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8 [00:04:21] <gr3yg00se> hi !!
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20 [00:09:49] <jhutchins> TheChubu: exec <command> {} + to build a concatenated list of files and apply one command.
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22 [00:10:13] <jhutchins> TheChubu: I imagine if you dig through the manpage it will tell you how to format the output.
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48 [00:20:25] <pnorman> I'm encountering a bug in a package which I happen to know is fixed upstream since a couple of years ago. Should I file a bug with reportbug?
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51 [00:21:14] <somiaj> pnorman: is this bug in jessie or stretch or sid? Have you checked to see if there is already a bugreport filed in the debian BTS?
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54 [00:21:44] <pnorman> somiaj: all of the above, and there's no bug
55 [00:21:49] <pnorman> somiaj: all of the above, and there's no bug filed
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58 [00:22:15] <somiaj> then file a bug report, what package is it?
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61 [00:22:26] <pnorman> bash-completion
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64 [00:23:02] <somiaj> ,v bash-completion
65 [00:23:03] <judd> Package: bash-completion on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.0-1; jessie: 1:2.1-4; jessie-backports: 1:2.1-4.3~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:2.1-4.3; sid: 1:2.1-4.3
66 [00:23:05] <TheChubu> jhutchins: i was finding a song and i just played each one manually :D thank you anyway.
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86 [00:32:01] <tomcres> edju in akonadi
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94 [00:34:20] <awal1> Why rmadison need a pkgname as argument for experimental and not for other suites (unstable, testing & stable) (rmadison -s experimental pkgname) ?
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96 [00:34:29] <awal1> needs / need
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99 [00:35:08] <missmbob> ~/.local/share/akonadi/ i guess
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119 [00:41:38] <gr8> what is the best way to install the Qt WebChannel development files on my Debian system? replaced-url
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123 [00:43:06] <missmbob> you install stretch
124 [00:43:16] <pnorman> Don't know where to report this, but #debian-next is invite-only
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128 [00:43:42] <missmbob> pnorman: dont report it. you're in the wrong place. it's oftc not freenode
129 [00:43:55] <pnorman> Oh, that'd be why
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141 [00:44:10] <pnorman> I'm on both networks, so I often mix them up.
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147 [00:44:15] <missmbob> !tell pnorman about oftc move
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154 [00:44:58] <gr8> missmbob: stretch is testing, right?
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158 [00:45:16] <gr8> ok let me ask the question this way, how to get it on Debian stable? ;)
159 [00:45:27] <missmbob> gr8: you dont
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165 [00:45:56] <awal1> gr8, backport it
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169 [00:46:25] <gr8> eww this sucks
170 [00:46:29] <missmbob> no i dont think that's possible
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176 [00:48:11] <gr8> ok I need qtwebchannel for building QtWebEngine. Is there a different way to get QtWebEngine on Debian stable?
177 [00:48:36] <missmbob> no.
178 [00:48:47] <gr8> can someone else answer please xD
179 [00:49:12] <missmbob> the one person who knew enough ahead of time to mention getting stretch?
180 [00:49:20] <Putti> any easy to use programs for drawing finite state automata in debian? I tried dia but it was missing arc label adding (or maybe I didn't just know how to use it), and also graphviz but it was too hard.
181 [00:49:21] <missmbob> fuck it
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184 [00:49:57] <gr8> there is always "some" way, No is not the answer I am looking for
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186 [00:50:18] <mtn_> haha
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188 [00:50:31] <gr8> talking bits and bytes, that is ;)
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190 [00:50:49] <gr8> I know this sounds funny xD
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192 [00:51:08] <awal1> gr8, be patient... you may get more info if someone knows
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196 [00:52:14] <Putti> uh oh, maybe graphviz isn't too hard. I will go on with that now.
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201 [00:53:50] <CodeMachine> !Sources
202 [00:53:50] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
203 [00:54:07] <missmbob> gr8: btw...i knew ahead of time because i tried this exact same thing a few months back. it was very upsetting.
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206 [00:55:09] <CodeMachine> yo guys I didn't install nvidia drivers (debians) from synaptic, but from the terminal. Do I need to remove them 1 by 1 from the terminal or is it cool if I do it from synaptic?
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212 [00:57:04] <tomcres> CodeMachine: anything you install with apt/apt-get/aptitude, you can uninstall with synaptic
213 [00:57:38] <CodeMachine> tomcres: Alright. ty.
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220 [01:02:45] <gr8> missmbob: ok thanks for the info. Is there any other web engine for qt that you can recommend? I tried QtWebkit but had difficulties with audio output there
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222 [01:03:34] <missmbob> gr8: no. same problems. i just gave up
223 [01:04:34] <gr8> missmbob: did you also had audio problems??
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226 [01:07:07] <missmbob> i was speaking to "any other web engine". i also tried qtwebkit and it didnt work out. cant remember right now why
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247 [01:16:44] <nChomsky> Hello there.
248 [01:17:10] <nChomsky> I hope it is morning or evening to someone here XD.
249 [01:17:19] <nChomsky> replaced-url
250 [01:17:37] <nChomsky> I'm trying to install this package from debian testing.
251 [01:17:53] <nChomsky> I'm using Debian Stable.
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253 [01:18:01] <dvs> not a good idea
254 [01:18:03] <tomcres> why are you doing this?
255 [01:18:32] <nChomsky> It's Krita, I plan to use it for work.
256 [01:18:43] <tomcres> ,v krita
257 [01:18:44] <nChomsky> AS a substitute for Photoshop.
258 [01:18:44] <judd> Package: krita on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.4.4-3; jessie: 1:2.8.5+dfsg-1+b2; sid: 1:3.1.1+dfsg-1; stretch: 1:3.1.1+dfsg-1
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260 [01:19:02] <tomcres> and what is wrong with jessie's version of krita?
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262 [01:19:27] <nChomsky> Well, TO BE FAIR,
263 [01:19:40] <nChomsky> I haven't tested it.
264 [01:19:53] <nChomsky> And all the new features are shiny.
265 [01:20:01] <dvs> !sns
266 [01:20:02] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
267 [01:20:21] <nChomsky> Hahahaha!
268 [01:20:32] <nChomsky> But come on, seriously.
269 [01:20:48] <nChomsky> How come it conflicts with everything GNOME?
270 [01:21:10] <tomcres> because you're trying to mix two different versions of an operating system. it's not meant to work that way.
271 [01:21:22] <nChomsky> Hm!
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273 [01:21:27] <nChomsky> So...
274 [01:21:42] <nChomsky> I would have to be using Debian testing...
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278 [01:22:07] <nChomsky> Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves, you're right.
279 [01:22:12] <tomcres> if you don't know better than to do this, you really shouldn't be running testing
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281 [01:22:30] <nChomsky> Let's give the good ol' Kirta 2.8 a chance...
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283 [01:22:50] <nChomsky> Thanks anyway.
284 [01:22:52] <nChomsky> XD
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286 [01:23:35] <nChomsky> Just to be clear!
287 [01:23:52] <nChomsky> I wouldn't be able to get to 3.1 through backports, right?
288 [01:24:04] <tomcres> no, there is no backport available
289 [01:24:11] <tomcres> ,checkbackport krita
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291 [01:24:22] <nChomsky> : *(
292 [01:24:28] <judd> Backporting package krita in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libgsl-dev, extra-cmake-modules (>= 1.7.0), qtbase5-dev (>= 5.4.0), libqt5svg5-dev (>= 5.4.0), libqt5x11extras5-dev (>= 5.4.0), libkf5archive-dev (>= 5.7.0), libkf5completion-dev (>= 5.7.0), libkf5config-dev (>= 5.7.0), libkf5coreaddons-dev (>= 5.7.0), libkf5crash-dev (>= 5.7.0), libkf5guiaddons-dev
293 [01:24:29] <judd> (>= 5.7.0), libkf5i18n-dev (>= 5.7.0), libkf5itemmodels-dev (>= 5.7.0), libkf5itemviews-dev (>= 5.7.0), libkf5kio-dev (>= 5.7.0), libkf5widgetsaddons-dev (>= 5.7.0), libkf5windowsystem-dev (>= 5.7.0).
294 [01:24:30] <nChomsky> Ok, thanks!
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328 [01:48:05] <Pr0metheus> not a technical question, but....can anyone identify the gnome used in this picture: replaced-url
329 [01:48:18] <Pr0metheus> gnome theme
330 [01:48:32] <bazhang> no
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332 [01:49:14] <tomcres> looks like standard adwaita
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338 [01:52:38] <Pr0metheus> tomcres looked it up, seems like it in a very old version
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351 [02:02:41] <brimonk> Does anyone know if the xbox one controller is supported in Debian stable? If it is, how can I set it up?
352 [02:02:48] <brimonk> Preferably without recompiling my kernel.
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356 [02:04:35] <tomcres> you need kernel >= 3.17; unfortunately jessie (stable) has 3.16, BUT you can get a later version from backports
357 [02:04:42] <tomcres> ,v linux-image-amd64
358 [02:04:43] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.8+77~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+78; sid: 4.9+78
359 [02:04:48] <brimonk> Damn.
360 [02:04:50] <brimonk> Thanks.
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362 [02:05:54] <brimonk> Let's say that I want to compile my own kernel, is there a way to easily remove it once I'm done with it?
363 [02:05:55] <missmbob> ,xboxdrv
364 [02:06:24] <tomcres> brimonk: why compile your own kernel? it's much easier to install a newer one from backports
365 [02:06:36] <brimonk> That's true.
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367 [02:07:37] <brimonk> And I can just remove the backported linux kernel when I'm done with it?
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374 [02:10:15] <missmbob> if you're bored. this "i dont need it right now, toss it" mentality will get you in trouble if it hasnt already
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377 [02:13:19] <brimonk> I would honestly prefer a udev driver for it...
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384 [02:20:44] <goto-> I have an Lenovo X201t with Wacom Digitizer. Earlier (a year ago) the digitizer was automatically recognized. But as I installed Debian 8 Jessie via cd image on it, the digitizer was not recognized. Any idea?
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388 [02:23:05] <epsilon> standard way is to run lsusb/lspci and install the driver/firmware
389 [02:23:31] <epsilon> check if you have contributed/non-free as source
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394 [02:26:16] <goto-> epsilon: installed xserver-xorg-input-wacom
395 [02:26:31] <goto-> logged out & in no detection
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399 [02:28:40] <missmbob> of course there's no detection. you still havent listened to tomcres and upgraded the kernel from jessie-backports
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403 [02:31:46] <goto-> missmbob: ?
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405 [02:32:03] <goto-> missmbob: there was a working detection
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426 [02:45:46] <goto-> ok, it just started working
427 [02:45:47] <goto-> I don't no why, but it works
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442 [03:15:09] <name_not_defined> how important is queued trim for an ssd? currently looking at blacklisted ssds via the ssd optimization wiki page
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458 [03:24:46] <mad_hatter> hey folks...so i downloaded the firmware debian .iso and for some reason, its still not able to setup network conectivity in the installer
459 [03:24:51] <mad_hatter> is there something im doing wrong?
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473 [03:28:23] <Kafei> mad_hatter: Who manufactures your wifi card
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475 [03:29:30] <mad_hatter> realtek
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478 [03:30:21] <Kafei> You probably need the realtek-firmware package which isn't in the nonfree firmware Debian CDs (idk why)
479 [03:30:54] <Kafei> If you're able to, just plug yourself in for the install and grab that after
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481 [03:31:07] <mad_hatter> can't, no network cable :(
482 [03:31:23] <Kafei> Or load it in the installer beforehand (idk how, but I'm sure you've seen the installer ask if you've got extra usb media)
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484 [03:31:38] <mad_hatter> ive only got one usb drive
485 [03:31:57] <mad_hatter> is there a way that i can load the realtek-firmware package onto the same usb as the network installer .iso
486 [03:32:04] <Kafei> I'm not sure if the installer needs you to point it to a separate partition for it to load stuff
487 [03:32:13] <Kafei> or a separate device
488 [03:32:22] <Kafei> You might be able to create an extra partition on that same device
489 [03:32:45] <Kafei> But that's as far as my knowledge goes, hopefully someone else is around who can help
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492 [03:34:07] <mad_hatter> alrighty, thanks
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513 [03:45:39] <jak2000> hi why cant install curl? replaced-url
514 [03:47:02] <missmbob> yeah...that's not a curl problem :P
515 [03:47:28] <missmbob> did you at one point try to remove udev?
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518 [03:48:53] <mad_hatter> Kafei: do you have a link to the realtek-nonfree firmware for debian?
519 [03:49:06] <mad_hatter> er...the realtek firmware package?
520 [03:49:11] <missmbob> it's firmware-realtek
521 [03:49:47] <missmbob> nm. one sec
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523 [03:50:01] <mad_hatter> missmbob: nevermind, I found it
524 [03:50:23] <missmbob> my vision is really blurry today. not making things easy
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533 [03:52:30] <jak2000> missmbob remove udev?
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535 [03:53:23] <missmbob> yeah. that's what's killing everything. how you did that i dont know
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538 [03:53:55] <Kafei> jak2000: I don't believe that was a suggestion for you to now remove udev, just in case that was misinterpreted
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550 [04:03:38] <eliotime> Thunderbird will arrive to Debian in the version 52 ESR?
551 [04:03:59] <mad_hatter> missmbob: do you have a link to the realtek firmware package for jessie in .tar.gz format? or can i use the .deb format?
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556 [04:05:49] <gnoss> hey, what should -raAd generally do?
557 [04:05:52] <Kafei> mad_hatter: Which version are you using
558 [04:06:07] <Kafei> stable, testing, sid
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563 [04:07:07] <mad_hatter> what do you mean which version?
564 [04:07:10] <mad_hatter> version of jessie?
565 [04:07:19] <Kafei> nvm, jessie was the answer
566 [04:07:23] <mad_hatter> replaced-url
567 [04:07:26] <mad_hatter> ^^ that's what i have
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570 [04:07:49] <gnoss> debian dog jesse
571 [04:07:50] <missmbob> mad_hatter: replaced-url
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574 [04:08:06] <gnoss> jessie, nvm
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576 [04:09:04] <mad_hatter> alright...so basically all i need to do now is create 2 partitions on the usb drive -- one for the netinstall.iso and one for the firmware
577 [04:09:17] <Kafei> mad_hatter: I highly doubt we have the same hardware but fwiw I had to install firmware-atheros as well as firmware-realtek before my wifi would work
578 [04:09:58] <Kafei> But I'm not sure if the installer will accept a .deb as your missing firmware file
579 [04:10:06] <Kafei> As you asked a minute ago
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581 [04:11:19] <mad_hatter> yeah im not sure eitehr
582 [04:11:32] <mad_hatter> which is why i was curious if anyone knew of a .tar.gz version of that file
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585 [04:12:23] <debn00b> hello people, I just got Lenovo Ideapad laptop
586 [04:12:42] <Kafei> It also looks like the Jessie backports version of nonfree firmwares is just as updated as the one in testing and unstable
587 [04:12:48] <missmbob> the installer will accept deb but you can download .ts if you want
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589 [04:12:52] <debn00b> I am unable to setup wifi on it, have installed firmware etc
590 [04:12:54] <jak2000> debn00b wich model?
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592 [04:12:57] <jak2000> the price?
593 [04:13:01] <debn00b> but still can't see wifi
594 [04:13:02] <Kafei> I might grab the backported one in case that helps
595 [04:13:21] <debn00b> lenovo ideapad 300 15 inches
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597 [04:13:35] <Kafei> Those use Intel's wifi cards, don't they?
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601 [04:14:31] <missmbob> mad_hatter: replaced-url
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604 [04:15:04] <debn00b> yes Kafei
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606 [04:15:17] <mad_hatter> Thanks missmbob
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609 [04:15:41] <debn00b> Kafei firmware-iwlwifi is installed
610 [04:16:29] <debn00b> iwconfig says no wireless extension
611 [04:16:40] <missmbob> heh
612 [04:16:51] <missmbob> /sbin/ifconfig -a shows wlan0?
613 [04:16:57] <debn00b> no
614 [04:17:06] <missmbob> /sbin/ifconfig -a shows wlan0?
615 [04:17:06] <Kafei> What about wlp3s0
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619 [04:18:38] <Kafei> I have a newer Lenovo but it has Intel's 8265 card, not the 31xx
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621 [04:18:38] <Kafei> Would that make a difference in firmware
622 [04:18:40] <Deb8n00b> am here, no wlan0
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624 [04:18:44] <Kafei> slash are you certain which card you've got
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626 [04:20:10] <Deb8n00b> I have just inserted the driver CD
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629 [04:21:25] <Deb8n00b> here is the info replaced-url
630 [04:21:29] <Deb8n00b> about wlan
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643 [04:29:02] <Kafei> replaced-url
644 [04:29:17] <Kafei> Make sure your installation is using a recent enough kernel maybe
645 [04:29:21] <Kafei> Just a guess after I googled
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647 [04:29:43] <Kafei> The following devices are supported (since kernel version):
648 [04:29:43] <Kafei> Intel® Wireless 3165 (4.1)
649 [04:29:49] <missmbob> there's backported ones in jessie-backports
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651 [04:30:06] <Kafei> That too, which I'd definitely recommend
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656 [04:31:51] <mad_hatter> Kafei: should I format the usb for 2 partitions first before copying over any files? or should i just copy the netinstall.iso to the usb first with cp
657 [04:31:57] <mad_hatter> and THEN create a new partition for the firmware?
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659 [04:32:16] <Kafei> I'm not sure, I always got annoyed enough to just plug in an ethernet cord at that point
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661 [04:32:31] <mad_hatter> lmao, trust me i would if that was an available option
662 [04:32:41] <mad_hatter> at least this way im refurbishing my fdisk chops
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669 [04:41:51] <jak2000> anyone can help me: replaced-url
670 [04:41:55] <jak2000> why i get errors?
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685 [04:51:22] <RickHull> the errors at the bottom probably have to do with all the hot garbage at the top
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707 [05:05:52] <jak2000> RickHull i ant upgrade my system how to?
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714 [05:06:46] <CodeMachine> Hey. How do I move a file to folder "home" ? I do not have permission, only root.
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718 [05:13:21] <peterrooney> CodeMachine: More context, please. many situations can cause that. First _guess_ : you do not have permission to remove from original directory.
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764 [05:53:24] <ToiLTP> how do you `source` a file in debian?
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766 [05:54:35] <klys> toiltp, $ . file.sh
767 [05:54:59] <jak2000> i need install curl
768 [05:55:03] <jak2000> but cant: replaced-url
769 [05:55:06] <jak2000> any advice?
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772 [05:56:05] <ToiLTP> klys, doesn't seem to work
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778 [05:56:59] <mad_hatter> how do you drop to a shell during debian installation?
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780 [05:57:42] <klys> mad_hatter, left-alt + f2
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783 [05:58:15] <klys> jak2000, paste the standardized comments near the top of your custom initscripts in /etc/init.d/*
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785 [05:59:09] <klys> toiltp, who or what told you to source file.sh ?
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789 [06:00:29] <klys> toiltp, this is because I don't know should it be working in a way you need it to
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792 [06:01:43] <mad_hatter> klys: thanks
793 [06:01:56] <klys> sure
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796 [06:04:05] <mad_hatter> klys: do you know if debian has a complete install.iso
797 [06:04:12] <mad_hatter> ?
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799 [06:04:46] <klys> perhaps older versions did. these days the complete install is on a set of .iso images.
800 [06:05:06] <mad_hatter> yeah thats what i need
801 [06:05:07] <jak2000> klys: replaced-url
802 [06:05:17] <mad_hatter> i dont havea bunch of blank cd's
803 [06:05:19] <mad_hatter> just a single usb drive
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805 [06:06:36] <klys> jak2000, find /etc/rc?.d | grep Glass
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808 [06:07:12] <jak2000> replaced-url
809 [06:07:27] <klys> mad_hatter, and you want an .iso? I don't really know how to run an .iso from a usb drive myself.
810 [06:07:32] <Rusty1_> mad_hatter: netinstall not an option?
811 [06:07:54] <mad_hatter> Rusty1_: no...the installer doesn't support my net card
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825 [06:18:49] <jak2000> klaas?
826 [06:18:53] <jak2000> klys?
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829 [06:20:20] <klys> hi
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831 [06:20:58] <klys> jak2000, where did those files come from? did you put them there?
832 [06:21:08] <klys> each file that's there needs the comment aat the top
833 [06:21:15] <klys> at*
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835 [06:21:53] <name_not_defined> anyone running debian stable using a SSD?
836 [06:22:02] <dubbaluga> Hi, does anyone of you know, what's wrong with my chromium in debian unstable? I cannot install extensions because "installation is not enabled".
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840 [06:27:13] <sypher> name_not_defined: What is your actual issue?
841 [06:27:45] <jak2000> not put
842 [06:27:50] <jak2000> can i remove?
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844 [06:28:01] <sypher> dubbaluga: This channel provides support for debian stable.
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846 [06:28:15] <klys> jak2000, you should remove them, yes.
847 [06:28:18] <sypher> !tell dubbaluga about testing
848 [06:28:21] <sypher> !tell dubbaluga about unstable
849 [06:28:58] <dubbaluga> sypher: Oh, I see, thx for the hint!
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851 [06:30:46] <musick> howdoyoudo! how long time ago Yst has been present on channel?
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853 [06:31:10] <musick> where to find him?
854 [06:31:17] <musick> or her?
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856 [06:31:57] <name_not_defined> sypher: trying to figure out what ssd to buy to put debian stable on. Looked at the blacklist for ssds mentioned on the ssd optimization wiki page and am currently confused about the list
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864 [06:37:47] <musick> sorry, i forget do not look for ppl on freenode)
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896 [07:15:31] <kingsley> When pointed at a Sansa Fuse USB MP3 player, why would the "cfdisk" command say it can partition "any block device", and show the MP3 player's partition table, but the mount command says "/dev/sd"<xx>" is not a block device"?
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900 [07:17:01] <kingsley> Hmmmm.
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903 [07:18:12] <kingsley> "mount /dev/sd"<letter> "/media/usb0" with no partition number didn't report an error...
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908 [07:19:50] <kingsley> I'd expected to need to also type a partition number, like, for example...
909 [07:20:10] <kingsley> mount /dev/sdd3 /media/usb0
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925 [07:29:57] <kingsley> Now my sound card isn't recognized... :-/
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928 [07:34:07] <klys> kingsley, are you running udev ?
929 [07:34:30] <kingsley> klys: Thanks for asking.
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931 [07:34:37] <kingsley> Yes, indeed I am.
932 [07:34:45] <kingsley> And pulseaudio.
933 [07:34:58] <klys> kingsley, what is the output of "lspci | grep Audio"
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935 [07:35:31] <kingsley> klys: Well, well, well!
936 [07:36:04] <kingsley> I'm happy to report that lspci lists a card that looks like what I remember my sound card being.
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938 [07:36:46] <klys> kingsley, next step is to find your sound card's identity in a Kconfig at kernel.org
939 [07:37:09] <kingsley> Why?
940 [07:39:05] <klys> replaced-url
941 [07:40:45] <kingsley> klys: Maybe I owe you an apology.
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943 [07:40:56] <klys> kingsley, then you can sudo modprobe something like snd_hda_codec_realtek
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948 [07:42:25] <kingsley> Through no fault of your own, I had not yet mentioned that my pre-existing software and hardware recognized the sound card and used it until about a hour ago.
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950 [07:43:30] <klys> kingsley, if your kernel locks up or something weird happens when you modprobe snd_hda_codec_* then just be ready I suppose.
951 [07:43:58] <kingsley> I'd be surprised if a kernel module stopped loading.
952 [07:44:00] <klys> kingsley, you can find currently attached alsa modules with "lspci | grep snd"
953 [07:44:13] <klys> erm
954 [07:44:19] <klys> kingsley, you can find currently attached alsa modules with "lsmod | grep snd"
955 [07:44:22] <klys> sry
956 [07:44:28] <klys> =)
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959 [07:45:41] <kingsley> Yeah, coincidentally, I was just grepping though lsmod's output.
960 [07:45:43] <klys> if the modules for your sound card are in the list, and you can't run alsamixer, then look at "dmesg | less" to see what happened
961 [07:46:07] <kingsley> I have plenty of audio related modules loaded, including one named "snd".
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964 [07:46:27] <kingsley> That looks reasonable. I'll try it,.
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969 [07:47:37] <kingsley> Well, well, well!
970 [07:47:46] <kingsley> dmesg says...
971 [07:48:04] <kingsley> snd_ens1371 0000:03:05.0: cannot find the slot for index 0 (range 0-0), error: -16
972 [07:48:17] <kingsley> snd_ens1371: probe of 0000:03:05.0 failed with error -16
973 [07:50:48] <kingsley> klys: Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts.
974 [07:51:00] <jak2000> klys?
975 [07:51:18] <klys> please check the MODULE_PARM parameters in snd_ens1371.c or related source file at the above repository, look for something like position_fix=2
976 [07:51:51] <klys> jak2000, have you removed the above files and tried again?
977 [07:53:47] <jak2000> yes
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979 [07:53:51] <jak2000> and installed :)
980 [07:53:54] <jak2000> thanks
981 [07:53:58] <klys> k
982 [07:55:15] <jak2000> wich is the problem
983 [07:55:18] <jak2000> can you explain?
984 [07:55:18] <jak2000> pls
985 [07:56:36] <klys> jak2000, is there a problem?
986 [07:57:47] <jak2000> no
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989 [07:58:59] <jak2000> but you
990 [07:59:04] <jak2000> how to detected the problem?
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992 [07:59:39] <klys> read about sysvinit. it loads /etc/inittab and then everything in /etc/rc?.d
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994 [08:00:40] <jak2000> ok
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1083 [09:42:40] <noqnio1> Good morning everyone. Lately tracker-miner-fs is eating up lots of cpu and hdd at every boot. If i try to apt-get remove tracker it also wants to remove gnome-core and task-gnome-desktop. How do i only remove tracker?
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1088 [09:46:41] <j3ff> ls
1089 [09:46:44] <j3ff> !ip
1090 [09:46:45] <dpkg> IP (Internet Protocol) is a connectionless, best-effort packet switching protocol. It provides packet routing, fragmentation and re-assembly through the data link layer. To check yours, go to replaced-url
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1242 [11:32:20] <gr8> someone told me to install the debug symbols of some library (which I did) and then look at the backtrace. Do I need to recompile the entire program first?
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1249 [11:37:12] <volter> gr8: No
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1279 [11:55:49] <unborn> noqnio1: I dont know how to remove it but you can disable it
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1285 [11:57:37] <unborn> noqnio1: in preferences > search and there disable what you dont want to be tracked. also click on cog icon in bottom of window (in gnome) and turn off folders which you dont want to be tracked. this should do the job for you so cpu wont go high
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1297 [12:05:53] <unborn> noqnio1: or perhaps replaced-url
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1316 [12:25:07] <iluminator105> i need a weather applet that i do not need to register to one i was using does not work any more any suggestions
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1322 [12:28:08] <SynrG> iluminator105: my suggestion is that you use punctuation.
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1325 [12:28:56] <iluminator105> dude that was straight English
1326 [12:29:05] <SynrG> it was almost palpably painful to parse your unpunctuated inquiry :p
1327 [12:29:33] * SynrG shrugs
1328 [12:29:35] <SynrG> just saying
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1331 [12:30:38] <romancer> Is it safe to install Debian 9 now and update to release after 5th of Feb?
1332 [12:31:04] <iluminator105> well taken, I suppose I could add a period or two every, now and then. No feminine products sold here period.
1333 [12:31:23] <SynrG> romancer: "safe" is a tricky word
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1335 [12:31:30] <themill> iluminator105: grow up, thanks.
1336 [12:31:37] <petn-randall> romancer: Only if you're willing to beta-test our upcoming release, and fix/report bugs on the way.
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1338 [12:31:44] <SynrG> romancer: safe, as in, "can i do this and expect to have no issues due to running testing?" no,
1339 [12:31:52] <themill> romancer: stretch doesn't magically improve on Feb 5 btw. The release is months away
1340 [12:32:03] <n4dir> I don't think there will be a release 5th of Feb, or after that. And, like SynrG already said, "safe" depends on what exactly one expects (imho it is safe ... but ... )
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1345 [12:33:42] <romancer> Let's say comparing to FreeBSD, it was very smooth experience of updating from RC to 'release'. Is something similar expected with Debian, or things likely to break?
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1347 [12:33:55] <noqnio1> unborn: i have already disabled it..
1348 [12:33:57] <romancer> From replaced-url
1349 [12:34:08] <themill> freeze ≠ release
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1352 [12:34:38] <themill> the upgrades will be fine. There's a reason it's not released though and if the bugs that aren't fixed annoy you then you're not going to be happy
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1370 [12:43:51] <romancer> "As of 2016-07-14, upgrading to Stretch from Jessie seems to remove some packages that are needed to run Gnome"
1371 [12:43:54] <romancer> Nice!
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1441 [13:27:46] <realies`> hi all
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1443 [13:28:25] <klys> hi
1444 [13:28:37] <realies`> I've just installed a debian jessie as a home servier
1445 [13:28:39] <realies`> *server
1446 [13:29:03] <realies`> I wonder what's a good approach in separating your services from the bare os?
1447 [13:29:21] <klys> realies`, read up on sysvinit
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1449 [13:29:38] <realies`> klys, thanks!
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1454 [13:30:04] <realies`> someone said docker, but I've read bad things about getting images from all over the place
1455 [13:30:38] <realies`> I assume sysvinit is like chroot?
1456 [13:30:47] <klys> it's pid 1
1457 [13:30:52] <realies`> ok
1458 [13:31:20] <realies`> so the first thing that initialises on the system
1459 [13:31:41] <klys> yes, and it has an approach to loading things that I would like you to know.
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1462 [13:32:59] <realies`> :))
1463 [13:33:50] <themill> of course you're probably using systemd not sysvinit so while some concepts have obvious parallels, the documentation won't match what you have sitting in front of you
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1469 [13:36:22] <storm__> hey all
1470 [13:36:25] <klys> hi
1471 [13:36:31] <storm__> problem with
1472 [13:36:37] <storm__> init armitage
1473 [13:36:45] <storm__> kali rolling 2016.2
1474 [13:37:08] <petn-randall> !kali
1475 [13:37:08] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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1477 [13:37:13] <klys> there should be a channel devoted to kali, what brings you here?
1478 [13:37:17] <storm__> fatal password authentication
1479 [13:37:17] <petn-randall> storm__: You can find the right channel up here ^^^.
1480 [13:37:23] <storm__> ok thanks
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1485 [13:41:55] <realies`> klys, which I've read that it is the first thing it starts on the system and the goes and initialises different services, did you mean for me to read something more specific?
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1487 [13:42:21] <jklmnop1> Hi! Can someone please tell me the name of a program on Debian 8 (64bit) to compress one or few files with a high rate of compression that preferrably can also be handled by Winzip/Winrar/7zip on Windows hosts please? If possible including full set of parameters too..that'd be great :P Thanks anyway !
1488 [13:42:32] <jklmnop1> (.gzip or .tar .. kinda files and such should be openable by Winrar or similar on Windows, for example --I think)
1489 [13:42:35] <realies`> themill, good point, not sure what klys wants me to know :)
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1491 [13:43:05] <realies`> jklmnop1, zip?
1492 [13:43:32] <jklmnop1> hm..yeah I guess.. that does a decent work with compressing (size) yeah..?
1493 [13:44:15] <jklmnop1> btw.. I compiled a .c file using "x86_64-w64-mingw32-gcc inputfile.c -o outputfile.exe --static" -- any idea if that may be correct, hoping to end with a file being able to run on a Windows host afterwards..? :d
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1495 [13:46:27] <klys> realies`, you should understand runlevels and how to use them to manage your services
1496 [13:46:45] <themill> klys: why?
1497 [13:47:05] <realies`> how's that related to separation of service from the bare os?
1498 [13:47:09] <klys> themill, the original question was how to separate your services from the kernel as such
1499 [13:47:29] <themill> no it wasn't (and it's not an answer to that question either)
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1501 [13:47:51] <realies`> from what I've read I'd probably know when/how to start my services/container
1502 [13:48:06] <realies`> s
1503 [13:48:07] <klys> the services are tied into the system and there is only the initialization process there to link them
1504 [13:48:41] <themill> realies`: what sort of separation are you trying to achieve and why?
1505 [13:48:54] <realies`> but what if for example I want to have an owncloud/seafile service on the box and want it to be running in isolation?
1506 [13:49:16] <themill> depends what "isolation" means
1507 [13:49:19] <klys> then you will need a custom initscript to start it that way
1508 [13:49:20] <towo`> then docker or lxc would fit your needs
1509 [13:49:20] <realies`> themill, mainly of security reasons, and the fact that if I get something wrong I won't have to deal with OS cleanup but container cleanup
1510 [13:49:38] <realies`> or perhaps container recreation
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1512 [13:50:11] <realies`> klys, so far I've been putting things in bashrc :P
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1516 [13:50:43] <romancer> realies`, Fre<ahem>SD jails.
1517 [13:50:44] <klys> realies`, the initscripts are symlinks from /etc/rc?.d/* to /etc/init.d/*
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1519 [13:51:17] <realies`> romancer, I've heard about jails but though that's a BSD thing
1520 [13:51:18] <klys> you would put your initscript in there and affix it to the appropriate runlevel.
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1522 [13:51:51] <klys> you would use it to initiate your chroot jail
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1524 [13:52:22] <realies`> so chroot is similar to the bsd jail, right?
1525 [13:52:50] <klys> realies`, chroot is the bsd jail afaik. are you aware of a difference there between linux and bsd?
1526 [13:53:25] <realies`> not aware of the differences
1527 [13:53:52] <klys> in any case, when you start the process via chroot, your pid should still be visible to the rest of the system.
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1536 [13:59:24] <realies`> so can processes from chroot get beyond chroot?
1537 [14:00:04] <klys> realies`, I really don't see how.
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1539 [14:03:02] <jklmnop1> try google like "chroot escape"+2016 +poc or such
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1541 [14:04:04] <PhilMitSkill> Hello
1542 [14:04:09] <jklmnop1> Well met
1543 [14:04:22] <PhilMitSkill> who it goesS
1544 [14:04:24] <PhilMitSkill> ?
1545 [14:04:58] <jklmnop1> hm.. someone, surely.. yet to figure who exactly though. Working on that.
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1553 [14:11:46] <realies`> chroot vs docker?
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1577 [14:29:39] <RuGaL> Hi, Please help me out with this... wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32
1578 [14:29:53] <RuGaL> I am using Debian 64 BIT
1579 [14:29:53] <towo`> context?
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1581 [14:30:13] <towo`> if you want to run 32bit apps, you need to enable multiarch
1582 [14:30:18] <RuGaL> I think i have Install sudo apt-get install lib32z1 lib32ncurses5 lib32bz2-1.0 instead of 64 BIT
1583 [14:30:25] <RuGaL> How I Enable ?
1584 [14:30:27] <petn-randall> !goal
1585 [14:30:28] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
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1589 [14:32:49] <RuGaL> Actually I am installing Gseen And Stats Eggdrop there I got this error
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1591 [14:32:56] <RuGaL> wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32
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1597 [14:37:08] <petn-randall> RuGaL: Can you provide the full command you're running + the full output to give some context? You can paste it to replaced-url
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1599 [14:38:32] <jim> RuGaL, is eggdrop still tcl?
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1608 [14:43:09] <RuGaL> YES
1609 [14:43:19] <RuGaL> Can't load modules gseen: /home/Statistics/eggdrop/modules/gseen.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32
1610 [14:43:54] <jim> were they compiled before, and for a different arch?
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1613 [14:44:35] <RuGaL> No 1st time i am doing
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1618 [14:44:46] <RuGaL> My VPS Is on 64 BIT DEBIAN
1619 [14:45:25] <jim> and you will/you have installed the eggdrop on that?
1620 [14:45:32] <RuGaL> yes
1621 [14:45:42] <RuGaL> and this message i got wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32
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1623 [14:45:52] <RuGaL> only on gseen and stats
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1626 [14:46:30] <jim> the eggdrop itself should work fine... I'm guessing here, that the module you're trying to load was compiled for a 32bit arch
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1628 [14:47:04] <RuGaL> yes thats whats the problem
1629 [14:47:15] <RuGaL> eggdrop is working fine. but i have this error in eggdrop
1630 [14:47:37] <RuGaL> How i solve this error "wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32" ?
1631 [14:48:02] <jim> can you compile the modules (do you have the compilers/tools? do you know how?)
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1633 [14:48:20] <RuGaL> yes after i compile all modules after i get this error
1634 [14:48:48] <jim> so the compiler is making 32bit modules?
1635 [14:48:59] <RuGaL> yes
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1637 [14:49:10] <RuGaL> One person is saying enable multiarch.
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1640 [14:49:53] <jelly> RuGaL: can you pastebin the full output of your compilation process?
1641 [14:50:06] <realies`> is there anythin web-based that would allow me to install different services?
1642 [14:50:36] <RuGaL> jelly: Its very hard to paste like this i am just showing you the error
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1645 [14:50:47] <jelly> !paste
1646 [14:50:48] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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1648 [14:51:50] <jelly> RuGaL: you're not meant to paste in here, but on a pastebin site like replaced-url
1649 [14:51:52] <guampa> I'm hitting a problem with dhclient where it ignores (per RFC) the "routers" option when the dhcp server is handing a 121 option (classless static routes). Has anyone encounter this?
1650 [14:51:54] <RuGaL> man. after i install gseen and stats modules in my eggdrop i get this error
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1652 [14:52:04] <jim> RuGaLI can help you with that... you can do apt-get install nopaste
1653 [14:52:06] <RuGaL> this is the only error i get
1654 [14:52:18] <jelly> RuGaL: how exactly do you "install gseen"
1655 [14:52:36] <guampa> thinking of adding a classless route for the default gateway with destination 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0, but not sure if it's the right solution
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1657 [14:53:04] <Plushwolf> Is it possible to setup a feature like "hide processes from other users" and/or "randomize new process id's" or so like FreeBSD has?
1658 [14:53:19] <RuGaL> I install lang files and gseen.conf and seen.conf in eggdrop
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1661 [14:53:47] <jelly> RuGaL: can you show the actual commands and their output?
1662 [14:54:36] <RuGaL> there is no command
1663 [14:54:51] <RuGaL> Can't load modules gseen: /home/Statistics/eggdrop/modules/gseen.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32
1664 [14:54:55] <RuGaL> just this error
1665 [14:54:57] * jelly gives up
1666 [14:55:21] <RuGaL> gives up?
1667 [14:55:35] <RuGaL> Man do you not understand me ?
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1669 [14:57:28] <RuGaL> ?
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1671 [14:58:36] <jelly> it's hard to help someone unwilling or unable to say how they arrived at the current situation
1672 [14:58:44] <Plushwolf> RuGaL: Because this isn't a debian-related problem you should contact ##eggdrop instead
1673 [14:58:55] <Plushwolf> * #eggdrop
1674 [14:58:57] <RuGaL> It is Debian Related
1675 [14:59:11] <RuGaL> wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 is from Debian
1676 [14:59:15] <jelly> I don't know whether it's debian related or not, because there's not enough info
1677 [15:00:54] <Plushwolf> RuGaL: This looks like a common issue in eggdrop, other linux distributions like gentoo gets the same errors
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1679 [15:01:36] <jelly> such an error should not happen if one builds the software on the same machine it's running
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1681 [15:01:43] <RuGaL> Plushwolf: YES thats correct. I am not only one who faces this trouble
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1683 [15:02:44] <jelly> RuGaL: so, can you tell how did "/home/Statistics/eggdrop/modules/gseen.so" appear on your system?
1684 [15:02:49] <Plushwolf> RuGaL: Have you compiled eggdrop on the same machine? If yes, what commands and compiler options did you use and executed?
1685 [15:03:02] <jelly> (or in other words, how was it installed)
1686 [15:03:21] <Plushwolf> Yes
1687 [15:03:22] <RuGaL> jelly: I install manually copy files gseen and stats into my eggdrop
1688 [15:03:29] <jelly> RuGaL: copy from WHERE?
1689 [15:03:42] <RuGaL> jelly: from other eggdrop where it was working
1690 [15:03:58] <jelly> RuGaL: was this other installation also a 64bit system?
1691 [15:04:15] <RuGaL> Maybe that one is 32BIT Debian
1692 [15:04:22] <Plushwolf> That's why
1693 [15:04:30] <RuGaL> Mine is 64BIT Debain
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1695 [15:04:44] <RuGaL> yes
1696 [15:05:10] <Plushwolf> You know what ELFCLASS32 means?
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1698 [15:05:25] <jelly> RuGaL: so you didn't actually build the file "/home/Statistics/eggdrop/modules/gseen.so" on this system, you copied it from some old installation
1699 [15:05:27] <jelly> ?
1700 [15:05:35] <RuGaL> yes
1701 [15:05:36] <Plushwolf> You're trying to run a 32bit library in a 64bit application
1702 [15:05:53] <RuGaL> Plushwolf: Yes thats the problem
1703 [15:05:54] <jelly> RuGaL: pastebin the output of "file /path/to/your/eggdrop"
1704 [15:06:13] <Plushwolf> RuGaL: This usually doesn't work well then
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1706 [15:06:38] <jelly> or just paste it here, that's one line
1707 [15:06:38] <RuGaL> Should i reinstall my VPS into 32BIT
1708 [15:06:54] <Plushwolf> Why? There's no need
1709 [15:07:06] <towo`> if i read such questions, you should shutdown your vps at all
1710 [15:07:07] <jelly> you probably want to actually compile that gseen thing from source.
1711 [15:07:28] <Plushwolf> towo`: I agree
1712 [15:07:39] <jelly> judd: file gseen.so
1713 [15:07:43] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
1714 [15:07:53] <RuGaL> Mine is Jessie
1715 [15:07:55] <RuGaL> New one
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1717 [15:08:26] <RuGaL> jelly:/home/Test/eggdrop
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1719 [15:08:50] <jelly> RuGaL: run this command: "file /home/Test/eggdrop", and show the output here
1720 [15:08:56] <RuGaL> If there's anything both should work 32 n 64 ?
1721 [15:09:31] <bgardner> Hello! I've got a debian 8.7 box that -- at install time -- I only set up wired ethernet. I now want to activate wireless so I installed wireless-tools and firmware-b43-installer. This all works except module 'b43' doesn't insmod at boot. I added a line to /etc/modules but it made no difference. Manually calling 'modprobe b43' *does* work. Advice for my next step?
1722 [15:09:32] <Plushwolf> RuGaL: I would compile eggdrop again from scratch with gseen.so included
1723 [15:09:34] <RuGaL> -bash: /home/Test/.bashrc: line 6: syntax error near unexpected token `$'in\r''
1724 [15:09:34] <jelly> RuGaL: it's very hard to state the actual cause because you're not giving useful info.
1725 [15:09:44] <jelly> wtf
1726 [15:10:30] * Plushwolf eats some jelly :)
1727 [15:10:32] <jelly> RuGaL: if I had to guess, I'd say you're trying to use a 32-bit built module with a 64-bit built eggdrop binary. This will not work,
1728 [15:10:48] <jelly> the builds have to match.
1729 [15:10:51] <Plushwolf> I already told that ... no one listens to me ... why should you o_O
1730 [15:10:56] <RuGaL> what i do now?
1731 [15:11:22] <jelly> remove the broken .so file and continue using the bot without it
1732 [15:11:43] <Plushwolf> RuGaL: Or compile the .so by yourself on a 64bit machine
1733 [15:12:09] <jelly> they seem to both have no idea what that means, and are too afraid to say so
1734 [15:12:13] <RuGaL> Plushwolf: You know how to install Gseen and Stats ? Then I will give you info
1735 [15:12:24] <Plushwolf> jelly: Hm?
1736 [15:12:35] <Plushwolf> RuGaL: no
1737 [15:12:35] <sypher> RuGaL: That's not how this works. Give info publicly, and if people can help, they will help.
1738 [15:12:36] <jelly> "compile the .so by yourself"
1739 [15:12:49] <RuGaL> ok
1740 [15:12:50] <Plushwolf> jelly: and?
1741 [15:12:57] <Plushwolf> jelly: It's not so hard o_O
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1743 [15:13:37] <jelly> I'd do it for $80/hr :-)
1744 [15:13:48] <Plushwolf> :)
1745 [15:13:58] <RuGaL> If i enable multiarch it will work?
1746 [15:14:04] <jelly> RuGaL: no
1747 [15:14:08] <Plushwolf> replaced-url
1748 [15:14:10] <Plushwolf> Here's the source :)
1749 [15:14:22] <RuGaL> they use old ver 1.6
1750 [15:14:51] <jelly> RuGaL: you need to have matching builds for eggdrop and eggdrop modules, cannot mix and match new eggdrop with some modules built on an old system
1751 [15:15:44] <Plushwolf> "[15:12] <jelly> they seem to both have no idea what that means] ... I know what that means FYI
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1754 [15:17:03] <OneSploit> Hi, I have a problem, after recent updates it seems my laptop has soft rf-kkill always on. Any ideas how to fix this ?
1755 [15:17:04] <jelly> Plushwolf: duh. RuGaL doesn't.
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1757 [15:17:29] <Plushwolf> jelly: I don't know, let's not talk bad about other peoples here :)
1758 [15:17:30] <OneSploit> It's kind of tricky cause i have to turn rf-kill on first with key then off, and then WiFi works
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1760 [15:18:03] <teraflops> Plushwolf: yeah start by yourself
1761 [15:18:09] <Plushwolf> teraflops: Hm?
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1763 [15:18:55] <teraflops> apart from the funny comments do you have something useful to say?
1764 [15:19:10] <Plushwolf> What funny comments? I didn't said any funny comment
1765 [15:19:15] <Plushwolf> s
1766 [15:19:23] <jelly> teraflops: they've been trying to help for 30+ minutes, what are you smoking
1767 [15:19:34] <teraflops> ok
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1769 [15:19:42] <OneSploit> debian stopped respecting blacklists from /etc/modprobe.d/ ?/
1770 [15:19:52] <OneSploit> seems module I blacklisted is loaded for uunknown reason tome
1771 [15:20:02] <jelly> OneSploit: jessie?
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1777 [15:20:45] <jelly> OneSploit: which debian release are you on, and which module does not get blacklisted properly?
1778 [15:21:01] <OneSploit> jelly: debian sid
1779 [15:21:12] <OneSploit> it's wmi module loaded by ideapad_laptop
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1781 [15:21:29] <jelly> OneSploit: wrong place to ask, then
1782 [15:21:31] <OneSploit> I belive it's the reason why my rf-soft switch gets turned on
1783 [15:21:34] <jelly> !debian-next
1784 [15:21:34] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1785 [15:21:49] <OneSploit> I thought I joined #debian-next
1786 [15:21:53] <OneSploit> ah this is freenode ;/
1787 [15:21:57] <OneSploit> ok sorry :)
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1819 [15:33:24] <jklmnop1> when I do "apt-get install <whatever>" it often floods my screen with a bunch of Suggested: or Recommended: packages as well.. I some times change my initial selection to include the lot,in hopes of avoiding issues or adding functionality.... but is there a way to auto-include any and all eventual Suggested: / Recommended: apps when I try install stuff ?
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1824 [15:35:22] <TomTomTosch> recommended packages are installed witht he default apt configuration. suggested can be pulled with --install-suggests also see --no-install-recommends in man apt-get
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1826 [15:35:40] <jklmnop1> ooh. cool. many thanks
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1829 [15:36:31] <n4dir> there is also a file to make such changes permanent, i always forget if it is /etc/apt/apreferences or /etc/apt/apt.conf
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1832 [15:36:48] <n4dir> though as far it's me the default configuration is fine
1833 [15:36:54] <jklmnop1> cool.. :o)
1834 [15:36:59] <jklmnop1> ty
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1890 [16:13:58] <hmuller> when reviewing a package relationship, what does the '<<' mean. I understand >= is 'greater than or equal to'
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1895 [16:15:41] <hmuller> nvm, I regoogled that clarified question and found the ansewr
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1927 [16:34:32] <jklmnop1> replaced-url
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1929 [16:34:43] <jklmnop1> (protip,run: wget "replaced-url
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1936 [16:38:49] <enoch85> how do I fill a drive with zeros and stops filling it when there is 5% left of the space on the drive?
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1948 [16:44:52] <noc_> make a swap partition (only 4KB will be written) then dd to it
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1950 [16:45:12] <somiaj> jklmnop1: this is a support channel, please stick on topic and don't share gifs here, there are social channels for that.
1951 [16:45:17] <noc_> if ssd, make an ext4 partition, it will TRIM the data automatically before filesystem creation
1952 [16:46:03] <somiaj> seems like an intersting request, why would you want to stop at 5% left? dd can be controled to do that, but you have to manually compute/state when to stop.
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1958 [16:49:08] <kupi> hello
1959 [16:49:23] <kupi> hi
1960 [16:49:34] <somiaj> hi
1961 [16:49:53] <kupi> where can I find the current x32 installer?
1962 [16:50:09] <kupi> all I could find is this outdated site
1963 [16:50:10] <kupi> replaced-url
1964 [16:50:21] <kupi> which tells me now it's done by Debian
1965 [16:50:29] <somiaj> what do you mean by x32 installer? Do you mean i386 (32bit) or some other port?
1966 [16:50:48] <kupi> replaced-url
1967 [16:50:54] <kupi> I mean this
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1971 [16:53:36] <DexterF> hi.
1972 [16:54:01] <DexterF> having a hard time if a mdadm raid1 on deb8 is ok or not: here is partitons: replaced-url
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1974 [16:54:31] <somiaj> kupi: ahh thanks. I'm not sure how to deal with unoffical ports, and if the wiki is outdated not sure what is the best suggestion.
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1977 [16:55:07] <DexterF> sdi and sdh form a 2 device raid1, then it has partitions md2p[n]. so far, so good. /proc/mdstat says both raids are ok, the raid1 has [UU] status
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1983 [16:55:39] <kupi> >Update: the contents of this site is stale, with no updates since jessie. Current work is done in Debian proper, in unstable.
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1986 [16:56:33] <DexterF> but: as one can see, sdi has partitions listed, while it should be only one big partiton for type RAID. further, mdadm -E /dev/sdi does not show raid info: replaced-url
1987 [16:57:24] <jklmnop1> enoch85: if still needing to write zeros to all but wherever remaining 5%, instead of dd if that'd b your choice otherwise, try check out dcfldd or dc3dd instead. dd but with some enhancements..
1988 [16:57:28] <DexterF> so what does that tell about the state of that raid1 now? is it ok?
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1990 [16:58:06] <somiaj> kupi: maybe this will help replaced-url
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1993 [16:59:07] <kupi> somiaj: thanks but I have already seen this and there is no installer
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1996 [17:01:34] <somiaj> kupi: irc.oftc.net may have a channel for this unoffical port that could be of better help
1997 [17:01:55] <kupi> somiaj: but it's official
1998 [17:02:08] <kupi> Topic for channel #debian-x32: Official development
1999 [17:02:08] <kupi> coordination channel of the Debian/x32 port -
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2001 [17:02:35] <somiaj> kupi: by unoffical port, I mean one that is not being supprted with the releases...not that it isn't supported by the debian community.
2002 [17:02:54] <somiaj> I guess the webpage calls them offical and other.
2003 [17:03:05] <TomTomTosch> the site you linked has installer images and instructions on how to install without the installer.
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2014 [17:11:22] <S1ohy> Is this an issue with apt or with what I'm trying to do?: replaced-url
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2017 [17:13:43] <TomTomTosch> possibly a bug in stretched version of apt-add-repository. but don't add ubuntu ppas to your debian system if you don't want to breake it.
2018 [17:14:12] <S1ohy> sometimes you have to
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2021 [17:14:29] <S1ohy> trying to get infinality font rendering :/
2022 [17:16:08] <shewp> i accidentally installed steam via ubuntu ppa once, rip system
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2026 [17:16:42] <S1ohy> how much harm would come upon me if I installed a jessie .deb?
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2032 [17:18:15] <TomTomTosch> just don't do it. build from source if you need to.
2033 [17:18:23] <S1ohy> sigh
2034 [17:18:35] <S1ohy> replaced-url
2035 [17:18:49] <S1ohy> that doesnt work, as in not building the right deb files
2036 [17:19:22] <S1ohy> anyone have experience building that?
2037 [17:19:23] <S1ohy> xb
2038 [17:19:26] <S1ohy> woops
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2071 [17:36:24] <graps> Hi all
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2099 [17:56:31] <pikaro> hi! I'm trying to install libpng12-0, and regardless of doing it through apt or manually downloading the package manually, I get "unable to install new version of '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng12.so.0': No such file or directory". what's happening here? tried it several times.
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2107 [17:58:32] <GPenguin> pikaro: i would feed the filename witout path to "apt-file search" to find out in which package the file is
2108 [17:58:40] <GPenguin> pikaro: and then install this one
2109 [17:59:20] <pikaro> well, it's in libpng12-0 :\
2110 [17:59:27] <GPenguin> doh
2111 [17:59:30] <GPenguin> hmmm
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2113 [17:59:42] <soniaa> ?
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2115 [17:59:47] <soniaa> replaced-url
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2117 [17:59:54] <pikaro> I've seen this error before when part of the target path didn't exist, but /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ definitely does
2118 [17:59:55] <GPenguin> pikaro: what says "apt-get -f install"?
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2121 [18:00:32] <pikaro> GPenguin, nothing for some strange reason
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2124 [18:00:47] <TomTomTosch> pikaro: what is the exact command you used and what's the output?
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2126 [18:02:45] <pikaro> replaced-url
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2130 [18:03:46] <pikaro> I'm on sid btw, but the newest package is from stable so it shouldn't matter much
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2134 [18:04:28] <tomcres> ah. this is a known problem with the libpng12-0 package from jessie on stretch/sid. the wheezy version will work.
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2139 [18:05:44] <tomcres> I ran into this a few weeks ago trying to install libpng12 as a dependency for a Canon printer driver on stretch
2140 [18:05:53] <pikaro> awesome, that worked, thanks! what causes the weird output?
2141 [18:06:29] <tomcres> pikaro, it has something to do with the way the package is tarred up internally
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2143 [18:07:09] <pikaro> alright - well, the main thing is I have it now :)
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2148 [18:09:46] <ElDiabolo> Hi. How can a device vanish from lspci output. Any other explanation than hardware problems?
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2153 [18:14:03] <kamilboratynski> HI there. Small questionaire. Do you have dynamicDNS + DHCP server in your infrastructure?
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2158 [18:15:12] <nkuttler> !tell kamilboratynski about polls
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2163 [18:18:28] <enoch85> jklmnop1, thanks, will look into it
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2165 [18:18:37] <enoch85> jklmnop1, do you have any command laying around? :)
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2171 [18:20:53] <kamilboratynski> nkuttler: Thanks; so basically I have the following problem. I would like to fully automate VMware vCenter deployment with PXE installation in case of hostname and network addressing within Ansible. Having dynamic DNS and DHCP server, it is enough to automate DHCP + MAC assigment, but customer rejects this solution. I am looking for another solutions.
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2177 [18:24:53] <ElDiabolo> When upgrading to kernel 4.9 my second graphics card vanished from lspci. How can that happen?
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2181 [18:26:27] <volter> Anything in dmesg?
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2186 [18:28:45] <ElDiabolo> volter: At least nothing related to nvidia (there are two nvidia cards and one is gone from lspci).
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2192 [18:30:59] <volter> No idea then
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2196 [18:33:26] <ElDiabolo> volter, I think I'll open the case, remove it and put it back in. Maybe it has nothing to do with 4.9.
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2198 [18:36:13] <jhutchins> ElDiabolo: The rather obvious test is to boot to something other than 4.9
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2200 [18:36:33] <jhutchins> ,kernels
2201 [18:36:35] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.2-2); stretch: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.2-2); jessie-backports: 4.8.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.8.15-2~bpo8+2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-1)
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2204 [18:38:12] <awal1> sid newer than experimental?
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2206 [18:38:50] <awal1> how is that?
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2208 [18:39:39] <TomTomTosch> not every package goes through experimental.
2209 [18:39:58] <awal1> ok
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2213 [18:41:00] <hmuller> not a question, just a statement. I have always used apt-get, but after using aptitude to resolve dependencies for a specific backport, I now see aptitude's utility.
2214 [18:41:27] <ElDiabolo> Just opened the case, moved the card a bit. That helped.
2215 [18:41:39] <awal1> ,v wmii
2216 [18:41:41] <judd> Package: wmii on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.9.2+debian-4; jessie: 3.10~20120413+hg2813-8; stretch: 3.10~20120413+hg2813-11; sid: 3.10~20120413+hg2813-11
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2223 [18:53:49] <acu> Is Debian 9 (Stretch) going to be released with kernel 4.9 or 4.10 ?
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2228 [18:57:37] <acu> I have noticed tha initially Debian 9 was supposed to be released on kernel 4.10, but since 4.9 will be the official LTS - I wonder if the Debian will follow suit
2229 [18:57:41] <petn-randall> ,kernels
2230 [18:57:42] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.2-2); stretch: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.2-2); jessie-backports: 4.8.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.8.15-2~bpo8+2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-1)
2231 [18:57:52] <petn-randall> acu: See above. Very likely with 4.9.
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2236 [18:59:17] <acu> petn-randall, thanks - I know that stretch has 4.9 since the 4.10 is still in RC, but based on previous discussions and my understanding - the aim was to wait for next LTS kernel - thanks it seem that is time
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2238 [18:59:31] <acu> I wonder when stretch will enter freeze ?
2239 [18:59:44] <jrtc27> acu: replaced-url
2240 [18:59:48] <jrtc27> under "Ley release dates"
2241 [18:59:52] <jrtc27> *Key
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2243 [19:00:26] <edju> Where does kmail 4.1 store mail?
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2249 [19:03:21] <acu> jrtc27, thanks, that was useful - so Stretch soft freeze was in 5 Jan - full freeze 5Feb - thanks a bunch
2250 [19:03:32] <jrtc27> yep
2251 [19:03:34] <jrtc27> w
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2267 [19:09:48] <safsa> Does an update or changing i.e. dhcp file for a user affects another users like root?
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2271 [19:12:51] <Walex> safsa: that's a strange question: most configuration files apply to the whole system, not to specific users.
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2273 [19:13:41] <missmbob> edju: you were told yesterday. akonadi
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2340 [19:55:43] <egrain> do you have a package that hides the pid of other users?
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2344 [19:56:36] <egrain> i did apt-cache search hidepid but it didn't return anything.
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2346 [19:56:54] <jklmnop1> try check this?-> replaced-url
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2348 [19:57:23] <jklmnop1> replaced-url
2349 [19:57:39] <egrain> thanks so much.
2350 [19:57:46] <jklmnop1> :-)
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2352 [19:59:54] <GNUnymous_IRC> Hello.
2353 [20:00:04] <jklmnop1> Greetings
2354 [20:00:11] <GNUnymous_IRC> Is DRM removed in firefox in Debian package repository?
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2360 [20:00:45] <GNUnymous_IRC> I accidentally leaved this channel.
2361 [20:00:58] <GNUnymous_IRC> Is DRM removed in firefox in Debian package repository?
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2365 [20:01:34] <jklmnop1> sorry to say I don't even know what DRM is, I think.. not totally sure where to verify whether it'd have been removed from the Deb pkg repo either really..hmh.
2366 [20:01:37] <GNUnymous_IRC> I want to use Debian GNU/Hurd.
2367 [20:02:01] <GNUnymous_IRC> jklmnop1: DRM is Digital Restrictions Management.
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2370 [20:02:10] <sypher> s/Restrictions/Rights/
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2372 [20:02:49] <GNUnymous_IRC> What is "s/something/something"?
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2374 [20:03:10] <jrtc27> s/a/b means replace a with b
2375 [20:03:10] <GNUnymous_IRC> *s/something/something/
2376 [20:03:15] <jrtc27> it's the syntax for sed
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2379 [20:04:42] <GNUnymous_IRC> Is DRM removed from Firefox in GNU/Hurd?
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2388 [20:06:54] <sypher> I don't believe that Debian modifies Firefox from upstream, but some DRM modules are binary blobs that may or may not be convertible across kernel architectures.
2389 [20:07:07] <sypher> That's my educated way of saying "dunno, try it and see."
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2392 [20:07:40] <GNUnymous_IRC> Ok. I need to check source package.
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2394 [20:08:23] <GNUnymous_IRC> No source package. :(
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2399 [20:09:42] <it0> /j vim
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2411 [20:14:39] <jelly> GNUnymous_IRC: what do you mean no source package?
2412 [20:14:41] <GNUnymous_IRC> Where I can download source package for firefox_45.0.2-1+hurd.1_hurd-i386.deb?
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2420 [20:16:10] <jelly> GNUnymous_IRC: same repos you can download the binary .deb from
2421 [20:16:12] <jelly> !deb-src
2422 [20:16:12] <dpkg> You can have apt download the <source package> from which a <binary package> was compiled using a "deb-src" line in your <sources.list>. A line like "deb-src replaced-url
2423 [20:17:03] <jelly> GNUnymous_IRC: replaced-url
2424 [20:17:29] <GNUnymous_IRC> Where I can get latest Debian GNU/Hurd?
2425 [20:18:03] <jklmnop1> try this?-> replaced-url
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2430 [20:18:53] <jklmnop1> (I searched the name of what you were seeking ("firefox_45.0.2-1+hurd.1_hurd-i386") on replaced-url
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2433 [20:19:18] <GNUnymous_IRC> I want GNU/Hurd iso.
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2438 [20:19:55] <jklmnop1> iso,huh.. sorry, major n00b to linux in general I'm afraid.. not really sure what that even means..hmh... some more details and maybe I could try help ya find it still though, if you'd want
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2441 [20:20:13] <jelly> GNUnymous_IRC: you can only get development snapshots, as it never got stable enough to be a supported platform
2442 [20:20:37] <jelly> dpkg, tell GNUnymous_IRC about hurd
2443 [20:21:51] <jelly> GNUnymous_IRC: since it's a small port, it's probably best to ask in the subproject channel
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2445 [20:22:24] <jelly> or #hurd
2446 [20:23:26] <jelly> #hurd seems to have links to images in their topic
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2452 [20:31:09] <missmbob> i thought they changed working on that kernel in favor of gnu os with linux libre ?
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2454 [20:31:24] <missmbob> s/changed/stopped
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2459 [20:32:38] <somiaj> Sure there are some academics out there who still want to try to get hurd to work outside of theory...
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2465 [20:35:49] <zykotick9> missmbob: sidenote, gnu "officially" has two kernels.. hurd & linux-libre
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2475 [20:41:57] <Qantourisc> /etc/init.d/lighttpd start doesn't start, reports no errors
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2477 [20:42:04] <Qantourisc> yet doesn't start
2478 [20:42:19] <Qantourisc> restart is also broken, an old lighttpd proccess can still be running
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2480 [20:42:57] <Qantourisc> isn't systemd suppost to detect failure to start ?
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2483 [20:44:56] <somiaj> what does systemctl status lighttpd say? Also these services check the file /etc/X11/default-display-manager and nicely exit if they aren't the default
2484 [20:45:14] <jelly> lighttpd != lightdm, somiaj
2485 [20:45:32] <somiaj> oh duh....I still need to wake up.
2486 [20:45:38] <jelly> (ignore the Also part, Qantourisc)
2487 [20:47:02] <Qantourisc> mainly puzzeled how a init system can be so weird, sometimes it reports failures, sometimes it ignores it
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2492 [20:52:58] <somiaj> Qantourisc: I have found systemd to be nice once I figured out where to look for information.
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2495 [20:53:20] <Qantourisc> somiaj: can find my info, i'm just puzzled how start/restart gives no errors
2496 [20:53:35] <somiaj> did you look at systemctl status lighthttpd
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2499 [20:54:23] <Qantourisc> somiaj: well I know where to get the error messages
2500 [20:54:30] <jelly> Qantourisc: start and restart with systemd do not wait for an exit status, they're just asynchronous commands asking something to do some stuff
2501 [20:54:34] <nickgaw> Hi, I liked pine but have been using alpine but think that package is no longer being developt is there another renamed version that is still getting work done on it?
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2503 [20:55:18] <Qantourisc> jelly: ow, start and prey, thanks /me gets used to running /etc/init.d/service <> && ps -aux | grep service
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2506 [20:56:31] <Qantourisc> differnt question: I need a single packge from testing, just added testing, but this became slow, my PC just to small (it's a VM) or shouldn't I have done that ?
2507 [20:56:44] <somiaj> you don't want to install packages from testing in stable, make a backport
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2509 [20:56:53] <jelly> Qantourisc: do NOT do that
2510 [20:57:03] <Qantourisc> jelly: feared as much
2511 [20:57:15] <jelly> if stuff got installed already, reimage
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2514 [20:57:53] <jelly> if you have an installation of debian, only use repos made for that specific release
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2516 [20:59:12] <Qantourisc> jelly: also sounds quite drastic to reimage if you installed 1 package that is non-essential :p
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2519 [20:59:46] <jelly> Qantourisc: not at all. That one package may have pulled in dependencies galore and replaced important components
2520 [20:59:58] <Qantourisc> jelly: the it's not 1 package
2521 [21:00:08] <jelly> what
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2523 [21:00:25] <Qantourisc> jelly: then one installed more then 1 package if it pulled in deps
2524 [21:00:40] <Qantourisc> (deps pulled in I consider extra package installed)
2525 [21:00:51] <Qantourisc> then again, I doubt it's going to be possible to do that without pulling in deps
2526 [21:01:02] <jelly> you think users look at what apt does when they do "apt-get install onepackage" ?
2527 [21:01:13] <Aebian> I accidebtly forgot the new in front of my tmux session. Now I have the session but I'm not sure how to access it because tmux a -t is not working. Is there a way to attach to an session using the pid? Currently it looks like this: replaced-url
2528 [21:01:14] <Qantourisc> I do :p
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2531 [21:01:30] <jelly> Qantourisc: good job!
2532 [21:01:35] <Qantourisc> :p
2533 [21:01:58] <jelly> (in general, don't do it again)
2534 [21:02:05] <nickgaw> What is the best process for making a full image backup of Debian stable so if something breaks I can just reimage and it would be as if the problem never happened?
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2536 [21:02:22] <Qantourisc> jelly: ow don't worry the machine was to slow to even resolve it in a reasonable timespan :D
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2538 [21:02:24] <jelly> nickgaw: a snapshot of that VM?
2539 [21:02:26] <Qantourisc> jelly: thy
2540 [21:02:28] <Qantourisc> *ty
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2544 [21:02:56] <nickgaw> I am using a physical system not a virtual machine.
2545 [21:03:09] <jelly> then you can't use the best process
2546 [21:03:17] <Qantourisc> nickgaw: single FS on brtfs -> btrfs snapshot
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2548 [21:03:29] <Qantourisc> nickgaw: single FS on non-snapshot capable fs -> no best way
2549 [21:03:33] <nickgaw> I am using ext4 single partition.
2550 [21:04:00] <jelly> not even LVM?
2551 [21:04:02] <Qantourisc> nickgaw: then you should shutdown, to copy if you want to things correctly
2552 [21:04:43] <nickgaw> What imaging programs exist for Linux that run in a text console like from a live disc?
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2555 [21:06:17] * Qantourisc uses systemrescuecd + cat /dev/sda > /some/storage.img mainly, if I want a safe backup and easy to restore, altough that is slow
2556 [21:06:19] <jelly> ,v alpine
2557 [21:06:20] <judd> Package: alpine on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.02+dfsg-2; jessie: 2.11+dfsg1-3; stretch: 2.20+dfsg1-7; sid: 2.20+dfsg1-7
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2560 [21:06:42] <Varegotch> Hi!
2561 [21:07:20] <nickgaw> There is no such thing as an image program like the old ghost for linux?
2562 [21:07:36] <jklmnop1> Good evening Varegotch
2563 [21:07:43] <jelly> nickgaw: it looks like alpine is still being maintained, 2.11 and 2.20 come from replaced-url
2564 [21:07:45] <Qantourisc> nickgaw: yes, don't recall the name
2565 [21:07:49] <missmbob> !clonezilla
2566 [21:07:49] <dpkg> Clonezilla Live is a live CD based on Debian, providing disk/partition cloning functionality similar to Symantec Ghost. Basically a front-end to <partimage>, <partclone>, <ntfsclone>, sfdisk and others. replaced-url
2567 [21:08:21] <jelly> has anyone actually used clonezilla and can attest it's stable and works well?
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2569 [21:08:39] <missmbob> not for 10 years
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2572 [21:08:58] <nickgaw> That sounds like what I am looking for
2573 [21:08:59] <jelly> if it takes 10 yeas to do something with it...
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2579 [21:10:43] <nickgaw> Are there pay program that do the same thing as clonezilla and that are still being maintained?
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2581 [21:11:12] <somiaj> nickgaw: what is your goal? Sometimes coppying the data on the file system is more efficent than cloning the whole partition/disk
2582 [21:11:27] <somiaj> plus gives you a bit more freedom in recovery.
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2584 [21:11:53] <nickgaw> making it into an image that if I break the system I can go back to that image that is compressed to save space on a hard drive or a set of DVD discs.
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2588 [21:12:51] <awal1> how to make i3 use two keys for the modifier?
2589 [21:12:58] <missmbob> nickgaw: for "pay" tools easeus does cloning
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2596 [21:16:46] <Heston> is /var/log/messages wiped every week?
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2603 [21:18:13] * zykotick9 thinks drive-partition imaging as a backup strategy is a huge waste of space... ymmv backup data-files/config-files IMO
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2605 [21:18:48] <Varegotch> Hi!
2606 [21:18:53] <Varegotch> I need help... UWU
2607 [21:19:10] <nickgaw> Would e2image work?
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2609 [21:20:05] <Varegotch> eh? x.x
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2628 [21:22:57] <zykotick9> vaktpost: if you have a question (about debian) you should ask it.
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2693 [21:46:57] <Plushwolf> Hey
2694 [21:47:16] <Plushwolf> I'd like to try Xen in Stretch, but I'm getting a error when I want to create a new machine
2695 [21:47:19] <Plushwolf> unsupported configuration: emulator '/usr/lib/xen-4.8/bin/qemu-system-i386' not found»
2696 [21:47:23] <Plushwolf> What can I do?
2697 [21:47:30] <sypher> !testing
2698 [21:47:31] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See replaced-url
2699 [21:47:52] <sypher> In short, your source for stretch-related stuff is #debian-next on the OFTC network.
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2701 [21:48:25] <jelly> Plushwolf: is qemu-system-x86 package installed?
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2705 [21:49:51] <Plushwolf> jelly: Yes
2706 [21:50:13] <jelly> did you check the BTS?
2707 [21:50:23] <Plushwolf> BTS?
2708 [21:50:29] <jelly> !bts
2709 [21:50:29] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, replaced-url
2710 [21:50:34] <Plushwolf> no
2711 [21:51:15] <jelly> Plushwolf: when you're on testing, you're supposed to check for already reported bugs
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2753 [22:06:13] <James123> Hello! I am going to make my first ssd installation and I would like your opinion on the partitioning scheme and the filesystem. I was thinking to place /home /var swap on an HDD and /boot / on the ssd and use ext4. Thank you!
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2759 [22:09:07] <frostschutz> James123, that's fine if the SSD is only 16GB large
2760 [22:09:34] <James123> frostschutz, it is 256GB
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2763 [22:11:19] <frostschutz> James123, put everything on SSD. otherwise there's no point to it
2764 [22:12:03] <frostschutz> James123, HDD is for movies, anything that's big, clunky and does not benefit from ssd speeds
2765 [22:12:15] <James123> Even /var which performs many writes?
2766 [22:12:24] <frostschutz> SSDs are fine with many writes
2767 [22:12:48] <James123> Ok, thanks! Is ext4 ok as a filesystem?
2768 [22:13:26] <frostschutz> sure
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2890 [23:17:38] <RickHull> Hi, I am trying to figure out why hexchat opens links in firefox, when /etc/alternatives/x-replaced-url
2891 [23:18:05] <RickHull> i've gone through the hexchat config menus
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2894 [23:20:32] <jolt> Maybe you window manager has its own config for that?
2895 [23:20:41] <jolt> RickHull: ^
2896 [23:20:42] <RickHull> using openbox
2897 [23:20:55] <RickHull> so far, setting x-replaced-url
2898 [23:21:11] <RickHull> let me check the openbox configs, thx
2899 [23:21:16] <jolt> RickHull: xdg-mime default firefox text/html ?
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2901 [23:21:30] <jolt> or whatever browser you want there
2902 [23:21:37] <[jasper]> hej guys, what's up with the weird s / S in file permissions....setting 0755 on a fle also gives it s ...
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2905 [23:21:52] <[jasper]> how can I just assign drwxr-xr-x recurisvely to a directory?
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2907 [23:22:18] <RickHull> aha! thanks jolt; xdg-mime query default text/html #=> iceweasel.desktop
2908 [23:22:25] <jolt> awesum
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2911 [23:22:36] <RickHull> can I set this permanently (survive reboot)?
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2914 [23:23:30] <RickHull> also my gnome-replaced-url
2915 [23:23:45] <jolt> [jasper]: there is something called setuid, which is good for when you have multuple users on the box that should inherit files they create. You can google that if you want more info about the sS. Otherwise you can do "find /path -type d -exec chmod 0755 {} \;" to change all directories to 755
2916 [23:24:00] <jolt> RickHull: I assume that is per user and would survive reboots
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2918 [23:24:21] <jolt> [jasper]: but please dont do it on system dirs
2919 [23:24:38] <jolt> [jasper]: as those has lots of custom permission for the system to work
2920 [23:24:59] <[jasper]> jolt, actually assigning 0755 still hands out sticky bit?
2921 [23:25:13] <jolt> [jasper]: it's the parent dir that does that
2922 [23:25:16] <RickHull> jolt, oh hm, I was root when I ran the xdg-mime query. funnily as my user, it returns wine-extension-htm.desktop
2923 [23:25:28] <RickHull> i'm not sure that's what's triggering hexchat's URL handler
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2926 [23:25:48] <jolt> RickHull: probably a nice mix of precedence in that. if you do export BROWSER='something' it might override all of it.
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2928 [23:26:13] <jolt> RickHull: I would guess it depends on the framework of it, or its own config file
2929 [23:26:37] <RickHull> i'm guessing it's somewhere in the system or user xml for openbox
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2931 [23:26:48] <RickHull> thx for the info, digging
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2933 [23:27:14] <somiaj> RickHull: it might be done via xdg-open
2934 [23:27:49] <jolt> somiaj: That is why I told him about xdg-mime default :)
2935 [23:27:58] <jolt> Well, time to sleep here, good night!
2936 [23:28:07] <RickHull> not seeing firefox or iceweasel in any openbox configs :(
2937 [23:28:36] <RickHull> aha! xdg-open uses firefox
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2939 [23:29:12] <RickHull> shouldn't it use the value of x-replaced-url
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2941 [23:29:32] <somiaj> RickHull: it is set via .desktop files
2942 [23:29:41] <RickHull> where can I look?
2943 [23:29:48] <somiaj> RickHull: man xdg-open
2944 [23:30:17] <somiaj> though jolt suggestion of xdg-mime will set it
2945 [23:30:18] <RickHull> how does it know the default browser?
2946 [23:30:36] <RickHull> my xdg-mime text/html is some wine thing
2947 [23:30:41] <RickHull> so i don't think that controls it
2948 [23:30:48] <somiaj> there is a default-browser setting
2949 [23:31:38] <RickHull> nothing about that in man xdg-open or xdg-mime
2950 [23:32:06] <somiaj> one second, I haev to look it up. I rarely use these tools
2951 [23:32:18] <RickHull> no worries, any help is appreciated
2952 [23:32:27] <RickHull> i just don't know where to look to find this setting
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2954 [23:32:47] <RickHull> there is a xdg-settings program...
2955 [23:33:08] <RickHull> ok, i'm making some headway :)
2956 [23:33:12] <somiaj> xdg-settings get default-web-browser
2957 [23:33:18] <somiaj> and set to point it at a .desktop file
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2959 [23:34:07] <RickHull> ah, i guess the .desktop specification prevents an easy hookup to /etc/alternatives
2960 [23:34:13] <RickHull> le sigh
2961 [23:34:15] <RickHull> thanks!
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2964 [23:34:48] <somiaj> yea xdg is all about .desktop files since that is the specification it sues
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2967 [23:35:07] <RickHull> i think there could "easily" be a shim to help the defaults
2968 [23:35:24] <RickHull> in a perfect world
2969 [23:36:03] <somiaj> sure, but then you run into two seperate systems, the alternative system was a debian thing before xdg started to unify things. Desktops and desktop applications more often than not are sticking to this open standard that is distro independent
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2971 [23:36:23] <somiaj> the old debian menu system has been depricated in favor of the xdg menus for instance
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2973 [23:36:48] <it0> good nigth everyone
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2975 [23:36:56] <RickHull> yeah, it's definitely not easy, or even necessarily a good or tractable idea
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2979 [23:37:55] <somiaj> RickHull: so unforntually not everything is modified to use the altnerative system.
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2981 [23:38:38] <RickHull> yeah, and I'm sure it's a big maintenance burden to try to patch everything
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2987 [23:41:00] <RickHull> it's not clear whether xdg-settings will persist
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2989 [23:41:17] <RickHull> i assume it must read and write to a file on the filesystem in order to do so. which one?
2990 [23:42:15] <RickHull> i'm used to the model where you can make temp changes via commands, but you have to edit a file for persistence. where commands make persistent changes, it should be made obvious
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2994 [23:43:18] <somiaj> RickHull: it will unless you wipe out the config file in $HOME for that user
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2998 [23:43:51] <RickHull> i grepped all the config files i know about in $HOME and /etc for iceweasel and can't find it
2999 [23:44:09] <RickHull> but i probably just haven't looked in the right spot yet
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3002 [23:44:36] <somiaj> RickHull: .local or .share somethign like that
3003 [23:44:49] <somiaj> RickHull: grr, .config
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3005 [23:44:54] <noober> test
3006 [23:44:59] <RickHull> yeah i'm in ~/.config poking around now
3007 [23:45:07] <somiaj> RickHull: anyways if you read the xdg specifications it should tell you where things should be located.
3008 [23:45:16] <pingfloyd> RickHull: replaced-url
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3010 [23:45:31] <RickHull> it would be nice if `man xdg-settings` deigned to mention it ;)
3011 [23:46:01] <noober> Hi guys, I dd the nonfree iso file to usb, when boot from usb, the underscore cursor keeps blinking, anybody want to help me troubleshoot this issue?
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3013 [23:46:13] <RickHull> pingfloyd, thanks. i know about most of these. reviewing in depth
3014 [23:46:25] <pingfloyd> RickHull: also this is handy replaced-url
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3017 [23:47:21] <RickHull> hm, nothing interesting in `set | grep XDG`
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3020 [23:47:26] <pingfloyd> so if for instance, you wanted to have alternatives in control, in your .desktop file you'd reference the alternative for the Exec=
3021 [23:47:38] <somiaj> noober: what was the exact dd command you typed out
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3024 [23:48:16] <RickHull> pingfloyd, you're suggesting to edit a certain .desktop file?
3025 [23:48:33] <noober> somiaj: thank you for reply! command: sudo dd bs=4M if=Downloads/firmware-8.7.1-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb1
3026 [23:48:34] <RickHull> i was thinking i needed to point xdg to a different desktop file (i.e. chromium.desktop)
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3028 [23:48:49] <pingfloyd> one sec, i'll give you an example
3029 [23:48:50] <RickHull> and i'm trying to find why and where it points to iceweasel
3030 [23:49:00] <somiaj> noober: the image is a full disk image, not a partition. of=/dev/sdb
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3032 [23:50:08] <somiaj> RickHull: no but you could make your own desktop file replaced-url
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3035 [23:50:37] <noober> somiaj: so it has to be as "of=/dev/sdb" instead of "of ...sdb1" is that right? :)
3036 [23:51:05] <pingfloyd> RickHull: like see ~/.config/mimeapps.list
3037 [23:51:39] <pingfloyd> in there you'll see a bunch of references to .desktop files
3038 [23:51:42] <RickHull> yep
3039 [23:51:48] <somiaj> noober: correct, the image has boot info and a partition table inside of it, so you put it on the device so it writes all the boot and partition info on the device
3040 [23:51:51] <RickHull> none of which show up in xdg-settings --list
3041 [23:52:02] <RickHull> but i guess they are subproperties of the default-url-scheme thingie
3042 [23:52:03] <zykotick9> noober: additionally, you could use cp (it has easier syntax here) instead of dd "sudo cp firmware-8.7.1-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb"
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3044 [23:52:11] <noober> somiaj: thank you very much, im going to give it a new try
3045 [23:52:17] <noober> clear
3046 [23:52:20] <noober> sorry
3047 [23:52:25] <pingfloyd> that .desktop file is likely in ~/.local/share/applications/
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3049 [23:52:45] <RickHull> i'm looking for the file that points to iceweasel.desktop
3050 [23:52:56] <RickHull> don't care to much for where iceweasel.desktop lives
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3056 [23:53:51] <pingfloyd> so you could edit the referenced .desktop file so the Exec= line references /etc/alternatives/x-replaced-url
3057 [23:54:18] <RickHull> eh, not gonna do that if it's named iceweasel.desktop :)
3058 [23:54:26] <pingfloyd> then it will be controlled by alternatives instead of the selections in the DE
3059 [23:54:42] <RickHull> i think there should be a x-replaced-url
3060 [23:54:48] <RickHull> and the default on debian should point to it
3061 [23:55:01] <pingfloyd> you could do that, but then you have to make mimeapps.list point to it
3062 [23:55:22] <pingfloyd> you could create a new .desktop file under ~/.local/share/applications/ and then in your DE select that one
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3064 [23:55:45] <RickHull> i'm still having trouble finding the file that persists the setting
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3070 [23:57:28] <RickHull> it's not in /etc/xdg or ~/.config via find xargs grep
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3076 [23:59:42] <somiaj> RickHull: it just changes the mime type for text/html located int he file you were pointed at
3077 [23:59:58] <somiaj> RickHull: at least that is what it does here, ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list
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