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9 [00:03:15] <teraflops> aboulafia_: hmm in which channel is your ap transmitting?
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11 [00:03:56] <aboulafia_> teraflops: sorry i do not understand.
12 [00:04:06] <teraflops> looks like 00 regdom is for the USA
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14 [00:04:20] <teraflops> maybe that's the issue
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17 [00:04:55] <aboulafia_> teraflops: i'm located on caribean right now
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24 [00:07:02] <teraflops> aboulafia_: ido regdom and channels. may checking which channel is using the ap worth a try
25 [00:07:09] <teraflops> idk*
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35 [00:10:01] <teraflops> also rfkill list might say it's softbloked
36 [00:10:26] <teraflops> idk. apart from that I'm out of ideas
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40 [00:11:09] <hspcd> Running Debian 8.6 with a Radeon card and it frequently displays a black strip horizontally across the "lock screen" and after resuming from suspend it sometimes has a very bad issue with pink text and things look all distorted on the screen. Anybody have a clue what causes this and how to correct it?
41 [00:11:11] <teraflops> also sorry for the typos
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46 [00:12:18] <aboulafia_> teraflops: i apologize, but my knoledge is not enough. I installed rfkill and rfkill list gave me all networks type on the computer
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48 [00:12:34] <teraflops> hspcd: is the machine swapping?
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51 [00:13:11] <teraflops> do you see there softbloked aboulafia_?
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54 [00:14:04] <aboulafia_> teraflops: my computer with jessie is out of battery. I'll try to plug-in and connect to Internet. If it works i'll be back in five minutes.
55 [00:14:16] <teraflops> ok
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73 [00:21:21] <aboulafia_> rfkill : nothing blocked
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82 [00:22:37] <aboulafia_> i come back in few mn
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120 [00:32:40] <doflamingo> hello everyone.. can you help me.. i got BLACK screen of death when using a SIMcard for usb modem
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123 [00:32:59] <ageis> anyone ever had luck with getting /examples and /manpages to include in a .deb package via dpkg-deb --build (rather than dh_make) ? do they need to be put in maintainer scripts?
124 [00:33:00] <aboulafia_> ok, i tried another card wifi usb, and works. You have the dmesg here : replaced-url
125 [00:33:30] <ageis> problem with installing: unable to open file '/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci//manpages': Is a directory
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130 [00:35:06] <aboulafia_> teraflops, In the past we can use ndiswrapper for using windows driver in linux. It can be actullay used with Jessie ? I'm pretty sure it's a driver problem now
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137 [00:36:30] <teraflops> aboulafia_: is using same regdom so that's not the issue then
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140 [00:37:00] <teraflops> aboulafia_: why are you sure?
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142 [00:37:19] <deanosaur> is it possible to choose to not use uefi in the installer?
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144 [00:38:00] <doflamingo> hello everyone.. can you help me.. i got BLACK screen of death when using a SIMcard for usb modem
145 [00:38:31] <teraflops> aboulafia_: those dmesg are from different usb wireless nics on same machine?
146 [00:38:40] <teraflops> deanosaur: tell the machine to boot using legacy?
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154 [00:41:00] <aboulafia_> teraflops, yes. I only use another wifi card i have in stock (Tplink) instead of my Alfat Network
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157 [00:41:59] <pacninja> Hello, my gnu coreutils seems to have disappeared all of a sudden and bash isn't working right either
158 [00:42:02] <pacninja> replaced-url
159 [00:42:38] <pacninja> didn't do anything with root just ran ioquake installer and next min. that happens
160 [00:42:40] <aboulafia_> teraflops, i mosly sure is the driver. Why I can connect so quick with the same machine, same antenna, same network and with some cards it works and some other not ?
161 [00:42:46] <deanosaur> teraflops: I'm trying to use a surface pro (uefi only) to install to an external disk, which I want to run in a headless machine (bios/legacy only)
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166 [00:44:21] <doflamingo> hello everyone.. can you help me.. i got BLACK screen of death when using a SIMcard for usb modem.. i have 2 simcard and the other are normal
167 [00:44:25] <teraflops> aboulafia_: ah, I see the driver loading and the fw too? it's an ath3k right?
168 [00:44:32] <teraflops> s/?/
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170 [00:44:53] <teraflops> doflamingo: sorry I have no idea
171 [00:45:08] <teraflops> err^ deanosaur
172 [00:45:46] <aboulafia_> teraflops, AR9271
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174 [00:46:23] <doflamingo> Oct 26 20:06:06 computer kernel: [ 1585.989350] ath: phy0: DMA failed to stop in 10 ms AR_CR=0xffffffff AR_DIAG_SW=0xffffffff DMADBG_7=0xffffffff
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176 [00:46:24] <doflamingo> Oct 26 20:06:06 computer kernel: [ 1585.989372] ath: phy0: Could not stop RX, we could be confusing the DMA engine when we start RX up
177 [00:46:24] <doflamingo> Oct 26 20:06:06 computer kernel: [ 1586.108617] ath: phy0: Chip reset failed
178 [00:46:24] <doflamingo> Oct 26 20:06:06 computer kernel: [ 1586.108629] ath: phy0: Unable to reset channel, reset status -22
179 [00:46:24] <doflamingo> Oct 26 20:06:06 computer kernel: [ 1586.109374] ath9k 0000:02:00.0: no hotplug settings from platform
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181 [00:46:29] <deanosaur> teraflops: ok thanks, legacy was useful, at least I can google it better now
182 [00:46:36] <aboulafia_> the alfa use rltk 8187 and tltk 8188
183 [00:46:54] <teraflops> aboulafia_: usbcore: registered new interface driver ath3k
184 [00:46:58] <aboulafia_> **rltk
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186 [00:48:24] <aboulafia_> teraflops, driver ath3k but the chipset of the card is atheros ar9271
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192 [00:50:23] <teraflops> aboulafia_: I see in both pastes wlan2 and wlan0
193 [00:50:33] <teraflops> aboulafia_: but I see wlan2: deauthenticated from 00:1b:2f:43:3e:60 (Reason: 1=UNSPECIFIED)
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197 [00:50:51] <teraflops> worth a googling
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199 [00:51:06] <teraflops> and a weird renaming of the interface as well
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211 [00:59:01] <aboulafia_> teraflops, ok. To clarify the situation : As I said, I leave my Mac and try to connet on the SAME wifi card on Jessie. Without success. I remember, i have an other card Tplink (id wlan3), and I'm connected with it right now. The wlan2 was the Alfa-networks AWUS036nhrv2 with obdna driver that probably doesn't work works with his chipset rtl 81188 (i need to check but i can't now). The wlan1 was the Alfa-network AWUS036H
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217 [01:02:30] <aboulafia_> and another i do not understand, why in lsmod I can see rtl8192cu and I have no realtek chipset plugged now
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234 [01:10:02] <teraflops> aboulafia_: idk you said it connected at some point
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242 [01:17:07] <aboulafia_> teraflops, i said i allready successfull connected with the two alfa-network but sometimes they gave me a lot of difficulties. And It's weeks now i didn't find why. I red hundreds of pages, and didn't found a solution yet
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276 [01:35:18] <deanosaur> is it possible to install debian (using the menu installer) from a running debian instance?
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290 [01:47:11] <RoyK> deanosaur: no, just start on a live usb thing or even a cd
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294 [01:48:30] <deanosaur> RoyK: it's an old headless machine. I'm trying copy the running install over to new drive
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309 [01:52:12] <RoyK> rsync -avPHAX /old /new
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311 [01:52:26] <RoyK> then install grub on the new disk and bingo
312 [01:52:39] <RoyK> deanosaur: that's for you - I'm off to bed
313 [01:52:41] <RoyK> nite
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344 [02:07:20] <wkalt> I'm having a frustrating issue with firefox 49.0 on debian where all links from external programs produce a popup saying
345 [02:07:41] <wkalt> Firefox is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Firefox process, or restart your system.
346 [02:08:07] <PhantomVent> Have you tried closing it from your system monitor and opening again?
347 [02:08:15] <baraba> is there a firefox process running
348 [02:08:31] <wkalt> baraba: yes, but the expected behavior is for the link to open in a new tab of that instance
349 [02:09:11] <wkalt> if I close firefox I can open the links fine, but I should be able to open them with firefox running
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353 [02:09:43] <wkalt> PhantomVent: I'm not sure what you mean by my system monitor
354 [02:09:59] <baraba> what does this command return?
355 [02:10:07] <baraba> pgrep firefox
356 [02:10:17] <wkalt> a pid as expected baraba
357 [02:10:27] <baraba> one pid
358 [02:10:29] <wkalt> yes
359 [02:10:50] <PhantomVent> Like Gnome system monitor or the MATE system monitor? or he can list the processes via terminal and kill firefox
360 [02:11:17] <wkalt> I don't want to kill firefox though. I'm clicking a link from my mail client (or other application) while firefox is running. That should just work.
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362 [02:11:54] <PhantomVent> Is Your Email Client IceDove? (Thunderbird)
363 [02:12:05] <wkalt> yes, but I see this with hipchat as well
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365 [02:12:19] <wkalt> and also links from my terminal and in IRC
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370 [02:13:45] <PhantomVent> You can also try the command line with this command
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372 [02:14:14] <PhantomVent> "firefox -new-window 'replaced-url
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375 [02:14:57] <wkalt> PhantomVent: that does the right thing (opens tab in existing instance)
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379 [02:17:16] <baraba> can you then try to update alternatives to that exact command?
380 [02:17:38] <PhantomVent> ¿?
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382 [02:18:00] <baraba> at least you can create a script that runs that command
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384 [02:18:13] <baraba> and set gnome-replaced-url
385 [02:18:21] <wkalt> I'm not using gnome
386 [02:18:25] <PhantomVent> MATE?
387 [02:18:37] <wkalt> xfce is installed
388 [02:18:40] <baraba> you still need to set gnome-replaced-url
389 [02:18:45] <baraba> and x-replaced-url
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392 [02:19:56] <baraba> some apps will use gnome-replaced-url
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396 [02:22:15] <PhantomVent> If you don't mind changing browsers Midori or Chromium are not bad
397 [02:22:35] <PhantomVent> tho you can follow Mr Baraba advice
398 [02:22:41] <wkalt> give up on firefox? never :D
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400 [02:23:02] <wkalt> baraba: I updated the alternatives to the correct version (which they weren't before) but still no joy
401 [02:23:12] <baraba> correct version?
402 [02:23:13] <wkalt> is there an easy way to specify CLI flags for alternatives?
403 [02:23:24] <wkalt> yeah, firefox instead of firefox-esr
404 [02:23:58] <baraba> not sure, but as i said you can create a script that adds command line arguments
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406 [02:24:20] <baraba> and put it in /usr/bin or something
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408 [02:24:21] <wkalt> oh, like stick the script at /usr/bin/firefox you mean
409 [02:24:23] <wkalt> yeah
410 [02:24:46] <wkalt> ok gotcha. I'll give that a shot later. Can't help but think there's another solution here though.
411 [02:25:15] <PhantomVent> You can always try the universal solution to most computing problems
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413 [02:25:21] <wkalt> alcohol?
414 [02:25:41] <PhantomVent> xD
415 [02:25:43] <PhantomVent> Reboot
416 [02:25:51] <wkalt> nah, that doesn't do it ;)
417 [02:26:16] <wkalt> I'll revert to firefox-esr and see if the issue is with the later stuff. Will report back if I find anything.
418 [02:26:24] <wkalt> Thanks for the help baraba PhantomVent
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420 [02:27:31] <PhantomVent> Still anxious for Debian 9
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433 [02:33:17] <baraba> are you running stable Phanes
434 [02:33:31] <baraba> ignore
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479 [02:55:59] <habs> What can I do about an unresolvable dependency cycle trying to build gcc-6 (gcc-6 -> adep gnat-6 -> adep gnat-6)? I'm on mipsel so binaries are hard to come by.
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485 [02:57:17] <somiaj> habs: trying to build gcc6 on jessie?
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491 [02:58:15] <saint_> hi all - i have a raspberry pi / when i boot, it creates 2 defaults routes on each interface (eth0 and wlan0) . When it happens, i can't connect to the box from wlan0 because the route of wlan0 takes precedence. in order to be able to connect from both interface, i need to delete eth0 default route. how can i do this permanently ? anytime i reboot, this damn route comes back.
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493 [02:59:03] <somiaj> saint_: are you using raspbian on this pi?
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495 [02:59:11] <saint_> somiaj yup
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497 [02:59:26] <somiaj> saint_: then you should ask their support how to best work with their software
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499 [02:59:28] <somiaj> !raspbian
500 [02:59:28] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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502 [02:59:43] <saint_> somiaj wouldn't it be the same as debian though ?
503 [02:59:46] <somiaj> saint_: they modify many core things so what may work in debian may not work in raspbian
504 [02:59:53] <saint_> oh .. ok
505 [02:59:56] <somiaj> saint_: we don't know, we have no clue what they modified to make it work.
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507 [03:00:05] <saint_> thx
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510 [03:00:17] <somiaj> saint_: we just take teh approach, it is not supported here (even if it were to be the same)
511 [03:00:20] <saint_> oh .. while i am at it .. anyone installed Debian on ESXI ?
512 [03:00:35] <somiaj> saint_: I don't know that hardware, is it arm v7?
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514 [03:01:20] <habs> somiaj: Yes, that's what I'm trying to do
515 [03:01:25] <saint_> somiaj never mind actually. i ws thinking about debian, but my issue is with ubuntu :/
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517 [03:02:10] <somiaj> habs: sometimes it is not possible to satsify the build depends you need in jessie. If you need gcc6, jessie may not be the best choice.
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575 [03:37:09] <sdfasd> hello
576 [03:37:12] <sdfasd> this web server 100% safe? -> Apache httpd 2.2.0 ((Debian) mod_fcgid/2.3.6
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578 [03:38:51] <Anselmo> nothing is 100% safe
579 [03:39:30] <sdfasd> yeah, Anselmo I bet you can't be sure who your daddy is
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583 [03:40:19] <Anselmo> there's nothing wrong with that webserver setup, that I am aware of, but using absolutes presents things in an inaccurate way
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590 [03:44:49] <Hello71> Anselmo: safe if you turn it off
591 [03:45:09] <Anselmo> haha, not from a hammer
592 [03:45:46] <missmbob> replaced-url
593 [03:46:25] * Hello71 uses psychic debugging
594 [03:46:38] <Hello71> they are a script kiddie trying to "hack" a server
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601 [03:52:37] <sdfasd> all I see are cross-shit methods that would require planification from someone else and stupidity on my part
602 [03:52:41] <sdfasd> i think it's safe
603 [03:53:03] <missmbob> stupidity on your part seems rather likely
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605 [03:53:19] <missmbob> you're asking about an open webserver from oldoldstable.
606 [03:54:49] <sdfasd> yeah, I don't need to waste my time updating, you waste the time to look for vulnerabilities for me, I read all of them in 20 secs and conclude that both you're an idiot and that my server is safe
607 [03:54:55] <sdfasd> but hey
608 [03:55:02] <sdfasd> I am the stupid one
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612 [03:57:16] <sypher> Yeah. Pretty much.
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627 [04:12:48] <habs> somiaj: Really I only need gcc5, but it seems like gcc-6 is strangely an adep of gcc-5. Is there any way to get around that and just build it with gcc-4?
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631 [04:14:46] <jmcnaught> sdfasd: are you just using the apache2 package on wheezy? that will be covered by LTS until may 2018
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633 [04:15:09] <somiaj> habs: what are you trying to build that needs gcc6?
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635 [04:15:34] <jmcnaught> sdfasd: you need to go by the package version reported by "apt-cache policy apache2" for example, not the version string that apache reports on generated pages
636 [04:15:56] <missmbob> jmcnaught: wheezy was 2.2.22. he claims 2.2.0
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638 [04:16:32] <jmcnaught> missmbob: that could just be what apache claims to be at the bottom of autoindex pages etc
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710 [05:04:20] <habs> somiaj: I'm trying to build a version of gccgo that includes the /usr/bin/go binary, which is gcc-5 and later.
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715 [05:06:55] <somiaj> habs: you could install a stretch chroot and just build in there. Though making a binary that then runs in jessie may not work. But if you just wanted to work in a chroot that is one way.
716 [05:07:03] <somiaj> habs: vms are also ways to get a different build enviroment.
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771 [05:50:33] <KNERD> I got an older laptop (~2009) with an nVidia graphics. I am wondering about installing the nVida drivers for it. I am wondering if they do the same with Windows drivers, as with Linux. That is slow down the display on purpose with newer versions. Anyone know?
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773 [05:51:04] <Dewi> KNERD: in what way do they do that?
774 [05:51:11] <rex_> h
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776 [05:51:47] <KNERD> graphics cards are their bread n butter... They wont make money if you keep your same video a logn time.
777 [05:51:59] <KNERD> It is a topic of discusssion on their forum
778 [05:52:26] <missmbob> you wouldn't even use nvidia drivers for that. you'd use open-source drivers. they have no say
779 [05:52:37] <jmcnaught> KNERD: take a look at replaced-url
780 [05:52:43] <KNERD> That is one of the reasons I pulled windows off of it. The performance from driver upgrades had gotten so bad
781 [05:52:49] <jmcnaught> nouveau is decent though, and will work out of the box
782 [05:53:36] <KNERD> thanks
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784 [05:54:08] <missmbob> plus if you have proof you'd have a great class action lawsuit. make millions.
785 [05:54:20] <KNERD> missmbob: nvidia does make drivers for Linux,
786 [05:54:28] <Dewi> KNERD: except that would be trivially measurable if it really happened, so where's the evidence?
787 [05:54:30] <missmbob> KNERD: i'm well aware. so?
788 [05:54:38] <missmbob> KNERD: i said you wouldn't use them
789 [05:54:45] <missmbob> KNERD: you wouldn't have a choice for drivers that old
790 [05:54:48] <Dewi> I could believe the focus of the optimizations shifts a bit
791 [05:54:49] <KNERD> proof is easy, but they woudl say they are adding feaqtures which drags down the older cards
792 [05:55:13] <Dewi> probably are
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796 [05:55:48] <Dewi> you could just install an older driver if you want...
797 [05:55:59] <Dewi> how many codebases do you expect them to maintain?
798 [05:56:00] <missmbob> if you want to break debian, he means
799 [05:56:14] <jmcnaught> or use the free nouveau driver if it does everything you need
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801 [05:57:13] <KNERD> They make a common driver now which is compable with older cards
802 [05:57:27] <missmbob> you'll still break debian
803 [05:57:49] <KNERD> i will just use the nouveau
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807 [05:58:03] <missmbob> yay
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809 [05:59:32] <KNERD> but will they play crysis? ;-)
810 [06:00:23] <KNERD> actually I was trying to run the steam app, and it keeps giving error about libG 32 bit
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812 [06:00:56] <missmbob> KNERD: read the docs. replaced-url
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814 [06:02:55] <KNERD> thanks
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816 [06:04:48] <Dewi> missmbob: yeah I meant in windows, where this is allegedly a huge problem. In debian I have nfi
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824 [06:10:19] <KNERD> After messing around with the Steam app, I remember using that link last year to try to install steam on another computer.
825 [06:10:31] <KNERD> it remember now it is presenting the same result
826 [06:11:03] <mrrhq> Yeah, it sucks that Steam is still very 32-bit dependent. They could have just make the entire binary an AppImage or statically compiled... would've been happy with that...
827 [06:11:40] <KNERD> "steam" exists in the package databasem but it is not a real package, and no package provides it
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829 [06:12:01] <KNERD> No packages will be installed.......
830 [06:12:02] <somiaj> KNERD: steam is in non-free
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832 [06:12:11] <mrrhq> As far as I know, Debian's policy is not to use packages that depends on statically compiled programs.
833 [06:12:18] <jmcnaught> ,v steam --arch i386
834 [06:12:19] <judd> Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 1.0.0.49-1; stretch/non-free: 1.0.0.52-5; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.52-5
835 [06:12:33] <pingfloyd> steam needs to get their act together in regards to linux support
836 [06:12:33] <mrrhq> or libraries.
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838 [06:12:44] <iflema> the humanity
839 [06:12:47] <pingfloyd> it's kind of silly they don't even a 64-bit version of the client
840 [06:12:50] <somiaj> steam is in non-free and works fine in jessie onward. For the most part it is a wrapper that will download and run the current version of steam from $HOME
841 [06:13:04] <mrrhq> Need some of that sweet Steam DRM software to be on ARM, too. :p
842 [06:13:12] <somiaj> but yes, you have to have mulitarch for it.
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844 [06:13:47] <KNERD> i see steam-launcher, and steam
845 [06:13:48] <pingfloyd> yeah, proprietary software tends to be rather amateur about proper linux support
846 [06:14:21] <pingfloyd> like they're oblivious to the existing conventions
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848 [06:14:38] <mrrhq> I'm scared to keep Steam out of a 32-bit chroot, due to the Steam bug that recursively deleted files. I don't know if you guys heard about it.
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850 [06:14:49] <pingfloyd> it wouldn't take that much more work to make it easier for their users
851 [06:14:57] <mrrhq> The problem is, I haven't gotten it to work in my Chroot anymore recently.
852 [06:15:21] <KNERD> yeah same thing.. libGL 32 bit
853 [06:15:37] <missmbob> KNERD: no, you're not using a chroot
854 [06:15:53] <KNERD> i thioh
855 [06:15:55] <missmbob> KNERD: you just have failed to follow the wiki and add i386
856 [06:15:58] <pingfloyd> mrrhq: yeah, I heard about that bug
857 [06:16:13] <pingfloyd> mrrhq: their stupid script didn't do proper checks before running rm on a relative path iirc
858 [06:16:24] <pingfloyd> mrrhq: a recursive rm
859 [06:16:53] <pingfloyd> mrrhq: i.e., an amateur mistake like I was talking about
860 [06:17:26] <pingfloyd> it's kind of puzzling they can make a client program that complex, but not have proper support for major dists
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864 [06:18:18] <mrrhq> Maybe you guys can help me firgue out how to get Steam to work in my chroot again. I have the script that I use right here: replaced-url
865 [06:18:30] <pingfloyd> yet there's devs out there living on ramen that can
866 [06:18:32] <mrrhq> The chroot supposed to be Debian Stable.
867 [06:18:55] <mrrhq> pingfloyd: Lol, yea, using rm should always be used with caution. :p
868 [06:19:11] <missmbob> mrrhq: i'd just schroot...but i've never used steam. i have to assume it'd work that way
869 [06:19:28] <missmbob> mrrhq: replaced-url
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871 [06:19:28] <pingfloyd> mrrhq: to me the rm debacle more points out they shouldn't have taken that route to begin with and maintained proper packages instead.
872 [06:20:41] <pingfloyd> mrrhq: you know, make things easy for their users to generate more revenue for themselves
873 [06:20:50] <mrrhq> missmbob: Maybe I'm crazy, but I still prefer original chroot. :)
874 [06:21:03] <missmbob> mrrhq: yeah, i think you are :P
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880 [06:23:00] <mrrhq> pingfloyd: Steam is heavily DRM dependant, and people who publish games on Steam want it to always be "uncrackable", so their logic is that by making it closed source, it's a relabile platform for people to publish games, and not have them "pirated".
881 [06:23:19] <mrrhq> I really don't know how they do it, but they do it well, it seems.
882 [06:23:31] <pingfloyd> mrrhq: having barriers of entry is never a smart business strategy
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884 [06:23:47] <missmbob> you never met microsoft
885 [06:23:54] <pingfloyd> you want to do everything possible to not mess with a customer's impulse
886 [06:24:14] <missmbob> or appel
887 [06:24:18] <missmbob> apple*
888 [06:24:40] <pingfloyd> I think apple has risen so much because to get going a user just has to be able to flip a switch
889 [06:24:48] <mrrhq> Also, people still aparently have arguments against making it 64-bit. Maybe they think it increases a barrier to entry or something.
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891 [06:24:59] <mrrhq> But hopefully they will make it 64-bit someday.
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893 [06:25:10] <missmbob> hell windows 10 still comes 32-bit
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895 [06:25:20] <mrrhq> Or it could make trouble shooting harder if it was for more platforms? I dunno.
896 [06:25:36] <pingfloyd> mrrhq: I don't see why they can't have both 32-bit and 64-bit
897 [06:25:47] <mrrhq> Me neither.
898 [06:25:47] <pingfloyd> plenty of other software has both
899 [06:25:56] <missmbob> not even chrome has both
900 [06:26:07] <missmbob> it's just not that easy/simple
901 [06:26:07] <mrrhq> Haha, not Chromium.
902 [06:26:28] <mrrhq> Why do so many people prefer Chrome over Chromium on Linux?
903 [06:26:37] <missmbob> netflix support
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905 [06:26:49] <mrrhq> Firefox will get it soon, I think.
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907 [06:26:55] <pingfloyd> people like their DRM shackles
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909 [06:27:10] <missmbob> it's not like there's an open alternative to netflix
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911 [06:27:21] <mrrhq> Yeah, there is.
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913 [06:27:27] <mrrhq> Well... open though.
914 [06:27:34] <mrrhq> Hmm..
915 [06:27:37] <pingfloyd> there is, it's just shady
916 [06:27:42] <missmbob> no, there isnt
917 [06:28:00] <missmbob> most people dont want to be fined or get 3 strikes and never be able to go online again
918 [06:28:02] <mrrhq> Emby and Kodi?
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920 [06:28:27] <missmbob> neither of those come close to netflix
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923 [06:29:14] <mrrhq> I also like local media sometimes. But affording to store, I mean hoard, every movie is hard.
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926 [06:29:26] <mrrhq> Problem is, I don't know how to rip Bluerays on Linux.
927 [06:29:33] <mrrhq> Or if you can.
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978 [06:59:37] <linuxuser0815> running stretch with kernel Debian 4.6.2-2. Have to install kernel-headers (for virtualbox). But apt-get install only shows linux-header-4.7.0.1. What to do?
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981 [07:00:14] <iflema> linuxuser0815: run jessie for a start
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983 [07:02:43] <linuxuser0815> ? sorry. why jessie? wanted to try stretch.
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986 [07:04:32] <missmbob> !tell linuxuser0815 about debian-next
987 [07:04:51] <missmbob> linuxuser0815: you're in the wrong place. see what the bot just /msg'd you
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993 [07:07:32] <linuxuser0815> ah ok. thanks
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1067 [07:46:03] <ambient> Hey, I am trying to install tor but get notifications that the packages cannot be verified. Should I be concerned?
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1072 [07:47:58] <ransur0t> you would need to check the packages against available key signatures provided
1073 [07:48:01] <han-solo> you're going to use tor. Why do you care? :)
1074 [07:48:06] <ransur0t> if you want to verify
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1076 [07:48:14] <han-solo> kiddin'
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1079 [07:49:09] <ambient> Yeah, I was following the debian install instructions and get loads of messages about no verification
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1086 [07:51:58] <sn0wmonster> hi guys, some fruity scammer just said this in a long diatribe laden with mental health issues
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1088 [07:51:59] <sn0wmonster> cesurasean> mofukka, you know im well respected in Debian, right?
1089 [07:53:55] <awal1> ambient, you run apt-get update before install?
1090 [07:54:03] <ambient> awal1, Indeed
1091 [07:55:08] <awal1> bcuz sometimes apt also complains about unsigned stuff if cache isn't up-to-date
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1093 [07:55:26] <ambient> awal1, Okay, I can try again
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1099 [07:57:52] <pingfloyd> ambient: yeah you should be concerned
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1105 [07:58:44] <ambient> replaced-url
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1107 [07:59:29] <awal1> ambient, jessie?
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1111 [07:59:41] <pingfloyd> ambient: are you having this issue installing other packages?
1112 [07:59:51] <ambient> pingfloyd, No
1113 [07:59:53] <pingfloyd> ambient: and are you using the official jessie repos?
1114 [07:59:54] <ambient> awal1, yes
1115 [08:00:02] <ambient> pingfloyd, yes
1116 [08:00:07] <pingfloyd> ambient: that's rather suspect then
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1118 [08:00:16] <pingfloyd> suspicious
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1120 [08:00:30] <ambient> pingfloyd, Well, replaced-url
1121 [08:00:59] <pingfloyd> what's apt-cache policy tor return?
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1131 [08:03:16] <ambient> pingfloyd, replaced-url
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1138 [08:04:58] <pingfloyd> that makes more sense
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1140 [08:05:14] <pingfloyd> 500 replaced-url
1141 [08:05:38] <pingfloyd> you're probably missing the key that repo uses for signing their packages
1142 [08:05:42] <ambient> pingfloyd, So I gotta have vanilla repositories?
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1145 [08:05:58] <pingfloyd> you don't have to, but it's easier and more stable
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1149 [08:06:42] <ambient> pingfloyd, I have amd, so nothing is easy and stable
1150 [08:06:49] <pingfloyd> third-party repositories can present problems sometimes depending on their quality
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1152 [08:07:10] <ambient> third party repositories = painful suppositories
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1154 [08:07:22] <pingfloyd> and I generally don't have a great deal of trust in them, I supposed the torproject.org you can trust as well as a debian official repository though
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1160 [08:08:46] <ambient> pingfloyd, Well, the main use for my computer is graphics/video work, so that is the priority
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1162 [08:08:59] <ambient> tor is lower, a nice-to-have
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1166 [08:09:56] <ambient> pingfloyd, But thanks for the insights
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1179 [08:13:30] <styler2go> Hi, i have problems uninstalling mysql-server on my linux system. can someone help me? i am trying apt-get purge mysql-server but it always gets stuck at: replaced-url
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1181 [08:13:44] <pingfloyd> ambient: you can try this: gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv 886DDD89 then check fingerprint against listed here replaced-url
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1187 [08:14:38] <pingfloyd> ambient: if the fingerprint checks out ok: gpg --export A3C4F0F979CAA22CDBA8F512EE8CBC9E886DDD89 | sudo apt-key add - ; sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install deb.torproject.org-keyring
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1189 [08:14:45] <pingfloyd> then try installing the tor package
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1192 [08:15:08] <x3kl1> hello there, anyone in here who can shed some light on a problem i have. im trying to get fprintd to work. It enrolls ok, but wont verify(no match). is there anyone else in here with this problem?
1193 [08:15:25] <pingfloyd> that if you want to the use package provided by torproject.org, otherwise you can skip all that if you use the debian official package instead
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1199 [08:16:31] <ambient> bash: sudo: coomand not found <----- odd
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1204 [08:17:13] <pingfloyd> maybe you don't have sudo
1205 [08:17:24] <themill> styler2go: looks a lot like a question for #ubuntu
1206 [08:17:42] <x3kl1> themill: you mean me?
1207 [08:17:49] <x3kl1> lol my bad
1208 [08:17:51] <styler2go> lol
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1213 [08:18:21] <styler2go> yeah but.. it's more like a general apt question and i guess apt is also being used in debian :P and this channel is more active
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1216 [08:18:35] <ambient> pingfloyd, That may have been the culprit
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1218 [08:18:45] <pingfloyd> ambient: yeah, I think that was the problem all along
1219 [08:18:58] <pingfloyd> ambient: but it's good to pause and figure out why a situation like yours happened
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1221 [08:19:03] <themill> styler2go: no, it's a question about how to configure the ubuntu mysql packages.
1222 [08:19:11] <pingfloyd> ambient: because it could always be mitm tampering for all you know
1223 [08:19:21] <styler2go> themill, then you're totally wrong
1224 [08:19:29] <ambient> pingfloyd, I was thinking that too
1225 [08:19:34] <ambient> it is good to be dilligent
1226 [08:19:38] <pingfloyd> all of this song and dance will make sure that isn't what is the cause
1227 [08:19:42] <themill> styler2go: I can promise you I'm not. Good luck!
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1232 [08:21:06] <ambient> pingfloyd, Yeah, my government developed software needs to run properly ; - )
1233 [08:21:32] <pingfloyd> all the more reason to error on the side of caution
1234 [08:21:59] <pingfloyd> that's what checking the fingerprint will do
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1236 [08:22:32] <pingfloyd> a step that surprisingly it seems like many users don't do
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1238 [08:22:58] <pingfloyd> because you can't be sure of a key's authenticity unless you check that or have a reliable web of trust already in place
1239 [08:23:04] <ambient> pingfloyd, It's a pain to dig sometime and asking for help with tor in some places is a no-no
1240 [08:23:19] <ambient> But key signatures apply to other software too
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1243 [08:23:47] <pingfloyd> what I hate is when projects don't show their fingerprints over https
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1271 [08:41:43] <styler2go> themill, problem was i had to use --force-yes. now tell me that's not an apt problem.
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1275 [08:43:26] <pingfloyd> styler2go: you shouldn't need to use that if your system isn't broken
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1277 [08:43:40] <styler2go> but it was broken
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1279 [08:43:53] <pingfloyd> it may be even more broken now
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1286 [08:45:52] <pingfloyd> you having to use that is very likely a symptom of using repositories that are iffy or not intended for your release
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1293 [08:48:14] <themill> styler2go: that is never needed unless there is bug in the package. Your distro knows about the bugs in their packages.
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1309 [08:54:56] <Vladimirski_> not sure where to ask about RAID and HDD's ?
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1317 [08:59:04] <pingfloyd> Vladimirski_: depends
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1321 [08:59:34] <pingfloyd> if it is about md on debian stable, then you're probably in the right place
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1336 [09:04:21] <shortCircuit__> hey
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1338 [09:04:38] <shortCircuit__> can I ask for openvpn connecting to server question?
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1345 [09:06:16] <awal1> dpkg. tell shortCircuit__ about ask
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1348 [09:06:31] <awal1> dpkg: tell shortCircuit__ about ask
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1353 [09:06:51] <shortCircuit__> I think its easier if you just tell it :P
1354 [09:06:52] <superlinux> hello
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1359 [09:07:26] <shortCircuit__> ok
1360 [09:07:36] <shortCircuit__> I am using debian 8 (at home)
1361 [09:07:46] <shortCircuit__> replaced-url
1362 [09:07:56] <shortCircuit__> please help to figure what isn't working
1363 [09:08:10] <shortCircuit__> or how to debug
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1369 [09:08:49] <superlinux> is there a way to compress the attached images as they come in the postfix email server just to save space? just name the tool or the script for me please, i will read about it on my own. the #postfix is asleep now.
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1423 [09:23:26] <Huj-s-Gory> hello
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1425 [09:24:43] <Huj-s-Gory> is there a apt repo that i can use that provides statically linked distro update?
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1431 [09:26:56] <shortCircuit__> why no one help me with openvpn
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1441 [09:29:59] <r4co0n> shortCircuit__, try to check the server's log file, maybe you can see a difference between the first and second connection attempt. Then, test the connection both ways, try to first ping the ips assigned by openvpn, then maybe the server's public ip, aso.
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1443 [09:30:34] <shortCircuit__> I can't check the server's log .. they are not my servers
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1447 [09:31:24] <shortCircuit__> I can't ping the ip that is available when it should be when connected to the server
1448 [09:31:25] <r4co0n> shortCircuit__, you should be able to turn up verbosity (really loud, if you want) and then see a difference in the client connection log
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1450 [09:31:33] <shortCircuit__> ok
1451 [09:31:45] <r4co0n> in your client.conf
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1457 [09:34:09] <questionaire> is xfce4 4.12 available in jessie-backports?
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1466 [09:35:35] <r4co0n> questionaire, replaced-url
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1470 [09:36:14] <questionaire> there is no backports there r4co0n
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1473 [09:37:02] <r4co0n> questionaire, do a normal search, then, at the top, you get "Limit to suite" where it also lists the backports
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1479 [09:38:32] <Mahe> questionaire: afaik it isn't in jessie-backports
1480 [09:38:54] <questionaire> r4co0n ?? there is no backports on packages.debian
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1483 [09:39:15] <jelly> questionaire: typically backports only contain small, self-contained pieces of software, or stuff that's otherwise useless or nonexistent in stable. A desktop environment is a huge combo of packages and dependencies
1484 [09:39:21] <questionaire> Mahe alright, but bumped out because pulse audio volume controler is not available
1485 [09:39:31] <jelly> ,v pavucontrol
1486 [09:39:33] <judd> Package: pavucontrol on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0-1; jessie: 2.0-3; stretch: 3.0-3+b2; sid: 3.0-3+b2
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1488 [09:39:44] <jelly> questionaire: what do you mean not available?
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1490 [09:39:53] <questionaire> jelly yeah I am currently using that but it makes my de feel not smoothened out
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1492 [09:40:06] <questionaire> jelly the old xfce4 packages do not support pusle audio
1493 [09:40:21] <questionaire> jelly pulse audio support is only in testing and stid now
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1495 [09:40:26] <jelly> ah
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1497 [09:40:32] <r4co0n> questionaire, the package in question at replaced-url
1498 [09:40:35] <jelly> adjust your expectations
1499 [09:41:06] <questionaire> jelly i found a thread on forums.debian after researching abit which seems solid but I would prefer backports
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1502 [09:41:51] <jelly> questionaire: you're more likely to create more problems this way, it may be saner to live with that one tool not looking the exact same way as the others
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1504 [09:42:38] <Mahe> questionaire: I use a custom xfce4.12 jessie backports repo (some kind soul published) since months just fine on jessie, I can link you the instructions if needed
1505 [09:42:53] <questionaire> mahe is the mxrepo ?
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1509 [09:43:34] <Mahe> questionaire: mxrepo? what's that?
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1518 [09:44:58] <questionaire> mahe yes please do share. On the debian forums they where talking about a mepis repo for jessie with some xfce4 4.12 updates in them and I wondered if that is the repo you are using
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1535 [09:48:51] <Mahe> Xfce 4.12 for jessie: replaced-url
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1542 [09:51:30] <Mahe> I don't know if it's still updated/maintained but it runs beautifully stable for me so I actually don't bother.
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1545 [09:52:18] <Mahe> Would still prefer Xfce 4.12 in the official backports nonetheless. It's a shame it hasn't been included there after all this time ...
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1547 [09:53:08] <jelly> something that large, and the version in stable still usable, may never be included in backports
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1559 [09:54:45] <jelly> Mahe: replaced-url
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1567 [09:57:15] <Mahe> jelly: that's the overview page of the repo I'm using, yes
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1578 [10:00:12] <questionaire> mahe thanks!
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1603 [10:07:13] <chemist> Hello everyone :) I'm using Debian Jessie with xfce4 as my DE. I've read online on some forums that the desktop zoom should be enabled by default with the key combination (Alt + Mouse scroll). But it doesn't work. I need this feature for work, is there an easy way of enabling/installing this? Please help anyone :)
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1609 [10:09:26] <rafalcpp> Well ##network doesn't know so maybe here... my debian receives a ping6-request on tun0 network interface. But it ignores it and does not at all send ping6-reply. (I monitor tun- with wireshark). Why could that be? To other ping6-requests, that to me look the same basically, it DOES send replies. what can be going on?
1610 [10:09:34] <Mahe> chemist: is compositing enabled for xfwm4 on your system?
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1613 [10:10:04] <chemist> let me check
1614 [10:10:19] <Mahe> chemist: (settings > window manager tweaks > compositing) or something along those lines
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1616 [10:11:46] <chemist> yes
1617 [10:11:48] <chemist> it is enabled
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1619 [10:12:04] <chemist> Mahe, because I use window transparency, I remember enabling it
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1625 [10:14:19] <Mahe> chemist: what does "xfconf-query -c xfwm4 -p /general/zoom_desktop" say?
1626 [10:16:17] <CtrlC> Hey what is this line in terminal called? "user@debian:"
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1629 [10:16:55] <Mahe> CtrlC: "prompt" I guess
1630 [10:17:01] <CtrlC> Thanks.
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1640 [10:21:55] <babilen> CtrlC: why?
1641 [10:22:08] <CtrlC> babilen, Writing readmes.
1642 [10:22:28] <babilen> Ah, fair enough :)
1643 [10:22:36] <chemist> Mahe, just a sec, let me finish something at work
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1655 [10:24:31] <crCr62U0> Hello. What should i do to add trigger to run script.sh if package #1,#2,...,#n was installed or upgraded?
1656 [10:25:06] <crCr62U0> Ty for help.
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1660 [10:26:49] <babilen> crCr62U0: You'd place suitable configuration in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ that'll call your script. You are probably looking for DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs
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1662 [10:27:14] <babilen> In there you can check if this concerns one of your special packages
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1664 [10:28:12] <chemist> Mahe, Property "/general/zoom_desktop" does not exist on channel "xfwm4".
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1667 [10:28:50] <Mahe> chemist: well, that's strange
1668 [10:28:59] <chemist> It sure is :)
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1670 [10:29:28] <Mahe> chemist: wait, you're running jessie, aren't you?
1671 [10:29:35] <chemist> yes
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1674 [10:30:11] <chemist> Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 (jessie)
1675 [10:30:33] <Mahe> chemist: jessie includes Xfce 4.10, the zoom feature seems to have been introduced with 4.11
1676 [10:31:01] <chemist> :/
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1679 [10:31:21] <chemist> Is there a way of upgrading to xfce 4.11 without crashing something? :D
1680 [10:32:11] <Mahe> the uneven numbers (4.11 etc.) are development releases, 4.12 is what you'd be looking for - which is the latest stable one
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1682 [10:32:30] <babilen> judd: v xfce4
1683 [10:32:31] <judd> Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.8.0.3; jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; sid: 4.12.3
1684 [10:33:11] <Mahe> chemist: although there is unfortunately no 4.12 in the jessie-backports repo, I can recommend you a custom repo on opensuse builds that carries 4.12 for jessie (I've been using it for months)
1685 [10:33:41] <babilen> chemist: You can't install 4.12 on jessie, but it has been packaged in Debian and is available in stretch or sid. You might, however, not want to run a development release of Debian on boxes that you need to function/for work.
1686 [10:33:57] <chemist> :/ ok
1687 [10:34:11] <chemist> I guess I'll have to switch back to ubuntu
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1690 [10:34:29] <crCr62U0> babilen can you show me an example of that folder from debian machine?
1691 [10:34:38] <babilen> That being said: stretch shouldn't be too bad now and I would personally consider that to be a better option than unsupported third party repositories. Running Ubuntu is certainly an option.
1692 [10:35:00] <babilen> crCr62U0: Why don't you take a look yourself?
1693 [10:35:26] <chemist> But I like debian better since I've switched to it. :( No useless additions (like with ubuntu)
1694 [10:35:39] <chemist> and seems more stable to me
1695 [10:35:45] <OpenTokix> 4.12.3 in debian testing
1696 [10:35:51] <chemist> faster also :)
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1698 [10:36:14] <babilen> chemist: Sure, Debian is nice, but if the most important thing is that you get that zoom feature than you will have to run a distribution or Debian release that supports it.
1699 [10:36:26] <OpenTokix> babilen: :D
1700 [10:36:28] <chemist> I understand
1701 [10:36:44] <Mahe> chemist: as already said, you have to options: use the 3rd party 4.12 repo with jessie or switch to stretch
1702 [10:36:56] <chemist> On the other hand I don't have the time during work to reinstall my OS. So I guess I'll just have to deal with not having the feature.
1703 [10:37:08] <babilen> You said that you can't work without it ;)
1704 [10:37:22] <chemist> Well I "can" but it's a drag.
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1706 [10:37:51] <chemist> Need to put my eyes 2 cm from the screen on some occasions :D
1707 [10:38:08] <babilen> Stretch will be released soonish™ (~6 months would be my guess) and you do have options to get hold of 4.12, but they come with their own disadvantages
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1714 [10:40:44] <crCr62U0> babilen where do you read about full syntax of apt.conf.d/*.?
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1719 [10:43:22] <crCr62U0> Ty for useless help.
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1721 [10:44:46] <jelly> !next
1722 [10:44:47] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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1724 [10:46:30] <babilen> wtf, that's not the first time is it?
1725 [10:48:07] <bezaban> was trying to point him in the right direction yesterday. I'll have his refund ready next time he comes in
1726 [10:48:32] <jelly> let's see
1727 [10:48:38] <jelly> !stretch pool 1
1728 [10:48:38] <dpkg> ! TomTomTosch=2017-08-08 greycat=2017-08-15 jellÿ=2017-03-17 themíll=2016-05-01
1729 [10:48:47] <jelly> !stretch pool
1730 [10:48:48] <dpkg> See <stretch pool 1> for bets placed on when Stretch will release. To add one, ask me about <stretch bet>.
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1732 [10:49:03] <questionaire> is stretch already frozen_
1733 [10:49:06] <questionaire> ?
1734 [10:49:08] <jelly> nope
1735 [10:49:12] <jelly> !stretch freeze
1736 [10:49:13] <dpkg> Stretch will start to freeze in early 2017; no new versions of packages will enter the release as this is a period of intense bug fixing. See replaced-url
1737 [10:49:37] <jelly> !pal themíll
1738 [10:49:37] * dpkg points at themíll and laughs uproariously
1739 [10:49:38] <babilen> questionaire: As always that'll happen on Guy Fawkes Day
1740 [10:49:40] <TomTomTosch> oy, making multiple entries with random umlaut characters is cheating!
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1742 [10:49:55] <jelly> single entries.
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1842 [11:47:01] <P0KEM0N> hola
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1844 [11:47:11] <P0KEM0N> ;( I want to set its folder from the right click open command window here
1845 [11:47:12] <P0KEM0N> in um
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1848 [11:48:59] <babilen> Which program is "um" ?
1849 [11:48:59] <P0KEM0N> thunar
1850 [11:49:07] <P0KEM0N> soz had to check haha
1851 [11:49:42] <P0KEM0N> and the terminal I want to set the folder for is guake
1852 [11:50:16] <P0KEM0N> preferably in a new tab if thats not too greedy haha
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1856 [11:50:47] <elsewho> hello
1857 [11:50:48] <elsewho> how can one list the files belonging to a package?
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1865 [11:53:43] <TomTomTo1> elsewho: dpkg-query -L <pkg>
1866 [11:54:04] <cuker> i have a server in rescue mode and I'm trying to install the kernel, how do I add a repository to fix it?
1867 [11:54:45] <babilen> cuker: You mean that you don't have any repositories configured in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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1870 [11:55:15] <cuker> babilen: i have these
1871 [11:55:18] <cuker> deb replaced-url
1872 [11:55:18] <cuker> deb replaced-url
1873 [11:55:35] <cuker> but it doesn't find the package when i try to reinstall
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1875 [11:55:48] <babilen> Which package is that?
1876 [11:55:51] <babilen> dpkg: bat
1877 [11:55:52] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1878 [11:56:05] <cuker> apt-get install --resintall linux-image-3.10.101
1879 [11:56:26] <babilen> That package is not in Debian nor is that kernel version in use.
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1883 [11:56:44] <babilen> You also want "--reinstall" rather than "--resintall"
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1886 [11:57:15] <babilen> cuker: What does "uname -a" and "dpkg -l|grep linux-image" give you?
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1888 [11:57:47] <cuker> uname -a
1889 [11:57:47] <cuker> Linux rescue 3.10.101 #2 SMP Fri Apr 15 08:26:53 UTC 2016 x86_64 GNU/Linux
1890 [11:57:54] <babilen> P0KEM0N: You might want to ask in a XFCE channel, I can't help you with that
1891 [11:57:55] <cuker> dpkg -l | grep linux-image
1892 [11:57:55] <dpkg> No packages found matching | grep linux-image
1893 [11:57:57] <cuker> nothing
1894 [11:58:11] <P0KEM0N> babilen, all good its not important anyway haha
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1896 [11:58:35] <babilen> cuker: Where is that kernel from?
1897 [11:58:56] <cuker> that is what uname -a gives
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1900 [11:59:19] <babilen> cuker: What does "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64" give you?
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1902 [11:59:56] <JyZyXEL> is it considered normal that your Mouse cursor becomes _extremely_ laggy and unresponsive when you plug in a USB 3 Mass Storage device in to the same hub and start a file transfer?
1903 [12:00:27] <JyZyXEL> is there like no QoS for USB devices, so that the mice would continue to function during file transfer?
1904 [12:00:43] <cuker> babilen: i put in paste.debian.net
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1906 [12:00:59] <babilen> cuker: Yes, please do
1907 [12:01:17] <cuker> apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64
1908 [12:01:18] <cuker> linux-image-amd64:
1909 [12:01:18] <cuker> Installed: (none)
1910 [12:01:18] <cuker> Candidate: 3.16+63
1911 [12:01:18] <cuker> Version table:
1912 [12:01:18] <cuker> 3.16+63 0
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1914 [12:01:28] <babilen> ...
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1916 [12:01:48] <cuker> babilen, i already pasted it ther
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1918 [12:01:51] <babilen> cuker: Didn't you just say that you'll use replaced-url
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1920 [12:01:59] <babilen> cuker: Do you have a link?
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1922 [12:02:08] <cuker> replaced-url
1923 [12:02:18] <cuker> babilen, didn't know how to use it
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1926 [12:03:18] <babilen> Okay, looks as if you don't have that kernel package. What does "apt-cache policy linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64" give you? And could you paste the command you used for "dpkg -l|grep linux-image" and its output again?
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1928 [12:04:00] <babilen> Ah, throw in the output of "ls /boot" also
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1930 [12:04:55] <cuker> babilen, replaced-url
1931 [12:06:17] <babilen> cuker: Great, what about "ls /boot" ?
1932 [12:06:33] <cuker> doesn't exist
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1934 [12:06:54] <cuker> babilen, ls /boot is empty
1935 [12:07:24] <babilen> Okay .. that is most certainly not a normal installation nor do you have any kernel packages installed. Could this be an OpenVZ box or another form of hosted VM?
1936 [12:07:35] <TomTomTo1> so you are using the 1and1 resque tool for VPS, which is some custom live system.
1937 [12:07:53] <cuker> it's a hosted dedicated server
1938 [12:08:01] <cuker> babilen, not a vm
1939 [12:09:20] <babilen> cuker: You are chrooted into your system, aren't you?
1940 [12:09:27] <babilen> Or logged in
1941 [12:09:43] <cuker> babilen, logged in into rescue mode through a serial console
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1944 [12:10:03] <babilen> Ah, its 1&1
1945 [12:10:13] <cuker> babilen, yes
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1947 [12:10:37] <babilen> cuker: I'd suggest to chroot into your system and repeat this exercise
1948 [12:10:41] <babilen> dpkg: fixmbr
1949 [12:10:41] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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1951 [12:10:58] <babilen> You can use ^^ to do so (do not reinstall grub and adapt to your situation)
1952 [12:10:59] <cuker> babilen, how do I chrrot into the system?
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1956 [12:11:50] <cuker> dpkg: rescue mode
1957 [12:11:50] <dpkg> Debian-Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details; ask me about <install guide>.
1958 [12:12:01] <cuker> dpkg: install guide
1959 [12:12:01] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at replaced-url
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1962 [12:13:57] <babilen> cuker: That's *not* the rescue mode nor the installation your hoster provided (and you would presumably have to ask them about the specifics of that system)
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1964 [12:14:44] <cuker> babilen, should i resinstall or is there a chance to fix it?
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1966 [12:15:48] <babilen> cuker: I have seen no indication that you have to reinstall at all, nor am I sure what the actual problem is. That is: *Why* are you in their rescue system to begin with?
1967 [12:16:19] <babilen> You should chroot into your system. The exact manner to do so depends on your system's and your hoster's setup.
1968 [12:16:27] <cuker> babilen, this a is a friend's box, he asked me to troubleshoot, there has a been a disk failure and somone has booted it into rescue mode
1969 [12:16:30] <babilen> You might want to contact them for more specific help.
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1971 [12:16:59] <babilen> cuker: Then you might want to fsck the root filesystem manually.
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1973 [12:17:07] <babilen> I can't tell you which device it is
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1975 [12:17:58] <babilen> lsblk might yield something interesting
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2026 [12:37:26] <nickgaw> Hi, Where can I download the source for grub-legasy as the download pages have nothing on them?
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2059 [12:50:47] <CtrlC> Can a user running a vpn affect ssh connections to it?
2060 [12:50:54] <CtrlC> Can i normally ssh to it?
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2069 [12:51:57] <google77> When are freezes starting?
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2072 [12:52:24] <CtrlC> google77, talking to me?
2073 [12:52:27] <CtrlC> ah
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2075 [12:52:31] <CtrlC> my bad.
2076 [12:52:33] <google77> no
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2082 [12:54:17] <bezaban> CtrlC: yes, you can get asymmetric routing
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2086 [12:55:02] <bezaban> if I understand what you mean by 'it' and 'user'
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2088 [12:55:20] <babilen> google77: Guy Fawkes Night (5.11)
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2090 [12:55:29] <CtrlC> it = the user than runs the vpn bezaban
2091 [12:55:36] <CtrlC> so I can't normally ssh?
2092 [12:55:37] <bezaban> CtrlC: you cant ssh to users
2093 [12:55:48] <CtrlC> what?
2094 [12:55:54] <bezaban> you ssh to a machine is my point
2095 [12:56:02] <bezaban> or a host rather
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2097 [12:56:30] <seoner> CtrlC: you can ssh _as_ users
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2102 [12:57:16] <CtrlC> so do I need to do extra stuff if a user lets say $user runs a vpn using wicd or something? Like would ssh $user@IP just fine?
2103 [12:57:16] <babilen> google77: Well, there are multiple deadlines: replaced-url
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2106 [12:57:39] <CtrlC> work just fine*
2107 [12:57:51] <bezaban> CtrlC: depends entirely on how you do routing wrt to the vpn. You can get in a scenario where you have asymmetric routing while a vpn connection is up and hence connections to the host will fail
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2112 [12:58:44] <CtrlC> bezaban, Do you have any quick link or something on how to do it?
2113 [12:58:53] <google77> babilen what's the recommended thing to do once freeze starts? should I be on the stretch or testing repositories?
2114 [12:58:56] <CtrlC> idk what wrt is.
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2116 [12:59:10] <babilen> google77: That depends on what you want *after* the release
2117 [12:59:25] <babilen> For now they are linked to each other
2118 [12:59:32] <babilen> (or rather stretch is linked to testing)
2119 [12:59:32] <bezaban> CtrlC: you want to allow ssh connections while a ssh is up? You are only asking very general questions, please try to be a little more specific. wrt means with regard to
2120 [12:59:39] <bezaban> while a vpn* is up
2121 [12:59:45] <google77> babilen I guess I would prefer to wait a month and then switch back to testing again
2122 [12:59:56] <babilen> google77: You want "stretch" in that case
2123 [13:00:02] <babilen> (and that's sensible)
2124 [13:00:04] <google77> aha, thx.
2125 [13:00:06] <bezaban> you can either not forward ssh traffic in general or do it only for specific hosts, alternatively you can have another interface. It all depends what traffic you want/need over the vpn
2126 [13:00:11] <bezaban> CtrlC: ^
2127 [13:00:17] <CtrlC> bezaban, I want to make sure nothing gets broken if I run a vpn on a vps. I want to know what issue might come up?
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2129 [13:00:59] <CtrlC> bezaban, there are some programs that I want to go through the VPN. The entire user would do that.
2130 [13:01:01] <bezaban> CtrlC: ah yes, you may break your networking while playing with that. Hopefully your provider has a way of doing a remote reboot
2131 [13:01:13] <bezaban> vpns do not work per user
2132 [13:01:44] <CtrlC> how can I get it per user?
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2134 [13:02:00] <bezaban> CtrlC: not sure its possible.
2135 [13:02:31] <CtrlC> bezaban, how to do the running vpn without broking the system then?
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2137 [13:03:30] <bezaban> CtrlC: it is a mix of knowing your network topology, how routing works & vpn setup. I don't have a quick guide handy I'm afraid
2138 [13:03:44] <babilen> "don't get it wrong"
2139 [13:03:49] <bezaban> yeah lol
2140 [13:03:57] <CtrlC> bezaban, so I need to get help from vps providers?
2141 [13:04:02] <bezaban> don't know what other advice to give, it becomes very specific
2142 [13:04:19] <bezaban> CtrlC: no, not really, but if they offer/you pay for support that might be a way to go
2143 [13:04:23] <babilen> As with firewalls: you might want to consider scheduling something that reverts your change if it isn't stopped within a certain amount of time
2144 [13:04:53] <CtrlC> wouldn't I be able to control that? on ssh?
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2146 [13:05:02] <CtrlC> I need it up and running.
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2148 [13:06:04] <bezaban> CtrlC: babilen has a good tip. Also I would start with local networks only and don't go for default route over vpn (if that is what you are trying to accomplish). Also maybe specifically add a route with a low metric to the host/network you are managing the vps from
2149 [13:06:39] <CtrlC> I have no clue what those are.
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2152 [13:08:15] <babilen> What are you trying to achieve with that VPN? Have you ever configured a VPN before?
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2154 [13:08:40] <CtrlC> I did using graphical net managers.
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2156 [13:09:24] <CtrlC> I need to change the ip of a program it runs to another location.
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2158 [13:09:31] <babilen> In that you have been given a working VPN client configuration beforehand, but you never configured the server side?
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2162 [13:09:54] <shortCircuit__> hey
2163 [13:10:02] <shortCircuit__> I have a question
2164 [13:10:09] <CtrlC> babilen, I don't have access to vpn server.
2165 [13:10:36] <babilen> CtrlC: What do you mean by "change the ip of a program ... to another location" ?
2166 [13:10:41] <bezaban> CtrlC: alternatively you could do a reverse proxy at the other site
2167 [13:10:45] <shortCircuit__> when I change the /etc/resolv.conf .. it doesn't work . but when I change from the network settings then it changes the resolv.conf and then things work
2168 [13:10:47] <shortCircuit__> why is that
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2170 [13:11:10] <bezaban> but I am jumping to conclusions, probably wise to get some more background yes
2171 [13:11:21] <babilen> shortCircuit__: It would work if you edit /etc/resolv.conf, could you provide information in a paste on replaced-url
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2174 [13:11:32] <shortCircuit__> ok
2175 [13:11:42] <CtrlC> babilen, I have an ip. Lets say I open google. it will get my ip. Now I set up a vpn and going to google it'll get another ip.
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2177 [13:12:10] <babilen> You can't change Google's IP addresses
2178 [13:12:11] <CtrlC> bezaban, Can you explain more?
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2180 [13:12:21] <CtrlC> babilen, my ip that google sees!
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2183 [13:12:54] <babilen> Okay, and you have been given a working VPN configuration that allows you to do that?
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2185 [13:13:00] <babilen> (client config that is)
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2188 [13:13:34] <CtrlC> babilen, I want to use something like surfeasy lets say.replaced-url
2189 [13:13:39] <CtrlC> whatever.
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2198 [13:15:08] <CtrlC> bezaban, do you have any idea how to do it?
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2201 [13:15:22] <shortCircuit__> replaced-url
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2203 [13:15:31] <CtrlC> any program, tutorial anything that helps.
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2206 [13:16:21] <babilen> shortCircuit__: Are you sure that is on Debian?
2207 [13:16:35] <shortCircuit__> which one ?
2208 [13:16:42] <shortCircuit__> the change not reflecting ?
2209 [13:16:45] <shortCircuit__> hm
2210 [13:16:52] <babilen> shortCircuit__: The files you are showing
2211 [13:17:02] <babilen> They are mentioning "this Mac OS X system"
2212 [13:17:07] <shortCircuit__> oh the comments are mac ..
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2215 [13:17:16] <shortCircuit__> I just copy pasted the whole file
2216 [13:17:19] <shortCircuit__> no worries
2217 [13:17:28] <babilen> Why would you have those comments on Debian?
2218 [13:17:46] <shortCircuit__> ah, I copied the files with scp and sudo mv
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2221 [13:18:05] <babilen> You also mention that you use "tunnelblick in mac"
2222 [13:18:06] <shortCircuit__> do I have to restart after channging the resolv.conf
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2224 [13:18:15] <abrotman> no
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2226 [13:18:35] <shortCircuit__> yes .. at office everyone uses mac .. they think osx is a real os
2227 [13:18:38] <babilen> And it would work right away
2228 [13:18:43] <shortCircuit__> :(
2229 [13:19:06] <babilen> How are you testing if it "works" or not?
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2231 [13:19:55] <shortCircuit__> we have an ip. when the tunnelblick is there, and the connection to vpn is success then there is an ip that we have to hit (company portal)
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2233 [13:20:06] <shortCircuit__> with openvpn when I connect manually it doesn't work
2234 [13:20:34] <shortCircuit__> then I looked at the log files, tunnelblick provides one and in debian i used strace -f
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2236 [13:20:54] <shortCircuit__> then I saw that the dns setup is not being done when I connect manually with openvpn
2237 [13:21:10] <bezaban> CtrlC: I'm afraid it might be hard asking such general questions on irc, you have to get yourself dirty, make some attempts and ask more specific questions when you encounter problems. Someone else might be able to do some free consulting, but I'm afraid I don't offer that now
2238 [13:21:34] <babilen> shortCircuit__: Would you need the VPN to connect to those nameservers?
2239 [13:21:49] <CtrlC> bezaban, I just don't know how to get dirty now. Where to start
2240 [13:21:59] <shortCircuit__> there is one nameserver the 169.254.169.254
2241 [13:22:07] <babilen> shortCircuit__: Can you reach it?
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2243 [13:22:29] <shortCircuit__> ping it? when connected to vpn or not connected ?
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2246 [13:23:02] <babilen> I'd test with "dig @169.254.169.254 name.of.a.box.you.cant.resolve" but yeah
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2251 [13:24:47] <BrahRah> how do I express all files and folders and subfolders in debian?
2252 [13:24:52] <BrahRah> is this just *
2253 [13:25:12] <BrahRah> I need this for resync backup
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2255 [13:25:56] <BrahRah> this is what I've been able to put together so far: rsync -rtavzu --verbose --delete -e "ssh -p $12345" "\"/cygdrive/c/cygwin64/bin/ssh.exe\"" "user@111.111.111.111:/*" "cygdrive/h/ServerBackup"
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2257 [13:26:25] <BrahRah> but user@111.111.111.111:/* is probably frwon
2258 [13:26:27] <BrahRah> wrong
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2262 [13:27:42] <BrahRah> when I google this problem they use find but I'm not sure where I have to put that in
2263 [13:27:54] <BrahRah> since they use find at the start of the command
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2288 [13:36:31] <babilen> shortCircuit__: And, does that work?
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2292 [13:37:14] <shortCircuit__> oh .. one sec .. I am trying this one replaced-url
2293 [13:37:37] <shortCircuit__> I got lost in google search .. yeah when I dig .. it returns a response
2294 [13:37:56] <shortCircuit__> ;; SERVER: 169.254.169.254#53(169.254.169.254) ;; WHEN: Thu Oct 27 17:07:41 2016 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 108
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2312 [13:43:49] <shortCircuit__> \o/
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2347 [14:03:09] <sobczyk> hi, how can I add paths for dh_python{2,3} to consider? I am making a package with /opt prefix
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2352 [14:04:07] <spleen> Bonjour
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2379 [14:22:00] <shortCircuit__> is it possible to connect to internet using wifi as well as ethernet cable? if so how does the os decide which traffic goes through which one?
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2390 [14:24:38] <OpenTokix> shortCircuit__: By priority on the connections that you can see using the netstat -nr command and metric option in route command.
2391 [14:24:40] <peetaur2> shortCircuit__: yes you can connect as many as you want; run ip r command, and it *basically* takes the first that matches. But you can set up other things, like replaced-url
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2410 [14:30:28] <corbytacrb> hi all
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2412 [14:30:36] <shortCircuit__> ok cool
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2414 [14:30:56] <shortCircuit__> networking and learning how os handles it .. this is so cool
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2417 [14:31:44] <shortCircuit__> and to the CEO and this assitant, who said you are wasting your time if you don't learn touch typing .. ON HIS FACE
2418 [14:31:45] <shortCircuit__> :D
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2422 [14:32:42] <Tymoti> Hi, how can I install alsa from source on Debian jessie ?
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2425 [14:34:09] <shortCircuit__> I am also planning a write a simple compiler .. that does IR .. I am impressed by replaced-url
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2495 [15:00:31] <shortCircuit__> how to make a terminal ?
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2497 [15:00:57] <shortCircuit__> not using vte .. that has a fucked up codebase
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2517 [15:08:08] <shortCircuit__> replaced-url
2518 [15:08:12] <shortCircuit__> linux
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2526 [15:11:32] <OpenTokix> shortCircuit__: yes, route command
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2540 [15:16:31] <shortCircuit__> ok
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2557 [15:20:37] <shortCircuit__> but how does one add a searchdomain with route add
2558 [15:21:07] <shortCircuit__> dns I guess I can add with route add default gw serverip
2559 [15:21:11] <bezaban> shortCircuit__: you can't.
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2562 [15:21:32] <shortCircuit__> so directly edit the resolv.conf .. sudo tee !!
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2580 [15:27:23] <corbytacrb> #craiva
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2622 [15:44:58] <Flashtek> Good afternoon peoples. I am trying to make a Debian box, with dnsmasq installed, silently drop AAAA requests. I found the command "iptables -A AAAA -m dns --query-type AAAA -j DROP" but my Jessie box just reports that it can't load the match (which I think means I am missing an extension). I installed "xtables-addons-common" but the problem persists... any thoughts on this appreciated.
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2625 [15:46:36] <gebruiker> aah
2626 [15:46:50] <gebruiker> took the plunge and dist-upgraded to sid
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2635 [15:48:54] <RoyK> !sns
2636 [15:48:55] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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2638 [15:50:00] <cuker> dpkg: backports
2639 [15:50:00] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
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2641 [15:50:12] <cuker> dpkg: ssb
2642 [15:50:12] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
2643 [15:50:17] <gebruiker> i followed the offical handbook fuck what dpkg says
2644 [15:50:47] <gebruiker> sorry for the blunt expression, but i am sure you can imagine fancy reasons for justifying the handbook
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2646 [15:51:29] <RoyK> !debian-next
2647 [15:51:30] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2654 [15:56:00] <r3m1> hello
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2658 [15:56:49] <r3m1> I have modified apache web server configurations, and when I do a service apache2 restarts, it fails with the following message Reloading web server config: apache2 failed!
2659 [15:57:07] <r3m1> which log shall I look into to see what's wrong ?
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2662 [15:57:34] <xormor> is there a reason I should use aptitude or apt-get instead of "apt"?
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2665 [15:57:49] <CalTech> Hi!
2666 [15:57:53] <CalTech> I'm CalTech!
2667 [15:57:56] <CalTech> How are you all?
2668 [15:58:21] <r3m1> alright, found the bug
2669 [15:58:22] <missmbob> r3m1: sudo apachectl configtest might help
2670 [15:58:31] <OpenTokix> xormor: cool progressbar
2671 [15:58:34] <r3m1> thx missmbob
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2678 [16:00:17] <JyZyXEL> can i debootstrap on top of a existing chroot?
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2694 [16:05:40] <babilen> JyZyXEL: What do you expect that to achieve?
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2696 [16:05:50] <babilen> And: What happened when you tried?
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2698 [16:06:57] <JyZyXEL> im just a bit concerned because i enabled "passwd" and "groups" in schroot nssdatabases after i had already debootsrapped the system
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2701 [16:07:25] <JyZyXEL> meaning it overwrote the groups and passwords on the chrooted system with the host configurations
2702 [16:07:55] <JyZyXEL> they might or might not match the uid/gid's on the chrooted filesystem anymore
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2704 [16:08:20] <JyZyXEL> it's hard to say, because schroot does not back up the old ones
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2708 [16:09:05] <JyZyXEL> so im thinking i might want to redo the whole chroot with debootstrap
2709 [16:09:12] <JyZyXEL> just to be sure
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2711 [16:09:46] <DammitJim> I have a samba mount to another linux server
2712 [16:09:56] <DammitJim> I turned off that other server and now df is hung on my machine
2713 [16:10:00] <DammitJim> how long until that returns?
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2715 [16:10:24] <DammitJim> sorry, not a linux server, it's a windows server
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2723 [16:16:55] <jhutchins> DammitJim: WHen are you planning to reboot next?
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2725 [16:17:28] <DammitJim> I"m bringing the windows server back up now
2726 [16:17:31] <Flashtek> open another terminal and kill the process, then force unmount the share
2727 [16:17:37] <DammitJim> the problem I have is that there are applications that depend on that mount
2728 [16:17:48] <DammitJim> and I want to be notified when the resource is not available
2729 [16:17:59] <DammitJim> and so far my scripts that look into /proc/mounts is not alerting me
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2732 [16:18:15] <Flashtek> nagios or similar?
2733 [16:18:23] <DammitJim> for some reason (which I have to look into), some server mounts are disconnecting on me w/o me knowing
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2736 [16:19:31] <n4dir> what is the question DammitJim
2737 [16:19:40] <Flashtek> DammitJim: might want to look in to the nagios scripts... much can be tested with that, and doesn't mandate running the nagios UI
2738 [16:20:04] <DammitJim> n4dir I have server mounts
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2740 [16:20:20] <DammitJim> sometimes those mounts become unavailable on the server and applications rely on those paths
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2743 [16:20:31] <DammitJim> I need to be able to #1 get notified that the resource is no longer available
2744 [16:20:42] <DammitJim> #2 try to remount it automatically
2745 [16:20:55] <DammitJim> I tested this by turning off the remote server
2746 [16:21:04] <DammitJim> but my scripts that check /proc/mounts are not alerting me
2747 [16:21:07] <DammitJim> also doing a df just hangs
2748 [16:21:25] <Flashtek> that's likely because, as far as the system is aware, it's still mounted
2749 [16:21:26] <Flashtek> just stale
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2751 [16:21:29] <n4dir> you probably will want to pastebin your script in that case.
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2757 [16:22:13] <DammitJim> n4dir, the script just does this: if ! grep -qs "/mnt/servermount" /proc/mounts; then alert;fi
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2776 [16:28:23] <n4dir> and alert else does work?
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2778 [16:29:22] <n4dir> that is: i can't figure out what "alert" might be ...
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2787 [16:32:07] <DammitJim> no
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2791 [16:33:23] <n4dir> Well: i guess that is your problem.
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2799 [16:36:34] <DammitJim> no, the problem is that the system is NOT telling me that the mount is not thre
2800 [16:36:45] <DammitJim> and like I said... the df command hangs and doesn't return
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2802 [16:36:56] <DammitJim> so, what should I be checking so that the system gives me a state of the mount
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2806 [16:37:50] <n4dir> you should have asked that in the first place. just saying. anyway, i got other things to do now
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2809 [16:39:44] <lantern> i'm having this odd issue with ssh on a new installation. any idea how to turn of the debug message? sshd_config shows Loglevel ERROR. replaced-url
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2837 [16:47:46] <SerajewelKS> is there some reason why systemd does not create user journals when logs are transient?
2838 [16:47:57] <SerajewelKS> i can't get any logs from user services :S
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2844 [16:50:06] <lantern> petemc: no, just ssh without parameters
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2856 [16:55:54] <jhutchins> lantern: You might try it with 1-3 -v just to see if you get more context.
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2858 [16:56:08] <jhutchins> lantern: I doubt it's a server-side thing.
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2898 [17:05:14] <jhutchins> ,kernels
2899 [17:05:15] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.8-1); stretch: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.8-1); jessie-backports: 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.7.8-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.82-1)
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2923 [17:09:35] <habs> somiaj: OK, so I tried to make a chroot with "sudo debootstrap stretch /srv/chroot/stretch/" and I eventually got "I: Extracting zlib1g..." / "W: Failure trying to run: chroot /srv/chroot/stretch mount -t proc proc /proc" / "W: See /srv/chroot/stretch/debootstrap/debootstrap.log for details", with debootstrap.log reading "Illegal instruction": replaced-url
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3025 [17:32:55] <Razva> how can I set a cifs to be mounted on boot?
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3037 [17:34:58] <r3m1> have an apache server. Configured a Vhost . There are some cgi-bin that are available in this host. I need to pass environment variables the executables in cgi-bin
3038 [17:35:10] <r3m1> in my .conf I used the PassEnv directive
3039 [17:35:18] <CuteMeOwnThroat> put it in /etc/fstab… man fstab should tell you how
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3043 [17:36:32] <r3m1> the poroblem is that when I start apache, i have warnings [warn] PassEnv variable AUTH_TOKEN was undefined
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3057 [17:42:24] <njumdl2014_> Hello, I have a question about software dependency problem. locales->libc-bin->libc6. When I install libc6, it depends on locales. Wow, how do I solve this problem?
3058 [17:42:31] <njumdl2014_> replaced-url
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3069 [17:45:25] <CuteMeOwnThroat> that's a bit too err, chinese for me… set LANG=C … or possibly even LC_ALL=C before you run commands
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3073 [17:46:08] <CuteMeOwnThroat> judd, versions locales
3074 [17:46:09] <judd> Package: locales on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u11; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u3; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u6; sid: 2.24-5; stretch: 2.24-5
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3077 [17:46:58] <CuteMeOwnThroat> oh, and as this seems to be ubuntu, ask in #ubuntu, not here
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3083 [17:48:24] <njumdl2014> I asked there, but no response.
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3085 [17:48:45] <njumdl2014> Is there any general method to solve software dependency problem?
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3089 [17:49:43] <CuteMeOwnThroat> no… and generally you just don't ever get dependency problems if you only use packages from debian stable
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3094 [17:50:52] <ToTheInternet> Hi. I did an apt-get upgrade which apparently updated libc6 and postgresql. the latter now is not working anymore. 'service postgresql status' says 'active' and 'Started PostgreSQL RDBMS' but there is no process listening on port 5432. there exists, however, a running postgres process.
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3097 [17:52:00] <ToTheInternet> i can't connect locally either, by doing 'psql -U username', it is not able to accept connections.
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3099 [17:52:07] <CuteMeOwnThroat> what version of debian is this… or from what to what did you upgrade
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3105 [17:53:12] <ToTheInternet> CuteMeOwnThroat: it's debian testing
3106 [17:53:36] <ToTheInternet> CuteMeOwnThroat: i hadn't run apt-get upgrade for about 4-6 weeks, can't say exactly.
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3110 [17:55:25] <CuteMeOwnThroat> I'd check bugs.debian.org/postgresql … and you probably want to ask that at irc.oftc.net in #debian-next
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3115 [17:56:59] <CuteMeOwnThroat> apart from that… try to see what errors there may be when you restart… either in logs (/var/log/messages and some postgresql-specific log in /var/log/ ; or possibly via journalctl)
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3118 [17:57:18] <elliot007> Hey today I did a fresh debian install, then I install few utilities and i3 wm and then I installed gnome-disk-utility,
3119 [17:57:20] <CuteMeOwnThroat> I'd also start it manually to see what it may print directly to a terminal
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3121 [17:57:38] <elliot007> then I run it from terminal, it gave me seg fault
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3124 [17:58:24] <elliot007> then I installed gnome-terminal and then I run it again and this time it worked
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3128 [17:58:49] <paul`> Hi folks, what is your sentiment about proxmox ? I'm new to it, and so far I ran into multiple problems and limitations. Is it supposed to be quality work, or just a quick GUI on top of kvm and LXC with nothing really compeling to offer to a decent debian admin ?
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3130 [18:00:24] <CuteMeOwnThroat> they have their own channel here, ##proxmox
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3135 [18:02:22] <jhutchins> !proxmox
3136 [18:02:22] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
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3140 [18:04:35] <kals> hello
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3147 [18:07:05] <kals> can anyone help me real quick? I am developing a little tool that mounts encrypted partition (It's for a school project) and I need to somehow use the device mapper to make a device file wrap around one time. That is, map for example /dev/sda onto, say, /dev/mapper/abc0 such that abc0 has twice the size of sda and repeats all the contents of sda once.
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3149 [18:07:43] <kals> I'm don't expect to get someone to tell me how to achieve that right away but I don't know where to read
3150 [18:07:49] <kals> I don't *
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3155 [18:09:22] <way218> kals: which country are you from ?
3156 [18:09:40] <kals> argentina, why?
3157 [18:09:46] <way218> encryption in school
3158 [18:09:52] <way218> sounds nice
3159 [18:09:55] <kals> well.. college
3160 [18:09:59] <way218> ic
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3164 [18:11:19] <jhutchins> kals: You can mount a partition on itself. Might need to mount -bind
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3168 [18:11:59] <kals> I don't want to mount partitions (yet). I just want to map a device on a way that it contents are "laid out" twice.
3169 [18:12:12] <kals> I kind of just need it to wrap around once
3170 [18:12:38] <way218> losetup has offset and size-limit
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3173 [18:12:52] <way218> you can combine it with a raid
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3178 [18:13:58] <kals> I can? what kind of raid would that be?
3179 [18:14:04] <way218> linear raid
3180 [18:14:17] <way218> you want to double your bitstream, right ?
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3182 [18:14:27] <way218> i thought it the other way round
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3184 [18:14:41] <way218> mak 0b0101 into 0b01010101, right ?
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3187 [18:15:15] <kals> exactly
3188 [18:15:29] <styler2go> Hello. I am trying to setup an IPv6 dyndns. Is there some kind of client to do that? I tried ddclient but it seems like it can only update ipv4
3189 [18:15:34] <kals> 0101 into 01010101
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3191 [18:16:08] <way218> and if you flip bit 0 you also flip bit 4, right ?
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3193 [18:16:51] <CuteMeOwnThroat> kals, "man cryptsetup" is probably the start
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3195 [18:17:32] <kals> that's right way218.
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3197 [18:18:32] <way218> CuteMeOwnThroat: sure this is all ?
3198 [18:18:52] <kals> CuteMeOwnThroat I already read that manpage. But let's just forget about encryption. I want to use encryption after mapping the device so that it wraps around.
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3202 [18:19:51] <CuteMeOwnThroat> way218, no, but clearly the place to start :)
3203 [18:20:11] <kals> yup.
3204 [18:20:13] <way218> yes but i think the encryption part is the smaller problem here
3205 [18:21:41] <kals> exactly. Ive already used cryptsetup to encrypt a volume before. That's not an issue, at least so far.
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3207 [18:21:57] <way218> you dont want to put a filesystem in there, right ?
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3209 [18:23:28] <kals> I do. Its supposed to be deniable encryption. We want to have several different partitions (all of them of the same size) only with their partition tables at different offsets
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3213 [18:24:19] <kals> Also each partition would be mounted under different encryption keys. (That implies using cryptsetup everytime we want to mount a partition)
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3218 [18:25:18] <ignasr> hi, trying to start nfs-kernel-server on xen domU and getting "Not starting NFS kernel daemon: no support in current kernel. ... (warning)." How should I debug this? Does this mean that xen is unable to donfs?
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3220 [18:25:23] <kals> And that also implies that only one partition can be mounted at a time. And that the user has to be careful not to write too many data or it could "bleed out" onto other partitions
3221 [18:25:24] <way218> kals: there is sth. called linear raid. you may be able to concatenate the block device twice
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3225 [18:26:14] <__VEGAN__> Have you eaten ground beef recently? Ground beef is the result of everything outside of the cow's bones (including nerves) being ground up. Ground beef often contains prions (misfolded proteins) which due to mammalic protein metabolism act virally and will cause you to come down with Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) where your brain slowly decays due to holes forming in your
3226 [18:26:14] <__VEGAN__> brain, as the proteins in your body lose their ability to fold properly. Do you feel as smart as you were last week or last month? You may have it. Meat has always been murder, but now, when you serve beef, you may be murdering the ones you love and even yourself. There IS a healthy alternative! Visit replaced-url
3227 [18:26:15] <kals> great. dankeschön way218.
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3229 [18:26:29] <kals> (please tell me you actually are from germany and i didnt make a fool of myself)
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3231 [18:26:51] <way218> its true, but how do you know? shitty english or ip ?
3232 [18:27:31] <kals> ip. i checked when you asked me were i was form haha. ist es nicht verboten andere sprachen zu sprechen , oder?
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3235 [18:27:44] <way218> ich denke schon
3236 [18:28:03] <way218> englishonlyanarchos
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3238 [18:28:12] <kals> haha
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3242 [18:28:38] <kals> anyway. thanks! I will do some reading on linear raids. right now i gtg.
3243 [18:28:58] <way218> if this is the way to go you must asure that there is no caching
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3248 [18:29:18] <way218> i am not sure if this is going to work actually :)
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3250 [18:29:39] <kals> anything helps
3251 [18:29:43] <kals> bye
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3255 [18:30:22] <way218> cu
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3264 [18:32:58] <elliot007> /quit
3265 [18:33:08] <Goddesspapa> What's the voodoo to make Steam not such a pain in the ass on Jessie?
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3268 [18:34:00] <jhutchins> Goddesspapa: It has not been established that steam is a pain in the ass on jessie.
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3270 [18:34:21] <jhutchins> !steam
3271 [18:34:21] <dpkg> Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <non-free>; amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. replaced-url
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3279 [18:39:27] <jhutchins> Well, that was certainly a sparkling conversation.
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3282 [18:40:23] <Goddesspapa> You are a sparkling conversationalist.
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3286 [18:41:43] <jhutchins> Goddesspapa: I think we can say that it's been established that multiarch is, and has always been a pain in the ass.
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3288 [18:43:08] <unborn> jhutchins: would be better to kill spam right a way ;)
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3290 [18:44:03] <xormor> does it matter if I use the normal BIOS startup or UEFI when I want to boot up Debian?
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3293 [18:44:32] <greycat> You mean the installer? Yes, it matters.
3294 [18:44:36] <jhutchins> xormor: Matter in what way?
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3296 [18:45:08] <xormor> jhutchins, it seems that on this computer I am typing on now there is /dev/sda1 for UEFI and some bootup system management and /dev/sda2 is the "root partition".
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3299 [18:45:26] <greycat> If the computer is already set up to boot in UEFI mode, stick with that.
3300 [18:45:42] <xormor> jhutchins, on the other hand on my laptop there is /dev/sda1 for root and no UEFI, just BIOS because I wanted to try it that way.
3301 [18:46:14] <xormor> greycat, this desktop computer I am on now is set up to boot in UEFI mode already.
3302 [18:46:20] <greycat> If the computer is already set up to boot in BIOS mode, stick with that. Don't let the installer boot in UEFI mode on a machine where the hard drive is set up for BIOS.
3303 [18:46:31] <greycat> Been there done that.
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3307 [18:47:38] <xormor> greycat, thanks.
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3339 [19:00:54] <kingkong-> i want to install http 2.7.5 textutil::split and htmlparse 1.2 but couldnt see on apt-cache. im on wheezy. how to install these?
3340 [19:01:49] <greycat> What htmlparse package is that?
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3343 [19:02:22] <greycat> And I can't find any package with both textutil and split in the name....
3344 [19:03:28] <greycat> These sound like package names for some programming language. The question is, *which* language?
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3347 [19:04:12] <kingkong-> its tcl script requires these. replaced-url
3348 [19:04:42] <kingkong-> i found tdom but not others
3349 [19:04:54] <greycat> ,v tcllib
3350 [19:04:55] <judd> Package: tcllib on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.14-dfsg-3+deb7u1; jessie: 1.16-dfsg-2; stretch: 1.18-dfsg-3; sid: 1.18-dfsg-3
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3355 [19:05:30] <greycat> There's an htmlparse in tcllib, and wheezy's version of tcllib is 1.14. Don't know which version of htmlparse specifically is in there.
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3357 [19:06:07] <kingkong-> i think i have tcllib already
3358 [19:06:34] <greycat> Inside tclsh, what does "package require htmlparse" give you?
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3363 [19:08:21] <kingkong-> 1.2
3364 [19:08:35] <greycat> OK, that's settled. Now the others....
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3368 [19:09:18] <greycat> Also inside tclsh, try "package require textutil" and "package require http". Are those version numbers OK too?
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3371 [19:09:40] <Taslehoof> hola
3372 [19:09:42] <Taslehoof> hi
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3374 [19:11:19] <kingkong-> greycat: textutil 0.7.1 and http 2.7.7
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3376 [19:11:54] <greycat> OK, sounds like you have what you need.
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3381 [19:14:14] <kingkong-> but script gives this error replaced-url
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3385 [19:15:42] <greycat> Wheezy has tcl 8.5, not tcl 8.6. Tcl 8.5 doesn't have the "try" command.
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3388 [19:16:29] <greycat> You either need to install tcl 8.6, or redo the script to use only Tcl 8.5 features.
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3393 [19:16:56] <greycat> (Or upgrade to stable.)
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3398 [19:17:20] <matu_> Hi, is Nginx easier to configure than Apache2 ? (for postgres+php development)
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3401 [19:17:41] <matu_> i dislike the configurations files of apache
3402 [19:17:43] <greycat> Some people believe it is. It's mostly a matter of which one you're used to.
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3408 [19:18:24] <nkuttler> for php nothing beats mod php
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3410 [19:18:41] <greycat> nginx + php-fpm is just fine for what little I do
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3412 [19:18:50] <nkuttler> doesn't get simpler than that. that being said, i still run nginx in front of all apaches..
3413 [19:19:05] <matu_> ok
3414 [19:19:25] <matu_> my apache webserver does not execute the php file and the configuration file is a mess
3415 [19:19:36] <matu_> unix services are used to be easier to manage
3416 [19:19:54] <nkuttler> matu_: on debian all you should have to do is to install libapache2-mod-php5
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3418 [19:20:34] <matu_> ok, the php files were not executed by the apache server, it was a mess, i will give it a try later
3419 [19:20:35] <matu_> thank you
3420 [19:20:38] <jelly> matu_: ease of apache config did not change during the last 18 years or so it existed
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3422 [19:21:10] <matu_> ok
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3424 [19:21:53] <greycat> apache 2.4 did change the configuration a bit, which adds difficulty because now you have to contradictory sets of instructions. Three contradictory sets if you include the 1.x docs.
3425 [19:22:00] <greycat> two*
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3429 [19:22:36] <greycat> Double the number of conflicting sets of documentation when you factor in the Debian changes to 1.3, 2.[0-2] and 2.4
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3431 [19:22:47] <jelly> or it eases up because Allow/Deny/Order is thankfully gone
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3433 [19:23:05] <jelly> ymmv
3434 [19:23:17] <greycat> If you were starting from ground zero with apache 2.4 and somehow managed to stumble across documentation that did not use anything OLDER, then sure, it might be simpler.
3435 [19:23:28] <greycat> If you're upgrading from wheezy, forget it.
3436 [19:23:44] <greycat> Nightmare on debian street.
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3439 [19:24:11] <jelly> if one thinks any change, anywhere, is an increase in difficulty, one perhaps should not work in IT
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3443 [19:25:50] <unborn> jelly: yeah IT is bad thing to do :)
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3445 [19:26:32] <kingkong-> greycat: i dont see tcl 8.6 on cache
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3459 [19:29:22] <greycat> I said wheezy doesn't have it. You'll have to install it by compiling upstream source code (replaced-url
3460 [19:29:22] <greycat> If you can upgrade to jessie, that may be a better long-term choice.
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3468 [19:32:11] <kingkong-> i cant upgrade my vps :(
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3470 [19:32:23] <Taslehoof> anyone can tell me the channel to debian Argentina?
3471 [19:32:56] <greycat> Sounds like you're building tcl 8.6 source code then. I'm not sure how to make that see the Debian packages like tcllib though. You might need to experiment or ask #tcl.
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3473 [19:33:22] <kingkong-> Taslehoof maybe /list *debian* or /alis ?
3474 [19:33:23] <greycat> (On my systems, I don't even attempt to use the Debian tcl packages....)
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3476 [19:34:03] <kingkong-> greycat: ok i will try #tcl as first
3477 [19:34:13] <kingkong-> why dont you attempt?
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3480 [19:34:54] <greycat> kingkong-: I build Tcl, then build the packages to install within that version of Tcl.
3481 [19:35:21] <greycat> Installing upstream tcllib isn't terribly hard once you've installed an upstream Tcl.
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3489 [19:37:04] <Taslehoof> thanks kingkong
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3495 [19:38:39] <kingkong-> i think i didnt try it before
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3511 [19:44:39] <habs> jhutchins: somiaj: I was able to successfully install mipsel stable in my chroot, but I got this error after editing my /etc/apt/sources.list to stretch and doing an apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade: replaced-url
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3515 [19:45:56] <somiaj> habs: could be a bug in the package. You can fix the locale warnings with 'apt-get install locales' and then dpkg-reconfigure locales
3516 [19:46:46] <somiaj> habs: umm did you start with a wheezy chroot, you need to upgrade to jessie beofre upgrading to stretch
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3521 [19:48:10] <greycat> He said he "install[ed] mipsel stable", whatever that means.
3522 [19:48:35] <greycat> In any case, stretch upgrade questions belong in #debian-next on OFTC.
3523 [19:49:22] <habs> somiaj: Ah sorry I'm an idiot, forgot to change the initial debootsrap command from wheezy to jessie. Retrying now, and greycat: noted, I'll move to that channel
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3554 [20:04:57] <hanshenrik> som1 should give the eclipse maintainer a kickstart, the eclipse provided, both in testing and unstable, is ancient
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3558 [20:06:00] <greycat> Someone should file a wishlist bug report, then. And learn to spell "someone".
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3567 [20:10:23] <rocket__> hi im using libre office
3568 [20:10:31] <rocket__> libre calc
3569 [20:10:35] <rocket__> is there something better
3570 [20:10:37] <rocket__> it sucks so much
3571 [20:10:39] <cruncher> no
3572 [20:10:40] <rocket__> >D
3573 [20:10:43] <rocket__> ok
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3575 [20:10:49] <rocket__> crashed and stuff
3576 [20:10:52] <rocket__> and its so slow
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3580 [20:11:06] <rocket__> i think its better to write some code
3581 [20:11:15] <rocket__> before this program makes me crayz
3582 [20:11:17] <cruncher> mine is fast as lightning
3583 [20:11:21] <rocket__> crazy
3584 [20:11:36] <rocket__> i have a big table
3585 [20:11:36] <rocket__> more tables
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3587 [20:11:53] <cruncher> when i use libroffice, i run a cpu stresstest to 90% cpu usage so it behaves like a "normal" office should behave
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3589 [20:12:18] <cruncher> otherwise its too fast
3590 [20:12:22] <cruncher> :P
3591 [20:12:24] <rocket__> not that big tho
3592 [20:12:24] <rocket__> i have a prettz fast computer tho
3593 [20:12:24] <rocket__> its only the calc
3594 [20:12:24] <rocket__> writer is fine
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3603 [20:13:50] <greycat> rocket__: Please write at least one full sentence per line.
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3605 [20:14:05] <rocket__> sure
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3611 [20:14:40] <cruncher> rocket__, but depending on the calc file or if you have even macros, it might be slow
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3613 [20:14:49] <cruncher> *content of the
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3616 [20:15:15] <rocket__> im using lot of functions, not that bad but
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3619 [20:15:38] <rocket__> thank dude
3620 [20:15:38] <cruncher> rocket__, just as a comparison, did you try on a friends comouter with ms office to see if its libreoffice or your file?
3621 [20:15:47] <rocket__> yes
3622 [20:15:48] <cruncher> i doubt its (much) faster
3623 [20:15:56] <rocket__> no its not
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3625 [20:16:09] <rocket__> i have a couple of computers here and that one is the fastest of all
3626 [20:16:36] <cruncher> then i guess its all fine, no problem then to solve :)
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3628 [20:17:34] <rocket__> no its not
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3636 [20:18:04] <greycat> If your question is with the coding of libreoffice itself, you might try #libreoffice
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3646 [20:18:45] <rocket__> greycat, my question was rather if there is something better. dont think ppl will anser that there... but its ok i ve got my answer so far.
3647 [20:18:45] <jamesl> how do I get rid of VNC's "too many authentication failures" error when trying to connect without restarting the server? I don't want to close all X11 applications
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3649 [20:18:59] <jamesl> is there something I can do to reset the counter?
3650 [20:20:10] <xff1> hi. Please is there way to see if webserver (nginx) will be restarted during upgrade? (nginx/jessie 1.10.2-1~dotdeb+8.1 all [upgradable from: 1.10.1-1~dotdeb+8.2]) all packages: replaced-url
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3656 [20:20:29] <th0r> jamesl, not sure if it will work, but have you tried resetting the server? 'sudo systemctl restart tightvncserver'
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3658 [20:20:35] <greycat> dotdeb ... whyyyyy ...
3659 [20:20:55] <jamesl> th0r, and that won't kill all running applications in X?
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3661 [20:21:27] <xff1> greycat: there wasn't better alternative
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3663 [20:21:43] <th0r> jamesl, are you talking about things running in X, or things running on the vnc desktop? It will kill whatever is on the vnc desktop. Also...are you running x11vnc on desktop 0?
3664 [20:22:04] <jamesl> things runing on the VNC desktop. specifically, Hexchat
3665 [20:22:19] <GreenMartian> Switched from NM to Wicd in Jessie. Systemd loads Wicd after Pidgin. How to I get Wicd to load earlier?
3666 [20:22:19] <jamesl> I'm running Xtightvnc on desktop 0
3667 [20:22:31] <greycat> Well, it seems pretty clear that if you upgrade nginx from version v1 to version v2, it will be stopped and restarted. Right? What's the question exactly?
3668 [20:22:36] <th0r> jamesl, yes...if it is running on the vnc desktop it will get killed when vnc is restarted
3669 [20:22:41] <jamesl> oh well
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3671 [20:23:55] <cruncher> jamesl, you simplay have to wait, or restart vbnc server as already sugegsted
3672 [20:24:21] <cruncher> assuming you are entering the correct password
3673 [20:24:21] <xff1> I want to be sure nginx will be restarted. I know that some apps have ability to do upgrade without restart.
3674 [20:24:34] <th0r> jamesl, I am running x11vnc on this desktop. Just stopped it and it did not kill hexchat
3675 [20:25:15] <xff1> greycat: how you know? I don't need to know from knowledge, I need to read it somewhere in apt doc or something like that.
3676 [20:25:24] <greycat> Check the process's uptime after the upgrade and if it's not short enough, restart it yourself.
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3678 [20:27:05] <rocket__> general question about repos, im rather new to linux. is it secure to install software from the offical repos? i guess those are tested for malicious behavior
3679 [20:27:38] <xff1> why I want to know: if nginx won't restart, then it doesn't care when upgrad will be done
3680 [20:27:50] <greycat> Packages are cryptographically signed, and the key to verify the signatures is part of your initial installation.
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3697 [20:33:14] <Walex> rocket__: the answer obviously is "NO": no security audit of software is done systematically in most distributions
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3704 [20:34:12] <Walex> rocket__: most likely a large fraction of *any* software packages (commercial or free software) contains a significant number of deliberate or accidental security issues.
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3706 [20:35:16] <greycat> You seriously assert that a "large fraction" of packages have DELIBERATE security flaws?
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3708 [20:35:27] <greycat> I can't accept that without some evidence.
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3712 [20:35:56] <rocket__> Walex, who is testing those packages for malicious behavior and or leaks?
3713 [20:36:04] <greycat> !security
3714 [20:36:04] <dpkg> Put "deb replaced-url
3715 [20:36:19] <greycat> !dsa
3716 [20:36:19] <dpkg> [dsa] Debian Security Announcement, see replaced-url
3717 [20:36:25] <rocket__> Walex, ok so no one ist testing it. i see
3718 [20:36:46] <greycat> Yes, listen to the tinfoil hat guy instead of the bot. Good plan.
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3725 [20:38:44] <cruncher> :D
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3728 [20:38:45] <TomTomTosch> there is also a debian security audit project that works with the security team.
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3744 [20:44:35] <cruncher> rocket__, "Walex, ok so no one ist testing it. i see"... he just said "not systematically"
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3746 [20:45:28] <cruncher> greycat's link will be very helpful
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3749 [20:46:24] <azarus> Hey guys, i'm running a webserver with apache2, and i've set up this redirect "Redirect / replaced-url
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3751 [20:46:51] <preaction> so Redirect / replaced-url
3752 [20:47:02] <azarus> preaction, yes.
3753 [20:47:19] <greycat> note the trailing slash in preaction's version
3754 [20:47:21] <preaction> so what's the question?
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3757 [20:47:37] <azarus> Ah, i need a slash after it?
3758 [20:47:40] <azarus> I'll try that
3759 [20:47:55] <preaction> i mean, if there's a missing slash after the ".com" in the result, that'd be my guess
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3764 [20:48:42] <azarus> ... And you're right, preaction. Missing slash after ".com". Thanks preaction and greycat
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3769 [20:52:44] <blazeme8> hi, I'm reading the new Debian New Maintainers' Guide - it seems like a project's use of some sort of 'make' system is more or less required?
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3772 [20:52:58] <blazeme8> Is there a recommendation for projects that use custom scripts?
3773 [20:53:06] <greycat> "write a Makefile"
3774 [20:53:29] <blazeme8> That's what I wanted to hear. Thanks!
3775 [20:53:31] <greycat> (But an actual Debian developer should answer this... I'm just a user.)
3776 [20:53:50] <blazeme8> ah okay
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3780 [20:54:18] <blazeme8> I'm totally onboard with switching to a standard makefile. but interested in other ideas.
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3783 [20:54:33] <stew> blazeme8: debian/rules MUST be a makefile by policy 4.9
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3785 [20:54:52] <stew> blazeme8: replaced-url
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3788 [20:55:25] <blazeme8> stew: excellent, good to know. thanks!
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3792 [20:56:58] <hanshenrik> ive been using ubuntu for my linux desktop because ive been too lazy to try to configure the xfce4 on debian to be pretty (the default layout looks like something from the 1990's x.x)
3793 [20:57:02] <hanshenrik> now ive taken some time to customize my debian-xfce4, and it fits me much better than xubuntu theme ever did :D
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3810 [21:00:37] <somiaj> blazeme8: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net is a good place for questions about making packages for the debian archive. You can also use debian helper when making a package to copy scripts over (in absent of a make system that does it -- I'm unsure what packages that just provide scripts do, maybe check one out, one that pops to mind is the script for the flashplugins
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3815 [21:03:15] <blazeme8> somiaj: ahhh, it's on oftc, I must have misread, I tried the same channel on freenode earlier. thanks!
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3818 [21:04:04] <sm00th> what kind of channel sit hat?
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3820 [21:04:40] <somiaj> sm00th: check out mentors.debian.net, it is for people trying to get their packages into debian.
3821 [21:04:49] <sm00th> ahh
3822 [21:05:10] <somiaj> there is also #packaging on oftc for general packaging questions if you just want to package (not worried about making it the quality needed for debian archives)
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3926 [21:47:54] <jhutchins> hanshenrik: About the only problem I have is that on one installation the clock launches the calendear, on another it doesn't.
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3928 [21:48:18] <jhutchins> hanshenrik: I do have a problem with the GL Slideshow screensaver, but I don't think that's xfce's fault.
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3931 [21:48:44] <modifier> hey
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3934 [21:49:39] <mrrhq> Good afternoon.
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3937 [21:50:37] <jhutchins> preaction: I think the rule is if the source ends in a slash the target should too.
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3940 [21:50:52] <jhutchins> preaction: Then again, maybe always end with slash.
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3943 [21:51:11] <greycat> In this case, the source began with, ended with, and was a slash.
3944 [21:51:14] <preaction> i'm not the one who had a problem. but the canonical source would be #httpd
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3954 [21:56:20] <OnceMe> hello
3955 [21:56:35] <OnceMe> my kernel release and version differs, how can I check if im vuln to dirtycow?
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3957 [21:56:51] <OnceMe> should I check for release or version of kernel to see if I'm vuln to it?
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3959 [21:57:07] <hexnewbie> OnceMe: I assume that's a distro kernel. Check the distro's changelog
3960 [21:57:25] <ryouma> i'm wanting to find the date dirty cow was made public and the date debian stable was patched. also, which backport kernel version was the first to be patched.
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3962 [21:57:41] <OnceMe> hexnewbie: where to check for that?
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3964 [21:58:04] <hexnewbie> OnceMe: It depends on the distro. Mine has it in /usr/share/doc/linux-image.....
3965 [21:58:09] <OnceMe> hexnewbie: uname -rv
3966 [21:58:09] <OnceMe> 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 (2016-10-19)
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3968 [21:58:24] <OnceMe> thats release and version, version is fine and not vuln as I found on net
3969 [21:58:31] <OnceMe> but Im not sure for release, does release needs to be fixed too?
3970 [21:58:44] <hexnewbie> OnceMe: I think it might be patched, dirty cow came around 19th, and Debian got a patched kernel rather quickly (i.e. I first heard from Debian)
3971 [21:59:02] <OnceMe> 19th?
3972 [21:59:18] <hexnewbie> 2016-10-19
3973 [21:59:36] <OnceMe> ok but why for release I see 3.16.0-4-amd64 ?
3974 [21:59:42] <OnceMe> that release is vuln to dirtycow
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3977 [21:59:55] <hexnewbie> 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 should be the patched version
3978 [22:00:02] <OnceMe> yesh it is
3979 [22:00:08] <OnceMe> so basically I have a patch?
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3981 [22:00:16] <OnceMe> its shown in kernel version I believe, right?
3982 [22:00:22] <hexnewbie> OnceMe: No
3983 [22:00:59] <hexnewbie> OnceMe: But the changelog in /usr/share/doc/linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 should tell you the patch has been included
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3985 [22:01:30] <OnceMe> its gz
3986 [22:01:33] <OnceMe> how to read it ? :P
3987 [22:01:37] <hexnewbie> OnceMe: zless
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3991 [22:02:36] <OnceMe> I don't see it :(
3992 [22:03:10] <hexnewbie> Pastebin the log for the last version
3993 [22:03:26] <greycat> zless is standard on Debian
3994 [22:03:46] <greycat> actually "required" ... it's in gzip.
3995 [22:04:05] <OnceMe> the log is really long, can I search in it for a dirtycow?
3996 [22:04:15] <hexnewbie> OnceMe: It would be in the last version released on 19th
3997 [22:04:26] <ryouma> OnceMe: grep for cve-2016-5195
3998 [22:04:36] <greycat> zgrep
3999 [22:04:39] <ryouma> it's there for me
4000 [22:05:02] <OnceMe> zgrep "cve-2016-5195" changelog.Debian.gz
4001 [22:05:04] <OnceMe> returns nothing
4002 [22:05:09] <hanshenrik> ads
4003 [22:05:10] <ryouma> -i
4004 [22:05:11] <greycat> $ zgrep 2016-5195 /usr/share/doc/linux-image-*/changelog.Debian.gz
4005 [22:05:11] <greycat> /usr/share/doc/linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64/changelog.Debian.gz: (CVE-2016-5195)
4006 [22:05:16] <ryouma> OnceMe:
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4009 [22:06:11] <ryouma> i don't suppose we can check if we got hit by dirtycow?
4010 [22:06:14] <ryouma> assuming not
4011 [22:06:23] <greycat> It's a local exploit.
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4013 [22:06:53] <hanshenrik> jhutchins, well, i didn't like the default theme, but with some tuning: replaced-url
4014 [22:07:06] <OnceMe> well I can check it and I get
4015 [22:07:06] <OnceMe> (CVE-2016-5195)
4016 [22:07:20] <OnceMe> so its there, however I dont see nowhere in patches that anyone mentions dirty cow patch,,, :(
4017 [22:07:23] <questionaire> Why should(n´t ) I upgrade to stretch? have been running debian stable for a while now - and some of the new software supports my work environment better. With 6 months to wait before it gets frozen, i think it might be good to update now.
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4020 [22:07:35] <greycat> OnceMe: they mention the CVE. That's sufficient.
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4022 [22:07:43] <hexnewbie> OnceMe: Changelogs are not fond of sensational nicknames
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4024 [22:07:51] <OnceMe> whats CVE then?
4025 [22:07:51] <ryouma> questionaire: #debian-next can help you
4026 [22:07:54] <hexnewbie> Very conservative and unfunny those guys are
4027 [22:07:54] <greycat> !cve
4028 [22:07:55] <dpkg> hmm... cve is Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures, a database of publicly known information security vulnerabilities. replaced-url
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4031 [22:08:12] <greycat> !cve lookup CVE-2016-5195
4032 [22:08:12] <dpkg> Information about the security advisory CVE-2016-5195 may be found at replaced-url
4033 [22:08:15] <OnceMe> CVE-2016-5195
4034 [22:08:19] <OnceMe> !CVE-2016-5195
4035 [22:08:22] <questionaire> <ryouma> why do you chose to stay with stable ( assuming desktop ) ?
4036 [22:08:26] <OnceMe> ah ok
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4040 [22:09:18] <ryouma> questionaire: conservative :) also don't want to spend my time fixing issues. i feel a duty as a user to report bugs to improve the distro and that is what you are supposed to do in testing. but that takes effort.
4041 [22:09:31] <jhutchins> questionaire: I choose stable because daily usability is more important to me than new features. The computer is a tool to do other work, not an end in itself.
4042 [22:09:34] <hexnewbie> OnceMe: The short story is that Debian (and backports) seemed to be patched before or around it made the news. (Unless you used a signed backports kernel)
4043 [22:09:35] <OnceMe> so how do I know if I use patch?
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4047 [22:09:54] <OnceMe> and why kernel version and release differ?
4048 [22:10:04] <greycat> OnceMe: Ultimately? You compile the exploit and run it locally and see if it works.
4049 [22:10:06] <jhutchins> questionaire: The end of the freeze can be the most broken period. It's often when they tackle the really big release blocker problems, like the intel video problem a couple years ago.
4050 [22:10:18] <greycat> OnceMe: if you're not willing/able to do that, you just trust what the changelog.Debian.gz file says.
4051 [22:10:19] <questionaire> <jhutchins> I understand but sometimes other versions from upstreamcontain fixes that are not in the stable so one is stuck with a borked sofware version
4052 [22:10:39] <jhutchins> questionaire: If I were more interested in messing with testing and finding bugs, I'd do a dual-boot so I could always fall back if I needed the tool.
4053 [22:11:16] <jhutchins> questionaire: If there are actually break-fixes they should get updates. If there are significant new features they often get backported.
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4057 [22:12:36] <OnceMe> and why kernel version and release differ?
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4059 [22:12:52] <greycat> I don't understand what you're asking.
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4063 [22:13:58] <hexnewbie> OnceMe: Because Debian compiles the kernel that way
4064 [22:14:06] <greycat> Are you asking why "3.16.0-4" does not match "3.16.36-1+deb8u2"?
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4068 [22:14:35] <OnceMe> greycat: yes
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4074 [22:15:18] <greycat> 3.16.0-4 indicates the feature set. It's used by all of the kernel modules and everything. When the security team releases an update, they make sure the kernel interface has not changed, so it will continue working with your custom compiled nvidia driver modules and so on.
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4078 [22:16:50] <OnceMe> so im using patched version?
4079 [22:17:32] <greycat> I certainly hope so.
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4090 [22:22:36] <OnceMe> greycat: how to ensure that?
4091 [22:22:45] <OnceMe> Ive read docs and it says I have that patch
4092 [22:22:55] <greycat> uname -a
4093 [22:22:59] <OnceMe> but how to ensure I really do use the patch
4094 [22:23:15] <greycat> 16:10 greycat> OnceMe: Ultimately? You compile the exploit and run it locally and see if it works.
4095 [22:23:43] <OnceMe> Linux myserv 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 (2016-10-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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4097 [22:23:47] <dewrf4543frew> hi
4098 [22:23:51] <OnceMe> greycat: I dont want to screw my system
4099 [22:23:57] <dewrf4543frew> me too
4100 [22:24:02] <greycat> The 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 means you are running a very new Debian stable kernel.
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4102 [22:24:40] <greycat> From /usr/share/doc/linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64/changelog.Debian.gz we see that version 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 is the one which includes the fix for CVE-2016-5195
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4104 [22:24:48] <OnceMe> yeah ok
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4109 [22:26:34] <mrrhq> I wonder what the "deb8u2" is referring to.
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4112 [22:27:11] <greycat> Usually it means this is a security release, rather than a release by the package's regular maintainer(s).
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4119 [22:28:57] <mrrhq> I guess if you do apt-get changelog linux-image-$(uname -r) you can see any changes that happens.
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4121 [22:30:14] <greycat> that's the same as zless /usr/share/... right?
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4123 [22:30:20] <ryouma> is 4.5+73~bpo8+1 vulnerable to dirtycow?
4124 [22:30:33] <greycat> Don't know. That's an *old* backported kernel, so probably?
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4127 [22:31:09] <mrrhq> ryouma: What version of Debian are you using?
4128 [22:31:58] <OnceMe> mrrhq: 404 not found replaced-url
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4130 [22:33:33] <mrrhq> OnceMe: Yeah, I did it wrong. You'll have to do apt-get changelog linux-image-<arch>
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4135 [22:34:54] <mrrhq> Thing is I'm not sure how to print your architecture name. Maybe dpkg-architecture.
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4137 [22:35:03] <mrrhq> I don't remember.
4138 [22:35:29] <TomTomTosch> linux-image-amd64 presumably is only a metapackage. it's probably not the one that you want.
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4140 [22:35:30] <greycat> dpkg --print-architecture maybe, but I think it's still wrong
4141 [22:35:31] <dpkg> wish i knew, greycat
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4144 [22:37:49] <mrrhq> apt-get changelog linux-image-$(dpkg-architecture -q DEB_HOST_ARCH)
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4156 [22:42:02] <TomTomTosch> getting the changelog if the kernel package doesn't work on my system either. weird.
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4158 [22:42:13] <TomTomTosch> s/if/for/
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4163 [22:43:40] <mrrhq> That is wierd.
4164 [22:43:59] <TomTomTosch> apt-get changelog linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 that is.
4165 [22:44:16] <mrrhq> It should just be linux-image-amd64
4166 [22:44:21] <mrrhq> It's a meta-package.
4167 [22:44:30] <TomTomTosch> and i don't want the meta-package.
4168 [22:44:48] <mrrhq> I have it installed because it helps me firuge out what my latest kernel is.
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4170 [22:44:51] <mrrhq> *figure
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4172 [22:45:18] <TomTomTosch> i'm not looking for the changelog of the metapackage.
4173 [22:45:34] <greycat> Perhaps apt-get changelog doesn't know how to handle security updates.
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4175 [22:45:50] <mrrhq> dpkg -l | grep -E "^linux-image"
4176 [22:45:51] <dpkg> ii | grep -E "^linux-image" 2.7-2.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
4177 [22:45:55] <greycat> Or perhaps the security.debian.org pool doesn't include the separate changelog files.
4178 [22:46:02] <mrrhq> Lol, the bot.
4179 [22:46:11] <mrrhq> Why even name it that?
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4181 [22:47:32] <mrrhq> Yeah, Debian Security mailing list is your best bet for looking up security updates.
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4187 [22:48:58] <TomTomTosch> well, the changelog exists. replaced-url
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4189 [22:49:01] <hanshenrik> know any desktop .desktop generators? something that makes it easy to make a .desktop file on the desktop? without going to google to find replaced-url
4190 [22:49:33] <greycat> apt-get changelog is trying to fetch replaced-url
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4192 [22:49:44] <hanshenrik> greycat, apt-get update; apt-get changelog
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4194 [22:50:03] <hanshenrik> usually means you haven't updated since the versions changed
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4196 [22:50:12] <teraflops> hanshenrik: pick an existing one and edit to your liking...
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4199 [22:51:09] <greycat> hanshenrik: no change. But I did get a new tzdata and tzdata-java. And why the hell does tzdata-java even exist....
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4206 [22:53:43] <jhutchins> hanshenrik: RIght click on most desktops will give you a "new" menu where you can create something like a "shortcut" that will effectively write one for you.
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4210 [22:54:07] <TomTomTosch> greycat: that should forward to replaced-url
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4230 [23:03:43] <hanshenrik> jhutchins, yeah thanks (it was called "Create Launcher", the other 1 called Create Link literally made a symlink )
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4246 [23:09:01] <Mahksy> heyhey, this the help channel?
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4248 [23:09:33] <edi> jes
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4250 [23:11:02] <Mahksy> wonderful! i have a problem with my debain machine, connected it to a scsi HP surestore drive and it apparently tries to boot from tape
4251 [23:11:23] <Mahksy> any idea how to disable devices in gruib or something?
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4256 [23:13:43] <greycat> Choosing which device to boot from is a function of your firmware (BIOS/UEFI), before you even get to GRUB.
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4260 [23:16:15] <edi> indeed go into bios and set boot order, or push f7 or so (depending on the machine) to pick boot device on boottime
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4263 [23:17:43] <Mahksy> doesnt appear there
4264 [23:17:54] <Mahksy> and if i rescan scsi devices , it freezes
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4276 [23:20:49] <edi> can you get to bios?
4277 [23:21:03] <Mahksy> yep
4278 [23:21:14] <edi> boot order ?
4279 [23:21:32] <edi> could be hidden in some submenu
4280 [23:21:38] <edi> but if it's not in bios i don't know
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4282 [23:22:05] <edi> your debian install boots from the scsi disk? or that's external storga?
4283 [23:22:08] <edi> storage*
4284 [23:23:00] <Mahksy> internal sata disk
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4286 [23:23:09] <Mahksy> and extrenal tape
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4307 [23:29:34] <edi> so, found the boot order option?
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4338 [23:39:17] <chachasmooth> what does the -sa flag for dpkg-buildpackage do?
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4341 [23:40:34] <pingfloyd> chachasmooth: see man dpkg-buildpackage
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4343 [23:41:15] <jelly> that will mostly just say to > Passed unchanged to dpkg-genchanges. See its manual page.
4344 [23:41:17] <chachasmooth> yea thank you, already tried that
4345 [23:41:35] <chachasmooth> it doesn't say anything for "-sa"
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4347 [23:41:52] <pingfloyd> -s represents a set of options
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4352 [23:42:53] <jelly> chachasmooth: it lists a number of options and then a single sentence referencing dpkg-genchanges, as quoted above
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4356 [23:43:56] <jelly> chachasmooth: the dpkg-buildpackage(1) man page in jessie and stretch does that, which debian release do you have?
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4358 [23:44:13] <chachasmooth> ahh now I see it. oops. I'm so sorry
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4366 [23:47:48] <ryouma> mrrhq: regular jessie, but i installed a backport kernel a while back to try to fix something, and it's partly "not updated" in aptitude (which i think means i should have dist-upgraded or something if i really wanted the backport kernel). i am running stable kernel now but for a while i ran the slightly older 4.5+73~bpo8+1 so wonder if it was vulnerable to dirtycow
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4387 [23:54:33] <pingfloyd> ryouma: if packages are being kept back, then yeah, you want to run dist-upgrade
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4390 [23:55:51] <ryouma> pingfloyd: i figured, however, that doing dist-upgrade would get me non-stable versions of various packages i do not understand that are required by kernels, and i didn't want to take the risk
4391 [23:55:59] <pingfloyd> no
4392 [23:56:00] <ryouma> thanks for the confirmation
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4394 [23:56:09] <pingfloyd> it will stay with stable, unless you change your sources.list
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4396 [23:56:19] <pranith__> can someone share a link to LWN's article: 'Debian's "global" package visits the Technical Committee'
4397 [23:56:29] <pingfloyd> it's always going to draw from whatever is in there or under sources.list.d/
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4399 [23:56:53] <ryouma> pingfloyd: aptitude says "The following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 : Depends: linux-base (>= 4.3~) but 3.5 is installed."
4400 [23:57:03] <ryouma> pingfloyd: when i do dist-upgrade
4401 [23:57:22] <pingfloyd> is the met dependency in backports?
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4403 [23:57:48] <pingfloyd> try installing the linux-base in backports for that
4404 [23:58:09] <pingfloyd> by default, you have to be rather explicit to pull from backports
4405 [23:58:12] <ryouma> pingfloyd: and that's not unsafe?
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4407 [23:58:32] <pingfloyd> that's like asking how safe backports is
4408 [23:58:40] <ryouma> i fear i might have made myself vulnerable to dirtycow by being safe here :/
4409 [23:58:41] <pingfloyd> but it's a necessity in your case
4410 [23:58:48] <pingfloyd> if you want to keep that linux-image
4411 [23:58:53] <pingfloyd> that version of it
4412 [23:58:53] <ryouma> (for a short while)
4413 [23:59:13] <ryouma> maybe i will purge it, as it seems i can run the regular kernel
4414 [23:59:23] <ryouma> (running it now)
4415 [23:59:29] <pingfloyd> I can't remember, as I use apt-get, but there is likely an preference to change that behavior
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