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1 [00:00:23] <Alexej> Extracting templates from packages: 31%apt-extracttemplates: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg.so.5.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2 [00:00:26] <Alexej> debconf: apt-extracttemplates failed: No such file or directory
3 [00:00:39] <cheesus> Alexej: so you need to install that libapt package
4 [00:00:39] <Alexej> mi dist-upgrade failed at this
5 [00:00:47] <cheesus> Alexej: you can do that with dpkg -i "package"
6 [00:00:50] <Alexej> well but it needs libstdc++6
7 [00:00:53] <ferna> If kill -9 fails to kill a process what to do?
8 [00:00:59] <cheesus> Alexej: well do you know or don't you
9 [00:01:00] <Alexej> and it will need something also ...
10 [00:01:05] <nielmnon> i have really simple task to do and i wish someone could help me to resolve this. i need alsamixer [not gui] to run with pnmixer. what is the command to run alsamixer in the terminal alltogether?
11 [00:01:19] <towo`> ferna, then it's maybe a zombie and all youi can do is reboot
12 [00:01:23] <cheesus> nielmnon: alsamixer
13 [00:01:24] <Alexej> well I am douing dpkg -i , it does not help ;-)
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15 [00:01:43] <cheesus> Alexej: are you doing 'dpkg -i' with the correct libapt package as its argument?
16 [00:01:52] <Alexej> but I would expect, that these things does not go baaad in Debian
17 [00:02:03] <Alexej> I used Arch and Gentoo for many years
18 [00:02:04] <nielmnon> for an example, i have already there [pnmixer] alsamixergui, but is it possible to run this command - alsamixer via terminal?
19 [00:02:23] <cheesus> nielmnon: yes, you just type alsamixer to run alsamixer
20 [00:03:06] <MrHyde_> hey i have a x1 carbon 3rd gen and I cant get a good resolution for grub ... looks like 16 colors only
21 [00:03:19] <MrHyde_> I tried a couple of things but nothing really works
22 [00:03:19] <Alexej> cheesus: libapt-pkg5.0:amd64 depends on libstdc++6 (>= 5.2); however: Version of libstdc++6:amd64 on system is 4.9.2-10.
23 [00:03:19] <nielmnon> cheesus, oh, so sorry i don't know how to explain. i know that, but i need [you know maybe how it looks when you run settings of pnmixer]?
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26 [00:03:50] <MrHyde_> any idea ?
27 [00:03:53] <cheesus> Alexej: so manually get libstdc++6 >=5.2 and run dpkg -i on it
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29 [00:04:08] <nielmnon> cheesus, i need to run in the same time with one click alsamixer/terminal. not first terminal and than to type alsamixer
30 [00:04:15] <cheesus> nielmnon: My bad! No, I'm not sure what's up with pmixer :(
31 [00:04:21] <Alexej> cheesus:
32 [00:04:22] <Alexej> error processing archive libstdc++6_6.2.1-5_amd64.deb (--install): installing libstdc++6:amd64 would break digikam-private-libs, and deconfiguration is not permitted (--auto-deconfigure might help)
33 [00:04:43] <Alexej> I am thinking about forcing it
34 [00:04:44] <nielmnon> cheesus, oh, ok. i hope i will find here answer
35 [00:04:47] <teraflops> cheesus: stop suggesting such things pleae
36 [00:04:56] <teraflops> please *
37 [00:05:28] <zykotick9> nielmnon: most terminals have a ".. -e foo" option. for example "urxvt -e htop"
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39 [00:05:47] <nielmnon> zykotick9, oh, you know what i talking about, right?
40 [00:06:02] <nielmnon> zykotick9, i need very simple solution for this, can you help me?
41 [00:06:03] <ferna> Thank You towo`
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43 [00:06:14] <nielmnon> zykotick9, you know how pnmixer looks like?
44 [00:06:15] <cheesus> teraflops: word, just how I fixed my libpng problem. Manually installed and packaged the file when the dependency broke.
45 [00:06:20] <zykotick9> nielmnon: try "xterm -e alsamixer"
46 [00:06:23] <Alexej> cheesus: --force-all on libstdc++6 went through
47 [00:06:30] <nielmnon> zykotick9, ok, i will try right now
48 [00:06:32] <cheesus> Alexej: glad to hear it
49 [00:06:35] <zykotick9> nielmnon: sorry i have no idea what pnmixer is...
50 [00:06:37] <Alexej> cheesus: will see at what cost ;-)
51 [00:06:44] <cheesus> Alexej: xD
52 [00:07:12] <random_numbers> Hey there. Not currently having the funds to get enough harddrives to use brtfs, is there a better option than par2 for protection against file corruption?
53 [00:07:13] <Alexej> cheesus: how is possible that such important package such as apt can break during dist-upgrade ?
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55 [00:07:31] <teraflops> nielmnon: you can even pass args as in $1
56 [00:07:37] <nielmnon> Unable to launch volume command "xterm -e alsamixer".
57 [00:07:57] <Alexej> even Gentoo did not have a problem with emerge during update
58 [00:08:14] <Alexej> well Arch one day just failed completely
59 [00:08:15] <nielmnon> teraflops, what's that means? can you give me more?
60 [00:08:23] <teraflops> hehe
61 [00:08:38] <teraflops> nielmnon: how are you a lunching it?
62 [00:08:40] <Alexej> after 4 times trying to update it, I reinstalled :D
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64 [00:09:02] <Alexej> and I even linked all libraries manually by linker runtime
65 [00:09:34] <cheesus> Alexej: Wish I could tell you about the innerds of debian - I only recommended my course of action based on a similar problem
66 [00:09:37] <nielmnon> teraflops, this command [xterm -r alsamixer] i run now in pnmixer volume control command
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70 [00:10:52] <teraflops> idk what pnmixer is
71 [00:10:55] <nielmnon> teraflops, i need alsamixer with terminal to run in the same time, like any gui mixer from pnmixer, settings, volume control - command
72 [00:11:15] <Alexej> cheesus: I hope I will one day find a system, that will do updates without pain ;-)
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74 [00:11:32] <nielmnon> such as: alsamixergui, pavucontrol, etc
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76 [00:12:02] <teraflops> yeah but idk what pnmixer is
77 [00:12:06] <nielmnon> teraflops, pnmixer is volume control app in the tray
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79 [00:12:25] <nielmnon> it's not volume control. that app can run audio mixers
80 [00:12:44] <nielmnon> pavucontrol, alsamixergui and i need terminal/alsamixer
81 [00:13:26] <cheesus> Alexej: I hope one day I'll understand a system well enough that it's painless to update it :)
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83 [00:13:59] <teraflops> nielmnon: where do you put xterm command? inside some sort of configuration menu entry?
84 [00:14:11] <nielmnon> teraflops, yep
85 [00:14:22] <nielmnon> do you want screen shot how it looks?
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87 [00:14:41] <teraflops> nielmnon: nah
88 [00:14:45] <nielmnon> ok
89 [00:14:46] <random_numbers> I seem to find nothing that could serve a cheap alternative to full-blown zfs/brtfs.
90 [00:15:58] <teraflops> nielmnon: if you put "alsamixer" what happens?
91 [00:16:09] <nielmnon> teraflops, nothing
92 [00:16:55] <teraflops> nielmnon: which one is your terminal client?
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95 [00:17:42] <nielmnon> teraflops, it looks like that i need to run terminal with alsamixer alltogether, but i dont know command. like zykotick9 said: xterm -e alsamixer sound very good, but not work like that
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99 [00:18:03] <nielmnon> teraflops, mate-terminal
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101 [00:18:30] <teraflops> nielmnon: I still dont get what you want, maybe the screencapture is a good idea
102 [00:19:00] <nielmnon> teraflops, sure, i will sent you here right now
103 [00:19:05] <teraflops> k
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105 [00:19:43] <random_numbers> I had the idea of a python script that would build an sqlite db relative to a given root, then save inode (prevent hardlinks from causing trouble), path + filename and a par2 file to the db. Thing is, I'd need to somehow link it to the ext4 journaling so files that were intentionally written-to just raise alarms instead of being reset to an earlier state.
106 [00:20:01] <random_numbers> Does anyone know of a pre-existent program that has less flaws than what I'm thinking I might end up having to make myself?
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110 [00:21:17] <nielmnon> teraflops, here it is: replaced-url
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113 [00:22:12] <Alexej> cheesus: well that would be nice, but I do not think this is the issue ;-)
114 [00:22:54] <Alexej> cheesus: I understood gentoo in a great way, but still, not all updates were orginezed flawslessly by maintaniners
115 [00:23:00] <teraflops> nielmnon: wait are both options related as in alsamixer is cntrolled by the mouse command at the bottom?
116 [00:23:13] <Alexej> cheesus: seems to be also the case in Debian
117 [00:23:20] <teraflops> nielmnon: if yes that won't work
118 [00:23:29] <nielmnon> no, this is independent
119 [00:23:32] <teraflops> ah
120 [00:24:08] <Alexej> cheesus:
121 [00:24:11] <Alexej> Removing texlive-generic-recommended (2013.20130918-1) ...
122 [00:24:11] <Alexej> (Reading database ... 316700 files and directories currently installed.)
123 [00:24:11] <Alexej> Preparing to unpack .../texlive-latex-base-doc_2016.20161130-1_all.deb ...
124 [00:24:11] <Alexej> Unpacking texlive-latex-base-doc (2016.20161130-1) over (2013.20130918-1) ...
125 [00:24:11] <Alexej> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/texlive-latex-base-doc_2016.20161130-1_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/share/doc/texlive-doc/latex/url/miscdoc.sty', which is also in package texlive-latex-recommended-doc 2013.20130918-1
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127 [00:24:12] <dpkg> alexej: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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129 [00:24:29] <teraflops> nielmnon: try quoting it, just guessing since idk how that mixer handles it
130 [00:24:45] <Alexej> cheesus: did my message made it through ?
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133 [00:25:18] <Alexej> cheesus: I have this error again and again
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135 [00:25:24] <nielmnon> teraflops, how you mean to qute it this?
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137 [00:25:59] <teraflops> nielmnon: e.g gnome-terminal -e "alsamixer"
138 [00:26:57] <nielmnon> aha, i see. i will try! thanks teraflops for helping me, i'm going now off! i will try with this tomorrow.
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140 [00:27:10] <teraflops> np good luck
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259 [01:53:20] <AlexLikeRock> help !
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261 [01:53:30] <AlexLikeRock> "Not authorized to control networking" : nm-applet
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263 [01:53:59] <AlexLikeRock> 'Connection activation failed. Not authorized to control networking.'
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278 [02:02:15] <mingdao> AlexLikeRock: are you root?
279 [02:02:29] <AlexLikeRock> mingdao, as normal user , not work
280 [02:02:37] <AlexLikeRock> im conecctect by root
281 [02:02:41] <mingdao> AlexLikeRock: maybe you (a) need to be root, or (b) need to have your user in some group
282 [02:02:58] <AlexLikeRock> every day , i need "gksu nm-applet"
283 [02:03:09] <AlexLikeRock> mingdao, what group ?
284 [02:03:21] <mingdao> AlexLikeRock: idk, would just have to read the documentation
285 [02:03:41] <AlexLikeRock> i just REMOVE SYSTEMD , and they make "·$%/() my computer
286 [02:05:17] <mingdao> AlexLikeRock: can you run Debian without systemd?
287 [02:05:36] <AlexLikeRock> init
288 [02:05:37] <mingdao> AlexLikeRock: this is the networking section replaced-url
289 [02:05:42] <AlexLikeRock> (Y)
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291 [02:06:17] <mingdao> afaik Debian is designed to use systemd now...is that not right?
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293 [02:06:32] <AlexLikeRock> Why should i be so dependent on systemD ??
294 [02:06:33] <n4dir> last thing i heard is that you can run debian with other init systems /and i doubt that has changed/
295 [02:06:37] <bazhang> yes
296 [02:06:41] <random_numbers> mingdao: By default it has it, you can run anything you want though.
297 [02:06:44] <bazhang> he wants devuan
298 [02:06:47] <AlexLikeRock> SystemD = NSA , AMAZON, FBI
299 [02:07:07] <bazhang> AlexLikeRock, thats not correct at all
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301 [02:07:18] <random_numbers> Doesn't Astra Linux use systemd?
302 [02:07:33] <mingdao> replaced-url
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305 [02:07:51] <bazhang> AlexLikeRock, please dont spread that fud here
306 [02:07:57] <mingdao> AlexLikeRock: if only the lines were that clear :D
307 [02:08:04] <mingdao> bazhang: ack
308 [02:08:14] <AlexLikeRock> ok, how to fix damage by systemD ? bazhang
309 [02:08:32] <bazhang> AlexLikeRock, dont remove it, use devuan
310 [02:08:51] <bazhang> that is debian minus systemd AlexLikeRock
311 [02:08:53] <AlexLikeRock> yes, i i goin to ...
312 [02:09:02] <bazhang> #devuan AlexLikeRock
313 [02:09:19] <AlexLikeRock> but , now i need fix my wifi
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316 [02:12:46] <AlexLikeRock> bazhang, IM THER
317 [02:12:50] <AlexLikeRock> I am very disappointed of the actual director of debian,
318 [02:12:51] <AlexLikeRock> For your bad decision to partitioned DEBIAN
319 [02:13:05] <AlexLikeRock> debian / devuan
320 [02:13:36] <Kobaz> what's the best way to get qt 5.5 on jessie
321 [02:13:47] <bazhang> AlexLikeRock, you removed systemd, and your system is messed up now
322 [02:14:06] <ohemdevin> replaced-url
323 [02:14:19] <ohemdevin> Looks like it's possible to run Debian 8 w/o systemd.
324 [02:14:31] <awal1> bazhang: are you a devuan user?
325 [02:14:50] <ohemdevin> I don't really mind systemd, but it's nice knowing that there are always alternatives.
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327 [02:14:59] <AlexLikeRock> bazhang, yes, Should not happen
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330 [02:15:12] <ohemdevin> I believe Linux Mint 17.3 is still systemd free.
331 [02:15:24] <AlexLikeRock> systemD its jjust a BOOT LOADER, not a DEBIAN-CORE
332 [02:15:29] <ohemdevin> I know that's not Debian, but yanno. Maybe LMDE is systemd free as well?
333 [02:15:55] <n4dir> you could always go for debian kFreeBSD.
334 [02:16:04] <Kobaz> is that still a thing?
335 [02:16:05] <AlexLikeRock> MATE , its going to... free. its working
336 [02:16:12] <Kobaz> i haven't heard anything about kfreebsd in ages
337 [02:16:15] <random_numbers> If that wasn't still in testing, I'd be curious to try it.
338 [02:16:25] <awal1> many people are criticizing systemd but they have no really a clue about systemd, sysvinit, upstart..., apart following comments in blogs ...
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340 [02:17:04] <Kobaz> system pee
341 [02:17:36] <ohemdevin> systemd hate is basically uninformed groupthink, lol
342 [02:17:43] <Kobaz> not entirely
343 [02:17:45] <n4dir> not really
344 [02:17:47] <AlexLikeRock> awal1, systemd are only problems
345 [02:17:53] <ohemdevin> I know, lol
346 [02:18:18] <AlexLikeRock> 80% of problems are related to systemD
347 [02:18:28] <Kobaz> systemd is a misadvised attempt at fixing a problem that no one actually had
348 [02:18:56] <awal1> AlexLikeRock: I want to hear a real technical critics about x vs b , not conjectures and general comments
349 [02:18:58] <n4dir> yeah, gotta say that before systemd i didn't consider the init system to be much of a problem ...
350 [02:19:20] <AlexLikeRock> Instead of improving the ecosystem, they are reinventing what already exists "sysinit"
351 [02:19:26] <n4dir> awal1: they have been discussed endlessly. For starters it does way more than an init system should do
352 [02:19:35] <random_numbers> I've had a decent experience with systemd, but I basically don't do anything with it that I coulnd't with sysvinit.
353 [02:19:59] <ohemdevin> replaced-url
354 [02:20:02] <Kobaz> my first experience with systemd was a boot lockup after installing plain-jane jessie on a new box
355 [02:20:06] <bazhang> AlexLikeRock, this is so not the channel for systemd rants
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357 [02:20:29] <Kobaz> lvm was waiting for something that wasn't in the mood to start
358 [02:20:38] <Kobaz> and i wasn't even using lvm, but it was being started anyway
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360 [02:20:58] <awal1> n4dir: well discussed by DD's before it's adoption, right. I believe they (+ 1000 DD's) took the correct way. End users are really clueless
361 [02:21:03] <ohemdevin> Personally, I found that the link I just posted was really informative, but I've not tested out OpenRC yet..
362 [02:21:13] <Kobaz> but that's a config problem, but still.. your system should finish booting despite ONE service not succeeding to start
363 [02:21:16] <n4dir> awal1: i guess all end users but you
364 [02:21:35] <awal1> I include myself :P
365 [02:21:42] <awal1> of course
366 [02:21:54] <awal1> since I'm just an end user
367 [02:21:55] <n4dir> and if i recall correct systemd was forced by the technical commite, not the end of an discussion
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370 [02:22:44] <awal1> if not systemd , in that time, upstart, for sure...
371 [02:23:20] <AlexLikeRock> awal1, why are reinventing what already exists "sysinit" ?
372 [02:23:29] <awal1> sysvinit wasn't a real alternative in the discussions
373 [02:24:14] <ohemdevin> systemd succeeds only because a corporate entity is involved (Red Hat).
374 [02:24:30] <awal1> AlexLikeRock: ok: tell me what sysvinit does better than systemd; teach us
375 [02:24:36] <n4dir> that doesn't change the fact that there are indeed good reasons against systemd, and they can easily be found, which you have questioned
376 [02:24:48] <AlexLikeRock> awal1, WORK FINE!
377 [02:24:54] <Kobaz> awal1: sysvinit doesn't completely break if there's a config issue
378 [02:25:02] <n4dir> ^^ that
379 [02:25:34] <Kobaz> awal1: it's EASILY fixable by anyone with a semblance of *nix experience
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381 [02:26:15] <Kobaz> worst comes to worst you comment out the entire script and do /usr/sbin/apache blah blah blah hard coded and then it *just works*
382 [02:26:16] <awal1> all what I wanrted to say is: frequently, here, people say systemd is bad bad bad, but I rarelly hear constructive comments
383 [02:26:56] <Kobaz> most admins i know (myself included) are a big fan of 'simple', and 'just works'
384 [02:27:13] <AlexLikeRock> awal1, like this :
385 [02:27:14] <AlexLikeRock> SystemD Do you want to leave SERIAL PORT obsolete?
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389 [02:27:58] <AlexLikeRock> How silly to make SERIAL unusable
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392 [02:28:13] <random_numbers> So, that OpenRC conversion link explains why I never noticed the binary log issue.
393 [02:28:16] <Kobaz> and then there's the whole 'smart'
394 [02:28:16] <n4dir> awal1: you didn't say that. But said "no one". frequently and rarely: with that i can agree.
395 [02:28:21] <Kobaz> 'smart' process living at pid 1
396 [02:28:40] <Kobaz> which should scare the shit out of anyone
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398 [02:29:00] <Kobaz> anyway. so yeap, lots of of baddies
399 [02:29:13] <awal1> if someone doesn't like systemd, so he just have to no use it, or not use debian, or make a call for a new/more discussions about init
400 [02:29:17] <random_numbers> I tend to take a very suspicious view at any object that calls itself 'smart'.
401 [02:29:47] <AlexLikeRock> so he just have to no use it,
402 [02:29:56] <AlexLikeRock> i try and BROKE my PC
403 [02:30:00] <n4dir> would be more easy if the systemd dev's wouldn't have that hard on the distros which don't want to make systemd default (think of gentoo, and Poettering having at them)
404 [02:30:00] <AlexLikeRock> !!!!
405 [02:30:01] <dpkg> "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
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407 [02:30:32] <AlexLikeRock> awal1, Why should i be so dependent on systemD ??
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409 [02:31:07] <awal1> nobody forced you
410 [02:31:09] <AlexLikeRock> i love gentoo
411 [02:31:14] <awal1> use it so
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413 [02:31:54] <malf> Seems like the option to disable the touchpad vanished from the gnome shell touchpad settings after I upgraded today (in stretch). Anyone happen to know the right package to search under for bug reports, change logs, etc.?
414 [02:32:21] <AlexLikeRock> malf, do you remove systemD ?
415 [02:32:36] <malf> I just ran an aptitude safe-upgrade
416 [02:32:46] <malf> So I don't _think_ so unless it was an auto-remove
417 [02:32:56] <AlexLikeRock> malf, thats you actualize systemD
418 [02:33:08] <AlexLikeRock> they broke
419 [02:33:09] <malf> systemd is running
420 [02:33:17] <AlexLikeRock> systemD are the problem
421 [02:33:31] <bazhang> AlexLikeRock, why are you telling others to remove systemd
422 [02:33:45] <bazhang> !ops | AlexLikeRock
423 [02:33:45] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | AlexLikeRock
424 [02:34:16] <bazhang> again AlexLikeRock this is not the rant channel about that
425 [02:34:32] <gry> AlexLikeRock, see what bazhang said
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427 [02:34:41] <AlexLikeRock> im not rants
428 [02:34:44] <gry> AlexLikeRock, use #devuan for that sort of thing. debian supports systemd
429 [02:35:12] <AlexLikeRock> well , some body tell , " you can use debian without systemD "
430 [02:35:20] <n4dir> yes, you can
431 [02:35:26] <gry> AlexLikeRock, it is easy to remove, I did it at my vps
432 [02:35:32] <AlexLikeRock> and they lied to my
433 [02:35:39] <AlexLikeRock> now my PC arte broken
434 [02:35:45] <gry> AlexLikeRock, it is irrelevant to malf though. Please do not confuse people by irrelevant tips to their life.
435 [02:36:20] <gry> AlexLikeRock, if you have a problem, don't ping everyone talking. Just ask a question to the channel with all details. Do not ping anyone.
436 [02:36:30] <AlexLikeRock> i do
437 [02:36:44] <AlexLikeRock> i not do a ping
438 [02:36:49] <AlexLikeRock> i do my question
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440 [02:37:11] <AlexLikeRock> i remove systemD , they
441 [02:37:11] <AlexLikeRock> 'Connection activation failed. Not authorized to control networking.'
442 [02:37:19] <AlexLikeRock> they broke my pc
443 [02:37:27] <bazhang> who is they
444 [02:37:32] <AlexLikeRock> systemD
445 [02:37:38] <bazhang> no
446 [02:37:44] <n4dir> replaced-url
447 [02:38:06] <n4dir> and, like said, the other option would be kFreeBSD
448 [02:38:16] <bazhang> you chose to remove it
449 [02:38:18] <AlexLikeRock> preseed/late_command="in-target apt-get install -y sysvinit-core"
450 [02:38:19] <AlexLikeRock> i do
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455 [02:40:53] <AlexLikeRock> no, no do, no installl ,
456 [02:41:12] <AlexLikeRock> just boot grub with sysint
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458 [02:41:45] <random_numbers> Isn't openrc what a bunch of *BSDs use?
459 [02:41:57] <bazhang> and gentoo
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462 [02:42:23] <random_numbers> Ah yeah, it was on the gentoo wiki, wasn'it...
463 [02:42:31] <bazhang> yes
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465 [02:43:21] <awal1> malf: what you want to disable exactly?
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469 [02:45:16] <n4dir> i don't think that the BSD systems use openrc
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471 [02:45:53] <random_numbers> wikipedia says netbsd and freebsd do.
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474 [02:48:03] <random_numbers> Does 'rc'='openrc'? If so, then openbsd docs say it can use it.
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476 [02:48:51] <n4dir> i don't think it's the same. slackware has rc too, iirc
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478 [02:49:54] <AlexLikeRock> i love Slackware
479 [02:50:04] <n4dir> replaced-url
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485 [02:54:45] <random_numbers> Haven't tried it. It seems to have signed releases, so that's acceptable. (Any distro that doesn't sign their releases is unacceptable right from the start.)
486 [02:55:18] <somiaj> lets try to stick to #debian support.
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489 [02:56:07] <bazhang> somiaj, where does removing systemd and advising others to do so fall
490 [02:57:29] <somiaj> bazhang: supporting using another init system in debian is okay, pushing to complaining about systemd and advising others is not. I was a bit late to warn AlexLikeRock though
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492 [02:57:56] <bazhang> ah he left. cheers somiaj
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494 [02:58:26] <random_numbers> OpenRC seems nicer from a dev point of view (it looks less complicated).
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503 [03:01:57] <n4dir> sysv-rc-conf was nice from a user point of view (for me). Gotta say that i got hard times with pretty much any other init system i ran into yet
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506 [03:02:17] <n4dir> different: sysv was nice as there was sysv-rc-conf
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512 [03:03:56] <somiaj> I actually like systemd as a user. But debian supports using different init systems, though I don't think you actually completely remove systemd even when using sysv init on debian
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515 [03:04:49] <n4dir> libsystemd0 will have to stay. systemd you can remove (again: things might have changed).
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517 [03:05:45] <somiaj> yea it won't be running on your system, but some things stick around.
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539 [03:21:07] <ohemdevin> Do any of you use a shell other than bash? I've grown quite partial to fish as of late, but zsh looks promising.
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542 [03:22:15] <n4dir> many swear on zsh. someone just recommended mksh to me (i for one use bash. duh)
543 [03:22:45] <gildarts> I use zsh just for oh-my-zsh (or whatever the name is)
544 [03:24:03] <n4dir> real man use dash !
545 [03:24:52] <gildarts> I have seen people recommend fish, but I never really looked at it.
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547 [03:25:19] <ohemdevin> I started using fish on a whim. It's pretty user-friendly, so I guess you could call it "babby's first shell" or whatever.
548 [03:25:43] <ohemdevin> Others seem to call it a preconfigured zsh, without the need for all of the plugins that make it so great.
549 [03:25:48] <ohemdevin> I'm trying dash next!
550 [03:26:46] <n4dir> i was joking. i think it comes with no nothing (when it comes to comfort). but really: no clue
551 [03:28:02] <ohemdevin> I forgot that dash is supposed to be really portable, haha
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553 [03:28:34] <ohemdevin> Bash is a perfectly good shell and I didn't really start considering alternatives until very recently
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555 [03:29:10] <ohemdevin> As GNU/Linux has become my predominant operating system, I've been more inclined to experiment with the various facets of the open source world.
556 [03:29:13] <ohemdevin> It's been fun. :)
557 [03:30:50] <n4dir> not sure if that is of any use for you (it's more bout scripting and similar things): replaced-url
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567 [03:34:44] <malf> awal1: There used to be an option to turn off the touchpad in the "Mouse & Touchpad" UI. After upgrading the touchpad re-enabled and the UI to turn it off is gone.
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572 [03:35:44] <malf> It's not a huge issue and I'm sure I could find a way to turn it off at a lower level in the system if need be. So for now I'm just ignoring it but figured I'd check and see if anyone knew offhand why it might've vanished as an option
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574 [03:36:17] <pingfloyd> malf: you want to turn it off completely?
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576 [03:37:09] <awal1> malf: stretch is #debian-next, but check if that config is now handled via gnome-tweak-tool
577 [03:37:32] <awal1> i dont use gnome, sot really sure
578 [03:37:54] <pingfloyd> malf: synclient TouchpadOff=(0,1 or 2)
579 [03:38:53] <awal1> malf ^if you want to disable touchpad completely
580 [03:39:02] <malf> Cool thanks for the advice all
581 [03:39:17] <pingfloyd> malf: are you wanting to have it disabled while typing?
582 [03:39:36] <pingfloyd> malf: for that you can use syndaemon
583 [03:39:42] <malf> Maybe although I was happy enough with it off entirely
584 [03:40:49] <pingfloyd> I generally don't use the gui applets to control my touchpad because they always leave something to be desired
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586 [03:40:55] <awal1> if just disabling tapping synclient TapButton1=1 for on, 0 for off
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588 [03:41:13] <pingfloyd> they're pretty limited in what you can do
589 [03:41:20] <awal1> i usually just disable tapping
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592 [03:41:38] <malf> Yeah I used to set it at a lower level with something like synclient (didn't remember the command off the top of my head)
593 [03:41:50] <malf> but last time I got gnome-shell up and running it was there so I figured I'd be lazy and just use it
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595 [03:42:05] <pingfloyd> somewhere in dconf you can set it so the gui doesn't control it
596 [03:42:12] <awal1> check gnome-tweak-tool pkg
597 [03:42:26] <malf> yeah I 'll definitely take a look at the tweak tool too
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599 [03:43:03] <awal1> many gnome settings are now handled via that tool
600 [03:44:26] <awal1> I dont know if gnome upstream is making it more easy or more complicated
601 [03:44:33] <malf> yeah lots of stuff in there for sure
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604 [03:45:45] <malf> But the synclient command has me covered for this issue. Thanks again everyone
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725 [05:30:36] <hiexpo> hi I am useing the alfa 036h to receive Internet but i constantly get a lock up on it i am useing the rtl8187 driver any suggestions
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736 [05:38:46] <econdudeawesome> howdy all. Just wanted to swing by to say thanks to nano_python and towo` for the help. I ended up ditching debian, as I never could get the 4+ kernel to work with X on the laptop. Retried Fedora and it works well now. Thanks again for the help though!
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763 [05:56:51] <SanchoPensa> hey guys!
764 [05:57:13] <SanchoPensa> my upgrade to jessie seems to have uninstalled gwenview, what would i use instead?
765 [05:57:43] <SanchoPensa> (i need something, that has a next/previous button)
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767 [05:59:15] <Rusty1_> what does apt-cache policy gwenview report?
768 [06:00:51] <AlexLikeRock> SanchoPensa, instalalo de nuevo ;-)
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770 [06:01:30] <AlexLikeRock> or install EOG ( eye of gnome)
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772 [06:02:08] <SanchoPensa> necessita gnome este EOG?
773 [06:02:15] <AlexLikeRock> si
774 [06:02:22] <AlexLikeRock> what desktop you have ?
775 [06:02:26] <SanchoPensa> no tengo gnome, pero xface
776 [06:02:35] <SanchoPensa> -a
777 [06:02:41] <AlexLikeRock> apt-get isntall gwenview
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780 [06:02:53] <SanchoPensa> yeah... seem the best ooption... :)
781 [06:02:54] <AlexLikeRock> apt-get install gwenview
782 [06:02:57] <SanchoPensa> thanks!
783 [06:03:37] <SanchoPensa> hehe,thanks, i am fine!
784 [06:03:58] <SanchoPensa> altzough i must say, that my debian annoys me just a little more by the day
785 [06:04:16] <SanchoPensa> like, when it installs firefox versions, that force this bullshit named adware plus upon me
786 [06:04:52] <SanchoPensa> which is basically the greatest fake of a blocker, that you have ever seen. but for compensation my gwenview gets uninstalled.. :D
787 [06:04:57] <SanchoPensa> i mean, wtf?!? :D
788 [06:05:09] <AlexLikeRock> debian , only use Firefox version ESTABLE
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790 [06:06:14] <AlexLikeRock> SanchoPensa, replaced-url
791 [06:06:57] <SanchoPensa> i am also good with addons, thanks. which is, why i really dont need this adblock crap. NO UNSINSTALL OPTION?!?
792 [06:07:15] <themill> less with the shouting, more with asking real questions.
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795 [06:07:45] <SanchoPensa> how is that compatible with debian spirit?
796 [06:07:45] <SanchoPensa> that dude isnt even quite under the lawn, yet qall his principles are all dropped? or how is it?
797 [06:07:54] <themill> firefox doesn't depend on adblock and you can uninstall the package if you want
798 [06:08:08] <SanchoPensa> i can?
799 [06:08:10] <AlexLikeRock> yes
800 [06:08:18] <SanchoPensa> that is good news, thanks themill!
801 [06:08:21] <AlexLikeRock> search at synaptic
802 [06:09:28] <SanchoPensa> xul-ext-adblock-plus there it is, it is really apackage! :)
803 [06:09:40] <SanchoPensa> themill: can you tell me, why debian does this?
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806 [06:10:10] <AlexLikeRock> adware = its bad
807 [06:10:30] <themill> It's part of the gnome metapackage because adblock functionality was once upon a time part of gnome's default browser
808 [06:10:38] <SanchoPensa> yeah, but that software is even worse, they are known to block only, who doesn't pay!
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810 [06:11:56] <SanchoPensa> themill: i had ff installed like for ever. same goes for thunderbird. all of a sudden it crashes. so I reopen it, and it tells me, adblock plus has been installed successfully. I did not invoke this installation, or anything.
811 [06:12:09] <SanchoPensa> it just installed itself ccompletely on it's own
812 [06:12:15] <AlexLikeRock> tunderbird = Icedove
813 [06:12:20] <SanchoPensa> does that not completely violate debian principles?
814 [06:12:26] <SanchoPensa> yes, indeed
815 [06:12:26] <themill> well thunderbird isn't in debian and if you've had it for ages, then you're not using the debian packages
816 [06:12:45] <AlexLikeRock> jejejej,
817 [06:12:50] <AlexLikeRock> yes you are ubuntu
818 [06:12:52] <AlexLikeRock> jejej
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820 [06:12:56] <SanchoPensa> themill: no, AlexLikeRock is right, it is icedove actually
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822 [06:13:38] <AlexLikeRock> SanchoPensa, take calm
823 [06:13:38] <SanchoPensa> AlexLikeRock: if that were that case, i'd be in the completey wrong channel, wouldn't i? :)
824 [06:13:56] <AlexLikeRock> you looks so presipitado
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826 [06:14:04] <SanchoPensa> :D
827 [06:14:54] <SanchoPensa> i looks confused, cos debian switched ff and tb for what were actually technically spoken forks, and that is for licensing reasons. nowadays they install software without asking you?
828 [06:15:15] <SanchoPensa> cos if it's a package, then debian instaleld it and not thunderbird, right?
829 [06:15:33] <SanchoPensa> that is a total voilation of debian policy.
830 [06:15:47] <themill> They do not install packages without asking you. They don't even depend on these packages.
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832 [06:15:52] <SanchoPensa> and i would hereby publicly like tostate, that i do not approve this.
833 [06:16:07] <themill> You're getting increasingly annoying btw.
834 [06:16:25] <SanchoPensa> themill: once more; my tb just crashed. and after reopening, it stated, adblock has been installed successfully.
835 [06:16:33] <themill> Where
836 [06:16:44] <SanchoPensa> what do you mean, where?
837 [06:16:48] <themill> Probably meaning "upgraded" not installed
838 [06:17:12] <themill> Do you actually have the xul-ext-adblock-plus package installed?
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840 [06:17:36] <SanchoPensa> i don not use adblock, themill. i did certainly not have this installed, and i would not get increasingly annoying, iof i did not think, that this is iportant, bro.
841 [06:17:39] <themill> Do you actually have the xul-ext-adblock-plus package installed?
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843 [06:17:52] <SanchoPensa> themill: i just UNinstalled it.
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845 [06:18:01] <themill> the package or the extension?
846 [06:18:05] <SanchoPensa> i wasn't aware, that it is a package, until you mentioned it.
847 [06:18:14] <SanchoPensa> the package.
848 [06:18:22] <SanchoPensa> i just apt-get removed it.
849 [06:18:29] <themill> And can you show apt logs that show it being recently installed?
850 [06:18:32] <SanchoPensa> and i did NOT install this package.
851 [06:18:42] <themill> yes you did...
852 [06:18:45] <SanchoPensa> let me have a lokk, sec
853 [06:18:51] <themill> apt is not yet sentient.
854 [06:19:18] <AlexLikeRock> its stranger , i install many times firefox, and never isntall ad-block plus pakage,
855 [06:19:30] <AlexLikeRock> i tinck you are laier
856 [06:19:44] <themill> AlexLikeRock: please stop.
857 [06:19:52] <AlexLikeRock> liar ***
858 [06:20:04] <AlexLikeRock> SanchoPensa, , song like troll
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860 [06:20:18] <AlexLikeRock> SanchoPensa, , sound like troll
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864 [06:21:52] <SanchoPensa> this output of at.log is sort of not huma readable :D
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868 [06:25:29] <SanchoPensa> themill: when you uprade a software, it usually says "upgrade" in the log, and not "install", right?
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872 [06:25:53] <SanchoPensa> cos i upgraded ff from the backports three days ago, and that is where it says"INSTALL"
873 [06:27:03] <SanchoPensa> themill: like so: replaced-url
874 [06:27:14] <SanchoPensa> so, am I a liar, yes?
875 [06:27:31] <AlexLikeRock> " xul-ext-ublock-origin:amd64$"
876 [06:27:34] <themill> umm... firefox*???
877 [06:27:59] <SanchoPensa> yes, apparently the package is called firefox-esr nowadays and not iceweasel any longer?
878 [06:28:09] <SanchoPensa> cos that is, what i got after the upgrade.
879 [06:28:19] <themill> SanchoPensa: so firefox* did exactly what you asked it to do
880 [06:28:29] <SanchoPensa> how so?
881 [06:28:37] <themill> and no, the package on backports is called "firefox"
882 [06:29:37] <themill> You asked apt to install every package that starts with "firefo" and so you got "firefox-adblock-plus" which is also known as xul-ext-adblock-plus
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886 [06:30:07] <themill> You will also have installed a bazillion other firefox packages at a guess.
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888 [06:30:36] <themill> (or if you didn't that's probably because you accidentally installed them a previous time)
889 [06:30:40] <SanchoPensa> excuse me, I asked firefox to UPGRADE every package, that starts with a firefox*, does that install things now?
890 [06:30:51] <SanchoPensa> geezus almighty.
891 [06:30:55] <SanchoPensa> i am telling you
892 [06:31:01] <SanchoPensa> i did NOT install this crap.
893 [06:31:12] <themill> apt disagrees. *shrug*
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895 [06:31:28] <SanchoPensa> that i do not understand, themill
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898 [06:31:50] <SanchoPensa> if i ask apt to UPGRADE everything that starts with firefox*
899 [06:32:04] <SanchoPensa> how have i told it then to install addblock in the process?
900 [06:32:11] <themill> 'upgrade' doesn't take arguments
901 [06:32:18] <SanchoPensa> does the UPGRADE command do the same thing, as the INSTALL command?
902 [06:32:59] <SanchoPensa> what exaclty does this command "apt-get -t jessie-backports upgrade firefox*" do then?
903 [06:33:04] <themill> make a mess
904 [06:33:14] <SanchoPensa> obviously! :D
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906 [06:34:00] <themill> It will try to install every package that starts with firefox and quite probably try to upgrade a stack of other unrelated packages... I'd need to check
907 [06:34:19] <han-solo> i remember this one time i used wildcards to purge packagaes, apt-get remove --purge php*
908 [06:34:23] <SanchoPensa> ok. once more for the protocol, and that is the last thing, that I am going to say about it now: I DDID NOT INSTALL ADBLOCK. I DO NOT LIKE ADBLOCK,. SO I DID CERTAINLY NOT INSTALL IT. fullstop.
909 [06:34:25] <han-solo> and man that didn't work out well
910 [06:34:30] <themill> SanchoPensa: stop shouting.
911 [06:34:32] <han-solo> it had a lot of dependancy
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914 [06:34:42] <themill> han-solo: they're also regexps not globs
915 [06:34:50] <SanchoPensa> themill: i am not shouting, i am stressing. no offence meant.
916 [06:34:55] <han-solo> hmm
917 [06:35:05] <themill> so it would actually be ph<anything>
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920 [06:35:37] <jusss> xhost +local: is a dangerous command?
921 [06:35:37] <random_numbers> Debian doesn't install adblock on its own. At least , I'm not having that problem.
922 [06:35:58] <themill> SanchoPensa: you did install it. Your apt logs show that. You now know how to fix that mistake by uninstalling that and all the other packages you accidentally installed.... there are probably lots and lots...
923 [06:35:59] <SanchoPensa> themill: as always thank you for you assistance, much appreciated.
924 [06:36:27] <SanchoPensa> yeah, greasemonkey also installed itself.
925 [06:36:52] <themill> s/installed itself/was installed because I asked for it to be installed/
926 [06:37:17] <themill> Your log output is truncated -- I can't tell how many others you accidentally installed
927 [06:37:32] <SanchoPensa> themill: you can keep saying that. I still did not use an install command. so, as fa, as i am concerned, nope, i did not install it.
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929 [06:38:07] <themill> SanchoPensa: Your apt log is quite clear as is the behaviour of apt. You can pretend that's not causal if you want, but that doesn't change that it is.
930 [06:38:16] <SanchoPensa> yes, I used the grep command, but I will get it fixed from here on, thank you.
931 [06:39:33] <SanchoPensa> themill: that argumetn doesn't make any sense to me, i pasted the output for you to see, and you saw, that I entered a upgrade command, not an install command. yet still you keep repeating,t hat I must have entered an install command.
932 [06:39:40] <SanchoPensa> one more time. no, i did not.
933 [06:40:09] * themill never said that
934 [06:40:38] <themill> I can see "upgrade" in your command. "upgrade" does not mean what you think it means. Fortunately, apt always asks for confirmation and then you hit "Y".
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939 [06:44:52] <SanchoPensa> themill: if "upgrade" does not mean, what I think, it means, where am I wrong then?
940 [06:47:14] <themill> As is evident from your log, if you explicitly list packages that aren't installed, it will install them
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942 [06:47:54] <SanchoPensa> with an upgrade command. nice.
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945 [06:48:57] <SanchoPensa> i have been using debian for some 12 yrs now. and I still keep leraning by the day. about the upgrade command that installds things, for example. it is me, who is annoyed now. yet still thank you for your assistance once more, themill.
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949 [06:49:59] <themill> (There is no documented use of apt-get upgrade with a packages list)
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957 [06:52:50] <SanchoPensa> that would be sort of backport-apt-pinning, wouldn't it?
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1007 [07:42:25] <awal1> SanchoPensa: apt-get upgrade firefox* will also install all all firefox related pkgs
1008 [07:42:44] <awal1> I guess you have a bunch of them installed there :D
1009 [07:42:57] <SanchoPensa> awal1: i learned that the hard way...
1010 [07:43:22] <SanchoPensa> and nope, only adblock and greasmenkey, while adblock doesnt even carry firefox in its name.
1011 [07:43:35] <SanchoPensa> but let's not warm up this story.
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1013 [07:43:54] <ws2k3> systemd realy sucks. im trying to start memcached and it gives me failed to issue method call: Unit memcached.service is masked. wtf why cant it just give a normal error
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1022 [07:49:07] <SanchoPensa> that would be another interesting question for themill, how i actually installed xul-ext-adblock-plus with the upgrade firefox* command, when that package doesn't even contain the word firefox.
1023 [07:49:07] <SanchoPensa> but I shall leave this discussion to another day. good night everybody.
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1041 [07:58:31] <awal1> Trying things in my debian VM: I only have the single chromium pkg installed, but if I run apt-get upgrade chromium* I get this replaced-url
1042 [07:59:05] <awal1> themill: ^
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1044 [07:59:34] <awal1> what happens here exactly?
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1048 [08:00:57] <themill> You've asked apt to upgrade all packages that start with chromiu and that includes installing the packages if they're not yet
1049 [08:02:18] <awal1> I understand that yeah, but why upgrade the rest of the system ?
1050 [08:02:28] <awal1> starting from line 18 in the paste
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1057 [08:05:20] <awal1> I understand what apt-get does (line 3 to 15 in my paste) but not what it says starting at line 18
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1059 [08:06:23] <awal1> if i ask to upgrade chromium, which operation will install related chromium pkgs, why it upgrades all the system if not asked?
1060 [08:06:28] <awal1> hmmm
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1063 [08:08:03] <awal1> I never upgrade pkgs that way, just being curious :P
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1065 [08:08:10] <afx_> Hello ! I am trying to create a desktop entry for thunderbird . Everything works fine except the icon is missing . I am using Jessie 64 with gnome
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1067 [08:10:07] <afx_> there are 6 icons in ./thunderbird/chrome/icons/default , i.e. default16/22/24/32/48/256.png . What icon should I use in the .desktop entry?
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1086 [08:26:25] <imran27> I used the Debian Testing Installer DVD-1 to install Debian Testing with GNOME Desktop and I knew beforehand that artwork used is of Debian 8 not 9. The problem now is I want to update the artwork (Wallpapers, Lock screens, grub, etc.) to Debian 9...
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1126 [08:48:42] <nkuttler> any ideas why chrome wouldn't recognize all sorts of ssl certs any more? ff is fine
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1130 [08:50:39] <{sd}> IIRC chrome uses it's own CA directory
1131 [08:50:44] <nkuttler> mh, looks like it's a chrome bug
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1136 [08:52:27] <kuene> Any idea what the status is on this one? replaced-url
1137 [08:53:19] <{sd}> What CAs are listed if you open "Settings -> Advanced Settings -> HTTPS/SSL -> CAs"?
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1147 [08:59:46] <nkuttler> {sd}: plenty. looks like replaced-url
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1168 [09:12:33] <afidegnum> hello, how do i configure nginx and haproxy side by side ?
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1175 [09:16:31] <sqz> afidegnum: what did you try & want exactly
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1179 [09:17:32] <sqz> (if you always embed that in a question, people are more likely to help you)
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1259 [10:03:45] <buhtz> I try to understand the "A stop job is running..." thing. What is the general cause of that problem? On the web a lot of "solutions" related to different applications but wihtout the describing the real problem behind it.
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1261 [10:04:36] <buhtz> On my system I experience it most at the time when I was mounted to a samba server before. But sometimes it occures without a smb-mount.
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1264 [10:05:17] <bezaban> buhtz: are you stopping jobs with ctrl+z or putting them in background iwth &?
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1266 [10:05:37] <bezaban> 'jobs' for a list
1267 [10:06:16] <buhtz> bezaban: No I don't. btw: Using unstable.
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1271 [10:06:55] <bezaban> buhtz: ah, I confused the errors
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1273 [10:07:33] <bezaban> right. Seems like a systemd thing. replaced-url
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1303 [10:20:00] <buhtz> mhm... not really helpfull. I mean the stop job message doesn't tell me which process cause the problem
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1305 [10:20:47] <bezaban> such are the joys of running unstable :)
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1307 [10:21:52] <dunaeth> Hi, I'm stuck with a laptop hotkeys issue that no classic method can solve, most of my Asus laptop hotkeys do not work, some like brightness up/down does not even trigger something in evtest, others like keyboard brightness up/down only work after an X disconnect/reconnect
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1309 [10:22:24] <buhtz> I was suprised that the Fn-keys on my Samsung N220 netbook work out of the box on unstable.
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1322 [10:32:07] <TooL69> Hi
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1339 [10:39:44] <afidegnum> helo, i m having an issue, scp -p id_rsa.pub remoteuser@remotehost: what does it supposed to connect? the ftp user or the systen user ?
1340 [10:40:58] <bezaban> afidegnum: the default behaviour is the ssh/system user
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1342 [10:41:40] <afidegnum> oh, i just created a new user and i m consistently having permission denied
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1344 [10:41:49] <bezaban> do you have a home directory for that user?
1345 [10:41:55] <bezaban> do you allow password logins?
1346 [10:42:35] <bezaban> check ssh logs
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1348 [10:43:31] <afidegnum> i m trying to create an RSA authentication system so i m to upload the public key to teh server and set everything before disable the ssh login
1349 [10:43:35] <themill> afidegnum: you might want to look at ssh-copy-id btw
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1351 [10:45:10] <afidegnum> should i use it at my client pc or remote ?
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1354 [10:46:20] <afidegnum> where do i locate the user's folder in debian?
1355 [10:46:31] <afidegnum> using home/$user$ returns nothing
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1359 [10:47:47] <ben7> If you do an ls in /home, you can list all the users folders
1360 [10:48:11] <themill> HOME isn't necessarily in /home, of course
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1366 [10:51:30] <ben7> You can see it in the /etc/passwd file. I think it's the better choise
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1377 [10:53:23] <jelly> afidegnum: getent passwd usernamehere
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1381 [10:54:48] <afidegnum> ok, it seems users haven't been created yet,
1382 [10:55:47] <jelly> that may prevent their home dir from existing yes
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1388 [10:56:53] <afidegnum> oh ok,
1389 [10:57:00] <afidegnum> useradd for creating a user, right ?
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1393 [10:57:22] <nano_python> or adduser
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1396 [10:57:51] <afidegnum> oh, what's the difference between the 2?
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1400 [10:58:43] <han-solo> TIAS
1401 [10:58:50] <nano_python> asks more questions
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1403 [10:59:34] <nano_python> also adduser will make a home dir by default where you need to add -m to useradd
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1409 [11:00:27] <jelly> afidegnum: adduser is a debian-specific slightly friendly wrapper for useradd
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1411 [11:00:54] <afidegnum> ah, merci
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1415 [11:01:59] <colo-work> what decides which vanilla kernel release stretch will base its kernel images in the end? is there any chance for it being 4.9?
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1418 [11:03:23] <afidegnum> thanks a lot, everything works perfectly
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1422 [11:04:05] <jelly> colo-work: debian kernel team decides, and that was a probable candidate for a couple months now
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1426 [11:04:50] <colo-work> jelly, is that decision process introspectable (on a public ML maybe)? :)
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1432 [11:05:31] <jelly> don't remember
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1453 [11:12:15] <afidegnum> hello, i tried to login back to ssh, to use RSA authentication, but i m still logged via the normal root login,,
1454 [11:12:23] <afidegnum> how do i enable it ?
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1456 [11:14:14] <jelly> afidegnum: which debian release? What's the value of PermitRootLogin in /etc/ssh/sshd_config?
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1459 [11:15:00] <afidegnum> i m using debian jessie
1460 [11:15:04] <afidegnum> debian 8
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1472 [11:19:14] <afidegnum> jelly: PermitRootLogin yes
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1477 [11:20:13] <sandman13> afidegnum: You mean login by using public key?
1478 [11:20:21] <afidegnum> yes
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1480 [11:20:27] <blawiz> anyone know why palemoon/ff would timestamp history with unix-time pluss some other digits at the end? eg 1481535465748851
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1483 [11:21:03] <sandman13> afidegnum: ssh -v ... can help you detect the error. Also have you copied your ssh key(s) to the remote server?
1484 [11:21:33] <afidegnum> blawiz: i dont know of palemon but using timestamp is easier for time calculation and manipulation
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1486 [11:22:41] <afidegnum> sandman13: i have copied the generated public key to the remote server
1487 [11:24:03] <afidegnum> ssh -V just ouput the debian version
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1489 [11:24:48] <sandman13> afidegnum: Not -V but -v
1490 [11:24:55] <sandman13> lowercased 'v'
1491 [11:25:20] <sandman13> afidegnum: What is the permisson and name of your key?
1492 [11:25:26] <sandman13> *permission
1493 [11:26:09] <blawiz> afidegnum: ye, but what are the extra numbers?
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1495 [11:26:30] <afidegnum> OpenSSH_6.7p1 Debian-5+deb8u3, OpenSSL 1.0.1t 3 May 2016
1496 [11:26:48] <afidegnum> i followd this tutorial, replaced-url
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1499 [11:27:03] <afidegnum> while generating the keys, i was asked a file name, which i entered
1500 [11:27:19] <afidegnum> later i changd it to id_rsa.pub
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1502 [11:27:25] <squigz> X crashes every time I launch a video file. Here is the tail of /var/log/Xorg.1.log replaced-url
1503 [11:27:27] <afidegnum> but chmod it to 500
1504 [11:27:41] <squigz> Please help. This is the infuriated I've ever been at my computer
1505 [11:27:45] <squigz> the most*
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1507 [11:28:34] <imran27> How to update artowrk on Debian stretch? Artwork (wallpapers, grub, splash, lock screen, etc.) on my debian stretch is of Debian 8
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1509 [11:28:41] <sandman13> afidegnum: ssh -v <other_arguments> can help you detect what's wrong :)
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1511 [11:29:10] <sandman13> See what keys are being used for login
1512 [11:29:15] <afidegnum> squigz: ouput the content where the error is of the file "/var/log/Xorg.1.log"
1513 [11:29:34] <squigz> I did
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1518 [11:32:55] <afidegnum> should i turn Permitroot off before trying the public key login?
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1520 [11:33:10] <afidegnum> or there are special arguments
1521 [11:33:11] <afidegnum> ?
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1530 [11:38:01] <afidegnum> ok, i tried that on a different PC, it pop up an error of Security Breat!!! the rsa key... bla bla bla
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1533 [11:42:07] <google77> hi
1534 [11:42:36] <google77> something's wrong with my testing. I haven't gotten any updates in 2 days.
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1537 [11:46:35] <JyZyXEL> is it possible to re-install a file from .deb?
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1539 [11:46:55] <JyZyXEL> like to recover a modified executable
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1541 [11:47:22] <FinalX> you could extract the .deb, and take the file from it, or reinstall the entire package with dpkg
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1544 [11:47:52] <JyZyXEL> apt remove; apt install would do it?
1545 [11:48:01] <JyZyXEL> or just apt reinstall?
1546 [11:48:25] <FinalX> no need to remove, even, you can just apt-get install --reinstall <package>
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1548 [11:48:57] <FinalX> if it's a package in a repository, that is. otherwise you can use dpkg -i
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1550 [11:49:17] <FinalX> might not work for config files, but should work for the executables/libraries
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1552 [11:50:27] <babilen> dpkg: confmiss
1553 [11:50:27] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
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1556 [11:52:30] <squigz> So X crashes every time I try to launch some video files (some do not cuase this) the ending of Xorg.1.log available here replaced-url
1557 [11:52:48] <FinalX> babilen: thanks for the extra info (he was looking to recover an executable, though)
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1560 [11:53:30] <afidegnum> if i set PermitRootLogin no will it also prevent 'root' to login?
1561 [11:54:08] <FinalX> it will prevent root from logging in through ssh, but not locally
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1563 [11:54:39] <FinalX> so a user can still ssh in as a regular user and su/sudo as long as that's not closed off in other ways
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1569 [11:58:53] <ransur0t> google77: are you getting an update error, specifically?
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1574 [12:00:13] <JyZyXEL> does Xorg support hot plugging video devices?
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1595 [12:07:18] <c267> Debian sucks
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1598 [12:07:32] <c267> Debian is an abomination. Repent I say, repent!
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1601 [12:08:44] <c267> join /linux
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1603 [12:08:57] <squigz> /linux, eh?
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1606 [12:09:42] <teraflops> c267: thanks for sharing your feelings with us. now go grab your medication
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1609 [12:10:27] <bezaban> he might already have had it :(
1610 [12:10:44] <mrrhq> JyZyXEL: Does your hardware even support it?
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1613 [12:11:02] <mrrhq> I've never heard of hot-swapping a GPU or something.
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1618 [12:12:01] <MaBunny> ! bdo
1619 [12:12:01] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
1620 [12:12:36] <MaBunny> ! bdo list
1621 [12:12:36] <dpkg> To list all packages you have installed from <debian backports>: «aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Debian Backports))' --disable-columns -F%p»; apt must know about the origin repository for this to work (i.e. you have a 'deb' line for it in sources.list and 'apt-get update' has been run). To list all backported packages available for your system: «aptitude search '?origin(Debian Backports)'». See also <which repo>.
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1623 [12:13:03] <MaBunny> ! bdo contents
1624 [12:13:03] <dpkg> To see a list of packages that are available to you from Debian Backports, first add backports.debian.org to your sources (ask me about <debian-backports>) then "aptitude search ~Vbpo". To determine installed Debian Backports packages, ask me about <bdo list>.
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1630 [12:14:52] <babilen> FinalX: Yeah, just thought it might be helpful the next time around. You mentioned configuration files, that's why.
1631 [12:15:32] <FinalX> yeah, hence my "thanks for the extra info", nice to know for myself as well :)
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1642 [12:20:25] <MaBunny> !simple sid backports
1643 [12:20:25] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
1644 [12:21:21] <teraflops> MaBunny: /msg dpkg works too ^
1645 [12:21:45] <MaBunny> i tried query dpkg and !bdo but it didnt work
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1650 [12:24:07] <teraflops> MaBunny: /msg dpkg simple sid backports or whatever works here
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1652 [12:25:14] <JyZyXEL> interesting, pressing the reset button during a kernel freeze caused a bunch of garbage to be written into .zsh_history
1653 [12:25:41] <teraflops> MaBunny: while in the query buffer you don't use !
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1655 [12:25:50] <MaBunny> ok
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1658 [12:27:00] <MaBunny> teraflops, what is the package name of gcc 6.0.1 in sid?
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1661 [12:30:12] <towo^work> gcc-6 and it's 6.2.1-5 in sid
1662 [12:30:30] <MaBunny> yes i c
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1682 [12:44:40] <baphomet`> how can i see wich is the latest version of irssi in the respos?
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1693 [12:47:23] <n4dir> apt-cache policy, apt-cache search, dpkg -l , whatever
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1697 [12:48:45] <JyZyXEL> is the Xorg modesetting driver on jessie too old to provide Haswell graphics with OpenGL support?
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1705 [12:50:57] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: the driver is on the kernel.
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1707 [12:51:07] <teraflops> also for 3d you want dri
1708 [12:51:24] <JyZyXEL> well, glxgears gets killed instantly
1709 [12:51:27] <teraflops> you better pick all the stuff from backports
1710 [12:51:51] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: what did you do exactly?
1711 [12:52:04] <JyZyXEL> i did sudo apt-get remove xserver-xorg-video-intel
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1714 [12:52:14] <JyZyXEL> to let Xorg fall back to modesetting
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1717 [12:52:37] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: for modesetting what you want is removing the xorg driver
1718 [12:52:55] <teraflops> yeah remove I'm blind sorry
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1721 [12:53:23] <JyZyXEL> it said "The use of this driver is discouraged if your hw is new enough (ca. 2007 and newer). You can try uninstalling this driver and let the server use it's builtin modesetting driver instead." in the video-intel package
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1726 [12:53:35] <JyZyXEL> but now that im switched to modesetting, opengl doesn't work anymore
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1728 [12:54:11] <teraflops> it has to work. which kernel is there?
1729 [12:54:25] <JyZyXEL> 4.7.0
1730 [12:54:41] <JyZyXEL> looks like PRIME doesn't work anymore either
1731 [12:54:53] <JyZyXEL> % xrandr --setprovideroffloadsink radeon modesetting
1732 [12:54:55] <JyZyXEL> X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
1733 [12:55:07] <teraflops> prime? dual graphics? are tu on jessie?
1734 [12:55:09] <teraflops> you
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1736 [12:55:16] <JyZyXEL> yeah on jessie
1737 [12:55:42] <JyZyXEL> it was working with the backported video-intel driver though
1738 [12:56:05] <JyZyXEL> just the only thing wrong with it was that if you unbound radeon device from radeon driver, the whole kernel freezes
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1741 [12:56:46] <JyZyXEL> maybe i should try backporting the Xorg from sid to get a newer modesetting driver
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1746 [12:58:39] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: hmm. l
1747 [12:58:49] <teraflops> s/I/
1748 [12:59:21] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: mind sharing xorg.log?
1749 [12:59:45] <JyZyXEL> replaced-url
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1755 [13:01:35] <JyZyXEL> hmm, looks like the opengl issue is limited to kdes compositor
1756 [13:01:52] <JyZyXEL> its saying that some desktop effects require OpenGL
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1759 [13:02:22] <JyZyXEL> ill just try restarting kdm to see if that helps
1760 [13:02:30] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: it's using the radionuclide card
1761 [13:02:39] <teraflops> radeon
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1763 [13:02:48] <teraflops> sorry the typos in on the phone
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1765 [13:02:59] <JyZyXEL> no, provider 0 is the modesetting
1766 [13:03:22] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: continue reading...
1767 [13:03:35] <ksk> hola. from time to time I try to use grub-reboot to make my linux box boot the kernel I desire. however like 90% it does not what I would expect - ist there some nice hands-on around for that? thanks..
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1769 [13:04:14] <teraflops> idk about ati/intel dual graphics but it looks you're using the dedicated gpu there
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1771 [13:04:25] <JyZyXEL> Provider 0: id: 0xa8 cap: 0x2, Sink Output crtcs: 3 outputs: 5 associated providers: 0 name:modesetting
1772 [13:04:27] <JyZyXEL> Provider 1: id: 0x59 cap: 0xf, Source Output, Sink Output, Source Offload, Sink Offload crtcs: 6 outputs: 4 associated providers: 0 name:radeon
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1774 [13:05:23] <JyZyXEL> or do you mean that Xorg automatically set the radeon as the DRI device?
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1782 [13:06:49] <JyZyXEL> OpenGL vendor string: VMware, Inc. OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.8, 256 bits) OpenGL version string: 3.0 Mesa 12.0.4
1783 [13:06:54] <ksk> nevermding, It seems I was missing "GRUB_DEFAULT=saved" in my menu.list
1784 [13:07:04] <JyZyXEL> wtf, vmware?! :D
1785 [13:07:41] <JyZyXEL> i have no idea if this is modesetting or radeon or what this is
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1787 [13:07:50] <jelly> that's software rendering
1788 [13:08:14] <JyZyXEL> oh, well thats not good
1789 [13:08:25] <JyZyXEL> that means neither the i915 or radeon are being used for DRI
1790 [13:09:01] <JyZyXEL> i can't think of anything else that the Xorg is just too old
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1805 [13:17:37] <JyZyXEL> even if i only enable modesetting in xorg.conf i don't get proper 3D acceleration
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1809 [13:18:15] <JyZyXEL> so possibly the description in video-intel package is wrong
1810 [13:18:30] <JyZyXEL> at least for haswell
1811 [13:18:42] <JyZyXEL> and probably for newer as well
1812 [13:19:20] <jelly> JyZyXEL: you will need jessie-backports kernel and x-x-v-intel and mesa
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1814 [13:19:30] <jelly> and maybe x-x-core
1815 [13:19:34] <jelly> ,v xserver-xorg-core
1816 [13:19:35] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-core on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.12.4-6+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2:1.12.4-6+deb7u6; jessie: 2:1.16.4-1; sid: 2:1.19.0-2; stretch: 2:1.19.0-2
1817 [13:19:39] <jelly> or not
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1822 [13:20:50] <JyZyXEL> i could try xserver-xorg-core 2:1.19.0-2
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1825 [13:21:42] <JyZyXEL> (WW) modesetting(0): Option "DRI" is not used (II) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI2 capable (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
1826 [13:21:42] <towo^work> not needed for haswell
1827 [13:21:51] <JyZyXEL> towo^work: what is not needed?
1828 [13:21:59] <towo^work> a new xserver version
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1830 [13:22:15] <towo^work> only recent drm, mesa and ddx
1831 [13:22:21] <towo^work> and kernel
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1833 [13:22:47] <JyZyXEL> yeah, that's the setup i had
1834 [13:23:02] <JyZyXEL> works very well as long as you don't try unbinding the radeon driver while Xorg is running :P
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1837 [13:23:30] <JyZyXEL> that just instantly freezes the whole kernel
1838 [13:23:48] <towo^work> what has radeon here to do with intel?
1839 [13:24:09] <JyZyXEL> i use radeon with PRIME for heavy 3D workloads
1840 [13:24:25] <JyZyXEL> where haswell doesn't have the required performance
1841 [13:24:48] <afidegnum> hello, what's the meaning of the following SSH configuration ? PermitTunnel no AllowAgentForwarding no AllowTcpForwarding no X11Forwarding no
1842 [13:24:49] <towo^work> and why you try to unbind radeon, while x is running?
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1845 [13:25:09] <JyZyXEL> to pass the card to a virtual machine
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1850 [13:25:32] <towo^work> tha's not a common use
1851 [13:25:46] <towo^work> x is not designet for such usecase
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1854 [13:26:20] <JyZyXEL> yeah, hence the spectacular failure :P
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1857 [13:27:49] <n4dir> what is the difference between "git clone gitgit@... " and "git clone replaced-url
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1861 [13:28:48] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: ah true, so you have libegl1-mesa libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri from backports too?
1862 [13:28:56] <JyZyXEL> yes
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1865 [13:29:14] <julius> hi
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1867 [13:29:34] <julius> does apt-cacher also cache what apt update downloads? i was under the impression it only saves .deb packages
1868 [13:29:41] <julius> what apt upgrade downloads
1869 [13:29:47] <JyZyXEL> teraflops: somebody has gotten this to work though: replaced-url
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1872 [13:30:20] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: I was talking about the modesetting
1873 [13:30:30] <teraflops> sorry I was afk
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1879 [13:32:00] <JyZyXEL> i think modesetting is baked into Xorg
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1890 [13:34:36] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: kernel and xorg. modesetting is an Xorg driver for KMS devices [...] The modesetting driver can pick up the currently used video mode from the kernel driver and will use it if there are no video modes configured. from man modesetting
1891 [13:34:56] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: is xorg in backports?
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1893 [13:35:34] <JyZyXEL> teraflops: nope
1894 [13:35:44] <JyZyXEL> but it should be easily backportable
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1896 [13:36:18] <jelly> ,v xserver-xorg-video-modesetting
1897 [13:36:20] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-modesetting on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.3.0-1; jessie: 0.9.0-2
1898 [13:36:28] <jelly> ^^ still a separate package in jessie
1899 [13:36:32] <teraflops> oh
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1903 [13:38:50] <JyZyXEL> ,checkbackport xorg
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1905 [13:38:51] <judd> Backporting package xorg in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, jessie-backports.
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1907 [13:39:02] <JyZyXEL> not true; dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 10) asciidoc
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1910 [13:40:44] <JyZyXEL> debhelper : Depends: dh-autoreconf (>= 12~) but 10 is installed. Breaks: dh-systemd (< 1.38) but 1.22 is installed. Breaks: dh-systemd:i386 (< 1.38) which is a virtual package.
1911 [13:40:52] <JyZyXEL> maybe there is a reason why Xorg hasn't been backported :P
1912 [13:41:07] <jelly> JyZyXEL: forget about backporting the x server itself
1913 [13:41:10] <teraflops> hehe
1914 [13:41:24] <jelly> upgrade to stretch if you need that
1915 [13:41:53] <themill> (also, judd is correct; but you don't want to do that)
1916 [13:42:08] <jelly> you'll be without proper security updates for 6-12 months-ish, but it's probably saner than trying to build xorg
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1918 [13:42:28] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: the freeze is coming anyways
1919 [13:42:35] <JyZyXEL> going to stretch would mean Plasma 4 -> Plasma 5 migration
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1921 [13:42:47] <JyZyXEL> which is going to be an absolute nightmare
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1923 [13:43:11] <jelly> JyZyXEL: maybe, maybe not... kde4 -> plasma5 made me go back to xfce :-)
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1925 [13:45:02] <JyZyXEL> i mean, i might still be able to backport Xorg in a jessie chroot
1926 [13:45:24] <jelly> pigs might fly
1927 [13:45:40] <themill> I don't think backporting the xorg package is a useful step in any case
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1930 [13:45:58] <JyZyXEL> it might get rid of the freezing issue
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1932 [13:46:06] <themill> It contains no code.
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1936 [13:47:47] <JyZyXEL> xorg is the source package for a lot of things
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1939 [13:49:40] <JyZyXEL> the guy who has it working has Ubuntu 14.04 and kernel 3.19 :C
1940 [13:49:59] <themill> I think you should look more carefully at the xorg source package.
1941 [13:50:18] <jelly> JyZyXEL: ubuntu have regular backports of the whole kernel/xorg/dri/mesa stack
1942 [13:50:27] <jelly> debian does not
1943 [13:50:47] <JyZyXEL> im gonna check what versions he would have available
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1946 [13:51:59] <JyZyXEL> trusty (14.04LTS) (x11): X.Org X Window System 1:7.7+1ubuntu8: amd64 arm64 armhf i386 powerpc ppc64el
1947 [13:52:09] <jelly> JyZyXEL: replaced-url
1948 [13:52:10] <JyZyXEL> that's the same version as debian jessie has?
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1952 [13:52:57] <jelly> they might have any current or previous HWE installed and running
1953 [13:53:14] <JyZyXEL> ah, yeah: trusty-updates (x11): Xorg X server - core server 2:1.18.3-1ubuntu2.2~trusty3: amd64 arm64 armhf i386 powerpc ppc64el
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1956 [13:53:51] <jelly> so that's not really comparable to the jessie situation
1957 [13:53:57] <JyZyXEL> ill have to ask him for specific versions
1958 [13:54:39] <themill> ubuntu package versions of rather different packages aren't particularly relevant
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1967 [13:57:44] <jelly> they actually got a pretty neat setup, tho naming something "LTS" when you've dug out and given up on old kernel, whole xorg and mesa out and put in new everything is debatable
1968 [13:57:59] <afidegnum> do i need to install openssh-server if i have ssh installed already?
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1971 [13:59:28] <themill> afidegnum: that depends on whether you mean 'ssh package' or 'ssh program'
1972 [13:59:44] <jelly> afidegnum: dpkg -l openssh\*
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1974 [14:01:27] <afidegnum> i m trying to install port knocking
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1980 [14:03:13] <jelly> who's there
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1983 [14:03:51] <afidegnum> jelly: i have been receiving flows of penetration attempts,
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1986 [14:04:37] <jelly> just like everyone else having 22/tcp open
1987 [14:04:59] <jelly> or 80/tcp or 443/tcp or any common port really
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1990 [14:05:39] <n4dir> using a different port should handle that, no?
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1992 [14:06:18] <sh00p> i highly suggest you hide your ip if you're gonna be on irc afidegnum
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1994 [14:06:37] <sh00p> i believe bots crawl irc channels and scans ip's they find
1995 [14:06:44] <sh00p> especially in linux related channels
1996 [14:06:54] <afidegnum> no, this is not the server's ip
1997 [14:06:58] <afidegnum> bit i will hide this one too
1998 [14:07:18] <jelly> sh00p: being on irc is irrelevant, automated probes go thru the whole ipv4 space every couple hours or more often
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2000 [14:07:32] <sh00p> jelly, damn really?
2001 [14:07:45] <teraflops> ^
2002 [14:07:48] <sh00p> thats insane
2003 [14:07:50] <sh00p> i had no clue
2004 [14:07:51] <jelly> it's been this way for years
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2006 [14:08:26] <afidegnum> but what should this be happening?
2007 [14:08:40] <afidegnum> I mean *why* should this be happening?
2008 [14:08:54] <bezaban> I wonder if I should set up something at my hackerspace to make music from port probes. 22 is base, 3389 is snare, 443 high hat etc.
2009 [14:08:59] <bezaban> s/base/bass/
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2011 [14:09:59] <jelly> it doesn't really matter *why*, it's the state of the world, deal with it
2012 [14:10:00] <bezaban> afidegnum: because people want low hanging fruit, like machines with default/bad passwords etc
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2015 [14:11:07] <jelly> even with a simple fail2ban setup, you still get hundreds or probes per hour because highly distributed
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2017 [14:11:58] <jelly> sure, you have key auth only, or random complex password, but seeing the logs slowly fill the disk is annoying
2018 [14:12:15] <n4dir> like said: change the used port
2019 [14:12:27] <bezaban> one bastion host I'm on now has 3780 ip addresses banned from ssh attempts.
2020 [14:12:38] <bezaban> not sure if they expire or after how long
2021 [14:12:38] <jelly> n4dir: that's an annoyance if you have multiple users
2022 [14:12:40] <afidegnum> yes, and i thing this could also impede on the traffic as well,
2023 [14:13:02] <afidegnum> you will ended up paying for additional traffic for nothing
2024 [14:13:08] <n4dir> can't see how that is an annoyance
2025 [14:13:14] <teraflops> bezaban: why? because human nature
2026 [14:13:18] <jelly> n4dir: more so with services like imap or smtp
2027 [14:13:27] <n4dir> oh, i was speaking of ssh
2028 [14:13:30] <Howdy> Good Morning
2029 [14:13:41] <bezaban> teraflops: why what? :o
2030 [14:13:49] <jelly> anything that requires additional manual configuration by the end user is an annoyance, n4dir
2031 [14:13:54] <sh00p> anybody done the math on probing entire ipv6 space?
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2034 [14:14:23] <bezaban> sh00p: they say from the beginning of the universe until the end or something like that
2035 [14:14:24] <teraflops> bezaban: hehe sorry I meant afidegnum
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2038 [14:14:32] <n4dir> well: if you use ssh-keys, creating a ~/.ssh/config is a good thing anyway. To also add the port in there doesn't seem like that much of a problem
2039 [14:14:32] <bezaban> teraflops: oh right :)
2040 [14:14:45] <sh00p> bezaban so that is not gonna be even remotely possible in the same way
2041 [14:15:14] <sh00p> sweet
2042 [14:15:14] <n4dir> but you can't have it both: either comfort for the user or a slight enhancement in security.
2043 [14:15:17] <bezaban> sh00p: indeed, with current tech. However stuff changes and you can reduce the space somewhat, but less practical yeah
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2045 [14:15:23] <jelly> n4dir: now figure out an automated way to add known hosts to your customer's ssh clients, and to SAFELY transfer keys
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2047 [14:15:46] <teraflops> anyway the moral of all it is
2048 [14:15:53] <n4dir> huh? the public keys? Jelly?
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2050 [14:16:03] <teraflops> you better secure whatever you're running on the internet
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2053 [14:16:48] <jelly> s/secure/keep secured/
2054 [14:16:55] <jelly> it's not a one-time job
2055 [14:17:19] <teraflops> right
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2065 [14:24:15] <n4dir> i still fail to understand how transfering the ssh-keys might be an issue
2066 [14:24:45] <bezaban> n4dir: because that requires you to enable password authentication (or otherwise push with automation tools/configuration management)
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2068 [14:26:04] <bezaban> but should be given some thought as machines in dmz will get hit a lot. It's not major imo, but should be given some thought
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2070 [14:27:17] <n4dir> Well: i just copied an ssh key to a github like website. web-interface. I can't see how security ("SAFELY") comes into this. Having passwords enabled surely has.
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2072 [14:27:28] <n4dir> but without keys you have to use passwords anyway ...
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2075 [14:28:24] <n4dir> to say: using ssh keys ain't secure, as you have to enable password authetication to move the pub keys in place, so use password enabled authentication
2076 [14:28:26] <bezaban> or configuration management
2077 [14:28:28] <n4dir> sounds a bit weird to me
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2083 [14:28:54] <bezaban> that wasn't the point at all, just that you make some thought as to how you are authenticating to transfer the keys
2084 [14:29:13] <bezaban> was how I understood it at least.
2085 [14:29:18] <n4dir> well: i have read "SAFELY". so for me that was the point
2086 [14:29:22] <bezaban> ok
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2088 [14:30:01] <n4dir> "some thoughts" Yeah, sure.
2089 [14:30:30] <bezaban> glad we agree
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2091 [14:30:59] <n4dir> :-)
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2098 [14:34:34] <n4dir> didn't look to me as if afidegnum was speaking of thousands of customers, so i looked at it from a very small perspective. Autmated. Well yeah: i sure don't know
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2139 [14:56:19] <jmp> can someone recall how to enable memory accountability on systemd
2140 [14:56:24] <jmp> for cgtop,etc.
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2145 [14:57:05] <jmp> To emphasize this: unless "CPUAccounting=1", "MemoryAccounting=1" and "BlockIOAccounting=1" are enabled for the services in question, no resource accounting will be available for system services
2146 [14:57:09] <jmp> and the data shown by systemd-cgtop will be incomplete.
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2154 [14:58:43] <jmp> found it /etc/sustemd/system.conf
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2256 [15:21:42] <aruns> I a setting SSL enabled website, using nginx, debian wheezy and certbot ; I am getting ssl handshake error, ssl test states testing TLS1.0"Assessment failed: No secure protocols supported" my /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/default file --> replaced-url
2257 [15:21:42] <aruns> >> replaced-url
2258 [15:22:02] <aruns> I a setting SSL enabled website hosted on AWS, using nginx, debian wheezy and certbot ; I am getting ssl handshake error, ssl test states testing TLS1.0"Assessment failed: No secure protocols supported" my /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/default file --> replaced-url
2259 [15:22:02] <aruns> ee this output >> replaced-url
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2304 [15:28:46] <tman> I'm having a problem. I have decided to encript my root drive using the debian-installer. I have used the option for LVM encripted volumes (guided, entire disk) and installation completed succesfully.
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2311 [15:29:32] <tman> On Jessie I got some messages at boot saying the volume group could not be found, these messages came before I got the option to unlock my drive. After giving passkey system boots as normal.
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2313 [15:30:11] <tman> On Stretch I get the same messages from Jessie but also complaints about not being able to connect to lvmetad and how scanning may take a long time. Again boots fine after passkey
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2315 [15:31:04] <tman> So my question: Where do I need to look to fix my errors? I've been reading about LVM, lvmetad, dm-crypt, systemd, udev and my head is spinning! Can you direct me?
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2321 [15:32:06] <jelly> tman: those are normal and a consequence of how initramfs code searches for block devices, fails to find them, and only then tries to unlock LUKS (crypto) block devs
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2324 [15:32:37] <jelly> so basically a cosmetic issue
2325 [15:33:16] <tman> oh. Thank you. Do you know if I can fix the cosmetics? I.e supress these messages
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2335 [15:36:02] <jelly> tman: you don't want to suppress them -- the same code will also let you know when something is _really_ missing. The right way to do this would probably involve fixing initramfs creation to a) take notice which block devices are dependant on LUKS, and b) not look for them before luks devs are open
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2340 [15:36:41] <jelly> I guess you can add a "quiet" option to kernel parameters (/etc/default/grub), see if that helps
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2353 [15:40:31] <tman> I will look into initramfs to see what can be done there, sounds better revolving the ordering then hiding everything. Think I remember reading something about this on archliniux wiki. Thanks a lot
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2365 [15:46:19] <jelly> it won't be as simple as reversing the order -- the same code is used to find the underlying physical dev for luks, as the one used after to find the device for root fs
2366 [15:46:37] <jelly> (at least, I suspect so)
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2374 [15:49:45] <debian-mate> my 500 GiB drive all of the sudden displays 465.8 GiB . ... what happend?
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2383 [15:53:15] <tman> debian-mate: that is correct. On Linux or Windows it will show 465 and in Mac it will show 500 (still same amount either way). See: replaced-url
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2431 [16:05:17] <maddawg2> guys i'm having issues with figuring out what debian changed half the scripts from apache to
2432 [16:05:36] <maddawg2> i'm attemtping to follow these steps: replaced-url
2433 [16:05:38] <Shadur> Scripts, not config files?
2434 [16:05:41] <maddawg2> but i am at the last one
2435 [16:05:44] <maddawg2> a2ensite
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2437 [16:05:49] <maddawg2> that doesnt work
2438 [16:05:50] <maddawg2> the command
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2440 [16:06:00] <Shadur> Works for me on Jessie.
2441 [16:06:01] <maddawg2> a2ensite default-ssl
2442 [16:06:07] <maddawg2> i'm using jessie
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2444 [16:06:20] <Shadur> Ahh. Bear in mind that it now only recognizes config files that end in .conf
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2446 [16:06:33] <maddawg2> ah
2447 [16:07:10] <maddawg2> does debian have a firewall on by default?
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2451 [16:07:57] <maddawg2> and also the command apachectl -S should show something but the command isnt found
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2453 [16:08:14] <maddawg2> there are a whole bunch of apache scripts that jsut dont seem to exist in debian
2454 [16:08:16] <maddawg2> or are renamed
2455 [16:08:23] <maddawg2> but cant find what they've been changed to
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2463 [16:10:38] <humping> i
2464 [16:10:39] <humping> hump
2465 [16:10:40] <humping> people
2466 [16:10:41] <maddawg2> why is there zero documentation on what changes the debian maintainers did to Apache
2467 [16:10:57] <maddawg2> half of the stuff that SHOULD work in apache don't
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2469 [16:11:25] <maddawg2> and apache insists that debian changed it in their distro and i need to find what the commands now are but there is zero documentation of that on debian's side that i can find
2470 [16:11:25] <humping> i'm so hi all i can do is HUMP!
2471 [16:11:29] <humping> humpy sex
2472 [16:11:36] <humping> sexy humping
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2476 [16:11:55] <abrotman> humping: go play elsewhere
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2480 [16:12:54] <maddawg2> does debian have a firewall enabled by default?
2481 [16:12:59] <abrotman> no
2482 [16:13:07] <maddawg2> ok so that's not the damn problem
2483 [16:13:09] <maddawg2> grrrrr
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2485 [16:13:19] <maddawg2> cant get apache working over ssl for the damn life of me
2486 [16:13:31] <maddawg2> it keeps refusing connection
2487 [16:13:50] <abrotman> maddawg2: you can pastebin your configs, someone can check them
2488 [16:14:09] <maddawg2> which config
2489 [16:14:16] <maddawg2> apache has quite a few
2490 [16:14:37] <maddawg2> it's also possible i have no clue where i'm supposed to be editing this stuff
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2494 [16:17:03] <lisk0v> Ubuntu is better operating system than Debian.
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2496 [16:17:23] <AlexLikeRock> lisk0v, , hhahahah
2497 [16:17:26] <lisk0v> Debian is usually maintained by complete retards, Ubuntu is developed by real professional computer programmers.
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2502 [16:17:36] <AlexLikeRock> ubuntu are based at DEBIAN TESTINGB
2503 [16:17:42] <AlexLikeRock> TESTING ***
2504 [16:17:45] <jelly> AlexLikeRock: don't feed the troll, please
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2507 [16:18:15] <sillyme> maddawg2, try apache2ctl
2508 [16:18:16] <AlexLikeRock> jelly, , ttanks , i forguet
2509 [16:18:32] <AlexLikeRock> ^_^
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2512 [16:18:41] <JeDa> weird that that tor relay isnt banned
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2514 [16:19:01] <maddawg2> sillyme? for what?
2515 [16:19:22] <sillyme> you wanted apachectl -S, use apache2ctl -S
2516 [16:19:25] <AlexLikeRock> for a jelly
2517 [16:19:35] <AlexLikeRock> jelly are my friend
2518 [16:19:43] <sillyme> and -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS will show you where it's listening
2519 [16:19:50] <apathor> hi. trying to figure out a debian package build system i did not setup - does dh_make or a related tool auto-generate a 'control' file?
2520 [16:19:55] <maddawg2> ah yea i managed to get that the problem i'm having is figuring out why ssl is not working
2521 [16:19:59] <Iridos> is there some program in debian that I could paste strace output to and it'd take all the \x34\x2f type things and convert them to ascii where that is possibe (kind of like "strings")
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2524 [16:21:02] <han-solo> Iridos: are you sure it's all ascii?
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2528 [16:21:44] <sillyme> maddawg2, didn't the error logs tell you anything? also you can check your conf with apache2ctl -t before reloading
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2530 [16:22:25] <Iridos> han-solo, I'm pretty sure it's not… but if there's ascii stuff somewhere in there, that'd be the stuff I'd like seeing
2531 [16:22:50] <maddawg2> sillyme: [Mon Dec 12 10:15:25.237131 2016] [alias:warn] [pid 1642] AH00671: The Alias directive in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default-ssl.conf at line 140 will probably never match because it overlaps an earlier Alias.
2532 [16:22:59] <maddawg2> which is odd because there is only one alias directive in there
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2549 [16:26:55] <Iridos> oh, silly me, I had -x to strace… it's probably already doing that
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2557 [16:29:08] <Iridos> comes from recycling old commandlines :-/
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2559 [16:29:26] <han-solo> Iridos: i was trying to do that with printf
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2570 [16:33:39] <Iridos> sorry, didn't notice I hadn't ruled out stupidity first
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2583 [16:40:31] <afidegnum> i have activated fail2ban, and port knocking, now, i can't login
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2585 [16:42:00] <toruvinn> "congrats"? ;-)
2586 [16:42:30] <Walex> afidegnum: perfect security :-)
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2592 [16:43:40] <Walex> afidegnum: presumbly it will be port-knocking not working or not being used right
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2594 [16:44:26] <afidegnum> :D :D :D oh, you guys are wicked, i can't login and you claimed it to be perfect security ?
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2597 [16:46:03] <Pelle`> what desktop enviroment would you recommend for a user that is new to linux (switching from win)... as retard proof as possible, its for my dad :)
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2599 [16:46:21] <afidegnum> Pelle`: Debian is good
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2601 [16:46:35] <afidegnum> fast, sleep,
2602 [16:46:36] <maddawg2> afidegnum, debian is not a desktop environment
2603 [16:46:38] <greycat> I've heard people recommend xfce for non-technical Windows converts.
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2605 [16:46:51] <maddawg2> or kde is more windows like in appearance
2606 [16:46:56] <AlexLikeRock> Pelle`, i recomend MATE desktop
2607 [16:47:00] <maddawg2> but i hate both gnome and kde
2608 [16:47:05] <maddawg2> too slow it seems for me
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2610 [16:47:25] <Pelle`> yea i kinda dont like gnome or kde aswell.. but he might like it
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2612 [16:47:37] <Pelle`> xfce is kinda neat last time i tried it
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2615 [16:47:47] <sh00p> xfce needs a bit of tuning out of the box imo
2616 [16:47:55] <afidegnum> the orginal gnome for debian is good, unless your PC is slow,
2617 [16:47:59] <Pelle`> yea thats also true
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2619 [16:48:38] <Pelle`> i think hes pc is kinda slow, like inte dual core 2-4gb ram i think
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2622 [16:49:03] <greycat> For GNOME it's more about the video card.
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2627 [16:49:35] <sillyme> and for everything else it's ssd vs hdd first
2628 [16:49:39] <nopf>
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2631 [16:50:18] <Pelle`> mkay, might let him try xfce with a bit of tweaking...
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2634 [16:51:18] <nopf> Pelle`: ubuntustudio is very well packaged around xfce
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2637 [16:52:09] <Pelle`> thanks, ill have a look at it
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2640 [16:53:45] <n4dir> intel dual core 2-4 Gigs Ram is considered slow? Pretty much the best i have here ...
2641 [16:54:44] <sillyme> same here, good enough
2642 [16:54:46] <n4dir> and xfce debian can handle well way less
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2653 [16:56:58] <n4dir> ps_mem.py | tail -n 2
2654 [16:56:58] <n4dir> 235.3 MiB
2655 [16:56:58] <n4dir> lol
2656 [16:57:14] <greycat> whatever that means
2657 [16:57:26] <labia> hey
2658 [16:57:55] <n4dir> greycat: it means if i have 4 Gigs and 3.7 of them idle, then getting me myslef 8 Gigs probably ain't worth it
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2661 [16:58:07] <greycat> !free ram
2662 [16:58:07] <dpkg> Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
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2665 [16:58:50] <n4dir> well: i can't change it, it doesn't use much more
2666 [16:59:42] <greycat> So 235.3 MiB was the amount of RAM currently in use? You obviously are not running one of the major graphical web browsers.
2667 [16:59:49] <n4dir> seamonkey
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2669 [17:00:12] <n4dir> but just started it. Yes, web-browser sure will make it grow
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2671 [17:00:18] <greycat> I begin to suspect your python program does not do what you think it does.
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2676 [17:01:26] <n4dir> this way or that way i sure have no idea why i would need more than 4 Gigs of Ram
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2678 [17:02:36] <teraflops> n4dir: lucky you
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2692 [17:05:55] <n4dir> not that lucky. RAM is cheap. If i needed more ...
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2694 [17:06:13] <hui> Hi
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2698 [17:07:53] <teraflops> n4dir: yeah unless it's solded and you can upgrade it
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2700 [17:08:10] <sillyme> or your board is limited to 4gb
2701 [17:08:10] <teraflops> cannot
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2704 [17:08:26] <teraflops> indeed
2705 [17:08:39] <sillyme> or it's ddr2 and 4gb modules are very cheap *not
2706 [17:08:43] <n4dir> yeah, i got a few of such devices.
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2713 [17:10:02] <sillyme> i've got another 2gb laying around and no place to put it, but i could use it though
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2715 [17:10:45] <sillyme> chrome, atom and a virtualbox machine pretty much uses up all my 4gb + 4gb swap
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2727 [17:13:06] <n4dir> slightly astonished that one needs quite a bit of Ram if one uses Virtualbox. :-)
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2730 [17:13:57] <sillyme> well it's set use 1gb, so that shouldn't be to much, or at least i thought so
2731 [17:14:48] <n4dir> i thought so too. uses as much as you give to it
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2735 [17:15:15] <sillyme> well then it's chrome and chrome-developer-tools
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2738 [17:15:49] <sillyme> ah and some java thing... ok i officially want more ram now
2739 [17:16:06] <teraflops> the only obstacle for running a DE/WM in old devices are the web browsers
2740 [17:16:24] <n4dir> for me sure it's the web-browsers
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2768 [17:25:12] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: can't find any
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2771 [17:25:19] <rafalcpp> whoops sorry, wrong key.
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2774 [17:25:47] <rafalcpp> Are Debian's consoles always i UTF-8 mode, or is this quite common they can be in other mode (e.g. the virtual terminal)?
2775 [17:25:51] <rafalcpp> in
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2777 [17:26:26] <greycat> jessie/amd64 is utf8 by default. I can't speak for any other combos at the moment.
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2813 [17:43:10] <oty> hey. Do you know how to toggle the wifi activation from commandline ? I got an annoying behviour : each time it boots/awake, wifi get activated and there is a combo key to do each time:(
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2855 [17:54:20] <stoned> I accidentally pasted some C++ code in a bash terminal window last night, and unsure what it has caused, but now I can't do ls in ~/ it hangs and I can't even ^C out
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2858 [17:54:38] <greycat> close the terminal, open another
2859 [17:54:40] <stoned> File open/save dialogs don't work either, nothing shows up
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2863 [17:55:16] <stoned> It hangs actually. I restarted the whoel system, ran fsck on the xfs drive /
2864 [17:55:22] * jelly wonders if C++ code can do "chmod -x $HOME"
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2867 [17:55:49] <stoned> I was basically just editing a vramfs source file and accidentlly clicked middl ebutton in terminal
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2871 [17:56:46] <stoned> I restarted, and I did ls in ~/ and directory listing shows up. I moved this terminal to monitor 3. I started chrome, I try to open a jpg file to post somewhere, and the gtk open dialog hands when I click on /home/stoned
2872 [17:56:54] <greycat> C comment markers /* and */ would both be expanded by a shell....
2873 [17:57:04] <stoned> now it's gone again.
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2875 [17:58:02] <stoned> I ran strace ls in a new terminal, let me see
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2879 [17:59:40] <stoned> It lists all the files, and then exists like so: replaced-url
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2881 [18:00:43] <stoned> if I do ls in new terminal, still hangs, no listing, konqueror hangs, everything system wide.
2882 [18:01:01] <greycat> dmesg | tail
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2889 [18:02:35] <stoned> Oh ffs.
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2892 [18:04:04] <stoned> I bet I know wht it is. maybe...
2893 [18:04:09] <jelly> maybe you just have three million files in ~ and it doesn't hang as much as go thru the directory index very very slowly
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2895 [18:04:32] <stoned> Oh no, barely like 20-30 files and like 15 direc
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2897 [18:04:55] <jelly> how many of those are random-7-character.jpg ?
2898 [18:04:59] <stoned> I have a cifs mount /home/stoned/laptop which dmesg tells me times out. I'm trying to see whether this is making it hang. not sure why it would.
2899 [18:05:11] <stoned> I have a script that takes shots and uplods to imgur
2900 [18:05:16] <stoned> some I then dl to save for later
2901 [18:05:21] <stoned> maybe like 20
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2904 [18:05:44] <jelly> because ls -l and other stuff tries to stat() each entry in /home/stoned/, including that mount point
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2907 [18:06:25] <stoned> replaced-url
2908 [18:06:31] * jelly suddenly remember why he has a ~/mnt/ and mountpoints inside that, now
2909 [18:06:44] <stoned> jelly: yes, I think so, b/c I have an ls alias tht does ls -alh or somethign weird
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2915 [18:07:40] <jelly> smarter gui file manager probably do stat() asynchronously
2916 [18:07:44] <jelly> managers*
2917 [18:08:18] <stoned> jeez it won't let me umount the mount
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2926 [18:10:34] <stoned> apparently that's not it.
2927 [18:10:43] <stoned> I just randomly am now able to ls again.
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2931 [18:11:02] <stoned> laptop is still mounted, and browseable. Maybe it came back? I dunno how ti could have been lost, Im on irc right now
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2934 [18:12:06] <jelly> if you use sshfs or some other fuse-based thing, at least you can kill the backend process there to let the kernel release all locks
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2938 [18:12:33] <stoned> no just cifs mount.
2939 [18:12:59] <jelly> that alone makes it a lot more usable than cifs or nfs on unreliable networks
2940 [18:13:14] <jelly> (all wifi is unreliable)
2941 [18:13:23] <stoned> here' smy setup, I have a windows 10 laptop, catches free internet on wifi, then through windows Ineternet connection sharing, I share it with the laptop ethernet, and then I plug in a ethernet cable to laptop and desktop, and then on my debian desktop, I use dhcp.
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2943 [18:13:36] <stoned> actually, I just disabled windows firewall on my l aptop and now I can freaking ls.
2944 [18:13:50] <stoned> I wonder... goofy windows, I thought I allowed everything from my desktop ip yesterday
2945 [18:13:53] <stoned> I swear to dog.
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2947 [18:14:02] <m_robot> Anyone who can tell me how can a add a. Image to grub
2948 [18:14:27] <m_robot> I already changed the resolution to preffered mode
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2951 [18:15:03] <m_robot> How can i change the imagd of gfub
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2956 [18:16:41] <m_robot> missmbob: how can i add an image to grub...
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2969 [18:22:04] <stoned> greycat: thanks for the dmesg suggestion, I never thought to look at that.
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2971 [18:22:22] <stoned> In dmesg I saw the cifs timeout, which made me oh ffs.
2972 [18:22:24] <stoned> :D
2973 [18:22:44] <stoned> I think I foncigured the windows 10 firewall hopefully it's okay now
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2987 [18:29:02] <bluzeophone> hey guys what the mascot name? i trying to do some research for an project
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2989 [18:29:36] <greycat> What mascot?
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2991 [18:29:42] <TomTomTosch> you mean tux?
2992 [18:29:56] <bluzeophone> Debian - linux mascot is tux
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2994 [18:30:09] <greycat> Tux is the Linux mascot.
2995 [18:30:23] <TomTomTosch> and since when does debian have a mascot?
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2998 [18:30:43] <bezaban> I'm guessing this is part of the research :)
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3007 [18:31:29] <greycat> Unless he's talking about the Toy Story characters after which the releases are code-named.
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3028 [18:35:00] <jelly> debian does not have a mascot, bluzeophone
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3031 [18:35:40] <bluzeophone> ok guys. i thought Debian did since because a lot of projects do.
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3034 [18:36:04] <sillyme> gnu has one
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3037 [18:36:44] <abrotman> FreeBSD has one
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3047 [18:38:00] <grift> debian does have some proposals is seems: replaced-url
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3050 [18:38:45] <sillyme> muscanette
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3078 [18:48:44] <saptech> Hello. On my thinkpad laptop, I've recently noticed when I type aptitude update & aptitude upgrade, the final output is showing a completely different look. It show files to be upgraded but then when it starts, all I get is a row of info. Has anyone noticed this behavior?
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3082 [18:49:24] <saptech> A row with title and percentage only
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3092 [18:52:56] <jelly> saptech: which debian release?
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3095 [18:53:20] <jelly> saptech: can you put up a screenshot and point out your issue?
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3101 [18:54:11] <saptech> jelly, Stretch actually, but wasn't getting an answer from debian-next. I'm not home at the moment
3102 [18:54:43] <jelly> saptech: and tell us the _exact_ command you ran. "apt upgrade" is different from "apt-get upgrade" is different from "aptitude upgrade"
3103 [18:54:50] <jelly> ,v apt
3104 [18:54:51] <judd> Package: apt on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.9.8.3; sid: 1.4~beta1; stretch: 1.4~beta1
3105 [18:55:01] <jelly> note the 1.4 apt in stretch
3106 [18:55:39] <saptech> after doing aptitude upgrade, it show files to be upgraded, then when it starts, it only show 3 titles(can't remember at the moment) and percentage of downloading, I guess
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3110 [18:56:06] <jelly> I'm going to wait until you can show actual output, sorry
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3112 [18:56:17] <saptech> it does not show the files being upgraded like it used to do
3113 [18:56:29] <saptech> ok, thnx
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3116 [18:56:45] <saptech> i won't be home until around 5pm CST
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3384 [20:35:07] <Toordog_> Hi, on debian 7.11, sssd 1.8.4 seems to have a bug where alternative AD server won't be used if the first server is unresponsive. is there an update available for this bugfix for sssd?
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3417 [20:56:49] <odlalutra> hi, i need to install: replaced-url
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3419 [20:57:56] <odlalutra> will i always need to manually recompile the free firmware as per the instructions here: replaced-url
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3422 [20:59:46] <awal1> oldalutra: free firmwares are usually recommended bcuz of maintenance
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3429 [21:02:27] <awal1> maintenance by the open source community and compatibility with open source software ^
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3431 [21:03:04] <awal1> odlalutra
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3433 [21:03:24] <odlalutra> awal1: ok, thanks. will i need to recompile when kernel updates?
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3437 [21:04:19] <greycat> If you're building a kernel driver yourself, NOT using a packaged one, then you'll need to rebuild it whenever your kernel's "uname -r" output changes.
3438 [21:04:43] <greycat> Just doing "apt-get upgrade" within a stable release without backports should not change that, so should not require recompiles.
3439 [21:04:58] <greycat> !kernel handbook
3440 [21:04:58] <dpkg> The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook replaced-url
3441 [21:04:59] <odlalutra> nope, just building the firmware
3442 [21:05:04] <greycat> there is no "just"
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3444 [21:05:44] <odlalutra> greycat: i am on stable w/o backports.
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3447 [21:06:07] <greycat> Then you should not have to rebuild a 3rd-party driver until you upgrade from jessie to stretch.
3448 [21:06:56] <odlalutra> greycat: ok, thanks.
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3464 [21:15:50] <lethu> hello I want to come back to open source amd graphics drivers after I have installed the closed source one from the amd site
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3475 [21:22:59] <nano_python> lethu, You can find the installed drivers with "dpkg -l fglrx*"
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3477 [21:23:22] <nano_python> And then you should be able to remove them with "dpkg -r package"
3478 [21:23:24] <greycat> fglrx\* is safer.
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3480 [21:23:52] <nano_python> greycat, What is the difference, never used \* before?
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3483 [21:24:16] <greycat> fglrx* will be expanded by the shell based on the files in the current working directory; if none match that glob, then the glob is left alone and dpkg sees fglrx*
3484 [21:24:40] <greycat> If any files match, dpkg sees fglrx-1.23-stuff fglrx-sucks fglrxbabyyeah ...
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3486 [21:25:04] <zartarr> howdy fellas
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3489 [21:26:44] <zartarr> I'm just trying to install Debian on an ASUS C201 ; I'm on the instructions page and require just some help setting up the SD card
3490 [21:26:56] <zartarr> anyone game to try and spend a couple minutes with me?
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3496 [21:30:06] <jhutchins> zartarr: Booting from the SD card?
3497 [21:30:33] <zartarr> well on the website it says to setup a SD card on a desktop machine
3498 [21:30:35] <jhutchins> zartarr: Are you planning to run the installer from the card, or do you want to install Debian on the card.
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3500 [21:31:15] <zartarr> I have no preference, I just don't want to use google, I bought it specifically to do this. I want to do what you recommend as a long term useable solution for the machine.
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3503 [21:31:35] <zartarr> I found the wiki, and then patiently waited for a good deal on an asus c201 and just purchased it.
3504 [21:31:42] <jhutchins> zartarr: I have no idea what your machine is capable of or of how it loads it's OS.
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3506 [21:31:58] <jhutchins> zartarr: What wiki?
3507 [21:32:05] <zartarr> replaced-url
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3509 [21:32:23] <zartarr> Its specifically created to setup Debian on the ASUS C201
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3515 [21:33:26] <zartarr> I've done the easy part, which was written well to prepare the machine enable Developer Mode and USB/SD card boot. I'm on the part "Installing to an SD card using the ChromeOS kernal"
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3519 [21:34:38] <zartarr> you know the blurb starts in a little grey box, that says [ # On a desktop machine ... ]
3520 [21:34:56] <zartarr> I am having difficulty following that part buddy
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3552 [21:51:00] <lethu> Hello again, I did "apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon" then "aptitude purge '~ifglrx'" and "rm -f /etc/X11/xorg.conf" rebooted and got a fatal error with xorg and a black screen
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3569 [22:04:47] <fguide> lethu: it seems you have leted xorg.conf and haven't replaced it with a valid config file
3570 [22:05:09] <fguide> lethu: since you're installing radeon drivers, you could try running aticonfig --initial
3571 [22:05:40] <mrrhq> Most radeon GPUs unfortunately also need linux-firmware-nonfree.
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3574 [22:06:32] <fguide> ^ that as well
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3576 [22:07:02] <grafdiffuzor> Hi! Just upgraded Chromium from 53 to 55 on Jessie, and bookmark toolbar / tabs font became small. Too small for convenient use. Wasn't able to google anything useful. Can you suggest a fix?
3577 [22:07:22] <lethu> how to install linux-firmware-nonfree?
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3581 [22:08:01] <lethu> on my system it's firmaware-linux-nonfree
3582 [22:08:07] <fguide> lethu: apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree
3583 [22:08:10] <lethu> firmware
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3585 [22:08:27] <mrrhq> You need to add the non-free repo in /etc/apt/sources.list
3586 [22:08:38] <lethu> okay thanks mrrhq
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3595 [22:09:24] <fguide> lethu: and after doing so don't forget to run aticonfig --initial to have a new xorg.conf file, unless you already have one backed up
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3599 [22:11:13] <lethu> fguide, thanks I will try this
3600 [22:11:16] <lethu> brb
3601 [22:11:20] <klow> Is nagios still the standard in open source monitoring?
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3607 [22:11:57] <preaction> i think the market got fragmented quite a bit. i use icinga2 now, because the nagios people turned into assholes
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3620 [22:19:12] <jhutchins> zartarr: Sorry, dealing with a major screw-up by GoDaddy.
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3624 [22:19:49] <zartarr> no worries, im thankful im just getting a response from somewhere out in outerspace
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3627 [22:22:10] <adriano> Hi , i have lost my postfix password anyone can help me ?
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3631 [22:22:25] <Guest51357> Hi , i have lost my postfix password anyone can help me ?
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3635 [22:23:40] <Guest51357> Hi , i have lost my postfix password anyone can help me ? i have an acces at phpmyadmin but i have lost password of contact@***
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3640 [22:25:00] <preaction> Guest51357: i suspect #mysql could help
3641 [22:25:07] <greycat> Um, no.
3642 [22:25:27] <preaction> oh, postfix password. via phpmyadmin?
3643 [22:25:30] <greycat> #postgresql might, though.
3644 [22:25:39] <greycat> Oh, postFIX not postGRES.
3645 [22:25:46] <preaction> maybe they mean postgres?
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3647 [22:25:49] <greycat> Wait, how does postfix even have its own password?
3648 [22:25:54] <Guest51357> Yes postfix
3649 [22:25:55] <preaction> yeah, i'm confused now
3650 [22:25:59] <greycat> That makes zero sernse.
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3652 [22:26:15] <Guest51357> Can i share a screenshot ?
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3654 [22:26:42] <greycat> Are you talking about some a password for some mysql database of virtual users?
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3657 [22:27:03] <Guest51357> replaced-url
3658 [22:27:03] <greycat> If not, what is this password *for*?
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3660 [22:27:20] <Guest51357> i wan't to create new email password
3661 [22:27:35] <greycat> Email goes to users. Users have password. Emails do not have passwords.
3662 [22:27:41] <Guest51357> and i've lost contact@***** password
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3664 [22:27:52] <greycat> Is "contact" a virtual user of some kind?
3665 [22:28:15] <greycat> Or did you define it as a regular Debian user?
3666 [22:28:34] <greycat> Or is it just an alias defined in /etc/aliases (or similar) that redirects to your normal user account, which would be the normal procedure?
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3669 [22:28:48] <lethu> hello again
3670 [22:28:54] <Guest51357> Hum contact is a dovecot user
3671 [22:29:00] <lethu> I don't have the command aticonfig --initial
3672 [22:29:02] <Guest51357> it's not a real user
3673 [22:29:27] <greycat> I never understood this fascination with virtual users.
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3676 [22:30:29] <frikinz> not requiring to create real unix accounts?
3677 [22:31:14] <Guest51357> Nop
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3679 [22:31:27] <lethu> what is the package that can make aticonfig available in my system?
3680 [22:31:36] <greycat> But creating real unix accounts is *easier*... and creating an alias is easier still.
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3682 [22:32:10] <greycat> ,file aticonfig
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3684 [22:32:13] <judd> Search for aticonfig in jessie/amd64: fglrx-driver: usr/bin/aticonfig
3685 [22:32:16] <Guest51357> Yeah but my friend who installed that has doing this
3686 [22:32:23] <frikinz> greycat: but useless if they don't need one? :) I'm currently creating unix accounts with /bin/false as shell though :)
3687 [22:32:46] <lethu> okay judd thanks
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3694 [22:35:11] <frikinz> Guest51357: replaced-url
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3697 [22:36:30] <frikinz> Guest51357: and another one through phpmyadmin replaced-url
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3700 [22:37:51] <Guest51357> Thhaaaaanks :D
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3702 [22:39:05] <JyZyXEL> the latest debian chromium upgrade broke pulseaudio support for me :/
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3704 [22:40:25] <JyZyXEL> a "security upgrade" that bumps up the version from 53 to 55 and breaks stuff ://
3705 [22:40:26] <greycat> So there's a thing called "postfixadmin" and it has its own password which is completely separate from the root password and it stores this password in a mysql database, and people actually *use* this thing. Huh.
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3707 [22:40:57] <JyZyXEL> i thought that wasn't really what security repository was supposed to be used as?
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3711 [22:41:43] <greycat> Browsers are so flaky and unstable that security updates have to keep leapfrogging to the next supported long-term "stable" (haha) browser release.
3712 [22:42:14] <greycat> At least with firefox-esr, this tracks Mozilla's long-term ESR releases. I don't know how it works in the chrom{e,ium} universe.
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3714 [22:43:15] <JyZyXEL> i guess the upstreams model is just too non-debiany
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3716 [22:43:26] <frikinz> greycat: could be from the creators of webmin :) yes I wondered what a postfix password was also..
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3718 [22:44:03] <JyZyXEL> can't really even file a bugreport since im using backported pulseaudio 7.0 instead of the 5.0 in jessie
3719 [22:44:29] <JyZyXEL> thought i guess i could downgrade back to jessies pulseaudio since my original trouble turned out to actually be a silicon bug
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3726 [22:45:21] <techno2900> Hello, I would like to know how can I create a wifi hotsport and share a VPN connection on this hotspot on debian
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3730 [22:46:13] <techno2900> Thank you in advance
3731 [22:46:27] <jhutchins> !chromebook
3732 [22:46:27] <dpkg> Debian may be installable on some models of Chromebook. Search the wiki: replaced-url
3733 [22:46:36] <jhutchins> !chromebook
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3735 [22:47:00] <jhutchins> Sry.
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3737 [22:47:04] <techno2900> anybody have a answer ?
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3739 [22:47:49] <jhutchins> ,v chromium
3740 [22:47:50] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 53.0.2785.89-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 53.0.2785.143-1~deb8u1; stretch: 53.0.2785.143-1; jessie-security: 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1; sid: 55.0.2883.75-2
3741 [22:48:07] <frikinz> techno2900: hostapd + reading + openvpn + reading and reading..
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3743 [22:48:29] <techno2900> frikinz : I don't understand
3744 [22:48:41] <jhutchins> JyZyXEL: 53 had some serious problems.
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3746 [22:48:50] <JyZyXEL> jhutchins: what problems?
3747 [22:49:01] <JyZyXEL> at least it plays audio correctly :P
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3749 [22:49:15] <JyZyXEL> v55 is a disaster in that regard
3750 [22:49:16] <jhutchins> JyZyXEL: I think all the changes were upstream, but it didn't spend much time in testing due to security being the problem.
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3753 [22:50:04] <jhutchins> JyZyXEL: Certificate transparency was broken among other things. Many mainstream web pages wouldn't load or wouldn't render properly.
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3756 [22:50:53] <jhutchins> JyZyXEL: Upstream recommended that no-one continue to use 53.
3757 [22:51:10] <frikinz> techno2900: some links : replaced-url
3758 [22:51:21] <techno2900> okay thanks :)
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3761 [22:52:06] <JyZyXEL> ill have to test it with jessies pulseaudio tomorrow
3762 [22:52:16] <JyZyXEL> but the v55 definitely does not work with PA 7.0
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3766 [22:53:46] <frikinz> JyZyXEL: curious, what makes you choose chrom* over firefox?
3767 [22:54:20] <JyZyXEL> oh, i only use chromium for things that require either Flash or pure performance
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3769 [22:54:32] <JyZyXEL> and i use it for web-skype
3770 [22:54:59] <jhutchins> JyZyXEL: There's a significant speed improvement over firefox for me.
3771 [22:55:09] <TamaMcGlinn> hmmm, /msg dpkg guidelines doesn't do anything in my irc client (I'm using weechat)
3772 [22:55:13] <jhutchins> JyZyXEL: Especially inital load.
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3774 [22:55:18] <frikinz> I see. I use it when I need js performance yeah
3775 [22:55:22] <JyZyXEL> yes, chromium performs notably better in various aspects
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3778 [22:55:33] <JyZyXEL> though it crashes _a lot_
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3781 [22:55:47] <jhutchins> TamaMcGlinn: Should open a new tab/dialog.
3782 [22:55:53] <JyZyXEL> the "Aw snap!"-sight is all too common
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3784 [22:56:09] <JyZyXEL> plus sometimes you get syslog messages about chromium trying to exceed some memory limits
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3786 [22:56:14] <jhutchins> JyZyXEL: I can't recall it ever crashing on me.
3787 [22:56:25] <JyZyXEL> its probably because of Flash
3788 [22:56:29] <greycat> It's probably his memory limits.
3789 [22:56:36] <jhutchins> JyZyXEL: Are you running it on something other than stable?
3790 [22:56:56] <greycat> "I placed a memory limit, and it sometimes crashes, and oh yeah it says there is a memory limit exceeded"
3791 [22:57:13] <JyZyXEL> well if there is a limit, it is the default limit
3792 [22:57:22] <JyZyXEL> i certainly haven't set any limits
3793 [22:57:24] <greycat> There is no default memory limit for processes in Debian.
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3795 [22:57:46] <JyZyXEL> well for some reason i've gotten some kind of error message about that in syslog numerous times
3796 [22:57:58] <greycat> Does "ulimit -a" on your system show limits where you would not expect them?
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3798 [22:58:22] <greycat> (That won't be a pefect indicator because you might be setting ulimits in .bashrc which would not apply to DE-launched processes, but still.)
3799 [22:58:40] <JyZyXEL> -d: data seg size (kbytes) unlimited
3800 [22:59:01] <JyZyXEL> i suspect that is the one we are interested in?
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3802 [22:59:16] <greycat> More like -v and -m
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3805 [22:59:27] <JyZyXEL> both also unlimited
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3807 [22:59:37] <greycat> Then I don't know. Google your exact error.
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3809 [23:00:01] <JyZyXEL> i can't recall the error anymore
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3812 [23:00:09] <greycat> Find it in the syslog file,
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3814 [23:00:28] <JyZyXEL> i doubt my syslogs go that far back
3815 [23:00:38] <greycat> 16:55 JyZyXEL> though it crashes _a lot_
3816 [23:00:49] <JyZyXEL> not with that message though
3817 [23:01:00] <JyZyXEL> that only occasionally appears
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3819 [23:01:25] <JyZyXEL> the "Aw snap!" however makes almost a daily appearance
3820 [23:01:39] <_bt> hi anyone using testing with openssl-1.1.0c-2 and dovecot / postfix?
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3824 [23:01:59] <_bt> im getting SSL/TLS errors since upgrading and can't seem to fix them
3825 [23:02:07] <greycat> The only problem I ever have with google-chrome (yeah I know, not chromium) is sometimes on startup it hangs and I have to kill one or more randomly chosen google-chrome processes to un-hang it. Then it's fine. I have no idea why it does that.
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3827 [23:02:20] <JyZyXEL> firefox on the other hand has gotten Impressively stable
3828 [23:02:29] <JyZyXEL> man that thing can get up to some serious uptimes these days
3829 [23:02:34] <_bt> Dec 12 20:10:18 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[21610]: warning: TLS library problem: error:1417A0C1:SSL routines:tls_post_process_client_hello:no shared cipher:ssl/statem/statem_srvr.c:1422:
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3832 [23:03:05] <c-c> _bt: so, can you install the cipher
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3834 [23:03:34] <_bt> c-c: can you elaborate? nothing has changed with my configs and its the same message for dovecot and postfix
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3836 [23:03:52] <c-c> _bt: perhaps $ apt-cache search crypt | grep lib
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3838 [23:05:05] <c-c> _bt: I've no idea which cipher you might be missing, perhaps insted try $ apt-cache search crypt | grep tls
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3840 [23:05:42] <frikinz> SSL errors are .. cryptic
3841 [23:05:58] <c-c> IMO thats not a cryptic error
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3844 [23:07:17] <_bt> i don't think ciphers are things that can be "missing"
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3847 [23:07:29] <_bt> that error means the server and client cannot agree on a cipher
3848 [23:07:35] <_bt> question is, why
3849 [23:07:52] <Abbott> I am getting this error: replaced-url
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3851 [23:08:03] <Abbott> Does this mean I have something bad in /etc/apt/sources.list?
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3858 [23:09:02] <Abbott> or something in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
3859 [23:09:04] <c-c> _bt: you don't have to think so, because you can read the source, and learn that you are currently missing a suitable cipher library
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3861 [23:09:32] <drasko> hi all, I ma gerring: fatal error: internal/bio.h: No such file or directory
3862 [23:09:48] <drasko> it is openssl related. Any idea what I am missing?
3863 [23:09:53] <c-c> _bt: another guess based apt-cache search openssl | grep cipher would be to install libghc-cipher-aes-dev
3864 [23:10:02] <c-c> _bt: also, try googling your error message
3865 [23:10:05] <mortal1> howdy folks, I've just gotten my first new laptop in a decade. What's the general conscensous on uefi / secure boot? should i turn it to legacy before i try and install linux?
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3867 [23:10:26] <c-c> Abbott: this is not a ubuntu support channel
3868 [23:10:31] <c-c> !notubuntu
3869 [23:10:38] <c-c> Abbott: anyway, try #ubuntu
3870 [23:10:40] <mortal1> *linux
3871 [23:10:54] <unborn> Abbott: !ubuntu
3872 [23:11:08] <mortal1> did i say anything about ubuntu?
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3874 [23:11:21] <Abbott> c-c: I am using debian
3875 [23:11:28] <c-c> drasko: not enough detail, pastie or gist input and/or commands, and output
3876 [23:11:29] <Abbott> sorry, I didn't clarify
3877 [23:11:51] <mortal1> wow i somewhat misread that chain
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3879 [23:12:26] <c-c> Abbott: well, did you try replaced-url
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3881 [23:13:06] <c-c> mortal1: from what I read on ##linux, theres no "general consensus"
3882 [23:13:12] <unborn> c-c: originally what I saw from Abbott was replaced-url
3883 [23:13:19] <Abbott> I saw that, but I figured it would be worth checking because it seems to pull keys from ubuntu.com, and I didn't know if that was going to break anything
3884 [23:13:40] <Abbott> I will give that a shot thoguh
3885 [23:13:41] <drasko> c-c, # github.com/zubairhamed/canopus
3886 [23:13:42] <drasko> ../../zubairhamed/canopus/dtls.go:12:26: fatal error: internal/bio.h: No such file or directory
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3888 [23:14:17] <bouzu> <drasko>: guess you're missing libssl-dev package
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3890 [23:14:19] <c-c> mortal1: did you try: replaced-url
3891 [23:14:20] <drasko> this line: replaced-url
3892 [23:14:40] <c-c> Abbott: ubuntu.com has nothing to do with debian
3893 [23:14:42] <drasko> bouzu, nope
3894 [23:14:52] <c-c> Abbott: if you want help with ubuntu, go to #ubuntu
3895 [23:15:04] <drasko> bouzu, libssl-dev is already the newest version (1.0.2j-1).
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3897 [23:15:13] <mortal1> c-c: ty
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3903 [23:16:56] <drasko> any idea how to check if libssl-dev headers are on the machine?
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3906 [23:17:05] <drasko> Where should they be installed?
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3908 [23:18:24] <bouzu> <drasko>: dpkg -L libssl-dev | grep bio.h
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3913 [23:20:03] <Abbott> c-c: the link you just sent me uses a command that has ubuntu.com in it. My concern stems from your point that ubuntu doesn't have anything to do with debian, and that the command you sent me has ubuntu.com in it
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3916 [23:20:16] <drasko> bouzu, it says /usr/include/openssl/bio.h
3917 [23:20:17] <Abbott> I don't use an ubuntu machine or have any question related to ubuntu, but your answer did
3918 [23:20:18] <c-c> bouzu: drasko I would type $ dpkg <hit tab three times>--list <type packagename>
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3920 [23:20:30] <Abbott> this error is on a debian machine
3921 [23:20:31] <c-c> Abbott: it does? my bad
3922 [23:20:31] <drasko> but I am missing internal/bio.h
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3929 [23:21:29] <c-c> Abbott: use the 2nd answer in that link! The one for debian
3930 [23:21:36] <c-c> (63)
3931 [23:21:51] <bouzu> <drasko>: they are different files... sorry no idea where this internal/bio.h should come from. the openssl include is one line above. didn't notice before
3932 [23:22:09] <Abbott> okay, I will give that a try. Thank you
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3935 [23:22:46] <c-c> bouzu: drasko that way you can see on the far left, what is the status of the package easily, ii for available+installed
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3937 [23:23:33] <c-c> with dpkg -L you are guessing a little which package the files came from
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3940 [23:24:24] <drasko> well - it should be this one: replaced-url
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3943 [23:25:20] <drasko> apparently openssl 1.1 is needed
3944 [23:25:22] <drasko> replaced-url
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3947 [23:25:53] <drasko> but it is not available in Debian testing
3948 [23:26:03] <TomTomTo1> drasko: file /usr/include/openssl/bio.h
3949 [23:26:18] <c-c> yes, that file exists even in 1.0
3950 [23:26:29] <drasko> TomTomTo1, it is not the same file
3951 [23:26:55] <drasko> internal/bio.h != openssl/bio.h
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3957 [23:27:38] <c-c> wb
3958 [23:27:49] <drasko> thanks
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3962 [23:28:07] <drasko> anyway - I have built openssl 1.1 from the source
3963 [23:28:15] <drasko> and did `sudo make install`
3964 [23:28:26] <drasko> but I guess it still finds 1.0 headers
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3966 [23:29:11] <drasko> how to tell system to use v1.1?
3967 [23:29:17] <c-c> drasko: could you make into a .deb package, and install with dpkg
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3969 [23:30:00] <lethu> hello, I uninstalled the proprietary amd drivers, and after rebooting with the opensource amd drivers, I get to the login screen then when I login it returns to the login screen again with starting the de
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3971 [23:30:18] <lethu> witohut*
3972 [23:30:21] <drasko> c-c, I would if I knew how :)
3973 [23:30:22] <lethu> without*
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3975 [23:31:13] <velix> Sorry for asking in here, but I want to get a second/third view. The old administrator has run an old Dell PowerEdge 2900 server on ESXi with 2 LUNs (Debian hosts): database and webserver. I want to upgrade the system with an SSD and also upgrade the software. Shall I still go for ESXi or shall I go for "bare metal" using Docker? I want to run Nginx and PostgreSQL only. Is virtualization usefull at all here?
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3979 [23:31:58] <c-c> drasko: sorry, I am not sure if you are the developer or just a enduser dev but perhaps this? replaced-url
3980 [23:32:11] <frikinz> drasko: -Lthegoodpath ?
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3983 [23:33:08] <drasko> c-c, yep, let me try
3984 [23:33:09] <c-c> drasko: also, I wonder if you need to update some env variable for your current bash to find the compiled library package, depends where it is, I guess
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3986 [23:34:29] <drasko> c-c, but I dount it will change the thisng - I did make install, and I guess that dpkg will keep the installation paths
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3988 [23:34:51] <drasko> it is just that system finds previous libssl-dev headers first, I think
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3990 [23:35:14] <c-c> drasko: dpkg does not keep track of 'oldschool' make & install -ed libs
3991 [23:35:22] <c-c> neither does apt
3992 [23:35:37] <drasko> sure, I know
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3995 [23:36:12] <drasko> hmm, I do not know what -ed is, I must admit :)
3996 [23:36:30] <bouzu> running ldconfig may help.
3997 [23:36:38] <c-c> drasko: also, I still don't know anything but the github repo for canopus and the error you get from mystery action, so you leave us guessing
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3999 [23:37:01] <c-c> drasko: "maked and installed" == "make & install -ed"
4000 [23:37:25] <c-c> drasko: with that, enough guessing
4001 [23:37:32] <c-c> good luck!
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4003 [23:38:40] <drasko> c-c, I am waitning
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4006 [23:39:11] <drasko> for depkg lock to be free (I did apt-get upgrade, and now it rows in the background ;))
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4014 [23:41:20] <drasko> but while I am waiting just to explain - CoAP uses UDP, and thus needs DTLS. Which is missing in Go, so guys used C bindings with openssl. But apparently with 1.1 is mandatory. And I am using Debian testing, so v1.0 available.
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4018 [23:42:18] <c-c> Useless to explain, since you don't provide a log of input and output via gist or a pastie
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4022 [23:43:29] <drasko> c-c, I have no log - cgo is not very verbose
4023 [23:43:38] <drasko> it gives me ony these two lines I pasted
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4028 [23:44:24] <c-c> drasko: well, I guess guessing is ok so I guess this is yet another openssl library mismatch problem
4029 [23:46:33] <themill> openssl 1.1 is in stretch btw
4030 [23:47:00] <themill> ,v libssl-dev stretch
4031 [23:47:01] <judd> Package: libssl-dev on amd64 -- stretch: 1.1.0c-2
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4037 [23:50:10] <drasko> c-c, I'll let you know, as soon as I can proceed
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4041 [23:51:02] <c-c> themill: do you run jessie?
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4044 [23:52:01] <themill> Mostly. I have a selection of systems running stretch and sid (and I think I've got a couple of etchs and lennys out the back but don't tell anyone)
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4047 [23:52:15] <velix> Anyone with an idea?
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4049 [23:52:46] <c-c> themill: do you get smoke from adding stretch repos, and installing libssl-dev 1.1.0c-2 ?
4050 [23:53:03] <themill> on jessie? that's not likely to be a good plan
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4053 [23:53:59] <themill> If you don't know what you're doing, fiddling about with libraries isn't a good idea. Nor is fiddling about with crypto. Fiddling about with crypto libraries is clearly safe, however.
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4055 [23:55:30] <c-c> themill: the idea was not to "fiddle", but to have both stables 1.0.1?? and stretch's 1.1.0C-2?? and see how it smokes or not
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4057 [23:58:54] <themill> They might be coinstallable. You don't magically get existing applications using the newer library when you do this though
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