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37 [00:11:38] <missmbob> is there a way to change the keyshort in xfce4-terminal for switching tabs? now it's alt+num and i want to change
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40 [00:12:27] <RoBo_V> hey guys how can we run crontab task as root user
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45 [00:16:10] <awal1> missmbob, ctrl+pageup/pagedown maybe?
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49 [00:16:23] <missmbob> RoBo_V: that's default if you just throw something in /etc/crontab
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51 [00:16:56] <missmbob> awal1: i just cant have it be alt+num is all. i need to change it to something else because alt+1 conflicts with a program i'm running in it
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55 [00:17:59] <awal1> missmbob, Ctrl+PageUp/PageDown works for me here
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57 [00:18:12] <RoBo_V> missmbob: hmm, how can we see detaileed output of same task
58 [00:18:22] <missmbob> awal1: works here too. that's not the point. it's also alt+num. i can't have it be alt+num.
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60 [00:18:48] <missmbob> RoBo_V: you have to pipe the output to whatever logfile you want
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67 [00:19:43] <missmbob> RoBo_V: so after the script path in /etc/crontab you would add something like > /tmp/cronlogfoo.log 2>&1 and you'll have the log in /tmp/cronlogfoo.log
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71 [00:20:26] <RoBo_V> missmbob: right, what does 2>&1 mplies
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73 [00:20:38] <awal1> missmbob, Alt+number and Ctrl+PageUp/PageDown works here when the terminal have focus
74 [00:20:48] <missmbob> awal1: are you drunk?
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78 [00:21:51] <missmbob> RoBo_V: google. 2> redirects stderr to a file, appending &1 redirects stderr to stdout
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80 [00:22:01] <RoBo_V> ok ty
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83 [00:23:46] <awal1> missmbob, I'm never drunk :P I just wanted to tell you that you may want to use ctrl+pageup/pagedown as an alternative bcuz I dont see an option for config what you want in terminal preferences ;)
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85 [00:24:52] <missmbob> awal1: then i think you need to reread.
86 [00:25:14] <RoBo_V> missmbob: so yea i see, if task is running as root it says permission denied.
87 [00:25:23] <RoBo_V> im trying to rsync some files, thats it.
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89 [00:26:11] <RoBo_V> from /var/replaced-url
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104 [00:32:53] <awal1> missmbob, I think you "can" change that editing the file /.config/xfce4/terminal/accels.scm
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109 [00:33:44] <missmbob> awal1: thanks i'll look
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118 [00:35:33] <Paul--> hello
119 [00:35:52] <missmbob> d
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128 [00:39:51] <Paul--> I use debian 7.11 , iceaweasel browser ask me to activate flash bugged plugin to view you tube videos , don't youtube use html5 without flash ? please answer me
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130 [00:41:44] <ojeno_> What version of Iceweasel do you use?
131 [00:41:47] <Paul--> I want see youtube videos with H264 , I have h264 plugin installed , but youtube ask me to activate flash, please answer me
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133 [00:43:05] <Paul--> 38.8.0
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135 [00:43:29] <TG_> there's a mozilla add-on for that, youtube flash, a few of them really
136 [00:43:58] <TG_> wait. you say it doesn't work with Flash or HTML5?
137 [00:44:14] <Paul--> TG_, usually youtube go without flash, with html5
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140 [00:44:58] <allizom> Paul--: What if you disable Flash from about:addons / Plugins / Set Flash to Never activate ? Or better uninstall it
141 [00:45:00] <Paul--> TG_, don't go with html5 , youtube ask me flash plugin, but youtube use html5 with H264
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144 [00:45:28] <allizom> BTW, you should really update Iceweasel to the new ESR
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148 [00:45:46] <ojeno_> First of all, you should update to 45.4
149 [00:45:50] <ojeno_> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
150 [00:46:01] <ojeno_> Indeed
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153 [00:46:27] <Paul--> allizom, Ok done. I didn't think youtube ask flash by default , now go
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155 [00:47:02] <Paul--> dist-upgrade = upgrade to 8 , to much long I re-install from zero pls
156 [00:47:03] <TG_> Paul--, so what do you want? HTML5 or H264?
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159 [00:47:36] <allizom> TG_: they're not mutually exclusive
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161 [00:48:18] <Paul--> H264
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163 [00:48:35] <ojeno_> (Btw, Flash is not officially part of Debian)
164 [00:48:38] <Paul--> excuse me , html5
165 [00:48:57] <Paul--> I know , flash is in the backports
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167 [00:51:03] <ojeno_> As far as I know it is part of the contrib repository which is not officially part of Debian, so I guess you have added that. Anyway, I recommend using the Iceweasel add-on HTML5 Video Everywhere
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177 [00:54:21] <Paul--> I ran apt-get update && upgrade ; the system is upgraded but iceweasel is again to 38.8.0 , why ?
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179 [00:55:43] <Paul--> I ran apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ; the system is upgraded but iceweasel is again to 38.8.0 , why ?
180 [00:55:57] <ojeno_> Did you restart the browser?
181 [00:56:03] <Paul--> sure
182 [00:56:35] <TG_> Paul--, ok, so what's preventing you from seeing H264 again?
183 [00:57:54] <humbot> iceweasel was kept back because of the change to firefox-esr ?
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185 [00:58:10] <Paul--> TG_, nothing you tube go , I don't understand 'cause iceweasel don't upgrade
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188 [00:58:37] <humbot> i think you need to run apt-get dist-upgrade
189 [00:59:36] <TG_> Is Iceweasel refusing to run Flash because it's not a secure version?
190 [00:59:37] <Paul--> this is the standard version iceweasel
191 [00:59:51] <humbot> replaced-url
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194 [01:00:14] <Paul--> humbot, I re-install debian 8.* from zero , sorry upgrade is too much slow
195 [01:00:38] <humbot> okay
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197 [01:00:55] <humbot> i guess i misunderstood the problem
198 [01:01:21] <Paul--> and here in italy the dsl line are as african lines...very slow , I have 240Kbyte/sec of band
199 [01:01:32] <TG_> Paul--, can you run update-flashplugin-nonfree --verbose and tell me what it says?
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201 [01:01:53] <TG_> it probably doesn't matter
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204 [01:02:52] <TG_> where on YouTube does it say to "Activate Flash"? in the box where the video would normally play?
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206 [01:03:41] <Paul--> pablo@debian:~$ lsb_release -a
207 [01:03:41] <Paul--> No LSB modules are available.
208 [01:03:41] <Paul--> Distributor ID: Debian
209 [01:03:41] <Paul--> Description: Debian GNU/Linux 7.11 (wheezy)
210 [01:03:42] <CuteMeOwnThroat> Paul--, there was a switch from iceweasel branding back to firefox about half a year ago… it probably needs a dist-upgrade (or full-upgrade or whatever it's called now) for that switch
211 [01:03:42] *** Paul-- was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
212 [01:03:51] <CuteMeOwnThroat> oh yay
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215 [01:04:01] <Paul--> bash: update-flashplugin-nonfree: command not found
216 [01:04:03] <Paul--> pablo@debian:~$
217 [01:04:05] <Paul--> excuse me
218 [01:04:21] <CuteMeOwnThroat> *sigh*
219 [01:04:24] <CuteMeOwnThroat> Paul--, there was a switch from iceweasel branding back to firefox about half a year ago… it probably needs a dist-upgrade (or full-upgrade or whatever it's called now) for that switch
220 [01:04:37] <ojeno_> Indeed, you should do a dist-upgrade, it does not upgrade to Debian 8
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222 [01:04:51] <CuteMeOwnThroat> oh, he's on wheezy
223 [01:04:54] <CuteMeOwnThroat> no wonder
224 [01:05:09] <ojeno_> replaced-url
225 [01:05:26] <CuteMeOwnThroat> dpkg, wheezy->jessie
226 [01:05:27] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
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231 [01:07:06] <humbot> you should still be able to upgrade in a few hours
232 [01:07:32] <Paul--> CuteMeOwnThroat, do u mean iceweasel isn't in the new repository of wheezy ?
233 [01:07:52] <ojeno_> Why upgrade to Debian 8, the latest Iceweasel/Firefox-esr is in the Weezy repositories
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236 [01:08:36] <humbot> oh nice, firefox itself should only take a few minutes
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238 [01:09:02] <Paul--> ojeno_, I'll install debian 8 from zero I told you , I have debian on 3 computer, and have the dvd too and I know to make a usb pendrive bootable with debian
239 [01:09:25] <humbot> that speed is just under half of what i have on adsl2 in the UK, not super-terrible
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244 [01:10:18] <Paul--> we have more old telefone line of west europe here, the phone cable are old of 30-40 years
245 [01:10:56] <CuteMeOwnThroat> ojeno_, because it makes little sense to run wheezy-lts on something that has desktopy software like ff?
246 [01:11:00] <Paul--> with hpsa+ modem I go to 400-450Kbyte/sec
247 [01:11:13] <Paul--> hspa+
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249 [01:12:04] <CuteMeOwnThroat> there's that
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251 [01:12:33] <Paul--> however , debian number 1
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257 [01:13:52] <TG_> Paul--, you need to run update-flashplugin-nonfree as root to get it to work
258 [01:13:58] <ojeno_> Ok, excuse me if I do not understand the matter, but I interpreted it as you were running Wheezy now and have an out-to-date version of Iceweasel. So the easiest way to solve a lot of Iceweasel-related problems is to upgrade to the newest version
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261 [01:14:32] <allizom> TG_: I assume that Paul-- is viewing Youtube videos just fine with Flash set to never activate
262 [01:14:54] <Paul--> html5
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264 [01:15:35] <Paul--> however flash is a fine big bullshit
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266 [01:16:08] <Paul--> I un-install it , and never I'll re-install
267 [01:16:10] <Paul--> sure
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269 [01:16:46] <allizom> props
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272 [01:17:26] <TG_> Paul--, please paste the output to me in /msg or use replaced-url
273 [01:18:06] <TG_> Paul--, are you telling me you uninstalled Flash and now you expect it to work?
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276 [01:19:49] <Paul--> TG_, pls don't be stupid ... youtube use html5 for the videos ...
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278 [01:20:16] <TG_> please don't call me stupid if you can't get Flash running
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285 [01:23:41] <TomTomTo1> why are we talking about flash? he said he didn't want it.
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290 [01:25:34] <Paul--> another question : how may I download the hotfix and after use they to upgrade many machines ?
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298 [01:29:10] <TomTomTo1> what hotfix? if you are looking for an apt caching proxy, there is for example apt-cacher-ng
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300 [01:29:48] <Paul--> I have 1 pc and 2 laptop with debian , how may I download the hotfix for default debian 8 and after use they to update 3 machines ?
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304 [01:30:41] <dvs> Paul--, apt-mirror is one way but that's probably overkill
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312 [01:32:42] <Paul--> dvs, overkill ? why ?
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315 [01:33:35] <dvs> Paul--, it downloads the whole archive and keep it up to date. If you just want one patch, I'd just get the .deb file.
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318 [01:35:11] <zykotick9> Paul--: you might want to check out apt-cacher-ng
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320 [01:35:23] <Paul--> dvs, I mean download the .deb files of the classic : apt-get update && apt-get upgrade | and after use it to upgrade the computer ; as I told before I have a little dsl line here sorry
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324 [01:37:04] <Paul--> ok I see it, it's a perl script
325 [01:37:28] <Paul--> I write the information, and the next time I upgrade all to deb 8
326 [01:37:40] <dvs> Paul--, After you run those commands, you could search for it in /var/cache/apt/archives
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328 [01:38:16] <sm00th> what script?
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330 [01:39:23] <Paul--> apt.cacher is a perl script
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332 [01:39:42] <Paul--> good
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341 [01:47:14] <apb1963_> so there I was, minding my own business watching youtube, when debian froze. I powered down and back up.... and X won't come up.
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343 [01:47:53] <apb1963_> Jessie.
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345 [01:50:44] <gry> does a tty come up if you ctrl+alt+f1
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347 [01:51:03] <th0r> apb1963_, for beginners, the lock file for X probably needs to be deleted. It is usually dumped when X shuts down....which it didn't
348 [01:52:44] <apb1963_> gry, that's where I start out... no need to switch VTs. Yes, I'm logged in at a terminal
349 [01:52:53] <apb1963_> th0r, Where is it please?
350 [01:53:22] <gry> how much free disk space have you got
351 [01:53:48] <apb1963_> 85 GB
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353 [01:54:40] <th0r> apb1963_, not sure. had that problem years ago...the experience taught me not to. I think it was called .Xlock, but not even sure abt that ... been a long time
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356 [01:56:07] <missmbob> it's .X0-lock but it's in /tmp, which means it gets deleted on reboot (as with everything else in /tmp).
357 [01:56:41] <apb1963_> ok, so it's not disk space and it's not a lock file...
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359 [01:56:49] <gry> I would type `startx` in a tty and read the output, maybe it's enlightening
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361 [01:57:05] <apb1963_> gry, sounds reasonable
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364 [01:58:50] <apb1963_> gry, freaky friday... I did it over ssh from another machine just out of curiousity... it's running. lol
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367 [01:59:55] <gry> Started working, but your login manager does not work?
368 [02:00:12] <gry> I would re-install the login manager to see if it's willing to start working then
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371 [02:03:50] <apb1963_> ok so I went back to the console... if I type startx it works just fine.
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373 [02:04:46] <apb1963_> gry, login manager..... like... kdm ?
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379 [02:08:28] <gry> yes
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398 [02:17:36] <MikeDebian> I've windows and debian installed on my laptop and I've downsized windows partition to increase linux partition. So, the first step is done, downsizing windows partitions (I used win10 disk management to do it). my problem now is that the unallocated space is before my ext4 linux partition. how can I add this free space to the linux partition without messing up with booting etc?
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400 [02:19:14] <dvs> gparted?
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405 [02:20:24] <MikeDebian> yeah but practically how? I can't just move the linux partition to the beginning of the free space I guess... that would mess with booting and maybe loss something in the middle
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407 [02:21:28] <dvs> gparted can do that but you'll need to reinstall grub.
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410 [02:26:12] <x98x> Can someone help me? I am not able to solve this problem in apt-get. Debian 8 jessie replaced-url
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412 [02:27:41] <dvs> x98x, (No space left on device)
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417 [02:30:11] <x98x> dvs how can I solve this?
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437 [02:33:47] <SirLagz> x98x: what would you do if you had no space left on device?
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440 [02:34:30] <dvs> x98x, apt-get clean?
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443 [02:36:40] <x98x> Yes, I tried to have the apt-get clean. It seems that the / usr is full. You know how I can increase the size or delete files so that I can solve the problem? replaced-url
444 [02:37:02] <x98x> /dev/dm-0 4.7G 4.6G 32M 100% /usr
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447 [02:38:05] <dvs> x98x That's too small for /usr. Looks like a job for gparted.
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450 [02:39:19] <dvs> Man! That's why I don't make too many partitions.
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682 [03:17:53] <SerajewelKS> well that was an adventure. kernel updates for dirty cow. worked fine on one box, on the other the system wouldn't boot and i had to tinker in the installer's rescue mode for over an hour.
683 [03:18:14] <SerajewelKS> which included purging and reinstalling both grub and the kernel
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688 [03:18:34] <SerajewelKS> why do LVM-in-RAID1 systems gotta be so complicated :S
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695 [03:20:22] <foul_owl> Hi folks...file dialogs have started including folders in with files alphabetically, rather than putting folders at the top. How do I revert to keeping folders at the top? Happens with apps that might use gnome, like firefox's save dialog, soundjuicer, etc
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697 [03:20:27] <foul_owl> Thunar is still correct though
698 [03:20:33] <foul_owl> I'm using fluxbox as my wm
699 [03:20:47] <SerajewelKS> foul_owl: ew
700 [03:20:53] <foul_owl> I know right?
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702 [03:21:02] <SerajewelKS> that's my single biggest complaint with Finder on OS X
703 [03:21:07] <foul_owl> Not sure when it started happening
704 [03:21:13] <foul_owl> Must have been after an update
705 [03:21:20] <foul_owl> #$@&* gnome
706 [03:21:23] <SerajewelKS> gotta cater to the masses
707 [03:21:48] <SerajewelKS> thankfully i'm turning my macbook in when i get back to work. i convinced them to get me a linux tower.
708 [03:22:22] <foul_owl> I was given a macbook at a previous job. I threw debian on there which worked pretty well
709 [03:22:26] <SerajewelKS> foul_owl: if there is a setting, you can bet it's buried in gconf somewhere
710 [03:22:37] <foul_owl> Ah gotcha
711 [03:22:39] <foul_owl> Thanks!
712 [03:22:51] <SerajewelKS> foul_owl: a quick google points at replaced-url
713 [03:23:03] <SerajewelKS> perhaps the gconf key it lists has been flipped
714 [03:23:20] <SerajewelKS> "To achieve the same effect for the Open and Save file dialogs, navigate to the key org.gtk.Settings.FileChooser and set the option sort-directories-first to true."
715 [03:23:26] <foul_owl> You rule
716 [03:23:29] <foul_owl> Thanks again!!
717 [03:23:34] <SerajewelKS> np, happy to help
718 [03:23:49] <SerajewelKS> i dunno why they would change that
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720 [03:24:00] <SerajewelKS> to be more like mac maybe
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722 [03:24:31] <foul_owl> Yeah it's uuuuugly
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724 [03:24:59] <SerajewelKS> i'm going to be trying LXDE with the awesome WM substituted
725 [03:25:09] <SerajewelKS> unless there's a better tiling window manager someone can point me toward
726 [03:25:49] <SerajewelKS> i've heard things about i3
727 [03:26:20] <foul_owl> Personally I like xmonad
728 [03:26:28] <foul_owl> Except it's like 1 gig of deps o_O
729 [03:26:35] <foul_owl> Which ehhhh shouldn't happen lol
730 [03:26:43] <SerajewelKS> idgaf about deps, i'm not paying for the hard drive ;P
731 [03:26:58] <foul_owl> Configuring it is a pain also, not going to lie
732 [03:27:09] <foul_owl> But it's super fast and it's pretty
733 [03:27:12] <SerajewelKS> hmm. that's my biggest complaint with awesome.
734 [03:27:16] <SerajewelKS> config suuuuucks
735 [03:27:25] <foul_owl> config for xmonad is....haskell o_O
736 [03:27:31] <SerajewelKS> i know lua, but i dunno why i'd want to dive into lua files to config a wm
737 [03:27:32] <foul_owl> So if you enjoy that...
738 [03:27:36] <SerajewelKS> oh shit. that's even worse.
739 [03:27:40] <foul_owl> Bahaha yeah
740 [03:27:54] <SerajewelKS> i mean i wrote a lua virtual machine in C#, it's not like it's hard
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794 [03:36:59] <molluskempire> allizom, yes I ran with the LXDE environment
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821 [03:37:30] <molluskempire> allizom, the windows machine is just on the same network connection.
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845 [03:39:04] <allizom> molluskempire: I don't use it, but from a description "Able to handle sftp://, webdav://, smb://, ...etc when related backends of gvfs are installed" PCManFM should do the job
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848 [03:41:29] <SerajewelKS> molluskempire: oh when you said "debian install" i thought you meant the installer
849 [03:41:48] <SerajewelKS> of course, if you are in an *installed* debian environment, then yeah, use a GUI tool if you prefer
850 [03:42:14] <wafflejock> molluskempire, easiest way I've seen with moving files around is to use scp, so long as the linux machine has an ssh server installed/running you just need to create a key pair on the client and put the public key on the server then can scp (personally run ubuntu typically)
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852 [03:42:54] <wafflejock> molluskempire, on the windows side can use the putty scp and other putty tools
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857 [03:44:23] <missmbob> there's also cwrsync (win side) and of course rsync on linux.
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902 [04:10:25] <molluskempire> allizom, actually that's hat I was trying to figure out in the first place. Networks isn't even showing up under PCManFM...though I suppose that's what I needed to fucos my search paramaters to. Time to go read a bit
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906 [04:12:15] <allizom> molluskempire: I am reading this: "type smb:// or smb://machinename/share into the address bar"
907 [04:12:44] <allizom> I guess you'll need to have gvfs-backends installed
908 [04:13:19] <molluskempire> could you link the documentation you're reading?
909 [04:14:15] <allizom> should apply nonetheless: replaced-url
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914 [04:16:17] <allizom> molluskempire: do you have a smb server already running on your Windows computer?
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919 [04:17:28] <molluskempire> I do not, however I'm noticing that under other debian based distro's 'network' showed up in PCManFM, I assume I just need to configure Debian to do so now.
920 [04:17:47] <molluskempire> I have gvfs-backend
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930 [04:21:43] <jakefb> hi, I'm having a problem with sendmail it is very slow
931 [04:22:05] <jakefb> I'm trying to configure my hosts file but I've had no luck at making it fast
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935 [04:23:11] <jakefb> can anyone help?
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954 [04:32:26] <knamehost> does zimbra works well with zimbra?
955 [04:32:37] <knamehost> does zimbra works well with debian
956 [04:32:39] <knamehost> ?
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982 [05:00:19] <missmbob> not so much
983 [05:00:28] <missmbob> !zimbra
984 [05:00:28] <dpkg> Zimbra Collaboration Suite (ZCS) is a <groupware> application by Zimbra Inc. ZCS Open Source Edition is not currently packaged for Debian, see replaced-url
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987 [05:02:40] <awal1> molluskempire, just go to pcmanfm preferences and in the 3d tab enable show network
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994 [05:07:01] <andlabs> Hi. Running Debian in QEMU with -vga std on OS X. The default resolution of the terminal overflows the Dock so I can't see the bottom of the screen. tput lines says 48. How can I reduce it to 24 **during boot, without modifying GRUB?** Everything I've found with Google talks about modifying GRUB. Thanks.
995 [05:07:41] <andlabs> also what is overwriting resolv.conf? I don't have resolvconf installed
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998 [05:08:37] <andlabs> oh right nm
999 [05:08:46] <andlabs> still wondering about the terminal size thing
1000 [05:09:30] <andlabs> which is also not installed
1001 [05:09:39] <andlabs> so what's overwriting myr esolv.conf if it's not resolvconf and it's not networkmanager?
1002 [05:11:14] <andlabs> oh dhclient
1003 [05:11:15] <andlabs> bleh.
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1013 [05:21:59] <andlabs> or... not.
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1022 [05:26:32] <Rubby> what does it mean when apt says none of my sources have release files?
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1027 [05:28:34] <hello> hi there
1028 [05:28:36] <hello> how can i install kali linux repo or something like i can install kali software in jailbroken idevice
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1031 [05:29:28] <Rubby> hello: are you being serious
1032 [05:29:51] <hello> i did jailbreak
1033 [05:29:58] <hello> replaced-url
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1054 [05:41:56] <jmcnaught> andlabs: can you put your /etc/apt/sources.list file on replaced-url
1055 [05:43:59] <andlabs> how would that help? this is a fresh install; I haven't touched that file yet, and that shouldn't affect dhclient being a bad boy
1056 [05:44:04] <andlabs> I'm installing resolvconf anyway
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1059 [05:45:04] <jmcnaught> andlabs: sorry wrong person
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1085 [06:03:09] <andlabs> also meh, modifying grub
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1140 [06:38:40] <missmbob> jmcnaught: do you know if stretch d-i uses ext4 native encryption or still luks?
1141 [06:38:42] <tippy> How does one make powertop settings stay after reboot?
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1145 [06:40:23] <missmbob> tippy: replaced-url
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1147 [06:41:18] <missmbob> tippy: archlinux wiki is much better...always look at their stuff first
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1170 [07:01:29] <tippy> missmbob, thank you!
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1174 [07:02:11] <tippy> Also, I get an error on start-up that says Failed to start Load/Save Screen Backlight Brightness of backlight:acpi_video0 - See 'systemctl status systemd-backlight@backlight:acpi_video0.service' for details.
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1177 [07:03:08] <tippy> The output of that command is:
1178 [07:03:09] <tippy> systemd-backlight@backlight:acpi_video0.service - Load/Save Screen Backlight B
1179 [07:03:09] <tippy> Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/systemd-backlight@.service; static; vendo
1180 [07:03:09] <tippy> Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Sun 2016-10-23 23:53:22 CDT; 9min ag
1181 [07:03:09] <tippy> Docs: man:systemd-backlight@.service(8)
1182 [07:03:09] <tippy> Main PID: 611 (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)
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1303 [08:23:21] <hang> hello Guys, how to avoid ipv4 connecting during install,upgrade, update package?
1304 [08:23:28] <hang> hello Guys, how to avoid ipv6 connecting during install,upgrade, update package?
1305 [08:25:36] <missmbob> you unplug it from the internet and use cd(s)/dvd(s) that include everything you want
1306 [08:25:49] <missmbob> dont configure a mirror
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1309 [08:26:13] <missmbob> edit /etc/apt/sources.list
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1334 [08:44:33] <keu4> ahh it's a wonderful day
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1367 [09:03:58] <[exa]> Hi everyone. What's the most "right" way to reconfigure keyboard layout in X server, directly in xorg.conf? (i.e. no windowmanager configuration)
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1371 [09:04:35] <[exa]> My configuration of layouts/variants from xorg.conf gets erased by something (but XKbOptions are processed and work just right)
1372 [09:04:52] <[exa]> I've also been trying /etc/default/keyboard, with no success
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1389 [09:12:33] <gebruiker> I am looking for a program ( other than synaptic ) to make upgrading easy and effortlessly for i.e dad & mom like folks, any suggestions?
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1395 [09:15:36] <aricz> Hi, trying to add a printer. Most tutorials tells me to go to the administration menu.. but there are none..
1396 [09:16:10] <gebruiker> aricz: what DE are you using?
1397 [09:16:27] <aricz> DE?
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1400 [09:16:50] <gebruiker> Desktop Environment, like gnome, kde, xfce
1401 [09:17:00] <aricz> Ah, xfce
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1403 [09:18:00] <gebruiker> There should be something like print in the settings menu ( not using english xfce)
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1408 [09:18:23] <aricz> Yeah, I have "Print Settings"
1409 [09:18:39] <aricz> And I can connect to a CUPS server
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1411 [09:19:11] <aricz> I don't know much about printers.. I'm on the wifi network where I'm at.. and I have the IP-address to the printer
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1414 [09:19:22] <gebruiker> aricz: replaced-url
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1417 [09:20:02] <aricz> Ok, thanks, will try
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1466 [09:35:20] <tirej> guys when i am trying to install luarocks it's installing lua5.1
1467 [09:35:40] <tirej> but luarocks has no dependencies
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1470 [09:37:34] <tirej> The following extra packages will be installed: liblua5.1-0-dev libreadline-dev libreadline6-dev libtinfo-dev libtool-bin lua5.1
1471 [09:37:34] <tirej> ? wtf
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1482 [09:42:44] <CuteMeOwnThroat> Depends: lua5.1, liblua5.1-dev, wget, zip
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1484 [09:43:03] <CuteMeOwnThroat> dont know what you are talking about
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1491 [09:45:42] <CuteMeOwnThroat> if you think the dependency shouldn't exist because it doesn't really depend on it, write a bug report … it'll probably be changed to "Recommends:" if that's true
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1495 [09:47:24] <jelly-home> ,i luarocks
1496 [09:47:26] <judd> Package luarocks (interpreters, optional) in jessie/amd64: deployment and management system for Lua modules. Version: 2.2.0+dfsg-1; Size: 86.4k; Installed: 517k; Homepage: replaced-url
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1498 [09:47:32] <egcmasti> hello
1499 [09:47:36] <egcmasti> i am having an issue
1500 [09:47:58] <jelly-home> if it deploys from source, there's the reason for having -dev package as a dep
1501 [09:48:57] <Anselmo> egcmasti: what sort of issue?
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1503 [09:49:05] <egcmasti> replaced-url
1504 [09:49:08] <egcmasti> here
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1507 [09:49:29] <egcmasti> i am unable to install libncurses5
1508 [09:49:44] <egcmasti> this is required for mysql-community
1509 [09:50:25] <jelly-home> egcmasti: your installation has mixed-in packages from something newer than debian 8 (the current release)
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1511 [09:50:35] <egcmasti> mysql-community-client : Depends: libncurses5 (>= 5.5-5~) but it is not going to be installed
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1513 [09:50:46] <egcmasti> yes
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1515 [09:50:50] <egcmasti> now how can i fix it
1516 [09:50:50] <egcmasti> ?
1517 [09:50:52] <egcmasti> :(
1518 [09:50:58] <jelly-home> egcmasti: reinstall debian 8
1519 [09:51:06] <egcmasti> :(
1520 [09:51:16] <egcmasti> this is going to be night mare
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1523 [09:51:32] <egcmasti> becuz i am hosting a game server
1524 [09:51:41] <jelly-home> it's already a mess. Trying to fix it at this point would be a nightmare
1525 [09:51:50] <egcmasti> damn
1526 [09:52:22] <jelly-home> if you're really desperate, ask the bot about: /msg dpkg partial downgrade
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1529 [09:54:16] <jelly-home> egcmasti: next time, avoid mixing stable with anything built for a later branch like testing or unstable (sid)
1530 [09:54:30] <jelly-home> that probably includes the liquorix sid repo
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1534 [09:57:37] <egcmasti> ok
1535 [09:57:54] <egcmasti> msg dpkg partial downgrade
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1560 [10:05:13] <aricz> 60 papers with gibberish later..
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1628 [10:36:56] <Iridos> what grinds my gears is, that evolution asks me if I want to reply to the mailing list or reply privately… then, when I say "privately", it answers to the whole list (and the person)
1629 [10:37:12] <Iridos> (or maybe and the person was a coincidence because they set themself in CC)
1630 [10:37:23] <Iridos> I wonder if that's a debian thing
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1793 [12:01:02] <felipebalbi> hi, debian SID's gcc-6 can't build linux kernel. I did patch Makefile to pass -fno-PIE, but I still have issues
1794 [12:01:07] <felipebalbi> arch/x86/entry/vdso/vdso32/note.S:1:0: sorry, unimplemented: -mfentry isn’t supported for 32-bit in combination with -fpic
1795 [12:01:10] <felipebalbi> any hints?
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1797 [12:01:23] <felipebalbi> I tried passing -fno-PIC, but didn't work :-(
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1800 [12:03:02] <felipebalbi> hmm.. make CC="gcc -fno-PIC -fno-PIE" seems to work. I might have another -fpic somewhere which I might be missing
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1835 [12:15:11] <bolt> Can someone explain for me the example in "man 8 pam_localuser"? it has pam_localuser listed as "sufficient", followed by pam_wheel as "required". It explains that this provides restrictions requireing both a local user, and a wheel user. However, the documentation seems to suggest that once a "sufficient" module succeeds, no other modules are consulted, so I don't see how the wheel module is enforced if the user is local...
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1861 [12:25:00] <hesterbest> I am having some issues when trying to add a user. I've previously added a user with the same username before, and then deleted it. Now that I am trying to recreate, I am prompted with the message ''The user 'xxx' already exists.". What can I do to recreate this user?
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1863 [12:25:25] <SirLagz> hesterbest: how did you delete the user before? did you also remove the group for the user?
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1865 [12:25:53] <anexit> how can I open a ##test.log file?
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1867 [12:26:09] <anexit> vi says no file found and just creates a new file
1868 [12:26:11] <hesterbest> SirLagz: I deleted the user with sudo deluser --remove-home username
1869 [12:26:27] <SirLagz> anexit: "##test.log" ?
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1871 [12:26:59] <anexit> SirLagz: yep that works!
1872 [12:27:04] <anexit> Thanks
1873 [12:27:09] <SirLagz> anexit: no problems
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1875 [12:28:06] <hesterbest> SirLagz: groupdel tells me that the group does not exists, so I figured that was not the problem.
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1880 [12:29:16] <hesterbest> SirLagz: userdel informs me that it is unable to remove the entry from /etc/passwd
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1882 [12:29:49] <SirLagz> hesterbest: well you could always remove it manually from /etc/passwd then
1883 [12:30:14] <hesterbest> SirLagz: The thing is.. there is no entry for that user in /etc/passwd
1884 [12:30:46] <SirLagz> hesterbest: ah. not sure then.
1885 [12:30:57] <hesterbest> SirLagz: ok, thank you.
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1908 [12:38:52] <yossarianuk> hi - is it possible with ACL's or something else to give user write permission to a directory but not be able to delete files ?
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1912 [12:41:33] <p3rs3us> hey guys, for non-login shells, where the environment variable PATH should be defined? Should I just add an entry to .bashrc? or is it better elsewhere?
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1922 [12:45:57] <teraflops> ok today is the spam-your-#channel day…
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1959 [13:01:43] <Iridos> yossarianuk, sticky bit… they can still delete their own files, though
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1966 [13:04:31] <petn-randall> yossarianuk: On a local system, or through some network protocol?
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1968 [13:05:00] <serhiy> Здравствуйте, здесь есть кто нибудь русскоговорящий?
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1970 [13:05:16] <jelly-home> !ru
1971 [13:05:24] <jelly-home> dselect: ru
1972 [13:05:24] <dselect> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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1976 [13:05:38] <serhiy> спасибо.
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1979 [13:05:48] <jelly-home> de nada :-)
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2036 [13:32:44] <chemist> Hello everyone, I need your help :) I am running Debian Jessie 64bit on a laptop. I am also quite a newbie when it comes to configuring stuff in linux. My problem: All of a sudden (since last reboot) the monitor attached to the HDMI port does not get recognized (haven't changed any settings). xrandr says that it is disconnected.
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2039 [13:33:09] <chemist> Please anyone for a couple of minutes of your time to help me solve this, because I need the additional monitor badly for work.
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2041 [13:33:31] <SirLagz> chemist: tried unplugging it and plugging it back in?
2042 [13:33:33] <chemist> Forgot to mention - my DE is xfce4
2043 [13:33:38] <chemist> SirLagz, already tried
2044 [13:33:59] <SirLagz> chemist: does the XFCE display settings detect the HDMI monitor?
2045 [13:34:05] <chemist> no
2046 [13:34:10] <foodev> chipset/driver might be useful info
2047 [13:34:12] <chemist> before the last reboot it did
2048 [13:34:33] <chemist> foodev, how do I check that?
2049 [13:34:37] <chemist> lshw?
2050 [13:34:44] <foodev> lspci
2051 [13:34:45] <SirLagz> chemist: lspci is probably easier
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2055 [13:35:16] <chemist> 01:00.0 Display controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Jet PRO [Radeon R5 M230]
2056 [13:35:26] <chemist> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Kaveri [Radeon R6 Graphics]
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2058 [13:35:41] <foodev> smod see what kernel modules are loaded
2059 [13:35:49] <chemist> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 15h (Models 30h-3fh) Processor Root Complex
2060 [13:35:50] <foodev> lsmod*
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2063 [13:36:05] <foodev> love of god dont paste lsmod here
2064 [13:36:10] <chemist> hahaha
2065 [13:36:15] <chemist> yeah I see...i'll do a pastebin
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2067 [13:36:40] <foodev> just check for fglrx or whatever the ati driver is
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2069 [13:37:06] <chemist> replaced-url
2070 [13:37:13] <chemist> oh, ok
2071 [13:37:14] <foodev> then i dunno google that driver+multi display
2072 [13:37:20] <SirLagz> chemist: or do lspci -s 01:00 -v
2073 [13:37:39] <SirLagz> that also shows you kernel module in use
2074 [13:37:50] <chemist> but the strange thing is that I didn't upgrade, change settings or anything... shut the pc down on thursday and today it doesn't work
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2076 [13:37:57] <chemist> SirLagz, ok just a sec.
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2079 [13:38:09] <SirLagz> chemist: tried swapping cables?
2080 [13:38:23] <chemist> Kernel driver in use: fglrx_pci
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2082 [13:38:51] <chemist> SirLagz, no...I don't have a spare hdmi cable here in office atm
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2084 [13:39:09] <SirLagz> chemist: I'd try that in case the HDMI cable is buggered. Checked the cable at both ends I assume?
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2088 [13:40:14] <chemist> wait a sec.
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2093 [13:40:57] <chemist> yes, It works now
2094 [13:40:59] <chemist> :/
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2096 [13:41:09] <chemist> The monitor has 2 hdmi inputs
2097 [13:41:10] <SirLagz> chemist: lol...was it loose?
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2100 [13:41:13] <foodev> aticonfig --query-monitor
2101 [13:41:14] <chemist> I put the cable in the other input
2102 [13:41:18] <chemist> now it works
2103 [13:41:21] <chemist> ?? :/
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2105 [13:41:38] <SirLagz> chemist: maybe the monitor didn't register it being plugged into the other input...or maybe it's not an input at all!
2106 [13:41:39] <chemist> Noone touched the cables or nothing... I still don't understand how could it stop working all of a sudden
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2108 [13:41:59] <SirLagz> chemist: "no one" touched the cables...
2109 [13:42:01] <chemist> SirLagz, I'm telling you...I'm the only one using this computer&monitor in office...
2110 [13:42:11] <foodev> replaced-url
2111 [13:42:16] <SirLagz> chemist: doesn't mean a cleaner didn't knock the cables out or something
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2113 [13:42:18] <chemist> It worked for like 6 months without any issues
2114 [13:42:24] <chemist> yeah...could be
2115 [13:42:32] <chemist> But i tried to unplug it
2116 [13:42:38] <chemist> and plug it back in, on both ends of the cable
2117 [13:42:45] <SirLagz> chemist: never know until you set up motion on a mini laptop and find out what goes on at your desk without you knowing lol
2118 [13:42:56] <chemist> hahah :)
2119 [13:42:58] <SirLagz> chemist: I've caught a cleaner going through my desk at work before
2120 [13:43:09] <foodev> " aticonfig --enable-monitor=STRING,STRING, where STRING can be: none, lvds, crt1, crt2, tv, tdms1, tdms2" to force whatever ports on
2121 [13:43:11] <SirLagz> was wondering why money kept disappearing from my desk.
2122 [13:43:21] <chemist> foodev, thank you for your support, the monitor is working now
2123 [13:43:31] <foodev> for future reference
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2125 [13:43:48] <chemist> SirLagz, nah, no worries ... The only valuable thing I got here is my E-Cigarette :P
2126 [13:43:56] <chemist> foodev, thank you very much
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2128 [13:44:02] <chemist> SirLagz, Thank you too
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2130 [13:44:12] <foodev> np that'll be 2 btc
2131 [13:44:13] <SirLagz> chemist: no problems
2132 [13:44:13] <grantwu> How do I install a kernel backport for Jessie that isn't the latest?
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2134 [13:44:25] <grantwu> I need something older than 4.7, ideally 4.6.7 or something
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2136 [13:44:39] <SirLagz> grantwu: you can force a certain version to be installed...I forget how though, google will tell you
2137 [13:44:43] <chemist> foodev, what about paypal? :D 100 €?
2138 [13:44:53] <SirLagz> chemist: I'd be happy with paypal! :P
2139 [13:45:00] <chemist> haha :P
2140 [13:45:09] <grantwu> SirLagz: Where can I find the list of versions?
2141 [13:45:17] <chemist> I can send you some e-liquids or e-cig mods for cheap ;)
2142 [13:45:26] <foodev> ill accept linden aswell
2143 [13:45:42] <SirLagz> chemist: lol, I've stopped e-cigging
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2145 [13:45:55] <SirLagz> grantwu: well if you know the version you want to install...
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2147 [13:46:15] <chemist> I'm working for a big company that sells to distributers
2148 [13:46:31] <SirLagz> chemist: heh nice
2149 [13:46:33] <grantwu> SirLagz: I mean... clearly Jessie doesn't backport every single kernel version
2150 [13:46:39] <chemist> and I got very good prices
2151 [13:47:11] <chemist> some of the stuff is being sold in stores for more than 200 % the price :D
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2155 [13:47:55] <chemist> SirLagz, yes I'm kind of lucky to work here, can vape premium e-liquids and change them on a daily basis without spending much ;)
2156 [13:47:57] <SirLagz> grantwu: apt-cache madison?
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2158 [13:48:03] <SirLagz> chemist: nice
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2160 [13:49:10] <chemist> Btw. I love debian ;)
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2166 [13:55:05] <SirLagz> emilsp: how are you installing Debian in the first place?
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2168 [13:56:07] <emilsp> I'm using a machine image with debian already installed, then I'll be using packer (basically boots up the image, runs my scripts and saves the machine image) to set it up
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2201 [14:13:58] <chemist> Bye everyone, thanks again for the help SirLagz, foodev.
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2203 [14:14:27] <SirLagz> chachasmooth: no probs
2204 [14:14:37] <SirLagz> chachasmooth: sorry, didn't mean to ping you
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2218 [14:18:39] <nickgaw> Hi, Is there a way to share a home directory between two users using the shell?
2219 [14:18:54] <SirLagz> nickgaw: why do you want to do that?
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2222 [14:19:49] <nickgaw> I have a build user that I use for compilation and I wish to be able to move files back and forth between the two directories my home directory and build's home directory without having to log out and back in.
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2224 [14:20:21] <bolt> nickgaw: bad idea, but you can use things like bindfs to remap owners and groups on a bind to the other user's home
2225 [14:20:30] <SirLagz> nickgaw: why not just put the source files into a directory both users can access?
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2227 [14:21:03] <osx> Is there a way to convert ufw rules into iptables rules?
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2229 [14:21:32] <nickgaw> What directory exists that I can use for both users to share files?
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2231 [14:21:57] <SirLagz> nickgaw: anything...you could use /usr/src/project and make project read/writable by both users for example
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2235 [14:22:37] <nickgaw> How do you do that without allowing other users able to modify the directory?
2236 [14:22:40] <missmbob> add both users to group project, for example. then chmod 775 or whatever you think is reasonable
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2262 [14:30:38] <avian> bolt, a follow up on that font rendering bug replaced-url
2263 [14:30:39] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2281 [14:36:49] <MikeDebian> hi all. I've debian 8 with gnome 3.14.0 and gnome-shell 3.14.4. I'm trying to install other themes. generally I can install the theme but the gnome-shell part never works properly. with some themes it slightly change the application/places panel etc but never how it is supposed to. is there any kind of known issue with this?
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2299 [14:39:26] <missmbob> if you select a new theme and then log out and back in does it change like it's supposed to?
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2307 [14:40:23] <MikeDebian> with the themes i've tried so far no, loging out and in doesn't change anything
2308 [14:41:45] <Mahe> MikeDebian: try looking for themes that explicitly state being compatible with 3.14
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2310 [14:42:02] <MikeDebian> Mahe, yes that's what i've been trying to do
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2312 [14:42:28] <bolt> avian: ooh. shiny. i'll follow that. thanks
2313 [14:43:09] <Mahe> MikeDebian: try "Ceti-2" or "Arc" by horst3180
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2316 [14:43:42] <Mahe> MikeDebian: btw, how are you setting the shell theme? via gnome-tweak-tool?
2317 [14:44:11] <MikeDebian> yes, that's right, via gnome-tweak
2318 [14:44:20] <MikeDebian> I'll try those
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2466 [14:45:35] <teknomanic> Hi guys
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2481 [14:46:03] <Mahe> MikeDebian: do you have the Gnome User Themes shell extensions installed and enabled?
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2485 [14:46:19] <MikeDebian> Mahe, yes I do
2486 [14:46:24] <Mahe> ok
2487 [14:46:24] <teknomanic> i installed debian on usb. When i boot i am not able to do startx
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2489 [14:46:40] <MikeDebian> I'll try something now. i'll be back
2490 [14:46:43] <teknomanic> i can see other terminals by ctrl+alt+f2
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2500 [14:48:20] <bolt> teknomanic: how are you not "able to do startx"?
2501 [14:48:32] <bolt> teknomanic: do you get any sort of a helpful error message when you try?
2502 [14:48:51] <teknomanic> gotta relog, brb
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2551 [14:53:13] <JyZyXEL> exim4 fails to start with this error message: gateway exim[30131]: 2016-10-24 15:52:38 Cannot open main log file "/var/log/exim4/mainlog": Permission denied: euid=100 egid=102
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2556 [14:54:09] <bolt> JyZyXEL: does that user have the appropriate permissions to open that file for writing?
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2558 [14:54:34] <JyZyXEL> bolt: -rw-r----- 1 Debian-exim adm 5 Oct 24 15:52 /var/log/exim4/mainlog
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2560 [14:55:35] <bolt> JyZyXEL: and the file system is rw, Debian-exim is uid 100 and /var/log/exim4 also has the appropriate permissions?
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2562 [14:56:15] <JyZyXEL> /etc/passwd: Debian-exim:x:100:102::/var/spool/exim4:/bin/false /etc/group: Debian-exim:x:102:
2563 [14:56:23] <JyZyXEL> and the filesystem is mounted rw
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2588 [14:57:50] <bolt> JyZyXEL: and /var/log/exim4?
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2591 [14:58:09] <JyZyXEL> bolt: drwxr-s--- 2 ftp adm 4.0K Oct 24 15:54 exim4
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2593 [14:58:17] <JyZyXEL> i have no idea why it is owned by ftp
2594 [14:58:23] <teraflops> ಠ_ಠ
2595 [14:58:31] <bolt> JyZyXEL: me neither, but I'd suggest changing it
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2598 [14:58:58] <JyZyXEL> "chown -R Debian-exim:adm /var/log/exim4"?
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2601 [14:59:12] <bolt> JyZyXEL: that's probably alright, yes
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2603 [14:59:47] <JyZyXEL> yesterday i restored this machine from a .tar backup so thats what must have broken it
2604 [14:59:51] <JyZyXEL> though i have no idea how
2605 [15:00:02] <jelly-home> JyZyXEL: you cloned parts or whole of this system from an older one with different uids and gis
2606 [15:00:06] <jelly-home> gids*
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2608 [15:00:41] <JyZyXEL> well it was just a 2 day old full backup of the rootfs
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2610 [15:01:01] <jelly-home> of the very same machine? Set up correct groups and users _before_ installing or restoring any other stuff
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2612 [15:01:28] <JyZyXEL> i don't understand what there is to set up?
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2615 [15:01:48] <JyZyXEL> i extracted the .tar on to another disk and thats pretty much it
2616 [15:01:51] <jelly-home> JyZyXEL: if restoring from a different live image, take care to restore _numerical_ uids and gids
2617 [15:02:14] <jelly-home> JyZyXEL: which OS did you have booted at restore time, a different one?
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2619 [15:02:48] <JyZyXEL> jelly-home: oh yeah, i did the un-tarring on my desktop machine
2620 [15:03:13] <jelly-home> that machine has a different numeric uid for Debian-exim user
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2622 [15:03:40] <JyZyXEL> o_o
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2624 [15:03:43] <jelly-home> Debian-exim is not hardcoded in policy, the user is generated at installation time
2625 [15:03:44] <bittin> Hello anyone know what can be wrong if a Debian box, won't get the correct static ip?
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2627 [15:03:57] <jelly-home> so uid and gid can vary
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2630 [15:04:40] <JyZyXEL> so basically i should've used "--numeric-owner" when un-tarring the backup?
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2632 [15:05:11] <jelly-home> yes
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2637 [15:06:27] <JyZyXEL> that is a huge pitfall
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2643 [15:07:02] <Sick> if I do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade Shouldn't that upgrade my kernel? If not, what could be going on?
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2645 [15:07:22] <TG_> is there a kernel upgrade available at this time?
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2647 [15:07:23] <missmbob> you dont have security in sources.list or it's already the latest
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2649 [15:07:51] <Sick> missmbob: hmmm yeah I have security in there... :/
2650 [15:07:59] <jelly-home> ,kernels
2651 [15:08:00] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.8-1); stretch: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.8-1); jessie-backports: 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.7.5-1~bpo8+2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.82-1)
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2657 [15:08:25] <missmbob> Sick: and uname -a says what?
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2663 [15:08:39] <jelly-home> Sick: dpkg -s linux-image-$(uname -r) will tell you the package version amonth other things
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2665 [15:08:48] <Sick> 2.6.32-6-pve #1 SMP Fri Nov 4 06:54:05 CET 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
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2668 [15:09:12] <missmbob> oh you're on one of those funny containers
2669 [15:09:18] <jelly-home> Sick: that looks like a container-based VPS. You don't have control of the kernel
2670 [15:09:24] <m-schlitzer> Sooo, I have to package a program at work and I'm so far that I get multiple .deb packages after using debuild, but, they all only contain the changelog and a readme
2671 [15:09:29] <Sick> ahhhh
2672 [15:09:37] <jelly-home> funny thing is, there are probably exploits to escape the container
2673 [15:09:40] <m-schlitzer> What could I do to make it work?
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2675 [15:09:41] <Sick> ok thanks guys. I appreciate the help.
2676 [15:09:49] <Sick> I'll ask my host admin
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2679 [15:10:41] <missmbob> doubt they'll do anything
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2685 [15:14:17] <palaxi0> sd
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2687 [15:14:55] <jelly-home> the 2011 vintage kernel does point in that direction
2688 [15:15:04] <cccc828> I have a strange problem, and wondered if anyone had any idea how to track it down: I run debian testing and with kernel 4.7 I can no longer connect to a projector via the VGA port of my laptop (connecting to a monitor works). If I boot kernel 4.5 it works. Does anyone have an idea how to track down the problem?
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2695 [15:19:38] <m-schlitzer> Also no one at work knows how to do it, which isn't helping me at all
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2697 [15:20:27] <Sick> jelly-home: thanks for your quick and kind response. :)
2698 [15:21:25] <bittin> solved the problems was some replaced-url
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2701 [15:22:29] <SmackMyBitchUp> Hello world! Since I updated my Jessie 8.5 old Kernel with the backported one (4+) ,I've been unable to get the wifi to work again on my Asus laptop. ifconfig sees my "wlan0" but in the wifi panel it says "no Networks", what gives?
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2716 [15:27:46] <greycat> dpkg, cmd: why is (.*?) not in testing =~ s#replaced-url
2717 [15:27:46] <dpkg> greycat: OK
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2722 [15:29:53] <idts> upgrade of x fails with some deps issues here is pastebin replaced-url
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2730 [15:33:44] <missmbob> greycat: is there a way to get a list of existing cmd's in dpkg?
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2732 [15:33:56] <greycat> dpkg, listkeys cmd:
2733 [15:33:57] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'cmd:' by key (13 of 969): #del# cmd: britsmite (.*?) ;; #del# cmd: clarice (.*?) ;; #del# cmd: disinfect (.*?) ;; #del# cmd: modprobe (.*?) ;; CMD: apostrophesmite (.*?) ;; CMD: chair (.*?) ;; CMD: die (.*?) ;; CMD: fucktest (.*?) ;; CMD: myskart (.*?) ;; CMD: speak french to (.*?) ;; CMD: tease (.*?) ;; CMD: testaaa (.*?) ;; CMD: why is (.*?) not in testing.
2734 [15:34:04] <greycat> I don't know how to get a full list.
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2737 [15:34:46] <CutMeOwnThroat> use the web interface
2738 [15:34:52] <jelly-home> ircbots.debian.net
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2740 [15:35:13] <jelly-home> !penixstrike CutMeOwnThroat
2741 [15:35:13] <dpkg> A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking CutMeOwnThroat to the ground and leaving a large wet spot.
2742 [15:35:21] <CutMeOwnThroat> right… was just looking it up, altzheimer's doesn't allow me to give it out immediately
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2745 [15:35:33] <CutMeOwnThroat> there's a factoid on it, too!
2746 [15:35:36] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, ircbot
2747 [15:35:36] <dpkg> CutMeOwnThroat: i haven't a clue
2748 [15:35:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> dammit!
2749 [15:35:44] <idts> why would a dist-upgrade cause xorg to wants perl4 while perl5 is to be installed
2750 [15:35:46] <jelly-home> dpkg: listvals ircbots
2751 [15:35:48] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, dpkgbot
2752 [15:35:48] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'ircbots' by value (9): judd ;; msg the bot ;; search dpkg ;; policy-rc.d ;; judd-file ;; source judd ;; judd-packages ;; judd-hardware ;; archive statistics.
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2754 [15:36:07] <jelly-home> CutMeOwnThroat: it helps if you already know the answer
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2756 [15:36:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> pff
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2758 [15:36:23] <idts> haha
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2762 [15:37:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> idts, wheezy?
2763 [15:37:13] <jelly-home> idts: perl4 hasn't been in Debians for more than a decade
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2765 [15:37:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> squeeze?
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2767 [15:37:39] <jelly-home> think "potato"
2768 [15:37:47] <idts> just a wheezy->jessie already done smooth just x
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2770 [15:38:10] <jelly-home> dpkg, tell idts about basic apt troubleshooting
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2775 [15:39:23] <idts> jelly-home> idts: perl4 hasn't been in Debians for more than a decade
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2779 [15:40:29] <idts> jelly-home:just did a dist-upgrade and just the xorg upgrade failed
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2784 [15:41:23] <jelly-home> idts: dpkg sent you a private message with some instructions. Read them carefully and provide ALL the info
2785 [15:41:34] <jelly-home> preferably in a single pastebin entry
2786 [15:41:48] <idts> jelly-home:trying to fix this got this replaced-url
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2790 [15:42:30] <idts> jelly-home:I got dpkg message but at this point it is not possible
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2793 [15:42:35] <missmbob> that's not ALL the info :P
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2797 [15:43:07] <idts> missmbob:that is all the info from a single command
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2799 [15:43:29] <jelly-home> idts: take screenshots with a camera phone or something
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2802 [15:44:07] <jelly-home> or redirect all the outputs to a file, put it on a usb stick, then upload it
2803 [15:44:15] <idts> jelly-home: hehe that is going over board
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2806 [15:44:29] <jelly-home> idts: ok. Well, good luck with your issue then
2807 [15:44:56] <jelly-home> next!
2808 [15:45:03] <idts> jelly-home: just want to run apt-get install libegl1-mesa
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2819 [15:46:52] <idts> jelly-home: replaced-url
2820 [15:46:53] <greycat> He's worried about *mesa* crap when he doesn't have working internet?!
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2823 [15:47:39] <idts> greycat:says who?
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2831 [15:50:22] <idts> jelly-home: greycat, this is somewhat similar to having circular deps issues due systems not upgraded for long long
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2836 [15:51:41] <greycat> ,v libglapi-mesa
2837 [15:51:42] <judd> Package: libglapi-mesa on amd64 -- wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 12.0.3-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 12.0.3-1; sid: 12.0.3-2
2838 [15:52:03] <greycat> you've got some kind of wheezyjessie frankendebian
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2840 [15:52:07] <jelly-home> I'm going to wait for the apt-cache policies.
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2842 [15:52:16] <idts> ah ok, have
2843 [15:52:17] <greycat> libglapi-mesa (= 8.0.5-3) but 10.3.2-1+deb8u1 is to be installed
2844 [15:52:24] <idts> yes
2845 [15:52:30] <jelly-home> greycat: that happens when you're doing a wheezy->jessie release upgrade, yes
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2848 [15:52:37] <greycat> has wheezy, but jessie "is to be installed". Frankendebian. Unfixable by me.
2849 [15:52:39] <idts> yes
2850 [15:52:47] <idts> no
2851 [15:52:58] <idts> jessie fully functional now
2852 [15:53:07] <idts> just xorg
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2854 [15:53:39] <jelly-home> in particular, apt-cache policy lsof libperl4-corelibs-perl perl xserver-xorg-input-evdev
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2857 [15:53:55] <idts> talking to you from jessie, and yes
2858 [15:53:57] <abique> Hi, how should be named a debian package with a release candidate version?
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2860 [15:54:11] <abique> my-pkg.1.3.19~rc2 ?
2861 [15:54:26] <jelly-home> abique: is it a native package?
2862 [15:54:44] <abique> jelly-home, what do you mean by native?
2863 [15:54:59] <idts> jelly-home: have perl5 installed which is also causing this issue
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2865 [15:55:02] <abique> I work at bitwig.com and I'm trying to fix the name of the .deb we give to our RCs
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2867 [15:56:01] <jelly-home> abique: is it a package for software made by your own company, or are you repackaging a build of someone else's sources?
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2870 [15:56:21] <abique> jelly-home, from our own code
2871 [15:56:27] <abique> It is not repackaging
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2874 [15:57:07] <jelly-home> abique: asking because 1.3.19~rc2 does not contain a debian revision number like 1.3.19~rc2-1, and that's only allowed for your own software
2875 [15:57:19] <idts> jelly-home: there is the policy replaced-url
2876 [15:57:42] <abique> jelly-home, ok so bitwig-studio-1.3.19~rc2-1.deb is the right name
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2880 [15:59:04] <jelly-home> abique: bitwig-studio_1.3.19~rc2-1_ARCHITECTUREHERE.deb and you don't have to name it manually
2881 [15:59:28] <abique> awesome :D
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2884 [15:59:32] <abique> many thanks jelly-home
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2887 [16:00:06] <jelly-home> your build process should probably be fixed if you don't get correct names right after dpkg-buildpackage/debuild
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2891 [16:01:07] <abique> jelly-home, yes that what I wanted to do
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2893 [16:01:26] <abique> but I needed to know how to name my version correctly so debian understands it
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2899 [16:04:45] <jelly-home> assuming you're building .deb from source, if you put the right thing in debian/control, the build process ought to generate .deb files with sane names
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2904 [16:05:53] <jelly-home> idts: huh, that looks mostly sane
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2908 [16:06:51] <jelly-home> idts: pastebin the rest of the info, then
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2910 [16:07:28] <idts> jelly-home: well now am confused, what rest info
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2913 [16:07:45] <jelly-home> idts: read carefully what dpkg told you.
2914 [16:08:00] <jelly-home> there are three items, you've done one and a half
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2918 [16:08:33] <jelly-home> still missing half of 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem
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2920 [16:08:37] <jelly-home> and 3. "apt-cache policy".
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2922 [16:08:55] <idts> jelly-home: ah yes replaced-url
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2929 [16:10:51] <idts> jelly-home: have no idea why 2. was truncated, are you sure
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2931 [16:11:41] <jelly-home> idts: it wasn't truncated, you just did not put in all the package names
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2933 [16:12:02] <jelly-home> only those that I mentioned
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2936 [16:12:59] <idts> ok, got it let me see
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2938 [16:14:58] <idts> jelly-home: this should do it then replaced-url
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2943 [16:16:34] <jelly-home> idts: and libgl1-mesa-glx ?
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2946 [16:17:17] <idts> jelly-home: ok replaced-url
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2987 [16:32:11] <halt> Hi, all I'm packaging up my own software ( just internal use ) into debs, and I can't find the right docs about cron file syntax, mainly what I'm interested is the user which that cron will be executed with
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2990 [16:33:04] <halt> mi h d m w user command ?
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2993 [16:33:41] <greycat> I don't know if it's the *correct* answer, but I would simply write something like su "$username" -c "crontab -l" > tmpfile && append to tmpfile && su "$username" -c "crontab tmpfile" in the postinst script.
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2995 [16:34:11] <jelly-home> halt: that's the syntax when your entries are put in a file in /etc/cron.d/, yes
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2998 [16:34:58] <jelly-home> halt: probably man 5 crontab
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3000 [16:35:11] <greycat> Ah, /etc/cron.d/ looks like a better solution for packages.
3001 [16:35:26] <greycat> the comment in /etc/crontab also shows the syntax
3002 [16:35:26] <halt> jelly-home: yes that's where it's goes thx for the confirmation, greycat: it's a long list so I prefer the file instead or postinstall script
3003 [16:35:58] <halt> thx both !
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3027 [16:42:43] <halt> and if I'm already here... let's drop in a hot topic ! what do you guys think about the little brothers idea of packaging ( yes I'm referring to Ubuntu and snap ) I mean it's a bit like replaced-url
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3048 [16:48:37] <bolt> halt: so the next time openssl hits the fan, i have to wait for an update from every single packager of something that uses openssl, instead of just patching my version of openssl. that sounds like fun.
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3050 [16:48:54] <greycat> that sounds like you aren't using stable
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3053 [16:49:15] <bolt> greycat: ?
3054 [16:49:41] <greycat> Well, it sounds like what happens when there is a Transition in testing or unstable.
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3056 [16:49:58] <bolt> greycat: just discussing the whole "snap" thing halt mentioned
3057 [16:50:02] <greycat> I have no idea what halt was saying. His message got truncated before he explained what he was talking about. Or he just assumed we would know somehow.
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3060 [16:50:39] <bolt> greycat: it's about the idea of every package including a copy of its own dependencies. and personally i think it's terrible
3061 [16:51:25] <greycat> So, like, 99% of the packages would include a full copy of libc? What? What possible advantages would this have?
3062 [16:52:06] <module000> greycat: well, it let's people install software that are unable to reason about or maintain dependencies...which from their point of view is "good", and everyone's else point of view is "fscking insane"
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3066 [16:52:46] <greycat> Oh, it's for letting everyone quickly and instantly convert their systems into frankendebians.
3067 [16:52:52] <module000> *exactly*
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3069 [16:53:03] <greycat> s/instantly/easily/
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3075 [16:54:30] <halt> bolt: the fact that you need more include is a disadvantage for sure, but the advantage is that they try to make every package installable on the same way on any system, don't get me wrong I would love if everyone start to use deb's as a main src of code so maintainer of an project like httpd or nginx can just create one package and done
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3078 [16:54:54] <greycat> halt: I think nobody in #debian will agree that this is a good idea.
3079 [16:55:12] <bolt> halt: they can. it just won't be accepted into the official repos
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3081 [16:55:43] <greycat> I suppose the people doing this would also be statically linking everything.
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3083 [16:55:59] <halt> greycat: fair enough, I did not expected anything else really I'm just curious
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3085 [16:56:18] <greycat> Still, this *breaks* eventually. E.g. when things moved from libc5 to libc6, the way name resolution was done changed (/etc/nsswitch.conf instead of the thing libc5 used), so even statically linked programs stop working.
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3101 [17:02:10] <monsterco> how everyone - I am doing "apt-get dist-upgrade" but my 8.6 is not upgrading to 8.8. Is that all I need to do to upgrade?
3102 [17:02:17] <greycat> what
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3104 [17:02:41] <greycat> 8.6 is the current point release of jessie. There is no 8.8.
3105 [17:02:48] <monsterco> oh ops
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3113 [17:08:25] <idts> jelly-home: no hints on a workaround yet... libglapi can not be upgraded with ease guess what a pain
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3136 [17:18:52] <monsterco> Is this the correct line for official debian distro in my sources list? deb replaced-url
3137 [17:19:01] <greycat> !jessie sources.list
3138 [17:19:01] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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3142 [17:22:18] <babilen> Debian really should make up their mind as to which URL they want to use for they CDN backed mirrors
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3146 [17:23:51] <greycat> But if they keep changing it every two months, they can trick more and more people into using httpredir!
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3148 [17:24:23] <babilen> httpredir has been/will be superseded by deb.debian.org
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3150 [17:24:23] <greycat> That's the goal, right? To make people's apt commands fail so they come here for support?
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3152 [17:24:29] <babilen> Maybe ..
3153 [17:24:33] <babilen> I'm no longer sure
3154 [17:24:46] <missmbob> why is deb taking over?
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3157 [17:25:04] <babilen> "better"
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3159 [17:25:32] <missmbob> it just looks wrong. like someone fucked with the factoid for fun
3160 [17:25:45] <babilen> replaced-url
3161 [17:26:11] <babilen> Not sure if it can be used with jessie's apt, tbh
3162 [17:26:11] <greycat> Deb deb debian... su su sussudio...
3163 [17:26:14] * TomTomTosch is waiting for the deb protocol :3
3164 [17:26:27] <greycat> babilen: huh? It's just a hostname.
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3167 [17:27:26] <babilen> It apparently does http redirects (like httpredir) for older apt versions
3168 [17:27:54] <greycat> I don't understand what you mean by apt versions.
3169 [17:27:58] <babilen> So in that it is providing better service for newer apt versions, while staying compatible with older versions for which it behaves like httpredir
3170 [17:28:05] <babilen> judd: v apt
3171 [17:28:07] <judd> Package: apt on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.9.8.3; stretch: 1.3.1; sid: 1.3.1
3172 [17:28:11] <babilen> greycat: ^
3173 [17:28:14] <greycat> What does that have to do with hostname resolution?
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3176 [17:28:47] <babilen> greycat: It appears as if newer apt versions make use of the SRV record
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3178 [17:29:02] <babilen> I literally just read that webpage
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3180 [17:29:49] <Jean24> Hello, I have a small issue with lftp (4.7.2, Debian Testing) I'm using "mirror -c -P4 --delete" to mirror a folder on my server to local. The folder on my server contains files starting with ~ (tilde) but lftp doesn't save them to local. Is it a bug or expected behaviour ? thanks for your help
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3182 [17:30:37] <greycat> "either because you use an older apt or because you use a HTTP proxy that does not support SRV records,"
3183 [17:31:02] <greycat> Gah. Now I'm supposed to learn what an SRV record is? And I'll just go right ahead and assume that my squid proxy doesn't handle them.
3184 [17:31:52] <greycat> Squid Cache: Version 2.7.STABLE9
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3189 [17:33:50] <missmbob> i dont understand. why would apt need srv records? what benefit is happening?
3190 [17:34:30] <greycat> Jean24: does it work in jessie's version?
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3200 [17:40:33] <monsterco> Is there any built-in debian tool that can allow me to do network analyse like ARP scan etc...? or must I use things like nmap?
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3202 [17:40:53] <greycat> nmap is a Debian package, no?
3203 [17:41:00] <bolt> what's wrong with nmap?
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3279 [18:08:45] <Jean24> greycat: same issue with stable unfortunately
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3305 [18:17:26] <Jean24> greycat: hmm sorry, no it was working fine with stable. The issue appeared when I upgraded to testing (and lftp 4.7.2 so)
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3314 [18:20:42] <maziar> i have 48 CPU core but tar is just using one of them, why ? how can i force it to use all of CPU's ?
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3318 [18:21:52] <module000> maziar: are you creating a compressed archive? if so, pipe tar into a compressor that can utilize multiple processes(like `pigz` in the case of gzip)
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3321 [18:22:44] <maziar> module000 yes, would you please tell me a full example ?
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3325 [18:23:04] <module000> maziar: tar cf /some/path | pigz > some_archive.tar.gz
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3327 [18:23:20] <module000> maziar: didn't mean to put the 'f' in 'cf', leave it out
3328 [18:23:52] <maziar> module000 let me test i
3329 [18:23:53] <maziar> it
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3355 [18:32:35] <module000> derp.
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3363 [18:35:46] <maziar> module000 it not work in mycase
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3365 [18:36:09] <maziar> tar cf underten.tar files/ | xz -e -9 underten.tar.xz
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3398 [18:49:51] <balor> Is package-0.0.1-a_all.deb > package-0.0.1_all.deb xor vice versa?
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3404 [18:52:27] <jelly-home> balor: use dpkg --compare-versions (rftm)
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3408 [18:54:49] <jelly-home> a=0.0.1-a; b=0.0.1; if dpkg --compare-version $a gt $b; then echo $a is larger than $b; else echo $a is not larger than $b; fi
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3411 [18:55:28] <jelly-home> fixing the typo may even make that work
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3422 [18:57:57] <linux50> Hello Everyone
3423 [18:58:14] <greycat> replaced-url
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3431 [19:01:31] <jelly-home> no exec, no "$@"
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3433 [19:02:00] <greycat> A shell script on a unix system? That has bugs? Newbie bugs? I am utterly shocked.
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3435 [19:02:26] <jelly-home> debian is not unix ;-)
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3459 [19:11:03] <linux50> Hello EVeryone. Using /etc/resolv.conf as an exmaple. How can I tell which package the /etc/resolv.conf file came from in debian? In RHEL it would be the equivalent of "rpm -qf /etc/resolv.conf"
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3461 [19:11:55] <greycat> resolv.conf does not come from a single source.
3462 [19:12:02] <linux50> okay
3463 [19:12:05] <linux50> using another example
3464 [19:12:09] <linux50> /etc/ntp.conf
3465 [19:12:11] <greycat> It's rewritten on the fly by any number of different things, primarily dhcp-client.
3466 [19:12:24] <greycat> the command you want *in general* is dpkg -S /pathname
3467 [19:12:31] <linux50> awesome
3468 [19:12:31] <linux50> ty
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3470 [19:14:15] <SerajewelKS> i thought resolvconf managed it and other things like dhclient fed resolvconf data
3471 [19:14:23] <SerajewelKS> (at least by default?)
3472 [19:14:32] <greycat> resolvconf is not installed by default AFAIK
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3474 [19:14:48] <greycat> ,popcon resolvconf
3475 [19:14:49] <judd> Popcon data for resolvconf: inst: 8107, vote: 5725, old: 2232, recent: 141, nofiles: 9
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3485 [19:18:36] <grantwu> I'm having some trouble downgrading my video drivers
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3490 [19:19:21] <greycat> !downgrade
3491 [19:19:21] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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3516 [19:30:32] <Kobaz> i'm having a problem with ntpd: 'rdate -n -p localhost'... and i get: rdate: Ignoring NTP server with alarm flag set
3517 [19:30:46] <Kobaz> ntpd is running, and i even have tos orphan 6 set
3518 [19:30:49] <greycat> why are you using rdate with ntpd?
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3520 [19:31:00] <NeedHLP> Hi all
3521 [19:31:09] <Kobaz> greycat: to check the status
3522 [19:31:18] <NeedHLP> why is it that everytime i am chosing lvm with luks encryption it messes up?
3523 [19:31:25] <greycat> Try ntptrace instead.
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3526 [19:31:40] <greycat> Or whatever the newfangled version of ntptrace is...
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3528 [19:32:05] <NeedHLP> i install debian on a USB with lvm and luks. First time i am able to boot into it. But the second time i when i restart the pc i cannot boot into it.
3529 [19:32:09] <veek> why does debian hang/pause for a long time on 'Unattended upgrades' i don't have autoupdate enabled
3530 [19:32:33] <Kobaz> # ntptrace ip6-localhost: stratum 16, offset 0.000000, synch distance 0.000000
3531 [19:32:38] <NeedHLP> why does that happen. I just tried it without the luks, where there is only lvm on the usb. THen it works fine and i can boot everytime from it
3532 [19:32:56] <greycat> Kobaz: did you just restart ntpd quite recently?
3533 [19:33:12] <Kobaz> recently as of, saturday 6pm
3534 [19:33:15] <bolt> Can someone explain for me the example in "man 8 pam_localuser"? it has pam_localuser listed as "sufficient", followed by pam_wheel as "required". It explains that this provides restrictions requireing both a local user, and a wheel user. However, the documentation seems to suggest that once a "sufficient" module succeeds, no other modules are consulted, so I don't see how the wheel module is enforced if the user is local...
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3537 [19:33:25] <NeedHLP> can someone pls help me
3538 [19:33:36] <Kobaz> i always have this problem with ntpd, it's generally in alarm mode
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3541 [19:33:38] <greycat> Kobaz: hmm, then something is wrong indeed.
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3545 [19:33:57] <greycat> I have no idea what alarm mode is, but your stratum should be like 4 or so.
3546 [19:34:06] <Kobaz> so, usually what i do, is rdate from like clock.nist.gov, start ntpd with tos orphan mode, so that clients trust the ntp time
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3550 [19:34:33] <greycat> I don't know what all this stuff is that you're doing. You just need to find out why ntpd is not working correctly, and then *let it run*.
3551 [19:34:39] <Kobaz> alarm means it doesn't think its in sync
3552 [19:34:48] <greycat> The stratum 16 also means that, but OK.
3553 [19:35:01] <greycat> Are you firewalled? Can't reach your ntp servers?
3554 [19:35:13] <Kobaz> greycat: i know. In theory ntp should sync and then the clients sync to it
3555 [19:35:17] <grantwu> replaced-url
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3558 [19:35:39] <Kobaz> # rdate -n -p 0.debian.pool.ntp.org Mon Oct 24 13:35:30 EDT 2016
3559 [19:35:44] <Kobaz> yes, i can reach the ntp servers
3560 [19:36:01] <greycat> Does rdate use the same protocol (port number) as NTP?
3561 [19:36:10] <Kobaz> yes, if you use -n
3562 [19:36:15] <Kobaz> -n is NTP
3563 [19:36:24] <Kobaz> -n Use SNTP (RFC 2030) instead of the RFC 868 time protocol.
3564 [19:36:55] <__raven__> how to shrink an encrypted system hdd without loosing the system?
3565 [19:36:59] <greycat> So, find the ntp logs (/var/log/daemon.* or something) and see what's breaking.
3566 [19:37:05] <Elronnd> when ssh asks me for a password for my privkey, it now opens up a gnome window
3567 [19:37:06] <Kobaz> greycat: nothing according to the logs
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3571 [19:37:37] <Elronnd> also, even if I ssh-add, it still asks me for a password
3572 [19:37:38] <SerajewelKS> Elronnd: gnome's keyring set itself up as your ssh agent, it sounds like
3573 [19:37:41] <Kobaz> greycat: Oct 24 13:29:47 acs ntpd[6435]: Listen normally Oct 24 13:29:47 acs ntpd[6435]: peers refreshed
3574 [19:37:58] <greycat> No lines after that?
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3577 [19:38:04] <Elronnd> but what changed? I didn't do anything
3578 [19:38:08] <Kobaz> greycat: that's it
3579 [19:38:15] <Elronnd> __raven__: I don't think you can
3580 [19:38:16] <SerajewelKS> Elronnd: did you install or update any packages?
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3582 [19:38:45] <SerajewelKS> __raven__: usually you have to duplicate the system to another disk, wipe your disk, then rebuild it to be the size you want
3583 [19:38:51] <Elronnd> I updated recently, that could be it
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3586 [19:39:19] <Elronnd> how do I stop this?
3587 [19:39:29] <NeedHLP> i guess im on my own
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3589 [19:39:37] <__raven__> SerajewelKS Elronnd replaced-url
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3591 [19:39:45] <SerajewelKS> Elronnd: gnome has a habit of weirdly changing things during updates. someone was in here yesterday talking about how the sort order of gtk file chooser dialogs suddenly changed from folders-first to truly alphabetical (folders mixed with files).
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3602 [19:45:14] <ipx> What can cause dconf-service and gvfsd-* to spawn themselves?
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3606 [19:47:49] <veek> should i file a bugreport for the 'Unattended upgrade' hanging thing - under systemd?
3607 [19:48:13] <veek> it just pauses after that message and then i see some stuff about usb after a long wait
3608 [19:48:34] <Kobaz> greycat: the biggest issue is i can't spend hours debugging this :(
3609 [19:48:34] <veek> i'm on jessie and bugreport says there's a new version in stretch
3610 [19:48:42] <veek> 231-9
3611 [19:49:03] <Kobaz> greycat: i just swapped out ntpd for chrony, and now i have a working local time server
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3670 [20:14:27] <Frogg_> Hi all, i am trying to set a multiboot with syslinux containing a debian installer (jessie : debian-8.6.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso), i am getting some troubles with file that are not shown on the CDrom: "Incorrect CD-ROM detected. The CD-ROM drive contains a CD which cannot be used for installation"
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3673 [20:14:54] <Frogg_> I tried lot of configuration without success, any one got an idea how can i solve the trouble ?
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3676 [20:15:20] <cruncher> Frogg_, did you check the md5sum of the iso?
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3680 [20:15:42] <cruncher> or better sha256 if its the dvd
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3683 [20:15:54] <Frogg_> i tested for example the paramaters live-media-path, ignore_uuid,cdrom-detect/try-usb=true and a mix of some other, without success
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3688 [20:16:13] <Frogg_> the iso works well, in PXE with syslinux works fine
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3690 [20:16:19] <Frogg_> with the command :
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3692 [20:16:29] <Frogg_> APPEND root=/dev/nfs debian-installer/language=fr console-setup/layoutcode=fr boot=install netboot=nfs nfsroot=192.168.0.2:/debianx64 splash
3693 [20:17:24] <cruncher> Frogg_, dont think it works, check it better.. and it is sha1, not sha256 as i mentioned before
3694 [20:17:37] <cruncher> just to be sure
3695 [20:18:52] <somiaj> Frogg_: the debian iso's are very hybrid (both usb and cdrom bootable along with both efi and legacy bootable) -- as such they may require a bunch of extra work to get them bootable from a multiboot iso setup. I'm unsure on the details but maybe #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net may have some advise about how to correctly get the installer/live system to boot.
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3697 [20:19:40] <Frogg_> thanks i didn't know this channel, i am going to have a look
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3751 [20:38:14] <Frogg_> @cruncher you are right, i tested it more than start install script, it seems not working too with same trouble, thanks, i will check about it
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3823 [21:01:50] <Chr|s> Trying to get pepperflash installed so I am able to use it on Chromium. I installed it according to the wiki, but still no pepperflash in plugins
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3833 [21:05:23] <somiaj> Chr|s: the script is curretnly broken. Check the bugreports. I think there is a patch/fix for the script there
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3835 [21:05:41] <somiaj> Chr|s: i.e. the script needs to extract the plugin from goggle-chrome and download it.
3836 [21:05:42] <Chr|s> somiaj, ahh ok
3837 [21:05:48] <Chr|s> thanks
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3886 [21:19:39] <TennPornoFree> у меня на виндовс есть галочка ... управления любым прибором нажал и пиздец униксу и любой другой системе )) с кем поделиться
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3897 [21:21:45] <cruncher> !ru
3898 [21:21:45] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
3899 [21:22:30] <greycat> I'm guessing the "PornoFree" part of his nick is justification enough for the ban, even though I have no idea what he said.
3900 [21:23:24] <bolt> no love for my PAM question?
3901 [21:23:28] <cruncher> greycat, yes, what he said justifies a ban :)
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3903 [21:24:03] <cruncher> *also
3904 [21:24:11] <debian92> Debian testing can be rolling release?
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3907 [21:25:26] <cruncher> debian92, rolling release in the traditional meaning, no, but you can have testing instead of stretch in the sources.list, that gives some users a rolling release feeling
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3909 [21:25:55] <Chr|s> somiaj, it looks like it has been fixed hmm
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3911 [21:26:39] <somiaj> cruncher: I would not suggest having 'testing' in ones sources.list in any situation. stretch is fine (after stretch freezes testing can be very broken and one shoudln't just upgrade accidently to testing during that phase)
3912 [21:26:51] <somiaj> Chr|s: it has been broken and fixed multiple times. I think the current state is broken again.
3913 [21:26:57] <debian92> So if I am use testing jessie for now, I should type apt-get upgrade?
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3915 [21:27:20] <somiaj> debian92: don't mix testing and jessie. Use either jessie or use stretch, don't use a mix
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3918 [21:27:46] <cruncher> somiaj, never said its wise, just answered regarding to his question
3919 [21:28:15] <nickgaw> Hi, I have installed the deb-multimedia.org repository what tool exists to play mp4 or wmv files in the console or to play just the audio from such files using the console?
3920 [21:28:16] <cruncher> debian92, but do not mistake it, it is not a rolling release at all
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3922 [21:28:28] <greycat> !dmm
3923 [21:28:28] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
3924 [21:28:54] <debian92> Can I update or upgrade debian testing for the next release?
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3926 [21:29:27] <greycat> !debian-next
3927 [21:29:28] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
3928 [21:30:06] <nickgaw> ok so what packages exist for playing mp4 or wmv files on the console or just the audio for these formats as so far I have not installed any packages from this repository?
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3930 [21:30:37] <greycat> mplayer will definitely suffice, but I only use the mplayer from jessie, NOT from dmm.
3931 [21:31:11] <nickgaw> ok will it work on the console or does it require X windows?
3932 [21:31:36] <greycat> "Question?" "Answer." "Answer?" *silence*
3933 [21:31:43] <keltim> nickgaw, there's many such apps, esp for audio. apt-cache search is yr friend
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3935 [21:32:09] <th0r> nickgaw, sox contains a cli program 'play'...along with a ton of other things
3936 [21:32:22] <greycat> sox/play is only for .wav files, right?
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3938 [21:32:41] <th0r> greycat, I thought it would handle others as well...but you may be right
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3940 [21:32:51] <greycat> I don't have it installed at the moment.
3941 [21:33:55] <CuteMeOwnThroat> sox reads the "most popular formats"
3942 [21:34:03] <keltim> there's mplayer, mpg321, moc, adplay, mp3blaster ... dozens more
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3949 [21:35:16] <th0r> greycat, only have a few to choose from....sox will play .ogg files
3950 [21:35:31] <CuteMeOwnThroat> try it and see
3951 [21:36:36] <CuteMeOwnThroat> I'd still go with mplayer *shrug*
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3955 [21:37:44] <keltim> it's probably the best one
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3961 [21:39:57] <cruncher> sox will play mp3 only after you install the mp3 handler (libsox-fmt-mp3)
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3964 [21:42:10] <CuteMeOwnThroat> why one would use an army knife to listen to music is still undtermined, though :P
3965 [21:42:15] <nickgaw> mplayer on the console told me failed to initialize the video filters does it not work in the console or just X windows?
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3968 [21:42:36] <greycat> It WILL WORK on a pure console. If you pass it an audio file with no video, or if you tell it not to play video.
3969 [21:42:42] <cruncher> CuteMeOwnThroat :D
3970 [21:42:45] <CuteMeOwnThroat> it cannot play video without something to play a video on. duh.
3971 [21:43:11] <nickgaw> what option will just play the audio from the video?
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3973 [21:43:15] <CuteMeOwnThroat> spoiler: it also cannot play audio without an audio sink
3974 [21:43:17] <nkuttler> or you could use the framebuffer driver or libaa/caca
3975 [21:43:18] <greycat> 15:30 nickgaw> ok so what packages exist for playing mp4 or wmv files on the console or just the audio for these formats [...]
3976 [21:43:42] <greycat> Ask #mplayer how to play JUST the audio parts of an audio/video file.
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3978 [21:43:47] <greycat> Or read man mplayer.
3979 [21:44:00] <nickgaw> ok
3980 [21:44:07] <nkuttler> nickgaw: -vo help
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3982 [21:44:31] <CuteMeOwnThroat> mplayer -vo null x.mp4
3983 [21:45:02] <CuteMeOwnThroat> if there's really no display at all to chose from it'll probably just play sound anyway
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3985 [21:45:58] <greycat> Then again, he's also got a dmm version so who knows how they broke that.
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3987 [21:46:40] <nkuttler> i thought mpv is the future anyway
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3989 [21:46:59] <christy> Hello
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3991 [21:47:06] <nickgaw> the -novideo option worked.
3992 [21:47:28] <christy> I've an app that has its output channeled on localhost:8080
3993 [21:47:38] <christy> How can I allow remote connection to that adress ?
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3995 [21:48:00] <nkuttler> christy: make it bind to an external ip
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3997 [21:48:23] <greycat> "channeled on" is a very odd phrase.
3998 [21:48:32] <christy> Yeah sorry for my english :P
3999 [21:48:58] <greycat> Is the app *listening* on localhost:8080? Is something else (a client) connecting to localhost:8080 to retrieve the data?
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4001 [21:50:03] <christy> The app is listening on localhost:8080 yeah.
4002 [21:50:14] <dean> Hi all, anyone having an issue with importing keys in gnupg 2.1.15-4? It just hangs.
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4004 [21:50:30] <greycat> Tell the app to listen on 0.0.0.0:8080 instead.
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4009 [21:50:58] <nkuttler> !tell dean about debian-next
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4011 [21:51:21] <afernandez_> hello, i sthere a command that show me the time the server was ofline between reboots?
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4013 [21:51:46] <christy> Will I be able to access it through <ipv4 machine adress>:8080 from any other machine ?
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4015 [21:51:52] <keltim> afernandez_, last
4016 [21:52:01] <greycat> christy: if it's listening on 0.0.0.0 (aka *), yes.
4017 [21:52:13] <nkuttler> afernandez_: do you mean when the interfaces were brought down/up again?
4018 [21:52:18] <afernandez_> Thank you keltim
4019 [21:52:21] <CuteMeOwnThroat> and if it's not behind a NAT or somesuch
4020 [21:52:41] <christy> Will the effect be the same if I replace 0.0.0.0 by the actual ipv4
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4022 [21:53:02] <greycat> If you bind to a specific IP address then it won't listen to localhost (loopback) any more, so that may NOT be fine.
4023 [21:53:20] <afernandez_> No, nkuttler suppose i shut down the server now and i come back in 2 hours to boot it again where can i see that info that th server was down for 2 hours?
4024 [21:53:54] <afernandez_> I dont think last is what i am looking for
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4029 [21:54:29] <greycat> afernandez_: there really isn't any way to know when your machine was powered off, because by definition it's not DOING anything (writing a log) during that time.
4030 [21:54:42] <th0r> I wonder if inverting uptime would give you downtime :)
4031 [21:54:44] <greycat> afernandez_: the best you can do is find the LAST moment it did something (wrote a log, etc.)
4032 [21:54:56] <figiel> afernandez_: you can take a look at journactl --list-boots output.
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4034 [21:55:24] <christy> greycat: Perfect. I'll keep you updated
4035 [21:55:40] <afernandez_> Thank you guys
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4052 [22:03:33] <hassoon> anyone knows of some piece of software allowing one to make a moving avatar around the screen out of an animated gif image ?
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4054 [22:03:44] <hassoon> for example i want that image to move around the screen replaced-url
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4057 [22:04:01] <hassoon> can't really be so specific with google and google this up
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4061 [22:05:04] <greycat> like xroach but with a custom image...?
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4063 [22:05:17] <greycat> (No, I don't know an answer.)
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4065 [22:05:46] <hassoon> greycat: can't find xroach in the repositories
4066 [22:05:50] <hassoon> what about it :o
4067 [22:06:12] <greycat> Oh, man. xroach isn't packaged? :(
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4070 [22:06:49] <CuteMeOwnThroat> must be
4071 [22:07:13] <hassoon> greycat: yep apt-cache search xroach returns nothing
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4074 [22:07:18] <greycat> judd, file bin/xroach
4075 [22:07:22] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
4076 [22:07:24] <CuteMeOwnThroat> hm, no, but xsnow is
4077 [22:07:44] <r00tobo> guys, is there anyway to commit the patched kernel without restarting?
4078 [22:07:53] <Hello71> kexec.
4079 [22:07:58] <hassoon> greycat: you mean that moving-cat avatar software ?
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4081 [22:08:18] <greycat> here's a description: replaced-url
4082 [22:08:19] <r00tobo> I got the new patched kernel, does that require a reboot?
4083 [22:08:28] <Hello71> are you going to keep asking
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4085 [22:08:48] <afernandez_> ha ha ha ha !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4086 [22:08:56] <r00tobo> someone told me that I have to reboot... Hello71 sorry this is my last question
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4090 [22:10:52] <CuteMeOwnThroat> but what bit about "reboot" is unclear?
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4092 [22:11:06] <bezaban> r00tobo: yes.
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4094 [22:11:33] <bezaban> Hello71: you're not helping
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4096 [22:11:52] <Hello71> [20:07:53] < Hello71> kexec.
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4098 [22:11:57] <Hello71> technically not reboot
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4100 [22:12:08] <CuteMeOwnThroat> and in fact not even enabled
4101 [22:12:12] <CuteMeOwnThroat> dpkg, kexec
4102 [22:12:13] <dpkg> kexec allows the system to load a kernel from a running kernel and boot into it, skipping the BIOS and bootloader stage of a reboot. To disable, «dpkg-reconfigure kexec-tools» or uninstall with «apt-get remove kexec-tools». To skip using kexec once: «/sbin/coldreboot». kexec is not enabled by default since kexec-tools 1:2.0.3-2.
4103 [22:12:45] <christy> greycat: Do you know anything about Google App Engine for Python ? By default an app using it is listening on localhost:8080 but I don't see the file able to modify this address to 0.0.0.0:8080
4104 [22:12:48] <hassoon> greycat: it's pretty doable in KDE using the Picture widget, but i'm on i3 and i thought of doing it here
4105 [22:12:54] <CuteMeOwnThroat> and in praxis not any useful difference from a reboot, except in some rare corner cases
4106 [22:12:57] * hassoon switches to KDE anyway
4107 [22:12:58] <hassoon> :D
4108 [22:12:59] <Hello71> I'm pretty sure that's about *automatically* using kexec.
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4110 [22:13:46] <figiel> hassoon: using what's available in Debian or some 3rd party packages, if may I ask?
4111 [22:13:58] <CuteMeOwnThroat> maybe
4112 [22:14:07] <figiel> I wonder what's the best user experience available with Debian.
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4116 [22:14:49] <bezaban> figiel: that is highly subjective, have you tried kde and gnome?
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4121 [22:15:38] <hassoon> figiel: ultimately what's available in debian
4122 [22:15:41] <hassoon> :D
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4125 [22:15:49] <CuteMeOwnThroat> figiel, install it on hardware that can be fully run with open source sw, stick with stable and don't use any crappy packages from outside… (and only a few if any backports) … spend 2 years without any work, upgrade without problems to next version
4126 [22:15:50] <greycat> Every user is different. Use whatever you like.
4127 [22:15:58] <CuteMeOwnThroat> :D
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4129 [22:16:19] <hassoon> figiel: i feel like i'm disrespecting Debian if use some external 3rd party software
4130 [22:16:23] <figiel> CuteMeOwnThroat: yeah that's the approach I took.
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4134 [22:17:01] <figiel> But when looking at the kde.org I get impression that if I use KDE I'd be somehow behind
4135 [22:17:14] <figiel> what's available out there. It's tempting to just try new plasma out.
4136 [22:17:15] <greycat> third party *packages* should be used with extreme caution, but third party *software* in general, which is not packaged as a .deb, is usually fine
4137 [22:17:54] <hassoon> greycat: well..software is a mere package file anyway :D
4138 [22:17:59] <hassoon> before it gets installed
4139 [22:18:03] <figiel> (overall I'm sitting with LXDE for quite a while now ;-) but have a feeling that I'm missing something out ;] and it's probably not how Debian is meant to be used)
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4141 [22:18:21] <greycat> Debian is not "meant" to be anything. It's up to you to make it how you like it.
4142 [22:18:32] <greycat> I use fvwm. Some people use GNOME, some use KDE, some use i3, etc.
4143 [22:18:40] <hassoon> and meh, kde's picture widget shows up a fixed .gif image, rather than an animated one
4144 [22:18:46] <cluelessperson> hey guys, how do I set DPKG to log verbosely?
4145 [22:18:58] <cluelessperson> we have a problem at work and dpkg seems to be the dead end right now
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4149 [22:20:10] <r00tobo> Ok, thank you Hello71 ;)
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4153 [22:21:15] <cluelessperson> hello?
4154 [22:21:22] <CuteMeOwnThroat> cluelessperson, what is the problem? ( dpkg -Dh for debug help )
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4157 [22:22:56] <cluelessperson> CuteMeOwnThroat, I need to modify /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cnf to have a default verbose mode, but I can't find any reference for it.
4158 [22:23:22] <greycat> What verbose mode? What do you expect it to DO? What information are you MISSING right now? What problem are you trying to SOLVE?
4159 [22:23:28] <cluelessperson> it's probably "debug 400"
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4161 [22:23:48] <cluelessperson> greycat, dpkg hangs for 10 minutes while installing a work built package, and I need to know why.
4162 [22:23:56] <greycat> strace -f
4163 [22:24:02] <cluelessperson> greycat, what is that?
4164 [22:24:24] <greycat> strace -f -o /tmp/reallybiglog dpkg -i foobar.deb
4165 [22:24:25] <CuteMeOwnThroat> strace -f dpkg -i yourpackage-deb
4166 [22:24:35] <cluelessperson> What does that do?
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4168 [22:24:39] <greycat> man strace
4169 [22:25:23] <cluelessperson> greycat, the problem here is that the installation is handled by FAI (fully automatic installation), and it handles a BUNCH of things at a time
4170 [22:25:37] <greycat> So edit the fuckers.
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4174 [22:26:09] <greycat> If you're convinced you know WHICH package it's taking a lot of time on, you can put debugging stuff into its preinst, postinst, etc. scripts.
4175 [22:26:34] <greycat> If nothing else, just knowing *which* script has been launched at what moment of time is helpful.
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4184 [22:29:32] <CuteMeOwnThroat> surely you must have a test system where you can run the install interactively?
4185 [22:29:43] <cluelessperson> CuteMeOwnThroat, it doesn't appear there.
4186 [22:29:50] <cluelessperson> it seems to be environmental
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4190 [22:30:58] <cluelessperson> strace -f fai -N softupdate | tee log_everything
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4192 [22:31:30] <greycat> You really want strace -o /tmp/something
4193 [22:31:44] <greycat> No sense clogging up the screen with that stuff.
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4197 [22:32:56] <cluelessperson> greycat, So what would be displayed on screen? waiting 20 minutes for the cursor to move?
4198 [22:33:13] <`Kevin> dig through the file while its writing
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4200 [22:33:20] <greycat> Have you not ever run strace before? Try this: strace sleep 1
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4202 [22:33:48] <cluelessperson> greycat, that's a WHOLE lot of output.
4203 [22:34:01] <CuteMeOwnThroat> yeah
4204 [22:34:07] <greycat> Yes. You can also filter it, but for starters it's helpful to see a lot.
4205 [22:34:27] <cluelessperson> greycat, That's.. too much output, can we reduce it down a bit?
4206 [22:34:43] <CuteMeOwnThroat> you want to see what it prints while it hangs
4207 [22:34:48] <CuteMeOwnThroat> then you can select
4208 [22:35:03] <cluelessperson> I see.
4209 [22:35:04] <`Kevin> for strace id also suggest using -tt to get an idea of time spent but yes please look over the man page as previously stated
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4217 [22:40:11] <cluelessperson> strace is telling me command not found
4218 [22:41:23] <greycat> Install it.
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4221 [22:42:15] <cluelessperson> greycat, I mean, it's saying the command I'm trying to run through it is not found.
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4223 [22:42:36] <cluelessperson> strace "/usr/sbin/fai -N softupdate" returns command not found.
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4225 [22:42:44] <greycat> STOP QUOTING IT
4226 [22:42:57] <Hello71> lol
4227 [22:42:59] <cluelessperson> it's an argument, no quote?
4228 [22:43:04] <greycat> ~$ "/bin/ls /etc"
4229 [22:43:04] <greycat> bash: /bin/ls /etc: No such file or directory
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4232 [22:43:38] <Hello71> heh, took me a while to figure out why it's "No such file or directory" instead of "command not found"
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4234 [22:44:23] <cluelessperson> strace -tt -f -o log_everything fai -N softupdate
4235 [22:44:36] <cluelessperson> there is nothing inside the file log_everything
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4238 [22:46:33] <cluelessperson> greycat, nothing is being output to the log file?
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4242 [22:47:39] <cluelessperson> nevermind, my coworker changed something, found it
4243 [22:47:40] <cluelessperson> christ
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4248 [22:50:39] <cluelessperson> greycat, Thanks for the help.
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4271 [22:59:56] <cluelessperson> greycat, the test server is inaccessible once users log out now, weird
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4297 [23:07:53] <bolt> Someone must know this... the manual for pam_localuser has an example using the module with the "sufficient" control, however the manual for pam.d states that "A failure of a sufficient module is ignored and processing of the PAM module stack continues unaffected.". So how does that example enforce local users as it says?
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4304 [23:10:57] <jhutchins_wk> bolt: What it means is that if localuser modue does not return autorization, other methods will be tried.
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4306 [23:13:00] <jhutchins_wk> If it succeeds, no further authorization is required.
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4308 [23:15:04] <bolt> jhutchins_wk: so the example is broken? "Add the following line to /etc/pam.d/su to allow only local users in group wheel to use su." => "account sufficient pam_localuser.so" "account required pam_wheel.so"
4309 [23:15:28] <bolt> jhutchins_wk: this looks like it will perfectly well accept local users that aren't in the wheel group
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4311 [23:16:07] <jhutchins_wk> bolt: That says "required", not "sufficient".
4312 [23:16:29] <bolt> jhutchins_wk: pam_localuser says sufficient
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4314 [23:16:51] <jhutchins_wk> right, and it goes on to check pam_wheel, which says "restrict access to su".
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4317 [23:17:19] <jhutchins_wk> So localusers can log in, but only wheel member can use su.
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4322 [23:17:50] <jhutchins_wk> bolt: Also: try it and see what it does.
4323 [23:18:00] <bolt> jhutchins_wk: i am confused... the way i read this, if a non-local user attempts this, localuser will fail, but it will proceed and find the user is in wheel, and succeed
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4325 [23:18:50] <bolt> also, "sufficient" is supposed to return immediately, so you shouldn't have to be in wheel if you're local
4326 [23:18:57] <jhutchins_wk> bolt: It's possible for someone to not be a localuser but have su privileges if there is another auth mechanism.
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4331 [23:19:44] <jhutchins_wk> bolt: The explanation is a little deeper than I can make here, but different modules do different things, as do diiferent config files.
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4334 [23:20:54] <tryoo> hey
4335 [23:21:20] <bolt> jhutchins_wk: it's just confusing when the documentation says "sufficient" will "returns success to the application or to the superior PAM stack immediately without calling any further modules in the stack", that is will still somehow check the wheel module
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4337 [23:21:37] <bolt> so that's only true in some cases, then
4338 [23:21:45] * bolt tries reading some more...
4339 [23:22:02] <tryoo> I wanna re-qualify from python programmer to linux sysadmin (in the nearest future). I got some basic linux/bash skills, however I'd like to widen my knowledge. Could you recmmmend me any good book/online tutorial/whatever related to linux sysadmin?
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4341 [23:22:16] <jhutchins_wk> bolt: It sets auth to success, but still checks other privileges. It does not do further auth checks.
4342 [23:22:47] <jhutchins_wk> bolt: Yes, definitely more reading if you want to understand pam, my explanations may contain errors.
4343 [23:23:08] <jhutchins_wk> bolt: It's been a couple of years since I last dug around in pam.
4344 [23:23:08] <bolt> jhutchins_wk: thanks :)
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4349 [23:23:55] <jhutchins_wk> bolt: I believe we were securing sftp users from logging in, and the methodology changed.
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4360 [23:29:25] <CuteMeOwnThroat> bolt, if you try that example out, say what you got… it feels like I come in contact with pam about every decade or so and then find it confusing as well… I think it's probably not really so difficult, just needs some getting used to (which doesn't help if you need to deal with it only every 1-2 years)
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4372 [23:33:38] <CuteMeOwnThroat> tryoo, not really, if you aren't much more specific… debian has its own docs… maybe have a look around replaced-url
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4375 [23:33:59] <CuteMeOwnThroat> possibly Administrator's Handbook or the Debian Reference
4376 [23:34:11] <tryoo> CuteMeOwnThroat: well, the main problems is that I'm not sure what would fit for sysadmin position
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4379 [23:35:22] <tryoo> CuteMeOwnThroat: do you mean this one: replaced-url
4380 [23:35:41] <CuteMeOwnThroat> part of what I do now is this… but I just used linux on a desktop for 15 years, did this, read that man-page, googled that… stuff just accumulates.
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4382 [23:36:21] <tryoo> yeah, but I'm not sure what to google. Which tasks should I focus on in the sysadmin field?
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4384 [23:36:44] <CuteMeOwnThroat> You can probably do a lot of any needed scripting stuff very well in python.
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4387 [23:37:14] <tryoo> yeah, I guess so, but still I wanna improve my linux/bash knowledge
4388 [23:37:27] <bolt> CuteMeOwnThroat: i will. your name got a whole lot cuter lately, btw :)
4389 [23:37:41] <CuteMeOwnThroat> bolt, yeah… I get cute on netsplits
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4393 [23:38:54] <CuteMeOwnThroat> tryoo, well… probably debugging in the most general sense of the word
4394 [23:40:00] <CuteMeOwnThroat> tryoo, maybe have a look at common bash scripting mistakes on replaced-url
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4396 [23:40:17] <tryoo> I'm already familiar with this link :)
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4399 [23:42:51] <CuteMeOwnThroat> if you understand everything that's said there (i.e why things fail), I don't know if there's so much more to read… nothing a short search in man bash cannot answer?
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4406 [23:44:38] <tryoo> CuteMeOwnThroat: I have 0 syadmin experience and I guess, that sysadmin is not all about bash, right? Like I have no idea what should I expect while working as sysadmin
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4411 [23:45:58] <CuteMeOwnThroat> yeah, but if it's as general and unspecific as this, the answer probably is "seeing problems, figuring out what causes them and fixing them" :P
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4416 [23:46:57] <tryoo> yeah, then I probably should have asked: is there any recommended excercises for wanna-be sysadmins, to see, if I see problems and find a way to fix ghem :)
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4418 [23:47:00] <tryoo> *them
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4421 [23:47:48] <CuteMeOwnThroat> heh
4422 [23:47:52] <CuteMeOwnThroat> sure… run sid :P
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4426 [23:48:41] <jhutchins_wk> tryoo: The Linux System Administrator's Guide is an excellent general resource: replaced-url
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4428 [23:49:04] <tryoo> jhutchins_wk: looks perfect :)
4429 [23:49:07] <tryoo> thx
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4433 [23:50:33] <jhutchins_wk> tryoo: You might look at certification guides for things like RedHat - they'll tell you what each module is supposed to teach, you can go mess with it.
4434 [23:50:33] <CuteMeOwnThroat> and yeah… replaced-url
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4436 [23:51:05] <jhutchins_wk> tryoo: The SAG is a little bit old and Red-Hattish, but still a good way to learn.
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4440 [23:51:42] <tryoo> the SAG? What's that?
4441 [23:51:51] <jhutchins_wk> System Administrators Guide
4442 [23:51:54] <tryoo> ahh, ok
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4445 [23:52:27] <CuteMeOwnThroat> no systemd for you then, young man
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4447 [23:52:32] <jhutchins_wk> tryoo: Learning one of the RPM based distros would be a good idea too. See both ways of doing things.
4448 [23:53:04] <tryoo> yeah, sure, I'm not 100%-debian focused :)
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4451 [23:53:45] <jhutchins_wk> I prefer it myself, but I cut my teeth on RedHat and have used it or CentOS is pretty much all my professional positions.
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4459 [23:55:04] <CuteMeOwnThroat> well, not too thrilled there replaced-url
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4462 [23:55:19] <tryoo> ;]
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4465 [23:56:14] <CuteMeOwnThroat> tryoo, poking around a little bit in everything you see in /var/log is a good idea, also call dmesg at least once… both of those may or may not be replaced by journalctl since systemd
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4471 [23:57:27] <jhutchins_wk> tryoo: It's a good goal to look at ps ax and figure out why every item there is running.
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4473 [23:57:53] <tryoo> nice ideas!
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