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0 [00:00:38] <redrabbit> strange thing, can't you pin the command line interface in lxde taskbar ?
1 [00:00:44] <redrabbit> i tried drag & drop
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4 [00:01:08] <redrabbit> also couln't find click on trackpad tap
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6 [00:01:23] <darkash> I use only keyboard
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8 [00:01:53] <redrabbit> it is the best
9 [00:02:10] <redrabbit> can't stand mouse operation from a trackpad anyway..
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35 [00:14:08] <Artemis3> redrabbit, why don't you use i3? xD
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38 [00:14:32] <redrabbit> what's that
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41 [00:15:18] <Artemis3> replaced-url
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43 [00:15:55] <CitizenZ> hey yall.
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45 [00:16:20] <CitizenZ> So i ran init 3 so i could install the nvidia binary for my gtx960
46 [00:16:31] <CitizenZ> now when i restart lightdm doesn't apear anymore
47 [00:16:42] <CitizenZ> i was looking at this replaced-url
48 [00:16:53] <CitizenZ> it says there should be an /etc/inittab
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50 [00:17:09] <CitizenZ> but i don't go that. all i get is a blanking line when i go to runlevel 5
51 [00:17:22] <CitizenZ> any ideas?
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53 [00:18:08] <redrabbit> Artemis3: ok as an alternative to lxde
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55 [00:18:32] <redrabbit> tbh i choose lxde because i dont do much gui and i wanted something without much tinkering
56 [00:18:38] <somiaj> CitizenZ: are you using debian jessie? did you swtich from systemd back to sysvrc?
57 [00:18:48] <redrabbit> its for machine that mainly runs all CLI/text only
58 [00:18:53] <redrabbit> for server stuff
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60 [00:19:10] <Artemis3> yes its not mouse dependant if you take a look
61 [00:19:18] <redrabbit> so the gui is like an option i will use once in a while
62 [00:19:27] <CitizenZ> i am using debian jessie.
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64 [00:19:39] <CitizenZ> i didn't do anything other than run init 3 to install the driver
65 [00:19:42] <redrabbit> Artemis3: i bookmarked it
66 [00:19:43] <CitizenZ> do i need to do something else?
67 [00:19:43] <Artemis3> and ofc very light
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69 [00:19:48] <somiaj> redrabbit: a simple wm + install the software you want will be more minimial. Many don't require much to set up, but you will have to install the sofware you need.
70 [00:19:49] <redrabbit> when i have time to kill ill try
71 [00:20:08] <redrabbit> WM = ?
72 [00:20:12] <somiaj> CitizenZ: you shoudln't need to run init 3, systemd doens't really use the concept of runlevels, so unsure what that did.
73 [00:20:13] <redrabbit> oh window manager
74 [00:20:15] <redrabbit> gotcha
75 [00:20:24] <somiaj> redrabbit: it is one small part of a desktop
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77 [00:20:36] <Artemis3> the thing that manages windows :3
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79 [00:20:57] <redrabbit> agreed, i just installed lxde because i dont want to spend much time setting up a gui on that particular machine
80 [00:21:08] <somiaj> and many of the wms have okay defaults that don't require to much tinkering, you just don't get all the software installed at once and integrated together.
81 [00:21:09] <Artemis3> that one is tiling so you don't need to waste time resizing/moving etc
82 [00:21:11] <redrabbit> and its known to be pretty fast
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85 [00:21:28] <redrabbit> your system looks tight thp
86 [00:21:29] <redrabbit> though
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88 [00:21:42] <Artemis3> not mine :3
89 [00:21:43] <redrabbit> probably needs more time to learn how to use it
90 [00:21:52] <CitizenZ> somiaj: well i did go into init 3, and now im stuck :/
91 [00:21:56] <somiaj> yea debian provides choice, choose the one that best suits your needs.
92 [00:22:08] <somiaj> CitizenZ: I'm unsure how init actually affects systemd. This is even after a restart?
93 [00:22:22] <CitizenZ> yeah, i restarted
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95 [00:22:29] <Artemis3> nah, just apt-get install i3-wm
96 [00:22:41] <Artemis3> or i3
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98 [00:23:06] <somiaj> CitizenZ: does going back to init 2 fix thigns?
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100 [00:23:39] <CitizenZ> somiaj: no, unfortinuatly not. i just get a black screen with a blinking cursor looking thing
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102 [00:24:02] <somiaj> CitizenZ: I think the issue is the drivers not the run lveel
103 [00:24:07] <somiaj> CitizenZ: how did you install the nvidia drivers?
104 [00:24:11] <CitizenZ> yeah. you might be right
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108 [00:24:32] <CitizenZ> somiaj: i went to the nvidia website, chose my card and linux and downloaded the driver installer
109 [00:24:40] <Artemis3> haha always the wrong way xD
110 [00:24:49] <Artemis3> will people ever learn xD
111 [00:24:49] <CitizenZ> which was basically a shell script that you run with xorg not running
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115 [00:25:12] <somiaj> CitizenZ: that method doens't work well. Why didn't you install the packages from debian?
116 [00:25:16] <Artemis3> CitizenZ, replaced-url
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118 [00:25:19] <Artemis3> correct method
119 [00:25:27] <CitizenZ> oh cool
120 [00:25:29] <CitizenZ> ok ill do that then
121 [00:25:30] <somiaj> anyways you may need to first install nvidia-installer-cleanup and cleanup what you did
122 [00:25:39] <somiaj> then correctly install the drivers from debian non-free
123 [00:25:39] <Artemis3> oh true that
124 [00:25:42] <CitizenZ> word
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126 [00:25:51] <somiaj> if you have a newer card, you will want the drivers from jessie-backports
127 [00:25:56] <somiaj> (like 900series or newer)
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131 [00:27:17] <CitizenZ> cool thanks mang
132 [00:27:19] <CitizenZ> gonna try that
133 [00:27:47] <redrabbit> is there a way to put lxterminal in full screen mode
134 [00:27:51] <redrabbit> like F11 on browsers
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138 [00:29:04] <somiaj> redrabbit: does alt-enter of ctrl-enter do it?
139 [00:29:13] <somiaj> alt-enter does on xterm
140 [00:29:38] <somiaj> if not google 'lxterminal fullscreen' and see what you get
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143 [00:31:00] <Artemis3> f12
144 [00:31:29] <Artemis3> or alt f12 iirc
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148 [00:34:04] <redrabbit> ALT + F11 worked
149 [00:34:04] <redrabbit> :)
150 [00:34:16] <redrabbit> i googled the thing of course i always do
151 [00:34:25] <redrabbit> lots of mess though
152 [00:34:41] <redrabbit> i found how to enable tap to click
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154 [00:34:50] <redrabbit> you're supposed to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/99-synaptics-overrides.conf
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157 [00:35:03] <redrabbit> thing is i dont even have the /xorg.conf.d/ folder ^^
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160 [00:35:20] <somiaj> redrabbit: create it
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162 [00:35:32] <redrabbit> im gonna try this yes
163 [00:35:34] <somiaj> xorg.conf is no longer needed by default, but sometimes you need to have small parts of the config file.
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166 [00:35:49] <somiaj> so you need to create an xorg.conf file or a file xorg.conf.d/NN-something.conf
167 [00:35:51] <somiaj> your choice
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169 [00:36:15] <redrabbit> alt+F11 isn't really fullscreen though i still get "File | Edit | Tabs | Help" on top
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171 [00:36:46] <somiaj> that is part of the window
172 [00:37:03] <somiaj> so you want to also hide the title bar, probabaly something that you can configure, or just switch to xterm (or better uxterm)
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174 [00:37:50] <somiaj> not title bar, menu bar or whatever it is called
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180 [00:38:33] <redrabbit> found the option
181 [00:38:38] <redrabbit> "hide menu bar"
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184 [00:38:50] <redrabbit> now i look smart though. dont know how to get it back
185 [00:38:52] <redrabbit> ^^
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187 [00:39:04] <redrabbit> prob. a keyboard shortcut i don't know
188 [00:39:16] <somiaj> yea usually alt or ctrl, alt-F usually opens a file menu
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191 [00:39:37] <redrabbit> nop :/
192 [00:39:45] <redrabbit> tried alt first thing but no
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200 [00:41:55] <redrabbit> nvm found it ^^
201 [00:42:14] <redrabbit> right click and i get preferences back
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212 [00:49:01] <redrabbit> sweet. looks like i got everything setup tight
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216 [00:49:48] <redrabbit> only thing i still have to polish is, openVPN doesn't push its dns settings after it connects on reboot and i have to do it by hand
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227 [00:57:37] <hightower3> Hey, are there some common issues with jessie's installer and (I presume) UEFI support etc.? I haven't been able to actually get into grub after installation on any machines I've tried (3-4 computers with various bios settings)
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229 [00:57:55] <hightower3> I am just assuming this has to have something to do with uefi/legacy boot, through I may be wrong
230 [00:58:03] <hightower3> but happens only with jessie
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232 [00:58:33] <somiaj> hightower3: are you using an offical debian installer or a live image?
233 [00:58:43] <somiaj> if using usb, how did you create the usb drive to boot from?
234 [00:58:58] <somiaj> are you correctly booting efi and not booting legacy (since the offical images support both).
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236 [00:59:07] <hightower3> somiaj, official debian installer for stable, via .iso images that I've dd-ed to usb stick
237 [00:59:24] <somiaj> just make sure you are correctly booting into efi then.
238 [00:59:58] <hightower3> I've tried all possible bios settings, uefi only, legacy only, and both. And no dice. Just doesn't boot from any hard drive.
239 [01:00:17] <somiaj> hightower3: did you create an efi partition?
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241 [01:00:39] <somiaj> my firmware allows me to browse the efi partition for .efi files, I had to do that to find grub64.efi to boot from when I first did efi years ago
242 [01:00:42] <hightower3> somiaj, I didn't, and the installer didn't complain
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245 [01:01:13] <somiaj> well make sure you correctly are booted into efi mode is my best advise. Unsure what else could be going on
246 [01:01:15] <hightower3> (some disklabels were gpt, some were msdos)
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251 [01:02:49] <hightower3> somiaj, does it make a difference which bios setting is in effect during installation?
252 [01:03:26] <hightower3> (not that I would know how it affects my situation, if without changing any options it doesn't boot after installation, but just asking)
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255 [01:07:06] <somiaj> hightower3: the install supports both legacy and efi boot. You have to make sure you firmware is set up to boot into the mode you want
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269 [01:14:45] <doshEater> "unknown error executing apt-key" <-- what do?
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464 [03:15:53] <k_sze[work]> Why does the default /etc/apache2/apache2.conf seem broken on Debian 8?
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466 [03:16:20] <k_sze[work]> if I run `apache2 -V` directly, I get a bunch of warnings about undefined variables and a syntax error in apache.conf.
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469 [03:17:27] <monsune> syntax error at which line?
470 [03:17:48] <k_sze[work]> 74
471 [03:17:58] <k_sze[work]> Invalid Mutex directory in argument file:${APACHE_LOCK_DIR}
472 [03:18:27] <monsune> you sure you are on debian?
473 [03:18:32] <k_sze[work]> yes
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475 [03:19:18] <monsune> were you upgrading to 8?
476 [03:19:31] <monsune> or installing from scratch
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479 [03:20:08] <k_sze[work]> Hmm, I don't remember.
480 [03:20:18] <monsune> check this file: /etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default.conf
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482 [03:20:27] <monsune> make sure you have the proper root dir there
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492 [03:22:47] <monsune> you could also run: source /etc/apache2/envvars
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500 [03:26:02] <slackinho> Someone in java here?
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502 [03:26:18] <slackinho> please
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505 [03:26:38] * Hello71 uses psychic debugging
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507 [03:26:46] <Hello71> that is supposed to be set by the init script
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512 [03:28:57] <monsune> it probably wasn't
513 [03:29:07] <monsune> he never responded back so i guess it worked for him
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540 [03:46:36] <mrrtump> hey if I use lvm is noop better than cfq? 1 disk sofar, might add 1 more stripe
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566 [03:57:37] <darkash> Do you have to recompile from program that's installed on debian when you upgrade to a new kernel?
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569 [03:58:49] <jeep> darkash: not if you are using the .deb apt-get update apt-get upgrade system
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578 [04:03:04] <mxbd> hello. my x crashes when I boot up on jessie. it tells me that the system has failed to recover and gives me a button to log out. I can log into the terminal. where should I look other than /var/log/messages and what should I be looking for
579 [04:03:22] <mxbd> I tried to chmod +x /etc/X11/Xsession as a fix and it didn't fix the issue for me.
580 [04:03:42] <jeep> mxbd: did you look at the xorg log?
581 [04:04:00] <introom> what's the inclusion policy for sid? fish is now 2.4 for a month, but the sid version is still 2.3
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583 [04:05:00] <mxbd> jeep: nope, where is it ?
584 [04:05:19] <mxbd> nevermind. :)
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587 [04:08:06] <jeep> mxbd: anything exciting in there ?
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597 [04:11:15] <mxbd> jeep: I don't know what I'm looking for in particular but I did find something that failed.
598 [04:12:46] <mrrtump> hey if I use lvm is noop better than cfq? 1 disk sofar, might add 1 more stripe
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600 [04:13:04] <mrrtump> er 1 more and stripe over the 2
601 [04:13:09] <jeep> mxbd: do you have a xorg.conf made ?
602 [04:13:15] <mxbd> DRI initialization failed, kernel module (fglrx.ko) might be missing or incompatible, 2D and 3D acceleration disabled
603 [04:13:20] <mrrtump> or whatever lvm does when you just add it to vg
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605 [04:13:51] <jeep> mxbd: that will do it probably you have a radeon video card ?
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608 [04:14:43] <jeep> the command lspci will show devices
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610 [04:16:00] <mxbd> jeep: I have a Turks GL "FirePro V4900", AMD/ATI
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613 [04:16:26] <everythi1gorange> s
614 [04:16:29] <jeep> mxbd: replaced-url
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616 [04:17:29] <Arne> I get a wine: Bad EXE format message when trying to run MS program
617 [04:17:41] <everythi1gorange> ss
618 [04:17:41] <Arne> amd64 i am on
619 [04:17:52] <Arne> MS program is 32 bits
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621 [04:18:23] <Arne> sounds familiar to anyone?
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624 [04:19:50] <jeep> Arne: wine is witchcraft sometimes what program are you using ?
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626 [04:20:03] <jeep> or trying to use i should say
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628 [04:20:24] <root> .
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635 [04:22:39] <coolbuntu> anybody have any luck mountin an iphone 7?
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637 [04:23:18] <coolbuntu> I installed all the libimobile files but no luck on deiban 8 or fedora
638 [04:23:25] <mxbd> jeep: seems to be there is one driver for Jessie and my card is not supported by it. So do I install something for wheezy or do I have to use backports?
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642 [04:24:18] <coolbuntu> thought I logged on as sm00th irc got me again...buaahah
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644 [04:24:32] <coolbuntu> no wonder
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646 [04:24:43] <jeep> remove your /etc/X11/xorg.conf with the fglrx stuff in it .. then x will probably work again .
647 [04:24:45] <coolbuntu> so ya any other apple slaves out there?
648 [04:24:55] <coolbuntu> able to support their iphone 7s?
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651 [04:26:41] <jeep> mxbd: after you remove the xorg.conf /etc/init.d/lightdm restart or gdm/kdm which ever you are using
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660 [04:31:32] <mxbd> jeep: I deleted my xorg.conf and I'm still getting that error. "System cannot recover", gives me the button to Log Out.
661 [04:31:58] <mxbd> please log out and try again, even though I haven't actually logged into X yet.
662 [04:33:34] <jeep> look at the new xorg.log that was created
663 [04:33:35] <jeep> so the gui login is actually running ?
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665 [04:34:21] <mxbd> No, it goes from the booting, to terminal output, flashes to the error. Never reaches a log in screen.
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668 [04:35:03] <jeep> oh ok so somethign still with x
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671 [04:35:35] <mxbd> jeep: Yeah. Xorg.conf hasn't been generated yet, either
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673 [04:35:57] <jeep> mxbd: you shouldn't need one
674 [04:36:23] <jeep> mxbd: i use the ati driver when i dont want to i just delete the xorg.conf and restartx\
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679 [04:37:10] <mxbd> do you know why my startx works from a terminal, but upon booting it won't start?
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682 [04:38:35] <jeep> mxbd: maybe something with the login manager is the issue then .. so your desktop works fine using startx ?
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688 [04:40:38] <mxbd> yep, it boots into xfce even though I normally use i3
689 [04:41:30] <jeep> you can edit ~/.xinitrc even though i love xfce
690 [04:41:57] <jeep> anyway thats a desktop what login manager have you been using ?
691 [04:43:02] <mxbd> I ran update-initramfs -u as before it crashed I think. I installed an fglrx and an nvidia driver and then updated?
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694 [04:44:45] <mxbd> what can I run to know for sure? I'm using whatever the default is but I don't think gdm is the correct answer
695 [04:45:27] <jeep> mxbd: might be lightdm
696 [04:45:57] <jeep> mxbd: try restarting it see what happens
697 [04:46:43] <mxbd> command not found lightdm?
698 [04:46:48] <mxbd> but exists in man ?
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703 [04:50:58] <jeep> mxbd: /etc/init.d/lightdm restart ?
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707 [04:56:12] <mxbd> jeep: Yes. So it tells me lightdm fails, systemctl status -l lightdm tells me it fails but doens't give me a ton of information.
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851 [07:09:37] <locrian9> Just wanted to make sure that replaced-url
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1037 [08:50:17] <hanshenrik> is there something like canonical/ubuntu's livepatch service for debian?
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1040 [08:50:55] <hanshenrik> (kpatch-based kernel security patches version of unattended-upgrades )
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1042 [08:51:46] <styler2go> Is it possible to create my own "unattended debian installer" with some packages and configurations i made?
1043 [08:51:57] <hanshenrik> absolutely
1044 [08:52:08] <hanshenrik> i think there's a guide for it on wiki.debian.org
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1046 [08:52:37] <styler2go> Thanks, trying to find it htere
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1049 [08:53:20] <hanshenrik> styler2go, replaced-url
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1054 [08:54:29] <hanshenrik> styler2go, replaced-url
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1079 [09:07:28] <dym> Hey! Im having trouble with logrotating Apache log files. It seems that logrotate iterates through my given number of possible rotated files, but never actually rotates the big source file at all: replaced-url
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1086 [09:08:31] <OpenTokix> dym: For apache look into cronolog, best logrotator there is for apache.
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1088 [09:08:57] <dym> OpenTokix: Thanks, already read about this. Can i use this to rotate my already existing logs too?
1089 [09:09:04] <OpenTokix> dym: no
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1092 [09:09:15] <dym> OpenTokix: Then for the moment it's no use to me :)
1093 [09:09:22] <OpenTokix> dym: the logrotating you are talking about is handled by logrotate utility, and not apache it self.
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1096 [09:09:43] <dym> OpenTokix: Im very aware of that.
1097 [09:09:58] <OpenTokix> dym: So then your logrotate config is wrong somehow.
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1100 [09:10:36] <dym> OpenTokix: Am i on tv? :)
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1102 [09:10:52] <dym> Im aware that something is iffy - i need some advice on where to look. The rotateconfig is fairly standard :)
1103 [09:10:54] <Iota> Good morning, world!
1104 [09:11:06] <awal1> I see in my home What a dir caleed .pki within a nssdb sub dir and inside files: cert9.db, key4.db and pkcs11.tx
1105 [09:11:11] <awal1> what's all that?
1106 [09:11:29] <OpenTokix> dym: Yes, look in your logrotate config - or paste that.
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1108 [09:11:45] <dym> OpenTokix: And when i say fairly, i mean completely: replaced-url
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1111 [09:12:45] <awal1> keyboard error, sorry :P
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1114 [09:13:26] <awal1> I see in my home a dir called .pki within a nssdb sub dir and inside files: cert9.db, key4.db and pkcs11.tx . What's all that?
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1116 [09:14:07] <OpenTokix> dym: Maybe try copytruncate option
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1121 [09:15:03] <dym> OpenTokix: Is this a guess?
1122 [09:15:35] <OpenTokix> dym: It's an educated guess based on the information you provided.
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1124 [09:16:12] <dym> OpenTokix: trying. thanks.
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1131 [09:19:54] <styler2go> Does anyone know how i can hide the "initramfs" screen when booting?
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1305 [09:50:24] <styler2go> Does anyone know how i can hide the "initramfs" screen when booting?
1306 [09:51:14] <nkuttler> superlinux: man 7 wireless
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1308 [09:51:37] <superlinux> nkuttler, I don't have wireless
1309 [09:51:45] <superlinux> it's a bridge
1310 [09:51:52] <nkuttler> oh, sorry
1311 [09:51:56] <superlinux> just a eth1 to eth2
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1313 [09:52:23] <superlinux> I read that I can use the "post-up" parameter and run ifconfig
1314 [09:52:46] <nkuttler> sure, if you have a command to set the mode
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1316 [09:53:01] <nkuttler> superlinux: you'd use ifup/ifdown though
1317 [09:53:22] <nkuttler> but i guess ifconfig in the post-up command
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1319 [09:53:38] <superlinux> nkuttler, yes " ifconfig in the post-up command"
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1321 [09:53:53] <babilen> s/ifconfig/ip :)
1322 [09:54:01] <nkuttler> and that
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1368 [10:10:20] <HJfFun> need some help concerning installation of Debian replaced-url
1369 [10:10:30] <ikonia> what's the problem
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1371 [10:10:54] <HJfFun> pb with the screen --> replaced-url
1372 [10:11:45] <HJfFun> Toshiba satellite p870 with Nvidia gt 630m & Intel hd 4000 cards
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1377 [10:15:03] <ikonia> pb ?
1378 [10:15:30] <HJfFun> ikonia, look the link replaced-url
1379 [10:15:37] <ikonia> yes, I see it but what does "pb" mean
1380 [10:15:51] <HJfFun> did you see the screen problem now ?
1381 [10:15:51] <ikonia> just use the pannel on the right to move forward
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1383 [10:16:09] <ikonia> or try playing with video modes as boot time arguments
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1386 [10:16:43] <HJfFun> vga = 788 for example ?
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1440 [10:37:45] <nginny> hi
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1443 [10:38:08] <nginny> So I want to use a different directory for temp files in php (recommended for improved security) - well, I cannot use /tmp - are there any alternative directories to /tmp
1444 [10:38:12] <nikoma> Is the following message from dmesg something to worry about?
1445 [10:38:16] <nikoma> replaced-url
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1450 [10:39:24] <OerHeks> nikoma, yes, 'Please run fsck' is surely advised
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1452 [10:40:29] <OerHeks> or > ntfsfix -d /dev/sda1
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1454 [10:41:03] <nginny> anyone? :/
1455 [10:41:08] <OerHeks> oh wait, sda2
1456 [10:41:09] <nginny> alternative /tmp directory?
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1460 [10:42:27] <nikoma> OerHeks: And can fsck be run on a EFI partition?
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1462 [10:42:38] <Logg> I can't compile any dkms modules. Here's some error logs from the build replaced-url
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1465 [10:43:43] <dym> OpenTokix: Seems to have done the trick. tyvm.
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1467 [10:44:04] <OerHeks> nikoma, good question ..
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1469 [10:44:25] <OpenTokix> dym: Great, glad I could help. And switch to cronolog now :D
1470 [10:44:40] <nikoma> I think it's because a few weeks ago I (by mistake) forced power down without unmounting
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1473 [10:45:04] <Logg> I have gcc version 4.9.2 which seems new enough.
1474 [10:45:25] <nikoma> so, I guess there's a small chance that some corruption happened, but there don't seem to be any symptoms
1475 [10:45:27] <aZz7eCh> hi guys. deb 8 jessie, g3 settings you can turn media sharing on and off. if i enable this, other machines and devices can see "User's Media" on the network. unfortunately - it shares EVERY single video mp3 picture i have from all my user home folders, not just my music folder like i've specified.. am i missing something?
1476 [10:45:37] <aZz7eCh> well obv i'm missing something - any pointers ?
1477 [10:46:19] <teraflops> Logg: any? I only see fglrx. is your kernel from repos and the headers are the appropriate ones according to your kernel? did you install a new kernel and forgot rebooting the machine?
1478 [10:46:30] <nginny> What chmod/chown I have to set on a directory to make it similar to /tmp ? :D
1479 [10:46:45] <Logg> teraflops: check the second log, from virtualbox
1480 [10:46:59] <Logg> I have the correct header installed
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1482 [10:47:39] <styler2go> Is there some way to hide all boot messages? I already installed plymouth but there are some messages before plymouth
1483 [10:47:40] <Logg> my graphics were working fine before, then I renistalled dkms trying to fix virtualbox, now everything is broken.
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1486 [10:48:45] <Logg> rebooted lots of times now.
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1597 [11:19:48] <alwyn> Hey! I have configured unattended-upgrades but nothing much seems to be happening, so I enabled debug (verbosity = 2)
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1602 [11:20:25] <alwyn> And now I see the following exception: replaced-url
1603 [11:20:43] <alwyn> What might the issue be?
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1609 [11:26:42] <mrrtump> unattended updates lol
1610 [11:26:50] <alwyn> What?
1611 [11:27:06] <mrrtump> you scheduled updates to production machines?
1612 [11:27:09] <alwyn> Of course not
1613 [11:27:12] <mrrtump> to happen whenever?
1614 [11:27:15] <alwyn> No
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1617 [11:27:33] <alwyn> This is on a test machine
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1620 [11:28:49] <mrrtump> oh
1621 [11:28:55] <mrrtump> then your all good
1622 [11:29:00] <alwyn> :)
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1654 [11:36:12] <doublehp> how do i set samba to behave like a classic ext4, and have files created by users, be owned by users ? replaced-url
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1663 [11:38:03] <deepblue> i tried to install pony prog .so I changed to the directory and ran 'make' to get this replaced-url
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1711 [11:40:31] <deepblue> i tried to install pony prog .so I changed to the directory and ran 'make' to get this replaced-url
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1759 [11:45:50] <spot_on> guten morgen... ich hänge mich gerade mit einer for schleife auf... ich habe zb. 3 variablen die auf var1, var2, var3 enden. nun möchte ich diese nach einander ausgeben... aber ""echo $var$i " funktionert nicht da ich nur i aus der schleife raus bekomme
1760 [11:46:21] <doublehp> spot_on: #debian_de or #debian-de
1761 [11:46:45] <alwyn> #debian.de :)
1762 [11:46:57] <spot_on> oh srry thank you for remind
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1773 [11:52:21] <mrrtump> jifty perl web framework says it contains a pony
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1782 [11:57:40] <deepblue> i tried to install pony prog .so I changed to the directory and ran 'make' to get this replaced-url
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1835 [12:23:57] <ongy> !why is uwsgi not in stretch
1836 [12:23:57] <dpkg> ongy: I think you lost me on that one
1837 [12:24:05] <ongy> how did this work? I have seen it before
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1843 [12:26:45] <Mazhive> guys how can i automaticly block ip's which are flagged as not authorized to send email according to spf records.
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1852 [12:28:32] <littlebit> hi people, I need your help with an issue. I try to do a apt-get install -f and I get this: replaced-url
1853 [12:29:36] <littlebit> can someone help
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1859 [12:32:24] <alwyn> littlebit: remove the package "nginx" and do a dpkg-reconfigure nginx-full
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1871 [12:37:48] <ongy> dpkg, why is uwsgi not in testing
1872 [12:37:48] <dpkg> uwsgi is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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1877 [12:44:05] <littlebit> alwyn: i did "apt-get remove nginx" and did apt-get remove nginx-full --purge, then I did apt-get install nginx and i get this as a result: replaced-url
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1879 [12:45:28] <alwyn> What does journalctl -xn say?
1880 [12:47:36] <alwyn> Perhaps you have another webserver running on port 80 already? If that's the case, try temporarily stopping that and try again
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1885 [12:48:51] <alwyn> Back in ~30 mins
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1888 [12:51:29] <littlebit> alwyn: I made sure that I use ONLY 1 webserver, and that is nginx and that is what I get replaced-url
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1908 [13:00:11] <littlebit> alwyn: so write your answer here, and I'll get to it. I will stay in the channel here
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1918 [13:05:21] <christinepea777> anyone know of any good packages of simple desktop type games for linux? games that consume little to no resources?
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1920 [13:05:34] <MaxFrames> hello
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1923 [13:05:43] <OpenTokix> christinepea777: awk, really hard game tho
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1925 [13:06:21] <MaxFrames> how/where do I set up a custom logging facility (eg. local0)? suppose for example I want to set up all dhcpd logging as "local7"; where do I do this?
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1927 [13:06:39] <christinepea777> OpenTokix: im basically just looking for a package that would have lots of these little games.
1928 [13:06:55] <christinepea777> OpenTokix: like rodent's revenge type games
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1939 [13:09:59] <MaxFrames> if I get it right, I must first define the custom logging facility, and then I can use it in rsyslog.conf
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1947 [13:14:27] <ongy> when the excuses page for a package in testing says, that it only has 2 of 5 required days age, can I expect it to be intesting in 4 days? or should I not count on it?
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1965 [13:25:00] <alwyn> littlebit: still there?
1966 [13:25:55] <alwyn> It's like I suggested, another service seems to be listening on that address/port
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1971 [13:27:39] <alwyn> Try lsof -i :80
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1994 [13:44:40] <littlebit> alwyn: yes I'm here
1995 [13:44:42] <littlebit> one sec
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1997 [13:45:50] <littlebit> alwyn: you where right! there was somehow an apache running
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2001 [13:47:12] <littlebit> purged it
2002 [13:47:22] <alwyn> Heh!
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2016 [13:54:20] <littlebit> alwyn: and another thing the nginx that I get from the debian repo is at version 1.6.2
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2019 [13:54:46] <alwyn> littlebit: correct. For a newer version you can install nginx from backports.
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2021 [13:55:26] <alwyn> Or try testing
2022 [13:55:26] <littlebit> alwyn: how do I do that?
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2024 [13:55:57] <alwyn> littlebit: replaced-url
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2027 [13:57:03] <littlebit> alwyn: thanks for the help and the link btw.
2028 [13:57:25] <alwyn> No problem
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2072 [14:21:44] <styler2go> Can i set plymouth to wait until the GUI is done loading?
2073 [14:22:35] <petn-randall> styler2go: It already does that. What problem are you having?
2074 [14:22:47] <teraflops> plymouth aka systemd-slowdown
2075 [14:23:15] <petn-randall> teraflops: How is that so?
2076 [14:23:22] <styler2go> petn-randall, trying to wait until at least the background image is done loading
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2078 [14:23:47] <styler2go> currently i am laucning openbox at boot but while openbox starts until feh kicks in it is black for a short time
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2081 [14:24:09] <teraflops> petn-randall: it was a joke as in if you want your system to boot slower go use plymouth
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2083 [14:25:03] <teraflops> styler2go: iirc there are options for doing so
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2088 [14:27:48] <petn-randall> styler2go: It should already do that, you need KMS for it to work. The black is likely due to screen resolution changing.
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2090 [14:28:21] <petn-randall> (KMS = kernel mode-setting)
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2092 [14:28:43] <styler2go> petn-randall, it's the plain openbox background, not a "real black" which is because feh needs some time to start
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2123 [14:41:10] <jubo2> I'm really confused
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2125 [14:41:24] <lukkan99> me in one pic replaced-url
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2129 [14:42:37] <HJfFun> you must but a new camera :/
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2131 [14:42:50] <jubo2> replaced-url
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2133 [14:43:06] <jubo2> when it should in fact show the same as replaced-url
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2136 [14:43:43] <jubo2> I don't get this.
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2138 [14:44:54] <lukkan99> i need to get a new phone
2139 [14:45:09] <lukkan99> plan to get a oneplus 3
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2141 [14:45:23] <petn-randall> !ot
2142 [14:45:23] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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2159 [14:52:54] <jubo2> I cannot see the .txt. file in replaced-url
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2161 [14:53:06] <jubo2> I'm really lost here right now. Someone please help.
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2178 [15:03:21] <jubo2> the normal page is served by apache but a 404 is delivered by a Nginx
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2180 [15:03:41] <jubo2> this does not make any sense to me as that server has no nginx installed
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2184 [15:04:14] <dadinn> hi all
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2186 [15:04:26] <jubo2> hiya dadinn
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2190 [15:05:33] <dadinn> I am having a problem right now with the netinst iso image, after I `dd` it onto a USB stick, and try to boot it on my ThinkPad T460s, I am not able to get it to boot from it
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2192 [15:06:08] <dadinn> the USB stick is a SanDisk Dual USB Drive 16GB
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2194 [15:07:00] <dadinn> there is a BIOS setting on the laptop which says it is UEFI boot only, and I am not able to change the setting (possibly needs some admin password, or something)
2195 [15:07:37] <dadinn> I have read that SanDisk USB drives sometimes not work for booting
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2197 [15:08:18] <dadinn> OTOH, I have tried the stick with Ubuntu 14.04, and it boots fine
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2201 [15:09:08] <dadinn> So I suppose the problem is not with the USB stick or the laptop BIOS settings, but with the Debian 8.6.0 netinst iso
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2203 [15:09:33] <MaBunny> dadinn: do you hav windows?
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2206 [15:10:42] <MaBunny> use win32diskexplorer or something(i cant remember the name now) and copy the contents of the iso to the usb
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2213 [15:14:22] <zykotick9> dadinn: are you _sure_ it's the netinst image? fyi, the Live Debian stuff will NOT work with UEFI machines! good luck.
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2229 [15:20:31] <dadinn> MaBunny: yes the laptop came with Windows 10 preinstalled, but I would be happy to wipe it off clean
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2233 [15:21:32] <dadinn> zykotick9: the filename is debian-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso
2234 [15:23:11] <dadinn> zykotick9: Lenovo T460s comes with Intel i7-6600U processor, so I suppose amd64 is the right architecture
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2240 [15:27:17] <dadinn> i'll, be away for a while. Is there a way I could report this issue in the community? Please send me some how-tos. thx
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2269 [15:43:07] <emilsp> hello, is there a systemd unit file for dhclient ?
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2285 [15:49:30] <petn-randall> emilsp: No, since it's strongly tied to devices and volatile state. There also no init script for it. What are you trying to achieve?
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2320 [16:05:18] <emilsp> I want to get a device to get an IP address on bootup
2321 [16:05:37] <emilsp> I'm sure I might've screwed something up, as it did bring eth0 up before, but not any more
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2330 [16:12:13] <petn-randall> emilsp: You can either used ifupdown or network-manager for that. They're both exclusive towards each other.
2331 [16:13:14] <petn-randall> emilsp: If it's a server connected to the same network all the time, I'd use ifupdown and configure it in /etc/network/interfaces. For desktops I'd use network-manager.
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2507 [17:32:44] <gebruiker> is there an hardware detection tool for determening what firmware to install, like with ubuntu?
2508 [17:33:22] <towo`> dmesg | grep -i firmw should tell you, which firmware is missing
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2523 [17:37:56] <AlexPortable> how do i start tomcat server?
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2539 [17:41:36] <Stummi> AlexPortable, the package should ship with an init script
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2541 [17:42:29] <AlexPortable> init.d ?
2542 [17:42:35] <Stummi> yep
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2545 [17:43:15] <Stummi> if you are using the official distribution instead, there should be a bin/ in your extracted root directory which contains a executable to start tomcat
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2549 [17:44:09] <AlexPortable> extracted root direcotry?
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2553 [17:44:59] <greycat> Word?
2554 [17:45:03] <greycat> Thing you just said?
2555 [17:45:05] <greycat> Concept?
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2559 [17:45:44] <AlexPortable> what is extracted root direcotry?
2560 [17:45:49] <AlexPortable> or, "what is word"
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2563 [17:46:08] <AlexPortable> i did apt-get install tomcat7
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2565 [17:46:25] <greycat> You could prune the entire decision tree if you would just say "I am not using the official/upstream distribution of this thing", then just ignore the rest of that conditional clause.
2566 [17:46:42] <AlexPortable> i dont know
2567 [17:46:44] <AlexPortable> i know that i need tomcat
2568 [17:46:44] <greycat> You are using the Debian package. OK. Ignore everything that relates to the upstream distribution of it.
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2587 [17:54:02] <introom> is there a qemu-nox for debian ? or instead, qemu doesn't have gui frontend at all ?
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2631 [18:08:22] <petn-randall> introom: qemu doesn't have an X frontend. What is your real question?
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2638 [18:10:21] <kevin-leptons> when is debian 9 released ?
2639 [18:10:28] <greycat> when it's ready
2640 [18:10:40] <greycat> The freeze hasn't even begun yet, so... it'll be a while.
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2642 [18:12:07] <kevin-leptons> greycat: do you know latest release date?
2643 [18:12:20] <greycat> !stretch
2644 [18:12:21] <dpkg> The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: replaced-url
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2646 [18:12:33] <kevin-leptons> greycat: or it's not limited
2647 [18:12:37] <greycat> wiki page should have a projected timeline
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2652 [18:14:24] <kevin-leptons> greycat: oh, wiki say that 2017-02-05
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2654 [18:14:45] <kevin-leptons> greycat: it will be come soon :D
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2656 [18:14:52] <fredcooke> the bug curve graph is a nice way to watch
2657 [18:15:09] <greycat> What does it say occurs on 2017-02-05? Not the release, certainly.
2658 [18:15:52] <fredcooke> replaced-url
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2660 [18:16:19] <kevin-leptons> greycat: oh, i am wrong, that full freeze
2661 [18:16:22] <fredcooke> replaced-url
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2665 [18:16:46] <fredcooke> ugh, that was supposed to be "graph with all the history" but i'm not sure it will be, looking at the URL
2666 [18:16:50] <kevin-leptons> fredcooke: oh, i see that
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2668 [18:17:22] <fredcooke> what you should note is that the red line is atypical for this stage in the cycle
2669 [18:17:26] <fredcooke> which is a bit sad
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2674 [18:19:51] <kevin-leptons> fredcooke: i got it
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2677 [18:20:19] <kevin-leptons> may be it will release on end of 2017?
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2680 [18:21:00] <kevin-leptons> or mid of 2018, may be
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2682 [18:22:37] <koen_> guys,could u tell me what does this command do sudo debconf-set-selections <<< "mysql-server mysql-server/root_password_again password $1"
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2685 [18:24:13] <greycat> It runs that command, as root (if you pass authentication), with those words plus the script's first positional parameter ($1) as standard input.
2686 [18:24:13] <introom> petn-randall: then what's the sdl? qemu will use sdl to do the output? is sdl a graphic library?
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2688 [18:25:20] <koen_> greycat: runs the command as root is sudo
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2692 [18:25:44] <koen_> what about password $1? user has to give any input
2693 [18:25:45] <koen_> ?
2694 [18:25:57] <greycat> Why do I even bother answering.
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2697 [18:26:52] <koen_> greycat: sorry i dint get that.what would be the first positional parameter
2698 [18:27:06] <greycat> Whatever you PASSED TO THE SCRIPT.
2699 [18:27:10] <kevin-leptons> exit
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2701 [18:27:29] <sediment> just upgrade kali and i've found all these new "fake" apps. Anyone know what should be done? chroot it?
2702 [18:27:33] <greycat> !kali
2703 [18:27:33] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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2705 [18:27:48] <petn-randall> introom: What SDL? qemu runs completely fine headless. What are you trying to do?
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2729 [18:35:38] <introom> petn-randall: I am installing a qemu-kvm based vm on a remote machine.
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2732 [18:35:52] <introom> I can only ssh on the the remote machine, with no -X forwarding.
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2734 [18:36:26] <introom> when I run this: sudo qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -cdrom debian-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso -hda eva.qcow -boot d -curses
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2736 [18:36:57] <introom> the screen stuck, printing: 600x800
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2738 [18:37:12] <koen_> how to remove mysql in debian?
2739 [18:37:22] <introom> I suspect the debian-8.6 iso expectes to be booted in video mode instead of text mode.
2740 [18:37:26] <koen_> tried this sudo apt-get --yes purge mysql
2741 [18:37:49] <introom> petn-randall: my question is, how to install the qemu/kvm based vm provided I only have ssh access (without -X fowarding)
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2760 [18:43:37] <jupit3r> hi
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2763 [18:45:12] <jupit3r> i just installed debian 8 amd64 in core i7-4790 cpu, with Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
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2765 [18:45:56] <jupit3r> i have a full HD AOC monitor capable of 1920x1080 but screen resolution only allows 1024x768
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2767 [18:46:09] <jupit3r> tried adding xrandr new modes but i get a blank screen
2768 [18:46:43] <jupit3r> is there any firmware i have missing? i have installed intel-microcode and firmware-linux-nonfree...
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2781 [18:51:43] <jupit3r> how can i enable full HD resolution in my system?
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2796 [18:57:12] <Iridos> jupit3r, check what video driver it is
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2800 [18:57:45] <Iridos> that sounds like it's using some vesa compatibility driver
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2810 [18:59:16] <Iridos> in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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2813 [18:59:51] <Iridos> probably «grep -i driver.for /var/log/Xorg.0.log » already gives you an idea…
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2818 [19:01:12] <introom> petn-randall: after enting the boot dialog, "install vga=normal fb=false", works.
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2831 [19:05:44] <jupit3r> Iridos: replaced-url
2832 [19:05:52] <hellyeah> it may not be true channel to ask but synaptic is not maintained anymore?
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2839 [19:08:19] <jupit3r> Iridos: do i have some other driver option?
2840 [19:08:39] <yokisuci> hellyeah: tbh i would be supriced if it was
2841 [19:08:53] <towo`> jupit3r, lspci | grep VGA
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2846 [19:09:42] <Iridos> I thought you would look at it… but that looks actually ok… pretty similar to mine… it's using some intel driver for an intel card
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2849 [19:10:15] <yokisuci> hellyeah: but looks like debian stable is running synaptic 0.81.2 and Testing is on synaptic 0.83 so guess its maintainedin some way.
2850 [19:10:25] <jupit3r> Iridos: replaced-url
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2852 [19:10:28] <Iridos> jupit3r, the same file tells you what modleines it accepted and which it rejected and for what reason
2853 [19:10:28] <hellyeah> i see
2854 [19:10:53] <towo`> jupit3r, you need kernel, firmware and intel-ddx from backports
2855 [19:11:05] <towo`> jupit3r, looks like skylake
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2867 [19:12:20] <towo`> Iridos, <ou should read that paste carefully, it's not using the intel driver
2868 [19:12:34] <towo`> it's using vesa
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2871 [19:12:53] <Iridos> towo`, what makes you think so
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2874 [19:13:17] <towo`> because the last entry it's vesa, and that's why greping only dribver is bad
2875 [19:13:25] <towo`> *driver
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2878 [19:13:47] <Iridos> towo`, yes, and it's giving the same output on my system and I'm for sure not using vesa
2879 [19:13:50] <towo`> and on jessie, that graphics chipset is not supported without backports
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2881 [19:14:12] <Iridos> agreed, that grepping is wrong… I thought he'd look at the grep so he can find the place in the file that is interesting, not to pastebin it
2882 [19:14:33] <Iridos> and maybe then pastebin a manually selected excerpt
2883 [19:14:44] <towo`> then he should paste the whole logfile
2884 [19:15:18] <Iridos> yes… I'd actually prefer people to look at logs themselves and only ask for help reading them
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2886 [19:15:46] <greycat> You should know by now that people are too lazy to read their own logs.
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2888 [19:15:54] <greycat> They want you to read it for them.
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2894 [19:16:43] <Iridos> well, as I'm not being paid, I pick my own job description in this
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2899 [19:19:24] <jupit3r> towo`: sudo apt-get install -t backports linux-image...? what version? 3.16 or 4.6?
2900 [19:19:33] <towo`> 4.7
2901 [19:19:52] <towo`> and you even need xserver-xorg-video-intel and the firmware from there
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2903 [19:20:32] <jupit3r> intel-ddx what is that?
2904 [19:20:42] <towo`> xserver-xorg-video-intel
2905 [19:20:48] <jupit3r> oh ok
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2911 [19:22:53] <Iridos> jupi… oh well
2912 [19:23:12] <Iridos> actually I feel this was pretty much into the dark
2913 [19:23:44] <Iridos> because most likely it *was* using the intel driver, the fbdev and vesa entries always also appear… oh well
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2915 [19:24:17] <jupit3r> hi
2916 [19:24:31] <jupit3r> nothing
2917 [19:24:33] <jupit3r> still the same
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2919 [19:24:41] <jupit3r> i'm on 4.7-bpo
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2923 [19:26:22] <towo`> jupit3r, then pastebin the complete Xorg.0.log
2924 [19:26:30] <jupit3r> replaced-url
2925 [19:26:44] <jupit3r> grep -i driver.for /var/log/Xorg.0.log
2926 [19:26:47] <towo`> that's not the comlete log
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2930 [19:27:27] <jupit3r> this is full log
2931 [19:27:30] <jupit3r> replaced-url
2932 [19:27:31] <towo`> no
2933 [19:27:31] <Iridos> jupit3r, the grep was only to give you an idea where in the log stuff is… it doesn't contain the needed information
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2936 [19:29:09] <towo`> so the driver si used and i would oracle, the monitor does not give the right EDID over vga to the card
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2939 [19:30:09] <jupit3r> maybe i can try xrandr now? and add some modeS?
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2975 [19:40:01] <koen_> whats the package name of this in debian ? libapache2-mod-auth-mysql
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2977 [19:41:06] <greycat> koen_: don't see it in apt-cache search... do you know the exact name of a file that should be in it? If so, you can search by filename.
2978 [19:41:28] <koen_> thats the exact name.. is it deprecated? how to find that
2979 [19:41:52] <greycat> That was a package name? Then let's try...
2980 [19:41:55] <greycat> ,v libapache2-mod-auth-mysql
2981 [19:41:56] <judd> Package: libapache2-mod-auth-mysql on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.3.9-13.1+b1
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2987 [19:45:06] <Iridos> jupit3r, the simplest thing would probably be to check if the monitor is properly connected… the next-best thing to see if another cable works better
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2991 [19:46:52] <Iridos> jupit3r, I also have some intel card… if you compare my log ( replaced-url
2992 [19:46:57] <Iridos> the modlines for one
2993 [19:47:15] <Iridos> but also the DPMS stuff
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2995 [19:48:25] <Iridos> jupit3r, or I guess you can create your own xorg.conf (X will make a sample one with X -configure ) and override all the stuff that your monitor doesn't seem to tell x
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3009 [19:52:27] <Iridos> koen_, closest is libapache2-mod-auth-pgsql
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3011 [19:52:38] <Iridos> dpkg, why is libapache2-mod-auth-mysql not in testing
3012 [19:52:38] <dpkg> libapache2-mod-auth-mysql is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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3014 [19:52:47] <koen_> whats pgsql for?
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3016 [19:52:51] <Iridos> postgres
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3018 [19:52:56] <koen_> oh
3019 [19:53:02] <Iridos> yeah
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3021 [19:53:28] <jupit3r> nope
3022 [19:53:41] <jupit3r> i tried with a samsung monitor, also full hd and it is not working
3023 [19:53:50] <jupit3r> should i install testing?
3024 [19:53:53] <jupit3r> unstable?
3025 [19:54:03] <Iridos> why would that be useful for anything
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3028 [19:54:31] <jupit3r> maybe i should instal ubuntu
3029 [19:54:36] <Iridos> /o\
3030 [19:54:37] <redrabbit> o-o
3031 [19:54:50] <redrabbit> cmon
3032 [19:54:53] <Iridos> or maybe you could sacrifice a goat
3033 [19:54:58] <greycat> jupit3r: did you ever show us the PCI ID of your video chip? lspci -nn | grep VGA
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3035 [19:55:07] <Iridos> no
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3037 [19:55:21] <Iridos> towo`, that's why telling people to use lspci without -nn is bad ^ ^
3038 [19:55:22] <jupit3r> yes, this is the 3rd time
3039 [19:55:24] <jupit3r> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0412] (rev 06)
3040 [19:55:35] <greycat> ,pciid 8086:0412
3041 [19:55:36] <judd> [8086:0412] is 'Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
3042 [19:55:41] <Iridos> if there was a 2nd having it, I missed that, sorry
3043 [19:56:07] <jupit3r> so? can this be fixed?
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3045 [19:56:09] <greycat> OK, just checking the basics. I don't have any answers beyond that :(
3046 [19:56:18] <Iridos> yeah, it's using that
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3048 [19:56:30] <Iridos> it's just not detecting the monitor
3049 [19:56:31] <towo`> since the right driver is used, it's propably a bad cable
3050 [19:56:44] <jupit3r> it is not detecting any monitor
3051 [19:56:47] <towo`> or a cable connected over some case of adapter
3052 [19:56:54] <Iridos> yeah
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3054 [19:56:59] <redrabbit> nubuntu
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3057 [19:57:57] <towo`> and btw, that output of judd to that pciid is useless, because vor graphics ata_generic, nor snd-hda-intel is relevant
3058 [19:58:07] <towo`> s/vor/for
3059 [19:58:20] <redrabbit> by the way i havn't found a way to control fan speed from my p5q-e mobo from debian. should i install some kind of non-free driver ?
3060 [19:58:21] <Iridos> huh? it's telling us it uses i915
3061 [19:58:32] <Iridos> which we also saw in the log…
3062 [19:58:49] <jupit3r> ohh yeah, it is the damn cable
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3064 [19:58:53] <jupit3r> for gods ...
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3067 [20:00:55] <Iridos> ^ ^
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3069 [20:01:08] <Iridos> to be fair, we only said that like 5 times or so
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3071 [20:02:10] <petn-randall> introom: install libvirt-daemon, and use virt-viewer or virt-manager to administer the remote qemu host.
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3074 [20:03:37] <jupit3r> thanks guys
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3081 [20:04:40] <Gaiseric> Hello everyone, for some reason my box (Jessie with Gnome Shell) won't let me unlock the screen, even though the password is correct. It was working fine, until it suddenly stopped. Writing this from tty1. Anyone ever had something similar?
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3083 [20:05:05] <oreinreo> Hi, how do I get vagrant to work with virtualbox 5.1.8 and why isn't tor browser on stable jessie fixed?? :s
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3087 [20:05:21] <Gaiseric> 32 days uptime, but I don't think I updated anything the last week or so...
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3092 [20:07:37] <Gaiseric> Any ideas? I'd just try rebooting, but I have some unsaved work.
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3094 [20:08:29] <greycat> Maybe caps lock is on, in your X session.
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3096 [20:08:38] <Gaiseric> it's not
3097 [20:08:52] <Gaiseric> I used the option "show password" to verify
3098 [20:08:57] <greycat> Can you kill the process that's locking the screen, or is it like somehow "built into" gnome?
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3101 [20:09:33] <Gaiseric> It's probably GDM3? Not sure, but killing gdm would kill the session
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3103 [20:09:39] <greycat> No, it's not gdm3.
3104 [20:09:45] <greycat> That's a display manager. A login window.
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3106 [20:10:14] <mtn> it is part of gnome
3107 [20:10:34] * greycat continues using fvwm and running i3lock by hand when wanted.
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3109 [20:12:56] <Iridos> Gaiseric, just kill the screensaver *shrug*
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3111 [20:13:37] <Iridos> tsk… fvwm and i3lock… you rebel
3112 [20:13:37] <n4dir> i usually would stop the display manager from autostarting during boot and see if the problem persists when running a simple startx.
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3115 [20:13:56] <greycat> Would've just continued using xlock but it's gone.
3116 [20:13:57] <hanshenrik_> does it occur in recovery boot?
3117 [20:14:06] <greycat> i3lock seems to be the nearest replacement
3118 [20:14:08] <n4dir> as far unsaved work is concerned: perhaps ssh from another machine may be of help (assuming ssh is enabled ... ).
3119 [20:14:30] <oreinreo> greycat: I use xscreensaver, works like a charm
3120 [20:14:30] <Gaiseric> I *did* change something in ulimits.d to enable jackd to use realtime mode, and this should take effect once a new session is created... but unlocking isn't creating a new one AFAIK
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3122 [20:14:59] <Gaiseric> n4dir: Thanks but I do have local access, just no access to the X display
3123 [20:15:14] <Iridos> Gaiseric, so why aren't you killing the screensaver
3124 [20:15:25] <Gaiseric> Not using one
3125 [20:15:31] <n4dir> didn't you say you have unsaved work?
3126 [20:15:35] <Iridos> then what is locking you out
3127 [20:15:50] <Gaiseric> no idea, does the lockscreen count as a screensaver?
3128 [20:16:02] <Gaiseric> n4dir: in graphical apps
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3130 [20:16:11] <Iridos> by default, the lockscreen is done by a screensaver
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3132 [20:16:24] <Iridos> at least, I think so in most set-ups
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3135 [20:17:19] <Iridos> the term "default" is a bit of a shaky one in Debian for many things
3136 [20:17:27] <Gaiseric> indeed
3137 [20:17:40] <Iridos> try ps aux | grep -i screens
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3147 [20:20:07] <Gaiseric> Hehe, "grep -i screen" finds itself
3148 [20:20:15] <greycat> Normal.
3149 [20:20:25] <Gaiseric> I know
3150 [20:20:25] <n4dir> grep -i [s]creen ; would avoid that.
3151 [20:20:42] <Iridos> it's a race, only sometimes finds itself
3152 [20:20:50] <greycat> (unless there is a file named screen in the current dir)
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3156 [20:21:22] <Gaiseric> n4dir: cool trick
3157 [20:21:34] <n4dir> one of the four tricks i know :-)
3158 [20:21:39] <oreinreo> anyone willing to shine light on my question?
3159 [20:22:04] * greycat presses page up 6 times, sees no question, stops
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3161 [20:22:26] <Gaiseric> There seems to be something wrong with my TTY's... switching to another one is extremely slow/glitchy
3162 [20:22:35] * oreinreo presses pageup one time, copypastes
3163 [20:22:37] <oreinreo> Hi, how do I get vagrant to work with virtualbox 5.1.8 and why isn't tor browser on stable jessie fixed?? :s
3164 [20:22:41] <Gaiseric> Ugh, I think I'll reboot
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3166 [20:23:14] <Iridos> and lose all the unsaved work of half an hour?
3167 [20:23:23] <Gaiseric> yeap!
3168 [20:23:33] <Iridos> no way, it's clearly worth investigating for another couple of hours
3169 [20:23:37] <Gaiseric> not a HUGE loss thankfully
3170 [20:23:42] <Gaiseric> Haha
3171 [20:23:42] <Iridos> you could at least look into logs
3172 [20:23:50] <Iridos> it's a matter of principle!
3173 [20:23:56] <Gaiseric> True, I'll do that
3174 [20:23:59] <FinalX> I thought this was #debian and not #windows ;P
3175 [20:24:08] <greycat> Either there is a separate killable saver/lock process or not. There are no logs to consult.
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3177 [20:24:21] * n4dir wondering if gui apps save unsaved work in a temporary file, but probably not
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3186 [20:27:00] <Iridos> there are, log messages, if some configuration option changed something to fundamentally go wrong that causes the unlock via password to fail and tty-switches to be slow
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3190 [20:28:13] <Gaiseric> dmesg indicates that my trusty USB 3 switch might have problems :S
3191 [20:28:16] <Gaiseric> who knows
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3193 [20:29:00] <Gaiseric> Anyway, time to reboot... Many thanks everyone!
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3267 [21:02:45] <oreinreo> how do I get vagrant to work with virtualbox 5.1.8 and why isn't tor browser on stable jessie fixed?
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3273 [21:04:19] <greycat> Clearly nobody uses any of those things. Maybe you could start by picking *one* question instead of two at once, and giving more detail.
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3275 [21:04:24] <greycat> E.g. for the second question, what is the bug report number?
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3278 [21:06:43] <petn-randall> !tracker of doom
3279 [21:06:43] <dpkg> The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at replaced-url
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3283 [21:07:11] * zykotick9 notes, tor-browser isn't in jessie... so how could it be "fixed"...
3284 [21:07:13] <ksk> I would guess he is talking about: replaced-url
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3286 [21:07:42] <petn-randall> oreinreo: Tor browser isn't in stable.
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3290 [21:08:20] <oreinreo> oi, backports then
3291 [21:08:29] <greycat> judd doesn't know anything about it at all, so maybe that's not the right pkg name
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3293 [21:08:45] <oreinreo> or I got it from git, hmm :(
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3297 [21:09:49] <petn-randall> oreinreo: With your vagrant problem, please provide more details.
3298 [21:09:50] <petn-randall> !ask
3299 [21:09:51] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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3306 [21:13:48] <hanshenrik__> petn-randall, can i ask you some questions about printf?
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3308 [21:14:08] <greycat> You could just ask the channel.
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3310 [21:15:43] <hanshenrik__> sure, but i don't have any questions about printf anyway, i'm just asking you because dpkg told me not to
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3320 [21:17:58] <oreinreo> petn-randall: I have a problem with vagrant, I'm running debian jessie. I backported virtualbox and vagrant complains that virtualbox needs to be version 4.3, but my kernel is backported and so are my headers so it's quite inconvenient to get rid of all my backports.. is there a way to get vagrant working with vbox 5?
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3325 [21:20:26] <hanshenrik__> not really familliar with vagrant, but why not just make your own development VM? then it'll be exactly how you want it, without any bloat, and it wouldn't care what version of virtualbox you're running
3326 [21:20:47] <hanshenrik__> (if you mean this thing replaced-url
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3329 [21:22:00] <mrrhq> If you want a development environment, you could always create a chroot, or if you need a different arch, debootstrap foreign, and use qemu-user-static to run binaries from a different arch.
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3333 [21:22:33] <mrrhq> There's instructions on how to do it, I just don't remember where, at the moment.
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3337 [21:23:18] <hanshenrik__> chroot isn't exactly portable - i can't take my chroot development enviorment on a usb pen and stick it in another windows computer and - whatever
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3341 [21:23:56] <mrrhq> Yes, you can actually. I have one on my external USB drive.
3342 [21:24:00] <mrrhq> Chroots are very portable.
3343 [21:24:22] <hanshenrik__> how?
3344 [21:24:33] <hanshenrik__> how would you run it on a windows computer? or a mac?
3345 [21:24:48] <mrrhq> You'd need to set up the correct mounts, they do need a little more setup.
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3347 [21:25:24] <mrrhq> Then I guess you'd need a Linux VM anyway. :p
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3349 [21:25:33] <greycat> See, this question is just bizarre to me because it assumes I would ever touch a Windows or Mac box.
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3356 [21:26:25] <mrrhq> Well I assumed he was just using Debian, so my fault.
3357 [21:26:42] <ompaul> greycat: you might move one off the table and then you could use some Debian?
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3491 [22:19:01] <the_sniff> anyone here using rsnapshot? it seems to skip a directory that i have i cant figure out how to resolve it
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3496 [22:21:23] <mrrtump> anyone here using a very active postgresql?
3497 [22:22:02] <jhutchins> !anyone
3498 [22:22:02] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
3499 [22:23:01] <jhutchins> the_sniff: Is it a real directory or a symlink? Does rsnapshot have any debug options you could use to see why? Does it have a log?
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3501 [22:23:58] <the_sniff> jhutchins log has nothing about that config line im using
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3504 [22:26:13] <jhutchins> the_sniff: Can you tell it to log more verbosely?
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3507 [22:27:04] <nwmcsween_> is there some command to strip non essential packages without it pulling in essential package deps?
3508 [22:27:35] <nwmcsween_> dpkg-query and deborphan don't take into account essential deps
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3519 [22:30:36] <the_sniff> jhutchins it's in debug mode
3520 [22:30:54] <the_sniff> jhutchins i've changed the config to include just that line, it ignores it still for some reason
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3527 [22:33:22] <mrrhq> nwmcsween_: Here's what I use, but use it with caution: replaced-url
3528 [22:33:34] <mrrhq> Put that in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99local
3529 [22:34:17] <mrrhq> Though I think it will only start taking effect on newly-installed packages.
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3535 [22:36:27] <mrrhq> As for what command to use, I think it is: apt-get install --no-install-recommends <package>
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3539 [22:37:15] <mrrhq> I really like deborphan though, and checking on things with deborphan -a
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3544 [22:40:06] <smithy_> Hi all, I'm running a Stretch Alpha 8 fresh install, my Firefox is randomly closing down. How can I debug / get logs?
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3549 [22:41:48] <towo`> smithy_, wrong channel
3550 [22:41:54] <mrrhq> smithy_: Could be addons/plugins doing it. You can send a log to Mozilla, or run firefox from a terminal, and see if it shows any errors.
3551 [22:42:14] <mrrhq> Stretch is testing? Whoops.
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3553 [22:42:37] <mrrhq> !debian-next
3554 [22:42:38] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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3556 [22:42:46] <smithy_> Oh! Okay
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3583 [22:54:07] <mrrtump> anyone here using a very active postgresql?
3584 [22:54:16] <mrrtump> 9.6 seems quite nice
3585 [22:54:17] <mrrtump> !
3586 [22:54:18] <mrrtump> :)
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3592 [22:55:31] <jhutchins> smithy_: One tip is to launch it in a terminal and look at the output after it crashes.
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3595 [22:57:10] <sweets> im sorry to bother can you tell me how to log in?
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3597 [22:58:08] <greycat> Usually you type your username, press Enter, type your password, and press Enter again.
3598 [22:58:13] <centrx> sweets: Press power button. Wait a few seconds. Enter username and password.
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3600 [22:58:32] <greycat> User and password are defined by you, during installation.
3601 [22:59:22] <sweets> greycat i did that, i got this link to register, and i tried to but it tells me to log in. but then it also shows my username so maybe i did it
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3604 [22:59:40] <greycat> Smells like troll.
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3606 [23:00:02] <sweets> no im not a troll, i must have had my hand on the space bar
3607 [23:00:08] <sweets> honest to god
3608 [23:00:23] <greycat> Not because of the spaces. Because of the question.
3609 [23:00:36] <greycat> Are you even talking about logging in to a Debian system?
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3611 [23:00:44] <sweets> oh no
3612 [23:00:49] <sweets> oh geez
3613 [23:00:53] <sweets> no its freenode?
3614 [23:01:06] <greycat> If you're having problems registering with nickserv in freenode, ask #freenode.
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3618 [23:01:27] <sweets> i dont know how i got into this chat, it just put me in here when i opened the irc. sorry. ok i will go there
3619 [23:01:43] <sweets> sorry, and thank you so much. new to all this
3620 [23:02:04] <mrrhq> You don't have to techincally "log-in" to use IRC, all you need is to set what nickname (nick) you want and channels you want to go to.
3621 [23:02:20] <sweets> ok. well it said something about registering
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3623 [23:02:24] <sweets> its alright then
3624 [23:02:33] <mrrhq> Yeah, for those channels, you need to register your nick.
3625 [23:02:34] <sweets> im sorry i feel really stupid
3626 [23:02:44] <mrrhq> np. :p
3627 [23:03:03] <yokisuci> sweets: (Y) Hey, everybody has been there sometime. ;) I still have alot to learn.
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3629 [23:03:36] <sweets> i havent chatted in a long time, now i feel so old i dont know what the hell im doing, ha
3630 [23:03:37] <sweets> lol
3631 [23:03:50] <sweets> thanks guys for being nice enough not to troll me
3632 [23:03:55] <yokisuci> sweets: haha and back then u used IRC?
3633 [23:03:56] * greycat wonders which packages on which OSes dump users in this channel. I think Kali Linux does. Debian, ironically, doesn't.
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3635 [23:04:18] <sweets> i used mIRC
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3637 [23:04:26] <yokisuci> greycat: huh what do i mean?
3638 [23:04:30] <sweets> and greycat im not sure what happened that i got put in here
3639 [23:04:41] <mrrhq> greycat: I'd have to guess Qwebirc or XChat that's preconfigured.
3640 [23:04:43] <sweets> unless this is where my friend who set this up put me? i dont know
3641 [23:04:43] <AntoFox> golinux: it is a pleasure :)
3642 [23:04:48] <mrrhq> Linux Mint does that sort of thing.
3643 [23:04:52] <greycat> yokisuci: Debian defaults to irc.debian.org which is not even this network.
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3645 [23:04:58] <teraflops> greycat: kali does it
3646 [23:05:01] <AntoFox> oh wrong chat
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3648 [23:05:02] <yokisuci> sweets: oh good old mIRC. ^_^ Never used that myself tho. Wasn't that shareware? I was playing aroud with HydraIRC on Win i think.
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3650 [23:05:14] <yokisuci> greycat: oh OK. :/
3651 [23:05:38] <sweets> yokisuci: i dont really remember, it was so long ago. I actually started in the IRC using WebTV
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3653 [23:06:05] <yokisuci> sweets: WebTV?
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3655 [23:06:35] <mrrhq> Haha, IPTV?
3656 [23:06:39] <sweets> oh god yeah, it was this thing that was big in the mid 90's. it was a console similar to like, playstation that connected you to the internet
3657 [23:06:39] <yokisuci> greycat: What do you mean that Debian defaults to IRC? :S My irssi doesn't. Or are u using Xchat?
3658 [23:06:51] <mrrhq> Or like a Smart TV thing.
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3660 [23:07:16] <yokisuci> sweets: oh okay never heard about it. Maybe it didn't exised here in sweden?
3661 [23:07:19] <greycat> Well, I'm using irssi but not from Debian, and I set up the configuration by hand 15 years ago.
3662 [23:07:41] <greycat> But I've been led to believe that Debian irc packages default to using irc.debian.org if they have any defaults at all.
3663 [23:07:56] <yokisuci> greycat: :) I'm using irssi from debian. but from what i remember, i think Xchat had a preconfigured connection to some debian channel. :/
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3665 [23:08:23] <mrrhq> I wouldn't think so, since Debian is Linux for intermediary users who like to configure most things.
3666 [23:08:26] <sweets> well this is cool. i just started using Linux
3667 [23:08:27] <yokisuci> greycat: Xchat has some defaults. Irssi doesn't. ^^ not any that i noticed atleast.
3668 [23:08:42] <sweets> i really am a loser
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3670 [23:09:00] <greycat> sweets: nah, you're ok
3671 [23:09:15] <yokisuci> sweets: :) You're welcome. I've used Linux on and off for a couple of years, but just resently moved to using the terminal more often and tiling WM
3672 [23:09:38] <sweets> my fiance built me a pc and set me up with it. im learning
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3674 [23:09:53] <mrrhq> I don't really care much for the author of XChat regardless, I won't say any more than that.
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3676 [23:09:57] <yokisuci> sweets: (Y) What desktop environment are u using?
3677 [23:10:06] <sweets> omg
3678 [23:10:10] <sweets> i dont know
3679 [23:10:15] <sweets> oh'
3680 [23:10:19] <sweets> chromium
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3682 [23:10:42] <yokisuci> mrrhq: Think xchat is kinda nice. Alot easier than irssi, that I'm just trying to get the hang off. ^^
3683 [23:10:43] <sweets> i mean i also use chrome and firefox, but mainly chromium
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3685 [23:11:09] <greycat> The ironic thing is... those programs bear more resemblance to a desktop environment than the window manager that I use does.
3686 [23:11:32] <sweets> greycat: what do you use?
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3688 [23:11:36] <greycat> fvwm
3689 [23:11:41] <mrrhq> Okay, I guess I should explain, I just find it incredibly odd why someone would sell for copies of XChat for windows, but leave the GNU/Linux version as free software. Doesn't make sense.
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3692 [23:12:00] <yokisuci> sweets: don't think so. That the browser ;) If you got icon down to the left then you're probably using KDE or...the one that's in Mint. Can't remember it right now cuz i've gotten to little sleep.
3693 [23:12:04] <yokisuci> sweets: cinnamon ^^
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3695 [23:12:13] <yokisuci> greycat: fvwm? Tiling?
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3697 [23:12:27] <sweets> uh, hexchat?
3698 [23:12:38] <mrrhq> Anyone tried Quassel at all?
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3700 [23:12:51] <greycat> Not sure what "tiling" is exactly so I'm gonna guess no.
3701 [23:13:00] <jhutchins> SOmebody mentioned a command to make a new group active for a user without logging out.
3702 [23:13:06] <sweets> no idea
3703 [23:13:07] <yokisuci> sweets: and if you got a huge bar on the top of the screen your probably using gnome. ;) Think hexchat is a fork of Xchat, but i can be wrong.
3704 [23:13:08] <greycat> jhutchins: exec su - "$LOGNAME"
3705 [23:13:32] <sweets> oh man i dunno. i should wake my fiance up, i think he would get a kick out of this
3706 [23:13:35] <jhutchins> greycat: No, it was a command that activated it in the current session.
3707 [23:13:50] <yokisuci> greycat: Did a search and no, it's not tiling.
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3709 [23:13:53] <mrrhq> yokisuci: I think Hexchat is original.
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3711 [23:13:54] <greycat> jhutchins: you might be looking for newgrp, but that still has to be exec'ed or it leaves the old shell behind
3712 [23:14:18] <jhutchins> Yeah, that was it. Thx.
3713 [23:14:24] <mrrhq> Oh nvm, I'm wrong!
3714 [23:14:28] <yokisuci> mrrhq: you're sure? Wasn't hexchat a fork because of some license stuff or that it wasn't totally free?
3715 [23:14:31] <yokisuci> mrrhq: thought so
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3717 [23:14:44] <sweets> brb
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3719 [23:15:15] <mrrhq> yokisuci: Yes, like I said above, the author started selling copies for Windows only.
3720 [23:15:21] <yokisuci> mrrhq: yeah looked like the original xchat was shareware.
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3722 [23:15:30] <yokisuci> mrrhq: mm
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3725 [23:16:15] <sweets> ok
3726 [23:16:24] <mrrhq> I don't really have a problem with it. He can do what he wants, and I can choose whether or not I want to support it. :)
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3728 [23:16:40] <yokisuci> mrrhq: (Y)
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3733 [23:17:56] <yokisuci> greycat: there's a lecture on tiling windowmanager on kalsan15 on youtube btw. kinda interesting.
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3740 [23:19:14] <yokisuci> :/
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3745 [23:20:09] <nkuttler> ,v salt-minion
3746 [23:20:10] <judd> Package: salt-minion on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0.17.5+ds-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2014.1.13+ds-3; jessie-backports: 2016.3.3+ds-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 2016.3.3+ds-3; stretch: 2016.3.4+ds-1; sid: 2016.3.4+ds-2
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3748 [23:20:18] <nkuttler> bluenemo: ^^
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3761 [23:27:15] <mrrhq> ,v ppsspp
3762 [23:27:16] <judd> No package named 'ppsspp' was found in amd64.
3763 [23:27:21] <mrrhq> Literally, when.
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3765 [23:27:45] <Richard_Cavell> Is there a boot expert here? Debian boots on my iMac5,1 but Ubuntu and Mint do not. I have confirmed this.
3766 [23:28:23] <greycat> Then you don't want #debian.
3767 [23:28:49] <dave101> Hi i;ve installed Virtualbox form the jessie backports and now i have version 5.1.8. As im trying to install metapsloitable3 it tells me that only version 5.1.6 is compatable. how do i downgrade to 5.1.6 from 5.1.8 via the repos?
3768 [23:29:13] <Richard_Cavell> greycat: I am going to be compelled to use Debian, I guess
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3771 [23:29:44] <greycat> dave101: you could see if there's an older version in replaced-url
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3777 [23:31:59] <dave101> i dont see it with "sudo apt-cache -t jessie-backports showpkg virtualbox"
3778 [23:32:08] <dave101> only 5.1.6
3779 [23:32:18] <yokisuci> Richard_Cavell: Yeah. Why would you prefer Mint or Ubuntu anyway? It's not like debian is THAT much harder. :/
3780 [23:32:22] <dave101> greycat: ill take a look
3781 [23:32:36] <acu_> hello everyone - I am so sorry for asking such an offtopic question - does anyone know a bulgarian speaking chat room ?
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3785 [23:33:24] <yokisuci> Richard_Cavell: And if you do a minimal installation (without DE) you can get it as bloated or as minimal as you want to :)
3786 [23:33:26] <Richard_Cavell> yokisuci: I have no reason to be honest, I just want to try them.
3787 [23:33:28] <yokisuci> acu_: no idea
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3789 [23:33:54] <Richard_Cavell> I only want to use browser plus command line
3790 [23:34:01] <yokisuci> Richard_Cavell: Oh okej :) When it comes to the Mint DE you can install that one on Debian to :) And Unity 8 isn't stable yet anyway.
3791 [23:34:12] <dave101> i see it here - replaced-url
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3794 [23:34:37] <yokisuci> Richard_Cavell: If you only want to browse and use cli then I really can't see why you would want to use a complete DE anyway :S
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3798 [23:35:35] <Richard_Cavell> yokisuci: I have a slight preference for mate but it doesn't really matter
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3801 [23:35:59] <gljoe> whats with all the sound problems on debian...why does freedink and hundreds of free freedink type musical adventures sound ok but the zsnes and pcsxr sound like crap
3802 [23:36:02] <yokisuci> Richard_Cavell: Then use Cinnamon and Debian Testing? :)
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3804 [23:36:58] <yokisuci> Too bad that Vimb (and tabbed as a seperate utility instead of the suckless tools package) isn't in the Debian repos. :( Not that it's hard to compile, but i'm using it right now and have to say its so far pretty stable.
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3807 [23:37:33] <gljoe> it does also seem that the free 3d musical adventures like dink3d and dink nukem seem to sound ok while playing 3d gl graphics but still zsnes and pcsxr sound like crap
3808 [23:37:39] <yokisuci> Hasn't crashed on me a single time, and that's more then I can say on Luakit and Qutebrowser :/
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3812 [23:38:05] <yokisuci> but only used it for a week
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3814 [23:38:42] <gljoe> it is nice to know that a simple turn based battle engine was added to the freedink codebase so musical adventures with battles that must be fought can be told
3815 [23:39:21] <gljoe> of course they are no final fantasy 15 with no one like shimamura
3816 [23:39:32] <gljoe> but then again the price is certainly not the same either
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3819 [23:40:51] <gljoe> but of course how many people are really interested in hearing about the stories of Bored with the Rings
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3823 [23:41:49] <gljoe> or Why are all the Heroes of Yesterday's History
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3826 [23:42:26] <n4dir> shit knows what you are talking about.
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3828 [23:42:55] <yokisuci> ^^
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3830 [23:43:24] <gljoe> well does anyone know why history always seems to focus on yesterday's heroes
3831 [23:43:28] <yokisuci> gljoe: i have a feeling that i'm waaaay to tiered to understand what u r walking 'bout
3832 [23:43:31] <yokisuci> talkin*
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3835 [23:44:26] <gljoe> yokisuci...with a name like that you don't even know how awesome shimamura is
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3837 [23:45:05] <gljoe> some people say that even shimamura and tabata don't know how awesome they are!
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3842 [23:46:08] <gljoe> yoki...but anyway this is about debian and the dink squad of free musical adventure games with simple battle engines for battles that must be fought
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3844 [23:47:05] <gljoe> for example would you fight for the right to forge your own destiny
3845 [23:47:14] <yokisuci> gljoe: ohh dink smallwood?
3846 [23:47:42] <gljoe> yokisuci...yes exactly and don't forget the ding bigwood free stuff either
3847 [23:48:18] <gljoe> its so sad when the epic tales of yesterdays heroes fall on the deaf ears of everyone today
3848 [23:48:50] <yokisuci> gljoe: Think i tried Dink Smallwood once, that that was ages ago. Got on some CD from the library i think.
3849 [23:49:13] <yokisuci> gljoe: but what does Dink have to do with Debian? ^^
3850 [23:49:30] <gljoe> yokisuci...you never bothered to see all the dink mod games or hear the echoes of legends of the past
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3853 [23:50:20] <yokisuci> gljoe: Nopez. And has to be like 15 yrs or so since i tried it.
3854 [23:50:28] <gljoe> yokisuci...do you think the dink squad of penguins is just make believe
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3858 [23:51:28] <gljoe> yokisuci..you never examined dfarc capabilies for running all the free dink mod games on debian
3859 [23:51:36] <yokisuci> gljoe: i no pretty much nothing about dink smallwood.
3860 [23:51:55] <yokisuci> gljoe: nopez i havn't. don't play on my computer anymore. I love the consoles to that.
3861 [23:51:59] <yokisuci> leave*
3862 [23:52:08] <gljoe> yokisuci...well remaining ignorant of yesterday's knowledge could be a costly mistake
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3866 [23:52:37] <yokisuci> leave that to the consoles* wow my english is terrible. Ignorant? ^^ I've never been a fan of rpgs.
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3868 [23:52:59] <gljoe> yokisuci...do you want to slam a car into a brick wall at 180 miles per hour because you did not read of yesterday's conservation of momentum issues
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3870 [23:53:12] <yokisuci> gljoe: huh? No?
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3872 [23:53:50] <gljoe> yokisuci and to this day it is difficult to separate truth from myth.
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3874 [23:55:03] <yokisuci> gljoe: No it's not. >.<
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3878 [23:56:01] <gljoe> yokisuci...well it certainly is for me...there are so many legends of yesteryear that seem to have relevance to me...so i have a very difficult time separating truth from myth..
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3880 [23:56:14] <gljoe> yokisuci...what do you think of the legend of Jesus Christ
3881 [23:56:52] <gljoe> yokisuci...do you think there could be any truth to that myth
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3884 [23:57:10] <yokisuci> gljoe: Jesus? Well, i think he's kinda dead and that most of the stuff in the bible is mostly old stories and myths.
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3886 [23:57:55] <yokisuci> gljoe: Sure, there can be SOME stuff that's historicly corrent, but that doesn't mean anything really imo.
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3888 [23:58:20] <gljoe> yokisuci...well i then can only speak for myself....and for me truth is very difficult to separate from myth
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3891 [23:58:59] <yokisuci> gljoe: atleast not to me. If you're having issues with seperating myths from reallity then maybe it's time to see a psychologist? ^^
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3893 [23:59:18] <gljoe> yokisuci...what do you think of the myth of philosophers' search for truth...and the possibility of the legend of the philosopher's stone
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3895 [23:59:39] <gljoe> yokisuci...a stone that could give eternal life
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