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9[00:06:52] <ChoHag> Why is rpcbind listening on a random udp port?
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11[00:07:09] <ChoHag> In addition to port 111 and tcp.
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15[00:09:26] <ChoHag> And /run/rpcbind.sock
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26[00:15:05] <ozmage> hello whereis zsnes ?
27[00:15:20] <bazhang> ozmage, which one
28[00:15:40] <bazhang> ,v zsnes
29[00:15:41] <judd> No package named 'zsnes' was found in amd64.
30[00:16:13] <missmbob> it's a i386 only package
31[00:16:18] <ozmage> ,v snes9x
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33[00:16:35] <benlue> anyone familiar with maven? i get an error: [ERROR] No plugin found for prefix 'archetype' in the current project and in the plugin groups [org.apache.maven.plugins, org.codehaus.mojo] available from the repositories [local (/root/.m2/repository), central (replaced-url
34[00:16:41] <ozmage> debian dont have multilib ?
35[00:16:51] <missmbob> debian has multiarch
36[00:16:55] <benlue> mvn archetype:generate isnt working i get the same error
37[00:17:03] <missmbob> !multiarch
38[00:17:03] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
39[00:17:40] <missmbob> so you add the i386 arch then apt-get install zsnes:i386
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46[00:20:58] <bazhang> what games were you going to play with that ozmage
47[00:21:25] <ozmage> startocean
48[00:21:46] <bazhang> most of those games can be played within the browser now ozmage
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53[00:24:28] <bazhang> replaced-url
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57[00:25:48] <bazhang> you meant 'star ocean' and not start ocean, right ozmage ?
58[00:26:12] <ozmage> thxyeah
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60[00:26:45] <bazhang> archive.org has hundreds of free and legal roms to play online ozmage
61[00:27:01] <bazhang> ie in your browser
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64[00:27:44] <ozmage> kk
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71[00:32:03] <zykotick9> missmbob: if you figure out how to get zsnes running in multiarch (or hear of anyone getting it to run) let me know... just sayin'
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74[00:32:32] <bazhang> zykotick9, I have
75[00:32:37] <missmbob> i just told you how :P
76[00:32:42] <missmbob> what didnt you understand?
77[00:33:02] <zykotick9> bazhang: really? i though zsnes had "serious" issues (read, not working) with multiarch...
78[00:33:15] <zykotick9> bazhang: i'll have to give it another shot... thanks!
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80[00:34:11] <bazhang> though these days I prefer the browser option, as all the original sounds wrok much better there
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89[00:36:49] * zykotick9 grabs the advancemenu deb from deb-multimedia, and likes to run a lot of emulators from debian-main... the fact that MAME (and now MESS as they are combined) are now both "free software" is something he never thought he'd see :)
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92[00:37:34] <zykotick9> testing & sid have mame 0.179 :) i hope testing stays with that version!
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95[00:38:20] <bazhang> I had an entire older computer set up as my snes/other old gamer box
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97[00:38:38] <zykotick9> s/old gamer/retro gamer/ ;)
98[00:38:52] <bazhang> yeah!
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102[00:39:50] <FinalX> old retro gamer :)
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104[00:39:58] <honigkuchen> hi
105[00:40:06] <honigkuchen> I want to report a bug to debian
106[00:40:10] <honigkuchen> where can I do that
107[00:40:20] <honigkuchen> I watched for mailing lists
108[00:40:30] <honigkuchen> but r unable to chose one
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110[00:40:53] <zykotick9> dpkg: tell honigkuchen about bug
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170[01:16:31] <yokisuci> =/
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236[01:52:40] <errqre> I have a headless home server. After installing a package that requires X, my computer won't boot w/o a monitor attached.
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241[01:55:00] <pcdummy> errqre: theres a xorg shim package
242[01:55:06] <pcdummy> errqre: install that one
243[01:55:49] <pcdummy> wait i'm wrong have to look again
244[01:56:02] <errqre> pcdummy: ok
245[01:56:17] <pcdummy> replaced-url
246[01:56:23] <pcdummy> its a driver
247[01:56:57] <pcdummy> errqre: not sure why your comp wont boot without monitor, it has a graka, right?
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249[01:57:38] <errqre> pcdummy: yeah - nvidia 8800gt using the nouveau driver
250[01:58:06] <errqre> it's odd, too - nothing really sticks out in dmesg
251[01:58:31] <pcdummy> errqre: no network without monitor?
252[01:58:33] <errqre> but exhaustive (and exhausting) testing narrowed it down
253[01:58:36] <errqre> no
254[02:00:11] <pcdummy> errqre: i remember back in the days where people made dummy vga adapters
255[02:00:21] <pcdummy> but 88x nv sounds not that old
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259[02:02:04] <pcdummy> errqre: this should help: replaced-url
260[02:02:08] <errqre> Yeah - haven't tried with just the cable plugged in
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291[02:15:07] <errqre> pcdummy: xserver-xorg-video-dummy was all that was needed - works like a champ
292[02:15:14] <errqre> thank you
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314[02:21:04] <pcdummy> errqre: np :)
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332[02:32:24] <tobiasBora> Hello,
333[02:33:04] <tobiasBora> I would like if it's possible to use fdisk to do "arithmetic" to choose the position of the first/last sector ?
334[02:33:29] <tobiasBora> For example something like "<last sector nb> - 1G" to create a 1G partition.
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349[02:40:17] <noob0> hi.. does anyone know when jessie will have chromium 54 in the repositories?
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354[02:41:41] <noob0> or how to update chromium.. chromium 53 sux now
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361[02:46:41] <noob0> it's like debian is saying 'use firefox' or use debian unstable if you want the better chromium
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363[02:47:02] <greyeax> yes
364[02:47:06] <greyeax> there are backports maybe
365[02:47:10] <greyeax> or you can make your own backport
366[02:47:18] <greyeax> but if it's not in jessie dont hold your breath
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369[02:47:32] <pcdummy> noob0: you need to download the ubuntu version of chromium :/
370[02:49:18] <noob0> i was going to try the debian unstable .deb file but i worry about dependency problems... does the ubuntu version work?
371[02:49:46] <pcdummy> noob0: still searching for a trusty ppa
372[02:50:33] <noob0> even testing has chromium 53 still
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388[02:59:16] <pcdummy> i also find "only" 53 for trusty
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391[03:00:28] <noob0> thanks for looking mate
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395[03:03:36] <noob0> hopefully it won't be too long til 54 is ready for the debian users not using unstable
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439[03:24:11] <ozmage> hello how i make this pkg replaced-url
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441[03:24:21] <ozmage> i need a quick how to
442[03:24:40] <ozmage> i already downloaded the the .dsc
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444[03:24:47] <ozmage> what next
445[03:24:48] <ozmage> ?
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523[04:05:03] <foul_owl> Hi folks. I'm trying to compile torch on Debian 8. Getting: nvcc fatal : Unsupported gpu architecture 'compute_61'
524[04:05:17] <foul_owl> It looks like the error is coming from the nvidia cuda compiler, and not on Torch's end
525[04:05:33] <foul_owl> I have a geforce 1060 which I installed the drivers from jessie-backports
526[04:05:42] <foul_owl> As specified in the wiki
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530[04:09:01] <foul_owl> I'm wondering, is the wrong cuda version installed? How do I run a quick nvcc test?
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532[04:09:30] <foul_owl> Essentially I want to compile "hello world" via nvcc and run it
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534[04:09:33] <foul_owl> How do I do that? Thanks!
535[04:10:03] <foul_owl> I have been reading also that perhaps the 1060 doesn't support cuda 7.5
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548[04:20:55] <foul_owl> It looks like the only way is to install CUDA 8 from nvidia, is that correct?
549[04:21:10] <foul_owl> If so, do I need to use the driver straight from nvidia or can I use the driver from jessie backports?
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554[04:23:07] <user1> Hi - I recently re-installed my server and it was Beta. Do I need to do a fresh install to go to Beta2 ?
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567[04:37:18] <missmbob> what is beta 2? anyone have any idea in hell what he/she meant?
568[04:37:45] <foul_owl> unstable maybe? o_O
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608[04:56:16] <missmbob> oh, of course. "Ubuntu 16.10 Beta 2 Now Available to Download"
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610[04:56:56] <dvs> and?
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612[04:58:20] <missmbob> dvs: makes sense user1 is asking ubuntu questions in here
613[04:58:53] <missmbob> because Reading is Hard
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615[05:00:06] <dvs> !be a reading barbie
616[05:00:06] <dpkg> Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, dvs
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622[05:07:31] <helllojesus12> how can I specify with yum what directory to install package in
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624[05:08:00] <dvs> ???
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626[05:09:10] <helllojesus12> @dvs, so if I do yum install how can I tell it to install in the directory I specify
627[05:09:28] <noob0> hello jesus lol
628[05:09:34] <dvs> debian comes with yum????
629[05:09:42] <missmbob> it does. "Be aware that the only usage of yum in Debian is to perform chroot (Xen, UML) of Fedora, RHEL, CentOS, etc. installs"
630[05:10:02] * dvs waits for dnf
631[05:10:15] <missmbob> "This package was not, is not, and will never be, a replacement for apt-get when using Debian or any other .deb based distribution. So please, do NOT ask about it, or do not send any bug entry for this, or you'll get flamed for not reading the README.Debian as anyone should."
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794[07:04:14] <m_robot> hello
795[07:04:56] <m_robot> kdjasjd
796[07:04:57] <m_robot> dasdj
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798[07:05:00] <m_robot> missmob
799[07:05:05] <m_robot> missmbob:
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801[07:05:48] <m_robot> missmbob: did u notice?
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886[07:46:14] <Stranger09> samiullah r u here
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894[07:48:32] <Stranger09> missmbob: katte chukh
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906[07:54:02] <Stranger09> samiullah r u here
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910[07:56:32] <missmbob> i'm here.
911[07:56:36] <missmbob> fuck
912[07:57:17] <missmbob> Strife89: 00:54 < Stranger09> samiullah r u here 00:56 -!- Stranger09 [~stranger0@2405:205:3:598e:120b:a9ff:fedb:f464] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 00:56 < missmbob> i'm here. 00:56 < missmbob> fuck
913[07:57:30] <missmbob> Strife89: again, i told you, we mostly idle and you need to be patient
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919[08:00:35] <missmbob_> of course mr_robot and Stranger_09 are gone. great.
920[08:01:00] <missmbob_> asshole
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965[08:27:45] <awal1> I dont really understand the difference between purge ~o and --purge-unused (aptitude purge ñ adn aptitude --purge-unused)
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969[08:28:01] <awal1> aptitude purge ~o
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977[08:29:59] <awal1> why aptitude removes old kernel when runninf purge ~0 , but apt/apt-get doesn't do with autoremove?
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981[08:31:18] <awal1> in fact old kernels are obsolete but apt/apt-get always keeps 1 old kernel, not aptitude
982[08:32:14] <awal1> well, I find apt/apt-get more carefull in this case. Which file I should check for find how/why apt /apt-get does that?
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995[08:37:12] <awal1> is this the related file replaced-url
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1000[08:38:33] <awal1> I think so, ehm? line 30
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1005[08:41:24] <frdrwn> /msg dpkg 8.6
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1008[08:43:16] <awal1> frdrwn, without space at the beginning
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1017[08:49:17] <foul_owl> How do I get firefox save/open dialog, evince, et al to not use gnome 3 style windowing crap. My window manager is fluxbox and the windows are "stuck". xterm, vlc, etc work fine.
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1022[08:51:45] <awal1> foul_owl: probably purging or just removing gnome-themes-standard pkg?
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1028[08:53:24] <awal1> well, check closely the removal prompts, other pkgs may recommend it or depend on it
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1033[08:54:20] <AlexLikeRock> hi all
1034[08:54:43] <AlexLikeRock> we need a driver REALTEK, take a look :
1035[08:54:45] <AlexLikeRock> replaced-url
1036[08:54:46] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1046[08:57:22] <Ke> AlexLikeRock: yup, I noticed the same thing, I have 2 different USB devices using RTL* and neither are supported by debian, but are supported by upstream linux/linux-firmware
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1050[08:58:40] <AlexLikeRock> tanks Ke
1051[08:58:40] <Ke> AlexLikeRock: someone complained that some of the drivers have usbid collisions with some other drivers, but that should be patchable problem
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1053[08:59:01] <AlexLikeRock> yes,
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1066[09:02:03] <Iota> Good morning, world!
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1079[09:08:13] <foul_owl> Thanks! Let me try that
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1083[09:09:29] <awal1> foul_owl: thinking about it, I dont think it will solve your issue at all, since it's gtk3 theming related, I think
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1085[09:09:37] <foul_owl> Hmmm ok
1086[09:09:42] <foul_owl> Yeah I tried it and it didn't work
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1089[09:11:30] <awal1> foul_owl: which theme are you using for your flux?
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1097[09:12:21] <ak5> hi, when using apt-cache search, I am wondering what the [default] and sometimes (default) means?
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1102[09:14:33] <AlexLikeRock> ak5 example?
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1106[09:15:01] <foul_owl> "Results"
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1111[09:16:09] <awal1> foul_owl, not window decor theme, I meaant your desktop theme
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1131[09:28:46] <Mahe> foul_owl: with "gnome 3 style windowing crap" do you mean those GTK3 header bars (client side decoration) only or the full window styling (button and control styles etc.)?
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1145[09:38:22] <dominik1> does anyone know why running my keybindings with `xbindkeys -n` works, while it doesn't with just `xbindkeys` ?
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1147[09:38:33] <Tsutsukakushi> hi, i'm having an issue with the debian jessie installer
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1149[09:38:44] <Tsutsukakushi> after few seconds it freezes
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1154[09:39:34] <Tsutsukakushi> if i go to the shell fast enough i can also see that the cursor stops blinking
1155[09:39:48] <Tsutsukakushi> no keyboard input works
1156[09:40:02] <Tsutsukakushi> ctrl+alt+del doesn't reboot, sysrq doesn't work
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1158[09:40:12] <Tsutsukakushi> anyone know what could be causing this?
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1170[09:42:17] <AlexLikeRock> Tsutsukakushi, ctrl+alt+F1
1171[09:42:37] <AlexLikeRock> ??
1172[09:43:11] <Tsutsukakushi> that is the installer itself
1173[09:43:23] <Tsutsukakushi> but no, the other TTYs don't work either
1174[09:43:26] <Tsutsukakushi> no keyboard input works
1175[09:44:04] <AlexLikeRock> try " install " but avoid "Graphic Install "
1176[09:44:10] <Tsutsukakushi> nio
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1178[09:44:12] <Tsutsukakushi> no
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1180[09:44:14] <Tsutsukakushi> happens with both
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1182[09:44:26] <AlexLikeRock> ok, what its you hardware ?
1183[09:44:50] <Bobbix> Hi to all, Why WINE isn't usable on Debian ?
1184[09:45:05] <AlexLikeRock> how say that Bobbix ?
1185[09:45:13] <bazhang> check the appdb Bobbix
1186[09:45:14] <missmbob_> Bobbix: it is
1187[09:45:17] <Tsutsukakushi> it's a slot pc
1188[09:45:27] <AlexLikeRock> Bobbix, i have MS Office 2007 . working fine
1189[09:45:31] <bazhang> not every game is wine-able Bobbix
1190[09:45:33] <Bobbix> No, Wine cannot be installed on Debian
1191[09:45:49] <bazhang> ,v wine
1192[09:45:50] <judd> Package: wine on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-20; jessie-backports: 1.8.5-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.8.5-1; stretch: 1.8.5-1
1193[09:45:51] <missmbob_> Bobbix: yes it can be. do you want to try again and give us something useful?
1194[09:45:56] <bazhang> sure it can
1195[09:46:14] <Tsutsukakushi> i'll try to find the specific model for you
1196[09:46:22] <AlexLikeRock> Bobbix, replaced-url
1197[09:46:25] <AlexLikeRock> GO!
1198[09:46:45] <bazhang> #winehq once you have it installed Bobbix
1199[09:46:48] <AlexLikeRock> tnks Tsutsukakushi
1200[09:46:49] <missmbob_> AlexLikeRock: that has nothing to do with it being available in debian
1201[09:46:52] <Bobbix> No at all. I don't want Wine for games... but i want to run some standalone software. if i install wine i can't find wine on the sysem after.. wehy ???
1202[09:46:54] <AlexLikeRock> CPU ?
1203[09:47:16] <bazhang> which exact software Bobbix
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1205[09:47:22] <Bobbix> Notepad++
1206[09:47:31] <missmbob_> Bobbix: what have you tried?
1207[09:47:43] <Tsutsukakushi> it's a NEC Slot-In PC STv2
1208[09:47:53] <AlexLikeRock> O_O
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1210[09:48:25] <Bobbix> Simply installed wine via Synaptic... don't work, the installation do something but wine is not present, fake C drive is not present, some files for wine are not present... the script don't work fine
1211[09:48:27] <AlexLikeRock> Tsutsukakushi, nice
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1213[09:48:39] <Tsutsukakushi> why is that nice :o
1214[09:48:42] <Bobbix> I've tried with any debian version
1215[09:48:53] <Bobbix> 32 and 64 bit and with any UI
1216[09:48:59] <missmbob_> Bobbix: "the installation do something" is not helpful. you can pastebin your commands and output
1217[09:49:13] <bazhang> which script is he talkin about
1218[09:49:14] <Bobbix> How
1219[09:49:23] <AlexLikeRock> Bobbix, replaced-url
1220[09:49:23] <missmbob_> Bobbix: you copy and paste
1221[09:49:33] <Bobbix> from ?
1222[09:49:37] <missmbob_> AlexLikeRock: please stop with things that have nothing to do with debian
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1224[09:49:47] <__marco> Hello. I need to install MongoDB in Debian stretch but it requires libssl1.0.0. Debian stretch has only libssl1.0.2. Do you have an idea how to resolv?
1225[09:50:00] <AlexLikeRock> missmbob, debian have WIKI about WINE ?
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1227[09:50:14] <AlexLikeRock> A: NOOoooo!
1228[09:50:44] <Bobbix> Wine result already installed... but no icon, no files, no dir... nothing
1229[09:50:51] <Bobbix> i've to uninstall it first
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1231[09:52:52] <awal1> he is installing usning synaptic
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1234[09:53:33] <AlexLikeRock> Tsutsukakushi, you have a SPECIAL computer , you need AVANCED options of install
1235[09:53:57] <bazhang> I tend to right click the exe, open with Wine
1236[09:53:57] <AlexLikeRock> Bobbix, , WINE , no have icons
1237[09:54:00] <Bobbix> replaced-url
1238[09:54:23] <jelly> __marco: add repos for jessie back into the configuration. Why are you running stretch at all?
1239[09:54:39] <Tsutsukakushi> AlexLikeRock: it has worked before
1240[09:54:39] <AlexLikeRock> Bobbix, try at terminal $ wine my-program.exe
1241[09:54:41] <bazhang> also , there are other text editors native to debian that rival notepad
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1243[09:54:44] <Bobbix> AlexLikeRock: i remeber wine have icons and graphical tools for configuration
1244[09:54:53] <jelly> __marco: read /msg dpkg jessie sources.list
1245[09:55:02] <bazhang> thats winetricks Bobbix
1246[09:55:18] <AlexLikeRock> Bobbix, $ wine ~/.wine/drive_c/myapps/my-program.exe
1247[09:55:32] <Bobbix> yes winetricks
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1249[09:55:47] <bazhang> thats another thing, not wine Bobbix
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1251[09:55:53] <AlexLikeRock> bazhang, pluma, gedit , kate , kwrite
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1253[09:56:16] <bazhang> cough nano cough
1254[09:56:24] <Bobbix> wine: cannot find '/root/.wine/drive_c/myapps/my-program.exe'
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1256[09:56:33] <awal1> Bobbix, call wine from terminal
1257[09:56:34] <AlexLikeRock> bazhang, i love KATE
1258[09:56:44] <jelly> Bobbix: why are you running wine (and other X apps, possibly) as root?
1259[09:56:56] <Bobbix> wine is installed and i can launch it from commandline...
1260[09:57:22] <AlexLikeRock> Bobbix, templace "my-program.exe"
1261[09:57:27] <AlexLikeRock> don be a fool !
1262[09:57:29] <Bobbix> but i remember in ubuntu a menu entry with some programs and link, line drive C and notepad
1263[09:57:43] <jelly> Bobbix: run it as normal user. which app are you trying to run?
1264[09:57:56] <Bobbix> i download notepad++ please wait
1265[09:57:59] <bazhang> notepad plus plus jelly
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1267[09:58:32] <AlexLikeRock> Tsutsukakushi ever debian version CHANGE
1268[09:58:36] <bazhang> he wants the gui I guess
1269[09:58:56] <AlexLikeRock> maybe you need a some option at install
1270[09:58:56] <bazhang> if it works as it should, then he wants that gui-y thing
1271[09:59:13] <bazhang> ,v winetricks
1272[09:59:14] <judd> Package: winetricks on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 0.0+20121030+svn918-1; jessie/contrib: 0.0+20141009+svn1208-2; sid/contrib: 0.0+20160425-1; stretch/contrib: 0.0+20160425-1
1273[09:59:24] <Bobbix> downloaded... can i launch: wine npp.7.2.2.Installer.exe ???
1274[09:59:33] <Bobbix> (from terminal)
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1277[10:00:12] <Bobbix> I remember that double clicking on exe files on Ubuntu result in a installation run... on debian it's different?
1278[10:00:28] <awal1> yes, different
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1280[10:00:58] <awal1> I dont use wine, but I tried it. call it from terminal as regular user
1281[10:01:04] <AlexLikeRock> Bobbix, yes
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1284[10:01:34] <jelly> -rw-r--r-- 1 jelly users 1356 Feb 6 2016 .local/share/applications/menu-xdg/X-Debian-Wine-.-notepad++.desktop # the installation (done a LONG time ago) created an icon/menu entry for me
1285[10:01:45] <awal1> the buntu's gui you're talking about isn't winetricks
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1287[10:01:48] <jelly> and I did not use winetricks
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1289[10:02:09] <bazhang> he wants the buntu way
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1293[10:04:04] <awal1> Bobbix: from terminal run winecfg
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1295[10:04:31] <jelly> eh... browse to the installer path from a shell, then run "wine npp.7.2.2.Installer.x64.exe" or whatnot
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1298[10:05:17] <bazhang> alex linked the exact instructions on using wine some twenty minutes ago, I wonder if Bobbix read that or not
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1316[10:09:46] <bazhang> !wine
1317[10:09:47] <dpkg> somebody said wine was ine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: replaced-url
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1320[10:10:54] <fredcooke> beware of wine64 not running win32 apps sometimes
1321[10:11:04] <fredcooke> top tip
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1339[10:18:21] <Bobbix> Thanks to all guys
1340[10:18:27] <bazhang> np
1341[10:18:36] <Bobbix> I've wine running on my debian installation
1342[10:18:40] <Bobbix> no UI
1343[10:18:49] <bazhang> thats super Bobbix
1344[10:18:57] <Bobbix> no menu link BUT works
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1346[10:19:18] <Bobbix> Thanls for your support, very important.
1347[10:19:21] <bazhang> Bobbix, you might want to check gedit some time
1348[10:19:41] <jelly> emacs!
1349[10:19:50] <bazhang> that runs super duper great on debian
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1351[10:19:53] <Bobbix> i know gedit and also phpedit, but i love notepad++ and it run fine under wine
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1353[10:20:04] <jelly> !start an editor war
1354[10:20:04] <dpkg> vim bites.
1355[10:20:06] <bazhang> it does indeed
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1358[10:20:37] <bazhang> oh you dpkg
1359[10:20:51] <Bobbix> Thanks agait, i've to quit group now... see you next time. Bye.
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1362[10:21:00] <bazhang> bye
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1371[10:27:46] <missmbob> 02:50 < AlexLikeRock> missmbob, debian have WIKI about WINE ?
1372[10:28:03] <missmbob> 02:50 < AlexLikeRock> missmbob, debian have WIKI about WINE ? yes. replaced-url
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1378[10:29:41] <jelly> missmbob: hey, this channel is here to help people solve issues, not point out someone's mistakes after the fact
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1385[10:32:01] <missmbob> jelly: if you couldnt tell i've had connection issues. i havent seen everything and have been trying to help
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1391[10:34:33] <chomwitt> when installing in stable a backported package should it pull also all the backported dependencies ?
1392[10:34:47] <chomwitt> should -> shouldnt
1393[10:34:48] <missmbob> chomwitt: if it needs it, yes.
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1396[10:35:28] <chomwitt> i install erlang (a dummy package) and it wont pull the backported dependencies
1397[10:35:46] <missmbob> chomwitt: so you're using -t jessie-backports?
1398[10:35:49] <missmbob> !bat
1399[10:35:49] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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1401[10:36:11] <chomwitt> sudo apt-get -t jessie-backports install "erlang"
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1403[10:36:24] <jelly> chomwitt: if a backport requires backported deps, those should be explicit (ie. versioned dependencies)
1404[10:36:45] <jelly> ,v erlang
1405[10:36:46] <judd> Package: erlang on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:15.b.1-dfsg-4+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1:17.1-dfsg-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:17.3-dfsg-4; stretch: 1:19.1.5+dfsg-1; jessie-backports: 1:19.1.6+dfsg-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:19.1.6+dfsg-2; sid: 1:19.1.6+dfsg-2
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1408[10:37:00] <jelly> ,depends erlang --release jessie-backports
1409[10:37:01] <judd> Package erlang in jessie-backports/amd64 -- depends: erlang-base | erlang-base-hipe, erlang-dev, erlang-asn1, erlang-common-test, erlang-corba, erlang-crypto, erlang-debugger, erlang-dialyzer, erlang-diameter, erlang-edoc, erlang-eldap, erlang-erl-docgen, erlang-et, erlang-eunit, erlang-gs, erlang-ic, erlang-inets, erlang-megaco, erlang-mnesia, erlang-observer, erlang-odbc, erlang-os-mon, erlang-
1410[10:37:02] <judd> parsetools, erlang-percept, erlang-public-key, erlang-reltool, erlang-runtime-tools, erlang-snmp, erlang-ssh, erlang-ssl, erlang-syntax-tools, erlang-tools, erlang-typer, erlang-wx, erlang-xmerl.
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1412[10:37:08] <jelly> eh
1413[10:37:17] <azarus> q
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1419[10:38:02] <chomwitt> sorry i dont know about 'versioned deps'
1420[10:38:45] <chomwitt> ,v erlang-base
1421[10:38:46] <judd> Package: erlang-base on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:15.b.1-dfsg-4+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1:17.1-dfsg-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:17.3-dfsg-4; jessie-backports: 1:19.1.6+dfsg-2~bpo8+1; sid: 1:19.1.6+dfsg-2; stretch: 1:19.1.6+dfsg-2
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1428[10:41:35] <missmbob> chomwitt: since jelly is the only one with knowledge of what other people already know, you should keep asking him
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1430[10:42:20] <chomwitt> sudo apt-cache policy erlang-base wont show as canditate the bpo version so i guess i must install all deps by hand?
1431[10:42:44] <missmbob> chomwitt: please pastebin your sources.list
1432[10:42:53] <chomwitt> ok.
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1438[10:43:36] <chomwitt> replaced-url
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1444[10:45:10] <missmbob> chomwitt: did you apt-get update?
1445[10:45:26] <chomwitt> from inside aptitude
1446[10:45:32] <chomwitt> i'll do it again
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1449[10:49:23] <chomwitt> ok. i see that apt-cache policy will list the new bpo version of erlang-base . the question is why it wont pull it if i run apt-get -t jessie-backports to install erlang
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1451[10:50:13] <missmbob> you could pastebin it
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1453[10:50:35] <chomwitt> ok
1454[10:50:55] <chomwitt> one moment to change locale of output, from greek
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1457[10:51:57] <jelly> chomwitt: do you have any pinning or APT::Default-Release in place?
1458[10:52:06] <chomwitt> replaced-url
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1462[10:52:48] <missmbob> chomwitt: pastebin the install of it
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1465[10:53:08] <chomwitt> generally cause i dont have knowledge related i wont tamper with apt config. but i could check. my memory is not always a good servant
1466[10:53:40] <jelly> chomwitt: also "apt-cache -t jessie-backports policy erlang erlang-base"
1467[10:53:41] <missmbob> huh
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1473[10:56:10] <chomwitt> replaced-url
1474[10:56:21] <si_kabayan> Where should I report debdelta?
1475[10:57:03] <si_kabayan> It doesn't work for more about a week now. I see there is alot of failed debdeltas package on its server
1476[10:57:03] <missmbob> chomwitt: so what does apt-get -t jessie-backports install erlang say?
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1478[10:57:37] <chomwitt> thats its installed in its latest version
1479[10:57:50] <PaulePanter> Hi. Should the Debian Installer work on a Kaby Lake laptop?
1480[10:58:01] <PaulePanter> My colleague says the screen stays black. Any workarounds?
1481[10:58:02] <missmbob> chomwitt: you dont like pasting do you?
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1483[10:58:20] <missmbob> PaulePanter: alpha 8 will probably work
1484[10:58:40] <chomwitt> missmbob: :-)
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1486[10:59:33] <missmbob> chomwitt: wasnt meant to be funny
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1490[10:59:42] <chomwitt> replaced-url
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1493[11:00:52] <missmbob> chomwitt: sounds like you should answer jelly's questions.
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1495[11:01:55] <chomwitt> i dont know a thing about pinning. i'll try to look a bit more
1496[11:02:04] <chomwitt> regarding apt conf
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1499[11:03:52] <chomwitt> i should lool in apt.conf.d rigth?
1500[11:03:56] <chomwitt> lool -> look
1501[11:04:30] <PaulePanter> missmbob: I try Grml testing now, and install with debootstrap.
1502[11:04:34] <PaulePanter> missmbob: Thank you.
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1505[11:06:06] <chomwitt> my /etc/apt/preferences.d is empty
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1517[11:09:04] <chomwitt> i found it! i ll try to installa another backport. it deps are pulled then maybe its erlang packaging thing.
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1525[11:12:26] <tehfreakjoe> Where can i get assistance ? debian helpdesk or something..
1526[11:12:31] <tehfreakjoe> for a asus laptop
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1529[11:13:13] <tehfreakjoe> asus says its debian that helps , well last night i was told it was asus that would help ... and im stucked without no clue what to do
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1533[11:15:28] <petemc> tehfreakjoe: you can try asking here, no one from debian is obliged to help you - its all voluntary
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1917[11:49:18] <KARMBIAN> Help.. I keeeeeep getting banned. from linux, is this for just staying on the channel? :-s
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1923[11:50:32] <tehfreakjoe> asus says its debian that helps , well last night i was told it was asus that would help ... and im stucked without no clue what to do
1924[11:50:42] <tehfreakjoe> Where can i get assistance ? debian helpdesk or something..
1925[11:50:49] <tehfreakjoe> email contact wtv
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1927[11:52:23] <themill> tehfreakjoe: you're unlikely to get help if you don't ask a question.
1928[11:53:07] <tehfreakjoe> well..i asked last night nobody answer me
1929[11:53:11] <tehfreakjoe> ^^
1930[11:53:19] <tehfreakjoe> Fn key is dead so are F1..F12
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1933[11:54:00] <themill> Testing them how? Have you got the right keymap?
1934[11:54:30] <tehfreakjoe> i dont get brightness xor backlight from keyb
1935[11:54:39] <tehfreakjoe> none of them work
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1937[11:54:49] <tehfreakjoe> yeh layout is ok right keymap is fine
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1939[11:55:06] <tehfreakjoe> it matches
1940[11:55:06] <themill> If function keys don't work, that suggests not quite right
1941[11:55:24] <tehfreakjoe> iso-8859-15
1942[11:55:26] <tehfreakjoe> latin
1943[11:55:44] <tehfreakjoe> laptop is a gl702vm
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1945[11:56:07] <themill> yeah, iso8859 is unlikely to be right
1946[11:56:22] <themill> (but also not likely to be the problem)
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1948[11:57:40] <tehfreakjoe> what is your sugestion ?
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1950[11:58:37] <themill> Is there a BIOS setting that changes how the Fn keys behave?
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1952[11:59:03] <tehfreakjoe> nop
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1960[12:01:26] <tehfreakjoe> themill, just checked im not on the target pc
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1962[12:01:35] <tehfreakjoe> doesnt have none
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1964[12:01:53] <tehfreakjoe> never eared about such thing
1965[12:01:55] <themill> If you run xev, do you see keycodes from F1, from Fn, from Fn+F1?
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1967[12:02:08] <themill> it's quite common to have some sort of BIOS option that controls how Fn behaves
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1969[12:02:14] <tehfreakjoe> lemme check
1970[12:02:18] <tehfreakjoe> xev?
1971[12:02:23] <themill> yes
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1978[12:03:29] <tehfreakjoe> themill, replaced-url
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1988[12:07:39] <t4nk025> on trying to connect to ##electronics i get 'you must be invited'.how to fix this?
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1995[12:08:47] <DX099> hi all
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1997[12:09:07] <DX099> anyone here has any experience with installation preseed scripts?
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1999[12:09:25] <DX099> It appears to be impossible to install without pulling files from the web
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2005[12:12:27] <missmbob> deepblue: you must have a registered nick
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2031[12:23:44] <ImUs3r> dd if=4g sd card of=8g sd card <—— this is possible?
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2037[12:24:56] <Ke> ImUs3r: what do you mean by being possible?
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2040[12:25:22] <Ke> ImUs3r: targeting devices based on capacity with a very simple command?
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2042[12:25:29] <ImUs3r> i want to copy 4g sd card to 8g sd card
2043[12:25:41] <ImUs3r> this is possible?
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2045[12:26:05] <Ke> it is possible, however GPT backup copy will not be copied, for MBR it's just fine
2046[12:26:35] <Ke> on most systems valid GPT without backup will still work properly
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2048[12:26:46] <ImUs3r> work?
2049[12:26:47] <ImUs3r> ok
2050[12:26:48] <ImUs3r> thanks
2051[12:27:20] <Ke> if you want to enable all the capacity, you are going to have to do resize in addition
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2055[12:28:19] <petn-randall> ImUs3r: You could simply do cp /dev/<4g_card> /dev/<8g_card>, no need for dd.
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2058[12:28:58] <petn-randall> Ke: How is the backup copy not copied? It's on the block device, right?
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2060[12:29:16] <ImUs3r> petn-randall: but it is os sd card
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2062[12:29:23] <tpuser> anyone got any suggestions for using Debian on a ThinkPad T640p with lower resolution? right now I can't get anything other than 2560x1440
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2066[12:29:49] <petn-randall> ImUs3r: If you have booted from that, you can't copy it like that without corrupting the data, as the OS will still be writing to it.
2067[12:29:50] <tpuser> *t460p
2068[12:30:04] <Ke> petn-randall: well it's copied, but the location relative to the end of the disk is incorrect, so it is compeletely useless
2069[12:30:08] <ImUs3r> petn-randall: then i can’t?
2070[12:30:16] <petn-randall> Ke: Ah, right, good point.
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2073[12:30:36] <petn-randall> ImUs3r: You can boot a live system and do it. Or boot in read-only mode and do it.
2074[12:30:50] <Ke> petn-randall: theoretically you can search the whole disk for the table for recovery purposes
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2077[12:31:18] <petn-randall> ImUs3r: Keep in mind though that the partition and filesystem will still be 4 GB, so you won't have won anything yet. You still need to enlarge the partition and filesystem for it to work.
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2079[12:31:42] <ImUs3r> ok thanks petn-randall
2080[12:31:44] <ImUs3r> :)
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2084[12:32:21] <Ke> while doind block copy of a live filesystem is not safe, it does often work for some filesystems like ext4
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2087[12:32:39] <Ke> for btrfs it would almost certainly not
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2091[12:33:44] <Ke> work can include various amounts of data loss
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2093[12:33:57] <Ke> definitely not recommended, unless it's an emergency
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2098[12:36:14] <petn-randall> Ke: It also doesn't work with ext4. Think of databases, it'll never work there.
2099[12:36:43] <petn-randall> Ke: Only safe way would to mount those filesystems ro, then it's safe-ish.
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2103[12:37:11] <Ke> your database might be out of sync, but with slow activity, it might not be corrupt
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2105[12:37:36] <petn-randall> Ke: It'll be 100% corrupt if there have been any inserts/updates during copy.
2106[12:37:52] <Ke> probability is related to database fragmentation and total copy time related to interval of the updates
2107[12:37:57] <Ke> yes
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2113[12:39:33] <introom> how to instal emacs25 on jessie ?
2114[12:39:42] <introom> any repo for that ?
2115[12:39:52] <petn-randall> ,v emacs
2116[12:39:53] <judd> Package: emacs on amd64 -- wheezy: 45.0; stretch: 46.1; sid: 46.1; jessie: 46.1
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2119[12:40:22] <petn-randall> ,v emacs25
2120[12:40:23] <judd> Package: emacs25 on amd64 -- stretch: 25.1+1-2; sid: 25.1+1-2
2121[12:40:30] <petn-randall> ,checkbackport emacs25
2122[12:40:52] <judd> Backporting package emacs25 in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual.
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2124[12:41:08] <petn-randall> introom: You can trivially backport it yourself
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2126[12:41:13] <petn-randall> dpkg: ssb introom
2127[12:41:13] <dpkg> petn-randall: i haven't a clue
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2138[12:45:25] <introom> yeah. that's trivial.
2139[12:45:31] <introom> build-dep should be ok.
2140[12:45:35] <petn-randall> !ssb
2141[12:45:35] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
2142[12:45:41] <petn-randall> introom: ^^^
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2153[12:49:26] <tehfreakjoe> hi
2154[12:49:27] <tehfreakjoe> again
2155[12:49:30] <tehfreakjoe> ./ts3client_linux_amd64: error while loading shared libraries: libc++abi.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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2162[12:51:34] <introom> petn-randall: I /query dpkg, and the typed: help. but there seems no `checkbackport' command.
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2166[12:52:11] <introom> maybe I should query judd
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2173[12:53:45] <petn-randall> introom: yes, it's judd.
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2176[12:54:04] <petn-randall> !tell introom -about ssb
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2179[12:54:35] <relaxed> tehfreakjoe: install libc++abi1
2180[12:54:47] <petn-randall> relaxed: teach a man to fish!
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2183[12:55:37] <petn-randall> tehfreakjoe: 'apt-file search libc++abi.so.1' will show you which package contains that file. You can use it for all kind of file searches.
2184[12:55:37] <relaxed> tehfreakjoe: install apt-file, the run "sudo apt-file update" followed by "apt-file search libc++abi1"
2185[12:55:45] <petn-randall> :)
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2188[12:56:27] <tehfreakjoe> thank you , it worked
2189[12:56:36] <tehfreakjoe> relaxed:
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2191[12:57:06] <relaxed> you're welcome
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2196[12:57:38] <tehfreakjoe> ./ts3client_linux_amd64: symbol lookup error: ./ts3client_linux_amd64: undefined symbol: _ZN9QMetaType22registerNormalizedTypeERK10QByteArrayPFvPvEPFS3_S3_PKvEi6QFlagsINS_8TypeFlagEEPK11QMetaObject
2197[12:57:43] <tehfreakjoe> -.-
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2199[12:57:58] <tehfreakjoe> i dont have a clue what is this now
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2202[12:58:29] <c-c> tehfreakjoe: ts3client?
2203[12:58:58] <vahe> hi all, stopped working the light on the keyboard after reinstalling Debian, any ideas?
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2205[12:59:05] <tpuser> Anyone have suggestions on how to lower my resolution on a ThinkPad T460p? Tried xrandr and adding new modes, but no luck. Impossible to work since it's stuck on HD resolution...
2206[12:59:12] <tehfreakjoe> yes c-c
2207[12:59:28] <tehfreakjoe> vahe: im strugling that as well
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2209[12:59:58] <MaxFrames> hello
2210[13:00:15] <MaxFrames> I am going to ask a few lame questions, please bear with me :)
2211[13:00:48] <petn-randall> MaxFrames: As long as they're related to Debian, and you tried doing your own research first, feel free to ask.
2212[13:01:31] <MaxFrames> I have a debian 7.11 virtual machine acting as (among other things) a dhcp server in lan; now I need to send dhcp logs to a remote syslog server; I understand that I first need to install syslogd on the debian machine, as it's not installed by default?
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2216[13:01:57] <OpenTokix> MaxFrames: rsyslog is default, and you can just create a config for your dhcp-logs
2217[13:02:15] * tehfreakjoe -,-
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2219[13:02:34] <chomwitt> !help
2220[13:02:52] <MaxFrames> ok so basically I will be editing /etc/rsyslog.conf ?
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2228[13:03:40] <OpenTokix> MaxFrames: you probably want to add a config to /etc/rsyslog.d/
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2230[13:03:59] <deepblue> how to get 32-bit compatibility in amd64 systems?
2231[13:04:00] <OpenTokix> MaxFrames: like kernel.dhcp @loghost:514 or something along those lines
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2234[13:05:14] <missmbob> deepblue: replaced-url
2235[13:05:25] <missmbob> deepblue: i already told you this, though :(
2236[13:05:38] <MaxFrames> mm, I see that years ago (long live the #comment lines!) I've already modified /etc/rsyslog.conf to send dhcp logs to /var/log/dhcpd.log
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2240[13:06:30] <deepblue> missmbob: sorry ,i FORGOT YOUR ANSWER
2241[13:06:49] <deepblue> so I had to reask
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2245[13:07:13] <deepblue> missmbob: an thanx
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2247[13:07:32] <MaxFrames> found this replaced-url
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2249[13:07:46] <MaxFrames> OpenTokix: looks like what you suggested
2250[13:07:57] <jim_carry> What is full disk encryption?
2251[13:08:01] <MaxFrames> only: is this /etc/rsyslog.conf or is it /etc/rsyslog.d ?
2252[13:08:26] <introom> I don't quite understand why the emacs info doc is in the non-dfsg
2253[13:08:31] <petn-randall> jim_carry: replaced-url
2254[13:08:58] <OpenTokix> MaxFrames: /etc/rsyslog.conf is handled by dpkg, and your files in /etc/rsyslog.d/ gets included
2255[13:09:08] <petn-randall> jim_carry: It would be great to do some independent research before asking here. If you get stuck or don't understand something, feel free to ask here.
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2259[13:09:53] <mpsag> I have a process running in the background with the PID 12345 which would usually ouput to the terminal. Is there a way to occasionally fetch the output of this long running process without waiting for the next? More precisely this programm is returning progress status information (e.g.: `\rframe= 422 fps= 37 q=28.0 size= 2764kB time=00:00:16.76 bitrate=1350.7kbits/s`)
2260[13:09:56] <jim_carry> I thought someone can teach me in layman terms
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2263[13:10:25] <missmbob> jim_carry: if someone takes out your hard drive and puts it in another computer the data in it can't be read
2264[13:10:56] <jim_carry> okay missmbob thnx, how can I setup on already installed debian?
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2266[13:11:31] <missmbob> jim_carry: layman...it's not easy. the installer itself makes it super easy. you might consider reinstall
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2268[13:12:30] <jim_carry> Okay
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2277[13:13:36] <petn-randall> mpsag: How is it being backgrounded? What kind of process?
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2283[13:15:46] <mpsag> Just `& disown` I think. It's ffmpeg, video conversion. If I run it in the terminal it will output progress status information until conversion is done and then frees the terminal again
2284[13:15:56] <mpsag> petn-randall: ^
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2286[13:16:44] <petn-randall> mpsag: You might want to run in in a screen instead.
2287[13:17:02] <petn-randall> mpsag: AFAIK there's no simple way to re-attach STDOUT to your tty again.
2288[13:17:26] <Shahnaz> whats the best ultrabook for lnx? or is there a website that tests them?
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2290[13:17:58] <mpsag> damn
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2292[13:21:41] <petn-randall> mpsag: This might help, but it's hacky: replaced-url
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2307[13:30:06] <introom> petn-randall: I did't anticipate compiling emacs25-nox would take that long.
2308[13:30:13] <introom> looks like I should go to sid.
2309[13:30:40] <petn-randall> introom: Don't upgrade to sid unless you're willing to make some sacrifices.
2310[13:30:56] <introom> what sacrifices?
2311[13:31:22] <petn-randall> introom: sid only gets minimal testing and often breaks in horrible ways. Just the other day it caused X11 to fail to start, sometimes it corrupts your data or kick your dog.
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2313[13:31:36] <introom> I am wondering if debian has ppa relevants. emacs25 is so common.
2314[13:31:47] <introom> yeah. that's my concern.
2315[13:32:28] <petn-randall> introom: Well, most of the time it's in jessie-backports. If that fails you backport yourself. That's the price you pay if you want shiny new stuff on a well-tested system.
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2319[13:35:30] <missmbob> introom: i've backported emacs25 if you want to use my debs
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2322[13:36:36] <missmbob> introom: replaced-url
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2333[13:40:11] <introom> missmbob: how to install? click and download the deb? and dpkg -i ?
2334[13:40:35] <missmbob> introom: multiple debs, but yes.
2335[13:40:54] <missmbob> introom: you should put them in a single folder and dpkg -i *.deb
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2337[13:41:27] <missmbob> then maybe apt-get -f install depending on what you currently have installed
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2344[13:44:34] <introom> I did what `ssb' told me. The package name is emacs25-nox. Why I now have debs like emacs25_25.1+1-2.deb, looks like it's for gui.. Seems I unnecessarily builds extra debs.
2345[13:44:36] <introom> replaced-url
2346[13:44:40] <introom> ^^
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2350[13:45:10] <missmbob> introom: using ssb method creates all binary packages that the source package can create
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2354[13:45:45] <Cloudwalker42> hello folks, could you olease help me. Can u tell me how its possible to install a 32BIT .deb package on a 64BIT debian environment ?
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2356[13:46:00] <petn-randall> introom: yes, just 'dpkg -i' the ones you're interested in, then fix up with apt-get install -f.
2357[13:46:05] <missmbob> Cloudwalker42: are you seriously the same person and just keep coming back?
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2359[13:46:30] <petn-randall> dpkg: multiarch Cloudwalker42
2360[13:46:30] <dpkg> petn-randall: no idea
2361[13:46:35] <Cloudwalker42> missmbob: i visited this chatroom maybe several monts ago
2362[13:46:38] <petn-randall> dpkg: multiarch
2363[13:46:38] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
2364[13:46:40] <missmbob> Cloudwalker42: replaced-url
2365[13:46:41] <petn-randall> Cloudwalker42: ^^^
2366[13:47:30] <Cloudwalker42> thx at all .... wtf happend here :D
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2379[13:49:50] <introom> sudo dpkg -i emacs25-nox_25.1+1-2_amd64.deb tells me emacs25-nox depends on emacs25-bin-common (= 25.1+1-2); however:
2380[13:49:52] <introom> Package emacs25-bin-common is not installed.y
2381[13:50:02] <introom> so I have to manually dpkg -i that first ?
2382[13:50:15] <missmbob> introom: you can. or dpkg -i *.deb as you were told.
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2384[13:50:39] <missmbob> and that'll output other problems. then apt-get -f install
2385[13:51:04] <introom> aha. i misunderstand the meaning of * here.
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2392[13:52:48] <introom> missmbob: works ok.
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2396[13:53:41] <introom> missmbob: but doesn't that mean I installed all the debs ?
2397[13:54:13] <missmbob> that ssb for emacs created
2398[13:54:42] <missmbob> apt-get -f install just installs their run deps
2399[13:54:43] <introom> missmbob: and they are all required for the PKG which I specified via apt-get -b source PKG ?
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2404[13:55:11] <missmbob> for all the features, yes
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2406[13:55:35] <introom> ok. then those debs are not un-necessary. looks like they are depedencies.
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2409[13:55:57] <missmbob> correct
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2411[13:56:31] <introom> missmbob: normally, for a pc, how long will it take to build emacs-nox ?
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2415[13:57:23] <missmbob> introom: i have no real concept. i throw builds on a crazy fast work server
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2418[13:57:58] <introom> it took me 12 minuts. dunno if that's too long.
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2435[14:02:28] <introom> also, does ,checkbackports ensure the run time deps?
2436[14:02:33] <introom> or simply build time deps ?
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2438[14:04:09] <missmbob> both
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2446[14:06:13] <eugenmayer> considering this line apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://p80.pool.sks-keyservers.net:80 --recv-keys 58118E89F3A912897C070ADBF76221572C52 … how would i be able to find this key using replaced-url
2447[14:06:16] <introom> but aptitude build-dep only checks compile time deps, what's the command for run time dpes ?
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2455[14:09:27] <missmbob> introom: it's not a command. it's specified in debian/control file in source package
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2461[14:12:50] <introom> I check with 'aptitude search emacs'. the gtk version is also installed. so apt-get -b source emacs25-nox did build the deb for the gui version. What's worse, I'd suspect `aptitude builde-dep emacs25-nox' also installed the deps for `emacs25'
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2464[14:13:18] <missmbob> eugenmayer: that's not a valid key known to that server but apt-key adv --keyserver replaced-url
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2466[14:14:11] <missmbob> introom: it builds all packages that the source package can build (which i said). gui version shares source package, so yes, it built it
2467[14:14:31] <missmbob> introom: yes. it's all based on source package
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2475[14:16:29] <introom> yeah.
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2478[14:16:45] <introom> so I have to do that on a separate machine.
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2480[14:17:02] <introom> otherwise it introduces too much unnecessary packages.
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2483[14:17:19] <missmbob> you can just install whatever packages you need instead of all it creates
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2486[14:17:38] <missmbob> but you need all build-deps, even gui ones, if the source requires it
2487[14:17:46] <ImUs3r> W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock <— what’s wrong?
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2489[14:18:05] <introom> missmbob: regardding the last step, sudo dpkg -i *.deb, indeed it should be sudo dpkg -i some_concrete_pkgname.deb
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2491[14:18:23] <missmbob> introom: if you're certain of what you dont want, sure.
2492[14:18:32] <introom> but the pain is I have to guess the dependencies of the debs.
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2494[14:20:06] <introom> is it possible to tell dpkg, I have this many debs, say, specifying *.debs, and also tell what the deb I want to install, and let dpkg figure out what dependent debs to install among *.debs ?
2495[14:20:26] <eugenmayer> missmbob: not a real key, what do you mean by that?
2496[14:20:38] <eugenmayer> misiek200m: its part of this documentation replaced-url
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2501[14:21:12] <missmbob> introom: no
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2504[14:22:09] <missmbob> eugenmayer: the key you pasted and the key in that doc are different
2505[14:22:22] <missmbob> eugenmayer: the one you pasted isn't a real key. the one in the doc is
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2511[14:25:53] <HJfFun> hello there, what can cause a segmentation fault with usage of hwclock ?? a libc6 pb ?
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2542[14:39:10] <Cloudwalker42> Hey Folks, I installed a .deb 32bit package under a 64bit debian Jessie. This works fine for me. The problem is that the installed package need two more i386 packages which also has dependencies. Normally I would fire an apt-get install -f but if I want to install all of the dependencies several packages will be removed.
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2553[14:43:24] <jelly> dpkg, tell Cloudwalker42 about basic apt troubleshooting
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2557[14:43:42] <eugenmayer> missmbob: trying replaced-url
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2582[14:58:56] <yermjobs331> hello
2583[14:59:09] <halloLeut> hi
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2585[14:59:35] <yermjobs331> where i can download the old version of debian? example (debian 1, debian 2)
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2599[15:05:15] <asarch> What are the differences between the packages xen-utils, xen-system and xen-hypervisor?
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2614[15:09:15] <way2go> hey guys, i'm not able to boot Jessie, it says kernel panic when it starts to boot
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2633[15:12:47] <Hestben> way2go: And what was the error message?
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2645[15:14:43] <way2go> the message is kernel panic
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2648[15:15:17] <Hestben> way2go: And nothing more? Or has it scrolled everything away?
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2651[15:15:39] <way2go> unable to mount root fs
2652[15:15:41] <way2go> not syncing
2653[15:15:46] <Hestben> way2go: did you screw around with your hard drives changing cables and stuff?
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2655[15:16:10] <tremon> way2go: are you running without initramfs?
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2657[15:16:25] <way2go> no, i didn't screw it
2658[15:16:29] <way2go> let me see
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2661[15:16:44] <way2go> the one i got this error with is debiandog
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2663[15:17:08] <way2go> is kind of a puppy linux version of debian made from the livecd
2664[15:17:11] <tremon> if it can't find your rootfs, then you should be dropped to a shell in the initramfs. The only reason the kernel would panic instead is if you're not using an initramfs
2665[15:17:31] <HJfFun> hello there, what can cause a segmentation fault with usage of hwclock ?? a libc6 pb ?
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2668[15:18:19] <tremon> HJfFun: anything can cause a segfault. bad ram, disk corruption, bad library...
2669[15:18:29] <Hestben> way2go: doesn't it say where it couldn't find the root fs, like a /dev/sdxx?
2670[15:18:47] <way2go> hd 2,0
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2672[15:19:15] <Hestben> way2go: And you didn't move any hard drives?
2673[15:19:25] <HJfFun> tremo, ok thx
2674[15:19:30] <way2go> i didn't
2675[15:19:38] <Hestben> way2go: and didn't move or change partitions?
2676[15:19:43] <way2go> no
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2679[15:19:51] <way2go> it is supposed to run from ram
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2682[15:20:05] <Hestben> way2go: That is strange
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2685[15:20:20] <Hestben> way2go: So, it is a live-cd?
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2687[15:20:48] <way2go> yes, it is a modified version of a live cd so you can frugal install it, have a savefile and so
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2689[15:21:04] <Hestben> way2go: OK, who did create the live-cd?
2690[15:21:08] <tremon> way2go: maybe you can try asking #debian-live on OFTC for help. There's many ways to create a debian live-cd but it's probably not something many of us here have played with
2691[15:21:27] <Hestben> tremon: good call
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2696[15:22:01] <way2go> replaced-url
2697[15:22:05] <way2go> this is the project
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2699[15:22:37] <way2go> that's a nice idea tremon, i'll take a look there too!
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2713[15:31:50] <way2go> well, it seems that the guys are not there
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2733[15:39:04] <way2go> i guess i must edit the boot options
2734[15:39:14] <way2go> the live.cfg is like this label sysvinit Porteus in RAM changes=/changes.dat
2735[15:39:15] <way2go> kernel /live/vmlinuz1
2736[15:39:15] <way2go> append initrd=/live/initrd1.xz noauto from=/ copy2ram changes=/changes.dat
2737[15:39:15] <way2go> label sysvinit Porteus Always Fresh
2738[15:39:15] <way2go> kernel /live/vmlinuz1
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2740[15:39:41] <rumoxingme> 68.191.57.225
2741[15:39:43] <rumoxingme> 14:12:47 Hestben | way2go: And what was the error message?
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2743[15:40:17] <jmp_> lol
2744[15:40:27] <way2go> well
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2746[15:41:32] <jmp_> welcome back mate
2747[15:41:33] <jmp_> xD
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2751[15:42:58] <Gloomy> Hi :)
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2757[15:44:01] <Gloomy> I just took over a debian machine that acts router/firewall/dns server and I need to make some modifications to the firewall settings
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2761[15:44:46] <Gloomy> since I'm quite unexperienced I'm a bit afraid of breaking everything :D atm I'm trying to understand how the thing is configured.
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2763[15:45:43] <Gloomy> The whole thing "configures itself" automatically on startup (i know it because it gets back to working after power failure) so I figured If I find what the startup scripts are I should understand what's going on.
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2765[15:45:55] <Gloomy> Is there somewhere else than init.d that I should look in?
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2768[15:46:32] <OpenTokix> Gloomy: Start by looking in /etc/init.d called firewall or gateway, you can also grep for iptables in that folder. - You might also have script in /etc/network/interfaces and/or /etc/rc.local (This is where I would start to look)
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2770[15:47:28] <Gloomy> OpenTokix Thanks. Will start by that
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2786[15:56:27] <Cheshired> hi
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2789[15:57:44] <Cheshired> I created a package an added a line such as myproject/systemd/* etc/systemd/system/ in debian/install but the files aren't copied, can anyone tell me why ?
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2825[16:10:09] <thurstylark1> Trying to build a debian package for netdata using these instructions: replaced-url
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2827[16:11:10] <OpenTokix> thurstylark1: Create a changelog file
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2832[16:13:28] <Gloomy> Hey again :) so I have found a file called xtrafire.fw which /seems/ to be the configuration for the firewall, however google doesn't find anything for that name so I guess it's custom made by some local company. Could anyone give a look at it and tell me if it looks like something known so that I can read a bit about it?
2833[16:13:30] <Gloomy> replaced-url
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2835[16:14:32] <Ke> Gloomy: it's a shell script, what part is unclear?
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2842[16:15:46] <Gloomy> so basically just a really long script that sets up all the iptables rules? nothing more to it?
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2844[16:16:13] <Gloomy> Its not the output of some other firewall-configuration program or something?
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2846[16:16:34] <OpenTokix> Gloomy: might be, but usually not
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2848[16:17:01] <OpenTokix> Gloomy: looks pretty standard, apart from very verbose
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2851[16:17:47] <Gloomy> So what do I google to get better understanding of how it works/how to tweak it? :)
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2853[16:18:23] <Ke> Gloomy: perhaps generator like that should output a comment header stating that it has been generated by ~
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2856[16:19:19] <Ke> also it has builtin conditionals, which might not have been necessary, if it were already generated by generator that knows all the settings
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2858[16:19:37] <OpenTokix> Gloomy: Read all the comments, they are very good - and then you will have a good understanding of what it does.
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2860[16:19:51] <Gloomy> Yes sounds right. But I also think it's weird that the previous admin wrote all that stuff just for this building. maybe it's just a standard file they use in that company.
2861[16:19:51] <thurstylark1> There's seriously no way to skip the changelog?
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2863[16:20:18] <OpenTokix> thurstylark1: afaik it can be empty
2864[16:20:37] <Gloomy> allright then, 1600 lines to go :-D
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2867[16:20:56] <OpenTokix> Gloomy: Better to read your actual firewall, then to read some dumb thing on stack exchange
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2869[16:21:49] <thurstylark1> OpenTokix: replaced-url
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2871[16:22:08] <OpenTokix> thurstylark1: then it has to be correct, sorry for that.
2872[16:22:11] <Gloomy> True but I have 0 experience with network administration so maybe I should read a bit on how it works before
2873[16:22:21] <thurstylark1> how annoying
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2883[16:27:02] <mingdao> Gloomy: maybe /join #Netfilter at some point ... and replaced-url
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2886[16:28:28] <Gloomy> thx, will do
2887[16:29:26] <Cheshired> someone for a question about packaging and systemd?
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2894[16:32:52] <way2go> the exact error i got when i try to boot jessie is kernel panic-not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0)
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2932[16:44:40] <ZeroBeholder> So, I may be breaking an unwritten rule by posting to SO, coming here giving a brief synopsis, and then posting a link-- but I'm going to give it a go. I want to set environment variables that persist across reboots. I want to expose those environment variables to PHP on a webserver. My scripted initialization of the node will change and so will the web application due to testing the...
2933[16:44:42] <ZeroBeholder> ...variables exposed.
2934[16:45:17] <ZeroBeholder> Here is the link for anyone that wants a hard earned shot at a paltry amount of points (that don't mean anything best I can tell). replaced-url
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2987[17:05:55] <brontosaurusrex> If I use httpredir in sources.list, is there a way to blacklist certain specific servers?
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2989[17:06:41] <somiaj> brontosaurusrex: why do you want to do that? It is supose to only redirect to healthy mirrors
2990[17:06:57] <somiaj> brontosaurusrex: there is also the new deb.debian.org redirector
2991[17:07:12] <greycat> "supposed to" is not "does"
2992[17:07:14] <somiaj> oh that only seems to work with stretch and later apt though.
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2995[17:08:02] <brontosaurusrex> somiaj, so basically the solution is to replace httpredir with specific mirror?
2996[17:08:08] <brontosaurusrex> with Jessie i mean
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3001[17:10:36] <somiaj> brontosaurusrex: correct, if you know a good mirror just use that. I personally haven't had much issue with httpredir.debian.net, but as a redirector it isn't always flawless. Using a speicific mirror is one way around it
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3003[17:10:48] <brontosaurusrex> Ok, thanks.
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3006[17:11:24] <greycat> I still just continue using replaced-url
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3015[17:16:45] <sssolid> I am having an issue binding a few directories. The error message is returning special device does not exist. The same process works for all but a few directories. Any help would be appreciated, replaced-url
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3019[17:16:59] <HaGGaRx> hi people
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3045[17:23:43] <fiveflowerzz> I'd like to test a viewsite from the point of view of a user which has port 80 and 443 open only. How to do that from Debian?
3046[17:23:53] <fiveflowerzz> *to view a website
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3049[17:25:08] <greycat> Run a web browser. Type the URL into the URL bar.
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3053[17:26:08] <fiveflowerzz> greycat: I'm not sure if my reverse proxy works well etc.
3054[17:26:18] <fiveflowerzz> so I suspect my website uses another port than 80 and 443
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3056[17:26:27] <greycat> Why do you need a reverse proxy or whatever other bullshit you are talking about to view a web site?
3057[17:26:27] <fiveflowerzz> and so it's possible that some users will be blocked
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3059[17:26:42] <fiveflowerzz> I have a website
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3062[17:26:59] <fiveflowerzz> and I would like to see it from the point of view of someone who has only 80 / 443 port access
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3065[17:27:22] <greycat> Does your web site use http or https? Is it on a standard port?
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3067[17:27:39] <monsune> do you have a clue if there is any way to run a single-core code on multiple cores? or other method? like cluster maybe or just anything to let me split that cpu-heavy code on multiple nodes?
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3070[17:28:05] <Braemar> @fiveflowerzz "netstat -tulpn" | grep apache" on your webserver
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3072[17:28:18] <teraflops> fiveflowerzz: same as you even from replaced-url
3073[17:28:28] <petn-randall> monsune: That's something the programmer of that program has to do.
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3075[17:28:39] <greycat> If your web site runs on port 80 then WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO? What do you think is going to go wrong?
3076[17:28:47] <monsune> petn-randall and no other way?
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3082[17:29:36] <fiveflowerzz> My website is on a VPS
3083[17:29:38] <fiveflowerzz> not local
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3085[17:29:41] <fiveflowerzz> a distant VPS
3086[17:29:43] <brontosaurusrex> monsune, run multiple in parallel (if there are multiple tasks)
3087[17:30:02] <fiveflowerzz> which listens on port 7310
3088[17:30:05] <greycat> fiveflowerzz: so fucking what? WHAT PORT DOES IT LISTEN ON
3089[17:30:18] <fiveflowerzz> but my domain provider redirects all from 7310 to 80
3090[17:30:20] <greycat> Oh. Then a user who can't talk to port 7310 WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SEE IT. Period. have a nice life.
3091[17:30:26] <greycat> ...
3092[17:30:27] <fiveflowerzz> ...
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3095[17:30:31] <fiveflowerzz> but my domain provider redirects all from 7310 to 80
3096[17:30:32] <greycat> *plonk*
3097[17:30:41] <brontosaurusrex> monsune, like: find . -type f -iname "*.mp4" | parallel --gnu durtc | sort -k2
3098[17:30:46] <fiveflowerzz> but I'm not sure if it's a nice real redirection
3099[17:30:50] * greycat just keeps ignoring everyone until the agony stops
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3101[17:31:29] <fiveflowerzz> or just a HTTP 301 redirection
3102[17:31:38] <fiveflowerzz> or something else which I don't know...
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3105[17:31:52] <monsune> brontosaurusrex yeah i have just recently discovered parallel and i love it :) but in this case it's not about running another instance of the binary, it's about making it use more cores because it is maxing out 1 core while all the rest is idling...
3106[17:32:16] <fiveflowerzz> So my question is (sorry if you think my question is bad) : how to mimic having a limited access to 80 and 443 only?
3107[17:32:42] <greycat> By the way, when you BREAK A SENTENCE INTO MULTIPLE LINES, then people will respond to your partial sentences, and it's MORE ANNOYING THAN YOU CAN POSSIBLY IMAGINE when we type and answer to part 1 and then you provide part 2 which contradicts the answer to part 1, and so on and so on and so fucking on and on and on
3108[17:32:56] <fiveflowerzz> greycat : I don't see why you act like this. Was I rude? No. Was I unpolite? No. Do I have limited knowledge about this? Yes, that's why I'm asking. What's the problem now?
3109[17:33:33] <fiveflowerzz> the only problem I can see is you talking loud with capital letters... If you don't want to answer, don't, but please let other people do.
3110[17:33:43] <greycat> monsune: The program ITSELF has to be rewritten to use algorithms that can take advantage of multiple threads. This is not a thing you throw a stupid shell tool at.
3111[17:34:11] <greycat> It often means rewriting the entire application from scratch.
3112[17:34:22] <monsune> greycat so basically not possible to force cpu or kernel? that's what i was hoping for
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3114[17:34:41] <monsune> they don't want to :/
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3125[17:39:04] <Guest78268> I have a problem running openbox. When I start an installed program (downloaded tar with executable in it) I can see the gui as a root but not as a non-root user. Chmod is good and strace has the same outputs for root and non-root so I have no idea anymore why I cant see the program
3126[17:39:40] <monsune> do i have a problem there? RX packets:1135192079 errors:0 dropped:10730 overruns:0 frame:0
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3128[17:40:01] <monsune> i mean that amount of dropped
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3133[17:40:45] <thxer> Hi guys
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3135[17:40:58] <monsune> hello thxer
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3137[17:41:26] <thxer> I need to mount a remote folder . This remote folder will be used a samba root folder. I have to mount it with : acl, user_xattr options.
3138[17:41:39] <thxer> But sshfs, nfs semms to not support thaht
3139[17:41:41] <thxer> that
3140[17:41:46] <thxer> have you got a idea ?
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3146[17:42:59] <thxer> Wich kind of "mount" (cifs , sshfs, nfs ...) i have to use for mapped a remote share in my fstab
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3151[17:45:14] <tremon> thxer: cifs
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3153[17:46:10] <petn-randall> monsune: Do you see a problem?
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3156[17:47:23] <thxer> tremon , okey i use it but user_xattr and acl options don't exsist
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3162[17:48:52] <tremon> that's correct
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3165[17:49:27] <thxer> it's implicit ?
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3168[17:50:07] <tremon> yup, see man mount.cifs. There are options noacl and nouser_xattr, but the default is to have them enabled if the server supports it
3169[17:50:27] <thxer> okey i read it, but i was not sure
3170[17:50:31] <thxer> thank's a lot :)
3171[17:50:35] <zamba> how can i remove everything X-related on a machine?
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3175[17:51:22] <tremon> however I agree that only providing negative options does not follow the principle of least surprise
3176[17:51:22] <c-c> zamba: apt-get purge?
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3178[17:51:42] <greycat> Find the package that all of the X libs depend on (probably something with "common" in the name) and remove that.
3179[17:51:49] <tremon> zamba: X as in "X server", or X as in "any random package"
3180[17:51:51] <greycat> !remove x
3181[17:51:51] <dpkg> rumour has it, remove x is "aptitude remove x11-common" will remove X. Use "purge" instead of remove if you also want to remove X's configuration.
3182[17:52:04] <greycat> That factoid might be quite old....
3183[17:52:11] <nohitall> hi guys, I am trying to et java working in firefox, I am on jessie, I installed openjdk7 and 8 but with both I am missing the libnpjp2.so file that ever tutorial is talking about. Anybody got an idea?
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3207[17:59:15] <TomTomTo1> ,i icedtea-plugin
3208[17:59:16] <judd> Package icedtea-plugin (web, extra) in jessie/amd64: web browser plugin to execute Java applets (dependency package). Version: 1.5.3-1; Size: 8.5k; Installed: 35k; Homepage: replaced-url
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3210[17:59:30] <TomTomTo1> that was the right thing iirc.
3211[17:59:35] <thxer> tremon , however I agree that only providing negative options does not follow the principle of least surprise // sure
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3219[18:02:08] <zamba> dpkg -l | grep GNOME
3220[18:02:08] <dpkg> No packages found matching | grep GNOME
3221[18:02:11] <zamba> could work
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3225[18:02:43] <greycat> I thought you wanted to remove X, not GNOME.
3226[18:02:46] <greycat> !remove gnome
3227[18:02:46] <dpkg> To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
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3229[18:02:52] <greycat> Nobody knows how to remove gnome 3.x yet.
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3233[18:03:16] <n4dir> would be better if nobody knew how to install it ...
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3235[18:03:34] <greycat> It's also helpful if you actually ask the question you want answered.
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3241[18:06:07] <ninjaturtle> Hello, is it possible to slipstream the non-free firmware blob from debian.org into a stable xfce cd install image? I know there is an image with the blob already in it, but AFAIK it doesn't have an xfce variant, which is what I need
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3248[18:07:10] <greycat> Why do you need an "xfce variant"? Can't you just select that in the task selection dialog at the end?
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3250[18:07:33] <ninjaturtle> um...so why is there an xfce image at all?
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3257[18:08:20] <TomTomTo1> for people who don't have a working connection during installation but want xfce.
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3260[18:09:17] <ninjaturtle> so if I get a vanilla iso, and select xfce for a DE, the install will be identical to that of the xfce image?
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3262[18:09:38] <teraflops> affirmative
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3273[18:12:23] <ninjaturtle> hmm ok thanks, incidentally, if I put the blob on a usb stick and direct the installer to that during install, is it going to be any different from installing from the firmware-inlined image?
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3276[18:12:53] <n4dir> and what would be the advantage of doing so? for the lulz?
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3280[18:13:57] <ninjaturtle> because I already downloaded the xfce image and I'm looking at another half-hour of downloading to get a new image with the firmware inlined
3281[18:13:58] <n4dir> btw: to me it looks as if the debian-installer is the same on any iso (including the net-iso). Hence what you get depends on the choices you make during installation, not on the iso (firmware obviously being an exception)
3282[18:14:24] <TomTomTo1> ninjaturtle: you can do that. replaced-url
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3288[18:16:18] <ninjaturtle> can the installer read from ntfs volumes?
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3290[18:16:51] <TomTomTo1> fat is recommended.
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3306[18:21:47] <ninjaturtle> ok everyone, thanks for all the help, later
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3340[18:37:23] <armin> anyone a clue why my system shuts down when i do a "reboot"? i can easily switch the machine on again by hitting the power button, but i would love to be able to reboot my machine without physical access, like we did for decades. i reckon something systemd-related?
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3343[18:39:18] <petn-randall> armin: What makes you think it has to do with systemd?
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3349[18:40:37] <centrx> armin: That's often something with your BIOS or machine. For example, when I shut down my Debian VM, I have to use "halt -p" to have it actually shut off
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3355[18:41:26] <k3rn3lwalk3r> apt-key list not showing id
3356[18:42:01] <k3rn3lwalk3r> pub rsa4096 2015-07-14 [SCEA]
3357[18:42:01] <k3rn3lwalk3r> 5811 8E89 F3A9 1289 7C07 0ADB F762 2157 2C52 609D
3358[18:42:01] <k3rn3lwalk3r> uid [ unknown] Docker Release Tool (releasedocker) <docker@docker.com>
3359[18:42:12] <k3rn3lwalk3r> how can i get id?
3360[18:42:20] <k3rn3lwalk3r> i want to remove a key
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3364[18:43:06] <toruvinn> actually i had similar problem
3365[18:43:10] <toruvinn> armin, try shutdown -r 0
3366[18:43:26] <toruvinn> and yeah it's since systemd.
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3370[18:44:06] <k3rn3lwalk3r> <toruvinn> u replied me?
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3372[18:44:38] <toruvinn> k3rn3lwalk3r, no, talking to armin / petn-randall / centrx.
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3374[18:45:00] <k3rn3lwalk3r> ok
3375[18:45:26] <n4dir> i added this to ~/.profile: if [ -z "$SSH_AUTH_SOCK" ] ; then eval `ssh-agent -s`; ssh-add ~/.ssh/bar_rsa; ssh-add ~/.ssh/bar_rsa; fi
3376[18:45:51] <centrx> k3rn3lwalk3r: search online for [apt-key remove key] ?
3377[18:45:54] <toruvinn> i could swear i've seen a stackoverflow page related to that "System halted" on reboot since systemd.
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3379[18:46:00] <n4dir> which seems to work. But if i open another tty-terminal, it seems to get excuted again. Is there a way around that ?
3380[18:46:16] <greycat> n4dir: how would the second console know what the SSH_AUTH_SOCK is from the first console?
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3382[18:46:41] <greycat> Of course you could always add a check that skips it if you're not on /dev/tty1.
3383[18:46:59] <greycat> That would skip launching the second agent, but still wouldn't make tty2 know about tty1's agent.
3384[18:47:02] <k3rn3lwalk3r> <centrx> apt-key del <keyid> needs id
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3386[18:47:13] <toruvinn> n4dir, ah the good old "do not reexecute ssh-agent" thing. i'm doing it a slightly different way. gimme a sec.
3387[18:47:14] <n4dir> greycat: i have hoped using -a and the value of /tmp/ssh-R9XyUs3G7E2F/agent.1888 might work ?
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3389[18:48:07] <n4dir> greycat: a test if not on tty1 would suffice for my needs, i guess (though being able to ssh back and forth from tty2 without entering password sure would be nice)
3390[18:48:23] <k3rn3lwalk3r> apt-key list showing keys + algo+ finger but not id which i should pass to apt-key del
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3392[18:48:26] <toruvinn> n4dir, replaced-url
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3394[18:48:45] <n4dir> toruvinn: thanks, let me look at it
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3396[18:48:56] <toruvinn> n4dir, sure, i'm letting you look at it. ;^)
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3398[18:49:29] <centrx> weird
3399[18:49:52] <centrx> k3rn3lwalk3r: This might be the answer: replaced-url
3400[18:50:29] <toruvinn> n4dir, of course it's still not safe against multiuser environments, cause what happens if your old PID refers someone else's ssh-agent (you'd need to check the process' ownership too), but meh, it's an overkill already probably anyway.
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3405[18:51:47] <n4dir> no multi-user here.
3406[18:52:40] <toruvinn> n4dir, then you're free to modify that for your needs and use it. it's licensed under Praise Kek License. you just need to Praise Kek.
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3409[18:53:21] <armin> toruvinn: also hangs on a reboot. no idea when this behaviour was introduced, but seems to be not related to bios things here...
3410[18:53:40] <toruvinn> armin, did you upgrade your kernel or something?
3411[18:53:47] <armin> toruvinn: when that happens, HDD LED is blinking, power and wifi LEDs are on.
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3413[18:54:17] <toruvinn> armin, hdd led blinking? this would be enough to get me worried. why would it blink if system's halted?
3414[18:54:19] <armin> toruvinn: very likely yes, somewhen within the last weeks. this is my office notebook which always is in the docking station (i don't take this out of the docking-station ever).
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3416[18:54:39] <armin> toruvinn: the system is not halted i think. i did a reboot, not a shutdown.
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3418[18:54:52] <k3rn3lwalk3r> centrx thanks bro it worked (Y)
3419[18:54:53] <toruvinn> armin, you dont know what's on the screen then?
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3421[18:55:04] <armin> toruvinn: on the screen!? o.O
3422[18:55:05] <n4dir> Just to be clear: i can't check if there is any /tmp/ssh-*/agent* to be found, and if there is, attach to it?
3423[18:55:11] <toruvinn> armin, i'd seriously check :-P if hdd led's blinking, isn't it still reading/writing? ;-P
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3427[18:55:32] <armin> toruvinn: it blinks very repetitive, with a 1sec on/off phase, each.
3428[18:55:46] <armin> toruvinn: that's definitely not indicating reads/writes i think.
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3430[18:56:12] <armin> "systemd - invalidating everything you know about linux since 2006"
3431[18:56:26] <armin> going home, thanks a lot for your help, though. ;)
3432[18:56:36] <n4dir> same here, regarding systemd ... :-(
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3440[18:56:58] <toruvinn> armin, honestly, i'd try to look at the screen ;-P if it says System halted. then you may be missing some acpi modules or whatever.
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3443[18:57:33] <toruvinn> armin, however as I said, i've read about people having this problem with systemd. perhaps it was halt not shutting down (but just "freezing" on "System halted."), but shutdown -h 0 working fine.
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3446[18:57:41] <toruvinn> weird thing, this systemd. i wish it never happened.
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3451[18:58:50] <toruvinn> n4dir, also regarding /tmp/... - would probably work too, since you have pid there too. you'd just need to setup your environment according to that. just look what your ssh-agent returns. it's SSH_AUTH_SOCK and SSH_AGENT_PID.
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3457[19:00:06] <n4dir> toruvinn: thanks again. this is very confusing to me. And the websearches don't make it any better.
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3462[19:01:29] <n4dir> ok, a last one, but i i start ssh-agent during login after boot, tty, ssh-add too, both via .profile, then after startx i have the ssh-keys available in gui, no matter what, right? (seems to be so, just want to be sure)
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3466[19:02:39] <toruvinn> n4dir, as long as ssh-agent is working in the background and you have right SSH_AUTH_SOCK+SSH_AGENT_PID setup pointing to it, ssh should be able to connect to it and get your keys from there.
3467[19:03:55] <n4dir> well: an example. I got a terminal open in gui and i do the ssh-agent and ssh-add voodoo. I open a tab or a different terminal, no more ssh-keys. That was the original problem
3468[19:04:08] <n4dir> - .profile seems to solve that problem
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3470[19:04:55] <toruvinn> n4dir, because in another terminal you did not have SSH_AUTH_SOCK+SSH_AGENT_PID. even worse, you probably re-ran ssh-agent (if your above paste was the right code you used) having new ssh-agent instance with each run. and of course only the first one had your key.
3471[19:05:38] <toruvinn> tl;dr: you run ssh-agent once, new shell instances just need right SSH_AUTH_SOCK+SSH_AGENT_PID values.
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3477[19:07:45] <n4dir> the "just " is funny. doesn't seem that easy ....
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3479[19:08:52] <mark91> hi. i'm probably not going to ask this question correctly, but what is debian's public key?
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3482[19:10:13] <mark91> i see cd signing keys but is there a master key used to validate them?
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3496[19:13:01] <TomTomTo1> you can either install the debian keyring or fetch the right key from a keyserver like keyring.debian.org
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3506[19:17:38] <mark91> how can i install the debian keyring?
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3512[19:18:19] <centrx> mark91: apt-get install debian-keyring
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3521[19:21:08] <armin> toruvinn: just got home and read your messages. thanks for pointing that out. the screen is blank though (backlight is off) in such a case. i'm sure i didn't touch logind.conf or system.conf, too.
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3535[19:24:06] <mark91> thank you centrx
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3540[19:25:12] <mark91> i am still confused. i am trying to verify an iso and "gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS" returns warning that the key is not certified with a trusted signature
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3543[19:26:12] <mark91> primary key fingerprint is listed DF9B9C49EAA9298432589D76DA87E80D6294BE9B
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3545[19:26:43] <mark91> which matches one of the Debian CD signing keys listed on replaced-url
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3547[19:26:52] <greycat> If the signature matches, but your key isn't known to be trusted, then you get that warning.
3548[19:27:18] <petn-randall> mark91: I's because there is no direct trust path between your key and the CD signing key.
3549[19:27:23] <petn-randall> +t
3550[19:27:44] <mark91> my question is...is there a "master" public key that can confirm that the DF9B9C49EAA9298432589D76DA87E80D6294BE9B fingerprint is valid?
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3553[19:28:18] <petn-randall> mark91: That is the fingerprint of the public key ...
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3555[19:28:24] * greycat ... is not rested enough to explain how trust works.
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3558[19:28:38] <mark91> sorry to ask a complicated question
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3560[19:29:08] <mark91> i thought there was a master key that we can grant ultimate trust and then cd signing keys would be checked against them?
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3562[19:29:33] <greycat> How would YOUR computer trust this "master key"? Where did it come from? How did it get here?
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3566[19:30:30] <mark91> i thought there would be one primary public key that sticks around for many years and then shorter-lived cd signing keys
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3569[19:30:51] <greycat> Maybe there is. But why do you believe that the key you have in front of you right now is this "master key"?
3570[19:31:01] <mark91> greycat: i don't
3571[19:31:06] <greycat> Thus, the warning.
3572[19:31:22] <greycat> "It matches, but you didn't prove that this key is the right one."
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3575[19:31:42] <mark91> greycat: i'm asking if there is one, and where to find it, assign it trust, and then that would enable me to trust shorter-lived cd signing keys
3576[19:31:47] <petn-randall> mark91: That's not how web of trust works, there's no hierarchy like with TLS certificates.
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3578[19:32:03] <nkuttler> mark91: web of trust works through people you trust
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3580[19:32:15] <nkuttler> so, you need an entry point into the web
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3582[19:32:57] <mark91> petn-randall and nkuttler: physical key exchange at a meetup seems ideal. what is the next best thing?
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3584[19:33:23] <mark91> petn-randall: thanks for being patient
3585[19:33:31] <nkuttler> mark91: there really is no alternative if you're even moderately paranoid
3586[19:33:47] <greycat> if you're just validating using a key you got off a web page, then there is no additional level of security beyond just validating an SHA or MD hash you got off a web page, so you might as well just verify the SHA-whatever hash and be done.
3587[19:34:12] <mark91> i guess i am more perfectionist than paranoid?
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3589[19:34:26] <petn-randall> Well, it's sent over HTTPS, so there's some work to forge that.
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3591[19:34:58] <greycat> I would assume the attack is on the web server's static content, not the transport layer, but sure.
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3598[19:36:44] <password8> hmm
3599[19:36:54] <password8> somehow my sound is very soft
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3611[19:40:12] <password8> man i dont know whats wrong now
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3614[19:40:30] <password8> my sound is like 1/10th of what it should be
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3616[19:41:14] <greycat> If nothing changed in the software, then it could be a hardware failure. Possibly one of the cables.
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3618[19:41:32] <greycat> Of course this being #debian there were probably 174 software changes to the audio packages that you didn't bother to mention.
3619[19:41:34] <password8> quality is perfect
3620[19:41:48] <password8> well I'm not psychic
3621[19:42:14] <greycat> Did the volume levels change in your mixer? Did the volume knob on the speakers get turned?
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3624[19:42:59] <mark91> while the cd signing keys are available by https page, the sums are regular http. would it be more secure to have the sums and sign files available on an https page?
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3639[19:48:41] <password4> woops
3640[19:48:45] <password4> i timed out
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3647[19:50:34] <password4> volume issue resolved
3648[19:50:45] <greycat> What was it?
3649[19:50:46] <password4> as I suspected its down to piece of shit software
3650[19:50:55] <greycat> Which software?
3651[19:50:56] <password4> i started audacity
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3654[19:51:04] <password4> its has a volume knob
3655[19:51:20] <password4> which was at 100% , i moved it to 0% then 100%
3656[19:51:31] <password4> closed it boom
3657[19:51:36] <password4> my ears bleed
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3659[19:52:10] <password4> Imo no software should set global volume level
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3661[19:52:33] <password4> 40db differnce!
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3676[19:57:44] <password4> man
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3678[19:58:02] <password4> I wish i had time to actually contribute to open source
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3686[20:03:00] <centrx> password4: if you use open-source in your job, that's a way to get some OSS contribs in
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3697[20:07:32] <password4> the place i work at seems to be very deep into MS
3698[20:07:41] <password4> Idk
3699[20:07:53] <password4> youd need to work at a very laid back place
3700[20:08:09] <password4> for them to let you spend time improving opensource tools
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3719[20:17:00] <AlienCat> If I end up in busy box after boot
3720[20:17:10] <AlienCat> How should I tell the error?
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3724[20:17:43] <greycat> Usually by knowing what you did that caused it.
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3727[20:17:56] <greycat> "Oh, I guess that custom kernel I just tried to boot wasn't configured right."
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3729[20:18:07] <greycat> "Oh, I guess those changes I made to /etc/grub.d/ were wrong."
3730[20:18:33] <greycat> "Oh, deleting random files from the root file system can be bad? Who knew!"
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3734[20:20:23] <AlienCat> well
3735[20:20:30] <AlienCat> to only think I did
3736[20:20:48] <AlienCat> was rsyncing all files
3737[20:20:56] <AlienCat> to a new drive
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3739[20:21:17] <greycat> And then...?
3740[20:21:32] <AlienCat> I am running on the new drive
3741[20:21:44] <greycat> Did you reinstall grub on the new hard drive?
3742[20:21:48] <AlienCat> yes
3743[20:21:53] <AlienCat> I did
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3745[20:22:00] <AlienCat> else it would not start
3746[20:22:15] <greycat> OK, well, then I would read what it says on the screen to see what broke.
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3748[20:22:48] <AlienCat> it wont tell me
3749[20:23:02] <AlienCat> I must check some log
3750[20:23:06] <AlienCat> or something
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3819[20:49:35] <toruvinn> /lc/lc
3820[20:49:37] <toruvinn> oops
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3827[20:53:38] <AlienCat> I fixed it
3828[20:53:43] <AlienCat> not sure how
3829[20:53:53] <greycat> Yay.
3830[20:54:09] <AlienCat> you are very gray
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3843[20:58:46] <chrisyyyy> heya, got a problem with my debian server running a "magicmirror" script. Once a day the picture on the monitor is frozen, only a complete restart fixes this. Anybody an idea?
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3869[21:05:30] <Richard_Cavell> Hi everyone. I just used Debian cinnamon and mate after a 3 year absence from using Linux. Is the GUI debate settled in favour of cinnamon?
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3871[21:05:39] <greycat> Hahaha!
3872[21:05:46] <greycat> A gui debate being settled, ever. Hilarious.
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3874[21:06:00] <dontknow> <3 xfce
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3876[21:06:14] <AlienCat> KDE
3877[21:06:19] <somiaj> Richard_Cavell: debian gives the user the freedom to choose what GUI they like. Some of us are still using window manages and not DEs (:
3878[21:06:27] <greycat> (Use whatever you like. It's a highly personal and subjective decision. There is no consensus at all. Not even close.)
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3880[21:06:42] <somiaj> Richard_Cavell: debian 8 and 9 provides access to all the major DEs along with lots of window managers to choose from. Choose the one that best fits your needs
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3888[21:07:40] <dontknow> will stretch include budgie?
3889[21:07:53] <greycat> Does it have it right now?
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3891[21:08:28] <greycat> Does even sid have it? What's the package name?
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3893[21:09:03] <dontknow> it looks like testing has it
3894[21:09:20] <somiaj> dontknow: stretch is nearing a freeze (it is already in a transition freeze), so basically what is in stretch now is about what you'll end up with.
3895[21:09:24] <greycat> Not under the name 'budgie', it doesn't.
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3897[21:09:43] <dontknow> :/
3898[21:09:53] <greycat> What package name did you find?
3899[21:10:00] <jelly> it does have parrot I think.
3900[21:10:12] <dontknow> it has budgie-core, budgie-desktop
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3902[21:10:19] <greycat> ,v budgie-core
3903[21:10:20] <judd> Package: budgie-core on amd64 -- sid: 10.2.8-1; stretch: 10.2.8-1
3904[21:10:27] <greycat> OK, then it looks promising.
3905[21:10:48] <somiaj> yup, unless there are RC bugs thta get it removed it will most likely be in stretch.
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3907[21:11:06] <jelly> ,i budgie-desktop
3908[21:11:07] <judd> No package named 'budgie-desktop' was found in jessie/amd64.
3909[21:11:10] <jelly> ,i budgie-desktop --release sid
3910[21:11:11] <judd> Package budgie-desktop (x11, optional) in sid/amd64: Desktop package for budgie-desktop. Version: 10.2.8-1; Size: 5.1k; Installed: 19k; Homepage: replaced-url
3911[21:11:27] <greycat> Oh, only half migrated? Hm.
3912[21:11:28] <jelly> useless description
3913[21:11:48] <greycat> !why is budgie-desktop not in testing
3914[21:11:48] <dpkg> budgie-desktop is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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3916[21:12:13] <greycat> well, that's not very informative...
3917[21:12:16] <AlienCat> another desktop enviroment?
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3919[21:12:48] <jelly> yade
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3934[21:16:05] <mystx_> Anyone have advice for misbehaving HP hardware on fresh jessie 8.6 install? I don't have audio or wireless according to lspci.
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3936[21:17:09] <somiaj> mystx_: are you sure the hardware and wifi are on the pci uus?
3937[21:17:19] <somiaj> uus=bus
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3942[21:18:12] <somiaj> mystx_: there is also lshw for a more deatailed look at what hardware can be detected. If it isn't being detected then there isn't much you can do
3943[21:18:21] <mystx_> not certain, but it's a new laptop, so I assumed it had wifi. It may be bios disabled, but I don't find any switches in bios to enable.
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3945[21:18:44] <somiaj> sometimes the firmware (BIOS) has settings that disable the wifi and audio cards completly maknig them unavailable to the software.
3946[21:18:58] <jelly> sound might be i2s connected
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3948[21:19:13] <somiaj> well you can try lsusb see if for some reason they put it on the usb device, or just lshw though it will give you lots of info
3949[21:19:28] <mystx_> ok, will try lsusb
3950[21:19:45] <jelly> mystx_: if this is a model from 2015 or this year, try installing and booting a kernel from jessie-backports.
3951[21:19:47] <somiaj> but if you don't even know if it has wifi and just assume (though it is a reasonable assumption) you may want to double check the actual hardware specs of that model.
3952[21:20:02] <jelly> !bdo kernel
3953[21:20:02] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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3955[21:20:48] <jelly> it's not reasonable to expect latest hardware to Just Work on linux
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3958[21:21:31] <mystx_> smiaj: yeah, have tried doing that. Have come up with RTL drivers mentioned, but not confirmed. Have installed with firmware support for realtek.
3959[21:21:51] <mystx_> That enabled wired.
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3962[21:22:16] <mystx_> lsusb didn't show anything much that I could tell.
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3970[21:24:00] <mystx_> lshw not found. What package is that in?
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3972[21:25:39] <jelly> the eponymous one
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3975[21:26:02] <mystx_> k, tried sudo apt-get install lshw, and that failed.
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3978[21:26:18] <jelly> how did it fail?
3979[21:26:21] <jelly> !bat
3980[21:26:21] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
3981[21:26:40] <mystx_> bash: sudo: command not found
3982[21:26:51] <jelly> so you don't have sudo
3983[21:27:03] <mystx_> oh, makes sense.
3984[21:27:13] <jelly> use "su -" to open a root shell, use root's password
3985[21:27:40] <jelly> do your apt-get stuff there
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3988[21:28:35] <mystx_> k, have sudo and lshw now. taking a few to look at output.
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3990[21:30:01] <jelly> if you have skylake or newer you'll probably want to get newr kernel (and matching firmware) anyway
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4004[21:37:29] <mystx_> lshw doesn't show much. Doesn't look like that's recognizing anything.
4005[21:38:10] <mystx_> In the past, I've been hung up by wifi, but was pleasantly surprised last time around, even though I needed firmware.
4006[21:38:32] <mystx_> Will look at skylake. That could be it.
4007[21:38:45] <mystx_> I'm not used to being on the bleeding edge.
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4009[21:39:36] <mystx_> there are newer kernels with skylake support?
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4020[21:43:40] <mystx_> ok, lshw is showing a wireless device.
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4023[21:44:31] <os_> hi
4024[21:44:53] <os_> i am planning to use debian sid
4025[21:45:04] <towo`> then you are in the wrong channel
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4027[21:45:22] <os_> Yes!
4028[21:45:24] <os_> thanks
4029[21:45:38] <os_> you must be invited?
4030[21:45:48] <os_> mmm
4031[21:45:54] <sypher> Wrong server. OFTC, not Freenode.
4032[21:46:03] <sypher> !testing
4033[21:46:03] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See replaced-url
4034[21:46:06] <mystx_> the lshw wireless is probably bluetooth only, not wifi
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4037[21:46:22] <sypher> Wrong factoid, sorry.
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4039[21:46:33] <sypher> Oh, it's in the channel topic
4040[21:47:02] <os_> sypher: i feel like a very stupid thing
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4064[22:02:46] <zykotick9> sypher: fyi the factoid you where looking for is !debian-next
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4068[22:03:26] <sypher> Thank you.
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4077[22:07:49] <jak2000> HI ALL
4078[22:07:52] <jak2000> ssorry for caps
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4124[22:23:00] <scnoodle> sorry kinda lazy,lol but when is eol for debian
4125[22:23:37] <towo`> depends on the version
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4127[22:23:40] <scnoodle> ?
4128[22:23:41] <greycat> EOL for a given release is typically one year after the NEXT release, but now we have LTS....
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4130[22:23:46] <towo`> debian itself is never eol
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4134[22:24:13] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
4135[22:24:15] <scnoodle> towo:debian 8
4136[22:24:19] <scnoodle> ?
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4140[22:24:43] <greycat> We won't know when jessie reaches end of life until stretch is released.
4141[22:24:47] <somiaj> scnoodle: stretch will be released sometime next year. Add one year to that and the debian security team stops supporting it. At that time the LTS team takes up support for only server side software.
4142[22:25:06] <somiaj> so for server side software you have about 4-5 more years of jessie left
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4144[22:25:28] <somiaj> though maybe less, unsure what time frame LTS uses, you can look at wheezy for an idea
4145[22:25:31] <somiaj> !wheezy-lts
4146[22:25:31] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See replaced-url
4147[22:25:36] * greycat does another apt-get update on his wheezy server just in case
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4149[22:25:51] <greycat> ... tzdata. OK.
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4151[22:26:08] <somiaj> yea 4-5 years may be a bit long, looks like lts is about 2-3 years after the security team stops
4152[22:26:16] <thmbssfruit> anyone can access: renypicot.com.mx (can see the webpage)?
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4154[22:26:45] <greycat> I get a response.
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4158[22:27:29] <thmbssfruit> greycat get a response?
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4174[22:33:57] <HJfFun> how can force deb-install to correct this replaced-url
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4176[22:34:25] <HJfFun> replaced-url
4177[22:34:47] <HJfFun> expert install ?
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4185[22:37:22] <noodle0> somiaj:dam i was called outside by nephew..hey thanks 4 the feedback on debian
4186[22:38:06] <noodle0> thanks
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4197[22:44:04] <pingouin> hello
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4204[22:49:30] <thmbssfruit> pingouin can you give me a favour?
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4206[22:50:14] <pingouin> thmbssfruit: depends...ask
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4208[22:50:45] <thmbssfruit> can access: renypicot.com.mx (can see the webpage)?
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4210[22:51:00] <greycat> Dude, how many people do you need to hear from?
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4215[22:52:01] <pingouin> thmbssfruit: yes it answers
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4220[22:53:10] <thmbssfruit> ok, i am on a local network, same network where renypicot.com.mx is, my pc ip is: 192.168.1.130 and server ip is: 192.168.1.101 why cant access?
4221[22:53:28] <thmbssfruit> laso if i try: 192.168.1.101 in chrome or mozilla it redirect to renypicot.com.mx
4222[22:53:32] <greycat> Because that is not the server's public IP.
4223[22:53:33] <thmbssfruit> *also
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4225[22:54:07] <thmbssfruit> greycat yes i understand
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4227[22:54:12] <thmbssfruit> but i am on same network
4228[22:54:17] * greycat notes that as soon as one question was asked and partially answered, a TOTALLY DIFFERENT question was added on the next line as a damned distraction.
4229[22:54:26] <thmbssfruit> i can ping.. to server
4230[22:54:37] <greycat> ping WHAT? what name or IP address did you type?
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4232[22:55:05] <thmbssfruit> ping to 192.168.1.101 and ping to renypicot.com.mx both answer....
4233[22:55:25] <greycat> When you type "~m1911@89.218.199.104.bc.googleusercontent.com] joined #debian
4234[22:55:28] <greycat> FUCK
4235[22:55:43] <greycat> When you type "ping renypicot.com.mx" what does ping say the IP is?
4236[22:55:49] <thmbssfruit> the public
4237[22:55:58] <greycat> You mean 201.144.114.19?
4238[22:56:00] <thmbssfruit> 201.144.114.19
4239[22:56:04] <thmbssfruit> yes
4240[22:56:26] <greycat> OK. So you can resolve renypicot.com.mx to 201.144.114.19 and you can ping 201.144.114.19. But when you type "replaced-url
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4244[22:57:09] <thmbssfruit> at bottom chrome, say: connecting..............
4245[22:57:32] <thmbssfruit> finally say: cant access: renypicot.com.mx the error is: ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OU
4246[22:57:34] <greycat> Is chrome configured to use any kind of proxy?
4247[22:57:35] <thmbssfruit> ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT
4248[22:57:40] <thmbssfruit> no
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4250[22:57:55] <greycat> From a terminal window, what happens if you type "telnet 201.144.114.19 80"?
4251[22:58:54] <thmbssfruit> i am on windowss, need activate telenet
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4253[22:58:59] <greycat> Fuck.
4254[22:59:03] <ikonia> why does the debian delute-web package not contain the systemd units for it ? I see a ton of references on the web that it doesn't but why ?
4255[22:59:21] <ikonia> deluge sorry
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4257[22:59:37] <greycat> Does it have init.d scripts instead?
4258[22:59:45] <HJfFun> how can force deb-install to correct this replaced-url
4259[22:59:46] <ikonia> nope
4260[22:59:57] <thmbssfruit> Connecting To 201.144.114.19...
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4264[23:00:13] <thmbssfruit> Connecting To 201.144.114.19...Could not open connection to the host, on port 80: Connect failed
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4266[23:00:21] <greycat> thmbssfruit: If you can ping this IP but cannot telnet to port 80 on the same IP, that sounds like a firewall is dropping your packets.
4267[23:00:56] <greycat> Unfortunately the firewall can be on the client machine, or on the server machine, or on any routers in between. (You say it's the same network but there could still be a semi-transparent bridge of some kind.)
4268[23:01:10] <thmbssfruit> i usse fortigate... fortinet
4269[23:01:24] <nikoma> Is the following message in dmesg something to worry about?
4270[23:01:25] <nikoma> replaced-url
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4276[23:02:45] <darkash> Is Virtualbox better than wine when you need access Windows software?
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4283[23:04:47] <towo`> depends
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4286[23:05:05] <darkash> I need to use visual stdio
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4291[23:05:33] <towo`> if you have a windows license, i would think in that case vbox is better
4292[23:06:07] <darkash> okay
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4300[23:08:45] <mystx_> ok, so in order to run a 4.5 kernel with jessie, what would my options be? backports?
4301[23:09:00] <greycat> replaced-url
4302[23:09:09] <greycat> jessie-backports only has 4.7.0 now, unfortunately
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4304[23:09:18] <mystx_> that might work.
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4309[23:10:48] <mystx_> how do i install a 4.7 kernel from backports?
4310[23:10:54] <greycat> !jessie-backports
4311[23:10:54] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
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4316[23:12:00] <mystx_> ok, so I think I have that line in my sources.list (need to check), but not sure how I get the right package name.
4317[23:12:08] <greycat> replaced-url
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4325[23:14:31] <mystx_> it says : apt-get -t jessie-backports install "package". Had tried that, but the image name I gave it didn't work.
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4327[23:14:52] <greycat> apt-cache search linux-image-4.7
4328[23:14:59] <mystx_> ty
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4330[23:15:22] <HJfFun> how can I force deb-install to correct this replaced-url
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4345[23:19:39] <thmbssfruit> i see a rule: httpserver 0.0.0.0 -> 192.168.1.101 TCP 80->80
4346[23:19:42] <thmbssfruit> itss correct?
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4351[23:22:49] <Dimonax> I'm getting a 404 not found error from a Debian repo. How do I fix it?
4352[23:23:03] <greycat> Pick a different mirror. apt-get update again.
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4362[23:26:10] <somiaj> Dimonax: what mirror/sources.list are you using?
4363[23:26:22] <somiaj> you could share your sources.list if you wanted it checked
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4410[23:42:23] <redrabbit> how come deluge is included with lxde
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4412[23:42:28] <redrabbit> :c
4413[23:42:35] <redrabbit> that bloat
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4419[23:44:00] <somiaj> redrabbit: what pulls it in? Is it the large meta package or just some recommened package to something?
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4421[23:44:14] <redrabbit> apt-get install lxde
4422[23:44:16] <redrabbit> :x
4423[23:44:26] <redrabbit> it pulled a ton of crap
4424[23:44:27] <somiaj> redrabbit: aptitude why deluge
4425[23:44:45] <somiaj> redrabbit: yea that is a metapackage that pulls in a full desktop which is also a large collection of tools
4426[23:45:10] <redrabbit> well fine i guess ican remove it with apt-get anyway
4427[23:45:32] <redrabbit> probably a pita to install all the packages by hand anyway
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4430[23:45:44] <somiaj> be careful if the metapackage gets removed it may remove the desktop as well
4431[23:45:57] <somiaj> there are sometimes smaller packages such as lxde-core
4432[23:46:02] <redrabbit> i dont get why deluge though, i dont like it ^^ rtorrent-ps ftw.
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4437[23:46:45] <redrabbit> mhh i deativated gui boot with GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text"
4438[23:46:55] <somiaj> aptitude why deluge may help, but most likely someone things a torrent program should be part of a full desktop.
4439[23:47:04] <somiaj> !nodm
4440[23:47:04] <dpkg> Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
4441[23:47:05] <redrabbit> but i get "cannot open display" error when i startlxde
4442[23:47:14] <somiaj> I put false in default-dsiplaymanager
4443[23:47:18] <redrabbit> works fine when it starts automatically
4444[23:47:24] <somiaj> because you don't run startlxde directly, you need to run it from inside of xorg
4445[23:47:26] <somiaj> run 'startx'
4446[23:47:39] <redrabbit> command not found :o
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4448[23:48:17] <somiaj> redrabbit: apt-get install xinit
4449[23:48:24] <somiaj> though surprised that isn't installed
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4451[23:48:48] <redrabbit> yes same
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4454[23:49:25] <redrabbit> its the last netinstall
4455[23:49:41] <redrabbit> minimal installation, only ssh / common tools
4456[23:49:47] <redrabbit> then apt-get install lxde
4457[23:49:58] <redrabbit> what would you use for a very very lightweight browser ?
4458[23:50:12] <somiaj> I wouldn't
4459[23:50:19] <redrabbit> i'm installing on a NC10. thing is from the past.
4460[23:50:21] <somiaj> use chromium or firefox, those are the only two that have security support in debian
4461[23:50:30] <somiaj> and browsers constantally have security holes.
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4463[23:50:40] <redrabbit> all right chromium then
4464[23:50:45] <redrabbit> i guess its the fastest
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4468[23:51:13] <somiaj> debian provides other browsers that you can use 'at your own risk' but the security team doesn't support them so they most likely have known securty holes now
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4470[23:51:30] <somiaj> (though a lot of security issues can be migated by just paying attention to what sites you visit and what software you download)
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4473[23:51:50] <kladzen> Hi, im having some issues with doing traffic shaping on both inbound and outbound traffic... It's working with outbound traffic, it gets limited as i want to... but the inbound just hits the default classid and not the one i want to hit.. and i cant seem to get why... i hope somebody can help out, please see my code here replaced-url
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4477[23:52:56] <redrabbit> what is the fastest known available
4478[23:53:05] <redrabbit> lowest cpu usage
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4482[23:53:52] <somiaj> redrabbit: lynx, links2 -- but these are cli, no javascript and no images
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4485[23:54:42] <somiaj> but I suggest chorimum or firefox since they are the only supported ones. After that look around, find one you like. debian provides them with no security support
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4488[23:56:06] <redrabbit> no gui web browsing ain't for the faint hearted
4489[23:56:23] <redrabbit> last time i tried i almost was dizzy from it
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4491[23:56:53] <redrabbit> resources wise, can't be beat though
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4495[23:57:16] <redrabbit> apt-get install xinit solved the issue. thanks !
4496[23:57:18] <darkash> you can use google with links
4497[23:57:39] <redrabbit> for real ? when i tried it it was a wreck
4498[23:57:54] <redrabbit> wasn't even able to use it, had to resort to yahoo
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4503[23:58:40] <redrabbit> maybe i should try it again. could be useful in a case of no-gui kind of thing
4504[23:59:41] <darkash> links replaced-url
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