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3 [00:01:44] <zykotick9> sudosudosudo: did you create the USB with unetbootin?
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23 [00:06:47] <sudosudosudo> I have used unetbootin and rufus
24 [00:06:57] <somiaj> !unetbootin
25 [00:06:57] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
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28 [00:07:05] <somiaj> sudosudosudo: in windows use win32diskamanger, in *mix, use cp
29 [00:07:15] <somiaj> *nix
30 [00:07:20] <zykotick9> sudosudosudo: fyi, both are known to cause problems - often, like the one you are experiencing.
31 [00:07:37] <ctb> what about dd?
32 [00:07:48] <somiaj> ctb: dd is fine, but cp is a nice suggestion too.
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34 [00:08:09] <somiaj> most won't need the additional control dd gives
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36 [00:08:13] <sudosudosudo> okay, I saw a reddit post where some guys was going crazy about lenovo locking out linux users. I wasn't sure if he was handing out truth or bs
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39 [00:09:06] <ctb> sudosudosudo: replaced-url
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48 [00:10:44] <sudosudosudo> thank you for the help
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52 [00:11:57] <GreenObsession> kidd on fire in #DataHoarder breaking it down large style #DataHoarder
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102 [00:34:53] <cruncher> funabashi, yes, its possible, but some processes make trouble
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123 [00:45:16] <anox> What is the Jessie-updates repo?
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127 [00:46:15] <can-ned_food> do you mean ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security/ jessie/updates anox?
128 [00:46:28] <jmcnaught> !jessie-updates
129 [00:46:28] <dpkg> jessie-updates is a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from jessie-updates will be included in point releases. replaced-url
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131 [00:46:44] <anox> Oh
132 [00:46:55] <anox> So is Jessie Updates to step after Jessie Backports?
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134 [00:47:13] <jmcnaught> "to step after"?
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137 [00:47:38] <anox> "the step after"
138 [00:48:13] <jmcnaught> no, jessie-updates are much more conservative than backports
139 [00:48:39] <somiaj> anox: no, they are fairly different. jessie-updates contains the bug fixes (and sometimes other things) that will be put into jessie proper. jessie-backports are additional packages for jessie
140 [00:48:55] <jmcnaught> usually focused on bug fixes or updating stuff like timezones, virus definitions etc
141 [00:49:51] <anox> Oh, so when I upgrade packages, I'm realy just getting them from jessie updates?
142 [00:50:11] <somiaj> anox: no quite. You most likely are getting them from security and some from jessie-updates.
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144 [00:50:33] <somiaj> anox: packgaes just pool there waiting for a point release. At a point release they are all put into jessie proper (along with all the security fixes).
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146 [00:50:51] <somiaj> anox: i.e. they are fixes that are not security issues, but will eventually be included in jessie.
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170 [01:05:28] <anox> How do backports work concerning the repo list?
171 [01:05:51] <anox> If I do an apt-get update upgrade, will my packages be obtained from the backports?
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178 [01:08:18] <nkuttler> anox: yes, for packages from backports
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180 [01:09:25] <can-ned_food> are you talking about setting preferences for a repo, anox?
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182 [01:10:06] <can-ned_food> i.e. favoring Jessie-backports over Sid even though Sid has the higher edition ordinal
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190 [01:15:11] <can-ned_food> i guess not.
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294 [02:07:34] <echosystm> hi guys
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296 [02:07:56] <echosystm> i'm making a package that contains some template data that gets used when you run the app
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298 [02:08:08] <echosystm> where's the correct place to put that data?
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300 [02:08:17] <echosystm> etc? /usr/share?
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305 [02:09:19] <jmcnaught> echosystm: sounds like /usr/share is what you want. replaced-url
306 [02:09:41] <echosystm> thanks
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369 [02:54:16] <psylence> Hello. Anyone have any experience with wine?
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372 [02:54:59] <missmbob> psylence: you'll have better luck in #winehq
373 [02:55:17] <psylence> Thanks. I was wondering what the channel for wine was.
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481 [03:33:35] <Gerowen> Random question. Getting ready to install Debian on a PC with 8 GB of RAM. Surely I don't need a 16 GB swap partition. What would you guys recommend, 4 GB, 8?
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486 [03:34:46] <missmbob> Gerowen: you need it if you want hibernation. if not then sure, 4G would be enough
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490 [03:37:24] <Gerowen> I'd like the option of using hibernation, so what then, 16 GB?
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494 [03:39:11] <missmbob> that'd be more than enough, yeah.
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499 [03:40:11] <Anselmo> would'nt somethiing like ten be enough, though?
500 [03:40:26] <aaro> Gerowen, at least as much as your ram for hibernation
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506 [03:41:20] <ttheo> does anyone know if debian has narrowed down package maintainers for freeradius?
507 [03:41:40] <Gerowen> Alrighty. I just wanted to be able to take advantage of all the features but not make it any bigger than necessary. :-)
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509 [03:42:39] <ttheo> everything I've seen seems to point to it just being virtually abandoned... at least the 2.x branch
510 [03:44:31] <ttheo> I'm basically trying to get the git version of 2.2.10 to compile and work on Jessie instead of 2.2.5. 2.2.8 made it into testing briefly, but there's been no real action on it
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558 [04:16:01] <sypher> When reporting a bug, should I report the bug against stable, or against the latest version in unstable?
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566 [04:19:23] <pingfloyd> sypher: is the bug in stable or unstable?
567 [04:19:26] <sypher> pingfloyd: Both.
568 [04:19:45] <pingfloyd> I would report against stable
569 [04:19:46] <sypher> pingfloyd: reportbug warns me about newer versions being available, so I wanted to confirm proper practice.
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571 [04:19:58] <sypher> pingfloyd: Cool, thank you.
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573 [04:20:08] <pingfloyd> it will also likely get more attention there
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667 [05:21:15] <uname> Hello,
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669 [05:21:48] <uname> I just start on debian and I want install tails ?
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671 [05:22:17] <missmbob> !tails
672 [05:22:17] <dpkg> Tails (The Amnesic Incognito Live System) is a live DVD/USB <based on Debian>, with the aim of preserving privacy and anonymity. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
673 [05:22:20] <missmbob> not supported here
674 [05:23:31] <uname> OK... I didn't Know... ThanX for your response
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676 [05:23:49] <uname> I'll go see there.
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678 [05:24:57] <uname> Before going, did you know if it possible to install USB disk creator on Debian
679 [05:25:32] <uname> or another software who permitt to create bootable usb ?
680 [05:25:54] <missmbob> uname: no, that's only in ubuntu. debian generally relies on dd or cp
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683 [05:27:39] <uname> Ok missmbob... I'm using debian from few days... I discover it step by step :)
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690 [05:33:02] <missmbob> uname: there's ether if you're looking for an easy gui to make tails or ubuntu usb disks (don't use it for debian). replaced-url
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694 [05:33:40] <missmbob> etcher*
695 [05:33:56] <jim> uname, are you looking to make a debian installer?
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699 [05:35:05] <uname> ThanX missmbob
700 [05:35:14] <uname> Hi jil
701 [05:35:23] <uname> jim*
702 [05:35:29] <jim> hi
703 [05:36:05] <uname> Nope, I'm aready yet on debian, from few days now... I"m dicovering eat
704 [05:36:11] <uname> it*
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706 [05:36:36] <uname> but I want to try tails on a usb key
707 [05:37:01] <jim> what were you running before?
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715 [05:40:14] <uname> @ jim : I was on Ubuntu
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718 [05:41:13] <uname> but I ear an long itw of Richard Stallman and I decided to change for another distribution
719 [05:41:53] <uname> GNU compatible... 'cos freedom is beautiful ;)
720 [05:42:44] <uname> I've downloaded tails but when I want to install it using the terminal ,
721 [05:42:56] <uname> the answer is : chmod: impossible d'accéder à « Etcher-linux-x64.AppImage »: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
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724 [05:43:43] <uname> I dont' understand ... I follow the explanation
725 [05:43:47] <uname> We use AppImages to simplify Etcher's Linux installation process, simply: Make it executable $ chmod a+x Etcher-linux-x64.AppImage
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729 [05:47:56] <brimonk> Can someone tell me how I'm supposed to remap keys within Debian? I found this: replaced-url
730 [05:48:41] <jmcnaught> !tell uname -about tails
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733 [05:49:37] <jmcnaught> uname: see the message from the bot for tails support. only Debian is supported in #debian. We won't know what AppImages are necessarily
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737 [05:53:32] <brimonk> jmcnaught: Any ideas?
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742 [05:57:32] <paradx> hi, I'm running debian on my laptop and all the functions like hibernation and sleep don't really work. most of the time if I start when the laptop was hibernated it freezes my screen or don't even turns it on. Where do I look to change stuff like that
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744 [05:58:07] <brimonk> Just for the sake of the room, what laptop are you running Debian on, and are you using Debian stable, or testing?
745 [05:58:12] <missmbob> paradx: you probably didn't make swap 2x ram
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747 [05:58:36] <missmbob> by room he means channel
748 [05:58:44] <brimonk> missmbob: Thanks
749 [05:58:52] <jmcnaught> brimonk: in Debian you'll want to put your custom rules in /etc/udev/rules.d. I don't know about the tools in the blog you posted, they are probably for another distro
750 [05:59:07] <paradx> * I'm using debian 8.6 acer aspire v5-573G
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752 [05:59:49] <missmbob> paradx: respond to what i said
753 [05:59:53] <paradx> actually i did at first but I upgraded ram, and didn't chage swap
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755 [06:00:05] <missmbob> paradx: there you go. can't do that.
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757 [06:00:41] <paradx> had to check first dude I'm not a maschine ;) Thanks, I'll see what I can do with that
758 [06:01:20] <missmbob> you are a machine :P but that's a /offtopic
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761 [06:04:35] <brimonk> jmcnaught: Is there any documentation on how to create those rules?
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765 [06:05:39] <missmbob> i wish debian had something like ubuntu's live patch service for kernel updates. hp should really step up and pay for that :P
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768 [06:06:14] <brimonk> missmbob: Last I checked, that kind of requires kernel 4.0+.
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770 [06:07:01] <missmbob> it does
771 [06:07:28] <missmbob> but there's nothing in place for stretch when it becomes stable even though it's freezing soon
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773 [06:07:46] <jmcnaught> brimonk: there's "apropos udev" and udev is part of systemd a lot of what you find for other distros using systemd will be applicable to Debian
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779 [06:12:12] <brimonk> apparently 'man udev' is a thing as well.
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868 [07:17:17] <Prutheus> Hello! I am on arch-linux. Now, I don't know why, some of the icons of fontawesome, are not displayed correctly anymore. I don't know why, before all have worked fine, but now, only some icons are broken. How could I fix this?
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870 [07:17:46] <brimonk> Prutheus: shouldn't you be asking in #arch ?
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873 [07:18:28] <Prutheus> they can't help ... only one person answered that he doesnt know why
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880 [07:22:38] <ryonaloli> how do i verify the integrity of a package from snapshot.debian.org?
881 [07:23:36] <ryonaloli> .deb files aren't signed internally, right? like dpkg -i foo.deb won't automatically verify a package?
882 [07:24:00] <missmbob> Prutheus: why do you think it's our problem?
883 [07:24:08] <pingfloyd> Prutheus: considering we're using debian, we probably have even less of an idea why
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886 [07:25:59] <missmbob> Prutheus: there is ##linux for general questions. you'll certainly have better luck there than here.
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901 [07:36:22] <Cookies> What is this
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903 [07:37:03] <ryonaloli> all i see on the site are what looks like sha1 hashes, but the site isn't even served over https
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905 [07:37:25] <ryonaloli> and i can't verify it with gpg keys or anything from apt-key
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908 [07:38:08] <nwe> how should I fix this, I have configure my dell server with hardware raid1 for my OS disks, and I installed my server via preseed (sda) now I see that the disk was not configure right it took all space for lvm-root. so I reinstall it, but now I cant do that because it cant delete old lvm-data and now my disk is named as sdi instead of sda, (after the first installation i fixed my other disk that would be in
909 [07:38:14] <nwe> non-raid..
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918 [07:42:20] <themill> ryonaloli: you either have to tell apt not to look at the signature dates or do the verification manually.
919 [07:42:32] <themill> (You can verify it with gpg keys)
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922 [07:45:05] <ryonaloli> themill: i found the signed md5 fingerprints on various mailing list archives
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925 [07:46:11] <ryonaloli> themill: is "E90F 0889 545E 78C8 2A9D E74E AF22 83AA 76E2 AC7B" correct for zumbi@debian.org?
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950 [07:56:36] <themill> ryonaloli: Release files aren't signed by individuals like that
951 [07:56:47] <ryonaloli> themill: that is what i saw on replaced-url
952 [07:56:55] <ryonaloli> i could find no signature on snapshot.debian.org
953 [07:57:03] <themill> signature for _____
954 [07:57:15] <themill> Release files are signed.
955 [07:57:19] <ryonaloli> for a .deb file
956 [07:57:24] <ryonaloli> and where would i find the release file for the .deb?
957 [07:58:07] <themill> There is no Release file for a .deb; there is a Release file that lists Packages.
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960 [07:58:13] <themill> !secure apt
961 [07:58:13] <dpkg> [apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6, <APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all archives. See replaced-url
962 [07:58:52] <ryonaloli> i don't have the release file
963 [07:58:55] <ryonaloli> i only have the .deb
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966 [07:59:15] <ryonaloli> all i have is a list of .deb files on snapshot.debian.org.
967 [07:59:36] <themill> I'm not sure how else to say this... you need the Release file.
968 [07:59:57] <ryonaloli> and where can i find that on snapshot.debian.org?
969 [08:00:03] <themill> where are you looking?
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972 [08:00:51] <ryonaloli> replaced-url
973 [08:01:05] <themill> The instructions might be worth reading: replaced-url
974 [08:01:36] <ryonaloli> themill: i thought that was simply for it to ignore the current release file
975 [08:01:47] <ryonaloli> the release file on my system no longer specifies the packages i need to download
976 [08:01:47] <themill> eh?
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978 [08:01:58] <themill> The Release file doesn't specify any packages.
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980 [08:02:25] <ryonaloli> doesn't a release file contain a checksum for another file which lists packages? and that's the file which apt-cache dump shows?
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982 [08:02:54] <themill> Release talks about Packages; Packages talks about binary packages (.deb files)
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984 [08:03:10] <ryonaloli> right. and the Packages file does not contain the hash of the binary package i need
985 [08:03:15] <themill> yes it does
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987 [08:03:24] <ryonaloli> is it just hidden from apt-cache dump and apt-cache search?
988 [08:03:26] <themill> in any case, the instructions tell you what you need to know. I'm not sure why you're telling me that they tell you how to ignore this problem
989 [08:03:43] <themill> hang on -- which "the Packages" file are you talking about?
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992 [08:05:22] <ryonaloli> sorry, i know little about debian. my impression from manual verification a year or two ago was that there was a file, verified with gpg, which contained a hash for a Packages file, which contained a list of checksums and metadata for actual .deb files. i didn't know there were multiple package files. if all i have to do is run "apt-get -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false update" as the website instructs
993 [08:05:25] <themill> There is a different Packages file for every component and every architecture you list in your sources.list
994 [08:05:28] <ryonaloli> , and then i'll be able to install older files, then that's great.
995 [08:05:40] <ryonaloli> well and after adding them in the sources file
996 [08:06:01] <themill> For a package that recent, you might not even need to worry about the validity check
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999 [08:07:44] <ryonaloli> ok
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1208 [10:11:42] <Mahe> anybody knows whether the dirty cow fix has already been incorporated into the 4.7.8-1~bpo8+1 kernel? My synaptic is unable fetch the changelog ...
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1280 [10:54:07] <biberao_> hi
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1283 [10:54:41] <biberao_> anyone knows a good tut to have a working persistent usb with both uefi and non uefi systms? thanks
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1290 [10:59:47] <lakitu> hi - mint seemed sophomoric. now getting trouble installing ubuntu, i am wondering if someone can woo me to debian - it's stabler right? not going anywhere anytime soon?
1291 [10:59:51] <lakitu> really?
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1298 [11:00:48] <babilen> lakitu: Just run Debian and spend your times on other things than massaging your system
1299 [11:01:01] <babilen> (like: actually using it for work)
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1301 [11:02:12] <lakitu> you mean with mint and similar oses?
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1303 [11:02:32] <babilen> dpkg: why debian
1304 [11:02:33] <dpkg> Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also replaced-url
1305 [11:02:37] <babilen> dpkg: stable
1306 [11:02:37] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Jessie (8.6); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). replaced-url
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1310 [11:02:47] <lakitu> i like having a useable os, but i invest a lot of time - too much, in linux
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1312 [11:02:52] <babilen> Just test it and decide if it is what you are looking for.
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1315 [11:03:49] <lakitu> i have. still in the undecided voter realm
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1317 [11:04:58] <lakitu> i have. still in the undecided voter realm it had too many problems and other little detractions. now i am shopping for OSes
1318 [11:05:06] <lakitu> oops
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1320 [11:05:16] <lakitu> hit the up key on my bluetooth keyboard:
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1324 [11:05:44] <lakitu> ubuntu had problems back a number of years ago, and some people were saying mint was where it's at. i tried mint for like 2 years; it had too many problems and other little detractions. now i am shopping for OSes
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1326 [11:06:22] <lakitu> let me sift your links
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1347 [11:17:49] <Mahe> lakitu: started out at Arch (when I still had plenty of time playing around), moved to Ubuntu and eventually to its LTS releases. Finally settled with Debian during the last few years, not looking back. Currently I have limited time to tinker around and also need this system for work, so Debian is a blessing.
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1350 [11:18:32] <lakitu> good notes.
1351 [11:18:54] <Mahe> It might require a bit more to set it up correctly (in contrast to say e.g. Ubuntu) but once you have it, it will serve you well for years to come.
1352 [11:20:54] <Mahe> Mind you, reliability and stability also heavily depend on the desktop environment you use - at least from my experience.
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1361 [11:26:04] <lakitu> i like kde, but i haven't tried the newer cinnamon and mate de's yet. is kde pretty workable in debian?
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1454 [12:21:38] <FROGGS> hi, here are all architectures listed[^1], why dont I get CDs for all of them? why is e.g. ppc64 and mips64el missing? [1] replaced-url
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1456 [12:22:39] <FROGGS> I'm looking here for CDs btw: replaced-url
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1461 [12:25:35] <withnale_> hello
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1464 [12:26:17] <withnale_> Can anyone tell me where debconf-get-selections has gone in jessie?
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1467 [12:27:09] <nkuttler> !tell withnale_ about apt-file
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1471 [12:29:19] <trebor_home> hi. i would like to install debian(8) on a macbook. i tried a liveCD and it worked fine. do i need extra tools for uefi-things or can i just install it (using the whole hd)?
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1510 [12:43:45] <Mahe> trebor_home: how did you boot the liveCD ?
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1515 [12:45:31] <TandyUK> hey guys, having some issues with the time in a debian vm
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1521 [12:46:25] <TandyUK> but date tells me we're "12:59 BST"
1522 [12:46:52] <TandyUK> so a) the clock is wrong by 15 mins, and b) the timezone is wrong
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1525 [12:47:20] <TandyUK> ive done dpkg-reconfigure tzdata, and timezone etc are all correct
1526 [12:47:40] <ransur0t> TandyUK: could your desktop applet be bugged?
1527 [12:47:46] <TandyUK> what desktop?
1528 [12:47:55] <TandyUK> this is a vm, runnig no desktop
1529 [12:48:02] <TandyUK> its 'date' that is giving me the wrong output
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1531 [12:48:25] <ransur0t> or overriding system? your vm, no desktop environment? shell/tty only?
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1533 [12:49:00] <TandyUK> correct
1534 [12:49:50] <ransur0t> which hypervisor?
1535 [12:49:55] <TandyUK> esxi
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1537 [12:50:21] <TandyUK> ntpd -qg fixes the local output, but now hwclock --debug tells me the hw clock is 12:06
1538 [12:50:23] <ransur0t> check machine setting in esxi
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1541 [12:50:52] <TandyUK> the esxi host tells me hardware clock is correct
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1545 [12:51:24] <ransur0t> what is it's output and config?
1546 [12:52:10] <TandyUK> output and config of what?
1547 [12:52:28] <trebor_home> Mahe: i booted via refit
1548 [12:52:39] <^Simon^> Not really a debian user but I have a server running squeeze - is it possible to update that still? When running 'aptitude update' I get a lot of lines beginning 'Ign'
1549 [12:53:29] <TomTomTosch> !squeeze sources.list
1550 [12:53:29] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
1551 [12:53:41] <Mahe> trebor_home: you can install debian regularly, which will most likely install a regular legacy boot grub setup. Once you have installed and booted this system, you can 'upgrade' to EFI boot if you want.
1552 [12:54:02] <TomTomTosch> ^Simon^: you probably have to update your sources.list. also squeeze reached eol, so no updates.
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1555 [12:54:21] <^Simon^> is there an upgrade path to a newer release?
1556 [12:54:27] <^Simon^> without a reinstall
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1558 [12:54:55] <TomTomTosch> yes. you can upgrade to wheezy, then to jessie if you wish. the release notes have instructions.
1559 [12:55:34] <Mahe> trebor_home: on my macbook I do it like this after booting the installed system: replaced-url
1560 [12:55:46] <^Simon^> Cool. I presume it's a good idea to apply any other updates for squeeze before upgrading to wheezy.
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1562 [12:56:03] <TomTomTosch> that's correct.
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1566 [12:59:30] <trebor_home> ransur0t: thanks for the link. i read this, but it somehow opens more questions for me than it answers.
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1571 [13:00:13] <Rephlexie> !market
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1573 [13:00:56] <JyZyXEL> if i comment out the eth0 from 70-persistent-net.rules and replace the NIC with a new one, will it become the new eth0?
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1577 [13:01:10] <trebor_home> Mahe: are there special uefi-install ISOs? I ask because there are videos which show installations with uefi-options available.
1578 [13:01:13] <TandyUK> JyZyXEL: yes
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1581 [13:01:35] <TandyUK> assuming you only have 1 nic that is
1582 [13:01:45] <JyZyXEL> the machine has 3 nic's at the moment
1583 [13:01:58] <JyZyXEL> but the other two have eth1 and eth2 lines still in the 70-persistent-net.rules
1584 [13:01:59] <TandyUK> if you have multiple nics, make sure the udev lines mentioning their macs remain
1585 [13:02:12] <trebor_home> Mahe: did you leave the macOS or did you use the whole hd for linux?
1586 [13:02:15] <Mahe> trebor_home: Possibly, I'm not aware of any though. I just use the regular amd64 images and do the EFI stuff post-install.
1587 [13:02:26] <Mahe> trebor_home: I still have a macOS partition, yes.
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1589 [13:03:13] <JyZyXEL> TandyUK: does the order of the lines matter?
1590 [13:03:46] <TandyUK> dont think so
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1592 [13:03:58] <JyZyXEL> i should probably arrange them from eth0 -> eth2, just in case
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1594 [13:04:07] <TandyUK> if you know the mac of your new nic, just edit the eth0 line and put in the new mac
1595 [13:04:16] <JyZyXEL> sadly i do not ;(
1596 [13:04:29] <TandyUK> it should be printed o na sitcker on the nic ;)
1597 [13:04:43] <JyZyXEL> oh! i think it is!
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1599 [13:05:26] <TandyUK> 99.99% of the time it will be :)
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1601 [13:05:42] <JyZyXEL> yup!
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1631 [13:18:50] <crCr62U0> Hello.
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1633 [13:19:19] <crCr62U0> What kind of database do dpkg use to store packages metadata?
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1640 [13:22:49] <Shadur> Judging by its dependencies and ldd output, I'm guessing flat files.
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1644 [13:24:29] <hualet> crCr62U0: it's just a file, I think
1645 [13:24:51] <hualet> /var/lib/dpkg/status
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1649 [13:26:52] <crCr62U0> I have to add trigger restart sshd after installation of few packages.
1650 [13:27:11] <crCr62U0> Its possible to do with database triggers.
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1652 [13:28:00] <crCr62U0> Do you know any approach to add dpkg trigger or hook?
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1658 [13:30:08] <^Simon^> is there a way to find out where grub is installed on a live system?
1659 [13:30:18] <bezaban> crCr62U0: you can add a hook to run every time in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d if using apt. How to get it to run conditionally I am not sure
1660 [13:30:19] <abrotman> crCr62U0: is that a custom package?
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1673 [13:35:42] <crCr62U0> No, it's not.
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1704 [13:50:13] <gutengok> i'm lending my computer to my gf (she's an engineer) and I don't want her to look into my past life. I've searched for *.pub and *.pem and deleted a few keys (I found even keys I forgot I had) ... any other extension I should search for?
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1709 [13:53:37] <crCr62U0> you should rewrite your HDD unused blocks with zero for better security.
1710 [13:54:02] <abrotman> lend, not destroy ..
1711 [13:54:06] <crCr62U0> ty for help bezaban.
1712 [13:54:33] <TandyUK> low level format the disk and do a clean install ;)
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1715 [13:55:37] <TandyUK> extensions wise, *.avi, *.mp4, *.mpg so you wipe out all your porn ;)
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1743 [14:09:39] <trebor_h`> Hello. I got stuck installing debian8 on an old macbook (macOS, refit, debian6). as the internal dvd drive is broken i booted a standard debian8 installation ISO from refit. i installed the new debian over the old one (same partition, formatted as ext4). after the installation, refit can not boot the new system -> grub rescue shell. what can i do to make the new debian bootable (from refit)?
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1762 [14:15:42] <hlavaty> hi, i have a static website files as a debian package "mywebsite" and now i would like to create debian package "myreplaced-url
1763 [14:15:42] <hlavaty> to clash with default nginx?
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1767 [14:16:39] <Mahe> trebor_h`: you could try to chroot into the installed system from within a booted liveCD and do the EFI setup steps I linked before
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1774 [14:17:39] <trebor_h`> Mahe: ok, i overlooked the hint with the live-system. trying. thanks
1775 [14:17:43] <Mahe> trebor_h`: do you know how to chroot?
1776 [14:18:03] <trebor_h`> no
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1778 [14:18:14] <Mahe> trebor_h`: look here: replaced-url
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1782 [14:18:41] <Mahe> trebor_h`: replace sda1 with the partition of your installed debian system (no the efi partition!)
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1785 [14:19:12] <Mahe> trebor_h`: follow the steps in the first code paragraph on this blog post up to and including the 'chroot' command
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1787 [14:19:37] <Mahe> trebor_h`: then execute the EFI setup steps I linked before
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1792 [14:20:30] <Mahe> trebor_h`: after the chroot command (if done correctly) you are essentially operating on the installed system instead of the booted liveCD system
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1801 [14:22:29] <FROGGS> does anyone knows why I dont get CD images for all arches that are listed in buildd?
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1825 [14:29:14] <cruncher> crCr62U0, the package needsrestart can automatically restart services when needed, and you can set filters. maybe thats what you want?
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1845 [14:37:55] <crCr62U0> cruncher, I can't change packages that force me to add trigger aside.
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1855 [14:41:08] <trebor_h`> Mahe: the last step in your link regarding chroot (sync & reboot) results in: "running in chroot, ignoring request". so using the menu-for reboot is ok, i presume, right?
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1857 [14:42:04] <Mahe> trebor_h`: you are not supposed to actually execute the commands after the 'chroot' one in the blog post link!
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1859 [14:42:25] <trebor_h`> ups, ok, again. ...
1860 [14:42:33] <Mahe> trebor_h`: instead, use the EFI grub commands from my gist link
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1870 [14:44:57] <trebor_h`> Mahe: will, do so. after all - the macbook booted into the new system ;)
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1872 [14:45:25] <Mahe> trebor_h`: with the commands from the blog post it did?
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1880 [14:46:26] <trebor_h`> with the commands from the chroot-link. yes. but after all i surely will do your first link, too
1881 [14:46:31] <Mahe> trebor_h`: then it seems you simply chose the wrong block device as grub boot record target during your initial install. You can do the EFI steps on the booted system then if you still want EFI boot.
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1898 [14:52:07] <crCr62U0> cruncher, where i can read about creating new dpkg triggers ?
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1919 [14:58:19] <cruncher> crCr62U0, i didnt understand what you said before, but i guess you read about needrestart and its not what you wanted.
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1921 [14:58:43] <cruncher> crCr62U0, replaced-url
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1947 [15:07:21] <davlab> ...
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1949 [15:08:16] <crCr62U0> that link is useless except link to huge file replaced-url
1950 [15:08:22] <crCr62U0> thats very difficult to read.
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1953 [15:08:58] <crCr62U0> If there is nothing else useful guide to dpkg triggers then im on my way to success.
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1966 [15:16:04] <crCr62U0> unfortunately there is no even info about the place for trigger file inside *.deb package.
1967 [15:16:08] <crCr62U0> ty for useless help.
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1972 [15:18:08] <OpenTokix> cruncher: It say in the document you linked to
1973 [15:18:17] <OpenTokix> cruncher: sorry, miss-tab
1974 [15:18:23] <elqaz> I need to download replaced-url
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1976 [15:19:06] <OpenTokix> elqaz: apt-get install broadcom-sta-dkms
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1978 [15:19:11] <elqaz> ...
1979 [15:19:17] <OpenTokix> And it will install the packages for you that it depends
1980 [15:19:24] <elqaz> yeah, a bit hard to do without no connection
1981 [15:19:43] <elqaz> -no+a
1982 [15:19:54] <babilen> dpkg: tell elqaz -about apt-zip
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1985 [15:20:01] <babilen> dpkg: tell elqaz -about apt offline
1986 [15:20:20] <elqaz> cheers babilen
1987 [15:20:35] <babilen> Might come in handy, but then you could just install those dependencies by hand
1988 [15:20:48] <babilen> Not sure how many there really are .. or find some ethernet
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1991 [15:21:11] <babilen> But DKMS is certainly a bit of a pain in the arse as it requires everything and the kitchen sink
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1993 [15:22:45] <elqaz> hmm, there's no jessie version of apt-zip
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1998 [15:24:16] <babilen> apt offline? apt walkabout?
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2009 [15:27:12] <Mahe> elqaz: for the broadcom chips you could always try the non-free firmware package first: replaced-url
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2011 [15:27:29] <elqaz> I'm following replaced-url
2012 [15:27:38] <elqaz> babilen: will check apt offline, cheers
2013 [15:27:46] <Mahe> elqaz: it contains some broadcom drivers - although inferior to broadcom-sta - they might work for at least connecting and downloading the real broadcom-sta
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2015 [15:28:04] <babilen> elqaz: Sorry, haven't used those tools in years and it was the first that popped into my head
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2023 [15:29:44] <cruncher> useless help? if he is too lazy to read a document... i know who's useless...
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2045 [15:38:32] <Vladimirski> I want to setup a hardware raid from debian, do I have to reboot the machine and do it from BIOS or is it possible from the command line?
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2052 [15:40:26] <alwyn> Hi, I just rebooted my system and now some init scripts don't seem to be working?
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2054 [15:40:42] <alwyn> For example supervisor wasn't starting, it worked again after I did an apt-get --reinstall install supervisor
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2057 [15:41:51] <teraflops> alwyn: after an upgrade?
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2059 [15:42:05] <alwyn> Yes, a regular upgrade (not dist-upgrade
2060 [15:42:07] <alwyn> )
2061 [15:42:18] <alwyn> Or "regular", for dirty cow
2062 [15:42:48] <alwyn> At least, I'm hoping...
2063 [15:43:09] <alwyn> Yes :)
2064 [15:43:16] <teraflops> well I had to remove /etc/init. d/nginx this morning in one machine ....
2065 [15:43:24] <alwyn> wut :(
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2067 [15:43:30] <teraflops> that
2068 [15:43:43] <alwyn> How so?
2069 [15:43:53] <teraflops> after upgrading nginx
2070 [15:44:36] <teraflops> it just start to spit error rc.d header blah blah
2071 [15:45:14] <alwyn> I did not have that issue...
2072 [15:45:25] <alwyn> Strange thing is I can't seem to find any errors either
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2074 [15:45:44] <alwyn> But of course I might be looking in the wrong places :)
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2076 [15:46:10] <alwyn> FYI, I'm on Jessie and using sysvinit instead of systemd
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2094 [15:53:29] <stoned> Good morning
2095 [15:54:20] <stoned> I am using Xfinity Open Free Wifi, and using my laptop to forward that to my desktop
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2098 [15:54:51] <stoned> Problem is that on desktop, all ssh sessions seem to hang the terminal after a period of idle time (not a server/client idle time issue) but b/c of this intermittent network issue
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2100 [15:55:13] <stoned> Is there a way to stabalize or keepalive the connection even if my wifi connection breaks and comes back on?
2101 [15:55:20] <stoned> Any ideas?
2102 [15:55:31] <stoned> jessie desktop
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2106 [15:57:13] <rattking> stoned: you could try setting ServerAliveInterval in ~/.ssh/config or try mosh instead of ssh
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2109 [15:59:12] <stoned> mosh? I'll googly moogly
2110 [15:59:50] <stoned> Interesting
2111 [15:59:53] <stoned> ,v mosh
2112 [15:59:55] <judd> Package: mosh on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.3-1; wheezy-backports: 1.2.4a-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.2.4a-1+b2; jessie-backports: 1.2.5-1~bpo8+1; wheezy-backports-sloppy: 1.2.5-1~bpo70+1; stretch: 1.2.6-1+b1; sid: 1.2.6-1+b1
2113 [15:59:57] <stoned> Oh word.
2114 [16:00:01] <stoned> Home slice diggity
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2116 [16:00:04] <stoned> <3 afk
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2180 [16:21:11] <Vladimirski> Can one use MegaCLI for managing HD RAID independent of the hardware I have as long as it has a RAID controller?
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2182 [16:22:08] <jelly> Vladimirski: as long as it's a compatible, lsi raid controller
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2184 [16:22:49] <jelly> that's pretty much opposite of what "hardware independent" usually means
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2189 [16:24:06] <Vladimirski> Can I check from command line if it's LSI compatible?
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2203 [16:26:07] <FROGGS> $ lspci
2204 [16:26:08] <FROGGS> 05:00.0 RAID bus controller: 3ware Inc 9xxx-series SATA-RAID
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2207 [16:26:29] <FROGGS> Vladimirski: it would state there that it is a LSI or 3ware controller
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2210 [16:26:50] <FROGGS> (3ware bought LSI)
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2212 [16:27:57] <jelly> Vladimirski: show the line from "lspci -nn" output for your controller
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2224 [16:30:47] <Vladimirski> It seems like LSI: LSI Logic
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2226 [16:31:14] <FROGGS> $ lspci -nn | grep RAID
2227 [16:31:14] <FROGGS> 05:00.0 RAID bus controller [0104]: 3ware Inc 9xxx-series SATA-RAID [13c1:1002]
2228 [16:31:21] <FROGGS> Vladimirski: please post what you get
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2241 [16:34:00] <JordiGH> In a "throw-away" install (i.e. a Docker container), is there really a problem with using apt only once to get Python packages and then using pip as root to get the rest?
2242 [16:34:21] <Vladimirski> RAID bus controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic MegaRAID SAS
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2244 [16:35:02] <JordiGH> For example, will pip "correctly" (square quotes since we my disagree on what this means) overwrite system-level versions of Python packages?
2245 [16:35:03] <jelly> that's not the full output of lspci -nn, but the "Mega" in MegaRAID SAS certainly suggests the MegaCLI tool might be able to manage it
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2247 [16:35:18] <jelly> JordiGH: sounds like a tias
2248 [16:35:38] <JordiGH> Haha, square quotes. I meant scare.
2249 [16:36:21] <JordiGH> jelly: I thought Debian Python policy had some rules about how pip should behave wrt apt packages.
2250 [16:36:33] <JordiGH> I think I'll go looking there first, since I'm not sure what to look for if I tias.
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2256 [16:39:42] <jelly> probably "which version of module foo do I get after doing a pip install on something that OS already provided"
2257 [16:40:02] <greycat> or "did any of the files listed in dpkg -L my-py-pkg change after the pip install"
2258 [16:40:06] <Vladimirski> jelly: I see
2259 [16:40:06] <Vladimirski> thanks
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2261 [16:40:43] <greycat> (Two different tests for two different things.)
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2271 [16:43:09] <ewew> Hi. Why is the Pentium 3 not booting debian testing ?
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2274 [16:43:43] <greycat> !debian-next
2275 [16:43:43] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2276 [16:44:01] <ewew> ok
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2278 [16:44:06] <greycat> or possibly #debian-boot if it's a problem specifically with the stretch installer
2279 [16:44:10] <ambient> Hi, I cannot get any audio from my computer. Not even alsamixer, not the music player, no audio from vlc
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2281 [16:44:36] <ambient> Puklseaudio crashes
2282 [16:44:41] <ambient> pulseaudi
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2284 [16:44:48] <ambient> o
2285 [16:45:17] <ambient> Audio output failed:
2286 [16:45:17] <ambient> The audio device "default" could not be used:
2287 [16:45:17] <ambient> No such file or directory.
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2297 [16:48:28] <ambient> Failed to create secure directory (/run/user/1000/pulse): Permission denied
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2299 [16:48:54] <ambient> Perhaps a reinstall is required?
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2303 [16:49:10] <greycat> Change the owner of the directory from root back to yourself.
2304 [16:49:25] <teraflops> ambient: did you run sudo startx or something like that?
2305 [16:49:25] <JordiGH> Are you in the audio group?
2306 [16:49:25] <greycat> I don't know why this happens, but it's been reported here once or twice before.
2307 [16:49:33] <ambient> greycat, This is both user and root
2308 [16:49:46] <dilm> hi howto disable this feature ? (in debian) replaced-url
2309 [16:49:49] <ambient> teraflops, no, I did not
2310 [16:49:50] <greycat> DO NOT TRY TO START PULSE AS ROOT. That is most likely what CAUSED the problem.
2311 [16:49:52] <teraflops> JordiGH: there's no need of being in audio group for running pulseadio iirc
2312 [16:50:06] <greycat> So, undo the damage you did by trying to start pulse as root, then start it normally as you.
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2315 [16:50:14] <teraflops> ambient: then I dont get why you get such error
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2318 [16:50:29] <ambient> JordiGH, Yeah, I am in the audio group greycat Nah, this was before I ran audio as root
2319 [16:50:30] <greycat> ls -ld /run/user/1000/pulse
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2322 [16:50:58] <ambient> drwx------ 2 root root 80 Oct 26 09:55 /run/user/1000/pulse
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2324 [16:51:12] <teraflops> ಠ_à²
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2329 [16:51:27] <greycat> ambient: As I said, chown it back to yourself.
2330 [16:52:15] <ambient> greycat, What command, specifically?
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2332 [16:52:22] <greycat> sudo chown 1000 /run/user/1000/pulse
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2338 [16:54:15] <ambient> greycat, Ahh, there we go. I have no idea what the heck happened.
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2341 [16:54:38] <ambient> greycat, Thanks a bunch.
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2354 [16:56:50] <JordiGH> Would deleting the directory have worked as well? Would pulse recreate it?
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2356 [16:57:05] <greycat> Don't know.
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2421 [17:14:55] <DrBunsen> Hello, I just installed the newest version of Electrum(bitcoin wallet, it was too outdated on stable to work) and now the app has no icon. I installed it by getting it from the testing repos(pinning my packages). I saw that this bugreport is open replaced-url
2422 [17:15:16] <DrBunsen> I found the electrum.png, but I have no clue as to where to place it. Can anybody help me with that?
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2424 [17:15:40] <teraflops> what a nice url
2425 [17:15:47] <DrBunsen> I did put it in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/, no dice.
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2427 [17:16:06] <DrBunsen> Sorry, I copied it from a hangouts chat, will repost it: replaced-url
2428 [17:16:07] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2431 [17:16:39] <DrBunsen> It is not my bug report, so I did reproduce it ;)
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2436 [17:18:01] <barteks2x> I have a weird issue, fdisk shows that my pendrive has 4 partitions with impossible sizes and unknown types, but it mounts just fine as ~8GB fat32 disk
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2440 [17:18:40] <barteks2x> is it something wrong with fdisk or with the disk?
2441 [17:18:45] <jhutchins> barteks2x: That often happens with fdisk and fat32.
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2443 [17:19:12] <barteks2x> so it's normal?
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2445 [17:19:24] <jhutchins> barteks2x: If it mounts and is usable don't sweat it.
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2447 [17:20:07] <jhutchins> barteks2x: It is also how a failed disk often looks, but that's not conclusive. I think it's an artifact of creating the filesystem in (or for) Windows.
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2449 [17:20:21] <cruncher> barteks2x, did you create it in windows 10?
2450 [17:20:25] <barteks2x> possibly
2451 [17:20:30] <barteks2x> I don't remember
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2453 [17:20:41] <cruncher> i can reproduce that with windows 10 :P
2454 [17:20:54] <barteks2x> I wanted to write bootable image to it, and just wanted to know if it's going to cause issues
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2457 [17:21:09] <cruncher> as i use mine just for a iso i dont mind, but i wouldnt trust that drive
2458 [17:21:13] <jhutchins> barteks2x: Shouldn't, the boot image will overwrite the partitioning.
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2463 [17:21:37] <barteks2x> if this pendrive was actually dying the overwrite could fail
2464 [17:21:44] <barteks2x> and this is the only one I have here
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2466 [17:21:46] <jhutchins> barteks2x: parted might see the filesystem differently.
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2469 [17:22:23] <barteks2x> writing the iso with dd should work to make it bootable?
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2486 [17:26:02] <jhutchins> barteks2x: Correct.
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2556 [17:48:41] <theGoat> i have updated one of my ubuntu boxes to 16.04. now i can't mount dmg files from my mac. all i see in the kernel logs is lockd: cannot monitor <client> not sure if i need to make changes on one of the sides. client side is OS X 10.11
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2559 [17:49:13] <TehRabbitt> hey, so i'm looking to mount a windows hosted directory via NFS to a debian server, I set it up for anonymous access, and I can access it via root, but not as any other users.
2560 [17:49:21] <greycat> theGoat: #ubuntu
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2562 [17:49:28] <TehRabbitt> not sure what i'm doing wrong
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2564 [17:49:42] <theGoat> yeah been there......haven't found anyone who could help...people suggested i come here
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2580 [17:55:06] <cruncher> theGoat, people in ubuntu channel suggested you go to debian channel even though you use ubuntu?
2581 [17:55:08] <JordiGH> theGoat: #debian and #ubuntu do things differently, and those who know Debian really well are often surprised when Ubuntu does something differently.
2582 [17:55:42] <JordiGH> theGoat: We would probably tell you to try first if Debian stable can mount your dmg image.
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2831 [19:05:26] <allan_wind1> Is it possible to dist"upgrade" a box from ubuntu 16.04 to jessie?
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2842 [19:08:27] <croddy> maybe, but you'll almost certainly end up with a frankendebian unsupportable either as ubuntu or as debian
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2847 [19:09:33] <allan_wind1> croddy: yeah, I figured there was a slim chance
2848 [19:09:46] <croddy> i would suggest doing almost anything other than that
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2855 [19:10:43] <allan_wind1> croddy: compelled to use ubuntu as it supported my hardware unlike the current stable or nightly testing installers
2856 [19:11:07] <allan_wind1> croddy: when is the next stable dropping?
2857 [19:11:12] <croddy> when it's ready?
2858 [19:11:22] <croddy> i don't know if when it's ready is still the release policy, actually.
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2861 [19:11:36] <allan_wind1> croddy: yeah, of course, but is that imminent or a year out?
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2863 [19:11:52] <transhuman> anyone know the answer to my question or know where to ask? Repeat hi is there any proxy packages that block down to the individual url level (page level)
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2865 [19:12:32] <allan_wind1> transhuman: varnish and squid both do
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2867 [19:12:41] <croddy> allan_wind1 it looks like the stretch freezes start in a couple of weeks: replaced-url
2868 [19:13:07] <allan_wind1> croddy: perfect, thx
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2870 [19:14:07] <CuteMeOwnThroat> croddy, it is… but in an attempt to sync with other distros (ubuntu), there is a date for the freeze
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2872 [19:14:12] <CuteMeOwnThroat> dpkg, stretch
2873 [19:14:12] <dpkg> The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: replaced-url
2874 [19:14:15] <transhuman> thaks allan_wind1, its funny you said squid does because I searched for configs that block at the page level but didnt find any examples on a quick search...guess I will have to look harder
2875 [19:14:24] <croddy> i don't think debian is upstream of ubuntu anymore. but i am not certain.
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2879 [19:14:53] <n4dir> transhuman: replaced-url
2880 [19:15:23] <transhuman> thaks n4dir
2881 [19:15:37] <transhuman> s/thaks/thanks
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2883 [19:16:17] <n4dir> never did such. my guess, after you asked, was that any proxy would be able to block URLs (like said, i got no clue). I searched to figure it out and ran into the given link
2884 [19:16:26] <n4dir> iow: don't take my word for it.
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2891 [19:19:40] <CuteMeOwnThroat> croddy, what else should be upstream of 'buntu
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2893 [19:20:00] <croddy> individual projects, i believe.
2894 [19:20:39] <Chinesium> Okay, I'm posing this question to multiple channels. Why should I pick this distro over another? I'm a Windows user mostly, but I also run ChromiumOS for battery life.
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2896 [19:20:55] <CuteMeOwnThroat> wikipedia wouldn't lie to you replaced-url
2897 [19:21:13] <croddy> that is definitely not the same as "debian is upstream of ubuntu".
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2899 [19:21:37] <n4dir> Chinesium: search the web for "who the bloody hell cares for debian"
2900 [19:21:42] <croddy> early on, ubuntu would regularly pull in packages in a rolling fashion from debian testing. but i am pretty sure they have stopped doing that and now operate independently.
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2903 [19:22:16] <CuteMeOwnThroat> last I looked, they took packages from sid…
2904 [19:22:33] <CuteMeOwnThroat> but I guess what ubuntu does is more a topic for #ubuntu
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2906 [19:22:56] <allan_wind1> yeah, sorry, didn't mean to open a can of worms
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2908 [19:23:03] <hexadesu> so much ubuntu talk on debian, more so than debian today
2909 [19:23:18] <allan_wind1> just want to get back to home (debian) when hardware support permits
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2911 [19:24:02] <CuteMeOwnThroat> hardware support nearly all depends on the kernel… take a newer kernel from backports if the hardware is too new
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2914 [19:24:12] <n4dir> ^^ that.
2915 [19:24:14] <CuteMeOwnThroat> judd, kernels
2916 [19:24:15] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.8-1); stretch: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.8-1); jessie-backports: 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.7.8-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.82-1)
2917 [19:24:24] <greycat> possibly also firmware and xserver driver packages
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2943 [19:31:43] <hexadecimal> hello o/
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2949 [19:33:15] <ctb> *\o
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2966 [19:35:48] <||JD||> have a question, considering replaced-url
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2971 [19:36:42] <greycat> Create a user, and put that user in the replaced-url
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2973 [19:37:06] <greycat> Or if you prefer, make it writable by a totally different group, and put the user in that other group, in order to prevent an exploited web server from being able to write there.
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2975 [19:37:39] <croddy> i would also suggest that it's bad to allow the web server user (replaced-url
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2977 [19:37:56] <allan_wind1> setfacl if you want fine grained control
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2980 [19:38:13] <CuteMeOwnThroat> only that ftp sends plain-text passwords, so I doubt I'd want to call any way using ftp "secure"
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2983 [19:38:57] <allan_wind1> yeah, you should use sftp, or ssh instead if possible. anon ftp is really the only good use case for ftp these days
2984 [19:39:07] <allan_wind1> scp, I mean
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2989 [19:41:27] <n4dir> i have found no better way than rsync the stuff to remote user, ssh , su to root and then cp it in place
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2992 [19:42:23] <hexadesu> \o/
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2995 [19:43:38] <meatrocket> Hi
2996 [19:43:45] <meatrocket> I'm a child molester
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2998 [19:43:58] <meatrocket> any lil kids here?
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3000 [19:44:03] <||JD||> greycat: thanks, about the first option you suggested, do the files keep the original owner if I upload them logged in as a different user?
3001 [19:44:05] <meatrocket> lol
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3007 [19:45:20] <greycat> JD, files retain ownership of the user who logged into whatever service is used to do the writing (ftp, ssh, sftp)
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3010 [19:46:15] <||JD||> it wouldn't work then
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3012 [19:47:25] <greycat> The *usual* means of doing a collaborative group directory is to make the directory group-writable, AND make the directory setgid (which makes the files' GROUP ownership that of the directory), AND to make the writing service create the files group-writably (umask 002).
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3015 [19:48:01] <greycat> Getting your sshd or ftpd or whatever to agree on a umask 002 is surprisingly hard.
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3072 [20:05:06] <winterflaw> I'm trying to compile glibc; it's configure it looking at /usr/include/linux/version.h and (correctly, in so far as it goes) reporting my request to support only 4.7.0 is wrong because the kernel headers are too old
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3074 [20:05:20] <winterflaw> version.h indicates LINUX_VERSION_CODE 200740
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3076 [20:06:01] <winterflaw> my uname says I'm on 4.7.0, which is 263936
3077 [20:06:11] <winterflaw> what I find googling is that I need to install the correct linux-headers
3078 [20:06:12] <winterflaw> I have
3079 [20:06:26] <winterflaw> no change, and there are no other version.h files on the system (which have the same type of content)
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3082 [20:06:43] <winterflaw> so in short, how do I update the kernel headers?
3083 [20:06:57] <winterflaw> installing the package isn't doing it, as far as glibc configure is concerned
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3100 [20:14:33] <hop> is there a mechanism to have systemd unit files symlinked from another partition?
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3108 [20:16:28] <CuteMeOwnThroat> winterflaw, well, dpkg -S /usr/include/linux/version.h
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3111 [20:16:52] <winterflaw> let me try it - one tick
3112 [20:16:56] <CuteMeOwnThroat> and also… well, version.h is 2 lines long
3113 [20:17:08] <CuteMeOwnThroat> it says linux-libc-dev:amd64: /usr/include/linux/version.h
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3115 [20:17:30] <winterflaw> ah
3116 [20:17:32] <winterflaw> thankyou
3117 [20:17:37] <winterflaw> that's not the linux-headers package
3118 [20:17:42] <winterflaw> *facepalm*
3119 [20:17:43] <CuteMeOwnThroat> no
3120 [20:18:04] <winterflaw> I'll even buy one of your sausages as a thankyou
3121 [20:18:25] <winterflaw> ton of google replies say update linux-headers
3122 [20:18:27] <CuteMeOwnThroat> and may well be you're providing the file… no idea, I wasn't ever tempted to compile glibc
3123 [20:18:30] <winterflaw> (ahhhhhh)
3124 [20:18:37] <winterflaw> wise man
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3130 [20:20:05] <CuteMeOwnThroat> I mean the file just has defines for LINUX_VERSION_CODE and one calculated for KERNEL_VERSION
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3133 [20:20:46] <winterflaw> KERNEL_VERSION is a macro so you can figure out the LINUX_VERSION number for a given dot notation kernel build, e.g. 4.7.0
3134 [20:21:07] <winterflaw> so, my package manager says there IS only one linux-libc-dev, and it's for kernel 3.16.36
3135 [20:21:09] <winterflaw> hmm
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3140 [20:21:56] <syncrr> are there any ebook readers that can run debian?
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3142 [20:22:34] <rozie_> syncrr: I've seen some kindle running Debian
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3145 [20:22:58] <rozie_> but IIRC it used non-debian kernel
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3155 [20:24:28] <asulil> hi all
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3157 [20:25:05] <syncrr> rozie_: reconfiguring and compiling a kernel is fine, but i don't want to keep the original kernel and just run debian in a chroot.
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3162 [20:26:21] <ziGuy> Hi guys,
3163 [20:26:22] <ziGuy> Is it possible to "lock" a package so that apt-get/aptitude or something else won't remove it while updating or something like that?
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3168 [20:26:50] <ziGuy> I always need to reinstall Teamviewer because it somehow got deleted.
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3171 [20:27:43] <somiaj> ziGuy: there are ways you can try to do whta you want, but I don't think that is the best solution to the problem.
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3175 [20:28:08] <somiaj> ziGuy: figure out why is it getting removed. If it is getting removed due to a conflict (or a dependecy/libary conflict) you need to figure out what packages are conflicting on your systetm
3176 [20:28:19] <CuteMeOwnThroat> you can put a package on hold… but maybe you should have a look why it's being removed instead
3177 [20:28:21] <somiaj> if it is getting removed due to 'auto' flags, just apt-mark the package as manual.
3178 [20:28:36] <rozie_> syncrr: I guess it was Debian in chroot
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3180 [20:29:07] <CuteMeOwnThroat> or maybe install it outside the packaging system, it's usually not such a great idea to install 3rd-party .debs
3181 [20:29:17] <rozie_> not sure if it's the only option. just what I saw at presentation
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3189 [20:30:47] <ziGuy> i'll try that, thank you my friends
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3193 [20:31:32] <syncrr> yeah, it's probably better to install it to /usr/local or something that the official packages don't care about.
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3195 [20:32:16] <winterflaw> ah
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3198 [20:32:20] <winterflaw> the package I want is in backports
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3207 [20:35:01] <winterflaw> bingo
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3209 [20:35:09] <somiaj> winterflaw: jessie is a frozen system so everying is compiled to work in that frozen system. Newer stuff is provided via jessie-backports. check apt-cache policy to see if there is a backport version of packages.
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3211 [20:35:49] <winterflaw> I understand what you're saying, but how does that fit with for example new kernel images being released?
3212 [20:35:53] <winterflaw> they're not in backports
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3218 [20:36:54] <CuteMeOwnThroat> winterflaw, what are you referring to
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3220 [20:37:24] <winterflaw> somiaj's comment - about the system being frozen
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3222 [20:37:30] <somiaj> winterflaw: debian provides support for the 3.16 kernel which is still the default kernel in jessie, so how is this new kernels being released?
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3224 [20:37:49] <CuteMeOwnThroat> no, I meant what kernel update are you talking about
3225 [20:38:14] <winterflaw> well, I'm on kernel 4.7.1
3226 [20:38:16] <somiaj> winterflaw: security/bug fixes are backported and sometimes new hardware drivers are backported. But the jessie kernel has been the 3.16.x line since its release.
3227 [20:38:22] <winterflaw> I wasn't expecting that to be a continuation of a 3-series kernel
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3229 [20:38:45] <somiaj> winterflaw: that is a jessie-backports kernel. newer kernels are provided by debian, but these kernels don't have the security support of the offical one.
3230 [20:39:23] <winterflaw> ah yes - I think quite a while ago I had to get a 4-series kernel to get my wifi working
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3232 [20:39:35] <winterflaw> that explains why I'm seeing it in the package manager
3233 [20:39:40] <winterflaw> and none of the other packages from backports
3234 [20:39:52] <winterflaw> right
3235 [20:39:54] <winterflaw> glibc configured
3236 [20:39:56] <winterflaw> now to make...
3237 [20:40:27] <somiaj> winterflaw: since jessie-backport packages don't have the seucirty or testing of the frozen system, they will never be installed unless you explicity ask for them, -t jessie-backports.
3238 [20:40:38] <winterflaw> yup
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3242 [20:40:53] <winterflaw> was just re-reading the page on how to install backports :-)
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3245 [20:41:56] <winterflaw> well I was about to ask for guesses on how long it'd take glibc to compile, but it turns out it took about five seconds before it ran into trouble =-)
3246 [20:41:59] <error3> wondering...
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3249 [20:42:07] <error3> apt-get source <package> get the source and install it.
3250 [20:42:17] <error3> though I got that
3251 [20:42:21] <error3> sh: 1: dpkg-source: not found
3252 [20:42:22] <somiaj> error3: that just gets the source (no installing)
3253 [20:42:36] <somiaj> error3: do you have build-essential installed (you may need some building tools)
3254 [20:42:38] <error3> shouldn't we have a dependency on dpkg-source then ?
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3256 [20:42:51] <error3> sorry dpkg-dev, not dpkg-source
3257 [20:42:57] <error3> just wondering :)
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3260 [20:43:20] <TomTomTosch> can you paste the full command and output to paste.debian.net?
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3262 [20:44:09] <error3> replaced-url
3263 [20:44:29] <error3> it works just fine after having dpkg-dev installed... I'm just wondering if that means it should be install automatically when installing apt.
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3279 [20:49:57] <CuteMeOwnThroat> winterflaw, are you using the glibc-source package?
3280 [20:50:11] <somiaj> error3: atp suggest: dpkg-dev (>= 1.17.2)
3281 [20:50:25] <winterflaw> oh - don't worry about me - this is #debian not #glibc :-)
3282 [20:50:26] <somiaj> error3: note this isn't needed for binary only systems so it is only a suggetsion not a hard dependency
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3284 [20:51:15] <winterflaw> but to answer you, I'm building every version of GCC starting with 4.1.2, with its contemporary dependencies and glibc and numactl
3285 [20:51:31] <winterflaw> so I'm downloading the glibc sources from ftp.gnu.org
3286 [20:51:34] <CuteMeOwnThroat> winterflaw, but there's a debian package that seems to be specifically made for the purpose
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3288 [20:51:46] <TomTomTosch> never noticed this because i always installed build-essential first. it is a little weird that it's only suggested but throws an error without.
3289 [20:51:48] <CuteMeOwnThroat> also… sounds like "fun"
3290 [20:51:56] <winterflaw> for *all* versions of glibc?
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3292 [20:52:10] <winterflaw> one sec while I look for the package
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3294 [20:52:40] <CuteMeOwnThroat> I have no idea… I like my glibc pre-made
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3296 [20:52:42] <winterflaw> ja, I think that will be the sources for glibc 2.19
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3298 [20:52:56] <winterflaw> currently building with GG 6.2.0 so working with glibc 2.24
3299 [20:52:58] <winterflaw> for my sins :-)
3300 [20:53:06] <winterflaw> I like mine pre-made too
3301 [20:53:21] <CuteMeOwnThroat> what were they
3302 [20:53:27] <winterflaw> after I get them all going on x64, gotta do the same for ARM32, ARM64 and MIPS32
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3304 [20:54:08] <somiaj> TomTomTosch: the recommended/suggested line is very blury and I wish more packages would be only suggested. In this case it doesn't affect the main functionality of apt for binary packages.
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3308 [20:55:13] <somiaj> TomTomTosch: though there is a lot of opinion on this. Should recommended/suggested packages be automatically insatlled or require the user to manually install them if they need. And this is why there are two categories.
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3312 [20:57:51] <CuteMeOwnThroat> sadly, it's difficult if not impossible to make every aspect of a system totally unsurprising for every potential user
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3315 [20:58:39] <TomTomTosch> somiaj: i understand the policy. but having a function in apt that errors out because the dependency is missing is just weird. normally suggested means 'software that enhances functionality', not 'allows bult-in functionality to operate properly'.
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3320 [21:00:36] <somiaj> TomTomTosch: yea, wonder if the error should be updated to tell the user what package to install (I do agree that it should be a suggested package)
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3323 [21:02:10] <TomTomTosch> it does replaced-url
3324 [21:02:13] <winterflaw> bailing now - thanks for your help, all; took me a step forward
3325 [21:02:18] <TomTomTosch> i guess it's not that big of a deal.
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3327 [21:02:41] <somiaj> TomTomTosch: oh nice, (:
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3338 [21:07:06] <Sircle> Hi
3339 [21:07:22] <Sircle> Ubuntu/linux question. Similar to debian. May I?
3340 [21:07:27] <greycat> No.
3341 [21:07:29] <somiaj> !ubunut
3342 [21:07:38] <somiaj> !ubuntu
3343 [21:07:38] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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3346 [21:08:03] <Sircle> greycat: somiaj ok. but the issue is overlapping to debian
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3348 [21:08:11] <Sircle> May I?
3349 [21:08:33] <greycat> Why are you not asking your Ubuntu question in #ubuntu?
3350 [21:08:55] <Sircle> greycat: I am. But I want to take views of debain as well. Maybe I shift to debian
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3352 [21:09:23] <Sircle> I want to know how debain handles such issues
3353 [21:09:24] <croddy> by this point you could have just asked the question, though you likely would have got the same reply
3354 [21:09:28] <Sircle> May I?
3355 [21:09:39] <Sircle> ok
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3357 [21:10:10] <Sircle> I plugged nvs quadro 420 and 450 replaced-url
3358 [21:10:16] <Sircle> multiseat) is 100% supported by ubuntu? How would debian react? Same issues with debain too? If not, I can do debian
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3365 [21:11:35] <krisssss> hi i have problem with "a start job is running for load kernel modules"
3366 [21:11:46] <krisssss> on boot
3367 [21:11:54] <krisssss> and never end
3368 [21:11:57] <module000> krisssss: which job?
3369 [21:11:59] <krisssss> please help
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3372 [21:13:28] <krisssss> module000: i dont know .... it's show on boot and never end
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3375 [21:13:59] <krisssss> i dont know how i can check it
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3377 [21:14:39] <CtrlC> how can I run two blocking commands in one script at the same time?
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3379 [21:14:57] <greycat> cmd1 & cmd2 &
3380 [21:15:05] <CtrlC> I need to be able to close them later on too.
3381 [21:15:10] <greycat> Define "close".
3382 [21:15:24] <CtrlC> Ctrl + C
3383 [21:15:29] <CtrlC> stop the process.
3384 [21:15:46] <greycat> Ctrl-C sends a SIGINT to the foreground process group. When you run commands in the background with &, they will not receive Ctrl-C.
3385 [21:16:02] <CtrlC> exactly!
3386 [21:16:09] <greycat> What are you trying to do?
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3388 [21:16:25] <CtrlC> avoid writing service scripts for now.
3389 [21:17:11] <greycat> Writing a systemd unit file is ten times easier than writing a sysvinit init.d script with start-stop-daemon and run order comment hacks and all that shit.
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3391 [21:17:41] <greycat> Especially since you've already shown you don't even know how to write shell scripts.
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3395 [21:18:49] <CuteMeOwnThroat> Sirc… ah… !next
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3399 [21:19:34] <krisssss> replaced-url
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3402 [21:19:53] <krisssss> how i can repair that?
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3411 [21:21:03] <doebi> any good software for creating panoramas from separate images?
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3414 [21:21:16] <croddy> hugin
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3422 [21:22:19] <krisssss> anybody?
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3434 [21:24:47] <CuteMeOwnThroat> fix what?
3435 [21:25:02] <krisssss> replaced-url
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3440 [21:25:11] <krisssss> i can't run system
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3442 [21:27:36] <CuteMeOwnThroat> I saw those. some text what happened and when instead of three lines of errors/warnings would be good
3443 [21:27:59] <CuteMeOwnThroat> is this during, boot, what version of debian is this, what did you do with kernel modules?
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3452 [21:30:12] <krisssss> CuteMeOwnThroat: i do nothng
3453 [21:30:25] <krisssss> i cant check Debian version now :/
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3456 [21:31:52] <krisssss> i don't know how check version now
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3458 [21:33:02] <humbot> cat /etc/*version*
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3460 [21:33:21] <humbot> ooh
3461 [21:33:42] <doebi> croddy: thx
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3463 [21:34:16] <CuteMeOwnThroat> I *think* he can't boot, so he can't check… but… I'm guessing
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3468 [21:34:38] <greycat> Even if his boot explodes after GRUB he should still be able to say what the GRUB line says.
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3470 [21:34:47] <greycat> Or does he not even get a GRUB menu?
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3474 [21:36:50] <CuteMeOwnThroat> I dunno… it's 3 lines of errors from … somewhere
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3477 [21:37:21] <greycat> This is the part where the person having the problem chimes in and says "When I try to boot it says ____"
3478 [21:37:24] * greycat waits
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3485 [21:39:52] <krisssss> replaced-url
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3491 [21:40:34] <greycat> So we *do* get past GRUB. Those look like Linux messages.
3492 [21:40:52] <greycat> 4.4.19-1-pve does not look like a Debian kernel. "Tainted" means there are non-free modules loaded.
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3494 [21:41:35] <greycat> He is not telling us the Debian version because, obviously, it's not Debian.
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3496 [21:41:54] <towo`> taht looks like proxmox
3497 [21:41:59] <krisssss> greycat: sorry
3498 [21:42:06] <towo`> and they have own suppot
3499 [21:42:12] <towo`> *support
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3535 [21:56:59] <doebi> croddy: also know something for hdr?
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3544 [22:01:02] <teraflops> pve looks like proxmox yep
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3574 [22:11:27] <croddy> doebi: luminance-hdr
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3577 [22:12:23] <CtrlC> what is the easiest way to have a give out a proxy? https proxy preferably.
3578 [22:12:45] <CtrlC> the "have" is extra.
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3580 [22:13:40] <apb1963_> CtrlC, I've never used it, but squid is a proxy server. That's all we know. :)
3581 [22:13:59] <CtrlC> apb1963_, It is too big I guess.
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3595 [22:18:15] <Notaris> I am trying to get a HP Color LaserJet MFP m277dw running on jessie. The printer needs hplip >=3.15.4, jessie only ships 3.14.6. Thus I installed 3.16.9 from jessie-backports. Upstream is 3.16.10 which added support for Debian 8.6. Where is the right place for help as I am running into errors: here, backports mailing list or replaced-url
3596 [22:18:47] <greycat> If it's in jessie-backports, then someone here might be able to help.
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3598 [22:19:25] <croddy> doebi: apt-cache search [search string] is how i found those, btw
3599 [22:19:32] <croddy> usually i stop there before even trying google
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3604 [22:20:17] <Notaris> Ok, I'll give it a try: The printer needs a hp plugin. hp-setup throws out: Downloading plug-in from:
3605 [22:20:17] <Notaris> error: /home/holger/.hplip/hplip-3.16.9-plugin.run file does not match its checksum. File may have been corrupted or altered
3606 [22:21:01] <Notaris> replaced-url
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3608 [22:21:15] <Notaris> ^is the output of hp-check -t
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3615 [22:22:41] <Notaris> On replaced-url
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3622 [22:25:35] <sk__> hi guys i have a problem with some processes i cant kill even with -9 i would like to understand better what is goin on, someone that can help me?
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3625 [22:26:42] <Notaris> The error messages of hp-check -t of replaced-url
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3702 [22:56:13] <lima> hi, i am going to start working with servers again, and would like to know of any documentation/tutorial for tools such as apache, bind etc.
3703 [22:56:23] <lima> anyone?
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3718 [23:02:16] <greycat> lima: the only Debian-specific bit I know about apache2 or bind is the weird-ass apache2 configs that Debian uses. These are described in /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz
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3723 [23:03:35] <greycat> There's a README.Debian.gz in /usr/share/doc/bind9/ also but I don't think there's really anything vital in it. Things should be fairly obvious.
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3764 [23:28:53] <aboulafia_> hi, i tried to understand why with exactly the same antenna, i can't connect on the same network wiht Jessie and I need 4s to connect with my Macbook
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3768 [23:30:12] <jmcnaught> aboulafia_: can your Debian computer use wifi at all?
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3771 [23:32:02] <aboulafia_> jmcnaught: yes. I connected now with my Mac because I can connect with Jessie by network-manager or by command line. I only changed my computer, plug the same wifi usb carc
3772 [23:32:15] <aboulafia_> **carcd
3773 [23:32:20] <aboulafia_> **card
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3776 [23:34:01] <aboulafia_> in command line wpa_supplicant made me associated but dhclient can't obtain ip adress
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3779 [23:34:31] <jmcnaught> aboulafia_: can your Debian computer successfully use this USB wifi card on any network?
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3783 [23:34:44] <teraflops> aboulafia_: and which is that card model and chipset?
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3785 [23:35:44] <teraflops> because saying it works in osx is useless as saying it works in windows
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3791 [23:37:02] <aboulafia_> teraflops: for Jessie I have to model an AWUS 036H (REALTEK 8187) the second one is an AWUS036NHRV2 (atheros chipset). I got connection with theses cards but sometimes I connect and sometimes not
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3794 [23:38:05] <aboulafia_> I can try on windows, but works too. Only on linux i got problem
3795 [23:38:07] <teraflops> aboulafia_: ah well that's different
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3799 [23:39:17] <teraflops> aboulafia_: when you say osx or windows, are those different machines or you do dual/triple boot on the same machine?
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3804 [23:39:55] <teraflops> also what does dmesg say, and rfkill list?
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3811 [23:41:26] <aboulafia_> teraflops: no, i have a dual boot win7/jessie and a Mac. I using the mac now because I want to be sure I use the same installation. I only unplugged my other laptop and plug the antenna on the mac
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3814 [23:42:09] <teraflops> aboulafia_: so the dual booting machine is where you get the issue?
3815 [23:42:29] <aboulafia_> teraflops: yes
3816 [23:42:37] <teraflops> aboulafia_: yeah look at dmesg and rfkill list and paste here
3817 [23:43:00] <teraflops> paste to replaced-url
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3821 [23:43:32] <aboulafia_> teraflops: I really don't know if how I will do if i can't connect the other pc
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3823 [23:43:57] <teraflops> use a usb stick?
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3826 [23:44:24] <aboulafia_> wait
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3831 [23:49:15] <aboulafia_> coming back : i don't have rfkill installed wait for the link
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3853 [23:58:00] <aboulafia_> ok it's a bit long because paste.debian.net don't want my dmesg content. Crazy... anyway : replaced-url
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