• 0[00:00:13] <CuteMeOwnThroat> CSmith-, you can get the source package with (go into a fresh directory for it) apt-get source apache2
• 1[00:00:33] <exedore6> monsune: That’s the answer I like best, doesn’t it feel like it’s going against the tide?
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• 3[00:01:04] <exedore6> monsune: I mean, it feels like that is going against the tide, as happy as I am to be able to stick with what I know.
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• 5[00:02:04] <monsune> it surely is going against the tide and that's also why you use debian :)
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• 8[00:02:39] <CuteMeOwnThroat> exedore6, I think both ways are similarly accepted… for things like laptops a fixed config in interfaces doesn't make so much sense…
• 9[00:03:42] <exedore6> monsune: If I wanted to buck the tide, I’d still be using slackware :)
• 10[00:03:51] <monsune> CuteMeOwnThroat didn't laptops exist in non-networkmanager era?
• 11[00:04:24] <CuteMeOwnThroat> they did… and I ran one using an interfaces file. it sucked.
• 12[00:04:27] <exedore6> monsune: They did, but you had to take responsibility for your own network connection.
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• 14[00:04:39] <monsune> exedore6 why not freebsd? :)
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• 16[00:04:52] <exedore6> So I guess the concensus in this room is to use /etc/interfaces unless you have to use nm?
• 17[00:05:02] <exedore6> monsune: Because I want my hardware to have a chance at working.
• 18[00:05:07] <monsune> no, it was just my 3 cents :)
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• 21[00:05:39] <exedore6> monsune: I know, I thought we were playing. I’ve been in the game long enough to know that the grass is brown on all sides of the fence.
• 22[00:05:40] <CuteMeOwnThroat> I think interfaces file makes most sense for a static IP
• 23[00:06:08] <monsune> CuteMeOwnThroat what really makes it unsuitable for e.g. dhcp?
• 24[00:06:20] <CuteMeOwnThroat> nothing
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• 28[00:06:50] <monsune> so why did you state that it mostly made sense for static? :)
• 29[00:06:55] <exedore6> monsune: It falls down when you plug into a lot of networks, and different networks get different settings.
• 30[00:06:56] <CuteMeOwnThroat> but adding different wireless keys as root to interfaces for every new encrypted network you get a key for sucks
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• 33[00:07:37] <CuteMeOwnThroat> monsune, I said that I think it's the best solution for static IPs… that sentence doesn't say what is the best solution for any of the other cases
• 34[00:07:39] <exedore6> monsune: WIFI is the ur-example, with different settings depending on the SSID.
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• 38[00:08:26] <monsune> exedore6 sure i agree, there might be cases where networkmanager is simply useful, it's all a matter of some common sense
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• 42[00:09:14] <monsune> but what do you do if the networkmanager breakes for some reason and you have no idea how to manually setup the connection?
• 43[00:09:22] <CuteMeOwnThroat> exedore6, but so I wouldn't want to say "this is the debian way and nothing else" … depending on the use-case each can be a good solution
• 44[00:09:50] <CuteMeOwnThroat> monsune, what if a meteor hits the earth and the sun doesn't reach its surface for 10 years
• 45[00:10:06] <monsune> to me, debian way = conservative way
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• 49[00:10:46] <exedore6> CuteMeOwnThroat: I understand, I know interfaces. I guess my question is, “It seems interfaces is deprecated, am I wrong?"
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• 51[00:11:03] <monsune> CuteMeOwnThroat look, most people can't even setup vhosts without cpanel anymore, they can't build a mail server, they can't even reboot a machine without UI... you really follow that path?
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• 53[00:11:32] <monsune> hell, they can't add a user to the system without cpanel :)
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• 55[00:12:28] <monsune> so my point is that it's good to have all those nice managers around and handy but the real sysadmin should know how to do bare metal stuff
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• 57[00:12:39] <missmbob> systemd-networkd has taken over for /etc/network/interfaces
• 58[00:13:24] <missmbob> replaced-url
• 59[00:13:33] <monsune> missmbob never used that one in my life :) and i'm managing lots of machines, debian, ubuntu, centos, freebsd...
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• 61[00:14:00] <missmbob> then you should. systemd-networkd ties them all in. same config works across distros (and freebsd)
• 62[00:14:34] <monsune> how do you restart networking using that?
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• 65[00:14:59] <CuteMeOwnThroat> dpkg, interfaces
• 66[00:15:00] <monsune> heard stories about people crying over missing /etc/init.d/networking restart?
• 67[00:15:00] <dpkg> Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. replaced-url
• 68[00:15:21] <missmbob> same way you restart any systemd service. the service is called systemd-networkd.service
• 69[00:15:32] <monsune> CuteMeOwnThroat you should lear a little more about networking before you give such advice :)
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• 71[00:15:38] <monsune> learn*
• 72[00:15:50] <n4dir> systemd-networkd works on FreeBSD?
• 73[00:16:02] <CuteMeOwnThroat> monsune, are you talking to yourself?
• 74[00:16:18] <monsune> CuteMeOwnThroat no, i'm talking to you
• 75[00:16:21] <missmbob> n4dir: sure. if you have systemd installed
• 76[00:16:33] <missmbob> n4dir: just like on debian it's not required
• 77[00:16:40] <CuteMeOwnThroat> monsune, maybe you should be talking to yourself
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• 79[00:16:51] <CuteMeOwnThroat> I still have an interfaces file here
• 80[00:17:00] <monsune> CuteMeOwnThroat you have proven your ignorance earlier today (afs)
• 81[00:17:15] <CuteMeOwnThroat> monsune, you are still displaying yours…
• 82[00:17:18] <monsune> and please, don't teach me about ifup/down... it has nothing to do with restart
• 83[00:17:26] <CuteMeOwnThroat> and I don't think I have to know every fucking service on the world
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• 86[00:18:02] <monsune> CuteMeOwnThroat so why act like you do?
• 87[00:18:12] <abrotman> ahem ...
• 88[00:18:15] <n4dir> you can install systemd on FreeBSD?
• 89[00:18:22] <monsune> abrotman right
• 90[00:18:28] <exedore6> missmbob: I’m not sure there is systemd for bsd.
• 91[00:18:28] <abrotman> monsune: knock it off
• 92[00:18:38] <missmbob> n4dir: systembsd
• 93[00:18:38] <monsune> abrotman i just did
• 94[00:18:50] * monsune goes back to the corner.
• 95[00:19:51] <n4dir> systembsd doesn't look like systemd to me
• 96[00:20:13] <toruvinn> (OT) what do you guys recommend instead of raspberry pi 3b? ;-)
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• 103[00:24:46] <CuteMeOwnThroat> missmbob, I don't see that interfaces has been actually replaced by systemd-networkd … I think interfaces file is used to feed the service… at least on my work desktop, there is still a full active interfaces configuration. Admittedly I can't remember too much about the last upgrade, it's too long ago… and as I'm only accessing it remotely, I don't really want to mess with networking
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• 202[01:13:23] <exedore6> I’ve got a machine with two interfaces, and a second host behind one of them.
• 203[01:13:30] <exedore6> I’ve setup networking on both interfaces.
• 204[01:13:43] <exedore6> The second host is getting a valid address.
• 205[01:13:50] <exedore6> ip_forward is set to 1
• 206[01:14:11] <exedore6> No iptables rules are up, forward is set to accept.
• 207[01:14:26] <exedore6> Things don’t seem to be forwarding (they get to the ‘router’)
• 208[01:14:28] <exedore6> Thoughtrs?
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• 236[01:32:29] <fuller35> hi
• 237[01:32:47] <fuller35> i installed debian 8 jessie in a friend's laptop
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• 241[01:33:33] <fuller35> now he messed up the system by adding an ubuntu PPA when trying to install kodi, and after a dist-upgrade he broke the system
• 242[01:33:39] <fuller35> it boots into a tty
• 243[01:34:22] <fuller35> can this be fixed? i already deleted the PPA and tried to reinstall some packages, like xserver-xorg... but it throws an error of package not being downloadable
• 244[01:34:48] <somiaj> not easily, you could try to track down each package that was upgraded and manually downgrade them to debian packages and hope no scripts messed anything up in the process
• 245[01:35:09] <somiaj> and the sucess on this depends on the number of packages affected. In general don't mix debian and ubuntu soures
• 246[01:35:17] <fuller35> hi somiaj
• 247[01:35:20] <fuller35> wait
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• 249[01:35:27] <bazhang> a PPA is pretty much install from backups situation
• 250[01:35:37] <asterismo> now
• 251[01:35:55] <asterismo> yeah, its a complete mess
• 252[01:36:05] <asterismo> but i really dont have time to backup and reinstall
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• 254[01:36:34] <bazhang> then thats going to be one super unstable system
• 255[01:36:59] <monsune> expect to spend even more time fixing that broken system
• 256[01:37:14] <bazhang> no time for it means dont care if you lose everything
• 257[01:37:19] <asterismo> do i have the possibility to list all packages installed from that ppa¡?
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• 259[01:37:37] <asterismo> i mean, the base system works
• 260[01:37:51] <monsune> it's not about packages, e.g. some configs could got ovewritten etc.
• 261[01:37:57] <bazhang> even on ubuntu a PPA is a crapshoot
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• 263[01:38:01] <asterismo> so my impression is that only KDE and the graphic server was damaged
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• 265[01:38:14] <asterismo> the thing is... if i delete and purge KDE, Xorg...
• 266[01:38:19] <bazhang> asterismo, full reinstall
• 267[01:38:37] <bazhang> asterismo, you want to avoid that , then thats on you
• 268[01:38:42] <asterismo> can i install from debian repos? or do i have to purge some apt-get cache elsewhere...?
• 269[01:38:49] <monsune> why can't you just backup and reinstall? how long will it take? 1-2 hours?
• 270[01:39:18] <bazhang> asterismo, why keep asking when everyone here has said already what to do
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• 272[01:39:46] <asterismo> bazhang: i want to expose my point completely and then hear opinions
• 273[01:39:58] <asterismo> i did that in my last line
• 274[01:40:07] <bazhang> full reinstall is it asterismo
• 275[01:40:16] * monsune is out of this.
• 276[01:40:23] <bazhang> the other option is wait for the full breakage asterismo
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• 394[02:57:48] <SpaceAce> i have a debian based VPS and it keeps losing time by a few minutes. any ideas?
• 395[02:58:13] <somiaj> install ntp to keep it synced
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• 398[03:00:13] <Choppa_Dappa> !ops
• 399[03:00:13] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
• 400[03:00:20] <Choppa_Dappa> !ops
• 401[03:00:21] <Choppa_Dappa> !ops
• 402[03:00:24] <Choppa_Dappa> !ops
• 403[03:00:24] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
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• 411[03:05:59] <linux-fox> hi, all, when i use "lynx -traversal URL", how can i exclude some links?
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• 413[03:06:21] <Hello71> dunno. try wget?
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• 424[03:12:45] <zophyx> kc 0 b roncs 0 2nd quarter starts
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• 427[03:13:11] <zophyx> i think there should be a broncos debian distro
• 428[03:13:18] <jeddi> Is this a Debian question / problem - I just upgraded google-chrome-unstable, i'm running on a mostly sid box (desperately in need of a rebuild). latest chrome is v56. *.google.com sites are reporting 'your connection is not private' with complaints about sha-1 and potential MITM. other https sites are okay. are there effective dependencies on an upgrade that I'm missing?
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• 430[03:13:56] <zophyx> wow
• 431[03:14:13] <zophyx> untrusted advertisers
• 432[03:14:15] <Hello71> dig google.com
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• 437[03:15:09] <zophyx> i would go on a rampage and shoot some people in the streets if that happened to me
• 438[03:15:24] <zophyx> i have debian decals
• 439[03:15:32] <jeddi> dig google.com output: replaced-url
• 440[03:15:44] <zophyx> omg
• 441[03:16:53] <zophyx> looks like some kind of provider cache problem
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• 443[03:17:14] <jeddi> zophyx: hmm. i'm with a fairly decent provider here in AU (internode). not to say they're infallible.
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• 446[03:18:02] <Hello71> traceroute?
• 447[03:18:05] <zophyx> i get only cache ip's when i dig google
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• 451[03:20:14] <jeddi> Hello71: traceroute at replaced-url
• 452[03:20:28] <linux-fox> hi, all, when i use "lynx -traversal URL", how can i exclude some links?
• 453[03:20:31] <jeddi> both are goign through my adsl provider, natch. okay, so it's an issue with *something* stale on this box.
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• 455[03:21:14] <Hello71> jeddi: have you tried rebooting
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• 460[03:21:51] <zophyx> jeddi, can you set your name resovler to a resolver outside your providers domain ?
• 461[03:22:06] <zophyx> try 4.2.2.2. or 8.8.8.8
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• 465[03:23:31] <zophyx> 4.2.2.2 now serves a dummy page for unresolved names.. really sad.. level3 even
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• 467[03:24:11] <Hello71> shouldn't make a difference, because you're not supposed to be using it
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• 469[03:24:13] <zophyx> LiENUS, hi
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• 475[03:26:37] <zophyx> when i invented the internet i imagined a rainbow colored skyline excluding the red parameter
• 476[03:26:52] <zophyx> but i saw the debian name
• 477[03:26:59] <zophyx> i'm all debin
• 478[03:27:01] <themill> that's probably enough
• 479[03:27:11] <zophyx> ok, :))
• 480[03:27:45] <zophyx> how ya been ?
• 481[03:27:59] <jeddi> Hello71, zophyx: forcing resolv to 8.8.8.8 on this host - same issue exists.
• 482[03:28:00] <themill> Perhaps you're looking for ##chat?
• 483[03:28:22] <jeddi> I'll try a reboot :)
• 484[03:28:33] <jeddi> (I hate adopting the Windows approach to problem resolution)
• 485[03:28:42] <zophyx> hahah
• 486[03:29:10] <themill> jeddi: choice of hash on the certificate is a server-side thing
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• 488[03:30:01] <Hello71> eh, I'm assuming there's some part of the client that wasn't upgraded right
• 489[03:30:10] <Hello71> *browser
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• 492[03:30:23] <Hello71> I guess you could run openssl s_client -showcerts to check
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• 494[03:31:22] <jeddi> Hello71: replaced-url
• 495[03:31:47] <jeddi> Hello71: yeah, as noted, it's mostly a sid box, but some bits are way out of date .. I need to do a full rebuild at some point onto SSD .. it's on my list.
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• 497[03:31:55] <Hello71> it defaults to localhost.
• 498[03:32:09] <Hello71> you probably want -connect replaced-url
• 499[03:32:18] <Hello71> !partial
• 500[03:32:20] <Hello71> darn
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• 502[03:33:04] <jeddi> Hello71: ah, cool, sorry, haven't used the openssl tools much for a long time. replaced-url
• 503[03:33:53] <jeddi> are we looking for something that says not-google in there, or some reference to sha-1?
• 504[03:34:06] <themill> grrr captcha... please use a non-broken pastebin
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• 507[03:35:22] <jeddi> replaced-url
• 508[03:35:24] <Hello71> upgrade ca-certificates.
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• 511[03:37:56] <jeddi> Hello71: upgraded ca-certificates + ca-certificates-java packages ... re-started chrome. same issue. hmm. i'll hit the reboot button now.
• 512[03:38:03] <zophyx> update and then upgrade
• 513[03:38:34] <Hello71> or better update your whole system, because you'll break it sooner or later with library updates
• 514[03:38:56] <jeddi> Yeah - it's gonna chew up a whole day to rebuild this workstation ... today is not that day. ;(
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• 519[03:41:50] <awal1> How to make fbpanel display in a specific monitor?
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• 523[03:43:42] <awal1> I want it to run in my primary monitor (LVDS-1), not in the attached one (VGA-1)
• 524[03:44:01] <jeddi> Same problem. Okay .. I'll schedule in a rebuild later. Was hoping it was just one or two non-dependency: dependencies , as it were that I could upgrade ... a full dist-upgrade is going to break things.
• 525[03:44:35] <awal1> By default it starts in the vga one, and I only can see half of it
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• 527[03:45:13] <awal1> man fbpanel and docs have nothing related to display, monitors...
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• 532[03:49:17] <somiaj> awal1: does it use a standard x geometry string, you can put a @N for the screen
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• 534[03:49:35] <somiaj> well that was xinemra, unsure if anythign special for randr
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• 539[03:52:18] <foul_owl> Hi folks. I have the debian installer written to a USB drive. When I select "install" from the menu, my system reboots. Any ideas? Thanks
• 540[03:52:24] <foul_owl> Debian 8.6
• 541[03:52:50] <missmbob> foul_owl: how did you copy it to usb?
• 542[03:52:53] <foul_owl> I tried "graphical install" also, same thing
• 543[03:52:54] <awal1> somiaj, not sure about x geometry string stuff. I know I can adjust width and height . let me find the default config file and I paste it.
• 544[03:53:04] <awal1> don't knoiw where it is exactly
• 545[03:53:09] <foul_owl> with: sudo cp debian.iso /dev/sdh
• 546[03:53:25] <foul_owl> I can boot from the USB drive fine
• 547[03:53:31] <foul_owl> It's just when I select "install" from the menu
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• 555[03:55:49] <awal1> somiaj: that's the default config file of fbpanel found in /usr/share/fbpanel/default replaced-url
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• 560[03:56:44] <Butt3rfly> which motherboard? I had one once that had a reboot bug when you tried to install bootstrap
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• 563[03:56:57] <Butt3rfly> never did solve it
• 564[03:57:04] <foul_owl> Ahhh not sure which mobo
• 565[03:57:10] <foul_owl> Helping a friend install debian
• 566[03:57:18] <foul_owl> Let me ask him
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• 568[03:57:47] <missmbob> you could just try the alpha 8 installer
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• 586[04:11:16] <james364> for some reason using ipv6 along with ipv4 on the same interface doesnt seem to work here. only ipv6 settings get set. systemd-networkd replaced-url
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• 612[04:21:54] <angel`> Hello all, I m a newby. I can't use apt-get anymore because the PkgProblem
• 613[04:22:17] <angel`> ..Resolver says things will break...
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• 615[04:22:34] <D34TH-T0-FR0GS> Hello
• 616[04:22:42] <missmbob> angel`: are you using stretch?
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• 621[04:23:17] <i-kill-frogs> We are here.
• 622[04:23:24] <K1LL1NG-FR0GS> We come in peace
• 623[04:23:33] <killing-frogs> Unless you are a frog
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• 626[04:23:39] <angel`> missmbob: is that the unstable release?
• 627[04:23:46] <angel`> if so, then yes
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• 631[04:24:08] <nano_python> stretch = testing, sid = unstable
• 632[04:24:09] <missmbob> angel`: that should only be used by experienced users who know how to fix those things. anyway, go to their support channel
• 633[04:24:12] <missmbob> !debian-next
• 634[04:24:12] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 640[04:25:48] <angel`> missmbob: well i took it on as a challenge...i want to learn how to fix this stuff
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• 642[04:26:07] <missmbob> angel`: so go to the right place. also read this
• 643[04:26:10] <missmbob> !tell angel` about sid faq
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• 645[04:26:24] <angel`> read what?
• 646[04:26:33] <missmbob> angel`: the bot just told you what
• 647[04:26:40] <missmbob> angel`: check your private messages
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• 728[05:19:15] <jscoder> can a disk image file made with dd, cryptsetup, and mkfs.ext4 be later resized without data loss or would it just need to be mounted and copied to a new file of desired size?
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• 735[05:24:40] <themill> jscoder: the container then the filesystem can be enlarged easily enough, yes
• 736[05:25:08] <jscoder> I am familiar with the utilities for filesystems, but what would resize the container?
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• 740[05:25:50] <jscoder> I mean I would imagine you could use dd but it would be a bit cumbersome
• 741[05:26:02] <jscoder> trying to append from the end of the file
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• 745[05:26:56] <jscoder> it was more curiousity than anything, I'm not entirely sure I wanna try it, at least not without backing it up first
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• 747[05:28:07] <jscoder> I already hosed it once trying to setup that userspace cryptmount thing, but I still had a backup
• 748[05:28:41] <jscoder> its only 4gb currently, but I'm running my whole system off a 32gb flash so its a bit constrained
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• 752[05:30:32] <awal1> how to get the the qemu-kvm guest in full screen?
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• 755[05:32:07] <awal1> I use virt-manager. well the window guest is in fullscreen but not the guest os itself
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• 759[05:33:16] <jscoder> awal1: there is a #qemu with about 150 people in it, I never used it, I use virtualbox when I need a vm
• 760[05:33:45] <jscoder> where there are a lot more people here, I'm pretty sure all those in #qemu at least used the program
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• 762[05:34:25] <jscoder> virtualbox has not only fullscreen but seamless mode, which I like
• 763[05:34:46] <mrrtump> can I tell chrome to use ram not disk? for megaspeed?
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• 765[05:35:33] <awal1> jscoder: I'm just giving qemu-kvm a try, but I find virtualbox (+guest-additions) more featured and complete :(
• 766[05:35:40] <somiaj> awal1: are you talking about xorg, use xrandr and change the size of the screen it is attached to
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• 768[05:35:47] <jscoder> mrrtump: this is not a good place to ask that question, chrome isn't in debian but I don't offhand know where its better supported
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• 770[05:37:00] <jscoder> awal1: from my very limited experience as I dabbled once with it, qemu is useful because its entirely opensource with no contrib non-free parts and it seems to have a much wider range of arch and os support on both sides
• 771[05:37:25] <jscoder> where virtualbox emulates ordinary pc hardware, qemu seems can emulate all sorts of hardware
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• 773[05:37:57] <jscoder> awal1: I however concurr that virtualbox is a better more featured product for standard pc virtualization at no cost
• 774[05:39:15] <somiaj> I have no problems with libvirt and qemu here. But I don't think the vnc client sends back monintor size, just use xrandr to set it
• 775[05:39:21] <jscoder> virtualbox is nice because of the guest additions especially, that they actually make drivers for major platforms that work with the emulated hardware
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• 777[05:39:42] <deznutz> is there a way to transfer files via NAT on VM?
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• 779[05:40:08] <jscoder> deznutz: virtualbox does it natively yes, using a cifs/samba protocol
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• 782[05:40:54] <somiaj> why use samba? You can use many protocols, rsync over ssh is my suggestion.
• 783[05:41:02] <deznutz> ok, I was trying to do that between two different clients and I couldnt get it to work. I am still reading into it. I have only been using VM for about a week
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• 785[05:41:08] <awal1> jscoder, qemu-kvm is faster than vbox and have a better integration with linux, yeah
• 786[05:41:46] <jscoder> the samba is nice because virtualbox UI can setup shares and when you boot the VM the shares are already configured.. its simple for inexperienced users
• 787[05:41:47] <lindylex> I am having problem install a dual boot Windows 7 with Debian. Grub is not showing up. I tried install it in EFI and without it. Window 7 boots up everytime.
• 788[05:41:55] <lindylex> I see no grub.
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• 790[05:42:18] <somiaj> lindylex: which debian installer are you using? Do you isntall debian first or second?
• 791[05:42:32] <jscoder> lindylex: and what hardware?
• 792[05:42:37] <awal1> somiaj: the problem is: when I put virtualbox guest window in full screen mode, the guest OS is autoresized to full screen too. But with qemu-kvm, only the window is resized, not the guest OS
• 793[05:42:41] <lindylex> Debian second and it is the netinstall.
• 794[05:42:57] <lindylex> Laptop Lenovo w520
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• 796[05:43:15] <somiaj> awal1: vnc may not send minotor change events, I'm unsure here? or are you using spice. Anyways I just use xrandr to change the resolution of my vms. xrandr -q should list a bunch of resolutiosn you can set
• 797[05:43:53] <somiaj> lindylex: no errors when installing grub? Does your firmware allow you to manually go and look for .efi files on the efi partition?
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• 799[05:44:26] <lindylex> NO errors installing drub. " Does your firmware allow you to manually go and look for .efi files on the efi partition?"?
• 800[05:44:51] <jscoder> lindylex: yes, its on thinkwiki replaced-url
• 801[05:45:00] <lindylex> Which firmware?
• 802[05:45:15] <somiaj> on my machine, when I load into my firmware's config tool (use to be called bios) you can select different boot options. I can actually browse the efi partition filesystem in mine
• 803[05:45:30] <lindylex> Oh interesting.
• 804[05:46:18] <awal1> somiaj: using spice, yeah. changed to vnc and rebboting
• 805[05:46:31] <mrrtump> I updated to testing and had some trouble with chrome
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• 807[05:46:39] <jscoder> I see no mention though of issues with the bootloader unfortunately. and I'm only experienced with older models like the T500, T61
• 808[05:46:42] <dvs> lindylex, In my BIOS, I had to specify to use UEFI first.
• 809[05:46:47] <mrrtump> I nuked box, and now its basic debian normal
• 810[05:46:54] <awal1> nothing happens :P
• 811[05:46:54] <somiaj> awal1: spice is better. But check xrandr.
• 812[05:47:03] <awal1> somiaj: ok
• 813[05:47:08] <mrrtump> everything is fine so I should probably not tinker, I just like swi prolog 7.2 on testing
• 814[05:47:13] <mrrtump> I am learning to program!
• 815[05:47:14] <mrrtump> :)
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• 817[05:47:29] <lindylex> somiaj: I noticed the Window Boot Manager there now when I select manual choosing what media to boot from. I did not notice this before.
• 818[05:47:43] <lindylex> dvs: Let me look into this,
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• 823[05:49:34] <jscoder> thinkpads often have model specific "features" that become quirks to work around. heh. this one, a t42 I panic if I try reboot/shutdown without the wifi firmware installed for example. thats why I checked thinkwiki when you mentioned the W520, but unfortunately I see no UEFI, EFI, Grub, or other related info for that model
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• 828[05:50:47] <lindylex> jscoder: the bios does have efi in it. Just not sure what to modify to get grub to work.
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• 833[05:52:20] <jscoder> lindylex: replaced-url
• 834[05:52:30] <jscoder> same hardware of course
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• 838[05:53:26] <jscoder> it says that grub install of UEFI is only possible if the installer is booted in EFI mode
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• 840[05:54:42] <dvs> jscoder, yes, and that is achieve by switching the UEFI option to boot UEFI first.
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• 845[05:56:47] <jscoder> dvs: well I would defer to those of you who have used it before. I
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• 847[05:57:19] <somiaj> lindylex: if the system is already isntalled you should be able to use the net-install, boot into efi mode and reinstall grub correctly
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• 850[05:57:48] <dvs> but lindylex needs to set that UEFI option first.
• 851[05:57:57] <dvs> so that it will boot into UEFI mode
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• 853[05:58:09] <lindylex> ?
• 854[05:58:36] <lindylex> somiaj: how?
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• 862[06:00:25] <somiaj> !fixmbr
• 863[06:00:25] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
• 864[06:00:33] <mrrtump> what must I add to sources.list to find firmware-linux-nonfree ?
• 865[06:00:55] <dvs> mrrtump, nonfree
• 866[06:01:08] <somiaj> mrrtump: replace 'main' at the end of the debian repo lines with 'main contrib non-free'
• 867[06:01:08] <dvs> !tell mrrtump about nonfree
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• 872[06:04:01] <mrrtump> r8169 video card
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• 881[06:08:31] <mrrtump> hmm still not find
• 882[06:08:32] <mrrtump> hmmmmmm
• 883[06:08:47] <missmbob> you have to apt-get update
• 884[06:08:50] <dvs> mrrtump, apt-get update first?
• 885[06:09:03] <mrrtump> 7.577713] [drm:radeon_pci_probe] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware-linux-nonfree
• 886[06:09:06] <mrrtump> yep
• 887[06:09:11] <mrrtump> its bitched a little
• 888[06:09:14] <mrrtump> let me pastebin
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• 890[06:09:16] <missmbob> did you reboot?
• 891[06:09:28] <mrrtump> no
• 892[06:09:33] <mrrtump> should I have?
• 893[06:09:37] <missmbob> yes
• 894[06:09:48] <mrrtump> why I didnt install anything
• 895[06:09:54] <missmbob> dude.
• 896[06:09:59] * missmbob walks away
• 897[06:10:01] <dvs> if it didn't install anything, it didn't work
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• 899[06:10:18] <mrrtump> whats your approved pastebin?
• 900[06:10:31] <dvs> !pastebin
• 901[06:10:31] <jscoder> paste.debian.net works, or any other really
• 902[06:10:31] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 903[06:12:05] <mrrtump> replaced-url
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• 905[06:12:42] <missmbob> non-free not nonfree
• 906[06:13:08] <jscoder> mrrtump: yes, you need the hyphen in non-free
• 907[06:13:14] <jscoder> then you need to apt-get update
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• 910[06:13:54] <dvs> then apt-get install
• 911[06:14:14] <jscoder> apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree
• 912[06:14:21] <dvs> yup
• 913[06:14:43] <mrrtump> working
• 914[06:14:48] <mrrtump> im a dolt as usual
• 915[06:14:51] <mrrtump> thx
• 916[06:15:11] <jscoder> its rather unfortunate that debian's policy makes that difficult to get during install, as its becomming required more and more for things
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• 919[06:15:38] <mrrtump> im so dyslexic
• 920[06:15:39] <dvs> we're already on RMS' bad side. ;-)
• 921[06:15:41] <mrrtump> lol
• 922[06:15:46] <mrrtump> aww really?
• 923[06:15:47] <jscoder> this old t42 as I said, will kernel panic if you try reboot or shutdown without the ipw2100 firmware installed
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• 925[06:15:53] <missmbob> it's not hard at all. iso's with firmware included are provided
• 926[06:16:36] <jscoder> dvs: well its not hard to get on RMS' bad side.. thats almost some kind of achievement
• 927[06:16:44] <mrrtump> deb replaced-url
• 928[06:16:48] <mrrtump> anyone see that?
• 929[06:16:54] <mrrtump> chrome was crashing on me
• 930[06:17:07] <dvs> mrrtump, yes, then you're running unstable
• 931[06:17:10] <missmbob> mrrtump: you should not go to unstable if you couldn't figure out non-free. that's not an insult
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• 933[06:17:25] <jscoder> most of the old hats in this FOSS world are really easy to piss off.. but RMS is probably the easiest
• 934[06:17:25] <missmbob> mrrtump: and we dont support unstable in this channel
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• 936[06:17:33] <mrrtump> well wahts funny is I am an experience redhat admin
• 937[06:17:51] <missmbob> has nothing to do with it
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• 939[06:17:56] <mrrtump> I I had figured it out last month but the dyslexic thing
• 940[06:18:11] <mrrtump> I wrote linux-firmware-nonfree
• 941[06:18:14] <mrrtump> goofy huh
• 942[06:18:25] <mrrtump> I also know 3 of the bsd
• 943[06:18:35] <mrrtump> I really want swi prolog 7.2
• 944[06:18:44] <mrrtump> I had the testing running last week
• 945[06:18:52] <mrrtump> then there wasa chrome update
• 946[06:18:59] <mrrtump> nuked box to freebsd 111
• 947[06:19:19] <mrrtump> freebsd didnt like my audio even though 11rc3 was fine with it 3 weeks ago
• 948[06:19:21] <mrrtump> madness
• 949[06:19:22] <missmbob> !ot
• 950[06:19:22] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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• 952[06:19:36] <jscoder> yes, and chrome isn't in debian
• 953[06:19:44] <mrrtump> chromium
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• 955[06:20:05] <mrrtump> what would rms have debian do? oh I get it no non free stuff
• 956[06:20:27] <mrrtump> wonder wht he would do with my desktop amd 965 6c3.3ghz 16g ram
• 957[06:20:44] <jscoder> rms would have us all use emacs and access the web through it via email
• 958[06:21:03] <mrrtump> the emacs web browser was terrible when I tried
• 959[06:21:11] <mrrtump> same as common lisp one
• 960[06:21:17] <mrrtump> like using dillo
• 961[06:21:48] <jscoder> dillo is ok, for some things.. real quick but doesn't play nice with the modern web at times
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• 965[06:22:56] <mrrtump> deb-src is for what?
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• 967[06:23:07] <jscoder> mrrtump: for downloading source packages.. code..
• 968[06:23:19] <mrrtump> does apt need to compile some things?
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• 970[06:23:36] <jscoder> mrrtump: no, not unless you want to.. this isn't gentoo, its a binary distro
• 971[06:23:51] <mrrtump> ok good then I can remove that line
• 972[06:23:58] <jscoder> mrrtump: kernel headers are the most that an average user would need for dkms, and thats all in the regular binary repos
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• 974[06:24:30] <mrrtump> maybe I will just chill with the base install debian
• 975[06:24:34] <mrrtump> it works nicely
• 976[06:24:41] <dvs> good call
• 977[06:25:11] <mrrtump> 8.6 is what jessie?
• 978[06:25:15] <jscoder> yes
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• 981[06:25:32] <mrrtump> Is there a way to check that?
• 982[06:25:41] <jscoder> cat /etc/debian_version
• 983[06:25:48] <mrrtump> /etc/debian_version just shows 8.6
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• 985[06:26:00] <mrrtump> not 'jessie'
• 986[06:26:04] <missmbob> lsb_release -a
• 987[06:26:14] <jscoder> yes thats generic, your apt sources and lsb_release is more specific
• 988[06:26:32] <dvs> dpkg -l libc6 is better.
• 989[06:26:32] <dpkg> ii libc6 is better. 2.9-15.3 dvs's private warez collection
• 990[06:26:36] <skibur> How do I install the Firefox fork Iceweasel? I have limitation on my laptop and Firefox-esr isn't cutting it for me.
• 991[06:26:42] <dvs> dang!
• 992[06:27:20] <dvs> skibur, iceweasel has been discontinued.
• 993[06:27:38] <jscoder> yeah that is a true test when you have people mixing sources, it tells you if they gone past that point of no return
• 994[06:27:57] <missmbob> skibur: get a newer firefox at replaced-url
• 995[06:28:09] <jscoder> if the libc6 is upgraded, you're irreversibly no longer stable
• 996[06:28:22] <skibur> dvs, Thanks
• 997[06:28:29] <skibur> missmbob, Thanks
• 998[06:28:35] <dvs> no problem
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• 1003[06:29:52] <jscoder> what, you don't like robot rolls?
• 1004[06:29:54] <jscoder> heh
• 1005[06:30:40] <jscoder> !dpkg botsnack
• 1006[06:30:40] <dpkg> jscoder: aw, gee
• 1007[06:30:53] <jscoder> the bot loves robot rolls
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• 1123[07:37:15] <awal1> A general qdebian question, not stable specific: how to make apt & apt-get show why x pkg is going to be removed or non upgradable as aptitude does, instead of just automatically hold it or promting the removal?
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• 1126[07:38:05] <awal1> durring upgrades, I meant
• 1127[07:38:21] <themill> awal1: alias apt=aptitude
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• 1130[07:38:34] <awal1> or simply apt/apt-get doesn't have that feature?
• 1131[07:38:42] <awal1> themill, I dont get you
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• 1134[07:39:35] <awal1> apt=aptitude ?
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• 1136[07:39:44] <themill> !alias
• 1137[07:39:44] <dpkg> Bash alias? Do 'help alias' and read 'man bash', also see your ~/.bash_profile and ~/.bashrc for examples of aliases.
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• 1139[07:39:59] <themill> (apt-get does not have this feature)
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• 1143[07:41:27] <bitslice> Anyone know where to get a "whois" bin that is updated with new gTLDs?
• 1144[07:41:44] <awal1> themill, ok. so apt-get doesn't have that feature. I'll check alias stuff. thanks
• 1145[07:42:01] <themill> awal1: you don't actually want to alias it like that...
• 1146[07:42:09] <somiaj> awal1: don't check alias stuff. All that would do is make it so apititude is called everytime you type apt
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• 1148[07:42:18] <somiaj> awal1: i.e. bash would think apt=aptitude
• 1149[07:42:20] <awal1> themill, I have no clue about it, in fact :P
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• 1154[07:44:38] <awal1> somiaj: for call aptitude when executing apt, I just use for example: apt=aptitude update or apt=aptitude list --upgradeable ?
• 1155[07:44:43] <awal1> excuses my clueless
• 1156[07:45:08] <themill> no, just use aptitude when you want aptitude
• 1157[07:45:17] <themill> forget that I ever mentioned aliases
• 1158[07:45:37] <awal1> hmmm
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• 1170[07:50:18] <awal1> ok, I got it, checking a few docs :)
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• 1172[07:50:38] <themill> no, really. It was a joke. You don't want to do that.
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• 1174[07:51:36] <awal1> themill, well, if i want to call aptitude i'll just use aptitude , no need of an alias (apt caling aptitude), it like stupid :P :D
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• 1176[07:51:53] <awal1> but fine, I learned about alias :)
• 1177[07:52:00] <themill> :)
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• 1179[07:53:27] <awal1> but it's interesting. since now i'll create a lot of aliases for long commands I usually run :P
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• 1181[07:54:06] <awal1> themill, the joke was so productive :P
• 1182[07:54:07] <themill> and the typos you normally make
• 1183[07:54:20] <awal1> yea
• 1184[07:54:30] <themill> alias gerp=grep
• 1185[07:55:02] <awal1> ;)
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• 1201[08:00:47] <ANTIpsychiatry> psychiatry is is IS IS fraud !!!!!!!!!!!!! psychiatry IS a FAKE SCIENCE !!!!!!!! THIS IS psychiatry! Dont take any pills from this FAKE science!!!! Dont trust also, in police&secret service
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• 1203[08:01:43] <mrrtump> tru
• 1204[08:01:52] <mrrtump> cut all tax money 4 it
• 1205[08:02:01] <mrrtump> ban lawsits based on it
• 1206[08:02:02] <ANTIpsychiatry> Where u from.
• 1207[08:02:07] <mrrtump> boston
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• 1211[08:02:33] <ANTIpsychiatry> I am now in israel Ramat Gan
• 1212[08:02:57] <ANTIpsychiatry> Police here are criminals.
• 1213[08:03:10] <ANTIpsychiatry> They wanted guess
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• 1229[08:07:51] <xVim> Hi! I don't understand something about the Debian ecosystem: Sometimes I need up-to-date software, e.g. KMyMoney to do SEPA transactions. If I am running Debian stable there are only old versions of this package, and there is no backported version of it either. So my only option is to update to Testing or sid. But then I lose security updates. On the other hand other distributions based on Debian offer the
• 1230[08:07:52] <xVim> up-to-date package of KMyMoney. So how are they able to handle security updates when Debian is not able to?
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• 1232[08:08:21] <somiaj> xVim: or you build your own package.
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• 1234[08:08:51] <somiaj> xVim: I build just that software. One thing outside of debian is easy to matain usually. Debian works well with standard ./configure, make, make install scripts
• 1235[08:09:08] <themill> It may well be a flawed assumption that they are providing security support too
• 1236[08:09:10] <awal1> somiaj: finally, i found that, as you said, xrandr solves the problem with qemu-kvm not adjusting the guest os to the size of the vm window. thanks for the tip ;)
• 1237[08:09:14] <xVim> somiaj: Oh okay I didn't know that works.
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• 1239[08:10:31] <awal1> looks like a bug or a missing feature in virt-manager, not having access to the wall capabilities of kvm
• 1240[08:10:42] <awal1> whole ^
• 1241[08:10:46] <xVim> themill: I of course doubt that they have good security practices (the last thing I remember was the Mint desaster) but I wanted to ask anyway.
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• 1244[08:11:50] <xVim> somiaj: When I build software on my own, do I then have to build all dependencies as well? Won't this interfere with my normal installed packages?
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• 1246[08:12:23] <somiaj> xVim: only if the libaries in jessie are not the correct version to build.
• 1247[08:12:32] <themill> xVim: in this case, you can probably just rebuild the libalkimia and kmymoney source packages
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• 1253[08:14:04] <xVim> somiaj, themill: Thanks for the guidance, I am glad there is a path for me now without losing security updates. I only knew using backports so far. Guess I'll build these packages now :)
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• 1255[08:14:24] <somiaj> xVim: note you are responsability for any security updates on the software you backport.
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• 1257[08:15:49] <themill> xVim: you can build your own backports relatively easily. That a maintainer has spent time working out what build-dependencies you require is a huge advantage
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• 1261[08:17:44] <mrrtump> use apt or you are apt 2 hav problem
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• 1263[08:18:15] <missmbob> ssb is a save, supported method
• 1264[08:18:17] <missmbob> safe*
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• 1267[08:21:25] <jaggz> is there an easy way to see the dependency chain that installs something installed when I installed a package?
• 1268[08:21:50] <jaggz> (I installed "meld" and it ends up also installing gnome-user-guide.. not a big deal, just curious what caused it.. irritating)
• 1269[08:22:57] <awal1> jaggz, it's maybe a part of recommended pkgs
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• 1271[08:23:15] <jaggz> awal1, does apt-get install throw in recommended?
• 1272[08:23:16] <somiaj> aptitude why packagename (after it is installed) can help
• 1273[08:23:33] <jaggz> there it is
• 1274[08:23:58] <mrrtump> dont use gnome
• 1275[08:24:01] <mrrtump> use iceWM
• 1276[08:24:05] <awal1> jaggz, well, meld recommends yelp and yel recommends gnome user guide
• 1277[08:24:05] <jaggz> I'm not.. using kde
• 1278[08:24:09] <mrrtump> icewm and chrome are awesome
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• 1280[08:24:11] <mrrtump> on linux
• 1281[08:24:14] <xVim> For software I build on my own: Is there a tool available that I can install that notifies me about security updates, pulls the new code and triggers a rebuild? So that I don't have to subscribe to the vulnerability lists, read that and rebuild manually each time?
• 1282[08:24:23] <mrrtump> git
• 1283[08:24:40] <mrrtump> dont worry about security theater
• 1284[08:24:45] <missmbob> xVim: no
• 1285[08:24:56] <somiaj> xVim: manually each time.
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• 1287[08:25:50] <awal1> jaggz, as somiaj told you, aptitude why pkgX helps, mark it as manually installed and remove it
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• 1289[08:26:11] <xVim> missmbob, somiaj: Not what I hoped for, but ok. I guess that is the price you have to pay to use newer software.
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• 1293[08:27:07] <miksuh> Would some developer please check this out and fix the problem. First of all, I am blind so it is difficult for me to ttryy to figure out what is causing this. I have to use screen reader both on desktop and on console, so it is important that screen reader works reliably. I use Debian Stretch. I use Orca and espeak on desktop and espeakup and espeak on console. I use GM and Gnome desktop. The problem is this: If I go to console
• 1294[08:27:07] <miksuh> screen reader works just fine, but when I go to back to GDM login screen or to desktop then screen reader stops speaking. Screen reader works just fine on desktop and GDM as long I do not go to console, but if I go to console and then back to GDM or desktop then screen reader does not work anymore on desktop and GDM. Exactly same happens if espeakup speaks some text, e.g. error message during the system bootup. If it says something
• 1295[08:27:08] <miksuh> when system is booting then screen reader says nothing in GDM login screen and on desktop. THis is really not good. I actually am not sure if it is just screen reader which stops working or maybe audio on GDM and desktop stops to work completely.I do not know if this is problem in espeakup, espeak, pulseaudio, orca, gdm or in something else. I did install latest pulseaudio updates today, but that did not help. thanks inadvance.
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• 1300[08:28:09] <awal1> jaggz, check pkg description (apt-cache show/aptitude show) and find what it recommends and in what it depends. also you can use apt-cache depends/rdepends. if not interested by the recommended pkgs, use apt-get --no-recommends install pkgname
• 1301[08:28:38] <jaggz> awal1, thanks :)
• 1302[08:29:49] <awal1> jaggz, do you check what is being installed when you install stuff?
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• 1304[08:30:16] <awal1> apt/apt-get/aptitude prompts you about that
• 1305[08:30:18] <jaggz> just glance through.. it's usually not important enough to fiddle with it.. but --no-recommends might come in handy sometimes
• 1306[08:30:35] <awal1> or you just say yes yes yes and next next next in windows ? :P
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• 1308[08:30:50] <jaggz> yeah I usually just apt-get install and agree
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• 1310[08:31:45] <jaggz> never noticed all the recommended packages come in too, and it's likely I'd just lose wanted features if I no-rec too frequently (without much investigation)
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• 1348[08:49:40] <awal1> jaggz, apt-get --no-install-recommends install pkgname
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• 1395[09:12:50] <Iota> Good morning, world!
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• 1486[09:49:46] <linuxnewbie2016> hi. I mount, as root, my windows-share via: mount -t cifs -o username=guest,uid=root,gid=root //192.168.1.55/myshare /mnt
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• 1488[09:50:00] <linuxnewbie2016> I can access the folders. but mkdir shows me "permission denied"
• 1489[09:50:03] <linuxnewbie2016> what can I do?
• 1490[09:50:16] <missmbob> dont mount as root
• 1491[09:50:34] <linuxnewbie2016> it is on a live-systems that only has root :-)
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• 1493[09:50:54] <missmbob> then you're not using debian
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• 1498[09:52:27] <linuxnewbie2016> ?? I am running a debian live cd. "normal" user gets message mount: only root can use "--options" option
• 1499[09:53:03] <missmbob> you could just chown/chmod the hell out of /mnt
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• 1502[09:54:09] <linuxnewbie2016> I did chmod 777 to mnt... but still get permission denied when trying mkdir
• 1503[09:54:20] <missmbob> -R
• 1504[09:54:40] <linuxnewbie2016> before or after mounting?
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• 1506[09:55:43] <linuxnewbie2016> chmod: changing permissions of ‘/mnt’: Permission denied
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• 1509[09:56:02] <missmbob> you used sudo?
• 1510[09:56:08] <linuxnewbie2016> no.. working as root
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• 1520[09:58:21] <linuxnewbie2016> i am so sorry.. it was a "f***ing" windows problem.. .it now works.. sorry for the work
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• 1553[10:15:32] <howdyman> what would happen if I type "systemctl stop networking"
• 1554[10:15:59] <OpenTokix> howdyman: If your normal user nothing, if you do it as root your networking will stop.
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• 1559[10:18:41] <howdyman> OpenTokix: I just did it on server and now I cannot ssh
• 1560[10:18:43] <howdyman> What should I do?
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• 1562[10:19:08] <OpenTokix> howdyman: Take a trip to your server, and write systemctl start networking
• 1563[10:19:16] <howdyman> lol
• 1564[10:19:23] <howdyman> Cannot they just reboot the server?
• 1565[10:19:30] <howdyman> its located in Sweden
• 1566[10:19:33] <howdyman> I am in Srilanka??
• 1567[10:19:52] <OpenTokix> howdyman: Why should someone else fix your mess for you? - Yes you can reboot the server.
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• 1570[10:20:55] <missmbob> howdyman: never do something as root without being certain of what it will do.
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• 1572[10:21:36] <OpenTokix> missmbob: He was certain, he just did it anyway
• 1573[10:21:46] <missmbob> oh then he's an idiot
• 1574[10:21:48] <howdyman> missmbob: I was trying to fix Ipv6 tunnel
• 1575[10:21:48] <howdyman> :D
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• 1602[10:38:31] <tehfreakjoe> oh boy ;) i bought asus pc 702vm , happens that brightness and backlight dont function well on debian , anyone got a cool fancy outstanding app for the job ?
• 1603[10:38:37] <tehfreakjoe> laptop
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• 1608[10:40:12] <tehfreakjoe> ohh tks pvt
• 1609[10:40:17] <tehfreakjoe> anyone ?
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• 1613[10:44:50] <babilen> You really have to provide more information about the "don't function well" part
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• 1615[10:45:16] <babilen> And this is normally a matter of hotkeys not doing what they should or are expected to or your GPU driver not implementing the necessary functionality
• 1616[10:45:25] <babilen> As always: What have you tried so far?
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• 1633[10:55:56] <tehfreakjoe> babilen: Dead keys
• 1634[10:56:07] <tehfreakjoe> babilen: nothing at all
• 1635[10:56:15] <tehfreakjoe> i dont know where to start !!!!
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• 1642[11:00:55] <Mahe> tehfreakjoe: which desktop environment are you using?
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• 1648[11:04:38] <tehfreakjoe> Mahe: cinnamon
• 1649[11:04:42] <tehfreakjoe> thank you
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• 1653[11:05:20] <leexius> mahe:openbox
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• 1656[11:06:29] <oktoknight> xfce
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• 1658[11:06:35] <leexius> or gnome
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• 1661[11:06:50] <leexius> or i3, depends on the pc
• 1662[11:07:05] <tehfreakjoe> woot ?
• 1663[11:07:09] <tehfreakjoe> are you joking me
• 1664[11:07:18] <tehfreakjoe> who are you helping anyways
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• 1666[11:07:24] <_Nox> Hello
• 1667[11:07:26] <oktoknight> on the oldest PC you can use tmux as a proto-DE
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• 1671[11:08:10] <leexius> oktoknight, wouldn't that just make a terminal?
• 1672[11:08:14] <Mahe> tehfreakjoe: don't mind them, apparently they failed to notice that the question was directed at you regarding your problem :D
• 1673[11:08:50] <leexius> Mahe, sorry I didn't see that, just came back home and saw that question
• 1674[11:09:36] <Mahe> no worries, it's alright - just wanted to calm tehfreakjoe
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• 1676[11:10:03] <Mahe> tehfreakjoe: I don't have much experience with cinnamon however brightness should work there - seems like it's not recognizing the buttons
• 1677[11:10:08] <oktoknight> leexius: it would. Splitted terminal is the best for old PC
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• 1679[11:10:32] <oktoknight> links for browser and fbi to open pictures without DE
• 1680[11:10:41] <leexius> oktoknight, yeah I agree
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• 1683[11:11:29] <tehfreakjoe> anyone know how to
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• 1685[11:11:42] <tehfreakjoe> brightness and backlight dont function well on debian , anyone got a cool fancy outstanding app for the job ?
• 1686[11:11:57] <tehfreakjoe> asus gl702vm
• 1687[11:12:01] <tehfreakjoe> tkstkstks
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• 1689[11:12:29] <Mahe> tehfreakjoe: is brightness and backlight the same or are talking about display and keyboard backlight?
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• 1691[11:12:34] <tehfreakjoe> omg
• 1692[11:12:40] <tehfreakjoe> Function keys
• 1693[11:12:44] <tehfreakjoe> F1..F12
• 1694[11:12:48] <tehfreakjoe> they dead
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• 1699[11:13:40] <themill> Poking around in "/sys/class/backlight/*/brightness" can be a starting point but it sounds like you've got other keymap problem to fix first
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• 1702[11:14:05] <Mahe> tehfreakjoe: so, are their normal mapping (actual F1 .. F12 mapping, e.g. for Alt+F2) not working or is the special mapping (volume, display brightness etc.) not working?
• 1703[11:14:23] <tehfreakjoe> normal
• 1704[11:14:24] <tehfreakjoe> yeah
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• 1707[11:14:50] <Mahe> tehfreakjoe: now I'm confused, didn't you just complain that brightness control is not working?
• 1708[11:14:50] <huwjr> someone please hjalp!! has anyone successfully got a Win 2016 guest running on Debian KVM?
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• 1717[11:20:09] <molavy> hi
• 1718[11:20:18] <hramrach> hello
• 1719[11:20:25] <molavy> what is the problem of this dns resolving
• 1720[11:20:26] <molavy> replaced-url
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• 1722[11:21:28] <hramrach> when I build a package with .shlibs it has symbols declared for version like x.y.z so packages linking with it depend on <package> (>= x.y.z)
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• 1724[11:22:27] <hramrach> but when I build a snapshot like x.y.z~git.blah the shlibs still say x.y.z and the snapshot does not fulfill >= x.y.z
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• 1726[11:22:41] <hramrach> hence packages built against the snapshot are uninstallable
• 1727[11:22:51] <hramrach> at least that's how I think it happens
• 1728[11:22:59] <hramrach> any way to fix that?
• 1729[11:23:30] <hramrach> is manually editing the shilbs file adding a ~ advisable? or something else?
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• 1731[11:25:45] <hramrach> s/shlibs/symbols/
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• 1739[11:29:35] <[1]paloema123> hey, anyone here with a hand? newbie and trying to remove a autostart script. auth.log tells me: Nov 28 10:24:41 raspberrypi sudo: pi : TTY=pts/1 ; PWD=/home/pi ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/python /home/pi/dash.py
• 1740[11:29:46] <[1]paloema123> this after loggin in via putty
• 1741[11:30:32] <OpenTokix> [1]paloema123: This is raspbian I assume. Look in .profile .bashrc .login in the ~ of user pi
• 1742[11:31:05] <[1]paloema123> OpenTokix, yes it is. how do I look there?
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• 1746[11:32:05] <OpenTokix> [1]paloema123: ssh pi@host cat .bashrc
• 1747[11:32:09] <OpenTokix> should work
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• 1749[11:32:19] <OpenTokix> [1]paloema123: but this channel is for debian, and not raspbian
• 1750[11:32:39] <[1]paloema123> ok, total newbie to all this stuff. is there a raspbian channel?
• 1751[11:33:02] <[1]paloema123> yes it is, going over there then. thanks for your input
• 1752[11:33:31] <odish> hi, .bashrc script handles the prompt coloring in ssh right? i got the same script as root user (which has the colors) but my user doesn't seem to use them
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• 1774[11:48:27] <molavy> there is no idea about this problem
• 1775[11:48:28] <molavy> replaced-url
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• 1778[11:50:26] <ElinKattunge> Hi
• 1779[11:50:43] <OpenTokix> ElinKattunge best name
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• 1781[11:51:22] <ElinKattunge> replaced-url
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• 1783[11:51:29] <ElinKattunge> OpenTokix: Thank you! :)
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• 1785[11:52:32] <OpenTokix> ElinKattunge: apt-get install -f and if that dont work, disable to apt-source for documentserver and apt-get clean && apt-get update && apt-get install -f
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• 1787[11:53:05] <OpenTokix> ElinKattunge: apt-get install -f should fix your problem
• 1788[11:53:37] <OpenTokix> ElinKattunge: and also the output from journalctl -xn would be helpful. Might be some error in the nginx-config that prevents the dpkg to get done.
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• 1790[11:54:14] <ElinKattunge> OpenTokix: Already tried those options
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• 1793[11:54:47] <OpenTokix> ElinKattunge: I assume the config for the documentserver is broken then
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• 1804[12:00:21] <huwjr> someone please hjalp!! has anyone successfully got a Win 2016 guest running on Debian KVM? i just get the windows splash screen, no spinner, no install options…
• 1805[12:01:04] <OpenTokix> huwjr: It depends on the version you are trying to install. If your install media is OEM, it will never boot virtualized.
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• 1807[12:01:36] <huwjr> install media was from the windows licence centre crap
• 1808[12:01:49] <huwjr> managed to boot and install the same iso (with the same checksum) on a virtualbox machine
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• 1810[12:02:42] <huwjr> tried putting everything on IDE bus, so i didn’t have to contend with virtio drivers
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• 1813[12:05:31] <huwjr> do you, or anyone here, have some working XML from a windows 10 or server 2016 machine i can take a look at on pastebin? :)
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• 1817[12:08:45] <Oscar-> Hello! When intentionally triggering a stack buffer overflow on a recent Debian Wheezy and a recent Debian Jessie, both detect it. On Wheezy it is however not logged to the dmesg log or Syslog (works on Jessie). How could I achieve that?
• 1818[12:09:47] <ElinKattunge> huwjr: Weird
• 1819[12:10:00] <ElinKattunge> Windows usually works out the box with KVM
• 1820[12:10:04] <huwjr> spent 2-3 days on this :(
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• 1822[12:10:20] <huwjr> needed to be done, today really :p
• 1823[12:10:21] <huwjr> lol
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• 1827[12:11:25] <huwjr> if anyone has a 2016 (or even a working 2012) xml they could share i’d appreciate it..
• 1828[12:11:27] <OpenTokix> huwjr: you can also try switching chipset. The default one for kvm is PXII or whatever - there is some other versions to.
• 1829[12:11:44] <huwjr> I use PXII on virtualbox and that seems to work
• 1830[12:11:56] <huwjr> so i didn’t bother… any suggestions on others to try? think i tried a handful already.
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• 1833[12:12:14] <huwjr> i’ve run through about 50 different definitions so i’m kinda forgetting what i’ve tried now..
• 1834[12:12:15] <OpenTokix> huwjr: Also switch from spice to vnc
• 1835[12:12:21] <OpenTokix> huwjr: know the feeling
• 1836[12:12:24] <huwjr> vnc already.
• 1837[12:12:37] <huwjr> this machine is as vanilla as i can make it
• 1838[12:13:09] <OpenTokix> huwjr: And video hardware? cirrus or something else? usually vmvga or whatever the name is, from vmware works very well on many comercial os:es
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• 1840[12:13:26] <huwjr> think it’s cirrus
• 1841[12:13:26] <huwjr> sec
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• 1846[12:15:19] <huwjr> currently vga but definitely tried cirrus - lemme try again
• 1847[12:15:47] <huwjr> tried machine= pc-i440fx-2.1 , pc , pc-1.1
• 1848[12:15:48] <huwjr> among others
• 1849[12:15:52] <huwjr> 2mins
• 1850[12:15:57] <huwjr> (and thanks for suggestions)
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• 1873[12:25:05] <huwjr> tried cirrus, vmvga, vga
• 1874[12:25:11] <huwjr> no luck
• 1875[12:25:31] <huwjr> tried rtl8139 and e1000 (as according to the MS website it requires a gigabit nic.)
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• 1882[12:29:16] <huwjr> fuck my life
• 1883[12:29:22] <huwjr> i tried PC-1.1 again and it’s booted
• 1884[12:29:23] <huwjr> HURRAH!
• 1885[12:29:37] <huwjr> apols for swears. thanks for your help
• 1886[12:29:44] <huwjr> needed fresh eyes
• 1887[12:29:46] <huwjr> :)
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• 1908[12:38:26] <mikidep> Hello everybody
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• 1910[12:38:54] <mikidep> Does anyone know of any ongoing problems with the official repositories?
• 1911[12:39:21] <mikidep> The connection seems to be rather inconsistent
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• 1920[12:46:12] <zophyx> is there a nouveau driver for debian jesse that will use the Maxwell chip ?
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• 2015[13:31:25] <Oscar-> Does anybody know how a detected stack overflow could be automatically logged to kernel log or syslog?
• 2016[13:32:18] <OpenTokix> Oscar-: use the logger utility
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• 2043[13:47:22] <rudi_s> Oscar-: The segfault will be logged.
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• 2097[14:22:51] <Oscar-> rudi_s, you are actually right. My test was wrong. It seems depends on the amount of bytes overflowing, what is happening: just a few bytes will lead to "stack smashing detected" message on the console with a trace, but no dmesg message/logging at all. a few bytes more lead to a "stack smashing detected" message without a trace and logging of a "segfault". still a few more will lead to logging of a "general protection".
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• 2101[14:25:15] <rudi_s> Oscar-: Ah, yeah. aborts() don't get logged which is what should happend with stack protection.
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• 2135[14:44:27] <g00se1> Getting something like 'a job is running' while booting and this delays booting by minutes. How do i find out what's causing it?
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• 2192[15:14:05] <Iridos> g00se1, possibly systemd-analyze
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• 2194[15:14:28] <g00se1> Ah OK
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• 2201[15:16:55] <g00se1> I'll check it out. As replaced-url
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• 2211[15:19:27] <g00se1> Iridos: I don't suppose i can do that on a disk that isn't 'running' can i (through systemd files)?
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• 2213[15:20:13] <Iridos> no idea… I boot so rarely… I just know it exists… and ran the "plot" option a moment ago and had a look at the 2m wide boot svg plot
• 2214[15:21:02] <Iridos> try to chroot into the disk and use it… I'd guess it's somehow populated from log data
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• 2217[15:23:29] <Iridos> mmh. but possibly using some weird mechanism for it via dbus or a socket … yes… it's opening a socket
• 2218[15:23:59] <Iridos> … /run/systemd/private
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• 2223[15:25:11] <Iridos> g00se1, the debian wiki page links to this: replaced-url
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• 2238[15:36:33] <tehfreakjoe> hi dudes
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• 2241[15:36:52] <tehfreakjoe> =)
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• 2243[15:37:24] <eugenmayer> Hello, iam not able to explain why this pinning is not working: replaced-url
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• 2248[15:38:14] <eugenmayer> ( i am following this guide replaced-url
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• 2265[15:46:58] <yokisuci> Hm
• 2266[15:47:07] <yokisuci> 4 + 4 / 3
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• 2268[15:47:19] * yokisuci this
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• 2271[15:47:36] <yokisuci> Sry, had to check if the calc thing in irssi did work. ^^
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• 2279[15:51:33] <tehfreakjoe> how do i remove Warning: and Errors: from apt ?
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• 2286[15:52:18] <jhutchins> tehfreakjoe: Why would you do that? They're there for a reason.
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• 2288[15:52:47] <tehfreakjoe> W: Falhou obter replaced-url
• 2289[15:52:57] <tehfreakjoe> in ingles is failed to get
• 2290[15:53:12] <tehfreakjoe> its a warning i know but i wanna get ride of it
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• 2295[15:53:47] <tehfreakjoe> Do you understand jhutchins
• 2296[15:53:51] <tehfreakjoe> :D
• 2297[15:53:59] <jhutchins> tehfreakjoe: What does that URL have to do with Debian?
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• 2299[15:54:40] <tehfreakjoe> i copied by mistake
• 2300[15:54:45] <jhutchins> tehfreakjoe: The obvious answer is to remove that repository from your sources.list, but the fact that you are connecting to an opensuse repository for Ubuntu suggests you have other, more serious problems.
• 2301[15:54:58] <tehfreakjoe> yeh
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• 2313[15:59:41] <tehfreakjoe> btw jhutchins, i know there is an app , to emulate F1..F12 keys FN key is dead atm here, from a asus laptop repuplic of gamers, do you know what i mean?
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• 2315[15:59:51] <tehfreakjoe> i fixed the last program doing what you told me
• 2316[15:59:56] <tehfreakjoe> apt-get fixed :P
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• 2321[16:02:14] <Ke> tehfreakjoe: you can change your keymap using xev, and xmodmap/xkbcomp
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• 2324[16:02:50] <jhutchins> tehfreakjoe: Not all function keys are supported. You would have to search for your model and find out if there is a package for it.
• 2325[16:03:01] <jhutchins> tehfreakjoe: WHat release are you running?
• 2326[16:03:11] <tehfreakjoe> jessie
• 2327[16:03:27] <tehfreakjoe> model is gl702vm i use google.com to seach and didnt find nothing
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• 2331[16:06:12] <centrx> well at least you didn't find nothing
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• 2337[16:09:46] <tehfreakjoe> are you mad ?
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• 2339[16:11:01] <g00se1> Iridos: Closing in: nothing much comes of systemd-analyze but this is in dmesg:
• 2340[16:11:01] <g00se1> [ 2.043620] systemd[1]: Expecting device dev-disk-by\x2duuid-fa815d73\x2dc26d\x2d4032\x2daa79\x2d78dee47ad01e.device...
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• 2342[16:11:57] <g00se1> That corresponds with the 'A job is running for ..' message at boot time, which hangs the boot for a couple of minutes
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• 2368[16:20:52] <jhutchins> g00se1: How about th4e full text of that message?
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• 2372[16:21:19] <jhutchins> g00se1: Mine does that, it's usually LSB Networking.
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• 2377[16:22:20] <g00se1> You mean the 'A job is running..' thing?
• 2378[16:22:43] <jhutchins> g00se1: Yes.
• 2379[16:23:31] <g00se1> Ah. Trouble is, it's gone now ;) I'd have to write it down next time. I'm thinking it could be to do with a swap partition
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• 2383[16:25:59] <g00se1> The weird thing is, under jessie and this includes the machine i'm typing this on, it seems that the partition designated as swap is not being used ..?
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• 2388[16:27:01] <g00se1> mount | grep sda4 returns nothing. That's the swap partition
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• 2391[16:28:24] <coincoin169> Hi all, I am trying to install Debian Jessie on a metal bare IBM Power8, I use a usb stick. When I choose "Default install" It launches the install but I get a black screen. Nothing is displayed. I think I have to add some kernel boot options but I don't know which ones. Have you any experience with that ?
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• 2396[16:29:28] <PorkCharSui> Hello... Can anyone direct me to somewhere I can get help with "partman" (preseeded partitioning on Debian)?
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• 2404[16:31:37] <PorkCharSui> I have a machine with an NVME disk and I can't get my partman-recipe to only create a partition of the size I want... It always uses the entire disk instead?
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• 2437[16:41:15] <coincoin169> Anyone with experience on IBM Power8 ?
• 2438[16:42:00] <tehfreakjoe> me
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• 2441[16:42:07] <tehfreakjoe> what do you wanna know :P
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• 2447[16:43:29] <PorkCharSui> Why is partman so very badly documented? I can find almost nothing on it... only some very basic instructions. Nowhere are all the options listed... please help!
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• 2450[16:44:34] <jusss> is anyone using chromium here? do you meet a case like typing so slow in address bar?
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• 2454[16:45:10] <g00se1> >>swapon failed: Device or resource busy<< Why would that happen? It's not in use afaik
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• 2458[16:45:22] <jusss> there's 5 seconds lag when I type in address bar
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• 2460[16:45:50] <g00se1> jusss: probably some sort of Google snooping ;)
• 2461[16:46:03] <coincoin169> tehfreakjoe: I got a balck screen trying to install debian jessie on IBM POWER8
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• 2465[16:46:24] <coincoin169> tehfreakjoe: I think I need to add kernel boot parameters but which ones?
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• 2467[16:46:38] <g00se1> (they might call it a search facility)
• 2468[16:46:56] <jusss> g00se1: I search that, and I found it's about skia stuff
• 2469[16:47:17] <jhutchins> g00se1: Swap doesn't mount.
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• 2471[16:48:10] <jhutchins> g00se1: Memory utils like top will show that swap is in use.
• 2472[16:48:15] <tehfreakjoe> coincoin169: nomodesrt
• 2473[16:48:18] <tehfreakjoe> nomodeset
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• 2475[16:48:24] <tehfreakjoe> and you done
• 2476[16:48:25] <coincoin169> ok trying right now
• 2477[16:48:34] <tehfreakjoe> your verry welcome
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• 2479[16:49:14] <password4> urg
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• 2481[16:49:38] <password4> that moment when you run software you just installed and it crashes
• 2482[16:50:10] <coincoin169> tehfreakjoe: after the "---" ?
• 2483[16:50:19] <jhutchins> g00se1: swapon -s will show swap usage by device.
• 2484[16:50:23] <g00se1> jhutchins: swapon -v shows me that on this machine is ok
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• 2487[16:51:28] <g00se1> But on the problem device, it won't allow itself to be used : replaced-url
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• 2489[16:51:49] <g00se1> That's the one with the 'A job is running' prob
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• 2491[16:52:10] <g00se1> And it gives the UUID of that swap partition
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• 2500[16:53:51] <coincoin169> tehfreakjoe: when I do edit on the boot options "Default install" I have "Boot arguments : --- quiet"
• 2501[16:54:00] <coincoin169> tehfreakjoe: Do I keep the '---' ?
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• 2510[16:56:36] <tehfreakjoe> nono
• 2511[16:56:42] <tehfreakjoe> you can remove it
• 2512[16:56:48] <tehfreakjoe> "---"
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• 2518[16:57:28] <g00se1> jhutchins: what would stop a swap partition being used/usable?
• 2519[16:57:59] <jhutchins> g00se1: Interesting. Probably some confusion in the systemd swap config (aprops swap will show you where to look). You could try removing and recreating it. Is that 8GB? That's a lot of swap, especially if you have other swap available.
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• 2525[16:59:38] <g00se1> Oops! The swap IS being used actually but it's also the partition that's stopping proper boot
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• 2847[17:26:29] <ggwp1337> Hello
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• 2850[17:27:35] <ggwp1337> I got some Issues duing apt-get update on my Debian, i can't remember for how long it have stood on, but I'd like if someone can tell me what to do, so it will be fixed.my errors are in this Pastebin replaced-url
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• 2859[17:30:37] <ksk> ggwp1337: this is #debian, please go to #ubuntu if you need help using ubuntu
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• 2861[17:30:47] <ksk> or, if you use debian, you should never use ubuntu ppa repositories
• 2862[17:30:50] <ggwp1337> ksk, I am using a Debian machine
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• 2864[17:31:04] <ggwp1337> Well, guess I made a mistake then
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• 2867[17:31:38] <pcfreak30> Having a weird file permissions issue. I got one folder solved but not sure exact culprit. apache is running under replaced-url
• 2868[17:31:43] <n4dir> i guess your guess is right.
• 2869[17:31:48] <ksk> You can problably just remove them, I would think there is no "ppa.launchpad.net/mkusb/ppa/ubuntu/dists/jessie" and there never was.
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• 2872[17:32:06] <pcfreak30> im running a web shell to test through the web server process
• 2873[17:32:16] <ggwp1337> ksk, What do you mean?
• 2874[17:32:39] <ksk> pcfreak30: you are doing it wrong. also dont use 777. did you check user replaced-url
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• 2877[17:33:07] <ksk> ggwp1337: I mean you should remove these ppa entries from your apt configuration (either in /etc/apt/sources.list or in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*) and things should be fine
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• 2882[17:33:40] <pcfreak30> ksk: i know 777 is bad just experimenting
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• 2888[17:35:24] <pcfreak30> ksk: i just ran chmod +x from the user home down to public_html
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• 2897[17:40:12] <pcfreak30> ksk: What else should i check
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• 2899[17:40:39] <ksk> does chmod +x give it to others? dont think so..
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• 2902[17:41:28] <ksk> pcfreak30: try a "su -s /bin/bash replaced-url
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• 2906[17:41:54] <pcfreak30> ksk: chmod a+x and chmod o+x too
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• 2909[17:42:38] <pcfreak30> ksk: i understand linux perms pretty well and i know to try that. i was using a web shell to test instead. just dont know what im misssing
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• 2912[17:45:37] <ggwp1337> ksk, I've gotten almost everything i have one thing left
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• 2932[17:56:29] <sgflt> i'm trying to disable the login prompt on tty1 (the one that shows "HOSTNAME login: ") so that i can run another program there. however i am unsure how to do that.
• 2933[17:56:32] <sgflt> any advice?
• 2934[17:56:36] <_abc_> Hello. What are the steps to connect a Bluetooth mic+earpiece device to wheezy or newer linux? Assuming I have a working BT adapter (usb) in it already. I can't see an easy howto. Is there one?
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• 2938[17:57:58] <centrx> sgflt: the program that handles the login is called 'login', I forget how to change it
• 2939[17:58:06] <sgflt> centrx: didn't that change with systemd?
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• 2941[17:58:45] <centrx> sgflt: I still see /bin/login running on my machine, but I don't see getty, so maybe systemd-logind replaces getty
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• 2947[17:59:46] <sgflt> there's a getty@tty1.service running and such. i'm just not entirely sure which is which. my program starts (currently, it just prints a string every second), but after about 3 seconds, it gets "replaced" by the login prompt
• 2948[18:00:07] <sgflt> i'm not sure if getty is the thing that enables the tty1 at all or responsible for the prompt
• 2949[18:00:13] <centrx> sgflt: This has some info (though it's about Arch) - replaced-url
• 2950[18:00:28] <sgflt> ah, thanks
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• 2954[18:01:31] <halt> Hi All, is there any "easy" way to build a custom live CD ( maybe with persistent storage if possible) where I need to customize at least the keyboard layout, location settings and installed packages ? ( any if possible, user dotfiles like bashrc and etc )
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• 2956[18:02:05] <sgflt> halt: i'd say "no", but others may disagree. =) i've been at it for a few days
• 2957[18:02:23] <sti_fr> Hello all
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• 2961[18:03:18] <cheesus> Anyone built ncmpcpp with gcc6
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• 2964[18:04:17] <sti_fr> Since update to cyrus_imapd 2.5.10-2 i get connection issues. it seems cyrus is not able to negotiate TLS.
• 2965[18:04:23] <halt> sgflt: my "easy" is quite flexible, I'm on linux on server side for years, but an up to date how to would be nice, as a start
• 2966[18:04:40] <sti_fr> I was wondering if it was a known pb
• 2967[18:04:46] <jelly> sgflt: do you have a /etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/getty@tty1.service existing?
• 2968[18:05:06] <sgflt> halt: you can hack the official images but i haven't found an easy, up to date howto. i've been building one from scratch since yesterday, to figure out how everything works at least
• 2969[18:05:16] <sgflt> jelly: yes
• 2970[18:05:21] <jelly> you can disable the service by making that a symlink to /dev/null
• 2971[18:05:44] <cheesus> all hail /dev/null
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• 2974[18:05:59] <jelly> ?
• 2975[18:06:05] <oliv3r> Hi, how or when is /etc/postgresql/* created/filled when installing postgresql?
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• 2977[18:06:24] <cheesus> i was just making a childish joke, don't mind me
• 2978[18:06:25] <sgflt> jelly: i'll try that, 1 sec
• 2979[18:06:29] * cheesus goes into a corner to die
• 2980[18:06:29] <oliv3r> or even; when is it not created/filled? e.g. installing postgresql but /var/lib/postgresql/* contains data?
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• 2984[18:06:58] <jelly> aw.
• 2985[18:07:02] <cheesus> xD
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• 2987[18:08:05] <cheesus> I used to not have title bars, then gnome got an update and decided to let gtk handle it
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• 2990[18:08:52] <sgflt> jelly: that worked. thank you!
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• 2992[18:09:51] <_abc_> twkm: seen this: replaced-url
• 2993[18:10:08] <_abc_> Apparently 50% of Germany was down (they had a modem which is affected, widely deployed)
• 2994[18:10:31] <sgflt> probably telekom's crappy speedport routers?
• 2995[18:10:34] <_abc_> I set up a little trap with netcat here in Romania on 7457 and I get lamed exploit packets every minute or so, from all over the world
• 2996[18:10:51] <_abc_> Lame meaning replaced-url
• 2997[18:10:57] <_abc_> sgflt: exactly
• 2998[18:11:04] <_abc_> sgflt: there's a heise.de article on it
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• 3000[18:11:50] <sgflt> _abc_: this is also a historical artifact ("history" being everything pre august 2016)
• 3001[18:11:50] <_abc_> I have a feeling someone is just testing ports for now, collecting data worldwide. I got knocks from italy and one more place.
• 3002[18:12:21] <sgflt> the internet situation in germany is really crappy, from a legal point of view
• 3003[18:12:37] <_abc_> sgflt: Yes, and busybox pirated "locked down" versions of linux running in 95% of deployed routers are affected. And there is no way to fix them, excepting by the vendor. Been discussing this on #openwrt.
• 3004[18:12:45] <_abc_> I know sgflt
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• 3006[18:12:56] <SwedeMike> _abc_: where did you get 50% figure? I heard 900k which isn't even close to 50%
• 3007[18:13:12] <_abc_> Hmm?
• 3008[18:13:13] <halt> sgflt: there even used to have automated build service run by debian team where you can pick packages and stuff, but I can't even find it now, but in case if you figure it out, a short blog post or something would be nice, I will revisit it later this week, or later
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• 3012[18:13:50] <_abc_> SwedeMike: 900k what? I think easily 95% dsl modems used in "second world countries" are pirated busybox type and older than 2 years as-new.
• 3013[18:13:51] <sgflt> halt: i do have something working atm, but it's far from general purpose; it's an unattended installer that isn't even using the standard debian one
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• 3016[18:14:25] <SwedeMike> _abc_: I'd imagine it's down to whatever TR-69 integration code is running on them.
• 3017[18:14:25] <sgflt> halt: but the process itself is simple (or sounds simple) -- if you don't need CD-ROM (like, actual discs) support, a USB-drive is just a hot pluggable HD
• 3018[18:14:38] <_abc_> SwedeMike: it not only is running but disabling it is disabled.
• 3019[18:14:47] <sgflt> halt: so debootstrap into an empty chroot, install the stuff you want and add EXTLINUX/SYSLINUX/ISOLINUX or whatever
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• 3021[18:15:21] <sgflt> i supposed you can try grub but grub2 even worse for this kind of thing that it is for regular booting
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• 3028[18:16:52] <sgflt> halt: then just combine that into an image file. boots in kvm at least and i suspect it will from a flashdrive as well
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• 3031[18:17:31] <SwedeMike> _abc_: but isn't it the tr-69 netserver-setting-code that doesn't do proper input validation that is the problem here?
• 3032[18:17:37] <SwedeMike> ntpserver-setting-code
• 3033[18:17:43] <jelly> _abc_, SwedeMike et al: #debian-offtopic
• 3034[18:17:48] <halt> I was even thinking of get two drive one with a default install one with a docker image of what I like and use that, at least then the "save" is easy
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• 3045[18:19:37] <_abc_> Agree with jelly but if you run a dsl modem for internet access (or a cable modem), try to disable or redirect port 7457/tcp to an unused ip and port.
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• 3047[18:20:00] <jelly> how is that a debian problem
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• 3052[18:20:37] <_abc_> It may help someone not be a part of a botnet. Or not. Anyway, done with the subject, off topic.
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• 3054[18:20:39] <jelly> it's not, keep this channel for relevant issues
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• 3062[18:23:05] <_abc_> Relevant issue: is there a howto, blog entry, etc, on how to connect a bluetooth headset to wheezy or newer debian and have it work relatively painlessly?
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• 3065[18:23:17] <_abc_> Headset being mic+ear talk type, not music type
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• 3067[18:24:12] <mtn> _abc_: are you having trouble pairing it or getting sound to work after it is paired?
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• 3070[18:24:48] <_abc_> It is not detected as a sound device for now. I.e. no sound device is created. I am not at the machine which does this, will have to happen later, but links to articles/etc would be nice.
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• 3074[18:25:14] <mtn> _abc_: have you used pavucontrol to adjust devices and sound levels?
• 3075[18:25:25] <_abc_> What is pavucontrol?
• 3076[18:25:41] <_abc_> I would prefer this to happen from command line, the machine runs headless.
• 3077[18:25:43] <mtn> _abc_: pulse audio controller
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• 3079[18:25:59] <mtn> _abc_: for command line, you can start with alsamixer
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• 3081[18:26:19] <mtn> _abc_: I think pulse has a command line interface, too
• 3082[18:26:22] <_abc_> alsamixer I used, the audio device doed not appear.
• 3083[18:26:26] <_abc_> *does
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• 3085[18:26:42] <mtn> _abc_: so did the bluetooth device pair or not?
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• 3088[18:27:03] <_abc_> The device pairs. Again, I am not at the machine now.
• 3089[18:27:14] <jelly> tool to manage pulseaudio including basic card config
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• 3096[18:29:12] <_abc_> replaced-url
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• 3100[18:31:00] <oliv3r> it seems so, if there's a data dir, postgres doesn't generate /etc/postgres. noted thanks!
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• 3102[18:32:04] <_abc_> What version of bluez is current now? Also was it backported to wheezy which is iirc obsolete now? version 3.6 of Bluez is buggy acc. link above
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• 3104[18:36:16] <centrx> _abc_ replaced-url
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• 3111[18:38:34] <_abc_> Wow 3.6 is antique. The docs on debian.org should bear an article issue date I think. Would save a lot of time.
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• 3113[18:38:45] <_abc_> replaced-url
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• 3119[18:43:02] <CitizenZ> heh
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• 3122[18:43:54] <jelly> wiki.debian.org is all sorts of outdated... since the accident
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• 3124[18:44:47] <urbancohort> Hello all. I am trying to build a simulation tool which needs gcc-multilib and cross toolchains but I have the problem stated here: replaced-url
• 3125[18:45:03] <CitizenZ> accident?
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• 3127[18:45:07] <urbancohort> I tried to create to required symlinks for gcc-multilib but unfortunately failed.
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• 3129[18:45:36] <urbancohort> Has anyone had any experience with cross compiling tools?
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• 3139[18:48:42] <marmanh> Hi guys :)
• 3140[18:48:48] <marmanh> I'm managing a new linux-cracker-barrel for my college and so I need some good topics for interesting │ _br__
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• 3142[18:48:50] <marmanh> | conversations. Most of the members are newbies to linux
• 3143[18:49:13] <marmanh> whoa! sorry for the bad formatting
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• 3147[18:49:30] <marmanh> do you have any ideas?
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• 3153[18:50:47] <CitizenZ> whats a cracker-barrel
• 3154[18:50:47] <jhutchins> marmanh: Are we supposed to understand what a "linux-cracker-barrel" means?
• 3155[18:50:58] <CitizenZ> heh
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• 3157[18:51:37] <petemc> cracker barrel is cheese where im from
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• 3162[18:52:27] <CitizenZ> it sounds like something my grandpa would say. heh
• 3163[18:52:49] <marmanh> haha :D
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• 3168[18:53:49] <marmanh> sry I thought its a well-known expression
• 3169[18:54:00] <marmanh> it's like a meet-up or club
• 3170[18:54:11] <CitizenZ> oh cool
• 3171[18:54:16] <CitizenZ> so like a users group?
• 3172[18:54:17] <g00se1> Thanks folks. systemd boot time error caused by incorrect /etc/fstab
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• 3174[18:54:30] <marmanh> so we will jep! Thats it!
• 3175[18:54:47] <marmanh> this word slipped completly out of my mind
• 3176[18:54:56] <epicwalrus> is there a place to request a package be backported?
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• 3179[18:55:27] <CitizenZ> i started a users group a few years ago. we usually took turns creating topics, and talked about what projects we were working on at home and work
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• 3182[18:55:56] <CitizenZ> but our users group focused linux/bsd in a server enviroment. didn't really get into desktop stuff
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• 3188[18:57:03] <marmanh> Ah okay - thats interessting. The problem here is that about 80% of the users never used linux before but are interessted
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• 3190[18:57:52] <CitizenZ> maybe for the first cracker-barrel (heh) you can just talk about what youre doing with linux and let people ask questions and kinda gauge what about linux interest them
• 3191[18:57:53] <marmanh> So Im looking for a way to integrate them and prevent the goup-dates from unpleasant silence
• 3192[18:58:13] <marmanh> yes thats sound good ...
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• 3194[18:58:33] <CitizenZ> like im really into OSS and privacy concious stuff with linux and bsd
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• 3196[18:59:05] <CitizenZ> like some people just want an OS that doesn't spy on them
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• 3199[18:59:26] <CitizenZ> and that along can be a pretty deep topic
• 3200[18:59:31] <jhutchins> epicwalrus: Yes, it's documented at the backports web site.
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• 3202[19:00:05] <marmanh> yeah thats true. Well actually its a Linux/Cyber-Security-User-Group so theese security topics are very important for us too
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• 3204[19:00:27] <epicwalrus> ah okay, thank you jhutchins. i will check it out!
• 3205[19:00:28] <CitizenZ> oh man then youre gonna have a lot to cover
• 3206[19:00:50] <marmanh> well I guess so
• 3207[19:01:16] <CitizenZ> like you can gt into threat modeling and all that
• 3208[19:01:37] <marmanh> But the problem is, that theese guys are not very open for free talking so its a pain to motivate the group and keep up a good conversation
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• 3211[19:01:57] <CitizenZ> well are you doing this along or do you have a buddy helping you?
• 3212[19:02:17] <CitizenZ> because to get geeks to talk. what you do is bring up a question. then have someone answer it incorrectly
• 3213[19:02:25] <CitizenZ> and all the geeks will speak up to tell you how wron gyou are
• 3214[19:02:40] <CitizenZ> :)
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• 3216[19:02:47] <jhutchins> CitizenZ: :)
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• 3222[19:03:09] <tehfreakjoe> greatings , good evening
• 3223[19:03:20] <CitizenZ> tehfreakjoe: hola
• 3224[19:03:45] <marmanh> CitizenZ: haha true story. Well actually no - there is no backcover for me so I have to deal with this problem on my own
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• 3233[19:12:10] <_abc_> jelly: what accident?
• 3234[19:12:13] <_abc_> jelly: re wiki
• 3235[19:12:30] <jelly> it got hacked 2-3 years back
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• 3237[19:13:12] <jelly> very very hard to get an account on it, since that
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• 3267[19:24:23] <LordThumper> Hello
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• 3269[19:25:52] <LordThumper> I am trying to compile x86 assembly code to run on my x64 machine
• 3270[19:26:19] <LordThumper> nasm -f elf hello.asm -o hello.o && ld -m elf_x86_64 -o a.elf hello.0
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• 3272[19:26:37] <LordThumper> Any idea why I cannot run the executable?
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• 3275[19:27:19] <LordThumper> I get this from "file" ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, not stripped
• 3276[19:27:43] <LordThumper> And this from uname -a
• 3277[19:27:44] <LordThumper> Linux THUMPER-DESKTOP 3.4.0+ #1 PREEMPT Thu Aug 1 17:06:05 CST 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 3282[19:30:07] <avian> LordThumper, use "-f elf64" with nasm.
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• 3286[19:30:46] <LordThumper> avian: I tried, but then I get ld: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `hello.o' is incompatible with i386 output
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• 3290[19:31:18] <LordThumper> I cannot compile using x64
• 3291[19:31:24] <LordThumper> As I am using x86 syscalls
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• 3293[19:32:19] <centrx> LordThumper: Try asking in ##asm
• 3294[19:32:32] <avian> LordThumper, what do you mean with "cannot run the executable"?
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• 3296[19:33:39] <LordThumper> avian: bash: ./a.elf: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error
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• 3300[19:35:00] <tehfreakjoe> LordThumper: cdrom _
• 3301[19:35:01] <tehfreakjoe> ?
• 3302[19:35:09] <tehfreakjoe> i think i got a cd rom error
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• 3304[19:35:17] <tehfreakjoe> sais that error
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• 3306[19:35:43] <kline> does anyone know off hand when debian switched back to ffmpeg proper?
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• 3309[19:36:44] <centrx> kline: pretty recently
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• 3311[19:37:05] <kline> centrx, specifically, im trying to find out if it happened after the 4th of october
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• 3314[19:37:27] <kline> because ffmpeg for me has broken sometime between then and now, and im trying to figure out what happened
• 3315[19:37:39] <coincoin169> tehfreakjoe: re, I can now access the Debian installer menu on my IBM POWER8, but the kernel detects only 16GB RAM. I have installed 64 GB RAM. Do you know why ?
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• 3317[19:38:02] <tehfreakjoe> yeh maybe
• 3318[19:38:10] <centrx> kline: This indicates it was uploaded to unstable in April - replaced-url
• 3319[19:38:16] <tehfreakjoe> are you installing 32bits or 64bits ?
• 3320[19:38:47] <coincoin169> tehfreakjoe: ppc64el
• 3321[19:38:49] <centrx> kline: as you can see with the changelog, there have been new releases/uploads since Oct 4
• 3322[19:39:08] <jhutchins> Out oof curiosity, what were we using instead of ffmpeg?
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• 3324[19:39:18] <coincoin169> tehfreakjoe: the kernel's firmware finds only 16GB RAM too.
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• 3330[19:39:35] <monsune> do you have an idea why would 102400MB partition size give me 99GB in the filesystem? i want perfect 100GB / and can't do it :)
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• 3334[19:39:55] <centrx> jhutchins: libav
• 3335[19:40:25] <centrx> jhutchins: There was a fork/coup a few years back where libav split off from ffmpeg
• 3336[19:40:27] <jhutchins> monsune: Different utilities round the size up differently.
• 3337[19:40:28] <centrx> jhutchins: Lots of drama
• 3338[19:40:33] <avian> LordThumper, "incompatible with i386 output" doesn't make sense with "ld -m elf_x86_64"
• 3339[19:41:00] <monsune> jhutchins but df -h uses 1024 base and it should round it to exactly 100GB
• 3340[19:41:01] <kline> centrx, cool, it looks like either the november 2nd or november 5th backport that broke for me
• 3341[19:41:03] <centrx> jhutchins: ffmpeg eventually won through superior technical firepower by the lead developer, who was merging in all the libav fixes and changes, and doing more development than the whole libav "team" of poseurs
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• 3344[19:41:53] <Ke> still the competition did ffmpeg a whole lot of good
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• 3349[19:44:35] <tehfreakjoe> coincoin169: sorry the delay google for it i think 32 bits only goes for that ram
• 3350[19:44:35] <avian> LordThumper, building x86 executable on Jessie replaced-url
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• 3353[19:45:05] <coincoin169> tehfreakjoe: So I would have to install debian powerpc then ?
• 3354[19:45:14] <tehfreakjoe> not sure
• 3355[19:45:21] <tehfreakjoe> long time i used it
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• 3357[19:45:39] <tehfreakjoe> but yeh try diferent version , might help!
• 3358[19:46:08] <coincoin169> tehfreakjoe: Ok, weird as uname -a on the kernel's firmware tells me : ppc64le GNU/Linux
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• 3389[19:57:52] <Tylertwo> Hey, I'm trying to watch a DVD on my computer. The closest I've come is using the command 'ddrescue /dev/sr0 dvd_name.img dvd_name.log', and then mplayer dvd_name.img, however 1. the movie is very choppy and unwatchable and 2. this seems like an odd way of doing it. Any ideas?
• 3390[19:57:53] <tehfreakjoe> who knows how to make FN(function) keys works on debian, F1...F12 are dead atm
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• 3393[19:58:15] <tehfreakjoe> who knows how to make FN(function) keys works on debian, F1...F12 are dead atm
• 3394[19:58:26] <jscoder> will blacklisting a module in /etc/modprobe.d/ prevent it from being manually loaded? I just want my ipw2100 not to load at boot but still be manually loadable as needed
• 3395[19:58:35] <centrx> Tylertwo: Why do you need to copy the DVD?
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• 3397[19:59:27] <Tylertwo> I don't, ideally... I tried mplayer /dev/sr0, which is even more choppy and crashes.
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• 3399[20:00:16] <tehfreakjoe> maybe cd demage ?
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• 3403[20:01:36] <Tylertwo> huh?
• 3404[20:02:00] <centrx> Tylertwo: Maybe the video is choppy because the DVD/optical media is damaged
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• 3407[20:02:06] <centrx> Tylertwo: You could also try mpv, a fork of mplayer
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• 3415[20:03:19] <centrx> Tylertwo: the mplayer/mplayer2 in stable is very old. Upstream development stopped/lagged (though mplayer seems to be back up to speed now, but not in current stable)
• 3416[20:03:26] <centrx> Tylertwo: mpv is the best replacement for mplayer/mplayer2 in stable
• 3417[20:03:33] <centrx> compatible
• 3418[20:03:34] <Iridos> pcfreak30, I guess this is $HOME/public_html that you're talking about… so did you run chmod a+x $HOME for that home directory?
• 3419[20:03:55] <Iridos> oh, seems I was further up in history than I thought
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• 3421[20:05:01] <Iridos> Tylertwo, "man mplayer"??? --> mplayer dvd://1 or somesuch
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• 3429[20:07:42] <kline> is it debian policy to only hold the most recent version of a package in the backports repo? im trying to downgrade a package which has broken in backports, but it looks like only the most recent release is still stored in the repo
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• 3434[20:09:21] <Iridos> yes… looks like… in principle there's snapshots at replaced-url
• 3435[20:09:26] <Iridos> … and then I forgot about it
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• 3437[20:09:52] <Tylertwo> centrx, so to watch a movie you'd put it in the dvd drive then enter 'mpv /dev/sr0'? Now its not playing at all.. 'failed to recognize file format'
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• 3439[20:10:04] <Iridos> yeah, ends in march replaced-url
• 3440[20:10:16] <centrx> Tylertwo: mpv dvd://
• 3441[20:10:37] <kline> Iridos, ah, thanks, ok. are you the maintainer for this?
• 3442[20:11:43] <Iridos> no… but you could do "Please report bugs against the snapshot.debian.org package. "
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• 3445[20:12:00] <Iridos> I saw it maybe 2 weeks ago and forgot about it
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• 3447[20:12:15] <Iridos> it seems to be only backports that's missing
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• 3449[20:12:36] <kline> if im filing bugs, im more likely to file it against the actual broken package for just now, but ideally ill talk it out with whoever is maintaining the package quickly first in case its an easy fix, or better, something is already in the works
• 3450[20:13:13] * tehfreakjoe is reading replaced-url
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• 3453[20:13:38] <Tylertwo> centrx, I get some 'error reading nav packet' messages and finally failed to recognize file format with that.
• 3454[20:14:02] <Tylertwo> 'error getting next block from dvd'
• 3455[20:14:24] <Tylertwo> av_find_stream_info() failed
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• 3457[20:15:44] <centrx> Tylertwo: Are you sure it's a movie DVD? Maybe the DVD has a filesystem on it and one of the files is a move?
• 3458[20:15:49] <centrx> *movie/video
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• 3460[20:17:12] <centrx> Tylertwo: It seems like something is wrong with the DVD, but I'm no DVD expert
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• 3463[20:17:41] <Tylertwo> maybe. I tried 2 dvds with similar results.
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• 3465[20:18:48] <Tylertwo> If I mount it I get a FS with a README and a VIDEO_TS folder with a bunch of .VOB files and .IFOs..
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• 3469[20:20:08] <centrx> Tylertwo: You could try vlc, that's another app, maybe it will be better at working through DVD problems
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• 3485[20:30:12] <Tylertwo> centrx, maybe it is dvd-dependant. I put in a 3rd movie and its working with mplayer/etc.
• 3486[20:30:15] <Tylertwo> thanks
• 3487[20:30:27] <centrx> cool
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• 3489[20:30:54] <centrx> Tylertwo: (it could be the DVD region/copy protection)
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• 3491[20:31:17] <Tylertwo> right..
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• 3493[20:32:47] <tehfreakjoe> Can you please tell me if i am doing things right ? for recompile kernel ...make menuconfig ...open close, make && make modules_install ?
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• 3495[20:33:54] <Iridos> one could argue that the first wrong step is to recompile the kernel
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• 3497[20:34:57] <tehfreakjoe> why ?
• 3498[20:35:04] <tehfreakjoe> i need backlight enable on keyb
• 3499[20:35:06] <tehfreakjoe> :(((
• 3500[20:35:16] <tehfreakjoe> and i am running out of suluctions
• 3501[20:35:50] <jhutchins> Tylertwo: How old is your drive?
• 3502[20:36:00] <Iridos> and what makes you think compiling a kernel is the solution to that?
• 3503[20:36:09] <Tylertwo> jhutchins, its a thinkpad t400
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• 3505[20:36:38] <tehfreakjoe> Iridos:
• 3506[20:36:39] <tehfreakjoe> idk
• 3507[20:36:40] <tehfreakjoe> :(
• 3508[20:36:40] <jhutchins> Tylertwo: That doesn't tell me anything
• 3509[20:37:02] <jhutchins> Tylertwo: Well, it's a laptop, therefore subject to more physical wear.
• 3510[20:37:16] <Iridos> that sounds like a really good reason :-/
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• 3513[20:37:39] <Tylertwo> on my computer? I bought it used, about a month ago. So ~ no use from me, not sure about others.. seems pretty new
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• 3515[20:38:04] <jhutchins> Tylertwo: There's probably a sticker on the back that says when it was built.
• 3516[20:38:06] <Iridos> what do you mean with "backlight enable on keyb" anyway
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• 3518[20:38:11] <jhutchins> Tylertwo: Anyway: drives wear out.
• 3519[20:38:35] <jhutchins> Tylertwo: One of the symptoms is not being able to read some disks as the laser gets out of alignment. Other disks are ok.
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• 3521[20:38:49] <jhutchins> Tylertwo: You can try cleaning the lenses on the drive.
• 3522[20:39:04] <somiaj> tehfreakjoe: do you happen to know which config option is missing in the debian kernel that is needed to make your hardware work?
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• 3527[20:39:50] <Tylertwo> says copyright 2008. Maybe that's the issue. I was thinking maybe different disks with differnet DRM responds differently.
• 3528[20:40:21] <jhutchins> Tylertwo: It could also be that the video is too much data for your system to process in real time.
• 3529[20:40:32] <tehfreakjoe> no i dont somiaj
• 3530[20:40:33] <tehfreakjoe> :(
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• 3533[20:41:22] <Tylertwo> OK, well maybe I'll look more into it later. At least something's working though. Take care.
• 3534[20:41:33] <jhutchins> Tylertwo: GOod luck.
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• 3536[20:41:36] <somiaj> tehfreakjoe: well in that case I would say just recompling the kernel at this point is not suggested. I would figure out what kernel option you actually need and make sure it isn't present in the default debian kernels before trying to recompile. I don't know what hardware you are working with, but my advise is reasearch first.
• 3537[20:41:39] <Tylertwo> thanks
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• 3540[20:42:22] <tehfreakjoe> you debian helper somiaj?
• 3541[20:42:31] <tehfreakjoe> my asus model is gl702vm
• 3542[20:42:38] <tehfreakjoe> can you help me plz ?=)
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• 3544[20:43:01] <tehfreakjoe> replaced-url
• 3545[20:43:08] <jhutchins> tehfreakjoe: We're mostly just fellow users, often waiting for answers to our own questions.
• 3546[20:43:09] <tehfreakjoe> this sucks
• 3547[20:43:15] <tehfreakjoe> manually add keys
• 3548[20:43:15] <tehfreakjoe> rofl
• 3549[20:43:16] <tehfreakjoe> :D
• 3550[20:43:20] <tehfreakjoe> windows does it automatically
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• 3554[20:43:41] <jhutchins> tehfreakjoe: The problem is that function keys are not implemented in any standard ways. Asus tends to implement them differently on different models.
• 3555[20:44:15] <tehfreakjoe> yeh i understand you
• 3556[20:44:18] <jhutchins> tehfreakjoe:
• 3557[20:44:18] <jhutchins> 12:05 < catern> (put another way, is there such a thing as a "copy on write" network filesystem? i.e. when you write, it copies the file to your local machine, making a local copy)
• 3558[20:44:24] <jhutchins> ?
• 3559[20:44:34] <Iridos> tehfreakjoe, can you please try to describe the problem you are trying to solve in one or two sentences in a way that afterwards it is clear what you want to do?
• 3560[20:44:37] <somiaj> tehfreakjoe: a lot also depends on the actual desktop enivorment. Here is a quick test. Run the program 'xev' then go hit these keys, if they regeister and send codes, they are already registered in the kernel, it is just your desktop is not configured to do anything with them.
• 3561[20:44:38] <funkster> How would i setup a wireless nic that i can connect to from wireless computer and access local webserver. would that be ad hoc or?
• 3562[20:44:49] <jhutchins> tehfreakjoe: replaced-url
• 3563[20:44:57] <tehfreakjoe> thank you
• 3564[20:45:20] <somiaj> funkster: yea that is what is usually refered to is ad-hoc if you want to directly connect two wireless cards together and not have them be on some shared wireless network with a router/access point
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• 3568[20:46:44] <jhutchins> tehfreakjoe: It could be that nothing on the laptop is "listening" for those key sequences. There is no standard "turn up the backlight" command.
• 3569[20:46:45] <funkster> somiaj: the goal is this. wlan0 be an adhoc that i access local webserver, it will run a script and configure wlan0 to connect to wireless network for connectivity. so its just the ability to remotely setup the device on the network. get what im saying?
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• 3574[20:47:14] <funkster> somiaj: typo. wlan0 and wlan1. two nics.
• 3575[20:47:40] <jhutchins> tehfreakjoe: Lots of things don't work in windows.
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• 3578[20:48:09] <jhutchins> tehfreakjoe: Asus builds for Windows and ships with Windows utilities and drivers.
• 3579[20:48:17] <tehfreakjoe> ok
• 3580[20:48:47] <somiaj> funkster: Now i'm a bit more confused. Are these two wirless cards on the same machine and you want to connect/bridge the two networks together?
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• 3582[20:48:57] <jhutchins> tehfreakjoe: You might search for something like 'linux backlight control on <your model asus>'.
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• 3586[20:50:57] <funkster> somiaj: two NICs in same machine. they will in no way bridge. i will connect to adhoc network to access local web server, run script to setup wlan1 to connect to router/internet.
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• 3589[20:52:02] <somiaj> funkster: okay, but if you want to say get info from the wlan0 to the wlan1 network and visa/versa I'd set up some NAT with iptables over ad-hoc.
• 3590[20:53:00] <funkster> somiaj: gotcha. yah no info is needed to get from wlan0 to wlan1.
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• 3624[21:12:07] <tehfreakjoe> kernel compile : download kernel , make menuconfig, make, make modules_install right ?
• 3625[21:12:39] <centrx> tehfreakjoe: I would use the Debian kernel package
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• 3627[21:12:50] <centrx> tehfreakjoe: In addition, you can use the Debian packaging system to compile the kernel too
• 3628[21:12:59] <tehfreakjoe> that works as well,ok
• 3629[21:13:02] <tehfreakjoe> ty
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• 3632[21:15:41] <towo`> i would use make deb-pkg
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• 3635[21:16:06] <towo`> debians's kernel-package is depricated
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• 3637[21:16:39] <jhutchins> tehfreakjoe: I think that might be missing some steps.
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• 3641[21:17:05] <jhutchins> tehfreakjoe: WHat are you expecting your custom kernel to do differently?
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• 3646[21:19:24] <jhutchins> tehfreakjoe: replaced-url
• 3647[21:19:52] <jhutchins> tehfreakjoe: replaced-url
• 3648[21:21:10] <tremon> hi all, any hints for debugging a udev-caused boot loop? my stretch kernel reboots as soon as udev is started
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• 3650[21:21:49] <tremon> I'm pretty sure it's caused by the graphics driver/firmware (amd apu), but I have no idea how to isolate it
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• 3655[21:23:30] <jhutchins> tremon: Start with booting to single user/rescue mode?
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• 3660[21:24:40] <tremon> yes, that how I know it's a udev issue -- I can cause the reboot by booting with init=/bin/bash, and then running /etc/rcS.d/S02udev
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• 3662[21:25:32] <tremon> I even know which line in the file, it's "udevadm trigger --action=add" -- the one that performs all the boot-time cold-plugging
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• 3666[21:26:53] <tremon> but even if I mount /var, start rsyslogd, and run udevd with --debug &> /var/log/udevdebug, the reboot happens so fast after udevadm trigger that not a single line about it can be found in the logs
• 3667[21:27:48] <somiaj> tremon: have you tried other kernels?
• 3668[21:28:01] <tremon> only the one I'm running now... jessie's 3.16
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• 3670[21:28:11] <tremon> got any good suggestions to try?
• 3671[21:28:23] <AlienCat> guys can I do something from busybox?
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• 3673[21:28:45] <somiaj> wasn't sure if you had some older kernelrs or not around, if it affects the newest and the jessie kernel I don't think any other kenrels inbetween would just work.
• 3674[21:28:57] <AlienCat> Can I set root drives or something
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• 3676[21:29:12] <AlienCat> to start linux from busy box
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• 3678[21:29:20] <tremon> no the jessie kernel works fine, even with the firmware package and userland from stretch
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• 3681[21:29:34] <Benguitar> Has anyone here messed around with FuseISO and compiling it with the 'make' command? If so, am I allowed to ask about it, or is there a better channel for my questions?
• 3682[21:29:34] <tremon> I can see if I can dig up some kernels from snapshots.d.o
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• 3685[21:29:50] <tremon> AlienCat: you can, what are you trying to do?
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• 3687[21:30:05] <somiaj> tremon: oh yea, then I would use snapshot.debian.org and drop back to see if you can determine which kernel introduced this bug/regression
• 3688[21:30:21] <somiaj> this may help when reporting a bug
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• 3691[21:30:35] <AlienCat> tremon, I messed up grub so it drops me to busybox
• 3692[21:30:44] <AlienCat> no idea what the error is
• 3693[21:30:58] <greycat> !reinstall grub
• 3694[21:30:58] <dpkg> See replaced-url
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• 3701[21:32:28] <tremon> AlienCat: the initramfs has blkid, and mount commands. do you use lvm2/mdraid or anything else fancy?
• 3702[21:33:25] <jhutchins> tremon: Does it happen with jessie?
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• 3704[21:34:02] <tremon> no, it doesn't. Just spend this day doing a dist-upgrade, system was fine before. System is still fine with jessie's kernel
• 3705[21:34:10] <AlienCat> I did not
• 3706[21:34:32] <jhutchins> ,kernels
• 3707[21:34:32] <AlienCat> I installed grub in some wrong way
• 3708[21:34:32] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.8.0-1-686-pae (4.8.7-1); stretch: 4.8.0-1-686-pae (4.8.7-1); jessie-backports: 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.7.8-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.82-1)
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• 3710[21:34:54] <tremon> hmm, maybe I'll try the -backports kernel first
• 3711[21:35:03] <jhutchins> Heh - that's the kernel I needed for a weekend project. Oh well.
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• 3714[21:37:04] <AlienCat> the mount command does not works
• 3715[21:37:23] <tremon> AlienCat: what's the error message?
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• 3718[21:38:16] <AlienCat> I try mount /dev/sda2 /root and it says not exists
• 3719[21:39:00] <tremon> do cat /proc/filesystems or dmesg|tail, you get that same error when the correct filesystem module isn't available
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• 3722[21:39:37] <tremon> (assuming that blkid shows that sda2 in fact does exist)
• 3723[21:39:51] <AlienCat> its ext4, would be dissapointed if it was not there
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• 3725[21:40:19] <tremon> I would too, but I'd still make sure
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• 3728[21:42:31] <AlienCat> mmm
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• 3750[21:48:38] <AlienCat> Why not
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• 3763[21:52:27] <AlienCat> blkid finds the drives
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• 3770[21:56:11] <AlienCat> not sure what dmesg|tail is suppoes to show
• 3771[21:56:24] <AlienCat> I do not see anyting special
• 3772[21:56:26] <tremon> the last ten lines of the kernel log
• 3773[21:56:27] <greycat> The most recent things that happened that your kernel felt it appropriate to make a comment about.
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• 3777[21:57:09] <AlienCat> okay, its nothing special
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• 3779[21:57:54] <centrx> it says "Oops" -- couldn't be that serious
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• 3788[21:59:26] <johannix> What's the recommended way of creating a live USB from Debian?
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• 3791[22:00:54] <AlienCat> like nodev rootfs
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• 3793[22:01:09] <AlienCat> I have no idea if it should say like that
• 3794[22:01:17] <tehfreakjoe> johannix: linuxpendrive google
• 3795[22:01:35] <johannix> @tehfreakjoe: thanks, I'll check it out.
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• 3805[22:05:03] <somiaj> johannix: live-build, debian actually provides tools to build custom live enviroments, though with the change of live.debian.net unsure where the docs for this now live
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• 3808[22:05:42] <tehfreakjoe> guys after make modules_install
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• 3810[22:05:47] <tehfreakjoe> do i need to update-grub ?
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• 3812[22:06:05] <greycat> Probably want to update an initramfs thingy.
• 3813[22:06:11] <tehfreakjoe> do i?
• 3814[22:06:13] <towo`> tehfreakjoe, you shouldn't do that at all
• 3815[22:06:20] <tehfreakjoe> well ?
• 3816[22:06:27] <greycat> Do you? What does it say to do next in the Debian kernel handbook?
• 3817[22:06:38] <towo`> installing software by bypassing the package management is a stupid idea
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• 3820[22:06:47] <greycat> Not in all cases, but for kernels it probably is.
• 3821[22:06:53] <abrotman> There's probably a document that describes how to do what you're trying to do
• 3822[22:07:19] <abrotman> /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz maybe ?
• 3823[22:07:29] <greycat> !kernel handbook
• 3824[22:07:29] <dpkg> The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook replaced-url
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• 3829[22:08:18] <AlienCat> I guess I should try to reinstall grub
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• 3846[22:15:38] <tehfreakjoe> 7clear
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• 3895[22:29:35] <pi30> hi
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• 3905[22:32:12] <tehfreakjoe> shield nvidia 75% off on nvidia site
• 3906[22:32:18] <tehfreakjoe> :)
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• 3919[22:36:16] <piing> hi@ll, openSSL is still the standart in the ubuntu-server (as a fork of debian) .... whats about libreSSL?? (the idea of libreSLL was to clean up openSSL .... after heartbleed.)
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• 3921[22:36:30] <greycat> We have no idea what is standard in Ubuntu. #ubuntu should know.
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• 3926[22:38:21] <tehfreakjoe> Guys how will it be is linux VR ready?
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• 3928[22:39:34] <somiaj> tehfreakjoe: even longer until it is in debian, so off topic here. (:
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• 3930[22:40:02] <tehfreakjoe> what you mean, im Portuguese, so my skill in english is not so well :P
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• 3932[22:40:09] <tehfreakjoe> is it ready or not :P
• 3933[22:40:10] <yokisuci> o
• 3934[22:40:12] <yokisuci> f
• 3935[22:40:34] <yokisuci> wierd
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• 3937[22:40:35] <tehfreakjoe> i should join off-topic debian is that it ?
• 3938[22:40:46] <yokisuci> tehfreakjoe: OT-debian?
• 3939[22:40:55] <greycat> #debian-offtopic
• 3940[22:40:58] <yokisuci> greycat: thx
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• 3942[22:41:14] <somiaj> tehfreakjoe: ##linux may be able to better answer that. It will be a while.
• 3943[22:41:23] <tehfreakjoe> ahh k
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• 3950[22:42:49] <betteroo> hey quick question about kali tools on debian.Can i install all kali tools on debian..or can installing fuck up debian??
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• 3952[22:43:06] <greycat> Mixing repositories will eventually bite you in the ass.
• 3953[22:43:24] <somiaj> betteroo: don't mix. No one will support you and it could and usually will break
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• 3955[22:43:45] <betteroo> dam...hmmmm
• 3956[22:43:52] <greycat> (And not in the sexy way.)
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• 3958[22:44:28] <ompaul> !frankendebian
• 3959[22:44:28] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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• 3963[22:45:27] <tehfreakjoe> olha u dArK_IcE
• 3964[22:45:28] <tehfreakjoe> :P
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• 3966[22:46:25] <betteroo> install maybe then i guess
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• 3978[22:48:33] <DammitJim> what tells the openssh server about where to look for authentication information?
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• 3980[22:48:54] <betteroo> k
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• 3982[22:49:04] <DammitJim> for some reason my ssh server is looking in: pam_krb5(sshd:auth): authentication failure;
• 3983[22:49:08] <greycat> the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file, first
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• 3985[22:49:18] <DammitJim> or how can I increase the logging to see what the heck the connection is doing?
• 3986[22:49:30] <greycat> I believe debian defaults to UsePAM yes
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• 3989[22:49:50] <greycat> Client-side, use -v. Server-side, run a new instance on an alternate port with -d.
• 3990[22:50:04] <betteroo> thanks peeps
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• 4006[22:52:30] <jhutchins> DammitJim: There are circumstances where you want to adjust how pam does ssh auth, but the debian defaults usually work for normal cases.
• 4007[22:52:40] <mxbd|phone> How do I get more information about lsblk(8), or any command where the help file yells you to see function(#). Are you supposed to call with man ?
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• 4009[22:52:49] <greycat> man lsblk
• 4010[22:53:00] <jhutchins> DammitJim: -vvv on the client will do full logging, but sshd_conf has a log level settings as well.
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• 4012[22:53:02] <greycat> or if you want to be very specific, man 8 lsblk
• 4013[22:53:03] <mxbd|phone> What does the 8 represent yhrn
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• 4015[22:53:17] <jhutchins> DammitJim: Actually, -vvv is full dialog to console.
• 4016[22:53:18] <greycat> 8 is the section number of the manual, in case there are multiple entries (e.g. write)
• 4017[22:53:31] <greycat> there's write(1) which is a shell command, and write(2) which is a system call
• 4018[22:53:43] <greycat> crontab is the main one where you need to specify the section number
• 4019[22:53:45] <mxbd|phone> Then*. Ok, that's what I want. I don't have man installed on the booted CD I'm running
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• 4025[22:54:35] <DammitJim> thanks guys
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• 4027[22:54:47] <DammitJim> do you guys mind looking at my warped config?
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• 4029[22:55:01] <DammitJim> I'm locking users to a particular directory when logging in
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• 4033[22:55:29] <DammitJim> also, not sure if this is related, but when I try to change the password for the user I"m trying to test with, It asks me for the Current Kerberos Password?
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• 4035[22:56:26] <missmbob> sounds like you fucked /etc/pam.d/sshd did you edit that?
• 4036[22:56:58] <DammitJim> replaced-url
• 4037[22:57:11] <DammitJim> language dammit! LOL
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• 4039[22:57:16] <DammitJim> I did not, but let me double check
• 4040[22:57:17] <missmbob> fine
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• 4042[22:57:43] <jhutchins> DammitJim: What are you following for ssh chroot? Are they supposed to be in a shell?
• 4043[22:57:54] <DammitJim> dammit. How do I know that /etc/pam.d/sshd hasn't been tinkered with?
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• 4046[22:58:16] <DammitJim> jhutchins, the users should only be able to drop off or pick up files via sftp
• 4047[22:58:21] <jhutchins> DammitJim: tripwire, debsums...
• 4048[22:58:34] <jhutchins> DammitJim: Ok, there is an internal mechanism for that in sshd.
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• 4050[22:58:43] <miko__> Is there a way to configure PAM in a way the user can choose a autheicator? I'd like to give the choice between One-time passwords and OATH.
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• 4052[22:58:52] <DammitJim> oh really?
• 4053[22:59:08] <tehfreakjoe> replaced-url
• 4054[22:59:11] <tehfreakjoe> is also cool
• 4055[22:59:20] <jhutchins> DammitJim: This has not always been true, so you need recent docs on how to set it up. I did it a couple of years ago and don't remember the details but I can search.
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• 4057[22:59:41] <DammitJim> jhutchins, I can search... what should I use as keywords?
• 4058[22:59:44] <tehfreakjoe> miko__: replaced-url
• 4059[23:00:02] <DammitJim> I followed some instructions from 2010 to get this done... it was working until I tinkered with adding the server to a domain
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• 4064[23:01:17] <jhutchins> DammitJim: replaced-url
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• 4067[23:02:14] <jhutchins> DammitJim: ForceCommand internal-sftp is the new method, the old was to use nologin or similar for a shell.
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• 4070[23:03:13] <DammitJim> jhutchins, I followed this exact tutorial but I ran into issues
• 4071[23:03:17] <DammitJim> maybe I should do it again
• 4072[23:03:38] <DammitJim> right, so, I'm using ForceCommand
• 4073[23:03:53] <DammitJim> but again, the problem I'm running into is for some reason I can't authenticate the user
• 4074[23:04:27] <greycat> !ssh chroot
• 4075[23:04:27] <dpkg> ssh chroot is, like, Stop. Read replaced-url
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• 4078[23:06:39] <DammitJim> ugh, gotta run... I'll be back
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• 4085[23:09:10] <foul_owl> One of the debian systems on my network is not showing port 22 as open via nmap, yet I can ssh to it just fine. What could be going wrong there?
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• 4088[23:09:25] <foul_owl> Is there some sort of "hidden" setting for ssh I am unaware of perhaps?
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• 4091[23:09:58] <Brigo_> foul_owl, a firewall?
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• 4120[23:19:14] <vegenaise> quick noob question for anyone who might have a sec. would the 3.16 kernel of debian jessie support a broadwell i5 soc (intel nuc)?
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• 4144[23:27:45] <ctcx> I'm trying to send email to my gmail account from centos 7 command line using mailx. I try echo "testmessage" | mailx -s "subject" mine@gmail.com ; doesn't work!
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• 4173[23:40:17] <tehfreakjoe> greatings, by mistake i closed tty1 on x-enviroment :| how can i see how is the progession the job i was doing ?!?
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• 4178[23:41:49] <tehfreakjoe> greatings, by mistake i closed tty1 on x-enviroment :| how can i see how is the progession the job i was doing ?!? I was using apt-get install kde , now it says "/var/lib/dpkg/lock "
• 4179[23:41:52] <towo`> tty1 is not a x-terminal
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• 4181[23:42:07] <anon-os> русские есть?
• 4182[23:42:23] <tehfreakjoe> escuse me , i was using Terminal - Konsole
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• 4185[23:42:40] <towo`> tehfreakjoe, then you have killed tha actual running command
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• 4189[23:43:11] <anon-os> Here is all english speakers?
• 4190[23:43:20] <towo`> yes
• 4191[23:43:23] <towo`> !ru
• 4192[23:43:23] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
• 4193[23:43:33] <anon-os> thank you ok
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• 4195[23:43:59] <foul_owl> @Brigo_ I can still connect to port 22 on the machine in question though
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• 4197[23:44:04] <foul_owl> It just doesn't show up via nmap
• 4198[23:45:17] <dArK_IcE> (21:45:28) [tehfreakjoe] olha u dArK_IcE
• 4199[23:45:18] <dArK_IcE> hey :D
• 4200[23:45:36] <CitizenZ> tehfreakjoe: i usually run that kinda stuff in screen or tmux just for that reason
• 4201[23:45:53] <tehfreakjoe> yeh im going to start using it
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• 4205[23:47:27] <CitizenZ> word
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• 4208[23:48:10] <vegenaise> nobody can speak to 3.16 kernel on a broadwell chip. hoping to install debian jessie on an intel nuc
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• 4220[23:53:28] <Brigo_> foul_owl, a set of a wierd firewall rules can do that
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