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• 1[00:00:14] <RikuKawai> is the hard drive LED on the computer active?
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• 8[00:01:23] <RikuKawai> if it is, then it might just be a slow flash drive or a slow HDD
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• 10[00:01:38] <frlttrwrd> doesn't have one. I took the front of the case of so it fits in a shelf.
• 11[00:02:07] <RikuKawai> please tell me you're not obstructing airflow
• 12[00:02:14] <missmbob> how did you copy the iso to usb?
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• 15[00:02:39] <RikuKawai> ^ it might be that too
• 16[00:02:47] <frlttrwrd> RikuKawai: I'm not.
• 17[00:03:07] <frlttrwrd> missmbob: sudo dd if=debian-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdc
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• 20[00:03:57] <missmbob> did you sync or eject?
• 21[00:04:59] <missmbob> does top show anything going on? i/o? cpu use?
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• 23[00:05:51] <frlttrwrd> i clicked on the icon in the kde poput that I thought was for ejecting. turned out it was for mounting. then i clicked the ejecting one.
• 24[00:05:56] <frlttrwrd> top: command not found.
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• 26[00:06:11] <missmbob> oh. didn't realize installer didn't have that
• 27[00:06:21] <teraflops> frlttrwrd: ugh I see a bug, not sure if it's just a coincidence
• 28[00:06:23] <zophyx> Happy Thanksgiving to all American Debian users !
• 29[00:06:26] <teraflops> !bug #764437
• 30[00:06:29] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 39[00:10:47] <bencc> where can I get the testing iso to install as a virtualbox guest?
• 40[00:11:01] <bencc> I see several options and not sure what to choose
• 41[00:11:11] <bencc> this gives me 3 DVD replaced-url
• 42[00:11:31] <bencc> usually I'm using only one iso for other distros
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• 44[00:11:48] <teraflops> bencc: do you have internet? if yes use a netinstall
• 45[00:12:05] <missmbob> and you should probably use alpha8, not nightly
• 46[00:12:06] <missmbob> replaced-url
• 47[00:12:17] <teraflops> i mean i'd go with netinstall ^
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• 49[00:12:30] <bencc> teraflops: yes. I have
• 50[00:13:19] <teraflops> bencc: also for avoiding bugged autogenerated testing isos a barebone jessie install is fine then dist-upgrade
• 51[00:13:46] <teraflops> barebones? sorry it's late and my english sucks
• 52[00:13:56] <bencc> teraflops: I want to use the recent gstreamer 1.10.1 deb
• 53[00:14:12] <bencc> teraflops: can I install it on jessie?
• 54[00:14:22] <bencc> I know a bit of Ubuntu but never used debian
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• 59[00:14:55] <missmbob> no. he said install jessie then dist-upgrade to stretch
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• 61[00:15:13] <missmbob> the stretch iso should only be used to test the installer, not to install stretch
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• 64[00:15:33] <teraflops> bencc: idk if it's backported
• 65[00:15:40] <missmbob> it's not
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• 67[00:16:09] <bencc> I'm trying first to test as a virtualbox guest and than I'll use docker
• 68[00:16:20] <bencc> maybe I'll just start with docker and done with it :)
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• 94[00:31:09] <pingfloyd> bencc: if you want it to be easy and reliable. Install just base from the stable installer, dist-upgrade to testing, then install what else you need from there.
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• 97[00:31:47] <pingfloyd> it's really not that hard. The most mundane part is the install through installer.
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• 104[00:35:40] <bencc> pingfloyd: can you please give me a link to the installer?
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• 106[00:35:53] <bencc> I don't understand why there are so many options
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• 111[00:39:23] <epicwalrus> replaced-url
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• 115[00:40:39] <bencc> thanks
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• 128[00:50:00] <winsen> hi all
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• 130[00:51:29] <winsen> hi all
• 131[00:51:30] <winsen> how can I purge partition without deleting the grub?
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• 154[01:06:29] <pingfloyd> babilen: which installer do you want?
• 155[01:06:34] <pingfloyd> bencc1: ^
• 156[01:06:42] <pingfloyd> bencc1: there's quite a few to choose from
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• 158[01:06:53] <frlttrwrd> so I gave up on that stuck install and tried ubuntu server instead. guess on what it's hanging: "Running live-installer-console-setup..."
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• 165[01:09:57] <frlttrwrd> oh well, enough for today. thanks for trying to help.
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• 167[01:10:08] <bencc1> pingfloyd: I'll try the net installer
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• 171[01:11:40] <winsen> any clue guys?
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• 177[01:15:21] <dka> everytime ?
• 178[01:15:58] <winsen> Bashing-om: hi, are you the guy who tried to help yesterday?
• 179[01:16:09] <dka> sorry amsg
• 180[01:16:27] <winsen> how can I purge partition without deleting the grub?
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• 182[01:17:46] <fred``> what do you mean with 'purge' ?
• 183[01:18:05] <fred``> as long as you dont delete the partition with grub you should be safe
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• 185[01:19:01] <winsen> any clue guys?
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• 190[01:22:19] <centrx> Already answered/asked
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• 192[01:24:25] <monsune> i'm installing a fresh machine... ext3 or ext4?
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• 194[01:25:08] <monsune> i mean are there any particular and well proven cons of using ext4 over ext3? performance? data safety?
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• 197[01:27:25] <pingfloyd> monsune: there's quite a few
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• 199[01:28:39] <missmbob> monsune: for an internal drive i'd use ext4
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• 201[01:29:16] <pingfloyd> monsune: here some replaced-url
• 202[01:30:11] <missmbob> pingfloyd: none of those are cons of using ext4 over ext3
• 203[01:30:37] <pingfloyd> yeah, those are the pros. I can't think of any cons.
• 204[01:30:49] <missmbob> then you should've told him "no", not "quite a few" :P
• 205[01:31:05] <n4dir1> grammer nazi, huh? :-)
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• 207[01:31:09] <centrx> monsune: use ext4 unless you have some truly wacky use case that warrants further research (in which case, also look beyond ext3/4)
• 208[01:31:17] <missmbob> n4dir1: big fucking difference in this case
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• 210[01:31:40] <centrx> n4dir1: it's spelled grammar, thanks
• 211[01:31:56] <n4dir1> i wouldn't call the opposite that much of a difference. (me thinks it's spelled grandma, not grammar)
• 212[01:32:08] <pingfloyd> grammar on irc is shooting fish in a barrel
• 213[01:32:13] <monsune> i'm going to use it for filesystem and proxmox, what i'm wanting is the maximum performance and from what i read so far ext4 is way faster when writing but still there are doubts about data safety (related to potential bugs) with ext4 which make me wonder...
• 214[01:32:20] <missmbob> saying "yes" instead of "no" isn't grammar
• 215[01:32:29] <pingfloyd> it's needlessly pedantic
• 216[01:32:31] <monsune> err i'm going to use it for system and proxmox*
• 217[01:32:42] <missmbob> monsune: use ext4. but dont come here for proxmox help
• 218[01:32:47] <missmbob> !proxmox
• 219[01:32:47] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
• 220[01:32:53] <monsune> yeah i know missmbob :)
• 221[01:32:55] <pingfloyd> the point is there is practically nothing but upside to use ext4 instead of ext3
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• 223[01:33:14] <monsune> pingfloyd i thought so too
• 224[01:33:32] <pingfloyd> but lets waste more time with meta-criticism
• 225[01:33:41] <n4dir1> hurray.
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• 228[01:34:09] <monsune> i mean i really want to use ext4 but i don't want to bring any more data safety risks in, for same reason i didn't decide on xfs as i heard shit will happen in case of power outage etc.
• 229[01:34:30] <n4dir1> monsune: consider a good backup-solution. perhaps
• 230[01:35:04] <monsune> n4dir well easier said than done :)
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• 234[01:35:31] <n4dir1> nah, rather easy. rsync the whole shebang. for example.
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• 237[01:35:52] <monsune> that machine is going to hold at least 8TB so really, how do i backup that daily?
• 238[01:35:52] <pingfloyd> monsune: the only think I can think of why you might ever use ext3 instead of ext4 is that your OS has poor ext4 support (as in very old kernel and userland).
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• 240[01:36:21] <n4dir1> monsune: ok, got you.
• 241[01:36:32] <monsune> i need a reliable filesystem that won't just crack up someday because of a bug, ext3 is tested tru years and never failed me, i would love ext4 to be the same
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• 245[01:36:51] <missmbob> it is. ext4 is solid
• 246[01:36:52] <n4dir1> well: monsune if you use rsync with the -u option, it will only update what has changed. Doing it daily should run through quickly
• 247[01:37:11] <monsune> pingfloyd yeah that's what i also thought - could be poor kernel support or such
• 248[01:37:27] <monsune> there used to be issues with older kernels and ext4 definitely and that scared me
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• 256[01:38:35] <monsune> n4dir i would still need another machine just for backup then :) i mean i backup partially on a daily basis, i will be fine unless the filesystem itself fails and everything goes down then, that would be a disaster
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• 258[01:39:49] <monsune> pingfloyd btw not easy to get any help in #proxmox when you badly need it...
• 259[01:40:05] <monsune> and still, it is debian based so..
• 260[01:40:22] <missmbob> it would be nice if you followed the channel guidelines and obeyed the topic
• 261[01:40:22] <n4dir1> at the end it is your choice. But only hoping and if that doesn't work a possible disaster wouldn't be of my liking
• 262[01:40:37] <missmbob> "debian based" doesn't mean it belongs here
• 263[01:40:59] <monsune> i should ask like this: is jessie 8.6 OK with ext4? (that's what proxmox 4.3 uses)
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• 265[01:41:06] <missmbob> yes
• 266[01:41:19] <monsune> missmbob i'm trying hard
• 267[01:41:54] <monsune> n4dir it's a hard decision and i'm just 1 click away from deciding on the fs for the years to come
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• 270[01:42:20] <monsune> missmbob so you would go with ext4?
• 271[01:42:31] <missmbob> monsune: yes. unless it's an external hd
• 272[01:42:40] <monsune> it's not, it's a pure system drive
• 273[01:42:54] <monsune> well, raid0 so make it 2 drives
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• 275[01:43:25] <monsune> but maybe there are issues with ext4 and soft raid 0 :)
• 276[01:43:31] <missmbob> no it's fine
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• 278[01:43:50] <monsune> thank you missmbob, i think i will give ext4 a go
• 279[01:44:00] <monsune> that's what pingfloyd suggested as well
• 280[01:44:28] <monsune> hell, i would even use xfs
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• 282[01:45:30] <pencilandpaper> I used xfs for my external hdd.
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• 288[01:47:08] <monsune> pencilandpaper hm would be nice to try it for system and see some serious performance gain... after all my dedicated never went down for 3 years so hmm...
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• 291[01:47:52] <pos> btrfs, zfs or gtfo
• 292[01:48:07] <pos> some performance impact yes, but the features are stunning
• 293[01:48:14] <missmbob> i wouldn't touch btrfs yet
• 294[01:48:19] <Benguitar> Open question, How do you guys backup your Linux systems? More so, do you or do you not use clones, bootable backups or backup images? Lastly, how do you recommend going about setting up a solid backup solution?
• 295[01:48:59] <qman__> rsync
• 296[01:49:38] <qman__> I use a variety of solutions but they're all based on using rsync to back up the files
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• 301[01:50:38] <qman__> everything from simple custom scripts to a backuppc server using rsync
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• 303[01:50:47] <monsune> pos would you like to explain about the features a bit?
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• 306[01:51:20] <pencilandpaper> If its internal monsune , I would probably stick to ext4 man. Thats just me.
• 307[01:51:26] <missmbob> monsune: one of btrfs' features is total loss of data in soft raid 5/6
• 308[01:51:28] <pos> running integrity checks, snapshots, softraid, replication, etc
• 309[01:51:28] <monsune> i nearly decided on ext4 but still am considering xfs if there would be some significiant improvement with it
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• 311[01:51:43] <monsune> missmbob sounds great
• 312[01:51:50] <missmbob> monsune: seriously. dont use it.
• 313[01:51:58] <pencilandpaper> That is for btrfs pos ?
• 314[01:52:03] <pos> both
• 315[01:52:07] <pencilandpaper> Ok thanks..
• 316[01:52:16] <monsune> but xfs != btrfs
• 317[01:52:30] <missmbob> monsune: because not many of us really care about xfs. you should get the hint :P
• 318[01:52:59] <missmbob> monsune: xfs' main strengths wont be used in your user case
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• 321[01:53:54] <monsune> missmbob got it :) going with ext4
• 322[01:54:17] <pos> monsune, then what do you do when you run out of space?
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• 324[01:55:14] <pos> monsune, with btrfs you could add a second, third/fourth drive, covert the existing disk/fs to RAID10 and balance
• 325[01:55:19] <missmbob> he'll expand the lvm
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• 328[01:55:56] <pos> or that, given that he did configure it as an lvm to begin with
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• 331[01:57:48] <alex1a> anyone know how i start a command on debian tty login ? (i guess is on bashrc file) ?
• 332[01:57:55] <alex1a> i want to tail a file on startup
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• 335[01:59:11] <alex1a> i guess i can do "bash <command>
• 336[02:00:51] <missmbob> alex1a: yes, you could add tail to ~/.bashrc if you really want.
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• 340[02:01:26] <n4dir1> i never can keep it sorted, alex1a, but there is a difference between .profile and .bashrc (and what not), and the web says .profile is for login shells, .bashrc not
• 341[02:01:45] <alex1a> thanks missmbob, you know how prevent a debian from display sleeping ? is not debian, its raspbian :x
• 342[02:02:06] <monsune> pos i read you, i in fact just configured LVM
• 343[02:02:44] <alex1a> n4dir1, yeah i want to tail on host, not on virtual logins
• 344[02:02:50] <alex1a> n4dir1, thanks
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• 346[02:03:12] <Hello71> alex1a: probably better to set it as the program to run in that tty
• 347[02:03:40] <Hello71> or if you insist on a password, make a utility user and set their shell to the script
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• 349[02:03:57] <alex1a> logging throw a ssh tunnel is logging in a specific tty ?
• 350[02:03:58] <n4dir1> alexa1 i mainly wanted to say that it might get confusing with all those files ...
• 351[02:04:01] <alex1a> on a vitual tty ?
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• 366[02:12:54] <laurus> Is there a piece of software that can keep track of Birthdays and show a notification when someone's birthday arrives?
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• 368[02:13:26] <Anselmo> laurus: well, you could use a calendar thing like when
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• 370[02:13:36] <epicwalrus> icedove has a calender that you can set events on
• 371[02:14:45] <n4dir1> i seem to recall i used osmo for a while
• 372[02:15:11] <laurus> n4dir1, I used to use it as well... I stopped though since it was less convenient than Emacs Org Mode.
• 373[02:15:26] <laurus> The problem is that Emacs Org Mode has something called Org Contacts that doesn't work well with birthdays.
• 374[02:15:30] <pos> cron and mail?
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• 379[02:18:20] <Getty> I installed debian on a T420 ThinkPad (so Intel Wifi), the wlan0 device is there, but i cant make it "Up" cause rfkill, but if i go to rfkill list it doesnt appear, and unblock all is already added to rc.local and nothing works, someone has an idea?
• 380[02:19:09] <pos> Getty, is networkmanager running?
• 381[02:19:34] <Getty> oh yeah i first tried to make it with networkmanager but in the kde network manager the wifi is not even listed or anything
• 382[02:20:02] <pos> /etc/init.d/network-manager stop
• 383[02:20:05] <Getty> i am totally lost, i would prefer the clicki clicki gui way but thought as it didnt worked that i should try commandline, but given that this fails now it might be a deeper problem
• 384[02:20:11] <Getty> ok trying
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• 386[02:21:06] <pos> oh, btw: is firmware-iwlwifi installed?
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• 388[02:21:16] <pos> dpkg -l | grep iwl
• 389[02:21:16] <dpkg> No packages found matching | grep iwl
• 390[02:22:12] <tvm> Getty, yeah, you need firmware-iwlwifi
• 391[02:22:13] <Getty> the module is loaded
• 392[02:22:30] <Getty> i didnt made it at the install i made it later, but i think i did it right, let me double check
• 393[02:22:42] <tvm> what's the output of ip a ? do you see wireless interface
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• 395[02:23:11] <Getty> yes ip a listing it
• 396[02:23:59] <Getty> stopped network manager, still "Operation not possible due to RF-kill"
• 397[02:24:10] <Getty> oh i see just now that i was wrong about it not being listed in rfkill it is
• 398[02:24:12] <tvm> well, did it work before ?
• 399[02:24:14] <Getty> hard and soft blocked
• 400[02:24:16] <pos> and firmware-iwlwifi?
• 401[02:24:19] <Getty> no, first time making work
• 402[02:24:27] <tvm> is the hardware button enabled ?
• 403[02:24:33] <Getty> is installed
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• 405[02:24:52] <tvm> i mean, on the physical laptop, that little thinkpad button that enables/disables wifi
• 406[02:25:04] <Getty> i am unsure.... i dont recall having one, let me put on light
• 407[02:25:06] <pos> tvm, softbutton since t400
• 408[02:25:17] <tvm> this it t430 and i think i have it
• 409[02:25:27] <tvm> yup
• 410[02:25:32] <Getty> t420 is mine
• 411[02:26:01] <tvm> well, either that - or your card is in some odd state
• 412[02:26:10] <Getty> oh shit wait i have to go to the other floor........... let me check
• 413[02:26:26] <tvm> you can restart your networking daemon, reload modules, restart, whatever
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• 416[02:28:13] <tvm> you can try to enable/disable it via your networkmanager
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• 422[02:29:26] <tvm> sometimes powersave mode switching or promiscuous mode cause that, it can be really anything
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• 424[02:30:36] <Getty> ok definitly no button
• 425[02:31:27] <Getty> i also just rebooted now to test if it comes up so that i dont need to go down later ;)
• 426[02:32:24] <Getty> tvm: yeah you mean via the kde network manager then for example, right?
• 427[02:33:02] <tvm> well, if you restarted, there's probably no point
• 428[02:33:03] <Getty> tvm: cause there was nothing :( the wifi wasnt there and the button active/deactivate wifi was disabled
• 429[02:33:18] <Getty> i rebooted a lot ;)
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• 431[02:34:17] <tvm> what about dmesg | grep -i iwl
• 432[02:34:19] <Getty> i think the key problem i have is in the hardblock, as that shouldnt be there....
• 433[02:34:21] <tvm> do you see anything ?
• 434[02:34:58] <Getty> yeah iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: RF_KILL bit toggled to disable radio.
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• 436[02:35:18] <Getty> thats suspicious ;) the rest shows no error or anything, all looks "ok" beside that one
• 437[02:35:43] <tvm> you should have the hardware button
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• 439[02:36:11] <Getty> yeah i do understand the point but i checked now and there is nothing, i hit all extra functions buttons and everything and checked rfkill after everyone
• 440[02:36:18] <tvm> replaced-url
• 441[02:36:19] <Getty> and none of them changed that state :(
• 442[02:36:31] <Getty> OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH
• 443[02:36:37] <Getty> on the side...... OK that makes sense ;)
• 444[02:36:43] * tvm facepalms
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• 446[02:37:10] <Getty> hey how should i know ;) its a refurbished one, no good documentation included
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• 448[02:38:50] <Getty> i just realized that windows then is ignoring that button cause it worked under windows
• 449[02:39:18] <tvm> hmm, i wouldn't say so
• 450[02:39:24] <tvm> this button is hardware switch
• 451[02:39:32] <tvm> if it worked, it was probably on
• 452[02:39:47] <Getty> no i am very sure i didnt touched that button, it was also pretty "hard" to switch over
• 453[02:39:51] <Getty> no way i could have done that by mistake
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• 455[02:40:01] <Getty> it was off since i received it
• 456[02:40:11] <tvm> oh ?
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• 458[02:40:52] <tvm> well, does the interface something now ?
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• 460[02:40:59] <Getty> thats what i mean, that double confuses me now, that under windows (dual boot installation you know travel laptop) i had no problem with the wifi, i literally did everything over the wifi before i installed linux, where i then used the wired cause i didnt had the firmware ready
• 461[02:41:22] <hightower2> Hey, how can I change the "Array UUID" of a RAID1 created with mdadm?
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• 464[02:42:16] <Getty> yeah but then i will for sure tomorrow try back with network manager, then it all makes sense
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• 467[02:43:29] <b34bb> hello
• 468[02:43:54] <tvm> Getty, if you just check dmesg, there should be something on the end after you switched the button
• 469[02:44:13] <Getty> tvm: it looks all cool now the rfkill is gone so i assume it will be all now no problem
• 470[02:44:17] <Getty> it had to be something "big" ;)
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• 473[02:45:13] <tvm> good ;-)
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• 475[02:46:13] <tvm> Getty, oh and next time when you'll want to use your wireless interface, try to enable it! </dry_joke>
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• 477[02:46:39] <Getty> well technical i did use it with the windows :-P so its a real bad joke now ;)
• 478[02:46:42] <b34bb> I just installed jessie on a computer with a Nvidia MCP61 Ethernet adapter, netinst worked just fine but after reboot I don't even have an eth0 interface
• 479[02:46:48] <b34bb> any ideas on this?
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• 481[02:47:00] <Getty> its not the first time windows just totally ignores all the hardware switches i made.....
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• 495[02:55:47] <hightower2> To answer my own question, it does look like (at least the recent version) of mdadm can do mdadm -A --update=uuid --uuid=.... <md> <devices>
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• 505[03:01:03] <oats> hello, I'm trying to install systemd-container on my jessie vps. apt is spitting out this error: replaced-url
• 506[03:01:24] <oats> I don't have much experience with apt so I'm not sure how to resolve this. can anybody help me out here?
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• 512[03:06:34] <oats> actually nevermind, it seems that systemd-nspawn is already included with systemd
• 513[03:07:02] <Getty> everything is included in systemd and if its not included then it will probably not work with it ;-)
• 514[03:07:10] * Getty couldn't resist
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• 520[03:07:55] <missmbob> oats: you did it wrong. you should've done sudo apt install systemd-container -t jessie-backports
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• 522[03:08:06] <oats> missmbob: gotcha, thanks
• 523[03:08:15] <oats> turns out that's unnecessary though
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• 527[03:08:46] <hanshenrik_> invoking gnu screen: Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/1' - please check.
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• 529[03:08:54] <hanshenrik_> any idea why?
• 530[03:09:14] <hanshenrik_> the default login shell for this user is /bin/false , could that be related?
• 531[03:09:27] <hanshenrik_> err, or it might be /usr/bin/nologin , either way
• 532[03:09:29] <missmbob> you probably did sudo su into ...oh, you did
• 533[03:09:36] <hanshenrik_> yes i did
• 534[03:09:41] <missmbob> yeah that wont work
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• 537[03:10:09] <hanshenrik_> why not? works with other users
• 538[03:10:26] <hanshenrik_> well, works with 1 other user where the login shell is /bin/bash
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• 540[03:10:45] <hanshenrik_> whoa no it doesn
• 541[03:10:46] <hanshenrik_> t
• 542[03:10:47] <hanshenrik_> sorry
• 543[03:10:49] <hanshenrik_> uhh
• 544[03:12:02] <hanshenrik_> why doesn't it work?
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• 547[03:13:26] <hanshenrik_> missmbob, for whatever reason, it works if i issue this command first: script /dev/null
• 548[03:13:48] <hanshenrik_> (found from a google search. i have no idea what the command does, other than that it makes screen work )
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• 551[03:14:39] <missmbob> script makes a typescript of a terminal session. basically it fakes it
• 552[03:15:26] <hanshenrik_> kay.. i thought typescript was 1 of those weird compile-to-javascript languages that tried to "fix" javascript
• 553[03:15:50] <hanshenrik_> i guess you're not referring to the scripting language
• 554[03:16:11] <missmbob> i'm not
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• 556[03:18:19] <hanshenrik_> >Script done, file is /dev/null
• 557[03:18:33] <hanshenrik_> would that contain like a log of everything written to stdout?
• 558[03:18:53] <hanshenrik_> (if it was a normal file)
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• 560[03:19:11] <missmbob> it's not. everything in null goes away like it never existed
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• 562[03:19:22] <missmbob> null is nothingness
• 563[03:19:36] <missmbob> like my life
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• 568[03:21:28] <hanshenrik_> yeah but if it was /home/hanshenrik/mylog.txt
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• 570[03:22:00] <si_kabayan> debdelta has been down for a week. It's seems that the replaced-url
• 571[03:22:30] <missmbob> hanshenrik_: no. you can test it. the file will be empty
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• 573[03:22:43] <hanshenrik_> what is the file about then?
• 574[03:24:02] <CSmith-> On every boot my laptop runs a disk clean on sda, why does it do this even if the system rebooted sucessfuly? is there any way i can stop it?
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• 587[03:28:56] <th0r> CSmith-, check field six in man fstab
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• 596[03:32:26] <CSmith-> thanks th0r so it is currently 1 in fstab, if i change to 0 it will not run fstab, will it still run on an unclean shutdown? or would i need to run fstab manually (or put some sort of check to run it automatically)?
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• 598[03:33:42] <th0r> CSmith-, i assume you meant fsck, not fstab. you would have to run it manually if you change it to 0
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• 600[03:34:09] <CSmith-> yes i did, sorry :P and thanks.
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• 602[03:35:09] <th0r> CSmith-, if sda1 is your /, you can force a check on the next reboot with 'touch /forcefsck'
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• 604[03:38:28] <th0r> CSmith-, that should have been sudo touch /forcefsck
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• 610[03:41:39] <CSmith-> ok thanks. Just rebooted and it still rank fsck. I'll reboot again and post a pic of the message I get to make sure we're both talking about the same thing...
• 611[03:41:44] <CSmith-> ran*
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• 622[03:48:44] <k_sze[work]> Why does mount show double-slashes for some of the mounts?
• 623[03:49:52] <k_sze[work]> e.g. 192.168.2.1://srv/exported/foo on /mnt/foo
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• 625[03:50:03] <k_sze[work]> How can I get rid of those double-slashes?
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• 627[03:50:46] <th0r> k_sze[work], they indicate network drives...you can't get rid of them
• 628[03:50:51] <CSmith-> T
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• 630[03:51:43] <k_sze[work]> Then is it ok if I compose my mount command or fstab entry with double-slashes as well?
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• 632[03:52:26] <th0r> k_sze[work], depends on what you are trying to mount
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• 634[03:52:41] <k_sze[work]> th0r: NFS4 volume
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• 637[03:54:15] <k_sze[work]> because right now, if I ask SaltStack to ensure 192.168.2.1:/srv/exported/foo is mounted, SaltStack gets confused and thinks the existing mount is different (because of the double-slashes).
• 638[03:54:34] <k_sze[work]> and SaltStack would force unmount it and then remount.
• 639[03:54:37] <k_sze[work]> which is stupid.
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• 643[03:55:03] <th0r> k_sze[work], yes...there would be // in such a case. but that might not be a good idea as boot would hang if the server was offline
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• 645[03:55:07] <CSmith-> th0r, the boot message is -> replaced-url
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• 649[03:56:21] <k_sze[work]> th0r: I think it's ok if boot hangs in my case. Because all bets are off if the server is offline, my host can't do meaningful work without that mount.
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• 657[04:01:49] <th0r> CSmith-, looks like it should skip.the check. but to be honest I have never tried to skip that one....seemed too important
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• 659[04:02:51] <CSmith-> Hmm OK. Maybe fsck forces it as it is the root partition. I'll go back to google for a bit now I know what's causing it :) thanks
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• 661[04:05:30] <hellyeah> fsck can corrupt your partition
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• 663[04:06:13] <CSmith-> hellyeah, please explain? I thought it was meant to prevent that??
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• 666[04:06:45] <th0r> CSmith-, i wouldn't give much credence to that if i were you
• 667[04:06:56] <hellyeah> if you dont use option carefully like fsck -f can cause bad magic number
• 668[04:07:06] <hellyeah> dont use -f
• 669[04:07:17] <hellyeah> i got bad magic number many times
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• 671[04:08:21] <CSmith-> -f isn't even mentioned in the fsck man page... what is it supposed to do?
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• 675[04:09:23] <hellyeah> really
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• 678[04:09:59] <hellyeah> sorry
• 679[04:10:09] <hellyeah> that existed before
• 680[04:10:26] <CSmith-> all ok then :P
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• 692[04:18:56] <CSmith-> got it to work by adding fastboot option to grub config, doesn't make a difference to boot time though so I'll probably just keep fsck on
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• 696[04:25:29] <bibble> what's the best linux to linux rdp to use; vnc, nomachine, etc ?
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• 699[04:26:05] <bibble> ...with xfce desktop
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• 702[04:28:22] <th0r> bibble, nomachine is a tad faster, but cpu went sky high when I tried it.
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• 704[04:29:23] <th0r> bibble, I settled on x11vnc as I run it on display 0 so things keep running when I disconnect
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• 706[04:30:03] <bibble> interesting th0r , thanks. do you use it over ssh ?
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• 715[04:31:13] <th0r> bibble, I use it on a local network .i rarely sit in front of a monitor anymmore. typing this on a tablet vnc'ed into a raspberry.pi running xfce
• 716[04:31:57] <bibble> th0r: oh, niice !! :)
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• 719[04:33:11] <th0r> bibble, yeah. i have three desktops available. right now one is fetching a torrent,
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• 721[04:33:37] <th0r> one is sitting idle, and this one is running hexchat.
• 722[04:34:09] <th0r> and i can still drop the connection and use the tablet without losing anything
• 723[04:34:37] <bibble> yeah, that's great :)
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• 725[04:35:15] <bibble> will look into x11vnc and tunnel through ssh. have you got audio th0r ?
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• 727[04:35:49] <th0r> realvnc on android supports ssh, but i have no need. wish i could play with outside access :)
• 728[04:36:06] <bibble> :)
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• 731[04:37:15] <th0r> no audio, but never really tried. since this pi is connected to the tv, there was no need
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• 733[04:37:30] <bibble> right. makes sense
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• 756[04:52:30] <MarvelDigital> I tried install steam according to the instructions on wiki.debian.org page. I have a Nvidia GTX 750 video card. Part way through installing, the system complains about a mismatched kernal module (352.79 installed vs 367.44 being installed). How can i fix this? i had so much trouble with getting the right drivers before and I don't want to mess up my system.
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• 758[04:53:37] <missmbob> basically it's saying you need to get nvidia-driver from jessie-backports
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• 760[04:54:03] <MarvelDigital> thanks missmbob ... does that mean i just need to reboot and everything will be fine?
• 761[04:54:18] <missmbob> did you install nvidia-driver from jessie-backports?
• 762[04:54:46] <missmbob> using apt-get -t jessie-backports
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• 764[04:58:05] <MarvelDigital> missmbob, no. i just followed from whatever the instructions were on the replaced-url
• 765[04:58:25] <missmbob> the error you just pasted says you need to
• 766[04:58:33] <missmbob> do that first before you reboot
• 767[04:58:50] <MarvelDigital> ok thanks so much missmbob .
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• 770[04:59:30] <MarvelDigital> i'm deathly afraid of messing up my video card settings. i had such a horrible experience getting them to work.
• 771[05:00:00] <missmbob> it sucks, yeah. that's why never have a real gpu. never anything other than intel
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• 773[05:02:17] <MarvelDigital> i was hoping getting a more high end video card would allow me to play those pretty games they have out for the other systems more easily.
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• 813[05:40:44] <monsune> missmbob? zfs?
• 814[05:41:30] <monsune> just please don't say no :) as i spent 2 hours hacking tru ipmi to make it happen :)
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• 908[06:51:50] <squigz> I've installed vnstat and vnstatd. I've ran sudo vnstat -u -i eth0 and the daemon is running (according to systemctl and ps) but vnstat is not returning any new information
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• 922[07:03:05] <squigz> Figured it out: running 'sudo vnstat -u -i eth0' creates files owned by root, while the service runs the daemon as a vnstat user
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• 925[07:11:48] <awal1> So it like like there are no an apt/apt-get equivalents for aptitude why/why-not?
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• 927[07:11:58] <awal1> it looks like ^
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• 1010[08:19:10] <User142> is it prefareable to use zfs raid-1 than mdadm raid-1 ?
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• 1015[08:21:34] <Ke> User142: it's a matter of preference =oP
• 1016[08:21:53] <Ke> if you use ZFS anyway, I would use zfs raid
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• 1037[08:34:22] <User142> Ke: i read online and found out some people talks about mdadm raid-1
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• 1039[08:35:41] <Ke> mdadm raid1 at least exists, unlike many things discussed on the internet
• 1040[08:35:53] <User142> Ke: example replaced-url
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• 1042[08:36:21] <User142> Ke: replaced-url
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• 1094[09:01:40] <styler2go> i am trying to start chromium using some udev rule but the chromium always dies. starting it in any other way than using the udev rules, it works. any idea what's different when udev starts a script?
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• 1099[09:03:46] <missmbob> need to export display?
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• 1101[09:03:57] <styler2go> i did all that
• 1102[09:04:18] <styler2go> chromium does show on screen but it shows the page "aw snap" and neither keyboard nor chromium can be used
• 1103[09:04:29] <botwanker> styler2go: aw snap, Your mother is available, for sex?
• 1104[09:04:39] <styler2go> wtf
• 1105[09:04:44] <botwanker> wtf, Your mother is available, for sex?
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• 1112[09:07:38] <styler2go> thanks i guess
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• 1164[09:37:39] <ausinch> I have a 4 servers in locations around europe complaining that apt-transport-https is not installed. Seems these mirrors have had https turned on. Is this a known issue?
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• 1171[09:39:27] <missmbob> ausinch: doesn't matter if it was "turned on". it matters what your sources.list says. if it is set for https or http
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• 1173[09:40:06] <ausinch> All have http references no https at all
• 1174[09:40:24] <missmbob> you must somewhere. check in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory
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• 1178[09:44:10] <ausinch> missmbob: Yup . . . culprit is /etc/apt/sources.list.d/syncthing.list it says http - they have changed their server. Remarking the entry fixes the issue.
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• 1181[09:45:12] <ausinch> I will notify them. Many thanks missmbob
• 1182[09:45:26] <missmbob> np
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• 1184[09:45:32] <botwanker> Hello
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• 1203[09:51:31] <awal1> !ops botwanker
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• 1209[09:52:58] <squigz> BotaniCar: go away
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• 1235[10:09:34] <hellyeah> hey anyone around?
• 1236[10:11:17] <babilen> hellyeah: You are alone
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• 1240[10:12:08] <hellyeah> hmm
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• 1244[10:12:38] <hellyeah> :D
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• 1247[10:14:31] <hellyeah> in debian jessie i couldnt install mysql-server
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• 1249[10:16:01] <GNU\colossus> you should look for mariadb instead
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• 1251[10:16:21] <hellyeah> ah
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• 1253[10:16:28] <hellyeah> hmm yeah
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• 1260[10:21:17] <hellyeah> hmm if i try to install mariadb-server-10.0 try to remove some packages
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• 1262[10:26:12] <babilen> dpkg: bat
• 1263[10:26:12] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 1264[10:26:15] <babilen> hellyeah: ^
• 1265[10:26:34] <babilen> (you should also be able to install mysql-server btw, but use mariadb)
• 1266[10:26:36] <hellyeah> try to remove those replaced-url
• 1267[10:26:53] <hellyeah> no package mysql-server in repo
• 1268[10:26:56] <babilen> Please paste your command and the entire output
• 1269[10:27:17] <hellyeah> just a sec
• 1270[10:27:37] <babilen> hellyeah: Please read the message from dpkg again and provide the requested information. A copy of your sources.list would also be helpful. Use a single paste :)
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• 1272[10:28:03] <hellyeah> i read after typing
• 1273[10:28:05] <hellyeah> sorry for that
• 1274[10:28:08] <hellyeah> :D
• 1275[10:28:16] <babilen> It's okay, no worries
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• 1277[10:29:33] <hellyeah> i hope thats enough information replaced-url
• 1278[10:30:22] <babilen> It looks as if akonadi (some KDE data foo) depends on MySQL server
• 1279[10:30:48] <babilen> As you install mariadb the installed mysql-server-core-5.5 is removed and triggers removal of akonadi and dependencies also
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• 1283[10:31:24] <hellyeah> ah
• 1284[10:31:44] <hellyeah> okey it didnt remove any stuff that damage the systrem
• 1285[10:31:47] <hellyeah> thats good
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• 1287[10:32:16] <hellyeah> i didnt remember i installed akonadi btw
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• 1289[10:32:58] <babilen> KDE pulled that in, I'm sure
• 1290[10:33:05] <hellyeah> wondering mysql and mariadb is totally identical?
• 1291[10:33:23] <babilen> They are not totally identical (what would be the point of that?)
• 1292[10:33:40] <rmrfchik> sup, any ideas how to download file over a number of ssh sessions?
• 1293[10:33:41] <hellyeah> hmm people said mariadb is replacement of mysql
• 1294[10:33:44] <babilen> MariaDB is, however, a drop-in replacement for MySQL
• 1295[10:33:52] <babilen> Yes, but they are not *identical*
• 1296[10:33:59] <hellyeah> hmm okay
• 1297[10:34:05] <babilen> As in: Completely, in every respect, the same
• 1298[10:34:35] <missmbob> if you get mariadb from their official repo it's an easy quick way to fuck up debian
• 1299[10:34:38] <hellyeah> same != identical?
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• 1301[10:34:58] <hellyeah> misiek200m: i used debian official repo
• 1302[10:35:08] <missmbob> good
• 1303[10:35:15] <hellyeah> missmbob: it braks the system?
• 1304[10:37:31] <babilen> What does?
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• 1306[10:38:03] <missmbob> they mix library names on us
• 1307[10:38:10] <hellyeah> missmbob said using mariadb's repo can fuck the debian
• 1308[10:38:17] <hellyeah> hmm
• 1309[10:38:20] <babilen> Yes, but you are not using that, are you?
• 1310[10:38:26] <hellyeah> i didnt
• 1311[10:38:34] <hellyeah> i have used it almost
• 1312[10:38:34] <hellyeah> :D
• 1313[10:38:38] <hellyeah> but i didnt
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• 1394[11:23:09] <dFence> Hey guys! When uncompressing a file with gzip, can I grab the name of the output file from gzip itself?
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• 1396[11:23:14] <dFence> (bash script scenario)
• 1397[11:24:55] <vlt> dFence: It’s usually ${filename%.gz}
• 1398[11:25:30] <dFence> vlt: I'm forced to work in a windows batch script, so I'm trying to involve as little tools like sed etc as possible
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• 1401[11:26:15] <ksk> dFence: but this is #debian, not #windows-batch? ;)
• 1402[11:26:20] <missmbob> but...windows runs bash...window subsystem for linux
• 1403[11:26:21] <vlt> dFence: Didn’t you say bash?
• 1404[11:26:43] <ksk> I would also think powershell is a might tool that can do things!
• 1405[11:26:43] <dFence> ksk: yeah... but I like debian ;)
• 1406[11:26:51] <dFence> vlt: freudian slip, meant batch...
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• 1408[11:26:56] <ksk> ;)
• 1409[11:27:20] <dFence> hm... maybe adding sed to the mix wouldn't hurt
• 1410[11:27:27] <missmbob> you should go ask some windows channel how to get the filename without extension
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• 1412[11:30:02] <dFence> missmbob: fsck windows - it might work on my machine, but I got 20 bucks riding on the fact that it will cause utter destruction on an identical machine just because that one's sitting next to the coffee machine
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• 1415[11:30:40] <missmbob> i have no idea what you're talking about. you're the one asking about windows in a linux channel
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• 1417[11:31:20] <dFence> missmbob: bottom line: I'm trying to keep this as GNU as possible
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• 1420[11:31:44] <missmbob> so use windows subsystem for linux and use bash like i already said
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• 1422[11:33:19] <dFence> missmbob: company machine, can't switch to developer mode / install the linux subsystem
• 1423[11:33:36] <missmbob> so use cygwin. you dont need admin rights to install
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• 1425[11:34:22] <ksk> yap, cygwin can do nice things. using it to deploy stuff via ssh to my windows VM ;)
• 1426[11:34:25] <babilen> Either way, this really has nothing to do with Debian
• 1427[11:34:30] <careta> is there a trick to prevent samba from starting? I can't stop it from starting at bootup. It's disabled as a service already
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• 1430[11:34:42] <careta> it just keeps coming back
• 1431[11:34:42] <babilen> careta: Did you mask it?
• 1432[11:34:54] <careta> babilen, I did sysctl disable samba
• 1433[11:34:57] <ksk> careta: that does not sound likely. if you did systemctl disable $server it should not start on bootup
• 1434[11:35:00] <babilen> dpkg: tell careta about disable service
• 1435[11:35:35] <ksk> sysctl != systemctl btw - but I did that too often myself..
• 1436[11:35:42] <babilen> And yes, that shouldn't start it .. you can mask it, but why don't you remove it then?
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• 1439[11:36:07] <careta> ● samba.service
• 1440[11:36:08] <careta> Loaded: masked (/dev/null; bad
• 1441[11:36:15] <careta> Active: inactive (dead)
• 1442[11:36:26] <careta> however... ps shows it's still running
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• 1444[11:37:11] <careta> and I also disabled it using sysv-rc-conf
• 1445[11:37:21] <careta> I just want it to die already
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• 1448[11:38:44] <careta> by removing you mean uninstalling? I still want it installed so I can start it when I need it
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• 1484[12:01:00] <drebs> i'm trying to use git-buildpackage with pristine-tar, so i do `gbp import-orig --pristine-tar ${pkg}_${version}.orig.tar.gz. But when running gpb buildpackage --pristine-tar, it tells me that it can't find ${pkg}_None.orig.tar.gz. Seems that it's trying to find "Upstream-Version" in the output of dpkg-parsechangelog, but there's no such a line there.
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• 1486[12:01:26] <drebs> someone knows what might be happening? I'm using debian stable.
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• 1488[12:02:27] <TyrfingMjolnir> cat /etc/fstab returns nothing
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• 1504[12:09:31] <MyD1CKis0N-FIRE> help
• 1505[12:09:50] <MyD1CKis0N-FIRE> its on fire
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• 1514[12:11:52] <Hestben> I bet it is not that big of a fire
• 1515[12:12:01] <TyrfingMjolnir> There is /etc/fstab.hd
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• 1518[12:12:13] <TyrfingMjolnir> How do I mount an NFS persistently in Jessie?
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• 1527[12:13:23] <petn-randall> TyrfingMjolnir: in /etc/fstab
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• 1529[12:13:33] <MyD1CKis0N-FIRE> its on fire cuz its so hot
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• 1531[12:13:39] <petn-randall> !ops MyD1CKis0N-FIRE
• 1532[12:13:40] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: MyD1CKis0N-FIRE
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• 1534[12:13:51] <MyD1CKis0N-FIRE> !ops HELP! IT BURNS!
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• 1568[12:33:14] <TyrfingMjolnir> My nfs volume is mounted
• 1569[12:33:18] <superKiller> hello , i am running a live version of debian and i am trying to install broadcom bcm43142 drivers for my laptop , and i am follwing this guide --> replaced-url
• 1570[12:33:21] <TyrfingMjolnir> but I have no user rights?
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• 1572[12:33:40] <TyrfingMjolnir> ls /mnt/nfslogson11/
• 1573[12:33:42] <TyrfingMjolnir> ls: cannot open directory /mnt/nfslogson11/: Permission denied
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• 1577[12:34:53] <superKiller> anybody ?
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• 1579[12:36:07] <superKiller> actually i just saw that broadcom bcm43142 is not supported ! :/ . so i have a comfast usb adapter connected to my laptop . how do i install drivers for that on debian live ?
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• 1593[12:40:42] <petn-randall> !tell TyrfingMjolnir -about ask
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• 1598[12:41:29] <superKiller> can anybody tell me what the default password for debian live version is ?
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• 1603[12:41:50] <missmbob> !live user
• 1604[12:41:50] <dpkg> The debian-live images for Debian 8 "Jessie" have a user account configured for you to use. username: user ; password: live
• 1605[12:42:02] <missmbob> superKiller: use the live version that includes firmware: replaced-url
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• 1625[12:48:00] <jonah> Hi can anyone please help with tcp wrappers? I've ran ldd /sbin/upsd | grep libwrap.so and there is no output. So I don't think the apt/deb package with my ubuntu distro has tcp wrappers built in for that daemon. Does anyone know if there is a way to add tcp wrapper support or do you have to compile from source? I'd rather use the distro package if I can to keep things easier to maintain and update/security updates etc. Thanks for any help
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• 1629[12:48:32] <superKiller_> thank you all for replying , but i have a question , replaced-url
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• 1631[12:49:07] <yulax> superKiller_: no need for the other files
• 1632[12:49:15] <yulax> just the iso as usual
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• 1635[12:49:37] <superKiller_> yulax: so i can use the live iso for the full install too , right ?
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• 1637[12:49:48] <yulax> i do not know
• 1638[12:49:57] <yulax> best to just try it out
• 1639[12:50:16] <superKiller_> well i have one more question
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• 1642[12:51:02] <superKiller_> i have a comfast usb adapter for which i found the cd , in it there was a linux folder , in which an install.sh file , so i run that file , but my usb adapter stil doesnt work.
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• 1647[12:52:08] <superKiller_> yulax: if you could help me here
• 1648[12:52:10] <yulax> superKiller_: the install.sh file will install a propritary driver. it then needs to restart to apply the changes
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• 1650[12:52:42] <yulax> superKiller_: have some patience you ungrateful kid
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• 1654[12:53:00] <superKiller_> yulax: but it is a live version , so i cant restart
• 1655[12:53:05] <superKiller_> yulax: im sorry :/
• 1656[12:53:06] <yulax> exactly
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• 1658[12:53:36] <yulax> most likely it won't work anyway due to kernel changes
• 1659[12:53:53] <yulax> so you are best getting an adaptor that is known to work
• 1660[12:54:20] <superKiller_> yulax: yeah i think , i used to have ubuntu , which my usb adapter would work with
• 1661[12:54:22] <yulax> ideally an atheros one, like from ThinkPenguin sell USB and PCI ones that work with foss firmware
• 1662[12:55:19] <yulax> next best bet are the ones that are made for raspberry pi, although you need to remember that these require proprietary firmware, so won't work out of the box
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• 1666[12:57:15] <superKiller_> yulax: ah yes , think im gonna have to work with windows10 for now :/
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• 1680[13:03:00] <petn-randall> jonah: Ubuntu support is in #ubuntu, this channel is for Debian support only.
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• 1689[13:05:13] <jonah> petn-randall: hi thanks, I have asked there but I just thought someone from debian may also know as the question isn't so much about ubuntu itself but how you may go about building tcp wrappers support into a pre-built .deb package you've installed via apt. I didn't know if a package can be reconfigured etc to enable to tcp wrapper support or if it must be built from souce
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• 1770[13:52:43] <asarch> If I do: apt-get -y install postgresql-client, which version of PostgreSQL will it use?
• 1771[13:52:59] <asarch> Is there any way to know it before commit the installation?
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• 1774[13:53:33] <Cypouz> asarch, apt-cache policy postgresql-client
• 1775[13:53:45] <Cypouz> asarch, see the "candidat" field.
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• 1777[13:55:15] <jelly> asarch: two things: 1) apt-get has a dry run option 2) why are you doing -y? apt will ask you to confirm by default if you omit that option
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• 1780[13:58:00] <Devastator> I don't know if it is supported, but I would use postgresql's official repo in this case, I don't know if the helpers agree
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• 1787[14:00:55] <silvernode> New Debian user here, loving Debian. Thanks to all of you for all your hard work :)
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• 1794[14:02:50] <silvernode> I mean if you count Ubuntu I have been using Debian for 10 years but it wasn't until a few weeks ago I install jessie and I have to say, the experience is so good I installed it on all of my machines. Debian is the most reliable Linux varient I have ever used
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• 1796[14:03:40] <hellyeah> jessie is reallt stable
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• 1799[14:04:05] <hellyeah> and debian is solid
• 1800[14:04:15] <silvernode> I just wanted to pop in here for the sole purpose of telling everyone great job, I mean really, thank you all so much for your hard work.
• 1801[14:04:28] <hellyeah> silvernode: you can get more up to date package in jessei with -t jessie-backports
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• 1803[14:04:48] <silvernode> hellyeah: I'm on the backports train, loving that too.
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• 1805[14:05:40] <asarch> Thank you
• 1806[14:05:45] <asarch> Thank you very much guys :-)
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• 1809[14:06:13] <silvernode> Actually if someone can point me to a breif summary of creating a debian package that would be swell
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• 1811[14:06:30] <nkuttler> silvernode: from which sources?
• 1812[14:06:36] <silvernode> I have always wanted to create one but search results aren't clear
• 1813[14:06:52] <silvernode> jessie?
• 1814[14:06:55] <nkuttler> silvernode: just recompile something, or debianize some source?
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• 1817[14:07:19] <silvernode> I have a C program I compiled and I would like to make it a package.
• 1818[14:07:32] <silvernode> I am the author of the source code
• 1819[14:07:34] <nkuttler> !tell silvernode about nmg
• 1820[14:07:38] <nkuttler> !tell silvernode about mentors
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• 1822[14:07:59] <silvernode> thank you
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• 1824[14:09:40] <silvernode> I'll be back later guys, thanks again
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• 1830[14:10:58] <asulil> hi all
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• 1832[14:12:30] <asulil> I I deleted by error one partition, I tried to recover it with test disk but unfortunetely it doesn't work. does anyone know any good tool to restore it in good and easy way ? thanks
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• 1834[14:12:55] <asulil> *testdisk
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• 1836[14:13:05] <asulil> anyclue guys?
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• 1843[14:14:14] <babilen> asulil: Do you know the boundaries?
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• 1845[14:15:39] <babilen> (if so you could just recreate it)
• 1846[14:17:06] <asulil> babilien, no I have my all my linux partition
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• 1849[14:18:05] <asulil> babilien: "boundaries?" what do you mean?
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• 1852[14:19:25] <babilen> asulil: I am referring to the partition size (the boundaries of the partition on the disk). If you know that you can just create an identical partition on the disk and everything should be fine again.
• 1853[14:19:48] <babilen> Also: you can tab complete nicknames in most IRC clients. Try "bab<TAB>".
• 1854[14:20:26] <CutMeOwnThroat> sure… the only simple way is to restore from backups…
• 1855[14:20:37] <CutMeOwnThroat> everything else is complicated… and if it's an SSD you can forget about it
• 1856[14:21:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> at least probably
• 1857[14:21:09] <asulil> babilian: create new partition will recover it are you kidding? how can I recover all what had?
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• 1859[14:21:45] <asulil> CuteMeOwnThoat: it's not ssd
• 1860[14:22:01] <bezaban> the fs will still be there unless you deleted it
• 1861[14:22:42] <asulil> bezaban: "fs" what is that give complete answer no fragmeneted answer please.
• 1862[14:22:49] <bezaban> filesystem
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• 1868[14:23:44] <asulil> bezaban: I deleted partition on windows disk manager by error
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• 1872[14:24:23] <Ke> do you know what filesystem were you using, ext4?
• 1873[14:24:39] <asulil> Ke: ext4
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• 1876[14:26:05] <asulil> Ke: i thought I deleted one partition that has 9Gio and I realised few second later that it also deleted the hole linux system
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• 1883[14:32:40] <asulil> brb
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• 1885[14:32:44] <introom> hi
• 1886[14:32:57] <introom> I want to install fish2.3.0, it's in sid. I am on jessie8.6
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• 1888[14:33:16] <introom> I tried adding the sid source to sources.list. and then apt-get source fish; apt-get build-dep fish
• 1889[14:33:35] <introom> but build-deps fails because it needs libpcre2.0-dev, which is not in 8.6
• 1890[14:33:44] <TomTomTo1> ,checkbackport fish
• 1891[14:33:47] <judd> Backporting package fish in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libpcre2-dev.
• 1892[14:33:53] <introom> so I am stuck. What to do? (I don't want' to pull in all the sid stuff).
• 1893[14:33:57] <TomTomTo1> ,v fish
• 1894[14:33:58] <judd> Package: fish on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.23.1+20120106.git8b407a3-1; jessie-backports: 2.2.0-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.3.1-1; sid: 2.3.1-1
• 1895[14:34:17] <TomTomTo1> introom: is 2.2.0 in jessie-backports enough for you?
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• 1897[14:34:31] <introom> TomTomTo1: no. some feature is only avaialbe in 2.3.0
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• 1902[14:35:25] <TomTomTo1> ,checkbackport pcre2
• 1903[14:35:26] <judd> Backporting package pcre2 in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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• 1905[14:35:51] <TomTomTo1> introom: then you would have to backport pcre2 first.
• 1906[14:35:57] <introom> TomTomTo1: ok. got it.
• 1907[14:36:25] <introom> will directly install from sid the fish shell ok?
• 1908[14:37:07] <introom> there should be some way to un-priority sid, and I can specifically specify installing from sid for a certain piece of software.
• 1909[14:37:11] <TomTomTo1> we don't recommend mixing releases. it can break your system.
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• 1911[14:37:53] <introom> ,checkbackport emacs25
• 1912[14:37:55] <judd> Backporting package emacs25 in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual.
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• 1924[14:43:58] <User142> ok so i booted to debain and the who system got frozen i couldent move the mouse the screen didnt fully load (mate bar didnt show) and when i press on the caps lock the caps led dosnt come up
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• 1926[14:45:02] <User142> what might have cosed this?
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• 1934[14:50:11] <th0r> User142, mate?
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• 1938[14:51:41] <Drzacek> User142, it crashed. Tried again?
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• 1942[14:52:35] <darxmurf> I have a LUKS encrypted lvm I want to unlock remotely using a key-file, what's the best option ?
• 1943[14:53:11] <darxmurf> I could copy the key, unlock it and delete the key but still, the key will be stored there for a while which is "not secure"
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• 1949[14:55:02] <User142_> did u guys recive what ever i posted just now?
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• 1952[14:55:37] <nkuttler> darxmurf: why a key file though?
• 1953[14:55:52] <darxmurf> yep
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• 1955[14:56:03] <darxmurf> well
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• 1957[14:56:16] <darxmurf> to automate the stuff
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• 1960[14:56:43] <darxmurf> the idea is to put a cron to auto-mount the volume, backup stuff on it, unmount it
• 1961[14:56:56] <darxmurf> with a key-file you don't need to type a password
• 1962[14:56:58] <nkuttler> ah
• 1963[14:57:29] <darxmurf> but in fact if I scp the key, unlock the volume and delete the key, it will take something like 1 sec...
• 1964[14:57:40] <nkuttler> tbh, if the box is not "secure" enough to store the lock file on it, it seems pointless to encrypt stuff
• 1965[14:57:51] <nkuttler> yeah..
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• 1967[14:58:02] <darxmurf> as I'm the only guy who can logon there it should be fine ^^
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• 1974[15:02:14] <thefreakjoe> guys ! hello good morning :P , anyone installed mixxx2.0, on debian stable ?
• 1975[15:02:27] <thefreakjoe> and how dat happen
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• 1977[15:02:35] <darxmurf> well it's not the morning here mate
• 1978[15:02:45] <darxmurf> almost beer time \o/
• 1979[15:02:58] <thefreakjoe> aha
• 1980[15:03:01] <thefreakjoe> kkkkk
• 1981[15:03:02] <thefreakjoe> kkkkkkkk
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• 1983[15:03:23] <darxmurf> looks like your nickname is right...
• 1984[15:03:40] <TomTomTo1> ,v mixxx
• 1985[15:03:41] <judd> Package: mixxx on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.10.1~dfsg0-1; jessie: 1.11.0~dfsg-4; jessie-backports: 2.0.0~dfsg-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.0.0~dfsg-6; sid: 2.0.0~dfsg-6
• 1986[15:03:54] <TomTomTo1> thefreakjoe: you can install it from jessie-backports replaced-url
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• 1996[15:08:20] <thefreakjoe> awsome
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• 2004[15:13:11] <thefreakjoe> TomTomTo1, thank you so much
• 2005[15:13:13] <thefreakjoe> xD
• 2006[15:13:23] <TomTomTo1> no problemo
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• 2010[15:14:33] <thefreakjoe> hey wait a moment
• 2011[15:14:40] <thefreakjoe> you said 2.0 its 1.8
• 2012[15:14:49] <thefreakjoe> arff
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• 2017[15:15:13] <dutch100p> what happened :p
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• 2020[15:15:36] <TomTomTo1> thefreakjoe: 1.8 isn't even packaged in debian. jessie-backports has mixxx 2.0.0
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• 2027[15:17:11] <thefreakjoe> TomTomTo1,
• 2028[15:17:22] <thefreakjoe> install it your self
• 2029[15:17:26] <thefreakjoe> and check the version
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• 2031[15:17:29] <thefreakjoe> hmpff
• 2032[15:17:38] <thefreakjoe> something must be wrong
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• 2041[15:19:14] <dutch100p> Hmm
• 2042[15:19:31] <dutch100p> 2 years under a stone , installed debian. What a shocker -> systemd
• 2043[15:19:47] <centrx> dutch100p: You can use sysvinit
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• 2046[15:20:19] <thefreakjoe> replaced-url
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• 2048[15:20:40] <dutch100p> centrx: don't u think they'll make more packages systemd dependable in the future?
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• 2050[15:21:08] <centrx> dutch100p: As long as you don't use Gnome, it was never a problem for me
• 2051[15:21:22] <dutch100p> i just wonder about all those traditional unix packages, developed over a cpl of decades, with their own internal security mechanisms , all overboard
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• 2053[15:21:36] <dutch100p> centrx: you mean systemd with gstreamer ?
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• 2055[15:21:45] <centrx> dutch100p: Some component packages of systemd may be installed (I think udev is part of systemd), but it doesn't mean you have to use it for boot
• 2056[15:21:48] <TomTomTo1> thefreakjoe: interesting. you can write a bug report and check what the maintainer has to say about that.
• 2057[15:22:06] <centrx> maybe it's not udev
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• 2059[15:22:19] <centrx> dutch100p: I switched to systemd because it boots much faster and haven't had a problem with it nowadays
• 2060[15:22:34] <dutch100p> centrx: udev is part of it yea...
• 2061[15:22:52] <dutch100p> centrx: systemd boots in like 1-2 secs , how is security?
• 2062[15:23:11] <centrx> dutch100p: I'm not aware of any security problems
• 2063[15:23:28] <dutch100p> ie one app with root privs is exploited, can you do virtually anything without much traces on the fs / logs ?
• 2064[15:23:40] <centrx> I don't know
• 2065[15:23:40] <centrx> dutch100p: The main complaint against systemd is that it's monolithic and it used to cause a lot of bugs/compatibility issues
• 2066[15:23:57] <centrx> yeah and it has it's own logging
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• 2070[15:25:06] <thefreakjoe> Can someone help me plz
• 2071[15:25:07] <thefreakjoe> ?
• 2072[15:25:13] <dutch100p> systemd - one ring to rule them all :}
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• 2074[15:25:27] <thefreakjoe> im running debian jessy , and says backports has 2.0mixxx version , and i need to work soon
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• 2078[15:26:26] <TomTomTo1> thefreakjoe: you can try building from source. the github page has instructions. replaced-url
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• 2080[15:27:25] <centrx> thefreakjoe: It looks like it's in backports
• 2081[15:27:33] <centrx> dpkg: tell thefreakjoe about backports
• 2082[15:27:44] <OpenTokix> mmm
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• 2085[15:27:57] <dutch100p> anyone know what is good for microcode debugger for usb devices? other than gdb
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• 2087[15:28:36] <thefreakjoe> centrx, its old the version in backports dude
• 2088[15:28:43] <thefreakjoe> ^^
• 2089[15:28:56] <thefreakjoe> 1.18 when it should be 2.0
• 2090[15:28:58] <dutch100p> centrx: as far as im concerned, with systemd, debian just got microsofted
• 2091[15:29:02] <centrx> thefreakjoe: You said you wanted 2.0.0
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• 2093[15:29:22] <centrx> dutch100p: Everyone's doing it, debate was a while ago, the ship has sailed for now
• 2094[15:29:23] <TomTomTo1> centrx: the backports version is labled wrong. we already tried that.
• 2095[15:29:31] <centrx> o
• 2096[15:29:31] <Artemis3> dutch100p, systemd is the reason #devuan exists (ie. a debian fork because of it)
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• 2099[15:29:58] <centrx> thefreakjoe: TomTomTo1: Another option is you can backport it yourself
• 2100[15:29:59] <centrx> !ssb
• 2101[15:29:59] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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• 2104[15:30:02] <OpenTokix> systemd also solves a lot of stuff that even worse systems like monit tried to solve.
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• 2108[15:30:33] <centrx> thefreakjoe: TomTomTo1: Often easier/more reliable than building from source, giving you a nice Debian package (if it works for this package)
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• 2110[15:30:45] <TomTomTo1> might be worth a try.
• 2111[15:30:47] <CharlieBrown> TFW you're mentioned, you page 100 times, and it was just a spam bot.
• 2112[15:31:11] <thefreakjoe> Mixxx DJ Software v1.8.0
• 2113[15:31:15] <thefreakjoe> i want 2.0
• 2114[15:31:16] <thefreakjoe> x
• 2115[15:31:18] <thefreakjoe> xD
• 2116[15:31:28] <TomTomTo1> we noticed from the last 10 times you said that.
• 2117[15:31:39] <thefreakjoe> you dont understand TomTomTo1
• 2118[15:31:40] <thefreakjoe> nvm
• 2119[15:31:41] <thefreakjoe> :)
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• 2121[15:32:05] <thefreakjoe> how do i see missing dependencies
• 2122[15:32:05] <thefreakjoe> ?
• 2123[15:32:19] <thefreakjoe> ldd <to_target> ? what should be the target ?
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• 2125[15:32:28] <TomTomTo1> try the manual backport, then building from source if it still doesn't give you the correct version. those are your two options.
• 2126[15:32:40] <th0r> thefreakjoe, if things aren't lying, i am downloading 2.0 from packages.debian.org now
• 2127[15:33:03] <thefreakjoe> th0r, it says 2.0
• 2128[15:33:09] <thefreakjoe> but when you open it its 1.8
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• 2130[15:33:10] <thefreakjoe> rofl
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• 2133[15:33:48] <thefreakjoe> am i right ?
• 2134[15:33:53] <thefreakjoe> th0r,
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• 2136[15:34:10] <centrx> yeah somehow I doubt it
• 2137[15:34:28] <TomTomTo1> no, he's right. i checked it.
• 2138[15:34:34] <thefreakjoe> yeh
• 2139[15:34:37] <th0r> thefreakjoe, i have the package, but my laptop is the only debian i have so can't check it right now
• 2140[15:34:49] <thefreakjoe> mixxx2.0.deb ?
• 2141[15:34:51] <th0r> downloaded it to my android
• 2142[15:35:05] <thefreakjoe> you have the .deb file or the source ?
• 2143[15:35:23] <th0r> thefreakjoe, the deb...it says 2.0.0
• 2144[15:35:46] <th0r> but like i said, i can't look inside right now
• 2145[15:35:58] <thefreakjoe> send me
• 2146[15:35:59] <thefreakjoe> plz
• 2147[15:36:03] <thefreakjoe> if you can ofc
• 2148[15:36:18] <Delta706> are there alternatives to vmware and vbox?
• 2149[15:36:28] * thefreakjoe th0r thefreakjoe@gmail.com
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• 2151[15:36:37] <thefreakjoe> plz
• 2152[15:36:48] <babilen> thefreakjoe: You have to install the package from jessie-backports. Follow the instructions on the website TomTomTo1 linked earlier
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• 2154[15:37:11] <thefreakjoe> what are you saying babilen ?
• 2155[15:37:22] <Artemis3> Delta706, qemu
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• 2158[15:37:44] <babilen> judd: v mixxx --release=jessie-backports
• 2159[15:37:45] <judd> Package: mixxx on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 2.0.0~dfsg-4~bpo8+1
• 2160[15:37:49] <babilen> thefreakjoe: ^
• 2161[15:38:09] <Artemis3> apt-get -t jessie-backports install blah
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• 2164[15:38:47] <Artemis3> after you have the backports repo in sources.list
• 2165[15:38:57] <TomTomTo1> the package from backports shows 1.8 under help>version for some reason. going to write a bug report in a minute. the next step is to do a manual backport, and if that still doesn't give you 2.0.0, build from upstream source.
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• 2167[15:39:17] <dutch100p> Artemis3: I like the inititive of #devuan... but better have boottime choices between sysv / systemd than another fork
• 2168[15:39:22] <dutch100p> :(
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• 2171[15:40:32] <Artemis3> dutch100p, thats the point of devuan: init freedom, you'll see soon debian losing this freedom, while you can still switch it out in jessie, more anre more packages are depending on systemd, needs work to undo, ie replace udev with vdev, recompiles, etc. fork was inevitable when debian refused to do it themselves.
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• 2177[15:41:21] <Hello71> !offtopic
• 2178[15:41:21] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 2179[15:41:48] <dutch100p> Artemis3: but devuan have their own depositories , it would be better if debian made a official fork on their own site, mirrors, with a choice in the installer, imho.
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• 2181[15:42:16] <Artemis3> do tell them. good luck xD
• 2182[15:42:21] <dutch100p> guess mentioning devuan gets ppl upset @ offtopic ;P
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• 2184[15:42:37] <dutch100p> Artemis3: no they already had a long discussion on that internally :>
• 2185[15:42:43] <Artemis3> i know
• 2186[15:43:08] <centrx> dutch100p: Again, you can use sysvinit for boot
• 2187[15:43:13] <dutch100p> although i only read the official statement on that.
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• 2189[15:43:53] <dutch100p> centrx: i know. but more apps will depend on it in the future. eventually one has to ahum "progress"
• 2190[15:44:08] <dutch100p> better play with the beast now than later
• 2191[15:44:35] <Artemis3> in jessie you can still switch out to sysv just fine, also you can migrate to devuan using jessie by swapping repos, but later you'll need to backup/reinstall
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• 2196[15:45:38] <Artemis3> try testing and unstable to see how deep this is getting (the systemd integration)
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• 2210[15:50:31] <velix> What's the correct way to stop PostgreSQL's autovacuum in Debian? Debian dismisses postgresql settings and sets up an own cron, which doesn't appear in crontab
• 2211[15:50:32] <koffeekbd> velix: hi!
• 2212[15:50:39] <velix> koffeekbd: hi? :)
• 2213[15:50:39] <koffeekbd> velix: hi!
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• 2217[15:52:34] <TomTomTo1> koffeekbd: hello.
• 2218[15:52:34] <koffeekbd> TomTomTo1: hi!
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• 2222[15:53:14] <TomTomTo1> great... script or bot.
• 2223[15:54:12] <nkuttler> velix: check the various /etc/cron.* directories?
• 2224[15:54:18] <babilen> koffeekbd: bot?
• 2225[15:54:23] <velix> nkuttler: yeah, I'm doing it the manual way now.
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• 2227[15:54:28] <babilen> koffeekbd: hi
• 2228[15:54:28] <koffeekbd> babilen: hi!
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• 2234[15:54:41] <TomTomTo1> at least it was friendly ^^
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• 2284[16:16:37] <impaktor> In need of WiFi help. After I upgraded to Jessie, the wifi doesn't seem to reach Internet. DNS seems to work, but the host becomes unreachable. Is it something wonky with my routing table? Or how do I trouble shoot this?
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• 2296[16:21:58] <Rephlexie> impaktor, mind pasting your ifconfig?
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• 2303[16:26:04] <n4dir1> impaktor: how can you confirm that DNS works if you can't reach the internet?
• 2304[16:26:11] <impaktor> Rephlexie: It's slightly difficult since I don't have working Internet on that machine.
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• 2307[16:26:37] <n4dir1> no wire nearby?
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• 2309[16:28:39] <impaktor> Interesting thing is, that I can ping "replaced-url
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• 2314[16:29:41] <n4dir1> and you tried ping 8.8.8.8 too?
• 2315[16:29:45] <impaktor> n4dir1: ^ that's why I think it resolves the DNS
• 2316[16:30:02] <impaktor> Maybe it's because it cached google
• 2317[16:30:07] <n4dir1> yeah, got you. makes sense, as far it's me. (doesn't say much)
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• 2321[16:31:30] <impaktor> n4dir1: same result for ping 8.8.8.8, i.e. destination host unreachable, but it translates the 8.8.8.8 to another address.
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• 2330[16:34:10] <Ke> perhpas your router is your DNS and your default route is wrong
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• 2332[16:34:16] <n4dir1> i assume ifconfig does show a connection to the router? And if you use a network-manager, you might want to tell which one. If you can't paste ifconfig, tell if ifconfig shows wlan0 (or such) and if ifconfig -a shows it (assuming ifconfig doesnt)
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• 2334[16:34:32] <thefreakjoe> How to fix this error: W: Erro GPG: replaced-url
• 2335[16:34:39] <thefreakjoe> warnning so
• 2336[16:34:40] <thefreakjoe> soz
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• 2342[16:36:00] <TomTomTo1> !frankendebian
• 2343[16:36:00] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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• 2345[16:36:12] <TomTomTo1> why not use the steam that is packaged in debian?
• 2346[16:36:19] <babilen> thefreakjoe: Ask them. I guess that you have to import their repository signing key. But please do *not* mix random packages into your debian as it voids warranty
• 2347[16:36:19] <n4dir1> not that sure if systemd comes in the game if one uses jessie (regarding networking).
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• 2352[16:37:36] <impaktor> n4dir1: ifconfig -a does show wlan0. I use default debian gnome with network manager.
• 2353[16:37:45] <Rephlexie> impaktor, your ifconfig have a lo device?
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• 2355[16:37:52] <impaktor> Rephlexie:yes
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• 2360[16:38:59] <n4dir1> impaktor: and ifconfig doesn't show it?
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• 2363[16:39:51] <n4dir1> if yes i guess something has gone south with your driver for the wireless chip during upgrade (i am really shooting in the dark here).
• 2364[16:39:53] <impaktor> n4dir1: wlan0 is there both with and without -a flag
• 2365[16:40:09] <n4dir1> and you can ping the router?
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• 2367[16:40:59] <impaktor> Weird thing is ping works for 1-2 minutes when I start the computer, _then_ it becomes "destination host unreachable"
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• 2369[16:41:17] <impaktor> n4dir1: how do know how to ping it?
• 2370[16:41:24] <mtn> impaktor: can you still ping the router when this happens? yes or no?
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• 2376[16:41:56] <impaktor> mtn: not sure how to get the address of the router?
• 2377[16:42:05] <impaktor> is that shown in the ifconfig?
• 2378[16:42:08] <mtn> impaktor: is it your router?
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• 2383[16:43:01] <impaktor> mtn: yes and not. currently working with my laptop at work (IRC on work comptuer), so no, but it's exactly the same at ho me, where the router is mine.
• 2384[16:43:25] <n4dir1> impaktor: as far i can tell, yes, ifconfig should tell the router (well: if you get a 192.168.1.20, then the router has probably 192.168.1.1 ... )
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• 2387[16:43:47] <mtn> impaktor: double check pinging the router when the net does not work. if you can still ping the router, it has nothing to do with your wireless driver
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• 2398[16:48:25] <impaktor> I did netstat -rn and got gateway 10.4.64.1, and that I can ping
• 2399[16:48:38] <impaktor> mtn: n4dir1 ^
• 2400[16:48:51] <impaktor> (which is my router, I assume?)
• 2401[16:49:03] <mtn> impaktor: if you can get to the router, but not the net, it is not your wifi driver at fault
• 2402[16:49:13] <n4dir1> yeah, looks so.
• 2403[16:49:27] <impaktor> so what could potentially be the issue?
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• 2405[16:50:00] <n4dir1> not that sure, but i would say if the router offers an IP (shown in ifconfig) and if one can ping the router, then either DNS or ... mhhh ....
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• 2407[16:50:46] <impaktor> My /etc/resolve.conf is the same both before and after I loose "Internet" connectivity / ping-ability.
• 2408[16:51:09] <n4dir1> deleting /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net-rules won't hurt (the files gets rewritten after reboot. Shit knows why that should be a problem, this is a very raw: just try something
• 2409[16:51:39] <n4dir1> impaktor: i am sorry, but in general i think i got the idea of your situation right now, but no ideas how to solve it
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• 2414[16:53:08] <n4dir1> well: make sure you only use network-manager (that is: controll if there are entries in /etc/network/interfaces and do for example ps ax | grep wicd)
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• 2419[16:54:39] <impaktor> In /etc/network/interfaces I don't have wlan0
• 2420[16:54:58] <impaktor> only loopback, and eth0, or so it looks like to me
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• 2422[16:55:34] <impaktor> grep wicd only finds itself
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• 2428[16:56:27] <n4dir1> the entry for eth0 is probably superfluoux, but i doubt it can disturb wifi, commenting it out won't hurt. Did you try to rm the /etc/udev/udev.d/yada-rules?
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• 2431[16:56:59] * n4dir1 wondering why no networking guru can come up with an idea ... :-)
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• 2434[16:57:23] <impaktor> n4dir1: yes, I removed the yada-yada rule, then ping:ed again.
• 2435[16:57:33] <mtn> my guess is that he has done something strange in his network-manager settings
• 2436[16:57:35] <impaktor> Should I try to disconnect and reconnect instead?
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• 2438[16:58:08] <impaktor> mtn: then I would have to have done it twice, because I'm on a different wifi at work, than home.
• 2439[16:58:15] <mtn> impaktor: have you messed with network manager settings or firewall settings?
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• 2442[16:58:32] <impaktor> Not sure I actually changed anything in my network manager when I upgraded to jessie.
• 2443[16:58:47] <n4dir1> impaktor: i guess you have to reboot, so the file gets rewritten. diconnecting and reconnecting never hurts (seldom helps too? probably ... )
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• 2453[17:01:30] <n4dir1> i don't know about systemd, but may it have something to do with it? iirc systemd was introduced in jessie. (I seem to recall network problems with jessie in Virtualbox)
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• 2455[17:02:12] <impaktor> OK, same problem is back now, after reboot.
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• 2457[17:02:20] <impaktor> So didn't help to remove it.
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• 2461[17:03:18] <zh1> guess PMON2000 on this link replaced-url
• 2462[17:03:27] <zh1> *is
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• 2466[17:06:26] <impaktor> By the way, when I started troubleshooting this issue, I found that resolveconf wasn't installed after the jessie upgrade, so I installed it, but that didn't help
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• 2470[17:07:46] <zh1> impaktor, whats your sources list
• 2471[17:08:38] <impaktor> jessie main contrib non-free
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• 2473[17:09:23] <zh1> impaktor, could you post it fully via replaced-url
• 2474[17:09:42] <impaktor> Well, difficult when I don't have Internet.
• 2475[17:09:59] <mtn> impaktor: move it via an usb stick
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• 2478[17:10:18] <zh1> impaktor, but your here without internet ;)
• 2479[17:10:32] <impaktor> I have one prepared to re-install debian, but that doens't work as is now. I'll need to reformat it, I guess
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• 2481[17:11:02] <mtn> impaktor: or type it out. we do need to see it all ;)
• 2482[17:11:09] <impaktor> Hmm, what's the easiest way to re-format an usb?
• 2483[17:11:22] <zh1> impaktor, dd
• 2484[17:11:24] <mtn> impaktor: gparted or Disks
• 2485[17:11:25] <Stranger09> i am using debian 8.6, i am getting this error msg " Cannot load from file /var/cache/powertop/saved_parameters.powertop" when i run sudo powertop --auto-tune
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• 2490[17:13:14] <blawiz> with two screens and two keyboards, can two users use the same computer?
• 2491[17:13:22] <zh1> Stranger09, and do you have anything in that location?
• 2492[17:14:14] <centrx> blawiz: theoretically sure. I've never heard of anyone doing it though
• 2493[17:15:11] <Stranger09> zh1: yes there is a file called saved_parameters.powertop there
• 2494[17:15:35] <zh1> Stranger09, what permissions does the file have?
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• 2496[17:16:03] <Stranger09> zh1: -rw-r--r--
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• 2499[17:16:27] <Stranger09> but i run powertop with sudo
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• 2513[17:23:06] <zh1> Stranger09, replaced-url
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• 2516[17:23:27] <Stranger09> zh1: what
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• 2533[17:28:55] <zh1> !bios
• 2534[17:28:55] <dpkg> Basic Input Output System (BIOS) is the part of an IBM PC-compatible system responsible for initializing the various parts of a computer when it is booted. Install and run «dmidecode -t bios» as root to display BIOS date/version information. See also <flash bios>, <coreboot>, <uefi>.
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• 2536[17:29:28] <zykotick9> Stranger09: that is a specific powertop error, it is becaue powertop hasn't collected enough data yet. i believe, you need to let powertop run for a period of time? <- but confirm that with poewrtop documentation.
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• 2538[17:29:44] <zh1> !flash bios
• 2539[17:29:44] <dpkg> [flash bios] a <BIOS> which contains a flash ROM chip that can be updated under certain conditions, but is otherwise static. To perform the flash operation within Linux, use flashrom (replaced-url
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• 2545[17:31:19] <Stranger09> zykotick9: should i run powertop --calibrate on battery
• 2546[17:31:25] <Stranger09> or on ac
• 2547[17:31:57] <zykotick9> Stranger09: sorry, i don't know. read the docs is my suggestion... good luck.
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• 2552[17:33:53] <zh1> Stranger09, could you reinstall powertop, just in case...
• 2553[17:34:04] <stuNNed> hi, hope all is well. if I resolve an IP that is based in Turkey it resolves to the root domain "." and I don't know why.
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• 2561[17:36:07] <zykotick9> Stranger09: <sidenote> i use "powertop --auto-tune" for the most part. at times, i've gotten fancy and simply copied the commands powertop runs into scripts on boot (when i wanted persistence). zh1 reinstalling won't help with that error... on close i always see 3 error about "Cannot load from file /var/cache/powertop/XYZ" <- i've fixed it before, but just ignore it now...
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• 2570[17:41:40] <zh1> Stranger09, replaced-url
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• 2572[17:41:55] <thefreakjoe> replaced-url
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• 2579[17:44:06] <stuNNed> anyone any clue why my root domain resolves to an ip in Turkey? I checked my DNS and everything looks in order.
• 2580[17:44:43] <deepy> cache?
• 2581[17:45:09] <zh1> thefreakjoe, missing packages?
• 2582[17:45:18] <stuNNed> deepy: i flushed it let me try again
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• 2584[17:45:58] <deepy> It's not a simple case of your DNS provider just being funky?
• 2585[17:46:21] <stuNNed> deepy: still same thing host points it to .
• 2586[17:47:05] <deepy> How are you resolving it and what's the IP to your DNS server?
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• 2588[17:47:17] <stuNNed> deepy: localhost
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• 2591[17:47:37] <stuNNed> deepy: listening on the LAN
• 2592[17:47:44] <thefreakjoe> zh1
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• 2594[17:47:50] <thefreakjoe> how can i see wich they are ?
• 2595[17:48:08] <deepy> And where does your dns server get the information from? How does your setup look?
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• 2597[17:48:44] <zh1> thefreakjoe, joe just before it ends says "protoc"
• 2598[17:49:14] <stuNNed> deepy: it's unbound server getting it from a root.hints file
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• 2600[17:50:08] <stuNNed> deepy: no forwarders enabled
• 2601[17:50:15] <zh1> thefreakjoe, "sh: 1: protoc: not found"
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• 2612[17:54:15] <stuNNed> deepy: i checked root.hints it's all just root dns servers
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• 2615[17:54:51] <dutch100p> stuNNed: try as admin to install protobuf and protobuf-compiler
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• 2617[17:55:10] <deepy> Perhaps the queries are being tampered with?
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• 2619[17:55:21] <deepy> try making a query to 8.8.8.8 and see what you get
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• 2622[17:55:50] <deepy> Unfortunately I don't really know unbound so I'm not going to be of much help
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• 2625[17:56:34] <dutch100p> stuNNed: maybe exchange libprotobuf-lite for libprotobuf-dev
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• 2628[17:57:01] <stuNNed> deepy: ah ok thanks
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• 2632[17:57:24] <deepy> dutch100p: did you mean: zh1 ?
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• 2635[17:57:37] <stuNNed> dutch100p: how would that help?
• 2636[17:57:41] <dutch100p> i'm sorry
• 2637[17:57:44] <dutch100p> that was for thefreakjoe
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• 2639[17:57:51] <dutch100p> sorry stuNNed
• 2640[17:57:59] <dutch100p> thefreakjoe: maybe exchange libprotobuf-lite for libprotobuf-dev
• 2641[17:58:02] <stuNNed> dutch100p: ah ok np
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• 2647[18:00:19] <thefreakjoe> anyone advice me a good game to play ?
• 2648[18:00:31] <thefreakjoe> that runs native in linux
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• 2650[18:00:36] <thefreakjoe> mmo fps moba etc..
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• 2668[18:08:25] <thefreakjoe> Where do we define how much cpu's i am going to use on a compilation ?
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• 2670[18:08:32] <thefreakjoe> i own a i7
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• 2673[18:10:10] <thefreakjoe> Can someone give me a hand ? plz
• 2674[18:10:16] <DoberMann> thefreakjoe: replaced-url
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• 2676[18:10:19] * SpeccyMan applauds
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• 2678[18:10:29] <PryMar56> make -j8 install DESTDIR=xyz
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• 2680[18:12:06] <PryMar56> thefreakjoe, ^^ job server, not the same as dedicated CPU's , oh my
• 2681[18:12:16] <velix> When using "cifs", when does a file get written to the network? After it was closed (after writing) or while it gets written? I'm dumping to a drive in CIFS mount, but the filesize doesn't seem to increase :)
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• 2683[18:14:27] <zh1> thefreakjoe, replaced-url
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• 2686[18:14:41] <thefreakjoe> thank you
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• 2688[18:16:01] <thefreakjoe> what does purge do to files
• 2689[18:16:07] <thefreakjoe> apt-get purge ?
• 2690[18:16:12] <dutch100p> nice i7. add -march=native -OS to cflags too , MAKEOPTS="-j8" in /etc/make.conf
• 2691[18:16:24] * dutch100p is lazy
• 2692[18:16:25] <thefreakjoe> thank you
• 2693[18:16:36] <dutch100p> CFLAGS="-O2 -march=native -pipe"
• 2694[18:16:39] <dutch100p> MAKEOPTS="-j8"
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• 2696[18:17:19] <zh1> thefreakjoe, "purge is identical to remove except that packages are removed and purged (any configuration files are deleted too)." (man never fails)
• 2697[18:17:33] <thefreakjoe> j6 for 7 cpus ? if you say j8 is i9
• 2698[18:18:01] <thefreakjoe> set cpu afinity
• 2699[18:18:12] <thefreakjoe> is borring one people say its +1 others -1
• 2700[18:18:15] <thefreakjoe> tru story
• 2701[18:18:20] <dutch100p> it's just the number of threads for make
• 2702[18:18:28] <thefreakjoe> lets use 4
• 2703[18:18:34] <thefreakjoe> at least works well
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• 2705[18:18:35] <dutch100p> doesn't nessecarily represent the number of cpu's
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• 2707[18:18:51] <Natalya> Hello! I am from Moscow. Does anyone want to chat?
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• 2709[18:19:06] <azarus_> I need some help setting up grub on a hard disk that i copied over a live system.
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• 2714[18:19:46] <azarus_> I copied over the boot and root partition, and since it's a UEFI system, i don't really know what to do now
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• 2716[18:19:54] <thefreakjoe> CFLAGS="-O2 -march=native -pipe" what does this means ?
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• 2718[18:20:37] <dutch100p|> thefreakjoe: Google for GCC compiler options
• 2719[18:20:44] <dutch100p|> and cpu optimization
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• 2724[18:23:08] <dutch100p|> azarus_: whats the problem? uefi bios boots GPT slices fine
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• 2727[18:24:11] <azarus_> I copied over the whole system to a ssd. I need a boot entry.
• 2728[18:24:14] <azarus_> dutch100p|,
• 2729[18:24:43] <dutch100p|> azarus_: grub-install (8) ?
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• 2731[18:25:07] <azarus_> Yeah, i've tried, and i'll give you the error, a second.
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• 2734[18:25:49] <dutch100p|> i just run grub-update with a grub.conf in /boot/grub/ ; variable settings in /etc/grub/default
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• 2736[18:26:21] <dutch100p|> i mean update-grub :)
• 2737[18:27:02] <dutch100p|> update-grub creates your grub.conf in /boot and checks for the linux and ramdisk images
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• 2739[18:27:29] <dutch100p|> if u didn't do crazy stuff it should fix things automatically
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• 2741[18:27:46] <azarus_> So i need to chroot into the system?
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• 2743[18:28:05] <dutch100p|> i don't really understand what you're trying to do
• 2744[18:28:32] <azarus_> I'm currently on a live system
• 2745[18:28:35] <dutch100p|> ah
• 2746[18:29:44] <dutch100p|> can you boot your normal disk/init from the livesystems grub , then run update-grub from sh?
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• 2749[18:30:12] <azarus_> Hm. So just boot my regular debian?
• 2750[18:30:25] <dutch100p|> i guess that one is bricked, no?
• 2751[18:30:33] <azarus_> No
• 2752[18:30:38] <azarus_> Just transferring to ssd
• 2753[18:31:03] <dutch100p|> ah you're moving everything to a new disk ?
• 2754[18:31:12] <azarus_> Yeah.
• 2755[18:31:31] <dutch100p|> with dd ?
• 2756[18:31:34] <azarus_> No
• 2757[18:31:39] <azarus_> cp -afv
• 2758[18:32:01] <stuNNed> anyone pin experimental repos?
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• 2761[18:33:23] <azarus_> dutch100p|, my ssd would be way too small for dd
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• 2763[18:33:40] <azarus_> I could resize partitions though, hmm.
• 2764[18:34:00] <dutch100p|> azarus_: Maybe install grub in ssh, reboot and edit grub bootoptions to start from the ssh during boottime
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• 2766[18:34:14] <JPT> dd would cause way more writes than necessary, wearing out your ssd
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• 2768[18:34:48] <dutch100p|> azarus_: if it works, write bootclock to the ssd with update-grub
• 2769[18:34:58] <azarus_> install grub in ssh? Secure shell? ;D
• 2770[18:35:24] <dutch100p|> JPT: yeah.. That and it's better to have a clean partition table
• 2771[18:35:37] <JPT> :)
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• 2775[18:36:07] <azarus_> How would i do that though, dutch100p| , ?
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• 2780[18:36:57] <dutch100p|> azarus_: no init=/bin/sh given as boottime parameter when you load grub (assuming you have a few secs there to invoke the menu)
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• 2785[18:37:44] <azarus_> So boot the regular installation with /bin/sh? dutch100p|
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• 2788[18:39:00] <dutch100p|> what I would do is first boot into your ssd with grub during boottime (edit params) or just add a new entry to the grub.conf from your current setup/livefs before finalizing
• 2789[18:40:12] <azarus_> dutch100p|, So im going to be telling grub to boot the ssd, then configuring grub to install correctly
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• 2793[18:41:07] <dutch100p|> yeah, if it boots into the ssh, you're safe
• 2794[18:41:23] <azarus_> SSD* you mean, right?
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• 2797[18:41:43] <JPT> Booting into ssh, next level sysadmin style :D
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• 2801[18:42:08] <azarus_> SSH from across the world into preboot, got it. Back in a sec
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• 2803[18:42:14] <dutch100p|> editing boottime params doesn't do any damage
• 2804[18:42:19] <dutch100p|> no ssh
• 2805[18:42:28] <dutch100p|> just sh , shell.. bash.. /init/sh binary
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• 2808[18:42:52] <dutch100p|> sh != ssh
• 2809[18:43:03] <JPT> Excuse me, i just couldn't resist the joke. :)
• 2810[18:43:30] <dutch100p|> ah he's doing it from a distance? ^_^ vps?
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• 2814[18:45:05] <dutch100p|> -vps nvm. silly idea if anybody would do that @ wear leveling
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• 2816[18:45:57] <dutch100p|> AH
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• 2818[18:46:06] <dutch100p|> < dutch100p|> yeah, if it boots into the ssh, you're safe
• 2819[18:46:09] <dutch100p|> my bad.
• 2820[18:47:04] <dutch100p|> guess i was just correcting myself. off to buy some goggles
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• 2824[18:49:07] <azarus_> My new installation was in grub! I booted without issue to the ssd.
• 2825[18:49:32] <azarus_> Now i need to make that boot default, right?
• 2826[18:49:32] <dutch100p|> like magic
• 2827[18:49:48] <azarus_> And the stains are gone!
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• 2831[18:50:49] <unborn> guys - got silly question.. my deb works fine, however I have nvidia supported in debian - shall I install that palava driver or use just standard one?
• 2832[18:50:52] <unborn> - thanks
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• 2834[18:51:36] <DutchComputerKid> nnnnnnnnnnnnnnope
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• 2837[18:52:00] <m00n_urn> "proprie--tary" ? tounge twister
• 2838[18:52:28] <azarus_> dutch100p|, My UUID in /etc/fstab is unchanged, how could it have booted?
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• 2841[18:53:19] <dutch100p|> azarus_: ur still in ur old distro i guess
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• 2843[18:53:35] <azarus_> How do i check? dutch100p|
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• 2845[18:54:18] <dutch100p|> check disksize, mountpoint etc
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• 2847[18:55:23] <azarus_> It's still the old system, huh. dutch100p|
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• 2849[18:55:27] <unborn> m00n_urn: I have some combination of intel graphics and nvidia - unfortunately whatever it may do with your 'tounge' is your kind of thingy. Thats what I have and question was oriented kindly to users who I know... sorry.
• 2850[18:55:40] <dutch100p|> then you need to update fstab btw to match the new disk , boot with the old disk detached to make sure it works.
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• 2852[18:55:51] <azarus_> Okay.
• 2853[18:56:01] <dutch100p|> AFAIK grub doesn't change the fstab
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• 2855[18:56:17] <azarus_> so note uuid's and put them in the /etc/fstab dutch100p|
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• 2860[18:57:07] <dutch100p|> azarus_: right.
• 2861[18:57:14] <azarus_> Okay, on it
• 2862[18:58:25] <azarus_> But isn't the fstab in my current hdd distro?
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• 2884[19:09:13] <azarus_> I've changed the fstab on the ssd, dutch100p| , but i cant boot it
• 2885[19:10:01] <mtn> azarus_: what partition is grub booting?
• 2886[19:10:20] <azarus_> It says /dev/sda, but it doesn't seem to be true
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• 2888[19:10:24] <thefreakjoe> hi
• 2889[19:10:26] <thefreakjoe> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1: error adding symbols: DSO missing from command line
• 2890[19:10:30] <thefreakjoe> why?
• 2891[19:10:31] <thefreakjoe> -.-
• 2892[19:10:37] <mtn> azarus_: sda is not a partition
• 2893[19:10:39] <dutch100p|> sda is disk. not a part.
• 2894[19:10:43] <azarus_> sda2
• 2895[19:10:45] <dutch100p|> sda1 , sda2,...
• 2896[19:10:47] <dutch100p|> hm
• 2897[19:11:04] <mtn> azarus_: and is the fstab you edited in sda2?
• 2898[19:11:08] <azarus_> Let me recheck what grub says though.
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• 2900[19:11:15] <azarus_> I did, mtn
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• 2906[19:12:30] <dutch100p|> can't you just unplug the old disk to avoid confusion?
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• 2908[19:13:01] <mtn> a very good idea
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• 2912[19:14:50] <azarus_> mtn, did that, now there's nothing to boot from anymore
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• 2914[19:15:06] <mtn> azarus_: did what? and what are you talking about?
• 2915[19:15:15] <azarus_> Unplugged the hdd
• 2916[19:15:21] <mtn> azarus_: which one?
• 2917[19:15:27] <azarus_> The old one.
• 2918[19:15:35] <azarus_> The one i was transferring from.
• 2919[19:15:38] <mtn> azarus_: and what is wrong? what do you see?
• 2920[19:15:55] <azarus_> No grub or any boot entries
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• 2922[19:16:10] <mtn> azarus_: ok, then grub is not installed correctly. right?
• 2923[19:16:15] <azarus_> That's true
• 2924[19:16:24] <mtn> azarus_: ok, then you should fix it ;)
• 2925[19:16:45] <azarus_> Yeah. I don't know how, really. I tried with grub-install, no luck
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• 2927[19:17:14] <impaktor> mtn: my package list (for the borked wifi after jessie upgrade): replaced-url
• 2928[19:17:28] <mtn> azarus_: use a live disk. repair grub. the debian wiki has instructions on how to do that
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• 2930[19:17:37] <dutch100p|> what mtn says.
• 2931[19:17:41] <impaktor> I notice some lines have jessie-updates, while other have jessie/updates
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• 2933[19:18:02] <dutch100p|> boot sh from live usb , fix ssid entries in grub.conf and fstab, run update-grub
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• 2935[19:18:21] <mtn> impaktor: that looks like a fine sources.list
• 2936[19:18:44] <mtn> dutch100p|: he needs to run grub-install, too, since there is not grub at boot
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• 2938[19:19:03] <dutch100p|> mtn: yes
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• 2943[19:20:10] <impaktor> So, should I do a fresh re-installation of jessie?
• 2944[19:20:20] <impaktor> To fix the strange wifi issue?
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• 2946[19:20:29] <impaktor> I somehow doubt it will fix it.
• 2947[19:20:43] <mtn> impaktor: I can't think of any reason to reinstall debian
• 2948[19:21:09] <impaktor> Good, as I don't have the time or energy for that.
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• 2951[19:23:39] <azarus_> Hmm, mtn there doesn't seem to be a /etc/default/grub.conf on my ssd
• 2952[19:23:53] <mtn> azarus_: use a live disk. repair grub. the debian wiki has instructions on how to do that
• 2953[19:24:03] <azarus_> I'm on a live system
• 2954[19:24:22] <mtn> !fixgrub
• 2955[19:24:22] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
• 2956[19:24:39] <azarus_> Thank you.
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• 2960[19:27:48] <mtn> azarus_: by the way, using the debian install disk makes it very easy to fix, too. look at the repair section, I think it is called
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• 2964[19:29:27] <asulil> be back guys, unfortunetely I deleted by error linux partition, does anyone know how to recover in good and and easy way linux partition that I deleted? thanks
• 2965[19:29:45] <asulil> I tried testdisk unfortuenetely doesn't work
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• 2968[19:30:27] <centrx> You can recover the files at least
• 2969[19:30:37] <centrx> I don't know about replacing the partition
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• 2971[19:30:56] <azarus_> mtn, Weird. There used to be a update-grub command, there are other grub commands, but grub-update is no more
• 2972[19:31:31] <mtn> azarus_: then you really broke it, since that command still exists ;)
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• 2974[19:31:48] <asulil> centrx: no
• 2975[19:31:58] <mtn> azarus_: maybe you should start over and reinstall debian, making sure to put things where they belong
• 2976[19:32:27] <azarus_> There are actually a whole lot of commands, like there was a different version of grub installed
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• 2979[19:32:56] <asulil> centrx: there no partition, unless I recreate a new one, but I thought I can recover it with testdisk, no it doesn't
• 2980[19:32:57] <mtn> azarus_: which live disk are you using?
• 2981[19:33:04] <azarus_> debian 8.6-standarf
• 2982[19:33:07] <azarus_> standard*
• 2983[19:33:23] <asulil> mtn: any clue?
• 2984[19:33:25] <mtn> azarus_: is that what you used to install debian?
• 2985[19:33:29] <azarus_> No
• 2986[19:33:32] <azarus_> i used netinst
• 2987[19:33:51] <mtn> azarus_: boot the netinstall disk. go to the repair section. very easy to use
• 2988[19:33:58] <azarus_> Okay.
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• 2994[19:35:37] <azarus_> But what does the netinst have that the standard doesnt? mtn
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• 2996[19:35:58] <mtn> azarus_: an easy way to fix things, for one thing ;)
• 2997[19:36:24] <azarus_> Okay. Sure, don't see why they wouldn't include that in standard, but whatever.
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• 2999[19:36:52] <mtn> azarus_: it might be there, you could look. I don't use the live disk
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• 3001[19:37:02] <azarus_> Sure.
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• 3003[19:38:22] <BenderRodriguez> who was it that made the poor mistake of dinging me while I was /away
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• 3005[19:38:55] <azarus_> mtn, I'm on netinst now, should i choose "rescue"?
• 3006[19:39:11] <mtn> azarus_: I think that is what you are looking for
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• 3014[19:39:56] <petn-randall> BenderRodriguez: a script kiddie that got kicked, feel free to ignore it.
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• 3025[19:43:41] <azarus_> mtn, welp. "Executing 'grub-reinstall /dev/sda' failed".
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• 3027[19:44:04] <mtn> azarus_: no need to run commands. just use the menu in rescue. or is that what you did?
• 3028[19:44:11] <azarus_> Yup
• 3029[19:44:21] <mtn> azarus_: only one hard drive attached?
• 3030[19:44:27] <azarus_> Yeah
• 3031[19:44:34] <azarus_> Still shows /dev/sdb tho
• 3032[19:44:39] <azarus_> though*
• 3033[19:44:41] <mtn> azarus_: it should be grub-install, not reinstall anyway.
• 3034[19:44:58] <mtn> azarus_: sdb is probably the usb, right?
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• 3038[19:45:25] <dutch100p|> nice practise in emergency recovery
• 3039[19:45:36] <dutch100p|> now try to imagine pressure of 400 employees unable to work
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• 3041[19:46:27] <azarus_> Yeah, sdb is the usb. But "grub-install /dev/sda" fails as well mtn
• 3042[19:46:44] <mtn> azarus_: why are you running commands?
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• 3044[19:46:57] <dutch100p|> "you have 20 more mins to get it up" @ azarus_ blink ;-)
• 3045[19:47:09] <azarus_> Because the menuoptions failed, mtn
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• 3047[19:47:15] <azarus_> tick tock dutch100p| tick tock
• 3048[19:47:21] <mtn> azarus_: in what way? why not give us details?
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• 3051[19:48:01] <azarus_> What should i detail? Error message is "grub-install /dev/sda failed"
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• 3053[19:48:21] <mtn> azarus_: why not start over? install debian with only one hard drive installed.
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• 3055[19:48:43] <azarus_> Data is kinda important
• 3056[19:48:51] <azarus_> I've got a backup, but still
• 3057[19:48:55] <azarus_> I like this install
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• 3059[19:49:22] <mtn> azarus_: I am sorry, but I don't understand. how did you use it if you can't boot it?
• 3060[19:49:39] <azarus_> I'm still able to boot it from the hdd, mtn
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• 3062[19:50:12] <mtn> azarus_: you just said grub didn't find any operating system. what is your REAL problem you are trying to solve?
• 3063[19:50:35] <azarus_> I'm trying to transfer my system from drive to drive. mtn
• 3064[19:50:46] <mtn> azarus_: what does that have to do with grub?
• 3065[19:51:19] <azarus_> All files are transferred, but I cannot boot from it yet. It needs a UEFI boot entry
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• 3067[19:51:36] <mtn> azarus_: and does it have a /efi boot partition?
• 3068[19:51:40] <azarus_> Yes.
• 3069[19:51:48] <azarus_> That's been transferred as well
• 3070[19:51:54] <mtn> azarus_: and did you install grub when booting with efi?
• 3071[19:52:17] <azarus_> Do you mean the original install or just now?
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• 3073[19:52:18] <dutch100p|> that's why I suggested
• 3074[19:52:21] <dutch100p|> what.
• 3075[19:52:32] <mtn> azarus_: if you are sure that you are using efi boot: replaced-url
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• 3078[19:53:13] <dutch100p|> maybe UEFI bios can't find the gpt in his case
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• 3082[19:53:21] <dutch100p|> we thank thee microsoft.
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• 3088[19:55:00] <MrDebbix> Hi, i'm trying to build debian live CD from live build. my laptop gfx driver is installed on my normal installation. need to install same driver in the live , how can i find it ?
• 3089[19:55:16] <azarus_> I followed replaced-url
• 3090[19:55:21] <azarus_> mtn dutch100p|
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• 3092[19:56:06] <mtn> azarus_: it really sounds to me that you are not in efi boot or were not when you install debian. I really can't help any further. I would recommend reinstalling
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• 3094[19:56:24] <azarus_> It might be that netinst is bios only... I'll check.
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• 3096[19:56:32] <thefreakjoe> replaced-url
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• 3101[19:58:59] <ssd532> Hi I have following redirection in my shell script "cat /dev/hidraw2 > /dev/hidg1" I want to run this script as a daemon on startup. I have following in my init script "start-stop-daemon --start --background --pidfile $PIDFILE --make-pidfile --user $DAEMON_USER --chuid $DAEMON_USER --startas $DAEMON -- $DAEMON_OPTS" But the script exits. How can I run it continuously as a daemon?
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• 3105[19:59:59] <ssd532> It is Debian 8 BeagleBone image.
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• 3108[20:01:16] <thefreakjoe> Witch package provides 3D gears ?!?!?!?!?
• 3109[20:02:22] <AimHere> mesa-utils, and it's glxgears
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• 3113[20:04:16] <thefreakjoe> 3d ?
• 3114[20:04:21] <thefreakjoe> AimHere,
• 3115[20:04:29] <thefreakjoe> i just see 2D gears in debian
• 3116[20:04:34] <thefreakjoe> are you running debian AimHere ?
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• 3120[20:05:40] <AimHere> Yes
• 3121[20:06:04] <AimHere> Okay, well I figured those were the 3D gears you meant.
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• 3123[20:06:50] <thefreakjoe> ati
• 3124[20:06:57] <thefreakjoe> has a 3d version of the thingy
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• 3134[20:12:40] <MrDebbix> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 425M] (rev a1)
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• 3136[20:12:56] <MrDebbix> what package should i install for my graphics card ?
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• 3139[20:14:04] <crecca> can someone explain shortly what are "excuses" in this context: replaced-url
• 3140[20:14:33] <azarus_> mtn, dutch100p| I was able to execute grub-intall /dev/sda, but there wasn't a bootloader entry there
• 3141[20:14:45] <crecca> whats going on here? should tell me something about why calibre was removed?
• 3142[20:14:47] <nkuttler> !tell MrDebbix about nvidia dkms
• 3143[20:14:49] <azarus_> I mistakenly booted into bios mode *facepalm*
• 3144[20:14:50] <crecca> should this*
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• 3150[20:16:38] <nkuttler> crecca: looks like a dependency is not available
• 3151[20:16:54] <nkuttler> !tell crecca about debian-next
• 3152[20:17:16] <TomTomTo1> crecca: those are the reasons why it was removed from testing. it's not relevant if you run stable.
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• 3156[20:18:08] <crecca> what "not considered" means?
• 3157[20:18:19] <crecca> yeah I run testing
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• 3161[20:19:48] <TomTomTo1> it means it still has RC bugs and will not do the normal automatic migration from sid.
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• 3163[20:20:06] <crecca> I see
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• 3238[20:55:28] <biehoh> it looks like apt ignores my pinning replaced-url
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• 3248[20:59:55] <petn-randall> !tell biehoh -about crosspost
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• 3254[21:04:04] <TomTomTo1> might be the upper case Release it doesn't like. i only find it with lower case in the documentation.
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• 3301[21:29:37] <Pr0metheus> does wayland depend on X?
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• 3304[21:31:06] <spacebug^> no
• 3305[21:32:51] <nkuttler> that's kind of the entire point
• 3306[21:34:39] <Pr0metheus> does the logon screen (GUI) where you can select between wayland and X depend on X or is a completely different thing
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• 3309[21:35:26] <nkuttler> Pr0metheus: the display managers are x apps, yes
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• 3311[21:36:35] <Pr0metheus> nkuttler that's a pitty cause if the xserver would face a problem you could login to wayland and still have a gui to fix things easier
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• 3316[21:37:26] <nkuttler> Pr0metheus: um, what?
• 3317[21:37:50] <nkuttler> Pr0metheus: you can run multiple x servers and weston at the same time
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• 3319[21:38:14] <teraflops> GDM uses wayland by default in upstream, so actually is not a X thing
• 3320[21:38:41] <nkuttler> teraflops: orly?
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• 3322[21:39:08] <nkuttler> does it then launch an xserver, upstream? or have they transition to wayland completely?
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• 3324[21:39:18] <teraflops> yeah it uses wayland bakend by default
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• 3327[21:39:51] <nkuttler> interesting
• 3328[21:40:00] <Pr0metheus> GDM is there login screen?
• 3329[21:40:01] <teraflops> nkuttler: gnome 3.22 does wayland session by default too, it has a xorg backend if you want
• 3330[21:40:26] <teraflops> nkuttler: but if you click gnome in GDM it does wayland, yes
• 3331[21:40:34] <Pr0metheus> i am on 3.22 xorg
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• 3336[21:41:10] <Pr0metheus> or could it be wayland (?) how would i tell
• 3337[21:41:24] <nkuttler> Pr0metheus: if you use debian it's an x server
• 3338[21:41:32] <teraflops> Pr0metheus: then youre not using debian jessie
• 3339[21:41:36] <nkuttler> gnome 3.22 isn't there yet anyway
• 3340[21:41:48] <Pr0metheus> i am on stretch
• 3341[21:41:57] <nkuttler> yeah, not there either
• 3342[21:42:00] <nkuttler> ,v gnome
• 3343[21:42:01] <judd> Package: gnome on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; stretch: 1:3.20+2; sid: 1:3.20+2
• 3344[21:42:17] <Pr0metheus> uh, unstable then:P
• 3345[21:42:24] <nkuttler> no
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• 3348[21:42:35] <Pr0metheus> no?
• 3349[21:42:43] <law> hey all, I'm having a heck of a time preseeding a Jessie install
• 3350[21:42:50] <law> no matter how I set up my preseed.cfg, it always comes to a screeching halt at the 'choose disks for partitioning' step
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• 3352[21:42:57] <law> any thoughts on what d-i option needs setting to get past that?
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• 3354[21:43:23] <teraflops> but iirc GDM 3.20 does wayland by default, you can check it at /etc/gdm/custom.conf
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• 3360[21:46:06] <Pr0metheus> teraflops i have no gdm folder
• 3361[21:46:15] <Pr0metheus> ah it's gdm3
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• 3364[21:47:27] <velix> Oh... Debian seems to have some BAD spam issues: replaced-url
• 3365[21:47:28] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 3367[21:47:57] <asulil> hi, be back
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• 3370[21:48:04] <asulil> hi be back
• 3371[21:48:44] <TomTomTo1> debian is pretty much through with the transition to 3.22
• 3372[21:48:52] <TomTomTo1> ,v gnome-session
• 3373[21:48:53] <judd> Package: gnome-session on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.2.1-4; jessie: 3.14.0-2; stretch: 3.22.1-1; stretch: 3.22.2-1; sid: 3.22.2-1
• 3374[21:49:01] <TomTomTo1> replaced-url
• 3375[21:49:06] <joze> deb help helper i are drank replaced-url
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• 3377[21:49:29] <asulil> someone said, that I'd create partition with the right type in order to use testdisk do recobver the partition which I deleted by error, is that correct?
• 3378[21:49:30] <TomTomTo1> so if you have gnome on testing you are probably running 3.22
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• 3383[21:49:59] <asulil> *right type file systeme
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• 3385[21:50:15] <asulil> any clue gys?
• 3386[21:50:20] <asulil> guys
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• 3397[21:59:13] <ilCyx86_64> In the kernel package (e.g. linux-image.4.9.1-rc5-unsigned), what does "unsigned" mean/what are the implications?
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• 3404[22:01:23] <petn-randall> ilCyx86_64: Are you running testing/sid?
• 3405[22:01:33] <ilCyx86_64> petn-randall: Yes!
• 3406[22:01:34] <petn-randall> !debian-next
• 3407[22:01:35] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 3408[22:01:38] <petn-randall> ilCyx86_64: ^^^
• 3409[22:01:58] <ilCyx86_64> Alright.
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• 3411[22:02:19] <petn-randall> ilCyx86_64: See you there!
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• 3461[22:28:07] <oswald_> I dont know if anyone remembers me but last night networkmanager was disconnecting after a few seconds from my wifi
• 3462[22:28:14] <oswald_> it works now after a fresh install..
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• 3481[22:37:32] <oswald_> nevermind i lied it's doing it again..
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• 3501[22:48:23] <oswald_> Though wicd and connman both don't recognise wireless networks..
• 3502[22:49:14] <TomTomTo1> which chipset and driver are you using?
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• 3510[22:54:21] <random_numbers> I wanted to know, how does apt-mirror interact with the apt security model? Does it generate signatures for its own files?
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• 3520[22:56:02] <petn-randall> random_numbers: I'm pretty sure it just mirrors the files 1:1. If it would write its own signatures, you'd have to install a new apt key for it to work.
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• 3522[22:56:09] <wondiws> what is the command again to disable beeps? stty b off or something?
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• 3524[22:57:24] <random_numbers> petn-randall: So that means that if one uses a local mirror, there is nothing to ascertain that the files weren't tampered with by some network intruder?
• 3525[22:57:51] <wondiws> never mind, it's "xset b off"
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• 3531[22:58:21] <petn-randall> random_numbers: No, your apt client just still verifies the signatures made by the debian project.
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• 3537[23:00:19] <babilen> dpkg: ell random_numbers -about secure apt
• 3538[23:00:19] <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, babilen
• 3539[23:00:26] <babilen> dpkg: tell random_numbers -about secure apt
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• 3542[23:03:11] <random_numbers> petn-randall: So the way it works is that it downloads all the packages, the checksum list and its signature?
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• 3544[23:04:51] <petn-randall> random_numbers: Yes, check the pm from dpkg for details.
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• 3547[23:05:41] <random_numbers> petn-randall: I don't recall that page mentioning how apt-mirror works, but alrigth.
• 3548[23:06:27] <petn-randall> random_numbers: apt-mirror just caches files. apt-mirror knows nothing about signature verification, the client does that.
• 3549[23:07:36] <petn-randall> random_numbers: You might be able to configure apt-mirror to check signatures, but the only effect is that it'll discard files that don't match the signature. You apt client will still do the important verification steps.
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• 3556[23:09:14] <random_numbers> petn-randall: Ah, I see. That's convenient. I knew about apt security, from asking you previously, I think. That apt-mirror mentions nowhere in its manual that it does get the checksum list just led me to wonder.
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• 3558[23:10:40] <petn-randall> random_numbers: Think of apt-mirror (and apt-cacher-ng, and approxy, etc) as a more specialized http proxy. The whole verification is (and must be!) end-to-end, that is one end the apt client, and the other the Debian project.
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• 3560[23:11:50] <james364> when doing dpkg-reconfigure locales i get "character map file `en_US.UTF-8' not found: no such file or directory
• 3561[23:11:54] <james364> what do i do? :P
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• 3572[23:15:29] <g00se1> Anyone found a way to get Netflix running? Do you reckon if i install closed chrome on Jessie, i could get Netflix to work?
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• 3574[23:16:48] <winsen> hi all
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• 3576[23:17:18] <winsen> does anyone know why O can install testdisk on live cd with the following command line: sudo apt-get install testdisk: replaced-url
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• 3581[23:19:18] <petn-randall> winsen: Try asking in #ubuntu.
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• 3587[23:22:42] <random_numbers> petn-randall: Alright. Thanks for your help.
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• 3592[23:24:12] <TomTomTo1> g00se1: netflix works with google chrome. it needs the DRM features.
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• 3597[23:25:45] <winsen> petn-randall: you're right it's high level here. excuse me
• 3598[23:25:48] <g00se1> How do you get those features?
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• 3600[23:25:58] <TomTomTo1> by installing google chrome.
• 3601[23:26:15] <g00se1> Ah you mean from the google site?
• 3602[23:26:45] <g00se1> (the jessie one won't run Netflix)
• 3603[23:26:51] <TomTomTo1> yes, they offer a package for most linux distros.
• 3604[23:27:12] <TomTomTo1> no, chromium in jessie does not have the non-free drm stuff.
• 3605[23:27:27] <petn-randall> winsen: Nothing wrong about the question, it's just that we only support Debian in here for a number of social and technical reasons.
• 3606[23:27:37] <g00se1> OK, thanks. I'll try it on wheezy first. My repo one is broken anyway
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• 3608[23:29:35] <nuka-cola> ff has the DRM thingy too, not sure if debian version has it
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• 3610[23:30:10] <TomTomTo1> not the one in the repo last time i tried. upstream maybe.
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• 3613[23:30:48] <nuka-cola> upstream for sure
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• 3615[23:31:27] <nuka-cola> you have to change the user agent though, it used to last time I tried
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• 3618[23:31:46] <g00se1> Ugh. The closed one won't run on wheezy either. deps are a problem i ithink
• 3619[23:31:47] <somiaj> for netflix I find google-chrome .deb the easiest (provided you are running amd64 and may not work in wheezy -- which you shoudln't be using for a desktop anyways)
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• 3623[23:32:28] <nuka-cola> yeah google-chrome is the easiest way
• 3624[23:32:33] <nuka-cola> at least in debian
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• 3645[23:40:51] <g00se1> Actually google-chrome-stable IS running. But netflix (or chrome) says it's looking for Widevine CDM
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• 3649[23:44:31] <g00se1> nuka-cola: which user agent did you use. If i say i'm on a mac Netflix starts bitching about installing Silverlight
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• 3651[23:45:09] <nuka-cola> g00se1: for firefox?
• 3652[23:45:24] <g00se1> chrome
• 3653[23:45:27] <somiaj> g00se1: what verison of google-chrome-stable by chance? dpkg -l | grep google-crhome
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• 3655[23:45:48] <nuka-cola> g00se1: you dont need to fake the user agent with google chrome
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• 3657[23:46:11] <g00se1> google-chrome-stable 54.0.2840.100-1 amd64
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• 3661[23:46:57] <somiaj> g00se1: check about:plugins and make sure wildvine is enabled (I think it is a plugin)
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• 3663[23:46:59] <nuka-cola> g00se1: the error youre getting is weird, check the version and also check if chrome://plugins shows Widevine stuff disabled
• 3664[23:47:09] <nuka-cola> heh im getting slow
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• 3669[23:48:04] <g00se1> They are saying it's in chrome://components but it's not listed
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• 3672[23:48:23] <somiaj> g00se1: archwiki says plugins
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• 3674[23:48:56] <somiaj> also says chrome://plugins
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• 3677[23:49:30] <g00se1> somiaj: you're dead right
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• 3679[23:50:21] * g00se1 is going to try checking 'always allowed to run'
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• 3683[23:52:50] <g00se1> Well i was going to do a dist-upgrade on this box anyway. That might help
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• 3685[23:53:11] <g00se1> Still bitching about Widevine even though it's present
• 3686[23:53:20] <somiaj> did you restart chrome after making that change
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• 3689[23:53:42] <somiaj> g00se1: this is an old wheezy machine?
• 3690[23:53:56] <g00se1> Yes, it's wheezy 64
• 3691[23:53:59] <somiaj> wonder what chrome is wanting that wheezy doesn't have (though being a thrid party deb, it could just be buggy)
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• 3694[23:54:34] <somiaj> but my guess is it wasn't built with wheezy in mind, since wheezy has not recived any desktop security support for about 9 months now, upgrading is suggested, but not because of this problem.
• 3695[23:55:25] <g00se1> There is an error in the console: replaced-url
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• 3700[23:56:51] <somiaj> could be, unsure about what dbus, widevine and chrome need. I just know wheezy is outdated for a desktop.
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• 3704[23:58:46] <g00se1> So the consensus seems to be with google-chrome-stable on Jessie, it should just .. work?
• 3705[23:59:18] * dutch100p| still running one wheezy box
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