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59[00:27:29] <zuiss1> anyone recommend the libreoffice 5.2 in backports over 4.3? i noticed it's in there but don't really have a reason to update
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65[00:28:39] <somiaj> zuiss1: if you don't have a reason to update, don't.
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67[00:29:07] <somiaj> zuiss1: on the other hand, I use the version from backports and have no problems with it either. Unsure if your use case would matter, since you don't really have a reason, I woudln't.
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70[00:29:46] <zuiss1> somiaj: what's your reason for using the newer one?
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75[00:30:52] <somiaj> zuiss1: I have compadability issues with some documents I work with others in .xlsx -- It really didn't fix the issues and I have to run office in wine for some of my tasks still. I just never downgraded back after I upgraded.
76[00:31:09] <zuiss1> oh ok
77[00:31:33] <somiaj> so it was a shot in the dark, but it works just fine. In general though backport packages are not nearly as well tested so I always advise, not unless you have a reason.
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80[00:32:05] <somiaj> you could also check the changelog, and see if any features you may want pop out.
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84[00:33:45] <solarsea> hi folks. i'm trying to boot debian from pxe using replaced-url
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87[00:34:08] <solarsea> that archive looks weird though, the menu.cfg contains refernces to non-existing files in the archive
88[00:34:25] <solarsea> and so syslinux hangs on attempting to download those from the tftp server
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93[00:37:14] <solarsea> and after editing out all the non-existing stuff from menu.cfg syslinux now attemps to load libcom32.c32, which, again is missing from the netboot archive
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95[00:37:21] <solarsea> is pxe booting debian supported ?
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128[00:50:09] <topclasseer> basically it's a huge global crime syndicate posing as a religion.
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140[00:54:11] <disi> dc is a valid command?! whose idea was that???
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142[00:55:52] <disi> luckily they were smart enough to make it harmless :)
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231[01:38:52] <mekeor``> can i connect my NAS directly to my PC with an ethernet cable in order to find out whether the NAS asks for an IP using DHCP?
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261[01:44:41] <tysor> i coded for microsoft for 14 years.
262[01:45:00] <netmk> okay
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317[01:46:50] <tysor> ms paid me almost 200k/yr + stock options and benefits.
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323[01:47:09] <netmk> okay
324[01:47:23] <mekeor``> tysor: #windows
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336[01:48:55] <zuiss1> can someone tell me what package i should install for a machine with a nvidia graphics card runing debian
337[01:49:09] <zuiss1> so far i installed it and it works, but i haven't installed anything graphics related. shoudl i just leave it alone?
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339[01:50:32] <RickHull> top google result: replaced-url
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347[01:52:34] <zuiss1> i think i'm blocked from viewing the debian wiki
348[01:52:37] <zuiss1> can't view that
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350[01:53:20] <zuiss1> basically, when i boot up there are some errors i see related to noveau, but things seem to work and i don't notice any issues
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353[01:53:38] <RickHull> what seems to be problem?
354[01:53:58] <RickHull> try glxgears
355[01:54:14] <RickHull> see what kind of FPS you get. that's my best (bad) advice
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357[01:54:30] <zuiss1> ok
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360[01:54:50] <Sabotender> I need some help
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363[01:55:23] <Sabotender> I am trying to install debian using the netinst usb thing, it boots but it is unable to find my wireless firmware
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369[01:55:58] <Sabotender> I downloaded the firmware and put it on TWO DIFFERENT usb sticks, both formatted to FAT 32 and it still refuses to load it
370[01:56:18] <RickHull> what command are you using to load it and what is the output? use a paste site
371[01:56:27] <Sabotender> there is no command
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373[01:56:37] <Sabotender> the installer is supposed to search automatically
374[01:56:47] <Sabotender> it is searching but not finding what it needs
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376[01:57:08] <RickHull> paste the relevant output to a paste site
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397[01:57:30] <Sabotender> the firmware that is needed is rtl_nic/rtl8411-2.fw
398[01:57:36] <RickHull> it's best to do a netinst using ethernet, not wifi
399[01:57:49] <Sabotender> I don't have ethernet available unfortunately.
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401[01:58:38] <Sabotender> okay so my next question, to get around all this stupidness, the debian site says that the first iso image of the complete installer is all I need for a basic install? I want to install debian with cinnamon. Is cinnamon on the first ISO image?
402[01:58:39] <RickHull> is there a tutorial you are following? please provide links and indications on exactly what you are performing
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405[01:59:26] <Sabotender> replaced-url
406[01:59:58] <Sabotender> "The first CD/DVD disk contains all the files necessary to install a standard Debian system." Is cinnamon on the first disk image? or do I need to download additional images
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410[02:00:55] <Sabotender> I don't want anything except cinnamon installed. I don't want to have to wrestle with installing gnome as default, trying to install cinnamon manually and then trying to uninstall gnome.
411[02:01:01] <RickHull> I doubt it, Cinnamon is not standard AFAIK
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413[02:01:18] <RickHull> ignore what is on physical CDs for now
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415[02:01:23] <RickHull> you want the basic install
416[02:01:28] <RickHull> plus your wifi drivers
417[02:01:40] <RickHull> and then just add the packages you need for Cinnamon etc
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419[02:01:43] <Sabotender> okay do you know which disk image cinnamon is located, OR do you know how to sideload the required firmaware to the netinstall iso image
420[02:01:54] <RickHull> step 1 is get network access
421[02:02:07] <RickHull> after that, you can install cinnamon without worying about disk images
422[02:02:12] <Sabotender> RickHull: the installer gives me the option to install Cinnamon off the bat. I want to take advantage of that.
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424[02:02:27] <RickHull> oh, hm, I don't know about that. I am an old school user
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426[02:03:09] <RickHull> which installer?
427[02:03:37] <Sabotender> replaced-url
428[02:03:57] <Sabotender> under 'Small CDs or USB sticks'
429[02:04:01] <Sabotender> amd64
430[02:04:09] <RickHull> I imagine it is pulling cinnamon from net in that case
431[02:04:24] <RickHull> in any case, i think you have a network driver problem
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433[02:04:35] <Sabotender> I assumed as much as well. but the installer won't load the firmware
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437[02:05:06] <RickHull> what tells you that you just need to have it in a certain place on the USB stick in order to be detected and loaded?
438[02:05:06] <llwu> you dont have USB big enough for a live image?
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441[02:05:26] <llwu> idk about network install
442[02:05:30] <llwu> but if you use full ISO
443[02:05:35] <llwu> theres a cinnamon version
444[02:06:23] <RickHull> the standing question for that is: is cinnamon on the first standard debian ISO?
445[02:06:32] <llwu> no
446[02:06:34] <llwu> it's on
447[02:06:39] <llwu> replaced-url
448[02:06:51] <llwu> all of them are here replaced-url
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474[02:07:26] <Sabotender> llwu: My stick is 16GB in size
475[02:07:29] <llwu> yeah
476[02:07:35] <llwu> thats big
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478[02:07:41] <llwu> its easier imo
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480[02:07:48] <Sabotender> ooh I think I found a non standard netinstall image WITH the non free firmware
481[02:07:49] <llwu> to just download the cinnamon iso
482[02:07:53] <llwu> and burn it on
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484[02:07:57] <llwu> cuz what netinst does is
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489[02:08:06] <llwu> the iso only has the minimum stuff
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491[02:08:14] <llwu> and downloads everything off of the internet when you're installing
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496[02:08:57] <llwu> which is more steps than just downloading an ISO with all the packages already
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499[02:09:09] <schnabeltasse> hello
500[02:09:25] <Sabotender> llwu: that live image will allow me to install with just cinnamon too?
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502[02:09:41] <Sabotender> I don't want to discover that gnome is installed in secret :-P I hate gnome
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505[02:09:59] <RickHull> correct, it just uses the ISO as a package source
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507[02:10:05] <RickHull> it will not install every package on the ISO
508[02:10:11] <RickHull> only dependencies
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513[02:11:34] <Sabotender> im going to try the netinstall method which includes the firmware
514[02:11:42] <Sabotender> and if that doesn't work I will try the live cd version
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517[02:12:03] <Sabotender> if you don't see me back for like 30 mins to an hour then it worked :-P
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526[02:12:53] <schnabeltasse> how do i deactivate beep in debian with xfce? i deactivated beep in /etc/localrc and ~/bashrc and PC speaker in volume control, but if i backspace at the beginning or type a none existing phrase in "find field" in webbrowser, i get this bep. and it scares me and it makes me want to do things i don't want to do
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529[02:14:19] <MrGrymReaper> Just checking. Good Bye.
530[02:14:22] <MrGrymReaper> exit
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536[02:15:22] <RickHull> schnabeltasse: also known as "bell"
537[02:15:34] <RickHull> sorry I can't be more helpful
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542[02:16:57] <x86iac> sd
543[02:17:02] <somiaj> schnabeltasse: is this a system speker bell or one that is going through your sound card?
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545[02:17:12] <schnabeltasse> thanks. i must free myself of this. last way out seems to be to blacklist pcspkr module
546[02:17:17] <x86iac> jelly people like you are the reason debian is a dying distro
547[02:17:25] <x86iac> devuan
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550[02:17:28] <x86iac> rules
551[02:17:29] <schnabeltasse> there must be a simple solution
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553[02:17:45] <x86iac> clown douche
554[02:17:51] <x86iac> cya
555[02:17:53] <somiaj> schnabeltasse: you can also disable the bell in the shell with 'set bell-style none' in $HOME/.inputrc
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558[02:18:25] <schnabeltasse> debian came with the best pre selection of software and slim yet usable. it's the best distro for desktop i have tried today
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560[02:18:35] <Sabotender> nope that didn't work
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562[02:18:52] <schnabeltasse> yes i did that, i wrote it wrong before
563[02:19:07] <Sabotender> downloading the live image now
564[02:19:07] <schnabeltasse> it is still there after reboot
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566[02:19:23] <Sabotender> all this because I want to get away from mint
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568[02:20:05] <schnabeltasse> no there is no /.inputrc i deactivated it in gloally in /etc/inputrc
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570[02:20:21] <schnabeltasse> i will create a $HOME/.inputrc
571[02:20:54] <Sabotender> okay while this image is writing to my USB stick, is debian friendly to those who want to use a more up to date kernel?
572[02:21:10] <somiaj> Sabotender: debian jessie provides newer kernels from jessie-backports
573[02:21:15] <somiaj> ,backport kernel
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575[02:21:18] <Sabotender> mint uses very old kernels which annoys me, I think it is causing issues with my graphics hardware. I have NVIDIA
576[02:21:19] <somiaj> !backport kernel
577[02:21:32] <somiaj> !bpo kernel
578[02:21:32] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
579[02:21:39] <mrrhq> Yes, there is testing and unstable versions of Debian, but support for those is only on OFTC's #debian-next
580[02:22:05] <RickHull> Sabotender: like all engineering, there are tradeoffs. You probably want to run Debian Sid
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582[02:22:17] <somiaj> I would suggest testing or unstable, but stretch is freezing soon and a new releae will follow some months after that
583[02:22:21] <mrrhq> Those will always have the most up to date ones, but I think kernels get security fixes, if that's what you're worried about.
584[02:22:45] <somiaj> you don't need to run testing or sid to have an newer kernel.
585[02:22:48] <somiaj> ,kernels
586[02:22:49] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.8.0-2-686-pae (4.8.11-1); stretch: 4.8.0-2-686-pae (4.8.11-1); jessie-backports: 4.8.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.8.11-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.82-1)
587[02:23:04] <Sabotender> RickHull: I don't care what I use as long as the kernel works with the NVIDIA driver so that when I watch a @#$% video via xvideo or vlc, my system doesn't freeze
588[02:23:12] <mrrhq> Oh, yeah, jessie-backports is pretty up to date.
589[02:23:20] <Sabotender> I have had multiple instances of that happening in mint. The mouse becomes unresponsive
590[02:23:34] <RickHull> Sabotender: linus isn't working on making your graphics card work better
591[02:23:42] <somiaj> Sabotender: Do you have hardware you know doesn't work on the 3.16 kernel? If not just use the kernel in jessie and the non-free nvidia drivers provided by jessie.
592[02:23:47] <RickHull> you don't need kernel 4.0 to get nvidia drivers
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594[02:24:12] <somiaj> Sabotender: if your hardawre requires a newer kernel or your gpu newer drivers, they are both provided via jessie-backports
595[02:24:12] <mrrhq> Sabotender: The free and open source Nouveau driver will work find with Kepler and Maxwell GPUs, Pascal is still being developed.
596[02:24:17] <RickHull> mint vs debian isn't the problem
597[02:24:29] <mrrhq> *fine
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599[02:24:40] <Sabotender> I have a GeForce GTX 970M
600[02:24:55] <mrrhq> That's a Maxwell I think. It should work fine.
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602[02:25:26] <Sabotender> well let's hope so. Okay the image has completed, I shall return (hopefully under debian)
603[02:25:30] <somiaj> you'll need the drivers from jessie-backports for that I belive.
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617[02:32:13] <schnabeltasse> do eliminate the belling, i appended to ~/.bashrc:
618[02:32:15] <schnabeltasse> if [ -n "$DISPLAY" ]; then
619[02:32:23] <schnabeltasse> xset b off
620[02:32:24] <schnabeltasse> fi
621[02:33:02] <schnabeltasse> reboot didn't fix my problem, yet if i type in X into terminal "xset b off" my problem is solved!
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630[02:34:56] <RickHull> you may need it in .bash_profile or some other startup voodoo
631[02:35:36] <schnabeltasse> yes, i will manage to find some way to issue a terminal command on xstart :D can't be to complicated
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633[02:36:24] <schnabeltasse> thanks
634[02:36:33] <schnabeltasse> glad it is gone
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637[02:37:19] <mrrhq> schnabeltasse: Maybe you can disable the bell in your BIOS.
638[02:37:37] <schnabeltasse> well it is in my headphones
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640[02:37:49] <schnabeltasse> it is some kind of softwarebell i guess
641[02:38:07] <schnabeltasse> i don't know, but i will try that also!
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668[02:53:17] <schnabeltasse> i put "xset b off" in ~/.xprofile but that obviously isn't processed in xfce
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679[02:56:42] <rElink> hello
680[02:57:04] <rElink> I have a question regarding general installations
681[02:57:52] <schnabeltasse> yes
682[02:58:22] <rElink> I follow guides to install applications, and usually that entails extracting into /usr/
683[02:58:37] <rElink> and then making a launcher on the desktop
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686[02:59:10] <rElink> is that a general practice? Are there conventions. For instance, when I use the synaptic manager, where does that install the files?
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690[03:00:17] <schnabeltasse> there are different layers/paradigms of conventions in linux, it is best to find out the conventions of your very distro
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693[03:02:04] <schnabeltasse> to find out, where debian installs your applications through synaptics, right klick the package and klick propertiers (or something like the)
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696[03:02:22] <schnabeltasse> then in the register installed files, you can find where the files of the package are stored
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698[03:03:41] <schnabeltasse> if you manually install applications (own compilation, external software sources etc.), i have heard such could also be kept in /opt/
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700[03:03:59] <schnabeltasse> not sure if this is true, makes sense, or is according to which convention
701[03:04:03] <rElink> yes, I came accross that as well.
702[03:04:08] <schnabeltasse> hehe, good
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707[03:04:34] <rElink> I essentially needed to install java. and I followed a guide to install into /opt/
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710[03:05:29] <rElink> but for some reason, it didn't work, I came across another guide which made me use apt-get and install it that way, it was automatic and it ended up working.
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712[03:06:21] <rElink> how about dependencies
713[03:06:24] <schnabeltasse> yes, it is most simple best practise to use packages of your distro.
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716[03:06:57] <rElink> at the moment i'm trying to install StarUML, and I keep getting a dependency missing error
717[03:06:57] <schnabeltasse> dependencies is being managed by package manager of your distro
718[03:07:17] <schnabeltasse> if you use alien packages, i guess you're on your own
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720[03:07:34] <rElink> however, that specific dependency is not in synaptic package manager.
721[03:07:36] <sophiag> hi. i just installed Jesse (was previously on an old version of CentOS) and seem to be having a problem with aptitude. it can't locate most packages i can see from the web directory should be on there so i figured i need to update the mirrors. tried "apt-get update" but still the same behavior. any ideas?
722[03:08:03] <schnabeltasse> if it is just one dependency, you can try to install it seperately
723[03:08:20] <rElink> I found it: libgcrypt11 but I don't know where to install it
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725[03:09:08] <schnabeltasse> i always try to google the file and find a installable package for my distro, works most of the time
726[03:09:26] <n4dir> where to install packages is a question which usually doesn't come up when using debian. apt-get install, aptitude, synaptic or whatever package tool is used will take care of that
727[03:10:01] <rElink> I have a .deb package that I downloaded into my /Downloads folder.
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729[03:10:11] <n4dir> while, when compiling from source, the question does come up, the usual options seem to be usr or usr/local (as far i can tell debian never ever uses usr/local)
730[03:10:25] <rElink> The next step is usually dpkg -i package.deb, but, once extracted where does it go?
731[03:10:42] <rElink> so /usr/local ?
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733[03:10:46] <n4dir> on another note: try to avoid packages or repos found on the internet whenever possible
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736[03:11:18] <n4dir> never local. as far i can tell
737[03:11:20] <rElink> replaced-url
738[03:11:44] <rElink> that's where i get it from, that's from the actual debian site.
739[03:11:55] <schnabeltasse> what debian are you on precisely?
740[03:12:20] <n4dir> when the packager packages a package (funny way to put it) he creates a debian/ folder besides the source code. Inside that folder all kind of metainfos are getting stored
741[03:12:44] <rElink> I'm using Jessie
742[03:13:00] <n4dir> that will also take care where to binaries will end, and, as far i know, they will have very same paths all the time
743[03:13:12] <sophiag> um, so any idea why apt-get is telling me "unable to locate package" for everything? i already tried updating it
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746[03:14:00] <schnabeltasse> i386 or x64?
747[03:14:23] <n4dir> rElink: i am not sure, but it seems you might not really understand that to install, remove, etc packages, you use the package tools provided by debian. You don't download deb's from the internet (for example from snapshot.debian)
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749[03:14:33] <sophiag> i guess i'll try asking in #linux ...
750[03:15:19] <schnabeltasse> sophiag: no i don't have any idea thus far
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752[03:15:45] <schnabeltasse> rElink: i386 or amd64
753[03:15:46] <sophiag> so the update does update the mirrors and package list?
754[03:16:05] <schnabeltasse> what update?
755[03:16:09] <schnabeltasse> what command?
756[03:16:15] <rElink> but this is an exception. I needed that dependency specifically because it is needed for StarUML
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758[03:16:19] <rElink> amd64
759[03:16:34] <n4dir> but it is in the repos, isn't it?
760[03:16:37] <sophiag> i'm going to start from the beginning and paste my original question
761[03:16:47] <sophiag> hi. i just installed Jesse (was previously on an old version of CentOS) and seem to be having a problem with aptitude. it can't locate most packages i can see from the web directory should be on there so i figured i need to update the mirrors. tried "apt-get update" but still the same behavior. any ideas?
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763[03:17:37] <schnabeltasse> rElink: i do have the package libgcrypt11-dev in synaptics
764[03:17:40] <n4dir> apt-get update should give you output bout updating, round the lines of: ROOT# apt-get update
765[03:17:40] <n4dir> Ign replaced-url
766[03:17:40] <n4dir> ....
767[03:17:46] <schnabeltasse> you should also find it and install it
768[03:17:51] <n4dir> and post your sources list, sophiag.
769[03:18:27] <sophiag> oh, you know what...it's trying to just pull them all form dvd
770[03:18:30] <rElink> yea i tried libgcrypt11-dev as a first step; but that didn't cut it.
771[03:18:32] <schnabeltasse> rElink: i am too on jessie and amd64
772[03:19:01] <rElink> then i came across replaced-url
773[03:19:23] <sophiag> n4dir: i still have the install dvd in... how do i get apt-get to connect to remote repos?
774[03:19:49] <schnabeltasse> rElink: then it is possible you need another package of StarUML, more recent one, maybe. or you really need older versions of libcrypt or whatever
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776[03:20:02] <n4dir> sophiag: you edit the sources.list as root and either comment or completely remove those lines, then run apt-get update again.
777[03:20:05] <sophiag> it told me to put the dvd back in to install some dependencies
778[03:20:14] <n4dir> if no online sources are to be found, you will have to add them
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780[03:20:24] <sophiag> manually?
781[03:20:31] <sophiag> it's not just set up to locate mirrors?
782[03:20:51] <rElink> yeah, I believe I need an older version of libcrypt; as that seems to be.
783[03:21:03] <n4dir> if you have internet during installation it gets set up automatically, if no internet, then not. as far i can tell
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785[03:21:23] <sophiag> n4dir: ah, yeah i think it couldn't set up dhcp for some reason
786[03:21:50] <n4dir> sophiag: best might be to post your sources list. or just go to wiki.debian.org and search for an entry. The bot here can tell you too, but i can't handle the bot
787[03:21:55] <n4dir> !dpkg sources.list
788[03:21:55] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
789[03:22:04] <n4dir> holy jesus. looks like i can. wow
790[03:22:09] <schnabeltasse> rElink: i cannot reed the google link, i have blocked google
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793[03:22:18] <sophiag> n4dir: the source list is just from the dvd...as already stated
794[03:22:41] <sophiag> ok got it
795[03:22:45] <n4dir> sophiag: look at the entry created by the bot. if that doesn't help you, i will pastebin mine
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798[03:23:22] <n4dir> imho dummy entries without internet connection wouldn't hurt (commented), but it is the way that it is.
799[03:23:42] <rElink> schnabeltasse: It's basically some guy who says he was able to install StarUML on Jessie by first installing libgcrypt11_1.5.4-3_amd64.deb
800[03:24:06] <rElink> schnabeltasse: and he claims it worked
801[03:24:22] <rElink> schnabeltasse: I did the same thing. but nothing really happened...
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805[03:25:09] <rElink> I didn't get any error messages...nothing. the terminal had three dots "...", then it was over...lol
806[03:25:35] <schnabeltasse> did you first uninstall libgcrypt11-dev? because libraries are linked with symlinks, and if two versions are installed, the wrong version might be in effect
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808[03:25:56] <rElink> schnabeltasse: i think it worked.
809[03:26:03] <schnabeltasse> now?
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811[03:26:17] <rElink> schnabeltasse: i typed staruml and it works, the application installed
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813[03:26:28] <n4dir> ta-da !
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815[03:27:13] <rElink> schnabeltasse: you see this is what i don't understand. I did dpkg -i package... and the folder wasn't extracted nearby, instead it was fully installed and I have no idea where the source file is.
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817[03:27:28] <rElink> schnabeltasse: but when I installed eclipse, there was a folder and all.
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819[03:27:36] <schnabeltasse> nice. it is sometimes tricky, otherwise you would have had to do more research, debugging, etc. . congratulations
820[03:27:48] <rElink> thanks :D
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825[03:28:56] <schnabeltasse> eep trying, and at one point it will work. though you might not know how :)
826[03:29:06] <schnabeltasse> or why :)
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829[03:29:47] <rElink> lol, thanks again!
830[03:29:55] <rElink> I'm out, cheers!
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832[03:30:06] <schnabeltasse> i gotta go sleeping. welcome, we're in this all together lol
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835[03:32:22] <sophiag> n4dir: thanks! problem solved :)
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837[03:32:31] <n4dir> cool.
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839[03:33:08] <sophiag> oh i should probably run upgrade too i suppose
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842[03:35:13] <sophiag> ugh and the version of ghc in haskell-platform is too old even on Jessie :(
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844[03:35:20] <sophiag> have to go back to using stack
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846[03:37:13] <n4dir> looks like there is a newer version in jessie-backports? replaced-url
847[03:38:49] <sophiag> 7.8 is not that new though...
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849[03:39:17] <n4dir> too bad
850[03:39:21] <sophiag> i'm not sure if that was what it just downloaded or if was more around 7.6
851[03:39:38] <sophiag> i might be able to get away with 7.8. forget which one had the major changes
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859[03:43:04] <n4dir> You could try to backport it yourself from testing or sid, which both seem to have version 8. But i am not the right person to say much more about it
860[03:43:46] <sophiag> oh interesting. i considered installing stretch, but figured not a good idea since i'm fairly new to linux in general tbh
861[03:43:55] <binaryc_> Anyone around familiar with proxmox ? questioning if i should install onto existing debian workstation - or install proxmox clean and add Xserver
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863[03:44:32] <sophiag> can i do an inline upgrade from jessie to stretch or am i stuck now?
864[03:44:48] <n4dir> sophiag: there is a way to run easily a chroot. You could use the package debootstrap, install a chroot debian-testing, and make use of the ghc that way.
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866[03:45:12] <n4dir> yes, you can upgrade "inline" (never heard that term, but i guess i know what you mean)
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869[03:45:42] <n4dir> in general you change the sources from stable to testing, run apt-get update, apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade
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871[03:46:09] <n4dir> there are rumors some people read release documentation for such (i got easy hardware, so usually get away with it)
872[03:46:13] <sophiag> ok, cool. maybe i'll consider that soon if everything is working well
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874[03:47:00] <sophiag> i'm mainly concerned with just not having this kind of development downtime, but realizing how much easier debian is in general than centos
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876[03:47:01] <n4dir> runinng testing (or unstable) you have to upgrade all the time, which can be annoying. But yeah, why not.
877[03:47:03] <Sabotender> Ugh okay so I'm on my phone in irc
878[03:47:22] <sophiag> well if i need everything to be relatively current for development anyway
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880[03:47:35] <n4dir> sophiag: try the debootstrap stuff for a first experience with debian-testing. Well: just an idea
881[03:47:41] <Sabotender> I am not able to install Debian. Fails at Install The System
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884[03:48:18] <Sabotender> I'm using LVM to encrypt my drive, could that cause install to fail???
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890[03:49:10] <Sabotender> I've tried in both graphical and non graphical mode.
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916[03:59:55] <somiaj> Sabotender: do you have /boot outside of the encrypted lvm?
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918[04:00:38] <Sabotender> somiaj: no idea. I used the guided LVM method.
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921[04:02:23] <RickHull> Sabotender: what is the reason for the failure
922[04:02:27] <somiaj> Sabotender: I am not that familar with encryption sicne I don't use it, but I would assume that would set it up correctly. You are using an offical installer (not the live installer)?
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926[04:03:15] <Sabotender> RickHull: it doesn't say. The installer just says where it stopped.
927[04:03:34] <RickHull> please paste what you have on a paste site
928[04:03:56] <Sabotender> I'm on my phone. Pasting is not possible in any form.
929[04:04:34] <sophiag> do i have to restart after installing a new version of java from oracle per the instructions here: replaced-url
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931[04:05:02] <somiaj> sophiag: how did you install java? After you built the package, did you dpkg -i the package?
932[04:05:08] <sophiag> yes
933[04:05:19] <sophiag> i saw it updated alternatives
934[04:05:28] <RickHull> sophiag: probably? I assume you want the Oracle JDK and not OpenJDK
935[04:05:28] <sophiag> but apparently not the version symlink
936[04:05:33] <somiaj> sophiag: can you give me the path of dpkg -L packagename (to see where it put the binary)
937[04:05:55] <somiaj> sophiag: maybe it only added the new java to the alternatives, not made it default. use update-alternatives to select a new default.
938[04:06:04] <sophiag> that sounds likely
939[04:06:24] <sophiag> ah ok, that section was a bit unclear
940[04:06:27] <sophiag> but makes sense
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943[04:07:24] <somiaj> sophiag: you can also type out the full path to your local java.
944[04:08:42] <sophiag> ok, fixed it
945[04:08:57] <sophiag> the config tool just does it for you. no need to even update the symlink manually
946[04:09:07] <sophiag> wow, debian does everything for you. lol
947[04:09:14] <n4dir> black magic !
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951[04:09:37] <sophiag> seriously, it's like the easiest linux. i'm so relieved after the hardware issues i've had
952[04:10:28] <sophiag> p sure i'll try stretch with deboostrap soon
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956[04:11:31] <n4dir> generally, imho, it is pretty stable. the problem is that you *can run into trouble, not that it happens all the time
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960[04:11:51] <n4dir> opinons on that question lead to long lasting flamewars, of course :-)
961[04:11:59] <sophiag> ha
962[04:12:22] <sophiag> well, now that i'm seeing what debian people consider "stable" i'll be able to judge
963[04:12:35] <sophiag> figured it wasn't prudent to start there when i was having hardware issues
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966[04:14:11] <n4dir> hmmm ... not that sure. soon there will be the freeze of debian testing, to prepare it to be the new stable. Then not much will happen in testing anymore anyway
967[04:15:05] <n4dir> and for quite a while ...
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970[04:17:03] <somiaj> sophiag: stretch is freezing which makes testing close to being a release, so things will only get nicer in stretch. Main issue is lack of security support. But it is always best to learn the debian tools on stable and use backports for a newer kernel.
971[04:17:04] <jim> recently judd msgd to me... [14e4:43b1] is 'BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Broadcom Limited' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also replaced-url
972[04:17:22] <jim> so there's no way to support that card?
973[04:17:41] <jim> on a jessie that is
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985[04:20:38] <jim> Sabotender_, what's going on with your net connection right now?
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988[04:21:14] <babilen_> /msg dpkg BCM4352
989[04:22:04] <sophiag> somiaj: just weighing the level of sysadmin knowledge expected around here vs. my need for bleeding edge updates for development mainly
990[04:22:38] <sophiag> seems it may be more painless to get the latest of everything from the package manager and deal with troubleshooting kernel problems
991[04:23:02] <sophiag> but i'll wait a couple weeks and see how it goes, then try debootstrap, etc.
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995[04:24:22] <somiaj> sophiag: developing what? chroots can help out there.
996[04:24:35] <somiaj> sophiag: vms are another option.
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999[04:25:56] <sophiag> just needing the latest compiler versions and build tools. nothing too major. and i have yet to try docker if you're about to suggest that
1000[04:26:13] <n4dir> sophiag: no need to wait that long with chroot (via debootstrap). pretty straight forward. The general idea replaced-url
1001[04:26:26] <sophiag> yeah, i'm going to give that a try
1002[04:26:52] <n4dir> there is a bit more to it, imho, i think the ubuntu wiki has a good overview
1003[04:26:55] <sophiag> plus i seem to be doing fine on Jesse. the issue with haskell-platform is a haskell issue...they're notoriously behind...that's why stack exists
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1008[04:28:42] <jim> yeah, Sabotender's having problems getting debian installed, while using a broadcom wireless (the very one I mentioned with judd senting me info a bit ago)
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1013[04:30:16] <babilen_> jim: wl not working?
1014[04:30:23] <jim> I dunno
1015[04:30:34] <babilen_> Did you read dpkg's message?
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1017[04:30:59] <jim> not yet... I didn't notice it coming in
1018[04:31:07] <babilen_> It didn't
1019[04:31:26] <babilen_> I mentioned it - Obviously not prominently enough
1020[04:31:36] <babilen_> dpkg: BCM4352
1021[04:31:36] <dpkg> Broadcom's proprietary wireless LAN driver (wl, aka broadcom-sta) supports devices based on the Broadcom BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4313, BCM4321, BCM4322, BCM43224, BCM43225, BCM43227, BCM43228, BCM43142, BCM4331, BCM4352 and BCM4360 chips. To install (amd64 and i386 only), see replaced-url
1022[04:31:37] <blastwave> I installed stretch and notice that sshd server won't start at boot. Is there a new system control facility now or perhaps scripts missing in /etc/init.d or any hints ?
1023[04:32:13] <babilen_> I'd read the wiki articles on wl and brcmsmac and take it from there. You will need firmware for sure (haven't checked your particular chipsets)
1024[04:32:35] <jim> I just now finished reading it in the scrollback :)
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1030[04:34:02] <jim> oh there you are
1031[04:34:25] * blastwave waits a bit
1032[04:34:38] <jim> Sabotender, /msg dpkg BCM4352
1033[04:34:48] <Sabotender> Sorry I missed something
1034[04:35:06] <Sabotender> Start over please
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1036[04:35:20] <jim> well that's basically it so far :)
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1039[04:35:50] <blastwave> at risk of interrupting is there a way to ensure sshd starts at boot? This is latest stretch by the way.
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1041[04:36:00] <jim> the other thing is, you -could- try a debian netinstall that has nonfree firmware
1042[04:36:03] <Sabotender> No such file or directory
1043[04:36:17] <Sabotender> Jim that didn't work either
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1045[04:36:46] <somiaj> blastwave: by default it should.
1046[04:36:52] <babilen_> blastwave: services ars started by default
1047[04:36:59] <blastwave> somiaj: I agree. yet it doesn't
1048[04:37:00] <jim> you mean the wl driver didn't work? are you here because you're tethering with your phone?
1049[04:37:30] <somiaj> blastwave: check systemctl status sshd
1050[04:37:40] <blastwave> babilen_: also somiaj : I have to go to the console of the machine after boot and login as root ( on pseudo tty2 ) and run /etc/init.d/ssh start
1051[04:37:55] <blastwave> somiaj: must be something like that .. okay .. will do
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1053[04:37:57] <Sabotender> No because I don't know how to refresh the network adopters without restating the os
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1055[04:38:06] <Sabotender> If I reset then I lose the changes
1056[04:38:17] <Sabotender> Due to this being a live session
1057[04:38:44] <Sabotender> Also I can't use my phone during installation as the installer stupidly kills the connection.
1058[04:39:05] <Sabotender> So the only option is to try to get the wifi to work during the live session.
1059[04:39:22] <jim> ok... which you're on now?
1060[04:39:31] <Sabotender> Right
1061[04:39:34] <jim> ok
1062[04:39:37] <jim> sec
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1067[04:40:27] <Sabotender> I think it has something to do with adding a repository which contains the firmware and installing it via apt
1068[04:41:06] <blastwave> somiaj: also babilen_ replaced-url
1069[04:41:23] <blastwave> somiaj: also babilen_ the sshd is running now .. but won't if I reboot
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1077[04:41:47] <jim> Sabotender, what's your arch?
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1079[04:42:02] <Sabotender> Debian?
1080[04:42:25] <jim> no, I mean, what cpu?
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1083[04:43:11] * blastwave reboots his new stretch system
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1085[04:43:44] <Sabotender> Amd64
1086[04:43:48] * jim has a stretch in a qemu/kvm
1087[04:43:50] <jim> ok
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1089[04:44:11] * blastwave thinks jim was smarter to do it that way .. or virtual box ..
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1091[04:44:36] <somiaj> blastwave: get that output after you boot and it isn't running. also try this, systemctl is-enabled sshd
1092[04:44:57] <jim> I also had to put stretch on a laptop that has that skylife or whatitscalled
1093[04:45:04] <somiaj> blastwave: that should say if it is enabled or not, if it is enabled it should be booting by default.
1094[04:45:04] <jim> for the video
1095[04:45:13] <blastwave> somiaj: the only way to do that is to hook up a keyboard to the system and login to a tty and then take a picture of the screen
1096[04:45:24] <jim> Sabotender, replaced-url
1097[04:45:32] <somiaj> blastwave: anyways, what is the output of is-enabled?
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1101[04:45:51] <jim> you could download and try booting that... maybe the card'll work
1102[04:45:59] <Sabotender> What the heck? Mod probe is not found?
1103[04:46:21] <blastwave> somiaj: pardon my silly knowledge but .. er ... how do I get that? With "systemctl status sshd" ?
1104[04:46:22] <jim> listen... I have an event I need to get to... you're in good hands
1105[04:46:39] <n4dir> blastwave: you could use the package pastebinit instead of taking a picture of the screen
1106[04:46:40] * blastwave is happy jim was here
1107[04:46:58] <blastwave> n4dir: system just fully rebooted .. let me see
1108[04:46:59] <jim> thanks :)
1109[04:46:59] <somiaj> blastwave: systemctl is-enabled sshd (as I suggested above)
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1111[04:47:11] <Sabotender> Jim that's what I tried but it didn't work
1112[04:47:21] <blastwave> somiaj: nope .. not running ... will now attach a keyboard to the machine
1113[04:47:34] <Sabotender> Why doesn't Debian have modprobe
1114[04:47:37] <jim> Sabotender, hmm.
1115[04:47:48] <jim> it should
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1117[04:48:06] <jim> maybe it's /usr/sbin/modprobe or /sbin/modprobe
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1119[04:48:32] <somiaj> blastwave: put the output of systemctl status sshd into a file, 'sysetmctl status sshd > ~/status.log' before bring the server up if you want to get that output
1120[04:48:36] <Sabotender> Oh I see. Only works under root
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1122[04:48:49] <Sabotender> Yay wireless!
1123[04:48:57] * blastwave plugs in keyboard .. hits CTRL SHIFT F1 and gets a tty console right away
1124[04:49:01] <somiaj> Sabotender: well by default /sbin and /usr/sbin are not in a non root users $PATH since they don't have the permsisions to run most those commands anyways.
1125[04:49:10] <Sabotender> Hang on I need to disable my phone tether which will disconnect me here.
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1127[04:49:36] * blastwave sees that systemctl is-enabled sshd returns "enabled"
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1131[04:49:53] <blastwave> somiaj: says "enabled" but is not running
1132[04:50:17] <Sabotender> Okay sorry bout that
1133[04:50:27] * blastwave scratches head and thinks ... hrmmm .. that ain't right
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1135[04:50:33] <n4dir> blastwave: how do you try to ssh to it (to put it different: how come you think it ain't running?)
1136[04:51:01] <blastwave> n4dir: /usr/bin/ssh -2 -4 -e\^ -l myusername -c aes256-ctr -p 22 172.16.35.9
1137[04:51:02] <somiaj> blastwave: so lets get a log of the output of status to see why it is failing to run during boot.
1138[04:51:12] <blastwave> n4dir: ssh: connect to host 172.16.35.9 port 22: Connection refused
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1140[04:51:26] <iflema> blastwave: enable will enable next boot. Did you start it?
1141[04:51:36] <blastwave> somiaj: I will go back to the console and start sshd manually with /etc/init.d/ssh start
1142[04:51:50] <iflema> systemctrl?
1143[04:51:52] <somiaj> blastwave: you can also use systemctl start ssh. But first get the log.
1144[04:51:52] <blastwave> iflema: er ... doesn't it start automagically ?
1145[04:52:11] <iflema> blastwave: if you typed start otherwise it will next boot
1146[04:52:13] <blastwave> somiaj: yes .. will do .. one sec .. need to start sshd to do that and login
1147[04:53:21] * blastwave manually starts sshd with /etc/init.d/ssh start and it starts right away ...
1148[04:53:34] <iflema> blastwave: no systemd?
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1151[04:53:44] <blastwave> iflema: I don't know
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1153[04:53:50] <iflema> :)
1154[04:53:55] <blastwave> iflema: no reason it won't be there
1155[04:54:08] <iflema> meh... its up!
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1157[04:54:28] <blastwave> iflema: because I started it manually .. from the console. I don't want to do that
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1159[04:54:37] <somiaj> blastwave: did you happen to get the log before you started ssh?
1160[04:54:46] <somiaj> iflema: on debian the init scripts will default to systemctl if systemd is the init system.
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1162[04:55:06] <blastwave> somiaj: well ...no idea where to look for that .. dmesg ?
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1164[04:55:53] <blastwave> somiaj: sorry .. I don't know where that log would be .. maybe /var/adm ?
1165[04:56:18] <somiaj> blastwave: I told you. 'systemctl status ssh > ~/sshd.log' as one way, you can also check /var/log/daemon.log during the time of boot to see if sshd ports any errors
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1168[04:56:47] <somiaj> blastwave: but you needed to run that command before you started ssh so I could see the logs from when it failed to boot, since it is 'enabled' which means it should be starting.
1169[04:56:50] <blastwave> somiaj: I see ... I have to reboot again I guess
1170[04:57:04] <blastwave> somiaj: got it .. the start up process destroys the logs
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1172[04:57:07] <somiaj> blastwave: well first, can y ou just paste the output of 'systemctl is-enabled sshd' before you reboot.
1173[04:57:15] <blastwave> somiaj: one sec
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1176[04:57:24] <somiaj> blastwave: they might be in journctl somewhere, I'm still a novice with systemd.
1177[04:57:33] <blastwave> somiaj: systemctl is-enabled sshd ---> enabled
1178[04:57:42] <blastwave> somiaj: me too !
1179[04:57:52] * blastwave was happy with sysv init scripts
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1184[04:58:21] <somiaj> blastwave: I actually like systemctl once you get use to it.
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1189[04:59:19] <blastwave> somiaj: this machine takes a few minutes to reboot .. seems to check all 32G of ECC memory on every boot so bear with me .. going to reboot it
1190[04:59:19] <iflema> journalctl -u sshd
1191[04:59:41] <blastwave> iflema: journalctl -u sshd returns "-- No entries --"
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1194[05:00:07] * blastwave curses shutdown -t0 -r "now" doesn't work anymore
1195[05:00:20] <somiaj> blastwave: also when you start it, try systemctl start sshd (I'm don't think this is the problem, but lets just check systemctl starts it correctly)
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1198[05:01:02] <blastwave> somiaj: reboot in progress
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1202[05:02:26] <blastwave> somiaj: so the moment this thing fully reboots and I get the login graphical screen ... I will open tty1 and login as root and then immediately type "systemctl is-enabled sshd"
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1207[05:05:11] * blastwave sees a "FAILED" message go blasting by but too fast to know what it was
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1210[05:05:42] <iflema> blastwave: look at journalctl info for last boot
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1215[05:07:08] <somiaj> blastwave: systemctl status sshd > ~/sshd.log
1216[05:07:15] <blastwave> somiaj: we have a winner
1217[05:07:23] <somiaj> blastwave: or just look at the output yourself and see if you can see an error that we cna work with.
1218[05:07:27] * blastwave thinks maybe I can telnet in
1219[05:07:56] * blastwave sees no telnet working either .. which is a good thing
1220[05:08:15] <blastwave> okay .. so I see Failed to start OpenBSD Secure Shell server
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1222[05:08:28] <blastwave> really useless messages
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1225[05:08:48] <blastwave> I think the error happened earlier in boot and poor sshd is doing its job and trying to start but can not
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1227[05:09:05] <blastwave> exitstatus 255
1228[05:09:14] <blastwave> hrmm .. let me see if I can dump it to a file and paste it
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1230[05:10:03] <somiaj> if the lines are being cut off, add a -l to the command, systemctl -l status sshd
1231[05:11:26] <blastwave> okay .. progress ... I have everything in files and can paste like mad and started sshd manually
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1234[05:12:45] <blastwave> somiaj: firstly we have this replaced-url
1235[05:14:04] <blastwave> somiaj: however this is more interesting output from dmesg | grep -i fail --> replaced-url
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1237[05:16:34] <blastwave> somiaj: I don't see any real problems here in the dmesg log replaced-url
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1239[05:17:09] <Anselmo> I'm trying to compile a golang package on debian, it throws me an error: "unknown tls.Config 'GetCertificate in struct literal"
1240[05:17:23] <Anselmo> is there a debian package that I can install to resolve this?
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1243[05:17:50] * blastwave thinks this is damn peculiar behavior for sshd
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1248[05:18:34] <blastwave> iflema: well I'm baffled as to why sshd won't start at boot .. but starts very very soon thereafter manually
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1250[05:18:59] <somiaj> blastwave: what about /var/log/daemon.log
1251[05:19:12] <somiaj> blastwave: maybe grep sshd /var/log/daemon.log
1252[05:19:16] <blastwave> somiaj: one sec
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1254[05:19:28] <blastwave> somiaj: that returns nothing
1255[05:19:52] <blastwave> grep -i sshd /var/log/daemon.log ---> null
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1257[05:20:20] <blastwave> somiaj: so my theory is that the interface is not up yet and then sshd tries to start early ..
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1259[05:21:26] <blastwave> somiaj: also .. strangely .. there is no mention of the interfaces in the file /etc/network/interfaces
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1261[05:22:03] <blastwave> the interfaces replaced-url
1262[05:22:21] <somiaj> blastwave: is sshd configured to listen on a specific interface or all?
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1265[05:22:36] <blastwave> somiaj: on a specific ip yes .. but not a specific interface
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1268[05:23:03] <somiaj> blastwave: that could be it, maybe go back to the default of ssh listening on all interfaces.
1269[05:23:13] <blastwave> somiaj: let me see ...
1270[05:23:16] * blastwave runs # grep -v "^#" /etc/ssh/sshd_config | grep -v "^$"
1271[05:23:26] <blastwave> somiaj: says ListenAddress 172.16.35.9
1272[05:23:44] <somiaj> blastwave: comment that out, so it listens on all addresses.
1273[05:23:45] <blastwave> somiaj: well ... I want it to listen on just that one ip .. but perhaps something is borked here
1274[05:24:02] * blastwave does
1275[05:24:02] <somiaj> blastwave: do you have lots of other ips on that system?
1276[05:24:13] <blastwave> somiaj: none at the moment .. freshly installed
1277[05:24:26] <blastwave> blastwave: however .. it will have more .. not at the moment
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1279[05:24:40] <somiaj> blastwave: so right now it isn't an issue, at least see if that fixes it. After that figure out how to time your startup as the defaults seem to not work with your setup.
1280[05:24:44] <blastwave> somiaj: okay .. the only way to test this is to reboot I guess
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1282[05:25:13] <blastwave> somiaj: hrmmmm .. very odd that a bone stock sshd_config would be the issue .. however ... I am game to see
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1285[05:26:21] <somiaj> blastwave: that isn't stock from my point of view, ListenAddress is commented out and 0.0.0.0 on my default setuop
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1287[05:26:52] <iflema> sudo journalctl -b -xn -u sshd
1288[05:26:54] <somiaj> blastwave: though it could be a debconf setting.
1289[05:27:08] <blastwave> somiaj: yes I agree that sshd will by default listen on every interface and on port 22
1290[05:27:17] <blastwave> somiaj: however I *never* run that way
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1295[05:27:48] <blastwave> somiaj: I always set to a specific ip that is authorized to listen and usually move to port 443 in order to get around firewalls
1296[05:28:40] * blastwave reboots .... again
1297[05:28:52] <somiaj> blastwave: well at least we'll see if this is actually the issue or not.
1298[05:29:06] * blastwave watches the machine go into its POST
1299[05:29:45] <blastwave> somiaj: damn strange if it is ... I still have a hunch that it is a early boot phase issue with the interface(s) not being up and running before sshd attempts to start
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1301[05:30:07] <blastwave> somiaj: however ... this is stretch alpha8
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1309[05:31:46] <blastwave> somiaj: am just watching the GRUB timeout
1310[05:32:07] <blastwave> I wonder if this is in any way related to ipv6 being disabled ?
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1313[05:33:24] <blastwave> somiaj: holy smokes ... sshd started
1314[05:33:58] * blastwave is baffled
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1316[05:34:16] <somiaj> blastwave: so it is as you thought, some timing issue of the address you want to listen on is not ready at the time ssh is run
1317[05:34:22] <blastwave> # uptime says 04:34:11 up 1 min, 1 user, load average: 0.76, 0.45, 0.17
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1319[05:34:30] <Dagger> why are you even disabling v6? if you have a problem with v6 then fix the problem, don't just ragequit and blanket disable
1320[05:34:39] <blastwave> somiaj: this could be a driver issue .. or who knows.
1321[05:34:53] <blastwave> Dagger: sorry .. it was an initial phase of debugging
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1323[05:35:05] <cafuego> Why not blanket disable ipv6?
1324[05:35:31] <blastwave> I did this in /etc/default/grub ---> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="ipv6.disable=1 verbose"
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1326[05:35:48] <blastwave> cafuego: to be honest I have no internal use for it .. yet
1327[05:35:48] <Sabotender> Ugh
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1329[05:36:21] <somiaj> blastwave: well you said that the interface is not mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces so maybe see what is bringing it up? network-manager? networkd (part of systemd, though I don't think this is default in debian)
1330[05:36:23] <blastwave> really .. it is a silly way to config the ipv6
1331[05:36:27] <Dagger> cafuego: because then v6 won't work
1332[05:36:36] <Sabotender> Okay so I think there's getting some success
1333[05:36:37] <cafuego> Dagger: So?
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1336[05:36:54] <blastwave> somiaj: well I am baffled by the absence of any interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces
1337[05:37:25] <Dagger> so it's gonna be kinda hard for you to roll out v6 to everything
1338[05:37:28] <blastwave> somiaj: this machine doesn't need NetworkManager involved in its life .. just boot and run would be nice
1339[05:37:37] <blastwave> Dagger: I don't need to
1340[05:37:41] <cafuego> Dagger: why would I need to do that?
1341[05:38:00] * blastwave makes popcorn and watches this ipv6 debate for the ninty third time
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1343[05:38:56] <Dagger> because, uh. v4 isn't viable for the future of the internet? therefore we need v6 everywhere (or at least everywhere that wants to be connected to the internet)?
1344[05:39:03] <cafuego> I mean, I've had it at home for close to 10 years, but I still don't actually have a *need* for it.
1345[05:39:05] <transhuman> HI I am thinking of using Debian/freebsd-kernel for setting up a web server and nginx reverse proxy. Is this considered a good idea or not ?
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1347[05:39:10] <Sabotender> I accidentally pressed f4 how do I get back to graphical?
1348[05:39:15] <blastwave> Dagger: this machine is behind a CISCO ASA firewall and inside my network
1349[05:39:16] <cafuego> Dagger: Yeah, nah.
1350[05:39:30] <blastwave> Sabotender: try CTRL ALT F7
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1352[05:39:52] <Sabotender> That no work
1353[05:39:59] <buu> HELLO ARE READY TO MEET OUR LORD AND SAVIOR IP6
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1355[05:40:08] <buu> Sabotender: Is X even running?
1356[05:40:09] <blastwave> Dagger: you are *correct* and I do agree fully however internal networks are not there with ipv6 everywhere yet
1357[05:40:19] <buu> Sabotender: does ctrl-alt-f1 bring you to a terminal?
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1360[05:40:36] <cafuego> IPv4-geddon happened a few years ago and the sky didn't fall :-)
1361[05:40:37] <blastwave> Dagger: heck .. a lot of ISP's and bit network providors are still unable to provide an ipv6 subnet
1362[05:40:38] <Sabotender> Oh that got me back! Phew
1363[05:40:40] <Dagger> blastwave: well, it's true that a lot of devices don't support it, but that's no reason to add your Linux machine to the list
1364[05:41:11] <blastwave> Dagger: I *agree* but I was flailing along trying to debug sshd and started with a hammer nuke on ipv6 :-)
1365[05:41:11] <buu> Sabotender: what did
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1367[05:41:42] <Dagger> cafuego: v4-geddon isn't a single event. we've been running out (and still are) gradually over a long period
1368[05:41:42] <blastwave> by the way ... on this topic of ipv6 nukage ... entries in /etc/sysctl.conf are ignored and that is wrong also
1369[05:41:54] <blastwave> Dagger: nope .. we ran out years ago
1370[05:42:07] <buu> JUST LIKE OIL
1371[05:42:14] <blastwave> Dagger: every last ipv4 subnet is long long gone
1372[05:42:28] * blastwave glances at "buu" and hands him a cookie
1373[05:42:38] <buu> P.s. I have an ipv4 address
1374[05:42:39] <buu> it's for sale
1375[05:42:40] <Sabotender> I'm tired of trying to get this to work. The firmware version of Debian didn't load my wireless firmware so I can only install base system
1376[05:42:54] <Anselmo> I have an ipv4 address. . .
1377[05:42:57] <Dagger> blastwave: at the IANA and RIR level, yes, but ISPs usually still have some
1378[05:43:15] <Dagger> aka the tank is empty but there's still fuel in the pipes, if you want a car analogy
1379[05:43:21] <blastwave> Dagger: take a look at this replaced-url
1380[05:43:48] <blastwave> Dagger: loads of them have no ipv6 abaility
1381[05:43:55] <Dagger> and yeah, you guys have a v4 address. one address. yet you have networks with how many computers?
1382[05:44:15] <Dagger> my own ISP gave me enough IPs for my entire network, but they won't do that for new customers
1383[05:44:20] * blastwave points at the big ass taxed to death and full of money govt run "Canadian Broadcasting Corporation"
1384[05:44:41] <Dagger> meanwhile CGNAT is becoming common, in which case you don't even get an IP -- your own ISP puts you behind a NAT they run
1385[05:44:56] <blastwave> Dagger: um ... the torix is one of the largest ip exchanges in the world and many can not do ipv6 downstream
1386[05:45:04] <Sabotender> How can I download a non live image which includes cinnamon?
1387[05:45:12] <Sabotender> Can anyone please help me with that?
1388[05:45:15] <Dagger> (and that's not just "China/India", it's common in Germany and there are /many/ ISPs that do it in the US too)
1389[05:45:22] <Sabotender> I don't want gnome. At. All.
1390[05:45:56] <blastwave> Dagger: we fell way off topic here ... anyways .. sshd won't start if I try to set a ListenAddress
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1393[05:45:58] <Sabotender> I need a complete image. Not a netinstall.
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1397[05:46:24] <blastwave> Sabotender: since I am working ( limping with no ipv6 in my kernel ) let me see what I can do
1398[05:46:36] <blastwave> Sabotender: you need .. what? cinnomon ?
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1400[05:46:52] <Sabotender> Yes. I just want Debian and cinnamon.
1401[05:46:53] <blastwave> Sabotender: the real issue here is firmware in a network device right ?
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1403[05:47:24] <Dagger> so yes, we absolutely are running out and we're having to bend over backwards to drag out our supply of addresses. it's not a single "we're out" event but we're hitting problems anyway
1404[05:47:28] <Sabotender> I don't have Ethernet connection for netinstall and my wifi is stupid impossible to get working in the netinstaller
1405[05:47:37] * blastwave nods at Dagger
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1409[05:48:05] <blastwave> Sabotender: at risk of being annoying here ... what is the wifi device ? A CISCO thing or no name or ?
1410[05:48:08] <Sabotender> blastwave: yes. It won't load the firmware that it says I need in order to get my wireless to work.
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1412[05:48:37] <blastwave> Sabotender: been there ... done that ... non-free firmware needed and usually during install
1413[05:48:45] <Sabotender> And the non standard version of the Debian installer which has non free drivers doesn't even work.
1414[05:48:51] <blastwave> Sabotender: what is the device ?
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1416[05:49:03] <Sabotender> Bcm4352 I think.
1417[05:49:18] * blastwave thinks ...
1418[05:49:38] <blastwave> Broadcom Blutonium firmware ?
1419[05:49:53] <blastwave> damn ... I only see bcm203x.ko here replaced-url
1420[05:50:10] <awal1> Sabotender: here replaced-url
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1423[05:50:35] <blastwave> Sabotender: I think awal1 has you sorted out for the image
1424[05:50:49] <blastwave> Sabotender: I still think the firmware should be needed during install
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1431[05:51:55] <blastwave> Sabotender: wow ... this isn't a new problem at all replaced-url
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1435[05:52:38] <Sabotender> Oh and look at this. Grub was installed to the wrong drive. Now I have to fix that crap too
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1438[05:53:17] <blastwave> Sabotender: get in line ... I hit that also
1439[05:53:28] <muse> Sabotender, you could try this. if the live boot doesn't work on this (as it hasn't for me for a long time), just go straight to the install from the opening screen: replaced-url
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1442[05:53:47] <Sabotender> Grub was not supposed to be installed to the Windows drive! UGH
1443[05:54:01] <Sabotender> Now I have to research how to get that crap off.
1444[05:54:19] <blastwave> Sabotender: one must be careful at the GRUB to MBR stage of install and pick the right /dev/sda or /dev/sdb etc etc
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1446[05:55:29] <awal1> all deb images are here replaced-url
1447[05:55:47] <Sabotender> I want to install Debian as legacy. No Urdu
1448[05:55:51] <Sabotender> Uefi
1449[05:56:17] <blastwave> okee dokee ... yes ... avoid the UEFI world
1450[05:56:18] <somiaj> Sabotender: if you did legacy, just install os-prober and you should be able to boot windows from grub
1451[05:56:33] <somiaj> blastwave: I actually like efi, works nicely.
1452[05:56:53] <blastwave> somiaj: I am in good shape now with a somewhat hacky config ( no ipv6 and sshd listens everywhere ) but it is working
1453[05:57:19] <Sabotender> No. I have completely separate drives for each operating system.
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1455[05:57:43] * blastwave thumbs up to Sabotender for separate disks
1456[05:58:01] <Sabotender> This is becoming a $&@! Nightmare
1457[05:58:06] <somiaj> Sabotender: nice thing about efi is you can have all the oses have a different .efi file on a single efi partition and choose which one to boot from the firmware.
1458[05:58:15] <blastwave> somiaj: however I have rocks in my head for jumping onto Debian Stretch Alpha8
1459[05:58:26] <somiaj> blastwave: it is usually suggested to run stable.
1460[05:58:40] <blastwave> somiaj: yes .. well ... I was in a testing sort of mood
1461[05:59:06] <blastwave> somiaj: I have stable all over the place and also my own kernel builds and thought I should look at Debian stretch
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1464[05:59:40] <Sabotender> I don't want efi
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1467[06:00:17] <Sabotender> More trouble than it's worth.
1468[06:00:44] * blastwave reboots to get 4.8.0-2-amd64 booting
1469[06:01:09] <awal1> which kind of troubles? Sabotender
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1476[06:03:40] <Sabotender> Okay the first thing I need to do is get grub off my windows drive
1477[06:03:50] <Sabotender> That is the first thing that needs to happen
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1479[06:04:16] <Sabotender> Then I need to somehow install Debian to my computer without an Internet connection
1480[06:04:34] * blastwave thinks Sabotender needs to get rid of Windows off that drive
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1482[06:04:41] <Sabotender> I want Debian with cinnamon NOT gnome.
1483[06:04:42] <muse> Sabotender, if you can boot into the linux install, reinstalling grub wherever you want to is as easy as "grub-install /dev/sdX" followed by "update-grub"
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1487[06:05:26] <Sabotender> I have separate drives for each os. One for Windows. One for OS X. One for Linux
1488[06:05:56] <Delf> Not sure what's going on here. The eth is very… VERY slow. I'm on jessie with kernel 4.8 from backports and virtualbox 5.1 something… both host and guest os is jessie
1489[06:06:12] <Sabotender> I have no effing idea why grub thought it was a good idea to install to the windows drive instead of where Linux was supposedly installed.
1490[06:06:19] <blastwave> Sabotender: I have been living free of Windows for a decade but then again I would only need it if someone tossed an Excel spreadsheet at me
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1493[06:06:44] <somiaj> !fixmbr
1494[06:06:44] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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1496[06:07:20] * blastwave *yikes* date says Thu Dec 22 05:07:00 UTC 2016
1497[06:07:31] <somiaj> Sabotender: as suggested you can use a rescue medium (or if you can boot into debian) install grub on the correct disk. You will need to boot into windows and use some windows recovery tool to get things back to norla. Though it might just need fdisk to put a default mbr on the drive.
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1499[06:07:51] <blastwave> I must bow out ... thank you so much so the fellow debian users here to help me get sshd started at boot time .. it was baffling me
1500[06:08:11] * blastwave slips into a low priority thread
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1506[06:10:56] <muse> Sabotender, you can install without a network connection using the iso at the link i posted. you'll just have to go back later and fix /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/network/interfaces. or just install a network manager if you don't want to do it by hand.
1507[06:11:34] <Sabotender> I'm on my phone so I'm going to be a little delayed.
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1509[06:12:40] <muse> Sabotender, correction, cinnamon should already have a network manager installed, but you're still need to fix sources.list
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1513[06:15:40] <pawalls> r3m: I don't know you, but I was just reading replaced-url
1514[06:15:51] <Sabotender> I'm sorry I'm not going to address anything Linux until I get grub off the Windows drive.
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1516[06:16:09] <r3m> pawalls: thanks you're welcome
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1545[06:36:05] <maskara> i cant get into my desktop im starring at console and have no clue wat i did
1546[06:36:26] <somiaj> maskara: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see why xorg failed to load.
1547[06:36:41] <maskara> ok
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1553[06:42:14] <maskara> omg vi editor godhelp me !
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1561[06:49:53] <hever> Hello I resized my RAID system, it has a GTP partition table, gparted wanted to fix it to the new size, what I did. I can't use gparted to resize the filesystem as it doesn't support LUKS. If I'm using fdisk, it doesn't recognise the new size and just shows the old, so that I can't recreate a partition with the new size. I already rebooted. What could I do?
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1575[06:57:02] <maskara> k sofar ...cant find font..cant find font...deleted from font path....
1576[06:57:58] <maskara> synaptic error cant find module...ps2 device not found ignoring
1577[06:58:17] <maskara> ignoring ignoring ..close log
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1594[07:12:36] <XATRIX> Hi, i have a trouble. I installed sudo, but i can't add myself to 'wheel' group. It simply, doesn't exist
1595[07:12:52] <XATRIX> Is it ok ? Or i have to create it myself ?
1596[07:13:11] <somiaj> XATRIX: in debian sudo privalages are given through the 'sudo' group
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1598[07:13:23] <somiaj> XATRIX: you can also use visudo and edit the sudoers file to modify things.
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1602[07:15:09] <XATRIX> somiaj: thanks, it works now!
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1609[07:19:13] <Puskevit> hi everybody, today i have received "no public key" error from apt, i tried to install keys with gpg but it returns "gpg: Warning: 1 key skipped due to its large size". I'm using Debian 9, thanks
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1611[07:20:21] <AlexLikeRock> hi Puskevit
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1616[07:25:18] <AlexLikeRock> Puskevit,
1617[07:25:22] <AlexLikeRock> try this
1618[07:25:24] <AlexLikeRock> apt-get update && apt-get install debian-keyring debian-archive-keyring
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1621[07:26:32] <Puskevit> hi AlexLikeRock, they have already installed
1622[07:26:45] <AlexLikeRock> boths ?
1623[07:26:56] <AlexLikeRock> debian-keyring
1624[07:27:01] <AlexLikeRock> debian-archive-keyring
1625[07:27:13] <AlexLikeRock> ??
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1627[07:27:30] <muse> Sabotender, possibly helpful paste for no network debian install: replaced-url
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1630[07:28:08] <Puskevit> sorry my bad, debian-archive-keyring installed no debian-keyring in repo
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1632[07:28:28] <AlexLikeRock> :)
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1636[07:30:04] <AlexLikeRock> Puskevit, then ...
1637[07:30:11] <AlexLikeRock> apt-key update
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1639[07:30:56] <Sabotender> Phew! I got grub off of the offensive drive.
1640[07:31:26] <Puskevit> AlexLikeRock: i downloaded debian-keyring for stretch but nothing changed
1641[07:31:31] <Sabotender> Okay so how can I make sure that Debian installs under legacy? Ie no uefi
1642[07:31:46] <AlexLikeRock> Puskevit, apt-key update
1643[07:32:04] <Puskevit> Warning: 'apt-key update' is deprecated and should not be used anymore!
1644[07:32:17] <AlexLikeRock> Sabotender, go to BIOS , and activate LEGACY
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1647[07:33:17] <Sabotender> AlexLikeRock: way ahead of you. Grub seems to want to install as uefi by default.
1648[07:33:17] <AlexLikeRock> Puskevit, apt-get update
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1651[07:33:59] <Sabotender> Here's what I want. Legacy Debian + cinnamon encrypted offline install.
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1653[07:34:37] <Sabotender> I've been trying to accomplish this for the past three hours with no progress
1654[07:34:51] <Puskevit> AlexLikeRock: nothing changed, still no public key
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1657[07:35:27] <Sabotender> No one seems to be able to answer my question if cinnamon is on the first dvd offline Iso image
1658[07:35:56] <Sabotender> Or if I need to download additional images to find the one that has cinnamon included
1659[07:36:15] <awal1> Sabotender: if your machine is set to uefi the installer will get into grub-efi, if your machine is set to use legacy bios the installer will go for grub-pc
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1661[07:36:38] <AlexLikeRock> Puskevit, do you have multimedia repos ?
1662[07:36:40] <Sabotender> I tried to install Debian using the cinnamon live cd but it gave me an error at the point of install software or whatever.
1663[07:36:57] <awal1> so you may want to check your uefi/bios.
1664[07:37:04] <Sabotender> awal1: mine is set up to support either
1665[07:37:11] <awal1> live image aren't really intended for install
1666[07:37:25] <c-c> awal1: on debian what you say is incorrect
1667[07:37:43] <awal1> c-c: what exactly?
1668[07:37:43] <c-c> Debian images are intended for install, and contain live-functionality
1669[07:37:46] <Puskevit> AlexLikeRock: replaced-url
1670[07:37:52] <Sabotender> For example, Windows 10 boots legacy. OS X boots uefi clover. I want Linux to boot legacy.
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1672[07:38:26] <c-c> Sabotender: what do you mean by "legacy"
1673[07:38:35] <awal1> he means bios
1674[07:38:47] <c-c> Sabotender: I don't think you need to take any additional measures.
1675[07:38:55] <Sabotender> With a mbr. Not efi partition.
1676[07:39:01] <c-c> Sabotender: you want cinnamon? Why not ask on cinnamon channel?
1677[07:39:15] <awal1> c-c: yeah one can use live for install, but I believe live images are not yet "recommended" for install purposes
1678[07:39:20] <c-c> Sabotender: thats by default.
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1681[07:39:29] <Sabotender> C-c because the installer allows you to choose cinnamon
1682[07:39:30] <c-c> awal1: you are wrong
1683[07:39:49] <karstensrage> where do you find the source code for systemd-logind.service
1684[07:39:53] <c-c> awal1: don't continue with that misconcption, please
1685[07:40:02] <c-c> karstensrage: on debian package repo?
1686[07:40:11] <AlexLikeRock> Puskevit, disablet this for a will
1687[07:40:15] <AlexLikeRock> nodesource.com/
1688[07:40:16] <Sabotender> I just want to make sure that when I download the full, offline install version, that cinnamon is included and still an option.
1689[07:40:30] <c-c> karstensrage: try apt-src?
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1691[07:40:41] <c-c> karstensrage: replaced-url
1692[07:41:12] <c-c> awal1: one more time: debian images are intended for install, but also function as live-images
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1694[07:41:43] <Puskevit> AlexLikeRock: but error from debian repos not node
1695[07:41:49] <karstensrage> c-c, online source or github repo?
1696[07:41:52] <c-c> Sabotender: which 'full install version' are you talking about
1697[07:41:56] <Sabotender> c-c: the Debian page says that just the first image is required for the basic install. I want to make sure that the first image includes cinnamon.
1698[07:41:57] <AlexLikeRock> are you sure ?
1699[07:42:11] <Puskevit> yes
1700[07:42:20] <c-c> karstensrage: sorry your q makes no sense.
1701[07:42:20] <awal1> c-c: you're confused, but anyway if you think you are right, say you are right
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1703[07:42:45] <Sabotender> c-c: the non netinstall version. I've seen it called full version. Let me check.
1704[07:42:56] <awal1> next releases debian will recommed live images for standard install , I guess...
1705[07:43:01] <c-c> awal1 I am not confused, I am setting *you* straight. *You* are the one working with incorrect facts. "belief" as you said.
1706[07:43:05] <c-c> *Know* awal1
1707[07:43:07] <karstensrage> c-c is systemd-logind.service code like C code?
1708[07:43:45] <c-c> karstensrage: I don't know, probably, follow these instructions to get the source for systemd and find out replaced-url
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1710[07:44:10] <AlexLikeRock> Puskevit, take a look
1711[07:44:11] <AlexLikeRock> replaced-url
1712[07:44:14] <Puskevit> AlexLikeRock: replaced-url
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1714[07:44:22] <Sabotender> Ah they call it a larger, complete installation image
1715[07:44:30] <AlexLikeRock> tehy are at spanish, but you can search at english
1716[07:44:43] <c-c> Sabotender: sorry, you are going to have to link me to the image or I will not be able to understand you.
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1718[07:44:58] <c-c> Sabotender: dozens of different images of different versions you might be using
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1721[07:45:51] <Sabotender> replaced-url
1722[07:45:52] <Puskevit> AlexLikeRock: thanks, i have tried that dozes of times. When i add key gpg returns skipped key due to large size
1723[07:46:19] <AlexLikeRock> ok, change contry FR to US or ES
1724[07:46:25] <c-c> Sabotender: ok, keep at it
1725[07:46:30] <SHR00MS> Last night while i was really jacked up on shrooms, i ran a command given from an internet forum, and forget to google it first to see if it was retarded or not
1726[07:46:43] <AlexLikeRock> deb replaced-url
1727[07:47:00] <SHR00MS> the command was "sudo mv /etc /dev/null"
1728[07:47:06] <AlexLikeRock> Puskevit, from "tr" to "es"
1729[07:47:08] <Sabotender> c-c: note it says that the first cd/dvd disk contains all the files necessary to install a standard Debian system. I want to make sure it includes clover
1730[07:47:11] <SHR00MS> now I'm unable to boot
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1732[07:47:24] <c-c> SHR00MS: tough luck
1733[07:47:43] <Puskevit> AlexLikeRock: i tried us ones, still same
1734[07:47:53] <c-c> Sabotender: sorry, you didn't succeed in telling me which image you are talking about.
1735[07:47:56] <AlexLikeRock> try MX it mexico
1736[07:48:06] <SHR00MS> c-c: but the strange thing is, when i boot from a live CD, mount my root filesystem and then "ls /dev/null" i don't get any files
1737[07:48:11] <awal1> c-c: again one can use live for install, but in the practice they are not really recommended as the standard one, almost for uefi machines
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1739[07:48:15] <SHR00MS> so where did i move them to?
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1742[07:48:55] <bazhang> !ops | SHR00MS
1743[07:48:55] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | SHR00MS
1744[07:49:00] <Sabotender> Debian-8.6.0-amd64-CD-1.iso
1745[07:49:06] <SHR00MS> bazhang: what is that for?
1746[07:49:12] <bazhang> guess
1747[07:49:13] <c-c> awal1: there is *NO* difference in debian live or "normal" image.
1748[07:49:18] <SHR00MS> i am trying to figure out what happened
1749[07:49:22] <awal1> dpkg: live
1750[07:49:22] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
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1753[07:49:43] <SHR00MS> did I not warn clearly enough that the command i said was what messed up my PC, and should not be run?
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1755[07:49:54] <awal1> not able to install in uefi mode is a big mess
1756[07:49:54] <c-c> awal1: yeah just use the 'normal' images for live and you are set
1757[07:49:58] <SHR00MS> i forgot about that. i will warn in all caps now
1758[07:50:08] <Sabotender> c-c: that one.
1759[07:50:21] <SHR00MS> THE COMMAND I POSTED EARLIER WAS WHAT MESSED UP MY PC. DO *NOT* RUN IT, *EVER*
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1763[07:50:43] <SHR00MS> I posted it only to ask for help recovering from the damage it caused
1764[07:50:46] <c-c> I must admit, I thought the live image project is dead
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1766[07:51:36] <Puskevit> Well anybody have any idea?
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1769[07:51:54] <SHR00MS> and i cannot find any files in /dev/null, where my understanding of the command i run was that it moved /etc to /dev/null
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1771[07:51:56] <Sabotender> Also how can I make sure that grub installs in legacy mode? Is that something I will have to do in a live session?
1772[07:52:03] <SHR00MS> but /dev/null/etc does not exist
1773[07:52:07] <SHR00MS> so where is it?
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1775[07:53:00] <c-c> Puskevit: did you try $ sudo aptitude install debian-keyring debian-archive-keyring
1776[07:53:13] <Puskevit> yes
1777[07:53:41] <Sabotender> I guess my questions are, um
1778[07:53:43] <c-c> Sabotender: did you have a problem with grub? If not, why worry, just try it now.
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1781[07:54:09] <c-c> Sabotender: if I wanted cinnamon, I'd use cinnamon image
1782[07:54:11] <AlexLikeRock> Puskevit, do you change contry ?
1783[07:54:19] <Puskevit> yes
1784[07:54:24] <c-c> Sabotender: if I wanted debian stable, I'd use the debian stable image.
1785[07:54:28] <AlexLikeRock> then apt-get update
1786[07:54:30] <AlexLikeRock> ???
1787[07:54:31] <awal1> c-c: do you know what is the difference between a standard cd/dvd image and a live one containing x task-desktop ?
1788[07:54:35] <AlexLikeRock> Puskevit,
1789[07:54:50] <c-c> awal1: never used "a live one"-image
1790[07:54:58] <Puskevit> still return no public key
1791[07:55:08] <awal1> c-: so don't talk just for talk
1792[07:55:09] <AlexLikeRock> O_O
1793[07:55:17] <awal1> c-c:
1794[07:55:34] <c-c> awal1: Why would you even use the "live image" for install?
1795[07:55:37] <c-c> thats nonsense
1796[07:55:57] <c-c> most people can use the "normal stable debian image" - even for live "CD"
1797[07:56:25] <awal1> c-c: again you are confusing what debian calls live image
1798[07:56:37] <AlexLikeRock> Puskevit, gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg -a --export 8B48AD6246925553 |apt-key add -
1799[07:56:48] <c-c> awal1: no, you are
1800[07:56:56] <c-c> well, kind of
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1802[07:57:17] <c-c> - as the "normal" stable image can be livebooted
1803[07:57:20] <Puskevit> AlexLikeRock: replaced-url
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1805[07:57:30] <c-c> - and so use it
1806[07:58:17] <AlexLikeRock> the size are good
1807[07:58:19] <awal1> c-c: when people talks here about "live" they are reffering to a special images containig X DE ready for try and install; not to a bootable image for repair stuff. thats all
1808[07:58:22] <AlexLikeRock> they mus be a bug
1809[07:58:44] <AlexLikeRock> try with another key
1810[07:58:48] <Sabotender> c-c: I'll try the normal first cd and see what it gives me
1811[07:58:51] <c-c> awal1: and, again, you lack information, so you generalize. Stop.
1812[07:59:05] <bazhang> c-c about what
1813[07:59:10] <AlexLikeRock> Puskevit, gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg -a --export 7638D0442B90D010 |apt-key add -
1814[07:59:14] <c-c> awal1: you can use 'the normal debian stable image' as a live cd, and it does give you some DE
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1816[07:59:43] <Puskevit> AlexLikeRock: always returns samething
1817[07:59:45] <AlexLikeRock> replaced-url
1818[07:59:57] <AlexLikeRock> ok
1819[07:59:58] <c-c> Sabotender: replaced-url
1820[08:00:03] <AlexLikeRock> apt-get update
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1822[08:00:07] <AlexLikeRock> Puskevit,
1823[08:00:20] <awal1> c-c: the "normal image" gives you a DE?
1824[08:00:33] <Puskevit> AlexLikeRock: nothing changed
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1827[08:01:08] <c-c> Sabotender: or just see in these if you are Jessie/i386 replaced-url
1828[08:01:12] <AlexLikeRock> :(
1829[08:01:41] <Puskevit> ah i downgraded gpg this time returned replaced-url
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1831[08:01:55] <awal1> by normal images people means "installer images". no DE before installing
1832[08:02:05] <c-c> There are dozens of "installer images"
1833[08:02:32] <awal1> live contains x task-desktop, just one task-desktop-xfce-mate-kde...
1834[08:02:40] <c-c> awal1: you are incorrect
1835[08:02:46] <Sabotender> I386?
1836[08:02:48] <c-c> awal1: I have told you this 3 times now
1837[08:02:55] <awal1> you never used a live one, so you have no clue
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1839[08:02:59] <c-c> awal1: why do I have to write this again?
1840[08:03:09] <c-c> awal1: I have used about 20 different live cd images
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1842[08:03:17] <c-c> awal1: but for debian it is *not* needed
1843[08:03:28] <c-c> awal1: - the normal debian image can be used instead
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1846[08:03:41] <c-c> awal1: do you comprehend what I wrote above?
1847[08:03:44] <awal1> ok, used for what?
1848[08:03:46] <bazhang> c-c, whats the issue
1849[08:03:55] <c-c> awal1: for booting a live system from
1850[08:04:16] <awal1> bazhang: he is confusing standard images vs live images
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1852[08:04:42] <awal1> installer images vs live ones
1853[08:04:50] <c-c> bazhang: awal1 doesn't understand the standard image is now used for live use as well
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1855[08:05:03] <bazhang> does anyone use anything but the net install nowadays?
1856[08:05:04] <c-c> awal1: that difference is now history. Try to understand that fact, ok.
1857[08:05:12] <c-c> History.
1858[08:05:39] <bazhang> c-c, you have made the point you want to make with sufficient force by now, why keep on
1859[08:05:42] <awal1> is used for live (repair and so; but not for try X task-desktop then install it
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1861[08:06:01] <c-c> bazhang: so that Sabotender gets the right help
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1863[08:06:12] <bazhang> that ship sailed
1864[08:06:15] <awal1> c-c: you should try a live one and then you'll understand
1865[08:06:30] <c-c> bazhang: see ^
1866[08:06:42] <c-c> bazhang: that is my problem
1867[08:06:49] <bazhang> c-c, I just see you overdoing it
1868[08:07:24] <awal1> holy s***t; he said he never tried a live image, say an XFCE one, but he insists
1869[08:07:30] <bazhang> Sabotender, knows linux pretty well, enough to figure that much out
1870[08:07:31] <c-c> bazhang: its like someone suggesting to use actual cd-roms
1871[08:07:31] <awal1> anyway; movie time now
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1873[08:07:41] <Sabotender> Brb a moment. I'm chatting on my phone and the connection drops
1874[08:07:49] <bazhang> hehe
1875[08:08:10] <c-c> "can't I just use usb? - no no use cd-rom, then youll understand"
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1877[08:09:38] <awal1> c-c: there you have what people call s live replaced-url
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1882[08:11:32] <Puskevit> AlexLikeRock: i fixed it
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1884[08:11:39] <AlexLikeRock> reboot ?
1885[08:11:46] <Puskevit> nope
1886[08:11:47] <AlexLikeRock> apt-get update ?
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1888[08:11:55] <AlexLikeRock> change country ?
1889[08:12:10] <AlexLikeRock> you ask to ORKO?
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1891[08:13:03] <AlexLikeRock> replaced-url
1892[08:13:06] <Puskevit> after downgrading gpg, i got invalid package error. I searched that one and found this: replaced-url
1893[08:13:37] <Puskevit> removing trusted.gpg fixed my problem.
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1896[08:14:57] <AlexLikeRock> cool
1897[08:15:10] <AlexLikeRock> i glade :-)
1898[08:15:38] <c-c> awal1: and what covers most ground are these so why fudge around replaced-url
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1900[08:16:51] <Puskevit> thanks AlexLikeRock and everybody
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1903[08:17:28] <awal1> c-c: if I want to try debian jessie with gnome desktop, without installing it, tell me please: which image should I use?
1904[08:18:23] <c-c> you mean, without installing it on the hd?
1905[08:18:33] <Sabotender> Hmm. Looks like I'll need to manually set up this encrypted drive.
1906[08:18:41] <awal1> c-c: yes
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1909[08:19:57] <c-c> awal1: I'd put this one on my usb replaced-url
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1911[08:20:21] <awal1> c-c: do I need one of the listed here replaced-url
1912[08:20:46] <awal1> c-c: I said try without installing, as I can try mint or ubuntu
1913[08:20:47] <c-c> awal1: you might be tempted to use replaced-url
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1915[08:21:12] <c-c> But I'd just do a usb install and apt-get what I need inside that
1916[08:21:13] <awal1> c-c: I guess now you understand
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1919[08:21:33] <c-c> I understand you didn't describe your scenario, so again I made 2 guesses
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1921[08:21:57] <awal1> now you know what is the difference between a standard image (installer image) and a live image (containing X DE)
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1923[08:22:15] <c-c> awal1: you assume I didn't know all along
1924[08:22:25] <awal1> no, you are just wrong since the beginning
1925[08:22:27] <SHR00MS> DLange is a dick who literally bans people for being "socially clueless" on ##linux, denying their appeal. He hates aspies
1926[08:22:29] <c-c> awal1: lol
1927[08:22:56] <SHR00MS> he pretends that not following social cues is a bad choice, rather than an issue many people struggle with
1928[08:23:01] <c-c> awal1: ok, Im so wrong
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1930[08:23:12] <SHR00MS> therefore the aspies must band together and find strength in numbers
1931[08:23:17] <awal1> c-c: totally wrong :D
1932[08:23:24] <SHR00MS> join ##shrooms today, and stop the evil DLange
1933[08:23:29] <awal1> but np
1934[08:23:58] <c-c> SHR00MS: I would never take advice from someone who mv's /etc in their /dev/null
1935[08:24:19] <SHR00MS> c-c: i would never do such a thing except while on shrooms
1936[08:24:53] <c-c> awal1: anyway, if you're so smart, howcome you didn't link him to replaced-url
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1938[08:25:14] <SHR00MS> i'm considering building a robot that administers a field sobriety test when a user tries to run a command as root after midnight.
1939[08:25:23] <c-c> oops, I mean replaced-url
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1941[08:25:29] <c-c> Sabotender: ^ that
1942[08:26:37] <bazhang> SHR00MS, how is that remotely topical for debian support
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1945[08:27:14] <Sabotender> No amd64 version?
1946[08:27:24] <SHR00MS> bazhang: how is your mom's cunt remotely topical for your tongue?
1947[08:27:27] <SHR00MS> yet there it is
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1950[08:28:16] <awal1> c-c: you can stop it now. it's ok if you was wrong. we all can be wrong. but remember: Raising voice and talking a lot does not mean you're right. cheers; I'm off :P
1951[08:28:24] <c-c> Sabotender: this? replaced-url
1952[08:28:24] <SHR00MS> !ops | cunts
1953[08:28:24] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: shr00ms complains about: | cunts
1954[08:28:41] <SHR00MS> !ops {()}
1955[08:28:42] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: shr00ms complains about: {()}
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1958[08:29:01] <c-c> awal1: I'm a *horrible* voice raiser!
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1960[08:29:08] <SHR00MS> !ops 8====D {()}
1961[08:29:08] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: shr00ms complains about: 8====D {()}
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1965[08:29:56] <awal1> I pasted this link like 2 hours ago replaced-url
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1967[08:30:07] <awal1> all debian images are there
1968[08:30:55] <awal1> if Sabotender needs X image he must go there and check it so; no body is mom of no body here, c-c
1969[08:31:00] <Sabotender> c-c: I'm getting around that efi issue by temporarily disabling it in my bios. Looks like the installer, um, 'fell' for it. 😜
1970[08:31:10] <c-c> So, skinning 40 cats in 5 different ways is possible with debian.
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1973[08:32:16] <LinuxNovice> hello, I'm new to Linux. Wanted to know whether using a distro based on Debian Testing is safe.
1974[08:32:37] <LinuxNovice> I am a newbie switching to Linux from Windows.
1975[08:32:40] <c-c> It is safe some of the time.
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1977[08:32:54] <SHR00MS> LinuxNovice: not likely, for a newbie. use stable released
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1979[08:32:57] <SHR00MS> *releases
1980[08:33:03] <somiaj> LinuxNovice: note that this channel is for support for Debian, so using a Debian based distro, you should use the support for the distro you choose.
1981[08:33:09] <somiaj> LinuxNovice: if you want to use debian, choose debian stable
1982[08:33:18] <SHR00MS> c-c: it may work but is not "safe" i.e. you don't *know* that it will work
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1985[08:33:46] <LinuxNovice> ok. I am new in this Linux world.
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1993[08:34:44] <c-c> LinuxNovice: Testing sometimes breaks when installing. If you are confident you can manouver around such situations, use testing.
1994[08:34:46] <n4dir> isn't ubuntu based on testing?
1995[08:34:46] <LinuxNovice> can I use Debian Jesse?
1996[08:34:55] <c-c> LinuxNovice: I mean, when installing new packages.
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1998[08:35:08] <c-c> LinuxNovice: yes, Jessie is fine.
1999[08:35:11] <Cattrick> hallo. is replaced-url
2000[08:35:19] <nkuttler> n4dir: no, but ask in #ubuntu
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2002[08:35:28] <awal1> n4dir: testing and unstable too
2003[08:35:29] <LinuxNovice> Is it suitable and recommended for a newbie like me?
2004[08:35:36] <Sabotender> Darn it! This disk image only includes the Debian desktop environment. Which is NOT getting installed.
2005[08:35:47] <n4dir> well: what i rather meant is: if a distro based on testing is ok to use, depends on which distro exactly
2006[08:35:49] <Sabotender> I'd rather install and set up cinnamon manually.
2007[08:36:10] <c-c> LinuxNovice: it is rather nice even for newbies.
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2009[08:36:24] <LinuxNovice> What is your opinion on Sparky Linux? It's based on Debian Testing.
2010[08:36:29] <c-c> Sabotender: cinnamon is just a DE, why can't you just apt-get it once you have the base installed.
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2012[08:36:41] <Sabotender> It's going to be a headache getting the network set up in a term though.
2013[08:36:52] <LinuxNovice> are Ubuntu and Mint also based on Debian testing?
2014[08:36:55] <Cattrick> you could "tasksel" and select your DE
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2017[08:37:14] <LinuxNovice> or are they based on Debian stable?
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2020[08:37:41] <c-c> LinuxNovice: sparky was on my list last I reviewed debian-derivatives to install, but - stable won.
2021[08:37:44] <LinuxNovice> I have heard that Debian is the most stable Linux distro.
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2023[08:37:48] <awal1> LinuNovice: this channel is intended for debian users, gnu/linux users running debian yet. x vs y is in #debian-offtopic
2024[08:37:59] <awal1> LinuxNovice: ^
2025[08:38:04] <somiaj> LinuxNovice: ubuntu is its own thing but is only a few thousand packages. It then uses packages from debian testing/unstable as what it callse the universe
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2027[08:38:23] <c-c> LinuxNovice: debian stable has the longest tested packages, and most packages of any OS.
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2029[08:38:33] <Sabotender> c-c: because I have to manually install my network firmware via my phone tethering first.
2030[08:38:42] <c-c> Sabotender: I see
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2034[08:39:05] <c-c> Sabotender: so, the installer doesn't catch that situation?
2035[08:39:12] <n4dir> somiaj: a few thousand? i highly doubt that ....
2036[08:39:16] <Sabotender> I just hope that network detection works as usual without a DE installed. Otherwise I'm...you know what.
2037[08:39:31] <LinuxNovice> c-c, between Debian stable and Sparky, which one would you suggest for a newbie like me?
2038[08:39:38] <c-c> Sabotender: can you test drive using a usb-stick-install?
2039[08:39:44] <Sabotender> c-c: the installer KILLS my tethered connection. Lol I already tried.
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2041[08:39:55] <LinuxNovice> I don't have much knowledge about CLI
2042[08:40:18] <n4dir> LinuxNovice: it really doesn't matter. Use any distro and learn the basics. With all the errors which come with learning
2043[08:41:05] <c-c> LinuxNovice: if you are learning cli/terminal, you want something with a nice desktop. LXDE is what I use at most, but I guess gnome or kde are best for new users, as they have broad feature set.
2044[08:41:08] <LinuxNovice> I am facing some problem in opening some pdf files that keep asking for password every time I try to open them.
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2046[08:41:25] <p0g0> Sabotender: do you mean during the install- that network setup happens early in the sequence. If you need to fix that 'kill my net' thing during the install, you should be able to open a 2nd console and hand fit the net long enough to make the install.
2047[08:41:30] <LinuxNovice> But, in sparky linux, I can open them without the password.
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2049[08:41:36] <c-c> LinuxNovice: I usually recommend Bunsenlabs for people who want light debian.
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2052[08:42:02] <n4dir> i recommend debian for people who want a lite debian
2053[08:42:11] <LinuxNovice> In every other distro like Debian, Ubuntu, Mint etc it asks for password.
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2055[08:42:34] <c-c> Then again, debian stable with firmware included gives you the widest hardware support and access to any DE.
2056[08:42:35] <Sabotender> Ugh of course it doesn't boot. Depressing.
2057[08:42:41] <LinuxNovice> I am able to open it in Sparky linux with qpdfview.
2058[08:42:55] <Sabotender> Just a blinking cursor.
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2060[08:43:16] <LinuxNovice> I too prefer Debian.
2061[08:43:25] <c-c> Sabotender: uh, the installed doesn't boot? or
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2063[08:44:31] <Sabotender> I just finished installing without a dm, encrypted LVM with grub on the same drive
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2070[08:45:09] <LinuxNovice> any solution for the problem I am facing now in opening the pdf files?
2071[08:45:19] <Sabotender> Okay going to try your link
2072[08:45:55] <c-c> Sabotender: sounds like your linux didn't boot
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2076[08:47:10] <p0g0> LinuxNovice: I presume the PDFs are in fact encrypted? There are crackers for that, but I cannot name one... If you want to see if there is really any content, pdf2html or similar tools will try to extract from the PDF, and will fail immediately if the file is locked/encrypted.
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2081[08:48:02] <Sabotender> c-c: nope not at all. I'm going to try the cinnamon live image in legacy (BIOS) mode to see if I don't get an install error.
2082[08:48:03] <n4dir> pdfcrack, but sure not much fun
2083[08:48:06] <LinuxNovice> No, the pdfs are not encrypted. I can open them in Windows and Sparky Linux, and they don't ask for password there.
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2085[08:48:08] <p0g0> If you get any text or such extracted, then you should be able to use Okular or the like to view that file. More likely, you need a password for real, because the PDF author set that requirement.
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2088[08:48:31] <p0g0> LinuxNovice: have you tried Okular or a similar reader?
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2090[08:48:42] <Sabotender> I'm determined to get this to work. I have all night.
2091[08:49:01] <c-c> Sabotender: whats your hardware?
2092[08:49:13] <LinuxNovice> yes. I have tried Okular and every other reader available in repositories.
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2094[08:49:31] <p0g0> LinuxNovice: and you get prompted by Okular for a password?
2095[08:50:07] <Sabotender> Some skylake processor. I don't have my hardware stuff offhand. Let me boot in OS X so I can tell you
2096[08:50:07] <LinuxNovice> and with qpdfview I'm not able to open them in Ubuntu also. But, with the same app that is qpdfview, I can open them in Sparky linux.
2097[08:50:30] <LinuxNovice> yes. Okular also prompts for password.
2098[08:50:59] <LinuxNovice> I tried evince also, but with the same result.
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2101[08:51:46] <p0g0> LinuxNovice: well, I have no answer then, I have never observed that PW requirement for unencrypted PDFs.
2102[08:51:59] <c-c> LinuxNovice: and evince?
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2104[08:53:04] <LinuxNovice> yes. I tried with Okular, evince, the defauld pdf viewer and also qpdfview on other distros.
2105[08:53:28] <LinuxNovice> But, i am able to open them only on Sparky Linux, without the password.
2106[08:53:29] <p0g0> LinuxNovice: can you make Okular work for _any_ PDF?
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2108[08:53:59] <Sabotender> c-c: Core i7 skylake, bcm4352, gtx 970m
2109[08:54:15] <p0g0> LinuxNovice: or do they all seem to have a PW?
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2111[08:54:24] <c-c> Sabotender: nice.
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2113[08:54:47] <LinuxNovice> yes. other pdf files open. But, only some pdf files ask for password. These same pdfs don't have any problem opening in other OSs like Windows and Sparky.
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2116[08:55:36] <LinuxNovice> Not all pdfs ask for password, only some. And these are not encrypted.
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2118[08:56:43] <p0g0> LinuxNovice: for grins, I might try opening those 'locked' PDFs in some PDF editor and then save them again, then re-opent them in Okular and see if the PW requirement is still there.
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2120[08:57:31] <LinuxNovice> ok. what are those pdf editors? where can I find them?
2121[08:58:20] <p0g0> PDFedit iirc
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2123[08:58:41] <LinuxNovice> I am being compelled to use live usb of Sparky Linux, every time I need those pdfs.
2124[08:58:49] <p0g0> That should be in the Debian repository, if I am not mistaken.
2125[08:59:07] <LinuxNovice> ok. I'll try that.
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2127[09:00:50] <p0g0> Again, that is just a test. I am trying to sort out where the PW requirement comes in, and it sounds like it is in the PDF itself, and being ignored by most readers, as a guess. So if you can open one with the editor, change a space or two then save it as a new file, you may or may not get prompted to add a PW requirement... ymmv, and I may be guessing all wrong too.
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2134[09:02:44] <awal1> LinuxNovice: I use pdftk and pdfchain for edit pdf files; check if it lets you open them
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2136[09:03:21] <awal1> it's free for linux, but not for windows :P
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2140[09:03:41] <Sabotender> Okay I'm rewriting the cinnamon whatchacallit now.
2141[09:03:46] <Sabotender> It's almost done.
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2143[09:04:29] <LinuxNovice> awal1, I'll try that.
2144[09:04:56] <p0g0> LinuxNovice: if you search up "how to remove password from a PDF", you will find some online tools to try also.
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2147[09:05:19] <awal1> p0go: I think pdftk is more featured than pdfedit
2148[09:05:42] <LinuxNovice> ok
2149[09:06:04] <p0g0> awal1: I recall PDFedit is a bit clunky, and haven't used it in a while.
2150[09:06:23] <p0g0> But I have seen it work...
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2152[09:06:38] <awal1> I tried almost all pdf tools but I found pdftk more featured for edition
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2158[09:07:11] <awal1> pdfchain is it's nice/easy gtk front-end
2159[09:08:31] <LinuxNovice> one more doubt, I had. Does a newer linux kernel have any advantage over an older one? And do the Stable versions of distros come with older kernels?
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2163[09:08:46] <darxmurf> hi all
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2165[09:08:55] <p0g0> Newer kernels are usually a great thing, usually...
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2167[09:09:17] <n4dir> LinuxNovice: as far debian is concerned you will always get a pretty new kernel via the stable-backports
2168[09:09:27] <awal1> LinuxNovice: depends what "old" means for you :P
2169[09:09:36] <n4dir> while the default kernel of stable can be quite "old"
2170[09:09:46] <LinuxNovice> old means slighlty older versions.
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2172[09:10:10] <awal1> I like old stuff; old = less bugs/more stability
2173[09:10:19] <p0g0> LinuxNovice: Debian carries several versions at all times, some are stable, and hence "old".
2174[09:11:01] <LinuxNovice> ok.
2175[09:11:05] <p0g0> LinuxNovice: if you are willing to live on the bleeding edge, you want the Debian version "Sid"
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2177[09:11:26] <p0g0> Which never changes name, unlike the other Debian releases.
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2179[09:12:15] <p0g0> LinuxNovice: but generally, Sid users are willing and able to manage broken things
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2181[09:12:35] <awal1> LinuxNovice: that's why debian is great. you want stable run stable branch, something like rolling release run testing, latest software / bleeding edge + adventure run unstable
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2183[09:13:05] <LinuxNovice> I don't know how to deal with broken things. I am too new for it.
2184[09:13:15] <p0g0> LinuxNovice: right.
2185[09:13:27] <awal1> debian offers around 40000+ pkgs; rarelly you'll need third party ones
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2192[09:14:20] <Sabotender> Zomg I think the live image is going to work. It's not giving me an error.
2193[09:14:26] <LinuxNovice> ok. Do you think Debian is better than Ubuntu and Mint? Because of it being more stable?
2194[09:14:27] <awal1> 25000+ binary pkgs
2195[09:14:40] <nkuttler> LinuxNovice: you're in #
2196[09:14:41] <n4dir> anyway, right now the kernel in backports seems to be 4.7, the one in testing 4.8. If that is what matters, the kernel, you are fine with stable and backports (not saying a newer kernel would always matter)
2197[09:14:46] <Sabotender> I'll dance if it manages to boot.
2198[09:14:48] <nkuttler> LinuxNovice: you're in #debian, what do you expect to hear :)
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2200[09:15:05] <LinuxNovice> ok
2201[09:15:12] <c-c> LinuxNovice: which is better, hammer or screwdriver? - depends if you have a nail to hammer, or a screw to attach
2202[09:15:13] <p0g0> LinuxNovice: Debian is the root of those, they are "Distributions" tailored and tweaked from Debian.
2203[09:15:31] <n4dir> LinuxNovice: search for "who the bloody hell cares for debian". That will tell a bit about debian
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2205[09:16:55] <Sabotender> What is the lilo boot loader?
2206[09:17:01] <p0g0> LinuxNovice: Distributions are typically tailored to some end, being most current, fixing driver issues, asserting a look and feel, etc. Debian is a full universe of looks and feels, tools, etc. It is a firehose of sorts.
2207[09:17:03] <Sabotender> Grub is failing to install
2208[09:17:17] <p0g0> Sabotender: you are getting a LILO prompt?
2209[09:17:24] <p0g0> that is ancient...
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2211[09:17:48] <Sabotender> I see it after the grub prompt but I'll install it to get around the stupid grub install error
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2214[09:18:11] <LinuxNovice> I feel Debian will be more suitable for me.
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2217[09:18:36] <Sabotender> Grub-pc package failed to install into /target/.
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2220[09:18:58] <c-c> Sabotender: why not install it where it belongs, /boot/
2221[09:18:58] <Sabotender> Without the grub boatloader, the installed system will not boot.
2222[09:19:02] <LinuxNovice> I will go for Debian stable
2223[09:19:06] <p0g0> Sabotender: you have a grub boot record and a LILO boot too? I'll guess you have put one on the master boot record and the other on the partition... Yes you need GRUB
2224[09:19:13] <Sabotender> c-c: not sure how.
2225[09:19:15] <p0g0> LinuxNovice: good choice
2226[09:19:21] <Sabotender> I'm in the installer.
2227[09:19:32] <Sabotender> It's pretty automated.
2228[09:19:50] <p0g0> Sabotender: the rescue mode of the installer will let you re-install GRUB, iirc
2229[09:19:54] <c-c> Sabotender: make a /boot -partition (in the installer), make sure it has bootable flag, install grub
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2231[09:19:59] <Sabotender> Should I continue without boatloader?
2232[09:20:09] <n4dir> no way.
2233[09:20:18] <p0g0> only if you want to reboot with the CD and then try to rescue
2234[09:20:21] <c-c> encrypted system without a bootloader? diff
2235[09:20:30] <Sabotender> I'm just saying so I can complete the installer.
2236[09:20:35] <p0g0> oh, yeah, you encrypted the FS...
2237[09:20:42] <c-c> Sabotender: did you do manual partition?
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2239[09:20:47] <p0g0> I am not sure then...
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2241[09:21:08] <LinuxNovice> and one more question.is a stable version of a distro faster than an unstable or testing version?
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2244[09:21:16] <Sabotender> c-c no I did not because I do not know how to set up encrypted file systems manually.
2245[09:21:19] <p0g0> LinuxNovice: no telling really
2246[09:21:30] <n4dir> LinuxNovice: make an educated guess.
2247[09:21:34] <buu> LinuxNovice: It's completely undefined
2248[09:21:41] <c-c> Sabotender: ok, I don't know about the automated installer
2249[09:21:42] <buu> It could honestly be either way and change at random
2250[09:21:48] <c-c> somene else maybe...
2251[09:21:53] <Sabotender> I'm saying should I continue without a boot loader so I can install grub in /boot
2252[09:22:11] <Sabotender> Just so I can get out of the installer.
2253[09:22:21] <n4dir> and i am saying: hell, no
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2256[09:22:39] <LinuxNovice> I need a lightweight DE. I have decided to go with Debian with XFCE.
2257[09:22:40] <p0g0> Sabotender: you can, but you will need to reboot with the installer, then use it to rescue the install and assert GRUB where it should go... if you can.
2258[09:22:52] <Sabotender> Well it's giving me an effing error, n4dir What else is there to do.
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2260[09:23:31] <Sabotender> I'm in the live session, p0g0
2261[09:23:32] <n4dir> Sabotender: i am not sure. You can easily repair a missing grub without encryption. With encryption is sure a bit of a headache
2262[09:23:41] <Iota> Good morning, world!
2263[09:23:56] <p0g0> Sabotender: are you using the standard Debian install disk images?
2264[09:23:58] <n4dir> I am not sure if lilo handles encryption good ( i can't see why it shouldn't, just saying that i don't know)
2265[09:24:08] <Sabotender> So how about I try to install lilo instead, since it's an option.
2266[09:24:20] <n4dir> But if grub fails to install, you don't seem to have much choice but simply try lilo
2267[09:24:22] <Sabotender> I'm going to try lilo
2268[09:24:37] <p0g0> don't use LILO, it is obsolete...
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2270[09:24:42] <n4dir> if that fails, nothing hinders you to try to repair grub anyway
2271[09:25:13] <n4dir> p0g0: wouldn't say so. In some distros it is even the de-facto standard
2272[09:25:33] <n4dir> well: from what i hear
2273[09:25:45] <p0g0> In my experience, LILO has had all manners of interesting drive naming issues.
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2276[09:26:09] <Sabotender> The grub-pc package failed to install into /target/. Without grub boot loader, the installed system will not boot.
2277[09:26:12] <p0g0> GRUB will at least let you search and retry from failed boot configs...
2278[09:26:23] <Sabotender> That's the error I'm getting so my options are limited.
2279[09:26:30] <c-c> Sabotender: I think /target is a wrong place
2280[09:26:33] <LinuxNovice> I have read on the internet that Ubuntu and Mint are more geared towards beginners and those who switch to Linux from Windows. What
2281[09:26:42] <c-c> Sabotender: you need to do your homework for encrypted system!
2282[09:26:49] <LinuxNovice> What are your views?
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2284[09:26:52] <n4dir> Sabotender: it says exactly /target
2285[09:26:54] <n4dir> ?
2286[09:26:57] <c-c> Sabotender: you need a /boot partition for grub
2287[09:26:58] <Sabotender> c-c: no way for me to change it.
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2289[09:27:05] <c-c> Sabotender: more homework!
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2291[09:27:11] <Sabotender> n4dir: exactly /target/
2292[09:27:12] <p0g0> LinuxNovice: there are several distros like that, if you want to keep the look and feel of some other OS...
2293[09:27:13] <n4dir> did you make any choice? if you just hit the enter key, it should install to mbr
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2295[09:27:41] <LinuxNovice> ok.
2296[09:27:59] <n4dir> while i seem to recall (i seem), that if you say: no, don't install to mbr, you will be prompet for another path to install it (target?)
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2301[09:28:38] <n4dir> Sabotender: is it possible that you made such a choice?
2302[09:28:45] <p0g0> iirc, you get a prompt suggesting the MBR but also offering the partitions.
2303[09:28:47] <Sabotender> I did not appear to give me that option.
2304[09:28:56] <Sabotender> It just went right to that error.
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2306[09:29:42] <n4dir> i think you can go back one step (at least in the past), and will start with installing grub again. Can you see an option like that? (sorry, been a while i installed debian ... )
2307[09:29:42] <Sabotender> No prompt. Error right after configure package manager
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2309[09:29:54] <Sabotender> I've tried that like ten times.
2310[09:29:56] <Sabotender> Lol
2311[09:30:07] <n4dir> clusterfuck. sorry for the trouble.
2312[09:30:16] <c-c> How about: homework on how to do it from the internets.
2313[09:30:30] <darxmurf> Quizz of the day, would you upgrade a RAID card firmware while it's rebuilding (expending) an array ?
2314[09:30:33] <p0g0> Sabotender: can you retry- change the disk partitions, create a couple of little ones at the start of the disk, make one unencrypted and place GRUB there, and maybe some of the OS (your choice) and then create the encrypted partition.
2315[09:30:48] <Sabotender> Is it possible to install grub manually for an encrypted system?
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2317[09:31:02] <Sabotender> You said it's a pain, but it's possible?
2318[09:31:03] <n4dir> i've done it, but it sure isn't much fun
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2320[09:31:07] <n4dir> it is possible
2321[09:31:12] <p0g0> Sabotender: I am guessing the issue is in the encryption, but I don't know enought to do more than guess.
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2323[09:31:20] <Sabotender> Okay I'll try that.
2324[09:31:35] <n4dir> though if you wanna do that, it won't hurt to try lilo first. imho, of course
2325[09:31:58] <Sabotender> LILO wouldn't even install, btw.
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2327[09:32:05] <n4dir> oh
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2329[09:32:16] <Sabotender> Gave similar error
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2331[09:32:37] <n4dir> you have picked lvm encrypted automatic partitioning, right?
2332[09:32:44] <Sabotender> Yep
2333[09:32:56] <n4dir> weird. A guru is needed
2334[09:32:58] <Sabotender> No bells or whistles. Just followed the prompts.
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2336[09:33:33] <awal1> somiaj: i have a trivial question: if I have x app in full screen, or if I'm playing a video file in full screen say in youtube or via a video player (mpv...), under openbox I can launch another app, say a drop-down terminal su as guake, and that app is raised and I can work on it and the app/video in full screen still in full screen mode; but under fvwm or fluxbox the second app launched (guake) is effectively launched but not raised, it's invisible behind
2337[09:33:33] <awal1> the full screen app. What is the explanation here?
2338[09:33:40] <n4dir> if the installer fails to install grub and lilo, i wouldn't have too high hopes it works later ...
2339[09:33:47] <awal1> I dont know if you understand my question :P
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2342[09:35:03] <Sabotender> Says that I will need to boot manually with the /vmlinuz kernel on partition /dev/mapper/debian--vg-root and root=/dev/mapper/debian--vg-root passed as a kernel argument
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2344[09:35:09] <p0g0> Sabotender: since you have all night, can you face trying to re-install from the start, only skip the crypto on the basic install, just to see if GRUB installs. Create a partition too, that you can encrypt, but don't put the OS on it... as a test.
2345[09:35:13] <Sabotender> I took a picture of that with my phone
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2348[09:36:52] <Sabotender> I don't want to do that. I'd rather try to install grub manually from this point.
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2359[09:40:03] <p0g0> Sabotender: this is broadly my suggestion then: replaced-url
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2361[09:40:23] <p0g0> (just one of many simple howto's, you may find another you prefer)
2362[09:41:36] <Sabotender> I'll try that now. Is the issue that the boot partition doesn't appear to have a label?
2363[09:42:08] <p0g0> no, the label is not the issue
2364[09:42:30] <p0g0> At least, not that I know of, you can change a disk label anytime anyway...
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2366[09:43:09] <c-c> Sabotender: I would do manual partitioning first
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2369[09:43:16] <c-c> then back up in the installer and autodo
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2371[09:43:38] <c-c> Sabotender: you can find images of the installer screen sequence if you google
2372[09:44:16] <n4dir> as far i can tell the how-to repair from above will not work with lvm/cryptsetup. Rather like this: replaced-url
2373[09:44:43] <Sabotender> The live image doesn't even have a rescue option.
2374[09:45:27] <Sabotender> Is the problem that the boot file system was set as ext2?
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2376[09:46:32] <n4dir> rather sure it isn't (that is: i made it ext2, but it's been a while)
2377[09:46:34] <p0g0> Sabotender: so you didn't use the Debian Install Disk to install Debian?
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2379[09:46:47] <p0g0> ext2 should be ok.
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2383[09:47:51] <Sabotender> p0g0: I used the Debian cinnamon live image
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2386[09:48:47] <p0g0> Sabotender: OK, I have no notion of how to help with that. Can you find the Debian Install disk for that kernel? That should have the rescue option.
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2391[09:49:57] <Sabotender> I'm going to try that link you gave me
2392[09:50:11] <n4dir> like said, it won't work ...
2393[09:50:21] <p0g0> Sabotender: well, I actually do have an idea how to use the live cd, but it is involved (chroot, etc). I'd go for the Debian Install Rescue...
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2400[09:52:13] <Sabotender> Oh n4dir I meant your link
2401[09:54:16] <n4dir> oh, my fault
2402[09:55:13] <Sabotender> Crypt setup: command not found
2403[09:55:31] <n4dir> iirc, but might well be wrong: if you cryptsetup Open, you *must give it the same name you got in /etc/fstab (but like said: if i recall correct)
2404[09:55:43] <n4dir> apt-get install cryptsetup and ... give me a second ...
2405[09:56:21] <n4dir> modprobe -v dm-mod
2406[09:56:22] <Sabotender> that means ill have to turn on my tethering
2407[09:56:37] <Sabotender> that will disconnect me as im on my phone. brb.
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2431[10:02:15] <Sabotender> okay im tethered
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2439[10:06:01] <unitealllife> test
2440[10:06:49] <Sabotender> n4dir: vgscan not found.
2441[10:07:01] <PIP3> Hey - I fiddled around with /network/interfaces a little too much and locked myself out of the webinterface (while trying to figure out how to install a new NIC). I've tried setting address, gateway and subnet manually on any of my three NICs, but it doesn't seem to work :/ . I run a proxmox deb 8 server with a pfsense vm. I pulled the new NIC out again and networking+intenet via pfsense is working, just no access to the proxmox
2442[10:07:01] <PIP3> webinterface.
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2445[10:07:45] <n4dir> Sabotender: i never used lvm. either apt-get install lvm or "apt-cache search vgscan".
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2450[10:08:49] <n4dir> well: might be lvm2
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2453[10:09:26] <Sabotender> that did it
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2455[10:10:09] <n4dir> whew. just figured it out with "apt-file search vgscan", but really was shooting in the dark .. :-)
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2479[10:20:42] <Sabotender> grub-install command not found
2480[10:21:05] <n4dir> apt-get install grub (grub2?) let me check
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2484[10:21:26] <Sabotender> how do i install the grub installer? lol. i searched google but everywhere seems to assume its alteady present
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2487[10:21:31] <n4dir> well: try grub2
2488[10:21:38] <Sabotender> okay
2489[10:21:42] <babilen> Sabotender: EFI or not?
2490[10:21:56] <n4dir> says it's a dummy package, hopefully will pick what you want
2491[10:22:11] <Sabotender> babilen: legacy
2492[10:22:18] <babilen> Sabotender: Grab grub-pc then
2493[10:22:48] * n4dir hides ...
2494[10:22:55] <Sabotender> grub-pc has no install candidate
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2496[10:23:09] <Sabotender> apt-get install grub-pc?
2497[10:23:37] <babilen> Sabotender: What does "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy grub-pc" give you? Could you paste that on replaced-url
2498[10:23:50] <Sabotender> will grub-install work with grub-pc?
2499[10:24:33] <babilen> It will
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2501[10:24:45] <babilen> Well, I don't know, but you'll be able to run it
2502[10:25:20] <Sabotender> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status release a=now
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2508[10:26:34] <Sabotender> pinned packages: grub-pc: installed: (none), candidate: (none), Version Table: [blank]
2509[10:26:41] <babilen> Sabotender: Please pase the *entire* output of those two commands to replaced-url
2510[10:26:48] <babilen> *paste
2511[10:27:07] <Sabotender> babilen: im on my phone so i have to manually type it out.
2512[10:27:19] <babilen> Right, then don't do that :)
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2514[10:27:23] <babilen> So that box isn't online?
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2516[10:28:22] <Sabotender> thats the complete of thosr two lines.
2517[10:28:53] <babilen> What you'll have to do is to edit /etc/apt/sources.list to contain references to all standard repositories for jessie, run "apt update" after which you should be able to install the grub-pc package.
2518[10:28:57] <babilen> dpkg: jessie sources.list
2519[10:28:57] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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2522[10:29:49] <babilen> Make that "main contrib non-free" if you want to install non-free software also.
2523[10:29:51] <Sabotender> im confused.
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2525[10:29:57] <n4dir> just to be sure: You will need to install grub-pc after you chroot to the installed version you want to repair.
2526[10:30:11] <Sabotender> theres no way to install grub-pc via apt?
2527[10:30:29] <n4dir> you needed cryptsetup and lvm to mount the partitions, but you will need grub in the chroot.
2528[10:30:38] <babilen> Sabotender: There is, but apt can't find that package as you (presumably) haven't configured your sources.list
2529[10:30:47] <Sabotender> right. ive gotten all the way to the chroot point.
2530[10:31:00] <n4dir> sorry then for the noise
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2532[10:31:10] <Sabotender> whats the command to install grub-pc?
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2534[10:31:20] <babilen> "apt install grub-pc"
2535[10:31:20] <Sabotender> apt-get install grub-pc?
2536[10:31:22] <Sabotender> ok
2537[10:31:49] <Sabotender> let me see if i can nano into the sources
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2548[10:34:13] <Sabotender> i think chroot is causing a problem
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2551[10:34:23] <Sabotender> my root is wrong
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2554[10:34:41] <Sabotender> it failed to download all those sources
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2556[10:35:39] <Sabotender> how do i back out of the chroot command without messing up my progress?
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2559[10:36:55] <n4dir> i think what you want is a simple "exit" (proc, sys and dev will stay mounted though)
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2570[10:39:37] <moha> How can I install Jupyter on Debian Stretch using apt? I don't want to use Pip or Anaconda.
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2575[10:41:07] <n4dir> i seem to recall i had to "cp /etc/resolv.conf /mountpoint/chroot/etc/resolv.conf" to get internet inside the chroot. Sabotender
2576[10:41:22] <n4dir> and the how-to doesn't mention it (i might recall wrong, of course)
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2580[10:43:11] <Sabotender> n4dir: that was my whole problem i was unable to install grub-pc. i was in the wrong root
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2587[10:44:31] <Sabotender> still wont work.
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2591[10:45:27] <Sabotender> n4dir: may i have that link again? it fell off the buffer
2592[10:45:33] <n4dir> second
2593[10:45:45] <n4dir> replaced-url
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2596[10:46:05] <Sabotender> danke
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2598[10:46:14] <n4dir> if cp resolv.conf doesn't help, i got no other idea. sorry
2599[10:46:19] <n4dir> bitte :-)
2600[10:46:58] <n4dir> i'm on my way out. Good luck ( perhaps a little rest won't hurt, then with fresh energy, that chroot-thingy can be confusing ... ). Anyway: good luck
2601[10:47:26] <Sabotender> no if i dont do this now, its not hapoening.
2602[10:47:53] <Sabotender> ill try in the linux chanbel for further assistance
2603[10:48:01] <n4dir> on a last (chat ) note; you sure got patience. I would have given up long ago :-)
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2695[11:37:47] <john_x> where could I ask for a little help on routing?
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2701[11:39:30] <buu> !ask
2702[11:39:30] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2704[11:40:13] <john_x> not sure if there is not a dedicated channel for Linux routing questions.
2705[11:40:23] <john_x> or networking.
2706[11:40:31] <john_x> but anyway
2707[11:40:45] <john_x> trying to reach internal host (internal IP on different subnet) over VPN from other host
2708[11:41:00] <john_x> so host itself on VPN is 10.8.20.25
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2710[11:41:10] <john_x> it has an additional internal IP @ 10.3.0.1
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2713[11:41:33] <john_x> My other host can reach 10.8.20.25 just fine but I can't ping 10.3.0.1 after setting what I think are the required routes.
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2715[11:43:13] <john_x> ie. on the other host I put something like "ip route add 10.3.0.1/24 via 10.8.20.25 dev tun0"
2716[11:43:24] <john_x> oops, 10.3.0.0/24
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2718[11:44:20] <juhop> are you using openvpn perhaps?
2719[11:44:27] <john_x> yes
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2722[11:45:14] <juhop> on server conf, you need to push the subnet behind vpn server
2723[11:46:03] <juhop> e.g. push "route 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0"
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2725[11:46:13] <john_x> the "other host" is the vpn server. So I set that route on that host.
2726[11:46:18] <juhop> this would make 192.168.1.0/25 network accessible for clients
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2728[11:46:36] <john_x> aye but 10.3.0.0 is a client network.
2729[11:46:57] <_boreeas_> Hey! I generated a raw disk image with qemu-img create, debootstrapped it and am now trying to generate an fstab file inside the guest. The two partitions of the disk image (ext3 /boot and xfs /) are loopback mounted to /dev/loop0p1 and /dev/loop0p2 respectively.
2730[11:47:45] <_boreeas_> I tried using the uuid from blkid of /dev/loop0* for the UUIDs in the fstab, but when I try to boot the img with qemu, grub complains it can't find disks with that ids
2731[11:47:53] <john_x> moreover the client (with the 10.3.0.1 address) knows how to reach my local LAN (192.168.20.x) so normally everything works fine.
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2733[11:48:04] <john_x> that's a route I push to the client.
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2737[11:49:40] <john_x> tcpdump does not see ping packets coming from my server to 10.3.0.1 even though they should be arriving over tun0 .... :-/.
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2751[11:58:06] <llldino> JohnA, Are you listing on tun0 using the -i option of tcpdump?
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2753[11:58:40] <llldino> JohnA, Oh, it won't see ping, ping uses the ICMP protocol and tcpdump only looks at tcp packets
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2771[12:03:57] <SynrG> llldino, JohnA: unless you do, e.g. tcpdump -nni eth0 icmp
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2773[12:05:10] <SynrG> er, s/eth0/tun0/
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2784[12:09:16] <cjh2201> Any obvious reason why BunsenLabs' most recent beta would give a "failed to determine the codename for this release"(bug#~374334) on install after disk partitioning? Also failed to execute install step, I attempted rewriting the iso but to no avail
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2809[12:23:42] <cjh2201> ww
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2830[12:37:58] <ByteStorm> guys,im using qbittorent to download torrents ... but on adding another torrent to my list,it says it is having problems downloading and whatever to my harddisk(where i hav put the download options to...) something about I/O errors...can you help??
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2835[12:38:44] <allizom> ByteStorm: do you have enough free space on the download destination?
2836[12:39:08] <ByteStorm> yes pal
2837[12:39:17] <ByteStorm> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6064728 Sep 27 2014 qbittorrent in /usr/bin
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2840[12:40:47] <allizom> do you download to /usr/bin?
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2842[12:40:52] <ByteStorm> maybe it doesnt hav group/user permission to write to the disk?
2843[12:41:01] <allizom> sorry if I misinterpreted
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2845[12:41:29] <ByteStorm> no i download to my external hard disk
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2847[12:42:27] <allizom> is the hard disk FAT-formatted? It has a maximum file size of 4 GB (or GiB, I don't remember)
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2850[12:42:45] <ByteStorm> yes
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2853[12:43:05] <allizom> So if your file is over that size, it can't be contained there
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2856[12:43:25] <ByteStorm> ls -l of the hardisk mount point gives toal 0
2857[12:43:26] <ByteStorm> total*
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2861[12:44:20] <ByteStorm> wait there are two mount points with same name
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2866[12:45:10] <ByteStorm> drwx------ 4 neelz neelz 32768 Oct 2 13:27 Downloads --> this is my download location
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2868[12:47:44] <ByteStorm> allizom, 1 = execute, 2 = read and 4= write ??
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2872[12:48:53] <ByteStorm> nvr mind
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2892[12:54:57] <ByteStorm> ok guys can i hav some help with how to change the group permissions of the hard disk,so tht i can write to the hard disk from qbittorent...
2893[12:55:16] <ByteStorm> also how to add qbittorent to my neelz group
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2901[12:57:33] <SynrG> ByteStorm: executables can't be added to uic groups. user can, however. does qbittorent run as its own user?
2902[12:57:40] <SynrG> users*
2903[12:57:48] <ByteStorm> idk
2904[12:58:02] <allizom> ByteStorm: you said your drive is formatted with FAT, as far as I know there are no permissions for FAT file system (only at mount I think)
2905[12:58:26] <pingfloyd> with fat permissions are determined by mount options
2906[12:58:59] <ByteStorm> i had it installed a couple of months ago but then stopped torrenting due to my isp's blocking of torrents
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2908[12:59:19] <SynrG> ByteStorm: check with ps what the owner of the process is
2909[12:59:27] <ByteStorm> allizom, i wanted to change group permissions of the mount point
2910[12:59:34] <ByteStorm> ok
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2913[13:01:21] <SynrG> but i want to caution that adding a daemon's uid to your personal account's group grants the daemon privileges to overwrite *any* of your files, not just the ones in your Download folder
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2915[13:01:36] <ByteStorm> ok
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2919[13:02:07] <SynrG> it would be better to have it the other way around, with a directory where qbittorrent can write owned by the qbittorrent uid/gid, then add yourself to its group
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2921[13:02:43] <ByteStorm> yes,but it cant be on the FAT formatted harddisk?
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2924[13:03:21] <SynrG> it might be accomplished with a bind mount. i don't know
2925[13:03:25] <pingfloyd> you permissions for fat FSes is controlled by mount options uid=, gid=, umask, dmask and fmask
2926[13:03:59] <SynrG> so i would designate one subfolder of your Download folder as where qbittorrent writes, and bind-mount that with the appropriate gid=
2927[13:04:15] <SynrG> i have not tried this, though, so don't know if it works
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2930[13:05:14] <ByteStorm> ok,it sounds like a lengthy process,i could like to finish it all after my exams are over(which is tommorrrow)...i learn it / or look at the principles of it
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2933[13:05:34] <ByteStorm> is there a webpage tht points to such a system,maybe bookmark it?
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2935[13:05:44] <SynrG> ByteStorm: apparently not possible according to replaced-url
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2938[13:06:05] <SynrG> ByteStorm: another solution is to partition the external disk, and have one filesystem owned by qbittorrent and the other by you
2939[13:06:22] <SynrG> ByteStorm: or else reformat it with a filesystem supporting permissions
2940[13:06:29] <SynrG> er, ownership i mean
2941[13:06:42] <ByteStorm> SynrG, i hav a ton load of data in the disk...no option of reformatting it
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2943[13:06:56] <SynrG> ByteStorm: does it occupy less than half of the disk?
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2945[13:07:48] <SynrG> you could use gparted, shrink the partition, create the new partition, copy the data to the new partition, delete the old partition, grow the new partition to fill the whole disk again
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2953[13:08:31] <SynrG> ByteStorm: the other benefit is FAT can't handle > 4G files
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2961[13:08:51] <SynrG> if you like torrents, you will eventually want to download one of those and the current FAT system won't handle it
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2964[13:09:03] <ByteStorm> yes SynrG ,i do hav an internal harddisk tht i can reformat
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2968[13:09:43] <ByteStorm> i think ill experiment with it tomoorrow though,as i hav an exam tomoorrow...will look at it afte i reach home
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2970[13:09:50] <SynrG> k. good luck
2971[13:09:58] <ByteStorm> can you point me to necessary sites to look at it??
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2976[13:10:48] <SynrG> ByteStorm: it is more a matter of deciding what you want to do, first. once you've done that, we can help.
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2978[13:11:02] <ByteStorm> ok SynrG
2979[13:11:14] <ByteStorm> ill think over it tommmorrow
2980[13:12:01] <SynrG> ByteStorm: your current problems are: designating a download dir owned by the qbittorrent process (can't do that with FAT, not *and* keep the Download folder owned by you) and 2. support files > 4G. reformatting your download disk as ext4 would accomplish both. you'd just need a temporary location for the data during the shuffle (could be the disk itself if you have enough free space)
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2982[13:12:42] <ByteStorm> which the internal harddisk could support
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2985[13:13:29] <SynrG> k. and then it's just a matter of copying data from disk to disk. and then formatting the drive as ext4. is the last step the one you need help with?
2986[13:13:46] <ByteStorm> no,i guess i can handle tht
2987[13:14:16] <SynrG> great. we have a plan, then.
2988[13:14:34] <ByteStorm> ok
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2991[13:15:17] <SynrG> when we get back to ownership/permissions, give us a holler if you're stuck. but adding a user to a group is easy, e.g. "adduser neelz qbittorrent" assuming qbittorrent group exists and is what the process runs as
2992[13:15:35] <ByteStorm> ok
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2994[13:16:07] <ByteStorm> so i just need to make a group qbittorent,assign a folder to it,and add the user neelz to the group?
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2996[13:16:26] <SynrG> well, and check qbittorrent's configuration to see what group it writes dirs/files as
2997[13:16:40] <SynrG> make sure it actually does write them as owned by that gid
2998[13:16:47] <ByteStorm> yes
2999[13:17:05] <SynrG> it might have an option that controls that. i don't know
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3004[13:17:25] <ByteStorm> yes it does hav a optionb to control the write directory to
3005[13:17:55] <SynrG> i mean an option for which group it writes as
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3007[13:18:01] <unborn> hi guys.. I would like to apologise for my frustration regards playing dvds in debian.. it was frustration which makes me a bit angry and I did not read the comments here properly which I am sorry for.. :) however whoever suggested libdvdcss was right but - DO NOT INSTALL IT FROM deb-multimedia.org website - this will quietly break your codecs and system.. just note for those.. - thanks.
3008[13:18:11] <ByteStorm> oh
3009[13:18:20] <ByteStorm> idk if it does
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3011[13:18:46] <SynrG> unborn: yes. dmm is evil, which is fairly broadly disseminated #debian wisdom :)
3012[13:19:10] <SynrG> !libdvdcss
3013[13:19:10] <dpkg> libdvdcss is a free software library for unscrambling <CSS>-encrypted DVDs, not to be confused with <DeCSS>. It is not distributed by Debian due to legal concerns. To acquire, see replaced-url
3014[13:19:26] <SynrG> ^ that's the recipe that works for me
3015[13:19:51] <SynrG> !why not dmm
3016[13:19:51] <dpkg> The deb-multimedia.org repository was once the only way of getting good multimedia support. By the release of Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" this was mostly not true and for Debian 7 "Wheezy" this situation is even better. Libraries from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from Debian; packages may not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in Debian. Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning> and <dmm remove>.
3017[13:20:01] <unborn> SynrG: I just - when I woke up this morning and read debug msgs in terminal I did realised.. the question is why proper folks here even suggested the site.. anyway.. I did fix it with 3 commands and now everything works..
3018[13:20:27] <SynrG> unborn: because "proper folks" trust their faulty memories better than looking stuff up :p
3019[13:20:38] <unborn> :D true
3020[13:21:30] <unborn> SynrG: I started looking around and found those.. I know it comes from ubuntu devs but hey they works pretty well... replaced-url
3021[13:21:30] <SynrG> unborn: question #1 should be "is there an (obviously-named) factoid for this?" and #2 "then why not follow that?" :)
3022[13:21:41] * SynrG nods
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3024[13:22:35] <unborn> i even created my own git for those to mirror source code.. so even if vlc source fails me, I will still be able to compile it from source code.. but deb-mutlimedia.org is just damage.
3025[13:22:39] <SynrG> unborn: also note the dmm pinning factoid referenced above. *if* dmm was recommended and pinning not also recommended, then shame on them. :p
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3027[13:23:35] <SynrG> the library's own deps should bring in all that other stuff, and proper pinning should limit if not eliminate accidental damage upon upgrades
3028[13:23:50] <SynrG> should *not* bring in ... heavens
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3032[13:25:35] <unborn> SynrG: that is correct.. but, you know how stuff gets in.. what should I say - im glad to be able now convert those 300 dvds to mp4 and upload it on torrent ;)
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3043[13:30:11] <unborn> .. anyway folks after 4 hours of debugging.. just dont install anything from deb-multimedia.org.. its just not worth.. anyway that link from videolan website is what you actually installing by apt-get vlc..
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3061[13:36:20] <fredl> hi guys, anybody know by any chance how I can sniff from/to traffic to a NAT'ed host on the gateway?
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3065[13:36:51] <fredl> my gateway is a Vyatta which is a pretty damn old Debian box
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3067[13:37:20] <bezaban> fredl: try tcpdump
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3069[13:38:15] <fredl> I know, but I think I need specific options to see the forwarded traffic don't I?
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3071[13:38:50] <bezaban> you could have netfilter log it too
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3073[13:39:12] <fredl> So say we have host A (NAT) <-> B (gateway) <-> C (internet), I want to see traffic A <-> C, not A <-> B
3074[13:39:27] <bezaban> right
3075[13:39:38] <fredl> is that possible with tcpdump?
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3077[13:40:13] <bezaban> well, you'll see the traffic, it will just not have it's address rewritten (depending on what interface you're looking at)
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3079[13:40:46] <bezaban> but you basically want to abstract out nat?
3080[13:40:53] <fredl> Well I'd be looking most likely on (A)
3081[13:41:04] <fredl> s side of the gateway
3082[13:41:16] <fredl> Yup that's it
3083[13:41:38] <fredl> So say B has internal interface eth1 going to A
3084[13:41:46] <fredl> and sniff on eth1 of B
3085[13:42:00] <fredl> could do something like tcpdump -i eth1 host (A)
3086[13:42:14] <ByteStorm> SynrG, how do i view the actual groups in my system??
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3088[13:42:23] <bezaban> fredl: yeah, why would that not work?
3089[13:42:27] <bezaban> for your purpose
3090[13:42:56] <fredl> Well... I try pinging google.com on (A) while sniffing on that eth1 but I don't see ICMP packets at all
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3092[13:43:11] <bezaban> make sure you match both src and dst
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3094[13:43:38] <fredl> well with 'host (X)' I'm capturing all traffic from A on the gateway right?
3095[13:43:44] <fredl> ehr 'host (A)'
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3099[13:44:17] <bezaban> yeah
3100[13:44:22] <HeXiLeD> can anyone figure out why this root crontab does not work replaced-url
3101[13:44:28] <bezaban> fredl: you should see the icmp packets
3102[13:44:39] <fredl> that's what I thought :) But I don't
3103[13:44:45] <HeXiLeD> that is the first time i get root not respecting a cron job
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3106[13:44:57] <bezaban> fredl: try specifying -v icmp?
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3108[13:45:18] <fredl> even when I do tcpdump icmp and host (A) I don't see anything at all
3109[13:45:31] <fredl> so 'icmp and host (A)'
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3112[13:46:18] <fredl> I should add 'A' is on a VLAN trunk so I don't do eth1 but eth1.830 in the -i option
3113[13:46:28] <fredl> but don't think that's very relevant
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3115[13:46:57] <JyZyXEL> % cd /home/debian-deluged :(
3116[13:46:58] <JyZyXEL> cd:cd:6: permission denied: /home/debian-deluged
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3119[13:47:15] <JyZyXEL> how can this be possible when: drw-rw---- 4 debian-deluged debian-deluged 4.0K Dec 13 15:20 debian-deluged
3120[13:47:22] <JyZyXEL> and im in that group
3121[13:47:31] <fredl> bezaban, I think that may be because it's not traffic directed at eth1.830 itself but meant to be forwarded
3122[13:47:38] <bezaban> JyZyXEL: directories need x
3123[13:47:42] <fredl> long time ago I knew this I think, but I forgot :)
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3125[13:47:48] <JyZyXEL> doh!
3126[13:48:20] <bezaban> fredl: yeah, I get what you're saying and I'd expect that to work, as I'd assume the packets would be passed out that interface
3127[13:49:05] <fredl> I think if I remember correctly the iptables layer snuffs out the packets before they get to tcpdump
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3132[13:50:54] <bezaban> most of my gws have some sort of traffic sniffing built in, so I haven't had the need to
3133[13:51:07] <bezaban> sounds plausible
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3170[14:10:36] <SynrG> ByteStorm: they are in /etc/group
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3183[14:16:54] <Rand0m`> Hey, trying to load non-free firmware, but the debian installer always skips it, any idea how to progess?
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3188[14:18:05] <nkuttler> Rand0m`: paste.debian.net the command you use and the output
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3191[14:19:12] <SynrG> nkuttler: i imagine that during the installer (menu-based interactions), it's difficult to produce that output
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3196[14:19:33] <Rand0m`> im trying to install it with a USB_STICK, nkuttler
3197[14:19:35] <SynrG> Rand0m`: where did you put it?
3198[14:19:49] <SynrG> and what filename(s)?
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3202[14:20:19] <Rand0m`> in the folder "firmware" also tested it in the main folder, SynrG - the full firmware.zip
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3204[14:20:47] <SynrG> unzipped?
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3206[14:21:30] <Rand0m`> SynrG, yeah unzipped, i used firmware-testing-amd64-netinst.iso as ISO
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3212[14:22:53] <SynrG> replaced-url
3213[14:23:18] <SynrG> !firmware image
3214[14:23:18] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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3218[14:24:00] <Rand0m`> yes SynrG, also tried with the firmware ISO, but the debian-installer doenst seem to load the firmwares
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3225[14:24:57] <SynrG> Rand0m`: what firmware is being asked for?
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3227[14:25:30] <Rand0m`> rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw firmware-realtek mostly
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3230[14:26:14] <ByteStorm> SynrG, its downloading,atleast one
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3236[14:27:13] <teraflops> cd
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3246[14:32:01] <unborn> Rand0m`: hey you want to install this package - follow in bottom where it says all.. replaced-url
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3248[14:32:57] <unborn> Rand0m`: download package and open with gdebi.. install it as usual and then reboot your pc.. wifi should come as normal.. just connect to it and use it :)
3249[14:33:01] <SynrG> unborn: the question on the table is, why, when that file is provided in /firmware when the Debian installer runs, is the file not automatically loaded?
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3253[14:33:34] <Rand0m`> SynrG, yeah.. the debian-installer just skips all firmwares
3254[14:33:47] <SynrG> Rand0m`: which installer image?
3255[14:34:11] <Rand0m`> SynrG, i used firmware-testing-amd64-netinst.iso
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3257[14:34:13] <unborn> SynrG: if he installed correctly everything will work.. and it will be loaded correctly.. that is why debian is providing them in first place.. eh
3258[14:34:23] <unborn> - or I am being wrong???
3259[14:34:29] <SynrG> !testing installer
3260[14:34:30] <dpkg> Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. replaced-url
3261[14:34:48] <SynrG> Rand0m`: sorry, i had assumed you were asking about the stable installer.
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3263[14:35:30] <SynrG> unborn: you're not wrong in what you say, but it's not the answer to Rand0m`'s question
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3267[14:36:38] <unborn> SynrG: my apologies - i thought he need it hardware and drivers to be installed and used.. sorry if I miss-understood..
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3270[14:37:47] <SynrG> unborn: it's a reasonable assumption that they do need that. nevertheless, it's an interesting problem why the unofficial testing firmware installer skips the firmwares, if you like debugging installers :)
3271[14:38:28] <SynrG> Rand0m`: if your goal was to debug the testing installer, talk to #debian-boot @ irc.oftc.net about that. if your goal was to have the network supported at install time, presumably the stable installer supports your card? if not, try a netless install instead.
3272[14:39:18] <unborn> SynrG: you know me.. I hate debugs but they are awesome ;)
3273[14:39:22] <SynrG> Rand0m`: assuming the card is installed in stable, do the stable install as per the above factoid, then upgrade to testing
3274[14:39:34] <SynrG> s/is installed/is supported/
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3276[14:41:18] <Rand0m`> SynrG, hm, another problem i have, when im trying to boot the debian nonfree livecd, im just getting a blackscreen
3277[14:41:32] <SynrG> Rand0m`: stable?
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3279[14:42:17] <SynrG> could be you have to tinker with boot options to make that work, then. can't say exactly which ones ... #debian-live @ irc.oftc.net for support.
3280[14:42:28] <Rand0m`> SynrG, i used debian-live-8.6.0-amd64-xfce-desktop+nonfree.iso
3281[14:42:29] <Rand0m`> sure
3282[14:43:00] <SynrG> (support for non-free images is 'best effort' only; realize many of us prefer free and focus our energies there. and i say "us" loosely. i am now retired. :) )
3283[14:43:38] <SynrG> Rand0m`: it may be that the non-free video driver is crap for your card, so try to convince it at boot not to use it. as i say, not exactly certain how. :)
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3287[14:44:05] <yasir> hello
3288[14:44:11] <yasir> any body there
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3290[14:44:31] <SynrG> if you're looking for debian support, yes.
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3294[14:45:03] <yasir> sir i want to know about debian cli
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3297[14:45:17] <yasir> and i want know about hacking
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3299[14:45:29] <yasir> is anybody knows hacking
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3302[14:46:53] <SynrG> yasir: those aren't debian support questions. do you have a problem with debian you want to solve? if so, we can help. but for a general knowledge of how to use debian, consult the doc.
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3304[14:47:58] <SynrG> !hacking
3305[14:47:58] <dpkg> [hacking] a hacker doing his work. Playing with code or programs or technical devices and figuring things out to satisy curiousity, see <hacker>.... This is not cracking, see <cracking>
3306[14:48:03] <SynrG> !cracking
3307[14:48:03] <dpkg> hmm... cracking is the politically correct term for unlawfully accessing a computer system.
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3310[14:48:50] <SynrG> if your interest is in the latter, illegal activities are offtopic for Freenode in general, so don't ask.
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3316[14:52:13] <SynrG> !tell yasir about grounding
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3321[14:53:58] <yasir> hi
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3344[15:05:13] <unborn> SynrG: HACKING is great and good.. cracking is good but - we all know our legal boundaries :)
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3353[15:13:00] <kuldeep> is it recommended to keep debian/ directory in another branch instead of the upstream code? (currently i maintain the upstream code as well as debian/ directory). any tip?
3354[15:13:17] <kuldeep> (branch as in git branch)
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3363[15:15:08] <abrotman> kuldeep: many people keep it in the main tree
3364[15:15:23] <unborn> main tree..
3365[15:16:13] <babilen> kuldeep: You'd have debian on master and upstream in upstream (for packaging)
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3367[15:16:57] <babilen> It's perfectly fine to maintain debian/ in your master branch .. the Debian maintainer might then, however, decide to remove it and package it differently
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3379[15:23:06] <SynrG> unborn: if you make the distinction between hat colour, sure. but your average know-nothing kid making inquiries here ... gotta assume they don't have as nuanced an understanding :p
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3382[15:24:28] <unborn> SynrG: yes.. you are correct but - I was talking to the that average joe... anyway rest of your comment is right :)
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3518[16:25:27] <OS-25717> #offsec
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3521[16:25:58] <OS-25717> GUYS GUYS GUYSSS I THINK I JUST BROUGHT A BOX DOWN WITH TOO MANY SCANS?!?!?!?!
3522[16:26:04] <OS-25717> HALPPPPP HAHAHAH
3523[16:26:11] <OS-25717> 10.11.1.133
3524[16:26:18] <wodim> that's in your internal network
3525[16:26:22] <OS-25717> I HAVE NO MORE REVERSE *CRIESSSS*
3526[16:26:30] <wodim> anyway the feds are on their way
3527[16:26:40] <OS-25717> someone calll 9111111
3528[16:26:45] <OS-25717> HAHA
3529[16:26:55] <OS-25717> that was one intense nmap scan
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3531[16:28:42] <{sd}> what kind of device did you scan? a toaster?
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3573[16:42:08] <hotspot`> exit
3574[16:42:10] <hotspot`> damn
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3594[16:47:19] <Omilun> hello . i have a multimedia dvd . it has 2 file . autorun.exe and .inf . how can i run it?
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3611[16:53:38] <Omilun> don't have any idea to run ?
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3619[16:56:06] <kuldeep> abrotman babilen ok, i was actually thinking that in future, that the new maintainer might not prefer (if any such preference in general community idk) or cause problem to them. so, before commiting them, i want to be sure.
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3631[16:59:15] <foobardio> okay guys, noob question/problem: I have this complicated setup with a supermicro motherboard. It has 7 hard drives, but the motherboard only allows you to boot from 2 of the physical ports. I've noticed that this motherboard causes me issues with installing every linux distribution except for ubuntu, including mint. Is there any compelling reason why this might be the case? Note that I've installed linux / slackware
3632[16:59:22] <foobardio> before on many computers. I've tried many things, up to and including attempting to install lilo and grub manually on what appears to be the correct drives.
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3634[16:59:52] <abrotman> kuldeep: if they don't like how you've done it, they can do their own stuff. But you've done the base work, and they can submit patches to you, etc
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3648[17:07:44] <jhutchins> foobardio: You haven't told us how many drives you actually have or what "issues" are the problem. How do the other installers behave differently than ubuntu?
3649[17:08:10] <foobardio> 7 hard drives
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3651[17:08:22] <foobardio> the other installers appear to work fine but then grub doesnt work
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3654[17:09:16] <foobardio> when i boot the machine, yes i picked the right drive to install grub. I go to install it manually but it still doesn't work correctly.
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3681[17:19:23] <kuldeep> abrotman, ok, seems reasonable to submit patch.
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3684[17:19:46] <kuldeep> thanks abrotman babilen
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3691[17:22:59] <myier> hi, I've installed stretch last months and I see that there's a kernel update but in dist-upgrade, not regular upgrade, how can I know why it's a dist-upgrade or what it can break?
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3703[17:29:18] <SynrG> myier: first of all, if you're not regularly dist-upgrading anyway, you make it harder and harder for yourself when you finally do ...
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3705[17:29:32] <SynrG> and second, perhaps your question is better answered on #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net where we support testing/unstable
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3754[17:40:37] <myier> I just find the dist-upgrade requirement strange for this kind of update and I just want to be sure I'll not break anything
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3756[17:41:16] <SynrG> dist-upgrade is the norm when you're on testing.
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3758[17:41:28] <SynrG> it's how you keep your system from getting further and further behind
3759[17:41:42] <SynrG> transitions guarantee that you'll need dist-upgrade to ever upgrade it properly
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3761[17:41:56] <SynrG> this is covered in:
3762[17:41:58] <SynrG> !sid faq
3763[17:41:58] <dpkg> replaced-url
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3766[17:42:13] <SynrG> which is part of our introductory material (see channel topic on #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net)
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3769[17:42:41] <Keitaro> hi guys
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3837[18:09:12] <jhutchins> myier: You might want to read the man page for whichever tool you're using for upgrades. It explains the difference between dist-upgrade or full-upgrade and regular upgrade.
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3877[18:29:53] <myier> thank you
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3891[18:35:45] <Sabotender> okay i am going to try again, while there might be more people around
3892[18:35:58] <Sabotender> I tried installing debian on my system from the netinstall, standard and live versions, with both encrypted and unencrypted partitions/drives and the only two times I was successful, I get a blinking cursor before grub appears and nothing loads
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3898[18:36:46] <Sabotender> I am getting ready to wash my hands of the entire distro because of stupidness (it shouldn't be this difficult to install an operating system) and switch to ubuntu, but was hoping that someone here may have a few words of wisdom
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3901[18:37:39] <Sabotender> highlight me 4 attention. im not going to wait around staring at an idle channel for someone to respond
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3906[18:40:26] <teraflops> Sabotender: good bye
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3909[18:41:09] <Cattrick> :)
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3915[18:46:08] <Sabotender> great, well there's my answer. have a good day
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3927[18:51:36] <FaTony> hi, how can I make MATE calendar to start from monday instead of sunday?
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3932[18:52:18] <nkuttler> FaTony: if you can't configure it directly, it might depend on the locale?
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3934[18:52:27] <nkuttler> FaTony: which one do you use anyway?
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3938[18:53:19] <FaTony> nkuttler, I've added LC_TIME="en_GB.UTF-8" to etc/default/locale but it didn't change anything
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3941[18:53:53] <nkuttler> FaTony: if you only edit that file you probably want to reboot
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3943[18:54:05] <nkuttler> but you should probably use update-locale
3944[18:54:06] <FaTony> nkuttler, already did it
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3947[18:54:28] <nkuttler> FaTony: what's the output of locale ?
3948[18:55:08] <nkuttler> but i don't know which is the first weekday for that locale anyway
3949[18:55:15] <FaTony> nkuttler, ah, I don't have en_GB installed, how can I add it?
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3951[18:55:33] <nkuttler> FaTony: dpkg-reconfigure locales
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3954[18:57:03] <FaTony> nkuttler, thanks, gonna reboot
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3987[19:12:07] <unborn> lol
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3989[19:12:44] <unborn> sabotender makes my day very smile :)
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3998[19:16:54] <unborn> teraflops: hello matey. can you or other admins please remove any traces of libdvdcss and deb-multimedia.org from robots? those pages will quietly break your system and codecs if you follow it.. - thanks for others who dont know.
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4002[19:18:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1687
4003[19:18:01] <unborn> also I do apologise for my impatiens from last night.. it was unnecessary crap from me.
4004[19:18:10] <teraflops> unborn: hi mate, you mean form the debian wiki?
4005[19:18:34] <unborn> - uh is that rubbish even mentioned there? - then yes please
4006[19:18:37] <teraflops> from*
4007[19:19:26] <teraflops> unborn: uhm I'm not admin of anything on debian
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4009[19:20:02] <teraflops> I have a wiki account though if that's what you meant
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4011[19:20:53] <unborn> teraflops: sure.. however you can change bots here.. anyway here is some conclusion about.. repos are not important and user can do its own downloads from videolan however wikis say truth.. replaced-url
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4017[19:23:23] <unborn> !libdvdcss
4018[19:23:23] <dpkg> libdvdcss is a free software library for unscrambling <CSS>-encrypted DVDs, not to be confused with <DeCSS>. It is not distributed by Debian due to legal concerns. To acquire, see replaced-url
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4020[19:24:06] <unborn> oh teraflops im taking that back. - its already there..my bad.. im sorry
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4022[19:25:19] <teraflops> unborn: ah, well you can edit factoids too, unless they are blocked
4023[19:25:41] <teraflops> you just need to register with the bot
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4027[19:26:56] <unborn> teraflops: already done so.. kept my system on without issues but same as me (last night) I - mean user can get wrong impression to install frankenstien shit - if you understand what I mean..
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4031[19:27:34] <unborn> teraflops: if that is not an issue or its fine, I would love to contribute.. can you pm me the process please?
4032[19:27:39] <unborn> many thanks.
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4036[19:29:03] <jelly> the factoids already advise against dmo usage, but deleting mentions of it sounds counterproductive
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4042[19:30:29] <jhutchins> Especially since judd includes it.
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4045[19:31:26] <unborn> jelly - sorry you was the one who told me to search and install libdvdcss however - not via bot.. the link was presented by you or someone else as solution for production line system which made me to spend 4 hours to debug the rubbish I was advised here... (sorry not meant to be rude or anything else) just want to keep this info clear
4046[19:31:34] <unborn> - in future
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4052[19:32:41] <unborn> end of the day everything is working and that is why I wrote my own wikis.. however user should be well warn in advance
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4056[19:33:10] <jelly> unborn, you were also told to read carefully, and pointed to relevant info several times. It's not the info that's at fault, it's your reading comprehension
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4060[19:34:27] <unborn> jelly sure.. understood however - well known individuals in this chan should... - you know what, you right.. I was just asking to correct that info.
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4064[19:35:42] <unborn> at least I reported here... i do not need to edit anything if that is an problem.. I just found that, sometimes is better to not listen.. bad from me but, you know....
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4068[19:36:54] <unborn> ..just correct the information guys - that is all :)
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4082[19:42:06] <unborn> at least my wiki will tell user how to recover.. :) (please dont ban me, I just did told you what is possibly wrong)
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4084[19:42:34] <unborn> - test - im banned/muted right? ah :(
4085[19:43:01] <teraflops> unborn: well it looks like a God idea asking ops for editing factoids
4086[19:43:23] <teraflops> good
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4090[19:43:59] <jelly> correct what specifically?
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4093[19:44:13] <unborn> teraflops: thanks.. I hope so some of them will found it useful. and I am so sorry about my frustrating comments in last night.. - i was an idiot.. that is all..
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4095[19:44:44] <jelly> > remove any traces of libdvdcss and deb-multimedia.org # this is not "correct", this is "delete", and I think it's not a good idea
4096[19:44:59] <Quatroking> quick question
4097[19:45:15] <Quatroking> how the hell is my x-replaced-url
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4099[19:45:29] <unborn> i assume im muted for 24 hours or so.. im sorry about being annoying but this crap should be corrected.. asap.. i wont do any chat in 24 hours - I promise..
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4101[19:45:41] <jelly> Quatroking, 100% is a single core
4102[19:45:48] <Quatroking> right
4103[19:45:52] <unborn> if anyone can read this.. good if not well done :D
4104[19:45:56] <Quatroking> but uh
4105[19:46:05] <Quatroking> this vm has two cores assigned
4106[19:46:57] <nkuttler> Quatroking: just kill it? software has bugs..
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4108[19:47:35] <jelly> Quatroking, do you see it persist in eating >200% or was it just one sample
4109[19:47:50] <Quatroking> one sample
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4113[19:48:12] <jelly> eh, there's lots of reasons that can happen
4114[19:48:33] <kayhayen> does MATE in Debian have no real preferred login manager?
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4116[19:49:01] <kayhayen> I am using lightdm, but it feels so out of place... and mwm oder what it is, seems unpacked
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4118[19:49:10] <jelly> Quatroking, your tool being buggy, variations in virtualized clock, gremlins...
4119[19:49:10] <kayhayen> (using testing here)
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4124[19:50:29] <jelly> Quatroking, with top, vmstat and similar tools the very first sample is often wrong
4125[19:50:45] <Quatroking> might be a different vm trying to take all cpu
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4132[19:52:56] <unborn> ....so was the info corrected at least in bots? or what is the solution to this miss info?
4133[19:53:18] <unborn> jelly ^^^
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4144[19:55:21] <nkuttler> unborn: what did you do anyway that broke your system, and how was it broken?
4145[19:55:41] <jelly> unborn, WHICH SPECIFIC INFO!?
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4147[19:56:02] <jelly> point out the factoid that you think ought to be fixed
4148[19:56:51] <Keitaro> hello
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4152[19:57:23] <Keitaro> when i install debian did i need to select desktop debian environnement ?
4153[19:57:33] * nkuttler just installed libdvdcss2 and nothing broke
4154[19:57:37] <teraflops> xD
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4156[19:57:46] <jelly> Keitaro, you can do that afterwards, no problem if you unselected everything
4157[19:57:47] <Keitaro> because there is many desktop manager and also debian environnement
4158[19:57:54] <Keitaro> oki
4159[19:58:06] <Keitaro> because it is for my mail server
4160[19:58:07] <unborn> nkuttler: installed package from repos which made my system broken.. advised wrongly by well know users.. I do not keep logs of convos specially of not public room like this one but the ' quick fix was install this and that from here and there' which made my system - fuck up shortly saying.. I debug the issues and found out the point of advice was bad.. just asked to correct the information - thats all.
4161[19:58:11] <Keitaro> so i want it light
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4163[19:58:14] <nkuttler> unborn: which package
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4165[19:58:29] <jelly> Keitaro, that's fine, you don't need any DE on a mail server
4166[19:58:32] <unborn> can you follow the convo nkuttler ?
4167[19:58:45] <nkuttler> unborn: yes, you don't know what you're talking about
4168[19:58:46] <Keitaro> oki
4169[19:58:51] <unborn> jelly: I already mention it..
4170[19:58:54] <Keitaro> thx je
4171[19:58:59] <Keitaro> thx jelly
4172[19:59:12] <unborn> oh okay guys.. I give up.. its all okay
4173[19:59:17] <jelly> unborn, then I missed it, so pretty please repeat?
4174[19:59:39] <Keitaro> jelly, when it said during the install web server it is only for apache right ?
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4178[20:00:04] <jelly> Keitaro, I think you get apache when you select that task yes
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4180[20:00:12] <nkuttler> Keitaro: apt-cache show task-web-server
4181[20:00:14] <os_> hi all
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4183[20:00:25] <Keitaro> oki
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4186[20:01:01] <os_> it look like Gnome Shell here takes lots of memory, can i reduce its usage?
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4188[20:01:22] <unborn> !judd libdvdcss
4189[20:01:22] <dpkg> unborn, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's)
4190[20:01:46] <nkuttler> !libdvdcss
4191[20:01:46] <dpkg> libdvdcss is a free software library for unscrambling <CSS>-encrypted DVDs, not to be confused with <DeCSS>. It is not distributed by Debian due to legal concerns. To acquire, see replaced-url
4192[20:01:47] <unborn> !judd libdvdcss2
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4194[20:02:00] <nkuttler> unborn: what's wrong with that?
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4196[20:02:31] <nkuttler> os_: you can use something like xfce4 instead?
4197[20:02:35] <unborn> thanks guys :)
4198[20:03:28] <jelly> judd, versions libdvdcss2
4199[20:03:29] <judd> Package: libdvdcss2 on amd64 -- wheezy-multimedia: 1.2.13-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1.3.0-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1.4.0-dmo1
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4201[20:03:54] <jelly> unborn, that just shows repo contents
4202[20:03:58] <nkuttler> unborn: did you install the package from debian-multimedia?
4203[20:04:14] <nkuttler> unborn: or from videolan.org?
4204[20:04:16] <os_> nkuttler, yea i can, but i am wondering if i can still use it
4205[20:04:18] <jelly> whether you ought to USE said repo contents is a different thing
4206[20:04:32] <nkuttler> os_: no idea, i'm a happy openbox user
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4209[20:05:10] <unborn> nkuttler: if you would follow the convo you would well know debian-multimedia is dead for couple of years.. I was about deb-multimedia.org.. its been corrected @ jelly - thank you.
4210[20:05:15] <os_> nkuttler, i like openbox so much, and every window manager
4211[20:05:58] <os_> it's pretty cool, but like some compositing
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4214[20:06:41] <jelly> unborn, it's not dead. It's just not recommended and there are known issues with it, but it still contains some packages found nowhere else
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4222[20:08:07] <os_> ok ok
4223[20:08:15] <os_> thanks guys
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4225[20:08:54] <unborn> jelly well to my know-how (and generally speaking for advanced user yay and the end user of debian os) - those are just mess.. that used to be good but not any more. anyway the thing is, users are warned against it and I hope that will do the job :)
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4229[20:09:25] <unborn> - it should be avoided.
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4235[20:13:23] <unborn> jelly: perhaps I am wrong but it is recommended by debian wiki pages - saying nothing about breaking your system quietly.. that should be noted at least... somewhere........
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4239[20:14:57] <jelly> unborn, which wiki page URL?
4240[20:15:23] <unborn> jelly: sure.. there you have it replaced-url
4241[20:15:27] <jelly> I guess it's one of 2000 outdated pages on wiki.d.o
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4244[20:15:55] <unborn> jelly i know but please.. normal user is the first person to get there..
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4246[20:16:37] <unborn> deb-mutimedia.org should be removed....also info about how to correct the mistake should be added...
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4249[20:18:27] <unborn> this means bad experience from debian as I used those to be able to play my dvds.. or convert them and share them on torrent..
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4251[20:19:23] <unborn> - just wanted to be a bit annoying biatch about that coz there is correct way to do this.. so every one should be able to do it ;)
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4274[20:25:54] <kayhayen> ouch, i ran update-grub, now my system doesn't find root anymore
4275[20:26:27] <nkuttler> kayhayen: what do you mean, doesn't find root?
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4277[20:26:36] <kayhayen> however, when I run blkid in the rescue shell that shows up after time out, the disk is missing entirely, only the second disk is there
4278[20:26:54] <teraflops> kayhayen: was your /boot partition unmounted when you issued update-grub?
4279[20:27:00] <kayhayen> however, it's visible in BIOS and to Windows part manager, but not after grub-efi anymore
4280[20:27:07] <unborn> teraflops: matey thanks for bringing this issue closer to ops or other ops out here..hopefully things will get changed ;)
4281[20:27:10] <kayhayen> i don't think i have a /booz
4282[20:27:12] <kayhayen> i don't think i have a /boot
4283[20:27:34] <kayhayen> it found my two kernels (this is testing) 4.7 and 4.8, and both have the issue
4284[20:27:57] <unborn> booz and boot what a difference :D
4285[20:28:01] <kayhayen> i only meant to get rid of the installer being listed as a boot option
4286[20:28:08] <kayhayen> hehe
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4289[20:28:14] <greycat> blah blah blah testing blah blah blah
4290[20:28:25] <unborn> kayamm: can you run 4.8?
4291[20:28:25] <teraflops> unborn: np just… well you put a lot of effort in things that may not need such waste of energy (imho)
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4293[20:28:28] <kayhayen> the other thing I did, was systemctl hibernate
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4296[20:29:03] <kayhayen> after that, it returned no more... not sure, what is the issue here, but I am sure "blkid" should list both disks, if my initrd is any good, right?
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4298[20:29:28] <unborn> teraflops: well.. I know.. I always do.. end of the day its end user who moans - you know.. and suddenly I found my self in position of end user so... meh
4299[20:29:35] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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4302[20:30:05] <unborn> teraflops: but as you can see.. im well behind those issues ;)
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4306[20:30:41] <kayhayen> any ideas, how to debug that kind of situation, or even how to repair it? I am honestly sure, I didn't do anything else than hibernate (which normally fails, I meant to see if fresh install has improved this), and update-grub....
4307[20:30:55] <kayhayen> would update-grub limit the disks to look for somehow
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4311[20:32:04] <unborn> what is your disk and ram on current sytem kayhayen also what is your swap size..?
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4313[20:32:52] <kayhayen> the disk not working is a SSD and has the Debian install, the spinning disk has the Windows, it's 16GB RAM, swap is 16GB too I think
4314[20:33:18] <kayhayen> actually i am not as much worried about hibernation not working, I can't boot that thing anymore...
4315[20:33:25] <unborn> the disk is not working.. what do you mean by that kayhayen ?
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4317[20:33:30] <kayhayen> And I don't even have a clue how to happen
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4319[20:33:53] <Capprentice> How fully anonymous proxy service providers implementing the proxy? I mean with what, SQUID? Squid SSL is recently implemented and still does not support full transparency at SSL and I've been using SSL proxies for ages. How or WHAT "they used" implement the "SSL" proxy?
4320[20:33:57] <kayhayen> It's invisble, there is only a /dev/sda with the windows partitions visible inside the initrd prompt
4321[20:34:14] <unborn> well hybernation have something to do with disk.. kayhayen ....
4322[20:34:24] <kayhayen> this is normally to the kernels the sdb, the sda (Debian) is miossing
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4324[20:34:39] <greycat> How would we know what some "provider" is using? Go ask that provider.
4325[20:34:41] <kayhayen> yes indeed, it might have done something to the UEFI ?
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4330[20:35:15] <kayhayen> I never did hibernation with a UEFI install so far, would it change something there, so it resumes... I hear windows might do that kind of thing
4331[20:36:15] <kayhayen> Otherwise, I made a deep power off, several resets, tried older kernel version (although I was sure it was running the new one already).
4332[20:36:20] <unborn> kayhayen: im not sure I am the right person to talk to.. I can make your debian working but - without windows.. which makes me bad :) sorry about it.. anyway you would not be able to see linux partition from windows coz windows is just plain and simple stupid..
4333[20:36:25] <kayhayen> Both disks are SATA
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4335[20:36:47] <unborn> end of the day.. use linux.. windows is just - not enough
4336[20:37:18] <kayhayen> Well, they have a partition tool, which shows the SSD is healthy, so I am 100% sure this is not a hardware defect
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4338[20:37:42] <unborn> they have.. lol exactly
4339[20:37:44] <kayhayen> I mean, I am not using it, but you see, the initrd didn't get at partition table... so...
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4342[20:38:17] <kayhayen> So, what other option than re-installing Debian is there right now
4343[20:38:17] <unborn> kayhayen: ...sorry I wont troubleshoot windows issues..
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4346[20:38:56] <kayhayen> who says I have a Windows issue, when I say that my Debian UEFI boot doesn't find the disk it's installed on after a systemctl hibernate
4347[20:39:13] <greycat> blah blah testing blah blah windows blah blah
4348[20:39:17] <unborn> reinstall debian in proper way? there is info on wiki how to do that...
4349[20:39:17] <kayhayen> Don't bully me into not providing information. It's OK to not help me if I mention a word you don'T like.
4350[20:39:28] <greycat> Testing is NOT supported in this channel.
4351[20:39:29] <teraflops> hehehe
4352[20:39:51] <kayhayen> I was just making sure that the SSD still exists people... that is ALSO an option if it's not found.
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4354[20:40:26] <Capprentice> greycat: What do you know?
4355[20:40:28] <unborn> kayhayen: no one is bullying you... sorry for that - you should seek advice somewhere else
4356[20:40:30] <kayhayen> I don't think this has anything to do with that though. It must be something about UEFI.
4357[20:40:38] <greycat> *plonk*
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4359[20:40:53] <greycat> I know how to /ignore.
4360[20:40:53] <Capprentice> WTF is that?
4361[20:41:02] <Capprentice> Ah! Thank you.
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4363[20:41:24] <unborn> greycat: thats true :) lets make our day nicer :)
4364[20:41:44] <kayhayen> Umpf... so if anybody has an idea what other options I would have, to check is out, help me out.
4365[20:41:56] <Capprentice> kayhayen: What is the issue?
4366[20:41:58] <greycat> Ask #debian-next and/or #debian-boot on the OFTC network.
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4368[20:42:22] <kayhayen> Capprentice: After doing 2 things, update-grub and systemctl hibernate, the system won't find the root disk anymore.
4369[20:42:46] <unborn> Capprentice: debian is the issue of course.. why?
4370[20:42:55] <kayhayen> Capprentice: I made sure it's not broken, but still visible in BIOS and e.g. Windows... but "blkid" won't list the disk that Debian lives on in the boot.
4371[20:43:12] <kayhayen> I fall to a rescue prompt when not finding root disk.
4372[20:43:21] <unborn> I mean user...not os...
4373[20:43:42] <kayhayen> So... why would be kernel not find that disk anymore. I am at loss. I tried previous kernel.
4374[20:44:18] <kayhayen> I tried deep power off... I am really confused. I am pretty sure I can install Debian on top of that Debian install, but obviously I would hate to.
4375[20:44:34] <Capprentice> unborn: replaced-url
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4377[20:44:55] <kayhayen> Also it's a testing version, but I am pretty sure, that can't be it.... it's a lack of knowledge on my side. Does grub have to help the kernel with finding what disks are there
4378[20:45:17] <unborn> Capprentice: i do not use sourceforce.net as trusted so I am sorry but i wont click on that link....
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4380[20:45:35] <unborn> (same as many of us dont)....
4381[20:45:51] <ElDiabolo> Hi. I have a crashed apt-get dist-upgrade that I can't get going again by using -f. Any hints on what else I can do?
4382[20:45:53] <random_numbers> I've been reading a bit on configuration mangement and there's quite a few programs like ansible that offer a hard-capped open-source version. I'm wondering, couldn't one simply patch them to remove the cap? I can't imagine those businesses spent significant resources to prevent such a thing...
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4384[20:46:24] <jelly> kayhayen, boot a different linux, pastebin the output of "lsblk" and "blkid"
4385[20:46:25] <Capprentice> unborn: Well many of the open source projects are hosted there. I dnt see why I cant trust them as long as I can find a HASH match.
4386[20:46:37] <jelly> and yes, asking in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net would be a good idea
4387[20:47:00] <Capprentice> keyhayen, try the boot repair disk. replaced-url
4388[20:47:07] <kayhayen> jelly: i didn't try lsblk, will do... as far as different linux goes, the debian installer will do
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4392[20:47:51] <unborn> Capprentice: did you ever hear about git? or github even? that is how many open sourced stuff are out.. sourceforge.net done something with packages.. put malware into packages back in a time meh.. just google it..
4393[20:48:00] <kayhayen> i will be back
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4396[20:49:18] <random_numbers> I wouldn't use sourceforge stuff with priviledged access unless the program had a trustworthy signature or I've read through its source.
4397[20:49:19] <unborn> specially for windows packages which we are out but still.. the matter of the fact they did it.. makes them un-trusted
4398[20:49:47] <unborn> there you go Capprentice ^^^^
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4402[20:51:05] <unborn> I would avoid sourceforce.net at any costs..
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4406[20:52:49] <Pavr> at any cost? really? what a terrible advice. he's even checking hashes.
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4409[20:53:02] <nkuttler> unborn: sourceforge has a new owner since the bundled software crap. no need to spread fud
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4412[20:54:41] <unborn> nkuttler: ist not fud and I am not spreading it... its matter of the fact.. if you publish your source somewhere for public and you do temper those packages - you should be not trusted at all.. that is why git give you those infos.. and that is why they dont use it..
4413[20:55:11] <unborn> nkuttler: please be at least reasonable before you say I do fud...
4414[20:55:19] <nkuttler> sourceforge hasn't done that in years
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4416[20:56:07] <Capprentice> A conscious person can pull gold out of shit tank.
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4418[20:56:33] <Pavr> unborn, would you stay clear of oracle's java too?
4419[20:56:47] <Capprentice> And this is not a SourceForges channel.
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4421[20:57:59] <unborn> Pavr: as I am free - yes. my debian is free too.. however - my clients are not.. so - it will well depend from who I am working with.. anyway those packages will tell you what you about to do etc.. so - yes and no :)
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4425[20:59:11] <unborn> Capprentice: no need to pull gold, we all share.. git is clean and trusted in my end.. its just - we can be reasonable all :)
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4427[20:59:21] <nkuttler> Pavr: generally speaking, on debian it's not recommended to install from external sources. that would include oracle packages
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4429[20:59:53] <nkuttler> trusting code simply because it's a specific revision control sounds.. naive?
4430[21:00:00] <kayhayen> so, I am back to my Debian... anybody care to know what the semi-shameful story is, how I did cause it myself?
4431[21:00:25] <nkuttler> kayhayen: try #debian-offtopic
4432[21:00:50] <unborn> Pavr: you can always install virtual machine in virtualbox and make it working like normal.. you dont need to make any noise to your normal machine.. so - generally speaking for my self - no
4433[21:01:00] <kayhayen> I manage my systems with ansible... at some point, I had issues with the system not booting reliable. This was because the DVD was hanging
4434[21:01:16] <kayhayen> I resorted to disabling it on the kernel command line....
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4438[21:01:41] <kayhayen> After my UEFI re-installs... or with newer kernels, I don't know
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4440[21:01:50] <Pavr> nkuttler, was refering to the bundled things in their windows installer aswell. which seems to be the same thing that sourceforge was doing.
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4442[21:02:15] <kayhayen> but libata.force=1:00:disable was disabling my disks.... and seems that ansible change came into effect only very recently
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4444[21:02:29] <unborn> nkuttler: that is where you get it all wrong.. with revision control you would not I repeat you would not be able to alter code.. even if in cloud be it git server or whats of ever..
4445[21:03:06] <unborn> however sourceforge.net did it... I did used them but not any more..
4446[21:03:09] <kayhayen> Although now I am a bit confused, why SATA port 1 physically changed... or maybe the numbering did... so yeah. I booted again and read kernel messages about "unsupported device" for SATA 1. And hey, that is now my SSD it seems.
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4449[21:04:05] <jelly> kayhayen, this is why stuff defaults to using UUIDs these days (including grub, I think)
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4452[21:04:32] <unborn> Pavr: sorry I deal with windows machines as ordinary ict.. install, troubleshoot, domain etc.. for that virtualbox is fine.
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4455[21:04:54] <kayhayen> jelly: yeah heck... but for ignoring devices that would be pretty tough to use
4456[21:04:57] <jelly> ordering can change depending on... lots of stuff, kernel build-time and boot options among them
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4459[21:05:11] <kayhayen> jelly: i mean, how to determine the UUID of something you are NOT going to use :)
4460[21:05:45] <kayhayen> jelly: anyway, sorry for wasting your time. I will try and make good by hanging around and helping a few myself occasionally.
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4462[21:06:12] <jelly> eh, the important thing's you fixed it
4463[21:06:17] <jelly> !win kayhayen
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4465[21:06:22] <dpkg> Congratulations, kayhayen! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island!
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4468[21:06:33] <kayhayen> wohoo :)
4469[21:07:16] <teraflops> kayhayen: use UUIDs next time if your issue was having /dev/sdX in fstab
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4472[21:08:03] <kayhayen> teraflops: nah, the issue was that the system would hang indefinitely trying to find something on the empty DVD drive... happened 1 in 10 boots, but made things unreliable
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4474[21:08:22] <teraflops> ah
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4476[21:08:45] <kayhayen> teraflops: but it probably was on an older kernel, and even if, i could adjust it, and obviously now I would better understand that I have a gun pointing at my feet there
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4481[21:09:28] <kayhayen> the real solution would have been to physically unplug it, but for the rare use, that would be cumbersome.
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4486[21:10:16] <kayhayen> the good news is that it even resumed from hibernation... so maybe this hardware can resume better when the UEFI BIOS mode is used too.
4487[21:10:44] <ElDiabolo> How do I increase the time aptitude uses to try finding a solution?
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4489[21:11:01] <kayhayen> you mean decrease ElDiabolo?
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4493[21:12:38] <ElDiabolo> kayhayen, No, mine says "No solution found within the allotted time. Try harder?" ater a few seconds.
4494[21:13:08] <kayhayen> ElDiabolo: oh, i see
4495[21:13:41] <ElDiabolo> kayhayen, I want it to run for say 10 minutes instead.
4496[21:14:16] <kayhayen> i am searching :)
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4502[21:16:56] <buu> Guys, am I going insane or did 'apt-get uninstall' use to work?
4503[21:17:25] <Pavr> ElDiabolo, isn't it asking you with a [Y/n] prompt? in that case can't you just press Y or enter to continue the search ?
4504[21:17:41] <kayhayen> ElDiabolo: should be here replaced-url
4505[21:17:42] <greycat> buu: apt-get remove
4506[21:17:46] <buu> greycat: I know
4507[21:17:48] <greycat> (or purge, if you want that)
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4509[21:17:58] <buu> But that wasn't the question!
4510[21:18:18] <ElDiabolo> Pavr, Actually I am not willing to press it for ten minutes every few seconds.
4511[21:18:19] <Pavr> buu i have never seen uninstall
4512[21:18:24] <kayhayen> Aptitude::ProblemResolver::StepLimit might be it ElDiabolo
4513[21:18:25] <buu> hm
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4515[21:18:35] <ElDiabolo> kayhayen, Thx :)
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4517[21:18:51] <kayhayen> but if ElDiabolo 5000 steps wouldn't be sufficient, why would 10000 ?
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4519[21:19:29] <kayhayen> ah, seems a step is not quite 1 score always
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4521[21:19:51] <ElDiabolo> kayamm, I rather want to try much more. There is always hope :-/
4522[21:19:59] <n4dir> well: buu what was the question then ...
4523[21:20:03] <buu> REBELLIONS ARE BUILT ON HOPE
4524[21:20:17] <buu> n4dir: Why do I think there's an apt command called 'uninstall'
4525[21:20:32] <n4dir> too much LSD ?
4526[21:20:42] <kayhayen> ElDiabolo: yeah, i think the default is about avoiding using too much memory. Depending on your machine, that's no longer necessary.
4527[21:20:59] <n4dir> or cause some package manager have such or similar arguments ...
4528[21:21:08] <buu> "To remove a package just type
4529[21:21:08] <buu> "sudo apt-get uninstall package-name"
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4532[21:21:34] <buu> It totally existed once
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4534[21:21:38] <n4dir> or an alias ...
4535[21:21:48] <kayhayen> buu: it doesn't now
4536[21:22:03] <buu> I noticed
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4538[21:22:10] <n4dir> ah, well, i guess alias would not be possible
4539[21:22:27] <buu> Why was the alias removed?
4540[21:22:29] <Pavr> been using debian for 8+ ears and have never seen uninstall as a command for apt.
4541[21:22:31] <kayhayen> afk
4542[21:22:32] <Pavr> years*
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4545[21:23:06] <ElDiabolo> kayhayen, I like the default, it is an improvement compared to running eternally.
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4547[21:23:37] <buu> Pavr: I've been using debian for .. many years and I'm pretty sure I've been using `uninstall` this entire time
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4549[21:23:42] <n4dir> Pavr: round the same time here. Also can't remember it. And man doesn't know it too (i have heard those man thing is reliable)
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4552[21:24:40] <jamesl> I always used purge
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4554[21:24:48] <jamesl> prevents old config files hanging around
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4557[21:25:14] <jamesl> didn't know uninstall exists
4558[21:25:27] <Pavr> that is because it doesn't
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4563[21:27:51] <jelly> buu, apt-get never had an "uninstall" command
4564[21:28:29] <jelly> even dselect had (and still has) "[R]emove"
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4566[21:29:32] <greycat> buu: so the answer is "Yes, you are going insane".
4567[21:30:09] <buu> Welp.
4568[21:30:10] * jelly is old and had been using debian before this newfangled thing called apt came to life
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4570[21:30:49] <Pavr> how long has "apt" been there? just discovered it today :|
4571[21:31:12] <Pavr> and purge as a command didn't used to be a command but only a parameter to remove
4572[21:31:13] <jelly> 1998-ish?
4573[21:31:16] <greycat> The command "apt" is new in jessie.
4574[21:31:51] <buu> To be fair, other people think uninstall works
4575[21:32:07] <jelly> no, they do not, quit while you're a head
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4577[21:32:51] <buu> !
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4580[21:34:13] <buu> replaced-url
4581[21:34:14] <buu> sudo apt-get uninstall python-pymor
4582[21:34:41] <jelly> did you just google "apt-get uninstall" for that
4583[21:34:55] <buu> YES
4584[21:35:02] <jelly> !slap buu
4585[21:35:03] * dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across buu's face
4586[21:35:11] <greycat> The fact that other people are also going insane does not mean you are not.
4587[21:35:11] <buu> IT EXISTED
4588[21:35:24] <buu> greycat: insanity is defined by uniqueness
4589[21:35:31] <buu> replaced-url
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4591[21:36:13] <buu> Seriously my fingers automatically type uninstall
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4593[21:36:19] <jelly> in any case, this is not a tech issue in debian, so move it to #debian-offtopic if you care, buu, otherwise, drop it pretty please
4594[21:36:33] <buu> Wait, there's an offtopic channel now?
4595[21:36:59] <greycat> For some years.
4596[21:37:03] <Pavr> are you going to arque it's existance aswell?
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4620[21:50:58] <mountypy> hi, where can i find information on debian installer and how to install it? i could not find the package it is contained in, only a launcher but it presents an error saying that kexec is an invalid plugin.
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4622[21:51:33] <greycat> If you're trying to modify, dismantle, or have sex with, the debian install, then the best place to ask is #debian-boot on OFTC.
4623[21:51:34] <mountypy> my goal is to install the installer on a custom livecd im doing
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4627[21:52:45] <mountypy> thanks
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4631[21:53:39] <bolt> I want to install Debian on the Netgate SG-1000, which has an ARM Cortex A8. I see that the replaced-url
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4633[21:54:17] <n4dir> mountypy: i sure can find the package "debian-installer"
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4635[21:54:48] <mountypy> n4dir: read the description
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4637[21:55:12] <mountypy> i checked the contents, but it does not tell much on installation
4638[21:55:30] <mountypy> unless i missed the relevant file
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4641[21:56:07] <n4dir> could swear that was the package you had to install, but i seem to have been wrong. my fault
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4644[21:57:56] <mountypy> replaced-url
4645[21:58:06] <n4dir> might have been the argument for the live-build, to create live images.
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4647[21:58:43] <n4dir> so if you use live-build, that might be an option
4648[21:59:06] <mountypy> any keyword in mind?
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4652[21:59:38] <n4dir> for the option?
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4654[21:59:51] <mountypy> yes, i want to google about it
4655[22:00:18] <unborn> bolt: you sould be fine to trust debian about arm.. even if it will give you so many options.. you just do install and follow your own path..
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4658[22:01:13] <n4dir> at forums debian net there have been many threads and how-tos about debian-live in the long gone past.
4659[22:01:14] <unborn> bolt: generally speaking.. it was working for me on every single arm I installed.. been 278times there right now..
4660[22:01:28] <n4dir> at debianuserforums there is a how-to by fsmithred
4661[22:01:43] <n4dir> my search term was "debian live CD add debian-installer" (or such)
4662[22:01:45] <greycat> There's also a #debian-live channel on OFTC. According to the bot, anyway.
4663[22:02:35] <mountypy> thank you n4dir
4664[22:02:38] <n4dir> might even be that option was removed (its really a bit ago). So your best bet is probably to follow the advise to ask at #debian-live
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4666[22:04:14] <mountypy> they would be quite offended at the fact i am not using their images.
4667[22:04:34] <n4dir> yup, tough guys.
4668[22:04:36] <mountypy> the reason is that it lacks grub-pc, last i checked, but that is off-topic
4669[22:04:39] <unborn> mountypy: what you on about?
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4676[22:05:26] <n4dir> mountypy: you could ask in the refracta or antix forum. They sure got experience with such and might point you in the right direction
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4678[22:05:46] <unborn> ah... well very well champ.. and to tell you - no one would or should be offended :) mountypy
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4685[22:08:19] <unborn> n4dir: sorry man.. no one should ask forward as this is chat.. be it irc or whatever... please do not suggest users forums.. its hard to get in here to deal with frustrating issues out there in debian nor to forward them somewhere no help is provided..
4686[22:08:51] <unborn> unless - forums provide the solutions.. otherwise is just crap.
4687[22:09:03] <awal1> Why I get a black chromium window if "3d acceleration " is enabled in virtualbox for my debian guest? Disabling "hardware acceleration" in chromium solves the problem. Any idea?
4688[22:10:00] <n4dir> looks again like unborn has no clue what the hell he is talking about.
4689[22:10:02] <unborn> awal1: im sorry but I do not use chromium due to various issues.. save your self time and use something aka google chrome or ff
4690[22:11:05] <awal1> well, only once I was able to access chromium settings for disable hardware acceleration, by chance chromium window was once half accessible
4691[22:11:21] <unborn> n4dir: you right.. i wont have a clue.. 7 lines for me means - problem.. as I said..
4692[22:11:32] <awal1> unborn: my main web brworser if ff right; I have chromium just if any :P
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4694[22:12:38] <unborn> awal1: same here :) im devops too.. well - any chance to read logs for your app.. chromium .. or just install chrome?... just curious
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4697[22:13:27] <awal1> unborn: nothing relevant in chromium logs; checked that yet
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4699[22:14:14] <unborn> awal1: did you looked on hardware acceleration by any chances?
4700[22:14:28] <unborn> i mean - is it capable?
4701[22:14:28] <awal1> whith the black window chromium doesn't reach the net at all. it's like half launched
4702[22:14:45] <unborn> ***logs
4703[22:14:46] <unborn> man
4704[22:15:09] <awal1> unborn: you mean if there is something about hardware acceleration in chromium logs?
4705[22:15:23] <awal1> if it what you mean, so no, no trace
4706[22:15:27] <unborn> awal1: yes and in general in logs..
4707[22:15:28] <unborn> :)
4708[22:15:39] <unborn> heh
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4710[22:15:50] <Pavr> awal1, maybe try replaced-url
4711[22:15:55] <awal1> unborn: yes, chromium is capable of hardware acceleration; enabled by default now, since a while
4712[22:15:56] <unborn> - what you mean no trace? each program generates its own trace..
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4715[22:17:03] <awal1> unborn: I meant no trace about hardware acceleration failing or something like that
4716[22:17:14] <unborn> awal1: my one is capable too.. however hardware is rubbish on my side so sometimes it die..
4717[22:17:17] <awal1> Pavr: i'll check that, thanks
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4720[22:17:41] <awal1> unborn: in ff no issues
4721[22:17:53] <unborn> awal1: are you running nvidia? just - out of the convo
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4724[22:18:40] <Pavr> awal1, that does disable 3d acceleration in chrome/chromium though and might not be what you want. but i had the same issues with virtualbox and chrome/chromium using 3d acceleration. and looking around on google it's a common issue
4725[22:18:42] <awal1> well, nvidia nooo; since I only hear problems about it here. never had nvidia hardware; and I dont think I'll have
4726[22:18:49] <Pavr> seems like a common issue*
4727[22:18:49] <unborn> awal1: if ff have no issues then ggl chromium should not have it too.. unless you use custom settings.. of course I would be very well dummy to help you with that.
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4730[22:19:46] <unborn> awal1: see my specs.. and I had problems due to drivers.. just letting you know
4731[22:19:51] <unborn> its old hardware
4732[22:19:58] <unborn> HexChat: 2.10.1 ** OS: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64 ** Distro: Debian 8.6 ** CPU: 8 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2760QM CPU @ 2.40GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.12GHz ** RAM: Physical: 11.7GiB, 87.7% free ** Disk: Total: 427.8GiB, 17.3% free ** VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GF119M [NVS 4200M] ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH1: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia ** Ethernet: Intel Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection ** Uptime: 9h 10m 0s **
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4734[22:20:30] <unborn> note the graphics..
4735[22:20:43] <awal1> well, as I said I was able to disable hardware acceleration in chromium bcuz once chromium window was only half black; and with that (disabling hardware acceleration) no black window.
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4740[22:21:23] <awal1> Pavr: so sure it's related to hardware acceleration in chromium. but the problem is why :P
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4742[22:21:52] <TamaMcGlinn> HELP! I wrecked my X windowing system by installing a backport. Anyone know to undo this? It's just one apt-get -t command I did, then rebooted
4743[22:22:07] <TamaMcGlinn> apt-get -t jessie-backports install libgl1-mesa-glx
4744[22:22:13] <Pavr> sounds like a problem that either virtualbox or chromium should be fixing and isn't really related to debian
4745[22:22:20] <TamaMcGlinn> after adding the appropriate backports line to my sources.list
4746[22:22:43] <TamaMcGlinn> trouble is, I know to use irc, but not how to google things and find solutions through the terminal
4747[22:22:51] <TamaMcGlinn> I'm not so good with lynx or other terminal browsers
4748[22:23:19] <greycat> TamaMcGlinn: did you try apt-get install -t jessie pkgname ?
4749[22:23:24] <TamaMcGlinn> anyone willing to google that for me and tell me how to uninstall that package? It's probably purge or something
4750[22:23:36] <TamaMcGlinn> I did: apt-get -t jessie-backports install libgl1-mesa-glx
4751[22:23:49] <TamaMcGlinn> I don't understand what you mean, greycat
4752[22:23:53] <greycat> Yes, we saw what you DID. Did you try -t jessie to get back to the previous version?
4753[22:24:03] <TamaMcGlinn> ah, thank you! will do!
4754[22:24:03] <awal1> unborn: people usually complains about nvidia here; but since I never had nvidia stuff, I have no clue about that
4755[22:24:08] <unborn> TamaMcGlinn: YEAH nvidia is broken for me - even backports just give me an frozen state and no matter what you do - its just dead...
4756[22:24:53] <TamaMcGlinn> oh dear. No, I have AMD; a Radeon 9somethingsomething, hangon
4757[22:25:06] <unborn> awal1: perhaps your hardware is not capable.. that is what I would look at it in first place.. if it is.. then I would look at the logs - why it is letting you down.
4758[22:25:17] <greycat> If you aren't supposed to have that package at all (I have no idea) then apt-get remove pkgname
4759[22:25:37] <towo`> TamaMcGlinn, only update of mesa does not help you
4760[22:25:37] <awal1> Pavr: not debian issue, of course, it's chromium issue, since firefox isn't ffected
4761[22:25:52] <towo`> you even need the kernel from there
4762[22:25:55] <unborn> TamaMcGlinn: i have npo radeon hardware - im very sorry about that. - i am afraid I cannot help you with this issue
4763[22:26:00] <TamaMcGlinn> oh dear, well I'm not sure either. I was trying to upgrade my version of mesa to the backports version, in order to try to get Unreal Editor working, which needs a later version than I had
4764[22:26:10] <awal1> unborn: my system is capable; in real hardware no issue at all; just in virtualbox
4765[22:26:14] <TamaMcGlinn> but installing that particular package was a complete guess
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4767[22:26:20] <TamaMcGlinn> so I don't know if I had it before
4768[22:26:43] <towo`> TamaMcGlinn, and btw, provide the x-log instead of crying "does not work"
4769[22:26:44] <unborn> awal1: ah - is that for virtualbox or virtual hardware ?
4770[22:26:49] <greycat> Well, try downgrading to jessie first, and if that doesn't work, try removing.
4771[22:26:50] <Pavr> awal1, or virtualbox's just because firefox and chromium are browsers you can't really compare them by one being broken and the other one not.
4772[22:27:05] <TamaMcGlinn> ok, towo, where would find an x-log?
4773[22:27:21] <awal1> unborn: virtualbox
4774[22:27:31] <towo`> TamaMcGlinn, as ever, /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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4778[22:27:41] <awal1> I'm tired reporting bugs to virtualbox upstream
4779[22:27:54] <TamaMcGlinn> well, greycat, running `apt-get install -t jessie libgl1-mesa-glx` printed: already latest version
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4782[22:28:25] <Pavr> awal1, replaced-url
4783[22:28:42] <Vizva> i did use many nvidia i dont have problems
4784[22:28:48] <awal1> Pavr: ok
4785[22:28:53] <Vizva> and if you have you can solve
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4787[22:28:54] <unborn> awal1: man that makes things very clear.. well.. since no real hardware i am useless as finger in a butt...I am sorry but I thought it would be normal to just tell you before you will get upset. - no sorry.. I do support only real gears if you know what I mean - otherwise I am very much - useless.
4788[22:29:09] <TamaMcGlinn> hmmm, now I need a way to upload that to pastebin or something from the terminal
4789[22:29:09] <Vizva> nvidia is well maintained in debian
4790[22:29:18] <greycat> !pastebinit
4791[22:29:19] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b replaced-url
4792[22:29:21] <TamaMcGlinn> I suppose I could put it in my dotfiles git repository
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4794[22:29:26] <TamaMcGlinn> thank you!
4795[22:29:33] <awal1> unborn: no problem ;)
4796[22:29:40] <towo`> TamaMcGlinn, apt install pastebinit && pastebinit < /var/log/Xorg.0.log
4797[22:29:55] <awal1> it's just a Vm, so a trivial issue
4798[22:30:02] <unborn> awal1: good luck with virtualbox hardware .
4799[22:30:18] <Vizva> maybe add some more memory
4800[22:30:31] <Vizva> to the graphic card
4801[22:30:38] <TamaMcGlinn> replaced-url
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4803[22:31:18] <awal1> unborn: I'm trying to learn more about qemu-kvm, but it's more complex than vbox; so time to time...
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4807[22:31:46] <towo`> TamaMcGlinn, and egain, install even the kernel from backports and paste the output of dpkg -l | grep mesa
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4813[22:32:17] <towo`> TamaMcGlinn, you have to install all available mesa packages from backports not only specific ones
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4816[22:32:28] <unborn> qemu is very comple... you are on right path.. the thing I learned with it is - sometimes read msgs.. I think that would not be hepful but.. you know me..
4817[22:32:49] <unborn> awal1:^^^
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4819[22:33:04] <unborn> *complex - meh
4820[22:33:09] <TamaMcGlinn> towo, I think I should revert the installation to get my x-window working again, so that I can research "how to install all available mesa packages from backports"
4821[22:33:29] <TamaMcGlinn> with just a terminal I am somewhat crippled and stupid, and I don't want to waste more of your time
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4824[22:34:01] <dfcsdffds> help plz
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4826[22:34:35] <TamaMcGlinn> what I want to do is remove the version of libgl1-mesa-glx from backports - probably some variant of purge? such that I leave any packages of that installed from jessie (main)
4827[22:34:37] <awal1> unborn: which software you use for virtualization?
4828[22:35:02] <dfcsdffds> I downloaded a package with apt-get source, I get an orig.tar.xz file, a .dsc file, a debian.tar.xz file, and a FOLDER, I went into the folder and made a modification.. how can I install that pkg using that folder as source?
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4831[22:35:18] <greycat> TamaMcGlinn: try downgrading to jessie, then try removing if that didn't work.
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4833[22:35:22] <awal1> Pavr: thanks for the bug lin
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4835[22:35:49] <awal1> qemu without kvm modules is so f*** slow :D
4836[22:36:06] <awal1> like 3 hours for achieve a minimal debian install :D
4837[22:36:29] <TamaMcGlinn> so, greycat, if `apt-get install -t jessie libgl1-mesa-glx` prints "libgl1-mesa-glx is already the newest version." does that mean that downgrading failed, and I should try removing it entirely?
4838[22:36:31] <unborn> awal1: right now - none.. but normally virtualbox or vmware....
4839[22:36:35] <dfcsdffds> the screen is starting to hurt my eyes thanks to fucking useless firmware maintainer
4840[22:36:37] <johnkeates> how so? debootstrap is fast. unless you use it on a rock
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4842[22:36:48] <greycat> crap, I hate downgrade questions...
4843[22:36:50] <unborn> I prefer vb..
4844[22:36:57] <awal1> vb is easier
4845[22:37:11] * unborn agree with awal1
4846[22:37:12] <greycat> Maybe someone knows. I don't know.
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4848[22:37:37] <Pavr> TamaMcGlinn, maybe try removing the package before installing it with -t jessie ?
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4850[22:37:53] <greycat> That'll work as long as there are no dependencies. Maybe.
4851[22:37:59] <TamaMcGlinn> thank you Pavr
4852[22:38:13] <TamaMcGlinn> oh, can I remove without removing dependencies or something?
4853[22:38:21] <greycat> We don't know. Try hit.
4854[22:38:31] <unborn> greycat: you are not only one.. I usually advice to re-install.. I know its brutal but hey.. life is just one.. take it easy buddy ;)
4855[22:38:38] <tharkun> TamaMcGlinn: 99% of the time upgrading is the path people take. Downgrading is that less beaten path. Usually bugs are filed and stuff fixed.
4856[22:38:48] <dfcsdffds> debian/rules binary
4857[22:38:54] <awal1> unborn: but qemu-kvm is more integrated with linux; but too much to learn; right now I'm stuck in networking docs
4858[22:39:01] <dfcsdffds> then dpkg -i
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4861[22:39:19] <n4dir> TamaMcGlinn: apt-get has the -s swith, like simultate
4862[22:39:35] <greycat> Or you just SAY NO when it asks you to confirm that it'll remove x y z
4863[22:39:36] <n4dir> i am unsure if using: "apt-get install package=version" will be of help, but i sure would try it
4864[22:39:38] <romulo> hi all
4865[22:39:44] <dfcsdffds> who's the fucker responsible of latest "firmware-nonfree" in STRETCH? I want to tell him a few things
4866[22:39:47] <n4dir> well: or that, just say no.
4867[22:39:51] <unborn> awal1: not only that.. I have machine for that purpose specially.. its like another world however its not easy... - you know what I mean..
4868[22:39:55] <greycat> dfcsdffds: we do not support stretch in this channel.
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4871[22:40:12] <dfcsdffds> greycat support my dick
4872[22:40:19] <n4dir> greycat: " apt-get install package=version" is not an option?
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4875[22:40:35] <romulo> does anyone know how can I force the Xserver to use a driver in a hybrid graphics computer?
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4877[22:40:41] <unborn> dfcsdffds: pardon me (and us)?
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4879[22:40:43] <bazhang> !ops | dfcsdffds
4880[22:40:43] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | dfcsdffds
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4885[22:40:58] <bazhang> whoops sorry greycat
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4890[22:41:37] <TamaMcGlinn> replaced-url
4891[22:41:51] <awal1> unborn: I get you yeah; debian + qemu-kvm is like learning a new OS
4892[22:41:53] <romulo> apparently it's only using the intel
4893[22:42:01] <TamaMcGlinn> you almost lost me forever, but I got a little suspicious that so much would be removed
4894[22:42:04] <unborn> bazhang: never apology for issue here - ops are here to support people.. remember that.
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4896[22:42:21] <greycat> If it wants to remove a bunch of shit then say no.
4897[22:42:37] <greycat> Then you drop down to "dpkg --remove --force-depends pkgname"
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4904[22:44:06] <unborn> awal1: well since debian 5 it took me couple of years to learn some things.. then each release makes changes.. means learning path again and again.. - to support that - its just I would better to write off some configs for 10+ years and I will be better off.. you get me.. but in plain words = yes you can say so...
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4906[22:45:15] <unborn> awal1: some stuff are easy some harder :) ...its better to shut the mouth before advice anything bad.. even if that things I will looks like lolo (idiot)...
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4910[22:46:42] <TamaMcGlinn> interesting, greycat; how would I specify I want the backports version removed?
4911[22:46:49] <TamaMcGlinn> oh, hangon
4912[22:46:52] <awal1> unborn: we already know you, no problem :P
4913[22:46:57] <TamaMcGlinn> carmen@serenity:~$ sudo dpkg --remove --force-depends libgl1-mesa-glx
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4915[22:47:03] <TamaMcGlinn> dpkg: error: --remove needs a valid package name but 'libgl1-mesa-glx' is not: ambiguous package name 'libgl1-mesa-glx' with more than one installed instance
4916[22:47:03] <dpkg> that's too long, TamaMcGlinn
4917[22:47:10] <unborn> awal1: i hope so in good way :)
4918[22:47:12] <TamaMcGlinn> yea, can only do one line at a time apparently
4919[22:47:25] <TamaMcGlinn> thanks dpkg
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4926[22:49:35] <TamaMcGlinn> removing libgl1-mesa-glx was going to remove every single graphically based program I have, lol
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4928[22:49:58] <greycat> maybe it wants libgl1-mesa-glx:amd64 or libgl1-mesa-glx:i386
4929[22:50:06] <TamaMcGlinn> yes, probably
4930[22:50:10] <TamaMcGlinn> which would be amd64 for me
4931[22:50:26] <TamaMcGlinn> thanks; that's it
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4933[22:51:06] <TamaMcGlinn> I should probably have been suspicious when glxinfo gave me an error after installing that libgl1-mesa-glx from backports
4934[22:51:12] <TamaMcGlinn> glxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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4937[22:52:29] <TamaMcGlinn> so, now `apt-get install -t jessie libgl1-mesa-glx` I guess?
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4939[22:52:50] <Pavr> would make sure you have a recent backup
4940[22:52:56] <TamaMcGlinn> 3 unmet dependencies on that: libgl1-mesa-dev : Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx (= 12.0.4-2~bpo8+1) but 10.3.2-1+deb8u1 is to be installed
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4942[22:53:16] <TamaMcGlinn> well, I've already bricked the X-windowing system, so I'm sure a backup is useful at this point
4943[22:53:20] <TamaMcGlinn> *not
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4946[22:53:44] <Pavr> thought you fixed it: "thanks; that's it"
4947[22:54:04] <n4dir> i for one don't care much if most of the GUI gets deinstalled. I reinstall it and call it a day.
4948[22:54:15] <Pavr> "This package does not include the modules themselves: these can be found in the libgl1-mesa-dri package."
4949[22:54:29] <TamaMcGlinn> err, I meant the "libgl1-mesa-glx" removal from backports
4950[22:54:34] <TamaMcGlinn> that worked, without removing other stuff
4951[22:55:04] <TamaMcGlinn> but I'm afraid some of the dependencies now need to be deinstalled the same way, in order to fix my unmet dependencies with reinstalling jessie's mesa
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4953[22:55:53] <TamaMcGlinn> I'm assuming that installing libgl1-mesa-glx from backports would also install all of it's dependencies from backports
4954[22:55:58] <TamaMcGlinn> and those I now need to remove
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4956[22:56:18] <Pavr> try apt-cache policy libgl1-mesa-dri
4957[22:56:27] <Pavr> and see if it is using backports
4958[22:56:43] <TamaMcGlinn> it is
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4960[22:56:57] <TamaMcGlinn> version table lists backports for version 12 first, then the main one, version 10
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4963[22:57:20] <unborn> awal1: i pm-d you.. sorry.. now I understand the whole picture.. thank you.
4964[22:57:32] <renka> how do i flush dns on jessie?
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4966[22:57:52] <renka> /etc/init.d/nscd restart does not work
4967[22:57:55] <TamaMcGlinn> thank you greycat and Pavr, and whoever taught me how to pastebinit the Xorg log instead of "crying about it"
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4970[22:58:25] <Pavr> but does it have the *** stars on the backported version or the non-backported version?
4971[22:58:43] <TamaMcGlinn> stars? none... I'll pastebinit
4972[22:59:06] <TamaMcGlinn> replaced-url
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4974[22:59:20] <awal1> unborn: no problem; all fine. cheers :)
4975[22:59:21] <Pavr> installed: (none)
4976[22:59:32] <TamaMcGlinn> ah yes, makes sense
4977[22:59:49] <TamaMcGlinn> of course, I just removed it with dpkg --remove --force-depends libgl1-mesa-glx:amd64
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4979[23:00:17] <TamaMcGlinn> the thing is, I actually wanted to remove it and all of it's dependencies, but not the things that depend ON libgl1-mesa-glx
4980[23:00:32] <Pavr> TamaMcGlinn, that is -glx and not -dri
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4983[23:01:03] <TamaMcGlinn> I don't think I mentioned -dri before, so I don't understand what you mean
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4986[23:01:42] <unborn> awal1: finally I understand what it means to be noted here.. anyway I did my best to help.. im sorry I would let you down with your request. since I know my status here, it wont happen again :)
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4989[23:02:38] <awal1> unborn: all fine :P
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4991[23:03:18] <TamaMcGlinn> Pavr, what do you think I should be doing with -dri?
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4993[23:04:26] <n4dir> TamaMcGlinn: do apt-cache show libgl1-mesa-glx
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4995[23:04:43] <awal1> I'm trying to find out how to listed pkgs installed as recommends. any clue?
4996[23:04:50] <n4dir> Pavr quoted the part he has in mind above (assuming i understand correct)
4997[23:05:04] <l00ptr> /set awl_display_key $Q%K|%n$H$C$S
4998[23:05:11] <awal1> actually aptitude search '~RBrecommends:~i!~i' does the trick for non installed (recommends)
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5000[23:05:21] <l00ptr> shit sorry
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5002[23:05:47] <n4dir> TamaMcGlinn: "This package does not include the modules themselves: these can be found in the libgl1-mesa-dri package."
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5007[23:08:32] <awal1> is it likely impossible to list all pkgs installed as recommends bcuz of the interdependency of all the system deps<>recommends<>suggests?
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5017[23:12:44] <EDFrosty> wordlist needed
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5020[23:13:25] <Pavr> TamaMcGlinn, did you try reinstalling the libgl1-mesa-glx with -t jessie ?
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5024[23:15:38] <TamaMcGlinn> yes Pavr, that failed with broken dependencies
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5028[23:16:37] <TamaMcGlinn> thank you n4dir, I have tried `apt-cache -t jessie-backports show libgl1-mesa-glx` but there is no diff with using "-t jessie" so I guess -t is not supported
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5030[23:17:43] <n4dir> i mainly meant that Pavr pointed to the *-dri package, but he can confirm that himself
5031[23:17:43] <towo`> you can't downgrade packages by using the -t command
5032[23:17:44] <TamaMcGlinn> in all cases, this is the output for me: replaced-url
5033[23:18:07] <n4dir> did you try the package=version syntax?
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5036[23:18:17] <TamaMcGlinn> what you guys quoted is in that pastebin, but its too cryptic for me to understand
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5038[23:18:26] <towo`> you only can downgrade if you provide apt install package1/jessie package2/jessie ... packageN/jessie
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5041[23:18:32] <TamaMcGlinn> no n4dir, I don't know the package=version syntax
5042[23:18:59] <n4dir> must have missed it. goes like "apt-get install package=version
5043[23:19:01] <towo`> but you have to do that for all depended packages manualy
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5047[23:20:26] <TamaMcGlinn> ah, so towo, basically I read through the apt-cache show command and construct a line like: `apt-get install libgl1-mesa-glx/jessie firstdependency/jessie` ?
5048[23:20:50] <TamaMcGlinn> so, -t doesn't do the same?
5049[23:21:01] <towo`> debian does not support downgrades
5050[23:21:11] <towo`> so -t will help nothing
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5053[23:21:17] <TamaMcGlinn> right, thanks for clarifying
5054[23:21:26] <TamaMcGlinn> I'm a bit thick with this stuff
5055[23:21:41] <towo`> that's why i earlyer have sayed, look in dpkg -l grep mesa
5056[23:21:50] <towo`> learn the basics
5057[23:21:57] <n4dir> TamaMcGlinn: more like this (not the release, you use that with -t, the version): apt-get install libgl1-mesa-glx= 10.3.2-1+deb8u1
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5059[23:22:09] <towo`> TamaMcGlinn, dpkg -l | grep mesa
5060[23:22:11] <n4dir> the space after the equal sign is wrong
5061[23:22:28] <towo`> this will not help
5062[23:22:38] <n4dir> thanks, towo.
5063[23:22:51] <towo`> because installing libgl1-mesa-glx from backports will install more than only that package
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5069[23:24:26] <TamaMcGlinn> replaced-url
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5071[23:24:32] <TamaMcGlinn> that's dpkg -l
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5075[23:26:06] <towo`> TamaMcGlinn, so the better way would bee, all packages=10.3.2-1+deb8u1 upgrade to backports version
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5077[23:26:28] <towo`> TamaMcGlinn, and again, the kernel from there even
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