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• 31[00:12:43] <altker128> OK, how can I do an fsck on my root file system? Debian Jessie
• 32[00:12:54] <altker128> touch /forcefsck doesn't seem to do it
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• 49[00:21:16] <teraflops> altker128: it wont work (touch /forcefsck)
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• 54[00:24:00] <jhutchins_wk> altker128: systemd should be checking it at boot anyway.
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• 56[00:25:05] <Guest12345> hello
• 57[00:25:15] <Guest12345> are there any logs of this channel?
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• 59[00:25:21] <teraflops> altker128: the system already check the fs at boot, there's a fsck hook too
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• 70[00:28:09] <teraflops> Guest12345: there's a fsck.mode=force param for grub, never tested it though
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• 73[00:29:23] <teraflops> lucky me…
• 74[00:29:53] <teraflops> Guest12345: sorry I meant altker128
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• 83[00:32:24] <teraflops> Guest12345: public ones?
• 84[00:32:49] <diego1_> hello, how does debsums knows how to check for modified config files for a given package? after the package has been installed, inside /var/lib/dpkg/info/ there are the md5 checksums only for the packages data.tar.xz, not for the configuration files
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• 88[00:33:29] <Guest12345> teraflops: yes, public ones and recent. the ones dpkg has are 2 days old
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• 92[00:35:29] <Guest12345> diego1_: The checksums of config files are stored elsewhere because they are treated specially. Or like the general sums are later addon for the files not checksummed by the configfile mechanism
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• 95[00:35:55] <somiaj> diego1_: you should also not cross post, since you have now been answered in two different places.
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• 97[00:36:33] <altker128> awal1: Well, installing mate desktop forced a graphical login!
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• 99[00:37:13] <awal1> altker128: which pkg you installed exactly?
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• 103[00:37:37] <altker128> awal1: apt-get install task-mate-desktop
• 104[00:37:54] <likcoras_> How would I go about disabling touchpad on mouse detection?
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• 106[00:38:06] <altker128> awal1: I guess I just needed mate-desktop-environment-core
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• 108[00:38:54] <awal1> altker128: check what task-mate-desktop is (aptitude show pkgname)
• 109[00:39:27] <somiaj> altker128: do you just want to disable the display manager?
• 110[00:39:35] <awal1> aptitude search mate | less and look what you want to install exactly, maybe just mate-core or I dont know exactly
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• 113[00:39:57] <awal1> I'm not familiar with mate, sorry
• 114[00:39:59] <altker128> somiaj: I don't want it to auto startx, and run the graphical display manager
• 115[00:40:01] <somiaj> I would think the core of mate would also pull in a display manager.
• 116[00:40:06] <somiaj> altker128: that is the display manager
• 117[00:40:08] <somiaj> !nodm
• 118[00:40:08] <dpkg> Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
• 119[00:40:25] <teraflops> altker128: then disable whatever DM got installed
• 120[00:40:25] <somiaj> altker128: do that echo false > line to set the default-display-manager to nothing, then none will load.
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• 128[00:43:34] <awal1> altker128: you just have to find the base mate pkg which doesnt pull a DM in your base system
• 129[00:43:50] <awal1> use aptitude search/apt-cache depends and so
• 130[00:44:03] <altker128> awal1: somiaj's suggestion worked
• 131[00:44:05] <altker128> somiaj: Thank you!
• 132[00:44:11] <altker128> awal1: Thanks also for your help!
• 133[00:44:13] <awal1> he wants a base system + mate. I guess he will use startx
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• 135[00:44:42] <altker128> I think there's an odd bug in the Broadcom Ethernet driver, it's running in 100 Mbps mode, and the firmware-linux-nonfree has been installed...
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• 137[00:44:46] <diego1_> somiaj_: sorry for cross posting, I will write only on this channel, I've found that dpkg --status <packagename> reports md5 checksums for config files, some of them are marked as obsolete, but I cannot understand what does that means
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• 141[00:45:55] <somiaj> diego1_: if a package upgrades and no longer uses a config file it is left on the system. This is usually a bug in the package as the package should additionally remove obsolete config files when it is upgraded
• 142[00:47:09] <diego1_> somiaj_: you mean removed by the prerm / postrm scripts?
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• 144[00:48:14] <somiaj> diego1_: and the install ones to using dpkg-maintscript-helper rm_conffile
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• 146[00:48:45] <teraflops> altker128: check the ethernet cable
• 147[00:48:50] <somiaj> diego1_: basically upgrading a package will not remove config files (just in case you want to keep them). There needs to be an andditioal script that will remove it if it matches the checksum of the default or place it as an old config file for backup.
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• 149[00:49:07] <teraflops> altker128: if the cable is fine try forcing it with ethtool
• 150[00:49:29] <teraflops> altker128: I talk about the cable because ikr…
• 151[00:49:55] <altker128> teraflops: Yeah, I tried a few different cables
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• 153[00:50:14] <teraflops> altker128: tried also in another operating system (MS)?
• 154[00:50:32] <altker128> teraflops: Yeah . It's not the worst thing in the world but very annoying
• 155[00:50:56] <awal1> altker128: you confuse DM/DE/X :P Anyway, I guess what you want at the end is autologin to your X (your mate session). I think you're done now with nodm
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• 157[00:51:49] <altker128> awal1: Yeah . It's fixed with the option somiaj suggested
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• 161[00:53:28] <SpaceAce> Is there a way to run a windows CLI exe in wine?
• 162[00:54:14] <awal1> altker128: if hours ago you said " I want to autologin to my mate session " whould have been quicker the solution :P Anyway, you're happy no
• 163[00:54:18] <awal1> !next
• 164[00:54:18] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
• 165[00:54:32] <altker128> awal1: I want it to NOT autologin .
• 166[00:54:36] <somiaj> SpaceAce: wine cmd seems to rm cmd, then maybe run it from there.
• 167[00:55:05] <awal1> heh?
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• 169[00:55:29] <altker128> awal1: No auto starting of X and whatever xdm/gdm/lightdm/kdm (can't keep track of these anymore).
• 170[00:55:38] <diego1_> somiaj_: this mean that even if all preinst / postinst / prerm / postrm contains the dpkg-maintscript-helper rm_conffile line, doing apt-get upgrade will not remove the config files, not obsolete?
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• 175[00:55:57] <diego1_> somiaj_: now* obsolete
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• 177[00:56:44] <somiaj> diego1_: the package matainer needs to include that when removing a config file to ensure the old config gets removed during the upgrade.
• 178[00:56:49] <awal1> altker128: what you don't want is a display manager (lightdm in your case), so with nodm you get no display manager + autologin
• 179[00:56:55] <awal1> ok, dinner time ;)
• 180[00:57:03] <somiaj> diego1_: you can also safely remove any obslete config files yourself.
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• 182[00:57:42] <teraflops> SpaceAce: tried wine cmd
• 183[00:57:50] <teraflops> ?
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• 185[00:58:02] <somiaj> that's what I suggested, though I have never used it.
• 186[00:58:17] <diego1_> somiaj_: removing manually with rm makes debsums complain about missing config files, however apt-get --reinstall install removes the files and debsums does not complain anymore
• 187[00:59:01] <teraflops> I have Wine Staging 2.0-rc2 (and it works) no idea if it will work there
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• 189[00:59:56] <somiaj> diego1_: ahh, yea this is something I only recentally ran into with a package I was working with. Apperntally just removing the config file from the package isn't enough.
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• 211[01:14:07] <altker128> Hrm. I'm trying to prevent Jessie from doing ANY kind of suspend when I close the lid ; I've followed : replaced-url
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• 222[01:18:14] <altker128> teraflops: I think there's something broken with the Ethernet on this machine, different cables, and other equipment, still never linked at 1000 Mbps
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• 231[01:20:44] <teraflops> altker128: you mean a hw issue?
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• 234[01:23:41] <teraflops> altker128: tried ethtool?
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• 236[01:24:08] <grawity> maybe it doesn't have a 1000 Mbps port
• 237[01:24:11] <altker128> teraflops: Yeah, I think it's a HW issue. Maybe a broken PCB trace or the magnetics have an issue
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• 239[01:24:19] <altker128> grawity: Uhh, it's 1 Gbps port
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• 243[01:24:46] <Guest12345> altker128: 1) remove systemd ;-) 2) failing that 'customize' the suspend and sleep targets by copying to /etc/systemd and comment out the commands
• 244[01:25:14] <altker128> Guest12345: I think I got it working by messing with the UPower configuration . Lid closes, can ssh into it, etc
• 245[01:25:19] <Guest12345> systemd makes cutomizing init scripts so easy and manageable !
• 246[01:25:32] <Guest12345> cool
• 247[01:25:48] <altker128> As long as it stays working with the lid closed!!
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• 249[01:26:22] <grawity> permanent: disable it in logind.conf; temporary: systemd-inhibit --what=sleep:handle-lid-switch sleep infinity
• 250[01:26:33] <altker128> grawity: Yeah, did that
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• 284[01:48:21] <blade__> must suck, you know
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• 289[01:51:06] <blade__> hey
• 290[01:51:07] <blade__> debian
• 291[01:51:19] <blade__> it MUST suck, you know, how things have turned out recently
• 292[01:51:22] <blade__> am I wrong?
• 293[01:51:40] <blade__> I think you are SAD because of SOME THINGS (some thing) that happened recently!!!!
• 294[01:51:49] <blade__> AM I INCORRECT IN THINKING THIS?
• 295[01:52:06] <blade__> I heard that paultag is quite unhappy about recent thing, no?
• 296[01:52:08] <blade__> QUITE!
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• 308[02:00:20] <blade__> anyon here?
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• 312[02:04:21] <stoned> so I want to run a diff debian based distribution for something, and I need to be able to use it natively in my host. Is there now a better way than chroot, or still that?
• 313[02:04:53] <blade__> stoned: Trump fucking won, bitch cunt
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• 315[02:04:58] <blade__> stoned: TRUMP FUCKING WON
• 316[02:04:59] <stoned> Usually I always ran sid chroot and used the apps there
• 317[02:05:04] <blade__> You hear that systemd-debian
• 318[02:05:08] <stoned> but I ownder now they have those containers and all that
• 319[02:05:12] <blade__> your faggot cuck lennit is on the OUTS
• 320[02:05:21] <blade__> Trump and Putin control your fate now
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• 322[02:05:37] <altker128> No ops around?
• 323[02:05:40] <TomTomTo1> !ops noise
• 324[02:05:41] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: tomtomto1 complains about: noise
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• 330[02:05:50] <TomTomTo1> thanks
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• 333[02:06:44] <altker128> Great. Now I'm being private msg'd
• 334[02:07:12] <TomTomTo1> /ignore them.
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• 336[02:08:01] <altker128> If only lennit was here.
• 337[02:08:55] <somiaj> stoned: chroot is fine for lots of things. Vm if you want a full os, and there are other types of containers for more complicated setups.
• 338[02:09:12] <stoned> Well, I wanted to try KDE5
• 339[02:09:19] <stoned> Whateve is in testing or maybe sid
• 340[02:09:23] <stoned> replaced-url
• 341[02:09:31] <stoned> here's something I found in googly moogly
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• 345[02:09:58] <stoned> I'm unfamiliar w/ lxc so now I have to look into that
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• 347[02:10:01] <somiaj> stoned: I haven't tried running xorg from inside a chroot.
• 348[02:10:26] <stoned> It's fun
• 349[02:10:35] <somiaj> stoned: vm might work (lxc is kinda like a vm).
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• 351[02:10:42] <altker128> lxc is awesome
• 352[02:10:51] <altker128> lxc configuration is badly documented
• 353[02:12:06] <stoned> \o/
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• 361[02:18:17] <awal1> Why sound is so low on youtube?
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• 365[02:19:53] <Ooze> hello
• 366[02:20:10] <awal1> nothing really new with kde 5 for end used/daily use; more polished but just a bit more heavy and less customizable than previous versions :P
• 367[02:20:20] <awal1> end user *
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• 371[02:20:54] <awal1> and gtk apps less integrated
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• 373[02:21:06] <Ooze> I'm using rsync to copy files, and getting Permission denied for certain system file backup directories -- if I use sudo to execute my rsync command will this ruin my permissions or will they be preserved?
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• 377[02:22:29] <altker128> Ooze: There's an rsync option that perserves permissions
• 378[02:22:37] <Ooze> Oh boy
• 379[02:22:37] <altker128> Ooze: preserves even
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• 383[02:23:37] <Ooze> I'm using rsync -auv, should that encompass it?
• 384[02:24:51] <awal1> thanks to pulseaudio and pasystray letting me put sound above 100 for be able to hear in youtube
• 385[02:25:23] <LtL> Ooze: -p = preserve permissions, man rsync
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• 387[02:26:54] <Ooze> What's the best way for me to compare two drives to ensure I've backed up everything?
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• 390[02:27:20] <Ooze> rsync -pauv --progress /media/huron/ /media/transfer/
• 391[02:27:21] <Ooze> -- I think I've got it all...
• 392[02:27:24] <LtL> Ooze: diff
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• 426[02:47:32] <vjacob> any idea what to do about a "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1" whenever I run systemctl ? (Debian stable)
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• 431[02:50:09] <somiaj> vjacob: check if dbus is installed and running
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• 433[02:51:07] <vjacob> 1334 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system
• 434[02:51:29] <vjacob> I've tried to apt-get download systemd + dbus and then dpkg -i them both, I've tried rebooting, I've Googled a bit
• 435[02:51:32] <vjacob> no ideas.
• 436[02:51:54] <vjacob> it also does not appear to be related to which user I am logged in as
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• 439[02:53:19] <vjacob> daemon.log: "dbus[1334]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.systemd1' is the last line in there
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• 443[02:56:25] <maxxe> ffmpeg on jessie?
• 444[02:57:39] <deego> vjacob: how did the problem start?
• 445[02:57:56] <awal1> maxxe: no
• 446[02:58:06] <awal1> maybe in backports
• 447[02:58:14] <awal1> ,v ffmpeg
• 448[02:58:15] <judd> Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.18-0+deb7u1; jessie-backports: 7:3.2.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 7:3.2.2-1; sid: 7:3.2.2-1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:3.2.2-dmo2
• 449[02:58:36] <vjacob> deego: no idea, but the system still boots
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• 451[02:59:09] <vjacob> 4.1.36-mbl+ #6 Fri Dec 2 16:06:21 UTC 2016 ppc GNU/Linux
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• 459[03:03:10] <vjacob> I just noticed it 5 min ago trying to run a debuild of netatalk
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• 475[03:15:46] <vjacob> deego, anyi deas?
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• 481[03:18:23] <deego> vjacob: not really. I have seen nothing but trouble and instabilities with systemd, even on my amd64 machines. On ppc, all bets are off. When it works, it's fine. But, the moment you go off the beaten road just a little bitI have seen way too many problems by now. :|
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• 484[03:18:50] <deego> vjacob: i guess you could read up and try going to a systemd-free debian.. ?
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• 488[03:20:30] <vjacob> after reading replaced-url
• 489[03:20:57] <vjacob> deego: I see, good to have you experince on that, thanks for sharing
• 490[03:21:41] <somiaj> you could use sysvint and see if that helps, though looks like an unstandard kernel.
• 491[03:22:54] <themill> dbus has no dependency on an X server
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• 493[03:23:19] <Artemis3> you do know ppc has no systemd do you? xD
• 494[03:23:36] <Artemis3> which is why debian promptly dropped the platform...
• 495[03:23:40] <themill> eh?
• 496[03:24:30] <vjacob> Artemis3, no I didn't. I am just installing the packages that come with dist-upgrade. Good to know
• 497[03:24:40] <Artemis3> don't go beyond jessie
• 498[03:24:48] <themill> vjacob: don't believe everything you read
• 499[03:24:49] <vjacob> I am on jessie, and it's still an issue
• 500[03:24:58] <deego> vjacob: re: "whenever i run systemctl" , what are you trying to do ?
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• 502[03:25:13] <vjacob> deego: start a service (netatalk)
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• 507[03:25:54] <vjacob> would also be nice to be able to do 'systemctl -a' without an unknown error -1
• 508[03:26:07] <Artemis3> im hoping devuan picks up ppc but even that is unsure
• 509[03:26:18] * vjacob reads up on devuan
• 510[03:26:38] <Artemis3> all the work to untie debian packages from systemd can and will be useful in this situation, beyond jessie.
• 511[03:26:47] <themill> Artemis3: umm no
• 512[03:26:55] <themill> Artemis3: there is no issue with powerpc and systemd
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• 514[03:27:45] <Artemis3> there are issues even in x86 lol, but have fun, good luck using that.
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• 516[03:28:12] <themill> Artemis3: you are conflating random unrelated things and making yourself look like an idiot in the process
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• 519[03:28:54] <vjacob> themill: any ideas how to troubleshoot this?
• 520[03:29:07] <awal1> Artemis: is "x86 lol" a new debian based OS?
• 521[03:29:17] <themill> vjacob: is systemd even your init system?
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• 526[03:31:02] <vjacob> themill: to answer your question, I first read replaced-url
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• 528[03:31:26] <themill> The output of "ps 1" should be enough
• 529[03:31:27] <vjacob> themill: unfortunately, I have both "/usr/lib/systemd", "/usr/share/upstart" and "/etc/init.d"
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• 532[03:31:55] <vjacob> themill, great, I am running init it seems
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• 534[03:32:10] <vjacob> that would explain it
• 535[03:32:19] <themill> yeah, so it's hardly systemd's fault...
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• 541[03:33:07] <vjacob> I didn't say it was. I am a beginner in these things. but btw, I thought my original question related to 'dbus' and I am not even sure how we ended up discussing systemd vs. init
• 542[03:33:37] <Artemis3> vjacob, its a fact debian dropped ppc, be advised.
• 543[03:34:23] <themill> vjacob: using systemctl makes no sense if you're not using systemd
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• 547[03:35:04] <vjacob> themill: right. I admit it. I let myself be snake charmed by a guide on setting up netatalk
• 548[03:35:27] <themill> vjacob: what does "readlink -f /sbin/init" say?
• 549[03:35:33] <Artemis3> mixing inits is not good either, how did you ended with upstart?
• 550[03:35:35] <TomTomTo1> (debian didn't drop support for ppc with jessie. even extended support to ppc64 with jessie.)
• 551[03:35:44] <vjacob> note to self: always remember that guides on setting up services must be taken with a grain of salt and fair adoption to the init system used
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• 553[03:36:05] <vjacob> Artemis3, dist-upgrade?
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• 559[03:38:33] <vjacob> actually there is just a folder 'upstart' in /usr/share but the package is not installed
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• 563[03:40:17] <vjacob> I think the thing that got me sidetracked was simply that 'netatalk' seemed to required both 'dbus', 'avahi-daemon' and a whole ton of stuff
• 564[03:40:17] <Artemis3> ok then remove systemd if you think thats the culprit by installing sysvinit-core
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• 568[03:40:45] <Artemis3> it doesn't really remove it but at least it wont be init 1
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• 570[03:40:58] <Artemis3> for true removal you need to switch distros.
• 571[03:41:21] <awal1> vjacob: you have answered themill question. what says "ps --pid 1 -f" and "stat /sbin/init" or "readlink -f /sbin/init" ?
• 572[03:41:22] <themill> Artemis3: please stop
• 573[03:41:23] <Artemis3> and remember to not go beyond jessie, no testing/sid.
• 574[03:41:44] <vjacob> awal1, I answered 'init'
• 575[03:42:01] <themill> vjacob: readlink -f /sbin/init will not return that
• 576[03:42:10] <awal1> :D
• 577[03:42:20] <vjacob> awal1, thank you for the very helpful suggestions though, you also themill
• 578[03:42:35] <vjacob> and Artemis3, I will take note of your thoughts on the subject of powerpc
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• 590[03:46:19] * vjacob tries another ./configuer this time --with-init-style=debian
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• 592[03:46:47] <themill> vjacob: what does "readlink -f /sbin/init" say?
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• 594[03:47:14] <vjacob> /sbin/init
• 595[03:47:59] <themill> So yes, you're not using systemd there.
• 596[03:48:14] <vjacob> thank you. I learned a few things from this little adventure
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• 605[03:49:36] <vjacob> I guess for a while I just assumed that 'dbus', 'init', and 'systemd' were working in tandem, being new to all this, seeing as they had been installed in conjunction updating the system somehow
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• 607[03:49:52] <Artemis3> they do after jessie...
• 608[03:50:47] <themill> they are separate things
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• 658[04:34:43] <deego> vjacob: if you are not running systemd, what package is systemctl from?
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• 664[04:38:05] <themill> deego: systemctl is in the systemd package; the systemd package has nothing to do with booting with systemd
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• 669[04:40:50] <awal1> themill: so one can use systemctl for x task being systemd not the default init?
• 670[04:40:58] <themill> no
• 671[04:41:59] <awal1> hmm, obvious yeah; deego may meant "why you use systemctl if you don't use systemd", I guess
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• 673[04:43:27] <awal1> well, as a "simple" end user, I just want my machine/system to work fine; I don't care if using systemd, upstart, openrc, sysvinit or dalai lama
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• 678[04:47:48] <awal1> the only thing I notice under jessie vs wheezy, for daily home use, my system boots and shuts down faster with systemd compared to sysvinit :P
• 679[04:49:24] <awal1> I don't really know what systemd lets me do and sysvinit won't
• 680[04:50:23] <awal1> what one can do with systemd and can't do the same with sysvinit?
• 681[04:50:52] <awal1> or vice versa
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• 688[04:57:58] <KODY928021> how can I add patch to debian official kernel?
• 689[04:58:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1608
• 690[04:58:15] <KODY928021> this doc seems outdated replaced-url
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• 693[05:02:46] <somiaj> KODY928021: why do you think it is out dated?
• 694[05:03:20] <KODY928021> somiaj / fakeroot make -f debian/rules.real install-linux-base [error] there is no rules
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• 699[05:04:14] <KODY928021> also fakeroot debian/rules binary raise [error] debian/build/build-doc/Documentation/output/html: No such file or directory
• 700[05:04:41] <somiaj> what version of debian is this and what kernel?
• 701[05:05:24] <baraba> which version of chromium had those ssl problems
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• 703[05:06:12] <somiaj> version 53, get the latest one from security for debian stable
• 704[05:06:35] <somiaj> baraba: ^^
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• 709[05:07:41] <baraba> thx, somiaj
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• 712[05:08:42] <baraba> just got the update for testing somiaj
• 713[05:08:49] <baraba> amazon works again, lol
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• 716[05:10:22] <somiaj> baraba: yea testing gets security updates slowly. You would have had to grab it from sid before it made it
• 717[05:10:49] <baraba> so security wise better to run sid?
• 718[05:11:01] <somiaj> if you can deal with teh bugs it has
• 719[05:11:05] <somiaj> security wise, better to run stable.
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• 729[05:14:53] <SKYRAN> baraba: Do you mean "Certificate Transparency" by ssl problem?
• 730[05:16:05] <baraba> no idea what the problem was, but bunch of https website didn't work
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• 734[05:17:14] <SKYRAN> baraba: Get reb lock mark?
• 735[05:17:18] <SKYRAN> reb-> red
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• 738[05:19:00] <baraba> wdym SKYRAN?
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• 740[05:19:23] <baraba> I could access some websites by ignoring the warnings
• 741[05:19:32] <baraba> but some websites didn't work at all
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• 744[05:21:14] <SKYRAN> baraba: firefox and chromium cut support for ssl 3.0. In addition chromium start to only valid site which have "Certificate Transparency" and most don't have.
• 745[05:21:58] <somiaj> KODY928021: I see debian/README.source with some info that may help.
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• 748[05:23:55] <somiaj> KODY928021: also debian/README.Debian has some build info
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• 750[05:25:53] <KODY928021> somiaj hmm thx but I cannot find both file in both source kernel package and kernel package replaced-url
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• 752[05:26:32] <somiaj> KODY928021: how did you get the debian source, I did apt-get source linux and it was there, and also what kernel version and debian version?
• 753[05:26:38] <KODY928021> yes
• 754[05:26:44] <KODY928021> 4.9 jessie backports
• 755[05:26:53] <themill> the source package is 'linux' not 'linux-latest' or 'linux-signed'
• 756[05:27:09] <KODY928021> oh I see...
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• 774[05:50:26] <SKYRAN> Hi, Is there any movement to make freebsd port to next stable relase?
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• 776[05:52:06] <georgia> do you mean stretch? they haven't even released debian jessie gnu/kfreesbd yet
• 777[05:52:19] <georgia> replaced-url
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• 779[05:53:18] <SKYRAN> georgia: I mean meybe they relase freebsd stable port by strech. Is there any plan or not?
• 780[05:54:26] <SKYRAN> georgia: I want to FREE myself from LINUX!
• 781[05:54:26] <georgia> well its not in active development. but it will happen after stretch itself becomes stable. they don't port testing releases.
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• 783[05:54:50] <georgia> hahaha monolithic kernel got you down?
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• 785[05:55:38] <SKYRAN> georgia: SO SAD! BSD is monolithic. GNU/Hurd is micro
• 786[05:55:54] <georgia> I know ;) but hurd is crazy unstable
• 787[05:56:10] <georgia> does freebsd have binary blobs?
• 788[05:56:14] <SKYRAN> Geotob: I want to relase my self from Linus Torvalds
• 789[05:56:27] <Artemis3> georgia, yes, you can install nvidia etc.
• 790[05:56:34] <georgia> I have exactly the same sentiment
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• 792[05:57:03] <georgia> he's kind of a jerk sometimes. pretending the gnu project is just as important as apache. pffffft
• 793[05:57:13] <Artemis3> debian didn't care to keep kFreebsd and others because... themill knows why.
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• 797[05:57:41] <georgia> But I'm not a full-blown stallmanite
• 798[05:57:57] <georgia> I'm a sinner. I have a non-free firmware.
• 799[05:58:07] <SKYRAN> Artemis3: Really?!
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• 801[05:58:46] <Artemis3> all roads lead to poettering xD
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• 806[05:59:16] <georgia> I don't think so. debian-bsd@lists.debian.org
• 807[05:59:31] <Artemis3> yeah its in the.. ports
• 808[05:59:36] <georgia> gah people stop leaving and joining it's filling the page with crap.
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• 810[05:59:47] <Artemis3> disable showing those
• 811[06:00:08] <georgia> how exactly? Using hexchat fyi. my first time. :)
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• 813[06:00:20] <Artemis3> right click channel name
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• 816[06:01:19] <georgia> and then?
• 817[06:01:26] <Artemis3> properties?
• 818[06:01:31] <georgia> my options don't include that
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• 820[06:01:39] <SKYRAN> Please become Stable FreeBSD :)
• 821[06:01:41] <georgia> just "settings'
• 822[06:01:50] <Artemis3> SKYRAN, use freebsd?
• 823[06:02:11] <georgia> he uses (or wants to use) gnu/kfreebsd
• 824[06:02:15] <SKYRAN> Artemis3: Yess FreeBSD
• 825[06:02:30] <SKYRAN> OK GNU/FreeBSD
• 826[06:02:33] <georgia> artemis, what irc client are you using
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• 828[06:02:51] <Artemis3> im old xD
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• 830[06:03:11] <georgia> oh is it like aim or something?
• 831[06:03:23] <Artemis3> hexchat is a fork of xchat
• 832[06:03:35] <georgia> I'm cognizant of that
• 833[06:03:54] <georgia> oh, you're using xchat?
• 834[06:03:58] <Artemis3> xchat has that option to hide people coming/leaving
• 835[06:04:13] <georgia> ahah. I'll keep looking through the settings
• 836[06:05:09] <SKYRAN> georgia: If your desktop is KDE it apps have good IRC Client
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• 838[06:05:51] <georgia> nope it's mate
• 839[06:06:06] <georgia> i couldn't stand gnome3
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• 841[06:06:37] <SKYRAN> georgia: I use GNOME3 right now
• 842[06:06:43] <SKYRAN> on Debian Live
• 843[06:06:53] <georgia> you just changed color
• 844[06:07:03] <georgia> why live?
• 845[06:07:25] <SKYRAN> I boot from my cool disk in persistence mod
• 846[06:07:30] <georgia> gnome3 could be great and I adore the gnome project. but the utter lack of configurability is stifling
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• 848[06:08:15] <SKYRAN> georgia: I use KDE and GNOME combanation. When I tired of one I swich
• 849[06:08:25] <SKYRAN> Simple :)
• 850[06:08:30] <georgia> for instance when I used gnome3 I had to have tweaks. and I just so happened to learn that my tweaks (applications menu, places menu, tabs) made my dekstop into gnome2
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• 852[06:08:50] <georgia> so I thought, why the fuck not just get mate instead?
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• 854[06:09:21] <Artemis3> mate is nice
• 855[06:09:22] <georgia> never went back. some of the built in gnome stuff like evolution annoyed me anyway and that shit has hard dependencis
• 856[06:09:34] <SKYRAN> georgia: I use linux mint with mate desktop but in tired of that
• 857[06:10:14] <SKYRAN> georgia: Could install minimal version of GNOME
• 858[06:10:18] <georgia> well mate isn't supposed to be sexy. it's just supposed to be an ideal portal to the stuff you want to run
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• 860[06:10:36] <Artemis3> mate is gnome2 with bugs fixed xD
• 861[06:10:44] <georgia> I love than you can configure the launchers
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• 864[06:11:25] <lishoujun> hello , where to submit Request For Update of apache-jmeter ?
• 865[06:11:31] <georgia> so like instead of just bleachbit or god forbid bleachbit root (which uses a stupid x trick to not need a password) I can just do gksudo
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• 867[06:11:57] <georgia> there's probably a mailing list somewhere
• 868[06:12:04] <SKYRAN> georgia: Yes, Lack of luncher
• 869[06:12:15] <georgia> hehe now I'm hungry.
• 870[06:12:19] <SKYRAN> luncher -> launcher
• 871[06:12:27] <georgia> I know :P
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• 875[06:12:51] <georgia> I'm curious, are our colors the same? What color do I look like to you? To me I'm gray.
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• 877[06:13:04] <lishoujun> i find one in apt show but not sure : Maintainer: Debian Java Maintainers <pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org>
• 878[06:13:20] <georgia> you can file a bug report.
• 879[06:13:48] <SKYRAN> georgia: hard question
• 880[06:13:50] <lishoujun> georgia: ok
• 881[06:14:19] <SKYRAN> georgia: White I think
• 882[06:14:34] <georgia> do you have a dark gtk theme?
• 883[06:15:12] <SKYRAN> georgia: I don't know where should I see?
• 884[06:15:20] <georgia> Oh wait I get it. my name is red, and all of your names are blue. but when you ping me you become green. as for the text itself I don't see a clear pattern
• 885[06:15:49] <georgia> except I'm gray, you're black, when you ping my your text is green
• 886[06:15:56] <georgia> yeah I'm being boring
• 887[06:16:05] <georgia> so, what bothers you about torvalds?
• 888[06:16:38] <SKYRAN> georgia: RUDENESS
• 889[06:16:50] <SKYRAN> SELFISHNESS
• 890[06:16:59] <georgia> btw I had an awesome conversation with my best friend's dad (who among other things worked on the original xwindows) about rms. He said "he smells like ass and he's no fun at parties"
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• 892[06:17:27] <SKYRAN> georgia: My list get bigger
• 893[06:18:01] <georgia> Rude and selfish yes. Philosophically I'm not a fan of "open source" but I'm not a free software extremist either. My ethos is pretty much debian's.
• 894[06:18:02] <SKYRAN> georgia: Is Computer related to pesonal char?
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• 896[06:18:18] <georgia> I think so :)
• 897[06:19:08] <SKYRAN> georgia: I love Free Software becuase of no monopoly
• 898[06:19:39] <georgia> I love it for so many reasons. It's my computer, and with proprietary software I don't feel like I'm fully in control over it.
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• 900[06:20:06] <georgia> you know the old saying "if you dont control your software, your software controls you"
• 901[06:20:30] <SKYRAN> georgia: RMS
• 902[06:20:41] <georgia> ding!
• 903[06:20:59] <georgia> little tech companies don't bother me as much. I'll get cutesy indie for instance if they're reccomended.
• 904[06:21:13] <georgia> but I deplore facebook, google, microsoft, apple.
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• 906[06:22:03] <georgia> am I the only one who refuses to use chromium? I don't want to be a lab rat for google. and your computer "phones home" to them constantly.
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• 908[06:22:29] <georgia> I have an android device which is good because I can install another OS over it.
• 909[06:22:43] <SKYRAN> georgia: But chromium is Free Software so it's benefit Webkit
• 910[06:22:54] <SKYRAN> georgia: CM
• 911[06:23:24] <SKYRAN> georgia: I change all of Stock Android to CM WITHOUT GOOGLE
• 912[06:23:24] <georgia> yes, hitler could write free software and it would still be written by hitler.
• 913[06:23:31] <georgia> that was about 90% sarcastic
• 914[06:23:49] <georgia> do you use duckduckgo?
• 915[06:24:05] <SKYRAN> georgia: Honestly Censored in Iran.
• 916[06:24:41] <lishoujun> georgia: i report a bug with 'Reportbug' but i can not find the bug anywhere now. can you tell me where can i find it ? thanks
• 917[06:24:57] <SKYRAN> georgia: It's unbelievable
• 918[06:25:05] <georgia> well for the bug you just say "update this". I'll send an example
• 919[06:25:06] <somiaj> I am not really seeing debian support happening in the conversation, please stay on topic.
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• 921[06:25:53] <SKYRAN> somiaj: OK
• 922[06:25:54] <somiaj> lishoujun: is your system configured to send mail?
• 923[06:26:14] <UV> is anyone on debian testing able to compile ffmpeg?
• 924[06:26:38] <somiaj> UV: any reason you need to compile ffmpeg?
• 925[06:26:49] <somiaj> UV: I haven't tested, but I thought testing had ffmpeg packages.
• 926[06:27:01] <UV> it doesn't have the latest and greatest
• 927[06:27:12] <georgia> replaced-url
• 928[06:27:12] <UV> and I'm pretty much following this guide: replaced-url
• 929[06:27:13] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 930[06:27:15] <lishoujun> georgia: somiaj: O i find it. thanks .replaced-url
• 931[06:27:27] <UV> it errors out on the final compilation of ffmpeg
• 932[06:27:37] <somiaj> UV: what error?
• 933[06:27:44] <georgia> this is a support board?
• 934[06:27:45] <UV> hmm let me see if I can find the log
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• 936[06:28:55] <UV> hold on. it's 'making'
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• 938[06:30:07] <SKYRAN> What is the diff between irc.debian.org and here?
• 939[06:30:16] <somiaj> ,v ffmpeg
• 940[06:30:17] <judd> Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.18-0+deb7u1; jessie-backports: 7:3.2.2-1~bpo8+1; sid: 7:3.2.2-1; stretch: 7:3.2.2-1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:3.2.2-dmo2
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• 943[06:30:33] <somiaj> !oftc
• 944[06:30:33] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. replaced-url
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• 946[06:30:45] <somiaj> !oftc move
• 947[06:30:45] <dpkg> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see replaced-url
• 948[06:30:57] <somiaj> SKYRAN: irc.debian.org points at oftc, this network is freenode
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• 950[06:31:20] <SKYRAN> somiaj: I mean why two network created?
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• 952[06:32:14] <somiaj> UV: I still don't see why you need to compile, the version of ffmpeg in sid, stretch, jessie-backports is 3.2.2 which appears to be the release earlier this month
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• 954[06:32:39] <somiaj> SKYRAN: there have been multiple networks, see the old mailing list about the move the bot shared.
• 955[06:33:00] <somiaj> SKYRAN: various reason why debian chose to move networks. Since then offical debian irc network is oftc.net not freenode.
• 956[06:33:02] <georgia> haha i found the hide join/part message dialogue!
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• 958[06:33:19] <georgia> just where you said it artemis
• 959[06:33:22] <SKYRAN> somiaj: Oh, Thanks
• 960[06:33:37] <UV> somiaj, mostly to get support of other plugins
• 961[06:33:51] <UV> but weirdly, things seem to be compiling fine now -_
• 962[06:33:52] <UV> -
• 963[06:33:53] <somiaj> SKYRAN: this channel is still on freenode and quite popular, but all the debian specilization channels are on oftc.net
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• 966[06:36:43] <georgia> Is it unreasonable to have both pidgin and hexchat?
• 967[06:37:29] <UV> somiaj, I get this erro: replaced-url
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• 976[06:42:57] <somiaj> UV: I don't know builds well enough to make sense of that error. It seems some of the compile flags are incorrect
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• 978[06:44:32] <UV> yea. that is my initial thought as well
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• 980[06:44:51] <UV> but I can't seem to narrow it down because the -fPIC flags are passed in the make file automatically
• 981[06:45:20] <UV> let me try #ffmpeg instead
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• 1042[07:22:53] <georgia> anyone online? I accidentally deleted the nobody user and now I can't run apt. how do I restore it?
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• 1049[07:27:18] <UV> georgia, replaced-url
• 1050[07:27:21] <UV> last post
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• 1053[07:28:02] <georgia> thanks
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• 1166[08:47:53] <kiki`> hi. i have an incredibly exotic task: i need to copy contents of the working directory into <targetdir> directory overwriting existing files. "cp -r -f * <targetdir>" failed.
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• 1171[08:53:25] <kiki`> alright. i figured out.
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• 1173[08:53:53] <n4dir> and how, kiki` ?
• 1174[08:54:52] <kiki`> actually the above worked but i have given it a wrong targetdir
• 1175[08:55:34] <kiki`> sometimes hell freezes over trying to settle the horse from behind
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• 1177[08:56:35] <n4dir> ah, i see. thanks for the info (i was wondering why it wouldn't work, hence i asked how you got it sorted). sometimes you say? rather all the time, in my case :-)
• 1178[08:56:46] <kiki`> yep.
• 1179[08:56:48] <kiki`> ;)
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• 1185[09:03:04] <Iota> Good morning, world!
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• 1196[09:10:28] <Deadlyvirus> yo
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• 1200[09:15:20] <spaceman> who else loves the mate DE?
• 1201[09:15:26] <spaceman> im also using i3
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• 1209[09:19:53] <jim> what package has the broadcom firmware in it?
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• 1212[09:22:01] <n4dir> my guess is one of those: apt-cache search broadcom firmware ; but wiki.debian.org has detailed instructions
• 1213[09:22:38] <pogs> broadcom-sta-dkms
• 1214[09:23:34] <pogs> sorry --> replaced-url
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• 1239[09:46:54] <Deadlyvirus> i am here
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• 1291[10:11:34] <dionysus69> ugh even 10 year old world of warcraft is lagging on wine. I am getting 60fps on windows and 30 on debian. with intel HD 5500 graphics... just come on lol
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• 1352[10:55:18] <anjay1337> hello everybody!
• 1353[10:55:55] <steakwipe> hello today
• 1354[10:56:22] <anjay1337> just getting started to use HexChat on Crunchbang :))
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• 1356[10:57:10] <babilen> anjay1337: Welcome. Hope you enjoy your experience. It should, however, be pointed out that we do tno support crunchbang in this channel. You are looking for #crunchbang rather than #debian
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• 1359[10:57:38] <anjay1337> babilen: yeah, thanks babilen!
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• 1373[11:00:14] <noqnio1> how can i see my packages and in which release they belong? I use dpkg-query to see the version and then look it up in packages.deb, is there any quicker way?
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• 1380[11:04:35] <n4dir> noqnio1: look if that may be of help replaced-url
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• 1382[11:05:30] <n4dir> i would have assumed that "apt-cache policy" gives such info too, but it doesn't seem to. otoh only got stable packages installed, so can't really check.
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• 1385[11:08:13] <noqnio1> thank you. Either this formatting is confusing or i am not sufficiently awake yet
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• 1387[11:08:55] <n4dir> wait for someone who knows exactly how to do it. I know you can, but never use it.
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• 1389[11:10:09] <noqnio1> ill just take a break and have some coffee :D
• 1390[11:10:41] <n4dir> :-) Good luck !
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• 1720[11:44:23] <KODY928021> kernel build stop at last stage (packaging deb) any idea? dh_strip: -strip --remove-section=.comment --remove-section=.note debian/linux-kbuild-4.8/usr/lib/linux-kbuild-4.8/scripts/extract-cert failed to to execute: No such file or directory
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• 1722[11:45:12] <KODY928021> Can't exec "-strip": No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/Dh_Lib.pm line 255.
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• 1725[11:45:39] <LinuxNovice> has anybody here heard of BOSS Linux?
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• 1728[11:47:30] <NoxiousPluK> replaced-url
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• 1732[11:48:20] <LinuxNovice> Yes.
• 1733[11:48:32] <LinuxNovice> NoxiousPluk, yes.
• 1734[11:48:48] <NoxiousPluK> why?
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• 1736[11:49:32] <LinuxNovice> It is based on Debian, I suppose.
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• 1747[11:53:13] <introom> can I specify aptitude or apt-get to download the source in a specified directory instead of the working directory?
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• 1749[11:54:50] <LinuxNovice> when we upgrade or update the OS, what components are updated?
• 1750[11:55:06] <LinuxNovice> is the linux kernel also upgraded?
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• 1754[11:58:53] <KODY928021> device firmware, device bug maybe fixed which had bug previous OS
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• 1756[11:59:46] <KODY928021> firmware, package set (newer version program package = more feature)
• 1757[12:00:20] <LinuxNovice> ok. What is a particular distro came with an older version of linux kernel. Is it advisable to upgrade it?
• 1758[12:00:27] <unborn> LinuxNovice: note that even if it is based on debian its not debian..
• 1759[12:00:38] <LinuxNovice> ok
• 1760[12:01:04] <unborn> LinuxNovice: you may ask devs directly if they have any forums or irc channel
• 1761[12:01:17] <LinuxNovice> debian stable comes with an older kernel, whereas kernel.org shows the latest stable version is 4.9.
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• 1763[12:01:42] <LinuxNovice> unborn, I would rather use debian proper.
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• 1765[12:02:34] <KODY928021> there is table for what distro release has what linux kernel version
• 1766[12:02:42] <unborn> ah sure LinuxNovice then use pure debian replaced-url
• 1767[12:03:31] <LinuxNovice> ok. My query was, is it advisable to upgrade the kernel to the latest stable version?
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• 1769[12:03:53] <FinalX> Stick with the kernel that the official repositories have, only way to make sure that everything else is compatible.
• 1770[12:04:03] <FinalX> You might find a newer kernel in backports, usually.
• 1771[12:04:18] <LinuxNovice> what is backport?
• 1772[12:04:35] <FinalX> If you're a novice to Linux as your nick suggest, really don't try and bother installing a newer kernel yourself, it's very cumbersome to do it right if it's not an official package.
• 1773[12:04:40] <FinalX> !backports
• 1774[12:04:41] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
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• 1776[12:05:08] <LinuxNovice> and one more question, can we install SAP ERP software on Debian?
• 1777[12:05:26] <NoxiousPluK> replaced-url
• 1778[12:05:43] <NoxiousPluK> replaced-url
• 1779[12:05:46] <FinalX> Basically there's the "official software" in the default install, and backports contains upgrades to newer versions of the software that you might be looking for, made to install on an older version.
• 1780[12:06:34] <NoxiousPluK> it ~could~ work, but SAP doesn't support it on Debian
• 1781[12:06:46] <SynrGy> watch it with that word "official". backports are no less official than the rest of the archive.
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• 1787[12:08:58] <LinuxNovice> ok. It means there is no way to run SAP on Debian?
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• 1790[12:09:27] <LinuxNovice> I wanted to use SAP FICO on Debian.
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• 1796[12:12:39] <NoxiousPluK> I didn't say that
• 1797[12:12:45] <NoxiousPluK> NoxiousPluK | it ~could~ work, but SAP doesn't support it on Debian
• 1798[12:13:10] <LinuxNovice> Ok. What does that mean?
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• 1800[12:14:03] <NoxiousPluK> that you can't call them for help
• 1801[12:14:08] <NoxiousPluK> you're pretty much on your own
• 1802[12:14:19] <NoxiousPluK> I'd say try it, see if you can get it to work :)
• 1803[12:14:24] <NoxiousPluK> but if you have issues, you're lost
• 1804[12:14:44] <NoxiousPluK> these are the platforms that SAP supports: replaced-url
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• 1806[12:14:56] <NoxiousPluK> on the others its your own responsibility to get it and keep it running
• 1807[12:15:13] <SynrGy> not exactly a position you want to be in if you're new to linux
• 1808[12:15:16] <LinuxNovice> ok. Can I install SAP on Debian atleast?
• 1809[12:15:27] <NoxiousPluK> I honestly don't know
• 1810[12:15:40] <NoxiousPluK> I've seen people use SAP on Debian/Ubuntu but no idea how they got it running
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• 1812[12:15:55] <NoxiousPluK> so it ~should~ be possible, but I have no idea how much time that did cost them
• 1813[12:15:56] <LinuxNovice> ok.
• 1814[12:15:59] <NoxiousPluK> and they were experienced users
• 1815[12:16:06] <jelly> LinuxNovice: "can" and "will it be supported at all by anyone" are two different things
• 1816[12:16:24] <LinuxNovice> ok.
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• 1818[12:17:35] <jelly> when your software starts at six figures, cost of licensing for a supported platform is negligible
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• 1820[12:18:17] <NoxiousPluK> the upside of Linux is that you can get pretty much anything to work anywhere
• 1821[12:18:21] <NoxiousPluK> given enough time
• 1822[12:18:24] <NoxiousPluK> and knowledge
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• 1825[12:18:40] <NoxiousPluK> the downside is that for everything that goes out of the narrow 'supported' scopes of software, you're on your own
• 1826[12:19:02] <LinuxNovice> ok.
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• 1828[12:19:26] <NoxiousPluK> but, feel free to go and try it on a test machine :)
• 1829[12:19:30] <NoxiousPluK> worst case you learn something
• 1830[12:19:33] <NoxiousPluK> best case it works
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• 1832[12:19:40] <NoxiousPluK> welcome to Linux :)
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• 1836[12:21:00] <SynrGy> i'd say worst case it *works*, and you new suffer the illusion you, a complete novice, can now deploy it in production and take care of any support issues relating to running it on debian yourself.
• 1837[12:21:13] <LinuxNovice> Guys, thanks a lot for your help.
• 1838[12:21:23] <SynrGy> best case it doesn't work, and you consider saner options that put you in a better supported position
• 1839[12:21:29] <NoxiousPluK> well yea SynrGy that could be worse :) but even then its lessons learned
• 1840[12:21:34] <NoxiousPluK> and good luck LinuxNovice ;)
• 1841[12:21:41] <SynrGy> if learning is the primary goal, sure
• 1842[12:22:00] <LinuxNovice> ok
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• 1883[12:43:50] <stoned> hello need offline theusaurus pakcage
• 1884[12:43:58] <stoned> english us
• 1885[12:45:11] <stoned> Oh I have to run own dict server
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• 1888[12:48:05] <SynrGy> wordnet?
• 1889[12:48:28] <stoned> I'm on absolute horrendous connection, it drops all the time
• 1890[12:48:45] <stoned> I see this offline theusaurus called artha
• 1891[12:49:01] <SynrGy> dunno. i've always just used wordnet
• 1892[12:50:12] <SynrGy> e.g. for the noun 'package', wn package -synsn
• 1893[12:50:19] <stoned> Looks good
• 1894[12:50:31] <stoned> At first I thought your name said SynerGuy
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• 1898[12:52:21] <SynrGy> or if you meant the verb, wn package -synsv
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• 1900[12:52:55] <SynrGy> just type 'wn word' to get all of the various options for a given word
• 1901[12:53:32] <SynrGy> exploring the hyponyms/hypernyms can be useful, too
• 1902[12:53:45] <stoned> Ok
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• 1905[12:55:58] <stoned> 1% [1 dict-wn 98.2 kB/10.6 MB 1%] like 5 minutes now
• 1906[12:56:08] <stoned> Poor stoned, with poor Internet.
• 1907[12:56:12] <SynrGy> aww
• 1908[12:57:05] <stoned> wordnet was already installed I think by artha, I tried it and ti's a gui, it's good
• 1909[12:57:32] <n4dir> i liked artha too, but can't compare it with others.
• 1910[12:58:09] <stoned> I might have to switch to open office or libre office
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• 1912[12:58:22] <stoned> Ican't find a single text editor with good grammar checking as you type
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• 1914[12:58:50] <stoned> And I only edit the markdown files
• 1915[12:59:18] <stoned> I wodner if there is a list of tools for authors in debian somewhere
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• 1918[12:59:41] <n4dir> abiword is no solution, more lightful? (if editors do spellchecking i wouldn't know)
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• 1921[13:01:08] <pampeho> stoned: Vim has built-in spell checking AFAIR
• 1922[13:01:28] <stoned> Ok
• 1923[13:01:32] <n4dir> replaced-url
• 1924[13:01:34] <stoned> Using it now it's nice
• 1925[13:01:38] <pampeho> oh wait, you need grammar checking?
• 1926[13:01:44] <stoned> yes grammar
• 1927[13:01:47] <stoned> I suck at english
• 1928[13:01:53] <NoxiousPluK> I want a Writemonkey-clone for linux.. maybe make it myself
• 1929[13:01:57] <NoxiousPluK> replaced-url
• 1930[13:02:00] <pampeho> do grammar checkers even exist?
• 1931[13:02:01] <NoxiousPluK> its a great tool to write in
• 1932[13:02:11] <n4dir> pampeho: wondering the same ....
• 1933[13:02:12] <pampeho> English is difficult to parse...
• 1934[13:02:23] <NoxiousPluK> replaced-url
• 1935[13:02:43] <NoxiousPluK> its not as free as they claim it to be, but it works well
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• 1937[13:03:20] <pmk> hello all I've a virtualbox with 2 drives it was OK but I added a 3rd drive now system complains second drive busy during boot although it's not used
• 1938[13:03:37] <pmk> how can I fix this problem ?
• 1939[13:03:59] <stoned> NoxiousPluK: offline
• 1940[13:04:01] <NoxiousPluK> does it work again if you remove the 3rd drive?
• 1941[13:04:03] <stoned> my connection is terrile
• 1942[13:04:05] <NoxiousPluK> stoned: yea no idea..
• 1943[13:04:10] <stoned> I am checking abiword now
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• 1949[13:05:14] <pmk> yes it work if I remove 3rd drive
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• 1952[13:05:43] <SynrGy> stoned: there are grammar plugins for vim. giyf. i suppose it's a small matter of scripting to get them to check incrementally ...
• 1953[13:05:46] <pmk> NoxiousPluK: yes it work if I remove 3rd drive
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• 1956[13:05:54] <SynrGy> but no help if you're not a vim user already
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• 1958[13:06:02] <stoned> Abiword doesn't like to work with xmonad
• 1959[13:06:14] <stoned> the windows it opens, I can't even click them.
• 1960[13:06:21] <stoned> or buttons inside them
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• 1962[13:06:42] <pmk> NoxiousPluK: the one complains about busy is the second drive
• 1963[13:06:52] <pmk> not the one I inserted
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• 1965[13:07:05] <NoxiousPluK> weird stuff..
• 1966[13:07:32] <NoxiousPluK> pmk: maybe ask in #virtualbox or ##virtualbox... seems to be an issue with them
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• 2045[13:41:07] <sruli> trying to install a package specific version with aptitude, from the man page "if a package name contains a tilde character ("~") ... it will be treated a s a search pattern" how do i install a specific version if it has a ~ in the name? (escaping \ does not help)
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• 2209[14:52:13] <OtakuSenpai> guys how do i get the package name of libsdl2-net-dbg(thts i get with apt-cache search
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• 2217[14:55:25] <OtakuSenpai> i want to get the -l part of the package
• 2218[14:55:30] <NoxiousPluK> OtakuSenpai: dpkg -S /path/to/file
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• 2233[15:01:53] <Ooze> I have a newly formatted 4TB volume, it reads as 4TB in gparted and in the GUI file explorer, but I'm getting complaints writting to it that it's full
• 2234[15:02:00] <Ooze> It's showing as only 600MB or so in my smb share
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• 2237[15:02:17] <Ooze> 20GB, rather..
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• 2240[15:02:43] <Ooze> Any ideas? Can I do something other than reformat it?
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• 2247[15:04:24] <c-c> Ooze: maybe you could $ fdisk -l [dev]
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• 2253[15:07:41] <schnabeltasse> Welcome!
• 2254[15:07:55] <Ooze> replaced-url
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• 2256[15:08:19] <schnabeltasse> again i need your highly valued support!
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• 2267[15:11:57] <schnabeltasse> how can i access my old huawei ascend via usb drive?
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• 2269[15:12:32] <schnabeltasse> i installed usbview, pmount, usbmount, jmtpfs, gammu, gvfs-backends, libmtp-runtime, mtp-tools, ofono,
• 2270[15:12:32] <schnabeltasse> , to no avail.
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• 2276[15:13:34] <schnabeltasse> the smartphone realises, that it get's plugged in. but jessie doesn't
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• 2278[15:14:00] <schnabeltasse> get's = gets
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• 2291[15:18:03] <schnabeltasse> by the way i use xfce and thunar. and in thunar hot-plugging of media devices is activated
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• 2295[15:18:29] <schnabeltasse> and the cable is functional
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• 2301[15:20:32] <schnabeltasse> thankfully i have windows xp, so i can transfer pictures. haven't had that problem on slackware 14
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• 2339[15:37:30] <sruli> trying to install a package specific version with aptitude, from the man page "if a package name contains a tilde character ("~") ... it will be treated a s a search pattern" how do i install a specific version if it has a ~ in the version number? (escaping \ does not help)
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• 2342[15:38:34] <schnabeltasse> i wich i knew
• 2343[15:39:03] <NoxiousPluK> sruli: can you put it inside quotes?
• 2344[15:39:23] <sruli> NoxiousPluK: i tried didnt help
• 2345[15:39:29] <pogs> ah, schnabeltasse is back. does lsusb show your phone?
• 2346[15:40:28] <NoxiousPluK> sruli: a shame.. as an alternative maybe install it from aptitude?
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• 2349[15:41:29] <sruli> NoxiousPluK: not sure i understand you correctly.. i am trying to install with aptitude but need a specific version
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• 2351[15:41:53] <NoxiousPluK> ah.. well I was thinking of just starting aptitude so you get the graphical interface
• 2352[15:41:57] <NoxiousPluK> and then select it from a list
• 2353[15:42:11] <sruli> NoxiousPluK: need command line
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• 2355[15:42:15] <NoxiousPluK> ah
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• 2358[15:42:47] <drwn> Hello
• 2359[15:42:57] <drwn> please help me with logcheck
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• 2361[15:43:08] <genoobie> hey all
• 2362[15:43:10] <drwn> I have problem with my space disk at tmp
• 2363[15:43:11] <sruli> as an alternative.. is it possible to get date of package with aptitude, if i can tell it not to install anything post x date then i am solved my issue
• 2364[15:43:20] <genoobie> I am trying to install a b43 firmware
• 2365[15:43:27] <NoxiousPluK> sruli: I am out of ideas, but maybe someone else isnt :P
• 2366[15:43:43] <genoobie> I've done all the steps where I've extracted the "ucode5.fw" but now I cannot cd to the directory...
• 2367[15:43:46] <genoobie> help?
• 2368[15:43:51] <genoobie> "permission denied"
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• 2370[15:43:55] <sruli> thanks
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• 2373[15:44:38] <pogs> genoobie: what user is trying to change directory?
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• 2375[15:44:48] <genoobie> the only user this machine has...
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• 2378[15:45:01] <genoobie> i ran the b43-fwcutter command with sudo
• 2379[15:45:02] <pogs> genoobie: then use sudo maybe
• 2380[15:45:11] <pogs> yes
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• 2382[15:45:23] <genoobie> pogs sudo cd ~/b43 doesn't work
• 2383[15:45:28] <genoobie> sudo cd command not found
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• 2385[15:45:47] <pogs> what if you "sudo -i" and walk in this way?
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• 2393[15:47:59] <genoobie> pogs yep
• 2394[15:48:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1672
• 2395[15:48:05] <genoobie> kind of ugly though...
• 2396[15:48:13] <genoobie> will have to learn more about debian permissions
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• 2402[15:50:23] <sruli> genoobie: its not a permissions issue, 'cd' does not understand 'sudo' therefore you will need to elevate before executing 'cd' as pogs suggested
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• 2404[15:51:23] <genoobie> how do I copy a directory?
• 2405[15:51:31] <genoobie> in terminal and all subdirs
• 2406[15:51:34] <genoobie> cp -r ?
• 2407[15:51:43] <schnabeltasse> OK, i did it. gvfs-backends does indeed do the trick of accessing the filesystem on my huawei ascend
• 2408[15:51:44] <sruli> yes, 'man cp'
• 2409[15:51:51] <sruli> genoobie: ^
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• 2417[15:53:44] <schnabeltasse> but it does not work flawlessly. if i unplug and replug, it isn't discovered
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• 2424[15:57:06] <apatheticsheep> howdy all
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• 2429[15:58:18] <apatheticsheep> I have an old VM which is aparently running "squeeze" I can't apt-get update nor can I apt-get upgrade. do I need to manually change my sources.list?
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• 2431[15:58:50] <schnabeltasse> you need super user rights
• 2432[15:59:16] <schnabeltasse> why are you saying you can't
• 2433[15:59:23] <apatheticsheep> 404 errors
• 2434[15:59:26] <schnabeltasse> what happens if you issue the command
• 2435[15:59:30] <schnabeltasse> ah ok
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• 2437[16:00:15] <dvs> !tell apatheticsheep about wheezy sources.list
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• 2439[16:00:21] <schnabeltasse> i don't know. check the sources list. or are you behind proxy, etc
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• 2444[16:02:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> genoobie, what are "all the steps" that you have done
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• 2447[16:04:02] <schnabeltasse> no, the gvfs-backends doesn't do the trick on the huawei. it is just on 20 occasions of plugging in the phone the usb mass storage drive gets mounted, and on 19 it doesn't. i cant reproduce the error
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• 2450[16:05:12] <schnabeltasse> there is something buggy
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• 2461[16:10:51] <NoxiousPluK> Sometimes I wonder if there isnt a 'if its an odd second, do X, if its an even second do Y' somewhere hidden in de Linux kernel
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• 2465[16:11:23] <schnabeltasse> hehe. ah! systemd-udevd[1275]: failed to execute '/lib/udev/mtp-probe' 'mtp-probe /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb5/5-2 5 3': No such file or directory
• 2466[16:12:14] <schnabeltasse> i need to look into that, maybe if i replug a lot, something gets mixed with links, or whatever, or some permission issue or small bug
• 2467[16:12:32] <abrotman> Fact of the day, VB5 used a rounding method where it would alternate .5 between up and down. I hope the linux kernel isn't written in VB5 :)
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• 2471[16:14:27] <NoxiousPluK> oh yes.. good times
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• 2474[16:15:51] <nikoma> I am trying to install my printer drivers called cnijfilter-mp550series:i386, but there's a dependency problem
• 2475[16:16:02] <nikoma> it says: Depends: libtiff4:i386 but it is not installable
• 2476[16:16:05] <nikoma> how can I fix it?
• 2477[16:17:15] <babilen> dpkg: tell nikoma -about bat
• 2478[16:17:43] <nikoma> babilen: What?
• 2479[16:18:12] <nikoma> Oh, dpkg is a user in this channel
• 2480[16:18:18] <jelly> it sent you a PM
• 2481[16:18:46] <schnabeltasse> if libtiff4:i386 is not installable, maybe libtiff4:x64 is installable
• 2482[16:18:53] <nikoma> Okay, thanks
• 2483[16:19:07] <jelly> if your software needs the 32bit one, it needs the 32bit one
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• 2485[16:19:50] <jelly> show all the required info if you want a useful reply
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• 2488[16:20:48] <schnabeltasse> but maybe the wrong architecture was picked from the beginning
• 2489[16:21:03] <schnabeltasse> when installing cnijfilter-mp550serie
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• 2497[16:23:36] <jelly> maybe is irrelevant, let the user show
• 2498[16:23:37] <jelly> !bat
• 2499[16:23:37] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 2501[16:24:26] <jelly> nikoma: but yeah, if the vendor has 64bit linux deb packages, use those instead of 32bit ones
• 2502[16:24:58] <nikoma> jelly: I found only 32bit ones on their pages :(
• 2503[16:25:06] <nikoma> replaced-url
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• 2506[16:25:49] <nikoma> replaced-url
• 2507[16:25:53] <nikoma> these are the drivers
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• 2512[16:27:20] <nikoma> Hopefully I put everything in this paste
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• 2519[16:30:47] <jelly> nikoma: don't use --force-depends or --force-architecture. Instead, enable i386 as foreign architecture
• 2520[16:30:53] <jelly> !multiarch
• 2521[16:30:53] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
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• 2523[16:31:23] <ghost_> hello everyone anyone using debian with i3 window manager????
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• 2527[16:32:11] <nikoma> ghost_: I am
• 2528[16:32:16] <jelly> nikoma: before that, purge all the :i386 packages
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• 2530[16:32:53] <nikoma> jelly: Why? I already have many :i386 packages that I use...
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• 2532[16:34:20] <ghost_> nkioma: im facing problem with assign [class="ClassName"] $workspace1
• 2533[16:34:46] <ghost_> this command not working for me
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• 2538[16:36:30] <nikoma> jelly: I think I already have multiarch
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• 2541[16:36:55] <jelly> nikoma: if you did, you would not have to --force-architecture
• 2542[16:37:16] <nikoma> well, even if I don't do --force-architecture, it still gives me the same dependency error
• 2543[16:37:17] <jelly> nikoma: what's the output of "dpkg --print-foreign-architectures"?
• 2544[16:37:42] <nikoma> i386
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• 2546[16:37:47] <jelly> ok, then you have it
• 2547[16:37:48] <nikoma> thanks, I was looking for that command
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• 2550[16:38:27] <nikoma> it seems like there's no libtiff4:i386 package :(
• 2551[16:38:34] <ghost_> I want to learn shell scripting can anyone suggest me the best source to learn
• 2552[16:38:55] <jelly> judd: v libtiff4 --arch i386
• 2553[16:38:56] <judd> Package: libtiff4 on i386 -- wheezy: 3.9.6-11; wheezy-security: 3.9.6-11+deb7u2
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• 2555[16:39:49] <jelly> there's the rub, that stuff is built against very old libraries
• 2556[16:40:07] <jelly> nikoma: you'll have to enable wheezy repos in apt to get the deps
• 2557[16:40:16] <jelly> !wheezy sources.list
• 2558[16:40:17] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 2559[16:40:22] <nikoma> jelly: Okay, thanks, and is that safe to do?
• 2560[16:40:34] <WormFood> ghost_, the best way to learn a programming language, is by doing, and looking at software others have written. If you're gonna be using bash for processing text files, I suggest you also learn awk, sed, and grep.
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• 2562[16:41:20] <jelly> nikoma: it's reasonably safe to enable older releases, the assumption being there are only lower versions of stuff in there. No guarantee your whether the vendor driver will actually work
• 2563[16:41:23] <ghost_> can u suggest me few links online
• 2564[16:41:56] <jelly> nikoma: I'd still dpkg --purge that ubuntu libtiff4:i386 package you installed manually
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• 2566[16:42:18] <nikoma> jelly: Thanks, I already did
• 2567[16:42:40] <WormFood> sorry ghost_, I can't. I've learned bash, bit by bit, over the years. I'd suggest you start with the documentation. I frequently find myself on the bash man page (I'm not saying to start with the man page...go to the gnu website, and see what resources they suggest)
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• 2575[16:44:17] <n4dir> ghost_: i missed the context, but as far bash is concerned i would recommend mywiki.wooledge.org too
• 2576[16:44:28] <schnabeltasse> ghost_: replaced-url
• 2577[16:44:38] <schnabeltasse> replaced-url
• 2578[16:44:41] <ghost_>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.4.0-21-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Ubuntu "xenial" 16.04 ** CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU M 380 @ 2.53GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 931MHz ** RAM: Physical: 5.6GiB, 80.7% free ** Disk: Total: 457.9GiB, 54.4% free ** VGA: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel MID ** Ethernet: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. CIe Gigabit Ethernet ** Uptime:
• 2579[16:44:41] <ghost_> 9h 56m 14s **
• 2580[16:44:50] <jelly> nikoma: after that is added and apt-get update, "dpkg -i cnijfilter-*.deb" without any force parameters, and when it fails due to missing dependencies, do just "apt-get -f install"
• 2581[16:45:12] <ghost_> schnabel tasse actually i started from there but not able to understand properly
• 2582[16:45:18] <jelly> ghost_: can you please disable that osinfo irc script output in here
• 2583[16:45:19] <ghost_> finding it difficult
• 2584[16:45:30] <schnabeltasse> it is difficult
• 2585[16:45:38] <nikoma> jelly: Okay, thanks
• 2586[16:46:08] <schnabeltasse> this is an untertaking of months, not weeks
• 2587[16:46:45] <schnabeltasse> study 100 hs, then we'll see
• 2588[16:46:53] <ghost_> any suggestions/methods that i should follow!!!
• 2589[16:47:45] <schnabeltasse> start from topic one in the guides, and work so many days until you understood. then go to the next topic
• 2590[16:47:48] <nikoma> jelly: It installed without any errors now, thank you so much!
• 2591[16:47:52] <schnabeltasse> or buy a book and follow it
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• 2605[16:52:50] <Ooze> I think I'd like to map /var/replaced-url
• 2606[16:53:08] <Ooze> I'm sure it's commonly done so allow more webspace
• 2607[16:53:16] <Ooze> What's the best way to go about doing this?
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• 2611[16:53:27] <dvs> Ooze, it's typical to have /var on another partition
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• 2613[16:53:45] <Ooze> Sure, but I just want html/
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• 2617[16:54:01] <Ooze> //var/replaced-url
• 2618[16:54:08] <Ooze> I figured just go down from html/
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• 2620[16:54:21] <schnabeltasse> well why wouldn't you just do that?
• 2621[16:54:22] <Ooze> That alone will free a decent amount of space for me
• 2622[16:54:30] <Ooze> Why wouldn't I just do what?
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• 2624[16:54:43] <dvs> Ooze, you asked what was commonly done so that's why I said /var usually goes on another partition
• 2625[16:54:48] <Ooze> Ah
• 2626[16:54:53] <schnabeltasse> map /var/replaced-url
• 2627[16:54:56] <schnabeltasse> drive
• 2628[16:55:03] <Ooze> I don't feel I really need to separate the whole /var
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• 2630[16:55:25] <Ooze> How should I map just html/ ? I've got something sort of similar set up in my fstab to mount a dir in another location
• 2631[16:55:43] <Ooze> /media/huron/backupLinux/uBackups/[Current]/ /var/replaced-url
• 2632[16:55:44] <nkuttler> i use /srv/replaced-url
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• 2638[16:57:20] <schnabeltasse> i had thought of fstab also
• 2639[16:57:43] <Ooze> How would what I'm trying to accomplish look in fstab?
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• 2641[16:57:55] <Ooze> /var/replaced-url
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• 2647[16:59:22] <schnabeltasse> replaced-url
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• 2649[17:01:00] <pressword> if you could control it, how much would you lock software versions in? at the major+minor level? or even at patch level?
• 2650[17:01:12] <pressword> I mean things like nginx v1.11 vs v1.11.8
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• 2653[17:02:39] <sruli> using aptitude how can i download all available updates to dir without installing
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• 2656[17:03:15] <pressword> sruli: as dpkgs? over an apt proxy, "warming it up"?
• 2657[17:03:47] <sruli> pressword: i guess as debs, from my regular repo
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• 2660[17:05:06] <sruli> pressword: same as "aptitude update && full-upgrade" but only download the files
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• 2663[17:06:10] <n4dir> --download-only doesn't do that?
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• 2665[17:07:31] <sruli> n4dir: the command would be "!aptitude full-upgrade --download-only"?
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• 2668[17:08:13] <n4dir> sruli: i am guessing. not sure if that works with full-upgrade, but i would guess so. apt-get has a -s (like simultate) option, aptitude probably has too
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• 2673[17:09:14] <sruli> n4dir: -s tells me "Would download/install/remove packages"
• 2674[17:10:18] <n4dir> i can't test it here, as no updates are available. hmm
• 2675[17:10:24] <sruli> n4dir: maybe i can script it, how do i get a list of upgradeable packages with aptitude (like apt list-upgradeable_
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• 2683[17:13:53] <n4dir> -u it seems
• 2684[17:14:21] <n4dir> for apt-get, that is
• 2685[17:14:54] <sruli> n4dir: i want to use aptitude
• 2686[17:15:03] <pressword> sruli: if I may ask: why you need this?
• 2687[17:15:12] <Ooze> Will '/var/replaced-url
• 2688[17:15:26] <Ooze> Or will I not have the parent dir of html?
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• 2690[17:15:38] <Ooze> Should I just be using /var/replaced-url
• 2691[17:16:34] <n4dir> sruli: what does it matter if you use aptitude or apt-get if all you want is to get some info?
• 2692[17:16:41] <n4dir> or download-only
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• 2699[17:20:54] <jak2000> hi all
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• 2708[17:23:29] <jak2000> how to know why my networkcard not up?
• 2709[17:24:30] <Ooze> I think that entry will work in fstab... I just wanted to confirm before I go ahead adn do it
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• 2711[17:26:06] <WormFood> Ooze, why are you trying to jack up the file system, when really you should be configuring you web server properly?
• 2712[17:26:07] <at0m> Ooze: why fstab to mount a folder? i'd just symlink.
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• 2714[17:26:34] <jelly> Ooze: you don't need the rightmost / for either source or mountpoint
• 2715[17:26:37] <jelly> #/spool/postfix /var/spool/postfix none rw,bind 0 2
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• 2717[17:27:07] <jelly> (# is because commented out old entry from a working system)
• 2718[17:27:28] <jelly> and that 2 doesn't make sense, either
• 2719[17:27:39] <jak2000> when startup the linux i get this: replaced-url
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• 2722[17:28:40] <jelly> Ooze: so... /var/replaced-url
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• 2737[17:40:31] <Ooze> WormFood: You're suggesting I just change the webserver dir in my apache configs or something?
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• 2739[17:40:42] <Ooze> I think I'd rather just have it mounted elsewhere so I can still use '/var/replaced-url
• 2740[17:40:49] <Ooze> Thanks jelly, makes sense
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• 2742[17:41:33] <WormFood> Ooze, yes, that's what I'm suggesting. I suspect you're doing all this extra work, because you don't know apache so well (but I could be wrong). I think it really is easier to do with just links, or reconfig apache
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• 2744[17:41:49] <Ooze> What happens to the existing contents of /var/replaced-url
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• 2746[17:42:07] <WormFood> Ooze, it all depends on exactly how you configure it
• 2747[17:42:18] <WormFood> Also, you can make a path, point to any directory.
• 2748[17:42:19] <Ooze> Yes, I understand. Sometimes the browser extentsions I use for FTP uploads don't work well w/ symlinks
• 2749[17:42:48] <WormFood> so replaced-url
• 2750[17:42:51] <Ooze> I kind of like the logic of /var/replaced-url
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• 2752[17:43:29] <WormFood> Also, restricting OTHER changes, makes moving the web server easier in the future, if you decide to do so.
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• 2755[17:44:17] <WormFood> Ooze, you're welcome to do it any way you see fit. There is nothing wrong with the way you're doing it. I just feel you'd be better off by doing it a different way.
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• 2757[17:44:59] <WormFood> Really, you want to change the config of the web server. Why screw with the file system in this manner? Just make a link.
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• 2759[17:45:24] <jhutchins_wk> I have several web pages that point to a folder inside a user's $HOME.
• 2760[17:46:08] <jelly> Ooze: a bind mount just shows the same content in second (, third) place. What's your actual goal there?
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• 2763[17:47:09] <Ooze> I want to allow more space on my root filesystem by moving the contents of /var/replaced-url
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• 2765[17:47:44] <Ooze> but I want to be able to navigate and save to /var/replaced-url
• 2766[17:50:07] <jelly> Ooze: change DocumentRoot of your VirtualHost instead. If you forget where it is, look at the web server configuration files again. If it's apache, run "apachectl -S"
• 2767[17:50:31] <jelly> that bind mount would not move anything at all
• 2768[17:50:50] <jelly> it would, in fact, do the opposite of what you intended
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• 2770[17:51:19] <jelly> (you'd want to show the contents of /media/whatever at /var/replaced-url
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• 2773[17:52:31] <jhutchins_wk> Ooze: Better to keep the file structure simple and change documentroot.
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• 2787[17:56:53] <Ooze> Ugh, alright
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• 2789[17:57:45] <Ooze> So I should move my /var/replaced-url
• 2790[17:58:01] <Ooze> May as well just stop apache altogether...
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• 2792[17:58:41] <WormFood> Ooze, copy contents to new directory, then change apache config, and delete files in old location. That way you can do it without stopping the server
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• 2795[17:59:32] <jhutchins_wk> use rsync if you have a lot of content.
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• 2797[18:00:06] <WormFood> apachectl configtest is your friend.
• 2798[18:00:11] <Ooze> Bleh, my documentroot is defined in each vhost
• 2799[18:00:45] <jhutchins_wk> Ooze: As it should be. Search & Replace.
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• 2814[18:08:35] <Ooze> Since I've got /media/huron/backupLinux/uBackups/[Current]/ /var/replaced-url
• 2815[18:08:51] <Ooze> set up it looks like it's going to copy [Current] even though I don't need it to
• 2816[18:09:11] <Ooze> Which I guess is okay, but it would be nice to be able to exclude that using rsync
• 2817[18:09:21] <Ooze> I know you can exclude links, but is there a way to exclude that mountpoint?
• 2818[18:09:37] <Ooze> Probably should have just unmounted it before I began my syhnc
• 2819[18:10:01] <jelly> Ooze: rsync has -x
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• 2821[18:11:33] <Ooze> Would have been nice
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• 2823[18:12:51] <Ooze> Re-started rather than de-duping ;)
• 2824[18:12:59] <Ooze> whew that was fast
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• 2831[18:17:29] <afidegnum> how do list user account in my email server?
• 2832[18:17:31] <steamgamewontlau> Hello, I after a few attempts believe I have successfully installed all the Nvidia drivers needed, and have installed steam. But, I cannot get any game to launch from steam. My username will say I'm playing and then it goes blue. The suggested solutions on the steam forums didn't work.
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• 2835[18:18:21] <jhutchins_wk> !steam
• 2836[18:18:22] <dpkg> Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <non-free>; amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. replaced-url
• 2837[18:18:52] <jhutchins_wk> afidegnum: Who configured it?
• 2838[18:19:13] <afidegnum> i configured it
• 2839[18:19:17] <afidegnum> in fact i have installed courier
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• 2841[18:21:00] <jhutchins_wk> afidegnum: Have you added virtual accounts?
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• 2843[18:21:19] <afidegnum> yes, i have created 2 email accounts
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• 2849[18:22:54] <dixie7z> i installed debian strech and after apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati i get black screen on restarting
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• 2854[18:23:53] <jhutchins_wk> afidegnum: Not sure how you'd list those, it depends on how you created them. There are three primary mail servers, several pop/imap servers, and multiple ways to configure each of them.
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• 2862[18:29:18] <sioux_> hi. i am using debian 8 netinstall and booting with USB. I selected the keyboard map and i next step show that dont recognize CD-ROM firmware. But i dont have used CD-ROM. How i resolve this?
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• 2867[18:30:15] <nikoma> jelly: I set up the printer and it works fine, thanks!
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• 2892[18:39:45] <awal1> ,v lxhotkey-plugin-openbox
• 2893[18:39:47] <judd> Package: lxhotkey-plugin-openbox on amd64 -- stretch: 0.1.0-1; sid: 0.1.0-1
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• 2895[18:41:02] * awal1 thinks that lxhotkey-plugin-openbox is a great idea for openbox users :P
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• 2903[18:45:02] <Linuxcrazy> hello, anybody here knows how to create persistent debian live usb?
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• 2915[18:51:24] <sioux_> hi. i am using debian 8 netinstall and booting with USB. I selected the keyboard map and i next step show that dont recognize CD-ROM firmware. But i dont have used CD-ROM. How i resolve this?
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• 2920[18:51:48] <mtn> sioux_: how did you make the usb?
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• 2939[18:56:31] <Linuxcrazy> how to create a live usb with persistence.
• 2940[18:56:32] <Linuxcrazy> ?
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• 2945[18:58:21] <somiaj> Linuxcrazy: I've seen some guides on how to do this with jessie in differnt forums. Unfonrtlaly the live docs don't seem to be complete on this manner and it takes a bit of work with selinux from what I saw. But they are out there if you search for them.
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• 2948[18:59:27] <Linuxcrazy> ok
• 2949[19:00:34] <Lizard_King> Hi I'm having difficulty installin pgsql 9.6 the plperl package requires perl 5.22 but the repo only has 5.20. Is there a repo I can add to upgrade perl? or is the question better for #perl?
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• 2953[19:01:40] <somiaj> Linuxcrazy: you don't want to update perl in debian, the perl version is also used by various system tasks and changing the version could have conesquences.
• 2954[19:01:43] <somiaj> ,v perl
• 2955[19:01:44] <judd> Package: perl on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.14.2-21+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 5.14.2-21+deb7u4; jessie: 5.20.2-3+deb8u6; jessie-security: 5.20.2-3+deb8u6; sid: 5.24.1~rc4-1; stretch: 5.24.1~rc4-1
• 2956[19:02:01] <somiaj> Lizard_King: ^^ last messsage was for you
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• 2958[19:02:05] <somiaj> Linuxcrazy: bad tab completion
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• 2960[19:02:18] <Linuxcrazy> somiaj, I didn't get you.
• 2961[19:02:49] <Lizard_King> somiaj: thanks, then how do I overcome: postgresql-plperl-9.6 : Depends: libperl5.22 (>= 5.22.1) but it is not installable
• 2962[19:02:53] <Linuxcrazy> oh. It was not for me, I suppose.
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• 2964[19:03:04] <Linuxcrazy> Leaving now.
• 2965[19:03:09] <somiaj> Linuxcrazy: I don't think there is an easy (or nice) way to get something that requires a newer perl into jessie. I don't know perl that well, but if it has something like pythons veritualenv where you can compile and put a version of perl in its own isolated area it might work, but even then I would be weary.
• 2966[19:03:14] <somiaj> Lizard_King: ^^
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• 2970[19:03:22] <somiaj> Linuxcrazy: arg, I'm notuse to typing more than two letters of someone's name..:/
• 2971[19:03:37] <somiaj> ,v postgresql-plperl-9.6
• 2972[19:03:38] <judd> Package: postgresql-plperl-9.6 on amd64 -- stretch: 9.6.1-2; sid: 9.6.1-2
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• 2974[19:03:50] <n4dir> somiaj: i think for perl that's perlbrew (homebrew?)
• 2975[19:03:52] <jelly> Lizard_King: if you're getting 9.6 from replaced-url
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• 2977[19:04:08] <jelly> Linuxcrazy: so the question is, where are you getting your Pg fix from?
• 2978[19:04:14] <jelly> argh
• 2979[19:04:17] <thereyouare> in curl or wget how to limit download to only 2MB ?
• 2980[19:04:19] <thereyouare> so after 2MB it stops
• 2981[19:04:20] <jelly> good thing they left :-)
• 2982[19:04:24] <n4dir> perlbrew - script to manage perl installations in your $HOME
• 2983[19:04:32] <jelly> Lizard_King: so the question is, where are you getting your newer Pg from?
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• 2985[19:04:35] <thereyouare> perl is crap
• 2986[19:04:40] <sioux_> mtn: with unetbootin
• 2987[19:04:46] <Lizard_King> jelly: this is my /etc/apt/sources.list.d/postgresql.list: deb replaced-url
• 2988[19:04:56] <jelly> Lizard_King: xenial is not jessie.
• 2989[19:05:02] <Lizard_King> shit I didn't see that
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• 2991[19:05:08] <somiaj> Lizard_King: why are you trying to install a package build for xenial in jessie?
• 2992[19:05:13] <mtn> sioux_: don't use that. use win32diskimager
• 2993[19:05:18] <Lizard_King> pasted from guide
• 2994[19:05:23] <jelly> don't mix repos for different releases (or distros), that way lies pain
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• 2996[19:05:25] <Lizard_King> I punted
• 2997[19:05:27] <somiaj> sioux_: unetbootin is known to cause trouble creating debian iso images, what os are you using to create the image?
• 2998[19:05:30] <mtn> !tell sioux_ about win32diskimager
• 2999[19:05:45] <thereyouare> !help
• 3000[19:05:46] <sioux_> mtn: thats ok.. i will try and returne here to say :) thanks man
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• 3003[19:06:43] <somiaj> thereyouare: just ask your question.
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• 3005[19:06:55] <thereyouare> I asked it
• 3006[19:06:59] <somiaj> thereyouare: oh you did, sorry. I don't know the answer to that, did you check the man page?
• 3007[19:07:00] <thereyouare> in curl or wget how to limit download to only 2MB ?
• 3008[19:07:02] <thereyouare> so after 2MB it stops
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• 3017[19:10:40] <jelly> thereyouare: the stupid way is to pipe the download to stdout, then cut it off and finish after 2MB by piping to dd or pv
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• 3024[19:12:08] <jelly> maybe not pv.
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• 3026[19:13:03] <somiaj> wouldn't that sill download the full page, but only have the first 2MB recorded in a file?
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• 3028[19:13:04] <jelly> oh, it does have a --stop-at-size after all
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• 3031[19:13:28] <jelly> somiaj: not if the downloader handles SIGPIPE sanely
• 3032[19:13:35] <thereyouare> I use "-r 0-2000000"
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• 3045[19:19:14] <ab2010> hi, what could be the reason that i get a "connection refused" when connecting via user to ssh server? its working ok when using the same command with sudo
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• 3048[19:20:20] <jelly> ab2010: different per-user configuration of ssh in ~/.ssh/config of user and root is the most likely cause
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• 3051[19:20:40] <ab2010> thanks, will check!
• 3052[19:20:46] <jelly> so maybe one connects to default port 22, and one does... something different
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• 3056[19:22:06] <ab2010> I see. But unfortunately the config file does not exist for both users
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• 3060[19:23:23] <jelly> then you add a -v and see where the difference might be
• 3061[19:23:40] <thereyouare> ab2010: who did you said "thanks" to ?
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• 3063[19:24:04] <jelly> ab2010: it's possible you got uid-specific local firewall rules, but that's not usual
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• 3065[19:24:19] <jelly> thereyouare: who did they talk with?
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• 3070[19:26:46] <ab2010> jelly: there are no iptables rules configured as it is a system not externally reachable. will check with verbose option
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• 3074[19:28:49] <jelly> ab2010: pastebin the output of "ssh -v full.host.name" as root and as normal user, if unsure
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• 3080[19:30:41] <thereyouare> Ooze: what is in those videotapes ?
• 3081[19:30:50] <thereyouare> Ooze: that you have to return
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• 3083[19:31:30] <ab2010> jelly: difference seems to be that root does not use settings of /etc/ssh/ssh_config while normal users do. when telling the root ssh client to use the same config file with -F, it generates the same error
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• 3087[19:33:53] <jelly> ab2010: that's... weird.
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• 3089[19:34:14] <jelly> probably documented somewhere but unexpected
• 3090[19:34:40] <ab2010> at least i cannot find anything in the manual
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• 3093[19:35:25] <jelly> likewise, either ssh(1) or ssh_config(5)
• 3094[19:35:50] <sioux_> mtn: works! thanks man!
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• 3097[19:36:19] <mtn> sioux_: welcome
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• 3100[19:37:36] <ab2010> will try updating openssh-client first ;-) its quite old
• 3101[19:37:46] <jelly> ab2010: which debian release are you on?
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• 3104[19:39:08] <jelly> jessie version works as expected
• 3105[19:39:23] <jelly> [19:38] ~ => sudo ssh localhost
• 3106[19:39:23] <jelly> ssh: connect to host localhost port 23: Connection refused
• 3107[19:39:36] <ab2010> I think its still on deb7
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• 3109[19:40:06] <ab2010> its a pc that boots up every night for 30 minutes to take backups from a server at a remote location
• 3110[19:40:22] <jelly> nope, same on wheezy
• 3111[19:40:37] <jelly> ii openssh-client 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u6 i386 secure shell (SSH) client, for secure access to remote machines
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• 3113[19:41:46] <jelly> ab2010: what does this say: dpkg -l libc6 openssh-client|tail -2
• 3114[19:42:11] <n4dir> i used ssh -v as root, and sure enought here it reads /etc/ssh/ssh_config when trying to connect
• 3115[19:42:27] <ab2010> sorry, it is deb8u3
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• 3117[19:42:54] <jelly> can you show the exact output
• 3118[19:43:13] <n4dir> 1
• 3119[19:43:29] <jelly> Your debian system may not be a legitimate copy!
• 3120[19:43:36] <ab2010> ii libc6:amd64 2.19-18 amd64 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
• 3121[19:43:39] <ab2010> ii openssh-client 1:6.7p1-5 amd64 secure shell (SSH) client, for secure access to remote machines
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• 3124[19:44:20] <jelly> but not... ii openssh-client 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u3 amd64 secure shell (SSH) client, for secure access to remote machines ?
• 3125[19:44:41] <ab2010> no
• 3126[19:44:45] <dvs> no security!
• 3127[19:45:01] <jelly> oh well, might really be a bug fixed since?
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• 3129[19:45:31] <ab2010> will update the packets
• 3130[19:46:50] <ab2010> now its on: ii openssh-client 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u3
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• 3132[19:47:06] <jelly> and libc6 and the rest of the system?
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• 3134[19:48:04] <ab2010> I upgraded openssh-client only, will upgrade the remaining system now
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• 3136[19:48:40] <jelly> did that make any difference, tho?
• 3137[19:48:51] <ab2010> no :-(
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• 3141[19:49:58] <jelly> then pastebin the output of ssh -v ..., and also ls -ld / /etc /etc/ssh /etc/ssh/ssh_config
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• 3143[19:50:37] <n4dir> and the commands used and error messages (if anything) too.
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• 3149[19:53:34] <jelly> because right at the beginning, it says...
• 3150[19:53:36] <jelly> OpenSSH_6.7p1 Debian-5+deb8u3, OpenSSL 1.0.1t 3 May 2016
• 3151[19:53:36] <jelly> debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
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• 3157[19:55:11] <sioux_> mtn: i have another problem.. in this machine ethernet network it´s working..but write 'lspci -v' and show just wireless network
• 3158[19:55:54] <Guest12345> I figured out why my hotkeys do not work. Guess what? It's because I installed systemd ...
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• 3160[19:56:38] <jelly> !pal Guest12345
• 3161[19:56:38] * dpkg points at Guest12345 and laughs
• 3162[19:57:34] <Guest12345> unlike sysv initscripts the systemd services do not source configuration from /etc/default so the option required for the hotkey deamon to work is not applied
• 3163[19:58:46] <ab2010> jelly: I just figured out that it produces the same (connection refused) message for root and the normal user. It doesnt produce the failure when using sudo ssh as normal user
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• 3166[19:59:11] <Guest12345> you can say all you want about systemd awesomeness but until services are configurable it's a regression compated to sysv init scripts
• 3167[19:59:23] <abrotman> services are configurable
• 3168[19:59:41] <jelly> took the words outta my mo...fingers
• 3169[19:59:43] <abrotman> Do you actually want help, or just here to vent?
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• 3171[19:59:44] <Guest12345> give me example of configurable service
• 3172[19:59:52] <nkuttler> how do i configure them?
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• 3174[20:00:06] <nkuttler> if they need command line args
• 3175[20:00:13] <Guest12345> you copy the service file to /etc/systemd and edit it ..
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• 3177[20:00:18] <nkuttler> doh..
• 3178[20:00:26] <Guest12345> yeah
• 3179[20:00:38] <nkuttler> that's worse than what we had before, /etc/default/ for example
• 3180[20:00:47] <Guest12345> exactly
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• 3184[20:01:28] <Guest12345> jelly: abrotman: so do you have an actual configurable service example?
• 3185[20:01:30] <somiaj> really /etc/default was just a hack because it was easier to edit that than the scripts. Unit files are far easier to edit and don't need the hack.
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• 3187[20:02:32] <Guest12345> somiaj: but editing the file has other implication - the configuration is no longer separate form service definition. So either you trash the configuration on upgrade or you trash the definition upgrade
• 3188[20:02:42] <jelly> Guest12345: ssh
• 3189[20:02:59] <ab2010> jelly: it think the problem isnt with the local machine. ssh to a different machine than the first tried works fine. maybe it has something to do with the fact that the failing remote host is a windows one with openssh on cygwin :-/
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• 3192[20:03:44] <jelly> ab2010: that would not change the behaviour of _exact same command_ with or without "sudo " in front
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• 3195[20:04:10] <jelly> ab2010: unless "ssh foo" and "sudo ssh foo" call two different ssh binaries
• 3196[20:05:04] <ab2010> jelly: it does if you mix up the sudo password prompt with the ssh prompt and interpret that as a successfull connection. its too late :D
• 3197[20:05:42] <jelly> Guest12345: notice the exact same silly "reading variables from /etc/default/foo and applying them to the command line"
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• 3200[20:06:20] <Guest12345> yes, that file is empty so cannot tell if that works
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• 3202[20:06:33] <Guest12345> but can try with the hotkey daemon
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• 3205[20:07:05] <jelly> ab2010: uh... the prompts are quite different
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• 3208[20:07:35] <Guest12345> now why the hell do sysv services that have /etc/default files get ported to systemd services that ignore them?
• 3209[20:07:36] <ab2010> jelly: yes they are. :-) I know :-) quite emberrassing
• 3210[20:07:37] <n4dir> and posting the output would have long made the chances higher someone would have spot it
• 3211[20:08:12] <jelly> Guest12345: if your package made a systemd unit and lost features compared to their init script, they shouldn't have made a systemd unit in the first place. File a bug report
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• 3220[20:10:14] <jelly> Guest12345: however. Note that /etc/default/file isn't a shell script snippet any more, so just simple assignments can be done. You can't, say a=3; OPTS="-T $a"
• 3221[20:10:48] * jelly had previously put seriously nasty stuff into /etc/default/foo
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• 3225[20:12:20] <jelly> OPTIONS="-p $((49152 + $RANDOM % 11)) -M 1380 -E"
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• 3227[20:13:09] <Guest12345> jelly: yes, I suspected it's that way. good enough for most cases
• 3228[20:13:30] <Guest12345> It works for the hotkey demon as well
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• 3230[20:13:32] <Guest12345> thanks
• 3231[20:13:46] <jelly> don't forget to file a bug report. Thank _you_
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• 3237[20:16:41] <mi5anon> hi
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• 3245[20:20:10] <dixie7z> DebianStretch. google chrome and chromium freeze with hardware acceleration. i disabled it. some other way to fix this?
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• 3262[20:30:57] <awal1> dixie7z: real hardware or Vm?
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• 3290[20:44:18] <teraflops> dixie7z: we dont know. apart from "freeze" you didnt share any useful information
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• 3303[20:49:54] <dixie7z> well... i just installed stretch from virtualbox to real hardware. dualboot. it just freezes after a minute... mostly on youtube. waiting for program to respond. close. and thats it... disablling hardware acceleration fixes the problem. can i give you some logs or anything?
• 3304[20:49:58] <dixie7z> where to find them
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• 3306[20:50:21] <dixie7z> teraflops:
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• 3309[20:50:58] <teraflops> dixie7z: uhm install from virtualbox to real hw? how exactly?
• 3310[20:51:55] <dixie7z> i had it on virtualbox... now i decided to dualboot... with netinstall iso.. nothing special. from the beginning
• 3311[20:51:58] <teraflops> dixie7z: I'd say check which gpu are you using and install the related driver and stuff for getting hw accel
• 3312[20:52:23] <teraflops> dixie7z: ah ok so clean install?
• 3313[20:52:35] <dixie7z> yes
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• 3315[20:52:38] <dixie7z> apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati
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• 3317[20:52:48] <dixie7z> from replaced-url
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• 3319[20:54:05] <dixie7z> i tried fglrx-driver but it is not in repository
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• 3321[20:55:12] <teraflops> dixie7z: you have hw accel? glxinfo | grep -i direct
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• 3323[20:55:58] <dixie7z> brb i will need to dualboot
• 3324[20:56:12] <teraflops> dixie7z: if yes share xorg.log if it's fine launch web browser from terminal so you can see the output when it freezes
• 3325[20:56:26] <teraflops> … and so on
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• 3328[20:57:09] <genoobie> hey all
• 3329[20:57:22] <genoobie> I'd like to make my recently installed debian 8.6 into a recording studio
• 3330[20:57:34] <genoobie> obviously not a high end studio
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• 3333[20:57:52] <genoobie> should I just look for the packages in "ubuntustudio"?
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• 3352[21:12:49] <wewlad> hello debs
• 3353[21:13:16] <davideb> hi wewlad
• 3354[21:13:17] <wewlad> I've just updated my packages and after updating apache - it doesn't start
• 3355[21:13:41] <wewlad> when I was updating there was an error: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libapache2-mod-php5.postinst: 291: [: !=: unexpected operator
• 3356[21:13:50] <wewlad> apache2_reload: Your configuration is broken. Not restarting Apache 2
• 3357[21:13:55] <wewlad> apache2_reload: AH00534: apache2: Configuration error: No MPM loaded.
• 3358[21:14:13] <wewlad> mpm_prefork is already in the /etc/apache2/mods-enabled (a list of enabled modules)
• 3359[21:14:32] <wewlad> so I've used built-in distro scripts 'a2dismod' and 'a2enmod' to disable and re-enable that mod, then 'systemctl restart apache2' for changes to take effect, but it says that 'job for apache2.service failed' and it suggested me to see 'systemctl status apache2.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details.
• 3360[21:14:39] <wewlad> I did execute the first suggested one and it basically just says that 'systemd[1]: apache2.service: control process exited, code=exited status=1 systemd[1]: Failed to start LSB: Apache2 web server systemd[1]: Unit apache2service entered failed state.'.
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• 3363[21:14:52] <wewlad> so no details/hints on why's that happening and what I need to do to fix that
• 3364[21:15:17] <wewlad> even simple 'apachectl -M' fails: 'AH00534: apache2: Configuration error: No MPM loaded. Action '-M' failed. The Apache error log may have more information'
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• 3367[21:15:28] <wewlad> and /var/log/apache2/error.log doesn't seem to exist :/
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• 3409[21:30:37] <gregf> is there python support for neovim in debian?
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• 3412[21:31:16] <genoobie> the nvidia-detect pkg needs to be enabled in non-free
• 3413[21:31:46] <genoobie> in other words if I go to synaptic and search for nvidia-detect and it's not there then I am missing the the nonfree repository
• 3414[21:31:50] <genoobie> right?
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• 3416[21:32:57] <genoobie> how do I know if I'm using debian jessie from backports.
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• 3418[21:33:00] <genoobie> uname?
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• 3420[21:33:26] <wewlad> how about looking at the /etc/apt/sources.list directly?
• 3421[21:33:43] <wewlad> replaced-url
• 3422[21:33:44] <genoobie> wewlad, okay, but I'm not sure about permissions in debian
• 3423[21:33:56] <genoobie> sometimes things are "access denied" and sometimes not
• 3424[21:34:04] <genoobie> as a rule do I use sudo for everything?
• 3425[21:34:39] <wewlad> or su
• 3426[21:34:49] <wewlad> (not recommended)
• 3427[21:34:56] <wewlad> [because it's more comfortable]
• 3428[21:35:06] <genoobie> okay, yes, non-free isn'there
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• 3432[21:35:35] <genoobie> wewlad, it's just jessie and main
• 3433[21:35:39] <wewlad> replace 'main' with 'main contrib non-free' in '/etc/apt/sources.list'
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• 3435[21:36:11] <genoobie> should I change to jessie-backports main contrib non-free
• 3436[21:36:33] <Ooze> I screwed up and ran multiple rsyncs with the same source and destination
• 3437[21:36:41] <Ooze> Have a made a grave error? What's messed up?
• 3438[21:36:52] <Ooze> Once I killed them both and restarted just one, the speed increased tremendously
• 3439[21:36:57] <genoobie> wewlad, thanks
• 3440[21:36:59] <genoobie> bbiam
• 3441[21:37:15] <genoobie> wewlad, every instance, correct?
• 3442[21:37:26] <genoobie> main to main contrib non-free
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• 3444[21:37:39] <wewlad> as you wish
• 3445[21:38:08] <wewlad> I always only added that for jessie-backports repo
• 3446[21:38:18] <genoobie> well there's "security" and jessie updates
• 3447[21:38:25] <Ooze> Anyone??
• 3448[21:38:50] <genoobie> Ooze, I don't even understand the question...
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• 3450[21:39:05] <genoobie> should I add a "backports"?
• 3451[21:39:13] <genoobie> what exactly is a backports?
• 3452[21:39:23] <wewlad> my sources.list: replaced-url
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• 3454[21:39:34] <Ooze> I ran sudo rsync -pauv --progress /media/michigan/ /media/backup/
• 3455[21:39:37] <Ooze> twice
• 3456[21:39:42] <Ooze> Each in its own screen
• 3457[21:39:49] <Ooze> I've killed them both, and resumed in one instance
• 3458[21:39:52] <Ooze> Has any damage been done?
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• 3461[21:40:22] <genoobie> so since I'm not developing in wine or compiling in wine
• 3462[21:40:27] <genoobie> I mean compiling
• 3463[21:40:28] <wewlad> Ooze: how can you damage anything by copying from one place to another?
• 3464[21:40:41] <Ooze> Perhaps one overriding the other
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• 3466[21:40:45] <Ooze> Just want to make sure I still have consistency
• 3467[21:40:46] <genoobie> okay I think I got it...
• 3468[21:40:50] <genoobie> thanks wewlad
• 3469[21:40:55] <wewlad> Ooze: the source is still clean, isn't it?
• 3470[21:41:00] <wewlad> genoobie: yrw
• 3471[21:41:06] <Ooze> Yes, but I'm about to delete the source...
• 3472[21:41:18] <Ooze> So that's why I'm trying to ensure the integrity of my backuos
• 3473[21:41:22] <wewlad> Ooze: do a 3rd correct rsync
• 3474[21:41:29] <genoobie> maybe I want a backports?
• 3475[21:41:36] <Ooze> This transfer has taken 12+ hours
• 3476[21:41:42] <Ooze> You're suggesting restart?
• 3477[21:41:51] <Ooze> '3rd correct rsync' meaning?
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• 3479[21:42:14] <wewlad> you said you killed both instances of rsync
• 3480[21:42:25] <Ooze> >and resumed in one instance
• 3481[21:42:27] <wewlad> so it may have not completed
• 3482[21:42:32] <wewlad> oh
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• 3484[21:42:55] <Ooze> Alright, I guess I'm fine then
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• 3486[21:43:04] <wewlad> well, if source and dest weren't modified in the process
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• 3488[21:43:14] <wewlad> then you should be alright
• 3489[21:43:32] <Ooze> Well, the dest was
• 3490[21:43:45] <Ooze> Files were being written to the destination, that was modified
• 3491[21:43:53] <Ooze> Just want to make sure I have everything, nothing missing, no dupes
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• 3493[21:44:54] <wewlad> well, they were modified by that 2nd rsync - that rsync had the same 'plan' as the first one
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• 3497[21:46:10] <wewlad> but that's only logically so
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• 3499[21:47:00] <wewlad> in reality, however [I'm a newb, sorry, so I'm just guessing] - maybe transfers don't necessarily mean sequential writing and thus collisions from parallel writes are possible
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• 3501[21:47:45] <wewlad> I'd check integrity of the copied files by comparing at least their sizes and timestamps and if that's something very-very important - I'd compare their hashes
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• 3514[22:00:26] <Ooze> just a buncha movies
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• 3545[22:20:04] <sim590> I've just installed debian and I'm trying to setup my rxvt-unicode setup I had from arch. I need the rxvt-unicode perl scripts. Also, rxvt doesn't seem to read my ~/.Xressources file. I did xrdb ~/.Xressources.
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• 3550[22:22:34] <Silmaril> sim590: well reading .Xressources ain't the job of the x11 client like rxvt, it's the session init procedure
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• 3552[22:23:53] <Silmaril> As for rxvt-unicode it might be the urxvt package your looking for
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• 3555[22:24:01] <c0mrade> How much would a random four letter .com domain cost?
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• 3557[22:24:28] <Silmaril> c0mrade: is therr any left
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• 3559[22:24:37] <Silmaril> ?
• 3560[22:24:53] <teraflops> less than a 3 letter one
• 3561[22:25:16] <c0mrade> Silmaril: Something like 7h8l.com
• 3562[22:25:19] <c0mrade> totally random
• 3563[22:25:33] <c0mrade> nonsense ones how much would they cost in these auction markets I mean.
• 3564[22:25:43] <c0mrade> Where they buy/sell domain names.
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• 3569[22:26:42] <wewlad> sh1t.com if I know
• 3570[22:26:52] <sim590> Silmaril: Wait. I'm sorry. I thought I was using rxvt (unconfigured), but the default terminal was set to xterm. That's why.
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• 3573[22:27:23] <sim590> Silmaril: calling xrdb ~/.Xressources will refresh the conf for the next rxvt instances.
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• 3575[22:28:09] * Plushwolf loves Debian <3
• 3576[22:28:17] <Silmaril> yes
• 3577[22:28:27] <dvs> well... ;-)
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• 3579[22:28:49] <Plushwolf> best reactions ever :D
• 3580[22:29:21] <Silmaril> I was responding to sim590 :)
• 3581[22:29:35] <Silmaril> but i do love it too
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• 3583[22:29:39] <dvs> so was i...
• 3584[22:29:39] <Plushwolf> nevermind then :D
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• 3586[22:30:05] <sim590> scc: However, I don't think rxvt perl scripts are installed on the system. My zoom perl script doesn't work.
• 3587[22:30:47] <sim590> scc: sorry.
• 3588[22:30:57] <sim590> Silmaril: ^
• 3589[22:31:09] <sim590> I have rxvt-unicode-256color installed.
• 3590[22:31:12] <Silmaril> I have no idea of what your speaking of sorry
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• 3593[22:31:18] <Silmaril> yes i fugred
• 3594[22:31:22] <Silmaril> figured
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• 3596[22:31:53] <Silmaril> sorry, tactile virtual keyboard
• 3597[22:32:18] <sim590> This is a list of perl scripts. They are packaged on archlinux by default. I assumed, they'd be on debian too.
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• 3599[22:32:54] <sim590> replaced-url
• 3600[22:33:06] <teraflops> sim590: stop assuming such things :P
• 3601[22:33:08] <Silmaril> You could do a search by filename on packages.debian.org
• 3602[22:33:29] <dvs> ,v rxvt-unicode
• 3603[22:33:30] <judd> Package: rxvt-unicode on amd64 -- wheezy: 9.15-2+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 9.15-2+deb7u1; jessie: 9.20-1+b1; stretch: 9.22-1+b1; sid: 9.22-1+b1
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• 3606[22:33:34] <dvs> or not
• 3607[22:33:38] <Silmaril> teraflops:you read my mind :)
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• 3609[22:34:07] <dvs> what if you're right? ;-)
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• 3613[22:35:09] <wewlad> ,judd
• 3614[22:35:09] <teraflops> sim590: I mean in a general sense not arch or debian related
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• 3616[22:36:13] <sim590> teraflops: :D
• 3617[22:36:19] <l0llip0p> hi! I having a problem that dpkg say that all ma packages are removed and installed ? It affects to apt and aptitude.
• 3618[22:36:34] <petn-randall> !bat
• 3619[22:36:34] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 3620[22:36:47] <petn-randall> hi l0llip0p, can you provide these details above? ^^^
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• 3622[22:37:18] <l0llip0p> petn-randall: well I fixed that apt problem put I can provide dpkg -l output?
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• 3627[22:37:56] <petn-randall> l0llip0p: Yes, show us all details, so the command and full output on replaced-url
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• 3630[22:38:34] <ksft> How do I get my USB network adapter to work?
• 3631[22:38:37] <ksft> ifconfig doesn't list it, but lsusb says "ID 0bda:0811 Realtek Semiconductor Corp."
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• 3635[22:38:50] <dvs> ,usbid 0bda:0811
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• 3639[22:39:31] <dvs> bah
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• 3643[22:40:50] <dvs> ksft, try running "update-usbids" and try again.
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• 3649[22:42:18] <ksft> dvs: try what again?
• 3650[22:42:33] <dvs> lsusb
• 3651[22:42:58] <ksft> dvs: it says the same thing
• 3652[22:43:02] <l0llip0p> petn-randall: too much text according to paste.debian ?
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• 3655[22:44:29] <petn-randall> l0llip0p: What is the command you are using?
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• 3658[22:45:23] <l0llip0p> dpkg -l
• 3659[22:45:23] <dpkg> Files in package l0llip0p-pr0n: /srv/l0llip0p-pr0n/l0llip0p.jpg
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• 3662[22:46:23] <petn-randall> l0llip0p: So you run dpkg -l, and you get an error that affects apt/aptitude? That doesn't make much sense.
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• 3664[22:46:54] <Plushwolf> !help
• 3665[22:47:02] <abrotman> Plushwolf: just ask
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• 3668[22:47:17] <Plushwolf> abrotman: Nah, I just wanted the help of dpkg :D
• 3669[22:48:12] <dvs> ksft: it says RTL8812AU which isn't included in the kernel
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• 3671[22:48:25] <ksft> dvs: what does that mean?
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• 3673[22:48:42] <petn-randall> l0llip0p: Ok, let's try another approach. What are you doing, what do you expect, and what do you get instead?
• 3674[22:49:00] <l0llip0p> well I don't know why but suddenly apt/aptitude wanted remove all what I had. I marked that I want keep all my packages. And when I looked into problem I noticed that dpkg -l or dpkg-query --list says that all my packages status are: ri
• 3675[22:49:39] <Silmaril> There are some weird package in this bot database !
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• 3679[22:50:27] <petn-randall> l0llip0p: Are you running Debian stable?
• 3680[22:50:43] <l0llip0p> petn-randall: yes jessie 8.6
• 3681[22:51:00] <petn-randall> l0llip0p: Can you provide the details in what dpkg will send you?
• 3682[22:51:06] <petn-randall> !tell l0llip0p -about bat
• 3683[22:51:29] <Plushwolf> !tell Plushwolf -about weechat
• 3684[22:51:32] <petn-randall> l0llip0p: Especially the apt run that want to remove all your packages.
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• 3687[22:52:03] <l0llip0p> petn-randall: well aptitude to be precise
• 3688[22:52:16] <petn-randall> l0llip0p: yes, then that one.
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• 3693[22:54:39] <l0llip0p> petn-randall: here is the output of: apt-cache policy replaced-url
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• 3695[22:55:24] <l0llip0p> petn-randall: dpkg -l gives too much information and the text is too large for pastebin
• 3696[22:56:03] <sim590> what's the robot name for backport tutorials?
• 3697[22:56:04] <dvs> ksft, replaced-url
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• 3704[22:57:58] <Della> hi
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• 3708[22:58:12] <Della> im having some problems with a virtual machine
• 3709[22:58:20] <Della> can anyone help me out?
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• 3712[22:58:47] <l0llip0p> petn-randall: I read from the debian reference manual about same kind bug and I'll tried what the manual suggested: apt-get dist-upgrade. The problem is the status of my packages what dpkg listes. I dont unterstand why it has changed the status of my packages to: ri instead of ii ?
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• 3720[23:00:51] <l0llip0p> petn-randall: here is a partial output of command: dpkg -l : replaced-url
• 3721[23:02:03] <l0llip0p> if anyone can help me in this question, you are blessed with my gratitude :D
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• 3724[23:03:03] <Della> l0llip0p: can u help me out?
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• 3726[23:03:38] <l0llip0p> Della: depends what your problem is
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• 3734[23:08:06] <teraflops> sim590: it's judd iirc
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• 3736[23:08:36] <teraflops> sim590: replaced-url
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• 3747[23:15:59] <sim590> teraflops: thanks!
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• 3753[23:18:14] <petn-randall> l0llip0p: You still haven't showed us the problematic aptitude run ...
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• 3759[23:20:43] <l0llip0p> petn-randall: because aptitude runs find now like it normally does: the problem is how I change the dpkg's status
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• 3761[23:20:49] <l0llip0p> *fine
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• 3764[23:21:50] <sim590> teraflops: Either this is not the same bot I did use once or I don't recall the command I need to use to get some help about backporting.
• 3765[23:22:15] <sim590> it only seems to know "commands" as I want to ask about a topic.
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• 3767[23:22:28] <l0llip0p> petn-randall: which I find the solution :P thanks to ubuntu forums XD, but still thanks :) I really appreciate the help
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• 3771[23:23:33] * petn-randall still doesn't have a clear problem description to work from ...
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• 3773[23:25:21] <teraflops> sim590: ah you want a factoid? no idea
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• 3775[23:25:28] <teraflops> i bet there is one
• 3776[23:25:33] <dixie7z> teraflops: i launched google chrome from terminal.. there was one error from one of the extensoins. removed extension. now it works. for now. thanks :)
• 3777[23:25:45] <teraflops> dixie7z: np
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• 3780[23:27:05] <sim590> teraflops: I'm not sure. I'm looking for documentation about how to create a backport and install it since I can't find it using unstable repository.
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• 3784[23:28:39] <sim590> Oh. Actually, I want experimental package and I don't need to create a backport.
• 3785[23:29:16] <teraflops> sim590: ugh
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• 3792[23:31:37] <teraflops> sim590: uhm
• 3793[23:31:39] <teraflops> !ssb
• 3794[23:31:40] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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• 3805[23:36:14] <sim590> yes!
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• 3807[23:36:32] <sim590> That's the one. I think.
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• 3810[23:39:13] <ksft> I have both a wlan0 and a wlan2
• 3811[23:39:20] <ksft> how do I control which one is being used?
• 3812[23:39:48] <teraflops> ksft: what are you using for managing the network?
• 3813[23:40:01] <ksft> teraflops: what do you mean?
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• 3818[23:42:13] <teraflops> ksft: ugh I meant do you use wicd, NM, /e/n/i, systemd-networkd…
• 3819[23:42:27] <ksft> ah
• 3820[23:42:34] <ksft> I use gnome's thing
• 3821[23:42:45] <teraflops> so NM i think
• 3822[23:42:49] <ksft> yeah
• 3823[23:43:04] <ksft> oh, there are two lists of wifi networks
• 3824[23:43:10] <teraflops> ksft: disable the one you dont want, it will remoember your choice iirc
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• 3827[23:43:21] <teraflops> remember*
• 3828[23:43:22] <ksft> with ifdown/ifup?
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• 3830[23:43:33] <teraflops> nope, with the gnome thingy
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• 3832[23:43:46] <ksft> I don't see how to do that?
• 3833[23:43:49] <ksft> that*
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