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2 [00:00:35] <greycat> Scrolling back, he contradicted himself. At one point he said something wanted "mysql-client-core-5.5" and then later he said "mysql-client-5.5". The latter exists. The former DOES NOT.
3 [00:00:38] <helpwithsqueeze> sure replaced-url
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6 [00:02:02] <TomTomTosch> apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.5, please. and what does it complain about if you try installing mysql-server-5.5 manually?
7 [00:02:03] <helpwithsqueeze> and tried to install mysql-server-5.5 and the client and got this replaced-url
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10 [00:02:34] <greycat> Or see what you've got on hold. dpkg -l | grep ^h
11 [00:02:47] <helpwithsqueeze> TomTomTosch, replaced-url
12 [00:02:48] <greycat> 15. E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
13 [00:03:10] <helpwithsqueeze> dpkg -l | grep ^h doesnt give anything back
14 [00:03:10] <dpkg> ii | grep ^h doesnt give anything back 3.8-2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
15 [00:03:34] <sl4v3> ha.
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18 [00:04:19] <greycat> ,v libdbi-perl
19 [00:04:20] <judd> Package: libdbi-perl on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.622-1+deb7u1; jessie: 1.631-3+b1; stretch: 1.636-1+b1; sid: 1.636-1+b1
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21 [00:04:35] <greycat> You could keep chasing it until you find out where it's getting stuck.
22 [00:04:41] <TomTomTosch> helpwithsqueeze: same spiel with libdbi-perl. apt-cache policy libdbi-perl and what happens if you try to install it manually?
23 [00:04:44] <TomTomTosch> yeah ^^
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25 [00:05:18] <greycat> I suspect a post-wheezy package snuck in somewhere and turned this into a frankendebian.
26 [00:05:18] <helpwithsqueeze> ill try
27 [00:05:24] <helpwithsqueeze> so ill download libdbi-perl. apt-cache policy libdbi-perl ?
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29 [00:05:49] <TomTomTosch> not download, apt-get install it.
30 [00:05:49] <helpwithsqueeze> sorry, libdbi-perl
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33 [00:07:01] <helpwithsqueeze> replaced-url
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47 [00:11:26] <DexterF> evening. wanted to try the 4.7 kernel from backports, when issuing image/header/kbuild install command apt comes back with "needs linux-base 4.3, 3.5 is installed". is it safe to update linux-base?
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57 [00:15:04] <missmbob> yes
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59 [00:18:26] <donoban> hi, does anyone know the best way for get a kernel panic message? I'm currently using "tail -f /var/syslog"
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63 [00:18:40] <donoban> buy I thnkt it will probably fail
64 [00:18:51] <donoban> I have a monitor on a tty just waiting for the kernel panic
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102 [00:34:55] <helpwithsqueeze> if an installation is fucked up, is there a way to fix it? like a reset to restore default settings or something? or reinstalling is the only option?
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121 [00:39:21] <TomTomTosch> there is no automatic mechanism. you gave up on trying to install mysql?
122 [00:40:11] <TomTomTosch> "restore to default settings" is what backups are for :P
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129 [00:43:36] <abrotman> helpwithsqueeze: do you have any data you want to save? There is a confnew option for dpkg which will replace config files
130 [00:44:15] <helpwithsqueeze> abrotman, no,no need to save,how can ia pply it?
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155 [00:57:23] <d1z> how can I list all the packages that are installed?
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158 [00:57:46] <somiaj> d1z: dpkg -l (though this will list packages that may have config files left in the rc state)
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160 [00:57:53] <somiaj> d1z: there is also 'aptitude search ~i'
161 [00:57:59] <missmbob> dpkg -l |grep ^i
162 [00:57:59] <dpkg> No packages found matching |grep ^i
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169 [00:59:52] <d1z> why do I need the `|grep ^i`?
170 [01:00:07] <missmbob> so you dont get removed packages which left config files behind.
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172 [01:00:20] <missmbob> the grep will get you only currently installed
173 [01:01:19] <d1z> that is goofy. There should be a built in command that displays only installed packages without having to do any grepping
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175 [01:01:51] <d1z> I mean come on this is debian, the grandad of linux distributions
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177 [01:02:00] <somiaj> d1z: I use dpkg -l | grep ^rc from time to time to find out all the packages I still have config files sitting around for.
178 [01:02:21] <somiaj> d1z: dpkg -l only lists installed packages. But one installed state is removed but config files remain.
179 [01:02:31] <somiaj> d1z: aptitude search ~i also searches for all installed packages (what ~i means)
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182 [01:03:06] <somiaj> d1z: i.e. if you have config files still on your machine from a package. Is it installed or not?
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200 [01:10:53] <llldino> Hey guys, I'm trying to get pam_sshauth to work with sudo logins, but I'm having no such luck. It seems pam_sshauth succeeds in the authentication but I am still asked for my unix password anyways
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317 [02:07:36] <dmtd> Hi all, trying to install a package, already have openssl installed, and I'm getting this error: You must install the package that provides a 64-bit version of libcrypto.so.6 (openssl)
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322 [02:12:28] <somiaj> dmtd: sounds like you are using a 32bit user land but trying to install a 64 bit package. Why is this?
323 [02:12:39] <somiaj> or you only have the 32bit version of the openssl libs
324 [02:14:03] <dmtd> somiaj: 64bit OS, possibly 32bit openssl libs? not sure though. How can I check?
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327 [02:14:44] <somiaj> dmtd: share the output of apt-cache policy, and then dpkg -l | grep openssl at paste.debian.net
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338 [02:19:03] <dmtd> somiaj: thanks! replaced-url
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342 [02:19:44] <somiaj> dmtd: by the way, what is the output of dpkg --print-architecture, you can just type it here
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344 [02:20:13] <dmtd> somiaj: amd64
345 [02:20:31] <somiaj> dmtd: and dpkg -l | grep libssl (I think I got the wrong package name to see what libs you have installed)
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347 [02:20:50] <somiaj> dmtd: it doesn't even appear you have multiarch enabled. What package are you trying to install?
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349 [02:22:07] <dmtd> somiaj: replaced-url
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351 [02:22:33] <dmtd> somiaj: I'm trying to install the Unitrends Debian agent: replaced-url
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355 [02:24:32] <somiaj> you have a 64bit of libcrypto installed as far as I can tell. Seems the package you are trying to install is not made for debian jessie. And since it is third party unsure what to do
356 [02:24:59] <somiaj> debian jessie has libcrypto.so.1.0.0 and the package wants another version.
357 [02:25:30] <somiaj> yea that package is made for debian 9.0 according to their website, not jessie.
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359 [02:26:18] <somiaj> maybe the linux generic binary will work, maybe you'll ahve to compile it yoruself to get it working in debian. Unsure and we dont' really support 3rd party stuff here
360 [02:27:16] <dmtd> somiaj: there is a .deb file provided for the ubuntu version...could I use that? I mean I tried it and it had errors so not really sure.
361 [02:27:24] <dmtd> somiaj: and yeah I totally understand I appreciate your help
362 [02:27:38] <dmtd> isn't 8.6 the latest debian though? I think 9.0 refers to the agent version
363 [02:27:47] <somiaj> I find no packages in debian providing libcrypto.so.6
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365 [02:27:53] <missmbob> 9.0 is testing, stretch. the next release
366 [02:27:55] <somiaj> dmtd: debian testing/stretch is going to be 9.0
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368 [02:28:14] <somiaj> even then it is asking for a libary not in debian stretch. Maybe the maker of said packge made it in a debian based distro and not debian
369 [02:28:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> if you refer to the 9.0.0 on the website, that is the software version, not the distribution version
370 [02:28:30] <CutMeOwnThroat> and the thing for download is not a package but a shell script
371 [02:29:18] <somiaj> under the Release line it seems to have different version numbers for various things. Though maybe it is the release of their software and not of the version of the os
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375 [02:29:32] <iamawesome> Hi, how can I check if I have usb 3 ports?
376 [02:29:47] <somiaj> iamawesome: lshw might show you the usbhubs you have, not sure about ports
377 [02:29:56] <CutMeOwnThroat> yes, that's why they list it… sgi only has an old version…
378 [02:30:02] <somiaj> iamawesome: can't you just look at the thing? lsusb will give you current devices pluged in but may not list number of ports.
379 [02:30:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> I doubt windows xp is of the version 9.0
380 [02:30:34] <iamawesome> replaced-url
381 [02:31:02] <somiaj> yea seems the 'Linux' and the 'Debian' and even 'Fedora' links are all to the same script and it is wanting a libary not provided in debian.
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383 [02:31:14] <CutMeOwnThroat> dmtd, wait, did you download Debian->64bit?
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387 [02:32:03] <dmtd> CutMeOwnThroat: my thoughts exactly. Yeah I did download the 64 bit version. Looks like they provide a deb for ubuntu though?
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389 [02:32:28] <CutMeOwnThroat> yes… anyway… this is paid software… take it up with them
390 [02:32:30] <somiaj> it might not work on debian though. seems their debian support is poor at best.
391 [02:32:43] <CutMeOwnThroat> laters
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393 [02:32:48] <dmtd> CutMeOwnThroat: yeah fair enough. I'm using their free version
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395 [02:33:09] <dmtd> Somiaj: yeah I agree
396 [02:33:27] <iamawesome> replaced-url
397 [02:33:29] <somiaj> iamawesome: I can't really tell from that. Looks like you have multiple 1.0 hubs and a 2.0 hub. But as for number of physical ports on the machine, you may ahve to actually look up the specs of the machine.
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406 [02:37:30] <popout> Does Debian have a NSA backdoor
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408 [02:38:07] <zykotick9> popout: ask the NSA
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412 [02:39:33] <sl4v3> !dpkg say something clever
413 [02:39:34] <dpkg> something clever
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426 [02:50:27] <llldino> Debian would be unlikely to have a backdoor, because it is open source software and the code is open for peer review
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431 [02:55:03] <ryouma> popout: when they are discovered they get patched
432 [02:55:44] <ryouma> popout: but we don't know about ones we don't know about
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435 [02:57:09] <llldino> Besides that, if the NSA wanted something they wouldn't need a backdoor
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437 [02:59:11] <ryouma> the question is what backdoors does your hardware have
438 [02:59:17] <ryouma> that's more concerning i think
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441 [02:59:58] <llldino> This is moving offtopic, but I'd be delighted to explain why that doesn't matter in #debian-offtopic
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575 [03:51:25] <roylaprattep> Nov 9 21:49:56 debian-prlsvr dovecot: imap-login: Disconnected (no auth attempts in 0 secs): user=<>, rip=192.168.1.1, lip=192.168.1.1, TLS handshaking: SSL_accept() failed: error:14094418:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:tlsv1 alert unknown ca: SSL alert number 48, session=<O/m+belAPADAqAEB>
576 [03:51:37] <roylaprattep> I have this error, when trying to log on my roudncube
577 [03:51:55] <roylaprattep> Someone can help me?
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585 [03:53:19] <missmbob> unknown ca probably means you created your own private certificate
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596 [03:58:10] <roylaprattep> replaced-url
597 [03:58:17] <roylaprattep> Someone can help me with that please?
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601 [04:02:00] <texnofobix> roylaprattep: using tls/ssl ?
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603 [04:02:11] <texnofobix> is it your dovecot?
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605 [04:03:14] <roylaprattep> My imap server is working on my cell phone
606 [04:03:27] <roylaprattep> But when i try to log on roundcube, i got "connection to storage server failed"
607 [04:03:36] <texnofobix> what's roundcube?
608 [04:03:36] <roylaprattep> + this error line in my syslog
609 [04:03:41] <roylaprattep> webmail client
610 [04:04:01] <texnofobix> is your imap server ssl/tls
611 [04:04:09] <roylaprattep> yes
612 [04:04:17] <texnofobix> self signed?
613 [04:04:19] <roylaprattep> yes
614 [04:04:35] <roylaprattep> my cert expired last night so i done a new one
615 [04:04:36] <texnofobix> roundcube might not like self signed
616 [04:04:40] <roylaprattep> than all stopped working in roundcube
617 [04:04:44] <texnofobix> was it working before?
618 [04:04:46] <roylaprattep> yes, it was working before
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620 [04:05:07] <missmbob> get a free real one from letsencrypt
621 [04:05:17] <texnofobix> did you have to import the selfsigned into roundcube?
622 [04:05:22] <texnofobix> letsencrypt is cool btw
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624 [04:05:46] <roylaprattep> <it was working before tho
625 [04:05:56] <roylaprattep> i know i can use my own certs
626 [04:06:28] <missmbob> the error it's giving you is "unknown ca", as i said. obviously something changed and now it requires a real ca
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628 [04:06:30] <texnofobix> dovecot is reporting unknown CA
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630 [04:07:03] <roylaprattep> missmbob: I did no upgrade!
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635 [04:07:16] <missmbob> im not saying you did. config change when changing certs, etc
636 [04:07:17] <roylaprattep> missmbob: It was working with my old certs before i crete new one!
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638 [04:07:23] <missmbob> yes, stop screaming
639 [04:07:29] <roylaprattep> haha
640 [04:07:29] <missmbob> actually, fuck it. i dont care. good luck.
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643 [04:07:41] <roylaprattep> jesus christ. stop screaming too.
644 [04:07:52] <texnofobix> :|
645 [04:08:08] <roylaprattep> what a great help channel!
646 [04:08:26] <texnofobix> seriously i'm trying ... does roundcube show any logs?
647 [04:08:42] <texnofobix> certs can be a p.i.t.a.
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653 [04:12:04] <roylaprattep> replaced-url
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655 [04:12:18] <roylaprattep> its a server error i think
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657 [04:13:06] <texnofobix> are you doing clientcert auth?
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659 [04:13:17] <roylaprattep> what is that?
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662 [04:13:41] <texnofobix> when you use a client certificate to authenicate who you are to the server
663 [04:13:55] <roylaprattep> no
664 [04:14:18] <texnofobix> couuld try turning off SSL verify that works and turn it back on
665 [04:14:25] <roylaprattep> ok wait
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671 [04:15:04] <missmbob> replaced-url
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673 [04:16:58] <texnofobix> missmbob: that's interesting
674 [04:17:08] <missmbob> to accept by default being the key. the old one was probably manually set to accept
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688 [04:27:08] <RoyK> missmbob: I don't really understand why anyone would use selfsigned certificates now that let's encrypt's around
689 [04:27:44] <missmbob> RoyK: probably because they're too set in their own ways to think clearly.
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695 [04:31:42] <RoyK> missmbob: quite possibly :P
696 [04:31:47] <likcoras> Does luks on lvm work out of the box for debian?
697 [04:32:16] <missmbob> yes. the installer offers it
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699 [04:32:54] <likcoras> But (at least on stable) it does lvm on luks, not the other way around.
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715 [04:41:29] <roylaprattep> texnofobix: imap's working, only imap ssl is not.
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729 [04:48:38] <roylaprattep> thx missmbob, your config is working.
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731 [04:49:26] <missmbob> roylaprattep: you're welcome
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739 [04:56:47] <dmtd> so a deb file I'm installing says this, and I can't figure out how to install the dependency: depends on linux-generic (>= 2.6.13); however: Package linux-generic is not installed.
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742 [04:57:41] <missmbob> linux-generic is an ubuntu thing. not debian
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750 [05:00:35] <dmtd> missmbob: cool thanks!
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753 [05:02:09] <roylaprattep> missmbob: Damn, no, it isn't working... :/
754 [05:02:46] <missmbob> roylaprattep: then my first recommendation is all i've got. never used roundcube or dovecot
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758 [05:03:02] <roylaprattep> certbot?
759 [05:03:21] <missmbob> that works
760 [05:03:29] <roylaprattep> Ok.
761 [05:03:33] <roylaprattep> Gonna give it a try.
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772 [05:08:56] <llldino> Is there a global known_hosts file for ssh? I'm trying to use pam_sshauth and it's throwing: "Server is unknown, and strict checking enabled. Connection denied."
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775 [05:09:52] <llldino> auth.log shows: "pam_sshauth(sudo:auth): Server not in known_hosts file."
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777 [05:10:38] <llldino> And yes, I'm trying to connect to localhost and localhost is indeed in ~user/.ssh/known_hosts as well as root's and in /etc/ssh
778 [05:10:38] <missmbob> llldino: set globalknownhostsfile in your sshd config and put it where someplace like /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts or whatever. dump all the hosts in there
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784 [05:15:51] <llldino> missmbob, Seems that worked. Now pam_sshauth complains: "pam_sshauth(sudo:auth): Couldn't connect to 127.0.0.1."
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787 [05:15:51] <Atm0spher1c> so debian is doing some really stupid shit, apt specifically
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789 [05:15:51] <Atm0spher1c> replaced-url
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791 [05:16:21] <Atm0spher1c> anyone make any sense of this mess?
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794 [05:16:54] <missmbob> did you mix in deb-multimedia or something?
795 [05:17:04] <Atm0spher1c> no
796 [05:17:35] <llldino> It looks like something you're trying to install conflicts with another package that all of those programs are dependant on
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799 [05:18:29] <Atm0spher1c> i've backported a few packages and that's it. But if i want libasound2:i386 and the other stuff it needs, it wants to remove things
800 [05:18:31] <Atm0spher1c> so lame
801 [05:18:53] <Atm0spher1c> it looks like it conflicts, but it doesnt.
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803 [05:19:08] <Atm0spher1c> libs conflict with gimp? mpv? ffmpeg? what?
804 [05:19:13] <missmbob> yeah backporting can do that. some packages need version = not >= or <= type of thing
805 [05:19:22] <missmbob> but *shurg*
806 [05:19:34] <roylaprattep> missmbob: It is working with my self signed finally, I made a typo!
807 [05:19:44] <missmbob> roylaprattep: great
808 [05:19:53] <roylaprattep> missmbob: Thank you so much, you're a boss!
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810 [05:20:03] <Atm0spher1c> yeah but these having nothing to do with packages i backported, those packages are fine
811 [05:20:35] <Atm0spher1c> im not gonna build anything out of chroot anymore
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813 [05:21:10] <Atm0spher1c> too many devs and libs i installed for backporting
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819 [05:23:34] <n4dir> Atm0spher1c: what is the output if you command "apt-get autoremove -s"
820 [05:24:12] <n4dir> that is: is the removal related to the apt-get install at all, or is it required anyway?
821 [05:25:40] <Atm0spher1c> i cancelled that action, and just noted it. But it would remove those packages if I went through with the install.
822 [05:26:42] <n4dir> you could also look into aptitude --keep-all (but i sure am not that much in the subject. I usuay let apt remove whatever it wants to and install it again)
823 [05:26:50] <Atm0spher1c> would any of those i386 packages make a difference if I have the x64 installed from jessie-backports?
824 [05:27:09] <n4dir> doesn't look as if that was your problem, but it might offer help anyway: replaced-url
825 [05:27:10] <missmbob> yes. they have to be the same version
826 [05:27:22] <missmbob> you can't fix versions between archs
827 [05:27:25] <missmbob> mix*
828 [05:27:38] <Atm0spher1c> haha
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831 [05:28:54] <Atm0spher1c> having this chat gave me the idea to grep which ones have backports
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844 [05:33:25] <Atm0spher1c> what is a transitional dummy package? libegl1-mesa-drivers jessie-backport is installed and required
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846 [05:34:07] <missmbob> say if a package changed names...it just points to the new name. or like when iceweasel turned into firefox.
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848 [05:34:34] <Atm0spher1c> cool, how can I identify that name?
849 [05:34:54] <missmbob> should list it in apt-cache show
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855 [05:43:29] <Atm0spher1c> okay its not x64 jessie-backport. Looks like I wont solve this without reinstall. Might be better to dual boot sid & stable as well.
856 [05:43:36] <Atm0spher1c> thanks anyway for the help all
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859 [05:45:41] <Atm0spher1c> looking forward to stretch stable. any release date guesses?
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987 [07:08:40] <t4nk015> how to write guidelines for irc channel
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997 [07:12:51] <missmbob> uh. if you mean how to set the topic... /topic foo
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1001 [07:14:37] <t4nk015> missmbob: no , like /msg dpkg guidelines in debian channel
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1005 [07:15:58] <missmbob> you want to change a factoid to something else? /msg dpkg no, guidelines is foolio
1006 [07:16:25] <t4nk015> missmbob: how can i write foolio to my channel
1007 [07:16:39] <missmbob> you need a bot in your channel if you want to have factoids
1008 [07:16:54] <missmbob> otherwise just put it or a link to it in /topic
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1082 [08:08:37] <tapacenbal> hi
1083 [08:08:57] <tapacenbal> are you able to display the phone number ? replaced-url
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1087 [08:11:17] <awal1> tapacenbal: do you have any debian question?
1088 [08:11:28] <tapacenbal> ty for your help
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1125 [08:30:51] <rjp25> How can i contribute to debian open source?
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1129 [08:31:47] <Epakai> !how-can-i-help
1130 [08:31:47] <dpkg> Want to help out with Debian and become more involved in the Debian project? The tools wnpp-alert, rc-alert (both from the devscripts package) and how-can-i-help can provide inspiration on buggy or unmaintained packages that you have installed on your system. Ask me about <wnpp>, <rc-alert>, <devscripts>, <new maintainer guide>. replaced-url
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1135 [08:34:25] <Nematocyst> when inserting thumb drive, the partitions automount correctly, but the cinnamon desktop icons display glitches, looking double-striked and even in the wrong places. rebooting fixes the desktop icons, but it just happens again when inserting a thumb drive
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1170 [08:49:50] <gebruiker> Guys - I backported two packages from sid to jessie. Is there anywhere I can upload them?
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1172 [08:50:17] <gebruiker> i.e would you recommend submitting to backports?
1173 [08:50:35] <gebruiker> The packages are just two theme packages, numix and greybrid
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1189 [08:56:40] <Newsense> Trying to install Debian but software install step failes and bootloader step failes
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1199 [09:00:07] <gebruiker> Newsense: what error message? You can switch the consoles to see more output
1200 [09:00:27] <gebruiker> ctrl+alt+f6 from memmory
1201 [09:00:57] <Newsense> I'm trying again now, I'll post error if it happens again
1202 [09:01:31] <Newsense> Ok happened again
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1205 [09:02:51] <Newsense> In x says installation step failed
1206 [09:03:14] <gebruiker> What installation step are you at?
1207 [09:03:17] <Newsense> Select and install software failed
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1209 [09:03:39] <gebruiker> are you connected to the internet on that box?
1210 [09:03:47] <Newsense> Yes
1211 [09:03:49] <gebruiker> what type of installer do you have ?
1212 [09:03:59] <Newsense> Usb
1213 [09:04:57] <gebruiker> alright,try switching to another console using ctrl+alt+f6 ( press simultanously ). The other console has more verbose output of what is the cause of the failure
1214 [09:04:58] <Newsense> If I skip it and try to install grub or lilo that fails too
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1217 [09:05:37] <Newsense> That gives me no output
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1219 [09:06:16] <gebruiker> try the other consoles f5, f4, f8 etc.. i am not sure which one has the verbose output
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1224 [09:06:45] <Newsense> Tasksel erro3 code 100
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1226 [09:07:02] <Newsense> Er pkgsel
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1230 [09:07:48] <Newsense> Pkgsel error 100
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1235 [09:09:25] <gebruiker> Are you installing from the net or an installation media? if net-download, disable it using expert installation
1236 [09:09:46] <Newsense> Usb media
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1241 [09:10:44] <gebruiker> debian can be installed using various images, i.e one that is depended on an internet connection and others that have all the software on the iso
1242 [09:11:37] <gebruiker> try using the image that has all the software on it : replaced-url
1243 [09:11:45] <Newsense> I'll do an expert install, should have started there probably, been a while
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1252 [09:14:09] <Newsense> Thanks @gebruiker this feels mich for familiar to me, pretty sure an expert install will work
1253 [09:14:23] <gebruiker> great
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1308 [09:31:17] <Newsense> So far so good
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1310 [09:31:30] <Newsense> What is the latest kernel
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1325 [09:37:10] <Newsense> Is anyone running testing, safe to upgrade?
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1330 [09:38:54] <jelly> Newsense: "anyone" -- yes, "safe" -- not really, if it was safe we'd have a new stable
1331 [09:39:42] <Newsense> You know what I mean
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1333 [09:40:22] <jelly> I don't. Different people keep different assumptions
1334 [09:40:45] <Newsense> I usdd to run testing for years, been on windows for like 3 years so I haven't touched Debian in a while
1335 [09:41:04] <n4dir> You must first ask yourself why you want to run testing, perhaps for that there is a different solution (which would be backports)
1336 [09:41:24] <Newsense> True
1337 [09:41:39] <n4dir> but if you ran testing for years, you should know that in general it is rather safe to run it ... no?
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1339 [09:41:56] <jelly> if you want to help the next release with filing and fixing bugs, now's the best time to upgrade to testing as it enters the freeze process
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1341 [09:42:08] <Newsense> Yes, at least it was a few years ago
1342 [09:42:28] <n4dir> make sure to install apt-listbugs
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1345 [09:43:08] <jelly> usability of "testing" varies greatly with different phases of the release process
1346 [09:43:14] <Newsense> I remember that package;)
1347 [09:43:38] <n4dir> yeah, just saying.
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1349 [09:44:03] <Newsense> Thanks for the help guys
1350 [09:44:13] <Newsense> Sorry I had to ask
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1353 [09:44:45] <jelly> !stretch freeze
1354 [09:44:45] <dpkg> Stretch will start to freeze in early 2017; no new versions of packages will enter the release as this is a period of intense bug fixing. See replaced-url
1355 [09:44:47] <n4dir> might be better to ask it in #debian-next too. i didn't say any messages there bout horrible bugs , but don't follow that close
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1357 [09:45:09] <jelly> Newsense: see also: /msg dpkg debian-next, /msg dpkg jessie->stretch
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1360 [09:45:29] <Ticho> Stretch just needs to pay his heating bill :)
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1362 [09:45:40] <Newsense> Is jessie the boy from toy story?
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1365 [09:46:01] <preaction> no. she's the cowgirl
1366 [09:46:06] <preaction> max is the boy
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1368 [09:46:16] <preaction> sorry, andy
1369 [09:46:17] <Newsense> Sid was the last release I ran
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1371 [09:46:28] <preaction> sid isn't a release
1372 [09:46:34] <Newsense> Who is Jessie?
1373 [09:46:35] <Ticho> sid is eternal :)
1374 [09:46:43] <preaction> jessie is the cowgirl
1375 [09:46:50] <Newsense> Oh
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1380 [09:47:31] <Newsense> Oh yeah sid is always unstable, forogt
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1383 [09:48:30] <Newsense> I ran sid for a while but dependency problems were a bitch
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1389 [09:51:10] <Shadur> That's why it's *called* unstable. Generally just use apt-get -uf upgrade and don't try to force stuff that's marked as 'being held back' until and unless you're sure that 1) you want the new thing and 2) it won't delete something you don't want gone.
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1395 [09:53:11] <Newsense> What's the package to create Debian packages? Forgot the name
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1403 [09:56:05] <Newsense> Anyone here into crypto?
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1407 [09:57:34] <OpenTokix> Can't say my entire desktop is just garbled text.
1408 [09:57:34] <jelly> Newsense: if you want to chat, try #debian-offtopic -- this channel is more about specific issues
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1514 [10:47:25] <Newsense> So I tried expert mode but installation still fails at installing software
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1522 [10:49:21] <jelly> Newsense: do you have internet connection working in the installer?
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1528 [10:49:51] <Newsense> Yes I do
1529 [10:50:10] <Newsense> Ipv4 and 6
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1531 [10:50:59] <Newsense> This thing had windows 8 running fine
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1558 [11:06:24] <Newsense> Install fails at installing software
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1579 [11:21:40] <withnale> Has anyone ever seen a problem in jessie when running a sysv script managed by systemd, where 'service <servicename> start' seems to run the script but doesn't end up with the daemon running, but running the equivalent '/etc/init.d/<servicename> start' or 'systemctl start <servicename>' work fine?
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1648 [11:51:40] <mise> test
1649 [11:51:57] <petn-randall> test failed
1650 [11:52:06] <mise> damn
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1654 [11:53:21] <petn-randall> damn: command not found
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1664 [11:56:51] <mise> rm petn-randall :)
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1717 [12:25:31] <Percevan> Hello, why i have the nouveau module loaded whereas the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is not installed ?
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1719 [12:26:08] <hugleo> Does anybody think is possible that I got a little more performance or stability in network stack if I recompile the kernel disabling some things like I don't use like wireless, drivers, etc?
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1721 [12:26:51] <Ke> hugleo: unlikely
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1723 [12:27:56] <nkuttler> hugleo: performance, perhaps, but not that you'd notice in 2016
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1725 [12:28:24] <ksk> hugleo: hell no :) If you did supercomputer things maybe, but not in normal usage.
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1727 [12:28:29] <Ke> wireless drivers are not loaded, if you don't have them
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1729 [12:28:53] <Ke> them as in hw
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1736 [12:30:17] <hugleo> but wireless support and others things in kernel you need some more if else stuffs, others fields in kernel structure... :D
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1739 [12:30:26] <Ke> better boot time is the thing that is easiest to gain
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1742 [12:30:55] <Ke> but probably not even that is visible
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1746 [12:31:51] * nkuttler stopped building custom kernels for performance reasons more than a decade ago
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1752 [12:33:48] <hugleo> and stability improbable too?
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1754 [12:34:34] <nkuttler> never really had problems with unstable kernels
1755 [12:35:06] <nkuttler> i mean, sure things that don't work, that's normal, but always in a predictable way
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1762 [12:37:55] <icebrain> hugleo: if you have the hardware but don't need it, you can blacklist the modules
1763 [12:38:08] <icebrain> still, not sure if it would gain you anything
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1765 [12:40:38] <hugleo> yes, I was talking more about stuff that is only static compiled and can be compile like modules
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1770 [12:42:14] <hugleo> by example ipsec, multicasting
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1773 [12:43:41] <hugleo> L3 Master device support (This module provides glue between core networking code and device drivers to support L3 master devices like VRF. )
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1775 [12:44:18] <hugleo> can be compiled like module
1776 [12:44:25] <hugleo> *can't
1777 [12:45:05] <icebrain> then I defer to the people above :)
1778 [12:45:40] <hugleo> maybe without the glue I could get more stability, never knows :)
1779 [12:45:40] <jelly> hugleo: if you have enough know-how and good testers to make your own kernel more stable and more tested than the one used daily by 99% of debian users... do it!
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1785 [12:48:37] <hugleo> good point
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1808 [13:00:20] <visual> hi guuys
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1825 [13:08:07] <FinalX> apt question... just double-checking, but dpkg --purge on packages in 'rc' state (config files leftovers) will leave config files alone that are still managed through other, actively installed (ii) packages, right?
1826 [13:08:09] <apt> FinalX: what are you talking about?
1827 [13:08:13] <FinalX> heh :)
1828 [13:08:25] <FinalX> didn't realise the bot would respond
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1831 [13:08:44] <visual> he's not a bot lol
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1861 [13:16:04] <watmm> Hey, anyone have an idea why an environment variable $LOGNAME would be available when running a scipt via the command line, but not when running it via an init script?
1862 [13:16:46] <FinalX> visual: clearly is, automated response when apt is mentioned; plus in whois info: [apt] (ibot@replaced-ip ): TimRiker's infobot
1863 [13:17:23] <visual> but you just meantioned apt and it didnt respond
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1865 [13:17:34] <visual> you're confused lol
1866 [13:17:52] <r4co0n> apt has to be the first word?
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1870 [13:18:33] <visual> ^
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1872 [13:18:54] <visual> the guy probably took a break or something
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1881 [13:23:26] <r4co0n> visual, send a private msg to apt, it is a bot...
1882 [13:23:51] <visual> nice try, but i dont wanna get banned
1883 [13:24:29] <r4co0n> last century it was okay to pm people if you have a question
1884 [13:24:45] <visual> yeah, last century :^)
1885 [13:25:38] <r4co0n> Sometimes you get a thank you via pm here, I never hated anyone for this.
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1892 [13:29:35] <Iridos> watmm, because there's nobody logged in at the init script?
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1896 [13:30:53] <Iridos> yes, apt is a bot, so is dpkg and dselect
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1900 [13:31:39] <judd> don't forget me! Everyone always forgets me ;(
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1904 [13:33:52] <jelly> watmm: because it's /bin/login that sets it, only when a user logs in into an interactive shell?
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1906 [13:34:11] <visual> Iridos: no it isnt lol
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1908 [13:34:21] <jelly> well. A login shell.
1909 [13:34:45] <jelly> judd: hush
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1911 [13:35:19] <jelly> apt: what are you
1912 [13:35:19] <apt> I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>
1913 [13:35:27] <Iridos> visual, it is. and it's time to move on.
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1917 [13:36:07] <visual> lol have fun being stupid
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1921 [13:36:33] <jelly> visual: you're allowed to continue this overly silly conversation in #debian-offtopic
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1923 [13:37:03] <watmm> jelly: think you might be on to something because i've ruled out sourcing profile files and echoing user, shell, paths etc
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1925 [13:37:26] <jelly> watmm: man 1 login
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1928 [13:37:57] <jelly> (I cheated and did a zgrep LOGNAME /usr/share/man/man?/*.gz)
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1931 [13:39:25] <watmm> So i guess the question is how do i make the spawned shell interactive
1932 [13:39:39] <jelly> !goal
1933 [13:39:39] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
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1938 [13:41:39] <watmm> To be able to access $LOGNAME from within a script that's called by an init script. LOGNAME is accessible when calling the inner script from the cli, but not the init script that calls the inner script
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1941 [13:42:33] <jelly> watmm: why do you need LOGNAME inside an init script?
1942 [13:42:39] <Pr0metheus> how can i tell which shell i am using?
1943 [13:42:50] <jelly> Pr0metheus: echo $SHELL, sometimes
1944 [13:43:09] <Pr0metheus> jelly: thanx it worked : /bin/bash
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1947 [13:43:59] <jelly> watmm: what does the inner script need LOGNAME for?
1948 [13:44:27] <jelly> in short, what doesn't work?
1949 [13:44:35] <watmm> jelly: That's how the people at Varnish have decided to prefix saving their configuration: $LOGNAME_<randomly generated uuid>. Bad design choice it seems as the reload only works if the uuid does not start with a number. I could just change the prefix, but then it might break on an upgrade. If i can fix it outside of Varnish, that's preferable
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1952 [13:45:14] <jelly> watmm: so export LOGNAME=whatever in your custom init script.
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1954 [13:46:02] <jelly> I don't that kind of broken setup would be accepted in debian's packaging
1955 [13:46:33] <jelly> watmm: if you're using debian's packaging for varnish, check for open bug reports and file one if it's not there yet
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1958 [13:47:27] <jelly> a service shouldn't assume it's running under a login shell, that just doesn't make sense
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1960 [13:48:02] <jelly> ,v varnish
1961 [13:48:03] <judd> Package: varnish on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.0.2-2+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 3.0.2-2+deb7u2; jessie: 4.0.2-1; stretch: 5.0.0-3; sid: 5.0.0-3
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1965 [13:49:16] <watmm> Odd, exporting doesn't make it visible to the inner script
1966 [13:49:25] <watmm> and yeah, it's a stand alone .deb
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1968 [13:49:49] <watmm> As in, non-debian maintained
1969 [13:50:16] <jelly> watmm: pastebin the init script
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1972 [13:51:33] <watmm> replaced-url
1973 [13:52:02] <watmm> Already created a big report but it doesn't look like that's going to be addressed any time soon
1974 [13:54:13] <jelly> dunno if start-stop-daemon sanitizes the environment, it seems likely
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1979 [13:58:39] <watmm> The part i'mn interested in is reload, where that's not used
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2017 [14:11:22] <r4co0n> watmm, you could try what is suggested here, let start-stop-daemon call /usr/bin/env and explicitly set the environment variable . I don't know if this will break something else.
2018 [14:11:29] <r4co0n> watmm, link: replaced-url
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2024 [14:13:07] <da3m0n22> hey, anyone can explain why "linux-kbuild-4.7" in versions "4.7.8-1~bpo8+1" and "4.7.8-1" is missing Makefile.gcc-plugins and whole plugins infrastructure? Thanks
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2026 [14:13:27] <watmm> Interesting. Question, how can you tell which files will be prompted for overwriting on an upgrade, and which wont? Is it just /etc/* that is prompted?
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2028 [14:13:37] <da3m0n22> (also i haven't checked previous versions, as those are not available in my repositories)
2029 [14:14:32] <da3m0n22> watmm: files that had been previously installed and that has been changed ?
2030 [14:15:05] <watmm> yep
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2037 [14:20:33] <Iridos> dpkg, tell da3m0n22 about conffile
2038 [14:21:53] <da3m0n22> Iridos: regding kbuild or apt-upgrade ?
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2041 [14:23:30] <Iridos> what?
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2044 [14:24:00] <da3m0n22> Iridos: what?
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2046 [14:24:06] <Iridos> huh… who asked that about config files
2047 [14:24:57] <r4co0n> dpkg, tell watmm about conffile
2048 [14:25:00] <Iridos> d3fc0n, ops, sorry… mis-aligned nick and line
2049 [14:25:03] <Iridos> yeah, that :)
2050 [14:25:04] <r4co0n> Iridos, there you go
2051 [14:25:25] <r4co0n> btw, you did it again ;)
2052 [14:25:36] <Iridos> not!
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2061 [14:29:49] <Iridos> da3m0n22, I'm not even sure what you're asking there. That might be true for others, you might want to rephrase.
2062 [14:30:07] <TvL2386> hi guys, I'm experimenting with Access Control Lists (getfacl/setfacl), and I'm wondering why my user 'tom' cannot remove a file owned by 'replaced-url
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2065 [14:30:44] <TvL2386> I think user 'tom' needs write permission to the current directory in order to unlink the file
2066 [14:30:48] <Iridos> it's the permissions of the directory the file is in that determines what you can remove
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2068 [14:31:15] <TvL2386> ok, I'm also wondering why the mask is different than the default:mask
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2072 [14:32:16] <TvL2386> because /var/replaced-url
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2083 [14:34:01] <luxpir> anyone managed to install termite? I'm stuck in dependency hell...
2084 [14:34:14] <luxpir> replaced-url
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2098 [14:39:05] <n4dir> imho there are more than enought terminal emulators inside the debian repo, luxpir.
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2100 [14:40:16] <luxpir> fair comment, n4dir, but termite had caught my eye.
2101 [14:40:53] <ksk> because it looks like 1980? ;)
2102 [14:40:59] <luxpir> second choice is urxvt, but decided against due to further config... just want something lightweight and featured enough to replace terminator, which doesn't 'pop open' as I hoped it would in i3.
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2104 [14:41:27] <luxpir> ksk: 1980 would be modern for my tastes :) I kid, but speed is what I'm after
2105 [14:41:30] <watmm> r4co0n: cheers, so all this time ive been trying to fix an issue in a tracked file, when i should just add a dirty workaround in a file it calls
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2112 [14:42:56] <Iridos> TvL2386, you usually just put the user in the replaced-url
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2114 [14:43:05] <n4dir> won't get any lighter than xterm i guess. Anyway: check if you may like this one: replaced-url
2115 [14:43:48] <n4dir> and what do you mean with "pop open" ?
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2117 [14:44:32] <Iridos> it doesn't burst the bubble?
2118 [14:45:06] <luxpir> n4dir: so my hardware isn't great, but the system is light enough that I'm starting to get bugged by the time it takes to open a new terminal.
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2120 [14:46:05] <TvL2386> Iridos, yeah exactly, moderately well... I was hoping to find a a solution to catch the corner cases as well, like files with chmod 0600 owned by replaced-url
2121 [14:46:20] <n4dir> using tilda you can have it open all the time and access in the blink of an eye. luxpir
2122 [14:47:09] <n4dir> same for lilyterm, i got a Gig RAM and it opens up immediatly. btw
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2124 [14:47:36] <luxpir> n4dir: using i3wm here, so want to remain within that workflow
2125 [14:47:43] <luxpir> will try lilyterm
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2127 [14:47:54] <TvL2386> Iridos, this is very interesting about the subject: replaced-url
2128 [14:48:04] <n4dir> i can't see what i3wm would mean regarding a terminal emulator ...
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2130 [14:49:10] <luxpir> n4dir: I was referring to tilda drop down... doesn't meet requirements
2131 [14:49:42] <luxpir> n4dir: just installed lilyterm and can confirm it's speed. now can it look pretty and get all zsh/powerline and remain quick...
2132 [14:50:35] <humbag> usually the first instance of a program will open slowly, but subsequent windows much quicker
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2135 [14:52:35] <luxpir> humbag: yep, in general... but even if terminator loads quickly, even on subseq. loads, it's still a 0-1 count until it opens with a shortcut key. That tiny second and a bit of friction is bugging me.
2136 [14:52:37] <Iridos> uh… tilda is weird… that acts as if you mainly wanted to use other windows and only use the shell for the occasional command to start something. eww.
2137 [14:53:07] <jelly> TvL2386: what a lovely obscure bit of lore, thanks!
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2139 [14:53:20] <n4dir> or exactly the other way around, Iridos
2140 [14:53:24] <TvL2386> jelly, yes very! yw! ;)
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2142 [14:53:44] <n4dir> i see it as being able to mainly work on the commandline
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2146 [14:54:25] <dcpc007> hi, starting to hate debian .. not because of debian itself, but because on commercial company support debian, and more and more, i'm forced to install centos or RHEL or other ... and now my task of admin very complicated.
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2148 [14:54:54] <humbag> terminator does open slowly, because its python, but since its a multiplexor you only need one window :)
2149 [14:55:00] <dcpc007> for me debian the best server distro to manage ... but in enterprise ... impossible to use because no company will support debian
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2151 [14:55:38] <dcpc007> a very heavy inconvenient when using commerical applications
2152 [14:55:39] <Iridos> n4dir, not really… I've got 5 terminals open at the same time, and with reason…
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2154 [14:55:51] <tekmans> hi every one
2155 [14:55:52] <tekmans> i have a new laptop with usb type c with power charge
2156 [14:55:52] <tekmans> but power charging is not working
2157 [14:55:52] <tekmans> someone knows something about usb power management about power charging ?
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2159 [14:55:55] <n4dir> use screen at call it a day.
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2163 [14:56:51] <Iridos> screen breaks ctrl-a and scrolling
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2167 [14:57:33] <n4dir> i guess in that case you need to open 5 windows. nothing one could do about it
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2169 [14:58:09] <Iridos> it's also often handy to see more than one at the same time
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2171 [14:58:43] <dcpc007> Iridos i configure my screen with Ctrl-A in .screenrc
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2173 [14:59:01] <luxpir> so just to confirm, nobody here uses, or has used termite on deb?
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2175 [14:59:11] <dcpc007> no, switch to tmux now
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2178 [15:00:31] <luxpir> dcpc007: been using tmux for years... just not locally. can't see the point when I use i3 for win mgmt
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2183 [15:01:21] <luxpir> humbag: good point - could change my workflow to split terminator windows - is much quicker than starting a new instance.
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2186 [15:01:31] <Newsense> So I'm trying to install Debian from usb but it fails at select and install software
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2188 [15:01:36] <dcpc007> ha not using I3 too ..
2189 [15:01:42] <Newsense> What do I do now
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2191 [15:02:13] <dcpc007> Newsense: what error ?
2192 [15:02:29] <n4dir> luxpir: why not tabs?
2193 [15:02:38] <Newsense> I am willing to pay anyone who can help me in Burst coin
2194 [15:02:49] <Newsense> 100
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2196 [15:03:16] <babilen> Newsense: How did you write the installer to the USB stick?
2197 [15:03:18] <luxpir> dcpc007: altho nesting tabbed vim buffers in tmux panes and tabs in i3wm windowed workspaces gives some evil satisfaction...
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2199 [15:03:45] <Newsense> Pcksel eror code 100
2200 [15:04:02] <Newsense> Pkgsel sorry
2201 [15:04:12] <luxpir> n4dir: tabs too... just prefer seeing tailing logs + code or writing + notes files etc. in same view
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2204 [15:04:55] <Newsense> Why can't I install Debian
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2207 [15:06:09] <shovel_boss> Newsense, delete yourself
2208 [15:06:23] <shovel_boss> you cant install an operating system
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2210 [15:06:51] <TvL2386> luxpir, I only use terminator
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2213 [15:07:24] <Newsense> Fuck you, aI can but shit don't work
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2216 [15:07:56] <babilen> Newsense: Please keep it civil in here and try to answer all questions that people asked
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2218 [15:08:27] <petn-randall> same goes for you, shovel_boss.
2219 [15:08:41] <Newsense> Wtf, I did
2220 [15:08:47] <Newsense> You hear him
2221 [15:09:09] <shovel_boss> Newsense, radical islamic muslim terrorist
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2225 [15:09:19] <themill> shovel_boss: that's more than enough
2226 [15:09:22] <Newsense> Pcksel error 10
2227 [15:09:30] <babilen> Newsense: How did you write the installer?
2228 [15:09:41] <Newsense> Usb
2229 [15:09:50] <themill> Newsense: that's "what" not "how"
2230 [15:09:55] <petn-randall> Newsense: Which commands did you use exactly?
2231 [15:10:22] <Newsense> Followed instructions on debian.org
2232 [15:10:27] <babilen> Which instructions?
2233 [15:10:49] <Newsense> Usb instructions
2234 [15:11:05] <luxpir> TvL2386: Yeah cheers, will investigate it's features more before jumping ship - been using it for ages but never actually used it as a multiplexer
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2237 [15:12:10] <petn-randall> Newsense: Then everything should have worked fine. Which errors do you get?
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2239 [15:12:42] <Newsense> Pkgsel error 10
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2241 [15:13:11] <petn-randall> Newsense: You need to provide a lot more details for us be able to help you.
2242 [15:13:29] <petn-randall> Newsense: Please provide more details.
2243 [15:13:30] <petn-randall> !ask
2244 [15:13:31] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2246 [15:13:57] <TvL2386> luxpir, I can dream CTRL+o to horizontal split and CTRL+e to vertically split... It's awesome... also CTRL+t for tabs... that's all you need... You can group windows to simultaneous type... I don't need anything else
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2248 [15:14:30] <TvL2386> luxpir, CTRL+SHIFT in all cases... sorry
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2250 [15:15:10] <Newsense> I try to install during select and install software I choose KDE and Debian desktop, install fails, cntrl+alt+f4 shows pkgsel failed
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2252 [15:15:21] <Newsense> Error code 100
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2255 [15:16:35] <petn-randall> Newsense: That sounds like the installer might not be prepared properly. Can you provide the commands you used to create the USB installer?
2256 [15:16:35] <Newsense> I know you afe volunteers, used to be a member, been gone for a while
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2258 [15:17:06] <petn-randall> Newsense: Member of what?
2259 [15:17:09] <Newsense> I am going to get a dvd I think
2260 [15:17:36] <Newsense> First time using USB and don't like it
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2262 [15:17:58] <Newsense> Used to volunteer here
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2264 [15:18:49] <themill> Newsense: Precisely which installer image are you using?
2265 [15:19:11] <babilen> And which command exactly did you use to write it to the USB?
2266 [15:19:16] <babilen> *exactly*
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2268 [15:20:32] <luxpir> TvL2386: yep, just been into the keybindings to double check. played with it initially, years back, but had forgotten. quite like i3 opening diff term instances on boot - might keep that for now.
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2270 [15:20:57] <luxpir> (one for cmus, one for mutt, one for certain text files... and so on)
2271 [15:21:13] <Newsense> I followed instructions on Debian.org
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2273 [15:22:05] <Newsense> If I had a computer I could look into it easier
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2275 [15:22:37] <luxpir> new question: after apt removing the packages I installed this morning (replaced-url
2276 [15:22:49] <petn-randall> Newsense: Ok, a computer is essential for installing Debian. That might be your problem.
2277 [15:22:52] <luxpir> it's clearly not being smart about what depended on what.
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2279 [15:23:17] <Newsense> I got a computer, sitting here with no OS
2280 [15:23:28] <luxpir> petn-randall: Come on, the guy clearly means he doesn't have a computer with an OS installed. Although he is talking to us in IRC... presume that's from a computer.
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2282 [15:24:12] <themill> Newsense: you can tell us what release you're trying to install and which image you downloaded.
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2284 [15:24:23] <awhitlock8> #rhel
2285 [15:24:25] <Newsense> Why are Debian users all dicks wtf lol
2286 [15:24:27] <themill> You can probably even remember what you had for breakfast.
2287 [15:24:34] <todd_dsm> on a minimal auto-build O
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2289 [15:24:55] <themill> Newsense: feel free to let me know when you actually want help.
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2299 [15:27:48] <petn-randall> luxpir: Not really, we've been asking them several questions now and all of those haven't been directly answered.
2300 [15:28:40] <luxpir> petn-randall: I know. Not an ideal candidate for help.
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2304 [15:29:25] <luxpir> so anyone know if there's a way to get a real autoremove list that won't bork my system if I agree to it?
2305 [15:30:04] <FinalX> double-check the list of packages to be removed before you type Yes
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2307 [15:30:20] <FinalX> and manually install the packages that you believe are needed
2308 [15:30:54] <FinalX> autoremove selects packages that were not manually selected (system base install / apt-get install <package>) or that are dependencies of packages that are manually installed)
2309 [15:30:58] <luxpir> FinalX: that's not going to cut it.
2310 [15:31:02] <FinalX> of course it is
2311 [15:31:13] <FinalX> apt/dpkg can't know anything beyond that
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2315 [15:31:36] <FinalX> if your custom application depends on $x and $x is not set to manually installed or depended upon, it'll be selected with autoremove
2316 [15:31:46] <luxpir> FinalX: I've gone to remove the list I posted at 14:22 above, and because it's related to gtk stuff it's pulled in probably close to 100 packages.
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2318 [15:32:06] <FinalX> so the fix is to make sure that if you build a custom piece of software that relies on it, and package it, make sure dependencies are given correctly
2319 [15:32:15] <FinalX> well, same goes for packages beyond your control.
2320 [15:32:33] <FinalX> if they fucked up their dependencies, there's no way for apt to know which can or can not be safely removed.
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2324 [15:32:50] <luxpir> and will aptitude be any smarter if I use that?
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2326 [15:33:01] <luxpir> (saw an old forum post pointing someone to it)
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2333 [15:36:03] <petn-randall> luxpir: all packages that are installed are either marked automatically or manually installed. Looks like you removed a manually installed package, and now all these automatically installed packages have nothing that depend on them.
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2339 [15:36:46] <petn-randall> luxpir: The solution is to mark those you need with 'apt-get install <packagename>', and they'll be marked as manually installed. Then 'apt autoremove' will only show packages that are truly not needed by you anymore.
2340 [15:36:57] <Iridos> luxpir, if all those packages that are marked for autoremove are really only used by debian packages and not by anything you installed outside the package system, removing them is fine
2341 [15:37:10] <jelly> also "apt-mark manual"
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2344 [15:37:41] <jelly> and "apt-get unmarkauto"
2345 [15:38:14] <jelly> (because install may also upgrade something)
2346 [15:38:15] <Iridos> luxpir, if stuff you compiled yourself depends on random libraries, you should in some way insure the system knows they're needed (by unmarking them for autoremove or by dummy packages or whatever)… or else you'll have to wait if mind-reading applications are made
2347 [15:38:35] <jelly> Iridos: or package it up!
2348 [15:38:56] <jelly> dh-shlibdeps does a wonderful job, usually
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2357 [15:42:24] <luxpir> Iridos petn-randall Thanks - They were deb packages anyway, so looking at them I may get away with it...
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2359 [15:43:17] <todd_dsm> hey all, seeing some weird shell behavior after a minimal auto-install; the shell doesn't seem to know what 'declare' is and can't use 'source' but . /path/file seems to work. env | grep -i shell ==> SHELL=/bin/bash so I'm a bit confused. Is this a minimal shell that looks like bash?
2360 [15:43:41] <luxpir> Iridos: petn-randall: just concerned because this is exactly how I borked my n900
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2364 [15:44:45] <petn-randall> todd_dsm: Are you sure it doesn't say /bin/dash?
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2369 [15:46:09] <todd_dsm> petn-randall: that's a copy/paste from my output. but I did add the ==>
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2379 [15:48:14] <todd_dsm> I can also do: ls -l "$(echo $SHELL)" to make sure it's not a link to dash.
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2390 [15:55:44] <jelly> todd_dsm: ls -l $SHELL
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2395 [15:56:50] <jelly> todd_dsm: $SHELL has nothing to do with what /bin/sh points to, and normal users get /bin/bash as login shell by default
2396 [15:57:18] <todd_dsm> I added a variant of that to the script already; ls -l "$(echo $SHELL)"
2397 [15:57:51] <todd_dsm> crap, I see what you mean.
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2401 [15:58:47] <Jarrard> HEY
2402 [15:58:49] <todd_dsm> I thought the shebang "#!/usr/bin/env bash" would solve for that problem.
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2404 [15:59:01] <Jarrard> is there an easy way to make like, a skeleton folder
2405 [15:59:03] <todd_dsm> I see the error though.
2406 [15:59:13] <Jarrard> so then I can do something like mkdir skeleton_name ./target/
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2408 [15:59:18] <Jarrard> or somesuch
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2414 [16:01:43] <todd_dsm> jelly: the output confirms /bin/sh -> dash; can dash be omitted in the pressed file to ensure bash is the default interpreter? ex: d-i pkgsel/exclude string vim-tiny nano xserver-common dash ?
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2416 [16:02:40] <todd_dsm> Or rather, since I'm a CentOS guy moving to Debian, what's the proper method to make bash the default shell?
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2419 [16:03:55] <jelly> I don't know what's the canonical answer there
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2421 [16:03:57] <petemc> chsh
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2426 [16:04:24] <jelly> todd_dsm: bash _is_ the default login shell for users. It's just not the default /bin/sh
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2435 [16:06:35] <todd_dsm> grep User /etc/passwd - returns - User:1000:1000:Vagrant Default User,,,:/home/User:/bin/bash
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2437 [16:07:16] <steinex> Hi, i'm trying to use fuse/sshfs in jessie. However, there is no fuse group anymore to add my user to, /usr/share/doc/sshfs/README.Debian says i need fuse-utils which is not available anymore on jessie. Any hints?
2438 [16:07:25] <todd_dsm> Then specifying at the top of a script, this shebang "!/usr/bin/env bash"
2439 [16:07:43] <todd_dsm> why would scripts be executing against /bin/sh ?
2440 [16:07:45] <ksk> todd_dsm: dash is "Essential: yes" in Debian, so Id think you would have a hard time removing it. its debians system shell (for init (superseeded by systemd) and other scripts) - as its faster compared to bash
2441 [16:07:58] <jelly> steinex: the packages is now just "fuse"
2442 [16:08:18] <steinex> jelly: i have installed that one, however, this does not create the fuse group
2443 [16:08:32] <ksk> todd_dsm: they should not.
2444 [16:08:50] <RoyK> todd_dsm: just use #!/bin/bash
2445 [16:08:59] <todd_dsm> ask, that's why I'm confused
2446 [16:09:14] <todd_dsm> ksk, that's why I'm confused
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2451 [16:10:46] <ksk> todd_dsm: could you nopaste your setup? (btw, running a bash/sh/dash script does not set $SHELL - if that would be how you are testing ;)
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2453 [16:11:14] <todd_dsm> RoyK: I could do that sure. it's just against my understanding of "correct". ex: replaced-url
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2455 [16:11:59] <ksk> todd_dsm: oh, that was only partial right; bash does set it, dash and sh do not.
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2457 [16:12:28] <RoyK> todd_dsm: I don't really care what's "correct" or not, as long as it works, and #!/bin/bash certainly works
2458 [16:13:04] <todd_dsm> ksk: I just ask a series of questions in my first script: env | grep -i shell && echo "$SHELL"
2459 [16:13:04] <todd_dsm> ls -l "$(echo $SHELL)"
2460 [16:13:04] <todd_dsm> echo "$(type -P bash)"
2461 [16:13:04] <todd_dsm> ls -l "$(type -P bash)"
2462 [16:13:06] <todd_dsm> echo "$(type -P sh)"
2463 [16:13:06] <todd_dsm> ls -l "$(type -P sh)"
2464 [16:13:11] <ksk> !tell todd_dsm about paste
2465 [16:13:27] <todd_dsm> ok, I'll paste :-)
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2506 [16:37:54] <posi> So I am working on a ppa for brave, and am hoping to upstream the work. We are not creating src debs currently
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2508 [16:40:37] <posi> it's a bit of a weird package as we ship a fork of electron. Any way this gets upstreamed?
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2514 [16:42:45] <yottabyte> when installing debian from the usb tool, does it come with a desktop environment and drivers for sound and stuff?
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2516 [16:42:54] <johnkeates> yes
2517 [16:43:01] <yottabyte> is it gnome by default?
2518 [16:43:14] <johnkeates> yes
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2523 [16:43:22] <ksk> yottabyte: that depends on what debian install media you use, but you should be able to load it from the net using the default installer and choosing desktop
2524 [16:43:47] <yottabyte> cool
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2526 [16:44:01] <yottabyte> so debian is what ubuntu is built off of, right? less bloat/bells & whistles?
2527 [16:44:11] <johnkeates> yes
2528 [16:44:19] <Stiffler> synapse is out after upgrade any solutions?
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2530 [16:44:55] <jhutchins> yottabyte: Ubuntu was forked off of Debian many years ago, it is a different distribution with a lot of common code.
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2532 [16:45:06] <johnkeates> Stiffler: apt-get
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2536 [16:46:15] <Stiffler> i have installed it but its not working after dist-upgrade using testing
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2538 [16:46:32] <Stiffler> using stretch
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2540 [16:47:26] <jhutchins> Stiffler: You may be able to find more help in debian-next on oftc. If it's installed but not working it should be reported as a bug.
2541 [16:47:43] <Stiffler> ok ty
2542 [16:47:56] <johnkeates> Stiffler: apt-get
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2545 [16:49:29] <Stiffler> got it working weird
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2547 [16:49:42] <jhutchins> Stiffler: WHat did you do?
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2588 [17:02:13] <Stiffler> can anyone tell me about a good software that mint uses as usb writer for writting images iso to usb
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2590 [17:02:22] <Stiffler> and formatting usb drives gui
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2596 [17:04:39] <ksk> Stiffler: do you just want to put debian.iso onto a usbkey?
2597 [17:04:48] <ksk> !tell Stiffler about usb install
2598 [17:04:53] <ksk> bot dead :/
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2600 [17:05:07] <ksk> Stiffler: replaced-url
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2605 [17:06:32] <Stiffler> i want to burn ISO into USB
2606 [17:06:34] <Stiffler> any iso
2607 [17:06:41] <Stiffler> to make it bootable
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2610 [17:07:09] <Stiffler> i want the software to burn it into usb drive as bootable
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2612 [17:09:39] <Stiffler> another quesion : how to uninstall firefox-esr from debian
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2614 [17:09:47] <jelly> Stiffler: if it's a debian installer image, you just "cp blah.iso /dev/sdf"
2615 [17:09:58] <jelly> Stiffler: where sdf is the device for your usb stick
2616 [17:10:25] <Stiffler> any ISO not debian only linux-mint has a usb burn that burns iso into usb gui
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2618 [17:10:32] <Stiffler> i wanted to know that software name
2619 [17:10:50] <jelly> ksk: dselect is a second bot, you can use it when dpkg is dead
2620 [17:11:04] <jelly> Stiffler: GNU cp from GNU coreutils :-)
2621 [17:11:43] <Stiffler> i dont want to install all utilies .. but only that
2622 [17:11:50] <Stiffler> is it possiable
2623 [17:11:55] <jelly> you have cp by default on all linux installs.
2624 [17:12:06] <Stiffler> ?
2625 [17:12:15] <jelly> it's the standard command for copying stuff.
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2627 [17:12:46] <Stiffler> i want to burn iso .. not copy iy
2628 [17:12:54] <Stiffler> it* into bootable usb
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2633 [17:13:44] <Artej> Hej, can I run a headless xorg session from a script?
2634 [17:13:45] <jelly> Stiffler: correct. You "copy" it onto the whole device. That's how it works.
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2636 [17:14:00] <johanskizo> hey
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2638 [17:14:24] <Stiffler> ....
2639 [17:14:36] <Stiffler> u know .iso to usb burn software in windows?
2640 [17:14:41] <Stiffler> jelly?
2641 [17:14:41] <han-solo> heh
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2643 [17:14:51] <han-solo> just use cp, or dd
2644 [17:14:57] <jelly> dselect: win32diskimage
2645 [17:14:57] <dselect> jelly: wish i knew
2646 [17:14:58] <Artej> I need to run a nasty piece of software trying to launch a graphical dialogue before doing its stuff, I need to make a script for server to make a dummy xorg session before launching it
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2648 [17:14:59] <jelly> dselect: win32diskimager
2649 [17:15:12] <Stiffler> linux-mint had that in gui
2650 [17:15:12] <jelly> dselect: win32diskimager
2651 [17:15:12] <dselect> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
2652 [17:15:15] <Stiffler> i want that
2653 [17:15:16] <jelly> Stiffler: ^^
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2657 [17:15:24] <jelly> for windows.
2658 [17:15:31] <Stiffler> listen carefully pls
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2660 [17:15:43] <jelly> if you're on Mint, just use cp
2661 [17:15:56] <jelly> no need for a gui
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2663 [17:16:00] <Stiffler> their is a gui in linux mint which helps .iso into usb any iso files i wanted that
2664 [17:16:02] <Piraty> is there a way to grant a normal user the right to upgrade the system without giving him sudo right? like a "apt-upgrade" group or sth?
2665 [17:16:03] <Stiffler> yes i need gui
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2667 [17:16:26] <Stiffler> eveytime when i am working i dont like to use command line
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2669 [17:17:02] <jelly> Stiffler: there are tools like "unetbootin" but those do not work correctly with Debian images.
2670 [17:17:13] <johanskizo> how to run steam with bumblebee
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2673 [17:17:57] <Stiffler> unetbootbin is bad
2674 [17:18:02] <Stiffler> i worked with it
2675 [17:18:16] <jelly> Stiffler: cp works, that trumps your liking it or not. Are you doing this with a debian installer image or what?
2676 [17:18:21] <Stiffler> their is another software which linux mint has but i dont know the package name
2677 [17:18:36] <jelly> Stiffler: ah. Ask the mint people, then
2678 [17:18:38] <jelly> !mint
2679 [17:18:39] <Stiffler> any iso files not debian
2680 [17:18:46] <jelly> dselect: mint
2681 [17:18:46] <jhutchins> Stiffler: How on earth do you need a GUI to do a simple copy with cp?
2682 [17:18:46] <dselect> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
2683 [17:18:54] <Stiffler> i know
2684 [17:19:08] <jelly> we don't know what kinds of tools Mint has
2685 [17:19:09] <johanskizo> use rufus
2686 [17:19:18] <Stiffler> i only brought that simple cause debian is grand dad whch works in them will work in debian
2687 [17:19:22] <Stiffler> man
2688 [17:19:25] <jelly> dselect: rufus
2689 [17:19:25] <dselect> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
2690 [17:19:29] <Piraty> hello everyone. is there a way to grant a normal user the right to upgrade the system without giving him sudo right? like a "apt-upgrade" group or sth?
2691 [17:19:30] <Stiffler> u know rufus in only windows?
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2695 [17:19:44] <jelly> johanskizo: doesn't seem to apply if it's windows only?
2696 [17:19:44] <Artej> dselect fedora
2697 [17:19:44] <dselect> Fedora is the Red Hat-derived distribution of Linux, although it is not supported by Red Hat officially, you can get help from the community: #fedora on irc.freenode.net. replaced-url
2698 [17:19:56] <Artej> heh, you've got everything
2699 [17:20:03] <Artej> dselect headless xorg
2700 [17:20:03] <dselect> Artej: I give up, what is it?
2701 [17:20:06] <johanskizo> rufus desn't support linux platform? :(
2702 [17:20:08] <Stiffler> rufus is windwos only
2703 [17:20:15] <Stiffler> man where u guys from ....
2704 [17:20:40] <nmschulte> I'm having trouble resolving domain names on a Debian 8 VM (QEMU, on Debian Sid host). The machine is using usermode networking, and there is an ipv6 addr in /etc/resolv.conf -- I can't ping the gateway on my LAN from the VM.
2705 [17:20:40] <Stiffler> really what answer i am geting from debian irc makes my heart bleed
2706 [17:20:43] <jelly> Europe?
2707 [17:20:47] <nmschulte> Any ideas how to get networking going?
2708 [17:20:52] <johnkeates> trumpistan
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2711 [17:21:15] <johanskizo> hey it posible to make debian jessie terminal transparant?
2712 [17:21:15] <jelly> Stiffler: sorry, if you don't like CLI tools you're going to have a hard time anyway
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2714 [17:21:34] <abrotman> johanskizo: there are probably 30 terminal emulators for Xorg in Jessie ..
2715 [17:21:45] <jelly> Stiffler: if there's a tool in Mint the right place to ask is a Mint support channel
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2717 [17:22:26] <jelly> johanskizo: rxvt-unicode, konsole, and many others can be transparent
2718 [17:22:31] <nmschulte> I changed /etc/resolv.conf to 10.0.2.3 and it works now.
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2749 [17:33:19] <Emil> Hey
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2752 [17:33:35] <Emil> My Debian install is saying "You have new mail" all the frigging time
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2754 [17:33:42] <Emil> without there actually being new mail
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2756 [17:34:06] <Artej> but have you checked @Emil?
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2759 [17:35:22] <Emil> Yes
2760 [17:35:27] <RoyK> Emil: just run "mail" or "mutt" or "alpine" or something that checks for local mail - it should be in the file pointed to by the variable $MAIL
2761 [17:35:34] <Emil> Artej: I have catted the file, opened it in nano and whatnot
2762 [17:35:36] <jelly> Emil: ls -ld /var/mail/$USER
2763 [17:36:05] <jelly> show the output. Is the timestamp recent?
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2765 [17:36:24] <Emil> jelly: I manually updated the timestamp with opening and saving in nano and now it went away
2766 [17:36:31] <Emil> Before it worked with just catting
2767 [17:36:44] <Emil> jelly: timestamp was recent
2768 [17:37:12] <Emil> Another question: what is your preferred folder encryption program (cli)?
2769 [17:37:34] <Emil> Preferably block based so that changing one bit doesn't corrupt the whole thing
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2777 [17:40:27] <petn-randall> Emil: I'm guessing that is because a cron job is failing that is running as that user, and it gets delivered locally.
2778 [17:40:53] <petn-randall> Emil: Regardings your second question, LUKS.
2779 [17:40:57] <petn-randall> -s
2780 [17:40:57] <Emil> hmm
2781 [17:41:15] <petn-randall> Emil: cat /var/mail/$USER will tell you.
2782 [17:41:22] <jelly> luks only works on block devices, so full filesystems, not mere folders
2783 [17:41:50] <Emil> jelly: yeah, that's the problem: I'd rather have it encrypt folders and files
2784 [17:41:56] <Emil> instead of a full fs
2785 [17:42:23] <jelly> encfs is easy to use but has some crypto issues; ecryptfs is kernel based and a bit complicated
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2792 [17:44:42] <d3c0> !hi
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2794 [17:45:16] <d3c0> I can't install the pyodbc!! :(
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2801 [17:47:27] <jelly> d3c0: which debian release?
2802 [17:47:46] <jelly> !bat
2803 [17:47:52] <jelly> dselect: bat
2804 [17:47:52] <dselect> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2805 [17:48:13] <jelly> d3c0: ^^ pastebin all the info
2806 [17:48:33] <jelly> presumably of your python-pyodbc package installation attempt
2807 [17:49:06] <d3c0> I uninstalled the python-pyodbc
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2809 [17:51:13] <d3c0> pyodbc log : replaced-url
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2812 [17:52:04] <d3c0> jelly: what happens with this pyodbc?
2813 [17:52:20] <d3c0> jelly : debian 8 jessie
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2820 [17:55:07] <jelly> d3c0: why did you uninstall it?
2821 [17:55:09] <d3c0> jelly: do you have some ideas to install the pyodbc API ?
2822 [17:55:39] <d3c0> ok I gonna install right nw
2823 [17:55:51] <jelly> that doesn't answer the question
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2825 [17:56:13] <d3c0> I thought was the problem
2826 [17:56:18] <d3c0> It was
2827 [17:56:26] <d3c0> I think I wrong
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2829 [17:57:03] <jelly> also, I hope you're doing that pip install inside a virtualenv as normal user. Not as root.
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2833 [17:58:30] <d3c0> I already installed the python-pyodbc
2834 [17:58:56] <d3c0> I guest I shoul be but..
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2836 [17:59:29] <jelly> so at that point you should not need to install the same thing via pip
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2838 [17:59:55] <d3c0> jelly: ok
2839 [17:59:55] <jelly> !goal
2840 [18:00:05] <d3c0> 3 2 1...
2841 [18:00:24] <greycat> dselect: goal
2842 [18:00:25] <dselect> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
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2844 [18:01:35] <d3c0> what ?
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2848 [18:02:07] <jelly> d3c0: why are you installing pyodbc
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2850 [18:02:17] <jelly> %test
2851 [18:02:17] <dselect> Test failed.
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2853 [18:02:50] <d3c0> jelly: I need install this API to connect with a sqlserver
2854 [18:03:16] <jelly> ms sql server?
2855 [18:03:20] <d3c0> yes
2856 [18:03:44] <d3c0> I have the same error when I do this : pip install pyodbc !! :(
2857 [18:04:04] <greycat> *what* error
2858 [18:04:06] <jelly> d3c0: it's already installed! Why are you trying to install it again?!
2859 [18:04:12] <greycat> Also that.
2860 [18:04:21] <jelly> d3c0: fuck, just install python-pymssql
2861 [18:04:32] <jelly> and use it
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2864 [18:04:46] <jelly> ,i python-pymssql
2865 [18:04:47] <judd> Package python-pymssql (python, optional) in jessie/amd64: Python database access for MS SQL server and Sybase. Version: 1.0.2+dfsg-1+b3; Size: 50.7k; Installed: 168k
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2870 [18:05:27] <jelly> no reason to compile stuff when it's already present in the distro
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2872 [18:06:14] <jelly> (how did I find it? apt-cache search mssql python)
2873 [18:06:17] <d3c0> jelly: :D apt-get install python-pyodbc , pip install pyodbc ---fail
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2875 [18:06:36] <jelly> d3c0: YOU DO NOT NEED TO pip install pyodbc ANY MORE
2876 [18:06:49] <d3c0> jelly: ok ok!!
2877 [18:06:52] <greycat> He doesn't even need python-pyodbc either, according to what judd told us.
2878 [18:07:14] <greycat> Not that I know anything at all about accessing MS SQL server with python.
2879 [18:07:40] <d3c0> pyodbc API for this: replaced-url
2880 [18:07:42] <jelly> no idea if that package relies on pyodbc or uses freetds directly
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2883 [18:08:41] <todd_dsm> changing the shebang to "#!/bin/bash" fixed the issue. turns out, the script was run with sudo so the default shell for root is /bin/sh.
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2888 [18:09:15] <jelly> d3c0: so skip the step for installing pyodbc, you've done that, and move to the next step of whatever tutorial you're blindly following
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2891 [18:09:44] <todd_dsm> Question, why was dash implemented over bash? I'd like to understand the philosophy of the debian system.
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2893 [18:09:56] <jelly> todd_dsm: it's smaller and starts faster
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2895 [18:10:56] <jelly> if, for example, someone's using an init system that relies a lot on /bin/sh scripts, it adds up to a measurable effect
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2902 [18:14:19] <todd_dsm> jelly: that's it? nothing about being more POSIX compliant or something really meaty?
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2904 [18:14:41] <jelly> if anything bash is probably less buggy and more compliant
2905 [18:14:50] <greycat> Differently buggy.
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2908 [18:15:05] <jelly> mksh for everyone!
2909 [18:15:19] <greycat> Every shell has a unique set of bugs. Like a snowflake full of ants.
2910 [18:16:02] <jelly> todd_dsm: amusingly there's a shell in Debian that aims to _only_ implement the POSIX sh compliant features, nothing more, nothing less
2911 [18:16:09] <jelly> ,i posh
2912 [18:16:18] <d3c0> jelly: ok the same error :'(
2913 [18:16:28] <d3c0> I gonna reinstall this ...
2914 [18:16:30] <greycat> *what* error
2915 [18:16:33] <judd> Package posh (shells, optional) in jessie/amd64: Policy-compliant Ordinary SHell. Version: 0.12.3; Size: 85.6k; Installed: 201k; Screenshot: replaced-url
2916 [18:16:47] <jelly> d3c0: which error? which command did you run?
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2918 [18:17:01] <jelly> judd: wow you're slow today
2919 [18:17:01] <greycat> Hint: we can't see your screen.
2920 [18:17:26] <todd_dsm> I can :-|
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2922 [18:17:39] <d3c0> jelly: I run django framework, doesn't find the pyodbc
2923 [18:18:12] <d3c0> Error loading pyodbc module: No module named 'pyodbc'
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2928 [18:19:20] <jelly> d3c0: does this django thing use python2 or python3?
2929 [18:19:39] <d3c0> interesting, I use the 3
2930 [18:20:18] <jelly> debian 8 does not seem to ship a build of pyodbc for python3
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2932 [18:20:56] <TomTomTo1> and the pip command is for installing python 2 packages.
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2934 [18:21:11] <jelly> is it now? I honestly have no idea
2935 [18:21:11] <d3c0> what ?
2936 [18:21:30] <d3c0> :'( are you sure?
2937 [18:21:32] <TomTomTo1> yes, pip3 is for python 3.
2938 [18:21:38] <TomTomTo1> man pip ^^
2939 [18:21:42] <FinalX> apt-get install python3-pip ..
2940 [18:21:43] <d3c0> :=
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2942 [18:21:59] <d3c0> let me do that
2943 [18:22:04] <jelly> ,v python3-pip
2944 [18:22:05] <judd> Package: python3-pip on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.1-3; jessie: 1.5.6-5; stretch: 8.1.2-2; sid: 8.1.2-3; stretch: 8.1.2-3
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2946 [18:22:14] <jelly> ,i python3-pip
2947 [18:22:15] <judd> Package python3-pip (python, optional) in jessie/amd64: alternative Python package installer - Python 3 version of the package. Version: 1.5.6-5; Size: 94.9k; Installed: 441k; Homepage: replaced-url
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2949 [18:23:13] <d3c0> installing xD
2950 [18:23:32] <jelly> that would explain why the relevant -dev package was apparently not installed
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2964 [18:25:54] <jelly> ,v python3-pyodbc
2965 [18:25:55] <judd> Package: python3-pyodbc on amd64 -- stretch: 3.0.10-2; sid: 3.0.10-2
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2969 [18:27:26] <jelly> d3c0: I'm guessing wildly you'll also want to install tdsodbc
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2978 [18:29:34] <d3c0> BOYS!!
2979 [18:29:41] <d3c0> you are the best!!
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2981 [18:29:49] <d3c0> xD
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2984 [18:30:06] <d3c0> the pip3 was the solution my god!
2985 [18:30:17] <Guest8095> Hey folks, who can point me to the right direction in understanding why a Jessie installation I've done on 3 machines multiple times doesn't want to boot from any of them after installation? I suspect this has to do with UEFI and Legacy boot, but I have no idea why it doesn't work by default and/or how to fix it
2986 [18:30:39] <Guest8095> After everything goes well and the machine reboots after installation, I just get a blank screen and it won't boot grub
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2989 [18:31:28] <Guest8095> And I've tried changing the BIOS settings to enable/disable UEFI, and/or to use just one or the other, all with the same unsuccessful result
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2996 [18:32:08] <petn-randall> Hi Guest8095, how did you prepare the installation medium? That is, what image did you use, and with what commands did you put it into the CD/DVD/USB device?
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3001 [18:33:15] <petn-randall> Guest8095: In general it will only boot in the same mode as it was installed. That is pretty universal for all OSes, even Windows. So if you flipped from UEFI to BIOS or other way around after installation, you'll always get an unbootable system.
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3015 [18:36:08] <Guest8095> petn-randall, standard jessie netinstall image, saved to USB stick with unetbootin
3016 [18:36:16] <missmbob> !unetbootin
3017 [18:36:16] <Guest8095> It booted just fine from the stick for install
3018 [18:36:35] <missmbob> anyway, you cant use that
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3020 [18:36:48] <missmbob> unetbootin is known to break debian installer images
3021 [18:36:50] <Guest8095> ah gee, ok good to know
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3023 [18:36:52] <Guest8095> Thanks
3024 [18:36:58] <missmbob> are you using windows?
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3030 [18:37:37] <missmbob> which OS are you copying the iso to the usb with?
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3033 [18:38:00] <Elgixy> Hi, i just installed Jessie Gnome from DVD , i was able to put icon on the top bar. I want to do the same on Jessie, is it possible ?
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3036 [18:39:29] <petn-randall> dselect: unetbootin
3037 [18:39:29] <dselect> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
3038 [18:39:33] <petn-randall> Guest8095: ^^^^
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3040 [18:40:05] <mtn> Elgixy: what were you using when you could put the icon on the top bar?
3041 [18:40:13] <petn-randall> Elgixy: Gnome is part of jessie. Do you mean xfce4?
3042 [18:40:49] <Elgixy> mtn: i was using Wizzy with Gnome desktop
3043 [18:41:05] <mtn> Elgixy: you mean wheezy?
3044 [18:41:12] <Elgixy> sorry yes
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3046 [18:41:46] <mtn> Elgixy: what kind of icons? apps or notification icons?
3047 [18:42:05] <Elgixy> app icons
3048 [18:42:17] <Guest8095> !usb install
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3050 [18:42:26] <mtn> Elgixy: I am sure there is some sort of extension you can install, but you will have to find the name by using a search engine
3051 [18:42:43] <mtn> Elgixy: gnome has lots of extensions available
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3055 [18:43:12] <missmbob> Guest8095: you answer questions if you want better help
3056 [18:43:54] <Elgixy> mtn: what kind of extension ? don't you think it's already on DVD1 ?
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3058 [18:44:23] <mtn> Elgixy: they are called gnome extensions. some you can see in the tweak tool. others can be added from there, too
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3060 [18:44:44] <Elgixy> so what exactly the name of the ext i need ?
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3062 [18:44:56] <petn-randall> Guest8095: /msg dselect usb install
3063 [18:45:12] <petn-randall> Guest8095: Our main bot dpkg is currently broken.
3064 [18:45:21] <Guest8095> petn-randall, right, figured it and already done so. Thanks!
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3066 [18:45:51] <mtn> Elgixy: did you not see where I said to use a search engine to find it?
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3071 [18:47:01] <Elgixy> mtn : you just said extension , and lots of it, what do i need ?
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3073 [18:47:23] <mtn> Elgixy: one that puts icons on the panel? sounds like it to me ;)
3074 [18:47:32] <greycat> replaced-url
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3077 [18:47:52] <mtn> yay! google to the rescue!
3078 [18:48:02] <Elgixy> the programs i have written in Qt dont look the way i want.
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3080 [18:48:14] <greycat> He's a programmer and he can't figure out how to ask google a question?
3081 [18:48:15] <Elgixy> is it Gtk ?
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3083 [18:48:22] <greycat> yes, gnome uses gtk
3084 [18:48:24] <mtn> heh
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3086 [18:48:45] <benlue> replaced-url
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3088 [18:48:50] <benlue> :P
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3091 [18:49:18] <Elgixy> greycat: as you said i code programs, and i use linux only because i feel its secure, especially linux live.
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3095 [18:49:52] <Elgixy> i dont have time to check how linux colors desktop environment.
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3101 [18:50:05] <greycat> *plonk*
3102 [18:50:16] <greycat> Then I don't have time to listen to you whine.
3103 [18:50:18] <missmbob> "i build rockets but i dont understand chemistry"
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3110 [18:52:36] <Elgixy> mtn: please give me a better clue, i have seen people spoon feed kids here for very simple quesitons. i want my Wheezy desktop style back in Jessie , thats all.
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3114 [18:53:07] <mtn> Elgixy: log out, choose gnome classic, I think it is, log in
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3116 [18:53:21] <jelly> Elgixy: possibly switch to mate desktop environment if gnome classic is not close enough
3117 [18:53:29] <Elgixy> in Wheezy thats what i do. Here it didnt work
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3120 [18:53:47] * mtn looks for a very large spoon
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3122 [18:53:55] <jelly> gnome 3 in jessie is a lot different from 2.x in wheezy
3123 [18:54:05] <missmbob> jelly just gave him the spoon. install mate
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3125 [18:54:14] <mtn> there is no spoon
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3128 [18:54:41] <jelly> mate is a fork of gnome 2 iirc
3129 [18:54:55] <jelly> %mate
3130 [18:55:15] <jelly> ,i task-mate-desktop
3131 [18:55:20] <dselect> The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2, available since Debian 8 "Jessie" (and also in wheezy-backports). To install, ask me about <install mate>. replaced-url
3132 [18:55:34] <judd> Package task-mate-desktop (tasks, optional) in jessie/amd64: MATE. Version: 3.31+deb8u1; Size: 1.0k; Installed: 21k
3133 [18:55:44] <jelly> dselect: why are you slow, you don't even use the database thingy!
3134 [18:55:44] <dselect> jelly: I think you lost me on that one
3135 [18:55:49] <Elgixy> ok i will check mate, thanks mate !
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3137 [18:56:20] <KB3VGW-> ok anyone know how to rem a custom made device
3138 [18:56:32] <jelly> rem?
3139 [18:56:32] <KB3VGW-> having issues with rm a rtc I added
3140 [18:56:43] <jelly> how did you add it?
3141 [18:56:47] <KB3VGW-> remove
3142 [18:57:42] <KB3VGW-> I folled the page on how toset it up
3143 [18:57:59] <jelly> ah, the page.
3144 [18:58:03] <jelly> which page?!
3145 [18:58:04] <mtn> heh
3146 [18:58:12] <KB3VGW-> and I tried the echo 0xid >> path/delete.device
3147 [18:58:34] <KB3VGW-> 1 min
3148 [18:58:36] <greycat> what in the hell is that even supposed to do
3149 [18:58:55] <jelly> KB3VGW-: which debian release are you using, and are you using some sort of unusual or embedded hardware plaform?
3150 [18:58:57] <greycat> Starting with "0xid is not a valid hexadecimal number"
3151 [18:59:09] <KB3VGW-> like 0x51
3152 [18:59:12] <jelly> I assumed that was pseudocode
3153 [18:59:17] <KB3VGW-> yes
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3155 [18:59:20] <insane_tesla> hi
3156 [18:59:21] <greycat> Why can't you just write 0x51 then? It's not any longer.
3157 [18:59:30] <KB3VGW-> well it had 2 id
3158 [18:59:33] <jelly> because "path/delete.device" isn't a valid /sys/ path either
3159 [18:59:38] <KB3VGW-> 2 diff chips I tried
3160 [18:59:43] <greycat> What's the signifance of 0x51, what device node did you ACTUALLY write it to, what did youe expect to happen, what happened?
3161 [18:59:45] <KB3VGW-> 51 and 68
3162 [18:59:46] <insane_tesla> I've got a simple question: Why deleting a directory has to be done recursively?
3163 [19:00:07] <greycat> You can't delete a directory with stuff in it. It has to be empty.
3164 [19:00:07] <jhutchins> insane_tesla: You have to delete what's in it first.
3165 [19:00:08] <insane_tesla> even if the directory is empty
3166 [19:00:10] <jelly> insane_tesla: to avoid leaving cruft in the filesystem
3167 [19:00:20] <greycat> You can delete an empty directory: rmdir dirname
3168 [19:00:34] <jhutchins> insane_tesla: It just follows the standard procedure even if it's empty so it's consistent.
3169 [19:00:52] <jhutchins> insane_tesla: Also makes sure you know you're deleting a directory, not a symlink or file.
3170 [19:01:24] <KB3VGW-> looking for the page 1 min
3171 [19:01:35] * jelly awaits with bated breath
3172 [19:01:53] <KB3VGW-> replaced-url
3173 [19:02:02] <jelly> KB3VGW-: which debian release are you using, and are you using some sort of unusual or embedded hardware plaform?
3174 [19:02:13] <KB3VGW-> arm
3175 [19:02:21] <KB3VGW-> pi
3176 [19:02:29] <jelly> do you have an actual debian installation there, or raspbian?
3177 [19:02:34] <greycat> I bet it's not even Debian. Probably Raspbian.
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3179 [19:02:50] <KB3VGW-> raspbian
3180 [19:03:00] <KB3VGW-> its debian
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3182 [19:03:08] <greycat> %raspbian
3183 [19:03:10] <jelly> KB3VGW-: ask in #raspbian channel, then
3184 [19:03:12] <dselect> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
3185 [19:03:27] <KB3VGW-> I did they sent me here
3186 [19:03:50] <jhutchins> KB3VGW-: Bad on them then.
3187 [19:03:52] <jelly> let me look at #raspbian logs
3188 [19:03:57] <greycat> Probably because you wrote bullshit like echo 0xid >> path/delete.device instead of something actually meaningful.
3189 [19:03:58] <surge> Is make your only option if you want to use the latest update of software that's not in the repository?
3190 [19:04:11] <KB3VGW-> ok
3191 [19:04:14] <KB3VGW-> like
3192 [19:04:16] <jelly> KB3VGW-: when was this?
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3194 [19:04:29] <jelly> KB3VGW-: don't see you there in the last 12 hours
3195 [19:04:37] <jhutchins> !tell surge about ssb
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3197 [19:05:01] <KB3VGW-> was looking logs diff server not freenode
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3200 [19:05:14] <KB3VGW-> so on freenode I had not been in that channel
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3203 [19:05:36] <missmbob> no time like the present
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3205 [19:05:49] <TomTomTo1> surge: depends on the software.
3206 [19:05:57] <surge> Snort
3207 [19:06:21] <jelly> KB3VGW-: if you remember who sent you to #debian, maybe mention it so they can receive a spanking
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3209 [19:06:48] <jelly> this channel typically knows fuck-all about device trees or r.pi
3210 [19:06:48] <TomTomTo1> ,checkbackport snort
3211 [19:06:51] <judd> Backporting package snort in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libdaq-dev.
3212 [19:06:57] <TomTomTo1> :/
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3215 [19:07:24] <TomTomTo1> ,checkbackport daq
3216 [19:07:25] <judd> Backporting package daq in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
3217 [19:07:26] <KB3VGW-> ok jelly
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3219 [19:07:34] <KB3VGW-> on raspbian channel now
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3221 [19:08:21] <TomTomTo1> surge: sid has 2.9.7 if that's fine for you. you would have to backport daq first, then snort. the bot already sent instructions.
3222 [19:08:39] <jelly> [17:52] <KB3VGW> have to get a diff chip for the pi #raspbian yesterday, UTC timezone
3223 [19:08:40] <TomTomTo1> surge: otherwise, if you want to build it from upstream source, have a look at checkinstall.
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3225 [19:09:11] <surge> okay
3226 [19:09:17] <jelly> KB3VGW-: so it was freenode, but not today and I don't see anyone telling you to ask in #debian
3227 [19:09:26] <surge> I used ./configure and it said i needed libcap
3228 [19:09:45] <greycat> The find the libcap devel package and install that and repeat.
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3230 [19:10:00] <jelly> KB3VGW-: if anything, #debian-arm on OFTC (irc.oftc.net, or irc.debian.org is the same thing) would be a better place
3231 [19:10:06] <greycat> apt-cache search --names-only lib cap -dev
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3233 [19:10:07] <KB3VGW-> no it was on efnet
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3235 [19:10:13] <greycat> oops, that was the wrong one...
3236 [19:10:15] <jelly> ah
3237 [19:10:18] <greycat> apt-cache search --names-only -- lib cap -dev
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3239 [19:10:25] <surge> okay
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3252 [19:14:41] <jhutchins> According to this replaced-url
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3295 [19:30:58] <vjacob> Hello all. I am getting an error from fsck (upon boot jumping out to maintenance mode) indicating that the filesystem of my /home partition according to superblock has a size which is larger than the physical size of the device. What would be the best way to resolve such a situation?
3296 [19:31:07] <vjacob> the last thing that I did was use a lvresize command (the partitions are all of them LVM-based)
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3328 [19:44:47] <jelly> vjacob: roughly: 1) carefully restore old LV geometry and size from lvm backups of the relevant VG 2) next time, _first_ shrink the filesystem _then_ shrink the underlying block device (the LV in question)
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3330 [19:45:06] <jelly> /etc/lvm/backups/
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3332 [19:45:41] <jelly> /etc/lvm/backup/ that is *
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3337 [19:47:02] <humbag> oops
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3344 [19:48:34] <vjacob> jelly: thank you very much. I will try that
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3356 [19:52:21] <vjacob> jelly what would I be looking for in particular in that backup file, if you have any thoughts on this? What am I hoping to find in there? Something in the logical volumes section?
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3370 [19:59:42] <vjacob> jelly might I be able to do something like what is shown in example 4 here? replaced-url
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3381 [20:01:56] <vjacob> I guess not
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3398 [20:08:22] <vjacob> is there any way that I can simply mount ignoring any partition size errors? (Read-only using -o ro) ?
3399 [20:08:23] <missmbob> why would ccache not be reading ~/.ccache/ccache.conf?
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3404 [20:10:48] <missmbob> even if i add it to /etc/ccache.conf and ccache -s it doesn't show the changes. hrm
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3411 [20:13:51] <jelly> vjacob: use vgcfgrestore to restore the whole VG state to what it was before the messup
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3413 [20:15:26] <vjacob> jelly: thanks again for sharing your help
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3415 [20:15:39] <vjacob> your advice I mean and offering to help
3416 [20:15:41] <jelly> vjacob: you're welcome. Also if there's noone else around knowledgeable in lvm, try the #lvm channel here on freenode
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3420 [20:16:30] <jelly> vjacob: also I didn't read the link you pasted just yet, busy with something right now
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3422 [20:17:45] <vjacob> jelly: no bother. I dont think its worth reading that page either way. thanks for the tip about #lvm
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3433 [20:24:02] <vjacob> jelly: I dont think vgcfgrestore is going to work, I am seeing errors with "vgcfgrestore -v -l"
3434 [20:24:33] <vjacob> on the surface it appeared to complete and work, but with the -l it seems there were a lot of things it was unable to do, and neither fsck gives different results nor does a reboot change matters
3435 [20:24:56] <vjacob> we may be down to trying to clone by block and then restoring somehow
3436 [20:25:13] <vjacob> I am unsure how to "retrieve" the old geometry
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3438 [20:25:55] <vjacob> since it was a series of lvresize commands. regardless if I knew them lvresize does not allow me to change given the error status on the parition
3439 [20:25:58] <vjacob> partition
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3441 [20:26:27] <jelly> vjacob: ah yes. vgcfgrestore changes the state on disk, but not in kernel. You need to vgchange -an that VG, and -ay it back online
3442 [20:27:02] <jelly> no LVs can be in use for vgchange -an to work
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3444 [20:27:11] <vjacob> right, so I would have to do it from the boot menu
3445 [20:27:31] <jelly> or just reboot instead
3446 [20:27:47] <vjacob> but a reboot did not change it
3447 [20:27:50] <vjacob> tried that earlier
3448 [20:28:30] <jelly> you did a reboot after vgcfgrestore?
3449 [20:28:46] <vjacob> yes, that is why I wrote the last part of the sentence at 20:24:33
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3451 [20:29:19] <jelly> perhaps you picked the wrong restore point?
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3453 [20:30:22] <jelly> vjacob: pastebin the current output of "lsblk", "ls -la /etc/lvm/backup/". What was the size of the affected LV before?
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3455 [20:30:56] <d3c0> !hi again
3456 [20:31:07] <d3c0> wine is 100 % sure to use?
3457 [20:31:12] <jelly> vjacob: dumpe2fs -h /dev/vgname/lvname will tell you the size in blocks if you don't remember, that's good enough as well
3458 [20:31:23] <jelly> d3c0: nothing is 100% sure. NO WARRANTY
3459 [20:32:09] <d3c0> :) ok
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3461 [20:32:16] <d3c0> go to install !!
3462 [20:32:21] <d3c0> xD
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3466 [20:33:22] <vjacob> jelly, but what would I do with that size amount?
3467 [20:33:32] <d3c0> I need install sone ide to connect with the f sqlserver !
3468 [20:33:43] <jelly> vjacob: you would be able to figure out which backup is the right one
3469 [20:33:46] <vjacob> jelly, getting the output as you requested, just need to finish booting
3470 [20:34:11] <jelly> (that is, which vg backup has the LV size matching the filesystem size)
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3475 [20:36:10] <jelly> also consider grabbing some sort of live cd/dvd/usb linux so you can do "vgchange -an vgname" without having to reboot as much
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3478 [20:36:27] <jelly> grml.org isn't bad and is debian-based
3479 [20:36:34] <vjacob> but there is only one file in there in the /etc/lvm/backup for this volume group. the /etc/lvm/archive dir contains a bunch of files
3480 [20:36:49] <jelly> oh, right
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3483 [20:37:22] <jelly> don't trust everything people tell you on irc!
3484 [20:37:52] <vjacob> :)
3485 [20:38:13] <jelly> well then ls -la /etc/lvm/archive/ :-)
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3491 [20:39:08] <vjacob> yeah.... :)
3492 [20:39:12] <vjacob> this might be a long night
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3502 [20:45:55] <jelly> vjacob: I'll be afk for a bit, maybe an hour, but now you figured out the _right_ place for previous version backups of VG info, i think you'll be able to at least get the system back to the previous working state
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3505 [20:46:21] <vjacob> jelly: thanks a lot
3506 [20:46:27] <vjacob> cya around sometime :D
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3525 [20:51:43] <aem34i> How can I disable raw socket processing on an specific interface?
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3538 [20:58:06] <vjacob> jelly: I just want to say.... you the man!
3539 [20:58:51] <obiwahn> aem34i: interfaces are usually not in promiscuous mode
3540 [20:59:14] * vjacob watches hits the switch and watches the rocket boosters turn white... and /home loads
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3547 [21:02:52] <tecuzin> Hi
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3561 [21:09:15] <koowgnojeel> [Q] I have installed libuser however with '# lid' I get 'command not found'.
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3563 [21:11:15] <koowgnojeel> with 'dpkg -L libuser' I get '/usr/sbin/lbuser-lid' and with 'sudo libuser-lid' I get '/etc/libuser.conf': no such file or directory.
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3570 [21:13:34] <koowgnojeel> [A] fixed with 'sudo touch /etc/libuser.conf' - replaced-url
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3573 [21:14:11] <posi> I am building a package where the build install is managed by npm. Even worse i need a recent version of npm. Would it be crazy for my deb-src to bring it's own chrooted npm?
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3593 [21:22:57] <obiwahn> posi search for nvm
3594 [21:23:12] <posi> haha i was thinking about nvm
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3597 [21:23:27] <posi> obiwahn: is this forbidden in packages?
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3602 [21:24:23] <obiwahn> forbidden?
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3604 [21:24:36] <hotwings> is /lib/systemd/system the correct place for a custom .service file i need to make? or should user-made .service files be placed somewhere else?
3605 [21:24:37] <obiwahn> i think you can upgrade npm using npm
3606 [21:24:39] <foormea> hi. i'm looking for a general linux&sysadmin reference book. "linux in a nutshell" seems to have had no new edition since 2010. do you still recommend it, or do you recommend some other book? (i realise my question is not debian-specific but i'm not sure where else to ask :/)
3607 [21:24:51] <obiwahn> i tend to install everything as user
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3609 [21:25:07] <obiwahn> so i do not mess up the system ...
3610 [21:25:42] <obiwahn> foormea: read manages or ask here
3611 [21:25:55] <obiwahn> What do you need to know?
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3614 [21:26:58] <foormea> i just want a general reference book. i find linux in a nutshell really good to remind me of how to use stuff like sed or awk or regex etc, after not using those tools for a while
3615 [21:27:13] <foormea> i find the book pretty good to get started and as a mini reference
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3618 [21:27:54] <foormea> so yeah, i'm used to manpages and google and occasionally asking stuff on IRC
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3621 [21:28:38] <foormea> i just want something paper for a change, straight to the point, not a manpage, not online
3622 [21:28:50] <foormea> well that sort of format
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3625 [21:29:57] <greycat> %handbook
3626 [21:29:57] <dselect> The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at replaced-url
3627 [21:30:08] <greycat> I don't know how good it is, though.
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3630 [21:30:23] <jhutchins> foormea: The nutshell books are ok. Running Linux (O'Reilly) is decent, but it goes back to early RedHat.
3631 [21:30:27] <obiwahn> ok - Sorry I do understand what you are looking for, but can not help you. I had always some task to solve, general guides had usually not enough detail.
3632 [21:30:44] <jhutchins> foormea: They are a good place to start, and more current info tends not to be in printed books anyway.
3633 [21:30:52] <jhutchins> foormea: The Linux System Administrator's Guide is an excellent general resource: replaced-url
3634 [21:31:24] <jhutchins> Also a bit dated and rethat-ish, but still good basics and good practices.
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3637 [21:33:10] <obiwahn> foormea: you can learn a lot of interesting stuff just reading #bash
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3639 [21:33:31] <foormea> mhhhhhhh yeah i suppose i could just print some cheat sheets (sed, awk, regexp, common admin/monitoring tools [sar, iostat, ps, tcpdump...] with a summary of their options/flags)
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3641 [21:33:50] <foormea> cause really you guys are right
3642 [21:33:54] <greycat> sar? common?
3643 [21:34:03] <Emil> Hey
3644 [21:34:11] <Emil> Could someone help with a makefile?
3645 [21:34:15] <greycat> STANDARDS CONFORMANCE
3646 [21:34:15] <greycat> sar: SVID2, SVID3
3647 [21:34:21] <Emil> ?
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3649 [21:34:36] <Emil> Oh, a reply to someone else
3650 [21:34:44] <greycat> If you've been reading books that say sar is common, I say you're in the wrong decade. And the wrong universe.
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3654 [21:35:18] <obiwahn> Emil: I am good with cmake:P but for simple make it should be enough. Ask your question and we shall see:P
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3656 [21:35:33] <Emil> obiwahn: replaced-url
3657 [21:35:47] <jhutchins> Emil: You might want to paste it to paste.debian.net
3658 [21:35:48] <Emil> made sure there is src and obj dirs
3659 [21:35:50] <foormea> i haven't been reading books saying that sar is common, i'm just state sar as an example of something i could have a cheatsheet for. i take it you don't find sar useful, or is it deprecated? i don't know, i'm asking an honest questeion
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3661 [21:36:26] <Emil> obiwahn: I made sure there are src and obj dirs
3662 [21:36:28] <greycat> It's a System V tool, for proprietary Unices.
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3664 [21:36:39] <obiwahn> Emil: what is the problem
3665 [21:36:43] <greycat> It's not installed in Debian, at least not by default.
3666 [21:36:52] <Emil> and src has one .h and two .c files
3667 [21:36:55] <foormea> yep no it's part of the sysstat package
3668 [21:37:12] <Emil> obiwahn: fatal error, no input files
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3673 [21:38:07] <obiwahn> $(OBJ): $(OBJDIR)/%.o : $(SRCDIR)/%.c looks odd
3674 [21:38:34] <Emil> from this stack overflow
3675 [21:38:35] <Emil> replaced-url
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3677 [21:39:11] <greycat> Emil: if you're writing your own Makefiles from scratch, I think the recommended channel is ##workingset
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3679 [21:39:39] <foormea> greycat: replaced-url
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3682 [21:39:59] <Emil> greycat: I'm only interested in taking at as far as you can see in the makefile, just that simple makefile
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3684 [21:40:23] <greycat> It stopped being simple when you made multiple subdirectories for a project that has THREE source files.
3685 [21:40:36] <foormea> but anyway. thanks for everyone's response regarding book opinions!
3686 [21:40:38] <greycat> Just put them all in one directory, write a 4 line makefile, done.
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3690 [21:42:11] <Emil> greycat: would be awesome if I could reuse it elsewhere
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3692 [21:42:37] <obiwahn> lets fix it in workingset
3693 [21:42:39] <greycat> Then go ask ##workingset for whatever fancy template you want. That's the channel that supports makefiles.
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3713 [21:49:43] <shtrb> anyone can suggest a usb wifi dongle ( non RTL8188) up to 50$ that works in debian ? (you can run hostapd on it)
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3722 [21:52:59] <jhutchins> shtrb: Most work pretty well, but you can never be sure what chipset you're getting. Some manufacturers change chipsets without renaming the device.
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3724 [21:53:54] <shtrb> Yeh , I bought three already and all hold the same RTL8188 that isn't supported
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3728 [21:54:22] <jhutchins> shtrb: Wow, that's some winning streak.
3729 [21:54:31] <shtrb> or a very common chipset
3730 [21:54:58] <jhutchins> shtrb: Probably a good idea to search "linux usb wifi" and find accounts of models that work.
3731 [21:55:38] <SuperTramp83> shtrb: replaced-url
3732 [21:55:52] <shtrb> someone gave me a link to a store that suppose to sell AR based
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3734 [21:55:58] <shtrb> yeh the same link
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3736 [21:56:54] <SuperTramp83> those will work with any distro, they don't require proprietary firmware
3737 [21:57:42] <shtrb> thank you
3738 [21:58:10] <SuperTramp83> yw
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3743 [21:59:11] <Emil> obiwahn: managed to help me fix the file. Here's for others interested replaced-url
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3748 [22:01:31] <posi> Are source packages allowed to download things?
3749 [22:01:45] <posi> Like what if i had a curl ... | bash in my src package?
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3751 [22:01:52] <somiaj> posi: not by new policy.
3752 [22:02:16] <posi> somiaj: ok so what should I do if i want a new nodejs/npm for a package?
3753 [22:02:35] <somiaj> posi: replaced-url
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3755 [22:03:05] <jhutchins> posi: Make it a dependency. Package it if necessary/possible, or provide instructions for getting and installing it if not.
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3757 [22:03:30] <posi> jhutchins: but what happens when i want npm install?
3758 [22:03:39] <posi> and it downloads all the javascript
3759 [22:04:35] <somiaj> posi: are you trying to figure out policy for a package you are creating?
3760 [22:04:52] <somiaj> posi: (i.e. a package you want to get into debian) or just trying to create a package for your own local use?
3761 [22:05:00] <posi> I'm trying to create a ppa for the brace webbrowser
3762 [22:05:14] <posi> Brave
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3764 [22:05:29] <somiaj> then you should ask #ubuntu about their policies. Debian doens't use ppa's
3765 [22:05:43] <somiaj> it might be different than debian
3766 [22:05:52] <posi> Well I'm trying to make a src Dev
3767 [22:05:56] <posi> Deb
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3769 [22:06:22] <somiaj> sure but source packages not made for Debian may have different policy they have to follow.
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3772 [22:06:44] <posi> I think Debian is important
3773 [22:06:48] <somiaj> as for debian policy, you may get a better answer on the debian policy needed in your case in #debian-mentors.
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3776 [22:06:54] <posi> So not going to give up on Debian packages
3777 [22:07:00] <posi> Kk
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3779 [22:07:07] <somiaj> posi: sure, but ubuntu has different policy. So a .deb for ubuntu may not require the same considreations.
3780 [22:08:02] <somiaj> posi: #debian-mentors is on irc.oftc.net there is alos #packaging, but thta is more for general questions, not related to policy to get into debian as much.
3781 [22:08:30] <posi> Lets only considered Debian for now
3782 [22:09:38] <somiaj> posi: my understanding is the source package should not be attempting network access when building. But I think it is okay (not positive on the scope here) to have pre/post install scripts download stuff (there are packages in debian that do this)
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3785 [22:11:57] <jhutchins> posi: I don't think you're working with debian packages anyway, so the standards don't apply. Good practices might, but if you're using a perl package manager anyway, you've already left the system.
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3787 [22:12:26] <jhutchins> posi: The Debian way would be to build a .deb package.
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3791 [22:13:24] <posi> I want to do the Debian way
3792 [22:13:43] <posi> But it seems like anything using js is doomed
3793 [22:13:56] <posi> I am currently trying to construct a source package
3794 [22:14:12] <posi> Amd it won't work because NPM wants to reach out of the network
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3834 [22:27:40] <samodid> Hi there
3835 [22:27:41] <samodid> I'm searching for manual or example howto add package to install iso
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3840 [22:28:19] <samodid> I want to have iso with all package and install os without internet connection
3841 [22:28:40] <samodid> could someone help me ?
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3843 [22:29:07] <gebruiker> samodid: you want to create a debian installer with all the packages?
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3846 [22:30:08] <samodid> gebruiker: I want to remaster debian netinstall iso, with my preseed file and additional packages
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3851 [22:31:47] <gebruiker> samodid: have you looked at replaced-url
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3862 [22:34:38] <samodid> no,I have not
3863 [22:34:53] <samodid> going to read, thanks
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3865 [22:35:15] <fripster> can I please ask a question?
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3870 [22:36:09] <gebruiker> fripster: hi, sure
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3873 [22:36:54] <fripster> okay... i run debian testing... this week my apt-upgrade / dist-upgrade broke VLC
3874 [22:37:05] <fripster> is that a known issue?
3875 [22:37:15] <cra1g321> !testing
3876 [22:37:15] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See replaced-url
3877 [22:37:15] <fripster> how to find out?
3878 [22:37:34] <gebruiker> go to OFTC #debian-next
3879 [22:37:40] <fripster> solution was to purge all things related to VLC and reinstall
3880 [22:37:48] <gebruiker> and I would recommend you to check the BTS
3881 [22:37:50] <fripster> but I find it strange
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3883 [22:37:55] <fripster> okay thanks
3884 [22:38:12] <gebruiker> fripster: this channel mainly focuses on stable releases
3885 [22:38:19] <fripster> okay ... did not know
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3887 [22:38:24] <fripster> have a nice evening
3888 [22:38:30] <gebruiker> you too .. best
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3902 [22:43:58] <jhutchins> Testing is SUPPOSED to do that - it's where things like that are supposed to happen so they don't happen in stable.
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3906 [22:44:19] <RebelCoder> hi
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3908 [22:44:32] <RebelCoder> =)
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3915 [22:48:54] <jhutchins> RebelCoder: Did you have a Debian support question?
3916 [22:49:07] <RebelCoder> No. Sorry.
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3921 [22:50:25] <centrx> !ask
3922 [22:50:25] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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3925 [22:51:07] <jhutchins> RebelCoder: No need to be sorry, just making sure you weren't waiting for help.
3926 [22:51:16] <jhutchins> *me is also looking for something to do.
3927 [22:51:25] * jhutchins
3928 [22:51:28] <jhutchins> Oops.
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3931 [22:53:27] <somiaj> samodid: what package is missing?
3932 [22:54:11] <somiaj> samodid: or in general what package do you want? Would having a bigger image (the dvd image) have all the packages you need?
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3945 [22:58:54] <roger`> hi, what's the best command to hot-unplug hard drive, hdparm -Y /dev/sdX or echo 1 > /sys/block/sdX/device/delete
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3983 [23:15:55] <th0r> roger`, what's wrong with eject?
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3985 [23:16:52] <th0r> roger`, or are you trying for an internal fixed disk?
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3989 [23:18:07] <th0r> roger`, either way, unmounting the drive should make it safe to remove it
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3991 [23:19:30] <roger`> apparently its better to spin it down before
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3993 [23:20:01] <roger`> so far nobody avised to use eject
3994 [23:20:05] <roger`> im looking it up
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3996 [23:20:18] <roger`> i want to do it the proper way
3997 [23:20:41] <th0r> roger`, it is my understanding the only thing that might be necessary is a 'sync' to flush the buffer before unmounting.
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3999 [23:21:12] <th0r> eject works for removable media like usb drives.
4000 [23:21:19] <roger`> its a SATA disk
4001 [23:21:33] <roger`> and there is moving parts inside
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4003 [23:21:53] <roger`> so i want to be extra careful, its critical offline backup
4004 [23:22:05] <roger`> wouldn't be happy if it fails when i need it
4005 [23:22:14] <th0r> roger`, unless it is the main os drive, simply sync-ing and then unmounting should be safe
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4009 [23:24:04] <roger`> most people said that, but some advice a spin down and waiting 2 minutes before you remove it
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4011 [23:24:14] <roger`> to be safe
4012 [23:24:36] <th0r> roger`, just fyi...if the drive is auto mounted in fstab, and is not in place at boot, the boot process might hang.
4013 [23:25:05] <roger`> i experienced that before ^^
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4015 [23:25:21] <roger`> but its not in fstab, i use autofs for the backup drives
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4017 [23:25:26] <th0r> you might wait after unplugging it to give the head time to retract, but spinning down I don't think is a issue
4018 [23:26:01] <roger`> i think you cannot be too careful though
4019 [23:26:17] <roger`> since im making a script to launch rsync automatically
4020 [23:26:34] <roger`> its not a cost to add the spindown after umount
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4022 [23:27:13] <th0r> roger`, all my data and backup drives that are in fstab have the noauto option. Means after bootup I have to mount each one, but the command is simply
4023 [23:27:27] <th0r> mount (mountpoint)
4024 [23:27:56] <roger`> i put my backups in drives that i physically remove from the machine when done
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4026 [23:28:45] <th0r> I do mine over my home network at night. one of the advantages of being retired :)
4027 [23:28:50] <roger`> with a 5.25" enclosure made for that purpose
4028 [23:29:01] <roger`> id be paranoid
4029 [23:29:14] <roger`> imagine someone breaks into your system
4030 [23:29:21] <roger`> and mess your disks up
4031 [23:29:58] <roger`> oh well i guess im just more paranoid than most ^^
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4038 [23:31:51] <th0r> if it was business I would be paranoid also. but all I have now is personal data and software archives
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4041 [23:33:06] <th0r> course, I could always power up the backup server for an hour to do the job, then take it offline again
4042 [23:33:21] <roger`> i thought about using a dedicated machine
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4044 [23:33:30] <roger`> ^^
4045 [23:33:42] <th0r> but there is some advantage to 24/7 access.
4046 [23:34:14] <roger`> i do have 24/7 access to my files, but i like to isolate the backups
4047 [23:34:19] <th0r> is this for business or personal use?
4048 [23:34:43] <roger`> personal but that's knowledge ill be able to use later
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4051 [23:36:37] <th0r> well...I have a paspberry pi with a usb hub for data and another with large usb thumb drives for backup. total investment maybe $200 including the 2 - 2TB spinning drives and 5 thumb drives
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4054 [23:37:14] <roger`> rpi doesn't have sata though ^^
4055 [23:37:36] <roger`> i have one running but i use it mostly to try things
4056 [23:37:44] <th0r> true. what it does have is a $35 price tag :)
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4058 [23:38:02] <roger`> my next project is to make an ssh only pentest device
4059 [23:38:15] <roger`> with battery pack and alfa wifi
4060 [23:38:21] <Dracunos> Also there's #raspberrypi
4061 [23:38:23] <roger`> with the pi
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4063 [23:38:29] <th0r> I am running five. A desktop, two file servers, a firewall/gateway, and one for fun
4064 [23:38:33] <roger`> yep im on it :p
4065 [23:38:38] <roger`> and #raspbian
4066 [23:38:52] <th0r> I'm on that one
4067 [23:38:53] <roger`> seriously pi :D
4068 [23:38:58] <Dracunos> I just have an ssh server running by I don't really have any more use for it
4069 [23:39:30] <th0r> we were just talking about backup drives and the discussion went to how we handle it all
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4071 [23:40:54] <th0r> roger`, I used to work in a related field and ran debian for years, but these days I rarely even power it up.
4072 [23:41:21] <th0r> My network now is five pi's and four android tablets.
4073 [23:41:37] <roger`> that's original
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4075 [23:42:07] <th0r> I am presently using a 10"tab to vnc into my experimental pi...which has been running hexchat for two days
4076 [23:42:20] <roger`> irssi > all ^^
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4078 [23:43:04] <th0r> never was tempted by irssi, but quite happy at the cli
4079 [23:43:22] <roger`> i need more power than a pi for my nas though
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4082 [23:44:00] <roger`> i often capture HDTV, download torrents at 100mbps, stream movies i downloaded
4083 [23:44:09] <roger`> sometimes all at the same time
4084 [23:44:24] <th0r> I am using a pi3 for my media. it is fine for streaming video. although I admit there is just me, a one person load
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4087 [23:44:31] <roger`> rpi cound't even handle the 100mbps line
4088 [23:44:58] <roger`> all i can say is i make good use the the gigabit lan
4089 [23:45:06] <roger`> and 100mbps internet
4090 [23:45:10] <th0r> probably true. I use an rv park wifi capped at 2Mb.
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4092 [23:45:18] <missmbob> !ot
4093 [23:45:18] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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4095 [23:45:39] <roger`> oh well, anyway i have to cook curry
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4099 [23:46:22] <th0r> roger`, good luck with the backup drives. unmounting should be as complex as you need
4100 [23:46:30] <roger`> thanks
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