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• 16[00:05:53] <zuiss1> i think there's a bot in here that checks dependency conflicts for installing unstable packages in stable?
• 17[00:06:44] <TomTomTo1> not installing, backporting - building from source. /msg judd checkbackport <src-pkg>
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• 19[00:07:03] <TomTomTo1> also /msg dpkg ssb
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• 22[00:07:34] <zuiss1> thanks
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• 24[00:07:53] <zuiss1> it says all build dependencies satisfied getting it into jessie
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• 29[00:09:20] <zuiss1> so when i add the deb-src line and get it from sid, i am basically backporting this package myself?
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• 31[00:09:40] <zuiss1> it's as safe as installing something from jessie-backports?
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• 34[00:10:38] <missmbob> yes. yes.
• 35[00:11:09] <missmbob> what are you backporting, btw?
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• 37[00:12:05] <zuiss1> ranger
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• 45[00:14:57] <zuiss1> maybe some more if this method is safe and won't lead to broken debian
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• 81[00:29:54] <wonderworld> i am getting the ip for an interface with dhcp. i don't want the DNS to be autoconfigured by DHCP. I have "dns-nameservers" in /etc/network/interfaces but it doesn't seem to get honored. /etc/resolv.conf is being overwritten with the servers provided by DHCP. what can i do?
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• 88[00:32:33] <missmbob> !resolvconf
• 89[00:32:33] <dpkg> resolvconf is, like, a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Many packages including ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, pump, pdnsd, dnsmasq, ... are compatible with resolvconf, making it easier to manage your DNS settings. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>. See also <resolv.conf>.
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• 93[00:33:14] <missmbob> with that installed it should obey dns-nameservers from interfaces
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• 102[00:38:31] <wonderworld> missmbob: thanks will try
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• 110[00:42:14] <wonderworld> hmm strange
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• 112[00:42:36] <wonderworld> now i get 127.0.0.1 as nameserver in my resolv.conf
• 113[00:42:51] <wonderworld> (not the nameserver i configured in network/interfaces
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• 115[00:44:11] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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• 118[00:44:45] <tobiasBora> I just upgraded my debian unstable, and it looks like many changes occured... Like the replacement of xorg to wayland.
• 119[00:44:51] <missmbob> wonderworld: what are you using to configure it? what got the dhcp ip?
• 120[00:44:54] <missmbob> !debian-next
• 121[00:44:55] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 122[00:44:57] <missmbob> tobiasBora: go there ^
• 123[00:45:08] <tobiasBora> missmbob: Thank you
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• 127[00:45:45] <missmbob> wonderworld: two easy options: install dnsmasq or network-manager (in terminal use nmtui to configure)
• 128[00:45:56] <wonderworld> missmbob: that interface gets its IP via DHCP from my cable modem. i want to use my own DNS.
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• 130[00:46:10] <wonderworld> i actually have dnsmasq running on the machine
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• 132[00:46:20] <missmbob> so that's where it got 127.0.0.1 from
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• 134[00:46:23] <missmbob> you could remove it
• 135[00:46:36] <missmbob> or just see if you can ping google.com
• 136[00:46:41] <missmbob> if it's working 127.0.0.1 should be fine
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• 138[00:46:50] <missmbob> (if dnsmasq is working)
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• 140[00:47:31] <wonderworld> it works but i would like to understand the mechanism why it was set to 127.0.0.1. i thought it should have configured the values from /etc/network/interfaces dns-nameservers directive?
• 141[00:47:47] <missmbob> wonderworld: for dnsmasq it has to be 127.0.0.1. it's a dns cache run on localhost
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• 144[00:48:07] <missmbob> wonderworld: you can configure which dns server dnsmasq uses manually, but resolv.conf must stay 127.0.0.1 to use it as cache
• 145[00:48:08] <wonderworld> yes, but i have other values in interfaces just for testing
• 146[00:48:12] <missmbob> wonderworld: replaced-url
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• 148[00:48:39] <wonderworld> sorry for my bad english. let me try to explain
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• 150[00:48:57] <wonderworld> i run dnsmasq on the box and it is working.
• 151[00:49:09] <wonderworld> but i realized the box itself didn't use it.
• 152[00:49:14] <wonderworld> (clients in my lan did)
• 153[00:49:31] <missmbob> right because resolv.conf wasnt set to 127.0.0.1 until you installed resolvconf
• 154[00:49:39] <wonderworld> yes
• 155[00:49:45] <wonderworld> it was set to my providers dns
• 156[00:49:48] <wonderworld> but...
• 157[00:49:55] <wonderworld> why has it been set to 127.0.0.1
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• 159[00:50:14] <wonderworld> i dont have 127.0.0.1 as an option for dns-nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces
• 160[00:50:15] <missmbob> because dnsmasq is installed. it *must* be set to 127.0.0.1 for dnsmasq to work as caching
• 161[00:50:30] <wonderworld> so resolvconf asks dnsmasq?
• 162[00:50:33] <missmbob> yes
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• 164[00:51:02] <wonderworld> if i would uninstall dnsmasq it would honor the setting in /etc/network/interfaces ?
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• 166[00:51:36] <missmbob> it should. there are other programs that could be trying to control it as well. which is why i asked if you were using network-manager or other things as well
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• 168[00:51:55] <wonderworld> ok. got it. thanks a lot!
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• 172[00:53:07] <wonderworld> ok, i tried it out. didn't work. gets the nameservers from my ISP again when dnsmasq is uninstalled
• 173[00:53:30] <wonderworld> but it doesn't matter. will try to debug this in case I'll ever need it again
• 174[00:53:34] <wonderworld> tnx for your help
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• 182[00:59:01] <z01d> Anyone familiar with Thecus N5200 NAS ?
• 183[00:59:15] <Emil> Anyone know mdadm?
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• 188[00:59:45] <missmbob> wonderworld: does sudo resolvconf -u update /etc/resolv.conf?
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• 190[01:01:46] <wonderworld> missmbob: yes it does (but I have reinstalled dnsmasq already)
• 191[01:02:56] <user03> I wonder how many years of updates do I get with debian-stable vs. debian-testing?
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• 194[01:04:12] <missmbob> jessie was release in april 25th 2015. do the math
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• 197[01:05:36] <user03> Do I get more years of updates with debian-testing?
• 198[01:05:59] <missmbob> user03: what's your native tongue?
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• 200[01:07:42] <missmbob> please dont /msg
• 201[01:07:49] <missmbob> so what exactly do you mean?
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• 203[01:08:48] <wonderworld> missmbob: ok i retested.
• 204[01:09:19] <wonderworld> dnsmasq installed: resolvconf -u and dhclient eth0 --> 127.0.0.1
• 205[01:09:40] <wonderworld> dnsmasq not installed: resolvconf -u -> values from dns-nameservers
• 206[01:09:49] <missmbob> that's what should happen. that's good. okay.
• 207[01:09:54] <wonderworld> dnsmasq not installed: dhclient eth0 -> nothing
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• 215[01:13:31] <user03> Is debian-testing sort of like a rolling release type of debian or close to it? OK, so like the stable version is supported for around 3 yrs. Is the testing version also supported for 3 yrs?
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• 217[01:14:07] <nano_python> testing will become the next stable
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• 219[01:14:29] <nano_python> once that happens, unstable moves to testing and so on
• 220[01:14:32] <missmbob> right now it's nearing freeze to become stretch (next stable)
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• 223[01:15:12] <wonderworld> i still dislike systemd
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• 225[01:15:29] <nano_python> I actually really like systemd
• 226[01:15:31] <wonderworld> maybe i am just too lazy to learn something new but it feels too complicated
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• 230[01:17:16] <user03> I see...So, only if I want the latest versions of software, then I should go to the testing version.
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• 232[01:17:40] <missmbob> for a lot of things you dont need to do that. stable has backports
• 233[01:17:44] <missmbob> !jessie-backports
• 234[01:17:45] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
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• 236[01:18:01] <missmbob> and of course testing is less stable
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• 256[01:21:49] <wonderworld> i use stable on servers and testing or arch on workstations
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• 258[01:22:24] <wonderworld> used to be a good choice
• 259[01:22:40] <user03> Do programs break down frequently on testing?
• 260[01:22:51] <missmbob> yes. especially during library transitions
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• 268[01:25:01] <jeezy> hm
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• 273[01:27:02] <user03> hmm...dpkg what is <bdo> that you spoke of?
• 274[01:27:12] <missmbob> !bdo
• 275[01:27:12] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
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• 277[01:27:37] <missmbob> note you can also /msg dpkg foo
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• 294[01:32:03] <hwaseo> Anyone here running stretch on a chromebook?
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• 302[01:35:58] <jmcnaught> hwaseo: maybe in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (the stretch channel)
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• 305[01:37:11] <SporkWitch> hwaseo: i was using sid for a while, on a whim decided to nuke the card and try an actual dual-boot with arch, now i can't get back heh (crouton seems to be broken in various ways for sid and jessie; haven't tried stretch)
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• 310[01:40:43] <SporkWitch> hwaseo: have you had any luck installing any distro with crouton recently?
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• 337[01:54:21] <user03> So, how would you rate the security of debian to other unix-like distributions?
• 338[01:55:16] <missmbob> great if you're using stable. testing has no real security and it can take a few days for any security fix to be accepted
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• 340[01:57:05] <missmbob> !testing security
• 341[01:57:06] <dpkg> The testing release does not receive full security support until just before release. Up until that time, security updates can take a few days to arrive and will often be new upstream versions which may require you to spend significant time reconfiguring applications. Don't run 'testing' on things where good security support and stability are important. See <moving target>.
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• 344[01:57:45] <SporkWitch> in short, "better than windows, but not great"
• 345[01:58:09] <missmbob> really dont use testing if you give a fuck. but it stability or security
• 346[01:58:17] <missmbob> be* it
• 347[01:58:44] <SporkWitch> stretch == testing, right?
• 348[01:58:47] <missmbob> yes
• 349[01:58:55] <user03> Would you say that it is better than most except for a few like openbsd, especially if you are just using the main free software repo?
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• 351[01:59:16] <missmbob> user03: yes. most distros see how debian patches since they're based on debian
• 352[01:59:18] <SporkWitch> !sid security
• 353[01:59:18] <dpkg> There is no security support for unstable (sid) at all. Uploads of new packages that fix security vulnerabilities are handled in the same way as any other new version -- this means it's up to the maintainer to do a new upload and you (perhaps) to reconfigure services to cope with the new version. This is one of the reasons unstable is not suitable for day-to-day use in many situations. Also ask me about <moving target>.
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• 355[02:00:37] <SporkWitch> is there something in particular from stretch or sid that you need? i usually run latest stable (currently jessie) on my servers
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• 376[02:06:45] <winsen> Hi all
• 377[02:06:47] <winsen> does anyone know how can I know if I created boot partition or not? in other words, how can I reconize that partition? :replaced-url
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• 381[02:07:58] <winsen> any clue guys?
• 382[02:08:57] <missmbob> winsen: "boot partition" means nothing really. it's just where you configured grub to look. the boot flag itself (if that's what you're talking about) doesn't matter on linux
• 383[02:09:10] <SporkWitch> other than just starting mounting them and seeing what's on them, not really; just mount them up and look for one that has the files /boot should have
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• 386[02:10:29] <magyar> hi, how can i see what version of a package is in jessie-backports?
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• 388[02:10:47] <magyar> I'm looking for qtchooser
• 389[02:10:53] <SporkWitch> replaced-url
• 390[02:10:58] <SporkWitch> GIYF
• 391[02:11:02] <missmbob> or /msg judd v packagename
• 392[02:11:12] <missmbob> packages.debian.org
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• 394[02:12:35] <magyar> the odd thing is "qtchooser" is not there
• 395[02:13:07] <missmbob> why's that odd?
• 396[02:13:13] <themill> magyar: why is a newer version needed?
• 397[02:13:33] <magyar> I'm trying to figure out if my version is valid
• 398[02:13:37] <winsen> missmbob: I am asking thi question because i reeinstalled grub2 but It doesn't work correctely and I can't change grub boot order so I wonder now that I installed the grub on '/' , so I am a bit confused, because I have on partition sda3 that I don't if it's my boot partition or not. Are there any way to be sure if it is or not?
• 399[02:13:57] <themill> magyar: sorry, no idea what "version is valid" means
• 400[02:14:50] <missmbob> winsen: you can use a live cd/usb and mount them.
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• 402[02:14:54] <magyar> themill: i have version 58-gfab25f1-1~bpo8+1, and wondering what version is the right one
• 403[02:15:13] <themill> for what?
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• 405[02:15:33] <magyar> themill: this version of mine is breaking all sorts of qt5 packages
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• 407[02:16:24] <themill> magyar: qtchooser is only used at compile time
• 408[02:16:25] <magyar> themill: I'm trying to install hplip and getting errors like >> error: No module named 'PyQt5'
• 409[02:16:34] <winsen> missmbob: sda3 is already mounted didn't you see?
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• 411[02:16:49] <SporkWitch> so look at what's there
• 412[02:16:54] <magyar> themill: so can I remove that package?
• 413[02:16:55] <SporkWitch> like we said earlier
• 414[02:17:09] <missmbob> winsen: no. i saw this which tells me nothing replaced-url
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• 416[02:17:29] <winsen> missmbob: are there any way to be sure if it's my boot partition or not?
• 417[02:18:04] <magyar> themill: I can't remove this package without wiping my kde install out
• 418[02:18:08] <missmbob> from what you've shown me, no. if it is mounted you should see config-foo initrd.img-foo vmlinuz-foo System.map etc etc
• 419[02:18:22] <winsen> missmbob: tell me what do you want to know?
• 420[02:18:45] <missmbob> the contents. that's why i said mount it
• 421[02:18:51] <winsen> missmbob: or maybe some here can tell us how can I do to know that.
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• 424[02:19:11] <missmbob> okay. i give up. good luck.
• 425[02:19:27] <themill> magyar: hmm... it also provides some compatibility symlinks but nothing to do with pyqt5 in any case. Where is this hplip form?
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• 429[02:20:21] <magyar> themill: from main jessie repo or jessie-backports
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• 432[02:20:59] <magyar> themill: hplip is for HP multifuction devices
• 433[02:21:18] <magyar> without this beast, no printing/scanning for me
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• 435[02:21:30] <themill> magyar: hplip doesn't have any dependencies on any pyqt stuff that I can see
• 436[02:21:31] <winsen> missmbob: I did right now and ?
• 437[02:21:45] <winsen> any clue guys?
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• 439[02:22:12] <magyar> themill: hmm, wonder why I'm getting these errors after I install the package
• 440[02:22:13] <winsen> how can I know if I hav boot partition or not?
• 441[02:22:20] <winsen> *have
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• 443[02:22:31] <SporkWitch> asked and answered
• 444[02:23:09] <winsen> SporkWitch: are you talking to me?
• 445[02:23:15] <SporkWitch> yes
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• 447[02:23:26] <winsen> SporkWitch: I didn't see your answer
• 448[02:23:28] <missmbob> i dont know how many times we have to answer before you pay attention
• 449[02:23:29] <winsen> sorry
• 450[02:23:48] * SporkWitch goes back to fighting with crouton
• 451[02:24:14] * SporkWitch wishes the asus c100 supported NFC...
• 452[02:24:23] <winsen> missmbob: again I told you I mounted it
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• 454[02:24:28] <missmbob> 19:18 < missmbob> from what you've shown me, no. if it is mounted you should see config-foo initrd.img-foo vmlinuz-foo System.map etc etc
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• 457[02:24:41] <missmbob> winsen: see? answered. multiple times. dont waste our time
• 458[02:24:48] <magyar> themill: I think I got it, the version in jessie-backports is borken :)
• 459[02:24:59] <magyar> the hplip-gui that is
• 460[02:25:09] <winsen> missmbob: I am sorry, but I didn't get you
• 461[02:25:26] <magyar> it requires libqt5core5a
• 462[02:25:44] <magyar> but libqt5core5a is broken
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• 464[02:26:04] <winsen> missmbob: please don't think it's a joke
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• 467[02:27:40] <winsen> missmbob: when you said mount it with live cd, you mean create a boot partition? or just by typing on terminal: sudo mount /dev/sda3 /mnt?
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• 469[02:28:14] <kevr> hello.
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• 471[02:28:28] <missmbob> the latter
• 472[02:28:56] <themill> magyar: real commands and real output in a pastebin would be helpful. You keep "broken" without any details.
• 473[02:29:07] <kevr> i'm setting up a postfix/dovecot-imapd/postfixadmin/mysql virtual user mail service. postfix is sending received email to a different directory than dovecot is looking in email for.
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• 478[02:31:30] <winsen> I pmed you SporkWitch: can you please take a look?
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• 481[02:32:07] <SporkWitch> i think you made a typo in the pm, and i have +g anyway, so it wouldn't go through; what is it you need?
• 482[02:32:40] <bw_> i'm trying to install debian in virtualbox, and the installer just hangs right away, with a black screen. where do i even start troubleshooting this? it doesn't give any error messages
• 483[02:32:56] <magyar> themill: replaced-url
• 484[02:33:24] <missmbob> bw_: i'd checksum the iso. that's weird. debian in virtualbox just works(tm)
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• 486[02:33:36] <missmbob> bw_ sure you got the right one? amd64 and not arm64 or something?
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• 488[02:35:59] <bw_> i'll look at checksums right now
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• 494[02:37:40] <Stiffler> hi
• 495[02:37:52] <Stiffler> after dist upgrade cant enter gnome 3
• 496[02:38:04] <Stiffler> enter password back to login screen
• 497[02:38:24] <missmbob> Strife89: which version of debian?
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• 499[02:38:42] <Stiffler> 9
• 500[02:38:59] <missmbob> yeah, there's a lot of people complaining about that. go to their channel
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• 502[02:39:01] <missmbob> !debian-next
• 503[02:39:02] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 504[02:39:02] <missmbob> ^
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• 506[02:39:20] <Stiffler> yes am looking their too
• 507[02:39:49] <Stiffler> its pretty quite out their
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• 511[02:40:22] <missmbob> you just now joined
• 512[02:40:23] <kinkysluts> I SUPPORT THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA
• 513[02:40:26] <missmbob> i've been there :P
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• 517[02:41:18] <kinkysluts> !ops | where are all the kinky bitches?
• 518[02:41:18] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: kinkysluts complains about: | where are all the kinky bitches
• 519[02:41:19] <Stiffler> i will have pervert associat of murica
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• 521[02:41:44] <Stiffler> its so bad
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• 523[02:41:56] <bw_> missmbob: the checksums are right. i'm on i386, and the iso is the same one i just used to install debian on my computer
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• 525[02:41:57] <Stiffler> when u opned ur lap top for some thing and now its stuck
• 526[02:42:37] <kinkysluts> !opswhere are all the kinky sluts?
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• 528[02:42:37] <dpkg> kinkysluts: okay
• 529[02:42:51] <kinkysluts> !ops where are all the kinky sluts?
• 530[02:42:51] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: kinkysluts complains about: where are all the kinky sluts
• 531[02:42:56] <bw_> i just tried an older debian iso with virtualbox, and it works
• 532[02:43:03] <kinkysluts> bw_: shut up
• 533[02:43:18] <kinkysluts> the goatsex demon does not care about your virtual box
• 534[02:43:46] <SporkWitch> O.o
• 535[02:43:54] <kinkysluts> SporkWitch: hello
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• 537[02:44:04] <kinkysluts> are you a kinky girl?
• 538[02:44:11] <kinkysluts> wanna have cyber sex?
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• 540[02:44:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o abrotman
• 541[02:44:24] *** abrotman sets mode: +b *!*@172.98.79.167
• 542[02:44:24] *** kinkysluts was kicked by abrotman (you should know better)
• 543[02:44:24] *** abrotman sets mode: -o abrotman
• 544[02:45:10] * SporkWitch yawns
• 545[02:45:31] <Stiffler> o yaaaa!
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• 547[02:45:37] <Stiffler> o yaaaas!
• 548[02:45:46] <Stiffler> *getting a stiff*
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• 552[02:46:12] <abrotman> Stiffler: not appropriate
• 553[02:46:19] <Stiffler> :(
• 554[02:46:30] <Stiffler> hey where are the system log files are stored?
• 555[02:46:32] <SporkWitch> i miss the days when we had QUALITY trolls on this network
• 556[02:46:38] <Stiffler> etc ?
• 557[02:46:43] <SporkWitch> /var/log
• 558[02:46:50] <SporkWitch> !FHS
• 559[02:46:51] <dpkg> Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See replaced-url
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• 561[02:48:43] <winsen> Are there any conflit if I create boot partition and Install on grub2? Otherwise, how can I clean /uninstall the grub2 that I have on '/' partition that already installed in order to mount/create new boot partition?
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• 563[02:49:18] <SporkWitch> !MBR
• 564[02:49:18] <dpkg> The Master Boot Record (MBR) is the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. To install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of LILO within the MBR) from Linux "install-mbr /dev/hda"; from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr", or ask me about <fixmbr>. See replaced-url
• 565[02:49:29] * SporkWitch likes this bot
• 566[02:50:47] <Stiffler> !MBR
• 567[02:50:47] <dpkg> The Master Boot Record (MBR) is the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. To install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of LILO within the MBR) from Linux "install-mbr /dev/hda"; from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr", or ask me about <fixmbr>. See replaced-url
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• 569[02:50:54] <Stiffler> oh
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• 573[02:53:36] <winsen> SporkWitch: do you mean I need to install clean MBR on boot partition or reeisnatall clean MBR on dev/hda?
• 574[02:55:16] <missmbob> winsen: arent you using ubuntu, anyway?
• 575[02:55:53] <SporkWitch> no, i was addressing the most recent question; your actual issue has been addressed repeatedly and you've ignored us
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• 579[02:57:45] <missmbob> you need to go ask #ubuntu what to do
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• 587[03:01:03] <law> hey all, I'm having a heck of a time preseeding a Jessie install
• 588[03:01:06] <law> no matter how I set up my preseed.cfg, it always comes to a screeching halt at the 'choose disks for partitioning' step
• 589[03:01:17] <law> any thoughts on what d-i option needs setting to get past that?
• 590[03:03:35] <winsen> missmbob: no I am using debian and windowz on my machine
• 591[03:03:50] <missmbob> 19:54 -!- winsen [~ubuntu@eth-
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• 610[03:13:27] <winsen> missmbob: I don't get you my friend
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• 612[03:14:03] <SporkWitch> i used to LOVE enlightenment back in the day, how am i just now finding this? replaced-url
• 613[03:14:07] <winsen> missmbob: I am not 18 years old, do an effort to be clear please
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• 615[03:14:14] <SporkWitch> photo previews in a terminal emulator?!
• 616[03:14:38] * SporkWitch has a nerdgasm
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• 618[03:15:13] <zophyx> i loved enlightenment on a big ibm 21 inch ,11mm dot pitch 64K grey level monitor
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• 620[03:15:40] <SporkWitch> i've got terminology installing in this crouton yakkety chroot root, i'm gonna see how it handles lol
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• 623[03:16:21] <SporkWitch> (apparently the yakkety one still installs; debian jessie and sid are both broken currently >_<)
• 624[03:16:52] <SporkWitch> but yeah, enlightenment is great; i wish their attempt at a tablet interface were more mature, though. I've tried it and it's very sluggish and klunky.
• 625[03:17:06] <SporkWitch> which is odd, since enlightenment is pretty lightweight, especially for all the eyecandy it provides
• 626[03:17:25] <winsen> missmbob: bashing-on: welcome back, my problem is the followin; Grub is not working correctely and I can't change grub2 boot order. I have windoz and linux, I'd like to make windows first, I tried many times but it doesn't work. even though I already did that and worked perfectely; but after I reinstalled windoz and grub2 from live cd it doesn't work correctelly as I said. Normallly I should have 2 or 3 line linux, windoz, l
• 627[03:17:25] <winsen> inux and advanced linux. instead of that it shows 5 or 6 lines and it boot direteley on the 1st wrong line(2 following lines are wrong too). Hope that make sense.
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• 643[03:26:03] <fubu> xD
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• 653[03:33:07] <winsen> missmbob: thank you anyway
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• 660[03:37:07] <user03> hmm...there is the btrfs file system. I don't think that it is stable though. It's too bad, that snapshot feature should prove useful to some users. I guess most people can use ext4 and if you have a lot of data, then you could use xfs file system. I think that they are more stable than btrfs.
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• 703[03:55:20] <yulax> winsen: is it really such a bother to press arrow keys? or you could make windows bootloader first in the bios
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• 750[04:16:40] <rootd00d> using bitchx for the first time in so long...
• 751[04:17:36] <missmbob> rootd00d: why are you telling people? want to get hacked?
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• 753[04:17:38] <dvs> but it's dead
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• 762[04:21:40] <SporkWitch> user03: btrfs is actually quite stable these days. what issues remain seem to be exclusively with regard to certain RAID-specific features
• 763[04:21:55] <SporkWitch> and IIRC, they don't apply if you're using hardware RAID
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• 770[04:29:18] <nano_python> Even openSUSE now uses btrfs as the default for root partition
• 771[04:31:25] <missmbob> they did that 2 years ago. wasn't very smart
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• 778[04:35:07] <nano_python> missmbob, But it did bring more attention to btrfs which can only improve it later on
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• 782[04:35:45] <missmbob> heh. yes. those poor souls who lost everything...it's okay, it saved others!
• 783[04:35:54] <SporkWitch> O.o
• 784[04:36:04] <missmbob> that's some backwards stupid logic
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• 787[04:36:50] <SporkWitch> i really question those horror stories; admittedly it's anecdotal, but i don't know anyone that's had issues outside of the clearly labeled poor RAID support, and i'd been using it for years without issue (only RAID being hardware)
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• 790[04:37:17] <missmbob> i had horrible experience with it using encryption on non-raid
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• 792[04:37:25] <missmbob> thankfully it was a testing setup
• 793[04:37:43] <SporkWitch> i had not messed with LUKS on it, so there's that
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• 795[04:38:20] <missmbob> i'm giving it more time before i try again.
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• 801[04:39:41] <SporkWitch> grrrr, thunderbird just crashes outright without any error output >_<
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• 811[04:43:55] <awal1> teraflops, time ago you mentionned a tool for check internet bandwidth. what's the name again, please?
• 812[04:44:08] <SporkWitch> replaced-url
• 813[04:44:15] <missmbob> ,i speedtest.net
• 814[04:44:16] <judd> No package named 'speedtest.net' was found in jessie/amd64.
• 815[04:44:17] <missmbob> ,i speedtes
• 816[04:44:18] <judd> No package named 'speedtes' was found in jessie/amd64.
• 817[04:44:19] <missmbob> ,i speedtest
• 818[04:44:20] <judd> No package named 'speedtest' was found in jessie/amd64.
• 819[04:44:20] <missmbob> fuck me
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• 821[04:44:27] <missmbob> ,i speedtest-cli
• 822[04:44:28] <judd> Package speedtest-cli (utils, optional) in jessie/amd64: Command line interface for testing internet bandwidth using speedtest.net. Version: 0.3.1-1; Size: 12.0k; Installed: 89k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 824[04:44:29] <SporkWitch> lol
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• 826[04:44:30] <missmbob> thank jesus
• 827[04:44:30] <awal1> I have speedtest-cli yet
• 828[04:44:47] * SporkWitch comforts missmbob
• 829[04:45:00] <awal1> looks like there is another tool with better features
• 830[04:45:24] <missmbob> are you talking about nload?
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• 832[04:45:44] <awal1> missmboab, not sure
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• 834[04:46:17] <awal1> teraflops told mentionned it and I found it interesting checking it's description
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• 836[04:46:39] <missmbob> awal1: your irc client doesnt keep a log?
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• 839[04:47:48] <awal1> missmbob, sometimes I clear it. the pkg have been mentionned a few months ago :P
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• 842[04:48:29] <missmbob> awal1: you should invest time in finding a note taking app that you like :/
• 843[04:48:45] <missmbob> my life is basically on keep
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• 853[04:52:03] <awal1> missmbob: yeah, but sometimes no enough free time for find and try things; almost no time for try and lear manuals
• 854[04:52:17] <awal1> learn ^
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• 900[05:28:07] <iStrive_> Hello
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• 902[05:30:00] <iStrive_> Any expert on smb setup? I can't connect from Jessie to Mac using Dolphin from Network > Samba Shares, it continually asks for user/pw even though the same credentials works fine from Win to Mac...
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• 951[06:04:52] <winsen> hi all
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• 954[06:06:30] <winsen> I foolowed these steps to reinstall grub2 from replaced-url
• 955[06:06:35] <winsen> any ckue guys?
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• 1001[06:37:55] <MarvelDigital> i'm thinking of buying the half-life bundle from Steam. I previously had a copy of 1/2 life but I couldn't get it running properly on squeeze, so i gave up. anyone know if this will install properly on Jessie?
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• 1004[06:39:30] <missmbob> i'm guessing it'll work fine if you follow replaced-url
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• 1008[06:41:19] <missmbob> also half-life is officially supported by crossover so wine should run it fine if you have to go that route
• 1009[06:41:28] <winsen> how to know if I am using Uefi boot or bios boot?
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• 1011[06:41:46] <MarvelDigital> missmbob, thanks. i'll give that a try tonight.
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• 1013[06:42:00] <winsen> what is the command line?
• 1014[06:42:24] <missmbob> type this in command line exactly:
• 1015[06:42:26] <missmbob> [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS
• 1016[06:42:59] <MarvelDigital> i'm currently playing UrbanTerror and it runs fine, i'm hoping i can get the same result from half-life...although the kde doesn't work properly with my nvidia card.
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• 1018[06:44:13] <winsen> missbob: thank you. it says bios. is it possible to have both but my system is only using bios, if so how can I use UEFI?
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• 1020[06:44:51] <missmbob> inside system setup is where you choose if you want legacy bios or uefi.
• 1021[06:45:28] <missmbob> you can only have one "enabled"/"useable"
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• 1024[06:45:58] <awal1> missmbob: looks like the command is wrong
• 1025[06:46:08] <missmbob> awal1: you're not in bash, are you?
• 1026[06:46:24] <awal1> if you put BIOS at the end it returns bios if at the end you put uefi it returns uefi :P
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• 1028[06:47:05] <missmbob> heh. i did fuck that up
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• 1030[06:47:27] <missmbob> anyway now he knows the path. hope that was enough of a clue
• 1031[06:47:29] <awal1> missmbob: bash , yeah
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• 1034[06:47:48] <missmbob> i know, i missed the damn if statement
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• 1038[06:49:18] <awal1> winsen: what returns the command [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo "EFI boot on HDD" || echo "Legacy boot on HDD" ?
• 1039[06:49:45] <winsen> awall: it says : bios
• 1040[06:49:45] <awal1> if efi, it should return EFI on HDD
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• 1042[06:50:20] <winsen> awall: can I have both or not?
• 1043[06:50:35] <awal1> well, I took the command from replaced-url
• 1044[06:50:37] <missmbob> no. one at a time
• 1045[06:50:45] <awal1> I have no really a clue anyway :P :D
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• 1048[06:51:57] <awal1> I dont know if it should return just "BIOS" or "Legacy boot on HDD" when in bios mode
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• 1052[06:54:36] <awal1> winsen: why the idea of have them both?
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• 1057[06:57:04] <winsen> missbob: I thought read something like that somewhere, like you know for the new computer with ssd could also have HDD and the future machine won't have hdd. everytime works like all about business.
• 1058[06:58:44] <winsen> missmbob: sorry I replied to awal1,
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• 1060[06:59:04] <winsen> awal1: does that make sense for you.
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• 1064[07:00:12] <winsen> awal1: like battery for computer, first you can change it and for the future you can't and so on.
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• 1067[07:00:42] <winsen> I have to go bed. good night all.
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• 1069[07:01:05] <winsen> missmbob, awal1: thanks again
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• 1189[08:26:40] <athon> are you sure you cant see?
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• 1192[08:27:40] <missmbob> yasumi2136: you're using a gui to umount it, arent you?
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• 1194[08:28:03] <missmbob> yasumi2136: those usually eject. what you need to do is call umount from terminal so it doesnt eject from the system
• 1195[08:28:10] <ElDiabolo> What is "seeing" anyway? ls -l /dev/sda1, ls -l /dev/sda
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• 1197[08:29:28] <yasumi2136> ok i think it has ejected my usb drive because i just remove and plug it again, do again "umount /dev/sda1" and the command with mkfs and right now that works
• 1198[08:29:38] <yasumi2136> thank you guys!!
• 1199[08:29:42] <missmbob> yeah...that's what i said :P
• 1200[08:29:51] <yasumi2136> but ^^
• 1201[08:30:15] <yasumi2136> how can i find again my usb drive after an ejecting?
• 1202[08:30:23] <missmbob> unplug it and plug it back in
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• 1204[08:30:53] <yasumi2136> no other way to get it back from terminal?
• 1205[08:31:18] <missmbob> no
• 1206[08:31:41] <yasumi2136> ok, thanks so missmbob ^^
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• 1208[08:32:07] <ElDiabolo> Uuuh, something that can not be done from the command line. Rare.
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• 1212[08:32:40] <missmbob> i can imagine it being possible if you rmmod the usb modules...but then good luck typing to modprobe
• 1213[08:33:09] <ElDiabolo> Hehe. Bye.
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• 1224[08:40:41] <darxmurf> hi all
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• 1238[08:48:32] <squigz> Why would I suddenly be getting "The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found" error on apt-get update?
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• 1240[08:49:32] <squigz> Oh crap I thought I had other https repos before this one
• 1241[08:49:34] <squigz> Never mind
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• 1276[09:09:29] <kinkysluts> where are all the kinky sluts?
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• 1339[09:47:58] <r3m1> hello
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• 1342[09:51:08] <r3m1> I am developing on embedded computers running Debian 7. Those computers have 2 network interfaces, each connected to a different way (say mobile network, DSL) to connect to the internet. I have set up some scripts and routes to be able to test if each connection is working. In example, I have set a first route by ETH1 to a public server in order to ping it, and a second route to a different server to ping it using ETH2, hence w
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• 1345[09:51:45] <warchild> cliffhanger
• 1346[09:52:08] <r3m1> now I think I am facing some DNS problem. At least when I want to run ntpdate with pool.ntp.org, it seems that it doesn't reach the server, when I am connected through the mobile connection.
• 1347[09:52:33] <r3m1> if I ping pool.ntp.org, it tries to ping 10.0.0.1
• 1348[09:52:51] <r3m1> in /etc/resolv.conf I put OpenDNS nameservers
• 1349[09:53:21] <r3m1> but I think I'm missing something
• 1350[09:54:08] <r3m1> any hints on how to properly make this setup working ?
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• 1354[09:56:59] <r3m1> I noticed however that if I set up the IP of the mobile (3G) modem in resolv.conf, it does resolve DNS
• 1355[09:57:09] <r3m1> (when connected through 3G connection)
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• 1358[09:57:25] <r3m1> so, is it a problem of poorly configured route ?
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• 1360[09:58:01] <r3m1> does OpenDNS servers are not reachable because no route leads to them ? Could it be ?
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• 1382[10:09:54] <theraspberry> Hi, I have a few debian VM's that I want to backup and then restore onto a different machine, so I tar up the root directory of the server with tar -czvf --one-file-system and then unpacking into the destination filesystem, modifying /etc/fstab and then installing/upgrading grub with chroot. I have tried this exact process with a few ubuntu machines and it worked fine, but for some reason on debian grub works fine, loads the kernal and
• 1383[10:09:55] <theraspberry> then I get "Loading initial ramdisk ..." which is when grub calls the initrd.img stuff and then I get a continuous black screen with no activity whatsoever, I am confused on what I am missing.
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• 1385[10:11:37] <theraspberry> thanks for taking the time to read though my wall of text.
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• 1388[10:12:15] <nano_python> If they are VM's, why not just copy/paste the vm files?
• 1389[10:13:01] <theraspberry> VM's in a xenserver, want to transfer to kvm and also have the conveinence of keeping images of my servers for later use if needed.
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• 1396[10:17:15] <theraspberry> "tar --exclude=/tmp/ --one-file-system -czvpf" actually
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• 1398[10:17:22] <Capprentice> Help Needed: Im trying to set up an Squid Box in bridge mode using Ubuntu 16.04 with two interfaces with TPROXY. Following is the firewall conf -replaced-url
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• 1402[10:17:38] <missmbob> !ubuntu
• 1403[10:17:39] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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• 1407[10:19:20] <Capprentice> I have tried the same with Debian and it did not worked.
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• 1409[10:19:34] <missmbob> doesnt matter. you're not on debian now.
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• 1411[10:20:23] <missmbob> plus i'd probably be asking in #netfilter
• 1412[10:20:31] <Capprentice> I did.
• 1413[10:20:39] <missmbob> so now you're crossposting too
• 1414[10:20:41] <missmbob> great
• 1415[10:21:00] <rocketbomb> ls
• 1416[10:21:33] <Capprentice> Yes. Im doing it. I have been waiting in the SQUID channel for past 30 mins. No one has an answer. Im trying to reach out to more peoples.
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• 1418[10:22:17] <missmbob> it's not squid's problem. it's #netfilter's
• 1419[10:22:47] <Capprentice> Where do you see the problem?
• 1420[10:23:08] <Capprentice> What is wrong in the Config?
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• 1422[10:23:59] <bhuddah> Capprentice: you're sure that your squid is on port 3129 on localhost?
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• 1424[10:25:01] <Capprentice> yes. I have tried to force squid to listen on all Addresses 0.0.0.0:3129 on localhost only 127.0.0.1:3129 tproxy. None worked.
• 1425[10:25:42] <Capprentice> Right not Squid Conf has these lines: http_port 0.0.0.0:3128 http_port 0.0.0.0:3129 tproxy
• 1426[10:25:49] <bhuddah> Capprentice: have you only tried or have you succeeded in?
• 1427[10:26:11] <Capprentice> Not succeded.
• 1428[10:27:22] <Capprentice> bhuddah: See this - replaced-url
• 1429[10:27:26] <bhuddah> Capprentice: i know that a lot of howtos show the solution with the marking chain... can you try this simpler way please? replaced-url
• 1430[10:27:45] <bhuddah> you're pasting dead links.
• 1431[10:28:20] <Capprentice> replaced-url
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• 1433[10:28:30] <Capprentice> m was missing from copy/paste :D
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• 1435[10:29:18] <bhuddah> Capprentice: the redirection should maybe have a real ip not 0.0.0.0. redirecting something to "anywhere" isn't a good choice i guess.
• 1436[10:29:21] <Capprentice> bhuddah: Squid works if I set it inside browser as HTTP proxy on port 3128. Im sure it will work with the iptables only redirect.
• 1437[10:29:34] <Capprentice> Im mentioning the port./
• 1438[10:29:37] <bhuddah> Capprentice: the transparent mode works differently.
• 1439[10:30:10] <bhuddah> do you want a working solution or do you want to make the non-working solution work by magic?
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• 1443[10:30:34] <Capprentice> bhuddah: The interfaces are bridged. Its not going to work with the brouting rules.
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• 1446[10:31:02] <bhuddah> why do you have bridged interfaces in the first place?
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• 1448[10:31:11] <bhuddah> and why do you think this matters for the proxy setup?
• 1449[10:32:16] <Capprentice> I want to built a plug and play setup. If anything crashes so that the end operator can simply remove the server from the middle and get back to working.
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• 1451[10:33:35] <bhuddah> a portable MITM setup :)
• 1452[10:34:01] <Capprentice> No. There is no ssl involved.
• 1453[10:34:03] <Capprentice> --dport 80 -j TPROXY --tproxy-mark 0x1/0x1 --on-port 3129
• 1454[10:34:09] <Capprentice> Only http.
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• 1461[10:36:32] <bhuddah> Capprentice: i think the simpler way is really to not do the proxy marking and just use prerouting redirection. that should work fine.
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• 1463[10:37:10] <Capprentice> I can not user simple nat as shown in TLDP example. I need transparency/
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• 1476[10:41:37] <pupil_> hallo
• 1477[10:42:12] <Capprentice> ?
• 1478[10:42:12] <pupil_> brauch mal hilfe ... kann mir jemand mit grep weiter helfen ?=
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• 1480[10:42:34] <pupil_> could someone help me put with grep ?
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• 1482[10:42:49] <bhuddah> !ask
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• 1484[10:42:49] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 1486[10:42:59] <missmbob> !de
• 1487[10:42:59] <dpkg> Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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• 1489[10:43:06] <ferna> hello
• 1490[10:43:28] <ferna> i ahve set up my tzdata as america/newyork why is the clock showing utc?
• 1491[10:43:35] <ferna> or how do i fix that?
• 1492[10:43:40] <ferna> thank you for your help
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• 1494[10:44:27] <missmbob> ferna: try sudo timedatectl set-timezone America/New_York
• 1495[10:44:50] <ferna> Thanks will try now
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• 1498[10:45:37] <ferna> command completes successfully the clock do not chenge stays UTC
• 1499[10:45:43] <ferna> :(
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• 1501[10:46:07] <missmbob> which clock? if you do `date` in terminal it says what?
• 1502[10:46:33] <ferna> The kde clock
• 1503[10:46:40] <alwyn> Good morning. On Debian Wheezy using backports, every now and then apt-get update fails with a GPG error: replaced-url
• 1504[10:46:46] <missmbob> ferna: you need to restart X
• 1505[10:46:56] <ferna> Thanks
• 1506[10:47:20] <alwyn> Interestingly enough, the signature is there just fine so I have no idea what's causing it. If I run apt-get clean and apt-get update again it works fine for a while.
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• 1509[10:48:05] <Capprentice> Its listening on all ipv4. Forced with the following statement: 0.0.0.0:3129 tproxy
• 1510[10:48:27] <r3m11> what is a recommanded way to execute a croned job at startup ?
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• 1512[10:48:41] <missmbob> r3m11: use @reboot
• 1513[10:49:07] <missmbob> r3m11: it's a special crontab entry. instead of the * * * * * at the beginning put @reboot
• 1514[10:49:40] <pupil_> ask!
• 1515[10:49:44] <pupil_> !ask
• 1516[10:49:44] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 1518[10:50:57] <r3m11> missmbob: how about replaced-url
• 1519[10:50:58] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1522[10:51:22] <ferna> I started x still UTC
• 1523[10:51:37] <ferna> even though if i do date i get NY time
• 1524[10:52:00] <missmbob> r3m11: it's tagged as "unreproducible"
• 1525[10:52:08] <missmbob> r3m11: meaning it'll work for everyone but that guy
• 1526[10:53:21] <r3m11> alright
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• 1528[10:54:10] <ferna> Ok I founfdthe damn setting
• 1529[10:54:42] <ferna> right click on time "adjust digital clock setting" choose NY thanks Guys
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• 1540[11:00:04] <alwyn> r3m11: I had the same issue waaay back, I don't recall how I fixed it back then... Didn't know there was an outstanding bug :\
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• 1573[11:08:50] <Capprentice> Hi! How to setup transparent squid proxy on a bridge box ?
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• 1624[11:42:59] <FinalX> /w ##linux
• 1625[11:43:02] <FinalX> oops
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• 1630[11:47:15] <Iridos> Capprentice, ask #squid?
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• 1638[11:52:04] <missmbob> Iridos: he's using ubuntu and his real problem is netfilter. he knows he's in the wrong place but refuses to obey /topic
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• 1640[11:52:39] <r3m11> I want to check if specific entries exists in /etc/crontab, so the lines are like '* * * * * user command'
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• 1642[11:52:53] <r3m11> how can I grep such expression ? for the full line
• 1643[11:52:56] <gebruiker> replaced-url
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• 1645[11:53:26] <Iridos> ah, I see
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• 1648[11:56:24] <missmbob> gebruiker: not really. replaced-url
• 1649[11:56:25] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1650[11:57:34] <gebruiker> hmm, i figured :/
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• 1686[12:12:49] <joujou> Hello everyone. Since I upgrade my Debian 8 yesterday I'm having a recurring error with LSB when triyng to install packages, and the ejabberd package I'm trying to use keeps breaking during the install (the service ejabberd start fails). It is I think a Debian related issue as the same warning come when I install any package with apt-get. here the paste: replaced-url
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• 1712[12:22:52] <Capprentice> Iridos: Already asked there :( No one Bothered to look.
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• 1717[12:24:44] <FinalX> Capprentice: quick Google tells me replaced-url
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• 1734[12:35:55] <petn-randall> !tell Capprentice -about ubuntu
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• 1736[12:36:11] <petn-randall> Capprentice: This is still no excuse to get support for Ubuntu in here.
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• 1818[13:24:27] <rly> Does fast user switching work on Debian Jessie with KDE4?
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• 1827[13:27:25] <Iridos> probably
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• 1869[13:49:49] <machin> hi guys i need hlep
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• 1871[13:50:35] <machin> my friend won't trust me that GNU/Linux is the base of freedom, he's actually working on Windows OS that's shitty cum guzzler
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• 1874[13:53:24] <rly> Iridos: probably is not much of an answer, is it?
• 1875[13:53:38] <rly> Iridos: either it does, or it doesn't. If you don't know, you shouldn't say anything.
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• 1884[13:58:51] <ShalokShalom> hi there
• 1885[13:59:02] <Cy-GorWork> hi
• 1886[13:59:04] <ShalokShalom> when are the version numbers are in freeze?
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• 1888[13:59:09] <ShalokShalom> transition?
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• 1890[13:59:34] <babilen> You mean for strech?
• 1891[13:59:38] <ShalokShalom> yep
• 1892[13:59:39] <babilen> +t
• 1893[14:00:10] <ShalokShalom> so already done?
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• 1895[14:00:18] <ShalokShalom> no change anymore at versions?
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• 1897[14:00:32] <babilen> replaced-url
• 1898[14:00:40] <ShalokShalom> thanks
• 1899[14:00:51] <ShalokShalom> doesnt help me further
• 1900[14:01:00] <babilen> Why not?
• 1901[14:01:00] <ShalokShalom> i already found this one
• 1902[14:01:00] <ShalokShalom> replaced-url
• 1903[14:01:10] <themill> ShalokShalom: your question doesn't make much sense -- what are you really trying to find out?
• 1904[14:01:12] <ShalokShalom> +t means yes to transition?
• 1905[14:01:34] <babilen> ShalokShalom: +t meant "strech" → "stretch"
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• 1907[14:01:42] <babilen> Why doesn't that information help and what are you after?
• 1908[14:01:43] <ShalokShalom> i like to know the moment, once there come no new version into stretch
• 1909[14:02:00] <themill> that depends
• 1910[14:02:02] <ShalokShalom> aha
• 1911[14:02:09] <themill> * 5th February 2018: Full freeze
• 1912[14:02:13] <ShalokShalom> yeah
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• 1914[14:02:20] <ShalokShalom> so with full freeze?
• 1915[14:02:21] <babilen> 2017
• 1916[14:02:22] <ShalokShalom> kk
• 1917[14:02:24] <ShalokShalom> thanks
• 1918[14:02:31] <themill> depends...
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• 1921[14:06:17] <ShalokShalom> is there way to make this clear?
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• 1923[14:07:18] <themill> Be specific
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• 1942[14:15:52] <thefreakjoe> Looking for skilled webdesigner , plz for a clan and comunity
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• 1944[14:16:05] <thefreakjoe> pm +info
• 1945[14:16:39] <ShalokShalom> themill: i want to know, when which app goes into version freeze
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• 1952[14:20:10] <themill> ShalokShalom: well that general information is in the email that babilen linked to
• 1953[14:20:46] <ShalokShalom> no
• 1954[14:20:52] <ShalokShalom> i mean: systemd: date
• 1955[14:20:54] <ShalokShalom> and so on
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• 1957[14:21:32] <themill> that is in that email.
• 1958[14:21:45] <ShalokShalom> replaced-url
• 1959[14:21:56] <ShalokShalom> What means "general freeze of transitions"
• 1960[14:22:04] <themill> !transition
• 1961[14:22:04] <dpkg> A transition occurs when changes in a package require alterations to several other packages which depend on it. To do this, many packages using the package are updated, either being recompiled or updated to a new version; packages blocking a transition might be removed from <testing> so it can complete. Transitions can become very large and complex, involving tens or even hundreds of packages. replaced-url
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• 1964[14:22:10] <ShalokShalom> what means "no re-entry, normal migrations"
• 1965[14:22:16] <ShalokShalom> what means Full freeze?
• 1966[14:22:24] <ShalokShalom> oh thanks
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• 1970[14:28:29] <Iridos> rly, to be fair, you could have taken your own advice and not just said anything
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• 1976[14:31:25] <thefreakjoe> Anyone know a good webdisgner ?
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• 1980[14:36:09] <Iridos> Mark Zuckerberg, I heard
• 1981[14:37:20] <han-solo> nyet
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• 1985[14:39:02] <jonah> Hi does anyone here use NUT for ups monitoring? Any help appreciated with this issue: replaced-url
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• 2007[14:48:02] <mentor> Is there a dpkg helper to determine if a file is dpkg working file related to another conffile (i.e., *.dpkg-tmp, *.dpkg-dist, etc.)?
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• 2018[14:51:20] <themill> mentor: there's nothing in dpkg for that, but these are only added on to the end of an existing filename
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• 2020[14:52:29] <mentor> themill, I'm just trying to avoid putting Debian policy in my script
• 2021[14:53:08] <themill> policy doesn't talk about these files either
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• 2098[15:34:22] <__boreeas__> Hi, how can I check what linux kernels are supported by a given debian distro? For instance, I tried to install the linux-image-4.8.0-1-amd64-unsigned_4.8.7-1_amd64.deb on a deb7 installation, which failed because the initramfs-tools version isn't high enough
• 2099[15:35:42] <Ke> you can always compile one by yourself, it's not too hard
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• 2103[15:36:42] <Ke> install kernel-package, build-essential and bc and perhaps something else
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• 2105[15:37:09] <petn-randall> __boreeas__: That is probably because you are mixing releases. Don't do that, it'll break your system.
• 2106[15:37:12] <petn-randall> !frankendebian
• 2107[15:37:13] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
• 2108[15:37:29] <__boreeas__> compiling from hand is not an option here, I'm afraid
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• 2110[15:37:47] <Ke> check jessi-backports
• 2111[15:37:49] <petn-randall> __boreeas__: Either take the kernel provided in stable, or if that doesn't work, you can always use the one available in backports.
• 2112[15:37:52] <petn-randall> ,kernels
• 2113[15:37:53] <Ke> jessie-backports
• 2114[15:37:54] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.8.0-1-686-pae (4.8.7-1); stretch: 4.8.0-1-686-pae (4.8.5-1); jessie-backports: 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.7.8-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.82-1)
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• 2116[15:38:24] <petn-randall> __boreeas__: in jessie, 3.16 is in main, and 4.7 is in backports.
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• 2118[15:39:12] <__boreeas__> petn-randall: Alright, that's already helpful. Thanks
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• 2121[15:40:03] <petn-randall> __boreeas__: Just make sure to *not* a) download the deb from packages.debian.org and try to install it, and b) add stretch, testing or sid to your sources.list.
• 2122[15:40:18] <petn-randall> __boreeas__: Adding jessie-backports is fine, and will be fully supported in here.
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• 2128[15:41:34] <__boreeas__> petn-randall: I'm not too worried about support, I just need to test a kernel module on different kernel version. The vm gets thrown away later
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• 2130[15:42:02] <otyugh_II> aherm
• 2131[15:42:04] <petn-randall> __boreeas__: Ah, ok. What are you using the VM for?
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• 2133[15:42:13] <__boreeas__> But just testing against stable and backports is fine I guess
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• 2136[15:42:27] <otyugh_II> Hey, I try to make a IRC server. I got the following error when trying to connect : "You need to install identd to use this serve"
• 2137[15:43:01] <__boreeas__> petn-randall: Installing the specified kernel version, loading the module, running some test suites, then throwing it away
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• 2139[15:43:18] <otyugh_II> identd seem to be in "ident2" or alternatively "oident", both don't seem to be recoginzed out of the box. Is there a way around ? I don't even need identd.
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• 2141[15:43:42] <otyugh_II> this is all from untouched config files from installation
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• 2143[15:44:30] <petn-randall> Hi otyugh_II, which IRC server are you running? What commands are you running? What is the complete output?
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• 2149[15:44:58] <otyugh_II> petn-randall > ircd-hybrid, from apt-get install.
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• 2153[15:45:40] <otyugh_II> the complete output while trying to connect is what I already said ~
• 2154[15:46:59] <otyugh_II> (in /var/log/irc-hybrid I find nothing really significant)
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• 2159[15:48:25] <petn-randall> otyugh_II: I'd expect it to be in /var/log/daemon.log.
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• 2177[15:54:35] <otyugh_II> petn-randall: well I only find the "starting daemon oident" "starting ircd-hybrid" there, nothing more :(
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• 2180[15:55:35] <petn-randall> otyugh_II: Have you checked the documentation on how to set it up?
• 2181[15:55:47] <otyugh_II> yes, there was nothing special to it
• 2182[15:55:48] <petn-randall> otyugh_II: it's in /usr/share/doc/irc-hybrid/
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• 2185[15:56:37] <otyugh_II> can still look again I guess. But I do had a irc-hybrid server running and it was very simple to set up, I don't get what went wrong.
• 2186[15:56:48] <DoctorD90> hi! any tips about how boot a live trougth network? I have to start a live on master pc, with slave-live stored on an external disk, then on a slave-pc, boot trugth netwrk the slave-live...any tip?
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• 2189[15:57:59] <petn-randall> DoctorD90: You probably want to set up PXE boot? That's a bit of work, though.
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• 2191[15:58:25] <DoctorD90> petn-randall, probably :P i think it is....
• 2192[15:58:45] <DoctorD90> petn-randall, but a "config" as start wuld be very good :P
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• 2197[16:00:55] <petn-randall> DoctorD90: You have to understand the concept of how PXE boot works, then pick the right tools, then configure it. Nobody will have a config file finished for you, because every setup works different.
• 2198[16:02:12] <DoctorD90> petn-randall, it isnt enough creat a grub entry, setup the master machine(I think all machine master will be the same), and then boot the grub? on slave pc?
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• 2211[16:06:47] <petn-randall> DoctorD90: Why don't you just put the live CD into the 'slave' PC, if you have to set it up, anyway?
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• 2213[16:07:05] <petn-randall> DoctorD90: What is your high-level goal you want to achieve?
• 2214[16:08:14] <DoctorD90> petn-randall, I have to use multiple machine at an installation party, to leave partecipants to test linux in livemde....but I can burn 10-20 dvd to just run live mode on the pc lab :P
• 2215[16:08:28] <DoctorD90> so i was thinking to reach the goal using network install
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• 2217[16:09:30] <DoctorD90> the installation i will do them using netinstall and pointing to a local mirror ;) but to do this, I have to just start an apache, put mirror on /var/replaced-url
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• 2237[16:22:38] <DoctorD90> petn-randall, reading from replaced-url
• 2238[16:22:53] <DoctorD90> i have read: Netboot via another Debian system
• 2239[16:23:03] <DoctorD90> There is also the possibility to boot from another computer without needing to use CD/floppy media at all
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• 2241[16:23:44] <petn-randall> DoctorD90: Right, continue reading then.
• 2242[16:23:56] <DoctorD90> Is exactly my thougth: starting from bios and using PXEboot in bios settings?
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• 2244[16:24:12] <DoctorD90> (that is not my way of think)
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• 2255[16:29:19] <sediment> hi anyone know a place to get access to a machine that can do ssh-tunneling?
• 2256[16:29:47] <sediment> would be willing to share my connection back or offer a service or something
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• 2261[16:32:26] <petn-randall> sediment: Just get a vserver?
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• 2264[16:32:52] <jelly> sediment: get 12 months of free use of the tiniest vps at AWS?
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• 2266[16:33:12] <RikuKawai> so I asked this a few days ago, but got no response. why does SSH sometimes start asking me for my public key password again after I do ssh-add?
• 2267[16:33:19] <jelly> sediment: you do need to provide valid billing info
• 2268[16:34:01] <RikuKawai> jelly: AWS will accept a prepaid credit card as valid billing info
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• 2273[16:34:50] <sediment> jelly, i don't get your point
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• 2276[16:35:02] <wewlad> hello debs
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• 2279[16:35:42] <wewlad> is there a way to call sed/grep/other_gnu_coreutils right from a text editor (like vi/nano)?
• 2280[16:35:51] <sediment> i used to log into my friend's machine in europe. it allowed my to do vpn from china
• 2281[16:36:34] <sediment> wewlad ... read up on vi or vim. it's doable i think.
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• 2284[16:37:01] <jelly> sediment: the point is to have a somewhat free ssh endpoint of your own
• 2285[16:37:02] <n4dir> searching the web for "free ssh tunneling" offers quite a few results.
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• 2287[16:37:15] <sediment> jelly, i'd do it :)
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• 2289[16:37:39] <sediment> jelly, my friend had setup squid to do this. do you know if that's really necessary?
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• 2291[16:37:56] <n4dir> wewlad: as far grep is concerned / should do it. as far sed is concerned :s should do it. in vim.
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• 2293[16:39:02] <sediment> wewlad, any idea how to add the octothorpe (#) to all lines on the services file in one shot? (using vi or vim?)
• 2294[16:39:37] <sediment> jelly, you mean to setup an account for you? i'd do it ~
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• 2297[16:40:23] <tdn> I noticed that all my disks (SATA) on my debian 7 system all have write cache disabled (hdparm -W returns 0). Is there any reason NOT to enable write cache on the disks? It seems to improve write performance a lot. Will I risk data loss if I do this? Or other bad things?
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• 2302[16:41:20] <jelly> sediment: I mean go to AWS pages, set up your free 12 months, then fire up the smallest vps they have.
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• 2306[16:42:15] <Cypouz> sediment, in vim: Ctr+v, G, I, #, Esc
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• 2308[16:43:05] <n4dir> sediment: that: %s/^/#/g
• 2309[16:43:06] <n4dir> ?
• 2310[16:43:14] <Hello71> :%s/^/#/
• 2311[16:43:22] <Hello71> need to enter command mode, and don't need global
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• 2321[16:46:08] <sediment> Hello71 thanks!
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• 2337[16:51:20] <wewlad> agreed with Hello71
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• 2340[16:52:38] * wewlad just read replaced-url
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• 2348[16:54:36] <Iridos> sediment, it's trivial to use any host you can ssh into as a proxy… ssh/sshd themselves can do that read "man ssh" on the -D option.
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• 2352[16:56:13] <sediment> Tridos, ok maybe it's trivial for you. i'm learning
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• 2359[16:58:28] <rocketbomb> hi
• 2360[16:58:53] <rocketbomb> i notice cant use shortcut show desktop on debian 8
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• 2373[17:07:40] <Dreaman> omg debian :)
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• 2375[17:08:15] <lukkan99> do dabain 8 need nxbit?
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• 2380[17:09:20] <lukkan99> as i have a ibm thinkpad t42 that has a old pentium m and plan to run linux on it
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• 2382[17:09:52] <Dreaman> just run laptop or pc
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• 2407[17:19:54] <sediment> shit AWS Free Tier is not free. Credit card info needed
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• 2410[17:20:44] <jelly> lukkan99: if the 686-pae kernel doesn't work, the 486 kernel ought to
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• 2412[17:21:27] <jelly> sediment: that's what "billing info" means, yes, but they won't charge you anything for 12 months if you only fire up one smallest vps
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• 2415[17:22:20] <Danny^^P> Hi! I'm updating to linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64. I get the error: run-parts: /etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub exited with return code 255 How can I solve it?
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• 2442[17:40:38] <CDuv> Hello.
• 2443[17:40:38] <CDuv> My Debian 8 server is connected to a OpenVPN server: I can ping/access the REMOTE_LAN network
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• 2446[17:41:14] <CDuv> I want machines that resides on the same LAN of my Debian server to "use" this Debian server to access REMOTE_LAN network
• 2447[17:41:37] <CDuv> I have enabled /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward but I think I am missing something...
• 2448[17:42:23] <colo-work> so... have those machines have that server as their gateway for that (target) network?
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• 2450[17:42:32] <AlexLikeRock> help
• 2451[17:42:47] <AlexLikeRock> i try aptitude remove gnome-*
• 2452[17:43:15] <AlexLikeRock> they take a look to resolve conflict of dependencies
• 2453[17:43:21] <AlexLikeRock> they have alot time
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• 2455[17:43:26] <AlexLikeRock> how to avoid ?
• 2456[17:44:04] <CDuv> colo-work: done
• 2457[17:44:12] <mtn> AlexLikeRock: what desktop are you using now?
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• 2465[17:45:45] <AlexLikeRock> mtn TTY
• 2466[17:45:47] <AlexLikeRock> tanks
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• 2472[17:49:48] <AlexLikeRock> every 20 conflict , they ask to me : " you whants a conscientiously? "
• 2473[17:50:01] <mtn> AlexLikeRock: what desktop are you using now?
• 2474[17:50:07] <AlexLikeRock> no one
• 2475[17:50:09] <mtn> AlexLikeRock: what instead of gnome?
• 2476[17:50:14] <AlexLikeRock> im at TTY
• 2477[17:50:22] <AlexLikeRock> no have
• 2478[17:50:32] <AlexLikeRock> only gnome
• 2479[17:50:37] <AlexLikeRock> i want to remove
• 2480[17:50:37] <mtn> AlexLikeRock: you are only going to use the command line? no desktop or window manager?
• 2481[17:50:47] <AlexLikeRock> yes
• 2482[17:50:56] <mtn> AlexLikeRock: why bother removing it?
• 2483[17:51:04] <AlexLikeRock> no matter
• 2484[17:51:11] <AlexLikeRock> you want a help ?¿
• 2485[17:51:18] <mtn> no thanks
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• 2487[17:51:30] <AlexLikeRock> ok
• 2488[17:51:36] <AlexLikeRock> any one ?
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• 2498[17:54:28] <RoyK> hm ... seems with regular static ip setup, my debian machines swallup their gateway settings on ipv6
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• 2502[17:55:13] <RoyK> that is, ignore it totally
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• 2514[18:01:04] <AlexLikeRock> delp
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• 2516[18:01:08] <AlexLikeRock> help
• 2517[18:01:16] <AlexLikeRock> every 20 conflict , they ask to me : " you whants a conscientiously? "
• 2518[18:01:22] <AlexLikeRock> how to avoid ?
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• 2520[18:02:32] <petn-randall> !ask
• 2521[18:02:33] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 2522[18:02:35] <petn-randall> AlexLikeRock: ^^^
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• 2524[18:03:30] <AlexLikeRock> hi petn-randall
• 2525[18:03:58] <AlexLikeRock> i try aptitude remove gnome-*
• 2526[18:03:58] <AlexLikeRock> <AlexLikeRock> they take a look to resolve conflict of dependencies they have alot time
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• 2529[18:05:50] <petn-randall> AlexLikeRock: Well, it matches a few hundred packages, that probably takes time.
• 2530[18:05:56] <petn-randall> AlexLikeRock: What do you want to achieve?
• 2531[18:05:59] <AlexLikeRock> nop
• 2532[18:06:05] <AlexLikeRock> tousend
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• 2534[18:06:24] <AlexLikeRock> remove gnome
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• 2536[18:07:03] <AlexLikeRock> Thousands ***
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• 2544[18:09:28] <petn-randall> AlexLikeRock: How about just 'apt remove gnome'?
• 2545[18:09:55] <AlexLikeRock> nop
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• 2550[18:10:56] <AlexLikeRock> At the moment I did that, that's why I'm asking for help
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• 2554[18:11:24] <zophyx> what is the best low cost vps provider
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• 2556[18:12:39] <zophyx> google search is bought and paid for, there is no real search provided, it's all pay for raking
• 2557[18:12:44] <zophyx> ranking
• 2558[18:13:08] <zophyx> you can't possibly find real web search results
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• 2571[18:17:39] <ksk> zophyx: thats not really a debian related question, is it?
• 2572[18:17:58] <superKiller> hello , i need help , i have a comfast usb wifi adapter attached to my laptop running live debian 64bit , the laptop doesnt detect my wifi usb adapter , how do i install the drivers in this case ?
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• 2575[18:18:59] <superKiller> anybodty
• 2576[18:19:03] <superKiller> *anybody ?
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• 2578[18:19:27] <superKiller> also , the onboard wifi card on my laptop is not supported by my laptop
• 2579[18:19:36] <superKiller> *supported by linux
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• 2581[18:20:16] <mtn> superKiller: install the package called inxi and then type "inxi -Nnxx" (without the " marks) in a terminal and paste the results to dpaste.com and give us the link.
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• 2583[18:20:52] <towo`> i would bet my ass, there is only missing firmware
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• 2586[18:21:17] <superKiller> mtn: my laptop cannot connect to the internet since my usb adapter is not detected , and the onboard wifi adapter is not supported. so i cant connect to the internet
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• 2589[18:21:28] <mtn> superKiller: no lan?
• 2590[18:21:45] <teraflops> superKiller: you have internet since youre here
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• 2592[18:21:55] <superKiller> teraflops: im on from a diff machine :/
• 2593[18:22:00] <SuperTramp83> lspci -nnk | grep Network
• 2594[18:22:04] <teraflops> superKiller: yeah I supposed that
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• 2597[18:23:01] <teraflops> superKiller: redirect to a file and use a usb flash drive?
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• 2604[18:25:33] <superKiller> teraflops: lspci -nnk | grep Network gives --> Broadcom corp BCM43142 802.11b/g/n [14e4:4365](rev 01)
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• 2611[18:26:39] <teraflops> superKiller: replaced-url
• 2612[18:26:47] <SuperTramp83> superKiller: that wifi adaper will work if you install the proprietary firmware for it
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• 2618[18:27:53] <SuperTramp83> which is your choice, very bad for your freeeeedom though :)
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• 2627[18:29:30] <superKiller> im so stupid , ah! have my android phone with me . usb tethering ftw !
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• 2629[18:30:46] <zophyx> with verizon you get wifi tethering at no charge
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• 2651[18:40:55] <RikuKawai> zophyx: with a custom rom you get tethering to anything on any network for free
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• 2653[18:41:14] <RikuKawai> I've used my phone as a wifi adapter before
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• 2703[19:01:00] <unborn> how to find out what cpu I am running in irc in debian?
• 2704[19:01:10] <unborn> (hi guys)
• 2705[19:01:22] <sebd> Hello, my sid is broken after dist-upgrade then reboot today, lightdm does not start and I don't know where to look
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• 2707[19:01:59] <sebd> unborn: cat /proc/cpuinfo
• 2708[19:02:12] <n4dir1> sebd you won't like the answer, but if you don't know that, you probably shouldn't run debian-sid (perhaps in VirtualBox, qemu, or on a test machine)
• 2709[19:02:29] <n4dir1> oh, and you want to ask in #debian-next server is irc.oftc.net
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• 2711[19:03:05] <unborn> sebd: i assume its in terminal - thank you :)
• 2712[19:03:07] <n4dir1> the first thing i usually do in such cases is to stop the display-manager and try to start X from the tty, via startx, duh
• 2713[19:03:30] <sebd> n4dir1: I agree, my question was wrong. I do know where to look. I just was wondering if there was a know bug on sid today specififcally.
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• 2715[19:03:51] <sebd> oh yes sorry, wrong chan
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• 2719[19:04:00] <sebd> bye
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• 2721[19:04:13] <n4dir1> sedb i think i read something bout problems in sid with X today. but am not sure.
• 2722[19:04:23] <n4dir1> good luck.
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• 2732[19:09:03] <unborn> yay my cpu is rubbish :D in end of the day it works well with debian
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• 2754[19:17:31] <Urchin> hi Chloe
• 2755[19:17:38] <Chloe> hi
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• 2757[19:18:07] <Urchin> I'm currently reinstalling Debian on my laptop
• 2758[19:18:20] <Urchin> I busted the old install
• 2759[19:18:47] <Urchin> anyway, for future reference, is there a way to get a variant keyboard to use during the install?
• 2760[19:19:06] <babilen> variant keyboard?
• 2761[19:19:24] <Urchin> colemak, dvorak, that sort of thing
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• 2763[19:20:30] <babilen> Never tried .. can't really tell you, but there is a keyboard layout selection dialog
• 2764[19:21:03] <Urchin> yes, and it only goes as far as top level national keyboards from what I can tell
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• 2771[19:23:04] <babilen> Ah, that's a shame
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• 2774[19:23:36] <babilen> You could file a bug or ask the people in #debian-boot about it (oftc)
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• 2778[19:24:48] <Urchin> ok, thanks for the tip
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• 2780[19:25:55] <babilen> Good luck!
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• 2814[19:46:12] <winsen> hi all
• 2815[19:46:28] <lukkan99> honk honk
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• 2818[19:46:48] <winsen> where is the guy who tried to help yesterday night?
• 2819[19:47:02] <spacebug^> hu *waves*
• 2820[19:47:05] <spacebug^> hi
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• 2826[19:49:26] <n4dir1> trying to tweak xterm, fontsize, foreground, background. It doesn't seem to work, i tried .XDefaults, .XRessources and what not: replaced-url
• 2827[19:49:55] <n4dir1> do i need to kinda load that file, say via .bashrc or .profile ?
• 2828[19:50:00] <mernilio> Hi all, im glad you welcome me. i seem to be banned from at least gentoo.
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• 2831[19:51:52] <mernilio> Sad thing about Ian.. a lot of high performance men have mental issues. And i mention it in a good way!
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• 2834[19:52:47] <babilen> mernilio: Please be advised that we had issues in the past and that #debian is a technical support channel. If you'd like to talk about yourself, your life and your issues please keep it in #debian-offtopic
• 2835[19:53:15] <mernilio> babilen: thanks for that!
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• 2843[19:54:30] <thefreakjoe> hi
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• 2846[19:54:59] <thefreakjoe> How is it guys ? please how do i install roccat-tools under debian ? will it be possible in the future ?
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• 2851[19:57:59] <babilen> judd: v roccat-tools
• 2852[19:58:00] <judd> No package named 'roccat-tools' was found in amd64.
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• 2855[19:58:12] <babilen> thefreakjoe: Doesn't appear to be packaged (at least under that name)
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• 2857[19:58:22] <thefreakjoe> dunno the name either :S
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• 2859[19:58:45] <babilen> dpkg: tell thefreakjoe -about stow usage
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• 2861[19:59:01] <babilen> You might be able to install it from source to /usr/local and manage that installation with stow.
• 2862[19:59:13] <thefreakjoe> what is stow ?
• 2863[19:59:22] <mernilio> thefreakjoe: your futeure is unknown based on your lil' Jedi knowldedge! :-)
• 2864[19:59:36] <babilen> A tool that creates symlinks and allows you to keep manual installations from source in /usr/local separate
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• 2866[20:00:05] <babilen> mernilio: Please keep it on topic in here
• 2867[20:00:22] <mernilio> sure, sorry babilen!
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• 2869[20:01:01] <thefreakjoe> oh ok
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• 2872[20:02:15] <thefreakjoe> PLZ, replaced-url
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• 2874[20:02:41] <babilen> thefreakjoe: I *really* wouldn't install to /usr
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• 2876[20:02:58] <babilen> And you also have to install the dependencies
• 2877[20:03:13] <thefreakjoe> help me plz babilen
• 2878[20:03:21] <thefreakjoe> mind i pm you?
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• 2883[20:04:35] <thefreakjoe> found this, replaced-url
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• 2897[20:09:59] <thefreakjoe> what is the path to add server.list ?
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• 2901[20:11:50] <n4dir1> thefreakjoe: you shouldn't just add repos you find online. I didn't look that close at the site, but it doesn't look as if that would work well
• 2902[20:12:18] <thefreakjoe> eish tks n4dir
• 2903[20:12:19] <thefreakjoe> :)
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• 2905[20:12:32] <thefreakjoe> and this one
• 2906[20:12:35] <thefreakjoe> replaced-url
• 2907[20:12:39] <thefreakjoe> you know how to help me ?
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• 2914[20:14:25] <n4dir1> i am not the right person. Though glancing over your pastebin it looks like you would need to install "lua" (apt-get install lua, hoping the version is right)
• 2915[20:14:35] <winsen> should I need to purge the grub2 to reeinstall it?
• 2916[20:14:48] <n4dir1> usually after unpacking the source you will find a README or a INSTALL file, look there for dependencies
• 2917[20:14:51] <winsen> is it recomanded I'd say
• 2918[20:15:27] <winsen> n4dir1: are you with me?
• 2919[20:15:29] <n4dir1> thefreakjoe: and like babilen said: make sure to install it to /usr/local
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• 2921[20:15:52] <n4dir1> winsen: i don't think so, i am speaking to thefreakjoe (well: i hope :-) )
• 2922[20:16:06] <winsen> n4dir1: sorry, I thought you were with me.
• 2923[20:16:13] <n4dir1> winsen: why you wanna reinstall grub?
• 2924[20:16:14] <thefreakjoe> sure
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• 2926[20:17:32] <n4dir1> thefreakjoe: keep in mind i am just a beginner. I think adding a prefix to ./configure will set the path to /usr/local
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• 2931[20:19:10] <n4dir1> but don't take my word for it, double and triple check ( i'd go for: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --sysconfdir=/usr/local/etc --infodir=/usr/local/info --mandir=/usr/local/man )
• 2932[20:19:11] <thefreakjoe> i dont see LuaJIT 2.0.4 -- Copyright (C) 2005-2015 Mike Pall. replaced-url
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• 2934[20:19:17] <thefreakjoe> higher them 2.0.4
• 2935[20:19:21] <winsen> n4dir1: I reeisnatlled windows on my machine after that I reeinstalled the grub2, unfortunetelly I did some mistakes, I forgot which is the /partition and boot partition. now I can not change grub boor order and it doesn't work correctely. that's why ai am asling if it is recommanded tu purge berfore reeinstall the grub2.
• 2936[20:19:38] <thefreakjoe> well, the software is asking me a higher version
• 2937[20:19:55] <thefreakjoe> but luajit 2.0.4 is the max
• 2938[20:19:56] <winsen> *asking
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• 2940[20:20:21] <Ryuken> How come I get can get debian VPS's at 128mb memory but when I try to artifically limit it 128mb on my test VM it won't install debian and kills the VM mid-install.
• 2941[20:21:12] <qman__> the install media runs a live environment and may require more RAM than the installed system
• 2942[20:21:52] <winsen> n4dir1: any clue?
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• 2944[20:22:19] <n4dir1> winsen: i think a simple grub-install /path/ should do it. As far purging and reinstalling is concerned. Not sure, i would simply try
• 2945[20:22:31] <mtn> winsen: just reinstall grub correctly
• 2946[20:23:12] <winsen> mtn: no need to purge in case of my machine?
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• 2948[20:23:25] <mtn> winsen: nope, it will overwrite, so no need to purge
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• 2951[20:24:34] <babilen> thefreakjoe: It is a bit late now, but just general advive: 1. It is not worth it to destroy your system for some shitty gaming device tools 2. Always install software to /usr/local 3. I recommend to manage those installations with stow (to keep them separate) 4. If the software depends on newer versions than what is available in stable or backports you'll have a hard time installing it
• 2952[20:24:59] <babilen> dpkg: stow usage
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• 2954[20:24:59] <dpkg> A quick intro to <stow>: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/stow/program-version && make && make install; cd /usr/local/stow/ ; stow program-version. Use stow -D to remove. See also <usrlocal>.
• 2955[20:25:23] <babilen> Adjust the prefix as necessary (cf. your paste)
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• 2958[20:25:55] <n4dir1> thanks babilen, sweaty hands here, i should have said nothing ...
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• 2961[20:26:11] <babilen> n4dir1: nah, it's fine ..
• 2962[20:26:21] <n4dir1> :-)
• 2963[20:26:33] <babilen> I just don't see the point of doing this for some "gaming device" tools, but then I am no gamer :)
• 2964[20:26:58] * babilen values a non-broken system higher than "frag rates" or whatever metric is en-vogue these days
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• 2966[20:27:17] <winsen> n4dir1, mtn: do you think it's ok? replaced-url
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• 2970[20:28:07] <mtn> winsen: you are doing efi boot?
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• 2972[20:29:00] <winsen> mtn: bios
• 2973[20:29:08] <n4dir1> yeah, non-broken system is a high value.
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• 2976[20:29:39] <mtn> winsen: then grub should be installed to /dev/sda or whatever, not a partition
• 2977[20:29:56] <mtn> winsen: it should be the disk that boots first
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• 2981[20:30:05] <winsen> mtn: is it possible to have both efi and bios?
• 2982[20:30:18] <mtn> winsen: not at the same time, as far as I know
• 2983[20:31:47] <winsen> mtn: Ok. I thought I read hat somewhere tha's possible.
• 2984[20:31:54] <winsen> *that
• 2985[20:32:20] <winsen> mtn: why do you recommand sda instead of my sepatarte boot partition?
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• 2987[20:33:17] <winsen> mtn: are you still there?
• 2988[20:33:21] <mtn> winsen: because if you are using legacy boot, it won't work in a partition.
• 2989[20:33:29] <towo`> because grub should be installed in the mbr
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• 2997[20:36:02] <winsen> mtn: you mean in legacy boot, if I install boot on separate partition this won't work at all?
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• 3002[20:37:26] <winsen> mtn: so the boot partition that I've created is useless.
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• 3004[20:37:49] <towo`> /boot != grub
• 3005[20:38:07] <towo`> you can use separate /boot partition
• 3006[20:38:22] <towo`> this has nothing to do where grub is to be installed
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• 3009[20:38:46] <winsen> towo: you mean '/ '+ 'boot' = grub?
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• 3011[20:39:04] <towo`> no
• 3012[20:39:32] <winsen> towo: sorry, I am confused you're right.
• 3013[20:39:47] <winsen> completely forgot
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• 3015[20:40:31] <winsen> towo: did you my question above?
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• 3019[20:40:41] <winsen> *did you read
• 3020[20:40:52] <towo`> winsen, which of your many questions?
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• 3023[20:42:15] <winsen> mtn: our friend seems to be busy, he said :<mtn> winsen: "because if you are using legacy boot, it won't work in a partition." my question: mtn: you mean in legacy boot, if I install boot on separate partition this won't work at all?
• 3024[20:42:43] <towo`> what is unclear?
• 3025[20:42:46] <winsen> towo: our friend seems to be busy, he said :<mtn> winsen: "because if you are using legacy boot, it won't work in a partition." my question: mtn: you mean in legacy boot, if I install boot on separate partition this won't work at all?
• 3026[20:42:51] <mtn> winsen: already answered that. put it in mbr, not a partition. one is right, one is wrong
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• 3028[20:43:11] <towo`> you can have a separate boot-partition and you have to install grub to mbr, so /dev/sdX is right
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• 3031[20:43:50] <winsen> mtn: sorry, I wanted to be sure. thanks
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• 3035[20:45:17] <winsen> towo: I thought mbr is always on sda right? and we said /boot =grub?
• 3036[20:45:32] <towo`> no, every disc has a mbr
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• 3041[20:47:04] <winsen> towo: Ok, so no need to say install grub to mbr?
• 3042[20:47:18] <towo`> i don't get your problem
• 3043[20:47:25] <towo`> you should learn some basics
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• 3049[20:48:26] <mtn> indeed
• 3050[20:48:35] <winsen> towo: you said I can In stall separate boot partition right? take a look on this: replaced-url
• 3051[20:49:10] <towo`> you do all completely wrong
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• 3054[20:49:25] <towo`> again, install grub to mbr of your boot-frive
• 3055[20:49:32] <towo`> *drive
• 3056[20:49:49] <towo`> mount all needed partitions to the right place in your chroot
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• 3059[20:50:28] <towo`> every search-engine will provide you a tutorial, how to reinstall grub with chroot
• 3060[20:51:58] <winsen> towo: I don't thin so. I did exactelly the same mistake like you. because sda3 is the primary partition.
• 3061[20:52:25] <winsen> towo: does that make sense for you?
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• 3063[20:53:41] <towo`> i didn't make a mistake
• 3064[20:53:49] <towo`> ind it's your pc, not mine
• 3065[20:54:12] <mtn> winsen: replaced-url
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• 3072[20:59:14] <winsen> mtn: tell me if Install the grub on sda8 which's a separate boot partition, this won't work right?
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• 3075[20:59:49] <mtn> winsen: already told you 3 times. what part of it don't you understand?
• 3076[20:59:54] <winsen> mtn: thank you for the link but it doesn't help.
• 3077[21:00:20] <mtn> winsen: it will if you actually read it. it explains exactly what to do to fix your problem
• 3078[21:00:21] <yulax> winsen: you aren't meant to install grub on a partition, but on a disk. it then searches for kernels and the like.
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• 3080[21:00:46] <yulax> e.g. grub install /dev/sda rather than grub-install /dev/sda8
• 3081[21:01:47] <winsen> mtn: when I told you sda8 is separate boot partition that I've created. I wanted to install the grub on it. I followed up until now. it won't work because my machine has legacy boot.
• 3082[21:01:49] <yulax> this has gone on long enough. are you still wanting to do this only to get windows to be the 1st menu itemL
• 3083[21:01:51] <yulax> ???
• 3084[21:01:58] <yulax> it seems excessive
• 3085[21:02:13] <yulax> when you can just press the arrow keys to select menu item
• 3086[21:02:23] <winsen> yulax: yes
• 3087[21:02:50] <yulax> then just live with it, or use windows boot manager as default if you can't read the docs!
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• 3089[21:03:02] <winsen> yulax: sda rather than sda8, why?
• 3090[21:03:22] <yulax> winsen: because grub installs to the MBR of the disk
• 3091[21:03:27] <mtn> winsen: how many times do you need that question answered? please stop now.
• 3092[21:04:00] <yulax> when you run grub-install <disk> it installs to the MBR, then searches for kernels and the like
• 3093[21:04:05] <winsen> yulax: to the mbr of the disk not the mbr of the partition?
• 3094[21:04:06] <yulax> end of story.
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• 3096[21:04:14] <yulax> winsen: there is no mbr of a partition
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• 3098[21:04:23] <yulax> mbr is the master boot record.
• 3099[21:04:29] <yulax> there can be only *one*
• 3100[21:04:57] <towo`> it's like highlander ;)
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• 3102[21:05:11] <yulax> that film is so terrible
• 3103[21:05:19] <mtn> more like a bad dream
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• 3107[21:05:39] <yulax> but it did have actual scottish people unlike fugging braveheart
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• 3112[21:11:19] <winsen> yulax. mtn: sorry , I missundertood. thanks
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• 3120[21:15:15] <winsen> we'll see. brb
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• 3137[21:28:43] <RikuKawai> why is rsync performing so slowly in my VM? or is that a virtualbox question...
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• 3141[21:29:35] <RikuKawai> it peaked at like, 4MB/s, copying this 1.4GB file from one virtual disk to another, both on the same physical SSD
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• 3143[21:30:08] <RikuKawai> shouldn't it be pushing at least 200MB/s?
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• 3146[21:30:14] <Hello71> lol, did you set it to IDE
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• 3149[21:30:23] <RikuKawai> no it's SATA afaik
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• 3151[21:30:33] <RikuKawai> lemme check
• 3152[21:30:39] <Hello71> not really much better
• 3153[21:30:50] <Hello71> virtualbox doesn't support virtio-blk
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• 3158[21:32:49] <RikuKawai> it shouldn't be that slow though, should it?
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• 3160[21:33:16] <RikuKawai> that's like, the speed of a cheap SD card
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• 3164[21:34:20] <babilen> Ah, so virtualbox is slow in other regards also
• 3165[21:34:34] <babilen> You have to wonder why you'd use it at all
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• 3169[21:36:15] <RikuKawai> well what else am I supposed to use
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• 3171[21:36:22] <RikuKawai> vmware isn't free
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• 3258[22:26:16] <mmarino> i know you all are probably tired of this question by now, but is there anything i can do to get X back working on unstable or do I just wait it out?
• 3259[22:28:05] <mmarino> sorry, wrong channel ;X
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• 3261[22:28:16] <teraflops> mmarino: ask in #debian-next at irc.ofct.net
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• 3272[22:32:29] <teraflops> RikuKawai: tried qemu/KVM?
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• 3276[22:33:21] <RikuKawai> teraflops: my host is running Windows 10 Pro 14393 x64
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• 3278[22:33:41] <teraflops> :S
• 3279[22:34:03] <RikuKawai> I wouldn't be running a Debian VM if my host was Debian
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• 3286[22:36:11] <teraflops> RikuKawai: I wasn't aware of that, not sure if you mentioned it
• 3287[22:36:21] <RikuKawai> yeah I didn't mention that
• 3288[22:36:34] <RikuKawai> it still seems like abnormally poor IO performance
• 3289[22:36:46] <teraflops> RikuKawai: ^
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• 3292[22:37:19] <teraflops> RikuKawai: windows has its own hypervisor too
• 3293[22:37:50] <RikuKawai> does hyper-v work with linux guests now? I thought it didn't
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• 3298[22:39:01] <teraflops> RikuKawai: yes it does, but youre talking about windows, even your vbox issue is windows related
• 3299[22:39:04] <missmbob> RikuKawai: yes it supported linux and freebsd
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• 3301[22:39:26] <teraflops> RikuKawai: and this channel is for debian support, just saying
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• 3304[22:40:38] <RikuKawai> originally it was a debian question, but apparently the issue is windows related
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• 3306[22:41:40] <teraflops> which one?
• 3307[22:42:17] <RikuKawai> the awful IO performance
• 3308[22:42:32] <RikuKawai> I wasn't sure if it was specifically an issue with vbox
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• 3451[23:57:29] <frlttrwrd> installing debian jessie and it's stuck at "Configuring console-setup (amd64)" for 25 minutes now. is that normal? hard drive is rattling, so it's doing something.
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• 3454[23:59:30] <RikuKawai> what are you installing from?
• 3455[23:59:44] <frlttrwrd> flash drive
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