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48[00:18:16] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys
49[00:18:29] <Eryn_1983_FL> how do i download the dependicies on a package?
50[00:18:38] <Eryn_1983_FL> i need them all and this piece meal is driving me nuts
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52[00:21:28] <dvs> !apt-zip
53[00:21:28] <dpkg> Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. replaced-url
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59[00:26:40] <zykotick9> dvs: thanks. i didn't actually know such a good answer existed for Eryn_1983_FL's question. apt-zip sounds more reasonable then clearing apt-cache on a machine (without any of the dependencies installed), installing to get the apt cache for everything, then copying those files over <- which i was envisioning ;)
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62[00:28:19] <missmbob> Eryn_1983_FL: i've been using this for a long time. replaced-url
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67[00:29:56] <zykotick9> missmbob: very neat!
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70[00:30:53] * zykotick9 can't actually imagine running a machine without internet access these days...
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74[00:31:54] <missmbob> zykotick9: lucky :P
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205[01:27:04] <tharkun> Aloha, diff is throwing that two identical lines are different. I will assume that diff is right, how can I see the nonprintable characters?
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207[01:28:39] <tw> off the top of my head, xxd, dhex, or vi's :set list
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241[01:54:40] <ryouma> tharkun: cat -v /inter alia/
242[01:54:53] <ryouma> or just open it in emacs
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262[02:08:56] <tharkun> ryouma: I prefer debian having an os within an os is not my style (pun intended) :)
263[02:12:06] <ryouma> debian exists to run emacs
264[02:12:11] <tharkun> lol
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271[02:16:52] <gwozt> hey guys, i was gonna download a debian disc image but i don't know which is the right architecture for my intel i7 64 bit hardware
272[02:17:09] <gwozt> i went with amd64
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274[02:17:24] <TomTomTo1> !amd64
275[02:17:24] <dpkg> amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686-pae or -amd64 kernel. See also <why amd64> and <why not amd64>.
276[02:17:57] <gwozt> so i downloaded the right image right, dpkg?
277[02:18:06] <TomTomTo1> that's right.
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279[02:18:11] <gwozt> thx yall
280[02:18:19] <missmbob> gwozt: laptop?
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287[02:20:02] <gwozt> yeah
288[02:20:10] <missmbob> consider this then
289[02:20:15] <missmbob> !firmware iso
290[02:20:15] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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292[02:20:26] <gwozt> now i have an iso file and a usb stick can i burn the iso into usb using terminal?
293[02:20:44] <missmbob> cp foo.iso /dev/sdx;sync
294[02:20:52] <exssaa> fuck now my /etc/rc.local isnt starting on boot
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296[02:21:17] <spitfireee> win 5$ only for register guys! NO JOKE - > replaced-url
297[02:21:35] <gwozt> missmbob: does that make a huge difference?
298[02:22:01] <gwozt> and should i pay to get a decent copy of debain?
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301[02:22:31] <gwozt> i mean is that a requirement?
302[02:22:36] <missmbob> no
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307[02:24:45] <TomTomTo1> non-free is still gratis, if you meant that. it's just not free software in terms of licensing and source code availability.
308[02:25:51] <gwozt> but i downloaded this from debian's official website
309[02:26:12] <missmbob> and you should enjoy it
310[02:26:49] <gwozt> ok guys thx very much
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333[02:38:42] <gwozt> missmbob: debain says that my hardware for internet doesn't support dkhc or sumtin. what would you suggest that i do now?
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338[02:40:17] <missmbob> gwozt: replaced-url
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346[02:43:25] <gwozt> missmbob: i already went with "configure it later" so can i do what is necessary later?
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348[02:44:46] <missmbob> i would just use the stretch iso and hope for the best
349[02:45:01] <missmbob> it's in full freeze
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351[02:47:14] <gwozt> what do you mean by full freeze?
352[02:47:29] <missmbob> it's about to be released
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355[02:50:57] <likcoras> How would I go around using an existing encrypted partition in the installer (preserving existing data). I have lvm on luks, trying to use the free space on the lvm to install debian on.
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358[02:53:00] <themill> if by "about to be released" you mean "some time towards the middle of this year", then ok...
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367[02:59:10] <WechKep> Just...
368[02:59:11] <WechKep> Just ate a burger at the sleazy joint
369[02:59:11] <WechKep> Now I gotta take a shit, get to the point
370[02:59:11] <WechKep> Sittin' on the toilet, my ass is a blast
371[02:59:11] <WechKep> Runnin' smelly diarrhea outta my ass
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374[02:59:30] <WechKep> No fuckin' paper
375[02:59:30] <WechKep> Hey baby lick my ass 'til your face turns blue
376[02:59:36] <WechKep> You're finished rimmin' me and you want some more
377[02:59:37] <WechKep> Ya say ya don't flush but your out the door
378[02:59:49] <WechKep> I'm back in the...with a cup
379[02:59:50] <WechKep> Scoop it outta the toilet 'cause you wanna slurp it up
380[02:59:54] <WechKep> Eat my diarrhea you're chuggin' it down
381[02:59:54] <WechKep> You're suckin' my ass and your lips are all brown
382[03:00:04] <WechKep> Since we've gone back to the hamburger place
383[03:00:05] <WechKep> I'm gonna stick my ass right on your face
384[03:00:11] <WechKep> I'm gonna shit in your mouth
385[03:00:12] <WechKep> I'm gonna shit in your face, your mouth
386[03:00:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o themill
387[03:00:19] <WechKep> And I wanna shit on your mother
388[03:00:20] <WechKep> I'm gonna shit on you and your mother
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394[03:01:36] <nathan> themill++
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400[03:03:49] <awal1> same troll as last night and same "poem" :D
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582[05:17:58] <HeXiLeD> looking for fbdesk repo. Is there one ?
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621[05:54:16] <mrtrump> why debian over freebsd?
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678[06:44:51] <ldumont> So this one is weird. I've just moved 6 servers 20 feet in a rack and I've lost 6 drives in 3 different servers. They are Dell 1950 in Raid1 with somewhat used disks.
679[06:44:54] <ldumont> What the fuck?
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682[06:46:08] <somiaj> maybe a loose plug from the move?
683[06:46:33] <Rusty1_> and it aint even Monday
684[06:46:38] <Rusty1_> yet
685[06:47:15] <ldumont> Maybe?
686[06:47:20] <ldumont> But they were shutdown
687[06:47:40] <ldumont> The only thing in common in no raid cache battery. But everything was properly shutdown
688[06:48:04] <Rusty1_> battery was what i was thinking
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773[06:54:16] * dvs didn't want to help people tonight anyways. ;-)
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779[07:04:44] <mrtrump> hmm
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781[07:05:01] <mrtrump> anyone have trouble with chrome crashing on testing?
782[07:05:05] <mrtrump> amd64?
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784[07:05:48] <themill> the bts might know
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791[07:11:56] <fat_rat> what option in bios should I enable before installing linux, legacy support or secure boot?
792[07:12:31] <missmbob> debian doesnt support secure boot
793[07:13:07] <fat_rat> ok ill try
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796[07:15:45] <fat_rat> how to delete windows boot manager?
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799[07:16:42] <missmbob> the installer will do it for you
800[07:17:03] <heistheone> I cant remember what, but I was looking at info about my root filesystem and there was this string like '0xGH34' or something close. Can someone tell me what it is?
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803[07:19:32] <fat_rat> missmbob: yeah but i didn't :/ maybe i should delete win7 entry from grub?
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817[07:35:43] <shalok> Why does this command result in the removal of packages?: aptitude markauto '~i !~M ~R~i'
818[07:37:47] <shalok> I'm selecting only packages that are depended upon by something that is installed... these should only be packages that it's safe to markauto, right?
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823[07:39:33] <somiaj> shalok: the space makes it or I belive, so you makred everything as auto
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825[07:40:14] <somiaj> try search with that to see exactly which packages got marked auto
826[07:40:40] <shalok> somiaj: spaces are 'and'
827[07:41:09] <themill> no
828[07:41:36] <shalok> yes
829[07:41:38] <shalok> =)
830[07:41:43] <themill> well, it's complicated... it depends on whether you let the shell split it or not
831[07:41:50] <themill> (you are not)
832[07:42:26] <shalok> The way I'm doing it is 'and'. I already tested this.
833[07:42:59] <themill> ack, but "spaces are and" is not universally true and is a common trap
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835[07:46:46] <shalok> I figured it out. It's circular dependencies.
836[07:47:39] <shalok> A depends on B and B depends on A. Both A and B get marked auto since they match the pattern and apt is smart enough to purge them.
837[07:49:23] <EazyMachine> Can someone tell me where I download SHA512SUMS.sign????
838[07:49:36] <themill> EazyMachine: from the same directory
839[07:50:07] <EazyMachine> themill: I don't understand what you mean
840[07:50:28] <themill> Is this for the installer?
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842[07:50:36] <EazyMachine> yes
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844[07:50:54] <themill> So you downloaded the ISO from a web server. That file is in the same place
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855[07:57:18] <EazyMachine> themill: There is no file named sha512.sign to download on the same page as netinstall. There is no file named sha512.sign in verify directory either.
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857[07:57:39] <themill> Exact URLs, please
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859[07:58:08] <EazyMachine> replaced-url
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861[07:58:14] <EazyMachine> replaced-url
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863[07:58:41] <themill> no, same directory as the ISO files
864[07:58:50] <themill> The ISO files are not on replaced-url
865[07:59:53] <EazyMachine> And where is the directory?
866[08:00:21] <themill> You just downloaded the ISO file from it...
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869[08:01:01] <themill> At this stage, only you know the URL of the ISO file you downloaded.
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873[08:04:33] <EazyMachine> themill: replaced-url
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875[08:07:00] <themill> that's not a URL to an ISO file
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877[08:07:37] <themill> but yes, the URL was probably to that machine (or something pointing to it like cdimage.debian.org)
878[08:08:06] <EazyMachine> replaced-url
879[08:08:49] <themill> Just go to the page where you downloaded it from
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881[08:10:35] <themill> There was a link and you clicked it. Links point to URLs. URLs give you data. The files you want are in the same directory as the ISO file.
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890[08:17:28] <EazyMachine> themill: Think I found them now. webboot = netinstall or is it iso-hybrid? What does hybrid mean?
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893[08:20:19] <EazyMachine> themill: Nevermind I get it now. Thanks.
894[08:20:20] <somiaj> EazyMachine: the image is set to boot from a cd or usb, can also support legacy or efi boot
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897[08:21:43] <EazyMachine> somiaj: ye i found it, but it shows only information in the beginning and I had to scroll down to see the files on my directory..
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900[08:23:46] <somiaj> I was just explaing what hybrid meant
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903[08:24:29] <somiaj> but glad you found it.
904[08:24:30] <remo> why debian long boot with systemd ? I have one static eth0 interface. Debian start 50second
905[08:24:54] <somiaj> remo: systemd-analyze to see what time different services took
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907[08:25:36] <awal1> EazyMachine, from here replaced-url
908[08:25:45] <remo> somiaj: Startup finished in 2.112s (kernel) + 4min 8.584s (userspace) = 4min 10.696s
909[08:25:59] <somiaj> remo: it didn't give you info about what services took what amount of time
910[08:26:00] <awal1> you get almost ^
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912[08:26:24] <somiaj> remo: hmm, one second, I thoguht it gave more info
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916[08:26:44] <EazyMachine> somiaj: I just saw the beginning of your text and thought you where guiding me to where I was supposed to go. ;d
917[08:26:46] <somiaj> remo: try systemd-anaylize blame
918[08:27:32] <remo> somiaj: 2min 4.302s networking.service
919[08:27:32] <remo> 1min 24.686s exim4.service
920[08:27:55] <somiaj> exim might be waiting for the networking. Do you use the interface file for networking?
921[08:27:56] <EazyMachine> awal1: what's the difference between my link adn yours? We get different because of localisation?
922[08:28:47] <somiaj> remo: networking is being slow. It takes 13 seconds here, but for some reason it takes that to set up my static bridge I have for my vms
923[08:29:06] <awal1> EazyMachine, ...umu.se ?
924[08:29:09] <somiaj> remo: please share your file at paste.debian.net and not send me a message
925[08:29:28] <somiaj> EazyMachine: cdimage.debian.org is just a reidrecotr to some mirror, you probably just have a mirror
926[08:29:37] <EazyMachine> awal1: That's where it takes me when I click the link
927[08:30:04] <remo> somiaj: replaced-url
928[08:30:07] <somiaj> remo: looks like you have a static bridge too. I have noticed that has slowed my boot, but I'm only at 13.4s and not 2mins like you.
929[08:30:35] <awal1> EazyMachine, that should be the direct link/mirror for the iso
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931[08:31:02] <somiaj> remo: you are also running scripts with that network that could be taking time. But I can't really help you more than point out that is what is taking time.
932[08:31:23] <awal1> EazyMachine, cdimage... is a redirector, as somiaj told you
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937[08:33:08] <EazyMachine> awal1: aight.
938[08:33:34] <EazyMachine> Since I already installed my iso file on my usb stick I guess I need to re-install that? including my debian , in order to verify?
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940[08:34:21] <somiaj> EazyMachine: if you verrified the image, then you don't need to recopy it to the usb stick.
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944[08:34:55] <somiaj> EazyMachine: are you having any issues with the install or did you just want to verify the image you downlaoded was right?
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946[08:35:09] <EazyMachine> somiaj: I never verified it before I put it on usb stick, and I did install debian with that stick.
947[08:35:18] <EazyMachine> Yes, I just want to verify my debian I'm using right now.
948[08:35:29] <somiaj> do you still have a copy of the .iso you downloaded?
949[08:35:38] <somiaj> if it verifies you should be fine and not need to reinstall.
950[08:35:42] <remo> somiaj: I'm comment post up. Boot time not decrease
951[08:36:14] <EazyMachine> No I don't, it's gone together with the old debian. Only fraction left of it is the usb stick it created.
952[08:36:52] <somiaj> EazyMachine: You should be able to verify from that, provided you stop at the end of the image (not the usb device) -- not posoitve on the details though
953[08:37:07] <somiaj> remo: unsure what to look at and could be taking long. did you check dmesg for networking warnings?
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957[08:39:13] <EazyMachine> somiaj: "provided you stop at the end of the image" What do you mean? What img?
958[08:39:48] <EazyMachine> it's not a iso file anymore the info on the usb, or should I "remake" it to an iso file or smthin<?
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960[08:40:24] <somiaj> EazyMachine: when copying the image to the usb stick using cp, dd, you put an exact copy on the usb drive, but the image is smaller than the drive, so if you tried to check the whole drive you won't get the correct checksum, but if you end at the point the image ended, it should be the same image and thus match the checksum
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962[08:42:25] <EazyMachine> somiaj: Ok, I'll check it out and come back if I won't make it.
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972[08:52:36] <EazyMachine> somiaj: Should the SHA files be on the usb stick when I verify them? Not sure how I should do this, since I'm supposed to have the sha files + iso file in same folder when I verify them?
973[08:53:08] <somiaj> sha256sum /dev/sdX will sum the usb drive, but it may sum the whole drive and not just the image.
974[08:53:31] <somiaj> how did you put the iso on the usb drive in the fist place?
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976[08:54:19] <EazyMachine> somiaj: I used DD in terminal, as debian.org says
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978[08:54:42] <somiaj> then you can just sum the usb drive, but I don't know how to ensure the sum stops at the end of the image and not the end of the drive.
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980[08:55:17] <EazyMachine> somiaj: How do I sum it?
981[08:55:37] <somiaj> I gave you the command, sha256sum /dev/sdX provided you want an sha256 sum
982[08:55:43] <somiaj> where /dev/sdX is your usb drive
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985[08:57:22] <EazyMachine> somiaj: kk, how does it know what sha code it should use?
986[08:57:26] <sdx23> this is of no use. The checksum of sdx and the iso will differ.
987[08:58:04] <somiaj> I didn't think it would, unless you could stop the sum at the end of the image (not the device) but unsure how to do that.
988[08:58:44] <sdx23> You could dd the exact amount of bytes that were in the image into a pipe over to shasum
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990[08:59:19] <EazyMachine> If it would be possible to make an ISO file of it maybe? Then it would be like it reverts to the same as it was?
991[08:59:38] <sdx23> Why you even want to do this?
992[09:00:26] <EazyMachine> To verify the files that I used to install my debian system with
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994[09:00:50] <molavy> hi
995[09:01:07] <EazyMachine> It was a differ on the sha
996[09:01:14] <molavy> i have project using php5, i just install debian 8
997[09:01:21] <sdx23> Well, best do it before writing the iso file to the usb pendrive.
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999[09:01:39] <molavy> i has php 7 and my project has problem with that php version
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1001[09:01:48] <molavy> how can i install php 5 on debian 8
1002[09:01:50] <awal1> EazyMachine, you said you removed the iso file; so how will you be able to compare?
1003[09:02:14] <somiaj> ,v php5
1004[09:02:15] <judd> Package: php5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u6; jessie: 5.6.29+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.29+dfsg-0+deb8u1
1005[09:02:35] <somiaj> molavy: just install the package php5, on jessie you will get version 5.6
1006[09:03:08] <EazyMachine> awal1: When I did your command I got back a sha code and idk wtf I'm doing atm. Was thinking I could compare it to the one on the download site
1007[09:03:31] <somiaj> !debsums
1008[09:03:31] <dpkg> rumour has it, debsums is a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files: "aptitude install debsums; debsums -a -s". Most packages come with md5sums included in the package; if apt's package cache is clean, then generate missing sums with "aptitude reinstall `debsums -l`". Ask me about <md5sums>.
1009[09:03:42] <awal1> EazyMachine, it's possible to do what you want but you need your original iso file
1010[09:04:08] <somiaj> if you knew the exact number of bytes of the image, they might be able to copy it back off the thumbdrive and then check.
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1012[09:04:36] <EazyMachine> awal1: That is destroyed information by zeros.
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1015[09:04:45] <awal1> maybe the sha256 sum you got now is different compared to the one used for your original iso file
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1018[09:05:44] <EazyMachine> ok, I'll just re-install it then to be sure.
1019[09:06:17] <awal1> you have useful info here replaced-url
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1021[09:06:53] <somiaj> EazyMachine: might be easiest, and give you the peace of mind you seek.
1022[09:07:35] <awal1> see section "Check the CD"
1023[09:07:49] <somiaj> in this case it isn't a CD, so that won't work
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1025[09:08:44] <somiaj> the pendrive could be checked, provided you stop at the end of the image, not the device as I have said. But this isn't an easy task, sdx23 suggestion of dd and knowing the exact number of bytes in the image may work
1026[09:08:52] <awal1> my idea is: no original iso file = not possible to compare, probably
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1028[09:09:10] <EazyMachine> somiaj: 1tb hdd takes time to re-install, but you are correct, it will peace my mind.
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1031[09:09:48] <awal1> bcuz the sha256 sum he got now may not be the same as the one used for his previous iso file
1032[09:10:30] <EazyMachine> awal1: But why isn't it correct if I make an iso file of my usb stick?
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1037[09:12:03] <EazyMachine> awal1: nevermind, got it.
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1045[09:16:48] <awal1> EazyMachine, you can yeah if you are sure that the sha.../md5 sums of your original (previous iso used) are the same as the ones you got today
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1047[09:17:43] <EazyMachine> awal1: ye I figured that out after some time. My brain seems to lack speed nowadays.
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1049[09:20:02] <awal1> EazyMachine, if you are paranoid, you shouldn't use netinst iso at all
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1055[09:22:39] <EazyMachine> awal1: So, there can be man-in-middle attack during this process too?
1056[09:23:27] <awal1> EazyMachine, why not
1057[09:25:15] <EazyMachine> awal1: There is 3 different dvd's? Do I need them all?
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1060[09:26:14] <awal1> EazyMachine, standard software is almost in the 1st
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1062[09:26:43] <EazyMachine> awal1: ye saw it now, I guess stuff like desktop enviroment is on the other?
1063[09:27:01] <awal1> no
1064[09:27:15] <awal1> DE are all in dvd1
1065[09:28:09] <EazyMachine> How do I clean a usb stick? In disks app nothing happens with the stuff on it right now (netinst img)
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1068[09:29:52] <EazyMachine> Nevermind, found a way.
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1075[09:34:01] <awal1> EazyMachine, if you want to know wich dvd contains the pkg you want use replaced-url
1076[09:35:59] <EazyMachine> Cool, thanks. I guess I will go with 1 and install later whatever I need.
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1079[09:37:45] <Iridos> [09:20] <awal1> EazyMachine, if you are paranoid, you shouldn't use netinst iso at all
1080[09:37:52] <Iridos> what, why?
1081[09:38:32] <EazyMachine> Iridos: I guess it's because you're downloading stuff just as you do when you download the file?
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1083[09:40:07] <awal1> Iridos: you have a looong answer here replaced-url
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1085[09:40:53] <EazyMachine> awal1: Was my answer correct, if we make a long story short?
1086[09:40:58] <Iridos> that's not an answer, that's the securing howto and I doubt it even mentions netinstall
1087[09:41:39] <Iridos> EazyMachine, if you want to install, you will have to "download stuff" or have a CD shipped to you…
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1089[09:42:25] <EazyMachine> With the dvd also? Thought you don't need internet connection for that one?
1090[09:42:29] <awal1> Iridos, I mentionned netinst bcuz it connect to the net
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1092[09:42:57] <awal1> not suitable for offline install
1093[09:43:23] <Iridos> that is true… but what does that have to do with security and "if you'Re paranoid"? nothing.
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1095[09:44:12] <EazyMachine> how does the synaptic manager work? I mean, there you download stuff without any manual verification?
1096[09:44:24] <awal1> a brief response/resume, and it's correct replaced-url
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1098[09:45:48] <Iridos> that can be a point. not valid if you're doing an install in your private nat, though
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1101[09:47:36] <EazyMachine> awal1: Thank you.
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1103[09:49:44] <awal1> Iridos: for start, I / you don't even know if my / your non free bios is free of malware...
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1106[09:50:11] <Iridos> using or not using netinstall won't change a thing on that
1107[09:50:21] <Iridos> :)
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1109[09:52:02] <EazyMachine> awal1: Explain more?
1110[09:52:05] <awal1> Iridos: are you sure that your internet provider isn't sniffing you right now?
1111[09:52:19] * Pavr puts on his tinfoil hat
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1116[09:52:29] <Iridos> awal1, what about that camera in front of your door
1117[09:52:41] <Iridos> I think we're getting offtopic and should move to #d-o
1118[09:52:42] <awal1> :D :D :D
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1120[09:53:44] <awal1> I'm not paranoid, so I don't really care about all that; it's almost EazyMachine concern :P
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1122[09:54:12] <Iridos> well, you know the saying…
1123[09:54:26] <Iridos> just because you're not paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you
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1125[09:56:02] <awal1> Internet = no privacy
1126[09:56:21] <Iridos> I think that's facebook you mean
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1130[09:56:57] <awal1> fbook is for kids
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1132[09:57:22] <awal1> a simple example people ignore
1133[09:57:25] <awal1> replaced-url
1134[09:57:42] <Iridos> it's all the nicer for kids, because it can record their life from the moment they're born
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1137[09:58:24] <awal1> Iridos, have you been aware of that bug?
1138[09:58:43] <awal1> that's just a very simple example
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1142[10:02:13] <Iridos> *shrug*
1143[10:02:23] <Iridos> I trust mozilla and everyone it contacts
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1180[10:35:03] <Niah> #offsec
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1187[10:45:22] <treaki__> hi goggles??
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1232[11:14:44] <arctictemper> Everytime I boot, a process appears under the vice of
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1235[11:15:40] <arctictemper> Everytime I boot, a process appears under the vice of "cpuset" and begins listening on the same port. How can I find what is really causing this?
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1245[11:21:33] <n3wborn> .version St3f
1246[11:21:46] * n3wborn test des trucs...
1247[11:22:16] <n3wborn> oups, wrong chan, sorry
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1276[11:44:20] <EazyMachine> Can anyone tell me why what I'm doing wrong when verifying debian ISO img? I downloaded the ISO file, then I copied the SHA512SUMS code to a gedit file + same with SHA512SUMS.sign, put them all in same folder but I get error: replaced-url
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1288[11:51:36] <themill> can't open `SHA512SUMS.sign' is pretty clear
1289[11:52:13] <Li> how to use apt download <packaName> to automatically download all required dependencies at once?
1290[11:54:14] <themill> 'required' is not as simple as you would like to think. apt-zip or apt-offline might help you
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1292[11:55:47] <EazyMachine> themill: pretty clear I asked what I'm doing wrong not what the error msg said
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1297[11:58:23] <themill> EazyMachine: you don't have a file called SHA512SUMS.sign. I don't know what you did do. I also don't know why gedit is involved in downloading files.
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1300[12:00:00] <EazyMachine> themill: I can't download the shasum, if I click on it in the directory I get redirected to a new site where the code is. How do I download the file and not getting redirected to the code?
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1303[12:01:30] <EazyMachine> replaced-url
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1308[12:04:32] <n3wborn> EazyMachine: get in the directory where your iso is and type in a terminal : wget replaced-url
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1315[12:08:00] <EazyMachine> n3wborn: Thx
1316[12:08:42] <n3wborn> EazyMachine: wget will download the SHA512SUMS.sign file (in the current directory, so use "cd" to get in the directory where your iso is). Then you will be able to verify your iso
1317[12:09:21] <n3wborn> EazyMachine: no problem
1318[12:09:42] <EazyMachine> n3wborn: Got it. It works now
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1323[12:12:09] <n3wborn> EazyMachine: nice
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1326[12:15:37] <Li> I guess I've screwed the system now .. how to get clear/cancle all this pending -f install dependenies from apt-get?
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1329[12:16:28] <Li> anything I do it asks me to do download/install 253MB with apt -f install .. I don't wanna do that
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1334[12:16:52] <LordThumper> Hey, what is the best way to use Transmission 2.9.2 on debian stable?
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1336[12:17:34] <elwisp> So im trying to setup pci passtru, but virsh list gives me nothing, i have installed the vm using virtmanager
1337[12:18:02] <elwisp> im at a total loss here, i need to run virsh edit vmname, but virsh does not find vms
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1418[13:05:20] <jcdr> Hi all, I dist-upgrade stretch today and this have silently overwritten /lib/systemd/system/network-manager.service. Very bad as this file need modification because of bug #820174 and leave this remote machine without network. Is that nomral that service file are overwritten without admin authorization ?
1419[13:05:22] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1468[13:20:39] <de-facto> Hmm why do i get "apt install openjdk-8-jre-headless" -> "openjdk-8-jre-headless : Depends: ca-certificates-java but it is not going to be installed" BUT "apt install ca-certificates-java" -> "ca-certificates-java is already the newest version."
1469[13:21:01] <de-facto> so it complains about a missing package wich is already the newest version?
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1472[13:21:47] <TomTomTo1> use the -t jessie-backports option when installing from backports.
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1481[13:26:07] <de-facto> TomTomTo1 thanks that worked :)
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1501[13:41:29] <bierdieb> hello there. maybe one may help me a bit: replaced-url
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1505[13:43:28] <bierdieb> ive installed a fresh windows on sda2. since im missing 2 partitions on the extended. everything else is working. debian on sda1 and windows are bootable by grub, but gparted shows empty space on the extended instead of the two missing partitions. is there a way to fix that?
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1508[13:46:07] <Ticho> perhaps the new windows install pushed end of its partition a bit further, thus overwriting the start of the next one?
1509[13:46:18] <Ticho> anyway, it seems like you only had a swap partition on there, why not just recreate it?
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1513[13:49:22] <bierdieb> #i made a whole copy of sda before reinstalling win, but i dont have a clue how to write it back without destroying the actual sda2
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1521[13:55:47] <bierdieb> replaced-url
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1525[13:56:51] <bierdieb> is it possible to just rewrite the extended partition from the backup?
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1599[14:41:16] <tokamak> Hi, I want to uninstall Libre Office, but selecting the metapackage libreoffice for removal only affects that one package. How do I tell LO to take all its stuff and GTFO without selecting every single package that was installed in that dependency tree?
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1601[14:41:46] <Texou> tokamak: have you tried libreoffice-*
1602[14:41:48] <Texou> ?
1603[14:42:43] <tokamak> would that also remove all the helpers, libs etc. that don't have 'libreoffice' in their names?
1604[14:43:09] <Texou> tokamak: no, for this your next step will be autoremove
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1606[14:43:36] <tokamak> and what does that do?
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1610[14:44:19] <Texou> tokamak: it removes all packages whih installed installed but without any other package depending on them
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1618[14:48:24] <tokamak> Does it really need to be this hard, when selecting that one metapackage installs everything and the kitchen sink? The mighty, decades-old Debian can't remove stuff the same way it installs them? Is this where we stand in 2017? I don't mean to troll but is there actually a valid technical reason for doing it this way?
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1620[14:48:53] <somiaj> tokamak: that is exactly what autoremove does, it removes all the packages that were automatically brought in by the metapackage after it is removed
1621[14:49:06] <somiaj> tokamak: apt-get requires you do it as an extra step, aptitude does it in one step. I prefer apt-gets method myself
1622[14:49:43] <Texou> maybe report a bug to know what the maintainer packages the metpackage like this :)
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1624[14:49:51] <themill> tokamak: if you want to respect Recommends and Suggests relationships then there is no technical way of making this reversible
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1627[14:50:36] <somiaj> tokamak: I was going to add what themill said, the execption to this is if the additional packages are recommended or suggetsed by other manual packages they wont' get removed in the process.
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1631[14:51:23] <Texou> doing differently is dangerous :)
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1633[14:52:10] <petterw> Hi, I'm wondering what the mac images under replaced-url
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1635[14:52:19] <Dreaman> why deboa is only distro not us full hd conf free radeon driver
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1638[14:52:25] <Dreaman> debian
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1641[14:53:29] <tokamak> OK, thanks for the advice, all
1642[14:53:59] <towo`> Dreaman, what?
1643[14:54:49] <Dreaman> free radeon driver not use my videocard 4830
1644[14:54:58] <Tsutsukakushi> one improvement to the debian documentation could be to add a little notes that tell which packages contain certain tools
1645[14:55:00] <Dreaman> full hd resolution
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1647[14:55:19] <Tsutsukakushi> like in the documentation for building packages it could say that debuild comes from devscripts
1648[14:56:00] <themill> .oO( people use debuild? )
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1650[14:57:00] <themill> Tsutsukakushi: more seriously, whatever "the documentation" is that you are referring to will either say "install build-essential and devscripts" or have a way of submitting bugs. (IRC is not useful for that)
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1652[14:58:05] <somiaj> Dreaman: have you isntalled linux-firmware-nonfree (or firmware-linux-nonfree -- forget the name)
1653[14:58:21] <Dreaman> ok
1654[14:58:35] <Tsutsukakushi> themill: replaced-url
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1656[14:58:54] <Tsutsukakushi> at least this doesn't say that
1657[14:59:16] <Tsutsukakushi> themill: that's what the documentation says to use
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1660[15:00:02] <TomTomTosch> you are talking about 7.14? "We'll show how it's done using the devscripts tools. Install this package if you haven't done so already." says so in the first line.
1661[15:00:09] <Tsutsukakushi> themill: is there some better tool out there?
1662[15:01:04] <themill> §7.14: The preferred way to do this is by using various wrapper tools. We'll show how it's done using the devscripts tools. Install this package if you haven't done so already.
1663[15:01:41] <themill> as for better documentation, that rather depends on what you're trying to do
1664[15:02:25] <Tsutsukakushi> build a source package
1665[15:02:38] <themill> Do you mean build a binary package from a source package?
1666[15:02:51] <themill> (building a source package is a rather different thing)
1667[15:03:14] <Tsutsukakushi> build a binary package from a source
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1669[15:03:42] <themill> what is says to do there in §7.14 will work fine
1670[15:04:10] <themill> (I'd just use dpkg-buildpackage rather than debuild, but it makes no difference really)
1671[15:04:41] <towo`> Dreaman, install firmware-linux-nonfree
1672[15:04:49] <towo`> then it will work
1673[15:04:56] <tokamak> OK, I typed "apt-get remove libreoffice --auto-remove", and it removed only the metapackage. then I typed "apt-get autoremove", and it removed nothing. how do I do this right?
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1675[15:04:58] <Dreaman> ok
1676[15:05:00] <Tsutsukakushi> <themill> .oO( people use debuild? )
1677[15:05:05] <Tsutsukakushi> what did you mean by this?
1678[15:05:27] <Tsutsukakushi> sounds to me like you think that I should use something else
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1694[15:17:05] <dutchfish> Tsutsukakushi, its more easy to make mistakes with debuild then dpkg-buildpackage to my humble opinion.
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1696[15:17:22] <dutchfish> Tsutsukakushi, your mileage may differ ....
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1707[15:21:28] <jolt> tokamak: if you list the packages with libreoffice you will see that there is one called libreoffice-x-x-x something. Remove that (because the metapackage is only useful when installing)
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1710[15:24:59] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey peeps
1711[15:25:27] <Eryn_1983_FL> what is the apporiate way to manager the poweroff command for users?
1712[15:25:41] <Eryn_1983_FL> should i just modify the permissions on poweroff and systemctl to only allow root?
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1715[15:29:13] <dutchfish> Eryn_1983_FL, to handle shutdown privs, i would walk the the sudoers rights for the user you want to grant, on a desktop install this is difficult since you have to acomplish, halt, reboot, suspend and hibernate.
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1719[15:30:46] <dutchfish> Eryn_1983_FL, this is normally handled by dbus
1720[15:31:48] <dutchfish> Eryn_1983_FL, hint: delve into freedesktop.Consolekit and fredesktop.Upower
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1722[15:32:40] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
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1724[15:32:49] <Eryn_1983_FL> mmmm
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1728[15:33:29] <dutchfish> Eryn_1983_FL, so something like an acces for sudoers to `sudo systemctl poweroff`
1729[15:33:50] <tokamak> Jolt, ty for the advice, meanwhile lacking a better option I took Texou's advice and first removed all packages matching "libreoffice-*", then did an autoremove, and that removed quite a few packages. But I'm wondering what if there was a package that didn't contain "libreoffice-" in its name but had been installed by the metapackage, and half the tree depended on it and didn't get removed? Is it an idiom in Debian package management that I can trust, that
1730[15:33:50] <tokamak> as long as I remove everything containing the metapackage name and then do an autoremove, the entire tree will be gone?
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1732[15:33:51] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
1733[15:33:53] <dutchfish> Eryn_1983_FL, same for reboot
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1736[15:34:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> well the problem is that i can do it as reg user on anybox..
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1739[15:34:46] <Eryn_1983_FL> so ill just change the permissions and make it via root with sudo then
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1741[15:36:17] <dutchfish> Eryn_1983_FL, maybe, i think since i am a KDE users, its easy to break the system.
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1743[15:36:27] <dutchfish> s/users/user
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1745[15:36:46] <Eryn_1983_FL> yeah i gave up on kde around 3.x
1746[15:36:58] <Eryn_1983_FL> and moved to xmonad, been a happy home for me, simple,
1747[15:37:10] <dutchfish> Eryn_1983_FL, on a headless machine with no X running you definitely want to work over sudoers rights
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1749[15:37:30] <Eryn_1983_FL> right
1750[15:37:33] <dutchfish> Eryn_1983_FL, gl
1751[15:37:39] <Eryn_1983_FL> brb
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1756[15:39:53] <Eryn_1983_FL> back
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1761[15:42:18] <dutchfish> Eryn_1983_FL, there is also polkit, not sure if that is of any help.
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1763[15:42:54] <dutchfish> !polkit
1764[15:44:56] <dutchfish> Eryn_1983_FL, at least for mate and kde
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1777[15:52:39] <MaxLanar> Hi. I have to use pavucontrol and go to 'Configuration -> Internal Audio' and select 'Stéréo analogique Output' for that sink/output to become available/existing. When I first try to show it with 'pacmd list-sinks | grep -e 'name:' -e 'index'' it don't show up and then I (obviously) can't use 'pacmd set-default-sink alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1f.3.analog-stereo' for it to be the default output (I can do it after the pavucontrol
1778[15:52:39] <MaxLanar> manipulation, but it's not persistent). How can I make that output available from the terminal ?
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1783[15:55:21] <dutchfish> MaxLanar, not sure if that helps (depends on your WM too) replaced-url
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1788[15:56:47] <dutchfish> MaxLanar, (under the user account that has granted audio group rights)
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1795[15:58:43] <MaxLanar> dutchfish: just tried that, it don't works :(
1796[15:59:51] <MaxLanar> I use openbox, if it matters
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1798[16:00:26] <dutchfish> MaxLanar, replaced-url
1799[16:02:11] <MaxLanar> dutchfish: I *have* pulseaudio of course
1800[16:02:36] <MaxLanar> and it works
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1806[16:05:00] <dutchfish> MaxLanar, yes, i assumed that, but it needs manual configuration on openbox, it is not supported out of the box on that WM, maybe this will help: check your ~./config/openbox/autostart & ~./config/tint2/tint2rc files
1807[16:05:09] <MaxLanar> The issue is I always must set the correct sink in pavucontrol to have sound (my other default output is not what I want to use). Until I do that pacmd can't see that (correct) sink neither the set-default-sink setting in default.pa useful
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1811[16:06:24] <dutchfish> MaxLanar, i got that, i had simular issues since i have 4 audio sink and 3 audio capture devices
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1813[16:07:25] <MaxLanar> dutchfish: It's exactly what I'm trying to do, manually set up pulseaudio ! :)
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1815[16:08:12] <MaxLanar> I don't see why the autostart & tint2rc files are relevant here
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1817[16:08:56] <dutchfish> MaxLanar, i ended up with a completely different path, i routed everyhting through jack, including pulse and alsa plugs, but that is of no help to you.
1818[16:09:38] <dutchfish> MaxLanar, the later one needs to start your plug, example gnome-sound-applet &
1819[16:09:49] <dutchfish> (autostart file)
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1824[16:10:13] <dutchfish> MaxLanar, the default config is stored in the tint2rc file
1825[16:10:28] <dutchfish> Max even for an audio device!
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1827[16:11:28] <MaxLanar> I don't want to use a sound applet in a systray
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1829[16:11:46] <dutchfish> MaxLanar, its a long time ago i tried openbox, sorry for that.
1830[16:12:06] <MaxLanar> dutchfish: no problem, thanks for your help
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1833[16:12:39] <dutchfish> MaxLanar, but i know for sure you need that aplet, since that stores your config.
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1836[16:13:28] <dutchfish> MaxLanar, hope that helps a bit, sorry if i was unclear
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1862[16:24:43] <Quatroking> does cron generate new mail by default?
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1866[16:25:42] <dutchfish> Quatroking, no, but your local MTA might.
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1870[16:25:48] <Quatroking> MTA?
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1872[16:26:13] <MaxLanar> Quatroking: Mail Transfer Agent
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1875[16:26:26] <dutchfish> Quatroking, on a debian install messages are routed through exim for your root account, only local delivery.
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1878[16:26:52] <Quatroking> I see
1879[16:27:14] <dutchfish> Quatroking, which can be read with mutt as root user.
1880[16:27:15] <MaxLanar> dutchfish: I just upgraded pulseaudio from bpo and now the default sink is the one I want, out of the box ! :)
1881[16:27:32] <Quatroking> I run the duckdns script every 5 minutes and I just discovered that it creates a mail whenever it runs
1882[16:27:39] <dutchfish> MaxLanar, i we were banging our heads against a bug?
1883[16:27:40] <Quatroking> long story short I now have 12290 messages!
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1885[16:28:15] <dutchfish> Quatroking, ah ok
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1890[16:28:56] <dutchfish> Quatroking, is that a default config?
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1893[16:29:13] <Quatroking> well, that's what I'm hoping to find out, because I'm not finding it in the script
1894[16:29:22] <dutchfish> Quatroking, seams a bit excessive.
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1898[16:29:58] <sypher> Quatroking: Might be helpful to know what these messages contain.
1899[16:30:02] <Quatroking> The script is this: echo url="replaced-url
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1906[16:30:40] <Quatroking> sypher, here you go: replaced-url
1907[16:30:49] <dutchfish> sypher, true
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1909[16:31:15] <sypher> Quatroking: curl is generating output. When a process run via cron generates output that is not redirected to somewhere other than stdout, it's mailed to root.
1910[16:31:17] <soulspire> Good Day :) Trying to setup my wireless headset and mic with bluetooth, work fine on Acer Chromebook 14, but want to use it on my Debian "Jessie" with openbox system
1911[16:31:26] <Quatroking> ohhhhh
1912[16:31:39] <Quatroking> wait so it's not writing to the .log?
1913[16:31:58] <MaxLanar> dutchfish: I don't know, maybe it was.
1914[16:32:07] <sypher> Quatroking: It is, but curl generates output even though its saving the downloaded file to a log.
1915[16:32:10] <Quatroking> oh haha, the logfile only contains "OK"
1916[16:32:21] <dutchfish> MaxLanar, glad to hear its fixed now.
1917[16:32:25] <sypher> Quatroking: Add '-s' to the curl portion.
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1919[16:32:51] <sypher> Quatroking: That will suppress curl's normal output.
1920[16:33:01] <dutchfish> MaxLanar, maybe the reset | reboot cycle fixed it, i had that on many occasions.
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1922[16:33:22] <sypher> Quatroking: A better idea would be to write a proper script that doesn't rely on that sort of a kludge.
1923[16:33:29] <Quatroking> so it'd be "curl -k -o ~/duckdns/duck.log -K -s"?
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1926[16:34:16] <Quatroking> I got the script off replaced-url
1927[16:34:18] <sypher> Quatroking: As I said, kludge. The isolated '-' at the end of that line is significant and must be preserved. Add '-s' just after the curl command.
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1929[16:34:26] <Quatroking> got it
1930[16:34:31] <sypher> Quatroking: Don't really care where you got it, it's a terrible hack.
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1932[16:34:40] <Quatroking> heh
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1934[16:35:21] <Quatroking> alright, now how do i delete all mails from my mailbox
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1938[16:35:57] * dutchfish mumbles something about rsyslog instead of stuffing it into mail
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1942[16:36:28] <Quatroking> oh, d * did it
1943[16:36:29] <Quatroking> thanks
1944[16:37:01] <Quatroking> if all works fine now, I shouldn't be getting a new mail in 3 minutes or so
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1958[16:43:08] <soulspire> Trying to setup my wireless headset and mic with bluetooth, work fine on Acer Chromebook 14, but want to use it on my Debian "Jessie" with openbox system, Seems Ubuntu can use Telephony Device (HSP/HFP).
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1962[16:44:52] <Quatroking> no mail!
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1967[16:46:59] <Digital> can i have a shared /boot partition when multibooting debian 64bit and debian 32bit?
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1971[16:48:13] <dutchfish> Digital, if multiarch is enabled on both, you could, but i dont think that is a good solution.
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1973[16:48:48] <dutchfish> Digital, think security and encryption
1974[16:49:18] <Digital> I'm not gonna use encryption on this disk
1975[16:49:30] <Digital> dutchfish, what's the security issue?
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1977[16:49:58] <dutchfish> Digital, several, once one of the systems allow root, you are hosed
1978[16:50:06] <sypher> On a technical level, that shouldn't be done. Any updates to one OS will likely cause issues when attempting to boot the other.
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1980[16:50:30] <dutchfish> sypher, also very true
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1982[16:50:44] <sypher> Well, I say any. Anything that would cause the grub configuration to be updated.
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1984[16:51:01] * dutchfish nods
1985[16:51:10] <Digital> what's the issue with that?
1986[16:51:44] <sypher> Because it will pick up every valid kernel/initrd combination and rewrite the grub configuration with the running OS's boot parameters.
1987[16:52:06] <CuSn> I want to merge 2 Dirs, A and B, latest file all in A. When I rsync -au B A , instead of putting the newest version of files into A, it copies B into A.
1988[16:52:21] <sypher> In essence, every grub boot entry would be rewritten to only point to one OS - whichever one was running when grub config was regenerated.
1989[16:52:28] <CuSn> Is there a way to do what i wanted (sync only the files)
1990[16:52:56] <sypher> Digital: Anyway, you've been given your answer. Don't do that, and if you do, it will break, and when it breaks, you get to keep the pieces. I doubt you'd find much support here for such a configuration.
1991[16:53:05] <jelly> rsync has a zillion options
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1993[16:53:20] <Digital> sypher, dutchfish okay, thanks
1994[16:53:22] <sypher> Digital: So, now, the question I probably shouldn't ask: Why would you even consider such a configuration?
1995[16:53:52] <jelly> CuSn: --update being one of them
1996[16:54:10] <Digital> heh, i should have asked that question first. it's interesting how i get focused on a solution
1997[16:54:15] <CuSn> jelly: sure does. and i used -u (which is update)
1998[16:55:00] <jelly> CuSn: if you want to clone the contents instead of the whole directly, make sure the source ends with a /
1999[16:55:07] <jelly> directory*
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2001[16:55:29] <CuSn> so i should use rsync -au B/ A ?
2002[16:55:52] <jelly> probably add -n to see what it does before it does it
2003[16:56:20] <v0lk> Hi all, I cant find an answer online - if I'm copying a file from a local dir to an external HD how do I check that its actually copying / doing the command?
2004[16:56:28] <CuSn> jelly: Gracis.
2005[16:56:48] <CuSn> jelly: and tested - works perfektly :-)
2006[16:57:03] <v0lk> using ls shows nothing in the folder I'm copying it to
2007[16:57:31] <CuSn> v0lk: whats is the copy command?
2008[16:57:38] <jelly> v0lk: copying how precisely? ls with what options?
2009[16:57:39] <jelly> !ask
2010[16:57:39] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
2011[16:57:44] <jelly> !paste
2012[16:57:44] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
2013[16:58:34] <v0lk> jelly / cusin, I've been using cp (file to copy) (file destination) as sudo
2014[16:59:03] <v0lk> trying to copy the whole user profile from home, but as sudo it should copy regardless of permissions
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2018[16:59:48] <jelly> show the actual, complete command lines and their full output, v0lk
2019[16:59:49] <sypher> I believe the question was intended to mean "exactly what command are you entering?"
2020[17:00:22] <v0lk> cp /home/terry /media/usb/backup
2021[17:00:50] <v0lk> I've mounted the drive using mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb
2022[17:00:55] <jelly> cp doesn't recurse and copy contents, unless it's told to
2023[17:00:57] <v0lk> I've mounted the drive using [ mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb
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2027[17:01:59] <jelly> v0lk: add -a option, it's a shortcut for recursion, ownership and permission copying
2028[17:02:07] <Digital> sypher, I want to make a bootable rescue boot stick for both 32 and 64 bit architecture. I don't want to update two /boot folders when i change a grub config file... dunno it seems weired
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2030[17:02:11] <v0lk> I tried using cp -i and cp -b for backup but no change
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2033[17:02:27] <sypher> Digital: Any reason why existing rescue disks aren't sufficient?
2034[17:02:45] <v0lk> jelly, you are the man!
2035[17:03:06] <v0lk> its copying now, thank you so much for your help!
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2037[17:04:19] <jelly> v0lk: often commands have a --help or -help or -h parameter to get short help.
2038[17:04:33] <jelly> other times, "man cp"
2039[17:04:55] <Digital> sypher, i don't know any rescue systems, i know debian and i don't want to spend a lot of time trying out different rescue systems
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2043[17:06:17] <sypher> Digital: The correct answer here is to learn one, rather than trying to build your own. There are many out there.
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2049[17:07:47] <v0lk> jelly: Yea I had a quick look there (I'm a fairly new user, had a brainfart)
2050[17:07:59] <sypher> Digital: Check out Finnix for an example.
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2056[17:10:03] <noob> hello
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2059[17:10:46] <noob> so I want to join the next google summer of code, and contribute to the Debian project
2060[17:10:57] <Digital> sypher, i also want to use it as a normal os in special cases
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2062[17:11:13] <noob> I have taken c and java courses at university
2063[17:11:25] <missmbob> noob: wrong place. try #debian-mentors on oftc
2064[17:11:27] <noob> i am in my second year of University CS
2065[17:11:28] <sypher> Digital: Finnix has that capability, I believe. However, end result is that you trying to build a multiarch rescue disk on your own isn't a good idea.
2066[17:11:29] <jelly> !gsoc
2067[17:11:29] <dpkg> [SoC] System-on-a-chip, or Summer of Code, a mentoring program created by Google, see replaced-url
2068[17:11:41] <noob> ok thanks
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2070[17:12:23] <noob> #quit
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2073[17:13:24] <Digital> sypher, "[Finnix] does not include any desktops, productivity tools, or sound support" it doesn't have that capability
2074[17:13:46] <sypher> Digital: Then you should have specified what you meant by "normal OS."
2075[17:14:30] <sypher> Digital: You're looking for a bootable multilib USB distribution that supports persistence. Have fun.
2076[17:15:19] <jelly> rescue images typically focus on, well, rescue, recovery and forensics, even if you can fire up X and a web browser
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2079[17:15:56] <sypher> jelly: I assumed (apparently incorrectly) that that latter functionality was what was needed, as one doesn't typically use something they label a "rescue" boot as a productivity OS.
2080[17:16:50] <jelly> grml.org has X and firefox but I wouldn't use it for daily work unless that work is making other installations work again :-)
2081[17:17:19] <jelly> (or hardware migration and upgrades or similar)
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2084[17:19:28] <n4dir> if i am not wrong the last release of grml is very long ago (not per se a bad thing). It uses zsh as the shell, which as far it's me isn't much fun for a rescue CD
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2097[17:22:06] <bla> Do you know of any directory two-way real-time sync over SSH?
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2099[17:22:15] <Digital> sypher, jelly I'm looking for a portable debian installation, which i can use when my main system doesn't work anymore or when i go somewhere and they allow to boot from a stick
2100[17:22:18] <bla> Dropbox/owncloud without fancy protocols in fact.
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2111[17:23:51] <Digital> rescue was the wrong word, sorry. english isn't my mother language (which is, next to being tiered, the reason why I'm typing so incredibly slow)
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2136[17:29:47] <n4dir> bla sparkleshare ? though it is a backend for git. else i would probably go for something like sshfs
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2139[17:30:07] <n4dir> not that i would be much in the subject.
2140[17:30:29] <bla> I will see the first one;
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2143[17:30:38] <bla> second doesn't really sync anything and won't work offline.
2144[17:30:56] <n4dir> sure sshfs mounts sync
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2161[17:38:19] <jelly> sshfs is just to mount a remote directory, it doesn't sync anything on its own
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2178[17:43:41] <n4dir> as far it's me: if i mount a remote from PC1 and edit a file or add a file, and then i sshfs mount a remote from PC2, then sure enough both are in sync
2179[17:44:41] <n4dir> and sure enough that is more "on it's own" than something like git
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2184[17:45:59] <n4dir> or rsync, etc.
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2196[17:49:31] <n4dir> tahoe-lafs might be interesting for such problems.
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2204[17:53:19] <transhuman> hi on a custom build of nginx I get checking for md5 in system md (also md5) library ... not found whats missing...this is debian
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2218[17:59:45] <abrotman> transhuman: you mean trying to compile nginx?
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2224[18:02:15] <jscoder> can anyone suggest a program that I can use to very simply rearrange frames of a video? I want to work with the frames as images not the video itself.
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2229[18:03:40] <jscoder> basically I got a bunch of image files sequentially named and I want to rearrange and rename them graphically
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2231[18:04:28] <bananabas> What's the simplest way of installing Debian “stretch” as a virtual image under Gnome Boxes in Fedora?
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2237[18:05:24] <jscoder> I suppose that depends on what the hell a gnome boxes is
2238[18:05:29] <bananabas> ie, is there an iso that I can just download, or do I have to first install stable, then upgrade?
2239[18:05:40] <abrotman> yes, there's an RC2 ISO
2240[18:05:45] <bananabas> gnome boxes is a virtual image manager, like virtualbox
2241[18:05:46] <abrotman> debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
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2243[18:06:10] <transhuman> hi abrotman yes. trying to compile nginx. apparently there is a built in one for the purpose so I can ignore it
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2246[18:06:42] <bananabas> should i use netinst?
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2248[18:06:45] <transhuman> abrotman, thanks for your response though
2249[18:06:56] <bananabas> replaced-url
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2252[18:07:18] <RoyK> bananabas: virtualbox is a hypervisor, not a virtual image manager - I guess gnome boxes is something like virt-manager?
2253[18:07:20] <abrotman> transhuman: ah okay
2254[18:07:46] <jscoder> yeah I was off reading about it on wikipedia. I'd suggest using virtualbox personally this thing sounds new and sketchy
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2258[18:08:06] <bananabas> replaced-url
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2261[18:09:05] <bananabas> there is also virt-manager and virtualbox, yes
2262[18:09:07] <RoyK> bananabas: yeah, but virtualbox is a wee bit more than just a manager - it's the whole stack ;)
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2264[18:09:20] <bananabas> i see :)
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2266[18:09:47] <bananabas> well, i'm not keen on using G Boxes, it's just what came preinstalled on fedora, and i used it succesfully with an Ubuntu image before
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2268[18:10:07] <jscoder> yes virtualbox does it all and its well tested and supported, this gnome boxes thing seems like reinventing the wheel for no good reason
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2271[18:10:20] <bananabas> :)
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2274[18:10:56] <bananabas> ok so i install virtualbox, and get the RC2 netinst iso and i'm set to go, right?
2275[18:11:06] <RoyK> jscoder: erm - I guess gnome boxes works with kvm and perhaps other stacks - kvm is good and is in kernel already
2276[18:11:21] <RoyK> virtualbox is the thing reinventing the wheel here
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2279[18:11:58] <jscoder> touche
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2283[18:13:55] <bananabas> :D
2284[18:14:11] <bananabas> it's minimalistic
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2314[18:27:58] <efloid> how can i display which repo intalled packages are from?
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2316[18:28:38] <missmbob> !which repo
2317[18:28:38] <dpkg> To see what repository a package may have come from, try replaced-url
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2326[18:32:50] <RoyK> bananabas: reading here - replaced-url
2327[18:33:29] <bananabas> RoyK: because boxes is too young?
2328[18:34:02] <efloid> that command is good but i don't need to see the URL of the repo for each package
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2330[18:34:36] <RoyK> bananabas: afaics I get far more control with virt-manager - it's not that flashy and "userfriendly", but hell, it's good enough
2331[18:34:52] <bananabas> sure
2332[18:34:53] <efloid> guess i can just use cut to select fields. np
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2345[18:42:17] <bananabas> i'm doing the install and want to configure the clock to UTC in the timezone section, where can i find that?
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2348[18:43:10] <jelly> Etc/UTC ?
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2355[18:48:50] <RoyK> bananabas: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
2356[18:49:04] <RoyK> oh - during install...
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2360[18:50:40] <bananabas> yup
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2362[18:51:47] <RoyK> as jelly said
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2365[18:52:42] <bananabas> Tnx guys, copying files, almost done now
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2367[18:54:26] <bananabas> RoyK: what would you use for virtualization on a windows box?
2368[18:54:31] <bananabas> win10
2369[18:55:57] <RoyK> I don't do much desktop virtualisation - the little I've done has been with virtualbox and vmware workstation. I guess gnome boxes can do that better than virt-manager, though
2370[18:56:26] <missmbob> he said win10 :P
2371[18:56:34] <bananabas> yup
2372[18:56:44] <bananabas> (my brother uses it :)
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2383[18:59:04] <Rust3dCor3> my guinea pig chew on my laptop adapter cable screen. the screen is only the part that was chew on. should i worry and buy another cable or just say screw it up and use it anyway. the battery is charging well though
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2388[19:00:58] <bananabas> is debian going to use wayland or that ubuntu thing, what's it called
2389[19:01:06] <bananabas> mir, was it?
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2391[19:01:24] <jelly> it's unlikely anyone other than Canonical is going with Mir
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2393[19:01:49] <irc2000> jelly: 1: are you a jellyfish? 2: what is Mir?
2394[19:02:03] <jelly> !slap irc2000
2395[19:02:03] * dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across irc2000's face
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2398[19:03:16] <bananabas> jelly: it's unlikely that even they will use it
2399[19:03:22] <jelly> irc2000: replaced-url
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2411[19:10:06] <AlexPortable> genisoimage -o test.iso -b /var/tmp/linux/isolinux/isolinux.cfg -c /var/tmp/linux/isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -J -R -V disks .
2412[19:10:06] <AlexPortable> genisoimage: Uh oh, I cant find the boot catalog directory '/var/tmp/linux/isolinux'!
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2422[19:13:15] <jaami> used rufus to make usb bootable for debian 8.7.1-amd64-dvd-1.iso but when i boot system from usb it crash. is it the image i got not right or rufus is not good?
2423[19:13:49] <TomTomTosch> !rufus
2424[19:13:49] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
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2426[19:14:16] <petn-randall> !win32diskimager
2427[19:14:17] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
2428[19:14:26] <petn-randall> jaami: Use this one above ^^^
2429[19:14:33] <jaami> dpkg usb install
2430[19:14:34] <dpkg> You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see replaced-url
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2433[19:15:40] <TomTomTosch> using cp to copy the image to the usb device is the prefered way if you already are on a linux system.
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2435[19:17:04] <unborn> jaami: this one works for me always replaced-url
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2437[19:17:57] <unborn> jaami: dd if=debian.iso of=/path/to/usb bs=100M; sync
2438[19:18:02] <unborn> nice and clean, no issues
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2440[19:18:07] <jaami> TomTomTosch i use win7 to make the usb bootable with rufus. my previous linux usb isnt booting system because yesterday i got my laptop's motherboard replaced. i dont know why change of motherboard is the reason my same usb and same system isnt compatible
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2444[19:19:03] <jaami> unborn is there dd version for windows? can you look for the link?
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2446[19:19:11] <jelly> !win32diskimager
2447[19:19:11] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
2448[19:19:21] <jelly> jaami: ^^
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2450[19:19:48] <unborn> i use dd for converting existing windows install on real machines to img and then img to vdi - so it can be used in virtualbox (confirmed and working)
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2452[19:20:16] <unborn> jaami: uhm windows.. how about win32diskimager
2453[19:20:21] <n3wborn> unborn: good thing to know
2454[19:20:32] <unborn> jaami: replaced-url
2455[19:20:42] <jelly> third time's the charm
2456[19:20:43] <AlexPortable> anyone can help me iwth genisoimage
2457[19:21:11] <jaami> i checked unetbootin and rufus, now need to check win32diskimager as jelly told me. i cannot use dd if only linux version is available
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2459[19:21:38] <unborn> n3wborn: didnt try yet xos but done many windows and linux reall hdd to virtualbox or other virutal instances.. it just works
2460[19:22:00] <jaami> unborn thanks for the link.
2461[19:22:03] <n3wborn> unborn: Cool ! (and I didn't say that to see our nicks side by side ^^)
2462[19:22:04] <unborn> jaami: dont use unetbootin, it could lead to some anomalies in install
2463[19:22:38] <n3wborn> I don't understand why unetbootin may works or not sometimes.
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2465[19:22:55] <n3wborn> unetbootin or other softs
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2467[19:23:02] <jaami> unborn i wont use unetbootin, have to try the link you gave
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2470[19:23:18] <n3wborn> is it bad coded or something ?
2471[19:23:34] <unborn> jaami: that link is mentioned original on that debian page I gave you earlier
2472[19:23:40] <n3wborn> (sorry if offtopic)
2473[19:23:42] <jelly> unetbootin, rufus and some others mangle the contents of images in ways debian-installer does not expect them to
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2475[19:24:18] <n3wborn> jelly: ok
2476[19:24:49] <unborn> jaami: perhaps you can use virtualbox install in your windows with debian on it and then use dd command for creating usbs ;)
2477[19:24:58] <jaami> jelly that must be true, because rufus tricked me into connecting to internet for lame reason of missing syslinux ... i was confused about that
2478[19:25:06] <unborn> or use that win32... whatever is easier for you
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2481[19:25:39] <n3wborn> I thought there is just one good way to copy images, but in fact I may be wrong
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2483[19:25:55] <jaami> unborn i want to boot system on debian and then i will use virtualbox for windows. i dont want to boot my system into windows
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2485[19:26:51] <unborn> n3wborn: cp or dd those works best for me but dd is much more versatile as you can create disk images from anything even physical installs.. basically cloning hdds..
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2487[19:27:03] <jaami> i like debian because its more secure than redhat i used previously for 3 years
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2490[19:28:15] <jelly> a patched-up debian and a patched-up redhat shouldn't differ much in security vulnerability
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2492[19:28:54] <unborn> jaami: yah, that what I've just last night for my client, she wanted to switch to linux but need it to keep outlook as that is what she must use for work.. basically I converted her windows hdd to img with dd and then that img to vdi, install debian, virtualbox, import vdi into new virtuabox machine and done. tested and working.
2493[19:29:00] <n3wborn> unborn: If i have to make live usb to try a distro or install I always use dd, just had troubles doing the same thing to install windows the same way (making a windows usb key)
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2495[19:29:15] <n3wborn> dd rules, for sure
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2498[19:30:21] <missmbob> making windows usbs you need to use something like winusb
2499[19:30:25] <jaami> unborn that is very nice trick. i will try that in future
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2501[19:30:32] <unborn> n3wborn: for dd windows iso - to usb, you should mark usb key as boot (in gparted for example) before dd-ing.. you can create windows bootable usb within windows os and cmd.. thats just normal
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2506[19:31:22] <unborn> all you need is iso file
2507[19:31:24] <gdarko> hello guys
2508[19:31:36] <n3wborn> unborn: I always use fdisk to do that, maybe I did something else wrong...
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2510[19:32:01] <gdarko> i tried to install debian but i need the server version without desktop environment. Where can i find it? When i try to search "ubuntu server" i can download the one but what about debian server?
2511[19:32:18] <jelly> gdarko: it's the same image.
2512[19:32:27] <gdarko> ????
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2514[19:32:32] <gdarko> how it is possible
2515[19:32:43] <jelly> just deselect desktop environment when you come to that point in the installer
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2517[19:33:20] <unborn> n3wborn: i do fdisk -l but I guess that depends whatever preferences you have
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2521[19:33:55] <la_mettrie> is there any handy textmode ftp-client? recommendations?
2522[19:34:03] <jelly> lftp
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2524[19:34:21] <unborn> gdarko: use netinstall and when you come to the part to select what to install, just select ssh and system.. then you can install server bits one by one
2525[19:35:02] <unborn> la_mettrie: perhaps I am wrong.. mc ?
2526[19:35:30] <gdarko> thanks guys
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2528[19:35:40] <gdarko> difference between netinstall and full cd?
2529[19:35:44] <unborn> gdarko: replaced-url
2530[19:36:06] <jelly> gdarko: the only difference is in what's available for an offline installation
2531[19:36:06] <efloid> missmbob: check out this variation: dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}' |sed 's/\s\s*/ /g' |awk '{printf "%-25s %-25s %-25s\n", $1, $2, $4}'
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2533[19:36:21] <unborn> this would give you some idea.. i made that video on ubuntu gdarko but process is same even from windows os
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2537[19:37:01] <unborn> also being on virtualbox or on real server
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2539[19:37:25] <n3wborn> unborn: yes, but 'fdisk -l' only list partitions (to see if it's bootable) but doesn't change anything. By using fdisk I mean 'fdisk /dev/sda' for example, and type commands needed ('a' to make the partition as 'active' if I remember)
2540[19:37:37] <jelly> gdarko: so use netinst if you have a (wired) internet connection available at installation time
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2542[19:38:08] <unborn> n3wborn: that is indeed what I just need to see.. as I said it depends on everyones personal taste ;)
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2547[19:38:41] <n3wborn> unborn: absolutely !
2548[19:39:07] <AlexPortable> genisoimage -o test.iso -b /var/tmp/linux/isolinux/isolinux.cfg -c /var/tmp/linux/isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -J -R -V disks .
2549[19:39:07] <AlexPortable> genisoimage: Uh oh, I cant find the boot catalog directory '/var/tmp/linux/isolinux'!
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2551[19:39:37] <missmbob> efloid: nice
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2554[19:40:53] <hey> Hi guys. Is it possible to install Debian without burning it onto something like an usb or cd ?
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2556[19:41:17] <Guest68636> my PC doesn't let me boot from an usb and I have no empty CD's left
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2558[19:41:40] <towo`> that must be a really old pc
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2560[19:41:57] <Guest68636> actually , its just 2 years old
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2562[19:42:08] <towo`> then it should boot from usb
2563[19:42:12] <Guest68636> I'm not sure why it wont let me do that
2564[19:42:28] <Guest68636> there is the option to boot from USB-HDD , USB-ZIP etc.
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2566[19:42:42] <Guest68636> but it won't boot from it then
2567[19:42:55] <hmuller> what creates the /etc/passwd and /etc/group files?
2568[19:43:16] <unborn> Guest68636: check that option in bios.. also check if you can use legacy instead of uefi boot options
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2570[19:43:42] <Guest68636> I downloaded the netinstall iso. There is an setup.exe file within that iso. Does that work ?
2571[19:44:11] <Guest68636> okay. I'll try that then
2572[19:45:24] <unborn> Guest68636: if boot from external hdd, fdd or anything is enabled then you must let computer before it boots up know that you want to select the device..by pressing some keys what computer is that?
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2574[19:45:55] <unborn> Guest68636: usually is f12 or esc key but some old hps have f9..
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2582[19:49:58] <AlexPortable> genisoimage -o test.iso -b /var/tmp/linux/isolinux/isolinux.cfg -c /var/tmp/linux/isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -J -R -V disks .
2583[19:49:58] <AlexPortable> genisoimage: Uh oh, I cant find the boot catalog directory '/var/tmp/linux/isolinux'!
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2603[19:57:35] <jaami> win32diskimager was used but now when system boot from usb it send me to grub prompt. what is missing to make debian usb?
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2608[19:59:53] <jaami> i think i am missing some important steps, can someone tell me the easiest way to make debian bootable usb?
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2611[20:01:12] <jaami> i use windows. sorry have no other choice at this time. win7 on 64bkt system. used rufus, unetbootin and win32diskimager but none of those worked. look oike the dvd iso is not right.
2612[20:01:42] <jaami> i remember many years ago when i wanted tominstall debian it took me 3 days.
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2614[20:02:00] <jaami> the real reason was t
2615[20:02:42] <jaami> the real problem was that i used windows at that time. and finally i had to use dd on linux.
2616[20:03:38] <jaami> i remeber the last person who helped me was 'jeem' and i guess he was from uk. hahahah... old memories
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2618[20:03:48] <jaami> sorry, Jeep
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2620[20:04:09] <jaami> damn, got stuck again
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2622[20:04:52] <jaami> and really, someone told me tomuse wget instead of other download managers
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2625[20:05:27] <jaami> is it still true that only dd will work for me?
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2632[20:06:23] <jaami> debian and dd is the last and the only option to get debian bootted from usb?
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2636[20:07:44] <unborn> jaami: maybe that iso is corrupted? somewhere somehow while it was downloaded.. perhaps try to re-download it?
2637[20:07:45] <towo`> win32disk imager does work like a charm
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2640[20:07:59] <towo`> it sounds like corrupt download
2641[20:08:08] <towo`> i would check the md5sum
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2645[20:09:02] <jaami> got disconnected from freenode
2646[20:09:10] <edderf> jaami: take a look to rufus too
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2649[20:09:21] <jelly> edderf: no, rufus makes a mess as well
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2652[20:10:14] <jaami> edderf i did try to use rufus, and it was my first try. it dis not work. i dont know why. i thought rufus was the best. but someone told me rufus for debian is not good idea
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2655[20:11:05] <jaami> jelly , the win32diskimager shows me grub prompt
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2658[20:11:44] <jaami> jelly btw, win32diskimager does not accept iso by default
2659[20:11:57] <edderf> cygwin and dd :)
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2661[20:12:07] <jelly> jaami: yes, that is mentioned in the factoid you read
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2663[20:12:13] <towo`> it exist dd for windows
2664[20:12:27] <AlexPortable> genisoimage: Uh oh, I cant find the boot catalog directory '/var/tmp/linux/isolinux'!
2665[20:12:29] <jaami> dd for windows
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2667[20:13:12] <teraflops> edderf: there's no need of cygwin at all, there's already a dd binary for windows, but win32diskimager works perfectly
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2669[20:13:39] <jaami> why it did not work for me
2670[20:13:47] <towo`> check the md5sum
2671[20:13:51] <teraflops> jaami: win32diskimager works for all of us ^
2672[20:13:59] <towo`> the download is propably damaged
2673[20:14:02] <jaami> hmm, strange
2674[20:14:11] <unborn> jaami: maybe that iso is corrupted? somewhere somehow while it was downloaded.. perhaps try to re-download it?
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2677[20:14:20] <AlexPortable> Anyone?
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2679[20:14:27] <jaami> unborn , that see
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2682[20:14:44] <jaami> that i think is the reason, have to download iso again
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2684[20:14:48] <missmbob> jaami: dont use dd for windows. it's not the same. it does break stuff
2685[20:15:15] <jaami> missmbob thanks, i will not use dd for windows.
2686[20:15:28] <jaami> i did not know, thanks
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2688[20:15:38] <awal1> Why leafpad won't copy # symbol?
2689[20:16:02] <awal1> no copy option in pop-up window (right clic)
2690[20:16:22] <awal1> gedit does
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2694[20:17:39] <awal1> mousepad also does
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2733[20:32:44] <LeMike> o,O what did I just read?
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2745[20:38:59] <AlexPortable> genisoimage -o test.iso -b /var/tmp/linux/isolinux/isolinux.cfg -c /var/tmp/linux/isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -J -R -V disks .
2746[20:38:59] <AlexPortable> genisoimage: Uh oh, I cant find the boot catalog directory '/var/tmp/linux/isolinux'!
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2748[20:39:11] <petterw> still wondering what the difference between the "mac" testing netinst iso and the normal amd64 is, if anyone knows
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2777[20:49:15] <helphelp> anyone here think they can help me with an issue trying to recover files off an encrypted drive
2778[20:49:30] <helphelp> i have btc handy for a generous tip if I can get this to work
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2781[20:49:48] <helphelp> spent a day on this already and want to know if my drive is dead or not at least
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2783[20:51:03] <dontknow> helphelp, you can access encrypted drive's content?
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2785[20:51:29] <dontknow> or it is not mounted
2786[20:51:31] <eb0t> hey is the testing version called stretch
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2789[20:51:33] <helphelp> dontknow: I can see my user's folder, and after that all I get it: ERROR: Encrypted private directory is not setup properly
2790[20:51:38] <Vizva> <helphelp> you can open it luksopen?
2791[20:51:58] <eb0t> if anyone is running stretch what are any issues that i should expect to encounter
2792[20:52:03] <helphelp> vizva: I get prompted to enter my encrypted drives password upon bootup on a liveusb
2793[20:52:08] <missmbob> eb0t: yes
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2795[20:52:19] <missmbob> !tell eb0t about debian-next
2796[20:52:22] <helphelp> Vizva: I am running linux mint, but I have debian open, using 2 computer right now
2797[20:52:25] <Vizva> i will never get a device for help you
2798[20:52:47] <helphelp> Vizva: i have the harddrive in question connected via usb to sata connection
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2801[20:53:30] <Vizva> photorec
2802[20:53:38] <Vizva> you could use this tool on it
2803[20:53:44] <helphelp> dontknow: As I was saying, I was able to enter my encrypted drive password, but then the only 2 files inside the encrypted user's folder are: Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop README.txt
2804[20:53:45] <AlexPortable> genisoimage -o test.iso -b /var/tmp/linux/isolinux/isolinux.cfg -c /var/tmp/linux/isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -J -R -V disks .
2805[20:53:45] <AlexPortable> genisoimage: Uh oh, I cant find the boot catalog directory '/var/tmp/linux/isolinux'!
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2807[20:53:55] <Vizva> thats all- only care about files on it
2808[20:54:01] <siiky> i was updating my pc right now and got the `Sector 32 is already in use by the program `FlexNet'; avoiding it.` error. After googling a bit it seems to be related to windows, but Debian is the only OS installed right now. Is there a reason to worry?
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2810[20:54:04] * zykotick9 would be surprised if photorec can do anything with encrypted partitions/folders...
2811[20:54:15] <siiky> s/error/warning/
2812[20:54:16] <helphelp> Vizva: are you suggesting I use photorec?
2813[20:54:22] <Vizva> zykotick9 if you luksopen it yes
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2815[20:54:41] <helphelp> Vizva: at this point, I only really care about the files
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2817[20:54:47] <zykotick9> Vizva: ok?!?!
2818[20:54:55] <missmbob> AlexPortable: have you tried ##linux ?
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2820[20:55:16] <helphelp> Vizva: if you can suggest how to use photorec and guide me through, I can give it a shot on debian
2821[20:55:23] <Vizva> helphelp you want to bring back a system to live?
2822[20:55:39] <Vizva> no i will not
2823[20:55:43] <Vizva> sorry :)
2824[20:55:48] <Vizva> there are good howtos
2825[20:55:50] <helphelp> Vizva: at this point I'll just take the files off and start from scratch, as I don't care about booting
2826[20:55:55] <Vizva> its only a suggestion
2827[20:56:12] <Vizva> yes take the files and start fron scratch
2828[20:56:24] <Vizva> and on my opinion dont offer a device for help
2829[20:56:29] <helphelp> Vizva: no worries, I will look up photorec, and judging by what I said, even if I can't see the files inside my user foler, but can unecrypt the drive, I should be able to do it?
2830[20:56:40] <Vizva> we help for help like your nick help and not to get anything
2831[20:56:45] <dontknow> but you are saying you see only two files. it is not the real content of drive
2832[20:56:58] <AlexPortable> missmbob: no, will do
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2834[20:57:09] <helphelp> dontknow: yes I only see those 2 files, and I'm not sure if the paritition is corrupted
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2836[20:57:36] <Vizva> <helphelp> photorec can search for the files on it, if theyre important , there is a goal
2837[20:57:47] <Vizva> but first luksopen it
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2839[20:58:16] <helphelp> Vizva: okay is luksopen a default on debian
2840[20:58:24] <helphelp> Vizva: or should I apt-get it
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2843[20:59:14] <Vizva> i think yes
2844[20:59:26] <Vizva> there is another porgram where photorec is under
2845[20:59:33] <Vizva> testdisk maybe
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2847[20:59:47] <dontknow> helphelp, have you tried with another live distro?
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2849[21:00:08] <helphelp> dontknow: No I haven't, but I got an issue when trying to open the drive on debian
2850[21:00:22] <helphelp> dontknow: let me pop it in there and give you the exact error
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2856[21:02:06] <helphelp> dontknow: pastebin.com/vHMjEurT
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2860[21:02:36] <helphelp> Vizva: this is my output when trying to unlock it on debian - pastebin.com/vHMjEurT
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2864[21:03:00] <pepp> ciao
2865[21:03:05] <pepp> !list
2866[21:03:05] <dpkg> pepp: vedi replaced-url
2867[21:03:11] <dontknow> helphelp, i can't enter that site because of censor right now. could you paste there
2868[21:03:22] <dontknow> replaced-url
2869[21:03:43] <Vizva> helphelp
2870[21:03:46] <pepp> replaced-url
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2872[21:04:00] <Vizva> replaced-url
2873[21:04:10] <helphelp> dontknow: An error occurred while accessing '232.4 GiB Encrypted Drive', the system responded: An unspecified error has occurred: No such interface 'org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Filesystem' on object at path /org/freedesktop/UDisks2/block_devices/dm_2d4
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2875[21:04:19] <pepp> replaced-url
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2877[21:04:39] <helphelp> replaced-url
2878[21:04:42] <helphelp> Vizva: replaced-url
2879[21:04:45] <helphelp> dontknow: replaced-url
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2881[21:05:31] <Vizva> helphelp Christophe GRENIER said there
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2883[21:05:45] <Vizva> PhotoRec (testdisk package or qphotorec for the GUI) can recover lost files from an unlocked encrypted LUKS filesystem. Instead of selecting the LUKS partition (ie. /dev/sda2), select the unlocked device (ie. /dev/mapper/home)
2884[21:06:04] <helphelp> Vizva: okay I will download that and try it out
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2886[21:06:27] <dontknow> Vizva, but helphelp can't open encrypted drive
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2888[21:06:50] <helphelp> dontknow: it's weird I can see inside of it on my Linux mint liveusb
2889[21:07:04] <helphelp> dontknow: but my user's folder only has those 2 files
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2891[21:07:17] <Vizva> dontknow ok i read it
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2897[21:08:50] <Vizva> <helphelp> you have important files inside?
2898[21:09:04] <helphelp> Vizva: I have a backup from 2 months ago, but I will be losing some files
2899[21:09:23] <helphelp> Vizva: somewhat important files that would save me a lot of time if I was able to recover some
2900[21:09:33] <Vizva> if not important start new and use another install scheme this time
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2903[21:10:42] <Vizva> replaced-url
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2905[21:11:05] <Vizva> <helphelp> read any page there and maybe you could find a help for it
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2908[21:11:48] <Vizva> or youcan use google.com instead
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2910[21:14:03] <helphelp> Vizva: I'm looking into what you provided so Ill see what I can work out
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2914[21:15:56] <lord_daemon> Does anyone know any free ddns?
2915[21:16:29] <AlexPortable> genisoimage -o test.iso -b /var/tmp/linux/isolinux/isolinux.cfg -c /var/tmp/linux/isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -J -R -V disks .
2916[21:16:29] <AlexPortable> genisoimage: Uh oh, I cant find the boot catalog directory '/var/tmp/linux/isolinux'!
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2922[21:18:35] <dontknow> helphelp, did you try with "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdx whatever" "mount /dev/mapper/whatever /mnt" and look at /mnt
2923[21:19:37] <helphelp> dontknow: I will try that right now
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2925[21:19:53] <hmuller> the base-passwd package maintains the master password and group files, but how are they initially installed onto the system? i.e. how do /etc/(passwd|group) get there?
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2931[21:20:41] <helphelp> dontknow: ill brb gonna restart my computer
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2939[21:26:46] <mint> dontknow: this is me helphelp
2940[21:27:03] <dontknow> mint, did you tried
2941[21:27:21] <mint> dontknow: can you repaste that last message you sent me
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2944[21:27:39] <dontknow> did you try with "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdx whatever" "mount /dev/mapper/whatever /mnt" and look at /mnt
2945[21:27:53] <dontknow> x is hhd's letter
2946[21:28:19] <mint> dontknow: okay give me a min let me give it a shot
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2949[21:31:41] <mint> dontknow: it shows it as sdb1, however when I just use : sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb1
2950[21:31:52] <mint> dontknow: I get Device /dev/sdb1 is not a valid LUKS device.
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2956[21:33:36] <mint> dontknow: wrong partition trying again
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2964[21:37:20] <dontknow> use exactly this command (except x) "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdx whatever" you should enter "whatever" too
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2968[21:38:33] <mint> dontknow: mint@mint ~ $ mount /dev/mapper/luks-e571b1d5-05c6-48ac-88c1-da41e03db7c4
2969[21:38:33] <mint> mount: can't find /dev/mapper/luks-e571b1d5-05c6-48ac-88c1-da41e03db7c4 in /etc/fstab
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2971[21:39:28] <dontknow> mint, "mount /dev/mapper/luks-e571b1d5-05c6-48ac-88c1-da41e03db7c4 /mnt"
2972[21:40:01] <mint> dontknow: mint@mint ~ $ sudo mount /dev/mapper/luks-e571b1d5-05c6-48ac-88c1-da41e03db7c4 /mnt
2973[21:40:01] <mint> mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'
2974[21:40:01] <mint> mint@mint ~ $
2975[21:40:46] <mint> dontknow: am I fucked?
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2977[21:40:59] <tw> mint run vgscan
2978[21:41:11] <dontknow> mint, your encrypted drive is lvm?
2979[21:41:26] <mint> dontknow: i believe so
2980[21:41:32] <tw> sounds like he got the luks part decrypted but it's LVM on that.
2981[21:41:36] <mint> tw: okay ill give it a shot
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2983[21:41:45] <mint> tw: yes that is correct I believe
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2986[21:42:13] <mint> tw: mint@mint ~ $ sudo vgscan
2987[21:42:13] <mint> Reading all physical volumes. This may take a while...
2988[21:42:13] <mint> Found volume group "mint-vg" using metadata type lvm2
2989[21:42:13] <mint> mint@mint ~ $
2990[21:42:14] *** mint was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
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2993[21:42:48] <dontknow> lol
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2995[21:43:11] <mint> tw: got kicked, will use paste.debian.net next time
2996[21:43:30] <mint> dontknow: so I have to decrypt LVM?
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2998[21:43:59] <mint> tw: replaced-url
2999[21:44:04] <tw> mint: your vg is setup now, use lvs to look at individual devices. the lvm blocks should be in /dev/mapper/(VGNAME)-(LVNAME) and you can mount that.
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3003[21:45:32] <dontknow> yeah something like that. i am not good at lvm
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3005[21:45:46] <mint> tw: still a noob, what's lvs
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3010[21:46:28] <tw> mint: a command. just run it.
3011[21:46:41] <tw> mint: or lsblk --fs
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3013[21:47:14] <mint> tw: replaced-url
3014[21:47:19] <mint> tw: does that look right?
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3019[21:48:23] <dontknow> mint, mount /dev/mapper/mint--vg-root /mnt
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3025[21:49:56] <mint> dontknow: I did, should I be able to see everything in the /mnt folder now?
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3027[21:50:06] <dontknow> mint, look at it
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3033[21:52:05] <mint> dontknow: this is all i still get- mint@mint /mnt/home $ sudo ls noob
3034[21:52:05] <mint> Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop README.txt
3035[21:52:20] <mint> dontknow: all i see in my user's folder is those 2 files
3036[21:52:21] <tw> your homedir is also encrypted.
3037[21:52:27] <mint> tw: yes thats right
3038[21:52:38] <mint> tw: how can I decrypt it?
3039[21:52:44] <tw> read the README. I don't remember.
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3041[21:53:01] <tw> It has to do with pam_mount and probably ecryptfs.
3042[21:53:10] <tw> but I am not good with those.
3043[21:53:20] <mint> tw: mint@mint /mnt/home $ ecryptfs-mount-private
3044[21:53:20] <mint> ERROR: Encrypted private directory is not setup properly
3045[21:53:28] <mint> tw: so am I fucked now
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3047[21:53:39] <dontknow> mint, good luck with that
3048[21:53:46] <tw> mint: sudo chroot /mnt /bin/bash
3049[21:53:49] <tw> then try again
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3052[21:54:24] <tw> may need to sudo mount -t proc none /mnt/proc
3053[21:54:36] <tw> but I don't know for sure how much of an environment ecryptfs requires
3054[21:54:37] <mint> tw: replaced-url
3055[21:54:46] <mint> tw: let me try that command
3056[21:55:08] <tw> Uh. is this from a different architecture?
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3058[21:55:23] <tw> like x86 vs amd64?
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3060[21:55:29] <tw> or worse ARM?
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3062[21:55:36] <mint> tw: hmmm, no I thought it was amd64
3063[21:55:56] <mint> tw: this was encrypted from linux mint
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3065[21:56:06] <mint> tw: pretty sure it was 64 anyway
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3067[21:56:25] <mint> tw: replaced-url
3068[21:56:26] <Vizva> mint this encrypted device is a lvm too?
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3071[21:56:53] <mint> Vizva: I believe so, it may have set an encrypted home folder when I created it 6 months ago
3072[21:57:10] <mint> Vizva: I believe the installer asked me to encrypt my home folder too
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3077[21:57:34] <dontknow> no it is home folder like tw said. it is not lvm
3078[21:57:51] <Vizva> mint you can run this system now ?
3079[21:58:08] <mint> Vizva: no that's why I was trying to scrape the files off of it
3080[21:58:09] <tw> He's got the root block device decrypted; he just needs to get the ecryptfs to decrypt.
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3082[21:58:34] <mint> tw: yeah I think that's what needs to happen, as I believe my home folder was decrypted too
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3085[21:59:06] <mint> tw: my home folder wan encrypted too ***
3086[21:59:10] <Vizva> mint if you start the system whats the rror message, you provide this up there?
3087[21:59:11] <mint> was**
3088[21:59:30] <mint> Vizva: It must have had an incorrect shutdown yesterday at some point, I get a kernel panick error
3089[21:59:50] <mint> Vizva: replaced-url
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3091[22:00:13] <mint> Vizva: it's mint, so I didnt want to burden you guys since this is a debian channel and the mint irc wasn't too helpful with the issue
3092[22:00:29] <mint> Vizva: figured I'd just try to get the files off at least and switch everything to debian
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3095[22:00:50] <Vizva> mint you did try start it again with same error ?
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3101[22:01:20] <mint> Vizva: yeah tried a bunch of different methods to boot it, would always freeze up, either through recovery options, or upstart
3102[22:01:33] <missmbob> mint you had backups, right? because not having backups on encrypted shit is pretty funny
3103[22:02:07] <mint> missmbob: have a backup from 2 months ago... I'm not losing a ton, just would like to see if there was a way to get this solved
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3106[22:02:33] <mint> missmbob: i know I suck right now, I should be backing up at least weekly, guess I put too much faith in technology sometimes
3107[22:02:39] <mint> missmbob: and get lazy
3108[22:02:48] <dontknow> mint, good news you are not fucked up actually. bad news you just need the find the correct solution
3109[22:02:49] <tw> mint: for the sake of my curiosity, can you exit the chroot (ie with `exit`) then `uname -a` and `file /mnt/usr/bin/ecryptfs-mount-private`
3110[22:03:09] <teraflops> if you have unencrypted backups of encrypted shit what's the point?
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3112[22:03:22] <mint> teraflops: backups are encrypted on an external
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3114[22:03:33] <teraflops> ah good
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3116[22:03:55] <mint> teraflops: yes my man
3117[22:04:00] <mint> tw: will give that a shot
3118[22:04:13] <mint> dontknow: i hope so, you guys are being too kind over here
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3120[22:05:09] <mint> tw: replaced-url
3121[22:06:30] <Vizva> cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb5 backup
3122[22:06:45] <hmuller> replaced-url
3123[22:06:49] <Vizva> whats the output on this?
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3125[22:07:23] <mint> Vizva: mint@mint /mnt/home $ cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb5 backup
3126[22:07:23] <mint> Device /dev/sdb5 doesn't exist or access denied.
3127[22:07:23] <mint> mint@mint /mnt/home $
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3129[22:08:01] <Vizva> <mint> you can reach the /etc directory?
3130[22:08:11] <Vizva> its not encrypted>?
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3133[22:08:37] <mint> Vizva: yes I don't think it's encrypted
3134[22:08:44] <mint> hmuller: I will look this over as well
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3136[22:08:49] <tw> I don't know why ecryptfs-mount-private would show up as "data" unless you don't have permissions to read it. That's a mystery. I was expecting like ELF <something something>
3137[22:08:59] <Vizva> then you can take out things on /etc/crypttab and /etc/fstab
3138[22:09:10] <mint> tw: ughhhhh
3139[22:09:50] <mint> Vizva: damn, don't see those...
3140[22:09:51] <Vizva> ok there is a command to automatically search for ecryptfs-mount-private directorys
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3143[22:10:20] <Vizva> too
3144[22:10:42] * zykotick9 wonders does cryptsetup need root permissions?
3145[22:10:57] <tw> it does, but he's at ecryptfs recovery now.
3146[22:11:09] <Vizva> <mint> the kernel panic is your root system and things
3147[22:11:21] <Vizva> but you need the private directory
3148[22:11:24] <hmuller> because it plays with dm mappinng
3149[22:11:30] <mint> Vizva: yeah I'm assuming something got corrupted when it shut down and know this is why it all happened
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3151[22:11:37] <zykotick9> tw: it was the "$ cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb5 backup" followd by "access denied" that i was concerned about...
3152[22:11:53] <Vizva> <mint> so you can build this private partition into a new system
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3154[22:12:46] <mint> Vizva: yes those two sections you provided, when googling, people said that I could use parts from fstab and cryptsetup to decrypt by builing a new system
3155[22:12:59] <mint> Vizva: however when looking at my backup, all I have is my user folder
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3157[22:13:21] <Vizva> mint install a new system but best take whats the old system is
3158[22:13:31] <Vizva> if it was mint take mint
3159[22:13:39] <mint> zykotick9: does it seem corrupted?
3160[22:13:55] <Vizva> then use that crypttab and fstab for and youre finished it
3161[22:13:58] <zykotick9> mint: I have NO idea!!!
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3163[22:14:01] <mint> zykotick9: i didnt do any updates before the computer was shutdown, and then on the new startup is when all this madness started happening
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3165[22:14:28] <mint> zykotick9: yeah I know, this is appearing to be a very peculiar error
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3167[22:14:52] <zykotick9> mint: personally, i don't trust/like the whole "encrypted directory" option... personally i use FDE with luks myself...
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3169[22:15:02] <tw> he's doing both.
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3171[22:15:23] <zykotick9> tw: which is NOT a good idea. lots of performance loss for little or no gain :|
3172[22:15:42] <mint> zykotick9: yeah i wont be doing this in the future, I followed the mint setup and it asked to encrypt the home directory, and not knowing too much said, what the hell
3173[22:16:09] <mint> zykotick9: when setting up my new debian system I dont believe I encrypted my home directory, as I read about performance loss
3174[22:16:24] <zykotick9> mint: call it a "learning experience" ;) best of luck.
3175[22:16:53] <Vizva> i encrypt my whole system but i have backups on a encrypted drive and i have a second encrypted system to start with reaching my lvm and disks, doing this solution, they have near the same fstab and crypttab
3176[22:16:54] <tw> zykotick9: it increases the at-rest time for critical data. I do it for certain user roles, but not for most things.
3177[22:16:55] <mint> zykotick9: does encrypting the home directory even provide more security?
3178[22:17:35] <zykotick9> mint: if the entire drive is already encrypted... very little <- is _my_ understanding
3179[22:17:37] <missmbob> only if a user finds an exploit to access another user's home dir. not too likely
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3188[22:20:16] <tw> the point of ecryptfs is the data is not online when the user is logged out. This does a really good job preventing cross-user access, even from root.
3189[22:20:25] <tw> it doesn't make sense on a laptop, but it might for a server.
3190[22:20:47] <mint> tw: ah well what do you think the final verdict is here?
3191[22:20:47] <zykotick9> tw: thanks. that is a good point.
3192[22:21:02] <mint> Without a complete backup somewhere else is this useless?
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3194[22:21:31] <Vizva> mint its only work and know what to do
3195[22:21:32] <mint> tw: I dont have the entire system backed up, just my user's folder
3196[22:21:50] <mint> Vizva: yeah but I dont have a backup of /etc/ as far as I can see
3197[22:21:52] <tw> You should currently have access to all the other data on the system except your user's home folder.
3198[22:22:11] <tw> So I'm guessing you have everything at this point.
3199[22:22:11] <Vizva> mint you dont need a backup if you have that partition or drive
3200[22:22:55] <mint> tw: well i have a backup of my user's folder ,but its about 2 months old
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3203[22:23:18] <mint> tw: if I had the most recent backup i wouldnt be bothering you kind folks to try to retrieve this stuff
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3205[22:23:29] <mint> Vizva: let me look more closely again
3206[22:23:58] <Vizva> mint install another system and the you bind that lost /home into it , maybe as another name
3207[22:24:01] <mint> Vizva: I still don't see those
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3209[22:24:16] <Vizva> but dont install the same place
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3211[22:24:34] <mint> Vizva: but I don't see those two folders you mentioned earlier
3212[22:24:37] <Vizva> mint you add this disk to another linux system , is that correct?
3213[22:24:40] <tw> mint: there was a link provided about manually recovering ecryptfs. I've never done it. You'll have to try that because your ecryptfs-mount-private binary appears broken. replaced-url
3214[22:25:09] <mint> tw: okay, let me read that more thoroughly
3215[22:25:40] <Vizva> mint yes i see its a part of the encrypted disk
3216[22:25:47] <mint> tw: In the event that you did not write down your mount passphrase, you may be able to recover it by decrypting the file /home/username/.ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase using your login passphrase.
3217[22:25:52] <mint> tw: is that what I need to do?
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3219[22:26:37] <Vizva> mint one suggestion : install kvpm on you system including this disk and in a terminal write some lvm commands , can show up what it can find
3220[22:27:07] <Vizva> vgscan and things
3221[22:27:50] <Vizva> on point it come vgchange -ay
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3223[22:28:02] <Vizva> read and learn about this commands
3224[22:28:30] <tw> mint: your passphrase is most likely your user password.
3225[22:29:04] <mint> yeah tried it, and got: Error: Unwrapping passphrase failed [-2]
3226[22:29:04] <mint> Info: Check the system log for more information from libecryptfs
3227[22:29:13] <mint> tw: even though that was the correct password
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3229[22:29:43] <Vizva> isnt the kernel in /boot?
3230[22:30:24] <Vizva> mint you could reach the boot and repair that thing
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3233[22:30:46] <mint> Vizva: yes the kernel should be in boot
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3236[22:31:04] <Vizva> maybe if you add another kernel
3237[22:31:17] <mint> Vizva: yeah i had 3 kernels in there, and tried them all and they all gave the same error
3238[22:31:32] <mint> Vizva: when trying to boot i selected every advanced option in there
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3240[22:32:47] <Vizva> and try to fsck this partition include that boot
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3252[22:37:38] <mint> Vizva: okay so you want me to reinstall the system
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3256[22:39:08] <Vizva> mint best is try to bring that kernel to live
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3260[22:39:53] <Vizva> mint yes did you try to chroot it ?
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3262[22:41:05] <missmbob> how will chroot help his wrapped password error?
3263[22:41:19] <missmbob> this is getting silly. forget about it
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3266[22:42:44] <mint> missmbob: am i dead
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3269[22:43:37] <missmbob> yes. go get drunk and watch football
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3272[22:44:55] <Vizva> missbomb its because he reach the system from a wrong side
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3276[22:45:49] <Vizva> if you chroot you are using the kernel on the new system
3277[22:45:54] <Vizva> you should know that
3278[22:46:10] <Vizva> and mount everything
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3283[22:47:05] <Vizva> <mint> install the very same system on a free space and chroot it
3284[22:47:16] <Vizva> that'will work
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3286[22:47:31] <Vizva> the kernel run then on the new system and all the other things get mounted
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3288[22:48:11] <Vizva> then copy out all data you need and use another system
3289[22:48:17] <missmbob> Vizva: he's left a bit ago. you should know that.
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3291[22:48:44] <Vizva> i could know if
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3293[22:48:57] <Vizva> but my solution was correct
3294[22:49:10] <tw> he tried to do exactly that.
3295[22:49:43] <Vizva> but youre not sure he did it the correct way
3296[22:49:54] <tw> i'm pretty sure there was hdd corruption.
3297[22:50:10] <missmbob> that's my bet.
3298[22:50:14] <missmbob> anyway, the end.
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3300[22:50:39] <Vizva> ok thank you for providing me with all the details i did miss :)
3301[22:50:52] <Vizva> i have a wife here she needs my attention too sometimes
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3303[22:51:23] <Vizva> so i dont read some things , i cannt be that fast
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3332[23:09:16] <Deific> Hello?
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3351[23:20:08] <Helliana> Will testing freeze today like the timeline shows?
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3353[23:21:00] <Testingz> !Sources
3354[23:21:01] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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3371[23:28:04] <themill> Helliana: yes
3372[23:28:31] <Helliana> sweet. I hadn't seen any news about it, was wonder if it was still happening or delayed.
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3376[23:30:33] <jpw> mega exciting
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3378[23:30:49] <Helliana> always!
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3383[23:32:33] <jpw> every release i keep telling myself i should contribute, every release goes by with inaction
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3385[23:32:54] <jpw> other than irc questions
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3400[23:39:00] <Deific> Then you are contributing, jpw :)
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3408[23:41:19] <jpw> i could offer so much more though.
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3410[23:41:34] <jpw> gotta admit the debian community is somewhat daunting
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3419[23:42:38] <gr8> about when can i expect Debian 9 to be released?
3420[23:43:11] <jpw> gr8 it'll probably be another 6 months at least
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3422[23:43:24] <gr8> really?
3423[23:43:31] <gr8> damn
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3426[23:44:03] <jpw> replaced-url
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3429[23:44:20] <jpw> (after feature lock)
3430[23:44:42] <TomTomTosch> jpw: just go for it. replaced-url
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3441[23:48:25] <themill> Helliana: lists.debian.org/<20170205222956.tgkvf222frsmsj7j@powdarrmonkey.net>
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3453[23:53:38] <_0xbadc0de> help on 3d stuff, anyone?
3454[23:53:53] <_0xbadc0de> glxinfo gives fucked up output here
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3456[23:55:51] <jpw> _0xbadc0de: how fucked up we talking?
3457[23:56:17] <_0xbadc0de> replaced-url
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3459[23:56:40] <_0xbadc0de> I have followed this all mighty tutorial
3460[23:56:41] <_0xbadc0de> replaced-url
3461[23:56:48] <missmbob> !kali
3462[23:56:48] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
3463[23:56:57] <jpw> _0xbadc0de: what card do you have?
3464[23:57:15] <_0xbadc0de> Nvidia geforce GT 635M
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3466[23:58:15] <jpw> _0xbadc0de: any onboard cards? and output of `lspci` pls
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3468[23:58:45] <_0xbadc0de> onboard idk but probably so, because this one of them laptops that has the option to save charge
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3470[23:59:20] <missmbob> please ask #kali-linux so we can stay on topic here
3471[23:59:27] <themill> dpkg: tell _0xbadc0de about cross-post
3472[23:59:45] <themill> (and as missmbob said, the other channel is the right one)
3473[23:59:52] <_0xbadc0de> dpkg: tell themill about africa starvation problem
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