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2 [00:00:16] <jscoder> somiaj: news to me if they do
3 [00:00:23] <somiaj> jscoder: look in /var/log
4 [00:00:47] <somiaj> awal1: why do you need to reinstall the packages?
5 [00:00:52] <jscoder> hmm.. well if they do keep logs some oneliners could do it
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8 [00:01:00] <awal1> jscoder: purge and reinstall is a way, right, but B and C may be deps and recommends for other pkgs too, so it a bit of job
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10 [00:01:20] <jscoder> well I'll be dipped in shit.. they do keep logs
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13 [00:01:31] <awal1> somiaj: just trying to debug some sid bugs affecting a few pkg
14 [00:01:38] <jscoder> this must have happened within the last 3 years
15 [00:01:58] <somiaj> jscoder: they logs have been there a while, since jessie is at least three years old.
16 [00:02:28] <jscoder> somiaj: i've been "under a rock" for over 3 years
17 [00:02:31] <somiaj> but even longer than that. apt/aptiude sending logs isn't new
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20 [00:04:04] <somiaj> I see change logs mentiong /var/log/aptiude in 2003, and this was only fixing a bug with the log being missing
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26 [00:06:08] <jscoder> well I have this removable hdd setup with autologin and the user has some really long passwd I wrote on the drive.. after installing chromium it now pops up a dialog saying my login keyring was not unlocked. I've installed seahorse to try fix this but I can't figure out what the login keyring's password even is. I tried the current user passwd and the original one "temp" it was set to when I first created
27 [00:06:14] <jscoder> the account in chroot after debootstrap, no dice
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29 [00:06:58] <jscoder> surely there has to be some way to circumvent this keyring given I have access to both the user and root accounts
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31 [00:07:46] <jscoder> there can't really be anything in it anyhow so I'm fine with hosing it and starting over so I can set the passwd to something I know
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34 [00:09:30] <jscoder> hmm nm.. it just let me delete it
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38 [00:10:48] <jscoder> well thats surprising.. you can't access the keyring but you can just delete it.. hows that for security.. I may not be able to get your passwords but I can keep you from getting them.
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61 [00:17:58] <nezZario> ok a little confused here --- I'm trying to make some ad hoc installation scripts ... how can I noninteractively "see" the configuration, as in dpkg-reconfigure style configuration ?
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63 [00:18:29] <nezZario> good e.x. is sysstat ... I am trying to ensure it is turned on for all of our machines
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88 [00:27:16] <frodox> Hi all. I use apache2.2 and have only hostname in `%{Referer}i` (like replaced-url
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100 [00:32:18] <Gilfoyle-> So having a installation problem.
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102 [00:32:39] <Gilfoyle-> Was on debian jessie. But I apt-get distupgraded and apt-get upgraded to stretch.
103 [00:32:41] <Gilfoyle-> replaced-url
104 [00:32:51] <Gilfoyle-> Curious if anybody has any ideas?
105 [00:33:01] <missmbob> !debian-next
106 [00:33:01] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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124 [00:44:26] <sandro> hi all. i'm trying to setup encrypted 3-linux multiboot. grub config tricky to get right. any bright ideas where to look for an answer? (not giving up on the idea ...yet) thanks!
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129 [00:45:22] <debusb> dpkg hello
130 [00:45:22] <dpkg> niihau, debusb
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132 [00:45:59] <dvs> dpkg, shut up
133 [00:45:59] <dpkg> Kiss my shiny metal ass!
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135 [00:46:35] <debusb> dvs: I was trying to test nick highlight in this braindead client
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137 [00:46:46] <jasabella> debusb... cool
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139 [00:47:00] <debusb> its not working :-P
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147 [00:48:26] <debusb> no wait, it is working
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155 [00:50:14] <teraflops> !echo debusb
156 [00:50:14] <dpkg> debusb
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167 [00:55:18] <debusb> the highlight is working its just hard to tell with the retarded multicolor nicks
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169 [00:56:15] <Gilfoyle-> So question, why would I get errors of a package not going to be installed due to dependency errors if I have it's dependencies installed but of a newer version?
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174 [00:57:53] <notafile> anyone sucessfully cross-compile something to arm with cmake?
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180 [01:03:42] <teraflops> debusb: if you cannot fix that, what sucks is the client itself
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185 [01:05:42] <debusb> teraflops: oh I know its a terrible IRC client. can you suggest something better for idiots? I personally use irssi but I want to put something on here that is more straighforward and graphical. With pidgin I can save channels and give them aliases and such the only major issue is getting rid of the f'n rainbox nicks
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187 [01:06:44] <teraflops> debusb: nah irssi is better for sure
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189 [01:07:05] <debusb> it does intelligent join/part hiding based on how long since someone spoke, properly colors everything else.. its just those damn rainbow nicks that their devs keep saying is not an issue
190 [01:07:19] <teraflops> ah well pidgin is more than IRC
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192 [01:07:32] <debusb> hardcoded random rainbow nick colors is a huge f'n problem..
193 [01:08:03] <teraflops> debusb: I never in my life used pidgin, so no idea
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195 [01:08:15] <teraflops> irssi is fine, also weechat
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201 [01:09:57] <sandro> any experience on IRC clients running on iOS?
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204 [01:10:21] <debusb> hmm.. this is insane.. weechat says it supports scripting in like a billion different languages :-P
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207 [01:10:48] <debusb> usually an app just has one scripting language
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210 [01:11:28] <teraflops> debusb: hmm I bet all those features are achievable using weechat + a few scripts
211 [01:12:00] <debusb> probably, gonna try it and see..
212 [01:12:14] <teraflops> debusb: /script in weechat
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218 [01:15:38] <debusb> hmm. weechat isn't what I'm looking for, its curses based
219 [01:15:43] <Gilfoyle-> Hmm, anyway to downgrade entirely from stretch to jessie?
220 [01:15:53] <teraflops> debusb: yeah same as irssi
221 [01:16:14] <debusb> Gilfoyle-: yeah, format the drive, install jessie, restore your backup
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223 [01:16:21] <Gilfoyle-> Frick
224 [01:16:24] <Gilfoyle-> >_>
225 [01:16:39] <Gilfoyle-> Welp, not happening for a while then.
226 [01:16:49] <Gilfoyle-> Don't have a backup drive large enough for all the media on here.
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228 [01:17:05] <debusb> stretch will be released soon from what I understand.. last I checked it only had about 600 RC bugs
229 [01:17:23] <Gilfoyle-> The reason I ask is because I need to install several i386 libs for opengl
230 [01:17:45] <debusb> ah, they're not in stretch?
231 [01:18:04] <teraflops> Gilfoyle-: if the media were in it's own partition I bet I'd be painless
232 [01:18:12] <notafile> is the release time of debian completely arbitrary or is there some kind of schedule?
233 [01:18:19] <Gilfoyle-> They are, however it seems several dependent libs are a higher version under jessie then stretch.
234 [01:18:25] <debusb> notafile: its WIR, when its ready
235 [01:18:27] <Gilfoyle-> teraflops: If only I had the money for another drive. :P
236 [01:18:33] <teraflops> hehe
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240 [01:19:13] <debusb> you can practically find money for another hdd in most couches these days..
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242 [01:19:21] <hyper_ch> is there currently some exploit with ntpd? I noticed a lot of outboudn traffic...
243 [01:19:47] <notafile> is it just me imagining things or do the non-stable releases become a lot more buggy after a new stable release?
244 [01:20:04] <notafile> hyper_ch: I think you can use it for amplification
245 [01:20:23] <hyper_ch> notafile: yeah, it looks like it's being abused for that
246 [01:20:32] <notafile> I only ever heard of dns being used for amplification attacks but I think ntp is possible too
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250 [01:21:05] <hyper_ch> how to protect against that?
251 [01:21:08] <debusb> notafile: yeah, obviously.. things freeze and get slushy right before a stable release, when it warms up the viscosity changes.. you sink.. heh
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253 [01:21:20] <debusb> basic physics really
254 [01:21:46] <notafile> hyper_ch: I'm not a network guy so I have no idea, but does your ntp server need to be internet-accessible?
255 [01:21:53] <Gilfoyle-> So I guess 32 and 64bit libs need to be the same version to be installed?
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257 [01:22:06] <hyper_ch> notafile: not really
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259 [01:22:16] <notafile> because just enying access outside of your network would be a simple way to fix your issue hyper_ch
260 [01:22:18] <somiaj> notafile: what do you mean by non-stable releases? oldstable doesn't change much after the release, once it hits lts support some things change, but not too much on the server side.
261 [01:22:31] <notafile> I mean testing and sid
262 [01:22:38] <debusb> oh and the tab completion royally sucks in pidgin too.
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264 [01:23:15] <somiaj> notafile: well yea, those are moving targets (not releases) and they are known to be buggy and users should know what to expect when using prereleases.
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266 [01:23:56] <notafile> somiaj: Yes, that's a tradeoff that I hate to make
267 [01:23:57] <somiaj> notafile: as for timeline, debian follows a 'when it is ready' timeline, the freeze time line was annouced and updated a while ago, but the actual release depends on what rc bugs are present, and how aggresivally the release team deals with packages that have rc bugs (one way to deal with an rc bug is remvoe the package)
268 [01:24:26] <somiaj> notafile: #debian doesn't suggest using testing/unstable for anythign production. And we prefer to support the release.
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270 [01:25:06] <notafile> my prod stuff runs stable, my pcs run sid
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272 [01:25:58] <notafile> it's really annoying to have 1yr old packages in stable, but I understand why it has to be that way
273 [01:26:26] <somiaj> notafile: depends on what you need. I find most stuff I use doens't need to be the current release that is working out new bugs.
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275 [01:26:48] <debusb> I shall return... installing all gtk irc clients for testing.
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277 [01:27:05] <somiaj> notafile: but with backports being offically made, that is a good compermise, just realize backports don't have the security support or bug testing of main packages
278 [01:27:09] <Gilfoyle-> Hmm, no way to downgrade libc6
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280 [01:27:22] <somiaj> Gilfoyle-: why do you need to downgrade it?
281 [01:27:30] <somiaj> Gilfoyle-: in general debian doens't support downgrading.
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284 [01:28:10] <Gilfoyle-> Seems that somehow the i386 version in stretch is a different version from the amd64 version in stretch.
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286 [01:28:13] <Gilfoyle-> So, can't install it.
287 [01:28:21] <Gilfoyle-> Along with a bunch of other libs like it. >_>
288 [01:28:34] * Gilfoyle- just wants fracking opengl libs installed
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290 [01:28:37] <notafile> somiaj: the thing with backports is you have to manually set it up all of the time, it's just really annoying to go "oh, let my try this cool new feature" "wait, it doesn't exist yet"
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292 [01:29:38] <somiaj> notafile: last I checked the jessie isntaller asked if you wanted them included in your sources.list and yes they are pinned lower for a reason. You should have to tell apt to install them since they are not as well tested and may not be needed.
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295 [01:30:25] <notafile> somiaj: yeah, I get why, I just want to have my cake and eat it to, dammit
296 [01:30:33] <somiaj> Gilfoyle-: you can downgrade any package manually, but results may vary. Maybe try a different mirror or wait for the server to get in line (sometimes it takes a while for all packages to upgrade)
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298 [01:30:57] <Gilfoyle-> I guess so.
299 [01:31:21] <Gilfoyle-> Welp, no playing caves of qud then. >_>
300 [01:31:24] <somiaj> Gilfoyle-: you may have the old debs in /var/cache/apt/archives if you don't run apt-get clean often that you can manually install with dpkg -i, and there is snapshot.debian.org for old packages no longer on the mirrors
301 [01:31:42] <somiaj> Gilfoyle-: so there are things you can do while you wait, you can also try a different mirror
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303 [01:31:58] <somiaj> Gilfoyle-: (this of course is all part of runing testing as things change) (:
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305 [01:32:12] <notafile> is there any reason ftp.debian.org does not use the fance anycast or whatever it's called dns to redirect to the nearest mirror?
306 [01:32:59] <missmbob> you can use httpredir.d.o or deb.d.o
307 [01:33:25] <notafile> oh, nice
308 [01:33:27] <somiaj> !httpredir.debian.org
309 [01:33:28] <dpkg> To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, use the Geo-IP redirector in your sources.list "deb replaced-url
310 [01:33:41] <Gilfoyle-> I think libc6 is a large part of the problem. :P
311 [01:33:49] <notafile> I wonder why that isn't the default
312 [01:34:05] <somiaj> notafile: ftp.debian.org should not be used as a mirror, ftp.country_code.debian.org are the old round robin type redirectors, httpredir.debian.org is the one for jessie, with newer apts in stretch there is a more robust redirector available.
313 [01:34:46] <somiaj> notafile: The newer installer gives you the choice, I htink that is number 2. Unsure about the stretch installer.
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317 [01:35:31] <notafile> so if I'm currently on sid I should switch to deb.debian.org?
318 [01:35:49] <somiaj> notafile: you can.
319 [01:35:53] <notafile> instead of the local mirror
320 [01:36:02] <somiaj> choice is yours, if the mirror you are using now works fine use it.
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322 [01:36:31] <teraflops> hmm httpredir has a reputation of doing weird things
323 [01:37:00] <somiaj> yea, it wasn't as robost as I would have hoped, or maybe I just see the issues when they arise here and it works fine in most cases.
324 [01:37:10] <somiaj> though the new apt and deb.debian.org might be better.
325 [01:37:29] <notafile> I'm confused as to what is preferred too
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327 [01:37:41] <notafile> apt, apt-get + apt-cache, aptitude
328 [01:37:53] <somiaj> notafile: use the mirror that is best for you. You can either use one of these redirectors, or use a local mirror you nkow is good.
329 [01:38:09] <notafile> I tend to use aptitude because it actually tells me how to fix packages
330 [01:38:16] <somiaj> notafile: use the one you like. Sometimes the logic of one will figure out thigns the logic of another won't.
331 [01:38:41] <somiaj> aptitude has a bit more complex logic that can figure out more complicated things sometimes, but I've seen other cases that apt-get figures out stuff aptitude can't.
332 [01:38:48] <somiaj> apt-get/apt are faster.
333 [01:39:10] <somiaj> I use apt-get out of habbit.
334 [01:39:11] <notafile> except aptitude has this bug where it currently fills up all ram resolving dependencies
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340 [01:45:55] <Gilfoyle-> Think I finally fucking fixd it!
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350 [01:51:36] <seekr> The following question is one I've just posted to ##linux, so apologies if you see it twice...
351 [01:51:37] <seekr> I'd like to get some pointers on how to go about debugging a DNS problem. I presently have three machines connected to a router via Ethernet cable. Only one of them, running Linux Mint, is able to resolve DNS addresses. The other two, both running variants of Debian, cannot, however. I suspect a problem with router configuration, but I'd like to start by getting an understanding of how DNS requests are usually handled. Thanks.
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355 [01:52:58] <ddybing> Hi! I'm not sure if Debian is to blame, but I am experiencing very slow transfer speeds - both over the network and locally, on my Debian server. Getting around 40-45 mbytes/s over the network, and ~60mbytes/s from one disk to another, locally.
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390 [02:15:46] <Gilfoyle-> Welp, libs are fixed.
391 [02:15:53] <Gilfoyle-> But now steam is borked. >_>
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401 [02:28:55] <Mister_X> hello guys
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403 [02:29:27] <Mister_X> I'm trying to set-up my laptop and use nvidia drivers on an optimus system
404 [02:29:41] <somiaj> good luck. In debian there is bumblebee
405 [02:29:44] <Mister_X> but for whatever reason, when logging in on X, it ends up freezing
406 [02:29:46] <somiaj> !bumblebee
407 [02:29:46] <dpkg> The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. replaced-url
408 [02:29:51] <Mister_X> I've done that
409 [02:30:03] <Mister_X> I did something like 10 installs
410 [02:30:10] <Mister_X> and tried a bunch of different things
411 [02:30:19] <somiaj> support for that hardware is limited in debian. Does your bios let you disable one of the cards?
412 [02:30:34] <Mister_X> well, I want to use CUDA
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414 [02:30:57] <Mister_X> and if I use the nvidia only, I'm not sure how long the battery will last
415 [02:31:09] <somiaj> support is going to be limited. Seems you have tried everything i know of to get it to work in debian.
416 [02:31:16] <Mister_X> replaced-url
417 [02:31:38] <Mister_X> I managed to install but as soon as I hit enter when logging in, it freezes
418 [02:31:48] <Mister_X> any way I can get the log from the kernel panic?
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420 [02:32:09] <somiaj> Mister_X: unsure what is the best advise. I do know that ubuntu has better support for that hardware. But unsure how to debug your issues.
421 [02:32:17] <Mister_X> ubuntu doesn't work
422 [02:32:21] <Mister_X> I can't even boot with it
423 [02:32:36] <Mister_X> install works but it freezes right after boot
424 [02:32:43] <Mister_X> some kind of soft lockup and NMI
425 [02:32:55] <Mister_X> if I click 'try Ubuntu', same thing
426 [02:33:34] <somiaj> can't help you there, that was just an off hand comment as I don't really know how to deal with that hardware. My advise would be disable one of the cards. Can you make it so it uses intel only?
427 [02:34:00] <Mister_X> base install works if I disable nouveau
428 [02:34:08] <Mister_X> but I need CUDA
429 [02:34:46] <somiaj> Mister_X: have all your tests been on jessie or stretch?
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431 [02:35:39] <steakwipe> if this is any help i can't even boot with nouveau enabled, but am using a regular desktop nvidia card, but with nouveau enabled i get a hang that sounds just like yours
432 [02:35:58] <steakwipe> blacklisting the nouveau driver is how i got around that
433 [02:36:13] <steakwipe> module, rather
434 [02:36:16] <Mister_X> steakwipe, that's what I have to do to get it to boot
435 [02:36:34] <Mister_X> I managed to do that and followed the guide I mentioned to install nvidia driver
436 [02:36:42] <Mister_X> and it freezes after I login
437 [02:36:50] <Mister_X> I'm trying to get the kernel panic message now
438 [02:36:56] <Mister_X> to determine what failed
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440 [02:37:25] <Mister_X> somiaj, stretch
441 [02:37:34] <Mister_X> and it contains the very latest driver from nvidia
442 [02:37:44] <somiaj> Mister_X: okay, just was going to suggest trying stretch if jessie isn't working.
443 [02:38:05] <somiaj> ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
444 [02:38:06] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 367.57-2~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 375.26-1; sid/non-free: 375.26-1
445 [02:38:48] <Mister_X> stretch contains the same version as nvidia website
446 [02:39:29] <Mister_X> (there is no way to disable/enable just one of the cards btw_
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448 [02:39:59] <somiaj> yea, I was afraid of that, I personally suggest advoding the hardware if you want a smooth ride in linux and debian.
449 [02:40:41] <Mister_X> nowadays, a laptop with any nvidia card is gonna have optimus
450 [02:41:06] <somiaj> well hopefully some headway is being made on support.
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452 [02:41:33] <Mister_X> yeah, I guess I'll have to go back to Windows
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454 [02:41:39] <Mister_X> :/
455 [02:41:57] <somiaj> Mister_X: seems you have tried all the info I know of.
456 [02:42:13] <Mister_X> hold on
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458 [02:42:17] <Mister_X> I can try kdump
459 [02:42:26] <Mister_X> to get kernel panic
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461 [02:43:12] <steakwipe> yea if we can figure out where it tripped, i bet we can at least get pointed in the right direction
462 [02:43:34] <steakwipe> whether there's a solution at the end of the tunnel or not, that seems hit or miss based on the things i've seen about optimus on linux
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468 [02:44:38] <Mister_X> they should go back to a single card, less issues/complications
469 [02:44:46] <Mister_X> and have some kind of low power mode
470 [02:44:51] <Mister_X> for basic 2d stuff
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472 [02:45:50] <somiaj> or at least have you enable/disable at bios level, that way you can at least reboot, and change cards if needed.
473 [02:46:03] <Mister_X> yep
474 [02:46:19] <Mister_X> but still could be a problem if a specific driver is loaded for X
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477 [02:48:24] <somiaj> Mister_X: i'm lucky intel graphics is all I need on a laptop. (:
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493 [02:57:41] <WindowsXPForever> Upgrading to 3.2 from 2.6.32 I get a blank screen and a system lockup near the beginning of the init
494 [02:57:49] <WindowsXPForever> possibly framebuffer?
495 [02:57:59] <WindowsXPForever> I need interactive startup or something
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498 [02:58:25] <futurama140> HOWDY PEOPLE! I am having an issue that maybe you all can help with. I have cinnamon running, and there is no keyboard shortcut to toggle the case (uppertcase/lowercase) of whatever text I have highlighted. How do i tell the custom keyboard shortcut to do that with my key combo?
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500 [02:59:10] <WindowsXPForever> 2.6.32 is in kernel panic is it worth investigating or too old to fix?
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559 [03:34:58] <Mister_X> kdump doesn't seem to work (doesn't reboot automatically)
560 [03:35:03] <Mister_X> back to Windows I guess
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566 [03:38:42] <Gilfoyle-> What
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568 [03:38:51] <Gilfoyle-> What're the opengl libs for intel cards?
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570 [03:39:01] <Gilfoyle-> Seems mine aren't being loaded or something of the sort.
571 [03:39:12] <Gilfoyle-> Just mesa right?
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583 [03:45:29] <Mister_X> actually, it displayed the kernel panic, the issue is in snd_hdac_bus_update_rirb (snd_hda_core)
584 [03:45:34] <Mister_X> NULL pointer dereference
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589 [03:52:23] <WindowsXPForever> my system freezez with blanks screen after a few lines of starting initial services
590 [03:52:30] <WindowsXPForever> with kernel 3.2
591 [03:52:33] <WindowsXPForever> 2.6 is fine
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687 [05:23:13] <stephanie92> Has anyone used the webui access on configserver (csf firewall)
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876 [08:18:33] <dionysus69> how can I change permission on sda6 so my user can read/write on it?
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879 [08:20:35] <pfred1> dionysus69 you can put a directory on it
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881 [08:20:54] <pfred1> then chown the dir
882 [08:20:59] <dionysus69> no I need a full partition
883 [08:21:14] <dionysus69> i created a virtual vmdk pointing to physical partition
884 [08:21:20] <dionysus69> but cant read and write without sudo
885 [08:21:33] <dionysus69> i dont want to run virtualbox in sudo for reasons I have been warned before so :p
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887 [08:22:40] <cool> hello
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889 [08:22:57] <cool> any body?
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897 [08:27:46] <Pavr> you expect every 1580 people to greet you?
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901 [08:32:02] <WildPenguin> is JStoker online here?
902 [08:32:14] <WildPenguin> JStoker, hello..
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912 [08:36:07] <romancer> Hi. Is it possible to see a list of packages that were added _after_ initial installation?
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914 [08:36:52] <jim> you'd have to get their date to know when they were added
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918 [08:38:59] <jim> when you say "added" what did you mean?
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921 [08:40:15] <romancer> jim, whatever was added through apt-get after the system was installed. If there is an option to see the list of all packages _with installation date_ - it'll work as well.
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923 [08:40:53] <themill> romancer: to a first approximation, aptitude search '?or(~poptional,~pextra)~i!~M'
924 [08:41:10] <nkuttler> romancer: /var/log/dpkg.log ?
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929 [08:42:17] <themill> or not hmm
930 [08:42:58] <jim> romancer, so you mean installed on your system after you rebooted into your newly installed system for the first time?
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934 [08:43:31] <themill> aptitude search '~i!~M?or(~poptional,~pextra)' ← is better
935 [08:43:38] <jim> (and you don't mean packages that were added -to the archive- after you installed your system
936 [08:43:43] <jim> )
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938 [08:44:00] <romancer> to the archive?.. themill, let me try it in a moment.
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940 [08:44:51] <jim> the archive would be the set of mirrors where packages appear for download
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945 [08:46:21] <romancer> jim, there should be none except of those provided with installation image. themill, can I switch off the categories in aptitude to see tha plain list? (or just >> it somewhere)
946 [08:46:26] <piklu> I am trying to create a gameback end for mutliplayer, I want to choose crossbar.io, however is it worth choosing a cloud service - considering they shut all the time, or should I setup my own infrastructure with crossbar or kafka or something
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948 [08:46:41] <themill> romancer: categories?
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951 [08:47:11] <romancer> --\ Installed packages --\ Tasks...
952 [08:47:22] <themill> that command won't show anything like that
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957 [08:49:31] <romancer> themill, found! Views --> New Flat Package List. Then, Search --> Limit display and use your formula.
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959 [08:51:12] <themill> or you could just «aptitude search '~i!~M?or(~poptional,~pextra)'» as I said.
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986 [09:09:07] <jim> themill, would /var/log/dpkg.log show all the packages that were installed, including all the base packages?
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990 [09:13:11] <romancer> jim, let me try this as well.
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994 [09:16:17] <romancer> jim, sort of: cat /var/log/dpkg.log | grep ' installed ' > installed.txt
995 [09:17:40] <dionysus69> ok i need to open a program with path included
996 [09:17:49] <dionysus69> but i dont want to open terminal and run it every time
997 [09:17:52] <dionysus69> how do I do that?
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1001 [09:21:22] <jim> romancer, take a look at the dates shown in the output of ls -l /var/log/dpkg*
1002 [09:23:06] <jim> it's possible the last one will show a date close to when you first installed... and looking at the top few lines of that last file, should show the exact time/date when you started the install, and the installer started installing the base
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1005 [09:23:29] <jim> I don't know whether that info would be lost when rotating those logs
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1009 [09:26:26] <jim> is that dependent on configuration of logrotate?
1010 [09:26:30] <at0m> yea
1011 [09:26:37] <at0m> not sure what the default is
1012 [09:26:40] <at0m> romancer: no need to cat when you can directly grep
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1031 [09:37:38] <romancer> at0m, mm.. "grep /file ' blah ' " doesnt work
1032 [09:37:52] <GPenguin> grep --help
1033 [09:38:03] <GPenguin> first search pattern then file
1034 [09:38:12] <romancer> ouch
1035 [09:38:12] <at0m> romancer: "grep blah file" does
1036 [09:38:15] <at0m> =)
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1052 [09:51:56] <themill> jim: logs get rotated
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1115 [10:42:56] <wb7odyfred> Hello, do many users of RaspberryPi Pixel desktop on x86 show up here? I just booted an x86 laptop and added program Hexchat. Now here I am. Pixel Live is cool thing to use!
1116 [10:43:27] <bazhang> is that raspbian?
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1119 [10:47:33] <wb7odyfred> replaced-url
1120 [10:48:33] <wb7odyfred> replaced-url
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1122 [10:49:50] <wb7odyfred> bazhang, Debian 8 Live boot from a USB FLash Drive. Did I answer you question, is that raspbian?
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1125 [10:50:55] <bazhang> ,v pixel
1126 [10:50:56] <judd> No package named 'pixel' was found in amd64.
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1130 [10:52:00] <at0m> wb7odyfred: see #raspbian if you're running that.
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1132 [10:52:28] <wb7odyfred> Thank you for the pointer at0m
1133 [10:52:41] <wb7odyfred> will open another chat window to raspbian.
1134 [10:52:51] <at0m> work is being done do get native debian on rpi's, but for now, i install raspbian kernel then switch to debian repo's
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1153 [11:10:17] <cyphix> Hello. When trying to upgrade my system with apt-get upgrade, I receive this message: Errors were encountered while processing:aufs-dkms E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1). What does it mean? How can I solve this?
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1173 [11:20:32] <cyphix> (I might have missed your last messages) Here is a more useful error message: replaced-url
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1227 [11:43:00] <[jasper]> hej guys, this is an output of lsof: java 1 root 126u IPv6 1057353 0t0 TCP *:1199 (LISTEN)
1228 [11:43:15] <[jasper]> does that means this process listens to port 1199 on ANY address?
1229 [11:43:53] <dutchfish> [jasper], yes, looks like it.
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1231 [11:44:39] <dutchfish> [jasper], also do a `netstat -nla`
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1235 [11:46:24] <[jasper]> dutchfish..doesn't seem I have netstat....to which package should this belong? I'm running a docker of debian
1236 [11:46:38] <dutchfish> !netstat
1237 [11:46:38] <dpkg> dutchfish netstat - Prints network connections, routing tables, interface statistics, masquerade connections, and multi-cast memberships. try netstat -pantu to also see which daemon serves which port
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1241 [11:47:53] <GPenguin> , netstat
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1244 [11:48:52] <dutchfish> [jasper], net-tools i believe is the package name.
1245 [11:49:38] <dutchfish> ,net-tools
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1247 [11:49:53] <dutchfish> , net-tools
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1250 [11:51:19] <dutchfish> [jasper], replaced-url
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1266 [11:56:39] <GNU\colossus> dutchfish, [jasper] - iproute2 has `ss` (short for somtehing like socket status), which is supposed to be netstat's modern replacement
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1271 [11:59:02] <GPenguin> ah, cool
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1278 [12:03:25] <dutchfish> GNU\colossus, thanks, `ss -l` and friends are nice, not sure how to use filtered ones.
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1280 [12:04:35] <dutchfish> GNU\colossus, or to filter out link locals.
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1286 [12:06:46] <dutchfish> GNU\colossus, nm, got it, thanks again.
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1290 [12:07:20] <GNU\colossus> yw :)
1291 [12:07:32] <GNU\colossus> also, you were probably looking for ",v net-tools" earlier
1292 [12:07:50] <dutchfish> GNU\colossus, ah yes, thanks.
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1296 [12:08:24] <dutchfish> ,v net-tools
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1298 [12:08:27] <judd> Package: net-tools on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.60-24.2; jessie: 1.60-26+b1; stretch: 1.60+git20161116.90da8a0-1; sid: 1.60+git20161116.90da8a0-1
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1309 [12:12:22] <GPenguin> strange, the bots do not respond to me
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1313 [12:15:59] <jelly> GNU\colossus: read ircbots.debian.net for correct syntax
1314 [12:16:02] <jelly> er, GPenguin ^^
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1317 [12:16:39] <GPenguin> hmmm, okay
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1345 [12:35:41] <Jonte_P> hello
1346 [12:35:59] <Jonte_P> i'm using kali.
1347 [12:36:06] <Jonte_P> it is debian based
1348 [12:36:19] <Jonte_P> i have a question
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1351 [12:37:15] <ompaul> you answered it yourself :-)
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1361 [12:40:39] <notafile> ompaul: sometimes stereotypes exist for a reason :D
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1364 [12:40:49] <Jonte_P> hello
1365 [12:41:08] <tx> Jonte_P: go and ask on the kali channel
1366 [12:41:17] <Jonte_P> ok
1367 [12:41:20] <Jonte_P> bye
1368 [12:41:23] <tx> cya!
1369 [12:41:24] <tx> ;)
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1373 [12:42:06] <Jonte_P> i am not invited to the kali channel
1374 [12:42:39] <SynrG> !kali
1375 [12:42:39] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
1376 [12:42:40] <Jonte_P> hello
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1378 [12:42:54] <Jonte_P> ok thx
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1382 [12:44:06] <Jonte_P> !kali
1383 [12:44:06] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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1386 [12:45:06] <notafile> I like the subtle jab in the kali text
1387 [12:47:29] <SynrG> jab? i don't read anything into it. (and our factoids should aim to be informative, not inflammatory or elitist)
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1390 [12:48:14] <themill> !bt5 magic
1391 [12:48:15] <dpkg> BackTrack is just an operating system. It does not magically turn you into a hacker. It is also offtopic in #debian. Please fulfill your fantasies in #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net.
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1393 [12:48:26] <tx> yep
1394 [12:48:31] <tx> "not inflammatory" right there.
1395 [12:48:46] <tx> Pretty good though, keep it.
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1398 [12:50:25] <notafile> SynrG: asking kali users to read esr's hacking howto counts as a subtle jab in my book
1399 [12:51:56] <notafile> tx: kinda needs to be renamed into !kali magic
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1403 [12:54:14] <SynrG> notafile: ok. very subtle, yes. but it is also genuinely helpful. :)
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1406 [12:55:29] <SynrG> also, moving this to -ot
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1427 [13:10:49] <Jonte_P> hi i can't join the kali linux channel
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1429 [13:11:59] <mmp> Hi; I have a fairly freshly updated debian testing on btrfs; I just tried setting capabilities to some binaries, but all I get is: (binary) differs in [pe]
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1432 [13:12:57] <mmp> looks like I can not set security.capabilities extended attribute of files, although xattrs in general work (e.g. I was able to set a custom attribute)
1433 [13:13:25] <Jonte_P> i can't join the kali linux channel. i am using kali linux
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1455 [13:26:04] <mmp> okay, update; apparently I can set certain capabilities to files, but I can not set cap_net_bind_service=+ep
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1457 [13:26:49] <Commander_> Howdy everyone :)
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1461 [13:27:55] <Commander_> ...Wait a minute, this isn't debian-next. Doh!
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1465 [13:29:18] <Olufunmilayo> Does anyone know why the amount of packages reported would vary between the running of apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade in the time span of 2 minutes. On first run it reported a rather large amount of packages along with a linux header upgrade, it did not report any verification or signature issues. After hitting no, and re running the command again it only listed one package which I knew had to be updated. During the run of the
1466 [13:29:18] <Olufunmilayo> first command I was connected to a VPN, I disconnected and reconnected to the same VPN (static ip) and re ran the command
1467 [13:29:45] <Olufunmilayo> at no time during any of this did any of the packages complain of bad sig or verification
1468 [13:29:57] <Olufunmilayo> just wondering if anyone has ever seen something like this
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1474 [13:33:19] <SynrGy> Olufunmilayo: a large decrease in packages to upgrade probably indicates a failure in 'apt-get update'
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1476 [13:34:02] <SynrGy> but there should've been messages associated with that failure
1477 [13:34:14] <Olufunmilayo> deb 8 with kernel 3.1.16.0-4 (if that matters) but I patched the apt cve and dirtycow myself
1478 [13:34:35] <Olufunmilayo> synrGy no warnings where displayed
1479 [13:34:36] <Olufunmilayo> however
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1481 [13:34:44] <Olufunmilayo> the first time running apt-get update
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1483 [13:34:56] <Olufunmilayo> it did fail to connect to repo's
1484 [13:35:18] <Olufunmilayo> second time it did connect and displayed a large amount of packages
1485 [13:35:32] <SynrGy> failure to update screws up apt's index
1486 [13:35:41] <Olufunmilayo> and third time, after killing the vpn tunnel and restarting it, only 1 package
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1489 [13:37:06] <SynrGy> do you have an apt caching proxy?
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1491 [13:37:21] <Olufunmilayo> SynrGy not that I am aware of no
1492 [13:37:21] <SynrGy> apt-cacher-ng, approx, etc.?
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1495 [13:38:21] <Commander_> I seem to be having difficulty connecting to #debian-next, it keeps re-directing me back here to #debian. Anyone else encountering this?
1496 [13:38:32] <SynrGy> i can't account for your results, then. if there's nothing wrong with apt locally, i'd guess the mirror (or proxy) was broken
1497 [13:38:39] <SynrGy> Commander_: wrong network
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1499 [13:38:50] <SynrGy> Commander_: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net
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1502 [13:39:05] <gebruiker> !stretch
1503 [13:39:05] <dpkg> The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: replaced-url
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1505 [13:39:33] <SynrGy> Commander_: and you were told this *while* on OFTC, so nobody there thought you'd try to join it on Freenode and therefore didn't qualify it with the network name
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1507 [13:40:16] <Olufunmilayo> SynrGy ok, I was wondering if it could have been a possible man in the middle but the none complaint about sigs or verification and the repo being a official one I was rather confused
1508 [13:40:16] <live> hi, is cinnamon de properly integrated with Debian stable?
1509 [13:40:48] <Commander_> Ahh, sorry about that. This is my first time using an IRC. I figured they were all the same
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1511 [13:41:04] <Olufunmilayo> SynrGy and I can not replicate what happened so that even adds more of a "WTF" to this WTF moment
1512 [13:41:06] <gebruiker> live it is old, check BTS and perhaps backports to get a better idea
1513 [13:41:32] <live> is Cinnamon old?
1514 [13:41:40] <gebruiker> the version used is
1515 [13:41:57] <live> then, which is the DE with the latest and most up to date features?
1516 [13:42:09] <SynrGy> Olufunmilayo: i'd say there's a strong chance with all the network weirdness going on, it was a local issue, not any sort of attack
1517 [13:42:18] <live> btw, which DE is most used or preferred by users?
1518 [13:42:26] <SynrGy> Olufunmilayo: but as you say, without reproducibility, hard to know for certain.
1519 [13:42:40] <gebruiker> dpkg tell live about debian stable
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1521 [13:43:10] <SynrGy> live: you won't get useful answers to that question here.
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1523 [13:43:23] <SynrGy> live: gnome is default, so probably most people use that.
1524 [13:43:27] <Olufunmilayo> SynrGy can I ask what you mean about network weirdness?
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1526 [13:43:36] <moldy> hi
1527 [13:43:42] <SynrGy> Olufunmilayo: vpn up and down during attempts
1528 [13:43:51] <gebruiker> live there are some graphs and stats online, most used DE are gnome, kde, and xfce
1529 [13:43:52] <live> which is more beginner friendly?
1530 [13:43:55] <live> among all the DEs?
1531 [13:43:57] <moldy> can anyone confirm that tftpd-hpa doesn't work ootb? i only get timeouts when trying to fetch a file from a tftpd on localhost
1532 [13:44:03] <moldy> (on jessie)
1533 [13:44:46] <gebruiker> live: if you are comming from windows you can chose cinnamon, kde or gnome. Xfce is good too for low end machines
1534 [13:44:53] <SynrGy> live: just go with the default, gnome, unless you have specific needs/preferences that would steer you towards something else
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1536 [13:45:04] <live> ok
1537 [13:45:12] <live> mate?
1538 [13:45:18] <SynrGy> live: you can always change later.
1539 [13:45:25] <SynrGy> you can even have multiple desktops installed at once.
1540 [13:45:27] <gebruiker> the debian install runs taskel by default, through which you can chose a DE
1541 [13:45:33] <SynrGy> pick one. try it. see if you like it.
1542 [13:45:47] <live> ok
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1544 [13:46:24] <Olufunmilayo> SynrGy ah, ok. I did have the tunnel set to report back at level 8 and I could not spot anything that looked close to a replay attack (or at least nothing was reported as such). But ok, I guess it is a deb "WTF" moment. Also I thought maybe, just maybe, it could have been a DNS issue on my side but I checked what the servers I have in my resolv.conf and they where stable an fine
1545 [13:46:29] <SynrGy> gnome seems to be fairly feature complete. cinnamon is newer and less mature. mate is unspeakably ugly (imho) ;) ...
1546 [13:46:55] <SynrGy> xfce is a fine choice for systems with really ancient GPUs ...
1547 [13:47:19] <SynrGy> personally, i'm using cinnamon instead of gnome despite its lack of maturity and am happy enough with it.
1548 [13:47:51] <SynrGy> (but i'm not a "beginner" so ... don't take what i use as indicative of what you should)
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1550 [13:48:27] <live> xfce?
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1553 [13:49:24] <live> why is the recommended system requirements for debian stable with each of the DEs is not given on debian.org?
1554 [13:49:34] <gebruiker> live: replaced-url
1555 [13:49:38] <moldy> hmmm, probably ipv6-related
1556 [13:49:41] <gebruiker> ( fyi )
1557 [13:50:23] <moldy> it works if i connect to 127.0.0.1 instead of localhost
1558 [13:50:34] <SynrGy> live: i think the debian installation guide has a section on system requirements. not sure about "for each of the DE's".
1559 [13:50:45] <live> gebruiker, thanks a lot.
1560 [13:50:46] <live> ok
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1563 [13:51:32] <live> I am a linux beginner. And am buying a new laptop this week. Wanted to try Debian.
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1565 [13:52:36] <gebruiker> use virtualbox to try out what you like and to get fammiliar with debian. In a couple of months Stretch will be released I suspect
1566 [13:52:40] <live> why kde is more preferred than others? any specific reasons?
1567 [13:52:57] <live> what is stretch?
1568 [13:52:58] <SynrGy> live: additionally, any modern system can run any desktop, so i wouldn't worry about that.
1569 [13:53:10] <live> ok
1570 [13:53:24] <SynrGy> live: i don't know where you got "kde is more preferred" from. by whom? not by me.
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1572 [13:54:12] <live> ok. I am a beginner. I need a more intuitive and user freindly DE as well as OS>
1573 [13:54:48] <SynrGy> live: as i said, just use the default, gnome. it's what most people use, and therefore is assumed when people are giving you help.
1574 [13:55:23] <gebruiker> There is a research from 2015 stating this, from this point on there is was no other research indicating what DE was prefered. This not to mention linus cricsism of gnome lol
1575 [13:55:27] <SynrGy> but if you're curious about any of the others, feel free to try them instead. and don't worry about that initial desktop choice. you can change it later.
1576 [13:55:29] <live> ok. When will Stretch be available?
1577 [13:55:39] <SynrGy> when it's ready ;)
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1579 [13:56:10] <live> ok. When it will be ready?
1580 [13:56:20] <SynrGy> we cannot predict that with enough accuracy to help you in your purchase/install schedulingn
1581 [13:56:23] <SynrGy> sorry
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1583 [13:56:40] <Dagger> bear in mind gnome3 suffers from "treat the user like an idiot" syndrome, which some people find offputting
1584 [13:57:02] <SynrGy> you could say the same of windows 10, or Mac OS/X ...
1585 [13:57:07] <live> ok
1586 [13:57:09] <SynrGy> so it's just following the prevailing trend
1587 [13:57:16] <gebruiker> kde plasma has been doing a real good
1588 [13:57:33] <Dagger> SynrG: aye, which is why it might be relevant to somebody who is avoiding Win10 because of that
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1590 [13:58:00] <SynrGy> true. not all "beginners" come from the same place. so it's hard to make a recommendation without knowing the person
1591 [13:58:10] <live> ok. Will try Debian stable with KDE, then.
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1594 [13:59:04] <Commander_> To be honest Live, if you've never used Linux before, you may want to try a distro aimed more at newbie's first.
1595 [13:59:44] <Commander_> Something like MX Linux, or Ubuntu MATE.
1596 [13:59:49] <SynrGy> Commander_: i wouldn't
1597 [13:59:54] <live> also, I came across this Debian testing based distro called Sparky Linux. Has anybody here used that?
1598 [14:00:01] <SynrGy> this is #debian and we recommend and support Debian here
1599 [14:00:23] <SynrGy> discussion of the relative merits of other distros is off-topic
1600 [14:00:40] <Commander_> Indeed, though I get the feeling Debian may frustrate him if it's his first taste of Linux.
1601 [14:00:41] <live> I came here, because Debian is the mother of most of the linux distros.
1602 [14:00:43] <SynrGy> Debian is fine for beginners
1603 [14:00:46] <tx> What would describing a distro as "okay" be deemed sa.
1604 [14:00:47] <tx> as*
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1606 [14:01:34] <SynrGy> Commander_: live came here, so is at least clueful enough to seek community help. that's a good indication of readiness to use debian.
1607 [14:01:44] <SynrGy> Debian's community help is first class.
1608 [14:02:11] <SynrGy> i can't say the same for other distros (especially lacking any real experience trying to get support for them)
1609 [14:02:14] <live> yes. I agree. It has a very vibrant community.
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1630 [14:11:04] <live> I have read somewhere that if in Debian, you want newer versions of packages, you have to try Debian testing.
1631 [14:11:22] <live> guys, is dpkg a robot?
1632 [14:11:36] <SynrGy> yes, dpkg is a bot
1633 [14:11:44] <SynrGy> !dpkgbot
1634 [14:11:45] <dpkg> Please visit replaced-url
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1636 [14:12:14] <live> ok.
1637 [14:12:20] <SynrGy> live: what you've read is inaccurate. absolutely don't use testing if you just want more up-to-date packages
1638 [14:12:26] <SynrGy> !tell live about testing
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1641 [14:12:42] <SynrGy> !tell live about jessie-backports
1642 [14:12:51] <epsilon> live: there are few between, such as jessie-updates or backports
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1644 [14:13:20] <SynrGy> live: backports are for more recent packages (though not without its limitations)
1645 [14:14:03] <SynrGy> also, the security team ensures you are kept updated on stable with latest patches for security issues, so you needn't worry about that.
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1650 [14:14:59] <live> ok. thanks a lot.
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1703 [14:41:39] <Tedd872> Hi Folks.
1704 [14:41:50] <Tedd872> My Ricochet is not working. Always says Connection Pending with my contact.
1705 [14:41:55] <Tedd872> Is this because they need to be online at the same time?
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1708 [14:44:06] <yvcj> dpkg
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1714 [14:46:48] <yvcj> how can I switch between irssi chats in the console? Alt+arrows changes the console...
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1718 [14:47:44] <Tedd872> My Ricochet is not working. Always says Connection Pending with my contact.
1719 [14:47:53] <Tedd872> Is this because they need to be online at the same time?
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1721 [14:48:56] <isydor> yvcj: ctrl+n or p
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1724 [14:49:46] <yvcj> isydor: thanks
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1743 [15:00:30] <stigat0r> I intelligently upgraded from jessie to stretch without enough disk space... which left my system in an inconsistent state... is there a way to minimize the problems to make the system work for a couple of days?
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1753 [15:08:41] <dvs> stigat0r, did you try "apt-cache clear"?
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1756 [15:09:33] <stigat0r> dvs: invalid operation
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1758 [15:10:19] <treehug88> stigat0r can you clean up some disk space and complete the upgrade. After backing up of course
1759 [15:10:23] <n4dir> i would give clean a try instead of clear ...
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1762 [15:10:34] <dvs> stigat0r, sorry "apt-get clean"
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1765 [15:11:24] <stigat0r> I have enough disk space already and the system finished full-upgrading
1766 [15:12:50] <stigat0r> dvs,n4dir: ^^ and I am using aptitude
1767 [15:13:57] <n4dir> apt-cache doesn't work with aptitude, or what is the point ?
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1770 [15:15:22] <stigat0r> n4dir: I don't need to clean or something because I got enough disk space already
1771 [15:16:04] <stigat0r> n4dir: (but aptitude also has a clean and autoclean option which I use sometimes)
1772 [15:16:14] <n4dir> "system in an inconsisten state" i recall as a masage from the packagemanegement, but i don't recall well. When or where do you get it?
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1774 [15:16:58] <n4dir> to put it different: what is the exact problem right now?
1775 [15:17:30] <stigat0r> n4dir: I can't start an x session
1776 [15:18:03] <stigat0r> n4dir: xinit: unable to connect to x server: Connection refused
1777 [15:18:48] <stigat0r> n4dir: (I am using openbox)
1778 [15:19:06] <n4dir> ah. whew. For the lulz i would delete/rename the file ~/.Xauthority or such (makes no sense it comes in the game, but can't hurt, i guess)
1779 [15:19:51] <n4dir> did you try to create a test-user and startx as him? did you try to startx as root?
1780 [15:20:11] <n4dir> are you sure all of xorg is still installed?
1781 [15:20:28] <n4dir> apt-get has the option: apt-get check ; i don't know the according for aptitude
1782 [15:20:47] * n4dir just shooting ideas, not sure if i have a good idea.
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1784 [15:22:04] <stigat0r> n4dir: renamed ~/.Xauthority , no difference; apt-get check ran for a second successfully; openbox and xserver-xorg-core and its deps are still installed
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1786 [15:22:36] <n4dir> test-user has the same problem?
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1788 [15:23:05] <stigat0r> n4dir: yes
1789 [15:23:12] <stigat0r> n4dir: just checked
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1791 [15:23:29] <n4dir> to me it doesn't look as if it would relate to the failed upgrade, as now packages seem in a sane state, but i really lack the inside knowledge.
1792 [15:24:02] <n4dir> i would try as root too, only to get the head into what might be the problem, but i guess i ran out of troubleshoot ideas.
1793 [15:24:18] <stigat0r> n4dir: startx works for rooot
1794 [15:24:52] <n4dir> damnit. I recall i had it like that, but sure can't recall how i solved it. Xauthority often worked for me, but you tried it already.
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1797 [15:26:37] <n4dir> well: perhaps ask on server oftc channel #debian-next. Might be there is a general problem with startx these days
1798 [15:27:06] <n4dir> oh, you do use systemd, didn't replace it, and are sure libsystemd0 or such is installed?
1799 [15:27:26] <stigat0r> n4dir: when on jessie, I replaces systemd by sysvinit
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1801 [15:27:57] <n4dir> aha. I recall a problem like that. There even was a bug-report about it. I would investigate in that direction.
1802 [15:27:58] <stigat0r> n4dir: I'm not sure whether the dist-upgrade changed that
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1804 [15:28:04] <n4dir> me neither
1805 [15:28:41] <n4dir> make sure libsystemd0 is installed. (should only matter if you did pinnning, well, like said: what do i know ... )
1806 [15:28:53] <stigat0r> n4dir: it's annoying that I can only browse the web with my telephone (or console)
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1808 [15:29:07] <n4dir> i guess so. No live CD around?
1809 [15:29:22] <stigat0r> n4dir: libsystemd0 is installed
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1811 [15:29:27] <stigat0r> n4dir: no live cd, no
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1813 [15:29:55] <n4dir> a pity that the bug-report is hard to find. My guess (!) is that is the problem
1814 [15:30:24] <n4dir> systemd-shim or such is installed too? (yes, yes, the answer is probably yes again, all i do is shoot, don't be angry with me)
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1817 [15:31:03] <n4dir> above you said all you want is use the systemd for a few hours. no idea if it will help, but replacing sysv with systemd is an option?
1818 [15:31:05] <n4dir> for now ...
1819 [15:31:19] <stigat0r> n4dir: systemd-shim is installed and I am thankful for your effort
1820 [15:31:21] <n4dir> use the system for a few hours, not systemd, sorry, typ
1821 [15:31:44] <stigat0r> n4dir: no, I sayd I want the system for a few days, not systemd for hours :)
1822 [15:31:52] <stigat0r> n4dir: ok
1823 [15:31:55] <n4dir> yeah, yeah, typo, sorry :-)
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1826 [15:33:04] <n4dir> snark side note: thats what you get when you are told "but you can replace systemd" ... oh my ... been there ... gave up
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1830 [15:34:00] <Bluefoxicy> sunweaver isn't here.
1831 [15:34:00] <stigat0r> n4dir: yes, they are telling that we have the "freedom" to use sysvinit if we want but in effect we are for short or long implicitly forced into using systemd...
1832 [15:34:48] <Bluefoxicy> sigh I guess I Can just file a bug that nobody will ever look at.
1833 [15:35:05] <Bluefoxicy> it's bugs@lists.debian.org right?
1834 [15:35:09] <jelly> !reportbug
1835 [15:35:10] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
1836 [15:35:12] <jelly> Bluefoxicy: ^^
1837 [15:35:16] <Bluefoxicy> thanks.
1838 [15:35:34] <ikus060> Any idea why I need 3 Disk to re-mount a mdraid level raid10. Two disk should be enought
1839 [15:35:36] <stigat0r> n4dir: I have never used systemd for now and I don't think that the probability that X works then is high enough for me to use it now...
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1841 [15:36:06] <jelly> ikus060: but not any two
1842 [15:36:27] <n4dir> for me it sure was the problem. there sure was a bug report bout startx failing. Oh, you could also try quickly to install a display-manager
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1844 [15:36:41] <n4dir> i seem to recall the problem was only for startx. weird enough, huh?
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1847 [15:37:32] <Caddy> Just joined ! what's the problem? something related to X server ?
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1849 [15:37:49] <stigat0r> Caddy: yes, it can only be started as root
1850 [15:37:59] <stigat0r> Caddy: when started as normal user it says connection refused
1851 [15:38:32] <Caddy> Tried escalating the privileges for the normal user?
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1853 [15:39:14] <stigat0r> Caddy: isn't there a saner method?
1854 [15:39:23] <TomTomTosch> is your user in the video group?
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1857 [15:39:50] <stigat0r> TomTomTosch: yes
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1860 [15:41:40] <Caddy> Is there a log or errors outputted besides the "connection refused" message?
1861 [15:42:08] <stigat0r> Caddy: yes
1862 [15:42:21] <Bluefoxicy> okay, don't know how that's going to go, but I imagine 1.1+somegit+dfsg+patches+maintainer -> 1.1+somenewergit+dfsg+patches+maintainer is a facepalm argument
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1864 [15:42:33] <stigat0r> Caddy: Server terminated with error (1)
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1870 [15:43:47] <Bluefoxicy> oh my god I'm dumb.
1871 [15:43:57] * Bluefoxicy notices the freerdp2 package off in another area of the sidebar
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1880 [15:46:01] <Mahe> Hey there. Running Jessie 8.6 with bpo kernel 4.8. Trying to read a Bluray disc with UDF 2.60. Mounting fails with an error stating that the maximum version value is 2.50 - however, many sources on the net state that UDF 2.60 should be readable since kernel 2.6 - what am I missing?
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1893 [15:51:25] <ShreQueanmo> what is the best spot to change the PS1 prompt for all users on the system?
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1895 [15:52:36] <stigat0r> Thanks for all your effort; I am now using xfce4 with lightdm
1896 [15:53:06] <n4dir> lightdm works stigat0r ? jesus ...
1897 [15:53:12] <dvs> ShreQueanmo, /etc/bash.bashrc
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1906 [15:54:05] <stigat0r> n4dir: yes, works out of the box :-)
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1909 [15:54:45] <stigat0r> n4dir: I just installed xfce4 lightdm task-xfce-desktop and rebooted
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1915 [15:56:35] <careta> hey guys
1916 [15:56:48] <n4dir> for the fun i would test if openbox works too, but i see no reason why it shouldn't. Long story short: glad you got it sorted (and even more as you avoid crapd too ... :-) )
1917 [15:56:59] <careta> is there a way to change the DPI dynamically? for example having two screens with different dpi?
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1920 [15:58:36] <stigat0r> n4dir: no, startx still doesn't work and it seems to be an x problem
1921 [15:58:52] <n4dir> nah, i meant start openbox with lightdm, not via startx.
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1923 [15:59:13] <TheThuxy> \help
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1926 [15:59:22] <n4dir> wondering why there ain't no bug report to be foun about it, but i am a lousy searchenginge-user ...
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1928 [16:00:15] <heibol> I'm testing openbox with wayland
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1946 [16:08:48] <teraflops> careta: two different monitors or laptop + external monitor?
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1975 [16:18:57] <maziar> hi everyone my debian machine was not responding until hard reboot, which log should I check to find what was the reason ?
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2041 [16:46:11] <oaps> hello!
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2044 [16:46:45] <oaps> when using lightdm, is it possible to configure lightdm-gtk-greeter to show the username instead of the real name in the user menu?
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2053 [16:48:22] <kardborren> Hi, yesterday I submitted an RFP using reportbug, per instructions at replaced-url
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2057 [16:50:24] <oaps> kardborren: you should get an automatic acknowledgement of any reported issue within a couple of minutes, so no, that's not standard behaviour.
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2059 [16:51:26] <kardborren> oaps: Ok. You got a recommendation for what to do? Is there a way to verify whether the DBTS actually got the report, as reportbug claimed?
2060 [16:51:43] <oaps> kardborren: i'd just try again.
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2064 [16:52:09] <oaps> and if it persists, report that on the relevant mailing list.
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2067 [16:52:30] <kardborren> oaps: Would you happen to know if my report is saved locally somewhere? I spent quite some time on it to make it as good as possible.
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2073 [16:54:09] <oaps> kardborren: don't know, sorry. i don't _think_ it does unless you explicitly ask it to save a draft.
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2075 [16:55:01] <kardborren> oaps: Understood, thanks. By the way, care to make a guess on my current level of happiness?
2076 [16:55:41] <oaps> -INT_MAX?
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2079 [16:56:04] <kardborren> oaps: Right you are. Which doesn't reflect my thankfulness to you helping me. Cheers.
2080 [16:56:46] <missmbob> kardborren: what's the package, btw?
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2084 [16:57:49] <kardborren> missmbob: kitty - A modern, hackable, featureful, OpenGL based tiling terminal emulator (replaced-url
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2089 [16:58:58] <kardborren> oaps: Follow-up: Would you know if I can just create the report directly in my email app and send it to submit@bugs.debian.org? Seems so much better than going through reportbug disappointment again.
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2091 [16:59:28] <kardborren> I am willing to give the RFP another chance. I will not try a third time.
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2094 [17:00:27] <missmbob> kardborren: sure. replaced-url
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2097 [17:01:29] <oaps> i think you can write the report in reportbug and have it save a correctly formatted email for you, but i'm not sure.
2098 [17:01:50] <oaps> writing the pseudo-headers manually works too, of course.
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2100 [17:02:52] <kardborren> missmbob and oaps: Thanks, I'll do that instead.
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2102 [17:03:32] <kardborren> It's a shame really, I had made a couple of quite clever jokes in my RFP to woo the Debian Higher Powers.
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2104 [17:03:53] <kardborren> Because obviously that's a universal currancy. :)
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2112 [17:05:20] <missmbob> kardborren: you could email wnpp@debian.org and ask them what's going on, if it's lost, etc.
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2114 [17:05:54] <kardborren> missmbob: Good one, I'll try that.
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2122 [17:09:12] <hexnewbie> On Debian Jessie with systemd, with jabberd2 from backports, how do I prevent jabberd-router, jabberd-c2s and jabberd-sm from starting?
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2127 [17:11:02] <netmk> hexnewbie: systemctl disable <service>
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2129 [17:11:59] <hexnewbie> They are all (including jabberd2.service and jabberd.service) disabled, but still start when I start jabberd-s2s
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2131 [17:12:22] <hexnewbie> I've edited /etc/default/jabberd2 for them to not start, but that's taken into account only by the init script, apparently
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2133 [17:13:33] <hexnewbie> Is there like a syntax to remove depdendency, e.g. Requires-=jabberd-router.service?
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2142 [17:16:34] <netmk> well, from what I can see in the package, those other services aren't separate dependent packages
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2146 [17:20:20] <netmk> are you sure those services aren't needed?
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2149 [17:21:02] <netmk> from a quick look at replaced-url
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2151 [17:21:08] <teraflops> hexnewbie: if Requires= is already there that's why they are started
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2153 [17:21:51] <nopnopnop> win 2
2154 [17:21:54] <hexnewbie> netmk: Yeah, but the router is running on another machine in my case. :)
2155 [17:21:59] <netmk> ah ok
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2160 [17:22:39] <hexnewbie> teraflops: Yeah, I managed to find the place in the systemd docs that says if the Requires= are there, they cannot be removed. :/ So I guess that left me with the less pleasant solution of using my own service file. :)
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2163 [17:24:48] <hexnewbie> I guess it's a problem that features (options from /etc/default/...) are missing when using systemd, but I'm not sure that's worth a bug for a package that's only in sid/backports, and from what I gather won't ever make it into stable :)
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2169 [17:29:02] <netmk> hexnewbie: couldn't you just edit the unit file for jabberd2 and remove it?
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2172 [17:30:00] <hexnewbie> netmk: From reading now, I think the suggested way to deal with it is to copy it and edit the copy (which is what I did for the time being).
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2174 [17:30:48] <hexnewbie> Which won't work if ExecStart= changes in a new package version, but eh, that's not a probable or major issue I guess.
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2176 [17:31:11] <teraflops> hexnewbie: if they are missed, put your options in the .service file or source them from there
2177 [17:31:46] <teraflops> hexnewbie: then put your services files in /etc son they dont get smashed eventually with future updates
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2179 [17:31:53] <teraflops> s/son/so
2180 [17:32:52] <teraflops> from there I mean /etc/default if youre comfortable with it
2181 [17:33:21] <hexnewbie> Thanks for the suggestions. I did ‘systemd cat jabberd-s2s > /etc/systemd/system/jabberd-s2s.service’ and edited that.
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2183 [17:33:29] <teraflops> yeah
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2185 [17:34:23] * hexnewbie was more used to partially overriding them in xx.service.d/stuff.conf
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2205 [17:44:07] <KOLANICH> Hi all!
2206 [17:44:25] <KOLANICH> What shoul I do to send a pull request
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2208 [17:44:51] <KOLANICH> *should
2209 [17:45:46] <GPenguin> KOLANICH: what pull? where?
2210 [17:46:08] <KOLANICH> GPenguin: I wanna send a PR to python-apt
2211 [17:46:30] <KOLANICH> but there is no githib/gitlab/trac repo
2212 [17:46:49] <GPenguin> KOLANICH: i am not 100% sure but i would create a bug report and attach the patch there
2213 [17:46:53] <WildPenguin> is there any way I can use android apps in Debian?
2214 [17:47:38] <oaps> WildPenguin: the easiest way is probably to run android in a vm, though i've never tried it.
2215 [17:47:40] <KOLANICH> GPenguin: understood
2216 [17:47:55] <KOLANICH> GPenguin: thank you :(
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2218 [17:48:04] <WildPenguin> ok. What is this vm?
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2220 [17:48:18] <oaps> a virtual machine. look at qemu for example.
2221 [17:48:28] <WildPenguin> ok.
2222 [17:49:24] <towo`> i would use genymotion, since it is the fastest solution and provides arm-support and hardware 3d
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2224 [17:49:56] <GPenguin> WildPenguin: you could also look at solutions like genimotion
2225 [17:50:10] <GPenguin> genymotion even
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2229 [17:50:57] <WildPenguin> ok. I am searching for it.
2230 [17:51:01] <ompaul> Once you know you have corrections to make - that works.
2231 [17:51:17] <ompaul> Failing to accept that you might be wrong is a greater failure.
2232 [17:51:18] <WildPenguin> I am a beginner in Linux.
2233 [17:51:23] <careta> teraflops, but changing the dpi in xrandr doesn't make any difference
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2236 [17:51:29] <ompaul> WildPenguin: that was GPenguin
2237 [17:51:36] <careta> teraflops, don't I need to restart x to change the DPI?
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2239 [17:51:57] <ompaul> WildPenguin: and that applies across all endevours in life. :-)
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2241 [17:52:40] <WildPenguin> ompaul, what?
2242 [17:52:42] <missmbob> WildPenguin: replaced-url
2243 [17:53:42] <WildPenguin> But, chrome can't be installed in Linux. Or can it be?
2244 [17:53:55] <missmbob> of course it can
2245 [17:53:56] <ompaul> WildPenguin: I said accepting mistakes and learning from them is the best way to progress in life. :-) I'm older than the mountains they say, I'm not sure about that. :-)
2246 [17:54:20] <teraflops> careta: hmm xrandr has a --dpi option, never tried though
2247 [17:54:23] <WildPenguin> ompaul, true.
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2249 [17:55:32] <careta> teraflops, yeah it doesn't work... from what I've read so far it seems changing DPI on the fly for each monitor is impossible on openbox, not sure what gnome or kde are doing
2250 [17:55:37] <careta> if they do it at all
2251 [17:56:06] <teraflops> careta: gnome has thingy iirc
2252 [17:56:20] <teraflops> sorry for being that vague
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2256 [17:56:37] <careta> it's probably in the window manager
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2292 [18:23:19] <chabibi> hi
2293 [18:23:26] <chabibi> why isn't gitlab packaged in debian?
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2298 [18:25:36] <TomTomTosch> it is, just not in stable yet.
2299 [18:25:39] <TomTomTosch> ,v gitlab
2300 [18:25:40] <judd> Package: gitlab on amd64 -- stretch: 8.10.5+dfsg-3; stretch: 8.13.6+dfsg2-2; sid: 8.13.6+dfsg2-2
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2303 [18:25:52] <TomTomTosch> ,checkbackport gitlab
2304 [18:25:53] <judd> Backporting package gitlab in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
2305 [18:26:11] <TomTomTosch> !tell chabibi about ssb
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2307 [18:26:29] <TomTomTosch> chabibi: you can try backporting it yourself.
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2334 [18:39:53] <chabibi> TomTomTosch: I don't find it on sid
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2346 [18:46:24] <TomTomTosch> !debian-next
2347 [18:46:25] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2348 [18:46:28] <TomTomTosch> chabibi: ^
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2350 [18:48:36] <binaryplease> Hi just installed debian server on my odroid, but ping is not working as normal user. ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted
2351 [18:48:42] <binaryplease> it works fine as root
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2370 [18:56:28] <teraflops> binaryplease: you installed debian? I meant real debian?
2371 [18:56:38] <teraflops> mean*
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2374 [18:57:15] <binaryplease> teraflops: the debian for odroid
2375 [18:57:33] <binaryplease> teraflops: this one replaced-url
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2385 [18:59:58] <nikitasius> Hi folks! KVM - hardware virtualization, 1 vCore = 1 Core. OpenVZ - virtual, i.e. 1 Core = 8vCore and openvz admin can have access into ANY VM as root. But what is OpenStock, compared with KVM and OpenVZ?
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2387 [19:01:09] <teraflops> binaryplease: go ask him why ping is not setuid root
2388 [19:01:26] <teraflops> I think…
2389 [19:02:08] <teraflops> binaryplease: or fix it yourself
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2394 [19:03:13] <rozie> or take a look on replaced-url
2395 [19:03:43] <ikus060> nikitasius: You question is not very clear. May you rephrase ?
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2399 [19:07:49] <jelly> binaryplease: sounds like your installation image is badly made. How exactly did you install?
2400 [19:08:03] <heibol> In all my device I always have ignored the ping.
2401 [19:08:09] <jelly> binaryplease: and what does "getcap /bin/ping" say?
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2403 [19:08:41] <binaryplease> jelly: teraflops Yes, I had other issues with the image. I'm just going to get another one and install from scratch
2404 [19:08:52] <jelly> binaryplease: and also "dpkg -S /bin/ping"
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2408 [19:10:08] <jelly> binaryplease: tell the author of the image their filesystem image likely lost extended attributes for linux capabilities
2409 [19:10:34] <jelly> this can be fixed easily post-install
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2411 [19:11:22] <nikitasius> ikus060: hi, nothing to rephrase. So.. finally googled it better and openstock it's a "big box" where you can create vms as kvm or openvz or xen or any others.
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2416 [19:12:07] <Pavr> sure you don't mean openstack?
2417 [19:12:21] <ikus060> nikitasius: When you are make reference to openstock. Do you mean OpenStack ?
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2425 [19:14:26] <teraflops> binaryplease: just reintall ping or fix the permissions. but as I read you that image is a bit ereplaced-url
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2427 [19:15:06] <binaryplease> teraflops: Yeah no point in keeping fighting symptoms. I want to start over clean. But thanks for your help!
2428 [19:15:13] <teraflops> binaryplease: np
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2443 [19:20:31] <heibol> test
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2475 [19:35:01] <feliks> are these kernel parameters unique to arch or are they available in debian as well?
2476 [19:35:04] <feliks> cryptdevice cryptkey (see for comparison: replaced-url
2477 [19:35:06] <feliks> or: what is the debian way of using grub to mount a partition with a key file rather than asking for a password?
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2509 [19:52:58] <jelly> dpkg, tell wildpenguin about firmware images
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2529 [20:01:15] <keasy> replaced-url
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2556 [20:15:04] <TurBoss> Hello
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2563 [20:19:06] <TurBoss> Hi
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2565 [20:19:38] <TurBoss> yes i know
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2580 [20:26:31] <_deb> Hello people)
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2590 [20:29:45] <_deb> Тут кто нить есть
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2609 [20:38:31] <TomTomTosch> !ru
2610 [20:38:31] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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2622 [20:46:16] <Sakarah> Hello, I have a problem with hibernation under Debian Jessie. My computer have a dual-boot with Windows and each time I use hibernation under Debian (with # echo "disk" > /sys/power/state), the next startup is done on Windows without Grub letting me choose the OS while it is naturally on Linux the boot should take place. The hibernation itself is working as expected as the next reboot on Linux properly restore my session. Do you have any idea why is
2623 [20:46:16] <Sakarah> this happening ?
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2652 [21:02:29] <Iridos> Sakarah, there's only one thing that is always booted first by default… and if that's windows for you, it's windows…
2653 [21:02:59] <Iridos> and I don't see wha "naturally" the next boot should be linux… you might be hibernating so you can boot windows and then come back to where you were before you had to switch
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2669 [21:11:49] <gitgud> is there a proper way for server A to check for the availability fo server B throughout a whole month?
2670 [21:11:56] <gitgud> like i want it to check and list ALL downtimes to a file
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2678 [21:15:16] <GPenguin> gitgud: kind of like high availability concepts plain and simple?
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2680 [21:15:35] <teraflops> gitgud: maybe smokeping
2681 [21:15:46] <awal1> Any nice workaround for make "terminator" as a drop-down terminal, guake/tilda/yeahconsole style?
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2685 [21:17:21] <GPenguin> a ping is not enough cause it needs to handle situations where it is down itself, no?
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2689 [21:20:26] <teraflops> smokeping is not just ping
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2693 [21:21:50] <Sakarah> Iridos: I don't understand. If there is only one OS that can be "fastbooted" without getting through the Grub selection why would hibernation set the next boot to use that fastboot process ?
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2695 [21:22:48] <Sakarah> The problem is that I am not given the choixe of the OS on the next boot
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2698 [21:24:21] <Iridos> that's weird… I always get the choice and I pretty much always hibernate
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2705 [21:26:09] <teraflops> Sakarah: windows 8/10?
2706 [21:26:16] <Sakarah> No just 7
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2709 [21:27:29] <teraflops> ah nvm
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2729 [21:35:00] <dontknow> it is being suggested you should stop fast boot in windows 8 - 10 if you have dual boot
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2736 [21:37:48] <teraflops> I was thinking about that dontknow
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2960 [23:29:25] <okee> Can someone help me boot a system that was tarred over from a failing hard drive? on my screen I only see “Boot from CD/DVD”, and the boot doesn’t continue. I have a big mess on my hands.
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2963 [23:29:47] <okee> I bought a portable 1TB SSD for backup, so it might be a good idea to do something with that.
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2972 [23:33:28] <blastwave> my screen resolution on stretch is wrong. Not sure how to change it and perhaps I need an Xorg.conf file. The current /var/log/Xorg.0.log file shows the correct monitor detected and valid modes but I can not set the resolution to 1680x1050. Any ideas ?
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2974 [23:34:47] <Knorrie> whoa, was paste.debian.net just updated to show different kind of links for plain text etc?
2975 [23:35:28] * blastwave scratches head ... goes to look at pastebin
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2982 [23:39:08] <Knorrie> hm, no, for hidden post it's different
2983 [23:39:22] <Knorrie> non-hidden still has the Show as text | Download | Without linenumbers | Paste new | Paste as new
2984 [23:39:34] <blastwave> looks fine to me : replaced-url
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2986 [23:39:51] <blastwave> meanwhile back to my resolution problem on my primary monitor
2987 [23:39:59] <Knorrie> click hidden, then it's different, there's a add comment box suddenly
2988 [23:40:14] <blastwave> Knorrie: not exatly a world stoppage event eh ?
2989 [23:40:25] <Knorrie> no not at all
2990 [23:41:28] <blastwave> hrmm .. I wonder if there is an irc chan for Xorg stuff ...
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2992 [23:41:57] <blastwave> yes there is replaced-url
2993 [23:42:15] <blastwave> okay .. I need to wander over there and see if I can sort out my monitor resolution ..
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2995 [23:42:25] <Knorrie> o/
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2998 [23:43:03] <netmk> okee: might be a good a idea to image that drive somewhere and recover anything you need from the image file
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3001 [23:44:54] <netmk> you can use photorec on the image file after, but it's a bit shitty because it doesn't keep the filenames intact
3002 [23:45:57] <netmk> so.. use 'ddrescue' to image the drive to a file, and play around with the image file from whichever software you have
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3005 [23:46:35] <netmk> good luck ;)
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3010 [23:47:55] <okee> netmk> I bought a 1tb portable backup drive, and I am going to attempt to follow your suggestions
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