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• 7[00:04:48] <thrmo> what version of the kernel is debian testing using?
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• 9[00:05:31] <pencilandpaper> Not sure thrmo , you can check online though I'm sure. I know that sid is at 4.8.
• 10[00:05:35] <r0mdau> 4.7
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• 12[00:05:44] <thrmo> ty
• 13[00:06:47] <pencilandpaper> Yeah, 4.7.
• 14[00:06:58] <pencilandpaper> replaced-url
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• 19[00:08:47] <Insanity_> Recently switched from ubuntu to debian, but I have a small question. How can I show the sidebar by default? It keeps auto-hiding and I would like for it to be sticky like in Unity
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• 21[00:09:14] <psylence> Insanity_: what DE?
• 22[00:09:22] <Insanity_> Always moving the mouse to the top left corner is a bit cumbersome
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• 26[00:10:04] <r0mdau> Go on tweak tools if your using gnome Insanity_
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• 28[00:10:37] <Insanity_> I had hoped echo $DESKTOP_SESSION would tell me this and it just says "default" ^^
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• 30[00:10:43] <mtn> Insanity_: if you are using gnome, the super key shows the sidebar
• 31[00:10:53] <Insanity_> Yeah it does too mtn
• 32[00:11:06] <Insanity_> But then I can not use a shortcut to launch the apps in the sidebar?
• 33[00:11:19] <Insanity_> thanks r0mdau, I found the tool
• 34[00:11:21] <mtn> Insanity_: that works great for me, but you can get a gnome extension that will show the sidebar all the time
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• 37[00:12:06] <Insanity_> Looking into the extensions list now, ty!
• 38[00:13:00] <Insanity_> "Window list" shows them at the bottom in a windows XP kind of fashion, but that'll do
• 39[00:13:02] <Insanity_> Thanks guys!
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• 42[00:13:13] <r0mdau> ;)
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• 79[00:28:52] <CuteAlien> Hi! Since last update (debian stable) kmail no longer works here. Says "Akonadi control process not registered at D-Bus." More info at replaced-url
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• 81[00:29:14] <CuteAlien> I hope someone can help me getting my mail...
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• 89[00:32:10] <CuteAlien> Would already help if someone can tell me if akonadi logs errors somewhere so I get maybe some clue what to look for.
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• 92[00:32:51] <CuteAlien> or d-bus logs errors.
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• 96[00:35:15] <CuteAlien> I do remember last update did update something in MySQL.. so might be related to that.
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• 108[00:41:08] <CuteAlien> OK, found it. In case you have to help next guy who can no longer start kmail. Since last update myself needs a folder "/var/lib/mysql-files" or akonadi crashs on start. Creating it by hand will fix it. Thought probably debian should have created it automatically when updating mysql as it likely didn't just break my system.
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• 111[00:42:59] <CuteAlien> and replace "myself" in last post by "mysql" :-)
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• 145[01:03:38] <echosystm> hello. i would like to make a usb debian distro for a pc to make it a router.
• 146[01:03:54] <echosystm> basically i just want everything preconfigured
• 147[01:04:01] <echosystm> what's the best way to go about doing that?
• 148[01:04:50] <echosystm> pretty much all i need is backported kernel, iptables, openvpn and wpa_supplicant
• 149[01:05:15] <echosystm> i'm guessing i should just make a chroot, configure it how i want and then get that on a usb with a bootloader
• 150[01:05:27] <echosystm> but i figure theres some fancy tool for this in 2016?
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• 157[01:10:18] <petn-randall> echosystm: Why not just install Debian on a USB stick? No need to make your own distro.
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• 159[01:10:40] <texnofobix> might be able to do something with debootstrap
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• 162[01:12:34] <echosystm> petn-randall: i wont have internet
• 163[01:12:59] <echosystm> i just want an image i can write to a usb with all the packages i need
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• 165[01:14:23] <th0r> echosystm, if all you are after is a standalone router...you can pick up a tplink from amazon for just over $10
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• 169[01:14:42] <texnofobix> and you can put ddwrt on some of those
• 170[01:15:03] <psylence> I find tomato to be better
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• 172[01:15:49] <texnofobix> I like Merlin, but thats' for Asus Routers
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• 176[01:17:09] <petn-randall> echosystm: Then download the CDs/DVDs? I don't know how making your own distro will fix any of those problems.
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• 178[01:18:05] <echosystm> th0r: it needs to run openvpn at 50mbps
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• 180[01:18:24] <echosystm> i want a CPU with hardware AES
• 181[01:18:30] <echosystm> which almost no home routers have
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• 184[01:18:54] <sl4v3> anyone here ever use passport-saml-restify before?
• 185[01:19:12] <petn-randall> !survey
• 186[01:19:13] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, survey is Don't ask whether 'somebody uses <app>' unless conducting a survey. Ask the question that you want to ask.
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• 188[01:19:36] <sl4v3> that is my question.
• 189[01:19:39] <sl4v3> take it or leave it.
• 190[01:20:02] <bazhang> the answer is yes
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• 192[01:20:20] <echosystm> petn-randall: part of it is a learning thing
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• 194[01:20:37] <echosystm> i just want to know how to set up my own debian images
• 195[01:20:46] <sl4v3> bazhang: may i ask you a few questions?
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• 197[01:21:16] <sl4v3> somewhere where doing so isn't a grave imposition to folks?
• 198[01:21:43] <bazhang> what system of debian
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• 202[01:22:23] <petn-randall> just ask your question, and if someone know the answer, they'll respond. Might take up to an hour or so due to the time of day. Most people are here during EU/US business hours.
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• 206[01:23:38] <thrmo> its still business hours in US west coast i guess
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• 208[01:24:29] <bazhang> he has yet to answer one question
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• 213[01:26:11] <sl4v3> bazhang: he's still griefing me. like, i understand, but business hours being what they are, and given how complex the issue is, and how contextually absent debian is, despite my knowing this is going to be a place to find someone who knows the fuck they're talking about, it's just not seemingly worthwhile. perhaps it is.
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• 215[01:26:57] <bazhang> still not answered what I asked
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• 217[01:27:20] <sl4v3> bazhang: i have no idea what you're talking about.
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• 219[01:27:38] <sl4v3> bazhang: no one has asked me a question.
• 220[01:27:42] <bazhang> which debian
• 221[01:28:14] <sl4v3> bazhang: it depends
• 222[01:28:42] <bazhang> let me know when you have that info
• 223[01:28:45] <sl4v3> bazhang: all of this would be going into a docker container. if most of the dependencies are satisfied by another image i can stem from, it may not be debian at all.
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• 226[01:29:48] <sl4v3> bazhang: if i use the php:5.6-apache image, it's debian jessie. no idea how that has any relevance here.
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• 228[01:30:43] <bazhang> differing debian have differing support channels, even networks, thats why
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• 231[01:31:21] <sl4v3> bazhang: i'm talking about a SAML extension for Restify.
• 232[01:31:48] <bazhang> for jessie is it
• 233[01:32:03] <sl4v3> it would be installed via npm... not apt.
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• 238[01:39:05] <sl4v3> bazhang: so. thx.
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• 244[01:41:04] <bazhang> for?
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• 247[01:41:45] <sl4v3> bazhang: do you have any practical experience with passport-saml-restify or are you just trolling me?
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• 250[01:42:44] <bazhang> some
• 251[01:42:49] <sl4v3> it's not like i asked "anyone here use xfce4?" i asked if there was a point in remaining in a channel to discuss a fairly obscure project which i would anticipate basically 0 people to have experience with.
• 252[01:43:02] <bazhang> but you are not making it easy to offer help
• 253[01:43:04] <texnofobix> xfce4 isn't bad
• 254[01:43:10] <sl4v3> i love xfce4. :)
• 255[01:43:32] <sl4v3> bazhang: i asked if there was a place to go without someone hitting a bot like a trained monkey.
• 256[01:43:58] <bazhang> irc is not mcdonalds drive thru
• 257[01:44:12] <sl4v3> you guys have to be in your 20s...
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• 259[01:44:39] <abrotman> insults are always the way to get help ..
• 260[01:44:45] <texnofobix> i'm in my 30s
• 261[01:44:46] <jelly> 0x20s
• 262[01:44:47] <petn-randall> !next
• 263[01:44:47] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
• 264[01:45:08] <texnofobix> 2^5th + 1
• 265[01:45:20] <sl4v3> i was referring to a couple folks.
• 266[01:45:50] <texnofobix> sl4v3: I didnt take any offense :)
• 267[01:46:53] <sl4v3> texnofobix: that's cause you're in your 30s. ;)
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• 270[01:47:38] <texnofobix> sl4v3: yeah more genx than millienial
• 271[01:47:43] <jelly> in any case, this and many other channels in freenode work better with well defined issues. That means explaining the actual issue instead of polling who's using X. You're going to have to explain it anyway once you find someone using X.
• 272[01:47:44] <SynrG> 50. and weary
• 273[01:47:51] <jelly> !ask
• 274[01:47:51] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 275[01:47:54] * sl4v3 begins to draw cultural parallels with german nationalist youth circa 1935...
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• 277[01:48:19] <sl4v3> jelly: super happy to ask a series of a thousand questions.
• 278[01:48:24] <bazhang> thats not very nice
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• 281[01:48:37] <sl4v3> dude, #debian in 1997 was the shit.
• 282[01:48:38] <petn-randall> Oh, Godwin's law striking early today.
• 283[01:48:50] <surfist> :) I want to tear all my hair out ... lots of unmet dependencies now related to perl.. perl -v is 5.24, and man perl.. but the system thinks it's still 5.22 and won't install anything anymore
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• 286[01:48:59] <jelly> applies even if it's some obscure php component noone's heard of.
• 287[01:49:18] <jelly> surfist, which debian release are you supposed to be running?
• 288[01:49:26] <surfist> 8
• 289[01:49:30] <petn-randall> surfist: Sounds like you're mixing distros/releases.
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• 291[01:49:42] <jelly> .v perl-base
• 292[01:49:43] <sl4v3> ok. fine. how do i use passport-saml-restify? <eoq/>
• 293[01:49:47] <jelly> ,v perl-base
• 294[01:49:48] <judd> Package: perl-base on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.14.2-21+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 5.14.2-21+deb7u4; jessie: 5.20.2-3+deb8u6; jessie-security: 5.20.2-3+deb8u6; stretch: 5.24.1~rc3-3; sid: 5.24.1~rc3-3
• 295[01:50:01] <abrotman> or hasn't done a dist-upgrade in ages ?
• 296[01:50:02] <surfist> I need to either get the system to say perl is 5.24 or clobber it
• 297[01:50:05] <surfist> just a sec
• 298[01:50:09] <jelly> surfist, neither 5.22 nor 5.24 are part of Debian 8
• 299[01:50:14] <Dracunos> :v
• 300[01:50:25] <jelly> !bat
• 301[01:50:25] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 302[01:50:41] <jelly> surfist, if you don't know, show the ^^ info
• 303[01:51:08] <surfist> 5.22 is perl base but it won't install 5.24
• 304[01:51:49] <jelly> you're not on debian 8 any more then. Just a matter of figuring out whether it's debian at all, just testing or unstable, or something different
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• 306[01:52:22] <surfist> possibly testing
• 307[01:52:48] <surfist> all packages :) that's a ton .. all perl related
• 308[01:53:08] <surfist> perl* and *perl
• 309[01:53:09] <jelly> paste.debian.net takes 64k-sized pastes.
• 310[01:53:21] <SynrG> surfist: is that what you want to be running, or were you trying to mix in the perl from testing into stable?
• 311[01:54:12] <surfist> to be honest.. something else may have called the upgrade and now it's borked
• 312[01:54:15] <SynrG> surfist: maybe we should be asking why you want to be running a Perl other than the one in Jessie on Jessie. What problem would that solve for you?
• 313[01:55:16] <SynrG> "something"? In my experience it's administrators that do things like this. :p
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• 315[01:55:36] <SynrG> Usually with some mistaken assumptions about the outcome
• 316[01:55:42] <jelly> administrators failing to read the output of apt
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• 319[01:57:19] <surfist> I can paste apt-get upgrade results?
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• 323[01:58:03] <gry> yep to paste.debian.org surfist
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• 325[01:58:39] <SynrG> paste.debian.net not .org
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• 328[01:59:05] <gry> yes sorry
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• 332[01:59:31] <surfist> name? as in user nick? or name of problem
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• 334[01:59:40] <surfist> on paste.debian.net
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• 341[02:02:15] <SynrG> surfist: we need the URL it gave you for your paste
• 342[02:02:19] <surfist> done... paste.debian.net/893786/
• 343[02:02:37] <surfist> bouncing between 2 machines
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• 349[02:04:03] <SynrG> And the output of "apt-cache policy" please
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• 352[02:05:41] <surfist> okay... but here's perl -v while getting policy info paste.debian.net/893787/
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• 358[02:06:23] <SynrG> No surprise given the apt output
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• 360[02:07:09] <Echo6> I'm getting an error that says that my partitions are set beyond the end of the device. I had restored a backed up 64GB SDCard to another 64GB SDCard from a different manufacturer. How do I adjust it? I know that it is currently set to 5,582,080 and the end of the device is at 5,570,432.
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• 362[02:07:37] <surfist> done... paste.debian.net/893788/ time for fun
• 363[02:07:57] <somiaj> Echo6: can you still access the original data?
• 364[02:08:34] <somiaj> Echo6: modifying the partition table without first modifying the filesystem may have negative effects. My suggestion is rsync the data as opposed to copying the images.
• 365[02:08:44] <Echo6> I was an SDCard that I had created an image of. The device that uses the card is in Togo, Africa now but I still have remote access to it.
• 366[02:09:22] <Echo6> Yeah, that's not gonna happen from here.
• 367[02:09:24] <somiaj> Echo6: rsync can do things remotely. I just think you won't be able to easily adjust the filesystem and partition table to match this new hardware. If you ahve the image get a device bigenough to put it on.
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• 369[02:09:48] <Echo6> Both cards are 64GB
• 370[02:10:05] <somiaj> in the future realize size varies between cards. Some companies use gig to mean 1000 megs, others use gig to mean 1024megs
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• 372[02:10:13] <Echo6> syncing this over the internet won't work as the connection in Togo is intermitten and very slow.
• 373[02:10:20] <somiaj> Echo6: unforntaully as you have seen that may not mean they have the same size.
• 374[02:10:31] <Echo6> Yeah, I see that now.
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• 377[02:10:52] <somiaj> maybe someone knows more about filesystems and partitions can help you out of this mess. I just know when resizing things you first have to shrink the filesystem, then you can shrink the parittion table
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• 381[02:12:52] <somiaj> but since you are missing the end of both the filesystem and partition table, unsure how relaiable this is. Is there another remote storage you can copy the data you can access to? Or do you just not have access to any of the data?
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• 383[02:14:09] <Echo6> I had access to a device that is running off of the original card (its in Africa). But there are no other devices in existence.
• 384[02:14:23] <Echo6> I was attempting to make the second one now.
• 385[02:14:42] <SynrG> surfist: well, kali is not Debian. That's your first problem
• 386[02:14:50] <SynrG> !kali
• 387[02:14:51] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 388[02:14:51] <somiaj> I'm not knowlegable enough to have any inplace solutions and dataloss may occur. Maybe someone else can help Echo6.
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• 393[02:16:00] <surfist> I figured it's a dpkg/apt problem anyhow
• 394[02:16:42] <SynrG> surfist: no
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• 397[02:17:49] <somiaj> surfist: despite the overlap, our policy for both techenical and social reasons is to only support those running a debian
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• 400[02:18:24] <somiaj> surfist: there is ##linux for general linux support if kali's channels are not active.
• 401[02:18:27] <surfist> I can try another channel... mostly I get 'distro specific' stuff this is not about any special tools :/
• 402[02:18:31] <surfist> ah good
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• 407[02:19:09] <surfist> thought I'd start here :) thanks so far
• 408[02:19:33] <surfist> was thinking ... 'oh yeah, apt... here's how to fix'
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• 410[02:19:46] <somiaj> surfist: thanks for understanding our policy. Hope you find the support you need (also consider when picking a distro, you also pick the support structure of that distro)
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• 430[02:28:34] <sl4v3> can't paste to channel, but netsplits are ok.
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• 432[02:29:14] <texnofobix> netsplits to me are like your pants splitting
• 433[02:29:24] <texnofobix> both seem to me embarrasing
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• 436[02:29:59] <sl4v3> like, i get pastebin for sure, but the pain there is losing all context to the channel loggers.
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• 438[02:30:16] <sl4v3> my pastebins live for about 30 seconds.
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• 443[02:32:28] <sl4v3> texnofobix: i haven't split my pants in so long, i kinda miss the horror. tore my back pocket off a bit recently with an errant wallet placement, though.
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• 445[02:32:47] <texnofobix> sl4v3: same here
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• 456[02:36:53] <vvuja> anyone here have facebook
• 457[02:36:55] <vvuja> no money required
• 458[02:36:57] <vvuja> I need clicks
• 459[02:36:59] <vvuja> 41 click
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• 461[02:37:09] <texnofobix> NO
• 462[02:37:22] <vvuja> ok
• 463[02:37:23] <vvuja> thanks
• 464[02:37:43] <texnofobix> does it involve debian?
• 465[02:37:48] <vvuja> nope
• 466[02:37:55] <vvuja> one game
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• 572[03:28:41] <asterismo> is the lua module luasec and async broken?
• 573[03:28:48] <asterismo> debian 8 jessie
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• 604[03:48:25] <Guest29814> guys is there any difference in power consumption between kernel 3.16 and 4.7??
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• 642[04:30:37] <azonenberg> Hi guys
• 643[04:30:51] <azonenberg> Trying to trace down all of the compilers on this box and figure out why i have all of them
• 644[04:30:57] <azonenberg> in particular, i have gcc 4.6, 4.8, and 4.9
• 645[04:31:05] <azonenberg> 4.9 i can understand as that's the latest version supported on jessie
• 646[04:31:26] <azonenberg> But why would i have both 4.6 and 4.8? i see both of them are dependent on a kernel image and i'm trying to understand how this works
• 647[04:31:28] <texnofobix> did you not uninstall the old ones?
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• 649[04:31:31] <azonenberg> as it seems kernels should only use one compiler
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• 651[04:31:44] <azonenberg> texnofobix: I'm planning to uninstall them but trying to avoid adverse effects :P
• 652[04:31:49] <texnofobix> you can have different gccs installed I believe
• 653[04:31:52] <azonenberg> So i'm tracing the dependencies to see what i need
• 654[04:31:53] <azonenberg> Correct
• 655[04:31:56] <texnofobix> aah
• 656[04:32:01] <azonenberg> It's more a question of, why have all 3 installed if i dont need them
• 657[04:32:03] <texnofobix> do you compile your own?
• 658[04:32:06] <texnofobix> stuff?
• 659[04:32:07] <azonenberg> Maybe i do need them all, i dont know yet
• 660[04:32:22] <azonenberg> I have several OTHER gcc's built from source for embedded systems work
• 661[04:32:24] <texnofobix> or are you installing from dpkgs ?
• 662[04:32:25] <azonenberg> mips, arm, etc
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• 664[04:32:32] <texnofobix> hrmm
• 665[04:32:34] <azonenberg> But these are all packaged compilers
• 666[04:32:40] <azonenberg> that seem auto-installed
• 667[04:32:47] <n4dir> aptitude why <packagename> ; can be of use, but i would not rely on it
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• 670[04:33:10] <azonenberg> gcc-4.6-base is required by the usual gcc/g++ core package then linux-headers-3.16.0-0.bp0.4-amd64
• 671[04:33:33] <azonenberg> gcc-4.8-base is required by usual gcc plus linux-headers-3.16.0-4-amd64
• 672[04:33:36] <azonenberg> and linux-headers-amd64
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• 675[04:33:49] <azonenberg> uname -a gives
• 676[04:33:52] <azonenberg> Linux skipjack 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u1 (2016-09-03) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 678[04:34:07] <azonenberg> so i feel like i should be able to remove one of those kernels and the associated compiler and be fine
• 679[04:34:36] <azonenberg> in fact, looking more, it seems like the bpo4 headers are installed, but not the matching kernel image
• 680[04:35:31] <azonenberg> So the whole gcc 4.6 toolchain should be OK to remove
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• 732[05:19:55] <zerothis1> TomTomTo1: games were running fine. A game just released last week gave me an error that seemed to indicate it didn't find 32-bit opengl. So I apt-get install mesa-utils:i386. After, I still get the same error and gave up til later. Later I find that none of my ogl games will run.
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• 742[05:27:01] <azarus> Hey guys, my mariadb server won't start today. Both mariadb-server and mariadb-client are installed, but systemd fails to start it. replaced-url
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• 785[06:11:45] <n_blownapart> hi sorry for a basic PATH question: I'm getting this error installing a haskell ide environment on the atom editor. What should be in .bashrc and /or .bash_profile to fix this? replaced-url
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• 787[06:12:49] <n_blownapart> the executables are indeed in user/local/.local/bin ^
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• 790[06:15:00] <AlexLikeRock> you mean /usr/local ??
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• 796[06:15:29] <AlexLikeRock> n_blownapart, you speak spanish ?
• 797[06:16:33] <n_blownapart> AlexLikeRock, no Spanish, why?
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• 802[06:18:29] <surfist> well I fixed dpkg ... one lone bad symlink
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• 806[06:21:02] <AlexLikeRock> n_blownapart, try this
• 807[06:21:10] <AlexLikeRock> nano ~/.profile
• 808[06:21:17] <AlexLikeRock> or
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• 817[06:23:26] <n_blownapart> thanks AlexLikeRock
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• 935[07:48:57] <ilken> HILLARY IS GOING AND MEXICO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE WALL
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• 958[08:03:12] <obiwahn> Hi any sid users here? Who use the non graphical terminal and experience issues with the keyboard layout?
• 959[08:03:19] <missmbob> !debian-next
• 960[08:03:19] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 961[08:03:23] <missmbob> obiwahn: for you ^
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• 963[08:03:33] <obiwahn> thanks i am in that channel
• 964[08:03:39] <missmbob> !crosspost
• 965[08:03:40] <dpkg> Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
• 966[08:03:49] <obiwahn> different network
• 967[08:04:17] <missmbob> so you didn't read the factoid of wasting people's time? because that has nothing to do with networks
• 968[08:04:26] <missmbob> follow the channel policy please
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• 971[08:05:15] <obiwahn> wtf there are except for a few totally different people in both channels
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• 973[08:05:30] <obiwahn> on most pcs i use us layout because i develop
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• 975[08:05:43] <obiwahn> so i am not only asking developers in debian-next
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• 978[08:05:56] <obiwahn> but i would like to confirm the bug
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• 981[08:06:30] <obiwahn> So I ask here because here are much more people.
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• 1034[08:34:56] <HJfFun> can anyone can tell me if the instruction "FirmwareDownload8192E fw:NIC, size: 31818" is call by the standard request_firmware ?
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• 1068[08:55:06] <obiwahn> HJfFun: you need to provide more infromation
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• 1071[08:55:50] <HJfFun> Obi-Wan, I will try so
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• 1080[09:00:45] <HJfFun> On a fresh install of a RTL8292EU module I saw inside dmesg : "FirmwareDownload8192E fw:NIC, size: 31818". I just want to know if this module call the standard request_firmware(noyau request) ?
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• 1088[09:05:18] <obiwahn> HJfFun: no sorry - do you talk about request_firmware(&fw_entry, $FIRMWARE, device)
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• 1109[09:13:18] <HJfFun> Obi-Wan, Yes
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• 1230[10:08:48] <Anselmo> Another day
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• 1259[10:21:44] <HJfFun> how can i use paste.debian.net like that --> echo "hello debian" | curl -F c=@- replaced-url
• 1260[10:23:23] <uniTosch> You can simply install pastebinit
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• 1267[10:25:48] <themill> HJfFun: you need to have something long enough to pastebin
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• 1308[10:46:18] <CtrlC> How can I exit a ssh connection which is in the background?
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• 1314[10:46:38] <CtrlC> I even tried pill ssh but the port I opened with the ssh is still taken.
• 1315[10:46:43] <CtrlC> pkill*
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• 1322[10:47:41] <petn-randall> CtrlC: Bring it to the foreground then log out?
• 1323[10:47:53] <CtrlC> petn-randall, how though?
• 1324[10:48:10] <petn-randall> CtrlC: How did you background it?
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• 1326[10:48:43] <CtrlC> -N option. Here's the full options: -D 6333 -f -C -N
• 1327[10:48:57] <CtrlC> oh and a -q which doesn't matter.
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• 1341[10:59:17] <petn-randall> CtrlC: kill $PID worked just fine for me.
• 1342[10:59:28] <gry> replaced-url
• 1343[10:59:36] <CtrlC> pkiller, didn't work but I'll try kill. Thanks.
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• 1345[11:00:06] <CtrlC> pkill I mean.
• 1346[11:00:08] <CtrlC> :D
• 1347[11:00:19] <petn-randall> !debian-next
• 1348[11:00:19] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 1349[11:00:22] <petn-randall> gry: ^^^
• 1350[11:01:27] <gry> ah yes, sorry, I have more than one laptop and I forget which is which. thanks for picking that up, petn-randall :-)
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• 1356[11:05:26] <petn-randall> gry: No problem, see you there :)
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• 1461[12:01:14] <mapm> hello, I have a problem with an encrypted volume group. I made a encrypted debian with a primary partition boot, and a logical one with a vg for /root, /home and swap. I tampered with the configuration of the logical volumes, of /etc/crypttab and /etc/fstab, trying to decrypt home and swap automatically from root using key files, so i just have to memorize root partition password. Now, when I enter the password, it stars a loop looking for partitions, and in 2
• 1462[12:01:14] <mapm> minutes or so it stops and says it couldn't find a device with UUID=blablabla. What should I do?
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• 1464[12:02:05] <T|R|U|M|P> No more politics for Clinton!
• 1465[12:02:09] <T|R|U|M|P> Trump has won!
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• 1494[12:11:42] <candidat> hello guys :-D
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• 1564[12:46:12] <pixelmix> does debian run steam ?
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• 1568[12:48:45] <Prutheus> Hello! I am on a dell xps 13. when i connect a monitor via docking d3100 (displaylink) or pluggable thunderbolt3_to_hdmi, i get a 1sec-freeze all 10 seconds. how can I fix this issue?
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• 1575[12:51:00] <ksk> pixelmix: AFAIK you can just install it, but not, debian does not support steam (it is not debian package after all, is it?)
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• 1577[12:51:05] <ksk> s/not/no
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• 1589[12:59:34] <towo^work> ,v steam
• 1590[12:59:35] <judd> No package named 'steam' was found in amd64.
• 1591[12:59:39] <towo^work> ,v steam:i386
• 1592[12:59:41] <judd> No package named 'steam:i386' was found in amd64.
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• 1597[13:00:56] <towo^work> towo@Druck-Buero:~$ LANG=C apt-cache policy steam
• 1598[13:00:56] <towo^work> steam:i386:
• 1599[13:00:56] <towo^work> 1.0.0.49-1 500
• 1600[13:00:56] <towo^work> 500 replaced-url
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• 1602[13:01:11] <petn-randall> ,v --arch i386 steam
• 1603[13:01:12] <judd> No package named '--arch' was found in i386.
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• 1609[13:01:58] <petn-randall> ,v steam --arch i386
• 1610[13:01:59] <judd> Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 1.0.0.49-1; stretch/non-free: 1.0.0.52-5; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.52-5
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• 1612[13:02:08] <petn-randall> pixelmix: ^^^
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• 1616[13:02:37] <petn-randall> towo^work: stop playing around on the print server! ;)
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• 1618[13:02:56] <ksk> ah okay, it is in debian. did not know that :)
• 1619[13:03:02] <towo^work> petn-randall, that's my workstation here
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• 1623[13:04:38] <pixelmix> its a new brand computer should i install linux ?
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• 1625[13:04:50] <pixelmix> what are the advantage nowdays of having a linux machine ?
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• 1634[13:06:20] <ransur0t> cost, performance, community, choice, FOSS, ... and many, many more
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• 1636[13:07:58] <pixelmix> ferformance seams reasonable
• 1637[13:07:59] <pixelmix> :P
• 1638[13:08:26] <pixelmix> does debian support rv ?
• 1639[13:08:35] <pixelmix> Real Virtuality
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• 1712[13:41:06] <petn-randall> pixelmix: What's the non-marketing name for that?
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• 1718[13:46:05] <Prutheus> Namarrgon: you speak with me?
• 1719[13:46:09] <Prutheus> Hello! I am on a dell xps 13. when i connect a monitor via docking d3100 (displaylink) or pluggable thunderbolt3_to_hdmi, i get a 1sec-freeze all 10 seconds. how can I fix this issue?
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• 1846[14:44:48] <ksk> hey, what was the command to check failed apt-get downloads again? think it was posted here yesterday or so..
• 1847[14:45:22] <themill> 'check' in what sense?
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• 1849[14:45:58] <ksk> getting debug output. but nevermind, it does work now (packages need some time to be pushed I assume..)
• 1850[14:46:26] <themill> !apt debug
• 1851[14:46:26] <dpkg> To debug what is going wrong with apt/apt-get/aptitude fetching from the mirrors, append «-o Debug::Acquire::http=true» to the command line. The output will be lengthy but informative.
• 1852[14:46:35] <ksk> thanks themill
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• 1905[15:07:45] <candidat> hello i m looking for a teacher to teach me about linux bash shell i m ready to pay money for it ...
• 1906[15:08:33] <centrx> candidat: well the first thing is just the basic commands: ls and cd (list directory and change directory)
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• 1909[15:09:17] <julius_> hi
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• 1911[15:09:23] <centrx> candidat: This looks pretty good: replaced-url
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• 1913[15:09:38] <pixelmix> hmpff
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• 1915[15:10:33] <julius_> update-flashplugin-nonfree --status says that version: 11.2.202.643 is installed, but version: 11.2.202.644 is available...yet when i run it with --install and run --status after im still on 643 instead of 644
• 1916[15:10:34] <julius_> why?
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• 1921[15:14:08] <candidat> ty centrx
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• 1936[15:19:48] <WormFood> What commandline tool can I use to "beautify" javascript? I need to investigate a .js file, and of course it's minified, so no spaces, which makes reading it a pain.
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• 1939[15:20:25] <centrx> I would go find the original
• 1940[15:20:36] <betandr> replaced-url
• 1941[15:20:42] <WormFood> I don't have that option.
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• 1943[15:20:52] <WormFood> Thanks betandr
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• 1946[15:20:56] <betandr> or replaced-url
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• 1948[15:21:23] <WormFood> this is a 437k file of 13 lines, so really a pain. I know there are tools to do this, so I don't want to reinvent the wheel.
• 1949[15:22:08] <hassoon> wow you guys, i really wonder if whoever drew that image was thinking of debian, or it's a rare coincidence that debian's logo is on that cup of coffe replaced-url
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• 1951[15:23:37] <ksk> hehe, nice.
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• 1953[15:24:31] <WormFood> hassoon, obviously not a coincidence, since it IS the debian logo.
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• 1955[15:24:58] <WormFood> I'm 99% sure they didn't draw that part, and just copied/pasted it.
• 1956[15:25:28] <hassoon> WormFood: got it in among the images within the result of an inspirational-full-power-wallpaper google search
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• 1958[15:25:42] <hassoon> WormFood: yeah every pixel seems to be of the debian logo
• 1959[15:25:43] <hassoon> :D
• 1960[15:25:55] <WormFood> I like how they did that. Nice job.
• 1961[15:25:59] <hassoon> debian sponsors coffé, yoppe
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• 1964[15:28:52] <centrx> Any ideas about "xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted)"?
• 1965[15:29:19] <centrx> also getting "drmSetMaster failed: Permission denied"
• 1966[15:29:31] <betandr> Speaking of stuff that looks like the Debian logo :) replaced-url
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• 1982[15:36:09] <DeaDSouL> This has nothing to do with debian... but I thought it worth asking it here... If UPS has only one usb port to connect it to one PC... how can I get my other two PCs to shutdown when it's being on battery?
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• 1988[15:37:28] <ksk> DeaDSouL: like make the computer connected to UPS message the other computeres somehow, on $failedpower event?
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• 1990[15:37:59] <DeaDSouL> yes
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• 2004[15:45:36] <ksk> DeaDSouL: that was me saying what you would need to do in an abscract way. there problaby is no "ready to use" solution ;)
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• 2032[16:01:19] <john_rambo> Hi, Ia m using Jessie LXDE ..... Which package should I install to get notification of updates ?
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• 2034[16:01:44] <pixelmix> intall determinated ui for the job
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• 2047[16:06:00] <ax> packet tracer 7 does not work in debian 8, how to fix it?
• 2048[16:06:35] <jelly> ax: how does it fail when you call it from a terminal?
• 2049[16:07:12] <AxForest> oh well there is ax while i called AxForest xD and i get confused why i get pings :D
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• 2053[16:08:08] <ksk> john_rambo: for non desktop systems there is for example "apticron" package
• 2054[16:08:24] <ksk> (you can use it on a desktop, too. but its not integrated)
• 2055[16:08:33] <ax> jelly, /usr/local/bin/packettracer: line 8: 4053 Aborted ./PacketTracer7 "$@" > /dev/null 2>&1
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• 2060[16:10:25] <john_rambo> ksk, Can u tell me what Lubuntu uses ? I will try that one
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• 2067[16:13:26] <ksk> john_rambo: nope, I cannot. ask #ubuntu? ;)
• 2068[16:13:33] <ksk> (without ? of course)
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• 2086[16:17:28] <jelly> ax: pastebin the full output of "bash -x /usr/local/bin/packettracer"
• 2087[16:17:32] <jelly> !paste
• 2088[16:17:32] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 2109[16:27:41] <ax> jelly, replaced-url
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• 2116[16:28:55] <lancelot_of> hello ther
• 2117[16:28:58] <lancelot_of> there
• 2118[16:29:31] <lancelot_of> any email client with a threading algorithm similar to gmail?
• 2119[16:29:53] <lancelot_of> it seems to me icedove does not provide anithing similar
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• 2122[16:30:08] <lancelot_of> but I'm probably wrong...
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• 2125[16:32:32] <ksk> lancelot_of: you mean a performing mail client? take a look at claws mail
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• 2127[16:32:59] <ksk> got huge shared-folders and icedoce/thunderbird was just dying / taking 2 cpu cores all the time - with claws it was fine
• 2128[16:33:01] <jelly> ax: okay, now pastebin output of: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/pt/lib ldd /opt/pt/bin/PacketTracer7
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• 2133[16:35:05] <lancelot_of> ksk, thanks for your suggestion
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• 2136[16:36:39] <th0r> lancelot_of, won't icedove's View-Thread do what you want
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• 2147[16:42:31] <ax> jelly, replaced-url
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• 2150[16:44:33] <ax> jelly, sorry
• 2151[16:44:36] <ax> jelly, replaced-url
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• 2167[16:52:06] <TestingIRC> I accidently run this: "mv /dev/null /tmp/file_to_delete" and it moved /dev/null to other place, then I moved it back and it seems normal, but what if there is no /dev/null, what will happen to the working system ? can it crash ?
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• 2175[16:53:51] <petemc> TestingIRC: ls -l /dev/null
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• 2183[16:54:16] <johanskizo> hello
• 2184[16:54:23] <pixelmix> hi
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• 2192[16:56:47] <jelly> ax: nothing obviously wrong there. Edit /usr/local/bin/packettracer, remove the >/dev/null 2>&1 part, and do the bash -x thing again
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• 2194[16:57:30] <jelly> TestingIRC: some stuff won't work until you reboot and it's recreated again
• 2195[16:57:34] <johanskizo> if anyone has ever tried to install kali linux tool form Kali linux repositories?
• 2196[16:57:39] <jelly> !kali
• 2197[16:57:39] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 2198[16:58:00] <jelly> johanskizo: you don't want to mix repos for different distros.
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• 2200[16:58:30] <jelly> it can result in broken package management system too easily
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• 2202[16:58:49] <Insanity_> When scrolling on websites under my debian distro, it feels "laggy"
• 2203[16:58:55] <Insanity_> as in there are lines on the webpage
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• 2205[16:59:03] <Insanity_> something that does not occur on ubuntu, simple driver update I am assuming?
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• 2207[16:59:20] <TestingIRC> petemc: how can "ls -l /dev/null" restore "/dev/null" ?
• 2208[16:59:28] <johanskizo> check this replaced-url
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• 2210[16:59:41] <johanskizo> just pentest packges
• 2211[16:59:47] <centrx> Insanity_: That is a possibility, it sounds like you might be using some basic graphics driver for X that can't handle fast updates
• 2212[16:59:51] <centrx> Insanity_: or have a low refresh rate
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• 2214[16:59:52] <petemc> TestingIRC: it cant
• 2215[17:00:04] <petemc> it will show you permissions etc tho
• 2216[17:00:11] <Insanity_> I'm using whichever was default in the installation %%
• 2217[17:00:13] <Insanity_> ^^
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• 2220[17:00:48] <johanskizo> jelly : if just some packages?
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• 2223[17:01:11] <johanskizo> jelly : check this replaced-url
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• 2233[17:03:46] <newDebian> hi all, i install Debian/Jessie/XFCE in virtualBox, but internet not working ... i behind proxy, but i set configure http_proxy=user:pwd@domain.net:port, but not works yet.
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• 2236[17:04:04] <pixelmix> hi all
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• 2238[17:04:12] <pixelmix> Tahrpup64 6.0.5 is good for steampowered ?
• 2239[17:04:26] <newDebian> apt-get and wget work's fine, but not firefox or icewease or chromium browser.
• 2240[17:04:29] <pixelmix> make oculus rift drivers plz
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• 2244[17:04:35] <jelly> wtf is Tahrpup64
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• 2246[17:04:42] <newDebian> i can't configure proxy in ambiente GUI :(
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• 2248[17:05:01] <ax> jelly, replaced-url
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• 2250[17:05:12] <pixelmix> soz wrong window
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• 2261[17:07:44] <newDebian> anyone help-me ? i can't configure proxy settings in my Debian/Xfce in VirtualBox.
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• 2263[17:08:18] <johanskizo> me too have that problem in gnome LoL
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• 2266[17:08:39] <johanskizo> ping is ok but can't internet browsing :p
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• 2284[17:18:55] <petn-randall> newDebian: Did you set the proxy in their settings?
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• 2286[17:21:29] <newDebian> petn-randall, in console YES, but in GUI i can't
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• 2288[17:21:58] <petn-randall> newDebian: Why can't you set it? Check the settings of the program.
• 2289[17:23:13] <newDebian> petn-randall, look ... replaced-url
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• 2291[17:24:33] <petn-randall> newDebian: First hit on google: replaced-url
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• 2297[17:25:20] <ax> jelly, please read this page: replaced-url
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• 2300[17:26:10] <newDebian> petn-randall, i try it ... on minute please.
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• 2305[17:26:36] <jelly> ax: I'd probably move away all the libQt* stuff from /opt/pt/lib first, see if that helps
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• 2326[17:35:06] <ax> jelly, can i delete all files in /opt/pt/lib ?
• 2327[17:35:28] <jelly> ax: _no_. Just the Qt ones
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• 2331[17:36:45] <ax> jelly, replaced-url
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• 2336[17:38:22] <newDebian> petn-randall, in first test, works fine :D
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• 2338[17:38:25] <newDebian> thanks :)
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• 2345[17:40:11] <jelly> ax: something is weird, then, are you sure your ldd output was correct?
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• 2352[17:41:29] <jelly> ax: did you run "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/pt/lib ldd /opt/pt/bin/PacketTracer7" or just "ldd /opt/pt/bin/PacketTracer7" ?
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• 2354[17:42:23] <koowgnojeel> (Hello Jelly)
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• 2357[17:42:45] <ax> jelly, yes
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• 2360[17:43:02] <ax> i have been run LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/pt/lib ldd /opt/pt/bin/PacketTracer7
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• 2362[17:43:47] <jelly> it doesn't seem to have picked any libs from /opt/pt/lib at all for some reason
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• 2367[17:44:06] <jelly> so... removing them probably wont make any difference
• 2368[17:44:21] <jelly> you can try it, tho.
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• 2373[17:46:09] <ax> jelly, i don't know
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• 2377[17:46:39] <ax> have you an idea?
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• 2381[17:47:17] <ax> can i remove libqt4* ?
• 2382[17:47:25] <johanskizo> can i edit /etc/xdg/menus in deibian jessie and change activity like gnome old?
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• 2390[17:48:05] <johanskizo> and install dash to dock gnome extension
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• 2394[17:51:02] <jelly> ax: yes, try removing those from /opt/pt/lib, see if there's any change
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• 2397[17:51:48] <jelly> ax: if there's no change, you can reinstall pt7 again in the same place to put them back
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• 2399[17:52:24] <todd_dsm> I see the method to set a hostname in a preeseed file but this bug still seems in play: replaced-url
• 2400[17:52:25] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2401[17:52:31] <ax> jelly, can i remove libqt4* from my system?
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• 2403[17:52:46] <jelly> ax: no.
• 2404[17:53:04] <ax> jelly, ok
• 2405[17:53:39] <jelly> ax: removing packages would break other stuff you're using. Removing files from /opt/pt/lib instead, can only break pt
• 2406[17:54:00] <ax> jelly, yes
• 2407[17:54:22] <jelly> ax: you also have a custom /usr/local/lib/libsqlite3.so.0
• 2408[17:54:40] <jelly> but that's probably not relevant for the Qt issue with your app
• 2409[17:55:06] <jelly> judd: file lib/libsqlite3.so.0*
• 2410[17:55:10] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
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• 2417[17:56:56] <jelly> judd: file libsqlite3.so.0
• 2418[17:57:01] <judd> Search for libsqlite3.so.0 in jessie/amd64: libsqlite3-0: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsqlite3.so.0
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• 2424[17:58:54] <ax> after removing /opt/pt/lib: replaced-url
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• 2428[18:00:05] <jelly> so apparently it really doesn't work with newer Qt4.8, then
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• 2440[18:04:52] <jelly> ax: is there a change if you also move away /usr/local/lib/libsqlite3.so.0* ?
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• 2446[18:08:05] <ax> jelly, no :(
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• 2450[18:09:18] <jelly> ax: I guess you could set up a wheezy (debian 7) chroot and install the tool in there
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• 2454[18:11:03] <ax> jelly, i have been install debian 8.6!!!
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• 2458[18:11:39] <jelly> ax: just for fun, put the libQt files back, run "env LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/pt/lib ldd /opt/pt/bin/PacketTracer7", is there any difference in the output?
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• 2465[18:13:43] <ax> jelly, fun does not work :)
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• 2467[18:15:02] <bibble> thinking of installing 'rtorrent' from testing/unstable, for latest version. testing seems have same 'nginx' & 'php' versions as dotdeb, so thinking of getting them from testing too. Is this safe/ok idea ?
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• 2469[18:15:51] <jelly> bibble: no, build those for stable from debian sources, if possible. This is called a "backport" then.
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• 2473[18:15:59] <jelly> here's a recipe
• 2474[18:16:11] <jelly> !ssb
• 2475[18:16:11] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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• 2478[18:16:41] <missmbob> start with libtorrent-dev then do retorrent
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• 2480[18:17:02] <jelly> bibble: that will work for rtorrent and its own libtorrent package. It will be complicated for php. Dunno about nginx.
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• 2482[18:17:26] <jelly> ,v rtorrent
• 2483[18:17:27] <judd> Package: rtorrent on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.2-1; wheezy: 0.9.2-1; stretch: 0.9.6-2; sid: 0.9.6-2
• 2484[18:17:35] <jelly> no backports, huh
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• 2486[18:17:49] <bibble> thanks jelly, missmbob . ok, will look into it now. had been reading replaced-url
• 2487[18:17:59] <r3> I've a Soekris net6501 running wheezy and would like to know what the system temperature is. I've looked in /sys/devices for 'thermal' but it isn
• 2488[18:18:03] <jelly> is not hard, tho. ii rtorrent 0.9.6-3~0.jelly.1 amd64 ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent from rakshasa
• 2489[18:18:05] <r3> 't there. Any thoughts?
• 2490[18:18:22] <r3> (gah, stupid fat fingers)
• 2491[18:18:26] <Kobaz> damn
• 2492[18:18:29] <Kobaz> replaced-url
• 2493[18:18:36] <missmbob> bibble: dont do that nonsense
• 2494[18:18:53] <missmbob> bibble: you'll break your system faster than you can sneeze
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• 2497[18:19:07] <bibble> ok missmbob & jelly . <3
• 2498[18:19:31] <jelly> bibble: if you need software from stretch (current "testing"), consider upgrading the whole system to stretch instead
• 2499[18:19:40] <Kobaz> missmbob: it's really not that bad
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• 2502[18:19:57] <jelly> Kobaz: it is really bad, and noone sane will help fix the results
• 2503[18:19:59] <Kobaz> missmbob: i've mixed stable/testing/unstable for years, depending on the need, sometimes you need to
• 2504[18:20:02] <missmbob> Kobaz: wrong
• 2505[18:20:04] <jelly> not for free, anyway
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• 2507[18:20:26] <Kobaz> well if you understand the basics of the dependency system and monkeying with /var/lib/dpkg/status manually
• 2508[18:20:28] <Kobaz> then you're all good
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• 2510[18:20:40] <Kobaz> it's not for the faint of heart, definitely
• 2511[18:20:41] <jelly> Kobaz: and then you don't need to ask about it here
• 2512[18:20:45] <bibble> interesting point jelly
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• 2514[18:21:09] <jelly> people who ask about it here, don't know the intricacies and pitfalls and _will_ get hurt
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• 2516[18:21:26] <Kobaz> just make sure you work on a system you don't mind being a bit broken occasionally
• 2517[18:21:54] <jelly> and don't mind not being able to get help in #debian* channels :-)
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• 2519[18:22:03] <Kobaz> yeah, but that's okay
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• 2521[18:22:14] <Kobaz> it doesn't need to be officially supported to accomplish the task
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• 2523[18:22:34] <jelly> it's okay, but it's absolutely not to be recommended here
• 2524[18:22:39] <Kobaz> and then when the repo catches up to what you need, you just move everything to stable or whatever
• 2525[18:22:51] <Kobaz> upgrade/downgrade, you can go either way
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• 2527[18:23:01] <jelly> sigh
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• 2529[18:23:22] <Kobaz> it's just that sometimes, there's not a 'right path' for what you need to do 'right now'
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• 2531[18:23:42] <Kobaz> and you have to bite the bullet and mix stuff, but it's really not that bad, you can mix, and unmix very quickly
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• 2534[18:24:11] <jelly> you can, and it can leave leftover crap that goes unnoticed
• 2535[18:24:13] <Kobaz> and the best way to learn is to go break stuff and then put it back together
• 2536[18:24:22] <Kobaz> yeah but even that's fixable
• 2537[18:24:23] <jelly> downgrades break config files
• 2538[18:24:26] <Kobaz> it's all fixable
• 2539[18:24:28] <missmbob> we're not here to help people break things
• 2540[18:24:36] <jelly> nothing fixes them afterwards
• 2541[18:24:58] <Kobaz> i can fix just about any debian problem you can run into... because i've run into them all, for the most part
• 2542[18:25:01] <Kobaz> so when you'
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• 2544[18:25:18] <Kobaz> you're on a real production system and something goes wrong with the standard upgrade process, i can fix it very easily
• 2545[18:25:18] <bibble> :)
• 2546[18:25:21] <missmbob> good for you. you're giving terrible advice to newbies who dont know better. you should stop that.
• 2547[18:25:23] <jelly> Kobaz: me too, but this works for the user level who can mostly help themselves anyway
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• 2549[18:25:25] <Kobaz> because of the experience of breaking everything and having to fix it
• 2550[18:25:43] <Kobaz> i'm just saying, it's an option
• 2551[18:25:53] <Kobaz> and it's a really good way to learn
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• 2553[18:26:04] <jelly> and I'm saying not to make people in here think it's an option we're going to help them with
• 2554[18:26:08] <Kobaz> like, yeah sure, follow the docs, and understand the proper way to do things
• 2555[18:26:22] <Kobaz> but also understand the hacks you need to do, when things get serious and the docs aren't helpiung
• 2556[18:26:31] <jelly> simplified, it's an option best not mentioned at all
• 2557[18:26:56] <Kobaz> and of course, don't play with this on a box that's handling your 92837498234 million emails a day
• 2558[18:27:02] <Kobaz> throw up a vm and have at it
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• 2562[18:29:03] <bibble> Kobaz: with packages you've installed from testing, would they still recieve/work with unattended security updates ?
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• 2565[18:29:37] <Kobaz> bibble: that's left as an exercise for the reader... a lot of automatic stuff is going to have issues when you mix
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• 2567[18:29:57] <bibble> right :)
• 2568[18:30:06] <Kobaz> it's going to be on a case by case basis
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• 2570[18:30:18] <Kobaz> monitor it and if it works for you, then great
• 2571[18:30:19] <jelly> bibble: there are no real security updates in testing
• 2572[18:30:36] <bibble> oh right
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• 2574[18:30:50] <jelly> "case by case" means "you need to take care of it on your own"
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• 2579[18:31:30] <Kobaz> the packages you've specifically installed from testing... you can try and script up an apt-get update/install every week or whatever
• 2580[18:31:31] <jelly> this usually means "installed once and never upgraded"
• 2581[18:31:42] <Kobaz> but things may break (tm)
• 2582[18:31:48] <jelly> things WILL break
• 2583[18:31:53] <jelly> don't do this.
• 2584[18:31:57] <bibble> :)
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• 2586[18:32:53] <jelly> ,v nginx
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• 2588[18:32:53] <judd> Package: nginx on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.2-5+deb8u2; jessie-security: 1.6.2-5+deb8u4; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.6.2-5+deb8u4; jessie-backports: 1.9.10-1~bpo8+3; jessie-backports: 1.9.10-1~bpo8+4; sid: 1.10.1-1; sid: 1.10.2-1; stretch: 1.10.2-1; experimental: 1.11.2-1~exp1;
• 2589[18:32:54] <judd> experimental: 1.11.5-1~exp1
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• 2593[18:33:07] <jelly> ^^ some things have ready-made backports
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• 2597[18:33:14] <Kobaz> yeah
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• 2599[18:33:26] <Kobaz> but when backports arent available, you need other options
• 2600[18:33:34] <bibble> that's great about nginx. most important one :)
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• 2602[18:33:51] <Kobaz> bibble: one thing to consider, specific packages that you need... build the source and install to like /opt or whatever with a --prefix
• 2603[18:33:54] <jelly> "set up a stretch chroot and run shit there" is a much better option than "mix stable and something newer"
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• 2605[18:34:26] <Kobaz> in our custom debian-based distro for our internal clusters, we maintain 4 or 6 apps that are built manually
• 2606[18:34:36] <jelly> you _maintain_
• 2607[18:34:51] <Kobaz> so that we can apt-get upgrade the distro, and then our internal apps/deps don't break
• 2608[18:34:52] <jelly> it's work, a constant load
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• 2610[18:35:07] <bibble> good points jelly, Kobaz . try to avoid compiling, as debian package manager is awesome and prefer to use it as much as possible
• 2611[18:35:44] <ryouma> jelly: what is the effort required to set up a stretch chroot and run stuff -- including gui applications? where might one find a tutorial for this great idea?
• 2612[18:36:12] <Kobaz> replaced-url
• 2613[18:36:18] <Kobaz> it's a pretty neat package
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• 2615[18:36:28] <ryouma> this seems like a great solution, but -- yeah i never figured debootstrap out
• 2616[18:36:30] <Kobaz> you can install another distro in a new root basically
• 2617[18:36:44] <Kobaz> it's pretty easy there's some howtos around somewhere
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• 2619[18:36:58] <Kobaz> so set up your /testing install in like /somewhere/else/debian-testing
• 2620[18:37:08] <Kobaz> and then start up your testing-* based apps off of that
• 2621[18:37:09] <jelly> ryouma: dunno, I didn't have to scale up enough to automate things, but there are tools like
• 2622[18:37:12] <jelly> ,i dchroot
• 2623[18:37:13] <judd> Package dchroot (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: Execute commands in a chroot environment. Version: 1.6.10-1+b1; Size: 326.2k; Installed: 1413k
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• 2625[18:37:45] <Kobaz> well basically the howto is right on the debootstrap page
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• 2627[18:38:02] <r3> I've a Soekris net6501 running wheezy and would like to know what the system temperature is. I've looked in /sys/devices for 'thermal' but it isn' there. Any thoughts about where to look for a core temp? I'm not sure if there are even any 'standard' places debian looks for such things ... any input would be welcome! :)
• 2628[18:38:02] <jelly> debootstrap is the base for most of debian's chrooty buildy wrapper things
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• 2635[18:40:06] <bibble> r3: in /proc ?
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• 2639[18:41:33] <r3> bibble: that gives me a bunch of info about the cpu, but not anything dynamic like the temperature
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• 2642[18:42:16] <bibble> ah, ok
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• 2644[18:42:58] <r3> I know that, for instance, and I know it is raspbian and not debian, but just an example the temperature is at '/sys/devices/virtual/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp'
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• 2647[18:43:28] <r3> ...on this Raspberry Pi. But not there on this other hardware. I don't know enough about it, really. Google hasn't been any help
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• 2652[18:45:57] <bibble> can I safely dist-upgrade the system to stretch ?
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• 2655[18:46:13] <jelly> dpkg, jessie->stretch
• 2656[18:46:14] <dpkg> First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like jessie-updates and backports, and change jessie to stretch. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while.
• 2657[18:46:40] <missmbob> also
• 2658[18:46:42] <missmbob> !debian-next
• 2659[18:46:42] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 2660[18:47:15] <bibble> see :) jelly missmbob
• 2661[18:47:16] <jelly> bibble: there's nothing safe in the testing branch, except the warm fuzzy feeling you get knowing every bug you find and report (and fix?) is one less bug users of next stable will experience!
• 2662[18:47:30] <bibble> :D
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• 2679[18:56:33] <azarus> Does someone have an idea how to solve this error with MariaDB? ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2 "No such file or directory")
• 2680[18:56:33] <azarus> I've tried looking it up, to no avail.
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• 2682[18:57:52] <jelly> azarus: that's shorthand for "make sure your mysql server mysqld process is actually running"
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• 2684[18:58:37] <azarus> Yes, but "sudo systemctl enable mysqld" gives me this: Failed to execute operation: No such file or directory
• 2685[18:58:41] <jelly> if you get it at start of the server itself, it can mean "make sure there's no leftover old mysqld process still running, first"
• 2686[18:59:01] <jelly> azarus: is there an actual service unit called mysqld?
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• 2688[18:59:22] <jelly> debian typically does not put the "d" in service names for daemons
• 2689[18:59:24] <azarus> I'll post a journalctl, hang on.
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• 2691[18:59:39] <jelly> systemctl status mysql
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• 2696[19:00:11] <azarus> ● mysql.service - LSB: Start and stop the mysql database server daemon
• 2697[19:00:11] <azarus> Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/mysql)
• 2698[19:00:11] <azarus> Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Wed 2016-11-09 05:04:50 CET; 13h ago
• 2699[19:00:11] <azarus> Nov 09 05:04:50 nextcloud systemd[1]: mysql.service: control process exited...03
• 2700[19:00:11] <azarus> Nov 09 05:04:50 nextcloud systemd[1]: Failed to start LSB: Start and stop t...n.
• 2701[19:00:12] <azarus> Nov 09 05:04:50 nextcloud systemd[1]: Unit mysql.service entered failed state.
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• 2706[19:00:33] <azarus> Whoops. Too muh.
• 2707[19:00:39] <jelly> azarus: mysql.service <- no d
• 2708[19:00:40] <azarus> I'll use paste.debian
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• 2711[19:01:08] <jhutchins> azarus: Your sql server is failing to start. Youj need to figure out why.
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• 2716[19:01:27] <jhutchins> azarus: You can't connect to it because it isn't running.
• 2717[19:01:42] <azarus> A second, journalctl on the way:
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• 2719[19:02:11] <jhutchins> azarus: What have you done besides install it?
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• 2721[19:02:33] <azarus> replaced-url
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• 2723[19:02:44] <azarus> jhutchins, not much. Created a databse
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• 2726[19:03:39] <jelly> Nov 09 05:04:48 nextcloud systemd[458]: Failed at step EXEC spawning /etc/init.d/mysql: No such file or directory
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• 2728[19:03:43] <jhutchins> azarus: Did you change anything about the user accounts?
• 2729[19:03:49] <jelly> azarus: ls -ld /etc/init.d/mysql
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• 2732[19:04:16] <azarus> jelly,
• 2733[19:04:16] <azarus> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5486 Sep 10 07:29 /etc/init.d/mysql
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• 2735[19:04:46] <azarus> jhutchins, not that i know of.
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• 2737[19:05:48] <jelly> azarus: okay. is there any leftover mysqld process running?
• 2738[19:06:06] <azarus> ps -ef | grep mysql?
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• 2743[19:06:56] <jhutchins> ,v mariadb-server
• 2744[19:06:57] <judd> Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- jessie-security: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.26-0+deb8u1; sid: 10.0.26-1; jessie: 10.0.27-0+deb8u1; stretch: 10.0.27-2; sid: 10.0.28-1; stretch: 10.0.28-1
• 2745[19:07:00] <azarus> jelly, azarus 3819 3494 0 19:06 pts/0 00:00:00 grep --color=auto --exclude-dir=.bzr --exclude-dir=CVS --exclude-dir=.git --exclude-dir=.hg --exclude-dir=.svn mysql
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• 2749[19:07:29] <azarus> So, jelly, there is no other process running.
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• 2752[19:08:35] <jelly> azarus: good. "grep mysqld /var/log/daemon.log", see if it complains about something specific at start
• 2753[19:08:48] <azarus> Okay, jelly on it
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• 2757[19:10:25] <azarus> jelly, replaced-url
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• 2767[19:14:29] <jelly> no idea what happened there, looks like it started just fine lines 200-219, then nothing in the logs and it's starting again
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• 2777[19:16:14] <jelly> ,v mariadb-server-10.0
• 2778[19:16:15] <judd> Package: mariadb-server-10.0 on amd64 -- jessie-security: 10.0.26-0+deb8u1; jessie: 10.0.27-0+deb8u1; sid: 10.0.28-1; stretch: 10.0.28-1
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• 2787[19:18:09] <DammitJim> is there a way to reduce the size of a logical volume while it's mounted?
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• 2789[19:18:49] <jelly> DammitJim: do you want to keep the data?
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• 2791[19:18:57] <DammitJim> LOL... yes, jelly
• 2792[19:19:05] <jelly> then no
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• 2794[19:19:30] <DammitJim> I have a /usr partition (I guess I can call it partition) that I want to reduce
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• 2796[19:19:38] <DammitJim> can I unmount it on the fly?
• 2797[19:19:42] <DammitJim> or will stuff break?
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• 2802[19:20:09] <greycat> It's very unlikely you can unmount /usr on a running system.
• 2803[19:20:16] <DammitJim> thanks guys
• 2804[19:20:20] <DammitJim> scheduling an outage
• 2805[19:20:21] <jelly> even so, you need to reduce the filesystem (structures) first, and for that the filesystem type needs to _support_ that. ext4 does have an _offline_ procedure. xfs doesn't have any.
• 2806[19:20:44] <azarus> Hm. Any leads, jelly?
• 2807[19:20:55] <greycat> Usually it's backup, boot from CD, recreate, restore.
• 2808[19:20:56] <DammitJim> ext4 is what I have
• 2809[19:21:02] <jelly> azarus: no idea what happened there, looks like it started just fine lines 200-219, then nothing in the logs and it's starting again
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• 2812[19:21:19] <greycat> "offline" means while unmounted, in this context
• 2813[19:21:24] <missmbob> is there a way to make iceowl play nice with read-only calendars? i can't dismiss notifications of events that i dont have modify access to (which...is ridiculous)
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• 2816[19:21:31] <DammitJim> right
• 2817[19:21:43] <azarus> Should i reboot and post the logs again, jelly ?
• 2818[19:21:47] <jelly> azarus: I'd start /usr/sbin/mysqld manually and hope it failed in the same way, probably; similar to
• 2819[19:21:51] <jelly> !ifmrp
• 2820[19:21:51] <dpkg> If you've forgotten the <MySQL> root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start See also replaced-url
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• 2822[19:22:08] <jelly> except without --skip-grant-tables
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• 2824[19:22:39] <jelly> and possibly with a parameter that makes it run in foreground instead of daemonizing itself
• 2825[19:23:11] <azarus> jelly, "mysql" is not in /usr/bin, there is only replaced-url
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• 2827[19:23:38] <jelly> azarus: I didn't say anything about mysql or /usr/bin
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• 2831[19:23:50] <greycat> CGroup: /system.slice/mysql.service
• 2832[19:23:50] <greycat> |-21997 /bin/sh /usr/bin/mysqld_safe
• 2833[19:23:51] <greycat> `-22346 /usr/sbin/mysqld --basedir=/usr --datadir=/var/lib/mysql -...
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• 2835[19:24:08] <azarus> Hm? mariadb has the same commands as mysql, i think, jelly
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• 2837[19:24:27] <jelly> "azarus: I'd start /usr/sbin/mysqld manually and hope it failed in the same way, probably"
• 2838[19:24:54] <jelly> start the _daemon_ itself, manually
• 2839[19:24:57] <azarus> jelly, How can i start mysqld if it's not in /usr/bin?
• 2840[19:25:02] <greycat> dear lord
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• 2842[19:25:16] <greycat> why would you expect a daemon to be in /usr/bin where ordinary users might try to run it?
• 2843[19:25:21] * jelly will not stoop to greycat levels of desperation
• 2844[19:25:24] * jelly will not stoop to greycat levels of desperation
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• 2847[19:25:41] <jelly> azarus: /usr/sbin is different from /usr/bin
• 2848[19:25:50] <jelly> azarus: mysqld is different from mysql
• 2849[19:25:52] <greycat> See my snippet from systemctl status that I posted like 3 minutes ago.
• 2850[19:25:55] <azarus> I know, sbin is for root stuff
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• 2852[19:26:05] <jelly> azarus: and you have to be root to do that
• 2853[19:26:05] <greycat> Like database daemons.
• 2854[19:26:26] <azarus> Oh. Whoops. guess i forgot the "s". sorry.
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• 2857[19:27:28] <azarus> I was able to execute it, started without an error message, yet issue persists
• 2858[19:27:39] <greycat> I wouldn't even attempt to run mysqld by hand. I'd let the Debian scripts do it. Someone who knows this stuff presumably wrote them to do whatever they need to do.
• 2859[19:28:08] <azarus> Well, greycat, sure, but this is troubleshooting
• 2860[19:28:11] <jelly> considering the "forgot mysql root" procedure does it, I don't think it's a horribly bad idea
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• 2862[19:29:17] <jelly> azarus: did it start and exit? What was the exit status of mysqld?
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• 2865[19:29:54] <azarus> jelly, same as before
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• 2867[19:30:34] <azarus> Post again?
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• 2871[19:31:08] <DammitJim> can I shrink a physical partition? I bet I can't
• 2872[19:31:21] <jelly> azarus: what was the exit status of /usr/sbin/mysqld when run as root?
• 2873[19:32:02] <azarus> jelly, replaced-url
• 2874[19:32:15] <DammitJim> I ask because I'm working with VMs
• 2875[19:32:34] <jelly> azarus: that does not look like you ran "/usr/sbin/mysqld"
• 2876[19:33:12] <jelly> azarus: what exact command did you run to get that output?
• 2877[19:33:34] <azarus> Did it again, no change; jelly. Command was: sudo systemctl status mysql
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• 2879[19:33:58] <jelly> oh, you don't know how to look up exit status of a command.
• 2880[19:34:11] <azarus> That's true.
• 2881[19:34:24] <jelly> azarus: run "/usr/sbin/mysqld" as root. When it ends, run "echo $?"
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• 2884[19:35:25] <azarus> Exit status: 1, jelly
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• 2889[19:35:56] <danke> [x11grab @ 0x1d8a560] device: :0.0 -> display: :0.0 x: 0 y: 0 width: 1280 height: 800
• 2890[19:35:56] <danke> No protocol specified [x11grab @ 0x1d8a560] Could not open X display. :0.0: Input/output error
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• 2896[19:36:49] <jelly> azarus: good, that's a failure (exit status of 0 is success)
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• 2899[19:37:16] <jelly> azarus: now see if there's anything new in /var/log/daemon about mysqld after that run
• 2900[19:38:08] <azarus> server.c: Packet too short or invalid while reading response record. (Maybe a UTF-8 problem?) Maybe this?
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• 2903[19:39:21] <jelly> is there anything else?
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• 2907[19:39:57] <azarus> Nothing new after a new run, jelly
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• 2909[19:40:08] * jelly shrugs
• 2910[19:40:24] <jelly> at that point I'd probably start using strace
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• 2912[19:40:41] <jhutchins> azarus: I think you can enable more verbose logging in my.cnf, but at this point I'd be tempted to purge and reinstal.
• 2913[19:40:52] <jelly> azarus: strace -efork,execve,open -f /usr/sbin/mysqld
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• 2915[19:41:06] <azarus> jhutchins, already purged it once. Try it againg though?
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• 2917[19:41:18] <jelly> do you care about the current database contents?
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• 2919[19:41:35] <azarus> jelly, not really
• 2920[19:41:54] <jelly> then purge _all_ the mariadb-server* packages
• 2921[19:42:01] <jhutchins> azarus: Make sure that /var/lib/mysql is gone after you purge.
• 2922[19:42:07] <azarus> Okay. i'll try
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• 2924[19:42:29] <jhutchins> azarus: Also, consider looking for README files in /usr/share/docs/mariadb*/
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• 2927[19:43:22] <azarus> Should i delete /var/lib/mysql after purging? jhutchins
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• 2932[19:46:51] <azarus> After purging and deleting files, reinstall?
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• 2935[19:47:36] <jelly> yeah
• 2936[19:47:41] <azarus> Okay.
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• 2942[19:48:39] <azarus> jelly, same error after "sudo systemctl start mysql"
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• 2944[19:48:59] <jelly> which packages did you purge and how?
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• 2946[19:49:11] <azarus> sudo apt purge mariadb*
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• 2948[19:49:19] <jelly> and what did that do?
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• 2950[19:49:33] <azarus> removed 2 packages: mariadb-server and mariadb-client
• 2951[19:49:36] <greycat> hopefully you were NOT in a directory that had files matching the glob mariadb* at the time
• 2952[19:50:08] <jelly> azarus: that doesn't sound like it got all the packages named starting with mariadb-server
• 2953[19:50:33] <azarus> How do i check? jelly
• 2954[19:50:40] <greycat> dpkg -l mariadb\*
• 2955[19:50:40] <dpkg> No packages found matching mariadb\*
• 2956[19:50:44] <jelly> I don't think that syntax is correct.
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• 2959[19:51:09] <jelly> (referring to apt purge mariadb*)
• 2960[19:51:10] <greycat> maybe he actually *was* in a directory that had files named mariadb-server and mariadb-client and that's why the glob only expanded to those two...?
• 2961[19:51:16] <jelly> nod
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• 2963[19:51:53] <azarus> I was in /usr/share/doc
• 2964[19:52:15] <greycat> The larger point here is that if you want to pass a literal * to a command, it has to be quoted or escaped.
• 2965[19:52:22] <greycat> As in dpkg -l mariadb\*
• 2966[19:52:53] <azarus> You're right, greycat
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• 2968[19:54:04] <azarus> Errors were encountered while processing:
• 2969[19:54:04] <azarus> mariadb-server-10.0
• 2970[19:54:04] <azarus> mariadb-common
• 2971[19:54:04] <azarus> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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• 2975[19:54:33] <greycat> azarus: making progress. Now review the whole error and figure out why it failed.
• 2976[19:54:44] <jelly> avoid pasting more than 2 successive lines into the channel
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• 2978[19:54:58] <azarus> Okay, i will do that. jelly
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• 2982[19:55:30] <azarus> Dependency issues with mariadb-common
• 2983[19:55:56] <greycat> So you want to run "dpkg --purge mariadb-server-10.0 mariadb-common mariadb-server" or something similar.
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• 2987[19:56:44] <azarus> It gets errors while processing mariadb-server-10.0 and mariadb-common greycat
• 2988[19:57:03] <greycat> What errors?
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• 2991[19:57:26] <azarus> dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute installed post-installation script (/var/lib/dpkg/info/mariadb-server-10.0.postinst): No such file or directory
• 2992[19:57:26] <azarus> Is one of them greycat
• 2993[19:57:26] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, azarus
• 2994[19:57:30] <missmbob> start using paste.debian.net
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• 2996[19:58:10] <greycat> If /var/lib/dpkg/info/mariadb-server-10.0.postinst exists, make sure it has a #!/bin/sh shebang, and consider just slapping an "exit 0" right after that as a last resort.
• 2997[19:58:20] <greycat> If it's missing, create it with just those two lines and make it executable.
• 2998[19:58:36] <jelly> wait what
• 2999[19:59:03] <azarus> greycat, both are present
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• 3003[20:00:30] <opv> hi all
• 3004[20:00:51] <jelly> azarus: pastebin the output of "mount"
• 3005[20:01:15] <opv> i'm looking for a realtime kernel for debian jessie, but i can't seem to find a package. any pointers?
• 3006[20:01:32] <azarus> jelly, replaced-url
• 3007[20:02:06] <azarus> I gotta go. BRB in 20 minutes or so
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• 3023[20:08:09] <Cueball> Does anyone know if Asterisk is available in testing right now?
• 3024[20:09:23] <missmbob> !why is asterisk not in testing
• 3025[20:09:24] <dpkg> asterisk is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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• 3035[20:11:19] <missmbob> !tell Cueball about debian-next
• 3036[20:11:29] <Cueball> Thanks missmbob
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• 3038[20:12:24] <jelly> what's the point in the release process when we start allowing stable+1 question in here? ABI freeze? freeze? less-than-200-rc-bugs?
• 3039[20:13:09] <jelly> or will people in here magically know everything about stretch the same day it's released?
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• 3042[20:13:43] <missmbob> *shurg* i assume at this point they still know more about stretch. i haven't touched it
• 3043[20:14:30] <jelly> (I propose we stop pushing people to -next immediately, when freeze happens)
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• 3045[20:15:01] <missmbob> that'll probably happen naturally. be too crazy otherwise
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• 3047[20:15:53] <jelly> my naturally right now would be to frown at every automatic !debian-next ... I don't trust the naturally
• 3048[20:15:55] <jhutchins> We know that people who run testing and unstable do hang out here. A lot of the questions are generic or procedural, not release-specific.
• 3049[20:16:25] <missmbob> it was generic enough and i gave him the answer.
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• 3054[20:17:32] <jhutchins> I would expect that most of the people in debian-next are also here, it's just a higher concentration there.
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• 3057[20:17:52] <Cueball> You have to be invited to #debian-next.
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• 3059[20:18:11] <missmbob> Cueball: read the whole thing. wrong network
• 3060[20:18:16] <Cueball> Differnt network :o
• 3061[20:18:23] <Cueball> LoL just read that too.
• 3062[20:18:29] <Cueball> I'm tired. LoL
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• 3074[20:23:38] <hugleo> can I create and bringing up multiples vlans at once without the need of create a tons of lines in /etc/network/interfaces ? I need qinq eth1.200[1-4085]
• 3075[20:24:20] <azarus> I'm back, jelly greycat. where were we?
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• 3077[20:24:42] <opv> hugleo: you could script it and call the script
• 3078[20:25:00] <jhutchins> azarus: Did you ever mention what release you're running?
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• 3080[20:25:16] <azarus> jhutchins, stable
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• 3085[20:26:22] <greycat> Did you fix your postinst script so that it exits successfully so that you can purge the packages?
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• 3087[20:26:55] <azarus> Well, it did have a shebang and a "exit 0", so i'm kinda lost
• 3088[20:27:24] <greycat> 13:57 azarus> dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute installed post-installation script (/var/lib/dpkg/info/mariadb-server-10.0.postinst): No such file or directory
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• 3090[20:27:33] <greycat> The question is *what file* was not found.
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• 3092[20:27:58] <greycat> Are you sure the shebang is correct? Doesn't have a Windows carriage return?
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• 3094[20:28:20] <azarus> I'm not sure about the CR, but it did have a correct shebang
• 3095[20:28:21] <jelly> hugleo, 2001 to 4085?
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• 3097[20:28:45] <jelly> oh, QinQ
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• 3099[20:29:25] <kion> I am trying to run Cinelerra and it crashes, with my syslog showing libfreetype "having a wrong version" Jessie has the version 2.5 and the latest one is 2.7 will I break something if I compile and install the 2.7?
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• 3101[20:30:14] <greycat> azarus: head -1 /var/lib/dpkg/info/mariadb-server-10.0.postinst | cat -e
• 3102[20:30:29] <missmbob> ,v libfreetype6
• 3103[20:30:30] <judd> Package: libfreetype6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.4.9-1.1+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 2.4.9-1.1+deb7u3; jessie: 2.5.2-3+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.5.2-3+deb8u1; stretch: 2.6.3-3+b1; sid: 2.6.3-3+b1
• 3104[20:30:34] <missmbob> it requires 2.7? damn.
• 3105[20:30:48] <azarus> By the way, greycat, executing the postinst with sh returns: replaced-url
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• 3107[20:31:43] <greycat> Bleh, perl errors from debconf/frontend... I have no idea what's causing that.
• 3108[20:32:06] <greycat> But it's VERY interesting that you get a different error when you run it with an explicit sh. That still points to a bad shebang.
• 3109[20:32:11] <greycat> azarus: head -1 /var/lib/dpkg/info/mariadb-server-10.0.postinst | cat -e
• 3110[20:32:34] <jhutchins> ,v mysqld
• 3111[20:32:35] <judd> No package named 'mysqld' was found in amd64.
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• 3113[20:32:42] <jhutchins> ,v mysql-server
• 3114[20:32:43] <judd> Package: mysql-server on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.5.47-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.5.50-0+deb8u1; wheezy-security: 5.5.52-0+deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.5.52-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.5.53-0+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 5.6.30-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 5.6.30-1; sid: 5.6.30-1; sid: 5.7.16-1
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• 3116[20:33:21] <azarus> greycat, #!/bin/bash -e$
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• 3118[20:33:50] <greycat> OK, it's not a carriage return. I didn't know any postinst scripts used bash.
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• 3120[20:34:16] <greycat> Still don't know where your ENOENT is coming from.
• 3121[20:34:22] <azarus> Can zsh run bash scripts?
• 3122[20:34:51] <greycat> Bash can run bash scripts.
• 3123[20:34:51] <hugleo> jelly: ;-)
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• 3125[20:35:08] <greycat> Did you break bash? Is that what's underlying this whole mess?
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• 3128[20:35:26] <azarus> It may be that...
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• 3130[20:35:44] <greycat> What did you do to bash?
• 3131[20:35:48] <hugleo> jelly: the script idea looks good. A just be sure that that script starts before the app...
• 3132[20:35:59] <azarus> I removed it
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• 3135[20:36:33] <azarus> i thought i didn't need it. Seems i've been an idiot
• 3136[20:36:39] <greycat> Well put it back.
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• 3138[20:36:52] <greycat> This explains where the No such file or directory came from.
• 3139[20:36:58] <azarus> How do i bypass broken dependencies?
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• 3146[20:38:24] <noqnio1> Hey. I am running debian Jessie for a while now, and i have quite a few packages including nvidia proprietary drivers from experimental. What are the chances that everything will work as intended if i upgrade to stretch ?
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• 3153[20:40:31] <missmbob> from experiental. people always surprise me.
• 3154[20:40:58] <noqnio1> we discussed it yesterday mate, for nvidia drivers sometimes it is the only option
• 3155[20:41:12] <noqnio1> especially for newer cards
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• 3157[20:41:35] <missmbob> noqnio1: decent chance something will break when you go mixing stuff like that. nvidia-driver is in jessie-backports. you dont need experiemental
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• 3159[20:42:13] <missmbob> especially when you say "quite a few"
• 3160[20:42:21] <azarus> greycat, Right, now i have broken dependencies, but how can I fix them without bash installed?
• 3161[20:42:47] <greycat> I don't think anyone can answer that. Just install bash.
• 3162[20:43:08] <noqnio1> quite a few was referring to the packages, i only have nvidia from experimental, i did not have good results from bp ones
• 3163[20:43:17] <azarus> Manually with dpkg? apt can't fix it's dependencies. jelly
• 3164[20:43:27] <azarus> I meant greycat , sorry
• 3165[20:43:29] <greycat> If you can't install the bash PACKAGE right now, you could extract the files and drop the shell in /bin/bash and pray.
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• 3167[20:44:10] <greycat> As long as ncurses is still there, you might be OK....
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• 3171[20:45:57] <kion> judd, maybe stretch: 2.6.3-3+b1 works, this may be a stupid question but how do I install that one?
• 3172[20:46:06] <jhutchins> Does anybody think that forcibly installing an uninstallable package sounds like a good idea?
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• 3174[20:46:31] <missmbob> kion: judd is a bot
• 3175[20:46:31] <nkuttler> jhutchins: sounds like great fun
• 3176[20:46:56] <missmbob> ,checkbackport libfreetype6
• 3177[20:46:59] <judd> Backporting package libfreetype6 in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual.
• 3178[20:47:03] <missmbob> kion: ^^ you can do ssb
• 3179[20:47:07] <missmbob> !tell kion about ssb
• 3180[20:47:09] <Dracunos> That's not nice, calling someone a bot
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• 3183[20:48:18] <kion> judd, thanks, can you explain the process, all I know was apt-get -t jessie-backports install .... but sid-->jessie how?
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• 3185[20:49:14] <missmbob> kion: again, judd is a bot. i'm calling it for you. c'mon
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• 3187[20:49:38] <missmbob> kion: see the /msg the other bot, dpkg, sent you about ssb. it explains how
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• 3189[20:50:55] <azarus> right, i have extracted the bash package, greycat. How do i "drop it into /bin/bash", without, hopefully, messing it all up?
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• 3192[20:51:30] <greycat> cp, chmod, etc.
• 3193[20:51:52] <kion> missmbob, oops, somehow I always end taking to bots... Thanks
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• 3196[20:53:28] <bibble> lol
• 3197[20:53:56] <azarus> greycat can you cat the preinst of the bash package?
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• 3202[20:54:37] <greycat> azarus: for fuck's sake, just PUT /bin/bash WHERE IT BELONGS and see if it runs.
• 3203[20:54:48] <greycat> If it does, then you can try to install the actual package.
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• 3207[20:56:13] <missmbob> how did you remove bash, anyway? i just tried it and apt-get says "DONT DO THIS YOU IDIOT"
• 3208[20:56:54] <azarus> missmbob, stupidity
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• 3215[21:00:21] <azarus> I can't see a executable file in the bash package, am i missing something?
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• 3217[21:00:39] <greycat> It's /bin/bash
• 3218[21:00:44] <greycat> How hard is this
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• 3222[21:00:56] <greycat> $ dpkg -L bash | grep bin/bash
• 3223[21:00:56] <greycat> /usr/bin/bashbug
• 3224[21:00:56] <greycat> /bin/bash
• 3225[21:01:03] <azarus> I put the package contents in /bin/bash
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• 3227[21:01:25] <greycat> You mean you extracted it in /tmp and then you copied /tmp/bin/bash to /bin/bash ?
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• 3229[21:01:40] <azarus> Yes.
• 3230[21:01:50] <greycat> And then you made sure it's got 755 perms?
• 3231[21:01:52] <greycat> And then you ran it?
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• 3237[21:03:02] <azarus> Problem is, greycat , the contents aren't really binaries
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• 3243[21:03:54] <greycat> I have no fucking clue what you are talking about.
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• 3246[21:05:14] <azarus> Here are the contents of the bash package: conffiles, control, md5sums etc,
• 3247[21:05:17] <greycat> Did you extract something that ISN'T a debian binary package of bash?
• 3248[21:05:29] <greycat> Did you not fully extract it?
• 3249[21:05:44] <greycat> What is the name of the FILE that you extracted from?
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• 3252[21:06:15] <azarus> greycat, /var/cache/apt/archives/bash_4.3-11+b1_amd64.deb
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• 3255[21:06:36] <greycat> Then there should be a data.tar.gz file that came out of the ar archive. Extract that with gzip and/or tar.
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• 3258[21:06:52] <greycat> Or extract with dpkg -x or something, I dunno.
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• 3261[21:07:32] <azarus> greycat, i tried with dpkg -e
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• 3263[21:07:48] <greycat> -e, --control filename [directory]
• 3264[21:07:49] <greycat> Extract control-information from a package.
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• 3266[21:07:52] <greycat> Why the hell did you do that...
• 3267[21:08:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1745
• 3268[21:08:01] <greycat> Look RIGHT BELOW THAT in the man page.
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• 3270[21:08:12] <azarus> *facepalm* I'm truly an idiot.
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• 3275[21:11:04] <azarus> Hey, after some legitimate thinking i got into a bash shell!
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• 3313[21:20:06] <azarus> I managed it, greycat, thank you for your help.
• 3314[21:20:22] <missmbob> azarus: you did remember to reinstall the bash package after?
• 3315[21:20:22] <azarus> And sorry for being a mindless idiot.
• 3316[21:20:25] <azarus> Yes.
• 3317[21:20:31] <azarus> I installed the bash package,
• 3318[21:20:45] <greycat> In the future, try not removing packages that have "Priority: required"
• 3319[21:20:59] <azarus> I will remember that.
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• 3339[21:33:10] <christyx> hey
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• 3348[21:35:47] <christyx> I've this weird problem, utorrent installed, having around 100 mo / s bandwidth, yet utorrent seems to roof at 20 mo / s. How's that ? (Basically having massive seeded downloads in progress, launch speedtest at the same time, speedtest measures bandwidth around 80 mo /s)
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• 3352[21:36:15] <christyx> Seems like my modem, ISP or computer is nerfing utorrent, but how...
• 3353[21:36:35] <greycat> I would look for a bandwidth throttle within utorrent first.
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• 3355[21:37:20] <LennyKitty> is it possible to install debian from my arch insitutational
• 3356[21:37:26] <LennyKitty> instalation
• 3357[21:37:32] <greycat> !debootstrap
• 3358[21:37:32] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
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• 3360[21:38:16] <christyx> greycat: will look into it, thanks
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• 3370[21:38:43] <bibble> christyx: please post if it does turn out to be your isp though
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• 3374[21:40:18] <LennyKitty> greycat, I need to use my corrent separate /home parittion
• 3375[21:40:38] <greycat> No problem. You can mount that later.
• 3376[21:41:08] <bibble> christyx: apparently you can test for traffic shaping etc here: replaced-url
• 3377[21:41:42] <LennyKitty> alternatively, can I install the live cd to a hdd partition?
• 3378[21:41:55] <greycat> Only if you're on a legacy BIOS box.
• 3379[21:42:04] <greycat> !uefi live
• 3380[21:42:04] <dpkg> Currently, UEFI support exists only in Debian's installation images. The accompanying live images do not have support for UEFI boot. <replaced-url
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• 3385[21:45:26] * sl4v3 reflects on how much more important #debian seems than Donald Trump
• 3386[21:45:38] <greycat> Please keep politics to #debian-offtopic.
• 3387[21:45:44] <christyx> bibble:thanks, will look into that aswell
• 3388[21:46:02] <sl4v3> no one would dare talk about that here.
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• 3392[21:46:33] <LennyKitty> jessee isthe current unstable right?
• 3393[21:46:51] <greycat> Current stable.
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• 3402[21:49:30] <LennyKitty> greycat, when you say "you can mount that later"
• 3403[21:49:44] <LennyKitty> do you mean after I boot into debian and out of arcg
• 3404[21:50:17] <greycat> Yes. Just clean out the stub /home that it gives you (or just ignore the contents), and mount your partition on /home.
• 3405[21:50:43] <LennyKitty> I hope that is simple :P
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• 3409[21:53:13] <LennyKitty> greycat, replaced-url
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• 3443[22:06:59] <christyx> greycat: bibble: I've performed a bittorrent throttling test using Neubot, and it shows me a DL speed of 809Mbit/s. So definitely not ISP throttling. I'll try another torrent client.
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• 3447[22:07:49] <missmbob> christyx: use deluge. no problems here
• 3448[22:07:53] <LennyKitty> greycat, any clues?
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• 3450[22:08:11] <greycat> What's the question?
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• 3454[22:09:11] <christyx> missmbob: I'll try that
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• 3462[22:10:18] <christyx> Sometimes I wonder if greycat is a dude or Debian itself answering to people
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• 3464[22:10:33] <greycat> I'm not even a DD. Just a dude.
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• 3470[22:12:54] <LennyKitty> greycat, replaced-url
• 3471[22:13:03] <LennyKitty> greycat, I cant install make-dev
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• 3473[22:13:19] <greycat> *sigh* you're not going to ask a question, are you... you're going to make me read an unsolicited pastebin link and guess why you pasted it
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• 3476[22:13:55] <LennyKitty> greycat, Im trying to install a system with debootstrap, the manual tells me to run this command
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• 3478[22:13:59] <LennyKitty> I get this error
• 3479[22:14:13] <greycat> Looks like your PATH doesn't contain /sbin and /usr/sbin
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• 3481[22:14:22] <RebelCoder> Hey
• 3482[22:14:33] <greycat> Not sure about the pts errors.
• 3483[22:14:37] <LennyKitty> how do I fix those
• 3484[22:14:41] <RikuKawai> why is the version of Eclipse in the Debian repository so incredibly ancient?
• 3485[22:14:43] <greycat> PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:$PATH
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• 3487[22:15:20] <LennyKitty> ok
• 3488[22:15:21] <RikuKawai> it's 4 years out of date on testing, even more so on stable
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• 3490[22:15:25] <LennyKitty> now I get this warning
• 3491[22:15:30] <LennyKitty> /sbin/MAKEDEV: warning: can't read /proc/devices
• 3492[22:15:34] <LennyKitty> but it went through
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• 3502[22:18:04] <LennyKitty> greycat, now, im setting fstab, what do I put for /home?
• 3503[22:18:11] <LennyKitty> sense I want to use my current /home
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• 3506[22:18:25] <centrx> RikuKawai: Looks like there's no interest in making a new package and maintaining
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• 3508[22:18:41] <greycat> If you know the device, you can just put the device in. But you're better off using the UUID, or an ext* label.
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• 3512[22:18:49] <centrx> RikuKawai: (Personally I dislike Eclipse so I can see why no one would put the time in to package it)
• 3513[22:18:58] <bibble> christyx: this thread is interesting: replaced-url
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• 3515[22:19:02] <LennyKitty> greycat, and I can do this even though its mounted on my current sysrem
• 3516[22:19:06] <greycat> You can use "lsblk -f" as root to get the UUID easily.
• 3517[22:19:11] <RikuKawai> the heck else am I supposed to use for Java
• 3518[22:19:17] <LennyKitty> oh yah
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• 3520[22:19:23] <LennyKitty> its a lvm2 partition
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• 3523[22:19:48] <christyx> bibble: trying deluge atm
• 3524[22:19:50] <greycat> For logical volumes, I prefer using the name I gave it (/dev/vgname/lvname).
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• 3527[22:20:10] <RikuKawai> anyway I have a non packaged install, just wanted a packaged install so it showed up in gnome and got updated with everything else
• 3528[22:20:18] <greycat> No need for a label if you use descriptive LV names.
• 3529[22:20:38] <jhutchins> !java
• 3530[22:20:38] <dpkg> Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged; for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>, <java-package>. replaced-url
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• 3533[22:21:07] <LennyKitty> greycat, do I need to install lvm2 or anything?
• 3534[22:21:09] <jhutchins> RikuKawai: See above.
• 3535[22:21:10] <bibble> cool christyx, just wondered if related to number of active torrents . missmbob recommendation anyway, so should be fine :)
• 3536[22:21:18] <LennyKitty> and its OK even though /home is currently mounted on my system
• 3537[22:21:40] <greycat> editing /etc/fstab in a system that you aren't even booted into yet? yes. that's fine.
• 3538[22:21:49] <RikuKawai> jhutchins: I don't think you understand my question at all
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• 3540[22:21:57] <centrx> RikuKawai: Looks like there is netbeans and MonoDevelop for Java IDE
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• 3543[22:22:28] <RikuKawai> I already have Oracle Java 1.8.0_111
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• 3545[22:23:00] <jhutchins> ,v eclipse
• 3546[22:23:01] <judd> Package: eclipse on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.8.0~rc4-1; jessie: 3.8.1-7; sid: 3.8.1-8; stretch: 3.8.1-10; sid: 3.8.1-10
• 3547[22:23:01] <TomTomTosch> RikuKawai: probably lost interest because everyone downloaded from upstream and used the internal updater anyway. IDEs and stable distros don't mix well.
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• 3552[22:23:49] <jhutchins> RikuKawai: You are correct, I didn't read back far enough.
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• 3554[22:24:17] <LennyKitty> greycat, do I need to install lvm2?
• 3555[22:24:27] <greycat> Probably? I don't know.
• 3556[22:24:29] <LennyKitty> also im chrooted into it
• 3557[22:24:30] <RikuKawai> TomTomTosch: I'm on stretch, it's just as ancient here
• 3558[22:24:30] <LennyKitty> :p
• 3559[22:24:38] <TomTomTosch> RikuKawai: i know.
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• 3562[22:26:32] <jhutchins> RikuKawai: replaced-url
• 3563[22:26:33] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 3575[22:27:52] <jhutchins> I used to use an IDE for web development, they are EXTREMELY complex and difficult to maintain.
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• 3578[22:28:27] <RikuKawai> hey look opened over 4 years ago and still not resolved
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• 3580[22:28:55] <Iridos> well, there's your chance
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• 3584[22:29:53] * centrx inserts statement about how Java causes brain damage and real hackers use ed
• 3585[22:30:05] <greycat> !start an editor war
• 3586[22:30:05] <dpkg> pico sucks!
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• 3588[22:30:58] <jhutchins> I suggest you read through it.
• 3589[22:31:06] <christyx> bibble, missmbob, deluge made it a bit bette, i.e now using around 30-40mo/s out of 100 mo / s total bandwidth, instead of 20mo /s with utorrent
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• 3591[22:31:18] <wonderworld> java plugin on windows destroyed javas reputation
• 3592[22:31:39] <greycat> Java being horrible destroyed java's rep.
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• 3595[22:31:51] <bibble> ah, that's good christyx
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• 3597[22:32:02] <wonderworld> i have seen very good java apps
• 3598[22:32:18] <centrx> I have seen very good BASIC apps
• 3599[22:32:22] <missmbob> christyx: you could edit deluge's settings. maximum connections, upload slots, etc
• 3600[22:32:32] <missmbob> christyx: see if that helps
• 3601[22:32:47] <wonderworld> ok. i hate java as well :)
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• 3603[22:33:38] <RikuKawai> you're welcome to tell my school board to rewrite the entire computer science curriculum
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• 3605[22:34:08] <TomTomTosch> no, java is great for learning OO :P
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• 3608[22:34:25] <greycat> Why would you want to learn OO?
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• 3612[22:35:46] <christyx> missmbob, will do
• 3613[22:36:14] <TomTomTosch> because my boss expects me to do so...
• 3614[22:36:26] <RudeViper> Having some trouble getting themes installed on Debian 8 XFCE
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• 3616[22:37:19] <greycat> OO is one of the greatest scams to come out of the 90s.
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• 3629[22:42:40] <sl4v3> greycat: truth.
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• 3698[23:02:38] <christyx> I've found something
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• 3700[23:03:01] <christyx> By default my modem doesnt allow port forwarding. Basically for every port any tester will say it's closed.
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• 3702[23:03:09] <christyx> Seems like everything goes through uPnP
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• 3704[23:03:19] <christyx> Can this nerf torrent speeds ?
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• 3708[23:04:09] <missmbob> christyx: certainly can
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• 3714[23:06:04] <RudeViper> how do you install new themes to Debian 8 with xfce desktop
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• 3718[23:07:17] <danke> replaced-url
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• 3720[23:07:56] <danke> that line is a bit of a problem on my machines, multiple users means that :0.0 isn't a safe assumption
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• 3722[23:08:49] <danke> it's a simple fix, i've grabbed the source, used debian/rules build to rebuild, installed the resulting deb... seems like it's working alright
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• 3724[23:08:53] <danke> what should i do now?
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• 3726[23:09:06] <greycat> file bug report
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• 3732[23:10:53] <danke> should i make the patch for what's in sid? i think the file has changed since jessie... but a quick scan makes it look like the problem is still there
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• 3734[23:11:31] <greycat> I know absolutely nothing about this package. If the stretch/sid version has already fixed the issue, then filing a bug report probably won't accomplish anything.
• 3735[23:11:43] <greycat> Minor bug fixes tend not to happen to stable.
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• 3737[23:12:18] <danke> yeah, i'm happy with that. i've got a fix i can live with, the package is unlikely to change until stretch i guess
• 3738[23:12:21] <danke> cool. thanks.
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• 3765[23:26:33] <helpwithsqueeze> Hello
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• 3767[23:27:15] <helpwithsqueeze> cant install mysql I get the following error
• 3768[23:27:15] <helpwithsqueeze> replaced-url
• 3769[23:27:21] <helpwithsqueeze> this happened after tried an upgrade
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• 3771[23:27:37] <helpwithsqueeze> i removed mysql because it couldnt stop the service, following a forum instruction,and not it cant be resintalled
• 3772[23:27:44] <helpwithsqueeze> i tried apt-get install -f
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• 3793[23:40:40] <digdilem> helpwithsqueeze, apt-get clean, apt-get autoclean then apt-get remove --purge mysql-client-5.5 mysql-client-core-5.5 mysql-common mysql-server mysql-server-5.5 mysql-server-core-5.5
• 3794[23:40:50] <digdilem> then try reinstalling mysql-server again
• 3795[23:41:05] <digdilem> this is assuming you don't have any databases you want to keep
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• 3803[23:45:11] <helpwithsqueeze> the last step gives me error digdilem
• 3804[23:45:13] <helpwithsqueeze> E: Unable to locate package mysql-client-core-5.5
• 3805[23:45:13] <helpwithsqueeze> E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'mysql-client-core-5.5'
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• 3810[23:48:36] <greycat> ,v mysql-client-core-5.5
• 3811[23:48:37] <judd> No package named 'mysql-client-core-5.5' was found in amd64.
• 3812[23:48:58] <greycat> ,v mysql-client-core-5.6
• 3813[23:49:00] <judd> Package: mysql-client-core-5.6 on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 5.6.30-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 5.6.30-1; sid: 5.6.30-1
• 3814[23:49:28] <digdilem> helpwithsqueeze, sorry, just remove that one or try; apt-get remove --purge mysql-server
• 3815[23:49:51] <zykotick9> digdilem: note "apt-get purge foo" is less typing
• 3816[23:50:09] <helpwithsqueeze> Package 'mysql-server' is not installed, so not removed
• 3817[23:50:09] <helpwithsqueeze> digdilem
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• 3819[23:50:37] <digdilem> i'm not doing very well with this. i blame the brandy.
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• 3821[23:51:16] <greycat> Use apt-cache search to find out what the package names are instead of relying on people in IRC to look them up for you (and get it wrong because none of us are using mysql on squeeze).
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• 3825[23:51:58] <helpwithsqueeze> it is a dependency problem, it requires mysql-client-5.5 and then if i try to install it it requires perl packages,etc...
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• 3829[23:52:36] <greycat> And what version of mysql-client-* Do YOU, yes YOU, have on your squeeze system?
• 3830[23:52:53] <greycat> judd doesn't go that far back
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• 3833[23:53:33] <helpwithsqueeze> I already upgraded to wheezy, I have not mysql, i removed it before upgrading
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• 3835[23:54:09] <greycat> ,v mysql-client
• 3836[23:54:10] <judd> Package: mysql-client on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.5.47-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.5.50-0+deb8u1; wheezy-security: 5.5.52-0+deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.5.52-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.5.53-0+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 5.6.30-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 5.6.30-1; sid: 5.6.30-1; sid: 5.7.16-1
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• 3838[23:54:59] <greycat> ,v mysql-client-5.5
• 3839[23:55:00] <judd> Package: mysql-client-5.5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.5.47-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.5.50-0+deb8u1; wheezy-security: 5.5.52-0+deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.5.52-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.5.53-0+deb8u1
• 3840[23:55:04] <greycat> Wheezy should have it.
• 3841[23:55:36] <greycat> Sounds to me like you aren't actually on wheezy.
• 3842[23:56:01] <helpwithsqueeze> I'm, i removed it
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• 3844[23:56:35] <greycat> If you're fully on wheezy and you don't have any broken shit, then you should be able to install it.
• 3845[23:56:51] <helpwithsqueeze> root@server:/home/castellanos# lsb_release -a
• 3846[23:56:51] <helpwithsqueeze> No LSB modules are available.
• 3847[23:56:51] <helpwithsqueeze> Distributor ID: Debian
• 3848[23:56:51] <helpwithsqueeze> Description: Debian GNU/Linux 7.11 (wheezy)
• 3849[23:56:51] <helpwithsqueeze> Release: 7.11
• 3850[23:56:51] *** helpwithsqueeze was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
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• 3852[23:57:02] <helpwithsqueeze> sorry
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• 3854[23:57:22] <helpwithsqueeze> if i have any broken shit, can i fix it easily?
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• 3856[23:58:01] <greycat> Do you get anything from "apt-get -f install" or "dpkg --configure -a"?
• 3857[23:58:59] <helpwithsqueeze> no
• 3858[23:58:59] <helpwithsqueeze> replaced-url
• 3859[23:59:44] <TomTomTosch> can you show us the command and output of the thing that actually threw an error?
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