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• 62[00:28:29] <EnV> hey, i would like to know how to install debian
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• 71[00:30:05] <jelly> !install guide
• 72[00:30:06] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at replaced-url
• 73[00:30:19] <jelly> EnV: read that, probably
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• 77[00:31:09] <EnV> i have an intel i5 64bit, but all i see is amd64 arm64 armel armhf i386 mips mipsel powerpc ppc64el s390x source multi-arch...idk which one to download
• 78[00:31:36] <jelly> EnV: amd64 is the one you want. Yes, even for an intel cpu.
• 79[00:32:05] <EnV> im sorry to confuse you guys, i said the wrong words. my question was to download
• 80[00:32:16] <somiaj> !amd64
• 81[00:32:17] <dpkg> amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686-pae or -amd64 kernel. See also <why amd64> and <why not amd64>.
• 82[00:32:31] <somiaj> !why amd64
• 83[00:32:31] <dpkg> The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). replaced-url
• 84[00:32:37] <EnV> o ok i didnt know, i thought amd64 was for amd, thats what confused me
• 85[00:32:44] <EnV> ooooooo
• 86[00:32:49] <EnV> i see that now
• 87[00:32:54] <EnV> thank you!!!!
• 88[00:33:25] <EnV> ok, before i download, is debian ok to get started with before pentesting?
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• 91[00:33:39] <somiaj> pentesting?
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• 93[00:34:26] <EnV> i want to learn pentesting and i was on linuxjourney.com, it said one of these distros would be best to start on for learning linux
• 94[00:34:30] <bazhang> is he on Kali?
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• 96[00:34:49] <somiaj> EnV: most here will say debian is a fine distro to start with.
• 97[00:34:52] <EnV> i have kali, yes, i was thinking about dumping kali and learning on debian
• 98[00:35:59] <EnV> i know kali is also debian but i figured i may have a better chance of just using what i will use and learn rather than having all this stuff that comes with it
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• 101[00:36:26] <bazhang> kali is not debian
• 102[00:36:28] <jelly> a capable pentester probably needs to have a background in OS design, programming from low to high level first. Being able to find your way around a linux distro is just a bonus given that many tools you're going to use are open source and work best on linux
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• 106[00:37:23] <jelly> bazhang: awareness of "kali != debian" is probably one of the reasons they're asking how to install actual debian
• 107[00:38:03] <bazhang> jelly, his mention of pentesting had me thinking it was a kali install he had
• 108[00:38:34] <jelly> sure, but whatever they have right now is irrelevant for their question
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• 111[00:38:57] <jelly> (except for the part of making a bootable installer medium)
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• 116[00:43:23] <brrrba> in which package can i find libpng library
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• 119[00:44:19] <bazhang> libpng-tools ?
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• 121[00:44:41] <hicksd> brrrba: apt-cache search libpng
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• 123[00:45:15] <brrrba> nah
• 124[00:46:20] <jelly> brrrba: why are you asking?
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• 126[00:46:47] <brrrba> some game is asking for libpng12.so
• 127[00:47:18] <jelly> brrrba: which game, and what's the actual error message?
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• 129[00:47:30] <jelly> dpkg, tell brrrba about apt-file
• 130[00:48:17] <jelly> or ask the bot, /msg judd file libpng12.so
• 131[00:49:11] <brrrba> error while loading shared libraries: libpng12.so.0: ... no such file or directory
• 132[00:49:33] <brrrba> i found it
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• 134[00:49:39] <brrrba> it appears to be version 16
• 135[00:49:39] <EnV> im new, im teaching myself through the linuxjourney, i figured if i start there and keep learning as much as possible i can teach myself ethical hacking...thats basically what my goal is
• 136[00:49:50] <jelly> brrrba: which debian release are you using?
• 137[00:49:58] <brrrba> testing
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• 139[00:50:08] <brrrba> the game is TennisElbow
• 140[00:50:19] <jelly> that's your problem, your binary is not built to work on stretch
• 141[00:50:50] <s0r00t> hi there, anyone has experience in pxe booting?
• 142[00:50:59] <brrrba> yeah, i realize that, maybe i can link the new library to point to the old version
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• 146[00:51:40] <jelly> don't do that, the files have different names for a reason
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• 148[00:52:01] <jelly> brrrba: if you have to, grab the old library package from jessie
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• 151[00:52:24] <cafuego> brrrba: You can try the symlink, though chances are it'll cause a segfault.
• 152[00:52:32] <hicksd> download libpng12 and stick it in the same dir as the game then you can get it to use it via LD_PRELOAD for just that one binary
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• 154[00:53:41] <jelly> hicksd: it is probably more sane to enable repo for previous debian release and just install the relevant package
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• 164[00:59:45] <zykotick9> jelly: wow... i'm surprised to see you giving such advise
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• 169[01:01:10] <jelly> zykotick9: adding a repo for the previous release is a LOT safer than adding a repo for the next/upcoming one
• 170[01:01:39] * zykotick9 kinda takes jelly's word for things... but frankendebian isn't in his vocabulary...
• 171[01:01:45] <jelly> if that's what got you wondering
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• 173[01:02:46] <zykotick9> sorry s/isn't in his/isn't in my/ <- i don't support frankedebian in anyway... and am kinda 'anal about that...
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• 176[01:03:36] <jelly> so propose a better way to get their software running
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• 178[01:04:55] <zykotick9> OH I CAN'T!!! i just "surpised to see you giving such advise" <- but i'm NOT saying it's not the BEST solution in this situation! come on... "i take your word for things" ps. kinda like gospel ;)
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• 186[01:08:09] <jelly> maybe that's the problem, don't take stuff as given -- try and test things if you have time, instead
• 187[01:08:46] <zykotick9> ^ spoken as a _true_ profit...
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• 209[01:17:58] <Release_> greetz folks, we where trying to update python
• 210[01:18:07] <Release_> it says it already has latest version
• 211[01:18:15] <Release_> while we need python3.4-dev
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• 213[01:18:25] <jrtc27> ,version python
• 214[01:18:26] <judd> Package: python on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.7.3-4+deb7u1; jessie: 2.7.9-1; stretch: 2.7.11-2; sid: 2.7.13-1
• 215[01:18:26] <somiaj> Release_: what version of debain are you running? And you don't want to change the version of python in debian (system scripts could depend on it)
• 216[01:18:33] <jrtc27> ,version python3
• 217[01:18:34] <judd> Package: python3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.1-4; sid: 3.5.1-4
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• 219[01:18:38] <Release_> it outputs Python 2.7.3
• 220[01:18:41] <Release_> hm ok
• 221[01:18:47] <Release_> running wheezy 7
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• 223[01:19:02] <somiaj> Release_: you won't get 3.4 in debian wheezy. in debian python means python2
• 224[01:19:19] <Release_> hm ok
• 225[01:19:27] <somiaj> Release_: you can get version 3.2.3 in wheezy using the python3 package, but if you need newer you need to build a python virtual enviroment using a custom built python
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• 227[01:19:39] <somiaj> if you want 3.4 you should be using jessie
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• 229[01:19:45] <jrtc27> ,checkbackport python3 --release wheezy
• 230[01:19:46] <judd> (checkbackport <packagename> [--fromrelease <sid>] [--torelease <stable>] [--arch <amd64>] [--verbose]) -- Check that the build-dependencies listed by a package in the release specified as "fromrelease" are satisfiable for in "torelease" for the given host architecture. By default, a backport from unstable to the current stable release and amd64 are used.
• 231[01:19:48] <Release_> ok
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• 233[01:19:53] <jrtc27> ,checkbackport python3 --torelease wheezy
• 234[01:19:53] <joebobjoe> How do I generate a password hash to compare to /etc/shadow? I know the salt and password.
• 235[01:19:59] <judd> Backporting package python3 in sid→wheezy/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: dpkg-dev (>= 1.17.11), python3.5 (>= 3.5.1-13~), python3.5-minimal:any.
• 236[01:20:06] <Release_> i knew it we should have used latest debian branch
• 237[01:20:12] <jrtc27> ,checkbackport python3 --torelease wheezy --fromrelease jessie
• 238[01:20:14] <judd> Backporting package python3 in jessie→wheezy/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: dpkg-dev (>= 1.17.11), python3.4 (>= 3.4.2-0), python3.4-minimal:any.
• 239[01:20:33] <somiaj> you don't want to backport python
• 240[01:20:45] <somiaj> you want to install a version inside a virtual env
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• 242[01:22:01] <Release_> in wheezy 7 ?
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• 252[01:23:32] <Release_> without messing/breaking other things
• 253[01:23:42] <Release_> its a clean fresh box
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• 402[02:49:01] <JERiCHO7> hi anyone knows if win32-loader.exe works with wifi ?
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• 404[02:50:08] <netmk> what are you asking?
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• 409[02:51:43] <JERiCHO7> about the installation from debian with windows
• 410[02:52:59] <pingfloyd> JERiCHO7: you also asked about another .exe file in ##linux
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• 413[02:53:13] <JERiCHO7> so
• 414[02:53:21] <pingfloyd> JERiCHO7: maybe you should quit downloading trojans?
• 415[02:53:43] <JERiCHO7> replaced-url
• 416[02:53:44] <n4dir> nope, at least there has been a debian installer exe file in the past
• 417[02:53:45] <JERiCHO7> this is trojan ?
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• 419[02:54:00] <netmk> what does running some an exe have anything to do with wifi?
• 420[02:54:52] <JERiCHO7> it installs a few files then reboots and boots into debian setup
• 421[02:54:55] <netmk> are you asking if debian supports your wifi card?
• 422[02:55:03] <n4dir> probably works the same way with wifi like installing debian from a "usual" iso. iirc you will reboot and get the usual installer interface
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• 446[03:11:12] <awal1_> JERiCH07: anything starting with win/micro and ending with .exe sounds like a weird and generates an instinctive an uncle Sam reaction for gnu/linux users :D :P
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• 448[03:11:39] <awal1_> anti uncle ... ^
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• 452[03:12:54] <awal1_> win32-loader is unknown by a large amount of people
• 453[03:13:06] <JERiCHO7> ok lol
• 454[03:14:46] <awal1_> is it in fact something like the abandoned ubuntu wubi pkg?
• 455[03:15:15] <JERiCHO7> idk man thats why im asking
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• 457[03:16:01] <awal1_> wubi install's ubuntu like an extra program in windows, without removing windows system; it was abandoned since the introduction of uefi
• 458[03:16:15] <n4dir> i seem to recall that it is (or was) to be found when you opened the debian*.iso with the filemanager of ubuntu
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• 460[03:16:24] <JERiCHO7> uefi ?
• 461[03:16:25] <awal1_> not sure, but maybe win32-loader is similar
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• 464[03:17:31] <awal1_> JERiCHO7, never heard about uefi?
• 465[03:17:37] <n4dir> this way or that way: pretty sure that the better option is to do it the usual way (write the iso to a stick or to a CD and boot from that)
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• 468[03:17:56] <awal1_> of course, yeah
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• 470[03:18:44] <awal1_> but if win32-loader exists it may suites needs of some people and "should" be utile
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• 472[03:18:53] <awal1_> dpkg: uefi
• 473[03:18:53] <dpkg> Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. replaced-url
• 474[03:19:00] <awal1_> JERiCHO7, ^
• 475[03:19:03] <netmk> JERiCHO7: get the latest debian stable ISO, and write it to a USB disk with Rufus
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• 482[03:21:44] <awal1_> JERiCHO7, what's your goal: install debian from windows? within windows as wubi was doing? alongside windows?
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• 484[03:22:51] <awal1_> "about the installation from debian with windows" means nothing for me
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• 487[03:23:15] <JERiCHO7> yes
• 488[03:23:24] <JERiCHO7> im gonna try some other distros also to see what works best
• 489[03:23:32] <JERiCHO7> but in general to know the best method to do this would be nice
• 490[03:23:38] <awal1_> but I guess you want the wubi way
• 491[03:23:49] <awal1_> "yes" what?
• 492[03:23:50] <netmk> iso to USB is the easiest way for sure.
• 493[03:23:50] <JERiCHO7> yes only that
• 494[03:24:21] <JERiCHO7> to have windows on main hdd, to have linux on another hdd
• 495[03:24:41] <JERiCHO7> my usb is taken now with very nice persistance drive, dont want to format it again
• 496[03:24:51] <awal1_> so debian alongside windows, ok
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• 498[03:25:26] <JERiCHO7> I was thinking to download debian dvd iso, and then continue with that exe
• 499[03:25:59] <awal1_> not complicated if your windows doesnt have 4 primary partition yet
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• 501[03:26:14] <JERiCHO7> 4?
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• 503[03:26:43] <awal1_> you want both windows and debian in the internal hdd or what?
• 504[03:26:49] <JERiCHO7> seperate hdd
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• 506[03:27:29] <JERiCHO7> theres just not much info about that win32loader.xexe
• 507[03:28:23] <awal1_> what you mean by separate hdd? an external one? an internal separated one? or you just have one and you'll partition it?
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• 510[03:29:42] <awal1_> well, win32-loader description says "This package provides a win32 program that can be used as a loader for Debian Installer, acting as a more user-friendly boot mechanism than traditional BIOS-based boot. This package contains the cdrom/usb-disk add-on that starts a media-based install."
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• 512[03:30:41] <awal1_> personally I dont really get the total meaning, since I never used it :P
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• 540[03:49:07] <somiaj> JERiCHO7: what os is on your pendrive?
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• 544[03:49:51] <JERiCHO7> lubuntu
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• 546[03:50:16] <somiaj> JERiCHO7: if you are feeling a bit adventrous or just want a manual install, you could install debian use debootstrap from that thumbdrive
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• 548[03:50:44] <JERiCHO7> im gonna try opensuse now lol
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• 553[03:53:23] <tx> lame.,
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• 575[04:02:08] <awal1_> I don't know why in the web Debian has the false reputation of being difficult. maybe of non free stuff and less official wiki entries
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• 582[04:06:03] <somiaj> awal1_: debian in its aim to be uiversial isn't always as friendly as distros that focus only on modern x86 archetcture and software. As such debian is usually behind the curve in automatic features.
• 583[04:07:17] <hwaseo> but compared to other distros it is relitivly straight forward to setup
• 584[04:07:35] <hwaseo> and you got documentation for days at your fingertips
• 585[04:07:38] <awal1_> somiaj: I guess being "behind the curve in automatic features" is the point, yeah
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• 587[04:08:10] <Anselmo> its surprisingly easy to install. . if you've come from arch or gentoo or simialr
• 588[04:08:24] <somiaj> yea there is good docs, plenty of choice and freedom choose the software you want. A bump with non-free and the DSFG.
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• 590[04:08:47] <somiaj> Anselmo: I say behind the curve, but I have been isntalling debian since days of potato when it wasn't so easy compared to other distros.
• 591[04:08:52] <cafuego> pfff arch or gentoo. 1.44 floppies!
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• 593[04:09:10] <awal1_> personally, apt sources file (sources.list) was a big problem first time I used debian (offline install). well, it was years ago. apart that , all was easy
• 594[04:09:12] <hwaseo> anyone know whats could be the cause of a dkpg fatal erro?
• 595[04:09:14] <somiaj> but it has been a while since I've tried arch or gentoo, not sure if they are keeping up with the curve or not.
• 596[04:09:14] <Anselmo> well, I'm addressing the systems as they stand today, aware that they've not always been so
• 597[04:09:16] <cafuego> you kids these days have no idea what a difficult install is ;-)
• 598[04:09:24] <somiaj> !bat
• 599[04:09:24] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 600[04:09:37] <somiaj> hwaseo: ^^ can you provide us with more info.
• 601[04:09:42] <Anselmo> well, arch and gentoo don't have instal scripts
• 602[04:09:52] <awal1_> hwaseo: stretch?
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• 604[04:10:15] <Anselmo> but that's not a bad thing. . .really they all seem quite easy to use in practice
• 605[04:10:52] <somiaj> awal1_: also a lot of this is just old stuff that sticks around. With the fact that desktop support in linux isn't so new (and changing so quickly) and that debian now offical provides backports, the days of debian stable being 'outdated' are not nearly what they use to be.
• 606[04:11:19] <somiaj> but this stigma will most likely follow Debian around for years to come.
• 607[04:11:22] <hwaseo> says it was interupted, i run the dpkg --configure -a and then it throws me a unrecoverable fatal error that it is unable to install updated status of a file.
• 608[04:11:31] <hwaseo> However the file it throws is different every time
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• 611[04:11:56] <Anselmo> well, in the last year I encountered two instances where debian packages were incompatable with current arch users' systems
• 612[04:12:20] <somiaj> hwaseo: again give us actual output. You may be translating correctly, but that is really helpful. Use paste.debian.net
• 613[04:12:25] <Anselmo> not that things cannot be tinkered with of course, but the defaults lagged
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• 615[04:12:49] <somiaj> hwaseo: i.e. we would prefer you pate the full output of 'dpkg --configure -a' at paste.debian.net
• 616[04:12:54] <awal1_> somiaj: I have seen devs from arch and gentoo saying that pkging under debian is also harder; but I have no clue about that since i never pkged :D
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• 622[04:14:00] <somiaj> awal1_: debian has very strong policy and will throw out packages that don't meet policy. That is the 'harder' part. This requires devs and matainers to do more work to create a package suitable for Debian than it would for say arch or gentoo which may not require to much modification.
• 623[04:15:41] <awal1_> somiaj: I understand, ok. but casually, debian have much more pkg than any other gnu/linux OS; I guess having more than 1000 devs/maintainers matters in this case ;)
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• 625[04:16:26] <somiaj> awal1_: well once a package gets into Debian.....It will only be removed once an RC bug hits and the bug isn't fixed.
• 626[04:16:41] <awal1_> ok
• 627[04:16:51] <somiaj> awal1_: part of a strong policy, is packages last a long time. For example debian still offers fvwm1
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• 633[04:17:49] <blimpywastaken> yo
• 634[04:17:51] <blimpywastaken> i have an ibook
• 635[04:17:54] <blimpywastaken> g3
• 636[04:17:58] <blimpywastaken> it's running debian ppc
• 637[04:18:06] <blimpywastaken> and i can't update it
• 638[04:18:22] <somiaj> blimpywastaken: what version of debian? I think debian-ppc has been removed from offical releases.
• 639[04:18:44] <somiaj> ahh at least for jeesie it is still there, nevermind that.
• 640[04:18:46] <blimpywastaken> i added all my sources to the list with contrib non-free a la replaced-url
• 641[04:18:49] <blimpywastaken> somiaj: jessie
• 642[04:18:59] <tx> an iBook G3? Oh my.
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• 644[04:19:07] <tx> Did you put a CF adapter in it for speed? :)
• 645[04:19:10] <somiaj> blimpywastaken: care to put a copy of your sources.list at paste.debian.net
• 646[04:19:16] <somiaj> blimpywastaken: not all mirrors may offer ppc packages.
• 647[04:19:22] <blimpywastaken> are the servers just down or am i trying to get things to work together that should never work together
• 648[04:19:24] <blimpywastaken> somiaj: ah
• 649[04:19:33] <oysterboy> blimpywastaken: ppc architecture has been dropped from stretch
• 650[04:19:35] <awal1_> somiaj: the reputation of debianb being hard makes many gnu/linux users go for other distros such as mint, ubuntu, suse and fedora
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• 652[04:19:47] <oysterboy> jessie will be the last supported version for your ibook
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• 654[04:19:59] <tx> awal1_: If that's true, I wouldn't mind.
• 655[04:20:03] <somiaj> oysterboy: ahh okay I was correct, I thought I heard something about dropping offical ppc support.
• 656[04:20:09] <tx> Reduces the odds / chances of silly questions and people. :)
• 657[04:20:26] <awal1_> also this idea of "debian is hard" is also maintained by suse, ubuntu & fedora users for "change newbies thinking"
• 658[04:20:42] <oysterboy> yeah, I have an old ibook g4 with jessie
• 659[04:20:45] <blimpywastaken> well, i can't really do that, i guess i could run an sshd or something
• 660[04:20:50] * blimpywastaken starts an sshd on the ibook
• 661[04:20:57] <oysterboy> there won't be any upgrade to stretch on that one :(
• 662[04:20:59] <awal1_> a marketing for ther OS's
• 663[04:21:02] <somiaj> !pastebinit
• 664[04:21:02] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b replaced-url
• 665[04:21:06] <somiaj> blimpywastaken: ^^
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• 667[04:21:28] <blimpywastaken> but i can't install it!
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• 669[04:21:40] <somiaj> blimpywastaken: yea just thought of that. What mirror are you using in your sources.list?
• 670[04:21:43] <tx> awal1_: excellent!
• 671[04:21:56] <blimpywastaken> httpredir.debian.org
• 672[04:22:06] <awal1_> tx: :)
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• 674[04:22:35] <somiaj> blimpywastaken: that should work. Maybe it is just redirecting you to a mirror that doesn't have ppc on it. I would look at a list of offical mirrors and put an actual mirror instead of a redirector there and see if that fixes it.
• 675[04:22:47] <blimpywastaken> hm
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• 677[04:22:48] <somiaj> blimpywastaken: maybe oysterboy can share the mirror that works for them.
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• 680[04:23:20] <oysterboy> I use the ca mirror
• 681[04:23:43] <HolyGud> hey guys i accidentally did the root terminal and put in the password with the checkbox to remember password on, and now it opens root all the time, how to fix this?
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• 683[04:25:52] <blimpywastaken> ca mirror?
• 684[04:26:03] <blimpywastaken> as in like, the mirror in california or one of the mirrors in canada
• 685[04:26:11] <awal1_> ca works fine for me all the time
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• 687[04:27:12] <somiaj> HolyGud: what desktop?
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• 689[04:27:36] <HolyGud> somiaj, lxde
• 690[04:27:38] <awal1_> blimpywastaken: deb replaced-url
• 691[04:27:53] <blimpywastaken> oh
• 692[04:28:08] <blimpywastaken> i just did ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/
• 693[04:28:10] <blimpywastaken> seems to work tho
• 694[04:28:22] <blimpywastaken> nope
• 695[04:28:22] <awal1_> change ca by your country code if you're not in Canada
• 696[04:28:28] <blimpywastaken> i'm in canada
• 697[04:28:31] <abrotman> probably don't use ftp:// ulness you have to, try to use replaced-url
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• 699[04:29:09] <blimpywastaken> what do i do about security.debian.org jessie/updates
• 700[04:29:15] <blimpywastaken> it seemed to 404
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• 702[04:29:33] <HolyGud> somiaj, any idea?
• 703[04:29:40] <somiaj> HolyGud: my assumption is it is stored in a config file in $HOME somewhere, but I woudlnt' know where, and google isn't giving me any hits.
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• 705[04:31:29] <awal1_> blimpywastaken, I guess you run apt/apt-get/aptitude update after changing the mirror (s)
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• 707[04:31:51] <blimpywastaken> diddit
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• 712[04:33:56] <somiaj> HolyGud: maybe grep -r password $HOME/ -- though that would put the password in your memory. You could also grep for part of it (not the whole thing) if you are worried. Or erase your history afterwards. (:
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• 716[04:34:57] <somiaj> HolyGud: you could also go start poking around config files until you find it.
• 717[04:35:09] <somiaj> blimpywastaken: I thought you said jessie/updates or the security mirror was working?
• 718[04:35:21] <blimpywastaken> oh wait yea
• 719[04:35:23] <somiaj> blimpywastaken: well now that you can install pastebinit, share your sources.list
• 720[04:35:27] <HolyGud> replaced-url
• 721[04:35:32] <blimpywastaken> i'
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• 723[04:35:45] <blimpywastaken> i'm downloading firmware-linux-nonfree first
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• 725[04:35:51] <blimpywastaken> then i'll pastebinit
• 726[04:36:07] <HolyGud> somiaj, says reboot should fix it lol
• 727[04:36:13] <HolyGud> gonna try it i suppose
• 728[04:36:17] <somiaj> HolyGud: depends on how it 'rembers' the password
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• 734[04:38:47] <HolyGud> somiaj, yeah it worked, lol
• 735[04:38:59] <HolyGud> luckily in my haste i clicked "For this session only"
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• 737[04:39:46] <blimpywastaken> somiaj: replaced-url
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• 741[04:40:51] <awal1_> blimpywastaken, looks good
• 742[04:41:01] <somiaj> blimpywastaken: and you say the security.debian.org is giving you 404 errors?
• 743[04:41:09] <blimpywastaken> was before
• 744[04:41:11] <blimpywastaken> isn't now
• 745[04:41:29] <blimpywastaken> i think i'm just sleep deprived and thought some spooky thing was going on
• 746[04:41:45] <blimpywastaken> probably i mistook httpredir for security
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• 751[04:44:57] <awal1_> blimpywastaken: you may want to remove unnecessary lines (5 & 7 and 1 & 3 if you don't install from cd); it's irrelevant but more aesthetic :P
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• 760[04:48:03] <somiaj> awal1_: notice the comment in front of the lines
• 761[04:48:35] <Anselmo> locate netinst
• 762[04:48:45] <Anselmo> ha wrong buffer. .
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• 764[04:48:51] <somiaj> Anselmo: do you want the offical or unoffical one with non-free firmware?
• 765[04:49:07] <awal1_> somiaj: I have seen that yeah
• 766[04:49:13] <Anselmo> t'was accidental . . I just wanted to see if I had one downloaded
• 767[04:49:18] <Anselmo> :P
• 768[04:49:37] <awal1_> they are line putten ther by the installer when one installs offline
• 769[04:49:39] <Anselmo> and as a matter of fact, I do
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• 811[05:32:10] <EnV> Hey guys im dual booting debian for the 3rd time today. Can someone help me with installing grub please
• 812[05:33:01] <somiaj> EnV: dual booting with what os?
• 813[05:33:09] <EnV> Windows10
• 814[05:33:30] <somiaj> legacy boot or efi, and are you wanting grub to be the bootloader for both windows and linux?
• 815[05:33:33] <EnV> Im literally losing my mind. Idk wth im doing wrong
• 816[05:34:01] <somiaj> !fixmbr
• 817[05:34:01] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
• 818[05:34:10] <EnV> I believe i had to turn off legacy to boot efi
• 819[05:34:10] <somiaj> that is the standard factoid to reinstall it from a recovery/live system.
• 820[05:34:37] <somiaj> botting efi is a bit different, if windows10 is also efi, you could have two different efi files in your efi partition and you shoudl be able to tell your firwmare which one to boot from.
• 821[05:34:44] <EnV> And i didnt honestly know i can use grub for both. I would love to do that
• 822[05:34:49] <somiaj> but just make sure you rlive system you use boots into efi
• 823[05:35:10] <somiaj> you can only recover an efi system from efi boot.
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• 828[05:38:14] <EnV> Heres what happend with my last install it asked if i wanted to install grub on my main partition and if i do that there may be a possibilty that it corrupts my windows os so i tried to avoid that by not installing it to that partition but it just skipped it. So then my deb kept going into rescue mode. So im reinstalling it again. Now do i install grub to the debian partition? Even if i want to use it with windows/debian?
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• 830[05:39:13] <somiaj> EnV: install grub to the main part of your disk
• 831[05:39:33] <somiaj> EnV: then install the package os-prober that should detect windows and you will have both linux and windows to choose from in grub's boot list
• 832[05:39:37] <EnV> The windows partition?
• 833[05:39:50] <somiaj> no the the disk (not the windows partition)
• 834[05:40:02] <somiaj> if in legacy it installs in the mbr portion of the disk
• 835[05:40:03] <EnV> So the one it suggests?
• 836[05:40:07] <somiaj> yes
• 837[05:40:15] <EnV> Ok. Thank you!
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• 950[07:05:25] <jasabella> hi
• 951[07:05:55] <jasabella> i've got a p4 3ghz prescott machine, is the i386 or amd64 kernel recommended?
• 952[07:06:11] <jasabella> (686 with pae --- although it only has 4gb of ram)
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• 957[07:07:10] <somiaj> jasabella: might depend on the p4, some support amd64 some don't.
• 958[07:07:24] <jasabella> it does support amd64
• 959[07:07:26] <somiaj> jasabella: and if it supports amd64 then the choice is what do you prefer.
• 960[07:07:35] <jasabella> but it's an early one
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• 962[07:08:18] <somiaj> jasabella: that shouln't matter. I would probably go amd64 if it was me, but that is just what i'm use to using.
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• 964[07:08:51] <awal1_> jasabella: go fo amd64, is faster, and i386 (32 bit) is going to be obsolete
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• 967[07:10:20] <awal1_> years ago people use i386 for compatibility reasons or bcuz the hardware have no support for amd64; nowadays it's different
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• 969[07:11:02] <somiaj> awal1_: there are still some things which 32bit can be better than 64 bit. They are both available and usable. 32bit is not going obsolete (At least anytime soon)
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• 974[07:13:26] <awal1_> somiaj: right, not yet, but in a few years maybe
• 975[07:14:00] <awal1_> I used 32 bit several years (pae kernel) but i switched to amd64 and I fell like the it's faster
• 976[07:14:26] <somiaj> awal1_: not even in a few years.
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• 980[07:16:18] <awal1_> somiaj: for whiich kind of stuff i386 may be better for example?
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• 987[07:18:38] <EnV> som
• 988[07:18:45] <awal1_> well, more than 50% of the "civilized" world still with old hardware and windows xp/7
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• 991[07:19:46] <somiaj> awal1_: there are costs for the extra address/bits that some rare cases 32bit may be better. Though this is rare. Application(s) and hardware are usually more the factor.
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• 993[07:20:21] <somiaj> EnV: you should keep your questions in here. What disk did grub want to install on, /dev/sda?
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• 995[07:21:17] <EnV> I apologize
• 996[07:21:32] <EnV> Sda1
• 997[07:21:58] <somiaj> you wanted to install it on /dev/sda I said the disk not the partition.
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• 999[07:22:34] <EnV> There was only 2 options. The hd and usb
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• 1001[07:22:43] <EnV> I selected hd
• 1002[07:23:07] <somiaj> were you booted in efi, in that case is /dev/sda1 the efi partition?
• 1003[07:23:52] <EnV> UEFI I think
• 1004[07:24:04] <awal1_> somiaj: ok, I get you
• 1005[07:24:45] <awal1_> EnV: if you tell us how you installed, partitioned and so will be nice
• 1006[07:24:46] <somiaj> EnV: so in that case grub installed in the efi partition and you need tell your firmware to boot from the .efi file placed there by grub.
• 1007[07:25:02] <somiaj> EnV: if you still have your usb drive pluged in you need to not use the efi partition on the drive, but the one on the hd.
• 1008[07:25:15] <somiaj> my firmware I can look trhough the efi partition and choose what .efi file to boot from
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• 1013[07:28:42] <EnV> replaced-url
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• 1015[07:28:55] <EnV> I took a screenshot/pic guys
• 1016[07:29:10] <EnV> hopefully this helps
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• 1019[07:29:59] <somiaj> EnV: yea /dev/sda1 is the efi file system, since you are using efi you now need to tell your firmware to boot from the efi file that grub should have installed there.
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• 1021[07:30:17] <EnV> Idk how to do that
• 1022[07:30:33] <EnV> I do that in rescue mode?
• 1023[07:30:37] <somiaj> EnV: depends on your firmware (use the setup options when you boot, search trhough your boot options, see if you can find a way to choose the efi file)
• 1024[07:31:04] <somiaj> since grub is failing to tell your efi to use the efi file it installed as default unsure if rescue mode will work.
• 1025[07:31:18] <somiaj> I woudl searhc through my firmwares configuration/setup options under boot menu and see what it allows you to configure
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• 1028[07:34:08] <awal1_> EnV: you are using manual partitioning ?
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• 1030[07:34:50] <EnV> Holy shhhhhh i think i got it!!!
• 1031[07:36:11] <awal1_> automated install does the job very well too
• 1032[07:36:41] <EnV> Ok now i typed my login in a terminal screen but now it says my username@host:~$
• 1033[07:36:46] <somiaj> seems the issue was just configuring the system to boot from teh correct efi file.
• 1034[07:36:54] <somiaj> maybe you haven't installed a display manager
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• 1037[07:37:24] <EnV> Is there something i can do from this screen?
• 1038[07:37:40] <somiaj> you are on a terminal, you can control the whole machine from there.
• 1039[07:37:44] <somiaj> did you install a desktop?
• 1040[07:38:00] <EnV> As far as i know yes
• 1041[07:38:19] <somiaj> which one?
• 1042[07:38:24] <EnV> I didnt uncheck desktop
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• 1044[07:39:05] <somiaj> what installer did you use? Netinstal? Did you have a network connenction during the install?
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• 1046[07:39:30] <hexnewbie> How do I boot the previous kernel? Is GRUB_DEFAULT="1 > 3" the magic I need?
• 1047[07:39:32] <somiaj> anyways, provided you installed the desktop sounds like something failed to run, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see what xorg had trouble with.
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• 1049[07:40:24] <hexnewbie> Or is it "1 > 2", I think the menuentry is the third one in the submenu
• 1050[07:40:51] <EnV> I used reg install for amd64 and there was no net. Ima type in that command now
• 1051[07:41:25] <somiaj> EnV: that isn't a command, that is a file, you can look at that file with less /var/log/Xorg.0.log and if less is not installed use more
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• 1057[07:44:27] <EnV> -bash: check: command not found
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• 1061[07:45:25] <emss> do the .orig.tar.gz packages contain the manual pages included in the .deb?
• 1062[07:45:44] <nkuttler> EnV: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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• 1064[07:45:56] <EnV> Sorry
• 1065[07:46:14] <nkuttler> emss: it depends i guess, sometimes upstream doesn't have a man page
• 1066[07:46:38] <EnV> Nothing
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• 1068[07:46:57] <EnV> No such file or dir.
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• 1070[07:47:11] <nkuttler> EnV: paste the command you used
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• 1072[07:48:06] <nkuttler> EnV: actually.. type startx
• 1073[07:48:28] <EnV> Less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
• 1074[07:48:37] <nkuttler> less, not Less
• 1075[07:49:03] <EnV> Yes. I know im texting u guys on my phone lols it autocaps
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• 1077[07:49:49] <EnV> Startx made everything tiny
• 1078[07:50:14] <EnV> And it froze i think
• 1079[07:50:34] <hexnewbie> less is sometimes missing after debootstrap, IIRC, or at least I have it in my cheatsheet for things mandatory to manually install (could be outdated). But a regular install should install it
• 1080[07:50:38] <nkuttler> EnV: try to right click with your mouse
• 1081[07:50:40] <EnV> It didnt. I had to click with mouse
• 1082[07:51:17] <EnV> It makes a white box with right click
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• 1084[07:51:34] <nkuttler> well, that's good, now kill x with ctrl-alt-backspace
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• 1086[07:51:53] <nkuttler> EnV: then apt install task-gnome-desktop gdm3, or whichever env you want
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• 1089[07:55:17] <EnV> it says xauthority does not exist when i exited startx
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• 1092[07:55:57] <EnV> xorg x server is on my terminal
• 1093[07:56:09] <nkuttler> EnV: doesn't matter, install a desktop
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• 1095[07:56:30] <EnV> i did already
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• 1100[07:59:40] <awal1_> you havent unchecked "debian desktop" durring install but you havent selected which one (gnome, kde...)? EnV
• 1101[07:59:55] <nkuttler> EnV: you did what?
• 1102[07:59:57] <EnV> it didnt as me
• 1103[08:00:30] <EnV> it had desktop and gnome checked so just continued
• 1104[08:00:43] <nkuttler> EnV: just type the command and see if anything happens
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• 1106[08:01:19] <EnV> which command i type all that u guys suggested
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• 1108[08:01:40] <nkuttler> EnV: apt install task-gnome-desktop gdm3
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• 1110[08:02:22] <awal1_> he said he checked "gnome" durring install
• 1111[08:02:30] <EnV> yea i typed that. it did nothing
• 1112[08:02:43] <nkuttler> EnV: service gdm3 start
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• 1114[08:03:22] <awal1_> EnV: what says aptitude versions gnome ?
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• 1116[08:04:35] <EnV> i typed apt and a sort of help came up
• 1117[08:05:17] <EnV> hey ok so i typed apt list and tons of stuff came up
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• 1120[08:07:10] <EnV> i typed apt update. theres y's going all the way down my screen after i typed yes
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• 1134[08:15:08] <awal1_> EnV: if you are not familiar with debian or any other gnu/Linux system, you " should" do a standard debian install, follow the recommended instructions (automated ones) and take your time for learn docs and try stuff first in a VM, instead of losing your time broking stuff and reinstalling all the time...
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• 1144[08:24:04] <EnV> i was using vmware. i was just trying to avoid it thats all
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• 1352[09:43:46] <Aebian> I did a big mistake on my debian server. I accidently removed the char 'r' of the user root in my /etc/passwd file. Now my sudo is not working anymore as it refers to the root user. is there any way to fix this without live cds? as its a server in a datacenter
• 1353[09:45:16] <Aebian> I did a big mistake on my debian server. I accidently removed the char 'r' of the user root in my /etc/passwd file. Now my sudo is not working anymore as it refers to the root user. is there any way to fix this without a live cd? there is no pass word for oot as the user normally does not exist
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• 1357[09:45:39] <teraflops> yeah we read the same 2 minutes ago...
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• 1361[09:46:26] <Aebian> I did a big mistake on my debian server. I accidently removed the char 'r' of the user root in my /etc/passwd file. Now my sudo is not working anymore as it refers to the root user. is there any way to fix this without a live cd? there is no pass word for oot as the user normally does not exist
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• 1390[09:51:10] <jelly> Aebian: unless you already have a root shell running somewhere, probably no. Use "vipw" to edit passwd and shadow file next time, if you really have to
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• 1392[09:51:43] <buu> jelly: help
• 1393[09:51:46] <buu> =
• 1394[09:51:53] <jelly> !ask
• 1395[09:51:54] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 1396[09:51:55] <buu> Also, I'm eating you, and you are delicious
• 1397[09:52:08] <jelly> buu: ^^
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• 1400[09:52:21] <buu> I need a brilliant way to make an 8port esata multiplier performance not drop to 100kbps
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• 1402[09:52:34] <jelly> ##hardware ?
• 1403[09:53:19] <jelly> put in a controller with enough actual sata ports?
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• 1409[09:54:44] <buu> It's not the ports it's powering the disks
• 1410[09:55:01] <buu> Well, it's kind of all of it
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• 1432[10:03:29] <buu> jelly: On a more serious note do you know of any way to tell if a sata expansion card supports fis?
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• 1435[10:04:00] <Aebian> jelly: I'll check with the noVNC console later to fix this. If thats not gonna work I may need to ask my server host to reboot with a live cd and correct from there
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• 1444[10:07:16] <wlan3> I need a graphical cpu/mem/network graph that works well with 64 threads. A user asked for gnome-system-monitor, but doesn't do the trick for such amount of cores.
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• 1448[10:09:02] <buu> htop
• 1449[10:09:03] <buu> always htop
• 1450[10:09:17] <Ticho> atop is nice as well, but for different reasons
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• 1520[10:43:06] <beardyname> So I'm having a machine go belly up after running for like ~6 days, it never fails
• 1521[10:43:21] <beardyname> working perfectly until that 6th day, and then it freezez
• 1522[10:43:25] <beardyname> where do i start to look?
• 1523[10:43:34] <beardyname> stopping services until i find the perpetraitor?
• 1524[10:43:34] <beardyname> or
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• 1526[10:44:01] <wlan3> Anything weird at dmesg?
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• 1528[10:44:50] <beardyname> not sure if i would call it weird but yeah
• 1529[10:45:00] <beardyname> error message from my telldus stick
• 1530[10:45:19] <beardyname> process 2872 telldusd did not claim interface
• 1531[10:45:20] <digdilem> beardyname, yeah, dmesg or syslog quick places to check. Also use something like Munin to monitor various things to look for patterns. But I bet it's a memory leak.
• 1532[10:45:37] <digdilem> eitehr memory leak or runaway processes with something spawning new processes which aren't quitting.
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• 1534[10:45:55] <beardyname> my guess as well :/
• 1535[10:46:23] <digdilem> check memory and number of processes on day 1, then again on day 4?
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• 1537[10:46:30] <beardyname> I'll install munin and see if i can spot any differences
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• 1539[10:47:16] <digdilem> last syslog before freeze should show if oomkiller has been deployed, denoting lack of free memory.
• 1540[10:48:54] <jelly> beardyname: what does "freeze" mean? Does it stop reacting to keyboard and mouse? Can you ping it? Does SysRq work?
• 1541[10:49:08] <beardyname> none of the above
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• 1543[10:49:12] <beardyname> except for sysrq
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• 1545[10:49:18] <beardyname> because i don't know what that is :)
• 1546[10:49:49] <beardyname> I think i know what it is
• 1547[10:50:13] <beardyname> zoneminder
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• 1550[10:51:19] <beardyname> or maybe not
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• 1552[10:51:53] <beardyname> replaced-url
• 1553[10:52:40] <jelly> !sysrq
• 1554[10:52:40] <dpkg> methinks sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-[Key]. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try [Key] with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See replaced-url
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• 1557[10:53:33] <beardyname> but before that there does seem to be a lack of memory
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• 1559[10:54:18] * jamesl thought it was r-e-i-s-u-b
• 1560[10:54:42] <jamesl> e and i kill all processes first
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• 1562[10:55:28] <beardyname> I'm gonna leave zoneminder stopped for now
• 1563[10:55:48] <jamesl> I'm backing up /etc and /home to a USB stick for an offline backup. Should I delete the passwd and shadow file from the backup, or leave passwd and shadow on the USB stick?
• 1564[10:56:14] <jamesl> I think it's a security risk to leave passwd and shadow on there
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• 1575[11:03:08] <wlan3> jamesl: why would it? passwd lists users and shadow has hashed salted passwords.
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• 1579[11:04:15] <jamesl> if someone gets your shadow file, they can do rapid offline cracking indefinitely. I saw a post on security.stackexchange that someone getting hod of your shadow files is a very bad thing
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• 1581[11:06:55] <wlan3> Having weak passwords there is what lets them do rapid offline cracking.
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• 1583[11:07:06] <deepy> unencrypted backups :-)?
• 1584[11:07:57] <Shadur> wlan3: No, having access to the salted hashes lets them do rapid online cracking.
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• 1586[11:08:10] <jamesl> offline*
• 1587[11:08:13] <Shadur> Weak passwords make it *easier*, but without the hashes they can't start.
• 1588[11:08:15] <Shadur> Offline, right.
• 1589[11:08:22] <bolt> jamesl: this all comes down to risk analysis
• 1590[11:08:27] <jamesl> if they have the shadow file on their own PC, they can crack it as fast as they like
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• 1593[11:09:11] <bolt> jamesl: how likely is it that someone copies or steals your usb stick? if they did, would you notice? would they at that point have physical access to the server, able to insert their own users anyway? is asking your users to reset their passwords if you were to restore a backup ok? etc etc
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• 1598[11:10:18] <unitelife> helo
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• 1600[11:10:24] <bolt> jamesl: there's not a best answer for your question, as general as it is. you have to do a proper analysis of your own situation. also, like deepy hinted at, consider encrypting your backups. and testing them. always. test. your. backups.
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• 1602[11:10:42] <jamesl> an untested backup is no backup, yes
• 1603[11:11:18] <jamesl> should I also test my long-term WORM backups (probably CDs) every month or so to ensure they haven't degraded?
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• 1605[11:11:32] <Shadur> Depending on circumstances, having all of /etc can be a lot worse than just the shadow table, mind - cracking the salted hashes will take a while, but depending on how you configured various services - and they now know EXACTLY how you configured them - there could be all sorts of access methods now. For instance, the database passwords for your radius or powerdns services, the port and secret that your pdn
• 1606[11:11:38] <Shadur> s remote socket listens on and for...
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• 1608[11:11:58] <Shadur> ... Your SSL certificates and private key...
• 1609[11:12:16] <jamesl> yeah, I should probably encrypt my backup
• 1610[11:12:19] <jamesl> backups
• 1611[11:12:23] <Shadur> Your /SSH/ private host key...
• 1612[11:12:37] <jamesl> my SMB password
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• 1615[11:13:15] <jamesl> my LDAP password is fortunately *not* in /etc, I chose to type it manually each time instead of having it in plaintext there
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• 1617[11:13:52] <Shadur> jamesl: I don't have that option - manglement requires all servers to be able to come up from a cold boot unattended.
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• 1619[11:14:35] <jamesl> maybe I should make 2 partitions on my USB stick, a 500MB partition for miscellaneous Windows files (passphrase protected SSH key and putty portable), and a 3.5GB encrypted ext4 partition for backups
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• 1628[11:18:27] <menace> anyone notices that kde plasma freezes on debian testing when firefox/icedove are started? sometimes even only with pidgin.. i start to think it could be some gtk problem?
• 1629[11:18:50] <nkuttler> !tell menace about debian-next
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• 1638[11:21:46] <menace> nkuttler: thanks! :)
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• 1689[11:49:52] <john_x> what on earth could cause extremely "choking" ssh output to some debian host (lxc container) while there not being an issue with new connections at all, and overall just responsive sesssions?
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• 1694[11:51:05] <buu> cpu congestion or network congestion, presumably
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• 1696[11:51:12] <john_x> ie. I am receiving the output of some tar -xvzf process and it does have 16k files lol but still the entire thing hangs on that.
• 1697[11:51:20] <buu> hangs?
• 1698[11:51:33] <john_x> yeah pretty much no output, maybe a little every once in a while.
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• 1700[11:51:52] <john_x> I mean the process stalls on the output too.
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• 1704[11:54:33] <tomreyn> could also be storage I/O, lack of entropy
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• 1706[11:55:10] <tomreyn> so pretty much anything. 'steal' in vmstat / top output might hint at it. but really talk to your host.
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• 1710[11:57:36] <john_x> no the issue is with the container's connection, I guess it is a firewall issue of some sort but I wouldn't know yet. The "host" of the container doesn't see the issue while entering the container through the lxc-console.
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• 1716[11:59:39] <john_x> the container is internal, masqueraded/port forwarded, so I guess I should look into that but not sure what could ever cause it...
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• 1718[12:00:27] <tomreyn> test your throughput with iperf
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• 1721[12:03:06] <tomreyn> compare it to that of the non-'cointainerized' network stack, if they differ, compare network device, link and stack/layer configurations
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• 1730[12:09:45] <pksadiq> dpkg: stretch
• 1731[12:09:46] <dpkg> The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: replaced-url
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• 1751[12:19:45] <john_x> tomreyn: I guess it was just the firewall... I use a "user friendly" package that has fallen into decay so to speak while adding rules of my own to complete the setup. Ocassionally I forget to rerun my script to fix that. I couldn't easily hook into it but I guess I know a way to do it...
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• 1754[12:20:31] <john_x> tomreyn: I thought my rules were not essential but I guess they are then. Anyway, fixing it now... thanks.
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• 1772[12:29:07] <tomreyn> glad you worked it out
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• 1774[12:29:30] <john_x> thanks.
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• 1847[13:04:23] <AlexPortable> Is there brotli compression in the apache version for debian?
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• 1869[13:18:11] <jelly> AlexPortable: apache in stable is from 2015 or slightly earlier, but support was still being in developent as late as October 2016... so, no. replaced-url
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• 1871[13:18:33] <AlexPortable> When will it get into debian stable?
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• 1875[13:20:54] <jelly> if I have to guess, probably when it gets into stable 2.4.x apache branch
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• 1897[13:37:23] <amdp> hi all windows in guis, like installations or aptitude, have strange characters, like ààààààààà
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• 1900[13:37:53] <john_x> utf8 -> iso...., your terminal is not set to utf8
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• 1902[13:38:29] <john_x> or if you are using putty
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• 1907[13:39:51] <amdp> john ok now the terminal goes fine
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• 1913[13:41:07] <amdp> thank you.. there are still some strange signs in the scrolling bars
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• 1916[13:42:18] <john_x> I don't know about that.
• 1917[13:42:31] <amdp> ok thank you in any case! :-)
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• 1955[14:08:14] <john_x> Yes so I accidentally delete the wrong file. Immediately create a snapshot, but only have 100M available. For some reason on a non-busy server within a minute it fills up even though there is no activity whatsoever except for the usual break-in attempts.
• 1956[14:08:43] <john_x> LVM starts suidicing as usual now that it is filled and I cannot read from it. The next snapshot with more space is already too late and the space has been reallocated, no trace left :(.
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• 1959[14:11:34] <john_x> All this wasted time because you use Linux :p.... :(. :).
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• 2003[14:29:01] <XATRIX> Hi, is there any ISO distribution with a minimal setup, but not network ?
• 2004[14:29:20] <cromag> hi, i am trying to get netflow from a debian8 box to a netflow collector/nfsen but i seem to fail a bit. When starting uacctd i get: ERROR ( default/core ): Failed to create Netlink ULOG socket
• 2005[14:29:27] <XATRIX> as for example, centos minimal, is autonomous installation cd. doesn
• 2006[14:29:36] <XATRIX> require network
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• 2008[14:31:39] <iflema> XATRIX: are you after a small download size?
• 2009[14:31:59] <XATRIX> i need networkless installation mode
• 2010[14:32:16] <iflema> XATRIX: all of them
• 2011[14:32:27] <iflema> all the mainones
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• 2013[14:32:56] <XATRIX> em, didn't get a question
• 2014[14:33:00] <c-c> XATRIX: the base netinstall
• 2015[14:33:24] <XATRIX> sorry, but i have no internet connection on a target machine
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• 2017[14:34:10] <c-c> XATRIX: I thought you wanted an ISO with minimal setup, debian netinstall is that
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• 2019[14:34:51] <iflema> XATRIX: have a look at debian.org
• 2020[14:34:57] <Scuttle> netinstall requires an internet-conenction, does it not?
• 2021[14:35:23] <XATRIX> ok, let me rephrase my question :)
• 2022[14:35:26] <c-c> it is an image
• 2023[14:35:34] <XATRIX> actually i need offline minimal installer
• 2024[14:35:52] <XATRIX> Scuttle: yeap, so it's not my way i'm looking for
• 2025[14:35:59] <Scuttle> I would just get the first few debian isos, then do a minimal install
• 2026[14:36:02] <c-c> this is an offline minimal installer replaced-url
• 2027[14:36:11] <c-c> The Official One
• 2028[14:36:24] <XATRIX> alright, let's try
• 2029[14:36:26] <c-c> hint: you may want to choose the version with firmware included
• 2030[14:36:27] <Scuttle> c-c: "This single CD contains just the minimal amount of software to start the installation and fetch the remaining packages over the Internet."
• 2031[14:36:27] <XATRIX> thanks
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• 2034[14:36:33] <Scuttle> so, no, that won't work offline
• 2035[14:36:46] <XATRIX> yeap :(
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• 2037[14:37:00] <XATRIX> i need to install a minimal system, but offline
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• 2041[14:37:12] <iflema> get DVD1
• 2042[14:37:24] <Scuttle> replaced-url
• 2043[14:37:27] <Scuttle> get those, be happy
• 2044[14:38:20] <iflema> or get *cough* not *cough* the live image and install that
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• 2050[14:40:21] <Scuttle> running my own repo here, so I can always install offline :)
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• 2094[14:51:31] <unborn> Scuttle: same here... how about software repos.. I am trying to mirror it but since no git provided - im doing it via rsync in oldest possible way... how you do it if you dont mind me to asking you...
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• 2110[14:57:14] <unborn> my purpose is to build up git repo with all software - latest all synced with latest release however I cannot do it as debian does not support it.. - so private repos would be nice however it wont be the latest.. any way to get around this issue? :) massive thanks
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• 2115[14:59:02] <Scuttle> unborn: you mean debian repos?
• 2116[14:59:17] <unborn> Scuttle: yeah..
• 2117[14:59:24] <Scuttle> apt-mirror
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• 2119[15:00:05] <unborn> been there.. in apt-mirror - I was not able to reproduce useful info for next git.. sorry
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• 2122[15:01:03] <Scuttle> oh, you want to put them in git repos? that I don't know how to do
• 2123[15:01:23] <Scuttle> I mirror the main debian repo, a few other apt-repos and a few non-apt ones
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• 2125[15:01:45] <unborn> Scuttle: its all fine.. I ended up to write my own read me files for this one..
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• 2129[15:02:56] <Scuttle> mirroring the raspberry pi-repos using rsync, a bit clunky, but it works
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• 2135[15:04:03] <unborn> yeah Scuttle but what I would do is mirroring debian gits - so all documentations and steps are mirroring as well.. not just plain bold blind repos..
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• 2142[15:04:35] <Scuttle> I see
• 2143[15:04:39] <Scuttle> never looked into that...
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• 2145[15:04:42] <unborn> Scuttle: rsync works for me too.. but - it should be more then syncing the dirs..
• 2146[15:04:45] <curious_> anyone knows about cybrary.com
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• 2151[15:05:44] <unborn> - site is dead
• 2152[15:05:46] <unborn> .
• 2153[15:05:54] <curious_> but i can access it
• 2154[15:06:24] <curious_> it is a site for learning about infosec, cybersecurity and all about computers for free
• 2155[15:06:33] <Scuttle> unborn: you want the history?
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• 2157[15:07:01] <unborn> Scuttle: nope.. - if you look at the dns.. site is dead.
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• 2159[15:07:21] <Scuttle> unborn: nono, I was talking about the debian mirroring stuff
• 2160[15:07:50] <unborn> ah yeah - anything helps to git then yes please!
• 2161[15:08:11] <curious_> what could be the best one stop place to learn about infosec for a newbie ?
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• 2163[15:08:37] <unborn> curious_: - the code obviously :)
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• 2172[15:11:41] <curious_> has anyone used TAILS os?
• 2173[15:12:19] <jelly> curious_: best one stop place is scheneier's books
• 2174[15:12:30] <jelly> only half-joking
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• 2177[15:13:51] <firefighter> Hello, I have a resolution problem of some sort on Debian 8.5 login. Is this the right place to ask for some help?
• 2178[15:14:15] <jelly> firefighter: yes
• 2179[15:14:24] <firefighter> Hi jelly, thanks
• 2180[15:14:47] <firefighter> I have a multiboot system and debian 8.5 installed.
• 2181[15:15:10] <firefighter> The login screen is gigantic. Icon and text and entry fields
• 2182[15:15:48] <firefighter> I figured it was low resolution. I go ahead and enter my login and boot to the desktop and the background it great
• 2183[15:16:04] <firefighter> the icons are correct size but the text has boxes
• 2184[15:16:08] <jelly> so it's just on the login screen?
• 2185[15:16:24] <jelly> which desktop environment, the default gnome?
• 2186[15:16:36] <firefighter> No. If I right click for a menu, the text is gigantic there too
• 2187[15:16:37] <petn-randall> ,checkbackport virtinst
• 2188[15:16:38] <judd> Backporting package virtinst in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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• 2190[15:16:51] <firefighter> Yes default
• 2191[15:17:05] <firefighter> Although I installed some others with tasksel
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• 2236[15:38:58] <treaki__> hi folks, strange situation
• 2237[15:39:13] <dschense> anybody who could help me with pci passthrough to kvm vm? its working on first boot, but after restarting vm passthrough is not working.
• 2238[15:39:30] <dschense> just a host reboot gets the passthrough running again.
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• 2243[15:42:46] <treaki__> as i mentioned before i have reinstalled debian on my thinkpad
• 2244[15:42:50] <blackTree> OHH God thanks
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• 2246[15:43:03] <blackTree> finally
• 2247[15:43:03] <treaki__> now i am woundering why the one user dosent have access to the soundcard but the otherone dose...
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• 2249[15:43:21] <treaki__> but none of them are in the audio group (default installation debbootstrap)
• 2250[15:43:34] <blackTree> i have a question on using debian image on qemu emulator
• 2251[15:44:15] <blackTree> my debian image dns is not working on qemu emulator
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• 2255[15:44:57] <blackTree> i have been googling this two days
• 2256[15:45:18] <blackTree> no luck
• 2257[15:45:24] <blackTree> pls guys help me
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• 2263[15:48:14] <treaki__> replaced-url
• 2264[15:48:31] <treaki__> so as i see it both users shouldnt have access but why dose one have?
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• 2266[15:49:17] <treaki__> blackTree, dns server or dns client?
• 2267[15:49:54] <blackTree> dns client
• 2268[15:49:58] <blackTree> treaki__:
• 2269[15:50:06] <treaki__> blackTree, if client check that your /etc/resolv.conf is set correct (or any service that is setting it)
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• 2271[15:50:19] <blackTree> it is set correctly
• 2272[15:50:25] <blackTree> to google nameserver
• 2273[15:50:30] <blackTree> treaki__:
• 2274[15:50:48] <treaki__> can you ping it?
• 2275[15:50:53] <blackTree> yes
• 2276[15:51:01] <blackTree> i can ping ip address but not hostname
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• 2279[15:51:14] <blackTree> treaki__:
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• 2281[15:51:26] <treaki__> can you discribe your setup in more detail
• 2282[15:51:38] <blackTree> ok
• 2283[15:51:44] <friesenpeter> treaki__: That paste doesn't show why bot should have access to the device. What are the members of the audio group?
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• 2286[15:52:12] <vxla> good day. Does anyone know where I can report a bug in atftpd?
• 2287[15:52:24] <treaki> friesenpeter, there is none in the audiogroup
• 2288[15:52:27] <vxla> directly to the debian folk or ... /
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• 2290[15:52:40] <treaki> but pulse
• 2291[15:52:40] <blackTree> first install qemu, then run qemu-system-mips with debian squeez image
• 2292[15:52:54] <blackTree> for networking i use tap interface
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• 2294[15:53:00] <blackTree> everything is ok
• 2295[15:53:06] <treaki> on which host?
• 2296[15:53:09] <blackTree> except dns
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• 2298[15:53:18] <treaki> i dont have that much expirience with mips...
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• 2300[15:53:36] <blackTree> the problem is not with mips
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• 2304[15:54:22] <blackTree> the /etc/resolve.con has <nameserver 8.8.8.8>
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• 2306[15:54:33] <blackTree> i can ping google ip
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• 2308[15:54:39] <blackTree> but not ping replaced-url
• 2309[15:54:49] <treaki> what do you mean by tun, dont you just have used the -net switch of qemu...
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• 2311[15:54:57] <abrotman> I hope you mean /etc/resolv.conf
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• 2314[15:55:17] <blackTree> yea
• 2315[15:55:42] <treaki> what are the -net parameters?
• 2316[15:55:43] <blackTree> ok let me show u
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• 2319[15:55:58] <blackTree> qemu-system-mips -M malta -kernel vmlinux-2.6.32-5-4kc-malta -hda debian_squeeze_mips_standard.qcow2 -net nic -net tap,ifname=tap0,script=no, downscript=no -append "root=/dev/sda1 console=tty0" -nographic
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• 2321[15:56:07] <blackTree> treaki:
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• 2325[15:56:47] <blackTree> did i miss something in order to work the dns
• 2326[15:56:47] <treaki> friesenpeter, $ grep audio /etc/group
• 2327[15:56:48] <treaki> audio:x:29:pulse
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• 2330[15:57:21] <blackTree> treaki: pls help me
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• 2332[15:57:33] <blackTree> 2 days
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• 2334[15:57:50] <treaki> normaly in virtualisation dns is a high level protocol, and should work if lower level ip is working correctly...
• 2335[15:57:51] <blackTree> i am figuring out to solve this problems
• 2336[15:57:54] <treaki> (acording to osi)
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• 2338[15:58:23] <blackTree> what are the possible reasons
• 2339[15:58:25] <treaki> whats that tap0, is it from there possible to reach the dns?
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• 2341[15:58:37] <treaki> possible reason: a firewall maybe
• 2342[15:58:50] <blackTree> from host i can ping
• 2343[15:58:59] <blackTree> only from guest that doesn't work
• 2344[15:59:01] <friesenpeter> treaki: I think your logged in user may have the access and the switched user might not. Would you mind to try to add the user "steamie" to the audio group?
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• 2346[15:59:29] <treaki> could you for instance once try out -net user to rule out that it has to be something with qemu?
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• 2348[15:59:47] <blackTree> ok
• 2349[16:00:02] <treaki> friesenpeter, first of all i would like to know why the treaki user had access to that file but wasnt in the group
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• 2352[16:00:28] <treaki> how is it possible that that could happen, itsa against i have learned about unix rights system...
• 2353[16:00:40] <treaki> where is that logon rights thing defined/documented?
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• 2357[16:01:37] <friesenpeter> treaki: the shell where the command worked might have had a "sg audio" or your graphical login manager might have setup the permissions for it
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• 2359[16:01:55] <treaki> "sg audio"?
• 2360[16:02:06] <friesenpeter> "sg - swtich group"
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• 2363[16:03:32] <treaki> i am using startx for one and slim for the otherone
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• 2366[16:04:03] <treaki> ok where is that switch group configured?
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• 2369[16:04:42] <friesenpeter> It's more a command you might have had entered beforehand.
• 2370[16:05:01] <friesenpeter> try maybe a "id" call on the shell where it works
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• 2375[16:05:38] <blackTree> treaki: not working <ping:unkonw host replaced-url
• 2376[16:05:48] <blackTree> how can i debug this problem
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• 2378[16:05:51] <treaki> how can i list all groups that i have access to do to things like sg?
• 2379[16:06:06] <abrotman> treaki: "groups"
• 2380[16:06:19] <blackTree> i have a big project that matter my life
• 2381[16:06:42] <treaki> blackTree, so you can ping 8.8.8.8 on host and guest with -net user but not resolv hosts on the guest?
• 2382[16:06:54] <blackTree> yea
• 2383[16:07:03] <treaki> you could try to run tcpdump on host/guest to see which packages are there.
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• 2385[16:07:04] <asti> hello
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• 2388[16:07:19] <treaki> also you can use a more sophisticated dns client like dig
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• 2390[16:07:58] <blackTree> can you elaborate it more the tcpdump thing
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• 2392[16:08:05] <blackTree> treaki:
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• 2395[16:08:28] <asti> I'm getting an error: `E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)`
• 2396[16:08:31] <asti> how do I fix that?
• 2397[16:09:11] <treaki> tcpdump (maybe with some -v to see more output) on an interface with -i displays packages going to as readable text
• 2398[16:09:17] <friesenpeter> asti: look further upwards, that is a result check
• 2399[16:09:38] <treaki> so its a grate tool to boil down any network issues
• 2400[16:09:50] <treaki> try man tcpdump (after install)
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• 2402[16:10:28] <treaki> and then just start it and watch the output while generating some network treffic, its best to learn how to use it
• 2403[16:10:38] <asti> when I do `journalctl -xn` it tells me that `journal files were not found`
• 2404[16:10:39] <treaki> dig is a dns client, you can read its man page to...
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• 2406[16:10:50] <asti> how can I enable journal logging?
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• 2410[16:11:02] <blackTree> treaki: this is amazing
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• 2412[16:11:14] <treaki> ;)
• 2413[16:11:41] <blackTree> treaki: i don't how but after i run dig 8.8.8.8 it works ping replaced-url
• 2414[16:11:56] <friesenpeter> asti: I think you need to be a privilieged user to call journalctl, i.e. try "sudo ..." or first "su" to gain root access
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• 2416[16:12:07] <treaki> and you didnt changed anything?
• 2417[16:12:10] <treaki> strange...
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• 2419[16:12:20] <blackTree> i don't change any thing
• 2420[16:12:35] <blackTree> on host i run tcpdump -v -i tap0
• 2421[16:12:42] <friesenpeter> blackTree: A negative dns answer might have been cached
• 2422[16:12:46] <blackTree> then boom..... what is this
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• 2425[16:13:07] <treaki> dig is just a client which didnt changes anything in config...
• 2426[16:13:28] <treaki> friesenpeter, right,thats possible but isnt the cache flushed on system restart?
• 2427[16:13:31] <blackTree> treaki: so what should i do next time i boot the system again
• 2428[16:13:38] <blackTree> run dig
• 2429[16:13:51] <treaki> try to reset your old configuration and check if it is working then
• 2430[16:14:09] <blackTree> which configrations
• 2431[16:14:15] <treaki> no, dig was just meant for analysing the dns request in more detail
• 2432[16:14:24] <kuldeep> Hello, can anybody help me verify my debian/ content replaced-url
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• 2434[16:14:54] <treaki> normaly it should work just fine from the boot if the resolve.conf is set correct and the network itnerface is up and running correctly in a network where it is possible to access the dns server...
• 2435[16:15:09] <treaki> so maybe it was a bad cache entry after all
• 2436[16:15:26] <kuldeep> note: "box0" the "0" is **not** related to versioning but "box0" is actually product/brand name.
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• 2438[16:15:51] <kuldeep> and my code use cmake for building.
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• 2441[16:16:27] <blackTree> treaki: am also facing another problem
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• 2443[16:16:32] <blackTree> when i run apt-get update
• 2444[16:16:42] <blackTree> i got those errors Unable to connect to ftp.debian.org:http: [IP: 130.89.148.12 80]
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• 2446[16:16:58] <somiaj> blackTree: can you paste your sources.list at paste.debian.net
• 2447[16:16:58] <blackTree> and W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
• 2448[16:17:03] <blackTree> treaki:
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• 2453[16:17:48] <treaki> blackTree, 130.89.148.12 lookes like a valid debian mirror, can you ping it, are the packages correctly forwarded (check with tcpdump on host and guest)
• 2454[16:18:11] <blackTree> ok
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• 2456[16:18:21] <blackTree> i can ping it
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• 2458[16:19:07] <kuldeep> also, libbox0 v0.3.0 (semver), and interface as in libbox0.so.2.0.0
• 2459[16:19:19] <treaki> friesenpeter, i can still use the sound device from the treaki user but there is also no mention of audio from 'id'
• 2460[16:19:36] <blackTree> on guest i dont' have tcpdump treaki:
• 2461[16:20:12] <kuldeep> anyone?
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• 2463[16:20:53] <treaki> kuldeep, i dont even know what libbox0 is...
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• 2470[16:21:23] <kuldeep> treaki, replaced-url
• 2471[16:21:25] <treaki> blackTree, but are there any mention of that ip on the host tcpdump output while pinging...
• 2472[16:21:41] <Epakai> kuldeep: i'd just use the automated tools like lintian, you can also upload to mentors.debian.net, it gives some automated feedback
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• 2474[16:22:37] <treaki> kuldeep, have you asked the developers of that software, i guess thats more suitable for a compiling issue with that...
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• 2476[16:22:42] <blackTree> how can i filter thos packets treaki:
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• 2478[16:22:49] <Epakai> kuldeep: if you're actually packaging to be included in debian check out #debian-mentors on the OFTC network
• 2479[16:22:58] <kuldeep> treaki, im the developer.
• 2480[16:22:59] <treaki> just pipe it to grep after disabling name resolution...
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• 2482[16:23:19] <treaki> allright... than its beond my knowledge...
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• 2484[16:24:02] <kuldeep> thanks Epakai for the "mentors" thing. lemme checkout
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• 2486[16:24:37] <blackTree> treaki: now i run again apt-get update and i am able to fetched 15.6 MB but got 2 errors
• 2487[16:24:54] <blackTree> 1 There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
• 2488[16:24:54] <blackTree> 9D6D8F6BC857C906
• 2489[16:25:08] <blackTree> 2. W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
• 2490[16:25:11] <treaki> can you ping all hosts mentioned in the sources.list*?
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• 2493[16:25:21] <blackTree> 3. E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
• 2494[16:25:32] <treaki> if there anything that is not reachable even on a system with correct working internet connection remove them...
• 2495[16:25:43] <blackTree> treaki: it may give a little hint
• 2496[16:25:54] <treaki> also remove any thing that is in there without a reason you dont know and redo an apt update
• 2497[16:26:51] <treaki> how have you installed these debian, normaly all official keys should be included...
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• 2503[16:29:40] <treaki> friesenpeter, ok, i now just add both user to the audio group and it is working, but i still would like to know how it has been possible that one of that users had access to the thing without being in it...
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• 2507[16:32:05] <friesenpeter> treaki: that is indeed a good question. If you are determined you'll find an answer and if not you'll learn something along the way. I think there are things like PAM and polkit involved
• 2508[16:32:21] <dschense> anybody who knows how to survive pci passthrough in kvm? passthrough stop working after vm restart. just host reboot fix the passthrough.
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• 2513[16:33:20] <treaki> friesenpeter, yea all that complicated PAM gives me me the creep, maybe i will find out sometime, for now its just another mistery of a much to complex (to be understood) system
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• 2516[16:33:57] <treaki> dschense, have you asked #kvm ?
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• 2522[16:34:46] <treaki> its maybe a more kvm related question then related to debian...
• 2523[16:35:03] <treaki> friesenpeter, thanks for your help so far
• 2524[16:35:21] <dschense> treaki, jep, alredy in. but i though maybe u guys can give me a hint.
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• 2526[16:36:14] <dschense> ive already tried to unbind the pci from host and bind it again, but this is not working. the pci device is in the vm, but vm is not booting because of initializing the pci card. endless loop
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• 2529[16:36:32] <treaki> i never done such things jet, just heared about that it is very rugh do to many pci hardware is bad implemented and dosnt work correctly as it should
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• 2532[16:37:17] <treaki> maybe you need to go throug /sys fs to that card and send some reset
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• 2535[16:37:22] <dschense> this is the state after vm reboot i get stuck: replaced-url
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• 2540[16:38:33] <dschense> echo "1" > /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:07:00.0/reset does not help at all :(
• 2541[16:38:36] <treaki> thats also a way of doing a screenshot...
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• 2543[16:38:48] <dschense> iam on mobile ;)
• 2544[16:39:10] <treaki> yea it was just a bad idea from someone who isnt in that much in that kind of things...
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• 2547[16:40:01] <dschense> no problem at all ;) maybe someone else out there who rules pci passthrough stuff XD
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• 2551[16:40:48] <treaki> dschense, try out jabber/xmpp with good working clients like gajim or conversation ;) works grate even on mobile netwokrs
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• 2555[16:41:18] <dschense> treaki, i will do. thx
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• 2557[16:42:09] <treaki> earlyer i had to copy screenshots onto my phone using sftp now i am just sending them to my self using xmpp ;)
• 2558[16:42:13] <blackTree> treaki: thank you very much i solved my problme i think the solutions was addin -net user to parameters
• 2559[16:42:20] <treaki> that http upload feature is grate
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• 2561[16:42:35] <hark3> hy
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• 2564[16:43:10] <treaki> blackTree, of cause youll need a network with working internet connection, i have asumed the whole time that your tun0 has got a suitable gateway with working dhcp...
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• 2566[16:43:29] <hark3> did anybody help me out here to code
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• 2569[16:43:39] <hark3> writing root exploits
• 2570[16:44:03] <treaki> no hark3 we are all nice people who dont want to blackhat...
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• 2572[16:44:33] <treaki> better try living your live the honest way..
• 2573[16:44:55] <blackTree> treaki: i followed some tutorial it works for him but not forme
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• 2576[16:45:13] <hark3> what tuts
• 2577[16:45:17] <hark3> blacktree?
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• 2579[16:45:34] <blackTree> hark3:
• 2580[16:45:36] <blackTree> yes
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• 2582[16:46:03] <hark3> linux geek ?
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• 2591[16:47:55] <unborn> writing root exploids? - for that and who? - consider this as no..
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• 2599[16:51:13] <treaki> eir, why deopeing yourself?
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• 2615[16:56:10] <petn-randall> hark3: Are you running Kali?
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• 2619[16:57:31] <feliks> im on a new debian jessie install and want to install grub-pc from 'testing', but it doesn't want to install correctly:
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• 2621[16:57:36] <feliks> curl replaced-url
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• 2623[16:58:10] <petn-randall> !frankendebian
• 2624[16:58:10] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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• 2627[16:58:18] <petn-randall> feliks: Don't mix stable and testing. ^^^
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• 2629[16:58:50] <feliks> i tried apt pinning like described here: replaced-url
• 2630[16:58:58] <feliks> petn-randall: i NEED to. otherwise my system wont boot
• 2631[16:59:16] <petn-randall> feliks: It's better if you tell us about the problem you're trying to solve, not what you think is the solution.
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• 2635[17:00:19] <feliks> i am trying get grub to correctly recognize my zfs rootfs that lies on top of multiple raw luks disks
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• 2637[17:00:56] <feliks> this feature was fixed in grub version ~2.02~beta2-30 something
• 2638[17:01:14] <feliks> therefore i need to install a newer version of grub, namely the version from the testing repository
• 2639[17:01:42] <petn-randall> ,v grub-pc
• 2640[17:01:43] <judd> Package: grub-pc on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.99-27+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1.99-27+deb7u3; jessie: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; sid: 2.02~beta3-3; stretch: 2.02~beta3-3
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• 2644[17:02:16] <petn-randall> feliks: Do you have a link to the bug report?
• 2645[17:02:26] <feliks> petn-randall: sec
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• 2647[17:03:25] <feliks> petn-randall: replaced-url
• 2648[17:03:26] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2652[17:05:02] <jamesl> ,v linux-image-amd64
• 2653[17:05:03] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.8+77~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.8+77; sid: 4.8+77
• 2654[17:05:16] <jamesl> jessie's still on 3.16?
• 2655[17:05:32] <jhutchins> feliks: It looks like the grub you need is already in jessie.
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• 2663[17:09:19] <feliks> jhutchins: since when? i just tried installing grub from the jessie/stable repo but that gave me the same error as before
• 2664[17:11:12] <petn-randall> ,checkbackport grub-pc
• 2665[17:11:15] <judd> Backporting package grub-pc in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: gcc-6, gcc-6-multilib [i386 kopensolaris-i386 any-amd64 any-ppc64 any-sparc].
• 2666[17:11:33] <feliks> judd's response also says: "jessie: 2.02~beta3-3"
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• 2672[17:13:04] <jhutchins> feliks: beta3-3 is newer than beta2-30
• 2673[17:14:00] <feliks> jhutchins: sorry i misquoted. its actually "jessie: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1"
• 2674[17:14:22] <jhutchins> feliks: Which is still older than beta3-3.
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• 2676[17:15:09] <petn-randall> feliks: Since it's not backportable, and you shouldn't mix stable and testing (it *will* break your system in horrible ways in the long run), you have the following options: 1) Reinstall and create a small (200 MB) /boot partition with ext4 to start from, and be happy with your working system. 2) Upgrade to stretch, and willingly accept that you are now a guinea pig for our upcoming release of Debian
• 2677[17:15:15] <petn-randall> 9, and accept that you will run into ...
• 2678[17:15:17] <petn-randall> ... some bugs and have to fix them until it becomes stable sometime next year.
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• 2680[17:15:44] <petn-randall> feliks: I recommend going with 1), since you probably have a fresh install there, anyway.
• 2681[17:16:15] <blackTree> treaki: are you there
• 2682[17:16:34] <feliks> petn-randall: thanks for the hints. but i already have a separate /boot partition
• 2683[17:16:43] <feliks> the problem is the / on zfs for grub
• 2684[17:16:45] <petn-randall> feliks: And that is which filesystem?
• 2685[17:16:50] <feliks> ext2 on /boot
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• 2688[17:17:05] <petn-randall> feliks: Then you're doing something wrong, grub shouldn't fail on that.
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• 2690[17:17:31] <feliks> petn-randall: can you give me help on how to debug it?
• 2691[17:18:14] <petn-randall> feliks: Just make sure to remove testing from your apt installation first. What errors do you get?
• 2692[17:18:16] <blackTree> Err replaced-url
• 2693[17:18:30] <blackTree> hw can i solve this problem on debain
• 2694[17:18:42] <blackTree> i can't install gcc
• 2695[17:18:49] <petn-randall> feliks: You can show us the commands + complete output on replaced-url
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• 2704[17:20:13] <petn-randall> feliks: What state is your system in then? Did you do a fresh install via install images, or are you bootstrapping the system somehow?
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• 2707[17:21:19] <jhutchins> feliks: Sorry, I was misreading judd's output.
• 2708[17:22:07] <feliks> petn-randall: apt-cache policy grub-pc: replaced-url
• 2709[17:22:23] <feliks> sry but ix.io is more comfortable. only cli, no ssh here
• 2710[17:22:43] <feliks> petn-randall: i did a bootstrap like so: "bootstrap jessie /mnt"
• 2711[17:22:43] <jhutchins> feliks: What might work for you and keep a reliable system would be to install a minimal stretch on a partition and set it up to dual-boot jessie, with jessie as the default.
• 2712[17:22:54] <jhutchins> ,v chromium
• 2713[17:22:56] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 53.0.2785.89-1~deb8u1; stretch: 53.0.2785.143-1; jessie-security: 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1; sid: 55.0.2883.75-2
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• 2715[17:23:13] <feliks> and am now currently in a chrooted environment, after binding /{dev,proc,sys}
• 2716[17:24:17] <feliks> jhutchins: so to keep the repos separate you suggest a debian "slave" installation for only managing grub?
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• 2718[17:24:36] <jhutchins> Essentially.
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• 2720[17:25:02] <jhutchins> feliks: When I've run testing, I like to keep stable available for when testing breaks something.
• 2721[17:25:09] <feliks> seems like a lot of overhead, keeping in mind that id also require zfs and cryptsetup to manage the setup i have and have grub automagically recognize it
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• 2723[17:25:58] <jhutchins> feliks: I would say complexity is someting you're already committed to.
• 2724[17:26:06] <feliks> ;)
• 2725[17:26:52] <feliks> /boot resides on an external flash medium
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• 2727[17:27:16] <feliks> dont you think it would be worth a try frankensteining the debian and pin the grub version so it wont be affected by updates?
• 2728[17:27:28] <feliks> and that id manually check for updates?
• 2729[17:27:39] <petn-randall> jhutchins: There is no need for stretch in this scenario, the bug is somewhere else and unrelated to the linked bug report.
• 2730[17:28:01] <petn-randall> feliks: No need, the issue is somewhere else, it's unrelated to the bug you've linked.
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• 2737[17:30:21] <feliks> petn-randall: how do you conclude that?
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• 2739[17:30:50] <petn-randall> feliks: Because grub only cares about where /boot is, and that is not on XFS.
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• 2741[17:31:35] <petn-randall> I'd probably have to read the bug report though, why the reporter claims this is a problem ... gimme a sec.
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• 2743[17:31:46] <feliks> you mean ZFS? but grub needs to identify your root partition to get cryptroot to work afaik
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• 2745[17:32:06] <feliks> or rather realroot. idk the correct kernel bootline params
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• 2755[17:34:14] <petn-randall> ZFS, yeah.
• 2756[17:34:32] <dob1> hi, i am evaluating to buy google drive space to make backup on it, but i saw there are not official way to access to it. What options there are to access to it via command line?
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• 2763[17:35:30] <feliks> dob1: replaced-url
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• 2767[17:36:29] <petn-randall> feliks: Looks like the only way you have is generating grub.cfg by hand, then.
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• 2771[17:37:25] <feliks> petn-randall: is there a way to disable grub's automatic updates on apt's upgrades?
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• 2775[17:39:15] <petn-randall> feliks: You could probably put an "exit 0" at the top of the postinst script (just a guess).
• 2776[17:39:42] <dob1> feliks, thanks looking at it
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• 2778[17:40:25] <feliks> petn-randall: that would be overwritten by and upgrade and seems less stable than actually using a pinned grub from testing
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• 2787[17:41:53] <petn-randall> feliks: The pinned grub won't work, as the dependencies can't be satisfied. The amount of updates to grub-pc until the release of stretch will probably be in the low digit numbers (maybe even zero).
• 2788[17:43:22] <feliks> petn-randall: is there a possibility to configure custom postinst hooks?
• 2789[17:43:25] <feliks> for apt that is
• 2790[17:43:44] <feliks> specific to packages would be even better
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• 2794[17:45:37] <feliks> id like to try out your solution but i fear for its stability
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• 2814[17:56:22] <petn-randall> feliks: Probably yes, but it's a bit overkill. Worst case is there's an update and the postinst is overwritten and dpkg fails. You then fix it up again and run 'dpkg --configure' and you're good again. Just upgrade to stretch when it's released and you don't even need to fix anything then.
• 2815[17:56:22] <bfrog> I'm a bit confused, haven't used debian in awhile, but it looks like debian 8 has systemd, but then doesn't actually use .service files?
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• 2818[17:56:48] <petn-randall> bfrog: It does. What makes you think it doesn't use them?
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• 2820[17:57:06] <bfrog> there's a bunch of old school /etc/init.d/* scripts
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• 2823[17:57:38] <petn-randall> bfrog: Debian 8 support both sysv init and systemd.
• 2824[17:57:47] <bfrog> and I don't see many .service files in the usual places I find them on other distros (/usr/lib/systemd/system)
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• 2826[17:58:11] <feliks> petn-randall: ok thanks. ill have a look into it :)
• 2827[17:58:18] <bfrog> so packages should have both then right
• 2828[17:58:41] <bfrog> maybe its just the pgdg packages missing .service files then, annoyingly
• 2829[17:58:51] <petn-randall> bfrog: systemd is backwards compatible to init scripts, so any service that doesn't ship a unit file still works fine with it.
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• 2831[17:59:17] <bfrog> right, makes sense, just confusing
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• 2835[17:59:39] <petn-randall> bfrog: Most init scripts source lsb-init, so you'll even see systemd being triggered when you run the init scripts by hand.
• 2836[17:59:43] <bfrog> so used to systemd now its hard to look at these old init scripts, oh well, time to figure it out
• 2837[17:59:52] <teclo-> yes you can use /etc/init.d/<service> restart, that's what I do, although it's systemd, it works
• 2838[18:00:10] <petn-randall> teclo-: Yep, that's because of lsb init.
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• 2840[18:00:57] <teclo-> petn-randall: that's pretty good :)
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• 2843[18:02:13] <bfrog> is debian still using sysv because of the other kernels or just a fear of the new and untested here?
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• 2846[18:02:48] <bfrog> more curious than anything, seems like everyone else just gave up trying to avoid it at this point
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• 2851[18:04:10] <teraflops> bfrog: many packages in debian 8 lack of a service file. they sort of create one at runtime though
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• 2859[18:06:14] <petn-randall> bfrog: Debian decided to support both init systems with Debian 8, that is all.
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• 2865[18:07:19] <bfrog> sounds like something debian would do
• 2866[18:07:47] <bfrog> good deal, doesn't really matter to me, just wanted to figure out what to edit for a service init
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• 2892[18:18:00] <Janni> Hello. Does anybody here have experience with running two bootloaders? I plug my SSD into several different computers some of which support booting from MBR while others only support UEFI.
• 2893[18:18:33] <Janni> I suppose all would be fine if I had the grub-efi package installed as well as the grub-pc package but they conflict with one another.
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• 2897[18:19:16] <Janni> Should I install another bootloader? Which one? Is there one which is as easy to set-up (no work at all) as grub?
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• 2901[18:20:42] <Janni> Or should I install grub-pc and afterwards grub-efi? Will the MBR be in a usable state from the grub-pc installation even if grub-pc is removed?
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• 2904[18:21:11] <dermoth> Hi... It appears since I upgraded to Jessie I no longer have an .xsession-errors file; instead the X application's STDOUT/SDTERR appears to be connected to a socket. Where does it leads???
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• 2911[18:23:37] <teraflops> Janni: efi/uefi there?
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• 2913[18:24:32] <Janni> teraflops: As I mentioned. Sometimes oui, sometimes non. Depending on the the computer I'm plugging my harddrive into.
• 2914[18:24:57] <teraflops> yeah sorry y u wrote a lot hehe
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• 2918[18:26:49] <teraflops> Janni: then why don't you set it up correctly into the uefi fw and set to legacy?
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• 2920[18:27:14] <teraflops> instead of messing with the bootloader I mean
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• 2927[18:28:37] <Janni> teraflops: I would, but booting in compatibility mode makes USB really slow (USB 2.0) on this computer here.
• 2928[18:29:10] <bfrog> can I have systemd supervise sysv based services like I would otherwise?
• 2929[18:29:21] <bfrog> like with a .service file I can setup a restart policy when it fails
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• 2932[18:29:59] <teraflops> Janni: hey you're being so picky...
• 2933[18:30:02] <teraflops> hehe
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• 2937[18:31:29] <teraflops> bfrog: why don't you write a proper systemd unit file?
• 2938[18:31:50] <Janni> teraflops: It's my best quality as well as my greatest vice.
• 2939[18:31:56] <bfrog> I mean, I could... but I guess I'm trying to do things the debian way
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• 2941[18:32:04] <teraflops> Janni: I was joking sorry
• 2942[18:32:05] <jhutchins> Janni: I think the EFI bootloader has to be installed to the EFI partition on the target system. If you boot from an external device, I think it effectively bypasses EFI.
• 2943[18:32:19] <Janni> teraflops: Don't worry, I was too.
• 2944[18:32:34] <bfrog> lets suppose I do write a service file here though, do I need to delete the /etc/init.d/xyz file then?
• 2945[18:32:38] <bfrog> or chmod it or something
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• 2947[18:32:55] <teraflops> bfrog: in this case imo debian is wrong. nothing stops you from writing your own until files. I do
• 2948[18:33:14] <Janni> jhutchins: No. External drives are not treated differently from internal ones (not to my knowledge nor to my experience)
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• 2950[18:33:25] <bfrog> teraflops: fair enough, yeah its a bit confusing :-)
• 2951[18:33:34] <Janni> (I have a working UEFI-bootable USB disk)
• 2952[18:33:36] <jhutchins> bfrog: You would just disable it with update-rc.d
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• 2954[18:33:45] <teraflops> just delete the init file and enable your own systemd one at your own risk ofc
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• 2957[18:34:49] <jhutchins> Janni: So the EFI partition is on the removable?
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• 2959[18:35:03] <Janni> jhutchins: It is.
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• 2963[18:36:15] <jhutchins> Interesting. I wonder how that accomodates different hardware. I didn't think EFI partitions were universal, like BIOSs aren't.
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• 2971[18:39:49] <Janni> jhutchins: If you find that interesting, perhaps this is too: On some machines I connect the disk via USB on others via SATA as internal disks. It all works perfectly fine (except for the UEFI/MBR problem I'm having right now)
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• 3000[18:52:11] <SuperTramp83> (06:32:05 PM) jhutchins: Janni: I think the EFI bootloader has to be installed to the EFI partition on the target system. If you boot from an external device, I think it effectively bypasses EFI.
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• 3002[18:52:18] <SuperTramp83> Can confirm this
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• 3009[18:56:07] <jhutchins> SuperTramp83: So EFI does the same thing as the MBR does, and passes control to grub 1.5 (which is where you get the blinking cursor if grub doesn't find it), right?
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• 3015[18:59:17] <unborn> ou.. i cannot play any dvds..
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• 3021[19:01:01] <jiggawattz> yo
• 3022[19:01:28] <unborn> anyone can help?
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• 3024[19:01:41] <jiggawattz> unborn: sure what's the root password?
• 3025[19:01:43] <jiggawattz> and IP?
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• 3027[19:01:52] <jiggawattz> I'll take a look
• 3028[19:02:13] <greycat> hunter2 and 127.0.0.1
• 3029[19:02:24] <jiggawattz> kthx
• 3030[19:02:27] <Death_rattle> ll
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• 3032[19:02:29] <Death_rattle> lol
• 3033[19:02:38] <jrtc27> greycat: no, he asked for the password, not *******
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• 3035[19:02:41] <rysiek|pl> greycat: all I see is ******* and 127.0.0.1
• 3036[19:02:46] <unborn> 127.0.0.1 amd pass is youknow
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• 3040[19:03:39] <SuperTramp83> jhutchins: I think so, yes.
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• 3045[19:04:01] <unborn> so what do I have to do to be able to play purchased dvds?
• 3046[19:04:30] <greycat> Install a player program and the libdvdcss stuff, or whatever replaced it in the 5-10 years since I last did this.
• 3047[19:04:55] <Death_rattle> Download the according BluRay-mkv and don't get eye cancer
• 3048[19:05:16] <rafalcpp> does Debian fully supports 4K-secotr hard drives, including e.g. 5-7 TB hard drives?
• 3049[19:05:23] <rafalcpp> sector
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• 3057[19:08:30] <unborn> greycat: libdvdcss is not in repos..
• 3058[19:08:35] <rafalcpp> Almost 2017. Trump slained political correctness beast. And people still "buy" movies.
• 3059[19:09:14] * rafalcpp wishes 1st world countries would move past this nonsense and libcss and it's current counterparts will be never again needed, nor any of this bs
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• 3061[19:09:24] <kion> I get this message all the time "Firefox has prevented the outdated plugin Adobe Flash from running..." what showld I do?
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• 3063[19:09:43] <nkuttler> rafalcpp: we don't need politics in here. what's a 4k-sector drive anyway?
• 3064[19:09:52] <rafalcpp> kion: thank it for saving your computer from terrible, buggy, exploitable software "developed" by Adobe?
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• 3067[19:10:09] <SpeccyMan> slained?
• 3068[19:10:21] <rafalcpp> nkuttler: usually hard drives have 512-byte sectors. But some have 4096 byte ones
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• 3073[19:10:50] <Epakai> kion: update flash, update-flashplugin-nonfree --install
• 3074[19:10:52] <nkuttler> rafalcpp: my 8T drive says Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
• 3075[19:10:53] <rafalcpp> nkuttler: e.g. replaced-url
• 3076[19:11:08] <rafalcpp> nkuttler: yeap, that's the case. so it works nicelly on stable?
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• 3078[19:11:23] <nkuttler> rafalcpp: i just got it last week, and put btrfs on it..
• 3079[19:11:32] <nkuttler> so far, yes
• 3080[19:11:55] <rafalcpp> kion: though practially, I would consider do you really want to use use flash. One solution could be to have a spearete box for windows stuff. Because flash is always full of security exploits that are in practice very commonly used
• 3081[19:12:16] <unborn> I cant play dvds in debian..
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• 3083[19:12:23] <unborn> can anyone help?
• 3084[19:12:30] <greycat> !dvdcss
• 3085[19:12:30] <dpkg> libdvdcss is a free software library for unscrambling <CSS>-encrypted DVDs, not to be confused with <DeCSS>. It is not distributed by Debian due to legal concerns. To acquire, see replaced-url
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• 3087[19:12:31] <rafalcpp> SpeccyMan: whoops wrong past tense. replaced-url
• 3088[19:12:36] <nkuttler> unborn: which command did you use, and which error do you get?
• 3089[19:12:48] <greycat> Dunno how trustworthy any of these bot answers are.
• 3090[19:12:58] <SpeccyMan> good recovery :P
• 3091[19:13:10] <jhutchins> rafalcpp: The use of flash is usually determined by whoever built the site. If you need to use the site, and you need flash to use it, you need flash.
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• 3095[19:13:29] <unborn> greycat: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
• 3096[19:13:29] <unborn> e: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
• 3097[19:13:37] <greycat> Are you root?
• 3098[19:14:05] <rafalcpp> jhutchins: yeap. What I do is I use such pages on separate computers, luckliy these are usually some gaming pages or other stuff that is not-important and for which Windows is ok
• 3099[19:14:14] <nkuttler> rafalcpp: oh, i do run the backported 4.7 kernel though
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• 3101[19:14:33] <unborn> greycat: for your outdated information: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) - E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
• 3102[19:14:46] <greycat> unborn: are you root?
• 3103[19:14:54] <unborn> im
• 3104[19:14:57] <rafalcpp> nkuttler: do non-backported parted / cfdisk tools correctly see partitions on it? some old ones afair had problems
• 3105[19:14:58] <unborn> i am
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• 3107[19:14:59] <nkuttler> unborn: is another process using it?
• 3108[19:15:09] <greycat> Then un-pause the other apt-get you're running.
• 3109[19:15:23] <greycat> And let it finish. Or kill it.
• 3110[19:15:32] <unborn> done
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• 3112[19:15:49] <nkuttler> rafalcpp: stable fdisk works fine, i mostly went with the new kernel for btrfs
• 3113[19:15:51] <unborn> it was synaptic but still same error/// gona reboot
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• 3121[19:18:26] <unborn> greycat: root@gs:/home/george# apt-get install libdvdcss Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Package libdvdcss is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source - E: Package 'libdvdcss' has no installation candidate
• 3122[19:18:38] <unborn> is this joke?
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• 3125[19:18:59] <greycat> I told you, I haven't done this in 5-10 years, and that I did not know how trustworthy the bot's answers are.
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• 3129[19:19:38] <greycat> How many of the other dvdcss factoids did you read? Did you read the web sites where the alleged repositories are? Etc.
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• 3131[19:19:56] <nkuttler> unborn: see also replaced-url
• 3132[19:20:04] <jelly> ,v libdvdcss2
• 3133[19:20:05] <judd> Package: libdvdcss2 on amd64 -- wheezy-multimedia: 1.2.13-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1.3.0-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1.4.0-dmo1
• 3134[19:20:07] <nkuttler> unborn: thank the movie industry for making this hard
• 3135[19:20:23] <nkuttler> and some idiots for making distributing numbers illegal
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• 3137[19:20:37] <unborn> greycat: so far non.. I would expect in end of 2016 from computer to play any dvds...it was normal with other distros..
• 3138[19:20:51] <greycat> unborn: Welcome to the post-DMCA world.
• 3139[19:21:01] <nkuttler> unborn: debian takes it's social contract serious
• 3140[19:21:09] <jelly> its
• 3141[19:21:12] * jelly hides
• 3142[19:21:14] <nkuttler> always
• 3143[19:21:18] <unborn> greycat: really dont want to change distro coz this problem
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• 3145[19:21:33] <greycat> Then continue running /msg dpkg listkeys dvdcss until you find a solution.
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• 3147[19:21:47] <jrtc27> unborn: it's called *libdvdcss2*, not libdvdcss
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• 3149[19:22:04] <greycat> libdvdcss2 is not in Debian, as shown above by judd. It's in the -multimedia repositories.
• 3150[19:22:11] <greycat> If that works, then great.
• 3151[19:22:12] <unborn> jrtc27: same.. package is not there
• 3152[19:22:16] <jelly> it can't be that hard to add dmo temporarily, install one package with the CORRECT name, then remove dmo repos
• 3153[19:22:17] <greycat> unborn: try READING
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• 3155[19:22:49] <greycat> jelly: well, to be fair, we don't know which branches of the solution space are worth pursuing and which should be pruned
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• 3158[19:23:13] <greycat> It takes TIME and ENERGY to evaluate 16 different fucking "solutions".
• 3159[19:23:39] <unborn> so basically any pruchased dvd movie will not work with debian.. is that solution?
• 3160[19:23:51] <greycat> It will work when you figure out how to make it work.
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• 3162[19:24:02] <nkuttler> unborn: not out of the box. that's why there's a wiki
• 3163[19:24:04] <greycat> It will not work straight out of the not-nonfree netinst.
• 3164[19:24:10] <jrtc27> !tell unborn dvdcss
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• 3166[19:24:19] <jrtc27> !tell unborn about dvdcss
• 3167[19:24:19] <unborn> greycat: thats what I am on.. nonfree
• 3168[19:24:22] <zykotick9> unborn: personally. i use the replaced-url
• 3169[19:24:50] <jrtc27> read. the. message. from. dpkg.
• 3170[19:25:02] <jelly> zykotick9: isn't getting vlc from authors of vlc technically first party?
• 3171[19:25:17] <greycat> In fact I triggered dvdcss in this channel already.
• 3172[19:25:23] <zykotick9> jelly: it's not vlc, it's their libdvdcss2 library
• 3173[19:25:24] <greycat> He didn't read it THEN, either, apparently.
• 3174[19:25:30] <jelly> ah
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• 3176[19:25:46] <zykotick9> notes this is all documented as #1 solution for getting libdvdcss2 on replaced-url
• 3177[19:25:46] <jrtc27> greycat: I know, but they clearly didn't read it, so perhaps the /query will grab their attention
• 3178[19:26:15] <unborn> I've should not read it at all.. this makes debian as distro well behind of anything else out there...
• 3179[19:26:27] <greycat> unborn: Then stop using it.
• 3180[19:27:05] <unborn> greycat: thinking about it
• 3181[19:27:32] <unborn> zykotick9: thanks.. going to use that as well...well if that will work
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• 3183[19:27:50] <jiggawattz> Solution Space
• 3184[19:27:57] <s0r00t> could someone help me with debian-installer please? im having troubles installing jessie on an old tower of mine (black screen when entering "Install")
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• 3186[19:28:24] <s0r00t> i dont know if it's the right place to come for such help, im sorry if im wrong
• 3187[19:28:25] <jiggawattz> s0r00t: you powered it on first, right?
• 3188[19:28:28] <jiggawattz> got POST etc
• 3189[19:28:30] <s0r00t> jiggawattz: ofc.
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• 3191[19:28:38] <s0r00t> black screen with blinking cursor
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• 3193[19:29:01] <jhutchins> s0r00t: Have you tried a text install (under advanced I think)?
• 3194[19:29:03] <s0r00t> when booting with a burnt CD, im having a checksum error, and PXE won't go anywhere after going into install
• 3195[19:29:10] <nkuttler> s0r00t: does anything happen if you press ctrl-alt-F1 ?
• 3196[19:29:14] <jhutchins> s0r00t: Bad image.
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• 3198[19:29:21] <s0r00t> jhutchins: i think i took the text install image with pxe
• 3199[19:29:22] <nkuttler> s0r00t: indeed, verify your image
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• 3201[19:29:28] <s0r00t> (also the iso was right, checked the MD5)
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• 3203[19:29:39] <s0r00t> nkuttler: nothing
• 3204[19:29:39] <jhutchins> s0r00t: WHat does PXE have to do with booting from a CD?
• 3205[19:29:46] <s0r00t> i tried booting with a CD then PXE
• 3206[19:29:57] <s0r00t> easier for me in fact
• 3207[19:30:20] <jelly> s0r00t: does the hardware and firmware have boot off usb-storage capability?
• 3208[19:30:37] <s0r00t> jelly: usb2 only and i only have usb3 sticks
• 3209[19:30:48] <jelly> that's not a problem, they are all backwards compatible
• 3210[19:30:54] <s0r00t> weird
• 3211[19:31:03] <s0r00t> well, idk, the desktop won't recognize my usb sticks
• 3212[19:31:09] <s0r00t> stick*
• 3213[19:31:16] <s0r00t> it works perfectly everywhere else, and has no problem
• 3214[19:31:24] <s0r00t> thats why im using PXE with my arch laptop
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• 3218[19:31:34] <jelly> try a usb port on the back not just the front panel
• 3219[19:32:09] <s0r00t> i only used those
• 3220[19:32:23] <s0r00t> i mean, back ports
• 3221[19:32:28] <jelly> huh, alright. Is there an OS already installed?
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• 3223[19:32:41] <s0r00t> nope
• 3224[19:32:52] <s0r00t> tried to install Arch months ago, and i got some weird error that no one on #archlinux knew about
• 3225[19:33:05] <s0r00t> so i went for debian
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• 3227[19:33:19] <jelly> well, if the thing does not even boot, you can take the hdd/ssd out, put it in a different system, install there then place it back
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• 3229[19:33:48] <s0r00t> is it possible to install a x86 debian with a x64 laptop?
• 3230[19:33:53] <s0r00t> an*
• 3231[19:33:55] <jelly> i386, yes
• 3232[19:34:07] <unborn> zykotick9: thanks.. your method worked heh I am able now view the files however still unable to play them..
• 3233[19:34:23] <s0r00t> i'll try that, thx for the help
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• 3235[19:34:32] <zykotick9> "your method" <- you mean debian's documentation worked ;)
• 3236[19:34:39] <s0r00t> now, onto finding a IDE <-> USB device somewhere in here :p
• 3237[19:34:46] <jelly> oh dear, IDE
• 3238[19:35:01] <jelly> s0r00t: how old is that thing
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• 3243[19:36:22] <n4dir> very seldom i ran into old PC's from the trash which couldn't boot debian (or couldn't install). Sometimes antix worked instead (or one of the other small distros, but antix often worked=
• 3244[19:36:47] <s0r00t> jelly : the desktop 2004, the HDD older
• 3245[19:36:51] <s0r00t> bingo! found one
• 3246[19:36:52] <n4dir> if antix boots, for example antix, you could install debian via bootstrap
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• 3252[19:37:27] <unborn> replaced-url
• 3253[19:37:38] <greycat> Bye.
• 3254[19:37:40] <unborn> how to make dvds working in debian?
• 3255[19:37:45] <greycat> *ploni*
• 3256[19:37:47] <unborn> in 2016
• 3257[19:37:49] <greycat> er. shit. you know.
• 3258[19:37:59] <s0r00t> oh, nvm, the HDD from 2004 you know
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• 3261[19:38:37] <unborn> - nice.. and this is debian help - what a joke
• 3262[19:38:42] <s0r00t> might sound like a dumb question, but is there a USB iso of jessie with non-free firmware?
• 3263[19:39:03] <s0r00t> (the desktop's wifi card is using rt61pci firmware)
• 3264[19:39:11] <jelly> unborn: talking down on volunteers won't give you any better help.
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• 3266[19:39:41] <jelly> dpkg, tell s0r00t about firmware images
• 3267[19:40:04] <unborn> jelly: i would and i am always normal but the way greycat for example is talking to me.. what else anyone can expect?
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• 3269[19:40:11] <s0r00t> an irc bot named dpkg, wow <3
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• 3271[19:40:20] <s0r00t> jelly: thx again (found them at the same time as dpkg's msg)
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• 3274[19:41:31] <jelly> unborn: I don't see greycat doing anything unreasonable, unlike your "what a joke" comment
• 3275[19:41:48] <jelly> so keep it curt and stick to actual tech
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• 3280[19:44:32] <unborn> jelly: sure...any dvd does not work in debian jessie
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• 3285[19:45:20] <pflanze> Hello. Can I do the following with "make", or do you have a suggestion for a different tool?:
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• 3288[19:45:56] <pflanze> I want to convert *.md files to *.xhtml files, using a md2xhtml tool. I don't want to change the makefile each time I create or delete or rename a .md file.
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• 3290[19:46:25] <pflanze> So I need something like "all: *.md" and have "CC=md2xhtml" except suffixes will be interpreted wrongly.
• 3291[19:46:29] <greycat> Yeah, make could do that, with a .md.xhtml: rule
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• 3293[19:46:46] <greycat> Ask ##workingset for help if you can't figure it out from googling and reading the docs.
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• 3297[19:46:56] <nkuttler> pflanze: see things like $< $@ %.foo: rules etc
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• 3299[19:47:13] <pflanze> Which section in the info docs should I read?
• 3300[19:47:28] <greycat> Whichever one covers .x.y:
• 3301[19:47:34] <pflanze> OK let me see
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• 3306[19:48:34] <pflanze> Is this a phony target?
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• 3308[19:48:42] <nkuttler> pflanze: no
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• 3311[19:49:08] <pflanze> OK going to join ##workingset, thanks!
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• 3313[19:49:51] <greycat> replaced-url
• 3314[19:49:57] <Release_> greetz im trying to install pyton 3.4 on jessie 8 currently Python 2.7.9 is installed
• 3315[19:50:02] * greycat came up with ".c.o" as a search term, and that unlocked it
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• 3317[19:50:19] <Release_> how to upgrade that
• 3318[19:50:26] <pflanze> Thanks greycat
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• 3321[19:50:37] <s0r00t> ;_; ive got a weird noname adapter with the ide <-> usb device and im scared of using it
• 3322[19:50:41] <nkuttler> ,v python3
• 3323[19:50:42] <judd> Package: python3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.1-4; sid: 3.5.1-4
• 3324[19:50:51] <nkuttler> Release_: just install python3, and use it
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• 3326[19:50:56] <Release_> ok
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• 3328[19:51:13] <s0r00t> would inputting 24W in a HDD enclosure be normal?
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• 3330[19:51:44] <Release_> how to install it judd
• 3331[19:51:54] <greycat> Same way you install any other package.
• 3332[19:51:58] <Release_> cause atm when trying that it outputs
• 3333[19:52:10] <greycat> e.g. sudo apt-get install python3
• 3334[19:52:11] <jelly> !paste
• 3335[19:52:11] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 3337[19:52:18] <Release_> python3 set to manually installed.
• 3338[19:52:30] <greycat> Then it's probably already there.
• 3339[19:52:32] <jelly> Release_: so it's installed already. Use the python3 command
• 3340[19:52:37] <greycat> You just need to run python3 instead of python.
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• 3342[19:52:50] <Release_> i did greycat
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• 3344[19:53:07] <greycat> python3 --version
• 3345[19:53:29] <Release_> ah ok
• 3346[19:53:30] <Release_> Python 3.4.2
• 3347[19:53:57] <s0r00t> Release_: also use pip3 for python3
• 3348[19:53:59] <nkuttler> Release_: notice that debian system packages will almost all use python2
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• 3350[19:54:14] <nkuttler> yes, pip3, virtualenv etc
• 3351[19:54:21] <Release_> ok
• 3352[19:54:26] <zuiss1> does setting a package to manually installed that was originally installed as part of a metapackage mean i can apt-get purge it without purging the rest of the metapackage items?
• 3353[19:54:39] <greycat> It means it won't be included in apt-get autoremove.
• 3354[19:54:39] <jelly> zuiss1: no
• 3355[19:55:08] <zuiss1> i want to uninstall konqueror because i use firefox but it tries to uninstall KDE with it
• 3356[19:55:09] <zuiss1> lol
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• 3358[19:55:24] <greycat> If kde depends on konqueror, then that's expected.
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• 3361[19:55:33] <Release_> it this the way to use it
• 3362[19:55:34] <Release_> curl -Ls replaced-url
• 3363[19:55:35] <Release_> ?
• 3364[19:55:44] <greycat> No, just literally use the command name "python3"
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• 3369[19:56:08] <greycat> Also, running web content directly as root without sanity checking is... risky.
• 3370[19:56:11] <Release_> ah ok
• 3371[19:56:12] <zuiss1> #kde said it shouldn't, but it depends on how the distro packages the DE. so i guess debian made it a dependency although it doesn't need to be
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• 3374[19:56:24] <s0r00t> greycat: isnt python3 a symlink to python34?
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• 3376[19:56:35] <greycat> You tell me. Is it?
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• 3378[19:56:47] <s0r00t> i know it is here on arch
• 3379[19:57:10] <s0r00t> actually symlink to python3.5
• 3380[19:57:35] <n4dir> zuiss1: if you wouldn't have installed kde as a metapackage, konqueror might not be a dependency (i don't know, hence: might)
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• 3382[19:58:06] <n4dir> can't say i would care much if i had konqueror installed or not if i had all of kde installed.
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• 3385[19:59:05] <zuiss1> you would if the DE kept trying to open it when you clicked a link
• 3386[19:59:10] <zuiss1> even though FF is set as default browser
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• 3388[19:59:16] <n4dir> i never had to use that, hence got no clue how valid it is: replaced-url
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• 3390[19:59:22] <s0r00t> jelly: i had a checksum error on my cd, but the iso is correct. burn error?
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• 3392[19:59:32] <jelly> zuiss1: don't remove konqueror. Instead, open systemsettings (kde's control panel thing) -> Default Applications -> Web Browser -> Internet -> Firefox ESR
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• 3395[20:00:03] <zuiss1> jelly: ok
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• 3398[20:00:39] <jelly> zuiss1: assuming you're on jessie
• 3399[20:00:41] <n4dir> on a site note: i don't click on links, but copy and paste them in the address bar (only out of habit ... ).
• 3400[20:00:43] <zuiss1> i am
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• 3403[20:02:05] <zuiss1> i use firefox release though from mozilla.debian.net
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• 3408[20:03:29] <jelly> well you have the general idea
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• 3419[20:06:04] <jhutchins> zuiss1: kde allows you to set the default programs for things like URLs - default browser specifically.
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• 3421[20:06:23] <jhutchins> zuiss1: Set that to firefox instead of konqueror and just ignore konqueror.
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• 3424[20:06:58] <jhutchins> zuiss1: For non-kde apps there may be a setting in the program preferences.
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• 3427[20:07:28] <jhutchins> WHich is exactly what jelly said. Scrollbite again.
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• 3429[20:07:45] <zuiss1> ok
• 3430[20:07:52] <zuiss1> thanks
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• 3432[20:08:00] <dumbl3d0re> If I don't misremember Debian with Gnome should notice when undocking and automatically lit up the laptop's screen?
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• 3434[20:08:17] <yotamL__> Hi, What is Debian alternative to PPA and copr?
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• 3437[20:09:46] <greycat> The debian alternative to Ubuntu's Personal Package Archives is to have the packages in Debian itself.
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• 3439[20:10:19] <greycat> There are some third party repositories, but they're rare.
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• 3441[20:10:52] <n4dir> seldom had to use it, but the Mepis community repo is there.
• 3442[20:11:09] <n4dir> might be it has been renamed after the end of Mepis
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• 3456[20:16:47] <kschreyack> Hi everyone. I'm working with Katello/Puppet for systems managment but I don't think it can be used fully for Debian systems. Does anyone know of a software solution that can be used to manage Debian servers packages and configuration?
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• 3471[20:19:06] <apathor> kschreyack: i've been using ansible. works well and has specific support for apt
• 3472[20:20:00] <yotamL__> greycat: Sadly a few programs I used on Fedora are missing and I can't get them without compilling, where can I suggest adding them to Debian?
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• 3478[20:21:39] <kschreyack> ah yes, I could definitely work with that or puppet for services and supporting packages plus updates.
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• 3482[20:22:16] <kschreyack> I am hoping a comprehensive software suite can be found to manage Debian servers in mass.
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• 3484[20:22:40] <n4dir> replaced-url
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• 3496[20:26:44] <feliks> petn-randall: i decided on pinning the grub packages explicitly now. just to let you know if i come back whining about things falling apart ;)
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• 3501[20:28:28] <PryMar56> in a VM, how can I stop constant updates to firmware-linux (not used)
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• 3504[20:28:57] <greycat> Why would there be any updates at all?
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• 3507[20:30:41] <greycat> The following packages will be upgraded:
• 3508[20:30:41] <greycat> libsmbclient libtevent0 libwbclient0 samba-libs
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• 3519[20:34:02] <PryMar56> greycat, thanks - its in Stretch, so going to #debian-next
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• 3522[20:34:41] <n4dir> or just go to a searchenginge and enter "debian set packages on hold"
• 3523[20:34:58] <greycat> Or remove it, if it's not actually used?
• 3524[20:35:11] <dStruct> do you guys know if theres something going on with network-manager where the wifi icon changes to look like a ethernet cabled connection?
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• 3537[20:40:19] <dStruct> what I did was I used nm-connection-editor to set my wifi connection to enable a vpn each time it connects, doing so has changed my wifi adapter icon in the upper right to now look like a ethernet icon instead
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• 3547[20:44:12] <jhutchins> dStruct: I would guess that that's the icon for the VPN, which is what you're actually communicating over.
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• 3562[20:48:35] <s0r00t> i managed to install debian on the HDD, but it doesn't detect the wifi card on my desktop
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• 3565[20:49:06] <jelly> yotamL__: which ones? check whether they're (going to be) available on packages.debian.org; check whether someone is working on inclusion already (read /msg dpkg itp); then, if none of those are present, consider filing a Request For Packaging (/msg dpkg rfp)
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• 3567[20:49:34] <mtn> s0r00t: did you follow the debian wiki to get it going?
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• 3572[20:51:03] <s0r00t> mtn: where exactly? (never really used the debian wiki)
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• 3575[20:51:52] <jelly> s0r00t: is the card visible in "lspci -nn" or "lsusb" output? Show its line.
• 3576[20:52:31] <s0r00t> (turns out it didn't install firmware-ralink)
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• 3578[20:53:09] <s0r00t> yes, it's Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller
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• 3583[20:53:52] <s0r00t> well, it reads my usb stick, going to install the deb with it
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• 3612[21:09:59] <jhutchins> !bcm4306
• 3613[21:09:59] <dpkg> The Broadcom BCM4306 is an 802.11b/g wireless LAN chipset. Revision 2 devices are supported by the <b43legacy> driver. Revision 3 devices are supported by the <b43> driver. replaced-url
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• 3615[21:10:40] <jhutchins> s0r00t: I would expect it to use broadcom firmware not ralink.
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• 3631[21:17:36] <s0r00t> installed firmware-ralink, but the card still isn't showing after a reboot
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• 3633[21:18:00] <s0r00t> oh
• 3634[21:19:02] <s0r00t> the card is a linksys wmp54g and googling returned that the driver is rt61pci
• 3635[21:19:03] <petn-randall> feliks: Does that even install without pulling half of testing with it?
• 3636[21:19:30] <s0r00t> so i should rather get a broadcom driver?
• 3637[21:19:56] <greycat> You should run "lspci -nn" and see what the actual chip is, and then choose the right approach.
• 3638[21:20:25] <feliks> petn-randall: yes, its pretty clean
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• 3641[21:20:37] <feliks> doesnt pull anything apart from the mentioned packages
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• 3645[21:20:52] <s0r00t> greycat: then i'll try the b43legacy firmware.
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• 3670[21:29:13] <dumbl3d0re> Why doesn't Debian notice when I undock my laptop?
• 3671[21:29:22] <dumbl3d0re> I've a Thinkpad T430
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• 3674[21:30:20] <petn-randall> dumbl3d0re: What do you expect it to do?
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• 3677[21:31:01] <dumbl3d0re> To lit up the laptop's own screen.
• 3678[21:31:16] <dumbl3d0re> Now it works like on XFCE.
• 3679[21:31:21] <dumbl3d0re> I'm running Gnome
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• 3682[21:31:51] <dumbl3d0re> I'm using two external monitors when connecting my laptop to the docking station.
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• 3685[21:33:17] <dumbl3d0re> petn-randall: Any suggestions?
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• 3687[21:33:24] <jhutchins> s0r00t: It's entirely possible to have a realtek wired and a broadcom wireless.
• 3688[21:33:30] <locrian9> A question about setting up SysV init scripts: I've installed Debian Jessie 8.6.0 onto a new PC in order to run a NAS (4 X 2TB HDDs) in Raid5 running underneath 'OpenMediaVault' (a FreeNAS fork). The service is started by issueing the command 'omv-initsystem'. I'm new to SysV init scripts, and was wondering if I should setup an init script using the following guide?
• 3689[21:33:35] <locrian9> replaced-url
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• 3695[21:34:23] <petn-randall> dumbl3d0re: It works here, when I undock it switches to LVDS. So it should work in principle (x230 here).
• 3696[21:34:38] <petn-randall> !omv
• 3697[21:34:38] <dpkg> OpenMediaVault is a NAS operating system with a web-based control panel. It is <based on Debian> but not supported in #debian. Support can be found at replaced-url
• 3698[21:34:47] <petn-randall> locrian9: ^^^
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• 3700[21:35:09] <dumbl3d0re> petn-randall: Yeah, when I don't misremember it working on Debian with Gnome.
• 3701[21:35:30] <dumbl3d0re> Wondering what screw it up...
• 3702[21:35:51] <jhutchins> locrian9: Jessie runs systemd by default, as opposed to SysV init.
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• 3720[21:40:34] <OverCoder> Hello, I am having a little issue building my .deb package
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• 3722[21:41:04] <OverCoder> The program isn't mine, but I'm hosting a PPA for it, I use debuild to build the package, how do I specify a custom upstream tarball?
• 3723[21:41:12] <dfcnvt> If and whenever I typed (Ctrl + Alt + [Right/Left] Arrows), only one specific window (terminator program) was carried along to different desktop. This is not correct -- only can (Ctrl + Shift + Alt + [Right/Left] Arrows) do that. What goes wrong?
• 3724[21:41:18] <locrian9> jhutchins: Yep, I just confirmed that, you're correct. pstree -p = systemd(1).
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• 3727[21:41:32] <OverCoder> currently it looks, in the parent directory, for <appname>_<appversion>.orig.tar.[gz|xz|..]
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• 3729[21:41:41] <OverCoder> How do I specify some other name?
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• 3733[21:42:38] <greycat> !nmg
• 3734[21:42:38] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
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• 3736[21:43:32] <OverCoder> hmm
• 3737[21:43:33] * OverCoder reads
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• 3740[21:43:54] <l0llip0p> hi! This might be a nobish question, but I didn't find clear answer from google. I just donated some money for debian project. The bank is located in Switzerland where there is really strict laws acording to bank secrety. My question is; How I know that my little donation isn't misused ?
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• 3743[21:44:32] * awal1 wornders what's wrong with "nobish" questions :P
• 3744[21:44:37] <OverCoder> greycat: replaced-url
• 3745[21:44:46] <OverCoder> Where on earth is it mentioning how to change the upstream tarball name
• 3746[21:44:59] <greycat> Rename it. Or make a symlink?
• 3747[21:45:18] <OverCoder> symlink :O
• 3748[21:45:20] <OverCoder> no wait
• 3749[21:45:22] <OverCoder> that won't work
• 3750[21:45:23] <dfcnvt> l0llip0p: A quick google search has lead me to this:
• 3751[21:45:32] <dfcnvt> replaced-url
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• 3753[21:45:55] <OverCoder> greycat: how do I rename it
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• 3755[21:45:59] <greycat> mv
• 3756[21:45:59] <dfcnvt> There's different method of donating to it. I suppose, paypal should cause that probme.
• 3757[21:46:10] <OverCoder> greycat: yeah and debuild won't find it anymore
• 3758[21:46:15] <greycat> ...
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• 3760[21:46:23] <greycat> IT'S NOT FINDING IT NOW! Wasn't that your entire POINT?!
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• 3762[21:46:31] <OverCoder> ..no
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• 3766[21:46:39] <OverCoder> I just want to fucking have a different name for the upstream tarball
• 3767[21:46:44] <OverCoder> *during* the building of the package*
• 3768[21:46:50] <greycat> You mean *afterward*?
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• 3770[21:47:11] <l0llip0p> dfcnvt: yeah I read that put that doesn't say who is responsible for taking care that money ends up for right cause?
• 3771[21:47:12] <OverCoder> ..yes? I think?
• 3772[21:47:15] <greycat> Like, it has the correct name now, and it builds, and all the names are right according to policy, but you want the output to be something nonstandard?
• 3773[21:47:24] <greycat> Because FUCK YOU POLICY?
• 3774[21:47:25] <OverCoder> greycat: let me explain why
• 3775[21:47:27] <OverCoder> no
• 3776[21:47:37] <OverCoder> Because I'm maintaining a PPA
• 3777[21:47:42] <greycat> *plonk*
• 3778[21:47:52] <OverCoder> and I damn uploaded a a wrong upstream tarball
• 3779[21:47:53] <OverCoder> and build failed
• 3780[21:47:55] <dfcnvt> l0llip0p: I have no idea -- I never involved in this type of donation. Nor do I know who is responsible for it.
• 3781[21:47:57] <greycat> Not. Interested. In this fucking ubuntu bullshit.
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• 3783[21:48:00] <dStruct> jhutchins: thing is, the VPN connection has an icon next to the wifi looks just like the Ethernet icon but with a lock symbol on the bottom right of the icon, so I have 2 ethernet looking icons one for the wifi and one for the VPN with the lock on it
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• 3788[21:48:21] <OverCoder> And now I can't put the right one, because the damn launchpad thingy refuses to change the contents of the zip, so I just want to have a different name for the tarball
• 3789[21:48:31] <dStruct> jhutchins: it's weird because as it connects it shows the wifi icon with signal, then the second it associates it switches to an ethernet "link" looking icon
• 3790[21:48:40] <OverCoder> greycat: isn't this question related to debian build system anyways? also I think debian users can use PPAs, no?
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• 3792[21:49:18] <l0llip0p> dfcnvt: I'm not going to lose my nightsleep because of this question :D but u know I am just curious
• 3793[21:49:29] <abrotman> OverCoder: Please ask the Ubuntu folks, we don't have Launchpad, we don't have PPA
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• 3795[21:49:39] <OverCoder> k
• 3796[21:49:45] <OverCoder> though my question was about the build system. But,okay
• 3797[21:49:52] <abrotman> which they may or may not have patched
• 3798[21:50:15] <abrotman> see the conundrum?
• 3799[21:50:31] <jhutchins> dStruct: Makes sense to me. Shows wireless connection, VPN connects and it shows VPN icon.
• 3800[21:50:54] <dStruct> jhutchins: if it didn't show the vpn icon right next to it, I wouldn't think it was weird either, but I have 2 icons
• 3801[21:51:00] <jhutchins> dStruct: Shows you exactly what's going on (as well as it can in a 10 pixel icon)/.
• 3802[21:51:01] <abrotman> warms my heart to see so much plunk :)
• 3803[21:51:04] <abrotman> plonk
• 3804[21:51:17] <greycat> Merry plonking christmas.
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• 3808[21:51:41] <jhutchins> dStruct: Ok, so you have two. Take a look at /sbin/ifconfig's output.
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• 3811[21:52:22] <dStruct> jhutchins: pretty straight forward output, I have an eth0 (not used), lo, tun0 (vpn), and wlan0
• 3812[21:53:01] <dStruct> jhutchins: the second I change the wifi to not automatically connect to a vpn on association it goes back to normal behavior
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• 3815[21:53:26] <dStruct> jhutchins: replaced-url
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• 3850[22:04:14] <mirak_> hi
• 3851[22:04:24] <mirak_> how can i install a specific version of a package with apt ?
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• 3853[22:05:02] <greycat> apt-get -t jessie-backports install pkgname
• 3854[22:05:03] <towo`> apt install package=version
• 3855[22:05:18] <towo`> given that version is in an available repo
• 3856[22:05:53] <mirak_> ok
• 3857[22:05:58] <greycat> prediction: they want to install an OLDER version that is no longer listed in a repository
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• 3860[22:06:50] <jhutchins> dStruct: So something about the VPN makes the wifi connection look wired to NM. A minor bug, and probably upstream in the gui applet.
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• 3862[22:07:16] <dStruct> jhutchins: exactly, let me upload a screenshot real quick so you can see exactly what I mean
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• 3864[22:07:34] <jhutchins> dStruct: No, I understand now.
• 3865[22:07:43] <dStruct> jhutchins: replaced-url
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• 3869[22:08:41] <dStruct> jhutchins: it's weird because the second I change the setup with nm-connection-editor to have the wifi not auto connect to the vpn on association everything returns to normal, 1 wifi icon with signal, and 1 vpn icon as you see in the screenshot
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• 3932[22:30:45] <jamesl> By default, my /etc/resolv.conf has only one entry, 192.168.1.1. I added 2 more (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4) and rebooted, however on reboot I found these 2 extra entries removed. How do I avoid this and preserve the entries in resolv.conf. I am running debian 8.6
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• 3939[22:31:30] <greycat> !override dns
• 3940[22:31:30] <dpkg> To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer.
• 3941[22:32:00] <jamesl> thanks
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• 3943[22:32:36] <Agafnd> I'm having a bit of trouble getting TeX Live to work -- when I try to use the verse package, I get "! LaTeX Error: File `verse.sty' not found."
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• 3949[22:34:28] <Agafnd> oh, seems I need to apt-get install texlive-humanities
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• 3983[22:45:20] <kion> I get this message Firefox has prevented the outdated plugin Adobe flash from running, someone gave me the solution but I had to go and now I cant scroll back that far.... please help
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• 3987[22:47:01] <zuiss1> kion: which irc client? you should learn how to check your logs
• 3988[22:47:19] <kion> Hex chat...
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• 3990[22:47:32] <zuiss1> go to ~/.config/hexchat/scrollback
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• 3992[22:47:57] <zuiss1> that's where your logs are stored
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• 3994[22:49:25] <Agafnd> kion: in the future maybe enable logging conversations to disk?
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• 4001[22:51:05] <zuiss1> they are logged to disk by default, i think
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• 4004[22:51:47] <zuiss1> that's why he's seeing scrollback when he rejoins, but it isn't infinite scrollback
• 4005[22:52:30] <disi> i have test suite that runs in one container against a server running in another container. every few times i do docker-compse up and run the tests, every single test gets a socket timeout, whats up with that?
• 4006[22:52:54] <disi> oops! (meant to ask in #docker)
• 4007[22:52:57] <disi> sorry
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• 4042[23:03:18] <TehRabbitt> anyone here ever work with aptly?
• 4043[23:03:54] <TehRabbitt> I'm trying to handle the main, updates, security, and source all through it.
• 4044[23:04:06] <TehRabbitt> I seem to be able to get main, updates, and security, but not the source...
• 4045[23:04:25] <n4dir> i recall a wiki.debian.org page describing how to replace systemd with sysv, but can't find it (and pretty much all browser crash all the time). Anyone remembers?
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• 4049[23:04:42] <greycat> !jessie sysvinit
• 4050[23:04:42] <dpkg> To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: replaced-url
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• 4053[23:05:00] <n4dir> thank you, sir greycat
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• 4058[23:07:44] <n4dir> not at clear as it seems: a) remove systmd-sysv package" b) install systemd-sysv ?
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• 4060[23:08:11] <greycat> the - at the end is significant.
• 4061[23:08:11] <n4dir> or with the hyphen ... puh
• 4062[23:08:25] <greycat> I would NOT have chosen that syntax if I were the one writing that program.
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• 4083[23:14:32] <n4dir> i see. never ran into it. thanks
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• 4116[23:30:53] <dokma> I'm trying to debug a catdoc bug. Can someone give me a hand? You can see it live here: replaced-url
• 4117[23:31:03] <dokma> It's catdoc from Debian stable.
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• 4119[23:32:35] <mekeor> dokma: link doesn't work for me
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• 4126[23:33:56] <dokma> hmmm... perhaps I need to forward the port on the router
• 4127[23:34:00] <dokma> give me a sec
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• 4130[23:35:07] <mekeor> Q: after a dist-upgrade and a reboot, my (QNAP) (NAS) server isn't visible on the network anymore. any ideas what i could do?
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• 4133[23:36:08] <dokma> mekeor: this one? replaced-url
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• 4138[23:38:04] <mekeor> dokma: yes, works
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• 4141[23:38:32] <dokma> is there any way I can ask gdb if a pointer is within the memory space of a process?
• 4142[23:38:52] <jrtc27> attach and dereference it?
• 4143[23:39:17] <jrtc27> or check /proc/<pid>/map or whatever it is
• 4144[23:39:34] <dokma> jrtc27: you can see what I'm doing here: replaced-url
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• 4153[23:45:05] <dokma> seems like it can't detect the charset?
• 4154[23:45:10] <dokma> is anyone following?
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• 4164[23:47:51] <kuldeep> what will happen if my debian/control jump from "Standards-Version: 3.9.6" to "Standards-Version: 3.9.8". (after i see the program reporting "W: libbox0 source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.9.6 (current is 3.9.7)") can i safely assume that the program will not have problem? (because according to it, current standard is 3.9.7)
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