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45 [00:22:03] <oneeyetony> Trying to install the appropriate b43 drivers to get wireless working on my mac mini running kernel 4.7. I am attempting to follow this: replaced-url
46 [00:22:21] <oneeyetony> Would anyone be willing to help?
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52 [00:24:19] <freakyy> how much GBs should i allocated for a /boot/ partition on an SSD?
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54 [00:26:05] <oneeyetony> freakyy: check this out. replaced-url
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56 [00:26:47] <rhizome> <1
57 [00:26:49] <missmbob> jesus. 1G /boot? that's insane
58 [00:26:59] <missmbob> 150M should be more than sufficient
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60 [00:27:28] <freakyy> ok ill set it to 150GBs
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62 [00:27:44] <freakyy> mb
63 [00:27:49] <freakyy> sorry ^^
64 [00:28:10] <oneeyetony> missmbob: think you could give me a hand with a wireless driver issue
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66 [00:28:43] <missmbob> oneeyetony: probably not
67 [00:28:52] <rhizome> oneeyetony: do we already know what you mean by "fatal error?"
68 [00:29:09] <oneeyetony> Module wl not found
69 [00:29:24] <rhizome> ok, how about dmesg
70 [00:29:35] <oneeyetony> im not seeing wlan in ifconfig either
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72 [00:29:58] <missmbob> oneeyetony: oh so you missed a step
73 [00:30:14] <missmbob> oneeyetony: step 2 in the wiki
74 [00:30:22] <missmbob> that creates the wl module
75 [00:30:29] <missmbob> so do that and paste the output in paste.debian.net
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81 [00:32:11] <oneeyetony> replaced-url
82 [00:32:15] <oneeyetony> looks all good
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85 [00:33:57] <missmbob> oneeyetony: when you first did it do you remember it building the driver?
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92 [00:35:29] <oneeyetony> missbob: first time through I thought since my kernel was up to date I would just need to run broadcm-sta-dkms so I just did that as opposed to the whole line in step 2
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97 [00:36:12] <oneeyetony> missmbob*
98 [00:36:22] <oneeyetony> ah quit
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116 [00:41:14] <rubas> Hi, how do I make a folder only readable/writeable to owner - and all new files in the folder gets the same chmod?
117 [00:41:32] <rubas> I just realized that umask only works for the current process
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303 [01:59:51] <zoredache> I am getting some 404s for `Packages`, and `Sources` files when doing an apt-get update with URLs like `replaced-url
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308 [02:01:56] <sudosudosudo> zoredache do you have the repos in your source list in /etc/apt/sources.list?
309 [02:02:17] <zoredache> yes
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313 [02:03:22] <jack_rip_vim> debian-live-standar distro didnt have a shutdown command =_=
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358 [02:28:54] <rababa> hey :) my icedove keeps freezing after a couple of seconds and sometimes even causes my system to freeze.... is there anybody that could help?
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509 [04:26:01] <OneM_Industries> Ok. Move
510 [04:26:05] <OneM_Industries> Sorry!
511 [04:26:09] <OneM_Industries> Wrong channel.
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532 [04:47:57] <AlexLikeRock> good news, .deb at replaced-url
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540 [04:52:56] <somiaj> AlexLikeRock: this isn't the proper place to advertise 3-rd party .deb packages. Also since the .deb doesn't say which deb based release it is for it may not even work for debian.
541 [04:53:15] <AlexLikeRock> hi somiaj , nice to see you
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553 [05:04:12] <walrider> i need help about installing xfce desktop environment on debian how to do that via command line ?
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556 [05:05:00] <dvs> ,v xfce4
557 [05:05:02] <judd> Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.8.0.3; jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; sid: 4.12.3
558 [05:05:14] <missmbob> walrider: probably should do apt-get install task-xfce-desktop
559 [05:05:31] <somiaj> !xfce4
560 [05:05:32] <dpkg> Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. replaced-url
561 [05:05:37] <somiaj> !install xfce
562 [05:05:37] <dpkg> To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies». To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "Xfce" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet connection may be required to obtain these packages.
563 [05:05:40] <walrider> at this moment im not in ubuntu
564 [05:05:56] <somiaj> walrider: well that is good, because we won't give advise for people in ubuntu
565 [05:05:56] <walrider> im logged in a debian security os
566 [05:06:09] <missmbob> debian security os? kali?
567 [05:06:15] <walrider> parrotsec
568 [05:06:27] <missmbob> !parrotsec
569 [05:06:28] <dpkg> Parrot Security OS is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
570 [05:06:32] <somiaj> that is not debian, so you should probably get advise as to what meta packages they use from parrotsec
571 [05:06:50] <walrider> oh im sorry
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575 [05:09:18] <P-G> Hello, I'm having trouble configuring my laptop's audio. Can someone help me? GUI is XFCE.
576 [05:09:40] <somiaj> P-G: in what way? Are you useing pulseaudio (ps fax | grep pulse) or not?
577 [05:09:58] <P-G> Well, I don't think I'm using anything right now...
578 [05:10:11] <P-G> I tried to configure ALSA but apparently it didn't work.
579 [05:10:16] <P-G> Anything is fine really.
580 [05:10:21] <somiaj> run the command, ps fax | pulse (do you see any thing running like pulseaudio)
581 [05:10:26] <somiaj> I froget if xfce pulls it in or not
582 [05:10:50] <P-G> Pulse wasn't found.
583 [05:10:58] <somiaj> how did you try to configure alsa?
584 [05:11:23] <P-G> Honestly, I forget. Let me try to remember.
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586 [05:11:49] <somiaj> !alsa checklist
587 [05:11:49] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
588 [05:11:56] <somiaj> some common things to check when debugging alsa
589 [05:12:12] <somiaj> also note you could have multiple soundcards, and sometimes all you have to do is point alsa at the one you are trying to use
590 [05:12:32] <P-G> Ok, I have tried one and two.
591 [05:12:43] <P-G> And probably three but let me double-check that.
592 [05:12:45] <freakyy> hi all. why cant i create a raid array here: replaced-url
593 [05:12:58] <P-G> Is "speaker-test" a good test or should I use aplay?
594 [05:13:24] <somiaj> Unsure there. I use aplay because I can specify exact which card/device to use by looking at aplay -l
595 [05:13:41] <P-G> Ok, let me try it. Hold on.
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598 [05:14:50] <P-G> No on four, confirmed four.
599 [05:15:20] <P-G> My speaker mute button L.E.D. does change colour properly for whatever that's worth. Might be firmware, I don't know.
600 [05:15:45] <P-G> Somiaj: Do you know how to test point three properly?
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604 [05:18:34] <P-G> I just removed pulseaudio and pulseaudio-utils.
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607 [05:19:57] <mrrhq> Good for you. c:
608 [05:20:08] <P-G> :p
609 [05:20:35] <mrrhq> PA is mostly cancerous.
610 [05:20:52] <P-G> Yeah, I have heard that before.
611 [05:21:01] <P-G> But right now I just want to get this laptop working. >.<
612 [05:21:33] <missmbob> so you had pulseaudio? damn. running pavucontrol would've probably been such an easy fix
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614 [05:21:48] <somiaj> yea I'm surprised ps fax | grep pulse did not return it was running
615 [05:21:55] <missmbob> he probably did Pulse
616 [05:22:10] <P-G> "sudo alsactl init" found two devices, one Intel and one Nvidia for HDMI.
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618 [05:22:32] <P-G> aplay prints a bunch of stuff. I'm going to Pastebin it.
619 [05:22:54] <missmbob> honestly i'd reinstall pulseaudio pulseaudio-utils and pavucontrol. then just run pavucontrol
620 [05:23:13] <somiaj> yea that gives you an interface to nicely control all your cards
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622 [05:23:34] <mrrhq> I still wonder if PA adds any overhead, or if it actually makes any audio-operations work faster?
623 [05:23:58] <somiaj> mrrhq: it adds overhead, but most modern systems won't notice it. It has some additional features not avaialble in alsa.
624 [05:24:04] <P-G> replaced-url
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626 [05:24:31] <P-G> Want output from alsactl?
627 [05:24:36] <jmcnaught> +1 for pulseaudio. the FUD about it is very outdated.
628 [05:25:03] <somiaj> P-G: pulseaudio will probably be a much simpler way to get sound.
629 [05:25:24] <somiaj> jmcnaught: yea, I always liked the idea of the sound server, they just kept changing so often, glad to see one stuck around. (:
630 [05:25:35] <P-G> Ok, I'll do that unless you have any ideas about ALSA.
631 [05:25:54] <P-G> It seems like I might just not know how to use alsa-mixer.
632 [05:26:11] <somiaj> maybe because it is called alsamixer?
633 [05:26:25] <somiaj> either way, that only controls per sound card setting, it won't control which one apps use by default
634 [05:26:35] <Hello71> jmcnaught: for local single-user single-output setups I find it causes more problems than it solves.
635 [05:26:48] <Hello71> and at best is cost-benefit neutral.
636 [05:26:50] <P-G> Lol.
637 [05:27:02] <P-G> Ok, how do I configure default output device?
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639 [05:27:11] <P-G> Here's output from alsactl: replaced-url
640 [05:27:24] <Hello71> I think if you use alisp, you might be able to hook up a control to output selection.
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645 [05:29:15] <mrrhq> I still have hope that someday ALSA will have proper and secure network-transparency with audio capabilities.
646 [05:29:41] <P-G> alsa -l output: replaced-url
647 [05:29:56] <somiaj> My 1998 sblive has made it easy to avoid all sound issues over the years, I'm actually unsure what it is like these days. It must be better as sound issues are far rarer.
648 [05:30:07] <somiaj> P-G: why not install pulseaudio and be done with it?
649 [05:30:30] <P-G> Well, it just seems like there should be a quick fix here but maybe not.
650 [05:30:59] <P-G> replaced-url
651 [05:31:01] <somiaj> P-G: it might be just a quick configuration issue, but have you read man aplay, or tried to see what the commands and info we have given you means?
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653 [05:31:30] <P-G> I have read that a while back and I'm trying to figure out the devices now.
654 [05:31:42] <P-G> If this takes too long, I'll just try Pulseaudio.
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657 [05:31:49] <mrrhq> P-G: can you at least get to alsamixer (granted you have alsa-utils installed?)
658 [05:31:51] <somiaj> that is how I set my default device, but pvaucontrol gives you a nice gui you can use.
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660 [05:31:59] <missmbob> there's the capital P again. i'm sure that was it :P
661 [05:32:06] <missmbob> pavucontrol he means
662 [05:32:09] <mrrhq> Maybe something is muted, who knows.
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665 [05:32:33] <mrrhq> I've ran into ALSA issues years ago, forgot what I did to fix it...
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667 [05:33:25] <P-G> "aptitude search alsamixer" only lists alsamixergui, cairo-dock-alsamixer-plug-, and mopidy-alsamixer.
668 [05:33:32] <P-G> I thought I had it installed...
669 [05:36:03] <somiaj> P-G: you were told what package alsamixer is in.
670 [05:36:09] <somiaj> alsa-utils by the way
671 [05:37:18] <P-G> Ok, I do have that but I can't seem to run it...
672 [05:37:28] <mrrhq> I was gonna say, if alsamixer lauches in the promps, and doesn't show any errors, or shows your audio devices, you're more than half of the way there to fixing the problem.
673 [05:37:29] <somiaj> how are you running it?
674 [05:37:39] <mrrhq> s/promps/terminal
675 [05:37:40] <P-G> Man page says it's ncurses, which is what I remember.
676 [05:38:07] <P-G> I run "alsamixer" and bash prints "cannot open mixer: No such file or directory".
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678 [05:38:24] <P-G> Sudo?
679 [05:38:36] <mrrhq> Shoot. What about groups | grep audio
680 [05:38:42] <mrrhq> Does it show anything?
681 [05:38:45] <P-G> Sudo didn't help.
682 [05:38:55] <P-G> My user is a part of audio group.
683 [05:39:10] <Hello71> sounds like you upgraded kernel.
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685 [05:39:20] <mrrhq> Jsut wanted to make sure. :)
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687 [05:39:32] <P-G> I don't think I upgraded kernel...
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690 [05:40:31] <mrrhq> P-G: What version of debian are you using?
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693 [05:41:11] <P-G> Let me figure out how to check that again. :p
694 [05:41:26] <mrrhq> I've had your type of problems in Debian testing before. Try "lsb_release" in the terminal.
695 [05:41:48] <missmbob> it's lsb_release -a
696 [05:41:55] <mrrhq> Right, sorry.
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698 [05:42:11] <missmbob> you can probably do cat /etc/debian_version too
699 [05:42:12] <P-G> 8.6
700 [05:42:14] <Hello71> cat /etc/lsb_release
701 [05:42:23] <Hello71> er, os-
702 [05:42:35] <zykotick9> missmbob: "lsb_release -sc" is handy
703 [05:42:36] <mrrhq> Hmm...
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705 [05:42:48] <mrrhq> He's on stable.
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707 [05:43:24] <Hello71> are you sure you actually still have cards with mixers
708 [05:43:43] <P-G> Er.
709 [05:43:50] <P-G> What?
710 [05:44:17] <P-G> I've been looking at that StackExchange link and I don't seem to have an /etc/asound.conf.
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712 [05:44:19] <mrrhq> lspci | grep -i audio
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715 [05:44:30] <mrrhq> What audio device(s) you have?
716 [05:44:31] <Hello71> like, they didn't get detached.
717 [05:44:39] <P-G> Intel HD Audio Controller.
718 [05:44:49] <P-G> Oh, yes.
719 [05:44:55] <P-G> It's a pretty normal laptop.
720 [05:45:01] <mrrhq> lsmod | grep snd
721 [05:45:04] <mrrhq> Anything?
722 [05:45:08] <P-G> HP Pavilion.
723 [05:45:21] <P-G> Yes, several.
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726 [05:45:37] <P-G> Want pastebin?
727 [05:45:58] <mrrhq> If you want to, but it sounds like most of the modules are loaded.
728 [05:46:27] <P-G> replaced-url
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731 [05:46:46] <P-G> Yeah, I even see a toast message in GUI when I toggle sound from the hardware button.
732 [05:46:50] <mrrhq> Not really sure at this point. I also have Intel HDA.
733 [05:46:51] <P-G> But no output...
734 [05:47:19] <P-G> Do you have an /etc/asound.conf?
735 [05:47:23] <Hello71> aplay -l
736 [05:47:57] <mrrhq> P-G: No, I don't use one.
737 [05:48:14] <P-G> Ok, apparently it's not necessary.
738 [05:48:24] <P-G> But maybe I should use that to specify output?
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742 [05:50:04] <mrrhq> P-G: Everything looks good in terms of that output, so the kernel recognises all of it.
743 [05:50:31] <mrrhq> userland is having problems figuring it out, somewhat...
744 [05:50:57] <P-G> Yeah....
745 [05:51:51] <P-G> "aplay -l" shows three devices, two are the same with analogue and digital and one is clearly HDMI, but they all have the same card and device identifiers at 0.
746 [05:51:58] <P-G> Seems shady.
747 [05:52:02] <P-G> I'll try Pulseaudio.
748 [05:52:32] <P-G> Does anyone know what is actually necessary there? Just install pulseaudio and pulseaudio-utils?
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751 [05:53:13] <P-G> Sound I uninstall all alsa stuff?
752 [05:53:16] * zykotick9 doesn't think adding pulse on top of a non-working alsa will help ANYTHING...
753 [05:53:30] <P-G> Ok. >.<
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755 [05:53:35] <P-G> What should I try?
756 [05:53:41] <Hello71> speaker-test
757 [05:54:03] <mrrhq> systemctl restart alsa-restore.service alsa-state.service
758 [05:54:20] <Hello71> what
759 [05:54:21] <mrrhq> That's one other thing I can think of as I looked up about it.
760 [05:54:30] <mrrhq> Needs to be run as root.
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762 [05:54:41] <P-G> Speaker-test output: replaced-url
763 [05:55:28] <Hello71> pastebin aplay -l
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765 [05:55:51] <mrrhq> systemctl status alsa-restore.service
766 [05:55:55] <P-G> I'll make a pastebin of my pastebins. :p
767 [05:55:56] <mrrhq> Should say active.
768 [05:56:06] <P-G> I just tried restarting it. Hold on.
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770 [05:56:40] <mrrhq> It's not that important, but it does save the state of the sound card.
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780 [06:01:07] <P-G> Ok, Pastebin of Pastebins: replaced-url
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785 [06:01:49] <P-G> Same behaviour, hardware button seems to work but no audio output.
786 [06:02:14] <P-G> I'm going to look for an XFCE GUI utility.
787 [06:02:26] <missmbob> pavucontrol is such utility. that's what i use in xfce
788 [06:02:39] <somiaj> back full circle it seems
789 [06:02:46] <missmbob> could've been done :P
790 [06:03:06] <mrrhq> Hmm, yeah, absolutely nothing userland is working. I don't know what to do at that point. Exepct restart and see if it works. Ahahaha. Sorry man.
791 [06:03:17] <kanotix> there are also #alsa and #pulseaudio channels FWIW
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793 [06:03:35] <P-G> Well, I'm ready to try Pulseaudio but somebody said I shouldn't.
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795 [06:03:55] <P-G> Can somebody walk me through it so I don't get lost this time? >.<
796 [06:04:18] <somiaj> just install those two packages you removed at the start
797 [06:04:29] <missmbob> plus pavucontrol. they dont pull that in
798 [06:04:31] <mrrhq> Oh yeah, that's right, you removed them.
799 [06:04:33] <P-G> No need to remove Alsa stuff?
800 [06:04:38] <somiaj> then isntall pavucontrol and then run that
801 [06:04:44] <P-G> Ok, hold on.
802 [06:04:46] <somiaj> no need, pulse is on top of alsa.
803 [06:04:49] <mrrhq> I think if you rebbot, it'll probably just magically work right.
804 [06:05:08] <mrrhq> Disclaimer: Don't just trust me blindly. :p
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806 [06:06:03] <P-G> On top, huh? ;)
807 [06:06:42] <mrrhq> I mean then you could finally celebrate not using Pulseaudio for X amount of years, as nerdy bragging rights.
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810 [06:07:16] <P-G> I'll try that another day. :p
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812 [06:08:21] <P-G> Pavucontrol output devices listed are "speakers", "analog output", and "headphones (unplugged)".
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814 [06:09:32] <P-G> They all seem to mute separately.
815 [06:09:33] <mrrhq> Of course Pulseaudio shows devices. *sigh*
816 [06:09:45] <P-G> Well, ALSA did too.
817 [06:09:47] <Hello71> why the hell did you say "they all have the same card and device identifiers at 0"
818 [06:09:49] <mrrhq> I wish ALSA didn't have bugs either.
819 [06:09:56] <mrrhq> Haha.
820 [06:10:04] <Hello71> speaker-test -D hw:1,0
821 [06:10:06] <P-G> Hello, did you see the pastebin?
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824 [06:11:50] <P-G> Hello: "Channels count (1) not available for playbacks: Invalid argument \n Setting of hwparams failed: Invalid argument"
825 [06:12:14] <P-G> Speaker-test still not working without arguments either.
826 [06:12:40] <P-G> Nothing from aplay either...
827 [06:12:55] <mrrhq> It's frustrating that I can't help you solve it, because I ran into the EXACT same problem, but didn't document what I did. I think the ultimate solution is to just install Ubuntu Mate, and give a middle finger to the Debian folks who couldn't do eveything right all the time. :^)
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829 [06:13:22] <mrrhq> Though I kid, It probably just fixed itself.
830 [06:13:29] <Hello71> add -c 2
831 [06:13:41] <mrrhq> As everything does...
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833 [06:14:18] <P-G> Hello: No errors but no audio.
834 [06:14:36] <P-G> The volume should be pretty high.
835 [06:14:47] <Hello71> alsamixer -D hw:1
836 [06:15:06] <P-G> Nvidia HDMI.
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838 [06:15:17] <mrrhq> Protip: make sure your speakers are at least low enough, so that when it does work, you don't blow out your eardrums. c:
839 [06:15:31] <P-G> I'm find with blowing out my eardrums at this point. :p
840 [06:16:03] <P-G> No entries for hw:2-4.
841 [06:16:06] <mrrhq> I wouldn't be surprised if hair-pulling commences already.
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847 [06:17:01] <gallo_mobile> ok, for th life of me I can't make a damn boot installable USB stick
848 [06:17:04] <gallo_mobile> replaced-url
849 [06:17:16] <Hello71> press F6.
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851 [06:17:25] <P-G> "alsamixer -D hw:1" shows headphones and speakers even though the chip says it's HDMI.
852 [06:17:37] <P-G> Ok.
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854 [06:18:03] <P-G> F6 shows "- (default)", "1 HDA Intel", and "enter device name...".
855 [06:18:05] <Hello71> GALL0: you can't put it on a *partition*
856 [06:18:06] <GALL0> made a standard, netinst and mini.iso with cp and dd on a mac
857 [06:18:17] <P-G> "HDA Intel" is selected.
858 [06:18:18] <mrrhq> GALL0: You can use dd with the Debian hybrid ISO, and make it a bootable stick. Your BIOS needs to support booting over USB.
859 [06:18:18] * GALL0 facepalm
860 [06:18:28] <Hello71> also, consider cp as explained in the documentation.
861 [06:18:34] <GALL0> it does allow for a UEFI,
862 [06:18:45] <mrrhq> Well, sorry I still like "disk destroyer".
863 [06:18:53] <mrrhq> Bad habit.
864 [06:19:01] <Hello71> dd requires bs in order to be at all efficient.
865 [06:19:12] <GALL0> so cp <file> /dev/disk1 ?
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868 [06:19:24] <mrrhq> Yes, but cp doesn't even have an option for bs?
869 [06:19:26] <P-G> Oh, it might be working now!
870 [06:19:28] <P-G> Maybe.
871 [06:19:30] <mrrhq> Or does cp even have a bs?
872 [06:19:42] <P-G> Yes. :D
873 [06:19:46] <GALL0> in Mac using dd if=file of=dest; bs=4M give me a 'numerical error"
874 [06:19:50] <somiaj> GALL0: the live image doesn't support efi
875 [06:19:52] <GALL0> something like that, didnt pastebin it
876 [06:19:53] <Hello71> lol
877 [06:19:56] <mrrhq> P-G: Congrats. :)
878 [06:19:58] <Hello71> read the install docs.
879 [06:20:13] <GALL0> i've tried a few different ISOs
880 [06:20:23] <Hello71> and even if it did support EFI you can't dd a full disk image to a partiton
881 [06:20:36] <P-G> But I don't know whether I'm using ALSA or PA so I'm going to try uninstalling PA. :p
882 [06:20:38] <somiaj> also cp is easier to use than dd, 'cp debian.iso /dev/disk' (and make sure it is the disk not a partiion on it)
883 [06:20:59] <mrrhq> Minimal-install master race.
884 [06:21:05] <GALL0> install docs only says "cp <file> <device>
885 [06:21:07] <GALL0> Alternatively you can also use dd:
886 [06:21:09] <GALL0> dd if=<file> of=<device> bs=4M; sync"Y
887 [06:21:11] <somiaj> Unsure what the disk would be in osx, My guess would be just /dev/disk1s or something like that
888 [06:21:42] <GALL0> disk1s1 is th partition, so i need to use /dev/disk1 for the device
889 [06:21:55] <mrrhq> Wouldn't you just manually run "sync" afterwards before unmounting? it's not required to use sync either.
890 [06:22:23] <GALL0> bs=4M gives an error, so sync doesnt even run
891 [06:22:39] <GALL0> tried 4MB and still an error. i'll try cp see what happens
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893 [06:22:46] <mrrhq> try bs=4096k
894 [06:23:13] <mrrhq> the dd command is different in Mac/FreeBSD-based OSes.
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898 [06:24:03] <Hello71> you can't unmount a device
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900 [06:24:21] <Hello71> and if 4M won't work 4096k probably won't either
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904 [06:25:16] <missmbob> how do you figure? osx man page for dd says it does support bs. replaced-url
905 [06:25:23] <GALL0> dd still works without bs or sync
906 [06:25:24] <missmbob> so it probably just is a M vs k thing
907 [06:25:46] <P-G> Hello: you were right about "-c 2". I uninstalled PA again and everything seems to work except the default speaker-test channel.
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909 [06:26:11] <P-G> I can't access "default" from alsamixer but device 1 seems to work fine for Chromium.
910 [06:26:14] <Hello71> missmbob: what about that says it supports k suffix
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912 [06:26:28] <Hello71> P-G: five bucks says rebooting will fix it
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914 [06:26:41] <P-G> Ok, let me just make sure I've got this log saved...
915 [06:26:41] <Hello71> (after uninstalling pulse)
916 [06:26:54] <GALL0> 4096k is working, or at least didn't give me an immediate error
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918 [06:27:00] <missmbob> Hello71: there we go ^
919 [06:27:15] <mrrhq> Yeah, I have no idea why FreeBSD doesn't have "M" as a prefix option.
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921 [06:28:01] <mrrhq> Traditionally, you'd use count= with blocksize.
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931 [06:34:44] <GALL0> well shit, got dbian-8.6-netinst.iso successfully installed on the USB, got an initialization error on OS X that it can be read, but
932 [06:34:46] <GALL0> replaced-url
933 [06:35:39] <jack_rip_vim> ==
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939 [06:36:52] <P-G> speaker-test * c2
940 [06:36:56] <P-G> Oops.
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942 [06:37:22] <GALL0> nevermind
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946 [06:39:12] <P-G> Rebooted. Alsamixer looks the same. "speaker-test -D hw:1,0 -c 2" works but "speaker-test -D hw:1,0" and "speakertest" do not. Basically the same behaviour from before but Chromium doesn't work anymore. ;(
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948 [06:40:03] <P-G> I'm guessing PulseAudio got Chromium on the right device somehow and it just didn't stop working after I uninstalled PulseAudio.
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967 [06:51:28] <P-G> Alsamixer shows speaker volume with the format "-9.00, -9.00". I assume it is recognised as stereo.
968 [06:52:26] <P-G> "speaker-test -D hw:1,0 -c 2" works but requires both arguments.
969 [06:52:51] <P-G> "aplay -D hw:1,0 --channels=2 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" does not work.
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971 [06:55:28] <P-G> What is "PCM name" for -D? :S
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974 [06:57:14] <P-G> Answer: replaced-url
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986 [07:01:32] <P-G> "aplay -Dplughw:CARD=Intel,DEV=1 --channels=2 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" seems to work but no output, probably because it's trying to play mono...
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1000 [07:05:42] <jak2000> any network advice?
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1002 [07:05:42] <plasmoduck> ?
1003 [07:05:47] <jak2000> replaced-url
1004 [07:05:54] <jak2000> plasmoduck:
1005 [07:06:02] <jak2000> can you access: replaced-url
1006 [07:06:04] <jak2000> ?
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1030 [07:12:18] <P-G> Ok, I give up. PulseAudio is working after fiddling with the muting and restarting Chromium a few times.
1031 [07:12:31] <P-G> ALSA is a project for another day. :p
1032 [07:12:43] <P-G> Thanks everyone who helped me!
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1086 [07:57:11] <iio7> I have a box running testing where /etc/resolv.conf keeps being changed. It's a server box so no desktop apps installed. I haven't got any network-manager-* nor resolvconf, what can be changing resolv.conf?
1087 [07:57:20] <iio7> Is it systemd something?
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1093 [07:59:56] <somiaj> iio7: there are various other tools that modify network and resolv.conf. Could be your dhcp client
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1095 [08:00:12] <mrrhq> !testing
1096 [08:00:13] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See replaced-url
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1247 [09:34:45] <cicero_tully> Hello, I just recently installed Debian with an Xfce Desktop Environment
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1251 [09:35:49] <cicero_tully> I was wondering where on the system backgrounds are stored? I have tried placing all of my previous backgrounds into the 'usr' / share / backgrounds folder, but that doesn't update the list in the applet
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1254 [09:37:28] <eumel> for lxde it's /usr/share/wallpapers/
1255 [09:37:49] <eumel> cicero_tully, you can try to list package contents for your desktop environment with dpkg -L
1256 [09:38:26] <eumel> dpkg -L my-super-desktop-package |grep -iE wallpaper\|background
1257 [09:38:27] <dpkg> No packages found matching my-super-desktop-package |grep -iE wallpaper\|background
1258 [09:38:28] <eumel> for example
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1263 [09:41:09] <eumel> cicero_tully: found you're wallpapers?
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1265 [09:41:31] <cicero_tully> Ahh, thanks, I'll try that
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1291 [09:53:55] <cyphase> /msg dpkg irclog
1292 [09:54:00] <cyphase> oops
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1362 [10:28:07] <jgxu> If the upstream code is licensed under BSD and with a patent grant in README. Does it comply with DFSG?
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1413 [10:55:03] <MaxFrames> hello
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1417 [10:55:41] <MaxFrames> I'm trying "modinfo rt2800pci" and I get "command not found", but "man modinfo" shows that the command is correct!
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1421 [10:56:44] <dante> hello
1422 [10:57:07] <dante> I have some issues trying to connect a bluetooth headset to my debian jessie distro
1423 [10:57:07] <eumel> hi
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1425 [10:57:29] <dante> I get the error: Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed
1426 [10:57:53] <dante> I also get the some error is i try to connect to my phone
1427 [10:58:10] <eumel> do you have the pulseaudio-bluetooth-module installed?
1428 [10:58:17] <dante> yes
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1431 [10:59:15] <eumel> maybe you're missing some drivers, did you have a look into dmesg? any complains there?
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1433 [10:59:43] <dante> I don't know how to do that :D
1434 [10:59:48] <dante> can you help me?
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1436 [11:00:02] <dante> I see a lot of information when I hit dmesg
1437 [11:00:05] <eumel> just run dmesg on the commandline
1438 [11:00:18] <eumel> you can pipe the output to grep
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1440 [11:00:31] <dante> okay, now I see
1441 [11:00:32] <dante> [157987.803667] bluetooth hci0: firmware: brcm/BCM20702A0-0a5c-21e6.hcd will not be loaded
1442 [11:00:37] <eumel> okay
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1445 [11:01:03] <eumel> you've got a Broadcom Module that's not loaded by the kernel
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1451 [11:02:14] <dante> how I will fix it ?
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1454 [11:03:18] <eumel> can you check lsmod output? is there a bluetooth module loaded?
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1457 [11:03:59] <eumel> do you have bluez / bluez-firmware installed?
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1460 [11:04:30] <dante> I'm checking right now
1461 [11:04:53] <dante> bluetooth 374429 21 bnep,btusb
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1463 [11:06:30] <eumel> try rmmod bluetooth and modprobe bluetooth
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1467 [11:06:55] <dante> rmmod: ERROR: Module bluetooth is in use by: bnep btusb
1468 [11:07:16] <dante> whit modprobe nothing to show
1469 [11:07:17] <eumel> dante: you'll have to unload btusb / bnep first
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1471 [11:07:26] <eumel> rmmod disables kernel modules
1472 [11:07:31] <eumel> modprobe enables kernel modules
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1476 [11:07:54] <eumel> if you rmmod btusb, bnep, bluetooth the'yll be missing in lsmod output
1477 [11:08:11] <eumel> afterwards you reload the modules one after each other with modprobe
1478 [11:08:27] <eumel> sometimes this can help
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1480 [11:09:11] <eumel> dante: .. a reboot would do all that for you too just by typing reboot
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1482 [11:09:45] <dante> I will try first the hard way and if I don't get resoults I will reboot the computer :D
1483 [11:10:20] <dante> I think I will reboot :D
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1488 [11:11:10] <eumel> are you using gnome as you're desktop environment? found a post via google that mentions uninstalling gnome-bluetooth and reinstalling it could help
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1511 [11:21:26] <MaxFrames> can you tell me if the wireless adapter rt2800pci is compatible with hostapd?
1512 [11:21:31] <MaxFrames> I can't make it work
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1515 [11:22:03] <MaxFrames> how do I determine what "driver" to specify in hostapd.conf?
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1517 [11:22:20] <MaxFrames> how can I tell for sure if the adapter is compatible with hostapd?
1518 [11:22:46] <MaxFrames> I asked in #linux yesterday and they told me "if it works in linux, it works in hostapd" which appears to be bullshit
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1520 [11:23:02] <MaxFrames> the card is working in linux, but not in hostapd...
1521 [11:23:21] <MaxFrames> replaced-url
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1523 [11:23:31] <MaxFrames> I don't know what to make of that "list"...
1524 [11:23:40] <MaxFrames> "supported wireless cards/drivers"
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1526 [11:24:02] <MaxFrames> how do I know if mine falls into one of those 5?
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1529 [11:24:56] <Iridos> The list are authentication methods, they have nothing to do with your specific wifi adapter
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1532 [11:25:51] <MaxFrames> so how do I tell if the adapter is not compatible or if I'm doing something wrong?
1533 [11:26:32] <eumel> MaxFrames: have you checked the package maintainers website?
1534 [11:27:44] <MaxFrames> isn't it the one I linked?
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1536 [11:28:47] <Iridos> oh, you mean "Supported wireless cards/drivers"
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1538 [11:28:57] <Iridos> well, look what kernel module is loaded with "lsmod"
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1540 [11:30:32] <MaxFrames> lspci -k | grep -A 3 -i "network"
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1542 [11:30:37] <MaxFrames> result:
1543 [11:30:39] <ocZio> Hi, I am trying to run a SSH tunnel (socks5), all works fine apart from it does show my IPv6 rather than just IPv4, is it possible to limit this to only IPv4 when going through the SOCKS
1544 [11:30:43] <MaxFrames> kernel driver in use: rt2800pci
1545 [11:30:44] <ocZio> tunnel ?
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1549 [11:33:11] <MaxFrames> I google and I see people using rt2800pci with hostapd so what gives???
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1555 [11:35:39] <MaxFrames> if I put driver=nl80211 I get "could not configure driver mode"
1556 [11:35:53] <MaxFrames> and "driver initialization failed"
1557 [11:36:08] <MaxFrames> if I put driver=rt2800pci I get driver not found
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1559 [11:36:25] <MaxFrames> does anyone here use hostapd?
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1572 [11:41:26] <MaxFrames> ok, no one knows
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1590 [11:49:53] <Sia-> hi, i which package can install TUN adapter?
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1596 [11:51:56] <sigdk> Hello, why do I need to update all these: replaced-url
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1599 [11:53:30] <ksk> sigdk: eh, what is your actual question? you are trying to install something, that package (virtualbox) has other packages that it needs to function, so it pull them in (you could go --without-recommends if you wanted..)
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1603 [11:53:59] <ksk> as to why "will be upgraded" not sure if this is normal behaviour, are you mixing relases in your sources.list?
1604 [11:54:05] <sigdk> ksk, what are all those libreoffice dependences?
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1606 [11:54:37] <eumel> sigdk: strange that it's requiring those office packages
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1611 [11:55:12] <jelly> Sia-: what do you mean? tuntap devices can be managed with the "ip" tool
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1613 [11:55:18] <eumel> sigdk: guess we need more information, sources.list entries etc
1614 [11:55:23] <eumel> clear
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1616 [11:57:01] <Sia-> jelly just tried to run openvpn on my samll box with debian i got this error replaced-url
1617 [11:57:23] <sigdk> eumel, ksk replaced-url
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1620 [11:58:07] <ksk> Sia-: running inside an openvz/parallels container? either a) enable tun/tap on the HardwareNode b) ask your provider to do so
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1622 [11:58:12] <jelly> Sia-: debian's kernel or some custom thing? You'll have to make sure tuntap driver is available, either compiled in or "modprobe tun"
1623 [11:58:13] <ksk> if not inside openvz: create the device
1624 [11:58:29] <jelly> ksk: wow, does openvz work on arm?
1625 [11:58:37] <Sia-> ok jelly thanks
1626 [11:58:52] <eumel> sigdk: can you comment the backports list ?
1627 [11:59:41] <ksk> jelly: dont think so, but dont really know.
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1629 [12:00:25] <sigdk> eumel, still the same, I get a whole bunch of libreoffice dependencies
1630 [12:00:28] <ksk> sigdk: yap, mixing strech with wheezy-backports probalby not so good.
1631 [12:00:40] <n4dir> python is in version 3.4 in debian-stable or -backports? sigdk
1632 [12:00:45] <ksk> sigdk: you did run apt-get update after commenting out the backports line?
1633 [12:00:57] <sigdk> ksk, yes
1634 [12:01:22] <jelly> ksk: (because their paste shows an arm machine)
1635 [12:01:31] <n4dir> ah, stretch.
1636 [12:01:34] <sigdk> n4dir, python?
1637 [12:01:44] <jelly> ,v python3
1638 [12:01:45] <judd> Package: python3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.1-4; sid: 3.5.1-4
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1641 [12:02:25] <n4dir> sigdk: "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required", right at the top of the paste
1642 [12:02:27] <jelly> n4dir: jessie, not backports. It's unlikely there will ever be a backport for python interpreter(s)
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1644 [12:03:54] <n4dir> i didn't see that he is using stretch, as this is #debian. my fault.
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1648 [12:04:26] <jelly> sigdk: your system looks rather outdated, and testing moves quickly these days, just before the freeze
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1653 [12:06:40] <sigdk> jelly, you mean soon stretch will become stable?
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1657 [12:08:58] <eumel> sigdk: replaced-url
1658 [12:09:15] <eumel> sigdk: 2017/02/05 is planned for Full freeze
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1760 [13:05:58] <happy_hacker> when "apt-get dist-upgrade" is running and stops after a message with a :
1761 [13:06:09] <happy_hacker> how do you contine? just press enter?
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1763 [13:06:23] <happy_hacker> man apt-get hasn't helped just yet
1764 [13:06:30] <OpenTokix> happy_hacker: Depends on the message
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1766 [13:06:55] <bezaban> likely a less prompt. If it is just displaying a doc, hit q
1767 [13:07:02] <bezaban> after reading it :P
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1771 [13:08:19] <happy_hacker> apt (1.1~exp9) experimental; urgency=medium
1772 [13:08:37] <happy_hacker> ending with -- Julian Andres Klode <jak@debian.org> Mon, 17 Aug 2015 14:45:17 +0200 then the :
1773 [13:08:46] <happy_hacker> thanks
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1779 [13:11:11] <themill> the "(q to quit)" in the message might be a hint
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1789 [13:14:38] <happy_hacker> moved on but don't recall seeing that
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1793 [13:16:42] <themill> I wrote the patch for that. You did.
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1869 [13:52:12] <tehfeels> when i want to install compiz in Debian Jessie i get this error unable to install new version of '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng12.so.0': No such file or directory
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1876 [13:56:06] <themill> tehfeels: that's a sign you're trying to install packages not designed for system. compiz isn't anywhere in Debian
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1882 [13:58:55] <tehfeels> themill: but libpng16.so.16 is installed in the same directory
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1885 [14:00:05] <themill> that's not particularly relevant
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1937 [14:18:16] <wdwef> hello, where I can download debian 8.5?
1938 [14:19:46] <TomTomTo1> replaced-url
1939 [14:20:11] <jelly> tehfeels: compiled binaries require libs with the exact same "soname" (basically, same ABI/API) they were built with
1940 [14:20:43] <wdwef> thx!!!
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1942 [14:21:41] <petn-randall> wdwef: You might want to take the most recent release instead, though.
1943 [14:21:50] <wdwef> I want 8.5
1944 [14:22:10] <petn-randall> wdwef: I see. Is there a reason you want 8.5 over 8.6?
1945 [14:22:15] <wdwef> yep
1946 [14:22:24] <petn-randall> which is?
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1971 [14:32:02] <maziar> I'm setup a DNS server on Debian jessie and when i change my DNS to it on client it's work fine for me, (it's address is NS1.site.com) when i want to set my NS Servers on godaddy.com for my site.com, (set NS to ns1.site.com) godaddy.com tis telling me "the data provided cannot be used, please correct it and resubmit your resuest"
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1973 [14:32:09] <maziar> how cam i fix it ?
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1975 [14:33:43] <jelly> maziar: pastebin the output of "dig yourdomain.here SOA @ip.of.ns1.site.com" and same for NS record type instead of SOA. Please do not munge the domain name.
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1982 [14:34:18] <jelly> maziar: which authoritative dns server software are you using?
1983 [14:34:45] <maziar> jelly last version of bind in Debian repository
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1992 [14:39:29] <maziar> jelly replaced-url
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2008 [14:44:22] <jelly> looks about right, but I'm not willing to spend time analyzing munged data
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2026 [14:49:54] <gchristensen> Hi, does Debian have automated testing to make sure packages build and functionality continues working? I'm sure there must be, and I'd love to see the tooling and tests.
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2029 [14:52:22] <dondelelcaro> gchristensen: mostly; we do archive-wide rebuilds quite often, and if a package has a testing framework, it is run during the build process
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2032 [14:53:10] <gchristensen> I see. Is there any integration testing where you do a boot and test the booted system works?
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2037 [14:53:38] <dondelelcaro> gchristensen: the d-i group does some of that, but it's mostly based on virtual machines
2038 [14:53:59] <dondelelcaro> gchristensen: and there it's mainly geared towards making sure the installer works
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2040 [14:54:51] <gchristensen> I see, can I see that code somewhere?
2041 [14:55:00] <dondelelcaro> gchristensen: more complicated integration tests get pretty difficult, because there are so many possible endpoints and package combinations; AFAIK, the project doesn't have a systematic set up for it
2042 [14:55:10] <gchristensen> right right, I can understand that
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2046 [14:55:28] <dondelelcaro> gchristensen: replaced-url
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2051 [14:56:07] <dondelelcaro> gchristensen: I think some of the actual deployment testing is manual, but I'm not certain
2052 [14:56:12] <gchristensen> I'm a maintainer of NixOS, and find our full boot integration tests frequently fail with false negatives, so I'm polling other distros in hopes of finding gems to improve stability and reproducibility
2053 [14:56:15] <gchristensen> ahh ok
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2059 [14:56:43] <gchristensen> (they pass more often than not, but the false negatives are frustrating still)
2060 [14:56:50] <dondelelcaro> gchristensen: ah; yeah, that's not that unusual, unfortunately. Are you all booting on raw hardware? or a virtual machine?
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2062 [14:57:26] <dondelelcaro> I'm not really the expert in this area, though; you might want to ask in #debian-devel on irc.oftc.net
2063 [14:57:28] <gchristensen> we're using QEMU for those tests, and I _suspect_ whatever else is running on the box at the time has a big hand in how it goes
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2065 [14:57:36] <dondelelcaro> gchristensen: yeah, makes sense
2066 [14:57:54] <gchristensen> cool, thank you for the link and the pointer to #debian-devel -- I've got to take the dog out, but will head that way later today. Thank you!
2067 [14:57:56] <dondelelcaro> (Debian is so large that there's no way to keep on top of everything that people are working on)
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2069 [14:58:05] <gchristensen> hah, yeah :)
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2072 [14:58:14] <dondelelcaro> gchristensen: no problem! good luck!
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2142 [15:26:14] <ongy> what happened to netperf on debian stretch?
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2145 [15:28:38] <Iridos> dpkg, why is netperf not in testing
2146 [15:28:38] <dpkg> netperf is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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2150 [15:30:15] <Iridos> guess bugs #798789 and #793895
2151 [15:30:16] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2152 [15:30:36] <Iridos> and #793895 !
2153 [15:30:37] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2250 [16:08:08] <hfp> Hi, I have a system running Debian, and I have a tar backup of the whole system. I want to restore that backup, can I boot into the system and just extract the archive at /? i.e. can I overwrite the system while it's running? This is for an embedded system, for which I can't boot from a USB flashdrive or LiveCD. If it makes any difference, the system is this one: replaced-url
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2267 [16:14:26] <hfp> It's running Debian 8
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2277 [16:15:26] <petn-randall> hfp: In general that not a good approach since any files present on the system but not in the tar will still remain.
2278 [16:15:36] <colo-work> hfp, you _probably_ can, but you should make sure to extract the tarball with --one-file-system and --numeric-owner in effect (and also keep permissions)
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2280 [16:15:41] <colo-work> also, what petn-randall said
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2284 [16:16:15] <petn-randall> s/that/that's/
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2292 [16:18:06] <JordiGH> Man, I was perfectly happy with my Linux, but then some CVE came along, I upgraded to the latest backported Linux, and now I have graphical glitches and occasional suspend glitches. I have decided that I don't care about a local priv escalation on my laptop. How can I install Linux 4.4.6 again?
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2299 [16:19:57] <jelly> JordiGH: did you get this old kernel from a debian repo at that time? Which debian release are you using?
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2301 [16:20:28] <JordiGH> I'm on stable. I got it from backports. Maybe two or three months ago.
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2304 [16:21:10] <petn-randall> ,kernels
2305 [16:21:11] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.8.0-1-686-pae (4.8.7-1); stretch: 4.8.0-1-686-pae (4.8.5-1); jessie-backports: 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.7.8-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.82-1)
2306 [16:21:49] <JordiGH> 4.7.0 is I think what's causing me unhappiness.
2307 [16:21:55] <petn-randall> JordiGH: ^^^ those are the ones you get to pick from. You can probably use something like replaced-url
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2309 [16:22:26] <JordiGH> Is it just a matter of grabbing the deb from snapshot.debian.org? I probably need to manually trace its deps, right?
2310 [16:22:32] <petn-randall> JordiGH: But if you upgraded your system from 3 months ago, it could also be a few other things that changed since then.
2311 [16:22:51] <petn-randall> JordiGH: It's explained on the link I gave you.
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2315 [16:23:59] <JordiGH> Aha, thanks.
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2319 [16:24:51] <hfp> petn-randall, colo-work: so what's the point in backing up a system at all with a tarball? How should I backup if I wanted to be able to restore the snapshot?
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2329 [16:26:02] <JordiGH> "Error 503 Backend fetch failed" >.>
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2337 [16:29:08] <jelly> JordiGH: snapshot.debian.org
2338 [16:29:22] <jelly> ah, you already got that
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2342 [16:30:24] <JordiGH> Not yet, I haven't.
2343 [16:30:29] * JordiGH tries to reload the page.
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2353 [16:32:55] <petn-randall> hfp: You can backup a system with a tarball, but a) the system has to be offline when doing so, as many file change while tar is running (think databases, logs, etc) b) you have to restore to an _empty_ target system.
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2356 [16:33:50] <petn-randall> hfp: Which is why many admins hardly use tarballs to backup since the '80s.
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2389 [16:50:16] <techno2900> hello, I would like to know how can I use a HTML5 player on firefox.
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2394 [16:51:02] <techno2900> because I have a website , the website use silverlight but they use a html5 player too but only on google chrome
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2396 [16:51:18] <techno2900> it is possible to use this player on firefox or not ?
2397 [16:51:37] <baraba> you can try by changing your user agent string techno2900
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2399 [16:51:54] <techno2900> I don't know how can I make this.
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2401 [16:52:13] <baraba> install user agent switcher addon
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2403 [16:52:33] <techno2900> on firefox ?
2404 [16:52:43] <techno2900> or on the computer ?
2405 [16:52:46] <baraba> firefox
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2407 [16:53:03] <techno2900> okay and I enter user agent switcher agent ?
2408 [16:53:19] <techno2900> or the plugin have another name ?
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2411 [16:53:45] <baraba> user agent switcher is the name of the extension
2412 [16:53:47] <nkuttler> techno2900: xul-ext-useragentswitcher
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2415 [16:54:02] <techno2900> nkuttler : I enter this ?
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2417 [16:54:19] <nkuttler> techno2900: that's the name of the package for it
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2419 [16:54:40] <baraba> or you can install it from firefox addons dialog
2420 [16:54:50] <techno2900> which is better ?
2421 [16:55:15] <baraba> no idea
2422 [16:55:21] <nkuttler> whichever works
2423 [16:55:35] <baraba> you should really be able to use html5 without the need of this
2424 [16:55:41] <techno2900> okay, after I install that, what is the next step ?
2425 [16:55:44] <nkuttler> yeah, site sounds broken
2426 [16:56:02] <baraba> techno2900, then you set your user agent to chromes user agent
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2428 [16:56:14] <baraba> which site are you trying to browse?
2429 [16:56:14] <techno2900> nkuttler : they say the html5 player only work with google chrome but I don't love google chrome
2430 [16:56:28] <nkuttler> techno2900: they are idiots..
2431 [16:56:31] <baraba> html5 works in all modern browsers
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2433 [16:56:51] <techno2900> it's a french website and for watch the videos, you need to subscribe
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2435 [16:56:56] <techno2900> it's a french HBO
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2437 [16:57:28] <techno2900> baraba: I try with firefox, but I have a logo say install silverlight
2438 [16:57:38] <nkuttler> techno2900: did you switch your user agent?
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2441 [16:58:12] <techno2900> no not yet
2442 [16:58:21] <techno2900> now, yes
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2444 [16:58:47] <techno2900> but on google chrome, the html5 player work
2445 [16:58:54] <techno2900> and on chromium
2446 [16:59:02] <techno2900> i have install silverligt
2447 [16:59:06] <techno2900> light sorry
2448 [16:59:33] <techno2900> after, what is the next step ?
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2450 [16:59:40] <baraba> about:addons
2451 [16:59:45] <techno2900> okay
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2454 [16:59:57] <baraba> under extensions what do you have
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2458 [17:00:14] <techno2900> I have the user switch agent
2459 [17:00:34] <baraba> ok
2460 [17:01:00] <baraba> go to tools/default user agent/edit user agents
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2463 [17:01:49] <techno2900> okay
2464 [17:01:51] <baraba> and add new user agent with the following string
2465 [17:01:55] <hfp> petn-randall: I see. Sorry if this is a stupid question but what should I use to backup then? Most of what I found online says tar on a cron will do just fine.
2466 [17:01:55] <baraba> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/53.0.2785.143 Safari/537.36
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2471 [17:02:30] <techno2900> baraba : okay hold on...
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2474 [17:03:33] <baraba> go to this page to verify your user agent techno2900:
2475 [17:03:35] <baraba> replaced-url
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2477 [17:04:02] <techno2900> baraba : I have to make something very important, back in 2 minutes
2478 [17:04:16] <petn-randall> hfp: For your embedded thingie it is probably fine, better is rsync to another location, even better is rdiff-backup, and if you have several servers you probably want something like bacula to back them up regularly.
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2482 [17:05:42] <techno2900> okay now it's okay
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2485 [17:05:46] <techno2900> after I make what ?
2486 [17:06:00] <baraba> did you change the user agent?
2487 [17:06:06] <baraba> and verify it on that page
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2489 [17:06:16] <techno2900> I make this now
2490 [17:06:27] <hfp> petn-randall: thanks
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2492 [17:07:11] <petn-randall> hfp: tar is good enough for backup (better than nothing), it just makes a full restore quite messy.
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2496 [17:08:11] <techno2900> I have technical problem with my computer
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2499 [17:09:04] <techno2900> okay now I check
2500 [17:10:06] <techno2900> okay now I check the link you gave me4
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2503 [17:11:23] <techno2900> baraba : now I make what ?
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2513 [17:15:18] <techno29001> sorry, I have technical problem with irc. Now for html5, I make what
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2518 [17:17:12] <techno29001> baraba : I have this on the link you gave me : Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/45.0
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2522 [17:18:19] <misterbee> hellow
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2524 [17:18:25] <techno29001> Hello
2525 [17:18:40] <misterbee> hihiih...how are you today sir
2526 [17:18:40] <eumel> hi
2527 [17:19:04] <baraba> techno29001, then you didn't switch it correctly
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2530 [17:19:18] <misterbee> i think the irc is no anyone to using that...but im wrong..
2531 [17:19:21] <techno29001> baraba : okay
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2535 [17:20:20] <baraba> not okay techno29001, under tools what user agent are you seeing?
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2539 [17:20:46] <techno29001> okay like okay so I make what now
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2541 [17:21:44] <misterbee> what are you talking about mr techno and mr baraba..?
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2544 [17:22:27] <baraba> just tell me everything you see under tools menu techno29001
2545 [17:22:40] <baraba> misterbee, we are trying to switch techno29001's user agent string in firefox
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2547 [17:22:45] <techno29001> hold on..
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2549 [17:23:11] <techno29001> on tools I have the user switch agent
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2553 [17:26:10] <baraba> you need to select the user agent you added techno29001
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2555 [17:26:14] <techno29001> yes
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2559 [17:26:41] <baraba> did you add that string i pasted few minutes ago
2560 [17:26:55] <techno29001> yes
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2562 [17:27:25] <baraba> then why does the page say you still have your default firefox user agent
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2564 [17:28:06] <techno29001> I don't know
2565 [17:28:08] <baraba> when this page: replaced-url
2566 [17:28:13] <techno29001> I made everything you say
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2568 [17:28:23] <techno29001> I try this on chrome ?
2569 [17:28:27] <baraba> how did you name your new user agent techno29001?
2570 [17:29:46] <techno29001> my username is techno2900, i don't know why it's techno29001, I'm connected as techno2900
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2572 [17:31:17] <baraba> OK, i can't help you further techno29001, maybe someone else
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2574 [17:31:23] <baraba> sorry
2575 [17:31:31] <techno29001> it's okay
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2577 [17:32:52] <misterbee> ./join #letsencrypt
2578 [17:32:57] <jubo2> y0.. how do I reverse what a2enconf did ?
2579 [17:33:11] <jubo2> I need to defconf something from apache
2580 [17:33:36] <jubo2> prlly 'man a2enconf' instead of bugging y'all with newb questions
2581 [17:33:45] <misterbee> i'm sorry i cant answer...maybe mr baraba can help you,,,
2582 [17:33:52] <techno29001> baraba : okay so now, I make what ?
2583 [17:33:52] <petn-randall> jubo2: a2disconf
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2585 [17:33:57] <misterbee> because i'm nebiw
2586 [17:34:18] <jubo2> petn-randall: thanks!
2587 [17:34:34] <petn-randall> misterbee: That's ok, but if you don't know the answer you don't need to answer. Imagine what would happen if all 1000+ users would say "don't know" to every question ...
2588 [17:34:35] <eumel> a2disconf
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2590 [17:34:45] <eumel> a2disconf is the counterpart for a2enconf
2591 [17:34:50] <jubo2> Than ks
2592 [17:35:17] <misterbee> hahha...i aggree mister petn-randall...my logic is bad..i'm sorry..hehe
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2598 [17:37:05] <rindolf> Hi all! Where can I find the patch for replaced-url
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2605 [17:38:32] <eumel> the site mentions that there's a fix in the repositories for jessie
2606 [17:39:09] <techno29001> I have to go, thank you for your help
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2609 [17:40:06] <rindolf> eumel: I want to port it to a different Linux distribution
2610 [17:40:20] <petn-randall> rindolf: Probably by running 'apt-get source gst-plugins-bad0.10', and looking into the changelog. It's probably under debian/patches/ if the maintainer is tidy.
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2613 [17:40:29] <eumel> rindolf: ah, that's why you're searching on github ..
2614 [17:40:32] <rindolf> petn-randall: ok.
2615 [17:40:37] <petn-randall> rindolf: Doesn't upstream have a patch?
2616 [17:40:41] <rindolf> eumel: it's not github
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2618 [17:40:52] <rindolf> petn-randall: not yet I think
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2621 [17:41:09] <rindolf> eumel: it's only git
2622 [17:41:11] <petn-randall> rindolf: Could be that Debian just patched it out, don't have access to the changelog yet.
2623 [17:41:24] <eumel> rindolf: but where's the repo you've mentioned hosted at?
2624 [17:41:28] <petn-randall> as in patched support for that file format out.
2625 [17:41:48] <rindolf> eumel: git://anonscm.debian.org/pkg-gstreamer/gst-plugins-bad0.10.git
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2627 [17:42:52] <Paolo_> Hi
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2630 [17:43:55] <Paolo_> I would like to know which Bluetooth USB pen work on GNU/linux Debian
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2636 [17:44:34] <eumel> rindolf: ah i see
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2643 [17:46:01] <Paolo_> Which Bluetooth USB pen work on GNU/linux Debian
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2646 [17:46:22] <plasmoduck> most
2647 [17:46:51] <plasmoduck> Paolo_, just google it
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2649 [17:47:09] <Paolo_> I haven't found nothing
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2658 [17:50:31] <plasmoduck> Client: HexChat 2.12.0 • OS: Debian stretch/sid • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz (1.60GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.5 GiB Total (6.8 GiB Free) Swap: 15.6 GiB Total (15.6 GiB Free) • Storage: 223.3 GB / 1.9 TB (1.7 TB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GK104 [GeForce GTX 670] @ Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family DRAM Controller • Uptime: 50m 4s
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2662 [17:52:38] <eumel> hey @all, i'd like to spend some freetime in development for the debian project, can you give me a hint for a good starting-point?
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2665 [17:53:25] <eumel> i've read the contribute tutorials but couldn't get a grip on that, i'm trying to take part in the discussions on this irc channel for a while now, but i'd like to give something back to this awesome os
2666 [17:54:04] <password2> replaced-url
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2676 [17:58:16] <eumel> no one's eager to get some help here?
2677 [17:58:32] <jjulian> i installed cups with dpkg -i manually with a deb file. Afterwards cups only runs (but then without any issue) if i start it manually after boot? The files are located in /etc/rc5.d/S04Cups. After a fresh reboot and a `sudo systemctl` i cant locate the service cups. BUT after a `systemctl enable cups` its starting and im able to find it in the list of services. And then after a reboot its again gone from systemctl cal
2678 [17:58:32] <jjulian> l. Any ideas? i did a `dpkg-reconfigure cups` and a `updaterc.d cups defaults` still no luck to have it started after boot.
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2681 [17:59:22] <jjulian> im completely lost why cups is not started at boot.
2682 [17:59:26] <eumel> can you check systemctl is-enabled cups?
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2686 [18:00:21] <jjulian> eumel: gives me enabled
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2690 [18:01:23] <eumel> can you find it under systemctl list-unit-files with an enabled flag?
2691 [18:01:32] <jjulian> replaced-url
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2693 [18:02:03] <jjulian> eumel: ive to start it until im able to find the service
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2695 [18:02:29] <eumel> jjulian: have you checked the rc script's permissions?
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2697 [18:02:38] <eumel> jjulian: maybe it's not executable
2698 [18:02:51] <jjulian> eumel: i manually edited the /etc/init.d/cups file to echo out some debug texts. But it never actually got executed.
2699 [18:03:04] <jjulian> eumel: but why should systemd then be able to launch it? going to check
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2701 [18:03:29] <jjulian> eumel: now its rwx-rx-rx
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2703 [18:03:39] <rindolf> petn-randall: thanks! I found it
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2706 [18:03:51] <jjulian> eumel: now i have to reboot to compare. sec :P
2707 [18:03:55] <petn-randall> rindolf: So was it fixed or patched out?
2708 [18:04:20] <rindolf> petn-randall: fixed
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2712 [18:06:39] <jjulian> eumel: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2.9K Nov 18 16:16 /etc/init.d/cups even after a reboot
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2719 [18:07:33] <eumel> jjulian: strange, can you find the systemd unit file for cups?
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2721 [18:08:01] <eumel> jjulian: you should find the start option there, maybe this helps to get a bit further
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2725 [18:11:12] <jjulian> no there is not systemd service file
2726 [18:11:19] <jjulian> theres only the sysV
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2729 [18:13:16] <eumel> where's the deb file you've installed from?
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2732 [18:14:41] <dob1> to install debian(last one) on an ssd there are something different to do that an installation on an hdd?
2733 [18:14:47] <dob1> *there
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2735 [18:14:59] <eumel> dob1: no
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2738 [18:15:15] <dob1> eumel, no driver, firmware, whatever, right?
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2740 [18:15:35] <eumel> dob1: i'm running debian on a macbook pro with an ssd from 2014, works like a charm
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2743 [18:15:44] <dob1> eumel, ok thanks
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2745 [18:16:15] <nkuttler> dob1: noatime can be useful, not sure though about modern ssds
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2747 [18:16:39] <dob1> nkuttler, and left some unpartitioned space?
2748 [18:16:59] <nkuttler> dob1: never heard of that, what would that do?
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2750 [18:17:11] <nkuttler> dob1: see also replaced-url
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2753 [18:17:25] <dob1> nkuttler, it call it overprosioning
2754 [18:17:27] <SuperTramp83> afaik all har drives have their own proprietary firmware, hence they work no matter the distro.
2755 [18:17:31] <jjulian> eumel: i was wrong ive got one at /usr/lib/
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2758 [18:18:03] <jjulian> eumel: and even the printer target wants it
2759 [18:18:03] <eumel> jjulian: what's it starting the service from?
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2763 [18:18:32] <jjulian> eumel: what do you mean with "what is it starting from"?
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2765 [18:19:09] <chiggins> Question. What package do I need to install to use the "realm" command?
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2767 [18:19:34] <eumel> jjulian: i meant what is the ExecStart command in the unit file?
2768 [18:19:47] <nkuttler> !tell chiggins about apt-file
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2770 [18:20:03] <jjulian> Eumel: `/usr/sbin/cupsd -f` looks fine to me
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2774 [18:20:39] <jjulian> eumel: and runs fine as root
2775 [18:20:43] <eumel> jjulian: for me too
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2778 [18:21:53] <jjulian> i think its weird that systemd does not seem to keep the state for it or does not execute it
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2780 [18:22:07] <jjulian> eumel: im not sure which one is true
2781 [18:22:09] <chiggins> nkuttler: guess the bot didn't wanna tell me, but thanks for apt-file anyway :)
2782 [18:22:12] <eumel> it's losing the enabled state on boot?
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2786 [18:23:18] <petn-randall> chiggins: Bonus, if you install 'command-not-found' and run 'update-command-not-found' once, it will tell you if you run a command that doesn't exist yet. So just run 'realm', and it will suggest the package to install.
2787 [18:23:48] <eumel> jjulian: can you find a link to the cups.service in /etc/systemd/system/printer.target.wants?
2788 [18:24:33] <jjulian> eumal: ls /etc/systemd/system/printer.target.wants/ results in: cups.service
2789 [18:24:50] <jjulian> however i managed to tab complete to eumal
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2793 [18:26:38] <jjulian> eumel: replaced-url
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2807 [18:30:14] <SuperTramp83> petn-randall: is a reboot required for apt-file to work?
2808 [18:30:27] <petn-randall> SuperTramp83: no
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2811 [18:30:57] <SuperTramp83> heh, petn-randall, just needed to close terminal and reopen it..
2812 [18:31:06] <SuperTramp83> tx, useful tip
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2818 [18:32:32] <eumel> jjulian: are there any errors in you're system logs?
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2820 [18:32:56] <petn-randall> SuperTramp83: You're welcome
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2823 [18:33:58] <eumel> jjulian: /var/log/cups/error_log for example?
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2826 [18:35:17] <jjulian> eumel: no errors in there
2827 [18:35:28] <jjulian> eumel: and none in the syslog or journald
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2830 [18:36:21] <eumel> really strange. it's starting without errors but systemd is resetting the enabled state on boot
2831 [18:36:25] <plasmoduck> m
2832 [18:36:29] <plasmoduck> munt -t cifs -o user=cjg //192.168.0.12/ /media/storage/
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2835 [18:37:00] <plasmoduck> Password for cjg@//192.168.0.12/: ********
2836 [18:37:00] <plasmoduck> Unable to find suitable address.
2837 [18:37:04] <plasmoduck> wtf
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2841 [18:38:50] <eumel> jjulian: you can increase the loglevel of systemd in /etc/systemd/system.conf, set LogLevel=debug and LogTarget=syslog-or-kmsg
2842 [18:38:51] <jelly> plasmoduck: missing the share name? //192.168.0.12/ should probably be //192.168.0.12/something
2843 [18:38:57] <jjulian> eumel: i think i get it
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2845 [18:39:08] <jjulian> the service file does NOT have a wantedby multiuser level
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2849 [18:39:28] <eumel> jjulian: ah i see, that could be the reason
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2852 [18:39:51] <jjulian> its only wanted by printer target
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2856 [18:40:42] <eumel> and that's not enabled?
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2858 [18:41:05] <jjulian> eumel: i tried to enable it and got a error that specials aren;t to be enabled
2859 [18:41:14] <tyfanch> hi !
2860 [18:41:26] <tyfanch> do you know amule ?
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2862 [18:42:11] <jjulian> eumel: thats it WantedBy multi-user.target did the trick
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2865 [18:42:42] <eumel> jjulian: replaced-url
2866 [18:43:03] <eumel> jjulian: printer.target get's started when you're plugging a printer in
2867 [18:43:09] <eumel> jjulian: or should be
2868 [18:43:17] <jjulian> ahhh i only have a pdf printer
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2870 [18:43:25] <jjulian> so i guess i need to manually start it
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2874 [18:46:06] <eumel> jjulian: it's loading on my system without any issues after a reboot without a printer
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2876 [18:46:32] <jjulian> eumel: whats the content of your cups.service? and what is your runlevel?
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2882 [18:48:16] <eumel> jjulian: replaced-url
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2884 [18:48:35] <eumel> jjulian: i'm booting to multi-user.target
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2891 [18:49:42] <jjulian> same here
2892 [18:49:44] <eumel> jjulian: and that's cups.socket replaced-url
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2894 [18:50:09] <jjulian> eumel: cups.socket and cups.path boot aboslutely fine
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2897 [18:50:57] <jjulian> eumel: socket service looks alique
2898 [18:51:03] <jjulian> alike damn it.
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2905 [18:53:48] <eumel> jjulian: check this: replaced-url
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2909 [18:54:39] <jjulian> eumel: yeah that seems to be it
2910 [18:54:45] <eumel> jjulian: the second post is true for me, i've also got cups-browsed installed by dependencies from the repositories
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2912 [18:55:04] <jjulian> i dont have any cups/d*
2913 [18:55:29] <eumel> jjulian: there are some steps mentioned there to get it running, can you try that and give us a confirmation for that?
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2922 [18:58:21] <jjulian> eumel: have no cups-browsed installed sofar
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2931 [19:01:27] <jjulian> eumel: but here really cups is not runnung unlike in that thread where its missing on the wrong port.
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2933 [19:01:53] <jjulian> eumel: yes changing the pathexists glob to path exists without /d* everythings fine afetr boot
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2935 [19:02:42] <eumel> jjulian: so we've got it fixed?
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2937 [19:03:45] <jjulian> im asking myself whats the better fix. Keep the service file as is. OR have a file created which name starts with a "d" :P
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2940 [19:04:16] <jjulian> damn that would be the same fix. I mean change the service file or keep it as is and add that directory where its expected
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2946 [19:06:35] <eumel> jjulian: either way seems to be acceptable for me
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2953 [19:08:36] <wegg> With the latest Google Chrome, mouse hovering has stopped working correctly. Has this been noticed/resolved?
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2957 [19:09:17] <_strange> I have decent internet connection, buy my apt-get downloading speed is extremely slow. a few B/s. On the other hand, when i wget some file directly from the repository the speed is fine.
2958 [19:09:26] <_strange> why?
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2960 [19:09:40] <figiel> _strange: different proxy settings for wget and apt?
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2963 [19:10:24] <_strange> figiel: hm.. interesting. i'll have a look. thanks.
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2968 [19:11:49] <figiel> _strange: also it's possible that the name used in apt source resolved to different IP address.
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2982 [19:16:04] <eumel> pwd
2983 [19:16:09] <eumel> sry
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2988 [19:17:41] <wegg> Solved: Unchecked use hardware acceleration in Chrome's settings.
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2993 [19:18:06] <r3> I know some folks get a twisted sense of joy out of making the perfect regex, and I totally understand it... was wondering if anyone could help me improve upon this statement: tac /var/log/piaware.log | grep dump1090 | tr -dc '0-9 ' | awk '{ print $5 }' ... something to run every 5 minutes and pull a number out of that log (I can provide a sample of the log if it would help)
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2995 [19:19:02] <Walakea> what is the name of the SDL.h package?
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2997 [19:19:10] <Walakea> libsdl2-dev?
2998 [19:19:10] <greycat> r3: Why every 5 minutes? Why not CONTINUOUSLY by piping from tail -F logfile? And yes, you would need to show the file format to get a correctly written parser.
2999 [19:19:48] <noahmg123> Bluetooth won't turn on
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3001 [19:20:02] <r3> greycat: 'cause it is going to be piped into a graphing package to graph that number. Also, the logfile with the number I am after isn't updated more frequently than that.
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3006 [19:20:28] <greycat> Is the log APPENDED TO, or is it completely OVERWRITTEN, every 5 minutes? What's writing or clobbering it?
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3015 [19:21:37] <r3> it is appended to, and isn't ever clobbered as far as I can tell (it has data from October in it)
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3018 [19:22:01] <greycat> Then you should be using tail -F, in order to get only the most recently written lines, instead of ALL of the lines.
3019 [19:22:03] <r3> here is a sample of the log: replaced-url
3020 [19:22:31] <greycat> So, on the lines that contain "from dump1090", what do you want to do?
3021 [19:22:33] <r3> I had started with: tail /var/log/piaware.log | grep dump1090 | tail -n1 | tr -dc '0-9 ' | awk '{ print $5 }'
3022 [19:22:34] <r3> ... but didn't like the two 'tail's
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3026 [19:23:03] <r3> pull the number out ...(793 in last 5m)... would be 793
3027 [19:23:16] <r3> thanks, by the way, greycat, I sure appreciate your input
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3036 [19:26:37] <greycat> Gah, ERE syntax is being a bitch. Please wait.
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3042 [19:27:52] <greycat> re='from dump1090 \(([0-9]+) in' ; tail -F logfile | while read -r line; do if [[ $line =~ $re ]]; then echo "${BASH_REMATCH[1]}"; fi; done
3043 [19:28:10] <_strange> figiel: how could name could be resolved to different ip? i have no proxy settings for apt.
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3045 [19:28:32] <r3> is that fewer processes than what I started with? Not that it will make a lot of difference if it is only run once every 5 minutes, but - you know - I like to be neat about it
3046 [19:28:39] <greycat> That will dump your number as soon as it's written to the log. If you need to somehow delay the dumping of this number or something, THAT becomes a much harder problem.
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3049 [19:29:10] <greycat> It's not about how many processes so much as about not being an idiotic approach that rereads the ENTIRE log file every time and has a weird delay.
3050 [19:29:12] <jhutchins> _strange: Distributed service. Several of the source URLs will resolve to different servers to distribute the load.
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3053 [19:29:33] <jhutchins> _strange: I know we had geo location at one time too, not sure if we still do.
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3055 [19:30:00] <greycat> If your actual goal is to take "the most recent number, every 5 minutes", then use that loop to continuously read the file and dump the current number to a file (no other content in the file), and then set up a 5-minute cron job to read that file into your rrd database or whatever.
3056 [19:30:12] <r3> thanks for that, greycat, but I might take a different approach. See, the graphing software is going to call an executable file every 5 minutes, and expects a plain output (see: munin) ... so it really isn't required to use 'tail -f', but rather something that will just spit out the number when asked
3057 [19:30:49] <r3> I should have been clearer. My bad.
3058 [19:30:52] <greycat> If you want "plain output, once every 5 minutes", then what I've done is fine. Just echo "${BASH_REMATCH[1]}" > myplainfile inside the loop. Voila.
3059 [19:30:53] <eumel> jjulian: afk, good luck buddy
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3064 [19:32:14] <greycat> Well, to be absolutely 100% correct, you should write the new value to myplainfile.tmp and then mv myplainfile.tmp myplainfile. That'll avoid the very small but real chance of the cron job reading the file JUST as it's being overwritten.
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3067 [19:33:15] <greycat> Daemon, in bash: re='from dump1090 \(([0-9]+) in' ; tail -F logfile | while read -r line; do if [[ $line =~ $re ]]; then echo "${BASH_REMATCH[1]}" > plain.tmp && mv plain.tmp plain; fi; done
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3070 [19:33:30] <r3> so, the way munin does things is that it runs a script (can be in bash, perl, python, whatever) every 5 minutes and takes the output of that script as the data to graph. I don't think it looks in files, or I am not sure how to get it to read a value from a file. While I understand and appreciate the correctness of your approach, it isn't what munin is looking for (I don't think - with my
3071 [19:33:31] <r3> limited understanding of how it works)
3072 [19:33:32] <greycat> Cronjob: rrdplot whatever blah blah "$(< plain)"
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3074 [19:34:07] <greycat> You have a daemon running continuously, forever, to parse the log into the plain file. The cronjob command reads the value from the plain file.
3075 [19:34:25] <greycat> Parsing the ENTIRE FILE every 5 minutes is stupid.
3076 [19:34:50] <r3> yeah, no need to do the whole file. I thought 'tail' just peeked at the end of it, rather than the whole thing
3077 [19:35:01] <greycat> tail -F reads continuously.
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3079 [19:35:33] <greycat> But if you INSIST on this stupid "I can't have a daemon, I have to run a whole newbie command every 5 minutes, I can't have any stateful processing" then ignore me.
3080 [19:35:37] <r3> I meant just 'tail'. Is that your objection to what I had pasted? That 'tail' is parsing the whole file?
3081 [19:36:04] <greycat> Do whatever you want. Clearly you're more interested in being newbie-friendly than in being efficient.
3082 [19:36:10] <r3> no, greycat, you've the proper approach, totally, I see what you are driving at
3083 [19:37:36] <r3> it just happens to not directly integrate with the way that munin seems to do things. As far as being newbie-friendly, I wouldn't know about that, as I am in no way an expert, but far from a newbie.
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3089 [19:38:08] <greycat> I don't know anything about munin. I'm assuming a Debian computer that can do normal things like running a daemon that you wrote in bash.
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3096 [19:41:50] <figiel> _strange: some names (especially for services hosted on cdns) may resolve to various different ip addresses depending on various factors.
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3100 [19:43:07] <r3> while I can immediately grok the correctness of your answer, the whole exercise is to get a number that munin can use. That may limit the ways in which one can do things; such as a cron job, a daemon, and temp files, might be outside the scope of what munin is expecting, at least on the surface and from a cursory examination of its documentation. I appreciate your reply and will see if there
3101 [19:43:07] <r3> is a way to get munin to work better with this approach. it might be something as simple as having munin call a script that just 'cat myplainfile'
3102 [19:43:34] <greycat> Are you writing this for YOU, or for someone else?
3103 [19:43:50] <r3> just me, but might see wider exposure
3104 [19:44:14] <greycat> Is munin something like ssh from a central locus to umpteen remote systems and retrieve values from each system?
3105 [19:44:33] <r3> I put the question to this channel as I know how much fun folks have fiddling with things like regex :)
3106 [19:44:43] <digdilem> greycat, yes. munin-client runs on remotes or the local systems
3107 [19:44:58] <r3> I think that there is a local agent that runs on the 'nodes' and then reports values back to the 'master'
3108 [19:45:00] <digdilem> that's what runs the plugins which gather various datapoints
3109 [19:45:09] <greycat> So the daemon runs on the remote and keeps the simple text file up to date, and the munin job simply does "cat plainfile"
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3111 [19:45:38] <r3> that would seem to be it, yes
3112 [19:45:49] <digdilem> the server bit is run by cron and gets data directly from the clients, then stuffs them into rrd databases. it optionally renders graphs (or they can be done by cgi(
3113 [19:46:38] <digdilem> it also has rudimentary alerting if values go out of range (disk space, load etc)
3114 [19:46:39] <r3> I found it (munin) to be very nice to set up and started getting usable graphs quite quickly, compared to some other packages I've fooled with
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3116 [19:46:53] <digdilem> r3, yes, i like it a lot too.
3117 [19:47:04] <r3> thanks, digdilem, for your input, I've become a fan of it
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3119 [19:47:29] <r3> I thought that the way you just put a link in a directory to tell munin to include data from something was rather clever
3120 [19:47:31] <digdilem> :)
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3124 [19:48:06] <r3> and the included wildcard munin scripts seem to be rather powerful as well
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3126 [19:48:29] <r3> thanks, greycat, I will try out what you've outlined. Cheers! :)
3127 [19:48:59] <_strange> jhutchins: i've checked it. american ftp address resolved to american ip.
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3129 [19:50:40] <jjulian> eumel: thanks for your help
3130 [19:50:52] <r3> greycat: I may need to tweak your script as it seems to spit out 3 numbers at once ... (will have to wait 5 minutes to see the log updated)
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3132 [19:51:51] <greycat> line="11/18/2016 18:06:12 1468119 msgs recv'd from dump1090 (891 in last 5m); ..." ; re='from dump1090 \(([0-9]+) in' ; [[ $line =~ $re ]] && declare -p BASH_REMATCH
3133 [19:51:56] <greycat> declare -ar BASH_REMATCH='([0]="from dump1090 (891 in" [1]="891")'
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3136 [19:52:37] <greycat> [1] is always going to be a value matching [0-9]+
3137 [19:52:57] <_strange> jhutchins: and the same speed with that ip address when usiing wget...
3138 [19:53:52] <_strange> jhutchins: i mean wget's speed is fine
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3140 [19:54:12] <r3> I think it going ok now, thanks again, greycat
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3143 [19:54:47] <r3> I will google for the proper way to daemonize the script so that it always runs and starts when the system starts up. I've done that in the past, but can't remember exactly how at the moment.
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3148 [19:55:59] <greycat> Which version of Debian? Or for simple things, you can launch it from /etc/rc.local or from a cron job with @reboot.
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3151 [19:56:51] <r3> jessie. Looking now. rc.local might be it :)
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3154 [19:57:08] <greycat> With jessie you have the option to write a systemd unit file, but that may be overkill.
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3157 [19:57:36] <r3> aw why stop now? ;)
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3159 [19:58:09] <r3> just teasing. Yeah, probably a bit much :) heh
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3248 [20:49:34] <LaptopBrain> hmm, in debian is there any reason it keeps /boot/efi mounted constantly?
3249 [20:49:47] <LaptopBrain> surely it makes sense to only mount it when you want to upgrade the kernel/grub?
3250 [20:50:12] <babilen> Doesn't that hold true of everything?
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3358 [21:35:03] <ewil> Hello :)
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3361 [21:37:07] <ewil> I have a question about UIs
3362 [21:37:35] <ewil> I have access to a VPS with debian on it.
3363 [21:37:46] <ewil> I would like to install some standalone browser, if that's possible
3364 [21:37:52] <ewil> and access that browser via VNC
3365 [21:37:58] <greycat> That sounds insane.
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3367 [21:38:05] <jelly> graphical browser?
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3369 [21:38:09] <jhutchins> ewil: What do you mean by stand alone?
3370 [21:38:26] <ewil> I was hoping to get a window manager, and have the browser render itself
3371 [21:38:39] <greycat> Why do you want to do this?
3372 [21:38:56] <jelly> ewil: the usual setup is to make some sort of proxy, then point your normal browser to use it
3373 [21:39:18] <greycat> Normal meaning the browser runs on your local machine.
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3378 [21:40:10] <jelly> the proxy can be as simple as ssh client with DynamicForward (that is, ssh acting as socks4 proxy)
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3380 [21:40:23] <greycat> ssh -N -D someport you@your.vps
3381 [21:40:31] <jelly> there's some dns leakage but meh
3382 [21:40:33] <greycat> tell browser to use SOCKS proxy localhost:someport
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3385 [21:41:31] <jelly> putty has the same functionality
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3395 [21:43:24] <ewil> Thanks, guys.
3396 [21:43:26] <ewil> appreciated :)
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3405 [21:46:12] <random_numbers> So I apparently get kernel panic when I try to resume from hibernate.
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3407 [21:46:19] <random_numbers> What could be causing this?
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3417 [21:48:23] <ksft-mobile> I'm now unable to connect to wifi.
3418 [21:48:35] <ksft-mobile> I was able to a couple weeks ago or so.
3419 [21:48:42] <ksft-mobile> I'm not sure what we
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3421 [21:48:47] <ksft-mobile> what changed*
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3424 [21:49:34] <ksft-mobile> `nmcli d` lists eth0 and lo
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3428 [21:50:23] <ksft-mobile> lspci lists my network card
3429 [21:50:23] <random_numbers> No one has an idea what could cause kernel-panic on resume-from-hibernate on a laptop?
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3433 [21:50:47] <random_numbers> Check your configs with 'iwconfig <devicename>'
3434 [21:50:58] <random_numbers> Is the mode and settings alright?
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3436 [21:51:31] <ksft-mobile> what's 'devicename'?
3437 [21:51:45] <random_numbers> In your case eth0, apparently.
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3439 [21:51:58] <random_numbers> I hadn't noticed you named it before.
3440 [21:51:59] <greycat> Isn't wireless supposed to have like wlan0 or something?
3441 [21:52:09] <random_numbers> ^
3442 [21:52:29] <ksft-mobile> yeah, that's the problem
3443 [21:52:34] <ksft-mobile> there's no wlan0
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3445 [21:54:05] <ksft-mobile> `iwconfig wlan0` says "No such device"
3446 [21:54:11] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: ifconfig -a might list it.
3447 [21:54:14] <ZeroBeholder> Howdy party people -- so I was happy with a start up script for an instance that exported some environment variables-- until it rebooted and all my environment variables seemed to vaporize (since I wasn't instantiating the server anymore). Is there a way to just add my environment variables to /etc/environment and -- nevermind, I got it. Put all my environment variables in /etc/environment,...
3448 [21:54:16] <ZeroBeholder> ...then loop over the values in a while loop and export each one. Upon reboot PAM will pick them up.
3449 [21:54:41] <ZeroBeholder> Anyone have a better idea?
3450 [21:54:51] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: Need to look through the output of dmesg (dmesg | less) and see what's not happy.
3451 [21:55:39] <ksft-mobile> jhutchins: it doesn't
3452 [21:56:33] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: It's not loading the kernel module for it then. Does lspci -nn show it? If so, paste the eight-character pciid.
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3456 [21:57:43] <ksft-mobile> jhutchins: "08:00.0"?
3457 [21:57:52] <ksft-mobile> that's seven characters…
3458 [21:58:19] <ksft-mobile> not sure what I'm looking for
3459 [21:58:36] <ksft-mobile> I see it listed
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3468 [22:01:01] <ksft-mobile> oh!
3469 [22:01:05] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: Make sure you use -nn and look for [xxxX:xxxx]
3470 [22:01:23] <ksft-mobile> jhutchins: 14e4:43b1
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3473 [22:01:38] <jhutchins> ,pciid 14e4:43b1
3474 [22:01:39] <judd> [14e4:43b1] is 'BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Broadcom Limited' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also replaced-url
3475 [22:02:01] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: Odd that it used to work...
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3477 [22:02:31] <ksft-mobile> I've had similar problems before, but I definitely got it working
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3482 [22:03:37] <greycat> Do you remember how you got it to work?
3483 [22:04:14] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: According to this that's supported by the wl driver: replaced-url
3484 [22:04:48] <ksft-mobile> greycat: no
3485 [22:05:01] <ksft-mobile> except thar it was by asking here
3486 [22:05:04] <ksft-mobile> that*
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3488 [22:05:25] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: Looks like you're going to have to hunt through dmesg and see what it says about it.
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3490 [22:06:29] <ksft-mobile> What am I looking for?
3491 [22:06:42] <random_numbers> So... the kernel panic only happens on my laptop. My desktop has no such issue. Both are x86_64 compatible and using the appropriate jessie version with the same kernel.
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3493 [22:07:25] <greycat> random_numbers: you... do a hibernate on your desktop computer? I don't even know what a hibernate *is* except I think it's something to do with laptops.
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3495 [22:07:46] <random_numbers> Save ram to disk, shutdown. It restores the session from the disk back into ram on startup.
3496 [22:07:57] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: Ah, wl is a dkms driver, you probably updated your kernel.
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3498 [22:08:04] <random_numbers> I tried on the desktop because I wanted to see if it would panic too. It didn't.
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3500 [22:08:31] <ksft-mobile> jhutchins: what does that mean?
3501 [22:08:39] <ksft-mobile> or: how do I fix it?
3502 [22:08:48] <jhutchins> random_numbers: That's fairly common, but with no common cause I know of. The suspend feature is implemented differently by different manufacturers (and even within the same model sometimes). Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
3503 [22:08:48] <greycat> Redo the dkms thing for your new kernel.
3504 [22:09:04] <random_numbers> jhutchins: So it's a hardware-specific screw-up?
3505 [22:09:15] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: Start by reading through that page.
3506 [22:09:15] <ksft-mobile> what's 'the dkms thing'?
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3508 [22:09:46] <jhutchins> ,v broadcom-sta-dkms
3509 [22:09:47] <judd> Package: broadcom-sta-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 5.100.82.112-8; jessie/non-free: 6.30.223.248-3; jessie-backports/non-free: 6.30.223.271-2~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 6.30.223.271-4; stretch/non-free: 6.30.223.271-4
3510 [22:10:08] <ksft-mobile> jhutchins: should I follow the instructions there?
3511 [22:10:45] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: I would certainly try that AFTER reading through the output of dmesg.
3512 [22:10:51] <greycat> I'm still waiting for some comment like "Oh yeah, I did upgrade from jessie to stretch, do you think that might have made a difference"
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3516 [22:11:17] <ksft-mobile> greycat: I haven't, as far as I know
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3520 [22:11:44] <ksft-mobile> I might've run `apt-get upgrade`
3521 [22:12:13] <random_numbers> I think upgrading to another distro version is a tad more complicated.
3522 [22:12:26] <missmbob> with what in your sources.list?
3523 [22:12:45] <ksft-mobile> I don't know what I'm looking for in dmesg
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3527 [22:14:26] <ksft-mobile> I can't easily pastebin it
3528 [22:14:30] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: Things that mention wifi, broadcom, or the card id.
3529 [22:14:44] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: Nope, you page through it with something like less and read.
3530 [22:14:58] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: You learn a bit about what goes on in your system doing that.
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3532 [22:15:20] <ksft-mobile> I meant I can't easily pastebin my sources.list
3533 [22:15:40] <ksft-mobile> I would love to learn about what the stuff in dmesg means
3534 [22:15:41] <random_numbers> So, assuming the hibernate/suspend-to-disk feature is not properly implemented in my BIOS, how would I go about fixing that? (I presume that means messing about the kernel.)
3535 [22:15:42] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: If you think that's bad have a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
3536 [22:16:06] <ksft-mobile> jhutchins: I have. I've had problems (that I still haven't fixed) with that too
3537 [22:16:36] <jhutchins> random_numbers: Probably not. I would also point you to the dmesg output, although the problem kills the logs which makes it difficult. Also search for your hardware model + linux on the web.
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3540 [22:17:20] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: dmesg mostly makes sense if you read it carefully. I've been known to grab a line and paste it into google.
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3542 [22:17:24] <n4dir> might be i am confused, but iirc i grep for EE when using dmesg (well: rather do /EE from less).
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3544 [22:17:47] <n4dir> if i recall correct that indicates Errors
3545 [22:17:52] <ksft-mobile> "firmware: failed to load brcm/BCM20702A1-0489-e07a.hcd (-2)"?
3546 [22:18:05] <jhutchins> n4dir: EE us for Xorg.0.log
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3548 [22:18:16] <jhutchins> !firmware
3549 [22:18:17] <dpkg> Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. replaced-url
3550 [22:18:20] <n4dir> jhutchins: there we go. tnx
3551 [22:18:31] <jhutchins> !broadcom
3552 [22:18:31] <dpkg> Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43>, <brcmsmac>, <rndis_wlan>, <wl>. For Ethernet controller support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>.
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3555 [22:19:13] <jhutchins> !wl
3556 [22:19:13] <dpkg> Broadcom's proprietary wireless LAN driver (wl, aka broadcom-sta) supports devices based on the Broadcom BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4313, BCM4321, BCM4322, BCM43224, BCM43225, BCM43227, BCM43228, BCM43142, BCM4331, BCM4352 and BCM4360 chips. To install (amd64 and i386 only), see replaced-url
3557 [22:19:19] <jhutchins> Sorry dpkg.
3558 [22:19:47] <jhutchins> Hey, there we are right back at the first link.
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3560 [22:20:16] <ksft-mobile> I don't see anything obviously about wifi in dmesg
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3562 [22:20:22] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: You might have to do some digging to find that firmware, or it might be in the Debian non-free packages.
3563 [22:20:40] <ksft-mobile> what firmware?
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3565 [22:21:03] <greycat> The one your error message mentioned.
3566 [22:21:06] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: The firmware that failed to load, which will prevent the wifi from showing up.
3567 [22:21:12] <ksft-mobile> oh!
3568 [22:21:52] <n4dir> entering "your chip + debian" in a searchengine usually points you to the according debian-wiki page.
3569 [22:21:53] <ksft-mobile> I thought wl was the firmware that runs the network card
3570 [22:21:59] <greycat> It would be pretty weird if a firmware package suddenly *stopped* being installed.
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3572 [22:22:18] <greycat> Well, we'll never know because he's not going to tell us what he did.
3573 [22:22:25] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: wl is the kernel module.
3574 [22:22:45] <n4dir> my broadcom suddeny stopped to work on debian stable too, i didn't investigate. And there was just a thread at forums debian about broadcom (i didn't read it).
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3576 [22:24:12] <random_numbers> The only 'definite' answer I can find is some russian site that lists a bunch of dell laptops and says that power-management hybrid-suspend and hibernate don't work.
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3580 [22:25:19] <random_numbers> A quick 'search' in the page seems to indicate this is a rather common problem with dell wares.
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3583 [22:25:33] <random_numbers> What do I do now?
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3593 [22:29:21] <ksft-mobile> oh…it says "bluetooth hci0" before that dmesg thing I mentioned
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3595 [22:29:38] <greycat> I'd focus on installing that missing broadcom firmware file.
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3600 [22:31:18] <Smither> Hey. I've just upgraded my motherboard and CPU from a 3 core AMD to an intel i5 and when i boot it boots into initramfs and displays an error message about the disk uuid not existing. when i boot into a live system and check the uuid against the one it is trying to boot to it is the same. and i have set rootdelay incase the disk is just slow and that doesn't help.
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3603 [22:31:35] <ksft-mobile> greycat: How do I do that?
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3606 [22:31:59] <greycat> ,file BCM20702A1-0489-e07a.hcd
3607 [22:32:02] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
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3609 [22:32:12] <greycat> Bah, no telling whether that was even copied correctly.
3610 [22:32:18] <jhutchins> greycat: Isn't broadcom the one with the firmware cutter?
3611 [22:32:21] <ksft-mobile> checking…
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3613 [22:32:27] <greycat> How the hell would I know?
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3615 [22:32:38] <greycat> What's a firmware cutter?
3616 [22:32:40] <ryouma> Smither: what does your fstab do to reference it?
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3618 [22:32:55] <jelly> !fwcutter
3619 [22:33:03] <Smither> let me boot into live and check
3620 [22:33:11] <Smither> ryouma: ^
3621 [22:33:12] <jelly> dpkg: listvals fwcutt
3622 [22:33:14] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'fwcutt' by value (8): b43legacy ;; b43 firmware ;; bcm43xx-fwcutter #del# ;; fw10 ;; fw13 ;; b43-fwcutter ;; etchnhalf facts #del# ;; b43.
3623 [22:33:21] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: n4dir Broadcom is notoriously unreliable with Linux. Some of their NICs work fine, otheres are either a constant pain or a total mystery. One problem is that the hardware's inconsistent, even the pciid isn't ceartian.
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3625 [22:33:38] <n4dir> tnx jhutchins
3626 [22:33:40] <jelly> !b43-fwcutter
3627 [22:33:40] <dpkg> Device firmware required by the <b43> and <b43legacy> drivers is proprietary and unable to be distributed by the Debian Project. The b43-fwcutter utility (packaged in contrib) can extract this firmware from Broadcom's binary drivers. Debian packages to download, extract and install firmware are available; ask me about <contrib> and use «apt-cache search firmware-b43» to list. replaced-url
3628 [22:33:46] <jelly> ^^ that
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3630 [22:34:07] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: REad that.
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3636 [22:35:25] <Smither> ryouma: fstab line is "UUID=<big long uuid string> / ext4 0 1"
3637 [22:35:34] <ksft-mobile> should I try that?
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3639 [22:35:50] <Smither> the uuid matches /dev/sda1 which is the correct drive
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3643 [22:36:43] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: Read both the wl page and the bcm... page.
3644 [22:36:48] <ryouma> Smither: debian has really horrible error messages and stuff. i know that the kernel can be given args to set breakpoints in the scripts fwiw.
3645 [22:36:50] <ksft-mobile> I have
3646 [22:37:01] <ksft-mobile> mostly
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3648 [22:37:21] <ryouma> Smither: but file a bug against the lack of error message once you find the proble
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3650 [22:37:35] <ksft-mobile> okay, now I have
3651 [22:37:46] <Smither> the full message complains about missing modules.
3652 [22:38:01] <Smither> .....it is complaining about being unable to find modules ehci-pci, ehci-orion, ehci-hcd, and many others is this missing modules on my disk that it needs for the intel chip? if so how can i find these and get them onto the disk?
3653 [22:38:24] <ryouma> Smither: aha. but those sound unrelated to disks. :/
3654 [22:38:25] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: I'm kindof serious about reading through procedures and understanding what you're doing in the process before you start hacking away on stuff. Also, have a plan to UN-do the process if it ends up not working.
3655 [22:38:54] <ryouma> Smither: or maybe not. i misread them.
3656 [22:39:10] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: It's like reading through the log files. They seem like gobbeltygook at first, but they really do make sense if you're patient with them. Sometimes you have to look things up.
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3661 [22:39:50] <ksft-mobile> `apt-get purge firmware-b43-lpphy-installer` would undo it, right?
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3665 [22:40:43] <Smither> ryouma: full error, sorry it's an imgur not a log but i can't think of any way to get that to pastebin or anything --> imgur.com/oMIEnDI
3666 [22:41:05] <ksft-mobile> jhutchins: I would, but it's difficult to look things up when wifi isn't working and I don't have a convenient wired connection
3667 [22:41:23] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: True. Yet here you are.
3668 [22:42:11] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: purge would remove the command, but you'll want to keep track of files it downloads and where it puts things.
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3671 [22:42:47] <ksft-mobile> the things apt downloads, or the things that the thing apt installs downloads?
3672 [22:42:49] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: When I used it years ago, you downloade the Windows drivers from Broadcom and ran that program against a certain file, it created a firmware file.
3673 [22:43:06] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: Just pay attention, maybe keep notes.
3674 [22:43:07] <Smither> ryouma: last I is a l --> replaced-url
3675 [22:43:45] <ksft-mobile> to what it's doing?
3676 [22:43:53] <jhutchins> I've been doing deploys this week, keeping track if the implement/test/backout sections of the QA paperwork, my brain's just there now.
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3678 [22:44:53] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: Usually the worst case scenario for what you're doing would be some binary trash cluttering your computer that might need to be disabled or deleted.
3679 [22:45:05] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: Still, good practices.
3680 [22:45:19] <ksft-mobile> alright
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3682 [22:46:04] <ksft-mobile> I should try the instructions on the broadcom page before the instructions on the wl page, right?
3683 [22:46:51] <greycat> I would try whichever thing looks the most like it will create your missing firmware file that was mentioned in your error message.
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3685 [22:48:18] <ksft-mobile> I think that would be the broadcom thing
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3701 [22:52:20] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: I believe you need to do both things. You need the wl driver and the bcm firmwarer.
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3704 [22:52:43] <jhutchins> firmware
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3711 [22:55:10] <jhutchins> ksft-mobile: Firmware is binary code that controls certain features. On wifi, it controls frequencies and power levels to prevent the device from being used outside of the regulated specifications. They keep it proprietary to prevent people from hacking it and breaking the FCC laws.
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3715 [22:56:46] <jhutchins> I gotta go before the highway turns deadly, see you around.
3716 [22:56:58] <karlpinc> I've got a bunch of WAV audio files I want to convert to ALAC (Apple lossless), what tool should I use? (Preferably from the command line.) apt-cache rdepends libavcodec56 returns way too many hits. I'm running jessie.
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3718 [22:57:34] <karlpinc> When I get them in ALAC I'd like to put them all into some sort of container so that they're ordered. What to do?
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3720 [22:59:10] <ryouma> Smither: don't know. check /dev/disk/by-uuid symlinks to make sure they are there.
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3724 [23:01:51] <Smither> ryouma: yep it is there
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3730 [23:05:12] <ryouma> Smither: it took me months to debug my similar issue
3731 [23:05:17] <ryouma> but i think it is different
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3733 [23:06:02] <xepheratu> Hello.
3734 [23:06:45] <Smither> ryouma: found this page which recommends updating initramfs-tools so I'll give that a go. could it be that my cpu changed from amd to intel?
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3738 [23:06:57] <Smither> ryouma: -> replaced-url
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3759 [23:14:28] <LaptopBrain> aieeeee
3760 [23:14:31] <LaptopBrain> computer DISASTER
3761 [23:15:00] <LaptopBrain> i got a new server because my old laptop i was using as a server was failing, its cooling and fans were knackered and it would have cost more to replace them than buy like for like
3762 [23:15:07] <ryouma> Smither: dunno if ubuntu is the same as debian there or not
3763 [23:15:10] <LaptopBrain> so i got the new one, started copying...
3764 [23:15:17] <LaptopBrain> and the act of copying overheated the old machine :/
3765 [23:15:17] <ryouma> i'd like to think that some distro is better at that stuff than debian :/
3766 [23:15:32] <LaptopBrain> so im now hobbling on doing a copy with a usb enclosure, no dhcp or dns services :P
3767 [23:15:51] <rattking> LaptopBrain: is it cold in your locale? maybe put the laptop outside :)
3768 [23:15:55] <LaptopBrain> lol
3769 [23:16:02] <LaptopBrain> cold, but also too damp for electronics
3770 [23:16:26] <LaptopBrain> i just yanked its hard disk, luckily i saw this coming and got a new server, a proper one with redundant psus, raid 5, etc
3771 [23:16:31] <Smither> ryouma: Well i've found a link to update it, so I've taken a backup of the current one and I'll try it, can't hurt to try right :P
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3773 [23:17:31] <ryouma> Smither: so you will use debian live cd to upgrade initramfs-tools? not sure what one does to to that.
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3802 [23:29:57] <Smither> ryouma: multiple mounts, then chroot into the drive, then do it all from within there. but when i tried to do update-grub it doesn't seem to scan sda1 :/ and it says sda2 has an invalid boot sector even though there is no sda2 only 1 and 5
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3804 [23:30:42] <ryouma> what do you mean by multiple mounts
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3806 [23:31:04] <ryouma> i thought only drives had boot sectors? not partitions?
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3810 [23:33:16] <Smither> ryouma: --> replaced-url
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3823 [23:36:06] <Smither> ryouma: but it's mounted the drive as ro :/
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3838 [23:40:15] <Sia-> hi
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3841 [23:40:49] <Sia-> how can close terminal withput exit running script?
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3844 [23:42:44] <dutchfish> Sia-, if you meant, keep a script running in the background and closing your terminal, maybe use 'screen'.
3845 [23:43:09] <Sia-> dutchfish: yes i need that
3846 [23:43:12] <dutchfish> !screen
3847 [23:43:13] <dpkg> screen is a terminal multiplexor, allowing you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add key bindings, scroll back, copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or are disconnected. See /usr/share/doc/screen/README.Debian and ask about <screen tutorial>, <byobu>. See replaced-url
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3849 [23:44:48] <Sia-> dpkg
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3851 [23:45:32] <dutchfish> Sia-, dpkg is a bot use /msg dpkg [factoid]
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3861 [23:50:55] <Cmcewan> How do I append or add the current date and time to a file
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3869 [23:52:16] <dutchfish> Cmcewan, maybe `echo $(date) > [somefile]`
3870 [23:52:52] <dutchfish> Cmcewan, or better `echo $(date) >> [somefile]`
3871 [23:53:33] <missmbob> first one will delete whatever is already in the file
3872 [23:53:42] <dutchfish> missmbob, right
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3883 [23:57:15] <ryouma> don't include the
3884 [23:57:16] <ryouma> 1
3885 [23:57:17] <ryouma> `
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