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1 [00:00:12] <squigz> Sorry, I'm not knowledgeable in memory and proccess and whatnot
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7 [00:00:57] <sts> are there any debian vagrant images which 'just boot'? (so including the virtualbox tools)
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10 [00:01:25] <sts> *stretch - i forgot to add.
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16 [00:05:27] <Redfoxmoon> Is the old homepage for dash down and gone for good, or is it just temporarily down?
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21 [00:06:13] <aypea[1]> hi. what package name would I give to reportbug to report a problem with the installer?
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23 [00:06:55] <aypea[1]> debian-installer ?
24 [00:07:43] <aypea[1]> hrm
25 [00:07:49] <aypea[1]> nope
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27 [00:08:28] <Iridos> yes
28 [00:08:28] <teraflops> aypea[1]: replaced-url
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34 [00:12:24] <aypea[1]> teraflops: thanks. led me to seeing that someone already reported the same asstertion failure.
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36 [00:12:46] <aypea[1]> in 2014! whoa
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44 [00:14:51] <aypea[1]> and... woo. same result. UI hang
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50 [00:17:35] <aypea[1]> and installer's useless now. bloop.
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54 [00:19:29] <teraflops> aypea[1]: if you really cannot use the installer because a bug, try deboostrap I think
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57 [00:20:24] <aypea[1]> teraflops: don't know yet. this is the first time I've hit something like this. just rebooted and am going to play a bit more with it
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60 [00:24:01] <aypea[1]> good god. I remmebered how to set up a vlan with the ip command. my brain must be /so/ broken.
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102 [00:43:35] <tw> Is there a command I can use to revoke or expire user-logon keys in the kernel keyring after they have left my session?
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105 [00:44:05] <tw> In (overly verbose) example: replaced-url
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140 [01:06:25] <Hijiri> I'm having an issue with X (I think)
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142 [01:06:51] <Hijiri> the desktop manager never starts, and if I open htop Xorg displays as being stuck in disk sleep
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144 [01:07:16] <Hijiri> actually the manager shows as having started but the graphical session doesn't display (?)
145 [01:07:44] <Hijiri> If I try to use startx to start a new session from a virtual terminal the display hangs and I have to force reboot
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147 [01:08:17] <Hijiri> every so often I get messages that a kworker and Xorg blocked for a really long time
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149 [01:11:02] <Hijiri> here is some extended output from dmesg replaced-url
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151 [01:12:34] <rdz> hey all. is there way to disable logging for a specific systemd service unit?
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153 [01:13:13] <aypea[1]> but... everybody loves log!
154 [01:14:11] <Hijiri> I can do things other than graphical things, for example ssh into the machine and use irc
155 [01:15:20] <Hijiri> oh yeah, lspci also hangs
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157 [01:15:26] <Hijiri> If I try to do it
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160 [01:16:04] <Hijiri> some problem with virtual filesystem?
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162 [01:16:33] <aypea[1]> sounds more like a h/w issue (or a weird driver issue)
163 [01:16:41] <Hijiri> shouldn't lspci still work?
164 [01:16:48] <Hijiri> and not hang forever?
165 [01:16:54] <aypea[1]> not if it can't query your h/w
166 [01:17:00] <Hijiri> a
167 [01:17:10] <Hijiri> how do I figure out what's wrong?
168 [01:17:20] <aypea[1]> how often does this happen?
169 [01:17:27] <aypea[1]> does it happen on an idle box?
170 [01:17:30] <Hijiri> It only happened now
171 [01:17:35] <Hijiri> it happens as soon as I boot
172 [01:17:42] <Hijiri> it didn't happen before now though
173 [01:17:51] <aypea[1]> does it happen if you boot without X?
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175 [01:18:00] <Hijiri> how do I boot without X?
176 [01:18:06] <Hijiri> Also this started happening after losing power unsafely
177 [01:18:14] <aypea[1]> ah
178 [01:18:32] <aypea[1]> possible damage from unhappy electrons.
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180 [01:18:50] <aypea[1]> try booting into single user mode
181 [01:19:12] <Hijiri> is that just the recovery mode option in grub or do I need to do something else?
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183 [01:19:20] <aypea[1]> that'll do
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186 [01:19:49] <Hijiri> I'm going to connect from webclient because I'm using the irc client from the problem machine
187 [01:20:06] <aypea[1]> ok
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189 [01:21:21] <Hijiri-webby> ok, I've restarted in recovery mode
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192 [01:22:06] <Hijiri-webby> but it's still trying to boot with X
193 [01:22:13] <Hijiri-webby> maybe I pressed something wrong when it was booting
194 [01:22:37] <aypea[1]> yeah that doesn't sound right
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196 [01:23:38] <Hijiri-webby> is there another way to boot in single user mode
197 [01:24:00] <Hijiri-webby> or I could look it up
198 [01:24:05] <aypea[1]> edit the grub entry in the grub boot menu, find the line for the kernel, add 'single' at the end and boot
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201 [01:25:12] <jjholt> is there a way to force a process to use a specific core?
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203 [01:26:40] <Hijiri-webby> it says cannot open access to console the root account is locked
204 [01:26:51] <abrotman> jjholt: cpuset ?
205 [01:27:25] <aypea[1]> hijiri: you can't use your root passwd?
206 [01:27:35] <Hijiri-webby> I think I removed the root password, do I need to set one?
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208 [01:27:48] <aypea[1]> hijiri: try just hitting enter
209 [01:28:05] <Hijiri-webby> If I hit enter it goes to the normal login prompt
210 [01:28:16] <Hijiri-webby> and then Xorg is already started
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212 [01:28:20] <Hijiri-webby> (and stuck)
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214 [01:28:30] <aypea[1]> sounds like a root passwd would be of use
215 [01:28:58] <Hijiri-webby> ok
216 [01:29:03] <Hijiri-webby> time for more rebootings
217 [01:30:11] <jjholt> abrotman, thanks
218 [01:30:18] <Hijiri-webby> aypea[1]: alright, I'm in with single user mode
219 [01:30:21] <Hijiri-webby> and no Xorg
220 [01:30:40] <Hijiri-webby> and whoops I froze it by trying to do lspci, I'll reboot again
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222 [01:31:26] <Hijiri-webby> alright, I'm back in
223 [01:31:49] <aypea[1]> if you do find /sys does it still freeze?
224 [01:32:09] <Hijiri-webby> nope
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226 [01:33:39] <aypea[1]> hmm
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233 [01:35:02] <aypea[1]> hijiri: try more /sys/devices/pci*/*/uevent
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235 [01:35:08] <aypea[1]> and go through them one by one
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240 [01:37:14] <Hijiri-webby> aypea[1]: got through them all without crashing
241 [01:37:44] <aypea[1]> hijiri: ok. in /sus/devices/ is ther eonly one pci* dir?
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243 [01:38:07] <Hijiri-webby> yeah, only one
244 [01:38:13] <aypea[1]> hijiri: cd into that
245 [01:38:18] <Hijiri-webby> ok
246 [01:38:38] <Hijiri-webby> I've cd'd into it
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249 [01:39:10] <aypea[1]> hijiri: run: for i in [0-9]*; do cat $i/uevent; lspci -s $i; read -p "Continue?"; done
250 [01:39:22] <aypea[1]> hit enter at the continue prompt :)
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252 [01:40:13] <Hijiri-webby> just hit enter until something happens (or nothing happens)?
253 [01:40:25] <aypea[1]> either it'll go to the next device or freeze :)
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255 [01:40:36] <Hijiri-webby> I didn't freeze
256 [01:40:39] <Hijiri-webby> got through them all
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260 [01:41:05] <tw> Regarding my kernel keyring issue, it looks like there's some refcounting in the disk cache that won't let me drop the key as my session ends. If I flush the cache (echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop/caches), my user-logon key frees itself. That kind of makes tying crypto to the process session kind of useless.
261 [01:41:53] <aypea[1]> hijiri: hrm. lemme ponder a bit
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263 [01:43:10] <abrotman> !nodm
264 [01:43:11] <dpkg> Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
265 [01:43:11] <Hijiri-webby> aypea[1]: alright, also thanks for the help so far
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267 [01:45:32] <aypea[1]> hijiri: try the loop again in /sys/bus/pci/devices
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269 [01:45:46] <Hijiri-webby> alright
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271 [01:46:19] <Hijiri-webby> ah
272 [01:46:22] <Hijiri-webby> froze on nouveau
273 [01:46:33] <aypea[1]> aha
274 [01:46:39] <aypea[1]> do you have a spare gfx card?
275 [01:46:40] <_raynold_> in #bash
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277 [01:46:52] <Hijiri-webby> it's an extra card, it's a laptop
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281 [01:46:59] <aypea[1]> ooo
282 [01:47:04] <Hijiri-webby> I actually don't use it ever so it's ok if I disable it
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287 [01:47:16] <Guest21446> i somehome accidentally uninstalled my entire boot partition on jessie
288 [01:47:16] <aypea[1]> Hijiri-webby: give that a shot
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290 [01:47:26] <Hijiri-webby> how do I disable it?
291 [01:47:42] <nmschulte> Does xbacklight work w/ the modesetting video driver on Intel (skylake) hardware?
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294 [01:47:50] <aypea[1]> Hijiri-webby: that's beyond me. never had a laptop with two gfx cards. :) maybe something in the bios?
295 [01:47:59] <Hijiri-webby> ok, I'll look it up
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297 [01:48:12] <Hijiri-webby> I was just planning on disabling the driver but I think I shoudl be able to disable in the bios too
298 [01:48:34] <Guest21446> i run aptitude dist-upgrade and it said linux-image-amd64 was in conflict with replaced-url
299 [01:48:43] <aypea[1]> Hijiri-webby: couldn't help with that one, either. sorry.
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302 [01:49:27] <Guest21446> so i uninstalled it and i reinstalled but after rebooted and now it says invalid partition on boot in grub
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306 [01:50:32] <Hijiri-webby> aypea[1]: infinite thanks, it's booting normally now
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308 [01:52:08] <Neville> I need suggestions on killing a dd process. I made the mistake of writing zeroes to a new 2TB drive. (NO DATA on the drive). It is a quarter done after 5 hours.
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311 [01:52:31] <Hijiri> now to make up on time not doing homework
312 [01:52:36] <Neville> I can't wait for the process to finish and will reformat.
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314 [01:53:28] <somiaj> Neville: kill -9 the process didn't work, it may just take a little bit for that?
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319 [01:56:25] <Neville> somiaj: dd is a kernel process; can't be kill -9
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338 [02:01:19] <somiaj> Neville: I would still think it was a process, but unsure there, never have been in that case
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346 [02:03:10] <somiaj> Neville: well dd responds to some signals, maybe one will tell it to stop.
347 [02:03:29] <somiaj> at least google gives examples of say kill -INFO pid
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349 [02:04:51] <somiaj> I see some saying you can stop with with ctrl-C
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364 [02:15:56] <Guest21446> whats the best way to rebuild a boot partition with luks encryption? the encrypted luks side is great but no boot partition to be found
365 [02:16:22] <somiaj> Guest21446: was /boot encrypted?
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367 [02:16:48] <somiaj> usually setups don't use an encrypted /boot and I don't think debian supports this (though grub does from what I hear)
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369 [02:17:04] <Guest21446> somiaj: no /boot is not encrypted
370 [02:17:22] <somiaj> Guest21446: so /boot is just gone and thsu all the files in it and you want to regenerate the missing files?
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372 [02:18:00] <Guest21446> somiaj: im looking at the partition table from a live cd and a see the luks partition with 256MB of free space in front
373 [02:18:09] <Guest21446> somiaj: yes i think so
374 [02:18:28] <somiaj> Guest21446: intersting, wonder why it just disappeared, I would think tracking that down would be important.
375 [02:18:40] <Guest21446> somiaj: as far as i can tell this happened b/c i did a dist-upgrade with jessie backports and it removed linux-image-amd64
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379 [02:19:08] <somiaj> as for rebuilding, if you can chroot into your install, 'dpkg -S /boot' will list all packages that have files in /boot and you can --reinstall those packages
380 [02:19:13] <Guest21446> somiaj: it is im just confused b/c you would like aptitude removing the a package wouldn't destroy the partition
381 [02:19:15] <somiaj> then you may have to update and reinstall grub as well.
382 [02:19:41] <somiaj> Guest21446: I agree, aptitude will remove auto install packages and partly why I like apt-get (which is usually sugested for dist-upgrades)
383 [02:19:52] <_raynold_> ahh it's a wonderful day
384 [02:20:04] <somiaj> Guest21446: so I could see removing the meta package removing all the autoinstalled kernels with it, but not the actual partition. That is strange. That partition wasn't in an lvm?
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386 [02:20:29] <somiaj> Guest21446: though before you do my suggestion to reinstall stuff, may want to create a new boot partition, or figure out what happened to it.
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388 [02:21:05] <Guest21446> somiaj: can it be in luks but not encrypted?
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391 [02:21:17] <somiaj> Guest21446: I'm unsure on the details here, I don't use encryption.
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393 [02:21:19] <somiaj> !confmiss
394 [02:21:20] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
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396 [02:22:06] <somiaj> Guest21446: ^^ if there are conffiles in /boot, debian may think you deleted them so you may want to include --force-confmiss in the reinstall to ensure conf files get recreated as well, but I would try to figure out where that /boot partition is or happened to it before trying to rebuild it
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400 [02:22:58] <somiaj> also I didn't get grub as being one of the packages owning files in /boot so that may need to be reinstall with confmiss due to that is where grub puts its conf files
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403 [02:24:14] <Guest21446> somiaj: for encrypted stuff everything has to be on a normal partition and im finding neither
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405 [02:24:45] <somiaj> Guest21446: I don't think that is accurate, I hear of lvm + lukes setups, but again I dont' know the details, maybe someone with more encryption experience can help with that.
406 [02:25:07] <somiaj> also just looked, I don't see any conffiles for grub packages in /boot, so those must all be generated by the grub scripts
407 [02:25:24] <somiaj> at least on my system
408 [02:26:13] <Guest21446> somiaj: thanks but yeah i mean i see lvm2 pv on top of luks
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410 [02:27:55] <aypea[1]> Hijiri: awesome news. glad that worked out :)
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417 [02:30:20] <stew> conffiles are always in /etc
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423 [02:33:19] <nChomsky> Good night,
424 [02:33:47] <nChomsky> I'm trying to update a drive to its testing counterpart.
425 [02:34:05] <nChomsky> Aptitude offers me the following solution: replaced-url
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427 [02:34:34] <nChomsky> I'm afraid it will break GNOME packages.
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431 [02:36:29] <nChomsky> I'm not sure that's the case though. It's just that "Remove the following packages: 1) task-desktop 2) task-gnome-desktop" does not sound any good to me.
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433 [02:38:48] <somiaj> nChomsky: those are meta packages, who only depend on other packages to make installing collection of packages easier, they can be safely removed with one note.
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439 [02:39:50] <nChomsky> Meta packages?
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441 [02:41:32] <nChomsky> So they are getting removed... Does it mean that GNOME will be there for me when I next login? XD
442 [02:41:44] <somiaj> nChomsky: packages installed from meta packages are marked auto, so removing the metapackage will make apt think that you don't want the actual packages installed any more, so you may have to deal with that.
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444 [02:42:03] <somiaj> nChomsky: aptitude will automatically remove them, apt/apt-get won't, so apt-get is safer in this case.
445 [02:42:24] <somiaj> nChomsky: the meta package doesn't contain the actual program, it is a package that links to various other packages (Gnome is a large collection of packages)
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455 [02:44:59] <somiaj> nChomsky: it is just a package that is used to pull in all the other packages. In teh case of gnome, making gnome-core manual, 'apt-mark manual gnome-core' should help
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460 [02:47:04] <nChomsky> You're right, apt asked only for the removal of "xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse xserver-xorg-video-modesetting"
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462 [02:47:16] <nChomsky> Much, much better. :)
463 [02:48:15] <nChomsky> Thank you somiaj!
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486 [03:08:14] <squigz> tomcres: Hope I'm not bugging you. i'm still encountering X crashes on launching some video files. :/
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500 [03:19:23] <mutante> Can i tell an rsync client to use a specific source IP when there is more than one on the primary interface?
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503 [03:21:34] <somiaj> mutante: the machine you are running rsync on has multiple interfaces? Woudlnt' this be similar to any other program in this case, by following the corret route?
504 [03:21:58] <mutante> no, it has multiple IPs on one interface
505 [03:22:24] <mutante> there is one v4 IP and 2 v6 IPs all on eth0
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507 [03:22:50] <somiaj> but rsync doesn't connect to interfaces, it connects to ips, so I'm not quite following
508 [03:22:53] <mutante> if i remove the "wrong" of the 2 v6 IPs all my problems (with firewalling etc) are solved
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510 [03:23:01] <mutante> it picks a source IP to use
511 [03:23:06] <sypher> So, what makes that IP wrong?
512 [03:23:07] <mutante> which i can on the remote side
513 [03:23:22] <mutante> i don't know, but puppet
514 [03:23:29] <sypher> Ahh, the plot thickens.
515 [03:23:29] <mutante> when puppet runs it comes back
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517 [03:23:47] <sypher> Do you actually have IPv6 connectivity to the internet from that system?
518 [03:23:51] <mutante> yes
519 [03:24:07] <mutante> it's one server talking to another server in the same DC
520 [03:24:18] <somiaj> which is done via routes, rsycn isn't special here, all programs that requrest the internet need to determine what route to take, though I'm no expert, ##networking may also be of good help.
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522 [03:25:19] <mutante> right.. ok. that makes sense
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529 [03:28:03] <somiaj> mutante: maybe the output of route will help
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534 [03:31:37] <Led_Zeppelin> Does enabling hyperthreading give more performance ? so i have 12 cores and enable HT, will having the 24 cores make things go twice as fast?
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538 [03:33:42] <somiaj> only some programs take advantage of parallell computing, many use a single core
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540 [03:34:13] <somiaj> but if lots and lots of programs (users) are running I belive it helps
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544 [03:34:34] <Led_Zeppelin> will i get more througput?
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546 [03:34:43] <Led_Zeppelin> can I run 2x as more tasks on it?
547 [03:35:17] <somiaj> replaced-url
548 [03:35:33] <Led_Zeppelin> talking more about server point of view
549 [03:35:46] <somiaj> Led_Zeppelin: you won't be able to run more, but if lots of little tasks are running they can take advantage of hyperthreading
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560 [03:40:43] <aaro> Led_Zeppelin, it depends on the application, in the best case the performance improvement is about 30%
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562 [03:41:33] <Led_Zeppelin> so, lets say I run random tasks. on a 12 core box. The box is running 12 tasks. It takes it 10 minutes. If I run 24 tasks will it still take 10 mins?
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567 [03:43:36] <TomTomTo1> no, the performance benefit would be subtle.
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576 [03:46:30] <hiexpo> !yumi
577 [03:46:30] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, yumi is a tool that can make bootable usb device. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>
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585 [03:49:52] <hiexpo> !dd
586 [03:49:52] <dpkg> it has been said that dd is an abbreviation for Debian Developer, or a utility for the low-level copying and conversion of raw data: man dd, dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a CD/DVD. See also <win32 dd>, <ddrescue>, <gddrescue>. <pv>
587 [03:50:28] <missmbob> hiexpo: fyi you can /msg dpkg
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595 [03:56:10] <hiexpo> thanks missmbob
596 [03:56:31] <hiexpo> i forgot <
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665 [04:27:44] <squigz> Is dd the recommended way for creating bootable USBs?
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667 [04:28:00] <missmbob> squigz: dd or cp
668 [04:28:08] <aypea[1]> or pv
669 [04:28:12] <squigz> Cool, thanks
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675 [04:29:29] <squigz> Completely unrelated, but X crashes when I launch most video files
676 [04:29:44] <squigz> How can I start debugging this?
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701 [04:43:35] <sideup66> Hey room, can someone answer a simple samba question for me
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703 [04:44:20] <sideup66> I ask because I've heard some machines now scrutinize unencrypted samba and move it's data slower than encrypted, does Debian's version of samba support it?
704 [04:44:42] <sideup66> I read it's a 3.2 feature I believe but will stretch or Jessie see that update?
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814 [05:44:24] <mad_hatter> hello all -- im having trouble getting debian jessie to support my wifi card -- ive installed the latest kernel from backports
815 [05:44:30] <mad_hatter> linux-nonfree-firmware
816 [05:44:33] <mad_hatter> and realtek-firmware
817 [05:44:39] <mad_hatter> still no dice...any ideas?
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860 [06:12:59] <klys> mad_hatter, dmesg | less and make sure
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874 [06:24:31] <likcoras> How would I go around installing debian on an existing lvm-on-luks partition? ie. sda1 is EFI, sda2 is /boot, sda3 is luks-encrypted with lvm on top, want to install debian on some of the remaining space in that lvm partition.
875 [06:25:02] <likcoras> Without losing existing data, obviously.
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901 [06:44:43] <fnljk> Hi.. If I have a console-only Debian box, should I avoid installing anything with "x" infront; such as "xfonts .. ", "xfs", "xserver" etc.. are these things I don't need, or should I..? Sry bein n00b heh.. thx in advance anyway for replies!
902 [06:45:02] <fnljk> (I do not wish to install graphical elements or any GUI on it.. ^^ )
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905 [06:47:25] <aypea[1]> fnljk: generally yes but look at the dependencies to be sure
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910 [06:48:44] <fnljk> hmm.. k, will try find out how to do that..:P thanks
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916 [06:50:53] <fnljk> any simple "apt-get install <name>" i can use to install Python3 in addition to my Python2 which I'd like to keep as my default Python(2) .. ?
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930 [06:54:41] <fnljk> I'd just be afraid of breaking my current Python2.7 setup .. or would it be safe to install any Python3 additions (and then presumably including Python3 itself too-as seemingly not around already.. I think..)
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934 [06:56:31] <somiaj> fnljk: in Debian /usr/bin/python is always python2
935 [06:56:50] <somiaj> fnljk: you can additionally have python3 installed, but you must call it with python3 or #!/usr/bin/python3 as your shebang
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937 [06:57:27] <fnljk> oh.. simply install it, and then just use "python3" for specifying its use , huh... sounds simple..hope it is! Many thanks
938 [06:58:01] <somiaj> and don't try to change python to point at python3, leave all of that alone. If you need a python setup not provided by debian by default use python virtual enviorments.
939 [06:58:27] <somiaj> though it sounds like you don't want to do that, some want to make python3 default when they type python, which in Debian you shoudln't do, because scripts that call python assume it is python2
940 [06:58:58] <fnljk> oh....k.. will try check out the virtualenv feature..hmh.. thanks!
941 [06:59:07] <fnljk> P2 should be fine for my default I think. :)
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960 [07:08:08] <fnljk> If I intend to use a (rented, remote) VPS-server for pretty much OpenVPN connectivity only , and would like to lessen eventual maintenance (updates and potential security issues, as time goes), would it be advisable to install tools such as hardening- includes & wrapper ASAP, possibly also "Bastilly Linix" -- prior to configuring the OpenVPN server..?
961 [07:08:20] <fnljk> ( - debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-automatic-harden.en.html )
962 [07:08:58] <fnljk> I'm jus afraid I'd get locked out (blocked, thru new iptable rulse, or something.. and/or complicate the OpenVPN setup eventually too along with that then possibly..)
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977 [07:11:42] <tw> usually when implementing new rules remotely like that, you don't set the boot-time defaults so you can reboot it and recover, or use something that will revert your changes unless you cancel the revert.
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984 [07:11:46] <fnljk> as a major newb to linux in general.. think it'd be an issue for me to try take on install & configuration of stuff like SELinux and/or AppArmor..? (which Im not totally sure what is or how works..)
985 [07:11:49] <tw> like an at job
986 [07:11:56] <fnljk> oh
987 [07:12:10] <fnljk> hm..k.. cool..hopefully will be fine then. Thx!
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1064 [07:16:11] <fnljk> Alongside getting this VPS I tried to download & setup a VirtualBox Debian guest on my Windows machine in hopes of replicating eventual steps on the VPS on my VM first; taking back-up before any big changes, and mainly to ensure I maintain connectivity to the box (VPS) by testing things first on my own comp.. but it seems the VPS came with some non-default setup, or anyway a bunch of pre-installed
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1066 [07:16:30] <fnljk> ..apps and stuff, it seems... any way to,uh.. more-or-less easily copy all of that, whatever it all maay be ?
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1080 [07:18:20] <fnljk> Also, the remote VPS-server runs on the XEN virtualization system.. any idea if it should be safe for me to enable encryption of the /home directory (done remotely, thru Putty)-assuming I'd have remote terminal access to enter eventual boot-time passwords without issue.. should be fine and smooth, or complicatd..?
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1252 [09:02:27] <rbrito> Hi. Is there anybody having problems with etckeeper not registering/put commit messages of the upgraded packages after apt upgrades?
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1267 [09:08:35] <pragomer_1> i want to install stretch as productive system now. what iso to choose? "stretch_di_rc2" or "weekly-builds" ?
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1275 [09:12:20] <AN0NYM> @pragomer_1: just use the netinst iso from stretch
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1278 [09:13:17] <pragomer_1> this one? replaced-url
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1317 [09:39:54] <_raynold_> ahh it's a wonderful day
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1320 [09:41:36] <crackotage> Wow, I'm the last commenter!
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1323 [09:42:44] <crackotage> Anyway, I rest my case. just 377 bugs left!
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1404 [10:21:39] <nickgaw> Hi, I have been trying to find out how to just play audio only for mplayer in Stretch and set it as the system default in mp4 files what option do I put in the mplayer.conf for this to happen?
1405 [10:22:07] <nickgaw> so all video files just play audio as I am totally blind so don't care about video.
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1409 [10:22:39] <nickgaw> the manual page is very long to search threw.
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1446 [10:45:29] <Chrismeister> Hello, I have a basic question. Can a USB-device be "infected" in the sense that some harmful code is automatically run when plugged in?
1447 [10:45:38] <Chrismeister> For debian that is
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1450 [10:46:47] <jpw> Chrismeister: Yes. A USB device could be storage, it could also emulate anything else for example a keyboard
1451 [10:47:25] <Chrismeister> jpw: okey, thank you.
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1455 [10:48:01] <joze> there was the so called BadUSB attack that resides in the USB controller IC
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1479 [11:03:38] <Chrismeister> But say for example that a friends hands me over a USB-drive to give me a file. I trust my friend but not his surfing habits (running executable files from the internet). Should I be cautious about inserting the USB?
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1486 [11:05:00] <Chrismeister> Or am I just paranoid?
1487 [11:05:36] <blastradius> Hi all. I'm not sure if I'm asking this on the right channel but is anyone else unable to drag and drop on Debian Jessie? I'm using Nemo but have the same problem with Nautilus, I can cut and paste but if I drag to a folder it doesn't highlight it or move it across. Same problem when trying to drag a URL tab from the bar to bookmarks inFirefox etc
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1491 [11:07:46] <jelly> Chrismeister: it's a matter of estimating risk. Is your friend likely to have an engineered usb device that looks like storage at one point, but then sneakily switches to input (keyboard) or network card?
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1497 [11:09:50] <pragomer_1> how to best install virtualbox under stretch? via deb-file from vbox-site? cause theres no package in the debian9-repo
1498 [11:09:59] <Chrismeister> jelly: No, that is very unlikely - I guess I thought that maybe a virus could do that. I'm just paranoid then. ;)
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1500 [11:10:50] <jim> , v virtualbox
1501 [11:10:51] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; sid/contrib: 5.1.14-dfsg-1
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1504 [11:11:44] <jelly> Chrismeister: a usb-storage device on its own won't do much on debian. This isn't windows 98 with autorun.inf
1505 [11:11:53] <jim> hmm, doesn't look like it's in stretch
1506 [11:11:58] <erchache2000> I would like to make a visual map of my dhcpd.conf
1507 [11:12:10] <erchache2000> how I can do it?
1508 [11:12:20] <NoxiousPloK> screenshot?
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1510 [11:12:32] <NoxiousPloK> :+
1511 [11:12:43] <jpw> Chrismeister: to my knowledge no desktop environment in linux has the functionality to automatically execurte code from a connected device which would be a pre-requisite for any such attack vector without any hardware mods
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1513 [11:13:40] <jim> erchache2000, html5 has svg... or you could do it in the dot language of ibm's graphviz
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1515 [11:13:56] <erchache2000> jim: any script?
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1525 [11:17:35] <Chrismeister> jelly jpw: okey, thank you for the response
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1528 [11:18:53] <jim> erchache2000, a google search for the terms "linux script to make a visual map of dhcpd.conf" doesn't seem to have any interesting results
1529 [11:19:19] <erchache2000> jim: i know, i tried this before and for this i’m asking now here :(
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1532 [11:20:17] <jpw> erchache2000: what are you attempting to visualise? network configuration? branch logic?...
1533 [11:20:31] <erchache2000> network map
1534 [11:20:39] <erchache2000> subnets
1535 [11:20:45] <jim> erchache2000 what would be included on this map?
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1537 [11:20:53] <erchache2000> hosts only
1538 [11:21:01] <erchache2000> organized by subnets
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1540 [11:21:34] <jpw> are you using any routing protocols? aquiring this information from your network directly would be of more value I think.
1541 [11:22:27] <erchache2000> i only want a visual map of dhcp info, to see holes on ip asignation
1542 [11:22:40] <jim> theree's this... replaced-url
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1545 [11:23:03] <jim> I'm pretty sure that's pretty far afield of what you want,,,
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1547 [11:23:22] <erchache2000> uhm
1548 [11:23:25] <erchache2000> thanks for info
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1550 [11:24:06] <jim> maybe that script divides the hosts into subnets or something like that...
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1552 [11:25:10] <jpw> erchache2000: try this - grep -E ^lease cat /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases | cut -d ' ' -f 2 | uniq | sort -n
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1554 [11:25:30] <jpw> this will show all active leases
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1556 [11:26:34] <jpw> grep -E ^lease /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases | cut -d ' ' -f 2 | uniq | sort -n
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1561 [11:28:15] <erchache2000> I use macs to filter hosts i dont put autodiscover
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1563 [11:28:25] <erchache2000> jim: jpw:
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1580 [11:38:56] <erchache2000> jim: jpw: i dont use autoasign dhcp with lease
1581 [11:39:12] <erchache2000> i have a static ip asign by MAC on my dhcpd.conf
1582 [11:39:26] <erchache2000> but i want to sort, display all hosts to see holes graphically
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1588 [11:41:51] <jim> why not have a list of the hosts you want in the dhcpd.conf, and build a script that generates the dhcpd.conf from it, and also generates a diagram
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1654 [12:20:24] <_aeris_> hello #debian
1655 [12:20:36] <_aeris_> i have trouble with httpredir since yesterday
1656 [12:21:13] <Vizva> httpredir ?
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1658 [12:21:38] <_aeris_> replaced-url
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1660 [12:21:49] <babilen> _aeris_: I'd suggest using deb.debian.org
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1662 [12:21:55] <babilen> dpkg: deb.debian.org
1663 [12:21:55] <dpkg> deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See replaced-url
1664 [12:21:58] <Vizva> its a substitute
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1666 [12:22:22] <Vizva> if you write httpredir there i think i will not work
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1668 [12:23:48] <_aeris_> will try :)
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1670 [12:24:59] <Vizva> they write this for an example , thats a classic "dont show it this way"
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1672 [12:25:27] <sideup66> Anyone know if debian stretch will be samba 3 or is it but numbered differently? Jessie shows 2.x and same for stretch... I ask because I don't know in those builds if the server will support encrypted connections
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1674 [12:25:54] <sideup66> And with some Os's now requiring it I'd like to make sure my boxes can still talk to it
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1678 [12:26:43] <sideup66> dpkg: samba
1679 [12:26:43] <dpkg> Samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). replaced-url
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1690 [12:34:49] <sypher> sideup66: It's actually samba4. Samba is just a metapackage.
1691 [12:35:09] <Digital> you know you screwed up when you pass "-o 'Dpkg::force-depends' -o 'Dpkg::force-overwrite'" to apt
1692 [12:35:15] <sypher> sideup66: The actual samba libraries are v4.
1693 [12:35:48] <sypher> 4.2, specifically.
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1705 [12:39:17] <sideup66> sypher is that also in Jessie?
1706 [12:39:37] <sideup66> Or will that be in stretch?
1707 [12:39:43] <futurama140> annadane: sort of works
1708 [12:39:45] <sypher> sideup66: Rather, 4.2 is in jessie, yes. I'd be shocked to see a version decrease. :P
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1710 [12:40:13] <sypher> ,v samba-common
1711 [12:40:14] <judd> Package: samba-common on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u7; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u11; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u2; jessie: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u2; stretch: 2:4.4.6+dfsg-2; sid: 2:4.5.2+dfsg-2; stretch: 2:4.5.2+dfsg-2; sid: 2:4.5.4+dfsg-1
1712 [12:40:20] <sypher> 4.4 in stretch.
1713 [12:40:28] <sypher> Orr.... 4.5, possibly.
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1718 [12:42:34] <Digital> that may sound dumb. how do i use a debian pure blend?
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1729 [12:48:39] <pron> can someone explain me why visudo, wich has even vi in its name , doesnt use vi as editor by default, at least not on debian
1730 [12:49:26] <sypher> pron: Because it uses whichever editor is in the EDITOR environment variable.
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1732 [12:49:46] <sypher> pron: Or nano by default, if not specified, I believe.
1733 [12:50:13] <rootkea> Hello! When I try to install openjdk-8-jre using `sudo apt-get install openjdk-8-jre` it says "The following packages have unmet dependencies: openjdk-8-jre : Depends: openjdk-8-jre-headless (= 8u121-b13-1~bpo8+1) but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages."
1734 [12:50:15] <sypher> As to the why: vi is not part of a default install. nano is.
1735 [12:50:29] <pron> i sypher yes why damn nano , its VIsudo
1736 [12:50:46] <pron> why nano by default :/
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1738 [12:50:55] <sypher> pron: because vi is not part of a default install.
1739 [12:50:56] <pron> it should be NANOsudo then
1740 [12:50:59] <pron> it is
1741 [12:51:01] <pron> ..
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1743 [12:51:27] <pron> it is even part of absolutely minimal install when u remove even minimal selection
1744 [12:51:28] <pron> :]
1745 [12:51:37] <rootkea> sypher: vi is part of default install. VIM isn't
1746 [12:51:39] <pron> i am talking about vi not vim
1747 [12:51:42] <sypher> pron: Well, maybe it is. Probably because changing the name of a universal command seems like a bad plan when it can be used with any editor.
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1749 [12:52:03] <pron> yes
1750 [12:52:05] <sypher> If you want to use vi, just set the EDITOR env variable to vi.
1751 [12:52:13] <pron> it is nnoing
1752 [12:52:17] <pron> to do that so many times
1753 [12:52:33] <pron> especialy if the name of app sugeests it will be using vi
1754 [12:52:34] <pron> :]
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1757 [12:52:43] <pron> and there is no EDITOR variable
1758 [12:52:47] <rootkea> Hey guys need help with broken packages.
1759 [12:52:55] <sypher> pron: Yeah. There is, actually.
1760 [12:53:05] <pron> sypher: there is what?
1761 [12:53:12] <pron> env , doest show me any
1762 [12:53:17] <sypher> So set it.
1763 [12:53:23] <pron> why ..
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1765 [12:53:57] <sypher> pron: ... Anyway, you have your solution. Griping about this won't change it.
1766 [12:54:01] <pron> if the only app that so far tries to use nano is app wichs name suggests me it gona use vi by defult
1767 [12:54:08] <pron> sypher: i am asking why
1768 [12:54:10] <petemc> update-alternatives --config editor
1769 [12:54:11] <pron> and how to change it
1770 [12:54:17] <pron> whos insane decision it ws
1771 [12:54:19] <sypher> pron: # EDITOR="vi" visudo
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1773 [12:54:22] <pron> to do it this way
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1776 [12:54:41] <petemc> stop complaining, it is easily fixed
1777 [12:54:50] <sypher> pron: If you put as much effort into learning how environment variables work as you did into whining, your problem would already be solved.
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1781 [12:55:12] <sypher> pron: And petemc has given you an alternate (and probably better) solution as well.
1782 [12:55:16] <pron> sypher: i didnt cem here to find how to change edit it uses
1783 [12:55:26] <pron> i came here to understand why such decision was made
1784 [12:55:37] <petemc> you cant please everyone
1785 [12:55:37] <pron> to understand whos sick and twisted mind did it
1786 [12:55:42] <coruja> pron, instead of complaining here you are free to file a bug against visudo to point out your questions and criticism
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1788 [12:55:51] <pron> i am asking here
1789 [12:55:56] <pron> at start
1790 [12:55:59] <sypher> pron: Probably the same sick and twisted mind that decided nano was an easier editor to use as the default, and I agree with that decision.
1791 [12:56:00] <pron> and not whining
1792 [12:56:02] <rootkea> coruja: +1
1793 [12:56:12] <pron> or whatever you call it
1794 [12:56:17] <pron> stop being defensive
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1798 [12:56:20] <pron> about shit u shoudlnt
1799 [12:56:22] <pron> =)
1800 [12:56:56] <pron> i am asking if someone can explain, maybe i just dont understand the logic nehind it, maybe its not a bug
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1802 [12:57:03] <sypher> pron: You've been given the responses you're going to get.
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1805 [12:57:15] <pron> i did get ansvers i didnt ask
1806 [12:57:17] <pron> tbh
1807 [12:57:19] <pron> =)
1808 [12:57:24] <pron> and didnt get ones i asked
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1810 [12:57:29] <pron> as usualy in lunix community
1811 [12:57:31] <pron> :D
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1813 [12:57:42] * unborn that does not mean you have to be arrogant and swearing...end of the day we are here all intelligent beings
1814 [12:57:59] <petemc> some less so than others
1815 [12:58:00] <pron> well i didnt start this arrognance thing ;]
1816 [12:58:11] <rootkea> pron: A valid logical question I think. Please try replaced-url
1817 [12:58:17] <sypher> pron: Debatable, given your attitude.
1818 [12:58:34] <pron> sypher: my attitude was very nice until you started to bark
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1820 [12:58:49] <rootkea> Let's cool down folks!
1821 [12:59:06] <pron> stop being coky ppl once
1822 [12:59:14] <pron> it would help alot
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1826 [13:00:01] <rootkea> Hey guys need help with broken packages.
1827 [13:00:06] <rootkea> When I try to install openjdk-8-jre using `sudo apt-get install openjdk-8-jre` it says "The following packages have unmet dependencies: openjdk-8-jre : Depends: openjdk-8-jre-headless (= 8u121-b13-1~bpo8+1) but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages."
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1829 [13:01:00] <rootkea> Then when I try to install `openjdk-8-jre-headless` it says "The following packages have unmet dependencies: openjdk-8-jre-headless : Depends: ca-certificates-java but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages."
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1833 [13:01:58] <rootkea> And Then when I try to install `ca-certificates-java` it says and this is funny! "ca-certificates-java is already the newest version."
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1835 [13:02:23] <pron> rootkea: by any chanse do you have some weird mux of repos in your your sources.list
1836 [13:02:24] <unborn> pron: its very simple, some of us are very well advanced on other stuff and some of us on another.. if you ask your question here and no one know the answer then you may wait longer for anyone capable to help you with your issue.. be it minutes/hours/days/years/decades.. we are not all in same time zone and no one have to give you spoonfeeding or walk you by hand.. I know you asked the question and so far no proper answer according to your meanings was
1837 [13:02:24] <unborn> provided.. so please wait or ask again in few hours, but put your arrogant attitude away please, end of the day, we all are here to make things working and being easier right?
1838 [13:02:24] <pron> ?
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1840 [13:03:34] <pron> unborn: i m fine with waiting and never had issues with , i am using debian over 10 years and unix over 15 and same is for irc
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1843 [13:04:31] <rootkea> pron: No. Just a R repo besides Debian repos.
1844 [13:04:36] <pron> rootkea: if you have you may try to fix those, ooor try to provide -t
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1846 [13:04:46] <rootkea> Lemme post my sources.list on pastebin
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1850 [13:05:23] <pron> sure
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1852 [13:05:55] <rootkea> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
1853 [13:05:56] <rootkea> replaced-url
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1857 [13:06:43] <pron> dpkg -l | grep ca-certificates-java
1858 [13:06:44] <dpkg> No packages found matching | grep ca-certificates-java
1859 [13:06:49] <pron> ?
1860 [13:06:57] <pron> dpkg: please :/
1861 [13:06:58] <dpkg> i haven't a clue, pron
1862 [13:07:09] <unborn> ,v openjdk
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1864 [13:07:10] <judd> No package named 'openjdk' was found in amd64.
1865 [13:07:28] <coruja> rootkea, may we see 'apt policy' too?
1866 [13:07:30] <pron> rootkea: can you do that
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1870 [13:07:48] <rootkea> umm apt policy? Lemme search what is that
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1872 [13:08:15] <pron> basicly most lkely this r repo is interfering and has something propanly newer there
1873 [13:08:24] <pron> i would dig in that direction
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1875 [13:08:29] <coruja> just a command, where apt lists the used repos including its priority
1876 [13:08:32] <unborn> rootkea: replaced-url
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1878 [13:08:44] <dgriffi> now that I have the syslinux problem somewhat solved, I'm playing with the idea of making an installer USB thumb drive formatted ext4fs
1879 [13:09:01] <dgriffi> has anyone here tried this?
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1882 [13:09:29] <rootkea> pron: dpkg -l | grep ca-certificates-java shows "ii ca-certificates-java 20140324 all Common CA certificates (JKS keystore)"
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1884 [13:09:51] <pron> dgriffi: i would highly suggest pxe if it fits your enviroment
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1890 [13:10:50] <dgriffi> pron: I'm starting with replaced-url
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1893 [13:11:22] <dgriffi> pron: my intent is to create a 64GB installer thumb drive and put a double-layer bluray iso on it.
1894 [13:12:03] <dgriffi> since fat32 can't handle a single file that big, I have to use ext?fs.
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1897 [13:12:46] <pron> dgriffi: to make it clear, i never did any usb installer on linux, and actualy any once i discovered pxe
1898 [13:12:46] <dgriffi> pxe does sound like it would do the trick.. I've become quite handy at net pxe stuff
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1905 [13:13:50] <rootkea> coruja: apt-cache policy replaced-url
1906 [13:13:51] <pron> dgriffi: also if you have to custumise stuff
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1908 [13:14:15] <pron> dgriffi: i would rcmd to check this out replaced-url
1909 [13:14:22] <dgriffi> pron: exactly. I like being able to easily use preseed files
1910 [13:14:28] <pron> then
1911 [13:14:37] <pron> my latest link is what u need
1912 [13:14:42] <pron> i hope =)
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1917 [13:15:25] <pron> only reaso i see, one would need usb installer , besides nic without pxe rom, is it has to install stuff at locations where internet and network is a luxury
1918 [13:15:30] <rootkea> unborn: since openjdk-8-jre is in repos I think apt-get install should work :)
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1920 [13:16:00] <unborn> ,v openjdk-8-jre
1921 [13:16:01] <judd> Package: openjdk-8-jre on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 8u111-b14-2~bpo8+1; sid: 8u121-b13-2; stretch: 8u121-b13-2
1922 [13:16:10] <dgriffi> pron: that's why I have the wild idea of putting a DL bluray image on the thumbdrive
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1924 [13:16:29] <unborn> oh.. i did not know this rootkea, sorry :)
1925 [13:16:42] <unborn> yes it should
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1927 [13:19:40] <rootkea> Any idea why broken packages?
1928 [13:20:06] <rootkea> pron: I disabled R repo then apt-get update and apt-get install openjdk-8-jre
1929 [13:20:20] <rootkea> still same error. broken packages
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1931 [13:20:35] <pron> what happens when u uninstall the ca-certs package?
1932 [13:20:40] <unborn> rootkea: try apt-get install -f
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1934 [13:20:42] <pron> mmon CA certificates
1935 [13:20:42] <unborn> as su
1936 [13:21:04] <rootkea> unborn: already did!
1937 [13:21:06] <pron> unborn: it has ca caerts package wic is propably higher version then one deps has
1938 [13:21:10] <pron> wich is blocking
1939 [13:22:02] <pron> rootkea: try to uninstall ca-certificates-java
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1941 [13:22:21] <rootkea> pron: umm ok
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1943 [13:22:51] <pron> just make sure you pay attention to things that it may want to uninstall, things that depend on it
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1945 [13:23:08] <unborn> pron: hm.. it could be his repos where he is getting stuff from
1946 [13:23:27] <pron> also that
1947 [13:23:47] <unborn> I mean sometimes happens..
1948 [13:23:48] <rootkea> OMG! apt-get says 53 packages to remove! Including ant, rhino, weka and what not!
1949 [13:23:49] <pron> apt-get update
1950 [13:23:52] <pron> wouldnt hurt
1951 [13:24:17] <rootkea> pron: I don't think removing the ca-certificates-java is a way out! :P
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1954 [13:25:44] <unborn> rootkea: i know you pasted here somewhere your repo list.. but I cannot find the link.. I do keep only 20 lines on irc.. can you paste it out again?
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1958 [13:26:25] <rootkea> unborn: replaced-url
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1961 [13:27:16] <unborn> rootkea: okay try to comment out deb replaced-url
1962 [13:27:24] <unborn> ..just to see
1963 [13:27:24] <rootkea> unborn: BTW I tried disabling the r-cran repo
1964 [13:27:35] <rootkea> But same error persists!
1965 [13:27:54] <unborn> rootkea: did you done apt-get update before hand?
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1967 [13:28:06] <rootkea> OFC I didn't forget to update after that!
1968 [13:28:06] <unborn> anyway who and whats the repo of deb replaced-url
1969 [13:28:34] <unborn> rootkea: always refresh your packages after any update of your source list
1970 [13:28:36] <unborn> always
1971 [13:28:43] <rootkea> unborn: It's a repo for R packages
1972 [13:28:48] <rootkea> unborn: sure! :)
1973 [13:29:10] <unborn> rootkea: just comment line out with # and do update and then -f
1974 [13:29:13] <unborn> just to see..
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1983 [13:30:22] <rootkea> unborn: Didn't I tell you I already did that? :)
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1985 [13:30:26] <rootkea> I commented the repo. apt-get update
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1987 [13:30:36] <unborn> ah yes you did..
1988 [13:30:39] <rootkea> then apt-get -f install
1989 [13:30:57] <unborn> rootkea: then try dpkg --configure -a
1990 [13:31:08] <rootkea> unborn: umm ok.
1991 [13:31:28] <unborn> rootkea: it will try to install any package not properly installed in a gentle way
1992 [13:31:37] <rootkea> Command just returned printing nothing.
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1997 [13:32:15] <unborn> rootkea: if this does not work for you then you will have to unistall some package which giving you head ache..
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1999 [13:33:01] <rootkea> unborn: Ah.. when I try to uninstall ca-certificates-java it says 53 packages to remove along side it
2000 [13:33:11] <rootkea> So I didn't procede.
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2002 [13:33:25] <unborn> I had this issue with nvidia.. once I returned to proper debian repos.. I found out that I had installed package which was few versions up and was not compatible with my system.. All I had to do was completely remove those packages and then re - do install.
2003 [13:33:34] <unborn> sure
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2005 [13:33:36] <rootkea> May be I should clean the cache and rebuilt it?
2006 [13:33:41] <dgriffi> pron: well, the simple approach for making an ext4fs thumb drive installer has worked
2007 [13:33:52] <pron> col
2008 [13:33:55] <pron> cool*
2009 [13:34:01] <sideup66> Ohh I see it now sypher I saw the 2: and thought it was 2.
2010 [13:34:22] <unborn> mark them into your gedit and save them in txt file.. after unistall is done.. just do su and apt-get update && apt-get install list of packages from txt file
2011 [13:34:22] <rootkea> unborn: umm ok. Let me try that then.
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2013 [13:34:29] <unborn> no reboot
2014 [13:34:36] <rootkea> unborn: was thinking the same!
2015 [13:34:37] <unborn> or just before reboot
2016 [13:34:46] <unborn> and it would work ...or it should
2017 [13:35:07] <rootkea> unborn: why no reboot? just wondering
2018 [13:35:58] <unborn> rootkea: when I was dealing with my quatro graphics.. I had to uninstall whole gnome just because of repo I've added.. once uninstalled I just install it from origin repo before log yout or reboot - and everything was/is working fine..
2019 [13:36:52] <rootkea> unborn: Very well then! I'm all prepared to push the button! See you on other side LOL!
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2023 [13:37:21] <unborn> rootkea: because this will uninstall few packages which you may need to run your stuff.. it all depends from how did you set ip up.. once uninstalled - if no log out or no reboot.. services and other things will be still running means you will be able to continue to work without headache
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2025 [13:37:40] <unborn> I mean this could not be your issue rootkea ....just in case you know ;)
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2029 [13:38:34] <terma> Hi! I just installed Debian for the first time; laptop has an nvidia card that I wish to keep switched off. So I installed bumblebee and primus. But there is no bbswitch to turn it off. What do I do?
2030 [13:38:39] <unborn> rootkea: once you done your bit and everything re-installed.. perhaps log out or reboot..
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2032 [13:38:50] <unborn> rootkea: and come back and tell us
2033 [13:39:18] <unborn> terma: hi, is that primus?
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2035 [13:39:51] <terma> unborn: is what primus?
2036 [13:39:54] <unborn> terma: I think you cannot turn this off. if you do it in bios then nvidia would be used all the times
2037 [13:40:16] <rootkea> unborn: sure! BTW it's quite horrible to see those "Removing foo" lines scrolling on your terminal.
2038 [13:40:42] <unborn> rootkea: not at all.. :) just enjoy terminal
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2040 [13:41:02] <terma> unborn: then how do I switch it off?
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2042 [13:41:52] <unborn> terma: sorry - in my own language we call it primus.. meh I mean optimus
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2045 [13:42:44] <sideup66> that makes sense now
2046 [13:43:03] <shellclear> hi guys,sorry for OFFTOPIC msg but someone knows where i found lpi2 discount coupon?
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2048 [13:43:08] <unborn> terma: you have two options.. use bumblebee to manage it for you.. or turn this off in your bios.. but then nvidia will be used all the times.. you will need to install nvidia drives
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2050 [13:43:10] <sideup66> thanks for answering the ? guys!
2051 [13:43:12] <sideup66> :)
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2053 [13:43:17] <c00kiemon5ter> hi all
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2055 [13:43:47] <terma> unborn: Ah, yes, it is an optimus laptop; but can't I use bbswitch to turn it off?
2056 [13:43:49] <c00kiemon5ter> when I do: apt install package-foo # the screen clears once apt is done installing the package. How can I stop that?
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2058 [13:44:09] <rootkea> unborn: Ok. So I uninstalled ca-certificates-java and those 53 packages along with it. Then I fired "apt-get install openjdk-8-jre" and voila!
2059 [13:44:15] <rootkea> Same error! :/
2060 [13:44:38] <rootkea> Now I'm installing ca-certificates-java again. :(
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2062 [13:45:17] <unborn> terma: on my previous laptop I was not able to do it so.. but my previous laptop was a bit older.. I think its no longer supported.. I had to downgrade to my current.. it have (I think intel gfs) but less cpu power..
2063 [13:45:30] <unborn> rootkea: did you do apt-get update?
2064 [13:45:35] <rootkea> And those 53 packages are still waiting to be installed.
2065 [13:45:45] <rootkea> unborn: Yes. I did.
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2067 [13:46:31] <unborn> rootkea: im baffled - this should work normally
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2070 [13:46:46] <rootkea> BTW I remember a distict action in the afternoon concerning java which may have caused the issue.
2071 [13:47:00] <vista> Hi, I am having a ton of trouble getting debian to install - in the installer, only the pendrive I am installing from shows up as an option, but fdisk shows all disks just fine - after that, I attempted to do a "manual" install, did partitioning, debootstrap, installed the kernel image and grub onto the boot partition
2072 [13:47:21] <unborn> rootkea: gosh :)
2073 [13:47:46] <rootkea> unborn: I installed "r-cran-rjava" in the afternoon and I'm seeing this issue now
2074 [13:48:03] <unborn> vista: how did you created your usb stick?
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2076 [13:48:06] <unborn> may I ask
2077 [13:48:21] <vista> after rebooting, grub put me in a grub rescue shell with the error "unknown partition type". I attempted to do a manual install again, thinking I messed something up - now, after doing everything again, I get a grub "Error 17"
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2080 [13:48:37] <unborn> rootkea: as I said.. - gosh :)
2081 [13:48:54] <vista> unborn: I am using a USB stick that worked fine until I got to this specific server
2082 [13:48:54] <unborn> fix that and then reinstall those packages..
2083 [13:48:56] <vista> 8.7.1
2084 [13:49:21] <unborn> vista: sure.. how did you create your usb bootable stick for debian?
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2087 [13:49:37] <vista> It's a debian live stick, by the way, but I used a debian netinst before that
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2089 [13:50:03] <unborn> heh
2090 [13:50:03] <vista> I have no idea, I'll ask the guy who created the bootable pendrive
2091 [13:50:05] <vista> back in a mo
2092 [13:50:08] <unborn> okay
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2094 [13:50:23] <rootkea> unborn: Now what should I do? I do want to install openjdk-8-jre especially given that I have uninstalled 50+ packages for that
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2096 [13:50:34] <unborn> ask him..seems to me as unetbootin.. which is not good idea
2097 [13:50:40] <unborn> vista ^^^
2098 [13:50:51] <vista> the guy who created it is no longer on shift
2099 [13:51:08] <vista> but the disk worked juuuuuuust fine for several installs
2100 [13:51:16] <unborn> vista: if you on linux you can do it by your self.. you dont need anyone
2101 [13:51:32] <vista> I am not physically in the same place as the server :)
2102 [13:51:39] <unborn> vista: sure.. but it was may be created before differently
2103 [13:51:46] <unborn> aha
2104 [13:52:11] <unborn> vista: then email him / message him how did he created usb stick.. if unetbootin - you can have those kind of issues
2105 [13:52:45] <vista> our operators are trained to just dd it to the pendrive
2106 [13:52:55] <vista> if he sticked to the script, that's what happened
2107 [13:53:28] <unborn> rootkea: just install it with apt-get install your package && list of packages from that text file
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2111 [13:53:50] <unborn> as it was outputted from terminal just before you uninstall it
2112 [13:54:10] * unborn hopes you did saved the line which said following packages would be uninstall
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2116 [13:54:55] <unborn> vista: yes.. so usb stick would work.. if not - its may be corrupted or something.. he will have to redo the stick again
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2120 [13:55:14] <unborn> would / should - meaning same for me
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2124 [13:55:30] <micw> hi
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2126 [13:55:52] <dgriffi> unborn: the difference between "would" and "should" is the same as "may" and "shall"
2127 [13:55:52] <unborn> vista .. if that is big word.. you know ;)
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2129 [13:56:04] <micw> seems to be a problem with network-manager-openvpn: it chroots to /var/lib/openvpn/chroot/
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2131 [13:56:05] <unborn> dgriffi: thanks
2132 [13:56:08] <rootkea> unborn: I did and I don't mind the extra work but I'm lil disappointed that I still can't install openjdk-8-jre using apt-get
2133 [13:56:12] <micw> there it fails to read entropy
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2135 [13:56:20] <rootkea> dispite of it being in repos
2136 [13:56:26] <micw> after creating /var/lib/openvpn/chroot/dev/random and /var/lib/openvpn/chroot/dev/urandom it works
2137 [13:56:26] <Vladimirski> When installing debian, I am trying to setup LVM with the whole diskspace but I only want a small part for the system, the problem is that it only gives me the whole disk option
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2145 [13:59:39] <unborn> rootkea: well.. sometimes adding those so called ppas or 3th party repos can damage your system. I am puzzled why on earth you cannot reinstall this package in normal way.. as you should be able now. perhaps lesson learned - if you have snapshots or backups - try to restore them one by one.. if not - backup important stuff to external hdd and reinstall your system - that is all I can say, we spend time on it however something is still preventing you to
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2147 [13:59:39] <unborn> do your task. it would be better to do this way then try to investigate. there is an link which can explain this.. let me dig this out for you
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2149 [14:00:09] <unborn> rootkea: replaced-url
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2158 [14:01:39] <rootkea> unborn: Wish I had knew about that page earlier. Sigh.
2159 [14:01:46] <unborn> rootkea: I did everything I could to make it possible for you to do recover (normally this way always works!) - perhaps my knowledge is a bit limited but replaced-url
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2164 [14:02:42] <unborn> rootkea: if I can suggest you.. install fresh debian with virtualbox.. then in virtualbox.. install debian as well
2165 [14:03:34] <unborn> rootkea: create snapshot of new virtualmachine and do your test there.. if anything will get breake - just redo the snapshot
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2167 [14:03:51] <unborn> this way you can test it with absolutely no harm
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2169 [14:04:11] <unborn> and see it on your own eyes rootkea - im sorry to fail to help you.
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2171 [14:04:35] <rootkea> unborn: Sounds good! No. Please don't be. Thank you for your help! :)
2172 [14:05:13] <rootkea> unborn: BTW a little development if it could be helpful
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2176 [14:06:00] <rootkea> Now when I say intall openjdk-8-jre it doesn't cry for openjdk-8-jre which in turn used to cry for `ca-certificates-java`
2177 [14:06:20] <rootkea> Now it says "openjdk-8-jre-headless : Breaks: ca-certificates-java (< 20160321~) but 20140324 is to be installed"
2178 [14:06:36] <unborn> ah rootkea :) so what was the issue then?
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2182 [14:07:18] <rootkea> Oops! Mistyped. Lemme restate the issue.
2183 [14:07:22] * unborn rootkea you should still install virtualbox and virtual machine with debian just for pure tests before you do implement in real os.. just follow good practice of sysops
2184 [14:08:29] <rootkea> When I try to install openjdk-8-jre-headless which is a dependency for openjdk-8-jre it says "openjdk-8-jre-headless : Breaks: ca-certificates-java (< 20160321~) but 20140324 is to be installed"
2185 [14:09:08] <rootkea> I think it wants to install the older version of `ca-certificates-java`
2186 [14:09:33] * jpw gestures unborn towards vagrant
2187 [14:09:46] <unborn> rootkea: seems right to me, try it!
2188 [14:09:52] <rootkea> How do I ask it to procede?
2189 [14:10:08] <rootkea> BTW I'm already using -f flag
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2192 [14:10:26] <unborn> rootkea: remove already installed ca-cert....
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2194 [14:10:35] <unborn> or at least check them if they are installed
2195 [14:10:43] <unborn> *already
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2197 [14:11:01] <rootkea> Uninstall: just did by myself using apt-get!
2198 [14:11:07] <rootkea> unborn: ^^
2199 [14:11:28] <rootkea> I installed the ca-cerificates-java myself
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2201 [14:12:12] <rootkea> So should I remve it and then install openjdk-8-jre-headless which will install the older version of ca-cerificates-java?
2202 [14:12:18] <rootkea> *remove
2203 [14:12:30] <unborn> rootkea: - sure.. unisntall it and then apt-get install java thingy.. it should install all those certs automatically
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2205 [14:12:53] <unborn> *yes
2206 [14:14:18] <rootkea> unborn: Ok. Now you know what? I uninstalled ca-certificates-java and tried to install openjdk-8-jre which now says "openjdk-8-jre-headless : Depends: ca-certificates-java but it is not going to be installed"
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2208 [14:14:32] <rootkea> *openjdk-8-jre-headless
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2210 [14:15:16] <rootkea> unborn: Now again if I try to install ca-certificates-java by myself it's going to cry for older version WTF!
2211 [14:15:58] <ChrisH> Anyone having a suggestion for a Java Keystore handlung GUI application from Debian repos? I only found Portecle, which is not bundled.
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2214 [14:17:03] <unborn> rootkea: as I said, I think your system is broken.. as last resolution I would try to install just openjdk-8-jre and if that will not work, - as I said, backup it and redeploy whole system.. then without anything to do to main system I would install virtualbox and deploy debian there and do hocuspous magic there.. not on main system..
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2216 [14:17:36] * unborn nods jpw.. I am thinking about it..
2217 [14:19:02] * rootkea wants a simple way to get out of "broken packages" error as he doesn't remember having done anything which will break the system.
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2227 [14:22:12] <rootkea> unborn: I have decided to resort to default-jre and default-jdk which are openjdk-7* instead of openjdk-8*
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2229 [14:22:51] <unborn> rootkea: yeah.. thats another way - but dont your app needs jdk8?
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2233 [14:23:21] <abrotman> rootkea: did you try aptitude?
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2235 [14:23:56] <rootkea> unborn: I am not sure. In middle of a project with chaging tech stack. It's a bit complicated.
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2237 [14:24:18] <rootkea> abrotman: Oh! I forgot aptitude for a while. Lemme try that!
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2241 [14:24:55] <rootkea> unborn: But I just wanted to be on latest tech stack
2242 [14:25:48] <unborn> rootkea: sure.. understood.. sometimes is better to stuck for a while with stable things, you know.. thats why we are all on debian ;)
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2246 [14:26:23] <rootkea> unborn: I know! But the funny thing is openjdk-8-jre is in OFFICIAL repos LOL!
2247 [14:27:36] <unborn> yeah rootkea but the thing is - dont break debian - as I posted to you.. I have no idea what that repo contains or who is the maintainer and other sort of things.. aka what it does update and remove etc..
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2249 [14:28:16] <unborn> its just generally bad idea to add random repos to your main os.. always use virtualbox or anything virtual where you can test it first
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2252 [14:29:39] <unborn> abrotman: hi, I think he done everything with apt-get.. I know I get aptitude is different db for those things but I have feeling he would have same results for this one (sorry if I am wrong)
2253 [14:30:06] <TyrfingMjolnir> Where is will crontab output errors to?
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2256 [14:31:05] <unborn> TyrfingMjolnir: to where you did set it up.. usually its in /var/logs/ or /var/log/
2257 [14:31:15] <TyrfingMjolnir> /var/log/syslog?
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2259 [14:31:37] <unborn> TyrfingMjolnir: it can go even to your emails.. as I said it will go where you tell it to go.
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2264 [14:32:50] <TyrfingMjolnir> I did not tell it
2265 [14:32:54] <TyrfingMjolnir> to go anywhere
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2269 [14:35:07] <unborn> TyrfingMjolnir: so see your log directory but if your cron job ends to not log anything (> /dev/null 2>&1) then you are out of luck unfortunately
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2272 [14:36:23] <jelly> TyrfingMjolnir: output from user's cron jobs goes to user's mail
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2274 [14:36:50] <jelly> TyrfingMjolnir: that means you need to have some kind of MTA (mail server software) installed
2275 [14:36:56] <unborn> jelly not always.. it depends how he did set up the cron command...
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2277 [14:37:05] <jelly> unborn: yes always.
2278 [14:37:49] <unborn> jelly: even if specified in end of the command to > /dev/null 2>&1?
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2280 [14:38:14] <jelly> unborn: then that job definition will not generate _any_ output
2281 [14:38:36] <jelly> that doesn't change how cron works
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2285 [14:39:09] <unborn> jelly: exactly.. its worth to ask user if he did specified this or not.. (not meaning to be offensive or any other rubbish...im just saying)
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2288 [14:39:28] <jelly> unborn: that's not "exactly", that's a different thing
2289 [14:39:42] <depesz> hi. hwo can I make .deb out of "*.dsc, *debian.tar.xz and *.orig.tar.gz ?
2290 [14:39:52] <unborn> jelly - sure I understood.
2291 [14:39:58] <depesz> I don't have debian directory, so can't do (as I usually did) debian/rules binary.
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2296 [14:40:22] <James123_> Hello, I have a partition mounted at /mnt/storage (xfs filesystem) and I want multiple users to read and write freely. Any ideas on how to do that?
2297 [14:40:40] <jelly> unborn, TyrfingMjolnir: you can however ask cron to send output to some address other than local user. man 5 crontab, read about MAILTO
2298 [14:40:52] <TyrfingMjolnir> I receive error: Syntax error: "(" unexpected when running my script from crontab, opposed to running successfully when executed from command line
2299 [14:41:30] <jelly> TyrfingMjolnir: does your script have first line starting with #! and is it executable?
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2301 [14:42:13] <depesz> James123_: chmod 1777 /mnt/storage ?
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2303 [14:42:28] <depesz> TyrfingMjolnir: most likely you used bash extensions, while crontab runs your script using sh
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2307 [14:42:51] <unborn> TyrfingMjolnir: I would agree with jelly.. well its what I previously said, but jelly is much clear about the options (sorry i use cron for long time and sometimes I do not understand start point of the convo when I expecting from user to know cron all the way around) and thank you jelly for noticing me :)
2308 [14:43:09] <James123_> depesz: thank you!
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2312 [14:43:55] <jelly> unborn: oh, and cron jobs won't send output to syslog or anywhere in /var/log unless they're programmed to do that
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2318 [14:44:43] <unborn> jelly - i know, but as we are.... sorry but my cron does as I always say it to do so.. now I see your point in whole.
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2322 [14:45:29] <jelly> unborn: what you told about /var/log was just incorrect in this regard
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2324 [14:45:52] <TyrfingMjolnir> jelly: #!/bin/bash
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2326 [14:46:04] <jelly> cron service _itself_ will log when it started a job, via syslog, but jobs don't do that
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2328 [14:46:20] <unborn> yeh jelly but I did correct my self..
2329 [14:46:20] <depesz> TyrfingMjolnir: run your script, from shell, using: "sh /path/to/script" - is it also erroring out ?
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2331 [14:46:48] <unborn> jelly: sorry I aint mean to upset anyone nor you.
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2333 [14:47:17] <TyrfingMjolnir> Same error, depesz
2334 [14:47:19] <jelly> unborn: the best way not to upset me is not to feed people wrong answers
2335 [14:47:27] <depesz> TyrfingMjolnir: so, this is the problem of cron using sh
2336 [14:47:36] <depesz> configure cron so it will run bash, and not sh
2337 [14:47:36] <unborn> jelly sure. sorry. im quiet.
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2342 [14:48:32] <jelly> you don't have to quiet, just be 100% sure (and verify) how something works before offering suggestions
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2346 [14:49:52] <unborn> jelly: if I do my cron command > /dev/null 2>&1 means no output no logs correct? if not that that is what I get in all wrong
2347 [14:49:58] <rootkea> I was trying to install the openjdk-8-* which is in jessie backports. The problem I was facing is openjdk-8-* requires latest `ca-certificates-java` from jessie backports. But the funny thing with `ca-certificates-java` is it's also in stable repo. So I was not able to install openjdk-8-* using apt-get since it was installing `ca-certificates` from stable repo and not from jessie backports (which was required for `openjdk-8*`)
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2349 [14:50:21] <unborn> if yes.. I was just checking if he does have something like that in a line..that was all.
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2353 [14:51:25] <unborn> rootkea: :)
2354 [14:51:33] <rootkea> Now since I didn't know how to ask apt-get to install the package from a particular repo (In this case from jessie backports and not stable) I was having "broken packages" error with openjdk-8*
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2356 [14:52:04] <jelly> dpkg, tell rootkea about jessie-backports
2357 [14:52:25] <c00kiemon5ter> hi, when I do: apt install package-foo # the screen clears once apt is done installing that package. How can I stop that?
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2359 [14:53:02] <rootkea> Somebody suggested me to use `aptitude` instead of `apt-get`. (I'm sorry I disconnected quite after that so can't attribute) and it's so inuitive in solving "broken packages" thing!
2360 [14:53:15] <jelly> rootkea: replaced-url
2361 [14:53:16] <rootkea> *got disconnected
2362 [14:53:27] <jelly> aptitude is a bit smarted
2363 [14:53:30] <jelly> smarter*
2364 [14:53:41] <jelly> except sometimes it's too smart
2365 [14:53:51] <rootkea> jelly: Was that you who suggested me to use aptitude?
2366 [14:53:59] <rootkea> *were
2367 [14:53:59] <unborn> rootkea: it was abrotman :)
2368 [14:54:00] <jelly> probably not
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2371 [14:54:13] <rootkea> Oh!
2372 [14:54:18] <rootkea> abrotman: Thank you! :)
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2374 [14:54:46] <rootkea> Special thanks to unborn for sticking with me LOL
2375 [14:54:53] <rootkea> :)
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2377 [14:55:35] <rootkea> jelly: A follow up question. Does one should use backports?
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2379 [14:56:02] <rootkea> Sorry for poor English.
2380 [14:56:04] <unborn> rootkea: no problem.. I am sorry to failing you.. I completely forgot about aptitude.. which makes me to write my own notes.. as I said usually I use apt db without needing aptitude.. im glad you did resolved your issue!
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2384 [14:57:22] <jelly> rootkea: if you absolutely need one or more packages that are only present there, yes
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2388 [14:58:22] <unborn> rootkea: replaced-url
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2399 [15:00:53] <kucukayi_> hi guys
2400 [15:01:45] <rootkea> jelly: Are backports less stable or unstable since not in stable?
2401 [15:02:04] <rootkea> unborn: Thanks! checking it out now :)
2402 [15:02:18] <rootkea> kucukayi_: Hello!
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2406 [15:02:43] <kucukayi_> how are you buddy?
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2410 [15:05:01] <petn-randall> rootkea: They're less well tested, but they are usually RC bug free.
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2412 [15:06:07] <rootkea> kucukayi_: Hey this channel is mailnly for technical debian related discussion. May be you should try other channels for casual non-technical discussion :)
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2414 [15:07:08] <rootkea> BTW I'm good! And I hope you are fab too! :)
2415 [15:07:33] <kucukayi_> thx
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2417 [15:07:49] <kucukayi_> I'm ok
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2430 [15:12:06] <dtcrshr> hello everyone. I just installed debian 8 cinnamon with an iso I just downloaded. On installation it claimed that it didnt have the firmware for rtlwifi / rtl8192cfw.bin, but I concluded the installation using a cabled connection, and fully updated my system. I had enabled contrib and non-free on my sources list, and installed firmware-realtek.
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2433 [15:12:50] <dtcrshr> even restarting the network manager, I still dont have wifi avaiable, and modinfo rtl8192ce shows the module
2434 [15:13:01] <dtcrshr> is there any other step to enable the wifi on debian?
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2439 [15:19:00] <teraflops> dtcrshr: did you take a look at replaced-url
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2441 [15:20:33] <dtcrshr> im reading, just a moment
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2444 [15:21:47] <dtcrshr> hm maybe just installing the firmware-realtek isnt enough. Ill try downloading the firmware suggested also
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2446 [15:22:20] <teraflops> dtcrshr: it depends on your device
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2452 [15:22:44] <dtcrshr> it says its about the U devices, mine is rtl8192c
2453 [15:23:03] <dtcrshr> ce, sorry
2454 [15:24:19] <teraflops> dtcrshr: is the pci/usb correct?
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2460 [15:26:22] <teraflops> dtcrshr: I'd trust the device id instead the loaded driver
2461 [15:26:45] <teraflops> of*
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2491 [15:38:40] <dtcrshr> teraflops: well, its embedded on my notebook
2492 [15:39:17] <dtcrshr> ill try to double check the device id, brb
2493 [15:39:59] <shtrb> anyone with displaylink (the USB 2.0 version) and debian sid ?
2494 [15:40:16] <shtrb> I wish to be sure it would work
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2509 [15:42:36] <emmanuel_> need help to clone my linux distro unto a usb
2510 [15:42:44] <emmanuel_> used "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb" to do the copying but running grub-install on the usb does not install grub unto the MBR even though it ends with installation sucessful
2511 [15:42:47] <emmanuel_> anyone
2512 [15:42:49] <emmanuel_> anyone?
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2547 [16:02:09] <pron> i sometimes feel that debian installer software selection part
2548 [16:02:13] <pron> is cimpletely random
2549 [16:02:27] <pron> i just installed 10 boxes with same virtual hardware
2550 [16:02:31] <pron> each time i got difrent offer
2551 [16:02:33] <pron> :D
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2554 [16:05:06] <n4dir> that would probably be a miracle. I'd make a phone call to Rome.
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2556 [16:06:02] <petn-randall> pron: I'd check if you're really using the same installer, last time I checked it was pretty reproducible.
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2559 [16:06:31] <pron> yes it was same :P
2560 [16:07:09] <pron> well it was like 10 completely difrent offers
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2562 [16:07:18] <pron> but some options were thrown in difrent combinations
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2567 [16:08:18] <n4dir> that: replaced-url
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2657 [16:43:55] <rootkea> I know a wrong place to ask a question about a browser Midori but since #midori is being silent lemme try here if there are Midori users out here.
2658 [16:44:11] <rootkea> localhost doesn't resolve to 127.0.0.1 in Midori
2659 [16:44:20] <rootkea> 127.0.0.1 works perfectly though!
2660 [16:44:33] <rootkea> Also I can access the local server using "localhost" string in FF and Chromium
2661 [16:44:50] <rootkea> Oh and I'm using college proxy if that matters.
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2664 [16:45:50] <somiaj> rootkea: what does 'ping localhost' resolve to in a terminal?
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2666 [16:46:34] <rootkea> somiaj: ping's working and resolving to 127.0.0.1
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2670 [16:48:14] <rootkea> A non-related doubt, are the #debian channels on OFTC and Freenode are diferent? I can see many OFTC #debian folks here
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2672 [16:48:24] <somiaj> !oftc move
2673 [16:48:25] <dpkg> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see replaced-url
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2675 [16:48:39] <petn-randall> rootkea: looks like the /etc/hosts of that system is broken. localhost should always resolve to 127.0.0.1 (or maybe the IPv6 equivalent?).
2676 [16:48:51] <somiaj> rootkea: #debian is the only channel on freenode, all specialized channels are on oftc
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2679 [16:49:23] <somiaj> petn-randall: it looked to me like it was resolving correctly and midori is doing something strange.
2680 [16:49:43] <rootkea> petn-randall: It is! I mean on Firefox and Chromium I can access the local server using string "localhost"
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2683 [16:50:09] <somiaj> I see some bugs about midori having trouble with local html files, file:// but I don't htink that is the issue here
2684 [16:50:12] <n4dir> i doubt it will help, but perhaps starting midori from a terminal-emulator will give some info
2685 [16:50:15] <rootkea> It's Midori specific thing I guess. Are there any Midori users who might have a clue?
2686 [16:50:23] <petn-randall> !midori
2687 [16:50:23] <dpkg> Midori is a lightweight graphical web browser based on WebKit. Not part of the Debian 8 "Jessie" release due to bug #759959. replaced-url
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2689 [16:50:50] <rootkea> n4dir: Nice idea! I'm doing that now!
2690 [16:51:10] * n4dir thinks: every jackass on the road has got ideas :-)
2691 [16:51:17] <rootkea> petn-randall: How's that possible? :O I installed it using apt-get install
2692 [16:51:29] <somiaj> rootkea: I don't see anything that is obvious, you are welcome to report a bug, and I'm assuming midori connects to other places just fine?
2693 [16:51:32] <somiaj> ,v midori
2694 [16:51:33] <judd> Package: midori on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.4.3+dfsg-0.1; jessie-backports: 0.5.11-ds1-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.5.11-ds1-4; sid: 0.5.11-ds1-4; experimental: 0.5.12~wk2-exp1
2695 [16:51:38] <rootkea> backports
2696 [16:51:47] <somiaj> rootkea: backports is not offically jessie.
2697 [16:51:50] <rootkea> My bad!
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2699 [16:52:10] <somiaj> rootkea: is your webserver only running on localhost?
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2702 [16:52:31] <rootkea> somiaj: Yes.
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2705 [16:53:22] <somiaj> rootkea: okay was wondering if you could test say another name in /etc/hosts and point it at another ip
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2707 [16:54:09] <somiaj> rootkea: maybe try this. add localhost.com to your /etc/hosts file so that resolves to 127.0.0.1 and see if that works, maybe midori isn't liking localhost as a domain name because it doesn't have a .something on it.
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2709 [16:54:25] <somiaj> rootkea: just a random guess, but something to try
2710 [16:54:36] <rootkea> Also a follow question to earlier one regarding OFTC and Freenode, so it seems people are distributed on OFTC and Freenode. I mean should I also ask this on #debian on OFTC or the messages in this channel are visible to folks on #debian OFTC?
2711 [16:55:08] <somiaj> I also see localhost as an alias for both 127.0.0.1 and ::1 (ipv6), could be midori is trying to connect via ipv6 and not 127.0.0.1 getting to the correct place?
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2713 [16:55:34] <somiaj> rootkea: don't cross post. Since you asked here staying here is fine. In the future you can ask questions on oftc if you awnt.
2714 [16:55:48] <centrx> rootkea: Many people are in both channels
2715 [16:55:54] <somiaj> rootkea: the ops are very similar on both networks and users can choose to be on both networks or not depending on how they like to irc.
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2717 [16:56:15] <somiaj> the freenode channel is a bit more active than oftc, but similar support happens in both.
2718 [16:56:28] <rootkea> somiaj: Got that! Thank you!
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2726 [17:00:37] <rootkea> n4dir: Starting Midori from terminal didn't help. I also tried -d flag for diagnostics but couldn't see a relevant thing on terminal.
2727 [17:00:53] <n4dir> ah, a pity.
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2737 [17:04:20] <rootkea> somiaj: I added the localhost.com to /etc/hosts. Do I need to do something so that the changes get reflected in Firefox (or any browser)
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2740 [17:04:37] <rootkea> I restarted apache2
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2744 [17:08:05] <somiaj> rootkea: shouldn't have to do anything, as this is the resolver and indpendent of your server/client
2745 [17:08:16] <somiaj> rootkea: once you add that ping localhost.com and see that it resolves to 127.0.0.1
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2747 [17:08:46] <somiaj> rootkea: now if midori has its own internal resolver, this can cause issues, but unsure on the details here.
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2819 [17:37:49] <cfkane> Hello all. I have a Debian-8.6 machine running fine as an LTSP server for a dozen clients. Works great. In order to reduce the load on it I'm trying to get some standalone debian machines to boot and get their IP address from the server. That works now works too but I can't get the standalone to route to the outside. The LTSP clients have no trouble. What part of routing on the LTSP server do I monkey with to let it route the standalone client? Thanks so mu
2820 [17:37:49] <cfkane> ch
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2829 [17:39:55] <cfkane> Just to be clear the standalone machine gets nothing from the server except its IP address. Need to add a route to it too.
2830 [17:40:02] <Ormu> leaseweb NL mirror is clogged?
2831 [17:40:16] <tw> cfkane: do you also add a default route?
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2835 [17:41:36] <cfkane> I have tried that but must have been wrong. would the standalone's default be the IP of the server or of the server's default route?
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2838 [17:43:30] <tw> cfkane: Depends on your network. I would normally guess the latter unless you want to be routing through the ltsp server for some reason (masqerade, etc).
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2842 [17:45:18] <cfkane> tw: I'll try both. I'm just ignorant in Linux routing commands. thx!
2843 [17:46:08] <tw> if your standalones are getting IP addresses from the server over DHCP, you can probably set the network and default route in the dhcp server config.
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2895 [18:10:12] <toogley1> are opened ports specific for every user?
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2898 [18:10:55] <dTal> toogley1: no, network interface
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2901 [18:11:14] <toogley1> dTal: ah, okay. thanks
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2948 [18:33:43] <Digital> what's the best filesystem for a bootable usb stick?
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2951 [18:34:38] <mtn_> Digital: do you mean you are putting an iso on the stick?
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2953 [18:35:22] <Digital> I'm going to install debian on an usb drive, which means i put a debian installer on stick a and then install on stick b
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2956 [18:35:57] <mtn_> Digital: no file system is needed when you are going to put the iso on the disk. it will be wiped out by the iso
2957 [18:36:49] <basic6_> a debian 8 system suddenly shut down unexpectedly and syslog does not end with an error message, any other places to look for clues?
2958 [18:37:16] <Digital> stick a will be wiped out but I'll create root,boot and home partitions on stick b. I want a normal system running on a usb stick
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2960 [18:37:45] <mtn_> Digital: ok, so you are talking about installing debian on an usb stick, not putting the iso on it?
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2963 [18:38:27] <Digital> I'm talking about installing debian on a usb stick just like i'd install it on a hard drive
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2965 [18:38:43] <mtn_> Digital: then ext4 would be default
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2969 [18:39:14] <Digital> I heard that ext4 isnt' good for usb flash drives
2970 [18:40:24] <mtn_> Digital: where did you "hear" that?
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2973 [18:41:52] <Digital> mtn_, this server, I don't remember the channel
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2978 [18:43:56] <missmbob> ext4 is perfectly fine.
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2982 [18:44:55] <Digital> okay, just wanted to be sure. thanks ^.^
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3023 [19:00:58] <eblip> test
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3028 [19:01:42] <taylan> can somebody netcat taylan.uni.cx port 12345 please?
3029 [19:02:24] <Digital> why?
3030 [19:02:36] <taylan> testing if dynamic dns worked :P
3031 [19:02:49] <missmbob> taylan.uni.cx: forward host lookup failed: Unknown host
3032 [19:02:55] <taylan> dammit
3033 [19:03:03] <missmbob> !ot
3034 [19:03:03] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
3035 [19:03:34] <somiaj> taylan: I would ask people to ping and verify the ip address over asking them to connect to some random port, many may not trust that
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3037 [19:03:49] <somiaj> taylan: or just use dig or other ways to resolve the host
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3087 [19:21:32] <dtcrshr> hello everyone. Im trying to setup the nvidia driver on my recently installed debian 8. I used the debian wiki for refference, and installed nvidia-detect, and afterwards installed nvidia-driver as suggested.
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3089 [19:21:57] <dtcrshr> After reboot, I got just a blinking cursor, so I installed nvidia-xconfig to setup a new xorg conf, but same results
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3091 [19:22:25] <dtcrshr> Is it possible to use this nvidia-detect or should I download the drivers from nvidia?
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3121 [19:36:05] <ds8g79> did you run it to create the config?
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3124 [19:36:37] <ds8g79> dtcrshr: ^
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3126 [19:36:54] <dtcrshr> yes. It ran and created a copy of xorg.conf
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3129 [19:37:46] <dtcrshr> I also tried in this meantime installing the .run file downloadable from nvidia site (its the 367.x version) also same results, even after removing all other older drivers and nouveau
3130 [19:37:58] <dtcrshr> Im tring now with the jessie backports approack on the wiki
3131 [19:38:07] <ds8g79> don't know then :/
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3135 [19:38:46] <ds8g79> maybe see if xorg log has something in it about it?
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3144 [19:43:46] <ds8g79> dtcrshr: what card?
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3147 [19:44:45] <dtcrshr> gt555m
3148 [19:45:21] <dtcrshr> its an optimus card (hibrid) I used other distros on this notebook with bumblebee
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3157 [19:51:22] <troulouliou_dev> rry
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3171 [19:53:48] <debian-next> Google chrome is freezing on my debian stretch install. I suspect(ed) this to be because of the gpu driver - ati radeon hd 5450, xserver-ati. When i dist-upgrade to sid google chrome works fine, so I am thinking to upgrade my driver, but it seems that the version in stretch is the same as sid. Any suggestions on what to do ? What else might cause this? I need google chrome
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3173 [19:55:19] <awal1> debian-next, 'vivaldi' is a better alternative than 'chrome' from google if you don't like 'chromium'
3174 [19:55:23] <ds8g79> debian-next: is it possible it's the xorg freeze that can be worked around with going to some other tty and back?
3175 [19:55:48] <SynrG> and in any case, if you try chromium and it doesn't freeze, problem solved. if it does freeze, you can pursue it as a bug in debian ...
3176 [19:56:02] <SynrG> but if not, we can't help much, since its only happening in non-debian software.
3177 [19:56:21] <SynrG> or putting it another way:
3178 [19:56:25] <ds8g79> dtcrshr: if it matters, bumblebee wiki says don't make xorg.conf, only for single GPU setups
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3180 [19:56:29] <SynrG> - reproduce the issue in debian, then we can talk :)
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3191 [20:01:26] <debian-next> ds8g79 xorg does not freeze it is just google-chrome. awal1 the non-free google chrome. awal1 i need properiatary google chrome. SynrG I understand. I thought it might be due to some software since it is working fine in sid...
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3193 [20:02:20] <SynrG> ,kernels
3194 [20:02:21] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3); stretch: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.2-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.9.2-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-1)
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3197 [20:02:42] <SynrG> debian-next: different kernel in stretch vs. sid
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3199 [20:02:51] <SynrG> possibly a part of the puzzle?
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3202 [20:03:44] <SynrG> debian-next: otherwise, iterate over all the deps of xserver-xorg-video-ati and see if there is any difference in versions between the two releases (though i haven't spotted any yet)
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3205 [20:04:17] <debian-next> alright...
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3207 [20:04:36] <SynrG> debian-next: also, you know #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net is the place for this discussion :)
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3210 [20:04:50] <SynrG> just realized we're not there :p
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3212 [20:05:19] <debian-next> haha, i thought i was connected to OFTC ( using webbased irc client )
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3217 [20:05:49] <greycat> He apparently clicked the box for "change my nick" instead of the box for "connect to this channel"
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3220 [20:06:24] <SynrG> ... which would do no good on freenode, yeah ... but otherwise a likely scenario :)
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3225 [20:08:53] <FirePowi> Hello, when I try to launch Aegisub or Steam, I have that error message : "Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"."
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3227 [20:10:46] <SynrG> do you have libgl1-mesa-glx and libgl1-mesa-dri installed?
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3230 [20:11:12] <SynrG> FirePowi: and what GPU chipset / driver are you using?
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3232 [20:11:44] <FirePowi> I have a NVidia GF 8400M
3233 [20:11:50] <FirePowi> +GS
3234 [20:12:01] <SynrG> FirePowi: proprietary nvidia driver, or nouveau?
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3237 [20:12:23] <SynrG> FirePowi: did this work before and recently break? or have you never gotten it to work before?
3238 [20:12:36] <SynrG> FirePowi: if it's recent, what changed?
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3240 [20:12:58] <SynrG> (e.g. recently updated to a new release, upgraded testing, etc.)
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3242 [20:13:19] <FirePowi> Never got it to work.
3243 [20:13:34] <FirePowi> (Fresh install)
3244 [20:13:51] <FirePowi> (Well… Not that fresh, in fact)
3245 [20:13:53] <SynrG> so using nouveau?
3246 [20:14:08] <SynrG> (i.e. the driver that is installed by default in debian)
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3248 [20:14:36] <FirePowi> I think I'm using nvidia driver. But not sure. In fact, I installed it and run nvidia-xconfig and reboot.
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3250 [20:15:10] <SynrG> FirePowi: when installing nvidia, make sure you have the right one for your gfx card. there are -legacy versions for older cards.
3251 [20:15:41] <FirePowi> "do you have libgl1-mesa-glx and libgl1-mesa-dri installed?" // Yup.
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3255 [20:16:11] <FirePowi> Have to check there : replaced-url
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3261 [20:17:03] <SynrG> ,v nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver
3262 [20:17:04] <judd> Package: nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver on amd64 -- jessie-backports/non-free: 340.101-2~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 340.101-2; sid/non-free: 340.101-3
3263 [20:17:18] <FirePowi> Oh, thanks.
3264 [20:17:27] <FirePowi> So I should take that one ?
3265 [20:17:30] <SynrG> FirePowi: ^^ says it supports your card. i don't know the package name for jessie that corresponds
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3267 [20:17:43] <SynrG> that one's from jessie-backports. it may not be necessary to use the backports driver
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3271 [20:18:10] <SynrG> my rule of thumb is to start with stable before trying backports
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3274 [20:18:19] <SynrG> and only use backports if i have issues with the one in stable
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3276 [20:18:41] <SynrG> ,v nvidia-driver
3277 [20:18:42] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.101-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.101-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 375.26-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 375.26-1; sid/non-free: 375.26-2
3278 [20:18:50] <Chrismeister> Although I set gnome to never prompt or automatically mount devices my system does. Is there a service automatically mounting devices?
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3281 [20:19:15] <SynrG> FirePowi: looks like jessie has 340.101 anyway, so your card should be supported by the non-legacy 'nvidia-driver'
3282 [20:19:25] <SynrG> FirePowi: so says the package description
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3284 [20:20:23] <FirePowi> Well.
3285 [20:20:40] <FirePowi> It look like not :s
3286 [20:21:05] <SynrG> check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ... is it successfully loading the nVidia driver?
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3289 [20:21:48] <FirePowi> It load "nouveau"
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3295 [20:22:56] <SynrG> FirePowi: then you didn't actually install the non-free driver
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3297 [20:23:09] <SynrG> FirePowi: apt-cache policy nvidia-driver
3298 [20:23:46] <FirePowi> O.o
3299 [20:24:19] <FirePowi> Well… I was sure I did. Now, that's installed ! For sure.
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3301 [20:24:43] <FirePowi> !paste
3302 [20:24:44] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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3305 [20:26:03] <FirePowi> replaced-url
3306 [20:26:17] <FirePowi> Rebooting. BRB.
3307 [20:26:32] <dtcrshr> well, I dont know where to go further. All suggestions and docs regarding installations / removal and cleanup of the system wont give me back the x environment.
3308 [20:27:02] <dtcrshr> I dont want to reinstall debian, is there any other paths to go back to a simple / generic driver? (nouveau, vesa, etc) ?
3309 [20:27:06] <dtcrshr> replaced-url
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3318 [20:31:04] <powi> I'm back. In WeeChat x)
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3326 [20:34:00] <powi> Can I scroll up, with WeeChat ?
3327 [20:34:19] <ceprius> Pg Up and Pg Down
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3331 [20:35:18] <powi> Thanks ceprius
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3338 [20:37:14] <SynrG> powi: k, i looked at your paste ...
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3342 [20:37:47] <SynrG> powi: if it's falling back to nouveau, could be something went wrong. dkms module failed to build? or you have a custom xorg.conf that screwed it up?
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3344 [20:38:20] <SynrG> powi: let's start with what your /etc/X11/xorg.conf looks like
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3346 [20:38:28] <SynrG> powi: we should also see your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
3347 [20:39:08] <powi> Well, how can I Paste it directly in terminal, please ?
3348 [20:39:17] <powi> (As my Xorg is gone)
3349 [20:39:19] <missmbob> !pastebinit
3350 [20:39:19] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b replaced-url
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3352 [20:40:04] <powi> Thanks !
3353 [20:40:14] <powi> And how to copy paste, please ?
3354 [20:40:40] <SynrG> powi: and maybe also: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ -name 'nvidia*.ko'
3355 [20:41:02] <SynrG> powi: see the pastebinit instructions above
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3358 [20:41:19] <powi> paste.debian.net/912551
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3365 [20:42:34] <SynrG> powi: i'm not here much longer. but others can pick up wherever i leave off if we don't solve it first
3366 [20:42:50] <SynrG> powi: how about your /var/log/Xorg.0.log, then?
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3368 [20:43:04] <SynrG> powi: also, check the date with ls -l /var/log/Xorg.0.log and make sure that's really today's
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3372 [20:45:04] <powi> It's today's
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3376 [20:46:09] <OS-26343> aa
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3380 [20:46:44] <SynrG> powi: ok. and this might be useful: update-alternatives --display glx
3381 [20:46:57] <SynrG> powi: as well as the other command i gave before: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ -name 'nvidia*.ko'
3382 [20:47:15] <SynrG> powi: and the /var/log/Xorg.0.log we're still waiting for :)
3383 [20:47:22] <SynrG> powi: ok, i'm outta here in two minutes.
3384 [20:48:10] <powi> Find nothing searching for nvidia*.ko
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3386 [20:48:29] <SynrG> ah. so the dkms build failed?
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3388 [20:48:39] <powi> paste.debian.net/912553
3389 [20:48:55] <powi> SynrG: I think so.
3390 [20:49:15] <SynrG> dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms
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3392 [20:49:54] <SynrG> missing kernel headers for your kernel?
3393 [20:50:03] <SynrG> apt-cache policy linux-headers-amd64
3394 [20:50:17] <powi> Last line : "Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed.
3395 [20:50:25] <SynrG> ok, i'm done
3396 [20:50:28] <SynrG> yeah. missing headers
3397 [20:50:33] <SynrG> install those and all should go well for you :)
3398 [20:50:35] <SynrG> good luck
3399 [20:51:14] <powi> Eh... When I split the screen in half with tmux (Ctrl+"), how to close a split, please ? x)
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3409 [20:53:08] <SanchoPensa> yo, guys!
3410 [20:53:08] <SanchoPensa> can anybody pls explain to me, why my pulseaudio has a constant cpu load of 5% and above, while absolutely NO SOUND is running?
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3412 [20:54:22] <powi> Thanks a lot SynrG Don't know If it'll work, but still you've helped a lot !
3413 [20:54:45] <gftg> powi: Ctrl+x will ask to kill the pane. Is this what you're looking for?
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3415 [20:55:23] <powi> Thanks gftg !!
3416 [20:55:29] <powi> Oreplaced-url
3417 [20:55:34] <powi> I'm soooooo happy !
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3419 [20:56:20] <powi> Well well. Let's stay serious. Please SynrG when you'll be back, note that I'm thankful ! Have a good morning|day|evening|night !
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3427 [20:59:46] <nChomsky> Good evening.
3428 [21:00:19] <nChomsky> I am trying to send a file between a host and a guest VM I've created with KVM.
3429 [21:00:51] <nChomsky> I managed to make a shared folder and was able to send files thorugh it from the guest VM to the host VM.
3430 [21:01:00] <nChomsky> But not the other way around
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3434 [21:02:40] <nChomsky> I get the following error: "cp: cannot open ´file.zipx´ for reading: Permission denied when trying to copy it to my home folder from the shared folder.
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3436 [21:03:07] <nChomsky> Even when I'm root.
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3439 [21:03:43] <JPT> Perhaps your file share has different permissions restricting remote users from reading from it
3440 [21:04:16] <nChomsky> I believe that to be the case.
3441 [21:04:17] <JPT> being root is like being the king within a house. your neighbour still won't worship you :)
3442 [21:04:19] <crackotage> 371!
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3444 [21:04:24] <greycat> NFS in particular maps root to "nobody" for file permission purposes.
3445 [21:04:45] <JPT> squash root
3446 [21:05:02] <greycat> You have more permissions as a regular user than you do as root, when talking to an NFS server without no_root_squash.
3447 [21:05:04] <nChomsky> I see...
3448 [21:05:29] <nChomsky> Let me try it.
3449 [21:06:04] <nChomsky> Ok, squash root is not a command XD
3450 [21:06:17] <greycat> no_root_squash is an option
3451 [21:06:20] <greycat> in the NFS config file
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3453 [21:06:39] <nChomsky> Anyway, this is how I set up the shared folder:
3454 [21:07:24] <nChomsky> "Type: mount / Driver: Default / Mode: Mapped"
3455 [21:07:52] <greycat> what in the HELL does that mean? are you using NFS or something else? what FILE did you EDIT and what COMMANDS did you EXECUTE
3456 [21:08:16] <greycat> if it's NFS you edit /etc/exports and run exportfs -a and so on.
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3458 [21:09:15] <JPT> sounds like nfs through a gui
3459 [21:09:41] <greycat> sounds like a GUI user for sure, but I don't have the slightest clue what file-sharing apparatus is being used
3460 [21:09:43] <nChomsky> I'm using KVM running a Whonix 13. I used the options made available through the GUI following these instructions: replaced-url
3461 [21:10:03] <greycat> !kvm
3462 [21:10:03] <dpkg> Kernel-based Virtual Machine (KVM) is a full <virtualization> solution for Linux hosts on x86 hardware with x86 guests. Packaged as qemu-kvm since Debian 6.0 "Squeeze". See replaced-url
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3464 [21:10:12] <greycat> fucking why....
3465 [21:10:32] <greycat> !whonix
3466 [21:10:33] <dpkg> Whonix is a Linux distribution based on Debian, distributed as two virtual machine images. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. replaced-url
3467 [21:10:43] <nChomsky> Thank you, I'll check their IRC.
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3469 [21:11:05] <JPT> kvm virtualization was quite fun for me, i once installed windows 7 on a dedicated server to run a separate desktop. quite insane when i think about it now :D
3470 [21:11:12] <missmbob> jesus. he's been here for at least a week
3471 [21:11:27] <nChomsky> Hahahaha!
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3473 [21:11:40] <nChomsky> A lot to learn and fuck up.
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3475 [21:12:06] <JPT> Of course :) That's what we're here for. But always make sure to have a backup out of shooting range ;)
3476 [21:12:09] <greycat> How about starting SIMPLE and just using actual operating systems on actual hardware and learning the BASICS before you go and introduce fuckin' virtual machines.
3477 [21:12:24] <greycat> Oh wait, what am I thinking. Nobody would ever do THAT. It's not COOL.
3478 [21:12:35] <greycat> You have to use the latest cool thing.
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3481 [21:12:43] <nChomsky> Man, my first Linux was a Qubes OS.
3482 [21:12:45] <awal1> how to grep "something" in var apt including .gz files
3483 [21:12:57] <greycat> zgrep something /var/whatever/*.gz
3484 [21:13:16] <nChomsky> I started ONLY with VMs.
3485 [21:13:19] <missmbob> note zcat is also a thing
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3487 [21:13:55] <greycat> if you want the zgrep equivalent of grep -r, maybe try shopt -s globstar; zgrep something /var/whatever/**/*.gz
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3489 [21:14:30] <awal1> greycat, good , thanks
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3493 [21:15:37] <pikaro> hi! I'm getting "GPG error: replaced-url
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3499 [21:19:02] <awal1> nChomsky, I haven't really followed your topic bcuz I cleared my irc window and logs aren't enabled but spice-vdagent is what I use when I run qemu-kvm for copy paste and few stuff more
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3503 [21:19:24] <missmbob> awal1: he's not using debian. Whonix
3504 [21:19:39] <greycat> I can't even figure out how many computers are involved in his problem.
3505 [21:19:50] <awal1> missmbob, oh, ok
3506 [21:19:51] <greycat> I assumed there would be TWO, since y'know file sharing, but then this bullshit VM thing popped up.
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3512 [21:21:25] <awal1> dpkg: whonix
3513 [21:21:25] <dpkg> Whonix is a Linux distribution based on Debian, distributed as two virtual machine images. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. replaced-url
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3515 [21:22:01] <nChomsky> Wait, my host is Debian.
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3518 [21:22:29] <nChomsky> Whonix is guest, and it is Debian-based.
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3520 [21:22:41] <greycat> WHONIX IS NOT DEBIAN
3521 [21:22:46] <missmbob> !based on debian
3522 [21:22:46] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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3524 [21:22:58] <nChomsky> Yikes!
3525 [21:23:05] <nChomsky> Ok XD
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3528 [21:23:28] <missmbob> nChomsky: you've been wasting people's time for a week. please go away
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3533 [21:24:31] <nChomsky> Man, my problens through this whole week were based on Debian.
3534 [21:24:38] <nChomsky> Whonix is a new thing.
3535 [21:24:53] <nChomsky> But ok, whatever.
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3583 [21:42:21] <Bray90820> Would this be a good place to get help with raspbian
3584 [21:42:31] <missmbob> !raspbian
3585 [21:42:31] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
3586 [21:42:33] <greycat> No.
3587 [21:42:42] <Bray90820> Thanks
3588 [21:43:16] <Bray90820> Is there an official version of debian for the raspberry pi?
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3609 [21:53:40] <elwisp> whata do do when installer dosent find wifi? I must find a way to install via cable?
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3612 [21:54:15] <Digz> elwisp: just plug in a cat5 cable into your router :)
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3614 [21:54:35] <pikaro> retrying: I'm getting "GPG error: replaced-url
3615 [21:55:40] <elwisp> Digz: i wish i had a cable long enough
3616 [21:56:35] <missmbob> elwisp: you could try an iso with a lot of firmware built in already
3617 [21:56:42] <Digz> ....move a little closer?
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3619 [21:56:58] <missmbob> !firmware iso
3620 [21:56:58] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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3624 [21:58:09] <elwisp> missmbob: thats the one i used
3625 [21:58:27] <elwisp> Digz: well, i could do it, but its a desktop and it would require me setting everything up in a really strange place
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3629 [21:59:14] <elwisp> i was hoping there would be some other installer with more drivers in it
3630 [21:59:52] <missmbob> elwisp: download the package deb on a different computer and move it over with a usb. then dpkg -i foo.deb the firmware and reboot
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3632 [22:00:20] <elwisp> missmbob: hmm
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3634 [22:00:33] <elwisp> dpkg can install into the iso?
3635 [22:00:34] <dpkg> elwisp: I don't know, could you explain it?
3636 [22:01:05] <Digz> bots..... :D
3637 [22:01:08] <elwisp> :D
3638 [22:01:31] <abrotman> pikaro: lenny isn't on those servers, use archive.debian.org
3639 [22:02:25] <Digz> elwisp: may want to download an iso from here: replaced-url
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3641 [22:03:06] <elwisp> Digz: its the one u ise there
3642 [22:03:12] <elwisp> the netinst on 266 mb
3643 [22:03:16] <elwisp> :(
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3646 [22:04:12] <Digz> you may have a wireless card that isn't supported
3647 [22:04:14] <pikaro> GPG error: replaced-url
3648 [22:04:16] <pikaro> :(
3649 [22:04:36] <elwisp> Digz: apparently isent supported bu the installer
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3651 [22:04:57] <elwisp> lspci gives me Network controller: Intel Corporation Device 24FD
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3659 [22:07:09] <demongy> hello everyone. Seems like, after fiddling a bit with ecryptfs-migrate-home (just doing couple of dummy users, deleting them and such) now I can't adduser anymore. This is my error output replaced-url
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3661 [22:07:15] <mutante> pikaro: the "lenny" part in there ... that's many years old
3662 [22:07:26] <demongy> I tried rebooting jessie, same thing
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3667 [22:08:01] <mutante> pikaro: do you have "lenny" in your APT sources.list, but also other code names?
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3671 [22:10:53] <pikaro> mutante, code names are oldstable to experimental otherwise. (stone me.)
3672 [22:10:57] <mad_hatter> somiaj, i installed the new backports kernel from jessie-backports as well as the realtek firmware, still no wifi support, any ideas what could be going on?
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3674 [22:12:11] <pikaro> mutante, I speciffically added lenny a long time ago for a specific package, but I can't find out which one it was any more...
3675 [22:12:13] <mutante> pikaro: lenny is much older than "oldstable"
3676 [22:12:18] <mutante> oldoldoldstable or so
3677 [22:12:30] <mutante> so i think just remove that
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3680 [22:12:59] <mutante> it should make the GPG error go away
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3682 [22:13:13] <pikaro> yeah maybe that's for the best... if the package doesn't exist in any other version any more it probably won't get auto-updated anyway
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3684 [22:14:27] <elwisp> i used my thinkpad to bridge to get network for it
3685 [22:14:41] <elwisp> will be easier to sort out the wifi with the system installed
3686 [22:14:43] <elwisp> thanks guys
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3705 [22:20:33] <Guest58488> hello
3706 [22:20:50] <Guest58488> this command is what I needed
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3708 [22:21:06] <Guest58488> find -depth -execdir bash -c ' conv_name=$(printf %s "$1" | iconv -f utf8 -t latin1 | iconv -f cp1251); mv -v -- "$1" "$conv_name" ' -- {} ';'
3709 [22:21:16] <elwisp> once i have installed tho, I guess i just need to go and fetch the newest kernel i can find?
3710 [22:21:17] <Guest58488> now I have trouble to take it to the menu of Midnight Commander
3711 [22:21:19] <elwisp> and hope for th ebest?
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3715 [22:21:54] <Guest58488> so the question is, how to add a command to the user menu
3716 [22:21:56] <missmbob> elwisp: in jessie-backports
3717 [22:22:06] <missmbob> !tell elwisp about jessie-backports
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3719 [22:22:34] <elwisp> missmbob: i mean this is a lntel wifi card, so there must be support for it
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3722 [22:23:13] <missmbob> elwisp: you'd think. firmware-iwlwifi in jessie-backports
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3724 [22:23:35] <elwisp> worst case i could get a dongle i guess
3725 [22:23:41] <elwisp> i would prefer not to tho
3726 [22:23:44] <missmbob> elwisp: get that and the backports kernel and you're good to go
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3730 [22:24:35] <elwisp> missmbob: thanks
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3738 [22:28:08] <bill_lx> synaptic dpkg -l etc do not show all installed packages - Is there a way that i can search my install and get a list of actual installed
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3741 [22:29:12] <missmbob> bill_lx: dpkg -l |grep ^i
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3745 [22:29:39] <Heston> hello, I'm trying to get a canon mg4120 working on wheezy. Seemed to work out of the box in jessie
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3748 [22:30:01] <Heston> I can't seem to find any relevant drivers in the repos
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3750 [22:31:15] <demongy> checked openprinting yet?
3751 [22:31:52] <elwisp> hmm, next problem, grub dosent install, i have one of those m2 sata ssds
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3754 [22:32:36] <elwisp> is there something that needs to be done
3755 [22:34:32] <bill_lx> missmbob: tried - same doesn't show actual installed packages only those that synaptic shows
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3757 [22:34:55] <missmbob> elwisp: oh. hrm. seems to be the same issue here. replaced-url
3758 [22:35:06] <Heston> demongy, it's not listed there
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3760 [22:35:41] <missmbob> bill_lx: then you didnt use |grep ^i like i said. that shows actually installed
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3762 [22:36:23] <bill_lx> copy and paste
3763 [22:36:28] <elwisp> oh lord
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3765 [22:36:48] <missmbob> bill_lx: dpkg -l |grep ^i shows only installed. trust me.
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3768 [22:37:19] <missmbob> elwisp: i mean you could use stretch installer. it'll be stable soonish anyway
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3771 [22:38:35] <missmbob> elwisp: iso with firmware replaced-url
3772 [22:38:42] <bill_lx> the programs are listed in menu and usable but show as not installed in synaptic - need prog that will search my install and generate its own list
3773 [22:38:57] <elwisp> missmbob: thanks
3774 [22:38:59] <elwisp> ill try it
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3776 [22:39:37] <zykotick9> bill_lx: why do you think it's not listing everything? note, you will only see packages installed using apt/apt-get/aptitude/dpkg/synaptic - did you make/install or install binaries from a web site?
3777 [22:40:17] <elwisp> missmbob: changed some bios settings, if it still fails ill go for stretch
3778 [22:40:43] <bill_lx> think that list generated by apt/synaptic was overwritten somehow/somewhen
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3780 [22:41:18] <demongy> Heston, tried with the package foomatic-db-compressed-ppds?
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3782 [22:42:19] <bill_lx> all were installed by synaptic or apt-get
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3787 [22:43:49] <demongy> Meanwhile, I'll repeat my question: Seems like, after fiddling a bit with ecryptfs-migrate-home (just doing couple of dummy users, deleting them and such) now I can't adduser anymore. This is my error output replaced-url
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3799 [22:48:07] <zykotick9> demongy: does /etc/group exist? does it already have a 1001? you are running that as root right?
3800 [22:49:03] <demongy> zykotick9, /etc/group exist, it does not have a 1001 (I can write it though!) and yes, running as root
3801 [22:49:37] <zykotick9> demongy: ok, just checkin' the basics. i got nothin'... good luck.
3802 [22:50:08] <demongy> zykotick9, damn, thanks anyway!
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3829 [23:03:50] <elwisp> missmbob: cool, stretch says immissing firmware files for wifi
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3831 [23:04:31] <elwisp> iwlwifi-8254-26.ucode -25 -24 -23
3832 [23:04:52] <elwisp> wierd because i use the nonfree iso that you linked
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3840 [23:06:41] <elwisp> missmbob: must have been blutooth or something, beacuse wifi works great with stretch image
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3908 [23:55:11] <Heston> demongy, yeah I already have foomatic-db-compressed-ppds installed
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3910 [23:55:50] <Heston> along with openprinting-ppds
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