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2 [00:01:28] <nbags> furseiso: just use mount? or is there some extra feature you are after?
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7 [00:02:37] <furseiso> Do you mean mount as a user?
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12 [00:04:26] <furseiso> If so, thanks.
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18 [00:04:55] <nbags> furseiso: try udisksctl loop-setup -r -f /path/to/file.iso
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31 [00:10:51] <furseiso> udisksctl loop-setup -r -f debian-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso
32 [00:11:09] <furseiso> did this, so where is the data?
33 [00:11:13] <furseiso> ...
34 [00:11:19] <nbags> should be in /media
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38 [00:12:08] <furseiso> no
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40 [00:12:41] <nbags> furseiso: u on a desktop system?
41 [00:13:03] <nbags> it worked for me under gnome
42 [00:13:07] <furseiso> yes
43 [00:13:21] <furseiso> icewm
44 [00:14:09] <nbags> ok. i have udisksd and gvfs-udisks2-volume-monitor running, so one of them must be handling it
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53 [00:17:53] <furseiso> got that two, too.
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56 [00:18:40] <nbags> furseiso: do normal usb drives and stuff work?
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66 [00:20:23] <Hello71> shouldn't it be in /run/media
67 [00:20:57] <nbags> you could try a udisksctl mount /dev/loop<something> afterwards
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80 [00:24:59] <furseiso> No way. Need to leave, thx.
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90 [00:27:23] <emilsedgh> Guys I did a dist-upgrade and now when I run queries against my postgres I get this error:
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92 [00:27:25] <emilsedgh> could not access file "$libdir/postgis-2.2": No such file or directory
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95 [00:27:54] <emilsedgh> I read that the solution is running this: ALTER EXTENSION postgis UPDATE TO '2.2.2';
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97 [00:28:06] <emilsedgh> but I get this in response: version "2.2.2" of extension "postgis" is already installed
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103 [00:30:56] <TomTomTo1> what distro are you using? what version before and after the dist-upgrade?
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109 [00:35:37] <k_j> hi
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112 [00:36:29] <k_j> dpkg installs a local package without downloading any dependencies, while apt-get does, on the other hand apt-get requires a package to be in a repository
113 [00:36:29] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, k_j
114 [00:37:01] <emilsedgh> TomTomTo1: I was on Debian sid. I still am.
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116 [00:37:30] <k_j> is there a way to install a local package with all its dependencies from the repository apt-get would resolve the dependencies from
117 [00:38:26] <TomTomTo1> !tell emilsedgh about debian-next
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120 [00:38:48] <TomTomTo1> emilsedgh: then you might get better help in the right channel ^
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122 [00:39:05] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell k_j -about gdebi
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124 [00:39:20] <k_j> jmcnaught, but is gdbe an official tool?
125 [00:39:27] <k_j> gdebi
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127 [00:39:33] <emilsedgh> thanks TomTomTo1
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131 [00:41:08] <jmcnaught> k_j: depends on what you mean by official. it's not part of the apt or dpkg projects, but it is installed by default for desktop environments using packagekit
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137 [00:43:59] <Asulil> hi all
138 [00:44:00] <GeMiNniS> bye
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141 [00:44:47] <Asulil> does anyone know how do get cloack unaffiliated?
142 [00:45:00] <somiaj> Asulil: go ask in #freenode about cloaks
143 [00:45:49] <Asulil> somiaj: hi, no answer from there
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145 [00:46:41] <somiaj> Asulil: you will have to find a staff member to talk about cloaks. #freenode is the place to be
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179 [01:00:15] <stew> Asulil: "/stats p" lists an on-call staff member you can /msg
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185 [01:00:58] <Asulil> sew: I don't get you
186 [01:01:08] <Asulil> stew: I don't get you
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188 [01:01:50] <stew> Asulil: "/stats p" is how you would ask the server to list the currently on-call staff members. Currently there is one staff member listed with the nick "zomble"
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190 [01:02:14] <stew> Asulil: so you should be able to /msg zomble in order to get help if you aren't getting help in #freenode
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192 [01:03:15] <Asulil> stew: I am sorry but I don't know how to ask "zomble"?
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200 [01:07:23] <pingfloyd> Asulil: just needs to be someone that's part of freenode staff
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202 [01:07:42] <pingfloyd> Asulil: they should have a cloak showing that they are staff
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232 [01:20:13] <Asulil> pingfloyd, stew: thank you
233 [01:21:01] <Asulil> stew: if I change my nickname, I'll keep loacked though?
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237 [01:21:57] <Asulil> *cloacked
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301 [02:10:54] <greyeax> is it possible to change kernel config without completely building a new kernel from source in debian?
302 [02:11:53] <somiaj> greyeax: what do you need to change? It is possible to recompile just a module I think, but usually you have to re compile the whole kernel
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323 [02:24:42] <ws2k3> is it possible to check if my cd tray is open or not?
324 [02:25:21] <dvs> ws2k3, try to mount it?
325 [02:25:36] <somiaj> I know the command 'eject' will open it, maybe there is a key there that can check if it is open/closed
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328 [02:27:52] <greyeax> somiaj: i'm trying to install grsec
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330 [02:28:05] <greyeax> i used the grsec kernel package in backports, but it's missing a config option that i want
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332 [02:28:16] <greyeax> i'd like to just enable the one, but if i have to i'll build from source
333 [02:28:28] <somiaj> you'll have to build from source I belive
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335 [02:31:00] <somiaj> !kernel recompile
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339 [02:32:08] <observation192_> Can a linux get v1ruses?
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344 [02:32:50] <somiaj> !kernel handbook
345 [02:32:50] <am_> hi all
346 [02:32:50] <dpkg> The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook replaced-url
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351 [02:33:14] <somiaj> observation192_: yes, though security concerns in linux are rarely viruses (since most the ones out there won't hurt linux)
352 [02:33:37] <observation192_> somiaj: Should I put an antiviral on my linux?
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356 [02:35:41] <somiaj> observation192_: there really isn't one like you think for windows. Security concerns in linux are quite different than windows in this regard.
357 [02:35:54] <somiaj> observation192_: you should run debian stable and keep upto date on all the security fixes.
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359 [02:36:53] <somiaj> observation192_: i.e. virus can affect linux, but since linux is so varried (so many different distros, software, kernels, etc) usually they only affect a very certain setup which gets fixed once it is known.
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361 [02:37:13] <somiaj> observation192_: so there just aren't people writting viruses for windows like they do for windows.
362 [02:37:55] <observation192_> somiaj: Okay thanks
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370 [02:41:19] <am_> hii all
371 [02:41:30] <observation192_> Sup
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377 [02:43:52] <am_> can you please tell how to update the grub. I reinstalled the grum from ubuntu usb. But I can't access to debian. I am now on ubuntu usb and I get this result: replaced-url
378 [02:44:07] <am_> does anyone know how to fix it? thanks
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380 [02:45:24] <somiaj> am_: you should ask ubuntu about how to get their grub to boot other distros.
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385 [02:45:55] <am_> somiaj: I think you didn't understand
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387 [02:46:10] <am_> somiaj: I am using debian not ubuntu
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391 [02:46:56] <somiaj> am_: it sounds like you are booted up on a ubuntu usb using their grub.
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393 [02:47:56] <am_> somiaj: I used ubuntu live usb to reinstall the grub for my debian partition. But I can't boot on debian
394 [02:48:31] <somiaj> it looks like you are not using debian, did you create a chroot and chroot into your debian install and use the debian grub
395 [02:48:35] <somiaj> replaced-url
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400 [02:52:02] <am_> somiaj: yes I did
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404 [02:52:41] <somiaj> well everything in that paste you gave says you are in the ubuntu live cd. your username/hostname is ubuntu@ubuntu, the files in /boot are not debian kernels.
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406 [02:53:03] <somiaj> make sure you correctly mount --bind proc, dev, sys into your debian install and chroot into it and run the debian grub
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413 [02:54:31] <somiaj> !fixmbr
414 [02:54:31] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
415 [02:54:42] <somiaj> am_: thouse basic instructions should work from the ubuntu live image
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418 [02:56:08] <am_> somiaj: yes I did
419 [02:56:13] <am_> somiaj: replaced-url
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421 [02:57:03] <somiaj> am_: you may want to update grub inside the chroot too
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423 [02:58:12] <am_> somiaj: what is the command line? Itried alias 'grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg' but it doesn't work
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426 [02:58:34] <somiaj> am_: update-grub I think is the command. This should run the scripts to build the grub menu
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430 [02:59:35] <am_> somiaj: I did many time update-grub, it says : /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of `/cow'.
431 [03:00:08] <am_> somiaj: I don't understand why.
432 [03:00:26] <somiaj> am_: from inside the chroot? The paste you gave me which gave you that error was due to running that command?
433 [03:00:51] <somiaj> am_: do you know if you use efi or legacy boot?
434 [03:01:12] <am_> somiaj: ok, I'll try again right now, I'll let you know, brb
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445 [03:07:57] <am_> somiaj: funny, now update-grub works, I'll reboot to see, brb
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449 [03:10:40] <zitttyx> Have you eaten ground beef recently? Ground beef is the result of everything outside of the cow's bones (including nerves) being ground up. Ground beef often contains prions (misfolded proteins) which due to mammalic protein metabolism act virally and will cause you to come down with Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) where your brain slowly decays due to holes forming in your brain.
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457 [03:14:05] <petemc> thats different spam
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480 [03:38:46] <tharkun> Wow, spam is getting more creative this days. Still the previous statement has some missinformation on it.
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494 [03:51:35] <greyeax> is there a package i need in order to do make nconfig?
495 [03:51:38] <greyeax> like an ncurses package?
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510 [03:57:59] <missmbob> greyeax: libncurses5-dev
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645 [05:45:18] <smile123> hello,
646 [05:45:21] <smile123> i have usb wifi TP-LINK TL-WN821N, and install firmware-atheros_0.43_all.deb but wifi do not start
647 [05:45:23] <smile123> in lsusb find tp-link ar9170
648 [05:45:25] <smile123> how can fix this problem???
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660 [06:04:03] <missmbob> my first bet is jessie-backports. you're using something really ancient
661 [06:04:11] <missmbob> damn
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689 [06:27:55] <Resilience> hello to everyone,I am going to buy a new laptop (mine is old) and I want advice on running deian from a SSD, is there anything different from running it from an HD? does it matter be it SATA/PCIe or M.2?
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708 [06:40:36] <LostSoul> Hi
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711 [06:41:28] <shrines> hey
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713 [06:41:31] <LostSoul> I know issuse is not Debian related but seems that guys from suse can't help me. I had strange issuse yesterday, I tried to dd bootable pendrive to restora partition table and use it again as 8GB pendrive
714 [06:41:54] <LostSoul> I did dd and after that tried fdisk and gparted
715 [06:41:56] <LostSoul> replaced-url
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717 [06:43:06] <LostSoul> I was not able to create table or rather linux didn't see it. What was funnier that dd if=/dev/zero of=/my/dev made device "smaller" like when I set count or bs or both pendrive in fdisk was seen as for example 5kb
718 [06:43:36] <LostSoul> Today I put it in other laptop and there indeed was no partition on pendrive, I used fdisk and it's created
719 [06:43:47] <LostSoul> But my question is .. what could have gone wrong?
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721 [06:45:30] <shrines> sometimes ive found running partprobe / kpartx is required after making partition changes on a device already seen by linux
722 [06:45:43] <shrines> to get the kernel to re-read and re-load the partition table live on the device into memory
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724 [06:46:41] <shrines> if the device is in use, linux/fdisk can write to the partition table of the actual disk, but wont automatically re-read that new part table into mem
725 [06:46:52] <shrines> my experience is mainly with rhel 5/6 on that
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729 [06:48:11] <shrines> so you can get fdisk to delete a live/inuse partition table, but linux will continue to use the partition table in memory (thankfully) untill you either reboot, or tell it to reload the part table
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735 [06:50:23] <LostSoul> How can I tell him to reload?
736 [06:50:30] <LostSoul> Because it seems it might be the case?
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738 [06:50:56] <LostSoul> I've met such issue for the first time
739 [06:51:12] <LostSoul> Also shrines, any idea why dd made pendrive "smaller"?
740 [06:51:41] <LostSoul> I was alway using dd with if + of + bs=1 count=2048 or something similar but it never made my "disk" smaller
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742 [06:52:20] <shrines> partprobe will tell linux to reload the partition table on a device into memory; after running it you can be sure that when you run a `fdisk -l` it should be what is actually on the device
743 [06:52:43] <shrines> kpartx can be used to tell linux to create /dev/sdbX partition device files in the case that they arnt automatically created
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745 [06:53:04] <shrines> are you able to replicate the issue /
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748 [06:53:59] <LostSoul> I will try today
749 [06:54:09] <LostSoul> Either with same or second pendrive
750 [06:54:20] <LostSoul> Will be around later today (in ~10H)?
751 [06:54:24] <LostSoul> Or tomorrow
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753 [06:54:32] <LostSoul> As I'm really willing to learn from this
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806 [07:44:27] <a0k> hello
807 [07:44:36] <a0k> Anyone active here? need quick help
808 [07:44:38] <mutante> !ask
809 [07:44:39] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
810 [07:44:45] <a0k> Okay
811 [07:45:00] <a0k> so basically, i just measured my cock size.. and its wayy below average... any tips?
812 [07:45:27] <mutante> a0k: buy a fancy car
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839 [08:12:41] <LostSoul> LOL
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868 [08:49:54] <paradx> hi, when i connect my laptop to my pc (HDMI) i get rows of refreshing chunks or something, so that you see vertical lines on the screen where the upper picture doesn't match the rest of the picture. I'm using the nouveau driver on the g750M and the cpu grapic runs the i915.ko driver for intel graphics. Anybody any idea how to get a pretty picture?
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870 [08:50:15] <paradx> *mean TV not pc
871 [08:51:03] <paradx> I also tried the nvidia driver but my desktop manager won't start anymore.
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875 [08:56:02] <Resilience> hello to everyone,I am going to buy a new laptop (mine is old) and I want advice on running debian from a SSD, is there anything different from running it from an HD? does it matter be it SATA/PCIe or M.2?
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880 [08:58:46] <dutchfish> Resilience, you might ask #hardware, in short probably not, but think what gpu you want in it and read about debian install wiki on the new hw
881 [08:59:18] <Resilience> dutchfish, is it form me? or for paradx ?
882 [08:59:27] <paradx> no nvidia shit if you ask me (see above :P)
883 [08:59:50] <dutchfish> Resilience, for you
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885 [09:00:56] <Resilience> dutchfish, what is related in the GPU to SSD's?
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887 [09:02:01] <paradx> I think none but if you buy a new laptop thats something to consider since graphics drivers are a pain in the ass
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889 [09:02:17] <dutchfish> Resilience, things as, cache, swap etc depending on how much memory it has, no, gpu is not related to your M.2 question, but M.2 works out of the box in general, not so for the gpu, hence i hinted that
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891 [09:03:07] <dutchfish> paradx, true
892 [09:03:20] <Resilience> dutchfish, I don't think #hardware be the channel right for asing questions about running debian on an SSD...
893 [09:03:52] <Resilience> paradx, I try to avoid nvidia as much as I can, it does not work wirh free software
894 [09:03:59] <dutchfish> Resilience, well, it depends on the current guys in there, they where always very helpfull to me, be patient
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897 [09:05:39] <Resilience> dutchfish, a SSD (a? an?) will work with just plugging it, but, what about the durability? the log filles, etc, do I have to make something different than with a HD? do I have to log it to RAM ant then wirte to disk when powering off?
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901 [09:06:28] <dutchfish> Resilience, as i said as hint, delve into swap, cache and writeouts, it is on the debian wiki
902 [09:06:38] <somiaj> Resilience: depends on the sdd, but most modern one don't have the durability concern they originally had.
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904 [09:07:25] <somiaj> there are some optimizations you can do with trim if needed
905 [09:07:43] <somiaj> and other file system options
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907 [09:08:25] <paradx> @Resilience I know - from experience
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910 [09:09:02] <Resilience> somiaj, but these are optimizations, but I can install a debian system on an SSD as if was a HD, an d expecto to have more or less the same life and durability, right?
911 [09:09:25] <lacrimosa> hi everyone
912 [09:09:37] <somiaj> yea, Im' running on an ssd right now. For the most part to the os there is no difference from a regular sata harddrive.
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914 [09:09:47] <spectral_> anyone on lxqt?
915 [09:09:48] <paradx> just faster :P
916 [09:09:50] <Resilience> dutchfish, on the debian wiki? and what do I search for?
917 [09:10:21] <dutchfish> Resilience, google fu, replaced-url
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919 [09:11:03] <Resilience> somiaj, ok, SSD's are something new for me, and new laptops seem to have "only" SSds (it si nor true, I know), so logging, swap and anything else won't harm my SSD, right?
920 [09:11:37] <dutchfish> Resilience, some of the info is quiet old, as somiaj said, most modern drives probably won't need much off it
921 [09:11:52] <somiaj> Resilience: no more/less than having say windows on it. Though as I said there are some optimizations that can help the longevity of the ssd, though these are not needed that badly on most modern ssds
922 [09:12:45] <Resilience> somiaj, I suppose is all in the wiki as dutchfish said
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924 [09:12:56] <Resilience> dutchfish, , somiaj thanks for the info
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926 [09:15:06] <somiaj> Resilience: note, one thing I ran into on an laptop. It was a dell where the ssd was configured by the firmware to be in a combo with a regular hhd, the firmware made running debian from just the ssd hard as it was designed to be optimized by some windows driver to put the most needed files on the ssd and keep the bulk of files on the main hdd
927 [09:15:37] <somiaj> Resilience: this wasn't an issue with the ssd it was just the firmware on the laptop. So as long as it is a dedicated ssd you shouldn't have to worry, I would just be careful with the hybrid options they offered for a while.
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929 [09:16:46] <dutchfish> somiaj, the intel firmware drivers for that are now in the latest kernels
930 [09:17:04] <somiaj> dutchfish: oh nice. I just gave up on having an ssd on that laptop.
931 [09:17:08] <Resilience> somiaj, I have never been a fan of hybrid SSD/HD combos
932 [09:17:16] <dutchfish> somiaj, yep, that was a pita back then
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937 [09:20:55] <dutchfish> Resilience, you can circumvent alot of issues with enough memory, you don need to go wild on it, but more mem will definitely help to prevent eccesive swapping and forced writeouts by alot, hence saving your ssd from wearing out prematurely, some brwoser are known to do alot of cache writes, fyi
938 [09:21:31] <jarvis> help
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940 [09:22:18] <Resilience> dutchfish, mmm I think that I don't touch the cache (how can I know it), and what browser do you refer to?
941 [09:23:01] <dutchfish> Resilience, almost all browsers, but google has bulks of info about that, it is a bit offtopic in here
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943 [09:23:45] <dutchfish> Resilience, get enough memory and you do fine, in general
944 [09:24:21] <dutchfish> Resilience, as a ballpark figure, i tend to go for 8/16GB
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946 [09:24:39] <dutchfish> Resilience, but it totally depends on your workload
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948 [09:25:00] <dutchfish> Resilience, since mem is not that expensive ......
949 [09:25:36] <dutchfish> Resilience, and i was talking a workstation setup for Debian Linux
950 [09:25:58] <dutchfish> Resilience, good luck
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954 [09:27:10] <mar77i> what kind of "superfluous" files can a system upgrade leave lying around? how would I go about looking for them?
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956 [09:27:39] <mar77i> other than what autoremove removes as packages, that is.
957 [09:28:07] <dutchfish> mar77i, well, first check if apt/dpkg is on par (packagemanager)
958 [09:28:16] <Resilience> dutfthans for all
959 [09:28:33] <mar77i> how "on par"?
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964 [09:29:19] <dutchfish> mar77i, aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade | look if it reports errors (i asuming you are on Debian stable)
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966 [09:30:11] <mar77i> ...it doesn't.
967 [09:30:32] <dutchfish> mar77i, is this a server setup?
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970 [09:31:24] <mar77i> it's my partner's laptop.
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972 [09:32:01] <dutchfish> mar77i, ok, at least the packagemanager is fine, have you checked the log files?
973 [09:32:33] <rhizome> as a rule it doesn't really leave superfluous files laying around
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975 [09:32:49] <dutchfish> rhizome, partly true, yes
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977 [09:33:27] <rhizome> almost certainly nothing that needs finding
978 [09:33:32] <dutchfish> rhizome, there are niche cases however, it won't
979 [09:34:04] <dutchfish> rhizome, specially on a wifi connection
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982 [09:35:30] <dutchfish> mar77i, check your log files, if nothing blatently pops out you are good to go
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984 [09:36:31] <mar77i> ok
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990 [09:40:09] <dutchfish> mar77i, you can also check `journalctl` and `systemctl status` which gives a clue about current status and boot (read the debian wiki about it)
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994 [09:42:41] <pingfloyd> mar77i: you mean like residual config from packages that were removed in the process?
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1003 [09:48:15] <mar77i> pingfloyd: that too, I guess?
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1008 [09:49:16] <mar77i> actually I'm still investigating an error I saw during boot, I'll check back once it's sorted out
1009 [09:49:17] <pingfloyd> mar77i: dpkg -l | grep '^rc' | awk '{print $2}' | xargs sudo apt-get purge
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1011 [09:49:49] <dutchfish> warning, dont purge if you have manually configured alot of config files, unless you have backups of that system
1012 [09:49:49] <pingfloyd> mar77i: that will remove all residual configuration
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1015 [09:50:27] <pingfloyd> mar77i: to just check it: dpkg -l | grep '^rc'
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1017 [09:51:26] <mar77i> yup, there are a few
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1019 [09:51:37] <pingfloyd> personally, I wouldn't worry too much about residual config, they don't take much space
1020 [09:51:49] <dutchfish> pingfloyd, true
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1025 [09:52:28] <dutchfish> pingfloyd, i prefer to leave them, unless space is a tight pants
1026 [09:53:03] <pingfloyd> if you've done a lot of custom system-wide configuration, it's better to keep them around (except maybe on a case by case basis) as they may come in handy down the road.
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1028 [09:53:06] <dutchfish> pingfloyd, they saved my xxx quiet a few times
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1033 [09:54:08] <dutchfish> pingfloyd, but a good backup policy is better
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1035 [09:54:12] <mar77i> I'll look into that.
1036 [09:54:22] <pingfloyd> should always have backups, period.
1037 [09:54:29] * dutchfish nods
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1045 [09:55:58] <pingfloyd> even a shitty backup strategy is better than no backup, because often you can piece things together in spite of it with minimal loss
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1048 [09:56:19] <dutchfish> pingfloyd, i rest my case ;)
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1060 [09:58:52] <pingfloyd> the only reason I say that, is because I think a lot of people put it off because of the difficulty to have a really good one sometimes
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1083 [10:20:05] <mar77i> ugh. people on the internet actually recommend using a symlink ln -s /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libudev.so.1 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libudev.so.0 ...
1084 [10:21:26] <mar77i> can I install a package that contains that file in a genuine way?
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1090 [10:22:51] <pingfloyd> mar77i: why are they recommending that? Usually you shouldn't have to worry about that.
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1093 [10:24:34] <mar77i> yeah. partner needs vmware horizon client. and there was that boot message that reported that one of the tools there doesn't run. I investigated the error; error while loading shared libraries: libudev.so.0
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1095 [10:26:35] <mar77i> usually I expect bad things to happen so version bumps happen for a reason. otoh, apt-file doesn't return a result for me.
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1099 [10:28:38] <AxldenieD> Hello
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1107 [10:31:57] <pingfloyd> mar77i: usually that's not a good idea
1108 [10:32:09] <pingfloyd> mar77i: there can be major differences between major versions
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1111 [10:33:02] <pingfloyd> like major ABI changes
1112 [10:33:42] <kevr> Hello. I'm trying to setup docker-engine on stretch, but cgroupfs-mount gives me an error about cgroupfs-mount failing to start
1113 [10:33:45] <kevr> but no real information
1114 [10:34:19] <dutchfish> mar77i, you probably want 1.6.5, if you are on a newer debian system, fyi
1115 [10:34:54] <dutchfish> mar77i, libudev.so.1.6.5
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1120 [10:36:50] <kevr> now it's causing issues during any apt interaction
1121 [10:37:49] <mar77i> I think this appears to work, until partner actually tries to use usb redirection, at least.
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1124 [10:38:08] <mar77i> thanks, in any case. :)
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1127 [10:40:56] <stephanie92> how safe is it to use ntp these days?
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1129 [10:41:20] <stephanie92> Wanted to install ntp on a server, but would rather not jeopardize security
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1141 [10:46:47] <dutchfish> stephanie92, i use dedicated ntp boxes just for that in an dmz zone
1142 [10:47:05] <stephanie92> dutchfish: :O okay
1143 [10:47:14] <dutchfish> stephanie92, but it all depends on your security concerns
1144 [10:48:10] <stephanie92> dutchfish: okay, thanks
1145 [10:48:10] <dutchfish> stephanie92, in a datacentre, use trusted cherrypciked ntp servers, most of them are serviced by qualified people
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1147 [10:48:19] <stephanie92> yeah
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1154 [10:50:42] <dutchfish> stephanie92, also delve in chrony or ntp security on the time list, if intrested
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1157 [10:51:19] <dutchfish> stephanie92, ntp works fine but has its caveats
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1160 [10:52:33] <stephanie92> dutchfish: ya, sounds good ;)
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1192 [11:05:35] <foocraft> is there any way to reinstall the gnome-desktop task?
1193 [11:05:54] <foocraft> I seemed to have misconfigured my graphical.target setup(or whatever else can cause gdm not to start automatically on startup)
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1195 [11:06:12] <foocraft> systemctl enable gdm doesn't work as well
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1198 [11:07:04] <deego> foocraft: tasksel
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1200 [11:07:14] <foocraft> tasksel install gnome-desktop
1201 [11:07:21] <foocraft> doesn't seem to cut it either
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1207 [11:09:02] <nbags> foocraft: do those commands error?
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1209 [11:09:21] <nbags> what about systemctl enable display-manager
1210 [11:09:39] <nbags> or apt-get install --reinstall gdm
1211 [11:09:44] <nbags> or dpkg-reconfigure gdm
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1219 [11:12:50] <foocraft> they don't error, they simply don't cause gdm to start on startup
1220 [11:12:54] <foocraft> hmm, let me try this
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1222 [11:13:27] <foocraft> there's no such unit, systemctl says
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1225 [11:14:13] <foocraft> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm3
1226 [11:14:13] <foocraft> gdm.service is not active, cannot reload.
1227 [11:14:13] <foocraft> invoke-rc.d: initscript gdm3, action "reload" failed.
1228 [11:14:25] <foocraft> I had to systemctl start gdm
1229 [11:15:43] <foocraft> maybe I should try dpkg-reconfigure gnome-desktop?
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1265 [11:38:12] <pdo_fn14> whats? is't true you're discontinue virtualbox security bugfix for stable version?.
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1293 [11:47:47] <anddam> hello
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1295 [11:48:39] <anddam> how can I remount root partition read-only? 'sudo mount --verbose -o remount,ro /' says just 'mount: / is busy'
1296 [11:49:38] <anddam> just in order to avoid an XY problem: I want to remount ro in order to check the ext4 fs
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1304 [11:55:29] <jelly> anddam: since you have to reboot after the fsck anyway, why not switch to single-user first
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1311 [11:56:21] <jelly> dunno what --verbose does, but mount -n -o remount,ro / ought to work
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1313 [11:56:39] <jelly> and -n is basically just cosmetics
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1315 [11:58:35] <anddam> jelly: oh I didn't even notice I had tried verbose
1316 [11:58:56] <anddam> jelly: it's a headless NUC I have on the desktop, along with my laptop, so I'd prefer a "live" way
1317 [11:59:11] <anddam> why is rebooting after fsck necessary?
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1328 [12:06:43] <anddam> jelly: I tried verbose hoping to get more info about what was keeping the device busy
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1331 [12:07:28] <jelly> fsck works on contents of the filesystem directly, and kernel's notion of what's on disk will not be correct if fsck does ANY changes
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1335 [12:08:27] <jelly> so remounting back to rw isn't possible (or maybe just isn't sane) without an unmount first
1336 [12:08:39] <mrrhq> You can't remount / while you're using it, I think.
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1338 [12:08:57] <mrrhq> If you do "lsof /", you'll see why.
1339 [12:09:00] <anddam> similar to the way partprobe is used to reload devices partition tables after they have been modified, right?
1340 [12:09:18] <anddam> mrrhq: that's what I tried, ofc I got *plenty* of entries
1341 [12:09:29] <anddam> can I check without modification?
1342 [12:09:48] <jelly> mrrhq: you're always using it. And it works, only, apparently, sometimes it does not
1343 [12:09:49] <anddam> so if fsck find something should be corrected I'll plug in a monitor and go single mode
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1347 [12:10:32] <anddam> -n seems to be the proper option, not sure if it'll accept a rw system
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1349 [12:10:35] <jelly> anddam: if your root fs is on LVM, and you have some free space in that GVG, you can do a snapshot and fsck that.
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1351 [12:11:20] <jelly> I have no idea which circumstances make mount not want to remount,ro /
1352 [12:11:27] <mrrhq> So what problem are you really trying to solve? Do you want it to perminantly stay read-only?
1353 [12:11:32] <anddam> it's clean, apart 'Warning: skipping journal recovery because doing a read-only filesystem check.'
1354 [12:11:50] <jelly> that's fine
1355 [12:11:56] <jelly> and expected
1356 [12:12:05] <mrrhq> Oh okay, sorry. I just read above.
1357 [12:12:17] <anddam> mrrhq: no I just had a power loss and the NUC isn't attached to an UPS
1358 [12:12:37] <anddam> so I thought checking was a good operation to perform
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1360 [12:12:54] <mrrhq> You'll want to boot into live debian, and use fsck from there. That's all I'll say. :p
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1362 [12:13:15] <jelly> anddam: so you want to do a fsck because.. you saw a warning given by fsck at boot? :-)
1363 [12:13:34] <anddam> jelly: no
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1365 [12:13:42] <jelly> anddam: when did 'Warning: skipping journal recovery because doing a read-only filesystem check.' happen then?
1366 [12:13:42] <anddam> also how would I check that on a headless box, journalctl?
1367 [12:13:57] <mrrhq> He said he wanted to check the filesystem in case.
1368 [12:14:02] <anddam> jelly: when I just manually checked sudo fsck -n /
1369 [12:14:13] <jelly> aight
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1371 [12:14:33] <anddam> a few lines up in the scrollback
1372 [12:14:36] <kevr> how can i fix a post/pre install error on apt-get thats stopping me from doing anything with apt?
1373 [12:14:37] <jelly> so it's clean
1374 [12:14:44] <anddam> ok, thanks for the info
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1376 [12:15:07] <anddam> kevr: I'd start pasting the error
1377 [12:15:20] <mrrhq> journalctl -xb and using / to search works best for me.
1378 [12:15:31] <mrrhq> At least systemd helps keep logs in one place.
1379 [12:15:40] <jelly> anddam: does "mount" say / is mounted rw now?
1380 [12:16:34] <jelly> kevr: it depends. For a start,
1381 [12:16:39] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
1382 [12:16:40] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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1386 [12:17:55] <anddam> jelly: yes it does, "on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered)"
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1389 [12:18:38] <jelly> good, so the remount actually did not work
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1391 [12:19:06] <anddam> jelly: it did not
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1393 [12:19:15] <anddam> I always got the "is busy" error
1394 [12:19:36] <anddam> I remember a long time ago I used to remount,ro root, and you suggested it should have gone through as well
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1396 [12:20:02] <anddam> I blame systemd
1397 [12:20:06] <anddam> for no particular reason
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1402 [12:22:58] <gebruiker> what is the most valueable programming language to contribute to debian? I think perl because it is in the base install and bash for sripting for packageing. Thoughts?
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1408 [12:24:30] <mrrhq> You mean what software written in whatever language should be contributed to Debian?
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1411 [12:24:38] <mrrhq> Anything with compatible libs, probably.
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1414 [12:27:02] <anddam> meh, "perl" and "most valuable" in the same sentence? I don't know
1415 [12:27:13] <anddam> (flame war arises)
1416 [12:27:21] <anddam> ;-)
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1421 [12:29:30] <mrrhq> Debian requires libraries for C, Python, Perl, Bash, sh/dash, not sure about C++, but I think so.
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1423 [12:30:23] <pingfloyd> gebruiker: I'd say so. apt-cache rdepends perl | wc -l
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1426 [12:30:58] <mrrhq> pingfloyd: Haha, yes. I wondered if I forgot anything.
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1429 [12:31:14] <pingfloyd> though python comes out with a slightly higher count
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1431 [12:31:34] <pingfloyd> but it's not really the most accurate assessment, but it gives some ballpark idea
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1435 [12:33:40] <mrrhq> Python 2, but not Python 3.
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1439 [12:34:56] <mrrhq> There's also like 3 different C++ libs: libc++, libcpp, and libstdc++
1440 [12:35:06] <mrrhq> I think libc++ is not a required one.
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1442 [12:35:20] <pingfloyd> also perl6 is practically a new language in a way from perl5
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1445 [12:36:53] <mrrhq> Nvm, it's libstdc++
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1447 [12:37:07] <pingfloyd> but I think it's going to be a long while before it is anywhere near as pervasiveness as 5
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1449 [12:40:30] <mrrhq> I think scripting languages tend to have a more flexible and changing syntax, comparted to most compiled languages. I've noticed that.
1450 [12:40:40] <mrrhq> *compared
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1503 [13:27:56] <elli> hi, how install Pantheon 0.4 for debian
1504 [13:28:05] <elli> pls help :)
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1507 [13:28:20] <elli> Pantheon 0.4 new elementary loki
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1511 [13:28:35] <elli> debina 8.6
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1514 [13:31:15] <cypher__> hi
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1600 [14:07:17] <polx> China
1601 [14:07:28] <polx> LVY
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1608 [14:09:54] <ksk> hey guys. Im kind of getting insane trying to teach my grub (via grubreboot) to choose the right (sub)entry. I read the internets about using a "$mainentry>$subentry" syntax, so I tried things like "0>3" (first entry visible(which opens a menu) and then the 4th entry from the top in that menu
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1611 [14:10:42] <ksk> ). But I end up choosing the 4h entry in the mainmenu, like memcheck. Am I doing it wrong?
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1614 [14:11:41] <cybrNaut> grub drives me apeshit
1615 [14:11:56] <ksk> I used to understand the /etc/grub.d/10_linux output, but this kind of differs from what I see in the real grub-menu on bootup.
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1617 [14:12:14] * cybrNaut will wait for grub to evolve more before trying anything fancy
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1620 [14:12:38] <ksk> booting the "right" kernel is not that fancy :P
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1624 [14:13:34] <cybrNaut> if the (fragile) grub setup process finds all the boot volumes, I have been able to change the default
1625 [14:13:55] <cybrNaut> apart from that it's often a disaster
1626 [14:15:24] <cybrNaut> at one point I fucked the grub menu up and had to boot grub from an external disk, only to direct it manually to boot an internal volume every bootup
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1637 [14:24:02] <ksk> you are doing it wrong probably ;)
1638 [14:24:14] <ksk> we use it in production, I just did not dig it..
1639 [14:24:35] <JyZyXEL> is it possible to have unattended-upgrades email you when a security update requires some part of the system to restart?
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1644 [14:25:54] <ksk> JyZyXEL: there was a tool in some debian-goodies package, checkrestart if I recall correctly, that could check for needed restart (but not just for security)
1645 [14:26:16] <ksk> dunno if theres ready to use scripted foo around it - or if it already has wanted feature
1646 [14:26:22] <danke> needrestart too i think
1647 [14:26:38] <JyZyXEL> too? there are two toold?
1648 [14:26:42] <JyZyXEL> tools*
1649 [14:26:58] <danke> replaced-url
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1651 [14:27:26] <JyZyXEL> i've used needrstart for years
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1653 [14:27:40] <danke> it seems like apt upgrade seems to run needrestart after it's done
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1655 [14:28:02] <JyZyXEL> do you get email about that with unattended-upgrades?
1656 [14:28:03] <danke> at least i get notification of what needs restarting without having to manually run needrestart
1657 [14:28:08] <danke> not sure how that works...
1658 [14:28:27] <danke> i haven't setup unattended upgrades, sorry
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1661 [14:29:26] <JyZyXEL> it's pretty irresponsible not having it
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1664 [14:30:36] <JyZyXEL> does needrestart hook execute when unattended-upgrades does its thing?
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1666 [14:31:01] <JyZyXEL> and if it does, does it send an email about it?
1667 [14:31:21] <JyZyXEL> because i think it should, otherwise you are just getting false sense of security
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1669 [14:31:35] <danke> i use apticron, and i'm subbed to the security mailing list...
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1671 [14:33:47] <JyZyXEL> ah, so there is an alternative system
1672 [14:34:00] <JyZyXEL> i thought unattended was the only one
1673 [14:34:05] <ksk> there are many? :o
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1675 [14:34:39] <ksk> Id suppose every config managment like chef ansible puppet saltstack have such things
1676 [14:34:40] <danke> there are always many tools for a job!
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1683 [14:37:05] <JyZyXEL> ill see what happens if i start using both
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1685 [14:37:47] <gnu2> my gt730 won't output to vga after X is init, just black screen
1686 [14:37:50] <gnu2> dmesg: replaced-url
1687 [14:37:52] <gnu2> Xorg.0.log: replaced-url
1688 [14:37:55] <gnu2>
1689 [14:37:57] <gnu2> help!!!!
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1691 [14:38:00] <gnu2> my gt730 won't output to vga after X is init, just black screen
1692 [14:38:02] <gnu2> dmesg: replaced-url
1693 [14:38:05] <gnu2> Xorg.0.log: replaced-url
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1699 [14:41:50] <ksk> So, I guess I have been doing it wrong and what I really wanted was grub_reboot "1>2". brb ;)
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1719 [14:47:41] <ani> hi
1720 [14:47:47] <rochelimit> gnu2, I don't see any errors in the files. But you seem to be using a nine year old version of Xorg server and an eight year old kernel. Is the rest of your machine so old? Could me a hardware failure.
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1722 [14:48:21] <ani> anyone upgrade cinnamon 2.4 to 2.8?
1723 [14:48:25] <ani> or 3.0
1724 [14:49:11] <TomTomTosch> 3.0 is in jessie-backports
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1726 [14:49:16] <TomTomTosch> ,v cinnamon
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1728 [14:49:17] <judd> Package: cinnamon on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.16-5; jessie-backports: 3.0.4-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 3.0.7-2; sid: 3.0.7-2
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1735 [14:50:02] <TomTomTosch> replaced-url
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1739 [14:50:11] <ani> TomTomTosch: and after upgrade all work fine?
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1742 [14:50:32] <TomTomTosch> havn't tried it.
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1744 [14:50:46] <ani> it is point
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1747 [14:51:15] <ani> don't want catch crach or fail boot
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1749 [14:51:20] <ani> crash*
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1751 [14:51:59] <TomTomTosch> you can always remove it and reinstall the one from stable if it doesn't work.
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1756 [14:53:41] <ani> if config's update, reinstall to older won't work, only create backups
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1759 [14:54:19] <ani> who now's new configs compatible wit old versions
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1761 [14:54:41] <TomTomTosch> that's why you need to remove it completely first. purge that is.
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1767 [14:55:36] <ani> and loose my configs ?
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1772 [14:56:12] <TomTomTosch> save the ones that you need.
1773 [14:56:22] <ani> too lazy)
1774 [14:56:27] * TomTomTosch shrugs
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1777 [14:57:05] <ani> becose of what i ask about upgrade)
1778 [14:57:55] <ani> whatever, thx for help)
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1832 [15:23:14] <Bonn333> Hi :)
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1850 [15:28:52] <BrahRah> I was able to get my vps files into a virtualbox guest OS. I just copied everything on a fresh deb8 install (vps is also deb8) but it didn't work. Which folders should I omit to make this work?
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1866 [15:40:03] <stephanie92> Hey guys, do you think it would be a risk to install a custom kde theme on debian, from something like kde-look.org
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1869 [15:41:04] <Z3r0> anyone here have good hands on experience on Blueliv product?
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1876 [15:43:34] <smile123> hello
1877 [15:43:36] <smile123> i make one new partision
1878 [15:43:38] <smile123> but in this partision i can not make anythig folder etc
1879 [15:43:40] <smile123> how can change premision in this partision?
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1884 [15:46:21] <EddieHyde> did you try gparted?
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1886 [15:46:50] <zykotick9> smile123: what filesystem are you using? if it's ext2/3/4 you can just chown/chmod the mount point (while it's mounted).
1887 [15:47:10] <Hello71> !doesntwork
1888 [15:47:11] <smile123> ext4
1889 [15:47:13] <Hello71> aww
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1892 [15:47:40] <smile123> aaa ok thx
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1937 [16:09:10] <tdn> As I am finding that I no longer have any working DVD player and only a single desktop machine with a DVD drive, I want to copy all my DVDs to local hard drive. Preferably in a format that will work on various devices (mp4). I have now tried using handbrake, but some DVDs does not seem to work. However, when I play those same DVDs in VLC, they work just fine. I figure this is related to libdvdcss, however, I have already installed the nonfree libdvdcss. What can c
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1959 [16:18:11] <frostschutz> tdn, makemkv? mplayer -dumpstream? [and then handbrake the files you get out of it if you so desire]. I'm not familiar with VLC, maybe that can dump to file too
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1962 [16:18:48] <tdn> frostschutz, can I use the mplayer included in debian? Or do I need a special one?
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1964 [16:19:19] <frostschutz> tdn, debian is a server distro for me - sorry, you'll just have to try it yourself :)
1965 [16:19:20] <tdn> frostschutz, just mplayer -dumpstream /dev/sr0 ?
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1968 [16:20:24] <frostschutz> that or dvd://tracknumber or something.
1969 [16:20:54] <frostschutz> try without -dumpstream first, so you can see what it's playing, if it's the thing you want, then you add -dumpstream
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1972 [16:21:24] <nbags> tdn: you can use vlc, its 'Convert/Save' under the File menu
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1974 [16:22:42] <nbags> sorry, under the 'Media' menu
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1997 [16:30:52] <Agiofws> if i have Xorg and gdm3 up with PIDS is it possible to connect to the machine via a gui and not via ssh ftb ?
1998 [16:31:08] <Agiofws> what do i have to install on the headless host?
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2000 [16:31:14] <Agiofws> vnc server?
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2033 [16:40:20] <tdn> nbags, I have tried that. It does not really seem to work.. It either gets stuck somewhere, or the file produced is too short or both.
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2071 [16:51:44] <jamesl> how would I re-redirect a process output to stdout of the current terminal? I ran "aptitude full-upgrade" on another terminal but now I need to redirect the output to another terminal, how would I do that?
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2074 [16:52:22] <Agiofws> with screen? not sure though
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2076 [16:52:46] <jamesl> It's not running in a screen session
2077 [16:53:12] <jamesl> I can see the process is running with htop, but it's not outputting to the right terminal so I can't see its progress
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2084 [16:54:56] <liefer> Lets say i have 2 harddrives that i want to run in RAID. Would it be possible to have it setup such that each hdd has 2 partitions (a1, b1, a2, b2) and have partition a1 and a2 mirror/replicate eachother but b1 and b2 not (that is, b1 and b2 is set up to give maximum space)
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2122 [17:08:35] <jamesl> replaced-url
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2125 [17:09:15] <at0m> jamesl: i'd try apt -f install
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2145 [17:14:59] <jamesl> well now I have a different problem, the version of libc6 I'm installing as a dependency is not compatible with my kernel version, and I can't upgrade the kernel because this is an openVZ VPS
2146 [17:15:09] <jamesl> I might try going back to jessie
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2154 [17:17:18] <jamesl> installation cannot contiune and I'm left with a broken, half-upgraded OS
2155 [17:17:21] <jamesl> nontiune*
2156 [17:17:23] <jamesl> continue
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2179 [17:23:03] <BrahRah> I want to make a bootable img of my debian8 vps I've found this: dd if=/dev/sda1 | gzip -1 - | ssh user@local dd of=sda1.img
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2181 [17:23:17] <BrahRah> I'm not sure how to use this command
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2183 [17:23:41] <BrahRah> do I need ssh server on my client in order for this to work?
2184 [17:23:42] <_elik> I just installed debian by flashing the dvd to usb. I'm now booted and trying to install some packages, but I can't mount the image: No medium found on /dev/sdX
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2186 [17:24:25] <missmbob> _elik: how did you copy the iso to usb?
2187 [17:24:30] <_elik> cp
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2189 [17:24:41] <_elik> cp blah.iso /dev/sdX
2190 [17:24:46] <Agiofws> hey guys can someone give me some quick info on how to connect remotely to a desktop with what software?
2191 [17:24:51] <Agiofws> hello missmbob
2192 [17:24:53] <Acn> just copying is cp
2193 [17:25:00] <han-solo> WHATTTTTTT?
2194 [17:25:03] <Agiofws> the DE i want to connect to is headless
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2198 [17:25:16] <Agiofws> rdp? vnc ?
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2201 [17:25:22] <_elik> Agiofws: ssh
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2203 [17:25:33] <Agiofws> i have ssh to the host
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2205 [17:25:48] <_elik> Agiofws: ssh -X if you want to forward graphical applications
2206 [17:26:04] <Agiofws> forward?
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2209 [17:26:29] <_elik> Agiofws: you need graphical applications?
2210 [17:26:32] <Agiofws> i want to control the gui from another host
2211 [17:26:36] <Agiofws> yes
2212 [17:26:54] <Agiofws> i need it configure wifi via gui
2213 [17:27:04] <Agiofws> because now its connected via ethernet
2214 [17:27:12] <Agiofws> do i need vncserver?
2215 [17:27:16] <Agiofws> rdp ?
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2217 [17:27:24] <Agiofws> tightvnc ?
2218 [17:27:24] <_elik> Agiofws: well, vnc allows you to see the remote desktop
2219 [17:27:26] <Agiofws> vino?
2220 [17:27:37] <Agiofws> what about controlling it?
2221 [17:28:08] <_elik> Agiofws: it allows you to control it too
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2223 [17:28:25] <wonderworld> Agiofws: you nee a vnc-server on the remote host and a vnc viewer on the local machine
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2226 [17:28:49] <_elik> missmbob: What I could find pointed to a bad partition type, an answer on askubuntu I think
2227 [17:28:56] <gnu_> can you please fucking help me
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2229 [17:29:32] <AimHere> gnu_, we don't know. You've not said what you need help with yet
2230 [17:29:39] <gnu_> my gt730 won't output to vga after X is init, just black screen (Both VGA and DVI). Once screen goes black, can connect to SSH, but won't create shell.
2231 [17:29:42] <gnu_> dmesg: replaced-url
2232 [17:29:44] <gnu_> Xorg.0.log: replaced-url
2233 [17:29:49] <gnu_> AimHere I said it an hour ago
2234 [17:29:54] <gnu_> you just fucking ignored me
2235 [17:30:01] <gnu_> like I was a piece of fucking dirt
2236 [17:30:08] <_elik> gnu_: with that attitude
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2238 [17:30:17] <_elik> gnu_: you are not going to get much help
2239 [17:30:34] <gnu_> _elik: the other attitude didn't get me much help either
2240 [17:30:43] <gnu_> NVIDIA told me to fuck off untill monday
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2243 [17:31:04] <gnu_> replaced-url
2244 [17:31:07] <gnu_> are met:
2245 [17:31:14] <gnu_> Linux version 2.6.24-31-server (buildd@replaced-ip ) (gcc version 4.2.4 (Ubuntu 4.2.4-1ubuntu3)) #1 SMP Tue Feb 14 14:08:16 UTC 2012
2246 [17:31:17] <gnu_> X.Org X Server 1.4.0.90
2247 [17:31:20] <gnu_> module-init-tools version 3.3-pre11
2248 [17:31:23] <gnu_> ldd --version : ldd (GNU libc) 2.7
2249 [17:31:25] <gnu_> /usr/local/lib/libvdpau (version 0.2)
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2256 [17:33:17] <TomTomTosch> we don't support ubuntu in here. -> #ubuntu
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2260 [17:34:01] <gnu_> TomTomTosch: go and FUCK yourself
2261 [17:34:07] <TomTomTosch> no thanks.
2262 [17:34:14] <gnu_> TomTomTosch: time and place let's fight you piece of shit
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2265 [17:34:36] <gnu_> ubuntu just whines iinssttalll laaatteessst vvveerrssiioonn
2266 [17:34:38] <gnu_> theey cannot
2267 [17:34:40] <gnu_> help
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2269 [17:34:45] <gnu_> this is a 2008 install
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2271 [17:34:53] <gnu_> nvidia has always worked nomatter what
2272 [17:34:55] <gnu_> now it does not
2273 [17:34:57] <TomTomTosch> !ops gnu_ anger issues
2274 [17:34:57] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: tomtomtosch complains about: gnu_ anger issues
2275 [17:35:02] <Acn> lol
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2277 [17:35:08] <gnu_> but I have greater than the min requirements
2278 [17:35:10] <_elik> TomTomTosch++
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2280 [17:35:24] <jelly> gnu_: be nice to others, please
2281 [17:35:35] <gnu_> jelly: help me make nvidia work
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2283 [17:35:44] <gnu_> NVIDIA refuses to help me
2284 [17:35:50] <gnu_> (their support)
2285 [17:35:53] * jamesl refuses to help
2286 [17:35:59] <gnu_> ofcourse it was some fucking indian guy
2287 [17:36:04] <gnu_> who only knows windows
2288 [17:36:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jelly
2289 [17:36:11] <gnu_> and is a faggot like you people here
2290 [17:36:11] *** jelly sets mode: +q *!*@ool-457f2396.dyn.optonline.net
2291 [17:36:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: -o jelly
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2296 [17:37:03] <jelly> gnu_: you're on a 15 minutes cool down period, if you want volunteer help, you'll have to ask nicely.
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2308 [17:39:29] <_elik> I can't remount installation cd (flashed to usb) after I boot into debian: No medium found on /dev/sdX
2309 [17:40:42] <TomTomTosch> does dmesg show the device when you plug it in?
2310 [17:41:21] <careta> something weird happened to my synaptic, the top bar doesn't have any buttons
2311 [17:41:27] <careta> I lost the buttons somehow
2312 [17:41:43] <BrahRah> does anyone know a vps provider with downloadable backups in form of images that are bootable?
2313 [17:42:15] <han-solo> careta : can you see a settings menu?
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2316 [17:42:34] <NapoleonWils0n> hi all
2317 [17:42:52] <NapoleonWils0n> im trying to get copy and paste working with rxvt-unicode-256color
2318 [17:43:06] <NapoleonWils0n> but its just not working
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2323 [17:43:24] <_elik> TomTomTosch: well damn, somehow pulling the usb stick and plugging it back in worked
2324 [17:43:36] <NapoleonWils0n> should i be using rxvt-unicode instead of rxvt-unicode-256colors
2325 [17:43:41] <_elik> TomTomTosch: it previously only had a sdb node, no partitions (sdb1, etc)
2326 [17:44:01] <jelly> not that many apps work with 256 color support anyway
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2329 [17:44:21] <NapoleonWils0n> ill try unisalling and install standard version
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2332 [17:44:44] <careta> han-solo, I see the file menu, and there's a big blank space between that and the rest of the window where the buttons should be
2333 [17:44:52] <han-solo> i think, dd should be preffered to copy isos
2334 [17:44:59] <careta> and actually, the buttons are there as if I click where they should be, they work. But nothing is displayed
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2336 [17:45:27] <_elik> TomTomTosch: looked too far too fast, thanks mate!
2337 [17:46:01] <TomTomTosch> _elik: no problem. ^^
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2339 [17:46:06] <han-solo> that's weird
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2342 [17:47:41] <TomTomTosch> han-solo: the installation guide uses cp. it doesn't make a difference for this.
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2353 [17:52:12] <NapoleonWils0n> rxvt copy and paste not working even with Xresources do i need to dowload the perl extensions
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2355 [17:53:07] <humbot> two-button click ?
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2357 [17:53:55] <NapoleonWils0n> no mouse
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2360 [17:55:56] <jelly> how are you doing selection without mouse?
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2363 [17:56:33] <NapoleonWils0n> you can just drag across text and its auto selected for copying
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2365 [17:56:56] <hewlett> hello is there a debian off topic room?
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2367 [17:57:10] <hewlett> oops
2368 [17:57:12] <hewlett> found it+
2369 [17:57:13] <jamesl> hewlett▸ check the topic
2370 [17:57:13] <NapoleonWils0n> also gvim -v not working as default editor
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2372 [17:57:23] <hewlett> yeah thanks
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2376 [17:58:08] <hewlett> take good care -guys god bless
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2381 [17:58:34] <NapoleonWils0n> i have vim.gtk installed not sure if i need to set editor to gvim -v, vim or vim.gtk
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2390 [18:00:35] <NapoleonWils0n> no copy and paste from X is kind of a dealbreaker
2391 [18:01:11] <jelly> NapoleonWils0n: huh, drag with no mouse, how?
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2394 [18:01:38] <NapoleonWils0n> i have a trackpad on laptop
2395 [18:01:56] <NapoleonWils0n> just hightlight text and then paste in to X
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2397 [18:02:00] <abrotman> it has no buttons?
2398 [18:02:09] <jelly> eh, that's a mouse as well
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2400 [18:02:24] <NapoleonWils0n> i have no middle click
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2402 [18:02:43] <abrotman> do you have two buttons?
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2407 [18:03:35] <abrotman> If you have two existing mouse buttons, you can configure X to treat clicking both at the same time as a middle click
2408 [18:04:00] <NapoleonWils0n> no its a trackpad
2409 [18:04:07] <NapoleonWils0n> works perfectly on arch
2410 [18:04:09] <abrotman> So there are zero buttons?
2411 [18:04:29] <NapoleonWils0n> yes its a trackpad using macair with debian and i3wm
2412 [18:04:32] * abrotman is typing on a laptop with a trackpad, with two mouse buttons ..
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2415 [18:04:47] * jamesl is typing on a laptop with a trackpad, with 5 buttons
2416 [18:04:48] <gnu_> my gt730 won't output to vga after X is init, just black screen (Both VGA and DVI). Once screen goes black, can connect to SSH, but won't create shell.
2417 [18:04:51] <gnu_> something to note: with X not on I can ssh in. Once X is on and goes black, I get an SSH greeting, password prompt, but when I enter the password never a login: it hangs.
2418 [18:04:58] <NapoleonWils0n> i have perl-ext-common in my Xresources
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2420 [18:05:26] <missmbob> gnu_: you really need to understand that this is #debian and we don't support ubuntu. go to #ubuntu
2421 [18:05:50] <gnu_> missmbob: 8.0.04.4 is more debian than unbuntu
2422 [18:05:53] <gnu_> it's from 2008
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2424 [18:06:01] <abrotman> gnu_: irrevelant, go to #ubuntu
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2426 [18:06:19] <abrotman> irrelevant too ...
2427 [18:07:28] <gnu_> abrotman: ubuntu says just upgrade
2428 [18:07:37] <gnu_> I refuse
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2430 [18:07:51] <abrotman> gnu_: okay, but you're not getting help here.
2431 [18:07:55] <jamesl> gnu_▸ why can't you upgrade?
2432 [18:08:02] <abrotman> jamesl: ask him in #ubuntu please
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2435 [18:08:29] <abrotman> gnu_: That's your last warning from me, do not continue to ask questions about your Ubuntu installation here
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2444 [18:10:50] <NapoleonWils0n> weird copy and paste work in vim in terminal
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2446 [18:11:03] <NapoleonWils0n> but not in rxvt on the command line
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2450 [18:13:17] <gnu_> abrotman: go fuck yourself
2451 [18:13:21] <gnu_> I'll do what I want
2452 [18:13:22] <NapoleonWils0n> seems like the perl extension clipboard isnt in the perl library seach path
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2454 [18:13:27] <gnu_> and change IP at will
2455 [18:13:31] <NapoleonWils0n> have to install manually
2456 [18:13:54] <jamesl> gnu_▸ do what you want by all means but we won't help you if you treat us like that
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2461 [18:14:13] *** gnu_ was kicked by abrotman (you should know better)
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2463 [18:14:15] <NapoleonWils0n> asking question about different os is like trying to buy fish and chips at a bank
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2465 [18:14:46] <cra1g321> probably asking here cuz he's likely been kicked/banned from ubuntu already
2466 [18:14:51] <missmbob> NapoleonWils0n: that's why i love banks inside supermarkets.
2467 [18:14:57] <abrotman> I'm sure that attitude has a lot to do with why he can't get help in #ubuntu
2468 [18:15:03] <TomTomTosch> no, he is getting help in #ubuntu
2469 [18:15:12] <abrotman> good, then he can stay there
2470 [18:15:21] <cra1g321> i'd have kicked from there too ;P
2471 [18:15:49] <NapoleonWils0n> i do find debian has a lot less cruft than ubuntu, and its a pain to try and unpick everything it adds
2472 [18:16:09] <LostSoul> Hi
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2474 [18:16:36] <LostSoul> Just quick question today, why Debian (especially Jessie) comes without repos setup? (only cdrom)
2475 [18:16:36] <NapoleonWils0n> i have a debian video on youtube
2476 [18:16:38] <NapoleonWils0n> replaced-url
2477 [18:16:54] <NapoleonWils0n> and some bash scripts to record video from kodi
2478 [18:17:06] <TomTomTosch> LostSoul: that happens if you don't have a working connection during installation.
2479 [18:17:19] <LostSoul> TomTomTosch: Aaa, got it :)
2480 [18:17:25] <TomTomTosch> !tell LostSoul about sources.list
2481 [18:17:33] <TomTomTosch> LostSoul: simple enough to fix it ^
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2483 [18:17:42] <Sircle> I am few commands away from setting up a multiseatx. Can anyone help? replaced-url
2484 [18:17:48] <LostSoul> Strange in the same time as my VM should have connection
2485 [18:17:53] <LostSoul> TomTomTosch: Hmm?
2486 [18:17:56] <LostSoul> I didn't get it TomTomTosch
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2488 [18:18:15] <TomTomTosch> the bot should have sent you a msg.
2489 [18:18:26] <LostSoul> I see!
2490 [18:18:32] <LostSoul> There it is, thanks TomTomTosch
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2493 [18:18:49] <Sircle> ?
2494 [18:18:51] <TomTomTosch> no problem ^^
2495 [18:20:26] <LostSoul> I promised one question but here is another, what is advantage aptitude over apt?
2496 [18:20:54] <abrotman> LostSoul: not "advantage", but different
2497 [18:21:13] <NapoleonWils0n> apt has a pretty progress bar
2498 [18:21:18] <abrotman> dpkg: tell LostSoul about why aptitude
2499 [18:21:37] <NapoleonWils0n> apt !apt-get
2500 [18:21:57] <abrotman> dpkg: tell NapoleonWils0n about apt-get
2501 [18:23:17] <missmbob> i really hate apt in jessie. stretch version is nice. can't wait 'til it becomes stable
2502 [18:23:38] <hexnewbie> Is there an easy way to build a i386 library Debian package on an amd64 machine?
2503 [18:23:38] <LostSoul> Nice
2504 [18:23:39] * abrotman can't wait for the next tool ..
2505 [18:23:51] <LostSoul> Thanks abrotman
2506 [18:24:02] <abrotman> missmbob: I predict cupt will be next!
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2509 [18:24:15] <missmbob> heh
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2514 [18:26:10] <hexnewbie> Or at least any way to produce an error that it can't build the package, instead of producing the amd64 one over and over?
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2517 [18:26:47] <hexnewbie> So far I've been brute-forcing commands, and I've reached: dpkg-architecture --target-arch=i386 -c 'debuild --preserve-env --set-envvar=AUTOCONF=/usr/bin/autoconf2.50 --target-arch=i386 -uc -us -j4 '
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2519 [18:27:46] <missmbob> hexnewbie: you'd save yourself a lot of pain by creating an i386 chroot
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2521 [18:28:33] <hexnewbie> missmbob: I guess so, but I was hoping to get an error that would convince me to make that chroot, instead of silently getting the amd64 package :)
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2523 [18:29:15] <hexnewbie> I should have all the dependencies (-dev packages, libraries for both i386 and amd64), so there should be a way to at least try :)
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2527 [18:31:21] <NapoleonWils0n> rxvt is using ctrl meta v and c to copy and paste
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2529 [18:31:42] <NapoleonWils0n> need to change it to shift ctrl v and c
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2533 [18:32:43] <airking> How can I start my mysql server? /etc/init.d/mysql start does not work
2534 [18:32:50] <airking> It says the file/directory does nto exist
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2536 [18:33:58] <NapoleonWils0n> doesnt it use systemctl
2537 [18:34:12] <mutante> airking: how about systemctl status mysql
2538 [18:34:15] <NapoleonWils0n> something like sudo systemctl start mysql
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2540 [18:34:37] <airking> mutante: systemctl: command not found
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2542 [18:35:04] <jelly> airking: which debian release?
2543 [18:35:42] <mutante> airking: are you sure the mysql package is installed?
2544 [18:35:47] <mutante> dpkg -l | grep mysql ?
2545 [18:35:47] <dpkg> ii | grep mysql 1.9-5 mutante's private porn collection
2546 [18:35:49] <airking> jelly: 7.8
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2548 [18:36:01] <mutante> dpkg: lol, that was nice
2549 [18:36:01] <dpkg> mutante: are you using Windows?
2550 [18:36:22] <airking> mutante: yes, it's installed, mysql-server shows up in dpkg
2551 [18:36:59] <jelly> airking: pastebin the output of "dpkg -l mysql-server\* " and maybe "grep mysql /var/log/daemon.log | tail -n 200"
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2553 [18:37:07] <jelly> !paste
2554 [18:37:08] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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2556 [18:38:01] <airking> jelly: replaced-url
2557 [18:39:34] <mutante> airking: it should normally be "ii" not "iU" status
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2560 [18:39:56] <mutante> that U tells us something isnt installed right / unpacked
2561 [18:39:59] <airking> mutante: SO where do I got from here?
2562 [18:40:16] <jelly> airking: apt-get install mysql-server-5.5
2563 [18:40:35] <mutante> airking: i would try to apt-get remove --purge and apt-get install it again or what jelly said
2564 [18:40:43] <jelly> airking: did mysql server ever work on this installation?
2565 [18:40:48] <mutante> then see if there are any errors during install
2566 [18:40:56] <airking> jelly: nope
2567 [18:40:59] <airking> jelly: just installed it
2568 [18:41:14] <jelly> airking: can you show the full output of your installation attempt?
2569 [18:41:25] <jelly> it did not complete successfully.
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2571 [18:41:37] <hexnewbie> missmbob: Thanks. That worked much faster than I thought. (Except for having to kill exim4, atd, and several other daemons inside the chroot. Ugh. I always hate that)
2572 [18:41:52] <airking> jelly: your thing worked
2573 [18:41:54] <airking> with the 5.5
2574 [18:42:21] <jelly> your machine is unpatched, btw
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2577 [18:42:34] <airking> jelly: what do you mean?
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2579 [18:42:42] <jelly> should be at 7.11 not 7.8
2580 [18:43:50] <missmbob> hexnewbie: this will show you how to disable daemons from starting in the chroot. wiki.debian.org/chroot#Configuration
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2583 [18:44:19] <hexnewbie> missmbob: Thanks :)
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2605 [18:57:11] <jelly> airking: just make sure the system is up-to-date
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2611 [18:59:03] <unixuser> I have a kernel oops with the nvidia driver when it starts up: replaced-url
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2617 [19:01:32] <han-solo> unixuser: are you the the user named _gnu?
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2619 [19:01:39] <han-solo> just askin'
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2624 [19:02:05] <TwistedFate> Can someone please recommend me a good radio app for terminal/tty?
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2626 [19:02:12] <unixuser> han-solo: yes
2627 [19:02:20] <han-solo> okay
2628 [19:02:26] <tpw_rules> hey i'm having difficulty mounting a file with a loop device on debian 8. " sudo mount -t ext4 -o ro /media/media_store/root.img mnt" tells me "mount: /media/media_store/root.img: failed to setup loop device: No such file or directory". root.img exists at that location
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2630 [19:02:41] <tpw_rules> lsmod | grep loop shows "loop 26605 0"
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2632 [19:03:56] <th0r> tpw_rules, you can't mount an img file like that
2633 [19:04:07] <unixuser> can someone help
2634 [19:04:20] <mtn> unixuser: aren't you tired of getting kicked out?
2635 [19:04:27] <tpw_rules> th0r: why not? it's not an iso, it's a dd of an ext4 partition. that's just the extension i gave it
2636 [19:04:36] <unixuser> I have a kernel oops with the nvidia driver when it starts up: replaced-url
2637 [19:04:39] <unixuser> I have a kernel oops with the nvidia driver when it starts up: replaced-url
2638 [19:04:42] <mtn> unixuser: aren't you tired of getting kicked out?
2639 [19:04:57] <unixuser> mtn: not until my screen is not black
2640 [19:05:10] <mtn> unixuser: then get help on a site for your os, not debian
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2642 [19:05:32] <unixuser> this is a kernel issue, not a distro specific issue
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2644 [19:05:46] <mtn> unixuser: this is a site for only debian support, no other.
2645 [19:05:49] <tpw_rules> losetup -f prints /dev/loop0 but /dev/loop0 doesn't exist on my filesystem
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2650 [19:06:50] <tpw_rules> hm i can mount it on /dev/loop1 though. what happened to loop0? can i get it back?
2651 [19:07:12] <jelly> is that one persistent or what. Ubuntu 8.04 and a 2014 card and a nvidia driver? wat
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2661 [19:12:53] <stephanie92> hey guys, what permissions should /etc/localtime have? Should it be 777'd
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2663 [19:13:49] <jelly> stephanie92: nothing in /etc should be 0777
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2665 [19:14:09] <missmbob> stephanie92: it's a link. lrwxrwxrwx the actual file it points to should be -rw-r--r--
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2667 [19:14:35] <stephanie92> missmbob: okay, so it's the actual link that is 777'd, not the symlink.. wasn't sure
2668 [19:14:49] <jelly> stephanie92: why do you ask?
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2670 [19:15:48] <stephanie92> jelly: because my localtime file is 777'd and so is the file it's symlinked to
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2673 [19:16:51] <stephanie92> jelly: And when i did ls -la /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/ ..the timezone then is symlinked to ../posixrules
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2675 [19:17:09] <jelly> stephanie92: huh. Show the output of: ls -ld /etc/localtime $(readlink -f /etc/localtime)
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2678 [19:17:49] <stephanie92> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3519 Jul 5 14:15 /usr/share/zoneinfo/posixrules
2679 [19:17:49] <stephanie92> interesting
2680 [19:18:23] <hexnewbie> For me, ‘dpkg-reconfigure tzdata’ would copy the file, not symlink it, and then update it during an upgrade. Never knew why it did it that way. So I've never seen /etc/localtime being a symlink
2681 [19:18:28] <jelly> if that's the second line of the output, looks fine to me
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2683 [19:18:51] <stephanie92> so i guess it is 644'd?
2684 [19:19:03] <stephanie92> jelly: okay great
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2688 [19:19:44] <jelly> stephanie92: beside readlink -f, you can also use -L option for ls, eg: ls -lL /etc/localtime
2689 [19:19:46] <stephanie92> jelly: hmm oddly enough, it didn't change it to eastern standard time xD
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2691 [19:19:55] <stephanie92> jelly: Okay :O
2692 [19:20:03] <jelly> what didn't change what
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2694 [19:20:17] <hexnewbie> posixrules is EDT?
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2697 [19:21:02] <stephanie92> hexnewbie: I don't even know what posixrules are hahaha
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2699 [19:22:12] <stephanie92> i'm kinda a rookie ;3
2700 [19:22:15] <hexnewbie> stephanie92: Me neither. It just seems that your timezone is set to posixrules, which (when I use it) prints EDT time, and is also a symlink. Neither of those I've seen before, though if you don't face any actual datetime issue, I wouldn't worry about it.
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2703 [19:22:51] <stephanie92> hexnewbie: how should i go about setting the local time then?
2704 [19:24:04] <missmbob> like with most things, archlinux has a great wiki on it. wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Time#Time_zone
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2707 [19:25:39] <hexnewbie> stephanie92: To change the system timezone, I usually run ‘dpkg-reconfigure tzdata’, for my user or current console session, I just export the environmental variable TZ=America/New_York for example. Or just show multiple clock applets for different time zones.
2708 [19:25:40] <cra1g321> replaced-url
2709 [19:26:37] <hexnewbie> stephanie92: Do you have an issue with the time zone? I wouldn't touch it if you don't.
2710 [19:26:42] <missmbob> that debian wiki really needs updating
2711 [19:26:43] <stephanie92> hexnewbie: well i'm trying to do it on over 20 VMs using ansible...
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2718 [19:27:51] <jelly> !ping
2719 [19:27:51] <dpkg> Yes, jelly you are either online or you are not... replaced-url
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2721 [19:29:43] <jelly> bogus-: please disable your script or bot answering to !ping or any other line starting with '!' in this channel.
2722 [19:30:16] <hexnewbie> stephanie92: You want eastern time on these machines?
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2724 [19:30:33] <stephanie92> hexnewbie: yeah ;o
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2727 [19:31:38] <hexnewbie> stephanie92: Then the machine that you're looking at is properly symlinked. Apparently all zoneinfos for eastern time are symlinks to posixrules (whatever that's supposed to mean), for example: /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York -> ../posixrule
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2731 [19:33:28] <stephanie92> hexnewbie: yeah, i noticed haha as of about 10 minutes ago
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2734 [19:34:12] <bogus-> ehrm ok jelly?
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2753 [19:47:47] <stephanie92> hexnewbie: weird, no matter where i symlink the localtime to, it's like it's showing up atleast an hour fast
2754 [19:48:17] <stephanie92> hexnewbie: even if i symlink to /usr/share/zoneinfo/Etc/GMT-5
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2759 [19:50:19] <sascha> hey, i'd like to install php7.0 with ZTS support. unfortunately, the dotdeb repo only has 5.6 with ZTS and I prefer to have an existing repo rather than compiling everything by myself
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2761 [19:50:40] <sascha> eventhough I found mostly tutorials for ZTS on 5.6 or older Debian releases
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2765 [19:52:11] <hexnewbie> stephanie92: What does the following command print for you: TZ=UTC date
2766 [19:52:17] <jelly> bogus-: thanks in advance
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2774 [19:54:54] <irssi> hi all,ert-debian-vg" not found. how fix?
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2778 [19:56:31] <Guest67211> I enter my password and boot continues ,but interested how fix ert-debian-vg
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2780 [19:56:59] <missmbob> Guest67211: it's not found (yet) because it's encrypted. only after you type in your password can it be found. so it's not really an error.
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2782 [19:57:25] <missmbob> that's absolutely normal and the way it works
2783 [19:57:31] <Guest67211> missmbob: its not error ?
2784 [19:57:48] <missmbob> no. you're fine.
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2788 [19:58:35] <Guest67211> missmbob: clear, thanks
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2791 [19:59:09] <hexnewbie> stephanie92: If that's off, (should be about "Sat Oct 29 17:59:01 UTC 2016" right now), I'd suspect the datetime is actually incorrectly set. Either on the host, or on the VM, or the hypervisor, or the clock driver of the hypervisor is misconfigured (e.g. not set to UTC in libvirt's XML, or the guest, or is configured with an offset). I'd install ntp on the host and/or guest.
2792 [19:59:25] <missmbob> !tell stephanie92 about systemd-timesyncd
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2795 [19:59:49] <missmbob> once the timezone is set that ^ will set the time
2796 [20:00:03] <missmbob> i'd use systemd-timesynccd over ntp
2797 [20:00:29] <missmbob> spelled correctly
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2801 [20:01:10] <hexnewbie> I wouldn't care if it's spelled correctly if it set my time. ;)
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2838 [20:19:47] <Tom01> The mouse is too fast. How can I slow it down?
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2841 [20:20:34] <gebruiker> thumblerd eating alot fo system resources. Googled it and a known bug. Solution kill it and / or use some random script from a forum. I want to try out MATE. But How do I cleanly uninstall xfce incl dependencies? Other than apt-get remove --purge xfce* ...
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2848 [20:22:05] <jmcnaught> gebruiker: do you not have enough storage for both mate and xfce to be installed?
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2851 [20:25:22] <gebruiker> jmcnaught: yeah but I want it to be clean and I am curious how this would work, this question has been on my mind for a while now
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2857 [20:26:26] <jmcnaught> gebruiker: if you are using a display manager (which is recommended) then you will be able to choose the session type (xfce or mate) on the login screen
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2859 [20:27:06] <jmcnaught> after a while if you decide that you no longer need xfce, you can start removing its packages (carefully)
2860 [20:27:24] <gebruiker> jmcnaught: oh man .. manual labor? :S
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2866 [20:29:36] <jmcnaught> gebruiker: generally it would involve removing meta-packages for xfce, and then doing "apt-get autoremove" to remove packages that were installed by those metapackages but that aren't recommended or suggested by other packages still installed
2867 [20:29:51] <cheapie> I've been wondering about something like this for a while, actually. If I do apt install task-kde-desktop (or similar), then apt remove task-kde-desktop, then apt autoremove, it seems like KDE usually doesn't get removed, as if parts of it got set to manually installed or something.
2868 [20:30:20] <jmcnaught> however you always need to be careful removing anything.. it's quite common for us to see people who have removed too many packages no longer able to get a GUI
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2871 [20:31:58] <Tom01> I have a high speed gaming mouse.
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2873 [20:32:22] <Tom01> How can I deactivate mouse acceleration?
2874 [20:32:50] <cheapie> Tom01: This looks related: replaced-url
2875 [20:33:00] <gebruiker> jmcnaught: I found replaced-url
2876 [20:33:04] <cheapie> It's for Arch, but *probably* applicable to Debian as well.
2877 [20:33:18] <Tom01> cheapie: thx
2878 [20:33:33] <missmbob> Tom01: most DE's have a mouse settings to make slowing it down and making it faster easier. in xfce4 it's settings->mouse and touchpads
2879 [20:34:11] <Tom01> missmbob: It is already on the lowest value. Still too fast.
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2882 [20:34:25] <missmbob> did you restart x after changing that setting?
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2886 [20:37:30] <missmbob> i have no idea if you need to or not. never touched those settings. worth a try
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2894 [20:44:04] <random_numbers> apt-transport-tor shouldn't interfere with package verification at all, correct?
2895 [20:44:43] <random_numbers> (I found out that was a thing via 'apt search apt')
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2899 [20:47:18] <Evidlo> how do I find what version of systemd corresponds to this commit? replaced-url
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2903 [20:48:56] <OerHeks> random_numbers, seems like a legit way replaced-url
2904 [20:48:56] <jmcnaught> random_numbers: the transport should not interfere, but tor exit nodes might
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2908 [20:50:15] <jmcnaught> Evidlo: the commit mentions a version in the changelog
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2914 [20:52:36] <random_numbers> jmcnaught: That's kind of what I was asking. Are the default repos signed and verification activated by default?
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2917 [20:52:55] <Tom01> missmbob: I will try restarting
2918 [20:53:10] <jmcnaught> random_numbers:
2919 [20:53:14] <jmcnaught> sorry.. yes
2920 [20:53:16] <TomTomTosch> there are no exit nodes if you use apt-transport-tor the mirror is actually a tor hidden sevice. it will be encrypted the whole way plus package signatures are still checked.
2921 [20:53:26] <jmcnaught> !apt secure
2922 [20:53:27] <dpkg> [apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6, <APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all archives. See replaced-url
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2924 [20:55:40] <random_numbers> jmcnaught: Thanks.
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2926 [20:56:42] <random_numbers> TomTomTosch: No exit node would mean I need to use .onion mirror addresses in my sources.list, right?
2927 [20:56:51] <TomTomTosch> exactly.
2928 [20:57:12] <TomTomTosch> replaced-url
2929 [20:57:21] <random_numbers> Thanks.
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2938 [21:00:14] <gebruiker> yeah mate is better
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2961 [21:10:39] <random_numbers> So, release files are signed and they contain checksums of everything downloadable from their repo. What kind of hashing do they use nowadays?
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2967 [21:12:22] <TomTomTosch> that should be SHA256
2968 [21:12:48] <random_numbers> That sounds reasonable.
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2977 [21:15:29] <Bird|otherbox> on Debian systems -- is a fat32 /boot partition not a supported configuration at all? I'm trying just that, and dpkg vomits an error about being unable to make a backup link for the System.map file due to "Operation not permitted" when it tries to update the kernel
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2992 [21:22:56] <Sircle> Is it possible to have multiseatx with a card of 4 ports (but one physical video card)? such as replaced-url
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2998 [21:24:32] <torbian> #bunsenlabs
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3018 [21:37:35] <dokma> I forgot what file is used to configure which executable to start when a connection is made on a port...
3019 [21:37:35] <Spydar007> I keep getting 403 Forbidden when visiting any page under wiki.debian.org (and have been for a while). It's happening from any device on my home internet, but not from elsewhere. Can someone check if I've been blocked or something please?
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3025 [21:38:15] <gry> I bet you are probably using a proxy at home or your ISP is doing something hacky. When you get blocked at the wiki you still have read access.
3026 [21:38:22] <gry> Can you try another browser?
3027 [21:39:04] <gry> Wait, no, I am wrong - replaced-url
3028 [21:39:15] <dokma> Anyone remembers that one?
3029 [21:39:34] <gry> Spydar007, you can email wiki@debian.org your IP address and they would look into it
3030 [21:39:44] <dokma> I remember it containing a port and the path to the executable that needs to be started to handle the connection...
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3033 [21:40:03] <Spydar007> gry: cheers, will do
3034 [21:40:45] <MarGarina> dokma: inetd / xinetd?
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3036 [21:41:18] <dokma> MarGarina: yup... inetd.conf
3037 [21:41:22] <dokma> thank you
3038 [21:42:13] <MarGarina> np
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3121 [22:34:58] <sumi> hello
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3123 [22:36:00] <sumi> quick question. i've been looking this whole day to figure how to get logs working for a certain app. i'm using a debian:jessie docker container. how can i check which log system is used? i can't find the configuration files. what log system does jessie use?
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3127 [22:38:28] <jmcnaught> sumi: by default jessie uses journald which forwards to rsyslog for persistent storage, but everything's usually different in docker (where typically you have a single process running, no init, no other daemons like syslogs)
3128 [22:38:47] <sumi> thanks
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3131 [22:39:10] <sumi> so what does /dev/log do ?
3132 [22:39:13] <sumi> it's a socket?
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3138 [22:41:35] <jmcnaught> sumi: on my system /dev/log is a symlink to /run/systemd/journal/dev-log which is a socket. on a sysvinit system, it would be a socket to rsyslog. but again, with docker you typically don't have other daemons running in your container. from what i recall, the docker host listens to output from the container and logs that on the host system (not in the container)
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3141 [22:42:32] <jmcnaught> you'll need to refer to the docker documentation, and also check the details of how your container was built (the debian docker containers aren't really official, and are significantly different from stock debian)
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3143 [22:42:55] <sumi> jmcnaught yes indeed, in my containers i would redirect stdout and stderr to /proc/1/fd/1 so it appears on the host running the container
3144 [22:43:25] <random_numbers> I have yet more questions about the Debian security chain. I found that '/var/lib/apt/lists/http.debian.net_debian_dists_jessie-updates_InRelease' contains the checksums for say 'contrib/binary-amd64/Packages.xz'... but I'm not sure where to go from here.
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3146 [22:43:43] <sumi> but the app i'm using (haproxy) uses syslog facilities to dispatch its log, which adds an indirection layer to the "regular" way i would go about it with docker.
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3148 [22:44:12] <jmcnaught> random_numbers: what are you trying to do? generally apt-get/apt/aptitude verifies signatures and checksums for you
3149 [22:44:26] <sumi> but from what you told me, there is a high probability that the log system used on my base debian container is not "stock" debian
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3151 [22:44:55] <sumi> i'll try to install rsyslog then and configure it to dispatch to /proc/1/fd/1.
3152 [22:45:25] <random_numbers> jmcnaught: I'm trying to understand how it works. When it retrieves the 'release' and its signature, what does it do afterward?
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3156 [22:46:22] <jmcnaught> sumi: haproxy has no way to tell it to log elsewhere? i only played with docker a little but it doesn't seem designed to have daemons running inside the container.. it's meant for single process containers
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3159 [22:47:54] <jmcnaught> random_numbers: apt downloads a package from the repository, verifies the checksum of the downloaded .deb against its cached Packages file, verifies the checksum of that Packages file matches what's in the Release file, then verifies that the release file is signed by a key in apt's keyring
3160 [22:47:59] <sumi> i've just tried to use systemd-cat and the os tells me it failed to create stream fd
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3162 [22:48:28] <random_numbers> jmcnaught: Where is the 'Packages' index stored, and its checksum?
3163 [22:48:49] <jmcnaught> sumi: which makes sense, because you generally do not have an init in a docker container.
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3168 [22:49:24] <jmcnaught> random_numbers: in /var/lib/apt/lists with the Release files
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3170 [22:49:52] <sumi> jmcnaught: well the it works, i need to give an address and a facility to log, with optional values to define from which level to which level. so if i say 127.0.0.1 for address and local0 for facility, it will bind with a socket on the localhost. so if i want to redirect to a file, i need to create a facility in syslog (from my understanding, which may be wrong)
3171 [22:50:02] <jmcnaught> sumi: if you want a less crazy pants, more traditional system running inside your containers you could use LXC instead of Docker
3172 [22:50:15] <sumi> LXC?
3173 [22:50:18] <sumi> i'll have a look
3174 [22:50:43] <jmcnaught> LXC is system containers.. it boots an init like a normal system, runs supporting daemons in the background
3175 [22:51:11] <sumi> haproxy logging on docker containers seems like a hot topic on google. people really struggle and haproxy dev say it dispatches to syslog
3176 [22:51:12] <jmcnaught> on the other hand Docker is a radical replacement of the init model (way more radical than systemd) where each service runs as a single-process container
3177 [22:51:16] <sumi> oooh
3178 [22:51:21] <sumi> is it then similar to a chroot?
3179 [22:51:44] <sumi> wel...
3180 [22:51:54] <sumi> chroot you would map resources into the chroot.
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3184 [22:52:12] <sumi> the way you say it about LXC, seems like you could have a subsystem in the containr
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3188 [22:52:20] <sumi> which would actually be more complete than docker
3189 [22:52:35] <sumi> i'll educate myself on the topic, thanks for the reference
3190 [22:53:01] <jmcnaught> systemd-nspawn is another container tool that comes with systemd
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3193 [22:54:08] <random_numbers> jmcnaught: Alright, they're there. Thanks.
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3214 [23:07:30] <sphalerite> Is there a way to find out why apt dist-upgrade wants to install a new package (as in which of the packages to be upgraded depends on it)?
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3235 [23:17:09] <JohK> hi
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3237 [23:17:39] <JohK> I have had problems with dkms for ages
3238 [23:18:01] <JohK> now I purged all of dkms and manually made sure nothing is left
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3240 [23:18:12] <JohK> wenn I do a build nvidia_current…
3241 [23:18:21] <random_numbers> sphalerite: There is a way, however I do not know it myself.
3242 [23:18:47] <sphalerite> random_numbers: that's a start ^^
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3244 [23:19:02] <JohK> and then an dkms install … I get an error: “Error! This module/version has already been buiilt on: KERNEL”
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3246 [23:19:30] <JohK> which is true, but it does not install the build modules into /lib/modules either
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3249 [23:19:49] <JohK> anyone?
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3252 [23:19:52] <random_numbers> I'd probably just list all updating programs into a file, 'apt show' all the list and grep for the new program's name.
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3254 [23:19:57] <jmcnaught> sphalerite: you can try looking with "aptitude why $package"
3255 [23:20:10] <sphalerite> jmcnaught: will that work even if the package isn't installed yet?
3256 [23:20:17] <typo_> anyone have luck installing WoW or Steam in Debian 8? I'm getting issues that google *really* isn't helping with.
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3258 [23:20:40] <jmcnaught> sphalerite: it might, it's sort of a best guess command. what is the new package?
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3261 [23:21:11] <jmcnaught> sphalerite: "apt-cache rdepends $package" could also help you figure it out
3262 [23:21:38] <sphalerite> jmcnaught: several GNOME/X11-related things I really don't want on my server :) at-spi2-core, adwaita-icon-theme, ...
3263 [23:21:51] <sphalerite> Yeah, tried that. They have a lot of dependents :/
3264 [23:22:05] <jmcnaught> sphalerite: can you use replaced-url
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3268 [23:22:39] <sphalerite> aah, it's probably erlang-wx
3269 [23:23:00] <jmcnaught> typo_: Debian 8 has a steam package available in non-free: replaced-url
3270 [23:23:37] <jmcnaught> sphalerite: you can also do "apt-get upgrade" before the dist-upgrade, which will upgrade all packages that don't require new packages to be installed (or removed)
3271 [23:23:39] <sphalerite> wtf, erlang depends on erlang-wx newly?
3272 [23:23:43] <sphalerite> yeah, already did that
3273 [23:23:51] <typo_> jmcnaught: yeah that still gives me an issue
3274 [23:23:54] <JohK> can anyone help me with dkms (error with dkms install —> “Error! This module/version has already been buiilt on: KERNEL”)
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3276 [23:24:09] <typo_> it tells me theres a 32 bit library I don't have and nothing people on random forums suggest works
3277 [23:24:10] <jmcnaught> typo_: if you tell the channel the problem you're having, someone might help you fix it
3278 [23:24:20] <sphalerite> wait, erlang is a new installation too.
3279 [23:25:05] <jmcnaught> !paste
3280 [23:25:06] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
3281 [23:25:27] <jmcnaught> people having problems, *please* make pastes if you want help
3282 [23:25:50] <sphalerite> Right, removing rebar seems to have done the trick. Thanks for the pointers jmcnaught
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3284 [23:26:19] <typo_> pastes of what exactly, lol. The error saying I don't have libGL.so.1?
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3286 [23:26:51] <typo_> inb4 "apt-get libgl.so.1"
3287 [23:27:12] <jmcnaught> typo_: show us the command that you used and the full output. paraphrased errors don't help us understand the issue
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3289 [23:27:21] <typo_> *sigh*
3290 [23:27:23] <sphalerite> typo_: try installing the package from non-free. That should sort dependency issues properly
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3292 [23:27:39] <jmcnaught> typo_: also for your problem if you could include in the paste the info that the bot is about to ask you for please
3293 [23:27:47] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell typo_ about bat
3294 [23:27:56] <JohK> dkms problem: replaced-url
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3297 [23:28:45] <jmcnaught> JohK: are you on jessie? also did you try the dkms remove command it suggests that you use?
3298 [23:28:52] <JohK> the module is not installed, but built; AFAIK dkms install should install it, yet it fails
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3300 [23:28:59] <JohK> jmcnaught: numerous times
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3302 [23:29:06] <JohK> jmcnaught: purged everything
3303 [23:29:08] <jmcnaught> JohK: are you on jessie?
3304 [23:29:28] <JohK> jmcnaught: strech/sid
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3306 [23:29:42] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell JohK about debian-next
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3308 [23:30:00] <jmcnaught> JohK: see the message from the bot about the stretch/sid support channel
3309 [23:30:01] <JohK> jmcnaught: I’ve had the same problem in jessie :)
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3311 [23:30:12] <JohK> jmcnaught: and even before
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3313 [23:30:29] <JohK> every single kernel update dkms fails to build my modules
3314 [23:30:52] <jmcnaught> JohK: you still should use the correct channel for your release. connecting to OFTC is not different than connecting to freenode, except the address is different…
3315 [23:31:26] <JohK> sure, thanks
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3317 [23:31:40] <typo_> replaced-url
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3323 [23:33:14] <LearnerWind> Hi I am missing the firmware: rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin. If i install the package: Will my computer be slower than if i just install the firmware?
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3326 [23:33:24] <jmcnaught> typo_: that library can come from a few different packages. if you are using default open source GPU drivers, it would be in the package libgl1-mesa-glx
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3329 [23:33:39] <jmcnaught> typo_: in your case you should try "apt-get -s install libgl1-mesa-glx:i386"
3330 [23:34:07] <typo_> already newest version
3331 [23:34:59] <jmcnaught> LearnerWind: installing the firmware-realtek package is the recommended way, and would not impact performance in any way different from manually installing the loose firmware file
3332 [23:35:06] <jmcnaught> typo_: which GPU driver are you using?
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3334 [23:35:59] <LearnerWind> jmcnaught: Thankyou for the advice
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3336 [23:36:40] <typo_> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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3338 [23:37:00] <LearnerWind> Sorry i thoght i had typed firmware-realtek there
3339 [23:37:13] <jmcnaught> typo_: and so, you're using the nvidia-driver package?
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3341 [23:37:24] <typo_> jmcnaught: afaik
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3343 [23:37:45] <jmcnaught> typo_: what did *you* install? nvidia-driver is not default
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3345 [23:38:21] <typo_> after clean install of debian, my video output was fuzzy so I followed the page here replaced-url
3346 [23:38:38] <typo_> supposedly I have version 352.79
3347 [23:38:43] <typo_> but I have 0 idea how to prove such
3348 [23:38:49] <jmcnaught> typo_: did you do step #4 on replaced-url
3349 [23:39:12] <typo_> yes, many of those items listed didn't even exist
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3351 [23:39:15] <typo_> but I removed those that did
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3353 [23:39:59] <jmcnaught> ,v libgl1-nvidia-glx --arch i386
3354 [23:40:00] <judd> Package: libgl1-nvidia-glx on i386 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-10~bpo8+2; stretch/non-free: 367.44-3; sid/non-free: 367.57-1; experimental/non-free: 370.28-1
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3356 [23:40:20] <jmcnaught> typo_: "items"? "removed those that did"?
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3359 [23:40:35] <littlegirl> Hey there, is there anyone in charge of missing man pages? The Debian QA Man pages page at replaced-url
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3361 [23:41:01] <typo_> jmcnaught: "run these commands to remove runtime libraries known to cause issues with Debian"
3362 [23:41:05] <typo_> or are you not referring to step 4
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3364 [23:42:03] <jmcnaught> by step #4 i did indeed mean step 4
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3366 [23:42:31] <typo_> so which part of my sentence confused you, I ran the commands listed.
3367 [23:43:12] <typo_> for example, there was no instance of 'libstdc++.so.6' which it recommends removing
3368 [23:43:36] <jmcnaught> typo_: i asked you about step #4 on the wiki instructions, installing libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 and you tell me about removing stuff…
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3371 [23:43:55] <typo_> step 4 is 'troubleshooting'
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3373 [23:43:57] <typo_> on that page
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3376 [23:44:53] <jmcnaught> typo_: replaced-url
3377 [23:45:19] <typo_> replaced-url
3378 [23:45:21] <jmcnaught> typo_: what does "apt-cache policy libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386" tell you?
3379 [23:45:58] <typo_> regarding apt-cache: replaced-url
3380 [23:46:12] <jmcnaught> typo_: if you installed nvidia-driver from jessie-backports, you also need to install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 from jessie-backports
3381 [23:46:51] <littlegirl> Is anybody able to answer my question?
3382 [23:46:53] <jmcnaught> "apt-get -s -t jessie-backports install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386"
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3384 [23:48:12] <olalonde> Hi all, Debian newbie here. I'm trying to upgrade "graphicsmagick" from 1.3.20 (this is what is installed with apt-get install graphicsmagick) to 1.3.25. Any way to do that? I guess I'll have to compile it from scratch?
3385 [23:48:40] <jmcnaught> littlegirl: i would ignore that dead netmeister.com link and just submit the missing man pages on bugs.debian.org for the relevant package
3386 [23:48:46] <typo_> olalonde: if the newer version is not in the repositories you may need to compile it yourself, or find a repository that has the up to date version
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3388 [23:49:18] <TomTomTosch> ,checkbackport graphicsmagick
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3390 [23:49:25] <judd> Backporting package graphicsmagick in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual.
3391 [23:49:31] <littlegirl> jmcnaught: Okay, thanks.
3392 [23:49:32] <olalonde> typo_: ok, how do I see the source of the current repository? that would help me with the build script.
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3394 [23:49:43] <TomTomTosch> !tell olalonde about ssb
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3397 [23:50:25] <TomTomTosch> olalonde: you can create a backport, which means building a package from sid against the libs in your system.
3398 [23:50:33] <typo_> jmcnaught: after installing from jessie-backports and reinstalling steam it still tells me I don't have libgl.so.1
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3400 [23:50:40] <olalonde> What's sid?
3401 [23:50:44] <olalonde> The release after jessie?
3402 [23:50:45] <jmcnaught> olalonde: do you need graphicsmagick for a new feature, or because you think you need it for a bug/security fix?
3403 [23:50:58] <kevr> how do i fix a broken package? i can't do anything with apt because cgroupfs-mount is not able to install/uninstall properly
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3405 [23:51:21] <typo_> kevr: you can try apt-get install -f
3406 [23:51:41] <TomTomTosch> olalonde: sid is unstable. used to test packages and introduce new versions. it has graphicsmagick 1.3.25
3407 [23:51:43] <typo_> oh apt-get is the broken thing
3408 [23:51:58] <jmcnaught> typo_: what does "update-alternatives --display glx" tell you?
3409 [23:52:04] <olalonde> TomTomTosch: ok thanks
3410 [23:52:09] <olalonde> But I'm really confused right now
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3412 [23:52:15] <kevr> typo_: replaced-url
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3414 [23:52:36] <olalonde> I'm actually building a docker image using node:6 as a base image and replaced-url
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3416 [23:53:02] <olalonde> Ah, it's the default base OS nvm
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3418 [23:53:08] <typo_> jmcnaught: replaced-url
3419 [23:53:19] <olalonde> jmcnaught: bug/security fix
3420 [23:53:28] <jmcnaught> kevr: which init system are you using?
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3422 [23:53:44] <jmcnaught> olalonde: did you check to see if the bug/vulnerability was fixed in the Debian package?
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3424 [23:53:56] <kevr> whatever came with wheezy or jessie by default
3425 [23:54:02] <olalonde> jmcnaught: they've actually removed support for PSD if I understand correctly. and I had a bug processing a PSD file on my server today
3426 [23:54:04] <jmcnaught> olalonde: Debian backports security fixes to the version of the package in the current stable release
3427 [23:54:09] <kevr> 'service X (start|stop|...)
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3430 [23:54:32] <olalonde> jmcnaught: apparently not because I'm getting that bug on a fresh graphicsmagick install
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3432 [23:54:51] <jmcnaught> kevr: wheezy is sysvinit by default, jessie is systemd. You've got a line in your paste that cgroupfs-mount is managed via upstart (which is a third init system)
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3434 [23:55:07] <kevr> ic
3435 [23:55:09] <kevr> so
3436 [23:55:13] <kevr> the original goal was to install docker
3437 [23:55:18] <olalonde> How do I install a package from sid?
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3439 [23:55:28] <kevr> but now the goal is just to get rid of this shit so apt isn't broken
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3441 [23:55:52] <TomTomTosch> olalonde: you are not meant to install binaries from sid, but compile the source package against the libs of your system. the bit sent you instructions.
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3443 [23:56:05] <TomTomTosch> s/bit/bot/
3444 [23:56:26] <olalonde> Ah, found this replaced-url
3445 [23:56:36] <olalonde> Oh ok thanks
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3447 [23:56:54] <TomTomTosch> olalonde: no, you have to create the backport yourself. jessie-backports does not have graphicsmagick
3448 [23:56:56] <jmcnaught> kevr: well, you are using some (custom?) init scripts that are missing LSB headers. And you're installing cgroupfs-mount, is that a dependency of docker? Are you on stretch?
3449 [23:57:01] <random_numbers> jjjjjjj
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3451 [23:57:16] <random_numbers> I'm sorry about that.
3452 [23:57:36] <olalonde> Looks complicated :( Is there any way to see the source content of a package?
3453 [23:57:37] <kevr> the init scripts that are missing LSB headers came from some package, which i believe was init-system-helpers
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3456 [23:57:47] <kevr> yes, it's a dependency of docker
3457 [23:57:49] <kevr> and
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3459 [23:58:06] <kevr> i'm on stretch indeed
3460 [23:58:13] <jmcnaught> !debian-next
3461 [23:58:13] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
3462 [23:58:26] <kevr> great
3463 [23:58:28] <kevr> so
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3466 [23:58:41] <TomTomTosch> olalonde: apt-get source <pkg> you need to install build-essential first.
3467 [23:58:43] <kevr> there's no standard solution for wiping out a package so i can use apt again?
3468 [23:58:47] <missmbob> we went from whatever wheezy uses to stretch/upstart. that was neat
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3470 [23:59:02] <jmcnaught> kevr: when you get to the correct channel for your release, you should also say whether you're using the Debian docker.io package, or the upstream Docker repo's packages
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3477 [23:59:23] <kevr> well, stretch has no debian-engine package
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