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• 1[00:00:56] <RickHull> pulseaudio is using 65% CPU when playing FTL's 8-bit style soundtrack
• 2[00:01:11] <RickHull> and the audio is totally distorted and choppy
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• 6[00:01:57] <RickHull> I've tried this and the above suggestions: replaced-url
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• 8[00:02:22] <RickHull> not sure what else to look at for troubleshooting
• 9[00:02:36] <mtn> RickHull: look at the arch wiki, too
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• 11[00:03:58] <n4dir> some call it "the bible" ... :-)
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• 16[00:05:37] <teraflops> RickHull: maybe resampling is doing shit, did you touch that option?
• 17[00:05:57] <teraflops> RickHull: if yes, _why_?
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• 20[00:06:44] <RickHull> i have not touched resampling
• 21[00:06:54] <RickHull> perhaps 12 months ago when troubleshooting something similar but I doubt it
• 22[00:07:00] <teraflops> RickHull: or, it is a weak machine? arm sbc or somethig like that?
• 23[00:07:08] <RickHull> it's an old core 2 duo
• 24[00:07:17] <RickHull> 1.6 GHz
• 25[00:07:25] <RickHull> T5500 I think
• 26[00:07:50] <RickHull> pulseaudio is doing something very wrong to use so much CPU for simple playback
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• 28[00:08:31] <RickHull> I had FTL working well on this machine 12+ months ago. several dist-upgrades etc ago
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• 50[00:15:31] <oblio> when i run apt-get update i get the following error for each line in my sources: Couldn't execute /usr/bin/apt-key
• 51[00:15:45] <oblio> but the binary runs fine, anyone have any thoughts? i've tried googling around but not getting anywhere
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• 74[00:22:27] <freemind> how to install jre java manually on Debian?
• 75[00:23:09] <cynicallemon> why?
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• 78[00:23:41] <freemind> curiosity
• 79[00:23:53] <SuperTramp83> it killed the cat :(
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• 82[00:24:01] <freemind> And I dont want use ppa
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• 84[00:24:21] <cynicallemon> is there a .deb package for it?
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• 88[00:24:53] <freemind> No cynicallemon. Is tar.gz
• 89[00:25:43] <cynicallemon> well thats a compressed file so you cant install from that
• 90[00:26:04] <cynicallemon> decompress it and see whats inside
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• 102[00:31:11] <missmbob> !install java
• 103[00:31:11] <dpkg> For the Java web browser plugin, install the icedtea-plugin package. For other Java programs, install the default-jre package to get the default or manually select one of openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-7-jre yourself. The old <sun-java6> packages are best avoided as Oracle now forbids Debian providing any security updates to them. See also <java alternatives>.
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• 106[00:33:04] <cynicallemon> missmbob: he wants to install it manually
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• 111[00:33:52] <heston> hello, so I wanted to stop some annoying system bells and I used xset b off and that works but it's back when my session locker(light-locker) is up
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• 122[00:40:38] <Hirnblaehung> !install samba
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• 125[00:41:41] <theneverlution> just saying hi :)
• 126[00:41:49] <Hirnblaehung> hu
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• 129[00:42:26] <Brigo> heston, i am using /etc/inputrc (readline configuration file) and it works for me.
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• 132[00:44:05] <heston> Bringo, did you just do "set bell-style none"?
• 133[00:44:11] <heston> and does that disable it system wide?
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• 142[00:45:20] <Brigo> heston, yes, and i am not Bringo as everybody keeps calling me :)
• 143[00:45:44] <heston> ah ok. Hah sorry
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• 145[00:46:04] <Brigo> heston, i am already used to it :D
• 146[00:46:04] <heston> Brigo, thank you
• 147[00:46:11] <Brigo> heston, np, good luck
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• 151[00:47:27] <heston> lol it's not even another user here for tab completion. Bringo just seems to come out haha.
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• 175[01:02:27] <otyugh> heya.
• 176[01:03:43] <otyugh> connected as some user, every time a write "ssh <anything>" I get connected throught ssh to a machine I do connect sometimes. There is no alias. What could explain this odd behaviour ?
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• 179[01:05:13] <otyugh> (I must add that using ssh behave normaly connected as another user)
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• 184[01:08:19] <pingouin> bye bye #debian
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• 187[01:08:37] <toruvinn> otyugh, host <anything>, also cat ~/.ssh/config perhaps?
• 188[01:09:05] <toruvinn> otyugh, ah, works on another user, i'd check ~/.ssh/config then
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• 191[01:09:48] <otyugh> toruvinn, this is actually smart enought :O
• 192[01:10:16] <otyugh> yeah there is stuff there
• 193[01:10:22] <otyugh> let's wipe them out
• 194[01:10:54] <otyugh> (for the record, something about ControlMaster and ControlPath ?)
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• 196[01:12:03] <otyugh> yup. Was it. Big thanks toruvinn :)
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• 199[01:13:12] <toruvinn> otyugh, yw, although im not even sure what controlmaster+others were ;-P
• 200[01:13:26] <otyugh> It was about connecting using a socket
• 201[01:13:34] <toruvinn> ah, now i get it.
• 202[01:13:38] <otyugh> years ago I did played with the ssh config, totally forgot about it
• 203[01:13:46] <heston> hmm setting set bell-style none in /etc/inputrc didnt actually disable the system bell
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• 205[01:14:16] <toruvinn> otyugh, im guessing your controlpath was set to something which resulted in the same socket name for each connection, so instead of creating a new connection you were just connecting to the same socket.
• 206[01:14:35] <otyugh> toruvinn, you reached the same thing I guessed ^^'
• 207[01:14:40] <toruvinn> otyugh, replaced-url
• 208[01:15:11] <otyugh> this is quite confusing, but all my bad really
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• 212[01:15:29] <otyugh> bad, bad config scraps let everywhere
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• 221[01:21:06] <toruvinn> otyugh, well i've learned something new today, thanks. it's actually sorta useful except for the fact i smell an awful security issue if someone gains access to your sockets somehow ;-)
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• 223[01:22:48] <otyugh> toruvinn agreed. Thanks a lot too, I was not looking for this config file anytime. I should have. x)
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• 257[01:41:12] <zuiss1> i'm experiencing some slow performance in my virtualbox guest even though my host has a lot of ram and good graphics card. anyone know why that might be?
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• 284[01:55:18] <teraflops> zuiss1: disk io? video playback/performance? also a good/great graphics card does not help more than an intel igpu
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• 293[01:59:48] <zuiss1> teraflops: just a slight lag when opening menus, and normal use
• 294[01:59:57] <zuiss1> slight lag but it's noticeable
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• 297[02:00:14] <zuiss1> i gave the vm 4GB of ram and chose 3D acceleration
• 298[02:00:29] <zuiss1> when i check 2D acceleration virtualbox gives me an error saying that's only for windows guests
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• 303[02:02:30] <aaro> zuiss1, install guest-additions, also disabling graphics acceleration might help
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• 305[02:02:46] <zuiss1> i have guest additions installed
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• 316[02:15:00] <demo> some one nwo how to install tor on antix
• 317[02:15:11] <demo> now
• 318[02:15:25] <themill> !antix
• 319[02:15:26] <dpkg> antiX is a live CD distribution based on <MEPIS>. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
• 320[02:15:54] <demo> thank
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• 376[02:27:57] <mactimes> Err... Would someone, confirm that latest release does NOT have _ping_ by default?
• 377[02:28:20] <bazhang> 8.7?
• 378[02:28:27] <mactimes> And it is actually necessary to install a package to have it back?
• 379[02:28:42] <mactimes> Yeah, latest one. Don't know which, just made a net install yesterday.
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• 426[02:29:15] <missmbob> it comes with ping
• 427[02:29:18] <themill> ,i iputils-ping
• 428[02:29:19] <judd> Package iputils-ping (net, important) in jessie/amd64: Tools to test the reachability of network hosts. Version: 3:20121221-5+b2; Size: 55.2k; Installed: 116k
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• 432[02:29:35] <themill> mactimes: ^^ you've got to work pretty hard not to have priority:important packages installed
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• 437[02:30:11] <stoned> installed hydrogen and I can't get any sound using any of the listed drivers in the drop down
• 438[02:30:17] <stoned> I have sound in the sytem working
• 439[02:31:29] <mactimes> themill I haven't changed anything. Just ran normal installation.
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• 441[02:32:04] <themill> mactimes: is the iputils-ping package installed?
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• 443[02:32:13] <mactimes> themill Let me check.
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• 446[02:32:47] <mactimes> themill Nope, it is not.
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• 450[02:33:38] <mactimes> themill But again, I haven't made any package selection/configuration. Just ran normal installation.
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• 452[02:33:58] <themill> that package is on the netinst and should be installed without you doing anything
• 453[02:34:12] <mactimes> themill Yeah, so I expected...
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• 455[02:35:10] <mactimes> themill I was just astonished right now, when ran ping to localhost and received back a *bash: ping: command not found*
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• 461[02:35:55] <themill> the installer keeps a log -- perhaps that is enlightening
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• 472[02:36:18] <mactimes> themill Yeah, thanks. I'll take a look at that.
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• 496[02:47:37] <RickHull> can anyone recommend a WM/DE for a low power machine (core 2 duo, 1.7 GHz, 2G RAM) and 1024x768? looking for light weight, primarily terminal and web browser
• 497[02:47:53] <RickHull> i'm using XFCE at the moment, but it seems to not be keeping up with pulseaudio, systemd, etc
• 498[02:48:11] <RickHull> have used LXDE before. i like the idea of tiling WM, and keyboard focus
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• 501[02:49:23] <RickHull> i think 1024x768 is maybe too small for effective tiling. i seem to need to do a lot of arranging and overlapping. e.g. troubleshooting on web while typing into terminal
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• 510[02:55:51] <awal1> RickHull, there are like 20/30 WM's available on debian
• 511[02:56:35] <awal1> I tried them almost all, and all are good; but some are easy to configure, others no so much
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• 513[02:57:23] <pfred1> I run an out of repo DE
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• 515[02:57:41] <pfred1> so 20/30 WM's ain't enough!
• 516[02:57:44] <noahmg123> onboard keyboard is layering
• 517[02:57:50] <noahmg123> aka any change is layered on top instead of being a regular change
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• 519[02:58:43] <vvande__> was just looking to download a Debian ISO for somebody. Is there a way to avoid Gnome, or is it even worth thinking about that. I don't seem to be able to find a basic Debian OS download. It's like they want you to have a DE too or something.
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• 521[02:58:50] <awal1> RickHull, the lightest and easiest to configure i have found is jwm
• 522[02:59:07] <pfred1> vvande__ get the net install pick expert then install nothing
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• 524[02:59:14] <RickHull> I'm looking for one that can make the most of 1024x768 and has good keyboard interface
• 525[02:59:23] <vvande__> pfred1: thanks ... looking now
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• 527[02:59:30] <awal1> mature and very stable, openbox & fvwm
• 528[02:59:31] <RickHull> just basic features are fine
• 529[02:59:42] <missmbob> vvande__: replaced-url
• 530[02:59:55] <pfred1> vvande__ then when you figure out what DE you want install it with aptitude and that will pull in the X Window deps
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• 532[03:00:19] <awal1> RickHull, you want keyboard oriented?
• 533[03:00:23] <RickHull> do I have to decide on qt / gtk ?
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• 535[03:01:05] <pfred1> RickHull you can have both I do
• 536[03:01:06] <RickHull> kb oriented is good, but I don't want to be overwhelmed either. I am used to using e.g. emacs
• 537[03:01:08] <vvande__> pfred1: OK, that works for me. I'll do that in a minute.
• 538[03:01:24] <pfred1> vvande__ be aware you will be stuck in teh console initially
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• 540[03:01:35] <vvande__> I prefer that
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• 542[03:01:43] <vvande__> that's what I call an OS - lol
• 543[03:01:54] <pfred1> vvande__ then that's how yo udo it net install expert then select nothing
• 544[03:02:29] <vvande__> I made a mistake when I installed two other Debian boxes before. When I upgrade, I'll do it this way.
• 545[03:02:30] <pfred1> your system will boot go online and that's about it
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• 548[03:03:02] <awal1> RickHull, openbox is my favorite; but anyway, it's a matter of choice
• 549[03:03:03] <vvande__> I've done that before. Just had trouble getting what I want. I'm not so good at reading web sites like that. :(
• 550[03:03:13] <awal1> all are good :P
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• 552[03:05:34] <RickHull> they all have complaints too, I trust :)
• 553[03:05:34] <pfred1> vvande__ you might have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list in the console
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• 555[03:06:13] <RickHull> with XFCE, it doesn't know what to do with pulseaudio and some systemd stuff
• 556[03:06:46] <RickHull> my old setup was using xscreensaver to lock the screen and that doesn't make sense anymore, or is broken now for whatever reason
• 557[03:06:56] <pfred1> I have not run a systemd system yet myself I'm still on Wheezy
• 558[03:07:20] <RickHull> i don't mind systemd, but there seems to be some rough edges to the integration story still
• 559[03:07:44] <pfred1> I just don't want to upgrade right now I have most everything I want
• 560[03:08:13] <pfred1> I have a lot of custom built software on my system
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• 562[03:10:31] <RickHull> any complaints with LXDE? I can't remember why I stopped using it. does it get out of date with certain things?
• 563[03:10:54] <RickHull> with plain openbox, can I still get a notification / systray area?
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• 569[03:14:02] <User_Dany> hola ?
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• 574[03:19:51] <awal1> RickHull, openbox needs a few extra stuff, dunst for notifications/wmsystemtry
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• 578[03:20:29] <awal1> or use tint2 as panel, it have system tray stuff and so
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• 616[03:46:18] <dvs> What was wrong with the 8.7.0 images?
• 617[03:46:47] <missmbob> it was built with debug and the name was HACK
• 618[03:46:59] <dvs> Oh, that'll do it.
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• 664[04:02:19] <S1ohy> hi, notify-send isnt working for me, as in not displaying anything
• 665[04:02:24] <S1ohy> >notify-send "Message Title" "The message body is shown here"
• 666[04:02:26] <S1ohy> does nothing
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• 668[04:02:45] <missmbob> S1ohy: you probably have to explort DISPLAY
• 669[04:02:55] <missmbob> export*
• 670[04:02:58] <S1ohy> ?
• 671[04:03:08] <S1ohy> what should be the value of DISPLAY?
• 672[04:03:38] <missmbob> it can vary. try DISPLAY=:0.0
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• 676[04:04:22] <S1ohy> both :0.0 and :0 return: bash: export: `:0.0': not a valid identifier
• 677[04:04:36] <S1ohy> when exporting
• 678[04:05:18] <missmbob> just type DISPLAY=:0.0 and hit enter
• 679[04:05:39] <pfred1> you have to export it to your environment
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• 682[04:07:15] <S1ohy> ok so
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• 684[04:07:18] <S1ohy> >ps axu | grep "X "
• 685[04:07:27] <S1ohy> shows DISPLAY should be 0:00
• 686[04:07:44] <S1ohy> but setting it to that value still does not make notify-send display anything
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• 720[04:21:48] <laserbeak4445> Hello
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• 723[04:22:16] <klys> hello...
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• 726[04:23:05] <laserbeak4445> I'm thinking of switching to Debian testing
• 727[04:23:20] <missmbob> !debian-next
• 728[04:23:20] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 729[04:23:49] <laserbeak4445> ok :)
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• 733[04:25:02] <laserbeak4445> so I guess I'm better to go ask my question on oftc then...Sorry! :)
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• 747[04:34:34] <Guest68167> whats up
• 748[04:34:45] <dvs> my blood pressure
• 749[04:34:54] <Guest68167> haha
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• 754[04:37:29] <pfred1> I'm calm now i almost tossed my PC earlier today though
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• 798[05:12:26] <heston> i did some googling but havent found the proper way to blacklist kernel modules in jessie
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• 805[05:18:48] <somiaj> I belive that still works, though you can actually use any foo.conf file in that directory and need not use blacklist.conf directly
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• 807[05:19:31] <somiaj> For example nvidia puts a nvidia-blacklists-nouveau.conf file there
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• 813[05:24:20] <heston> alright, I just need the system speaker/bell disabled, was going to blacklist the kernel module
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• 821[05:33:24] <mohammad-ghasemi> please take a look at this image and tell me if you had the same problem replaced-url
• 822[05:33:31] <somiaj> heston: so pcspkr-blacklist.conf may be a more descriptive file for that.
• 823[05:33:37] <mohammad-ghasemi> every now and then text gets hard to read. It gets fixed by restarting the pc
• 824[05:34:50] <heston> somiaj, yeah I just figured debian had a more modern approach
• 825[05:34:56] <somiaj> mohammad-ghasemi: might just be a video driver, so restart xorg may fix it? My limited experience with stuff like that is bad video hardware (or maybe just buggy driver)
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• 827[05:36:02] <heston> mohammad-ghasemi, your card might be dying. Does that happen in any other OS?
• 828[05:36:22] <heston> dying/overheating
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• 830[05:38:35] <mohammad-ghasemi> heston: I don't know. Just use debian.
• 831[05:39:35] <mohammad-ghasemi> heston: thank you
• 832[05:39:38] <heston> mohammad-ghasemi, are you using proprietary drivers or the free drivers for an ati card?
• 833[05:39:48] <mohammad-ghasemi> heston: free
• 834[05:39:55] <heston> which card?
• 835[05:40:16] <mohammad-ghasemi> It is an Ausus laptop with an onboard card
• 836[05:40:20] <mohammad-ghasemi> intel card
• 837[05:40:36] <mohammad-ghasemi> heston:
• 838[05:41:23] <heston> does it only corrupt certain applications? It looks like only the fonts for that application are bad
• 839[05:41:42] <mohammad-ghasemi> heston: yes some applications get affected and some do not
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• 841[05:42:11] <heston> but just the fonts right?
• 842[05:42:29] <mohammad-ghasemi> heston: yes.
• 843[05:43:06] <mohammad-ghasemi> heston: but it sometime happen for one application and sometime for the other
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• 845[05:43:43] <mohammad-ghasemi> heston: sometime multiple applications at once
• 846[05:44:12] <heston> mohammad-ghasemi, which version of debian
• 847[05:44:37] <mohammad-ghasemi> how to get the version?
• 848[05:44:39] <mohammad-ghasemi> heston:
• 849[05:45:24] <mohammad-ghasemi> how to check i mean
• 850[05:45:37] <somiaj> mohammad-ghasemi: kernel and intel video driver do you have installed (or better yet what version of debian)
• 851[05:46:12] <somiaj> mohammad-ghasemi: can you provide us the output of apt-cache policy at paste.debian.net
• 852[05:46:42] <heston> mohammad-ghasemi, cat /etc/debian_version
• 853[05:46:49] <heston> in a terminal
• 854[05:47:46] <mohammad-ghasemi> replaced-url
• 855[05:48:01] <mohammad-ghasemi> heston: 8.6
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• 857[05:48:26] <mohammad-ghasemi> somiaj: replaced-url
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• 864[05:53:50] <heston> mohammad-ghasemi, whats the output for lsmod
• 865[05:54:55] <mohammad-ghasemi> heston: replaced-url
• 866[05:56:35] <somiaj> mohammad-ghasemi: the kernel and intel video driver from jessie-backports may improve this.
• 867[05:56:40] <somiaj> !bpo knerel
• 868[05:56:44] <somiaj> !bpo kernel
• 869[05:56:45] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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• 871[05:56:59] <somiaj> you will need that and the package xserver-xorg-video-intel from jessie-backports.
• 872[05:57:22] <somiaj> this is only under the huntch, a newer driver may fix some bugs in certain hardware. But you won't know unless you try, and it may not work.
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• 874[05:57:59] <mohammad-ghasemi> somiaj: thank you!
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• 877[06:00:09] <heston> mohammad-ghasemi, in the meantime, try changing your anti aliasing settings or pixel hinting
• 878[06:01:06] <mohammad-ghasemi> heston: I should first find them. thank you
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• 880[06:04:21] <mohammad-ghasemi> somiaj: heston watch this in return replaced-url
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• 889[06:08:59] <somiaj> mohammad-ghasemi: thanks, but as a support channel please try to refrian from sharing off topic links here, there are other social chanels for that.
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• 892[06:11:44] <mohammad-ghasemi> somiaj: okay
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• 948[06:41:41] <heston> debian doesnt come with memtest86+ by default? I've been using ubuntu for so long I thought it did
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• 951[06:44:58] <Zardoz> heston, I thought when I loaded with the debian desktop it was in the grub menu at start
• 952[06:45:27] <Zardoz> that was with 8.7
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• 955[06:45:52] <somiaj> depends on what you consider default, it is an optional package
• 956[06:46:22] <somiaj> though some larger tasks may include it in their depends.
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• 958[06:46:49] <moonpunter> Is it possible to uninstall and reinstall all gtk libraries in one go?
• 959[06:48:34] <wmm> moonpunter, why would you do that?
• 960[06:48:39] <heston> Zardoz, well not for me. And I did a recent install with a netinstall for 8.7
• 961[06:48:51] <moonpunter> I'm having a few different, consistent errors regarding symbol lookup
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• 963[06:49:29] <somiaj> and why do you think reinstalling them will fix this issue?
• 964[06:49:42] <wmm> uninstall/reinstall is not going to help in that case, better !paste the errors and ask how to fix them
• 965[06:49:45] <wmm> !paste
• 966[06:49:46] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 967[06:49:51] <awal1> Using only FF addons from debian is wiser #842939
• 968[06:49:53] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 970[06:50:02] <somiaj> sounds to me more like version issues, care to give the output of apt-cache policy of one of the libs you think is misbheaving.
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• 972[06:50:41] <moonpunter> Doing it
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• 974[06:51:04] <awal1> replaced-url
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• 980[06:54:59] * awal1 wonders if all other mozilla addons, a bunch of them available in debian as xul-ext-..., are also malwares :P
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• 986[06:59:03] <moonpunter> I don't know which gtk package is giving the problem
• 987[06:59:09] <moonpunter> It just tells about broken symbols
• 988[06:59:52] <moonpunter> I want to apt-show-versions for only installed gtk programs
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• 1047[07:39:53] <moonpunter> It seems libgtk-3-0 was definitely not installed and that apt/itude could not find it in repo; even after adding stretch, it could not find; downloaded manually, installed, and it found some new stuff to upgrade
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• 1050[07:41:00] <wmm> moonpunter, xfce4-terminal from jessie does not want gtk_menu_popup_at_pointer so this should not happen in the first place
• 1051[07:41:19] <moonpunter> I'm on sid
• 1052[07:41:21] <wmm> xfce4-terminal from stretch does want it, but stretch's gtk3 also supplies it, so shouldn't be anissue there either
• 1053[07:42:08] <moonpunter> It's a new thing, yeah, I saw
• 1054[07:42:13] <moonpunter> But what about this gdk error
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• 1060[07:45:34] <wmm> how could xfce4-terminal be installed without its dependency?
• 1061[07:45:50] <moonpunter> That's why I'm thinking the whole thing is corrupt
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• 1065[07:46:12] <moonpunter> Now I've installed libgtk-3-0 manually via dpkg; same errors
• 1066[07:46:36] <wmm> apt-cache depends xfce4-terminal
• 1067[07:46:56] <wmm> do you have a custom build, external repos/ppas?
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• 1069[07:47:04] <moonpunter> not currently
• 1070[07:47:12] <moonpunter> but i'm known to get tunnel vision when wanting something to work
• 1071[07:47:32] <wmm> also, apt-cache policy xfce4-terminal
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• 1073[07:48:19] <moonpunter> 0.8.2 is at 100
• 1074[07:48:28] <moonpunter> -1
• 1075[07:48:39] <moonpunter> it requires libgtk-3-0
• 1076[07:48:46] <themill> pinning of -1? that's never a good look
• 1077[07:49:01] <wmm> just post the thing and shut off the brain
• 1078[07:49:05] <moonpunter> 0.8.2-1
• 1079[07:49:13] <wmm> let's see the full output, where it comes from etc.
• 1080[07:49:27] <themill> real output in pastebins > typos on irc
• 1081[07:49:42] <moonpunter> replaced-url
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• 1083[07:51:50] <moonpunter> the two have gtk, glib, pango, and cairo2 in common
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• 1087[07:53:28] <wmm> apt-cache policy libgtk-3-0
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• 1089[07:55:13] <moonpunter> replaced-url
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• 1096[07:57:15] <wmm> seems legit, so should be working now
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• 1098[07:57:32] <moonpunter> lol
• 1099[07:57:37] <moonpunter> ikr!
• 1100[07:58:16] <moonpunter> where can i find more info on these errors it's giving?
• 1101[07:58:21] <moonpunter> basically three apps that i like to use a lot
• 1102[07:58:36] <moonpunter> whole thing has given me pretty dark thoughts, like switching back to xubuntu
• 1103[07:59:01] <somiaj> moonpunter: are you mixing jessie and stretch sources? The errors you are getting sound more like that and that can sometimes be a lot of work to get out of?
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• 1105[07:59:27] <moonpunter> i JUSt added a stretch repo to try and get libgtk to run
• 1106[07:59:29] <moonpunter> install*
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• 1108[07:59:38] <moonpunter> before that, it only had jessie testing repos
• 1109[07:59:49] <somiaj> you can't just add stretch repos to debian jessie and expect things to work, debian doesn't work that way
• 1110[07:59:54] <somiaj> also jessie is stable, not testing.
• 1111[08:00:05] <somiaj> !dontbreakdebian
• 1112[08:00:05] <dpkg> hmm... dont break debian is replaced-url
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• 1114[08:00:22] <moonpunter> i don't need this lecture mate
• 1115[08:00:25] <somiaj> moonpunter: you can try to fully upgrade to stretch and see if that fixes your problems, or reinstall jessie and don't mix with stretch.
• 1116[08:00:41] <moonpunter> i'm on testing
• 1117[08:00:58] <moonpunter> literally nothing has installed from stretch, since it still did not see the package
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• 1123[08:04:23] <themill> "I'm on testing" and "nothing has installed from stretch" are completely contradictory statements
• 1124[08:04:40] <moonpunter> ..
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• 1127[08:05:15] <themill> which then makes it somewhat impossible to work out what you're trying to do and what is wrong
• 1128[08:05:27] <moonpunter> there is a testing repo and a stretch repo
• 1129[08:05:29] <moonpunter> what am i missing
• 1130[08:05:37] <themill> testing == stretch
• 1131[08:05:58] <wmm> the pastebins say you do have pkgs from stretch
• 1132[08:06:20] <wmm> if you're comparing testing/sid with xubuntu then I have to ask, why are you using debian sid in the firstg place
• 1133[08:06:21] <moonpunter> it says they're available
• 1134[08:06:29] <moonpunter> 500 = available
• 1135[08:06:46] <howyoubeen> I've been given an old i3 inspiron running win7 for school, think debian-stable is too outdated? Just need LibreOffice and a browser more or less
• 1136[08:06:50] <wmm> asterisk = installed
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• 1138[08:07:16] <howyoubeen> i want to go with debian, but not sure if i should go stable or testing
• 1139[08:07:21] <moonpunter> and?
• 1140[08:07:42] <themill> howyoubeen: nothing wrong with stable there; you can grab a newer libreoffice from backports if you need that
• 1141[08:07:52] <howyoubeen> ah yes, backports
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• 1143[08:08:03] <somiaj> howyoubeen: I would stick with stable, it should run just fine and that hardware, and you can get a newer libreoffice from jessie-backports if the one in jessie doesn't suit your needs.
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• 1145[08:08:22] <howyoubeen> its been a while forgot about that option, thanks for the reminder
• 1146[08:08:33] <howyoubeen> this is going to be great!
• 1147[08:08:34] <themill> somiaj: Now that's what I call staying on message ;)
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• 1150[08:11:12] <howyoubeen> im really curious to see how calc compares to excel. Not a big fan of excel and I don't need to do much heavy lifting with calc so I think it will work out pretty well
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• 1153[08:11:59] <moonpunter> from File: libgtk-3-0:amd64.symbols -- " gtk_menu_popup_at_pointer@Base 3.21.5"
• 1154[08:12:17] <wmm> replaced-url
• 1155[08:12:19] <themill> howyoubeen: It looks and feels like Excel 2003. The graphs look just as ugly. Spreadsheets are seldom the right tool for a job but they are a ubiquitous tool that can be made to do lots of jobs.
• 1156[08:13:54] <howyoubeen> themill, I agree but I have one finance class that requires it. Well, not excel. We could use google docs if we want, but I'm interested in learning more about LOffice over all anyways so it seems like a good opportunity
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• 1158[08:14:27] <moonpunter> so now it seems the problem i'm facing is that i know these symbols exist but the software does not want to use them
• 1159[08:14:44] <moonpunter> i'll try compiling xfce4-terminal from source i guess
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• 1181[08:29:04] <howyoubeen> holy cheese this is A LOT snappier than I thought it would be hehe this is great
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• 1184[08:29:45] <howyoubeen> i would never know this was a 5 year old laptop, this is going to be awesome
• 1185[08:30:23] <pfred1> howyoubeen just 5 years old? I have a 12 year old laptop running here
• 1186[08:30:37] <howyoubeen> haha, im impressed!
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• 1188[08:31:14] <pfred1> the screen is funny now though it only works if the lid is almost closed
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• 1193[08:31:39] <howyoubeen> aw that's too bad. can you run an external monitor with it?
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• 1196[08:32:22] <pfred1> I'm thinking about upgrading
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• 1201[08:35:17] <nullm0dem> i have a few laptops which run headless, one just exports chrome over vnc.
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• 1205[08:35:56] <pfred1> that's something that's messed up on my system anymore Chromium just doesn't work
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• 1211[08:36:56] <pfred1> I start Chromium and it loads this page that says aw snap something is broken
• 1212[08:36:58] <nullm0dem> pfred1: it wont start?
• 1213[08:37:04] <nullm0dem> ah
• 1214[08:37:25] <nullm0dem> have you tried to remove the package and reinstall it
• 1215[08:37:29] <pfred1> yeah it starts but it can't seem to load a webpage
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• 1218[08:38:00] <pfred1> nullm0dem I tried to compile a new copy
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• 1220[08:38:35] <pfred1> I think i may have installed a buggy plugin into it
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• 1226[08:42:07] <nullm0dem> pfred1: thats my first guess
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• 1230[08:44:50] <nullm0dem> pfred1: have you tried --disable-plugins --disable-extensions from shell?
• 1231[08:45:07] <pfred1> nullm0dem no I should give that a try
• 1232[08:45:25] <nullm0dem> ;)
• 1233[08:45:45] <pfred1> nope didn't work
• 1234[08:45:52] <pfred1> I still get the aw snap page
• 1235[08:46:23] <pfred1> but i am getting error messages in the console
• 1236[08:46:32] <nullm0dem> perfect
• 1237[08:46:37] <pfred1> [7:7:0118/024427:ERROR:nss_util.cc(211)] Error initializing NSS without a persistent database: NSS error code: -8023
• 1238[08:46:49] <pfred1> sounds serious
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• 1240[08:47:06] <pfred1> to the Google cave!
• 1241[08:47:33] <nullm0dem> :) my IRC console is a pi3 without a browser
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• 1246[08:48:44] <howyoubeen> replaced-url
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• 1249[08:49:45] <howyoubeen> nevermind, it's from 2011. my bad
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• 1252[08:50:57] <jelly> pfred1: does this happen with a fresh user or at least a fresh profile/user-data-dir ?
• 1253[08:51:11] <pfred1> jelly I don't know
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• 1256[08:51:42] <jelly> try it.
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• 1274[08:59:16] <pfred1> I wonder if this libnss3 package isn't borked?
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• 1277[09:00:55] <jelly> pfred1: didi you manage to replicate the issue with a new user?
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• 1279[09:01:30] <pfred1> jelly I'm not going to bother that has nothing to do with it
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• 1281[09:01:50] <pfred1> the problem is with a system library another user is goign to use the same hared object
• 1282[09:03:24] <jelly> okay
• 1283[09:03:41] <nullm0dem> pfred1: is it possible 64bit/32 bit libs are the issue?
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• 1285[09:03:59] <nullm0dem> you mentioned you compiled chromium and also installed from apt
• 1286[09:04:04] <pfred1> nullm0dem maybe 32 bit I don't run 64
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• 1288[09:04:17] <pfred1> nullm0dem no the build never finished
• 1289[09:04:31] <nullm0dem> ah ok
• 1290[09:04:50] <pfred1> so I'm using the same craptacular Chromium out of Wheezy's repo
• 1291[09:04:53] <nullm0dem> you have done a complete purge?
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• 1294[09:05:56] <pfred1> I'd actually rather revisit that build but ATM I'm working on something else
• 1295[09:06:43] <pfred1> I only use chromium where firefox has problems with some embedded videos
• 1296[09:07:16] <pfred1> some videos the audio is static in firefox it happens like on the weather channel
• 1297[09:07:38] <pfred1> but they used to play fine in chromium
• 1298[09:07:48] <nullm0dem> My chromium box runs arch, its and old laptop tossed under mydesk i connect to with xrdp has its own audio out
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• 1300[09:08:06] <nullm0dem> im wierd like that
• 1301[09:08:36] <pfred1> right now i want to get Slic3r to build
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• 1303[09:09:05] <pfred1> but there's an issue with the copy of boost installed that i need to work around
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• 1305[09:09:27] <pfred1> there's an environment variable i can set and point to an alternate install
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• 1308[09:10:06] <pfred1> Slic3r needs a shell script wrapper to run anyways so no biggie
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• 1311[09:11:32] <nullm0dem> neat!
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• 1314[09:12:55] <pfred1> yeah that's one way to sidestep library version dependencies
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• 1316[09:13:32] <pfred1> just start the binary with a shell script and export environment variables to it
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• 1318[09:13:57] <pfred1> that's how i got Eagle to run on this system
• 1319[09:14:06] <nullm0dem> yep
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• 1321[09:15:58] <nullm0dem> i have to rebuild this pi3 image, good luck with the Slic3r build pfred1
• 1322[09:16:13] <pfred1> but someday I'm going to want to fix Chromium
• 1323[09:16:38] <nullm0dem> just throw it on n old machine and toss it under the desk ;)
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• 1325[09:17:10] <nullm0dem> be back in a few
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• 1327[09:17:55] <ImUs3r> i input info.php at explore. but i can see only this text <?php phpinfo(); ?> . :( what’s wrong?
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• 1337[09:23:02] <jelly> ImUs3r: what does "at explore" mean?
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• 1340[09:23:19] <ImUs3r> explore address windows
• 1341[09:23:22] <ImUs3r> jelly:
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• 1343[09:23:48] <elwisp> I'm building a new intel desktop pc. Going to run pci passtru on a graphics card to a vm for gaming. However, i need to find a mini-itx motherboard that is linux compatible, i cannot seem to find much info online. Does anyone have any pointers?
• 1344[09:23:52] <ImUs3r> i input info.php into explore address window. but i can see only this text <?php phpinfo(); ?> .
• 1345[09:24:02] <jelly> ImUs3r: that's very confusing, what's your native language?
• 1346[09:24:44] <ImUs3r> i live in NewYork
• 1347[09:24:46] <ImUs3r> :(
• 1348[09:25:25] <jelly> ok, but what language do you write and read best?
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• 1351[09:25:35] <DrBunsen> Hello, I just updated my system and I got the following warning: The nvidia driver that is being installed(340.101) doesn't math the nvidia kernel module currently loaded(340.96). It told me to reboot after the install. This is the list op updated packages replaced-url
• 1352[09:25:47] <wmm> or what is this explore address windows program? You mean the file manager?
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• 1358[09:27:01] <jelly> DrBunsen: it will be less broken after reboot, that's what the warning message is all about
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• 1360[09:27:24] <jelly> well s/will/is supposed to/
• 1361[09:27:59] <DrBunsen> jelly: Yeah I got that, but I wanted to be sure. I have a laptop that has a AMD card, and touching anything close to the driver kills the driver ;)
• 1362[09:28:10] <DrBunsen> but I guess I will reboot ;)
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• 1364[09:28:22] <jelly> DrBunsen: why do you even have nvidia closed source drivers installed at all, then
• 1365[09:29:02] <klys> because nouveau results in a failed X session?
• 1366[09:29:09] <DrBunsen> jelly: because I do play some games on my install, and do not want to pass it though
• 1367[09:29:22] <jelly> DrBunsen: so you have BOTH and AMD and a Nvidia card?!
• 1368[09:29:42] <jelly> in a laptop?
• 1369[09:29:47] <DrBunsen> jelly: sorry no. My desktop has a nvidia. My laptop an AMD. Just wanted to make clear why I am hesitant
• 1370[09:30:07] <jelly> DrBunsen: is this message from the desktop or what
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• 1372[09:30:20] <DrBunsen> jelly: the desktop indeed
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• 1375[09:30:35] <jelly> then your amd situation on some other machine is not relevant
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• 1379[09:32:53] <DrBunsen> the reboot didn't kill it. So I guess everything is fine ;)
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• 1381[09:34:08] <jelly> this will happen every time nvidia driver has a version upgrade
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• 1383[09:34:53] <DrBunsen> jelly: I am always a bit wary of GPU driver updates
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• 1386[09:36:06] <jelly> nvidia breaks more often when kernels or xorg bits are upgraded than when the driver itself is
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• 1390[09:38:27] <DrBunsen> ahhh, I will keep a note of that, thanks
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• 1442[10:02:14] <eugenmayer1> are there any available squeeze-backports server?
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• 1463[10:13:48] <themill> eugenmayer1: squeeze has been unsupported for a while -- if you need backports, it's some years past the time to upgrade to a supported release
• 1464[10:14:03] <themill> they'd be on archive.debian.org I guess
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• 1467[10:14:53] <eugenmayer1> themill: i upgraded like 99% already, but this instance will be removed as is at march, for now, i need to handle this
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• 1617[11:24:04] <magthe> good day, I'm trying to create a preseed file where partman always chooses to use the entire disk, the examples I've see use 'd-i partman-auto/init_automatically_partition select biggest_free' and I just can't figure out what I should use instead of "biggest_free", any pointers?
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• 1633[11:29:46] <sdx32> magthe: the section "partitioning" in here replaced-url
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• 1635[11:31:02] <magthe> sdx32: unfortunately not, that's where I got the line I have at the moment, but it contains nothing what other selections are available :(
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• 1641[11:33:41] <sdx32> magthe: if I understand you correctly you want to choose "regular" and "atomic" -> just a single partition
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• 1674[11:45:25] <magthe> sdx23: yes, and I apparently *need* to pick a disk (/dev/sda) even though the system only has one disk (I'm guessing the installer media, a USB disk, isn't filtered out automatically)
• 1675[11:45:31] <magthe> thanks for the help
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• 1678[11:45:57] <sdx23> magthe: at least the comment says, you don't need to specify it, if there is only one.
• 1679[11:46:10] <gokuls> i am getting python.h missing error in debian jessie any help???
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• 1681[11:47:02] <sdx23> gokuls: be more specific?
• 1682[11:47:05] <magthe> sdx23: I just didn't count the USB stick as "one" :), I'm just daft
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• 1698[11:51:05] <gokuls> sdx23, While compiling Libreoffice i am getting this error. fatal error: Python.h: No such file or directory
• 1699[11:51:06] <vialas-ipad> hello everyone
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• 1707[11:51:50] <sdx23> gokuls: You're missing some dependencies. But, why do you compile it?
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• 1709[11:52:12] <vialas-ipad> i have just installed Debian for the 5th time on my Mac mini. I am running into. a problem where after install on first boot the screen gets stuck on "/dev/mapper/host name-vg-root: clean XXXXX/YYYY fils of XXXXX/YYYYYYY blocks
• 1710[11:52:28] <gokuls> sdx23, i am working on the source code. Bug fixes hence i need to compile
• 1711[11:52:28] <vialas-ipad> where x and y are various number that do no move
• 1712[11:52:33] <vialas-ipad> scree stays put
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• 1714[11:52:56] <gokuls> sdx23, i tried installing python-dev. pypy-dev, python3-dev
• 1715[11:53:02] <gokuls> still getting the error
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• 1718[11:53:22] <vialas-ipad> that's nog good gokuls :(
• 1719[11:53:45] <gokuls> vialas-ipad, whats not good??
• 1720[11:53:48] <sdx23> gokuls: apt-get -s build-dep libreoffice... - if the sources did not diverge too much from the debian package.
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• 1722[11:54:03] <vialas-ipad> the error you get :(
• 1723[11:54:03] <vialas-ipad> we both are stuck :(
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• 1725[11:54:34] <gokuls> vialas-ipad, ;)
• 1726[11:54:47] <gokuls> sdx23, i did that as well all dependencies are installed
• 1727[11:55:07] <vialas-ipad> I really dontlike ubuntu but it installs and works... i am wanting to move away from ubuntu to the original Debian :)
• 1728[11:55:43] <sdx23> gokuls: well, I guess you'd be better off asking libreoffice people then. The only advice I've left is packages.debian.org to search for Python.h
• 1729[11:55:44] <gokuls> vialas-ipad, thats why working on debian. remove it install bro
• 1730[11:56:05] <gokuls> sdx23, I did do that as well
• 1731[11:56:06] <gokuls> thank u
• 1732[11:56:13] <gokuls> still error exists
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• 1738[11:57:42] <vialas-ipad> ops wrong button
• 1739[11:57:47] <vialas-ipad> guess everyone is not here to help
• 1740[11:57:52] <vialas-ipad> bed time for me
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• 1742[11:57:54] <vialas-ipad> have a good night everyone
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• 1841[12:52:18] <ben25> i saw there are several png crusher, an opinion on which one to settle?
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• 1863[13:05:00] <digdilem> Just a sanity check before I proceed. I have a debian7.11 install where the permissions for /etc have all gotten 777's. Would the best solution be try to chmod them individually or reinstall 7.11 over the existing partition?
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• 1866[13:05:50] <missmbob> digdilem: reinstall or restore backups
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• 1869[13:06:19] <digdilem> the backups turn out to have 777 perms too
• 1870[13:06:30] <missmbob> i meant reinstall debian from scratch
• 1871[13:07:08] <digdilem> will it leave the rest of the fs intact on that partition? (I appreciate I'll need to restore individual config files)
• 1872[13:07:15] <missmbob> no
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• 1875[13:07:24] <digdilem> ok
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• 1901[13:16:03] <jelly> digdilem: or make an installation (or just chroot) somewhere on the side with the same set of packages, then fix the permissions using that as a template
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• 2011[14:15:20] <watmm1> Hey, i'm finding that my swap keeps filling up until i have to add more. I've looked at VmSwap in /proc/*/status but the running processes appear to use very little.
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• 2039[14:25:12] <sefru> Hi! I have a small problem. I just installed a package from the repos called games-typing. It contains mutiple games for practicing typing speed. Problem is, I don't know how to launch any of those games. Any ideas? :)
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• 2050[14:28:59] <sefru> I have tried checking /usr/bin for the programs in question, but it seems I can't find them from there either.
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• 2053[14:30:06] <TomTomTosch> sefru: games-typing is just a metapackage that installs a bunch of individual games. most of which will probably be installed to /usr/games/ you can for example simply run typespeed in a terminal.
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• 2058[14:33:03] <sefru> TomTomTosch: Thanks for the answer! Interstingly, I can't find the games from /usr/games either. If I try running typespeed in console, it says that the command is not found.
• 2059[14:33:34] <sefru> TomTomTosch: Do you think that restarting my compyter would help?
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• 2061[14:34:49] <TomTomTosch> sefru: nope. but you could paste the output of apt-cache policy games-typing typespeed; ls -alF /usr/games/typespeed to paste.debian.net
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• 2074[14:39:34] <yungmig> hey so I'm trying to install eclipse. But for that I need JRE 8. Can someone help me install openjdk-8-jre? It says there's no installation candidate when using apt-get install. openjdk-7-jre exists but not 8 :/
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• 2077[14:40:08] <TomTomTosch> ,v openjdk-8-jre
• 2078[14:40:08] <judd> Package: openjdk-8-jre on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 8u111-b14-2~bpo8+1; sid: 8u111-b14-3; stretch: 8u111-b14-3
• 2079[14:40:27] <TomTomTosch> yungmig: you can get it from jessie-backports
• 2080[14:40:36] <woshty> Why is there no memtest on the netinst debian-installer?
• 2081[14:40:44] <TomTomTosch> yungmig: replaced-url
• 2082[14:40:48] <bezaban> it's in backports!
• 2083[14:40:51] * bezaban purges /opts
• 2084[14:40:56] <bezaban> /opt*
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• 2086[14:41:21] <yungmig> So I need to add a repo to my source list?
• 2087[14:41:34] <bezaban> !bpo
• 2088[14:41:34] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
• 2089[14:41:35] <TomTomTosch> yes, read the instructions.
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• 2093[14:42:24] <sefru> TomtomTosch: I pasted the output to paste.debian.net I have a finnish localization so I don't know if you can understand the output, but it says that games-typing is installed and typespeed is not. Heres the link.: replaced-url
• 2094[14:42:42] <tdn> On my Debian 7 servers, my ssh servers does only have a single RSA host key. But on my Debian 8 servers, there seems to be three host keys for each ssh server: RSA, EDSA and ED25519. What is the reason for adding the two extra ssh host keys on debian 8? What are the implications of removing all but one (RSA)?
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• 2098[14:43:56] <TomTomTosch> sefru: did you install without recommends? are you using a debian derivative?
• 2099[14:45:03] <yungmig> thanks TomTomTosch - I got it now :)
• 2100[14:45:44] <TomTomTosch> yungmig: you will need to use update-java-alternatives if you want to use that jre system-wide.
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• 2103[14:46:32] <xorox90> what is kerberos default password for kadmin/admin in debian?
• 2104[14:46:40] <xorox90> I didn't create, but it exists
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• 2108[14:47:32] <sefru> TomTomTosch: I am using the normal Debian 8. I don't know what installing without recommends means. I just installed the package normally with apper. :)
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• 2110[14:47:37] <simias> hello
• 2111[14:48:03] <sefru> Hi simias! :)
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• 2114[14:48:24] <simias> I can't get my debian box to regenerate 70-persistent-net.rules no matter what I try
• 2115[14:48:31] <simias> rebooting, triggering udevadm by hand etc..
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• 2117[14:48:45] <simias> I added a new NIC so I wanted to regenerate it
• 2118[14:49:01] <simias> I have no idea why it doesn't work, how can I debug that?
• 2119[14:50:24] <TomTomTosch> sefru: i'm not familiar with apper. but it seems it installed the meta package without recommended packages, which is the reason why the meta package is installed but not the games it's meant to pull. apt-get install games-typing should install them.
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• 2124[14:53:02] <sefru> TomTomTosch: Thanks a lot! :) I now tried installing the package with apt-get and it seems that it is installing lots of packeages that weren't installed previously! =)
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• 2128[14:53:29] <sefru> TomTomTosch: Really, thanks! =)
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• 2130[14:53:37] <TomTomTosch> no problem :)
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• 2138[14:57:56] <simias> ah, it's because of replaced-url
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• 2165[15:09:30] <rafalcpp> is Debian planning to add locale support for San Escobar soon?
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• 2169[15:11:57] <TomTomTosch> working on it :P
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• 2171[15:12:57] <jelly> rafalcpp: that's probably a question for the glibc people not distros
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• 2176[15:14:39] <rafalcpp> ok =)
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• 2228[15:29:16] <lostguy> what's the software manager of debian? dpkg or apt-get
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• 2231[15:30:12] <tomcres> dpkg does the actual installation/removal of software. apt-get deals with the repositories and serves as a front-end to dpkg
• 2232[15:30:12] <dpkg> tomcres: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
• 2233[15:30:18] <Night_Elf> Hello all. Can someone explain something strange, for me at least? I have configured my system with a static ip address. I have a local cacheing bind9 and my "nameserver" in /etc/resolv.conf is set to "127.0.0.1". I have noticed that after some 2 hours of usage, it gets changed to be "192.168.1.254" which is the lan dns address as provided by the Lan gateway and dhcp server.
• 2234[15:30:34] <Night_Elf> Why does this happen and how can I stop it from happening?
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• 2239[15:32:14] <tomcres> night_elf are you using a static IP or DHCP? you mentioned both
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• 2241[15:33:10] <Night_Elf> tomcres: It is a static ip address. ("iface eth1 inet static" in /etc/network/interfaces).
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• 2245[15:34:33] <Night_Elf> My ip address does not change, only the entry for nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf gets changed from 127.0.0.1 to that 192.168.1.254 which is actually the dns server that the rest of the pc-s use.
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• 2247[15:35:37] * tomcres <scratching head>: that's weird
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• 2251[15:36:46] <Night_Elf> I feel the same. I can manually change it back to be 127.0.0.1 and use the local bind9 but after some 2 hours or so, it gets again changed to be 192.168.1.254.
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• 2259[15:42:26] <tomcres> I get the feeling that NetworkManager is using DHCP. Is dhclient running? `ps ax |grep dhclient`
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• 2262[15:44:44] <bezaban> resolvonf package and network manager are common culprits
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• 2317[16:05:38] <jvelasquez> hi. I've got a docker instance of debian stable, replaced-url
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• 2319[16:06:18] <Pavr> you could remove the resolvconf package
• 2320[16:07:02] <Pavr> if that is the thing that breaks your resolv.conf that is.
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• 2325[16:09:50] <jvelasquez> Pavr, no. there is no resolvconf
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• 2331[16:11:23] <jelly> jvelasquez: if a package from debian messes with /etc/resolv.conf directly, it's buggy
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• 2334[16:11:37] <jvelasquez> replaced-url
• 2335[16:12:04] <jelly> jvelasquez: did you get your docker from debian or somewhere else?
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• 2337[16:12:04] <Pavr> jvelasquez, sounds like a docker problem then?
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• 2339[16:12:19] <jvelasquez> No, I think it's the debian image.
• 2340[16:12:29] <jvelasquez> I've been at this a while.
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• 2355[16:16:24] <TomTomTo1> ... docker itself manipulates resolv.conf
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• 2364[16:16:52] <Pavr> what debian tag (release) are you using in your dockerfile?
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• 2381[16:17:21] <jelly> jvelasquez: how do you boot this, is this a container itself?
• 2382[16:17:21] <jelly> (there's no kernel in that package list)
• 2383[16:17:21] <jelly> oh, it's debian _inside_ docker.
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• 2387[16:17:21] * jelly read it completely wrong
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• 2398[16:17:58] <Pavr> "Regarding DNS settings, in the absence of the --dns=IP_ADDRESS..., --dns-search=DOMAIN..., or --dns-opt=OPTION... options, Docker makes each container’s /etc/resolv.conf look like the /etc/resolv.conf of the host machine (where the docker daemon runs). When creating the container’s /etc/resolv.conf, the daemon filters out all localhost IP address nameserver entries from the host’s original file."
• 2399[16:18:03] <Pavr> - replaced-url
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• 2998[16:49:43] <eddard> I set up a 4 NIC gateway at home. 1 NIC connects to the web and 3 serve different subnets (10.10.[123].0) and have the corresponding x.x.x.1 IP. I can ping all x.x.x.1 addresses from all subnets, but anything else in the othe subnets remains unreachable. No googled routing stancas in /etc/network/interfaces have helped. Who can point me at relevant information?
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• 3003[16:52:02] <Madda> have you enableds ip_forward ?
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• 3020[16:58:54] <Night_Elf> eddard: replaced-url
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• 3026[17:01:30] <eddard> Night_Elf: Thank you. I have NOT fiddled with /etc/network/options yet, but cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward always returned '1'. Will re-investigate this point. Any other ideas?
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• 3028[17:02:45] <Night_Elf> eddard: to what I know the "1" at /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward would be enough. But then again I don't know if it is true for debian8, it might need more.
• 3029[17:03:10] <eddard> THis was set by shorewall. I determined to have a routing issue when even after 'shorewall clear' nothing went through, but can't remember explicitly whether I tested the kernel's forwarding state under those conditions.
• 3030[17:03:10] <Night_Elf> But up to debian7 it has been enough to activate ip forward.
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• 3035[17:03:37] <Night_Elf> eddard: Maybe there's some iptables rule that prevents it ?
• 3036[17:04:10] <Madda> @Night_Elf +1
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• 3040[17:05:54] <eddard> Night_Elf: wouldn't know where it could come from and 'shorewall clear' will purge all rules that shorewall set up ...
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• 3044[17:06:36] <eddard> Maybe I shlould follow up the 'shorewall clear' with a 'service networking restart'
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• 3046[17:07:36] <Night_Elf> eddard: I would think that shorewall is a frontend for iptables, or not?
• 3047[17:07:53] <eddard> Night_Elf: Yes.
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• 3049[17:08:10] <Night_Elf> eddard: you could always chheck with iptpables -L
• 3050[17:08:23] <eddard> Night_Elf: Will do.
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• 3106[17:31:01] <SamsaraSoup> /join #python
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• 3110[17:32:08] <Guest76043> fuck you goddamn crooked nigger dick suckin, thieving, girl murdering, Nazi/Jew trash...you goddamn bastards don't deserve to live...maybe that is why distrowatch.com listed your user numbers with 666...and drove everyone to install calculate-linux instead.
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• 3112[17:32:52] <Guest76043> there are lots of people that know the ru code is superior.
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• 3114[17:33:58] <Guest76043> you goddamn thieving, girl murdering trash don't fuckin deserve to live.
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• 3120[17:35:50] <ossii> anyone able to shed some light on oom-killer? after upgrading to kernel 4.8 - 4.9 (from 3.16) I randomly keep getting processes killed by oom even there is plenty plenty ram and swap available
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• 3123[17:36:31] <hottamales> you goddamn crooked nigger dick suckin, thieving, girl murdering Nazi/Jew bastards need to die and the sooner the better.
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• 3125[17:37:26] <mtn> !ops hottamales
• 3126[17:37:26] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: mtn complains about: hottamales
• 3127[17:37:30] <Night_Elf> So some people have attention issues ?
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• 3131[17:38:21] <hottamales> Night_Elf...fuck you turd....you think helpless innocent murdered girls don't deserve attention
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• 3136[17:39:04] <Night_Elf> hottamales: In #debian ? No they don't.
• 3137[17:39:39] <dondelelcaro> folks, please don't engage the trolls, and just call for operators
• 3138[17:39:52] <dondelelcaro> (hopefully we'll respond)
• 3139[17:39:56] <malacozoan> play -c2 -n synth brownnoise band -n 250 200 tremolo 0.0333333 43 reverb 19 bass -11 treble -1 vol 14dB
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• 3141[17:40:12] <Night_Elf> dondelelcaro: I couldn't resist.
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• 3156[17:46:19] <ossii> ref my question, I guess its not possible to disable it alltogether or revert to pre 4.x kernel behaviour, these issues was never there before
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• 3161[17:49:05] <Night_Elf> ossii: replaced-url
• 3162[17:49:31] <Night_Elf> ossii: (excerpt) setting it to -1000 will disable OOM kills entirely, while setting to +1000 is the equivalent of painting a large target on the associated process.
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• 3165[17:50:46] <ossii> but the problem comes when the processes may start and stop naturally and change pids
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• 3168[17:51:36] <ossii> or rather, why suddenly its so agressive now while system have ran on 3.1x kernel for a long long time without problems
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• 3170[17:52:08] <ossii> I cant even see the memory issue either, though my knownledge isn't very deep so might be something in memory management I dont see
• 3171[17:52:38] <Night_Elf> True that. And I have no idea how to answer that. To be honest my servers are (still) in debian7 with 3.x kernel and in my laptop with a 4.x kernel I don't have that problem.
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• 3177[17:53:58] <ossii> hehe yeah, my laptop which I actually use a lot with many open tabs in browser, citrix connection, email client and what not runs without any such problems
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• 3182[17:54:57] <ossii> Jan 18 17:30:55 debian kernel: [2605291.336723] Free swap = 14323668kB
• 3183[17:54:57] <ossii> Jan 18 17:30:55 debian kernel: [2605291.336723] Total swap = 14331896kB
• 3184[17:55:07] <ossii> then kills because oom..
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• 3186[17:55:31] <ossii> but yeah, will see if anyone else got some ideas and read up a bit on how to understand the log lines in regards to this
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• 3189[17:56:11] <Night_Elf> ossii: is there no setting to, how to say, relax oom killer a bit ?
• 3190[17:56:26] <Night_Elf> I mean the default behaviour?
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• 3192[17:57:24] <Night_Elf> replaced-url
• 3193[17:58:00] <Night_Elf> ossii: ^
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• 3195[17:58:31] <ossii> yeah I found some posts with suggestions how to make it relax a bit, which had no effect
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• 3197[17:58:57] <johnfg> hi folks
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• 3200[17:59:46] <johnfg> Any idea what's causing keys not to repeat? When I first login, all works fine from the keyboard as it should.
• 3201[18:00:24] <johnfg> But after a while, and if I don't logout, keys (like up or down arrow for history in the cli) won't repeat.
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• 3223[18:10:42] <ScottPilgrim> johnfg: How long is "a while"? Does this happen after minutes or hours or days?
• 3224[18:10:51] <johnfg> deemel: If I hold this j key down (which I just did), I expect it to put in as many j's as I expect, without having to lift my finger up and hit the key again. It's not working. Just one j. Then lift and do another j.
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• 3248[18:22:19] <johnfg> ScottPilgrim: I can't say. It's kinda random.
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• 3250[18:22:36] <johnfg> I don't know what, if anything, triggers the condition.
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• 3255[18:25:57] <EdePopede> hello all. how much will it break if i let /bin/sh point to bash instead of dash? and can i simply change it or do i need special tools?
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• 3261[18:27:30] <ScottPilgrim> johnfg: I would look at things like active input methods, locale settings (do "locale" in a shell), programs you have run that seize control of the input (like full-screen graphics applications for example), and also check your control in Gnome or KDE or whatever to see if settings are being changed there
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• 3274[18:34:11] <johnfg> ScottPilgrim: Ok, I'll take a look.
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• 3277[18:34:51] <johnfg> locale shows en_US.UTF-8 for all.
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• 3281[18:35:58] <jelly> EdePopede: nothing is supposed to break, both are allowed as /bin/sh
• 3282[18:36:44] <jelly> EdePopede: if you have custom scripts using /bin/sh in #! line consider fixing them, instead
• 3283[18:36:48] <EdePopede> jelly: sounds good. so no system scripts or hatever stuff relying on special dash features?
• 3284[18:37:05] <EdePopede> jelly: my problem is mc's subshell / user menu :/
• 3285[18:37:19] <jelly> EdePopede: scripts using /bin/sh only rely on POSIX sh functionality
• 3286[18:37:21] <EdePopede> /bin/sh ois hardcoded afaik
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• 3289[18:37:33] <johnfg> ScottPilgrim: In the gnome control center, Hardware/Keyboard, repeat key was on. But I unchecked it, then checked it again, and I got repeat back (without having to logout).
• 3290[18:37:40] <jelly> EdePopede: mc does not use your login shell?
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• 3292[18:37:58] <johnfg> I still don't know what's causing the problem though.
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• 3294[18:38:12] <EdePopede> jelly: not sure if still actual: replaced-url
• 3295[18:38:13] <jelly> EdePopede: what's the login shell for that user?
• 3296[18:38:25] <EdePopede> bash. always bash and only bash.
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• 3298[18:38:48] <n4dir> Why would you want to point /bin/sh to bash instead of dash at all (assuming it is like that in debian)
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• 3302[18:38:57] <EdePopede> wahted to have a look at csh and zsh, but time is so rare nowadays...
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• 3311[18:40:16] <EdePopede> n4dir: actual problem, for some reason i can't even use 'ls --time-style="+%F"'. i know, it is /bin/ls, but the only difference is the shell it runs on
• 3312[18:40:17] <jelly> EdePopede: you don't want to look at csh. zsh doesn't really bring anything important either (and I say that as a 20 years zsh user)
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• 3318[18:41:25] <jelly> EdePopede: how is that shell related, what stops you from typing ls --time-style="+%F"
• 3319[18:41:41] <n4dir> EdePopede: go to mywiki.wooledge.org and search for Xyproblem :-)
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• 3324[18:42:28] <EdePopede> mark a file -> F2 -> @ -> type in the command. ls throws an error. no idea why. put an echo in front of it, copypaste into the shell, works.
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• 3326[18:42:51] <n4dir> cause i am such a nice guy: replaced-url
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• 3328[18:43:46] <EdePopede> weird. the search doesn't find it
• 3329[18:44:15] <ScottPilgrim> johnng: Do you run any games or other appliations that might be opening the keyboard in raw mode?
• 3330[18:44:20] <jelly> EdePopede: that's @ not behaving like a shell. Omit the ""
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• 3334[18:45:31] <jelly> EdePopede: ls --time-style=+%F -l ... worked for me.
• 3335[18:45:35] <n4dir> side question: doesn't ls or any other program use the login-shell ?
• 3336[18:46:04] <EdePopede> hmm. works even with +%F\ %T
• 3337[18:46:22] <jelly> EdePopede: ls --time-style="+%F" -l ... said ls: invalid argument ‘"+%F"’ for ‘time style’
• 3338[18:46:41] <EdePopede> jelly: proper escaping again...
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• 3340[18:46:44] <jelly> EdePopede: so your issue is @ not doing shell-like expansion
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• 3343[18:47:47] <jelly> if you're getting a similar error, that is.
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• 3345[18:47:57] <jelly> if you're getting something else, tell us
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• 3347[18:48:16] <EdePopede> jelly: since i *only* use bash, the easiest solution would be to change /bin/sh. but i didn't find anything why debian (or my inst at least) uses dash as default.
• 3348[18:48:35] <jelly> it's faster
• 3349[18:48:52] <n4dir> i think dash was used as the default system (!) shell as bash is slow
• 3350[18:48:53] <EdePopede> especially since i really like sme of bash's special features.
• 3351[18:49:02] <n4dir> jelly: said it already, only the other way around
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• 3356[18:49:29] <n4dir> but i still think that for users the only thing that matter is the login-shell, not the system shell
• 3357[18:49:33] <jhutchins> EdePopede: sh is more consistent between distributions/OSs. (FreeBSD, etc.)
• 3358[18:49:34] <EdePopede> well thanks, for this special problem now there is a solution
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• 3362[18:50:09] <jelly> EdePopede: bash is a decent interactive shell, and /bin/sh isn't really required to be used as an interactive shell but an interpreter
• 3363[18:51:01] <jelly> EdePopede: is there a less special problem?
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• 3365[18:51:18] <EdePopede> that's it why i didn't want to touch the link, but originally find a way to pass the scripts to bash. even tried some code "if this is dash,reload me with bash" for a script, but didn't get it
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• 3367[18:51:40] <jelly> why would you want to do thaT?
• 3368[18:51:53] <krav> stupid question. does anyone know how to extract files from an installer ISO? I need to pull a file out of /cdrom/install/, but I have no idea where that's normally stored within the installer iso.
• 3369[18:52:03] <jelly> EdePopede: if you're writing a bash script, use #!/bin/bash as the first line
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• 3371[18:52:27] <jelly> use #!/bin/sh only if you're writing POSIX sh compliant scripts
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• 3373[18:53:01] <EdePopede> jelly: i do. but this doesn't help with scripts in mc (not the existing extfs scripts and not those created in /tmp for user commands: dash is called and so the hashbang is ignored
• 3374[18:53:20] <jelly> I have no idea what "scripts in mc" do
• 3375[18:53:22] <n4dir> assuming you are on debian. on quite some systems /bin/sh still points to bash. best might be to point it to the shell you want to use, not to /bin/Sh
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• 3379[18:56:11] <n4dir> krav: i think, but am not sure, you are looking for something like that: replaced-url
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• 3383[18:57:04] <EdePopede> jelly: they do actions depending on the file type or extension or whatever you select from a user menu for that script or tagged ones. the thing is, those for user actions are created on the fly and started with /bin/sh. so i see only 2 solutions: inserting code to restart them with bash (if needed) or changing that symlink. and since the latter *may* break things, i don't "just do it"
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• 3388[18:57:57] <jelly> EdePopede: it won't break things.
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• 3392[18:58:35] <n4dir> EdePopede: you probably already tried this: replaced-url
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• 3394[18:59:07] <jelly> [18:38] <EdePopede> jelly: not sure if still actual: replaced-url
• 3395[18:59:15] <jelly> n4dir: that was 20 minutes ago
• 3396[18:59:19] <n4dir> sorry, jelly
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• 3398[18:59:38] <jelly> don't be sorry, just READ
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• 3403[19:00:06] <n4dir> still boils down to XY
• 3404[19:00:16] <EdePopede> oh. most init scripts use /bin/sh, but some explicitely bash. mysql does.
• 3405[19:00:34] <jelly> n4dir: it's not xyanything any more now, what are you smoking
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• 3407[19:00:58] <n4dir> it is. Problem X and asking for Y. I don't smoke anything
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• 3412[19:01:38] <jelly> it's a silly workaround for mc's default, and if the user relies heavily on mc's ad-hoc scripting, eh... let them
• 3413[19:01:51] <EdePopede> n4dir: i prefer solutions that work on the long run. even if this time avoiding the quotes and escaping everything manually ('X\ Y' instead of "X Y") works, it is not the 1st time i have this sh vs bash issue
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• 3417[19:02:39] <n4dir> So what you want is bash as the system shell?
• 3418[19:02:40] <jelly> EdePopede: this isn't a sh vs bash issue, it's a "mc defaults to a hardcoded shell path"
• 3419[19:03:29] <jelly> EdePopede: if setting the environment variable works, use that?
• 3420[19:04:01] <EdePopede> n4dir, jelly: indeed it is mc and its subshell usage. but since it is hardcoded i *would* change the link. but as said, i don't like breaking things. call me paranoid :)
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• 3422[19:04:19] <EdePopede> jelly: i tried, still used /bin/sh
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• 3424[19:05:16] <jelly> then file a bug on the mc package in debian if it's not already present, explain your usage scenario, and in the meantime you have a workaround
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• 3426[19:05:42] <jelly> I have multiple wheezy systems with /bin/sh -> bash
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• 3429[19:06:48] <jelly> EdePopede: so you can trust or not, but it's a) supposed to work and b) it works for some people in some cases
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• 3438[19:09:25] <Guest73503> Hey! I tried to remove mate-desktop with "sudo apt-get remove task-mate-desktop" but it is always available and i can log in to it with my log-in manager. Can someone help me?
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• 3448[19:12:37] <at0m> Guest73503: task- sounds like a meta-package. remove th packages task-mate-desktop depends on
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• 3450[19:12:55] <EdePopede> uff. eval is evil. qed.
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• 3477[19:25:29] <Guest73503> at0m: I installed mate with "sudo apt-get install task-mate-desktop" like it is described in the debian wiki
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• 3479[19:26:32] <at0m> Guest73503: a meta-package means it depends on everything needed to install the package
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• 3481[19:26:57] <at0m> removing the meta-package does not imply that would remove all the dependants.
• 3482[19:26:59] <tomcres> would an `apt-get autoremove` take care of it?
• 3483[19:27:10] <at0m> worth a try =)
• 3484[19:27:15] <tomcres> lol :-)
• 3485[19:28:05] <at0m> also, apt-get remove mate-desktop-environment
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• 3487[19:28:30] <at0m> but then there's so many more mate-* packages...
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• 3494[19:32:06] <SuperTramp83> tomcres: I believe what you want to purge is mate, package "mate" and then do the autoremove
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• 3498[19:33:50] <Guest73503> at0m: i just tried it with "apt-get autoremove" but result is the same
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• 3524[19:44:35] <Guest73503> at0m: can you help me please?
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• 3528[19:46:23] <jhutchins> at0m: Do you understand what autoremove does?
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• 3530[19:46:50] <jhutchins> Sry, Guest73503 ^?
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• 3536[19:48:48] <jhutchins> Guest73503: Why do you want to remove it in the first place?
• 3537[19:48:48] <tomcres> guest73503 have you tried supertramp83's suggestion? (i.e., `apt purge mate` and then `apt-get autoremove`)
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• 3544[19:53:47] <Guest73503> because im using kde and have no need for mate.
• 3545[19:54:06] <Guest73503> tomcres: yes, purge does nothing because it tells me mate is not installed
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• 3547[19:54:27] <Guest73503> i also did autoremove after i removed "task-mate-desktop"
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• 3549[19:55:07] <Guest73503> but mate is still there, like before :(
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• 3551[19:55:39] <jhutchins> Guest73503: you do want to use purge instead of remove. I know apt get accepts wildcards - apt-get purge mate-*
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• 3554[19:56:28] <jhutchins> Guest73503: A technique I've used is dpkg -l | grep mate and pick the first half-dozen, then let dependencies take care of the rest.
• 3555[19:56:39] <jhutchins> Guest73503: You can also pipe that to a file and use the file as the list of packages to remove.
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• 3557[19:57:00] <jelly> Guest73503: use aptitude to purge all the package that come from source package named "mate-desktop-environment"
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• 3560[19:57:55] <Guest73503> jhutchins: that "apt-get purge mate-*" guess seems nice, removed a lot. gonna reboot and will be back online soon
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• 3563[19:58:22] <jelly> Guest73503: aptitude search '~i ?source-package(mate-desktop-environment)'
• 3564[19:59:10] <jelly> Guest73503: if the result list contains no package you actually want to keep, replace search with purge in that command line
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• 3580[20:03:35] <Guest86978> Problem solved! Thanks for helping!
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• 3589[20:07:12] <SerajewelKS> i'm having a weird issue on jessie. whenever i update the kernel and/or run grub-install and then reboot, grub fails to boot with "invalid arch-independent ELF magic." but when i run grub-install from the installer rescue mode chrooted into the system, i can boot normally.
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• 3592[20:07:58] <SerajewelKS> why would this be? the system is using raid1 for / (no separate /boot, there is a grub BIOS partition on each disk)
• 3593[20:08:33] <SerajewelKS> actually, the raid md device contains an LVM PV, and / is an LV
• 3594[20:08:46] <SerajewelKS> i'm just mystified why grub-install from the system breaks boot unless it's run from rescue mode
• 3595[20:08:52] <cobra_koral> do you sync the boot partitions on each disk ?
• 3596[20:09:05] <SerajewelKS> "no separate /boot"
• 3597[20:09:19] <cobra_koral> are you using EFI ?
• 3598[20:09:23] <SerajewelKS> no
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• 3601[20:10:03] <SerajewelKS> the grub-install binary is the same in both cases, since i'm chrooted into the system from rescue mode
• 3602[20:10:34] <jelly> whne did grub2 start supporting lvm2 natively and are you sure the support is not buggy :-)
• 3603[20:11:01] <SerajewelKS> it's supported it for awhile now, IIRC
• 3604[20:11:12] <SerajewelKS> but apparently only when installed from rescue mode... :/
• 3605[20:11:34] <jelly> SerajewelKS: second question: why would you run grub-install on kernel upgrades, or ever except on release upgrades?
• 3606[20:11:53] <cobra_koral> well, in these cases, the grub partition then needs to be synced on both disks do your setup guarantees that ? Have you already tried to boot the other disk on the raid ?
• 3607[20:12:03] <SerajewelKS> jelly: that's the thing, it doesn't matter if i run grub-install or not. upgrading the kernel (even patch releases) OR running grub-install will break boot.
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• 3611[20:12:39] <SerajewelKS> cobra_koral: it's insufficient to simply run grub-install against both physical disks?
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• 3613[20:12:47] <jelly> SerajewelKS: I suspect your grub works in lilo-like hardcoded blocks mode
• 3614[20:12:51] <cobra_koral> that's sufficient
• 3615[20:12:57] <SerajewelKS> cobra_koral: then yes
• 3616[20:13:09] <SerajewelKS> i run grub-install /dev/sda; grub-install /dev/sdb
• 3617[20:13:19] <SerajewelKS> works only from rescue mode
• 3618[20:13:21] <jelly> SerajewelKS: is there enough space before the first partition for ~40KB of grub stage 1.5/2 ?
• 3619[20:13:22] <tomcres> LILO…oh the memories! :-D
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• 3621[20:13:34] <cobra_koral> check the version of grub on rescue mode
• 3622[20:13:36] <cobra_koral> are you using stable ?
• 3623[20:13:47] <SerajewelKS> jelly: the BIOS boot partitions are 1M each
• 3624[20:14:01] <SerajewelKS> cobra_koral: again, i am chrooted into the system from rescue mode
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• 3626[20:14:10] <SerajewelKS> cobra_koral: so it's using exactly the same binary to do both installs
• 3627[20:14:13] <jelly> that doesn't answer my question, which is about the space not occupied by ANY partition
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• 3629[20:14:24] <cobra_koral> SerajewelKS: oh sorry
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• 3631[20:14:50] <SerajewelKS> jelly: depending on the answer, would that explain why the system boots after installing grub from rescue mode, but not from within the booted system?
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• 3633[20:15:30] <SerajewelKS> jelly: the first partition starts at 2048 sectors (512-byte sectors) so i would say yes
• 3634[20:15:39] <jelly> it would explain why changing /boot/grub/grub.conf (that is, upgrading kernel) breaks things
• 3635[20:15:55] <jelly> that's 1M of offset so quite enough
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• 3637[20:16:22] <SerajewelKS> the part that's gnawing at my brain is that reinstalling grub from rescue mode chrooted into the same system works somehow
• 3638[20:16:22] <jelly> do you get ANY warnings on grub-install?
• 3639[20:16:30] <SerajewelKS> no, not in either case
• 3640[20:16:42] <jelly> = magic =
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• 3642[20:16:54] <SerajewelKS> indeed
• 3643[20:17:00] <SerajewelKS> this is the second boot issue i've had that i can't explain
• 3644[20:17:35] <jelly> serves you right for using fancy new features I guess!
• 3645[20:17:50] <SerajewelKS> i had a virtualbox guest that wouldn't boot unless i ran update-initramfs from rescue mode. i took a broken initrd generated by the system and a working initrd in rescue mode (chrooted into the system).
• 3646[20:17:58] <jelly> instead of doing the most conservative setup
• 3647[20:18:03] <SerajewelKS> they compared different raw, but when extracted there were no differences
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• 3649[20:18:29] <SerajewelKS> so... my confidence in the inner workings of the boot process is very low since i keep hitting weird things that don't make sense
• 3650[20:18:37] <jelly> mayhaps people in #grub might have an idea on where to even start looking
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• 3652[20:19:00] <SerajewelKS> hmm could be
• 3653[20:19:06] <SerajewelKS> worth an ask, anyway
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• 3657[20:19:55] <jelly> SerajewelKS: I like to have alternatives, so still keep a separate /boot partition (and if md raid1, sitting on a 0.9 or 1.0 metadata format separate raid1 array)
• 3658[20:20:04] <SerajewelKS> i mean the only difference between rescue mode chrooted and the system should be the kernel and /proc et al, yes?
• 3659[20:20:06] <jelly> that works with lilo and grub-legacy
• 3660[20:20:41] <jelly> even the kernel's the same
• 3661[20:20:59] <jelly> unless booted off a live usb/dvd
• 3662[20:21:26] <SerajewelKS> well... yeah, it's the installer cd
• 3663[20:21:30] <SerajewelKS> thought i opened with that info
• 3664[20:21:51] <SerajewelKS> if grub can't even find grub.cfg i'm not sure how i'd be booting rescue mode without the installer cd
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• 3667[20:23:19] <jelly> how does it fail when it fails?
• 3668[20:24:27] <SerajewelKS> error: invalid arch-independent ELF magic. \n Entering rescue mode... \n grub rescue>
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• 3670[20:25:31] <SerajewelKS> google suggests that can be the result of using grub-efi or grub-pc when you need the other one (for UEFI vs BIOS boot)
• 3671[20:25:31] <eri451> o/
• 3672[20:25:52] <SerajewelKS> but since i'm chrooted into the system, of course i'm using the same (grub-pc) in both cases
• 3673[20:25:56] <eri451> where can I disable my middle mouse button to init scrolling
• 3674[20:26:01] <jelly> SerajewelKS: does ls work in rescue prompt?
• 3675[20:26:09] <eri451> i don
• 3676[20:26:16] <eri451> t have files like
• 3677[20:26:18] <eri451> replaced-url
• 3678[20:26:19] <SerajewelKS> eri451: in the particular program that does that, that's not standard behavior
• 3679[20:26:52] <SerajewelKS> jelly: i can try but i'll have to detach while i do that
• 3680[20:26:54] <jelly> eri451: which thinkpad model?
• 3681[20:27:11] <eri451> t410 and x230
• 3682[20:27:13] <jelly> it doesn't do that on my T420s (except in Firefox I think)
• 3683[20:27:24] <eri451> both with debian unstable
• 3684[20:27:26] <jelly> (and that's Firefox' fault)
• 3685[20:27:43] <eri451> it didn't used to work
• 3686[20:27:52] <SerajewelKS> yeah only time i've seen middle mouse button enter scroll mode is in mozilla junk
• 3687[20:27:58] <eri451> but now it does
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• 3689[20:28:54] <AkQ> how can i protect sub-web-folder so that i can link to objects in it and share the link to anyone, but when a stranger tries to access the folder of that object, they can't see anything. *But* when i try to access the folder (via browser) i can see all the objects in the folder by entering password
• 3690[20:29:10] <SerajewelKS> jelly: my guess is going to be no. i'll try to verify in a few minutes.
• 3691[20:29:38] <SerajewelKS> AkQ: depends on your web server
• 3692[20:29:50] <AkQ> basic lamp
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• 3696[20:30:10] <AkQ> on debian, obviosly
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• 3698[20:32:35] <SerajewelKS> AkQ: sounds like you're looking to combine authentication with conditional Options +Indexes or something like that
• 3699[20:32:40] <SerajewelKS> i don't think apache can do this out of the box
• 3700[20:33:05] <SerajewelKS> AkQ: you might ask in the apache channel
• 3701[20:33:06] <AkQ> i try to achieve my own Puush/Gyazo/ShareX -type service
• 3702[20:33:10] <jelly> eri451: maybe it's some desktop environment specific feature, which DE?
• 3703[20:33:10] <jelly> grub2's rescue shell isn't very capable
• 3704[20:33:30] <SerajewelKS> AkQ: well you could deploy owncloud/nextcloud, it has sharing features like that
• 3705[20:33:39] <SerajewelKS> AkQ: but that might be too heavy a solution for your taste
• 3706[20:33:46] <AkQ> thanks SerajewelKS - i try apache channel first :)
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• 3709[20:34:37] <eri451> KDE, awseomeWM, systemd, zsh, and a bunch of dotfiles
• 3710[20:35:20] <eri451> clicked through systemsettings
• 3711[20:36:09] <eri451> but there's just no checkbox that sais scroll or wheel or something
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• 3713[20:36:20] <eri451> i just installed xinput
• 3714[20:36:24] <eri451> I hope this can help
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• 3716[20:36:37] <jelly> dunno, I've stepped away from Plasma5 in testing and went back to xfce
• 3717[20:36:45] <jelly> eri451: try asking in
• 3718[20:36:48] <jelly> !debian-next
• 3719[20:36:48] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 3720[20:37:46] <jelly> kde people seem not to care at all about migration paths. Things broke horribly from kde3 to kde4, then again with kde4 to Plasma5
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• 3722[20:38:49] <eri451> as I tried to explain kde is not my really my DE
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• 3726[20:40:25] <awal1> Any one able to check adblock plus (xul-ext-adblock-plux) code for find out if it doesn't s***t in it's code like xul-ext-wot #842939?
• 3727[20:40:26] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 3728[20:40:49] <awal1> if it doesn't have ... ^
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• 3730[20:41:36] <jelly> awal1: I'm able, for $95/hr
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• 3733[20:42:15] <jelly> I'll spend like 40 hours for an audit if you need it
• 3734[20:42:17] <awal1> jelly, nice deal. doing it for free for debian project will have more merit :P
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• 3736[20:42:32] <jelly> awal1: you think source code audits are free?
• 3737[20:42:34] <jelly> think again
• 3738[20:43:08] <awal1> jelly, I know it takes long time :P
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• 3741[20:43:38] <awal1> I tought dd's/maintainers audit code before putting stuff in repos
• 3742[20:43:41] <jelly> it also takes 5+ years of hard work to gain expert knowledge to be _able_ to do it in the first place
• 3743[20:43:45] <jelly> pfft
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• 3745[20:45:08] <jelly> also, every DD gets a pony when they pass the tests
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• 3747[20:45:21] <RichiH> jelly: an orange pony
• 3748[20:45:33] <RichiH> roughly box-shaped
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• 3751[20:45:58] <jelly> aw, I'm more keen on yellow with pink mane
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• 3753[20:46:22] <SuperTramp83> awal1: ublock origin FTW
• 3754[20:46:32] <awal1> lol, ok, so basically no one knows if x open source software available out there have weird code
• 3755[20:46:42] <RichiH> jelly: not sure if valve has that
• 3756[20:47:29] <awal1> SuperTramp83, tried it yeah, it heavy compared to adblock plus and it uses basically it's filters (adblock filters)
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• 3758[20:47:57] <Iridos> awal1, or you can go ahead and audit it for free ^ ^
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• 3760[20:48:27] <awal1> Iridos, if I was able, I'll not be asking about that :P
• 3761[20:48:36] <Iridos> and it's "its" if it's a possessive ^ ^
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• 3763[20:48:45] <SuperTramp83> awal1: it's much more lightweight than adblock actually, and much more than an "ad blocker". You should try it again maybe
• 3764[20:48:56] <Iridos> awal1, well, you heard the man… only takes you 5 years to become expert… and that doesn't matter because you donate your time for free ^^
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• 3766[20:49:28] <awal1> planning all that right now :P
• 3767[20:49:45] <awal1> SuperTramp83, probably, yeah
• 3768[20:50:10] <redrabbit> ublock origin > adblock
• 3769[20:50:12] <Iridos> and could you maybe first look at openssl? ^ ^
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• 3771[20:50:49] <jhutchins> awal1: Obviously if the OS community is aware of problems in some code they don't just publish it (bugreports), they also work on fixing it.
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• 3773[20:51:10] <jhutchins> awal1: It's in a constant state of flux, some moveing faster than others.
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• 3775[20:51:45] <jhutchins> awal1: There's this entire Debian repository called "testing" that's dedicated to that process.
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• 3781[20:52:32] <jhutchins> awal1: Besides which, adblock isn't even a debian project.
• 3782[20:52:32] <jelly> Iridos: will replace with libressl in your custom fork for food
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• 3784[20:52:54] <jelly> ,v xul-ext-adblock-plus
• 3785[20:52:55] <eri451> jelly: xinput set-prop 11 "libinput Button Scrolling Button" 2 -> 0
• 3786[20:52:55] <judd> Package: xul-ext-adblock-plus on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.1-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.1-1+deb7u1; jessie: 2.7.3+dfsg-1~deb8u1; stretch: 2.7.3+dfsg-1; sid: 2.7.3+dfsg-1
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• 3788[20:53:22] <jhutchins> I stand corrected, I install it from the browser tools.
• 3789[20:53:26] <jelly> !win eri451
• 3790[20:53:26] <dpkg> Congratulations, eri451! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
• 3791[20:53:48] <eri451> thanks but why does one have to install xinput to change that?
• 3792[20:54:11] <awal1> jhutchins, I know, yeah; I was just a bit surprised about wot, even if I don't use it
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• 3795[20:55:14] <eri451> and what will happen is if I ever remove xinput
• 3796[20:55:28] <eri451> again
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• 3802[20:58:07] <awal1> redrabbit, you mean?
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• 3809[21:00:36] <redrabbit> its better
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• 3813[21:01:20] <awal1> ublock better?
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• 3817[21:01:48] <jelly> eri451: not all tools are installed by default.
• 3818[21:02:05] <somiaj> eri451: xinput is just a tool to change settings in a running xsession and without it you won't be able to use it. You can additionaly configure this in your xorg.conf, or better yet in xorg.conf.d/mouse.conf
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• 3827[21:03:13] <Vialas-ipad> Hello Everyone
• 3828[21:03:13] <Vialas-ipad> how Are You All?
• 3829[21:03:30] <somiaj> Vialas-ipad: hello, do you have a debian support question?
• 3830[21:03:41] <Vialas-ipad> stupid iPad Keeps Camping Every Word
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• 3832[21:03:50] <Vialas-ipad> yes I Do, I Can' seem To Be Able To Install
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• 3835[21:04:04] <somiaj> Vialas-ipad: what have you tried? What install medium are you using? What is failing?
• 3836[21:04:09] <Vialas-ipad> After Install It Gets Stuck On A Error R Checking Disk Space no Blocks
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• 3839[21:04:31] <Vialas-ipad> i Have Tried Multiple Times To Install From USB
• 3840[21:04:47] <Vialas-ipad> using Network Install, Live CD, Live DVD, Install DVD 1
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• 3842[21:04:50] <Vialas-ipad> doesn't Seem To Want To Work
• 3843[21:04:59] <somiaj> Vialas-ipad: what install image are you using? HOw did you create the usb (copy the .iso to it)
• 3844[21:05:04] <Vialas-ipad> (im Really Sorry For The Weird Caps Thing .... Its Really A young)
• 3845[21:05:10] <Vialas-ipad> (anoying*)
• 3846[21:05:26] <somiaj> Vialas-ipad: it is fine, lets just focus on seeing if we can track down the cause if your issue.
• 3847[21:05:42] <Vialas-ipad> Ok
• 3848[21:05:57] <Vialas-ipad> so Right Now I Am Installing Ubuntu.... It Seems To Be Working Fine
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• 3850[21:06:00] <somiaj> Vialas-ipad: so how did you create the usb image to install from? What tool/command?
• 3851[21:06:02] <eri451> somiaj: there is no /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/mouse.conf in my system where I could disable this behavior
• 3852[21:06:03] <Vialas-ipad> so I Can't See Why Debian Would Not Install On This Pc
• 3853[21:06:18] <Vialas-ipad> icicle Used Multiple Tools At This Point Somija
• 3854[21:06:34] <dionysus69> i need help! I cant install ruby gem called puma it gives this error: replaced-url
• 3855[21:06:37] <somiaj> eri451: It would be /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/foo.conf files, and by default these are not needed, so you would have to create them and look up the syntax.
• 3856[21:06:45] <dionysus69> same error happened on ruby 2.3.1
• 3857[21:07:09] <eri451> somiaj: non of them show this options
• 3858[21:07:22] <somiaj> eri451: by default xorg tries to detect evertying for you. If it dosen't detect things like you want it you can write a config file to change it, or use xinput to modify the current running xserver. Choice is yours
• 3859[21:07:34] <somiaj> eri451: I was just pointing out an alternative, though it will require you learn the xorg.conf syntax
• 3860[21:07:44] <somiaj> Vialas-ipad: what tools?
• 3861[21:07:55] <somiaj> Vialas-ipad: I need details as it helps me figure out what the issue might be.
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• 3863[21:08:11] <Vialas-ipad> rufous
• 3864[21:08:16] <Vialas-ipad> RUFUS *
• 3865[21:08:24] <eri451> somiaj: it's not specificly set
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• 3868[21:08:38] <Vialas-ipad> UNetBootIn
• 3869[21:08:45] <eri451> so I cannot unset it
• 3870[21:08:46] <Vialas-ipad> universal USB maker
• 3871[21:08:46] <somiaj> eri451: correct, xorg tries to guess/set things to defaults, you can write a config file to change this is all I'm saying.
• 3872[21:08:53] <eri451> you see?
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• 3874[21:09:11] <eri451> okay
• 3875[21:09:32] <eri451> so why is this detected or not setting not visible
• 3876[21:09:33] <jhutchins> Vialas-ipad: So the installer boots and starts but fails at the partitioning stage where it checks the disk? WHat hardware are you installing on?
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• 3878[21:09:39] <somiaj> Vialas-ipad: that is most likely the issue, you are in ubuntu correct? Make the image with this command: cp debian.iso /dev/sdX where /dev/sdX is your usb drive, not partition use /dev/sdX not /dev/sdX1, also make sure you point it at the right device, it will destroy data on it.
• 3879[21:09:40] <eri451> so get unset
• 3880[21:09:46] <Vialas-ipad> somiaj, i did have Debian working on this pc. but i force restarted the PC. since then i have had the same error no matter how i try and install
• 3881[21:10:04] <somiaj> Vialas-ipad: unetbootin and tools like it are known to break the debian installers in strange ways.
• 3882[21:10:05] <Vialas-ipad> installing on a 2009 mac mini
• 3883[21:10:10] <jhutchins> Vialas-ipad: Ah. You have a bad disk.
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• 3885[21:10:12] <Vialas-ipad> Mac mini it runs Ubu fine
• 3886[21:10:26] <jhutchins> Vialas-ipad: Since the error?
• 3887[21:10:40] <somiaj> jhutchins: they did say they are using unetbootin, unsure if that will cause this kinda of issue or not, but I thought bad blocks on disk too, or a bad partition table.
• 3888[21:10:50] <Vialas-ipad> oh really somiaj ... that sucks... so what's the best way to make a USB disk?
• 3889[21:11:07] <somiaj> Vialas-ipad: I just told you, copy the image directly to the usb drive with 'cp debian.iso /dev/sdX'
• 3890[21:11:07] <Vialas-ipad> but wouldn't a reinstall format the partition / disk ?
• 3891[21:11:22] <Vialas-ipad> ohhh cool cool
• 3892[21:11:44] <Vialas-ipad> ill write that down
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• 3894[21:11:49] <Vialas-ipad> ill write that down
• 3895[21:12:10] <Vialas-ipad> and do that once ubuntu has installed on it
• 3896[21:12:16] <Vialas-ipad> because i really want Debian :)
• 3897[21:12:21] <Vialas-ipad> such a cleaner system
• 3898[21:12:23] <at0m> Vialas-ipad: and don't be mistaken with the X in sdX or you'll wipe your harddisk
• 3899[21:12:28] <somiaj> Vialas-ipad: unetbootin and its friends try to 'make the device bootable', but debian .iso images are already bootable (actually both legacy and efi bootable) so all you need to do is copy the image onto the usb drive.
• 3900[21:12:34] <jelly> somiaj: the difference between editing XFree86 25 years ago, and today, is now we have a .d/ for snippets yay!!!1
• 3901[21:12:56] <somiaj> jelly: and we are not required to write xorg.conf files in most cases....(:
• 3902[21:13:04] <jelly> no, just snippets
• 3903[21:13:10] <jhutchins> Vialas-ipad: You could also install debian using debootstrap
• 3904[21:13:23] <somiaj> jelly: progress!!
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• 3906[21:13:48] <tomcres> somiaj any real difference between using dd or cp to write a USB image?
• 3907[21:14:06] <jelly> tomcres: cp chooses a sane block size automatically
• 3908[21:14:18] <somiaj> eri451: you can check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what xorg is detecting/doing. Unsure why it is doing that, but sometimes a config snippet is required to modify things (or just use xinput as it works) -- again all I was giving you was an alternative.
• 3909[21:14:21] <Vialas-ipad> that's interesting... but are you telling me.. tht if i put the .iso on the usb
• 3910[21:14:26] <Vialas-ipad> the pic can boot the .iso ?
• 3911[21:14:29] <somiaj> tomcres: cp has nicer defaults on most systems.
• 3912[21:14:38] <Vialas-ipad> or does the cp command unpack the ISO into the USB?
• 3913[21:14:43] <jelly> Vialas-ipad: you write the .iso directly on the whole-stick-device
• 3914[21:14:51] <somiaj> tomcres: so the advantage one would get from dd would require knowledge of the disks and setting the byte write size correctly.
• 3915[21:15:04] <Vialas-ipad> that's cool jelly
• 3916[21:15:09] <jelly> Vialas-ipad: the image is made in such a way to be bootable from usb for uefi systems and bios systems
• 3917[21:15:09] <Vialas-ipad> thanks so much guys for helping me :)
• 3918[21:15:19] <Vialas-ipad> thanks so much guys for helping me :)
• 3919[21:15:25] <eri451> somiaj: okay so the xinput method is persistent then?
• 3920[21:15:38] <somiaj> eri451: you would have to add that command to be run everytime you load your DE/WM
• 3921[21:15:43] <Vialas-ipad> this iPad irc is doing my head in :S
• 3922[21:15:49] <somiaj> eri451: but if you put it as an autostart script it will be.
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• 3924[21:16:07] <Vialas-ipad> cant wait to come back in here and tell you i got it to work :)
• 3925[21:16:28] <eri451> somiaj: and behold the power of default ;)
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• 3928[21:17:08] <jelly> dpkg, flw76 is <reply><Vialas-ipad> cant wait to come back in here and tell you i got it to work :)
• 3929[21:17:09] <dpkg> okay, jelly
• 3930[21:17:33] <jelly> Vialas-ipad: added to the "famous last words" quote database. Thank you.
• 3931[21:17:36] <MaxLanar> Hello, Can I remove 'task-desktop' without any issue ??
• 3932[21:17:57] <Vialas-ipad> im confused lol
• 3933[21:17:59] <somiaj> MaxLanar: you may have to deal with auto-installed packages
• 3934[21:18:04] <jelly> MaxLanar: one would expect some desktopy things to stop working
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• 3936[21:18:36] <jelly> Vialas-ipad: your optimism is noted for future reference!
• 3937[21:18:37] <somiaj> MaxLanar: so if you have packages that are marked auto and are being installed by that meta-package, apt-get will suggest you remove them an daptitude will just remove them, and this could be large amounts of your deksotp.
• 3938[21:18:43] <Iridos> dionysus69, that isn't really a debian problem at all, looks like you're building yourself and just seems like the typical build problem… I would guess it's that: replaced-url
• 3939[21:18:49] <Vialas-ipad> oh haha :) thanks Jelly
• 3940[21:18:53] <jelly> !flw0
• 3941[21:18:53] <dpkg> < try_catch_this> because command line should stay back in the days of dos
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• 3943[21:18:59] <jelly> !flw0
• 3944[21:19:03] <jelly> etc.
• 3945[21:19:04] <Vialas-ipad> well hopefully ill next be chatting to you in a nice fresh install of Debian and not using my iPad hehe
• 3946[21:19:10] <Mortvert> Hey. Anyone got any idea how well would KDE run on a 7 year old netbook?
• 3947[21:19:11] <somiaj> MaxLanar: but as long as you mark other key packages as manual it is just fine to remove, all the package does is pull in other packages, so it is not required.
• 3948[21:19:22] <Mortvert> 2 gigs of ram, intel atom n280
• 3949[21:19:28] <dionysus69> Thanks I ll take a look Iridos :)
• 3950[21:19:47] <jelly> Mortvert: kde itself probably would. Any apps on top of it... 2GB is very little.
• 3951[21:19:53] <Vialas-ipad> ok im off for some breakfast and a coffee
• 3952[21:19:59] <dionysus69> I have no idea what a typical build problem can be like, or how would I resolve it :)
• 3953[21:20:00] <tomcres> mortvert it should run well, but just remember it's a netbook and not a workstation :-)
• 3954[21:20:06] <Vialas-ipad> bbl with a sitrep. have a great day / night everyone and thanks :)
• 3955[21:20:08] <somiaj> the new kde plasma desktop might have trouble on older GPUs too
• 3956[21:20:13] <Mortvert> Hrm
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• 3958[21:20:26] <Mortvert> Guess it's time for a reinstall then but this time from proper DVD image
• 3959[21:20:27] <Mortvert> not a netinst
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• 3961[21:20:45] <jelly> installing from netinst and from dvd image has no difference, Mortvert
• 3962[21:20:49] <somiaj> Mortvert: that shouldn't matter. If you have a good network connenction you can get the exact same install from either.
• 3963[21:21:05] <Mortvert> jelly - difference of me having plug cable in because the wlan adapter is a broadcom chip
• 3964[21:21:14] <Mortvert> and netinst fails to find it
• 3965[21:21:15] <Iridos> dionysus69, you're not on debian stable, right?
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• 3967[21:21:26] <somiaj> !tell Mortvert about firmware images
• 3968[21:21:27] <Iridos> judd, versions openssl
• 3969[21:21:28] <judd> Package: openssl on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb7u1; jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u5; jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u5; jessie-backports: 1.0.2j-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.1.0c-2; sid: 1.1.0c-2
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• 3972[21:21:42] <somiaj> Mortvert: there are unoffical firmware images that have most non-free firmware for wifi cards.
• 3973[21:21:53] <somiaj> Mortvert: read what the bot sent you a message about
• 3974[21:21:58] <Mortvert> I will.
• 3975[21:22:06] <Mortvert> Eh, it's late today anyway and I gotta bounce. Thanks.
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• 3978[21:23:08] <MaxLanar> somiaj: in fact I just want to delete xserver-xorg-video-intel (because this in the package description : "The use of this driver is discouraged if your hw is new enough (ca. 2007 and newer). You can try uninstalling this driver and let the server use it's builtin modesetting driver instead.") but aptitude want to delete 3 other packages before to proceed. If I accept the solution all desktop packages will be remove as well ?
• 3979[21:23:22] <jelly> MaxLanar: which other package?
• 3980[21:23:36] <MaxLanar> jelly: 1) task-desktop
• 3981[21:23:36] <MaxLanar> 2) task-lxde-desktop
• 3982[21:23:36] <MaxLanar> 3) xserver-xorg-video-all
• 3983[21:23:43] <jelly> ah, fun
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• 3985[21:23:52] <jelly> MaxLanar: you're on testing?
• 3986[21:23:54] <somiaj> MaxLanar: What video card do you have? xserver-xorg-video-intel should work with the modsetting driver
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• 3990[21:24:32] <jelly> somiaj: having xserver-xorg-video-intel installed overrides the built-in modesetting for me on stretch
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• 3993[21:24:38] <MaxLanar> jelly: 8.7
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• 3995[21:25:05] <somiaj> jelly: I think I missunderstood what built-in means, that still uses modsetting but it uses it via intel's driver and the built in just uses the modsetting standards for multiple drivers?
• 3996[21:25:09] <awal1> Mortvert, with 2 gb ram you only have enough for kde
• 3997[21:25:32] <MaxLanar> jelly: but linux from bpo (xserver-xorg-video-intel as well)
• 3998[21:25:33] <somiaj> jelly: yea that seems new to me, just noiced the jessie version dosen't mention that, but the stretch one does, so is this built in modsetting video driver need a newer xorg?
• 3999[21:25:48] <MaxLanar> somiaj: HD graphics 530
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• 4003[21:26:16] <somiaj> MaxLanar: Might want to double check what this built in modsetting driver is, and if you need a newer xorg for it or not. This is news to me, so I don't know.
• 4004[21:26:38] <somiaj> MaxLanar: I don't see such a warning in the jessie package, so maybe the jessie xorg doesn't contain this built in driver, trying to find info on this.
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• 4006[21:27:42] <dionysus69> I am not but would the error be cause by that?
• 4007[21:27:51] <somiaj> MaxLanar: it's there, I guess you can try it, I think it is talking about the driver, 'xserver-xorg-video-modesetting' -- which is in jessie.
• 4008[21:28:23] <somiaj> MaxLanar: the packages it wants to remove is just meta packages, but this could have side affects with auto installed packages as I mentioned eariler you will need to deal with.
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• 4013[21:30:07] <somiaj> MaxLanar: also use apt-get, not aptitude, otherwise the auto-installed packages will be removed automatically. apt-get requires a seperate step so it gives you time to mark some packages as manual.
• 4014[21:30:10] <ztealmax> evening all
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• 4016[21:30:20] <MaxLanar> somiaj: 'xserver-xorg-video-modesetting' is already installed on my box (Should I do something with that ?)
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• 4019[21:30:45] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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• 4021[21:31:19] <eran> Hi. Anyone familiar with bootstrap-vz?
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• 4023[21:32:15] <tobiasBora> I'm trying to play with manual creation of bootable usb key, and I would like to know if it is possible to have several casper persistant file for one device.
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• 4026[21:33:35] <somiaj> MaxLanar: no it just seems the suggestion is to uninstall the intel driver and force xorg to hopefully use the modsetting driver. Additionally you maybe able to force this using an xorg.conf.d snippet
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• 4036[21:35:37] <somiaj> MaxLanar: The fact I don't see this warning in jessie still makes me wonder if the xorg server in jessie's modsetting driver shoudl be used over the intel one, but it may be worth checking out. I use the intel one from backports on my system.
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• 4042[21:36:17] <dionysus69> Iridos: that did it, installed libssl1.0-dev package which removed newer version, and now it went through :) thank
• 4043[21:36:26] <Iridos> yw
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• 4045[21:36:49] <Iridos> oh… there's x drivers in backports…
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• 4047[21:37:12] <Iridos> somiaj, can you just use a newer version of the intel driver or were you speaking of the whole xorg blurb from backports
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• 4049[21:37:31] <somiaj> MaxLanar: according to the change log, this change in description occured in the newer intel driver package in Feb 2016.
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• 4052[21:37:53] <somiaj> Iridos: the newer intel driver is depricated in favor of xserver-xorg-video-modesetting it seems
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• 4055[21:38:16] <somiaj> Iridos: this happened in the newer packages (which are now in jessie-backports giving a warning about this in favor of the other driver).
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• 4057[21:38:28] <Iridos> hm
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• 4059[21:38:53] <somiaj> Iridos: what i'm not sure is if the version of xorg and the driver in jessie were ready for this change and if in jessie you should ignore the warning and use the intel driver over the generic modesetting one as is prefered in newer xorg versions.
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• 4061[21:39:11] <Iridos> also… does that need/want/profit from a newer kernel for the kernel modules therein
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• 4063[21:40:11] <Iridos> oh, so it doesn't even use a specific driver anymore for intel … hm… but it still has the driver and you're still using it
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• 4066[21:40:39] <somiaj> yea aperentally you need to remove that driver to get xorg to use the now prefered generic modesetting driver (it still talks to the kms module)
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• 4068[21:40:53] <somiaj> though this is news to me.
• 4069[21:41:15] <Iridos> "now preferred" might not be our preference
• 4070[21:41:49] <somiaj> Iridos: replaced-url
• 4071[21:42:24] <somiaj> as to if that applies to jessie + jessie-backports, I have no clue.
• 4072[21:42:47] <MaxLanar> somiaj: Ok. thank for your help. I will try to apt-get remove it first, and see how it goes.
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• 4075[21:44:37] <MaxLanar> ok, it's done.... I reboot and I tell you what.
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• 4090[21:51:22] <jelly> MaxLanar: you probably don't want to use modesetting on jessie, it's not as full-featured and you've left now
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• 4092[21:52:04] <jelly> can't even rotate a monitor output with it
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• 4094[21:53:59] <MaxLanar> jelly: so i remove xserver-xorg-intel package, rebooted, and I can see some improvements ! :)
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• 4096[21:56:10] <somiaj> jelly: wonder if it is a bug that the description made its way onto the jessie-backports package then? That is what I was courious about if jessie was ready for the switch.
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• 4098[21:56:38] <MaxLanar> jelly: minors thought but now 1/ nexuiz is *slightly* smoother 2/ I can set the resolution of my two screens (vga + hdmi) and their emplacements (one above the other) with the default tool in lxde (I couldn't before)
• 4099[21:57:04] <jelly> somiaj: backports don't exactly get cosmetic Description updates
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• 4104[21:57:34] <jelly> MaxLanar: then it works better on your system than on mine
• 4105[21:57:49] <somiaj> jelly: were you using the backported kernel?
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• 4107[21:57:52] <jelly> stopped making mine be able to xrandr -o 1
• 4108[21:57:53] <somiaj> MaxLanar: ^^
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• 4110[21:58:21] <jelly> (but yes)
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• 4112[21:59:12] <Iridos> uh… I think I've used xrandr -o like… twice or so in the last decade?
• 4113[21:59:34] <Iridos> I'd bet it messes like hell with a dual-monitor setup
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• 4115[22:00:38] <jelly> I guess your monitors do not do PIVOT
• 4116[22:01:10] <Iridos> together, no…
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• 4120[22:03:23] <Iridos> one would… can that be used per-output?
• 4121[22:03:37] <Iridos> and … the one for the laptop also does, but only with the laptop ^ ^
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• 4126[22:07:39] <jelly> Iridos: it can. Except on ivybridge on jessie when it fails to work apparently
• 4127[22:08:25] <Iridos> think it just did
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• 4133[22:10:40] <zuiss1> anyone here run their own xmpp server? i found a prosody tutorial for debian but if i do this, would i be able to just create the server so that i could connect to it from the localhost and chat to people on other xmpp networks? or do i need a domain name for this to actually work?
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• 4137[22:11:33] <Pavr> need a domain name and ssl certs
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• 4140[22:12:01] <Iridos> zuiss1, xmpp networks aren't connected… you can chat with them with pidgin anyway, configuring their server
• 4141[22:12:08] <Iridos> if you run alone, that is standalone…
• 4142[22:12:22] <Iridos> so people would have to connect to your server
• 4143[22:12:35] <zuiss1> even if they have xmpp accounts from other servers?
• 4144[22:12:40] <zuiss1> they still have to connect to mine?
• 4145[22:12:47] <Pavr> no
• 4146[22:13:04] <Iridos> you cannot login to yahoo to use your gmail
• 4147[22:13:11] <zuiss1> Pavr: why do i need a domain name and ssl certs just to make an account i can chat to other people with?
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• 4150[22:13:32] <Pavr> you do if you want to allow your server to establish server 2 server connections
• 4151[22:13:33] <Iridos> you don't need a server to connect to other networks
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• 4153[22:13:49] <Iridos> you only need a client. pidgin is one
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• 4155[22:14:51] <zuiss1> i heard pidgin has a lot of security holes
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• 4157[22:15:41] <Iridos> then you should download its source code and read it carefully from start to finish, looking for any holes you can spot ^ ^
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• 4165[22:17:00] <Pavr> zuiss1, why do you want your own xmpp server?
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• 4167[22:18:01] <zuiss1> Pavr: so servers won't log my chats
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• 4171[22:18:27] <zuiss1> Iridos: i don't need to. others already have
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• 4174[22:18:46] <zuiss1> and reported on it
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• 4176[22:18:52] <Iridos> well… if they have, the holes have been all fixed and it's secure now and open source has won
• 4177[22:18:56] <Pavr> if you're talking with other people that aren't on your own xmpp server your server connects to their server and they can still log it.
• 4178[22:19:26] <zuiss1> Iridos: nope. there are open issues that have been unresolved if you take a look at their issue tracker page
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• 4181[22:20:18] <TomTomTo1> only unimportant issues on the security tracker. replaced-url
• 4182[22:21:09] <Iridos> heh "DISPUTED"
• 4183[22:21:12] <zuiss1> oh i meant the one on pidgin.im but yea i didn't check the debian one
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• 4186[22:22:36] <TomTomTo1> the one on pidgin.im has exactly the same CVEs
• 4187[22:22:42] <zuiss1> the EFF says " Pidgin has a large attack surface. It is a complex program, which has not been written with security as a top priority. It almost certainly has bugs, some of which might be used by governments or even big companies to break into computers that are using it."
• 4188[22:22:50] <zuiss1> replaced-url
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• 4190[22:23:15] <Pavr> that is a totally creditable source...
• 4191[22:23:25] <zuiss1> wikipedia "As observed by Wired in 2015, the libpurple codebase is "known for its bountiful security bugs".[35]"
• 4192[22:23:35] <zuiss1> Pavr: why is EFF uncredible?
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• 4194[22:24:06] <Iridos> I guess if a government REALLY wants into your computer it makes about zilch of a difference if you use pidgin or not
• 4195[22:24:13] <teraflops> zuiss1: ok. so you want your own xmp server because security but complain about using certificates?
• 4196[22:24:16] <teraflops> odd
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• 4200[22:25:13] <zuiss1> teraflops: i didn't complain. i asked why since i'm trying to understand the concept of using the server running on my own machine
• 4201[22:25:24] <somiaj> anyway to determine if an ipaddress is from a common public proxy or not?
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• 4205[22:26:53] <Iridos> hm, prosody does have an s2s module … but as has been pointed out, that would defeat the purpose
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• 4210[22:27:16] <Iridos> it makes more sense to connect the client to multiple networks, including your own standalone server than have the server handle that
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• 4212[22:27:45] <Iridos> and I wonder why gmail.com or jabber.org would allow random servers to speak via an s2s protocol with them
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• 4214[22:27:56] <n4dir> zuiss1: you might want to have a look at the freedombox project, there is a debian-subproject having at it. (you might already know, or it simply is not interesting to you).
• 4215[22:27:56] <Pavr> because it's the power of xmpp
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• 4218[22:28:12] <zuiss1> n4dir: i'll check it out, thanks
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• 4220[22:28:23] <Pavr> so you only need one login and everyone can talk together no matter what network you're on.
• 4221[22:28:35] <zuiss1> Iridos: that's the whole point of federation right?
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• 4223[22:28:47] <n4dir> the bot doesn't know about it "parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, n4dir" , but the debian wiki does.
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• 4232[22:32:48] <zuiss1> also on the topic of pidgin, replaced-url
• 4233[22:32:48] <zuiss1> software that is not based in the libpurple codebase
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• 4235[22:33:35] <zuiss1> so saying pidgin is secure just because there are no open bugs, or one "disputed" bug isn't quite true
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• 4238[22:34:03] <zuiss1> sorry for offtopic, just wanted to clear that up
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• 4240[22:34:27] <Pavr> well that goes for every software. saying pidging is insecure without bugs to back it up doesn't make much sense
• 4241[22:34:30] <Iridos> sure… but if I look at openssl and ssh bugs the same is unfortunately true…
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• 4244[22:35:14] <RajRajRaj> replaced-url
• 4245[22:35:19] <RajRajRaj> Can anyone help please
• 4246[22:35:26] <zuiss1> Iridos: yes it's true for all software but my point was your comment is not quite true "<Iridos> well… if they have, the holes have been all fixed and it's secure now and open source has won" and also that libpurple has a reputation for security holes, moreso than other similar software
• 4247[22:35:49] <tobiasBora> Hello, I'm trying to configure a persistent session using casper in a live usb so I ried to add the "persistent" key-word in my grub.cfg file. Here is my grub.cfg file : replaced-url
• 4248[22:35:59] <tobiasBora> However I tried to boot on it, then "touch /opt/myfile.txt", and after a reboot, the file isn't present (note that I created an ext2 file /casper-rw of 542MiB).
• 4249[22:36:15] <Pavr> zuiss1, what similar software?
• 4250[22:36:21] <Iridos> well, that was just on your "other people did" …
• 4251[22:36:30] <n4dir> isn't casper ubuntu?
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• 4253[22:36:42] <TomTomTo1> zuiss1: nobody was arguing pidgin is perfectly secure. you claimed there were open security issues, which is why i pointer you to the security tracker. you don't need to convince anybody.
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• 4255[22:37:08] <Iridos> actually the "attack surface" thing reminds me of the IRIX philosophy of having huge suid root binaries around that were just waiting for the next exploit
• 4256[22:37:19] <zuiss1> Pavr: gajim, bitlbee, conversations, to name a few
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• 4267[22:42:45] <Pavr> zuiss1, This leads nowhere, but your argument defeats itself. Just because bugs haven't been filed doesn't mean they aren't insecure. But yes offtopic. I'll let it go now :)
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• 4271[22:44:20] <SuperTramp83> zuiss1: apparmor
• 4272[22:44:23] <Pavr> zuiss1, But yes you if you want to talk with others (on other xmpp servers) via your own xmpp server S2S i required. And for them to be able to connect to you, you would need a domain and cert.
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• 4274[22:44:25] <n4dir> wasn't his main point how a xmmp server works, not if or if not pidgin is secure or not?
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• 4276[22:45:58] <zuiss1> n4dir: yes lol
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• 4278[22:46:08] <zuiss1> i made a comment that everyone latched onto though so it got sidetracked
• 4279[22:46:09] <Pavr> zuiss1, if you do decide to setup your own server i can recommend testing it with replaced-url
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• 4282[22:46:55] <zuiss1> i'll look into it
• 4283[22:46:59] <pingouin> hello #debian
• 4284[22:47:04] <zuiss1> i will probably just use a third party server
• 4285[22:47:19] <zuiss1> or a p2p client instead
• 4286[22:47:42] <n4dir> thinking of a p2p client i use, but i sure forgot the name. damnit
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• 4295[22:52:53] <n4dir> tox.
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• 4306[22:56:26] <SuperTramp83> only text chat and only for PC (no wise phoons) -> replaced-url
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• 4313[22:57:41] <zuiss1> i'll try those
• 4314[22:57:43] <zuiss1> thanks
• 4315[22:57:43] <teraflops> tox is a good choice. plenty of clients for all platforms it supports audio/video too
• 4316[22:57:57] <teraflops> all encrypted
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• 4324[22:59:40] <SuperTramp83> ricochet is anoymous and leaks no metadata AFAIK
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• 4351[23:15:29] <gry> i'm wondering why a debian vps would have awful lag when i type. is it networking? if yes then how do i measure it?
• 4352[23:15:44] <SerajewelKS> ping?
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• 4354[23:16:32] <SerajewelKS> it could also be that the hypervisor's CPU is exhausted
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• 4356[23:16:38] <SerajewelKS> and your VPS can't get enough CPU time
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• 4359[23:17:09] <SerajewelKS> which is a common scenario for less expensive providers that oversell capacity
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• 4361[23:17:54] <gry> i'm getting 2ms ping response time for it
• 4362[23:18:00] <gry> i think that's not a lot
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• 4370[23:19:20] <SerajewelKS> no, 2ms is pretty good
• 4371[23:19:28] <gry> right
• 4372[23:19:48] <SerajewelKS> check top, in particular the CPU time for %st (stolen by hypervison)
• 4373[23:19:52] <gry> it's probably an intermittent issue; i'll try pinging it again at the same time the lag happens
• 4374[23:19:53] <SerajewelKS> hypervisor*
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• 4376[23:20:11] <gry> %Cpu(s): 0,0 us, 0,0 sy, 0,0 ni,100,0 id, 0,0 wa, 0,0 hi, 0,0 si, 0,0 st
• 4377[23:20:14] <SerajewelKS> ah well yeah, if 2ms is a sample when the issue isn't present then that doesn't really mean much
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• 4380[23:21:10] <SerajewelKS> if the issue happens frequently, keep ping running so you can see latency history, then when the issue happens switch to the screen running ping and see if the latency changed
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• 4386[23:23:03] <SerajewelKS> for comparison, ping to one of my VPSes is ~30ms and that causes no perceivable delay when typing over ssh
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