasonwc: to build a binary, and link it to libaries of a specific version, that version of the library should be available on the system
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• 124[00:34:49] <CeBe> so I do not think there is an easy way to do this
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• 126[00:35:15] <CeBe> jasonwc: why do you want to backport something to wheezy?
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• 129[00:36:55] <jasonwc> CeBe: I am running Samba from Backports on my Wheezy server serving files and media streaming to Linux and Windows clients, and it had been working perfectly for 2 years. Then I moved my main desktop to Windows 10 and I started getting "panic or segfault in samba" messages.
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• 131[00:37:12] <somiaj> jasonwc: you can do it in a chroot, or use a tool like pbuilder
• 132[00:37:34] <somiaj> jasonwc: so build a wheezy chroot on your jessie machine, compile inside the chroot, copy the .deb over
• 133[00:37:35] <jasonwc> CeBe Yeah, I thought pbuilder was made for this, but the only guide I found was for Ubuntu
• 134[00:37:38] <jasonwc> replaced-url
• 135[00:37:59] <somiaj> debian wiki has info about pbuilder, sbuild as well. Or you can just manually build a chroot with debootstrap
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• 138[00:38:46] <jasonwc> Is there a guide for using chroot? I was following the Debian Administrator's Manual for instructions on doing the building but Samba just has too many build dependencies. I ran through about 10 and gave up.
• 139[00:38:57] <jasonwc> It mentions pbuilder, but offers no guidance on usage.
• 140[00:39:00] <CeBe> jasonwc: replaced-url
• 141[00:39:13] <jasonwc> thanks
• 142[00:39:48] <CeBe> I have not read it so not sure it contains all information you need but the title sounds just like what you need
• 143[00:40:28] <CeBe> about chroot, there is replaced-url
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• 186[01:02:17] <Emil> Hi
• 187[01:02:39] <Emil> I just downloaded thw latest non free iso image from debian cd downloads
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• 190[01:03:27] <ryouma> is it possible to tell whether an error is hardware or software? "lost page write due to I/O error on dm-4" on external drive.
• 191[01:03:41] <Emil> replaced-url
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• 193[01:03:49] <Emil> This one specifically
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• 195[01:04:06] <Emil> And now on install it says that "bad archive mirror"
• 196[01:04:18] <budder> how can i extract firmware into the installation media?
• 197[01:04:22] <somiaj> Emil: how did you copy this iso to your install medium?
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• 199[01:04:29] <dvs> Emil, the non-live one would be a better one to do an install with
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• 201[01:04:35] <ryouma> two days later i got these errors: replaced-url
• 202[01:04:39] <budder> downloaded two separate .debs and need them load onto the installation media
• 203[01:04:39] <Emil> In the section configure the package manager
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• 205[01:04:47] <Emil> And select mirror
• 206[01:04:52] <Emil> somiaj: dd
• 207[01:05:04] <somiaj> Emil: as dvs said, try the offical installer, no the live images
• 208[01:05:05] <Emil> dvs: I wantes to download the desktop environment directly
• 209[01:05:13] <somiaj> budder: what .deb's did you download?
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• 217[01:05:42] <Emil> somiaj: the live images only differ in that they have the desktop environment on boars
• 218[01:05:45] <Texou> ryouma: in general I/O errors are due to lack of space or hardware problem in my experience
• 219[01:05:59] <ryouma> Texou: thanks.
• 220[01:06:00] <somiaj> Emil: the installers differ, espically if you are using the installer from inside the live image.
• 221[01:06:03] <budder> somiaj: firmware-iwlwifi_0
• 222[01:06:07] <ryouma> Texou: smartctl says no problems
• 223[01:06:07] <Emil> somiaj: Im not
• 224[01:06:12] <budder> 0.43_all.deb
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• 226[01:06:20] <Emil> somiaj: Iselected the install non graphical version
• 227[01:06:21] <ryouma> no offline uncorrectable, and no pending
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• 229[01:06:25] <somiaj> budder: this is already on the non-free .iso you have been pointed to. Why not just use that iso?
• 230[01:06:32] <somiaj> ,v firmware-iwlwifi
• 231[01:06:33] <judd> Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-2~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-2; sid/non-free: 20161130-2
• 232[01:06:38] <Texou> ryouma: and have you checked the filesystem?
• 233[01:06:41] <budder> somiaj: firmware-realtek_0.43_all.deb
• 234[01:06:57] <Emil> So if someone could confirm my issue that'd bw great
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• 236[01:06:59] <budder> somiaj: it is not on it
• 237[01:07:00] <somiaj> budder: that is on the non-free iso as well, just use the one that is already made.
• 238[01:07:07] <somiaj> budder: it is, what makes you think it isn't?
• 239[01:07:13] <budder> somiaj: i tried twice already
• 240[01:07:24] <Emil> If someone could whip up a virtualbox or similar quickly
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• 242[01:07:28] <somiaj> budder: newer realtek or intel wifi cards may need a newer kernel and/or firmware, but that is a different issue.
• 243[01:07:31] <ryouma> Texou: i unmounted then did fsck -f, which reported that it was fine. should i check using anything more sophisticated?
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• 245[01:07:34] <Emil> Sweden didnt have the file either
• 246[01:08:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1715
• 247[01:08:02] <Texou> ryouma: and when do I/O errors appear?
• 248[01:08:08] <budder> how can i extract those two .debs into the disk image?
• 249[01:08:12] <budder> using windows
• 250[01:08:13] <Emil> So I'm led to believe that you have a broken setting on the instalö media
• 251[01:08:19] <ryouma> Texou: first appeared 2d ago
• 252[01:08:20] <Emil> yeah USA doesnt have it eiter
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• 254[01:08:23] <Emil> either*
• 255[01:08:36] <Texou> ryouma: but what action were you doing?
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• 257[01:08:49] <Emil> So if someone could relay this message to the people responsible foe that archive and/or the media
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• 259[01:08:57] <Emil> that'd be great
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• 263[01:10:24] <budder> somiaj: can you please just help me extract those two files
• 264[01:10:29] <Texou> probably a package to report a bug to
• 265[01:10:44] <ryouma> Texou: typically all i do with it is rsync. i do not know for sure the first couple of errors, but the next bunch were at rsync time.
• 266[01:10:54] <ryouma> (next meaning a couple of hours later 2d ago)
• 267[01:11:19] <Texou> ryouma: and are you sure you've enough space on disk?
• 268[01:11:39] <ryouma> Texou: yes
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• 270[01:12:18] <Texou> ryouma: in logs, do you see some further info about possible on/off of the disk
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• 272[01:13:44] <ryouma> Texou: yes, actually, several hours before the i/o error
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• 274[01:13:47] <Emil> somiaj: dvs
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• 276[01:13:51] <Emil> please advice
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• 279[01:14:11] <Texou> ryouma: may be a power problem as well
• 280[01:14:23] <ryouma> Texou: culminating in "sd 14:0:0:0: [sdf] Attached SCSI disk" which is strange because it is supposed to be on sdc
• 281[01:14:36] <ryouma> s/on //
• 282[01:14:45] <dvs> Emil, you alright have my advise: use the non-live installer
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• 284[01:14:52] <Emil> dvs: i am
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• 287[01:15:06] <ryouma> Texou: it is usb powered. maybe i will try rear ports. however, it has worked for years.
• 288[01:15:23] <Texou> ryouma: yes I've a similar problem
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• 290[01:15:33] <dvs> Emil, what's the name of the ISO
• 291[01:15:47] <Texou> ryouma: the electric power is damaged I think, so I need to iind the good place to avoid plugging/unplugging
• 292[01:16:04] <Texou> otherwise, it mounts/unmounts and generates I/O errors
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• 294[01:16:13] <Emil> dvs: The non live install of the iso I use is identical to the install of the non live version. The only difference is thay the desktop environment comes on the disk, which I want
• 295[01:16:18] <Texou> it's all the more possible as it's an old disk
• 296[01:16:26] <Emil> dvs: as previously linked
• 297[01:16:29] <dvs> Emil, no, they're not
• 298[01:16:35] <ryouma> Texou: i wonder if i should get a y connector
• 299[01:16:37] <Emil> dvs: yes they are
• 300[01:16:40] <Emil> and you know it
• 301[01:16:41] <dvs> the installer behaves different.
• 302[01:16:46] * missmbob pulls dvs' teeth
• 303[01:16:52] <ryouma> (i don't understand the electronics here so don't know if htat makes sense)
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• 305[01:17:10] <Emil> dvs: mind spinning up a vm to confirm my issue
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• 307[01:17:29] <Texou> ryouma: dunno. It's often a simple problem of cable, but also just a kind of positioning the disk properly
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• 313[01:19:08] <Emil> dvs: hey
• 314[01:19:19] <Emil> dvs: I can even quote the page for you
• 315[01:19:21] <Emil> There are two types of image here:
• 316[01:19:21] <Emil> "netinst" install CDs that also include firmware to make installation easier
• 317[01:19:21] <Emil> live images including firmware packages pre-installed
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• 320[01:19:48] <dvs> Emil, nope. I've tried installing using the live image and it is definitely different than the normal installer.
• 321[01:19:48] <Emil> sigh
• 322[01:20:14] <Emil> dvs: well, if you are associated with debian mind changing that page then
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• 326[01:20:43] <Emil> dvs: because you seem to not want to acknowledge your issue here
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• 329[01:21:18] <dvs> ha! Mine is installed (using the netinstall). I have no problems here.
• 330[01:21:24] <ealfonso> how do I set up the default mailto: link handler in debian?
• 331[01:21:54] <Emil> dvs: >Closed. cannot replicate on different parameters hurr durr
• 332[01:22:08] <CeBe> ealfonso: I think that depends on the desktop env you are using. are you on Gnome3?
• 333[01:22:13] <Emil> dvs: how about you try to install the same one
• 334[01:22:26] <Emil> just select install in the menu
• 335[01:22:44] <ealfonso> CeBe I'm using stumpwm
• 336[01:22:58] <CeBe> ealfonso: hm no idea then :)
• 337[01:23:06] <CeBe> I could tell you for gnome
• 338[01:23:06] <ealfonso> How does firefox invoke the default mail program?
• 339[01:23:46] <ealfonso> it looks like firefox is invoking mutt
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• 341[01:24:58] <Emil> somiaj: how about you?
• 342[01:25:04] <Texou> ealfonso: I'd say in Settings, Apps or Contents tab?
• 343[01:25:36] <CeBe> ealfonso: replaced-url
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• 345[01:26:14] <ealfonso> CeBe that's all gnome specific
• 346[01:26:16] <CeBe> the second answer talks about ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list and also has a comment about mailto handler
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• 348[01:26:37] <CeBe> is that file also a gnome thing?
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• 354[01:27:11] <Emil> debhelper: mods?
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• 358[01:28:23] <Emil> I dont want to spam the mailinglists
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• 370[01:34:23] <Emil> wow
• 371[01:34:36] <Emil> you broke security.debian.org, too
• 372[01:34:41] <Emil> nice to know
• 373[01:34:56] <Emil> At least on this install
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• 375[01:35:35] <themill> by 'you' you mean 'I'?
• 376[01:36:17] <themill> (more specifics and less obscure and uninterpretable jibes will get you better help)
• 377[01:36:31] <Emil> themill: well, if you can break the systeminstall by following the debian instructions
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• 379[01:36:44] <themill> vague...
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• 382[01:37:08] <themill> "the instructions" is about as meaningless as you can get
• 383[01:37:45] <Emil> themill: download debian 8.7.1 live and try to install it
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• 385[01:37:52] <Emil> from
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• 388[01:38:42] <missmbob> which you shouldn't do. use the real installer.
• 389[01:38:49] <themill> You've already been told it's better not to use the live images... (that would have nothing to do with security.d.o)
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• 391[01:39:17] <Emil> replaced-url
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• 395[01:39:45] <Emil> missmbob: so I shoulsnt use the provided and regularly updated downloads that include the necessary deivers
• 396[01:39:52] <Emil> even though it is provied by devian
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• 398[01:40:04] <missmbob> Emil: not the live version no
• 399[01:40:12] <themill> You should use the installation media to do installs. That's been said to you several times now.
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• 401[01:40:32] <themill> You can believe us or not. I don't care. There's nothing to discuss about it though.
• 402[01:40:33] <Emil> themill: how about you troubleshoot the problem instead of being silly
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• 404[01:40:49] <Emil> themill: okay what install includeds the fesktop environmwnt?
• 405[01:40:51] <themill> !doesn't work
• 406[01:40:51] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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• 408[01:40:59] <CeBe> Emil: I have not seen you describing a problem in any more detail than "it does not work"
• 409[01:41:13] <themill> It's impossible to troubleshoot problembs when all you get is "it doesn't work #include <rant>"
• 410[01:41:26] <Emil> CeBe: can you not read?
• 411[01:41:32] <Emil> Nor you?
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• 413[01:41:39] <themill> Emil: real commands and real output. Last warning.
• 414[01:41:41] <Emil> The proöem was already desrcibed above
• 415[01:42:04] <themill> [11:34] <Emil> you broke security.debian.org, too ← is that supposed to be your problem description?
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• 417[01:43:36] <coruja> !ask
• 418[01:43:36] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 425[01:45:01] <Emil> themill: super bad management wwhen you dont even bother to lastlog and threaten with banning. Such awesome moderator you are. Configuring the package manager is broken. None of the links on any counth work and produce an error on bad archive mirror. In addition they fail to reach security.debian.org
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• 427[01:45:44] <themill> I have read lastlog and only found the most useless of vague statements hence asking 3 times for details.
• 428[01:45:45] <coruja> error output pls, else no-one can really help
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• 431[01:46:00] <CeBe> Emil: I can "reach" security.debian.org just fine.
• 432[01:46:20] <Emil> CeBe: noht, hence broken build
• 433[01:46:29] <CeBe> wat?
• 434[01:46:29] <themill> Emil: is your network even configured? do any websites work? Are you still in the installer or are you still installing?
• 435[01:46:32] <Emil> coruja: pictures? sure
• 436[01:46:38] <themill> You know, details...
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• 439[01:48:16] <coruja> Emil, and a less complaining tone would increase chances of getting help too
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• 444[01:50:31] <phen> Hello/ I'm wondering why module configuration options in an /etc/modprobe.d conf file would be ignored. I'm explicitly setting those options, but when i do modprobe.info, the configs dont show up
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• 446[01:52:32] <phen> is there any other way to set kernel module options besides a file in modules.d?
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• 448[01:53:33] <somiaj> phen: what module? What options? what did you do after you added them?
• 449[01:53:37] <r3dhax> help
• 450[01:53:39] <r3dhax> help
• 451[01:53:45] <somiaj> !ask
• 452[01:53:45] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 453[01:54:36] <Emil> coruja: when the answer you get is "fuckoff and use the other version" you kind of get annyed
• 454[01:54:48] <Emil> and when people dont even bother to look at the latlog
• 455[01:55:05] <themill> Emil: seriously...
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• 458[01:56:35] <Emil> Apparently the install succeeds in network configuration but doesnt actually get internet (tested an hour ago, the device can access internet on the old os just fine)
• 459[01:56:46] <Emil> Switched to wlan and now we are going forwars
• 460[01:57:00] <Emil> themill: yes, seriously
• 461[01:57:04] <themill> If it's not actually on the network then that would explain every single error message that comes after
• 462[01:57:07] <CeBe> so you have internet with wlan?
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• 466[01:58:13] <themill> (and we'd really appreciate it if you provided such details an hour ago rather than making us guess for an hour and try to wade through the rants to find the details)
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• 469[01:58:23] <Emil> themill: I do and the network configuration succeeds so gg on not telling the user that eth0 doebt actually work
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• 471[01:58:44] <Emil> themill: do you seriously want me to compile the lastlog foe you?
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• 473[01:58:57] <themill> I have it in front of me and have done so for a while...
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• 475[01:59:15] <Emil> Apparently not
• 476[01:59:17] <CeBe> Emil: do you still have any errors or is your problem solved?
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• 480[01:59:30] <Emil> CeBe: eth0 is connectwd and
• 481[01:59:41] <Emil> passes the network configuration
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• 485[02:00:28] <coruja> Emil, actually you seem to want ppl here to do something for you, so it's up to you to provide details, even repeatedly if necessary
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• 487[02:01:16] <Emil> but dropping into the shell and testing I get no result
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• 489[02:01:23] <themill> testing how?
• 490[02:01:26] <themill> testing what?
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• 493[02:02:04] <Emil> ping 8.8.8.8
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• 497[02:02:28] <CeBe> Emil: and what does that return?
• 498[02:02:39] <Emil> 100% packe loss
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• 500[02:03:39] <CeBe> paste the output of sudo ifconfig and ip route
• 501[02:03:52] <missmbob> ifconfig -a
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• 504[02:06:39] <Emil> Installed it using my phones internet
• 505[02:06:47] <Emil> And itworks just fine now
• 506[02:06:58] <Emil> So sometjing bad is going on in the instaler
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• 508[02:07:24] <missmbob> it's the wrong one
• 509[02:07:29] <Emil> CeBe: doyoustill want the rpaste of those?
• 510[02:07:40] <CeBe> Emil: I have no idea what you are doing
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• 512[02:07:58] <Emil> missmbob: what installer contains the desktop environment?
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• 514[02:08:11] <Emil> CeBe: you asked for those pastes
• 515[02:08:24] <missmbob> i'm not doing that again
• 516[02:08:25] <themill> Any of the installer images can install any desktop environment.
• 517[02:08:30] <Emil> Do you only care about them from during install or after install also
• 518[02:08:30] <CeBe> Emil: every installer can install a desktop environment
• 519[02:08:43] <Emil> Nahit
• 520[02:08:47] <Emil> noshit*
• 521[02:08:57] <Emil> but they download it feom the interwt
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• 525[02:09:33] <CeBe> Emil: I don't get it, are you stuck with a problem somewhere or not? does the ping work now or not?
• 526[02:10:00] <Emil> And the page is very clear on the install: the ony difference is hat duringnormal terminal install we avoid downloading the desktop environment because it is already on the install media
• 527[02:10:34] <coruja> Emil, as you chose the xfce live iso, you'll get xfce installed at first (which can be changed later ofc)
• 528[02:10:41] <Emil> CeBe: I couldnt continue the install through eth0 even though it works after install and before install
• 529[02:10:51] <Emil> coruja: yes
• 530[02:10:53] <Emil> I know
• 531[02:11:15] <Emil> CeBe: So I installed through my phones wifi
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• 533[02:11:54] <Emil> Do you care of the paste you asked foe still
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• 535[02:12:18] <Emil> or would you only care for one from during theinstall
• 536[02:12:25] <CeBe> no, as that would not reflect the situation where it did not work
• 537[02:12:33] <Emil> Alrigty
• 538[02:12:39] <coruja> iirc you even needn't internet connection at all to complete the (a bit out of date) desktop installation
• 539[02:12:48] <somiaj> lets just move on, you got it to work and since things have changed no sense debugging what was wrong with your network configuration during the install.
• 540[02:12:48] <Emil> Iknow
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• 542[02:13:39] <Emil> somiaj: well, to avoid other people from coming here and asking about the same issue I recommend someone marks this on the list of investigate if tiw
• 543[02:13:45] <Emil> time*
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• 545[02:14:21] <CeBe> Emil: without any info more than "it did not work for someone in some way" this is not really useful
• 546[02:14:41] <Emil> CeBe: what info would you like to have
• 547[02:15:03] <CeBe> the one I asked for above but that seems impossible to get
• 548[02:15:05] <themill> !installation report
• 549[02:15:05] <dpkg> installation report is, like, replaced-url
• 550[02:15:32] <themill> (assuming the installer on the live images leaves such logs around afterwards)
• 551[02:15:45] <somiaj> Emil: this is not the place to make notes of bugs, we try to help/support people who run into issues. If you think it is a bug, repeate the install, reporudce the bug and report it.
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• 553[02:16:05] <somiaj> though it would be better if you could reproduce it on an offical installer over the live one.
• 554[02:16:23] <themill> Given that this is (a) hardware specific and (b) on the live installer, I doubt anyone will ever spend time on it other than to try it, find it works for them and move on.
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• 559[02:18:25] <wz> hello
• 560[02:18:56] <wz> who help me with video in skype? kali 8-)
• 561[02:19:03] <somiaj> !kali
• 562[02:19:03] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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• 565[02:19:21] <somiaj> wz: we don't support kali linux here, please use their support and for skype, you should try the webapp.
• 566[02:19:23] <wz> thx
• 567[02:19:27] <wz> im read
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• 575[02:23:49] <budder> hello
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• 584[02:32:02] <budder> is it possible to add firmware packages AFTER installing debian?
• 585[02:32:10] <petemc> yes
• 586[02:32:28] <budder> how?
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• 588[02:32:35] <ratherstrange> dpkg -i firmware package
• 589[02:32:35] <dpkg> package firmware package is already installed
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• 593[02:33:08] <budder> without internet
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• 595[02:33:27] <budder> i don't have access to the network on the computer with debian installed on it
• 596[02:33:40] <ratherstrange> You could use external media such as a USB flash drive, or a smartphone.
• 597[02:33:47] <themill> You can download the package from packages.debian.org
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• 601[02:37:47] <dTal> has anyone implemented IP over flash drive?
• 602[02:38:09] <Emil> Apparently the issue was with the router requiring authentication. It should probably warn about that during network testing. Please add a note about checking the network authorisation for future reference
• 603[02:38:19] <budder> ratherstrange: okay but then how would i install them>
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• 605[02:38:35] <ratherstrange> You would do something like the following:
• 606[02:38:38] <budder> the .deb files
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• 608[02:38:57] <themill> dpkg: tell Emil about reportbug
• 609[02:39:01] <petemc> dTal: flash drive is storage medium not network node
• 610[02:39:21] <themill> Emil: as already mentioned, IRC is hopeless for reporting bugs
• 611[02:39:32] <Emil> themill: not for me
• 612[02:39:34] <Emil> for you
• 613[02:39:36] <dTal> petemc: you'd wear out your USB port for sure
• 614[02:39:47] <ratherstrange> Download the firmware onto a flash drive or smartphone, then copy them to your home folder. Once they're there, you can open up a terminal, and depending if you chose to use a root password, switch to root and type dpkg -i firmware-example
• 615[02:40:03] <Emil> When someone else comes whining about eth0 not working, suggest checking the authorisation
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• 617[02:40:10] <petemc> dTal: usb network devices exist
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• 619[02:40:24] <dTal> petemc: it was a joke, relax
• 620[02:40:40] <petemc> good one
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• 624[02:41:16] <themill> Emil: contrary to expectations, I don't spend all my time in #debian
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• 626[02:41:48] <missmbob> i didnt even know that's what you were whining about
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• 628[02:41:57] <dTal> RFC 1149 should do the trick though
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• 630[02:42:47] <budder> ratherstrange: is there a writeup on this online?
• 631[02:42:55] <budder> or a wiki page?
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• 643[02:49:06] <JC_SoCal> can anyone help me with this sed statement? the search text is correct, yet it doesn't perform the replacement: sed -ie "s\'gnulinux-simple-$boot_device_id'\'gnulinux-simple-$boot_device_id' --unrestricted\g" /etc/grub.d/10_linux
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• 651[02:52:06] <CeBe> JC_SoCal: 1. backslash is an escape character, better use / instead 2. $boot will be replaced as a shell variable so you should escape the $
• 652[02:52:30] <JC_SoCal> ahhh -- i was messing with the backslashes -- but the $boot i wasn't aware of thank you
• 653[02:53:13] <CeBe> it will be replaced inside doulbe quotes but not inside single quotes
• 654[02:53:24] <budder> where do i extract the deb files on the installer?
• 655[02:53:35] <budder> replaced-url
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• 657[02:54:26] <budder> i have downloaded the zip file and am now looking to extract it. options are: .disk, boot, css, dists, etc
• 658[02:54:43] <budder> doc, efi, firmware, install, install.amd, isolinux, pics, pool, tools
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• 672[02:59:14] <AlexLikeRock> budder, do you try install firmware ?
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• 677[03:00:42] <budder> AlexLikeRock: i am trying to figure out where to extract it
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• 679[03:01:18] <Haroldal> ust...
• 680[03:01:18] <Haroldal> Just ate a burger at the sleazy joint
• 681[03:01:18] <Haroldal> Now I gotta take a shit, get to the point
• 682[03:01:26] <Haroldal> Sittin' on the toilet, my ass is a blast
• 683[03:01:26] <Haroldal> Runnin' smelly diarrhea outta my ass
• 684[03:01:33] <Haroldal> No fuckin' paper
• 685[03:01:33] <Haroldal> Hey baby lick my ass 'til your face turns blue
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• 687[03:01:42] <Haroldal> You're finished rimmin' me and you want some more
• 688[03:01:42] <Haroldal> Ya say ya don't flush but your out the door
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• 690[03:01:55] <Haroldal> I'm back in the...with a cup
• 691[03:01:55] <Haroldal> Scoop it outta the toilet 'cause you wanna slurp it up
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• 693[03:02:05] <Haroldal> Eat my diarrhea you're chuggin' it down
• 694[03:02:05] <Haroldal> You're suckin' my ass and your lips are all brown
• 695[03:02:08] <AlexLikeRock> correct location (/lib/firmware)
• 696[03:02:13] <Haroldal> Since we've gone back to the hamburger place
• 697[03:02:13] <Haroldal> I'm gonna stick my ass right on your face
• 698[03:02:21] <Haroldal> I'm gonna shit in your mouth
• 699[03:02:22] <Haroldal> I'm gonna shit in your face, your mouth
• 700[03:02:26] <budder> there is no /lib/
• 701[03:02:28] <Haroldal> And I wanna shit on your mother
• 702[03:02:28] <Haroldal> I'm gonna shit on you and your mother
• 703[03:02:31] <tomcres> !ops haroldal
• 704[03:02:31] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: tomcres complains about: haroldal
• 705[03:02:40] <Haroldal> And I wanna shit on your mother
• 706[03:02:40] <Haroldal> I'm gonna shit on you and your mother
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• 709[03:03:00] <budder> i just have: .disk, boot, css, dists, doc, efi, firmware, install, install.amd, isolinux, pics, pool, tools
• 710[03:03:03] <budder> AlexLikeRock:
• 711[03:03:34] <AlexLikeRock> you say about CD?
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• 714[03:04:30] <budder> AlexLikeRock: what
• 715[03:04:31] <budder> ?
• 716[03:05:12] <AlexLikeRock> thiyou talk about ISO path ?
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• 722[03:07:05] <JC_SoCal> CeBe: i thought i did this right ... maybe i misunderstood something? sed -ie "s/\'gnulinux-simple-$boot_device_id\'/\'gnulinux-simple-\$boot_device_id\' --unrestricted/g" /etc/grub.d/10_linux
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• 725[03:08:01] <lhx> Weird question: Is there a way to do a --purge of configuration files only (i.e. set the configuration files back to as if the package was freshly installed, but WITHOUT removing the package?)
• 726[03:08:19] <lhx> I somehow borked my python install, but I don't want to remove it because of too many depends
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• 729[03:10:07] <CeBe> JC_SoCal: what is the content you wan to replace exactly?
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• 731[03:10:57] <JC_SoCal> CeBe: thats the trick, i don't want to replace -- i'm trying to append the --unrestricted at the end of that section -- this is the best way i know how
• 732[03:12:11] <CeBe> JC_SoCal: replace 'gnulinux-simple-$boot_device_id' with 'gnulinux-simple-$boot_device_id --unrestricted' ?
• 733[03:13:58] <JC_SoCal> yes
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• 735[03:14:55] <CeBe> JC_SoCal: that should work: sed -i "s/'gnulinux-simple-\$boot_device_id'/'gnulinux-simple-\$boot_device_id --unrestricted'/" /etc/grub.d/10_linux
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• 738[03:15:11] <CeBe> JC_SoCal: you can test it without -i first
• 739[03:15:46] <JC_SoCal> yeah, yours worked
• 740[03:15:52] <JC_SoCal> oh i forgot to escape the first $
• 741[03:15:55] <JC_SoCal> damn it -- thank you
• 742[03:16:00] <CeBe> yw
• 743[03:16:10] <missmbob> in the future there is #sed btw
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• 745[03:16:28] <JC_SoCal> ha, there's a sed channel, a channel for everything
• 746[03:16:38] <JC_SoCal> oh -- it says i need an invite
• 747[03:16:46] <missmbob> sorry, ##sed
• 748[03:16:56] <missmbob> or you have to have a registered nick
• 749[03:17:14] <JC_SoCal> thx
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• 789[03:46:18] <veek> what's the chroot in ${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$
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• 792[03:47:37] <CeBe> veek: a chroot you might be in
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• 797[03:49:14] <Jacobthegreat> hello guys, how to enable the b43 module on startup without typing modprobe every time i boot my computer
• 798[03:49:21] <veek> CeBe, but that's when i echo PS1
• 799[03:49:46] <CeBe> Jacobthegreat: put it in /etc/modules
• 800[03:49:51] <somiaj> Jacobthegreat: it isn't being detected? You can list it in /etc/modules in that case
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• 802[03:50:36] <Jacobthegreat> i don't know, i tried it but it doesn't load
• 803[03:50:44] <CeBe> veek: the prompt may show the chroot if you are in a chroot
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• 805[03:53:02] <somiaj> Jacobthegreat: seems systemd wants things in /etc/modules-load.d/foo.conf files
• 806[03:53:25] <somiaj> Jacobthegreat: but I have a link there modules.conf that points to /etc/modules, check that directory
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• 808[03:54:17] <Jacobthegreat> oh, i saw the module blacklisted maybe it's the problem
• 809[03:54:27] <Jacobthegreat> i'm gonna reboot
• 810[03:54:28] <somiaj> Jacobthegreat: yea that could be it
• 811[03:54:40] <somiaj> Jacobthegreat: any reason you want to use b43 over the newer module that probabaly blacklisted that one?
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• 813[03:55:07] <Jacobthegreat> i can't connect to wifi
• 814[03:55:25] <Jacobthegreat> but when i run modprobe b43 it works
• 815[03:55:36] <somiaj> yea I'm unsure about the b43 drivers, just wonder if there is a newer module that is supose to give better support. Anyways, can you tell me what file the blacklist was put in?
• 816[03:56:17] <somiaj> Jacobthegreat: note once you unblacklist it you may not need to also list it in /etc/modules as the kernel may detect the hardware and load it without it
• 817[03:56:46] <Jacobthegreat> it blacklisted all the modules that conflicts to ssb including the b43 module
• 818[03:57:03] <Jacobthegreat> it works now thanks guys
• 819[03:57:04] <somiaj> it? ssb?
• 820[03:57:17] <somiaj> Jacobthegreat: glad you tracked down the issue.
• 821[03:58:23] <Jacobthegreat> I just deleted my facebook and all of my social media account accounts so I went here.
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• 826[04:02:10] <AlexLikeRock> Jacobthegreat, you wish .... "delete" facebook
• 827[04:02:19] <AlexLikeRock> facebook never delet you profile
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• 829[04:02:41] <somiaj> either way it is not really on topic here
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• 952[05:22:39] <st3fann> Hey there, I wanted to know if it would be possible to extend the / partition from a secondary drive using mdadm
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• 963[05:33:09] <lhunath> I installed a bunch of packages using aptitude build-dep to prepare for apt-get -b source, but now decided I don't want to build the package anymore. Any way to remove all those packages I just installed from my system?
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• 966[05:33:27] <st3fann> apt-get autoremove
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• 968[05:34:14] <lhunath> sadly, it doesn't - seems build-dep doesn't mark the packages it installs as dependencies or automatic.
• 969[05:34:43] <themill> lhunath: mk-build-deps would, but it's too late for that for you. You probably need to look at your apt logs
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• 971[05:35:23] <lhunath> where can I find this mk-build-deps?
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• 973[05:36:27] <themill> it's in devscripts
• 974[05:37:23] <lhunath> curious; aptitude search ~N~i doesn't list these deps. how can it differentiate them?
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• 980[05:38:59] <themill> How can which it do what?
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• 982[05:40:18] <themill> (~N doesn't do what you think it does)
• 983[05:41:10] <lhunath> I figured it lists all packages that were installed since forget-new.
• 984[05:41:35] <lhunath> Having trouble finding the exact definition of it in man aptitude.
• 985[05:42:35] <themill> no, it lists all packages that were added to the archive since forget-new
• 986[05:42:44] <themill> !aptitude search
• 987[05:42:44] <dpkg> it has been said that aptitude search is a powerful searching facility that by default only searches package names, but can be made to search priorities, installation status, dependencies etc. See /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s04.html (aptitude-doc package), replaced-url
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• 989[05:45:33] <lhunath> Crummy situation. I ran build-deps for quite a few packages, trying to manually backport something from stretch.
• 990[05:47:41] <lhunath> So, I script run apt-cache showsrc for every installed package, list all the Build-Depends in a file, manually inspect the file for any packages I want to keep, and run aptitude markauto on them, then apt-get autoremove?
• 991[05:47:58] <lhunath> I'm so gonna break something.
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• 996[05:48:55] <lhunath> Hmm, that doesn't even cover it.
• 997[05:49:09] <themill> looking at apt's logs sounds like a good option right now
• 998[05:49:23] <lhunath> Right, let me figure that out.
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• 1000[05:50:24] <themill> /var/log/apt/history.log → you'll still need to manually edit down the Install lines
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• 1010[05:57:46] <nguyenphi> I want to switch to debian but does stable usable?
• 1011[05:58:00] <nguyenphi> I heard it is too old to be used
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• 1013[05:58:41] <dvs> nguyenphi, ??? I'm using Debian stable right now and it's usable
• 1014[05:58:53] <Rusty1_> nguyenphi: what do you want to use it for?
• 1015[05:59:08] <nguyenphi> Rusty1_: dev and normal use
• 1016[05:59:23] <missmbob> we backports are provided for many packages you might want newer versions of
• 1017[05:59:25] <nguyenphi> Rusty1_: but I'm just a beginner dev
• 1018[05:59:27] <Rusty1_> as a desktop environment?
• 1019[05:59:29] <nkuttler> nguyenphi: it's really for you to decide if it's too old
• 1020[05:59:59] <nguyenphi> I just heard that from many people out there
• 1021[06:00:30] <nguyenphi> They use testing or stretch instead of jessie
• 1022[06:00:34] <nkuttler> nguyenphi: some people care about having the latest shiny software. other people care about stability and getting things done. priorities..
• 1023[06:00:37] <n4dir1> if you already heard it from many people, then why ask again?
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• 1028[06:01:10] <nguyenphi> n4dir1: i want to heard from people who actually used it
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• 1030[06:01:35] <nkuttler> nguyenphi: people who use it obviously won't think it's too old
• 1031[06:01:40] <nguyenphi> Rusty1_: ya I want to use it on my core2 dou desktop
• 1032[06:02:08] <nguyenphi> nkuttler: clear now. I will switch to jessie
• 1033[06:02:50] <nkuttler> nguyenphi: what are you using now?
• 1034[06:02:51] <nguyenphi> The problem with Ubuntu and mint is I can't custom as much as I want they just do all the things
• 1035[06:02:59] <missmbob> !tell nguyenphi about jessie-backports
• 1036[06:03:16] <nkuttler> nguyenphi: that sounds more like a problem with gnome tbh
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• 1038[06:03:25] <payette> If I have a pentium 4 processor (dinosaur comp that im reusing) it's an i386 architecture correct?
• 1039[06:03:44] <missmbob> payette: yes
• 1040[06:03:50] <payette> thank you
• 1041[06:03:52] <nguyenphi> nkuttler: i'm new and I just switch to linux. I'm installed arch but it is too overwhelm
• 1042[06:04:06] <n4dir1> i doubt that mint or ubuntu can't be customized the way one wants it.
• 1043[06:04:09] <nkuttler> nguyenphi: yeah, stable sounds like a better choice then
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• 1045[06:04:53] <nkuttler> nguyenphi: and the next release should be out in a few months anyway
• 1046[06:05:06] <nguyenphi> nkuttler: i has been spend time for choosing what is fit for me recently
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• 1048[06:05:59] <nguyenphi> nkuttler: i like to use net installer package. Something a little bit like arch
• 1049[06:06:14] <nkuttler> !netinst
• 1050[06:06:14] <dpkg> i guess netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See replaced-url
• 1051[06:06:23] <nguyenphi> And customize whatever i want
• 1052[06:06:41] <nguyenphi> Thank you guys anyway
• 1053[06:06:48] <nguyenphi> I appreciated it
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• 1055[06:07:04] <n4dir1> the netinstaller isn't any different than the installer on the other iso's, on a side note.
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• 1057[06:07:17] <n4dir1> assuming that didn't change recently
• 1058[06:07:55] <nguyenphi> n4dir1: it is lightweight
• 1059[06:08:19] <nguyenphi> I prefer window manager rather than DE
• 1060[06:08:20] <n4dir1> well: the download is smaller. If that is what you mean with lightweigtht, then yes
• 1061[06:08:46] <n4dir1> if you mean that it installs something different, then now
• 1062[06:08:48] <nguyenphi> n4dir1: yes That what I mean
• 1063[06:08:49] <n4dir1> ups: no.
• 1064[06:08:53] <themill> n4dir1: you are correct. The installer is identical
• 1065[06:09:14] <n4dir1> themill: okay. been a while i installed debian. thanks for confirming
• 1066[06:09:51] <nguyenphi> n4dir1: thank you very much
• 1067[06:10:04] <n4dir1> good luck, and fun too, of course :-)
• 1068[06:10:52] <awal1> well they are different
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• 1071[06:12:47] <awal1> nvm
• 1072[06:13:34] <dvs> nguyenphi, are you using a wireless network adaptor?
• 1073[06:14:06] <nguyenphi> dvs: i'm using wired for my desktop
• 1074[06:14:16] <dvs> ok
• 1075[06:14:46] <nguyenphi> dvs: i heard that some problem with laptop that used wireless adaptor?
• 1076[06:15:13] <dvs> nguyenphi, it depends what wireless adaptor the laptop has.
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• 1135[06:54:01] <Wegg> Where do I go if I have installed testing?
• 1136[06:54:49] <missmbob> !debian-next
• 1137[06:54:49] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 1152[07:11:35] <themill> hmm... it's probably about time that #debian started dealing with stretch questions too. While the folks in #d-next might know more for the moment, the folks in here need to know that stuff before stretch is actually released.
• 1153[07:12:58] <missmbob> we pretty do.
• 1154[07:13:03] <missmbob> pretty much*
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• 1161[07:17:02] <RandomPasserby> Hi
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• 1163[07:17:20] <RandomPasserby> doesn't debian distro support kde5 plasma ?
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• 1165[07:18:15] <krytarik> ,v plasma-desktop
• 1166[07:18:16] <judd> Package: plasma-desktop on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.8.4-6; jessie: 4:4.11.13-2; stretch: 4:5.8.4-1; sid: 4:5.8.4-1; experimental: 4:5.8.5-1
• 1167[07:18:19] <themill> missmbob: I'm trying to find a non-self-contradictory for your last 3 lines
• 1168[07:18:27] <themill> +interpretation
• 1169[07:18:33] <vovkav> hi, guys! Is there a single article on what happened to Ian Murdock?
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• 1171[07:19:16] <themill> vovkav: this is a technical support channel and what happens to any random individual is not really any concern of you in any case.
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• 1173[07:19:37] <missmbob> themill: he asked. i assumed that wanted specifically d-n
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• 1175[07:19:50] <themill> perhaps "here" is also a good answer?
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• 1178[07:21:03] <RandomPasserby> judd: and so the answer must be no unfortunately
• 1179[07:21:22] <themill> RandomPasserby: plasma 5 is in stretch
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• 1182[07:22:27] <vovkav> themill I would decide myself what concerns me and what not
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• 1198[07:36:22] <phorce1_1ome> OK, planning upgrade to stretch. Changed sources.list. apt-get update went OK. "apt list --upgradeable" returns a blank list. "apt update" returns "All packages are up to date". ... What's happening?
• 1199[07:37:10] <somiaj> phorce1_1ome: care to share your sources.list and the output of apt-cache policy
• 1200[07:37:47] <phorce1_1ome> brb adding to a paste link
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• 1202[07:39:56] <phorce1_1ome> somiaj: sources.list --- replaced-url
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• 1204[07:40:33] <somiaj> phorce1_1ome: how long has that sid line been in your sources.list at the bottom?
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• 1206[07:41:31] <somiaj> anyways you may be running sid, and sid versions are > stretch versions so there won't be anything to upgrade
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• 1208[07:44:26] <phorce1_1ome> somiaj: I'm looking at the policy output now. This is my home "play machine" and I honestly don't recall what I pulled from sid. There's a lot of backports stuff. but I'm definitely not "running sid". (because I'm upgrading to get xfcw 4.12.x because 4.10.x sucks for HiDef displays
• 1209[07:45:01] <phorce1_1ome> somiaj: Here's the policy output --- replaced-url
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• 1211[07:45:27] <themill> Negative pinning is almost always a mistake btw
• 1212[07:45:54] <somiaj> phorce1_1ome: you shouldn't mix stable and unstable.
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• 1215[07:46:06] <somiaj> phorce1_1ome: outside of that you are most likely running all sid versions which is why you have nothign to upgrade.
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• 1217[07:46:23] <themill> and yeah, -10 replaced-url
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• 1220[07:47:58] <nguyenphi> Can someone take a look? replaced-url
• 1221[07:48:13] <nguyenphi> Im trying to keep data in home partition
• 1222[07:48:25] <nguyenphi> But the installer dont let me through
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• 1224[07:49:06] <nguyenphi> Am i do something wrong?
• 1225[07:50:46] <AlwaysHigh> How could i utilize "find" to find all files/directories with unknown characters
• 1226[07:51:09] <AlwaysHigh> when i ls one of my directories i get "Van Morrison - Saint Dominic?s Preview (1997) [MP3 V0]"
• 1227[07:51:16] <phorce1_1ome> somiaj: themill --- I have no clue what (single package) I pulled from sid in the past -- but everything else is running jessie versions. replaced-url
• 1228[07:51:36] <AlwaysHigh> the ? is an unknown character that when i call it using python it returns \x92
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• 1230[07:51:46] <phorce1_1ome> I guess I'll just pull the sid line from sources.list and update again to see what happens
• 1231[07:51:47] <themill> phorce1_1ome: negative pinning is still your problem and probably not what you want to be doing ever anyway
• 1232[07:52:04] <themill> phorce1_1ome: you're going to need to fix your pinning before anything happens
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• 1235[07:55:18] <themill> AlwaysHigh: convmv might help you here; the best you'd be able to do with find would be to pipe it through something that looked at the encoding and barfed if it wasn't legal UTF-8. (Note that filenames are just a string of bytes and it is up to the local user to set and maintain a consistent encoding for characters into those bytes)
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• 1239[07:55:41] <phorce1_1ome> themill: I didn't do that manually (for stretch) I had some stuff pinned for jessie backports so I guess letting it update did some automatic changes I didn't expect. I'll first put sources back the way it was and see if an update fixes the policy back the way it was ... if not, I'll figure out how to put policy back to default and do the upgrade.
• 1240[07:56:08] <themill> phorce1_1ome: pinning for backports isn't necessary either
• 1241[07:56:25] <themill> apt update doesn't change policy; only editing the apt preferences file does
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• 1243[07:57:22] <DasSwastika> Das Dritte Reich
• 1244[07:57:24] <DasSwastika> Alle hageln die allmächtige deutsche Rasse!
• 1245[07:58:50] <phorce1_1ome> themill: I haven't toched the apt preferences file tonight and tonight is the first time the word stretch has been entered into any file. So *something* automatically changes policy based on doing an apt update
• 1246[07:59:16] <tomcres> Nice use of Google translate
• 1247[07:59:33] <DasSwastika> Ich spreche kein Englisch
• 1248[07:59:36] <DasSwastika> Fuck die Juden. Zu den Gaskammern!
• 1249[07:59:40] <cheapie> phorce1_1ome: If it does, that's likely a bug and should be handled as such.
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• 1251[08:00:03] <DasSwastika> themill: Ich spreche kein Englisch
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• 1255[08:00:25] <themill> phorce1_1ome: I don't doubt that you've not touched it tonight. It doesn't mean that what you have in there is incorreect
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• 1262[08:03:36] <phorce1_1ome> themill: here it is ... replaced-url
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• 1265[08:04:05] <themill> phorce1_1ome: you're pinning everything to -10 there
• 1266[08:04:27] <themill> if you've only got one release in your sources.list (you should) then there is no need for pinning
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• 1269[08:06:10] <phorce1_1ome> themill: I had jessie and jessie backports. I wanted backports to take preference. So, backports at 800 updates at 700 and plain jessie at 600 then everything else at -10 and sid at -10
• 1270[08:06:33] <AlwaysHigh> themill, sounds like effort writing another script
• 1271[08:07:29] <themill> phorce1_1ome: that's not good way of using backports btw. That's not how they are designed to be used. There is no guarantee that will work at all.
• 1272[08:07:41] <phorce1_1ome> themill: i didn't want to have to specify -t jessie-backports all the time. If there was a backport I wanted it by default
• 1273[08:07:58] <themill> as I said, not the intended use and not a good plan
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• 1278[08:08:33] <tomcres> !sns
• 1279[08:08:33] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
• 1280[08:08:35] <phorce1_1ome> themill: "home play machine" (and it never broke anything) :-)
• 1281[08:09:27] <themill> previous luck does not predict future outcomes
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• 1284[08:10:35] <phorce1_1ome> there's no stretch-backports for me to break stuff with (yet)
• 1285[08:10:50] <tomcres> Themill: that would make a great fortune cookie 😊
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• 1290[08:14:42] <jim> I think that fortune cookie would be counterproductive to the basic fortune industry
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• 1293[08:16:17] <jim> "-of course- it's predictive... can I interest you in a %million yen game of dominoes?
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• 1304[08:30:19] <Behruz> Hello. I got trouble connecting via VPN pptp connection.Whould you mind if i send the related logs ?
• 1305[08:30:33] <Behruz> replaced-url
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• 1310[08:33:32] <Behruz> I use kerio VPN when i configure it .It asks me for fingerprint.What's that?
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• 1325[08:45:12] <phorce1_1ome> OK, with an empty preferences file it looks a little better at the end of an apt update --- "1675 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them"
• 1326[08:45:34] <phorce1_1ome> (and no sid line in the sources.list)
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• 1330[08:50:02] <DasSwastika> Hello
• 1331[08:50:06] <DasSwastika> Fuck die Juden. Zu den Gaskammern!
• 1332[08:50:06] <DasSwastika> Fuck die Juden. Zu den Gaskammern!
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• 1335[08:53:10] <tomcres> Phorce1_1ome: that sounds about right
• 1336[08:54:13] <phorce1_1ome> tomcres: hope so because it's running "upgrade" now . :D
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• 1339[08:58:14] <phorce1_1ome> and, naturally, my ISP chooses tonight to have a speed problem. Download speed 2.21 Mbits/sec .... should be closer to 60Mbits/sec
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• 1345[08:59:58] <tomcres> My ISP is shady. I pay for 60, but only ever get 30.
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• 1348[09:01:52] <phorce1_1ome> there's a cable that got stretched by a tree branch that they are supposed to replace. If the wind blows hard speed drops and never recovers without a modem reboot ... so, be back in a bit.
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• 1350[09:03:00] <Behruz> what's server finger print when i want to configure kerio VPN ?
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• 1355[09:07:33] <phorce1_1ome> OK, 68.17 Mbits/sec ... back to the stretch upgrade
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• 1523[10:59:28] <veek> how do i install fontmatrix.. it's a font viewer but apt-cache doesn't list it
• 1524[10:59:40] <veek> wheezy and sid have it
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• 1560[11:29:47] <marianna> Hi!
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• 1564[11:30:45] <marianna> I don't found any info in something I want to do (the info its not in my mother language I don't know how to find it in english...)
• 1565[11:31:06] <marianna> I know this is not the place to ask... but give me some hints, please
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• 1567[11:31:19] <bazhang> what is it then
• 1568[11:31:35] <marianna> I'm a teacher and I have internet in my laptop with a cable
• 1569[11:31:44] <marianna> my students doesnt have
• 1570[11:31:58] <marianna> I thought that maybe if I bring a router
• 1571[11:32:06] <bazhang> you want to internet share via the laptop?
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• 1573[11:32:11] <marianna> yes
• 1574[11:32:13] <marianna> :)
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• 1576[11:32:28] <bazhang> are you using debian
• 1577[11:32:31] <marianna> yes
• 1578[11:32:49] <marianna> and I have my own spare router at home
• 1579[11:32:53] <bazhang> do you have network manager
• 1580[11:33:00] <marianna> yes
• 1581[11:33:07] <marianna> hehe
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• 1583[11:34:56] <marianna> replaced-url
• 1584[11:34:57] <mosasaur> marianna: can you ssh to the student's computer?
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• 1587[11:35:17] <marianna> no mosasaur the idea is share my laptop internet to their mobiles
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• 1589[11:35:37] <marianna> but I think I know now how to do it
• 1590[11:35:55] <marianna> I feel quite silly now, hehehe
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• 1592[11:36:07] <veek> marianna, you need to setup NAT
• 1593[11:36:14] <marianna> my missing key word in when I was googleing was "share"
• 1594[11:36:15] <marianna> xD
• 1595[11:36:43] <banjo_> does someone know how do i connect with gftp to: replaced-url
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• 1622[11:56:52] <unborn> is there any way to get information about installed package and all dep. for that package as list in terminal? for example samba and all dep. for that package installed currently on system?
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• 1627[11:59:03] <unborn> heh found it.. dpkg --get-selections | grep samba works
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• 1665[12:23:34] <ElDiabolo> Any hint on what to do about ununblankable screen blanking? Alt+Print+K still works, but simply pressing any key or moving the mouse does not.
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• 1675[12:29:56] <rozie> ElDiabolo: gui or cli?
• 1676[12:30:08] <rozie> which screensaver do you use?
• 1677[12:30:09] <ElDiabolo> gui, mate desktop
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• 1683[12:31:54] <ElDiabolo> The image folder screen saver. Good point, I havent seen it for quite some time.
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• 1685[12:34:43] <rozie> try to debug it - maybe you have 2 screensavers running, or maybe it hang
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• 1687[12:35:23] <rozie> try to disable blank screen to make sure that you are in right app
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• 1691[12:37:04] <ElDiabolo> rozie, There are log messages: Feb 12 12:17:45 backspace mate-screensave[3131]: Failed to get session presence proxy: Could not get owner of name 'org.gnome.SessionManager': no such name
• 1692[12:37:22] <ElDiabolo> I'll see where they get me.
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• 1815[13:44:18] <Manis> Hi. I'm running Debian Jessie on armhf. When I start Octave or Merkaartor, both applications max out one core all the time. I ran valgrind (callgrind) and ~70% of the time is spend in dl_* functions. Any hints what could be the problem?
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• 1938[14:35:33] <Emil> Hi. I tried following this guide to autodetect a tv
• 1939[14:35:41] <Emil> replaced-url
• 1940[14:35:51] <Emil> But the udev-rule is not triggering apparently
• 1941[14:36:15] <Emil> Is there an alternative way to detect hdmi plugin/unplugin
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• 1947[14:38:56] <dutchfish> Emil, i could be wrong but the EDID is only scanned on kernel boot for the fbdev and again when X starts, see Xorglog.
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• 1949[14:39:09] <Emil> dutchfish: hmm, that's unfortunate
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• 1952[14:39:37] <Emil> dutchfish: any other way to automatically detect when an external screen is plugged in?
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• 1954[14:40:15] <dutchfish> Emil, you could d a hack to trigger a restart of X on plugin event over udev/dbus, no idea how to pull that off
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• 1958[14:40:56] <dutchfish> Emil, you can test it out manually
• 1959[14:41:22] <jim> hi, what's the package name for the package that adds a debian package proxy service? something-ng... alternatively, how can I find out the port of my existing proxy? I think it's on the default port, whichever that is
• 1960[14:41:23] <Emil> restart of x is not something I'd really like to do, though :/
• 1961[14:41:27] <dutchfish> Emil, maybe others now another trick
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• 1965[14:41:49] <themill> jim: apt-cacher-ng (there are many, that one works well)
• 1966[14:42:04] <jim> that's the one I installed, thanks
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• 1972[14:42:48] <Emil> Another question though: I can't seem to be able to use hdmi audio output
• 1973[14:42:52] <Emil> but speaker-test works
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• 1976[14:43:44] <jim> now I gotta see what port it's listening on, and what to enter on the proxy line of a debian-installer instance
• 1977[14:44:01] <dutchfish> Emil, the easiest way (when it works at all for you hw) is to configure through your WM soundsystem, currently vlc is the backend for WM's like KDE and others
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• 1984[14:46:09] <fag8> i wanna install debian on a micro sd card that's on my motherboard, what can i do to make it boot?
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• 1989[14:47:09] <dutchfish> Emil, it works in testing out the of the box for the amd opengpu driver, it didnt for me in stable. If that is of any help i dont know, it depends on your hardware and drivers too.
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• 2000[14:50:44] <dutchfish> Emil, you logs should reveal that
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• 2007[14:52:04] <Emil> HMm
• 2008[14:52:12] <Wzup> I'm using gnome boxes 3.14.2-2 and I wonder if there is any way to copy text from the virtual machine to the host?
• 2009[14:52:13] <Emil> strange, actually pluggin in the HDMI triggers the udev rule
• 2010[14:52:14] <Emil> apparently
• 2011[14:52:18] <Emil> but unpluggin doesn't
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• 2024[14:58:18] <lost_soul> so, it's been a few days so I'll try asking again. Is anyone here or has anyone here installed debian on a qnap ts-412 nas? I've read the appropriate web page but would like some first hand feedback before I do an install if at all possible.
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• 2035[15:05:03] <lost_soul> brb, it seems a reload of my configuration file didn't work for some settings :\
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• 2044[15:09:38] <lost_soul> bk now if their are any responses
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• 2061[15:18:57] <MaxLanar`> Hi. For several years now I use Debian I still have trouble with the permissions... I have many questions. For a file with rwxrwxrwx rights located here /here/is/my/file/file.txt, does all the parents directory needs the same rights for any user to be able to read/write/execute it ?
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• 2068[15:23:11] <petn-randall> MaxLanar`: The user will need the x permission on every directory above it.
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• 2070[15:23:48] <petn-randall> MaxLanar`: I recommend reading 'man chmod', then playing around with it on your system to understand the concept.
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• 2075[15:26:10] <samba35> if i have to use virtio with vhost what configuration i have to make
• 2076[15:26:31] <samba35> do i have to use it as a vhost module ?
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• 2081[15:29:21] <lighteningbolt> Anyone ? Have the direct link for Debian Live USB Key Bootable?
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• 2083[15:30:00] <MaxLanar`> petn-randall: hmm, that is something I didn't know (or I forgot)... thank you. It will help. Readin chmod man.
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• 2085[15:31:10] <petn-randall> MaxLanar`: Remembering the details is the hard part. What got me to remember it permanently was to play around with the permissions in several combinations.
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• 2098[15:36:23] <Olufunmilayo> does something exist to allow you to monitor the output of two or more iftop commands in a single terminal kind of how you can monitor multiple logs in a single terminal with multitail?
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• 2102[15:37:20] <lighteningbolt> I currently tried Debian live usb bootable amd on a Intel computer and it was unsucessful... It was worth a try
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• 2106[15:38:51] <lost_soul> lighteningbolt: strange, I've always had great luck running debian on intel chipsets
• 2107[15:38:54] <tomcres> The installer on the live medium is broken.
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• 2109[15:39:15] <lost_soul> ah, I always use the netinstaller so that makes sense
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• 2114[15:40:16] <lost_soul> at least as long as their has been one and I've had a decent internet connection
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• 2135[15:50:04] <lost_soul> so qnap nas, debian install... no takers?
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• 2143[15:52:52] <eugenmayer1> will: sudo su -l mary -c 'foo' actually read .bashrc?
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• 2154[15:55:54] <rudi_s> eugenmayer1: No. man bash | less -p '^INVOCATION'
• 2155[15:56:42] <eugenmayer1> rudi_s: any way to run a shell command as a different user while using his bashrc? should i source it manually? - i am running chef inspec tests
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• 2158[15:57:02] <jezebel> hi :) what happened to the virtualbox package in stretch?
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• 2160[15:57:44] <rudi_s> eugenmayer1: .bashrc is only sourced for interactive shells, so the -c 'foo' is the "problem".
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• 2162[15:58:02] <eugenmayer1> sudo su -l mary -c 'zsh -i -c foo'
• 2163[15:58:09] <eugenmayer1> that works, same for bash
• 2164[15:58:10] <rudi_s> eugenmayer1: What?
• 2165[15:58:28] <eugenmayer1> rudi_s: yeah, the interactive part slipped through, sorry
• 2166[15:58:30] <eugenmayer1> works now
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• 2168[15:58:40] <rudi_s> eugenmayer1: That's just stupid. But the relevant config parts in ~/.bash_profile instead of doing weird hacks.
• 2169[15:59:04] <eugenmayer1> rudi_s: which part is stupid?
• 2170[15:59:09] <rudi_s> *or in the global shell files.
• 2171[15:59:12] <rudi_s> 15:58 < eugenmayer1> sudo su -l mary -c 'zsh -i -c foo'
• 2172[15:59:21] <jezebel> that's a weird command
• 2173[15:59:21] <eugenmayer1> which part? explain yourself
• 2174[15:59:29] <rudi_s> eugenmayer1: The complete line.
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• 2176[15:59:32] <hellyeah> hey
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• 2180[15:59:47] <hellyeah> i have bluetooth problem can someone help me about that?
• 2181[15:59:55] <rudi_s> eugenmayer1: Why would you fake to bash/zsh that you want an interactive shell when you definately don't want one.
• 2182[16:00:01] <rudi_s> *just so it sources ~/.bashrc
• 2183[16:00:28] <rudi_s> Oh, and the su part is also unnecessary, sudo -s or -i can do that for you.
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• 2185[16:00:49] <eugenmayer1> rudi_s: ok lets be clear about that: you have no clue about what i do, what i am trying but you already guessing right? I am writing convergence tests with inspec on chef
• 2186[16:00:56] <hellyeah> my machine didnt recognize bluetooth device
• 2187[16:01:15] <eugenmayer1> that part you do not know, but using strong language upfront. Maybe that is not a really good idea rudi_s.
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• 2189[16:01:34] <hellyeah> it said bluetooth not connected
• 2190[16:01:35] <eugenmayer1> rudi_s: we are not talking about anything useful or a script, nothing in production, test only.
• 2191[16:01:40] <hellyeah> pls help me a bit
• 2192[16:01:41] <rudi_s> eugenmayer1: You're right, I have no idea what "convergence tests with inspec on chef" means. - But I know that's really weird to run commands in that fashion.
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• 2195[16:02:21] <jezebel> hellyeah... are you on the command line or ?
• 2196[16:02:23] <eugenmayer1> rudi_s: having a sentence including "no clue" and still "this is stupid" is very very risky.
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• 2200[16:03:08] <hellyeah> jezebel: command line is open right now i am using gui tool for bluetooth if you ask that.
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• 2202[16:03:26] <rudi_s> eugenmayer1: Well, whatever. I pointed out that it's most-likely wrong that you're doing it in that fashion. Sorry for the strong language.
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• 2209[16:04:23] <eugenmayer1> rudi_s: i would never use what i have done above in anything production / automation. What i do there is ensure that the deployed .zshrc actually has loaded .zshrc.local wiith a stupid alias.
• 2210[16:05:01] <eugenmayer1> rudi_s: replaced-url
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• 2212[16:05:42] <eugenmayer1> while using CM for configuration. Convergence is about running a CM deployment several times, but the result is still the expected one. It "converges" against the expected
• 2213[16:05:51] <hellyeah> jezebel: bluetooth seems "not connected" but when i click bluetooth icon the option i see is "turn off device" and settings and when i click setting there is no options, no info about device
• 2214[16:06:19] <hellyeah> i amusing debian jessie
• 2215[16:06:36] <rudi_s> eugenmayer1: Thanks for the explanation.
• 2216[16:06:51] <eugenmayer1> so in the end rudi_s its just replaced-url
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• 2221[16:07:49] <eugenmayer1> rudi_s: as you see, i could go on. But you never need to know all this neither want to waste your time understanding my case. I assume we dont start judging people without having a clue what they are doing, like #freebsd people tend to :)
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• 2227[16:09:26] <rudi_s> If you're checking alias-expansion then indeed you need to use -i. - You're right, I shouldn't have used those harsh words.
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• 2229[16:09:56] <eugenmayer1> rudi_s: great we are on the same page now. No worries.
• 2230[16:10:04] <rudi_s> eugenmayer1: Btw. use sudo -i -c '...' then you can drop the su.
• 2231[16:10:05] <rudi_s> ;-)
• 2232[16:10:24] <rudi_s> Or, if that's running as root anyway drop the sudo.
• 2233[16:10:24] <hellyeah> jezebel: this is what i get replaced-url
• 2234[16:10:55] <eugenmayer1> arg rudi_s i looked it up in man and missed -i .. thanks .. sudo su looks weired of course.
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• 2237[16:11:18] <rudi_s> np
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• 2239[16:12:23] <eugenmayer1> rudi_s: interestingly sudo -i -u mary "foo" will not work
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• 2242[16:12:45] <rudi_s> eugenmayer1: Yeah, that's the same issue as before. It's a login, but no interactive shell.
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• 2245[16:13:01] <rudi_s> -i == login (obviously, thanks sudo)
• 2246[16:13:10] <eugenmayer1> so the sudo / su combination is needed
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• 2249[16:13:54] <rudi_s> eugenmayer1: No, I think. But you need the nested sudo/su bash invocation.
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• 2252[16:15:48] <rudi_s> Something like sudo -i -u $user -- bash -i -c foo
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• 2257[16:16:39] <eugenmayer1> that works rudi_s
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• 2259[16:17:01] <eugenmayer1> interstingly sudo -i -u mary -- zsh -i -c foo
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• 2262[16:17:09] <eugenmayer1> works, but sudo -i -u mary -- "zsh -i -c foo"
• 2263[16:17:10] <eugenmayer1> does not
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• 2268[16:18:01] <eugenmayer1> nevertheless your version looks a lot less ugly, thanks
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• 2270[16:19:24] <rudi_s> eugenmayer1: Yeah. Unlike su, sudo passes its arguments (after --) to execve instead of using system (which runs /bin/sh -c). This is a better design as it prevents double shell interpolation.
• 2271[16:19:25] <hexnewbie> eugenmayer1: sudo allows you properly specify to arguments to a command, while su runs a shell and requires a command as a single argument, which is a source of a lot of trouble. With the sudo syntax you can safely pass a variable containing special characters, with the su one you cannot
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• 2274[16:20:09] <eugenmayer1> hexnewbie: rudi_s thank you both!
• 2275[16:20:13] <rudi_s> np
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• 2277[16:20:53] <hexnewbie> Compare «sudo mary sudo john sudo alice ls -lah "$dir"» vs. «su mary -c 'su john -c "su alica ???"'»
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• 2280[16:21:42] <n4dir> can't you simply su to a user, do what needs to be done, and exit from that user, and that was that?
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• 2283[16:22:56] <eugenmayer1> n4dir: if you skip 90% of the dicussion your suggestions might be a bit of :)
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• 2292[16:25:06] <hexnewbie> n4dir: Yeah, but if, for example, you want a script to drop privileges, ssh into another host, then ssh into a third host, then switch user there (I've actually needed to do that once), su/ssh are not friendly to your task as they launch shells (and require a command). (Though it's pretty non-noteworthy if you do it in a series of layered, well-factored Python classes, for example)
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• 2298[16:26:51] <rudi_s> n4dir: And btw. su-ing to less-privileged users is dangerous: replaced-url
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• 2302[16:27:37] <n4dir> hexnewbie: the above to me looked interactive, not like a script
• 2303[16:27:55] <rudi_s> (The reason is that su/sudo shares the same tty as the "outer" user which allows injections.)
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• 2306[16:29:21] <n4dir> rudi_s: and su -c doesn't allow that?
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• 2310[16:31:21] <n4dir> ah, the blog entry says it, okay
• 2311[16:32:22] <rudi_s> n4dir: Yeah, it was fixed with su -c (on some systems).
• 2312[16:32:26] <rudi_s> s/with/for/
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• 2315[16:33:04] <n4dir> cool bean, thanks for the info.
• 2316[16:33:12] <rudi_s> np
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• 2325[16:36:53] <hellyeah> how can , check my bluetooth device is recognized?
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• 2327[16:38:15] <tomcres> what do you get when you run: dmesg | grep -i bluetooth
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• 2330[16:39:31] <hellyeah> tomcres: replaced-url
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• 2333[16:40:39] <tomcres> Ok 👌, so it's definitely recognized. Is it not working?
• 2334[16:40:44] <hellyeah> tomcres: ,i didnt see any bluetooth device listed at the top of screen
• 2335[16:40:50] <hellyeah> yeah it is not working
• 2336[16:40:57] <hellyeah> just a sec
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• 2338[16:42:10] <hellyeah> i will come back tomcres
• 2339[16:42:21] <tomcres> Ok 👌
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• 2343[16:43:17] <G66K> hello everyone, im using jessie 64bit i was wondering how to enable all cpu cores
• 2344[16:43:28] <G66K> i just checked and i found two of 4 enabled
• 2345[16:43:38] <nkuttler> G66K: how did you check?
• 2346[16:44:27] <dontknow> it looks like you have two core, 4 threat
• 2347[16:44:46] <G66K> nkuttler: im using i7z utility
• 2348[16:45:35] <G66K> dontknow: i have 4 cores on my i7 hp
• 2349[16:45:42] <G66K> and 8 threads
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• 2351[16:46:16] <hexnewbie> Firefox ESR included in Jessie, as well as manually installed SeaMonkey, can use the colour glyphs of EmojiOne Color (after I've prepended them to known familiar in ~/.fonts.conf). Chromium does use EmojiOne Color, but the vector monochrome glyphs are used instead. Is that due to a Chromium's compilation option in Debian, due to the version, or Chromium doesn't support them at all, or is there a runtime option I could use to change that? Can
• 2352[16:46:16] <hexnewbie> I expect any change on that?
• 2353[16:46:42] <borsin> G66K: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -i cores
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• 2358[16:47:51] <G66K> borsin: replaced-url
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• 2438[17:34:51] <marmite21> Re: Qualcom Atheros Killer e220x ethernet card - on startup install of OS, network interface card is not detected, driver is asked for. This card is famously bad with Linux. Two questions: 1) In the default list of drivers the install setup wizard provides, are there any drivers I can choose which will drive this card or 2) I have searched high and low on the Internet for support, having read everything. If you have personally
• 2439[17:34:51] <marmite21> solved this problem and can recreate it, what shall I do? Thanks a lot!
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• 2442[17:36:16] <mtn_> marmite21: which version of debian is this?
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• 2444[17:37:09] <marmite21> Most recent. Machine is not currently running for me to check... Okay to assume that "most recent" is an acceptible answer, lol?
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• 2446[17:37:45] <mtn_> marmite21: what default list of drivers in a setup wizard? I am not familiar with that
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• 2449[17:39:03] <marmite21> I will start machine... apologies.
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• 2451[17:40:48] <marmite21> ath; ath10k, 5k, 6kl, 9k...
• 2452[17:41:36] <marmite21> 1tl1, l1c, l1e, at12;
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• 2455[17:41:54] <marmite21> I believe that's all.
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• 2457[17:42:26] <mtn_> marmite21: what are you talking about? where do you see this?
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• 2459[17:42:48] <n4dir> replaced-url
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• 2463[17:43:10] <n4dir> so, from a quick glance, it is a better option to install first and set up internet later
• 2464[17:43:41] <n4dir> for that i would use a CD iso, assuming a GUI is needed to perform the task
• 2465[17:43:44] <marmite21> Truly I have read everything on the Internet... You must be right n4dir.
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• 2468[17:44:08] <n4dir> oh, wait. read to quick:
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• 2471[17:44:30] <n4dir> debian jessie is said to have full support.
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• 2474[17:44:42] <n4dir> but it doesn't recognize it you say?
• 2475[17:44:45] <mtn_> maybe the firware installer version?
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• 2477[17:45:04] <marmite21> hmm, i'm on wheezy
• 2478[17:45:07] <mtn_> replaced-url
• 2479[17:45:19] <mtn_> marmite21: you don't want wheezy for a new install
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• 2483[17:45:40] <n4dir> marmite21: if wheezy, then the link to debian wiki tells to add backports and install a newer kernel (later, after installation)
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• 2488[17:46:16] <marmite21> wait i may be wrong; sorry i'm all messed up because i don't have access to the machine right now.
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• 2490[17:46:29] <nickgaw> dpkg what was the first release of debian?
• 2491[17:46:31] <dpkg> nickgaw: i don't know
• 2492[17:46:35] <missmbob> you started wrong. listen to mtn and dont use wheezy
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• 2495[17:47:04] <n4dir> depends what you want. but probably wrong
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• 2498[17:47:54] <babilen> dpkg: tell nickgaw -about release history
• 2499[17:48:38] <marmite21> oh i apologize. i thought i had enough info to properly get your help. my hands are tied not having good access to the computer. i will return when i can use a console...
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• 2501[17:48:46] <marmite21> sorry i wasted your time!
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• 2503[17:49:45] <ElDiabolo> Upgrading to stretch broke my nvidia card (legacy 304). Is debian non-free on topic here?
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• 2506[17:50:02] <marmite21> thanks for your time.
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• 2509[17:50:16] <mtn_> ElDiabolo: might want to ask on #debian-next on oftc.net
• 2510[17:50:19] <n4dir> marmite21: like said, if it was me i would use the CD, ignore failure of internet during installation, take care of it later ... too slow ....
• 2511[17:50:32] <ealfonso> how do I install debian onto a flash drive, using debian?
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• 2515[17:52:14] <n4dir> ealfonso: choose the usb stick when it comes to partitioning. Make sure to install grub or another bootloader to the stick too. I think that's it
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• 2518[17:53:07] <ealfonso> how do I run the installer from debian?
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• 2521[17:53:58] <nickgaw> I was reading and it looks like full command line installs require setting up of wireless network cards manually why is this as should the installer not automatically do this for the user like it does if you do a x install?
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• 2525[17:54:31] <jezebel> a lot of wireless network cards require firmware that is not free...
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• 2529[17:55:01] <jezebel> there is an install with firmware packages included, but it's not supported
• 2530[17:55:02] <hellyeah> anyone can help me about my bluettooth problem?_
• 2531[17:55:21] <nickgaw> yes but even if I use the non-free firmware disc the same thing happens.
• 2532[17:55:23] <missmbob> jezebel: it's supported. it's even in the install guide
• 2533[17:55:27] <jezebel> oh
• 2534[17:55:37] <n4dir> ealfonso: i don't think you can directly run the installer from an installed debian, but never cared for it. Do apt-cache search grml, and see if that tool might help you
• 2535[17:55:59] <jezebel> i must be confusing the testing one with it hten :)
• 2536[17:56:03] <n4dir> i would simply burn an installation iso to a CD though (or use anoter usb-stick)
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• 2540[17:56:32] <nickgaw> u/msg dpkg espeakup
• 2541[17:56:37] <jezebel> it's why my /root is separate from my / :)
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• 2546[17:57:13] <nickgaw> dpkg do you know anything about why the wireless for command line is not working?
• 2547[17:57:13] * dpkg eagerly does you know anything about why the wireless for command line is not working
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• 2550[17:57:44] <jezebel> what wireless command?
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• 2553[17:58:14] <nickgaw> basically I have to manually setup wireless after a command line only installation even when the installer worked just fine with wireless?
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• 2557[17:58:47] <jezebel> you generally need your firmware, wpa_supplicant and a dhcp client at a minimum
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• 2562[17:59:45] <jezebel> install firmware, establish a link to the AP using wpa_supplicant, send a dhcp request to get your ip address and you're on
• 2563[17:59:48] <nickgaw> yes understood but even if I use the non-free disc and the installation works just fine over wireless why would these settings not be coppied on to the installed system as it is with x windows?
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• 2568[18:00:51] <jezebel> i dont know, personally i do like the minimalism
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• 2570[18:01:21] <nickgaw> I have posted this issue to debian-boot with not a lot of results.
• 2571[18:01:21] <n4dir> !why
• 2572[18:01:22] <dpkg> Because!
• 2573[18:01:39] <ElDiabolo> nickgaw, you do have a permanent wireless connection and you wand a persisten configuration?
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• 2575[18:01:55] <jezebel> your 'desktop' probably includes network-manager and that's probably what brings it in
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• 2578[18:02:16] <nickgaw> What I want is to not have to install X windows just so when the installation finishes my wireless network is setup?
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• 2580[18:02:55] <n4dir> i don't think that is possible, but wouldn't bet
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• 2583[18:04:16] <jezebel> not all systems/servers are on the open internet keep in mind
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• 2588[18:05:41] <nickgaw> true but like I said if I enter in my wireless key and install X windows wireless works just fine but if I just do a command line only installation no wireless network is setup but the installer does download it from the internet?
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• 2590[18:05:43] <n4dir> if configuring wireless from cli is too much hazzle, i would apt-get install xorg fluxbox wicd, startx, and configure it via wicd or network-manager, if prefered
• 2591[18:06:17] <missmbob> sudo apt install network-manager; sudo nmtui
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• 2594[18:07:03] <jezebel> file a bug report, maybe you'll get a discussion with the devs going?
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• 2596[18:07:34] <nickgaw> I think there is already one filed how can I reopen it or get them interested in my issue?
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• 2599[18:08:28] <missmbob> i've done many text installs with wifi and i've never had your problem. the installer does connect/configure and it's done.
• 2600[18:09:00] <ElDiabolo> nickgaw, A system without a gui is most likely a server. A server with a wlan connection is a rather rare use case.
• 2601[18:09:00] <nickgaw> what about after the installation can you use the internet or do you have to setup wireless manually?
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• 2603[18:09:56] <missmbob> yes i can use it
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• 2605[18:10:20] <nickgaw> When was the last time you did this and were you using the non-free disc image?
• 2606[18:10:27] <missmbob> i just recently did that on my laptop (i've never done a graphical install)
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• 2609[18:10:51] <missmbob> yes, non-free (laptop)
• 2610[18:11:27] <jezebel> ElDiabolo... tell that to my wifi AP/router :P
• 2611[18:11:55] <ealfonso> I use a very nice, cli only client to connect to wifi APs. It is based on replaced-url
• 2612[18:12:37] <ealfonso> obviously you still need the non-free drivers
• 2613[18:12:46] <nickgaw> by text install do you mean the text based version of the debian-installer or are you talking about no X windows I am totally blind and use the S option to start espeakup to do the installation and if I do the full install complete with GUI I can use telnet and lynx ok but if I just install command line only no wireless network is setup after the installation but it does work during the installation?
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• 2615[18:12:54] <ElDiabolo> jezebel, But that is not a debian system, is it ...
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• 2617[18:13:43] <jezebel> it can be! (build your own AP with a raspberry pi!)
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• 2620[18:14:37] <nickgaw> Does the S option to start the installation with software speech start the text or GUI version of the installer?
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• 2622[18:15:22] <missmbob> nickgaw: oh...i have no idea what it does. sorry i'm not familiar with assistive technology.
• 2623[18:15:57] <nickgaw> but when you do text installs do you install X windows or full command line installs?
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• 2625[18:16:07] <missmbob> nickgaw: no x.
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• 2627[18:16:19] <hellyeah> hey again
• 2628[18:17:00] <nickgaw> and once the installation finishes and after you enter in your wireless network installation information you are able right away to connect automatically to the internet and use it with no configuration after the installation?
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• 2630[18:17:11] <missmbob> nickgaw: correct
• 2631[18:17:38] <hellyeah> it will remember everything
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• 2634[18:19:11] <hellyeah> missmbob: can you help öe about my bluetooth issue?
• 2635[18:20:10] <missmbob> hellyeah: probably not. feel free to ask the channel though
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• 2642[18:23:30] <nickgaw> What does core temperature above threshold mean as I have been getting more of these messages?
• 2643[18:23:47] <missmbob> nickgaw: sounds like your cpu is overhearting a bit
• 2644[18:24:01] <nickgaw> How can I fix it?
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• 2646[18:24:22] <missmbob> nickgaw: when that happens the kernel slows it down and 99% of the time that's all that's needed
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• 2648[18:24:43] <missmbob> nickgaw: you only really have to do anything if the system starts locking up
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• 2650[18:25:12] <nickgaw> How can I prevent these message displaying on the console?
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• 2652[18:25:28] <missmbob> that i dont know :/
• 2653[18:26:15] <nickgaw> The system is a laptop how can I force the system to run at the slowest speed to see if this will fix the issue?
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• 2655[18:27:38] <hellyeah> i guess you need to disable core if it is possible
• 2656[18:27:51] <hellyeah> to tell system dont use those cores just use pone or two cores
• 2657[18:28:13] <ealfonso> nickgaw since you are blind, does that mean the message is spoken to you? which must be annoying?
• 2658[18:28:19] <nickgaw> they all are overheating as each time it is a different number?
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• 2660[18:28:29] <jezebel> you can see which process is working the cpu hard with top
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• 2662[18:29:24] <missmbob> i had a laptop which was always hot so top was useless. i had to open it up and replace the heatsink/cpu fan. that might be where you're headed
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• 2667[18:31:09] <eugenmayer1> nickgaw: use the stepping of your CPU to downclock
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• 2669[18:31:35] <nickgaw> ok that is fine if it needs a cleaning.
• 2670[18:31:45] <nickgaw> are you talking about in the bios?
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• 2672[18:32:21] <missmbob> nickgaw: i think they mean this but i dont know much about it replaced-url
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• 2675[18:32:57] <nickgaw> I think I have read that before.
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• 2681[18:33:35] <nickgaw> How much are heatsyncs?
• 2682[18:33:54] <missmbob> nickgaw: i think i paid $12 for mine (with fan)
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• 2684[18:34:25] <nickgaw> no big deal then.
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• 2688[18:34:40] <missmbob> no it was great. made my laptop stable again
• 2689[18:34:53] <nickgaw> how fast was it?
• 2690[18:35:18] <missmbob> i never noticed the speed. for me the overheating kept causing it to shut itself off. not fun
• 2691[18:35:39] <nickgaw> What I mean is how fast was the processor?
• 2692[18:35:56] <missmbob> Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2370M CPU @ 2.40GHz
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• 2695[18:36:15] <nickgaw> mine is an i7
• 2696[18:36:26] <nickgaw> can the heat syncs be replaced on those?
• 2697[18:36:35] <missmbob> yes
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• 2700[18:37:01] <nickgaw> What if I remove it and don't have one?
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• 2703[18:37:24] <missmbob> put the old one back in. dont try to run it without anything
• 2704[18:37:42] <nickgaw> Will it break?
• 2705[18:37:56] <sysadmin> Hello. My server with Debian rebooted without apparent cause. Could anyone suggest me which logs to check?
• 2706[18:38:01] <missmbob> i dont think so. kernel will shut that shit down quick, though.
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• 2714[18:41:28] <nickgaw> strange in the bios it says secure boot is off but the debian-installer when I installed the system thought it was EFI when it was MBR if I turn on secure boot in the bios will it be possible to fix my system to work with secure boot as debian is the only operating system on this laptop?
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• 2716[18:42:06] <missmbob> nickgaw: efi doesnt have to use secure boot. in fact debian doesnt support secure boot
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• 2718[18:43:12] <missmbob> the next version of debian will (supposed to anyway)
• 2719[18:44:06] <teraflops> nickgaw: replaced-url
• 2720[18:44:52] <nickgaw> I think it is EFI that was turned off in the bios should I leave it off or turn it on?
• 2721[18:44:53] <teraflops> … and keep some goats at hand
• 2722[18:45:04] <teraflops> nickgaw: it's UEFI actually
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• 2724[18:45:38] <nickgaw> should I leave it off or turn it on?
• 2725[18:45:49] <missmbob> nickgaw: if you change it you'll have to reinstall debian. so just leave it as it is
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• 2747[18:55:20] <tharkun> I need the MS ODBC Driver. As expected MS only has Ubuntu and RedHat. I suspect that the Ubuntu drivers are more compatible than the RedHat ones. Of the ubuntu versions which one is more compatible with Debian Stable?
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• 2750[18:56:36] <missmbob> tharkun: for what? which langugage?
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• 2753[18:58:14] <tharkun> missmbob: to Install the MS ODBBC and language is irrelevant. it should utf8
• 2754[18:58:41] <missmbob> no. that's not how linux works. i forgot it was sunday
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• 2756[19:00:02] <Quatroking> so I was wondering, is it possible to make a samba share use a specific NIC?
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• 2758[19:00:30] <missmbob> Quatroking: replaced-url
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• 2760[19:00:50] <Quatroking> oh now that's pretty damn sweet
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• 2762[19:01:15] <Quatroking> oh but this goes for all samba shares doesn't it
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• 2764[19:01:32] <nickgaw> I am also trying to find a good console packet sniffer to watch one of my other devices on my wireless networks what are some good ones?
• 2765[19:01:42] <missmbob> Quatroking: there is #samba for better help
• 2766[19:01:50] <Quatroking> I'll go and ask there, thanks
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• 2844[19:35:19] <user___> I'm using debian 8.7 on my desktop. RAM is 3GB (2+1). When pc is started the RAM shows 3GB, but sometimes after a while the RAM becomes 1GB. Help?
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• 2847[19:36:01] <dayne> Greetings #debian. Can someone point me to where I can submit a minor tweak to the /etc/grub.d/20_memtest86+ script? Recommend it puts out a STDERR message when it bails out because of EFI.
• 2848[19:36:40] <dayne> user___: if you dont' have an EFI system I suggest you install memtest86+, reboot, and sanity check you've got good RAM
• 2849[19:36:51] <user___> ok
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• 2855[19:38:23] <dayne> user___: sudo apt install memtest86+ && sudo update-grub # then reboot, should have memtest86+ in grub menu, let it run through the passes. While shutdown you might double check your RAM is fully seated.
• 2856[19:38:51] <newbie22> does anyone know where I can find a live image to boot from a usb drive for a dell laptop
• 2857[19:38:57] <user___> ok
• 2858[19:39:27] <dayne> newbie22: replaced-url
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• 2860[19:39:52] <hammock> Hello, i have a proxmox server with two debian virtual machines. My server has the IP 192.168.0.222. My VMs are 10.10.10.2, 10.10.10.3. I have a bridge configured in the proxmox host that is 10.10.10.1
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• 2864[19:40:21] <hammock> i set up a nat connection with iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s '192.168.100.0/24' -o vmbr0 -j MASQUERADE
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• 2866[19:40:34] <hammock> and i can ping 192.168.0.222 from 10.10.10.2 / 3
• 2867[19:40:53] <hammock> but i have no internet access from 10.10.10.2. What am i missing?
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• 2869[19:41:08] <newbie22> dayne: I do not want to instal
• 2870[19:41:33] <newbie22> I do not want to install, just from usb and use linux
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• 2872[19:42:22] <mtn_> newbie22: that is what a live cd is
• 2873[19:42:23] <dayne> newbie22: time to stop and read that website I linked you to. You see they explain what live CD is for and then work you through some of the questions you'll need to answer to decide which is best for you.
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• 2876[19:43:16] <towo`> if the laptop is using efi, none of that cd will boot
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• 2878[19:45:39] <dayne> hammock: you set the VM's to use 10.10.10.1 as your default gateway/router?
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• 2881[19:46:12] <hammock> Yes dayne, thanks for answering. I can also ping both 10.10.10.1 and 192.168.0.222 from my virtual machines
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• 2883[19:46:24] <dayne> hammock: ip route show | grep default # double check the VM's have a default route
• 2884[19:47:19] <Wzup> I got a question about SHASUM files, if anyone can confirm this? The sha512sums.sign file is meant to confirm that the output of the sha512sums file is correct, right? So, if don't download the sha512sums file and rather copy the sha512sums code on the debian website instead of downloading the sign + sha512sums. Then I do not need the sha512sums.sign file, right?
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• 2887[19:47:39] <hammock> dayne: default via 10.10.10.1 dev eth0
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• 2890[19:47:54] <Walakea> does Debian plan to support guix?
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• 2901[19:53:30] <dayne> hammock: what is the gateway of your host system (not VM) - and can the VM's ping that (not just the host system IP).
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• 2905[19:55:45] <hammock> dayne: it can ping the default gateway.
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• 2911[19:58:25] <hammock> dayne: it is 192.168.0.221 and yes, i can ping it.
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• 2941[20:08:24] <petn-randall> Hi, I noticed that two user's on the same system can't see/access each other's VMs on libvirt. How can I allow that?
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• 2945[20:09:16] <hellyeah> how can i fix that
• 2946[20:09:21] <hellyeah> replaced-url
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• 2948[20:09:58] <hellyeah> any ideas?
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• 2950[20:10:51] <petn-randall> hellyeah: Fix what exactly?
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• 2952[20:11:31] <hellyeah> there is some "failed" message
• 2953[20:11:42] <hellyeah> obviously something didnt work correctly
• 2954[20:11:49] <hellyeah> right?
• 2955[20:11:52] <hellyeah> like sap-server: Operation not permitted
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• 2958[20:12:14] <petn-randall> hellyeah: This is on which OS?
• 2959[20:12:16] <hellyeah> those message is not important?
• 2960[20:12:20] <hellyeah> debian jessie
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• 2962[20:12:45] <petn-randall> hellyeah: "Blocked through rfkill" is the relevant message here.
• 2963[20:12:58] <petn-randall> hellyeah: You need to press the switch that activates bluetooth.
• 2964[20:13:23] <hellyeah> accordinng to debian wiki page i should have got "bluetooth is running" message
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• 2967[20:15:50] <hellyeah> dont have any switch on my comp for bluetooth
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• 2971[20:22:23] <hellyeah> root@debian:/home/hellyeah# rfkill list all bash: rfkill: command not found ?
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• 2981[20:24:32] <hellyeah> it is not installed
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• 2988[20:25:08] <petn-randall> hellyeah: apt install rfkill
• 2989[20:25:16] <hellyeah> i did
• 2990[20:25:22] <hellyeah> that must be the problem 4: hci0: Bluetooth Soft blocked: yes Hard blocked: no
• 2991[20:25:27] <hellyeah> is it?
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• 2995[20:26:11] <petn-randall> hellyeah: Yes, you can run "rfkill unblock hci0".
• 2996[20:26:16] <hellyeah> i did rfkill unblock bluetooth and soft blocked:no i got
• 2997[20:26:23] <petn-randall> hellyeah: Your GUI should probably be doing that for you, though.
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• 3000[20:26:35] <hellyeah> work now it seems
• 3001[20:26:39] <hellyeah> let see
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• 3003[20:27:21] <hellyeah> YAY
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• 3008[20:27:58] <hellyeah> but i dont understand how rfkill blocked my bluetootheven it is not in your system
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• 3011[20:28:17] <cybrNaut> ,v weboob
• 3012[20:28:18] <judd> Package: weboob on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.c-4.1; jessie: 1.0-3; stretch: 1.2-1; sid: 1.2-1
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• 3020[20:30:14] <contrapunctus> o/
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• 3025[20:32:21] <contrapunctus> I'm trying to install using debian-8.7.1-amd64-DVD-1.iso (and md5sum matches); I get a "failed to load ldlinux.c32" messagee when trying to run the installation flash drive, however. What should I do?
• 3026[20:32:25] <hellyeah> thanks
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• 3028[20:33:11] <mtn_> contrapunctus: how did you make the usb?
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• 3034[20:34:13] <contrapunctus> mtn_: cp /path/to/iso /dev/sdX
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• 3036[20:34:37] <mtn_> contrapunctus: secure boot turned off?
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• 3039[20:35:20] <user___> dayne: memtest86+ no errors detected
• 3040[20:36:19] <contrapunctus> mtn_: it runs windows 7; how do I do that?
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• 3042[20:36:43] <r00t> contrapunctus: You just cp'd to the flash drive? You didn't use dd?
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• 3044[20:36:50] <mtn_> contrapunctus: look in the bios
• 3045[20:36:52] <contrapunctus> r00t: no.
• 3046[20:37:00] <contrapunctus> mtn_: I /was/ able to live boot earlier though, so I guess it's off?
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• 3048[20:37:19] <mtn_> contrapunctus: why guess? you need to know
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• 3053[20:37:52] <contrapunctus> mtn_: and it doesn't have BIOS, it's UEFI o.o
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• 3055[20:38:12] <mtn_> contrapunctus: go see if secure boot is off. make sure fast boot is off, too
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• 3057[20:39:01] <r00t> I'm surprised they can boot from the flash drive at all if they just have an .iso file copied on it
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• 3064[20:40:37] <missmbob> r00t: go read something. that *is* how you "burn" an iso to usb
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• 3069[20:41:45] <missmbob> r00t: see 4.3.1 and cp replaced-url
• 3070[20:42:03] <contrapunctus> mtn_: The "SecureBoot" checkbox is unchecked, but also grayed-out. Boot mode is "legacy" (other options being "UEFI Hybrid (with CSM)" "UEFI Native (without CSM)"), FWIW
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• 3072[20:42:45] <mtn_> contrapunctus: ok, good
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• 3074[20:43:15] <mtn_> r00t: debian uses a hybrid iso and cp is the preferred method of putting it on the usb
• 3075[20:43:34] <mtn_> r00t: replaced-url
• 3076[20:43:58] <missmbob> mtn_: have i been +q or something? :P
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• 3078[20:44:35] <contrapunctus> lol
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• 3080[20:45:46] <mtn_> missmbob: always makes you wonder, doesn't it ;)
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• 3084[20:46:10] <mtn_> missmbob: I missed that you said it
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• 3086[20:46:15] <missmbob> okay good :)
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• 3108[20:54:25] <newbie22> ok, so I have installed debian live on a usb drive and booted from it on a laptop, does anyone know what the root password is ??
• 3109[20:54:42] <missmbob> !live user
• 3110[20:54:42] <dpkg> The debian-live images for Debian 8 "Jessie" have a user account configured for you to use. username: user ; password: live
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• 3112[20:55:00] <missmbob> there is no "root". you use sudo
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• 3118[20:55:53] <contrapunctus> so...anyone have any ideas?
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• 3123[20:57:18] <OerHeks> contrapunctus, on what machine? you state windows 7, 32 bit? so it might have 32 bit uefi?
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• 3128[20:58:13] <contrapunctus> OerHeks: I don't think I mentioned 32bit...I ran uname -a in a live install and it said i686 IIRC
• 3129[20:58:23] <missmbob> that's 32-bit
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• 3131[20:58:46] <newbie22> missmbob: I am wanting to use the machine for learning unix,,, can you give me the short on how to use sudo for root
• 3132[20:58:56] <newbie22> I mean linux
• 3133[20:59:33] <missmbob> newbie22: when you want to run something as root, just put sudo in front of it. sudo apt-get update
• 3134[20:59:40] <contrapunctus> is i686 32-bit?
• 3135[20:59:46] <missmbob> newbie22: that gives you root priveleges
• 3136[21:00:14] <missmbob> contrapunctus: it is
• 3137[21:00:15] <OerHeks> contrapunctus, yes
• 3138[21:00:16] <contrapunctus> missmbob: just playing xD
• 3139[21:00:28] <contrapunctus> thanks, I'll try a 32 bit ISO then /o\
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• 3158[21:09:22] <styler2go> does anyone know of a easy to config dlna server for linux?
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• 3160[21:09:57] <missmbob> rygel is probably the easiest.
• 3161[21:10:14] <styler2go> i used minidlna before but it had too few features
• 3162[21:10:39] <missmbob> rygel is very minimal. you'll want rygel-preferences as well
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• 3165[21:10:52] <styler2go> i don't have ui
• 3166[21:11:03] <styler2go> it's just a home file server
• 3167[21:11:18] <missmbob> then dont get that package. just rygel will do. you'll need to google how to manually configure it
• 3168[21:11:25] <solrize> !jessie sysvinit
• 3169[21:11:26] <dpkg> To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: replaced-url
• 3170[21:11:53] <missmbob> styler2go: it'll just work without configuring btw.
• 3171[21:12:12] <styler2go> missmbob but i need to say where my media files are?
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• 3173[21:12:34] <missmbob> styler2go: i think default config it'll just find it.
• 3174[21:12:45] <styler2go> uuuh rygel can transcode on the fly. nice one
• 3175[21:12:49] <styler2go> will try it thanks :)
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• 3180[21:16:12] <plantfood> anyone know if debian 9 will still be running Xorg as root ? :x
• 3181[21:16:39] <rudi_s> plantfood: Depends on your login manager, but lightdm and similar should be able to run it as non-root. Per default X is no longer setuid.
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• 3184[21:19:01] <plantfood> i did an install recently without any DE of 8.7 but it was setuid ? but an install of sid didn't have the setuid
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• 3188[21:19:23] <plantfood> same hardware
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• 3192[21:21:21] <rudi_s> plantfood: Well 8.7 vs sid/9.
• 3193[21:22:07] <missmbob> stretch is 9 not sid
• 3194[21:22:38] <plantfood> ^ i'd guess 9 will definitely have non-root Xorg then
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• 3196[21:23:00] <plantfood> *stable 9
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• 3209[21:31:23] <plantfood> *an install of stretch didn't have the setuid
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• 3247[21:51:10] <cav3at> So I've been dabbling around with packaging, primarily looking at creating my own Python3.6 package.
• 3248[21:51:39] <cav3at> After looking at the deb source packages for existing python versions, I am entirely overwhelmed by their size and complexity.
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• 3250[21:52:20] <cav3at> Do others share this sentiment about debian packaging?
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• 3252[21:53:02] <adriano44> Hi anyone has got ESXi server here ?
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• 3305[22:13:43] <imMute> cav3at: I will admit, it took me a while to get used to debian packaging. Even now I can't say I fully understand it (especially the parts involving helpers other than debhelper)
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• 3307[22:14:10] <imMute> cav3at: Are you looking to do something very different or just slightly tweak the existing python3.6 package?
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• 3312[22:14:23] <cav3at> Thank you, imMute.
• 3313[22:14:31] <CrowX-> why would my bash command prompt look like this? \[\033[01;31m\]\u\[\033[01;33m\]@\[\033[01;36m\]\h \[\033[01;33m\]\w \[\033[01;35m\]$ \[\033[00m\]
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• 3315[22:14:43] <CrowX-> instead of the normal username@hostname$
• 3316[22:14:55] <cav3at> CrowX-, those are color codes
• 3317[22:15:02] <cav3at> It's not escaping correctly
• 3318[22:15:06] <CrowX-> why
• 3319[22:15:41] <cav3at> imMute, I was partially just wanting to learn and make something that I'd use. They only real change that I would include is the compliation optimizations.
• 3320[22:15:58] <styler2go> Ok, rygel is a pain missmbob
• 3321[22:16:05] <cav3at> CrowX-, you're are running bash, I assume?
• 3322[22:17:06] <cav3at> I don't think there is an existing python3.6 package in even testign.
• 3323[22:17:07] <CrowX-> cav3at, no sh
• 3324[22:17:10] <cav3at> *testing
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• 3326[22:18:38] <cav3at> CrowX-, could you post what your PS1 is set to?
• 3327[22:18:48] <cav3at> just echo $PS1
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• 3330[22:19:04] <CrowX-> cav3at, I just switched to bash, and the problem went away
• 3331[22:19:06] <CrowX-> i.e. it shows fine now
• 3332[22:19:36] <cav3at> Fair enough. sh might not support the same color codes or perhaps doesn't support them at all.
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• 3334[22:19:59] <DaRk_aNoMaLy13> anyone have any issues running apt-get update with it saying there is conflicting distributions
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• 3336[22:20:29] <fugitive> What is the error message?
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• 3338[22:21:26] <DaRk_aNoMaLy13> expected stable but got opennms
• 3339[22:21:42] <imMute> cav3at: I didn't see one in a quick search, so you've got alot ahead of you then.
• 3340[22:21:59] <imMute> cav3at: the Developers Reference is a good place to start. specifically replaced-url
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• 3342[22:22:23] <cav3at> I'll give that a look, imMute. I've also been reading though the Maintainer's Guide.
• 3343[22:22:43] <cav3at> However, it would probably behoove me to reduce the scope of my first package.
• 3344[22:23:05] <imMute> cav3at: I will say, you'll probably be better off starting much smaller than Python though. The packages I make (for $work, not Debian) are significantly smaller.
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• 3347[22:23:28] <cav3at> Agreed.
• 3348[22:23:29] <imMute> get comfortable with debhelper and the various tools listed in Appendix A
• 3349[22:23:47] <cav3at> Will do, imMute. Bookmarking.
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• 3351[22:24:32] <imMute> cav3at: replaced-url
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• 3353[22:25:33] <cav3at> Saw that one too. I'll dig into it more. Finding current documentation can be frustrating at times.
• 3354[22:26:06] <awal1> how to make pastebinit works with a command plus option/argument? Example: dpkg -l | pastebinit -P -a foo
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• 3356[22:26:31] <awal1> that doesnt work ^
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• 3365[22:30:59] <Neobenedict> is there a way
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• 3369[22:31:10] <Neobenedict> to mirror my server in its entirety to another serve
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• 3372[22:31:10] <Neobenedict> r
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• 3374[22:31:19] <Neobenedict> going from
• 3375[22:31:23] <Neobenedict> a 16TB raid 10
• 3376[22:31:29] <Neobenedict> to 24TB no raid
• 3377[22:31:48] <Neobenedict> i need to somehow combine all the drives together
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• 3379[22:32:14] <Neobenedict> as my largest partition is bigger than the individual drive sizes
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• 3381[22:32:31] <Neobenedict> 7.2TB = largest partition atm, the drives are 6TB each
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• 3386[22:33:25] <contrapunctus> o/
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• 3388[22:33:30] <cav3at> You'll have to setup some type of raid array.
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• 3392[22:34:25] <Neobenedict> what type of raid array doesn't take up any storage
• 3393[22:34:33] <cav3at> 0
• 3394[22:34:41] <Neobenedict> i'm not using raid 0
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• 3399[22:35:07] <Neobenedict> is there an alternate for raid that can just group disks together
• 3400[22:35:11] <contrapunctus> I accidentally created an installation without setting up any users (!); attempting to re-install from the same media gives me a "failed to determine codename of release" error at the 'installing the base system' step; what should I do?
• 3401[22:35:15] <Neobenedict> also im using software raid
• 3402[22:35:16] <Neobenedict> i believe
• 3403[22:35:18] <Neobenedict> so that may be a problem
• 3404[22:35:33] <Neobenedict> do you think it'd be easier to just
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• 3406[22:35:35] <Neobenedict> "migrate"
• 3407[22:35:40] <Neobenedict> instead of trying to mirror
• 3408[22:36:08] <Neobenedict> if i just copy home folders across, my /storage drive, then apt-get install *absolutely everything at once*
• 3409[22:36:10] <Neobenedict> what could do wrong
• 3410[22:36:12] <Neobenedict> go*
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• 3412[22:36:36] <cav3at> That actually sounds pretty decent, Neobenedict.
• 3413[22:37:01] <cav3at> aside from installing every package, but I think that was just humor.
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• 3415[22:37:05] <Neobenedict> well
• 3416[22:37:05] <Neobenedict> apt list --installed
• 3417[22:37:09] <Neobenedict> all of those, again
• 3418[22:37:19] <cav3at> Yeah. That sounds fine.
• 3419[22:37:35] <Neobenedict> is there a way to group together drives in linux
• 3420[22:37:40] <Neobenedict> so with two 6tb drives
• 3421[22:37:43] <Neobenedict> i could have a 12tb partition
• 3422[22:37:45] <arTee> lvm?
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• 3426[22:38:08] <cav3at> Even then you'd have to use RAID.
• 3427[22:38:17] <Neobenedict> i want to utilise all 24tb
• 3428[22:38:35] <cav3at> Logical volumes I believe are confined to their physical group (partition) in LVM.
• 3429[22:38:49] <cav3at> Neobenedict, RAID0 let's you use all of the bytes.
• 3430[22:38:56] <sikun> anyone have any suggestions for a good project manager solution?
• 3431[22:38:59] <Neobenedict> but raid 0 is raid 0
• 3432[22:39:04] <Neobenedict> one drive dies so does all the data
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• 3435[22:39:33] <cav3at> You can't have both redundancy and full capacity. That doesn't exist.
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• 3437[22:40:01] <imMute> cav3at: FWIW, I found the python3 package: replaced-url
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• 3440[22:40:17] <Neobenedict> cav3at: it's more a case of having one "folder" that can store 24tb
• 3441[22:40:24] <Neobenedict> instead of four folders
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• 3443[22:40:31] <contrapunctus> people? anyone?
• 3444[22:40:36] <cav3at> That's is a very decent idea, imMute.
• 3445[22:40:43] <Neobenedict> it's not really an issue
• 3446[22:40:50] * Neobenedict looks up raid types
• 3447[22:41:23] <Neobenedict> i'm thinking
• 3448[22:41:27] <cav3at> contrapunctus, couldn't you just reinstall with users?
• 3449[22:41:33] <Neobenedict> maybe i can do a raid 0 with two of the drives and a raid 1 with the other two
• 3450[22:41:42] <JC_SoCal> hi everyone -- i have openvpn setup well, if i do service openvpn start -- it automatically connects to the vpn. However, is it possible to have it perform this action on boot -- WITHOUT login? preferably one of the first things it does
• 3451[22:41:44] <Neobenedict> i'll end up with 18tb usable
• 3452[22:41:50] <contrapunctus> cav3at: "attempting to re-install from the same media gives me a "failed to determine codename of release" error at the 'installing the base system' step;"
• 3453[22:42:04] <cav3at> Then perhaps something is wrong with the installation media.
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• 3455[22:42:33] <cav3at> Neobenedict, that sounds fair.
• 3456[22:42:56] <cav3at> How many disks do you have and what are their sizes?
• 3457[22:43:00] <contrapunctus> cav3at: but if it installed just fine the first time?
• 3458[22:43:16] <Neobenedict> cav3at: 4x6TB
• 3459[22:44:00] <cav3at> Yeah, contrapunctus. That doesn't make sense. Perhaps wipe the destination device and start with a clean slate.
• 3460[22:44:02] <Neobenedict> replaced-url
• 3461[22:44:08] <Neobenedict> or, is what i will end up having
• 3462[22:44:25] <tw> JC_SoCal: add it to the default services with systemctl
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• 3464[22:44:46] <Neobenedict> do you think I can just copy my /etc folder across
• 3465[22:44:48] <cav3at> You could use RAID5? You could have one drive fail, but you still get 18GB across all?
• 3466[22:44:48] <Neobenedict> to a new installation
• 3467[22:44:52] <JC_SoCal> tw: thx i'll read about this
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• 3469[22:45:01] <contrapunctus> cav3at: I did format the concerned partition before both installs...guess I'll try a new flash drive tomorrow...
• 3470[22:45:10] <Neobenedict> since /etc has a lot like nginx
• 3471[22:45:13] <Neobenedict> iptables rules
• 3472[22:45:19] <cav3at> Fair enough. Sorry I couldn't be of more help, contrapunctus.
• 3473[22:45:22] <Neobenedict> but is there anything in there that a new linux installation wouldn't like
• 3474[22:45:41] <Neobenedict> assuming i'm going from debian 8 to debian 8
• 3475[22:45:43] <cav3at> Neobenedict, I wouldn't do that.
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• 3477[22:45:55] <contrapunctus> cav3at: thanks nevertheless :)
• 3478[22:45:57] <cav3at> Packages have files spread across the system. /etc, /var, lib, more.
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• 3481[22:46:36] <Neobenedict> so i'll need to dig everything out
• 3482[22:46:45] <cav3at> There are also all of the ephemeral directories like /sys and /proc that you wouldn't want to move.
• 3483[22:47:11] <Neobenedict> what can be directly moved
• 3484[22:47:16] <cav3at> Neobenedict, I assume all the unique data you want to move over could be found and just rsync'ed over.
• 3485[22:47:16] <Neobenedict> home obviously
• 3486[22:47:22] <Neobenedict> well, it's scatteredd
• 3487[22:47:30] <Neobenedict> and all the applications i use would need to be reconfigured
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• 3489[22:48:18] <cav3at> True, if you don't have any type of configuration management setup, you'll have to reconfigure everything.
• 3490[22:49:09] <cav3at> I suppose you could attempt to just copy over the blocks to the new location somehow.
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• 3495[22:52:49] <tw> Neobenedict: look into LVM. You can add any number of PVs to a single VG then allocate a logical volume across any or all of them. But you're still hardly better off than raid0.
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• 3497[22:54:18] <cav3at> tw, I don't think you can create a multi-pv volume group.
• 3498[22:54:42] <tw> you absolutely can
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• 3500[22:55:02] <tw> that's why it's a "volume group"
• 3501[22:55:05] <tw> ie, a group of volumes
• 3502[22:55:17] <cav3at> Nevermind. You are right. replaced-url
• 3503[22:55:53] <cav3at> +1 to tw
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• 3507[22:57:46] <Neobenedict> i think raid5 may be a good option
• 3508[22:58:24] <cav3at> That's what I'm running on my home server.
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• 3513[23:00:45] <mrrhq-mobile> Disclaimer: Don't use RAID5/6 with btrfs. But I don't know if it'll still count if it's encapsulated with the LVM layer.
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• 3515[23:01:25] <cav3at> I haven't used btrfs yet, but it's definitely on the list. I hear good things, but it's like a whole new world.
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• 3520[23:03:47] <SunOS> hello
• 3521[23:03:54] <SunOS> i have strange situation
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• 3524[23:04:19] <SunOS> i change the ssh port from sshd_config
• 3525[23:04:38] <SunOS> but still i can connect from default port
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• 3527[23:05:05] <tw> Did you restart the service?
• 3528[23:05:09] <SunOS> yeah
• 3529[23:05:14] <SunOS> that it`s normal
• 3530[23:05:30] <SunOS> to do after change the config
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• 3538[23:08:13] <SunOS> why that
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• 3541[23:09:04] <tw> use netstat -lnp to find the process listening on 22, verify it is the sshd process you are expecting and not inetd/etc, then check that it was started after your sshd_config was changed. If all of that checks out, your sshd_config is wrong.
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• 3557[23:19:16] <afidegnum> hello, how do i recursively extract .tgz files in debian?
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• 3560[23:21:34] <afidegnum> any insightt?
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• 3565[23:25:49] <digdilem> tar -zxf file
• 3566[23:26:22] <hiole24> hi could someone help with finding drivers for dell laptop what is the command to find out the name of the wifi card ?
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• 3568[23:27:39] <tomcres> lspci -nn | grep -i wireless
• 3569[23:27:46] <hiole24> thanks
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• 3572[23:28:50] <hiole24> tomcres ok got the name of it
• 3573[23:29:11] <hiole24> what whats the best website where can i download the driver
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• 3575[23:31:05] <somiaj> hiole24: you shoudln't need to download a driver. You most likely just need to install the firmware from debian non-free repo. For newer cards you may need a new kernel/firmware from jessie-backports
• 3576[23:31:18] <jezebel> apt-cache search firmware-*, apt-cache show <package>
• 3577[23:31:30] <somiaj> !non-free
• 3578[23:31:30] <dpkg> [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see replaced-url
• 3579[23:31:39] <somiaj> most likley you'll have to enable non-free if you have not already
• 3580[23:31:43] <somiaj> !non-free sources
• 3581[23:31:43] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
• 3582[23:31:49] <hiole24> yes thats true
• 3583[23:31:51] <hiole24> one moment
• 3584[23:33:38] <hiole24> how to i find the right package for intel corporation pro/ wireless 3945abg golan
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• 3586[23:34:27] <somiaj> firmware-iwlwifi
• 3587[23:34:29] <jezebel> you want firmware-iwlwifi for that one
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• 3589[23:34:44] <jezebel> pretty standard :)
• 3590[23:34:55] <jezebel> apt-cache show firmware-iwlwifi
• 3591[23:34:59] <jezebel> has it listed
• 3592[23:35:02] <hiole24> one sec
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• 3596[23:36:38] <hiole24> command not found
• 3597[23:37:17] <jezebel> huh? should be in any debian installation
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• 3600[23:38:11] <hiole24> apt-cache show firmware -iw | wifi ?
• 3601[23:38:25] <hiole24> what is -iw ?
• 3602[23:38:31] <jezebel> firmware-iwlwifi is the name of the package
• 3603[23:38:33] <jezebel> no spaces
• 3604[23:38:40] <jezebel> iwl = intel wireless
• 3605[23:38:43] <OerHeks> one word, firmware-iwlwifi
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• 3609[23:39:19] <hiole24> ok
• 3610[23:39:25] <jezebel> might want to pipe into a pager :)
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• 3613[23:40:12] <hiole24> no packages found
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• 3615[23:40:44] <jezebel> did you update?
• 3616[23:40:48] <jezebel> sudo apt-get update
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• 3619[23:41:00] <jezebel> (after editing your /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 3621[23:41:16] <hiole24> one sec
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• 3623[23:42:56] <hiole24> i did the update
• 3624[23:43:09] <hiole24> and still same thing when i repeated the command
• 3625[23:43:24] <hiole24> how can i edit the /etc/apt sources list ?
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• 3628[23:44:01] <jezebel> using your favorite text editor
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• 3630[23:44:32] <jezebel> are you on command line only or do you have access to a desktop environment?
• 3631[23:45:03] <jezebel> you'll generally need root privileges to edit that file
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• 3636[23:50:26] <hiole24> both
• 3637[23:50:49] <hiole24> i have root privilages
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• 3641[23:51:51] <hiole24> jezbel
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• 3644[23:51:55] <hiole24> jezebel
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• 3649[23:52:25] <uhtndd> hi
• 3650[23:53:06] <hiole24> jezebel how can i do this from command line
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• 3657[23:54:33] <uhtndd> can anyone help? I was using gnome and installed awesome with apt but it didnt show up in the gdm login screen so I decided to restart gdm (service gdm restart). since then the system does not properly load gdm at boot
• 3658[23:54:44] <jezebel> whoa
• 3659[23:54:48] <hiole24> hey
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• 3661[23:55:37] <redrabbit> check your privilages
• 3662[23:55:37] <uhtndd> and even messes up when I login and run startx. it was working fine until this happened
• 3663[23:55:50] <jezebel> sudo $EDITOR /etc/apt/sources.list # but be careful with this, you can break your system
• 3664[23:56:03] <hiole24> ok
• 3665[23:56:07] <jezebel> if you're new to debian, it might be better for you to use something like synaptic
• 3666[23:56:43] <jezebel> (assuming you have a gui)
• 3667[23:57:22] <hiole24> ok i think thats better
• 3668[23:57:30] <hiole24> how can i do this?
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• 3670[23:57:48] <hiole24> mousepad will work i think
• 3671[23:58:29] <uhtndd> when I run service gdm status I get active running but also shows errors (unable to kill session worker process, child already dead)
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