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0[00:00:24] <Richard_Cavell> yokisuci: /me nods vigorously
1[00:00:43] <yokisuci> ^^
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5[00:02:06] <yokisuci> Richard_Cavell: For some reason it seems to me that i've always had issues with some missing firmware or another, so usually i'm using one of the ISOs with non-free firmware. :/
6[00:02:49] <Richard_Cavell> I don't think any iso is going to have it
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8[00:02:51] <missmbob> which doesnt include b43
9[00:02:58] <sussudio> echosystm: just make a small swapfile, even if it never gets used.
10[00:03:10] <yokisuci> Richard_Cavell: oh ok
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14[00:04:38] <hagbard90> Sometime ago i had the experience of enabling a similar device the "how to enable Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM43142 802.11b/g/n (rev 01) " under debian/Kali Linux distro maybe its similar replaced-url
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19[00:06:43] <abrotman> echosystm: that's just fine, the OOM Killer will kick in regardless if you have swap or not. Are you going to use conntrack?
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31[00:10:20] <echosystm> abrotman: yeah, very heavily
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33[00:10:34] <echosystm> pretty much every rule will be using -m state
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37[00:11:29] <echosystm> sussudio: my apprehension against creating a small swapfile is that i've seen my system use it even when there's free RAM
38[00:11:33] <echosystm> i dont know what that's all about
39[00:11:50] <echosystm> also i'm lazy. i can't be bothered creating one if i dont need it :D
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44[00:13:14] <abrotman> echosystm: try without it, see how it goes
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64[00:23:03] <laurus> Is ffmpeg obsolete, or something? Could someone bring me up to date onthis?
65[00:23:07] <laurus> * on this?
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68[00:24:19] <sussudio> echosystm: are you running it off an usb stick or something that plugs into the ide or sata port
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72[00:26:28] <echosystm> wat?
73[00:26:31] <echosystm> no just a usb drive
74[00:26:36] <echosystm> plugged into a usb port lol
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76[00:26:45] <missmbob> laurus: no
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78[00:26:57] <missmbob> laurus: it's in jessie-backports if you can't find it.
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80[00:27:08] <sussudio> echosystm: you can buy some that aren't total shit
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82[00:27:48] <echosystm> sussudio: i already have one of the best money can buy. the issue is few/no usb drives support TRIM
83[00:27:57] <laurus> missmbob, oh, is that info out of date?
84[00:28:05] <echosystm> so subblock fragmentation will hapen over time and the only way to reverse it is to reinstall
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86[00:28:17] <sussudio> echosystm: not even with manufacturer tools?
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93[00:29:23] <missmbob> laurus: i dont know what info you're reading. libav is a fork of ffmpeg that debian includes by default. that doesn't mean ffmpeg is dead.
94[00:29:27] <echosystm> sussudio: there are none mang
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96[00:29:41] <laurus> missmbob, oh, okay. So when I run ffmpeg on Debian Jessie, it's really running libav?
97[00:29:51] <sussudio> it shouldn't really matter, unless you fill it to capacity
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102[00:30:22] <laurus> When I write "ffmpeg -v" I get "ffmpeg version 3.1.5 Copyright (c) 2000-2016 the FFmpeg developers"
103[00:30:32] <echosystm> sussudio: or i could just not use swap and enable noatime and not owrry about it :D
104[00:30:51] <abrotman> that only lowers the number of writes, not eliminates them
105[00:31:04] <echosystm> good enough
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109[00:31:32] * abrotman still thinks you wouldn't need swap
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111[00:32:34] <sussudio> openelec seems to have swap turned off.
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121[00:38:07] <wonderworld> is there a way to make iptables run a shell command if a certain rule is being matched?
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132[00:40:49] <sussudio> wonderworld: google it.
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158[00:50:53] <c-pin> hey giys does anyone know a debian based os with i686 kernel
159[00:51:20] <c-pin> also needs to be pretty lightweight
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161[00:51:40] <zykotick9> c-pin: debian?
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163[00:51:48] <c-pin> zykotick9, does it have an i686 kernel? 0.0
164[00:51:49] <AlexLikeRock> LOL
165[00:51:57] <c-pin> i heard it had problems in a vm
166[00:52:05] <c-pin> i mean i wont be using a vm but someone got an error
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171[00:52:46] <missmbob> ,i linux-image-3.16.0-4-686-pae
172[00:52:47] <judd> No package named 'linux-image-3.16.0-4-686-pae' was found in jessie/amd64.
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174[00:52:57] <missmbob> well obviously not in amd64..but yes...it has 686 kernel
175[00:53:06] <c-pin> ok so 32 bit will work?
176[00:53:20] <missmbob> yes
177[00:53:32] <c-pin> cool
178[00:53:36] <c-pin> solus was giving me grief
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182[00:54:43] <c-pin> uh so i see the images and uh... one is i386
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184[00:54:45] <c-pin> is that what i want
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187[00:55:00] <missmbob> yes
188[00:55:03] <c-pin> sweet
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190[00:55:28] * abrotman only uses the cyrix version
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237[01:14:31] <simonpatapon> Hi
238[01:14:43] <simonpatapon> i want to remove pulseausio to get back to alsa
239[01:14:58] <simonpatapon> but when I apt-get remove it, it wants to remove gnome :/
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244[01:16:53] <abrotman> what's wrong with PA?
245[01:16:58] <sonOfRa> Pretty sure GNOME depends on PA
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247[01:17:21] <simonpatapon> sound gets muted a fraction of second very often
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249[01:17:55] <simonpatapon> my Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 05) worked well on alsa
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251[01:18:00] <abrotman> In Testing it does
252[01:18:12] <simonpatapon> I'm on sid
253[01:18:12] <abrotman> not sure about Jessie
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255[01:18:37] <sonOfRa> are you sure it's not just an intermittently broken build? Sid IS known to have broken things sometimes
256[01:18:55] <simonpatapon> no its been month about it
257[01:19:08] <simonpatapon> i have sucessfully returned to alsa last year
258[01:19:14] <simonpatapon> my problem was fixed
259[01:19:19] <simonpatapon> but pulse came back
260[01:19:25] <simonpatapon> in a full upgrade
261[01:19:32] <simonpatapon> don't know why
262[01:20:15] <abrotman> gnome-core depends on it
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273[01:25:08] <simonpatapon> so i wait for an update? or do you have any suggestion
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276[01:25:57] <abrotman> I think you just got the update
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278[01:27:34] <missmbob> since it depends on it now there's really nothing for you to do. welcome to pulseaudio
279[01:27:47] <simonpatapon> thank you very much
280[01:27:54] <AlexLikeRock> denada
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289[01:30:23] <mrrtump> how do I start postgresql?
290[01:30:33] <mrrtump> on redhat I do service postgresql start
291[01:30:41] <mrrtump> whats the debianism?
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293[01:30:45] <AlexLikeRock> lol
294[01:30:48] <AlexLikeRock> seame
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296[01:31:04] <AlexLikeRock> service postgresql status
297[01:31:34] <AlexLikeRock> service apache2 status
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299[01:31:46] <keltim> is something going on with httpredir.debian.org? I'm getting 404's
300[01:32:35] <AlexLikeRock> keltim, change to manual tour sources
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302[01:32:51] <AlexLikeRock> keltim, ftp.debian.org
303[01:32:53] <keltim> what are they? all docs point to httpredir ...
304[01:33:05] <abrotman> keltim: what's in your sources.list?
305[01:33:09] <abrotman> not ftp.debian.org, don't use that
306[01:33:10] <keltim> does anyone know how long it's been broken?
307[01:33:17] <keltim> this is dreadful
308[01:33:27] <keltim> I can't believe it
309[01:33:38] <abrotman> keltim: cat /etc/apt/sources.list .. what's in there?
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311[01:34:10] <keltim> abrotman, just try to go to replaced-url
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316[01:34:53] <keltim> I'm not asking for help, I'm trying to determine if it's broken for me or everyone
317[01:34:59] <abrotman> keltim: replaced-url
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319[01:35:32] <keltim> all the docs, including the site, don't have /dists ... when did that change?
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326[01:37:28] <keltim> they want to change something and break their official site for the entire world?
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328[01:38:21] <keltim> and don't even update the docs?
329[01:38:23] <keltim> !?!?
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334[01:38:34] <keltim> this isn't the debian I know
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340[01:41:00] <keltim> somebody's monkeying with the site right now
341[01:41:18] <yokisuci> keltim: No? I'm not having trouble with the debian site. :/
342[01:41:20] <keltim> fixing I mean
343[01:41:30] <keltim> it just got fixed
344[01:41:51] <yokisuci> Ok :/
345[01:42:23] <AlexLikeRock> Tooooo slow repositories
346[01:42:29] <AlexLikeRock> then, spain,
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348[01:42:39] <AlexLikeRock> then others countries :-/
349[01:42:50] <AlexLikeRock> looks like DDOS
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353[01:43:57] <yokisuci> AlexLikeRock: :/ I havn't had any problems at all from what i've noticed. But i live in sweden.
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358[01:47:25] <RikuKawai> so I just configured wifi from the command line
359[01:47:37] <RikuKawai> I can only reach computers inside my LAN
360[01:48:05] <RikuKawai> anything on the internet resolves to IP correctly, but throws network unreachable
361[01:48:14] <echosystm> why would anyone ddos the debian site?
362[01:48:33] <AlexLikeRock> you need DNS RikuKawai
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364[01:48:47] <RikuKawai> what do you mean I need DNS
365[01:49:03] <RikuKawai> of course I have DNS how else would domain names be resolving to IP
366[01:49:27] <missmbob> RikuKawai: did you set the default route? something like: sudo route add default gw 192.168.0.1 wlan0
367[01:49:52] <RikuKawai> I'll try that
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370[01:50:24] <RikuKawai> missmbob: thanks it works now
371[01:50:31] <missmbob> RikuKawai: you're welcome
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373[01:50:52] <RikuKawai> just for reference the IP to use is the one for your router
374[01:50:58] <RikuKawai> in my case 192.168.2.1
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376[01:51:06] <missmbob> yes. i said "something like" :P
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379[01:51:44] <missmbob> figured if you configured via command prompt you'd figure it out ;)
380[01:51:55] <RikuKawai> yeah
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383[01:54:24] <AlexLikeRock> echosystm, , test a new DDOs , to implement ATTACKS like DYNDNS
384[01:54:45] <AlexLikeRock> echosystm, replaced-url
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452[02:20:34] <republican_devil> anyone here using postgresql 9.6?
453[02:20:40] <republican_devil> seems pretty nice
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485[02:34:03] <AlexLikeRock> republican_devil, i love MYSQL
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491[02:38:06] <turbo64> whats the deal with iceweasel being replaced by firefox-esr
492[02:38:15] <turbo64> i thought the mozilla branding was against debian's policy or w/e
493[02:38:19] <missmbob> mozilla stopped being stupid about it
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495[02:39:00] <missmbob> they finally allowed the use of their name. that it
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502[02:45:30] <missmbob> turbo64: if you're bored and want way more information that anyone could possibly want to know. see bug #815006
503[02:45:31] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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510[02:49:39] <turbo64> so like are they going to say "fuck it" wrt to the trademark thing
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512[02:50:01] <turbo64> i noticed icedove is still icedove
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516[02:51:30] <missmbob> turbo64: no not fuck it. mozilla have said that debian may use their trademark. we have permission. before we did not have permission to if we wanted to alter the code (which obviously we did)
517[02:51:38] <turbo64> oh i see
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520[02:52:39] <turbo64> i thought it was like a principle thing
521[02:52:57] <turbo64> like the debian ppl didnt want to have trademark branding in the packages
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523[02:53:01] <turbo64> i didnt know mozilla didnt allow it
524[02:53:13] <turbo64> which is kind of dumb on mozillas part but w/e
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528[02:53:41] <missmbob> their logo didn't use to be free, so that was a problem. now it is. but we couldn't even just switch the logo before and keep the firefox name.
529[02:54:11] <turbo64> yeah that makes sense
530[02:54:22] <turbo64> that ice weasel logo is pretty horrible though lol
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533[02:54:52] <Sia-> hi
534[02:55:02] <N9NU> can someone tell me whats contained all all of the three DVD
535[02:55:12] <Sia-> why your wiki bkocked all VPN users to visit the pages?
536[02:55:33] <N9NU> besides the standard.....is disc 2/3 extra apps and source?
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538[02:55:34] <Sia-> <p>You are not allowed to access this!</p>
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542[02:56:03] <missmbob> Sia-: a large portion of debian's sites have been down or malfunctioning all day.
543[02:56:07] <turbo64> if i copy all the settings in the user data folder on a thunderbird for windows installation to the icedove foldr on linux, will it work?
544[02:56:13] <missmbob> Sia-: dont know why. probably related.
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546[02:56:41] <Sia-> thanks missmbob
547[02:56:44] <missmbob> turbo64: no
548[02:57:39] <simonpatapon> abrotman, sonOfRa i found a workaround
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550[02:57:49] <simonpatapon> in /etc/pulse/client.conf
551[02:57:51] <simonpatapon> uncomment "Autospawn" line and changed it to "Autospawn = no"
552[02:59:02] <simonpatapon> gnome mixer is broken but i dont care
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554[02:59:11] <simonpatapon> thanks for your hints
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590[03:23:33] <jusss> how I can know who is trying or tried login my system with ssh or other way?
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592[03:23:58] <missmbob> it'll be in /var/log/auth.log
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594[03:24:33] <jusss> missmbob: and what else?
595[03:24:44] <missmbob> that's it
596[03:24:52] <jusss> oh I see, thanks
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600[03:27:45] <jusss> I see lots of this "Dec 4 18:25:01 callcc CRON[9925]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root" this is mean there's somebody tried login my system?
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603[03:28:48] <missmbob> no. it tells you it was a cron. just system maintance
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608[03:30:03] <jusss> but crontab -l got nothings,
609[03:30:09] <jusss> no crontab for me
610[03:30:24] <missmbob> narrow down what you want. ssh? sudo grep ssh /var/log/auth.log
611[03:30:25] <CutMeOwnThroat> there are things in /etc/cron.*
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616[03:31:42] <jusss> I see
617[03:32:06] <missmbob> and dont freak out that you have a million ssh attempts. that's normal
618[03:32:21] <jusss> ...
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620[03:32:39] <missmbob> they're bots doing dictionary attacks. and there are lots of them
621[03:32:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> "normal"
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624[03:34:04] <missmbob> !tell jusss about fail2ban
625[03:34:20] <missmbob> jusss: see what the bot sent you if you're worried
626[03:34:39] <jusss> missmbob: ok
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632[03:35:59] <nano_python> fail2ban, no root login, and good firewall rules will keep out all those kinds of attacks.
633[03:36:09] <nano_python> Use that setup on all my servers
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635[03:36:41] <missmbob> i only allow keys. where that's not possible you can require 2 factor auth for ssh
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638[03:37:45] <nano_python> Hmm, never used keys. Don't like the idea of storing that kind of access on my computer.
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640[03:38:32] <CutMeOwnThroat> you can set a password on your keys
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654[03:41:14] <nano_python> So key+pass is different than 2 factor right, never heard of 2 factor for ssh.
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658[03:42:14] <missmbob> yes. with 2 factor auth i need my phone. start up google authenticator and it gives me an every-changing 6 digit pin
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661[03:43:24] <CutMeOwnThroat> but you cannot type in keys from just anywhere
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663[03:44:11] <nano_python> Interesting, I'll have to look into that. Guessing the phone in question doesn't need internet access?
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665[03:44:31] <missmbob> nano_python: no it's time based. as long as the clock is right it works
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668[03:45:08] <nano_python> missmbob, Cool, thanks.
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711[04:12:33] <rue_shop3> I just installed stable and it wont boot, I think systemd is panicing about something but there is nothing in the logs to say what
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716[04:14:24] <rue_shop3> if stable dosn't work, all of debian must be broken
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719[04:15:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> if all of debian is broken, one cannot help you and so there is no point in answering
720[04:16:06] <rue_shop3> ok..
721[04:16:21] <CutMeOwnThroat> not?
722[04:16:31] <rue_shop3> after a systemctl default, I think its alive, but its persisting to boot to 'emergency mode'
723[04:17:22] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, systemd debugging
724[04:17:23] <dpkg> If you have a problem with systemd, see replaced-url
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727[04:19:49] <rue_shop3> there is a systemd-free branch of debian isn't there?
728[04:20:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> init.d type booting still exists in jessie
729[04:22:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> and there are derivatives like devuan which try to remove it completely
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937[06:20:42] <EnRobot> Hello all, what to when /var completely full? Clean or resize the partition? Sorry for asking the answer here.
938[06:21:09] <AlexLikeRock> you are in rigth zone to ask
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940[06:21:25] <AlexLikeRock> try , delete OLD LOGs
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942[06:21:37] <jercos> Depends on what it's full of, what size it is, and perhaps further personal questions relating to your answers to those questions.
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945[06:21:51] <jercos> but yeah, /var/log would be the first place to look for something to delete
946[06:22:05] <jercos> large log files filling up a disk is a classic issue :-\
947[06:22:44] <AlexLikeRock> EnRobot, you can monitoring by :
948[06:22:52] <AlexLikeRock> $ df -h
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956[06:25:18] <jercos> A classic option set to du with an amusing mnemonic is du -cks. sort -n will handle the numbers that produces nicely, so du -cks /var/* | sort -n will tell you the largest directories in /var, as well as the total used size
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960[06:25:56] <jercos> the total comes from -c, but "duks" is harder to remember than "ducks" :p
961[06:26:18] <jercos> but easier than DUKW. What were they thinking?
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964[06:26:39] <EnRobot> AlexLikeRock: /var directory 95% use
965[06:27:31] <EnRobot> I notice that /var directory reach the the space usage after do latest update
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968[06:27:55] <jercos> Ah, that might be the .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives/
969[06:28:08] <AlexLikeRock> # apt-get autoclean
970[06:28:14] <jercos> apt-get autoclean will get rid of any there that are outdated
971[06:28:17] <jercos> yeah
972[06:28:29] <jercos> apt-get clean will remove them all :D
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975[06:28:45] <jercos> which is harmless, but means you might have to redownload a package to uninstall it or something silly
976[06:28:47] <EnRobot> Yesza
977[06:28:54] <EnRobot> Solve the problem
978[06:29:01] <EnRobot> 👍🏻👍🏻
979[06:29:39] <AlexLikeRock> very good , friend
980[06:29:40] <EnRobot> Thanks guys easy method but need to ask you guys. So sorry.. anyway thanks for the help.
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982[06:30:09] <jercos> no problem :)
983[06:30:13] <AlexLikeRock> we are waiting for "ask's"
984[06:30:16] <AlexLikeRock> :-)
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1011[06:47:01] <awal1> I have a few hidden files in /home and I want to know which pkg have created them (for removal concerns, if not needed; after removing kde, gnome, mate and xfce). How can I know that?
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1013[06:47:52] <themill> packages never touch stuff in $HOME. When you run programs in packages, the program might.
1014[06:51:30] <n4dir1> if you first back them up you can remove in a fury
1015[06:52:03] <n4dir1> you wanna go for something like cp -a .[a-z,A-Z,0-9]* backup_folder
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1017[06:52:44] <awal1> themill: by pkgs I meant programs. for example I have the folder .pki/nssdb
1018[06:52:52] <awal1> I dont know what it is
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1023[06:53:33] <awal1> in nssdb i have this files cert9.db key4.db pkcs11.txt
1024[06:54:01] <awal1> I dont even knwo how to open .db files
1025[06:54:12] <themill> yeah, there's no way of knowing after the event what created files like that
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1031[06:56:40] <awal1> the content of pkcs11.txt is replaced-url
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1033[06:56:45] <awal1> what can be that?
1034[06:57:42] <awal1> n4dir1: yeah backup then check if created again running x program is a way yeah. in fact I want to understand stuff in /home also
1035[06:57:47] <xormor> what was the "irc gangsters" bs I received by spam? there must have been 100 different nicks and IP addresses spamming me that nonsense.
1036[06:58:23] <xormor> I started closing them one by one, but had to close the client and restart for the rest to close because I was too tired to click them all away.
1037[06:58:33] <xormor> anyone else receive "irc gangsters" spam?
1038[06:58:40] <n4dir1> awal1: if you enter nssdb in a searchengine, you will get results ( i can say for sure that i don't understand it, but hey?)
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1040[06:59:00] <pingfloyd> awal1: that directory is for nss
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1043[06:59:22] <n4dir1> as far it's me: if i can't figure out the puropse of a hidden home file, i usually leave it alone
1044[06:59:25] <pingfloyd> awal1: here's a few apps that use it replaced-url
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1048[07:00:06] <awal1> pingfloyd: ok, thanks.
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1050[07:00:58] <awal1> n4dir1, yeah, sorry i should have googled before ask about that file, but I haven't done it bcuz it was a spontaneous question, just an example about hidden stuff in home
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1053[07:01:20] <n4dir1> not sure if one can say it in this way: hidden home files are usually for per-user settings. And the default settings are usually stored somewhere (if no home setting file, the default system file will be used)
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1055[07:01:46] <awal1> my real objective is know how to know why X file/dir is there
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1057[07:01:55] <n4dir1> awal1: googling was not my point.
1058[07:01:55] <awal1> I thought there is a command line way
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1061[07:02:15] <Shadur> There really isn't.
1062[07:02:21] <n4dir1> oh. well: i sure have never heard of such a command (which doesn't say much ... )
1063[07:02:54] <Shadur> If you want to know why a specific hidden file or subdirectory exists, google is your best bet.
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1065[07:04:01] <awal1> ok, guys. thanks for your time
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1077[07:09:58] <pingfloyd> you can also try the man page of suspected application it belongs to
1078[07:10:09] <pingfloyd> they'll often list their associated files
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1091[07:14:10] <bubal> Hi! Im a new user of Debian and linux in general (just one week) and I'm facing a problem. When i double click on a pdf file, it runs imagemagick. I would like to set evince (for example) as the default application for opening that file extensions. So I right-clicked on the file, properties, open with, and I tried to set evince as the default application, but when I click on apply, nothing happens, imagemagick continues to be the default :(
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1093[07:14:30] <bubal> any other way to change it, or any way to fix this? thank you in advance
1094[07:14:40] <pingfloyd> bubal: that will be controlled by a setting in your file manager
1095[07:14:58] <pingfloyd> so how to fix, depends which file manager you're using
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1098[07:15:29] <pingfloyd> look for something like preferences or settings in the menu
1099[07:15:44] <bubal> ok, so, assuming I'm ussing debian jessie, and i didn't changed anything, which file manager am i using?
1100[07:16:12] <bubal> (by the way sorry for me english, i'm spanish, and i'm trying as hard as i can to speak well)
1101[07:16:15] <pingfloyd> another thing to look for is right-clicking and "open with other application" or the like
1102[07:16:32] <pingfloyd> then my guess is you're using nautilus
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1105[07:17:15] <bubal> when I do "open with another application" it lets me open it with evince, no problem, but no to set it as default
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1107[07:17:26] <pingfloyd> is there a checkbox in that dialog?
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1109[07:17:53] <bubal> no, it's not
1110[07:17:56] <pingfloyd> like "use as default" or the like
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1112[07:18:43] <bubal> when i go to "properties-> open with" im suposed to change it
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1114[07:18:55] <bubal> it's just that when i click on apply nothing changes
1115[07:18:59] <pingfloyd> try right-click and properties on the file
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1117[07:19:27] <bubal> that's what im saying
1118[07:19:38] <bubal> if I right-click on the file
1119[07:19:40] <bubal> properties
1120[07:19:43] <bubal> open with
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1122[07:19:52] <bubal> a list is shown
1123[07:20:14] <bubal> I click on evince, but when I click on "set as deffault" nothing happens
1124[07:22:43] <bubal> imagemagicks keeps on being on top, as "default application" and evince and others is in "recommended applications"
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1126[07:23:44] <bubal> btw thank you for your help
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1129[07:24:48] <pingfloyd> I don't use gnome, so not sure why it isn't working like it should. But here's a manual way to change it replaced-url
1130[07:24:56] <bubal> (i've checked and yes, I'm using nautilus)
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1132[07:25:12] <bubal> ok, I'll read it, thank you
1133[07:25:19] <pingfloyd> I'd find the mime entry for that file and remove it, then see if nautilus will prompt for application and stick
1134[07:25:42] <pingfloyd> might also look in the control center
1135[07:25:46] <bubal> i don't know what mime entry means
1136[07:25:53] <pingfloyd> there may be some applet you can set that in one place
1137[07:26:21] <n4dir1> bubal: look for example here (as far "don't know what mime means"): replaced-url
1138[07:26:24] <bubal> oh, i see you are talking about the link
1139[07:26:28] <pingfloyd> bubal: a way of identifying file types basically
1140[07:26:42] <n4dir1> gotta say that i never did such. there was always a gui way to set the default app
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1143[07:27:15] <pingfloyd> gui way is easier and less error prone
1144[07:27:21] <bubal> yes, I understand that the "usual" gui way, to do it is what I was doing, but i isn't working
1145[07:27:29] <pingfloyd> if in doubt, make a copy of the file before editing it by hand
1146[07:27:56] <pingfloyd> then you can always revert back if a mess happens for some reason
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1149[07:28:57] <n4dir1> bubal: yeah, i got that, but pingfloyd also mentioned the gnome control center
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1151[07:29:07] <n4dir1> (weird enough that it doesn't work, btw)
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1153[07:29:40] <bubal> I can take a video of the thing and upload it to youtube if you want XD
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1155[07:30:02] <bubal> ok, I'm reading the link from askubuntu
1156[07:30:10] <n4dir1> wait a second, there is also "updated-alternatives" ...
1157[07:30:16] <pingfloyd> bubal: the link I gave may be outdated
1158[07:30:26] <pingfloyd> bubal: see that link n4dir1 gave for other possible locations for that file
1159[07:30:50] <awal1> bubal: are you sure they are pdf ?
1160[07:31:20] <bubal> mmm almost sure...
1161[07:31:25] <bubal> i can read them with evince
1162[07:31:37] <bubal> they are named finishin .pdf
1163[07:31:46] <bubal> i was reading them in windows as pdfs ...
1164[07:31:56] <bubal> at least they act as pdfs XD
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1168[07:33:21] <awal1> bubal: update-alternatives --get-selections doesn't list anything related to pdf, imagemagick and evice there too, right?
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1171[07:33:53] <bubal> let me see
1172[07:34:04] <n4dir1> thanks awal1 i was shooting in the dark
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1174[07:34:34] <awal1> heh?
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1178[07:35:55] <bubal> awal1 it doesnt appear
1179[07:36:06] <bubal> nothing about pdf nor imagemagick
1180[07:36:18] * n4dir1 didn't know how to check if pdf is somewhow sorted by update-altrnatives, nor how to check it
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1182[07:36:44] <n4dir1> s/sorted/controlled
1183[07:36:58] <bubal> (I must suposed it, because the other day i think I ran some command of update-alternatives, that listed all of them, offering me the options, but this wasnt)
1184[07:37:05] <awal1> I know it waasn't a nice suggestion,b but I thought in it , so I suggested it :P
1185[07:37:33] <n4dir1> i am always for the brutal force method (try anything, until it works)
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1187[07:37:59] <bubal> so... is it good or bad that it doesnt' appear? (or isn't related)
1188[07:38:09] <awal1> n4dir1, I know what kind of stuff are related with up. alt.
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1190[07:38:27] <n4dir1> bubal: i was only guessing. for some stuff you can set alternatives with update-alternatives, but here not.
1191[07:39:03] <n4dir1> so neither good nor bad. something we don't have to think about anymore :-)
1192[07:39:12] <awal1> :D
1193[07:39:26] <bubal> xD ok
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1198[07:42:24] <bubal> by the way, in "all configurations - system - details " you cant change it either
1199[07:42:32] <bubal> (it was my first choice)
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1204[07:45:34] <awal1> bubal: what says xdg-mime query default application/pdf ?
1205[07:45:42] <bubal> let me see
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1207[07:46:28] <bubal> evince.desktop
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1209[07:46:29] <bubal> :|
1210[07:47:23] <n4dir1> good luck bubal. sure a shitty problem. i gotta run.
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1212[07:47:28] <bubal> xD
1213[07:47:34] <bubal> by n4dir1
1214[07:47:37] <bubal> bye*
1215[07:47:42] <awal1> :| ?
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1217[07:47:45] <bubal> and thank you for your time
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1219[07:47:52] <bubal> :| is my facial expresion
1220[07:48:02] <awal1> oh
1221[07:48:04] <bubal> when I see that it says
1222[07:48:05] <awal1> ok
1223[07:48:05] <bubal> evince.desktop
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1225[07:48:37] <awal1> so your default app for open pdf files is effectively evince
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1228[07:49:14] <awal1> why nautilus opens them with imagemagick, no clue :D
1229[07:49:19] <bubal> I think the problem comes from imagemagick, because it does strange things, when I double click by error, and imagemagick is launched, the full pc is almost blocked
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1231[07:49:33] <bubal> and from that point it runs slow
1232[07:50:06] <bubal> and also, in the applications menu, imagemagick is the only one that doesnt show an icon, but the "runnable" icon
1233[07:50:20] <bubal> XD thank you for your time awal1
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1235[07:51:47] <awal1> imagemagick comes by default with gnome desktop task?
1236[07:51:51] <awal1> buba
1237[07:51:56] <awal1> bubal
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1240[07:53:49] <bubal> sorry
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1242[07:54:05] <bubal> I didn't install imagemagick
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1244[07:54:11] <bubal> so I suppose
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1246[07:54:15] <dn4> Is there a debian system that is downloadable that doesn't use d-bus?
1247[07:55:03] <awal1> bubal: check #debian-gnome
1248[07:55:13] <bubal> ok, thank you awal1
1249[07:56:13] <awal1> bubal: an eventual fixe/way is: install pcmanfm and check if it lets you make evince as default
1250[07:56:38] <awal1> it does for me, for anything I want
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1252[07:56:45] <bubal> what is pcmanfm?
1253[07:57:03] <awal1> aptitude show pcmanfm
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1255[07:58:03] <bubal> ( I think I found someone with my very same problem)
1256[07:58:06] <somiaj> dn4: use it in what way? I use a minimial wm and dbus runs but I just ignore it and probabaly dont' use any of its features.
1257[07:58:25] <bubal> replaced-url
1258[07:58:31] <dn4> no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no somiaj
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1260[07:58:39] <dn4> I mean any code that has d-bus is not even in the system
1261[07:58:50] <dn4> does debian have an OS with out d-bus ?
1262[07:59:07] <somiaj> dn4: since dbus is a standard package it is suggested you run it in debian.
1263[07:59:10] <somiaj> !dauvan
1264[07:59:21] <somiaj> !devuan
1265[07:59:22] <dpkg> Devuan (replaced-url
1266[07:59:47] <somiaj> dn4: that isn't debian or supported here, but maybe they are avoiding dbus with systemd.
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1268[08:00:42] <dn4> nah d-bus was redhat made
1269[08:00:49] <dn4> thus debian is not using redhat shit
1270[08:00:56] <dn4> welcome to the 90s
1271[08:01:05] <dn4> thanks for letting me know about devaun
1272[08:01:17] <dn4> not = now
1273[08:01:41] <dn4> debian you were soooo close to being free, but you managed to get involved; RIP
1274[08:02:08] <dn4> *debian is infected*
1275[08:02:57] <jim> hi... is it possible to build hexchat-2.12.3-3 on a jessie machine?
1276[08:03:33] <missmbob> ,checkbackport hexchat
1277[08:03:34] <judd> Backporting package hexchat in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, jessie-backports.
1278[08:04:04] <dn4> The US government infected debian by systemd's use of d-bus a backdoor inter-process communication method of knowing everything. RIP
1279[08:04:06] <somiaj> dn4: this is offtopic here. you may be able to remove dbus, but it might depend on if you use software that depends on it (in terms of the debian package). If so you may find yourself rebuilding software to not depend on it. I would check devuan, I personally gave up trying to avoid dbus a while ago, I just let it quietly run in the background and ignore it.
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1281[08:04:17] <jim> it's complaining about debhelper
1282[08:04:45] <dn4> fuck d-bus
1283[08:04:46] <somiaj> jim: maybe paste the actuall error(s) you are getting at paste.debian.net
1284[08:04:46] <missmbob> jim: note it said "using jessie, jessie-backports" - you have to have jessie-backports
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1287[08:05:33] <jim> judd, v hexchat
1288[08:05:34] <judd> Package: hexchat on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 2.10.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.10.1-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 2.12.0-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.12.3-0.1; sid: 2.12.3-3
1289[08:05:37] <missmbob> jim: with jessie-backports in sources (after apt update) do apt-get build-dep hexchat -t jessie-backports
1290[08:05:47] <jim> yeah, got that one
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1295[08:06:31] <jim> I'd like to get as new as 2.12.2 as it has a feature I need
1296[08:06:42] <missmbob> you didnt understand a thing i said
1297[08:06:54] <jim> are you sure
1298[08:06:59] <jim> ?
1299[08:07:05] <missmbob> you get debhelper from jessie-backports
1300[08:07:13] <jim> oh, ok
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1303[08:07:36] <missmbob> that's what the command build-dep with -t jessie-backports will do
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1320[08:13:59] <jim> ok, yeah, it brought in the new debhelper from backports... but, the build is still failing
1321[08:14:20] <missmbob> did you do build-dep with jessie-backports or did you just get debhelper?
1322[08:14:48] <jim> I got the backports one (it wouldn't have installed anything otherwise)
1323[08:14:52] <bubal> awal1, solved, I modified de mimeapps.list thank you a lot to all of you
1324[08:14:59] <missmbob> fuck man. i give up.
1325[08:15:29] <awal1> bubal: good 4 u
1326[08:17:12] <jim> I did get debhelper from backports, and -then- tried to get the build-deps from backports, which didn't install anything
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1331[08:17:46] <jim> I'm not a debian developer, maybe you could cut me a break here
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1334[08:19:14] <jim> so, back to my original question: is it possible to build hexchat_2.12.3-3 (which is the sid version)?
1335[08:19:25] <jim> on a jessie machine
1336[08:20:17] <missmbob> i am cutting you a break. i'm compiling it myself
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1338[08:20:42] <jim> which debian are you running? stable?
1339[08:21:00] <missmbob> yes. i'm not going to give you something for sid when you said you wanted jessie
1340[08:21:25] <missmbob> jim: replaced-url
1341[08:21:48] <jim> what was required to do the build?
1342[08:21:56] <missmbob> the exactly steps i said
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1368[08:29:26] <jim> after upgrading debhelper from backports, I tried your command, which didn't install anything: replaced-url
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1438[08:56:11] <jim> missmbob, thanks, I'll use your binaries until I figure out why the hell my installation can't build it
1439[08:56:40] <jim> let's try it...
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1449[09:00:10] <afidegnum> hello, on debian jessie, ifup br0 Ignoring unknown interface br0=br0.
1450[09:00:20] <afidegnum> what's the correct command to use?
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1455[09:02:36] <jim> is there a fix for CVE-2016-8655? (replaced-url
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1457[09:03:49] <missmbob> jim not yet in debian replaced-url
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1461[09:06:01] <armin> oh wow, i can "systemd-resolve gateway" but get an NXDOMAIN when doing "host gateway"
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1463[09:06:28] <armin> systemd is always good for some morning fun when getting in the office
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1466[09:08:13] <Shadur> armin: Looks like systemd-resolve explicitly also checks /etc/hosts, which the host command doesn't.
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1476[09:13:19] <armin> Shadur: also a nice thing, but what i was referencing to was resolving "gateway", which systemd obviously auto-assigns as a name to my gateway-adresses.
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1489[09:19:16] <jaggz> how do I restart my wlan0?
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1491[09:19:21] <darxmurf> hi all
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1493[09:19:43] <jaggz> every once in a while my wifi drops and won't reconnect -- until, say, I sleep the computer and bring it back -- wifi pops right back up instantly
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1497[09:20:19] <paul_grozav> Hello, guys, I know it's possible to install a package from testing, but I'm not sure how to install the latest gcc from testing on my existing system. Any idea?
1498[09:20:48] <armin> jaggz: have you had a look if you're using powersaving for your wifi adapter? could be a starting point for further investigation.
1499[09:21:18] <jelly> jim: are you using or hosted inside a container where user ns are used, to be affected?
1500[09:21:18] <DriesS> Hi, I have a beaglebone and when I insert my sd card and write something to it and remove it again the changes are not saved on the sd card. Probably because the sd card was not unmounted before removing. Is there a solution for this?
1501[09:21:27] <missmbob> paul_grozav: no that wouldn't work with gcc
1502[09:21:55] <armin> paul_grozav: replaced-url
1503[09:22:06] <missmbob> paul_grozav: you mixing gcc from testing in stable will break a lot of things.
1504[09:22:16] <armin> paul_grozav: but as missmbob just points out, that's not a good idea.
1505[09:22:17] <paul_grozav> missmbob: Then how can I use the GCC 6 from testing? I'm willing to install a new VM, just to have it :)
1506[09:22:19] <jelly> jim: (not a default setting in debian, see the security tracker note at the bottom)
1507[09:22:19] <missmbob> paul_grozav: if you do that we wont be able to support you in here
1508[09:22:30] <jaggz> armin, hmm.. no..
1509[09:22:35] <missmbob> paul_grozav: you dont
1510[09:22:37] <jim> jelly, not sure I understand the question... what's a user ns?
1511[09:22:45] <jelly> jim: user namespaces
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1513[09:23:15] <missmbob> paul_grozav: if you *need* gcc 6 you install testing. you dont mix testing and stable
1514[09:23:32] <jaggz> armin, looking into it. I'm on AC though, and it happens while I'm working on the computer
1515[09:23:33] <paul_grozav> missmbob: OK, great, I'll install it. How ? :) is there a special ISO ? :)
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1518[09:24:00] <missmbob> paul_grozav: they do but you probably dont want to use it.
1519[09:24:05] <missmbob> !tell paul_grozav about debian-next
1520[09:24:07] <jaggz> armin, iwconfig says power management is off on my wlan0
1521[09:24:08] <jelly> jaggz: user ns are a backend functionality for various container solutions (lxc, docker, probably others), and it's known to be full of holes like this one
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1523[09:24:15] <missmbob> !tell paul_grozav about jessie->stretch
1524[09:24:15] <jelly> er, jim ^
1525[09:24:18] <jaggz> jelly, hello :)
1526[09:24:24] <jelly> sorry bout that
1527[09:24:26] <jaggz> nice to see you again
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1529[09:24:43] <paul_grozav> missmbob: Thank you :)
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1532[09:25:07] <missmbob> paul_grozav: remember go to #debian-next on oftc for support, not here
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1534[09:25:20] <jelly> jim: if you run debian on a physical machine or inside a full virtualization, you don't have to care
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1540[09:26:07] <jelly> (well, unless the host also runs some containers)
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1542[09:26:38] <jim> physical machine here...
1543[09:26:59] <jaggz> armin, someone said it probably gets a state setting changed and doesn't clear it until the interface is reset (like from sleeping/coming back)
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1548[09:27:48] <jelly> jim: so unless you or a script intentionally chaged the relevant setting, you don't have to care
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1550[09:28:23] <darxmurf> hum why my "nagios" user can't get all partitions usage with "df" ?
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1553[09:28:39] <jelly> darxmurf: which debian release?
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1558[09:29:30] <darxmurf> jessie
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1560[09:29:55] <jelly> darxmurf: do you see anything missing in "df" output run as normal user?
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1562[09:30:32] <jaggz> how do I know what options a kernel module takes? I want to see the rt2800pci options...
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1566[09:31:21] <darxmurf> jelly: with df as normal user I don't have all the LVM
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1568[09:31:30] <darxmurf> with root I see everything
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1570[09:31:52] <jaggz> others have tried adding fwlps=0 to their module, but it's a different one than mine
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1573[09:32:13] <darxmurf> hmmm with df -a as normal user I see all but not the size/free/usage
1574[09:32:28] <jelly> darxmurf: weird. how were they mounted? Do you have any bind mounts in place?
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1582[09:34:34] <darxmurf> mounted in fstab with classic options: xfs rw,noatime,attr2,inode64,noquota 0 0
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1594[09:38:26] <darxmurf> hum, on another machine I can logon and df without problem Oo
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1609[09:49:56] <jim> might as well try to figure this out... any idea how I can find out why my jessie won't build hexchat_2.12.3-3?
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1612[09:50:11] <jim> another jessie built it fine
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1614[09:50:47] <jercos> got logs of the build?
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1616[09:50:59] <jim> sec
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1620[09:53:34] <dionysus69> how do i downgrade to libssl1.0.0 package? I cant install package because I have 1.0.1 installed atm
1621[09:53:47] <dionysus69> cant install skype*
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1629[09:57:28] <jim> jercos, build logs here: replaced-url
1630[09:57:33] <darxmurf> skype is pretty outdated on linux :-/
1631[09:58:15] <jim> if skype is outadated, what's inundated?
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1633[09:59:19] <jim> or do you mean that linux skype is older than win skype?
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1636[10:00:29] <jim> jercos, did the log come out?
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1646[10:04:05] <darxmurf> jim: I mean they did not update it since ages
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1649[10:04:34] <jim> yeah you're right about that
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1654[10:04:58] <dionysus69> ye linux skype is pretty much a rotten peace of software
1655[10:04:59] <darxmurf> and they don't care :D
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1659[10:05:55] <dionysus69> I am using skype for web for now but it is buggy
1660[10:06:15] <dionysus69> I wish "standard" chatting software in the world were not proprietary
1661[10:06:34] <monsune> how can you even chat on skype? it's awful
1662[10:07:36] <darxmurf> well, if just for text it's more less fine
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1664[10:07:54] <monsune> i just don't like the looks at all
1665[10:08:09] <darxmurf> ah nop me neither :D
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1688[10:17:12] <darxmurf> well well well, no idea why I can't see mounted partitions when I "df" from a user account ?!
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1704[10:22:45] <afidegnum> hello good morning, while on dedicated server with raid with 30TB but while doing a new installation, i found myself with only less than 1TB here is structure, replaced-url
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1711[10:27:29] <darxmurf> afidegnum: your raid is initialized ?
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1713[10:28:08] <afidegnum> darxmurf: ??
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1717[10:29:41] <jelly> afidegnum: your paste does not show 30T of disk space
1718[10:29:59] <afidegnum> hmm, that's also another issue,
1719[10:30:07] <afidegnum> on my subscription, i have EX40-Hybrid (30 TB) #465193
1720[10:30:08] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1721[10:30:15] <jelly> afidegnum: it shows two OS disks and two disks of 2TB
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1723[10:31:11] <jelly> afidegnum: ask hetzner whether they actually provisioned the hw you're paying for
1724[10:31:29] <afidegnum> wow
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1728[10:32:08] <colo-work> afidegnum, paste the output of `lsblk`
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1737[10:33:57] <jelly> pastebin*
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1739[10:34:39] <afidegnum> replaced-url
1740[10:35:25] <afidegnum> ok ok, it's rather 2TB
1741[10:35:29] <afidegnum> i didn't read it well
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1747[10:37:30] <darxmurf> afidegnum: my question was wrong, sorry, as it's a dedicated machine you don't manage the RAID yourself :-)
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1752[10:38:35] <mmmm> Can my computer run KDE Debian? replaced-url
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1758[10:40:37] <afidegnum> so how do i use the disks effectively ?
1759[10:40:54] <afidegnum> so if i understand well, i should be having a usable 2TB right ?
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1762[10:41:06] <afidegnum> or 1?
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1765[10:42:34] <darxmurf> mmmm: yes
1766[10:43:05] <darxmurf> afidegnum: depends what you want to do ...
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1769[10:43:41] <afidegnum> are you familiar with hetzner ?
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1771[10:44:14] <darxmurf> not at all
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1773[10:44:21] <darxmurf> what do you have with : cat /proc/mdstat
1774[10:44:23] <darxmurf> ?
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1778[10:45:40] <jelly> afidegnum: if you have root, you can use the available space (2x240G, 2x2T) how you see fit
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1781[10:46:06] <jelly> it's present, just not partitioned or allocated completely
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1819[10:58:14] <afidegnum> hello can you pleae look into my config files?
1820[10:58:17] <afidegnum> replaced-url
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1822[10:58:42] <afidegnum> replaced-url
1823[10:58:57] <afidegnum> replaced-url
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1827[10:59:25] <afidegnum> what settings do i apply to change the HDD size?
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1829[10:59:39] <afidegnum> because when i left it default that's where i have those sizes
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1839[11:04:09] <afidegnum> any insight?
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1847[11:05:53] <darxmurf> huh, for my df problem, here is the answer !
1848[11:05:58] <darxmurf> Verify that the user has at least 'execute' permission on all parent directories of the mount, and add execute permission to those directories as necessary.
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1860[11:11:15] <_Nox> Hello beautiful people
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1865[11:12:57] <darxmurf> afidegnum: depends what you want to do with your machine, if you want raid or not and all
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1900[11:25:40] <afidegnum> darxmurf: can you plesae help explainig the raid level? and what will be the allocated size after RAID is assigned?
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1904[11:26:26] <darxmurf> RAID 1 = mirroring, if you make a RAID 1 with 2x2Tb the final volume will be 2Tb and you can lose one disk
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1908[11:27:12] <darxmurf> RAID 0 = stripping, if you make a RAID 0 with 2x2Tb the final volume will be 4Tb but if where is anything wrong with one of the 2 disks you lose everything
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1910[11:27:53] <darxmurf> you can't use RAID 5,6 with your config as you need minimum 3 disks with same size
1911[11:28:09] <darxmurf> RAID 10 is RAID0+RAID1 combined but you need 4 disks with same size
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1915[11:31:12] <darxmurf> afidegnum: replaced-url
1916[11:31:14] <darxmurf> :)
1917[11:31:45] <afidegnum> yes, i do understand the concetp of raid,
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1919[11:32:03] <afidegnum> but i want to find out how do i configure the system
1920[11:32:12] <darxmurf> aaah ok
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1923[11:34:27] <darxmurf> if it's an automated install I don't know
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1925[11:34:39] <afidegnum> yes, it's an automated installation
1926[11:34:41] <darxmurf> but there are some info in the conf file I think
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1928[11:34:55] <afidegnum> but it brings the config file to apply the settings before continuing
1929[11:35:10] <darxmurf> yep I can't help with that, sorry
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1936[11:39:16] <ceegee> hi
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1938[11:40:23] <ceegee> does preseed work with a https connection?
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1951[11:45:54] <afidegnum> after installation, this is what i have, i still dont' understand replaced-url
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1977[11:57:24] <indistylo> is there any IRC client for debian/ linux which can remember list of channels like LimeChat IRC client, Everytime I dont have to search for channel and join it. Any suggestion or work around that can be done to solve this problem with xchat or any other IRC client
1978[11:58:02] <bazhang> hexchat
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1981[11:58:39] <bazhang> add them to the autojoin once you have found them
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1984[11:59:25] <bazhang> indistylo, you are getting answers in other channels, why ask here too
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1987[12:00:10] <teraflops> indistylo: you better switch to hexchat. it's a sane replacement for the old xchat
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1991[12:00:48] <bazhang> what version of debian is that indistylo
1992[12:00:58] <indistylo> bazhang, +others I am using both distro debian and ubuntu, hence both channels.
1993[12:01:02] <bazhang> ,v hexchat
1994[12:01:03] <judd> Package: hexchat on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 2.10.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.10.1-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 2.12.0-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.12.3-0.1; sid: 2.12.3-3
1995[12:01:05] <indistylo> Wheezy
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1998[12:01:41] <bazhang> so install hexchat indistylo
1999[12:01:44] <turbo64> how safe is it currently to upgrade to testing
2000[12:02:05] <bazhang> turbo64, it's testing, so never stable
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2002[12:02:23] <bazhang> turbo64, discussion of testing is in the topic here
2003[12:02:25] <themill> that quite obviously depends on your definition of 'safe' so only you know that
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2005[12:02:51] <teraflops> indistylo: you mean dist-upgrade from wheezy to testing?
2006[12:03:15] <turbo64> yeah im always worried im going to break everything when i do that
2007[12:03:20] <missmbob> turbo64: they've been going through a rough xorg 1.19 transition. broke x for a lot of people.
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2010[12:03:26] <bazhang> that was another user teraflops , turbo64
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2012[12:03:38] <turbo64> xorg is horrible
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2014[12:03:44] <teraflops> oh heh
2015[12:04:08] <turbo64> if xfce worked in wayland i would abandon x forever
2016[12:04:28] <teraflops> the freeze is comming. good times for doing testing
2017[12:04:42] <turbo64> what exactly is the freeze
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2019[12:05:00] <turbo64> is that when they stop all the changes
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2021[12:05:06] <turbo64> and prepare to release it
2022[12:05:08] <turbo64> ?
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2024[12:05:18] <teraflops> yeah sort of
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2027[12:06:05] <teraflops> release get freezed then they start to fix bugs till is enough at least to become the next stable release
2028[12:06:23] <teraflops> enough stable *
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2077[12:28:49] <ens0> hello
2078[12:29:03] <ens0> do you know of a reliable debian mirror in India? I'm trying to install a debian on a friend's computer in a remote place of Himachal Pradessh
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2080[12:30:04] <missmbob> ens0: this lists 3 in india replaced-url
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2083[12:31:15] <choice> Hello! When doing "dig somedomain.com" - is it possible to query the authoritive nameserver dirctly to avoid a cached result?
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2086[12:32:59] <ewook> choice: dig @SERVER ?
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2088[12:33:20] <ens0> missmbob, thanks
2089[12:33:20] <choice> ewook: Yes, that seems to work.
2090[12:33:29] <choice> ewook: Strangely, I still get no answer section. Even though I have added an entry for the given host.
2091[12:33:49] <ewook> choice: dig @server -t A domain.name
2092[12:34:01] <choice> Will it take time until namecheaps nameservers serve the entries you put into the web interface?
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2094[12:34:36] <ewook> choice: no idea about that provider, but yes, there's usually a lag of updating auth's.
2095[12:34:37] <missmbob> yes. most hosts update every 15 minutes. they vary.
2096[12:34:42] <choice> ewook: Same result as far as I can see.
2097[12:34:49] <choice> missmbob: Oh! Interesting.
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2099[12:36:01] <choice> Technology... it's still mostly hot air and duct tape.
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2104[12:36:56] <ewook> choice: or mostly on a schedule :).
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2107[12:38:06] <choice> Why that 15 minute delay?
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2112[12:39:44] <ewook> choice: because reloading zones for every update would make it reload every second or worse.
2113[12:40:24] <choice> It is one giant text file for all host names the server is responsible for?
2114[12:40:25] <ewook> choice: and possibly that that web interface writes it to one location, and the DNS-servers picks it up on a 15 min schedule.
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2117[12:40:47] <ewook> choice: normally there's a zone file for each zone yes.
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2119[12:41:11] <choice> Why don't they hold it in a DB and update individual rows?
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2124[12:42:18] <missmbob> ask them
2125[12:42:21] <missmbob> !ot
2126[12:42:21] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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2129[12:43:18] <turbo64> they say that order derives from chaos
2130[12:43:37] <turbo64> so maybe we should be as off topic as we can to bring order to the channel
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2132[12:44:21] <missmbob> ewook: per namecheap's own dns faq: "2. Once A record has been updated, wait up to 30 minutes and change the nameservers for your domain. "
2133[12:44:30] <Epakai> is there some way to have a unique keyboard layout for my bluetooth keyboard?
2134[12:45:03] <ewook> missmbob: choice ^
2135[12:45:08] <choice> missmbob: That sentence makes no sense to me.
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2137[12:45:31] <choice> missmbob: I shall wait 30 minutes and then change the nameservers?
2138[12:45:32] <missmbob> choice: it's a capital A. it's a dns entry.
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2140[12:45:50] <choice> missmbob: I use CNAME entries.
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2142[12:45:56] <choice> Pointing to a CDN.
2143[12:45:58] <missmbob> i'm going to cry
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2146[12:46:10] <missmbob> it doesnt matter. they update every 30 min. if you have other questions ask their support
2147[12:46:32] <choice> I will use the time wisely. By reading Reddit.
2148[12:46:36] <ewook> choice: either way - wait up till 30 mins until the new entry is in place.
2149[12:46:42] <ewook> done.
2150[12:46:47] <choice> ewook: Ok, we will see.
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2153[12:47:20] <missmbob> i hope *we* do not
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2197[13:08:28] <monsune> hm... Your DNS record must have an answer.
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2199[13:08:51] <monsune> an answer? just setting up a simple A in the zone
2200[13:09:29] <monsune> does anyone know what answer means in the context of DNS?
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2206[13:11:26] <bezaban> monsune: I would assume a record yes
2207[13:11:36] <bezaban> that matches the request
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2215[13:13:47] <choice> Yay, the CNAME arrived!
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2253[13:35:30] <Jonno_FTW> hello
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2256[13:37:16] <Jonno_FTW> i get the following error when starting pulseaudio: /usr/local/bin/pulseaudio: error while loading shared libraries: libwebrtc_audio_processing.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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2271[13:43:03] <missmbob> you installed pulseaudio out of repo
2272[13:43:12] <missmbob> pretty sure you're not going to get much help with that
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2274[13:44:43] <Jonno_FTW> :/
2275[13:45:08] <Jonno_FTW> missmbob: how do I go back to normal pulseaudio?
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2279[13:45:34] <DexterF> does setting up a Raspbian mirror work the same as a debian mirror? deb mirror wikis apply?
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2281[13:45:53] <missmbob> !raspbian
2282[13:45:53] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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2284[13:46:26] <missmbob> Jonno_FTW: i have no idea how to properly remove a manually installed pulseaudio. i doubt the source comes with make uninstall
2285[13:46:38] <missmbob> Jonno_FTW: that's why you dont do such things in debian
2286[13:46:51] <Jonno_FTW> I don't think I did that, pretty sure I installed from the repo
2287[13:47:04] <missmbob> Jonno_FTW: you didn't. it wouldn't have put it there
2288[13:47:25] <Jonno_FTW> I changed from stable to unstable at one point, could that have done it?
2289[13:47:26] <jelly> Jonno_FTW: well, just do not use the one in /usr/local/bin ?
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2293[13:47:38] <missmbob> Jonno_FTW: no
2294[13:47:50] <missmbob> !tell Jonno_FTW about debian-next
2295[13:47:53] <jelly> use the pulseaudio binary in /usr/bin instead, and ignore the manually built one
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2297[13:48:23] <Jonno_FTW> ok I have no idea why I have two pulseaudios
2298[13:48:53] <missmbob> if you really dont think you did it, reinstall
2299[13:48:57] <themill> Things don't appear in /usr/local/ on their own ;)
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2301[13:49:34] <Jonno_FTW> I've reinstalled it, which -a puts /usr/local firsth though
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2304[13:50:38] <missmbob> debian will never put repo things in /usr/local and i meant reinstall debian, not the package
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2308[13:52:37] <Jonno_FTW> guess i'll do that
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2310[13:52:47] <jelly> you can always "chmod -x /usr/local/bin/pulseaudio" or "mv /usr/local/bin/pulseaudio /usr/local/bin/pulseaudio.verybadDoNotUse"
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2312[13:53:13] <Jonno_FTW> i tried running the one from /usr/bin and got a segfault
2313[13:53:20] <n4dir> you can do pretty much anything, but the thing you should do is reinstall debian.
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2318[13:55:10] <Jonno_FTW> reinstalling wont wipe my /home partition right?
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2320[13:55:46] <missmbob> depends how careful you are with the installer
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2322[13:56:25] <Jonno_FTW> my / partition is mounted as /media/usb0 ...
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2500[15:17:26] <DexterF> webserver newbie question: installing nginx-light (I only need to serve some files) I get "systemd[1]: Failed to start A high performance web server and a reverse proxy server."
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2502[15:18:02] <DexterF> aah, wait... could not bind port 80, already in use. clashes with something else
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2513[15:24:26] <cylince> hey folks.. i'm having a few issues with raid 10 array on deb system
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2515[15:24:52] <cylince> i'm fairly new so i'm hoping someone can help me find the problem here.
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2520[15:25:17] <cylince> i have 4 1TB HDs in a raid10 array
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2528[15:26:20] <cylince> and just about every week a drive/disk fails out(removed) from the array and causes some bootup issues.
2529[15:26:42] <DexterF> trying to ssh to root@deb8box I get Permission denied, I triple checked on a root shell on target that it is properly set. same terminal. pointers?
2530[15:26:47] <cylince> i don't know where to look or what to diagnose..??
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2533[15:27:11] <evilman_work> cylince: smartctl -a /dev/<drive> , smartctl -t long /dev/<drive>
2534[15:27:25] <cylince> DexterF root is not allowed ssh
2535[15:27:29] <chomwitt2> hi from greece
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2538[15:27:57] <WormFood> What is the option for aptitude search, for it to search through the descriptions, instead of the name of the package? I just can't remember it.
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2540[15:28:05] <cylince> By default, Debian 8 has now killed your ability to log into root via SSH directly. This was done for security reasons.
2541[15:28:07] <DexterF> cylince: changeable?
2542[15:28:09] <WormFood> chomwitt2, greetings from China :P
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2545[15:28:36] <cylince> replaced-url
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2547[15:29:03] <n4dir> uh, DexterF ssh as user, su to root, edit sshd_conf, restart ssh. Round the lines of that
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2549[15:29:09] <WormFood> login as a normal user, then su to root. This is a common security practice, and is actually good.
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2551[15:29:21] <DexterF> cylince: thanks
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2554[15:29:40] <n4dir> though if being able to ssh as root is a different question.
2555[15:29:52] <n4dir> if that is necessary.
2556[15:29:56] <WormFood> DexterF, I recommend you don't change it, and ssh in with "sudo su -" as your command.
2557[15:29:57] <DexterF> well, I need to scp over things from one root to another, so...
2558[15:30:14] <DrBunsen> Hello, I just found a way to crash gnome, you just gotta move the VMbox window through the gnome window manager when it is cloning a VM, where do I report that?
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2560[15:30:30] <n4dir> yeah, for that i haven't found a better solution myself (though i use rsync, but that doesn't matter)
2561[15:30:38] <WormFood> I just use netcat and tar in cases where I need a quick 'n dirty file transfer. scp is more overhead than what I need.
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2563[15:30:59] <WormFood> cryptcat can be used in place of netcat, if I need it to be encrypted.
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2567[15:31:35] <jelly> scp is ssh + a shell for "overhead"
2568[15:31:58] <cylince> evilman_work care to explain what those cmds do?
2569[15:32:03] <WormFood> I just don't use scp
2570[15:32:18] <jelly> that's sane for other reasons ;-)
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2572[15:32:40] <jelly> tar | ssh tar is a similar hack
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2576[15:32:44] <DexterF> it gets the job doen very easily
2577[15:32:56] <evilman_work> cylince: it's to check the S.M.A.R.T. statistics and run the selftesting of disk
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2579[15:33:04] <n4dir> not sure what is not-easy bout rsync ...
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2582[15:33:51] <cylince> can i run that when a disk/device is flagged 'removed/faulty'
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2599[15:37:02] <t4nk284> Hi everybody; i've a question, i need to install google-pagespeed on a wheezy production server, the problem is that i need libc6 >= 2.14, and that to upgrade it to a superior than the official 2.13 version, i need to uninstall the locales packages.
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2606[15:37:43] <chomwitt2> can debian being used as a ligthweigth dist (by choosing carefully what gui to install) or a lightweigt dist like puppy or lubuntu is more tailored and more is needed that just choosing a ligth desktop in order to achieve minimum footprint
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2608[15:38:10] <t4nk284> it's a web server, apache is used, and i dont want to take the risk to loose traffic... can i uninstall locales with no risks ?
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2614[15:39:55] <n4dir> chomwitt2: sure lighter than lubuntu (which isn't really light). Not sure if as light as puppy, but sure close to it
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2617[15:41:17] <n4dir> your best bet is to not install an environment during installation, but after installation (xorg and a gui of your choice).
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2619[15:42:29] <chomwitt2> n4dir: i'll try that path.. nogui installation. . letsee ..
2620[15:42:34] <WormFood> chomwitt2, you can tweak the hell out of it, to get just about anything you want. You might want to tweak apt/aptitude to not install the recommended packages, only the required packages by default (which is what I do in some special instances)
2621[15:42:37] <t4nk284> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2626[15:44:43] <n4dir> chomwitt2: if i recall correct. When i installed no environment for the first time, i had a bit of problems to figure out which packages i need (say for sound). I asked, and that got me sorted.
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2628[15:45:59] <t4nk284> Hi everybody; i've a question, i need to install google-pagespeed on a wheezy production server, the problem is that i need libc6 >= 2.14, and that to upgrade it to a superior than the official 2.13 version, i need to uninstall the "locales" packages. it's a web server, apache is used, and i dont want to take the risk to loose traffic... can i uninstall "locales" with no risks ?
2629[15:47:25] <jelly> t4nk284: do NOT upgrade libc6 unless you know exactly what you're doing.
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2631[15:47:28] <chomwitt2> n4dir: i see. i'll try openbox i think
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2635[15:48:10] <WormFood> t4nk284, based on experience, I can tell you to heed jelly's advice.
2636[15:48:44] <missmbob> far safer, yes even though it's production, to upgrade to jessie
2637[15:48:54] <n4dir> chomwitt2: good luck and fun. I got no doubt you will get it sorted. only wanted to add a little "warning"
2638[15:48:58] <missmbob> do read jessie's release doc with relation to apache config being fucked up, though
2639[15:49:27] <afidegnum> hello, anyone on Hetzner ? i m still having issue
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2641[15:51:52] <jelly> t4nk284: you have two saner options: a) rebuild the thing you need from source if source is available, or b) set up a jessie chroot and run it inside that
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2645[15:52:12] <bezaban> afidegnum: dc16 is fine
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2647[15:52:55] <bezaban> afidegnum: replaced-url
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2650[15:53:08] <jelly> t4nk284: if you were an experienced debian user and planned to do a release upgrade wheezy->jessie, you might upgrade just libc6 (and libc-bin and locales) but then you have a mixed release system and you're on your own WRT support
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2654[15:54:16] <seb_> good evening guys
2655[15:54:38] <missmbob> t4nk284: keep this in mind even if you dont upgrade right now. replaced-url
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2658[15:55:30] <t4nk284> thanks for your answers ;)
2659[15:55:30] <afidegnum> bezaban: my problem is about the installation
2660[15:56:25] <afidegnum> i have 2X2TB HDD, but using raid, after installation, i am left with less than 500Gb
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2662[15:56:52] <afidegnum> i have been trying to change the approproate settings in the config file from installimage but it didn't help
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2664[15:57:09] <bezaban> afidegnum: oh right, I never had to do that on my ex40
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2666[15:57:26] <afidegnum> bezaban: i m also using ex40
2667[15:57:56] <bezaban> afidegnum: there were no special loops to hop through.. I'd contact support
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2669[15:58:37] <afidegnum> bezaban: can you please look into this ? replaced-url
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2675[16:00:59] <abrotman> afidegnum: did you use LVM?
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2678[16:01:17] <abrotman> afidegnum: you'd have to show us "fdisk -l /dev/<drive>"
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2680[16:01:48] <afidegnum> abrotman: no i didn't use LVM
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2683[16:01:53] <afidegnum> ok
2684[16:01:54] <afidegnum> wait
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2690[16:03:12] <afidegnum> here is the result for fdisk replaced-url
2691[16:04:01] <abrotman> I see no 2TB disks there?
2692[16:04:31] <abrotman> ytou'll have to show us the underlying /dev/sda or whatever it might be, or show us what mdadm is using
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2694[16:05:47] <bezaban> yeah, cat /proc/mdstat/
2695[16:06:03] <afidegnum> here you are replaced-url
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2698[16:07:25] <afidegnum> I have updated the entries
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2708[16:09:59] <bezaban> afidegnum: all the space on the drive isnt' partitioned. The last partition ends at sector 500116143
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2711[16:10:06] <bezaban> out of 3907029168
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2713[16:10:58] <afidegnum> bezaban: here is my installimage configuration file replaced-url
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2715[16:11:02] <afidegnum> how do i set the partitions?
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2720[16:13:16] <abrotman> this is why you use LVM
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2722[16:13:30] <bezaban> afidegnum: I would have thought PART / ext4 all did that, but I am not familiar with that installimage file (or it has been purged from memory since last I did this was years ago)
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2726[16:14:18] <afidegnum> abrotman: i was tempted to use LVM but i m still worried about my data protection too
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2729[16:14:52] <afidegnum> bezaban: that's what i also thought but still confused about why that issue
2730[16:15:01] * abrotman wonders what LVM has to do with data protection
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2732[16:15:12] <abrotman> or lack thereof
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2734[16:15:45] <afidegnum> LVM doesn't use raid, right ?
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2741[16:20:00] <afidegnum> what configuration do you suggest ?
2742[16:21:01] <afidegnum> abrotman: how do i configure LVM from the setting file?
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2745[16:21:34] <abrotman> from what?
2746[16:21:44] <abrotman> LVM and mdraid can coexist
2747[16:22:05] <afidegnum> replaced-url
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2750[16:23:26] <seb_> how can i upgrade from kernel 3.16 to 4.7 ?
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2752[16:23:44] <missmbob> !tell seb_ about jessie-backports
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2764[16:28:19] <seb_> missmbob, i know about that but i need kernel 4.7 so that my laptops trackpad works correctly
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2766[16:29:12] <missmbob> seb_: and? jessie-backports has kernel 4.7. i wasn't just telling you to read about jessie-backports for sport
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2768[16:29:30] <missmbob> ,v linux-image-amd64
2769[16:29:31] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.7+75~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.8+76; sid: 4.8+77
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2775[16:30:47] <dcpc007> hi all
2776[16:31:42] <dcpc007> i start creating new servers on debian 8, and a new ldap server (before it was nis or local users). Which is the best method to configure ldap client auth ? i see that there is mainly 2 solutions : sssd or nslcd
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2778[16:32:06] <dcpc007> note that we have too some Centos 6 and 7 stations if it's important
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2786[16:35:36] <dcpc007> replaced-url
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2788[16:36:43] <abrotman> nslcd seems a reasonable way
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2790[16:37:10] <seb_> ok thanks missmbob
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2797[16:38:33] <kocane> Hello
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2799[16:38:50] <kocane> Would anyone recommend eSATA over USB 3.0 for an external HDD enclosure with Debian?
2800[16:39:03] <dcpc007> abrotman: i'm trying to find what are the advantage/dis of both on google, but hard to find when not used with ldap... first implementation
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2802[16:39:10] <kocane> Seems to me that USB transfer awfully quick slows down to a crawl. I've no experience with eSATA
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2805[16:39:41] <abrotman> kocane: it us, but USB is more portable, not a lot of people have eSATA, right?
2806[16:40:00] <abrotman> dcpc007: I've only used nslcd, but #ldap might be more help (or maybe it's #openldap)
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2809[16:40:14] <kocane> portability doesnt matter but I figured USB 3.0 would be superior to ESATA; like way.. but it quickly drops from 90-100 MB/s to ... 10 MB/s
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2813[16:40:48] <dcpc007> abrotman: i read that sssd is created and maintened by redhat. is it a problem for debian ?
2814[16:40:51] <kocane> Thing is, I don't know if to blame my pathetic jmicron SATA controller that is in my HDD enclosure or the USB
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2819[16:41:15] <dcpc007> on redhat /fedroa forum, they all say that sssd is THE best, THE future and nslcd useless now
2820[16:41:19] <ws2k3> i copyed a partition to a new disk but now i cant boot from the new disk. i already tryed to update-grub without any result. what can this be?
2821[16:41:22] <abrotman> dcpc007: Not htat I know of .. if it's in Debian, it should work ..
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2823[16:41:30] <abrotman> that's the idea anyway, you can check the BTS
2824[16:41:52] <dcpc007> yes, but on debian wiki, there is even not a basic doc to configure it... only a vague link to an old blog of 2010 !!
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2826[16:42:18] <`Kevin> kocane: essentially usb is sata at both ends (protocol conversion) for that alone i would lean to esata but if you have a portability need that usb covers stick with that
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2828[16:42:50] <dcpc007> as i'm not an expert in this domain, i'm a little anxious seeing that
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2831[16:43:20] <kocane> `Kevin: It's a stationary HDD enclosure connected to my Microserver. It contain 5 HDDs and they should be controlled individually.. Do you know if that's a limitation of eSATA?
2832[16:43:35] <kocane> like one drive only OR a hardware raid
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2840[16:46:10] <`Kevin> kocane: lots of variables there (eg esata port multiplier support)
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2846[16:47:12] <ws2k3> i copyed a partition to a new disk but now i cant boot from the new disk. i already tryed to update-grub without any result. what can this be?
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2859[16:50:55] <zykotick9> ws2k3: did you also run grub-install on the new drive?
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2862[16:51:56] <ws2k3> zykotick9 yes
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2864[16:52:34] <zykotick9> ws2k3: ok, just checking. good luck.
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2883[16:59:21] <ws2k3> zykotick9 partition was not flagged as bootable
2884[16:59:36] <zykotick9> ws2k3: that shouldn't matter...
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2886[17:00:15] <ws2k3> zykotick9 hmm okay. well at least its booting now
2887[17:00:25] <zykotick9> nice.
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2895[17:04:56] <dcpc007> abrotman: found this : replaced-url
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2897[17:05:13] <dcpc007> but link to redhat infos, which tells "my product is the best"
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2930[17:20:55] <Roland-> Roland- sets mode: +R
2931[17:20:58] <Roland-> Just in case.
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2938[17:22:19] <Pavr> hey
2939[17:22:30] <Roland-> 'sup
2940[17:22:40] <Pavr> not much
2941[17:22:51] <Pavr> how you guys doing?
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2946[17:26:23] <jelly> jus' fine. Btw if you want to chat, we have a #debian-offtopic channel
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2956[17:29:39] <abrotman> dcpc007: I'd ask one of hte ldap channels, see what they say
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2960[17:30:06] <dcpc007> abrotman: done 40min ago
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2962[17:30:25] <jelly> sssd sounds cooler than ldapd/nslcd
2963[17:30:39] <Pavr> jelly, okay thank you
2964[17:30:41] <abrotman> but also sounds like a super solid state drie
2965[17:30:43] <abrotman> drive
2966[17:30:49] <abrotman> speedy?
2967[17:30:53] <jelly> yes super!
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2982[17:38:29] <RikuKawai> does anyone know how to connect to a wifi network that uses PEAP and MSCHAPv2 from the command line?
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2990[17:41:24] <mtn> RikuKawai: replaced-url
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2992[17:41:53] <RikuKawai> screw off
2993[17:42:09] <mtn> haha
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2998[17:43:35] <RikuKawai> all the instructions I can find are either using networkmanager or from 8 years ago and thus don't work anymore
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3003[17:45:01] <missmbob> my go-to is always arch wiki. replaced-url
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3007[17:45:43] <mtn> which was in the search results ;)
3008[17:45:50] <missmbob> i'm sure it was, but fuck you
3009[17:45:51] <missmbob> ;)
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3016[17:47:03] <jelly> mtn: please don't give people JFGI unless you're pretty damn sure the first answer is also the correct one for their situation
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3018[17:47:50] <jelly> if you think they're that stupid better say nothing
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3032[17:52:33] <OS-25748> hi
3033[17:52:43] <OS-25748> ne 1 has done mail
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3037[17:53:19] <jelly> someone has done mail.
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3040[17:53:50] <keltim> yeah there's so much ancient linux related documentation out there polluting the net
3041[17:53:56] <keltim> shit from 1998
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3043[17:54:13] <keltim> you can use google time restrictions though, that helps a lot
3044[17:54:29] <nkuttler> easy, don't get your documentation from blogs and such, rtfm
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3046[17:55:19] <jhutchins> nkuttler: Problem is a lot of the official documentation doesn't have dates or versions, so it's hard to be sure it's current.
3047[17:55:38] <keltim> yes I hate that
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3060[17:58:06] <cisc> is the debian wiki blocking VPNs?
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3065[18:00:13] <RikuKawai> I don't think I have to worry about wifi config instructions from 1998, but yeah
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3067[18:01:02] <cisc> yeah to they are blocking Tor & VPN's?
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3069[18:02:16] <missmbob> i know they're not blocking tor or proxies, both of which i just tried. dont have a vpn to try
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3072[18:02:55] <cisc> "Forbidden
3073[18:02:56] <cisc> <p>You are not allowed to access this!</p>"
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3075[18:03:07] <cisc> that is what I get when trying to access the wiki
3076[18:03:32] <cisc> and I just did try Tor and it was blocked
3077[18:03:38] <missmbob> cisc: you can try asking the folks at #debian-replaced-url
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3079[18:03:49] <missmbob> cisc: i managed to log in for edits using tor just now
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3081[18:04:31] <cisc> well I tried a different relay and then it did work so it looks like certain IPs are blocked
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3111[18:18:20] <madlord> hello all, I'm trying to mount an USB stick, that has a debian -installer image (copied with dd), to save on it a firmware driver that was not found during installation
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3113[18:18:54] <madlord> but, even with hdparm -r0, the usb is still with write-protection
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3115[18:19:04] <madlord> mount: /dev/sdc1 is write-protected, mounting read-only
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3118[18:19:52] <madlord> is it possible to mount this media and change anything on it? anyone knows if there are another "read-only lock" protecting the device?
3119[18:19:57] <madlord> thenk you :)
3120[18:20:01] <towo`> forget that stick, it's dead
3121[18:20:18] <madlord> towo`: ?
3122[18:20:24] <towo`> what?
3123[18:20:29] <madlord> why dead?
3124[18:20:36] <towo`> it's damged, there is nothing, you can do
3125[18:20:43] <towo`> *damaged
3126[18:20:55] <madlord> hmm, but I just copied the image into it
3127[18:21:10] <towo`> that was the last actoin for that stick
3128[18:21:41] <madlord> hmm :)
3129[18:21:48] <towo`> buy a new one
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3142[18:25:42] <madlord> towo`: ok, I'll try to use as it is now
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3145[18:25:46] <madlord> towo`: thanks
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3154[18:31:05] <madlord> towo`: I just did another dd to the usb, without problems: dd bs=4M if=debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdc
3155[18:31:08] <madlord> 99+1 records in
3156[18:31:11] <madlord> 99+1 records out
3157[18:31:12] <madlord> ops, sorry
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3160[18:31:50] <towo`> madlord, you know that an iso is ro per se?
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3162[18:32:18] <towo`> even if it is written to an usb-stick, you can't mount that rw
3163[18:33:26] <madlord> towo`: hmm, so that's "my problem"
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3167[18:35:17] <madlord> towo`: thank you again
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3169[18:35:55] <WormFood> madlord, if you mount the iso on a loopback, and copy the files to a properly formatted usb disk, and make it bootable (with grub or something), then you should be able to achieve your desired outcome.
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3171[18:36:49] <madlord> WormFood: I will try it
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3173[18:37:00] <WormFood> I always install from the network. Now I have a machine I can't boot from the network, and I just don't feel like screwing around with USB (which by the way, booting from usb is non-standard)
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3178[18:39:20] <WormFood> madlord, by the way, you might find 7z (7zip) handy for extracting the iso. That would prevent you from needing to mount it on a loopback. Just extract the iso (treat it like a zip file) to the usb disk
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3180[18:40:31] <madlord> WormFood: I see, the problem is that the installer does not found the firmware driver I copied to another usb stick, so I tried to copy it to the same media
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3186[18:41:27] <WormFood> madlord, are you doing a net install?
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3190[18:42:45] <WormFood> madlord, just download the unofficial installer disk. It has all the "non-free" firmware files, that you most likely need. You can find links to it from the official pages (last time i checked). I'm sure the bot knows, but I don't know what to ask for.
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3200[18:44:33] <klutt> Is debian-next an invite only now? Why?
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3206[18:46:12] <missmbob> klutt: because you're on the wrong network. it's on oftc
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3209[18:46:52] <klutt> oh, ok
3210[18:46:54] <klutt> sorry
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3225[18:50:59] <madlord> WormFood: thank you man, I will try it :)
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3227[18:52:28] <WormFood> madlord, good luck with it.
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3243[18:56:13] <jhutchins> towo`: madlord The problem is that you're trying to write to an iso9669 filesystem and that's not possible.
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3245[18:56:26] <Pr0metheus> is there a way to get the name of files in terminal such that they have the correct format for using their filename (e.g. for spaces and special characters)? Like in windows u could type dir /x
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3247[18:56:42] <towo`> jhutchins, i know that ;)
3248[18:56:49] <jhutchins> madlord: The only way to do that is to extract all of the files from the iso, make your changes on a normal filesystem like ext, then remaster the image.
3249[18:57:14] <jhutchins> towo`: So why were you telling him he had a bad drive?
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3252[18:58:28] <towo`> jhutchins, because this was the 1st shoot, if you read the conversation fourther, i have told him as he explaint more precice, what he is doing
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3263[19:03:19] <jhutchins> There is also the isomaster program, which automates the extract/edit/remaster sequence.
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3354[19:36:04] <cirdan> just a quick question, is it recommended to update jessie with all the backports it can or just the ones I need newer versions of?
3355[19:36:17] <missmbob> nooo. just the ones you need
3356[19:36:19] <cirdan> apt-get upgrade -t jessie-backports?
3357[19:36:22] <cirdan> :)
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3359[19:36:43] <cirdan> I did it as a test and was a bit surprised how many packages have newer versions
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3365[19:40:43] <MikeDebian> when opening a samba share file through Konqueror with libreoffice, for instance, a doc or calc file, libreoffice opens the document in a /var/tmp directory and when I try to save it it tries do save it in that directory and not in the samba share. I have to manually go again to the samba share to save it there. It's really annoying and this behavior started with the latest libreoffice debian package update. (i'm using debian 8). Someone knows w
3366[19:40:43] <MikeDebian> hy is this happening and how can I fix it?
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3368[19:41:23] <inex> did you try turning it off and on again
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3370[19:42:18] <MikeDebian> turning what?
3371[19:42:53] <inex> yes
3372[19:43:06] <MikeDebian> turning what, konqueror, libre..?
3373[19:43:23] <missmbob> he's trolling you
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3419[19:57:11] <zykotick9> MikeDebian: <just curious> if you open the file with Libreoffice directly (ie. no Konqueror involved) does it work as expected?
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3421[19:58:02] <mernilio> Hi all!
3422[19:58:23] <mernilio> Is it possible to have a big cock in your community?
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3429[19:58:42] <murphy> lol
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3433[20:00:10] <murphy> whats up with all the random kiddie stuff on freenode lately? is there some childsh pissing contest going on?
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3435[20:00:25] <Richard_Cavell> School holidays
3436[20:00:30] <murphy> ahhhh
3437[20:01:03] <murphy> had to disable messages from unregistered nicks from all the spam this week
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3440[20:01:46] <jelly> I'd tell you to ask in #freenode but they'd say not to comment on spam
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3447[20:03:13] <murphy> i think it was targeting one of the freenode admins actually
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3450[20:03:31] <jelly> so I'm going to tell you to #debian-offtopic instead
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3457[20:04:46] <murphy> meh im done talking about it
3458[20:04:49] <murphy> thanks though
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3460[20:05:02] <murphy> ill join just to lurk
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3463[20:05:50] <dp> doing apt-get dist-upgrade; is there a way to see the version number(s) of the packages I'm upgrading *to* before I perform said upgrade?
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3465[20:06:14] <jelly> dp: apt-get has a --dry-run option
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3467[20:06:39] <dp> jelly: thanks!
3468[20:07:23] <jelly> for more details, consider installing
3469[20:07:26] <jelly> !apt-listchanges
3470[20:07:26] <dpkg> apt-listchanges is a tool that displays NEWS.Debian file contents (default) and/or the changelogs of Debian packages before upgrading them (dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges). It is recommended for users of stable to install the apt-listchanges package, to see what is happening to their systems as security fixes are applied; it should be made _mandatory_ for users of testing and unstable. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listbugs>.
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3478[20:10:46] <dp> jelly: I recall (from years ago) a package that would tell me about pending updates in a nightly email; do you know this package?
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3485[20:13:19] <jelly> apticron maybe? debsecan?
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3492[20:14:15] <dp> I think apticron might have been it, but debsecan looks interesting as well. Thanks!
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3494[20:15:12] <bamb> if i install debian 7.4.0, can i upgrade the whole distribution to the latest or should i download and install from 8.6.0 ISO?
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3496[20:15:46] <jelly> bamb: you can but it's not very sane to do that
3497[20:15:56] <jelly> esp. for a workstation
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3499[20:16:17] <bamb> why not? isnt that fully supported?
3500[20:16:29] <jelly> just reading the upgrade procedure will take you 2+ hours
3501[20:16:39] <pugfantus> It's a lot of effort
3502[20:16:46] <jelly> and 7.4 is very old even for 7.x
3503[20:17:06] <pugfantus> and you may have to run the update more than once to correct all the errors that'll pop up
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3505[20:17:46] <pugfantus> and figure out the differences in config files and which one's you have to update
3506[20:18:09] <bamb> ok, then ill get the new ISo
3507[20:18:12] <jelly> and doing the release upgrade procedure takes a good 2 hours, too, if not more
3508[20:18:17] <bamb> also, doe netinst have a GUI?
3509[20:18:20] <bamb> goes*
3510[20:19:07] <pugfantus> you mean point and clicky?
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3512[20:19:11] <jelly> it probably does not
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3555[20:35:31] <somiaj> had a process go crazy and fill my logs thus filling my harddrive. I have isolated the issue, but am looking for preventive messaures. Any suggestion no how to keep certin regex matches /.*twisted.protocol.*$EMFILE$$/ from being loged?
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3570[20:36:28] <somiaj> or I guess what I could do is if I see such a log just shutdown the bad process.
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3580[20:36:58] <theluckymike> I have application that crashes and doesn't start with my new fw chains, is there a way to track all ip connectivity for specific application ?
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3584[20:37:26] <somiaj> theluckymike: have you tried netstat?
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3587[20:37:49] <theluckymike> how can I identify specific app to filter there?
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3590[20:38:11] <theluckymike> ok will read about it, thx
3591[20:38:13] <somiaj> there is a flag that lets you know the process name/pid that made the connection. Unsure if you cna use netstat driectly to filter this or pipe it through grep
3592[20:38:36] <theluckymike> yeah, seems netstat should do the trick, thanks
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3615[20:47:08] <unborn> murphy: some freenode op pissed off some idiot.. just enable +R mode and it will be gone.
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3629[20:52:20] <jon5309> hi everyone, how do I remove a stubborn apt-get package with unmet dependencies?
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3632[20:53:29] <somiaj> jon5309: use dpkg
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3634[20:55:02] <jon5309> somiaj: dpkg: error processing package zfsutils-linux (--remove): dependency problems - not removing Errors were encountered while processing: zfsutils-linux
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3637[20:56:53] <jhutchins> theluckymike: You could tell us what app you're having trouble with.
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3657[21:07:08] <somiaj> jon5309: was that all the output. Please provide more if not
3658[21:07:09] <somiaj> !bat
3659[21:07:09] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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3689[21:17:41] <T4ng10r> hi
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3696[21:19:21] <blackflow> Hello. Are (jessie-)backports receiving regular security updates like packages in stable?
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3699[21:20:52] <TomTomTo1> no, only through version bumps.
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3701[21:21:38] <blackflow> TomTomTo1: okay but are those regular, security wise? or locked for the life time of stable?
3702[21:22:39] <blackflow> For example, I'm looking at roundcube. Hasn't been touched since April and there have been two more releases, covering three CVEs, since 1.1.5 that's in jessie-backports.
3703[21:22:39] <jhutchins> blackflow: replaced-url
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3705[21:22:41] <TomTomTo1> they are not regular. and it depends on the package how frequent they are.
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3707[21:23:12] <jhutchins> blackflow: Basically it's best effort by the backporter, and it depends on his resources and how carefully he tracks security.
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3710[21:24:13] <jhutchins> blackflow: Remember that Devian version numbers != upstream, older versions may contain patches from newer upstream releases.
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3713[21:24:49] <blackflow> jhutchins: I know, that's why I'm looking at the changelog.
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3716[21:25:03] <jhutchins> blackflow: replaced-url
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3738[21:37:30] <jon5309> hi, having issues with installing zfsonlinux. Been using replaced-url
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3740[21:39:35] <jhutchins> !zfs
3741[21:39:36] <dpkg> ZFS (originally Zettabyte File System) is a file system / logical volume manager developed by Sun Microsystems (replaced-url
3742[21:40:06] <babilen> Hasn't that been packaged?
3743[21:40:58] <babilen> judd: v zfs-dkms
3744[21:40:59] <judd> Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.8-1~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 0.6.5.8-1; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.8-1
3745[21:41:04] <babilen> jon5309: ^
3746[21:41:24] <jon5309> I don't get it...
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3748[21:41:40] <babilen> You presumably want to install zfs-dkms from jessie-backports
3749[21:41:53] <jon5309> I try to install that, it compiles the module... but then fails at installing the rest, like zfsutils-linux
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3751[21:42:34] <babilen> You can install zfsutils-linux from jessie-backports also
3752[21:42:57] <jon5309> babilen, I did, it ends with E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
3753[21:43:05] <babilen> I don't believe you
3754[21:43:08] <babilen> dpkg: bat
3755[21:43:08] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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3757[21:44:24] <jon5309> babilen, replaced-url
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3760[21:45:32] <babilen> jon5309: Did you have errors earlier?
3761[21:45:45] <babilen> zfsutils-linux has already been installed
3762[21:45:56] <jon5309> babilen, yes, I re-ran the command for copypasting
3763[21:46:03] <babilen> Please also note the bit about apt-cache policy
3764[21:46:41] <jon5309> babilen, apt-cache policy: replaced-url
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3766[21:47:10] <babilen> So, what does it tell you for the packages mentioned in there?
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3768[21:48:24] <jon5309> babilen, replaced-url
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3771[21:49:19] <babilen> Right, what does "apt-get -t jessie-backports -f" give you?
3772[21:49:40] <babilen> I really wonder how you installed all of those earlier
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3775[21:50:24] <jon5309> babilen, thanks for helping, for starters. E: Command line option 't' [from -t] is not known. is what I am getting from your command
3776[21:50:27] <babilen> And I'd like to encourage you to switch from ftp.debian.org to a more local mirror
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3778[21:50:59] <babilen> Haha, sorry. "apt-get -t jessie backports -f install" :)
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3780[21:52:12] <jon5309> babilen, replaced-url
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3782[21:53:13] <babilen> And this is the first time you see those errors?
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3785[21:53:51] <jon5309> babilen, first time I see these errors but not first time I use zfsonlinux. I had attempted to remove it earlier to reinstall it (it used to come from another repository)
3786[21:54:07] <jon5309> babilen, so I guess I removed it in a wrong way or not completely...
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3790[21:55:18] <mrrtump> :)
3791[21:55:19] <babilen> Okay, I can't really walk you through it right now. My recommendation would be to make sure that you remove *all* of the jessie-backports and jessie packages mentioned in there. Use apt for that as long as it works (also libzpool2, libzfs2, libnvpair1, ...)
3792[21:55:34] <mrrtump> anyone here have trouble with chrome crash?
3793[21:55:38] <mrrtump> testing
3794[21:55:46] <babilen> jon5309: Just out of curiosity .. What does "apt-cache policy libzpool2 libzfs2 libnvpair1" give you?
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3796[21:56:01] <babilen> mrrtump: You want #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for testing support
3797[21:56:13] <jon5309> babilen, replaced-url
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3799[21:56:39] <babilen> jon5309: Do you have *any* idea where those packages might be from?
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3801[21:56:52] <babilen> judd: v libzpool2
3802[21:56:54] <judd> No package named 'libzpool2' was found in amd64.
3803[21:57:08] <babilen> They are not from Debian (and the reason why the ones from Debian break)
3804[21:58:00] <unborn> replaced-url
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3806[21:58:22] <babilen> So, you have to purge libuutil1, libnvpair1, libzpool2 and libzfs2 (use apt if it works or "dpkg --purge .." if not) -- Once you've purged those third party packages an "apt -t jessie-backports -f install" should work and install the packages from Debian
3807[21:58:31] <babilen> jon5309: ^
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3810[21:58:59] <jon5309> babilen, yes, precedent installation I guess. I had the package installed in principle and it came from archive.zfsonlinux.org, but apt-get began complaining because that repo went 404 and the package was moved to jessie-backports formal debian servers. For that reason, I attempted an apt-get remove --purge debian-zfs to remove it. It went fine, but reinstalling from the official procedure at replaced-url
3811[21:59:25] <jon5309> I will try what you said, thanks
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3813[22:00:00] <babilen> The underlying problem is that you have packages installed that provide files that are also in the packages you now try to install from Debian. That obviously causes conflicts
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3815[22:00:41] <unborn> well said ^^^
3816[22:01:18] <jon5309> babilen, replaced-url
3817[22:02:06] <babilen> See what happens if you install the other ones
3818[22:02:30] <babilen> You installed third party packages and I have no idea what kind of breakage that might cause
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3825[22:02:48] <jon5309> babilen, replaced-url
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3828[22:03:46] <babilen> jon5309: You definitely want to ensure that grub is installed
3829[22:04:10] <jon5309> babilen, so, shall I continue with that command and attempt to install grub later?
3830[22:04:15] <babilen> I'd go ahead with this to sort out the conflicts and then sort out grub .. or just purge everything ZFS
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3832[22:04:32] <babilen> It shouldn't have been this tricky
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3835[22:05:08] <ohemdevin> Hey, all. Been thinking of installing Debian on my new laptop. Was kinda curious... why doesn't Debian ship installers for Sid? Is it just because it changes too much for snapshots to be maintained regularly?
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3837[22:05:51] <greycat> sid is not a release. It's the place new packages get uploaded to.
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3843[22:06:26] <ohemdevin> I thought that was experimental, haha
3844[22:06:37] <ohemdevin> Or is that just for packages that are too unstable for Sid?
3845[22:07:12] <ohemdevin> 'Cause 'experimental' explains that it's not a release, but Sid can be considered a release...
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3848[22:07:50] <babilen> ohemdevin: I'd recommend to read replaced-url
3849[22:07:57] <jon5309> babilen, ok, gave the 'yes' command. It completed normally. What now? Shall I try again on my own or follow your next commands?
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3851[22:08:02] <ohemdevin> Thank you!
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3854[22:08:42] <greycat> Yeah, experimental is reserved for packages that the maintainer thinks might need extra testing beyond what unstable gets.
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3856[22:08:52] <greycat> Very often, new kernels.
3857[22:09:03] <ohemdevin> I've heard that testing can be used like a regular distribution... until the feature freeze comes.
3858[22:09:14] <ohemdevin> Or maybe I'm getting that mixed up?
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3860[22:09:41] <greycat> It's up to you. You have to assess the risks and decide what you can live with.
3861[22:09:52] <ohemdevin> That's true.
3862[22:09:54] <babilen> dpkg: tell ohemdevin -about tum
3863[22:10:13] <greycat> I wouldn't recomend testing to anyone who doesn't have a good bit of experience with Debian packages, dependencies, and system administration in general.
3864[22:10:14] <babilen> ohemdevin: You'd also want to read and follow the advice in replaced-url
3865[22:11:04] <ohemdevin> I've been using GNU/Linux for almost an entire year now. I've played with Ubuntu, Fedora, Linux Mint, and Arch Linux, but I want to go back to Debian simply because I like the community.
3866[22:11:44] <jon5309> me too, this channel was always very helpful for me when I sometimes screw things up beyond what I can manage to fix again... hopefully it'll be the same this time :
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3869[22:11:58] <ksft> I have no idea what I'm doing with Linux, and this channel has been very helpful.
3870[22:12:02] <jhutchins> ohemdevin: You should also be able to deal with something essential (like video) being broken for as long as it takes the packagers to fix it properly.
3871[22:12:19] <ksft> even though wifi and my graphics card still don't work
3872[22:12:25] <jhutchins> ohemdevin: I dual-boot it when I'm running testing, that way I can allways fall back to stable.
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3874[22:13:06] <ohemdevin> I don't think my laptop will be able to use Stable; then again, I could always add backports and see if that helps me out.
3875[22:13:28] <jhutchins> ksft: Did you work on those here?
3876[22:13:32] <jon5309> babilen, replaced-url
3877[22:13:36] <ohemdevin> My laptop's APU (CPU+iGPU from AMD) was released last summer and the model was released in late 2015.
3878[22:13:39] <ksft> jhutchins: for a while
3879[22:13:50] <unborn> jhutchins: no
3880[22:13:54] <ksft> actually, maybe not the graphics card
3881[22:13:54] <unborn> he didnt
3882[22:13:56] <ohemdevin> The wifi doesn't give me any trouble though... the card is from Intel. :)
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3885[22:14:14] <ksft> I might have given up on that when I was using Ubuntu
3886[22:14:44] <ksft> I found an external USB network card, so I gave up on that
3887[22:14:50] <babilen> jon5309: Well, that looks quite good.. I;d install grub now
3888[22:14:57] <unborn> ksft: well - regards ubuntu feel free to join their channel at #ubuntu
3889[22:15:12] <ksft> I switched to Debian a while age
3890[22:15:41] <ksft> ago*
3891[22:16:03] <jon5309> babilen, so, apt install grub?
3892[22:16:42] <babilen> jon5309: Which flavour do you need? (efi or not)
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3894[22:17:02] <jon5309> babilen, not efi
3895[22:17:10] <babilen> You had grub-pc before .. so not efi :)
3896[22:17:15] <babilen> Right, grub-pc it is then
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3900[22:19:53] <jon5309> babilen, one last paste, hopefully. replaced-url
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3902[22:21:12] <ohemdevin> Off-topic: I really like introducing GNU/Linux to people by taking their old "useless" computers and putting Debian/Ubuntu on it. What about you guys? Have you introduced GNU/Linux to a lot of your friends/family?
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3906[22:21:33] <babilen> jon5309: Looks perfect
3907[22:21:39] <babilen> :D
3908[22:21:48] <ksft> ohemdevin: I've tried
3909[22:22:15] <jon5309> babilen, and zfs works too. I couldn't even install xchat earlier to come here. #debian saved my back again and this time it was you, thanks for your time ;)
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3911[22:22:25] <ohemdevin> I think the hardest people to convince are gamers, though..
3912[22:22:47] <jon5309> ohemdevin, I did and I am now the official trouble-solver-mainentance-24/7-technician of those I introduced it to. 0\10 would not recommend :P
3913[22:22:49] <ohemdevin> I consider myself a gamer and the only platform I use to play games are GNU/Linux and the retro games that I collect.
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3915[22:23:28] <ohemdevin> I would use emulators to play those games, but nothing beats turning on a Saturn and playing some imports that I got on eBay...
3916[22:23:35] <babilen> jon5309: You are most welcome. Enjoy and refrain from install third-party packages in the future :)
3917[22:23:52] <ohemdevin> I also love my SNES and PS2.
3918[22:24:19] <jon5309> babilen, but zfsonlinux is part of offical repos now :P
3919[22:25:00] <ksft> I used to play games until my graphics card stopped working
3920[22:25:12] <unborn> jon5309: I think you should remove xchat and start using hexchat
3921[22:25:12] <ohemdevin> Nvidia or AMD? Intel?
3922[22:25:13] <ksft> I think that was when I started using Linux
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3928[22:25:20] <ksft> Nvidia
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3930[22:25:24] <unborn> ohemdevin: intel
3931[22:25:25] <ohemdevin> Oh boy...
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3934[22:25:43] <ksft> it's a laptop with a hybrid Intel/Nvidia thing
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3937[22:25:44] <ohemdevin> I managed to install the proprietary Nvidia drivers on the comp I'm currently using to talk to you all.
3938[22:26:05] <ohemdevin> Can't you use bumblebee to disable the Nvidia card if the Intel CPU has an iGPU?
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3941[22:26:23] <unborn> ohemdevin: same here
3942[22:26:33] <unborn> HexChat: 2.10.1 ** OS: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64 ** Distro: Debian 8.6 ** CPU: 8 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2760QM CPU @ 2.40GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 868MHz ** RAM: Physical: 11.7GiB, 89.8% free ** Disk: Total: 429.3GiB, 10.3% free ** VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GF119M [NVS 4200M] ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH1: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia ** Ethernet: Intel Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection ** Uptime: 1h 54m 47s **
3943[22:26:37] <unborn> ohemdevin: ^^^
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3945[22:27:00] <ohemdevin> On my main computer (which is a laptop, heh), I have an AMD APU... the open source drivers are quite good!
3946[22:27:15] <unborn> ..that was a laptop
3947[22:27:43] <ohemdevin> Neat! I'm currently typing this message on an old HP Pavilion...
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3949[22:28:36] <ohemdevin> CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 3800+ @ 2GHz, GPU: GeForce 6150 LE, RAM: 297MiB / 934MiB
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3952[22:29:13] <ksft> ohemdevin: I've tried
3953[22:29:17] <ohemdevin> Very low powered machine, but actually works rather well!
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3955[22:29:31] <ksft> I can use the Intel one
3956[22:29:46] <tomlukeywood> I have a thinkpad x200 2GB ram 2.2ghz dual core cpu integrated graphics and a coreboot BIOS
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3959[22:30:03] <ohemdevin> I think you can also set which GPU is being utilized in the BIOS? If that's supported, of course..
3960[22:30:13] <tomlukeywood> i must go now
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3962[22:30:21] <ksft> nope
3963[22:30:21] <ohemdevin> Ciao!
3964[22:30:25] <ohemdevin> Ah.
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3972[22:32:57] <jhutchins> !bumblebee
3973[22:32:58] <dpkg> The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. replaced-url
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3979[22:35:13] <ksft> that does return two lines
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3981[22:35:45] <ksft> I have Bumblebee installed
3982[22:35:50] <ohemdevin> I've been drinking so much coffee today... feels good, man
3983[22:35:52] <ksft> glxgears works
3984[22:36:03] <ksft> optirun glxgears does not
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3997[22:40:36] <BCMM> Am i right in saying that SSD TRIM will not be enabled unless explicitely added to FSTAB?
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4000[22:42:04] <BCMM> i have installed an SSD on a Jessie machine. this ssd is listed in recent kernels as having defective TRIM handling ("Samsung SSD 8*"), and i don't want to upgrade the kernel until i can be physically in the same place as the machine in a week's time
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4004[22:43:01] <BCMM> (jessie's kernel is too old to have the appropriate blacklist entry)
4005[22:43:11] <BCMM> so i want to be sure that it will not be somehow automatically mounted with discard enabled before then
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4009[22:44:18] <BCMM> i don't know why i captalised /etc/fstab...
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4026[22:48:33] <jhutchins> BCMM: I haven't run the latest installers, but I think they just set up a standard sata style entry.
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4029[22:48:49] <jhutchins> BCMM: Best to at least look and see what they hvae.
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4031[22:49:13] <BCMM> jhutchins: oh, i haven't changed fstab except to put in the new uuid (was a migration from an hdd install)
4032[22:49:35] <BCMM> jhutchins: so as long as there's no discard in fstab, ext4 won't trim, right?
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4035[22:50:35] <jhutchins> BCMM: I can't personally assure you of that. It would be better to look for some documentation on ssd in debian, or current ssd in linux.
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4037[22:50:57] <BCMM> jhutchins: ok, thanks
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4039[22:51:29] <jhutchins> BCMM: WHat I have kept from setting up ssd systems is that I learned current hardware is happy with the linux/debian defaults and doesn't need special treatment. I tend not to remember the parts I don't need or use.
4040[22:51:45] <BCMM> jhutchins: thanks
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4042[22:52:17] <BCMM> everything i can find seems to say that discard is definitely not a default, so i'm pretty sure it's ok
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4044[22:52:33] <BCMM> next question: what's the best way to install a newer kernel on a Jessie machine?
4045[22:52:57] <ohemdevin> Seems like backports is the way to go.
4046[22:53:57] <crash_> BCMM: build your own kernel :)
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4049[22:54:14] <BCMM> ohemdevin: is that as simple as apt-get install -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64?
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4051[22:54:30] <BCMM> ohemdevin: (after adding appropriate sources.list entry ofc)
4052[22:54:37] <jhutchins> !backports
4053[22:54:37] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
4054[22:54:46] <crash_> BCMM: yeah
4055[22:54:46] <jhutchins> BCMM: ^
4056[22:54:53] <BCMM> crash_: thanks
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4060[22:55:16] <keltim_> BCMM, mostly, but it brings in a ton of backports.
4061[22:55:44] <BCMM> keltim_: why's that? stuff that's not compatible with the older kernel?
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4066[22:56:15] <keltim_> it needs all its friends a lot of packages depend on the kernel
4067[22:56:30] <keltim_> nothing troubling though
4068[22:56:49] <keltim_> I mean the other way around damnit
4069[22:56:53] <BCMM> i thought, with the exception of out-of-tree drivers, most things usually depended on *a* kernel
4070[22:56:56] <BCMM> ah fair enough
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4073[22:57:18] <x0g> Hey , folks I'm trying to install VMware Horizon Client, had few issue but I managed to symlink libudev.so.1 but now I'm having issues locating libffi.so.5.Any tips on getting this done?
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4076[22:59:01] <x0g> I found '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libffi.so.6' and '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libffi.so.6'
4077[22:59:18] <x0g> Should I just symlink them too ?
4078[22:59:38] <greycat> ,file libffi.so.6
4079[22:59:42] <judd> Search for libffi.so.6 in jessie/amd64: libffi6: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libffi.so.6
4080[22:59:59] <greycat> Unless my eyes are much worse than I thought, your two paths are the same.
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4083[23:00:40] <x0g> Your eyes are fine , I just suck at selecting
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4085[23:00:59] <x0g> '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libffi.so.6.0.2'
4086[23:01:04] <x0g> That's the other one
4087[23:01:12] <greycat> One of them should already be a symlink to the other.
4088[23:01:36] <greycat> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Dec 9 2014 libffi.so.6 -> libffi.so.6.0.2
4089[23:01:37] <greycat> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 31048 Dec 9 2014 libffi.so.6.0.2
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4091[23:01:57] <x86iac> ln -sf greycat ashley_madiscon
4092[23:01:57] <greycat> If that's not what you have, then something's wrong.
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4094[23:02:01] <x86iac> oops
4095[23:02:04] <x0g> ehh I'll just try to symlink '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libffi.so.6.0' to '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libffi.so.5'
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4097[23:02:11] <greycat> what
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4101[23:02:31] <x86iac> x0g: other way around you link the .so.5 to the .so.6.0
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4103[23:02:39] <greycat> what the *hell*
4104[23:02:48] <x0g> Ohh thanks x86iac
4105[23:02:57] <x0g> Just woke up and I have to connect to my workstation
4106[23:03:02] <x0g> totally bonkers
4107[23:03:11] <greycat> Are you trying to run a non-Debia binary program that needs libffi.so.5? If so, go get an old libffi5 package from whichever ancient version of Debian last had one.
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4111[23:03:21] <x86iac> ln -sf libffi.so.60 libffi.so.5
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4113[23:03:29] <greycat> seriously, no!
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4115[23:03:57] <x0g> Uhm
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4117[23:04:05] <tecuzin> Hello
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4119[23:04:21] <greycat> ,v libffi5
4120[23:04:21] <x0g> VMware Horizon PCoIP Failed libffi.so.5
4121[23:04:22] <judd> Package: libffi5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.0.10-3
4122[23:04:30] <x0g> That's the errors
4123[23:04:35] <x0g> the error*
4124[23:04:37] <greycat> Try installing libffi5 from wheezy.
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4128[23:05:02] <x86iac> hey i have libffi but only in mingw ??? what you using it for
4129[23:05:13] <greycat> Apparently something vmware.
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4131[23:05:20] <x0g> Yeah
4132[23:05:30] <x0g> The Horizon Client to connect to my stations
4133[23:05:31] <x86iac> GitHub - libffi/libffi: A portable foreign-function interface library.
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4135[23:06:08] <x0g> Just installed this system today as I wanted something more stable,had to use BunsenLabs as the netinstall image download was offline at that moment
4136[23:06:12] <x0g> really sad
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4138[23:06:33] <ohemdevin> BunsenLabs seems like a good distribution!
4139[23:07:05] * x86iac is glad they recovered after that horrific office fire ;_
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4142[23:07:43] <ohemdevin> I never used CrunchBang, but I believe the project died before I started using GNU/Linux.
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4147[23:08:49] <x0g> BL is great as I love their minimalism but I really wanted the netinstall on this desktop , as I'm already using #! and Bl on my laptop
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4149[23:09:11] <x0g> anyhow, my solution was just simple 'ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libffi.so.6 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libffi.so.5'
4150[23:09:29] <x0g> installer recognized it and I can work in peace now
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4153[23:10:35] <ohemdevin> I'm a huge fan of XFCE, but KDE Plasma 5 has also become one of my personal favourites.
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4155[23:10:54] <ohemdevin> I used the latest KDE Plasma 5.8 LTS release... it's surprisingly light on resources.
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4157[23:10:55] <x0g> meh, too buggy on my dektop
4158[23:11:04] <ohemdevin> I agree, KDE Plasma 5 is buggy.
4159[23:11:15] <x0g> I like the way it looks but it's not stable enough for my needs
4160[23:11:15] <ero95> hi. is there a foss gui application for managing updates on debian that is a bit more like the default one on ubuntu than Synaptic Package Manager?
4161[23:11:21] <ohemdevin> I think the KDE dev team are doing great things for the GNU/Linux desktop world.
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4164[23:11:47] <ohemdevin> Kind of wish Qt desktops had better compatibility with GTK+ apps out of the box.
4165[23:12:08] <x86iac> ohemdevin: yea ,,, forcing people to go with gnome ;)
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4167[23:13:07] <ohemdevin> Haha, I originally used GNOME, but it's really sluggish on my laptop for some reason. I think it has to do with the desktop environment now making heavy use of OpenGL?
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4169[23:13:13] <myohmi> if i need a package and cant install it..is installing from backports safe.im running jessie
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4173[23:13:39] <TomTomTo1> which package?
4174[23:13:42] <ohemdevin> I like MATE, XFCE, Cinnamon, and KDE Plasma 5. There's just too many choices. @_@
4175[23:13:54] <ero95> ^what a problem
4176[23:14:44] <ero95> i have heard that kde is buggy
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4180[23:14:54] <myohmi> TomTomTo1:fragroute package
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4182[23:15:10] <x86iac> cya
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4184[23:15:19] <TomTomTo1> ,v fragroute
4185[23:15:20] <judd> No package named 'fragroute' was found in amd64.
4186[23:15:25] <ohemdevin> It can be... whenever I'd exit out of a fullscreen application, the desktop wouldn't return to compositing, so I'd have to log out of the desktop every time I finsihed playing a game..
4187[23:15:29] <ohemdevin> *finished
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4189[23:15:52] <TomTomTo1> myohmi: that package has been removed from debian in 2009. it's not in backports.
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4191[23:16:46] <myohmi> TomTomfragroute version 1.2...you mean version
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4197[23:17:59] <TomTomTo1> i mean the package with the name fragroute.
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4203[23:19:34] <TomTomTo1> #487127
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4205[23:19:36] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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4215[23:24:54] <myohmi> is there a list of backports packages i can look at?
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4219[23:26:32] <TomTomTo1> aptitude search ~Ajessie-backports
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4225[23:27:25] <myohmi> TomTomTo1:k buddy thanks.
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4230[23:28:32] <TomTomTo1> np
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4232[23:28:43] <ero95> are there active debian channels on other irc servers?
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4236[23:29:06] <TomTomTo1> most are on irc.oftc.net
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4242[23:30:21] <ero95> thanks TomTomto1
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4249[23:31:27] <InFerNo_> This network is starting to get cancerous with all the nonsense pm's I keep getting...
4250[23:31:45] * TomTomTo1 points at the topic
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4252[23:32:11] <InFerNo_> doesn't that turn off pm's completely?
4253[23:32:20] <InFerNo_> or only from registered people
4254[23:32:53] <TomTomTo1> it allows pms only from registered nicks.
4255[23:33:05] <InFerNo_> sighing of relief
4256[23:33:20] <InFerNo_> good night everyone
4257[23:33:34] <ohemdevin> g'night
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4267[23:37:35] <moh_> hello
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4282[23:44:32] <ero95> hello moh_
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4301[23:50:26] <ryouma> is there anything in debian that works with telegram?
4302[23:50:49] <ryouma> which is a chat thing of dubious security but high popularity
4303[23:51:40] <l0llip0p> ryouma: u can install the desktop application from the tellegram's website
4304[23:52:00] <ryouma> l0llip0p: not sure how i'd sandbox it to be safe though
4305[23:52:44] <ohemdevin> replaced-url
4306[23:52:47] <ohemdevin> Might this work?
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4308[23:53:26] <ohemdevin> I personally don't use Telegram, but I do use Discord, which probably isn't a step up in the security department..
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