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6 [00:01:50] <wholeApple> Heston: but LVMs are like: I have a file that is 2GB, I have 1GB on partition A and 1GB on partition B, so I'll LVM-them to have enough space,right?
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16 [00:03:53] <Heston> wholeApple, LVMs offer more than that. Snapshots being the most relevant to what you want. They remove a lot of limitations from standard msdos partition tables too.
17 [00:04:19] <wholeApple> Heston: thanks
18 [00:04:27] <wholeApple> Ok, take care!!
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32 [00:09:29] <unborn> ,v php
33 [00:09:30] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+45; sid: 1:7.0+49; stretch: 1:7.0+49
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36 [00:10:26] <unborn> ,v apache
37 [00:10:28] <judd> No package named 'apache' was found in amd64.
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43 [00:11:29] <Henry151> hi
44 [00:11:39] <LtL> v, apache2
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47 [00:11:56] <Henry151> i'm on a dell E6410 and can't find my built-in webcam
48 [00:11:59] <Henry151> any advice?
49 [00:12:09] <LtL> ,v apache2
50 [00:12:10] <judd> Package: apache2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u7; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u5; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u7; stretch: 2.4.25-1; sid: 2.4.25-2
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53 [00:12:14] <LtL> doh
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60 [00:13:56] <LtL> Henry151: try as root 'dmidecode |less' is should show up
61 [00:14:12] <LtL> Henry151: 'q' to quit
62 [00:14:13] <unborn> LtL: i know.. i was just making sure, that I can read judd on channel as I am filtering out some stuff
63 [00:14:19] <unborn> and thanks
64 [00:14:36] <LtL> unborn: my pleasure
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66 [00:15:50] <unborn> now I should be able to work :)
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74 [00:19:08] <unborn> ,v irrsi
75 [00:19:09] <judd> No package named 'irrsi' was found in amd64.
76 [00:19:19] <unborn> clear
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78 [00:20:02] <zykotick9> ,v irssi
79 [00:20:03] <judd> Package: irssi on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.8.15-5; wheezy-security: 0.8.15-5+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 0.8.17-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 0.8.17-1+deb8u1; jessie: 0.8.17-1+deb8u3; jessie-backports: 0.8.20-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.8.20-2+b1; sid: 1.0.0-1
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84 [00:25:12] <Henry151> LtL: I think I see it
85 [00:25:40] <Henry151> there's an onboard device,
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87 [00:25:58] <Henry151> reference designation "Onboard IGD" and type "Video"
88 [00:26:10] <Henry151> status "disabled"
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90 [00:26:33] <Henry151> how do I enable it/do you think that is it?
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116 [00:39:53] <LtL> Henry151: i would assume thats it, but no idea how to enable. anything about firmware in 'dmesg'?
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118 [00:40:21] <LtL> Henry151: google that phrase
119 [00:40:44] <monoglets> how can I use the package screen to avoid connection lost when installing a package in the server?
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124 [00:47:23] <missmbob> monoglets: you read a tutorial. replaced-url
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137 [00:53:30] <monoglets> missmbob: thank you very much
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141 [00:56:30] <zykotick9> monoglets: if you are just starting out, you also might want to consider tmux as an alternative to screen. they basically do the same things, tmux is just a lot "newer"... food for thought ;)
142 [00:57:22] <m3k> what's better with tmux?
143 [00:57:44] <somiaj> a lot, screen has some limitations, but for simple use they are about the same.
144 [00:57:58] <somiaj> I have mouse support with tmux inside of xterm to switch between windows for isntance
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146 [00:58:23] <zykotick9> somiaj: or resize windows ;)
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148 [00:59:25] * zykotick9 notes tmux's switching windows can even be achieved outside of xorg by using fbterm... but he wouldn't actually "recommend" doing it ;)
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154 [01:02:09] <Akuw> hi guys
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158 [01:03:45] <missmbob> i feel like "greybeard reviews tmux" should not only be a relevant google search but a hilarious video that conveys how i feel about tmux
159 [01:05:03] <zykotick9> missmbob: personally, my biggest complaints with tmux are the non-copyleft and high-apple-developer-concentration... but to each there own. screen still support serial, tmux doesn't!
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161 [01:05:22] <monoglets> zykotick9: thanks
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164 [01:06:34] <drm> does anyone know the recommended way to set the JAVA_VERSION environment variable for debian? I can hard code it in /etc/profile, but i would like to make it so that, if in the future i change to a different version of java, the java version updates in tandem, instead of having to go back and change the hard coded value
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168 [01:08:19] <somiaj> drm: you the alternative system? I think the debian java packages do this already
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172 [01:09:28] <somiaj> drm: though I'm not exactly familar with this variable, is this to set what java certain apps will use?
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174 [01:10:21] <awal1> ,v byobu
175 [01:10:22] <judd> Package: byobu on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.16-1.1; wheezy-backports: 5.87-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 5.87-1; stretch: 5.87-1; sid: 5.112-1; stretch: 5.112-1
176 [01:10:33] <somiaj> drm: also not finding much info on this variable.
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178 [01:11:26] <drm> somiaj, yeah, there is a project im trying to work on that has a bash script that queries for the java version, but when i echo it it doesnt exist
179 [01:11:43] <drm> i followed this wiki to install openjdk8 replaced-url
180 [01:11:51] <somiaj> and it uses an env variable over running 'java --version'?
181 [01:12:01] <drm> but apparently the call to update-java-alternatives doesnt create this variable
182 [01:12:13] <drm> somiaj, yeah, 'java --version' works fine
183 [01:12:16] <somiaj> I'm not use to using variables to query for a javaversion
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186 [01:12:29] <somiaj> you could put, JAVA_VERSION=`java --version`
187 [01:12:33] <somiaj> if it outputs the same string
188 [01:12:44] <drm> ahhh, that might work
189 [01:12:46] <drm> lemme try that
190 [01:12:47] <drm> thx
191 [01:13:15] <somiaj> though I think the script should be doing this, checkig for a version from an enviorment variable seems strange. Now a script storing the version in a string using a commad like I put there won't be as strange
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193 [01:13:25] <somiaj> are you sure the script isn't setting this variable, as opposed to you need to set it?
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196 [01:14:55] <drm> somiaj, its the script for starting up scala,
197 [01:15:13] <drm> it only gets the JAVA_VERSION var, never sets it
198 [01:15:22] <drm> so it seems to expect it to already exist
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209 [01:21:19] <monoglets> how can I remove all the packages installed by iredmail?
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212 [01:22:36] <somiaj> removing the package should be sufficent, unless it installed stuff that is suggested/recommended by other packages, that stuff will stay installed.
213 [01:22:46] <somiaj> if using apt-get, you'll have to run apt-get autoremove afterwards
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218 [01:27:54] <Atm0spher1c> how do I find all the bot commands in here?
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222 [01:29:28] <somiaj> drm: still seems strange, I'm finding reference to JAVA_VERSION on scala's site either. You may want to confir with their community as to what this variale is supose to do and why it is supsoe to be set.
223 [01:29:32] <bazhang> via /query
224 [01:29:43] <somiaj> Atm0spher1c: what do you mean 'install all the bot commands'?
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226 [01:29:55] <somiaj> Atm0spher1c: do you want a copy of the bot? The database? Are you talking dpkg or judd?
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229 [01:30:47] <somiaj> Atm0spher1c: replaced-url
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233 [01:32:57] <implijer_> hey.I'm wondering about /etc/apt/source.list. As default debian is choosing http/ftp over https/ftps/ssh protocol. Why that ? To "clear" transition like that on a network could lead to dangerous thing,nah ? Like getting the DNS name at the renwal of it, and try to push my own filled with malwares ? ... Ho I think I get it. Gpg signature would avoid that ?
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236 [01:33:46] <Atm0spher1c> somiaj: i just noticed judd is a bot. find bot commands, not install.
237 [01:34:23] <TomTomTo1> !tell implijer_ about secure apt
238 [01:35:07] <implijer_> TomTomTo1, got that
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244 [01:37:33] <Atm0spher1c> implijer_: you can use apt-transport-https, and mirror that uses ssl like kernel.org
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248 [01:38:30] <implijer_> My first concern was to know why debian chose a not-encrypted way to do stuff while it didnt seem overkill to do it x)
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307 [02:16:02] <Fauve> Hello people o/
308 [02:16:10] <Fauve> Please, how can I install pygame for python3 ?
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314 [02:17:54] <somiaj> Fauve: is there a python3 version of it?
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318 [02:18:06] <Fauve> I didn’t find it.
319 [02:18:09] <somiaj> Fauve: i'm only seeing the python-pygame for python2
320 [02:18:16] <Fauve> I try with pip but it bugg.
321 [02:18:18] <somiaj> I mean outside of debian, in debian I don't see a python3 version
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323 [02:18:38] <missmbob> "Pygame 1.9.2 supports Python 3.2 and up"
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327 [02:19:48] <missmbob> so, yeah, you're just too early to the game.
328 [02:20:23] <missmbob> swear i didn't do that on purpose :P i'm just stupid
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330 [02:21:15] <Fauve> Oh,
331 [02:21:19] <Fauve> It work with pip3.
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333 [02:21:28] <Fauve> I had to install: python3-dev python3-setuptools python3-numpy python3-opengl libav-tools libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev libsdl-ttf2.0-dev libsmpeg-dev libsdl1.2-dev libportmidi-dev libswscale-dev libavformat-dev libavcodec-dev libtiff5-dev libx11-6 libx11-dev fluid-soundfont-gm timgm6mb-soundfont xfonts-base xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi xfonts-cyrillic fontconfig fonts-freefont-ttf
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447 [03:52:26] <ghormoon> hi, any hint on commandline tool (preferably in repos) that could extract images from pdf? (one image per pdf, dump scanner doing pdf per page)
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450 [03:55:32] <awal1> ghormoon, pdftk (+pdfchain as gui front-end) is a great tool for manipulate pdf stuff; check it if it suites your needs
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454 [03:59:58] <awal1> ghormoon: also you have pdfimages utility, provided by 'poppler-utils'
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456 [04:00:51] <ghormoon> thanks, I'll try to figure something out
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465 [04:04:18] <doverZ> Hi there, have a question/need if anyone here knows a name, a website, or anything would be pleased cos i havent found anything yet very usable and which is more important simple and secure... I'm searching for alternatives about making LIVE CD/DVD from the current installation on disk, now ive tried systemback and refracta tools but wanted to know if there is a script or smth simple and auditable or another gui like systemback..
466 [04:04:18] <doverZ> sorry for this brick :p
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484 [04:12:53] <missmbob> monoglets: you read a different tutorial. replaced-url
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535 [04:45:37] <monoglets> missmbob: thanks
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552 [04:55:32] <ocmsRzr> hi, for the last three weeks my 20gb root partition has been giving me low space errors fluctuating between 100mb free and 900 mb free. Today the system was completely locked up because there were 0 bytes free. I attached a usb hard drive to back up the home partition and reinstall debian, by the time I finished backing up my important data, my root paritition is showing 4gb free and all the symptoms are gone
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554 [04:56:43] <ocmsRzr> what could cause this? should I be worried about someone having access to the machine? I don't have an ssh server running on it, but I haven't taken steps to lock it down either
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556 [04:57:44] <missmbob> was there a reboot in between there?
557 [04:57:59] <ocmsRzr> yes
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559 [04:58:43] <missmbob> items in /tmp (for example) get deleted automatically when reboots happen. that's on posibility
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561 [04:59:05] <missmbob> one*
562 [04:59:11] <ocmsRzr> I deleted /tmp and /var/tmp manually before rebooting, df -h was still reporting 0 bytes available
563 [04:59:12] <epsilon> or a process had a big file opened, which was intended to be deleted
564 [04:59:33] <ocmsRzr> how would I investigate that?
565 [04:59:34] <missmbob> ocmsRzr: you doing rm and having the kernel release it are very different things
566 [04:59:44] <ocmsRzr> oh
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570 [05:00:34] <ocmsRzr> so I deleted all the temp files, but the kernel didn't see that until it was rebooted and now I've got 4gb freed up?
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574 [05:01:27] <missmbob> ocmsRzr: yes
575 [05:02:27] <ocmsRzr> ok, is 20gb enough space for the root partition anymore? I haven't reinstalled for years and when I did the recommended size was 10-15gb so I thought 20gb would give me tons of space to grow into
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577 [05:04:51] <missmbob> ocmsRzr: sure. my current laptop is using 13 so 20 is plenty
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579 [05:05:23] <Heston> depends what you use your system for really
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581 [05:05:40] <ocmsRzr> I wonder what the 4gb was being used for
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583 [05:06:08] <Heston> an advantage to LVMs is you could grow your root partition if you had more physical space
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591 [05:08:34] <ocmsRzr> should I reinstall debian? I don't really want to because I've got to the point where I rarely need to install packages
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593 [05:09:09] <ocmsRzr> on the other hand, I'm in a work situation where I can't really lose days to figuring out why my root partition is full
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595 [05:10:38] <Heston> ocmsRzr, well you can investigate current filesystem usage with du
596 [05:10:54] <missmbob> i dont see a reason to reinstall anything. just keep your eyes open this time instead
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598 [05:11:32] <ocmsRzr> ok
599 [05:11:39] <ocmsRzr> thanks for the help, I was pretty worried
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602 [05:12:24] <RayzrShrp> anybody have a link to a current install guide for snort and jessie?
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604 [05:12:44] <somiaj> ,v snort
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606 [05:12:46] <judd> Package: snort on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.9.2.2-3; sid: 2.9.7.0-5; stretch: 2.9.7.0-5
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608 [05:13:10] <somiaj> RayzrShrp: it was removed from jessie for some reason, you can check the package tracker as to why, or try to backport it yourself fomr stretch.
609 [05:13:19] <somiaj> ,check-backport snort
610 [05:13:22] <judd> Backporting package snort in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libdaq-dev.
611 [05:13:32] <somiaj> looks like you'll have to backport some libs too
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623 [05:20:56] <Atm0spher1c> somiaj: i was refering to the bot commands. Is there a list somewhere?
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625 [05:21:49] <somiaj> Atm0spher1c: did you read the two links I gave you.
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627 [05:23:03] <Atm0spher1c> got it thanks
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636 [05:32:27] <kingsley> I'd like to install a certain Python module.
637 [05:32:41] <kingsley> It's web page says to use the "pip" command.
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639 [05:33:07] <kingsley> However, I really like Debian's native system administration tools, like apt-get.
640 [05:33:18] <kingsley> What should I do?
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642 [05:33:39] <kingsley> Run pip and be eternally cursed?
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649 [05:36:26] <Weeezy> kingsley, from what I can see it's just a python tool. It's not going to replace apt-get is it?
650 [05:36:38] <Atm0spher1c> kingsley: you could use pythons virtualenv to create isolated python environments.
651 [05:36:46] <Heston> what would be the easiest way to browse the available non-free drivers for jessie? I'm not presently using jessie
652 [05:37:01] <Atm0spher1c> kingsley: or build a debian package, which could be more difficult
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654 [05:37:26] <Atm0spher1c> Heston: what are you using?
655 [05:38:01] <Heston> I dont see why that matters but im running wheezy
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657 [05:38:37] <Atm0spher1c> Heston: replaced-url
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659 [05:38:51] <Heston> I already searched there
660 [05:38:54] <kingsley> Weeezy: I agree that pip doesn't replace apt-get. Sorry if I suggested otherwise. My concern is that Debian's tools and pip keep different records and I may end up with incompatible code. If not right away, in the future.
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663 [05:39:13] <Heston> i dont believe it indexes non-free or contrib either im guessing
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665 [05:40:16] <Atm0spher1c> Heston: it does, its listed in the drop down 'section'
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667 [05:40:53] <Atm0spher1c> kingsley: use virtualenv
668 [05:41:22] <kingsley> Atm0spher1c: I'm researching virtualenv now...
669 [05:41:35] <Heston> Atm0spher1c, you're right..I used the wrong search area
670 [05:41:42] <Heston> thanks
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672 [05:42:36] <missmbob> virtualenv is a must
673 [05:42:43] <missmbob> !virtualenv
674 [05:42:43] <dpkg> well, virtualenv is a python development environment that's separate from global system installed binaries and libraries. replaced-url
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680 [05:45:13] <Heston> I'm having some major wlan instability will the iwlwifi driver in wheezy
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683 [05:46:15] <Heston> with*
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687 [05:48:11] <Logg> Is there a way to replace the "command not found" error with a more accurate "you need root to run this command" error?
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689 [05:48:53] <somiaj> Logg: use full paths to the commands and you won't have to worry about that.
690 [05:49:06] <Logg> "haha" somiaj
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693 [05:49:43] <Atm0spher1c> Heston: you try the backport?
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697 [05:49:59] <somiaj> if the command is not in $PATH, the shell isn't going to look for it elsewhere. So it won't know if the command is just not on your system or the binary is located elsewhere.
698 [05:50:53] <Logg> maybe it should. I would like a shell that even sudos for me
699 [05:50:55] <missmbob> somiaj: i think Logg meant the package command-not-found
700 [05:51:02] <missmbob> ,i command-not-found
701 [05:51:03] <judd> Package command-not-found (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: Suggest installation of packages in interactive bash sessions. Version: 0.2.38-1; Size: 12.7k; Installed: 144k
702 [05:51:14] <somiaj> missmbob: ahh there is already a script for this...silly me
703 [05:51:23] <Logg> Thank you missmbob <3
704 [05:51:48] <Heston> Atm0spher1c, I haven't. I didn't know there could be backports for proprietary drivers
705 [05:51:52] <somiaj> the description seems to suggest that is for looking for the command in the repo, not other parts of your system.
706 [05:52:08] <n4dir> and that is what it does
707 [05:52:33] <n4dir> well: iirc. :-)
708 [05:52:53] <missmbob> it is
709 [05:53:16] <Logg> Well. that's not exactly what I want, but it would solve at least one confusion. Getting "command not found" means I have to check spelling, check sudo, and make sure it's installed
710 [05:53:29] <n4dir> don't remember it knows anything bout being root or not root, only proposes to install a missing command
711 [05:53:35] <Logg> I would like "command not found" to only be an error if I misspell a command
712 [05:54:02] <Rusty1_> Heston: dmesg might suggest disabling ipv6
713 [05:54:12] <n4dir> the command is not found, i agree with somiaj that i can't think of an easy way to figure out if a command is found on someone elses path
714 [05:54:40] <somiaj> well that would kinda defeate the purprose of $PATH, but I guess if it was just an error handler that knew to look in /sbin, etc
715 [05:55:16] <Logg> Alright, well I was just wondering if this was a solved problem or not, of having to check 3 things when you get the same error message
716 [05:55:30] <Logg> thanks for command-not-found, I'll install that and only have to check 2 things
717 [05:55:35] <n4dir> i never heard of such Logg, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist
718 [05:55:57] <Heston> Rusty1_, that's an interesting thought. Any idea why that would help? Dmesg isnt recommending anything but this is what it looks like replaced-url
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720 [05:56:00] <n4dir> as far typos are concerned: command-completion and history-completion are a bless in that regard
721 [05:56:13] <Logg> Yeah, I tab complete a lot
722 [05:56:28] <Heston> I'm getting disconnected a couple times every 10 minutes and everyone else in the house isnt having problems
723 [05:56:32] <Logg> history-completion sounds cool though. I do a lot of "history | grep [...]"
724 [05:56:36] <Heston> singal strength is high
725 [05:56:53] <n4dir> now that i think of it: such a thing (that command exists, but must be run as root) would be pretty cool
726 [05:57:07] <missmbob> Heston: yeah, but it's wheezy. hell even jessie has backported wifi drivers.
727 [05:57:20] <Logg> Maybe they would accept it as a pull request in command-not-found
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729 [05:57:40] <Logg> I'll have to look into the project
730 [05:57:40] <n4dir> Logg: you need to edit /etc/inputrc to enable history completion, debian had it commented out, last time i checked. Very cool for really long and confusing commands
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732 [05:58:03] <Logg> Yeah I've got a few of those that vary just enough that I can't make aliases for them easily
733 [05:58:16] <n4dir> oh. well: or that.
734 [05:58:19] <n4dir> :-)
735 [05:58:49] <n4dir> ah, you can't. ok, search in inputrc for alternate mappings for yady-yada history
736 [05:58:58] <n4dir> to complete use page-up, not tab
737 [05:58:59] <Heston> missmbob, I just dont understand how a closed source driver is backported, so I didnt know they existed
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742 [06:00:15] <somiaj> Heston: what driver are you using? closed source? Or just the firmware is closed?
743 [06:00:55] <missmbob> ,v firmware-iwlwifi
744 [06:00:57] <judd> Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; stretch/non-free: 20160824-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-2~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20161130-2; stretch/non-free: 20161130-2
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746 [06:00:59] <Heston> well im using firmware-iwlwifi specifically
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748 [06:01:41] <somiaj> that is just the firmware, the driver is open and in the kernel. wheezy-backports should have a newer kernel and firmware. You could also consider upgrading to jessie
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750 [06:02:07] <Heston> ah, I understand
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752 [06:02:26] <Heston> Will I need to upgrade the kernel too to use the backported firmware?
753 [06:02:39] <Heston> driver*
754 [06:02:44] <somiaj> yes
755 [06:02:50] <Heston> damn..
756 [06:02:54] <somiaj> you kinda want firmware/kernel to match.
757 [06:03:01] <missmbob> Heston: is there a reason not to upgrade this to jessie?
758 [06:03:02] <Heston> im using wheezy specifically for the older kernel
759 [06:03:26] <missmbob> well that fucks shit up :P
760 [06:03:29] <Heston> I was having hard lockups that I couldnt track down
761 [06:03:33] <somiaj> you could invest in another wifi card that is supported with that kernel then....if indeed the problem is the card is a bit too new for the kernel.
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764 [06:04:24] <Heston> one is in the mail
765 [06:04:49] <Heston> I just wasnt having this problem in jessie
766 [06:04:58] <missmbob> you checked the chipset with whatever old kernel your using?
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770 [06:05:31] <missmbob> Heston: yeah, that makes sense. thus my "yeah, it's wheezy" comment.
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772 [06:05:43] <Heston> hmm, checked in what way?
773 [06:05:59] <CrazyTux> hello, I want to install Debian Jessie on my new laptop. Which flavour would you suggest?
774 [06:06:00] <Heston> existing bug reports?
775 [06:06:18] <somiaj> CrazyTux: what do you mean by flavour?
776 [06:06:21] <iflema> CrazyTux: gnome
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779 [06:06:38] <Logg> I like awesomewm if you feel crazy
780 [06:06:40] <somiaj> Heston: or just check the chipset against what the wiki says is supported with the kernel in wheezy
781 [06:06:42] <missmbob> Heston: make sure the chipset you have in the mail is supported by your kernel version?
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788 [06:07:19] <CrazyTux> I downloaded Jessie with Cinnamon yesterday and created a live usb. But, when I tried to boot from that I was not successful.
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790 [06:07:39] <somiaj> CrazyTux: is your goal to install debian, if so the installers are better to use than the live images
791 [06:07:39] <iflema> eww
792 [06:07:48] <Heston> ohh, well im quite sure it is. It's an old atheros chipset endorsed by libreboot
793 [06:07:49] <CrazyTux> Even when boot was successful, mouse pointer was unresponsive.
794 [06:07:57] <missmbob> CrazyTux: how did you try to create this usb?
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796 [06:08:05] <Heston> as for this one. I've never had issues with it in the past
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798 [06:08:15] <CrazyTux> I used unetbootin.
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800 [06:08:20] <missmbob> !unetbootin
801 [06:08:20] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
802 [06:08:47] <missmbob> cruel and unusual ways indeed
803 [06:09:10] <CrazyTux> I have created the live usb again. Need to test it now.
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805 [06:09:35] <missmbob> CrazyTux: you didnt read any of that, did you?
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807 [06:09:48] <CrazyTux> But, I want to know, is Cinnamon well integrated with Debian Jessie? As well as other DEs?
808 [06:09:49] <Logg> write it to a DVD if possible. you'll get the least problems
809 [06:10:02] <Logg> Cinnamon works fine in debian
810 [06:10:14] <yhf> hi, I have two monitors and how to enable 'sticky edge' when mouse crossing monitors
811 [06:10:19] <CrazyTux> I just downloaded Xfce also.
812 [06:10:41] <iflema> gnome or i3
813 [06:11:25] <CrazyTux> But, when I tested in Virtual Box Cinnamon worked fine there.
814 [06:11:31] <iflema> o\
815 [06:11:41] <missmbob> CrazyTux: did you actually read what the bot said?
816 [06:11:47] <Heston> ah so appearently the older driver has a bug for N-mode
817 [06:12:58] <CrazyTux> yes. I created the live usb with someother application this time. Not unetbootin.
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819 [06:13:13] <missmbob> CrazyTux: do you mind telling us which?
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821 [06:13:17] * iflema swears VMs, sudo, grub etc where introduced by the enemy... with a smile
822 [06:13:41] <CrazyTux> Startup Disk Creator.
823 [06:13:54] <iflema> live cds even... lool
824 [06:14:26] <CrazyTux> I don't have CDs or DVDs. Will have to rely on pendrives only.
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826 [06:14:50] <Logg> There's an exe you can run to install debian
827 [06:15:00] <awal1_> CrazyTux: if you are using windows use 'win32diskimager', if another gnu/linux OS, just use 'cp'
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829 [06:15:14] <iflema> cinnamon to boot
830 [06:16:01] <CrazyTux> awal1, I am using Xubuntu in my old laptop.
831 [06:16:07] <missmbob> Logg: thankfully that's long dead unless you're using xp
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833 [06:16:26] <awal1_> CrazyTux, debian iso is already a bootable one, just copy it to your usb
834 [06:16:39] <missmbob> CrazyTux: so use cp like the install guide says. sudo cp foo.iso /dev/sdX;sync;
835 [06:16:56] <Logg> missmbob: I think it's still in the project, you can just double click an exe and it inserts "install debian" in the windows bootloader
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837 [06:17:27] <CrazyTux> ok. Liked Debian with Cinnamon a lot and want to install it on my new laptop.
838 [06:17:28] <missmbob> Logg: yeah it's in the project. kind of useless in 2017 when it just supports xp, though.
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840 [06:17:41] <Logg> think it worked for me on windows 7
841 [06:17:54] <Logg> must have gotten updated
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843 [06:19:07] <CrazyTux> btw, what's the difference between a fedora or fedora based distro and Debian?
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846 [06:19:18] <CrazyTux> which is easier for a beginner?
847 [06:19:23] <Logg> debian is more stable
848 [06:19:36] <missmbob> most basic difference is package management.
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850 [06:20:11] <CrazyTux> ok. Which package management is better? which one has more packages available?
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853 [06:20:55] <n4dir> in a debian channel most people will probably prefer the debian packagemanagement. ...
854 [06:21:00] <iflema> deb and deb?
855 [06:21:03] <iflema> XD
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857 [06:21:32] <Logg> ubuntu has the most packages and support in general. I think mint is best for a beginner. But you won't go wrong on Debian for sure
858 [06:21:48] <Logg> I tried fedora a while ago, it was okay.
859 [06:21:51] <CrazyTux> ok
860 [06:21:59] <iflema> Jessie is in a good place
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862 [06:22:53] <CrazyTux> there is one more distro by name Korora. Saw it yesterday on distrowatch.com
863 [06:23:00] <awal1_> CrazyTux: debian have powerful tools for pkg management: dpkg, apt, apt-get, aptitude...; and 40000+ pkgs available. fedora just have yum and maybe 10000 pkgs or less :P
864 [06:23:14] <missmbob> try them all in a vm. but do it silently. this is offtopic and annoying :P
865 [06:23:24] <Logg> Try whatever you want Tux, I settled on debian for its stability
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867 [06:23:34] <CrazyTux> ok. I like Debian too.
868 [06:23:54] <awal1_> only debian is followed by gentoo (+/- 20000 pkgs
869 [06:24:03] <n4dir> oh.
870 [06:24:06] <CrazyTux> for stability and security. More than anything, for the Debian Social Contract.
871 [06:24:26] <n4dir> CrazyTux: who the bloody hell cares about debian. A good speech.
872 [06:24:39] <CrazyTux> yes. I have seen it.
873 [06:24:46] <awal1_> debian is most stable, followed by slakware & gentoo :P
874 [06:24:52] <n4dir> ah, sorry. didn't want to bug you
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876 [06:25:00] <CrazyTux> Debian has to continue and grow.
877 [06:25:33] <awal1_> debian have 1000 + devs/maintainers; fedora maybe 50 :P
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880 [06:26:19] <CrazyTux> yes.
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885 [06:26:50] <awal1_> Crazytux, repeat after me: debian is the best GNU/Linux OS ourt there!
886 [06:26:56] <awal1_> :D
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888 [06:27:30] <CrazyTux> yes. Debian is the best GNU/Linux.
889 [06:27:37] <awal1_> :D
890 [06:27:55] <CrazyTux> ok, guys. Let me try Debian cinnamon. See you later.
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897 [06:29:34] <missmbob> awal1_: were you being serious about size or just having a joke?
898 [06:29:58] <awal1_> missmbob: size of what?
899 [06:30:20] <missmbob> awal1_: fedora developers
900 [06:30:42] <awal1_> missmbobz: that's what I read 1 or 2 years ago
901 [06:30:53] <awal1_> they have only a few devs payed by redhat
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903 [06:31:14] <awal1_> other are like community "amateurs"
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905 [06:31:42] <awal1_> if not wrong, redhat only have around 1000/2000 pkgs in it's main repos
906 [06:31:57] <awal1_> same for suse
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908 [06:33:33] <awal1_> if you check bugzilla, almost all fedora bugs are "closed, end of release"
909 [06:33:49] <awal1_> they have no time/people for fix stuff
910 [06:33:51] <missmbob> fedora 25 has 18917 in repos. your numbers are just wrong. but i dont care since we should stop talking about it anyway
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912 [06:35:42] <awal1_> I may be confused with suse. well, I dont know redhat repos well; something like arch main vs aur, they have much less in main. anyway; not important :P missmbob
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914 [06:37:09] <awal1_> no one is comparable to debian; that's sure
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916 [06:37:27] <missmbob> damn straight
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918 [06:37:38] <n4dir> depends what you want
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920 [06:38:42] <awal1_> also the most important is available binaries (for end user); my numbers refers to that
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927 [06:39:59] <n4dir> some praise gentoo, for the good control you are in (they would say no other compares to it). I for one am not much in the mood to compile all the time ...
928 [06:40:25] * iflema global warming and all...
929 [06:40:30] <n4dir> mainly that
930 [06:40:32] <n4dir> :-)
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1017 [07:51:14] <MarcoNL> Hi Guys, I'm trying to setup a new preseed script to install a bunch of customer servers for the next coming months. For some reason I can't figure out the right way to create a raid1 array over 2 SSD disks with debian jessie. When I google this, I get loads of examples, but all diffirent. I think I tried them all by now, but none of the works as it should
1018 [07:51:24] <MarcoNL> anyone care to help me out a little bit here?
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1020 [07:51:41] <MarcoNL> Or at least point me to the right direction
1021 [07:52:07] <kfrz> Hi, I have a problem. I just installed Windows 10 on my hard drive that held an old Debian installation (located at sda) and my working Debian install is at sdb. After installing Windows, I'm unable to boot into my Debian install, in fact it doesn't even show up as a disk. I managed to get into it by using REFIND on a USB but after following instructions on Debian docs /replaced-url
1022 [07:52:26] <kfrz> I can't seem to see it in the nvram entry
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1024 [07:53:04] <kfrz> Now I'm sort of stuck and frustrated. I know the install is all still there and I need to do something with the MBR but wish I could somehow just have REFIND or Grub2 back with a "windows 10" option
1025 [07:53:26] <kfrz> Any help on this is much appreciated and can be paid back in the form of gourmet PB&J
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1070 [08:26:48] <n1b> Does anyone else remember the good old days of linux?
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1072 [08:27:13] <dynek> kernel panics?
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1074 [08:27:26] <n1b> software lacking in the respo
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1078 [08:29:08] <buu> ok friends
1079 [08:29:19] <buu> sudo apt-get install -t jessie-backports zfs-dkms
1080 [08:29:23] <buu> E: Unable to locate package zfs-dkms
1081 [08:29:32] <buu> where did zfs go?
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1084 [08:30:15] <missmbob> it's in contrib
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1087 [08:30:36] <buu> what
1088 [08:30:42] <buu> oh
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1090 [08:31:09] <buu> I didn't realize that was still a thing. What other sections are there?
1091 [08:31:26] <missmbob> main contrib non-free
1092 [08:31:41] <buu> Well ok then.
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1095 [08:32:40] <buu> oh god
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1098 [08:34:03] <buu> It's all gone horribly wrong
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1101 [08:36:30] <MarcoNL> Isn't there really anyone with experience with preseed scripts?
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1106 [08:39:14] * wlan3 needs help sending mail from an script.
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1108 [08:40:02] <buu> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libuutil1linux_0.6.5.8-2~bpo8+1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
1109 [08:40:02] <dpkg> buu: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
1110 [08:40:03] <wlan3> Is there some way to send it without a local mta?
1111 [08:40:05] <buu> trying to overwrite '/lib/libuutil.so.1.0.1', which is also in package libuutil1 0.6.5.7-8-wheezy
1112 [08:40:08] <buu> It is too dpkg
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1114 [08:40:23] <buu> wlan3: sure, make a tcp connection to a mta
1115 [08:40:29] <buu> *smtp server
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1118 [08:41:04] <missmbob> this, kids, is why is dont *mix* releases
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1121 [08:41:10] <wlan3> buu: anything easier than telnet for that?
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1125 [08:42:37] <GPenguin> maybe not the most clever way but i would "apt-get purge" that package, clean cache and then install it again
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1127 [08:43:16] <buu> GPenguin: Yeah, I didn't purge as thoroughly as I should ahve
1128 [08:43:21] <buu> wlan3: uh.. yes?
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1130 [08:43:33] <buu> I mean, for one thing telnet is for talking to telnet servers not mail servers
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1132 [08:44:43] <wlan3> buu: I know, I just cannot seem to find an "smtp client" that isn't a "relay MTA"
1133 [08:44:54] <buu> uh
1134 [08:44:56] <buu> `mail`
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1136 [08:45:26] <buu> Or just use an actual programming language
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1138 [08:46:04] <GPenguin> buu: would you still use perl for buubot? :P
1139 [08:46:42] <themill> wlan3: you need to define the scope of your problem a little better. Sending mail to a local user? Sending via a properly administered mail server? Sending a simple email? Sending a complicated email with attachments?
1140 [08:47:29] <buu> GPenguin: Unless someone was paying me, yes.
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1142 [08:47:42] <GPenguin> hehe :)
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1148 [08:51:07] <buu> Like even if I didn't enjoy the language so much it just has tooling that's so far ahead of anyone else's
1149 [08:52:18] <buu> p.s. rocketraid cards taking literally 2 minutes to scan for connected disks is *hilarious*
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1158 [08:58:38] <jelly> buu: a /usr/bin/mail implementation relies on the local MTA for actual delivery
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1162 [08:59:26] <wlan3> themill: Yeah, sorry. Simple one-liner log warning, send to a properly administered mail.
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1167 [09:00:36] <themill> wlan3: then using /usr/bin/mail to give it to a local MTA that hands it off to the right server would be the normal way
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1171 [09:01:26] <wlan3> themill: That's what I'd do if I could convice boss to install something like msmtp
1172 [09:02:07] <themill> dma or nullmailer would probably be simpler choices
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1186 [09:13:55] <wlan3> Well, bye
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1197 [09:19:50] <n1b> When I'm trying to install debian I keep getting this error replaced-url
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1203 [09:23:33] <n1b> I'm trying to use Xfree86 but it says my video card is not supported
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1205 [09:23:56] <Mava> was wondering, why is my box connecting - quite frequently - to metadata.ftp-master.debian.org ?
1206 [09:24:25] <grawity> n1b: I don't think XFree86 supports any hardware from the last 10 years
1207 [09:24:31] <grawity> n1b: is there a specific reason you need it over Xorg?
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1211 [09:29:21] <missmbob> that made me question my soberity
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1289 [10:06:47] <ilushka4> Guys, I'm really frustrated, crontab won't execute any command
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1291 [10:07:07] <ilushka4> even */1 * * * * echo "test" (if it's correct)
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1297 [10:09:17] <Stummi> ilushka4, where you you look if it works?
1298 [10:09:44] <ilushka4> Stummi, what do you mean?
1299 [10:09:57] <grawity> where are you expecting to see "test"
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1301 [10:10:07] <ilushka4> sudo crontab -e
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1304 [10:10:28] <ilushka4> grawity, sorry, I have a python script which should pop a message on the screen
1305 [10:10:32] <Stummi> ilushka4, "crontab -e" shows your crontab file itself. Crontab won't write "echo" minutely into this file after that
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1307 [10:10:57] <Stummi> ilushka4, there may be your problem already. have you proper access to X, and DISPLAY exported?
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1318 [10:14:34] <ilushka4> Stummi, if I understood you correctly, i have an access to the python script and I execute it manually without problems
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1338 [10:22:32] <Hestben> ilushka4: The question is, what output do you expect? With a simple echo command, you get an output in the terminal, when executing it, but a cron job does not have a terminal set
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1340 [10:23:45] <Hestben> ilushka4: If you are outputting to the screen with something like 'notify-send', you need to properly configure the displaying of the message.
1341 [10:24:22] <afx_> hello ! Can someone help me with this replaced-url
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1344 [10:25:35] <ilushka4> Hestben, hi, the python script uses tkinter to display a message box on the screen. I run the script manually without problems, but crontab doesn't execute it for some reason
1345 [10:26:15] <Hestben> ilushka4: Are you sure the script is not executing? Touch a file in the script, or output to some temp file.
1346 [10:27:12] <missmbob> he's really just not understanding the concept of exporting DISPLAY
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1348 [10:27:45] <CrazyTux> how to create debian live usb using cp?
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1350 [10:27:52] <CrazyTux> command?
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1353 [10:28:22] <missmbob> CrazyTux: sudo cp foo.iso /dev/sdx;sync;
1354 [10:28:50] <CrazyTux> do I need to copy and paste this in terminal?
1355 [10:28:55] <missmbob> yes
1356 [10:29:14] <missmbob> edit sdx accordingly
1357 [10:29:25] <CrazyTux> I have the image file downloaded on my hdd.
1358 [10:29:50] <CrazyTux> what is sdx?
1359 [10:29:50] <missmbob> i know. that's "foo.iso"
1360 [10:30:01] <missmbob> the drive path
1361 [10:30:18] <missmbob> probably sdb or sdc
1362 [10:30:25] <CrazyTux> ok. But, do I need to replace foo.iso with anything?
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1364 [10:30:30] <malacozoan> Don't forget to unmount /dev/sdx first
1365 [10:30:36] <CrazyTux> ok
1366 [10:30:37] <missmbob> the real name of the iso
1367 [10:30:51] <CrazyTux> ok. let me try.
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1373 [10:32:06] <CrazyTux> I have the iso image copied on the desktop now.
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1376 [10:34:42] <CrazyTux> foo.iso has to be replaced with the path of the iso file?
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1387 [10:39:22] <awal1_> CrazyTux, what is the exact path to your debian iso and your usb drive?
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1389 [10:40:46] <awal1_> paste the output of "lsblk" (paste.debian.net)
1390 [10:41:07] <ilushka4> Hestben, i'm sure it's not executing :(
1391 [10:41:09] <CrazyTux> ok. I got it. I created the live usb. let me test it.
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1393 [10:41:31] <CrazyTux> will come back if it doesn't work.
1394 [10:41:32] <ilushka4> This is the command: "*/1 * * * * /usr/bin/python3.4 /home/ilushka/Desktop/edx-c/status.py"
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1402 [10:44:48] <Hestben> ilushka4: Is there a syslog entry about it not working?
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1405 [10:45:08] <Hestben> ilushka4: is the cron daemon running?
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1407 [10:45:47] <Hestben> ilushka4: Have you tried to write another simple script (such as that "echo" you mentioned?)
1408 [10:45:47] <daemon> I am starting to really regret this nickname
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1410 [10:46:25] <ilushka4> Hestben, root 8392 1 0 10:48 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/cron -f
1411 [10:46:26] <ilushka4> , seems like working
1412 [10:46:35] <missmbob> awal1_: you seem to be able to get through to some people when i've tried a dozen times and they keep ignoring. please somehow get them to see they need to export DISPLAY for that cronjob to work properly
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1424 [10:50:51] <awal1_> missmbob: 4:50 am here; time to zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. have a good day/night there :P
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1445 [11:03:30] <ilushka4> i just can't understand this. why crontab cannot execute scripts while I can manually?
1446 [11:03:43] <ilushka4> cron log doesn't show anything
1447 [11:03:48] <ilushka4> and it's running
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1449 [11:05:32] <noc_> it does, you are not connecting to the graphical X server, in other words: if more than 1 user session is active, how can your scrpt choose which one to display itself on?
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1451 [11:05:51] <Hestben> ilushka4: and a simple script like "echo horse > /path/to/file" doesn't work either?
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1453 [11:06:12] <noc_> missmbob pointed you to the solution above
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1455 [11:06:28] <RoyK> any idea where I can find linux-image-extra? Docs seem to say it's in the standard repos, but I can't find it...
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1458 [11:07:17] <ilushka4> Hestben, actually it works, and this makes me very confused
1459 [11:07:33] <missmbob> RoyK: that's an ubuntu thing
1460 [11:07:49] <ilushka4> Hestben, I even tried to run the commend in a .sh file and then put it into the crontab instead of the python script
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1462 [11:07:56] <Hestben> ilushka4: Then, as many people have pointed out, it looks like you have not set up a display properly
1463 [11:07:57] <RoyK> missmbob: oh
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1465 [11:08:19] <Hestben> ilushka4: Like the second answer in replaced-url
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1467 [11:08:41] <Hestben> "env DISPLAY=:0.0" or something like that
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1469 [11:10:02] <GPenguin> does your script have a proper shebang line?
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1479 [11:14:31] <ilushka4> GPenguin, yes, #!/usr/bin/python3.4
1480 [11:14:31] <babilen> RoyK: What are you trying to do?
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1484 [11:18:31] <s48899> Hello, I'm in the library and trying to create a bootable usb stick. But the device owner is root, so can't be written. Does that depend on the OS here or on the current format of the stick, ie can I chown it at home (how?). It did work when the stick was new
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1490 [11:20:13] <missmbob> s48899: right. that's why in the install guide it includes the use of sudo when creating a usb stick
1491 [11:20:35] <s48899> I don't think I could sudo last time either
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1495 [11:23:02] <s48899> on Suse, btw. At home I had to write as root, but I really don't think that's related to how the stick is mounted here
1496 [11:23:11] <s48899> *at home on debian
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1499 [11:23:44] <s48899> maybe the suse installation in the library changed is my best guess
1500 [11:24:12] <noc_> maybe you were already root (su) or the script/GUI sudo'ed automatically
1501 [11:25:10] <babilen> s48899: You have to be root (or have comparable capabilities) in order to directly write to the USB stick's block device
1502 [11:25:14] <s48899> I don't think dd has suid set :)
1503 [11:25:22] <malacozoan> lol
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1505 [11:27:54] <babilen> s48899: I'd use cp, but would be surprised if that had suid set
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1511 [11:31:43] <liveuser> hello..I wanted to use Debian Jessie Cinnamon on my new laptop. Tried creating the live usb with multiple applications. The live usb was not detected.
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1513 [11:32:29] <s48899> so, what did you try_
1514 [11:32:33] <liveuser> But, I could create a live usb of other distros like Korora, Mint successfully and they were detected.
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1516 [11:32:53] <liveuser> is Debian stable Jessie not suitable for new laptops?
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1518 [11:33:06] <s48899> liveuser: maybe you forgot to (re)enable usb in the boot sequence
1519 [11:33:40] <liveuser> I tried cp command, unetbootin, startup disk creator and etcher.
1520 [11:33:57] <liveuser> No. It is enabled by default.
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1522 [11:34:25] <s48899> liveuser: ok, because I change that after installation and sometimes forget to reenable
1523 [11:34:37] <s48899> liveuser: not all isos are suitable for booting from usb
1524 [11:34:52] <liveuser> Moreover, I just created a live usb of korora and am using it now. Didn't change any boot sequence.
1525 [11:34:52] <s48899> cinnamon remix is probably not officially supported
1526 [11:35:03] <s48899> I know that it works with the official netinstall images
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1528 [11:35:55] <liveuser> I tried creating Debian Cinnamon by using at least 3 or 4 applications. Was not successful.
1529 [11:36:11] <missmbob> liveuser: start over. all of the programs you listed except cp are known to break debian hybrid isos.
1530 [11:36:41] <liveuser> I used cp also.
1531 [11:36:46] <missmbob> liveuser: so cp foo.iso /dev/sdx;sync (note it's sdx, NOT sdx1)
1532 [11:37:34] <s48899> you can still install cinnamon from the repos with a regular jessie install (if cinnamon is in the repos)
1533 [11:37:41] <liveuser> yes. I know.
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1535 [11:38:03] <Iridos> hm, surely there are tools in debian to look at a database graphically? how'd I search for those
1536 [11:38:07] <liveuser> ok. Regular means what?
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1538 [11:38:33] <JohnTitor> Iridos: which database engine?
1539 [11:38:43] <Iridos> postgresql
1540 [11:39:44] <s48899> liveuser: well jessie != jessie cinnamon i suppose
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1542 [11:39:57] <missmbob> liveuser: do you have secureboot enabled? debian images do *not* support that
1543 [11:40:24] <JohnTitor> ,v pgadmin
1544 [11:40:25] <judd> No package named 'pgadmin' was found in amd64.
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1546 [11:41:10] <liveuser> missmbob, don't know about that. what I have to do if secureboot is enabled?
1547 [11:41:16] <Iridos> that'd b pgadmin3
1548 [11:41:17] <Iridos> be*
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1550 [11:41:47] <missmbob> liveuser: disable it in your boot setup menu
1551 [11:41:48] <Allen_Oaks> if it isn't the debian users
1552 [11:41:52] <JohnTitor> Iridos: hmm
1553 [11:42:12] <Allen_Oaks> Don't forget to add a picture to your grub bootloader! hehe!
1554 [11:42:24] <JohnTitor> Iridos: yeah pgadmin3
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1556 [11:42:42] <liveuser> ok. Need to check.
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1558 [11:42:59] <liveuser> Which is the default Debian DE?
1559 [11:43:12] <JohnTitor> gnome iirc
1560 [11:43:35] <Allen_Oaks> hexchat is great for using IRC!
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1562 [11:44:38] <s48899> Allen_Oaks: #debian-offtopic?
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1564 [11:46:35] <Iridos> will have a look, thanks
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1568 [11:47:08] <liveuser> ok
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1571 [11:47:27] <liveuser> let me check whether secure boot is enabled.
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1573 [11:47:39] <s48899> so i'll try to reformat the stick (to fat) before I reformat the stick with the install image. *sigh*
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1577 [11:48:29] <Allen_Oaks> mkfs.vfat what a great utility! boy i sure do love GNU/LINUX
1578 [11:48:34] <liveuser> to which the pendrive to be formatted to create a Debian live usb?
1579 [11:48:41] <liveuser> which file system?
1580 [11:48:53] <missmbob> nothing. iso images have their own filesystem included
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1583 [11:49:15] <liveuser> ext4 would be ok?
1584 [11:49:32] <missmbob> it really couldn't matter less
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1587 [11:49:45] <liveuser> shall I try Cinnamon now or some other DE?
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1589 [11:50:39] <n4dir> !best
1590 [11:50:40] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
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1592 [11:51:05] <n4dir> that is: i see no reason not to try Cinnamon
1593 [11:51:14] <Allen_Oaks> liveuser what are you trying to accomplish?
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1595 [11:51:43] <liveuser> Allen_oaks, just want to install and use Debian stable.
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1598 [11:52:15] <Allen_Oaks> Oh well in that case, try and use DD it's great!
1599 [11:52:20] <liveuser> I need some convenient DE on Debian Jessie. And I think Cinnamon would be great.
1600 [11:52:23] <s48899> liveuser: i just said that because fat32 doesnt save file permissions (i guess), so linux wouldn't figure the stick is owned by root
1601 [11:52:39] <Allen_Oaks> dd if=isofile.iso of=/dev/sda bs=4k
1602 [11:52:44] <Allen_Oaks> make sure you format first!
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1604 [11:52:48] <Henry151> Hello folks. what I am trying to do is setup a toughbook CF-30 so that whatever wifi network it is connected to, if it has internet access, I will be able to ssh into it remotely. Any input into that project? I have three CF-30's and want to set them each up this way
1605 [11:52:59] <liveuser> ok. Format to which file system?
1606 [11:53:05] <Allen_Oaks> fat32
1607 [11:53:17] <liveuser> ol
1608 [11:53:18] <Allen_Oaks> sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sda <-- Your USB
1609 [11:53:20] <liveuser> ok
1610 [11:53:24] <missmbob> s48899: no. iso has it's own filesystem in it and you're writing to the block device, so the current fs on the usb gets errased no matter what it is
1611 [11:53:30] <missmbob> jesus
1612 [11:53:51] <liveuser> ok. then, no formatting needed?
1613 [11:53:55] <missmbob> correct
1614 [11:53:56] <Allen_Oaks> no
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1616 [11:54:08] <Allen_Oaks> i'd format if i were you
1617 [11:54:09] <s48899> missmbob: the stick currently is ext4, but ext4 couldn't care less who created it, right? the OS only mounts the stick as root, because there are root owned files on there, I guess
1618 [11:54:10] <TomTomTosch> and only write to /dev/sda if you know that's the correct drive.
1619 [11:54:17] <TomTomTosch> Allen_Oaks: that makes no sense.
1620 [11:54:28] <Allen_Oaks> ?
1621 [11:54:31] <liveuser> ok. let me try that.
1622 [11:54:39] <TomTomTosch> the drive gets overwritten anyway.
1623 [11:54:40] <liveuser> thanks guys for your help.
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1625 [11:55:02] <Allen_Oaks> Hey i'm no expert, but i've made a few bootable sticks in my day!
1626 [11:55:08] <TomTomTosch> good for you.
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1628 [11:56:10] <n4dir> s48899: the OS doesn't mount a stick as root because the files on the stick are owned by root. Not sure how exactly automounting handles it, but for me the stick is mounted by whoever i mount it.
1629 [11:56:39] <Allen_Oaks> Yeah i do love GNU/LINUX
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1633 [11:58:59] <babilen> cp is faster than dd by default (as it scales blocksize automatically)
1634 [11:59:35] <babilen> I also find "cp /path/to/debian.iso /dev/sdX" to be easier to type than "dd if=/path/to/debian.iso of=/dev/sdX"
1635 [11:59:57] <colo-work> babilen, does it? I was under the impression that it just hard-codes to 32k?
1636 [12:00:18] <malacozoan> I always calc a max blocksize for dd, and use the same to verify the on-device data back against image checksum
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1638 [12:01:12] <malacozoan> debian .iso files are always a nice round bs=1M
1639 [12:01:13] * malacozoan hugs
1640 [12:01:19] <grawity> hmm last time I tried cp it didn't auto-scale
1641 [12:01:24] <grawity> pv might
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1643 [12:01:58] <grawity> malacozoan: there's always `head -c` >_>
1644 [12:02:35] <malacozoan> grawity: yes! :)
1645 [12:02:53] <grawity> also `pv`
1646 [12:03:18] <babilen> colo-work: Ah, that seems to be the case, even though it is not 32K anymore -- replaced-url
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1648 [12:03:49] <colo-work> babilen, interesting. thanks for digging that up :)
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1650 [12:04:13] <missmbob> doesnt change the basic fact that what he said was correct. "cp faster by default"
1651 [12:04:19] <malacozoan> Linux seems to do pretty well with the default bs=512, *BSD always benefit from a larger BS though.. 512 is plain painful on *BSD
1652 [12:04:20] <colo-work> yup
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1654 [12:04:33] <colo-work> 512 is painful _everywhere_
1655 [12:04:37] <malacozoan> lol true
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1661 [12:05:41] <liveuser> no. Secure Boot is not enabled on my laptop.
1662 [12:06:05] <missmbob> liveuser: you really need to give us the exact cp command you're using
1663 [12:06:54] <liveuser> ok. I am logged in Korora live boot now. Will log out and come back again.
1664 [12:07:27] <liveuser> But, strangely Korora live usb doesn't have any problem in booting.
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1669 [12:08:00] <missmbob> two fucks could not be given
1670 [12:08:09] <liveuser> I have a new laptop. Asus X540L.
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1672 [12:08:35] <missmbob> i'm not going to be able to ever get you to paste the exact cp line you used to create the debian usb, am i?
1673 [12:08:42] <babilen> colo-work: I'm glad you mentioned it .. haven't read the source before and must have picked it up somewhere.
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1675 [12:08:48] <EtherHub> Hi. I am wondering, does anyone still make ethernet hubs?
1676 [12:09:22] <liveuser> missmbob, let me just log out. Will be back later.
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1681 [12:10:17] <babilen> colo-work: replaced-url
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1684 [12:11:05] <colo-work> indeed
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1689 [12:13:58] <Night_Elf> Hello all. I am needing a tftp server so I can backup the ios images of a couple of routers and a few switches, cisco brand. I see there are several options: atftpd, tftpd, tftpd-hpa. Which of these would you recommend?
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1699 [12:17:28] <xXEoflaOEXx> Night_Elf, atftpd
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1701 [12:18:40] <Night_Elf> xXEoflaOEXx: ok thanks. I will get that.
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1703 [12:18:59] <xXEoflaOEXx> Night_Elf, You are welcome!
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1718 [12:24:57] <Allen_Oaks> GNU/LINUX rulez.
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1722 [12:28:11] <TheCanadiansSuck> THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!!
1723 [12:28:13] <TheCanadiansSuck> THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!!
1724 [12:28:16] <TheCanadiansSuck> THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!!
1725 [12:28:16] <Allen_Oaks> lol
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1727 [12:28:23] <Allen_Oaks> cmon man you gotta love everybody
1728 [12:28:24] <TheCanadiansSuck> hi
1729 [12:28:29] <TheCanadiansSuck> i am not a canadian
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1731 [12:28:36] <TheCanadiansSuck> the canadians suck
1732 [12:28:37] <Allen_Oaks> this channel is for happy debian people
1733 [12:28:40] <TheCanadiansSuck> they are too polite
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1736 [12:28:47] <Allen_Oaks> we are all people.
1737 [12:28:49] <TheCanadiansSuck> i am happy because i am not a canadian
1738 [12:28:54] <TheCanadiansSuck> i am a russian hacker
1739 [12:28:56] <Allen_Oaks> I like canadian.
1740 [12:29:01] <Allen_Oaks> i like russians
1741 [12:29:01] <TheCanadiansSuck> i hacked clintons emails
1742 [12:29:05] <TheCanadiansSuck> to elect trump
1743 [12:29:09] <TheCanadiansSuck> to destroy canada
1744 [12:29:17] <Allen_Oaks> did someone hurt you?
1745 [12:29:18] <TheCanadiansSuck> because trump is going to make canada suck dicks again!
1746 [12:29:22] <TheCanadiansSuck> Allen_Oaks: no
1747 [12:29:31] <TheCanadiansSuck> i am a bit of a cokehead
1748 [12:29:35] <TheCanadiansSuck> but no big deal
1749 [12:29:39] <TheCanadiansSuck> it helps me think clearly
1750 [12:29:46] <Allen_Oaks> to expensive man.
1751 [12:29:47] <TheCanadiansSuck> i was the first person to realize it
1752 [12:29:59] <TheCanadiansSuck> but canada is our greatest threat to national security
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1755 [12:30:16] <TheCanadiansSuck> they are right now as we speak, plotting to smuggle sorcerers into the USA and twenty other nations
1756 [12:30:19] <Allen_Oaks> Do you live in Big Beautiful U.S.A?
1757 [12:30:32] <TheCanadiansSuck> yes for the moment but i originate in the uk
1758 [12:30:35] <TheCanadiansSuck> i am agent 007
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1760 [12:30:48] <TheCanadiansSuck> and i need to tap canadian ethernet lines to find the rest of their plan
1761 [12:30:50] <TheCanadiansSuck> so,
1762 [12:30:51] <TheCanadiansSuck> THE CANADIANS ARE COMING!!!!
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1764 [12:31:12] <Allen_Oaks> Welcome to the greatest country on the planet.
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1766 [12:31:17] <TheCanadiansSuck> Hi. I am wondering, does anyone still make ethernet hubs?
1767 [12:31:26] <TheCanadiansSuck> i need them to tap lines
1768 [12:31:31] <TheCanadiansSuck> and spy on the evil canadians
1769 [12:31:34] <Allen_Oaks> lol
1770 [12:31:36] <TheCanadiansSuck> because i am agent 007
1771 [12:31:46] <Allen_Oaks> A Canadian really must have done a number on you.
1772 [12:31:51] <TheCanadiansSuck> mi6 pays well
1773 [12:31:55] <TheCanadiansSuck> that is how i afford the coke
1774 [12:32:01] <TheCanadiansSuck> Allen_Oaks: no
1775 [12:32:14] <TheCanadiansSuck> i beat the shit out of a thousand canadians, with my finger
1776 [12:32:16] <TheCanadiansSuck> they are weak
1777 [12:32:17] <Allen_Oaks> Coke is too expensive, what a waste!
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1779 [12:32:28] <TheCanadiansSuck> i threw a piece of popcorn at a canadian once
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1781 [12:32:35] <TheCanadiansSuck> they ran away screaming like a girl
1782 [12:32:38] <Allen_Oaks> Is there a certain Canadian in this room that you need to have a little talk with?
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1784 [12:32:42] <TheCanadiansSuck> fattest canadian I've ever seen.
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1786 [12:32:53] <TheCanadiansSuck> came back to eat it when they though i left
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1788 [12:33:09] <TheCanadiansSuck> Allen_Oaks: nope
1789 [12:33:09] <Allen_Oaks> You need love man
1790 [12:33:10] <TheCanadiansSuck> wait
1791 [12:33:17] <TheCanadiansSuck> THERES CANADIANS HERE?!?!?!?!
1792 [12:33:21] <TheCanadiansSuck> WHO???
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1794 [12:33:23] <Allen_Oaks> Yeah..
1795 [12:33:25] <TheCanadiansSuck> GET THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1796 [12:33:28] <Allen_Oaks> I wasn't going to tell you.
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1798 [12:33:36] <Allen_Oaks> But now i'm afraid i have no choice...
1799 [12:33:40] <TheCanadiansSuck> !ops Allen_Oaks is a canadian nazi
1800 [12:33:41] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: thecanadianssuck complains about: Allen_Oaks is a canadian nazi
1801 [12:33:47] <Allen_Oaks> I'M CANADIAN MOTHER FUCKER!
1802 [12:33:55] <TheCanadiansSuck> lol no ur not
1803 [12:34:02] <TheCanadiansSuck> canadians dont know how to swear
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1805 [12:34:15] <Allen_Oaks> *HOCKEY STICK TOO THE FACE* ... Sup now f00l?
1806 [12:34:18] <Aimmy> Hello guys. Wich VM do you prefer between virtualbox and gnome boxes? I can see there is some extra futures in gnome boxes where I can shut off integration between my "high tech" mouse and the VM? Does that make gnome boxes safer or does it just mean that virtualbox does not have any connection at all with my mouse?
1807 [12:34:30] <Allen_Oaks> virtualbox
1808 [12:34:43] <TheCanadiansSuck> Aimmy: you are interrupting our lovely discussion of canadians. but yeah virtualbox is the shit
1809 [12:34:50] <TheCanadiansSuck> lots of awesomeness there
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1812 [12:35:01] <Allen_Oaks> is it a usb mouse?
1813 [12:35:11] <TheCanadiansSuck> usb pass thru time!
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1816 [12:35:43] <Aimmy> Sorry to interrupt. Ye I like virtualbox too, but I don't like that I can't control the comunication between my usb and vm.
1817 [12:36:02] <Aimmy> yes usb mouse
1818 [12:36:20] <Allen_Oaks> you can in settings menu.
1819 [12:36:40] <TheCanadiansSuck> im bored here. you are all boring. i shall troll ##politics
1820 [12:36:45] <Aimmy> Does that mean that the comunication between them is off as standard?
1821 [12:37:15] <Aimmy> I mean, I can't even choose the mouse in usb settings.
1822 [12:37:26] <Allen_Oaks> Oh
1823 [12:37:30] <Allen_Oaks> what OS are you on?
1824 [12:37:33] <Aimmy> Debian
1825 [12:37:36] <Aimmy> jessie
1826 [12:37:49] <Allen_Oaks> Well, in ubuntu you have to add youself to vboxusers group
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1831 [12:39:40] <Allen_Oaks> Try to add a usb device in your usb settings menu
1832 [12:39:44] <Allen_Oaks> enable USB 2.0
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1836 [12:40:01] <Aimmy> invalid settings usb 2.0 and no devices avaliable
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1839 [12:40:52] <Allen_Oaks> there's a problem!
1840 [12:41:03] <Allen_Oaks> I've ran into this with ubuntu, but not debian i'm afraid
1841 [12:41:15] <Allen_Oaks> What version of virtualbox?
1842 [12:41:19] <Allen_Oaks> 5.1?
1843 [12:41:42] <Aimmy> 4.3.36, the one in synaptic
1844 [12:41:45] <Aimmy> hmm
1845 [12:41:46] <Aimmy> well
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1847 [12:41:51] <missmbob> in virtualbox you go to vm->settings->system->pointing device
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1849 [12:42:36] <missmbob> Aimmy: and that's awful. get 5.1.8 from jessie-backports
1850 [12:42:48] <Allen_Oaks> Add virtualbox repo!
1851 [12:42:53] <Aimmy> xD why isn't the newest version in synatpic?
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1853 [12:43:08] <Allen_Oaks> I'd use the updated version if i were you!
1854 [12:43:15] <missmbob> Aimmy: jessie-backports has to be manually set up in your sources.list
1855 [12:43:29] <missmbob> Aimmy: replaced-url
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1857 [12:43:48] <Allen_Oaks> Your going to need virtualbox-extension pack if you want to use external USB devices.
1858 [12:44:03] <Aimmy> it's only one line to add in the sources list?
1859 [12:44:09] <missmbob> Aimmy: yes
1860 [12:44:16] <Aimmy> THat's the thing, I don't want to use usb devies
1861 [12:44:27] <missmbob> Aimmy: make sure you add contrib non-free there too.
1862 [12:44:31] <Aimmy> my goal is to make sure there is no connection between my usb devies and vm
1863 [12:44:37] <Allen_Oaks> Then your set!
1864 [12:44:38] <Aimmy> aight, thanks missmbob
1865 [12:44:48] <Allen_Oaks> If no devices pop up, then your golden buddy!
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1869 [12:45:22] <Aimmy> yes I think my answer got answer'd. Thank you guys.
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1871 [12:46:06] <Allen_Oaks> PEACE and thank you for using choosing GNU/LINUX
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1873 [12:47:24] <Allen_Oaks> GNU/LINUX rulez.
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1956 [13:33:38] <merlac> i'm looking for podcasts & talks of educative but entertaining nature revolving around Linux, ITSec and stuff like that. any recommendations? feel free to whisper.
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1963 [13:39:22] <ee2455> merlac: jupiterbroadcasting.com has a few shows that might interest you. Take a look at "Linux Action Show" and "TechSnap" in particular.
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2020 [14:04:45] <temp-wifirepeate> i have an old Pentium II laptop, 128MB RAM which has 2 pcmcia wireless cards (ath9k and rtl8187). i want to use that laptop as a temporary GNU/Linux wireless repeater. can anyone recommend me something as newbie friendly as (the sadly abandoned) quicktables to do so???
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2022 [14:07:08] <JohnTitor> use hostapd + iptables, if youre lucky you can use bridge mode with your wireless nics, if not that's fine too
2023 [14:07:49] <JohnTitor> s/if not/ if you can't
2024 [14:07:58] <missmbob> i think the point is he doesnt want to touch iptables for whatever silly reason
2025 [14:08:07] <missmbob> try gufw
2026 [14:08:35] <JohnTitor> ah the quicktables bit?
2027 [14:08:37] <JohnTitor> ugh
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2035 [14:12:10] <rindolf> Hi all! What does «B-D changes are not reflected in d/changelog.» mean?
2036 [14:12:41] <JohnTitor> missmbob: gufw requires a xorg im not sure if one want to have a wm/de in a pentium2 with 128MB of ram, there's a ufw too never tried those things though
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2039 [14:13:29] <missmbob> JohnTitor: yeah, so dont use the graphical one
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2041 [14:14:06] <missmbob> you'd be doing yourself a favor if you read a good ebtables tutorial though
2042 [14:14:28] <JohnTitor> me?
2043 [14:14:52] <missmbob> no :P
2044 [14:14:55] <JohnTitor> hehe
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2048 [14:16:59] <temp-wifirepeate> not me either. iptables is not newbie friendly. the sadly abandoned and unspoorted quicktables is.
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2050 [14:17:35] <JohnTitor> what's sad is not being able to do 2 iptables commands
2051 [14:17:50] <temp-wifirepeate> just two??
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2053 [14:18:17] <JohnTitor> well maybe only one
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2055 [14:19:24] <missmbob> ebtables will own your quicktables ass
2056 [14:19:28] <JohnTitor> temp-wifirepeate: replaced-url
2057 [14:19:29] <missmbob> :P
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2059 [14:19:56] <JohnTitor> missmbob: not all the wireless nics support bridge mode
2060 [14:20:04] <abrotman> ?
2061 [14:20:06] <mosasaur> maybe badvpn
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2063 [14:21:38] <JohnTitor> abrotman: ? to whom? :D
2064 [14:21:38] <CrazyTux> hello, do I need to use sudo to be able to use cp?
2065 [14:21:52] <CrazyTux> cp to create a live usb.
2066 [14:22:00] <JohnTitor> CrazyTux: yes
2067 [14:22:01] <temp-wifirepeate> JohnTitor, that is not what i asked for. i asked for a ready made *script* like quicktables that does the job.
2068 [14:22:11] <JohnTitor> temp-wifirepeate: no idea sorry
2069 [14:22:19] <temp-wifirepeate> ok, no prob
2070 [14:22:33] <missmbob> CrazyTux: why do you keep asking the same question over and over again?
2071 [14:22:37] <abrotman> temp-wifirepeate: ufw? or text only?
2072 [14:22:51] <abrotman> missmbob: have you met CrazyTux ?
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2074 [14:23:06] <JohnTitor> he wants a ./create_ap_magically.sh
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2080 [14:24:10] <temp-wifirepeate> abrotman, with 128MB I can not have Gnome, so a console based solution will be.
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2082 [14:24:31] <abrotman> temp-wifirepeate: you can use it on another box, move the rules over. Otherwise, I'd suggest vi
2083 [14:25:10] <temp-wifirepeate> use what? vi?
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2085 [14:25:48] <abrotman> also, ufw doesn't require Gnome
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2089 [14:27:42] <abrotman> judd: depends ufw
2090 [14:27:43] <judd> Package ufw in jessie/amd64 -- depends: debconf, iptables, ucf, python3:any (>= 3.3.2-2~), python3, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0.
2091 [14:27:49] <abrotman> I see nothing related to Gnome
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2094 [14:29:31] <temp-wifirepeate> abrotman, with 128MB RAM I can not use a graphical user environment, the Pentium II would be dead slow
2095 [14:29:44] <abrotman> I'm not sure why you think you need a GUI .. please see above
2096 [14:29:45] <CrazyTux> Desktop$ sudo cp debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-cinnamon-desktop.iso /dev/sdb1
2097 [14:29:53] <abrotman> wrong
2098 [14:29:54] <missmbob> CrazyTux: no
2099 [14:29:58] <JohnTitor> CrazyTux: youre doing it r0ng
2100 [14:30:06] <missmbob> CrazyTux: i told you. sdb NOT sdb1
2101 [14:30:10] <CrazyTux> missmbob, please correct me.
2102 [14:30:11] <JohnTitor> ._.
2103 [14:30:16] <CrazyTux> ok
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2105 [14:30:39] <missmbob> remember to sync after
2106 [14:30:42] <CrazyTux> only that part is wrong?
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2108 [14:31:06] <niko> :10
2109 [14:31:10] <CrazyTux> you mean I need to type sudo sync after this?
2110 [14:31:18] <JohnTitor> just sync
2111 [14:31:44] <abrotman> you know, like the instructions tell you ..
2112 [14:31:47] <CrazyTux> ok. after the first command is executed?
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2114 [14:32:01] <JohnTitor> ok I want my spoon: sudo cp debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-cinnamon-desktop.iso /dev/sdb && sync
2115 [14:32:23] <CrazyTux> ok. Just a beginner here.
2116 [14:32:46] <missmbob> CrazyTux: is this to install debian with or do you just really need a live image?
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2118 [14:33:21] <CrazyTux> I need to install Debian on my new laptop.
2119 [14:33:31] <missmbob> so dont use the live iso
2120 [14:33:44] <CrazyTux> struggling to create a live usb.
2121 [14:33:54] <CrazyTux> then, what is the other option?
2122 [14:33:55] <missmbob> stop calling it live
2123 [14:33:58] <abrotman> why would you install from the liveCD? That's the wrong way to do that
2124 [14:34:07] <abrotman> dpkg: tell CrazyTux about ig
2125 [14:34:19] <CrazyTux> I did the same thing with other distros.
2126 [14:34:39] <n4dir> temp-wifirepeate: with 128 Ram and a Pentium 2 you can start a window mananger and ufw (or, iirc, you can also only start ufw without window-manager). Not speedy, but should work
2127 [14:34:42] <missmbob> CrazyTux: that doesnt mean it's the way you should do it with debian
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2129 [14:35:01] <CrazyTux> ok.
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2131 [14:35:30] <missmbob> debian live kind of sucks for installing. it has various bugs, including total lack of uefi support
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2134 [14:35:54] <missmbob> that's why we use the installer for installing and live for live
2135 [14:36:00] <CrazyTux> ok. that is what I thought.
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2137 [14:36:13] <missmbob> so why did you download the live iso?
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2141 [14:36:31] <CrazyTux> ok. But, if I want a live usb, the above method is correct?
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2144 [14:37:05] <missmbob> i dont think you understand what that means. you said it was for installing debian
2145 [14:37:23] <CrazyTux> I will have to install Debian from a pendrive offline.
2146 [14:37:42] <missmbob> right. that's not live. dont use the live iso for that
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2150 [14:37:52] <CrazyTux> Sometimes, there is going to be connection issues with the internet.
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2152 [14:37:55] <missmbob> use the installer iso. the one without "live" in the filename
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2154 [14:38:04] <CrazyTux> ok/
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2158 [14:38:29] <CrazyTux> what is live exactly? what is it used for?
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2161 [14:39:01] <missmbob> testing environments without touching the HD basically
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2163 [14:39:26] <missmbob> makes for a very stupid installer platform sometimes
2164 [14:39:46] <CrazyTux> ok. I needed that also.
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2167 [14:40:16] <missmbob> i hate my life so much right now
2168 [14:40:24] <MarcoNL> I'm using debian preseed. And now I'm getting an error partman-auto-raid: Error: No recipe specified in partman-auto-raid/recipe.
2169 [14:40:39] <CrazyTux> But, now that live usb is created, I think. Will download the installer image now. Sorry for bothering you this much.
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2171 [14:40:51] <MarcoNL> But in my config is this line: d-i partman-auto-raid/recipe string
2172 [14:40:59] <MarcoNL> that should be enough right?
2173 [14:42:06] <CrazyTux> missmbob, thank you so much for that info and for helping me. Will go through that link and download the iso. See you later.
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2177 [14:42:47] <temp-wifirepeate> abrotman, i do not want a gui. i want something as newbie friendly as the sadly abandoned quicktables
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2182 [14:43:32] <abrotman> temp-wifirepeate: READ THE DEPENDENCIES ..
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2201 [14:49:18] <temp-wifirepeate> abrotman, sorry, what dependencies?
2202 [14:49:30] <mosasaur> temp-wifirepeate: maybe this one could work too replaced-url
2203 [14:49:32] <abrotman> temp-wifirepeate: Sorry, you can't be helped if you can't bother to read.
2204 [14:49:48] <abrotman> temp-wifirepeate: ufw is NOT gufw. ufw does not require Gnome or Xorg
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2207 [14:50:49] <temp-wifirepeate> abrotman, thank you. i will read about ufw
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2209 [14:51:01] <abrotman> otherwise, learn to write the rules you need from scratch using vi, that's really the better way to learn anyway
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2214 [14:51:34] <missmbob> ease into it. nano :P
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2217 [14:52:22] <abrotman> Use joe for all I care .. the point is still $EDITOR
2218 [14:52:32] <tomcres> !start editor war
2219 [14:52:51] <abrotman> dpkg: start an editor war
2220 [14:52:51] <dpkg> ae doesn't deserve to be in BSD.
2221 [14:52:52] <n4dir> hurray !
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2223 [14:53:11] <missmbob> it was another case of me failing to be funny is all
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2235 [14:57:46] <temp-wifirepeate> ufw is a firewall which is OK but not a ready made script like the sadly abandoned and systemd incompatible quicktables
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2237 [14:58:19] <abrotman> temp-wifirepeate: feel free to adopt quicktables, then your life will be complete
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2239 [14:59:04] <temp-wifirepeate> abrotman, i am not a programmer. i am just a newbie
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2254 [15:05:21] <Aimmy> So, guys, let's talk about security. I have this high tech usb mouse and since it actually contains alot of functions there should be alot of stuff inside it. Does that mean this could be a security breach?
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2256 [15:06:47] <temp-wifirepeate> it is so hard to believe that there not something as newbie friendly as quicktables which was sadly abandoned in 2003
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2258 [15:06:55] <somiaj> In theory there could be hidden stuff in the mouse, but if it uses the standard usb hid drivers, doubt any of those hidden things would be able to work in linux, now if you installed a custom driver to get those special features to work....welll....
2259 [15:07:29] <Aimmy> somiaj: ty for answer. how do I know if it uses standard usb hid drivers? this is default?
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2261 [15:07:33] <Aimmy> No extra drivers ofc
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2263 [15:07:51] <Shadur> Technically, yes, but at best without a vulnerability in the HID subsystem the best it could do would be to snoop USB traffic from your mouse to its hub.
2264 [15:07:52] <somiaj> Aimmy: in linux almost all drivers are open and in the kernel so they can be looked at. but after you plug it in type dmesg and see what the kernel tells you
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2266 [15:08:04] <abrotman> in 2003 ...
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2268 [15:08:21] <somiaj> so if tehre was something hiding in the linux kernel, it is open for others to look at, which makes it a little harder to sneak something in
2269 [15:08:48] <Shadur> If you plug the mouse in and dmesg says it's detected two new USB devices, that'd be your cue to get suspicious.
2270 [15:08:50] <temp-wifirepeate> 2003 was a good year compared to 2016
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2272 [15:09:54] <p0g0> hmm, mice don't offer keystrokes, right, just mickies of motion?
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2274 [15:10:10] <Shadur> p0g0: Motion events and button presses.
2275 [15:10:32] <somiaj> you could bind those to fake keypress events, though many apps don't like fake events.
2276 [15:10:33] <Aimmy> when i write dmsg i get alot of stuff
2277 [15:10:34] <p0g0> The macro capable keyboards certainly could have an eeprom full of strings tho.
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2279 [15:10:53] <somiaj> Aimmy: oh yea, all your kernel info is there, when you plug it in, only the last few lines are important for that device.
2280 [15:10:55] <Aimmy> Can I limit the command to something so I only see external attached items?
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2282 [15:11:04] <Aimmy> aha
2283 [15:11:16] <temp-wifirepeate> people say that things in GNU/Linux are much easier nowadays but that does not apply to newbie friendly alternatives to quicktables.
2284 [15:11:16] <somiaj> Aimmy: dmesg | tail works if you just plug it in, if it was pluged in during boot you need to look trhought he whole thing
2285 [15:11:16] <rmrfchik> I'm in big trouble. I missed the device and did "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdg", sda is mounted root (ext3) and sdb is mounted ext4. 60MB were transferred as I CTRL-C dd.
2286 [15:11:17] <Shadur> But yes, if you don't trust your input device manufacturer I recommend getting a different input device manufacturer.
2287 [15:11:18] <n4dir> unplug, plug back in: dmesg | tail
2288 [15:11:38] <rmrfchik> Any ideas how to restore unaffected files?
2289 [15:11:57] <somiaj> rmrfchik: hopefully there wasn't anytihg on /dev/sdg you don't have a backup of.
2290 [15:11:58] <missmbob> no you're pretty fucked
2291 [15:12:16] <Aimmy> hmm, there seems to be alot of info about my mouse here
2292 [15:12:20] <p0g0> rmrfchik: you used of=/dev/sdg... did you mean /dev/sdb?
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2294 [15:12:31] <rmrfchik> somiaj: all that really matters is in git
2295 [15:12:34] <Shadur> There are some forensics tools that might be able to recover your stuff, but most of those are used by law enforcement.
2296 [15:12:40] <Aimmy> it says name of my mouse and like a serial number lol
2297 [15:12:46] <somiaj> rmrfchik: there is software you can scan a drive sector by sector and try to recover files from, but this is hit and miss, and anything in the start of the drive you overwrote is gone.
2298 [15:12:49] <rmrfchik> somiaj: but there some files I want to restore
2299 [15:12:52] <MarcoNL> Is it possible to install grub on a raid 1 for debian jessie?
2300 [15:13:02] <p0g0> rmrfchik: but whatever destination output (the of=) got a bunch of data dumped on it, so it is likely FUBAR.
2301 [15:13:06] <somiaj> rmrfchik: I don't know the name of such software.
2302 [15:13:12] <rmrfchik> p0g0: I wanted sdb and wrote sdg
2303 [15:13:20] <rmrfchik> sdg is actual old drive
2304 [15:13:33] <p0g0> rmrfchik: and there was a /dev/sdg?
2305 [15:13:39] <p0g0> ahh
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2313 [15:14:17] <n4dir> rmrfchik: i think testdisk does such.
2314 [15:14:21] <p0g0> that one is likely beaten. You can look up 'forensic toolkits', they are out there, some are free... likely not going to help tho.
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2317 [15:15:07] <Aimmy> ok guys, back to my mouse. This should be no problem if I run something in a VM that doesn't have the usb features on?
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2319 [15:15:14] <p0g0> it is probably too soon to bring up the virtue of backups...
2320 [15:15:33] <somiaj> Aimmy: I personally wouldn't worry about a mouse being a security hole.
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2327 [15:20:08] <n4dir> !testdisk
2328 [15:20:08] <dpkg> TestDisk is a partition scanner and disk recovery tool, an alternative to <gpart>. Try gpart first. TestDisk checks the partition and boot sectors of your disks, very useful in recovering lost partitions. replaced-url
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2393 [15:45:04] <temp-wifirepeate> i have to say that my wireless network and the wireless repeater would have different names
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2412 [15:51:52] <Beeblebrox-BSD> Hello. I'm using Dracut to create a ZFS initrd on Stretch. I've configured /etc/dracut.conf.d w/ add/omit modules and also "fstab=yes, root=ZFS:rpool/ROOT/debian, zfs_force=1". Boot drops to busybox however.
2413 [15:51:53] <Beeblebrox-BSD> Problems: 1) root= & zfs_force do not work, seems to want boolean params (also not accepted on command-line) 2) I don't think the tmpfs entries (/run /dev, etc) get created as the fstab I prepared only point / and /usr to respective z-datasets. I should include those but I'm building from ext4 root & not sure chroot would solve this.
2414 [15:51:53] <Beeblebrox-BSD> Any pointers on how to get this done?
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2572 [17:08:10] <calbasi> Hi, I'm doing a basic Debian8 netinst to upgrade them to debian9. Until now I used to do one simple partition, but I wonder if it could be better use LVM in my new cloud server...
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2575 [17:09:37] <bolt> calbasi: why?
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2588 [17:13:41] <calbasi> For example, if later I add a new disk, I think I could just add its space to the system using LVM, don't I?
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2591 [17:13:56] <zprd> hi
2592 [17:14:13] <zprd> anyone using rst parser with moinmoin on jessie?
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2594 [17:15:01] <zprd> the basic test does not seam to work (hello *rst*) (python-docutils installed)
2595 [17:15:05] <calbasi> But I'm not sure if I can take profit of it, and simple disk management is more robust...
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2605 [17:16:47] <n4dir> calbasi: if it was me i would first give lvm a try on a testbox at home, in qemu, or any solution of that kind. I for one don't care for it (many like it a lot, obviously)
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2610 [17:17:12] <n4dir> i guess it is worth the trouble to learn it (and i don't think it is really trouble)
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2612 [17:18:00] <n4dir> but don't count on me. wait for folks who do know lvm (well) and can give you the hard facts.
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2619 [17:19:52] <calbasi> Thanks n4dir :-) I'm reading "pros and cons" on the net... Reading about software raid too...
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2622 [17:21:05] <n4dir> good luck
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2635 [17:26:38] <Mr_Ed> are there any apt/dpkg wizards here? I'm trying to run apt (and therefore dkpg) against a subtree.
2636 [17:26:56] <Mr_Ed> Now ordinarily, I'd deboostrap (or whatever) and then chroot
2637 [17:27:05] <Mr_Ed> however, I can't do it this time
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2639 [17:27:21] <Mr_Ed> This time I'm on x86, but my subtree is ARM (Raspian as it happens)
2640 [17:27:38] <Mr_Ed> so if I chroot, I only have the ARM binary which I can't execute.
2641 [17:27:50] <Mr_Ed> I've tried a few things which don't work:
2642 [17:28:07] <Mr_Ed> Assume the subtree is in /mnt
2643 [17:28:13] <Mr_Ed> sudo apt-get -o Dir=/mnt/ update
2644 [17:28:16] <Mr_Ed> that doesn't really work.
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2646 [17:28:39] <Mr_Ed> Basically, I get errors saying it's looking for amd64 packages (the host arch)
2647 [17:28:46] <dwarfmut> hi
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2649 [17:28:58] <Mr_Ed> If I add the additional options: -o apt::architecture=armhf -o DPkg::Options::='--admindir=/mnt/var/lib/dpkg'
2650 [17:29:06] <dwarfmut> exists some tool loke a fedora koji for debian?:
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2652 [17:29:26] <Mr_Ed> then I can get it to do the update, but trying to install anything gives heaps of dependency errors
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2654 [17:29:56] <Mr_Ed> strace shows that apt and dpkg are mostly looking in the right directories, (there are some accesses to /var/, not /mnt/var, but only for lock files I think)
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2657 [17:30:25] <Mr_Ed> So, I've kind of exhausted all sources of documentation I can find. Can anyone point me in the right direction here?
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2670 [17:36:11] <MrKeuner> hello, we have two identical clusters of machines. One for prod and one for staging. What would you suggest to make sure developers notice that they are on prod before making any change?
2671 [17:36:42] <Mr_Ed> MrKeuner: set a big red warning in the BASH prompt?
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2677 [17:38:03] <`Kevin> developers making direct changes on prod? hm :P
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2686 [17:39:51] <teraflops> yeah big red thingy just like redhat in the oldtimes when doing startx as root :P
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2703 [17:51:05] <MrKeuner> Mr_Ed, sure that is my default plan. But thought I could do better than that. Scripts for instance wouldn't care the red for instance...
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2706 [17:52:47] <MrKeuner> I was thinking something like a file that needs to be in place /tmp/system_configurable for any modifications to actually commit
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2709 [17:53:20] <TinyTux> Does Debian 8 have Kaby lake support? Or do I need to install Stretch/RC1 ?
2710 [17:53:51] <Mr_Ed> MrKeuner: well, you can't really make scripts notice unless you make them not run somehow.
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2715 [17:55:53] <jelly-home> TinyTux: who knows if even stretch is going to have decent support, try it and see. jessie (debian 8) does not have it by default, but backported newer kernel and video drivers can be installed afterwards to improve things
2716 [17:56:09] <jelly-home> sigh
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2720 [17:56:39] <mapm> hello, how can I detect missing wifi firmware in debian? no connection to the internet
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2727 [18:00:38] <cmyers> since doing an upgrade, my iwlwifi isn't working - dmesg errors look like firmware problems. When I boot with the old (4.2.0-1) kernel it works but it doesn't with 4.8.0-2. replaced-url
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2729 [18:00:44] <cmyers> one in experimental
2730 [18:00:50] <armin> --- ftp.de.debian.org ping statistics ---
2731 [18:00:51] <armin> 7 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 5999ms
2732 [18:01:01] <cmyers> should I start grabbing src and trying to build this thing, or does anyone know anything else about this problem already maybe? I've googled...
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2735 [18:01:08] <armin> wow, and ftp.de.debian.org STILL doesn't even have an AAAA record
2736 [18:02:15] <armin> 296 packets transmitted, 31 received, 89% packet loss, time 295041ms
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2738 [18:02:56] <cmyers> replaced-url
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2749 [18:05:47] <cmyers> hmm, it can't find the old version - are old packages archived somewhere?
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2753 [18:07:55] <babilen> dpkg: snapshot
2754 [18:07:55] <dpkg> replaced-url
2755 [18:07:58] <babilen> cmyers: ^
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2757 [18:08:05] <cmyers> ooh, babilen - thanks!
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2766 [18:09:46] <Aimmy> hey guys. WHen I'm SSHing to my router, and asks me for password, what password should I give it? The password for admin user is wrong it says.
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2769 [18:11:10] <cmyers> ok, rebooting to test new kernel, here we go =)
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2779 [18:13:11] <hassoon_> OA
2780 [18:13:14] <hassoon_> OA
2781 [18:13:16] <hassoon_> OA
2782 [18:13:19] <hassoon_> >zc
2783 [18:13:24] <hassoon_> >zc
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2813 [18:25:49] <bolt> Aimmy: how are we supposed to know? look in the manual for your particular router
2814 [18:26:19] <bolt> Aimmy: also, don't assume that just because you have the password for the web interface, that you have one for ssh. or that there even is one for ssh. might be pubkey only
2815 [18:27:14] <cmyers> *sigh* no luck. pinning to the 20160824-1 version didn't help.
2816 [18:27:50] <cmyers> I probably have to do some day job stuff, so I guess I am stuck running the old kernel for now
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2856 [18:45:23] <dwarfmut> guys... exists tool like a fedora koji for debian?
2857 [18:45:24] <cmyers> ahah, I didn't revert far enough. reverting to the 201601XX version fixed my problem
2858 [18:45:43] <cmyers> hooray, iwlwifi works with 4.8 kernel now
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2864 [18:47:08] <abd5932> Hi. The full freeze is scheduled for 5 Feb. How long does it usually take from full freeze till new release? Thank you!
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2871 [18:51:18] <TomTomTosch> six months, possibly more.
2872 [18:51:51] <feliks> is it possible to use a keyfile to decrypt luks containers from within grub?
2873 [18:52:44] <Aimmy> bolt: sry, I forgot to write I'm on dd-wrt. but it's solved now. I was supposed to logg in with root and not username on web interface
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2891 [18:59:57] <Achylles> I have setup opendns and some filters on my account and applied opendns numbers on my router. But, it only works on my two debian boxes laptops. The cellphones and windows laptops of other people do not see opendns on the router. Can I find help here or anywhere else...
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2913 [19:06:12] <abd5932> Achylles: you should check where those non-working devices get their nameservers from... you should force them to use the one provided by your router (it is possible in dd-wrt).
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2928 [19:13:31] <_titan_> ola
2929 [19:14:11] <flvzsch50> aloha
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2965 [19:29:58] <DammitJim> is there a way to know if my server is observing EDT even though we aren't in daylight savings time?
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2972 [19:30:57] <DammitJim> /etc/timezone says: America/New York
2973 [19:31:09] <DammitJim> something tells me this is automatic for the timezone I picked, but can you guys confirm?
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2984 [19:34:11] <zykotick9> DammitJim: the D in EDT stands for Daylight.
2985 [19:34:28] <DammitJim> zykotick9, LOL
2986 [19:35:11] <DammitJim> correct me if I'm wrong, but since at this time we are not in daylight savings time, we wouldn't read EDT on a server
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2988 [19:36:06] <DammitJim> so, my servers right now say: Mon Jan 23 13:36:15 EST 2017
2989 [19:36:14] <DammitJim> make sense?
2990 [19:36:27] <zykotick9> DammitJim: fyi, it actually "daylight saving time" no s on savings... doesn't "sound" right but that's engligh for ya
2991 [19:36:58] <SpeccyMan> sounds perfectly correct to an Englishman
2992 [19:37:01] <DammitJim> ok, daylight saving time. I stand corrected
2993 [19:37:02] <zykotick9> DammitJim: as does mine....
2994 [19:37:11] <DammitJim> so, can you guys help me?
2995 [19:37:41] <zykotick9> DammitJim: help you with what? seems it's working as designed?
2996 [19:38:01] <DammitJim> that's my question... how is it designed to work?
2997 [19:38:08] <DammitJim> if I set my timezone to America/New York
2998 [19:38:27] <DammitJim> does that mean that summer comes around, that the `date` will automatically change to EDT?
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3000 [19:39:01] <DammitJim> I've been asked if our servers are configured to observe EDT
3001 [19:39:42] <DammitJim> SpeccyMan, is that how it works?
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3003 [19:40:17] <SpeccyMan> we don't actually call it that here
3004 [19:40:27] <DammitJim> oh, what do you call it?
3005 [19:40:45] <SpeccyMan> when our clock goes forwards 1 hour we call it British Summer Time
3006 [19:40:52] <DammitJim> LOL
3007 [19:40:59] <SpeccyMan> or GMT+1
3008 [19:41:15] <DammitJim> understood
3009 [19:41:21] <SpeccyMan> it could be cos we are obsessed with the weather here ;-)
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3012 [19:41:44] <DammitJim> but does Debian automatically change to BST?
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3015 [19:42:13] <SpeccyMan> no idea I am a linux mint user and that changes at the proper time
3016 [19:42:23] <DammitJim> cool
3017 [19:42:29] <DammitJim> so, there is no special setting you do
3018 [19:42:30] <DammitJim> thank you
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3020 [19:42:49] <SpeccyMan> not that i know of, it just seems to happen
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3025 [19:44:04] <SpeccyMan> right now my clock is set to GMT which is normal for winter and in the spring it will switch to BST on the last Sunday in March at 1:00AM
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3031 [19:47:44] <zykotick9> DammitJim: i can't find any info to state EST will automatically change to EDT when approriate :( but, from my personal experience - it will! first note on replaced-url
3032 [19:47:59] <DammitJim> thank you zykotick9
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3034 [19:48:11] <DammitJim> I definitely appreciate that
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3050 [19:53:46] <SynrG> zykotick9, DammitJim: apt-cache show tzdata | grep ^Homepage: points at replaced-url
3051 [19:53:52] <SynrG> daylight-saving rules."
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3054 [19:54:17] <SynrG> that's as close as it comes to saying "yes, the timezones in Debian are daylight-savings aware"
3055 [19:54:23] <DammitJim> awesome!
3056 [19:54:29] <zykotick9> SynrG: thanks.
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3060 [19:56:33] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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3069 [20:00:08] <Aimmy> This encryption we got when we start debian.. is this unbreakable?
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3084 [20:05:59] <missmbob> for the most part. debian doesnt encrypt /boot by default so if they have access to it they could swap out the kernel without you knowing about it and then you basically break it yourself. but if you mean someone just stole your laptop then yeah, they're not going to view your data
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3087 [20:06:32] <missmbob> or if you mean "the fbi just took my laptop" you should be okay
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3091 [20:07:18] <malacozoan> Aimmy: Basically, Bruce Willis, Samuel L. Jackson, and M. Night Shyamalan couldn't break it.. pretty Unbreakable.
3092 [20:07:26] * malacozoan gets his coat
3093 [20:07:29] <SynrG> except for the exploits against it that the fbi are keeping under wraps so they can continue to wiretap you ...
3094 [20:07:43] * SynrG says, tongue-in-cheek, with tinfoil hat on
3095 [20:07:51] * malacozoan hands out some OpenBSD softraid full disk crypto
3096 [20:07:59] * malacozoan gets his other coat
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3111 [20:12:39] <malacozoan> Someone just asked SLJ if it was *really* unbreakable.. replaced-url
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3116 [20:14:33] <missmbob> it's offtopic as well but you've got to hand it to him for being a basic nerd. buzzfeed needs to make that video
3117 [20:14:57] <dwarfmut> somebody use mini-buildd?
3118 [20:15:44] <malacozoan> lol yes! I'll shutup now sorry ;)
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3158 [20:32:52] <Slashman> hello, I have a server on a public cloud with a public IPv4 address, a default route and whatever, my provider gave me an other public IPv4 address, but with a /32 mask, like 195.77.8.47/32, when I assign this IP address to the interface of the server, it works fine, but I need to assign this IP to a VM that has bridged networking, I'm not sure how to configure the interface of the VM to route correctly to the net... any idea?
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3161 [20:33:56] <Slashman> (the bridge has the physical interface of the host as member, the bridge has the public IP of the host)
3162 [20:34:08] <grawity> if it's L2 bridged, there shouldn't be any difference
3163 [20:34:14] <grawity> althouuugh....
3164 [20:34:23] <grawity> not sure how the provider routes the IP address to you
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3167 [20:36:10] <Slashman> I guess they have a route to the "main IP"
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3169 [20:36:34] <Slashman> my problem is the routing table on the VM, I have no clue what gateway to give or whatever from a single /32 IP
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3197 [20:49:48] <fgrepper> Hi there, im learning about tcpdump and was wondering if anyone could help me interpret the outputs
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3199 [20:50:41] <fgrepper> im capturing an nmap -ST scan...is sackOK flag the initial SYN that i might see in wireshark?
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3205 [20:52:04] <missmbob> fgrepper: try ##networking
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3211 [20:56:46] <stew> fgrepper: no, sackOk is an option "selective ack", SYN is a control bit which would still be called SYN by tcpdump
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3217 [20:59:09] <feliks> is there a way to check whether a hook script has been added to initramfs?
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3223 [21:00:06] <feliks> i created the script `/etc/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot` but when i run `mkinitramfs -vo /tmp/test` it tells me:
3224 [21:00:08] <feliks> Calling hook cryptroot
3225 [21:00:10] <feliks> cryptsetup: WARNING: target sda1_crypt uses a key file, skipped
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3229 [21:01:31] <feliks> cryptroot script looks like this: replaced-url
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3232 [21:02:52] <feliks> but when i try booting via grub/initramfs i get the error: `cryptsetup: error - script "/bin/loadkey" missing`
3233 [21:03:09] <feliks> so it seems to me that the script is never included into initramfs?
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3241 [21:04:40] <missmbob> the script is specifically calling for /bin/loadkey
3242 [21:05:00] <feliks> yes
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3244 [21:05:18] <foreal> can somone help me with opening a port
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3250 [21:05:46] <missmbob> foreal: debian doesnt close any by default
3251 [21:05:51] <foreal> i tryed opening with iptables i have debian 8 but none of the ports i open
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3253 [21:06:00] <foreal> work
3254 [21:06:02] <teraflops> foreal: unless youre using a firewall you dont open ports, you put stuff listening on ports
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3256 [21:06:08] <feliks> missmbob: because i use `GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="... cryptopts=keyscript=/bin/loadkey,..."` in the file `/etc/default/grub`
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3258 [21:06:20] <foreal> so how would i do it
3259 [21:06:37] <missmbob> foreal: you're not understanding. we're saying it's open.
3260 [21:06:44] <teraflops> foreal: explain your issue with more detail
3261 [21:06:50] <foreal> but when i try a port scan its closed
3262 [21:06:56] <foreal> ok
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3265 [21:07:41] <foreal> basically im trying to use certbot and it needs the port 443 open i tryed opening with iptables and even turned off firewall and still wont open aqny ports only a couple are open
3266 [21:08:18] <missmbob> certbot is expecting apache to be running and configured to use port 443. that's not debian's default
3267 [21:08:19] <feliks> foreal: does certbot run?
3268 [21:08:19] <teraflops> foreal: are you behind nat?
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3270 [21:08:49] <foreal> if i use ./certbot-auto certonly .... it works
3271 [21:09:02] <teraflops> missmbob: well it depends on how you run certbot
3272 [21:09:06] <foreal> but when i try to add the domain it doesnt except it
3273 [21:09:14] <foreal> says this
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3275 [21:09:31] <foreal> Failed to connect to *****:443 for TLS-SNI-01
3276 [21:09:31] <foreal> challenge
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3278 [21:09:52] <foreal> sorry im not that good with explainijng shit
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3281 [21:10:17] <foreal> but basically its the port that isnt open thats blocking it
3282 [21:10:28] <foreal> i pointed the domain
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3284 [21:10:34] <foreal> with the a record
3285 [21:10:43] <foreal> and thats working fine
3286 [21:10:47] <fgrepper> @stew replaced-url
3287 [21:10:48] <feliks> foreal: is the server (that you try to reach on port 443) behind a firewall?
3288 [21:10:50] <teraflops> foreal: from where?
3289 [21:10:52] <missmbob> it's not though.
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3292 [21:11:56] <foreal> how do i do tcpdump on debian whats the command
3293 [21:12:11] <foreal> sorry sorta new
3294 [21:12:18] <jelly-home> foreal: it's... tcpdump, amazingly
3295 [21:12:21] <somiaj> foreal: tcpdump should exist, you may just have to install the package.
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3297 [21:12:33] <feliks> missmbob: can you help me any further with my problem?
3298 [21:12:36] <_rubik> foreal: Try running it with sudo.
3299 [21:12:49] <fgrepper> tcpdump -n -i <ifname> -w
3300 [21:12:52] <foreal> had to install it sec
3301 [21:12:59] <jelly-home> who's sec
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3303 [21:13:02] <somiaj> the tcpdump package is optional, so it might not be installed by default.
3304 [21:13:09] <somiaj> foreal: apt-get install tcpdump
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3307 [21:13:19] <foreal> i know im doing the dump now
3308 [21:13:25] <foreal> and its huge
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3310 [21:13:31] <foreal> keeps goin
3311 [21:13:36] <tomcres> foreal: sounds like something my 6 year old might say
3312 [21:13:44] <missmbob> feliks: the webserver that's currently hosting the domain. certbot wants it running live and listening on port 443. you apparently have not configured that yet
3313 [21:13:45] <_rubik> tomcres: ded
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3315 [21:14:02] <jelly-home> tomcres: except it's funny when they do it
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3317 [21:14:15] <foreal> hmm
3318 [21:14:20] <foreal> not sure how to do that
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3320 [21:14:27] <_rubik> foreal: Yes. You're dumping all traffic over given interface. Read the documentation and learn how to use tcpdump
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3324 [21:14:51] <somiaj> foreal: what did you expect tcpdump to tell you, what is it you are looking for?
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3326 [21:15:02] <feliks> missmbob: i dont have a problem with certbot. i wanted to use a script within initramfs
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3328 [21:15:17] <foreal> idk
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3330 [21:15:22] <feliks> but this channel seems too cluttered to help with problems beyond a beginners scope :(
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3332 [21:15:32] <foreal> true
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3334 [21:15:39] <foreal> ill admit ima noob
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3337 [21:16:12] <foreal> but how would i get the port 443 to listen
3338 [21:16:19] <foreal> or whatever
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3341 [21:16:31] <missmbob> most people would configure apache to do so
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3343 [21:16:41] <fgrepper> what is the best tcpdump command to maximize human readibility?
3344 [21:16:43] <jelly-home> nc -l -p 443
3345 [21:16:46] <somiaj> foreal: why not describe what it is you are really trying to do, as opposed to what appears to me unrelated questions.
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3348 [21:16:56] <feliks> foreal: if people ask you questions, answer them. that way your hand can be held
3349 [21:16:58] <_rubik> foreal: This isn't the channel for that. But try 'man tcpdump'
3350 [21:16:59] <apathor> jelly-home++ # lol
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3352 [21:17:17] <foreal> i just want certbot to work ill read about aqpache
3353 [21:17:24] <foreal> apche
3354 [21:17:27] <jelly-home> apathor: mind you, only with netcat-traditional. Others eschew -p
3355 [21:17:30] <foreal> apache
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3364 [21:20:38] <somiaj> foreal: have you seen if there is any helpful documentation in the certbot package, /usr/share/doc/certbot/
3365 [21:20:55] <somiaj> I would think there would be some guide to how to get it to integrate with apache or ngnix webservers at least.
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3368 [21:21:24] <somiaj> foreal: replaced-url
3369 [21:22:12] <jelly-home> fgrepper: for me, it's "write to a file and open in wireshark on my workstation"
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3371 [21:22:48] <fgrepper> ahh ive just been capturing it with wireshark separately
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3373 [21:23:13] <fgrepper> i just want to get better at reading the tcpdump terminal output, but meh wireshark exists for a reason
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3375 [21:23:31] <jelly-home> sometimes the system you're capturing on isn't the same GUI-capable system able to display wireshark
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3377 [21:25:12] <IRCWOlf6262> Ci~
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3427 [21:45:57] <DotHack> hiya!
3428 [21:46:30] <somiaj> greetings
3429 [21:46:44] <DotHack> using debian jessie with systemd and cups i get a log message with cups print service started on each print that is being made
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3431 [21:47:18] <DotHack> its a busy production system with lots of prints so lots of messages.. anyone knows how to disable this behaviuo?
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3441 [21:50:24] <dwarfmut> what tool you use for build deb packages with jenkins ?
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3443 [21:50:35] <somiaj> jenkins?
3444 [21:50:42] <dwarfmut> somiaj: yes
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3446 [21:50:50] <somiaj> what is jenkins, I'm not famialr with it.
3447 [21:50:59] <missmbob> DotHack: edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf and change AccessLogLevel to config
3448 [21:50:59] <DotHack> its constanlty outputting this: systemd[1]: Started CUPS Printing Service.
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3450 [21:51:40] <somiaj> almost sounds like the service is a hook that runs when needed as opposed to constantly in the background....though unsure on the details, I'd have to look closer at my cups service.
3451 [21:51:43] <dwarfmut> somiaj: replaced-url
3452 [21:52:39] <somiaj> dwarfmut: maybe jenkins support is better suited, but I found this....replaced-url
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3458 [21:54:56] <DotHack> missmbob: its not in the cups accesslog but in the syslog
3459 [21:55:46] <DotHack> somiaj: i have been searching around and there is a cups.socket, seems that this controls the service, but there is also cups.service
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3461 [21:56:35] <somiaj> DotHack: what is the output of systemctl status cups.service
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3463 [21:56:48] <somiaj> DotHack: The .socket is the one that will get triggered for events, and turn run the service.
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3465 [21:58:08] <DotHack> somiaj: replaced-url
3466 [21:58:28] <DotHack> somiaj: the service seems to be active all the time...
3467 [21:59:06] <DotHack> somiaj: and when i stop the cups.socket printing stops...
3468 [21:59:18] <somiaj> DotHack: yea the service might just be running the admin interface and the socket is what gets triggered when a remote print job is sent.
3469 [21:59:43] <somiaj> I don't know cups well enough to know why it is using sockets to triger the remote jobs and not just constantly running. It could be a configuration thing, it could be a design thing.
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3471 [22:00:11] <DotHack> it seems to have changed when systemd got introduced...
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3475 [22:01:09] <ledufakademy> hi
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3477 [22:01:21] <ledufakademy> does anyone play with btrfs under jessie ?
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3481 [22:01:59] <pos> yes
3482 [22:02:16] <somiaj> DotHack: I don't have time to research this much, but replaced-url
3483 [22:02:23] <somiaj> !anyone
3484 [22:02:23] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
3485 [22:03:04] <DotHack> somiaj: thanks going to read that
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3492 [22:06:10] <velix> Does Debian has a group, every users is in ?
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3496 [22:06:56] <tomcres> velix there's users, but it's not populated by default. feel free to add your users to it, though.
3497 [22:07:11] <velix> tomcres: okay, thx
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3519 [22:15:08] <DotHack> well nothing usable there.... seems the service is socket activated and leaves a message for every print..
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3533 [22:21:59] <fgrepper> are NMAP -sF, -sX scans useful in any way when scanning a windows host?
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3563 [22:36:30] <bryn1u> fgrepper: nope
3564 [22:36:53] <bryn1u> only linux
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3566 [22:37:21] <fgrepper> my instructor is having us detail the results when using -sF, -sX, -sN from linux->windows...pointless
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3573 [22:39:35] <bryn1u> i dont remamber but scans aginst
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3577 [22:40:07] <bryn1u> ACK, FIN, XMAS, NULL SCAN
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3579 [22:40:12] <bryn1u> it doesnt work on windows
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3581 [22:40:13] <tw> How do I encourage tmpfs to swap? I can't actually get mine to swap out before softlocking the machine. replaced-url
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3586 [22:41:33] <yaourt> Whats the command to open ports on Debian manually using iptables?
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3588 [22:41:42] <yaourt> because i can't seem to get any open.
3589 [22:41:48] <bryn1u> all ports
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3591 [22:42:06] <bryn1u> iptables -P INPUT
3592 [22:42:13] <missmbob> they're all open by default in debian
3593 [22:42:23] <yaourt> no 443 wont open.
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3595 [22:42:28] <bryn1u> yaourt: check iptables -L
3596 [22:42:29] <missmbob> you again?
3597 [22:42:31] <yaourt> bryn1u, i tried that.
3598 [22:42:38] <missmbob> just changed your nick, huh?
3599 [22:42:43] <yaourt> no?
3600 [22:42:49] <yaourt> Oh my friend must came here, lol
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3602 [22:42:53] <bryn1u> yaourt: so put what u get
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3604 [22:43:14] <yaourt> trying to help him get his ports open... but iptables is not working.
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3606 [22:43:32] <bryn1u> fgrepper: so your instructor is right about it :D
3607 [22:43:53] <missmbob> it's working fine. "he" doesnt have apache listening to 443
3608 [22:43:53] <bryn1u> yaourt: so check if really not working
3609 [22:43:59] <missmbob> has nothing to do with iptables
3610 [22:44:17] <bryn1u> ahhh
3611 [22:44:20] <yaourt> ah, okay.
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3614 [22:45:33] <foreal> i do have it listening on 443 but ports closed all of a sudden i added the listener too the ports.conf
3615 [22:45:37] <foreal> trying a reboot
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3617 [22:46:00] <bryn1u> foreal: try telnet youserver 443
3618 [22:46:14] <bryn1u> if u can connect port is open
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3622 [22:46:46] <missmbob> not if nothing is listening to it
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3624 [22:47:14] <foreal> im getting this with apache now
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3626 [22:47:15] <missmbob> is all you did really create a ports.conf in /etc/apache2/ ?
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3628 [22:47:21] <foreal> ] Restarting apache2 (via systemctl): apache2.serviceJob for apache2.service failed. See 'systemctl status apache2.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details.
3629 [22:47:21] <foreal> failed!
3630 [22:47:33] <foreal> yes i added listener to that file
3631 [22:47:37] <missmbob> yeah. that means you misconfigured it. so there's nothing listening on 443
3632 [22:47:37] <foreal> just like port 80 was
3633 [22:47:44] <foreal> it was fine
3634 [22:47:48] <foreal> it worked a min ago
3635 [22:47:49] <missmbob> foreal: that's not all you have to do
3636 [22:47:52] <foreal> for awhile
3637 [22:47:58] <foreal> oh its not
3638 [22:47:59] <tw> ssl has different params than a regular http port.
3639 [22:48:31] <missmbob> yes, yes it does. but let's keep playing with iptables
3640 [22:48:32] <foreal> cant telnet
3641 [22:48:49] <bryn1u> netstat -ntlp
3642 [22:49:06] <missmbob> you cant telnet because apache isn't running. you just posted that it's not
3643 [22:49:07] <bryn1u> check does apache bind to this port
3644 [22:49:16] <foreal> can somone connect to my server
3645 [22:49:24] <foreal> and see whats goin on
3646 [22:49:26] <missmbob> NOT WITHOUT APACHE RUNNING
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3648 [22:49:33] <foreal> if anyone has time
3649 [22:49:48] <bryn1u> foreal: what do u want to do ?
3650 [22:50:04] <bryn1u> do u want to use ssl with apache
3651 [22:50:06] <bryn1u> or what ?
3652 [22:50:15] <yaourt> he is trying to get some irc bot to work.
3653 [22:50:23] <yaourt> that needs apache.
3654 [22:50:32] <foreal> get my apache back up and running it was fine then when i did the certbot-auto certonly command it finished and worked but apache stoped
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3656 [22:50:56] <foreal> as soon as i did that command
3657 [22:51:19] <foreal> apache stoped working
3658 [22:51:36] <foreal> it was working fine i even had the site of apache up
3659 [22:51:39] <bryn1u> foreal: apt-get --purge remove apache2
3660 [22:51:46] <bryn1u> remove rest of files and install again
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3662 [22:52:21] <missmbob> because you just decided to fuck around with its config instead of looking up a tutorial when you were told you had to properly configure apache to listen to 443. before it was happy because it was just port 80
3663 [22:52:26] <bryn1u> and make a point if u do something first time do a backup !
3664 [22:52:50] <foreal> i did have it working tho it was listening and port was openh
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3668 [22:53:19] <fgrepper> would the response to an -sS/-sT scan on a closed port differ in any way to an -sN/-sF/-sX scan on an open port?
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3670 [22:53:52] <missmbob> yaourt: now that you know apache config is your friend's problem and not iptables nonsense, can you take over?
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3672 [22:54:12] <yaourt> missbob, yeah ill sort it.
3673 [22:54:27] <missmbob> yaourt: thank you!
3674 [22:54:28] <yaourt> missbob, logged in trying to see what the bash history looks like. lol
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3676 [22:54:42] <antisaint> Why would I be getting a sudo: Unable to resolve hostname? Internet works minus chromium...?
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3679 [22:55:17] <tw> probably your machine's hostname isn't in /etc/hosts
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3681 [22:56:37] <antisaint> and its just adding it ie: 127.0.0.1 hostname?
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3687 [22:57:12] <tw> yes, it should be that simple. it should appear before localhost on the same line.
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3694 [23:00:02] <antisaint> replaced-url
3695 [23:00:39] <tw> after 127.0.0.1 before localhost, yes.
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3699 [23:00:59] <antisaint> Kewl, will attempt. thanks
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3703 [23:02:52] <foreal> ok telnet works
3704 [23:03:02] <foreal> says connected
3705 [23:03:06] <missmbob> debian requires a hostname on install, though, so your /etc/hosts shouldn't have been naked. others dont, like fedora
3706 [23:03:17] <missmbob> just make sure you're in debian
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3713 [23:04:39] <antisaint> Im runnind debian on a pi so it may differ ;)
3714 [23:04:51] <missmbob> ah
3715 [23:04:57] <stew> antisaint: which installer did you use?
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3718 [23:05:21] <od> when trying to setup NFS server on Jessie I see in /var/log/messages: nfsd: Unknown symbol setattr_prepare (err 0) & nfsd: Unknown symbol set_posix_acl (err 0)
3719 [23:05:48] <od> the person who created the kernel claims that it works ok on an other box.
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3722 [23:06:00] <od> how can I debug or even fix this?
3723 [23:06:03] <antisaint> None, default image
3724 [23:06:23] <od> antisaint, debian or raspbian?
3725 [23:06:35] <antisaint> Jesse
3726 [23:06:37] <od> close but not the same
3727 [23:06:41] <od> oh. ok
3728 [23:06:52] <od> Raspbian also has a Jessie
3729 [23:07:01] <fgrepper> using tcpdump/wireshark, how would I be able to tell the difference between an -sS scan and an -sT scan when scanning a closed port?
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3746 [23:12:04] <antisaint> How can I get autocomplete with tab to return? I created a new user and it has dissapeared :(
3747 [23:12:28] <tw> chsh -s /bin/bash newuser
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3750 [23:16:05] <bolt> curl replaced-url
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3756 [23:17:27] <missmbob> really. replaced-url
3757 [23:18:48] <somiaj> bolt: I also wouldn't use ftp.debian.org, use ftp.<countrycode>.debian.org instead
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3759 [23:19:16] <bolt> somiaj: me too. just testing there since i also got a 404 on my countrycode
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3762 [23:19:25] <bolt> seems the uncompressed version is gone
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3765 [23:19:57] <Ooze> Should my external IP be added to my /etc/hosts file to make my apache sites available?
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3768 [23:20:33] <phogg> Ooze: available where?
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3772 [23:21:20] <somiaj> Ooze: available to whom?
3773 [23:21:22] <missmbob> bolt: add .xz. replaced-url
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3775 [23:21:24] <Ooze> My external IP changed last week and after configurating my registrar A records, apache configs, etc I'm still unable to reach my sites via correct URL
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3777 [23:21:37] <bolt> missmbob: any idea on how i get apt to do that? :)
3778 [23:21:55] <somiaj> Ooze: it takes a bit of time for DNS changes to go through. Also what was the cache time limit set in your records?
3779 [23:22:03] <missmbob> bolt: you should've said it was apt. pastebin your sources.list
3780 [23:22:06] <Ooze> It's been over a week now
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3782 [23:22:11] <Ooze> I've got it set to 'Automatic'
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3784 [23:22:39] <Ooze> Been going between #httpd and ##networking, they both claim the other is the issue
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3789 [23:23:52] <somiaj> well you can use dig to see what info is actually being given. You were not clear to me on what you updated. The register's records for DNS are sometimes different than the actual DNS config -- register you need to specify the dns servers, then you need to configure the dns server.
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3791 [23:24:07] <somiaj> though some registers do both, just making sure you updated the correct settings.
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3793 [23:25:06] <`Kevin> Ooze: what happens when you hit the site? Do you see anything
3794 [23:25:20] <`Kevin> Ooze: Does anything show up in your apache logs (any of the logs)
3795 [23:25:26] <Ooze> The url of the website itself times out, I'm able to load it at the external IP though
3796 [23:25:42] <`Kevin> Ok so that does sound like a resolving issue
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3798 [23:26:02] <somiaj> yea use dig, and double check your register and dns settings
3799 [23:26:21] <Ooze> My registrar has claimed evertyhinng is okay, had them look like three times now
3800 [23:26:52] <Ooze> I'm not too familar with dig, how should I be using it? Do I need to be on another network for it to be most effective?
3801 [23:27:14] <somiaj> Well to me you still haven't been clear if you set told the register what dns server to use, or if you updated a dns server config.
3802 [23:27:32] <somiaj> you can specify which dns server to use, tell it to use the dns server for your domain.
3803 [23:27:48] <Ooze> somiaj, replaced-url
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3807 [23:28:20] <`Kevin> Ooze: what is the domain that isnt working
3808 [23:28:25] <Ooze> harleyluplow.com
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3810 [23:29:09] <`Kevin> Ooze: is the actual external IP 68.65.10.4 ?
3811 [23:29:18] <Ooze> Yes, it's loading when you visit that too
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3814 [23:29:59] <`Kevin> Not for me unless it is on a non-standard port
3815 [23:30:14] <Ooze> replaced-url
3816 [23:30:25] <Ooze> My friend just said he could load it too, on the other side of the state
3817 [23:30:36] <somiaj> Ooze: PING harleyluplow.com (68.65.10.4)
3818 [23:30:41] <somiaj> that is the ip address I get resolved
3819 [23:30:48] <missmbob> cant ping it though
3820 [23:30:49] <Ooze> That's the correct IP
3821 [23:31:16] <`Kevin> (UNKNOWN) [68.65.10.4] 80 (http) : Connection timed out
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3823 [23:31:25] <somiaj> anyways if the ip is resolving correctly, it could be some firewall on your network
3824 [23:31:50] <Ooze> Yeah, I've got two Windows domain controllers configured but I had someone else help me set them up -- afraid there might be something hiding in there
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3826 [23:31:54] <Ooze> Wouldn't have a clue where to look
3827 [23:32:35] <missmbob> Ooze: are you connected to this machine somehow? ssh?
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3830 [23:32:54] <Ooze> ssh via local IP, yeah
3831 [23:32:57] <Ooze> I can do the same via external
3832 [23:33:30] <missmbob> pastebin ip a
3833 [23:33:34] <Ooze> I can also hit other services hosted on it...
3834 [23:33:44] <Ooze> replaced-url
3835 [23:33:47] <Ooze> Is ZNC
3836 [23:33:53] <`Kevin> :|
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3838 [23:34:50] <Ooze> replaced-url
3839 [23:34:56] <somiaj> Ooze: are you sure the webserver is correctly listening on port 80?
3840 [23:35:14] <Ooze> Listen 80 is configured, I haven't touched that
3841 [23:35:19] <missmbob> so you're so 1337 you're using iptables on this for some reason?
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3843 [23:35:33] <`Kevin> Ooze: from the pastebin output im guessing you have a NAT configuration somewhere that needs updated
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3847 [23:36:12] <fgrepper> is UDP scanning with NMAP on a windows host workable? i am scanning an open port, and expecting no response, per man page, but im receiving a dest. host unreachable response
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3849 [23:36:24] <missmbob> oh jesus christ this is a comcast ip
3850 [23:36:30] <`Kevin> missmbob: yep :|
3851 [23:36:54] <missmbob> i've never known comcast to allow this
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3853 [23:37:13] <`Kevin> missmbob: typically no but i think since it is comcast buisness they allow it
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3855 [23:37:30] <`Kevin> /business
3856 [23:37:31] <missmbob> call comcast. they're blocking ports
3857 [23:37:43] <missmbob> tell them to open ports. pray they do it
3858 [23:38:03] <`Kevin> ^ its either NAT/FW or comcast indeed
3859 [23:38:21] <missmbob> my guess is they wont open port 80
3860 [23:38:27] <Ooze> Yeah? I thought that might be it....
3861 [23:38:34] <Ooze> I had my old IP for like a year and never had issues
3862 [23:38:36] <Ooze> Dammit
3863 [23:38:57] <Ooze> Should I try to release it and get a new one? Or just call?
3864 [23:39:09] <`Kevin> Ooze: thats why I think it could be a old NAT rule somewhere on your router since it `used to work?`
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3866 [23:39:43] <Ooze> Could be
3867 [23:39:56] <Ooze> Using Advanced Tomato, clicking around now
3868 [23:39:57] <missmbob> it used to work because he was on at&t
3869 [23:40:01] <missmbob> :P
3870 [23:40:06] <`Kevin> missmbob: oh yea? ha
3871 [23:40:08] <Ooze> No, it was Comcast before
3872 [23:40:22] <Ooze> ;) jokes?
3873 [23:40:38] <`Kevin> replaced-url
3874 [23:40:41] <missmbob> if you knew what my day looked like you'd get 'em when you can
3875 [23:40:42] <`Kevin> is that toomato?
3876 [23:40:52] <Ooze> an old version, yes
3877 [23:40:56] <`Kevin> check src address there
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3879 [23:41:16] <Ooze> replaced-url
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3881 [23:41:34] <Ooze> Does that load for you?
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3884 [23:41:54] <`Kevin> yea but thats not the port forwarding are and we are WAY off topic at this point
3885 [23:42:05] <`Kevin> actually
3886 [23:42:07] <`Kevin> you fixed it?
3887 [23:42:14] <Ooze> ?
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3889 [23:42:20] <missmbob> yeah it works
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3891 [23:42:29] <`Kevin> ahh nvm similar ip
3892 [23:42:32] <Ooze> Yeah, but not my site
3893 [23:42:40] <Ooze> I can only load that from the external IP
3894 [23:42:42] <Ooze> Not the url
3895 [23:43:14] <Ooze> replaced-url
3896 [23:44:02] <Ooze> Oh hey, shit
3897 [23:44:03] <Ooze> replaced-url
3898 [23:44:16] <Ooze> Is that one related?
3899 [23:44:39] <Ooze> ...maybe I should head back to ##networking
3900 [23:44:44] <od> how can I rebuild initramfs? I think I have on for an old kernel with not all modules needed, while running a newer kernel
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3902 [23:44:52] <od> *one
3903 [23:44:52] <`Kevin> Ooze: all of that looks fine to me
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3906 [23:45:37] <Ooze> So is it likely Comcast at this point? I figure if I'm able to reach via the external IP directly then that can't be the issue
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3908 [23:45:40] <Ooze> As port 80 is obviously open
3909 [23:45:52] <`Kevin> the last thing you pasted was routing table, looks fine. yes
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3911 [23:46:21] <tomcres> most cable companies block incoming connections on port 80
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3913 [23:47:14] <Ooze> Well, if you're able to load those photos that mustn't be right, right?
3914 [23:47:27] <`Kevin> Ooze: isnt that a different IP?
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3916 [23:47:39] <Ooze> um
3917 [23:48:08] <Ooze> Holy shit man
3918 [23:48:23] <`Kevin> you typod the dns ? :)
3919 [23:48:33] <Ooze> 68.56.10.4
3920 [23:48:33] <Ooze> 68.65.10.4
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3922 [23:48:36] <`Kevin> yep
3923 [23:48:36] <Ooze> It appears that way...
3924 [23:48:38] <Ooze> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
3925 [23:48:43] <Ooze> ahahahahahah okay
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3941 [23:54:41] <missmbob> Ooze: i dont know if you care but i'd definitely look at port 22
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3943 [23:56:04] <missmbob> or at least open something for ssh (yeah, i scanned the IP)
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3950 [23:58:58] <Ooze> I disabled it ;)
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3952 [23:59:26] <Gerowen> Could somebody explain to me why this script isn't actually writing anything to the log file I created? The script is being ran by root's cron schedule properly because new files get replicated, but nothing actually gets written to the log file.
3953 [23:59:27] <Gerowen> replaced-url
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