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17 [00:07:19] <ero95> hi. how actively maintained is xfce vs gnome?
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22 [00:09:50] <n4dir> not so much. it doesn't break all the time.
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28 [00:11:14] <awal1> How can I create a keyboard shortcut for be able to send the mouse (pointer) from monitor A «---» monitor B?
29 [00:11:53] <ero95> n4dir: was that a response to me?
30 [00:11:57] <awal1> That's because I have configured some apps for display where the mouse is
31 [00:13:04] <awal1> ero95: in stable branch (jessie, right now) all DE are stable. if in testing/unstable, xfce is more "stable" since it's more conservative than gnome.
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33 [00:13:11] <Janni> Hello. I have a question regarding the KDE systemsettings program. I'm not a KDE user, I only use the odd KDE application. To configure the font for these applications usually there should be a "Font" section in the systemsettings menu, but mine is mostly empty probably due to missing packages. Can anybody tell me which packages I need to install to get the appropriate module (i.e. menu entry)?
34 [00:14:05] <missmbob> hell the main "changes" xfce is doing is gtk3. really not adding/changing much at all.
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37 [00:14:34] <ero95> thank you awal1
38 [00:15:02] <ero95> mssmbob: that is good, yes?
39 [00:15:20] <missmbob> ero95: i think it's great
40 [00:15:20] <ero95> missmbob: that is good, yes?
41 [00:15:21] <ecadre> ero95: depends upon your perspective
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44 [00:16:21] <ecadre> ero95: for my mother it's great, she's kept basically the same desktop for a decade.
45 [00:16:44] <ero95> awal1 missmbob ecadre xfce vs gnome, which is considered better for security and privacy?
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48 [00:17:07] <awal1> :D
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51 [00:17:51] <lethu> Hello, is it worth it to upgrade to debian 9 from jessie, to have the latest kde?
52 [00:17:55] <missmbob> ero95: now you're getting into crap that really doesnt matter. use the one you like best. that's really all there is to it.
53 [00:18:05] <ecadre> ero95: I can't see that it makes much of a difference.
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56 [00:19:11] <ecadre> lethu: depends upon what you're expecting with that. Moving onto Sid should be carefully considered.
57 [00:19:54] <lethu> ecadre, carefully considered in what sense?
58 [00:20:08] <missmbob> lethu: ask their channel #debian-next on oftc (not freenode) its current state. might be broken as hell with the xorg transition
59 [00:20:12] <ecadre> Then again, I'm not the best to talk desktop environments with :-D
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62 [00:20:51] <lethu> missmbob, ecadre thanks for the info, I think I will just stick with jessie
63 [00:20:56] <lethu> :)
64 [00:21:35] <ecadre> lethu: for the reasons that missmbob states, and the normal state of continual upgrades in unstable. You need a practiced eye, and a bit of thought whilst upgrading in unstable.
65 [00:21:56] <lethu> ecadre, I see thanks :))
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67 [00:22:25] <ero95> missmbob in what sense do you mean that security and privacy doesn't matter?
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70 [00:23:09] <missmbob> ero95: i'm saying they're comparable.
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72 [00:24:13] <ecadre> ero95: I wouldn't choose one over the other (xfce or gnome) for security or privacy reasons.
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76 [00:25:18] * n4dir would have to think for quite a while to figure out how DE's come into security/privacy problems.
77 [00:25:38] <zykotick9> ero95: but "stable" is covered by debian's security team for updates, and is thus a better choice for "security and privacy" over sid and _especially over_ testing in my opinion... but ymmv?
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81 [00:26:23] <awal1> n4dir: well, if you install ubuntu+unity with amazon stuff, so you may end having privacy/security stuff
82 [00:26:30] <ecadre> n4dir: ummmm, shiny clicky things? ... maybe not :-D
83 [00:26:42] <n4dir> who the hell would want to do that? awal1 ...
84 [00:26:44] <awal1> privacy/security issues, I meant
85 [00:27:17] <ecadre> awal1: for all their faults, the Amazon stuff is off by default in Ubuntu now.
86 [00:27:19] <awal1> n4dir: just an opinion :P
87 [00:27:41] <n4dir> you probably right, but i would call that a rather extreme casse. In general: well: just saying it never came to my mind, never thought of it
88 [00:27:59] <awal1> ecadre, good for ubuntu users
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90 [00:28:12] <n4dir> smaller environments are sure more easy to control (but i always thought of stability, not of security)
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92 [00:28:36] <ecadre> awal1: the worrying thing is that Canonical/Ubuntu thought it was a good thing to do in the first place.
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94 [00:28:50] <ecadre> astonishing in fact
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96 [00:29:05] <ero95> missmbob ecadre thank you. i'm coming from downstream distros. used to some hand holding but trying to migrate upstream
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98 [00:29:47] <n4dir> when trying to migrate i sure would stick the the DE i am most comfortable with, ero95
99 [00:29:51] <ecadre> ero95: my recommendation would be to drop Destkop Envirnments and use
100 [00:29:55] <ecadre> Stumpwm
101 [00:30:00] <ero95> i played around with the base debian de in jessie. it wasn't clear how to set up automated update notifications or automatic updates
102 [00:30:07] <ero95> n4dir thanks
103 [00:30:10] <ecadre> ... but most people would disagree with m
104 [00:30:13] <ecadre> me
105 [00:30:13] <n4dir> first get used to the distro, then consider switching DE (or WM)
106 [00:30:28] <ecadre> and quite right too ;-)
107 [00:30:32] <n4dir> well: i get easily confused. to each his own
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112 [00:31:30] <awal1> ero95, well X DE can security bugs but it's rare, privacy is almost software (apps) related (konqueror as web browser and file manager is a controversial thing) and how your system is configured and what you do with it
113 [00:31:44] <awal1> can have security bugs ^
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123 [00:33:28] <ero95> cli is cli, but i'm not an expert and i've been spoiled by nice update guis downstream. could i get that by installing xfce or gnome on debian jessie?
124 [00:33:38] <ryouma> if i used gnome or even kde i think i would get really confused about what's doing what
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126 [00:33:45] <ryouma> i just use fluxbox
127 [00:33:45] <ecadre> One thing I've noticed is that in use, xfge is considerably "lighter" on the machine.
128 [00:34:01] <ero95> kde is overload for me
129 [00:34:01] <ecadre> ^^ xfce
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132 [00:34:38] <ryouma> ero95: you can install all sorts of things and they will work. if you want a gui for a package mangaer you mean?
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134 [00:35:11] <awal1> ero95: you have a nice how to here about security/privacy replaced-url
135 [00:36:15] <ero95> ryouma: maybe. i don't know the terminology well. i like the automated update checks and changelogs in unity (gasp) and the risk ratings in mint
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138 [00:37:13] <ero95> awal1: thank you
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141 [00:37:36] <ecadre> ryouma: fluxbox ... far too flash :-P
142 [00:38:13] <ero95> ryouma: but my instinct is to minimize exposure to canonical
143 [00:38:38] <awal1> ero95: are you a debian user?
144 [00:38:47] <ecadre> ero95: use Debian then.
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146 [00:39:26] <ero95> awal1: i'm getting my feet wet in debian. (migrating upstream)
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148 [00:39:54] <ecadre> I've never got on with Ubuntu or derivatives really, on a technical level that is. I'm not fond of many of the antics of Canonical either.
149 [00:40:20] <ryouma> ero95: hmm, you can call aptitude or apt-get or apt in a script using cron to check for updates, and download them, and then, say, manually approve them, or things like that. dunno what those fancy things are though.
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151 [00:42:51] <ero95> i mean no offense to anyone, and i appreciate the ease of use of ubuntu, mint, etc, but debian seems more trustworthy
152 [00:43:31] <ecadre> if you do that in a script (automatically download updates), just make sure you have plenty of space in your root partition.
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155 [00:44:02] <awal1> ,v unattended-upgrades
156 [00:44:06] <judd> Package: unattended-upgrades on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.79.5+wheezy2; wheezy-security: 0.79.5+wheezy2; jessie: 0.83.3.2+deb8u1; jessie-security: 0.83.3.2+deb8u1; stretch: 0.92; sid: 0.93; stretch: 0.93
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158 [00:44:12] <ecadre> ero95: I agree. I like the makeup of the debian project too.
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160 [00:44:18] <plasmoduck> I have awesome wm installed but I can't see it in the list of wm's when I login?
161 [00:44:21] <ecadre> well, prefer it anyway.
162 [00:44:29] <n4dir> replaced-url
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169 [00:45:33] <ecadre> Actually, how do you turn off those notifications and downloads in debian gnome?
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184 [00:49:45] <ecadre> plasmoduck: which desktop manager are you using? That will help people giving an answer.
185 [00:49:58] <awal1> plasmoduck: lightdm?
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187 [00:50:22] <awal1> there is a bug about your issue, just google it
188 [00:50:29] <plasmoduck> I guess, whatever comes with Debian.
189 [00:50:31] <ecadre> awal1: that's the default one installed these days?
190 [00:50:33] <ero95> ecadre: automatic updates are on by default when you install debian gnome?
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192 [00:51:00] <awal1> ecadre, for xfce, yeah, maybe for mate and lxde too
193 [00:51:18] <ecadre> ero95: they seem to be. It's not my box, but I manage the updates/upgrades on it and the notifications are an irritant.
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197 [00:51:52] <ecadre> ero95: the auto downloads are a nuisance too with disk space.
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200 [00:52:58] <ecadre> awal1: ah, yes, actually I do know that with gnome you get gdm3
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202 [00:54:00] <ecadre> I know that none of them seem to pick up stumpwm, but then again I don't use a DM.
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206 [00:56:15] <ero95> mint has a good update manager that rates updates by estimated risk
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208 [00:56:46] <n4dir> i rate the risk on debian stable myself: either no risk or close to no risk
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210 [00:57:17] <ecadre> ero95: I would question their definition of risk anyway.
211 [00:57:51] <n4dir> and on testing/unstable there is apt-listbugs (which can help a bit, but won't replace a backup-solution)
212 [00:57:55] <ero95> but you can't set it to automatically install low-risk updates and then choose when to install updates more likely to cause instability
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214 [00:58:20] <awal1> plasmoduck: temporally, you may want to create a hidden file in your home dir (.xinitrc) and inside insert this line: exec /usr/bin/awesome). When done, start awesome from console. ctrl-alt+fx (1, 2, 3, 4, 5,6). when you're logged in just run startx
215 [00:58:50] <n4dir> ero95: In general, to me, debian , compared with them, is rather a configure-it-the-way-you-want-it. So i would not think much bout so called defaults.
216 [00:59:01] <n4dir> install it and configure it to your liking.
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219 [00:59:33] <n4dir> obviously much is done already when using a DE. So you will have to make changes or be happy with the way it is.
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222 [00:59:51] <n4dir> does that make any sense, ero95 ?
223 [01:00:01] <ecadre> n4dir: most people I suspect just go with one of the default DE installs and then theme/fiddle with their desktop settings
224 [01:00:16] <ecadre> which is OK, if that's all you want.
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226 [01:00:57] <n4dir> sure. But thing is: no need to ask before. Look at it, think what you don't like, change it (by asking people how do i add/remove this or that feature)
227 [01:00:59] <ero95> ecadre: true. installing browser security updates is less likely to cause system issues than a major kernel update
228 [01:01:19] <ecadre> but Debian is great for custom installs, it doesn't try to insist on all the, um, "baggage" that other derivatives do.]
229 [01:01:33] <n4dir> and, as far it's me, gnome and xfce can easily be installed and used both (WM's anyway).
230 [01:01:53] <ero95> n4dir: i like the customizability
231 [01:01:56] <n4dir> to make it short: there is no need to make much decisions before even installing
232 [01:02:03] <ero95> not sure how that affects updates, though
233 [01:02:15] <n4dir> the friendly version: ero95 just take it easy . Will work fine
234 [01:02:19] <ecadre> ero95: not a great deal.
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237 [01:02:56] <ecadre> ero95: I have a less common setup, ad updates and upgrades are no issue.
238 [01:03:02] <ecadre> ^ and
239 [01:03:06] <ero95> n4dir: i've installed already
240 [01:03:12] <ero95> multiple times
241 [01:03:15] <n4dir> ero95: it affects updates in the meaning: if such feature ain't there, no problem, just add it
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244 [01:03:27] <ero95> i tweak, ruin and start over
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246 [01:03:37] <n4dir> :-) tell me about it
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250 [01:04:07] <ecadre> ruin?
251 [01:04:08] <n4dir> doing a "cp -a /etc /root/backup_etc" won't hurt
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254 [01:04:28] <ero95> if there is a hard way to learn something, i will find it. i can render a system unusable in record time
255 [01:04:39] <ecadre> doing proper backups is a good idea all round.
256 [01:04:59] <ecadre> rsnapshot is great
257 [01:05:06] <n4dir> with debian it should be very hard to ruin the installation (well, debian stable)
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259 [01:05:18] <ecadre> n4dir: indeed
260 [01:05:21] <n4dir> well: don't add third party software ...
261 [01:05:24] <likcoras> openssh-server gives me both sshd.service and ssh.socket+ssh@.service, what exactly is the difference between those?
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271 [01:10:09] <ecadre> likcoras: replaced-url
272 [01:10:19] <yokisuci> Has someone here used the Base16 shell themes with URxvt? For some reason i guett ugly white borders aronud the windows using that set shell theme script. :/
273 [01:10:34] <likcoras> Oh, alright.
274 [01:10:38] <ecadre> likcoras: something to do with the way systemd spawns the service,
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276 [01:11:09] <likcoras> Why is it not the default in debian, if spawning sshd on-demand is the recommended way to do it?
277 [01:11:13] <likcoras> Just curious
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281 [01:13:26] <ecadre> likcoras: heh, no idea. I would observe that it is the "reccomendation" from the Arch wiki, not Debian developers.
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283 [01:14:09] <likcoras> I mean, thinking about it, it kinda makes sense, being able to edit and apply sshd_config without worrying and such
284 [01:14:17] <likcoras> But eh
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288 [01:15:44] <likcoras> Is there a way to avoid installing suggested/recommended packages during installation? Would doing so break my system?
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296 [01:18:15] <likcoras> Also the installer seems to have selected task-laptop even though I did not select it during installation, is that normal?
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299 [01:20:50] <n4dir> choosing a DE during tasksel and at the same time wanting to avoid installing recommends seems pointless
300 [01:21:12] <n4dir> and as long one deselects taskel: well, ,pretty small result.
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302 [01:21:23] <n4dir> if that ain't enough: debootstrap installation
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305 [01:22:18] <ecadre> not installing recomended or optional won't "break" an install I wouldn't have thought ... it probably wouldn't function in the you'd expect though.
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311 [01:28:24] <ero95> likcoras: are you using the expert install option?
312 [01:28:33] <likcoras> yes!
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316 [01:29:32] <likcoras> Also, was asking since I see a lot of packages installed that I don't think I'll use, ever, like mutt.
317 [01:29:47] <petemc> it sucks less
318 [01:29:56] <likcoras> I don't think I selected anything at all in that installation stage.
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322 [01:31:45] * zykotick9 remembers a time (squeeze?) where mutt was not part of the "default" install... having it there has made my life easier...
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324 [01:32:25] <ecadre> likcoras: one of my pastimes, every now and again, is clearing out packages I don't want/need.
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326 [01:32:49] <likcoras> Well, yeah, but it would be easier to not install them in the first place.
327 [01:32:51] <ecadre> not sure how really productive it is, though it will save on bandwidth for updates.
328 [01:32:52] <likcoras> =/
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330 [01:33:10] <missmbob> mutt is actually pretty great. just fyi :P
331 [01:33:27] <missmbob> i use it with my google for work domain
332 [01:33:51] <likcoras> Yeah, but unless I'm doing something horribly wrong, mail should be good enough, I think. Hopefully don't get too many emails about sudo breaking or whatever.
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334 [01:34:06] <ecadre> likcoras: everything is a compromise. You can't satisfy everybody ... just be glad that you're not being sledgehammered into a huge install in the way that some distros do.
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336 [01:34:54] <likcoras> Yeah, I guess. I'm coming from Arch, so it does kinda feel weird to see mutt installed without me telling it to be installed.
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338 [01:35:07] <n4dir> Slackware way: recommended is to install everything and the kitchen sink. lol
339 [01:35:13] <likcoras> Oh well, guess I'll be clearing stuff out in the near future. Thanks, everyone!
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341 [01:35:27] <likcoras> May also consider a debootstrap install, I think that'd be more similar to the arch install process, I think.
342 [01:35:46] <petemc> or uncheck the tickboxes for task packages
343 [01:35:56] <petemc> in normal install
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345 [01:36:23] <likcoras> Huh, I deselected everything but in expert install. Would that end up installing more packages than in the normal install?
346 [01:36:24] <ecadre> petemc: yep, that's the way, them build the system you want.
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348 [01:36:27] <zykotick9> likcoras: one suggestion/warning - be careful breaking metapackages :( and if possible... don't. ymmv
349 [01:36:40] <likcoras> Hah, will keep in mind.
350 [01:36:47] <petemc> likcoras: if you did you wouldnt have mutt, its not part of base
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353 [01:36:57] <ecadre> likcoras: what are you wanting to end up with?
354 [01:37:39] <likcoras> Not sure for now, currently experimenting with debian to eventually use on a personal server, but I don't like seeing random stuff on my system that I don't need.
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356 [01:37:50] <petemc> ..
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359 [01:38:17] <likcoras> Mostly trying to see which would be the best distro to go with for now, I guess.
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367 [01:40:49] <zykotick9> likcoras: selecting nothing during netinst, configuring apt.conf then installing pre-selected packages (and avoiding metapackages where possible!) and produce _very_ customized builds with debian... just sayin'
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369 [01:41:14] <zykotick9> s/and produce/CAN produce/
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371 [01:41:27] <likcoras> Is the configuring apt.conf part is after finishing installation?
372 [01:42:53] <zykotick9> likcoras: personally, i select the "system utilitizes" <- or whatever it's called (that i believe includes mutt) during install, then run scripts that build up my very minimal environments from there... apt.conf is one of MANY config files build into my "install-foo.sh" scripts ;)
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375 [01:44:13] <zykotick9> likcoras: BUT - i typically diable both suggests and recommends for my installs - it _does_ cut down on functionality so be careful with it! test, test, test ;)
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377 [01:45:20] <likcoras> I see... Just making sure, does netinst produce a more minimal system than a regular debian dvd image?
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379 [01:45:33] <n4dir> likcoras: no
380 [01:45:34] <zykotick9> i _can_
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382 [01:45:47] <likcoras> Huh...
383 [01:45:48] <zykotick9> s/i _can_/it _can/
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385 [01:46:37] <ecadre> netinstall is just a smaller image to download
386 [01:46:43] <ecadre> that's all.
387 [01:46:44] <n4dir> well: if you ain't got no network connection when using the netinstall: that will result in a very minimal system (and i think smaller than .... yada, yada)
388 [01:46:46] <zykotick9> don't select anything (or only "system utils") during netinst and you get a _very_ minimal "base" system!!!
389 [01:47:01] <n4dir> do the same with the DVD and you will get the same result
390 [01:47:04] <petemc> plus mutt
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392 [01:47:13] <ecadre> and it needs a connection with a repo
393 [01:47:40] <petemc> does recent debian not skip mta?
394 [01:47:41] <zykotick9> ecadre: actually netinst does NOT need a connection to give a working install!
395 [01:47:58] <likcoras> Wait, really?
396 [01:48:08] <n4dir> at least in the past installation finished anyway, but the result was a tough one
397 [01:48:14] <ecadre> zykotick9: for 99.9999% of people :-P
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399 [01:49:01] <ecadre> depends upon your definition of "working". But it is not the intended use.
400 [01:49:22] <petemc> debian has not intentions
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402 [01:50:32] <ecadre> replaced-url
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407 [01:53:19] <ni291187> !list
408 [01:53:19] <dpkg> ni291187: vedi replaced-url
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411 [01:54:35] <petemc> someone once explained to me why italian people join this channel and !list
412 [01:55:32] <ecadre> petemc: why?
413 [01:55:37] <petemc> i dont recall
414 [01:55:58] <ni291187> fanculo
415 [01:56:07] <ecadre> heh
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418 [01:56:46] <ni291187> fanculo
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420 [01:57:24] <ni291187> gelo aiuto
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425 [01:58:25] <ecadre> wash yer mouth out
426 [01:58:30] <petemc> :)
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430 [02:00:34] <ecadre> the things you do for your mum :-/
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455 [02:10:44] <hard380> contemplating about this fo an hr now lol,,is it bad adding ppa packages to a debian system?
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457 [02:11:01] <missmbob> yes. dont do it
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459 [02:11:36] <missmbob> !why not use a ppa
460 [02:11:36] <dpkg> PPAs (Ubuntu's Personal Package Archives, see <PPA>) are not built against Debian releases, they are built against Ubuntu releases. This makes using packages from them on a Debian box highly unlikely to work out well. Ask me about <ssb> <package recompile> <bobbitt>.
461 [02:11:47] <missmbob> hard380: read that ^
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464 [02:12:11] <missmbob> hard380: you'll break things badly if you start using ubuntu ppa's
465 [02:12:57] <hard380> feedback is very good lol..still wanna do it.dam
466 [02:13:25] <missmbob> frankendebians arent supportd here, fyi
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473 [02:16:49] <ecadre> hard380: what is it anyway?
474 [02:17:27] <ecadre> hard380: oh, and I'd agree with missmbob and the bot.
475 [02:17:45] <hard380> lxd 2.0 trying out some containers i guess
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500 [02:26:21] <hard380> ecadre:yeah im gonna probly mess with it more later.
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502 [02:26:55] <hard380> bout 10 min ago i installed it..thanks tho
503 [02:27:40] <ecadre> ah, just noticed "Project sponsored by Canonical Ltd." ... hence all the emphasis on Ubuntu.
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506 [02:29:56] <hard380> ecadre:u got that right for sure...fucking Canonical!!
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511 [02:30:45] <ecadre> hard380: don't come here for sympathy when people start complaining about the dead kittens :-P
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513 [02:31:07] <screamslash> im trying to enable multiarch but i keep getting this error
514 [02:31:09] <screamslash> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
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517 [02:31:59] <ecadre> screamslash: copy-paste ?
518 [02:32:05] <screamslash> i did
519 [02:32:13] <screamslash> that was the output of the dkph command thing
520 [02:32:23] <missmbob> it's one line. dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update
521 [02:32:33] <screamslash> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
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524 [02:32:54] <missmbob> i dont know what guide you're reading but it's wrong. do what i said
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527 [02:33:35] <screamslash> cherokee@housestark:~$ sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update
528 [02:33:35] <screamslash> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
529 [02:33:35] <screamslash> E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/
530 [02:33:35] <screamslash> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
531 [02:33:35] <screamslash> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
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534 [02:33:50] <screamslash> sorry i thought it would stay within 2 lines
535 [02:33:53] <screamslash> ill pastebin it
536 [02:34:07] <missmbob> you need to use sudo for apt-get update as well
537 [02:34:11] <screamslash> replaced-url
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539 [02:34:12] <screamslash> i did
540 [02:34:16] <missmbob> no you didnt
541 [02:34:21] <missmbob> you did for dpkg not apt-get
542 [02:34:50] <ecadre> screamslash: && effectively indicates a new command
543 [02:35:05] <ecadre> so that needs the right permissions too
544 [02:35:21] <screamslash> i thought sudo was like on a cooldown and stayed in effect
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546 [02:35:39] <ecadre> screamslash: you still need to use it
547 [02:35:46] <screamslash> well what do i do now
548 [02:35:50] <screamslash> after doing that
549 [02:35:51] <ecadre> it's not like su to root
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551 [02:36:03] <petemc> && only works if previous command did
552 [02:36:09] <missmbob> that it. you're done
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554 [02:36:55] <ecadre> the newline error is something to do with your copy-paste picking up extra stuff
555 [02:37:04] <screamslash> ok it worked thanks
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578 [02:47:44] <asarch> One very stupid question: how can awake an hibernated laptop?
579 [02:48:40] <petemc> if it didnt notice lid opening try brief press of power button
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581 [02:48:55] <asarch> It doesn't work
582 [02:49:02] <asarch> Nor with any button
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584 [02:49:19] <petemc> power management is hard
585 [02:49:28] <ecadre> wait til spring.
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587 [02:51:48] <ecadre> asarch: not turning on at all?
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591 [02:54:49] <asarch> No
592 [02:55:01] <asarch> I have to press the power button for a while to restart the laptop
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594 [02:55:22] <asarch> And every time, it has to recover the journal from the partitions
595 [02:55:50] <petemc> really?
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602 [02:58:29] <ecadre> like petemc says, laptops can be weird. I have a little HP thing that won't play any sounds until it's been hibernated/suspended once.
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607 [03:00:30] <asarch> Yeah
608 [03:00:42] <asarch> Is there any way I could help to debug this problem?
609 [03:00:48] <asarch> Maybe dmesg output?
610 [03:00:48] <t4nk022> Hey all, switched to Debian recently and loving it. There's just one thing I've struggled with
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613 [03:01:05] <t4nk022> In Ubuntu, it auto detected when I plugged in differnet monitors and adjusted the resolution accordingly
614 [03:01:18] <t4nk022> In Debian, I have to manually configure it every time with xrandr or the Display dialog
615 [03:01:28] <t4nk022> I wonder what the tool that auto configures displays is called
616 [03:02:04] <petemc> xrandr
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618 [03:02:46] <t4nk022> yes, but I guess Ubuntu had different settings because it appeared to work seamlessly?
619 [03:02:56] <t4nk022> I could plug in any monitor and it would use the correct settings
620 [03:03:14] <t4nk022> Is it just running xrandr --auto?
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622 [03:03:50] <asarch> This is not Ubuntu... THIS... IS... SPARTAAAAA!!! o/
623 [03:04:01] <asarch> JK, you could try with an xorg.conf file
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625 [03:05:05] <asarch> Turn off GDM3 a while (service gdm3 stop), generate a blank xorg.file with X -configure, move that file to /etc/X11 and set it up as you wish
626 [03:05:40] <missmbob> which isnt at all what he/she wants or is asking.
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628 [03:06:10] <missmbob> i assume it's just a udev rule they have which runs xrandr. i dont have an ubuntu box to check or a monitor to unplug
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630 [03:07:10] <asarch> D'oh! :-(
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632 [03:07:44] <t4nk022> missmbob thanks, that pointed me in the right direction
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635 [03:08:39] <asarch> How do you install this globally? replaced-url
636 [03:09:48] <ecadre> what's "Hybrid sleep" ?
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644 [03:15:16] <ecadre> asarch: btw. my hibernate/suspend is done from the cli using pm-utils. It was the only way it works properly.
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647 [03:16:29] <asarch> What's the difference between hibernate and suspend?
648 [03:16:34] <asarch> Aren't they the same?
649 [03:16:57] <ecadre> hibernate sends everything to the hard disk and turns off the computer.
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652 [03:17:14] <ecadre> suspend is a ram thing and still uses some power.
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655 [03:17:28] <ecadre> probably ram and disk I suppose.
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657 [03:18:03] <missmbob> suspend works a lot more often. generally because people dont use over 2x ram for swap and wonder why
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667 [03:21:49] <ecadre> missmbob: hibernate uses swap then?
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672 [03:22:11] <missmbob> yes. over 2x ram is the magic
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675 [03:22:49] <missmbob> it has to fit everything in currently in ram and everything currently in swap ...in swap.
676 [03:23:16] <ecadre> missmbob: I always use that amount of swap. It's what I originally remember being told what to do.
677 [03:23:32] <ecadre> in the dim and distant past.
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679 [03:23:53] <ecadre> tribal lore from the ancients,
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681 [03:24:13] <ecadre> or summat.
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688 [03:29:09] <ecadre> bedtime
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727 [03:56:04] <irreleph4nt> Hi all. Anyone here running Debian on a Microsoft Surface Book?
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729 [03:57:36] <asarch> Thank you guys :-)
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732 [04:00:03] <irreleph4nt> I am new to Debian (used to use Arch Linux). Can someone please give me some pointers on how I can upgrade gnome-shell to something newer than 3.14?
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735 [04:01:00] <irreleph4nt> Doesn't need to be bleeding-edge but - for example - I'd like to use the notifications center at the top not at the bottom, together with the calendar
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775 [04:26:59] <Alias> Hello
776 [04:27:01] <Alias> For some reason aliases I made in .bashrc are not runnable with a shell script (command not found) but will work if I manually run them in a terminal. How can I fix this problem? I used this article: replaced-url
777 [04:27:03] <Alias> I am currently using Raspbian Jessie latest release
778 [04:27:11] <missmbob> irreleph4nt: there's no backport for gnome
779 [04:27:16] <missmbob> !raspbian
780 [04:27:16] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
781 [04:27:42] <missmbob> irreleph4nt: really the only thing you can do is move to stretch, which is the next release (currently in testing)
782 [04:27:43] <Alias> Doesn't debian have aliases as well
783 [04:27:58] <Alias> ?
784 [04:28:03] <Polarina> Until recently, when a binary with RPATH set calls dlopen(), the dlopen-ed library's dependencies were resolved using the binary's RPATH, even if the dlopen-ed library had no RPATH set. This broke sometime recently in Stretch, the binary's RPATH is ignored when resolving dependencies on dlopen-ed libraries.
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786 [04:28:18] <Polarina> Any ideas as to what might have caused this breakage, and if it's intentional or not?
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791 [04:29:45] <missmbob> Alias: we dont know how raspbian changes affect aliases (ie, which does it use, bash, dash, something else?). ask raspbian
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812 [04:40:26] <Alias> missmbob: Alright, thanks
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826 [04:42:41] <umbSublime> Alias, check this tread replaced-url
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830 [04:42:43] <umbSublime> this is not related to raspbian so to speak but rather to bash itself (it's the default shell in raspbian)
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833 [04:43:46] <umbSublime> in bash version4+, you could do ${BASH_ALIAS[alias_name]}
834 [04:43:54] <Alias> umbSublime: Thanks man, kmoss in #raspberrypi found out you can use "source script.sh" and it will work. Thanks
835 [04:44:14] <Alias> umbSublime: Your anwser works, thanks!
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882 [05:05:11] <plasmoduck> hey guys can i get some help with my biometric scaner on my laptop how do i get it going?
883 [05:05:30] <plasmoduck> ill post lspci
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971 [05:40:42] <EppeeKin> Anyone familiar with kali os?
972 [05:40:52] <missmbob> !kali
973 [05:40:52] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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976 [05:42:47] <EppeeKin> Is someone out there familiar with cali?
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979 [05:44:36] <EppeeKin> Need help on merging an expanded partition.
980 [05:44:59] <missmbob> EppeeKin: why dont you read the bit dpkg told you?
981 [05:46:22] <EppeeKin> I did but I can't get into the kali Linux irc without the authentication server rights.
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985 [05:46:37] <EppeeKin> So I am looking for help from its foundation
986 [05:46:50] <EppeeKin> Kali linux
987 [05:47:08] <missmbob> EppeeKin: #freenode will tell you how to register a nickname. or /msg nickserv help
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990 [05:48:34] <missmbob> "is not supported in #debian" is pretty clear.
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992 [05:50:03] <muscleking> muscle worship come worship me replaced-url
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994 [05:50:31] <muscleking> replaced-url
995 [05:50:36] <missmbob> muscleking: please stop
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997 [05:51:29] <mdfkr> hi
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999 [05:52:10] <mdfkr> anyone here who could help me with resolution of my screen?
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1001 [05:52:45] <muscleking> replaced-url
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1003 [05:53:14] <muscleking> just collecting more pay fags
1004 [05:54:08] <muscleking> Muscle worship 1000 slaves strong replaced-url
1005 [05:54:49] <dvs> !ops muscleking is spamming
1006 [05:54:49] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: dvs complains about: muscleking is spamming
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1009 [05:55:50] <muscleking> Over $21,000 in tributes and gifts since February. Not bad! You all know I deserve it. Now let's hit that $3,000 goal this week!
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1011 [05:56:08] <muscleking> <-- I wrote that in May. LOL!
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1013 [05:57:12] <muscleking> with my new slave-paid-for mercedes: replaced-url
1014 [05:57:32] <Kevin_McQuay> replaced-url
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1016 [05:57:43] <Kevin_McQuay> oops wrong channel sorry
1017 [05:59:08] <muscleking> my used socks for sale replaced-url
1018 [05:59:15] <muscleking> $600. pm for details.
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1097 [06:42:16] <quz> Will my computer run on Debian replaced-url
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1101 [06:43:54] <dvs> quz, No, Debian will run on your computer.
1102 [06:44:24] <Logg> ^
1103 [06:44:29] <Logg> I love you dvs
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1105 [06:44:42] <dvs> ???
1106 [06:44:56] <Logg> I've admired you for so long, silently
1107 [06:45:03] <Logg> but now, I confess, in front of all #debian
1108 [06:45:07] <Logg> dvs
1109 [06:45:09] <Logg> will you marry me?
1110 [06:45:20] <redcheckers> Logg: you have to have a ring when you propose.
1111 [06:45:24] <dvs> I don't want to commit bigamy
1112 [06:45:30] <Logg> O*
1113 [06:45:35] <Logg> it's a ring
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1133 [06:56:30] <mrrtump> xfs or jfs?
1134 [06:56:36] <mrrtump> for 4T usb drive?
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1156 [07:05:27] <plasmoduck> can someone please help me get the finger scanner working on my laptop with login
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1158 [07:06:52] <v01> plasmoduck, are you aware that if your password is a fingerprint it is not protected by 4th ammendment?
1159 [07:07:12] <v01> This has been established with people using the feature on iPhones.
1160 [07:07:34] <banekillgrind> yup
1161 [07:07:57] <banekillgrind> pretty terrible
1162 [07:08:23] <v01> Even if it was protected, I personally don't want my fingerprint as a password.
1163 [07:08:30] <v01> Fingerprints are everywhere you leave them
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1168 [07:09:26] <v01> plasmoduck: I am not telling you how to live you life I just wanted you to know.
1169 [07:09:44] <banekillgrind> yeah its about as secure as using bathroom grafitti. You were here
1170 [07:09:49] <v01> lol
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1173 [07:10:56] <banekillgrind> super convenient though
1174 [07:11:40] <banekillgrind> when im trashed i can still use my phone
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1177 [07:13:19] <Logg> even more reason not to use password for fingerpirt
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1198 [07:19:04] <jim_carry> i'm not able to install kdenlive on jessie
1199 [07:19:24] <jim_carry> it says package have unmet dependencies
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1205 [07:21:09] <mrrtump> did u run apt-get update first
1206 [07:21:10] <mrrtump> ?
1207 [07:21:21] <jim_carry> yes
1208 [07:21:46] <missmbob> how are you trying to install it?
1209 [07:21:47] <jim_carry> I ran update, upgrade, dist-upgrade, autoclean, autoremove
1210 [07:21:57] <jim_carry> apt-get install kdenlive
1211 [07:22:05] <missmbob> !bat
1212 [07:22:05] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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1214 [07:22:43] <v01> could also try apt-get -f install
1215 [07:22:44] <plasmoduck> !biometrics
1216 [07:22:57] <jim_carry> v01: I tried it reports same error
1217 [07:23:11] <v01> My apologies.
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1223 [07:23:56] <mns> what are the unmet dependencies it is complaining about ?
1224 [07:24:16] <missmbob> we're waiting for him to pastebin what the bot requested
1225 [07:24:27] <mns> ahh ok
1226 [07:24:50] <plasmoduck> I want to use my finger print for sudoing
1227 [07:25:31] <jim_carry> replaced-url
1228 [07:25:51] <missmbob> jim_carry: how is that even close to everything the bot asked for?
1229 [07:26:03] <jim_carry> please give me sometime
1230 [07:26:13] <missmbob> do it all at once
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1234 [07:26:56] <missmbob> jim_carry: do you have deb-multimedia sources?
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1244 [07:31:37] <jim_carry> replaced-url
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1246 [07:32:02] <jim_carry> missmbob: I paste my source.list
1247 [07:32:52] <jim_carry> replaced-url
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1251 [07:33:34] <jim_carry> should i install dependency manually? will it break system?
1252 [07:33:37] <missmbob> jim_carry: yeah, that's not good enough sources. you need to add security and updates for the main repository to really work
1253 [07:33:42] <missmbob> !jessie sources.list
1254 [07:33:42] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
1255 [07:34:07] <missmbob> jim_carry: in addition to those ^ three lines, add your existing jessie-backports. then apt-get update
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1258 [07:34:42] <missmbob> jim_carry: (hint - libav-tools you want is in the security repository your sources dont have)
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1260 [07:34:47] <mrrhq> Is it safe to assume deb-multimedia has largele become pretty useless? I forget what's in there that's not in the regular repos.
1261 [07:34:55] <mrrhq> *largely
1262 [07:35:01] <missmbob> mrrhq: it's more than useless. it breaks a lot of shit on debian
1263 [07:35:53] <mrrhq> I used it in the past, but I can't recall it breaking anything. I think I used it back when I needed codecs, but now they're in Debian's main repos.
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1265 [07:36:21] <sillyslux> that was for libdvdcss me thinks
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1268 [07:36:43] <missmbob> i just recently helped someone figure out it's media codecs were causing firefox to crash. that took forever to track down
1269 [07:36:44] <mrrhq> I think I used it for some kind of H.264 library.
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1271 [07:37:32] <mrrhq> Yes, back when it was called Debian Multimedia.
1272 [07:37:56] <missmbob> back in the day it had its uses. now it's just annoying
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1275 [07:40:33] <missmbob> jim_carry: worked out?
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1281 [07:43:14] <mrrtump> xfs or jfs for 4t usb drive?
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1283 [07:43:35] <jim_carry> apt-get update is going on..speed is very slow
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1287 [07:45:49] <mrrhq> BTRFS if you're not using RAID, ext4 or xfs if you want to be sane.
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1289 [07:46:03] <mrrhq> I've never used JFS, so i don't know what kind of FS-level utilities it has.
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1292 [07:46:20] <jim_carry> i tried 2 3 times it always stuck at `100% [connecting to ftp.debian.org (130.89.148.12)]`
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1297 [07:47:20] <mrrhq> Mine says "replaced-url
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1299 [07:48:21] <mrrhq> That one seems to work best for me.
1300 [07:48:22] <jim_carry> missmbob: it doesn't after update, it give same error
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1302 [07:49:08] <missmbob> jim_carry: this is after it processed everything? or did you just ctrl+c out of that 100% and call it good?
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1306 [07:49:35] <mrrhq> I think you need the "/debian" at the end.
1307 [07:49:56] <jim_carry> yes after processed everything
1308 [07:49:59] <missmbob> jim_carry: you should pastebin your updated sources.list
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1326 [07:55:24] <jim_carry> replaced-url
1327 [07:55:24] <missmbob> jim_carry: if it's not exactly like this do it again and make it exactly like this. replaced-url
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1331 [07:56:51] <missmbob> yeah that's a mess. just copy the one i pasted. apt-get update. try again. if that doesnt work we'll need you to redo the bat steps as before
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1344 [08:04:25] <jaggz> # ip a "bash: alert: command not found"
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1346 [08:04:58] <mrrtump> doh
1347 [08:04:59] <jaggz> I'm trying to resolve a wifi issue (my wifi drops and I can't reconnect without sleeping the system and coming back)
1348 [08:05:18] <jaggz> so I'm following this guide: replaced-url
1349 [08:05:33] <jaggz> I currently use kde's network manager thingy
1350 [08:05:34] <mrrtump> here is best wway to resolve wifi
1351 [08:05:40] <mrrtump> get an ethernet cable
1352 [08:05:45] <mrrtump> plug to your router
1353 [08:05:46] <jaggz> i'm too far away :)
1354 [08:05:47] <mrrtump> be happy
1355 [08:05:56] <jaggz> 100 feet and across the yard :)
1356 [08:06:05] <mrrtump> walk 95 feet
1357 [08:06:08] <jaggz> lol
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1364 [08:06:40] <jaggz> I've been meaning to pull some cable.. but I need some cable to do that :)
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1367 [08:07:51] <jim_carry> missmbob: it reports same error
1368 [08:07:51] <jaggz> is there going to be conflict if I add wlan0 to network/interfaces?
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1370 [08:08:12] <jaggz> will I lose my nice status icon?
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1372 [08:09:27] <mrrtump> my main conflict is I have a 4T and a 3T usb drive
1373 [08:09:28] <mrrtump> jfs
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1375 [08:09:40] <mrrtump> and I wonder if XFS would be better
1376 [08:09:52] <mrrtump> I also have 1.1 T fo files on the 3T
1377 [08:10:00] <mrrtump> and not quite enuf space to copy to the 4T
1378 [08:10:01] <mrrtump> heh
1379 [08:10:17] <mrrtump> kek kek kek
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1382 [08:12:03] <jim_carry> missmbob: it reports same error
1383 [08:12:29] <missmbob> then i'd need to see another bat
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1394 [08:18:19] <jim_carry> what is bat missmbob ?
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1396 [08:18:55] <missmbob> !bat
1397 [08:18:55] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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1408 [08:23:29] <jim_carry> missmbob: can i post it after 10 minutes? im in another work
1409 [08:23:38] <jim_carry> sorry for delay
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1411 [08:23:47] <missmbob> sure
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1425 [08:28:03] <ImUs3r> tftp -gl i1 192.168.1.9 <— what it means?
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1434 [08:34:56] <jim_carry> missmbob: replaced-url
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1436 [08:36:20] <missmbob> jim_carry: apt-get install kdenlive -t jessie-backports
1437 [08:36:30] <missmbob> jim_carry: see if that works
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1439 [08:37:45] <jim_carry> yes works
1440 [08:37:57] <jim_carry> thank you
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1442 [08:38:19] <jim_carry> what is only install dependency with backports than kdenlive
1443 [08:38:24] <jim_carry> what if*
1444 [08:38:41] <jim_carry> what if i only install dependency with backports than kdenlive?
1445 [08:38:41] <missmbob> you must've previously gotten some library from backports that forced a conflict.
1446 [08:38:53] <jim_carry> I only installed i3wm from backports
1447 [08:38:57] <jim_carry> have*
1448 [08:38:57] <missmbob> *shrug*
1449 [08:39:04] <missmbob> take the win
1450 [08:39:09] <mrrtump> iceWM
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1460 [08:46:09] <mrrhq> Typically what would happen if you installed something from backports is, next time you update, and the the stable version is highter than your installed backports, it should override it, correct?
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1470 [08:53:25] <fx9> where can I get some flash installing help on debian 8? yes i know its junk but some websites need it
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1472 [08:55:20] <missmbob> fx9: i use this. replaced-url
1473 [08:55:49] <fx9> oh interesting
1474 [08:55:55] <fx9> lemme try this
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1477 [08:58:14] <fx9> hmm that didn't work
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1479 [08:58:30] <missmbob> you ran it as root? was there an error?
1480 [08:58:41] <fx9> no error it says installed
1481 [08:58:44] <missmbob> what browser?
1482 [08:58:48] <fx9> chromium
1483 [08:59:14] <missmbob> did you kill it? it stays running in the background even when you close it. you have to really kill the background process
1484 [08:59:51] <fx9> i did a killall chromium first
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1486 [09:00:24] <fx9> is it possible to see which directory chromium is looking in for plugins?
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1488 [09:00:53] <missmbob> i dont know. that script worked for me
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1492 [09:03:22] <n4dir> did you try to install from the repos?
1493 [09:03:52] <missmbob> n4dir: see bug #841373
1494 [09:03:53] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1496 [09:04:13] <fx9> oh i've tried everything
1497 [09:04:26] <fx9> backport repos
1498 [09:04:29] <fx9> pepperflash
1499 [09:04:37] <fx9> offical adobe flash
1500 [09:04:55] <n4dir> i installed flashplugin-nonfree (or such), seems to work.
1501 [09:05:12] <fx9> i have that installed as well
1502 [09:05:15] <fx9> but no joy
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1504 [09:05:23] <n4dir> but then: i don't use chromium
1505 [09:06:31] <xormor> n4dir, I stopped using Chromium because it did not display hieroglyphs properly (ttf ancient fonts package).
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1516 [09:09:52] <n4dir> fx9: assuming you have several versions of flash installed, you might use update-alternatives to check which one is used. The bad news, i am not sure bout the syntax. Found this:
1517 [09:09:57] <n4dir> update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so
1518 [09:10:48] <n4dir> which doesn't really convince me. Look here (old, perhaps outdated ?): replaced-url
1519 [09:13:24] <fx9> its funny, neither of those update-alternatives work
1520 [09:13:27] <fx9> its completely borked
1521 [09:13:40] <im-so> Hey! I got a question! Why everytime I boot up my laptop, I must enter "pulseaudio --start" command to get sound working?
1522 [09:14:29] <mrrtump> cuz laptops suck
1523 [09:14:32] <mrrtump> use desktop
1524 [09:14:35] <mrrtump> I use alsa
1525 [09:14:39] <fx9> 70
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1527 [09:16:58] <im-so> mrrtump: doesnt alsa works with one source at the time? pulseaudio works with multiple sound sources
1528 [09:17:02] <fx9> flash sucks
1529 [09:17:16] <mrrtump> dunno
1530 [09:17:21] <fx9> its such a kludge
1531 [09:17:37] <mrrtump> webm
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1533 [09:18:31] <fx9> screw this, reinstall debain
1534 [09:18:40] <mrrhq> im-so: ALSA can work with multiple sound sources, since it has mixer capabilities. Pulseaudio is only needed for audio-over-networking capabilities, and such.
1535 [09:18:44] <fx9> if in doube, format
1536 [09:18:49] <fx9> doubt*
1537 [09:19:14] <mrrhq> I think Pulse also has better per-application audio adjustment, too.
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1543 [09:21:10] <im-so> mrrhq: so pulseaudio is better at this point. Everything is ok with pulseaudio, just I dont understand why its not starting with OS, I mean I must start pulseaudio service manualy everytime.
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1568 [09:32:56] <mrrhq> Try: sudo systemctl status pulseaudio
1569 [09:33:04] <mrrhq> Does it say it's enabled?
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1577 [09:35:39] <im-so> pulseaudio.service
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1579 [09:36:53] <mrrhq> Yeah. It should say active.
1580 [09:37:36] <mrrhq> Might want to check journalctl -xb to see if there's any errors during bootup. That might tell you why it's not working at boot.
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1597 [09:45:46] <koen_> whats the command to open a new tab or a window in shell
1598 [09:46:01] <koen_> i want to use a USE newdatabase; in a fresh windows
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1604 [09:50:41] <jaggz> my alt-f keys stopped working (they're assigned to changing desktops).. they appear fine in my shortcuts (KDE), but don't work..
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1606 [09:50:56] <jaggz> I restarted X already (but not the whole system). alt keys work to pull down menus fine
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1610 [09:52:33] <jaggz> re-setting them in system settings will take the new value, but alt-fkeys still goes through as the non-modified f key
1611 [09:52:42] <im-so> mrrhq: replaced-url
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1625 [10:01:11] <koen_> i want to use a USE newdatabase; in a fresh windows.. whats the command to open a fresh tab
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1639 [10:08:08] <introom> hi.
1640 [10:08:35] <introom> `man interfaces' says, ifdown/up reads and acts based on /etc/network/interfaces
1641 [10:08:55] <introom> but which program runs up ifdown/ifup?
1642 [10:09:31] <introom> and how can I know that reversely? like ps -ef or with other run time or static mechanism, instead of checking the doc ?
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1656 [10:29:02] <gebruiker> replaced-url
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1660 [10:30:53] <jelly> gebruiker: yes, the source package, linux-grsec, is at that version now
1661 [10:31:30] <jelly> you're looking at an old binary package built from an older source version
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1667 [10:34:43] <gebruiker> jelly: it states 4.7 but is actually 4.8 bit irronious it seems
1668 [10:34:58] <gebruiker> erroneous*
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1670 [10:35:54] <jelly> I just explained why, do you need a rephrase
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1673 [10:37:16] <i0nC4nn0n> why hello there
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1675 [10:37:38] <i0nC4nn0n> anyone care to help me out installing deluge and making it run on boot AFTER some cifs shares are resolved?
1676 [10:37:40] <jelly> gebruiker: "linux-grsec-source-4.7" binary package (.deb) was built from "linux-grsec" source package at the time when "linux-grsec" was at 4.7.something. The current version of linux-grsec source package is 4.8.something
1677 [10:37:41] <i0nC4nn0n> i tried following this:
1678 [10:37:44] <i0nC4nn0n> replaced-url
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1680 [10:37:53] <i0nC4nn0n> but i somehow broke systemctl
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1699 [10:46:43] <gebruiker> jelly: i understood why but it is a bug because it states the wrong information
1700 [10:47:09] <jelly> not really
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1703 [10:48:53] <gebruiker> jelly: have you actually read it?
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1708 [10:49:59] <devCon> Hello there all, I would like to report a problem with debian/testing-kde and the usb wifi card TPE-N150USBL from thinkpenguin.com. I will file an issue in but wanted to check before whether anyone has encountered a similar problem. The problem: after following these steps replaced-url
1709 [10:50:23] <themill> gebruiker: perhaps you could explain what the issue is so that your question can be answered rather than assuming people aren't providing you with the answer to what you have actually asked.
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1711 [10:51:06] <devCon> is that networks show up but network-manager cannot establish a connection
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1715 [10:51:55] <plasmoduck> themill: I was wondering if you could assist me with biometrics? I used fprint and fprint_demo to scan my prints but how do I use the scanner with gdm?
1716 [10:52:04] <themill> nope
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1718 [10:52:24] <plasmoduck> anyone else?
1719 [10:52:35] <plasmoduck> Looks like there is little support for it
1720 [10:53:07] <plasmoduck> it would be handy to scan my print when I sudo instead of typing a password
1721 [10:53:13] <dutchfish> devCon, have you tried `options ath9k_htc nohwcrypt=1` in /etc/modprobe.d/ath9k_htc.conf ?
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1723 [10:53:59] <gebruiker> themill: issue is a bug on replaced-url
1724 [10:54:28] <gebruiker> While it actually 4.8.7
1725 [10:54:32] <jelly> gebruiker: one could say the page you're visiting is just a deliberately narrow view into the state of "linux-grsec" source package, a view focusing on one of its result artifacts (the linux-grsec-source-4.7 deb binary package). The right hand side does not say "download the exact version of the source package linux-grsec matching this binary artifact"
1726 [10:54:33] <jelly> it just says "Download Source Package linux-grsec" and it show the link to the version in sid
1727 [10:54:48] <dutchfish> devCon, this also needs a new update for /boot/initrd.img-xxxxx
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1729 [10:55:03] <devCon> dutchfish: no I haven' t but I suppose for regular user it should be straightforward to connect
1730 [10:55:12] <devCon> and use it
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1732 [10:55:39] <dutchfish> devCon, new firmware for nonfree isnt and shouldnt
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1735 [10:56:16] <devCon> but the TPE-N150USBL is a FSF-RYF approved
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1737 [10:56:27] <themill> gebruiker: no, the package that you are looking for was build from the 4.7 version of the source; there are also linux-grsec-4.8 -*packages built from the the newer source.
1738 [10:56:36] <gebruiker> jelly: you made a complicated rationalisation of something that is simply wrongly stated
1739 [10:57:08] <gebruiker> jelly: because this is the only grsec page this occors on
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1741 [10:58:33] <dutchfish> devCon, look at at the wiki debian hw list also take a peak on the wiki for iw, i dont believe a blob is according to Debian policies aproved as free, but hey, i am not FSF expert.
1742 [10:58:58] <themill> gebruiker: it's not. It's like that for every not-yet-decrufted linux-grsec-*4.7* package.
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1744 [10:59:15] <gebruiker> themill: i know that. The bug is that the page contains the wrong information. it is not 4.7 and it is not 4.7 related packages and it is does not have 4.7 debian patches and the package is not 201610161720
1745 [10:59:24] <gebruiker> themill: no, i jus checked
1746 [10:59:29] <dutchfish> devCon, for what it is worth, the adaper works with latest firmware in Debian testing (checked myself)
1747 [10:59:35] <devCon> replaced-url
1748 [10:59:38] <themill> gebruiker: check harder then, because you are wrong.
1749 [11:00:03] <gebruiker> themill: you should check harder
1750 [11:00:09] <jelly> heh
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1752 [11:00:23] <devCon> dutchfish can you provide me with detailed instructions of what you did so I can try it myself
1753 [11:00:30] <themill> you are at a disadvantage of being wrong cf what is in the browser window in front of me
1754 [11:00:39] <dutchfish> devCon, yes, replaced-url
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1756 [11:01:34] <dutchfish> devCon, some older kernels wont work, i did my tests in Debian testing
1757 [11:01:38] <themill> gebruiker: as jelly said, the page is correct. *Every* not-yet-decrufted binary package is like this on packages.d.o; The main panel is the info about the package you are interested in, the right margin is links to the current version. Yes this could be clearer, no it probably can't be fixed in any amount of time that makes it worth doing.
1758 [11:01:50] <dutchfish> devCon, or ask #debian-next (OFTC)
1759 [11:02:47] <devCon> Ok, isn't debian-tesing shipped with the latest kernel?, I thought so. Maybe I mislead myself
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1761 [11:03:32] <dutchfish> devCon, well, currently testing is at Linux ws-151 4.8.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.8.7-1 (2016-11-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux for the 64bit amd
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1763 [11:04:11] <dutchfish> devCon, i dont believe you need a newer one for this
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1768 [11:08:21] <devCon> dutchfish: Then let me check with you to see if I followed you correctly: did you add the '/etc/modprobe.d/ath9k_htc.conf' patch to the kernel version 4.8.x in your debian testing installation?
1769 [11:08:33] <dutchfish> devCon, yes
1770 [11:08:42] <dutchfish> devCon, reread what i have said
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1773 [11:09:31] <dutchfish> devCon, there is a change the blob got into firmware-nonfree already for Debian testing, thats easy to find out
1774 [11:09:48] <dutchfish> devCon, i did my test some while ago
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1779 [11:11:24] <dutchfish> devCon, otherwise replaced-url
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1788 [11:12:55] <gebruiker> jelly: why did you do that?
1789 [11:13:04] <devCon> dutchfish, OK I will try the solutions provided and report back the results, thank you very much
1790 [11:13:18] <dutchfish> devCon, yw
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1793 [11:15:57] <jelly> gebruiker: wasn't me, but you annoyed the other op apparently
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1805 [11:21:58] <gebruiker> jelly: the last sentence of what themill wrote was all i was trying to say and i wanted to bug report it and see if I could do anything to help out seeming that might be problem I could help with my limited skillset
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1810 [11:26:09] <azarus> Hey guys. I got a problem that when i boot my laptop, it takes 2 mins 40 secs to boot, since when i boot, it says "A start job is running for: waiting for network to be configured" I've looked some things up on the internet, but I didn't really get any smarter from that.
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1821 [11:28:05] <dutchfish> azarus, have you delved into `dmesg` ? Does that give any clou?
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1828 [11:29:53] <azarus> dutchfish: I'll paste my dmesg, just a sec.
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1832 [11:31:32] <azarus> dutchfish: replaced-url
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1835 [11:32:30] <azarus> dutchfish: probably something with wifi, right?
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1840 [11:33:22] <dutchfish> azarus, more likely the acpi system, maybe for the adapter parts like wifi
1841 [11:33:36] <dutchfish> azarus, hybrid sleep
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1846 [11:33:53] <azarus> But this happens even if i just cold boot my machine.
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1849 [11:35:05] <dutchfish> azarus, yes, you could try (as a test) with a higher C state setting in your bios, it will discharge batteries faster, but it will give a clue if acpi is to blame
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1851 [11:35:33] <azarus> dutchfish: So i should try to disable some lower c states, got it.
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1854 [11:35:43] <dutchfish> azarus, just as a test
1855 [11:35:56] <azarus> dutchfish: Sure, i'll be right back.
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1863 [11:41:13] <azarus> dutchfish: No luck with that, I disabled all powersaving methods in the UEFI, but it took just as long.
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1873 [11:45:04] <dutchfish> azarus, maybe then look what settings are available for the adapter, if you run any services that depend on a network and wifi is your only way, it might stall on that.
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1878 [11:47:01] <azarus> ?dutchfish: I could try to disable NetworkManager
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1882 [11:50:25] <azarus> dutchfish: Might it be related that my battery monitor in i3bar isn't really working as well? It always shows 87.59%
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1890 [11:56:38] <dutchfish> azarus, if it stalls on querying that, it might
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1905 [12:02:49] <NBA> Hello !
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1910 [12:04:43] <NBA> i have a shop adminstation , and i have username & password login. i want business if you care
1911 [12:05:16] <bazhang> NBA, are you advertising your business here
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1915 [12:06:39] <NBA> Not
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1918 [12:07:08] <bazhang> whats the debian support issue then NBA
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1921 [12:08:14] <NBA> i just i am looking for a partnership to hack CCV
1922 [12:09:05] <bazhang> nba hack what?
1923 [12:09:34] <NBA> Hacking CCV
1924 [12:09:52] <bazhang> what is ccv
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1929 [12:10:05] <themill> NBA: wrong channel]
1930 [12:10:06] <bazhang> and why do you feel the need to hack it
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1932 [12:10:15] <bazhang> heh ouch
1933 [12:10:24] <bazhang> sorry themill
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1939 [12:12:11] <azarus> dutchfish: I'm back, family called.
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1942 [12:12:25] <dutchfish> azarus, if it stalls on querying that, it might
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1944 [12:12:57] <dutchfish> azarus, its hard to find the culprit, it needs an extensive study of all the logs
1945 [12:13:20] <azarus> dutchfish: Would reinstalling the drivers help?
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1947 [12:13:34] <dutchfish> azarus, but networkmonitor, acpi and energysavings are the most likely ones
1948 [12:13:55] <dutchfish> azarus, reinstalling what drivers?
1949 [12:14:02] <azarus> dutchfish: So, either TLP, NetworkMonitor or ACPI.
1950 [12:14:15] <azarus> dutchfish: most likely iwlwifi
1951 [12:14:15] <dutchfish> azarus, yes, probably.
1952 [12:14:30] <azarus> dutchfish: Okay, i'll try.
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1955 [12:15:00] <dutchfish> azarus, bare i mind, that establishing a wifi connection always takes some time, even if it all works as expected.
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1958 [12:15:23] <dutchfish> azarus, but that amount of time seams excessive.
1959 [12:15:33] <azarus> dutchfish: I know, but it should slow down boot.
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1964 [12:15:41] <azarus> dutchfish: shouldn't*
1965 [12:16:06] <dutchfish> azarus, or manually make [wants] in systemd and not brake the system
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1967 [12:16:30] <dutchfish> azarus, for now, try to find out what happens while studying the logs
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1978 [12:19:35] <azarus> dutchfish: Might it be this: replaced-url
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1984 [12:20:42] <dutchfish> azarus, no, that seams fine to me.
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1990 [12:23:54] <dutchfish> azarus, sshd needs alot of time, have you looked at what nets it listens, do you have ipv6? if not disable that in sshd.
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1993 [12:24:22] <azarus> dutchfish: I don't have ipv6. How do i disable it in sshd?
1994 [12:24:38] <dutchfish> azarus, in its config
1995 [12:25:17] <dutchfish> azarus, /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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1997 [12:25:45] <azarus> dutchfish: AddressFamily inet # IPv4 only // This?
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1999 [12:26:32] <dutchfish> azarus, the line `#ListenAddress :: ` if you remove it, it stops listening on ipv6
2000 [12:26:52] <dutchfish> azarus, even when it is uncommented, it does listen
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2005 [12:27:53] <azarus> dutchfish: :: Is the localhost for IPv6, right?
2006 [12:27:56] <dutchfish> azarus, obviously, you need to reboot that service after altering the config file.
2007 [12:27:59] <dutchfish> azarus, yes
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2009 [12:28:16] <dutchfish> azarus, err, no. It means all
2010 [12:28:17] <azarus> dutchfish: Okay, removed that line. Rebooting the service.
2011 [12:28:32] <azarus> dutchfish: So all ipv6 adresses?
2012 [12:28:38] <dutchfish> azarus, yes
2013 [12:29:14] <azarus> dutchfish: I'll reboot now.
2014 [12:29:17] <dutchfish> azarus, if you cold boot the system compare the logs
2015 [12:29:36] <azarus> dutchfish: Okay, be right back.
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2019 [12:31:25] <chamow> hi
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2025 [12:32:07] <chamow> i'm from india and would like to contribute. i know c++, git
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2031 [12:33:10] <azarus> dutchfish: No luck in setting sshd to ipv4 only.
2032 [12:33:20] <azarus> dutchfish: Didn't help bot
2033 [12:33:22] <azarus> boot*
2034 [12:34:06] <dutchfish> azarus, do you need sshd access on that mobile device?
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2036 [12:34:35] <azarus> dutchfish: Well, i do, but i can disable it if needed
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2041 [12:35:35] <dutchfish> azarus, just as a test, to find out if network availability for that service slows down your boot.
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2045 [12:36:01] <azarus> dutchfish: So i'll disable sshd in systemd and reboot.
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2047 [12:36:11] <dutchfish> azarus, basically yes
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2049 [12:36:58] <abrotman> w/in 13
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2063 [12:40:34] <azarus> dutchfish: Disabling sshd did nothing
2064 [12:41:09] <azarus> dutchfish: Should i disable NetworkManager?
2065 [12:41:38] <dutchfish> azarus, ok. Well, i am a bit stumbling in the dark as well.
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2070 [12:42:24] <azarus> dutchfish: Screw it. I'll try to disable networkmanager.
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2072 [12:42:58] <dutchfish> azarus, ok, but only for the disable part ;)
2073 [12:43:10] <azarus> dutchfish: sure.
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2101 [12:50:00] <azarus> dutchfish: My battery monitor seems to work again. But disabling NetworkManager entirely didn't help boot times.
2102 [12:50:14] <azarus> dutchfish: Weirdly though, it still connect to wifi automatically
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2105 [12:50:48] <dutchfish> azarus, i am running out of clues, sorry.
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2108 [12:51:43] <dutchfish> azarus, this might be a driver issue in regards to acpi, dmesg stated this.
2109 [12:51:45] <azarus> dutchfish: Might just reinstall the whole system. Don't have anyting worthful on here.
2110 [12:52:08] <dutchfish> azarus, its worth a try, also consider Debian testing.
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2114 [12:52:29] <azarus> dutchfish: I'm on stretch
2115 [12:52:38] <dutchfish> azarus, ah, ok.
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2117 [12:52:42] <azarus> dutchfish: With kernel 4.8.0
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2125 [12:56:12] <azarus> dutchfish: I'll reinstall debian stretch.
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2127 [12:56:20] <dutchfish> azarus, gl
2128 [12:56:27] <azarus> dutchfish: Thanks.
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2156 [13:06:38] <koris> how does one kill a process when even "# kill -9 <pid>" doesn't work?
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2159 [13:07:18] <han-solo> what did you try to kill?
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2162 [13:07:58] <koris> a program called qjoypad
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2167 [13:08:52] <han-solo> are you sure, it was thr right pid?
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2169 [13:09:14] <han-solo> pkill qjoypad
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2175 [13:10:56] <koris> well, it actually is my friend who is having this problem, this is what they said:
2176 [13:10:56] <koris> >I ran it as "qjoypad --notray" and, as has happened a few times before, it failed to show the window and refuses to respond to Ctrl-C
2177 [13:10:57] <koris> >I did "pgrep qjoypad" and got the PID after doing "pkill qjoypad" silently failed
2178 [13:10:57] <koris> >then I did "kill -9 <PID>" as user, then as root, and both silently failed - it is still running under the same PID
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2182 [13:11:15] <koris> oops?
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2184 [13:12:27] <koris> this isn't even much text but I guess I'll just do what I'm asked to do and put it here replaced-url
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2196 [13:18:15] <menace> Hi, i have a logitech headset h800, which works in vlc, if i set it to use the headset. but i'm not sure how to set the headset as default output and not my soundboxes.. the a2dp-debian-wiki entry did not help.. any idea how to do this? or the right keywords for google?
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2199 [13:20:46] <menace> ah, i disabled the other possibilities for audio output in the preferences.. now it routes to the headset
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2221 [13:32:04] <menace> lol, now i cannot switch back? :D
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2230 [13:39:27] <crocodilebilly> fuck you you crooked nigger dick suckin sons of bitches...you need to pay the royalties you fuckin owe and you need to return my wife and children you thieving murdering bastards
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2266 [14:02:02] <user____> any possibility to boot decompressed "Gzip archive" of "initrd.img" instead of compressed "Gzip archive" to avoid decompressing Gzip at every boot?
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2270 [14:03:45] <teclo-> user____: well it's about 20 years the Linux kernel is compressed
2271 [14:04:07] <teclo-> around 1996 it took perhaps about two seconds to uncompress it at boot time
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2273 [14:04:24] <teclo-> nowadays it's so fast you can't even time it
2274 [14:04:38] <teclo-> so I'd say it's "useless" to try to have an uncompressed kernel
2275 [14:04:51] <teclo-> but, yes, it can be done
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2277 [14:04:58] <Ke> user____: linux boots completely fine without compression
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2279 [14:05:18] <Ke> just provide image that has not been compressed
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2286 [14:09:02] <SRK143> Hello Everyone, I am injecting iframe but its not redirecting any suggestion
2287 [14:09:21] <SRK143> <iframe SRC="replaced-url
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2289 [14:09:21] <SRK143> +
2290 [14:09:43] <SRK143> I am stuck any suggestion would be appreciated
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2294 [14:12:17] <nutshell> !topic
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2312 [14:25:57] <SRK143> web application attack
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2316 [14:27:45] <nutshell> n00b
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2356 [14:44:45] <nutshell> channel limit??
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2359 [14:48:28] <BLUG_Fred> hi! I was wondering how i could install and configure a debian box with only a proprietary wifi firmware card. Spent the day with no success
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2366 [14:51:10] <dvs> !firmware iso
2367 [14:51:10] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
2368 [14:51:11] <menace> BLUG_Fred: how about replaced-url
2369 [14:51:15] <menace> ah
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2371 [14:51:27] <dvs> nope ;-)
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2373 [14:51:55] <BLUG_Fred> menace: tried that but it seems the install goes for the build-in eth0, and disabling it doesn't make it try to use the wifi card
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2376 [14:53:16] <BLUG_Fred> menace: it just says there is no ethernet card and try to have me pick one from a list.. which doesn't work
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2387 [14:58:10] <irreleph4nt> Hi all. I compiled a custom kernel, installed it and updated intel GuC and DMC ... now my system - even the stock kernel - won't boot
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2390 [14:58:32] <irreleph4nt> I am suspecting it's the intel GuC and DMC install script, because it updated my initramfs
2391 [14:59:02] <irreleph4nt> How do I debug/solve this though when I can't get past my grub screen? Monitor goes blank right after
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2408 [15:10:11] <mernilio> Hi all! :-) iM Sure the NYPD is here as well so i can be pretty safe!
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2411 [15:11:47] <mernilio> Hows the drugs here in debian,`=?
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2414 [15:12:26] <nutshell> need something
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2416 [15:12:40] <mernilio> yes
2417 [15:12:57] <mernilio> white china .. extra potent meth
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2421 [15:14:12] <nutshell> sry sweden is too far away :)
2422 [15:14:31] <mernilio> nutshell: i know, take care!
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2428 [15:16:10] <mernilio> Being in the hood the blacks seemed to accetpt me into their own inhabitat
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2432 [15:17:14] <mernilio> That was not a good thing to say. I appology!
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2434 [15:17:39] <mernilio> They have a cue card guy here
2435 [15:18:18] <mernilio> There!
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2437 [15:19:08] <mernilio> nutshell, keep it up, and hug your mum everdyday!
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2461 [15:33:50] <padrum> guys, I installed debian op my Dell Precision m6700, and updated my graphical drivers (ATI hd 7800 series) but i still get screen tears allover te place
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2464 [15:35:48] <padrum> any suggestions how to fix this issue?
2465 [15:35:59] <dvs> !tell padrum about non-free sources
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2474 [15:41:21] <padrum> Okat I tought i had all the driver.. apperantly i Didn't thanks!
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2489 [15:49:39] <koen_> I am getting this error ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
2490 [15:49:42] <koen_> how to bypass this
2491 [15:50:16] <Ke> koen_: what are you trying to do?
2492 [15:50:51] <koen_> run these scripts mysql -e "CREATE DATABASE drupal_db;" mysql -e "GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON drupal_db.* TO drupaluser@'localhost' identified by 'drupalpass';" mysql -e "FLUSH PRIVILEGES;"
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2494 [15:51:52] <Ke> ack
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2498 [15:54:46] <koen_> ack?
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2500 [15:55:36] <Ke> meaning that I have received the reply and stopped sending more data, I have no solution to this problem
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2503 [15:57:32] <sillyslux> koen_, try mysql -p -e
2504 [15:57:53] <koen_> u gotta specify password sillyslux
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2506 [15:58:23] <sillyslux> hm i thought it would ask you for the password then
2507 [15:59:57] <sillyslux> and it does...
2508 [16:00:00] <koen_> i had did some tweaking with .cnf file
2509 [16:00:09] <koen_> and now the authentication is bypassed
2510 [16:00:19] <sillyslux> so if your installation is pwd-protected you have to use -p
2511 [16:00:28] <sillyslux> oh
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2515 [16:01:05] <sillyslux> well then you propably have to do more tweaking
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2555 [16:14:15] <azarus> dutchfish: Thanks. Reinstalling solved every problem. Just need to reset the bios values now.
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2614 [16:38:00] <the_sniff> I can't seem to find out why my rsnapshot is skipping a directory i told it to back up. tried increasing the log level to 5, nothing useful in it
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2629 [16:41:38] <azarus> I want to use apt-transport-https, but how do i find mirrors that support it?
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2634 [16:43:45] <hamdjan> can you do an apache2 upgrade on a live production system?
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2638 [16:45:18] <Texou> the_sniff: a regular dir?
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2642 [16:47:00] <the_sniff> Texou, yes. running the command from rsnapshot -t daily works (but weirdly outpout at ~1gpbs)
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2644 [16:47:47] <Texou> hmmm
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2647 [16:48:28] <the_sniff> Texou its still copying files but i see no change in the dir. thats so od
2648 [16:48:30] <the_sniff> odd
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2651 [16:49:07] <Texou> the_sniff: is it the only dir, or are you copying other dirs successfully?
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2655 [16:49:47] <deepbluv> if i had to install an i386 library,should all dependencies to install be i386?
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2657 [16:50:05] <Texou> deepbluv: I think so
2658 [16:50:29] <deepbluv> Texou: ah.ok,thanx a lot
2659 [16:50:38] <the_sniff> Texou other ones are copied succefully
2660 [16:50:53] <the_sniff> how can i see the open file handles of a proc? cat /proc/pid/...
2661 [16:50:59] <Texou> the_sniff: and if you just rsnapshot the skipped dir?
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2663 [16:52:07] <the_sniff> Texou with out the cron? and as opposed to just rsync it?
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2669 [16:53:02] <Texou> the_sniff: yes
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2672 [16:53:39] <the_sniff> does it make sense that a 7.7GB file at 800mbps would take that long to copy?
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2674 [16:53:45] <the_sniff> Texou ill try it
2675 [16:54:43] <the_sniff> Texou wierd thing is it appears that some file is stuck at the read process
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2677 [16:55:00] <Texou> ah
2678 [16:55:10] <Texou> the_sniff: seems your explanation :)
2679 [16:55:32] <the_sniff> why would something like that happen? its 7.7GB and older, exact, backups are copied
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2684 [16:56:49] <the_sniff> not it oddely done lol seems we're back to the rsnapshot issue
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2692 [16:58:30] <Texou> the_sniff: have you tried rsync, simply?
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2697 [17:00:00] <FireZoneBlitz> Hi - when creating an install USB stick and I need the extra firmware, do I just unzip the firmware.tar.gz to /firmware on the USB stick?
2698 [17:00:12] <the_sniff> Texou yes the rsync from the rsnapshot works, but it takes for ever for some reason
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2702 [17:01:51] <the_sniff> could it ignore dirs that are too big?
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2719 [17:08:57] <petn-randall> FireZoneBlitz: That works, but an easier way it to use the firmware installer
2720 [17:08:59] <petn-randall> !firmware installer
2721 [17:09:00] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See replaced-url
2722 [17:09:03] <petn-randall> FireZoneBlitz: ^^^
2723 [17:09:21] <FireZoneBlitz> awesome thx
2724 [17:09:45] <mibert> hi all, quick question: best way to get gcc 6 on jessie? it's not in the backports, so just get it from testing repo; good idea? thanks a lot!
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2726 [17:10:15] <petn-randall> mibert: What do you need gcc 6 for?
2727 [17:10:28] <mibert> compiling :|
2728 [17:10:37] <petn-randall> mibert: Not that you don't have a valid reason, but the approaches might differ depending on the reason.
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2730 [17:10:49] <mibert> one time compile thing
2731 [17:10:54] <petn-randall> mibert: Compiling what, and for what target system?
2732 [17:11:08] <mibert> for the jessie system
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2735 [17:11:15] <mibert> stand alone application
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2737 [17:11:53] <mibert> i thought about compiling it on testing, but i had doubts the binary would just work, cause of different libs?!
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2741 [17:12:28] <mibert> work on jessie that is of course
2742 [17:12:31] <petn-randall> mibert: I'd make a chroot or a VM with jessie + gcc 6, that way any breakage will only affect it and not your whole system.
2743 [17:12:54] <mibert> ok, so basically getting gcc6 from the testing repo could be bad, right?
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2745 [17:13:39] <petn-randall> mibert: Mixing repos is generalliy a bad idea, I especially wouldn't do it to your OS you depend on.
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2747 [17:14:00] <petn-randall> mibert: Do it in a chroot, if you screw up you can just delete it and start over.
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2750 [17:14:23] <mibert> :) ok, i'll go with vm jessie+gcc6. thank you very much for your help!
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2787 [17:27:23] <deepbluv> i'm on amd64 jessie and i need to install a i368 library.Should I install all dependencies i368 as well?
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2790 [17:28:58] <KaliLinuxGR> deepbluv: dpkg --add-architecture i386
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2792 [17:29:09] <missmbob> followed by apt-get update
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2794 [17:29:38] <missmbob> !multiarch howto
2795 [17:29:39] <dpkg> from memory, multiarch howto is replaced-url
2796 [17:30:09] <deepbluv> KaliLinuxGR: i;m not connectind but i install from local directory as dpkg -i <package>
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2812 [17:35:31] <deepbluv> missmbob: i;m not connectind but i install from local directory as dpkg -i <package>
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2816 [17:36:26] <asarch> What is the button for the button between configure and lock buttons? Between the configure and lock buttons: replaced-url
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2818 [17:36:56] <missmbob> deepbluv: it doesnt matter how you install. you should use gdebi to pull in dependencies though
2819 [17:37:07] <missmbob> !tell deepbluv about gdebi
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2823 [17:38:22] <deepbluv> missmbob: that's great,thanx a lot
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2826 [17:39:07] <asarch> Sorry, wrong button
2827 [17:39:16] <thejoker> hey
2828 [17:39:38] <irreleph4nt> Hi all. I have this issue where all of a sudden I can't boot without nomodeset on intel i915. If I do not add nomodeset my monitor blanks out when the initramfs is loaded and I have to hard-shutdown the system
2829 [17:39:51] <irreleph4nt> How do I fix this?
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2851 [17:55:09] <jhutchins> irreleph4nt: Did you recently update the system with a new kernel?
2852 [17:55:18] <jhutchins> irreleph4nt: Which release?
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2861 [17:58:24] <irreleph4nt> jhutchins: I actually compiled one for the Microsoft Surface Pro4 with integrated touc support ... lemme get you that link
2862 [17:58:39] <irreleph4nt> jhutchins: replaced-url
2863 [17:58:51] <irreleph4nt> These are the instructions I followed ^
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2868 [18:00:35] <jhutchins> irreleph4nt: Trying a stock kernel would be the first step in troubleshooting.
2869 [18:00:39] <jhutchins> irreleph4nt: Which release?
2870 [18:00:55] <irreleph4nt> jhutchins: I am on jessie
2871 [18:01:07] <irreleph4nt> issue is: the stock kernel also does not boot anymore
2872 [18:01:28] <irreleph4nt> all I did was run the install script for the updated intel GuC and DMC binaries
2873 [18:01:37] <irreleph4nt> which updated the initramfs
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2880 [18:05:24] <jhutchins> irreleph4nt: So at the very least you need to go back to the previous initramfs.
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2882 [18:05:34] <jhutchins> ,kernels
2883 [18:05:35] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.8.0-2-686-pae (4.8.11-1); stretch: 4.8.0-1-686-pae (4.8.7-1); jessie-backports: 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.7.8-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.82-1)
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2885 [18:05:59] <johnkeates> does debian have network packages to use the intel and broadcom cable length and frequency test options?
2886 [18:06:13] <jhutchins> You're also on an untested kernel, you might want to revert to 4.7 or 4.8 if the patches are available for those.
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2892 [18:08:53] <irreleph4nt> jhutchins: I am new to debian (used to use Arch) ... how do I do that? :S
2893 [18:09:09] <irreleph4nt> If possible I'd like to revert to something newer than 3.16
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2896 [18:10:43] <jhutchins> You could try just installing 4.7 from backports. You could try reverting the changes you made (I assume you don't have a backup, nobody ever does).
2897 [18:11:53] <jhutchins> irreleph4nt: The most obvious thing is to reverse whatever you did that broke it.
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2904 [18:14:09] <majukarma> is it correct to update a backport with command : apt -t jessie-backport install <package_name> ? or is there a better way to perform it?
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2910 [18:18:03] <jhutchins> majukarma: Backports should update automatically once they've been installed. I think the syntax is ..."install -t jessie-backports"...
2911 [18:18:51] <jhutchins> irreleph4nt: I didn't see anything about DMC binaries, the intel binary is just a symlink so easy to remove, then rebuind the initramfs.
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2921 [18:22:44] <majukarma> yes, i made a miss it's jessie-backports... but, I've installed LibreOffice backports a few month ago, and today an update was detected... I was expecting it to update automatically as usual but it doesn't. So I dig for a solution on debian forums and wiki... I apply the command (with a 's') and it seems to work... But I'm not sure it was the correct way...
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2923 [18:23:41] <majukarma> does something is going wrong with my config?
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2929 [18:25:08] <irreleph4nt> jhutchins: happen to have to command handy to update all initramfs at the same time?
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2934 [18:26:22] <mernilio> For you debian users. One thing under god. Do you think Jesus will resurect in the US of A? Are you worth it`?
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2936 [18:26:41] <mernilio> Are you worth it?
2937 [18:26:48] <ikonia> mernilio: this is offtopic as you know
2938 [18:27:05] <mernilio> sure, im cool
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2940 [18:28:00] <mernilio> Its so silent here i just wanted to create a buzz ... ;-)
2941 [18:28:07] <ikonia> please don't
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2943 [18:28:37] <mernilio> oki
2944 [18:28:51] <majukarma> Create a chan for debian-buzz ;)
2945 [18:28:52] <ikonia> thank you
2946 [18:28:54] <jhutchins> irreleph4nt: Could intel_idle.max_cstate=2 be relevant? Did htat get left out?
2947 [18:29:16] <irreleph4nt> jhutchins: I removed this from the ekrnel boot line but it still hangs
2948 [18:29:27] <irreleph4nt> but again, how do I update the initramfs in debian?
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2950 [18:29:36] <irreleph4nt> I want to update both kernels at once, please
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2953 [18:29:54] <jhutchins> irreleph4nt: I believe the current system uses drakut to create the initramfs, I think makeinitramfs is still valid, but you should look it up, I haven't done anything except the default automated process in a few years.
2954 [18:30:08] <jhutchins> irreleph4nt: You have a very non-Debian system there if you've followed that page.
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2956 [18:30:56] <majukarma> does somebody use libreoffice backports on jessie ? if yes, how does apt update and upgrade works for you? Do you need to upgrade it manually?
2957 [18:31:12] <jhutchins> irreleph4nt: The docs on initramfs should explain how to create one for more than one kernel. You can only create one at a time.
2958 [18:31:13] <irreleph4nt> jhutchins: well, except for the libertas firmware everything else is straight from the jessie repo
2959 [18:31:48] <irreleph4nt> jhutchins: so I'll have to find out how to update an initramfs in debian in the first place
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2961 [18:31:53] <irreleph4nt> man, I hate searching
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2963 [18:32:38] <irreleph4nt> where do I specify modules I want build into the initramfs?
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2971 [18:35:26] <jhutchins> irreleph4nt: You should be able to just install the 4.7 kernel from the repos or the 4.8 from backports and it should build the initramfs for each when you do.
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2974 [18:36:20] <jhutchins> irreleph4nt: If you had the new kernel booting though, you could just go through the steps you used to create it originally, minus the steps that broke it.
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2976 [18:37:24] <irreleph4nt> jhutchins: which would require me to know what actually broke it
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2984 [18:40:05] <irreleph4nt> This is way too enraging ... think I'll just ditch debian and go back to arch instead
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2986 [18:40:38] <irreleph4nt> jhutchins: thanks for your help, tho. I'll try and install the ekrnel from backports and see if it boots
2987 [18:40:52] <irreleph4nt> If it doesn't, well then too bad, but I am done with debian
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2994 [18:42:23] <arPh04> Question: What is the difference between the freenode & OFTC #debian channels? Anything specific?
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2999 [18:43:03] <johnkeates> different networks, that's all
3000 [18:43:21] <johnkeates> also, on oftc there are devel, next and maintainer channels and those are not on freenode
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3004 [18:43:53] <arPh04> That was my assumption. Thank you.
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3010 [18:45:52] <irreleph4nt> jhutchins: 4.7 also does not boot. Thanks man, but I am done with Debian
3011 [18:46:51] <arPh04> I have to say that the securing debian manual is a bit of a pain since systemd was adopted. Any wise tips or references to mitigate the odd migraine?
3012 [18:46:54] <mernilio> Its so crowdy here`
3013 [18:47:14] <mernilio> I must go in to blend in
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3016 [18:47:21] <Richard_Cavell> mernilio: I'll give you some space [ ]
3017 [18:47:33] <mernilio> Thanks rich!
3018 [18:48:12] <johnkeates> arPh04: use saltstack and ignore systemd, problem solved
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3020 [18:48:30] <arPh04> that is certainly one solution.
3021 [18:49:22] <mernilio> But in the name of intelligense one must use sytem v of course!
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3023 [18:50:19] <mernilio> Forget it! :-)
3024 [18:50:25] <arPh04> hahaha.. yeah.. nope.
3025 [18:50:42] <johnkeates> you can also adopt launchd or openrc :p
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3027 [18:50:48] <johnkeates> launchd works well on bsd
3028 [18:50:50] <johnkeates> and osx
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3048 [18:59:04] <mernilio> You guys do woderful thing .. don forget it!
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3052 [19:00:08] <mernilio> I have to go now. Its sleeping time in santas part of the world.
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3056 [19:01:37] <mernilio> I dont wish .. i hope you can make your spouse a merry merry ... something... :- P
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3082 [19:14:30] <petn-randall> arPh04: No one's stopping you from using plain old sysv init on jessie.
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3100 [19:18:47] <loggus> hi
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3104 [19:19:05] <loggus> Can logrotate also rotate multiple log files at once?
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3113 [19:20:21] <wedgie> loggus: by default it rotates many logs... what do you mean?
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3121 [19:22:11] <Brigo_> any op here?
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3123 [19:22:50] <ikonia> may want to try #debian-ops
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3125 [19:23:27] <Brigo_> ikonia, thaks, i will
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3127 [19:24:18] <loggus> wedgie: I mean, rotate a group of log files at the same time and then use a single postrotate command to flush the log files
3128 [19:24:31] <loggus> wedgie: currently it would rather rotate one by one probably - because they all got the same interval, and then flush each time
3129 [19:24:34] <loggus> I don't think this is very efficient
3130 [19:24:45] <loggus> it is the same daemon that generates these
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3149 [19:32:41] <noqnio1> i have been using stable as my daily for a long time, and i decided to try testing.. first boot, tracker is taking up 100% on one core and filling up the ram
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3155 [19:35:19] <zykotick9> noqnio1: for testing/sid support you might want to try #debian-next on the OFTC network...
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3160 [19:36:50] <noqnio1> i killed it, just came here to whine a bit :D
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3248 [20:03:15] <BartQ> Do you know any milter application (postfix), which has functionality to perform SPF authentication and write AR header? (except spf-milter-python)
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3255 [20:05:38] <likcoras> Why does selecting nothing during the "select and install software" still end up installing ~70 more packages than it would if I just skipped that step completely?
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3261 [20:07:29] <qman__> likcoras: updates
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3263 [20:08:06] <likcoras> It looks like it ends up installing task-laptop, even though I did not select anything in that stage.
3264 [20:08:06] <zykotick9> OMG, installing debian requires some packages to be installed?!?!
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3277 [20:11:58] <dutchfish> likcoras, `aptitude search ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant -F%p` tells you what packages they are and needed.
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3280 [20:13:01] <dutchfish> likcoras, also tasksel
3281 [20:13:07] <likcoras> Huh, alright
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3294 [20:17:33] <loggus> What are the most important/useful log files on a Debian/Linux system? :D
3295 [20:17:39] <loggus> dmesg, auth.log and syslog I guess
3296 [20:17:50] <loggus> but which are generic and on any default system?
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3301 [20:20:07] <julius> hi
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3303 [20:20:54] <julius> it says here: replaced-url
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3316 [20:26:06] <arPh04> #debian on OFTC is getting clobbered atm.. yeesh
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3326 [20:29:36] <arPh04> petn-randall: it'd be kind of silly not to get to know systemd. Whether I like it or not, it's here.
3327 [20:29:52] <asulil> hi all
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3331 [20:30:59] <asulil> can you me link of debian version I can install easier from usb disk
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3338 [20:31:40] <arPh04> any and all.. just use dd if you're on linux or mac..
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3340 [20:32:17] <asulil> I am using yumi, It doesn't work with live cd, I wonder if it's better to user different unetbootin or...?
3341 [20:32:41] <asulil> any cue guys?
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3343 [20:32:58] <asulil> arPh04: are you with me?
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3346 [20:33:45] <arPh04> in what regard?
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3356 [20:35:57] <arPh04> i've had issues with unetbootin with the odd livecd.. best use debian-8.6.0-(arch)-DVD-1.iso for starters if you don't need live
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3359 [20:37:36] <zykotick9> asulil: use cp/cat/dd (probably in that order) would be my suggestion... for windows there is some win32imager (or something like that)
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3361 [20:37:53] <asulil> arPh04: I have one old version debian squeeze, I wonder If it will work of not?
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3363 [20:38:25] <asulil> Imean debian squeeze on cd
3364 [20:38:26] <zykotick9> asulil: also not, debian live-stuff does NOT support UEFI systems!
3365 [20:38:43] <arPh04> ^ that
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3367 [20:38:51] <zykotick9> asulil: squeeze... really... i wouldn't bother, ymmv.
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3372 [20:39:34] <asulil> zykotick9: thanks for the information. No my machine uses bios system
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3380 [20:42:26] <asulil> arPh04: are you using the right version as a server (debian-8.6.0-(arch)-DVD-1.iso)?
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3385 [20:43:54] * zykotick9 thinks the only "sane" debian install media is netinst, using the text install... but... others have different opinions/results.
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3387 [20:43:56] <arPh04> I should clarify.. where (arch) is, chose the correct architecture i386, amd64, etc
3388 [20:44:17] <ledufakademy> hello, petite question : comment savoir si on passe par un serveur proxy (de notre FAI) ? dans un proxy transparent ?
3389 [20:44:23] <gry> zykotick9, :-) many people use a live cd to test their hardware, though (netinst doesn't let you do that iirc)
3390 [20:44:47] <asulil> does anyone if debian squeese still stable and avialble of not? thanks
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3393 [20:44:55] <missmbob> !fr
3394 [20:44:55] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
3395 [20:44:55] <zykotick9> gry: oh, i understanding using live for testing/rescue... for install... NO WAY
3396 [20:45:08] <gry> zykotick9, ya
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3399 [20:45:25] <arPh04> I prefer DVD-1 simply because I don't want to just jack a fresh system onto the interweb before a good amount of hardening.
3400 [20:45:45] <zykotick9> asulil: squeeze might have some LTS support still going (i'm not sure), but the regular repos are all down at this point...
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3406 [20:46:57] <lilibox> hi
3407 [20:47:18] <asulil> zykotick9: thanks for the information. o for server you woul not recommand it right?
3408 [20:47:23] <missmbob> zykotick9 asulil: there's no LTS for squeeze
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3412 [20:48:03] <lilibox> i am still fighting with my RAID1, now i am trying to find solution how to get grub on GPT disk
3413 [20:48:10] <zykotick9> asulil: don't install squeeze. get the netinst for something supported. missmbob thanks.
3414 [20:48:56] <zykotick9> asulil: ^ or the dvd1 (or cd1) if you want a bigger initial download...
3415 [20:49:10] <arPh04> ^ that's the ticket
3416 [20:49:42] <lilibox> i had 2 TB disks , MBR and one partition for md0 raid1, i degraded this array and connected new 4TB disk, i used gdisk to change new 4TB disk as GPT and crerated one partition which was added to previosly degraded md0 array
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3419 [20:50:46] <lilibox> i would like to add grub there or make it anyhow bootable and finally add another 4TB disk to complete new RAID1 and then grow this md0
3420 [20:51:04] <asulil> missmbob: are you sure there's no LTS for debian squeeze?
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3422 [20:51:21] <missmbob> asulil: yes i'm sure. ended feb 2016
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3424 [20:52:07] <zykotick9> asulil: you should also realize that debian's lts releases only cover a subset of packages, NOT the entire origional repo! so it's only for _very_ specialized deployments.
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3426 [20:52:21] <asulil> missmbob: thank you. can you tell me which are the LTS versions?
3427 [20:52:44] <asulil> for server I mean
3428 [20:52:56] <zykotick9> asulil: lts is a newer debian-thing... that just extend "some" of the package of old-stable for a longer period of time.
3429 [20:53:11] <missmbob> asulil: get jessie. replaced-url
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3434 [20:55:15] <asulil> missmbob: I tried some live cd versions such as netinst, gnome, unfortunetely it doesn't work. I don not have dvd
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3440 [20:55:44] <missmbob> you tried live cd such as netinst. okay.
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3444 [20:57:21] <zykotick9> asulil: Live-Debian isn't the suggested install method for debian, using: dvd1/cd1/netinst are the 3 options - these are NOT LiveCDs!!!
3445 [20:57:24] <asulil> zykotick9: do you mean that all servers should be upgraded everytime!?
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3448 [20:58:03] <missmbob> asulil: when you lose security support, yes, it should be upgraded
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3450 [20:58:12] <missmbob> asulil: how did you copy the iso to the usb?
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3452 [20:58:50] <missmbob> asulil: and what the hell does "doesn't work" mean?
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3456 [21:00:05] <asulil> missmbob: I am using yumi (universal multiboot installer)
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3459 [21:00:32] <missmbob> asulil: well dont
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3461 [21:00:56] <missmbob> asulil: why dont you read the install guide and use what it suggests? otherwise you'll be left with useless non-working usbs
3462 [21:01:22] <missmbob> asulil: are you making it in windows or linux?
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3469 [21:04:46] <zykotick9> asulil: if you have access to a gnu/linux machine, and you know what the device name of your USB drive is sda/sdb/sdc/etc.. you can just use cp (with sudo or run as root) "cp debian-BLAH.iso /dev/sde" <- i'm using "sde" in this example, you need to update this to YOUR system! but notice i'm NOT using a partition number sde1, it's the device sde we want
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3471 [21:05:42] * zykotick9 hopes asulil doesn't actually have an sde and this example was safe ;)
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3484 [21:11:33] <asulil> zykotick: I removed the old installation, now I need to reinstall a new one.
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3486 [21:12:01] <missmbob> asulil: you're using windows to make the usb, right?
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3492 [21:13:18] <zykotick9> asulil: you can use TAB to autocomplete nicknames. ^ if you are using windows i have NO suggestions!
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3494 [21:13:47] <missmbob> if you're using windows you *need* to use win32diskimager. no other tools. not yumi. not rufus. not unetbootin
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3496 [21:13:52] <missmbob> !win32diskimager
3497 [21:13:52] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
3498 [21:14:29] <asulil> missmbob: on windows, as I said. I had problem with dualboot once I reeinstalled windows. I tried to recover my disk with testtdisk unfortunetely I couldn't. Now, I decided to reeinstall debian properly.
3499 [21:14:57] <missmbob> asulil: great. read above.
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3505 [21:17:33] <zykotick9> "<zykotick9> ... for windows there is some win32imager" <- i was close: horse-shoes and hand-gernades...
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3508 [21:19:08] <missmbob> oh etcher is the other one i couldn't remember. fuck these POS "usb creators"
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3512 [21:21:47] <asulil> missmbob, zykotick: I 'll try. thanks guys
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3518 [21:25:32] <asulil> missmbob: tell me, is gnome version on cd1.iso by default or I need to install it once I install the system?
3519 [21:25:57] <asulil> *once I finished to install the system
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3523 [21:26:27] <Joergi> Hi guys!
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3526 [21:26:54] <Joergi> What is wrong with this cronjob?
3527 [21:26:58] <Joergi> 5 4 * * * wiki tar czf /home/wiki/backup/wiki.tar.gz -C / home/wiki/replaced-url
3528 [21:26:59] <missmbob> asulil: gnome is default
3529 [21:27:03] <Joergi> It returns
3530 [21:27:52] <Joergi> an error: /bin/sh: 1: wiki: not found
3531 [21:27:54] <missmbob> the fact that you couldnt paste it properly is likely a hint
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3535 [21:28:25] <asulil> missmbob: ok. thanks
3536 [21:28:29] <epsilon> Joergi: where's the cronjob located? In user's or /etc?
3537 [21:28:38] <missmbob> Joergi: replaced-url
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3541 [21:28:59] <missmbob> right before tar
3542 [21:29:03] <Joergi> epsilon: I have it in my user's crontab. Added it with crontab -e.
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3544 [21:29:51] <Joergi> Does that answer help you help me?
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3546 [21:30:12] <Joergi> missmbob: You mean the line should look like this:
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3548 [21:30:21] <Joergi> 5 4 * * * tar czf /home/wiki/backup/wiki.tar.gz -C / home/wiki/replaced-url
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3550 [21:30:25] <missmbob> Joergi: yes
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3553 [21:30:55] <Joergi> Oh. I copied this command from an old system where it worked. Do I not need the username at this place?
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3557 [21:31:30] <missmbob> you can. i was serious when i said it didn't paste properly. so there's something in there that you copied that you perhaps cant see
3558 [21:31:55] <azarus> I'm experiencing this exact issue, and i don't know a workaround... replaced-url
3559 [21:31:56] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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3561 [21:32:15] <Joergi> I saw your paste. It really is not what I see here. Annoying. How could YOU see the crap?
3562 [21:32:36] <missmbob> Joergi: i use irssi
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3564 [21:33:02] <missmbob> it doesnt play well random encodes
3565 [21:33:09] <missmbob> well with*
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3567 [21:33:24] <Joergi> missmbob: I will just type the line again. Should it now be with or without the word "wiki" in it? (wiki being my username.)
3568 [21:33:54] <missmbob> Joergi: wiki is fine. just retype it by hand. dont copy/paste the same encoded junk
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3570 [21:34:12] <Joergi> I copied it from Notepad++, IIRC...
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3575 [21:35:48] <epsilon> Joergi: in user's cronjob, you don't need to mention the user (wiki). Beside that, consider to write longer commands in a bash file, and execute that bashfile via cronjob
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3581 [21:38:19] <Joergi> epsilon, missmbob: Is there a way to test, if it will work now (apart from changing the time to match what we have in a minute or so)?
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3584 [21:39:39] <epsilon> good one time testing is to change the exec time to the next minute
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3588 [21:40:27] <epsilon> here is 21:40, so exec time like 41 21 * * *
3589 [21:40:47] <Joergi> epsilon: Yes, that is what I did for now! :-)
3590 [21:40:55] <Joergi> Ohh, oh, oh! It is running...
3591 [21:41:03] <Joergi> *I'm so excited...*
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3595 [21:43:19] <Joergi> epsilon, missmbob: It is working! Thanks to you both! :-)
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3602 [21:46:00] <Joergi> Second and last question for today:
3603 [21:46:10] <Joergi> How would I logrotate this file?
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3605 [21:46:26] <Joergi> I tried adding a new file to /etc/logrotate.d/, but I don't have permission to...
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3609 [21:49:48] <jcjordyn120-andr> what is the live cd user username and password?
3610 [21:50:21] <missmbob> !live user
3611 [21:50:21] <dpkg> The debian-live images for Debian 8 "Jessie" have a user account configured for you to use. username: user ; password: live
3612 [21:50:45] <jcjordyn120-andr> missmbob: thanks! :)
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3617 [21:52:36] <devCon> Ohh my god, soo frustrated here with setting up an external wifi card from thinkpenguin, I just followed these instructions replaced-url
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3619 [21:53:02] <devCon> should I file an issue once and for all?
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3622 [21:53:36] <devCon> using debian/testing-kde desktop
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3625 [21:56:25] <devCon> problem: network available but not succesful connection
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3627 [21:56:39] <bravvve> hi,can't turn on tun interface under jessie amd 64
3628 [21:56:53] <missmbob> you should be able to just sudo apt install firmware-atheros and reboot
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3630 [21:57:21] <missmbob> also go to the right place
3631 [21:57:25] <missmbob> !debian-next
3632 [21:57:25] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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3646 [22:02:20] <devCon> Ok I'll do that thanks
3647 [22:02:36] <devCon> 4 pointing me out
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3731 [22:36:15] <AlexLikeRock> pipeligth , its working ?
3732 [22:36:27] <AlexLikeRock> or abandoned?
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3741 [22:38:22] <missmbob> AlexLikeRock: pipelight is dead
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3744 [22:38:47] <AlexLikeRock> tanks missmbob
3745 [22:38:53] <AlexLikeRock> i need silver ligth
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3747 [22:39:00] <AlexLikeRock> what can i do ?
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3749 [22:39:12] <AlexLikeRock> install mono by GIT ?
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3757 [22:40:47] <azarus> Is there a readahead program in debian stretch?
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3759 [22:41:22] <babilen> dpkg: tell azarus -about search
3760 [22:41:32] <nkuttler> is there one in jessie?
3761 [22:41:43] <azarus> I've searched the repos, no luck. There are for jessie, though.
3762 [22:42:06] <nkuttler> azarus: and all those packages were dropped?
3763 [22:42:17] <azarus> I want to install readahead-fedora, isn't in stretch.
3764 [22:42:28] <azarus> I'm not sure, but i don't see them, nkuttler
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3766 [22:43:03] <azarus> nkuttler: replaced-url
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3769 [22:44:04] <babilen> azarus: Isn't that functionality in systemd now?
3770 [22:44:24] <azarus> babilen: Why is that package in jessie then?
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3772 [22:44:54] <babilen> Probably because it wasn't removed by the time of the freeze
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3775 [22:46:17] <azarus> Anyway. this is really bugging me in stretch: replaced-url
3776 [22:46:18] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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3778 [22:46:33] <babilen> How does that relate to readahead?
3779 [22:46:51] <azarus> It doesnt really, only that it is relevant in laptop use :P
3780 [22:46:54] <babilen> And, fwiw, testing/unstable are supported in #debian-next
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3782 [22:47:18] <babilen> (on irc.oftc.net)
3783 [22:47:30] <babilen> good night
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3785 [22:47:38] <azarus> Sure. G'night.
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3788 [22:48:38] <azarus> Thanks for the info
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3847 [23:09:06] <tlund> Why did "make-kpkg -j4 --initrd --append-to-version -aufs.1 --revision 1 kernel_image" generate a file called "linux-image-4.8.0-aufs.1+_1_amd64.deb"? (note the plus-sign)
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3862 [23:16:36] <missmbob> tlund: make-kpkg is deprecated now in favor of make deb-pkg. in your case you want something like make deb-pkg LOCALVERSION=-aufs KDEB_PKGVERSION=$(make kernelversion)-1
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3870 [23:18:59] <implijer> would you rather user memtest+ or memtest for testing the RAM ?
3871 [23:20:02] <Devastator> memtest+
3872 [23:20:59] <missmbob> + isn't currently maintained by anyone. so the one without + has more features and is more stable
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3874 [23:21:42] <Devastator> isn't it just the opposite?
3875 [23:22:18] <missmbob> no
3876 [23:22:26] <Devastator> ok then
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3879 [23:23:48] <implijer> great missmbob
3880 [23:24:07] <implijer> I had read this one time months ago, I never was able to confirm :)
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3884 [23:26:55] <mrrtump> I am enjoying debian icewm firefox testign version! Im the man
3885 [23:27:03] <mrrtump> by the gods I am brilliant
3886 [23:27:04] <mrrtump> and sexy
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3888 [23:27:31] <missmbob> and annoyingly offtopic
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3891 [23:28:19] <mrrtump> whats the topic? I have 20 years unix
3892 [23:28:23] <mrrtump> I can proably solve it
3893 [23:28:38] <abrotman> mrrtump: Do you need help with Debian?
3894 [23:28:45] <mrrtump> Im offering help
3895 [23:28:54] <implijer> we are all doing that idling here :p
3896 [23:29:00] <abrotman> then be quiet, and wait for someone to ask for help
3897 [23:29:18] <mrrtump> oow are you an op?
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3900 [23:29:41] <abrotman> It doesn't matter who is or isn't, this channel is for Debian support
3901 [23:30:07] <mrrtump> ok jsut dont tell me what to do, I am here to help, not be nagged
3902 [23:30:32] <abrotman> sure ...
3903 [23:30:40] <teraflops> implijer: that's how irc works, 80% idling, 15% trolling and 5% doing support
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3905 [23:30:57] <strass> what does firmware-iwlwifi has no installation candidate mean?
3906 [23:31:17] <abrotman> strass: you don't have non-free sources most likely
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3908 [23:31:23] <strass> aah
3909 [23:31:23] <teraflops> mrrtump: your irc percentage of trolling is abnormal though
3910 [23:31:25] <strass> let me check that
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3912 [23:32:04] <implijer> teraflops you made your point, stop trolling :p
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3914 [23:32:57] <teraflops> implijer: I have to fill my 5%!
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3917 [23:33:17] <teraflops> 15^ xD, sorry I shut uo now
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3930 [23:39:27] <mrrtump> teraflops: says who?
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3932 [23:39:33] <mrrtump> msot people are fine with my irc
3933 [23:39:39] <mrrtump> I am very normal
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3935 [23:39:56] <mrrtump> I can help most people
3936 [23:40:03] <mrrtump> I have vast experience
3937 [23:40:45] <nkuttler> mrrtump: nobody cares, this is a support channel, stop talking about yourself
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3939 [23:40:50] <tlund> missmbob: what is the debian package that contains deb-pkg?
3940 [23:41:11] <nkuttler> tlund: dpkg -S `which deb-pkg`
3941 [23:41:16] <nkuttler> !tell tlund about search
3942 [23:41:19] <missmbob> tlund: no package.
3943 [23:41:22] <tlund> nkuttler: yeah, that doesn't work if you don't have it.
3944 [23:41:29] <missmbob> tlund: you just "make deb-pkg" in a vanilla kernel
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3946 [23:41:39] <tlund> missmbob: oh.
3947 [23:41:40] <missmbob> it's a makefile rule that creates deb packages
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3950 [23:42:30] <tlund> yeah, I was just not expecting the linux kernel to come with debian specific things in the Makefile.
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3957 [23:45:11] <eipi10> can anyone say if this is still relevant....the readahead section (first section)
3958 [23:45:15] <eipi10> replaced-url
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3961 [23:45:37] <eipi10> any help is appreciated
3962 [23:47:07] <julius> ji
3963 [23:47:08] <julius> hi
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3966 [23:47:45] <julius> it says in here: replaced-url
3967 [23:47:50] <AvatarA> eipi10, with magnetic drives, might be
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3969 [23:48:04] <AvatarA> but now I use systemd-readahead
3970 [23:48:27] <missmbob> julius: that is. the second part is what makes it permanent
3971 [23:48:32] <missmbob> julius: so...finish reading
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3974 [23:48:50] <eipi10> in 8.6, I only have fedora-readahead in repos.
3975 [23:48:51] <teraflops> eipi10: replaced-url
3976 [23:49:10] <mrrtump> shut up nkuttler
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3979 [23:49:31] <eipi10> yeah, ok teraflops.
3980 [23:49:42] <eipi10> tks. I thought that was the case.
3981 [23:49:46] <teraflops> yeah
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3986 [23:51:00] <eipi10> appreciate it.
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3988 [23:51:20] <teraflops> np
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3990 [23:51:43] <AvatarA> I shaved a few seconds off boot time with systemd's readahead, but as I said, on a magnetic drive
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3994 [23:53:00] <teraflops> AvatarA: my system boots slower with readahead (SSD here)
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3996 [23:53:47] <AvatarA> makes sense that on ssd it only complicates things
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3998 [23:54:33] <AvatarA> but on magnetic, the more files you need to read on boot, the more it helps
3999 [23:54:36] <teraflops> eipi10: what's your goal, speed up boot process?
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4001 [23:54:48] <eipi10> AvatarA: oh. did you merely install it, or proceed you instructions similar to replaced-url
4002 [23:54:57] <eipi10> procced with^
4003 [23:55:33] <AvatarA> didn't install anything, it's installed by default with jessie
4004 [23:55:45] <eipi10> yeah, tera, I'm on a dino-bot testing Debian. There doesn't seem to be a 'pack' file to toss.
4005 [23:55:50] <AvatarA> I just had to 'systemctl enable' some units
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4009 [23:57:33] <eipi10> I'm really only being anal about it all. boot speed for 1gig ram is 22 secs, using plymouth candy. I odnt think thats bad.
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4015 [23:58:59] <teraflops> eipi10: uhm, apart from not enabling shit you dont need at boot I only can think of a custom initramfs
4016 [23:59:22] <eipi10> ...oh, ok. I was just gonna ask. thanks.
4017 [23:59:28] <eipi10> I'm fully noob.
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