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26 [00:05:33] <ryouma> ohemdevin: that might be better, but i would still want it in a debian repo or at least sandboxed in some way
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49 [00:19:10] <echosystm> i'm making OS images using debootstrap
50 [00:19:20] <echosystm> everything works fine, except it always fails on first boot
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52 [00:19:37] <echosystm> i get all kinds of errors and it never reaches login
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54 [00:19:52] <echosystm> but if i turn it off and turn it back on again (lel) it works
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58 [00:20:16] <echosystm> my guess is there's a bunch of folders/files that are missing and get created on first boot
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60 [00:20:20] <echosystm> but how can i fix this?
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64 [00:22:15] <neilthereildeil> can someone please help me setup netowrking in my debian VM?
65 [00:22:22] <neilthereildeil> ifconfig shows eth0
66 [00:22:35] <neilthereildeil> and i see sent and recieved bytes are non-0
67 [00:22:43] <neilthereildeil> but i cannot ping gateway
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77 [00:24:18] <sweettea> is there a bridge or somesuch to the vm network?
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101 [00:30:29] <neilthereildeil> yea
102 [00:30:42] <neilthereildeil> other VMs on the same bridge can see the network
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106 [00:31:27] <neilthereildeil> i see RX/TX bytes are non zero in ifconfig
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118 [00:34:34] <neilthereildeil> how else can i troubleshoot this?
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122 [00:35:33] <jhutchins> neilthereildeil: Compare what you've set up for the debian VM with what's set up for the ones that work.
123 [00:35:55] <neilthereildeil> is this applicable for debian?
124 [00:35:56] <neilthereildeil> replaced-url
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126 [00:36:28] <neilthereildeil> the "alias eth0 tulip" line
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134 [00:39:15] <jhutchins> neilthereildeil: What's your VM Host and hypervisor?
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137 [00:40:48] <neilthereildeil> ohh wait nm. gotit. the IP i was pinging to test doesnt respond to pings!
138 [00:40:51] <latemus> debian wont install mai ruby gem, tfw you gais-
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140 [00:40:59] <latemus> halp replaced-url
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150 [00:47:13] <winsen> does anyone know why I can't install package for skype :replaced-url
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152 [00:50:17] <zykotick9> winsen: see "/msg dpkg skype" for details (.. why this can't be a #debian issue, it's not a debian package)
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156 [00:51:41] <winsen> zykotick9: bash: /msg: No such file or directory
157 [00:51:55] <zykotick9> in irc
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161 [00:53:45] <zykotick9> winsen: did you get the PM (private message) from dpkg about skype?
162 [00:53:57] <zykotick9> !skype
163 [00:53:57] <dpkg> Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> service and application owned by Microsoft. Debian cannot distribute the application due to its license. See replaced-url
164 [00:54:03] <winsen> zykotick9: no I don't
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166 [00:54:09] <zykotick9> ^
167 [00:55:00] <winsen> zykotick9: thanks. I'll see
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174 [00:56:59] <zykotick9> !skype amd64
175 [00:57:00] <dpkg> From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, installing Skype on amd64 requires you to make use of <multi-arch>. «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update && wget -O skype-install.deb replaced-url
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184 [00:59:24] <winsen> zykotick9: but I am using Debian8
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230 [01:11:03] <zykotick9> winsen: i'm sure the mult-arch stuff still applies! thus the "onwards" in the factoid... <- _if_ you are on amd64/x86_64 "uname -a" would show you (vs i686 i think?)
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234 [01:13:44] <zykotick9> ^ oh if you see anything PAE that's 32bit as well!
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261 [01:28:18] <winsen> zykotick9: replaced-url
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566 [04:03:32] <N9NU> are all 3 ISO DVD's full of apps?
567 [04:03:39] <N9NU> no src code i mean
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584 [04:08:15] <dvs> correct
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694 [04:48:19] <yokisuci> :/
695 [04:48:44] <AlexLikeRock> hi awal1 o/
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699 [04:49:21] <yokisuci> AlexLikeRock: huh?
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701 [04:49:42] <AlexLikeRock> awal1, its my friend :-D
702 [04:50:02] <yokisuci> AlexLikeRock: Oh i missed there was a person called awal1 here ^^
703 [04:50:37] <xynta> 0_o
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708 [04:52:06] <cpu__> Hi, I'm from Brazil, is there a Brazilian here?
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710 [04:52:16] <missmbob> !br
711 [04:52:16] <dpkg> Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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713 [04:53:12] <cpu__> ok, sorry
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716 [04:54:22] <l4m8d4> On my system, I have some packages that nothing depends on, that are automatically installed and still, they are not getting removed by apt autoremove
717 [04:54:37] <l4m8d4> What is going on? I thought apt autoremove was intended for that purpose?
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719 [04:55:22] <missmbob> !deborphan
720 [04:55:23] <dpkg> deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. replaced-url
721 [04:55:24] <awal1> l4m8d4: check why they are there via aptitude why pkgname
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723 [04:56:01] <awal1> also use aptitude purge ~o
724 [04:56:21] <awal1> but check cloesly the output (s)
725 [04:57:19] <awal1> deborphan can be silly sometimes/if you don't know what you're doing :P
726 [04:57:45] <awal1> with it, you may end removing all your system :D
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730 [04:58:50] <themill> l4m8d4: autoremove will only remove packages that are "automatically installed" and that's unrelated to "nothing depends on it". Also, Recommends and Suggests will keep packages installed.
731 [04:59:53] <n4dir> i may yet have to experience anything even close to " remove all your system" when using deborphan (and i usually use deboprhan --guess-all too)
732 [05:00:11] <l4m8d4> themill: That's what I was talking about, sorry. These packages are both automatically installed AND nothing depends on it
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734 [05:00:44] <l4m8d4> themill: But recommends and suggests could be the issue here I guess
735 [05:00:44] <themill> l4m8d4: You're only looking at Depends relationships not Recommends or Suggests.
736 [05:00:49] <themill> yep
737 [05:00:54] <yokisuci> n4dir: well, be happy for that. I've manage to remove waaaay to much with deborphan on a ubuntu system. but that was like atleast 5-7 years ago.
738 [05:00:57] <awal1> deborphan is fine "if you know what you do "
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742 [05:01:23] <yokisuci> awal1: exacly. if you don't, you should be careful with it or you can end up with a broken system like i did ^^
743 [05:01:50] <n4dir> depends what you consider a broken system.
744 [05:02:22] <awal1> I don't think deborphan is a recommended tool for non experienced users
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747 [05:02:40] <yokisuci> n4dir: a system that doesn't start at all because i somehow managed to remove way to much back then.
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749 [05:03:01] <themill> l4m8d4: -o APT::AutoRemove::RecommendsImportant=False -o APT::AutoRemove::SuggetsImportant=False ← check and double check what it is planning
750 [05:03:03] <n4dir> that is a different statement than removing all of your system"
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753 [05:03:52] <yokisuci> >.<
754 [05:03:55] <n4dir> stuff you didn't want to gets removed? so? reinstall it. duh.
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756 [05:05:10] <l4m8d4> themill: Okay. With these options it wants to delete a LOT of packages
757 [05:05:20] <awal1> n4dir: if just you think a little bit...how can you remove all your system? that's impossible if it's in use
758 [05:05:30] <yokisuci> n4dir: Well that's easier said then done with pretty much didn't start. I probably wouldn't have any problem with it now days, but because of that I, like awall, wouldn't recommend it to someone that doesn't know what he's doing or atleast be careful with it.
759 [05:05:48] <awal1> all system is just a metaphore, remove a lot of stuff
760 [05:06:30] <themill> l4m8d4: "yay"
761 [05:07:23] * yokisuci wants to try sudo rm -r /* someday... o:)
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764 [05:08:18] <l4m8d4> themill: What do these options stand for exactly? Because it wants to remove some stuff that seems important, like linux-headers-amd64, and I think my graphics driver needs tht
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774 [05:13:30] <l4m8d4> themill: Does it just ignore suggests and recommends then?
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787 [05:19:23] <Stiffler> hey guys
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789 [05:19:48] <AlexLikeRock> hi Stiffler
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791 [05:19:56] <Stiffler> mine sources.list i think is fcked as i cant install deluge due to unmet dependencies
792 [05:19:59] <Stiffler> anyhelp
793 [05:20:04] <Stiffler> using stretch
794 [05:20:05] <somiaj> !bat
795 [05:20:05] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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798 [05:20:20] <somiaj> also you should be asking on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
799 [05:20:27] <Stiffler> not going their
800 [05:20:32] <Stiffler> i had bad exp their
801 [05:20:42] <missmbob> you've had some here too. hard to forget you
802 [05:20:49] <AlexLikeRock> Stiffler, unistall, and install TRANSSMISION
803 [05:20:53] <Stiffler> :)
804 [05:21:05] <Stiffler> i uninstall ed it
805 [05:21:12] <Stiffler> qbittorent installed
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807 [05:21:17] <Stiffler> i want deluge too
808 [05:21:22] <n4dir> bad expriences is what is asked for (me runs for his pitchfork)
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812 [05:22:25] <yokisuci> Stiffler: Why so many torrent clients? :S
813 [05:23:02] <Stiffler> replaced-url
814 [05:23:02] <Stiffler> well i had to like normal cleint and abnormal one
815 [05:23:15] <yokisuci> imo transmission is the easiest gtk client...and transmission-cli is pretty easy to handle as a terminal client.
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817 [05:23:36] <Stiffler> now when going into synaptic ite tell me unmet dependencies
818 [05:23:49] <Stiffler> as deluge is installed without libtorrent
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820 [05:24:06] <missmbob> at least you're keeping up your tradition of not answering questions. this will go well.
821 [05:24:12] <AlexLikeRock> Coment line 8 and 9
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823 [05:24:22] <Stiffler> trans has almost no to none options
824 [05:24:43] <Stiffler> what i didnt answer?
825 [05:24:50] <AlexLikeRock> then apt-get update
826 [05:24:55] <yokisuci> Stiffler: install the libtorrent package if you're having issues with deluge. Hasn't used deluge for a while, but from what i remember I hade to install more than the deluge package.
827 [05:24:55] <Stiffler> did
828 [05:25:07] <Stiffler> no libtorrent packaes in apt
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830 [05:25:31] <Stiffler> synaptic show unmet dep
831 [05:25:42] <Stiffler> while only non standalone installs in system
832 [05:25:45] <Stiffler> weird..
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837 [05:26:10] <yokisuci> Stiffler: sudo apt-get intall python-libtorrent
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840 [05:26:33] <somiaj> Stiffler: the bot asked you to produce the output of some info and put it at paste.debian.net, you should start there.
841 [05:26:37] <yokisuci> Stiffler: ....or sudo apt-gt install deluge deluge-gtk
842 [05:26:41] <yokisuci> Stiffler: that should do it
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844 [05:26:48] <Stiffler> i am online again
845 [05:26:52] <Stiffler> on it*
846 [05:27:10] <yokisuci> =/
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849 [05:29:25] <awal1> Stiffler, that's you again with stretch issues?
850 [05:29:29] <awal1> :D
851 [05:29:42] <AlexLikeRock> hahaha
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853 [05:29:49] <cheapie> Grr, the new maintainer for hexchat decided to add some random crypto nonsense to the "recommends".
854 [05:29:58] <AlexLikeRock> awal1, they are a frecuently customer ?
855 [05:29:59] * cheapie uninstalls those packages
856 [05:30:00] <yokisuci> awall XD
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860 [05:30:45] <awal1> Stiffler: consider running stable (jessie) and stretch/sid in a VM, until you get more familiar with it
861 [05:30:57] <wee> dont boot u jack ass
862 [05:31:01] <wee> its not politte
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867 [05:32:16] <wee> hmm
868 [05:32:34] <themill> wee: do you have a Debian user support question we can help you with?
869 [05:32:38] <yokisuci> cheapie: I can't see any new recocommended packages when checking the debian site and the hexchat package. :S how anoying anyway. don't like when some packages alot of extra recommended packages that u don't need at all.
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873 [05:32:55] <cheapie> yokisuci: Might just be in sid (and maybe stretch) so far.
874 [05:33:02] <wee> some 1 just booted me
875 [05:33:19] <wee> i dont know wat that retard as problem with
876 [05:33:21] <yokisuci> cheapie: I checked booth sid and stretch :/ or maybe it's just me that's just tiered ^^
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878 [05:34:03] <cheapie> yokisuci: Looks like it's only in sid so far. "rec: hexchat-otr" is the part that I have a problem with.
879 [05:34:27] <cheapie> Yes, I can manually choose to not install it, but it's a rather dumb default.
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881 [05:35:04] <themill> wee: incorrect. Can I suggest you just stick to Debian user support?
882 [05:35:14] <yokisuci> cheapie: Oh missed that one. Why is it? :/ There's some plugin packages in the recommended packages too.
883 [05:35:25] <wee> themill
884 [05:35:31] <wee> i just got booted
885 [05:35:36] <wee> from here
886 [05:35:37] <themill> wee: incorrect. Can I suggest you just stick to Debian user support?
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889 [05:36:09] <cheapie> yokisuci: The plugins that were already there were pretty pointless already.
890 [05:37:47] <cheapie> Out of the 6 (now 7) that are installed by default, I use one.
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892 [05:39:18] <yokisuci> cheapie: ^^ I don't use hexchat at all, but I prefer installing plugins on my own in most cases ^^
893 [05:39:55] <yokisuci> anyway, time 4 me to try to get some sleep. nighty
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915 [05:57:32] <n4dir> mhhh, trying to look at : replaced-url
916 [05:57:53] <n4dir> Forbidden You don't have permission to access /releases/stable/installmanual on this server.
917 [05:57:53] <n4dir> Server unable to read htaccess file, denying access to be safe
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919 [05:58:55] <missmbob> weird. works here
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922 [05:59:39] <n4dir> indeed weird. but as long it's only me: no problem
923 [05:59:49] <AlexLikeRock> working fine hir
924 [05:59:53] <n4dir> i assume it would be a general problem
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926 [06:00:15] <missmbob> n4dir: there is #debian-replaced-url
927 [06:00:15] <AlexLikeRock> n4dir, what manual you need ?
928 [06:00:49] <AlexLikeRock> n4dir, this page are HTTPS
929 [06:00:57] <AlexLikeRock> check you DATE, time
930 [06:01:03] <n4dir> missmbob: i would, if it ws a general problem.
931 [06:01:06] <AlexLikeRock> MM/DD/YYYY
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933 [06:01:23] <AlexLikeRock> HH:MM
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939 [06:02:16] <missmbob> that would be a different error
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942 [06:04:16] <n4dir> didn't run in that problem, and can access all other sites from debian.org too. lol
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945 [06:05:28] <n4dir> nah, that was wrong. there are more i get a forbid.
946 [06:06:25] <missmbob> n4dir: are you using tor? someone was complaining about accessing the wiki via tor, but that was with only certain exit nodes.
947 [06:06:35] <n4dir> no tor usage.
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950 [06:07:56] <n4dir> adblock, noscript, cookiemonster, can't see how they should cause such a problem (enabled cookies and scripts anyway, but sure enough it didn't help)
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952 [06:10:04] <themill> n4dir: it'd be helpful to know which replaced-url
953 [06:10:49] <n4dir> themill: "EU view"
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955 [06:11:38] <n4dir> well: lynx opens it, so it must be a firefox setting (?)
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985 [06:15:10] <n4dir> started firefox with a new profile , opens the page too. So i guess anything is fine, just a weird confguration i did (not that i did much ... )
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1025 [06:16:04] <themill> n4dir: that's just weird...
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1058 [06:16:31] <n4dir> themill: it is. Sorry for the noise. Without further testing i assumed it would be a general problem.
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1066 [06:17:12] <themill> n4dir: apparently it is a permissions problem on one of the servers and DSA are working on it.
1067 [06:17:32] <themill> You probably just got a different mirror with your new profile
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1070 [06:17:45] <n4dir> ah, so it really is a general problem ?
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1075 [06:18:16] <themill> "General" in the sense of a real problem on one of the replaced-url
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1082 [06:19:30] <n4dir> ok. thanks for clarification (on the default profile it works too, after restarting, which clears the cache)
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1309 [08:18:58] <jasonwhite> Hi, I have a question, hope some guru could help me out :) Last time I used Debian was circa Debian 7.1. At that time, I still need to follow : replaced-url
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1351 [08:39:56] <rmrfchik> hi. after update, aptitude stuck in "loading cache" forever
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1353 [08:39:59] <rmrfchik> any ideas?
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1471 [09:32:41] <jolt> full disk?
1472 [09:32:48] <jolt> apt-get clean and try again?
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1510 [09:51:36] <rafalcpp> That feeling when Ubuntu released kernel with critical kernel fix, and Debian has not yet
1511 [09:52:02] <rafalcpp> replaced-url
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1541 [10:03:24] <missmbob> rafalcpp: you realize it cant be exploited in debian with debian's default settings, right? there's no hurry
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1545 [10:04:58] <rafalcpp> missmbob: I use programs that do CAP_NET_RAW
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1547 [10:05:12] <rafalcpp> it's somewhat popular in some VPNs
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1550 [10:07:09] <rafalcpp> it's somewhat popular in some VPNs
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1554 [10:08:54] <jelly> rafalcpp: do you also use user namespaces?
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1556 [10:09:18] <jelly> rafalcpp: any kind of containers?
1557 [10:09:31] <jelly> if not, do not panic
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1566 [10:12:34] <rafalcpp> jelly: one one server I use this in namespace.
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1569 [10:13:24] <rafalcpp> I imagine then docker users would be affected? That run VPNs/meshnet. Hah that's exactly what some group of developers I work with is doing
1570 [10:13:31] <rafalcpp> and lxc
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1578 [10:19:11] <FinalX> hum, that the kernel on one distro is affected does not mean it is on another. there's no new ubuntu kernel for 16.04 either, which is also based on jessie.
1579 [10:19:41] <FinalX> and last time it was the other way around. critical kernel update for debian and still nothing for ubuntu because they weren't affected.
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1582 [10:21:14] <rafalcpp> FinalX: debian kernel it's affected, as written in the link above (even though default settings make
1583 [10:21:24] <rafalcpp> make it not likelly to exploit from user on default settings)
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1585 [10:23:02] <FinalX> in that case, we'll just have to wait
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1588 [10:23:41] <jelly> rafalcpp: yes, docker and lxc use user ns to do their work. However unprivileged user ns have been known to have design issues, there are probably dozens of issues like this one just waiting to be found
1589 [10:23:42] <FinalX> although it looks like it was assigned in october? that seems indeed a bit long
1590 [10:24:22] <jelly> rafalcpp: you should not rely on such container solutions for security
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1592 [10:24:38] <jelly> maybe in 5 years from now
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1597 [10:27:05] <rafalcpp> jelly: well the containers are also for testing to have separated net stack
1598 [10:27:15] <rafalcpp> and for gitian. and other things
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1604 [10:28:34] <rafalcpp> jelly: I mean, this is one thing user namespace do not provide proper isolation, and another that they allow to gain root. I hope it will be quite fastly fixed
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1610 [10:31:24] <jelly> don't hope. If you have to use them, this isn't the first and won't be the last such issue. If you don't have to use them, disable the kernel tunable and move on with your life
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1634 [10:44:31] <alexdergrosse> hi... where to find debian 8 LTS for powerpc?
1635 [10:45:09] <missmbob> alexdergrosse: replaced-url
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1637 [10:46:41] <alexdergrosse> is this lts?
1638 [10:46:42] <missmbob> alexdergrosse: fyi LTS doesnt cover powerpc
1639 [10:46:52] <alexdergrosse> ok
1640 [10:47:16] <missmbob> alexdergrosse: replaced-url
1641 [10:48:05] <alexdergrosse> is it possible install debian 8.6 powerpc at server?
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1643 [10:48:39] <missmbob> yes. that's what the cdimage link i gave you is for
1644 [10:49:11] <alexdergrosse> cool. thank you very match
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1670 [11:02:43] <debian350> Hello, I have .sh file and execute him with command.sh. But, I want to save log of this files. If I run command.sh > log.txt, I don't have errors. Can you help me ?
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1679 [11:04:33] <_Nox> Good morning beautiful people
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1681 [11:05:18] <flvzcsh50> Greetings. :-]
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1684 [11:05:44] <_Nox> ;-)
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1686 [11:05:50] <ChrisH> debian350: ./command > log.txt 2>&1
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1688 [11:06:30] <debian350> Thank you !
1689 [11:06:35] <flvzcsh50> wouldn't that just run it in background without giving output..? (sry I'm newb, may be wrong..)
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1692 [11:06:56] <fiveflowerzz> Hi! One day, when I was asking about "nohup ..." someone was saying there's something better, that allows to come back after disconnect
1693 [11:07:00] <fiveflowerzz> what is it?
1694 [11:07:01] <flvzcsh50> also, I thought it was two ">>" rather than one.. like "command.sh >> log.txt" but guess i was wrong?
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1697 [11:07:40] <missmbob> flvzcsh50: >> is append (ie, if the file already exists and you want to add to the end of it
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1699 [11:07:54] <flvzcsh50> would it not appear in some file among ones at /var/log , ifnot how would a (custom made) script make calls to get it logged into any of those files, if at all possible? (and to have a custom error put there)
1700 [11:08:01] <missmbob> > just overwrites the file if it already exists
1701 [11:08:08] <flvzcsh50> missmbob: ooh.. oh,okay.. whew, good to know! thanks
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1705 [11:09:16] <missmbob> flvzcsh50: and no, random custom scripts dont just show up in /var/log
1706 [11:09:43] <dcpc007> hi all, why is there no (or near no) doc on sssd install/config for ldap client ?
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1710 [11:10:22] <dcpc007> i have very hrd time to try find real advice on choosing between sssd vs nslcd+nscd for user auth
1711 [11:10:54] <fiveflowerzz> could it be "screen" ?
1712 [11:10:57] <missmbob> dcpc007: my default is go with abrotman. he's not usually wrong
1713 [11:11:04] <ChrisH> flvzcsh50: for jobs running while you disconnect, try screen or tmux
1714 [11:11:46] <missmbob> or just run those scripts via cronjob
1715 [11:11:47] <flvzcsh50> ChrisH: yeah thanks I already know about and often use screen, I like it alot!:) Never heard of tmux.. hmh..interesting, may check that out too. Thnx!
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1717 [11:12:37] <dcpc007> yes, i'm serfching info o nslcd this morning, because, it seems that nslcd don't do cache, and it's better to add cache
1718 [11:12:45] <fiveflowerzz> if I use "screen", can I logout from SSH
1719 [11:12:57] <fiveflowerzz> come again 2 hours later, and reconnect to the screen, and it will still be running?
1720 [11:13:06] <missmbob> fiveflowerzz: you can detach, not log out. the whole point of screen is to leave the session running.
1721 [11:13:17] <missmbob> fiveflowerzz: yes, you can come back and reconnect
1722 [11:13:24] <teraflops> flvzcsh50: replaced-url
1723 [11:14:01] <fiveflowerzz> missmbob: i mean: can i detach, logout from the ssh (i'm connecting a distant server) , then reconnect the distant server 2 hours later, and reconnect screen?
1724 [11:14:17] <missmbob> fiveflowerzz: yep. and whatever was running in screen will still be there
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1732 [11:18:08] <fiveflowerzz> missmbob: waw that's really great... I should have used than since years... instead of running nohup ... &
1733 [11:18:17] <fiveflowerzz> *that
1734 [11:18:46] <flvzcsh50> teraflops: thanks, will check it!
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1737 [11:19:07] <missmbob> fiveflowerzz: i like using screenie. it's a wrapper for screen. makes it easy to name sessions, etc, so even if you have several it's easy to see which one you need to reconnect to
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1739 [11:19:36] <fiveflowerzz> very cool
1740 [11:19:48] <fiveflowerzz> so i never have to "tail -f nohup.out"
1741 [11:20:01] <fiveflowerzz> anymore... or tmux even better, or nearly the smae?
1742 [11:20:16] <fiveflowerzz> *is tmux
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1745 [11:20:40] <missmbob> their main use is the same. tmux does some tricky things with windows. i never cared much for it and stuck with screen
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1749 [11:21:29] <fiveflowerzz> cool. with that it seems that I could even avoid demonizing things. just start a new screen, run the thing, detach, and that's it... no more deaemon needed?
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1751 [11:22:09] <missmbob> you could. not saying you should. consider your options for what you need
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1753 [11:22:27] <ChrisH> fiveflowerzz: that does not sound like a good idea. lean about writung systemd unit files
1754 [11:22:37] <fiveflowerzz> ChrisH: I already do
1755 [11:22:50] <fiveflowerzz> but for small things it seems now that screen would be easier
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1763 [11:25:06] <teraflops> fiveflowerzz: most people does tmux these days anyway try both answer read comparisons like replaced-url
1764 [11:25:19] <teraflops> sorry for the ugly url...
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1767 [11:25:48] <teraflops> silly phone I cannot control it
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1771 [11:27:54] <fiveflowerzz> I'll read that, thanks!
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1795 [11:41:56] <dcpc007> is it really needed to add nscd with nslcd to add a caching ?
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1797 [11:43:03] <dcpc007> for user logging i think there will not be an heavy load, and appli like tomcat points directly on the Windows AD for user login => only admin and dev logs on the servers
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1836 [12:07:30] <QUESTION> people. WHERE and which type of link can i use to download debian? i have had it with ubuntu and its crashes, but i do not understand which of the MASSIVE amount of links and type of debian i should install, any help
1837 [12:07:33] <QUESTION> ?
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1842 [12:08:16] <missmbob> QUESTION: amd64?
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1844 [12:08:30] <QUESTION> missmbob: yes
1845 [12:08:35] <missmbob> QUESTION: replaced-url
1846 [12:08:39] <TomTomTo1> clicking on "download debian" in the top right corner on replaced-url
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1848 [12:08:58] <QUESTION> missmbob: thank you
1849 [12:09:36] <QUESTION> thanks people
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1855 [12:11:25] <QUESTION> what is the difference between network and full instllation?
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1858 [12:12:14] <TomTomTo1> the number of packages it has included in case you don't have a working connection during installation.
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1860 [12:12:18] <QUESTION> and can i just boot it from a USB to start the instllation?
1861 [12:12:28] <QUESTION> TomTomTo1: hmm
1862 [12:12:38] <QUESTION> TomTomTo1: but the end result is the same?
1863 [12:12:44] <missmbob> if you make the usb correctly. how do you plan on copying the iso to the usb?
1864 [12:12:51] <TomTomTo1> replaced-url
1865 [12:12:58] <TomTomTo1> QUESTION: yes
1866 [12:13:26] <QUESTION> missmbob: ubuntu has a program that prepares a linux iso for usb booting
1867 [12:13:31] <missmbob> dont use it
1868 [12:13:37] <missmbob> read the link TomTomTo1 gave you
1869 [12:13:51] <missmbob> those stupid programs are known to break debian's hybrid iso's
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1872 [12:15:03] <QUESTION> missmbob: you know i have never been able to finish a debian instllation
1873 [12:15:12] <missmbob> QUESTION: that's probably why
1874 [12:15:26] <missmbob> QUESTION: use cp like the doc says
1875 [12:16:06] <QUESTION> missmbob: no i mean it is complicated, i am used to the ease of ubuntu.
1876 [12:16:14] <QUESTION> i hope i understand it this time
1877 [12:17:21] <themill> You hit enter 11 times. It's not complicated.
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1879 [12:18:14] <QUESTION> themill it asks for a server url at some point, something to do with sudo and not getting sudo, i don't remember, but i remember it asked for complicated things, i am not an advanced user
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1884 [12:19:23] <TomTomTo1> it asks you for a proxy setting, which you can skip if you don't use one and it asks you for a mirror, which you can select from a list, ordered by country codes.
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1886 [12:19:30] <themill> As I said, you hit enter 11 times.
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1889 [12:20:00] <themill> (you might need a right arrow in there once to confirm formatting the disk)
1890 [12:20:37] <QUESTION> themill: i will keep that in mind :-)
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1892 [12:20:41] <man_of> ok,now I go with that option
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1986 [12:55:04] <synbit> Is there a way to generate a memory dump for a pid (apache or nginx or other) in order to see what values are cached at any point in time? What tools should I be looking at?
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2030 [13:01:37] <hspcd> Running a Debian 8.5 laptop and every now and then the display gets hosed. It's like looking at watercolor art, where the colors are all wrong and text isn't rendered sharply. Any ideas what could be causing this?
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2032 [13:02:20] <themill> LSD?
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2034 [13:03:16] <Ticho_> hardware overheating? some manufacturing defect?
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2036 [13:03:27] <hspcd> Maybe it snagged some LSD while I was sleeping...
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2041 [13:03:54] <hspcd> If it was a hardware issue I think this would happen all the time.
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2054 [13:07:06] <iflema> synbit: hardcore... im thinking there is probably a billion ways... Im also thinking if you can read the dump... you can find the apps...
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2058 [13:09:37] <hspcd> Here is a screenshot to show you the colors of my screen and how hosed up it is. replaced-url
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2064 [13:16:49] <missmbob> that's hosed up? looks fine to me
2065 [13:17:29] <missmbob> looks like you might be using redshift but that's about it
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2073 [13:21:03] <ws2k3> i have 6 nics in my system 2 onboard 4 external. how can i find out which eth is which device?
2074 [13:21:20] <missmbob> redshift makes sense since you say sometimes it's "normal"
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2078 [13:22:02] <ws2k3> i checked my /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and it shows me 4 x igb and 2 x e1000e what does this mean?
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2080 [13:24:29] <synbit> iflema: I have generated a dump using gdb... Not sure how to read it now.
2081 [13:25:11] <ws2k3> synbit gdb path/to/the/binary path/to/the/core
2082 [13:25:19] <jelly> ws2k3: the only 100% sure way is to bring all interfaces up, then connect and disconnect them to a working network equipment one at a time and not which link goes up and down
2083 [13:25:34] <jelly> note*
2084 [13:25:45] <ws2k3> jelly yeah i already tryed that and i discovered that it does not much sense
2085 [13:25:59] <iflema> synbit: process memory is not exactly static. What are you really trying to do? learn machine code?
2086 [13:25:59] <jelly> it won't necessarily make a lot of sense, yes
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2088 [13:26:10] <ws2k3> cause onboard nic0 is eth0 onboard nic1 is eth2 for example
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2090 [13:26:34] <ws2k3> jelly and this machine is going to be a load balacer so i need to make sure i get this right
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2092 [13:26:39] <jelly> ws2k3: you can rename them via 70-persistent-net.rules and reboot if you want to
2093 [13:26:48] <bezaban> ws2k3: also labelmaker to the rescue!
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2095 [13:27:10] <ws2k3> bezaban yeah good point and i will but then i first need to get the order right
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2099 [13:27:48] <synbit> iflema: I have an issue where I use nginx with a proxy_pass $upstream_url. the problem is that $upstream_url can and it does change randomly. I think the problem is solved like so: replaced-url
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2101 [13:28:20] <synbit> but I would like to see what is really happening by generating a memory dump and then analysing it
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2103 [13:28:59] <ws2k3> jelly then what is the difference between igb and e1000e ?
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2105 [13:29:32] <ws2k3> jelly cause in my 70-=persistent-net.rules i see for example # PCI device 0x8086:0x1521 (igb) and # PCI device 0x8086:0x10d3 (e1000e)
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2107 [13:30:13] <vvuja> ws2k3, first of all igb and e1000e are two different makers of the same bandwith type NIC (1 gigabit/s)
2108 [13:30:20] <vvuja> igb is Intel Gigabit
2109 [13:30:25] <vvuja> and e1000e is someone else
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2111 [13:30:44] <vvuja> also in your file you can see labels of ethernet interfaces as they are now
2112 [13:30:49] <vvuja> and you can use them like that
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2115 [13:31:13] <missmbob> umm...e1000e is intel
2116 [13:31:15] <vvuja> if you don't need specific rule that igb's need to be eth0, eth1 eth2 eth3
2117 [13:31:21] <vvuja> igb is also intel
2118 [13:31:23] <vvuja> I think
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2120 [13:31:37] <missmbob> yes it is
2121 [13:32:10] <vvuja> so if you want ws2k3 to use e1000e which are onboard I can guess then see what is the label of them and do
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2123 [13:32:22] <vvuja> ifconfig ethX ip_address netmask up
2124 [13:32:28] <vvuja> then test it
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2126 [13:32:43] <jelly> ws2k3: pci-ids are irrelevant. You can map MAC addresses to eth* names to your liking, and udev will rename them at boot time
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2128 [13:33:06] <synbit> iflema: So generating a memory dump using gdb and then using a tool like MAT (replaced-url
2129 [13:33:20] <afidegnum> hello, is it possible to create a bootable disk into my /home folder? which to be use for VM ? here is my current structure replaced-url
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2131 [13:33:36] <vvuja> and write network file for bringing interfaces at boot
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2133 [13:34:53] <vvuja> /etc/network/interfaces
2134 [13:35:06] <iflema> synbit: source code for nginx? Man page even...
2135 [13:35:13] <vvuja> that file need to be written correctly so you can bring interfaces at boot
2136 [13:35:41] <vvuja> if you don't need to change order of eth naming leave it as it is just check in 70-persistant-net-rules which are labels
2137 [13:35:45] <vvuja> and use them as such
2138 [13:35:55] <vvuja> test first with ifconfig and ethtool
2139 [13:36:07] <vvuja> then write /etc/network/interfaces
2140 [13:36:09] <vvuja> that is all to it
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2142 [13:37:15] <afidegnum> any insight ?
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2170 [13:51:22] <abrotman> dcpc007: you know they do different things, right?
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2174 [13:52:08] <dcpc007> yes nslcd only manay user/group info with ldap, and nscd provies cache for nss map
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2180 [13:52:56] <dcpc007> but i'm thinking as on serveur login console there will be very few activity, maybe i'll don't need a cache
2181 [13:53:04] <abrotman> dcpc007: in my environment (where we use ldap for group stuff), we use nslcd and nscd
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2183 [13:53:33] <dcpc007> and cache can add some complexity or maintenance (i remember how often i had to use the nscd -i hosts in a precedent job :) )
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2189 [13:57:37] <dcpc007> ha, after many searches, i don't know what is the maturity of sssd in debian (or other OS), but even if there is full packages and tools on debian repo, there is still no officiel doc (and near nothing) on how to install and configure sssd for debian
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2194 [13:58:53] <dcpc007> anther precedent admin here let me a doc on it's configuration tested for sssd on Centos 6 user stations that works, seems simple and clear
2195 [13:59:39] <dcpc007> but if i don't find things validated by debian on this sensible subject (and that i don't master), i'll go for nslcd and see nscd maybe later
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2197 [13:59:47] <synbit> iflema: OK I think I get your point... Basically as a first step I should try enabling debug logging. :)
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2212 [14:05:20] <abrotman> looks like a good doc
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2227 [14:13:37] <julius> is great and all that someone took the time to pack up tomcat8 for debian, but they fucked up the installation. its not useable from eclipse anymore
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2231 [14:16:11] <julius> why not just unpack the tomcat install to one dir...it just works
2232 [14:16:36] <themill> dpkg: tell julius about reportbug
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2256 [14:33:14] <ws2k3> is it possible to change driver from igb to e1000e? for a nic?
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2268 [14:37:04] <jelly> ws2k3: in general no, you can't change drivers like that
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2279 [14:41:22] <ws2k3> jelly cause in my other loadbalacer it uses igb for onboard and e1000e for the pci-e nic
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2294 [14:48:07] <jelly> ws2k3: with the exact same hardware?
2295 [14:48:20] <jelly> and same OS release?
2296 [14:48:29] <ws2k3> jelly no only the same OS and same NIC mobo is different
2297 [14:48:40] <jelly> well then
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2312 [14:56:50] <jomofcw> Hello !
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2314 [14:57:14] <jomofcw> A "simple" question : can I empty, safely, the /var/cache directory, please ?
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2321 [14:59:03] <missmbob> jomofcw: no
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2325 [15:00:27] <themill> jomofcw: there shouldn't be anything there that can't be regenerated but it might take a lot of time/effort/bandwidth to do so.
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2334 [15:04:29] <abrotman> jomofcw: there are subdirectories in there that can be safely deleted, but you sohuld probably ask if you don't already knokw
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2336 [15:04:52] <jomofcw> themill missmbob thanks. In fact I've got the /var/cache/apt/archives directory that represent more than 1.5Go ...
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2338 [15:05:21] <themill> jomofcw: for that, you want apt-get autoclean or apt-get clean
2339 [15:05:32] <jomofcw> yup just get it, i try ! Thanks.
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2341 [15:06:06] <missmbob> jomofcw: files are generally fine. you get in trouble when you remove the directory structure
2342 [15:06:12] <jomofcw> Works well, thanks =).
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2369 [15:21:37] <MaxFrames> hello
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2372 [15:22:31] <MaxFrames> I have configured the dhcp daemon to log on the local7 facility and I have configured the syslog daemon to redirect the local7 facility to a separate file
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2375 [15:22:57] <MaxFrames> the line I've added to /etc/rsyslog.conf is as follows:
2376 [15:23:26] <MaxFrames> local7.* /var/log/dhcpd.log
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2378 [15:23:54] <MaxFrames> this is working (the log file is created and updated); now I need to _also_ send the same logs to an external syslog server
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2380 [15:24:07] <MaxFrames> so I added a line just below the previous one, as follows:
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2382 [15:24:25] <MaxFrames> local7.* @x.x.x.x:514
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2384 [15:24:44] <MaxFrames> where x.x.x.x is the syslog server address of course
2385 [15:25:06] <MaxFrames> I am not receiving anything (even though there have been a multitude of dhcp events)
2386 [15:25:28] <MaxFrames> if I replace the line as follows, I do receive data, but of course not just dhcp, the whole lot:
2387 [15:25:36] <MaxFrames> *.* @x.x.x.x;514
2388 [15:25:41] <MaxFrames> *.* @x.x.x.x:514
2389 [15:25:46] <MaxFrames> sorry for mistyping
2390 [15:26:31] <MaxFrames> why is that? could it be that the second redirect for local7 is ignored because local7 is already redirected to a file?
2391 [15:26:35] <MaxFrames> any other ideas?
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2393 [15:28:12] <laerus> do ids in kv work with canvas instructions aswell?
2394 [15:28:19] <petn-randall> MaxFrames: That shouldn't be the case. I'm sure rsyslog works when forwarding and writing logs together. There are several things I'd check:
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2396 [15:28:35] <laerus> oops wrong channel sorry
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2399 [15:29:54] <petn-randall> MaxFrames: 1) did you restart rsyslog, and did it throw any errors doing so? I saw you wrote "*.* @x.x.x.x;514", there's a semicolon instead of a colon, for example. 2) I'd also double-check if packets leave the rsyslog machine with tshark/tcpdump.
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2401 [15:30:34] <MaxFrames> 1) yes (and the ; was a mistyping, it's actually :)
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2403 [15:30:48] <MaxFrames> no errors
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2409 [15:32:38] <neglesaks> hello there. any suggestions for a process monitor other than System Monitor or top ?
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2414 [15:33:27] <mingdao> GKrellM
2415 [15:33:29] <MaxFrames> the line with which I've configured isc-dhcp-server to log on local7 is in /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf and as follows:
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2417 [15:34:00] <MaxFrames> log-facility local7;
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2419 [15:34:10] <MaxFrames> I hope it's all correct
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2427 [15:37:37] <MaxFrames> sorry, I found the problem and it's on the syslog server's side
2428 [15:37:47] <mingdao> neglesaks: GKrellM
2429 [15:37:58] <MaxFrames> apparently the filter syntax is not really boolean as they say it is
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2433 [15:38:38] <neglesaks> Looking into it mingdao, looks good. thansk so much!
2434 [15:39:06] <neglesaks> very nice and oldschool in fact.
2435 [15:39:38] <zmitya> hi Guys. Today after a clamd db update (by freshclam) clamd stopped working for some reason...
2436 [15:39:47] <zmitya> do you guys experienced same ?
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2440 [15:40:51] <petn-randall> MaxFrames: Which filters?
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2449 [15:44:53] <MaxFrames> petn-randall: server side filters to only include certain logs
2450 [15:45:02] <MaxFrames> in my case, I just wanted DHCPACK
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2452 [15:45:39] <MaxFrames> the syslog server is not gnu-linux
2453 [15:45:49] <MaxFrames> (prtg)
2454 [15:45:52] <jhutchins> zmitya: You do realize that clamd doesn't actually do anything except comply with silly secrurity audits.
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2456 [15:48:02] <dcpc007> what is the difference between libnss-ldap and libnss-ldapd (and the recommand linked libpam-ldap or libpam-ldapd)
2457 [15:48:35] <zmitya> jhutchins: well, I did not know :)
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2460 [15:50:07] <abrotman> dcpc007: I'd suspect one is the daemon, the other the client
2461 [15:50:37] <dcpc007> the 2nd is in conflict with the 1st
2462 [15:50:44] <dcpc007> then can't install both
2463 [15:51:13] <ero95> jhutchins: please explain?
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2465 [15:51:59] <dcpc007> the first aptitude show guive an url to replaced-url
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2469 [15:52:34] <dcpc007> the second here : replaced-url
2470 [15:52:56] <hsociety> Do somebody know how people call a Password-Combination Finder?
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2472 [15:53:28] <hsociety> A tool that finds the right password-combination without a wordlist or tool
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2474 [15:53:56] <MaxFrames> social engineering?
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2476 [15:54:48] <hsociety> a tool that just find the right combination without doing anything
2477 [15:55:13] <MaxFrames> ah, I got it! mind reading!
2478 [15:55:16] <iflema> mind reader apps
2479 [15:55:22] <iflema> m
2480 [15:56:14] <hsociety> i mean a hacking tool,
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2484 [15:57:10] <jelly> a saw?
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2487 [15:58:19] <jelly> ,i john
2488 [15:58:20] <judd> Package john (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: active password cracking tool. Version: 1.8.0-2; Size: 194.9k; Installed: 448k; Homepage: replaced-url
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2490 [15:59:08] <jomofcw> Is there a way to clean massively the cache ?
2491 [16:00:14] <petn-randall> jomofcw: Which cache?
2492 [16:00:19] <jelly> dcpc007: libnss-ldap is older, libnss-ldapd / nslcd is newer and solves some boot time or caching issues, don't remember
2493 [16:00:19] <hsociety> without wordlist or not
2494 [16:00:44] <iflema> grub facilitates changing the combinator
2495 [16:00:52] <jomofcw> petn-randall all those that can exist on the system... I think this is probably impossible :/.
2496 [16:00:59] <mingdao> neglesaks: GKrellM works better or worse depending upon your DE or WM
2497 [16:01:12] <petn-randall> jomofcw: What for? your filesystem cache makes your system go faster.
2498 [16:01:25] <mingdao> neglesaks: best for me on Fluxbox, with GKrellM using an invisible theme and on the far right of the desktop all by itself
2499 [16:01:35] <petn-randall> jomofcw: Try to tell us about your problem, not about the solution you think will solve it.
2500 [16:01:37] <dcpc007> jelly: thx, i'm on course :)
2501 [16:01:58] <mingdao> neglesaks: these days I'm using Gnome3 and haven't really set it up, preferring *more* desktop space than my 23" screen gives me
2502 [16:02:21] <jomofcw> petn-randall to avoid useless cache to remain.
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2510 [16:03:04] <petn-randall> jomofcw: Caches are seldomly "useless", otherwise they wouldn't exist in the first place.
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2512 [16:03:48] <petn-randall> jomofcw: What problem are you seeing?
2513 [16:04:09] <hsociety> i am looking for a password-combination cracking
2514 [16:04:29] <petn-randall> hsociety: Which OS are you running?
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2519 [16:09:40] <jomofcw> petn-randall I'm trying to get back free space as possible. I'm talking about cache of app I probably didn't use anymore.
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2521 [16:10:02] <petn-randall> jomofcw: Oh, so you need disk space! You should have told us before.
2522 [16:10:12] <petn-randall> jomofcw: How much disk space is your system currently using?
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2525 [16:10:28] <petn-randall> jomofcw: Many caches don't have anything to do with disk space.
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2539 [16:14:21] <hsociety> Linux
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2541 [16:14:41] <petn-randall> hsociety: Are you using Kali?
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2543 [16:15:01] <jomofcw> petn-randall sorry, I probably explain it bad :(. Here is the stats : /dev/sda1 73G 44G 26G 63% /
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2545 [16:15:16] <jomofcw> I already free a lot of space erasing useless files
2546 [16:15:32] <jomofcw> I would like to get it "optimum", so free all the space I can right now.
2547 [16:15:45] <petn-randall> jomofcw: Run 'ncdu' at your filesystem root, and you'll be able to see what uses how much.
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2553 [16:18:02] <le_pig> Never heard of ncdu before. Nice tool.
2554 [16:18:35] <kfc> because of the firewall I sit behind I download testing ISOs about once a week, mount those and use them in my sources.list. I'd like to install pssh which looks like it's in main and part of the network section in the lists. However it doesn't appear to be on the isos I download. What am I missing?
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2557 [16:18:59] <abrotman> kfc: you can't use an apt-proxy?
2558 [16:19:07] <abrotman> or regular proxy
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2561 [16:21:07] <jomofcw> petn-randall thanks !
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2563 [16:21:28] <jomofcw> -bash: ncdu : commande introuvable
2564 [16:21:29] <jomofcw> :(
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2566 [16:21:37] <jomofcw> Any packet to install ?
2567 [16:22:10] <le_pig> jomofcw: apt-get install ncdu
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2571 [16:22:31] <kfc> abrotman: not familiar with using apt-proxy.
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2573 [16:23:01] <neglesaks> mingdao, apologies for my late response. Im on Debian/Gnome3, it seems to work OK here. very flexible. I would imaging its minimalistic layout goes well with flux etc.
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2576 [16:23:57] <neglesaks> that also being that I have difficulty aking sense of the memory cencept - top clearly communicates that my mem has been gobbled up though the old system monitor does in no way reflect that, only that the swapfiel is growing (which it does for obvious reasons)
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2578 [16:24:42] <mingdao> neglesaks: if you have the time and inclination, I'd like to see a screenshot
2579 [16:25:07] <zykotick9> !atemyram
2580 [16:25:07] <dpkg> "Linux ate my ram!" No, it didn't. Read this: replaced-url
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2583 [16:25:27] <neglesaks> ok, ok, ill read it :P
2584 [16:26:10] <mingdao> neglesaks: sometimes I run "free && sync && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches && free" to drop caches
2585 [16:26:17] <abrotman> dpkg: tell kfc about apt-proxy
2586 [16:26:28] <abrotman> dpkg: hi
2587 [16:26:28] <dpkg> what's up, abrotman
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2589 [16:26:34] <neglesaks> wow, thats exactly what i've been looking for for ages
2590 [16:26:57] <abrotman> kfc: if the bot didn't tell you "/msg dpkg apt-proxy"
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2596 [16:28:25] <kfc> abrotman: it did, thanks
2597 [16:28:46] <abrotman> oh, stupid spam bots
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2601 [16:29:34] <neglesaks> yeah. much spam this season. not to be jolly.
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2609 [16:30:57] <mingdao> neglesaks: this script replaced-url
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2621 [16:32:59] <GivenToCode> Hi I use debian 8, am not a power user, but I set up keyboard shortcuts to mute my speakers. Sometimes it works right away, sometimes it works minutes later, sometimes it works hours later...
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2627 [16:34:31] <neglesaks> thank you very much, mingdao !
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2630 [16:35:13] <mingdao> neglesaks: np, hope it's useful
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2678 [16:50:20] <Sari> Debian installation taking 9 hours
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2683 [16:51:38] <alexsco> why 9 hours?
2684 [16:51:45] <ArabicSoap> Slow net.
2685 [16:51:49] <mazert> netinstall with 28k modem ?
2686 [16:51:58] <ArabicSoap> 4g
2687 [16:52:05] <alexsco> :)
2688 [16:52:12] <ArabicSoap> The only one available in my location
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2690 [16:52:30] <mazert> hmm :p
2691 [16:52:38] <alexsco> you are installing on laptop or other ?
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2693 [16:52:51] <ArabicSoap> Laptop
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2695 [16:52:57] <ArabicSoap> Mac
2696 [16:53:35] <ArabicSoap> Why is debian installation so complicated?
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2699 [16:53:48] <Dreaman> Sari phahhaha 1 haur my old laptop
2700 [16:53:56] <greycat> Because personal computer hardware is so complicated.
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2702 [16:54:13] <alexsco> installing Debian is slowly than ubuntu or mint, but it is very stable. I use just Debian. Is my favorite Linux
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2704 [16:54:51] <ArabicSoap> I want to use Debian because of its stability. But just can't get through the installation. Why not make it easy?
2705 [16:54:53] <alexsco> Debian with Mate DE
2706 [16:54:59] <Dreaman> Sari net install or
2707 [16:55:05] <Dreaman> slow net
2708 [16:55:29] <petn-randall> ArabicSoap: It is easy, but there's no magic we can help you with a slow internet connection.
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2710 [16:55:52] <ArabicSoap> I have slow internet. And I am not sure I installed it correctly. So after 9 hours it could still be the wrong installation.
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2712 [16:56:19] <petn-randall> ArabicSoap: You can download the installation ISOs and burn them or put them on a USB stick, so you can use them several times for installation.
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2714 [16:56:46] <Dreaman> rufus and iso netinstall iso
2715 [16:56:50] <Dreaman> download
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2722 [16:58:00] <Dreaman> nikolov@ubuntu-ivan:~$ inxi -F
2723 [16:58:00] <Dreaman> System: Host: ubuntu-ivan Kernel: 4.9.0-6-generic x86_64 (64 bit)
2724 [16:58:00] <Dreaman> Desktop: Unity 7.5.0
2725 [16:58:00] <Dreaman> Distro: Ubuntu Zesty Zapus (development branch)
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2727 [16:58:00] *** Dreaman was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
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2730 [16:58:22] <Dreaman> i am tester
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2732 [16:58:32] <Dreaman> new ubuntu
2733 [16:58:38] <abrotman> Dreaman: I ythink you want #ubuntu?
2734 [16:58:45] <Dreaman> my laptop is stretch debian
2735 [16:58:53] <greycat> Dreaman: Go the fuck away NOW.
2736 [16:59:12] <Dreaman> :)
2737 [16:59:13] <jhutchins> ArabicSoap: You can also order discs from replaced-url
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2739 [16:59:37] <ArabicSoap> I might just have to. Will just have to handle the bugs. But at least I can have a working computer.
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2742 [17:00:17] <Dreaman> greycat how to usa wifi in stretch
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2744 [17:00:23] <Dreaman> lame
2745 [17:00:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o greycat
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2750 [17:00:55] <mazert> you have to install drivers fro non-free branch
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2754 [17:01:25] <greycat> Ubuntu support is in #ubuntu. Stretch support is on the OFTC network in #debian-next. Support for people who blatantly LIE about their shit is in /logout.
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2757 [17:01:33] <aurigae1> hi debian
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2759 [17:01:49] <aurigae1> any way to install libboost 1.54 on jessie?
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2762 [17:02:15] <aurigae1> or solve such dependency issue with syms?
2763 [17:02:21] <greycat> First trick is to figure out the package name, which it seems is not libboost.
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2768 [17:03:08] <mazert> aurigae1: replaced-url
2769 [17:03:25] <greycat> ,v libboost-atomic1.54.0
2770 [17:03:26] <abrotman> that's for sid
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2772 [17:03:27] <judd> No package named 'libboost-atomic1.54.0' was found in amd64.
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2774 [17:03:36] <aurigae1> guessing its liboost-all-dev
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2780 [17:05:45] <aurigae1> brb
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2782 [17:05:58] <mazert> aurigae1: you try to install an external package, or it is for dev puroposes ?
2783 [17:06:12] <greycat> mazert: what, can't you read his mind?
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2785 [17:07:07] <mazert> greycat: he will tell me
2786 [17:07:11] <le_pig> lol
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2793 [17:11:07] <CrackerJack> greycat dint touch me lame
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2795 [17:11:16] <CrackerJack> eny more
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2798 [17:11:49] <CrackerJack> Client: HexChat 2.12.3 • OS: Debian stretch/sid • CPU: AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology MK-36 (800MHz) • Memory: Physical: 1,8 GiB Total (1,6 GiB Free) Swap: 3,0 GiB Total (3,0 GiB Free) • Storage: 8,3 GB / 77,2 GB (68,9 GB Free) • VGA: 10de:0244 @ 1022:1102 • Uptime: 3m 52s
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2800 [17:12:06] <greycat> You're allowed to run it. You're just not going to get support for it here.
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2817 [17:17:05] <bamb> hi
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2819 [17:17:28] <bamb> if i want to install Oracle Java on debian, is ppa:webupd8team/java a trustworthy source?
2820 [17:17:34] <petn-randall> !ppa
2821 [17:17:35] <bamb> ive never heard of them
2822 [17:17:35] <dpkg> [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see replaced-url
2823 [17:17:37] <bamb> who are they?
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2825 [17:18:01] <Shadur> !why not use a ppa
2826 [17:18:01] <dpkg> PPAs (Ubuntu's Personal Package Archives, see <PPA>) are not built against Debian releases, they are built against Ubuntu releases. This makes using packages from them on a Debian box highly unlikely to work out well. Ask me about <ssb> <package recompile> <bobbitt>.
2827 [17:18:09] <petn-randall> bamb: PPA is only for Ubuntu, it's better to use alternatives.
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2829 [17:18:24] <petn-randall> bamb: What is wrong with using openjdk?
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2832 [17:18:48] <bamb> i prefer oracle since it has a larger userbase and is more mature
2833 [17:19:01] <greycat> By that standard you want Windows.
2834 [17:19:15] <bamb> heh id never deploy my application on windows
2835 [17:19:29] <bamb> fo server apps, i prefer linux
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2837 [17:19:31] <Shadur> Why not? It has a larger userbase and is more mature.
2838 [17:19:32] <bamb> for*
2839 [17:19:53] <bamb> well linux is free, and used by more people than windows
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2841 [17:20:04] <greycat> really?
2842 [17:20:12] <Shadur> Not really.
2843 [17:20:24] <bamb> yea it def is
2844 [17:20:24] <greycat> Well, the free part is true.
2845 [17:20:41] <bamb> theres more instances of linux running in the world than windows
2846 [17:20:45] <bamb> look at android?
2847 [17:21:05] <greycat> Anyway, if the thing you want to install is not packaged *for Debian*, just install it using the upstream distributor's documentation.
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2849 [17:21:32] <Shadur> Anyway, got a train to catch. Short version: PPAs are for Ubuntu, not Debian, and they're significantly less quality-controlled, so use at own risk and don't come here to complain when you wind up breaking stuff.
2850 [17:21:36] <Shadur> When, not if.
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2857 [17:26:04] <EgonSpengler> Debian is so unflexible compared to Slackware and the *BSDs it blow fucking chunks
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2860 [17:26:17] <greycat> Then don't use it.
2861 [17:26:43] <LeandroLuiz> lol
2862 [17:26:58] <LeandroLuiz> rage quit
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2864 [17:28:11] <OerHeks> wait, flexible is good?
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2885 [17:38:37] <jelly> bamb: download .tar.gz from oracle and create .deb binary packages using make-jpkg tool from java-package package
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2887 [17:38:43] <jelly> !make-jpkg
2888 [17:38:44] <dpkg> java-package (formerly mpkg-j2se, j2se-package) provides the make-jpkg utility for creating Debian packages from manually downloaded <Java> distributions; Oracle Java 6 (update >= 10) and Oracle Java 7 are currently supported. java-package is available for Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems in <contrib>. replaced-url
2889 [17:39:01] <haba713> hi! i should install latest debian to pc with pci express m.2 disk. how can i load module rtsx_pci during the installation process? netinst image does not seem to have it but i can copy module from here: replaced-url
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2897 [17:41:40] <haba713> after copying modules directory of linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64.deb to rootfs /lib/ the command "modprobe rtsx_pci" says "not found".
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2910 [17:47:41] <jelly> haba713: did you copy it into the right place? Doesn't d-i menu system allow to load .udeb with whatever extra kernel modules you might need?
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2913 [17:48:05] <jelly> /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/memstick/host/rtsx_pci_ms.ko
2914 [17:48:12] <jelly> /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/mfd/rtsx_pci.ko
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2935 [17:55:07] <bamb> guys, i just installed debiuan in a VM
2936 [17:55:10] <bamb> its the latest version
2937 [17:55:27] <bamb> when i upt-get update, it updated with jessie sources
2938 [17:55:39] <jelly> bamb: jessie is the latest, yes
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2942 [17:55:52] <bamb> then i try to install openssh-server, adn it says it depends on libwrap0, but its not installable. what givesd?
2943 [17:56:04] <jelly> !bat
2944 [17:56:04] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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2946 [17:56:39] <jelly> bamb: run "apt-get update" first, then retry, then if it fails again provide all the relevant info, as above ^^
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2948 [17:56:56] <bamb> i did update. doing upgrade now
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2954 [18:00:16] <haba713> jelly: i'm using text installer and i'm not familiar with .udeb loading
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2960 [18:01:20] <haba713> what is the proper way to load modules during install?
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2963 [18:02:26] <jelly> I VAGUELY remember there was a way to get any extra module from the internets and load it via menus
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2965 [18:02:47] <jelly> probably only in expert mode
2966 [18:03:09] <haba713> i'll try that
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2972 [18:06:09] <bamb> should i upse stable or jessie in the release part of the sources.list?
2973 [18:06:13] <greycat> jessie
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2986 [18:08:38] <jelly> bamb: verify your sources.list entry set is complete, /msg dpkg jessie sources.list
2987 [18:08:54] <bamb> do i need a jessie-updates or jessie/updates line?
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2989 [18:09:10] <bamb> i just have main and security right now
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2991 [18:09:33] <jelly> jessie/updates = security
2992 [18:10:07] <greycat> You *really want* the security.debian.org line. The other updates line is quite optional.
2993 [18:10:10] <jelly> technically you don't quite need jessie-updates I think, but it's on by default these days
2994 [18:10:26] <deepbluv> jelly: hi,you reffered me to a windows version ponyprog
2995 [18:10:41] <jelly> deepbluv: I think I referred you to the sources
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2997 [18:11:13] <ohemdevin> Do any of you know if the LTS 4.9 kernel will make its way into Debian jessie's backports?
2998 [18:11:16] <deepbluv> jelly: never mind.thanx anyway
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3000 [18:11:37] <greycat> ,kernels
3001 [18:11:39] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.8.0-2-686-pae (4.8.11-1); stretch: 4.8.0-1-686-pae (4.8.7-1); jessie-backports: 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.7.8-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.82-1)
3002 [18:11:48] <greycat> It's not even in experimental yet....
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3005 [18:12:02] <jelly> ohemdevin: since 4.4, 4.5, 4.6, 4.7 and 4.8 did find their way...
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3008 [18:12:36] <jelly> ohemdevin: whatever is picked by kernel team to be default for stretch will probably appear in jessie bpo
3009 [18:12:43] <bamb> so my file has "jessie main", and "jessie/updates main"
3010 [18:12:55] <jelly> bamb: sorry, that's not "all the info"
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3012 [18:13:08] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
3013 [18:13:08] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
3014 [18:13:10] <jelly> bamb: ^
3015 [18:13:21] <jelly> see the CAPS there
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3017 [18:14:06] <jelly> if you can't pastebin text, try to upload a screenshot somewhere (like picpaste or imgur)
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3023 [18:16:11] <jelly> I don't think 4.9 has been released at all
3024 [18:16:32] <jelly> mainline: 4.9-rc8 2016-12-04
3025 [18:16:46] <CrackerJack> ikolov@debian-ivan:~$ inxi -F
3026 [18:16:46] <CrackerJack> System: Host: debian-ivan Kernel: 4.8.0-1-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit)
3027 [18:16:46] <CrackerJack> Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux stretch/sid
3028 [18:16:56] <CrackerJack> :)
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3031 [18:17:15] <ohemdevin> Oh, I know... I just know that there's a feature freeze coming up, so it'd be nice to have the LTS kernel and Mesa 13 before that happens!
3032 [18:17:24] <ohemdevin> In jessie's backports
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3036 [18:17:49] <DammitJim> what tool can tell me how much bandwidth is being used on my server on a per connection basis?
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3038 [18:20:34] <digdilem> DammitJim, iptraf is handy for that
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3041 [18:21:28] <DammitJim> does that come default with debian jessie?
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3046 [18:22:18] <jelly> !install it
3047 [18:22:18] <dpkg> Your box does not come with every application, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
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3049 [18:22:28] <jelly> DammitJim: no
3050 [18:22:50] <haba713> jelly: 1. i can't find way to load .udebs in expert mode. 2. i don't know how to create .udeb with rtsx_pci.ko
3051 [18:22:56] <DammitJim> thanks
3052 [18:23:32] <bamb> does this source.list file look OK to you guys?
3053 [18:23:33] <bamb> replaced-url
3054 [18:23:34] <jelly> haba713: eh. Did you try manually insmod-ing it using full path to the file?
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3057 [18:24:16] <haba713> "unknown symbol in module"
3058 [18:24:17] <jelly> > Your paste has triggered our automatic SPAM detection filter.
3059 [18:24:46] <jelly> bamb: do try to use paste.debian.net next time or really any other pastebin site just not the ad-laden pastebin.com
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3062 [18:25:19] <jhutchins> bamb: That should be fine. Do you actually need source code?
3063 [18:25:41] <jelly> haba713: that's ok but this channel gets reports of "ftp.us.debian.org" being inconsistent quite often
3064 [18:25:51] <jelly> bamb: that's ok but this channel gets reports of "ftp.us.debian.org" being inconsistent quite often
3065 [18:25:53] <bamb> jhutchins: no, i dont need source
3066 [18:26:15] <bamb> ok, so then ill keep sources.list as is
3067 [18:26:18] <bamb> thanks guys
3068 [18:26:39] <jelly> haba713: eh, might as well try installing stretch instead :-)
3069 [18:26:54] <jelly> or ask d-i people how to make a custom jessie d-i
3070 [18:27:03] <jelly> with that module
3071 [18:27:27] <jhutchins> bamb: You can comment out the src line until you need it.
3072 [18:27:51] <haba713> jelly: ok
3073 [18:27:56] <jelly> haba713: they're on irc.oftc.net, #debian-boot channel if you're really keen on building custom d-i images
3074 [18:28:14] <haba713> ok, thanks for helping
3075 [18:29:27] <Devastator_> I'm trying to use gigolo to connect to windows shares, but whatever I do, "Service Type" named "Windows Share" doesn't appear, I've installed gvfs-fuse, my user is added to fuse group. I'm using lxde
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3088 [18:40:54] <jhutchins> Devastator_: Any samba packages installed?
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3092 [18:42:48] <Devastator_> jhutchins I was missing gvfs-backends
3093 [18:42:53] <Devastator_> thanks
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3097 [18:45:35] <afidegnum> hello, anyone familiar with Proxmox? my guest VM is not having access to the internet,
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3105 [18:47:26] <ChrisH> !proxmox
3106 [18:47:26] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
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3144 [19:04:08] <spooky> anyone here? trying to figure out how to install uget
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3148 [19:04:37] <greycat> It appears to be a package. apt-get install uget
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3150 [19:04:55] <greycat> ,v uget
3151 [19:04:56] <judd> Package: uget on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.8.2-1; jessie: 1.10.4-1; stretch: 2.0.8-1; sid: 2.0.8-1
3152 [19:05:18] <petn-randall> spooky: If you install 'command-not-found', you just have to try to run a command on the CLI, and then you'll get a suggestion which package needs installing for it to work.
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3154 [19:06:18] <spooky> greycat: when i type that in terminal it says "could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: permission denied). are you root?
3155 [19:06:24] <spooky> btw: i am the admin
3156 [19:06:34] <spooky> sorry, new to linux and debian
3157 [19:07:13] <petn-randall> spooky: You might be the admin, but are you root?
3158 [19:07:17] <petn-randall> spooky: 'whoami'
3159 [19:07:23] <mingdao> spooky: type "su -" then at the password prompt type root's password
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3162 [19:07:48] <spooky> okay
3163 [19:07:51] <spooky> now i'm root
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3166 [19:08:20] <spooky> installing uget
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3169 [19:08:44] <spooky> thank you very much
3170 [19:09:40] <mrrtump> debian user and happy!
3171 [19:09:40] <mrrtump> :)
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3196 [19:20:18] <MikeDebian> i'm trying to use ssh -X host firefox to run firefox from a remote machine. I can do it and firefox opens in my local machine but the ssh connection breaks right after firefox is launched in my local machine and when browsing through that firefox session it's like i'm not browsing from the remote machine because I can't access the local network of that remote machine (for instance its router admin page). what is wrong?
3197 [19:20:42] <MikeDebian> I've successfully done this with another machine and it is working as I expected but with that one it isn't
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3202 [19:23:13] <petn-randall> MikeDebian: What do you mean with "and when browsing through that firefox session it's like i'm not browsing from the remote machine"? Shouldn't firefox be gone after the SSH connection breaks?
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3205 [19:24:16] <MikeDebian> the ssh connection breaks after firefox is launched, not the opposite as it should be supposed
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3207 [19:25:00] <MikeDebian> this means firefox is launched in my local machine but from there I have no connection with the remote machine
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3210 [19:25:59] <MikeDebian> in other machine I have, when I do that, the ssh connection keeps on while firefox is opened on my local machine and when browsing it's like I was in the remote machine browsing
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3214 [19:27:09] <petn-randall> MikeDebian: That's my point, when the SSH connection breaks, there shouldn't be a local firefox window anymore. Though I have to admit I haven't used X11 forwarding in ages now.
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3218 [19:27:46] <petn-randall> MikeDebian: I'd check why SSH breaks, though. You can try running it with -v (or more v's, like -vvvvv) to find out what happens.
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3220 [19:28:05] <MikeDebian> but no, that doesn't happen. firefox is launched and connection breaks
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3223 [19:28:38] <petn-randall> MikeDebian: But the SSH connection breaks, or which one?
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3228 [19:29:09] <MikeDebian> I execute ssh -X host:machine firefox
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3230 [19:29:29] <MikeDebian> firefox is launched and the ssh connection immediately breaks
3231 [19:29:39] <petn-randall> MikeDebian: You mean 'ssh -X host:port firefox', right?
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3233 [19:30:18] <MikeDebian> host:port = host machine IP
3234 [19:30:29] <MikeDebian> default 22 port
3235 [19:30:40] <petn-randall> MikeDebian: Yes, so add -vvvv like this: 'ssh -X -vvvv host firefox'
3236 [19:30:57] <petn-randall> MikeDebian: Or even just run 'ssh -X -vvvv host', then start firefox by hand.
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3238 [19:31:38] <MikeDebian> I will
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3245 [19:33:04] <MikeDebian> it shows a bunch of lines
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3254 [19:35:01] <MikeDebian> debug2: channel 2: is dead
3255 [19:35:01] <MikeDebian> debug2: channel 2: garbage collecting
3256 [19:35:01] <MikeDebian> debug1: channel 2: free: x11, nchannels 2
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3259 [19:35:21] <MikeDebian> this may explain something but not sure how to dig from here
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3262 [19:36:24] <MikeDebian> on the other machine it says things like:
3263 [19:36:25] <MikeDebian> debug2: channel 2: window 2046076 sent adjust 51076
3264 [19:36:25] <MikeDebian> debug2: channel 2: window 2043324 sent adjust 53828
3265 [19:36:25] <MikeDebian> debug2: channel 2: window 2031616 sent adjust 65536
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3271 [19:36:50] <MikeDebian> so in that other machine works and data flows between the 2
3272 [19:36:59] <Shadow_7> Not sure if it helps, but X tends to be passed "-nolisten tcp" by default. Which breaks some things like Xdmx (and probably ssh -X)
3273 [19:37:00] <MikeDebian> but with this 1st remote machine data is not flowing
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3277 [19:37:46] <MikeDebian> Shadow_7, do I need to change some config no X?
3278 [19:38:05] <MikeDebian> no that remote machine I installed xorg by apt-get install xorg
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3281 [19:38:24] <Shadow_7> Depends on the display manager or if X is started with startx
3282 [19:38:26] <MikeDebian> and then made sure X11Forwarding was set to yes on /etc/ssh/sshd_config
3283 [19:39:00] <MikeDebian> I have no gnome or kde installed there
3284 [19:39:02] <MikeDebian> is that the use?
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3293 [19:42:08] <Shadow_7> COLUMNS=300 ps -FlAw | grep -i xinit
3294 [19:42:41] <Shadow_7> There's gdm, kdm, lightdm, slimdm?, and so many others... I just use startx myself
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3312 [19:46:40] <MikeDebian> sorry, I meant "is that the issue"?
3313 [19:47:04] <MikeDebian> not having and GUI installed...?
3314 [19:47:10] <MikeDebian> any*
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3322 [19:48:43] <Shadow_7> the -X for ssh is "X" forwarding, implies a gui
3323 [19:48:50] <Shadow_7> (doesn't mean a gui login)
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3325 [19:49:13] <zhemor> hey guys, I'm trying to install Metasploit but it gives me an error that i do not understand... The error comes up when I type: msfconsole ---the this is the error: Your bundle is locked to activesupport (4.2.7.1), but that version could not be found in any of the st. You'll need to update your bundle to a different version of activesupport (4.2.7.1) that hasn't be
3326 [19:49:15] <zhemor> Run `bundle install` to install missing gems.
3327 [19:49:17] <zhemor> zhemor@debian:~$ bundle install
3328 [19:49:18] <TomTomTosch> which he obviously has if he is able to start firefox. you don't need a DE, if that's what you mean.
3329 [19:49:19] <zhemor> Could not locate Gemfile or .bundle/ directory
3330 [19:49:21] <zhemor> Your bundle is locked to activesupport (4.2.7.1), but that version could not be found in any of the st. You'll need to update your bundle to a different version of activesupport (4.2.7.1) that hasn't be
3331 [19:49:23] <zhemor> Run `bundle install` to install missing gems.
3332 [19:49:25] <zhemor> zhemor@debian:~$ bundle install
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3337 [19:50:36] <Shadow_7> As I recall a gentoo install where grabbing the gui browser, and a window manager, didn't also grab X.
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3340 [19:51:36] <greycat> I think that's also the case in Debian.
3341 [19:51:50] <greycat> X server can be installed independently of WMs and so on.
3342 [19:52:34] <Shadow_7> but the reverse is less likely
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3344 [19:52:58] <Shadow_7> aka ... apt-get install icewm ... likely grabs X
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3349 [19:53:53] <greycat> No, I don't believe it does.
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3351 [19:54:23] <greycat> It depends on libx11-6 and so on, but not on an X server.
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3355 [19:57:07] <Shadow_7> maybe not directly... but mesa-utils eventually grabs libgl1-mesa-dri which grabs xserver-xorg-core
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3361 [19:59:29] <TomTomTosch> he said he did install xorg on his remote machine.
3362 [19:59:43] <Shadow_7> oddly the jogl stuff doesn't grab the freeglut stuff
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3366 [20:02:24] <mrrtump> anyone madman enough to run testing in prod?
3367 [20:02:26] <mrrtump> :)
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3375 [20:02:35] <mrrtump> bonus if you run swi prolog webserver
3376 [20:02:45] <xff> hi. Apache vhost can't access documentroot with privileges o-rwx. Page returns 403. This is my vhost conf: replaced-url
3377 [20:02:50] <Shadow_7> most that do probably run desktops with that, not servers
3378 [20:02:51] <missmbob> anything in production without security support is stupid. so no.
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3388 [20:06:34] <n4dir> guess some people do it: replaced-url
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3390 [20:06:56] <n4dir> ah,well, production. duh
3391 [20:07:16] <Shadow_7> Last time I did it was for glibc > 2.13 for a game
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3402 [20:09:00] <xff> oh, I forgot. Directory can't have owner/group replaced-url
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3409 [20:11:45] <Kiril> hello
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3411 [20:11:59] <ero95> hi Kiril
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3415 [20:13:31] <debby> hi
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3417 [20:13:46] <debby> So for letting logrotate use a complete folder, one would pass a folder instead just a single file to it?, right?
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3419 [20:14:22] <Kiril> are you aware is it available a rbldnsd how-to (install and configure) using local dns server (bind, powerdns) or the current one from provider?
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3433 [20:21:16] <xff> sorry for trolling. Solve: chown alfa:replaced-url
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3452 [20:29:04] <MikeDebian> Shadow_7, I installed gnome-core but still doesn't work
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3461 [20:33:18] <greycat> Make sure you install xorg too.
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3478 [20:43:00] <MikeDebian> greycat, yes xorg is installed
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3491 [20:50:32] <jhutchins> !doesn't work
3492 [20:50:32] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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3494 [20:51:43] <tram0004> !smart questions
3495 [20:51:43] <dpkg> Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: replaced-url
3496 [20:51:43] <jhutchins> MikeDebian: Actually, you don't need a full xorg installation to forward the displays of graphical programs. Forwarding a whole desktop environment requires either VNC or RDP.
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3503 [20:53:12] <jhutchins> MikeDebian: What I usually do is install xclock and whatever dependencies it pulls, then use xclock to test forwarding.
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3512 [21:00:29] <MikeDebian> jhutchins, xclock does work...
3513 [21:00:29] <MikeDebian> but firefox doesn't work as expected
3514 [21:00:47] <missmbob> what's expected? that it just fucking sucks ass? it's supposed to
3515 [21:01:11] <missmbob> running a browser with x forwarding isn't wise
3516 [21:01:30] <greycat> Agreed.
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3519 [21:01:52] <greycat> Browsers are horrible and fragile and quirky enough that they barely work on the LOCAL hardware.
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3525 [21:03:36] <jhutchins> MikeDebian: Yeah, I've seen some strange behaviors with Firefox, I tried to run a speed test remotely and it didn't work.
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3527 [21:04:07] <jhutchins> MikeDebian: I'm afraid I limit my remote browsing to lynx. Are you trying to set up a relay for privacy reasons?
3528 [21:04:23] <MikeDebian> missmbob, wise or not it depends on your specific needs. it's up to each one to decide that part. regarding to "as expected" I mean the browser launches like if it was on my local machine and the data flow stops
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3530 [21:05:04] <MikeDebian> so, from that point it's like just like I'm browsing from my local machine and not from my remote machine
3531 [21:05:04] <missmbob> MikeDebian: sure. for things like that you can set up ssh relay or proxy or vpn...many things. x forwarding isn't the solution
3532 [21:05:14] <TomTomTosch> alternatively you can run ssh -D <someport> and set your local firefox to use that proxy
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3534 [21:05:50] <MikeDebian> this remote machine is 300km away from me
3535 [21:06:01] <MikeDebian> and I needed to access the local network router to open a port
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3537 [21:06:02] <missmbob> doesnt matter. my proxy is in singapore and i'm in chicago
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3541 [21:06:17] <MikeDebian> once the router webpage is not friend of lynx or similar
3542 [21:06:20] <debby> hi
3543 [21:06:23] <MikeDebian> i can't login to it and open the ports
3544 [21:06:31] <MikeDebian> that's why I was trying ssh X forwarding
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3546 [21:06:34] <debby> Is it possible to use a whole folder for config for logrotate? :)
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3548 [21:06:53] <jhutchins> MikeDebian: Why do you need to relay in the first place?
3549 [21:06:56] <missmbob> MikeDebian: well i'm sorry. x forwarding just wont work for what you want.
3550 [21:06:56] <MikeDebian> setting up a vpn is not also not possible once I can't open any ports on the router which can only be accessed from the local network
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3553 [21:07:46] <MikeDebian> missmbob, on other machine I tested (with is next to me) I'm browsing just like if I was on that machine and I can test that by verifying the local IP that the browser is using
3554 [21:08:00] <MikeDebian> which is next to me*
3555 [21:08:23] <MikeDebian> a quick and simple example
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3559 [21:08:48] <MikeDebian> the remote machine sitting next to me has an apache server
3560 [21:08:56] <MikeDebian> when I ssh -X into that remote machine
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3562 [21:09:03] <MikeDebian> and when accessing 127.0.0.1
3563 [21:09:10] <MikeDebian> I view the contents of that remote machine
3564 [21:09:21] <MikeDebian> not the contents of my local machine which doesnt even have an apache
3565 [21:09:29] <greycat> Is this your scenario: "I'm sitting at desktop box D. I want to use D's web browser to reach the config page of router R, but R is on a different network and can't be reached directly. I have access to server S on the same network as R." ?
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3568 [21:10:07] <MikeDebian> yes, that's the case
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3570 [21:10:27] <MikeDebian> but with a difference
3571 [21:10:44] <MikeDebian> I want to use server S web browser to reach R router
3572 [21:10:45] <greycat> (1) Set up an ssh SOCKS tunnel from D to S: ssh -N -D 9999 me@R. (2) Set Firefox to use the SOCKS proxy at localhost:9999.
3573 [21:10:56] <greycat> Delete stupid self-imposed requirement.
3574 [21:11:02] <missmbob> yes. that's the way to do it.
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3576 [21:11:21] <greycat> err, I meant me@S not me@R
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3578 [21:11:38] <MikeDebian> let me try, tks
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3584 [21:13:40] <MikeDebian> that's great guys
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3586 [21:13:44] <MikeDebian> it's working ;)
3587 [21:13:48] <MikeDebian> always learning something new
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3592 [21:15:24] <jhutchins> greycat: Great job of figuring out what it was he was trying to do given the minimal info.
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3594 [21:15:46] <greycat> Fortunately the goal was relatively sane.
3595 [21:17:05] <MikeDebian> i'm not that crazy guys lol i've been in linux scene 15years ago for a few years and I'm now just coming back to it
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3597 [21:17:30] <greycat> You might not be, but other people are.
3598 [21:17:41] <greycat> We get some truly mind-shattering questions.
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3600 [21:18:21] <MikeDebian> yes I can imagine
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3623 [21:28:34] <n_np> aloha
3624 [21:28:48] <n_np> i installed openstack-toaster, after apache and that rabbit thingy and mysql
3625 [21:28:52] <n_np> now im getting this Invalid service catalog service: compute
3626 [21:28:54] <n_np> whats that about?
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3629 [21:30:30] <jhutchins> n_np: No idea what "that rabbit thingy" might be, but have you tried pasting the error message into google?
3630 [21:30:39] <jhutchins> !openstack
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3636 [21:30:55] <n_np> yeh
3637 [21:31:00] <n_np> rabbitmq-server
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3641 [21:32:47] <n_np> i would like to rerun the keystone configuration script
3642 [21:32:49] <n_np> how can i do that?
3643 [21:32:54] <n_np> dpkg-reconfigure keystone wont work
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3645 [21:33:16] <jhutchins> n_np: dpkg-reconfigure usually expects a package name.
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3650 [21:34:18] <jhutchins> n_np: You might try #openstack. (There are a LOT of openstack-* channels)
3651 [21:34:59] <n_np> they dont seem to be helping
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3654 [21:35:09] <n_np> well this is from the openstack-toaster install package
3655 [21:35:28] <greycat> ,v openstack-toaster
3656 [21:35:29] <judd> Package: openstack-toaster on amd64 -- jessie: 0.10; jessie-backports: 0.14~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.14; sid: 0.14
3657 [21:36:07] <n_np> i just want to run its install scripts again, maybe that works?
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3659 [21:36:15] <greycat> ,info openstack-toaster
3660 [21:36:16] <judd> Package openstack-toaster (net, extra) in jessie/amd64: Metapackage to install all of Openstack services at once. Version: 0.10; Size: 2.7k; Installed: 26k; Homepage: replaced-url
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3667 [21:36:46] <greycat> You probably want dpkg-reconfigure something, but you'll have to figure out which specific package to reconfigure.
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3669 [21:37:20] <n_np> oops
3670 [21:37:22] <n_np> thanks yes
3671 [21:37:23] <n_np> ill try that
3672 [21:37:25] <n_np> one sec.
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3675 [21:39:21] <n_np> hmmmm
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3679 [21:41:25] <jhutchins> n_np: Again, try just pasting the error into google and looking through some of the results.
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3682 [21:42:05] <n_np> i did that
3683 [21:42:06] <n_np> all day.
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3686 [21:44:53] <Gravious> Hi, I'm wondering what the best way to go about adding python support to an existing package is?
3687 [21:45:31] <Gravious> It's a combined C/python lib in a single repo. And I don't know how to get debhelper to do the correct thing for both
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3698 [21:49:17] <namoamitabuddha> Will Debian stretch wait for Linux kernel 4.10?
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3705 [21:50:24] <missmbob> namoamitabuddha: that's kind of up in the air right now. debian wanted to use 4.10 because that was going to be LTS kernel. now it *might* be 4.9.
3706 [21:50:52] <missmbob> namoamitabuddha: here's the iffy 4.9 might be info replaced-url
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3720 [21:57:33] <Gravious> oh
3721 [21:57:39] <Gravious> i think i have found a way
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3735 [22:04:51] <spooky> has anyone here used uget? anytime i paste a link to download a file i only get the url downloaded. anyone know why?
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3753 [22:13:26] <unicron> has anyone successfully got TrustedGRUB and tpm-luks to work recently?
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3758 [22:18:21] <zykotick9> new personal rule... if the project (like TrustedGRUB) is hosted on sourceforge.net - don't bother... ;)
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3764 [22:19:44] <unicron> i tried to use this one and it didn't work either replaced-url
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3769 [22:21:34] <zykotick9> unicron: the fact your issue is about "SecureBoot" and TPM, makes my eyes roll so hard it actually hurts... best of luck (in whatever your doin')
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3781 [22:25:16] <unicron> thanks
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3783 [22:25:55] <missmbob> zykotick9: that's a life rule for everyone.
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3785 [22:26:30] <jhutchins> spooky: A lot of download links are just scripts or links to an auto-download page. You probably need a link that ends with the actual filename.
3786 [22:26:31] <missmbob> regardless of their adding malware to packages scandal
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3791 [22:28:26] <teraflops> missmbob: after the last issue they promised to behave :P
3792 [22:28:54] <unicron> zykotick9: how would you better protect a hard drive that you need to leave in an untrusted environment and you don't want to type a passphrase at boot?
3793 [22:29:00] <Gravious> hrm, maybe i should just make the setup.py install the shared library...
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3795 [22:29:15] <missmbob> teraflops: hrm :P
3796 [22:29:18] <OS-24605> !ralph
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3798 [22:29:45] <zykotick9> unicron: i type one lvm+luks password one every boot. what you want... i've got nothing!
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3800 [22:29:57] <zykotick9> s/one every/on every/
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3803 [22:30:58] <missmbob> you *can* do full disk encryption. it's not easy and mostly unnecessary...but you can
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3805 [22:31:05] <OS-24605> !ralph
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3811 [22:31:13] <missmbob> OS-24605: what's your malfunction?
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3814 [22:31:44] <zykotick9> missmbob: i've done some funny things with FDE... but no password/remote <- that i can't even fathom
3815 [22:31:50] <OS-24605> I thought if I typed "!<machine>" the bot gave a tip back
3816 [22:31:52] <unicron> this might be an option replaced-url
3817 [22:32:01] <unicron> but i'd rather use TPM if possible
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3819 [22:32:09] <missmbob> OS-24605: note you can /msg the bot
3820 [22:32:21] <jhutchins> !bot
3821 [22:32:22] <dpkg> I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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3824 [22:32:42] <OS-24605> oh, ok, apologies, my 2nd time in here. First time was following the Alpha guide
3825 [22:32:42] <birch> Hey all, gotta put out this fire for my mom on her System76 laptop. Got problems after a dist-upgrade from Wheezy to Jessie. Wifi shows a connection and ip for the wifi but not getting out to the internet, ie can't fetch from Debian servers or web in FF. Also having Window tearing and artifact problems. This is Jessie 64bit and here's my hardware replaced-url
3826 [22:33:11] <greycat> If you just want to play with the bot, please use /msg
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3828 [22:33:34] <jhutchins> OS-24605: replaced-url
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3830 [22:33:47] <OS-24605> thanks
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3834 [22:34:53] <jhutchins> birch: Is the system getting an IP? Is it gettting DNS settings? Can it ping the router? Can it ping 8.8.8.8?
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3849 [22:39:19] <birch___> hm, the wifi seems to be working for now but the graphics are still messed up
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3855 [22:40:38] <nillerz> Hello everybody
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3857 [22:41:05] <Guest86543> o/
3858 [22:41:16] <Guest86543> Does anyone know how to extract data from .xip file?
3859 [22:41:29] <birch___> jhutchins, can you please help me troubleshoot my graphics driver?
3860 [22:41:33] <Guest86543> (using debian jessie)
3861 [22:41:41] <little_tommy> ls
3862 [22:41:53] <Gravious> .
3863 [22:41:54] <Gravious> ..
3864 [22:41:59] <jhutchins> birch___: What chipset? What symptoms?
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3866 [22:42:06] <missmbob> Guest86543: do you mean zip?
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3868 [22:42:27] <birch___> jhutchins, 80860126 Yes Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller i915 v2.6.38-
3869 [22:42:28] <Guest86543> missmbob: no, xip file :-)
3870 [22:42:35] <Guest86543> according to stackoverflow
3871 [22:42:42] <greycat> birch___: lspci -nn | grep VGA
3872 [22:42:42] <Guest86543> it may be related to apple
3873 [22:42:55] <Guest86543> apple way to sign a zip file
3874 [22:43:04] <birch___> greycat, jhutchins 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0126] (rev 09)
3875 [22:43:04] <greycat> Though I suspect 8086:0126 *might* be your PCI ID.
3876 [22:43:15] <Guest86543> but for my file, I don't care about the signature, I just need to extract the data
3877 [22:43:17] <greycat> ,pciid 8086:0126
3878 [22:43:18] <judd> [8086:0126] is '2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'i915', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
3879 [22:43:28] <birch___> having screen tearing and artifacts ... like that old dog balloon game on windows
3880 [22:43:36] <toruvinn> Guest86543, i'm assuming you tried just unzipping it?
3881 [22:43:53] <Guest86543> toruvinn: I did
3882 [22:44:07] <greycat> birch___: you could try the xserver-xorg-video-intel from jessie-backports, just on general principle. I'm not aware of any specific issues with this chipset.
3883 [22:44:08] <birch___> running xfce
3884 [22:44:12] <nillerz> I have a weird question if anyone is interested. I have an SD card. The SD card has a video file on it. It's the only file on the card other than the DCIM folder it's in. I plug it into my camera, my camera sees the file and can play it back. I plug it into my PC, I can mount the drive like normal, and I can see the folder that the file should be in, but it's not there.
3885 [22:44:14] <boon> I'm getting an error, while building a program with rust, /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lssl
3886 [22:44:14] <Guest86543> I tried to open it with Xarchiver as well
3887 [22:44:19] <nillerz> I've run photorec and it didn't find the file.
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3890 [22:44:42] <boon> Also having the same error with -lncursesw and -lcrypto
3891 [22:44:49] <missmbob> boon: try apt-get install libssl-dev
3892 [22:45:01] <greycat> boon: install each of the -dev packages for those. Find their names with apt-cache search --names-only
3893 [22:45:05] <boon> I did a dist-upgrade the other day, and the was a source of many problems
3894 [22:45:07] <Guest86543> toruvinn: missmbob: according to stackoverflow, I may have to use 'xar -xf'
3895 [22:45:32] <boon> I get this: libssl-dev : Depends: zlib1g-dev but it is not going to be installed
3896 [22:45:33] <greycat> boon: if you are on testing or unstable, you're in the wrong place.
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3898 [22:46:02] <Guest86543> but I did not find to what package this command could be belong
3899 [22:46:19] <greycat> Guest86543: you can search by filename on packages.debian.org
3900 [22:46:35] <missmbob> Guest86543: i told you one. another is libncurses5-dev
3901 [22:46:51] <birch___> greycat, jhutchins replaced-url
3902 [22:47:23] <nillerz> Also, apparently I can't navigate to this file in the cli, but I can see it's location in thunar
3903 [22:47:28] <nillerz> truly strange, truly obnoxious
3904 [22:47:32] <birch___> going to reboot brb
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3907 [22:47:52] <nillerz> Anyone ever have a problem like this with an SD card?
3908 [22:48:06] <nillerz> sudo thunar
3909 [22:48:43] <missmbob> one should never sudo thunar
3910 [22:49:07] <nillerz> irc: first to complain, last to help, every time.,
3911 [22:49:08] <Guest86543> greycat: no result, is it possible the "xar" command is only available on OS X?
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3913 [22:49:25] <missmbob> if you cant navigate with cli it means you messed its permissions up but doing sudo thunar and other sudo nonsense
3914 [22:49:28] <Guest86543> missmbob: you want me to install libncurses5-dev ?
3915 [22:49:36] <greycat> How would I know? I've never heard of "xar" or ".xip".
3916 [22:49:37] <missmbob> Guest86543: i dont. the system does.
3917 [22:49:54] <missmbob> Guest86543: and the other one i told you
3918 [22:50:16] <greycat> Did you try searching google/bing/whatever for "extract .xip"?
3919 [22:50:23] <jhutchins> Guest86543: It seems odd that something useful in Linux would be available in an Apple-specific format.
3920 [22:50:40] <nillerz> well, ls -ltrh says that my non-root account is the owner of the folder
3921 [22:50:42] <jhutchins> Guest86543: There is a package called unarchiver that will reportedly extract xar.
3922 [22:50:45] <jhutchins> ,v unarchiver
3923 [22:50:46] <judd> No package named 'unarchiver' was found in amd64.
3924 [22:50:48] <nillerz> and it has read/write permissions on everything inside
3925 [22:50:50] <Guest86543> I'll try to install the libs
3926 [22:50:53] <jhutchins> Guest86543: Not packaged for debian yet.
3927 [22:51:02] <Guest86543> And I find it very odd too
3928 [22:51:08] <jhutchins> Guest86543: You may end up making a mess of your system.
3929 [22:51:11] <nillerz> but there's a file on here that my camera can see but my machine can't, even with photorec.
3930 [22:51:14] <Guest86543> jhutchins: damn
3931 [22:51:29] <jhutchins> Guest86543: What is the file supposed to be?
3932 [22:51:30] <nillerz> Although, when I first plugged in the SD card, it read the file no problem until it ate itself and the file randomly disappeared.
3933 [22:51:50] <Guest86543> jhutchins: I have actually no idea
3934 [22:52:13] <Gravious> oh, so you just add --with python3
3935 [22:52:19] <Gravious> i thought it would be more complicted >.>
3936 [22:52:28] <Guest86543> jhutchins: it's a VM from Vulnhub
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3939 [22:53:03] <jhutchins> Guest86543: In that case it's probably formatted for Parallels and mean to run on an OSX host.
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3941 [22:53:20] <Guest86543> jhutchins: I mean it comes from a VM (from Vulnhub). The location of the file lead to think that this is important for the challenge
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3944 [22:53:46] <Guest86543> jhutchins: it is definitively the worst case :-(
3945 [22:54:10] <birch___> greycat, jhutchins the video problems were fixed by switching from xfce to gnome3, which is fine with me, but the wifi problems persist
3946 [22:54:26] <missmbob> birch___: fyi dont use xchat. it hasnt been developed in a few years and thus has security bugs that makes it unsafe.
3947 [22:54:39] <jhutchins> Guest86543: The chances that the content will be useful on a non-OSX machine are pretty small.
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3949 [22:54:56] <birch___> greycat, jhutchins the wifi has an IP and MAC but cannot ping 8.8.8.8 or traceroute google.com, advice?
3950 [22:54:59] <jhutchins> birch___: You never gave us any of the details.
3951 [22:55:03] <birch___> missmbob, what do you recommend?
3952 [22:55:13] <nillerz> exit
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3954 [22:55:20] <missmbob> birch___: i use irssi. if you really want that kind of xchat-like gui there's hexchat
3955 [22:55:48] <boon> does this suggest I might have done an dist-upgrade and picked up dependencies from my debian testing? replaced-url
3956 [22:56:00] <missmbob> boon: this isn't the testing support channel
3957 [22:56:16] <birch___> jhutchins, my wifi is in my paste here it is again replaced-url
3958 [22:56:21] <missmbob> !tell boon about debian-next
3959 [22:56:30] <jhutchins> missmbob: It's the Debian support channel.
3960 [22:56:44] <missmbob> jhutchins: you're right. not testing.
3961 [22:56:45] <birch___> missmbob, I use hexchat on windows and it's okay but I just like xchat
3962 [22:56:58] <jhutchins> missmbob: Yes, testing. Yes, sid.
3963 [22:57:04] <missmbob> birch___: your choice. so long as you're aware it's not smart
3964 [22:57:13] <jhutchins> missmbob: Our goal is to help people, not kick them off the channel.
3965 [22:57:37] <missmbob> jhutchins: i'm not kicking them off of anything. i'm in #debian-next and willing to help. let's just follow channel policy
3966 [22:57:47] <Guest86543> jhutchins: the challenge was created by the Defcon staff, I don't think (at least I hope) we do not need to have an OS X to solveit :-(
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3969 [22:58:15] <Guest86543> jhutchins: in any case, thank you for your time!
3970 [22:58:18] <birch___> ooo a Defcon challenge? I'd be interested myself if I didn't have my mom's laptop to fix
3971 [22:58:32] <jhutchins> ,v libtinfo5
3972 [22:58:33] <judd> Package: libtinfo5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.9-10; jessie: 5.9+20140913-1+b1; stretch: 6.0+20160917-1; sid: 6.0+20161126-1
3973 [22:58:44] <Guest86543> birch___: did you try to turn it off and on again?
3974 [22:58:55] <birch___> haha yes
3975 [22:59:01] <Guest86543> birch___: it's broken dude, give up and join me on the challenge!
3976 [22:59:15] <Guest86543> :p
3977 [22:59:24] <jhutchins> boon: Yes, that does suggest a broken partial upgrade to stretch.
3978 [22:59:34] <jhutchins> boon: WHat did you intend to do?
3979 [23:00:21] <RikuKawai> I'm trying to install linux 4.7 from jessie-backports but I'm having dependency issues. it wants firmware-linux-free and irqbalance, which I can add to the apt install command, but it also depends on linux-base 4.3 or higher and the newest available is 3.5
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3981 [23:00:45] <jhutchins> birch___: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead?
3982 [23:00:53] <missmbob> RikuKawai: linux-base in jessie-backports is 4.3
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3984 [23:01:06] <jhutchins> birch___: You have to give us useful details, not just spam the whole sysinfo at us.
3985 [23:01:06] <TomTomTosch> RikuKawai: what's the command you used?
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3988 [23:01:34] <birch___> My wifi is broken after a dist-upgrade from Wheezy to Jessie both 64bit. I followed this replaced-url
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3990 [23:01:49] <jhutchins> RikuKawai: Sounds like you might not have the right things in your sources.list
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3992 [23:01:55] <boon> jhutchins: I was attempting to fix some other error, can't recall what it was at the time.
3993 [23:02:06] <birch___> jhutchins, do you just want this? 10ec8176 Yes Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter rtl8192ce
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3995 [23:02:27] <RikuKawai> TomTomTosch: apt install linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64-unsigned firmware-linux-free irqbalance
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4000 [23:02:37] <missmbob> RikuKawai: use -t jessie-backports
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4002 [23:02:53] <jhutchins> birch___: Try resetting your hotspot.
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4004 [23:03:13] <jhutchins> birch___: It sounds like it might not be getting a gateway. You can check route -n
4005 [23:03:16] <RikuKawai> missmbob: that worked thanks
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4007 [23:03:23] <boon> jhutchins: need invite to debian-next?
4008 [23:03:32] <missmbob> boon: not if you're on the right network (OFTC)
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4010 [23:04:12] <birch___> jhutchins, replaced-url
4011 [23:04:14] <boon> roger
4012 [23:04:15] <RikuKawai> jhutchins: I selected jessie-backports using the installer so I don't think the blame is on me if it's configured wrong :P
4013 [23:04:22] <jhutchins> missmbob: You don't think attempting to revert a partial upgrade to stable is on-topic here?
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4015 [23:04:51] <missmbob> jhutchins: i'm not going to argue with you for the millionth time about channel policy. you dont understand. that's okay.
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4033 [23:15:47] <ohemdevin> Hiya.
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4051 [23:27:14] <acresearch> hello people
4052 [23:27:21] <Gravious> hi!
4053 [23:27:31] <acresearch> WHY??? is the debian installartion so complicated?
4054 [23:27:50] <acresearch> 10+ times i try to install it, 10+ times i fail
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4057 [23:28:48] <acresearch> why not make it simple?
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4061 [23:30:23] <TomTomTosch> if you want to complain, you are in the wrong place. if you want help, you need to be more specific.
4062 [23:30:58] <acresearch> TomTomTosch: what is a DHCP server network?
4063 [23:31:07] <acresearch> what should i put in?
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4070 [23:33:46] <TomTomTosch> at what step in the installation are you? what image did you use?
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4074 [23:35:15] <acresearch> TomTomTosch: i cancelled the installation and re-installed ubuntu so i can use my laptop and talk here, i think it is before asking for root password, which is my next question.
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4076 [23:35:38] <acresearch> TomTomTosch: before all of this. i have the network installation image
4077 [23:36:14] <acresearch> this does not work for me i need the full instllation image, but there are TOO many options in the website i am lost, everytime i choose an option i get more options
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4086 [23:39:17] <TomTomTosch> the dhcp server is responsible for network configuration, like assigning ip addresses dynamically. usually your router does that. the installer should figure that out automatically, if you have a working connection.
4087 [23:39:42] <TomTomTosch> is that a laptop or a desktop pc?
4088 [23:39:57] <TomTomTosch> are you trying to connect through wifi?
4089 [23:41:53] <acresearch> TomTomTosch: laptop, a mac, and the wifi is propriety so debian will not install the firware. + my internet is very slow, takes 9 hours to install debian (and since the installation is difficult for me) i will need to install it several times until i know which configuration works for me. so i need to full image, without network installation
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4092 [23:42:36] <TomTomTosch> !firmware image
4093 [23:42:36] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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4096 [23:42:56] <jim> is CVE-2016-8655 considered a lower priority? and/or... is the fix considered harmful or limiting in any way?
4097 [23:42:56] <TomTomTosch> this works most of the time. not for all chipsets, though.
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4099 [23:43:19] <acresearch> hmmm ok i will get them
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4108 [23:48:06] <boon> acresearch: I installed debian jessie on my macbook pro, had to download the broadcom firmware, it was a bit of a hassle, but it worked, also, best to use a wired connection in the beginning
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4111 [23:49:05] <acresearch> boon: thanks
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4119 [23:53:20] <missmbob> jim yes it's low priority. it doesn't affect debian's default config or the vast majority of users
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