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0 [00:00:04] <ryouma> which behavior?
1 [00:00:15] <pingfloyd> but it's a good behavior for it require explicit selection for backports since the goal should be only packages from backports where necessary
2 [00:00:55] <ryouma> yeah, i'm ok with that, as long as i understand what it is doing (just no clue if running a backports linux-base, when backports kernel isn't even the same major version as regular kernel, is wise)
3 [00:00:57] <pingfloyd> backports aren't exactly the same level of rigorous testing as official stable packages
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7 [00:01:33] <ryouma> i figured linux-base could be incompatible. anyuway i get that you are saying i have to do -t backports or some similar option.
8 [00:01:41] <pingfloyd> hence why they should be used on a required basis where possible
9 [00:01:41] <ryouma> (or purge)
10 [00:02:16] <pingfloyd> I don't use aptitude much, but I think there is a way to direct it to include that needed version in its resolution
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15 [00:02:53] <ryouma> yeah, still sounds risky. my concern about purging is that my carefully-constructed-with-chroot backup partition might get screwed up by grub if i purge the backports kernel. i'm superstitious about such things having encountered apparent bugs.
16 [00:03:24] <pingfloyd> if you're feeling iffy, it's not a bad idea to take note the time and date (for log reference) of the change in case you need to go a different route later.
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22 [00:06:00] <pingfloyd> also, before committing to that, check out --log-level flag for aptitude
23 [00:06:14] <pingfloyd> since you're concerned, you might want to make it more verbose this time than normal
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26 [00:09:07] <ryouma> interesting. --log-level=info. or i could use apt-get.
27 [00:09:38] <ryouma> pingfloyd: however, the issue i am most concerned about is being able to boot at all. live distros really do not do it for me for accessibility reasons. hence my second partition, and hence my overwhelming fear of debian's debconf/grub/initramfs fanciness. this has been a problem before, and i have no indication that debian has gotten safer in this regard.
28 [00:10:01] <ryouma> the fanciness gets in the way of my backup partition really being intact
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33 [00:12:12] <mrrhq> Murphy's law.
34 [00:12:21] <mrrhq> But still, stable is your best bet for stability.
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41 [00:14:47] <ryouma> what would i do to find out whether 4.5+73~bpo8+1 was vuln?
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56 [00:17:16] <mrrhq> This looks like a Distro-agnostic way: replaced-url
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58 [00:17:30] <mrrhq> What's sad is that Android phones are also affected, I think.
59 [00:17:45] <Mahksy> well good night
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75 [00:21:55] <CuteMeOwnThroat> he must have a lot of time
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85 [00:27:49] <ryouma> mrrhq: that (testing the vuln) looks like a great way if (1) i rebooted to the possibly vulnerable kernel and (2) i trusted it. so if possible i would prefer to know whether a given debian backports kernel version is or is not vulnerable /a priori/ from some list someplace or some changelog.
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94 [00:33:27] <mrrhq> Yeah, the testing program is open-source, but it is third-party from Debian, so it's at your own risk. ;)
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99 [00:37:05] <TomTomTosch> ryouma: replaced-url
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104 [00:37:29] <TomTomTosch> ryouma: fixed in 4.7.8-1 so is 4.5+73~bpo8+1 vulnerable? - yes.
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106 [00:37:41] <n4dir> I never fully understand it, but apt-listbugs gives infos too
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111 [00:38:47] <ryouma> TomTomTosch: great, thanks, that looks fairly definitive
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114 [00:38:52] <kals> hello
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116 [00:39:55] <kals> I'm trying to set up a logical device with a linear mapping.
117 [00:40:16] <kals> But I when using dmsetup I keep getting this error:
118 [00:40:23] <kals> device-mapper: resume ioctl on wraparound failed: Invalid argument Command failed
119 [00:40:34] <kals> but when I* lol
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124 [00:44:14] <pingfloyd> ryouma: problems booting is always a potential issue. Always want a contingency for that. It should be a pretty rare issue though.
125 [00:44:37] <pingfloyd> especially rare in debian stable
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127 [00:47:11] <ryouma> pingfloyd: it was a huge issue for me. i thought i could just fairly straightforwardly create a stable, updated, trustworthy backup drive to boot from, even using chroot. so i still do not trust it. i run stable.
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133 [00:50:03] <mrrhq> it is a really good idea to have a live CD/USB of Debian anyway, even just to be able to use it to install it on another computer. There's so many uses for live Linux than just repair.
134 [00:50:28] <mrrhq> You can even make custom live images for Debian. That's a huge feature for me.
135 [00:50:39] <mrrhq> I can choose what software I want.
136 [00:50:48] <kals> nevermind. Apparently the actual error showed up using dmesg
137 [00:51:44] <Fluggs> debian has an install option to use mount points for /home, /var etc, right?
138 [00:51:57] <Fluggs> not sure atm, it's been a while
139 [00:52:52] <Fluggs> If so: how is that implemented? Is ist just entries in the fstab to mount the partition which is to be home at /home/user or is it more sophisticated?
140 [00:53:05] <n4dir> Fluggs: last time i used the installer: Yes, it has options
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143 [00:53:18] <n4dir> regarding mount points
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147 [00:53:48] <n4dir> sure, after installation you will have the according fstab entries.
148 [00:53:57] <mrrhq> Fluggs: I don't know about installing it in a non-standerd way, but Debian is known for pretty much the whole chroot thing since the early 1990's, so you can make a chroot, and install your system there.
149 [00:54:17] <Fluggs> I have seen things as /dev/mapper/archlinux-home in arch
150 [00:54:18] <mrrhq> I mean debootstrap, but also chrooting.
151 [00:54:46] <Fluggs> nah, it's about raspbian
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154 [00:55:23] <Fluggs> i want to do have a home partition on my raspberry pi, so I wanted to know how different distros implement that feature
155 [00:55:43] <mrrhq> /dev/mapper is just LVM2, so I guess you could edit fstab to point to those, for sure.
156 [00:55:44] <Fluggs> since Raspbian is just an image
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158 [00:55:53] <Fluggs> ah, LVM, that makes sense
159 [00:56:13] <Fluggs> I was asking a friend, he showed me his fstab
160 [00:56:15] <Fluggs> but he uses LVM
161 [00:56:31] <mrrhq> I prefer BTRFS subvolumes over LVM. :p
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163 [00:56:35] <mrrhq> Ahahaha.
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166 [00:57:05] <mrrhq> But it's great if you have more than one drive.
167 [00:57:38] <TomTomTosch> /dev/mapper/ is not only for LVM. and for raspbian you should ask the right channel.
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169 [00:57:44] <TomTomTosch> !raspbian
170 [00:57:45] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
171 [00:57:55] <Fluggs> yes, I know that raspbian != debian
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173 [00:58:14] <Fluggs> but I was interested in how debian does it
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176 [00:59:04] <mrrhq> Basically the same way Raspbian would, for the most part.
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178 [00:59:22] <mrrhq> The only reason I see Raspbian existing it for hard-float support on its ARM chip.
179 [00:59:27] <mrrhq> *is
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181 [00:59:40] <Fluggs> raspbian doesn't have that option, since they don't even have an installation routine
182 [01:00:15] <Fluggs> and you can get wolfram with raspbian
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184 [01:00:46] <mrrhq> Raspbian is basically just a debian debootstrap, the DTS, custom kernel, etc.. is all on the FAT32 boot directory.
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187 [01:01:25] <mrrhq> Maybe it also has the firmware/drivers, I dunno.
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189 [01:02:06] <Fluggs> yes, the GPIO pins are represented as files
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192 [01:02:39] <mrrhq> GPIO is defined with sysfs I believe.
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313 [01:50:31] <backnforth> Hi, I have Debian in a VM and I got an error sending me to emergency mode.. how should I go about fixing this?
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322 [01:56:03] <ksk> backnforth: you mean right after grub?
323 [01:56:05] <ksk> !fix_mbr
324 [01:56:15] <ksk> !tell backnforth about fix_mbr
325 [01:56:17] <jelly> backnforth: which error?
326 [01:56:30] <backnforth> Yes
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329 [01:57:08] <ksk> but yes, the detailed error message would be helpful, I was probably assuming too much :>
330 [01:57:54] <backnforth> How should I provide such a detailed error?
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338 [02:01:22] <jelly> !paste
339 [02:01:22] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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341 [02:02:10] <jelly> backnforth: upload screenshots to imgur or replaced-url
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355 [02:06:59] <backnforth> Oh, I fixed it
356 [02:07:04] <backnforth> My fstab was off
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550 [03:36:16] <zophyx> which freenode channel would discuss nvidia 3d glasses ?
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598 [03:55:53] <baphomet`> what do i write in terminal if i want to upgrade a program?
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607 [04:01:23] <datasmurf> baphomet`: apt-get upgrade
608 [04:01:56] <datasmurf> baphomet`: apt-get upgrade Programnameyouwanttoupdate
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614 [04:06:52] <nonet> I installed Debian KDE CD without connecting to a network and now everything is installed but I see no network-manager, no wicd, and generally absolutely no networking tool to allow me to connect to a wireless network. Is this normal? What should I do?
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622 [04:10:50] <datasmurf> nonet: lspci does it show a network controller?
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624 [04:11:45] <nonet> datasmurf: If I type iwconfig I can see the wireless card if that's what you mean (?)
625 [04:11:57] <dvs> nonet, if you have access to a wired network, I'd use that until you can set up your wireless connection.
626 [04:12:14] <nonet> dvs: i unfortunately only have wireless
627 [04:12:47] <nonet> i'm travelling
628 [04:12:56] <dvs> nonet, if you didnt use the firmware ISOs then you're SOL.
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634 [04:14:38] <nonet> i installed the Debian KDE CD. it asked me if I have any non-free firmware to install using removable media, to which I said I did not. Is that what you mean?
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636 [04:15:05] <nonet> i thought network-manager was supposed to be pre-installed.
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638 [04:15:25] <dvs> nonet, yes, most wireless controllers need firmware. Without it, it probably won't work.
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642 [04:17:37] <nonet> dvs: may i ask a really dumb question? what exactly do you mean by firmware in this context? does this mean manufacturer specific software drivers for the wireless card that i should've download to some NTFS format flash drive before installing?
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646 [04:19:11] <nonet> maybe i can use iwconfig and wpa_supplicant to get it connected
647 [04:19:30] <dvs> nonet, More wireless cards need a software blob in order for it to work. There is a (unofficial) Debian ISO which includes firmware for a lot of wireless cards.
648 [04:20:13] <dvs> nonet, Actually, I guess I should step back and ask what wireless chip/card you have?
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651 [04:21:04] <nonet> dvs: thanks. that makes sense. hmmm it does wlan0 is 802.11abg and it'sa Dell Latitude laptop. that's all i know at this point.
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654 [04:22:51] <dvs> nonet, What does "lspci -nn | grep -i net" say?
655 [04:22:53] <syco_> lspci | grep -i net
656 [04:23:00] <syco_> oops
657 [04:23:39] <dvs> not you!!!! ;-)
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659 [04:24:06] <nonet> dvs: (and syco_) great comman! it says it's a Broadcom NeXtreme ethernet card and a Intel PRO/Wirelress card
660 [04:24:22] <nonet> command*
661 [04:24:36] <dvs> i need the number in the square brackets
662 [04:24:51] <syco_> dvs, was just a bit slower than you ;p
663 [04:25:07] <nonet> dvs: specifically Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golang] and then the numbers are [8086:4222]
664 [04:25:29] <dvs> ,pciid 8086:4222
665 [04:25:30] <judd> [8086:4222] is 'PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel', 'iwl3945' in jessie. See also replaced-url
666 [04:26:16] <dvs> yup, you need firmware
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668 [04:26:30] <nonet> dvs: ok thanks so much for your help
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670 [04:27:05] <dvs> firmware-iwlwifi
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688 [04:34:34] <tax> hello
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690 [04:34:46] <tax> Hey
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693 [04:35:48] <tax> hello
694 [04:36:55] <somiaj> !ask
695 [04:36:56] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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698 [04:37:59] <tax> hello
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737 [04:56:45] <echosystm> so. fcron isn't available in jessie, but was in previous verisons of debian
738 [04:56:54] <echosystm> can anyon suggest an alternative that isn't anacron?
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750 [04:59:14] <RoyK> echosystm: doesn't look like fcron has been updated for a while
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752 [04:59:48] <echosystm> all i need is a way to make sure jobs run even when skipped
753 [04:59:57] <echosystm> a wrapper of some kind would be fine
754 [05:00:10] <RoyK> you can probably script that easily
755 [05:00:32] <echosystm> yeah i can, it just needs to be deployed to a lot of machines, so packaging it myself etc. is too hard
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757 [05:00:46] <echosystm> surely there's something out there for this lol
758 [05:00:58] <dvs> yeah, anacron
759 [05:01:00] * dvs runs
760 [05:01:05] <echosystm> anacron is the devil
761 [05:01:14] <RoyK> just use a configuration system like ansible to configure the hosts
762 [05:01:23] <echosystm> i already use ansible
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764 [05:01:31] <echosystm> i just don't want to have to edit every playbook
765 [05:01:44] <echosystm> it's an extra 4 lines and a github repo i dont want to have to maintain
766 [05:02:02] <echosystm> (for something that surely must have a standard solution)
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774 [05:10:43] <echosystm> ok looksl ike i'm writing a script
775 [05:10:46] <echosystm> \:D/
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777 [05:11:00] <echosystm> all good, thanks for the input dudes
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782 [05:15:02] <jmcnaught> echosystm: how often do the tasks need to run? cron on debian uses anacron (if it's installed) for scripts in /etc/cron.{daily,weekly,monthly}. Look at /etc/crontab to see how that works
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784 [05:16:04] <jmcnaught> so if the answer is daily or less frequently, just install anacron and drop scripts into those directories, you get the benefit of anacron but without having to touch it
785 [05:16:39] * missmbob curses google for #841373
786 [05:16:40] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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788 [05:18:40] <missmbob> not happy that it's so close to stretch freezing. hope they figure something ou t
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1019 [07:57:53] <sudosudosudo> new question: Is anyone able to assist with setting up wireless drivers for intel 8260 on debian 8.6 on a thinkpad?
1020 [07:58:00] <sudosudosudo> neb*
1021 [07:58:11] <sudosudosudo> newb*
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1024 [07:59:08] <ransur0t> you would need the iwlwifi package installed to start
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1026 [08:00:22] <sudosudosudo> ransur0t: How would I go about adding a repository for apt to get the package for me?
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1031 [08:02:43] <ransur0t> apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi
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1041 [08:09:25] <awal1> sudosudosudo, firmware-iwlwifi in in non-free
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1043 [08:09:58] <awal1> you need non-free component in your apt sources file if you dont have it yet
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1045 [08:10:24] <awal1> is in non-free ^
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1049 [08:11:13] <ransur0t> sudosudosudo: make sure you have 'jessie main contrib non-free' in your sources.list entry for jessie
1050 [08:11:37] <ransur0t> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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1080 [08:24:17] <sudosudosudo> ransur0t: Got it added. I pulled down and installed firmware iwlwifi.
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1085 [08:27:14] <sudosudosudo> ransur0t: I ran apt-get update && apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi and then modprobe -r iwlwifi ; mod probe iwlwifi
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1087 [08:28:09] <sudosudosudo> ransur0t: Those were in the documentation to run. I still don't see any ability to connect to wifi. Any idea where I went wrong?
1088 [08:28:45] <ransur0t> what desktop are you using?
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1090 [08:29:43] <ransur0t> try apt-cache policy network-manager-gnome
1091 [08:29:59] <ransur0t> you will want a gui app to manage wireless networks
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1094 [08:32:34] <sudosudosudo> installed 0.9.10.0-2
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1096 [08:34:12] <benlue> sudosudosudo, if you using network-manager please use your default network config :D
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1099 [08:35:13] <ransur0t> sudosudosudo: so, if it installed, is the applet added to gnome panel? if so, can you see available wireless networks?
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1102 [08:36:27] <sudosudosudo> ransur0t: I'm only seeing the ethernet connection. still no wireless gui. I am supposed to be running xfce
1103 [08:37:00] <awal1> an easy way: reboot
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1106 [08:37:47] <benlue> awal1, after mod probe iwlwifi?
1107 [08:37:52] <sudosudosudo> okay, rebooting. Let see if that helps :)
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1109 [08:38:28] <awal1> benlue, not necessarily, but just if any
1110 [08:38:33] <ransur0t> or ifconfig up wlan0
1111 [08:38:47] <ransur0t> err, wlan0 up
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1113 [08:39:07] <benlue> take a look in dmesg
1114 [08:39:24] <benlue> if any troubles with wifi
1115 [08:39:58] <sudosudosudo> after reboot all is the same
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1117 [08:40:15] <benlue> sudosudosudo, dmesg output?
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1125 [08:45:04] <benlue> sudo dmsg | grep -i wlan0
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1130 [08:47:27] <sudosudosudo> benlue: no output for sudo dmesg | grep -i wlan0
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1132 [08:48:17] <benlue> :/ Thats an Notebook or PC with WIFI Dongle?
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1135 [08:49:08] <sudosudosudo> Thinkpad t560. intel 8260 wireless card onboard
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1138 [08:49:42] <benlue> Realtec Inc?
1139 [08:49:49] <ransur0t> sudo modprobe -r iwlwifi
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1149 [08:51:02] <benlue> Ahh "intel" sorry
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1151 [08:51:26] <sudosudosudo> intel 8269NGW to be exact
1152 [08:51:36] <sudosudosudo> intel 8260NGW to be exact
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1154 [08:53:03] <sudosudosudo> ransur0t: mosprobe command does nothing for me
1155 [08:53:25] <benlue> sudosudosudo, are you root?
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1157 [08:53:32] <ransur0t> no output is good, just making sure module is loaded
1158 [08:53:36] <sudosudosudo> benlue: yes
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1160 [08:53:50] <sudosudosudo> ifconfig is only showing eth0
1161 [08:54:00] <sudosudosudo> and loopback
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1163 [08:54:14] <ransur0t> ifconfig wlan0 up
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1165 [08:54:49] <sudosudosudo> Error while getting interface flags: No such device
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1167 [08:55:52] <ransur0t> sudosudosudo: if on xfce, you may want to install wicd
1168 [08:57:15] <sudosudosudo> ransur0t: installing network manager right meow
1169 [08:57:42] <ransur0t> wicd may integrate better with xfce ...
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1180 [09:00:28] <sudosudosudo> ransur0t: rebooted. seeing wind but not seeing any wireless networks
1181 [09:01:06] <sudosudosudo> wicd
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1183 [09:02:14] <babilen> Isn't wicd dead (again) ?
1184 [09:02:54] <babilen> sudosudosudo: IIRC you have to configure the actual interface wicd should use
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1186 [09:03:36] <ransur0t> lspci -nn | grep Network
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1188 [09:03:48] <ransur0t> is your intel card listed?
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1190 [09:04:19] <sudosudosudo> ransur0t: intel card is not listed only eth0
1191 [09:04:29] <babilen> Installed firmware?
1192 [09:04:49] <sudosudosudo> babilen: my machine isn't seeing my wlan adapter
1193 [09:04:50] <babilen> Ah, if its not even listed there you might have a bigger problem
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1195 [09:05:05] <ransur0t> 8260 is supported in iwlwifi, not sure about 8269
1196 [09:05:05] <babilen> Which card is it?
1197 [09:05:14] <sudosudosudo> installed firmware
1198 [09:05:19] <sudosudosudo> intel 8260
1199 [09:05:31] <babilen> Ah, a T560 .. which kernel are you using, sudosudosudo ?
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1204 [09:06:54] <sudosudosudo> yes t560 :) I'm running Jessie 8.6 with 3.16.0.4
1205 [09:07:02] <sudosudosudo> think the kernel is too old?
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1207 [09:07:12] <babilen> You definitely need a newer kernel
1208 [09:07:16] <babilen> dpkg: bdo kernel
1209 [09:07:16] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
1210 [09:07:38] <babilen> (along with a bunch of other newer software - that hardware is considerably newer than jessie)
1211 [09:07:54] <babilen> I run stretch/sid on that platform and it works well
1212 [09:07:57] <sudosudosudo> yeah, this machine was built two months ago
1213 [09:08:22] <sudosudosudo> I'm such a newb i was just wanting to run a stable release.
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1216 [09:08:42] <babilen> Sure, I totally understand that, but the hardware was released after the kernel you are running was finalised.
1217 [09:08:54] <babilen> Is the graphic side working well?
1218 [09:09:12] <sudosudosudo> what would you recommend?
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1220 [09:09:33] <sudosudosudo> Honestly it looks okay. I haven't really dug too much into the graphics
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1222 [09:09:37] <babilen> I'd recommend installing a backported kernel, firmware and microcode from jessie-backports to begin with
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1224 [09:11:34] <babilen> An entry such as "deb replaced-url
1225 [09:11:56] <babilen> You'd add that line to /etc/apt/sources.list
1226 [09:12:24] <kirabi> /msg NickServ REGISTER S3cu7ity! ldmw2k-offsec@yahoo.com
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1231 [09:13:18] <babilen> kirabi: You might want to do that in a /query, choose a better password and setup CertFP to begin with.
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1234 [09:14:24] <kirabi> bailen thanks just testing the instructions
1235 [09:14:34] <kirabi> this kinda confusing
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1237 [09:15:00] <babilen> kirabi: It's a good rule of thumb to always /query nickserv (and other services) rather than /msg'ing them :)
1238 [09:15:30] <ransur0t> babilen: is there a way on freenode to auto-identify using ssl cert like on OFTC?
1239 [09:15:38] <kirabi> i reaized that I was doing it on debian
1240 [09:15:51] <kirabi> maybe should have done it on freenode
1241 [09:15:52] <babilen> ransur0t: There is, it supports CertFP and SASL
1242 [09:15:58] * babilen recommends CertFP
1243 [09:15:58] <kirabi> instructions on very clear
1244 [09:16:25] <babilen> Either way this isn't particularly on-topic in #debian. Feel free to ask in #freenode or #help
1245 [09:16:39] <ransur0t> thx, I'll look into it ... I tried to setup like oftc, didn't work ;)
1246 [09:16:44] <ransur0t> right, gotcha
1247 [09:16:50] <babilen> np
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1250 [09:17:43] <kirabi> /query NickServ
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1330 [09:52:28] <donttrustem> morning guys, I am trying to debug a cifs mount issue but not having much luck in finding why I am getting this when I run mount -a mount: failed to parse mount options
1331 [09:53:20] <donttrustem> is there a debug mode for mount
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1337 [09:57:57] <nbags> donttrustem: whats in your mount options? can u add/remove them one-by-one to eliminate the problematic one?
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1339 [09:58:13] <donttrustem> nbags: found the issue :)
1340 [09:58:19] <donttrustem> bloody typo
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1383 [10:17:54] <atrament> hello, I see the glinka machine (serving manpages) is not serving manpages... I don't know where to report it to the proper admin
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1386 [10:20:00] <ahmed751995> excuse me , when will debian "stretch " release as stable ?
1387 [10:20:50] <atrament> ahmed751995: as far as I know "when it will be ready", which typically takes about 1.5-2years
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1390 [10:24:55] <ahmed751995> atrament: there is no releasing date ?
1391 [10:25:49] <atrament> no, but you can use it anyway, testing / stretch is okay for everyday use in most aspects
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1393 [10:27:11] <ahmed751995> atrament: thanks alot
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1402 [10:29:23] <atrament> if you track it by codename in your /etc/apt/sources, you will be good when it releases anyway
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1408 [10:31:55] <r3m1> hi
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1414 [10:32:28] <r3m1> how to add a directory to LD_LIBRARY_PATH for all users ?
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1420 [10:34:10] <r3m1> I 'm used to add some custom dir in the bashrc for example
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1425 [10:35:32] <r3m1> but I have an embedded computer running debian 7, and I put some custom executables in /usr/local/bin
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1427 [10:36:09] <r3m1> which use libraries that I put in /usr/local/lib
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1429 [10:36:34] <r3m1> strangely enough, the exec cant load the libraries without manually updating LD_LIBRARY_PATH
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1431 [10:37:05] <r3m1> I would like the system to add /usr/local/lib to LD_LIBRARY_PATH at all time at startup
1432 [10:37:15] <r3m1> end of monolog
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1440 [10:39:11] <yossarianuk> hi - just wondering if anyone can help me with postfix relay (on debian systems)..
1441 [10:39:18] <yossarianuk> I have a few vm s which have no valid DNS, I have whitelisted one vm to send to our exchange server, and that works fine, how can I use the server that is whitelisted to relay mail from the others?
1442 [10:39:26] <yossarianuk> it is possible to forward mail to my whitelisted vm, as if the email was being sent via that ?
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1467 [10:46:18] <n0wh3re> so, Im having trouble with my wifi. having to use m@cchanger to get temp wifi. Trying to install parrot to an extra internal ssd alongside windows but its saying the contents cannot be found from the cd even though its usb.. but would it be possible, to install vanilla debian, and just copy the packages out of my parr0t liveusb? for installation on vanilla debian?
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1471 [10:47:30] <n0wh3re> Im having trouble with the gnu-versions reverting back to the permenant address. so i figured i would install parrot and *revert* it keeping the tools i need while having an active connection.
1472 [10:48:12] <n0wh3re> if thats possible? or what should i do. as i dont have the tools needed or i would start fresh.
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1482 [10:52:02] <jelly> n0wh3re: what's parr0t?
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1484 [10:52:14] <n0wh3re> security based distro like kali
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1486 [10:52:21] <n0wh3re> frozenbox
1487 [10:52:25] <jelly> why not ask them?
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1489 [10:52:48] <n0wh3re> its debian based.
1490 [10:52:53] <n0wh3re> i did. :)
1491 [10:53:42] <babilen> dpkg: based on debian
1492 [10:53:43] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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1494 [10:54:35] <n0wh3re> okies, friend -
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1496 [10:55:04] <PTO_> systemd: Job dev-pve-data.device/start timeout. What can cause this to fail? A manual mount /var/lib/vz (from fstab) works.
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1507 [10:59:38] <jelly> PTO_: which debian release is this? Are you running a custom kernel?
1508 [10:59:52] <PTO_> Jessie
1509 [11:00:09] <PTO_> I run proxmox ve build of jessie
1510 [11:00:15] <PTO_> *fresh install
1511 [11:00:34] <jelly> um, proxmox makes so many changes it can't really be considered debian any more
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1513 [11:00:37] <jelly> !proxmox
1514 [11:00:37] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
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1516 [11:01:12] <PTO_> I can try there, but a lot of google posts suggest its a debian problem
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1518 [11:01:50] <jelly> it's possible, and if you can reproduce it on an actual Debian installation we'll try to help
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1520 [11:02:39] <PTO_> I will try the proxmox channel first, then i will try and reproduce. Thx anyway
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1652 [12:10:11] <gebruiker> how can I remove a task, including the dependencies?
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1750 [13:05:58] <d3xter> hey guys. is there any cli which lets me backup specific configuration files easily? (apart from "cp" ^^)
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1754 [13:09:55] <bezaban> d3fc0n: cat.. what requirements do you have that cp doesn't fulfill?
1755 [13:10:02] <bezaban> d3fc0n: sorry
1756 [13:10:07] <bezaban> d3xter: ^
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1770 [13:18:32] <jelly> d3xter: etckeeper ?
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1776 [13:22:50] <TrevorH> I've just done the wheezy->jessie update on my little arm box and I was expecting /etc/init.d to be almost empty but I have a lot of files left in there that appear to duplicate things that are also under /lib/systemd/system - is that expected?
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1779 [13:23:19] <TrevorH> for example I have /etc/init.d/bind9 and /lib/system/system/bind9.service
1780 [13:24:10] <TomTomTo1> TrevorH: the package in jessie still provides the init script.
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1783 [13:24:59] <TrevorH> so how do I know that it won't attempt to start it twice?
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1789 [13:27:40] <d3xter> TrevorH: either systemd or init will start as pid1, not both
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1791 [13:28:10] <d3xter> bezaban: versioning, remote backups is what i'm missing right now
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1794 [13:28:38] <TomTomTo1> i think the init script is not being run if a unit file of the same name has been found. but i'm not entirely sure.
1795 [13:28:42] <d3xter> jelly: its seems like it manages the whole /etc-folder
1796 [13:29:00] <jelly> d3xter: I bet it can be configured!
1797 [13:29:07] <TrevorH> pid 1 is /sbin/init which is a symlink to /lib/systemd/systemd
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1800 [13:30:14] <d3xter> jelly: hm, yeah probably with .gitignore and stuff. will check it out
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1802 [13:30:42] <bezaban> d3xter: there are lots of alternatives, currenlty I use a homegrown script as a frontend to rdiff-backup
1803 [13:31:02] <d3xter> TrevorH: did you take a look inside the bind9 init-script? IIRC on jessie the init-scripts just call systemd if it is running
1804 [13:31:10] <bezaban> if I could only remember one that was mentioned here that I wanted to check out..
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1806 [13:31:32] <jelly> TrevorH: packages in jessie that have support for both systemd services and init scripts all have wrapper code to use systemd stuff when available
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1808 [13:31:57] <jelly> TrevorH: this is probably documented in the release notes, but I can't be bothered to look it up
1809 [13:32:31] <jelly> !sing sussudio
1810 [13:32:31] * dpkg sings "Su, su, sudio...Su, su, sussudio"
1811 [13:32:34] <TrevorH> I saw stuff about removing old files which I did and I'm still left with 52 files in there
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1813 [13:33:23] <jelly> TrevorH: that's fine. However, it's better to purge any packages that got removed but still have leftover stuff in /etc/init.d/
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1819 [13:34:23] <jelly> !purge
1820 [13:34:23] <dpkg> "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use «aptitude purge $package» or «dpkg -P $package» (note: before wheezy, you can't 'apt-get purge' a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: «aptitude purge '~c'». To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>.
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1824 [13:36:25] <TrevorH> I'm used to CentOS 7 which also uses systemd and there I have the grand total of 5 files in that directory and 2 of those aren't real initscripts
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1828 [13:37:38] <jelly> most packages in debian try to keep support for bot systemd and sysvinit available, so users can pick whichever
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1832 [13:37:50] <jelly> both*
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1835 [13:38:07] <gr8> Hi, I want to get the latest firefox version that is available for GNU/Linux. Can i get that via replaced-url
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1837 [13:38:22] <gr8> I mean, jessie-backports
1838 [13:38:30] <TrevorH> yeah, we have a similar idea in CentOS but the packages there tend to be of the form e.g. clamav-systemd and clamav-sysvinit
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1840 [13:39:43] <TrevorH> well they all appear to be owned by installed packages so it looks like it's as designed
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1842 [13:42:02] <jelly> gr8: go to replaced-url
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1849 [13:45:55] <gr8> jelly: The problem is I get: W: GPG error: replaced-url
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1852 [13:47:16] <jelly> gr8: that's explained on the web page.
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1857 [13:48:34] <jelly> gr8: install pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring
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1859 [13:48:58] <gr8> Yeah. After the check command given I get: gpg: keyblock resource `/usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg': file open error
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1861 [13:49:10] <jelly> you don't have to check it, really
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1864 [13:49:51] <jelly> if you choose to, > (requires the debian-keyring package to be installed)
1865 [13:50:06] <gr8> well. ok it works now
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1867 [13:50:41] <gr8> but the version I get from that is still 45.4.0 which I had before
1868 [13:50:43] <jelly> but pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring is available in normal jessie repo, so you have some sort of trust path without having to manually download .deb or .asc
1869 [13:51:11] <jelly> gr8: run "apt-get update". Then run "apt-cache policy firefox"
1870 [13:51:45] <jelly> gr8: then figure out if you want firefox-esr to remain installed
1871 [13:52:10] <gr8> eh. It says I didn't have firefox installed
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1873 [13:52:22] <gr8> but I've been using it all the time lol
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1875 [13:52:57] <gr8> oh, no I've been using firefox-esr
1876 [13:52:58] <jelly> You have firefox-esr package installed
1877 [13:53:01] <gr8> yup
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1879 [13:54:09] <gr8> ok awesome! Thanks for your help :)
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1881 [13:54:37] <gr8> I guess I can purge firefox-esr now?
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1883 [13:55:05] <gr8> wow the new version is noticeable faster
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1886 [13:57:06] <TomTomTo1> it's possible that you have packages that depend on firefox-esr. gnome is an example.
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1890 [13:57:53] <TomTomTo1> so at least take a look at what apt tries to remove, if you do so.
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1898 [14:01:00] <gry> i broke my sound again, alsa-base is installed, amixer has everything up to the top, built-in and headset both make no sound. where do i go from there? how do i troubleshoot?
1899 [14:01:15] <gry> i use it so rarely that i can't tell when i broke it, yesterday or a month ago
1900 [14:01:52] <jelly> gry: which debian release?
1901 [14:01:56] <jelly> !alsa checklist
1902 [14:01:56] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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2054 [14:31:49] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps
2055 [14:32:06] <Eryn_1983_FL> i keep getting alot of nmt watchdog hack lockup on cpu #
2056 [14:32:13] <Eryn_1983_FL> for my asus laptop
2057 [14:32:29] <Eryn_1983_FL> X205T
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2066 [14:35:45] <merethan> Hi all
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2109 [14:38:02] <merethan> Do any of you know a good userspace fatfs library in Cpp? It needs to translate raw disk access to a dir/file structure and enable me to read file contents.
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2126 [14:44:34] <Fluggonaut> !why aptitude
2127 [14:44:34] <dpkg> aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>). replaced-url
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2261 [15:42:43] <cylince> hi folks, i'm looking for some direction on capturing traffic from a cisco span port using tcpdump
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2266 [15:43:31] <ChrisH> cylince: what is special about a 'cisco span' port?
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2281 [15:48:11] <ElPasmo> Hi all, I'm just did a fresh install of debian (1st time, coming from ubuntu) and I'm having problems building my WiFi driver. I'm using a broadcom BCM43224 and when I try to 'make' the driver I get an error: "implicit declaration of function 'rdtscl'". I've installed build-essential and linux-headers-4.7.0-1-686-pae. I don't know how to proceed from here.
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2290 [15:50:02] <cylince> nothing special about the span port
2291 [15:50:28] <cylince> I think the kernel is unable to process the packets
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2303 [15:55:31] <ChrisH> ElPasmo: run /msg dpkg b43 ; then follow the ideas offered by the bot.
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2305 [15:55:49] <ElPasmo> ty ChrisH
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2311 [15:57:33] <ChrisH> ElPasmo: if there are still question, continue to ask here with more details
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2318 [15:59:39] <ChrisH> cylince: Special is: SPAN seems to be the port monitoring offered by Cisco. I googled for cisco span wireshark and found this information. Do you see traffic using tcpdump or not? tcpdump is not expected to understand whats coming in.
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2325 [16:01:42] <cylince> I'm able to run tcpdump and see the traffic, but i think the kernel is dropping some of the traffic due to high throughput
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2334 [16:04:18] <cylince> ChrisH I think netstat will show me dropped traffic
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2339 [16:05:03] <cylince> Do you or anyone else on here know if the kernal can handle high throughput. I don't think it's a problem with tcpdump??
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2356 [16:09:31] <ChrisH> Normal approach is: tcpdump -w FILENAME -i interface SOME-FILTERS and then use wireshark to analyse. the kernel should be able to handle currrent 1GB and 10GBit/s Port speed... unless you are not running Pentium III with IDE Disk
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2377 [16:15:00] <cylince> ok, let me check on the cpu/disk
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2466 [16:52:04] <Stadtpirat> Hey people, I have trouble with bash-completion on Debian 8. It works for all commands I know, except for 'apt'. 'apt <TAB>' just lists all files in the current directory. ('apt-get <TAB>' works perfectly, by the way). Any ideas?
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2468 [16:53:06] <croddy> Stadtpirat i've noticed that too. i don't think yours is broken, but that the completion data just needs to be improved for the 'apt' command
2469 [16:53:33] <greycat> Sounds like you want to file a bug report. Not sure whether that belongs to the apt package, or the bash-completion package.
2470 [16:54:22] <Stadtpirat> croddy, Ah great, so it is not only me. THanks for the reply.
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2474 [16:56:07] <croddy> interestingly i can't find anything immediately obvious that provides the completions that *are* working.
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2477 [16:56:45] <gebruiker> !backport xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin
2478 [16:56:57] <gebruiker> !check-backport xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin
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2480 [16:57:14] <croddy> oh, my completions are working for some commands because i switched to zsh a few months ago. right.
2481 [16:57:16] <Stadtpirat> looking in /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/ it has no file 'apt'.
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2483 [16:57:20] <croddy> i think the bug should be filed against bash-completion.
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2506 [17:04:38] <cruncher> i would say against apt, as it has its own completion file
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2510 [17:05:01] <cruncher> the one from apt-get is installed by package bash-completion
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2512 [17:07:20] <jelly> gebruiker: you probably want /msg judd checkbackport xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin
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2528 [17:13:56] <cruncher> well, respectively there is the problem, thee is no bash-completion file in apt in stable
2529 [17:14:02] <cruncher> *there
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2536 [17:16:11] <zee> Debian 8.6 - My SSH hangs/freezes when I do commands such as ls, or use mc etc.
2537 [17:16:23] <zee> have anyone else experienced this before?
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2539 [17:17:22] <spacebug^> zee: not me. Only when using SSH? From the machine or to? Or both?
2540 [17:17:41] <zee> To the machine.
2541 [17:17:46] <spacebug^> hum ok
2542 [17:18:03] <zee> Everything is fine, as long as I dont do commands, that lists more than 5-7 lines
2543 [17:18:07] <greycat> sounds like it *might* be networking related (MTU?)
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2545 [17:18:26] <zee> When I go into a directory, and LS it, if it has more than 5-6 lines to show me, the connection hangs/dies/freezes
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2547 [17:19:02] <zee> I also noticed, that when I do FTP from this server, to another server, I get connection refused etc, when I want to LS on the remote server
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2555 [17:21:04] <spacebug^> zee: the last thing has to do with active/passive transfer and if one or both machines are behind a router/firewall. To fix this open a port range (usually on the server) for connections used when trasfer files. Also specify the same port range in the server config
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2560 [17:21:45] <zee> we havent gotten this issue on any other servers!
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2562 [17:22:05] <Stadtpirat> Is the problematic server in the same network as the others?
2563 [17:22:19] <greycat> if it's not just ssh then this definitely points toward network interface misconfiguration
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2566 [17:23:39] <zee> I guess you could say that. We have 25 servers with hetzner
2567 [17:23:48] <zee> so, a part of the same network - probably
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2578 [17:27:43] <cruncher> Stadtpirat, i didnt mention your name before, hope you read it
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2584 [17:28:56] <Stadtpirat> cruncher, no i didn't, thanks. Yeah, there isn't. But there also is none in replaced-url
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2587 [17:29:35] <Stadtpirat> cruncher, I am out of the loop. Isn't apt relatively new? Haven't used that in ages and in Debian 8 bam it is there all of a sudden. (I was using debian 6 previously)
2588 [17:29:47] <cruncher> Stadtpirat, as i said, the completion file for apt is in the apt package, not in bash-compeltion
2589 [17:29:55] <cruncher> dont ask me why
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2591 [17:30:05] <Stadtpirat> cruncher, oh now I understand
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2594 [17:30:33] <zee> What the heck is going on!! Why does the ssh connection freeze/die/whatever when I do this!
2595 [17:30:54] <zee> I have never, ever experienced this
2596 [17:30:58] <cruncher> zee, does it happen as well when connecting from another machine?
2597 [17:31:02] <zee> yea
2598 [17:31:07] <greycat> Stadtpirat: yes, the apt command is new. In wheezy?
2599 [17:31:09] <zee> From everywhere
2600 [17:31:15] <greycat> No, new in jessie.
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2602 [17:32:09] <greycat> zee: you can check the MTU with "ip link show" but this is not really my strong suit.
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2604 [17:32:29] <cruncher> zee, did you check the mtu like greycat suggested?
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2606 [17:32:38] <zee> MTU is 1500
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2608 [17:32:50] <greycat> sounds normal
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2612 [17:33:17] <greycat> Not sure how to advise you to check the duplex... there are multiple commands and it seems to depend on which driver it's using.
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2614 [17:33:44] <Stadtpirat> I used aptitude previously because I often type apt-get search when I want to type apt-cache search. Problem solved with apt, too. But apt search returns such an ugly list, especially when more than 6 results. What are your opinions on that? Just curious. What package manager do you prefer?
2615 [17:33:47] <greycat> Are the other servers on that same network also using MTU 1500?
2616 [17:33:53] <zee> yes
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2618 [17:33:59] <zee> Everything is 1500
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2623 [17:34:25] <zee> Its like... "Too much information has to be shown - so Ill just shut down the SSH connection"
2624 [17:34:26] <Stadtpirat> zee, is the server new or already in production?
2625 [17:34:30] <zee> in production
2626 [17:34:37] <Stadtpirat> so its a sudden change?
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2629 [17:35:01] <zee> Yes Stadtpirat
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2636 [17:36:35] <zee> I guess I could try and lower the MTU with 20 bytes..
2637 [17:37:16] <jelly> |ifei5g00d, |ifei5g0_: your real ip address is peeking out.
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2647 [17:40:20] <veek> how do you search debian's bug db by email - trying to locate a bug i filed
2648 [17:40:25] <veek> using reportbug
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2653 [17:41:12] <cruncher> zee, are your clients debian too?
2654 [17:41:28] <zee> I am connecting to the servers, via a VPN
2655 [17:41:43] <zee> so It might be an MTU issue with the VPN
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2659 [17:43:04] <cruncher> veek, replaced-url
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2663 [17:43:19] <cruncher> although i dont know if its possible to search for email
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2667 [17:43:43] <veek> yeah .. saw that.. very irritating because i just filed it a few days back
2668 [17:43:53] <veek> and who knows where it's gone
2669 [17:44:27] <veek> reportbug should keep the numbers somewhere .config/?
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2674 [17:46:56] <veek> it's not listing anything.. it was in unattended.. my laptop freezes randomly
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2676 [17:47:34] <veek> ah 'unattended-upgrades'
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2679 [17:47:57] <cruncher> veek, but you got an emaila fter filing, didnt you? you deleted them?
2680 [17:48:16] <veek> ah hmm i don't remember seeing it lemme check
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2685 [17:51:11] <veek> ah well.. nothings done about it
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2688 [17:51:42] <ghoti> So .. I have a terminal that is iTerm2 on a Mac. My cursor is an inverse block. I SSH in to a server and re-attach a GNU Screen session, and I have no cursor. Within screen, I can `reset` to reset my terminal, but it doesn't bring back the block cursor.
2689 [17:51:58] <ghoti> Is there a VT100 sequence or something that I can use to define what cursor my terminal should be showing?
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2692 [17:53:07] <greycat> ghoti: that would depend on the terminal
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2696 [17:53:45] <ghoti> greycat: that's why I mentioned iTerm2 and GNU Screen.
2697 [17:53:57] <greycat> Oh. There were multiple lines. I see.
2698 [17:54:16] <greycat> I don't know anything about iTerm2.
2699 [17:54:26] <ghoti> It's "just another terminal emulator".
2700 [17:54:35] <ghoti> The same thing happens to me sometimes using xterm.
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2703 [17:54:58] <greycat> if you're just looking to restore cursor visibility after some app has issues the "cursor_invisible" command, try tput cnorm
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2705 [17:55:28] <ghoti> WORKED! Awesome. Thank you very much!
2706 [17:55:29] <greycat> (the other direction: tput civis)
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2726 [18:03:31] <cruncher> zee, try ping -c 4 -M do -s 1472 ip (ip being the ip address of the ssh server)
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2756 [18:13:45] <CtrlC> Is there any way to have a non interactive "dpkg-reconfigure locales"?
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2771 [18:19:55] <cruncher> CtrlC, dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive locales
2772 [18:20:28] <cruncher> CtrlC, but you could have looked that up yourself with man dpkg-reconfigure
2773 [18:20:50] <CtrlC> right. Thank you.
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3051 [19:10:05] <nmschulte> I'm using openconnect to connect to a Cisco AnyConnect VPN solution. I'm wondering how I can use/create a vpnc script that doesn't tunnell all traffic through the VPN. I know how to configure things post-facto, manually, but it seems that in order to avoid network interrupts I need to prevent vpnc-script from doing it in the first place. Any thoughts?
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3119 [19:28:26] <nmschulte> replaced-url
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3170 [19:46:07] <sweb> i need to run ftp server on debian with no system users ... which package is better for that ... ?
3171 [19:47:01] <sweb> for example simple txtfile for user:password:jailpath
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3173 [19:47:14] <somiaj> might depend on use, but vsftpd might fit your needs. I usually suggest sftp over ssh if at all possible
3174 [19:47:16] <sweb> user : password : jailpath
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3177 [19:47:43] <sweb> somiaj: i dont wanna create system user for my ftp access
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3180 [19:49:14] <somiaj> sweb: have you seen if vsftpd lets you create users internally to it.
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3193 [19:51:42] <somiaj> sweb: replaced-url
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3195 [19:52:23] <sweb> somiaj: thank you i will try it
3196 [19:53:04] <greycat> Why is anyone setting up a new FTP server in 2016?
3197 [19:53:26] <spar01101011> i want to play a game with a 32-bit libGL dependency on Jessie. B.c. of kernel+drivers backports (that i need) its unviable to install with apt. Any idears / tricks?
3198 [19:53:53] <Anselmo> because ftp can be useful sometimes. . .
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3202 [19:55:01] <somiaj> spar01101011: have you enabled multiarc? What graphic drivers / gl libaries are you using?
3203 [19:55:06] <somiaj> !multiarch
3204 [19:55:07] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
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3210 [19:57:20] <spar01101011> somiaj, yup oc i added i386 bit. Im unsure of all the dependencies but atm. the gamebreaker is libgl1-mesa-swx11-i686:i386 -> depends on libgl1-mesa-swx11 which is not compatible with my backported nvidia kernel blob.
3211 [19:57:45] <somiaj> spar01101011: you just need the 32bit libgl stuff for nvidia from jessie-backports
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3215 [19:58:19] <somiaj> ,v libgl1-nvidia-glx
3216 [19:58:20] <judd> Package: libgl1-nvidia-glx on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-10~bpo8+2; stretch/non-free: 367.44-3; sid/non-free: 367.44-3; experimental/non-free: 370.28-1
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3219 [19:58:46] <somiaj> spar01101011: if using the nvidia non-free driver, apt-get -t jessie-backports install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386
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3225 [20:01:02] <spar01101011> somiaj, thank you! It didn't show up in the apt listing for some reason. Il be sure to check with the webpage instead next time.
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3231 [20:02:56] <datasmurf> Hello debians, debian does not send local mails about the system status aka daily logs to the root account by default? Or did i mess up something?
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3236 [20:05:32] <irandms> datasmurf: You can set up logwatch to do that, but afaik there isn't any default to do anything like that.
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3238 [20:05:49] <irandms> !logwatch
3239 [20:05:50] <dpkg> Logwatch is a modular log analyser, which runs via cron each day, parses _yesterday_'s log files by default and returns summarised log output by service. Empty /etc/logwatch/* directories are intentional, see /usr/share/doc/logwatch/HOWTO-Customize-LogWatch.gz. replaced-url
3240 [20:05:56] <somiaj> datasmurf: only a few things send emails to root by default on a debian system (at least for mine)
3241 [20:06:00] <spar01101011> it puzzles me that some i386 packages is in the apt-cache and some are not.
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3243 [20:06:36] <somiaj> spar01101011: there are some i386 only packages that are not in amd64. But usually a package can be both.
3244 [20:06:50] <datasmurf> okay thx i'll have a look at logwatch and a deeper look at the syslog facilities on debian
3245 [20:06:51] <somiaj> spar01101011: check apt-cache show packagename foo, it should show you both.
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3248 [20:07:39] <spar01101011> somiaj, makes sense. Thx!
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3276 [20:17:31] <elliot007> hey I'm trying lightdm and wondering how to enable lightdm-webkit2-greeter
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3286 [20:23:36] <awal1> elliot007, lightdm config is /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
3287 [20:24:31] <elliot007> awal1: but its not installed i guess, there is no package for lightdm-webkit2-greeter,
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3293 [20:26:43] <awal1> elliot007, no trace of that pkg in debian. what that pkg does exactly?
3294 [20:27:20] <awal1> ,v lightdm-webkit2-greeter
3295 [20:27:21] <judd> No package named 'lightdm-webkit2-greeter' was found in amd64.
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3297 [20:27:52] <elliot007> i don't exactly know but its like webkit2 greeter, i'm trying to install a theme for lightdm and it asked me to enable webkit2-greeter
3298 [20:28:13] <yell0w_viper> Hey, I'm using "iptables -I INPUT -s xx.xxx.xxx.xxx -j DROP" but it's not working (still letting the IP through) any ideas?
3299 [20:28:50] <elliot007> replaced-url
3300 [20:29:08] <awal1> elliot007, no clue. I use wdm
3301 [20:29:52] <elliot007> awal1: is it lightweight??
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3303 [20:30:59] <awal1> elliot007, sure. lighter then lightdm
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3308 [20:33:29] <elliot007> is it like discontinued I'm not able to find much about it
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3310 [20:34:21] <greycat> ,v wdm
3311 [20:34:22] <judd> Package: wdm on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.28-13+deb7u1; jessie: 1.28-17; stretch: 1.28-19; sid: 1.28-19
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3338 [20:47:25] <awal1> elliot007, not discontinued
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3340 [20:47:51] <awal1> still maintained by Exel Beckert
3341 [20:49:05] <awal1> Axel Beckert
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3354 [20:54:34] <teraflops> ,v midori
3355 [20:54:35] <judd> Package: midori on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.4.3+dfsg-0.1; jessie-backports: 0.5.11-ds1-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.5.11-ds1-4; sid: 0.5.11-ds1-4; experimental: 0.5.12~wk2-exp1
3356 [20:54:38] <TomTomTo1> wdm has been dead for about ten years.
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3358 [20:55:12] <greycat> Does "dead" mean "stable"?
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3360 [20:55:41] <teraflops> a debian package being maintained does not mean the software itself is still maintained
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3362 [20:56:01] <teraflops> look at midori., xchat2 and so on
3363 [20:56:31] <missmbob> xchat2 should be removed
3364 [20:56:32] <TomTomTo1> i guess it might mean it reached a state of perfection in 2005 and therefor doesn't need further development, but i doubt it.
3365 [20:57:12] <teraflops> nah it happens everywhere. it's not a debian thing
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3367 [20:57:21] <greycat> If it does what you want, then why does it have to be *changed* all the time?
3368 [20:57:21] <teraflops> TomTomTo1: hehe
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3371 [20:58:42] <teraflops> greycat: well what about patching for bugs?
3372 [20:58:52] <teraflops> taking care of *
3373 [20:58:54] <greycat> Sure, if you find some.
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3375 [21:01:16] <teraflops> I think packagers/maintainer are sentimental. that's why you find enclosed. good xchat2 in debian repos :P
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3380 [21:01:49] <teraflops> oops I meant xchat
3381 [21:01:57] <awal1> replaced-url
3382 [21:01:58] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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3384 [21:02:09] <teraflops> sorry I'm on the smart assume phone
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3392 [21:05:24] <n4dir> "why does it have to be changed all the time" is a mighty good question in my book. Many things come to mind.
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3394 [21:05:56] <greycat> I don't use a display manager, but if you use wdm and if it does what you want, then by all means enjoy it.
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3404 [21:09:35] <spar01101011> greycat, don't use a display manager?
3405 [21:09:53] <greycat> I login on the text console and type startx.
3406 [21:09:58] <n4dir> me too
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3410 [21:11:00] <spar01101011> ah sure. oldschool.
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3413 [21:11:56] <n4dir> well: i never could figure out what is the purpose of a display-manager (the advantage ).
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3416 [21:12:26] <greycat> If you have a bunch of dumb X terminals, and if you run XDMCP from the display manager...
3417 [21:12:35] <greycat> but almost nobody does that now.
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3419 [21:13:14] <n4dir> yeah, i heard of situations where a display manager can be handy. But nothing i do anyway.
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3421 [21:13:19] <yann-kaelig> That work. I have changed the level to 9, got my gtkterm for stretch :)
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3434 [21:18:04] <yann-kaelig> well, really nice the tools on debian.
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3436 [21:18:29] <ar1el> hey someone help me ... i want do find files in *.xml with contains one determined string e change with sed
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3438 [21:18:40] <ar1el> find /opt/java -iname *.xml -exec grep -i --color '10.20.100.41:50000/PG5TESTE' {} \; && sed s/'10.20.100.41:50000\/PG5TESTE:deferPrepares=0;enableSysplexWLB=true;enableAlternateServerListFirstConnect=true;clientRerouteAlternateServerName=10.20.100.41,10.20.100.42;clientRerouteAlternatePortNumber=50000,50000;maxRetriesForClientReroute=2;retryIntervalForClientReroute=5'/'10.20.100.122:50100\/PG5TESTE:deferPrepares=0'/g
3439 [21:18:43] <ar1el> what's wrong
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3441 [21:18:56] <ar1el> i can use | xargs ?
3442 [21:19:11] <LearnerWind> Hi. If i install 'firmware-realtek' will my computer be slower than if i install only: 'rtl_nic/rtl8411-1.fw' ?
3443 [21:19:29] <greycat> Your quoting in your sed command is insane....
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3445 [21:19:53] <ar1el> but works... he don't take the output only
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3447 [21:20:03] <greycat> More to the point, your sed command doesn't appear to give any *filenames* as arguments. So it's just going to filter stdin. So it's probably waiting for you to type some input.
3448 [21:20:45] <greycat> Next bug: your glob "*.xml" needs to be quoted.
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3450 [21:21:26] <greycat> Most likely bug that you care about immediately: there is no connection whatsoever between the first command (find) and the second command (sed) except the check for successful exit. No output is shared or anything.
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3452 [21:22:08] <greycat> Perhaps if you just told us what you're trying to do...?
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3458 [21:24:39] <ar1el> grep -i --color '10.20.100.41:50000/PG5TESTE' -R * | sed -i s/'10.20.100.41:50000\/PG5TESTE:deferPrepares=0;enableSysplexWLB=true;enableAlternateServerListFirstConnect=true;clientRerouteAlternateServerName=10.20.100.41,10.20.100.42;clientRerouteAlternatePortNumber=50000,50000;maxRetriesForClientReroute=2;retryIntervalForClientReroute=5'/'10.20.100.122:50100\/PG5TESTE:deferPrepares=0'/g
3459 [21:24:42] <ar1el> works ;}
3460 [21:24:56] <ar1el> without --color :P
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3462 [21:25:28] <greycat> I truly can't see how that could possibly work.
3463 [21:25:55] <greycat> -i is "edit files in place" but you've not given any filenames
3464 [21:26:03] <greycat> (sed -i, I mean, not grep -i)
3465 [21:26:18] <ar1el> yeah, are you right
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3467 [21:26:31] <ar1el> sed just ... substitute but don't change in file
3468 [21:26:36] <ar1el> just output
3469 [21:26:37] <ar1el> hehe
3470 [21:26:44] <greycat> Are you trying to find all the files that contain '10.20.100.41:50000/PG5TESTE' and apply your sed command to them?
3471 [21:26:55] <ar1el> yeap
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3473 [21:27:16] <ar1el> find all files *.xml contain 10.20.100.41:50000\/PG5TESTE:deferPrepares=0;enableSysplexWLB=true;enableAlternateServerListFirstConnect=true;clientRerouteAlternateServerName=10.20.100.41,10.20.100.42;clientRerouteAlternatePortNumber=50000,50000;maxRetriesForClientReroute=2;retryIntervalForClientReroute=5
3474 [21:27:28] <ar1el> and apply sed to 10.20.100.122:50100\/PG5TESTE:deferPrepares=0
3475 [21:27:56] <ar1el> the database was migrated and i need to change a string of connection
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3477 [21:28:12] <greycat> find /opt/java -type f -iname '*.xml' -exec sh -c 'for f; do grep -Fq "10.20.100.41:50000/PG5TESTE" "$f" && sed -i "..." "$f"; done' x {} +
3478 [21:28:27] <greycat> Not the *fastest* way, but that should be safe.
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3487 [21:32:43] <ar1el> why x ?
3488 [21:32:48] <ar1el> done' x {} +
3489 [21:32:56] <greycat> It's a placeholder to become $0 of the script in sh -c
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3491 [21:33:36] <greycat> replaced-url
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3496 [21:36:47] <ar1el> great! works
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3498 [21:36:49] <ar1el> fastest
3499 [21:36:50] <ar1el> find /opt/java -type f -iname '*.xml' -exec grep -Fi '10.20.100.41:50000/PG5TESTE' -l {} \; -exec sed -i s/'10.20.100.41:50000\/PG5TESTE:deferPrepares=0;enableSysplexWLB=true;enableAlternateServerListFirstConnect=true;clientRerouteAlternateServerName=10.20.100.41,10.20.100.42;clientRerouteAlternatePortNumber=50000,50000;maxRetriesForClientReroute=2;retryIntervalForClientReroute=5'/'10.20.100.122:50100\/PG5TESTE:deferPrepares=0'/g {} \;
3500 [21:36:57] <ar1el> two -exec
3501 [21:36:58] <ar1el> :D
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3503 [21:37:07] <ar1el> tkz man for the attention.
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3505 [21:37:28] <spar01101011> anyone know of terminal that integrates with a DE. Like ls -> right click files names etc.
3506 [21:37:57] <greycat> You're very fond of this s'foo't'bar'u'baz'v quoting style, I guess.
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3509 [21:39:21] <spar01101011> who are you addressing?
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3511 [21:39:26] <afbss> hi
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3515 [21:41:12] <SerajewelKS> spar01101011: i'm not sure that would even be that reliable, since things like the working directory come into play
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3518 [21:42:09] <greycat> It would be a fairly deep project, to be sure. Strings of characters written to a terminal have no immediate connection to the names of files.
3519 [21:42:36] <spar01101011> SerajewelKS, mm.. i don't see why i would be an problem.
3520 [21:42:44] <greycat> You don't? Really?
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3522 [21:42:57] <SerajewelKS> spar01101011: so you write it :)
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3525 [21:43:17] <ar1el> ?
3526 [21:43:32] <greycat> ar1el: your command seems correct, but I still don't like your quoting style.
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3528 [21:43:56] <spar01101011> greycat, well there would be a "current directory". Point is i want to be able to navigate it by either clicking folder and using shortcuts or by cli.
3529 [21:44:02] <ar1el> hahahaha
3530 [21:44:05] <ar1el> lol :)
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3532 [21:44:26] <greycat> spar01101011: A terminal is like a movie screen. Something is making words appear on the screen, but you don't know what they mean, or where they come from.
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3534 [21:44:43] <spar01101011> SerajewelKS, i would love too. I put it on my todo list - think i got time in mid february 2068. ^^
3535 [21:44:49] <ar1el> my english is suckz :/
3536 [21:45:19] <greycat> ar1el: s/'foo'/'bar'/ can be rewritten as 's/foo/bar/'
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3538 [21:45:24] <spar01101011> greycat, obviously the core of the application would be some king of contextual parser.
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3540 [21:45:32] <ar1el> i understand.
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3542 [21:45:47] <ar1el> lol
3543 [21:45:47] <ar1el> tkz
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3545 [21:46:43] <spar01101011> greycat, i might be completely wrong in my assessment of course.. ^^ (but i don't see how)
3546 [21:46:52] <greycat> spar01101011: It's possible that such a thing already exists in some form. I simply don't know of it.
3547 [21:47:29] <spar01101011> greycat, yes. Unlikely someone didn't think of it before ^^
3548 [21:48:00] <spar01101011> or mbe they didnt and it turned out be bork
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3553 [21:49:50] <spar01101011> greycat, turns out Dolphin is kinda that. With the terminal following gui but not visa-versa (hearsay)
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3557 [21:51:23] <spar01101011> (just realized im kinda polluting the channel. -> will stop now)
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3560 [21:53:21] <rattking> spar01101011: I remember hearing something about a terminal emulator that was suppose to do that.. let me see if I can remember what it was called
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3578 [22:00:19] <rattking> spar01101011: this is the one I was thinking of. replaced-url
3579 [22:00:27] <LearnerWind> getting unreachable network on apt-get
3580 [22:00:31] <LearnerWind> how do i solve it
3581 [22:00:38] <LearnerWind> is that my source.lst
3582 [22:00:39] <LearnerWind> ?
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3589 [22:02:27] <spar01101011> rattking, thx alot for the effort. Checking it out right now.
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3608 [22:07:49] <spar01101011> !survey
3609 [22:07:50] <dpkg> survey is probably Don't ask whether 'somebody uses <app>' unless conducting a survey. Ask the question that you want to ask.
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3618 [22:14:30] <iLogic> hey guys.. I installed the lsh-server package on debian jessie and the ssh server stoped working.. cant i have both on simultaneosly?
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3621 [22:15:59] <greycat> iLogic: it "Provides: ssh-server"
3622 [22:16:14] <greycat> As does the openssh-server package.
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3643 [22:22:44] <spar01101011> rattking, its seems more focused on that "need porn in ma terminal" demographic. I'm looking/wishing for seamless and fast navigation. Why settle for a gui filemanager or a cli if you can have both.
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3645 [22:23:02] <spar01101011> rattking, appreciate the suggestion though
3646 [22:23:54] <rattking> lol. NP.. I found that terminal much fancier then I need a terminal to be.
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3653 [22:24:54] <tharkun> spar01101011: Given enough time on a terminal you endup using tab completion to get where you need to and it gets faster by the day.
3654 [22:25:03] <tharkun> Until you break your kb ;P
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3669 [22:32:37] <spar01101011> tharkun, i wish felt the same - I spend most of my time in the terminal. GUI is slower for the known but faster for the unknown imo. wrt. kb. just changed from membrane to mechanical -> brought new meaning to my work ^^
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3672 [22:33:27] <iLogic> greycat: what i mean is cant i run sshd along with lsh-server? because lsh-server has placed a file named sshd_not_to_be_run and added a condition to the init script preventing it to from running..
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3675 [22:33:45] <greycat> They both provide the same virtual package, so I think that means they can't coexist.
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3678 [22:36:09] <iLogic> greycat: i installed lsh-server to support an old macos 9 machine on the network just for funsies, but apparently i cant connect from the android ssh client, guess i cant support both at the same time right?
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3681 [22:37:11] <greycat> When you installed lsh-server, was openssh-server removed? It should have been very clear. You can also check right now to see whether openssh-server is removed.
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3685 [22:39:24] <iLogic> greycat: no, i even managed to run it again by renaming this file called "sshd_not_to_be_run" placed by lsh-server on it's init.d folder
3686 [22:40:08] <iLogic> greycat: it just places this conditional on the ssh init script apparently
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3688 [22:41:24] <greycat> In any case, you certainly can't run both at the same time listening on the same interface/port.
3689 [22:41:46] <iLogic> greycat: uhmm good call.. I just need to change ports
3690 [22:42:03] <iLogic> should work, right?
3691 [22:43:06] <gebruiker> it is so odd that the torrent clients on the gnu/linux platform do not have the "stop" buton but "pause"
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3699 [22:45:41] <iLogic> gebruiker: why?
3700 [22:46:39] <gebruiker> it is like 1 2 3 5 6
3701 [22:46:46] <gebruiker> i need 4 too
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3707 [22:48:42] <iLogic> gebruiker: computers only get 0 or 1 and they do a lot more math than you
3708 [22:49:03] <spar01101011> gebruiker, they realized "stop" is an anti-feature - why would you want to stop it ^^
3709 [22:49:27] <gebruiker> spar01101011: you just sucked that argument out of nowhere
3710 [22:49:31] <iLogic> see? spar01101011 gets binaries..
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3712 [22:50:19] <gebruiker> iLogic: you are bored to eyh ... on a friday
3713 [22:50:27] <spar01101011> gebruiker, granted - i suck at a lot of things. literally
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3715 [22:50:41] <gebruiker> must be pleasant
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3717 [22:50:52] <spar01101011> gebruiker, varies
3718 [22:51:06] <gebruiker> variety is good
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3720 [22:51:16] <iLogic> gebruiker: yea bro, feels good man
3721 [22:51:27] <iLogic> i'm done working for the day :)
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3724 [22:51:40] <gebruiker> yeaa! :)
3725 [22:51:45] <spar01101011> iLogic, i'm a binary person
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3727 [22:51:55] <iLogic> btw is there like a debian-social?
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3729 [22:52:13] <spar01101011> nope thats debian-offtopic
3730 [22:52:20] <iLogic> k thx bro
3731 [22:52:28] <spar01101011> right now where are polluting a respectable channel.
3732 [22:52:32] <iLogic> lol
3733 [22:52:44] <iLogic> nobody was speaking so i figured..
3734 [22:54:00] <spar01101011> iLogic, yeah... - as your partner in crime i can't absolve you ^^
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3737 [22:55:54] <spar01101011> gebruiker, exception: variety sketch
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3756 [23:05:02] <aboulafia_> hi, 35 days after hundreds pages of documentations, i try to understand why I can connect so easy to wifi network on my Mac and not on Jessie amd64. Perhaps i should regress to 32 bits version ?
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3760 [23:06:20] <spar01101011> aboulafia_, can you connect to *any* wifi on Jessie?
3761 [23:06:35] <awal1> aboulafia_ "I can connect so easy to wifi network on my Mac and not on Jessie amd64" means exactly ?
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3764 [23:07:45] <aboulafia_> spar01101011: i connect in only good conditions. Right now now my wifi access is at 50m and I see the network but i can't obtain an ip adress
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3766 [23:09:18] <aboulafia_> yes, i know, i'm connected here, but not under Jessie
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3777 [23:13:42] <spar01101011> aboulafia_, what your mac model? i had the same experience with MBP 8,2 - never managed to solve it.
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3784 [23:16:10] <aboulafia_> spar01101011: i have a macbook pro 17 early 2011, but it is not on this laptop i have problem. My problem is with an Acer v3 laptop. The internal card works fine BUT i need and external usb card and antenna to access to the network. It's probably a driver problem
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3792 [23:17:42] <spar01101011> aboulafia_, probably. did you look you what driver your laptop need?
3793 [23:17:51] <aboulafia_> perhaps ndiwrapper can make a good job. I didn't try yet. But i got so much trouble to solve for software, printing...
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3796 [23:18:49] <aboulafia_> spar01101011: one antenna is awus036h alfanetwork chipset 8187. 100% reception but no connection
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3799 [23:20:03] <aboulafia_> the second one is an awus036nhrv2 chipset 81188RU. I'm connected with it now on my macbook. Same thing on Jessie
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3802 [23:20:57] <spar01101011> aboulafia_, try the rtl8187 driver
3803 [23:21:10] <aboulafia_> the third one is a tplink TLWN722N i don't have the chipset in mind. Works but not alway...
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3806 [23:21:58] <aboulafia_> spar01101011: i downloaded the realtek firmware from jessie, i suppose it's that one loading with this antenna
3807 [23:23:02] <aboulafia_> did you ever used ndsiwrapper ?
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3811 [23:23:31] <confusedSpark> aboulafia_, you lost me
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3815 [23:27:02] <aboulafia_> confusedSpark: easy : one laptop --> one internal antenna but the wifi access is too far. So, I have 3 other usb wifi card with directional antenna yagi. As I said on these 3 wifi card the only mosly works have the less gain. The 2 others one, I saw the network, make association with console or network mangager successfully but dhclient can't give me an ip adress.
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3817 [23:27:33] <confusedSpark> aboulafia_, you have three usb wifi connected at once?
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3820 [23:28:22] <aboulafia_> confusedSpark: no, off course not. I have always two but i put the internal wlan0 in sleep mode.
3821 [23:28:36] <aboulafia_> and use the usb plugged
3822 [23:28:42] <confusedSpark> ok, what brand is the internal wlan?
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3827 [23:30:36] <aboulafia_> It's an atheros, works fine, really fine, but I need to move close to the access point. Not confortable. For help you to understand, i'm fixing my sailing boat on a boatyard and i have to connect to their wifi network
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3830 [23:31:18] <confusedSpark> aboulafia_, and the built-in wifi works better on windows?
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3834 [23:32:21] <aboulafia_> confusedSpark: not sure, i don't use a lot Windows. It's probably the same. I have to test to compare.
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3837 [23:32:52] <aboulafia_> on my linux laptop, i have win7 only for gamming...
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3840 [23:33:21] <confusedSpark> aboulafia_, well - sounds to me like the issue is the hardware.
3841 [23:34:17] <aboulafia_> hardware ? i use my alfa 036nhrV2 to connect now on my Mac to chatting
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3844 [23:35:25] <confusedSpark> aboulafia_, ok it would be helpful if you could elaborate on what exactly the problem is.
3845 [23:36:05] <aboulafia_> same antenna, same cable, same wifi card. I only unplugged the Jessie laptop and plugged the macbook to get connected.
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3847 [23:36:42] <aboulafia_> confusedSpark: If i can elaborate where is the problem i probably can find the solution
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3849 [23:37:15] <aboulafia_> i "suppose" it's bad driver on linux
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3851 [23:38:04] <aboulafia_> or more accuratly, driver that can handle this chipset correctly.
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3853 [23:39:09] <confusedSpark> aboulafia_, ok.. what chipset are you having issues with. And don't mention all your other devices in the same sentence please.
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3863 [23:42:20] <aboulaf__> anyway, i think this problem is too complicated. I give up. Thanks for your help
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3884 [23:54:31] <cruncher> aboulaf__, did you ever take out the wifi card on that laptop?
3885 [23:54:46] <cruncher> or maybe you know someone else did?
3886 [23:54:56] <cruncher> i mean the internal
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3888 [23:55:49] <cruncher> and another question: how close do you have to be to the AP?
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3902 [23:59:40] <furseiso> Hi, I want to use fuseiso on jessie, but it is not included. What would be the cleanest replacement? Tia
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