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1 [00:01:09] <nintendo3DS> the wpa network I'm trying to connect to from the command line uses a username/password and not a key, but the guides I find for doing so all assume the network uses a key and no username
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6 [00:03:16] <teraflops> wpa enterprise uses user/password
7 [00:03:24] <teraflops> nintendo3DS: EDUroam or something similar?
8 [00:03:49] <nintendo3DS> not sure, it's a college wifi
9 [00:04:03] <bibble> nintendo3DS: may need to use a file
10 [00:04:18] <dondelelcaro> nintendo3DS: you can still configure that using wpa_supplicant or networkmanager if you want
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14 [00:04:54] <dondelelcaro> nintendo3DS: man wpa_supplicant.conf; example #2 is most likely what it is.
15 [00:05:08] <dondelelcaro> nintendo3DS: you don't need to speicfy the phase1/phase2 or the ca_cert in that example
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18 [00:05:33] <nintendo3DS> thanks
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21 [00:06:29] <dondelelcaro> nintendo3DS: if you're using networkmanager, it's easiest to use one of the GUIs, but if you really want, you can edit the configuration files manually and enable them
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53 [00:14:25] <missmbob> nintendo3DS: if you're using networkmanager but aren't in X, nmtui is really great. definitely better than messing with config files
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55 [00:15:22] <hassoon> missmbob: nm-applet too
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99 [00:36:54] <mad_hatter> somiaj: so if i can't get my card working withthe base image on the net install how can i download the newer backporter kernel for jessie and the firmware?
100 [00:37:08] <somiaj> mad_hatter: amd64?
101 [00:37:13] <mad_hatter> yes
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103 [00:37:27] <somiaj> mad_hatter: replaced-url
104 [00:37:33] <somiaj> mad_hatter: replaced-url
105 [00:37:49] <somiaj> mad_hatter: replaced-url
106 [00:38:00] <somiaj> mad_hatter: those three packages should be all you need, copy them over, then dpkg -i them
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108 [00:38:09] <somiaj> mad_hatter: check the firwmare page, see if your chipset is listed.
109 [00:38:29] <mad_hatter> right, so when i get base image installed from the netinstal...i wont have internet...how will i be able to retrieve those pkgs
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111 [00:40:01] <somiaj> mad_hatter: another computer, copy them over via a usb drive
112 [00:40:10] <mad_hatter> no computer and only one usb drive
113 [00:40:13] <mad_hatter> that's the crux of my problem
114 [00:40:30] <somiaj> mad_hatter: it won't matter if you use the netintsall or even dvd1, you'll have to do that to get the newer kernel/firmware
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116 [00:40:46] <mad_hatter> yeah that's my predicament hahah
117 [00:40:57] <somiaj> mad_hatter: you don't have a wired nic? A usb dongle? You can partition the remaining space after putting the installer on the usb drive and put it there.
118 [00:41:00] <Brigo> what about the testing installer?
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120 [00:41:09] <mad_hatter> is there a way i can load the netinstall, the newer kernel, and the firmware all onto a single usb drive?
121 [00:41:11] <somiaj> Brigo: I don't think they have firmware images for that yet?
122 [00:41:19] <mad_hatter> somiaj: i have a wired nic, just no wire
123 [00:41:22] <Brigo> let's check
124 [00:41:56] <somiaj> mad_hatter: after you cp net.iso /dev/sdX, you should be able to create another partition on the remaining space left on the drive -- though I hvaen't tested this in a while, and only recall doing it with live images
125 [00:41:58] <Brigo> it looks like they don't :/
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127 [00:42:11] <somiaj> Brigo: was afraid of that.
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129 [00:42:30] <Brigo> i thought it was a problem of kernel version, not drivers.
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131 [00:42:47] <bazhang> he could a usb stick with persistent
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133 [00:43:10] <Brigo> bazhang, in a live
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136 [00:43:27] <bazhang> Brigo, I meant the other guy
137 [00:43:36] <somiaj> mad_hatter: are you using this computer now, do you plan to format the whole drive? You could make a small partion on your drive and store the .deb's there.
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139 [00:43:51] <somiaj> mad_hatter: but it would be nice to have a backup plan if this dosen't work.
140 [00:44:00] <mad_hatter> yes, i will be using this computer and yes, plan on using the whole drive
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142 [00:44:45] <Brigo> isn't there any options in advanced about choosing a kernel?
143 [00:44:50] <somiaj> mad_hatter: well we have given you a few solutions, you'll have to decide which is best for your situation.
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145 [00:45:19] <mad_hatter> alrighty, well i guess i can try to create a new partition after cp'ing the iso over with the firmware .deb
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147 [00:45:22] <somiaj> Brigo: maybe with a netboot, but that requires a second machine you can boot from on the network I think -- and even then you may have to boot on the kernel given...
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153 [00:49:28] <Brigo> somiaj, i was thinking about choosing kernel flavours.
154 [00:50:01] <somiaj> oh like the i386-amd64 image?
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156 [00:50:55] <nintendo3DS> I'm trying to set it to use an unsecured wifi from the command line, it looks like I have everything set right but it still says the network is unreachable if I try to ping anything
157 [00:51:17] <zykotick9> somiaj: with the new hybrid debian images i wasn't personally able to add another partition to the drive... ymmv?
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160 [00:51:55] <somiaj> zykotick9: yea I was thinking this can only be done with the live images...which of course aren't efi if mad_hatter wanted to use efi.
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163 [00:52:24] <somiaj> nintendo3DS: give more details in what you have done.
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171 [00:54:38] <missmbob> nintendo3DS: you were using ntmui, right?
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174 [00:54:54] <missmbob> nmtui*
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176 [00:56:04] <nintendo3DS> I put an entry in wpa_supplicant.conf of network{ssid="ssid name"\nkey_mgmt=NONE\nscan_ssid=1\n}, did ifup wlan0, somiaj
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178 [00:56:09] <nintendo3DS> that doesn't seem to be installed, missmbob
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180 [00:56:40] <somiaj> nintendo3DS: care to share your interfaces file? Is it setup to use wpasupplicant?
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182 [00:57:13] <nintendo3DS> replaced-url
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188 [00:58:24] <somiaj> the allow-hotplug wlan0 and wlan1 most likely doesn't do anything.
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190 [00:58:31] <somiaj> you could also try not to use wpa-supplicant.
191 [00:58:47] <nintendo3DS> then where would the ssid be specified?
192 [00:59:07] <somiaj> nintendo3DS: try just using wireless-essid my_essid_without_quote
193 [00:59:31] <somiaj> you won't need any encryption or wpa_supplicant and this should just use iwconfig or iw, and not need additoinal features of wpa_supplicant
194 [00:59:36] <nintendo3DS> that isn't installed
195 [00:59:40] <somiaj> though I'm surprised you can't get wpa_supplicant to connect
196 [00:59:44] <somiaj> wireless-tools isn't installed?
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198 [01:00:02] <nintendo3DS> I guess not, bash couldn't find wireless-essid
199 [01:00:18] <somiaj> nintendo3DS: not this is a config for the interfaces file
200 [01:00:26] <somiaj> nintendo3DS: replaced-url
201 [01:00:42] <somiaj> nintendo3DS: iwconfig or iw will be the commands it uses which should be part of wireless-tools which I think should be installed
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203 [01:00:49] <Brigo> what's the meaning of +bp3, +bp2 or +bp1 at the end of a package name?
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205 [01:01:12] <somiaj> Brigo: might be a non-matainer upload
206 [01:01:14] <somiaj> Brigo: what package?
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208 [01:01:29] <Brigo> not matter the package just wondering
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210 [01:02:08] <somiaj> Brigo: standard is usually <upstream version>-<debian revision>+<additional stuff>
211 [01:02:31] <somiaj> Brigo: that additional stuff sometimes appears due to a non-matainer upload for a bug fix, matainer hasn't been around, etc.
212 [01:02:59] <Brigo> somiaj, i know that, but can't see what this bpX stuff. Thanks for the information :)
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216 [01:03:29] <somiaj> Brigo: oh wait, sorry, seems nonmatainer uploads I am use to are -<debian revision>.<another number>
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219 [01:03:41] <SerbianBoY> hi
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224 [01:04:08] <somiaj> Brigo: was just courious if you had a package name, see if it becomes clearer from the changelog
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227 [01:04:49] <Brigo> i am checking some of them, like xserver-xorg-video-vesa 1:2.3.3-1+b3
228 [01:06:05] <SerbianBoY> i said hello
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232 [01:07:09] <somiaj> Brigo: yea I am looking at aptitude, and see no mention of the +b3 in the changelog
233 [01:07:10] <Brigo> somiaj, there is git and svn too
234 [01:07:18] <bazhang> SerbianBoY, this is debian support
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236 [01:07:29] <somiaj> Brigo: maybe #debian-mentors on oftc might have a real answer.
237 [01:07:30] <SerbianBoY> debian
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240 [01:08:22] <SerbianBoY> i use windows
241 [01:08:26] <SerbianBoY> lol
242 [01:08:32] <Brigo> somiaj, yes, i could.
243 [01:08:33] <Brigo> !chat
244 [01:08:33] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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246 [01:08:53] <bazhang> SerbianBoY, did you have something you needed here in debian support
247 [01:09:03] <somiaj> Brigo: wonder if it is some local thing that is useful for the matainer...
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249 [01:09:05] <sstar> hm
250 [01:09:13] <sstar> how do i get mysql to add a admin user
251 [01:09:15] <SerbianBoY> i like to meet people
252 [01:09:18] <SerbianBoY> thats all
253 [01:09:29] <bazhang> SerbianBoY, then find a chat channel
254 [01:09:35] <SerbianBoY> i find
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256 [01:10:16] <SerbianBoY> voice me there
257 [01:10:22] <SerbianBoY> ##chat
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259 [01:10:57] <SerbianBoY> cannot talk
260 [01:11:07] <SerbianBoY> because moderatored channel
261 [01:11:15] <SerbianBoY> and dont understand why ?
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264 [01:11:22] <Brigo> SerbianBoY, this is moderated too.
265 [01:11:38] <SerbianBoY> not
266 [01:11:43] <SerbianBoY> i can type here
267 [01:11:47] <SerbianBoY> i cant there
268 [01:11:49] <SerbianBoY> on ##chat
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270 [01:12:17] <teraflops> SerbianBoY: msg people there or operator is they have @
271 [01:12:19] <somiaj> SerbianBoY: we are not here to support ##chat, you may need to register your account, ask in #freenode for information on registering an account. Some channels require this.
272 [01:12:21] <teraflops> !next
273 [01:12:21] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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275 [01:12:44] <teraflops> s/is/if
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277 [01:13:16] <SerbianBoY> no operators there
278 [01:13:19] <SerbianBoY> only chanserv
279 [01:13:20] <SerbianBoY> lol
280 [01:13:36] <sstar> how do i reset the mysqld admin user password
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282 [01:14:00] <nintendo3DS> problem seems to be that whcpdiscover is never getting a response
283 [01:14:06] <nintendo3DS> dhcpdiscover
284 [01:15:05] <missmbob> !ifmrp
285 [01:15:06] <dpkg> If you've forgotten the <MySQL> root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start See also replaced-url
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287 [01:15:09] <somiaj> SerbianBoY: they are probably quiet, you can get a list from ChanServ, you should also take these questions to #freenode
288 [01:15:33] <SerbianBoY> im find israel channel
289 [01:15:38] <SerbianBoY> they are ok
290 [01:15:43] <Brigo> there is bp3 and b3, i just realized it now.
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293 [01:17:00] <somiaj> Brigo: yea, i'm not seeing anything in the policy manual nor the changelog about what it means.
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297 [01:18:55] <somiaj> Brigo: random guess, could it have something to do with version bumps due to RC-bugs during the freeze....
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299 [01:19:16] <somiaj> Brigo: well not version bumps, but bugs are fixed, so there needs to be a version bump, but the freeze won't allow it.
300 [01:19:24] <SerbianBoY> im bored
301 [01:19:26] <somiaj> though I would think this would be in the changelog
302 [01:19:26] <SerbianBoY> good night
303 [01:19:38] <SerbianBoY> you can banned me from here if you want
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306 [01:20:03] <somiaj> SerbianBoY: we would prefer you just stay on topic. /msg nickserv help for registering an account
307 [01:20:28] <SerbianBoY> ok
308 [01:21:14] <somiaj> Brigo: from packages.debian.org for dash (who has +b1 +b2 and +b3 for different arches) "dash (0.5.7-4 and others)" -- so it means and others.....
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310 [01:22:28] <Brigo> somiaj, quotting d-mentors: " meaning “the third rebuild of the binary package, from the source package version 1:2.3.3-1”"
311 [01:22:40] <SerbianBoY> ok
312 [01:22:41] <SerbianBoY> -NickServ- SerbianBoY is now registered
313 [01:22:43] <SerbianBoY> done
314 [01:22:52] <SerbianBoY> !op me now
315 [01:22:54] <somiaj> Brigo: ahh so these are appeneded by sbuild it seems.
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317 [01:23:09] <somiaj> Brigo: probabaly triggered by libaries changing.
318 [01:23:17] <somiaj> (so depends may change, but the source is the same)
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321 [01:23:57] <Brigo> somiaj, it has sense.
322 [01:25:42] <Brigo> somiaj, i'm going to bed, thanks for the support in this quest! :D
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326 [01:26:00] <somiaj> Brigo: thank you, I like learning new things, and now we know.
327 [01:26:26] <Brigo> somiaj, bye!
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332 [01:27:10] <mad_hatter> somiaj I installed the netinst base system and dpkg -i'd the firmware
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334 [01:27:55] <mad_hatter> is there anything else I need to do to get the wifi working?
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407 [01:59:37] <ddybing> Hi! I'm having a problem with isc-dhcp-server on Debian. May I ask the question here?
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409 [02:01:10] <sstar> at least you can ask me
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449 [02:32:05] <nauticalnexus> There a way to use Jessie on Skylake? Like, use my iGPU to its full potential?
450 [02:32:24] <nauticalnexus> or should I just wait for Stretch
451 [02:32:46] <somiaj> maybe not full potential, but you can get a new kernel and xserver-xorg-video-intel from jessie-backports wich support skylake
452 [02:32:56] <jelly> unlikely to be full support, but getting kernel and xorg drivers from jessie-backports may just make things usable
453 [02:33:02] * jelly slow
454 [02:33:05] <nauticalnexus> lol
455 [02:33:12] <nauticalnexus> gosh jelly
456 [02:33:30] <jelly> nauticalnexus: /msg dpkg jessie-backports, /msg dpkg bdo kernel
457 [02:33:33] <missmbob> throw mesa in there
458 [02:33:43] <jelly> and also: firmware and xserver-xorg-video-intel
459 [02:33:51] <jelly> I don't think there are backports of mesa
460 [02:33:56] <somiaj> mad_hatter: and the kernel and packages from jessie-backports? REboot, check it worked, look at dmesg | grep firmware and 'ip addr' and it should list your wifi device. AFter that you need to manually configure it
461 [02:33:57] <nauticalnexus> hmm
462 [02:33:59] <jelly> ,v libgl1-mesa-dri
463 [02:34:00] <judd> Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on amd64 -- wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 12.0.4-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 13.0.3-1; sid: 13.0.3-1; experimental: 17.0.0~rc2-1
464 [02:34:04] <jelly> or maybe there are
465 [02:34:09] <nauticalnexus> but it's 12 :(
466 [02:34:21] <jelly> probably better than 10.3.2
467 [02:34:24] <somiaj> there are backports for mesa, but it takes a bit of work to get it installed (lots of libs)
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469 [02:34:41] * TomTomTosch points out that using the modsetting driver in encouraged over xserver-xorg-video-intel with newer versions.
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471 [02:34:48] <nauticalnexus> I like libs
472 [02:34:50] <somiaj> I doubt you need firmware, or I don't recall intel gpu's needing formware, just newer kms module from a kernel.
473 [02:34:59] <nauticalnexus> TomTomTosch, actually no, it's worse than xserver-xorg-video-intel
474 [02:35:03] <nauticalnexus> don't spread false info pls
475 [02:35:34] <nauticalnexus> somiaj, jelly can I get newer plasma-desktop through backports?
476 [02:35:38] <nauticalnexus> wait.. the command..
477 [02:35:41] <nauticalnexus> .v plasma-desktop
478 [02:35:42] <jelly> nope
479 [02:35:43] <missmbob> no
480 [02:35:45] <nauticalnexus> aw
481 [02:35:47] <somiaj> afiak xserver-xorg-video-intel is beign replaced by xserver-xorg-video-modsetting, but this isn't backported so the version in jessie might not be up to par.
482 [02:35:52] <nauticalnexus> I like plasma 5
483 [02:35:58] <jelly> kde is a big pile of poo
484 [02:36:02] <TomTomTosch> alright.
485 [02:36:04] <nauticalnexus> D: jelly !!
486 [02:36:05] <somiaj> nauticalnexus: no, DEs are to large and interconnected, I have yet to see one backported.
487 [02:36:16] <jelly> backports focus on easily isolated components
488 [02:36:34] <nauticalnexus> how am I gonna get my sweet KDE 5 then!? D:
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490 [02:36:41] <jelly> in stretch
491 [02:36:55] <jelly> when it's out
492 [02:37:26] <somiaj> nauticalnexus: stretch is almost frozen, there are still a good number of rc-bugs floating around, but biggest draw back in stretch is no timely security support.
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495 [02:38:06] <nauticalnexus> well this sucks
496 [02:38:40] <missmbob> somiaj: is xserver-xorg-video-modsetting supposed to exist?
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498 [02:39:06] <somiaj> missmbob: sorry it is modesetting -- I always mess that one up
499 [02:39:35] <somiaj> aparentally a more standarized interface to talk directly to kms drivers, the stretch xserver-xorg-video-intel package suggests using it for newer intel gpu's, though I haven't tested it
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501 [02:40:13] <nauticalnexus> I dunno what to do I'm in distro limbo :o
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505 [02:40:48] <somiaj> nauticalnexus: choice is yours, stable + backports will work while you wait for stretch to release, or just use stretch with its limitations, mostly security support (which isn't as big of a deal on desktops)
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507 [02:43:25] <nikfarm> Hello, I'm trying to "stream" a simple webcam output with "python -m SimpleHTTPServer (port)" using a symlink from the local directory using "ln -s /dev/video0 index.html" so I should be able to view it through my browser, however this is not working, what is going wrong?
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509 [02:43:47] <nikfarm> I added read permissions to /dev/video0 for others
510 [02:43:49] <nauticalnexus> somiaj, idk, I'm pretty comfy on Sid, but I just had my first "hardlock" and I DID NOT like it one bit
511 [02:44:22] <nauticalnexus> but I have Skylake so I need more recent software stuffs
512 [02:44:32] <somiaj> nauticalnexus: Feb 5th is the final date on the freeze, after that is it is just RC bugs, so it is a matter of what you prefer.
513 [02:44:50] <somiaj> nauticalnexus: I've seen people get skylake working with jessie-backports as I suggested, but it might not give full gpu/opengl for say gaming.
514 [02:44:59] <nauticalnexus> yeah I do gaming sometimes.
515 [02:45:05] <nauticalnexus> the occasional Civ V
516 [02:45:34] <somiaj> I've also seen people upgrade the mesa to backports, for better opengl, but since your hardware isn't natively supported choice is yours while you wait for stretch
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518 [02:45:51] <nauticalnexus> hmm..
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521 [02:46:08] <somiaj> nauticalnexus: note testing seems to have less omg bugs than sid since packages have to live in sid for 10 days before making it to stretch, so sid users are the first gunipigs
522 [02:46:26] <nauticalnexus> guinea pigs? :P
523 [02:46:26] <somiaj> nauticalnexus: though testing has other issues, but since transitions are all complete, no transitions to worry about, leaving mostly the security problem.
524 [02:46:33] <somiaj> nauticalnexus: yea
525 [02:46:41] <nauticalnexus> I was told testing has the worst security out of the three
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527 [02:46:48] <nauticalnexus> and I like my security.
528 [02:46:51] <somiaj> it does, due to that 10 day wait in sid
529 [02:46:53] <nauticalnexus> so I went to unstable
530 [02:47:10] <somiaj> unstable will more likely run across bugs that break things
531 [02:47:20] <nauticalnexus> I've experienced that sadly.
532 [02:47:23] <somiaj> you can't really win with #debian-next, it jsut depends what you want to deal with.
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534 [02:47:38] <nauticalnexus> I just don't know what to use anymore.
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536 [02:48:09] <somiaj> but as stretch gets closer and closer to a release, it gets more and more like stable should be...and testing does get grave security issues put into it, the recent security issues I've seen were pushed through sid really quickly
537 [02:48:21] <somiaj> nauticalnexus: I use jessie on my work machines and stretch on my home gaming desktop
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539 [02:48:47] <nauticalnexus> somiaj, does said desktop have skylake?
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544 [02:49:25] <nikfarm> anyone?
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546 [02:50:13] <somiaj> nauticalnexus: no, on my gaming machine I've always used nvidia, as I have had very little problems with the nvidia drivers...only time I had problems, turned out to be the card which I got replaced via an RMA
547 [02:50:14] <nauticalnexus> somiaj, OH I have a rather new Intel wifi card and.. last time I tried Jessie it didn't read it.
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549 [02:50:27] <somiaj> same thing you can get newer kernel and firmware from jessie-backports
550 [02:50:48] <nauticalnexus> somiaj, can I have backports enabled in the netinst iso?
551 [02:50:50] <somiaj> nauticalnexus: you'll need a lot from backports to run your newer hardware, but still the majority of your system will be stable.
552 [02:50:52] <nauticalnexus> and it's nonfree firmware :o
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554 [02:51:00] <somiaj> you can't during the install, you have to manually install them afterwards
555 [02:51:33] <nauticalnexus> I have to do things? uuuughhh :P
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558 [02:51:48] <somiaj> nauticalnexus: there also isn't a firmware installer for stretch, yet
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560 [02:52:18] <nauticalnexus> but that's how I installed Debian on this laptop :O
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563 [02:52:56] <somiaj> nauticalnexus: when one's hardware sint' supported...you gotta make a choice what works best for you, or just wait
564 [02:53:01] <somiaj> !stretch pool1
565 [02:53:06] <nauticalnexus> replaced-url
566 [02:53:07] <somiaj> !stretch pool 1
567 [02:53:08] <dpkg> ! cruncher=2017-04-12 cruncher=2017-02-18 bæbīlen=2017-05-06 TomTomTosch=2017-08-08 greycat=2017-08-15 jellÿ=2017-03-17 themíll=2017-05-01
568 [02:53:26] <somiaj> nauticalnexus: is it actually out there, someone looked eariler and couldn't find an actoual image.
569 [02:53:37] <nauticalnexus> yeah
570 [02:53:39] <nauticalnexus> for the netinst
571 [02:53:46] <nauticalnexus> which is what I always use anyway :P
572 [02:53:55] <nauticalnexus> that's the link to it. rc1
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574 [02:54:07] <nauticalnexus> with non-free firmware
575 [02:54:07] <somiaj> nauticalnexus: bt-cd might just be bittorrent files, does it actually download an iso? Anyways, my guess for stretch is june/july give or take a month
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577 [02:54:17] <nauticalnexus> yes indeed
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579 [02:54:31] <nauticalnexus> here the iso link replaced-url
580 [02:55:03] <nauticalnexus> I mean it exists. I just search hard for things ;P
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583 [02:55:48] <somiaj> nauticalnexus: maybe it will work, (:
584 [02:56:02] <nauticalnexus> I've used the alpha 7 one before :P
585 [02:56:16] <nauticalnexus> my server is on Stretch. Because I was dumb at the time lol
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588 [02:56:39] <nauticalnexus> part of me is like "nooo not fixed releases again!" lol
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631 [03:33:43] <awal1> ,v firestarter
632 [03:33:44] <judd> Package: firestarter on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.3-11
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635 [03:36:36] <hmuller> any recommendations for apt-cacher-ng drive space?
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646 [03:40:42] <awal1> is there any tool like apt-listbugs security advisories (security bugs) specific?
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657 [03:49:19] <hmuller> awall: I don't see one, looks like your best bet is the mailing list: replaced-url
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661 [03:50:14] <nikfarm> Hello, I'm trying to "stream" a simple webcam output with "python -m SimpleHTTPServer (port)" using a symlink from the local directory using "ln -s /dev/video0 index.html" so I should be able to view it through my browser, however this is not working, what is going wrong?
662 [03:50:19] <nikfarm> I added read permissions to /dev/video0 for others
663 [03:52:00] <awal1> hmuller: yeah, looks like there isn't a security advisories specific tool, and yes I subscribed to that list yet . thanks :)
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679 [04:02:33] <jelly> nikfarm: that's not how streaming works, you need something that can actually talk to the video device, and convert to a http stream. like vlc.
680 [04:03:49] <nikfarm> jelly: do you recommend anything very lightweight?
681 [04:04:13] <jelly> no ideas other than vlc really
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689 [04:09:55] <mad_hatter> somiaj: can u link me to the proper kernel and packages from Jessie backports. I'm on a new device
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715 [04:29:09] <lux_ATOM_netbook> so in trying to bypass a broken headphone jack I put a IOGEAR GBU 521 bluetooth dongle and am trying to pair to a bluetooth audio speaker. pairs to my phone and transfers files but no luck with the speaker.
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744 [04:45:24] <sstar> mhm
745 [04:45:26] <sstar> annoying
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749 [04:48:32] <sstar> grub is broken
750 [04:48:33] <sstar> i think
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760 [04:53:48] <random_numbers> Hello. Is ecryptfs functional by default on debian?
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768 [04:57:44] <tomcres> lux_ATOM_netbook, if you type `dmesg | grep brcm`, do you see a message about missing firmware?
769 [04:57:55] <sstar> bla
770 [04:58:05] <sstar> why is grub broken
771 [04:58:32] <sstar> it fails on harddrives and partitions and filesystems
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788 [05:02:35] <jim> sstar, what specifically is failing? what is it you're trying to do?
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790 [05:02:56] <sstar> eh
791 [05:03:04] <sstar> it cant find disks,partitions and files
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793 [05:03:10] <sstar> i know it found them before
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795 [05:03:19] <sstar> and it gets loaded from a flash
796 [05:03:32] <jim> so this is when you boot?
797 [05:03:41] <sstar> it worked on that hardware before
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799 [05:03:55] <sstar> and grub gets loaded from the flash so i guess access works on the first sectors
800 [05:04:04] <sstar> even if the drive is biglba
801 [05:04:19] <sstar> well (hd0,1) maps to nowhere
802 [05:04:46] <sstar> it stopped working after a upgrade
803 [05:04:57] <sstar> probably because grub configuration changed a bit
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805 [05:05:01] <jim> still not quite getting it... what are you trying to do with this happened?
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808 [05:05:33] <sstar> if the system fails to configure a working grub configuration well
809 [05:05:34] <jim> booting? installing grub? running the shell?
810 [05:05:42] <sstar> i managed to install grub
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812 [05:05:58] <sstar> but it still cannot find partitions and files
813 [05:06:03] <sstar> even that worked before
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821 [05:06:47] <jim> are you running the linux that the grub is installed on?
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828 [05:12:06] <Varegotch> ¡Hola!
829 [05:12:12] <Varegotch> ¿Alguno en español?
830 [05:12:27] <coruja> !es
831 [05:12:27] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
832 [05:12:53] <Varegotch> Thank you, but that channel is dead. uwu
833 [05:12:56] <Varegotch> Somebody can help me? I've problems with my gnome.
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835 [05:13:29] <Varegotch> I haven't the "Activities" menu
836 [05:13:41] <Varegotch> Just have "Aplications" and "Places"
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838 [05:15:29] <tomcres> Varegotch, what graphics card and graphics driver are you using?
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840 [05:15:50] <jim> sstar, anyway, since you've upgraded, you might want to either reinstall grub (grub-install /dev/sda or sda1, maybe on the /boot), and/or generate a new config file (I think the command is grub-update)... there is probably not enough information to get more specific than that, you could consider providing some.
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843 [05:16:40] <jim> sstar, in any case good luck
844 [05:17:18] <sstar> well as i said i installed grub the problem is only when it loads it produces errors and i only got a serial console
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846 [05:18:14] <sstar> its difficult to diagnose grub anyway
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849 [05:20:03] <sstar> i guess the problem is i need grub-pc-veryoldhardware-net5501 package back
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855 [05:24:48] <buenouanq> hi folks
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859 [05:25:36] <buenouanq> I have a Think Penguin USB wireless thing that used to work on Debian but is doing weird things now.
860 [05:26:08] <buenouanq> Proper firmware is installed in /lib/firmware/ as it should be.
861 [05:27:20] <nikfarm> jelly: as a lightweight vlc alternative, how about motion?
862 [05:27:33] <buenouanq> But whatever the problem is seems to be bigger than this - It like, traps any commands while its plugged in. If I start or try to run something, nothing happens - Until I unplug it, then everything all gets through at once.
863 [05:27:48] <buenouanq> nikfarm: try mpv - You'll never want to use anything else.
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867 [05:29:23] <Sexy-Luli> replaced-url
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869 [05:30:10] <nikfarm> buenouanq: why is it so superior? motion takes up less space
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873 [05:32:04] <buenouanq> nikfarm: the plaintext config and lua extensibility
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876 [05:33:40] <lux_ATOM_netbook> someone know bluetooth issues? dongle wont pair to speaker but pairs to phone just fine.
877 [05:34:02] <bin_bash> hello, just got a debian vps setup and i'm trying to install weechat. never run into this before, but i was hoping maybe someone had some insight: replaced-url
878 [05:34:08] <somiaj> mad_hatter: replaced-url
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881 [05:34:31] <somiaj> !bat
882 [05:34:31] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
883 [05:34:50] <somiaj> bin_bash: ^^ -- how about just start with apt-cache policy and apt-cache policy weechat-devel-plugins
884 [05:35:00] <bin_bash> okay one moment
885 [05:35:17] <somiaj> bin_bash: also the error seems to be with held or broken packages on your system, but that output will be a start.
886 [05:35:34] <Varegotch> tomcres, I've Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x209)
887 [05:36:10] <Varegotch> Gnome v.3.4.2
888 [05:36:11] <bin_bash> somiaj: yea, just not sure what caused it. here's the output for you: replaced-url
889 [05:36:56] <Varegotch> tomcres: Running from virtual box...
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891 [05:37:05] <mad_hatter> somiaj the first two links are no good
892 [05:37:24] <somiaj> bin_bash: the only sources you have are for secuirty and weechat. I can't attest to how well weechats repo is, but you have no offical jessie repo
893 [05:37:28] <somiaj> !jessie sources.list
894 [05:37:28] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
895 [05:37:31] <somiaj> bin_bash: ^^
896 [05:37:36] <bin_bash> whoops
897 [05:37:41] <somiaj> mad_hatter: ignore the comma at the end.
898 [05:37:51] <bin_bash> somiaj: i had a feeling i was missing the correct repos
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902 [05:39:19] <bin_bash> somiaj: i had some other repos in there, but had forgotten to run apt update -.-
903 [05:39:22] <bin_bash> thank you
904 [05:39:33] <Varegotch> Somebody can help me? I've problems with my gnome.
905 [05:39:37] <Varegotch> I haven't the "Activities" menu
906 [05:39:40] <Varegotch> Just have "Aplications" and "Places"
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909 [05:41:09] <somiaj> Varegotch: what makes you think such a menu should exist?
910 [05:41:27] <somiaj> Varegotch: I don't know gnome so I'm unsure on this, but, 'apt-get install gnome' you have all the main gnome packages installed?
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914 [05:44:07] <Varegotch> somiaj: Because I saw some tutorials and they have 'Activities' menu... I'm not sure if I haver all the main gnome packages. I'm running Debian from Virtual Box.
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916 [05:44:45] <somiaj> Varegotch: was this tutorial using Debian and/or the same version of gnome?
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918 [05:45:49] <Varegotch> somiaj: Yup. I'll try to execute 'apt-get install gnome', maybe will be what you say about main gnome packages.
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920 [05:46:53] <Varegotch> somiaj: Wait... I'm using Debian Wheezy 7.3
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922 [05:47:44] <Varegotch> somiaj: I was install Debian previously, and in the others machines got this 'activities' menu.
923 [05:48:39] <awal1> Varegotch, if my memory is good, enabling 'applications ' and 'places' extensions, 'activities' gets disabled
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925 [05:49:08] <Varegotch> somiaj: Woah, seems that I don't have all the main gnome packages.
926 [05:49:21] <somiaj> Varegotch: that could be it, it could also be you need jessie.
927 [05:49:32] <awal1> to get it back try disabling apps and places extensions (gnome-teak-tool)
928 [05:49:38] <somiaj> Varegotch: also wheezy no longer has security support for desktops, so if running wheezy + gnome you have known security holes
929 [05:49:45] <Varegotch> awal1: How can I disable 'applications' and 'places'?
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931 [05:50:18] <awal1> Varegotch: apps and places aren't enabled by default in gnome-shell
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933 [05:50:51] <somiaj> on wheezy? It could be just an issue with an old gnome
934 [05:50:51] <awal1> they are part of gnome-shell-extensions
935 [05:51:15] <awal1> that's what I remember on wheezy, yeah
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939 [05:53:21] <awal1> Varegotch: by activities you mean activities button ( about what I was talking) or the activities window or I dont know how is called (when you press 'Super' ?
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942 [05:53:26] <sstar> mhm
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944 [05:53:34] <k000> how i use aptitude for remove gnome?
945 [05:53:51] <Varegotch> somiaj, awal1: I'm executing the 'apt-get install gnome' command. Maybe when I install Debian, isn't downloaded all the main gnome packages.
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947 [05:55:12] <Varegotch> awal1: Yeah, I mean activities button
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949 [05:55:24] <awal1> If you refer to the activitoes button in top shell panel check via 'gnome-tweak-tools
950 [05:55:46] <awal1> as I told you
951 [05:56:11] <awal1> enabling 'applications ' and 'places' extensions, 'activities' gets disabled
952 [05:56:53] <awal1> you may have enabled them before?
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954 [05:57:22] <Varegotch> awal1: Nope, I didn't touch it before.
955 [05:57:56] <awal1> I'm 99% sure about that on wheezy
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957 [05:58:10] <Varegotch> awal1: I can't found the option to disable 'applications' and 'places'.
958 [05:58:31] <awal1> using gnome-tweak-tool ?
959 [05:58:41] <Varegotch> Yes.
960 [05:59:01] <awal1> that's weird
961 [05:59:16] <Varegotch> awal1: I was install Debian Wheezy previously in another machine and 'activities' was enable.
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963 [05:59:26] <awal1> you may have got a broken gnome, or maintainers may have changed stuff since then
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966 [06:00:09] <awal1> I have no clue then; I haven't used gnome since wheezy
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968 [06:00:46] <Varegotch> awal1: My terminal got me some errors.
969 [06:01:10] <awal1> i hav e it in vm (stretch) ; now applications is enabled by default
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971 [06:01:40] <awal1> gnome have now a bit of new look
972 [06:02:24] <Varegotch> awal1: When I run gnome-tweak-tool, my terminal give me some errors.
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974 [06:02:57] <awal1> Varegotch, which kind of errors
975 [06:03:52] <ragedragon> Hello, i have a stupid question maybe
976 [06:03:55] <Varegotch> awal1: WARNING : Shell not running
977 [06:03:55] <Varegotch> Traceback (most recent call last):
978 [06:03:55] <Varegotch> File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gtweak/tweaks/tweak_shell.py", line 59, in __init__
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983 [06:04:25] <ragedragon> is it possible to use a common /home partition and 2 / partition, one for unstable and the other for stable?
984 [06:04:25] <Varegotch> Traceback (most recent call last):
985 [06:04:25] <Varegotch> File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gtweak/tweaks/tweak_shell.py", line 59, in __init__
986 [06:04:25] <Varegotch> self._shell = GnomeShellFactory().get_shell()
987 [06:04:25] <Varegotch> File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gtweak/utils.py", line 38, in getinstance
988 [06:04:26] *** Varegotch was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
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990 [06:04:40] <Varegotch> kwargs.get('flags', 0), kwargs.get('timeout', -1), None)
991 [06:04:41] <Varegotch> File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/types.py", line 43, in function
992 [06:04:43] <Varegotch> return info.invoke(*args, **kwargs)
993 [06:04:45] <Varegotch> GError: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.Shell was not provided by any .service files
994 [06:04:50] <Varegotch> WARNING : Could not list shell extensions
995 [06:04:52] <Varegotch> Traceback (most recent call last):
996 [06:04:54] <Varegotch> File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gtweak/tweaks/tweak_shell.py", line 64, in __init__
997 [06:04:56] <Varegotch> extensions = self._shell.list_extensions()
998 [06:04:58] <ragedragon> the reason is that i would prefer to back to stable from unstable
999 [06:04:58] <Varegotch> AttributeError: ShellThemeTweak instance has no attribute '_shell'
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1010 [06:08:47] <Mr-Varegotch> ...
1011 [06:09:01] <Mr-Varegotch> awal1: I'm sorry. I'm noob here...
1012 [06:09:09] <somiaj> ragedragon: possible yes, but if config files for software versions needed in unstable are different than for stable, you will have issues with configurations between the two. Config options/formats dont' always stay the same.
1013 [06:09:27] <ragedragon> somiaj, ok understood
1014 [06:09:28] <ragedragon> thx
1015 [06:09:38] <ragedragon> the best will be to backup all partitions first
1016 [06:09:53] <ragedragon> and see if downgrade will be possible
1017 [06:10:14] <somiaj> ragedragon: if you are just trying to keep the same home and install stable you maybe fine, but a dual boot that uses both somewaht regurally will be more problem match
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1019 [06:10:19] <somiaj> also downgrading really isn't supported, reinstall
1020 [06:10:37] <ragedragon> yes this is what i understood
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1022 [06:10:59] <DrProf> Simple question for you all - thanks in advance. How can I remove computer, home, and trash icons from desktop in Jessie?
1023 [06:11:22] <Mr-Varegotch> Am, how can I get unbanned here? :$
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1025 [06:11:36] <ragedragon> somiaj, maybe i should wait my unstable distro to match the stable one. What do you think?
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1028 [06:11:58] <ragedragon> and continue only with security and stable packages
1029 [06:12:11] <ragedragon> for new deb install.
1030 [06:12:20] <somiaj> DrProf: do you just want no icons? Or want to remove just those ones? In gnome nautilus (the filemanager) controls the icons on the desktop
1031 [06:12:24] <ragedragon> for new debian pkg install
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1033 [06:12:49] <Olufunmilayo> hey guys question. I have set my iptables to log, which they are, and the logs are going to /var/log/messages. I have changed that in rsyslog to instead send them to a log file of their own and it works but however /var/log/messages is still being logged to as well. the way that I sent the logs to my custom log file is to add at the bottom of rsyslog the following ";msg. contains, "whatever" /var/log/whatever.log ;msg, contains,
1034 [06:12:49] <Olufunmilayo> "whatever" ~ what I'd like to do is have the iptable logs go to just the log file I direct it to and no where else, anyone have any idea what I missed or care to help guide me in the right direction?
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1037 [06:13:28] <DrProf> somiag: I just want no icons on the desktop itself. Have caja installed.
1038 [06:13:35] <somiaj> ragedragon: stretch is basically frozen, so you would have to downgrade from sid to stretch to stabalize with it. Might work since they are close but still a lot of work. But for a new install if you want to run stretch and stablize with it, it should be fine with a reinstall, though stretch has no timely security support right now, such as the chormium security fix that won't be in it right away.
1039 [06:13:36] <awal1> Mr-Varegotch, no idea about all those errors. also, debian official support for wheezy ended past April
1040 [06:13:53] <awal1> ask in room.
1041 [06:13:57] <somiaj> Mr-Varegotch: you don't look banned to me, just stay on topic.
1042 [06:14:03] <awal1> no pm pls
1043 [06:14:13] <Mr-Varegotch> awal1 ok
1044 [06:14:26] <somiaj> DrProf: check the settings for nautillus and see if you can just disable them there. Not positive on gnome, but google may help
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1046 [06:14:36] <Mr-Varegotch> somiaj Am, i'm connected from a VPN.
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1048 [06:14:49] <DrProf> somiaj: I'll keep poking around. Google is usually my friend, but not this evening. Thanks!
1049 [06:15:27] <somiaj> Mr-Varegotch: I don't know, some networks are banned due to being abused, but the one you are talking on seems just fine.
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1051 [06:15:46] <ragedragon> somiaj, ok i see thx for note about stretch
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1054 [06:16:25] <Mr-Varegotch> somiaj Am... i'm banned from freenode.
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1056 [06:17:12] <somiaj> Mr-Varegotch: take that up with #freenode
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1058 [06:17:42] <Mr-Varegotch> somiaj, I try to send something from my terminal, so I copy and paste idiotly.
1059 [06:17:55] <Mr-Varegotch> of my terminal*
1060 [06:18:54] <somiaj> Mr-Varegotch: anyways issues with freenode is off topic here, take it up with the staff.
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1066 [06:21:53] <Mr-Varegotch> somiaj Thank you
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1075 [06:27:20] <Varegotch> Hi again. UwU
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1080 [06:29:51] <Varegotch> awal1: Are you here yet?
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1083 [06:30:10] <Varegotch> awal1: there*
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1085 [06:30:22] <awal1> yes
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1088 [06:30:47] <Varegotch> awal1: Sorry for the trouble.
1089 [06:31:10] <awal1> but i'm clueless about gnome, sorry :)
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1091 [06:31:41] <somiaj> To ensure it is not user settings getting in the way, you could try to create a new user, add it to similar groups and login with that user so you get the defaults.
1092 [06:31:56] <Varegotch> awal1: Thank you anyway. UwU
1093 [06:32:23] <Varegotch> I'll restart this.
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1114 [06:44:54] <nikfarm> if aptitude says "Need to get 102 MB of archives. After unpacking 205 kB will be used." does it mean it will use up 102MB+205kB of space after completion?
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1124 [06:49:41] <nikfarm> or is it 205kB will be used after using the archives of 102MB?
1125 [06:49:55] <nikfarm> and thus removing 102MB of archives again
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1127 [06:50:12] <bolt> nikfarm: you can remove the archives yourself. /var/cache/apt/...
1128 [06:50:19] <bolt> nikfarm: or simply "apt-get clean"
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1130 [06:50:58] <somiaj> nikfarm: cauclation is based only off the install size without the archive reported by the package
1131 [06:51:21] <somiaj> nikfarm: this may also leave out size of additional config files and other stuff (that is assoicated with but not part of the package)
1132 [06:51:23] <nikfarm> somiaj: so in my case 205kB
1133 [06:51:28] <somiaj> correct
1134 [06:51:32] <nikfarm> thanks!
1135 [06:52:09] <nikfarm> how is it possible though that 102MB will be downloaded to eventually only use 205kB of it
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1137 [06:52:25] <somiaj> debian packages are .ar archives which have some compression
1138 [06:53:06] <nikfarm> that's some impressive compression then
1139 [06:53:25] <sstar> hm
1140 [06:53:26] <somiaj> text files have lots of room to compress, binaries not so much, so kinda depends on the package. Some contain lots of text data
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1142 [06:53:32] <sstar> a debian live usb stick wouldnt be bad
1143 [06:54:07] <AlexLikeRock> somiaj, o/
1144 [06:54:53] <somiaj> sstar: there are debian live images out there, though debian doens't have a robust live setup, the images may be limited compared to other live distros.
1145 [06:55:10] <sstar> well
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1147 [06:55:23] <sstar> i only need a working bootloader an initrd and a linux kernel
1148 [06:55:28] <sstar> to boot from disk
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1150 [06:56:09] <somiaj> sstar: live images don't have efi boot, so if you have to boot efi they won't work, but debian does have live images you can get if needed.
1151 [06:57:26] <AlexLikeRock> i install hplip
1152 [06:57:29] <AlexLikeRock> and not open
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1154 [06:57:37] <AlexLikeRock> and hplip-gui
1155 [06:57:40] <AlexLikeRock> and not open
1156 [06:58:10] <AlexLikeRock> terminal say : " hplip-gui: command not found "
1157 [06:58:46] <somiaj> AlexLikeRock: dpkg -L hplip-gui -- check what hte actuall binary it installed is
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1159 [06:59:33] <AlexLikeRock> replaced-url
1160 [06:59:35] <AlexLikeRock> somiaj,
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1162 [07:00:10] <buenouanq> I need help with this wireless dongle.
1163 [07:00:27] <AlexLikeRock> tanks
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1165 [07:00:48] <bolt> nikfarm: you are downloading updates
1166 [07:00:59] <bolt> nikfarm: the packages will replace existing files
1167 [07:01:01] <AlexLikeRock> tanks somiaj now its open, by : /usr/share/menu/hplip-gui
1168 [07:01:01] <buenouanq> If it's plugged in and I try to open or run something, it get `stuck' loading until I unplug it.
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1170 [07:01:14] <AlexLikeRock> its xtrange, they not open at terminal
1171 [07:01:29] <bolt> nikfarm: thus the downloaded size is a lot larger than the end result. you can also get messages saying a negative amount of space will be used, for the same reason
1172 [07:01:31] <somiaj> AlexLikeRock: near the end, hp-foo are the binaries it installed, and it looks like hp-systray is what is meant to be autostart, which you can check the .desktop file /etc/xdg/autostart/hplip-systray.desktop for details
1173 [07:01:44] <nikfarm> bolt: I thought that had things to do with it too, 102MB to 205kB sounded quantum-like
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1175 [07:02:15] <AlexLikeRock> somiaj, tanks,
1176 [07:02:16] <somiaj> AlexLikeRock: that is just the old debian menu method entry that is probabaly running hp-systray which is what the autostart .desktop file will do, though you may have to login to do that if it didn't start when isntalling the package.
1177 [07:02:17] <bolt> nikfarm: ..and in the wrong direction. compressing 205kB to 102MB would be the worst compression algorithm in the world
1178 [07:02:34] <nikfarm> bolt: yeah :D
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1180 [07:02:57] <AlexLikeRock> somiaj, yes , but , its stupid, NOT OPEN BY TERMINAL
1181 [07:03:00] <nikfarm> "anticompression"
1182 [07:03:03] <AlexLikeRock> any program
1183 [07:03:17] <AlexLikeRock> do you agree with me ?
1184 [07:03:30] <somiaj> AlexLikeRock: what do you mean? Just because the binary name is not hplip-gui, that is just a package name.
1185 [07:03:53] <somiaj> AlexLikeRock: /usr/share/applications/hplip.desktop -- look at that to see what the binary it actually runs is
1186 [07:04:43] <AlexLikeRock> ok, look :
1187 [07:04:46] <AlexLikeRock> $ hplip
1188 [07:04:46] <AlexLikeRock> bash: hplip: command not found
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1190 [07:04:59] <AlexLikeRock> tha NAME its hplip
1191 [07:05:04] <AlexLikeRock> and not open
1192 [07:05:11] <somiaj> that package contained no binary called hplip
1193 [07:05:38] <AlexLikeRock> well
1194 [07:05:44] <somiaj> it contained a lot of binaries of the form hp-foo and for ease of use contained an autostart entry and a menu entry for the user to just select it form the menu if they didn't want to look up the binary
1195 [07:05:45] <AlexLikeRock> how its the stupid ?
1196 [07:05:49] <somiaj> I'm tell you how to look up the binary.
1197 [07:05:51] <AlexLikeRock> programer or me ?
1198 [07:06:06] <somiaj> AlexLikeRock: not all binary names match packages. Sometimes a package is a collection of binaries
1199 [07:06:48] <AlexLikeRock> so... must be start EASY ! , please , we are a billions of NOVICE user
1200 [07:07:14] <AlexLikeRock> well
1201 [07:07:18] <AlexLikeRock> any way
1202 [07:07:35] <AlexLikeRock> its a point of observation
1203 [07:07:45] <AlexLikeRock> end of theme , please :-D
1204 [07:07:56] <somiaj> AlexLikeRock: enough of this. It provides a menu entry and a autostart .desktop file, to me it seems like it does start easy if you use what it applies.
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1206 [07:08:17] <AlexLikeRock> ok fine :-D
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1208 [07:08:22] <somiaj> but yes if you want to run the binary directly, it helsp to know its name, hence look at the .desktop file to see what it is ruuning, my guess is hp-systray
1209 [07:08:26] <AlexLikeRock> LOGOUT ... LOGIN
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1238 [07:31:22] <phorce1> OK, this is horrible. I had a nologin user that somehow had a home directory of "/" and I didn't know it. I used userdel -r. It deleted a LOT of stuff (like all of /var). Is there any possible recovery? The last backup is REALLY old.
1239 [07:33:04] <bolt> phorce1: if you haven't touched your filesystem at all, you may be able to use an undelete tool, but at best you could extract what you should have backed up and reinstall
1240 [07:33:22] <somiaj> phorce1: but you should shutdown the system imediatally, make a backup image, and try to recover from the backup image
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1242 [07:33:34] <somiaj> if you want to try to recover data that has been deleted.
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1252 [07:38:01] <phorce1> All nighter, coming up {sigh}
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1259 [07:40:59] <earendel> hi.. is declare -x github_username="earendel" a proper way to set an environment var?
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1265 [07:43:46] <earendel> export github_username="earendel" ?
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1318 [08:15:03] <phorce1> /etc /home both look OK. Sucks that the list of installed packages would have been in /var
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1322 [08:18:34] <phorce1> currently looking for drives big enough to image the system (which is a 276G hardware RAID5) then run run testdisk or photorec. I have a bunch of 250G drives lying around {sigh again}
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1330 [08:22:17] <bla> phorce1, I haven't heard the rest of the story but I hope you'd have a backup next time. :)
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1332 [08:22:30] <bla> photorec... not sure how it will work for /var
1333 [08:23:03] <bla> userdel shouldn't be removing / to be honest. In any case.
1334 [08:23:53] <bla> I guess it should print warning or do nothing if the $HOME is not owned by the user.
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1342 [08:26:30] <phorce1> bla: userdel -r tries to remove the users home directory. When I figure whay there was a user with / as home I'll probably write a bash wrapper that prevents that behavior it it turns out to be something we need.
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1352 [08:30:56] <contrapunctus> o/
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1354 [08:31:24] <phorce1> Since I don't seem to have a large disk on hand I'll probably have to run testdisk live. I can back up the still existing directories with tar since they will definitely be under 250G then try to recover /var/replaced-url
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1356 [08:32:03] <contrapunctus> How may I check the contents of partitions during the install? I try 'mkdir /media/something' then 'mount /dev/sda1 /media/something/' in the shell and it says "invalid argument"
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1383 [08:50:16] <nikoyabb> try just type 'mount' wthere will be all mounted partitions. When installation is being in process, it should have /dev/sda1 already mounted somewhere.
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1398 [09:00:13] <phorce1> copying to a USB mounted drive is horribly slow. 4.5GB is going to take a while (using tar|pv|tar)
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1408 [09:02:51] <Stummi> phorce1, not with USB 3 and compatible drives ;)
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1427 [09:08:25] <phorce1> Stummi: I'm not even sure this particular machine has USB 2. It's an OLD server that is scheduled for retirement ... but it has to be running to be retired. :(
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1430 [09:09:30] <noc_> if rw access is not needed (as you'll reinstall anyway), it may be faster to store it compressed (tar.gz), then archivemount(1) it when read-only access is needed
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1435 [09:11:35] <eugenmayer1> is there still not security release for openssl in debian / debian stretch?
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1438 [09:11:44] <phorce1> noc_: I want readable copies of the filesystem parts that weren't deleted. It will help me when I try ext4magic on the original filesystem. Reading through things like the apache2 configs for doc root locations
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1440 [09:11:53] <missmbob> eugenmayer1: no security in stretch
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1443 [09:12:33] <eugenmayer1> missmbob: that said, i am screwed since i need a 1.0.2+ openssl version for tomcat5, using the stretch one, but now screwed again since it is not patched?
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1457 [09:21:24] <eri451> o/
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1459 [09:22:03] <eri451> I have some scripts that should be in a package instead of being all over the place
1460 [09:22:10] <phorce1> my brain is firing in 20 different directions on this. Probably would have been faster to tar to a sata/sas drive in another machine across the gigabit network instead of to a USB drive
1461 [09:22:13] <eri451> but where should I put them?
1462 [09:22:25] <phorce1> but it's over half done now
1463 [09:22:37] <eri451> /usr/share/ ?
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1465 [09:23:08] <eri451> and link them to /usr/local/bin? or directly there
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1582 [10:29:42] <ben25> hello, i just installed chromium, it keep asking for some pasword or something, what is that?
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1613 [10:39:03] <petn-randall> ben25: How are you starting it?
1614 [10:39:15] <petn-randall> ben25: Can you show a screenshot?
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1616 [10:39:41] <ben25> clicking from the menu
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1619 [10:40:02] <ben25> petn-randall, it seems to be the general keyring thingy?
1620 [10:40:05] <ben25> never used it
1621 [10:40:27] <petn-randall> ben25: And what password is it asking for? What's the full text of the prompt you're getting?
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1625 [10:41:03] <ben25> i'll do a screenshot but it's in french
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1628 [10:41:30] <petn-randall> ben25: It might be the gnome keyring it's asking for.
1629 [10:42:27] <ben25> and why would he want that and also keep asking
1630 [10:42:36] <ben25> i won't give it anything!
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1632 [10:42:49] <ben25> that piece of crap from the evil empire
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1634 [10:43:31] <petn-randall> ben25: It's probably just saving any saved password to your keyring, instead of internally.
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1636 [10:43:46] <ben25> replaced-url
1637 [10:43:48] <petn-randall> ben25: I'm just guessing, never used gnome-keyring, and only occasionally use chromium.
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1642 [10:45:13] <FinalX> heh, damn. replaced-url
1643 [10:45:13] <ben25> well can it just stfu or something?
1644 [10:45:14] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1654 [10:52:28] <ben25> ok i had to add "--password-store=basic" to the command (from the menu button)
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1658 [10:53:26] <realies> I'd like to clone an debian 8 OS hdd drive to an ssd, what's the best way to do it?
1659 [10:53:39] <realies> and can the cloning happen meanwhile the os is running?
1660 [10:53:42] <realies> from it
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1690 [11:10:49] <bolt> realies: partition it and run rsync? then run grub-install
1691 [11:11:18] <bolt> realies: you can most likely do that while it's running, but any files being written to while you do so would be in an inconsistent state
1692 [11:11:55] <bolt> realies: not a good way to copy logfiles, email storage and similar if you want to make sure they're readable afterwards
1693 [11:11:56] <realies> bolt, if I do an install to the ssd an then run rsync, would I still need the grub-install?
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1695 [11:12:14] <bolt> realies: grub is not installed on the file system
1696 [11:12:39] <bolt> rsync would not sync installed bootloaders
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1699 [11:14:00] <phorce1> realies: regardless of how you move the files you should boot from a live CD to do that part. Don't try while running from the hard drive
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1707 [11:15:50] <realies> I'm sure I can run a live distro to do that, but I'm afraid I can mess things up
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1710 [11:16:33] <ZtolenClothes> why was retroarch removed from the repos? Or is it in another repo?
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1766 [11:39:38] <phorce1> realies: So long as you don't use any commands that delete from the original hard drive it doesn't matter if you mess up. Just do it again until you get it right.
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1768 [11:40:37] <contrapunctus> How may I check the contents of partitions during the install? I try 'mkdir /media/something' then 'mount /dev/sda1 /media/something/' in the shell and it says "invalid argument"
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1774 [11:44:38] <noc_> contrapunctus, dmesg | tail
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1777 [11:45:12] <noc_> blkid /dev/sda1
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1779 [11:45:13] <jelly> contrapunctus: output of lsblk or blkid, whichever exists in installer's shell
1780 [11:45:38] <contrapunctus> aha, thanks!
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1784 [11:47:35] <_Nox> Hello beautiful people
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1786 [11:48:01] <contrapunctus> _Nox: wrong chan? ;)
1787 [11:48:27] <jelly> nope
1788 [11:48:36] <_Nox> nope
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1790 [11:48:51] <careta> hey guys
1791 [11:48:52] <contrapunctus> nope
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1793 [11:49:00] <careta> I'm seeing this when running aptitude /usr/lib/ruby/vendor_ruby/httpclient/session.rb:953:in `read_body_length': Object#timeout is deprecated, use Timeout.timeout instead
1794 [11:49:08] <careta> any idea what might be?
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1796 [11:49:36] <careta> also this error happens every time Error while merging /usr/share/doc-base/kino-en with /usr/share/doc-base/kino-fr: format html already defined
1797 [11:49:45] <careta> doesn't seem to do any harm, but it's annoying
1798 [11:49:46] <phorce1> dd appears to be moving about 40GB/hour across the network. Only 6 more hours until I have a mountable image of my ~280GB borked filesystem to try some recovery tools on. WooHoo!
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1828 [12:06:03] <contrapunctus> Why am I not able to mount a partition during the install, though? blkid does not tell me what the partition contains
1829 [12:06:18] <contrapunctus> even df could be helpful...if I could mount the partition :\
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1831 [12:06:36] <contrapunctus> (is it because it's an NTFS partition?)
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1853 [12:21:12] <vahe> hi all, replaced-url
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1857 [12:24:53] <petn-randall> vahe: Do what now?
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1860 [12:26:07] <vahe> petn-randall: add it please :) repo
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1864 [12:26:51] <TomTomTosch> !rfp
1865 [12:26:51] <dpkg> Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See replaced-url
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1957 [13:02:22] <petn-randall> vahe: You can do a "Request For Package", see dpkg's message above.
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1961 [13:03:34] <vahe> TomTomTosch: еслif you're not busy can you do it? I'm not a developer, just like the game :D
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1973 [13:05:43] <TomTomTosch> no, someone who actually uses the software should package and maintain it.
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1989 [13:10:53] <bch> hi, i installed gcc5 from testing on debian 8.7. this pulled in a lot of packets (libc6, g++5, ...). is there a clean way to remove those packets from testing (i normally try to avoid it but i had to experiment with something)?
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1991 [13:12:21] <bolt> bch: next time: chroot
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1993 [13:14:14] <TomTomTosch> no easy way except for a reinstall, but you can start with getting a list. aptitude search '~S ~i ~Atesting'
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1996 [13:15:11] <bch> TomTomTosch: the best thing might be to wait until i can upgrade to debian 9 i guess?
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1998 [13:15:43] <TomTomTosch> that's a possibility too, but installing new packages in the meantime might be a problem.
1999 [13:15:57] <jelly> bch: or reinstall
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2013 [13:27:15] <dob1> hi, i have some mail files, in "raw" format with all the headers, how can i read them other than opening them with an editor?
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2015 [13:27:29] <ViPure> Hi everyone, I'm trying to install debian on my HP notebook but it doesn't work with the network card. I didn't had any trouble with the installation of ubuntu on my HP Notebook. Does anyone faces similar problems ?
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2021 [13:28:46] <dob1> ViPure, maybe ubuntu kernel in newer and support your network card
2022 [13:29:37] <TomTomTosch> !firmware image
2023 [13:29:37] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
2024 [13:30:10] <TomTomTosch> if that doesn't work, there are newer kernel and firmwares in jessie-backports.
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2026 [13:30:38] <ViPure> I used the newest one from de debian site is there a site to see if the kernel works with my network card ?
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2034 [13:33:48] <ViPure> thaaanks
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2056 [13:53:36] <dionysus69> uhm I have gnome, and some weird thing is happening. When I switch to a different language keyboard. ctrl + copy and paste and pretty much all shortcuts stop working. can you hint me at what could be at fault?
2057 [13:54:11] <Digital> between which languages are you switching?
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2061 [13:56:23] <dionysus69> georgian and english
2062 [13:56:25] <dionysus69> Digital:
2063 [13:56:31] <dionysus69> locale: ka
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2065 [13:56:44] <dionysus69> it used to work! I can confirm!
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2069 [13:58:08] <Digital> dionysus69, the shortcut is probably bound to the letter of the key, not the key itself
2070 [13:58:32] <dionysus69> ye weird
2071 [13:58:41] <dionysus69> its not that critical, just a little annoying
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2073 [13:59:12] <Digital> what program did you use for the keybindings?
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2089 [14:10:50] <KjetilK> Some time ago, I repurposed an old box as file server, and then, I found it had floppy connectors, and I had a floppy drive lying around, so I put it in there, "just in case"...
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2091 [14:11:10] <DrBunsen> Hello, is anyone here using firefox? I wanted to switch from chromium to firefox, but firefox is so much more slower than chromium, it actually freezes up my desktop for a second at times. Is this a known issue? Or is this a special case?
2092 [14:11:47] <KjetilK> lo and behold, yesterday, I found some floppies with pictures that my father left, but all I see in dmesg is
2093 [14:11:50] <Digital> I'm using firefox too but i don't have problems
2094 [14:11:51] <KjetilK> [ 3.724020] floppy0: no floppy controllers found
2095 [14:12:21] <KjetilK> does this mean that my floppy drive is defective, or may there be other causes?
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2097 [14:12:31] <Digital> (it works fine until i have a lot of tabs loaded at the same time for some hours)
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2105 [14:15:45] <DrBunsen> Digital: I am having it mostly with whatsapp web, but it runs poor on general
2106 [14:16:11] <Digital> DrBunsen, what hardware do you have?
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2110 [14:17:00] <DrBunsen> Digital: fast enough. Some I5 from last year and a capable gpu. 8 gb ram.
2111 [14:17:51] <Digital> dunno, firefox works fine for me
2112 [14:18:07] <FinalX> firefox deals with javascript poorly
2113 [14:18:22] <FinalX> and therefore feels sluggish in general, as compared to chrome/opera/etc
2114 [14:18:28] <DrBunsen> FinalX: that would explain the lagg in the whatsapp web tab
2115 [14:18:42] <Digital> i disabled javascript
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2119 [14:20:03] <DrBunsen> So, I should replace FF with chromium? Any cons / pros?
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2127 [14:22:10] <FinalX> All browsers have their own advantages and disadvantages. Firefox is very standalone, Chrome/Chromium often use OS things, Opera uses the same base as Chrome/Chromium, but offers other cool features.
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2129 [14:22:47] <FinalX> I use 4 different browsers for 4 different reasons :)
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2131 [14:23:52] <DrBunsen> FinalX: I wouldn't use Chrome, since it is closed source(and google).
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2133 [14:24:04] <DrBunsen> But I like the safe page feature on firefox
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2137 [14:25:35] <FinalX> To each their own; the webkit Chrome uses is open source, and used by Chromium and Opera as well.
2138 [14:25:52] <FinalX> And with Chrome there's also the Canary version, the beta channel, let's say
2139 [14:26:14] <FinalX> I like using Opera, comes with other built-in features, like tab groups, but also built-in VPN client and such.
2140 [14:26:40] <Digital> I wouln't trust the vpn
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2142 [14:26:54] <FinalX> I don't either, but it's useful at times to test stuff.
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2145 [14:27:12] <DrBunsen> I like the smoothness of chromium, but I like the way extensions/addons work on firefox
2146 [14:27:19] <FinalX> "Test from random location that's not my own", for instance ACL's and such.
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2152 [14:28:20] <FinalX> DrBunsen: I have Chrome open for WhatsApp web. That's it. Normal stuff I do in Opera, feature testing in Chrome Canary, and work stuff, especially things that require SSL cert auth or better privacy, in Firefox.
2153 [14:28:59] <FinalX> (in reality, Firefox is not that much more aimed at privacy than the others, but still)
2154 [14:29:15] <DrBunsen> FinalX: is there a reason you are not using chromium for whatsapp web?
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2156 [14:30:06] <FinalX> No particular reason :)
2157 [14:30:20] <DrBunsen> ahh okies
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2159 [14:30:36] <FinalX> It's just that I work for an internet hosting & access company, and our users don't use Chromium, and Chrome a lot.
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2162 [14:30:54] <FinalX> So keeping up with what they will see/get feature-wise, is a good thing, too.
2163 [14:31:07] <DrBunsen> ahhh of course.
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2165 [14:31:50] <FinalX> also, I hate to admit it, but even Microsoft stepped up with Edge.
2166 [14:32:13] <FinalX> it's really fast as well, on par with Chrome/Chromium/Opera now for JavaScript stuff, as well.
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2169 [14:32:31] <FinalX> Firefox should really join the rest in terms of speed :)
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2171 [14:34:04] <DrBunsen> it shouldn't be that hard, just copy paste the javascript part and make it work with FF. (I know I am simplifying it)
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2174 [14:36:27] <FinalX> oh, and in Opera I have the default adblocker enabled in it. works well enough, also with exceptions. and doesn't block scripts coming from the same host, so pages usually work fine.
2175 [14:37:39] <DrBunsen> yeah I heard that, but what ever happened to KISS(keep it simple stupid). I mean make your briwser great and let the community make the add block?
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2184 [14:41:21] <soupmagnet> Does anyone know how to get the integer or boolean value of something defined with xset?
2185 [14:41:46] <soupmagnet> ...the keyboard backlight for example
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2195 [14:45:04] <ImUs3r> what is linux log command d????
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2200 [14:45:46] <DrBunsen> do you mean something like dmesg?
2201 [14:45:53] <ImUs3r> yes correct
2202 [14:45:55] <ImUs3r> dmesg
2203 [14:45:58] <ImUs3r> :)
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2247 [15:01:28] <colo-work> since upgrading to Linux 4.8 from jessie-backports, I notice that on a lot of our Intel-based machines, systemd-udevd hangs like this: replaced-url
2248 [15:01:34] <colo-work> dae experience something like this?
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2262 [15:09:45] <CodeMachine> Amigos. How come version 45 of firefox is the version in synaptic?
2263 [15:11:33] <TomTomTo1> because that's firefox extended support release. replaced-url
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2276 [15:18:02] <it0> Hi everyone, hope you're all doing fine!
2277 [15:18:10] <al3xclarke> hi all, how do i check the status of iptables on Debian-Jessie?
2278 [15:18:30] <jelly> colo-work: no idea, but there's 4.9 in backports already
2279 [15:18:50] <colo-work> hrm!
2280 [15:18:54] <colo-work> thanks for letting me know
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2286 [15:20:14] <toogley> what is the "DI" in debian-stretch-DI-alpha8-amd64-netinst.iso ?
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2288 [15:20:34] <dgriffi> does anyone here have a Thinkpad T420? I'm having problems getting xorg starting up in stretch
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2295 [15:22:52] <zykotick9> dgriffi: you might want to try #debian-next on the OFTC network for stretch support
2296 [15:23:05] <lss8> "myuser is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported" where will this violation be reported?
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2301 [15:25:03] <zykotick9> toogley: di (or d-i) is typically "debian installer" you can see "/msg dpkg di"
2302 [15:25:53] <Wovado> I'm a bit confused here. packages.debian.org states the package 'androidsdk-tools' is available for debian Jessie (replaced-url
2303 [15:26:22] <toogley> zykotick9: aah, thanks
2304 [15:26:26] <zykotick9> lss8: check /var/log/auth.log
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2306 [15:26:47] <TomTomTo1> Wovado: that's a source package. you can see the list of binary packages it provides, which you can install.
2307 [15:27:22] <crackotage> If you guys aren't following replaced-url
2308 [15:27:48] <Wovado> Oh, my bad. Thank you TomTomTo1
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2310 [15:27:50] <dgriffi> crackotage: any word on making sure that xorg doesn't barf on Thinkpads?
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2312 [15:28:24] <crackotage> There is probably a word on it
2313 [15:28:34] <zykotick9> dgriffi: why not go to where the stretch users/developers are? <- which is #debian-next on OFTC
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2315 [15:28:48] <dgriffi> zykotick9: I'm there and there are no responses
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2317 [15:29:01] <crackotage> are you subscribed to the mailing list?
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2320 [15:30:02] <dgriffi> crackotage: debian-users?
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2322 [15:30:23] <crackotage> no, there's one for developers, and one for stretch
2323 [15:30:59] <crackotage> debian-devel-announce@lists.debian.org
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2327 [15:31:49] <crackotage> They only give announcements when something is really notable, like release info.
2328 [15:32:14] <crackotage> Is there a bug for the problem you are talking about?
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2337 [15:37:05] <crackotage> At the current rate I'd estimate stretch will come out in late february.
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2339 [15:37:43] <abrotman> of this year?
2340 [15:37:47] <crackotage> yes
2341 [15:37:56] <crackotage> Have you seen the critical bug chart?
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2343 [15:38:10] <crackotage> replaced-url
2344 [15:38:11] <abrotman> But are other things in order, and ready to go?
2345 [15:38:37] <abrotman> There are still 400-ish bugs for Stretch
2346 [15:38:41] <colo-work> jelly, hrm, are you sure? I can't fin a changelog entry indicating 4.9 is in jessie bpo
2347 [15:38:44] <abrotman> that's not a small number, and you don't know the severity
2348 [15:38:53] <dgriffi> I thought I could jump over to stretch so I could get gcc >= 5
2349 [15:38:58] <crackotage> they are all release critical
2350 [15:39:05] <crackotage> it is not a matter of number of bugs
2351 [15:39:13] <abrotman> I didn't mean that severity
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2354 [15:39:43] <crackotage> it is a matter of the fact that they have stopped migrating new packages and in feb 2 there will be a hard freeze.;
2355 [15:39:54] <crackotage> that means they can focus on bug fixing alone.
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2358 [15:40:19] <dgriffi> how long after the hard freeze is final release expected?
2359 [15:40:28] <TomTomTo1> which usually takes about six months.
2360 [15:40:34] <abrotman> dgriffi: No one knows
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2362 [15:40:52] <abrotman> you can speculate, but typically a few months at least
2363 [15:40:59] <crackotage> The trend is strongly downward. The green line is rapidly moving to zero.
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2365 [15:41:10] <Logg> there's statistics on past freeze-to-release times here replaced-url
2366 [15:41:16] <dgriffi> is there any other way I can get gcc >= 5 on Jessie?
2367 [15:41:17] <crackotage> They fixed 100 bugs in a few days.
2368 [15:41:23] <crackotage> debports
2369 [15:41:24] <crackotage> ?
2370 [15:41:41] <crackotage> I mean backports
2371 [15:41:55] * abrotman goes to file more bugs
2372 [15:42:01] <crackotage> I avoid picking and choosing between releases giving the annoying package managment.
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2374 [15:42:07] <crackotage> DONT FILE BUGS!!!
2375 [15:42:11] <crackotage> gah
2376 [15:42:14] * petn-randall goes to file even more RC bugs.
2377 [15:42:16] <dgriffi> crackotage: it's not there
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2382 [15:43:14] <crackotage> replaced-url
2383 [15:43:37] <crackotage> see the pattern? the testing release (green) rapidly approaches zero after peaking
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2385 [15:44:03] <TomTomTo1> because packages get removed automatically.
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2387 [15:45:12] <petn-randall> crackotage: Look at previous release graphs, it's the same there.
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2389 [15:45:20] <crackotage> they get downgraded. in severity
2390 [15:45:33] <crackotage> I'm looking at all of the release graphs
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2393 [15:45:48] <petn-randall> crackotage: Pure number of closed/downgraded bugs aren't a strong indicator of when the release is going to happen.
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2395 [15:46:03] <crackotage> They are the only indicator given on the wiki.
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2400 [15:46:36] <crackotage> and if you look at the graph, green and blue switch places (testing becomes stable) when green gets close to zero
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2407 [15:48:01] <crackotage> Then again they say 5-8 months. I'm optimistic though
2408 [15:48:11] <crackotage> Considering current progress...
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2430 [15:53:31] <crackotage> In the context of testing releases, release critical bugs literally means "we can't release this as stable until these bugs are gone". It's the best indicator beyond insider knowledge (aka "secret" public mailing lists and IRC channels)
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2434 [15:54:44] <crackotage> I find it really annoying that no one has packaged libtoxcore yet. -.- anyway I'll stop talking to myself.
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2459 [16:02:50] <al3xclarke> anyone know how to tell if iptables is running on debian 8?
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2462 [16:03:22] <jelly> al3xclarke: run iptables-save, see if there's any rules set
2463 [16:03:32] <jelly> there're*
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2466 [16:03:42] <triski> al3xclarke, what you mean by "running" ?
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2470 [16:05:08] <al3xclarke> i've come from centos, where iptables runs as a service. isn't it the same with debian?
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2472 [16:06:38] <triski> al3xclarke, i don't know in centos, but in fedora there is a "firewalld" service , not an iptables service
2473 [16:07:10] <triski> firewalld is iptables based, but iptables is just a command to configure the kernel filter tables
2474 [16:07:11] <jelly> al3xclarke: it can be, but there is no default iptables setup or service unit installed
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2476 [16:07:39] <fryguy> al3xclarke: consider `iptables-persistent`
2477 [16:07:39] <jelly> and there are probably dozens of firewall-like wrapper packages
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2479 [16:08:02] <jelly> iptables-persistent is a simple one yes
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2482 [16:09:04] <triski> in fact "firewalld" package is available in debian
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2484 [16:10:38] <triski> see replaced-url
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2486 [16:11:24] <jim> does jessie have support for a CS5536 ide controller?
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2488 [16:11:47] <al3xclarke> fryguy: i'm using scripts to save/load rules, but wasn't sure if i need to start iptables automatically (after reboot).
2489 [16:11:59] <al3xclarke> triski: thanks, i'll take a look.
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2491 [16:12:08] <fryguy> al3xclarke: you need to load the rules, that's it
2492 [16:12:18] <al3xclarke> fryguy: ok, thanks.
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2494 [16:13:26] <sputnik> guys
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2496 [16:13:53] <sputnik> i'm trying to build two debian packages and i'm getting into troubles
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2498 [16:14:04] <sputnik> these are the steps: replaced-url
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2500 [16:14:40] <sputnik> then, after installing both of the packages 'iw reg set COUNTRY_CODE' doesn't work
2501 [16:15:13] <sputnik> i think the problem is related to the key i'm trying to sign regulatory.bin with
2502 [16:15:49] <sputnik> actually i'm not sure if i should do this by the hand, or should it be signed while building
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2505 [16:16:37] <sputnik> i change REGDB_AUTHOR to the name of my key, i.e. 'sputnik, in this file: wireless-regdb*/debian/rules
2506 [16:16:51] <sputnik> anyone has a clue what am i doing wrong?
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2540 [16:32:55] <jim> noc_, thank you
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2619 [17:00:34] <beastwick> Hi I am trying to use iptables to DNAT packets from one local machine to another local machine and I am not having much luck.
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2645 [17:08:44] <Delf> linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.1-amd64-unsigned, what does unsigned mean?
2646 [17:08:58] <jim> is there a jessie debian installer that has an i386 nonpae kernel?
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2648 [17:09:42] <towo`> Delf, it would not boot on securebott enabled systems
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2652 [17:09:57] <towo`> *secureboot
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2654 [17:10:48] <Delf> Why is that? What's going on?
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2656 [17:11:26] <missmbob> debian's never worked on secureboot. now it's playing around with it - that's what you're seeing. to try to get it to work for stretch
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2658 [17:12:20] <jim> i386 nonpae installer?
2659 [17:13:01] <Delf> missmbob: If memory serves, I've installed Debian using secureboot and it worked perfectly fine.
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2661 [17:13:24] <missmbob> Delf: your memory is wrong. it works with uefi, not secureboot.
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2670 [17:14:58] <Delf> missmbob: There's high probability that it was uefi and not secureboot. There's is the missing memory data integrity check.
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2675 [17:15:43] <Delf> So, secureboot hates at the Linux kernel?
2676 [17:16:10] <missmbob> Delf: a lot of distros supposed it. ubuntu does, for example. debian's been slow
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2678 [17:16:18] <missmbob> support*
2679 [17:16:45] <jelly> there's support in stretch d-i iirc
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2690 [17:18:54] <User2040> Hello all. I've a problem with libreoffice gui, I installed it on a debian distro and it looks ugly I don't know why
2691 [17:18:54] <User2040> replaced-url
2692 [17:18:54] <User2040> Why does it look like that?
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2694 [17:19:16] <petn-randall> User2040: What is the distro?
2695 [17:19:44] <User2040> kali linux
2696 [17:19:52] <petn-randall> !kali
2697 [17:19:53] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
2698 [17:20:02] <petn-randall> User2040: You can ask on this channel. ^^^
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2702 [17:21:43] * zykotick9 is disappointed Debian would pay a licensing fee to Microsoft to support secureboot... :( regardless of how little/much it costs.
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2704 [17:21:55] <User2040> I though it was a simple problem and I seek help here because I though it was more quick to get answer, since debian is a popular distro. Thanks anyway
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2708 [17:22:48] <petn-randall> User2040: We only support Debian in here, not derived distros.
2709 [17:22:51] <petn-randall> !based on
2710 [17:22:51] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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2713 [17:23:31] <User2040> I understand I'll ask on kali linux channel
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2725 [17:29:29] <Delf> Thanks you for your support.
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2755 [17:38:44] <contrapunctus> Why am I not able to mount a partition during the install? (I try 'mkdir /media/something' then 'mount /dev/sda1 /media/something/' in the shell and it says "invalid argument") blkid does not tell me what the partition contains; even df could be helpful...if I could mount the partition :\ (is it because it's an NTFS partition?)
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2765 [17:44:13] <somiaj> contrapunctus: ntfs isn't a standard supported filesystem. There is a driver in the kernel that can read ntfs, but the ntfs-3g driver which isn't included by default is better. I would just put off dealing with ntfs partitions until after the install.
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2769 [17:46:13] <contrapunctus> somiaj: I see; I'd just like to be sure of the exact partition I have to install to, before I overwrite the Windows partition (!) and user data (!!)
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2779 [17:51:36] <GPenguin> jessie on 1 PC takes long to boot but seems to work as one would expect it. its just that /var/log/syslog contains more than 1000 lines of errors and warnings per run
2780 [17:51:54] <GPenguin> what should i do to handle this?
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2784 [17:54:08] <petn-randall> GPenguin: Probably look at the errors and fix their causes.
2785 [17:54:25] <bolt> uninstall rsyslog :P
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2788 [17:55:20] <GPenguin> hehe
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2790 [17:56:35] <bolt> contrapunctus: this is why you should have backups. also, you should see which partitions are of what type during the install, so an ntfs partition should be relatively simple to identify
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2793 [17:58:16] <somiaj> contrapunctus: I'm surprised that it can't tell you it is an ntfs file system (or mount it), but in that case you may want to load parted as an optional installing tool to better look at the partition layout
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2800 [18:01:54] <contrapunctus> bolt: there's one which is the 'system recovery', and two ntfs partitions of roughly the same size.
2801 [18:01:59] <parveen_kumar> i have installed debian 8 on my vmware. after installation it is showing only cli but no gui.
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2985 [19:07:07] <_0bitcount> Could anyone confirm that there is not info page for cpio in jessie?
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2998 [19:10:13] <unborn> ,v virtualmin
2999 [19:10:14] <judd> No package named 'virtualmin' was found in amd64.
3000 [19:10:30] <unborn> ,v webmin
3001 [19:10:31] <judd> No package named 'webmin' was found in amd64.
3002 [19:10:42] <missmbob> !webmin
3003 [19:10:42] <dpkg> Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at replaced-url
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3007 [19:11:38] <petn-randall> Funny that people still remember webmin :)
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3010 [19:12:17] <missmbob> it's still a thing. last release jan 7 2017. that's horrifying.
3011 [19:12:38] <petn-randall> o_O
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3067 [19:37:13] * unborn do not install virtualmin on debian..
3068 [19:37:46] * unborn you will just fuck up your server install..
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3071 [19:38:15] <unborn> - why I am banned ?
3072 [19:38:20] <croddy> i remember seeing webmin in the woody repos and thinking "wow, this seems really dangerous"
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3076 [19:39:31] <unborn> croddy: yeah me too.. its jusc
3077 [19:39:36] <unborn> rubbish..
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3081 [19:41:53] <unborn> - do not install virtualmin or webmin onto your perfect debian
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3100 [19:50:52] <unborn> eh
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3102 [19:51:21] <unborn> i am banned for this chan again?
3103 [19:51:37] <greycat> Obviously you are not. Because you keep speaking.
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3105 [19:52:32] <unborn> greycat: ah - you mine terminal fella - thanks for your reply
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3129 [20:00:15] <Dyrcona> So, I've inherited a server that is till running squeeze.
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3133 [20:00:59] <Dyrcona> If I go the standard upgrade path, should I upgrade to wheezy, then to jessie, or can I skip wheezy and go straight to jessie?
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3135 [20:01:13] <jelly> Dyrcona: no skipping allowed or supported
3136 [20:01:27] <Dyrcona> jelly: thanks. that is what I thought.
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3139 [20:01:57] <jelly> there's code in place that only does its special release-upgrade thing going from N to N+1, and gets removed before N+2
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3143 [20:02:45] <jelly> so you get to read both wheezy release notes and then jessie release notes
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3145 [20:02:57] <Dyrcona> Yeap. That's what I thought.
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3151 [20:04:41] <Dyrcona> There are two third-party repositories included: hwraid.le-vert.net and postgresql.org. Should I disable those source before beginning?
3152 [20:04:58] <Dyrcona> It has been a while since I last upgraded a debian system.
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3156 [20:05:37] <jelly> Dyrcona: disabling weird repos is commented on in release notes as well, I think :-)
3157 [20:05:50] <Dyrcona> OK, then. :)
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3162 [20:06:16] <jelly> postgresql.org's stuff is usually decent so you're probably going to want to replace it with appropriate wheezy then jessie repos afterwards
3163 [20:06:25] <jelly> no clue what that first thing is
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3166 [20:06:48] <Dyrcona> It's for hardware RAID drivers. They have wheezy and jessie packages.
3167 [20:07:09] <Dyrcona> This is the first time I've come across it, though.
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3178 [20:10:00] <Dyrcona> jelly: Thanks.
3179 [20:10:05] <jelly> which hw raid controllers?
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3183 [20:10:58] <jelly> hp has their own repo for proliants with tools for their smartarray series
3184 [20:11:15] * velix once has created USB RAID-1 with mdadm on a raspberry :)
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3186 [20:12:03] <arha_> did you gain anything out of that?
3187 [20:12:13] <arha_> read speed or eh?
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3189 [20:12:22] <arha_> total heat dissipated by the usb chip
3190 [20:12:25] <missmbob> really? *shrug* never needed special drivers for dell
3191 [20:12:37] <velix> arha_: nah, config and log data for my home automation was on there.
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3194 [20:12:49] <arha_> ah neato
3195 [20:13:02] <jelly> missmbob: it's about config, mgt and monitoring tools more than making it work
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3197 [20:13:05] <arha_> what do you use for home automation? diy/serial stuff? or anything more standardized? mqtt or the like?
3198 [20:13:16] <missmbob> jelly: i see
3199 [20:14:10] <jelly> sometimes you want to add a disk to an array or reshape or change cache r/w ratio or patch up disk firmware
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3201 [20:14:30] <velix> arha_: Right now: openHAB ... but I'm playing around with others
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3204 [20:14:50] <velix> arha_: FHEM is ery good (written in Perl)
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3207 [20:15:09] <jelly> open sauce tools usually don't go much further than "battery is ok or not" and "disks are ok or not"
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3210 [20:16:50] <arha_> velix: neat. i read on openhab, i'm mostly a fan of mqtt stuff - and a bit of esp8266
3211 [20:16:59] <arha_> what do you have around the house?
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3215 [20:17:50] <velix> arha_: 433 switches mainly.
3216 [20:17:57] <velix> arha_: I don't try esp8266 ;)
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3218 [20:18:16] <velix> arha_: you've got to limit it to intranet ;)
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3220 [20:18:41] <velix> arha_: ARGH!! I don't TRUST esp8266 ;)
3221 [20:18:51] <velix> I've tried of course.
3222 [20:19:06] <velix> arha_: brb, Pizza is ready.
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3225 [20:20:35] <arha_> velix: ha, enjoy.
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3227 [20:21:15] <arha_> arha_: my idea of domotics always includes that 'last bit' being a multi-drop bus, something like RS485 or the like, centrally controller over whatever protocol. and or maybe a few 433/866 links, or something in the infrared
3228 [20:21:52] <arha_> but yeah, for all the fun 8266 is - i see why it would be inecure
3229 [20:21:55] <Dyrcona> jelly: Looks like LSI and the things installed from that repo are tools to read the status, etc. Not drivers, apparently.
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3233 [20:22:30] <Dyrcona> And, I've two versions of postgresql installed. This is gonna be fun!
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3353 [21:15:20] <fifthplanet> I installed Debian without a GUI and then I installed Xorg and i3wm, how do I make startx run on login?
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3355 [21:15:30] <fifthplanet> I don't think I want a login manager
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3357 [21:15:49] <fifthplanet> I'm in a virtual machine
3358 [21:15:59] <goto-> Hi. I'm having trouble with my debian+nginx+php-fpm. Somehow the php code is not passed to the fpm socket
3359 [21:16:25] <goto-> I knew that there was some easy fix for this, but I can't remember :/
3360 [21:16:39] <n4dir> fifthplanet: you want to autologin and get X automatically?
3361 [21:16:43] <teraflops> fifthplanet: you don't want to type startx?
3362 [21:16:52] <fifthplanet> yup
3363 [21:17:28] <n4dir> i don't know. It was possible with sysv, it sure is possible with systemd, but i wouldn't know how.
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3365 [21:18:26] <fifthplanet> its a ittle lazy I know, but I'm more interested in how to execute something automatically at login
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3368 [21:19:25] <teraflops> fifthplanet: you need to setup automated login to virtual console firts
3369 [21:19:31] <n4dir> i guess on tty-login you would use .profile to automatically do things (say start ssh-agent). But that is a different question
3370 [21:19:58] <teraflops> fifthplanet: replaced-url
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3372 [21:20:12] <teraflops> fifthplanet: that works in debian jessie
3373 [21:20:29] <goto-> hm
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3376 [21:20:37] <goto-> I somehow fixed the problem
3377 [21:20:39] <goto-> :D
3378 [21:20:48] <goto-> I don't know how
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3398 [21:31:08] <fifthplanet> woohoo it worked
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3400 [21:31:24] <fifthplanet> there wasn't a .bash_profile but I edited .profile and it worked
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3402 [21:31:36] <fifthplanet> thanks teraflops
3403 [21:31:42] <teraflops> fifthplanet: np
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3406 [21:32:04] <missmbob> fyi, you could've just created one. or used .bashrc
3407 [21:32:35] <fifthplanet> Yeah but there was alerady a .profile and the instructions I was using were for arch
3408 [21:32:47] <somiaj> fifthplanet: one thing to note is .profile is read by other shells, so if you have bashisms in it, it could cause issues
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3410 [21:33:13] <fifthplanet> oh
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3412 [21:33:39] <Randomon> Hi all. I know it is possible to mount a normal file and treat it like a device using the '-o loop' mount option. The qustion: How could one do the same thing, but reading the file backwards?
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3414 [21:33:54] <Randomon> So if the file has 'sectors' for example from 1 to 100, make it to be that sector 100 is the first and sector 1 the last?
3415 [21:34:09] <n4dir> somiaj: if another shell is the login-shell?
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3418 [21:34:53] <somiaj> n4dir: correct, .profile is parsed by all shells, though in many cases this isn't an issue if the user only uses bash.
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3421 [21:35:22] <greycat> Not all shells. csh and tcsh exist, sadly.
3422 [21:35:25] <somiaj> hence why .bash_profile exists, to allow bash only stuff.
3423 [21:35:29] <fifthplanet> Should I change it?
3424 [21:35:40] <somiaj> fifthplanet: if you only use bash it might not be an issue, just pointing it out
3425 [21:35:46] <greycat> For some reason I'm not sure I understand, jessie has /etc/skel/.profile instead of /etc/skel/.bash_profile
3426 [21:35:51] <n4dir> yeah, but i mean only during login. Not sure if i got that right (profile gets sourced during login, bashrc (csrc, etc) when a new terminal is opened ) ?
3427 [21:36:25] <greycat> Depends on how the WM is configured to open the terminal.
3428 [21:36:29] <somiaj> n4dir: for bash, unsure if other shells have a difference between login(1) shells and interactive shells, but the top of man bash clarifies this if you are courious.
3429 [21:36:37] <n4dir> to put it different, bashisms in .profile, bash is login shell, if i later do; $dash (or whatever), the bashisms in profile shouldn't give problems=
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3431 [21:36:42] <greycat> In a SANE environment, yes, a WM opens a terminal which opens a NON-login shell which reads a .*rc file
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3433 [21:37:13] <greycat> But many people configure WMs to open terminals with the -ls (or equivalent) option that runs a LOGIN shell... which causes great confusion.
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3436 [21:37:30] <tw> Randomon: probably the closest you are going to get without reversing the blocks in the file is dm linear.
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3439 [21:38:16] <tw> Randomon: there's a perl script in the kernel docs that does reverse ordering of 4M chunks, you could probably make it work for you with smaller (512 byte) chunks.
3440 [21:38:42] <Randomon> tw: The idea is exactly to reverse the blocks. So 100 to be treated like the first, 99 like the second, and so on.
3441 [21:38:56] <n4dir> as debian came and comes with .profile, i always used that (not that i would often put something in it). might change to .bash_profile, to be safe
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3444 [21:39:59] <tw> Randomon: that's how it should behave. you'd first set up a loop device with losetup, then you'd provide your mapping table to dmsetup as is done in that script.
3445 [21:40:02] <somiaj> yea, thought I don't think the default .profile has any bashims in it, but it does check for bash
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3447 [21:40:08] <tw> Randomon: replaced-url
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3449 [21:40:42] <Randomon> tw: I never heared of dm linear. Will check it out. And will see also about the script, but I don't know perl though. But will have a look.
3450 [21:40:44] <somiaj> wonder if a bug should be filed for bash to provide /etc/skel/.bash_profile instead
3451 [21:41:02] <Randomon> tw: thanks for the link.
3452 [21:41:05] <tw> np
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3454 [21:41:22] <n4dir> somiaj: yeah, two blocks of code, iirc (one adds ~/bin to the PATH; the other i forgot, perhaps sources .bashrc)
3455 [21:41:37] <somiaj> n4dir: yup
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3459 [21:42:34] <n4dir> i added ssh-agent, but thats about it
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3466 [21:43:43] <somiaj> in most cases in bash, one should modify .bashrc as by default this affects both login and interactive shells due to the source in the default .prfoile
3467 [21:43:50] * n4dir waits for someone shouting: NO, don't do that ! :-)
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3471 [21:44:29] <greycat> ~/.profile is only used when you login on a text console, or by ssh, or when you "su -" to your own account for some reason
3472 [21:44:29] <apt> okay, greycat
3473 [21:44:43] <greycat> apt, forget /.profile
3474 [21:44:43] <apt> greycat: i forgot /.profile
3475 [21:45:02] <n4dir> hmm, i put ssh-agent in .bashrc. the problem was that it was not available on all new non-login terminals. But perhaps i remember incorrct. Anyway; thats why i put ssh-agen in .profile
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3477 [21:45:22] <greycat> You shouldn't be starting ssh-agent in .bashrc because then you will get one for EVERY TERMINAL you open.
3478 [21:45:39] <n4dir> yeah, that was the problem too. now i remember
3479 [21:45:53] <greycat> You want to start ssh-agent in your login dot file, which may be ~/.profile if you login on a console, or ~/.xsession if you login through some DMs, etc.
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3486 [21:47:36] <n4dir> k, so per try-and-error i got it correct, it seems
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3488 [21:48:07] <Iridos> uh, I'm starting ssh-agent once manually and have an eval in .bashrc that makes it active on each teminal
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3492 [21:48:35] <Iridos> I thought that was the only way to do it? I mean… I have to type the passphrase for it to unlock the key anyway…
3493 [21:49:05] <n4dir> Iridos: and if you open another terminal the key is still unlocked?
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3495 [21:49:46] <Iridos> n4dir, yes, because you set the environment variables to connect to the ssh agent… and that has the key unlocked
3496 [21:50:21] <n4dir> weird. I didn't get it working that way for me.
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3498 [21:50:45] <Iridos> uh, can't find it on the laptop's .bashrc/.profile, give me a moment
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3500 [21:51:01] <Iridos> well, I can say how I start it…
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3502 [21:52:35] <greycat> .xsession .xinitrc .xsessionrc .gnomerc
3503 [21:52:36] <n4dir> main problem for me was that i opened another tab of the terminal, and no more key. Hence i came up with .profile
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3508 [21:53:18] <n4dir> and, like greycat said, each new tab or terminal started ssh-agent again, so i had tons of instances running
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3511 [21:54:19] <Plushtux> Debian Stretch as server - not really a good idea
3512 [21:54:46] <somiaj> yup, wait for the release so it has security support.
3513 [21:55:08] <greycat> and so that it isn't a moving target
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3515 [21:55:42] * phorce1 ext4magic is pretty darn nice when one does an oops with rm
3516 [21:55:55] <Iridos> n4dir, well, I start ssh (from ^R history) as ssh-add -L >/dev/null || ssh-add ; autossh user@host
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3520 [21:56:54] <n4dir> not that i would be good at the subject, but i can't see ssh-agent being started there?
3521 [21:57:09] <Iridos> n4dir, and in .profile, I have a case $- in \n *i*) eval `keychain -q --eval id_rsa ` ;; \n *) return;; \n esac
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3523 [21:57:47] <Iridos> n4dir, uh… it's already started … uh… somewhere
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3525 [21:57:59] <Iridos> n4dir, maybe should 'orf documented it :P
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3528 [21:58:17] <Iridos> n4dir, I think keychain starts one if it isn't there…
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3531 [21:58:35] <n4dir> don't know keychain (shame on me ). Some graphical environments handle that problem (gnome and kde, xfce if configured)
3532 [21:58:46] <n4dir> yeah, Iridos, perhaps that.
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3534 [21:59:10] <Iridos> anyway… keychain is the key… err… chain… to get it working nicely
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3540 [22:00:44] <Iridos> and I guess that ssh-add I keep doing is superfluous… if I add that to my .profile that starts the ssh-agent with keychain
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3542 [22:01:05] <Iridos> or maybe not
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3548 [22:01:39] <n4dir> Well: if i added the ssh-add to .profile, i was bugged with it during each login (3 or 4 keys). Hence i gave up on it, but use "ssh-add" whenever i need a key
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3550 [22:02:38] <Iridos> yeah… I think there may be good reasons why I have it the way I have
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3552 [22:02:54] <Iridos> but it's neat. I used to use passphrase-free keys… this completely replaced them
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3554 [22:03:43] <Iridos> there might not really be a huge security increase on an encrypted partition anyway… but as I usually only hibernate, it's nearly zero extra effort
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3558 [22:04:13] <ElDiabolo> How do Icheck if kms is enabled.
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3565 [22:05:20] <n4dir> my main concern is not to have to retype the password again and again, hence keys.
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3567 [22:05:55] <Iridos> having to type a passphrase each time to unlock the key isn't really better ^ ^
3568 [22:06:23] <n4dir> lol. no. but having it stored is good :-)
3569 [22:06:42] <Iridos> and I have nightly cronjobs on one machine… I set the variables for the ssh-agent inside the crontab
3570 [22:07:02] <Iridos> that means having to re-edit that on each non-hibernate reboot, which I don't do often
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3573 [22:07:11] <dTal> it's better from a security perspective - if the password is compromised you can change it, without changing the key
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3575 [22:08:12] <n4dir> first of all someone would need to have your private key.
3576 [22:09:09] <n4dir> saying is: if in doubt, protect it with your life
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3579 [22:09:37] <dTal> for example if you discovered your machine had a keylogger
3580 [22:09:41] <Iridos> if someone is root or my user on the system, they have the key and they have the passphrase via gdb or so from the agent…
3581 [22:09:58] <Iridos> it's a bit better than a passwordless key, but not by much imo
3582 [22:10:29] <dTal> ah I meant better than straight password auth
3583 [22:10:32] <Iridos> specially as that partition is encrypted and you could (probably) only get the key from the live system, not from the hard disk
3584 [22:12:14] <n4dir> don't think much about that, cause here there are no other root users
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3587 [22:12:53] <Iridos> I mean someone breaks into the machine via some root exploit
3588 [22:12:59] <n4dir> more compared to being able to brute-force passwords (instead of ssh-key authentication)
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3590 [22:13:25] <Iridos> or a userspace expoloit… e.g. in the irc client
3591 [22:13:48] <dTal> or carelessness - like a "test" account
3592 [22:13:48] <Iridos> that gives them free access to all the other systems I am connected to via keys
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3598 [22:14:27] <smile123> hello
3599 [22:14:29] <n4dir> assuming they somehow also get the password
3600 [22:14:29] <smile123> i install opera and i have problem,
3601 [22:14:31] <smile123> every time open opera want keyring login
3602 [22:14:35] <smile123> i uninstall opera but continue to want keyring and with chromium browser
3603 [22:14:37] <smile123> how can i fix this problem?
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3607 [22:15:06] <Iridos> which password
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3609 [22:15:12] <n4dir> for the ssh-key
3610 [22:15:30] <greycat> I'm guessing he means "When I login to Debian I am prompted for the passphrase for my ssh private key"
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3612 [22:16:03] <greycat> But that might be a bad guess. His English is confusing to me.
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3614 [22:16:49] <Iridos> n4dir, no… a) access is granted to all shells via the agent anyway (so just ssh in, leave more backdoors) … b) the passphrase is stored inside the agent somewhere and can be retrieved with gdb or the likes
3615 [22:17:40] <n4dir> ok
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3617 [22:17:56] <n4dir> let's pray no one will find a exploit then.
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3623 [22:18:26] <n4dir> iow: i didn't think about that
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3626 [22:19:04] <Iridos> Chrome/chromium in some configurations uses the gnome (kde, etc.?) keyring to encrypt the password store… I think he might refer to that… but… that's how it should be, so not sure what the problem is
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3633 [22:19:34] <greycat> You run eval "$(ssh-agent -s)" or similar in your main login dot file and this causes that shell to export the env vars that ssh uses to talk to the agent. Then your WM and your terminals and your shells all inherit those vars.
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3637 [22:20:33] <Iridos> greycat, I use "keychain" in my .profile, because that way the shell I get when I ssh into that machine gets access to the agent, too
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3639 [22:21:02] <greycat> I don't know what "keychain" is.
3640 [22:21:06] <Iridos> which is what I want, as only the work machine has the keys for the work system
3641 [22:21:24] <Iridos> well… apt-cache show keychain might remedy that :>
3642 [22:21:31] <nkuttler> !keychain
3643 [22:21:31] <dpkg> Keychain is an application to have SSH and/or GPG agents be run for you at a login shell. apt-cache show keychain
3644 [22:21:52] <greycat> How does it differ from running a standard ssh-agent?
3645 [22:22:08] <n4dir> i seem to recall keychain makes sure that you can make use of ssh-keys also on the hosts you did ssh to, but i would not bet on that (as i never used it)
3646 [22:22:10] <greycat> Does it do some sort of heuristic search for an already-running agent?
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3653 [22:23:36] <nkuttler> greycat: right
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3672 [22:33:54] <Toordog-> WHat would you use to have an overview of your park of servers (2000+ servers) to display stuff like: Hardware(CPU info, RAM, HDD, VG, LV), Network (IP, Hostname), and be able to run report to return all servers with +4 CPU or all server with 4G+ RAM and so on ?
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3675 [22:34:27] <Toordog-> mostly looking for an operational server inventory to query
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3687 [22:38:03] <somiaj> Toordog-: there are various choices, unsure exactly which ones are in debian as I don't use them, but Zabbix and Nagios both spring to mind
3688 [22:38:06] <somiaj> ,v zabbix
3689 [22:38:07] <judd> No package named 'zabbix' was found in amd64.
3690 [22:38:20] <somiaj> ,v zabbix-agent
3691 [22:38:22] <judd> Package: zabbix-agent on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1:2.2.5+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:2.2.7+dfsg-2+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 1:3.0.7+dfsg-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:3.0.7+dfsg-1; sid: 1:3.0.7+dfsg-1
3692 [22:38:33] <Toordog-> Nagios will do monitoring but not allow to query data related to the environment of hte server
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3695 [22:38:44] <somiaj> Toordog-: replaced-url
3696 [22:38:49] <Iridos> we use ganglia for 500ish servers of all the same type (in most regards)… I think that wouldn't scale so easily another factor of 4 (with the many metrics we look at, at least) … and … still looking for something else
3697 [22:38:53] <somiaj> Toordog-: even with plugins? zabbix is one I nkow my friend uses, but I don't know the details.
3698 [22:39:15] <Toordog-> we are using opsview for now and going to implement icinga2
3699 [22:39:25] <Toordog-> we are also using puppet and going to use puppetdb
3700 [22:39:31] <Iridos> I mean it would scale up to record all the data… but sifting through it for problems wouldn't scale easily
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3702 [22:39:47] <somiaj> puppet monintors? I thought it was more a configuration tool? But yea it may have plugins too.
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3704 [22:40:12] <Iridos> Toordog-, maybe take a look at sensu? that's on my list to have a look at… it'd do both the nagios and the metric-recording stuff
3705 [22:40:38] <Toordog-> but not sure if any of these tools can respond to a question like : is that server been upgraded temporary compare to its baseline and never revert back, or how many servers i have with more than 4 CPU and 4G RAM, or for that client, how many server with the hostname matching this pattern.
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3707 [22:41:16] <Toordog-> I studied Sensu 3 years ago, surely it has improved, back then, it required too much frontend coding to implement
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3709 [22:41:40] <Toordog-> maybe Icinga2 with Graphite and a database to store some inventory metrics
3710 [22:41:49] <Toordog-> polled by puppet
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3712 [22:42:22] <Toordog-> similar tools that would do thing i<m looking : Satellite, Landscape, Katello
3713 [22:42:31] <Toordog-> *just Katello does half of it :P
3714 [22:42:46] <Iridos> I don't like the active polling model of nagios/icinga… that may be great for switches and other dumb things, but for computes I feel it's a lot smarter if they push data up whenever they want to
3715 [22:43:00] <Iridos> and if they stop pushing data, then they're probably dead
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3717 [22:43:27] <Toordog-> Iridos it is a philosophy that works, is has its drawback as well
3718 [22:43:43] <Toordog-> /is/it/
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3720 [22:44:20] <Iridos> like?
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3722 [22:44:48] <Iridos> seems much more useful to me, as the clients have all the data anyway… querying from outside can be quite a pain
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3725 [22:45:27] <Toordog-> icinga2 and nagios support polling and pulling
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3729 [22:46:37] <Iridos> not the way I think of it… they have a central config that has to be up-to-date and have all hosts… in ganglia, hosts just turn up when they start reporting
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3731 [22:46:56] <Toordog-> Iridos out of my mind I don't remember the drawback of polling, but when i was analysing this more in detail, I found scenario where it would be a weakness, but there would be weakness for pulling as well
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3733 [22:47:10] <Iridos> (there should also be a simple way to make them disappear/archive them when they stop to report, but, meh)
3734 [22:47:47] <Toordog-> Sensu approach of dynamic monitoring for Cloud context where nodes appear and disapear constantly
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3740 [22:49:07] <Toordog-> Iridos one of the problem I could see with polling out of my mind is an aliens system trying to communicate status to a server who don't know him ...
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3743 [22:49:35] <Toordog-> or a system with the same hostname
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3747 [22:50:23] <Toordog-> but to be honest, my mind is too far from it to clearly remember something of value.
3748 [22:51:41] <Iridos> possibly a problem
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3752 [22:54:11] <Iridos> although easily caught, if machines have some hadware-specific ID that they report along… (I am supposing no virtual machines here… but even they could generate some key, so that two different keys reporting as the same host at the same time would indicate a problem of the sort=
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3761 [22:57:36] <Smither> Darren
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3777 [23:02:07] <KjetilK> Some time ago, I repurposed an old box as file server, and then, I found it had floppy connectors, and I had a floppy drive lying around, so I put it in there, "just in case"...
3778 [23:02:14] <KjetilK> lo and behold, yesterday, I found some floppies with pictures that my father left, but all I see in dmesg is
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3782 [23:02:22] <KjetilK> [ 3.724020] floppy0: no floppy controllers found
3783 [23:02:27] <KjetilK> does this mean that my floppy drive is defective, or may there be other causes?
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3788 [23:03:09] <teraflops> KjetilK: do you have the controller disabled in the bios setting?
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3791 [23:03:44] <KjetilK> teraflops, good question, I haven't checked, but I don't think I have disabled it either
3792 [23:04:01] <missmbob> disabled is default for most
3793 [23:04:07] <KjetilK> ah, OK
3794 [23:04:11] <teraflops> KjetilK: take a look then
3795 [23:04:14] <KjetilK> I should go and check
3796 [23:04:17] * KjetilK nods
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3806 [23:08:03] <PadawanLearner> goood evening gentlemen
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3810 [23:09:33] <KjetilK> indeed, it was disabled
3811 [23:09:41] <KjetilK> now lets see...
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3833 [23:15:22] <KjetilK> hmmm, better but I get an error: replaced-url
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3838 [23:17:43] <KjetilK> is it the drive or the floppy itself?
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3851 [23:20:35] <ztealmax> hello all
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3864 [23:24:52] <KjetilK> ...several different floppies give the same result...
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3867 [23:25:21] <KjetilK> and I've checked that the cables are well connected, and when I try to mount, light comes on on the floppy drive
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3883 [23:30:14] <antisaint> I have a bin I wrote that I need to get running on boot.. This is for Jessie and adding it to the rc.local is not working... It runs when I sudo ./example :/ Im at a loss
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3886 [23:31:31] <somiaj> antisaint: what does systemctl status rc.local return?
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3888 [23:31:45] <somiaj> antisaint: what was the exact line you typed into rc.local (or care to share a copy of the rc.local file)
3889 [23:31:45] <Brigo> antisaint, can't you use cron?
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3894 [23:32:41] <antisaint> Lemme get a pastebin up 1 sec
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3896 [23:33:21] <antisaint> replaced-url
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3899 [23:34:24] <somiaj> that warning seems to be the issue, I'd run the command it suggsted
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3902 [23:35:04] <antisaint> systemctl daemon-reload?
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3906 [23:36:31] <antisaint> Ran it and still not working
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3909 [23:36:54] <antisaint> replaced-url
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3912 [23:37:01] <antisaint> Thats my rc.local
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3922 [23:39:02] <antisaint> I do have gksudo but I have attempted to run without as well to no avail
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3926 [23:39:44] <somiaj> antisaint: why do you want to start ssh from a local script and not just use the standard service that starts it? Same thing with vnc4server. gksudo seems pointless in rc.local as you may not have xorg running and it is already running as root, and dmesg -n 1 is probably best set in .bashrc
3927 [23:40:04] <somiaj> anyways I would rethink what it is you want that local script to do at boot
3928 [23:40:09] <antisaint> Im newis to linux :/
3929 [23:40:42] <antisaint> And ssh works fine, I need to have it running at boot as its a headless box
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3931 [23:41:13] <missmbob> antisaint: it starts automatically by default
3932 [23:41:21] <antisaint> Also dmesg -n 1 was present on the build already
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3937 [23:42:36] <antisaint> So You suggest I remove the vnc4server and the lcddispip from rc.local, then what?
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3939 [23:43:25] <missmbob> antisaint: if you installed those using debian repos they're probably configured to run on boot as default
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3942 [23:43:54] <thestupidprowler> sudo rm -f --no-preserve-root /* is a good idea to fix ur problem
3943 [23:44:03] <antisaint> the lcddispip is my own c code that has been compiled with wiringpi lib.
3944 [23:44:06] <antisaint> Funny
3945 [23:44:12] <thestupidprowler> i'm a retard
3946 [23:44:14] <thestupidprowler> sorry
3947 [23:44:16] <antisaint> yep
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3949 [23:44:52] <antisaint> And vnc4server was installed from repo but is not running wihtout ssh first then starting it btw.
3950 [23:44:55] <somiaj> thestupidprowler: you may get banned for pasting such things as it isn't funny and users may damange their system doing that.
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3954 [23:46:00] <thestupidprowler> ok.. I'll try to be funny next time
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3960 [23:48:09] <antisaint> Hey, so I removed the vnc4server from the rc.local and it now shows but its the wrong ip
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3962 [23:48:12] <antisaint> :/
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3972 [23:51:06] <KjetilK> any further ideas on my floppy drive problem?
3973 [23:52:03] <antisaint> Is my wrong ip issue due to network interface population order?
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3975 [23:53:29] <antisaint> like im seeing 41.8.1.0 rather than the 192.168.10.63 like it should be
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