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0 [00:00:01] <jelly> !wheezy-lts
1 [00:00:01] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See replaced-url
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3 [00:00:59] <tw> awal1: it doesn't always know. yt's interface will often not give you filesizes for all stream types. from mucking around in the source, it doesn't know until it starts pulling what the expected size will be.
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8 [00:01:44] <Heston> Jelly, what does that even mean though. It does have support from the debian security team but it does have support through LTS
9 [00:01:56] <Heston> it doesnt*
10 [00:02:06] <jelly> Heston: your OS version is on LTS support. LTS team is separate from Debian Security Team, prioritizes some packages over others. This can't be default because LTS did not even exist when wheezy got released.
11 [00:02:26] <jelly> yeah, pretty much
12 [00:02:54] <awal1> tw, so if I start downloading I may be out of disk space say at file 600, ehm? (all the files have like 1 hour duration )
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17 [00:03:19] <awal1> I mean at any time I may be out of disk space
18 [00:03:22] <tw> The good news is if you restart, youtube-dl will figure out which ones you already have and not re-download them.
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20 [00:03:47] <awal1> yeah, I know that
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22 [00:04:07] <tw> But yes, it doesn't know until it starts pulling a specific stream how big the filesize is.
23 [00:04:21] <awal1> ok, thanks
24 [00:04:42] <jelly> Heston: so you really ought to read LTS docs, replaced-url
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27 [00:05:47] <Heston> jelly, ill check it out, thanks
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30 [00:07:18] <jelly> Heston: of course the best thing to do is a wheezy->jessie release upgrade if possible
31 [00:07:35] <Heston> jelly, I needed the older kernel
32 [00:07:54] <jelly> for... reasons?
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36 [00:08:24] <Heston> troubleshooting a hard lockup
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66 [00:19:04] <nreville> what's wrong with this subnet declaration?: subnet 192.168.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {range 192.168.2.0 192.168.2.255;option routers 192.168.2.1;}
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74 [00:21:44] <tw> as I recall, isc-dhcp-server uses cidr notation. 192.168.2.0/24
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76 [00:22:40] <tw> but it's logout time for me, good luck.
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79 [00:24:42] <nreville> hm wiki says otherwise
80 [00:25:02] <nreville> jesus I just wanna get dhcp working :/
81 [00:25:30] <jelly> you don't want the dhcp range to pick .0 or .255 or the router's own address do you
82 [00:25:33] <tw> change the range to go from .2 to .253
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99 [00:30:03] <nreville> jelly: tw: still getting failed error, No subnet declaration for eth0 (no IPv4 addresses)
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108 [00:36:22] <jelly> nreville: and you have eth0 in /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server INTERFACES= ?
109 [00:37:05] <nreville> INTERFACES="eth0" yep
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111 [00:37:37] <jelly> nreville: and eth0 has an IP configured and up in 192.168.2.0/24 segment?
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113 [00:38:02] <S3XU4Lharassment> Hi. I am here to sexually harass people.
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117 [00:38:22] <nreville> wew^
118 [00:38:29] <nreville> eh, how do I check jelly?
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120 [00:38:57] <jelly> nreville: "ip a" or "ifconfig eth0"
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122 [00:39:46] <nreville> hmm nope doesn't give ipv4 in eth0 anywhere
123 [00:39:53] <nreville> how do I set it up?
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136 [00:43:32] <jelly> nreville: pastebin the output of your "ip r" and "ip a" for a start, please
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138 [00:43:39] <jelly> use replaced-url
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158 [00:54:14] <nreville> jelly: replaced-url
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163 [00:56:01] <jelly> nreville: so, give eth0 an IP in that segment.
164 [00:56:05] <jelly> !interfaces
165 [00:56:05] <dpkg> Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. replaced-url
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171 [00:58:59] <awal1> How to force 'openbox' to use title bar for all apps as 'fvwm' does? some apps such as 'gmrun' and 'guake'don't get a title bar
172 [00:59:13] <awal1> almost for focus concern
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200 [01:17:17] <LiENUS> if i have an url for a debian repository is it possible to list all packages and versions available for those packages in the repo?
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205 [01:22:44] <jelly> LiENUS: yes it is. That's what apt does, downloads the package list(s) from each configured repo, you can find them in /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Packages after an apt-get update
206 [01:22:58] <awal1> LiENUS: ALL pkgs available in the repository?
207 [01:23:16] <LiENUS> awal1, there should only be 3 packages available in this particular repository
208 [01:24:02] <awal1> LiENUS, try with apt-cache policy `dpkg --get-selections`
209 [01:24:20] <awal1> add less for easy reading apt-cache policy `dpkg --get-selections` | less
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211 [01:24:52] <LiENUS> awal1, but how do i list just the packages on that repo?
212 [01:25:04] <awal1> it should work, but I dont know how to limit the research to a specific repo
213 [01:26:01] <awal1> well, that command only will list pkgs already installed
214 [01:26:11] <LiENUS> oh im looking for packages on the repo
215 [01:26:18] <LiENUS> im trying to archive any available older versions
216 [01:26:21] <awal1> hm, I misunderstood your question, so nvm :P
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218 [01:27:03] <missmbob> you're recreating snapshot.debian.org ?
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246 [01:41:54] <Anonrate> Does anyone know if Stretch supports AMD RX480? I have xserver-xor-video-amdgpu install, I also copied the polaris10_mc.bin from the kernel repo into /lib/firmware/amdgpu I then performed a restart and still do not have the option to change the resolution under System Settings>Dispaly and Monitor
247 [01:43:12] <missmbob> you should install the firmware-amd-graphics package
248 [01:43:18] <missmbob> ,i firmware-amd-graphics
249 [01:43:20] <judd> No package named 'firmware-amd-graphics' was found in jessie/amd64.
250 [01:43:27] <missmbob> well it IS in stretch
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252 [01:43:59] <Anonrate> I also did that. I forgot to mention that. Lol.
253 [01:44:49] <missmbob> dmesg |grep firmware
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255 [01:45:23] <missmbob> actually i've gotta go. sure someone will step in
256 [01:45:25] <LiENUS> missmbob, nah making a dockerfile with tags for older versions of a package
257 [01:46:31] <Anonrate> I get no output upon running that command.
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262 [01:48:50] <Anonrate> Is anyone able to take over help from missmbob?
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266 [01:51:51] <TomTomTo1> LiENUS: do you want packages or versions of one package? for example: aptitude search '?origin(Docker)' would list all packages from a repo with 'Docker' in the origin field of the release file, apt-cache policy docker-engine would give you all versions available in the listed repos for the package docker-engine.
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270 [01:53:02] <n1b> Do you need to have Perl installed for Debian to work?
271 [01:53:24] <LiENUS> TomTomTo1, all packages and versions on a specific repository
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276 [01:55:13] <TomTomTo1> n1b: at least perl-base. a lot of tools for debian are written in perl.
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284 [01:56:25] <kiki`> hi..how is it a port is still in use after i killed the process using it?
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288 [01:58:03] <kiki`> or better: how can i "free it up"
289 [01:58:44] <petemc> lsof -i :NN
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294 [02:00:27] <kiki`> nice.. gives me a list right. welly well
295 [02:00:45] <kiki`> now could it be killing the process is not sufficient to free that port?
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301 [02:01:26] <petemc> if you see processes listed in lsof output it's not killed
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307 [02:06:45] <kiki`> erm when i start a prog with nohup prog & prog2 .. then prog2 will start immediately ..eventually without prog having started to listen ..right?
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313 [02:10:07] <LiENUS> hmm is there a way to install a .deb from command line and have dependencies pulled via apt?
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319 [02:14:14] <klys> Li
320 [02:14:38] <klys> LiENUS, dpkg -iGREB file.deb; apt-get -f install
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323 [02:15:17] <LiENUS> klys, the problem with that is dpkg -i generates an error which kills the docker build
324 [02:16:03] <missmbob> LiENUS: dpkg-checkdeps is what you want to use
325 [02:16:29] <LiENUS> missmbob, command not found?
326 [02:17:30] <klys> apt-get install ruby-debian; man dpkg-checkdeps
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331 [02:20:59] <LiENUS> seems to be broken, just gives me errors
332 [02:21:06] <LiENUS> can't modify frozen string
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334 [02:22:14] <missmbob> i dont think it is broken. docker just does stupid shit sometimes. or your package is broken
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336 [02:22:54] <LiENUS> so theres no way to just feed apt-get a deb file directly?
337 [02:23:29] <missmbob> no. that's why we have dpkg or other tools
338 [02:23:56] <LiENUS> dpkg doesnt do dependencies though
339 [02:23:56] <dpkg> i haven't a clue, LiENUS
340 [02:24:14] <LiENUS> so... they're not exactly the same thing
341 [02:24:41] <missmbob> dpkg-andfriends. there.
342 [02:25:22] <LiENUS> theres a dpkg tool to pull and install dependencies from apt?
343 [02:25:26] <LiENUS> that makes no sense
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345 [02:26:42] <missmbob> i just reread what you said. could it be you're looking for gdebi?
346 [02:26:46] <missmbob> ,i gdebi
347 [02:26:47] <judd> Package gdebi (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: simple tool to view and install deb files - GNOME GUI. Version: 0.9.5.5+nmu1; Size: 39.2k; Installed: 141k; Screenshot: replaced-url
348 [02:27:01] <missmbob> there's a commond line version. dont have to use gui
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350 [02:27:07] <missmbob> command*
351 [02:27:26] <missmbob> ,i gdebi-core
352 [02:27:27] <judd> Package gdebi-core (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: simple tool to install deb files. Version: 0.9.5.5+nmu1; Size: 130.9k; Installed: 726k
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355 [02:28:04] <missmbob> gdebi foo.deb
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359 [02:32:09] <LiENUS> that looks like it will work
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361 [02:34:30] <kiki`> thx petemc
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363 [02:36:07] <LiENUS> thank you missmbob testing build now but it looks like its working
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375 [02:45:57] <Maxdamantus> Is there meant to be a semi-clean way to disable apt running update-grub?
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377 [02:47:55] <missmbob> LiENUS: you're welcome
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379 [02:48:20] <Maxdamantus> I modified /etc/kernel/{postrm,rm}.d/zz-update-grub a while ago, but when one of those files changed in the grub package, it added a second file with the ".provided" suffix or whatever it is, so that got executed instead.
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383 [02:48:51] <nO0b> Maxdamantus, ' # apt-mark hold grub'
384 [02:49:01] * Maxdamantus just uses a 10-line (including two empty lines) manually written grub.cfg
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390 [02:49:50] <Maxdamantus> nO0b: wouldn'at that prevent grub itself from being updated? That's not what I want.
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392 [02:50:16] <Maxdamantus> update-grub is some collection of scripts that generate (and overwrite) /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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394 [02:51:15] <nO0b> ah, i c. misinterpreted then
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400 [02:53:22] <Maxdamantus> when I said ".provided" I think I meant ".dpkg-dist"
401 [02:54:57] <kiki`> is there any simple alternative to starting a program with nohup to avoid it beeing killed when terminal is closed? for some reason my node repl server doesnt work when starting with nohup .. its socket based.. but i can imagine nohup surpresses that in-stream thats why
402 [02:55:32] <missmbob> kiki`: you could use screen or tmux
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405 [02:56:38] <kiki`> missmbob: yes been there and used screen.. but my sysadmin messed up the config and i cant do anything about it
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407 [02:56:58] <kiki`> anything else? like nohup but not ignoring input or sth?
408 [02:57:01] <missmbob> use tmux
409 [02:57:14] <kiki`> do i need root access?
410 [02:57:27] <kiki`> since i dont
411 [02:57:29] <missmbob> call your admin and have him fix his shit
412 [02:57:30] <stdqqq> when I start gnu screen, sometimes in situation where there would be the damn console bell, instead the gnu screen hangs for like 5-10 SECONDS and then flashes like a piece of crap
413 [02:57:32] <missmbob> to use? no
414 [02:57:33] <stdqqq> how to disable that?
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416 [02:58:38] <nO0b> stdqqq, thats in ur term i guess - see its man for visual bell
417 [02:59:00] <kiki`> so how could a program do something on unix i cant do via shell
418 [03:00:26] <missmbob> i stopped listening. you said "avoid it beeing killed when terminal is closed". i said screen or tmux. you said yes screen was great then your admin fucked it up. was screen not great?
419 [03:00:41] <stdqqq> it's 2017. I really wish debian would have a one simple big option like "fuck you bell / visuall bell, f- you you damn piece of garbage from 80 years ago"
420 [03:00:53] <stdqqq> it's always such a source of dread
421 [03:01:05] * missmbob off to dinner
422 [03:01:47] <kiki`> i mean .. how is linux like totally conceptuated for terminals but assume to close all running proggies when closing terminal by default
423 [03:02:17] <kiki`> and the only thingy to prevent it is start it nohup ..
424 [03:02:25] <stdqqq> kiki`: nohup yourprogram will start yourprogram in a way where it will ignore closing of terminal
425 [03:02:34] <stdqqq> yeah. what else it needs
426 [03:03:10] <kiki`> yes but nohup also "ignores input stream" causing my socket process in not to work
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428 [03:03:38] <kiki`> i guess it does.. since when i start it without nohup it works.. with nohup it doesnt
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430 [03:04:24] <missmbob> stdqqq: first thing i do on a new install is go here. i agree it's a piece of shit replaced-url
431 [03:04:27] <kiki`> missmbob: yes screen was ok
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436 [03:05:52] <kiki`> tmux --help would do sth if its installed?
437 [03:05:59] <kiki`> seems it isnt
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439 [03:06:13] <kiki`> you think i can install the binaries locally?
440 [03:06:40] <missmbob> you can remove the screen config if that's what's messed up with that . ~/.screenrc iirc
441 [03:07:20] <tw> `disown` for shells that have that command (bash).
442 [03:07:20] <kiki`> that would be my private screen config. if i had such, i would edit it.
443 [03:07:27] <tw> but you won't be able to get it back.
444 [03:08:04] <kiki`> tw @me?
445 [03:08:21] <kiki`> no need to gather it back at all .. that would be like nohup
446 [03:08:28] <kiki`> will try
447 [03:09:20] <tw> cmd </dev/null 2>&1 >logfile & ; disown
448 [03:09:27] <kiki`> sure it would be nice to get it back.. but since its a socket repl i should be able to login to it from any other terminal :)
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451 [03:11:23] <kiki`> disown wants a job.. so how to do that?
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454 [03:11:43] <kiki`> esm & disown?
455 [03:11:46] <missmbob> 20:09 < tw> cmd </dev/null 2>&1 >logfile & ; disown
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457 [03:12:08] <kiki`> so & disown
458 [03:12:18] <missmbob> i'd rather use his but sure
459 [03:12:20] <tw> not really, you need to have a job in a background.
460 [03:12:52] <tw> So the & pushes the job to the bg, after redirecting the console so it doesn't stall on IO.
461 [03:12:58] <kiki`> wouldnt & send to background
462 [03:13:01] <tw> Yes.
463 [03:13:05] <kiki`> k
464 [03:13:07] <kiki`> thanks
465 [03:13:14] <tw> then disown dumps it to be cared for by init
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471 [03:16:48] <tw> kiki`: you will likely get processes killed without doing the io redirection via SIGTTOU though, just warning you upfront.
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474 [03:17:31] * binaryc wrong chan sorry debian
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500 [03:39:08] <hanasaki> built a custom kernel with the following settings. setenforce permissive or disabled fails and it is still enabled even if set disabled in the config file and rebooted. why is this?
501 [03:39:08] <hanasaki> CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX=y
502 [03:39:08] <hanasaki> CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX_BOOTPARAM=y
503 [03:39:08] <hanasaki> CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX_BOOTPARAM_VALUE=1
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513 [03:42:16] <kiki`> tw: cmd </dev/null 2>&1 >logfile & ; disown // is cmd my command here?
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515 [03:42:27] <tw> yes
516 [03:42:35] <kiki`> ah
517 [03:42:52] <kiki`> im dying here
518 [03:43:02] <drm> I have set my JAVA_HOME in /etc/profile and 'source'd it, and I have also set it in /etc/environment and 'source'd it, and yet every time i exit my terminal and open it echoing $JAVA_HOME yields nothing, arent these two files suppose to set JAVA_HOME for all users?
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522 [03:44:57] <tw> drm: not all shells read /etc/profile. try /etc/bash.bashrc
523 [03:45:27] <kiki`> kiki`: you will likely get processes killed without doing the io redirection via SIGTTOU though, just warning you upfront. // i have no clue what you mean.. what do you suggest me to do?
524 [03:45:50] <tw> if you use the command I gave you, nothing.
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526 [03:45:59] <tw> It handles that case.
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528 [03:46:57] <kiki`> its part of a bash script.. should work anyway right?
529 [03:47:07] <tw> yes.
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531 [03:47:31] <kiki`> a final trial ..then im fed up for tonight
532 [03:47:33] <kiki`> thanks tw
533 [03:48:15] <drm> tw, but if i add it to bashrc isnt that just for my shell? what if i want other applications to be able to access java?
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536 [03:49:29] <missmbob> that's not a requirement to access java
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538 [03:49:59] <kiki`> tw: syntax error near semicolon ;
539 [03:50:27] <tw> kiki`: use two lines instead of semicolon.
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541 [03:50:46] <kiki`> tw: cmd </dev/null 2>&1 >logfile & -- disown like that?
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544 [03:51:16] <LiENUS> ok im trying to use jessie-backports i have "deb replaced-url
545 [03:51:28] <kiki`> tw: please.
546 [03:51:41] <tw> yes, disown on the next line.
547 [03:51:46] <LiENUS> i keep getting failed to fetch replaced-url
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549 [03:51:50] <LiENUS> wha
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551 [03:52:56] <tw> what's the debian way to pick the right jdk?
552 [03:52:58] <tw> set alternatives?
553 [03:53:04] <tw> might need to do that.
554 [03:53:08] <LiENUS> packages.gz exists but no packages
555 [03:53:13] <LiENUS> and apt is tryign to fetch packages
556 [03:53:39] <missmbob> LiENUS: apt-get clean fix it?
557 [03:54:00] <LiENUS> missmbob, this is a fresh install in docker
558 [03:54:44] <missmbob> i'm trying to clear the cache database i dont really care if you have downloaded packages
559 [03:54:51] <LiENUS> weird apt-get clean works
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561 [03:54:55] <missmbob> yay
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564 [03:55:19] <LiENUS> weird nothing should be on the drive
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566 [03:55:35] <missmbob> i know. i see it a lot. annoying.
567 [03:55:44] <kiki`> tw: houston, can u believe it, we're on the fucking moon, over.
568 [03:55:56] <kiki`> tw: thx droog
569 [03:56:34] <LiENUS> and up till like... an hour ago it worked without apt-get clean
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572 [03:57:10] <missmbob> LiENUS: just one of those things ...then you hope to not forget the trick next time
573 [03:57:40] <LiENUS> im putting it in the dockerfile and checking it into github
574 [03:58:00] <LiENUS> aaand this is weird
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576 [03:58:10] <LiENUS> the debian base image hasnt changed in 8 days
577 [03:58:27] <LiENUS> soo its not like they updated the base an hour ago and broke something, it just broke
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584 [04:02:14] <hanasaki> is this channel logged someplace? I just asked an selinux question and my system crashed so I did not see any responses. YOu can PM me also if you have a response. Thanks for the help!
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588 [04:02:41] <missmbob> hanasaki: no one saw all of it. you got kicked off for flodding the channel
589 [04:02:54] <missmbob> use paste.debian.net. dont flood
590 [04:03:52] <LiENUS> missmbob, welp i added an apt-get clean before the apt-get update call aaand wellp same issue
591 [04:04:41] <hanasaki> it was supposed to be one line. pasted here... thanks ! replaced-url
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593 [04:04:57] <missmbob> LiENUS: do shits add a / to /debian then try apt-get clean && apt-get update again
594 [04:05:08] <missmbob> LiENUS: for* shits
595 [04:05:20] <LiENUS> whacha mean add a /?
596 [04:05:23] <LiENUS> you mean a trailing /?
597 [04:05:27] <missmbob> i'm getting too tired. yeah
598 [04:05:50] <hanasaki> missmbob: thanks
599 [04:05:57] <LiENUS> well the worst part is i cant freaking reproduce it
600 [04:06:05] <cumbajohnny> what do you all prefer? ubuntu or centOS?
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602 [04:06:15] <missmbob> LiENUS: this is for mass distribution?
603 [04:06:20] <LiENUS> if i run all the way through checking it into github and going to the docker hub it errors
604 [04:06:31] <LiENUS> if i just create a debian:jessie instance it doesnt
605 [04:06:35] <missmbob> cumbajohnny: this is #debian please stay on topic
606 [04:06:57] <cumbajohnny> LOL
607 [04:07:01] <LiENUS> missmbob, its being built once on a system elsewhere
608 [04:07:09] <missmbob> LiENUS: because if so i wouldnt use httpredir
609 [04:07:12] <LiENUS> the final images after all the commands are run get distributed
610 [04:07:15] <missmbob> !httpredir issues
611 [04:07:15] <dpkg> The <httpredir> service selects bad mirrors for some people. If you're one of them, try explicitly choosing a mirror: "deb replaced-url
612 [04:07:39] <missmbob> LiENUS: it adds to the "mystery" problems. i'd use deb.debian.org
613 [04:07:41] <LiENUS> well i can see myself that packages is missing
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615 [04:08:08] <nauticalnexus> whoa
616 [04:08:13] <nauticalnexus> what does that mean
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618 [04:08:27] <missmbob> LiENUS: that's why i told you to add a trailing / - when i opened the link in my browser i got a 404. i added the / and it worked. because httpredir is weird as fuck
619 [04:08:28] <LiENUS> what the french one build succeeded one failed
620 [04:08:40] <LiENUS> trying deb.debian.org
621 [04:08:48] <missmbob> LiENUS: with a trailing / ?
622 [04:08:53] <LiENUS> without
623 [04:08:58] <missmbob> do with
624 [04:10:29] <somiaj> deb.debian.org requires a newer apt only in stretch+ i belive.
625 [04:10:45] <LiENUS> trying with trailing /
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629 [04:11:30] <LiENUS> somiaj, do i need to just use ftp.debian.org then?
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631 [04:12:04] <somiaj> use ftp.countrycode.debian.org if you want the old round robin redirector via dns
632 [04:12:15] <somiaj> or just use a specific mirror and don't use a redirector of any kinda
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635 [04:12:50] <LiENUS> im not even sure what country the build server is in
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637 [04:14:11] <LiENUS> in fact that may be why it suddenly appeared, i just paid for a paid docker hub account, and suddenly my builds started failing
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644 [04:18:20] <LiENUS> deb wqorked
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646 [04:18:37] <missmbob> yay
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648 [04:19:28] <CryptoSiD> Hi, I'm on Debian stretch and i'm unable to find the apache2 default page configuration file....
649 [04:19:48] <CryptoSiD> it's not in sites-enabled/available nor conf-enabled/available
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652 [04:21:38] <missmbob> /etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default.conf
653 [04:21:41] <missmbob> /etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default.conf
654 [04:21:50] <missmbob> sorry
655 [04:22:16] <CryptoSiD> root@Debian:/var/replaced-url
656 [04:22:16] <CryptoSiD> root@Debian:/var/replaced-url
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658 [04:22:33] <missmbob> well i dont know what you did
659 [04:22:52] <missmbob> !confmiss
660 [04:22:52] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
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662 [04:24:47] <hanasaki> hello. selinux configuration and enable / disable question : posted in replaced-url
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665 [04:25:38] <CryptoSiD> got it now thank missmbob
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683 [04:37:14] <drm> does anyone know of something that would clear out environment vars at some point in the debian login process? I have set the java_home in /etc/environment and sourced the file 100 times, but every time i log out and log in it no longer appears in 'env'. I have added java_home to /etc/profile, .bashrc, and .profile, but the problem is that I need a global java_home var for various applications, that do not rely on my shell config
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685 [04:39:18] <missmbob> if they're x apps they listen to /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc or /etc/xprofile
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692 [04:41:00] <drm> missmbob, I have installed scala, which installs to /usr/bin, on startup it has a script that looks for java_home, which doesnt exist there. I have put a script inside of /usr/bin that just echos java_home, and every time it echos nothing
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701 [04:45:08] <illEA55> Hello, how long does it take to get a reply from registration?
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730 [05:13:36] <HeXiLeD> i have the module i915 compiled and in the system but it stop loading. Manually : modprobe: FATAL: Module i195 not found
731 [05:13:49] <HeXiLeD> what are my options ?
732 [05:14:35] <AlexLikeRock> i915 , i remember are OLD and INTEL
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734 [05:14:59] <AlexLikeRock> intel they are fuse with kernel
735 [05:15:31] <HeXiLeD> this was working. just stopped
736 [05:16:52] <somiaj> what kernel is this?
737 [05:17:22] <musca> HeXiLeD: did type i195 or i915?
738 [05:17:36] <HeXiLeD> i915
739 [05:17:52] <n1b> uname -r
740 [05:17:53] <HeXiLeD> 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.39-1 (2016-12-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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743 [05:22:47] <pf100> i'm using i915 driver with 4.4.0-21-generic x64
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747 [05:24:47] <HeXiLeD> so i was with 3.16.0-4-amd64
748 [05:24:52] <missmbob> HeXiLeD: i dont want to imagine how you did that but an easy fix would be getting the jessie-backports kernel
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752 [05:25:19] <HeXiLeD> i will give a try. source ?
753 [05:25:38] <missmbob> HeXiLeD: replaced-url
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758 [05:28:34] <missmbob> HeXiLeD: so after you edited sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 and reboot
759 [05:29:13] <missmbob> careful attention to the "-t jessie-backports" section
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769 [05:32:16] <Wixy> I just asked about a partition I couldn't mount after GParted failed to move it. Now I can mount it and gparted shows the real used memory, but I don't see the files inside it. Also I can't create new files, it was mounted in read only mode it seems. What can I do?
770 [05:32:41] <Wixy> fstab says this: /dev/sda8 on /media/data type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,data=ordered,uhelper=udisks2)
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772 [05:32:58] <Wixy> and it was working fine previous to this problem
773 [05:33:08] <HeXiLeD> missmbob: did not work
774 [05:33:21] <HeXiLeD> I had this working so perfect....
775 [05:33:33] <missmbob> you already rebooted?
776 [05:34:09] <HeXiLeD> yes
777 [05:34:19] <missmbob> uname -r says what now
778 [05:34:22] <HeXiLeD> 4.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
779 [05:35:06] <missmbob> that is some fuckaroo magic. congratulations.
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781 [05:36:23] <Raineer> lol
782 [05:36:48] <HeXiLeD> yup and no clue why
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793 [05:42:50] <Wixy> ok, I got it. all the data is in a lost+found dir. but I still can move it because the partition is mounted in read only mode
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795 [05:43:04] <Wixy> why is that? fstab says it should be "rw"
796 [05:43:27] <somiaj> it will get mounted read-only on errors
797 [05:43:36] <somiaj> well that could explain it
798 [05:43:38] <tomcres> Wixy: you likely have errors in the filesystem and need to run fsck
799 [05:43:51] <Wixy> I already run fsck
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801 [05:44:11] <Wixy> that's all it says
802 [05:44:42] <Wixy> [ 1492.684322] EXT4-fs (sda8): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: data=ordered
803 [05:44:47] <Wixy> dmesg shows nothing wrong ^
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805 [05:45:12] <HeXiLeD> guys... was because acpi was disabled at kernel boot
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807 [05:45:25] <HeXiLeD> i needed acpi-off
808 [05:45:30] <doubletwist> So what's the *easiest* solution to do something like kickstart for debian and debian-based distros?
809 [05:45:56] <Wixy> any other idea?
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825 [05:54:13] <Wixy> :/
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831 [05:58:02] <oblio> hayoo, so my apt is broke. :-( apt-get update produces "Couldn't execute /usr/bin/apt-key to check" for each source line. anyone know how to throw apt into debug mode?
832 [05:58:05] <oblio> apt-get runs fine
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848 [06:10:01] <x_> hey guys
849 [06:10:12] <klys> hi
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902 [06:52:55] <oblio> so my apt-get update has stopped working because for some reason apt-key wont run as the _apt user, anyone have any thoughts on this?
903 [06:53:07] <oblio> if i try to sudo and run apt-key, i get permission denied
904 [06:53:24] <oblio> *su
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907 [06:54:26] <klys> there is an _apt user since when
908 [06:54:42] <oblio> i'm on stretch
909 [06:54:57] <oblio> dont know when it first appeared though
910 [06:55:43] <oblio> i see mention of it as part of sid in 2015
911 [06:56:00] <oblio> ..2014
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914 [06:59:15] <klys> is this it: _apt:x:104:65534::/nonexistent:/bin/false
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917 [07:01:28] <oblio> i figured it out
918 [07:01:29] <oblio> finally
919 [07:01:31] <oblio> permissions problem
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924 [07:04:43] <hanasaki> how do you get an invite into debian-next
925 [07:05:12] <missmbob> you to to the correct server. it's on oftc not freenode
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928 [07:05:41] <hanasaki> ah
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962 [07:19:28] <jakefb> Hi I' trying to change my locale to en_US.UTF-8
963 [07:19:49] <jakefb> when I run dpkg-reconfigure locales I get this error
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965 [07:21:03] <jakefb> replaced-url
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968 [07:21:10] <jakefb> Can anyone help?
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972 [07:23:29] <klys> try en_US.utf8
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974 [07:23:46] <grawity> that's not going to help
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976 [07:23:55] <klys> it's in the locales-all package iirc.
977 [07:23:59] <grawity> the problem is, well, as perl's output shows
978 [07:24:10] <grawity> your shell still has the old *environment* variables
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980 [07:24:18] <grawity> which are telling perl to use en_NZ.*
981 [07:24:21] <grawity> but you just disabled it
982 [07:24:51] <grawity> if the old LC_CTYPE was also set by dpkg-reconfigure, then a logout/login should help
983 [07:25:18] <grawity> if it was set manually... find the file where it was set, adjust it, and *then* log out/log in
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987 [07:27:11] <missmbob> you could sudo locale-gen
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1000 [07:31:59] <jakefb> grawity I've tried this replaced-url
1001 [07:32:11] <grawity> aaaand?
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1006 [07:32:44] <jakefb> grawity just reconnected to the ssh server will give it a go changing the locales again
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1011 [07:34:27] <jakefb> I'm on a mac I logged out and back in but maybe I have to restart the ssh server
1012 [07:34:38] <jakefb> sshd service I mean
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1015 [07:35:02] <grawity> the LC_CTYPE is probably pushed by the client on the mac, then
1016 [07:35:17] <grawity> just enable both en_US.UTF-8 and en_NZ.UTF-8 then
1017 [07:35:29] <grawity> since it's LC_CTYPE, it doesn't matter which one it's set to
1018 [07:36:07] <jakefb> Enable them both on client or ssh server?
1019 [07:36:32] <jakefb> I don't really understand locales that well
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1237 [09:37:09] <msevwork> Is it possible to use DRDB to mirror just certain folders and not the entire filesystem?
1238 [09:37:38] <jelly> msevwork: no
1239 [09:37:48] <msevwork> so just the entire filesystem?
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1241 [09:38:05] <jelly> the entire block device (with the filesystem on it)
1242 [09:38:26] <msevwork> what would then be a solution for auto-backuping just certain folders and files to another separate disk?
1243 [09:38:38] <jelly> a file-based backup
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1246 [09:39:04] <epsilon> own/nextcloud, rsync with cronjob
1247 [09:39:13] <jelly> msevwork: the simplest thing might be something rsync based, like dirvish or rsnapshot
1248 [09:39:58] <msevwork> jelly is it possible to configure those two that when a new file would be detected in a folder it would automatically copy/backup the new files to the second drive?
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1256 [09:44:49] <jelly> msevwork: no, those particular rsync wrappers just set up a daily cron job. There's a tool similar to rsync called lsyncd that tracks fs changes in a folder, but I have no idea how reliable it is
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1267 [09:48:13] <xmj> moin
1268 [09:48:17] <xmj> is there a way to select on a command line which repositories from /etc/apt-mirror.list get mirrored through apt-mirror?
1269 [09:48:42] <xmj> so that i can e.g. mirror repositories foo and bar at 6am (via cron), and have baz mirrored at 6pm
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1276 [09:53:25] <msevwork> well maybe daily would be good enough
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1278 [09:53:46] <msevwork> jelly so is this rsync super-reliable and bullet-proof?
1279 [09:53:59] <msevwork> since I heard rumours about owncloud being unreliable
1280 [09:54:04] <msevwork> so i'm hesitant to use that
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1285 [09:54:48] <jelly> rsync itself is fine, but you still want to check the exit status
1286 [09:54:52] <msevwork> use case for backup would be 1.)family photos 2.) home automation databases 3.)images of pi's doing certain stuff around the house and some coding stuff
1287 [09:55:03] <msevwork> by exit status you mean?
1288 [09:55:03] <jelly> that's why there are wrappers
1289 [09:55:29] <jelly> replaced-url
1290 [09:55:51] <gebruiker> !debian
1291 [09:55:52] <dpkg> rumour has it, debian is replaced-url
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1293 [09:56:38] <jelly> msevwork: each process on ending returns a value denoting success of failure, all unix-like os-es have this
1294 [09:56:46] <jelly> success _or_ failure
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1296 [09:58:09] <msevwork> nice
1297 [09:58:42] <msevwork> have you guys tested owncloud, how reliable did you find it?
1298 [09:59:06] <jelly> no opinion on owncloud from me
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1302 [10:00:47] <TvL2386> msevwork, I've been toying with nextcloud
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1304 [10:00:53] <xmj> msevwork: was that (daily good enough) in reply to me?
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1306 [10:02:23] <msevwork> no
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1308 [10:02:37] <xmj> k
1309 [10:03:48] <TvL2386> msevwork, I just implemented a backup strategy for my family and my parents. On both locations I have a server with a 1TB backup disk. I daily rsync to the local backup disk and afterwards rsync from the local backup to the remote backup. And every day at 23:59 a zfs snapshot is made on the backup volume
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1311 [10:04:26] <TvL2386> msevwork, works great.
1312 [10:05:26] <xmj> TvL2386: does the local backup disk use zfs?
1313 [10:05:34] <TvL2386> xmj, yes
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1315 [10:05:38] <xmj> if so, you might consider just sending the incremenntal snapshots
1316 [10:05:45] <xmj> zxfer is awesome for that
1317 [10:05:50] <TvL2386> xmj, it's on my todo list to check it out
1318 [10:05:59] <TvL2386> :)
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1321 [10:06:41] <xmj> right, if you're already using snapshots on both local and remote backups... might just transfer the diffs between snapshots, yay incremental backups.
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1323 [10:07:08] <TvL2386> xmj, yeah that's the ultimate solution
1324 [10:08:15] <TvL2386> I'm also in the process of replacing my 4TB data disk with ext4 by 3x4TB and want to make it zfs raidz
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1328 [10:09:12] <xmj> buy another disk and make it striped mirror :))
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1330 [10:09:54] <tx> well
1331 [10:09:56] <tx> at least it's not brtfs
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1333 [10:10:02] <tx> btrfs*
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1336 [10:12:55] <TvL2386> xmj, well, I want the most GB for bucks. And my server (HP MicroServer Gen8) can only house 4 disks
1337 [10:13:19] <TvL2386> of which 1 is the backup disk... This is fine and I think raidz for such a small pool is fine as well
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1339 [10:13:43] <tx> TvL2386: 5 disks!
1340 [10:13:47] <tx> don't forget the top bay :)
1341 [10:14:00] <TvL2386> yeah yeah... ok ok... I've put my samsung ssd 256GB there :)
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1343 [10:14:03] <tx> If you use SSDs you can fit about 4 in there.
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1345 [10:14:04] <tx> hehe
1346 [10:14:06] <xmj> you have a backup disk on the same server as the data comes from?
1347 [10:14:13] <tx> assuming you have an internal sata controller card
1348 [10:14:47] <TvL2386> well tx, the microserver gen8 has a sata odd port internally
1349 [10:15:03] <TvL2386> so you can shove 4x 3.5 inch in the front and have 1 sata port internally
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1351 [10:15:19] <tx> yeah
1352 [10:15:23] <tx> but I filled the top with 4 SSDs
1353 [10:15:27] <tx> + 4 HDDS in the front bays
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1355 [10:15:50] <TvL2386> xmj: yeah I have and yeah I know it's not very good, but I lack the hardware to do it correctly
1356 [10:15:52] <tx> not quite enough ports on the board :P
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1358 [10:16:05] <TvL2386> xmj and since the backups are going remote anyway: I don't mind
1359 [10:16:17] <TvL2386> tx LOL!
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1362 [10:18:23] <TvL2386> tx, I've got one problem with the server though
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1366 [10:19:16] <TvL2386> tx, sometimes... I think after doing kernel upgrades.... It has lost the raid volume in the internal b120i controller
1367 [10:19:27] <TvL2386> so I have to recreate it in order to make it bootable again
1368 [10:19:35] <TvL2386> that sucks
1369 [10:19:51] <TvL2386> and you might not want to help me, since the server is running ubuntu-16.04 :)
1370 [10:20:13] <TvL2386> s/help/talk to/g
1371 [10:20:27] <tx> TvL2386: don't use hardware RAID
1372 [10:20:30] <tx> what's the point
1373 [10:20:47] <tx> use mdadm
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1375 [10:21:03] <xcvxcv> test
1376 [10:21:13] <TvL2386> yeah yeah, remember I only have 1 SSD... I just have to create a volume in order to have something bootable
1377 [10:21:21] <tx> .. what?
1378 [10:21:22] <tx> no you don't.
1379 [10:21:24] <TvL2386> so it's raid0 with 1 disk -_-
1380 [10:21:31] <tx> you can put it into AHCI JBOD mode
1381 [10:21:35] <tx> I think it's even that by default.
1382 [10:21:51] <TvL2386> it wasn't by default on my server, but it won't boot if I change it in the bios
1383 [10:22:31] <tx> you pelican.
1384 [10:22:36] <TvL2386> I'm thinking the b120i controller puts something on the disk to recognize it, which interferes with the AHCI mode
1385 [10:22:57] <tx> yeah you'd need to do a file-level copy
1386 [10:23:00] <tx> to get if off raid
1387 [10:23:14] <tx> super silly though, what if your microserver goes bust
1388 [10:23:22] <tx> it's going to be annoying to recover the disk
1389 [10:23:31] <tx> let's hope you can just mount the partition :P
1390 [10:23:43] <tx> thankfully it's only single disk and not some awful parity raid setup
1391 [10:23:44] <TvL2386> yeah I know, but I have backups :)
1392 [10:23:46] <tx> that's a nightmare :P
1393 [10:24:50] <TvL2386> the SSD only contains the root filesystem and my homedir... The homedir is in the backup and the server configuration is in ansible. So I can get it up in no time
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1398 [10:26:31] <TvL2386> tx, nevertheless, it annoys me that I need ILO to get it bootable again after certain updates :)
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1450 [10:59:38] <Delf> Is there a way to do a graceful termination for a seat?
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1455 [11:00:59] <TvL2386> Delf, w00t?
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1460 [11:03:25] <Delf> loginctl kill-session does not seem to signal or wait for processes to do their things and exit
1461 [11:03:54] <babilen> Why doesn't it?
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1463 [11:04:31] <Delf> I don't know? Or maybe it's just Chromium?
1464 [11:05:11] <klys> is there a terminate-session you can do instead?
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1468 [11:06:34] <Delf> Yes, but it has the same effect, at least on Chromium. Don't know about other processes
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1471 [11:07:12] <xcvxcv> exit
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1473 [11:09:10] <msevwork> I need to read up what you guys wrote TvL2386 and xmj and tx :D
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1475 [11:09:32] <tx> why
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1477 [11:11:04] <msevwork> how much does that HP microserver cost :D
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1479 [11:11:22] <msevwork> also whats the deal with these zfs snapshots
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1481 [11:11:38] <TvL2386> msevwork, I just bought one for my parents for 189 euro on amazon.de
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1483 [11:12:35] <TvL2386> msevwork, well, they are just snapshots. And what I love about them is that I can do "cd /zpool/volume/.zfs/snapshots" and browse them all
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1485 [11:13:14] <msevwork> i don't understand what is good about snapshots :D
1486 [11:13:21] <msevwork> i don't even know what they are :D
1487 [11:13:42] <TvL2386> msevwork, well. It's like a photo of your filesystem
1488 [11:13:44] <TvL2386> frozen in time
1489 [11:13:48] <TvL2386> it will not change anymore
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1491 [11:14:05] <msevwork> gotcha
1492 [11:14:57] <msevwork> quite cheap that microserver, but I might go an even more cheaper route with a singleboardcomputer etc
1493 [11:15:01] <msevwork> arm :)
1494 [11:15:07] <msevwork> a bit more slow and rudimentary
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1496 [11:15:17] <msevwork> probably just gonna use rsync and 2 disks
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1498 [11:15:43] <TvL2386> and the cool thing is that my dad is browsing his data from his win10 laptop. I exported /data by samba, and I export /backup/<dads_name> by samba as well. By creating that symlink he is able to browse his snapshots... so reverting or searching for stuff he can do himself :)
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1502 [11:16:22] <TvL2386> msevwork, raspberry pi?
1503 [11:16:58] <SynrG> with backups, it's the property you don't implement that will end up losing all your data for you. :p (i.e. if you don't have multi-generational backups, you'll lose data because it's overwritten by later data ... or if you don't have off-site backups, you'll lose your data because your server room goes up in smoke ;) )
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1506 [11:17:27] <SynrG> i.e. "just gonna use rsync and 2 disks" sounds good in theory, but is really not much protection
1507 [11:17:35] <trevorj> Hi everyone, is there a way to hide specific Section
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1509 [11:17:55] <trevorj> Hi everyone, is there a way to hide specific Sections in apt search results by default?
1510 [11:18:06] <trevorj> (hit enter by accident up there)
1511 [11:18:37] <TvL2386> yeah, that's why I do a local backup and send it remote immediately after... About 15 years ago the computer room in my dads house did go up in smoke and we did loose everything
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1513 [11:19:06] <SynrG> trevorj: could possibly be done with aptitude's selectors, which are quite powerful. make a wrapper script that specifies the default filters you want.
1514 [11:19:33] <SynrG> s/selectors/patterns/ i guess they're called
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1518 [11:22:30] <SynrG> trevorj: e.g. !~ssectionname and build up a query combining more than one if you like
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1536 [11:33:03] <Digital> heya
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1538 [11:33:56] <Digital> i freshly installed debian, and it lacks fsck, which should be installed since the disks are checked during boot
1539 [11:34:53] <ws2k3> Digital apt-get install fsck?
1540 [11:35:11] <SynrG> i doubt it
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1542 [11:35:28] <ws2k3> Digital sorry apt-get install e2fsprogs
1543 [11:35:30] <SynrG> Digital: check your PATH?
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1545 [11:36:07] <Digital> since it is a fresh install i'd expect it to be installed already
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1549 [11:36:48] <SynrG> Digital: /sbin is not in your PATH unless you're root
1550 [11:36:50] <kilil> hi
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1552 [11:37:05] <Digital> i know how to install stuff :p
1553 [11:37:15] <kilil> is there any body to help??
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1555 [11:37:29] <TvL2386> kilil no asking for help, just ask
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1558 [11:37:36] <Digital> the thing is, everytime i boot it shows an error message because fsck is not found
1559 [11:37:39] <TvL2386> :)
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1561 [11:37:53] <SynrG> Digital: util-linux is 'Priority: required'
1562 [11:37:59] <petn-randall> Digital: What release did you install?
1563 [11:37:59] <trevorj> SynrG: Yeah, that's what I've been doing
1564 [11:38:00] <TvL2386> Digital, maybe you have a weird filesystem and the fsck tools are not installed?
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1566 [11:38:03] <kilil> my problem replaced-url
1567 [11:38:05] <SynrG> Digital: you can't *not* have /sbin/fsck unless your system is completely hosed
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1570 [11:38:25] <ws2k3> i had php installed with apt-get i removed that and compiled php from source now. but if i run php i get bash: /usr/bin/php: No such file or directory. which if i run which php then i get /usr/local/bin/php how do i remove the php -> /usr/bin/php link?
1571 [11:38:42] <SynrG> Digital: "an error message" ... be more specific
1572 [11:38:58] <SynrG> Digital: perhaps you have an initrd that was built incorrectly?
1573 [11:39:00] <trevorj> SynrG: It's just unfortunate that I can't filter apt-cache search and apt search results by default as aptitude is large and in charge of my terminal
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1576 [11:39:22] <TvL2386> ws2k3, maybe you need to start a new terminal because you're looking at outdated hashing or something?
1577 [11:39:31] <SynrG> trevorj: i don't know what you mean by 'large and in charge of your terminal'. aptitude can be used at the commandline ...
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1580 [11:39:45] <ws2k3> TvL2386 lol thx alot ^^
1581 [11:39:47] <Digital> i installed gnome-terminal, i3, htop, i don't remember everything
1582 [11:39:48] <trevorj> SynrG: lol, just that it's not the quickest
1583 [11:39:53] <TvL2386> ws2k3, yw! :)
1584 [11:40:07] <SynrG> trevorj: what powers your computer? squirrels?
1585 [11:40:15] <trevorj> SynrG: It's great, I use it, it's just not near as fast as apt search
1586 [11:40:30] <kilil> :( any idea?
1587 [11:40:33] <trevorj> Do a time of searches of both ;)
1588 [11:40:38] <Digital> fssck is installed, 'sudo fsck' works
1589 [11:40:51] <trevorj> SynrG: mostly
1590 [11:41:07] <Digital> I'm gonna reboot and make a pic
1591 [11:41:07] <Digital> b
1592 [11:41:12] <trevorj> SynrG: But they're badass squirrels
1593 [11:41:16] <SynrG> trevorj: :)
1594 [11:41:23] <petn-randall> Digital: Please show us the complete error message and the surrounding lines. You can probably find the logs in /var/log/ somewhere.
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1597 [11:42:17] <trevorj> SynrG: I really just want to filter universe/science because while it's amazing and great those packages are not something I'll ever likely install
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1599 [11:42:43] <SynrG> trevorj: it is possible to use grep-dctrl to filter stuff ...
1600 [11:42:54] <SynrG> trevorj: maybe study this and figure out a select that works for you
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1603 [11:43:43] <trevorj> SynrG: I think I'm just going to cron listing all of them, and |egrep -B2 -v'ing the output
1604 [11:43:51] <trevorj> lol
1605 [11:43:55] <trevorj> It just feels dirty
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1609 [11:44:43] <trevorj> SynrG: Because in a perfect world, search would suggest things based upon what I've already installed
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1611 [11:45:00] <trevorj> SynrG: Prioritized I mean
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1614 [11:45:08] <petn-randall> trevorj: "universe" sounds a lot like Ubuntu to me.
1615 [11:45:21] <trevorj> petn-randall: Yep. I use both.
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1617 [11:46:00] <trevorj> petn-randall: apt/dpkg is however a precious debianism which is why my q is here
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1621 [11:47:37] <Digital> TvL2386: SynrG petn-randall replaced-url
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1631 [11:50:32] <TvL2386> I admit I don't have a clue Digital
1632 [11:50:55] <petn-randall> Digital: Can you show us the output of 'apt-cache policy e2fsprogs' to replaced-url
1633 [11:51:00] <SynrG> trevorj: about those squirrels, a timed aptitude search '~nearth !~sastronomy !~sscience' which returns 21 hits and it took 4.7 seconds. that's too slow for you?
1634 [11:51:08] <SynrG> s/a timed/I timed/
1635 [11:51:30] <TvL2386> Digital, Isn't the error a response from fsck.ext4 and not that fsck.ext4 is missing?
1636 [11:51:36] <SynrG> trevorj: if it's significantly slower, i think the answer is steroids
1637 [11:51:41] <TvL2386> maybe /dev/sda6 is missing?
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1639 [11:52:01] <SynrG> trevorj: aptitude really is the best tool for this
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1641 [11:52:35] <Digital> petn-randall, apt-cache policy e2fsprogs
1642 [11:52:39] <Digital> err replaced-url
1643 [11:52:41] <TvL2386> Digital, maybe I haven't followed completely, but do you confirm there is no fsck.ext4 binary?
1644 [11:53:12] <SynrG> i'll repeat my suggestion earlier ... maybe Digital's initrd is built incorrectly?
1645 [11:53:12] <Digital> I don't know, how do i confirm?
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1647 [11:53:41] <SynrG> wait, wait, wait folks. stop the presses
1648 [11:53:46] <SynrG> i looked at the screenshot
1649 [11:53:46] <TvL2386> yes
1650 [11:53:51] <SynrG> it doesn't say fsck is missing
1651 [11:53:59] <TvL2386> exactly
1652 [11:54:00] <TvL2386> my point
1653 [11:54:03] <SynrG> "fsck exited with status code 0"
1654 [11:54:11] <Digital> TvL2386, "ls /sbin/" shows fsck.ext4
1655 [11:54:16] <TvL2386> ack
1656 [11:54:22] <SynrG> fsck is complaining about /dev/sda6
1657 [11:54:23] <TvL2386> I think /dev/sda6 is missing
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1659 [11:54:32] <SynrG> Digital: why are you telling it to fsck a non-existent device? :)
1660 [11:54:39] <SynrG> check your /etc/fstab ... i think it's screwed
1661 [11:54:42] <SynrG> !uuid
1662 [11:54:42] <dpkg> A Universally Unique IDentifier (UUID) is used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with 'blkid'. In /etc/fstab, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. UUIDs help to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire.
1663 [11:54:58] <Digital> fsck exited with status code 8, not 0
1664 [11:55:17] <SynrG> so i'm blind
1665 [11:55:26] <SynrG> it's entirely irrelevant what status code it is ...
1666 [11:55:33] <SynrG> the relevant point is that it's *fsck* doing something
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1668 [11:55:43] <SynrG> i.e. it's there. your /dev/sda6 is not
1669 [11:55:52] <SynrG> learn to read error messages :)
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1671 [11:56:26] <SynrG> the thing before the colon is the thing doing the error reporting. the thing after the colon is the thing it's complaining about
1672 [11:56:31] <TvL2386> << hates UUID, likes LABEL :)
1673 [11:56:39] <Digital> yeah, sorry
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1675 [11:57:17] <Digital> sda6 is there, its my root partition. fstab shows the correct uuid
1676 [11:57:23] <TvL2386> no worries Digital
1677 [11:57:28] <SynrG> Digital: sda6 is apparently not there during early boot
1678 [11:57:36] <SynrG> Digital: i.e. read the UUID factoid above
1679 [11:57:45] <SynrG> names of things can change ...
1680 [11:58:08] <TvL2386> yeah but he says fstab shows the correct UUID
1681 [11:58:13] <TvL2386> so he's using UUIDs?
1682 [11:58:19] <TvL2386> and not sda6
1683 [11:58:29] <SynrG> beats me. let's see the /etc/fstab then
1684 [11:58:37] <SynrG> and the output of 'blkid'
1685 [11:58:43] <Rephlexie> paste fstab
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1689 [11:59:40] <Digital> replaced-url
1690 [11:59:56] <SynrG> um, hmm ...
1691 [11:59:58] <SynrG> aptitude search '~nearth !~sastronomy !~sscience'
1692 [12:00:04] <SynrG> oops, wrong paste buffer :)
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1694 [12:00:16] <Digital> uh, i forgot blkid
1695 [12:00:19] <SynrG> replaced-url
1696 [12:00:33] <SynrG> ^^ this user had the same issue, and updated the initramfs and then everything worked
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1698 [12:00:48] <SynrG> their fstab and blkid looked fine, too
1699 [12:01:11] <TvL2386> haha SynrG just wanted to paste that too
1700 [12:01:21] <SynrG> so back to my original assertion that the initrd was built incorrectly :)
1701 [12:01:23] <TvL2386> update-initramfs -u has fixed it for the dude
1702 [12:01:34] <Digital> do you still need blkid?
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1704 [12:01:52] <SynrG> welcome to twenty minutes ago ;)
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1706 [12:02:01] <Digital> so, what's caused initrd to be build incorrectly?
1707 [12:02:11] <Digital> huh?
1708 [12:02:25] <TvL2386> << dunno
1709 [12:02:30] <SynrG> today i'm blaming squirrels.
1710 [12:02:38] <TvL2386> anyway: got to get my son from school... BBL!
1711 [12:02:50] <TvL2386> good lcuk
1712 [12:02:51] <Digital> uhh, I always blame microsoft :P
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1714 [12:02:59] <Digital> seeya
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1716 [12:03:59] <SynrG> Digital: it's harmless to try rebuilding the initramfs and rebooting ...
1717 [12:04:16] <SynrG> as for it not building, could be due to a failed apt upgrade?
1718 [12:04:38] <SynrG> if you abort an upgrade partway through, then reboot, you're asking for trouble. the triggers that rebuild your initrd run at the end.
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1720 [12:05:02] <Digital> i deleted my kernel by switching ubuntu and debian repositories... then i formated the partition and installed debian lol
1721 [12:05:24] <SynrG> wtf ... "deleted my kernel by ..." ...
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1724 [12:05:44] <Digital> yeah, i was shocked too
1725 [12:05:56] <SynrG> anyway, if it's a fresh install of Debian, no worries :)
1726 [12:06:04] <SynrG> as for how you hosed your initrd
1727 [12:06:07] * SynrG shrugs ...
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1729 [12:06:40] <SynrG> i gotta work, folks. good luck, Digital
1730 [12:06:54] <Digital> the update gave some errors about missing firmware
1731 [12:07:00] <Digital> thanks synrg
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1746 [12:13:11] <Digital> SynrG, petn-randall it works now
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1749 [12:15:26] <petn-randall> Digital: Sweet! Glad it worked out.
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1773 [12:38:59] <TvL2386> back!
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1800 [12:56:23] <kiefer0401> hello
1801 [12:56:31] <bazhang> hi
1802 [12:56:35] <klys> hi
1803 [12:56:56] <kiefer0401> G'day guys from downunder
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1807 [12:58:43] <kiefer0401> I am using a debian based OS : Kali studying to learn security auditing
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1809 [12:59:07] <bazhang> #kali-linux for support kiefer0401
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1811 [12:59:30] <bazhang> kali is offtopic here kiefer0401
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1813 [12:59:50] <kiefer0401> OK thanks. I am a newbie to IRC
1814 [12:59:55] <bazhang> np
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1816 [13:00:25] <kiefer0401> is #kali-linux on this server?
1817 [13:00:34] <bazhang> yes
1818 [13:00:39] <kiefer0401> thanks
1819 [13:00:45] <bazhang> /join #kali-linux
1820 [13:00:50] <bazhang> np
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1835 [13:06:52] <TinyTux> Hey, me (again) from yesterday or so
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1844 [13:07:51] <TinyTux> I've tried Debian Stable but its kernel 3.16 is very unuseable for Kaby Lake, and I don't really trust nor like backports. I've seen stretch has a RC1 installer, can I use this instead? :)
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1855 [13:12:12] <klys> tinytus, anything preventing you from rolling your own kernel there?
1856 [13:12:21] <klys> tinytux*
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1858 [13:13:24] <TinyTux> Yes: incompatibility with jessies X server o_O
1859 [13:14:37] <klys> what's your video hardware make/model?
1860 [13:14:54] <noc_> could installing stretch's kernel work?
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1864 [13:15:47] <TinyTux> Intel everywhere
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1896 [13:32:50] <klys> tinytux, does FB_INTEL=y ? zgrep FB_INTEL /proc/config.gz
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1901 [13:34:43] <klys> tinytux, also have a look at replaced-url
1902 [13:34:46] <mezzer> is debian on the cloud now?
1903 [13:34:56] <mezzer> I hate github
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1905 [13:35:24] <klys> github was created to allow collaboration over the linux kernel.
1906 [13:35:26] <TinyTux> mezzer: I don't thing that Torvalds is developing Debian :P
1907 [13:35:31] <TinyTux> *think
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1910 [13:35:56] <mezzer> w00
1911 [13:36:01] <mezzer> a sharpy
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1913 [13:36:08] <mezzer> let's see
1914 [13:36:11] <mezzer> use of users
1915 [13:36:28] <mezzer> do pc users access irc and linux systems?
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1917 [13:36:47] <mezzer> drivers written
1918 [13:36:56] <klys> are you an non-pc xenophobe? pc users use all systems.
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1920 [13:37:10] <TinyTux> klys: all? define all.
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1923 [13:37:30] <mezzer> I'm a non idea person.chode.
1924 [13:37:31] <Johann> "[13:35:24] klys │ github was created to allow collaboration over the linux kernel." <- git was, not github
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1926 [13:37:38] <klys> tinytux, you would have a difficult time finding a system that didn't work with the pc.
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1928 [13:37:53] <petn-randall> TinyTux: If you have Kabylake hardware, you need the kernel and the X11 drivers from jessie-backports. Installing stretch is not the recommended way to fix this issue.
1929 [13:37:54] <mezzer> pc wins.z 2017
1930 [13:37:57] <mezzer> fact.
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1932 [13:38:17] <mezzer> cost factor 2017 pc winz' linuz loses... fact.
1933 [13:38:24] <TinyTux> petn-randall: I really dislike the backports :(
1934 [13:38:25] <mezzer> pc system lettin' ya know.
1935 [13:38:30] <mezzer> maybe yes
1936 [13:38:38] <mezzer> but pc system lettin ya know.
1937 [13:38:44] <petn-randall> TinyTux: Then there's no solution to your problem. Why do you dislike backports?
1938 [13:38:57] <petn-randall> mezzer: Do you have a support question?
1939 [13:38:57] <mezzer> tinyurl and tiny domains are shit
1940 [13:39:01] <petn-randall> !ot
1941 [13:39:02] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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1943 [13:39:24] <TinyTux> petn-randall: They're not maintained by the official Debian developers, iirc ... or are they?
1944 [13:39:32] <mezzer> sure; it's it possible to place a layer outside of my isp?
1945 [13:39:37] <petn-randall> TinyTux: Of course they are.
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1947 [13:39:42] <TinyTux> Ohh
1948 [13:40:24] <petn-randall> !jessie-backports
1949 [13:40:24] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
1950 [13:40:46] <TinyTux> !bdo
1951 [13:40:46] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
1952 [13:40:53] <mezzer> no
1953 [13:41:11] <mezzer> I want a layer outside of my isp
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1955 [13:41:28] <petn-randall> mezzer: A layer of what?
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1957 [13:42:11] <mezzer> why do you care?
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1960 [13:42:54] <SynrG> mezzer: please keep it to support questions here. #debian-offtopic for ot chat
1961 [13:43:00] <mezzer> petn-randall do you ever test neworks?
1962 [13:43:30] <mezzer> Everyone wants control ..
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1965 [13:43:51] <mezzer> no online tutorials
1966 [13:44:03] <TinyTux> mezzer: RTFM :)
1967 [13:44:08] <mezzer> no
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1969 [13:44:20] <mezzer> I refure to be like you
1970 [13:44:35] * bezaban yawns
1971 [13:44:36] <mezzer> the future isn't acting like you
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1975 [13:44:50] <TinyTux> What are you talking about?
1976 [13:44:54] <mezzer> github needs to be replaced
1977 [13:44:55] <petn-randall> mezzer: If you don't have any support questions please use a better suiting channel. This is a Debian support channel.
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1980 [13:45:44] <mezzer> is this irc channel accessed by pc users more than debian users?
1981 [13:45:52] <mezzer> << pc user
1982 [13:45:58] <mezzer> so asking
1983 [13:46:01] <TinyTux> PC = hardware; Debian = software
1984 [13:46:04] <mezzer> I think this is great questions
1985 [13:46:33] <mezzer> I love that I'm using pc to irc to debian irc questions ..
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1987 [13:46:47] <petn-randall> !survey
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1989 [13:46:48] <dpkg> i heard survey is Don't ask whether 'somebody uses <app>' unless conducting a survey. Ask the question that you want to ask.
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2001 [13:53:14] <petn-randall> SynrG: thanks
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2040 [14:12:58] <pzn> which doc should I recommend to learn about debian 8 system initialization? the debian users manual is outdated about this topic
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2052 [14:17:38] <klys> pzn, first choose between sysvinit, systemd, or upstart. then read available docs.
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2064 [14:23:26] <petn-randall> pzn: replaced-url
2065 [14:26:44] <Iridos> I am thinking of getting a PS3 Eye camera because it is capable of >100fps… apparently people got it to run around 2009 replaced-url
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2073 [14:29:38] <Kyoshiro> hi, I've just switched to grub-efi-amd64 on debian jessie, and now when booting the server I get stuck at "loading initial ramdisk" and server automatically reboots (it boots properly on a non Xen version of Linux)
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2076 [14:31:16] <petn-randall> Kyoshiro: What were you running before?
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2078 [14:31:37] <Kyoshiro> grub-pc
2079 [14:31:46] <Kyoshiro> I just changed that
2080 [14:32:27] <Kyoshiro> although I have random issues with classic Linux not booting either and complaining about smpboot: CPU1 not repsonding (on all cpus)
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2084 [14:33:02] <Kyoshiro> should I switch back to grub-pc maybe ?
2085 [14:33:05] <petn-randall> Kyoshiro: It's not enough to just install grub-efi-amd64 to be able to boot into UEFI mode.
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2087 [14:33:20] <Kyoshiro> yeah I did a lot of changes on the boot partition indeed
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2089 [14:33:35] <Kyoshiro> I split the /boot into /boot and an EFI dedicated partition
2090 [14:33:37] <petn-randall> Kyoshiro: You have to enable EFI mode and boot into it before grub-efi-amd64 can access the ESP, which is needed to make it bootable. So it's a bootstrapping problem.
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2092 [14:33:50] <Kyoshiro> and I changed bios option to EFI mode instead of legacy
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2098 [14:34:35] <Kyoshiro> I can access grub properly, and I can exec things from the EFI partition in EFI shell
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2100 [14:35:44] <Kyoshiro> I get this from standard Linux boot (half of the time) replaced-url
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2105 [14:38:13] <pzn> klys, petn-randall: thanks
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2108 [14:38:45] <petn-randall> Kyoshiro: The way to fix it is to boot a live system in *EFI* mode, chroot into your installation, and run grub-install once grub-efi-amd64 is installed.
2109 [14:39:03] <kyellow> When does debian 9 come in, is there the defined date
2110 [14:39:09] <petn-randall> !wwsr
2111 [14:39:09] <dpkg> Well... it's starting to get distinctly chilly... Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about <stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help>
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2113 [14:40:12] <Kyoshiro> petn-randall, in fact it sometimes boot properly in EFI mode, and I did run grub-install and update-grub from there
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2128 [14:45:18] <Kyoshiro> any other idea petn-randall ? I managed to get it to boot right now (non xen mode)
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2131 [14:45:48] <Kyoshiro> it could be a timing issue, if I wait a bit in grub before booting it seems to pass
2132 [14:45:50] <MaxFrames> I have performed a v2v conversion of a debian wheezy guest (from vmware to hyper-v); I want to now uninstall open-vm-tools (and all the open-vm-* packages)
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2137 [14:46:35] <MaxFrames> first question is: just remove them, or purge them?
2138 [14:46:53] <MaxFrames> using the synaptic gui, it's remove vs. "completely remove"
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2140 [14:47:35] <MaxFrames> second question is: should I remove everything "open-vm-*" and do I need to do it in a particular order?
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2143 [14:47:49] <Iridos> purge removes configuration files, else they are kept
2144 [14:48:21] <MaxFrames> so in this case, since I'm no longer running in VMWare, I probably want to purge the packages
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2146 [14:49:02] <Iridos> well… remove whatever you think you want to remove.
2147 [14:49:19] <Iridos> you'll get a list of things that are finally removed that you can (y/n)
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2150 [14:50:25] <MaxFrames> ok
2151 [14:50:38] <Iridos> look at that to see that not tens or hundreds of unrelated packages get removed because of some dependency
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2155 [14:52:39] <somiaj> kyellow: Final stage of the freeze is Feb 5th. So about 6 months (give or take a few months) after that is a very rough guess. And it will only be rough guesses until a week or two before the annoucment. Watching the rc bug count can help see progress....replaced-url
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2158 [14:53:32] <beastwick> if bugs are found in stable, do they get fixed?
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2161 [14:53:59] <somiaj> beastwick: some do, but only very critical bugs that can be fixed via backported fixes.
2162 [14:54:20] <Iridos> always, if they are security bugs, else… a lot do, some don't
2163 [14:54:20] <somiaj> beastwick: point releases are a combination of bug fixes + security fixes (which is kinda a bug)
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2181 [15:01:21] <plujon> Greetings. I would like to install a few old versions of Debian for testing purposes, but I don't fully understand the debian release process. Would Debian 6.0.10 (July 19th, 2014), be likely to have a newer or older version of Chromium than 7.0 (May 4th, 2013)?
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2184 [15:02:50] <somiaj> plujon: debian releases are mostly frozen, so they kinda are stuck with the versions around at the time they froze. Chromium security fixes are an exception, since the newest version is used as the fix.
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2187 [15:03:14] <somiaj> plujon: also I think your 2014 date is off, though that might be the date support stoped.
2188 [15:03:17] <somiaj> !squeeze-lts
2189 [15:03:17] <dpkg> Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" ended on 2016-02-29 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
2190 [15:03:29] <somiaj> !squeeze
2191 [15:03:30] <dpkg> Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" was released on 2011-02-06 and is the oldoldstable release: replaced-url
2192 [15:03:44] <n4dir> plujon: testing what?
2193 [15:04:00] <somiaj> so 6.0 squeeze, whatever the version of chromium was from security at the time it lost support in 2014 is the version in it.
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2195 [15:04:03] <somiaj> !wheezy
2196 [15:04:04] <dpkg> Wheezy is the current <oldstable> release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04: replaced-url
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2199 [15:04:26] <somiaj> same thing with debian 7, wheezy, whatever chromium version was in there from security when support ended is the version avaialble.
2200 [15:04:34] <somiaj> (both wich have known security holes now)
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2205 [15:06:00] <plujon> n4dir: I want to test the behavior of old Chromium (not old Chrome) because I maintain a product that is used by a small number of people using old versions of Chromium.
2206 [15:06:49] <n4dir> and what is the point to test the behaviour of an old chromium on an out-of-date operating system?
2207 [15:06:55] <plujon> n4dir: Specifically, one user told me he was using Debian 7 with Chromium 37, and had problems. I don't know what version of Debian 7 he has, but before I installed it, I thought maybe I should go back even farther.
2208 [15:07:16] <somiaj> snapshot.debian.org will give you any version of chromium that made it into a debian package. You could use that to pull the source and compile it for what you are working on. Note old versions of chromium are filled with security issues.
2209 [15:07:39] <plujon> somiaj: Right; I won't actually use chromium myself.
2210 [15:07:44] <n4dir> that is: it works, it doesn't work. It doesn't matter. One should not run anything but old-stable.
2211 [15:07:49] <plujon> somiaj: Thanks, how exactly can I do that; that sounds awesome!
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2213 [15:08:03] <somiaj> plujon: go to snapshot.debian.org, download the source code.
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2260 [15:26:01] <plujon> Rather than download the source, I see there are binary packages. Is it possible for me to grab a .deb, and to install the package to /usr/lib/chromium-37 instead of the default install locations?
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2268 [15:30:24] <babilen> plujon: You can place the contents there, yes (dpkg -x foo.deb /usr/lib/chromium-37) -- What are you trying to achieve?
2269 [15:31:09] <plujon> babilen: Ability to run different versions of chromium easily (for testing)
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2285 [15:40:33] <plujon> It seems shared library dependencies are not satisfied by simply extracting a deb file. Hmm.
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2288 [15:42:09] <plujon> E.g. /usr/local/lib/chromium-37/usr/lib/chromium/chromium: error while loading shared libraries: libsrtp.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2289 [15:42:09] <plujon>
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2294 [15:43:50] <plujon> And unfortunately, I suspect building Chromium from source will take a long time and possibly fail if I don't use the right compiler versions and whatnot. Maybe I'll just install Debian 7.0.
2295 [15:43:54] <Brigo> plujon, i think you have to create some links too.
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2299 [15:45:42] <Brigo> plujon, also you need to install the dependencies of each chromium version. It easy could be they can't coexist.
2300 [15:45:49] <Brigo> ,v chromium
2301 [15:45:50] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1; stretch: 55.0.2883.75-3; sid: 55.0.2883.75-6
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2304 [15:46:31] <Brigo> plujon, another option could be using containers, check lxc for example.
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2314 [15:54:44] <plujon> Brigo: Thanks, I've never tried lxc. I'll try replaced-url
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2405 [16:42:48] <apatheti1sheep> wc
2406 [16:42:51] <apatheti1sheep> oops
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2444 [17:00:19] <AlexLikeRock> im reporting BUG ...
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2446 [17:00:28] <AlexLikeRock> they say: "gathering additional data, this may take a while..."
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2457 [17:03:43] * malacozoan asplode
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2470 [17:10:56] <AlexLikeRock> now are 15 min
2471 [17:11:01] <AlexLikeRock> brake ?
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2473 [17:12:59] <n4dir> that's what i would do
2474 [17:13:18] <n4dir> but i can't say you much more. Only an opinion
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2531 [17:38:03] <ambient> Hi, I am trying to update tor browser and get : "pgp signature verification failed you might be under attack or there might be a networking problem"
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2534 [17:38:29] <ambient> I rebooted and reset my network connection several times
2535 [17:38:38] <ambient> Same results
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2537 [17:38:50] <petn-randall> ambient: Is this on Debian or Tails?
2538 [17:38:56] <ambient> Debian
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2543 [17:39:44] <petn-randall> ambient: How did you install the tor browser?
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2549 [17:40:54] <ambient> petn-randall, replaced-url
2550 [17:41:05] <nick297> hi there. I just installed Debian and tried to install a user theme, but it crashed. Now I can't active User Themes in the Tweaktool anymore. Something crashes and I get "A problem has occured and the system can't recover. All extensions have been disabled as a precaution." and below that is a button that says 'Log Out'. Can someone please tell me
2551 [17:41:05] <nick297> how I can troubleshoot this?
2552 [17:41:20] <ambient> petn-randall, I had it for a while and previously updated without issues. Except for now.
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2564 [17:50:04] <Brigo> nick297, i would start with the logs. Check the output of journalctl -b
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2581 [17:53:59] <nick297> Brigo, should something stand out? It mostly shows what I consider normal stuff. Only weird thing is that the last entry is from 17:19:58, yet the last crash was from 1-2 minutes ago
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2586 [17:54:41] <Brigo> nick297, are you using it as root?
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2588 [17:54:59] <nick297> Brigo, yup. It's empty when I try it as a normal user
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2590 [17:55:38] <Brigo> nick297, i don't use gnome so i don't know if it has its own logs for you to chek
2591 [17:55:44] <Brigo> check*
2592 [17:55:53] <nick297> I rebooted and it looks the same to me. So I think the journal only relates to Debian itself
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2597 [17:56:07] <nick297> OK. Thanks anyway, I'll take a look
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2606 [17:56:48] <DammitJim> is there an easy way to test a client ssl certificate works with a server?
2607 [17:56:52] <Brigo> nick297, no, it logs everything
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2611 [17:57:20] <Brigo> DammitJim, try connecting with the server?
2612 [17:57:30] <DammitJim> I don't have one at this time
2613 [17:57:40] <DammitJim> I thought maybe there was some kind of openssl thing
2614 [17:57:54] <jelly> DammitJim: openssl s_client -cert ... -connect foo:443
2615 [17:57:59] <jelly> man s_client
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2617 [17:58:24] <jelly> or add it to firefox and try connecting
2618 [17:58:32] <DammitJim> oh ok, but I have to install the server certificate on a server first
2619 [17:58:32] <DammitJim> got it
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2623 [17:58:48] <Brigo> jelly, s_client, new to me. :)
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2625 [17:59:19] <jelly> DammitJim: you do need an ssl server configured to only accept (some) client certs, yes
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2627 [18:00:05] <DammitJim> ok, so not that straight forward (at least for me)
2628 [18:00:06] <DammitJim> thanks!
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2634 [18:03:30] <jelly> DammitJim: yes, it's a bit of a pain to set up first time. For apache look at SSLVerifyClient, SSLVerifyDepth, SSLCACertificateFile, and possibly other stuff
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2636 [18:04:01] <DammitJim> thanks
2637 [18:04:11] <DammitJim> that's good 'cause one test bed i have is NGINX
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2647 [18:07:00] <AlexLikeRock> hi guys
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2649 [18:07:19] <AlexLikeRock> that include you abrotman , my frined :-D
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2651 [18:07:27] <AlexLikeRock> i report GRUB2
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2653 [18:07:33] <AlexLikeRock> replaced-url
2654 [18:07:46] <AlexLikeRock> GRUB2 not boot,
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2657 [18:08:32] <AlexLikeRock> just *** REMOVE "console=hvc0 console=ttyS0" ***from GRUB.cfg
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2661 [18:08:57] <AlexLikeRock> i tink they are to virtual machine , but my pc have dissable by BIOS
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2664 [18:09:20] <transhuman> hi! In Windows there is something called sysprep and some other things that are used to make a system unique after cloning...is there anything that works with debian to do the same type of things ( obviously there is major differences but generally, is it even necessary on any level)? For instance networking uniqueness?
2665 [18:09:22] <AlexLikeRock> and i cant LOGin to BIOS and ENABLE
2666 [18:10:27] <jelly> transhuman: a different system will have different MAC addresses. You still need to change things like hostname, domain name, ip address...
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2669 [18:11:03] <grawity> I don't know of premade tools
2670 [18:11:15] <grawity> but mostly you just have to nuke things like machine-id or dhcp.leases
2671 [18:11:22] <transhuman> I was also thinking certificates and things
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2673 [18:12:10] <grawity> that being /etc/ssh/ssh_host_*key*
2674 [18:12:13] <jelly> transhuman: a very short very basic reconf script we use after imaging at work: replaced-url
2675 [18:12:30] <grawity> and /etc/machine-id
2676 [18:12:32] <transhuman> seems like such a tool would be very handy, especially with virtualization and things
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2680 [18:13:02] <grawity> dunno, with virtualization I'd probably prefer ansible-style tools
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2683 [18:13:24] <grawity> which record *how* to prepare it, not merely the end result
2684 [18:13:38] <jelly> transhuman: and the image is carefully written to not contain lots of autogenerated stuff like /etc/udev/rules/70-persistent-net.rules
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2690 [18:15:06] <jelly> what grawity describes is best practice in linux world, yes, use tools to install every system from scratch and set up things that need to be set up using templates from a configuration management system
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2692 [18:15:51] <transhuman> ok I guess that answers my question, I am familiar with some of those tools, I just was looking for shortcuts, thanks
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2695 [18:16:31] <grawity> I haven't yet gotten around to finishing the playbooks for that, but
2696 [18:16:45] <grawity> at work, plenty of servers already have junk on top of junk on top of junk
2697 [18:17:01] <dixie7z> hello guys... i have serious problem i think... i can't boot up my debian stretch, i didn't updated it for a while because everything was working fine... until today. i can't boot up the system... not even the rescue mode of grub... it starts loading than nothing, black screen... i put netinstall cd and put network interface up, used apt-get tu update upgrade and dist updgrade the system. now i have even a new kernel in grub loader and it
2698 [18:17:05] <grawity> better not continue that trend by cloning a server and hoping it works
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2702 [18:18:01] <jelly> dixie7z: and it ...?
2703 [18:18:12] <dixie7z> what? :D
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2705 [18:18:19] <jelly> you stopped there
2706 [18:18:20] <dixie7z> it still wont boot
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2709 [18:18:44] <dixie7z> whzat
2710 [18:18:53] <dixie7z> what log files should i give to you?
2711 [18:18:56] <jelly> so grub is still working and you can pick a menu entry?
2712 [18:19:01] <dixie7z> yes
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2715 [18:19:14] <dixie7z> it starts to load... then black screen
2716 [18:19:34] <jelly> alreight, use the default one, but edit it and remove the "quiet" option from the linux command line
2717 [18:19:39] <dixie7z> from rescue mode on netinstall cd i upgraded the system.. thought that would solve the problem
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2720 [18:20:12] <dixie7z> okej. will try that
2721 [18:20:14] <jelly> dixie7z: did you do just upgrade, or dist-upgrade? stretch is still testing and dependencies change
2722 [18:20:15] <dixie7z> thanks
2723 [18:20:25] <dixie7z> dist-upgrade and upgrade
2724 [18:20:30] <jelly> alright
2725 [18:21:01] <dixie7z> will reboot now without silent
2726 [18:21:13] <dixie7z> quiet
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2728 [18:21:17] <dixie7z> i mean... :\
2729 [18:21:18] <jelly> maybe it will provide some clue on where precisely it stops
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2735 [18:23:15] <jelly> and even if the screen goes black, it might just be the graphics are borked but the system still boots -- if hd led continues blinking for a while, maybe the machine becomes pingable on the local network and you can log in via ssh?
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2758 [18:33:58] <dixie7z> jelly: now it reads this everythime even with quiet option replaced-url
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2766 [18:35:35] <dixie7z> i think i done something even worse :D
2767 [18:35:38] <dixie7z> now...
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2769 [18:36:45] <dixie7z> how cute.... even windows can see my ext4 partition and all the files in it... and linux can't mount it
2770 [18:36:46] <jelly> "Bad message" is a weird message
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2774 [18:37:34] <jelly> dixie7z: I have no idea what happened there
2775 [18:37:38] <jelly> !debug initramfs
2776 [18:37:38] <dpkg> hmm... initramfsdebug is replaced-url
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2779 [18:38:21] <xXEoflaOEXx> dixie7z, It seems that init is not found.
2780 [18:38:34] <jelly> dixie7z: does cat /proc/mounts show it got mounted or not? Is /dev/sda4 supposed to be your linux filesystem?
2781 [18:38:48] <jelly> xXEoflaOEXx: that's the last error.
2782 [18:38:56] <dixie7z> yes. dev sda4 is my linuy file system
2783 [18:39:11] <dixie7z> x
2784 [18:39:24] <toruvinn> dixie7z, im just guessing here, but whatever you use under windows probably ignores things like superblock checksums, because hey, what could go wrong, right? ;-)
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2786 [18:39:34] <jelly> dixie7z: boot a livecd and run fsck on /dev/sda4, like the message near the top says
2787 [18:39:43] <toruvinn> exactly what i'd do.
2788 [18:39:45] <xXEoflaOEXx> dixie7z, Try to mkdir /root/dev, /root/run and try to run fsck /dev/sda4
2789 [18:39:51] <toruvinn> however i'd run it in readonly mode first...
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2791 [18:40:00] <jelly> dixie7z: and avoid whatever broken ext4 driver you used under windows
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2793 [18:40:17] <jelly> xXEoflaOEXx: that's completely wrong
2794 [18:40:35] <xXEoflaOEXx> dixie7z, Is it on multiboot? Windows + Linux Debian?
2795 [18:40:41] <dixie7z> maybe ext4 driver for windows now even made it worse... i tried to get some log files :(
2796 [18:40:47] <jelly> xXEoflaOEXx: all that stuff is missing because mounting the real filesystem under /root mount point failed above
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2798 [18:40:56] <dixie7z> yes dualboot
2799 [18:41:11] <jelly> dixie7z: it made it slightly worse, but maybe not much
2800 [18:41:26] <jelly> in any case you need to fsck first to fix that
2801 [18:41:26] <xXEoflaOEXx> dixie7z, It seems that you have to remove EXT4 drivers for Windows.
2802 [18:41:29] <toruvinn> dixie7z, when you get some sort of FS corruption it's sorta wise to either use it in read-only mode if you need to get your data off of it, or even a copy of the whole filesystem (on another disk, for example).
2803 [18:41:41] <xXEoflaOEXx> jelly, OK.
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2805 [18:42:17] <jelly> xXEoflaOEXx: you don't need to help everyone, it's best to stick with stuff you have decent working knowledge of
2806 [18:42:32] <dixie7z> okej. will fsck first thanks
2807 [18:42:34] <xXEoflaOEXx> jelly, OK.
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2825 [18:50:40] <nick297> OK, I think I found the corresponding journal entries for my problem (enabling User Themes = Gnome crash).
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2834 [18:52:23] <nick297> in short: x-session-manager says gnome.shell.desktop was killed by signal 6. then it says gnome-shell.desktop respawning too quickly. then the gnome-sesson repeats that. then a red msg from x-session-manager: unrecoverable failure in required component gnome-shell.desktop
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2843 [18:53:37] <nick297> then gnome-session says GLib-GIO-CRITICAL and some proxy has failed. after that I log out and the journal shows my session was closed
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2847 [18:54:57] <nick297> would it be wise to just try and reinstall Gnome or is this fixable? I'd like to try and find out what caused this, because I never get Debian to work properly natively on laptops and I kinda want to do it at least once
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2859 [18:59:12] <flesiti> hi
2860 [18:59:18] <flesiti> by 'ssh root@<server_IP>', will all my traffic be routed through that server?
2861 [18:59:34] <flesiti> I mean can I use ssh as way to bypass censorship?
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2867 [19:00:15] <malwar3hun73r> i'm using debian to connect to a vpn using openvpn and the DNS is not being received properly
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2869 [19:00:26] <greycat> If you're trying to set up a SOCKS proxy for a web browser, you want ssh -N -D someport nonrootuser@host
2870 [19:00:29] <malwar3hun73r> the exact same config/setup works perfectly on ubuntu
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2872 [19:00:37] <malwar3hun73r> any ideas what could be going on?
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2874 [19:01:45] <teraflops> malwar3hun73r: what do you mean, the dns does not show in /etc/resolv.conf?
2875 [19:01:54] <malwar3hun73r> correct
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2877 [19:02:08] <malwar3hun73r> ...and as soon as i asked i think i found the issue - all i needed to do was install resolvconf
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2880 [19:02:45] <nick297> flesiti, that depends. if port 443 for example is blocked or the censoring party recognizes your SSL handshake, then no. in "normal" environments it's possible if the receiving server is on an outside network
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2882 [19:03:33] <Vizva> uname -r isnt correct, wich file have this information? or where can i change this information
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2888 [19:06:20] <mtn> Vizva: why do you say it is not correct?
2889 [19:06:28] <Vizva> its stretch but i need the virtualbox additions
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2891 [19:06:49] <grawity> uname -r can't possibly be wrong, because it directly asks the current kernel about its own version
2892 [19:06:57] <grawity> so if it looks wrong, you booted the wrong kernel
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2895 [19:07:08] <Vizva> iam not sure
2896 [19:07:21] <teraflops> Vizva: or reboot if you just installed a new kernel
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2899 [19:07:44] <Vizva> because i grub it say will boot the new kernel
2900 [19:07:49] <Vizva> 4.9
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2902 [19:07:57] <Vizva> but uname -r give 4.8
2903 [19:08:29] <Vizva> and it have 2 kernel in /boot
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2908 [19:09:06] <Vizva> i did install headers and sources not more
2909 [19:09:48] <jelly> nick297: reinstalling may not help. You can try to create a fresh user, log in gnome as that one. If that works, the thing triggering crashes is limited to Gnome's per-user state in your normal user, not the system
2910 [19:09:48] <Vizva> its not typpycal so i come to this trouble :P
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2917 [19:12:29] <Vizva> i try now delete the older kernels because i dont change it and before make a snapshot
2918 [19:12:34] <jelly> Vizva: do those vbox additions get rebuilt at install time?
2919 [19:13:00] <jelly> ,kernels
2920 [19:13:01] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.2-2); stretch: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.2-2); jessie-backports: 4.8.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.8.15-2~bpo8+2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-1)
2921 [19:13:12] <Vizva> initd
2922 [19:13:15] <Vizva> update
2923 [19:13:19] <Vizva> i will try this
2924 [19:13:19] <jelly> oh, 4.9 has finally landed
2925 [19:13:46] <Vizva> jelly i just add it to /media/cdrom
2926 [19:13:56] <Vizva> i didnt change anything on kernel
2927 [19:14:18] <Vizva> it complain that the kernel headers are not reachable
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2929 [19:14:29] <Vizva> and uname -r give the wrong version
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2931 [19:14:47] <jelly> Vizva: so boot into the newer kernel and it will probably be better?
2932 [19:15:22] <jelly> you'll have matching kernel and headers and vm extensions may be able to build?
2933 [19:16:19] <jelly> Vizva: if you want to be extra extra safe, grab the headers matching your currently booted kernel from snapshot.debian.org
2934 [19:16:40] <jelly> thensee if they build for that one as well
2935 [19:17:26] <Vizva> it boots into the newer kernel
2936 [19:17:35] <Vizva> but uname -r shows the old kernel
2937 [19:17:50] <jelly> Vizva: what does uname -a say?
2938 [19:18:08] <Vizva> moment i reboot it now
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2940 [19:18:22] <greycat> paste the outputs of "uname -a" and "uptime" after you reboot for the umpteenth time
2941 [19:18:28] <dixie7z> jelly: okay... i fixed the problem with fsck and removed quiet from boot... it loads soo fast i cant read anything and then it gives me black screen again... i'm done for today. thank you for your help. what can be my next move to solve this?
2942 [19:18:53] <jelly> dixie7z: see if the machine actually booted and is pingable, or not
2943 [19:18:56] <greycat> disable whatever display manager you have
2944 [19:18:57] <Vizva> umpteenth?
2945 [19:19:00] <Vizva> :)
2946 [19:19:23] <greycat> also see if Ctrl-Alt-F2 brings you to a console
2947 [19:19:30] <Vizva> i think i fix it now
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2951 [19:20:56] <dixie7z> i tried that ctrl alt f2... didnt work... i will ping it tommorow... can i extract some log files that would maybe solve the problem?
2952 [19:21:22] <greycat> It most likely freaks out when your display manager tries to start X, so disable or remove the display manager.
2953 [19:21:33] <greycat> Then you can work on figuring out how to make X not explode.
2954 [19:21:40] <dixie7z> but it doesnt even open recovery mode in grub
2955 [19:22:02] <Vizva> now vboxinstall.og is full lol give me more to htink about
2956 [19:22:29] <Vizva> but update-initramfs -u
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2958 [19:22:36] <Vizva> maybe fix that kernel thing
2959 [19:22:45] <Vizva> last time stretch was not so stretching
2960 [19:23:00] <CrazyTux> how to install Debian Jessie on my new laptop?
2961 [19:23:22] <greycat> !firmware netinst
2962 [19:23:22] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
2963 [19:23:49] <greycat> If your laptop has devices that require non-free firmware, try that.
2964 [19:24:11] <CrazyTux> ok. Can I do the entire installation offline?
2965 [19:24:16] <nick297> jelly, I tried adding a new user now, but I can't log in with it. I couldn't enter a password when creating the user and I can't log in when leaving the password empty. and after rebooting I got a couple of errors. and now the root password on my first account doesn't work anymore as it now needs the second user's password and that doesn't exist...
2966 [19:24:16] <nick297> oh god, I am still laughing, because I'm a nerd and I like weird problems that seemingly don't have a solution, but I don't think I'm ready for anything other than Ubuntu just yet...
2967 [19:24:22] <Vizva> now this log is very big i think i will change back to debian jessie for my works to do
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2969 [19:24:33] <jelly> dixie7z: you may try recovery with no graphical framebuffer, read /msg dpkg nofb
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2971 [19:25:10] <jelly> nick297: uh... how exactly did you try adding it?
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2973 [19:25:41] <jelly> nick297: since your gnome doesn't work right, I assumed you'd log in at the console, become root and use adduser or useradd
2974 [19:25:54] <nick297> jelly, through the Users menu. unlock -> + sign -> name. so still in the GUI
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2976 [19:26:42] <jelly> nick297: yeah... forget about the gui for the moment, Ctrl-Alt-F1 and log in there as root, or as yourself and "su -" or "sudo -i" to root
2977 [19:26:53] <nick297> jelly, I'll try to add a third through the cli
2978 [19:27:07] <jelly> nick297: just set the password for the second one, that ought to be enough
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2982 [19:27:25] <jelly> "passwd usernamehere" as root
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2985 [19:28:05] <jelly> if it's not you can try a third user yes
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2990 [19:29:13] <nick297> jelly, it worked! I enabled User themes without problems
2991 [19:29:24] <CrazyTux> I want to download the iso file and install offline entirely.
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3013 [19:37:22] <CrazyTux> hello, is there any problem with the live images of Debian Jessie 8.7.1?
3014 [19:37:58] <CrazyTux> I was not able to boot from the live usb of Debian Jessie.
3015 [19:38:11] <SynrG> is this the first time you've used a debian live image?
3016 [19:38:37] <towo`> maybe you try on efi
3017 [19:38:44] <SynrG> or that
3018 [19:38:48] <towo`> live-images does not have efi-support
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3021 [19:39:00] <SynrG> yet
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3023 [19:39:35] <teraflops> SynrG: he was told about that several times
3024 [19:40:10] <SynrG> sigh
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3026 [19:41:31] <CrazyTux> I have an old laptop of 32 bits system. I have tried Debian Jessie Live on that and also installed it on hdd once.
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3028 [19:41:45] <wpbro> hi
3029 [19:41:54] <CrazyTux> Now I want to try Debian Jessie the latest version on my new laptop.
3030 [19:41:57] <DeaDSouL_> hi, I have 2 graphics card in my laptop... how can I know which one is being used?
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3032 [19:42:05] <DeaDSouL_> I'm using debian 8
3033 [19:42:06] <CrazyTux> I want to try live usb
3034 [19:42:12] <wpbro> This may seem like a funny or even hard question - but how to achieve this "bumpy" effect like this flag has (the image is very small though)?: replaced-url
3035 [19:42:27] <wpbro> DeaDSouL_: you have one dedicated and one integrated gpu I guess?
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3037 [19:42:38] <DeaDSouL_> wpbro: yes
3038 [19:42:41] <wpbro> notebooks often offer hybrid usage. I would take a look at the closed nvidia drivers
3039 [19:42:45] <jelly> nick297: so I guess you can clean up all the gnome settings from your first user's HOME and you'll be fine. I don't know where they are stored tho, presumably under ~/.config/ but who knows
3040 [19:42:55] <jelly> a gnome person might.
3041 [19:43:00] <CrazyTux> yesterday, I downloaded and created a live usb of Debian Jessie Cinnamon. It was not detected during bootup.
3042 [19:43:01] <wpbro> How can I achieve a bumpy effect on flag, like a button? replaced-url
3043 [19:43:02] <DeaDSouL_> wpbro: it's intel and amd
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3045 [19:43:13] <nick297> jelly, rm -rf /home/username ftw:P
3046 [19:43:15] <towo`> wpbro, i havent's seen him saying anything about nvidia
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3048 [19:43:28] <wpbro> DeaDSouL_: replaced-url
3049 [19:43:29] <jelly> nick297: userdel -r, or deluser
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3052 [19:43:43] <towo`> DeaDSouL_, you can use dri offloading for switching
3053 [19:43:53] <CrazyTux> plese provide me the correct link for live images of Debian Jessie.
3054 [19:43:58] <jelly> nick297: if you don't have anything important in their home, then fine
3055 [19:43:59] <DeaDSouL_> towo`: dri?
3056 [19:44:25] <towo`> DeaDSouL_, direct rendering interface
3057 [19:44:33] <DeaDSouL_> towo`: how to do that?
3058 [19:44:36] <towo`> DeaDSouL_, not able to use a search engine?
3059 [19:44:40] <jelly> CrazyTux: how did you write/burn the image down and to what kind of medium?
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3061 [19:45:03] <jelly> CrazyTux: live images for jessie do not support uefi properly, I think
3062 [19:45:07] <CrazyTux> I used cp command. I used DD also.
3063 [19:45:13] <DeaDSouL_> towo`: every time i use it, i end up with a broken distro
3064 [19:45:20] <towo`> DeaDSouL_, replaced-url
3065 [19:45:36] <DeaDSouL_> thanks
3066 [19:45:37] <nick297> jelly, yes, I did that first. added a user 'temp' and just removed all the users and their home folders and now I'm setting up the original user again. I noticed installed packages are still there, so I'm just going to see how far I come. should I get the same problem, I'll backtrack and try it again. like I said I haven't been able to setup Debian
3067 [19:45:37] <nick297> natively on laptops yet, so it's all part of the learning experience
3068 [19:45:41] <jelly> CrazyTux: is your machine capable of legacy, bios booting?
3069 [19:45:43] <CrazyTux> jelly, then, what is the solution?
3070 [19:45:54] <towo`> CrazyTux, don't us debian live
3071 [19:46:02] <CrazyTux> yes. I suppose.
3072 [19:46:02] <towo`> CrazyTux, use the real install media
3073 [19:46:03] <jelly> CrazyTux: if you want to try jessie live, switch to bios
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3075 [19:46:12] <jelly> CrazyTux: or try stretch instead
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3077 [19:46:38] <Vizva> there is a newer iso for that stretch i will try that
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3080 [19:46:54] <CrazyTux> Jessly, can you suggest any Debian testing based distro that works out of the box?
3081 [19:47:03] <CrazyTux> jelly..
3082 [19:47:24] <CrazyTux> what is Stretch by the way?
3083 [19:47:26] <jelly> CrazyTux: I don't use derivatives really
3084 [19:47:37] <Vizva> the debian 9 not stable
3085 [19:47:41] <Vizva> next version
3086 [19:47:42] <greycat> !stretch
3087 [19:47:43] <dpkg> The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: replaced-url
3088 [19:47:43] <jelly> stretch is codename for current testing
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3091 [19:48:05] <Vizva> the newest nicknames are funny
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3093 [19:48:13] <Vizva> Bullseye for 11
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3096 [19:48:21] <Vizva> and Burcher?
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3098 [19:48:21] <greycat> I don't know what happens when they run out of Toy Story characters.
3099 [19:48:25] <Vizva> Butcher?
3100 [19:48:31] <jelly> well I use grml.org but that's for recovery/forensics/sysadmining not for daily use
3101 [19:48:34] <Vizva> whts the name again for 10?
3102 [19:49:12] <Vizva> Buster
3103 [19:49:19] <Vizva> like Dolly Buster :)
3104 [19:49:22] <jelly> greycat: if Linux still exists then it will be the longest living OS (or kernel) ever?
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3107 [19:50:27] <CrazyTux> where can I find Debian Stretch? Please direct me to that link.
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3109 [19:50:44] <CrazyTux> I am new to Linux.
3110 [19:50:53] <SynrG> no
3111 [19:50:56] <DeaDSouL_> ok, how to determine which driver am I using? the opensource or the proprietary?
3112 [19:51:04] <SynrG> CrazyTux: wait until it is released.
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3114 [19:51:25] <CrazyTux> is it a stable version?
3115 [19:51:30] <SynrG> CrazyTux: no, it is not.
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3117 [19:51:39] <LorD_n1c0w> debian jessie is the stable version
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3120 [19:52:17] <jelly> SynrG: the context was they wanted to try a live image, and jessie live did not work on their system at all (uefi only?)
3121 [19:52:30] <SynrG> jelly: i have the context, yes.
3122 [19:52:37] <Vizva> ESP is uefi?
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3125 [19:52:43] <SynrG> the installer will work fine, though.
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3127 [19:53:18] <nick297> greycat, haha, I never realized the versions are TS characters..! brilliant
3128 [19:53:20] <jelly> I confess I don't know if there's a stretch live preview present at all at this time
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3130 [19:53:45] <SynrG> jelly: wouldn't matter if there were. i wouldn't recommend it to a noob for the same reason i wouldn't recommend installing it.
3131 [19:54:09] <jelly> it's live, harmless to look at
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3133 [19:54:33] <greycat> as long as it doesn't automatically search and mount hard drive partitions...
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3135 [19:54:41] <SynrG> jelly: there are probably some kinds of harm you haven't calcuated, then
3136 [19:54:59] <CrazyTux> has anyone here heard or used Sparky Linux?
3137 [19:55:13] <SynrG> mostly of the "continuing to tie up debian support community resources" variety
3138 [19:55:15] <greycat> or come with a pre-installed rootkit or botnet process...
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3142 [19:55:56] <jelly> SynrG: at some point we have to accept stretch questions and uses here
3143 [19:56:10] <DeaDSouL_> which is preform better and cooler the proprietary driver or the open-source one ?
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3145 [19:56:46] <SynrG> jelly: after there have been public releases, sure
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3148 [19:57:11] <jelly> SynrG: volunteer helpers won't magically appear on the release day
3149 [19:57:21] <SynrG> i've not been impressed so far with the calibre of question asking yet to feel comfortable recommending trying stretch in any form in this specific instance
3150 [19:57:23] <jelly> nor will their knowhow
3151 [19:57:33] <SynrG> in general, i agree with you
3152 [19:57:37] <SynrG> in this specific instance, not
3153 [19:57:43] <jelly> SynrG: they know how to write image with cp!
3154 [19:57:53] <SynrG> unimpressed
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3156 [19:57:59] <jelly> :-D
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3158 [19:58:49] <dixie7z> jelly: please..... linux.hr sec :p
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3161 [19:59:11] <CrazyTux> what kind of inconveniences could be expected in case of a beginner, in using Debian Testing?
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3163 [19:59:58] <DeaDSouL_> never mind... i figured it out.. I'm using the open source driver... but the `xrandr --listproviders` says 'providers: number 1' ... it seems the amd gpu is not enabled...
3164 [20:00:08] <DeaDSouL_> how to tell it to use it ?
3165 [20:00:13] <greycat> CrazyTux: start with stable, please.
3166 [20:00:27] <Vizva> <CrazyTux> something dont work and you cannot find on docs
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3172 [20:00:53] <CrazyTux> greycat, I agree. But, I am not able to create a live usb of Stable that works.
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3175 [20:01:07] <DeaDSouL_> greycat: I could use some help :)
3176 [20:01:11] <greycat> That's because Debian Live is a joke. It's an abandoned project. Stop trying it.
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3179 [20:01:35] <greycat> Especially don't INSTALL from it. The installer included with it is incomplete.
3180 [20:01:45] <Vizva> <CrazyTux> you can try Systemback
3181 [20:01:58] <Vizva> buts not official packagex
3182 [20:02:13] <CrazyTux> why is that? Other distros provide Live images and they work.
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3184 [20:02:23] <towo`> DeaDSouL_, if you use stable, you may need the kernel, drm and mesa from backports
3185 [20:02:24] <Vizva> its to create a sytem and later with systemback create a image of your system
3186 [20:02:39] <Vizva> on usb
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3188 [20:02:48] <towo`> DeaDSouL_, and as long as you tell only prosa, no one can help you real
3189 [20:02:57] <Vizva> but a squash image
3190 [20:03:02] <CrazyTux> ok. I'll wait till Stretch is released.
3191 [20:03:17] <CrazyTux> thank you guys for your help.
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3196 [20:04:30] <SynrG> CrazyTux: the increase in popularity of EFI happened at a time when there was a decrease in manpower to do the work for the live images. so ... fell between the cracks.
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3198 [20:04:44] <SynrG> CrazyTux: next release it will be better.
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3200 [20:04:53] <CrazyTux> ok
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3203 [20:05:08] <CrazyTux> Will try Stretch when it is released.
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3205 [20:05:17] <Vizva> you could use it in a vm - try it
3206 [20:05:21] <Vizva> if you have the time
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3208 [20:05:29] <CrazyTux> which one?
3209 [20:05:42] <greycat> If a live image is so very important to you, you should try other distributions besides Debian.
3210 [20:05:43] <Vizva> but today i face new problem so i cannot reccomen at the time ;P
3211 [20:05:48] <SynrG> boot the live image in a VM, yes. that's possible
3212 [20:05:55] <Vizva> the stretch
3213 [20:05:56] <greycat> Debian has other strengths. A vibrant and viable live image isn't one.
3214 [20:05:59] <SynrG> CrazyTux: e.g. install VirtualBox, boot the live image in that
3215 [20:06:05] <Vizva> ok its more to try
3216 [20:06:07] <CrazyTux> ok
3217 [20:06:11] <SynrG> CrazyTux: it won't test how it will run on your new laptop directly, however.
3218 [20:06:18] <CrazyTux> Where can I find Stretch?
3219 [20:06:26] <Vizva> not so satisfying for using in a normal way
3220 [20:06:45] <DeaDSouL_> towo`: can you give me the packages names that i have to install from backport
3221 [20:06:47] <Vizva> replaced-url
3222 [20:06:47] <greycat> If you have to ask that question, you are not ready to install a pre-release.
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3224 [20:07:11] <CrazyTux> I want to try Stretch. In Virtual Box.
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3228 [20:07:49] <Vizva> if it crash dont mind like a normal system
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3231 [20:07:59] <Vizva> sometimes
3232 [20:08:04] <DeaDSouL_> towo`: if i use the proprietary driver... will it support the hybrid graphics ?
3233 [20:08:13] <Vizva> copy that error messages into google for example
3234 [20:08:21] <Vizva> but i think you shiuld try jessy
3235 [20:08:31] <towo`> DeaDSouL_, who knows, you havn't provide your secret hardware yet
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3238 [20:09:26] <Vizva> <CrazyTux> you nevver tried jessy?
3239 [20:09:31] <CrazyTux> ok. Guys, thanks for your help. Will download Jessie and try. Leaving now. Bye. will come back later.
3240 [20:09:35] <DeaDSouL_> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0116] (rev 09)
3241 [20:09:35] <DeaDSouL_> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Whistler [Radeon HD 6730M/6770M/7690M XT] [1002:6740]
3242 [20:09:44] <DeaDSouL_> towo`: ^
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3244 [20:10:16] <towo`> and no, with the blob you can only use the ati card, and only if you can disable the igpu
3245 [20:10:24] <CrazyTux> Vizva, I tried ..actually installed Jessie
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3247 [20:10:44] <CrazyTux> 32 bit edition on my old laptop.
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3253 [20:11:18] <awal1> mplayer -loop 0 /path/to/audio-file-1 /path/to/audio-file-2 ...-3 ...-4 ... only last file is looped. How to loop all files, from 1 to last?
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3255 [20:11:38] <jelly> awal1: make a playlist and loop that, maybe?
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3258 [20:11:54] <ff_> path to directory
3259 [20:12:04] <somiaj> awal1: this is mplayer2 right?
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3262 [20:12:33] <awal1> jelly, yeah, it's a way
3263 [20:12:34] <jelly> habs: FoolishOwl: are you the same user or just very very much alike?
3264 [20:12:42] <DeaDSouL_> towo`: ok, what do you recommend ? ... the cpu is getting really hot and the fan is so loud if i open any youtube video... even if i swap between apps.. what do you suggest? I really need your help
3265 [20:12:44] <awal1> somiaj, just mplayer (sid)
3266 [20:12:49] <awal1> ,v mplayer
3267 [20:12:50] <judd> Package: mplayer on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+deb7u2; sid: 2:1.3.0-6; stretch: 2:1.3.0-6; wheezy-multimedia: 3:1.1.1-dmo4.wheezy1; jessie-multimedia: 3:1.1.1+20150226+svn37375-dmo5+deb8u3; sid-multimedia: 4:1.3.0~20161223.svn37905-dmo2
3268 [20:12:51] <tomcres> anyone know of a webcam photo-taking app in Debian other than kamoso and cheese? I'd like to avoid pulling in half of GNOME or KDE if possible
3269 [20:12:59] <somiaj> awal1: I thoguht mplayer was removed from debian in favor of mplayer2 or mpv.
3270 [20:13:02] <jelly> awal1: use mpv, it's actually maintained
3271 [20:13:07] <towo`> DeaDSouL_, again, install kernel, drm and mesa from backports
3272 [20:13:09] <jelly> upstream that is
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3274 [20:13:27] <ff_> for example mplayer /music/*
3275 [20:13:36] <DeaDSouL_> towo`: ok.. what is the kernel package name?
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3277 [20:13:51] <apathor> tomcres: streamer -o "screencap.jpeg"
3278 [20:14:03] <jelly> tomcres: guvcview ?
3279 [20:14:08] <awal1> jelly, ok, i'll check mpv with --no-video option
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3281 [20:14:20] <somiaj> ahh nevermind, I was thinking jessie, mplayer was removed in jessie in favor of mplayer2, which I think is also fairly dead upstream and mpv as jelly said is the suggested mplayer fork
3282 [20:14:34] <apathor> err s/screen/webcam/ ... filename doesn't matter
3283 [20:14:34] <greycat> I don't think it's removed....
3284 [20:14:37] <DeaDSouL_> towo`: the one i'm using right now is 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.39-1 (2016-12-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux
3285 [20:14:40] <awal1> somiaj, mplayer is available in sid again
3286 [20:14:49] <jelly> awal1: if you have audio files there's no need for that option?
3287 [20:14:57] <greycat> Oh, maybe I'm actually running mplayer2 and just calling it mplayer.
3288 [20:15:02] <teraflops> tomcres: mpv/mplayer then save a screenshot from the player itself
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3290 [20:15:17] <tables> deb replaced-url
3291 [20:15:19] <jelly> oh good heavens there's mplayer _again_?
3292 [20:15:23] <tables> what is 'deb' from? what package?
3293 [20:15:27] <DeaDSouL_> towo`: is like this: `aptitude install linux-headers-amd64 -t jessie-backports
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3297 [20:15:40] <greycat> There's a thing that I run by typing mplayer, but it calls itself MPlayer2
3298 [20:15:40] <jelly> tables: "deb" is syntax for sources.list
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3300 [20:16:02] <towo`> DeaDSouL_, you should learn some debian basics
3301 [20:16:05] <somiaj> jelly: it appears so, it is in stretch too.
3302 [20:16:09] <tomcres> jelly: guvcview is perfect. thanks. saved me a programming project. :-D
3303 [20:16:13] <towo`> DeaDSouL_, headers != kernel
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3305 [20:16:22] <somiaj> greycat: yea that is what I thought, that was what jessie did, seems they have added mplayer back.
3306 [20:16:25] <tables> root@debian:/home/user/Downloads# deb replaced-url
3307 [20:16:28] <tables> bash: deb: command not found
3308 [20:16:40] <jelly> tables: yes, what you pasted is not a command line
3309 [20:16:50] <somiaj> greycat: though it appears mplayer2 has been removed from stretch, and mplayer2 is a transitional package to mpv, but mplayer is now back.
3310 [20:16:55] <greycat> tables is here? Good grief.
3311 [20:16:57] <somiaj> in jessie mplayer was a transitional package to mplayer2
3312 [20:16:59] <awal1> somiaj, mplayer on sid that's what I use, just apt-get install mplayer, I don't know if it's a fork of an old mplayer or what exactly. aptitude show mplayer 2 "This is a transitional dummy package to get upgrading systems to install the mpv package. It can safely be removed once no other package depends on it."
3313 [20:16:59] <jelly> tables: it's a config line to be added to /etc/apt/sources.list
3314 [20:17:05] <jelly> dpkg, tell tables about sources.list
3315 [20:17:07] <teraflops> tables: e.g mpv tv:// --tv-driver=v4l2 --tv-device=/dev/video0 then press "s"
3316 [20:17:14] <teraflops> tomcres^
3317 [20:17:16] <somiaj> awal1: I'd suggest mpv, but I guess somepeople don't want to get rid of mplayer.
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3319 [20:17:25] <awal1> jelly, i think I wanted to say with mpv without it's pseudo gui
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3322 [20:18:00] <DeaDSouL_> towo`: it would be much easier if you help me and give me the name of the package
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3324 [20:18:26] <awal1> somiaj, I got used to use mplayer for online radio and audio files; mpv for video local / live
3325 [20:18:32] <jelly> awal1: it doesn't open a gui window for me when it give it a whole mp3 album
3326 [20:18:50] <jelly> okay, the whole album is a one hour single mp3
3327 [20:19:14] <ff_> awal1: try mplayer -loop 0 /musicdir/*
3328 [20:19:29] <live> guys, I just created a live usb of a Debian based distro Sparky Linux. I don't have any problem in booting from it on my new laptop.
3329 [20:19:31] <DeaDSouL_> towo`: is it like this: `aptitude install linux-image-amd64 -t jessie-backports` ??
3330 [20:19:40] <somiaj> !sparky
3331 [20:19:40] <dpkg> SparkyLinux is a Linux distribution based on <testing>. It is not supported in #debian or #debian-next. replaced-url
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3333 [20:19:56] <teraflops> awal1: or try a sane player, mpd is fine you can use ncmpcpp
3334 [20:19:58] <somiaj> live: please use sparklylinux.org for support, as that is only based on debian.
3335 [20:20:00] <awal1> jelly, right, no gui; sorry, I said what I said before trying bcuz I never use mpv for audio only
3336 [20:20:23] <towo`> DeaDSouL_, linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 libegl1-mesa-drivers libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx libglapi-mesa libdrm-intel1 libdrm-radeon1
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3339 [20:20:38] <live> ok. I just tested. I think Debian Stable live images don't work on new computers.
3340 [20:20:58] <jelly> live: that is essentially correct
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3342 [20:21:06] <live> I tried MX linux which is a Debian stable based distro. It didn't work.
3343 [20:21:09] <DeaDSouL_> towo`: thanks
3344 [20:21:12] <towo`> DeaDSouL_, and stretch would be the better choice
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3346 [20:21:14] <jelly> and what "doesn't work on UEFI" meant
3347 [20:21:28] <DeaDSouL_> towo`: you mean upgrade to stretch ?
3348 [20:21:28] <live> ok
3349 [20:21:40] <greycat> "I tried foobar, and therefore Debian doesn't work"
3350 [20:21:46] <awal1> teraflops, tried it yet. but I prefer mpv/mplayer/moc bcuz they support local/live streams and both audio&video
3351 [20:22:06] <jelly> live: derivatives may have wildly different live image boot setups, you can't assume anything from the fact a couple derivatives did not work
3352 [20:22:11] <greycat> I mean, yes, we already told you Debian Live is an abandoned project that isn't very good, but still.
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3355 [20:22:32] <greycat> Trying something OTHER THAN DEBIAN and then concluding anything about Debian is ... a logical fallacy that just blows my mind.
3356 [20:22:37] <live> I will wait till Stretch is released and try that.
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3359 [20:23:08] <teraflops> awal1: yeah sorry I meant "e.g" not saying you go use mpd :P
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3361 [20:23:32] <live> I am new here. Just thought of testing and finding what could be the issue with that unworkable live usb.
3362 [20:23:34] <somiaj> live: if you want a live system, you could also try to install stretch, or install jessie with a kernel and drivers from jessie-backports.
3363 [20:23:52] <SynrG> greycat: fsvo "abandoned" :) (it's actively producing new versions of live-wrapper, and there's a maintainer now for live-build who has committed to at least maintenance releases ...)
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3365 [20:23:57] <live> that's too complicated for me.
3366 [20:24:11] <SynrG> greycat: but not an entirely inaccurate characterization
3367 [20:24:12] <live> Will wait for Stretch.
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3369 [20:25:08] <SynrG> more poetically, "a pale shadow of its former self in the glory days"
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3371 [20:25:16] <live> or I will download the installer image of Jessie and install it.
3372 [20:25:21] <live> tomorrow.
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3375 [20:25:55] <jelly> live: are you planning to install on a laptop or something with a wifi?
3376 [20:26:20] <live> jelly, didn't get you.
3377 [20:26:30] <jelly> is you machine a laptop
3378 [20:26:30] <Vizva> whats wrong with jessie
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3380 [20:26:49] <Vizva> and why all peoples think the laster version is a must ;)
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3382 [20:26:57] <live> jelly, yes it is a laptop. Bought it this week.
3383 [20:26:57] <greycat> !sns
3384 [20:26:57] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
3385 [20:27:02] <phogg> I have an nfs mount that comes up as noexec even though I have exec in fstab (last option) and even if I mount -o remount,exec it. Any ideas what might cause this?
3386 [20:27:24] <jelly> live: then you'll probably want to use the unofficial installer images containing non-free firmware
3387 [20:27:31] <jelly> !firmware images
3388 [20:27:32] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
3389 [20:27:39] <live> jelly, will try that.
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3392 [20:28:14] <jelly> instead of wasting time with regular d-i and then more time asking for help on adding firmware
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3394 [20:28:38] <DeaDSouL_> towo`: I still haven't install those packages.. is upgrading to stretch better than installing those packages from backports ??
3395 [20:28:51] <DeaDSouL_> *installed
3396 [20:29:08] <Vizva> i think backports are better
3397 [20:29:53] <DeaDSouL_> Vizva: ok ... i'll go with backports :)
3398 [20:29:55] <Vizva> i tried stretch it have many non closed links
3399 [20:30:08] <somiaj> DeaDSouL_: stretch doens't have timely security support and still has some rc bugs floating around. It is fairly stable, but stable + backports is suggested unless you are willing to deal with limitations while strech freezes.
3400 [20:30:10] <Vizva> someone can fix it buts not worth to start with
3401 [20:30:10] <jelly> DeaDSouL_: if you have to ask, it's not better
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3406 [20:30:58] <DeaDSouL_> i'll stick with stable + backports ... thanks guys :)
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3412 [20:32:31] <live> thanks guys.
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3422 [20:34:09] <DeaDSouL_> ok... replaced-url
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3429 [20:35:22] <thorpeth> Can sombody tell me why i cant connect to freenode from debian irc client only on web?\
3430 [20:35:37] <greycat> possibly because you're on a network that blocks the IRC ports?
3431 [20:35:43] <greycat> are you, for example, at work?
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3433 [20:36:14] <DeaDSouL_> towo`: which one should I select?
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3435 [20:36:32] <Vizva> <DeaDSouL_> you sure its cpu ?
3436 [20:36:34] <somiaj> DeaDSouL_: I would maybe do this in stages, do the kernel seperate from the mesa stuff
3437 [20:36:37] <somiaj> ,v vlc
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3439 [20:36:38] <judd> Package: vlc on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; wheezy-security: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; wheezy-backports: 2.1.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 2.2.4-1~deb8u1; jessie: 2.2.4-1~deb8u1; stretch: 2.2.4-13; sid: 2.2.4-13; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.6-dmo3+deb7u1; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.2.1-dmo3+deb8u1; sid-multimedia: 1:2.2.4-dmo11
3440 [20:36:47] <Vizva> not maybe the gpu got hot
3441 [20:36:57] <somiaj> ,v libgles1-mesa
3442 [20:36:58] <DeaDSouL_> Vizva: yes, `sensors` says so
3443 [20:36:59] <judd> Package: libgles1-mesa on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 12.0.4-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 13.0.3-1; sid: 13.0.3-1; experimental: 17.0.0~rc1-1
3444 [20:37:09] <thorpeth> nope i did a get on it with this client before the new install but now i cant connect to it :S and the wifi is dropping so i have to disconnect it and reconnect to the wifi. i have the same problem with the debian net install that he didnt find the dutch servers for the install
3445 [20:37:19] <somiaj> DeaDSouL_: also looks like you will need libegles1-mesa and libgegls2-meas from jessie-backports as well
3446 [20:37:20] <Vizva> <DeaDSouL_> nvidia?
3447 [20:37:41] <DeaDSouL_> Vizva: no its amd
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3449 [20:38:26] <thorpeth> greycat: im @ home
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3452 [20:38:50] <greycat> so, this "the new install", you did something. what did you do?
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3455 [20:39:49] <Vizva> DeaDSouL_ you did search the web for that problem?
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3457 [20:40:16] <thorpeth> nope just install from usb and the normal installation but dont know why it drop the wifi and cant connect to free node every other server i can connect only not to freenode
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3459 [20:40:25] <DeaDSouL_> Vizva: every time i follow the web suggestions i end up destroying my SO
3460 [20:40:28] <DeaDSouL_> OS*
3461 [20:40:31] <oskie> anyone know a quick fix for this? cifs mount no longer works in 3.16.0-4 (3.16.39-19): cifs: Unknown symbol setattr_prepare (err 0)
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3463 [20:41:19] <DeaDSouL_> somiaj: exactly :) .... replaced-url
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3465 [20:42:22] <awal1> tomcres, yes, 'guvcview' is the standard webcam software non gnome/kde dependents; but there is also a new nice pkg 'webcamoid', similar to cheese but with more features
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3469 [20:43:34] <awal1> ,v webcamoid
3470 [20:43:35] <judd> Package: webcamoid on amd64 -- sid: 7.2.1+dfsg1-4; stretch: 7.2.1+dfsg1-4
3471 [20:43:44] <Vizva> nouveau is a troublemaker for me
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3473 [20:44:23] <Vizva> because i got hot cpu too with
3474 [20:44:38] <oskie> oh. quick fix is reboot
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3476 [20:44:43] <rs> how would i remove the gnome desktop enviroment and all the applications that rolled in with it, which was all installed during the initial installation? I've tried "aptitude purge -P '~ngnome'" but that won't take care of all those pulled in apps.
3477 [20:44:55] <jelly> ,i webcamoid
3478 [20:44:56] <judd> No package named 'webcamoid' was found in jessie/amd64.
3479 [20:44:59] <jelly> ,v webcamoid
3480 [20:44:59] <judd> Package: webcamoid on amd64 -- sid: 7.2.1+dfsg1-4; stretch: 7.2.1+dfsg1-4
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3486 [20:46:41] <dontknow> rs, remove "gnome" metapackage and after that autoremove
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3488 [20:46:55] <somiaj> rs: it kinda depends on how they were installed. removing the metapackage task-desktop-gnome or gnome-core should remove everything else after that.
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3490 [20:46:58] <DeaDSouL_> Vizva: how did you fix it ?
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3492 [20:47:21] <somiaj> rs: note if you have manually installed other software which depends on gnomelibs (not uncommon) those wno't be removed since you have manually installed other software that needs it.
3493 [20:47:37] <rs> somiaj: whatever gnome installed would have happened during the installation "desktop enviroment". gnome specifically.
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3495 [20:47:40] <Vizva> install proprietary software
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3497 [20:47:57] <Vizva> nvidia and bumblebee
3498 [20:48:00] <dontknow> :|
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3501 [20:48:39] <Vizva> it did affect my cpu got stalls , the nouveau
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3503 [20:48:43] <somiaj> rs: that installs task-desktop-gnome or some metapackage like that, removing that metapackage should remove everything that it installed (that you have not manually installed at a later time or manually installed something else that depends on them)
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3507 [20:49:01] <somiaj> rs: sorry, package is task-gnome-desktop
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3509 [20:49:15] <rs> somiaj: i haven't installed anything other than what the installer did with the selection of "desktop enviroment". id like to roll it back and use a window manager only without needing to uninstall each of those apps one by one or reinstalling debian
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3511 [20:49:19] <oskie> reboot really does do miracles
3512 [20:49:35] <rs> somiaj: awesome, thanks!
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3515 [20:49:50] <tomcres> ,v corebird
3516 [20:49:51] <judd> Package: corebird on amd64 -- sid: 1.4.1-1; stretch: 1.4.1-1
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3520 [20:50:36] <DeaDSouL_> Vizva: ok, i'm searching the web .. and i tried this command 'glxheads` and it shows that the AMD is the one whos rendering ... so the problem is with the cpu... it's very easy to get very hot
3521 [20:50:45] <DeaDSouL_> is there any optimization for it?
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3525 [20:54:53] <newbie22> hello, I am going to take the Comptia Linux+ certification. Does anyone have any suggenstions for study guides?
3526 [20:55:06] <newbie22> *:hello, I am going to take the Comptia Linux+ certification. Does anyone have any suggenstions for study guides
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3530 [20:56:50] <Raineer> i used replaced-url
3531 [20:56:54] <Raineer> those worked for me
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3533 [20:57:12] <Raineer> i took the LPIC-1 but same difference
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3536 [20:58:15] <somiaj> newbie22: maybe ask in ##linux, this channel is more specific on debian support, not certification
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3546 [21:02:10] <Heston> newbie22, I'd start reading here replaced-url
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3553 [21:06:50] <somiaj> Heston: newbie22: or the handbook, replaced-url
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3557 [21:08:20] <Heston> somiaj, that handbook is indexed at replaced-url
3558 [21:08:26] <somiaj> ahh
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3568 [21:13:16] <moncrey> looking for a little guidance regarding key remapping. xmodmap -pke > .xmodmap, then modifying that file, doesnt seem to have any effect
3569 [21:13:44] <moncrey> trying to swap my L_Control and Caps_Lock
3570 [21:13:58] <somiaj> moncrey: xmodmap is for key modifiers, keys is a bit different.
3571 [21:14:34] <somiaj> oh seems it does keys too, nevermind me
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3574 [21:15:24] <somiaj> moncrey: after you created and modifed that file, did you load it, 'xmodmap .xmodmap'?
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3576 [21:15:45] <moncrey> will try again. i had done that in the past. one sec
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3579 [21:16:54] <Heston> moncrey, are you using a DE? It might take precedence over those values
3580 [21:17:09] <somiaj> moncrey: replaced-url
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3584 [21:17:33] <somiaj> moncrey: since ctrl is usually used as a modifer, the second answer seems address this
3585 [21:17:35] <moncrey> thats what i had been using. i'll go back and see if somehow i missed a detail.
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3587 [21:17:40] <moncrey> oh. okay thank you
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3593 [21:20:35] <Pr0metheus> is there a way to see if my usb ports are working as 3.0?
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3595 [21:22:22] <somiaj> Pr0metheus: dmesg should tell you what driver is loaded, the usb3 driver is not the same as usb2
3596 [21:22:34] <somiaj> if it is about a paticulr device, when you plug in the device it should say what driver(s) are being used
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3599 [21:23:41] <Pr0metheus> thanks for the info, it is a pci card i have installed
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3601 [21:23:52] <somiaj> shoudln't matter if it is pci or onboard
3602 [21:24:28] <Pr0metheus> dmesg is long:)
3603 [21:25:13] <moncrey> if you plug something into it, it will show up at the bottom of dmesg
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3605 [21:25:24] <moncrey> ...the next time you run it
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3609 [21:26:04] <Pr0metheus> ok let me do this
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3612 [21:26:41] <Pr0metheus> the driver is xhci_hcd?
3613 [21:26:42] <somiaj> Pr0metheus: yea, easy way is plug a devince into the usb part, then demsg | tail (it will be at the end)
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3617 [21:27:15] <somiaj> yup, that is the usb3 driver, now check if a usb3 device actually gets the correct speed with that last comment.
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3619 [21:28:03] <Pr0metheus> i don't see anything more
3620 [21:28:29] <somiaj> you will see more info about the device that is plugged in, as opposed to just the ports.
3621 [21:28:33] <somiaj> or should
3622 [21:28:37] <Pr0metheus> replaced-url
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3626 [21:29:54] <somiaj> Yup, it looks like it is using the usb3 driver
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3628 [21:30:13] <Pr0metheus> i guess if it would run as usb2 it would use the usb2 driver
3629 [21:30:14] <somiaj> not most newer andriod devices don't use usbmass storage and use some mtp protocol which is kinda just slow, despite usb3
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3632 [21:30:43] <somiaj> on my andriod (LG G3) I have to use developermode to get a transfer protocol that has any speed
3633 [21:30:46] <somiaj> mtp is just slow
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3635 [21:30:57] <Pr0metheus> yeap true
3636 [21:30:59] <Pr0metheus> noticed it also
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3688 [21:54:53] <cantus> will icedove renamed back as thunderbird?
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3700 [21:59:53] <zykotick9> cantus: replaced-url
3701 [21:59:54] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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3705 [22:02:14] <unborn> ,v npm
3706 [22:02:15] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- stretch: 1.4.21+ds-2; jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 1.4.21+ds-2
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3714 [22:08:40] <balor> If I start /usr/bin/X as root on the command line, is the DISPLAY name 0:0?
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3716 [22:09:44] <Brigo> balor, 0:0 is the default one, yes.
3717 [22:10:20] <balor> Brigo, thanks. Am getting errors using xview to connect to DISPLAY=0:0 :(
3718 [22:10:47] <greycat> Don't run X as root. Don't start X by running "X". Start it by running "startx". But not as root.
3719 [22:11:19] <balor> greycat, yeah, am aware of that. Thanks. It's a quick hack.
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3749 [22:25:23] <jb_> --help
3750 [22:25:32] <jhutchins_wk> Wow, an hour to download the netinst.
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3759 [22:27:49] <jhutchins_wk> jb_: did you have a question?
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3794 [22:42:48] <carp_> Hi. I have a fresh debian jessie install. Im browsing the web and several times now, my mouse freezes. Can still type though. I have to restart and then it works again. Its plugged into usb port.
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3800 [22:43:29] <mtn> carp_: have you tried all of your usb ports?
3801 [22:43:31] <carp_> A strange thing that happened just now after the mouse froze, I pressed ctrl alt del to try and restart. it started counting down from 60 seconds..
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3814 [22:44:45] <carp_> went down to 50, then 40, then went BACK up to 60. It then started counting down again, got to 30, then firefox popped to the front, the IRC tab, asking me if I want to leave the page, then a second later it froze. I had to press the restart button on the front of the machine.
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3817 [22:46:02] <carp_> is that countdown thing, going back up to 60 something I should be really worried about?
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3819 [22:46:18] <Heston> carp_, that sounds like xscreensaver
3820 [22:47:08] <Heston> just a timer before it removes the login box
3821 [22:47:12] <carp_> mtn: hi, i havent tried using different usb ports yet. It seems to work consistently everytime I turn the machine on. if the mouse freezes again, I will plug into different ports.
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3827 [22:48:44] <Heston> carp_, try different ports and check dmesg
3828 [22:48:58] <carp_> Heston: the 60 second count down is part of gnome3, i am new user to debian, so im not sure if the timer going back to 60 is something that is really dodgy and i should be worried about or not.
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3830 [22:49:25] <Heston> carp_, you can switch to another terminal to check dmesg if the mouse stops working
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3832 [22:49:49] <Heston> with Ctrl+Alt+F2
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3834 [22:49:57] <graps> Hi all
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3836 [22:50:28] <carp_> Heston: im taking notes. dmesg, switch to 2nd terminal with ctrl, alt, f2. OK thanks for the quick tips :)
3837 [22:50:38] <Heston> carp_, hmm I don't use gnome3 so i couldnt say
3838 [22:51:01] <jhutchins_wk> carp_: Wired or wireless mouse?
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3841 [22:52:04] <carp_> jhutchins_wk: its wired, (an old rollerball thing without a scroll wheel). I have xp on the same machine dual boot. I have used the same mouse in the same port for years. And its seems to work fine still on the xp machine.
3842 [22:52:43] <Heston> did you try unplugging the mouse and then back in before rebooting?
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3844 [22:53:21] <carp_> Heston: nope i didnt unplug it.
3845 [22:53:35] <carp_> its working at the moment again, now that ive rebooted.
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3855 [22:56:26] <jhutchins_wk> carp_: I had one of my USB hubs (on board) go bad and it acted something like that, like the mouse was going to sleep.
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3866 [22:59:23] <carp_> jhutchins_wk: ok. hmm, i have a feeling its not hardware because the mouse works on the xp boot.
3867 [23:00:11] <Heston> xp...can you still get updates for that with the registry hack?
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3872 [23:00:45] <carp_> Heston: i dont use the xp machine online, only for some old programs and games.
3873 [23:00:58] <carp_> i dont know (to answer the question)
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3875 [23:01:06] <Heston> ah, makes sense
3876 [23:01:40] <Heston> well, next time the mouse stops, check dmesg and try reseating the cable
3877 [23:01:48] <Heston> go from there
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3880 [23:02:47] <carp_> im looking up dmesg. is this to run after booting up?
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3883 [23:04:21] <Heston> carp_, it prints kernel messages to your terminal
3884 [23:04:30] <greycat> (to stdout, technically)
3885 [23:05:27] <carp_> Heston: im a nooby, so when the mouse goes and i cant look up what to type in from the debian wiki, im kind of stuck and have to reboot.
3886 [23:05:49] <greycat> "when the mouse goes"??
3887 [23:06:21] <carp_> greycat: my mouse is going unresponsive. happened a few times on this fresh debian jessie install.
3888 [23:06:22] <Heston> yeah, it helps to have another computer or cellphone with internet
3889 [23:06:49] <carp_> ah yes, well thankyou very much for the tips guys.
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3893 [23:08:50] <Heston> no problem
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3914 [23:16:51] <Pelle`> Yo, dont know if i should ask here on in mint... i got a server running debian 8 and on that i got a share which i have mounted on my pc running mint. when i create folders in the mounted network share from my pc the folders get no owner etc so i cant really do anything with the folder i have just created, is there a way around this?
3915 [23:17:22] <greycat> Mounted how? NFS? Version 3, version 4?
3916 [23:17:58] <greycat> The use of the word "folder" also scares me.
3917 [23:17:58] <Pelle`> trough fstab //192.168.1.160/raid /mnt/raid cifs auto,_netdev,x-systemd.automount,credentials=/home/pelle/.raid,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 0
3918 [23:18:11] <greycat> Not NFS. Windows CIFS bullshit. Fun. Good luck.
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3920 [23:18:39] <greycat> (Just what I expected when I saw the word "folder".)
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3924 [23:19:10] <Pelle`> ... what a jolly fella you are then :)
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3938 [23:25:36] <LambdaComplex> How difficult it to get SELinux running on Debian 8? selinux-policy-default isn't available, apparently
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3943 [23:28:12] <jim> hmm, you're right, selinux-policy-default seems to have missed debian 8; it was in 7 and it's in testing
3944 [23:28:28] <jim> maybe you can backport it from testing
3945 [23:29:06] <jim> (-but- if that's missing, what else could be missing)
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3948 [23:29:30] <LambdaComplex> right. i honestly don't know enough about selinux to know what all i need. seems there's other packages with "selinux" in the name that are missing too
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3951 [23:29:48] <LambdaComplex> and manually backporting sounds potentially painful
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3955 [23:31:39] <LambdaComplex> jim: i assume if the one in testing would "just work" then it would've already been put in jessie-backports. is that a safe assumption?
3956 [23:31:43] <dysfigured> LambdaComplex: remember that backport script i gave you
3957 [23:31:56] <LambdaComplex> dysfigured: ...vaguely
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3961 [23:33:54] <dysfigured> replaced-url
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3963 [23:34:29] <dysfigured> you just need deb-src's for testing/unstable/experimental/etc
3964 [23:34:46] <LambdaComplex> dysfigured: perhaps vim should be replaces with "$EDITOR" or "$VISUAL"
3965 [23:34:52] <dysfigured> probably
3966 [23:35:01] * LambdaComplex is helping :D
3967 [23:35:50] <SynrG> you can't assume anything about the inclusion/non-inclusion of any given package in backports
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3969 [23:36:59] <LambdaComplex> SynrG: does that mean i can't assume something in jessie-backports will actually work with a stable jessie system?
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3974 [23:38:26] <dysfigured> LambdaComplex: technically, anything outside of your release isn't considered "safe" but you're usually okay with it
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3979 [23:39:49] <dysfigured> backports repo is a "use at your own risk" kind of thing. i'd wager 99% of the time they're not gonna 'cause you problems, assuming their built against libs from stable, or depend on newer libs from backports (that are also built against stable)
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3990 [23:44:01] <jim> it's a good idea to find out why selinux-policy-default isn't in deb 8
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4033 [23:59:02] <burnthishome> Hi, Im trying to apt-get install php5 but im getting this error:E: Package 'php5' has no installation candidate, I've already apt-get updated, upgraded, and dist-upgraded. Not sure what the issue is
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