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8 [00:02:54] -peeenis- dix dix dix dix dix
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13 [00:03:25] <peeenis> Hi
14 [00:03:28] <peeenis> dix
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28 [00:09:09] <moncrey> hey sorry to get an answer and bail, battery actually died on me
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30 [00:09:26] <moncrey> thank you again. next task, determine how to swap my capslock and ctrl
31 [00:09:39] <moncrey> xmodmap wasnt cutting it, dunno why
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33 [00:09:56] <moncrey> probably i should try again another way
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41 [00:11:25] <peeeeeeenissssss> Hi
42 [00:11:39] <peeeeeeenissssss> i have many dix
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44 [00:11:53] <peeeeeeenissssss> every pubic hair on my crotch is actually another dick
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47 [00:12:11] <peeeeeeenissssss> once upon a time i fucked five whores at the same time
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49 [00:12:20] <peeeeeeenissssss> oral anal and pussy all at once
50 [00:12:24] <peeeeeeenissssss> i have so many dicks
51 [00:12:31] * peeeeeeenissssss has multiple dicks
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53 [00:12:41] <awal1> ops! ban for peeeeeeenissssss :P thanks
54 [00:12:48] <peeeeeeenissssss> why?
55 [00:12:51] <awal1> !ops ban for peeeeeeenissssss :P thanks
56 [00:12:51] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: awal1 complains about: ban for peeeeeeenissssss :P thanks
57 [00:13:08] <peeeeeeenissssss> peeeeeeenissssss peeeeeeenissssss
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59 [00:13:23] <peeeeeeenissssss> Y04NN: hello welcome to the penis channel
60 [00:13:27] <peeeeeeenissssss> i have many penises
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72 [00:16:19] <ytrezq> Hello, does anyone have an idea on how to use Miracast on Linux replaced-url
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76 [00:17:25] <awal1> ,v miracast
77 [00:17:26] <judd> No package named 'miracast' was found in amd64.
78 [00:17:33] <tx> anyone here used spacewalk / foreman with debian?
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80 [00:17:40] <tx> Looking for Canonical Landscape alts.
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113 [00:28:22] <OS-25644> /msg nickserv register 4lf4c3nt47R% ytavira@gmail.com
114 [00:28:58] <tx> k
115 [00:29:25] <tx> OS-25644: Consider changing your password and not having a space between the beginning of the line and the /
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117 [00:29:44] <tx> OS-25644: open a query window with nickserv or use the server tab of your client to make it safer.
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119 [00:32:33] <OS-25644> sorry im just trying thanks for the j
120 [00:32:36] <OS-25644> help
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140 [00:46:07] <Iridos> likcoras, sounds more like you might have a 2nd thing that modifies resolv.conf
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145 [00:47:36] <likcoras> Iridos: Ah, any ideas on what it could be? I am positive I don't have any other network managers installed.
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152 [00:49:00] <Iridos> hm, no… should be some other type of network manager or like service?
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154 [00:49:41] <Iridos> with some luck, opensnoop could provide a clue
155 [00:50:03] <Iridos> that's in the perf-unstable package
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157 [00:50:24] <likcoras> Hm, alright
158 [00:50:26] <Iridos> not so useful if the process only exists for a moment, modifies stuff and then ends, though…
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167 [00:53:27] <CeBe> Hi, is there an updated version of replaced-url
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172 [00:56:15] <Iridos> obviously someone read this part to write that warning…
173 [00:56:28] <Iridos> and that someone wrote "is getting outdated", not "is outdated"
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175 [00:56:58] <CeBe> Iridos: Oh, did overread that "getting" :)
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177 [00:57:20] <Iridos> it's also linking you to the debian sysadmin book thingy… which should be a bit newer
178 [00:57:30] <Iridos> things are more moving towards systemd
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180 [00:58:00] <Iridos> but I don't know in detail what's changing how, as you only find that out when things break and you have to fix them
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183 [00:58:19] <Iridos> and networking has been pretty painless for me lately
184 [00:58:33] <drgr33n> Anyone having issues with VPNC ?
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186 [00:58:52] <CeBe> Iridos: thanks, that already been quite helpful, did not follow the tip to the handbook
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188 [00:59:06] <CeBe> drd
189 [00:59:08] <chibadays> Hiho. Does anyone know if the order of ipv4 vs ipv6 settings matter in /etc/network/interfaces ?
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191 [00:59:12] <CeBe> oops
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193 [00:59:25] <CeBe> chibadays: should not
194 [00:59:33] <Dagger> chibadays: it shouldn't. maybe pastebin your file in case we can spot a mistake?
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204 [01:01:14] <chibadays> Because today in a course we weren't able to switch to ipv6 unless putting the ipv4 lines of /etc/network/interfaces below the ipv6 lines.
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208 [01:02:29] <CeBe> chibadays: I usually have ipv6 below ipv4 so that should not have caused any difference
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211 [01:03:24] <chibadays> CeBe: urgh, that's totally contrary to our experience today. Great ;-)
212 [01:03:55] <CeBe> I am not saying that it does not work for me in different order though :)
213 [01:05:51] <missmbob> CeBe: i've run into probles where you needed to have ipv6 after
214 [01:05:55] <missmbob> problems*
215 [01:06:10] <CeBe> what kind of problems?
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218 [01:06:41] <missmbob> CeBe: some routers wouldn't respond to 4 if 6 had already been requested
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220 [01:07:25] <CeBe> okay, but that is external to the system. so both would be configured on your system correctly just the router does not understand it, right?
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223 [01:07:47] <chibadays> CeBe: Ok, but we literally had to put the lines concerning iv4 below the ipv6 lines to make it work. We had been experimenting with quagga and some custom routing, before. So that's where we supposed the mistake, but in the end it was the order of those lines. *sigh*
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226 [01:08:10] <missmbob> CeBe: 4 would hang and not receive an ip
227 [01:08:52] <CeBe> hm ok
228 [01:09:50] <missmbob> CeBe: this replaced-url
229 [01:10:12] <chibadays> Maybe I should fill a bugreport?!
230 [01:11:13] <chibadays> ...because the order shouldn't matter, but apparently it does.
231 [01:11:21] <CeBe> missmbob: I see so that is dhcp related
232 [01:11:35] <CeBe> chibadays: could you paste your file?
233 [01:11:42] <missmbob> sure. you can call dhcp from interfaces file
234 [01:12:03] <CeBe> missmbob: yeah all fine :)
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236 [01:12:24] <CeBe> it basically does not affect my setup with static ips
237 [01:12:31] <CeBe> so I do not need to worry
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241 [01:13:48] <chibadays> CeBe: It's on the "training-laptop", which is quite far away from me now, but I will be spending the day tomorrow in front if it ;-) From 9:00h am on.
242 [01:14:11] <CeBe> which timezone? :)
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244 [01:14:25] <chibadays> Europe/Berlin
245 [01:14:30] <chibadays> :-)
246 [01:14:34] <CeBe> k
247 [01:15:10] <CeBe> not sure if I'll be there but there are others that may be able to help
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250 [01:15:45] <chibadays> Anyways, thanks a lot. Maybe text some of you tomorow ;-)
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339 [02:03:54] <KingsQuest> hello
340 [02:04:09] <tomcres> hello
341 [02:04:11] <KingsQuest> is debian better than ubuntu in stable and non-stable and untested ?
342 [02:04:53] <KingsQuest> it is legal for me to download non-free iso
343 [02:05:00] <tx> depends and yes
344 [02:05:01] <KingsQuest> where can i find it on web ? my google is messed up
345 [02:05:06] <KingsQuest> it is
346 [02:05:15] <tx> replaced-url
347 [02:05:33] <tx> is probably what you are looking for.
348 [02:05:37] <Noah0504> Those aren't net-install only, are they?
349 [02:05:58] <tx> yeah they are :(
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352 [02:06:11] <Noah0504> That's what I always use, but not sure that's what he wants though.
353 [02:06:14] <tx> replaced-url
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355 [02:06:23] <tx> the live DVD's have a non-free firmware alternative though
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357 [02:06:34] <tx> and you can install from them, so eh
358 [02:06:46] <Noah0504> Good to know. :)
359 [02:07:06] <KingsQuest> can you convert a 8.6.0 non free alternative to the united states mirror ?
360 [02:07:13] <KingsQuest> after installing
361 [02:07:28] <tomcres> sure. just change the mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list
362 [02:07:29] <Noah0504> KingsQuest: Do you have a good Internet connection?
363 [02:07:35] <KingsQuest> yes
364 [02:07:42] <KingsQuest> my download is very slow
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367 [02:08:06] <Noah0504> If you use the first link posted, you'll download the net-install image. If you install from that, it will download all of the packages needed.
368 [02:08:20] <KingsQuest> i like that idea
369 [02:08:25] <Noah0504> You can pick your mirror before installation and you'll have a fully up-to-date install after.
370 [02:08:27] <KingsQuest> does it include a live installer ?
371 [02:08:33] <KingsQuest> the debian-nonfree
372 [02:08:41] <Noah0504> No live install, but it has a graphical install.
373 [02:08:48] <KingsQuest> okies
374 [02:08:50] <Noah0504> You'll just select it from the menu after you boot.
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377 [02:09:15] <tx> the second link I posted is a live DVD
378 [02:09:21] <tx> which will boot into the GUI and also allows installation
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383 [02:12:01] <tomcres> I'm not too familiar with the Live DVD. Is it suitable also to use as a rescue/utility disc?
384 [02:12:10] <tx> yes!
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386 [02:12:18] <tx> It boots you up into a live environment.
387 [02:12:21] <bazhang> why not a live usb
388 [02:12:25] <tx> With a GUI and everything.
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390 [02:12:42] <tomcres> awesome…I'm going to keep it on USB to have "just in case" :-)
391 [02:12:45] <bazhang> you could even make it a usb with persistence if you wished
392 [02:12:45] <tx> bazhang: because they are ISO files and we are using CD/DVD to differentiate image sizes :P
393 [02:12:56] <tx> at least I am :(
394 [02:13:06] <tx> Come on, nobody _actually_ still uses optical media do they.
395 [02:13:07] <bazhang> there's no persistence on optical media
396 [02:13:08] <tx> I haven't in years.
397 [02:13:32] * dvs raises hand
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400 [02:14:05] <bazhang> pendrivelinux.com has ways to do it tomcres
401 [02:14:08] <tx> I'd need to go to my cupboard and get my BDDVD drive out to read anything.
402 [02:14:27] <tomcres> do I need to run isohybrid on it, or can I dd it as is?
403 [02:14:37] <tx> the iso files can be dd'd.
404 [02:14:47] <tx> (they are already hybrid)
405 [02:14:47] <tomcres> cool. thanks
406 [02:15:03] <Noah0504> tx: Sometimes it comes in handy. :) Mostly on the stupid Windows machines I have to fix at work
407 [02:15:27] <tx> I have windows 7/10 installers on a USB though. :P
408 [02:15:27] <Noah0504> However, optical media is mostly dead.
409 [02:16:01] <Noah0504> I just hate having to use that stupid Windows USB Install creator. I haven't found a better way.
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411 [02:16:42] <tx> you can just format it NTFS and copy the files over lol
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415 [02:16:44] <tx> it will work
416 [02:16:57] <Noah0504> Hmm... I can't believe I haven't tried that.
417 [02:17:02] <Noah0504> I'll do it tomorrow!
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419 [02:17:08] <tx> assuming it is formatted on windows
420 [02:17:16] <tx> I haven't tried after formatting with gparted or whatever.
421 [02:17:25] <Noah0504> I would do it on Windows.
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426 [02:19:55] <scokovski> Hi, found this guide and I thought I could apply it to a Debian Openbox system, but I was wrong...
427 [02:19:57] <scokovski> replaced-url
428 [02:20:17] <scokovski> There doesn't seem to be a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-keyboard.conf in Debian.
429 [02:20:32] <Noah0504> You can just make that file.
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431 [02:20:48] <Noah0504> If they tell you what to add.
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434 [02:21:27] <scokovski> It does, but only for the part which is relevant to this, so it seems that there are other settings in there.
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436 [02:21:40] <scokovski> In the guide it says: In section "InputClass", after the line Identifier "system-keyboard", add the lines
437 [02:21:53] <scokovski> So, if it mentions a specific section, there must be others.
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439 [02:24:00] <Noah0504> Hmm... I think the local X11 config for your user will be under /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/
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441 [02:24:06] <Noah0504> See if the file you need is there.
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445 [02:25:36] <ytrezq> Hello, does anyone have an idea on how to use Miracast on Linux replaced-url
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447 [02:28:11] <KingsQuest> SHENMUE 900 days never happened in the history of the United States. on any server !
448 [02:28:36] <KingsQuest> anyone know where i can get netinstall image ?
449 [02:28:42] <KingsQuest> with graphics
450 [02:28:54] <Noah0504> KingsQuest: The first link that was posted earlier.
451 [02:28:59] <KingsQuest> thanks
452 [02:29:11] <Noah0504> When it boots, it will have install and then graphical install.
453 [02:29:44] <Noah0504> Just select graphical with your keyboard.
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476 [02:46:40] <gry> hi! I am trying to type in an audio track in k3b, in an audio cd project. it types latin characters ok, but types no characters when I press a keyboard key in cyrillic layout. what may I do, please? i asked #kde, but have not got a response so far. thanks in advance.
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487 [02:51:36] <tomcres> gry yeah, I can't get it to work either. Very odd
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490 [02:52:43] <tomcres> I wonder if CD-TEXT supports non-ASCII characters. Maybe that's the restriction.
491 [02:53:56] <tomcres> Just checked the Wikipedia article for CD-TEXT. It looks like Cyrillic isn't supported.
492 [02:54:03] <KingsQuest> that is iso9660-9
493 [02:54:17] <KingsQuest> for iso
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515 [03:12:31] <nmschulte> how can I use aptitude (in interactive mode, or otherwise I guess) to allow resolution w/o installing e.g. a held package?
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526 [03:19:29] <Lady_Aleena> Greetings and salutations...
527 [03:19:35] <tomcres> hello
528 [03:20:27] * Lady_Aleena reminds self there is an offtopic channel so goes there.
529 [03:20:31] <ytrezq> Hello, does anyone have an idea on how to use Miracast on Linux replaced-url
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531 [03:21:47] <nmschulte> this looks bad: [ 6894.399241] systemd[1]: segfault at 1 ip 00007f8984bce496 sp 00007ffee6c79f68 error 4 in libc-2.24.so[7f8984b4e000+195000]
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533 [03:22:03] <nmschulte> during an aptitude update... do I reboot?
534 [03:22:33] <Lady_Aleena> Anything new about Debian I might need to know which happened in the last several months?
535 [03:22:34] <tomcres> I don't think you need to reboot. What happens if you issue another `aptitude update`?
536 [03:22:36] <LtL> nmschulte: no
537 [03:22:46] <nmschulte> systemd is non-respond
538 [03:23:17] <nmschulte> oh, aptitude is continuining
539 [03:23:50] <nmschulte> invoke-rc.d: initscript udev, action "restart" failed.
540 [03:23:55] <tomcres> systemd should respawn itself if I'm not mistaken
541 [03:24:35] <nmschulte> it may have...
542 [03:24:55] <nmschulte> is this normal systemd upgrade procedure? i didn't realilze that was updating, I need to pay more attn I guess
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548 [03:27:18] <tomcres> I'm surprised that it segfaulted during an update unless there's something else going on in the background.
549 [03:27:19] <nmschulte> it looks like something may have been asking for a password/phrase, related to udev?
550 [03:27:31] <nmschulte> I am in an X session, yeah.
551 [03:27:45] <nmschulte> was just installing google-chrome to get at its bits...
552 [03:30:01] <tomcres> Maybe a reboot isn't a bad idea just to make sure that systemd has all of its parts running correctly.
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556 [03:30:17] <nmschulte> okay, aptitude finished
557 [03:30:52] <nmschulte> udev needs configured yet
558 [03:30:58] <nmschulte> but it needs systemd running I suppose
559 [03:31:42] <tomcres> udev is part of systemd now, so if systemd is having problems, udev might not be working
560 [03:31:52] <johnkeates> welcome to systemd hell
561 [03:31:53] <nmschulte> okay, taking the plunge.
562 [03:32:18] <nmschulte> REISUB...
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591 [03:51:15] <nmschulte_> it's just segfaulting at boot now, after unlocking cryptodisk
592 [03:51:50] <nmschulte_> what's the quickest way to setup network boot from another debian install on the LAN, so I can rescue mode via debian instller?
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638 [04:29:31] <GenTooMan> Argh I have been trying to update using synaptic but it seemed to always lock up when reading change logs. So I ended up using the cli as root, that's a bit frustrating.
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683 [05:01:55] <nmschulte_> What are the .efi bins in the netboot/ directory of the installer for?
684 [05:02:07] <nmschulte_> Do I need them for PXE via UEFI, or is UEFI irrelevant at that point?
685 [05:02:17] <nmschulte_> They are not included in the netboot.tar.gz blobs.
686 [05:03:22] <Duser> just curious if anyone here is using the rtl8723be wifi driver?
687 [05:04:42] <nmschulte_> I lied; it is in the netboot.tar.gz.
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689 [05:06:01] <KingsQuest> AND NEVER DAMNABLE FOR AN EQUATION ENDING IN 100%. TIED TO AMERICAN SERVERS 900 DAYS. LIKE SHENMUE ISO FOR SOMEONE IN UNITED STATES LIKE ME.
690 [05:06:05] <KingsQuest> oops
691 [05:06:06] <KingsQuest> sorry
692 [05:06:09] <KingsQuest> wrong channel
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696 [05:08:00] <KingsQuest> i use lilo when my root is JFS and it works. and i install the non-free firmware to break selinux and that works to for me. i'm pleased with debian as a product.
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749 [05:56:00] <nmschulte_> What... awk isn't available in the rescue environment?!
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762 [06:06:10] <dsjackins> s
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764 [06:06:44] <dsjackins> anyone have any idea why my wifi turns off after about 10-15 minutes whenever i use my laptop? and then the only way i can get it reconnected is by rebooting
765 [06:07:12] <somiaj> dsjackins: do you see any errors/messages in demsg after it turns off?
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767 [06:08:19] <dsjackins> i'll check once it turns off in a bit here
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772 [06:09:46] <redrabbit> hi
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776 [06:10:06] <redrabbit> on lxde, when can i setup power management
777 [06:10:28] <redrabbit> there is no option to shutdown the screen after x minutes only on battery
778 [06:10:49] <redrabbit> where*
779 [06:11:15] <GPenguin> redrabbit: thats hidden in the config of the window manager
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781 [06:11:44] <GPenguin> (i think)
782 [06:11:59] <redrabbit> in "preferences"?
783 [06:12:07] <GPenguin> yes
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790 [06:13:01] <redrabbit> what's the element in the menu to pick
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794 [06:15:37] <GPenguin> redrabbit: well. should be in the menu / preferences / screensaver
795 [06:15:48] <redrabbit> ok
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797 [06:16:07] <redrabbit> there is no option regarding battery or a/c power
798 [06:16:44] <nmschulte_> Okay, I can't seem to resolve this systemd seg-fault in libc issue I'm having; can't boot.
799 [06:16:52] <redrabbit> anothing thing, when i use screensaver to turn the monitor off
800 [06:16:54] <nmschulte_> Anyone able to lend a hand, I'd appreciate it.
801 [06:17:13] <redrabbit> when i gets back its back to default brighness
802 [06:17:18] <redrabbit> its not kept :/
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811 [06:19:49] <GPenguin> i remember that you had to do some things in lxde manually via a terminal to get some useful features running
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813 [06:21:02] <GPenguin> there is also #lxde on irc.oftc.net
814 [06:21:30] <GPenguin> there is the debian wiki and the lxde wiki
815 [06:21:35] <redrabbit> theres a chan here as well
816 [06:21:44] <redrabbit> is it more active out ther
817 [06:21:57] <GPenguin> have not tried them
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819 [06:23:25] <redrabbit> i had to make a script for screen brightness too
820 [06:24:08] <redrabbit> xbacklight was erratic and i had to configure xbindkeys to be able to change via the keyboard
821 [06:24:21] <redrabbit> are other light DE less trick ?
822 [06:24:23] <redrabbit> y
823 [06:24:31] <redrabbit> like xfce or mate
824 [06:24:43] <redrabbit> never tried them on a laptop, only desktop
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826 [06:26:22] <redrabbit> GPenguin: what package should i install to enable sound on my old laptop ?
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828 [06:26:51] <redrabbit> its almost antique gear, so i can't use something that pump juice
829 [06:27:09] <redrabbit> id rather stay sound-less if thats the cast
830 [06:27:11] <redrabbit> e
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833 [06:29:36] <alamak> Hi
834 [06:29:42] <redrabbit> xfce4-mixer i guess
835 [06:29:45] <redrabbit> hi
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842 [06:34:56] <alamak> where are you from rabbit?
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851 [06:39:02] <Old_Dog> I've logged in on my LMDE2 Betsy install, and found that NONE of the Base (Jessie) repositories are reachable. That seems so highly unlikely that I suspect I must be doing something wrong. Any ideas, or suggestions?
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854 [06:41:33] <GPenguin> redrabbit: honestly, i dont know any more details
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877 [07:03:56] <Old_Dog> I've logged in on my LMDE2 Betsy install, and found that NONE of the Base (Jessie) repositories are reachable. That seems so highly unlikely that I suspect I must be doing something wrong. Any ideas, or suggestions?
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900 [07:13:56] <jmcnaught> Old_Dog: this is probably something you'll need to ask about in a LMDE2 support channel
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904 [07:15:09] <jmcnaught> !lmde
905 [07:15:09] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
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926 [07:31:51] <WorkdIrc> hello all
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928 [07:32:18] <WorkdIrc> i just have a question if you please is there a way to secure an IRCD on Debian ?
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953 [07:47:49] <NickNo1> Hi, how do i install debian with a "--force-badname"-option ?
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959 [07:54:41] <jmcnaught> NickNo1: what do you mean?
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961 [07:55:35] <NickNo1> Hi, how do i install debian with a "--force-badname"-option to install with a uppercase Username ?
962 [07:56:19] <jmcnaught> NickNo1: is the Debian installer giving you an error when you try to include an uppercase character in a username?
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967 [07:57:57] <NickNo1> jmcnaught if you dont know you distribution never mind answering... on question you are not able to answer...
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969 [07:58:33] <jmcnaught> NickNo1: i'm asking you for more context because your question isn't clear, but it's fine if you don't want my help.
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972 [07:59:31] <NickNo1> jmcnaught, instead give people with the knowledge the opportunity to answer....
973 [07:59:38] <NiceasIce> jmcnaught did you get all the updated ?
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975 [07:59:58] <NiceasIce> just try this apt-get update
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977 [08:00:06] <NiceasIce> and then apt-get upgrade
978 [08:00:21] <jmcnaught> NiceasIce: you must mean someone else
979 [08:00:21] <NiceasIce> and that should install the new pakages
980 [08:00:37] <NiceasIce> nope i mean you
981 [08:00:54] <NiceasIce> any ways so sorry if i stepped in like that
982 [08:01:05] <zxcvbn> NickNo1: 'force-badname' should be an option for 'adduser' command, not for debian installer
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984 [08:01:59] <zxcvbn> NickNo1: you can install debian as usual and then add custom alias to your commands
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989 [08:03:34] <jmcnaught> "how do i use adduser's --force-badname in the debian installer? i am getting $ERROR when i try to enter $FOO."
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991 [08:03:55] <jmcnaught> is an example of asking a clear question that is still concise
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1002 [08:09:08] <NickNo1> I see, how do i install debian with a uppercase Username then , if you dont know , please keep it silent so i dont miss the answer...
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1015 [08:18:57] <jmcnaught> NickNo1: if the installer is giving you a hard time about it, don't create the account in the installer. after the installation, log in as root, use adduser to create the account with whatever options you want
1016 [08:20:23] <NickNo1> jmcnaught, thanks for your advice, but i am not looking for a workaround.... , this is not helping me, okay ?
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1019 [08:21:46] <jmcnaught> you'd be done installing Debian by now if you didn't get stuck on this non-issue. best of luck. if you don't like the help you can always go somewhere else :)
1020 [08:22:40] <NiceasIce> jmcnaught question is there a way i can secure an IRcd on Debian or keep my VPS safe ?
1021 [08:23:11] <NickNo1> I am personally in need to install debian with a uppercase "Username", directly...with no workaround by addding a User aferward, thanks, but please keep it silent and give knowledgeable people with experience give the answer..., dont interfere anymore, please... !
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1028 [08:24:48] <jmcnaught> NiceasIce: securing an IRC daemon will be the same on Debian as on any distro. if you have a more specific question someone might have an answer, but you will likely have better luck in the channel for whatever IRC daemon you're using
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1031 [08:27:00] <jscoder> This program called TheBrain (thebrain.com) created a directory in my home dir that contains a single file, and even doing rm -rf as root, it keeps coming back
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1051 [08:29:19] <jmcnaught> jscoder: you're sure the program didn't leave anything behind?
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1096 [08:31:13] <NickNo1> jscoder, as far as i remember there used to be a special switch maybe for "chown" or "chmod" or another command that would enable you to delete any file, even files root is not allowed to delete. !
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1099 [08:31:20] <jscoder> jmcnaught: it was installed to /usr/local/thebrain which is gone and I dont see any unusual processes
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1101 [08:31:36] <jscoder> NickNo1: oh it deletes it.. it just keeps coming back
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1107 [08:32:09] <jscoder> when I use caja it shows it in the trash, and when I use rm -rf as root it disappears from caja.. it just comes back either way
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1110 [08:32:14] <jmcnaught> jscoder: what is the file in question? Did the program install any services units or init scripts? cron tasks etc?
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1113 [08:32:52] <jscoder> jmcnaught: its an ascii text file called brain.lock.db
1114 [08:33:13] <CrazyTux> hi jscoder.
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1116 [08:33:31] <jscoder> #FileLock #Fri Jan 13 02:23:33 EST 2017 id=159967c65687b77bcfa44dca74ac09903f650f003fe method=file
1117 [08:33:39] <jscoder> those are the 4 lines in it
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1136 [08:35:55] <awal1> jscoder, shift-delete ?
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1140 [08:36:34] <jscoder> awal1: yeah. its not that, its deleting it, its just coming back right after it deletes it
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1157 [08:38:30] <awal1> you may have something of that program somewhere, probably in your home dir, not removed
1158 [08:38:42] <NickNo1> this is hilarious, Knoppix 3.4 offerd uppercase Usernames... back in 2004... but debian is not allowed to ?
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1161 [08:39:07] <jscoder> you'd certainly think so.. but I dont see it
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1164 [08:41:01] <NiceasIce> its was nice talking to all of you am going to bed
1165 [08:41:10] <NiceasIce> good night every one
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1189 [08:57:29] <awal1> jscoder, checked in .config, .cache, .local/share?
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1235 [09:09:30] <SunOS> hello , i`m using debian 7
1236 [09:09:38] <SunOS> how can i update to debian 8
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1242 [09:10:50] <jelly> dpkg, tell SunOS about wheezy->jessie
1243 [09:11:38] <SunOS> 10x
1244 [09:12:29] <jelly> SunOS: you can ask the bot about other stuff in private, eg. /msg dpkg release notes
1245 [09:12:40] <jscoder> awal1: yeah there's nothing in there
1246 [09:12:53] <SunOS> ;)
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1250 [09:15:48] <awal1> jscoder, sounds like a nsa trojan :P
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1252 [09:16:22] <awal1> nah, just a joje; try rm via tty, after log out from X
1253 [09:16:26] <awal1> joke
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1256 [09:17:08] <jscoder> awal1: yeah clamav did turn up some trojans..
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1265 [09:17:56] <jscoder> awal1: PUA.Win.Trojan.Xored-1 though I'm not taking that too seriously
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1278 [09:20:14] <awal1> jscoder, personally, I only install from debian repos, even if that makes me missing "something" sometimes; if really really needed i run x third party stuff only in vm
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1282 [09:21:53] <jscoder> awal1: yeah, well the trojan thing is in firefox's cache
1283 [09:22:18] <awal1> good news
1284 [09:22:18] <jscoder> this is a fresh install I just did last night.. clamav was just being overzealous
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1286 [09:23:00] <jscoder> I just installed that brain software to check it out, I haven't used it in over a decade. not a whole lot seems to have changed
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1292 [09:24:17] <jscoder> I'm gonna reboot and delete every f'n thing.. heh
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1296 [09:24:50] <jscoder> well.. everything except the sawfish config I'm gonna backup now
1297 [09:25:07] <awal1> you may try to have the habit of testing stuff in vm first
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1302 [09:25:44] <jscoder> awal1: yeah well hindsight is 20/20
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1305 [09:28:25] <jscoder> yeah I'm gonna go down to runlevel 1 and delete the whole homedir, then bring it back up
1306 [09:28:58] <CrazyTux> which is the best virtualization package available for linux?
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1308 [09:29:14] <CrazyTux> I mean, that can be installed in Linux OS?
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1316 [09:32:17] <jmcnaught> CrazyTux: my favourite is libvirt and KVM
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1319 [09:32:57] <CrazyTux> ok
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1367 [09:45:49] <jscoder> doh.. just realized I had more stuff I should've backed up :-P
1368 [09:46:56] <jscoder> forgot about my virtualboxes.. oh well. I have the vdi files backed up
1369 [09:47:08] <zxcvbn> jscoder: how is your file, is it deleted now?
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1371 [09:47:26] <jscoder> yeah I deleted the whole homedir
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1374 [09:48:09] <jscoder> I forgot I installed 3 guest OSes though..
1375 [09:48:12] <zxcvbn> maybe you should restore homedir :) because bad process still can be up and running, it just cant create that file
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1378 [09:48:56] <jscoder> zxcvbn: it was a java app, it was probably the jvm itself doing it
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1380 [09:49:25] <jscoder> we all know how braindead java is
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1383 [09:51:04] <zxcvbn> anyway somehow bad code was inside jvm and that can happen again
1384 [09:51:32] <jscoder> yeah that TheBrain program is a giant db app that didn't want you accidentally deleting its data
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1387 [09:52:26] <jscoder> you look at what type of program it is, you'd understand.. its made to house all your thoughts and ideas, and organize all your files
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1403 [09:55:45] <zxcvbn> mind and files organizer, can make you a genius or businessman, only $9.99/month
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1406 [09:56:17] <zxcvbn> installation: sudo installer.sh
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1410 [09:57:11] <alwyn> Why does the whois package contain mkpasswd?!
1411 [09:57:19] <alwyn> That seems like such a weird package to put it in
1412 [09:57:28] <jscoder> alwyn: haha.. I always wondered that myself.
1413 [09:57:29] <alwyn> (see replaced-url
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1415 [09:58:02] <jscoder> I never use it for what its intended anyhow.. I use it to random seed my brain when making passwords.
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1418 [09:58:32] <alwyn> lol?
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1422 [09:59:21] <alwyn> replaced-url
1423 [09:59:28] <jscoder> you know, let it output a bunch of crap then select random bits to use as your password
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1425 [09:59:40] <alwyn> I meant it more for mkpasswd in whois
1426 [10:00:03] <jscoder> yeah idk wtf mkpasswd has to do with whois
1427 [10:00:10] <alwyn> No pwgen -s xx? :)
1428 [10:00:26] <alwyn> Then you have a lot of different strings to pick one from!
1429 [10:00:31] <alwyn> Or combine them yourself
1430 [10:00:43] <alwyn> Or -sy if you want to make it even harder
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1462 [10:18:20] <chibadays> Hello debian hackers. We had a strange incident yesterday in a course: We played with debian network configuration and ipv6, to learn about tcp/ip. When trying to activate ipv6 through /etc/network/interfaces it only worked with ipv6 before ipv4 settings in the interfaces file. Which should not be the case, as I have been told. Here is the working version of our config file: replaced-url
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1477 [10:25:37] <babilen> chibadays: Some people are quite reluctant to look at pastebin.com - Might be a better idea to use a less shitty pastebin such as one of replaced-url
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1493 [10:31:41] <grawity> and while you're at it, maybe pastebin the output of e.g. `ifup -v eth0` with both the working and non-working configs
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1503 [10:35:52] <chibadays> babilen: Thanks a lot. Done proberly: replaced-url
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1514 [10:43:02] <vkolchev> hello, what can be the reason for crontab not working? I added @reboot /path/to/binary , and it does not run on startup. I can start it manually though
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1518 [10:44:23] <thib> what's wrong with pastebin.com?
1519 [10:44:59] <bezaban> thib: is there anything wrong with it?
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1522 [10:45:31] <thib> 09:25:37< babilen> chibadays: Some people are quite reluctant to look at pastebin.com
1523 [10:46:03] <babilen> dpkg: pastebin.com
1524 [10:46:03] <dpkg> pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like replaced-url
1525 [10:47:04] <thib> i see, thanks
1526 [10:47:29] <bezaban> ah, yes I'm on board too. Didn't read the backlog that far :)
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1540 [10:56:35] <if_gaga0> hello guys, today haproxy 1.7.2 has been released, and can anyone explaine, when this package is avialable in debian? replaced-url
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1542 [10:57:12] <bazhang> ,v haproxy
1543 [10:57:14] <judd> Package: haproxy on amd64 -- jessie-security: 1.5.8-3+deb8u1; wheezy-backports: 1.5.8-3+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.5.8-3+deb8u2; wheezy-backports-sloppy: 1.7.1-1~bpo7+1; jessie-backports: 1.7.1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.7.1-1; stretch: 1.7.1-1
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1546 [10:57:43] <azerty123> hi
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1548 [10:58:47] <ws2k3_> does debian not broadcast a shutdown anymore? when i hit reboot in jessie my ssh session just hangs, with wheezy the ssh session nicely closed
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1551 [10:59:14] <if_gaga0> bazhang: as i see replaced-url
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1561 [11:04:01] <babilen> if_gaga0: The new version will have to be packaged, yes
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1563 [11:05:38] <if_gaga0> babilen thanks, good news, can you tell me when will this happen?
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1565 [11:06:38] <babilen> if_gaga0: How could I possibly know ? I'm not the maintainer nor does Debian have any form of surveillance that would allow us to answer questions like that. ;)
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1567 [11:07:16] <babilen> I guess "In due course" -- It was released today, so be a bit patient :)
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1602 [11:25:34] <unborn> guys whats the default keyboard in awesome debian for uk?
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1604 [11:28:52] <bazhang> awesome?
1605 [11:29:05] <bazhang> en_uk?
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1610 [11:32:02] <unborn> bazhang: I cannot get super key work with shortcuts
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1613 [11:33:47] <bazhang> unborn, is this xfce, gnome-shell or what
1614 [11:33:56] <unborn> gnome
1615 [11:34:26] <bazhang> unborn, gnome-shell has a plugins website
1616 [11:34:37] <bazhang> they have tonnes of addons
1617 [11:34:41] <unborn> when I press super+r while creating new shortcut, it only keep saying multikey
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1620 [11:36:12] <dionysus69> when is wayland DM going to be default for debian?
1621 [11:36:25] <bazhang> never?
1622 [11:36:31] <dionysus69> why not lol
1623 [11:36:36] <bazhang> I thought it was mir
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1626 [11:36:45] <bazhang> perhaps thats me confused
1627 [11:36:52] <bazhang> ,v wayland
1628 [11:36:53] <judd> No package named 'wayland' was found in amd64.
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1631 [11:37:55] <dionysus69> i am talking about xorg vs wayland thing
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1633 [11:38:20] <bezaban> ,v mir
1634 [11:38:21] <judd> No package named 'mir' was found in amd64.
1635 [11:38:24] <bazhang> yes I am aware
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1638 [11:38:41] <bazhang> wayland has another name iirc
1639 [11:38:41] <grawity> ,v x11
1640 [11:38:42] <judd> No package named 'x11' was found in amd64.
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1642 [11:38:50] <grawity> what was the point, again?
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1648 [11:39:56] <grawity> it's a protocol, it doesn't have its own package... gnome-shell and gdm can speak X11 and Wayland, and I think Wayland is already the default in 3.22 (upstream, not debian)
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1651 [11:41:51] <sruli> on a ssd drive, if i overwrite the header of luks partition do i need to run fstrim to make sure its gone? so far i can only find how to run fstrim on a mounted FS
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1653 [11:43:20] <grawity> that's because fstrim is a filesystem tool
1654 [11:43:33] <grawity> if all you need is the low-level operation (TRIM/discard), use blkdiscard
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1657 [11:43:57] <sruli> grawity: will look that up, thanks
1658 [11:44:06] <grawity> although regular TRIM doesn't necessarily delete any data
1659 [11:44:14] <grawity> just tells the SSD to consider the area free
1660 [11:44:21] <grawity> --secure might work better, though
1661 [11:44:33] <Dagger> chibadays: here's a theory: if the inet stanza is first, then it'll be processed first, which involves bringing the interface up. when the interface comes up, Linux will send an RS and get an RA in response -- which it'll ignore because presumably you have forwarding=1 and you don't have accept_ra=2
1662 [11:44:52] <Dagger> chibadays: then it'll process the inet6 stanza which sets accept_ra=2, but that's too late for the first RA
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1664 [11:45:10] <sruli> grawity: --secure with which tool?
1665 [11:45:22] <grawity> sruli: same
1666 [11:46:17] <Dagger> presumably it'd set up fine if you waited until the next RA came in (or triggered one with `rdisc6`), or alternately if you set accept_ra=2 in sysctl.d or from a pre-up line in the inet stanza (so that it's set before the interface comes up)
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1668 [11:49:10] <sruli> grawity: to use blkdiscard i will need to first take the start point from parted or similar, i cannot run it on partition, right?
1669 [11:49:17] <grawity> sruli: dunno
1670 [11:49:42] <grawity> try it and see if you get an error
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1684 [11:56:04] <darxmurf> hi all
1685 [11:56:46] <darxmurf> how can I make an addition of "dirations" in bash ? I have a list of durations formated as HH:MM:SS I have to addition
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1689 [12:00:20] <sruli> grawity: whichever way i am getting error ioctl failed operation not supported... i gues will hae to test on real ssd instead of vm
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1694 [12:01:41] <grawity> sruli: very few VMs support TRIM
1695 [12:01:52] <darxmurf> found it: for + sum="$(date -u -d "$EPOCH $i" +%s) + $sum"
1696 [12:01:56] <SynrG> darxmurf: an obvious way would be to convert them to seconds, add them, then convert them back. do you need a pure shell solution? if not, probably awk would help. assuming a file of durations in that format, set your delim to : to split into three fields, add hh*60*60 + mm*60 + ss, and do the reverse when you print the sum in your END
1697 [12:02:05] <SynrG> ah, or that :)
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1699 [12:02:26] <SynrG> darxmurf: does that work if HH = 90, for instance?
1700 [12:02:47] <sruli> grawity: its debain on kvm, but dont see ssd option in disk bus.. will be a pain to test on real one.. but no other option
1701 [12:03:09] <darxmurf> I don't have HH=90
1702 [12:03:10] <darxmurf> :D
1703 [12:03:13] <darxmurf> but good question
1704 [12:03:21] <grawity> sruli: replaced-url
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1706 [12:03:43] <darxmurf> invalid date ‘jan 1 1970 90:05:26’
1707 [12:03:45] <darxmurf> nop :)
1708 [12:03:45] <SynrG> darxmurf: or MM or SS = 90 for that matter
1709 [12:03:48] <SynrG> yeah
1710 [12:03:59] <SynrG> so, doesn't generally handle all possible HH:MM:SS durations :p
1711 [12:04:08] <darxmurf> true
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1713 [12:04:13] <SynrG> darxmurf: try the awk approach
1714 [12:04:21] <darxmurf> but as it was a list of phone call duration it's fine :-)
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1716 [12:05:15] <SynrG> darxmurf: ah, so it does seem rather unlikely a phonecall will exceed a day
1717 [12:05:16] <darxmurf> ah yep, awk to add HH+HH MM+MM SS+SS then convert everybody to min
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1720 [12:06:08] <sruli> grawity: thanks
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1724 [12:08:23] <neko1984> hi
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1731 [12:10:40] <neko1984> I've made a sdcard backup with command dd into a file .img . When i try to restore it in the same sdcard (with dd command again) i get an error that indicates there isnt enough space in the sdcard
1732 [12:10:49] <neko1984> why happen this?
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1734 [12:11:26] <jscoder> neko1984: you probably did something wrong. try mount the image
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1736 [12:12:15] <neko1984> how?
1737 [12:12:40] <jscoder> neko1984: what was the filesystem on the original sdcard? Fat32?
1738 [12:12:53] <neko1984> ext4
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1740 [12:13:22] <jscoder> neko1984: ok well then mount -o loop -t ext4 backup.img /mnt
1741 [12:13:48] <jscoder> neko1984: if you can mount the image you can access the data that way and copy it back
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1743 [12:14:38] <neko1984> wrong fs type
1744 [12:14:40] <jscoder> it all depends on how you created the image though. you didn't say what you typed when you did the dd command
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1748 [12:15:50] <neko1984> sudo dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=backup.img bs=4M
1749 [12:16:17] <jscoder> heh
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1751 [12:17:09] <neko1984> sdcard has two partitions (is a raspbian os)
1752 [12:17:28] <neko1984> fdisk -l shows:
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1754 [12:18:54] <neko1984> fdisk -l shows:
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1756 [12:20:05] <neko1984> "/dev/mmcblk0p1 W95 Fat32 (LBA)"
1757 [12:20:11] <neko1984> "/dev/mmcblk0p2 Linux"
1758 [12:20:11] <jscoder> I'm pretty sure you will have screwed up that image by making the byte size 4M
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1761 [12:21:23] <neko1984> do you believe i have to execute the same command without bs option?
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1763 [12:22:21] <jscoder> no I just think you wanted a smaller bs, because a 4MB bs could corrupt the partition table I would think
1764 [12:22:48] <neko1984> 16K? 128K?
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1766 [12:23:42] <neko1984> thanks for your help, jscoder :-)
1767 [12:24:10] <jscoder> I think 512k is the standard size for blocks on pc partitions
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1769 [12:24:46] <grawity> first time I've heard of that
1770 [12:24:53] <grawity> 512 *bytes*, maybe
1771 [12:24:57] <grawity> (or commonly 4 kB)
1772 [12:25:00] <jscoder> oh, yes right
1773 [12:25:27] <jscoder> there is a utility that can map device nodes for partitions in a file
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1775 [12:25:47] <jscoder> !info kpartx
1776 [12:26:03] <grawity> for that matter, losetup --partscan can do the same
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1781 [12:26:30] <dpkg> kpartx: (create device mappings for partitions), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.6.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 78 kB
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1790 [12:30:21] <neko1984> i dont understand how kpartx works :(
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1793 [12:31:08] <if_gaga0> babilen: thanks for clarification :]
1794 [12:34:18] <jscoder> neko1984: replaced-url
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1803 [12:39:02] <zxcvbn> How to make and mount file with filesystem inside? I do: dd if=/dev/zero of=/var/tmp/big.file; mkfs.ext2 /var/tmp/big.file; mount -o loop -t ext2 /var/tmp/big.file /media/file; result is: "mount: /media/file: mount failed: Unknown error -1"
1804 [12:39:39] <grawity> zxcvbn: can you manually losetup the file?
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1806 [12:39:49] <zxcvbn> RAM is small, ~200mb, and linux is running on OpenVZ, kernel is 2.6.32, if that matters
1807 [12:39:51] <grawity> ah
1808 [12:39:57] <grawity> you can't really do shit like that on OpenVZ
1809 [12:40:04] <zxcvbn> grawity: how to losetup it?
1810 [12:40:24] <grawity> that is, AFAIK, even if you can mount stuff, you still cannot loop devices on OpeNVZ
1811 [12:40:43] <grawity> *cannot use loop devices
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1813 [12:41:31] <zxcvbn> there are no files like /dev/loop*; "losetup /dev/loop0 /var/tmp/big.file" returns an error: "losetup: /dev/loop0: failed to set up loop device: No such file or directory"
1814 [12:41:42] <zxcvbn> so there's no way on OpenVZ. okay :(
1815 [12:42:16] <grawity> you're sharing the host's kernel with all other "VMs"; there's very little you *can* do
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1817 [12:43:42] <zxcvbn> but mounting custom file should not be very hard and limited operation
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1819 [12:44:14] <grawity> it's not hard
1820 [12:44:16] <grawity> it's just limited
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1822 [12:44:36] <grawity> mainly because loop devices are still devices, and they're not namespaced – the configuration is global
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1825 [12:47:01] <zxcvbn> actual problem is: my OpenVZ provider is overselling disk space and sometimes there is no free space left, I thought somehow I can create a fixed-size container and reserve some space for myself
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1827 [12:47:51] <zxcvbn> I can mount tmpfs from RAM, but it is very small
1828 [12:47:53] <grawity> you definitely need a better provider
1829 [12:47:55] <jelly> find a better provider and/or get your money back
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1832 [12:48:07] <grawity> KVM VPSes start at $7/month
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1834 [12:48:24] <jelly> my xen VM is 2€/month
1835 [12:48:35] <zxcvbn> my cheap OpenVZ is $10/year :)
1836 [12:48:43] <grawity> zxcvbn: but that's why it's so cheap
1837 [12:48:46] <jelly> tanstaafl
1838 [12:49:24] <zxcvbn> there's only one problem today: free space..
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1843 [12:50:45] <zxcvbn> google says its possible to mount .tar.gz and dynamically update content, maybe there is a way to create .tar.gz with fixed reserved file size
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1845 [12:52:16] <jelly> you're not likely to be able to mount stuff inside an openvz container
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1851 [12:54:13] <zxcvbn> I think im still able to mount stuff like "sshfs", though thats not a solution (network connection lost = data lost)
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1853 [12:55:49] <MACscr> if im using wpa_passphrase, how can i copy and paste the generated psk into my network/interfaces file when I am at console and have no mouse
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1855 [12:56:27] <OtakuSenpai> hello guys
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1858 [12:57:08] <OtakuSenpai> if i want to install the firefox package from stretch,will there be any problem?
1859 [12:57:09] <grawity> MACscr: just type the original passphrase in there
1860 [12:57:23] <grawity> MACscr: but, if you're editing with vim, ":r !wpa_passphrase foo bar" would insert it
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1862 [12:57:34] <grawity> MACscr: in nano, Ctrl-R Ctrl-X if I remember correctly
1863 [12:57:50] <OtakuSenpai> im currently in sid
1864 [12:57:52] <grawity> or you can redirect the command to >>interfaces
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1866 [12:58:08] <MACscr> grawity oh, i didnt know i could store the passphrase in the config. i will check that
1867 [12:58:09] <zxcvbn> okay I think I found a solution, according to google its called 'sparse file', when file is using disk space but contains no data. Now its time to create oversized .tar.gz archive and mount .tar.gz instead of mounting loop image file
1868 [12:58:23] <grawity> zxcvbn: you can't mount a .tar.gz
1869 [12:58:39] <zxcvbn> grawity: why?? :((
1870 [12:58:39] <grawity> zxcvbn: also that's not how sparse files work
1871 [12:58:46] <grawity> zxcvbn: because it's an archive, it's not something mountable!
1872 [12:59:04] <grawity> zxcvbn: and even if it had a mountable filesystem, you *still* couldn't mount it without using either FUSE or a loop device
1873 [12:59:08] <zxcvbn> grawity: replaced-url
1874 [12:59:14] <zxcvbn> :(
1875 [12:59:19] <grawity> here archivemount is FUSE
1876 [12:59:35] <grawity> *and* it works by rebuilding the archive anew, it doesn't update anything in-place
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1879 [13:00:13] <grawity> (I wonder if a raw (uncompressed) .tar could be updated in-place... probably still no)
1880 [13:00:46] <jelly> clearly they need a fuse-based implementation of ext3/4 :-)
1881 [13:00:51] <jelly> but honestly, it's not worth our time figuring out a way to work around silliness on an inherently broken platform
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1981 [14:03:57] <tdn> Having just installed a new debian system, I notice that there are some system users who have a different uid/gid than on my backup. This is users/groups such as 'statd', 'sshd', 'audio', 'video'. I would like to fix this so that all my machines has the same uid/gid for the same users. Is there a list somewhere of all "wellknown" UIDs and GIDs on Debian?
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1990 [14:07:31] <p1p10l0> maybe it's not complete, but look at: /usr/share/doc-base/users-and-groups
1991 [14:07:39] <p1p10l0> ^^^ tdn
1992 [14:08:16] <tdn> Taking a look
1993 [14:08:21] <p1p10l0> mmm it does not list UIDs and GIDs, only their purpose by name
1994 [14:08:24] <p1p10l0> sorry
1995 [14:08:28] <tdn> It does not list uids
1996 [14:08:32] <tdn> Yeah
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1998 [14:08:54] <tdn> OK. I guess I will just change the uids/gids on the new machine :)
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2000 [14:09:21] <tdn> Even though it is tedious to search through every file and change ownerships as well....
2001 [14:09:37] <jrtc27> tdn: was the old machine Debian too?
2002 [14:09:50] <tdn> jrtc27, yes, all my machines are debian. 7 or 8
2003 [14:10:35] <jrtc27> replaced-url
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2005 [14:10:45] <jrtc27> anything in 100-999 is dynamically allocated for system accounts
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2007 [14:11:05] <jrtc27> 0-99 are statically allocated
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2010 [14:11:31] <tdn> jrtc27, some of these are in 0-99. Like audio (29) and video (44)
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2012 [14:11:45] <tdn> The problem is, I have a file server that already have an audio and video group with a high id.
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2014 [14:12:08] <tdn> Because back when that was installed (debian5 or 6) there was no audio nor video gruop in 0-99
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2016 [14:12:31] <jrtc27> tdn: I strongly suggest you make everything use 29 and 44 in those cases
2017 [14:12:32] <tdn> And I guess that may cause problems now that I change the UID/GID for these.
2018 [14:12:50] <themill> the video group was added in 1999
2019 [14:13:18] <tdn> jrtc27, ok, but that is useful info then. So I guess I just change those gruops to 29 and 44. But can I count on that numeric ID being static across all future debian installations. No matter what order various packages are installed in?
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2022 [14:13:48] <themill> tdn: for users and groups that are part of base-passwd, yes
2023 [14:13:58] <tdn> themill, ok
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2025 [14:14:01] <jrtc27> (which is anything below 100)
2026 [14:14:14] <tdn> I think this might be something to put in the release notes or update instructions.
2027 [14:15:36] <themill> document that things haven't changed?
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2029 [14:16:22] <tdn> themill, no. Document when new users are added to that range so that sysadmins can go through the newly added users/groups and check if they have a group/user already with that name.
2030 [14:16:35] <tdn> The issue is that adding new users to that range may cause naming collisions
2031 [14:16:37] <themill> that is documented
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2033 [14:16:57] <themill> and adduser will never add things to that range without you forcing it
2034 [14:17:05] <tdn> themill, ok, then I must have missed it. Where do I find this in the release notes?
2035 [14:17:16] <tdn> themill, no, no, that is not the problem.
2036 [14:17:56] <tdn> themill, the problem is not uid/gid collisions. It is naming collisions. Say, I have a group named video with gid 1007 and a bunch of files owned by that group.
2037 [14:18:13] <tdn> And at this point there is no group named 'video' in 0-99 range.
2038 [14:18:30] <themill> When new users are added, this is documented
2039 [14:18:35] <themill> (and groups)
2040 [14:18:38] <tdn> Then at some point a group named 'video' is added to this range and maintained by base-passwd. This is then given the static id 44.
2041 [14:19:29] <jelly> tdn: interesting, the group "video" has existed in default /etc/group since at least debian 5
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2044 [14:19:41] <themill> jelly: 1999
2045 [14:19:49] <jelly> wfm
2046 [14:19:52] <tdn> jelly, my file server may very well predate that...
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2048 [14:19:59] <tdn> Or at least the file system of that server.
2049 [14:20:09] <tdn> The hardware has been changed a couple of times :)
2050 [14:20:30] <jelly> tdn: changing the name of your custom group is probably the easiest thing to do
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2055 [14:20:54] <jelly> fighting the passwd package on every release upgrade is a PITA
2056 [14:21:05] <tdn> jelly, yeah, or maybe just start using the real 'video' group, right?
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2058 [14:21:26] <tdn> jelly, yeah, I do NOT want to fight any of the base packages :)
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2061 [14:22:22] <tdn> I must have missed the section about changes to users in base-passwd when upgrading. :/
2062 [14:22:26] <jelly> tdn: I wouldn't use the real video group, the idea used to be it would give access to specific entries in /dev
2063 [14:22:55] <jelly> crw-rw---- 1 root video 29, 0 Jan 10 16:48 /dev/fb0
2064 [14:22:57] <tdn> jelly, ok. I'll rename mine then. :)
2065 [14:23:18] <themill> tdn: when upgrading 16 years ago?
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2067 [14:23:32] <themill> this isn't going to be in the jessie release notes
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2069 [14:23:51] <themill> it might be in the potato release notes but I CBF looking
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2074 [14:25:14] <jelly> probably more amusing than libc5 leftovers I found during wheezy->jessie in 2015 or so
2075 [14:25:25] <themill> :)
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2079 [14:27:02] <tdn> themill, apperently :)
2080 [14:27:43] <themill> anyway, you're not likely to hit this again as adding new users and groups just doesn't happen any more. I think the last addition to base-passwd was a decade ago
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2082 [14:29:21] <tdn> themill, ok
2083 [14:29:38] <tdn> Where can I find a list of uid/gid and names defined in base-passwd?
2084 [14:30:01] <tdn> Oh. I can just look in passwd and group files, I guess :)
2085 [14:31:02] <jelly> also, debian-policy
2086 [14:31:07] <themill> /usr/share/base-passwd/*.master
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2118 [14:44:03] <__0> howdoyoudo, folks!
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2121 [14:44:16] <tomcres> hello
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2123 [14:45:09] <__0> want improve debian by reporting a bug, how to make this?
2124 [14:45:33] <babilen> dpkg: tell __0 about reportbug
2125 [14:46:18] <__0> babien "msg bots NOT people", am i a bot?
2126 [14:46:40] <babilen> I have insufficient data to answer that question yet
2127 [14:46:59] <babilen> The fact that you misspelled my nickname indicates that you are not a bot however :)
2128 [14:47:05] <jelly> I had a very similar conversation with __0 yesterday
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2132 [14:47:55] <jelly> babilen: they're just incoherent as all hell, in any language (managed to persuade them to try #d-russian)
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2152 [14:55:54] <xmj> hola
2153 [14:56:06] <xmj> newbie question: is there a package for reposync (!) available on debian ?
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2156 [14:56:53] <themill> xmj: what are you trying to achieve?
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2158 [14:57:17] <babilen> xmj: As in yum?
2159 [14:57:17] <TomTomTo1> ,i yum-utils
2160 [14:57:18] <judd> Package yum-utils (admin, extra) in jessie/amd64: Utilities based around the yum package manager. Version: 1.1.31-2; Size: 117.6k; Installed: 426k; Homepage: replaced-url
2161 [14:57:34] <TomTomTo1> .. has the binary reposync
2162 [14:57:44] <xmj> oh, sweet
2163 [14:57:56] <xmj> themill: conquer the world
2164 [14:58:07] <babilen> I doubt that yum will help with that
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2166 [14:58:24] <themill> as a better question and you'll get a better answer
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2178 [15:01:08] <xmj> TomTomTo1: thanks
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2184 [15:03:08] <__0> sorry for induced disconnect, what about bots and people?
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2187 [15:03:49] <babilen> __0: What about it?
2188 [15:03:59] <__0> !dpkg tell report bug
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2190 [15:04:05] <TomTomTo1> the bots can send instructions to people to not clutter the channel.
2191 [15:04:05] <littlebit> hi people I have recently updated owncloud and I have an issue now with owncloud. checking my logs of php5-fpm.log: replaced-url
2192 [15:04:14] <neglesaks> ? is it normal that the update logs or descriptions of package updates in the usual package updater abb for current Debian does NOT show?
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2198 [15:07:52] <__0> !reportbug
2199 [15:07:52] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
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2204 [15:10:30] <Vizva> whats a good website reaper?
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2206 [15:11:07] <redrabbit> hi, do you guys know an addon for chromium to avoid downloading all scripts images and bloat stuff when you visit sites on old pc/3G connectin
2207 [15:11:11] <GPenguin> Vizva: wget, curl
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2210 [15:12:28] <redrabbit> also, has a strange issue with ssh keys login. i have generated a key and ssh-id-copy'd it, its on the remote pc, i checked. somehow still asks for pw
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2212 [15:13:02] <redrabbit> its the 100 time i do this, 1st time i get an error. must have failed something
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2218 [15:14:32] <frostschutz> redrabbit, ssh is very very picky about permissions. check `ls -ld / /home /home/user /home/user/.ssh /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys` that nothing has wrong permissions. also of course the file content has to be correct, some people copy multi-line putty keys in there
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2221 [15:14:59] <redrabbit> allright
2222 [15:15:07] <redrabbit> probabably a permission issue
2223 [15:15:19] <redrabbit> i figured since i did ssh-keygen and id-copy
2224 [15:15:25] <redrabbit> that was taken care of
2225 [15:15:30] <frostschutz> or just check the logs for error messages
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2264 [15:37:13] <dbest> hello
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2270 [15:39:13] <redrabbit> frostschutz: replaced-url
2271 [15:39:23] <redrabbit> files inside .ssh are all 600
2272 [15:39:29] <redrabbit> and the folder itself is 700
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2274 [15:39:36] <redrabbit> so the permissions are good
2275 [15:39:44] <redrabbit> (on both machines)
2276 [15:40:26] <GPenguin> and when you set the server and client to be verbose with their error messages?
2277 [15:40:41] <redrabbit> i did ssh -v -i file user@hos
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2279 [15:41:00] <redrabbit> the result is in the dpaste
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2281 [15:41:35] <frostschutz> redrabbit, the homedir itself too?
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2283 [15:41:57] <jer0me> hmmm, my user has umask set to 077 which is great but a bit inconvenient when using sudo without -i (root inherits the umask and creates not readable conteth for my user). Is there somekind how workaround? I can't seem to find any.
2284 [15:42:09] <jer0me> s/how/of
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2286 [15:42:50] <redrabbit> frostschutz: the user homedir is drwxr-xr-x
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2294 [15:44:43] <frostschutz> redrabbit, debug it on the server side too, see if sshd has aught to complain about
2295 [15:44:54] <redrabbit> ok
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2297 [15:45:18] <jer0me> hmm, umask_override
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2301 [15:47:17] <frostschutz> redrabbit, you could also try renaming .ssh to .ssh-nopetynope then ssh-copy-id again, if it works then find the difference. can't think of anything else, sorry. does it work for other users? did you change things in sshd config?
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2333 [16:01:46] <mandeep> when changing the mouse speed in mouse and touchpad settings, which application is being called? i'd like to set the mouse acceleration to a faster setting than the gui allows
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2335 [16:02:16] <redrabbit> frostschutz: i'm missing something too, i dont get where the issue is from and its not like its the 1st time i troubleshoot this
2336 [16:02:26] <redrabbit> i'm gonna try your idea
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2341 [16:05:32] <Vizva> <GPenguin>
2342 [16:05:56] <redrabbit> frostschutz: well your trick worked
2343 [16:06:06] <redrabbit> probably some known_hosts issue
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2345 [16:06:08] <redrabbit> maybe
2346 [16:06:12] <redrabbit> i'm gonna toss the old .ssh
2347 [16:06:24] <Vizva> thx but i need something easy to configure
2348 [16:06:37] <redrabbit> thank you for the help
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2351 [16:07:08] <Vizva> maybe it is
2352 [16:07:11] <Vizva> i check it
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2361 [16:08:48] <athena> !skylake
2362 [16:08:48] <dpkg> an <intel-gfx> chipset requiring firmware. For jessie support, enable <backports> and <non-free sources>, then install <bpo kernel>, xserver-xorg-video-intel and firmware-misc-nonfree from jessie-backports.
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2373 [16:12:57] <redrabbit> Vizva: replaced-url
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2375 [16:13:09] <redrabbit> this one is cookie cutter easy
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2383 [16:16:44] <Vizva> redrabitt yes i see it on debian i check it thx
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2385 [16:16:52] <redrabbit> Vizva: apt-get install webhttrack will do to install it
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2392 [16:17:40] <drzs> hi
2393 [16:17:48] <tomcres> hi
2394 [16:18:05] <redrabbit> hi
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2398 [16:18:30] <drzs> how r u all
2399 [16:18:38] <redrabbit> cool
2400 [16:18:52] <athena> hello
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2402 [16:19:04] <redrabbit> just changed all my local ips to a more uncommon subnet
2403 [16:19:08] <athena> can someone tell me if i'm doing something wrong?
2404 [16:19:10] <athena> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
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2409 [16:19:35] <redrabbit> instead of 192.168.0.0/24 i go for something like 192.168.132.0/24
2410 [16:19:35] <athena> home/athena# aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-4.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
2411 [16:19:35] <athena> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
2412 [16:19:41] <athena> ?
2413 [16:19:45] <drzs> why
2414 [16:19:50] <drzs> @rabbit
2415 [16:19:59] <redrabbit> should help me for complex routing situations
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2417 [16:20:22] <drzs> ah i see, networks are not my thing. I code
2418 [16:20:31] <redrabbit> theres lots of networks that use 192.168.0.0/24 or 192.168.1.0/24
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2422 [16:21:02] <redrabbit> so if you want to connect to that network while you're still connected to your main networks
2423 [16:21:19] <redrabbit> better off having different ranges for each network
2424 [16:21:27] <redrabbit> i have to do that on my vpn's as well
2425 [16:21:33] <redrabbit> change the defaults
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2427 [16:22:07] <drzs> ok ok
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2439 [16:25:52] <dbest> what are the security channels?
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2441 [16:26:06] <redrabbit> ##security
2442 [16:26:11] * bezaban shudders
2443 [16:26:11] <GPenguin> there are no good ones that are public the same time
2444 [16:26:11] <xelly> dbest: security channels for what?
2445 [16:26:18] <xelly> !goal
2446 [16:26:18] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
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2449 [16:26:34] <jhutchins> 192.168.0 and 192.168.1 are the most common default subnets pre-configured on routers.
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2451 [16:26:57] <redrabbit> indeed
2452 [16:27:05] <redrabbit> makes sense to use something else
2453 [16:27:25] <redrabbit> bit of a pita to renew / update every config
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2455 [16:27:35] <redrabbit> mac reservations ect
2456 [16:27:43] <redrabbit> but its worth it to organize
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2462 [16:28:25] <redrabbit> now i know for sure 192.168.188.222 is my router
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2464 [16:28:49] <redrabbit> and not another machine on another network
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2482 [16:36:16] <Vizva> rerabbits its not so easy because on archive.org :P
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2485 [16:36:22] <Vizva> redrabbit
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2508 [16:45:32] <redrabbit> ok
2509 [16:45:35] <redrabbit> gl
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2539 [16:55:05] <jornstian> "E: Package 'mediawiki' has no installation candidate" shouldn't default deb8 have mediawiki available? as far as I can tell this says so... replaced-url
2540 [16:55:39] <TomTomTo1> ,v mediawiki
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2542 [16:55:40] <judd> Package: mediawiki on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.19.20+dfsg-0+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1:1.19.20+dfsg-0+deb7u3; jessie-backports: 1:1.27.1-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:1.27.1-2; sid: 1:1.27.1-3; stretch: 1:1.27.1-3
2543 [16:55:48] <jornstian> ..or would I have to enable the backports?
2544 [16:55:48] <TomTomTo1> only in jessie-backports
2545 [16:55:53] <jornstian> kk
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2547 [16:56:56] <jornstian> thnx
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2594 [17:13:52] <no_gravity> What's a good way to create high load avg with on board tools?
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2600 [17:16:18] <han-solo> goNuts(){ goNuts|goNuts & };goNuts? :} (kiddin')
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2604 [17:17:34] <frostschutz> han-solo, not funny
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2606 [17:17:45] <han-solo> sorry
2607 [17:17:46] <han-solo> :}
2608 [17:17:47] <KnightsWhoSayNi> i giggled
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2617 [17:19:18] <Toordog> what debian community use to do authentication with Active Directory?
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2619 [17:19:45] <GPenguin> google is in that case not of use. what a bummer
2620 [17:20:00] <GPenguin> i am tembed to run goNuts :)
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2622 [17:20:28] <GPenguin> tempted too
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2638 [17:27:01] <Stadtpirat> Hey guys, I have the a backport repo in my apt sources. I think I don't need it anymore, but I am not sure. Can I somehow list if there are any packages that are installed from a particular repository?
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2644 [17:28:24] <han-solo> check policy
2645 [17:28:54] <Stadtpirat> ?
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2657 [17:30:23] <jhutchins> Stadtpirat: dpkg -l | grep bpo
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2661 [17:31:03] <jhutchins> Toordog: Debian pretty much has the same tools available in any Linux distro. sssd seems to be the most developed method.
2662 [17:32:11] <Stadtpirat> jhutchins, that worked, thanks. certbot comes from backports. i remember now :)
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2664 [17:32:55] <Toordog> jhutchins i couldn't agree with you on this. sssd is based on the FreeIPA developed by redhat and the only maintainer to port the packages to debian is timo jaalton and because of some Debian library decision, we are stuck with a very old version of it under debian. One that has the HA bug, where sssd won't throttle the other host defined in the config file.
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2666 [17:33:50] <Toordog> I would say that Debian lag behind when it comes of managing large scale infrastructure.
2667 [17:33:55] <Toordog> but i might be wrong
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2670 [17:35:02] <beatsteak> Are there any efforts to improve the Debian wiki? Is there a working group for that? I'd like to participate and help out
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2676 [17:40:07] <abrotman> I assume you've seen replaced-url
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2680 [17:41:04] <beatsteak> abrotman, that approach is not working well. Whenever I read an article it says "fuckulol"
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2682 [17:41:17] <abrotman> eh?
2683 [17:41:31] <beatsteak> The documentation is not good
2684 [17:41:41] <grawity> including the documentation on the wiki itself?
2685 [17:41:53] <abrotman> oh, well, it's a wiki, you can sign up for an account and help make it better
2686 [17:42:06] <xelly> can you?
2687 [17:42:16] <beatsteak> Someone should be responsible for the content
2688 [17:42:27] <xelly> beatsteak: that's not how wikis work
2689 [17:42:57] <beatsteak> xelly, tell me more about how wikis work
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2692 [17:44:20] <GPenguin> i am curious aswell
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2694 [17:44:31] <Toordog> what tools debian community use to manage large scale infrastructure inventory?
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2696 [17:44:52] <xelly> abrotman: trying to resend the activation link results in http error 500
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2703 [17:45:39] <xelly> beatsteak: replaced-url
2704 [17:46:11] <GPenguin> thats a long read
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2718 [17:49:11] <beatsteak> xelly, I think that anarchic approach works for tiny projects - it does not for big projects. If Debian strives to have reliable and good documentation, Debian ought to do something about it. Think of Wikipedia
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2721 [17:50:10] <beatsteak> peer based production is fine, but it needs some form of management, too
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2727 [17:54:35] <GPenguin> beatsteak: the group of active wiki writers might be small. and it has always been like that. and i think that has to do with the philosophy to read the manual and the code not a wiki
2728 [17:54:39] <xelly> beatsteak: noone loves doing management. If you want to help documenting, why not just start doing do, in the areas you've got expert knowledge of
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2733 [17:56:08] <beatsteak> xelly, see my initial question
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2738 [17:56:35] <xelly> I have
2739 [17:56:46] <centrx> Also note there are typically other docs online for the same questions -- some specific to Debian or Ubuntu
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2741 [17:57:02] <centrx> The value add of perfecting the Debian docs is not as great
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2743 [17:57:14] <beatsteak> xelly, documentation must be organised.
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2745 [17:58:06] <GPenguin> some individuals do that. for example, they wrote a book
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2751 [17:59:43] <GPenguin> beatsteak: how would you motivate the majority of debian contributors to work on the wiki?
2752 [17:59:56] <beatsteak> force them at gunpoint
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2754 [18:00:24] <xelly> beatsteak: it won't organise on its own
2755 [18:00:37] <xelly> you feel something is missing, start doing it
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2758 [18:00:57] <beatsteak> xelly, I came here to find out if any form of organisation already exists. I'll have a look at it
2759 [18:00:58] <jer0me> I don't know how the arch guys do it.
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2761 [18:01:30] <xelly> beatsteak: if you have examples of your own work, show it, dunno, maybe in #debian-replaced-url
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2764 [18:01:34] <jer0me> I guess it comes with all the hacks required
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2767 [18:01:48] <beatsteak> xelly, thanks
2768 [18:01:56] <xelly> beatsteak: oftc is the main debian irc network, this channel is basically a leftover
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2771 [18:02:42] <grawity> still twice as large as the one on oftc
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2779 [18:04:50] <xelly> a festering leftover, then
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2784 [18:05:40] <xelly> beatsteak: wiki.debian.org is also virtual package bugs can be filed on (and fixed)
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2862 [18:44:00] <ctcx> After testing and experimenting, I turned my mind into #$%% mess. I'm having trouble with group stuff.
2863 [18:44:49] <ctcx> 1) How can one change user's primary group? 2) How can one dis-append supplementary group from user? 3) How can one *delete* a unix group?
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2867 [18:45:49] <sh00p> ctcx, check out /etc/group
2868 [18:45:55] <xelly> ctcx: 1) use usermod 2) likewise 3) groupdel
2869 [18:46:04] <sh00p> or that
2870 [18:46:06] <tomcres> 1) vipw 2) vigr 3) groupdel
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2875 [18:47:12] <sh00p> personally i prefer to edit the files manually... i accidentally removed all groups i belonged to using usermod once
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2877 [18:47:17] <newuser> Hi, how can I play .wav files from CD?
2878 [18:47:22] <newuser> What do I have to install?
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2880 [18:47:37] <newuser> I searched, but couldn't find anything useful.
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2882 [18:47:49] <xelly> newuser: audio cd?
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2885 [18:47:56] <tomcres> cdtool
2886 [18:48:05] <tomcres> ,i cdtool
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2888 [18:48:06] <judd> Package cdtool (sound, optional) in jessie/amd64: text-based audio CD player and CD-ROM control commands. Version: 2.1.8-release-2; Size: 70.9k; Installed: 172k
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2890 [18:48:39] <newuser> Yes, audio CD.
2891 [18:49:12] <newuser> But with some graphical music player, I'm setting up an old laptop for my neighbor.
2892 [18:49:23] <newuser> They aren't technical at all.
2893 [18:49:35] <tomcres> what desktop are you using?
2894 [18:49:40] <sh00p> perhaps vlc player can play audio cd's
2895 [18:50:13] <newuser> Openbox
2896 [18:50:22] <newuser> VLC opens the file, but no sound.
2897 [18:50:26] <tomcres> perhaps goobox
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2899 [18:50:38] <tomcres> ,i goobox
2900 [18:50:39] <judd> Package goobox (gnome, optional) in jessie/amd64: CD player and ripper with GNOME 3 integration. Version: 3.3.1-6; Size: 287.3k; Installed: 987k; Homepage: replaced-url
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2903 [18:50:58] <n4dir> probably it's better to rip the cd and play the files then (be the format be wav or whatever you want)
2904 [18:51:21] <newuser> I copied a file to Documents and it's the same.
2905 [18:51:30] <n4dir> i recall i wanted to do it back then, but it didn't work well (and i was told to better first rip, then play)
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2907 [18:51:34] <ctcx> "vipw", "vigr"? What?
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2909 [18:52:02] <tomcres> vipw and vigr edit /etc/passwd and /etc/group respectively
2910 [18:52:11] <newuser> Ok, thanks. I hope I will figure it out.
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2912 [18:52:30] <n4dir> newuser: wav files sure enough play here, with moc, but i would not know which plugins are needed to play them (plugins as i miss a better term)
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2917 [18:54:06] <ctcx> xelly: I have used usermod before, just don't know how would I use it to just "dis-append" one or 2 groups without setting all groups from 0
2918 [18:54:14] <supi> halo
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2921 [18:54:55] <xelly> ctcx: those are low end tools to edit files containing user and group membership info, safely. Be careful, you can easily break your system with them
2922 [18:55:07] <supi> mir.geht.gut
2923 [18:55:10] <xelly> (Re: vipw, vigr)
2924 [18:55:14] <tomcres> hallo supi
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2927 [18:55:51] <supi> halo.tomcres
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2930 [18:57:08] <xelly> ctcx: or right, that's a pain. Debian has "adduser" and "deluser" wrappers that have simple syntax to just add a user to a group "adduser username groupname" and remove "deluser username groupname"
2931 [18:57:36] <Toordog> the channel on oftc is dead, nobody talking
2932 [18:57:43] <xelly> Toordog: be patient.
2933 [18:58:23] <xelly> Toordog: if noone answers, try again later or ask on the debian-user or maybe debian-enterprise mailing lists
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2935 [18:58:48] <xelly> dunno if the latter is still alive
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2941 [19:00:47] <ctcx> xelly: sorry, could not understand the answer (if that was really an answer...)
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2944 [19:01:22] <xelly> ctcx: man deluser
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2946 [19:01:54] <xelly> ctcx: last line in SYNOPSIS
2947 [19:02:25] <han-solo> upgrade from j to x :}
2948 [19:02:45] <sumalee_> halo
2949 [19:02:54] <xelly> oh right
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2953 [19:03:45] <sumalee_> mir.geht.gut
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2955 [19:03:50] <jelly> sumalee_: are you a bot?
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2957 [19:04:27] <han-solo> that wasn't an upgrade? :}
2958 [19:04:55] <jelly> a sidegrade at best
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2961 [19:05:15] <han-solo> hmm
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2987 [19:13:34] <ctcx> Say, user1 has primary group "grp0" and supplementary "grp1" "grp2" "grp3". Isn't there a way to only remove grp3 from user1 by using usermod?
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2989 [19:14:34] <tomcres> ctcx you could also just do `gpasswd -d user1 grp3`
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3017 [19:26:44] <mishehu> greets folks. I'm trying to set up pacemaker (1.1.15 which *might* be from backports) on jessie. corosync seems to launch, but `sudo systemctl start pacemaker` or `sudo systemctl start corosync` will hang. I'm using a config for corosync from our old centos machines running pacemaker 1.1.12, and no errors occur though corosync stops & it reports service failed. Nothing in logs. I do see that this
3018 [19:26:50] <mishehu> always launches though: `/bin/systemd-tty-ask-password-agent --watch`. can anybody advise?
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3138 [20:40:51] <twobitsprite> !pign
3139 [20:40:53] <twobitsprite> !ping
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3148 [20:44:47] <zram> is there a way to turn off COW in debian based distros?
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3152 [20:47:22] <jhutchins> zram: COW?
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3154 [20:47:54] <zram> jhutchins yea - the fs thing that uses up 1/2 the ram in live mode
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3156 [20:48:06] <zram> jhutchins I think it is the dirty cow thing
3157 [20:48:07] <jhutchins> mishehu: I would hazard a guess that you have some sort of password "wallet" on the Centos box that isn't present on Debian.
3158 [20:50:41] <greycat> That would be a kernel question, right? Set some sysctl thing?
3159 [20:50:42] <jhutchins> zram: Dirty Cow shouldn't be a problem with a current kernel on ANY distribution. replaced-url
3160 [20:51:24] <zram> jhutchins - Do all latest live cd's have this kernel? if not, how can I install it on the live cd?
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3162 [20:52:28] <greycat> sounds like you want to talk to OFTC's #debian-live
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3165 [20:53:14] <jhutchins> I believe there have been a couple of point releases since that was fixed, 8.6 live should be fine.
3166 [20:53:19] <zram> greycat me?
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3168 [20:53:31] <zram> okay thanks jhutchins!
3169 [20:53:39] <jhutchins> zram: Besides which, it requires a local exploit, so unless you're hacking yourself...
3170 [20:54:07] <zram> jhutchins - no that i not why, its becuase the OLD cow eats up 1/2 my ram in live mode
3171 [20:54:32] <jhutchins> zram: No, it doesn't. Read the articles.
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3174 [20:55:23] <greycat> I don't think he is asking about a specific security bug with COW in the name.
3175 [20:55:30] <zram> I think it is the cow, another user in another irc helped figure it out... the cow was the culprit...
3176 [20:55:32] <greycat> I think he's asking how to disable a Linux feature.
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3179 [20:55:58] <greycat> I think he may also be extremely confused.
3180 [20:56:08] <jhutchins> zram: Don't buy any bridges or development land from the guy who told you that.
3181 [20:56:11] <greycat> !free ram
3182 [20:56:12] <dpkg> Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
3183 [20:56:23] <zram> well in all the debian based live distro I noticed I couldnt use all the ram space I SHOULD have had available. another user helped me figure out that the ram was being used by the cow fs thing
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3186 [20:56:38] <greycat> I think you are talking about cache.
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3189 [20:57:51] <jhutchins> zram: The live CDs do not use COW filesystems, those are exotic and experimental.
3190 [20:58:03] <zram> greycat: replaced-url
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3192 [20:58:06] <jhutchins> zram: Whoever told you that is either extremely wrong or playing you.
3193 [20:58:26] <zram> jhutchins... I dont think they were playing with me - they spent a lot of time trying to help figure it out
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3197 [20:59:22] <zram> dpkg I read the 'linux ate my ram thing
3198 [20:59:22] <dpkg> zram: I wish you would RTFM.
3199 [20:59:29] <zram> what is RTFM?
3200 [21:00:00] <zram> and when we did the free -h thing, it said I SHOULD have 6gb avilable for use
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3202 [21:00:02] <greycat> zram: so, what is the problem you are trying to solve? I see 8 GB of RAM in that pastebin. Does your system have more than 8 GB?
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3204 [21:00:10] <teraflops> read the fine manual
3205 [21:00:15] <jhutchins> zram: Start with the two links I posted above, then google "cow fs".
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3209 [21:01:44] <zram> greycat, no that is right, and in the buffer/cache it says 6gb free or something, but then the other guy told me to create a file taht is 4gb (becuase I complain taht even though it SAYS that, if I try to download a file that is say 5gb, it WONT let me, saying i run out of room) and so we created tht 4gb file. adn then the live cd said: 0 bytes disk space etc, and it stopped acreating that file t some 3.7
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3214 [21:02:23] <greycat> You tried to download a 5 GB file into a tmpfs, or what? Where were you trying to put it? How did you download? With wget, curl, or a graphical web browser that uses /tmp?
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3217 [21:03:08] <jhutchins> zram: The ramdisk on a live CD doesn't use the full RAM available. It's part of the "used" portion you see there.
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3219 [21:03:20] <greycat> Oh, another "live" "feature". :-/
3220 [21:03:26] <greycat> Talk to #debian-live in OFTC.
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3223 [21:03:54] <zram> I dont know hwo to get to OFTC ... btw please know that i am a VERY average computer user - very new to linux
3224 [21:04:01] <jhutchins> zram: As greycat suggests, they can explain the specific details to you.
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3227 [21:04:12] <jhutchins> !oftc
3228 [21:04:12] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. replaced-url
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3232 [21:04:27] <tomcres> try typing /server irc.oftc.net
3233 [21:04:36] <jhutchins> Thanks tomcres
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3235 [21:05:14] <zram> got in = thank you!
3236 [21:05:33] <jhutchins> zram: Good luck. Don't worry, things are working the way they're supposed to.
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3243 [21:10:00] <zram> there is no one there...
3244 [21:10:11] <zram> 70 people, but no one is active
3245 [21:10:22] <jhutchins> zram: Be patient.
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3247 [21:10:26] <zram> okay
3248 [21:10:29] <greycat> The specialist channels may require more patience.
3249 [21:10:46] <zram> okay
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3251 [21:11:19] <jhutchins> The df -h command will show you how much space you have on the virtual "disk".
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3255 [21:12:15] <jhutchins> zram: Some things you could do would be to mount the physical disk(s) and save the file there, or create another RAM disk in the free space that had more room.
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3257 [21:12:42] <jhutchins> zram: You could also mount an external (usb) disk and save the download there.
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3260 [21:13:00] <zram> jhutchins - can I expand the ramdisk that is already created?
3261 [21:13:09] <jhutchins> zram: Not easily.
3262 [21:13:16] <zram> shrink it?
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3264 [21:13:38] <jhutchins> zram: Only by reconfiguring the live image, and I'm guessing that's a bit beyond your current skillset.
3265 [21:14:05] <zram> Yes
3266 [21:14:18] <zram> jhutchins - what im really trying to do is this:
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3273 [21:19:15] <jhutchins> zram: Obviously you don't have 5+G of available RAM for a second RAM disk, so that's only a theoretical option.
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3275 [21:20:05] <jhutchins> zram: A physical internal or external drive is going to be necessary.
3276 [21:21:21] <zram> jhutchins - i just want it to be able to use all the ram that the OS doesnt need - so I can use it for what I want. in arch I can use about 5gb or a bit more I think
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3278 [21:22:28] <tomcres> !goal
3279 [21:22:28] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
3280 [21:22:34] <jhutchins> zram: The live image creates a virtual disk in RAM, but leaves other memory free for programs to use.
3281 [21:22:55] <jhutchins> zram: If you're downloading a file, it has to stay withinh the size of that disk, which you can see with df -h.
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3283 [21:23:23] <jhutchins> zram: Nothing is keeping you from using the RAM, it's just limited by the size of the virtual disk.
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3286 [21:24:00] <jhutchins> zram: Arch just allocates more of the RAM to the virtual disk.
3287 [21:24:01] <zram> jhutchin - I know, but in debian, that virtual disk is 1/2 my total ram. I dont want it to sue so much, when it can run on less. When I have a 2gb system, it uses 1gb for virtual disk in ram - so it can run jst fine with 1gb used. but if I have 8gb, it uses almost 4gb for virtualdisk - and I dont want it to use that, so that I can use it
3288 [21:24:26] <zram> doesnt arch use less? taht is why I have more space?
3289 [21:25:08] <jhutchins> zram: Your arch image is configured to use MORE of the RAM for the virtual disk, that way you have more space availble on the disk, and less for program memory.
3290 [21:25:41] <jhutchins> zram: Again, free is not showing space where you could save files. df -h will show you that.
3291 [21:25:42] <n4dir> Why do you want to download a file of size 5 Gigs from a live CD at all? And then: why not to the hard disk or anther medium?
3292 [21:26:31] <jhutchins> n4dir: Probably because what he's trying to do is not an authorized use of the hardware.
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3296 [21:27:48] <jhutchins> n4dir: What kinds of files do you suppose are downloadable and >3GB?
3297 [21:28:02] <n4dir> hmm .... seems i lack the imagination.
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3299 [21:28:24] <n4dir> the only thing i came up with were distro-isos, but i guess i got it now.
3300 [21:28:53] <n4dir> tnx
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3303 [21:29:35] <n4dir> though i still think that your proposal to use a USB stick or such is a quick and easy solution
3304 [21:29:42] <zram> Actually no, im tryin gto use lethe
3305 [21:29:51] <zram> but lethe makes the distro run like a live
3306 [21:30:10] <zram> so whatever fixes this ram thing in the live, should fix it in the install
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3310 [21:31:06] <Xz> hi there, I'm looking to spec VPS for debian mysql + apache. Database will contain only couple of tables and apache will serve all that as JSON file. Will 1 core + 256MB RAM be enough?
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3312 [21:31:20] <Xz> I have no idea about mysql requirements for resources
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3314 [21:31:41] <jhutchins> zram: There really isn't anything to fix.
3315 [21:31:57] <zram> 'work'
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3322 [21:33:25] <jhutchins> zram: Do you understand the difference between disk storage and RAM?
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3324 [21:33:43] <n4dir> is gto with letze something i should know about?
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3326 [21:34:48] <jhutchins> Xz: How much traffic do you expect?
3327 [21:35:04] <zram> jhutchins - in live versin, the ram is like the disk space - is itnot? that is where I save files, download programs - and dependin on how mcuh ram I have, that is how much I can save, install program etc.
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3329 [21:35:26] <zram> i know i CAN use a disk stroage, but lets assume I want to use ram instead
3330 [21:35:38] <jhutchins> zram: You do not have enough.
3331 [21:35:57] <n4dir> the question is why you want to do that. for the interest of science?
3332 [21:36:10] <Xz> jhutchins: not much at all, I will have literally 1 phone fetching that JSON 2 times per second
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3334 [21:37:12] <zram> n4dir - no that is not the question at all... why a person wants to drink 8 galon of water in 1 sec is not he question. the question is - can it be done...???
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3336 [21:37:41] <n4dir> the question why bother others with such questions.
3337 [21:37:46] <greycat> No. But this has nothing to do with your actual question.
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3340 [21:38:23] <jhutchins> Xz: I suspect you would find the RAM a bit tight.
3341 [21:38:51] <jhutchins> Xz: I would start with 1G and watch actual usage to see if you can trim it back to 512.
3342 [21:39:12] <Xz> jhutchins: 1 core enough for database + apache?
3343 [21:39:14] <jhutchins> Xz: Modern Linux is not going to like 256 very well, even in console mode.
3344 [21:39:43] <jhutchins> Xz: Should be, but you can always add more.
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3346 [21:40:07] <Xz> jhutchins: ok, so highest spec would be 2 cores / 1 GB RAM
3347 [21:40:15] <Xz> jhutchins: with possibility of trimming down later on
3348 [21:40:31] <n4dir> I ran apache and mysql-apps on a raspberry, forgot the RAM size, sure less than 256. For my needs it was ok, but more sure is better (i guess)
3349 [21:40:31] <Xz> jhutchins: that makes sense?
3350 [21:40:34] <zram> n4dir - well i do have a reason. an average computer user doesn't really want to spend 4 hours trying to figure how to open ram space for the save of trying to understand how os'es work... :\
3351 [21:40:37] <jhutchins> Xz: I don't think I'd bother with the 2 cores.
3352 [21:40:46] <Xz> jhutchins: ok, will go with 1 then
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3356 [21:40:57] <Xz> jhutchins: I believe I want low latency at most
3357 [21:41:13] <Xz> jhutchins: so anytime phone fetches that JSON file I want it to be delivered quick
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3359 [21:41:20] <jhutchins> Xz: That'll be RAM, how much you can run thee DB out of RAM instead of disk.
3360 [21:41:44] <zram> Okay - well thank you all for you attemopt to help :) (And there is still no on in the live irc... )
3361 [21:41:56] <Xz> n4dir: did you have any significant latency on RPI?
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3363 [21:42:19] <n4dir> Ask at the mailing list. That will be fun (they sure are not as friendly as the folks here ... ). zram
3364 [21:42:25] <jhutchins> zram: I think there's a mailing list or forum available, for low-population topics that's a better source.
3365 [21:42:31] <Xz> jhutchins, n4dir I could set it up on RPI on my router too, but VPS will have so much better internet connection
3366 [21:42:46] <jhutchins> zram: There is also replaced-url
3367 [21:42:55] <n4dir> It's been ages i fooled with liveCD, but i don't think the debian LIve CD is very advanced (it came late to the debian project, etc)
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3369 [21:42:57] <Xz> jhutchins, n4dir that's why I'm looking into VPS option, at the same time don't want to pay too much per month
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3371 [21:43:35] <n4dir> Xz: shame on me, but i don't even know what latency is :-) My only point was a sidenote: it is possible with really low RAM. At least "possible"
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3373 [21:43:43] <jhutchins> Xz: You could ask the provider what they recommend, but I'd prototype it on a local VM first.
3374 [21:43:45] <zram> thankyou both for the references - but which mailing list? nad which forum are you referring to?
3375 [21:43:52] <jhutchins> !live
3376 [21:43:53] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
3377 [21:44:08] <n4dir> zram: debian-live has a mailing list. At least had.
3378 [21:44:12] <jhutchins> zram: Try those two URLs.
3379 [21:44:24] <n4dir> but be warned. tough guys
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3381 [21:44:44] <zram> ..I think Im getting used to that when askign for help in linux :\
3382 [21:45:06] <n4dir> try antix or refracta. I think they are much in live stuff
3383 [21:45:20] <n4dir> try ask there, not try the distros. both based on debian
3384 [21:45:41] <zram> n4dir - actually antix DID work well, but it was the only debian distro that didn;t install the program I needed
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3389 [21:46:26] <n4dir> why not stick to the arch live, if it does what you need or want?
3390 [21:46:33] <Xz> n4dir: latency is the time between you request data from SQL database and you actually get it
3391 [21:46:46] <zram> n4dir - again, it doesn't have that 1 program I really need
3392 [21:46:48] <Xz> n4dir: in other words it is 'responsivness' or how laggy is it
3393 [21:47:03] <n4dir> Xz: i think that was okay, but i use it in the LAN only. I was astonished that it worked at all
3394 [21:47:17] <Xz> jhutchins: I'm working with remote developer, so need to have live server
3395 [21:47:36] <Xz> n4dir: hah, alright
3396 [21:47:38] <jhutchins> Ah.
3397 [21:47:40] <Xz> n4dir: thanks for your insights!
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3399 [21:48:35] <n4dir> well: my guess is that jhutchins is right with 512 or 1024 at minimum. I really just gave a bit of info (and sure wouldn't say 180 of RAM is perfectly fine ... :-) )
3400 [21:48:52] <abracadaniel> Hey! Im doing a debian install on a desktop computer right now. It has 2 of the exact same disks, Windows is installed on one of them. How do i find out which one contains windows ? :)
3401 [21:49:03] <n4dir> can't you upgrade later? start with 512, if it doesn't suffice, upgrad to more? Xz
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3403 [21:49:38] <abracadaniel> ah nevermind, i figured it out .. :p
3404 [21:49:47] <Xz> n4dir: I think I can
3405 [21:49:54] <Xz> n4dir: never had VPS myself, but I don't think it's a problem
3406 [21:50:05] <jhutchins> abracadaniel: What's on the other disk?
3407 [21:50:10] <Xz> n4dir: just want to start off something that makes sense
3408 [21:50:10] <n4dir> abracadaniel: during debian installation, when it comes to partitioning, it should tell you the filesystem of the partitions it finds. NTFS or such is the windows installation. I wouldn't bet on it, i think like that
3409 [21:50:21] <Xz> n4dir: and want to be aware of potential bottlenecks
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3412 [21:50:54] <abracadaniel> n4dir, thank you! I had just selected guided, where it just showed me a selection of 2 disks. But if i choose manual i can see the actual partitions on the disks :)
3413 [21:50:55] <n4dir> to me 512 for a server don't sound bad, but i really got no clue.
3414 [21:50:59] <jhutchins> abracadaniel: Windows usually installs on the first device, which would be /dev/sda
3415 [21:51:09] <n4dir> ah, abracadaniel cool
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3417 [21:51:36] <zram> jhutchins - someone just gave me a link! but I dont know what it means - would you know? replaced-url
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3421 [21:52:06] <n4dir> i think debian and ubuntu do the live thing differently. iirc
3422 [21:52:07] <zram> but then it says that Note that this option has no currently no effect when booting toram .... I dont know what that means?
3423 [21:52:15] <zram> Oh okay...thanks n4dir
3424 [21:52:27] <n4dir> zram: i said i "think". just chat here
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3426 [21:52:37] <zram> Oh okay...
3427 [21:52:50] <n4dir> i would really ask in antix or refracta forum, at least in addition
3428 [21:52:55] <jhutchins> zram: ubuntu live != Debian live, as you already know from whatever the other live one was.
3429 [21:53:02] <zram> Well I can use ubuntu if it will do the job
3430 [21:53:25] <n4dir> probably the better choice, imho
3431 [21:53:29] <dm_comp> anyone on debian testing and have flash working ( replaced-url
3432 [21:54:03] <jhutchins> zram: As you will learn if you go to the pendrive linx site and read up on various live images, some load everything they can to RAM, some run off of the image.
3433 [21:54:29] <bluenemo> hi guys. I have an application writing a binary logfile. The logfile is getting rather big and I'd like to udp stream it while it is being written. The idea is that everything appended to the output file "/file" "arrives" at another box via network. any ideas?
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3436 [21:54:44] <jhutchins> dm_comp: Might ask in #debian-next on oftc.net
3437 [21:55:00] <dm_comp> I did
3438 [21:55:02] <jhutchins> dm_comp: It would be better to ask about your actual problem than taking a survey.
3439 [21:55:11] <zram> jhutchins - got it ;)
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3446 [21:57:11] <dm_comp> jhutchins: if you look at my pastbin line 18 it fails on wget just wondering if Bart Martens still maintains it.
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3448 [21:57:50] <TomTomTo1> dm_comp: it has already been reported, no answer yet.
3449 [21:57:53] <TomTomTo1> #851066
3450 [21:57:54] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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3452 [21:58:03] <zram> n4dir refractra seeems very much like MX
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3454 [21:58:56] <dm_comp> TomTomTo1 judd thanks!
3455 [22:00:01] <n4dir> they are at fooling with live CD's since debian-live came to existence. added an installer and a snapshot to remix on live CD's. Long story short: they might have an idea, zram
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3460 [22:00:57] <thanatos-inc_> zram: not surprising, being that a few people from both camps hung out at the same forums. might be that refracta and mx share similar ideas.
3461 [22:01:28] <zram> oh okay
3462 [22:01:56] <n4dir> they sure know each other from forums.debian, and also hang out in each others forum. as far i can tell.
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3464 [22:02:14] <n4dir> that is: steal ideas from each other :-)
3465 [22:02:43] <TomTomTo1> dm_comp: meanwhile you could have a look at browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash not sure how well that works on ff.
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3469 [22:04:30] <dm_comp> TomTomTo1 : I think I will install chrome, I believe flash player is prebuilt
3470 [22:04:47] <TomTomTo1> dm_comp: yep ^^
3471 [22:05:14] <n4dir> after i exit a chroot i can't umount /media/debian_chroot/dev . Is there a solution?
3472 [22:05:45] <JPT> Don't use --rbind to mount it
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3474 [22:06:41] <thanatos-inc_> n4dir: can't blame them from borrowing from each other. the distros are both really nice. :)
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3477 [22:07:32] <n4dir> JPT: thanks. there was shm and pts mounted in path-to/dev/ Umounting them first worked.
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3479 [22:08:17] <JPT> I find it easier to use mount -o bind /dev /chroot/dev. It works for all of my use cases and is easy to unmount without consequences
3480 [22:08:49] <n4dir> k, JPT thanks
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3505 [22:20:09] <x0n> hi
3506 [22:20:10] <x0n> :)
3507 [22:20:24] <tomcres> hello
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3528 [22:28:09] <derdui> !de
3529 [22:28:09] <dpkg> Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
3530 [22:29:32] <JPT> hi :)
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3536 [22:32:36] <zuiss1> anyone know if i can use a newer version of bitlbee in debian stable or am i stuck with version 3.2.2 from 2014
3537 [22:33:01] <tomcres> ,v bitlbee
3538 [22:33:02] <judd> Package: bitlbee on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.0.5-1.2; jessie: 3.2.2-2+b1; stretch: 3.4.2-1.1; sid: 3.4.2-1.1
3539 [22:33:11] <tomcres> doesn't look like it
3540 [22:33:21] <tomcres> not in backports
3541 [22:33:31] <zuiss1> that sucks 3.2.2 is so old
3542 [22:33:36] <zuiss1> :(
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3545 [22:34:40] <greycat> You can compile it yourself.
3546 [22:34:47] <greycat> Assuming it's written in a compiled language.
3547 [22:34:51] <zuiss1> is this safe?
3548 [22:34:52] <zuiss1> replaced-url
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3550 [22:36:21] <TomTomTo1> upstream provides nightly builds for debian jessie.
3551 [22:36:26] <tomcres> probably
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3557 [22:37:54] <zuiss1> ok i'll add that repo then thanks
3558 [22:38:02] <zuiss1> i am suspicious of stuff like that usually and try to avoid it
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3562 [22:38:26] <TomTomTo1> you can also try to build 3.4.2 from unstable.
3563 [22:38:33] <TomTomTo1> ,checkbackport bitlbee
3564 [22:38:34] <judd> Backporting package bitlbee in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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3566 [22:38:42] <TomTomTo1> !tell zuiss1 about ssb
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3572 [22:39:42] <zuiss1> 3.5 was just released though
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3577 [22:40:05] <zuiss1> maybe it will get in sid and i'll do the ssb thing though
3578 [22:40:09] <TomTomTo1> those are your options. pick what you like.
3579 [22:40:09] <greycat> A repository of debs that is actually maintained *by* the upstream authors is pretty trustworthy.
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3581 [22:40:41] <zuiss1> c
3582 [22:41:47] <tomcres> It's Friday the 13th…what's the worst that could happen? ;-)
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3584 [22:42:40] <JPT> You could win the lottery
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3589 [22:45:29] <pharatomic> hello all. Could you help me to see the actual printing preview of an a4 file? If i open an a4 file in evince and set 100% scale the page is a smaller size than an actual a4, so is with the print preview.
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3591 [22:46:06] <pharatomic> that happens with pdfs
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3598 [22:53:46] <jhutchins> pharatomic: So the page breaks don't match?
3599 [22:54:51] <pharatomic> jhutchins: everything matches, is just on a smaller scale evwn if at 100%
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3610 [22:59:39] <jhutchins> pharatomic: The complexity of managing the scale of a display from a matrix of pixels is pretty difficult. Only high-end publishing software can be calibrated 1:1, and usually that kind of accuracy isn't even considered.
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3614 [23:01:14] <pharatomic> i see, i thought it was as easy as "an a4 is x cm wide, let's set the page at that qidth in the preview"
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3616 [23:01:29] <pharatomic> width*
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3708 [23:51:12] <pingouin> is there a way to make ALSA reload everything without rebooting the computer ? Something with systemd ?
3709 [23:51:46] <deemel> on boot I get an error that a kernel module failed to load, however the text there is scrolling too fast - can I see that logged somewhere?
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3711 [23:52:09] <tomcres> you could probably modprobe -r your modules then modprobe them
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3713 [23:52:27] <missmbob> dmesg
3714 [23:52:27] <tomcres> deemel dmesg
3715 [23:52:40] <pingouin> deemel: maybe journalctl -b
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3718 [23:54:23] <deemel> first already helped, thanks
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