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1[00:00:59] <bouzu> <velix>: if you just want to run 2 services on the machine i would not use any virtualization at all. not worth the effort imho
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18[00:11:40] <Delf> Just updated chromium and now the sound for my usb does not want to work properly
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20[00:12:31] <Delf> No errors in logs. However, I can see in gnome-shell taking lots of cpu and in the sound extension for gnome… chromium alsa player appears and disappears a few hundred times
21[00:12:38] <somiaj> there is an issue with chromium and pulseaudio I belive
22[00:12:57] <Delf> It doesn't happen when I switch to pci sound device
23[00:13:04] <somiaj> hmm, unsure about that
24[00:13:20] <Delf> Something new related to the security updates?
25[00:13:30] <somiaj> this on jessie?
26[00:13:32] <Delf> Yes
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28[00:13:50] <somiaj> could be, the issue I saw was in sid not jessie though
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30[00:14:08] <c-c> Delf: so, an usb sound device?
31[00:14:26] <Delf> c-c: Yes. creative sound blaster hd performance usb
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33[00:16:17] <klow> Question - Using KVM (proxmox) , I have been cloning a VM template, and specifying the kernel params is necessary for this operation. I had to specify root=/dev/mapper/blah--foo--root because when I did the initial debian install, I named the "machine" blah-foo . Why does LVM (?) use the hostname(?) for this "device" . Can I change this in my VM template ?
34[00:16:34] <Delf> 55.0.2883.75-2 is sid and 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1 is on jessie
35[00:17:03] <Delf> somiaj: Maybe it's the same issue?
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37[00:17:55] <Delf> Those versions seem close but then again… I don't even know what the last part of it stands for. -2 and -1~deb8u1
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39[00:20:35] <somiaj> Delf: don't think so since it is only your usb device.
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43[00:22:45] <c-c> klow: hostname? for identifying machines
44[00:22:58] <Delf> Maybe it's worse… only a specific usb device. Going to test with other usb devices now
45[00:23:33] <klow> c-c : I'm asking why does the debian installer set the LVM volume device name based on the hostname .
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48[00:25:07] <c-c> klow: so that you'd know the backed up volume?
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61[00:35:33] <Delf> Err… is it possible to "hold" packages from security?
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68[00:37:31] <Delf> aptitude understands hold but apt doesn't seem to care
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70[00:38:12] <TomTomTo1> because apt has different funktionality.
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76[00:39:22] <TomTomTo1> or do you mean that apt tries to upgrade that package, even if it's on hold?
77[00:39:40] <Delf> TomTomTo1: Exactly :)
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79[00:39:50] <TomTomTo1> apt-get should respect it.
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83[00:41:13] <Delf> I did hold in aptitude, not in apt-get. I was referring to just apt. But it seems that apt-get also doesn't respect it.
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90[00:44:45] <Delf> did apt-mark hold and now both (apt and apt-get) seems to respect it
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94[00:46:29] <Delf> So, what aptitude holds, apt(-get)? does not? - Excuse the regex
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101[00:48:37] <velix> bouzu: hmm, on ##hardware anyone suggest me to use ESXi for this :)
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104[00:50:11] <c-c> Delf: those are two different programs
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106[00:50:18] <c-c> Delf: like firefox and chromium
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108[00:52:22] <WormFood> Why, when I run something in a for/in/do loop in the background, does "jobs" show variables, like $i, instead of what it expands to? (this is with bash, if it matters)
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110[00:52:50] <bazhang> try #bash WormFood
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112[00:53:36] <WormFood> but, but, but, it's a debian system :P
113[00:53:48] <bazhang> just a suggestion
114[00:54:13] <c-c> WormFood: what do you mean "in the background", also #bash may be better for fork/subshell related
115[00:54:15] <WormFood> And, the proper suggestion. I thought about that before I asked here, but I figured I'd throw it out there anyways.
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119[00:54:25] <WormFood> c-c, with &
120[00:54:40] <c-c> WormFood: the proper suggestion is to present a pastie or gist with your code and input, and the output + problem
121[00:54:58] <bazhang> git?
122[00:55:02] <c-c> WormFood: in ##bash you'll get the same suggestion
123[00:55:02] <WormFood> c-c, it's not a problem per se, just curious
124[00:55:26] <c-c> WormFood: curious how we can guess at your vague description of something unclear?
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126[00:55:44] <WormFood> for i in * ; do blah "$i" & ; done ; jobs will show blah $i running in the background
127[00:56:07] <WormFood> c-c, I wasn't sure if I was clear enough. So, there is an example.
128[00:56:45] <WormFood> why doesn't it show $i as what it expands to? Why does it show it as a variable, when viewing my background processes with "jobs"
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130[00:56:55] <WormFood> er, instead of what it expands to
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134[00:57:33] <c-c> WormFood: does that run in your shell?
135[00:57:34] <WormFood> anyways, it isn't a problem, I'm just curious, as to why it acts this way.
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139[00:58:05] <WormFood> if I replace "blah" to a command that doesn't exit immediately, like tar for example.
140[00:58:24] <WormFood> for i in *.tar.xz ; do tar xvJf "$i" & ; done
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142[00:58:29] <WormFood> er, omit the ;
143[00:58:37] <WormFood> last one
144[00:58:40] <Delf> c-c: Yes. But when I install something using aptitude, apt would try to upgrade it. Don't know how "connected" they are.
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146[00:59:40] <TomTomTo1> Delf: aptitude uses its own database, while apt just uses the package selections.
147[01:00:27] <TomTomTo1> which is not clear from reading the man page.
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149[01:00:51] <c-c> WormFood: to me it seems those would be run in the same session
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158[01:05:35] <SantiAcq> Hello everybody, where should ask questions about the installation process?
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171[01:09:30] <josephine_> hello! im having trouble with image display. some higher quality images are appearing as very green (and red) while other images and the GUI look normal. any ideas?
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173[01:09:57] <josephine_> primary issue is in using darktable but also while browsing in firefox
174[01:10:18] <bouzu> <velix>: i think its way over the top to set up a hypervisor and 2 additional guest system to seperate 2 services which rely on each other (assuming some weapp using the db, right?). if one of them is gone the other one is useless as well. i like to keep things clean and simple. what are your reasons to use virtualization?
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256[01:45:57] <Wargreen_tab> hi here
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260[01:47:44] <Wargreen_tab> i got an issue at the build of the nvidia-drm.ko module with debian sid, but #debian-next seem to be invite-only
261[01:48:32] <c-c> !debian-next
262[01:48:32] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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264[01:49:35] <Wargreen_tab> oops, sorry !
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266[01:50:27] <c-c> np
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275[01:55:51] <Tylertwo> Hey, I'm trying to set up wifi on my laptop. It has non-free firmware, which I believe is in the firmware-iwlwifi package, which I downloaded. But now what? I run the command 'sudo iwlist scan' and it tells me several interfaces which 'don't support scanning'. I solved this a while back on a different computer but forget how. Any ideas?
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293[02:02:24] <Tylertwo> OK, got it. Added 'iface wlan0 inet dhcp' to interfaces file and ran an ifup.
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312[02:17:55] <HeXiLeD> seems there is some trouble installing teamviewer on debian 8. any working docs around ?
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321[02:24:00] <fred1807> is this valid in Debian Jessy too? replaced-url
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360[02:54:11] <maddawg2> does jessie use ufw for the firewall?
361[02:54:48] <abrotman> you mean "can it?"
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363[02:55:08] <abrotman> it's just a frontend for iptables
364[02:55:22] <maddawg2> yea i sorry. was wondering if it came pre installed
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366[02:55:27] <maddawg2> or do i have to add it
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368[02:55:55] <abrotman> probably have to add it
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381[03:07:49] <lethu> hello what's the package to add gtk settings to the system settings of kde?
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385[03:09:48] <maddawg2> so maybe you can help me with this abrotman i added ufw and gufw (a graphical front end) but i can't figure out how to launch it... lol the documentation for it doesnt seem to say.. it says it should be in System->Administration->Firewall configuration.
386[03:09:53] <maddawg2> but thats for ubuntu
387[03:10:00] <maddawg2> (even tho it says it supports debian)
388[03:10:10] <maddawg2> i'm using gnome but i have no clue where that would be
389[03:10:35] <c-c> maddawg2: open terminal. type $ ufw --help<enter>
390[03:10:50] <c-c> also try $ man ufw
391[03:10:52] <abrotman> maddawg2: are you in gnome?
392[03:11:16] <abrotman> maddawg2: sorry
393[03:11:18] <c-c> you can run gufw probably from terminal too, with "gufw &"
394[03:11:28] <abrotman> maddawg2: hit the windows key, start typing gufw ?
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396[03:12:10] <maddawg2> i did it's not showing as that
397[03:12:16] <maddawg2> in the search you mean i assume
398[03:12:26] <maddawg2> nor is it showing as "firewall configuration"
399[03:12:47] <maddawg2> which is how it would show in ubuntu
400[03:12:48] <maddawg2> :-\
401[03:13:38] <abrotman> it says it's /usr/bin/gufw
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403[03:17:10] <slick_> hey does anyone know the url for the aix portal also has TSM stuff i forgot the exact name of it its not adsm.org but similar
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408[03:21:54] <abrotman> slick_: ##unix perhaps
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425[03:31:18] <HeXiLeD> !vesafb
426[03:31:18] <dpkg> from memory, vesafb is crap, if you compile all the lowlevel text drivers as modules, which happens automagically if you have another fb driver selected as a module.
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429[03:34:20] <Delf> Plugged in a bluetooth receiver. When I go to settings in gnome and then bluetooth, all I see is: Devices '… Visible as "Fobaar"
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448[03:46:49] <kkla> ls
449[03:47:14] <dvs> dir
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451[03:47:21] <kkla> hello, I'm trying learn how to use to software aptitude
452[03:47:55] <kkla> I installed a packaged called aptitude-doc-en which I suppose provide me with more documentation about the software
453[03:48:25] <kkla> ok, the package is installed but I don't where to find more information
454[03:48:39] <dvs> about what?
455[03:48:49] <kkla> aptitude-doc-en
456[03:49:01] <kkla> I guess it is suppose to install some documentation somewhere
457[03:49:03] <kkla> but where?
458[03:49:08] <dvs> like "dpkg -L aptitude-doc-en
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460[03:49:13] <dvs> ?
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462[03:49:29] <iamawesome> iptables-save ; but after reboot, it disappears, how can I save permanently?
463[03:50:14] <abrotman> judd: info iptables-persistent
464[03:50:15] <judd> Package iptables-persistent (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: boot-time loader for netfilter rules, iptables plugin. Version: 1.0.3+deb8u1; Size: 10.7k; Installed: 66k
465[03:50:23] <kkla> dvs: thanks!
466[03:50:35] <dvs> no prob
467[03:51:02] <Delf> the service was disabled, apologies. I've probably done this and forgotten about it. Managed to pair the headset but when I try to slide the connect to on, it goes to off by itself. Clues?
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469[03:51:49] <iamawesome> abrotman: Can I avoid using iptables-persistent? Can I use only iptables to save the rule permanently?
470[03:52:25] <dvs> iamawesome, what use is saving the rules if they won't be loaded back?
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472[03:52:30] <dikiaap> I just had iptables only. But ip6tables settings is empty. Is that safe?
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477[03:56:50] <abrotman> dikiaap: do you have a public IPv6 address, and daemons listening on those IPs?
478[03:57:04] <LtL> iamawesome: run 'dpkg-reconfigure iptables-persistent' after you have your rules set to save them
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480[03:58:16] <iamawesome> I've installed iptables-persistent, I think, it will load the rules at startup now.
481[03:58:50] <LtL> iamawesome: maybe, doubtful
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502[04:10:22] <kkla> hey, recentely recently I've trying to learn linux more deeply, I've been reading several man pages and always trying to perform every task using the command line. I was wondering if some of you guys know a websites where I can find some practical exercises that simulates real world problems that sysadmin have to deal with, I think It would be a more efficient way to learn
503[04:10:43] <fred1807> replaced-url
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513[04:24:02] <Delf> Unable to connect because missing package (pulseaudio-module-bluetooth). It's working now. Apologies.
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525[04:33:42] <lethu> how to upgrade to sid?
526[04:33:46] <lethu> from jessie
527[04:33:58] <dvs> !sid
528[04:33:58] <dpkg> well, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
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530[04:34:12] <lethu> lol
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532[04:34:24] <lethu> I still want to upgrade to it
533[04:34:32] <themill> !iyhtays
534[04:34:32] <dpkg> If you have to ask, you shouldn't.
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536[04:35:32] <bluzeophone> for me lethu im running it and i am loving it. i reinstalled it
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572[04:57:39] <ImTheDankMemeNow> Does anyone know of a good IRC channel for selling computer hardware? I can't seem to find one.
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577[05:04:15] <HeXiLeD> what is the recommended browser (gui) for debian these days ?
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579[05:04:28] <ImTheDankMemeNow> Firefox
580[05:05:34] <HeXiLeD> deb 8?
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582[05:06:07] <ImTheDankMemeNow> Web browser, you mean?
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584[05:06:39] <HeXiLeD> yes
585[05:06:58] <HeXiLeD> seem ice is going too
586[05:07:17] <ImTheDankMemeNow> Iceweasel is Firefox, just with a different name.
587[05:07:46] <HeXiLeD> i know. (branding issues) But Iceweasel is also being removed
588[05:08:24] <ImTheDankMemeNow> Because the branding issues are over. Now it'll just be called Firefox, unless something else has happened recently that I don't know about.
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590[05:09:48] <ImTheDankMemeNow> See this article: replaced-url
591[05:10:11] <HeXiLeD> thanks :)
592[05:10:17] <ImTheDankMemeNow> Yw
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596[05:13:09] <afidegnum> iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -j REJECT disable the port 22, is there a way to filter it by IP address? i.e to allow port 22 to open from specific IP address?
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599[05:16:20] <Arcaire> yeah
600[05:16:23] <Arcaire> you add another rule afterwards
601[05:16:27] <asarch> Why there is no "perldoc Gtk2::ComboBox" at all?
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604[05:16:45] <asarch> How could I add those perldoc manuals?
605[05:17:02] <dvs> afidegnum, use a -d option with a jump to accept before that rule?
606[05:17:19] <Arcaire> afidegnum: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -s <your ip here> -j ACCEPT
607[05:17:43] <Arcaire> alternatively, you can do it in one rule if you remove the original reject rule (it should be drop imo, not reject), and do this:
608[05:17:57] <Arcaire> iptables -A INPUT -p tcp ! -s your.ip.addr.here -j DROP
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610[05:18:39] <afidegnum> i m trying to set up port knocking,
611[05:18:54] <afidegnum> do i install knockd on both client and server ?
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613[05:19:54] <Arcaire> server only
614[05:20:12] <Arcaire> you can install knockd on the client for `knock` though, if you want to use that to do the actual port knocking for you
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618[05:20:52] <afidegnum> so i knockso where shold this be applied ? knock -v 192.168.1.104 10001 10002 10003
619[05:21:09] <Arcaire> I think you need to go and read the knockd manual.
620[05:21:13] <Arcaire> These are questions contained therein.
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626[05:22:56] <afidegnum> because i tried applying the port knocking and applied the firewall rule,
627[05:23:00] <afidegnum> i have been locked out,
628[05:23:03] <afidegnum> i can't get access
629[05:23:30] <Arcaire> Never do anything network related without an out-of-band or physical connection to the box.
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639[05:26:58] <afidegnum> so can i run knock on the client?
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673[06:06:06] <afidegnum> so if i have port knocking activated, how do i knock from my client end?
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682[06:12:21] <oty> can debian check the integrity of installed packages ?
683[06:13:15] <themill> oty: it can verify if they are accidentally damaged on disk. This is not a security tester.
684[06:13:19] <themill> !debsums
685[06:13:19] <dpkg> from memory, debsums is a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files: "aptitude install debsums; debsums -a -s". Most packages come with md5sums included in the package; if apt's package cache is clean, then generate missing sums with "aptitude reinstall `debsums -l`". Ask me about <md5sums>.
686[06:13:45] <oty> great themill
687[06:14:17] <themill> (It's not a security measure for the simple perspective of "who tests the tester")
688[06:14:59] <oty> exacly what I'm looking for. After a "dd" from a USB disk, I think part of it was corrupted ; two apps were fixed by "rove; install again at same version 'n all" ; I should reinstall everything at this point, but I'd prefer check to be sure
689[06:15:15] <oty> *remove
690[06:16:12] <themill> you can always just "aptitude reinstall ~i"
691[06:16:46] <oty> Ho you can do that :o
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693[06:17:41] <oty> Mhm, neat. Thanks
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728[06:44:04] <rklopfer> does anyone know how to deal with this "NET::ERR_CERTIFICATE_TRANSPARENCY_REQUIRED" error from the browser?
729[06:44:12] <rklopfer> i see it from amazon.com for example
730[06:44:24] <rklopfer> but not google
731[06:44:37] <rklopfer> or github
732[06:46:02] <rklopfer> the internet reminded me to install ntp, which i did.. still no joy
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765[07:05:20] <rklopfer> found my problem: replaced-url
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773[07:09:34] <Agafnd> when I `sudo pip install` something, I can only use it from python 2, not python 3. How come?
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789[07:24:20] <nano_python> Agafnd, Try pip3 install
790[07:24:27] <nano_python> or just python3 -m pip install
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792[07:24:40] <Agafnd> oh, there's a pip3?
793[07:24:52] <nano_python> Should be, last time I checked.
794[07:24:57] <Agafnd> in hindsight that should have been obvious
795[07:25:11] <themill> Also, never use 'sudo pip"
796[07:25:20] <Agafnd> why not?
797[07:25:28] <themill> It's such an awesome way of breaking things
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799[07:25:55] <Agafnd> Well, actually there does not seem to be a pip3
800[07:26:08] <nano_python> then you don't have it installed
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802[07:26:13] <nano_python> package is python3-pip I think
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804[07:26:39] <Agafnd> oh, there we go
805[07:26:42] <themill> There is -- and if you want to use it, then you're best off using it within a virtualenv or as a user. At least that way you only break python for one user and not your entire system (including all packages)
806[07:27:12] <Agafnd> ah, ok
807[07:27:36] <nano_python> yea virtualenv is pretty boss
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809[07:28:05] <themill> Actually, these are mostly all symptoms of not knowing what API stability is or why it is important.
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811[07:30:32] <Agafnd> so wait, how does one *not* run pip as root?
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813[07:31:03] <Agafnd> oh, with --user?
814[07:31:11] <nano_python> just pip or pip3
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816[07:31:13] <nano_python> no sudo
817[07:31:44] <Agafnd> 'just pip or pip3' returns permission errors.
818[07:32:12] <Agafnd> "could not create '/usr/local/lib/python3.4/dist-packages/num2words': Permission denied"
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822[07:33:32] <nano_python> nvm you are right, --user
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824[07:34:00] <nano_python> I have a custom python install so I forget these things.
825[07:34:33] <Agafnd> I assume you use nano too? :)
826[07:34:41] <nano_python> vim :p
827[07:34:48] <Agafnd> heh
828[07:35:05] <nano_python> been using vs code recently, liking that a lot
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832[07:37:39] <rklopfer> should i use "sid" or "unstable" in my apt/sources.list? or does it matter?
833[07:39:13] <nano_python> sid will be released as testing then stable in time, unstable will always be unstable
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835[07:39:33] <themill> no, sid is always sid
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842[07:46:22] <Agafnd> seems a little inconsistent. "sid" and "unstable" in a sources.list mean the same thing?
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845[07:47:10] <nano_python> I was wrong, themill is correct.
846[07:47:22] <themill> all they do is tell apt what directory to look in -- they are symlinks on the mirror
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848[07:47:38] <Agafnd> cool
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857[07:55:28] <rklopfer> themill, so at this point 'sid' and 'unstable' point to the same thing?
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859[07:55:54] <themill> always
860[07:55:56] <rklopfer> i just updated to sid and think it might be better to be on unstable
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864[07:57:25] <rklopfer> but, you're saying that they're always the same. therefore, there is no point in changing from 'sid' to 'unstable'
865[07:57:33] <rklopfer> or vice versa
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872[08:05:10] <rklopfer> sooo.. if i am on sid then i don't need any security updates in my sources.list?
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887[08:13:14] <rklopfer> no. there is no security updates repo for sid
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900[08:23:23] <HeXiLeD> !gqview
901[08:23:34] <HeXiLeD> :/
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939[08:48:45] <Epakai> can any of the apt installers accept a wildcard to match multiple packages?
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1037[09:31:34] <themill> Epakai: all of them can accept regexps
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1069[09:43:57] <qwebirc93444> anyone know where to find the source code for task-mate-desktop?
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1073[09:44:49] <Iridos> qwebirc93444, apt-get source task-mate-desktop
1074[09:45:13] <Iridos> use -v if you want to automatically unpack and build
1075[09:45:21] <Iridos> err, -b
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1078[09:45:25] <jelly> qwebirc93444: that's just a task metapackage containing lots of dependencies, no actual code
1079[09:45:33] <jelly> why do you want its source?
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1082[09:45:41] <jelly> !deb-src
1083[09:45:42] <dpkg> You can have apt download the <source package> from which a <binary package> was compiled using a "deb-src" line in your <sources.list>. A line like "deb-src replaced-url
1084[09:45:44] <Iridos> oh, you're right, didn't check for that
1085[09:45:54] <jelly> Iridos: it starts with task- !
1086[09:46:11] <jelly> that's a hint
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1088[09:46:36] <Iridos> jelly, wasn't really aware that means something… I think it's the first package with task- that I see
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1090[09:46:49] <Iridos> but makes a lot of sense
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1093[09:47:27] <jelly> tasksel menu in debian-installer just picks which task-foo packages to install
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1098[09:48:30] <Iridos> I see
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1100[09:48:43] <qwebirc93444> on the ftp it has source for almost every deb but not for tasks ftp://anonymous@ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/tasksel
1101[09:48:57] <Iridos> well, yeah, I thought it would after you said it's task-
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1103[09:49:24] <qwebirc93444> why then?
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1105[09:49:38] <Iridos> jelly, ha, see… my literal answer was still the best
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1107[09:50:07] <qwebirc93444> you mean -b... but -b what?
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1111[09:51:40] <Iridos> qwebirc93444, it's really fetching the tasksel package… and that is because of the stuff jelly said
1112[09:51:49] <jelly> qwebirc93444: apt-cache show task-mate-desktop
1113[09:51:58] <jelly> qwebirc93444: look at the Source: value
1114[09:52:25] <jelly> it's supposed to be there
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1117[09:54:06] <qwebirc93444> sorry still bit confused... do task- don't have source codes?
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1121[09:54:35] <qwebirc93444> i didn't understand what jelly said...
1122[09:55:01] <qwebirc93444> apt cach found it.. how to use the -b ?
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1132[09:58:09] <Iridos> qwebirc93444, it is only a package that is there to install a bunch of other packages via its dependencies
1133[09:58:42] <qwebirc93444> i downloaded the task, extracted it but it is empty only a controle file.... and a link
1134[09:59:09] <KimHansen> How do I select UTC timezone during install? I think it used to be under the "other" region but it is not there any more.
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1137[09:59:57] <themill> qwebirc93444: perhaps you're asking the wrong questions
1138[10:00:18] <qwebirc93444> so to create my own task- just change dependencies in controle file...?
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1143[10:01:31] <qwebirc93444> can task- also run post install bash script?
1144[10:01:33] <themill> qwebirc93444: from memroy, you can just drop a .desc in the relevant location
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1148[10:02:40] <qwebirc93444> themill on ftp their are not .desc files for task- files...
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1156[10:07:12] <themill> what does that actually mean?
1157[10:08:05] <qwebirc93444> themill, did you ask me?
1158[10:08:20] <themill> I'm probably not talking to myself.
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1161[10:09:56] <qwebirc93444> i'm not sure what you are asking.... but if you look on the ftp you will find source for most files but not for files starting with task- ftp://anonymous@ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/tasksel
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1175[10:24:53] <oty> I wanted to use "aptitude reinstall ~i" to check on all my packages integrity, but looks like I can't cause of the following error : "E: Couldn't configure perl-base:i386, probably a dependency cycle." ; can I ask to "ignore" this package ?
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1188[10:28:11] <darxmurf> hi all
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1192[10:29:02] <darxmurf> there is still no fix for NIS on debian stable to allow users to change their password when using shadow ?
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1196[10:32:24] <themill> qwebirc93444: that's a source package there; it contains lots of files. If you want to rebuild the package you need it. If you want to add additional tasks you do not.
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1202[10:38:09] <qwebirc93444> when creating a task- will tasksel also allow for running a post install bash script?
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1206[10:39:32] <themill> packages can do so but tasks cannot. it would be worth reading the documentation on tasks
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1208[10:40:23] <themill> (tasks are packages too)
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1215[10:46:21] <jim> tasks are generally packages that have no content, but their metadata has dependency relations to the packages for the task... since it doesn't actually have content, a postinst script doesn't make a lot of sense... post install scripts generally "finish" the install by making sure that any configureation files get placed, and filled in with a "default" config, or (using joey hess's debconf facility) the system finds out (usually by asking questions of
1216[10:46:21] <jim> the package installing person) what should go in the config files
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1223[10:49:07] <jim> for details, there's a debian packaging manual, which used to be part of the new maintainer's guide... I dunno if it still is, or where it ended up if not
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1228[10:50:12] <mrkotfw> Hello everyone!
1229[10:50:19] <jim> small word of warning... the debian packaging manual is big, and also, learning to package is a big undertaking
1230[10:50:43] <mrkotfw> I dd'd a Debian live .iso image to a USB drive, then with the rest of the space (2GiB), I created a EXT-3 FS named "persistence"
1231[10:50:54] <mrkotfw> I added the persistence.conf file with: / union
1232[10:51:07] <mrkotfw> And then I added "persistent" at the boot line in GRUB
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1234[10:51:23] <mrkotfw> I still see / as 400MiB, and not ~1.5GiB
1235[10:51:32] <mrkotfw> Is there anything else I can do to debug this?
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1237[10:51:35] <jim> is it that you're giving debian a trial run?
1238[10:51:52] <mrkotfw> Are you asking me?
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1240[10:52:05] <jim> yeah :)
1241[10:52:17] <mrkotfw> No, I don't have any disks available, but this 2GiB one
1242[10:52:24] <mrkotfw> And I need something small anyways
1243[10:52:32] <jim> I see
1244[10:52:47] <mrkotfw> But the key is that I'm looking for persistence across boots
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1246[10:53:07] <mrkotfw> Is there any way of debugging this? It looks like it's completely ignored
1247[10:53:28] <jim> I'm not familiar with the persistant live setup, as I've never done it... but plenty of folks here are
1248[10:53:39] <mrkotfw> Got it
1249[10:54:03] <mrkotfw> I hope somebody can shine some light on this... I haven't come across anything on Google that says anything difference what I've already done
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1258[10:57:53] <qwebirc93444> jim, i guessed packaging is not to easy so i wanted to start small, but turns out tasks are a bit to small...
1259[10:57:57] <qwebirc93444> im not actualy making app just collaction of things to install but need to run a post install bash script.
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1262[10:59:41] <jim> would anything in this collection be already packaged?
1263[11:00:11] <qwebirc93444> yes just packages form debian repo
1264[11:00:42] <jim> ok, let's see...
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1270[11:02:18] <jim> I guess this (we'll keep calling it a postinstall for now) does some kind of setup or some kind of bringing together of these packages, such that they perform in some specific custom way?
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1273[11:03:15] <jim> (just so you know, probably I'm going to lead to a different mechanism for doing the after-setup)
1274[11:04:22] <jim> there
1275[11:04:41] <jim> is something called preseeding which -might- work for you
1276[11:04:47] <qwebirc93444> ya, just copy over some short cuts, make few minor changes in config files and run couple of commands
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1280[11:05:50] <qwebirc93444> but preseeding also can do post install..... the taskel need to run first otherwise it will not work..
1281[11:06:07] <themill> making your own metapackage would be better than using a task
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1283[11:07:19] <qwebirc93444> ah... metapackage? but i do have a base install plus couple of optional additons....
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1285[11:08:14] <JyZyXEL> is it possible to downgrade a backported package?
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1289[11:09:22] <jelly> JyZyXEL: see if the older version is available at snapshot.debian.org
1290[11:09:32] <JyZyXEL> its available in the stable repo
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1294[11:09:57] <jelly> then just explicitely install the lower version
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1296[11:10:15] <JyZyXEL> what would be a good command for that?
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1298[11:10:18] <jelly> as always, downgrades are not guaranteed to work in any way or sense
1299[11:10:46] <JyZyXEL> Selected version '5.0-13' (Debian:8.6/stable [amd64]) for 'pulseaudio' pulseaudio : Depends: libpulse0 (= 5.0-13) but 7.1-2~bpo8+1 is to be installed Recommends: pulseaudio-module-x11 but it is not going to be installed
1300[11:11:03] <jelly> JyZyXEL: so you need to downgrade
1301[11:11:10] <jelly> multiple packages at the same time
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1303[11:11:21] <JyZyXEL> how do you do that?
1304[11:11:37] <jelly> apt-get install packageone=verision packagetwo=version
1305[11:11:40] <jim> JyZyXEL, since downgrading is not supported (pretty much at all), you -might- have to remove and/or purge the backport and then install the one in stable
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1307[11:12:03] <darxmurf> I replaced an old machine with a new one, I copied the old NIS config, existing users are able to logon but I can't change any password and when I create a new user, I can't logon with it
1308[11:12:16] <darxmurf> is there something specific to allow me to change passwords ?!
1309[11:12:25] <jelly> jim: that gets a bit funny when the thing you want to remove a purge is also a dependency for something else
1310[11:12:30] <darxmurf> even from root it returns a segfault
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1313[11:13:26] <_Nox> morning all
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1315[11:13:34] <jim> jelly, I'm just saying it's possible he might have to do that
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1317[11:14:18] <darxmurf> hmmm even now I can't change the root password... -> segfault :x
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1320[11:14:41] <jim> he probably shouldn't start with doing so, especially if the dependencies you're postulating exist
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1323[11:15:26] <jim> darxmurf, segfault? hmm, that's likely a different problem
1324[11:15:47] <JyZyXEL> jim: trying to: % sudo apt-get purge libpulse0:amd64
1325[11:15:52] <JyZyXEL> wants to remove hunderds of packages
1326[11:16:05] <JyZyXEL> it basically wants to destroy the whole system
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1330[11:17:11] <jim> JyZyXEL, hmm... so jelly's postulation is actually the case
1331[11:17:30] <JyZyXEL> what do you mean?
1332[11:17:47] <jim> he postulated dependencies...
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1334[11:18:06] <JyZyXEL> i cannot seem to be able to downgrade this package or purge it
1335[11:18:11] <jim> so, what you might try, is just installing the package
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1337[11:18:23] <JyZyXEL> it always wants to remove massive amounts of stuff
1338[11:18:24] <jim> oh, you can't do either
1339[11:19:50] <darxmurf> passwd: Authentication token manipulation error
1340[11:19:53] <darxmurf> Oo
1341[11:19:53] <JyZyXEL> libpulse-mainloop-glib0:amd64 libpulse0:amd64 libpulse0:i386
1342[11:19:56] <JyZyXEL> these are all a problem
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1344[11:20:10] <JyZyXEL> their removal or downgrade makes apt go crazy
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1346[11:20:17] <jim> hmm. it's possible what happened is it installed more backports, which it's now threatening to remove
1347[11:20:30] <JyZyXEL> no thats not the case
1348[11:20:38] <JyZyXEL> its wanting to remove stable packages
1349[11:20:42] <JyZyXEL> gigabytes worth
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1351[11:21:16] <JyZyXEL> why can't i just tell apt to downgrade without removing?
1352[11:21:56] <jim> the operation necessarily involves a remove (of the backported package)
1353[11:22:24] <JyZyXEL> well surely all the dependencies don't have to be removed?!
1354[11:22:42] <jim> that's what I'm thinking too...
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1356[11:23:07] <EnRobot> hello guys, what happen actually when reboot after grub screen goes blank? i need to power off then try power again then login screen comes out.
1357[11:23:08] <jim> but as you can see it's a very complex operation
1358[11:23:22] <JyZyXEL> i don't understand why
1359[11:23:44] <JyZyXEL> it just needs to delete the library and swap in another one
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1361[11:24:09] <jim> what program are you using to try the downgrade? apt? apt-get? aptitude?
1362[11:24:15] <jim> something else
1363[11:24:15] <jim> ?
1364[11:24:18] <JyZyXEL> apt-get
1365[11:24:21] <trewas> JyZyXEL: you can install a specific version with apt-get (apt-get install whatever=0.1.2.3), but with depencies it might not be that simple
1366[11:24:42] <jim> I wonder what aptitude would do in the same situation
1367[11:25:07] <JyZyXEL> its equally dump
1368[11:25:13] <JyZyXEL> dumb*
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1370[11:25:50] <jim> do you have lots of stuff in /var/cache/apt/archives?
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1372[11:26:25] <JyZyXEL> 8.2G
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1374[11:27:25] <jim> that dir contains the packages that got downloaded by apt-get... it could be the packages the system wants to remove, are in that dir
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1377[11:27:44] <JyZyXEL> sudo aptitude install libpulse0:amd64/stable libpulse-mainloop-glib0:amd64/stable
1378[11:27:47] <JyZyXEL> that worked
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1380[11:28:02] <jim> it did?
1381[11:28:09] <JyZyXEL> yeah, it simply downgraded the two packages
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1384[11:29:35] <jim> does apt-get -f install want to do anything? (probably it won't, as the system is still healthy)
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1386[11:30:41] <JyZyXEL> nope, it seems i solved it
1387[11:30:52] <JyZyXEL> i was able to reinstall everything that i had to purge
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1390[11:31:28] <jim> so... it seems you're all set?
1391[11:31:52] <JyZyXEL> after i restart kdm, i think so
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1393[11:31:59] <jim> the only thing I would think of, is to run a backup
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1400[11:35:13] <JyZyXEL> looks like the chromium pulseaudio bug is still there!
1401[11:35:20] <JyZyXEL> this didn't fix anything :(
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1406[11:36:20] <Kman> Hi there, can we change the default gnome interface to classic or "Ubuntu like" unity
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1409[11:37:45] <Kman> the new gnome's interface is not convieniet
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1412[11:38:53] <n4dir> new ? where have you been the last 2 years? On mars?
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1414[11:40:14] <TomTomTo1> Mate is a gnome 2 fork, if that's what you mean by classic. Unity is not in debian.
1415[11:40:16] <babilen> Kman: No
1416[11:40:31] <babilen> See replaced-url
1417[11:40:32] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1418[11:40:37] <babilen> Use Ubuntu if you want unity
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1424[11:41:24] <red3curity1> hello / how can i run u-boot in wheezy ? i install it from apt-get install u-boot but i dont know how can i write it to mbr ...
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1428[11:43:12] <babilen> red3curity1: Maybe the u-boot documentation discusses this? See replaced-url
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1432[11:45:02] <Silmaril> Hi guys
1433[11:45:16] <Kman> I only like generic gnome or unity
1434[11:46:01] * rafalcpp releases some depth-charges at babilen
1435[11:46:06] <Silmaril> I'm having a bit of trouble with sbuild-createchroot for creating a wheezy/amd64 schroot (wheezy/i386 is ok, jessie/amd64 and jessie/i386 also)
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1438[11:46:20] <Silmaril> where could i find help ?
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1441[11:46:37] <babilen> rafalcpp: Is there anything you need help with?
1442[11:46:48] <Silmaril> (the process crash with segmentation fault when installing base-passwd)
1443[11:46:51] <rafalcpp> babilen: nope
1444[11:46:57] <babilen> Silmaril: That's documented/reported ..
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1446[11:47:25] <Silmaril> is it ? i could only find a fixed bug for debootstrap
1447[11:47:27] <rafalcpp> although actually. On Chinese or Japanese linux, can someone test for me,
1448[11:47:31] <babilen> Silmaril: You have to boot with "vsyscall=emulate" on the kernel command line
1449[11:47:38] <rafalcpp> in what encoding actually is the console there? is it utf-8?
1450[11:47:51] <rafalcpp> or is the console using special code page like that BIG5 something
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1453[11:48:10] <Silmaril> babilen: thanks !
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1455[11:48:13] <babilen> Silmaril: Editing /etc/default/grub and ensuring 'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet vsyscall=emulate"' is in there should do the trick .. I think it was mentioned in a NEWS file or I found it in a bug report
1456[11:48:26] <babilen> Run "update-grub2" after making changes
1457[11:48:59] <Silmaril> yes i know, thanks i couldn't find on google
1458[11:49:00] <babilen> replaced-url
1459[11:49:01] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1460[11:49:05] <babilen> Silmaril: ^
1461[11:49:43] <Silmaril> ok i didn't search under linux !
1462[11:49:51] <Silmaril> only on sbuild/debootstrap
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1464[11:50:32] <babilen> Silmaril: It's also documented in a NEWS file somewhere
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1467[11:51:16] <Silmaril> yeah i see that on the bugreport, on a linux-image meta package that i don't use
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1469[11:51:58] <Silmaril> anyway thank you very much
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1471[11:52:21] <babilen> You are welcome, happy building!
1472[11:53:54] <Silmaril> thks
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1489[12:04:59] <Rajko> why MYSQL wont suddenly start
1490[12:05:03] <Rajko> and theres ABSOLUTELY NEVER ANY LOG OUTPUT
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1492[12:05:58] <Rajko> how do i run it in shell ?!
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1495[12:06:43] <babilen> Rajko: Why is there no indication of a problem? What have you tried to find logs ?
1496[12:06:59] <Rajko> theres nothing written to /var/log/mysql.log/err or nothing in /var/log/mysql folder
1497[12:07:11] <babilen> Rajko: Which version of Debian are you using?
1498[12:07:14] <Rajko> wheezy
1499[12:07:29] <babilen> So, what happens if you restart the service?
1500[12:07:33] <Rajko> FAILED
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1502[12:07:40] <Rajko> after it shows dots for 15 secs
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1504[12:08:20] <Rajko> how do i start it non forked or at least get to see its log output !
1505[12:08:25] <babilen> Rajko: What have you set concerning logging in my.cnf ?
1506[12:08:30] <Rajko> nothing
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1508[12:08:41] <Rajko> its whatever the default is
1509[12:08:44] <babilen> Rajko: I doubt that is the case ..
1510[12:08:49] <babilen> There should be settings in there
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1512[12:09:18] <Rajko> replaced-url
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1518[12:10:26] <Rajko> [mysqld_safe]
1519[12:10:26] <Rajko> syslog
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1529[12:12:01] <Rajko> replaced-url
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1538[12:12:59] <Rajko> i have absolutely no secure-file-priv entry in my.cnf
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1540[12:13:02] <babilen> Rajko: It's being logged to syslog, are you *sure* that it's not in /var/log/daemon.log, /var/log/messages, /var/log/syslog ?
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1542[12:13:10] <Rajko> i just pasted the error
1543[12:13:13] <Rajko> it complains about that
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1545[12:13:53] <babilen> So you do have logs :)
1546[12:13:55] <themill> and does /var/lib/mysql-files exist? and is it accessible?
1547[12:14:00] <Rajko> it was in /var/log/syslog
1548[12:14:02] <Rajko> FOR NO REASON
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1550[12:14:12] <themill> less shouting, more cooperation
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1555[12:15:11] <themill> You're welcome.
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1570[12:23:04] <utente> hi i just istalled jessie 8.6 and i don't find amule into repositories. is it dropped at all (why?) or replaced with another program?
1571[12:23:53] <babilen> It's not in jessie, but in debian multimedia .. You might want to use an alternative
1572[12:23:57] <babilen> judd: v amule
1573[12:23:59] <judd> Package: amule on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.3.1-9; jessie-multimedia: 2.3.1+git1a369e47-dmo4bp1; sid: 1:2.3.2-1+b2; stretch: 1:2.3.2-1+b2
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1576[12:24:51] <utente> babilen, should i add anoter repository?
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1588[12:31:42] <TomTomTo1> ,checkbackport amule
1589[12:31:45] <judd> Backporting package amule in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual.
1590[12:32:02] <TomTomTo1> !tell utente about ssb
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1592[12:32:37] <TomTomTo1> utente: you can build from sid source. the bot sent you instructions.
1593[12:32:37] <utente> TomTomTo1, thanks :)
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1596[12:35:29] <Kman> hi, how to reset root passwd, i forget it
1597[12:35:46] <Kman> i dont want to reboot my system
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1599[12:36:27] <Silmaril> Kman: well you don't have many other choice than init=/bin/bash and manually reset
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1602[12:37:16] <Kman> ok, thanks
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1604[12:37:38] <Kman> when does the next debian come out? namely debian 9
1605[12:37:44] <TomTomTo1> you don't have sudo set up?
1606[12:37:47] <Silmaril> expect if you have a sudo in place
1607[12:37:53] <Kman> i have beening using debian since 5.0
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1609[12:37:54] <darxmurf> how can I allow NIS clients to change their password with /usr/bin/passwd `
1610[12:37:55] <darxmurf> ?
1611[12:38:05] <Silmaril> or a old kernel with a security issue ;)
1612[12:38:34] <Kman> sudo is removed from current user
1613[12:38:50] <TomTomTo1> !stretch pool 1
1614[12:38:50] <dpkg> ! bæbīlen=2017-05-06 TomTomTosch=2017-08-08 greycat=2017-08-15 jellÿ=2017-03-17 themíll=2017-05-01
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1618[12:39:22] <TomTomTo1> we don't know the exact date of stretch' release.
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1649[12:55:58] <red3curity1> can i boot debian without initrd ?
1650[12:58:00] <superlinux> hi. I don't know whether my question is valid here. teamviewer 11 does connect. teamviewer 12 does not connect. teamviewer 11 says "Ready to connect" . teamviewer12 says "not ready. please check your connection". teamviewer12 yesterday was working with me.
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1654[12:58:22] <superlinux> so.. what's going on?!!
1655[12:58:28] <hanshenrik> why is there practically 200 different languages wasting space in /usr/share/locale ?
1656[12:58:36] <hanshenrik> according to ls | wc -l , its 197
1657[12:58:43] <hanshenrik> when i need (and want!) just english
1658[12:58:45] <MusicalBeing> because diversity
1659[12:59:06] <hanshenrik> is it safe to just delete the languages im not interested in?
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1661[12:59:31] <MusicalBeing> installing will bring them back
1662[12:59:33] <Walex> hanshenrik: there is a specific tool for that
1663[12:59:55] <hanshenrik> Walex, know the name of this tool?
1664[13:00:02] <Walex> hanshenrik: look for package 'localepurge'
1665[13:00:10] <petn-randall> hanshenrik: You can use localepurge, but are you really fighting for every MB on your disk?
1666[13:00:53] <MusicalBeing> editing /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99translations will work?
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1668[13:01:02] <hanshenrik> or perhaps im fighting for find / performance
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1670[13:01:09] <hanshenrik> not sure
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1672[13:01:30] <MusicalBeing> i use ubuntu, thats why im not sure
1673[13:01:40] <petn-randall> hanshenrik: There are better tools for that, then.
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1675[13:01:50] <hanshenrik> what tools?
1676[13:01:54] <hanshenrik> >locate
1677[13:01:56] <WormFood> I have a usb device, that has driver support in debian, however the usb ID isn't registered with the driver it needs (no driver is registered for it's USB ID). I remember there is a way, to add the usb device IDs, on-the-fly, without needing to recompile a slightly modified driver, with that ID. Does anyone know what I need to search for, to find this information? (I stumbled across it once before, but can't find it again)
1678[13:01:56] <petn-randall> MusicalBeing: Ask in #ubuntu then, this channel supports Debian only.
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1680[13:02:16] <MusicalBeing> petn-randall, i was just trying to help hanshenrik
1681[13:02:30] <Walex> WormFood: some USB drivers accept a USB id parameter, some don't.
1682[13:02:58] <WormFood> Walex, what I'm talking about is a Linux thing, not a driver thing.
1683[13:03:02] <petn-randall> hanshenrik: locate, dlocate, ack, apt-cache, depending on what exactly the task is.
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1688[13:03:52] <WormFood> Walex, I remember, I loaded the drivers, and then cat'ed my ID's to a file, and then it worked.
1689[13:04:13] <Walex> WormFood: there are tables that map from USB/PCI ids to modules under '/lib/modules/$VER/' but those are extracted from the driver compiled in table.
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1691[13:04:39] <Walex> WormFood: that is still driver dependent. Some drivers allow you to update the list of ids via /sys, some dont
1692[13:04:43] <WormFood> Walex, that isn't what I'm talking about. My id wouldn't be on that table anyways. It needs to be added.
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1696[13:06:01] <Walex> WormFood: perhaps I haven't been clear: some drivers allow you to update the table dynamically, some don't.
1697[13:06:29] <MusicalBeing> Walex, im curious, what debian do you use?
1698[13:06:36] <WormFood> Walex, yeah, I think you're right. I was thinking it was a system level thing, but it does appear to be a driver level thing.
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1701[13:07:45] <Walex> WormFood: you may want to check '/sys/module/$NAME/parameters/'
1702[13:08:06] <chomwitt> why a libfoodev file contains only static libs and links to dynamic ones?
1703[13:08:26] <chomwitt> file->package
1704[13:08:37] <WormFood> Walex, I think I found it, based on what you said earlier. You pointed me in the right place to look. Thanks.
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1709[13:09:08] <Walex> chomwitt: that depends on the package
1710[13:09:18] <_1pipl_test> Hello, could you point me to resources on how to reset xorg config stack? Failed an nvidia-driver install and would like to revert back to nouveau ideally in state similar to fresh system install
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1712[13:09:49] <_1pipl_test> blacklisting nvidia driver was suggested to me
1713[13:09:55] <Walex> _1pipl_test: how did you install the nVidia driver?
1714[13:09:59] <WormFood> _1pipl_test, I hope you're not booting into graphical mode by default.
1715[13:10:24] <chomwitt> Walex: i dont get it, the libfoo contains the libs why could a libfoodev contains again libs. shouldnt contain only headers?
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1720[13:11:04] <WormFood> I forget the command to configure xorg from scratch, but there is a CLI tool to help you.
1721[13:11:38] <n4dir> smoothing like: X -configure ?
1722[13:11:39] <_1pipl_test> Walex: opened synaptic, selected nvidia-driver, clicked apply
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1724[13:12:20] <_1pipl_test> from within running kde session if it matters
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1726[13:12:36] <Walex> _1pipl_test: then you can just uninstall the 'nvidia-driver' package.
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1733[13:13:14] <Walex> _1pipl_test: if you want to have both 'noveau' and proprietary driver install and switch between them that's a lot hairier
1734[13:13:54] <_1pipl_test> Walex: atm, DE is broken, I get a black screen - need to do it from recovery terminal
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1738[13:14:12] <_1pipl_test> I apologise for lack of that crucial info
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1740[13:14:57] <_1pipl_test> Walex: though would apt-get uninstall nvidia-driver work?
1741[13:14:58] <Walex> _1pipl_test: well, uninstalling 'nvidia-driver' is as simple as: apt-get remove --purge nvidia-driver
1742[13:15:10] <_1pipl_test> yeah that - much obliged :D
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1744[13:15:25] <_1pipl_test> will try it later today
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1747[13:17:10] <darxmurf> There is no way for users to change their password in NIS on a jessie machine ?
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1750[13:18:08] <_1pipl_test> How do I enter #debian-next? I would like to confirm that KDE + nvidia-driver 375.20-4 stack works out of the box
1751[13:18:24] <petn-randall> !debian-next
1752[13:18:24] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1753[13:18:27] <Walex> _1pipl_test: on OFTC, not freenode
1754[13:18:29] <petn-randall> _1pipl_test: ^^^
1755[13:19:06] <_1pipl_test> Ah, thanks again
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1757[13:19:07] <Walex> _1pipl_test: IRC.Debian.org is the supposedly canonical name
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1761[13:20:41] <_1pipl_test> Before I go to irc.oftc, could maybe someone here confirm that KDE + nvidia-driver 375.20-4 (current latest) works out of the box on sid?
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1763[13:21:47] <n4dir> before i go there; is funny, cause you already asked there a couple of minutes ago (or at least someone with the same nick)
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1771[13:24:56] <_1pipl_test> n4dir: phew, thanks for verifying that I sent it to the right place before :)
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1774[13:26:10] <n4dir> _1pipl_test: sometimes people simply don't answer (either no one is there or no one knows the answer). I read your question, but sure have no clue
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1776[13:26:57] <n4dir> i just ask again, but wait a reasonable time. (half an hours seems medium reasonable to me).
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1778[13:28:28] <_1pipl_test> n4dir: that is ok. I use irc once a year or so, and it is my first time od deb channels, so I do not know my way around yet all that much.
1779[13:29:03] <n4dir> tell me about it. anyway: good luck
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1781[13:29:35] <_1pipl_test> thanks, ty for help and info :)
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1783[13:30:06] <Kiril> hello
1784[13:30:36] <petn-randall> Hi Kiril
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1787[13:32:16] <Kiril> could you clarify where is located openssl for --enable-openssl=
1788[13:32:31] <Kiril> i tried with /usr/bin/openssl
1789[13:32:48] <Kiril> and /usr/include/openssl but can not fiind the openssl
1790[13:34:01] <n4dir> i usually copy the file ~/.claws-mail to the next installation, and when i start claws-mail i am ready to go. Doesn't work this time (i am asked for the password anyway).
1791[13:34:08] <n4dir> Did i miss a file i have to copy too?
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1793[13:34:20] <WormFood> Kiril, it's probably looking for the openssl headers, which I hope you installed (probably the -dev package)
1794[13:34:26] <n4dir> the claws versions are very different, might that be the reason?
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1796[13:35:12] <WormFood> Kiril, actually, you didn't give us enough information to go on. What is whatever you're using looking for? The openssl header files, or the executable?
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1805[13:38:18] <Kiril> WormFood iam not sure what the package seeking
1806[13:38:44] <Kiril> --enable-openssl=DIR Enable OpenSSL support (DIR optional).
1807[13:39:01] <WormFood> Kiril, did you install the openssl-dev package?
1808[13:39:16] <Kiril> y
1809[13:39:27] <WormFood> that may not be the actual name of the package
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1811[13:39:39] <Kiril> root@GumBall(~)# dpkg -l |grep libssl
1812[13:39:39] <Kiril> ii libssl-dev:amd64 1.0.1t-1+deb8u5 amd64 Secure Sockets Layer toolkit - development files
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1815[13:39:56] <Kiril> ii libssl1.0.0:amd64 1.0.1t-1+deb8u5 amd64 Secure Sockets Layer toolkit - shared libraries
1816[13:39:56] <Kiril> root@GumBall(~)#
1817[13:40:02] <Kiril> all is here
1818[13:40:07] <WormFood> Kiril, look in /usr/src, and see if you spot an openssl directory there. If so, point your stuff there.
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1820[13:40:47] <Kiril> nothing there
1821[13:40:48] <Kiril> at all
1822[13:41:11] <WormFood> so, did you install libssl-dev?
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1829[13:43:14] <WormFood> Kiril, /usr/include/openssl is probably what you want, if you have the -dev package installed.
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1836[13:45:41] <bricked> Hi, I've tried to repair a corrupted hard drive by restoring superblowck from backup (first mount -sb, then fsck -b). Nothing worked. Is there any way I can recover data when the superblock is bad ?
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1842[13:47:25] <jusss> can debian wheezy use the latest kernel 4.9?
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1844[13:48:09] <Kiril> WormFood already tried ;)
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1848[13:48:29] <petn-randall> bricked: the superblock of what exactly?
1849[13:48:30] <babilen> jusss: I don't see why not, but there are, AFAIR, no packages for it. If you were to upgrade to jessie you'd get 4.7 in jessie-backports and it won't be long before 4.9 is available
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1851[13:48:57] <Kiril> another question
1852[13:49:06] <Kiril> who can update the following package
1853[13:49:10] <Kiril> root@GumBall(~)# dpkg -l |grep tcl-tls
1854[13:49:10] <Kiril> ii tcl-tls 1.6+dfsg-3 amd64 TLS OpenSSL extension to Tcl
1855[13:49:14] <Kiril> with the latest one
1856[13:49:15] <Kiril> ?
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1860[13:50:12] <bricked> petn-randall: superblock of a corrupted hard drive (sata). It was too late before I realized the hard drive was corrupted.
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1867[13:52:01] <babilen> Kiril: That is the latest on in jessie
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1873[13:52:39] <jusss> babilen: how to check my current debian is jessie or wheezy?
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1880[13:53:31] <n4dir> cat /etc/debian_version
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1882[13:53:34] <jusss> upgrade wheezy to jessie often cause problems?
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1884[13:54:09] <jusss> n4dir: 7.8
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1886[13:54:21] <n4dir> sounds like wheezy to me
1887[13:54:25] <bezaban> 7 is wheezy
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1889[13:54:27] <n4dir> sure wouldn't bet
1890[13:54:46] <babilen> jusss: See replaced-url
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1896[13:55:21] <jusss> but wheezy use system v init, and upgrade to jessie, it will change to systemd?
1897[13:55:27] <verysneaky817> hi guys, i just installed kali to play around with it a bit, but I cant seem to connect to my hotel's open wifi. Does anybody have any idea why this could be? I havent been able to find anything through googling
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1903[13:56:13] <jusss> verysneaky817: which too you use to connect WiFi
1904[13:56:25] <bezaban> !kali
1905[13:56:25] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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1907[13:56:30] <jusss> network manager ? or wap_supplicant
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1909[13:56:34] <jusss> wpa
1910[13:56:36] <verysneaky817> just the network manager
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1913[13:56:54] <verysneaky817> tried with wap-supplicant too but not luck
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1915[13:57:01] <jusss> verysneaky817: you see ssid in the network manager?
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1917[13:57:07] <verysneaky817> yep
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1920[13:57:57] <jusss> set type as non crypt
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1924[13:59:08] <verysneaky817> i'm not sure what you mean; sorry I'm still pretty new to linux generally. how do i do that?
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1928[13:59:57] <jusss> verysneaky817: network={ ssid="your-wifi-ssid" key_mgmt=NONE } try this config with wpa_supplicant
1929[13:59:57] <jusss>
1930[14:00:09] <petn-randall> verysneaky817: Kali is not supported in here, please go to the correct channel. See dpkg's message above.
1931[14:00:39] <petn-randall> jusss: Feel free to support verysneaky817 in #kali-linux.
1932[14:01:09] <verysneaky817> ok i'll give it a go. thanks jusss.
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2000[14:30:15] <EnRobot> Hello guy's
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2004[14:31:40] <Kiril> babilen it's last -yes but it's not the newest.
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2015[14:33:44] <mallxs> i'm doing a: grep -v a_function_name * but now do wanne have lines where the function in defined i.o.w function a_function_name any idea how i can do that ?
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2020[14:34:42] <mallxs> in = is
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2024[14:37:55] <abrotman> mallxs: have you tried to 'man grep' ?
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2029[14:39:41] <VI> Is debian affect by the 2016 leap second issue ?
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2036[14:41:43] <mallxs> Hi abrotman yes i'm actually doing grep -vif makefile.lst $src > $dst to clean all the source code form debugging calls but that also removes the declaration of the debuging functions it self,
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2042[14:43:06] <abrotman> is there a differene in the declaratoin line versus the functions?
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2046[14:43:37] <converge> today there is new updates for jessie, is there a way to check if its security updates ?
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2048[14:43:37] <petn-randall> VI: To my knowledge any issues were fixed on the last or second last leap second.
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2051[14:44:03] <jelly> VI: what issue?
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2053[14:44:26] <VI> Redhat seems to be affect: replaced-url
2054[14:44:37] <r3m1> hello. I have a question about logrotate, because the doc I read is not clear about that. Assuming that I have put a logrotate config file in /etc/logrotate.d with the right owner and permissions, does logrotate needs to be launched manually or in a croned job to take that into account ?
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2056[14:44:41] <mallxs> abrotman: only the word "function" in front of it , but i don't know how to exclude a word
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2058[14:45:17] <petn-randall> converge: install apt-listchanges, and it'll show you the changelog before installing packages, and you can set it to ask for confirmation before installing.
2059[14:45:27] <stojic> VI: I guess this is the (resolved) bug report regarding that leap second issue: replaced-url
2060[14:45:28] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2061[14:45:36] <r3m1> also, is it possible to rotate a file into a custom location ? e.g. I have a file in /var/run/myfile.log and I dont want /var/run/myfile.log.1 but I want it in say /var/log/backups/myfile.log
2062[14:45:37] <abrotman> mallxs: can you put hte src file in a pastebin somewhere/.
2063[14:45:38] <abrotman> ?
2064[14:45:49] <converge> petn-randall: thanks !!
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2067[14:46:44] <VI> ok thx guys ;)
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2070[14:47:51] <jelly> VI: if you have the ntp package installed and ntpd is running, you'll have it handled as usual
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2073[14:49:43] <VI> <jelly> You mean If I have ntp runnig I have the bug ?
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2075[14:50:14] <VI> Cause NTP is not using tzdata while chrony use tzdata
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2078[14:51:41] <r3m1> anyone here familiar with logrotate ?
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2080[14:52:28] <babilen> r3m1: Pretend that this elusive person is around and ask your real question please :)
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2085[14:54:25] <jelly> VI: if you have ntp, you'll have the step or smear.
2086[14:54:28] <r3m1> I just did actually... but will rephrase my question. I see that logrotate is run as a cronjob with a logrotate file in /etc/cron.daily containing /usr/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf
2087[14:54:31] <jelly> depending on your config
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2090[14:54:59] <jelly> if your apps go crazy, you probably configured your systems to do the smear already
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2092[14:55:13] <r3m1> if I write a custom logrotate config file that I put in /etc/logrotate.d file, will it be run without modifications to either /etc/cron.daily/logrotate or /etc/logrotate.conf ?
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2097[14:55:57] <meldron> hey guys, how can i disable the on screen keyboard if I got a touch display?
2098[14:56:11] <jelly> r3m1: logrotate will run as usual, reading its main config file which has "include /etc/logrotate.d" in it by default
2099[14:56:20] <r3m1> also, is it possible that when a log file is rotated it's history version is placed in a different folder ? with a different name ? Possibly creating the folder with some wildcards ?
2100[14:56:24] <jelly> r3m1: so yes
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2102[14:56:59] <jelly> r3m1: man logrotate.conf is your friend, probably
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2104[14:57:18] <mallxs> abrotman: replaced-url
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2106[14:57:34] <bezaban> you can run a custom script using postrotate keyword, unsure if logrotate has the functionality built in
2107[14:58:11] <jelly> r3m1: if renaming to some crazy non-date-based template isn't possible, you can always use a postrotate script
2108[14:58:20] <jelly> ninjad
2109[14:59:37] <r3m1> I see
2110[14:59:53] <r3m1> there is an error message when trying to rotate a file in /dev/shm
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2112[15:00:08] <r3m1> because parent directory has insecure permissions (It's world writable or writable by group which is not "root")
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2116[15:01:40] <r3m1> and i have no questions about that :P
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2121[15:04:36] <cai_> #flood
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2124[15:05:12] <jelly> cai_: sorry, that channel is unusable really, can you put your stuff on replaced-url
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2126[15:05:44] <cai_> OK, thanks
2127[15:05:48] <abrotman> mallxs: Seems you just need to be more explicit with your match, such as including 'alert_log ( "' or something ..
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2130[15:06:46] <mallxs> abrotman: thanks for checking
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2149[15:14:14] <bouzu> mallxs: sed -r '/^\s*(alert|error)/d' test.src
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2151[15:15:01] <bouzu> mallxs: removes lines optionally beginning with whitespaces directly followed by alert or error
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2155[15:18:39] <gnu> TRUMP WON
2156[15:18:41] <gnu> you cucks got BITCHED THE FFFUUUCCCKKK OUT!!!
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2163[15:19:21] <abrotman> bouzu: you're so fancy :)
2164[15:19:26] <rafalcpp> well gnu, not all freenode/#debian users are like that, no need to be rude ;)
2165[15:19:33] <abrotman> rafalcpp: don't feed the troll
2166[15:19:36] <rysiek|pl> well, somebody just woke from a coma
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2170[15:20:04] <jelly> teehee.
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2175[15:20:16] <abrotman> really not very smart ...
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2178[15:20:19] <_nick_> :)
2179[15:20:23] <rysiek|pl> "WON" in Polish means "GTFO"
2180[15:20:27] <rysiek|pl> so, yeah...
2181[15:20:30] <abrotman> move on ..
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2210[15:29:31] <cai_> run a GUI app with only x window system installed, is it possible?
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2262[15:46:03] <doda> hi guys, how do i set apt-get to only remove an package if no other package depends on it?
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2264[15:46:30] <jelly> doda: set it to be automatically installed with apt-mark or aptitude
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2268[15:47:31] <jelly> next run of "apt-get autoremove" or aptitude would deal with it, and any other packages that are automatically installed but nothing depends on it
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2273[15:48:36] <doda> no, i mean when i'm uninstalling a package, sometimes it tries to uninstall linux-image for example, or something else
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2276[15:49:02] <jelly> and you want it to do what instead?
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2278[15:49:34] <jelly> can you show an example?
2279[15:49:36] <jelly> !bat
2280[15:49:36] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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2282[15:50:05] <zifxify> I would like to remount /var (dev,exec) when executing a dpkg-reconfigure from terminal automatically. This should be possible using the pre-invoke hook in /etc/dpkg.cfg{,.d}, any ideas in what I'm doing wrong replaced-url
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2288[15:51:11] <doda> this is actually only an issue when i'm trying to uninstall a bunch of packages at once, i don't know which packages i explicitly want uninstalled and which are dependant to those
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2325[16:04:25] <mallxs> abrotman: bouzu: It worked with grep -P, --perl-regexp example: grep -Pv '^((?!function).)*(alert_log|error_log)' test.src .. thanks for the support
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2332[16:07:05] <mallxs> bouzu: the problem was i also had calls with ClassName::functionName( ) etc
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2339[16:09:43] <jelly> doda: having a hard time understanding what the issue is, and what you're trying to run, what you expect and what is happening instead, sorry
2340[16:10:06] <petn-randall> mallxs: You might want to look into 'ack', which works better than grep for such use cases.
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2344[16:11:08] <Toordog_> Hi, I have sssd <1.8.4 deployed and we have an issue where alternative AD server won't be pick up if the first AD in the list is unresponsive. there is a bug reports for this versionsssd 1.8.4, but it seems like the repository of Debian 7 haven't upgrade their version of sssd. What should I do?
2345[16:11:45] <petn-randall> ,v sssd
2346[16:11:46] <judd> Package: sssd on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.8.4-2; jessie: 1.11.7-3; wheezy-backports: 1.11.7.3-3~bpo70+1; stretch: 1.14.2-1; sid: 1.14.2-1
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2349[16:12:42] <jelly> Toordog_: which bug number is it?
2350[16:13:38] <jelly> we have a dozen other closed source services where only one ldap or ad can be configured, so looking at a decent ha load balancer instead
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2352[16:14:50] <hexadecimal> hello
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2355[16:16:14] <Toordog_> trying to find the bug reports i lost my browser tab
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2360[16:18:00] <jelly> well I guess you can blindly try wheezy-backports on a test client, see if it works
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2364[16:18:18] <Toordog_> #2878
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2366[16:18:30] <Toordog_> replaced-url
2367[16:18:39] <jelly> oh, upstream bug
2368[16:19:38] <jelly> Toordog_: that doesn't look fixed anywhere
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2370[16:20:44] <Toordog_> they were waiting on libldap i believe
2371[16:21:21] <Toordog_> it is possible that our issue is not related to this bug, but before going very deep in the troubleshoot, i wanted to make sure I had actually a version without known issue
2372[16:22:03] <Toordog_> does anyone else using sssd and having issue where alternative would not be picked up if the primary is unreponsive?
2373[16:22:22] <Toordog_> (alternative servers)
2374[16:22:57] <jelly> well if it happens with ldap:// as well then it's not _that_ particular bug
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2380[16:24:00] <jelly> since debian builds openldap (where libldap* comes from) with gnutls, not openssl, it won't be the exact same issue anyway
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2382[16:24:52] <Toordog_> ok
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2385[16:26:10] <jelly> I don't have the fondest memories with lib-"hey lets output debug info to fd 2 regardless of what the app is using it for"-ldap
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2392[16:28:47] <Toordog_> I will push the investigation a bit further then.
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2398[16:34:09] <converge> I installed apt-listchanges , and configured it, but when I do apt-get upgrade, it wont show the changelog information
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2409[16:38:09] <converge> just found the problem
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2418[16:41:09] <petn-randall> converge: You might want to configure it with 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow apt-listchanges'.
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2420[16:41:37] <petn-randall> converge: I usually set it to show both NEWS and CHANGELOG, ask for confirmation, and use my default pager to show the changes.
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2425[16:42:49] <converge> petn-randall: havent heard of this tool before, it's great !
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2427[16:43:34] <petn-randall> converge: You're welcome! It's a 'must-have' together with apt-listbugs if you're running testing/sid, too.
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2550[17:36:33] <krakz> Hi
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2553[17:37:39] <jelly> hi
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2561[17:41:19] <krakz> I got a little trouble when using manual partioning ...
2562[17:42:00] <sillyslux> portioning
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2567[17:43:02] <krakz> Is 1 small partion use with EFI system, and another one containing the remaining memory space to manage LVM sound ok ?
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2588[17:49:11] <Silmaril> By the way since i'm here, my local repository (handled by reprepro) is working fine for every distributions we use (squeeze/wheezy/jessie) except for my laptop' sid
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2591[17:49:30] <Silmaril> i have seen the SHA removal page but i don't have the weak digest issue
2592[17:49:42] <Silmaril> only The following signatures were invalid: 0E2Fxxx
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2595[17:50:31] <Silmaril> any idea on top of your head?
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2601[17:52:58] <Silmaril> well it might be the sha1 issue still, the repo is signed in sha1
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2635[18:03:21] <Bonn333> Hi
2636[18:03:30] <centrx> !hi
2637[18:03:30] <dpkg> hello, centrx
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2640[18:05:05] <Toordog_> SSSD bug in HA, i tried to replicate the issue by adding fake IP for the primary AD host in /etc/hosts, so it would fail and bounce to the second AD server. (flushed cache each time), I were able to login with Primary purposely unresponsive. But when i entered a bogus hostname in the sssd.conf for ldap_uri, the behavior changed.
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2642[18:05:33] <Toordog_> I couldn't login anymore if the primary has a no DNS response (bogus hostname or dns is not responding)
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2654[18:10:35] <Toordog_> how can i find the maintainer for a package on debian?
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2660[18:11:40] <jelly> Toordog_: dpkg -s packagename
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2662[18:12:17] <jelly> or apt-cache show packagename, if it's not installed
2663[18:12:44] <jelly> however, if you want to report a bug, do it via the bug tracker system
2664[18:12:49] <jelly> !reportbug
2665[18:12:49] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
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2667[18:13:05] <Toordog_> thx for the info :)
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2671[18:14:16] <Toordog_> well my feeling is this bug has been reported already, matter of finding the report and to validate it is exactly the same root cause. if i'm right, it will only be to submit to the maintainer a request to push the fix to the repo
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2683[18:21:23] <jelly> Toordog_: if you know what the fix is, and a report already exists, you can mail that bug report and take note which fix it is
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2736[18:41:25] <zoogoo> i am having big big problems with a fresh install of debian 8. I am unable to do sudo nor am i able to login as root
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2738[18:41:41] <zoogoo> what is the fix. i have tried googling for some time now and still no fix has come up
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2742[18:42:55] <petemc> zoogoo: can you use su ?
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2747[18:43:47] <jelly> zoogoo: is sudo installed?
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2749[18:45:15] <zoogoo> sudo is not installed
2750[18:45:27] <zoogoo> i do not has shadow passwords installed either.
2751[18:45:49] <zoogoo> there has to be a work around for this
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2754[18:45:59] <greycat> How would you even *go about* disabling shadow passwords on Debian? I would have to research that. Something in PAM maybe....
2755[18:46:14] <zoogoo> shadow passwords is not installed
2756[18:46:18] <greycat> Dude.
2757[18:46:45] <greycat> Every Debian release from this millennium uses shadow passwords by default.
2758[18:46:57] <zoogoo> I have thought about re installing but that sort of defeats troubleshooting the issue in the first place
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2761[18:47:07] <`Kevin> zoogoo: you did not enable during the installation as prompted
2762[18:47:07] <sh00p> single user mode
2763[18:47:09] <sh00p> run passwd
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2766[18:47:29] <greycat> !i forgot root's password
2767[18:47:29] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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2770[18:48:17] <petemc> zoogoo: did you try "su" ?
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2778[18:49:35] <jelly> rescue mode boot menu option also asks for the root password, right?
2779[18:49:40] * jelly doesn't remember
2780[18:49:44] <greycat> There's a substantial probability that he broke something in his /etc/passwd while he was attempting to "uninstall" shadow passwords.
2781[18:49:56] <greycat> Whatever he thinks that means.
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2783[18:49:58] <`Kevin> what greycat pasted from dpkg ^ gets around root password being asked .. init=.
2784[18:50:13] <greycat> He may need to reconstruct the entire root: line
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2786[18:50:31] <`Kevin> replaced-url
2787[18:50:34] <`Kevin> ^
2788[18:50:47] <greycat> Why would I click a PNG in this context...
2789[18:50:58] <`Kevin> its for zoogoo :)
2790[18:51:02] <sh00p> it was a nice png
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2792[18:51:20] <jelly> greycat: if we're guessing wildly I'd wager more "does not understand what shadow passwords are" than "shadow passwords broken"
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2794[18:51:50] <greycat> Well, there's the implication that he *did something*. We just don't know what.
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2799[18:52:54] <jelly> I'd wait for the answer on "did you try su" and "did you only try to login as root from the GUI login screen or did you try the text console login as well"
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2803[18:53:54] <jelly> might be nothing is broken and things merely work as expected by default, that is: "root shall not login from *dm", and also "root shall not login via ssh and password"
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2805[18:54:02] <jelly> !next
2806[18:54:03] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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2825[19:00:07] <dtonal> hi, has somebody recommendations for how to backup my system? any tools you use? :)
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2829[19:00:36] <babilen> dtonal: I like dirvish
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2831[19:00:39] <greycat> I rsync to an external hard drive and also burn selected stuff to a DVD.
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2835[19:01:30] <jhutchins> dtonal: There are doezens of answers to that.
2836[19:01:54] <greycat> Do not think of "tools". Think of "What am I backing up, and where am I putting it", and then select the tools to do that.
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2839[19:02:25] <nullbyte_> how can add parameters to grub for every linux os boot I mean, default nouveau.modeset=0 becouse when i add it to /etc/default/grub it adds it to current OS only?
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2844[19:03:20] <greycat> Whatever you added to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= should have been copied to every choice when you ran update-grub.
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2848[19:03:48] <greycat> Note the difference between GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= and GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=
2849[19:03:54] <nullbyte_> greycat: yes but only for my current OS paramteres, Ubuntu
2850[19:04:11] <nullbyte_> yes i have tried with both of them
2851[19:04:19] <nullbyte_> ops Debian
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2853[19:04:25] <greycat> We do not support ubuntu here. Go to #ubuntu.
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2855[19:04:42] <dtonal> ok, i will have a look at rsync and dirvish.thx!
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2857[19:04:58] <SCHAAP137> dtonal, i like borgbackup a lot
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2859[19:05:08] <babilen> dtonal: dirvish uses rsync actually ..
2860[19:05:11] <SCHAAP137> dtonal, replaced-url
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2862[19:05:43] <dtonal> i see
2863[19:05:50] <dtonal> thx schaap137
2864[19:05:56] <SCHAAP137> yw
2865[19:06:05] <SCHAAP137> i use this to backup my homedir daily
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2868[19:06:34] <jelly> I only still use dirvish because it's horribly simple to pick and restore old versions
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2871[19:07:01] <nullbyte_> greyeax_
2872[19:07:03] <nullbyte_> greycat
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2874[19:07:25] <greyeax_> ?
2875[19:07:26] <jelly> probably doesn't like to be highlighted!
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2878[19:08:36] <jelly> mukmuk: if you're talking to someone, it's always better to write out the whole sentence of what you were going to say to them instead of just highlighting and then starting to write the actual line
2879[19:08:41] <jelly> pff
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2881[19:08:48] <jelly> nullbyte_: if you're talking to someone, it's always better to write out the whole sentence of what you were going to say to them instead of just highlighting and then starting to write the actual line
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2883[19:09:32] <nullbyte_> greycat: i am adding it to my default linux-debian GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= and GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= but for anotehrs distros doesn't work, don't want to boot with nouveau.modeset=0 parameter
2884[19:09:39] <nullbyte_> jelly: ok
2885[19:10:50] <babilen> nullbyte_: So it adds it for your current operating system (Ubuntu), but not for others?
2886[19:10:58] <nullbyte_> no
2887[19:11:08] <greycat> He seems to have changed his question. Now he's saying he DOESN'T want something.
2888[19:11:08] <nullbyte_> for debian not for others
2889[19:11:29] <jelly> nullbyte_: do you have a multiboot system?
2890[19:11:37] <nullbyte_> jelly: yes 3 distros
2891[19:11:41] <jhutchins> nullbyte_: Possibly Debian knows that Ubuntu isn't debian and might not take the same parameters.
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2894[19:11:51] <nullbyte_> jhutchins: yes
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2896[19:12:04] <greycat> Either that or his English is so bad that I can't decipher his sentences.
2897[19:12:18] <jelly> os-prober likely does not apply stuff from /etc/default/grub onto grub menu entries it generates
2898[19:12:42] <nullbyte_> jelly: i know, then how can i generete it for others
2899[19:12:46] <nullbyte_> ?
2900[19:12:46] <greycat> That's possible. Assuming that's even what he's asking.
2901[19:12:47] <nullbyte_> :)
2902[19:12:59] <jelly> nullbyte_: that's a good question :-)
2903[19:13:00] <nullbyte_> greycat: yes i am asking this
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2905[19:13:21] * jelly always says that when he doesn't know the answer
2906[19:13:31] <greycat> So when you said "don't want to boot with nouveau.modeset=0 parameter" you really meant "I DO want to boot with nouveau.modeset=0 parameter"
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2910[19:13:54] <nullbyte_> greycat: yes i really want to boot with nouveau.modeset=0 paramter
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2912[19:14:08] <nullbyte_> /etc/grub.d/somewhere?
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2916[19:14:38] * greycat doesn't have multiple linuxes on the same system at this time
2917[19:14:54] <nullbyte_> ok
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2928[19:18:25] <jhutchins> nullbyte_: info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'
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2931[19:19:48] <kevr> for some reason dovecot is not listening on port 993 for imaps, but it's listening on port 143
2932[19:19:51] <kevr> i'm so confused
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2935[19:20:23] <jelly> kevr: you don't need imaps and direct SSL. Use the normal port and STARTTLS.
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2937[19:20:37] <kevr> true, but i'd like it
2938[19:20:47] <jelly> is deprecated
2939[19:20:51] <kevr> is it?
2940[19:21:02] <jelly> has been for a couple years
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2944[19:21:10] <jelly> STARTTLS is the thing.
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2946[19:21:14] <kevr> huh
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2948[19:21:19] <kevr> okay.
2949[19:21:23] <jelly> and default ports.
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2954[19:21:47] <jelly> same for sending mail, submission (587/tcp) and STARTTLS
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2957[19:23:31] <jhutchins> kevr: replaced-url
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2966[19:25:32] <jhutchins> kevr: Also replaced-url
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2974[19:28:04] <jelly> okay, they're _supposed_ to be deprecated!
2975[19:28:21] <greycat> $[ was deprecated in bash in 2000 but people still write it
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2978[19:29:06] <jelly> people still use backticks
2979[19:29:14] <greycat> Yep, that too.
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2982[19:30:01] <jelly> oh hey, I have something for you
2983[19:30:06] <jelly> 0 10 * * * root for f in `/usr/bin/find /opt/local/jboss/server/production/log/. -mtime +7 | /bin/grep 'beesmart.log\|server.log'`; do /bin/rm $f; done
2984[19:30:10] <jelly> greycat: you like?
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2986[19:30:18] <greycat> Do not want.
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3026[19:42:38] <mrhanky> hi folks
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3038[19:47:20] <AlexLikeRock> hi mrhanky
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3069[19:55:10] <Guest12514> I put a small image (~250Mb) onto a USB stick to get into rescue mode, but I am stuck at choosing the rootfs - it says that /dev/LVM/root does not exist. In alt-F2, I tried a vgchange -ay and it says that "Module dm-raid not found". How can I get RAID support onto this USB stick?
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3072[19:55:50] <Guest12514> I used debian-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso.
3073[19:56:50] <jelly> the installer image is not a very good rescue image, but you can load extra kernel modules in the expert mode I think
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3075[19:57:11] <jelly> that includes full lvm support
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3081[19:58:46] <Guest12514> I know what I screwed up (crypttab) so I only need to get in, which is why I thought of using the rescue mode.
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3083[19:59:07] <mrhanky> i can recommend systemrescuecd as rescue image :3
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3087[19:59:36] <Guest12514> I will try the expert mode now.
3088[20:00:07] <jelly> i can recommend grml.org, it's debian-based and has zsh and screen
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3090[20:00:37] <mrhanky> sysrcd has nearly everything you could ever need on 450mb
3091[20:01:18] <mrhanky> oh btw grml, is there a debian package for their zsh config?
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3093[20:01:41] <Guest12514> mrhanky: The only USB stick I have lying around right now is 256Mb. :P
3094[20:01:47] <mrhanky> aw snap
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3096[20:03:11] <jelly> mrhanky: they have a repo with all the configs.
3097[20:03:15] <jelly> ALL OF THEM
3098[20:03:24] <tuxlovesyou> ALL THE THINGS
3099[20:03:32] <mrhanky> is the config updated?
3100[20:03:46] <greycat> mrhanky: not a #debian question
3101[20:03:51] <mrhanky> true :D
3102[20:03:54] <jelly> best place to ask questions like those is probably #grml
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3106[20:04:31] <jelly> only a few of their packages are present in debian
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3116[20:07:25] <Guest12514> I selected the "rescue-mode" component in "Load intsaller components" in the expert mode, but I cannot see the rescue mode option.
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3137[20:13:41] <Guest12514> If I get the testing version instead of 8.6, would it have RAID support? Or is it just something which I need to enable myself?
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3143[20:15:09] <darksnake994> hm
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3163[20:21:13] <Cookies34> replaced-url
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3170[20:23:58] <kevr> this fucking thing man.
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3178[20:28:51] <CryptoSiD> How to prevent dhclient to update /etc/resolv.conf
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3181[20:29:22] <greycat> modify /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf *or* brute force chattr the resolv.conf file
3182[20:29:32] <jelly> CryptoSiD: it depends. Do you have resolvconf installed?
3183[20:29:37] <jelly> !override dns
3184[20:29:37] <dpkg> To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer.
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3186[20:29:55] <CryptoSiD> i just did remove dhcp6-name-server
3187[20:30:04] <CryptoSiD> from the request settings
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3189[20:30:16] <CryptoSiD> and it still update resolv.conf with my router nameserver
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3191[20:30:35] <greycat> also remove the line with domain-name-servers
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3197[20:31:08] <jelly> (etc.)
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3199[20:31:58] <CryptoSiD> it still update resolv.conf after i remove domain-name-servers
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3207[20:34:19] <bwmf-printer> can anyone recommend me a HP laser printer manufactured in the last 2 years that prints only in black & white and can also copy and scan? It must be under 150 dollars
3208[20:35:09] <jelly> bwmf-printer: and that works on debian?
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3210[20:35:20] <bwmf-printer> yes
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3212[20:35:32] <jelly> good luck with that
3213[20:35:38] <bwmf-printer> sorry?
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3216[20:36:18] <bwmf-printer> jelly, are you telling me that i am after something that does not exist?
3217[20:36:45] <jelly> no, I'm wishing you good luck finding a positive answer
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3219[20:37:18] <jelly> for a cheap, laser, multifunction model that works well on linux
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3227[20:41:04] <jhutchins> I've had good luck with Brother printers, but I don't like sheet-feed scanners because sometimes I need to scan a book, and I don't like all-in-one devices because one function breaks and you have to replace the whole thing.
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3233[20:43:16] <unborn> bwmf-printer: mine one does.. but ist dell.. also I have hp printer scanner which I dont use but it also works.. 4 years old meh.. that dell is older - laser
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3235[20:43:27] <unborn> industrial I wold say
3236[20:43:34] <unborn> *would
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3239[20:44:11] <jhutchins> bwmf-printer: MicroCenter has a Brother laser printer for $80 and an Epson V39 scanner for $70, that's $150.
3240[20:44:30] <unborn> bwmf-printer: its dell 5330dn... it simply works (usb or network)
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3243[20:45:57] <elfuego> help
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3245[20:47:02] <greycat> Too late.
3246[20:47:08] <unborn> bwmf-printer: replaced-url
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3248[20:47:24] <jelly> fire usually requires no help
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3258[20:50:53] <jelly> that dell doesn't look like a device with scan and copy capabilities
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3303[21:00:18] <CryptoSiD> 0
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3306[21:00:31] <Rihanna> 8====D {()}
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3313[21:01:14] <B[]rG> Rihanna: :D
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3316[21:01:16] * jelly takes Rihanna's umbrella away
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3318[21:01:25] <mrhanky> no jelly :(
3319[21:01:55] <CryptoSiD> was cleaning my keyboard, forgot to put it off:D
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3393[21:30:43] <unborn> jelly: that dell is just printer.. no scanner.. I said I have printer and scanner (hp) which is mentioned earlier
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3396[21:31:48] <unborn> anyway I am off - gonna watch something else :) later folks
3397[21:34:10] <bwmf-printer> unborn, jhutchins: i am after a multifunction monochrome laser printer manufactured in the last 2 years, that is *since 2014* The printer should work on debian jessie WITHOUT proprietary drivers.
3398[21:34:30] <nikitamog> I'm just installed Jessie to my computer and I'm unsuccessful with obtaining the wireless drivers. I tried adding non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list but apt doesn't recognize the relevant packages.
3399[21:35:13] <nikitamog> The debian wiki says iwlwifi supports the packages but apt cannot find firmware-iwlwifi.
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3401[21:35:31] <nikitamog> *supports the network card
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3416[21:41:20] <jhutchins> !iwlwifi
3417[21:41:20] <dpkg> The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N) and 802.11ac adapters. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at replaced-url
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3419[21:42:05] <jhutchins> nikitamog: I'm guessing that you don't have non-free enabled (or you haven't updated).
3420[21:42:56] <nikitamog> jhutchins: I goofed. I added non-free at the end of the source file under jessie-updates.
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3451[21:57:22] <Guest12514> mrhanky: Thanks for sysrcd. I am one step closer now.
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3454[21:57:42] <mrhanky> :)
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3464[21:58:52] <ries> Hey guys, when I schedule a cron mail job at monday 8AM, does that main during the year that job take into account dailight saving and that I will get that mail at 8AM local time?
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3466[21:59:53] <greycat> It will run at 08:00 local time. It will take DST into account.
3467[22:00:02] <greycat> "local" being your system's default time zone
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3470[22:01:14] <ries> greycat: ok nice…
3471[22:01:36] <Infiltrator> ries: So, it actually may not take DST into account if your system is set to not use it.
3472[22:01:45] <Infiltrator> It just uses your system time, whatever it may be.
3473[22:02:01] <jelly> your system timezone*
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3475[22:02:34] <ries> Infiltrator: yes I understand, I need to make sure that it’s set to for example Europe/Amsterdam and not like GMT+1
3476[22:02:50] <greycat> Your default time zone will either use DST or not depending on how your local government chooses to do things, and subject to Debian's implementation of timezones being up to date with your government's silliness.
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3478[22:03:23] <ries> greycat: agreed on the silliness… on the other hand, it keeps developers buzy :D
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3573[23:03:16] <AlexPortable> How do I add NAT support for iptables to kernel?
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3634[23:25:37] <kevr> I'm using spamassassin, and my whitelist_from configuration is not affecting spam at all
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3636[23:26:50] <echosystm> hi guys i'm looking at pppoe guides on the webs
3637[23:27:01] <echosystm> and they have iface eth0 inet manual
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3639[23:27:12] <echosystm> pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up
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3641[23:27:18] <echosystm> i dont get it
3642[23:27:21] <HeXiLeD> cant seem to find replaced-url
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3644[23:27:30] <echosystm> if eth0 is already coming up, why do we call eth0 up pre-up ?
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3646[23:27:57] <greycat> pre-up is executed before the interface is up, obviously
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3648[23:28:28] <greycat> There are both if-up.d and if-pre-up.d
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3652[23:33:32] <echosystm> greycat: but the pre-up command is ifconfig eth0 up
3653[23:33:44] <echosystm> if eth0 is already coming up, why call ifconfig eth0 up pre-up ?
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3660[23:37:26] <adamwst> replaced-url
3661[23:37:27] <adamwst> replaced-url
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