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this is #debian an IRC -Channel at freenode (freenode IRC service closed 2021-06-01)
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260 [02:22:48] <AlexPortable> Is there a similar tool like webmin?
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269 [02:23:49] <missmbob> !free whcp
270 [02:23:49] <dpkg> FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. replaced-url
271 [02:23:58] <AlexPortable> Well I'm not looking for a webhosting panel
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273 [02:25:14] <AlexPortable> missmbob: ^
274 [02:25:39] <AlexPortable> !free controlpanels
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276 [02:27:48] <AlexPortable> Also to manage users and groups
277 [02:27:50] <AlexPortable> and their permissions
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290 [02:37:17] <Arianna> Is there any way to reread the fsck messages that appear during boot (ex: check forced in 3 mounts)? I thought dmesg would do it, but no.
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307 [02:48:44] <missmbob> Arianna: they're in /var/log/fsck/
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317 [02:59:24] <Tynach> Hi, how do I force aptitude/synaptic (or whichever is able) to remove a package before installing other packages, to fix broken packages? One package that's partially installed is trying to overwrite a file from another package, but nothing depends on that other package, so I want to simply remove it first before finishing the install of the broken package. However, whenever I simply mark the package I want removed to be removed, and mark
318 [02:59:25] <Tynach> the package to be fixed as being upgraded/installed, it tries to install the latter before removing the former (which just causes it to error and do nothing).
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355 [03:21:50] <veek> any way to populate tmpfs in debian with expected files
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379 [03:44:11] <hackspirit0> Hi all, I tried installing the debian using the Win32DiskImager and while installing it on USB drive
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381 [03:44:27] <hackspirit0> the deb installation is stuck at the
382 [03:44:42] <hackspirit0> 33% creating the / partition
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384 [03:44:55] <hackspirit0> i have waited like 15 minutes
385 [03:45:07] <hackspirit0> any idea what is wrong?
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390 [03:45:42] <hackspirit0> debian usb installation stuck at / partition creation, any idea ahy?
391 [03:45:56] <hackspirit0> debian usb installation stuck at / partition creation, any idea ahy?
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393 [03:46:43] <hackspirit0> debian usb installation stuck at / partition creation, any idea ahy?
394 [03:46:56] <hackspirit0> debian usb installation stuck at / partition creation, any idea ahy?
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398 [03:47:43] <hackspirit0> replaced-url
399 [03:47:47] <hackspirit0> oops
400 [03:47:54] <hackspirit0> [08:16] <hackspirit0> debian usb installation stuck at / partition creation, any idea ahy?
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402 [03:48:07] <hackspirit0> debian usb installation stuck at / partition creation, any idea why?
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407 [03:48:21] <hackspirit0> debian usb installation stuck at / partition creation, any idea ahy?
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425 [03:54:53] <efloid> does anyone know how to mount a usb flash drive on an old system running 2.6 kernel?
426 [03:55:13] <efloid> some module that needs to be loaded?
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429 [03:55:44] <missmbob> sudo mount /dev/sdx /path
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432 [03:57:03] <missmbob> /dev/sdx1 actually
433 [03:57:11] <efloid> missmbob: but it's not showing up as sda
434 [03:57:21] <efloid> what's the module that needs to be loaded?
435 [03:57:28] <missmbob> i dont care what it shows up as
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438 [03:57:42] <missmbob> there is no module
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440 [03:58:02] <efloid> missmbob: in syslog there's nothing that shows up registering as sdX
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442 [03:58:34] <efloid> i get "not a valid block device" for sda1
443 [03:58:37] <missmbob> i didnt actually mean x. it's a variable. it'll be sd something (not a)
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446 [03:59:30] <efloid> the hard disk is hda
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450 [04:00:05] <TheCoffeMaker> efloid, where are you trying to run the usb?
451 [04:00:08] <missmbob> are you being thick on purpose?
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453 [04:00:24] <efloid> syslog just shows that a usb device is plugged in but says "USB device ... is not claimed by any active driver"
454 [04:00:42] <efloid> missmbob: no sorry
455 [04:00:43] <TheCoffeMaker> efloid, what's your machine?
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457 [04:00:57] <efloid> TheCoffeMaker: Thinkpad 235
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460 [04:01:20] <efloid> from 2003
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462 [04:01:44] <TheCoffeMaker> estoy viendo
463 [04:01:58] <TheCoffeMaker> im seeing
464 [04:02:01] <TheCoffeMaker> :P
465 [04:02:25] <nmschulte> aptitude, in interactive mode, is telling me I have a bunch of package conflicts that need resolved (by installing packages that are currently not installed), but using aptitude upgrade says I have nothing to do. How do I resolve this properly?
466 [04:02:31] <efloid> the flash drive is actually bigger than the hard drive :-/
467 [04:02:45] <TheCoffeMaker> lol
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470 [04:03:16] <efloid> TheCoffeMaker: there's a 2.4 and a 2.6 kernel on it
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473 [04:04:03] <TheCoffeMaker> you want just to mount it right? not booting ... booting is fine?
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475 [04:04:46] <efloid> TheCoffeMaker: yes just mount. bios doesn't support booting from USB. i have to use Tom's Root or another floppy to try and load module to boot of usb CD drive
476 [04:05:07] <efloid> TheCoffeMaker: but right now i just want to mount usb flash drive with it
477 [04:05:10] <TheCoffeMaker> :)
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479 [04:05:40] <efloid> actually i think in the past i had a scsi pcmcia card that connected to a cd drive
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481 [04:05:50] <TheCoffeMaker> you need usbhid
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483 [04:06:02] <TheCoffeMaker> you need usbcore
484 [04:06:23] <efloid> i see usbcore and usb-ohci loaded
485 [04:06:36] <efloid> no usbhid module found
486 [04:06:45] <TheCoffeMaker> ohci is because usb 1.0
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488 [04:07:15] <TheCoffeMaker> usb_storage ?
489 [04:07:28] <efloid> am rebooting to 2.6 kernel....
490 [04:07:33] <efloid> will try in a sec
491 [04:07:34] <TheCoffeMaker> ok
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493 [04:08:01] <efloid> this thing has unstable on it. wonder what would happen if i do an apt-get upgrade?
494 [04:08:51] <TheCoffeMaker> will implode
495 [04:08:55] <TheCoffeMaker> LOL
496 [04:09:06] <efloid> i'm really appreciateing IceWM
497 [04:10:02] <TheCoffeMaker> efloid, open a terminal and monitor the syslog ... with tail -500f /var/log/syslog
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499 [04:10:14] <efloid> hmm usb_storage appears to have loaded
500 [04:10:26] <TheCoffeMaker> try pluging and unpluging the drive
501 [04:10:47] <TheCoffeMaker> you should see the events on the log
502 [04:10:48] <efloid> yep it's seeing the drive
503 [04:10:53] <efloid> yes in syslog
504 [04:11:03] <TheCoffeMaker> :)
505 [04:11:15] <TheCoffeMaker> you are just a mount away now
506 [04:11:24] <efloid> i'll be damned
507 [04:11:35] <efloid> i see it now as sda. thanks!
508 [04:12:00] <TheCoffeMaker> u r welcome
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510 [04:12:43] <efloid> so i can add something to /etc/hotplug.d ?
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513 [04:14:26] <efloid> or maybe /etc/modutils
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519 [04:16:57] <AlwaysHigh> hey how can i check what encoding type my debian os is using?
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522 [04:17:43] <AlwaysHigh> cause im running a python script which is pulling filenames & paths but is converting strings to bytes like it converted ... to \x85
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524 [04:17:51] <AlwaysHigh> which is totally confusing me
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527 [04:19:12] <neiz> are you high?
528 [04:19:25] <neiz> only kidding :) try: echo $LC_CTYPE
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531 [04:20:04] <AlwaysHigh> neiz, not currently :P but that returned nothing
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534 [04:20:38] <dvs> AlwaysHigh, then try: locale
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536 [04:20:57] <AlwaysHigh> dvs locale?
537 [04:21:16] <neiz> yup :) or try running 'locale charmap'
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539 [04:21:41] <AlwaysHigh> ok that returned UTF-8
540 [04:21:48] <AlwaysHigh> boy this is really pissing me off now
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543 [04:22:30] <AlwaysHigh> -> /pool0/Music/metallica/1988 - â–’And Justice for All/02 - â–’And Justice for All.mp3
544 [04:22:30] <AlwaysHigh> those squares are just three fullstops
545 [04:22:38] <AlwaysHigh> thats printed from python script
546 [04:22:46] <AlwaysHigh> pulled from os.walk()
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553 [04:23:39] <neiz> pass a Unicode string to os.walk()
554 [04:23:42] <neiz> os.walk(ur'C:\example')
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559 [04:26:17] <AlwaysHigh> neiz the inital dir that is walking is the one with special characters
560 [04:26:22] <AlwaysHigh> its what it returns
561 [04:26:25] <AlwaysHigh> that fails
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564 [04:27:26] <AlwaysHigh> neiz, UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0x85 in position 8: ordinal not in range(128)
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569 [04:28:45] <AlwaysHigh> neiz is like os.walk is converting ... to \x85
570 [04:28:52] <AlwaysHigh> not matter for format anything is in
571 [04:29:10] <AlwaysHigh> like why the F**K would it convert ...
572 [04:29:16] <AlwaysHigh> its no speical character
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577 [04:30:53] <neiz> hmm, not sure if related but replaced-url
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581 [04:33:19] <AlwaysHigh> yeah cause i can os.walk the ... directory
582 [04:33:35] <AlwaysHigh> and it outputs fine
583 [04:34:00] <AlwaysHigh> litterly i had encode types
584 [04:34:13] <AlwaysHigh> hate*
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593 [04:39:43] <lhunath> Does it make sense to install stretch packages into a jessie system or should I either stick to jessie+jessie-backports or completely switch over to stretch?
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595 [04:41:24] <somiaj> !don'tbreakdebian
596 [04:41:25] <dpkg> [dont break debian] replaced-url
597 [04:41:30] <somiaj> lhunath: read that ^^
598 [04:42:50] <lhunath> Cool, glad I asked.
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602 [04:45:04] <veek> any way to populate tmpfs in debian with files automatically
603 [04:45:34] <somiaj> lhunath: it is a shared libary system, so the problem is with the libaries needed to install a stretch package more than the stretch package. And that is what a backport is, newer software complied for the jessie libaries.
604 [04:45:44] <somiaj> veek: what do you mean? You just want to fill up your ram with files?
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606 [04:46:34] <lhunath> So, self-backport.
607 [04:46:51] <somiaj> !ssb
608 [04:46:51] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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610 [04:47:10] <somiaj> lhunath: jessie-backports are just packages someone else has done the leg-work, in this case a trusted debian matainer/developer
611 [04:47:12] <veek> somiaj, i want to feed a populated /var/log but via tmpfs
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615 [04:47:34] <somiaj> veek: why do you want /var/log as tmpfs, you will loose all logs if the system shuts down.
616 [04:47:55] <veek> somiaj, ah yep, it's for a usb stick
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619 [04:48:06] <veek> somiaj, usb rescue so
620 [04:48:07] <somiaj> veek: use a live system over installing on the usb stick
621 [04:48:24] <somiaj> debian live systems aren't the best, but you can try to make it presistant
622 [04:48:31] <veek> somiaj, nope i want my WM etc
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625 [04:49:15] <somiaj> persistant live images can do that, debian also has tools to build a custom live image, but what you want is a live image. I don't know of any easy way to get what you want via an install. It may be possible but will require some to lots of work.
626 [04:49:29] <veek> somiaj, can it be done though? i tried something like: tmpfs /var/log tmpfs defaults,noatime,nosuid,nodev,noexec,mode=1777,size=100M 0 0
627 [04:49:30] <lhunath> !bdo
628 [04:49:31] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
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630 [04:49:55] <veek> but systemd starts spitting out errors (i suspect because it's empty)
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637 [04:51:26] <somiaj> veek: unsure there, a persistant live image may be a better choice. If you really wanted to dive into it, you could check out live-build and try to build a custom live image.
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640 [04:52:38] <veek> somiaj, the thing is i'm so close, the darn thing boots into X with wm and everything and then hangs..
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642 [04:53:05] <veek> i just installed onto usb and messed with fstab
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645 [04:53:48] <somiaj> well I'm unsure what sort of things you have to do to make /var/log tmpfs, also usb i/o can be slow, live images are better for what you want.
646 [04:53:48] <missmbob> somiaj: have you ever managed? i've read myths
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648 [04:54:09] <missmbob> somiaj: i tried quite a bit
649 [04:54:17] <somiaj> missmbob: It is on my todo list, but never tried. I think you first just want to follow the old docs if you can find them and build one of the predefined images first.
650 [04:54:54] <missmbob> i tried a bit. i dont think it's real :P
651 [04:54:56] <somiaj> though the docs are a bit outdated and you have to update for the git for them.
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654 [04:55:35] <somiaj> missmbob: well my understanding is live-build is what is building the current live images, so someone knows how to make it work.
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656 [04:56:19] <somiaj> missmbob: if you see SynrG, ask them, he is part of the live team afiak.
657 [04:56:31] <missmbob> somiaj: ah thanks
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660 [04:58:28] <somiaj> veek: there are some docs out there for making the jessie live images persistant, and some of them have some sucess (requres using syslinux). One can install/remove packages and have a custom $HOME doing this, so you run a live enviorment off of the usb as opposed to the install. This is the way I think more people are sucessful at getting a custom live image in debian
661 [04:58:56] <somiaj> missmbob: maybe one of these years there will be some more interest in getting a better debian live system, I keep hoping, but alas I don't see it happening in the near future.
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666 [05:01:57] <veek> somiaj, i don't need persistence.. rather i want to copy a fixed set of cfg files into /var/log at mount time so apps don't complain about missing files
667 [05:02:43] <veek> basically i was able to use loop losetup to mount on top of the tmpfs :p but it hung when X ran
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669 [05:03:12] <veek> also it had to be done manually
670 [05:03:21] <tw> you probably want to union under the tmpfs
671 [05:03:24] <theduck> I'm having problems getting an init script to start. If I do `/etc/init.d/odoo-posbox start`, it says "[ ok ] Starting odoo-posbox (via systemctl): odoo-posbox.service.", however it does not start, and nothing appears in the logs. Here is my script replaced-url
672 [05:03:45] <tw> or just touch a whole bunch of files on the tmpfs.
673 [05:03:47] <veek> tw ah yeah! i've been hearing about union.. hmm okay let me read thanks
674 [05:03:57] <somiaj> theduck: you should use systemctl with systemd, and in this case look at 'systemctl status odoo-postbox.service'
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676 [05:04:39] <theduck> somiaj, "Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory)"
677 [05:04:54] <theduck> somiaj, What file or directory is that referring to?
678 [05:05:05] <somiaj> theduck: where did you get this script? Anyreason y ou can't write a proper service file for it?
679 [05:05:19] <theduck> somiaj, you had a typo. It's posbox, not postbox.
680 [05:05:58] <theduck> somiaj, I copied it from replaced-url
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683 [05:06:26] <somiaj> theduck: sorry, did you get logs about what is happening. systemctl doesn't work like sysv, it runs in parallel, so all starting a service does is tell systemd to do it in the background as a parallel request. So things will always exit nicely and look like the run, use systemctl status service to get the output of any errors from the script.
684 [05:07:01] <theduck> somiaj, no errors, just "Feb 10 21:58:39 moonglow systemd[1]: Started LSB: Start odoo daemon at boot time."
685 [05:07:41] <somiaj> theduck: maybe the script isn't doing what it needs to do. Hard to support third party software. What I would do is figure out how to run it manually and write a custom .service file as opposed to useing a sysv script.
686 [05:07:49] <somiaj> theduck: service files aren't that complicated, which makes this nice
687 [05:08:18] <theduck> somiaj, Not sure what I changed, but I restarted it and it's running now...
688 [05:08:33] <dubwoc> what is the old school linux side scroller with chain saws and aligns and network play?
689 [05:08:38] <dubwoc> xdie or something
690 [05:09:07] <theduck> somiaj, or at least, I get internal server error instead of unable to connect. Which is a step in the right direction.
691 [05:09:14] <somiaj> theduck: it could be the software just is bad reporting errors..but I don't know the software so just grapshing at starws.
692 [05:11:13] <theduck> somiaj, It's python scripts, so basically everything produces a traceback. But the logs were completely empty. I have something there now, so I'll see what I'm doing wrong. Thanks for the help.
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698 [05:16:58] <dubwoc> ahh man no one knowws
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707 [05:21:52] <dubwoc> xevil
708 [05:21:54] <dubwoc> righteous
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714 [05:25:51] <transhuman_> hi if I have a config that use upstream_phpapache.conf.. I am wondering the server 127.0.0.1:8080; corresponds to a setting in another file.. what file would this be on Debian/Ubuntu? for apache/php?
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716 [05:26:38] <somiaj> transhuman_: debian and ubuntu might be different, but look at the apache config dir, there is sites-enabled that has links to various virtual domain configs
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719 [05:27:21] <transhuman_> oh its in the virtual domains configuration ok....then this is all I need I have set it up on a previous install I will just look...thanks
720 [05:27:28] <transhuman_> I knew I had seen it before
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735 [05:34:14] <gferencz> I did a simple backport I think would be useful to the community, so I'm making an attempt at my first formal backport. I used sbuild per the wiki instructions. It succeeded in building, but lintian failed (I see 'Failed to execute "lintian"' in the build log). Any ideas where I may have gone wrong?
736 [05:34:49] <missmbob> gferencz: go to #debian-mentors on oftc
737 [05:35:17] <gferencz> missmbob, OK. Thanks!
738 [05:35:19] <somiaj> gferencz: there are also some instructions about creating backports at backports.debian.org, there is extra work if you are not the matainer.
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740 [05:35:36] <hackspirit0> Hello
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742 [05:36:06] <hackspirit0> I ve tried installing debian on bootable usb
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745 [05:36:30] <hackspirit0> But it is stuck at creating / partition
746 [05:36:34] <hackspirit0> Any help
747 [05:37:18] <hackspirit0> Debian usb boot stuck at creating /
748 [05:37:43] <hackspirit0> Anyone There
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762 [05:43:11] <veek> how do you disable clearing of the screen at boot up - to see all the errors (i've disabled quiet in /etc/default/grub
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768 [05:44:09] <jamse> hi, i can't figure out how to install wifi drivers for lenovo ideapad 100s
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770 [05:44:20] <jamse> i need them to install the installation
771 [05:44:31] <jamse> i have no ethernet on my laptop
772 [05:44:36] <missmbob> !firmware iso
773 [05:44:37] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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775 [05:45:22] <jamse> ???????????????????????????????
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795 [05:52:52] <hackspirit0> Hello, while installing debian on bootable usb, the boot is stuck at 'creating /' what to do?
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797 [05:54:06] <hackspirit0> I waited like 15 min and it does not prooceeds
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799 [05:55:06] <hackspirit0> Any idea?
800 [05:55:25] <lhunath> I'm not sure I understand what is happening here: replaced-url
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802 [05:56:28] <centrx> lhunath: Read the solution again
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804 [05:56:51] <lhunath> Is it suggesting to "not install" the dependencies?
805 [05:56:56] <centrx> yes
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807 [05:57:35] <lhunath> I figured that since it is past tense "not installed", it was a status (package is currently not installed) as opposed to a strategy.
808 [05:57:54] <centrx> "Keep the following packages at their current version:"
809 [05:57:58] <hackspirit0> I m not sure ive used the cd 1 of kde
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811 [05:58:01] <lhunath> Hmm.
812 [05:58:20] <lhunath> Okay. So. Is there a way to figure out why it is unable to upgrade linux-base?
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814 [05:59:07] <lhunath> Ah, if I hit "n" it suggests upgrading linux-base.
815 [05:59:08] <centrx> lhunath: Seems like it might need the linux-base from backports, the backport package is depending on a version that must not be in the regular archive
816 [05:59:21] <hackspirit0> :(
817 [05:59:25] <centrx> lhunath: That seems like the solution
818 [05:59:45] <lhunath> Yes, cheers.
819 [05:59:47] <centrx> hackspirit0: Hard to say
820 [06:00:19] <hackspirit0> Is it like its going to take long time n i just waited for 15 mins
821 [06:00:20] <centrx> hackspirit0: problem with the usb key or the image? problem with the hard drive on the destination machine? problem with the RAM?
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823 [06:00:36] <centrx> hackspirit0: It sounds like it's stuck/bug
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825 [06:00:47] <hackspirit0> I am trying to use usb live bootable debian
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827 [06:00:50] <crzyp3ck> hello people
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829 [06:01:09] <crzyp3ck> I need to nstall dooble but I can't find a deb package for it
830 [06:01:19] <crzyp3ck> Could someone help me?
831 [06:01:20] <hackspirit0> Like i have done for kali Ubuntu mint
832 [06:01:46] <bazhang> what is dooble
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835 [06:02:29] <centrx> crzyp3ck: Looks like best option is to download it and compile
836 [06:02:30] <hackspirit0> While installing the debian live on usb the whole process is stuck on creating /
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838 [06:02:34] <crzyp3ck> bazhang: a nice web browser.replaced-url
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840 [06:02:37] <centrx> hackspirit0: Are there any other messages?
841 [06:03:05] <bazhang> do they have a debain version?
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843 [06:03:31] <hackspirit0> No, the blue screen just stops on 33% creating / partition on usb
844 [06:03:33] <crzyp3ck> centrx: it is a very messy business. it needs gtmake V5
845 [06:03:34] <bazhang> ,v dooble
846 [06:03:35] <judd> No package named 'dooble' was found in amd64.
847 [06:04:03] <crzyp3ck> bazhang: search launchpad. there is one there
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849 [06:05:04] <hackspirit0> ??
850 [06:05:06] <centrx> hackspirit0: Try running memtest to find if there is a problem with your RAM?
851 [06:05:16] <centrx> hackspirit0: Do you see an option for that when booting?
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853 [06:05:50] <hackspirit0> I dont think there is problem with ram as i hve tried Ubuntu usb
854 [06:06:47] <hackspirit0> I m not sure if there is memstat option on screen
855 [06:06:54] <hackspirit0> I hope i am clear here
856 [06:07:03] <centrx> hackspirit0: Is this the first time you've tried install from this usb? Try just restartinga nd try again?
857 [06:07:17] <hackspirit0> What i am doing is installing the live debian on usb
858 [06:07:34] <hackspirit0> Ok i will try it out again
859 [06:08:24] <hackspirit0> No i have tried ubuntu, kali, mint all using univeral usb installer
860 [06:08:34] <hackspirit0> All worked pretty well
861 [06:09:09] <hackspirit0> Except debian for which i used win32diskimager
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873 [06:19:14] <missmbob> installing via the live installer is a pretty bad idea. that method is known to be rather buggy. use the real installer
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920 [07:22:10] <talkJS> When it comes to dkim with exim, is it just a matter of setting a config value inside exam?
921 [07:22:17] <talkJS> s/exam/exim/
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944 [07:40:10] <duckx0r> I'm having trouble getting some udev rules to match. Here are my rules and an example device: replaced-url
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968 [08:04:17] <missmbob> !pastebin.com
969 [08:04:17] <dpkg> pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like replaced-url
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975 [08:11:43] <greenorange> Hi, how can I force gnome network manager to only use a vpn. I seems to disconnect every now and again without me noticing. I want to disallow non-vpn all packets
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991 [08:24:57] <epsilon> greenorange: how about iptables? only allow bulk traffic via tun/tap, everything else only to the vpn server
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996 [08:30:46] <thvle> hello, when I installing debian from netinst I get not kernel found error. Why ?
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998 [08:31:24] <missmbob> how did you copy the installer?
999 [08:31:43] <thvle> the iso ?
1000 [08:31:55] <missmbob> yes
1001 [08:32:04] <thvle> unetbootin
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1003 [08:32:08] <missmbob> figures
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1005 [08:32:12] <missmbob> !unetbootin
1006 [08:32:13] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
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1008 [08:32:37] <thvle> !usb-install
1009 [08:32:37] <dpkg> You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see replaced-url
1010 [08:33:05] <thvle> thanks missmbob
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1024 [08:49:51] <epsilon> thvle: the easiest way to create usb boot media is to dd the is to the stick in linux. if you have no linux yet, use deban-live, then dd if=(netinstall).iso of=/dev/sd(letter of the usb drive)
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1026 [08:52:03] <thvle> epsilon ty
1027 [08:53:12] <thvle> By the way, to install Xorg minimally what I should install?
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1031 [08:55:59] <missmbob> xserver-xorg-core
1032 [08:56:43] <missmbob> i'd just do xserver-xorg
1033 [08:57:06] <thvle> and is needed anymore for a X with nvidia drivers?
1034 [08:57:17] <missmbob> yes
1035 [08:57:32] <missmbob> !nvidia
1036 [08:57:32] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see replaced-url
1037 [08:58:10] <thvle> of course, the nvidia driver, but... respect X, with xserver-xorg works?
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1039 [08:58:20] <missmbob> yes
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1041 [08:58:37] <thvle> Should I install with --no-install-recommends?
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1043 [08:58:59] <missmbob> see what they are and decide if you want them
1044 [08:59:06] <thvle> okay
1045 [08:59:37] <thvle> I need disable nouveau before or after the install nvidia propietary?
1046 [08:59:52] <missmbob> you can do it after you apt-get
1047 [09:00:05] <thvle> okay ty
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1050 [09:01:40] <thvle> missmbob: in replaced-url
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1052 [09:02:05] <missmbob> thvle: you blacklist the module
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1059 [09:06:59] <thvle> missmbob: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nouveau.conf ?
1060 [09:07:08] <missmbob> thvle: yes
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1063 [09:08:35] <thvle> I'm looking at google, but I find several different files ... I do not know which one is correct. missmbob
1064 [09:08:59] <missmbob> thvle: it doesnt matter. the file can be called anything you like
1065 [09:09:21] <missmbob> thvle: all files in that dir get read
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1067 [09:09:52] <thvle> aah okay perfect
1068 [09:09:53] <thvle> :)
1069 [09:10:25] <missmbob> thvle: i've gotta pass out. i'm bet others will help. good luck
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1071 [09:10:52] <thvle> thanks. regards!
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1084 [09:23:57] <dale> Does anybody know how ssh-agent gets kicked off under gnome-session, i.e., which configuration file causes this to happen?
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1090 [09:26:42] <dale> ?
1091 [09:27:03] <dale> Anybody?
1092 [09:27:04] <missmbob> !wait
1093 [09:27:05] <dpkg> If no-one has answered your question to your satisfaction, please wait 10 minutes before asking again. Please don't whine about your problem, about the channel, about Debian, Linux, or anything else. Just wait 10 minutes and then ask again. Ask me about <repeat> and <ask>.
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1145 [10:23:05] <ElDiabolo> Any hints on what to do about ununblankable screen blanking. After some time of not using it my laptop screen blanks and I need to use Alt+Print+K to end that.
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1158 [10:32:55] <puzzlingWeirdo> i've been given a 32bit debian package but i'm having issues running it. dpkg archtechtures supported are i386 and amd64.
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1160 [10:33:33] <puzzlingWeirdo> it says "no such file or directory found" when running the executable
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1163 [10:34:16] <puzzlingWeirdo> i thought the binaries were statically linked - but is there a way to check for dependencies?
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1167 [10:38:11] <ElDiabolo> puzzlingWeirdo, You can use ldd <inary> to list the dynamically linked libs.
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1171 [10:40:48] <puzzlingWeirdo> ElDiabolo: they are not dynamically linked
1172 [10:41:31] <puzzlingWeirdo> however, one binary that is dynamically linked, and is x86_64 is running no problem
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1174 [10:42:55] <ElDiabolo> puzzlingWeirdo, You are sure about that?
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1176 [10:43:50] <ElDiabolo> puzzlingWeirdo, use strace, maybe the binary is missing a configuration file.
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1178 [10:45:41] <ElDiabolo> puzzlingWeirdo, What does file say about said binary?
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1188 [10:48:51] <puzzlingWeirdo> ElDiabolo: strace: replaced-url
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1190 [10:49:26] <puzzlingWeirdo> ElDiabolo: "aiStarter: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, BuildID[sha1]=0b7ec69824a1ff621c8e697a32d12f1cf42274c6, not stripped"
1191 [10:50:07] <puzzlingWeirdo> "dynamically linked" but ldd shows "not a dynamic executable" are they they same thing?
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1194 [10:52:01] <ElDiabolo> puzzlingWeirdo, Yes.
1195 [10:52:04] <MrAndu> Hey, been away from debian from a long time, trying out stretch here and testing some stuff. Can't seem to find amavisd-new package for it...
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1198 [10:52:59] <puzzlingWeirdo> ElDiabolo: what do you think the issue could be?
1199 [10:53:10] <puzzlingWeirdo> think it's a multi-arch thing?
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1201 [10:55:45] <ElDiabolo> puzzlingWeirdo, Just looking at the strace output trying to understand it.
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1204 [10:57:48] <ElDiabolo> It looks like aiStarter is trying to start itself, but can't find itself.
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1209 [10:58:38] <ElDiabolo> What does ./aiStarter -h say?
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1211 [11:00:00] <puzzlingWeirdo> ElDiabolo: "no such file or directory"
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1214 [11:02:41] <puzzlingWeirdo> weird..
1215 [11:03:26] <sIRwa2> Hi, after installing with apt-get, i now get this msg: insserv: script subsonic4.2: service subsonic already provided!
1216 [11:03:28] <ElDiabolo> puzzlingWeirdo, replaced-url
1217 [11:03:52] <sIRwa2> but i cant find a script named like that :/
1218 [11:04:06] <ElDiabolo> An empty executable also does a execve.
1219 [11:04:10] <sIRwa2> any hint where to look?
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1221 [11:04:41] <sIRwa2> sry to talk tru the conversation
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1223 [11:05:42] <puzzlingWeirdo> ElDiabolo: well it'sdefinately an elf binary, perhaps my system isn't running 32bit executables?
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1225 [11:06:40] <ElDiabolo> puzzlingWeirdo, You did switch to multiarch, did you?
1226 [11:06:56] <puzzlingWeirdo> ElDiabolo: via dpkg?
1227 [11:07:08] <puzzlingWeirdo> how do i check?
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1229 [11:08:06] <ElDiabolo> sIRwa2, Don't be sorry, this is chat. Unfortunately I have no helpful idea. Ask google for insserv, thats what I would do.
1230 [11:08:43] <puzzlingWeirdo> ElDiabolo: do you mean dpkg --add-architecture i386?
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1233 [11:09:26] <ElDiabolo> puzzlingWeirdo, Have a look at replaced-url
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1235 [11:10:11] <ElDiabolo> puzzlingWeirdo, You are running at least wheezy, are you.
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1237 [11:10:58] <sIRwa2> oke, tnx ElDiabolo :)
1238 [11:12:26] <puzzlingWeirdo> ElDiabolo: im running jessie
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1240 [11:12:50] <ElDiabolo> puzzlingWeirdo, Has multiarch.
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1246 [11:18:40] <puzzlingWeirdo> oh well
1247 [11:18:47] <puzzlingWeirdo> i guess I'm on my own then
1248 [11:18:55] <puzzlingWeirdo> replaced-url
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1251 [11:19:45] <puzzlingWeirdo> ElDiabolo: replaced-url
1252 [11:20:01] <ElDiabolo> The train reaches the mountains, the connection gets shaky.
1253 [11:20:36] <puzzlingWeirdo> ahh, germany has beautiful scenery though
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1256 [11:21:40] <ElDiabolo> puzzlingWeirdo, Only the eifel south of cologne :)
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1258 [11:22:31] <puzzlingWeirdo> so dpkg --print-architectures shows only amd64
1259 [11:22:51] <puzzlingWeirdo> but /var/lib/dpkg/arch shows i386 and amd64
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1263 [11:25:32] <ElDiabolo> puzzlingWeirdo, To me it looks like you switche on multiarch but are missing the basic infrastructure. However I have no idea what to do about that. Maybe install an i386 package (where you do not have the amd64) for testing.
1264 [11:26:19] <puzzlingWeirdo> 1 sec
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1267 [11:28:11] <puzzlingWeirdo> ElDiabolo: looks like it's pulling in a ton of i686 libs
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1270 [11:29:52] <puzzlingWeirdo> ElDiabolo: that looks to have done it. i saw it pull in libc6
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1272 [11:30:30] <puzzlingWeirdo> isn't there a way to get the dependency tree - like revdep-rebuild on gentoo?
1273 [11:31:03] <ElDiabolo> puzzlingWeirdo, This will most likely help you. I think you were missing the infrastructure for executing i386 binaries.
1274 [11:31:03] <ElDiabolo> Ten minutes to go 'til destination.
1275 [11:31:56] <ElDiabolo> puzzlingWeirdo, Don't know.
1276 [11:32:14] <puzzlingWeirdo> thanks for your help ElDiabolo, where are yougoing today?
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1279 [11:32:58] <ElDiabolo> Working on my retirement house.
1280 [11:33:34] <puzzlingWeirdo> ElDiabolo: oh? Sounds nice. lucky you i guess
1281 [11:34:13] <ElDiabolo> Also means I am getting old :)
1282 [11:34:27] <ElDiabolo> But lucky me, yes.
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1288 [11:36:53] <ElDiabolo> Bye.
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1292 [11:38:29] <noqnio1> Good morning !
1293 [11:38:44] <noqnio1> Any cheap tabled that works well with debian?
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1295 [11:39:01] <noqnio1> It is of my understanding that x86 are preferred over arm
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1303 [11:42:09] <Hanonim> is using iptables that more useful/interesting than a simpler frontend such as ufw ?
1304 [11:42:20] <Hanonim> for filtering capabilities
1305 [11:42:35] <noqnio1> no you just lack the geekcred with a gui
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1313 [11:46:18] <Hanonim> *ufw from the terminal
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1316 [11:47:07] <epsilon> if ufw is offering you everything you need, just stick with it, nothing wrong with it
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1319 [11:48:14] <Hanonim> epsilon: well, i'm learning about security so i'm wondering if by using ufw instead of iptables i leave out somehting important
1320 [11:48:33] <rly> Hanonim: that's not really how it works.
1321 [11:48:51] <epsilon> if you are learning and working with shell anyway, go ahead with iptables, there is such big difference
1322 [11:49:09] <epsilon> *no such big difference
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1325 [11:50:00] <rly> Speaking of iptables. Is there anyone who built an API where iptables is just a backend?
1326 [11:50:18] <Hanonim> rly: what do you mean, it's not really how it works ?
1327 [11:50:47] <rly> Hanonim: you should first learn about the concepts and then you can apply those in specific tools.
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1333 [11:51:19] <rly> Hanonim: for example, I never use iptables in my daily work anymore (and that's like that for a few years now).
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1335 [11:51:53] <rly> Hanonim: as such, if the intention is that you want to convert your skills into money at some point, this would likely be a bad strategy.
1336 [11:52:41] <rly> Hanonim: and, if you really cared about security, you would analyze the implementation, not the interface, I suppose.
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1339 [11:55:17] <Hanonim> yes
1340 [11:55:21] <Hanonim> one thing at a time
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1347 [11:57:10] <Teststst> Where can I see what packages the .iso dvd images contains?
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1352 [11:57:44] <puzzlingWeirdo> Hanonim: UFW or firewalld if you just want a firewall. learn iptables if you want to learn security - you will inevitably have to learn networking - specifically tcpip
1353 [11:58:07] <puzzlingWeirdo> Teststst: mount it
1354 [11:58:48] <mate_> Can someone please point to a stable package allowing to pass traffic from selected applications via socks5 proxy ? I've installed Dante on my VPS for the socks5 server.
1355 [11:58:50] <puzzlingWeirdo> Teststst: mount -t iso9660 /iso /dir
1356 [11:59:07] <Teststst> puzzlingWeirdo: Without downloading?
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1358 [11:59:22] <puzzlingWeirdo> you have to dowload it..
1359 [11:59:23] <Teststst> Thought there was some webpage for this but can't find it
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1361 [11:59:47] <Teststst> ok
1362 [11:59:51] <puzzlingWeirdo> what do you mean? check the contents of an iso cross-domain?
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1366 [12:01:01] <puzzlingWeirdo> mate_: what do you mean? force connections through a socks proxy?
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1370 [12:03:36] <Hanonim> puzzlingWeirdo: thanks
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1374 [12:07:38] <Teststst> puzzlingWeirdo: Ok I downloaded the dvd isos. What do I write in sources files so I can use them from synaptic?
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1386 [12:12:55] <puzzlingWeirdo> Teststst: what are you trying to do?
1387 [12:14:01] <Teststst> puzzlingWeirdo: I wish to install gnome boxes from dvd iso (if it is avaliable on any of the dvd images)
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1396 [12:16:35] <veek> anyone try configuring xterm-colors? i'm trying to match ansi with xterm's 255 colors but i find that invariably some colors blend in - the best i could do was 878787 (i printed them all out and painfully scanned the swatches) is there a better way? do you need all the ansi colors to display?
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1399 [12:17:24] <puzzlingWeirdo> why are you trying to install it from the dvd?
1400 [12:18:41] <Pr0metheus> I have setup a chrooted sftp server in order to be able to upload in /var/replaced-url
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1408 [12:19:39] <puzzlingWeirdo> Pr0metheus: log into the ftp server as a user who has write priveleges?
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1413 [12:20:13] <puzzlingWeirdo> Teststst: see above
1414 [12:20:28] <Pr0metheus> puzzlingWeirdo yes
1415 [12:20:42] <xand> Pr0metheus: the replaced-url
1416 [12:20:55] <xand> Pr0metheus: create a group, give it write access, add your sftp user to the group
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1419 [12:21:30] <xand> or if only that user will update things in there, change its owner
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1421 [12:21:51] <Pr0metheus> xand if I change the owner won't I mess with apache?
1422 [12:22:10] <xand> the owner should be root by default...
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1424 [12:22:26] <xand> and no
1425 [12:22:58] <Pr0metheus> xand ok let me take a look
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1427 [12:23:08] <Teststst> puzzlingWeirdo: I won't have any internet connection so I need to download it directly from the dvd
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1430 [12:25:26] <puzzlingWeirdo> Teststst: then run a search in the directory where the dvd is mounted: find /mnt/iso -name gnome-boxes*.deb
1431 [12:26:04] <puzzlingWeirdo> Teststst: you know you can download the package with apt, and put it onto a usb stick
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1436 [12:29:02] <Teststst> puzzlingWeirdo: ye got it now, thanks.
1437 [12:29:34] <puzzlingWeirdo> Teststst: replaced-url
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1439 [12:29:58] <puzzlingWeirdo> you will probably also need to install dependencies - they don't run by themselves
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1441 [12:31:27] <Teststst> puzzlingWeirdo: They should be on the same dvd iso I think, atleast on one of them?
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1443 [12:33:39] <puzzlingWeirdo> all of them yes, but i think the extensions mentioned in the link will archive all the dependencies for you
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1445 [12:34:32] <Teststst> puzzlingWeird: Isn't there a chanse for man in middle attack when you download this way?
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1448 [12:36:09] <puzzlingWeirdo> if they're downloaded via apt then they will be from the official repositories
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1450 [12:36:15] <puzzlingWeirdo> so they will be signed
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1452 [12:36:26] <puzzlingWeirdo> you can check the signatures
1453 [12:36:34] <puzzlingWeirdo> not sure how though
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1455 [12:37:47] <Teststst> puzzlingWeirdo: To be 100% sure think installing from dvd is most safest.
1456 [12:38:42] <Teststst> Teststst: anyway, I'm on cinnamon de now and I don't have this app "disks" that is in gnome enviroment. Do you know what this is called in synaptic so I can download it? Tried "disks" but can't find it.
1457 [12:38:53] <Teststst> Teststst: I need it to formate my usb stick
1458 [12:39:20] <towo`> there is no need for a special app
1459 [12:39:30] <towo`> use mkfs in terminal
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1461 [12:39:52] <puzzlingWeirdo> ^
1462 [12:40:00] <Teststst> thank you =D
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1464 [12:40:17] <puzzlingWeirdo> it will be part of the DE Teststst
1465 [12:40:41] <puzzlingWeirdo> "disks" - what does it do? can't it be done via the terminal?
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1469 [12:42:28] <towo`> tha mackage is gnome-disk-utility
1470 [12:42:32] <towo`> grr
1471 [12:42:40] <towo`> the package
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1479 [12:45:23] <puzzlingWeirdo> is there anyway to perform a reverse dependency check on a standalone debian package?
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1506 [12:59:48] <klys> puzzlingweirdo, apt-cache showpkg package; or if it is not installed, mkdir x; cd x; ar x ../package.deb; tar zxpvf control.tar.gz; less control; rm *; cd ..; rmdir x;
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1510 [13:03:42] <towo`> apt-cache rdepends package
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1512 [13:04:06] <towo`> no need to download and unpack anything
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1561 [13:29:44] <john_rambo> My tab is in droidboot right now and connected via usb .... Can someone guide me about how to flash it?
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1563 [13:30:08] <towo`> wrong channel?
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1585 [13:46:01] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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1594 [13:50:06] <spinza> quick question. the live cd works fine on my system, but when i run install it bugs out at the network detection
1595 [13:50:25] <spinza> when i run install from a normal netinst it works fine though
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1597 [13:50:46] <spinza> this was with both free and nonfree
1598 [13:50:55] <ph88> hi guys, i installed a deb from replaced-url
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1601 [13:52:56] <towo`> ph88, then edit the crappy postrm-file
1602 [13:53:24] <ph88> towo`, what's the postrm-file ?
1603 [13:53:30] <towo`> ph88, and that's why no one suggest clueless install from $random downloaded package
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1605 [13:54:14] <ph88> ya problem was that there wasn't an official package and it's a self-bootstrapping compiler .. but now i compiled a new version with the crappy package and i intend to make a good working package out of it
1606 [13:54:33] <towo`> ph88, /var/lib/dpkg/info/mercury.postrm
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1610 [13:55:18] <ompaul> does this warrant !dontbreakdebian?
1611 [13:55:28] <ompaul> !dontbreakdebian
1612 [13:55:28] <dpkg> hmm... dont break debian is replaced-url
1613 [13:55:43] <ph88> towo`, what's bad about this file? replaced-url
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1617 [13:56:15] <towo`> ph88, kidding? ask the maintainer of that package
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1619 [13:56:27] <ph88> maintainers are not available ..
1620 [13:56:33] <ph88> i just want to get rid of the package now
1621 [13:56:48] <BluesKaj> yeah. I found the graphical installer got the screen messed up and became unreadable if the mouse was used , the regular install worked great
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1623 [13:56:50] <ompaul> ph88: read the don't break debian page linked to
1624 [13:56:50] <towo`> then add exit 0 in line 3
1625 [13:56:58] <ph88> ok
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1627 [13:58:04] <ph88> thanks very much towo` :D :D
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1630 [13:59:45] <ph88> i follow this guide to make a new package replaced-url
1631 [14:00:07] <ph88> are there any good software i can use to help with making a good package ?
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1637 [14:03:11] <ph88> towo`, i searched my system for all remaining files after the uninstall there is still /var/lib/dpkg/info mercury.postrm and mercury.list should i remove them ?
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1641 [14:06:09] <newcoder> Is it possible get kernel 4.9 in debian jessie?
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1644 [14:07:30] <TomTomTosch> ,kernels
1645 [14:07:31] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3); stretch: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.9.2-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-1)
1646 [14:07:38] <TomTomTosch> newcoder: replaced-url
1647 [14:08:02] <ph88> i will try debreate to create a new package, is that good software ?
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1649 [14:08:22] <ompaul> newcoder: do you need a new kernel?
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1656 [14:09:43] <newcoder> ompaul: I want to use kernel 4.9
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1659 [14:09:58] <newcoder> Any problem if I use jessie-backports?
1660 [14:10:06] <towo`> no
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1664 [14:11:47] <newcoder> p linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae - Linux 4.9 for modern PCs (signed)
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1666 [14:11:53] <newcoder> What is .bpo?
1667 [14:12:17] <ompaul> would it be back port ...
1668 [14:12:25] <towo`> bacports.org
1669 [14:12:31] <ompaul> there is no reason to run it unless you have dependencies for it
1670 [14:12:54] <ompaul> the kernels get security patches as they arrive
1671 [14:13:15] <klys> towo` is that a typo
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1676 [14:13:57] <towo`> it is
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1678 [14:14:00] <klys> k
1679 [14:14:22] <newcoder> aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae , any problem with this command?
1680 [14:14:45] <towo`> only if you have 3rd party kernel modules in use
1681 [14:15:08] <newcoder> I have this: p linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae - Linux 4.9 for modern PCs (signed)
1682 [14:15:22] <newcoder> I have this: 3.16.0-4-686-pae now, nothing else
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1687 [14:16:40] <newcoder> Is there any risk using linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae ?
1688 [14:16:45] <newcoder> in debian jessie
1689 [14:16:49] <newcoder> Will the system break?
1690 [14:17:07] <nkuttler> you tell us
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1692 [14:18:28] <newcoder> I don't know. Just installed it.
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1696 [14:21:01] <newcoder> Has anyone used linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae?
1697 [14:21:07] <newcoder> Does anyone use linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae?
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1700 [14:22:02] <TomTomTosch> grub lets you switch back to the old kernel if things don't work.
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1702 [14:22:26] <newcoder> grub added new entry for linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae
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1705 [14:22:30] <klys> i'm using a custom compile of linux-4.9.8 and the only flaw I have encountered is that I cannot access my SATA disk
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1707 [14:23:00] <newcoder> klys: May be you didn't compile any drivers for SATA disk
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1709 [14:23:24] <newcoder> klys: SATA hard disk drivers are available in kernel
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1711 [14:23:41] <klys> well I sort of can access it, just that I can't mount the partitions nor mkfs any partitions. it will still work with fdisk/gdisk.
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1714 [14:24:26] <newcoder> klys: ntfs-3g to mount ntfs partitions? Does gparted work?
1715 [14:24:44] <klys> ntfs and ntfs-3g don't work, gparted does work
1716 [14:25:14] <newcoder> klys: Is ntfs , fuse compiled from kernel source?
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1718 [14:25:26] <klys> ntfs and fuse are part of the kernel, yes
1719 [14:25:29] <newcoder> Is the package for mkfs installed?
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1723 [14:25:54] <klys> newcoder, I ran mkdosfs on /dev/sda1 and it came back with an error stating it could not access the disk
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1736 [14:31:11] <newcoder> Booted with 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae , didn't see any problem.
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1738 [14:31:41] <newcoder> If I do aptitude update;aptitude dist-upgrade; will it install packages from jessie-backports now?
1739 [14:31:50] <towo`> no
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1741 [14:32:26] <newcoder> Why not? jessie-backports is in sources.list
1742 [14:32:32] <towo`> and?
1743 [14:32:49] <towo`> jessie-backports has a lower pinning by default
1744 [14:33:07] <newcoder> What is lower pinning?
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1746 [14:33:16] <towo`> read the apt docu
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1748 [14:33:40] <newcoder> ,jessie-backports
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1750 [14:34:05] <newcoder> Which doc?
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1753 [14:35:00] <TomTomTosch> man apt_preferences for example.
1754 [14:35:01] <towo`> what's your problem?
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1757 [14:35:31] <towo`> if you want all packages from backports, specigfy it
1758 [14:35:39] <newcoder> All backports are deactivated by default (i.e. the packages are pinned to 100 by using ButAutomaticUpgrades: yes in the Release files. If you want to install something from backports run:
1759 [14:35:40] <towo`> *specify
1760 [14:35:56] <newcoder> aptitude -t jessie-backports install "package"
1761 [14:36:20] <towo`> you could even run apt dist-upgrade -t jessie-backports
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1764 [14:37:19] <newcoder> No, I don't need jessie-backports now, I needed it to install kernel4.9, I'm going to remove jessie-backports from sources.list now.
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1768 [14:37:57] <towo`> newcoder, what you say does not make many sense
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1770 [14:38:21] <towo`> there is no need for removing the backports-repo
1771 [14:38:56] <towo`> and if you want updates for your backports-kernel, you should really let backports in your surces
1772 [14:39:17] <newcoder> What other packages should I install from backports?
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1779 [14:42:46] <towo`> newcoder, why should anyone here know that?
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1782 [14:46:20] <LostSoul> Hi
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1784 [14:46:27] <LostSoul> I wanted to ask how to connect nginx as rev proxy + apache with php
1785 [14:46:29] <LostSoul> Am I right that libapache2-mod-php5 is not a way to do this when I use ngix as rev proxy?
1786 [14:46:32] <LostSoul> Do I need to use php-fpm in apache?
1787 [14:47:12] <klys> what's a rev proxy? apache2 is a different web server from nginx.
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1795 [14:51:14] <nkuttler> LostSoul: it's irrelevant what runs in front of apache
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1812 [14:57:08] <ph88> when creating a deb package .. what's a good directory to put documentation (pdf files) ??
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1815 [14:58:46] <LostSoul> nkuttler: I don't know why my php is not working with apache2
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1843 [15:05:57] <LostSoul> Without nginx it works, when I tried to setup nginx as proxy for apache .. php stopped to working
1844 [15:06:00] <LostSoul> I have no idea how to debug it
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1848 [15:06:17] <adriano44> Hi , i have a 403 forbidenn error on my website anyone know apache here an can PM me ?
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1851 [15:06:21] <anddam> hello
1852 [15:06:39] <ompaul> LostSoul: are they on the same computer?
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1859 [15:08:00] <ompaul> klys: kind of a misleading term - basically it is a buffer in front of the main server - generally used for filtering the incoming connections to specific urls.
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1863 [15:09:18] <ompaul> klys: the front server faces the internet, it also has knowledge of what the back end web server is, by where it is, port and the like, I used it at one point put sslcerts with lots of filtering on the front side and hid a very insecure server behind it.
1864 [15:10:13] <ompaul> LostSoul: I asked you, are they both on the same machine?
1865 [15:10:22] <klys> thx ompaul
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1867 [15:10:48] <AlexLikeRock> adriano44, 403 , possible its error at permissions at folder to write
1868 [15:10:54] <AlexLikeRock> must be a 755
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1870 [15:11:40] <mickael_> Hello, is there a way to make debian to not automatically enable services on install ? All I could find was about disabling unwanted services using systemctl or the good 'ol update-rc, but nothing about making that the default behavior
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1872 [15:12:02] <ompaul> mickael_: not really.
1873 [15:12:22] <ompaul> mickael_: debian philosophy is, you installed it by choice, you must want it.
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1875 [15:13:01] <nkuttler> mickael_: which probem are you trying to solve?
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1877 [15:13:05] <mickael_> I understand
1878 [15:13:24] <mickael_> nkuttler: i'd like the services not to be run automatically with default config
1879 [15:13:25] <adriano44> @AlexLikeRock
1880 [15:13:40] <mickael_> well, not started automatically, period
1881 [15:13:44] <AlexLikeRock> hi
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1883 [15:14:02] <nkuttler> mickael_: on your personel desktop? or are you handling more than one machine?
1884 [15:14:09] <nkuttler> or are you installing them?
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1886 [15:14:23] <mickael_> I handle multiple debian machines
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1888 [15:14:39] <nkuttler> mickael_: sounds like you want a config management tool
1889 [15:15:27] <adriano44> i want to redirect *******.ovh in /home/*****/public/srv_apache and test.********.ovh in /home/sen . i have already my DNS and i have broken my apache configuration
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1891 [15:15:31] <AlexLikeRock> adriano44, do you check LOGs APACHE ?
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1893 [15:15:34] <mickael_> lol no I don't handle enough machines for this pain. All have different configs and such
1894 [15:15:36] <adriano44> someone can help me ?
1895 [15:15:49] <mickael_> it was more about a general question
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1898 [15:16:02] <AlexLikeRock> what say logs ? adriano44
1899 [15:16:20] <squirrel> i'm trying to restart sshd with a config that has an error in it. `service ssh restart` doesn't give me an error, while `service sshd restart` does. i only have `/etc/systemd/system/sshd.service`, i don't have `ssh` in `/etc/init.d`. can i somehow see what the system is doing when i do `service ssh restart`?
1900 [15:16:27] <adriano44> @adriano44, do you check LOGs APACHE ?
1901 [15:16:27] <adriano44> @adriano44, do you check LOGs APACHE ?
1902 [15:16:27] <adriano44> How can i check apache log ?
1903 [15:16:31] <nkuttler> mickael_: i use config management at home, for four boxes. just saying
1904 [15:16:31] <adriano44> fail srv
1905 [15:16:36] <mickael_> I hoped there was an undocumented "systemcl disable-autostart" command or something :)
1906 [15:16:44] <adriano44> sry*
1907 [15:16:57] <mickael_> ctl*
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1912 [15:18:10] <mickael_> nkuttler: well, could you point me at some doc or something ? Maybe it's worth knowing about this :)
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1916 [15:18:57] <adriano44> replaced-url
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1918 [15:19:11] <nkuttler> mickael_: i think the easiest option would be to write a short ansible playbook that installes the services, and disables or configures them
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1920 [15:19:23] <adriano44> @alexlikerock are you here ?
1921 [15:19:52] <mickael_> thanks, i'll look about ansible !
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1929 [15:22:58] <AlexLikeRock> any one to help adriano44
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1931 [15:23:29] <AlexLikeRock> #httpd
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1933 [15:24:02] <AlexLikeRock> adriano44, go to apache channel to ask ---> #httpd
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1941 [15:26:52] <adriano44> @alex i cannt send message :/
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1947 [15:27:51] <daimon> hello everyone. I'm messing with etherwake and wakeonlan
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1949 [15:28:42] <daimon> although I followed the documentation's steps nothing happens on the remote sleeping beauty
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1956 [15:29:47] <daimon> can anybody help?
1957 [15:29:49] <paowz__> hello there ! I'm running Jessie-8 with kernel 3.16. For some USB issues, I'd like to test another kernel. I then 'apt-get install' kernel 4.9, thing is, Gnome won't start.. dmesg doesn't tell me much about what's happening, it hungs with a black screen..any clue ?
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1959 [15:30:32] <daimon> startx?
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1961 [15:30:53] <paowz__> startx shall be run as usual..
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1963 [15:31:11] <paowz__> I mean, I don't have to typie it myself
1964 [15:31:14] <paowz__> *type
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1967 [15:31:54] <daimon> if startx runs it could be an initialization issue. Which WM have you installed?
1968 [15:32:04] <adriano44> i have a problen in #httpd someone can help me ?
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1972 [15:32:56] <adriano44> i want to redirect *******.ovh in /home/*****/public/srv_apache and test.********.ovh in /home/sen . i have already my DNS and i have broken my apache configuration can you help me in #httpd
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1975 [15:33:58] <nkuttler> adriano44: please don't ask for people to join other channels..
1976 [15:34:07] <adriano44> Sry
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1978 [15:36:14] <nkuttler> adriano44: btw, your paste was quite unreadable, and points to what looks like a ruby error anyway
1979 [15:36:23] <daimon> there will be a .conf where setup your public folder path. AFAIR is a xml based file
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1981 [15:37:46] <daimon> try httpd.conf and change <Directory> options
1982 [15:38:06] <paowz__> daimon, this is the Gnome
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1991 [15:43:53] <jasonwc> Hello, I have been running a Debian Wheezy (7) storage server since Oct 2014, using Samba to host files and stream multimedia content to Windows and Linux clients. I am running the latest version available from debian-packports - 4.1.17. I never had any issues until I upgraded my main desktop to Windows 10. I then started receiving intermittent messages about a "panic or segfault" in Samba
1992 [15:43:53] <jasonwc> . For example, this is one of the latest error messages: replaced-url
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1998 [15:47:29] <adriano44> Okay, i have a2ensite all my vhost and i have a 403 error
1999 [15:47:46] <adriano44> anyone has got a solution
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2019 [15:57:50] <LostSoul> ompaul: Yes
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2022 [15:57:56] <LostSoul> Both are on same machine
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2036 [16:03:18] <LostSoul> Ok, it works now
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2042 [16:04:29] <LostSoul> replaced-url
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2085 [16:17:46] <hackspirit0> Hi, should the uefi boot kept enabled or disabled for usb boot
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2088 [16:19:23] <hackspirit0> Anyone
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2100 [16:26:28] <AlexLikeRock> hackspirit0, disabled
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2103 [16:27:42] <hackspirit0> AlexLikeRock: I tried keeping it enabled, and the cursor blunking issue gone away
2104 [16:28:12] <boser> is that not a configuration problem of the usb bootloader?
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2106 [16:29:37] <hackspirit0> I am not sure :(
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2117 [16:33:07] <petn-randall> hackspirit0: It should be enabled, or, if you have other OSes installed, left untouched.
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2122 [16:38:55] <LostSoul> LOL, I don't know why but my old config works too now.. man
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2140 [16:47:31] <AlexLikeRock> hackspirit0, are you n sure than USB its first ?
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2151 [16:53:52] <boser> can you select with <F12> the boot device?
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2153 [16:55:23] <AlexLikeRock> or F11
2154 [16:55:29] <AlexLikeRock> or F9
2155 [16:55:49] <AlexLikeRock> depend of the BIOS/Mother Board
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2157 [16:57:36] <ompaul> LostSoul: so in ports and out ports need to be different
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2161 [16:58:28] <ompaul> LostSoul: best practice would have a vm
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2163 [16:59:17] <ompaul> LostSoul: think 80 on the outside (local network) to something else internally
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2165 [17:00:11] <ompaul> LostSoul: outside -> 80 NGINX connects to some other port say 7777 on the apache <---> 7777 Apache
2166 [17:00:35] <ompaul> LostSoul: NGINX is really simple to configure - but you can't have both of them on 80
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2170 [17:01:18] <ompaul> you will need a firewall rule to keep all the 7777 from the outside world better if it is on a different ip and not reachable from off the machine
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2172 [17:01:35] <ompaul> LostSoul: that should be enough to get you started
2173 [17:03:02] <LostSoul> ompaul: I don't know but I must have done something wrong
2174 [17:03:25] <LostSoul> I've reversed setting .. I've even used different VM and I was able to use it with success
2175 [17:03:36] <LostSoul> I don't know what I've set up or installed, hard to say atm
2176 [17:04:02] <LostSoul> ompaul: I know both can't work on port 80
2177 [17:04:03] <ompaul> LostSoul: hard to do nmap ip x and nmap ip y? ;-)
2178 [17:04:23] <LostSoul> I followed some tutorial on the web ..
2179 [17:04:24] <ompaul> LostSoul: I don't know what you know, and I really don't know what you don't know. ;-)
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2182 [17:04:37] <ompaul> I know this, I know very little.
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2184 [17:04:43] <LostSoul> To be more claar X number of tutorial on how to do it were similar so.. I didn't get it why it was not working
2185 [17:04:51] <LostSoul> I guess some default setting in apache or nginx
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2187 [17:05:26] <LostSoul> ompaul: Network part of OS is not my strongest side :P
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2190 [17:07:21] <ompaul> LostSoul: kind of important to learn something. I strongly suggest you draw a picture of what you think is happening and then examine the configs and you will find that there is no magic involved, it is all very straight forward at some level. replaced-url
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2194 [17:08:04] <ompaul> packet in on port n - mapped to ip somewhere else and other socket
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2209 [17:11:12] <irtouv> good day #debian. I have an extra screen attached to my computer I wish to use merely to display system status and health. can you give me recommendations on software for that matter? either terminal or graphical tools are fine.
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2223 [17:19:19] <hackspirit0> Hello there back again. I got this while installing debian on usb what to do next? replaced-url
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2230 [17:20:26] <likcoras> irtouv: what about glances? Terminal-only, and monitors pretty much everything you'd need.
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2240 [17:24:08] <jasonwc> I am trying to rebuild samba from the Jessie source packages in a Wheezy VM. I changed the debian/control file to allow the wheezy/backports version of libldb-dev, but when I run apt-get build-dep samba, it still complains that my version of libldb-dev can't satisfy version requirements. Do I need to do something after modifying debian/control to have apt use the new file?
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2242 [17:25:46] <irtouv> likcorasthat looks good. thanks!
2243 [17:26:00] <irtouv> likcoras that looks good. thanks!
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2249 [17:28:38] <AlexLikeRock> apt-get -t backports install libldb-dev , jasonvw
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2251 [17:28:49] <AlexLikeRock> or some like that
2252 [17:28:58] <LostSoul> Thank you ompaul
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2254 [17:29:37] <jasonvw> I think you meant jasonwc AlexLikeRock ;)
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2256 [17:29:57] <missmbob> jasonwc: it's not checking your control file. it checks what the repository says.
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2258 [17:30:09] <AlexLikeRock> yes
2259 [17:30:21] <AlexLikeRock> apt-get -t backports install libldb-dev , jasonwc
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2261 [17:30:38] <jasonwc> AlexLikeRock Yup, I already did that.
2262 [17:31:15] <AlexLikeRock> jasonwc, download manual replaced-url
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2264 [17:31:25] <AlexLikeRock> and all dependencies
2265 [17:31:56] <jasonwc> Wouldn't it have installed all its dependencies when I used apt-get -t wheezy-backports install libldb-dev?
2266 [17:32:17] <missmbob> for version 1.1.17 sure.
2267 [17:32:28] <missmbob> you need to backport jessie's 1.1.20
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2273 [17:34:12] <jasonwc> missmbob: Is that actually necessary to build Samba? The Debian Administrator's manual says, "There is no automated way to determine if a dependency is real or only specified to guarantee that the build should only be attempted with the latest version of a library — this is the only available way to force an autobuilder to use a given package version during build, which is why Debian
2274 [17:34:12] <jasonwc> maintainers frequently use strictly versioned build-dependencies."
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2276 [17:34:33] <jasonwc> I guess the answer is you won't know unless you try :P
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2279 [17:36:05] <missmbob> it's what the maintainer says. i'd say they'd know better than us
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2282 [17:37:17] <sIRwa2> does debian support sata multiplier out of the box?
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2296 [17:43:40] <missmbob> sIRwa2: yes. linux has has sata multiplier support for a really long time. should just woke
2297 [17:43:43] <missmbob> work*
2298 [17:44:19] <sIRwa2> oke, dont see any sdX showing up.
2299 [17:44:35] <sIRwa2> maybe should start with one drive at a time
2300 [17:45:02] <missmbob> be looking at your dmesg as you plug/unplug
2301 [17:45:25] <sIRwa2> yes. that was my next step :)
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2352 [18:26:11] <Lufy> Hi, I have a nodejs problem. It says Error: Cannot find module xmlrpc/lib/deserializer. What should I do ? Thanks
2353 [18:27:10] <AlexLikeRock> hi Monkey D. Lufy
2354 [18:28:17] <nkuttler> Lufy: sounds like a question for #node.js
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2358 [18:28:33] <Lufy> Is there one ? Ok thanks
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2367 [18:35:15] <irtouv> is it possible to show simultaneously X and a console in a multimonitor intel graphics system?
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2370 [18:37:14] <petn-randall> irtouv: Probably not. You can simply open a terminal emulator, though.
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2380 [18:43:18] <jhutchins> Actually... it should be possible to have X ignore a display.
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2382 [18:43:40] <jhutchins> Running off the same chipset might be difficult.
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2447 [19:24:26] <eugenmayer1> does resize2fs /dev/mydev resize to the maximum available size?
2448 [19:24:34] <eugenmayer1> (so without size paramter)
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2450 [19:26:18] <triski> eugenmayer1, The size parameter specifies the requested new size of the filesystem.
2451 [19:26:18] <triski> If no units are specified, the units of the size parameter shall be the
2452 [19:26:18] <triski> filesystem blocksize of the filesystem.
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2454 [19:27:34] <eugenmayer1> so there is no way to do like 'btrfs filesystem resize max'
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2456 [19:28:22] <triski> i don't know about btrfs, just sent you the information of "man resize2fs"
2457 [19:28:28] <atrapado_> If size parameter is not specified, it
2458 [19:28:29] <atrapado_> will default to the size of the partition.
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2460 [19:30:05] <triski> atrapado_, yes it seems so, but explained in a different manner
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2462 [19:30:27] <eugenmayer1> thats how i also got it atrapado_ thank you
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2508 [19:55:02] <squirrel> i'm trying to restart sshd with a config that has an error in it. `service ssh restart` doesn't give me an error, while `service sshd restart` does. i only have `/etc/systemd/system/sshd.service`, i don't have `ssh` in `/etc/init.d`. can i somehow see what the system is doing when i do `service ssh restart`?
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2522 [20:02:24] <somiaj> squirrel: use systemctl to see what is going on, 'systemctl status ssh' for instant
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2530 [20:04:37] <squirrel> somiaj: okay this gives some info, it says it's loading `/lib/systemd/system/ssh.service`. this file has the same contents as `/etc/systemd/system/sshd.service`
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2533 [20:04:53] <squirrel> `systemctl status sshd` gives the same result
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2535 [20:05:24] <squirrel> this is not very helpful :|
2536 [20:05:41] <n-iCe> hi
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2559 [20:23:42] <LtL> squirrel: /etc/systemd/system/sshd.service is a symlink to /lib/systemd/system/ssh.service .. so whats the problem?
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2562 [20:24:42] <squirrel> LtL: the problem is that `service ssh restart` doesn't give me an error, while `service sshd restart` does, and i want to know why
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2566 [20:25:43] <plantfood> i think `sshd` is a centos thing ?
2567 [20:25:50] <CuSn> no
2568 [20:25:51] <LtL> squirrel: probably because its running already, can't say without trying myself. does it not work?
2569 [20:26:12] <CuSn> plantfood: sshd is an ssh thing. Its the deamon that allows ssh logins to happen
2570 [20:26:32] <LtL> squirrel: sshd is the daemon
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2573 [20:26:48] <LtL> yeah, what CuSn said. squirrel
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2575 [20:26:56] <plantfood> cusn: yes i know, but when it's called through systemctl on debian, it seems the service file is named 'ssh'
2576 [20:27:01] <CuSn> but i mispelled damon.
2577 [20:27:51] <CuSn> plantfood: systemd, ironically, has caused a number of small ripples, that may be one of them.
2578 [20:27:57] <abrotman> squirrel: what's the error?
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2580 [20:28:22] <missmbob> CuSn: it actually is spelled daemon
2581 [20:28:36] <squirrel> i just put nonsense in the config so that it produces an error
2582 [20:28:57] <CuSn> missmbob Ja, I noe.
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2584 [20:29:03] <squirrel> so if ssh is not a service, why does `service ssh restart` works at all?
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2589 [20:29:47] <CuSn> ssh is the client that you (user0 uses to do an ssh connection over the net. sshd is the process the responds to ssh connect requests on a system where ssh connects are allowed
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2591 [20:30:00] <CuSn> so the it is the "ssh" service, but it is served by sshd
2592 [20:30:31] <plantfood> basically, they may have misnamed 'sshd' as 'ssh'
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2594 [20:30:36] <squirrel> well this doesn't answer the question
2595 [20:30:53] <CuSn> <blah>d is the generic name for a server that provides service <blah>
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2597 [20:31:19] <CuSn> as the d implies deamon
2598 [20:31:32] <LtL> squirrel: why do you put 'nonsense' in a system file, that's my question.
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2602 [20:32:51] <squirrel> LtL: to make the service command produce an error
2603 [20:33:09] <LtL> squirrel: congratulations
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2605 [20:33:53] <LtL> squirrel: don't fix what's not broken.
2606 [20:33:53] <squirrel> you know, it's frustrating to not know if the service you restarted worked
2607 [20:34:22] <squirrel> so when i change the config of any service, i have to first make a bad config to see if the command works at all
2608 [20:34:28] <LtL> squirrel: man systemctl ; man journalctl
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2610 [20:34:50] <plantfood> systemctl status sshd
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2612 [20:35:21] <LtL> squirrel: its pretty simple to ssh localhost to test it.
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2615 [20:36:08] <squirrel> a successful connection to ssh doesn't mean successful restart of the service though
2616 [20:36:22] <missmbob> checking logs will tell you. but i guess that's hard
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2618 [20:36:38] <squirrel> i know about the workarounds
2619 [20:36:55] <missmbob> instead of restart just stop. then start
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2622 [20:37:28] <squirrel> so your solution is to ignore the problem and use the workarounds
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2625 [20:38:16] <missmbob> i dont think anyone knows what your problem is other than being taught incorrectly
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2627 [20:38:55] <LtL> squirrel: workarounds and forensics are two distinctly different things, check your logs.
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2632 [20:39:50] <n4dir> i used debootstrap to install debian in a chroot. manpages are installed (manpages and manpages-dev), but whatever "man app" i do, i am told there ain't no manfile for it
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2634 [20:40:41] <squirrel> the system log shows correct but rather useless information. it correctly states that there's been an error
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2636 [20:41:16] <squirrel> i don't know if there's an in-depth log of what systemd does internally
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2640 [20:41:33] <LtL> squirrel: possibly due to 'nonsense'?
2641 [20:41:47] <squirrel> yup
2642 [20:41:57] <LtL> go figure
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2679 [20:57:16] <teraflops> squirrel: systemctl status service / journalctl -u service
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2689 [20:59:31] <squirrel> i've been told that this might be a bug within systemd and that i should try updating it to a more recent version as mine's oldish
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2722 [21:22:30] <likcoras> Is there a way to see journalctl logs without root? I think I had to add the user to some group, but I don't remember which.
2723 [21:22:36] <likcoras> Or is that a really bad idea?
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2728 [21:24:34] <somiaj> likcoras: I think the group is systemd-journal and that is the point of the group, so it isn't a bad idea
2729 [21:24:46] <likcoras> Ah, I see it
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2734 [21:26:54] <likcoras> Thanks!
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2802 [22:09:40] <missmbob> i find it a bit annoying that bluebird-gtk-theme comes with a background that says xubuntu :P
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2807 [22:12:27] <crackotage> any human beings here?
2808 [22:12:52] <crackotage> I'm in a huge hole.
2809 [22:13:02] <drGspot> we could find some :)
2810 [22:13:32] <crackotage> Since upgrading to stretch I haven't been able to boot my computer.
2811 [22:13:46] <crackotage> So I tried supergrub 2, which has worked before but didn't
2812 [22:13:59] <missmbob> !tell crackotage about debian-next
2813 [22:14:02] <crackotage> all that worked was ubuntu's boot repair inside of unetboot
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2815 [22:14:20] <crackotage> but this is a support question....
2816 [22:14:30] <missmbob> i know. read what the bot said
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2820 [22:17:58] <crackotage> no humans there currently :/
2821 [22:18:23] <missmbob> !wait
2822 [22:18:23] <dpkg> If no-one has answered your question to your satisfaction, please wait 10 minutes before asking again. Please don't whine about your problem, about the channel, about Debian, Linux, or anything else. Just wait 10 minutes and then ask again. Ask me about <repeat> and <ask>.
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2824 [22:18:49] <missmbob> !patience
2825 [22:18:49] <dpkg> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available.
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2827 [22:18:55] <missmbob> you know. that
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2830 [22:19:39] <crackotage> I do know. And I have immense respect for you and them.
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2832 [22:19:51] <crackotage> I've helped people here before myself :)
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2842 [22:24:02] <shellclear> hi everyone, someone knows something about cgroup and docker?
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2937 [23:13:00] <Somelauw> If an application tells you it dumped its core. Where to find it? I expect coredumpctl, but it's empty.
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2941 [23:14:04] <bub_> somewhere in /var/log
2942 [23:14:14] <bub_> maybe.. if you find out, please tell hehe
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2948 [23:17:15] <petemc> the directory the process started from, unless configured otherwise
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2951 [23:17:53] <hellyeah> what was the software in linux for downloading music from youtube?
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2953 [23:18:01] <missmbob> youtube-dl
2954 [23:18:16] <hellyeah> ah thanks
2955 [23:18:17] <teraflops> it's not for linux only if you mean yt-dl
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2957 [23:18:38] <LtL> hellyeah: get it from the website if you want it to work
2958 [23:19:11] <teraflops> ,v youtube-dl
2959 [23:19:11] <hellyeah> there is windows version as wel
2960 [23:19:12] <judd> Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- jessie: 2014.08.05-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 2016.12.01-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2016.12.01-1; sid: 2017.02.07-1
2961 [23:19:23] <teraflops> it's just python
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2966 [23:20:11] <hellyeah> but this youtube-dl does not have a gui i guess right?
2967 [23:20:22] <bazhang> right
2968 [23:20:52] <teraflops> there're wrappers or whatever
2969 [23:20:53] <bazhang> why not get the browser plugin for that
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2973 [23:21:17] <Somelauw> bub_: /var/lib/systemd/coredump, but coredumpctl should pick them up, because they are unreadable otherwise
2974 [23:21:27] <teraflops> I wonder how reliable is the jessie version
2975 [23:21:39] <TomTomTo1> mostly unusable.
2976 [23:21:44] <teraflops> hehe
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2980 [23:22:25] <teraflops> sometimes I have to git it because google being silly I cannot imagine being stuck in 2014.08.05 version
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2982 [23:23:04] <missmbob> youtuble-dl -U does just that. git
2983 [23:23:10] <budder> my installation media is missing firmware. iwlwifi-7260-9.ucode iwlwifi-7260-8.ucode rtl_nic/rt18168g-3.fw. I installed without this and couldn't get access to the internet
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2985 [23:24:22] <petemc> there should be non-free installation media that includes such things
2986 [23:24:27] <teraflops> missmbob: never did that way, does it interfere with doing apt-get install the package?
2987 [23:24:38] <missmbob> !firmware iso
2988 [23:24:38] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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2990 [23:24:50] <teraflops> missmbob: I meant dpkg complaining
2991 [23:25:04] <missmbob> teraflops: oh if you install via apt it's broken. it'll tell you to blow wind
2992 [23:25:09] <teraflops> heh
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2995 [23:25:40] <budder> dpkg i downloaded installation media from Debian website
2996 [23:25:41] <dpkg> budder: have you tried replaced-url
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2999 [23:26:03] <missmbob> budder: yeah this is a different special one with firmware built in
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3001 [23:26:17] <budder> dpkg: no i am very new to linux
3002 [23:26:17] <dpkg> budder: wish i knew
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3004 [23:26:27] <missmbob> budder: dpkg is a bot i called for you
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3008 [23:27:06] <budder> missmbob: what? why would the installation media from the Debian servers be missing something
3009 [23:27:33] <missmbob> budder: oh dear. long story. debian doesnt like non-free things.
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3015 [23:30:19] <hellyeah> is there a software for downloading soundcloud song on linux?
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3017 [23:30:30] <budder> missmbob: is this mentioned somewhere in the documentation? that in order to access wifi you need to download from a different source?
3018 [23:30:40] <TomTomTo1> budder: the official installer only includes software that complies with the DFSG. replaced-url
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3022 [23:31:59] <teraflops> hellyeah: other than a web browser?
3023 [23:32:11] <hellyeah> like youtube-dl
3024 [23:32:16] <hellyeah> from command line
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3026 [23:32:31] <hellyeah> thats okey if i download it via browser
3027 [23:32:57] <missmbob> hellyeah: actually youtube-dl supports soundclound. and lot of others. replaced-url
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3029 [23:33:11] <teraflops> hellyeah: youtube-dl should work
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3031 [23:33:16] <teraflops> that
3032 [23:33:26] <hellyeah> thanks
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3034 [23:33:35] <teraflops> hellyeah: yd-dl supports a gazillion of sites
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3036 [23:33:51] <hellyeah> damn
3037 [23:33:53] <hellyeah> thats good
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3042 [23:35:31] <budder> TomTomTo1: thanks
3043 [23:35:39] <budder> missmbob: thanks
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3051 [23:37:29] <teraflops> hellyeah: and mpv has a yt-dl hook script
3052 [23:37:49] <teraflops> not sure about jessie though
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3056 [23:39:55] <budder> missmbob: TomTomTo1 i just loaded that installation media on a USB stick and attempted reinstall but getting the same missing firmware message
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3066 [23:42:04] <hellyeah> teraflops: mpv - video player based on MPlayer/mplayer2 ?
3067 [23:42:20] <teraflops> yep
3068 [23:42:45] <hellyeah> okay
3069 [23:42:55] <hellyeah> what is hook script btw sorry for my english?
3070 [23:43:05] <missmbob> budder: do you know the exact chipset?
3071 [23:43:18] <budder> no
3072 [23:43:39] <budder> missmbob: no. what chipset?
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3074 [23:43:49] <budder> missmbob: amd64
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3076 [23:44:39] <teraflops> hellyeah: e.g mpv replaced-url
3077 [23:44:43] <missmbob> budder: when you type lspci -nn |grep -i wire what does it say? especially the funny [168c:0032] numbers, what are they?
3078 [23:44:50] <awal1> "diff --side-by-side file1 file2 | colordiff" / "colordiff --side-by-side file1 file2" won't colorize :( won't colorize with --side-by-side
3079 [23:44:51] <budder> missmbob: my laptop has a 64 bit cpu and I used the amd64
3080 [23:44:59] <budder> missmbob: where do i type that
3081 [23:45:08] <missmbob> budder: in a terminal
3082 [23:45:17] <awal1> how to colorize with --side-by-side option?
3083 [23:45:20] <budder> missmbob: how do i open a terminal
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3085 [23:45:49] <dTal> type 'xterm' in a terminal :p
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3088 [23:46:14] <budder> missmbob: how do i open a terminal from the installation
3089 [23:46:18] <missmbob> budder: ctrl+alt+f2 then to get back you ctrl+alt+arrrow to cycle through
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3094 [23:46:34] <missmbob> alt+arrow i mean
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3097 [23:48:02] <budder> missmbob: 04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 [8086:08b2] (rev c3)
3098 [23:48:28] <missmbob> ,pciid 8086:08b2
3099 [23:48:29] <judd> [8086:08b2] is 'Wireless 7260' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
3100 [23:48:40] <missmbob> huh
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3102 [23:51:07] <missmbob> budder: i know you're new, but i think you need to use stretch installer which isn't released yet. it's frozen and pretty stable though. want to try?
3103 [23:51:17] <missmbob> budder: i dont think you have a choice really.
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3108 [23:52:56] <budder> missmbob: i downloaded my installation media from here as linked by dpkg: replaced-url
3109 [23:53:03] <teraflops> awal1: colordiff -yW"`tput cols`" file1 file2
3110 [23:53:34] <budder> missmbob: and i found that page from this thread: replaced-url
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3112 [23:54:22] <missmbob> budder: i think you need a newer version is all. so i think you should use this iso. replaced-url
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3115 [23:54:43] <awal1> teraflops, works great :) Gracias!
3116 [23:54:49] <teraflops> de nada ;)
3117 [23:55:31] <budder> missmbob: did you see the two cdimage links i posted? it seems as though the second link has the firmware that i'm actually missing while the first one (which i used to make the installation media) has no mention of it
3118 [23:56:15] <missmbob> budder: i know. they just have them separate if you want to see what's in the iso. they are included
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3120 [23:57:41] <budder> missmbob: so what exactly is stretch installer?
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3123 [23:58:00] <budder> missmbob: so those two links are actually to the same install??
3124 [23:58:04] <missmbob> budder: much newer kernel, firmware, modules, etc
3125 [23:58:31] <missmbob> budder: it's the frozen soonish to be released version
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3127 [23:58:46] <budder> missmbob: what kernel specifically?
3128 [23:58:52] <missmbob> 4.9
3129 [23:58:57] <budder> no
3130 [23:58:58] <budder> sorry
3131 [23:59:12] <budder> current stable debian used 3x right?
3132 [23:59:15] <missmbob> yes
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3134 [23:59:37] <budder> that's why i'm attempting to install that one. my cpu is affected by a cstate bug with 4x kernels and on
3135 [23:59:44] <missmbob> kind of, anyway. it has 4.9 in jessie-backports
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