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• 10[00:04:05] <bkeys> I hate debian, I _hate_ debian, I _*hate*_ debian, I _*HATE*_ debian
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• 23[00:08:21] <dvs> du hast nicht
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• 25[00:08:38] <AlexLikeRock> du
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• 28[00:08:51] <AlexLikeRock> R+
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• 37[00:13:00] <teraflops> so much hate what a sad life
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• 50[00:19:13] <pingouin> see you #debian
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• 67[00:28:52] <zuiss1> can anyone explain how i'd add this repo to debian? replaced-url
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• 69[00:29:14] <zuiss1> it says they have a debian repo but when i copy "deb" and that URL to my sources.list, i can't do a succesful apt-get update
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• 71[00:30:04] <tables> how can i create a debian livecd?
• 72[00:30:09] <tables> however i want it, with my packages and configs, etc.
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• 75[00:30:38] <Anselmo> you mean just like, a portable debian (say on a usb disk) ?
• 76[00:31:01] <mephage> How can I enable VNC during debian installation?
• 77[00:31:16] <zuiss1> in #matrix
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• 92[00:36:38] <CoolManBs> I have a question : I am testing ready to use virtual box of debian 8.5. However it doesnt come with sudo installed, and the packages system does have an error in \etc\apt\sources.list pointing to a CD-ROM drive, but without sudo I am unable to edit the file. is there any work around for this problem?
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• 94[00:38:48] <towo`> and from where you get that "ready-to-use" vbox?
• 95[00:39:04] <missmbob> use the root account/password to install sudo
• 96[00:39:16] <dvs> and to edit the sources.list
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• 101[00:40:45] <CoolManBs> I got it from virtualboxes org but the packages is not configured properly and asks me for a CD-Rom every time I try to install a new package
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• 103[00:41:35] <missmbob> they must've listed the root passsword somewhere and you missed it
• 104[00:41:45] <CoolManBs> i have it
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• 106[00:41:51] <towo`> you have what?
• 107[00:41:59] <CoolManBs> i have the root pass
• 108[00:42:07] <towo`> if you have the root password, why you need sudo?
• 109[00:42:13] <towo`> learn the basics!
• 110[00:43:13] <dvs> I use sudo and have the root password
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• 113[00:44:52] <CoolManBs> i need to edit the sources.list , but in order to do that must type "sudo gedit \etc\apt\sources.list" if I get it correct
• 114[00:45:10] <CoolManBs> otherwise it opens it read only
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• 116[00:45:18] <dvs> CoolManBs, not if you are root
• 117[00:45:27] <missmbob> and it's / not \
• 118[00:45:33] <CoolManBs> I got it
• 119[00:45:38] <CoolManBs> I will try
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• 121[00:46:59] <CoolManBs> i am a beginner but I really forgot the basics .. thanks for your help, and sorry for the stupid question
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• 127[00:48:53] <Phanes> can i get a feel for why debian dropped LSB?
• 128[00:49:04] <Phanes> was there a public discussion where this was decided that i can read?
• 129[00:49:16] <dvs> !lsb
• 130[00:49:17] <dpkg> i heard lsb is Debian is dropping LSB support; see replaced-url
• 131[00:49:23] <dvs> ha
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• 133[00:49:47] <Phanes> thanks
• 134[00:50:17] <dvs> no prob
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• 136[00:50:39] <atomi> is there a way to kill a background process started using ```mybin & anotherbin``` without kill
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• 139[00:52:10] <dvs> bg then ^C?
• 140[00:52:19] <dvs> sorry fg then ^C
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• 142[00:52:35] <atomi> fg
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• 144[00:52:36] <atomi> yeah
• 145[00:52:42] <atomi> dvs, thanks
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• 147[00:52:47] <dvs> no prob
• 148[00:52:59] * dvs must be on something
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• 190[01:17:27] <GI_Jack> I got a question, I have an /30 and a /29 network assigned to be on a single router port. Both are going to a single machine. the /29 is behind the /30 in the router's routing table
• 191[01:17:35] <GI_Jack> how do I set this up in debian
• 192[01:17:49] <GI_Jack> double plus good: the /29 needs to be on a xen bridge
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• 206[01:25:10] <mingdao> I have noticed this message a few times, but none of my internet searches have led to a fix: replaced-url
• 207[01:25:15] <mingdao> Only hits I did see have user root in similar issue, and no fix other than some guy reinstalling his system a few times.
• 208[01:25:39] <Barabacha> Hello, does anyone here use Debian exclusively in text mode? without GUI? any tips for a noob? for example I've been using Lynx but it renders everything as plain text on black background, not even different background colors for different sections of a webpage, is there a better web browser?
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• 212[01:28:05] <n4dir> elinks is sure more intuitive, but i wouldn't know if you can set colors
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• 219[01:31:16] <n4dir> you might wanna look at something like "screen" or "vtwm" or "tmux" to split the screen
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• 223[01:32:36] <n4dir> for more you would need to say more detailed what you need help with, Barabacha
• 224[01:33:46] <n4dir> ah, gpm for a mouse like thing in tty.
• 225[01:34:52] <Barabacha> n4dir: most importantly - is it a good idea to use Linux in text mode? I decided to use text mode because I figured that would be the best way to learn command lines but seeing how little progress I made over past 2 days I'm not so sure about it anymore
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• 227[01:35:24] <Barabacha> for example, it took me 2 days to figure out copying and pasting, that I need to install GUI screen and the use 5 different hotkeys to make it work heh
• 228[01:35:52] <n4dir> Doing as much as possible in a terminal-emulator still in X, mainly filemanaging stuff, should be enough. imho
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• 230[01:37:02] <n4dir> otoh: if being forced to use the cli, i tend to search more ...
• 231[01:38:01] <n4dir> 2 days is not that much. Give yourself more time. If it annoys you too much: imho you can learn a lot cli stuff even when using the GUI for stuff where it makes sense (webbrowsing being the obvious )
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• 235[01:39:31] <n4dir> but don't take my word for it. just a random guy from the internet with "opinions".
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• 247[01:45:19] <n4dir> i like the application "tilda" a lot. It is a drop-down terminal emulator, so i have it running all the time, no matter on which desktop i am, i hit F1 and got access to the terminal.
• 248[01:45:42] <bazhang> ,v guake
• 249[01:45:43] <judd> Package: guake on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.4.3-3; jessie: 0.4.4-1; stretch: 0.8.8-1; sid: 0.8.8-1
• 250[01:46:05] <n4dir> just wanted to say that there are different ones of that kind :-)
• 251[01:46:16] <bazhang> yep
• 252[01:46:43] <n4dir> bazhang: but guake you can use with any terminal-emulator? i recall that correct?
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• 254[01:47:11] <bazhang> well, it's gtk
• 255[01:47:22] <n4dir> apt-cache show doesn't seem to confirm that ...
• 256[01:47:35] <bazhang> iirc there is a terminator or the like
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• 261[01:49:02] <n4dir> anyway: i think something like that makes more sense than going tty only (makes more sense: is more comfortable)
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• 263[01:49:25] <bazhang> agreed
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• 265[01:51:31] <n4dir> Barabacha: if you still want to go further down the rabbit hole, in this thread a few framebuffer apps are mentioned: replaced-url
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• 276[01:57:46] <HaGGaRx> hey
• 277[01:58:43] <Barabacha> n4dir: did you bind 'tilda' to F1? or was it like that by default?
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• 279[01:59:13] <n4dir> it is default, and it sucks a lot (because many apps use F1 for help, duh). But i never change it, probably too lazy .
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• 283[02:00:40] <n4dir> when running it first time i get a config window, i make it full screen, change the fontsize and the font color, but that's about it. Might be guake is better, i don't know
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• 291[02:04:31] <n4dir> sneaking in #bash might be a good idea too. Often usage of cli tools is mentioned there (and more often the topics are way beyond my head ... :-) )
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• 294[02:05:46] <HaGGaRx> ole ho aq
• 295[02:06:23] <awal1> guake is better :P
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• 297[02:06:42] <awal1> more stable, mature and featured
• 298[02:07:11] <awal1> yeahconsole is also fine
• 299[02:07:30] <n4dir> ah, yeahconsole. that one i forgot.
• 300[02:07:42] <bazhang> yeahconsole is the actual name?
• 301[02:07:50] <awal1> yeah
• 302[02:07:54] <bazhang> heh
• 303[02:08:13] <n4dir> i seem to have heard that newer versions of xfce4-terminal have the drop-down option too, but i sure couldn't figure it out
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• 305[02:08:45] <aging> anyway to get xrandr to recognize VGA input on notebook with no longer supported radeon/ati graphics card?
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• 307[02:09:00] <awal1> guake is nº 1 :P
• 308[02:09:49] <HaGGaRx> hello aq cocuklari hello babazin amina koyum
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• 310[02:10:43] <abrotman> HaGGaRx: do you need help wtih Debian?
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• 313[02:11:03] <HaGGaRx> android
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• 315[02:11:28] <HaGGaRx> android
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• 324[02:14:10] <aging> VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS880M [Mobility Radeon HD 4225/4250]
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• 344[02:25:01] <HaGGaRx> ol3 hoooooooo
• 345[02:25:02] <HaGGaRx> aq
• 346[02:25:08] <HaGGaRx> yarraagim
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• 348[02:25:10] <HaGGaRx> ne var
• 349[02:25:11] <HaGGaRx> aq
• 350[02:25:12] <HaGGaRx> aq
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• 355[02:27:32] <abrotman> HaGGaRx: this is not a social channel, this channel is for Debian support
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• 420[03:15:01] <ambient> My CPU is running hot and I am not sure why. It seems there is a plugin called 'autofillcreditcardsigninpromo' in chromium replaced-url
• 421[03:16:02] <ambient> Am I compromised or is this part of chromium?
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• 454[03:29:08] <cmder> Hi. Is it possible to have a linux system without root-setuid executables?
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• 626[05:14:23] <swulf--> I keep getting a 502 error when trying to fetch this package: replaced-url
• 627[05:14:33] <swulf--> I can see it in the directory listing, and other .deb files work... but not that one
• 628[05:15:10] <aging> w/apt-get?
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• 630[05:15:51] <swulf--> aging: both apt get and directly in browser fail
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• 632[05:16:20] <swulf--> If I visit replaced-url
• 633[05:18:37] <aging> unable to locate
• 634[05:18:44] <aging> couldnt find any package
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• 637[05:19:17] <swulf--> python2.7-minimal_2.7.13-1_amd64.deb 2016-12-18 23:58 1.3M
• 638[05:19:23] <swulf--> it's certainly listed
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• 641[05:19:50] <aging> oops i did a - where it should be a _
• 642[05:19:59] <aging> don't listen to me ;)
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• 644[05:20:45] <swulf--> wtffff it's happening on other mirrors too
• 645[05:20:53] <swulf--> maybe Privoxy is messing with me
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• 648[05:22:46] <aging> apt-get install python2.7 doesnt work, or is that not exactly what u need?
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• 659[05:29:34] <swulf--> aging, if you try wget on that url above does it work for you?
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• 661[05:31:53] <aging> 1 min
• 662[05:32:33] <swulf--> replaced-url
• 663[05:33:03] <aging> i got the index.html =)
• 664[05:33:43] <swulf--> weird. it works from my linode..
• 665[05:34:32] <aging> Firefox can't find the file at /home/dk/libpython2.7-minimal_2.7.9-2+deb8u1_amd64.deb.
• 666[05:34:36] <aging> oops
• 667[05:34:38] <aging> hah
• 668[05:35:41] <aging> this downloads
• 669[05:35:43] <aging> replaced-url
• 670[05:35:54] <aging> want me to dl it and send to u?
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• 672[05:36:17] <swulf--> i'm able to get it from my linode
• 673[05:36:19] <swulf--> thanks though
• 674[05:36:28] <swulf--> I think thailand's web filter is catching it
• 675[05:37:08] <aging> oooh thailand, thats where you are?
• 676[05:37:29] <aging> or your proxy
• 677[05:38:40] <swulf--> i disabled my proxy, so its definitely not it
• 678[05:39:03] <aging> u pay for a proxy?
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• 688[05:45:03] <bsima_> i can't install Python 3 because pip requires SSL/TLS and for some reason it's broken on my machine. Everything with apt seems good, so (and this is such a dumb question but I have to start from basics) when I install libssl-dev, where does it go?
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• 693[05:47:59] <bsima_> I think i found it in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so - next obvious question is: where *should* it go?
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• 695[05:48:13] <bsima_> I'm partially thinking out loud here and partially asking for help =D
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• 700[05:57:09] <Rusty1_> bsima_: trying apt install python3 ?
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• 703[05:59:01] <bsima_> Rusty1_: that works, but I'm acutally using pyenv so I can switch python versions
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• 705[05:59:26] <bsima_> pyenv is basically just a shell script that downloads and compiles python
• 706[05:59:47] <Rusty1_> why not virtualenv ?
• 707[06:00:14] <bsima_> _shrug_ I like pyenv, it fits my needs better
• 708[06:00:34] <bsima_> if this doesn't work I guess I'll take the plunge and switch to virtualenv
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• 710[06:00:52] <Rusty1_> there is ##python channel , whilst you wait here
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• 712[06:01:26] <bsima_> I figured this was an issue with apt or something, so debian folk might have better insight. But I'll check there too, thanks
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• 715[06:02:07] * bsima_ currently thinking it might be a linux-headers issue
• 716[06:02:12] * bsima_ reinstalling linux-headers
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• 718[06:02:59] <Rusty1_> libssl-dev is installed?
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• 720[06:03:06] <bsima_> yeah
• 721[06:04:18] <bsima_> so is build-essential
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• 724[06:08:30] <Rusty1_> apt-file , or in synaptic right click libssl-dev , properties , installed files
• 725[06:10:52] <bsima_> you mean apt-cache? I did "apt-cache showsrc libssl-dev" and it lists all the files in the package
• 726[06:11:01] <bsima_> and a bunch other stuff
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• 734[06:16:38] <tharkun> !ssb
• 735[06:16:38] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 736[06:16:54] <tharkun> If I want to package ^^ how do I do that?
• 737[06:16:59] <aegis> Is Debian the best?
• 738[06:17:25] <tharkun> aegis: Asking that on #debian isn't the answer a bit biased ;P
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• 743[06:21:16] * aging knows Debian is the best.
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• 753[06:29:51] <hexadecimal> aging: what do you like in Debian?
• 754[06:30:04] <aging> hexadecimal everything
• 755[06:30:14] <aging> minimal cpu usage
• 756[06:30:37] <aging> the programs/apps
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• 759[06:30:41] <aging> terminal
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• 761[06:30:56] <hexadecimal> nice
• 762[06:30:57] <aging> text based configs
• 763[06:31:02] <aging> =]
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• 765[06:31:39] <aging> the irc client =p
• 766[06:31:42] <aging> y
• 767[06:31:59] <hexadecimal> I'll ask you again in 10 years if we are still alive
• 768[06:32:05] <aging> ok cool
• 769[06:32:48] <aging> i just installed debian about 2 wks ago
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• 777[06:36:43] <hexadecimal> oh and I heard that 8.7 is out the 14/01? That's correct?
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• 784[06:43:08] <aging> hexadecimal me? i dunno =/
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• 799[06:57:46] <jasabella> hi :) how do i get a wiki page updated on wiki.debian.org?
• 800[07:00:18] <somiaj> jasabella: In theory you can update it yourself, though I don't think there is automatic account creation so you'll have to contact someone (this info I think is on the wiki)
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• 804[07:01:36] <jasabella> just wanted to add a row to this table, not much: replaced-url
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• 813[07:10:10] <somiaj> jasabella: replaced-url
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• 815[07:10:29] <jasabella> yeah
• 816[07:10:33] <jasabella> th
• 817[07:10:34] <jasabella> x
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• 819[07:11:52] <somiaj> jasabella: you also shoudln't cross post questions on different channels/networks.
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• 821[07:13:03] <jasabella> ok
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• 824[07:17:42] <aging> adduser <name> audio kjaweghbvrkagwkcgr!
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• 827[07:19:03] <hexadecimal> what are you doing aging?
• 828[07:19:30] <somiaj> sounds like they figured out they needed the audio group for sound.
• 829[07:19:41] <aging> yap
• 830[07:19:51] <aging> so simple
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• 844[07:29:53] <aging> hexadecimal what are you doing?
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• 846[07:30:20] <xar-> is there a way to ask systemd for the value of all directives that are currently loaded?
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• 850[07:32:33] <somiaj> xar-: systemd status
• 851[07:32:40] <somiaj> xar-: arg, systemctl status
• 852[07:33:03] <somiaj> xar-: you can also just run systemctl for the list of all of them.
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• 870[07:49:13] <seanrdev> It might be a stupid question but I've been surprised before however is there a way to take 2 1tb drives and store a file as big as 1.5tb on them without modifying the file?
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• 872[07:51:11] <grawity> set up disk spanning, e.g. via LVM or btrfs or zfs
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• 874[07:51:53] <seanrdev> lol I thought it was a stupid question to ask but happy I did
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• 877[07:57:02] <xar-> thanks for responding somiaj
• 878[07:57:20] <xar-> however, what I was looking for was `systemctl show --all <unit>`
• 879[07:58:19] <xar-> I probably should have been more specific, but systemd is... what's a polite way to say this, ridiculous? still learning so... *shrug*
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• 882[07:59:00] <somiaj> xar-: I like it, just new tools to get use to.
• 883[07:59:19] <somiaj> xar-: but I haven't ran it in a situation it didn't just work and once you get more use to systemctl you can get a lot of info.
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• 903[08:08:31] <afx_> Hello !There are times Xorg server takes too long to start . I am using gnome with Adwaita which seems broken when this happens like this replaced-url
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• 906[08:09:49] <TereseSi> They seek a tribal Zionist supremacy over the media, politics, power of every nation on earth. They don't have the right to steal trillions with the Federal Reserve Bank, and the IMF, and control the value of the currency that's in your pocket, and bomb your nation if it dares to resist... and
• 907[08:10:01] <TereseSi> The Outrageous Racist Hypocrisy of Israel and World Zionism (258,898 views) replaced-url
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• 911[08:11:33] <seanrdev> So my system crashes every once in a while with an error like....
• 912[08:11:36] <seanrdev> (device nvme0n1p2): __ext4_get_inode_loc:4009: inode #3149723: block 12583193: comm polkitd: unable to read itable block
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• 914[08:12:40] <seanrdev> googling I see it's a hard drive failure for most. What utilities and logs can I use to find out some more information.
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• 916[08:14:23] <seanrdev> I went to /var/log/ and used the command find /var/log -exec cat {} \; | grep -i 'unable to read' and there were no logs that displayed that or any of the other on screen errors that I had seen.
• 917[08:15:00] <grawity> those usually go to dmesg first, and from there to /var/log/kernel, IIRC
• 918[08:15:19] <ragedragon> seanrdev, mount the affected partition or disk in read only, perform a dump for backup with dd with ignore errors options
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• 920[08:15:26] <ragedragon> then perform a fsck
• 921[08:15:31] <ragedragon> with repair options
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• 923[08:15:39] <ragedragon> then pray
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• 925[08:16:16] <seanrdev> ragedragon: Before I do this let me inform you that this drive is a samsung 950 m.2 ssd drive.
• 926[08:16:40] <seanrdev> Should I proceed?
• 927[08:17:02] <ragedragon> oh ok i see
• 928[08:17:30] <seanrdev> Sorry I should have stated that in the beginning.
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• 930[08:18:39] <ragedragon> if it is a system file error, fsck is your friend
• 931[08:18:57] <ragedragon> if it is hw as you described us, check maybe with smartctrl
• 932[08:19:49] <ragedragon> but before perform a full dump with dd over the network or usb drive
• 933[08:20:04] <ragedragon> with read only remount option
• 934[08:21:03] <seanrdev> Also my screen went black then came up without the bottom panel and a popup box where the readable text just shows up as squares. I had to press ctrl alt f2 and thats where I saw the error message. I think that is all the info I have.
• 935[08:21:40] <ragedragon> ragedragon, use maybe a live usb
• 936[08:21:45] <ragedragon> to boot from an other device
• 937[08:21:53] <seanrdev> ok
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• 959[08:33:40] <Insierre> This video exposes how Israel and World Zionism is a hypocritical tribal, racist entity that not only oppresses the Palestinians, but seeks control of the whole world. replaced-url
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• 972[08:39:30] <yellow> <--- sits waiting to drop a truth bomb.
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• 975[08:40:35] <inch> Israel gave us Trimslice which never got proper gpu hw acceleration for desktop linux. And now their Utilite2 is stuck with kernel 3.4.
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• 978[08:40:54] <inch> :-)
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• 982[08:42:15] <micw> hi
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• 985[08:42:41] <micw> on stretch, ansible reports the wrong debian version
• 986[08:42:53] <micw> it gets the version from /etc/os-release
• 987[08:43:13] <micw> on jessie it's PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie)"
• 988[08:43:22] <micw> on stretch it's PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux stretch/sid"
• 989[08:43:37] <micw> will the change on release?
• 990[08:43:47] <micw> to "... 9 (stretch)"
• 991[08:43:48] <grawity> why is it getting the version out of PRETTY_NAME and not out of VERSION_ID
• 992[08:44:07] <grawity> the PRETTY_NAME is explicitly stated to be for display and *not* machine parsing
• 993[08:44:12] <micw> grawity, no idea but version_id is also not set in stretch
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• 999[08:46:55] <micw> will the file change on release?
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• 1002[08:47:21] <micw> is it normal that the dev version does not contain a version number?
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• 1004[08:47:30] <micw> or should i file a bug?
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• 1007[08:50:06] <micw> does the dev version even has a version number?
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• 1011[08:51:14] <grawity> stretch does, but sid doesn't
• 1012[08:51:22] <grawity> no, I don't know why it's called "stretch/sid"
• 1013[08:52:10] <micw> i installed via stretch installer (alpha 8 i think)
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• 1015[08:53:04] <micw> Package: base-files
• 1016[08:53:04] <micw> Version: 9.7
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• 1020[08:54:12] <micw> replaced-url
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• 1022[08:54:28] <micw> seems to be the same for testing+unstable
• 1023[08:54:45] <micw> how does stretch and sid relate to testing and unstable?
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• 1025[08:54:56] <Tufish> This video exposes how Israel and World Zionism is a hypocritical tribal, racist entity that not only oppresses the Palestinians, but seeks control of the whole world. (258,898 views, 90% likes) replaced-url
• 1026[08:55:02] <micw> sid always refers to the latest unstable, right?
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• 1029[08:55:13] <grawity> testing (currently: stretch) is the next debian version in works
• 1030[08:55:22] <grawity> unstable (sid) is ... not quite sure
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• 1039[08:57:44] <micw> i go to #debian-next with that issue
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• 1043[08:59:11] <Iota> Good morning, world!
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• 1056[09:04:20] <jolt> Hello WORLD!
• 1057[09:04:40] <hexadecimal> hey there
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• 1096[09:34:19] <jscoder> I'd like to print some ps files I have but I'd like a header or footer that shows the filename. I've tried evince, atril, and qpdf none seem to support this, perhaps there is a simple way I can add the header/footer to the file itself using a commandline?
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• 1148[09:55:28] <tavis> xrandr can't rotate screen
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• 1151[09:55:39] <tavis> debian 8.6
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• 1155[09:56:28] <tavis> ?
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• 1157[09:57:53] <tavis> am i online or not ?
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• 1159[09:58:23] <Shadur> No. You're in a coma and hallucinating.
• 1160[09:58:39] <micw> ^^
• 1161[09:58:41] <tavis> @_@
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• 1163[09:59:12] <micw> replaced-url
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• 1169[10:01:50] <tavis> why don't you talk
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• 1172[10:02:11] <darxmurf> hi all
• 1173[10:02:15] <LdvX> Hello community!
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• 1175[10:02:27] <LdvX> Is there an url slack.com for debian ?
• 1176[10:02:31] <tavis> hello ... hello world
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• 1181[10:04:06] <LdvX> ??
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• 1184[10:04:49] <darxmurf> how can I configure "Machine Credentials" only on a NFS+Kerberos system ? I need to have an "automatic" auth of the clients on the server as the workstations are shared
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• 1187[10:05:15] <darxmurf> basically I just need to secure the NFS mount between machines without users operations :-)
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• 1197[10:12:50] <Pelle`> Hi, i got librenms running on my debian server, however i cant seem to get the graphs working for the host and on my debian vm running on another server...i followed this to config snmp replaced-url
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• 1200[10:14:02] <Cu5tosLimen> if I use confold and confdef with dpkg (via apt) what will happen to new config file ?
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• 1220[10:25:21] <unborn> ,v zim
• 1221[10:25:22] <judd> Package: zim on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.56-1; wheezy-backports: 0.62-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.62-3; jessie-backports: 0.65-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.65-3; stretch: 0.65-4; sid: 0.65-4
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• 1239[10:30:43] <Beeblebrox-BSD> Hello, I have some continer/LXC questions (using Stretch). I read somewhere that Ubuntu is considerably faster than Deb for LXC - what's the situation on that? Also, what is the best performing container choice?
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• 1242[10:32:01] <babilen> "somewhere"
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• 1262[10:43:56] <Evropi> Hello, is it okay to remove the packages gnome, gnome-core and task-gnome-desktop? Are there any negative externalities to this action?
• 1263[10:44:10] <Evropi> planning to update to Debian testing for what it's worth
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• 1266[10:44:26] <Evropi> but I don't want programs like Empathy
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• 1269[10:44:46] <SynrG> it's always fine to remove packages that are purely metapackages. however, in upgrades, if the deps of the metapackages change, you won't get any of the changes
• 1270[10:45:22] <Evropi> I see, thank you
• 1271[10:46:13] <babilen> Removal of metapackages might also trigger the automatic removal of their dependencies as there is, then, "no readon" for those dependencies to be installed anymore.
• 1272[10:46:23] <babilen> *reason
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• 1275[10:49:02] <craigpowers> Here's a quote I found to report to the ops:
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• 1313[11:06:53] <jelly> is there a LetsEncrypt client that works well on wheezy?
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• 1317[11:09:16] <petn-randall> jelly: The bash one should work, I'm guessing.
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• 1323[11:12:24] <jelly> which bash one?
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• 1332[11:17:41] <teraflops> jelly: tried certbot from replaced-url
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• 1339[11:20:47] <petn-randall> jelly: Used to be called letsencrypt.sh, now it's dehydrated: replaced-url
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• 1351[11:24:12] <petn-randall> jelly: It's even in stretch twice, for some reason.
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• 1358[11:26:27] <Evropi> Welp. Updating to testing did not go well. Any idea on how to resolve this dependency resolution issue? replaced-url
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• 1360[11:27:22] <Evropi> as you can see -f didn't help :/
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• 1367[11:28:25] <somiaj> Evropi: output of apt-cache policy and apt-cache policy console-setup
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• 1375[11:31:24] <Evropi> somiaj: so if I understand correctly, I need to set priority to 100 so it is not updated. For that matter, is there a way to skip updating this altogether?
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• 1378[11:31:46] <Evropi> (as unwise as that would probably be)
• 1379[11:32:23] <somiaj> what? What did you pin to 100 so it woudn't upgrade?
• 1380[11:32:40] <Evropi> nothing, this is a clean install
• 1381[11:32:41] <somiaj> why do you not want to fully upgrade your system to testing?
• 1382[11:32:53] <somiaj> Also why not share the output i asked for.
• 1383[11:32:55] <Evropi> so the rest of the packages install haha
• 1384[11:33:06] <Evropi> right, just a moment
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• 1386[11:34:18] <Evropi> replaced-url
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• 1388[11:35:04] <somiaj> okay, not the output of 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
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• 1390[11:35:54] <Evropi> replaced-url
• 1391[11:35:55] <somiaj> and it is preferable you use 'stretch' in your sources.list instead of testing.
• 1392[11:36:35] <somiaj> Evropi: okay, 'apt-cache policy systemd udev'
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• 1396[11:37:47] <Evropi> somiaj: replaced-url
• 1397[11:38:09] <somiaj> ,v systemd
• 1398[11:38:10] <judd> Package: systemd on amd64 -- wheezy: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u5; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u5; jessie-backports: 230-7~bpo8+2; stretch: 232-8; sid: 232-8
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• 1403[11:38:48] <somiaj> Evropi: for some reason your mirror is not showing a newer version of systemd or udev in your sources which is causing your problem.
• 1404[11:38:57] <somiaj> Evropi: rerun apt-get update, then run that apt-cache policy command again
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• 1409[11:40:35] <Evropi> replaced-url
• 1410[11:41:00] <Evropi> (sorry, I keep forgetting to highlight somiaj; haven't used IRC in a year)
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• 1413[11:41:31] <somiaj> Evropi: I just wanted the apt-cache policy systemd udev
• 1414[11:41:40] <somiaj> Evropi: I want to see if the update made those packages installable.
• 1415[11:42:17] <Evropi> oh, my apologies: replaced-url
• 1416[11:42:36] <somiaj> Evropi: okay, they are visiable now, now run apt-get dist-upgrade
• 1417[11:43:34] <Evropi> somiaj: replaced-url
• 1418[11:44:04] <babilen> Why are you passing -f ?
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• 1420[11:44:21] <babilen> And what is aptitude suggesting?
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• 1423[11:44:45] <Evropi> because it recommends the -f
• 1424[11:44:52] <Evropi> not that it did anything
• 1425[11:44:54] <babilen> Also what does "apt-get install console-setup" and "aptitude install console-setup" give you?
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• 1427[11:45:38] <somiaj> Evropi: almost wonder if you should just try another mirror, maybe your mirror is upgrading packages right now and not giving you a complete list.
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• 1429[11:46:07] <somiaj> Evropi: so back to 'apt-cache policy console-set console-setup-linux libpurple-bin libpurple0 systemd udev'
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• 1431[11:46:24] <Evropi> babilen: oh, I think we're on the right track! replaced-url
• 1432[11:46:28] <Evropi> somiaj: ^
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• 1434[11:48:01] <Evropi> should I try a different mirror first or accept the solution?
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• 1436[11:48:04] <babilen> You could go with that .. how come you have partially configured packages? Did you try to perform an upgrade earlier?
• 1437[11:48:23] <Evropi> yeah, which brought the system to this sorry state
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• 1439[11:48:26] <babilen> You could try a different mirror .. I'd also cycle through some of the other suggestions
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• 1441[11:48:59] <Pelle`> is this normal: i have 40314mb memory on my debian box, 400042 used 271 free, shared 65 buffers 325 and cached 38469?
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• 1443[11:49:35] <somiaj> !free memory
• 1444[11:49:35] <dpkg> Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
• 1445[11:49:49] <somiaj> Pelle`: most of it is cache, completely normal.
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• 1448[11:50:27] <Evropi> switching mirror (tried two) had the same results... I think I'll go with aptitude's suggestion, thanks
• 1449[11:50:30] <Stummi> !swapwake
• 1450[11:50:30] <dpkg> After hibernation, you can load back into memory as much as possible from swap and also load files back into the kernel's file cache to help reduce the disk thrashing that occurs when waking up after suspend-to-disk (although this doesn't seem to be needed with the kernels in lenny onwards): cat `cat /proc/[0-9]*/maps | grep / | sed 's:.* /:/:' | grep -v /dev | sort -u` > /dev/null
• 1451[11:50:49] <Stummi> I think dpkg should link to replaced-url
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• 1468[12:00:55] <babilen> dpkg: tell Evropi -about ssm
• 1469[12:01:29] <babilen> Evropi: I'd recommend to switch from "testing" to "stretch" in your sources.list, add entries for "sid" and to set the default release to "stretch"
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• 1471[12:02:18] <babilen> That allows apt-get/aptitude more freedom in resolving dependencies and will allow them to come up with better suggestions/solutions during transitions and package removals
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• 1473[12:02:34] <babilen> You also might want to read replaced-url
• 1474[12:02:41] <Evropi> I see, I'll get right on that. Currently still waiting for all the packages to install
• 1475[12:02:51] <Evropi> (as per the suggestions of aptitude)
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• 1485[12:06:27] <Evropi> babilen: I have 135 further updates. To be clear, apt will prefer Stretch to Sid when looking for updates, right?
• 1486[12:06:45] <Evropi> (135 since adding a sid line that is
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• 1488[12:07:17] <n4dir> No, apt won't do that on it's own
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• 1490[12:07:24] <n4dir> dpkg mtu
• 1491[12:07:24] <dpkg> The Maximum Transmission Unit (MTU) is the size of the largest packet a network protocol can transmit; tracepath (iputils-tracepath package) can find out about it. An interface's MTU can be set in /etc/network/interfaces for static interfaces only; for DHCP, use "supersede interface-mtu X" in an interface block within /etc/dhcp{,3}/dhclient.conf (Debian bug #294044). The MTU can also be given as an option to <pppd> (man 8 pppd).
• 1492[12:07:28] <n4dir> damn it
• 1493[12:07:34] <n4dir> dpkg tum
• 1494[12:07:35] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution.
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• 1498[12:08:23] <babilen> Evropi: Did you also set the default release to "sid" as in:
• 1499[12:08:27] <babilen> dpkg: ssm
• 1500[12:08:27] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release "stretch";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security stretch lines and change one set to sid, then apt-get update. apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than stretch as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. See <jum caveat> and use this setup to track <stretch> after its release.
• 1501[12:08:37] <babilen> Err .. set it to stretch naturally :)
• 1502[12:09:06] <babilen> Evropi: Could you paste your sources.list and /etc/apt/apt.conf to replaced-url
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• 1505[12:10:44] <Evropi> babilen: I did, it looks like this now replaced-url
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• 1510[12:12:01] <babilen> Evropi: Okay, that looks fine. You could, naturally, switch back to Greek mirrors. And you set the default release to "stretch" ?
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• 1513[12:13:12] <Evropi> woops... I didn't
• 1514[12:13:17] <Evropi> so I'm on sid now, haha
• 1515[12:13:51] <babilen> Why did you upgrade?
• 1516[12:13:53] <Evropi> I'll go do that, hopefully testing will catch up soon so I won't have dep issues
• 1517[12:13:59] <babilen> *sigh*
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• 1521[12:16:08] <Evropi> rebooting, here goes nothing
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• 1538[12:32:53] <wawaaa> anyone know a windows server channel ?
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• 1542[12:36:04] <nkuttler> wawaaa: try ##windows, and #freenode for help with the network
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• 1562[12:44:39] <utopiah> ok... something is wrong. passwd only accept 1 character
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• 1587[12:56:28] <n4dir> is this your diary or do you want help, utopiah?
• 1588[12:57:39] <utopiah> please help n4dir why is passwd showing a different behavior than before?
• 1589[12:57:59] <utopiah> I'm going through the steps I think would help so that you also see what I tried
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• 1603[13:03:40] <utopiah> mdk: what are you suggesting I do?
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• 1625[13:08:53] <utopiah> reinstalling the passwd package didn't help, it works as expected for a normal user, not for root
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• 1667[13:27:42] <rabbel> Hi guys, I have some questions concerning the debian NTP pool (*.debian.pool.ntp.org). I'd like to send an email to a mailing list, should I go for a debian users mailing list or an ntp.org mailing list ?
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• 1737[14:05:14] <aprendiz> hi all. I have configured a server with LVM encrypted ¿how can I avoid asked me each time it is booted?
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• 1743[14:06:00] <tx> aprendiz: it's locked every time it's powered off
• 1744[14:06:07] <tx> the password is the key to start decrypting
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• 1746[14:06:23] <tx> there's no alternative unless you have something like a fingerprint reader or smart card
• 1747[14:07:20] <flugger> kind of the whole point of LVM encryption actually.
• 1748[14:08:12] <aprendiz> tx, but It is a productive server, I need that it is rebooted starts working
• 1749[14:08:35] <tx> :\
• 1750[14:08:39] <tx> u dum
• 1751[14:09:01] <tx> what you will need to do
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• 1753[14:09:15] <tx> is put your DATA (not OS!) on another LVM volume or physial disk
• 1754[14:09:25] <tx> and then when the OS has booted, ssh in and decrypt the volume
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• 1757[14:10:32] <tx> Otherwise, find encryption at an application level
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• 1760[14:10:58] <tx> but automatically decrypting on boot kinda defeats the purpose of the encryption
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• 1763[14:11:57] <aprendiz> tx, I wanted to encrypt all the disk with OS included for avoiding someone can examine logs and othe files.
• 1764[14:12:07] <tx> cool!
• 1765[14:12:18] <tx> If it was to happen automatically and someone stole your disk
• 1766[14:12:22] <tx> or all the data on it
• 1767[14:12:30] <tx> wouldn't automatically decrypting it (entering the password)
• 1768[14:12:35] <tx> defeat the purpose of the encryption?
• 1769[14:12:43] <petn-randall> aprendiz: You can add a key via the command line, but as everyone else said, it defeats the purpose. The only use case I can think of is that you temporarily want to deactivate the password check so other's can use it that have bad memory.
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• 1772[14:13:23] <petn-randall> s/command line/crypttab/
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• 1774[14:14:17] <aprendiz> tx, yes, but then they need to authenticate. I want a solution for avoid someone can examine the disks but I don´t care if they boot the OS because they need login.
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• 1776[14:14:37] <tx> Elaborate on 'examine the disks'
• 1777[14:14:39] <tx> how do you mean?
• 1778[14:14:48] <tx> Plug the disk into another machine
• 1779[14:14:49] <tx> ?
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• 1781[14:15:49] <dTal> I'm curious as to the threat model here - the only reason to encrypt the disk is if you're afraid someone will steal it. That's reasonable for a laptop, but most production servers are well physically-secured
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• 1785[14:16:17] <tx> Might be a SMB server.
• 1786[14:16:19] <tx> / NAS box.
• 1787[14:16:35] <dTal> and if Bob Q. Random has physical access to your production server you're hosed anyway
• 1788[14:16:45] <petn-randall> dTal: You ever been to a colo? Someone could still steal disks from a locked rack with little work.
• 1789[14:16:59] <aprendiz> tx, with a live cd for example. I want to avoid that type of things, but if someone boot the OS is not important because he would need login.
• 1790[14:17:21] * tx sighs.
• 1791[14:17:24] <babilen> aprendiz: You could configure the box in such a way that it spawns a SSH server in the initrd that allows you to enter the passphrase
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• 1793[14:17:39] <dTal> never a big colo, but a fair few small scale outfits and all of them had several levels of locked doors, and the cabinets themselves locked too
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• 1795[14:18:11] <babilen> aprendiz: Look into dropbear
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• 1797[14:18:36] <petn-randall> aprendiz: If you give the key to the OS for it to unlock, you also give that anyone with physical access to the machine. Any login can easily be overcome by just boot a live system and taking the key from the enencrypted disk.
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• 1799[14:18:45] <petn-randall> s/enencrypted/unencrypted/
• 1800[14:19:01] <aprendiz> dtal, yes, you right. I am in paranoid mode because the data are very confidencial.
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• 1802[14:19:23] <tx> you may as well just rot13 all your data
• 1803[14:19:30] <tx> it's just as effective.
• 1804[14:19:38] <babilen> petn-randall: We deployed some systems with dropbear that allow customers to SSH into the box to enter their key
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• 1807[14:19:49] <dTal> the only solution I can think of is if the server requests a decryption key from a different server in a different physical location on boot
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• 1810[14:19:58] <babilen> That way you don't have to hardcode the key anywhere
• 1811[14:20:06] <dTal> then if you have a breach you configure the second server to refuse requests
• 1812[14:20:09] <tx> ooh, that's a nice one
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• 1815[14:21:00] <petn-randall> babilen: Same here for my Hetzner server.
• 1816[14:21:28] <petn-randall> babilen: I just use two different hostnames so the SSH keys don't clash.
• 1817[14:23:13] <aprendiz> tx, what do you mean when you say "[14:19] <tx> you may as well just rot13 all your data"
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• 1820[14:24:11] <petn-randall> aprendiz: "If you put the key or password to decrypt the data partition on your unencrypted OS partition, you might as well not encrypt at all."
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• 1822[14:24:56] <mingdao> My internet searches about this have not turned up a fix: replaced-url
• 1823[14:25:04] <petn-randall> aprendiz: rot13 is a crappy obfuscation scheme for text written in latin letters. Just shift every letter 13 down the alphabet. Do it again to get the cleartext.
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• 1825[14:25:29] <mingdao> One person "fixed" it by reinstalling his OS, several times. His "user" was also root and not '_apt"
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• 1827[14:26:12] <DeaDSouL> hi, is there any tool in jessie repo that manages virtualbox in web ?
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• 1829[14:26:37] <petn-randall> mingdao: Welcome to beta-testing stretch. Support for it is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net.
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• 1831[14:26:40] <petn-randall> !debian-next
• 1832[14:26:41] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 1833[14:26:43] <petn-randall> mingdao: ^^^
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• 1836[14:27:14] <FaTony> hi, how can I set which make target gets built when invoking debuild?
• 1837[14:27:15] <mingdao> petn-randall: jessie != stretch
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• 1841[14:27:46] <mingdao> oh, well, that DOES say stretch
• 1842[14:27:52] <petn-randall> mingdao: Your paste shows that you're running stretch.
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• 1844[14:28:33] <mingdao> petn-randall: it was installed as stretch, but changed to jessie...lemesee what has changed
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• 1848[14:28:56] <n4dir> mingdao: huh?
• 1849[14:29:00] <themill> also /etc/apt/trusted.gpg doesn't exist in stretch and the user _apt doesn't exist in jessie
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• 1855[14:30:59] <petn-randall> mingdao: You can't downgrade like that.
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• 1859[14:31:02] <petn-randall> !downgrade
• 1860[14:31:02] <aprendiz> dTal: For a farm of servers the use of a server for the keys is a great idea because I you for example upgrad 40 servers it is a loss of time to enter the passphrase 40 times
• 1861[14:31:02] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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• 1863[14:31:18] <jelly> mmm, I do seem to have an uid=157(_apt) gid=65534(nogroup) on a jessie system with a jessie apt
• 1864[14:31:23] <petn-randall> aprendiz: There's a tool for that, let me look it up.
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• 1867[14:32:15] <themill> jelly: I created one so that apt inside sbuild complained less
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• 1869[14:32:41] <jelly> I'm pretty sure I wouldn't bother creating it
• 1870[14:32:45] <mingdao> petn-randall: yes, well, is there any way to go from stretch to jessie w/out a fresh install?
• 1871[14:32:54] <n4dir> no
• 1872[14:33:08] <jelly> and I usually only have older chroots to build stuff in here at work, not newer
• 1873[14:33:08] <mingdao> whokay
• 1874[14:33:38] <jelly> but possibly I tested a newer apt at some point, then went back
• 1875[14:33:39] <petn-randall> mingdao: No, you have to reinstall. There's no downgrade path.
• 1876[14:34:20] <mingdao> petn-randall: is there a way to list installed software? such as in Gentoo you could save /var/lib/portage/world to know all the pkgs you installed
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• 1878[14:34:48] <petn-randall> mingdao: 'dpkg -l' or 'dpkg --get-selections'
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• 1881[14:35:09] <themill> mingdao: of course you could just stick with stretch if that suits your needs
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• 1883[14:36:25] <mingdao> themill: atm I can give the time to a stretch install; maybe once I get used to Debian again, and have more time
• 1884[14:37:14] <mingdao> what do the deinstall entries indicate in 'dpkg --get-selections' ?
• 1885[14:37:38] <aprendiz> petn-randall: I would be great.
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• 1887[14:37:48] <mingdao> nvm... man dpkg lists it
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• 1893[14:40:51] <CryptoSiD> is the dhcp6 client broken on debian stretch?
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• 1895[14:41:09] <CryptoSiD> I check my router logs, it assign an ip to my client, but the client never get an ip
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• 1897[14:41:16] <tx> #debian-next @ oftc might know
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• 1900[14:41:45] <tx> I haven't had any issues though.
• 1901[14:41:55] <CryptoSiD> Jan 4 08:41:17 Debian dhclient[3757]: XMT: Release on enp2s11, interval 920ms.
• 1902[14:41:55] <CryptoSiD> Jan 4 08:41:18 Debian dhclient[3757]: XMT: Release on enp2s11, interval 1930ms.
• 1903[14:41:57] <CryptoSiD> all i see is that
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• 1906[14:42:05] <CryptoSiD> but the interface never get an ip
• 1907[14:42:17] <tx> is there even an ipv6 dhcp server running
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• 1909[14:42:34] <CryptoSiD> as i said, i see the logs in my router
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• 1911[14:42:41] <CryptoSiD> Advertise NA: address 2001:470:1f07:26c:aaaa:aaaa:aaaa:aaa3 to client with duid 00:01:00:01:1f:dd:7d:71:00:d0:11:02:2d:21 iaid = 285355297 static
• 1912[14:42:55] <CryptoSiD> but the interface never have an ipv6.
• 1913[14:42:58] <CryptoSiD> on the client
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• 1917[14:43:14] <CryptoSiD> ifup reply with: RTNETLINK answers: Cannot assign requested address
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• 1920[14:43:37] <petn-randall> !debian-next
• 1921[14:43:38] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 1922[14:43:45] <petn-randall> CryptoSiD: Please ask in the correct channel. ^^^
• 1923[14:43:58] <CryptoSiD> yeah well... gotta connect to another network just for that
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• 1927[14:44:58] <tx> ##networking might be okay too
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• 1929[14:46:07] <CryptoSiD> why isn'T that channel on freenode:D
• 1930[14:46:19] <tx> shenanigans.
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• 1932[14:46:38] <petn-randall> aprendiz: kxd/kxc are something you might want to look into.
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• 1934[14:47:30] <CryptoSiD> will ifup ever timeout? i rebooted my system and now it's not booting cause ifup is stuck at "RTNETLINK answers: Cannot assign requested address"
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• 1936[14:47:56] <CryptoSiD> i have another interface that is up but sshd wont start cause ifup is stuck..
• 1937[14:47:57] <aprendiz> petn-randall: Thank you so much.ç
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• 1939[14:48:08] <petn-randall> CryptoSiD: You're still asking in the wrong channel ...
• 1940[14:48:22] <tx> Suddenly he is using jessie. :)
• 1941[14:48:48] <CryptoSiD> im asking about ifup.
• 1942[14:49:20] <petn-randall> CryptoSiD: It's still stretch, no matter how you turn it.
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• 1944[14:49:53] <petn-randall> CryptoSiD: Asking in the correct channel will greatly increase your chances of getting a correct answer.
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• 1946[14:50:32] <aprendiz> petn-randall: That exactly what I was asking for in order to avoid interactive passphrase
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• 1949[14:50:50] <petn-randall> aprendiz: Cool! Glad I could help.
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• 1966[14:57:47] <CryptoSiD> [08:57:13] * Connecting to irc.oftc.net (6667)
• 1967[14:57:47] <CryptoSiD> -
• 1968[14:57:47] <CryptoSiD> [08:57:34] * Unable to connect to server (Connection timed out)
• 1969[14:57:47] <CryptoSiD> -
• 1970[14:57:48] *** CryptoSiD was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
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• 1972[14:57:52] <CryptoSiD> sorry
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• 1974[14:58:14] <CryptoSiD> im unable to connect on oftc.
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• 2000[15:08:25] <CryptoSiD> im so stupid, firewall :)
• 2001[15:08:33] <tx> k cya
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• 2037[15:17:28] <ws2k3> replaced-url
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• 2041[15:19:32] <jelly> ws2k3: sure
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• 2043[15:19:49] <bhanu_> hello
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• 2045[15:20:28] <bhanu_> how to port forward in debian?
• 2046[15:20:34] <avian> ws2k3, possible but unlikely. This is a 4 year old bug report against kernel 3.2
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• 2048[15:21:27] <ws2k3> avian well i think th bug is still in debian 7
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• 2050[15:21:56] <tx> collect data to support your claim then
• 2051[15:22:04] <tx> debian 7 is oldstable though
• 2052[15:22:11] <ws2k3> avian im on debian 7 with around 70 machines and after a while ipv6 stops working so i went searching and i noticed my routing table size keeps growing and growing
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• 2054[15:22:49] <ws2k3> 25329 /proc/net/ipv6_route and its still growing
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• 2057[15:24:36] <avian> ws2k3, ah sorry. I thought you are talking about latest stable. Debian 7 indeed shipped with kernel 3.2.
• 2058[15:25:04] <sruli> i want to run a script each time apt finishes installing updates, i tried apt post success hooks but its not working, dpkg post success runs the script after each package is installed and i dont want that, i only want it to run when all is finished, how can i go about this?
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• 2060[15:25:10] <lokke2> exit
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• 2063[15:26:20] <ws2k3> avian 3.2.0-4-amd64 im running
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• 2066[15:27:02] <yasu_> hello
• 2067[15:27:13] <yasu_> any debian expert here
• 2068[15:27:34] <dvs> nope
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• 2070[15:28:01] <tx> none
• 2071[15:28:04] <tx> this is for gentoo support.
• 2072[15:28:10] <dvs> ha
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• 2074[15:28:15] <tx> (jks)
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• 2077[15:29:11] <petn-randall> yasu_: Feel free to ask your question. Here's a hint:
• 2078[15:29:12] <petn-randall> !ask
• 2079[15:29:12] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 2080[15:29:29] <ws2k3> and how ipv6 is broken cause my routing table is full
• 2081[15:29:33] <ws2k3> now*
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• 2083[15:30:27] <yasu_> i want server image
• 2084[15:30:57] <ws2k3> yasu_ debian does not have a server or desktop image like ubuntu does
• 2085[15:31:12] <yasu_> what it has
• 2086[15:31:14] <yasu_> then
• 2087[15:31:21] <yasu_> i want kernel only
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• 2089[15:31:35] <ws2k3> yasu_ just one image for debian itself, how do you mean kernel only?
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• 2095[15:33:04] <petn-randall> yasu_: What do you need Debian then for, if you only want a kernel?
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• 2100[15:34:15] <yasu_> ok
• 2101[15:34:30] <yasu_> im sorry
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• 2108[15:35:58] <petn-randall> yasu_: No need to be sorry, I'm just trying to understand what your use case is.
• 2109[15:36:15] <jelly> !wayttd yasu_
• 2110[15:36:16] <dpkg> What Are You Trying To Do, yasu_?
• 2111[15:36:23] <jelly> !goal
• 2112[15:36:24] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
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• 2115[15:37:04] <yasu_> is there any hackers channel
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• 2118[15:37:18] <yasu_> i wana use debian for hacking
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• 2120[15:37:53] <ksft> and what do you mean by that?
• 2121[15:37:57] <brimstone> i'm having problems with java and on this pax kernel. is there a way to run paxctl when openjdk is installed, before ca-certificates-java's postinst tries to call java?
• 2122[15:38:09] <DeaDSouL> how to execute a command as another user? using `su` ?
• 2123[15:38:23] <Stummi> su or sudo
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• 2126[15:39:28] <DeaDSouL> Stummi: is it like this: `su vboxuser vboxwebserv` ?
• 2127[15:40:16] <ksft> try `man su`?
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• 2129[15:40:26] <petn-randall> DeaDSouL: su comes with an excellent man page.
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• 2135[15:43:02] <sruli> i want to run a script each time apt finishes installing updates, i tried apt post success hooks but its not working, dpkg post success runs the script after each package is installed and i dont want that, i only want it to run when all is finished, how can i go about this?
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• 2138[15:43:44] <petn-randall> sruli: What do you want to achieve? There might be a better tool for that.
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• 2143[15:45:25] <sruli> petn-randall: i set my kernel to hold updates, i only want to update kernel a month after release, so i wrote a bash script for that and want to hook it to update-manager
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• 2147[15:46:15] <petn-randall> sruli: So you want to avoid any regressions through kernel security updates?
• 2148[15:46:59] <sruli> petn-randall: i have few reasons why i want to wait a month before updating kernel
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• 2153[15:47:39] <petn-randall> sruli: One easy way is to just not reboot until a month later. Is this a server?
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• 2157[15:48:26] <sruli> petn-randall: no its not a server, however there are more scripts i need to run after update, i need a solution for hooking a script to apt
• 2158[15:49:06] <rdococ> @ <-- what's great about the Debian logo is you can draw it easily in IRC
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• 2160[15:49:30] <tx> lol
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• 2163[15:50:35] <sruli> petn-randall: i tried making a wrapper for apt-get it worked fine but not from gui update-manager
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• 2165[15:51:33] <jelly> ws2k3: and you have thousands of routing table entries?
• 2166[15:52:07] <ws2k3> jelly no just one default gateway further nothing
• 2167[15:52:21] <tx> I prefer ꩜.
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• 2170[15:52:57] <jelly> ws2k3: why do you think you're triggering the same bug?
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• 2173[15:53:30] <jelly> ws2k3: what does your cat ipv6_route | wc -l ... say?
• 2174[15:53:32] <ws2k3> jelly cause my routing table size keep growing and growing until its the routing table is full and then ipv6 breaks
• 2175[15:53:59] <jelly> that is, cat /proc/net/ipv6_route | wc -l
• 2176[15:54:13] <ws2k3> 25329 /proc/net/ipv6_route and its still growing
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• 2180[15:55:24] <jelly> ws2k3: best file a bug report, and/or try the backported 3.16 kernel as a workaround
• 2181[15:55:30] <jelly> ,kernels
• 2182[15:55:31] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.8.0-2-686-pae (4.8.11-1); stretch: 4.8.0-2-686-pae (4.8.11-1); jessie-backports: 4.8.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.8.11-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-1)
• 2183[15:55:44] <ws2k3> jelly i have upped the net.ipv6.route.max_size to 8388608 and even then it breaks
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• 2186[15:56:00] <jelly> ws2k3: is that wc -l or wc -c ?
• 2187[15:56:13] <ws2k3> jelly wc -l
• 2188[15:56:26] <jelly> yeah, that doesn't look good
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• 2213[16:02:19] <jhutchins> ,kernels
• 2214[16:02:20] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.8.0-2-686-pae (4.8.11-1); stretch: 4.8.0-2-686-pae (4.8.11-1); jessie-backports: 4.8.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.8.11-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-1)
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• 2217[16:02:45] <jhutchins> ws2k3: You could install 3.16 from backports.
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• 2225[16:04:41] <ws2k3> jhutchins yeah i could do that but i would expect this kinda of bugs not in debian
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• 2440[17:06:20] <jusss> <jusss> mount -t devtmpfs devtmpfs ./dev is same with mount -o bind /dev ./dev?
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• 2443[17:06:55] <jelly> jusss: nope
• 2444[17:07:11] <jusss> jelly: what's the first meaning?
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• 2446[17:07:20] <jelly> no idea
• 2447[17:07:36] <jelly> but it's definitely not the same as a bind mount of an already populated /dev
• 2448[17:07:54] <jusss> I saw it on wikipedia, but another wiki like debian or arch or gentoo they use -o bind
• 2449[17:07:58] <sh00p> i usually mount bind in chroots, it works
• 2450[17:08:13] <jusss> yes, I'm too
• 2451[17:08:32] <jusss> I want mount /dev into chroot env
• 2452[17:08:47] <jusss> but I don't know what's the better?
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• 2456[17:09:21] <jelly> jusss: did you try the first one? Does the resulting ./dev have /dev-looking contents?
• 2457[17:09:34] <jelly> I honestly do not know what it does
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• 2461[17:09:59] <jelly> then it might really be equivalent
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• 2468[17:12:45] <MasterScript> ./sc_trans: No such file or directory on debian 8
• 2469[17:13:00] <MasterScript> what libs need to install?
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• 2472[17:13:51] <jelly> MasterScript: what does "file ./sc_trans" sayt
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• 2478[17:16:05] <nintendo3DS> this bash script worked on my other installation of debian, but when I run it on this one it says there's a syntax error on the usage() line replaced-url
• 2479[17:16:07] <nintendo3DS> why would that happen
• 2480[17:16:24] <jhutchins> MasterScript: Context?
• 2481[17:16:27] <jhutchins> MasterScript: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead?
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• 2488[17:18:51] <MasterScript> run ./sc_trans sc_trans.conf
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• 2490[17:19:02] <MasterScript> shoutcast transcoder
• 2491[17:19:33] <mallxs> what must i do to make ifconfig runnable by cron ? or is there a other way to ip address of interface with in corn ?
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• 2515[17:26:36] <mallxs> sorry, needed the fulll path .. dumb me
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• 2528[17:32:54] <noahmg123> my laptop is apparently under-clocking when it hits low battery. It is making my laptop lag. It disappears when I plug in. What can I do?
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• 2530[17:33:36] <petn-randall> noahmg123: Are you running vanilla Debian?
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• 2533[17:34:23] <noahmg123> petn-randall: Close to it, Kali. I'm asking here as their IRC channel is usually dead.
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• 2535[17:34:30] <petn-randall> !kali
• 2536[17:34:30] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 2537[17:34:33] <petn-randall> noahmg123: ^^^
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• 2565[17:46:32] <jhutchins> I would think that would be a desired behavior.
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• 2643[18:13:35] <dp> One of my servers is failing to restart the ssh service, and systemctl is giving me the following: replaced-url
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• 2653[18:20:34] <origion> hi
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• 2656[18:21:02] <DeaDSouL> hi how to know which repository a package belongs to?
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• 2660[18:22:50] <petn-randall> dp: I'd check the 'journalctl -u ssh', and double-check any changes you made to the config.
• 2661[18:23:24] <petn-randall> dp: If you sysprep'ed the VM, the SSH host keys will be gone and have to be regenerated.
• 2662[18:23:59] <dp> petn-randall: it's just a continual stream of the message(s) in the paste.
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• 2667[18:24:57] <petn-randall> dp: Check /var/log/daemon.log and auth.log if there are any messages regarding ssh.
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• 2670[18:26:33] <dp> petn-randall: auth.log suggests that the address is already in use; but as far as I can tell, the only thing using it is sshd...
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• 2674[18:27:10] <origion> hi
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• 2676[18:27:18] <schnabeltasse> welcom
• 2677[18:27:39] <origion> i want learn linux
• 2678[18:27:47] <armin> hi. i'm trying to use preseed to answer the question about "General type of mail configuration:" appropriately when installing postfix from a Dockerfile. i used "postfix postfix/main_mailer_type string Internet site" in my preseed.txt but i still get asked that "Please select the mail server configuration type that best meets your needs." question. anyone an idea?
• 2679[18:27:47] <schnabeltasse> i am happy to hear that
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• 2681[18:28:22] <origion> can you help me for learn ?
• 2682[18:28:49] <schnabeltasse> i am not qualified for teaching
• 2683[18:28:50] <petn-randall> dp: What does 'netstat -npl | grep :22' give you?
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• 2685[18:29:21] <dp> petn-randall: replaced-url
• 2686[18:29:22] <schnabeltasse> just install debian, and learn
• 2687[18:29:28] <schnabeltasse> learning by doing
• 2688[18:29:48] <petn-randall> origion: This is a good start, depending on your experience level: replaced-url
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• 2692[18:31:26] <origion> ok, i will try ^_^
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• 2696[18:33:01] <schnabeltasse> main question in the beginning is, if you have a free hard drive on computer, or if you want to keep something else (eg windows)
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• 2698[18:33:28] <origion> yes
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• 2700[18:33:32] <schnabeltasse> partitionin must be done careful. and yaou need to pick the correct installation medium for your processor architecture
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• 2702[18:34:14] <origion> what is this ?
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• 2705[18:34:26] <schnabeltasse> the you just install, wich takes some effort and knowlledge or research (good to have a seperate internett access to research during install)
• 2706[18:34:56] <schnabeltasse> partitioning is setting up seperate areas on your harddisk
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• 2708[18:35:24] <origion> how !
• 2709[18:35:27] <schnabeltasse> after that you have a functional system and you start to learn everything
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• 2712[18:35:51] <schnabeltasse> what operating sytem are you on now?
• 2713[18:36:07] <origion> kali linux
• 2714[18:37:27] <schnabeltasse> start gparted - there you see what partions are
• 2715[18:37:38] <schnabeltasse> or parted if you don't have gparted on kali
• 2716[18:38:04] <schnabeltasse> it's seperate portions of your hard drive. do you have windows also?
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• 2718[18:38:22] <dp> petn-randall: any ideas as to why sshd would suggest that it's already bound, when I'm trying to do a restart?
• 2719[18:39:16] <origion> no i have not
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• 2721[18:39:34] <schnabeltasse> do you have data on your harddrive you need to keep?
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• 2726[18:39:45] <origion> just kali linux
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• 2728[18:40:07] <schnabeltasse> ok. so you have installed linux already?
• 2729[18:40:13] <schnabeltasse> on your harddrive?
• 2730[18:40:22] <schnabeltasse> or is kali only running from cd?
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• 2734[18:41:21] <origion> on harddrive
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• 2739[18:42:24] <towo`> and since kali is not debian, it's the complete wrong channel
• 2740[18:42:39] <schnabeltasse> then it's good. you have linux installed, you are online, in IRC. just use webbrowser for internet, thunderbird for email, libre office for office.
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• 2742[18:42:55] <schnabeltasse> everything is solved already. or what do you want to learn?
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• 2747[18:43:45] <origion> hack wifi
• 2748[18:43:54] <towo`> play elsewhere
• 2749[18:44:21] <towo`> you never will become a cool hacker by installing kali
• 2750[18:44:38] <origion> why?
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• 2752[18:44:55] <towo`> because it's not enougth
• 2753[18:45:05] <schnabeltasse> because you are asking. if you want to learn, start researching.
• 2754[18:45:06] <towo`> and now go away and read some books
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• 2756[18:46:22] <origion> give me some book
• 2757[18:46:35] <schnabeltasse> and i dont think it is possible to hack a recent wifi encryption like WPA2. at least notr for you
• 2758[18:46:41] <towo`> go playing kid
• 2759[18:47:06] <schnabeltasse> search for books online
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• 2761[18:47:18] <toruvinn> origion, you could input "aircrack" in google for starters.
• 2762[18:47:30] <schnabeltasse> there are precise explanations and whowtos on becoming a hacker. it takes years.
• 2763[18:47:39] <toruvinn> from there, there's a lot of reading ahead of you.
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• 2765[18:47:47] <n4dir> schnabeltasse: make that decades ...
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• 2769[18:48:04] <schnabeltasse> i guess so
• 2770[18:48:10] <towo`> a real hacker would not ask such stupid quesstions in a debian irc
• 2771[18:48:17] <schnabeltasse> true
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• 2776[18:49:02] <mrrhq> I am planning to haxx my smartphone... in a way. :p
• 2777[18:49:02] <toruvinn> eh, no need to bash the guy like that.
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• 2779[18:49:25] <toruvinn> it's just that there's no "how to become a hacker/cracker in two steps" howto. there's only one step: learn and keep learning.
• 2780[18:49:44] <origion> why you want from me play with kids ?!
• 2781[18:49:58] <mrrhq> Search: Installing linux and android the matrix way
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• 2783[18:50:18] <armin> towo`: so are you a *real* hacker?
• 2784[18:50:22] <towo`> origion, we want you stop beeing of topic
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• 2786[18:50:26] <schnabeltasse> a hacker is more than an IT, programming and networking professional. it is a specialist
• 2787[18:50:27] <mrrhq> Gonna try using Debian with Android.
• 2788[18:50:32] <armin> towo`: like, a serious super bad-ass elite type hacker?
• 2789[18:50:38] <towo`> armin, am i'm saying that?
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• 2791[18:50:51] <armin> towo`: so how do you know what kind of questions a hacker asks?
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• 2793[18:51:04] <armin> towo`: damn - i thought you were one.
• 2794[18:51:15] <towo`> if you think so
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• 2796[18:51:34] <mrrhq> Lols.
• 2797[18:51:42] <schnabeltasse> it should be easy to crack wep wifi encryption.
• 2798[18:51:58] <schnabeltasse> but don't forget it might be illegitimate and illegal.
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• 2801[18:52:17] <armin> i'm so 1337 i'm crapping guy fawkes masks.
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• 2805[18:53:56] <mrrhq> Only CFAA makes it illegal, but it's a very bad law in the first place.
• 2806[18:54:17] <mrrhq> Along with possibly DMCA.
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• 2811[18:54:32] <schnabeltasse> CFAA=confederation of alcoholics anonymous?
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• 2816[18:55:21] <schnabeltasse> whatever that is. it doesn't seem a legitimate goal to crack wifi
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• 2818[18:55:36] <schnabeltasse> in 90 % of cases
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• 2820[18:56:28] <petn-randall> !ot
• 2821[18:56:29] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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• 2824[18:56:47] <petn-randall> Please keep it on topic everyone. Thanks.
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• 2826[18:57:06] <schnabeltasse> i think wpa is also crackable by using a debian sytem and some expoits
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• 2829[18:57:35] <schnabeltasse> but not wpa2, i think. not from debian. or something else.
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• 2834[18:58:45] <petn-randall> schnabeltasse: You can capture the WPA2 handshake of a legitimate client and then crack it offline via some service. It's ~100$ IIRC.
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• 2839[18:59:45] <n4dir> there ain't no hacker in my grandma. as the saying is.
• 2840[19:00:12] <schnabeltasse> i am not too surprised that some professional or hacker can do that.
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• 2842[19:00:26] <petn-randall> That assumes using PSK, though.
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• 2848[19:01:11] <schnabeltasse> i am always usig psk. to be frank, i don't like the use of wireless. i use a cable and deactivate it, where i can.
• 2849[19:01:28] <n4dir> what if the router is set to only accept certain mac-addresses? still possible? I guess it sure is harder (assuming it is possible at all).
• 2850[19:01:29] <schnabeltasse> no door is better than a locked door
• 2851[19:01:46] <schnabeltasse> it is easy to spoof the mac adress aint it?
• 2852[19:01:49] <n4dir> otoh i really don't mind someone borrowing my internet, as long he doesn't do nasty things
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• 2854[19:01:59] <n4dir> schnabeltasse: i don't know. it was a question
• 2855[19:02:23] <schnabeltasse> mac adress filtering surely increases security. but it is spoofable.
• 2856[19:02:27] <n4dir> someone used my internet. after i changed the mac thing, it didn't happen anymore. Well: i think
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• 2861[19:03:10] <n4dir> would have been probably more fun to spy on him in return, but ... well ... too much work, and not much fun
• 2862[19:03:28] <schnabeltasse> i use mac adress filterin, and deactivate dhcp mostly, if i activate wireless
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• 2864[19:03:47] <petn-randall> schnabeltasse: Not that any of that would help from a security standpoint.
• 2865[19:04:07] <schnabeltasse> not against an apt attacker. but against the average neighbour.
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• 2868[19:04:21] <n4dir> not activating wireless at all sure helps from a sec standpoint. imho ....
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• 2871[19:04:50] <petn-randall> schnabeltasse: How so? They'd still have to know/crack your WPA2 password.
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• 2873[19:04:55] <afernandez_> hello how do install Cisco Any connect for network Manager in Debian 8? I have in the drop down of add connections openconnect which works fine from command line, But when i configure in Network-Manager and try to connect I get the secrets for connection whatever were not provided. Thanks in advance.
• 2874[19:05:03] <schnabeltasse> of course some of that is paranoi
• 2875[19:05:08] <schnabeltasse> d
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• 2882[19:06:35] <teraflops> an averaged neighbour will know how to kick your client from the ap and use your mac
• 2883[19:06:48] <schnabeltasse> well i don't know how hard that is. also ppl can enter the flat and use your cable. deactivating dhcp and protecting your router with password might help against that. i like to increase safety with any possible easy measure. evenb if it is paranoid.
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• 2886[19:07:31] <petn-randall> schnabeltasse: Disabling DHCP is not a security measure, it's just an inconvenience for anyone connecting.
• 2887[19:07:35] <schnabeltasse> or not useful against real hackers. of course they are not interested in me and most of us anyway.
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• 2890[19:07:59] <petn-randall> schnabeltasse: It's not even useful against wannabe hackers. It's useful against guests trying to use your wifi.
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• 2893[19:08:44] <schnabeltasse> whatever. i do what i do, and i don't expect that it makes too much sense for someone els.. hehe..
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• 2898[19:09:28] <schnabeltasse> but you have to do something. that is the point. it is impossible to do nothing.
• 2899[19:09:39] <n4dir> that is the curse.
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• 2911[19:11:36] <teraflops> schnabeltasse: you want security? use wpa2 enterprise with certificates and radius server
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• 2916[19:12:39] <schnabeltasse> no i can't afford that, i am barely able to setup debian. here there is no one wanting to attack me.
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• 2918[19:13:29] <schnabeltasse> but i had a client setup to use such a network once.
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• 2920[19:14:32] <teraflops> fair enough, disabling WPS and having a strong password is fine most of the time
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• 2926[19:15:14] <schnabeltasse> i don't need wireless. i don't connect my smartphone to it anyway. my pc is setup with cable.
• 2927[19:15:16] <cluelessperson> hey guys, I'm having to service a linux server with Debian LENNY (5)
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• 2929[19:15:28] <cluelessperson> however, it seems I can't find still up archive mirrors
• 2930[19:15:33] <cluelessperson> anyone have suggestions?
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• 2935[19:17:01] <centrx> cluelessperson: maybe httpredir.debian.net ?
• 2936[19:17:04] <centrx> cluelessperson: lenny is super old
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• 2938[19:17:42] <centrx> cluelessperson: security updates for lenny stopped in 2012
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• 2941[19:18:06] <cluelessperson> centrx, yeah, I'm aware
• 2942[19:18:41] <cluelessperson> centrx, old build server at work everyone's been afraid to touch
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• 2948[19:20:08] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: replaced-url
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• 2951[19:21:06] <cluelessperson> I'll try them out
• 2952[19:21:39] <jhutchins> Doesn't seem to link to a repo.
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• 2955[19:22:05] <TomTomTosch> you are looking for replaced-url
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• 2965[19:23:50] <n4dir> The debian wiki has an entry for the sources list, but i don' t know more about it: replaced-url
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• 2971[19:24:48] <jhutchins> TomTomTosch: archive.debian.org or archive.debian.net?
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• 2973[19:25:45] <jhutchins> TomTomTosch: Yeah, it's org.
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• 2977[19:26:36] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: replaced-url
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• 2982[19:29:31] <cluelessperson> I'm getting, "temporary failure resolving"
• 2983[19:29:32] <cluelessperson> jhutchins,
• 2984[19:29:35] <TomTomTosch> you probably also want to put "Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false;" in /etc/apt/apt.conf as the valid-until field in the release files have expired years ago.
• 2985[19:29:50] <TomTomTosch> cluelessperson: then paste your sources.list to paste.debian.net
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• 2987[19:30:29] <cluelessperson> ah, it was my resolve.conf
• 2988[19:30:30] <cluelessperson> fixed
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• 2993[19:32:07] <user003> Is it preferable to backup /home/.ecryptfs/$USER or backup /home/$user into its own encrypted container/archive to restore?
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• 3341[20:40:06] <schnabeltasse> in irc it can be irritating when everybody is talking at once
• 3342[20:40:26] <n-iCe> we are not
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• 3346[20:41:15] <schnabeltasse> OK
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• 3348[20:41:58] <schnabeltasse> i am going shoveling snow. i hope i'm not missing anything
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• 3351[20:42:46] <n-iCe> schnabeltasse: hehe
• 3352[20:42:47] <n-iCe> good luck
• 3353[20:42:57] <schnabeltasse> thx :D
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• 3393[21:00:40] <jhutchins> Is there any schedule to WordPress core updates?
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• 3417[21:11:08] <jhutchins> Seems like the answer is "about every 120 days, but don't hold us to it, we'll release when we have something".
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• 3557[22:07:34] <dStruct> can someone please explain to me what is wrong with python in the latest Debian, it's a fresh install and I'm having serious trouble getting a module to import that I supposedly just apt-get installed, libgnuradio-baz
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• 3564[22:08:07] <teraflops> dStruct: define latest debian
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• 3567[22:09:04] <dStruct> teraflops: well to clarify it's the Kali variant, 4.8.0-kali2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.8.15-1kali1 (2016-12-23) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 3568[22:09:27] <teraflops> ah
• 3569[22:09:32] <mrrhq> Debian and Kali aren't the same.
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• 3571[22:09:50] <mrrhq> #kali-linux
• 3572[22:09:56] <dStruct> mrrhq: well true, but it's built from Debian
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• 3574[22:10:09] <missmbob> !kali
• 3575[22:10:09] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 3576[22:10:10] <dStruct> mrrhq: yes I know, I idle there
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• 3578[22:10:17] <dStruct> been running it for years
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• 3580[22:10:27] <teraflops> dStruct: who knows
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• 3582[22:10:41] <dStruct> I'm asking in here because I'm trying to get to the bottom of it, python is what appears to be broken on a fresh install/latest update
• 3583[22:10:55] <mrrhq> It's a useful distro, but I could just make a custom live CD with all of Kali's tools installed.
• 3584[22:10:59] <dStruct> teraflops: pip doesn't show my package and I can't import it, is there anything I can check or do?
• 3585[22:11:00] <teraflops> I meant are you sure the issue is the same in a debian jessie machine?
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• 3587[22:11:33] <dStruct> teraflops: I haven't verified if it behaves the same on a vanilla jessie machine, but I would think so since they're very similar
• 3588[22:11:45] <teraflops> dStruct: pip is not dpkg
• 3589[22:12:06] <mrrhq> dStruct: pip search ?
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• 3591[22:12:10] <dStruct> teraflops: understood. I have a folder in dist-packages yet can't see it in pip
• 3592[22:12:18] <dStruct> mrrhq: nothing, nor in list
• 3593[22:12:22] <jhutchins> dStruct: So when the Ford dealer is closed, do you take your Ford to a Honda dealer for repairs?
• 3594[22:12:24] <dStruct> it's got me stumped
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• 3596[22:12:40] <dStruct> jhutchins: I will never EVER own a F.O.R.D.
• 3597[22:12:57] <dStruct> jhutchins: but I get what you're saying :D
• 3598[22:12:57] <jhutchins> dStruct: I trust you get the principle.
• 3599[22:12:59] * dvs has lucked out so far
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• 3601[22:13:13] * dStruct does, I ask for help from the people who know the base OS the best
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• 3603[22:13:32] <somiaj> dStruct: If you know that kali is not debian, why you asking here? also I see no package called libgnuradio-baz in debian
• 3604[22:13:37] <teraflops> pip does keep track of packages installed with apt? I'm pretty sure apt does know nothing about things you install with pip
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• 3606[22:13:46] <jhutchins> dStruct: The problem is we don't know what they've changed.
• 3607[22:14:01] <jhutchins> dStruct: In any case, they'd probably send you to pythond support.
• 3608[22:14:05] <jhutchins> !python
• 3609[22:14:06] <dpkg> Python is a very nice scripting language, easy to learn and still quite powerful and elegant if you know how to use it. See replaced-url
• 3610[22:14:09] <dStruct> jhutchins: nothing, bone stock install, did a apt-get install libgnuradio-baz and can't find op25
• 3611[22:14:27] <dStruct> aside from the obvious apt-get update & dist-upgrade
• 3612[22:14:35] <TomTomTosch> ,i libgnuradio-baz
• 3613[22:14:36] <judd> No package named 'libgnuradio-baz' was found in jessie/amd64.
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• 3615[22:14:44] <somiaj> dStruct: so you should also no we are volunetters who choose to only support debian, so that means you are just disrepecting the channel.
• 3616[22:14:49] <TomTomTosch> really, ask your dirstro's support channel.
• 3617[22:15:01] <dStruct> somiaj: how am I disrespecting anyone?
• 3618[22:15:03] <TomTomTosch> that package isn't even in debian.
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• 3621[22:15:39] <somiaj> dStruct: by knowing we don't support kali here and still asking about a package that is not even in debian.
• 3622[22:15:39] <teraflops> dStruct: but as you can see there's no such package in debian jessie
• 3623[22:15:40] <dStruct> TomTomTosch: I wish I could, that channel seems dead as of late
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• 3627[22:16:00] <TomTomTosch> dStruct: we will not be able to help you.
• 3628[22:16:05] <mrrhq> >Choose only to support debian.
• 3629[22:16:12] <mrrhq> Well I use it and love it with all my heart.
• 3630[22:16:12] <teraflops> how are we supposed to help you?
• 3631[22:16:13] <mrrhq> Uh....
• 3632[22:16:14] <dStruct> somiaj: well I'm sorry if I offended you, that was not my intention at all, I'm just trying to find some answers
• 3633[22:16:17] <mrrhq> Yeah.
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• 3635[22:17:04] <somiaj> dStruct: the chanel for kali or maybe python, or try kali's bug reporting system, mailing lists, forums, etc.
• 3636[22:17:19] <dStruct> somiaj: yeah #python doesn't know either, I asked there first
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• 3638[22:18:11] <dStruct> believe me I'm didn't just hop in here to ask stupid questions, I did my due diligence before hand, and have been on Freenode over 10 years, just frustrated and trying to figure this out for days now
• 3639[22:18:17] <dStruct> *I
• 3640[22:18:18] <somiaj> dStruct: there is also ##linux as a generic linux support channel.
• 3641[22:18:21] <jhutchins> dStruct: With things that have a smaller audience like kali, irc really doesn't work, it lacks the critical mass for 24/7 support. You have to go to time-shifted methods like mailing lists and forums.
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• 3643[22:18:56] <dStruct> jhutchins: agreed, and yeah that's basically the case with Kali, I'm about to dump it at this point
• 3644[22:19:30] <jhutchins> dStruct: Have a good look at what they've done, and how they've modified Debian, and consider just making the same changes yourself.
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• 3646[22:20:05] <dStruct> jhutchins: yeah that's basically what I'm going to end up doing, and probably cut out some of the junk as well, Ubuntu has a Kali package that I can install as well, I may go that route
• 3647[22:20:21] <somiaj> dStruct: that is one thing I suggest to people when choosing a distro is the support community, because that is part of what you get with a distro.
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• 3650[22:20:45] <dStruct> I didn't realize how truly different Kali is from Jessie, from what everyone says over in #kali-linux "oh it's just jessie" and/or Debian
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• 3652[22:21:19] <phogg> I'm trying to install an amd64 kernel on my i386 debian system but apt-get wants to remove a whole bunch of packages like e.g. xterm (most of my system really). How is this supposed to work?
• 3653[22:21:25] <dStruct> somiaj: very true, I honestly didn't expect so many issues with Kali, it's been pretty good in the past prior to -rolling
• 3654[22:21:30] <jhutchins> I know of at lest one distro that folded in part because they gave an egotisical bully Ops on their irc channel.
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• 3657[22:21:52] <somiaj> phogg: how are you trying to install the amd64 kernel?
• 3658[22:22:00] <jhutchins> phogg: Did you add the architecture?
• 3659[22:22:07] <mrrhq> They aren't wrong, are they? Sometimes I don't know the point of Debian's forks that just have extra packages installed. I guess people really don't like vanilla. :)
• 3660[22:22:09] <dStruct> well apologies to anyone I may have pissed off or annoyed, not what I was trying to do, I appreciate you guys donating time just as I do on about 10 other channels
• 3661[22:22:17] <phogg> somiaj: apt-get install <package> as usual
• 3662[22:22:21] <somiaj> jhutchins: afiak it would be preferable to install the i386 binary package for the amd64 kernel.
• 3663[22:22:24] <somiaj> phogg: what package?
• 3664[22:22:34] <phogg> jhutchins: yes, dpkg --print-foreign-architectures lists amd64
• 3665[22:22:56] <phogg> somiaj: linux-image-4.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64-unsigned (from jessie-backports)
• 3666[22:22:58] <mrrhq> There's that fork of Crunchbang called BunsenLabs, which is just Openbox with tint2, some heavy configurations and theming.
• 3667[22:23:07] <mrrhq> But their community was very nice at least.
• 3668[22:23:24] <dStruct> mrrhq: well in that respect Kali adds a ton of network utilities and various tools that I use daily, so it's nice to not have to manually install everything, but at this point manually managing them beats dealing with a broken distro
• 3669[22:23:25] <phogg> mrrhq: I never understood changing distros just to switch your default wm
• 3670[22:24:07] <jhutchins> phogg: Some people, especially with heavy Windows background, don't understand the modularity, they think you have to install the whole system for a different DE.
• 3671[22:24:09] <somiaj> phogg: usually more for the preconfiguration and additional packages that may be provided that aren't in debian.
• 3672[22:24:13] <mrrhq> I think they want to attract a new philosophy of thinking in people.
• 3673[22:24:23] <mrrhq> It's called "testing the waters."
• 3674[22:24:50] <phogg> somiaj: I'd be happier installing an i386 arch package that has a 64bit kernel, but I didn't see one available. Seems like all the -amd64 packages are only in amd64 in jessie
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• 3677[22:25:14] <somiaj> phogg: those are i386 packages, they are not multiarch packages which would be packagename:amd64
• 3678[22:25:32] <somiaj> phogg: do you get the same error when trying to install the one from jessie (not jessie-backports)
• 3679[22:25:47] <somiaj> phogg: also note you need the -t jessie-backports line when installing things from jessie backports which you did not say you used.
• 3680[22:25:50] <phogg> somiaj: good question, checking now
• 3681[22:25:54] <phogg> somiaj: yes, I have that
• 3682[22:25:59] <dStruct> much to my surprise the Kali support crowd used to be very active, but I feel like people are moving away from it due to all the issues I've been reading about, hence less help in their channel
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• 3685[22:26:15] <somiaj> phogg: okay, in the future you should type out the exact command used when asked 'how did you install'.
• 3686[22:26:32] <somiaj> phogg: if the 3.16 kernel doesn't work, use paste.debian.net to provide info that the bot says
• 3687[22:26:32] <mrrhq> Like how Devuan wants to get rid of systemd as a dependency.
• 3688[22:26:35] <somiaj> !bat
• 3689[22:26:35] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 3691[22:26:59] <mrrhq> Devuan is probably more complex of a fork than anyhting else mentioned today so far.
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• 3693[22:27:06] <somiaj> dStruct: also not every distro has a strong irc community, sometimes the forums or mailing lists are far better places to be asking.
• 3694[22:27:13] <phogg> somiaj: confirmed, the 3.16 package from jessie has no version problems
• 3695[22:27:34] <n4dir> mrrhq: not that sure. antix has the problem long solved. as far i can tell.
• 3696[22:27:38] <phogg> somiaj: but unfortunately 3.16 doesn't support some of my hardware, which is why I went for backports
• 3697[22:27:44] <somiaj> phogg: so must be something with the backports kernel. Now try the backports kernel, could be installing the 3.16 one pulled in some stuff required for the backports one.
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• 3701[22:28:06] <phogg> somiaj: no other packages were pulled in with the 3.16 package
• 3702[22:28:08] <somiaj> phogg: it is sometimes safer when dealing with jessie-backports package to install the jessie one first, then upgrade to the backports version.
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• 3704[22:28:22] <dStruct> somiaj: oh believe me I've searched all over looking for answers, most of it seems to circle around libboost issues, so at this point I think it is what it is, Kali has issues and I'm just going to have drop it and use something like Ubuntu (usually my goto distro)
• 3705[22:28:23] <mrrhq> Mailing lists are so non-interactive. Ugh.
• 3706[22:28:25] <somiaj> phogg: okay, provide some of the info from the bot's !bat factoid, like full output of all commands you run.
• 3707[22:28:27] <mrrhq> I tried them once...
• 3708[22:28:28] <phogg> somiaj: still waiting on the download, but I'll let you know
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• 3714[22:29:20] <mrrhq> Ubuntu is still not Debian, though. :)
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• 3716[22:29:40] <nobody44> Hello. I have an issue with my Zotac ZBox 520CI, which has an digital audio output (SPDIF), but I can not get it working in Debian Jessie.
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• 3720[22:30:03] <somiaj> mrrhq: ubuntu is hard to classify as a debian derivative any more either, they are their own os, who just happens to use .debs and non-core packages from debian.
• 3721[22:30:07] <nobody44> Usually there must be the red light coming out of the other end of the cable, but it doesnt
• 3722[22:30:26] <nobody44> Any idea what I might be missing?
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• 3724[22:30:48] <phogg> somiaj: it's especially hard because of the amount of sharing of source packages that occurs
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• 3726[22:31:16] <jhutchins> nobody44: Do you see the SPDIF output in the mixer?
• 3727[22:31:19] <somiaj> phogg: outside the core yes, the core is vastly different though.
• 3728[22:31:22] <nobody44> yes, I do
• 3729[22:31:26] <nobody44> it is not muted
• 3730[22:31:26] <phogg> somiaj: yeah
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• 3732[22:31:29] <nobody44> but it says "00"
• 3733[22:31:36] <nobody44> twice actually, I see two SPDIF outputs
• 3734[22:31:48] <mrrhq> somiaj: Yes, and they are considering switching to Snappy packages. I think they will start to leave the "Debian ecosystem" completely.
• 3735[22:31:56] <nobody44> one is named "S/PDIF", the other one "S/PDIF Default PCM"
• 3736[22:32:08] <mrrhq> One fact will never change. That is... Ubuntu was never written from scratch.
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• 3740[22:32:25] <n4dir> most distros are not
• 3741[22:32:31] <dStruct> mrrhq: this is true, I'm disto/os agnostic, I run System V R3, and actually have a working MPX-32 install, among other newer distros
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• 3743[22:32:39] <phogg> So on to my next problem while I watch this progress bar. Any idea how to troubleshoot alsa not agreeing to send audio out through the headphone jack? I'll accept links to appropriate literature.
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• 3747[22:34:03] <jhutchins> !alsa checklist
• 3748[22:34:04] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
• 3749[22:34:06] <somiaj> phogg: Is the headphone jack the same sound card or a different one? What sound driver are you using (the snd_intel_hda driver)?
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• 3751[22:34:21] <jhutchins> phogg: Also be aware that pulseaudio can get in the way.
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• 3757[22:34:55] <nobody44> I do not mind pulseaudio? The HDMI output works fine, even with passthrough in Kodi
• 3758[22:35:05] <nobody44> sadly my TV can not passthrough DTS...
• 3759[22:35:15] <mrrhq> dStruct: I've never heard of MPX-32 before. What's it like? Is it unix-like, and does it use an interface?
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• 3762[22:35:18] <somiaj> nobody44: pluseaudio has some nice features, though I like alsa myself.
• 3763[22:35:22] <teraflops> pulseaudio is best choice 90% of the time
• 3764[22:35:29] <somiaj> I also don't think MPX-32 is not debian. (:
• 3765[22:35:33] <phogg> jhutchins: Not my first rodeo. Headphone is plugged in, mixer for it is unmuted and up, pulse/esd not installed, speakers have no on/off switch, aplay plays... just through the laptop main speakers and not to the headphones, no oss4 ever touched this box
• 3766[22:35:46] <phogg> somiaj: same card, and yeah it's intel
• 3767[22:35:55] <mrrhq> Sorry, somiaj. I know I'm going off-topic.
• 3768[22:36:11] <dStruct> mrrhq: it's pre-BSD UNIX, it's one of the very earliest UNIX's in existence from what I've read, I run it in production on a SEL 32/67 32-bit mainframe system among a few other mainframes/real-time systems
• 3769[22:36:18] <somiaj> phogg: that intel driver has lots of different models, and some settings for how the card deals with additional ports.
• 3770[22:36:19] <phogg> somiaj: the only weird thing is there's some kind of nvidia sound thing in this system, too, but it's not card0
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• 3772[22:36:38] <somiaj> phogg: hdmi video cards all include sound cards for the hdmi output
• 3773[22:36:43] <dStruct> mrrhq: replaced-url
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• 3775[22:36:57] <mrrhq> dStruct: #debian-offtopic
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• 3777[22:37:05] <mrrhq> Sounds cool to me, though. ;)
• 3778[22:37:16] <phogg> somiaj: gotcha on the intel thing; likely there's some param I can pass to the module at load time. Any idea how to find out what?
• 3779[22:37:18] <somiaj> phogg: replaced-url
• 3780[22:37:20] <dStruct> mrrhq: very off-topic :D and yes it is
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• 3782[22:37:28] <phogg> somiaj: you're way ahead of me, thanks for the link!
• 3783[22:37:36] <somiaj> phogg: yea you'll configure this in /etc/modprobe.d/foo.config
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• 3829[22:58:28] <flapa> hi everybody! disabling ipv6 like described on this page doesn't work for me, any other ideas? replaced-url
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• 3837[23:01:10] <teraflops> flapa: why disabling ipv6 is a good idea?
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• 3839[23:02:23] <flapa> because i want to "serve" only ipv4 in my local network
• 3840[23:02:45] <flapa> but i knew this question would come up before the first answer/hint :)D
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• 3844[23:03:42] <teraflops> flapa: serve as in how? dhcp server?
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• 3849[23:05:09] <flapa> i just want to disable it on my debian client
• 3850[23:05:13] <flapa> :(
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• 3852[23:05:32] <flapa> do you know why the instructions from the debian wiki are not working?
• 3853[23:05:37] <teraflops> flapa: tell it to not grab a ipv6 address
• 3854[23:06:02] <teraflops> flapa: disabling ipv6 the way you want is just wrong
• 3855[23:06:50] <flapa> and how???
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• 3857[23:07:17] <flapa> in /etc/network/interfaces is no option set that it should receive an ipv6 address
• 3858[23:07:48] <teraflops> flapa: start by telling how is your client obtaining the ip address and from where
• 3859[23:07:53] <flapa> you mean in the networing settings GUI under "ipv6 settings" and set it to what?
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• 3861[23:08:27] <flapa> doesnt matter
• 3862[23:08:34] <flapa> i want to disable it on the CLIENT!
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• 3865[23:09:12] <flapa> the wiki has an answer, but that doesn't work. do you know why not? do you know another way?
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• 3867[23:10:28] <teraflops> start by providing the related info, I run out of crystal balls.
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• 3871[23:12:04] <teraflops> /e/n/i, NM, conman, systemd-networkd, on the other side is there a dhcp server, radvd, both?
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• 3873[23:13:36] <flapa> i dont get you
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• 3902[23:31:07] <domovoy> hi
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• 3905[23:33:30] <domovoy> Any idea where i can get a free ssl certificate, for which the CA would be well accepted by most systems? (seems that the ones issued by startssl are not in debian, at least in stable)
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• 3911[23:35:45] <Brigo> domovoy, replaced-url
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• 3921[23:38:46] <rocketmagnet> hi all, i've installed the linux nvidia drivers and now when i start X after the login i get no pannels anymore :( :(, i just blacklisted nouveau and did an "init 3" and run the binary installer who also tells me it's not able to install the 32 bit libraries of the driver :(
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• 3929[23:42:48] <menace> is there a possibility in apt to list all packages from a certain repository which i added in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/?
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• 3931[23:43:22] <dvs> grep ?
• 3932[23:44:26] <menace> yeah, i could wget packages.gz and grep.. but i thougth, perhaps there's already a command in apt.. i mean, apt has.. everything and the kitchensink (and i like that :D)
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• 3939[23:48:49] <domovoy> i was thinking about letsencrypt, but is it already widely accepted?
• 3940[23:49:18] <vectr0n> yup
• 3941[23:49:19] <gildarts> I have had no troubles with letsencrypt certs.
• 3942[23:49:24] <dvs> domovoy, oh yes
• 3943[23:49:25] <vectr0n> same
• 3944[23:49:38] <vectr0n> even when they were "beta" they were widely accepted for the most part
• 3945[23:49:54] <TomTomTosch> menace: aptitude has. aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?archive(<archive>))' does not list obsolete packages, that were originally from that archive, though.
• 3946[23:50:50] <SuperTramp83> menace: don't know about apt, but synaptic can give you the list, look for the tab "origin".
• 3947[23:51:13] <domovoy> great, thanks
• 3948[23:51:19] <TomTomTosch> menace: oh, misread. aptitude search '?archive(<archive>)' for all packages, not only installed.
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• 3950[23:51:37] <menace> TomTomTosch: thanks for the hint.. i have to look at that syntax *headscratch* :D
• 3951[23:52:03] <menace> SuperTramp83: i have no gui at that server.. though i could do this in a virtualmachine with gui :D
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