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• 3[00:00:51] <DoberMann> LazyAngel: you can try reptyr if already installed
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• 6[00:01:14] <gribouille> hi
• 7[00:01:16] <DoberMann> nice tool to have anyway
• 8[00:01:52] <gribouille> if I modify /etc/resolv.conf, do I have to restart networking?
• 9[00:02:07] <teraflops> gribouille: nope
• 10[00:02:08] <DoberMann> no
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• 13[00:02:31] <gribouille> do the changes take effect automatically?
• 14[00:02:38] <teraflops> yep
• 15[00:02:43] <gribouille> ok thanks
• 16[00:02:49] <Gorwell> Hey, I need to backup my disk. Will I have any issue if I do dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb/disk.img while /dev/sda is mounted?
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• 21[00:03:22] <nkuttler> Gorwell: um... dd isn't really a backup tool.. and certainly not while you write to the disk
• 22[00:03:22] <DoberMann> Gorwell: you will if you want to restore it later ;)
• 23[00:03:36] <nkuttler> Gorwell: just use rsync or something else
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• 25[00:03:53] <DoberMann> does not work for all either
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• 27[00:04:08] <teraflops> Gorwell: yo can but that's not a good idea
• 28[00:04:19] <Gorwell> I don't want to restore it later, but at least be able to access the files
• 29[00:04:21] <Gorwell> thanks
• 30[00:04:30] <Gorwell> so, rsync would be the option
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• 32[00:04:46] <nkuttler> or, just good old tar
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• 35[00:04:54] <DoberMann> i mean if you're out of luck some files won't be readable ;p
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• 37[00:05:08] <teraflops> yeah tar is fine or rsync
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• 41[00:05:51] <Gorwell> thanks, guys
• 42[00:05:52] <Gorwell> :)
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• 57[00:11:12] <disi> sanity check: 1102 perms means "sticky bit + owner execute + world write" correct?
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• 72[00:20:21] <green_tea> hi, new to debian switchover from ubuntu, wondering why my keyring password cannot be accessed when trying to access my root terminal
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• 80[00:25:07] <zykotick9> green_tea: welcome to debian (i made the same switch many moons ago). understand that root is a different user then your regular user (even when using sudo). dunno if that helps? best of luck.
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• 86[00:27:06] <steakwipe> i remember the days before sudo was really around
• 87[00:27:14] <steakwipe> when sudo came around i was stoked
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• 91[00:30:42] <n4dir1> back then, when jesus was a baby.
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• 94[00:31:30] <green_tea> yes but should I not be able to access the room terminal from admin?
• 95[00:31:47] <green_tea> it said I don't know the key passphrase
• 96[00:31:56] <green_tea> I know the root pw and my user pw
• 97[00:32:00] <green_tea> and tried both
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• 105[00:35:44] <n4dir1> in any terminal emulator you can type su and become root?
• 106[00:35:55] <n4dir1> or sudo su, or whatever you use
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• 109[00:37:07] <green_tea> do you need to set a sudo pw first or it is the same as root?
• 110[00:37:26] <n4dir1> sudo uses the users password, as far i can tell.
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• 112[00:37:50] <n4dir1> so no, there sure is nothing to be setup in that regard
• 113[00:39:05] <n4dir1> the user must be part of the sudoers group (or such) and must be setup in the config file, /etc/sudo or such.
• 114[00:39:28] <n4dir1> - /etc/sudoers, edited with visudo
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• 117[00:41:32] <green_tea> ok
• 118[00:43:05] <n4dir1> not that sure. can't recall that i ever used sudo, bout round the lines of that
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• 121[00:44:10] <zykotick9> green_tea: fyi, by default, all you need to do to enable sudo is a) install sudo b) add user to sudo group and c) if logged in currently, logout/back in...
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• 125[00:45:42] <n4dir1> wouldn't know how that should work without editing sudoers file, but hey ...
• 126[00:46:13] <zykotick9> n4dir1: by default the "sudo" group gets sudo access. it's already in sudoers by default.
• 127[00:46:48] <n4dir1> and what commands will it be able to run?
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• 129[00:47:02] * zykotick9 thinks editing sudoers is only for "fine grained" control... ymmv.
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• 131[00:47:29] <zykotick9> n4dir1: anything sudo/root could...
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• 134[00:47:58] <n4dir1> what do you mean? anything sudo can? with sudo you can run certain commands,
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• 136[00:48:07] <zykotick9> n4dir1: it's THOSE sort of controls (per-application/per-user) where sudoers is gold ;)
• 137[00:48:30] <n4dir1> or, if you make it like that (for what reason ever is beyond me) the user can run all commands.
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• 142[00:49:16] <n4dir1> might be debian has changed that, but i am pretty sure you had to edit /etc/sudoers to make it possible to do just anything with sudo
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• 144[00:49:33] <zykotick9> n4dir1: it's changed...
• 145[00:49:33] <n4dir1> would be new then. oh my
• 146[00:49:37] <n4dir1> oh my.
• 147[00:49:52] <zykotick9> like pre-squeeze or so ;)
• 148[00:50:15] <n4dir1> huh? nah.
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• 152[00:52:07] <n4dir1> anyway: if all he has to do is install sudo and add him to the group, he will soon enough figure it out
• 153[00:52:30] <zykotick9> n4dir1: don't forget the log out and back it ;)
• 154[00:52:39] <frazr> writing second ever golang prog, idea is to run this on 80 live sites as root when finished, haha the sweats i'll be having :P
• 155[00:53:30] <frazr> is this a good idea? :P
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• 166[01:03:44] <unborn> any perl gurus here? I cannot figure out how to print date +%Y-%m-%d"T"%H:%M:%S - sorry for off topic
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• 170[01:04:01] <preaction> unborn: why not #perl?
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• 173[01:05:35] <unborn> ah :) thanks!
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• 180[01:11:32] <awal1> green_tea: got it to work yet?
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• 185[01:12:58] <green_tea> ahh not yet still looking into user groups and things
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• 190[01:13:55] <awal1> green_tea, nothing complicated. tell: durring install you have created a root password, regular user and passwor for that user, right?
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• 192[01:14:54] <green_tea> yes
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• 194[01:15:18] <zykotick9> replaced-url
• 195[01:15:20] <green_tea> ahh but also I am on debian-mate
• 196[01:15:29] <zykotick9> ahhhh
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• 198[01:16:03] <awal1> ok, so you have two choices: regular user without root access and us su + root passwd for have root access, or , as regular user, run: adduser your-user-name sudo
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• 200[01:16:30] <zykotick9> oh, mate is a desktop... i was thinking mint DISTRO... so no "ahhh" required :)
• 201[01:16:52] <green_tea> not not just desktop
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• 203[01:17:06] <awal1> log out from your sheell (terminal) and use sudo + your-regular-user-passwod command if you want gain some root rivileges. thats all, grean_tea
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• 205[01:17:30] <green_tea> ok
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• 208[01:18:42] <awal1> if you want more options which can be used with su and sudo, check man sudo - man su
• 209[01:18:55] <green_tea> got it
• 210[01:18:57] <green_tea> thankns
• 211[01:19:14] <green_tea> thanks a lot
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• 213[01:21:21] <unborn> preaction: great advice, thank you very much! I will soon publish git repo for keepassx csv import converter for any csv.. I was stuck as I do not use keepass2.
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• 218[01:22:12] <teraflops> green_tea: btw man pages are the first place to look at, not the last, it will save you from so much hassle
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• 221[01:23:07] <awal1> green_tea, don't edit /etc/sudoers via visudo, unless you know what you do. for standard use, you are done with I told you.
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• 226[01:25:17] <awal1> and, if you switched from ubuntu to debian, you should know that debian isn't ubuntu, don't just follow ...buntu's tutorials and stuff and you apply them in debian, check debian info, docs... first
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• 228[01:26:29] <green_tea> true I'm reading that info thanks
• 229[01:26:43] <frazr> :P
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• 231[01:27:23] <zykotick9> !dontbreakdebian
• 232[01:27:23] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, dont break debian is replaced-url
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• 234[01:27:54] <awal1> green_tea, ^ is for you :P
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• 236[01:28:58] <green_tea> thanks guys
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• 240[01:32:59] <zykotick9> green_tea: <sidenote> its more then just "guys" in debian irc channels! saying "thanks" works even better...
• 241[01:33:39] * zykotick9 notes he is a male... it was just a <sidenote>
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• 243[01:33:43] <teraflops> zykotick9: yeah lot of kittens too
• 244[01:35:01] <zykotick9> teraflops: i don't like cats... so you point out all the kittens in #d to me - 'cause i'm gonna be rude to them!
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• 247[01:35:22] <teraflops> :S
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• 257[01:42:09] <stimp> lukkan
• 258[01:42:28] <stimp> solus kevin
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• 269[01:54:26] <awal1> green_tea, I forgot: for be able to run "adduser your-username sudo" you have to be root. so first: "su + your-root-passwd" then "adduser your-username sudo"
• 270[01:54:50] <awal1> nobody have noticed that :(
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• 299[02:15:39] <JohnA> where can I find dnssec-keymgr, it is part of Bind 9.11 but I would like to try it out.
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• 357[02:52:33] <WildPenguin> hello...
• 358[02:52:41] <WildPenguin> hello, ikonia...
• 359[02:53:08] <bazhang> WildPenguin, ?
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• 362[02:53:25] <WildPenguin> hi bazhang, how are you?
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• 373[02:57:50] <nmschulte> Does anyone deal with Microsoft's Skype for Business (Lync, Office Communicator, ?) and Debian / GNU/Linux? I need to use this software for certain duties at my place of employment, but so far I've turned up squat outside of booting Windows.
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• 377[03:00:02] <somiaj> nmschulte: I think the prefered way is to use the new skype webapp. Their old linux packages aren't really supported anymore afiak.
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• 379[03:01:32] <nmschulte> somiaj: So, the business that pays for this uses Office 365 integration of some sort; when I try to "use the Lync web app", it fails -- the web app is an ActiveX app, I suppose, and not an HTML5 / cross-platform application.
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• 381[03:02:06] <somiaj> afiak there is some cross platform app, but I don't know much about it, and it really isn't supported here.
• 382[03:02:12] <nmschulte> I've managed little success jumping around these hoops (e.g. Use Firefox, which has "more compatibility"), but I think basically every feature is crippled, including authentication (I can "be a guest"), and video / screen-share.
• 383[03:02:25] <somiaj> you may have to go read up on their app for support.
• 384[03:02:26] <missmbob> i doubt it's activex. edge doesn't support activex
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• 387[03:02:36] <nmschulte> somiaj: thanks. Where do users go when they're forced into these crappy situations, for support?
• 388[03:02:57] <missmbob> you could run a thin windows vm
• 389[03:03:17] <DarinMiller> use skype for buisiness on Android. It works fairly well most of the time.
• 390[03:03:24] <nmschulte> I'm guessing then that the situation is simply horrible, and what I've managed is as far as anyone. I know there's some SIPE stuff in libpurple/pidgin, but I don't think that implies video/voice/conference or anything.
• 391[03:03:34] <nmschulte> DarinMiller: now there's an idea; thank you!
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• 393[03:04:02] <nmschulte> I will look into using QEMU w/ Android x86 and that app.
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• 395[03:04:11] <DarinMiller> You can even pinch to zoom if you need to expand desktop sharing during meetings.
• 396[03:04:12] <nmschulte> (Or maybe even I don't need QEMU?)
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• 398[03:04:54] <nmschulte> Side-note: I (we) have managed to get most of the interaction done via e.g. replaced-url
• 399[03:05:13] <nmschulte> I appreciate the help! I know it's a crap question to support, but it's the reality of using Debian in a business/corporate env.
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• 407[03:08:01] <somiaj> nmschulte: replaced-url
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• 413[03:11:42] <nmschulte> somiaj: yes, I did similar research and exploration late last year; I played w/ user-agent switching to get as far as "sign in to conf as guest to listen to audio"; couldn't share video/audio or view shared video or any of the other good stuff.
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• 415[03:11:56] <nmschulte> I will play more w/ Edge, though -- I didn't find that article in my searches.
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• 417[03:12:31] <nmschulte> I should note, though, that Skype and Skype for Business mainly just share a moniker.
• 418[03:12:46] <awal1> nmschulte: firefox, standard version, not esr, have a feature called "firefox hello", it does almost the same as appear.in. I tried it like 2 years ago and it worked just fine, it may be much better now
• 419[03:12:55] <nmschulte> Or at least, historically, that's been the case; Microsoft does seem to be pushing to move all of Lync/Office Communicator/etc. to Skype.
• 420[03:13:51] <nmschulte> awal1: nice, thanks! I'm fighting corporate practice/bureaucracy here, though, not the "what tools work?" issue.
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• 423[03:14:35] <nmschulte> I'll have to play w/ that later; it may be a good alternative to appear.in, which has shown some bugs across platforms lately.
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• 425[03:16:33] <missmbob> "Hello will be removed from Firefox when version 49 is released on September 20, 2016"
• 426[03:17:43] <nmschulte> Hah, already gone then. Thanks anyway.
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• 433[03:28:21] <hvpc> how can i check version in backports ? aptitude show -t jessie-backports, just shows version from main repository
• 434[03:29:40] <dvs> hvpc, apt-cache policy ?
• 435[03:29:49] <LtL> hvpc: apt-cache policy packagename
• 436[03:29:58] <dvs> liar!
• 437[03:30:00] <dvs> ;-)
• 438[03:30:09] <LtL> dvs: you win.. again
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• 440[03:30:51] <dvs> !prise dvs
• 441[03:30:51] * dpkg forcibly removes dvs from dvs's keyboard
• 442[03:31:15] <LtL> heh
• 443[03:31:30] <LtL> !praise dvs
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• 448[03:34:59] <hvpc> thanks
• 449[03:35:08] <dvs> yay
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• 453[03:35:46] <aipa13> hola
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• 464[03:40:22] <papi83dm> morning
• 465[03:40:37] <papi83dm> are there any downside for upgrading from wheezy to jessie
• 466[03:40:56] <papi83dm> is it recommend to install jessie fresh and migrate the data or can I just upgrade from wheezy?
• 467[03:41:09] <dvs> papi83dm, you have to decided if you want systemd or not.
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• 471[03:41:37] <dvs> papi83dm, you can just upgrade but it's a good idea to read the release notes first.
• 472[03:41:46] <papi83dm> what's systemd
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• 474[03:41:57] <dvs> dpkg, tell papi83dm about systemd
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• 480[03:43:48] <papi83dm> looks like I want systemctl
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• 483[03:44:28] <papi83dm> i have a lot of data and thought the upgrade was the easier way
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• 485[03:44:38] <papi83dm> I guess I would have to backup my data and do a clean install
• 486[03:44:49] <dvs> why?
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• 490[03:46:53] <papi83dm> I think I read somewhere that is not recommended to do an upgrade
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• 492[03:47:13] <dvs> No, that's not true.
• 493[03:48:49] <dvs> Backups are still a good idea, though
• 494[03:48:59] <nmschulte> papi83dm: make sure you read the release notes / upgrade notes, and you should be set. If you see anything you don't like, depending on what it is, it _may_ be less work to get Debian configured as you prefer, via a fresh install, but that's in the weeds.
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• 505[03:53:45] <papi83dm> i'm doing it on a test server, isn't this the command to upgrade it? apt-get dist-upgrade
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• 508[03:55:59] <nmschulte> papi83dm: I believe w/ apt-get, yes that's correct.
• 509[03:56:12] <papi83dm> yeah I was missing the repo
• 510[03:56:15] <papi83dm> I just added them
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• 512[03:57:21] <nmschulte> aptitude uses `full-upgrade` (and exposes a `safe-upgrade`), which are like apt-get's `dist-upgrade.
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• 518[04:02:23] <awal1> nmschulte, w/
• 519[04:03:14] <awal1> your w/ is curious :P
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• 522[04:04:18] <nmschulte> w/ => with
• 523[04:04:24] <nmschulte> w/o => without
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• 526[04:05:53] <awal1> i got since the beginning but never seen that :D
• 527[04:06:02] <awal1> got it
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• 542[04:12:17] <nmschulte> awal1: glad I could help, :)
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• 560[04:22:13] <blastwave> hey .. when I run apt-get update on my stretch server I see Hit:1 replaced-url
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• 562[04:23:45] <somiaj> blastwave: that is the file it is getting.
• 563[04:24:14] <somiaj> oh yea, it might be part of the freeze, getting it ready for stable.
• 564[04:24:55] <somiaj> blastwave: replaced-url
• 565[04:25:13] <blastwave> cool .. all I wanted to know
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• 567[04:25:23] <blastwave> things are in the final stretch ( pun intended )
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• 570[04:27:43] <somiaj> well this seems to be more about apt, and less about the release, i think sid would give the same thing.
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• 573[04:28:17] * blastwave *shrug* I am just happy that stretch is very very close
• 574[04:28:39] <somiaj> yea the final freeze I think is still the fifth.
• 575[04:28:56] <somiaj> of feb
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• 580[04:32:49] <nmschulte> Dare I join #systemd or ##systemd to ask about a Debian-ism incited Q?
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• 582[04:33:17] <bazhang> debian uses systemd
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• 584[04:33:32] <bazhang> perhaps you are thinking of devuan
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• 586[04:33:47] <nmschulte> How can I configure systemd to _not_ attempt to unlock a drive specified in /etc/crypttab?
• 587[04:33:50] <somiaj> if you asked here and got little response, that channel is a good place for debian specific things.
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• 589[04:34:32] <nmschulte> (Debian's decrypt_derived script, used in conjunction w/ Debian's keyscript= option (4th column) seems to unlock the disk properly, but systemd/systemd-cryptsetup still prompts for a passphrase for it at boot.)
• 590[04:35:15] <somiaj> well you shouldn't be cross posting, but you may find some help in systemd
• 591[04:35:17] <nmschulte> These seem like relevant bug reports: replaced-url
• 592[04:35:18] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 593[04:36:03] <nmschulte> I have not yet cross-posted, just know that certain things like this tend to get shut down quickly, due to "that's not upstream, for a reason" kind of stuff. But, the "ignore this line in /etc/crypttab" is not a Debianism.
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• 595[04:36:29] <somiaj> aren't you talking about similar issues in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 599[04:37:40] <nmschulte> Indeed, yes now I have sort of crossed the streams, though my specific questions do indeed relate to the channels I asked them in.
• 600[04:38:01] <nmschulte> I mean, the one in debian-next, was sid specific, and this is not.
• 601[04:38:29] <somiaj> still it is cross posting, maybe those involved in helping you would have more insight instead of us asking what the question was.
• 602[04:38:30] <bazhang> 'crossed the streams'
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• 606[04:38:48] <bazhang> thats like ghostbusters
• 607[04:38:51] <somiaj> since you are in debian-next I would keep your discussion there (even if it is more debeian in general)
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• 609[04:38:57] <SomeUnknownNamex> Hey
• 610[04:39:06] <bazhang> bad idea to crosspost as well
• 611[04:39:42] <nmschulte> noted -- apologies. I imagine I'll end up in #/##systemd in the end. thanks for the insight!
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• 613[04:40:22] <SomeUnknownNamex> can someone help a newb like me trying to install nethogs and find out whats killing my bandwidth but I get an error and don't know too much about how to work around it.
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• 615[04:41:12] <somiaj> ,v nethogs
• 616[04:41:13] <judd> Package: nethogs on amd64 -- jessie: 0.8.0-1; wheezy: 0.8.0-1; jessie-backports: 0.8.1-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.8.5-2; sid: 0.8.5-2
• 617[04:41:16] <somiaj> !bat
• 618[04:41:16] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 620[04:41:42] <somiaj> SomeUnknownNamex: provide the info the bot listed, including the command you typed, the output of the command and the apt-policy lines
• 621[04:41:53] <SomeUnknownNamex> sure i think its a bug in the version that does install though
• 622[04:42:00] <SomeUnknownNamex> so i needed help with manually doing a package i guess
• 623[04:42:17] <somiaj> SomeUnknownNamex: what version of debian are you running?
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• 625[04:44:25] <SomeUnknownNamex> Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 (jessie)
• 626[04:45:23] <somiaj> SomeUnknownNamex: well provide the output. These errors shouldn't happen in jessie unless you start mixing things (though sometimes jessie-backports packages can cause issues and I noticed this has a backported version
• 627[04:46:05] <SomeUnknownNamex> replaced-url
• 628[04:46:19] <SomeUnknownNamex> You can see that I got it installed, and this is a known issue, but I have no clue how to get the latest version of NetHogs installed
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• 630[04:46:52] <somiaj> SomeUnknownNamex: ahh, well you made it sound like your error was installing nethogs. Have you searched for that error in google?
• 631[04:46:59] <SomeUnknownNamex> I guess that apt-get installs Nethogs 0.8.0
• 632[04:47:14] <SomeUnknownNamex> Yes I need to get Nethogs 0.8.1 but I always run into issues trying to get it installed as this is not my forte by any means
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• 635[04:48:36] <somiaj> the issue you are having is probably not due to the version though.
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• 638[04:50:24] <somiaj> I do see something saying a newer version may solve this. anyways, apt-get -t jessie-backports install nethogs
• 639[04:51:40] <SomeUnknownNamex> A new one will work but I don't know how to install it :/
• 640[04:51:53] <somiaj> !jessie-backports
• 641[04:51:53] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
• 642[04:52:07] <somiaj> SomeUnknownNamex: I told you the command to type, if you don't have jessie-backports enabled follow the bots instructions
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• 648[04:55:14] <SomeUnknownNamex> I don't have it enabled so lets see.
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• 650[04:56:10] <SomeUnknownNamex> Adding it to my sources list now
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• 652[04:58:56] <SomeUnknownNamex> replaced-url
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• 664[05:05:14] <SomeUnknownNamex> anyone?
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• 666[05:06:00] <Atm0spher1c> preferred way to always have a clean chroot? just keep one tar gzipped?
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• 668[05:06:23] <somiaj> Atm0spher1c: you could use pbuilder
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• 671[05:08:01] <themill> Atm0spher1c: sbuild with aufs or overlayfs
• 672[05:08:25] <themill> (or lvm if you've got the space)
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• 676[05:09:28] <Atm0spher1c> I just don't want to download packages over agian constantly. pbuilder says it uses a local mirror. that might work
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• 678[05:09:53] <somiaj> Atm0spher1c: pbuilder also uses it's cache so it shouldn't need a local mirror.
• 679[05:10:43] <somiaj> Atm0spher1c: each one of my chroots has all the .deb files installed that they have used which gets copied to /var/cache/apt/archives when running I belive.
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• 688[05:13:04] <stephanie92> hello
• 689[05:13:22] <proletariat> stephanie..who the fuck are you
• 690[05:13:29] <Atm0spher1c> somiaj: my var partition is full i need to resize it probably
• 691[05:13:52] <somiaj> or check why, sometimes logs blow up, see if any logs are taking up to much space
• 692[05:13:52] <stephanie92> proletariat: this guy
• 693[05:14:02] <Atm0spher1c> somiaj: its apt cache
• 694[05:14:16] <somiaj> Atm0spher1c: that as well. (:
• 695[05:14:17] <Atm0spher1c> somiaj: its 2.7g only too
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• 697[05:14:19] <proletariat> stephanie..are you some Nazi bitch in the crowd saying murder Anne Frank so our Nazi sons can have more land
• 698[05:14:38] <proletariat> stephani..who the fuck are you?
• 699[05:15:42] <bazhang> proletariat, wrong channel
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• 701[05:17:21] <proletariat> bazhang...i hardly think so...debian went to great pains to provide a build for pcsxr to support final fantasy 9 so people could see what the proletariat who could not afford a ticket to the show...had to endure
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• 703[05:17:40] <themill> Atm0spher1c: I point sbuild/pbuilder/etc at apt-cacher-ng
• 704[05:17:54] <proletariat> bazhang...or have you never heard of final fantasy #9
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• 706[05:18:44] <proletariat> and the softness and warmth of Princess Garnett's badonkadonk
• 707[05:18:54] <themill> proletariat: that's quite enough, thanks
• 708[05:18:59] <Atm0spher1c> themill: cool thanks
• 709[05:19:02] <bazhang> proletariat, thats not topical here ever
• 710[05:19:43] <proletariat> bazhang...ask me if i give a fuck about what you thieving crooked nigger dick suckin girl murdering bastards think is topical
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• 717[05:22:45] <nmschulte> SomeUnknownNamex: it looks like your issue was resolved; I would start looking into how to use nethogs -- I'm not familiar, personally.
• 718[05:22:55] <SomeUnknownNamex> Wasn't resolved
• 719[05:23:02] <SomeUnknownNamex> Getting all kinds of errors as shown in the link above
• 720[05:23:15] <SomeUnknownNamex> Unable to replicate by the guy who manages the project so I just gave up on it
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• 722[05:23:29] <SomeUnknownNamex> Trying to find whats consuming all this bandwidth
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• 725[05:24:31] <nmschulte> SomeUnknownNamex: I didn't follow the whole log, but indeed it looks like the issue wasn't w/ the install -- the error(s) is (are) different now, though, so that's postiive.
• 726[05:24:49] <SomeUnknownNamex> Well I checked the GitHub for people reporting same issues and there was no fix
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• 728[05:24:56] <nmschulte> I assume there's some sort of permissions error -- did you restart the system between this? Again, this looks like nethogs specific issues, but of course I could be wrong.
• 729[05:25:06] <SomeUnknownNamex> Nope didn't.
• 730[05:25:16] <nmschulte> Sorry, :/.
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• 732[05:25:23] <SomeUnknownNamex> This machine consumed 250GB of BW
• 733[05:25:29] <SomeUnknownNamex> (with VNC closed)
• 734[05:25:34] <SomeUnknownNamex> Something not right for sure
• 735[05:25:47] <SomeUnknownNamex> But meh, ill just try re-installing OS and just hope it was something that was on the machine
• 736[05:25:49] <nmschulte> I look to my NAT/routing device for bandwith issues; it tells me src and dest.
• 737[05:26:07] <nmschulte> SomeUnknownNamex: you may want to try the program iftop -- it shows bandwidth per TCP (and UDP?) connections.
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• 739[05:26:19] <SomeUnknownNamex> I was hoping to get process name
• 740[05:26:41] <nmschulte> SomeUnknownNamex: you can use netstat, w/ the info from iftop (if iftop won't tell you the proc name), and find the PID, and then the program.
• 741[05:27:07] <nmschulte> Assuming the BW is incurred at a TCP level, of course.
• 742[05:27:10] <SomeUnknownNamex> ah
• 743[05:27:39] <nmschulte> w/ that much BW, though, you might even be able to look at the CPU or other resource load for the processes to narrow down suspects.
• 744[05:27:57] <nmschulte> "250GB of BW" is wrong, over what time frame?
• 745[05:28:08] <SomeUnknownNamex> 100GB in just a few hours
• 746[05:28:11] <SomeUnknownNamex> For reference
• 747[05:28:12] <SomeUnknownNamex> :/
• 748[05:28:45] <nmschulte> That's ~50 Mb/s or so.
• 749[05:29:00] <nmschulte> (assuming raw transport values; no compression etc.)
• 750[05:29:14] <SomeUnknownNamex> Yeah, im sure it will get suspended anytime now
• 751[05:29:34] <nmschulte> Good luck w/ iftop!
• 752[05:29:38] <SomeUnknownNamex> Thanks
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• 793[06:08:55] <WildPenguin> hello, has anybody here used Antix Linux? or is aware of it?
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• 795[06:09:33] <missmbob> !antix
• 796[06:09:34] <dpkg> antiX is a live CD distribution based on <MEPIS>. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
• 797[06:10:24] <WildPenguin> ok. A friend of mine told me about it and that it is a debian stable based distro.
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• 803[06:16:06] <WildPenguin> can we expect the same stability in debian based distro as in debian?
• 804[06:16:30] <themill> You'd have to ask them
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• 807[06:17:28] <WildPenguin> although I prefer Debian, because of the community support, that was just a casual question.
• 808[06:18:33] <WildPenguin> You always have someone online here if you get into any problems.
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• 810[06:19:08] <WildPenguin> that is not the case in many of the distro. Probably, they don't has large enough communities.
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• 814[06:26:48] <Eduard_Munteanu> WildPenguin, some are derived from Debian unstable
• 815[06:27:20] <WildPenguin> ok. But, I asked about debian stable based distros.
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• 983[08:51:54] <skell> hello i tried to install mysql5.7 with mysql-apt-config_0.8.1-1_all.deb now it is broken ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
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• 1051[09:45:24] <camh> can anyone point me at a debian live image (no gui needed) that has UEFI boot? Instructions for making my own are not clear
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• 1076[10:06:08] <spacebug^> camh: replaced-url
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• 1081[10:07:16] <camh> spacebug^: is that the regular debian live? because they dont have uefi boot
• 1082[10:08:55] <camh> yeah, just checked the sha1 - I've already got that one but it is legacy bios boot
• 1083[10:09:17] <spacebug^> oh
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• 1085[10:09:21] <themill> there are no uefi d-live images
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• 1105[10:19:30] <demo> hello...
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• 1108[10:20:13] <demo> the system lock in MX Linux 16 doesn't seem to work. Just wanted to report it.
• 1109[10:20:14] <camh> themill: I know there's no official ones, but I'm asking here to see if anyone can point me at one they have made
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• 1416[13:29:17] <mzf> How can i use another mirror of debian archive in installer when installing using netinst iso?
• 1417[13:29:47] <mzf> I mean one that is not already in listed mirror archives
• 1418[13:30:04] <Penix> mzf: by using the first entry in the list
• 1419[13:30:22] <Penix> lets you specify a mirror
• 1420[13:30:25] <mzf> oh my bad
• 1421[13:30:30] <mzf> thanks Penix
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• 1439[13:47:01] <mrproper> I can’t seem to start NTP using systemctl start ntp or ntp.service. Am I doing something wrong
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• 1443[13:48:10] <x37> im running debian wheezy and im trying to install qt5. i added "deb replaced-url
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• 1447[13:50:31] <yottanami_> I just installed Debian on my laptop I have Windows on it too. but in fdisk -l I have this error replaced-url
• 1448[13:50:39] <yottanami_> Partition 2 does not start on physical sector boundary.
• 1449[13:50:53] <yottanami_> What is wrong in my partitioning and how should I fix it?
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• 1452[13:52:05] <x37> nvm, i found the issue
• 1453[13:52:06] <themill> x37: did you apt-get update?
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• 1472[13:58:55] <ElDiabolo> Hi. Is there a hotkey in gnome/mate/xfce that unblanks the screen? Since moving to stretch my laptop screen goes blank after an unpredictable amount of tiem and does not unblank. Alt+Print+K kills X, but I would prfer to simply unblank the screen.
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• 1475[13:59:44] <ElDiabolo> Pressing an arbitrary key does not unblank the screen.
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• 1478[14:00:20] <mRCUTEO> hi
• 1479[14:00:36] <mRCUTEO> anyone knows how to install gnome in debian 8?
• 1480[14:00:44] <mRCUTEO> i can't gnome in debian 8..
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• 1482[14:01:01] <ElDiabolo> mRCUTEO, use tasksel (from the command line)
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• 1484[14:01:17] <x37> so im back. i figured out the installation of qt5-default but when trying to run a ./configure i still an error saying its not found. is there a step i missed?
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• 1487[14:01:45] <mRCUTEO> ElDiabolo: yes i use tasksel but still when i reboot and try to start gnome startx an error occured saying X11 can't be found
• 1488[14:01:47] <Penix> x37: what are you trying to do? built a qt app from source?
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• 1490[14:01:58] <themill> x37: qt5-default isn't development headers
• 1491[14:02:00] <mRCUTEO> ElDiabolo: apt-get install gnome command sufficient?
• 1492[14:02:38] <themill> x37: the full output might be more enlightening
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• 1494[14:02:59] <ElDiabolo> mRCUTEO, Don't know, but this looks like a different problem. Is any other desktop (mate, xfce) working?
• 1495[14:03:16] <mRCUTEO> ElDiabolo: nope
• 1496[14:03:23] <mRCUTEO> ElDiabolo: all not working
• 1497[14:03:37] <mRCUTEO> ElDiabolo: they wont boot up and login screen grey screen only
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• 1501[14:04:02] <ElDiabolo> mRCUTEO, Is this a fresh install? How did the problem start?
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• 1503[14:04:30] <mRCUTEO> ElDiabolo: yes fresh install debian 8.5 jessie
• 1504[14:04:42] <mRCUTEO> sorry 8.4
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• 1506[14:04:52] <x37> Penix, im trying to install a warzone2100, getting tons of errors and having to go back and install tons of packages
• 1507[14:05:07] <themill> mRCUTEO: did you use tasksel?
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• 1509[14:05:17] <mRCUTEO> themill: yes
• 1510[14:05:28] <ElDiabolo> mRCUTEO, What graphics card? Paste lspci | grep VGA
• 1511[14:05:36] <mRCUTEO> i just run tasksel and choose gnome and gnome desktop
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• 1514[14:06:03] <ElDiabolo> mRCUTEO, This should work.
• 1515[14:06:08] <x37> themill, im not sure about the importance of development headers. here is the full output: replaced-url
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• 1518[14:06:21] <mRCUTEO> 06:04.0 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Electronics Systems Ltd. MGA G200eW WPCM450 (rev 0a)
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• 1520[14:07:03] <mRCUTEO> ElDiabolo: after installation the tasksel just closed and thats it.. i reboot.. but gnome login screen wont appear..
• 1521[14:07:07] <mRCUTEO> just grey screen
• 1522[14:07:10] <ElDiabolo> mRCUTEO, Use a pastebin to give us your /var/log/Xorg.log.0
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• 1527[14:08:12] <mRCUTEO> ElDiabolo: im currently trying reinstalling...
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• 1529[14:08:18] <mRCUTEO> will try tasksel
• 1530[14:08:23] <mRCUTEO> again..
• 1531[14:08:26] <mRCUTEO> thanks for the info
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• 1533[14:08:50] <themill> ElDiabolo: warzone2100 is already packaged; using the packages would be a good start... or at least looking at their build dependencies
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• 1536[14:10:52] <x37> themill, already packaged? i have a tar.xz. i found some link online that said i could just get a .deb, but i didnt see it or
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• 1540[14:11:42] <ElDiabolo> mRCUTEO, Reinstalling is rather a windows way. It tends not to work on linux system.
• 1541[14:12:02] <mRCUTEO> ElDiabolo: You mean under terminal?
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• 1543[14:12:14] <Penix> x37: apt-get install warzone2100
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• 1547[14:13:11] <x37> Penix, what do i need in my sources.list? i have wheezy-backports and wheezy-update
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• 1549[14:13:59] <ElDiabolo> mRCUTEO, Not sure what happened, if tasksel did not complete correctly, apt-get install -f might help (or at least give a helpful output)
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• 1551[14:14:25] <mRCUTEO> ElDiabolo: okay thanks for the help
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• 1553[14:16:01] <themill> x37: it's probably time to run a supported release...
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• 1555[14:18:34] <x37> themill, ?
• 1556[14:18:42] <x37> themill, im not sure what you mean
• 1557[14:18:52] <Penix> x37: you're running an old release
• 1558[14:19:02] <Penix> x37: jessie is current stable
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• 1562[14:19:45] <x37> can i easily upgrade? or id have to completely reinstall?
• 1563[14:20:06] <x37> i hate all these issues? will that make them go away?
• 1564[14:20:09] <Penix> yes, you can upgrade
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• 1566[14:20:30] <x37> il look into it
• 1567[14:20:32] <x37> thanks
• 1568[14:20:37] <ElDiabolo> mRCUTEO, Actually without success ... :/
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• 1577[14:25:03] <mRCUTEO> ElDiabolo: whats not success? what you mean :)?
• 1578[14:25:37] <ElDiabolo> mRCUTEO, You do not have working graphics.
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• 1580[14:26:52] <mRCUTEO> ElDiabolo: oh but i tried install centos and gnome and it works great but not in debian :(
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• 1582[14:27:21] <themill> You need to give us some more information about what isn't working
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• 1585[14:28:54] <at0m> mRCUTEO: running a matrox g200, do you have xserver-xorg-video-mga installed?
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• 1590[14:29:49] <mRCUTEO> at0m: not sure will try to check now
• 1591[14:29:49] <at0m> mRCUTEO: and firmware-misc-nonfree, as per "apt show firmware-misc-nonfree | grep -i matrox"
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• 1613[14:46:02] <kardborren> Hi all maintainers, here's a new terminal emulator that might be nice to put into our repo: replaced-url
• 1614[14:46:31] <themill> dpkg: tell kardborren about rfp
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• 1619[14:47:48] <kardborren> dpkg: tell themill thank you
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• 1651[14:58:39] <mikejw> help I can't get my debian install to boot after insalling windows on another partition :/
• 1652[14:58:44] <mikejw> *istalling
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• 1654[14:58:47] <mikejw> **installing
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• 1657[14:59:16] <at0m> mikejw: windows doesn't "see" your debian installation. reinstall grub from debian boot medium.
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• 1659[14:59:50] <at0m> mikejw: /msg dpkg help
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• 1661[14:59:53] <at0m> oops
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• 1663[15:00:12] <mikejw> I've been trying that
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• 1666[15:01:07] <at0m> dpkg: tell mikejw about dual boot guide
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• 1673[15:03:21] <ElDiabolo> Is there any way to turn screen blanking off (on stretch)? Besides the usual energy otptions in the GUI?
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• 1689[15:14:41] <mikejw> I'm going crazy with this... I'm going to try booting from supergrub disk
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• 1693[15:18:19] <mikejw> damn does supergrub help reinstalling over the MBR? I've finally got back into my debian install with it but it would be nice to make it permanant
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• 1701[15:20:24] <nkuttler> mikejw: man grub-install ?
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• 1703[15:21:09] <nkuttler> mikejw: how do you break your booting in the first place?
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• 1706[15:21:33] <mikejw> I installed windows 8
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• 1709[15:22:18] <nkuttler> yeah, grub-install should do the trick
• 1710[15:22:30] <mikejw> I've tried chrooting and doing that to no avail
• 1711[15:22:43] <mikejw> but I'll have ago after fulling booting from the linux system
• 1712[15:22:54] <mikejw> *fully
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• 1715[15:23:06] <kardborren> themill: I submitted the RFP, thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
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• 1722[15:25:54] <mikejw> nope hasn't worked!
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• 1724[15:26:15] <mikejw> looks like I'll be booting via my CD drive for the time-being :(
• 1725[15:27:12] <nkuttler> mikejw: which command did you use, and how does it not work?
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• 1727[15:27:50] <mikejw> I ran update-grub followed by grub-install
• 1728[15:28:19] <nkuttler> and what was the output?
• 1729[15:28:20] <mikejw> and it doens't work because when the machine boots there is no grub menu it boots straight to the windows partition
• 1730[15:28:30] <mikejw> it said there were no errors
• 1731[15:28:40] <nkuttler> what kind of errors
• 1732[15:28:48] <mikejw> *no* errors
• 1733[15:29:01] <nkuttler> grub-install needs a device as argument
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• 1735[15:29:37] <mikejw> ok but I've tired that before specifying /dev/sda
• 1736[15:30:01] <nkuttler> you only have one disk?
• 1737[15:30:34] <mikejw> I thought you needed to specify the drive rather than the partition?
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• 1739[15:30:49] <mkwia> what stage is stretch testing at?
• 1740[15:30:50] <nkuttler> right
• 1741[15:30:57] <nkuttler> /dev/sda is the disk your bios boots?
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• 1745[15:35:57] <mikejw> nkuttler: yes
• 1746[15:36:21] <mikejw> should I try grub-install specifying the partition that debian is on?
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• 1748[15:36:43] <mikejw> I.e. grub-install /dev/sda2 ?
• 1749[15:37:11] <nkuttler> mikejw: no, the drive
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• 1760[15:40:26] <mikejw> yeah well that's not working
• 1761[15:40:28] <mikejw> damn
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• 1767[15:41:47] <Rephlexie> mikejw, what machine is it?
• 1768[15:42:07] <mikejw> HP Envy dv6
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• 1939[17:10:08] <likcoras> Hi. When connecting to a server in irssi, it freezes completely, after printing "Irssi: Connecting to chat.freenode.net [35.156.219.172] port 6697" until (I assume) it has finished connecting.
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• 1941[17:10:15] <likcoras> Is this normal?
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• 1955[17:16:23] <fp7> that does not sound like normal behavior
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• 1962[17:20:57] <AlexLikeRock> abrotman, hellow
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• 1966[17:21:25] <TomTomTo1> likcoras: yes, it takes a while. ask #freenode for further information.
• 1967[17:21:50] <likcoras> TomTomTo1: eh, I mean the client completely freezes. Doesn't regiter inputs at all.
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• 1969[17:23:17] <TomTomTo1> likcoras: no, that doesn't sound right. are you using the version of irssi in jessie? you could try the one in backports and compare.
• 1970[17:23:40] <likcoras> Huh, I see.
• 1971[17:23:44] <likcoras> Will try
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• 2008[17:40:31] <GPenguin> strange. i keep reading that people use "systemctl" but it seems to work when i use "service". could somebody explain?
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• 2010[17:41:41] <iflema> buys more time?
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• 2025[17:49:54] <ompaul> systemctl works on all things systemd service if it isn't a sys v init calls systemctl I don't know about the other way around ... oh and ... well ... man systemctl has lots of good reading in it also as does man service actually there is a nice link at the end of the systemctl page
• 2026[17:50:01] <ompaul> GPenguin: ^^
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• 2036[17:55:35] <GPenguin> ompaul: thank you!
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• 2050[18:00:40] <lopiuh> Hi there, need help witl read fs array [read -ra GBL_function_array_return <<<$(echo "$IN_strings")] someone?
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• 2062[18:10:18] <lopiuh> anyone here?
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• 2065[18:11:58] <teraflops> ._.
• 2066[18:12:09] <AlexLikeRock> ^_^
• 2067[18:12:18] <teraflops> AlexLikeRock: o/
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• 2069[18:14:10] <WildPenguin> why doesn't Debian make itself more beginner friendly? the way Mint does.
• 2070[18:14:42] <AlexLikeRock> WildPenguin, debian focuse at STABLE DISTRO, not friendly
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• 2072[18:15:05] <AlexLikeRock> next question WildPenguin
• 2073[18:15:27] <AlexLikeRock> STABLE and SECURE
• 2074[18:15:45] <WildPenguin> With such a large and knowledgeable community, it can easily surpass Windows, if it makes itself more appealing to beginners.
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• 2077[18:16:10] <towo`> on which part debian is beginner unfriendly?
• 2078[18:16:11] <at0m> WildPenguin: email the manufacturers to open up their hardware
• 2079[18:16:12] <WildPenguin> No doubt about that. It is STABLE and SECURE.
• 2080[18:16:33] <phogg> WildPenguin: That's not what the Debian project is or cares about. If you think it's a worthy goal form a company that uses Debian as its base and fills in whatever pieces you think are missing. SHuttlerworth did that, which is how we got Ubuntu.
• 2081[18:16:57] <WildPenguin> ok.
• 2082[18:17:13] <phogg> or just start a project and attract volunteers
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• 2084[18:17:38] <lopiuh> where can I talk about a regression in "read"
• 2085[18:17:42] <WildPenguin> Can't even imaging comparing Windows and Debian, in the matters of stability and security.
• 2086[18:17:50] <babilen> lopiuh: #bash comes to mind
• 2087[18:17:56] <TomTomTo1> the project is very much interested in being accessible and friendly to users. and i think it is. if you see room for improvement there are mailing lists to discuss ideas.
• 2088[18:18:09] <AlexLikeRock> Miscrosoft take control of ubuntu :-(
• 2089[18:18:10] <WildPenguin> I totally agree with that.
• 2090[18:18:25] <lopiuh> @babilen: thanks
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• 2092[18:18:33] <lopiuh> #bash
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• 2095[18:18:42] <WildPenguin> What? No. that shouldn't happen.
• 2096[18:18:55] <AlexLikeRock> WildPenguin, de big difference tis windows are PRE-INSTALLED at pc/ laptops
• 2097[18:19:06] <AlexLikeRock> debian not
• 2098[18:19:21] <WildPenguin> ok
• 2099[18:19:24] <amcorreia> I have a wireless intel 8260, I installed firmware-iwlwifi from backports and didn't work, also try to downwload firmware from wireless.kernel.org...Any thing else I should try?
• 2100[18:19:32] <nezZario> Hey guys, anyone here familiar with CloudInit ?
• 2101[18:19:48] <towo`> amospalla, after installing the firmware, you have rebootet?
• 2102[18:20:03] <nezZario> I am wondering -- with the 'multipart/combined' files, .. can you actually include a bunch of partial cloud configs ?
• 2103[18:20:28] <amcorreia> I think you meant, me? Yes, i`ve rebooted.
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• 2105[18:20:54] <towo`> amcorreia, dmesg | grep -i firm
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• 2107[18:21:49] <towo`> amcorreia, and maybe you should even install the kernel from backports
• 2108[18:21:56] <amcorreia> towo`, replaced-url
• 2109[18:22:21] <towo`> amcorreia, so it seems you need the kernel from backports too
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• 2111[18:22:37] <amcorreia> towo`, let me try..
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• 2137[18:36:00] <russelsteapot> if i want to use cryptsetup to encrypt an external hard drive, should i give it an LVM partition just like you would the disk that is hosting the linux OS?
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• 2140[18:37:00] <amcorreia> towo`, you were right, just needed kernel from backports too
• 2141[18:37:02] <amcorreia> thx
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• 2148[18:39:49] <amcorreia> but docker stopped to work
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• 2151[18:41:17] <qman__> russelsteapot: generally, for external drives, LUKS is the way to go, which utilizes LVM - by using LUKS most distros know what to do with it and if you have the software, they'll even prompt you via GUI to unlock the drive automatically
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• 2155[18:44:48] <zykotick9> qman__: "LUKS.. which utilizes LVM" <- it certainly doens't have to. for external drive i creat a luks mount then format it with ext4 no partitioning at all...
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• 2168[18:54:57] <russelsteapot> zykotick9, qman__ so I dont even need to partition the device? I can give it an ext4 format, then encrypt it, and thats it?
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• 2171[18:55:41] <qman__> russelsteapot: you don't have to partition it but I recommend partitioning it, as partition tools might corrupt your data if you don't
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• 2173[18:56:07] <qman__> but you have it backwards, you first (optionally) create a partition, then encrypt the partition, then format the encrypted volume with your chosen filesystem
• 2174[18:56:09] <zykotick9> russelsteapot: other way around. encrypt then format. you end up with a sdx vs sdx# as your mount... which is "uncommon" but works fine... ymmv ;)
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• 2176[18:56:58] <zykotick9> russelsteapot: example "luksOpen /dev/sdb sdb" "mount /dev/mapper/sdb /foo" type thing...
• 2177[18:57:20] <qman__> in my opinion, losing the ~1MB or so of space to partitioning is worth not having to hassle with tools that aren't smart enough to deal with unpartitioned disks
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• 2181[18:58:21] * zykotick9 notes he ONLY uses this for external / storage ONLY drives... for installs he uses the default encrypted-lvm option...
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• 2183[18:58:46] <teraflops> partitionless is fine but I think you may encounter issues (I never found any)
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• 2186[18:59:15] <russelsteapot> well, i dont think im going to be using this external with anything other than my home comps that all run debian anyway, so i guess partitionless would be fine....
• 2187[18:59:18] <teraflops> s/found/faced/g
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• 2189[18:59:37] <qman__> the issues aren't from normal operation, they happen if you try to use a recovery or partitioning tool that isn't smart enough to leave it alone
• 2190[18:59:48] <russelsteapot> teraflops, oh if only sed worked in irc
• 2191[18:59:55] <teraflops> ot dual booting with windows lol
• 2192[18:59:58] <teraflops> or*
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• 2194[19:00:10] <qman__> yeah, windows will try to get you to wipe it at every opportunity
• 2195[19:00:21] <teraflops> lol
• 2196[19:00:37] <russelsteapot> qman__, ah ok i see the advantage now
• 2197[19:00:52] <qman__> also, for example, if you accidentally try to install grub to the disk, that will ruin a whole disk volume and won't ruin a partitioned volume
• 2198[19:02:09] <teraflops> talking bout sed, new upstream version claims to be x10 faster :P
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• 2201[19:02:19] <zykotick9> qman__: if you're writing grub to the wrong location... you've got bigger issues. BUT that is an intersting point.
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• 2203[19:02:41] <qman__> so, to me, 1MB of space isn't worth the potential hassles, it's completely insignificant
• 2204[19:02:53] <teraflops> installing grub in a partition wont harm I think
• 2205[19:02:57] <teraflops> won't
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• 2207[19:03:21] <qman__> if you luks encrypt a whole disk, then put a volume on that, installing grub to that disk will destroy the encrypted volume
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• 2209[19:03:33] <teraflops> qman__: ah well
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• 2213[19:05:28] <russelsteapot> zykotick9, qman__ ok, so I wrote out the steps that I think I need to follow based upon what you just told me, could you double check this and see if there is anything i am missing/didnt understand? replaced-url
• 2214[19:05:58] <qman__> that's still not correct
• 2215[19:06:52] <qman__> 1. use gdisk to create your GPT paritition 2. Use cryptsetup to encrypt your new partition with a LUKS volume 3. Use mkfs to create a filesystem on your new LUKS volume
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• 2221[19:08:49] <qman__> russelsteapot: lots of detailed information on how to use cryptsetup here: replaced-url
• 2222[19:08:51] <ddybing> Hi! Not sure if I am in the right channel, but I have some questions about resizing a partition in Debian?
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• 2225[19:09:07] <qman__> russelsteapot: not debian specific, applies to cryptsetup on any distro, archwiki just has a really nice write up on it
• 2226[19:09:20] <russelsteapot> awesome, thx much qman__ ill start reading
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• 2228[19:10:40] <ddybing> I've resized a partition using parted, and it shows up in parted as the correct size now, but when running command df it shows up as its previous size.
• 2229[19:10:57] <ddybing> Also shows up as previous size when mounting it and sharing it trough smb
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• 2232[19:11:07] <qman__> ddybing: to resize a disk, you must first resize the paritition (which you've done) but then you must resize the filesystem
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• 2235[19:11:13] <qman__> ddybing: with ext2/3/4 that's resize2fs
• 2236[19:11:27] <ddybing> qman__: Ah, I see. Thank you! :)
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• 2239[19:12:16] <qman__> ddybing: that's how it goes with a grow, with a shrink, you have to shrink the filesystem first, then the partition; I usually do those in 3 steps, shrink filesystem smaller than I want, shrink partition to desired size, grow filesystem to partition size
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• 2245[19:12:39] <qman__> ddybing: and if you use LVM that adds extra steps
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• 2249[19:14:17] <ddybing> qman__: Worked brilliantly. Thank you! Not using LVM on this disk - fortunately :-)
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• 2256[19:17:31] <russelsteapot> qman__, sry to bug you again, so at the end of the day the disk will only have 1 partition, being the GPT parition, correct?
• 2257[19:17:43] <qman__> russelsteapot: correct
• 2258[19:18:03] <qman__> then luks will exist on top of that partition, and your filesystem will exist on top of luks
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• 2260[19:18:43] <wulllst> Hi, I just go a new wifi usb stick and connected to my home network from my debian machine. This works. I just wondered about one thing. This is an encrypted connection (wpa2). However, when i run iwconfig, I see "Encryption key:off" for my wifi device, while "iwlist scan" gives me "Encryption key:on". Why could that be?
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• 2263[19:19:10] <russelsteapot> qman__, thx again, uff, so many things about disks and OSes that i still dont know...
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• 2290[19:39:37] <thereyouare> anyone knows free dnstunnel services ? so I can have free internet ?
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• 2308[19:50:30] <tdn> My machine just crashed (panic). After I powered off and booted again, I was prompted with a Windows error saying: "Error: Windows failed to start. A recent hardware or software change might have caused the issue after you install Windows Updates
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• 2311[19:51:15] <tdn> However, I do never use Windows even though Win7 is installed on this machine. I only ever boot Debian 8. Now. I cannot seem to get Grub to appear.
• 2312[19:51:43] <Riku> crash combo heh
• 2313[19:51:55] <Riku> hmm windows may have overwritten the MBR somehow
• 2314[19:52:02] <tdn> I have no idea how this happened. The machine came with Win 7 preinstalled (Lenovo workstation). And I figure that Win7 has some hook in the bios that is triggered on unclean shutdown.
• 2315[19:52:17] <tdn> However, now it boots into this Window fail screen instead of GRUB.
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• 2317[19:52:25] <Riku> if you never use Windows, then why didn't you install over it?
• 2318[19:52:26] <tdn> Riku, but Windows was never started though.
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• 2320[19:53:24] <missmbob> !fixmbr
• 2321[19:53:25] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
• 2322[19:53:33] <tdn> Riku, because I figured I might need it because of an accounting program that I used sometimes back then. After a short while, I figured I could just use VirtualBox in linux so never booted Windows for several years.
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• 2324[19:54:07] <Riku> rescatux can reinstall grub as well
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• 2326[19:54:23] <tdn> missmbob, I did boot up on the debian install usb. I then went to alt+F2 and typed: mount -t ext4 /dev/sda1 /mnt, and it failed. No such file...
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• 2330[19:54:55] <missmbob> sda1 would probably be windows anyway
• 2331[19:55:06] <tdn> missmbob, tried sda1..5
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• 2334[19:55:19] <tdn> missmbob, and sdb1..5
• 2335[19:55:21] <missmbob> then your hd probably bit it
• 2336[19:55:27] <tdn> missmbob, bit it?
• 2337[19:55:30] <bub_> there are no sdx there?
• 2338[19:55:35] <bub_> /dev/sdx ..
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• 2340[19:55:47] <bub_> err.. sda, sdb..
• 2341[19:55:52] <tdn> bub_, find /dev/sda1,2,etc says that it IS there.
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• 2343[19:56:08] <bub_> and /mnt is there? :D
• 2344[19:56:10] <sdx23> bub_: surely am I here!
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• 2346[19:56:14] <tdn> bub_, /mnt is there also
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• 2349[19:56:41] <bub_> what does fdisk say?
• 2350[19:56:51] <tdn> bub_, no fdisk in that busybox
• 2351[19:56:57] <tdn> bub_, nor lsblk
• 2352[19:57:36] <tdn> This is the screen I get replaced-url
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• 2355[19:59:19] <win32> Hi here =) any help how to convert my IP to my hostname!
• 2356[19:59:24] <abrotman> DNS
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• 2358[19:59:49] <bub_> tdn, so you're using a rescueusb of some sort?
• 2359[19:59:58] <tdn> bub_, debian isntall cd as the dpkg bot said
• 2360[20:00:00] <win32> i have edited /etc/host IP - > domain
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• 2362[20:00:05] <win32> stil not working =D
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• 2365[20:00:41] <bub_> tdn, and there's way to run fdisk there? what kind of rescue is that.. why don't you try a linux live usb of some sort, and have a look
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• 2367[20:01:01] <tdn> bub_, which one
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• 2370[20:03:24] <bub_> I don't know.. but did you google the error you get when you try to mount?
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• 2374[20:03:49] <tdn> bub_, I google the error and get a WHOLE LOT of stuff from microsoft
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• 2380[20:05:13] <bub_> I'm thinking of the 'no such file' .. or whatever error you get when you try to mount
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• 2383[20:08:00] <tdn> bub_, I use LUKS. Not sure if that causes problems.
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• 2385[20:08:08] <tdn> bub_, /boot should be clear text and mountable, though
• 2386[20:08:16] <tdn> bub_, but everything else is LUKS
• 2387[20:08:43] <tdn> sync
• 2388[20:08:50] <tdn> Sorry, wrong terminal
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• 2399[20:13:33] <tdn> Just downloaded a bigger debian live cd. What is default root password?
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• 2401[20:13:54] <somiaj> tdn: just use sudo
• 2402[20:14:04] <somiaj> tdn: sudo su -, then set your own password.
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• 2427[20:25:57] <tdn> I just checked lsblk/fdisk on debian livecd. It simply does not see my primary disk.
• 2428[20:26:01] <tdn> It is not present at all.
• 2429[20:26:17] <tdn> The secondary data disk is there. But the primary one (an OCZ SSD) is simply not present.
• 2430[20:26:19] <jhutchins> win32: What are you actually trying to do?
• 2431[20:26:30] <tdn> Just checked the BIOS. It is not present in there either.
• 2432[20:26:37] <tdn> Is this a normal failure mode for an SSD?
• 2433[20:26:42] <win32> jhutchins: wanna my IP from to make with my DNS name example.domain.com
• 2434[20:27:02] <win32> jhutchins: i have change /etc/host IP -> dnsname
• 2435[20:27:07] <win32> stil not working.
• 2436[20:27:15] <jhutchins> tdn: Try lspci
• 2437[20:27:18] <tdn> I opened the case and checked all SATA and powercables. Everything was put in tight. I replugged the ones on the missing disk. Still not present in either debian live or BIOS
• 2438[20:27:27] <somiaj> tdn: sometimes it is just a bad cable.
• 2439[20:27:47] <tdn> jhutchins, pci? Is SATA on the PCI bus?
• 2440[20:27:59] <somiaj> tdn: others it is a bad controler on the drive, rarely is it a single bad sata port, but that is also a possiblity.
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• 2442[20:28:10] <somiaj> tdn: there is also lshw.
• 2443[20:28:16] <jhutchins> tdn: If it's not showing up in the BIOS then it's not there. Dead.
• 2444[20:28:41] <jhutchins> win32: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead?
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• 2446[20:29:17] <jhutchins> win32: Your hostname and your IP are two different things.
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• 2448[20:30:02] <jhutchins> win32: You set the hostname with the hostname command, your IP is either configured in the interfaces file or via DHCP, or sometimes by Network Manager.
• 2449[20:30:05] <tdn> somiaj, not there in lshw nor in lspci
• 2450[20:30:11] <win32> 89.36.211.6 win32.jakujam.org
• 2451[20:30:11] <win32> root@win32:~#
• 2452[20:30:28] <win32> any tutorial ? jhutchins .
• 2453[20:30:36] <jhutchins> win32: You can put a hostname/IP adddress pair in /etc/hosts and the resolver will be able to find the IP for the hostname.
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• 2456[20:31:14] <blastwave> is there a chan to ask about compiling the linux stable kernel? I ran into a seg fault very early in the compile stage
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• 2465[20:32:06] <somiaj> blastwave: complining it on debian? Have you followed the advise in the debian handbook?
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• 2467[20:32:18] <jhutchins> win32: replaced-url
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• 2470[20:33:05] <blastwave> somiaj: well generally yes
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• 2472[20:33:34] <blastwave> somiaj: this is just an experimental meachine and it has worked well with five or ten linux kernel releases for months and months
• 2473[20:33:37] <blastwave> until today
• 2474[20:33:54] <blastwave> somiaj: currently running Linux vesta 4.8.12_genunix_201612084055234 #1 SMP Thu Dec 8 06:37:45 EST 2016 x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 2475[20:34:22] <blastwave> somiaj: just tried a compile of 4.9.1 with the same .config file .. a few adjustments .. nothing fabulous ..
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• 2477[20:34:34] <blastwave> somiaj: and 2 minutes in .. whammo .. seg fault
• 2478[20:34:48] <jhutchins> win32: If you want to resolve just "win32", put that by itself on the same line in the hosts file.
• 2479[20:35:11] <jhutchins> win32: To test resolving it, you can ping win32, dig win32, or host win32.
• 2480[20:35:22] <blastwave> so I see a chan over at irc.oftc.net called #kernelnewbies so I will go bother folks there
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• 2488[20:38:43] <jhutchins> lspci just shows the sata controllers, not the devices themselves.
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• 2497[20:41:16] <win32> jhutchins: thnx
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• 2500[20:42:05] <jhutchins> win32: Happy learning!
• 2501[20:42:15] <win32> jhutchins: hope :D
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• 2579[21:15:59] <dan-bunsenlab> hi can anyone guide me after remotely updaating a rpi via ssh then disconnecting after a reboot of my machine i get a pop up window telling me a about the Rpi update how can i remove this information window?
• 2580[21:16:35] <somiaj> dan-bunsenlab: are you running raspbian?
• 2581[21:16:49] <dan-bunsenlab> on the ssh host pi
• 2582[21:17:26] <dan-bunsenlab> after disconnet and reboot of the client machine i get an information window telling me about the rpi update
• 2583[21:17:56] <dan-bunsenlab> it has seem to saved oldconfigfiles to my home folder
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• 2585[21:18:09] <dan-bunsenlab> so i deleted that and still get the info window
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• 2588[21:19:46] <cjh2201> Alright, question
• 2589[21:19:58] <cjh2201> Is anyone with a new install having trouble with signed certificates?
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• 2591[21:20:24] <nkuttler> cjh2201: trouble?
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• 2593[21:21:06] <cjh2201> correct, nkuttler
• 2594[21:21:19] * awal1 thinks that pdfchain (gtk front-end for pdftk) is a great tool for work with pdf files (split...) :P
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• 2596[21:21:26] <cjh2201> install a few days old, all sites I attempt to visit run into certificate problems
• 2597[21:21:32] <cjh2201> Checked the certs, they're basically current
• 2598[21:21:39] <cjh2201> can post info if required
• 2599[21:21:59] <nkuttler> cjh2201: chromium?
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• 2601[21:22:19] <cjh2201> any browser actually
• 2602[21:22:25] <GNU\colossus> is your host's clock/local time OK?
• 2603[21:22:29] <cjh2201> currently Dillo, Conkeror
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• 2605[21:22:32] <cjh2201> no, come to think of it
• 2606[21:22:38] <cjh2201> If that's the cause I
• 2607[21:22:43] <cjh2201> *I'm going to be highly upset
• 2608[21:22:48] <GNU\colossus> ;)
• 2609[21:22:50] <GNU\colossus> check it
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• 2613[21:23:53] <somiaj> cjh2201: do you have security sources enabled. What is the outout of apt-cache policy chromium?
• 2614[21:24:20] <nkuttler> somiaj: they said all browsers
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• 2616[21:24:44] <somiaj> ,v firefox-esr
• 2617[21:24:45] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.3.0esr-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 45.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 45.6.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 45.6.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 45.6.0esr-1; stretch: 45.6.0esr-1
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• 2619[21:25:00] <cjh2201> Any browser I use will put up a "invalid cert" prompt
• 2620[21:25:10] <cjh2201> I've updated the time/date (it was 2012, lol)
• 2621[21:25:13] <cjh2201> Let me retry
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• 2625[21:26:45] <luffy> if i have a running console application in a server machine that outputs progress to standar output. How can I monitor that progress from ssh? (Consider the application is started from a terminal in the server machine)
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• 2628[21:27:10] <nkuttler> luffy: the easiest it to start it inside screen/tmux
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• 2630[21:28:13] <cjh2201> well hot damn, thanks a ton GNU\colossus
• 2631[21:28:24] <cjh2201> that fixed it. I didn't consider that affecting certs
• 2632[21:28:26] <GNU\colossus> you're welcome
• 2633[21:28:39] <nkuttler> cjh2201: yeah, certs expire, etc
• 2634[21:28:57] <luffy> nkuttler: thanks i just read about that tool and wasn't sure if that was posible
• 2635[21:28:58] <cjh2201> They were up-to-date according to ca-certificates but it must have been the clock messing with them
• 2636[21:29:02] <GNU\colossus> correct system time is a fundamental ingredient for verifying TLS certificate validity
• 2637[21:29:08] <cjh2201> neat
• 2638[21:29:10] <cjh2201> thanks again
• 2639[21:29:15] <GNU\colossus> np
• 2640[21:29:19] <nkuttler> !tell cjh2201 about set time
• 2641[21:30:24] <luffy> nkuttler: The application I'm running it's programmed by my. Is any way I can make a native way of comunicating to it? like a local socket or a stream?
• 2642[21:30:55] <nkuttler> luffy: just make a logfile? or a named pipe, or...
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• 2644[21:31:29] <nkuttler> luffy: or do you mean communicate both ways?
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• 2646[21:32:38] <luffy> nkuttler: mmm let's just say only in one way. my app only outputs log lines
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• 2648[21:33:07] <luffy> nkuttler: also it should always run, for days
• 2649[21:33:26] <nkuttler> luffy: i'd probably just use a logfile. gives you a history for free
• 2650[21:33:27] <armin> urxvt: No possible fonts! at /home/armin/.urxvt/ext/font-size line 401.
• 2651[21:33:31] <armin> damn i solved this once
• 2652[21:33:35] <armin> anyone a clue what i'm missing?
• 2653[21:33:43] <luffy> nkuttler: i want to be able to connect by ssh to the server and check the output from time to time
• 2654[21:33:55] <nkuttler> luffy: tail -f /path/to/logfile
• 2655[21:34:07] <thereyouare> this is a mad house
• 2656[21:34:12] <thereyouare> let me out
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• 2658[21:34:12] <jhutchins> luffy: Run it in screen or tmux, or have it write it's output to a logfile.
• 2659[21:34:35] <luffy> nkuttler: so there is no problem even if the file is still open and being writen to by the app?
• 2660[21:34:54] <nkuttler> luffy: no
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• 2703[21:55:30] <feliks> are these kernel parameters unique to arch or are they available in debian as well?
• 2704[21:55:51] <feliks> cryptdevice cryptkey (see for comparison: replaced-url
• 2705[21:56:44] <feliks> or: what is the debian way of using grub to mount a partition with a key file rather than asking for a password?
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• 2727[22:07:51] <zuzzas> Hey, guys. Are context switches counted in the SYS CPU time?
• 2728[22:08:08] <awal1> Which pkg is needed for make my debian detect my android phone when plugged, so auto-mounted so I can transfer stuff (debian «---» phone) within x file manager (pcmanfm)?
• 2729[22:08:49] <awal1> well, installing 'gvfs-backends' solves the situation; but I tought there maybe another way (?)
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• 2732[22:10:21] <jhutchins> !encryption
• 2733[22:10:22] <dpkg> Encryption is useful to keep data protected on your system. There is a nice guide on how to use LVM encrypted partitions at replaced-url
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• 2735[22:11:17] <jhutchins> awal1: Kindof depends on the phone, they're not all the same.
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• 2737[22:11:49] <jhutchins> awal1: Looking at what dmesg says when you connect it can give you some clues.
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• 2740[22:13:13] <awal1> jhutchins: no clue here, no much idea about phones. I just know that when I plug my google nexux android phone, debian doesn't detect it at all; but installing gvfs-backend all fine now
• 2741[22:13:26] <awal1> ok, next time I check dmesg; havent had that idea before
• 2742[22:13:53] <awal1> gvfs-backends
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• 2745[22:16:11] <teraflops> awal1: because gnome uses gvfs for mounting mtp volumes
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• 2749[22:17:37] <awal1> teraflops: I just use openbox, and a few other wm's, not gnome. I know gvfs-backends is gnome related, that's why I asked if there is another way
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• 2758[22:20:47] <teraflops> awal1: sorry I missed context I just joined
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• 2762[22:21:39] <awal1> np, teraflops
• 2763[22:21:42] <teraflops> awal1: yeah I think so, not sure if I also missed that you already read replaced-url
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• 2767[22:22:41] <teraflops> mtpfs works for me too
• 2768[22:22:59] <awal1> teraflops, ok, thanks for the link
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• 2775[22:24:11] <teraflops> np
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• 2787[22:30:55] <Gilfoyle-> Bah, screw broken packages. >_>
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• 2804[22:39:12] <shazzr> Anyone know of a simple tutorial to install the twitter client corebird? Tried to install fom github, but was stopped by a gettext package that wasn't the preferrable version...
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• 2830[22:46:19] <jordanblabla> hi everyone is it possible to run apt-get offline?
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• 2832[22:46:35] <jordanblabla> like downloading the packages, then lateron install them?
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• 2842[22:51:44] <siiky> -d flag
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• 2844[22:52:30] <dvs> oh... flag.
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• 2846[22:52:34] <dvs> ;-)
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• 2849[22:53:55] <siiky> lol what? did i miss something?
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• 2873[23:02:14] <jscoder> I can't find a passwords and keys setting in mate, does anyone know what package may need to be installed for the keyring control panel in mate?
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• 2880[23:04:26] <abrotman> Was it maybe Seahorse in Gnome2?
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• 2890[23:06:52] <oaps> hello!
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• 2896[23:08:16] <oaps> i have a server with encrypted swap (cryptswap1 /dev/mapper/server-swap_1 /dev/urandom swap,cipher=aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 in /etc/crypttab) and after an upgrade to jessie it prompts for a password on boot, even though i have a key file set. how do i prevent that?
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• 2904[23:11:36] <jscoder> abrotman: hmm, that may be right, I thought seahorse was something else.. getting it confused with seamonkey.. I'll try that.
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• 2908[23:13:04] <jscoder> dpkg operations nearly kill this machine. Its a Celeron M 1.8ghz w/ 1gb ram, and I can hardly do anything on the system while dpkg is running
• 2909[23:13:04] <dpkg> jscoder: what are you talking about?
• 2910[23:13:12] <jscoder> heh, not you
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• 2913[23:13:54] <oaps> jscoder: what filesystem?
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• 2915[23:14:14] <jscoder> ext4
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• 2917[23:14:39] <oaps> ah. dpkg + btrfs is pretty horrible on slow machines, but i've never used ext4.
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• 2919[23:15:12] <jasabella> if you had two disks and didnt particularly care about the data, would you RAID1 or RAID0 them?
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• 2921[23:15:15] <jscoder> well I should also mention the HDD is sata but connected via usb.. so..
• 2922[23:15:27] <jscoder> thats probably the real issue
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• 2940[23:22:11] <jscoder> it just took me 8 minutes to change my terminal color and another minute to close the dialogs. heh
• 2941[23:22:28] <jscoder> its probably the usb killing it, this is undoubtedly usb 1.1 on here
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• 2948[23:24:12] <jscoder> its really annoying but this particular machine has no sata interface so I guess there's not anything I can do about it. Takes forever to install packages. I don't understand it because I get data speeds of up to 25mb/s on the drive
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• 2962[23:26:41] <abrotman> jasabella: how much is "don't care" ?
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• 2967[23:30:01] <jscoder> apparently the amount of I/O during dpkg is reaching the bandwidth limit of the usb bus or something, hanging me up in kernel land on io waits
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• 2980[23:35:04] <jscoder> jasabella: raid 0 is mirror and both offers redundancy for data protection as well as improves speed of access of the data, where as raid 1 is basic striping which increases storage size. So in Raid0 with two 1tb drives, you end up with a fast 1tb storage that can tolerate a 1 disk failure without loss, and with Raid1 you get a slower 2tb storage that cannot tolerate a disk failure without loss
• 2981[23:35:46] <jscoder> well thats not entirely accurate.. Raid1 isn't exactly the same as lvm
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• 2983[23:36:09] <digdilem> i think you'e got 1 and 0 reversed there
• 2984[23:36:14] <Rune> isnt it opposite? raid 1 mirror, raid 0 stripe?
• 2985[23:36:17] <Rune> yeh
• 2986[23:36:30] <jscoder> oh really? doh!
• 2987[23:36:39] <digdilem> :)
• 2988[23:36:41] <Rune> go fix your servers, they are off by 1 :p
• 2989[23:36:42] <Rune> :D
• 2990[23:37:34] <jscoder> yeah I have no servers, so I'm good
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• 2993[23:38:29] <jscoder> but yes, you are right Raid1 is mirror, Raid0 is striping, I remembered wrong. Raid0 is somewhat similar to simply lvm two disks together though
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• 2996[23:39:19] <jscoder> as far as storage size and failure tolerence is concerned
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• 3001[23:40:02] <Fayn> i'm running Debian 8 in systemd-nspawn container using host's X server and pulseaudio. idea is to test certain wine program but it crashes shortly after startup to this error < dri2_util.c:199: isDRI2Connected: Assertion `dri_state->base.fd >= 0' failed. >. is it possible to somehow force software mode in libva, as i think its graphics driver acceleration related error?
• 3002[23:40:06] <jscoder> so in short, the simple answer is, if you don't care about the data and want more storage you go Raid0
• 3003[23:41:01] <abrotman> you have to not care 100% (or have other ttypes of backups), if you lose a single drive in RAID0, you lose your data
• 3004[23:41:17] <Fayn> graphical programs like xclock work just fine
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• 3006[23:42:28] <jscoder> yeah, I personally don't even like large single disks much less large multiple disks.. too much to lose in one place. I like raid 5 usually, its a compromise between the two but requires at least 3 disks
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• 3009[23:43:22] <jscoder> you get I believe n-1 storage with a one disk fault tolerence, iirc
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• 3014[23:44:57] <JohnA> Does anybody know if it is possible to extract "dnssec-keymgr" from bind9 9.11 and run it under stretch?
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• 3016[23:45:52] <jasabella> hmmm i absolutely dont care about the data on the server :)
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• 3019[23:47:13] <jscoder> jasabella: well as I said Raid0 is the dont care option, but as abrotman points out if either disk fails you lose everything
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• 3022[23:48:02] <jscoder> jasabella: raid 1 would improve your speed and give you fault tolerance at the cost of half the storage space
• 3023[23:49:52] <jscoder> JohnA: I got no clue what you're talking about, I interpret this to mean you want to run some package from another branch, which is possible with either a backport or a chroot. If you were to dumb it down or rephrase maybe I could be of more help
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• 3039[23:55:42] <jscoder> hmm.. well $@#! heh.. turns out seahorse was the app I was looking for to fix this keyring dialog issue but I have no idea what its got the login keyring passwd set to currently. Doesn't seem to be the login password
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• 3042[23:57:30] <awal1> How to reinstall x pkg and all it's deps & recommends? reinstall pkg A and B (dependency) and C (recommend)
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• 3049[23:59:06] <jscoder> awal1: short of removing it and reinstalling it there isn't a way. Doing what you propose would require that something kept track of which recommend/suggest you had installed and there isnt any such log
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• 3051[23:59:26] <jscoder> I always thought it'd be a good idea for the system to keep a log of what was installed and when, but it doesnt
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• 3053[23:59:58] <somiaj> jscoder: what makes you think it doesn't. apt-get and aptitude both keep logs
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