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0 [00:00:09] <teraflops> Bull3tM0nk3y_: did you close a terminal with apt installing packages on it?
1 [00:00:13] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> cat unplugged the eithernet cord
2 [00:00:26] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> i closed all terminals and reopened it
3 [00:00:28] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> i got that
4 [00:00:33] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> want me to just restart my computer?
5 [00:00:34] <teraflops> heh
6 [00:00:42] <teraflops> Bull3tM0nk3y_: you can also blame the cat
7 [00:00:50] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> Damn you Cammy!
8 [00:00:54] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> there, blamed her
9 [00:01:01] <teraflops> ah nice
10 [00:01:10] <teraflops> I have one too ikr
11 [00:01:30] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> Cats are wonderful except when they mess with technology. Keyboards are common for her.
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16 [00:02:21] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> test
17 [00:02:24] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> reading me?
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19 [00:02:28] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> it said i timed out
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22 [00:03:00] <babilen> We can see your messages
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25 [00:03:43] <Bull3tM0nk3y> OKAY IM BACK NOW
26 [00:03:48] <Bull3tM0nk3y> restart my machine?
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31 [00:04:26] <babilen> It;s an option, yes
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34 [00:04:35] <Bull3tM0nk3y> restarting, be back soon
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44 [00:08:19] <Bull3tM0nk3y> I HAVE WORKING WIFI NOW
45 [00:08:22] <Bull3tM0nk3y> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
46 [00:08:26] <Bull3tM0nk3y> lemme go install sudo
47 [00:08:30] <Bull3tM0nk3y> thank you bablien!
48 [00:08:33] <Bull3tM0nk3y> and the other person
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50 [00:08:40] <babilen> :D
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54 [00:09:51] <Bull3tM0nk3y> sudo is installed!
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56 [00:10:25] <Bull3tM0nk3y> Now, how to fix my brightness?
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60 [00:11:52] <bull3tm0nk3y> now for my brightness
61 [00:12:12] <bull3tm0nk3y> my buttons and the brightness settings do not change the brightness
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68 [00:17:29] <bull3tm0nk3y> how do i add myself as a sudo user?
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70 [00:17:40] <tharkun> I am looking for a programm that is able to handle gannt charts or project management for the matter but it seems none are available from the regular repositories. Is there a way I am forgetting to search in there?
71 [00:17:42] <victor37> ciao
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74 [00:17:55] <victor37> !list
75 [00:17:56] <dpkg> victor37: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a replaced-url
76 [00:17:58] <teraflops> lol
77 [00:18:04] <teraflops> I kew it
78 [00:18:08] <teraflops> knew*
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81 [00:18:46] <bull3tm0nk3y> I did "sudo adduser USERNAME sudo"
82 [00:18:59] <bull3tm0nk3y> but its not letting me add it
83 [00:19:24] <tharkun> bull3tm0nk3y: Why would you do such a thing?
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86 [00:19:37] <teraflops> bull3tm0nk3y: of course :S
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88 [00:19:57] <bull3tm0nk3y> what did i do?
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90 [00:20:23] <babilen> You tried to use sudo
91 [00:20:31] <babilen> You have to run that as root
92 [00:20:44] <bull3tm0nk3y> oooooooooohhhh...
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94 [00:20:47] <bull3tm0nk3y> i am not a clever man
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96 [00:21:23] <bull3tm0nk3y> root@debian:/home/quentin# sudo adduser quentin sudo The user `quentin' is already a member of `sudo'.
97 [00:21:35] <bull3tm0nk3y> but im not?
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99 [00:21:47] <missmbob> you need to log out and back in for it to take effect
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101 [00:21:52] <bull3tm0nk3y> oh.
102 [00:21:55] <bull3tm0nk3y> righto
103 [00:21:59] <bull3tm0nk3y> brb then
104 [00:22:33] <fe> is there anyone who knows if libssh-dev is an up-to-date package?
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118 [00:24:51] <fe> nvm
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122 [00:25:41] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> okay im back
123 [00:25:45] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> lemme try my sudo stuff
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125 [00:26:21] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> sudo works now!
126 [00:26:25] <somiaj> woot
127 [00:26:32] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> thank you again!
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129 [00:26:36] <teraflops> hehe
130 [00:26:41] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> now one last thing before i go
131 [00:27:04] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> my brightness settings and keys do not turn up or down the brightness
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134 [00:27:48] <somiaj> Bull3tM0nk3y_: what desktop/de do you use?
135 [00:27:56] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> GNOME
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137 [00:28:18] <somiaj> might be your actual display driver/backlight control is not standard so the default gnome bindings aren't working.
138 [00:28:31] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> ah. how do i fix that?
139 [00:28:46] <somiaj> Bull3tM0nk3y_: might depend on your actual hardware and what capaiblities/compadabilities it has
140 [00:28:56] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> oh. that sucks.
141 [00:28:59] <somiaj> one way is manually use xrandr to change the brightness (this is differnt than changing the backlight though)
142 [00:29:13] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> Ubuntu had no issues, which is odd.
143 [00:29:18] <teraflops> sometimes you need to pass a kernel param to the bootloader
144 [00:29:37] <teraflops> Ubuntu has a newer kernel perhaps
145 [00:29:42] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> it does
146 [00:29:44] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> 4.8
147 [00:29:47] <teraflops> well
148 [00:29:48] <somiaj> Bull3tM0nk3y_: just might depend on what hardware is detected. Newer kernel, nonfree drivers, etc
149 [00:29:54] <teraflops> this is debian
150 [00:30:03] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> i just installed firmware-linux-nonfree
151 [00:30:06] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> maybe that will help
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153 [00:30:33] <babilen> What;s you GPU?
154 [00:30:35] <somiaj> Bull3tM0nk3y_: what video card does your laptop have?
155 [00:30:40] <teraflops> God question
156 [00:30:42] <teraflops> good
157 [00:30:47] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> how do i check that?
158 [00:30:52] <teraflops> ugh
159 [00:31:04] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> sorry, im still a noob
160 [00:31:13] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> lemme go google it
161 [00:31:15] <babilen> lspci -nn|grep -i vga
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164 [00:31:30] <tharkun> xbacklight -set
165 [00:31:33] <somiaj> Bull3tM0nk3y_: or share /var/log/Xorg.0.log with us and we'll see which one xorg is detecting.
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167 [00:31:48] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> k
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170 [00:32:25] <tharkun> will tell what setting it is on. Whenever you start your laptop usuallly there is a warning when you might have a problem with the settings of your display.
171 [00:32:59] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> replaced-url
172 [00:33:26] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> Radeon it seems
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175 [00:33:52] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> i installed firmware-linux-nonfree because the boot screen when Deb loads told me to
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177 [00:34:01] <babilen> Bull3tM0nk3y_: Install libgl1-mesa-dri and firmware-radeon
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179 [00:34:40] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> first one is already installed, second one cannot be found
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182 [00:35:04] <babilen> Ah, yeah .. its in firmware-linux-nonfree
183 [00:35:10] <babilen> Did you reboot after installing that/
184 [00:35:12] <babilen> ?
185 [00:35:16] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> replaced-url
186 [00:35:16] <mf|pc> I was about to say that babilen
187 [00:35:19] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> nope
188 [00:35:23] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> ill be back then folks
189 [00:35:30] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> thank you for being so supportive and kind btw
190 [00:35:31] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> <3
191 [00:35:36] <mf|pc> See you shortly :-)
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206 [00:43:19] <Learnerwind> How o i configure if-pre-up.d? I've added an script there and when i use 'service network-manager restart' nothing happens. If i use 'run-parts --test /etc/network/if-pre-up.d' the output is all things there but my script. If i use '1s -l /etc/network/if-pre-up.d' i see my file with the rw permitions set to all users. Sorry if it is a silly question.
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212 [00:45:08] <exocet_665> it's not linked to /etc/network/interfaces instead of networkmanager ?
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214 [00:45:20] <exocet_665> that's maybe why nothing happens...
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216 [00:46:56] <Learnerwind> 'ls -ld /etc/network/if-pre-down.d'
217 [00:46:56] <Learnerwind> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Oct 21 20:29 /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/
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229 [00:48:56] <Learnerwind> the thing the more make me curious is the 'run-parts' thing
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235 [00:50:46] <exocet_665> if you use network manager, you have to use /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/pre-up.d and not /etc/network/if-pre-up.d
236 [00:50:53] <jelly> Learnerwind: what's the exact path for your custom file
237 [00:51:27] <jelly> Learnerwind: run-parts is _very_ picky about allowed characters in file names
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241 [00:52:27] <exocet_665> may be except if you're using managed=true in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
242 [00:52:28] <jelly> (that's a rtfm)
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244 [00:52:43] <Learnerwind> Thats the path
245 [00:52:43] <Learnerwind> '/etc/network/if-pre-up.d/randmac.sh'
246 [00:53:01] <Learnerwind> That is rtfm?
247 [00:53:04] <jelly> Learnerwind: get rid of ".sh"
248 [00:53:11] <Learnerwind> oh ok
249 [00:53:31] <jelly> (or just the . in the name)
250 [00:54:37] <jelly> Learnerwind: yes, the fine manual says: > [...] the names must consist entirely of ASCII upper- and lower-case letters, ASCII digits, ASCII underscores, and ASCII minus-hyphens.
251 [00:55:18] <Learnerwind> solved the run-parts thing
252 [00:55:19] <Learnerwind> Oh thank you
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260 [00:58:48] <istrive> need help with backup
261 [00:59:03] <RoyK> !ask | istrive
262 [00:59:24] <istrive> istrive@AdsBlkPit:/$ mutt
263 [00:59:41] <istrive> tar (child): /mnt/wdsp/AdsBlackPit/AdsBlkPit_Friday_2016-10-21.tar.gz /: Cannot open: Is a directory
264 [00:59:56] <istrive> when I try to run the backup.sh script
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268 [01:00:52] <istrive> my command line inside the script is as follow: tar -zcvpf $dst/$flnm / --one-file-system --exclude="*.log" . > /tmp/bakfls.tmp
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2437 [01:08:29] <istrive> Whot can help me with BACKUP using tar?
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2450 [01:09:19] <istrive> plaase, somebody who knows backup in Debian using tar?
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2454 [01:10:09] <humbot> tar is a good start
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2466 [01:10:56] <istrive> humbot, can you help me with a issue here?
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2477 [01:12:14] <humbot> i find the hard is deciding what needs to be backed and what shouldn't be, and where to and how often
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2528 [01:13:27] <istrive> any shell script expert here?
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2557 [01:14:47] <missmbob> istrive: a better place would be #bash
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2569 [01:15:28] <istrive> thank you missmbob!
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2573 [01:15:35] <istrive> going there now!
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2588 [01:16:52] <Learnerwind> Hey. Now the script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d and in /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/ does not work
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2590 [01:17:23] <Learnerwind> It works fine if i run it manualy
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2602 [01:19:28] <julius_> gi
2603 [01:19:29] <julius_> hi
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2605 [01:20:14] <julius_> got some problems putting a windows iso onto a usb stick and boot from it. i tried unetbootin but it keeps hanging in a loop at the start when you can see the blue menue...the countdown just starts from 10 again everytime it hits zero
2606 [01:20:46] <julius_> now i tried to put the image with dd if=/media/julius/toshiba_extern/windows7.iso of=/dev/sdf bs=4MB onto the stick....first try did not work
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2608 [01:20:53] <julius_> copying a different image currently
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2610 [01:21:01] <julius_> isnt there a "easier" way todo this?
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2626 [01:23:02] <Learnerwind> Hey. Now the script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d and in /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/ does not work. But works fine when run manually. How do i solve it?
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2629 [01:23:56] <Learnerwind> *dispatcher.d/pre-up.d
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2675 [01:32:25] <Learnerwind> Hey. Now the script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d and in /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/ does not work. But works fine when run manually. How do i solve it?
2676 [01:34:48] <Learnerwind> h
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2679 [01:36:37] <jhutchins_wk> julius_: I've heard of people doing it, but this is #debian. Maybe ##windows?
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2682 [01:36:51] <jhutchins_wk> julius_: You might google it.
2683 [01:36:54] <julius_> replaced-url
2684 [01:36:57] <julius_> night
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2687 [01:37:28] <andril> o/
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2722 [01:48:41] <Learnerwind> Could someone help me to set up a randon macc script to run everything before wlan0 goes up?
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2727 [01:52:42] <cruncher> Learnerwind, what do you mean run everything?
2728 [01:53:03] <Learnerwind> every time
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2733 [01:53:55] <cruncher> why not put it into /etc/network/if-pre-up.d?
2734 [01:54:01] <Learnerwind> I've build the script. And it runs fine. But i cant run it directi in network
2735 [01:54:07] <cruncher> why not?
2736 [01:54:11] <Learnerwind> yeah i've put it there
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2742 [01:55:52] <cruncher> Learnerwind, what is the problem?
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2744 [01:56:22] <Learnerwind> It does not chang the mac from there
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2747 [01:56:42] <cruncher> Learnerwind, the script only changes the mac?
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2751 [01:57:26] <Learnerwind> yes
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2753 [01:57:33] <Learnerwind> #!/bin/bash
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2755 [01:57:49] <Learnerwind> a function called genmack
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2757 [01:57:56] <Learnerwind> ifdown
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2759 [01:58:17] <Learnerwind> ip link set down dev $device
2760 [01:58:32] <cruncher> Learnerwind, did you try macchanger?
2761 [01:59:01] <ecvk> hello, my laptop hanged while shutting down
2762 [01:59:04] <Learnerwind> i will try after. Because i was trying to do it direct from my script
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2764 [01:59:25] <ecvk> how to troubleshoot this error?
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2766 [02:00:05] <Learnerwind> replaced-url
2767 [02:00:24] <cruncher> Learnerwind, be aware that some nics cant change mac address, resp it resets them always back to original mac
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2773 [02:01:22] <Learnerwind> Is my script fine
2774 [02:01:23] <Learnerwind> ?
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2778 [02:02:18] <cruncher> i hope the missing "#" before !/bin/bash is just a copy/paste error
2779 [02:02:39] <Learnerwind> It is there, just not in the pastebin
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2783 [02:04:56] <Learnerwind> I've played with changing mac on this computer before
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2785 [02:05:50] <cruncher> Learnerwind, yes, basically its correct, but did you try line 12 separately?
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2788 [02:06:00] <cruncher> because as i said, on some nics you cant set the mac
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2791 [02:06:10] <Learnerwind> cruncher: Yes
2792 [02:06:41] <Learnerwind> by the way, i've used #! for long time. It is my main distro
2793 [02:06:42] <cruncher> so if line 12 works manually, what is the problem?
2794 [02:06:59] <cruncher> only that it doesnt work in if-pre-up.d?
2795 [02:07:06] <cruncher> does it work when executed manually?
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2797 [02:07:19] <Learnerwind> yes it does
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2806 [02:09:37] <Learnerwind> Got the problem
2807 [02:09:37] <Learnerwind> you helped me
2808 [02:09:37] <Learnerwind> Got the problem
2809 [02:09:40] <Learnerwind> you helped me
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2811 [02:09:52] <Learnerwind> It will work sometimes but now tall
2812 [02:09:52] <cruncher> Learnerwind, but you shouldnt bring it up or down in the script you put into if-pre-up.d
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2814 [02:10:09] <Learnerwind> yeah
2815 [02:10:15] <Learnerwind> i tryid it to fix the bug
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2818 [02:10:58] <Learnerwind> But the bug is: It may generate numbers below 10 and bc will cut the leading char
2819 [02:11:34] <Learnerwind> like 'echo "obase=16; 15" | bc '
2820 [02:11:38] <Learnerwind> it will generate F
2821 [02:11:44] <Learnerwind> whichi is no in the right format
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2823 [02:12:05] <cruncher> ok. Also be aware that network manager doesnt run scripts in if-pre-up.d
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2825 [02:12:12] <cruncher> in case you'll use it
2826 [02:12:22] <Learnerwind> yeah
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2828 [02:12:30] <Learnerwind> i've put ir in other places too
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2860 [02:30:37] <gustavohmsilva_> hi guys. how can I point debian to use bin, usr, sbin and etc to another disk?
2861 [02:30:45] <gustavohmsilva_> after the debian is installed
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2865 [02:32:00] <cmj> you could try with bind mounts
2866 [02:32:10] <somiaj> gustavohmsilva_: can you be more clear what it is you are trying to achive?
2867 [02:32:19] <somiaj> gustavohmsilva_: almost sounds like you want a chroot
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2874 [02:35:02] <gustavohmsilva_> somiaj: no... my OS is running on a 4gb drive, but I have a extra drive with 16gb... would be nice if all the software that i install does not consume my 4gb root drive
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2879 [02:35:46] <gustavohmsilva_> here's the catch somiaj, I don't have grub, because it's a fastboot dev board
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2882 [02:36:11] <somiaj> gustavohmsilva_: well you can decide what part you want on another drive, issue is you have various other file systems.
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2884 [02:36:40] <somiaj> gustavohmsilva_: for example most of the data installed by debian is in /usr, you could create a partition/filesystem on the second drive and put all the /usr data over there.
2885 [02:36:57] <somiaj> gustavohmsilva_: but another big place is /home, and the last big place is /var (Depending on logs and stuff like that)
2886 [02:37:06] <gustavohmsilva_> upon reboot everything will be recognized?
2887 [02:37:15] <somiaj> gustavohmsilva_: you can mount other filesystems in place of these main locations.
2888 [02:37:29] <somiaj> gustavohmsilva_: you will have to copy over the data to the new file system and set up the info about the mount in /etc/fstab
2889 [02:38:01] <gustavohmsilva_> hum... that makes sence... rsync everything I want to the new drive and then mount on /xxx/xx (original location
2890 [02:38:04] <somiaj> you should also do this all from a live system to ensure your mirror works.
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2892 [02:38:17] <somiaj> correct then set up /etc/fstab to understand that this mount should live here
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2894 [02:38:43] <somiaj> if all you want to do is put /usr over there that would work. If you wanted /usr and /home this is a little more work that you could do with either two parittions or a symoblic link
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2896 [02:38:52] <gustavohmsilva_> just one thing, how can I delete the content from the main drive after? lol
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2901 [02:41:27] <somiaj> the same as you would delete any content with rm, easier from the live system as you can't have the new mount in place when deleting the old filesystem
2902 [02:42:03] <gustavohmsilva_> I mean, I could use mv instead of rsync, but at some point of the copy, wouldn't it break the system?
2903 [02:42:08] <gustavohmsilva_> live as live-cd?
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2907 [02:43:09] <istrive> does the mail tool in debian sends email to regular email address instead of the system user only?
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2910 [02:44:15] <somiaj> istrive: what mail tool are you talking about? The default mail server in debian is exim and can be set up to be local only or actually be an mail server and send/recive email to/from other systems
2911 [02:44:40] <istrive> the buit-in mail
2912 [02:45:10] <somiaj> what do you mean by built-in mail? Debian offers lots of different mail servers and mail clients.
2913 [02:45:22] <somiaj> you mean the command line 'mail' which is really mailx?
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2915 [02:46:19] <somiaj> seems /usr/bin/mail -> /etc/alternatives/mail -> <whatever that alternative is set to>
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2917 [02:46:40] <somiaj> on my jessie system this points to bsd-mailx
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2926 [02:50:25] <istrive> how to setup the mail or any other tool to send alerts to regular email after a crontab executes?
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2930 [02:52:33] <somiaj> istrive: so you want to be emailed everytime a cronjob is run (this sometimes happens every 30mins or even shorter)
2931 [02:53:33] <istrive> smoiaj once every 2 days...
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2933 [02:54:17] <istrive> somiaj once every 2 days
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2935 [02:54:37] <somiaj> istrive: so for a paticular cron job you want to be emailed about? There are various ways, one is to write a script that both sends mail (bsd-mailx can do this) and then does what ever the job you need does
2936 [02:54:44] <somiaj> I don't know the cli info well enough to be of much more help though
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2939 [02:55:23] <somiaj> istrive: man mailx (try to figure how to first send mail from a script)
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2941 [02:56:23] <istrive> somiaj my /etc/crontab has the schedule, I have the mails to my user accunt that I look wit mutt, but It would be nice to get the email from my email@domain.com
2942 [02:56:47] <somiaj> istrive: instead of what root@localhost?
2943 [02:57:24] <istrive> somiaj i want to user and external account from my ISP (1and1.com)
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2954 [03:00:54] <somiaj> istrive: I guess I don't quite follow you. You want these emails to go to your normal email account at 1and1.com and not to your server, which you have to look at with mutt?
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2956 [03:01:43] <istrive> I can go to both, but my priority would be an external email!
2957 [03:02:36] <somiaj> istrive: I think you can set up a .forward file in $HOME that lists your outside email address. Provided your server is correctly configured to send mail, that should send any mail it recives to the external email address
2958 [03:02:52] <istrive> somiaj I can go to both, but my priority would be an external email! it would make my life way easier to check the status of the backups from my phone...
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2962 [03:03:29] <somiaj> this way just forward all email to your external email address. You could also look at the script itself and see if you can configure which email address it sends to. In either case you need to have set up an SMTP server (either on your machien or as a relay)
2963 [03:03:40] <istrive> somiaj I don't have it configured, that's why I'm here asking for help! ;)
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2966 [03:04:53] <somiaj> istrive: on your isp/network, are you allowed to send your own email or do you need to your email through a relay?
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2975 [03:09:32] <istrive> somiaj it can send fine, no need for relay!
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2983 [03:12:33] <somiaj> istrive: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config should allow you to select an internet site option
2984 [03:12:40] <somiaj> or you can look at the config files for exim 4
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3039 [03:36:53] <Rachel> Hey! :)
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3041 [03:37:08] <gry> hi :)
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3044 [03:38:35] <Guest58162> This is neat ( ; Where is everyone from ?
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3046 [03:38:52] <ByteMeee> hi :)
3047 [03:39:02] <missmbob> Guest58162: this isn't a social channel. please keep discussion to support. there is #debian-offtopic for social
3048 [03:39:03] <Guest58162> Byteme, lol.
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3050 [03:40:18] <teus> i cant believe it
3051 [03:40:22] <teus> installed all pepperflash stuff
3052 [03:40:38] <teus> the .so file isnt anywhere and now it even broke firefox's ability to play flash
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3056 [03:40:56] <ByteMeee> do y'all think it's reasonable to run linux on 4 gigs of RAM
3057 [03:41:31] <teus> of course
3058 [03:41:35] <th0r> ByteMeee, I run it on a laptop with 2
3059 [03:42:02] <th0r> ByteMeee, and at present I am running raspbian on a pi3 with only 1
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3061 [03:42:09] <teus> fucking piece of shit flash
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3063 [03:42:31] <th0r> and the ignore list grows again
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3066 [03:42:39] <teus> fuck off
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3068 [03:43:19] <ByteMeee> ugh ok bc I need a new windows machine to boot Kali off of and I want the price to be low
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3072 [03:44:32] <somiaj> ByteMeee: allthough it will be fine, you should ask kali what sort of system requriements they have for the desktop setup.
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3077 [03:47:34] <ByteMeee> somiaj: their min requirements are 512MB ram so I think we're good
3078 [03:48:07] <th0r> ByteMeee, if I am not mistaken there is a kali install for the raspberry pi, so requirements can't be too harsh
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3123 [04:30:14] <ranix> !list
3124 [04:30:14] <dpkg> ranix: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi replaced-url
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3175 [04:48:15] <Kaizen_> *offf-topic* does somebody knows some irc channel where I can ask about spreads (trading)? thanks, and sorry for the really big off-topic (I have searched the channel s list and there s no #trading channel)
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3177 [04:49:49] <_44trent_> so is it just me, or is there no more catalyst legacy in debian 8?
3178 [04:50:06] <missmbob> Kaizen_: go to #debian-offtopic is you want to be offtopic
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3180 [04:50:28] <_44trent_> i have an older laptopp GPU that just has awful performance without the fglrx legacy driver.
3181 [04:50:37] <_44trent_> am i stuck with Debian 7...
3182 [04:51:14] <morf> Kaizen_: it's offtopic, but there is big channel called #stocks @ efnet (also search google for most visited irc channels there will be more)
3183 [04:51:15] <Kaizen_> missmbob, thanks and sorry
3184 [04:51:27] <Kaizen_> morf, thanks too
3185 [04:52:24] <_44trent_> yeah...I think i'm screwed
3186 [04:52:50] <surfist> maybe compile up something?
3187 [04:53:15] <_44trent_> can't, it's the proprietary fglrx legacy driver
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3189 [04:53:32] <_44trent_> and i'm not using the AMD supplied installer, those just break everything
3190 [04:53:33] <Kaizen_> _44trent_, iis it a miniPCIe card?
3191 [04:54:12] <_44trent_> the gpu is an MXM mobility radeon hd 2600
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3194 [04:54:35] <_44trent_> it runs with the OSS drivers, problem is I can't get decent performance then
3195 [04:54:39] <_44trent_> at all
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3197 [04:54:47] <surfist> replaced-url
3198 [04:55:02] <_44trent_> see the thing is the legacy one is only for Wheezy
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3200 [04:55:42] <_44trent_> and i'm not using wheezy, as the packages will be terribly outdated
3201 [04:55:42] <surfist> debian 7 is wheezy
3202 [04:55:52] <_44trent_> yes, the legacy driver is only for debian 7
3203 [04:56:07] <surfist> old laptop newer OS?
3204 [04:56:16] <_44trent_> replaced-url
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3206 [04:56:42] <_44trent_> yeah my laptop is old, i figure installing debian would make it run better, except the part where i'll have awful graphics performance
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3208 [04:57:12] <_44trent_> and i'd really not want to use old stable packages from like 2013
3209 [05:00:05] <surfist> I suppose some die hards have done it... the trick is finding the info
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3211 [05:00:22] <surfist> personally.. I'm looking for old kernel headers for dkms to have it's fun
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3213 [05:00:39] <morf> laptops gpus pretty much always sucks
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3215 [05:00:50] <morf> and those gaming laptops are just bad joke to me
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3217 [05:01:16] <pingfloyd> gaming is a joke
3218 [05:01:16] <_44trent_> they are getting the desktop cards in high end laptops
3219 [05:01:25] <_44trent_> it's not worth it tho
3220 [05:01:49] <_44trent_> i have a "gaming" motherboard on my desktop, whatever that means
3221 [05:01:58] <pingfloyd> gaming hasn't had much breakthrough in the last 2 decades
3222 [05:02:12] <jmcnaught> _44trent_: do you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed?
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3224 [05:02:21] <surfist> first you get a soldering iron.. then some chip diagrams... nm
3225 [05:02:24] <pingfloyd> same old thing with better graphics to get you to buy new hardware
3226 [05:02:30] <_44trent_> I...
3227 [05:02:35] <_44trent_> didn't even know that existed
3228 [05:02:40] <_44trent_> excuse me while I facepalm
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3230 [05:03:07] <_44trent_> so if i install that firmware will I get better performance
3231 [05:03:30] <jmcnaught> _44trent_: in many cases yes: replaced-url
3232 [05:03:37] <pingfloyd> usually firmware is more of a matter of getting the hardware working
3233 [05:03:56] <_44trent_> yeah i'm just trying to get better performance in videos and minecraft...
3234 [05:04:05] <pingfloyd> like hardware doesn't work properly because you don't have the needed firmware installed
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3236 [05:04:41] <pingfloyd> for gaming, usually the proprietary video drivers give better performance, but they're also a can of worms
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3238 [05:05:07] <_44trent_> and also minecraft is more CPU bound in my experiences, so i'm sure the open source will suffice, given i have the firmware
3239 [05:05:23] <pingfloyd> if the manufacturers would get their act together about supporting open source, it wouldn't be such a dilemma
3240 [05:05:36] <_44trent_> i heard AMDGPU is doing pretty good
3241 [05:05:47] <_44trent_> vulkan doesn't work without the proprietary version though
3242 [05:05:48] <pingfloyd> yeah, amd has gotten better about that over time
3243 [05:06:10] <_44trent_> i'm guessing by linuux 4.10 AMDGPU will be enabled for GCN 1.1 and above
3244 [05:06:36] <_44trent_> right now I need to recompile my kernel to get AMDGPU with my R9 390 on my desktop
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3246 [05:06:48] <pingfloyd> the only reason amd looks like saints on that front is because nvidia is so flippant about it
3247 [05:06:55] <_44trent_> of course
3248 [05:07:27] <_44trent_> but at least AMDGPU works quite better then radeon
3249 [05:08:13] <_44trent_> even if my 390 doesn't work with it without recompiling my kernel...
3250 [05:08:43] <_44trent_> and is completely nonexistent for my old laptop
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3294 [05:43:25] <o|0_0|v_Peace> If you apt-get gcc-4.9-base where does the binary end up?
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3296 [05:47:07] <missmbob> o|0_0|v_Peace: dpkg -L foo |grep bin
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3302 [05:49:59] <themill> assuming you actually installed the package
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3335 [06:23:37] <Racha> I'm having a problem with GRUB, how do I list all the menu entries that would be shown at bootup but just listing it from the commandline?
3336 [06:25:03] <somiaj> Racha: you can look at the actual config files that are generated in /boot
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3338 [06:25:27] <Racha> yeah, but I can't get the index number of the menu items
3339 [06:25:48] <somiaj> they just go in order, y ou ahve to count (I don't know of a tool that lists them nicely)
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3342 [06:26:31] <awal1> Racha, try with this awk -F\' '/menuentry / {print $2}' /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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3344 [06:27:48] <Racha> interesting, that gave me a list of 13 items
3345 [06:28:19] <somiaj> Racha: what version of debian are you running?
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3348 [06:29:38] <Racha> testing, i686 ... I'm setting up multiarch and put the 64-kernel on the machine, and now I want it to boot up off of that new kernel. The machine is a VPS that's hosted at my webhost, so I cannot see the boot menu
3349 [06:30:19] <somiaj> Racha: you most likely have lots of older kernels installed, dpkg -l | grep linux-image (i'd reove the older kernels you aren't using anymore)
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3351 [06:30:39] <awal1> Racha, the multiple entries are maybe old kernels?
3352 [06:32:18] <awal1> Racha, apt-get should remove old kernels with autoremove option
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3356 [06:32:59] <awal1> but it should keep the previous one (current + previous) if any
3357 [06:33:09] <Racha> it's only 3 kernels on the system, but it's listing 4 options per kernel including:sysvinit,systemd,recoverymode
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3361 [06:34:51] <awal1> Racha, I guess you have dist-upgraded from jessie to stretch?
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3364 [06:35:11] <Racha> yes, I keep testing pretty up to date
3365 [06:35:36] <Racha> I'm currently on this: Linux 4.7.0-1-686-pae on i686
3366 [06:36:12] <awal1> btw, what's your real problem/question?
3367 [06:36:15] <awal1> :D
3368 [06:36:19] <Racha> Trying to use this: Linux 4.7.0-1-amd64
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3371 [06:36:35] <Racha> I'm converting to 64-bit from 32
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3378 [06:37:36] <missmbob> you realize a 64-bit kernel wont make your userland 64-bit?
3379 [06:37:53] <jmcnaught> !crossgrade
3380 [06:37:53] <dpkg> Converting an i386 installation into an amd64 installation in-place is quite difficult. It's much easier to reinstall the system with the new architecture -- ask me about <install debian>. If you've got good backups, plenty of time and are feeling lucky, you can try replaced-url
3381 [06:38:06] <Racha> I already got the kernel installed, I just need the machine to automatically boot off of the new kernel, and I can't guesss at the "default index" that grub uses, because I don't want it going into memtest or recovery mode. I need the specific grub menu item index for that kernel
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3385 [06:39:00] <Racha> I will be installing the 64-bit packages after booting up in 64-bit
3386 [06:39:42] <Racha> I have 1 VPS, and that's it. so my options is to up/crossgrade
3387 [06:39:51] <Pwnna> so what are files like 81b9768f.0 in /etc/ssl/certs?
3388 [06:39:53] <missmbob> i'd choose reinstall
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3391 [06:41:17] <Jame57> I'd re-install too
3392 [06:41:25] <Racha> cant reinstall
3393 [06:41:28] <jmcnaught> Racha: Check the instructions on that CrossGrading wiki page ^^. also stretch support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, but you should really be running debian stable if it's an internet connected server
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3395 [06:42:11] <jmcnaught> Racha: you might have to accept some downtime. you have backups right?
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3397 [06:42:18] <Pwnna> and how come one of my machine doesn't have it? (and also giving me a bunch of certificate errors everywhere)
3398 [06:42:51] <jmcnaught> Pwnna: what command is giving you the errors? can we see the command and output on replaced-url
3399 [06:42:58] <Jame57> Racha, your running a system you can't re-install and not running stable...... fail
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3401 [06:43:04] <awal1> Racha: if your amd64 kernel is the,say, 3d line/the 3d listed by grub and the command I gave you, just put 2 in the corresponding line in grub file (/etc/default/grub ---» GRUBDEFAULT=2 ). If that what you was asking
3402 [06:43:17] <Racha> no bakcups, I don't need the lecture on backups, at work I keep months of nightly backups, this is my own personal server for testing stuff out
3403 [06:43:23] <Pwnna> jmcnaught: sure. one sec.
3404 [06:43:33] <awal1> but as missmbob told you, reinstalling is easiest and secure
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3406 [06:43:55] <Racha> awal1: That is what I'm asking thanks
3407 [06:44:04] <Pwnna> jmcnaught: replaced-url
3408 [06:44:25] <Pwnna> $ ls -l /etc/ssl/certs | wc -l ==> 176
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3410 [06:44:39] <awal1> Racha, GRUB_DEFAULT=2
3411 [06:44:47] <awal1> first line = 0
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3413 [06:45:17] <Pwnna> on a server where i don't have this problem (their setup is not too different), I have >500 in that folder that's populated by a bunch of symlinks from names like 81b9768f.0 to named certificates in that directory
3414 [06:45:53] <jmcnaught> Pwnna: do you have ca-certificates package installed?
3415 [06:45:55] <Racha> this was the output of that command: replaced-url
3416 [06:46:08] <Pwnna> jmcnaught: yes. ca-certificates:
3417 [06:46:08] <Pwnna> Installed: 20141019+deb8u1
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3419 [06:46:53] <Pwnna> i tried dpkg-reconfigure that package as well as a straight up install --reinstall with no solution
3420 [06:47:25] <jmcnaught> Pwnna: are the certificates in /usr/share/ca-certificates/mozilla ?
3421 [06:47:39] <tatalazo> j/ #android,#android-dev,#android-offtopic,#debian-offtopic
3422 [06:47:44] <Pwnna> $ ls -l /usr/share/ca-certificates/mozilla/ | wc -l
3423 [06:47:44] <Pwnna> 174
3424 [06:48:13] <Pwnna> those two numbers are the same from both of my servers ( one working one not working)
3425 [06:48:27] <Pwnna> are the files like 81b9768f.0 a red herring?
3426 [06:48:31] <awal1> Racha, 2 was just a guess, but effectivly it's 2 in your case, regarding the paste : Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 4.7.0-1-amd64
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3428 [06:48:49] <Pwnna> a quick search didn't seem to find anything
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3430 [06:49:04] <jmcnaught> Pwnna: you should have the symlinks in /etc/ssl/certs. Look at update-ca-certiticates(8)
3431 [06:49:25] <jelly> Pwnna: run "update-ca-certificates" on the system where openssl's hash symlinks are missing
3432 [06:49:25] <Pwnna> jmcnaught: which symlinks? the hash.0 files or the Verisign_Class_3_Public_Primary_Certification_Authority.pem -> /usr/share/ca-certificates/mozilla/Verisign_Class_3_Public_Primary_Certification_Authority.crt
3433 [06:49:31] <Pwnna> hmm
3434 [06:49:36] <Racha> awal1: oh, I thought I needed line #6 so I put in 5 as my choice, but I still have the grub file open
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3436 [06:49:39] <Pwnna> i did that earlier but it didn't generate them?
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3439 [06:50:02] <Pwnna> Updating certificates in /etc/ssl/certs... 0 added, 0 removed; done.
3440 [06:50:03] <Pwnna> Running hooks in /etc/ca-certificates/update.d....done.
3441 [06:50:14] <Pwnna> ls -l /etc/ssl/certs | wc -l
3442 [06:50:14] <Pwnna> 176
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3446 [06:50:31] <Pwnna> should i try the --fresh option?
3447 [06:50:43] <awal1> Racha, Debian GNU/Linux will boot Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 4.7.0-1-686-pae . Second line should be Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 4.7.0-1-686-pae (recovery mode) . The third one Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 4.7.0-1-amd64 (the one you want as you said
3448 [06:51:12] <awal1> so 2 for grub_default
3449 [06:51:46] <awal1> try it and check if correct with uname -a
3450 [06:52:13] <awal1> after booting the machine ^
3451 [06:52:27] <Pwnna> hmm...well that seems to have done the trick..
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3453 [06:52:40] <Pwnna> jelly, jmcnaught: do you guys know what could have caused this so i can document this for the future,
3454 [06:53:20] <jelly> not really
3455 [06:53:34] <Pwnna> so it worked with --fresh but not anything else
3456 [06:53:37] <Pwnna> ...bug?
3457 [06:53:47] <jmcnaught> Pwnna: another sysadmin? software installed from non Debian sources?
3458 [06:53:56] <Pwnna> i'm the only sysadmin
3459 [06:54:05] <Pwnna> the software are fairly controlled.. but that's possible?
3460 [06:54:11] <Pwnna> what are the hashed names anyway?
3461 [06:54:18] <Pwnna> like are there documentations on them i can read/link about?
3462 [06:54:58] <awal1> Racha, I guess sysvinit/systemd entries are like "residues" of jessie install. with a fresh strech / sid install you will not have those entries
3463 [06:55:38] <jmcnaught> Pwnna: c_rehash(1) is mentioned by the update-ca-certificates man page
3464 [06:55:41] <jelly> Pwnna: no idea about that either, but do a web search for something like: openssl CApath hash
3465 [06:56:01] <Racha> awal1: ok, I will try that, thank you
3466 [06:56:36] <Racha> now, I don't use sid, I just use testing for my apt repos
3467 [06:56:37] <Pwnna> thank you to the both of you :)
3468 [06:56:40] <Pwnna> it was very helpful
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3473 [06:58:21] <Racha> no luck, I just rebooted, and it's still on the i686 kernel
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3480 [07:01:09] <awal1> Racha, have you executed update-grub after making change sto the file?
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3484 [07:01:26] <Racha> yeah, I ran that after making the change
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3488 [07:07:17] <awal1> Racha, it boots with 3.16 amd64 ?
3489 [07:08:04] <Racha> no, this: Linux alpha 4.7.0-1-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 4.7.6-1 (2016-10-07) i686 GNU/Linux
3490 [07:08:25] <missmbob> you should really upgrade that kernel
3491 [07:08:37] <AlexLikeRock> replaced-url
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3495 [07:09:22] <awal1> Racha, I meant choosing it as default (4) in that grub file
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3497 [07:10:03] <Racha> oh, no, that is after choosing 2 as the grub_default
3498 [07:10:15] <missmbob> Racha: you know you're vulvernable to a really bad kernel bug right now, right?
3499 [07:10:46] <missmbob> Racha: plus why are you in here with a testing kernel? you should be in #debian-next on OFTC
3500 [07:10:54] <Racha> missmbob: on kernel 4.7.6-1?
3501 [07:11:09] <missmbob> Racha: yes
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3503 [07:11:59] <missmbob> Racha: that's why using testing can be very dangerous and not too smart. it doesn't get security support. so you're vulnerable to this right now replaced-url
3504 [07:12:07] <Racha> missmbob: because this was the first debian group I guessed at, and I figured grub issues would work in any linux based group that uses grub
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3506 [07:12:36] <missmbob> Racha: that's not right. stable grub and testing grub are different. as are kernels. you should go to the right place
3507 [07:14:00] <awal1> Racha, in fact, testing/unstable support is in #debian-next channel. possibly your migration from i386 to amd64 haven't been successful and your amd64 kernels broken, so grub boots to the good/default/firts/original one
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3510 [07:15:53] <Racha> is that bug already patched in the kernel? on kernel.org?
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3512 [07:16:09] <missmbob> Racha: yes. it's even already patched in sid. not testing though. have to wait days for testing
3513 [07:16:22] <missmbob> Racha: the people on #debian-next on OFTC will school you on testing/sid. not here please
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3515 [07:16:55] <Racha> I asked if it was in kernel.org
3516 [07:17:03] <missmbob> and the answer was yes
3517 [07:17:15] <Racha> thanks
3518 [07:17:52] <missmbob> listening is tough
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3522 [07:19:17] <awal1> replaced-url
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3553 [07:50:51] <Droid02x> hey everyone
3554 [07:51:07] <AlexLikeRock> hi Droid02x
3555 [07:51:09] <AlexLikeRock> welcome
3556 [07:51:36] <Droid02x> Hi AlexLikeRock and thank you
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3561 [07:52:51] <Droid02x> I'm wondering, does anyone here use 1and1? For their shared hosting and or Cloud Server?
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3563 [07:53:37] <missmbob> Droid02x: more suited for #debian-offtopic
3564 [07:54:27] <Droid02x> missmbob; i apologize, havent been on irc in ages and wasnt sure where to go... I appreciate the suggestion!
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3640 [08:52:49] <Agafnd> would it be a bad idea to install an unofficial deb provided by the authors of a program, if said program is not in the official repositories?
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3642 [08:53:05] <Agafnd> for example, qupzilla
3643 [08:53:55] <missmbob> depends
3644 [08:54:02] <missmbob> !tell Agafnd about dont break deebian
3645 [08:54:05] <missmbob> !tell Agafnd about dont break debian
3646 [08:54:22] <missmbob> Agafnd: but usually it's a bad idea since most unofficial repos are for ubuntu, not debian
3647 [08:54:41] <AlexLikeRock> what its the difference qupzilla V S Mozilla Firefox ?
3648 [08:55:24] <Agafnd> well, qupzilla does have a debian build
3649 [08:55:31] <NoCode> replaced-url
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3651 [08:55:47] <AlexLikeRock> difference qupzilla VS firefox ?
3652 [08:56:09] <missmbob> AlexLikeRock: a lot. qupzilla uses chromium's engine and is qt
3653 [08:56:26] <AlexLikeRock> bad idea
3654 [08:56:38] <AlexLikeRock> chromium , only for 64 bit
3655 [08:56:53] <AlexLikeRock> chromium, are BAD GUY
3656 [08:56:59] <missmbob> not true. chromium runs on 32. chrome doesnt
3657 [08:57:01] <AlexLikeRock> they spy us
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3659 [08:57:44] <Agafnd> What I was really wondering is, if I did install an unofficial deb, how would I uninstall it?
3660 [08:57:58] <missmbob> same way. dpkg --purge or apt remove
3661 [08:58:41] <Agafnd> oh, I didn't know that worked
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3665 [08:59:15] <AlexLikeRock> Agafnd, take a look replaced-url
3666 [09:00:02] <AlexLikeRock> missmbob, you now, chrome NOT RUN, chromium depend of chrome, they go to DEAD too !!!
3667 [09:01:14] <Agafnd> AlexLikeRock: sure, I use Firefox (or rather IceWeasel) but thought Qupzilla would be interesting to try
3668 [09:02:09] <Agafnd> or IceCat :)
3669 [09:02:33] <AlexLikeRock> thats better , ICECAT
3670 [09:02:44] <AlexLikeRock> Free Softeware
3671 [09:02:51] <AlexLikeRock> software
3672 [09:02:53] <Agafnd> or sometimes Tor Browser
3673 [09:03:02] <AlexLikeRock> gnu.org
3674 [09:03:25] <mrrhq> I personally compile from git repos or use AppImages if they're available. You can install debs with dpkg -i and remove them with dpkg -r
3675 [09:03:43] <Agafnd> Yeah, I like AppImages
3676 [09:04:09] <mrrhq> The thing is it's a bad idea and it might cause conflicts later.
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3751 [09:41:22] <danke> i answered this yesterday replaced-url
3752 [09:41:38] <danke> just thought i'd share it here in case someone has any better input than me
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3756 [09:42:16] <gebruiker> Just glad to know I am using chrome
3757 [09:42:18] <gebruiker> :)
3758 [09:42:26] <krrishg> I am using Chrome :D
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3760 [09:43:40] <spygrid> like google supports any other distro besides debian
3761 [09:43:41] <danke> yeah, same. i really like the epiphany interface though, so unclutered. i think i'd use it if it was supported
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3763 [09:44:08] <danke> i'm using chromium... google supports debian?
3764 [09:44:30] <spygrid> only the latest debian 8
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3766 [09:45:18] <aZz7eCh> should this be this hard? debian stable 2x wifi. my primary is working of course.. but i add a 2nd wifi adapter, lsusb shows it once inserted, yet I dont seem to be able to make use of it through gnome by default?
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3768 [09:47:38] <gebruiker> aZz7eCh: Any logs that report something worthwhile to work with?
3769 [09:49:54] <aZz7eCh> well i can show you the card not inserted with lsusb, then once it is inserted with lsusb ... but after that ... i'm lost. not much to show you
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3771 [09:50:12] <aZz7eCh> card = usb wifi adapter rather*
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3778 [09:52:19] <at0m> aZz7eCh: lsusb doesn't say if, for example the firmware is loaded. run as root: iw list with the stick inserted, or while inserting, tail -f /var/log/dmesg
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3781 [09:53:21] <aZz7eCh> replaced-url
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3783 [09:55:20] <at0m> aZz7eCh: only shows phy0, not the second adapter?
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3785 [09:55:34] <at0m> what does lsusb show for it?
3786 [09:55:46] <at0m> maybe you need to install firmware
3787 [09:56:05] <CutMeOwnThroat> oh, that's strange. chromium reports an invalid certificate with net::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID for net::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID … now after a day I decided to check in firefox and that doesn't complain about the certificate
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3789 [09:56:33] <aZz7eCh> at0m, before and after LSUSB = replaced-url
3790 [09:56:38] <at0m> CutMeOwnThroat: chromium doesn't seem to have that cert authority?
3791 [09:57:54] <aZz7eCh> at0m, okay having a play with firmware now
3792 [09:58:02] <at0m> aZz7eCh: apt install firmware-misc-nonfree has ralink firmware
3793 [09:58:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah. but chromium's way of displaying the certificate chain doesn't really seem to tell me anything
3794 [09:58:54] <at0m> aZz7eCh: doesn't mean your specific device is covered, but without it, the device probably won't show in iw list
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3796 [09:59:23] <aZz7eCh> gonna reboot - installed the ra from repos but iw still doesn't show it yet
3797 [09:59:26] <at0m> CutMeOwnThroat: manually check the cert and its auth?
3798 [09:59:35] <at0m> aZz7eCh: no need to reboot
3799 [09:59:38] <aZz7eCh> oh
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3801 [09:59:42] <at0m> just re-plug it afaik
3802 [09:59:49] <aZz7eCh> yea i just did
3803 [09:59:50] <at0m> then iw list again
3804 [09:59:52] <at0m> hmmm
3805 [09:59:53] <aZz7eCh> but iw list looks abotu the same
3806 [10:00:01] <at0m> no phy1 eh
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3808 [10:00:16] <aZz7eCh> not that i can say
3809 [10:00:23] <aZz7eCh> see
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3811 [10:00:34] <at0m> iw list | grep phy
3812 [10:00:55] <aZz7eCh> yea just 0
3813 [10:00:58] <aZz7eCh> let me reboot brb
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3815 [10:01:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> mmh, actually firefox and chromium both show the same root authority 'G2' with the same serial
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3817 [10:03:01] <CutMeOwnThroat> firefox says that's built in… chromium doesn't say that… maybe that's it
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3819 [10:05:11] <aZz7eCh> okay so at0m .. i have changed to another usb adapter ... realtek one ...
3820 [10:07:42] <aZz7eCh> lol cant even get firmware for this realtek one... Gah.
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3827 [10:10:35] <spygrid> debian hates firmware
3828 [10:10:46] <gebruiker> aZz7eCh: installed the firmware nonfree?
3829 [10:11:30] <aZz7eCh> realtek ones yeah ... but its the same as the previous card... however, the realtek install did show a couple of errors im not sure about: replaced-url
3830 [10:11:47] <aZz7eCh> is it even possible to connect to two wifi networks at the same time or am i dreaming ?
3831 [10:11:56] <aZz7eCh> this all seems way too difficult for such a simple task
3832 [10:11:58] <at0m> replaced-url
3833 [10:12:16] <aZz7eCh> Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188CUS 802.11n WLAN Adapter
3834 [10:12:21] <aZz7eCh> not included in that list at0m
3835 [10:12:21] <aZz7eCh> '
3836 [10:12:45] <aZz7eCh> oh sorry - thats the Ralink you're still linking me ?
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3840 [10:13:12] <at0m> realtek? 148f:7601 points to ralink yea
3841 [10:13:23] <at0m> (the usb id)
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3843 [10:13:34] <aZz7eCh> yeah i moved on from the Ralink
3844 [10:13:40] <aZz7eCh> i did install the ralink firmware that went fine
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3848 [10:14:00] <aZz7eCh> this i'm talking about now is a realtek adapter (diff one) .. link above shows the errros/missing firmware
3849 [10:14:29] <aZz7eCh> but srsly... this has already eaten out 4 hours of my day ... i just figured i may be missing something simple
3850 [10:14:33] <aZz7eCh> if its this hard, forget it
3851 [10:14:46] <aZz7eCh> 2 wifi adapters ... impossible to get either working :/
3852 [10:15:17] <spygrid> aZz7eCh, same problem on my laptop, debian won't supply firmware for ETHERNET
3853 [10:15:34] <spygrid> its like the whole world went mad
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3855 [10:15:44] <julius_> hi
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3857 [10:16:08] <julius_> im trying to copy a windows 7 iso to a ntfs filesystem in linux, how do i copy this: rsync: read errors mapping "/home/julius/tmp/sources/$oem$/$$/Setup/Scripts/Keys.ini": Input/output error (5) ?
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3863 [10:24:16] <at0m> julius_: are you sure you aren't copying the .iso contents instead of the .iso?
3864 [10:24:28] <julius_> i am copying the contents
3865 [10:24:49] <julius_> so far thats the only howto i found that looks like it might work
3866 [10:24:53] <julius_> others have failed
3867 [10:25:14] <julius_> different .iso file does work though, maybe this one is really damaged
3868 [10:25:14] <spygrid> ntfs doesn't like $, and they included $ on the ISO ? How stupid
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3870 [10:25:33] <at0m> MS shooting itself in the foot. how odd.
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3873 [10:26:51] <at0m> julius_: that's not damaged, that's a feature ;p try "dd if=/dev/sr0 (if that's your dvd/cdrom) of=/home/julius/tmp/dvd.iso
3874 [10:27:04] <at0m> if that works, there's nothing wrong with the dvd or iso
3875 [10:27:17] <julius_> did that, pc skips the device on boot
3876 [10:27:27] <julius_> wait, i added a bs=4MB...is that bad?
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3878 [10:28:21] <julius_> indeed, the iso that worked when copying does not contain the string $ in filenames
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3880 [10:29:28] <julius_> great, now grub acts up.... disk with multiple partition labels. This is not supported yet..
3881 [10:29:39] <julius_> i just want to make a bootable usb stick...how hard can it be
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3883 [10:30:01] <aZz7eCh> cant be as hard as making a usb wifi adapter work
3884 [10:30:03] <aZz7eCh> lol
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3902 [10:38:14] <julius_> what about if i install a virtualbox, create a windows in there, use a windows tool...would it be able to create a boot stick?
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3904 [10:38:37] <aZz7eCh> yep. use rufus in windows
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3907 [10:39:32] <julius_> got no real windows box :(
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3910 [10:40:28] <aZz7eCh> i use windows in a virutalbox to create boot disks. eveyr linux method under the sun i've ever tried, fails to make it bootable, every time. in the end .. vbox just for windows so i can install rufus for making boot disks.
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3913 [10:40:45] <julius_> ah nice
3914 [10:40:46] <julius_> thanks
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3916 [10:40:59] <aZz7eCh> you will need to also install vbox guest additions so that you can use the usb stick in the virtualmachine
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3918 [10:41:16] <julius_> yeah that was comming up from supressed memories
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3922 [10:42:00] <julius_> anyway, im gonna go for a ride with my bike first
3923 [10:42:02] <julius_> see you later
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3940 [10:50:40] <JyZyXEL> why does "apt-get install docker.io" want to remove "console-common" package?
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3965 [11:08:11] <ByteStorm> aZz7eCh, buy your hardware from here ---> replaced-url
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3968 [11:08:55] <aZz7eCh> o0 why there?
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3971 [11:09:59] <ByteStorm> well,the drivers of these hardwares are proved to work with debian...tht is,there are drivers for all these hardwares in debian
3972 [11:10:06] <ByteStorm> ask TomTomTosch
3973 [11:10:38] <aZz7eCh> unfortunately i need shit to work with real world equip
3974 [11:11:06] <aZz7eCh> the usb adapters and 70 machines in remote locations, already exist.
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3984 [11:13:52] <at0m> one of my machines hangs on boot fsck, because a previous dirty partition/disk is no longer present. 'Ctrl-D to continue or login as root to fix'. anyone know where i can remove that partition from fsck's schedule?
3985 [11:14:17] <ByteStorm> fstab??
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3989 [11:15:38] <at0m> removed it from fstab, indeed, rebooting to check...
3990 [11:16:15] <ByteStorm> cool
3991 [11:16:36] <at0m> ByteStorm: 2 internets to you, fixed it :))
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3994 [11:17:13] <at0m> how hard could it be :D was going through /var/lib to see if fsck had anything there etc
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3996 [11:17:55] <ByteStorm> i thought...thank god im learning now :D
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4010 [11:26:09] <spygrid> anyone have problems with libcurl-dev on Debian 7.11 ? I can't successfully link to libcurl correctly. Yet works fine in Debian 8
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4036 [11:34:06] <spygrid> replaced-url
4037 [11:34:47] <spygrid> curl libs are detected by configure, make menuselect I am able to verify curl libs are found. Yet, CURL function missing
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4039 [11:35:36] <spygrid> I spent almost 80 hours trying to get this working
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4045 [11:38:19] <TomTomTosch> spygrid: did you come across this? replaced-url
4046 [11:38:36] <TomTomTosch> or rather two users with two solutions.
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4064 [11:43:44] <spygrid> TomTomTosch, yes, I did see that one. Thanks
4065 [11:44:41] <spygrid> I wonder why Asterisk went from version 1.8 to 10
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4068 [11:46:11] <no_gravity> How can a script get the external ip of the machine it runs on?
4069 [11:46:28] <no_gravity> I see it in ifconfig but parsing that might be fragile.
4070 [11:47:47] <no_gravity> I don't mean the internet ip. I mean the lan ip. So using a webservice won't work.
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4076 [11:49:20] <TomTomTosch> hostname -I
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4097 [11:56:10] <no_gravity> irc is so unstable...
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4100 [11:56:22] <hexnewbie> I presume there's no way to purge ‘linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64’ without making ‘linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64-unsigned’ unbootable, or even without removing the latter completely?
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4104 [11:57:11] <hexnewbie> Purge failed because it failed to rmdir ‘/lib/modules/4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64/’, and then I had to reinstall the unsigned kernel, because it didn't find any modules
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4106 [11:57:28] <spygrid> no_gravity, irc survived todays DDOS attack
4107 [11:57:49] <no_gravity> spygrid: was there one? link?
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4110 [11:58:14] <spygrid> replaced-url
4111 [11:58:22] <no_gravity> spygrid: everytime my inet connection hickups, my irc connection gets lost and i have to reconnect / ghost / reauthenticate.
4112 [11:58:34] <hexnewbie> no_gravity: They knocked out the ‘whole’ Internet (at least what the world considers Internet nowadays), and you need a link? But I guess that's off-topic.
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4115 [11:59:11] <no_gravity> hexnewbie: Only thing I noticed it that someone from the us said the dns for github did not resolv for him yesterday.
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4117 [11:59:50] <spygrid> no_gravity: what type of router / firewall do you have?
4118 [12:00:09] <no_gravity> spygrid: why?
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4121 [12:00:46] <planetmaker> well, github also seemd transiently offline yesterday from Europe
4122 [12:00:55] <spygrid> no_gravity: there is lot of junk routers, some routers can break 1935 traffic
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4124 [12:01:33] <no_gravity> spygrid: I lost the thread... what are we talking about?
4125 [12:01:55] <no_gravity> Personally I try to figure out a good way how a script can figure out the lan ip of the machine it runs on.
4126 [12:02:20] <hexnewbie> no_gravity: That very much depends on how you define ‘LAN IP’
4127 [12:02:24] <TomTomTosch> no_gravity: hostname -I
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4130 [12:03:11] <no_gravity> TomTomTosch: That give me 127.0.0.1
4131 [12:03:29] <no_gravity> hexnewbie: The ip the machine got assigned by the router.
4132 [12:03:33] <TomTomTosch> with a capital I ?
4133 [12:03:46] <no_gravity> TomTomTosch: YOU BLOODY GENIUS!
4134 [12:03:53] <TomTomTosch> ^^
4135 [12:04:52] <hexnewbie> no_gravity: -I returns all assigned addresses, and if there are several ones, I don't know how you'd tell which is the LAN IP
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4138 [12:05:55] <no_gravity> hexnewbie: I'll figure that out when it breaks.
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4140 [12:06:26] <hexnewbie> If I wanted to get the IP I access the Internet through, I'd abuse routing to Google DNS, and try: ip r get 8.8.8.8 | egrep -o 'src \S+' | awk '{ print $2 }'
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4143 [12:08:01] <no_gravity> "hostname -I" seems to append a space character or somthing.
4144 [12:08:10] <no_gravity> ip=`hostname -I`
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4147 [12:08:23] <no_gravity> ^ now how do I get rid of the space character?
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4162 [12:12:43] <no_gravity> ip=`hostname -I | grep -Eo [0-9.]+`
4163 [12:12:45] <no_gravity> That works(tm)!!
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4181 [12:19:06] <lexa_> hi all
4182 [12:19:14] <lexa_> help install driver ati
4183 [12:19:44] <at0m> !ati
4184 [12:19:45] <dpkg> Where possible, most ATI/AMD graphics processing units are supported using the open source "radeon" driver on Debian systems by default, ask me about <radeon>. To install the proprietary "fglrx" driver, ask me about <fglrx>; installing this directly from amd.com (i.e. with the AMD Catalyst installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati on irc.freenode.net.
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4190 [12:20:32] <lexa_> fglrx virus repo delete is kde-desk
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4192 [12:20:37] <lexa_> help
4193 [12:20:39] <lexa_> repo
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4195 [12:20:57] <lexa_> trisqel
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4199 [12:21:38] <lexa_> Linux lexa-To-be-filled-by-O-E-M 3.13.0-100-lowlatency #147+7.0trisquel2 SMP PREEMPT Thu Oct 20 10:47:19 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
4200 [12:21:56] <lexa_> glxgears
4201 [12:21:57] <lexa_> 3510 frames in 5.0 seconds = 701.083 FPS
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4204 [12:22:16] <lexa_> opengl error efekt kde
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4207 [12:22:38] <spar01101011> lexa_, don't panic
4208 [12:23:55] <hexnewbie> Which systemd unit mounts /run on Jessie?
4209 [12:24:43] <hexnewbie> I suspect some services are started before /run, but I have no idea what to grep for in journalctl
4210 [12:24:59] <lexa_> how to find out
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4213 [12:26:00] <lexa_> Linux lexa-To-be-filled-by-O-E-M 3.13.0-100-lowlatency #147+7.0trisquel2 SMP PREEMPT Thu Oct 20 10:47:19 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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4219 [12:28:50] <hexnewbie> lexa_: That's not Debian. Also, Trisquel is a FSF-anointed distro that includes no traces of proprietary software of any kind, using proprietary fglrx on it is counter to using Trisquel in the first place. And you don't usually need it - ATI works with the free drivers just fine, as the dpkg bit above suggests.
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4222 [12:30:03] <hexnewbie> lexa_: And you may try one of: #trisquel ati linux
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4226 [12:30:34] <hexnewbie> lexa_: Er, that's #ati (not ##ati), sorry. (Confusing.)
4227 [12:30:50] <lexa_> and how to turn the cube kde
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4229 [12:31:50] <lexa_> opengl no
4230 [12:32:18] <spar01101011> need advice: im running with backports kernel, systemd and nvidia. Its giving me hell when compiling as the dev libraries are tied into former mentions packages. Im wondering if SID is reasonably stable as a substitute for the backports solution.
4231 [12:32:24] <spygrid> hexnewbie, what proprietary software does debian come with? (excluding firmware-nonfree)
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4233 [12:32:49] <lexa_> yes
4234 [12:32:50] <morf> /13/13
4235 [12:33:01] <lexa_> install error
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4240 [12:33:41] <hexnewbie> spygrid: Ask FSF ( replaced-url
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4243 [12:34:20] <lexa_> all distro virus hdd space gnome is cool kde fack
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4245 [12:34:38] <lexa_> debian virus
4246 [12:34:44] <hexnewbie> lexa_: That's Trisquel, not Debian. And I suspect the issue *is* Trisquel - it doesn't have firmware for your ATI card, deliberately.
4247 [12:34:52] <lexa_> show a virus?
4248 [12:35:01] <spygrid> stallman would be the man if he wasn't so pussy to tell the truth
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4250 [12:35:33] <lexa_> f1 ?
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4253 [12:36:19] <hexnewbie> OK, so what are the possible reasons I get this during boot: courier-imap[XXXX]: Starting Courier IMAP server: imapd/var/run/courier/imapd.pid.lock: No such file or directory
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4256 [12:38:01] <spygrid> was courier configured/deconfigured to use a chroot ?
4257 [12:38:07] <spygrid> or is that a systemd message?
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4260 [12:38:51] <lexa_> who do know why you can not add debian repository graphically
4261 [12:39:03] <hexnewbie> spygrid: That's a message in journalctl, yes. It happens on some boots, and doesn't happen on other boots. Courier starts after boot
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4263 [12:39:17] <hexnewbie> spygrid: I mean, I can start it manually after it fails.
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4268 [12:40:10] <hexnewbie> I'm not familiar with Courier's ability chroot, ‘fgrep -ir chroot /etc/courier’ reveals nothing
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4270 [12:41:24] <hexnewbie> I presently added ‘systemctl start courier-imap’, etc in rc.local, which makes it only the fifth service there. And I'm trying to figure out what's preventing services from starting.
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4272 [12:42:08] <spygrid> what about systemctl enable courier-imap instead of using rc.local
4273 [12:42:21] <hexnewbie> spygrid: It *is* enabled.
4274 [12:42:59] <spygrid> perhaps its trying to started TWICE during boot?
4275 [12:43:04] <spygrid> or in parallel rather
4276 [12:43:32] <spygrid> remove from rc.local ? same error?
4277 [12:43:50] <hexnewbie> Well, I just added it to rc.local, it wasn't there when I last booted :)
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4280 [12:45:05] <hexnewbie> I'm trying to figure out at what time /run was mounted, but I don't know what to look for in journalctl
4281 [12:45:31] <spygrid> god systemd such a load of junk
4282 [12:45:46] <hexnewbie> I see that courier-authdaemon is started *after* courier-imap fails, which may be the problem.
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4286 [12:47:40] <hexnewbie> Ugh, yeah, that's the issue. courier-authdaemon runs mkdir /var/run/courier
4287 [12:48:37] <spygrid> might be related replaced-url
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4289 [12:49:01] <judd> Bug replaced-url
4290 [12:49:17] <hexnewbie> Thanks. I'd probably edit the init scripts.
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4344 [13:13:04] <CppisME> not authorized to perform operation ubuntu.... anyone had this before? i cant mount the second hdd
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4347 [13:15:33] <spar01101011> CppisME, what is the precise error message?
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4361 [13:20:14] <CppisME> hi spar01101011 , one second ill load it up
4362 [13:21:14] <CppisME> "Failed to mount not authorized to perform operation"
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4366 [13:22:39] <spar01101011> CppisME, command line or gui?
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4370 [13:23:18] <CppisME> gui
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4372 [13:24:54] <spar01101011> CppisME, have you checked and tried this: replaced-url
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4377 [13:28:26] <CppisME> which part ? its like everyone throwing in different suggestions
4378 [13:28:46] <CppisME> the second hdd is an internal drive
4379 [13:29:04] <CppisME> he current system auto mounts all other typs of usb sticks and usb hdd
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4381 [13:29:58] <spar01101011> CppisME, is it a nvme drive?
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4383 [13:30:27] <CppisME> whats that
4384 [13:32:01] <spar01101011> its a "NVM Express". type: "sudo fdisk -l" and check if it says something like "/dev/nvme0n1" at the second drive
4385 [13:32:29] <spar01101011> its a type of ssd
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4387 [13:33:20] <spar01101011> CppisME, and: have you tried mounting it manually with sudo?
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4391 [13:34:55] <candidat__> which debian iso should i take if i have an i7 intel cpu ?
4392 [13:35:11] <candidat__> amd64 ?
4393 [13:35:37] <spar01101011> candidat__, yup
4394 [13:35:44] <candidat__> ty
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4400 [13:38:17] <gebruiker> my debian is running so good that I am bored
4401 [13:39:01] <spygrid> gebruiker, which version ?
4402 [13:39:10] <spar01101011> gebruiker, not running on new hw then
4403 [13:39:29] <babilen> gebruiker: Most people would consider that to be a good thing and work on something real
4404 [13:39:40] <babilen> (i.e. not fixing their system)
4405 [13:39:47] <julius_> aZz7eCh, i got virtualbox up and running, extensions are installed and i can see my usb device as removeable media inside the vbox
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4407 [13:40:00] <spar01101011> babilen, the danger of linux -> config creep
4408 [13:40:06] <julius_> aZz7eCh, but rufus does not detect any devices....which version did you use?
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4410 [13:40:29] <gebruiker> spygrid: jessie only thing i changed was the kernel, compiled my own with CK and BFQ
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4412 [13:40:57] <julius_> gebruiker, try making a bootable usb stick for a windows install in linux....that will keep you occupied
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4414 [13:41:17] <gebruiker> spar01101011: it is a couple of years old I guess. Celeron 2.6 ghz SMP. ATI Radeon hd 5450
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4419 [13:42:34] <gebruiker> julius_: lol i tried winusb with windows 10. Ran xubuntu previously but sucked too much
4420 [13:42:50] <gebruiker> babilen: hmm i am trying to figure out what I should do
4421 [13:42:57] <spar01101011> gebruiker, love it when deb works out of the box. ^^
4422 [13:43:27] <gebruiker> spar01101011: ah yeah i also installed fontconfig infinality because default fontconfig is not good
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4425 [13:43:30] <spar01101011> gebruiker, contribute to an open source project.
4426 [13:43:31] <gebruiker> but other than that super
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4429 [13:43:43] <gebruiker> hmm I have no coding skills
4430 [13:43:59] <iflema> take up haskell
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4432 [13:44:30] <spar01101011> gebruiker, great place to get them. You will learn to write coherently and be a team player. Unlike me ^^
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4435 [13:45:26] <gebruiker> checking it out now spar01101011
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4437 [13:46:36] <spar01101011> CppisME, did you solve your problem?
4438 [13:47:19] <at0m> gebruiker: replaced-url
4439 [13:47:28] <at0m> plenty things to do =)
4440 [13:48:09] <julius_> aZz7eCh, ah maybe i shouldnt run rufus from the target device
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4445 [13:49:47] <spar01101011> at0m, imo code skills is priority
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4448 [13:52:08] <CppisME> spar01101011, no i havent solced it
4449 [13:52:11] <CppisME> :(
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4451 [13:52:50] <spar01101011> CppisME, did you try to mount i from the command line with root priviledges?
4452 [13:53:04] <CppisME> hgow do i do that ?
4453 [13:53:22] <CppisME> i did with root
4454 [13:53:32] <CppisME> but i dont know the I thing
4455 [13:53:55] <spar01101011> CppisME, typo i -> it
4456 [13:54:01] <cruncher> julius_, i saw you wanted to do the usb boot of windows, still wanting?
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4460 [13:54:34] <CppisME> ive tried so many things i dont even know where to start again
4461 [13:54:39] <at0m> spar01101011: he said he doesn't code. that'll take years.
4462 [13:54:49] <CppisME> i want to deleete the hdd and start again, but it wont even let ,me dpo that now
4463 [13:54:52] <julius_> cruncher, yes, im currently witing for rufus to finish writing the image onto the stick
4464 [13:55:10] <julius_> cruncher, installed a windows inside a virtualbox...sad but maybe it works
4465 [13:56:13] <cruncher> julius_, having windows is the easiest way
4466 [13:56:26] <julius_> probably
4467 [13:56:46] <julius_> still wondering why theres no "easy" way todo this from linux
4468 [13:56:56] <spar01101011> CppisME, delete? try to install gnome-disk-utility , its ok easy to use. For command line mounting check this out: replaced-url
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4471 [13:58:37] <julius_> CppisME, you can boot the ubuntu/debian installer and do it from there
4472 [13:58:37] <spar01101011> at0m, worth it :)
4473 [13:58:50] <cruncher> why should linux make installing windows easy? ;-)
4474 [13:58:56] <julius_> CppisME, try your local linux user group for support that can look over your shoulder
4475 [13:59:02] <julius_> cruncher, true
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4479 [13:59:22] <julius_> cruncher, its just that theres usually a way
4480 [13:59:24] <cruncher> na, i was halfly joking, dont take that question seriously :)
4481 [14:00:07] <cruncher> julius_, but if you are interested, a quick solution: basically you format the usb stick with ntfs, copy all iso contents inside, mark partition on usb stick active, and run bootsect /nt60 E: (where e: is your drive)
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4484 [14:00:17] <cruncher> and thats all of windows "support" im going to give in this channel :)
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4488 [14:00:33] <julius_> yes,..maybe if rufus fails
4489 [14:01:12] <CppisME> i dont have any other that
4490 [14:01:17] <CppisME> i just installed it today
4491 [14:01:29] <CppisME> but thanks for the advice
4492 [14:01:31] <julius_> its just that i got my hands on a gfx card yesterday and till then im trying to install windows :(
4493 [14:02:06] <cruncher> you mean since then
4494 [14:02:17] <julius_> CppisME, if you want to reinstall after one day might i suggest to use virtualbox from windows and run linux as a guest
4495 [14:02:21] <cruncher> why? is the card not supported on debian?
4496 [14:02:30] <jayaura> Hi, I am having issues with the virtualbox from the debian jessie repo. i cant find vboxdrv.sh script. Since I am runing it on a vps, i need to manually build the driver.
4497 [14:02:31] <julius_> cruncher, games are not supported :)
4498 [14:02:48] <cruncher> julius_, that statement is not entirely true ;-)
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4500 [14:02:59] <spar01101011> julius_, i think you are sidetracking CppisME a bit now.
4501 [14:03:05] <julius_> jayaura, dpkg -L virtualbox should list the package content
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4503 [14:03:16] <julius_> spar01101011, oh sorry
4504 [14:03:17] <jayaura> julius_, thanks, let me check
4505 [14:03:35] <cruncher> i few days ago i checked for some games support, and was surprised to see how many games are able (without any trouble) to play on linux
4506 [14:04:10] <julius_> cruncher, yes there are games....but in the first person shooter genre if you want decent frames (and you always need more) a emulation is not a option
4507 [14:04:21] <julius_> cruncher, quake3 had a very nice port...that worked as well as on windows
4508 [14:04:35] <cruncher> julius_, not talking about emulation even, steam i.e
4509 [14:04:53] <spar01101011> lots of games on gog.com and steam
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4511 [14:05:15] <cruncher> but yes, some games have issues, but dont forget there are even linux binaries for some games to run natively
4512 [14:06:32] <cruncher> CppisME, what do you want to do? you want to mount or delete a hd?
4513 [14:06:36] <jayaura> julius_, that file doesnt exist. Looks like I need to install from upstream. Debian devs seems to have removed the script and put the required headers into virtualbox-dkms. unfortunately the kernel I'm running is not in the repo. so install will faile
4514 [14:06:50] <jayaura> julius_, thanks for the hint
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4518 [14:08:34] <julius_> jayaura, start with a default kernel if at all possible....and then derivate
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4522 [14:11:52] <julius_> finally...a useable windows stick...THAT took some doing
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4529 [14:15:38] <CppisME> cruncher, yes. but now i think i just killed it i cant login now
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4531 [14:15:44] <CppisME> f**K
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4534 [14:16:33] <spar01101011> CppisME, what did you do?
4535 [14:17:00] <CppisME> now when i enter my pw in, it kkeeps going back to the gui asking for the password.
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4541 [14:19:55] <spar01101011> CppisME, what did you do?
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4543 [14:20:27] <CppisME> if i knew that i could fix it lol
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4549 [14:20:53] <CppisME> i was fidleing around with trying to get the 2nd hdd to mount
4550 [14:21:05] <spar01101011> CppisME, rly? did you mess with partitions?
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4552 [14:21:52] <CppisME> and i read one person article said that possible the auto login was the culrit. iso i did what they said and went in through command line and changed to not auto log in, but now i cant even login at all
4553 [14:21:56] <CppisME> *Sigh*
4554 [14:22:17] <cruncher> CppisME, did you play with /etc/passwd?
4555 [14:22:55] <CppisME> no
4556 [14:22:56] <cruncher> CppisME, anyway, press control+alt+f1, then login, then we can help you further
4557 [14:22:59] <CppisME> i think it was fstab
4558 [14:23:12] <cruncher> you "think" :)
4559 [14:23:24] <CppisME> i cant remember
4560 [14:23:29] <CppisME> i was trying so many things
4561 [14:23:31] <cruncher> a good advice, dont just do something becasue you read it somewhere :)
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4563 [14:23:52] <cruncher> but as is said, login in tty1 and then talk to us
4564 [14:23:59] <cruncher> we want to help you
4565 [14:24:06] <cruncher> :)
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4570 [14:24:53] <jelly> CppisME: which debian release is this again, and which desktop environment?
4571 [14:26:17] <CppisME> trisquel
4572 [14:26:33] <CppisME> it had lxde at first and about 2 hours ago i install the xfce4
4573 [14:26:36] <jelly> um, that's a different distro
4574 [14:26:47] <CppisME> but in both the 2nd hdd was not mounting and gave the same error messages
4575 [14:26:53] <jelly> can you reproduce this with an actual debian installation?
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4579 [14:27:21] <CppisME> trisquel i think uses deb
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4581 [14:27:44] <CppisME> atcuall more closley to ubuntu
4582 [14:28:00] <jelly> we don't know what kinds of changes the authors did, makes it unsupportable in here
4583 [14:28:04] <jelly> !trisquel
4584 [14:28:05] <dpkg> Trisquel is a Spanish distribution initially based on Debian, now Ubuntu. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
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4590 [14:29:59] <jelly> if you installed debian, people in here would know your starting point and be better equipped to help
4591 [14:30:16] <CppisME> fair enough
4592 [14:30:29] <CppisME> i just came in here because it was similar
4593 [14:30:32] <CppisME> but i understand
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4596 [14:31:09] <jelly> try their channel, #trisquel apparently, or the generic ##linux
4597 [14:31:09] <CppisME> it doesnt matter now, im doing a fresh install as we speak. atleast it will be quicker this time as now i have a bit of an idea of hwow to get xfce back on etc
4598 [14:31:28] <CppisME> ok. many thanks ")
4599 [14:31:43] <CppisME> see you
4600 [14:34:41] <spar01101011> CppisME, you can always install debian and come back.
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4602 [14:35:10] <CppisME> lol
4603 [14:35:25] <CppisME> i had debian with the xfce it was nice as well
4604 [14:35:38] <CppisME> however im after the free libre version
4605 [14:35:42] <CppisME> of lniux
4606 [14:35:46] <CppisME> gnu linux
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4609 [14:36:23] <spar01101011> CppisME, well you can run debian as free as you want
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4611 [14:36:52] <hexnewbie> The main repository of Debian is free, any non-free bits of the kernel should be in linux-firmware-nonfree which is not in main, and I don't even know what Trisquel's linux-libre gives you on top of that.
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4613 [14:38:04] <CppisME> why isnt debian listed on the gnu.org website ?
4614 [14:38:25] <atralheaven_> Hi, I want to create a user on my server only for using it to have ssh proxy, so this user should be as limited as possible for security reasons. how should this user be created? thanks
4615 [14:39:12] <spar01101011> CppisME, bc. Richard is pissed that debian allows access to non-free repos per default
4616 [14:39:29] <hexnewbie> CppisME: Politics. It has a non-free and contrib repositories, hence it is promoting the use of non-free software.
4617 [14:39:37] <hexnewbie> Or something
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4620 [14:40:19] <hexnewbie> atralheaven_: SSH proxy? Would the user be connecting over SSH?
4621 [14:40:20] <CppisME> correct
4622 [14:40:32] <CppisME> but the trisquel solves that issue
4623 [14:40:40] <CppisME> thats why i started to use it
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4625 [14:40:58] <CppisME> anyway i dont want to start any issues in the website
4626 [14:41:11] <CppisME> i was just coming in here to chat and see if i could get any help
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4628 [14:41:25] <CppisME> i understand what you mentioned re: support
4629 [14:41:30] <CppisME> its all good
4630 [14:41:31] <spar01101011> CppisME, its an imaginary issue. Debian is the best of both worlds. You are free to use what you want.
4631 [14:41:45] <atralheaven_> hexnewbie: ssh tunnel, -D option. the user on the server side should not be able to do anything, and it should only be used to connect to ssh for using ssh as proxy
4632 [14:42:58] <CppisME> spar01101011, yes i do like debian as well. i just also liiek trisquel its quite nice as well
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4634 [14:43:05] <hexnewbie> atralheaven_: Are you following a manual for that? Typically, the SSH daemon options (and possibly the .authorized_keys entries) is what you need, and those should be detailed in the manual.
4635 [14:43:28] <CppisME> i was just setting this old computer up so i can put xfce on it. so i could give it to my mum for basic webbrowsing
4636 [14:43:44] <spar01101011> CppisME, im sure it is. :)
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4638 [14:43:59] <hexnewbie> atralheaven_: Making sure the shell is /bin/false for the user may be enough
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4640 [14:44:34] <hexnewbie> atralheaven_: I have not tested these, but they may help: replaced-url
4641 [14:44:44] <atralheaven_> hexnewbie: does that user need home directory?
4642 [14:45:08] <hexnewbie> atralheaven_: One doesn't hurt, and you'd need one if authorized_keys is used
4643 [14:45:32] <spar01101011> CppisME, (sorry channel) when i set up machines for non-technical users its usually an Ubuntu derivative.
4644 [14:46:16] <atralheaven_> hexnewbie: oh right, its needed for keys! im going to test it, thanks :)
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4648 [14:47:55] <CppisME> spar01101011, trisquel would also be a derivative of ubuntu :)
4649 [14:50:05] <spar01101011> CppisME, ah i see. :)
4650 [14:50:11] <CppisME> :)
4651 [14:50:34] <CppisME> i thnk they deblob th eubuntu
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4792 [16:06:37] <claus> ciao
4793 [16:06:53] <claus> !list
4794 [16:06:53] <dpkg> claus: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi replaced-url
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4918 [17:13:15] <tobiasBora> Hello,
4919 [17:13:23] <tobiasBora> In unstable, iceweasel is now firefox ?
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4923 [17:13:47] <SpeedyG> in stable too :)
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4925 [17:14:04] <tobiasBora> All right. That's why iceweasel isn't updated anymore ?
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4927 [17:14:22] <tobiasBora> But I don't understand why the package isn't just removed, or at least point to firefox
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4929 [17:14:45] <tobiasBora> because I just realize today that I got an old version of firefox just because I got iceweasel installed...
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4931 [17:14:55] <SpeedyG> replaced-url
4932 [17:15:07] <khudher_> Hello, I have an issue, i cant shut down my laptop (it hangs)
4933 [17:15:09] <jmcnaught> tobiasBora: do you mean firefox-esr?
4934 [17:15:34] <jmcnaught> khudher_: which Debian release? how are you trying to shut it down?
4935 [17:15:42] <khudher_> the problem is that, it doesnt happen 'always', it does happen sometimes (when i use my laptop for a long time)
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4937 [17:15:51] <khudher_> debian stretch, but i had the same issue with jessie
4938 [17:15:54] <khudher_> i suspect of wrong drivers
4939 [17:16:00] <jmcnaught> !debian-next
4940 [17:16:00] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
4941 [17:16:06] <khudher_> i don't know how to troubleshoot
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4943 [17:16:23] <tobiasBora> jmcnaught: Not sure to follow you. I've iceweasel 45.4, which is quite buggy
4944 [17:16:48] <SpeedyG> tobiasBora: read the link I just posted
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4946 [17:17:40] <jmcnaught> tobiasBora: firefox-esr is the enterprise support release of firefox, it gets security and bug fixes, but no new features until the next ESR
4947 [17:17:43] <SpeedyG> it's Firefox-ESR 45.4 now...
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4953 [17:19:46] <tobiasBora> jmcnaught: All right. So iceweasel/firefox-esr is supposed to be stable, while firefox.real is the new firefox. If I remove iceaweasel package, will /usr/bin/firefox point onto firefox.real ?
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4955 [17:21:23] <jmcnaught> tobiasBora: if you're on unstable please start going #debian-next on OFTC for support. You'll need to figure out the difference between the firefox and firefox-esr packages, and the meta package dependencies may be different than they are on stable
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4958 [17:22:12] <tobiasBora> I'm not allowed to go on this channel
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4960 [17:22:48] <jmcnaught> !tell tobiasBora about debian-next
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4963 [17:23:26] <tobiasBora> Thank you !
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5058 [18:06:48] <be00e> Hey
5059 [18:07:01] <veek> what does this mean 'Could u make a PR for Debian? I have only a Ubuntu VM set up yet, so I cannot test the setup on Debian.'
5060 [18:07:08] <Walex> tobiasBora: if you use the 'unstable' archive or 'testing' archive you are supposed to be a Debian guru with in depth knowledge of packaging and bug finding...
5061 [18:07:12] <be00e> I'm looking for a good OCR. I have installed OCRFeeder, and tesseract however it doesn't work effectively.
5062 [18:07:23] <veek> pull request?
5063 [18:07:29] <Walex> be00e: that's an interesting issue.
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5065 [18:07:53] <be00e> replaced-url
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5067 [18:08:26] <Walex> be00e: in my experience the best free software engines are 'tesseract' and 'cuneiform' and one works best with same texts and the other with some others.
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5069 [18:09:25] <Walex> be00e: note that both 'tesseract' and 'cuneiform' are not OCR applications, they are OCR *engines*, they don't do things like spell-checking to clean up.
5070 [18:09:33] <sm00th> I think the apper in kde shouldn't ask for root password if user already sudo'd for updates
5071 [18:09:43] <sm00th> isn't that a security risk?
5072 [18:09:55] <be00e> Walex, Would a spell check fix what is in the screen shot?
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5074 [18:10:01] <tobiasBora> Walex: Actually I don't mind looking for bugs when it occurs (I occasionnaly have ones when I upgrade), and I'm very happy with my debian unstable, which is not that unstable.
5075 [18:10:07] <sm00th> should just ask for user passwd
5076 [18:10:11] <Walex> be00e: your screenshot shows that your text image is of pooor quality
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5078 [18:10:53] <Walex> be00e: it is quite fuzzy. It is best to have higher resolution, high contrast text.
5079 [18:11:08] <Walex> be00e: OCR is *very* sensitive to text image quality.
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5091 [18:13:31] <jmcnaught> sm00th: please don't /msg people
5092 [18:13:41] <sm00th> hahah
5093 [18:13:51] <sm00th> i left the sm00th's in there just for you
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5095 [18:14:01] <Walex> be00e: I tend to use 200DPI with fairly high contrast.
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5097 [18:14:14] <Walex> be00e: too high a DPI however is a problem.
5098 [18:14:36] <sm00th> Walex, take this to offtopic this is not debian specific
5099 [18:14:42] * sm00th salutes jmcnaught
5100 [18:14:51] <sm00th> hail
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5111 [18:21:35] <SuperDuperDevil> i want to move all files from /home/user/folder to /home/user/downloads/folder, is there a way i can work with wildcards or something to make it faster
5112 [18:21:39] <alexgr> about to install OBS (Open Broadcast Studio).. any tips ? or should I just dive in :)
5113 [18:21:41] <SuperDuperDevil> then doing it 1-for-1
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5119 [18:22:43] <SuperDuperDevil> ***they are in subfolders /home/user/folder/movies, /home/user/folder/games, etc.
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5123 [18:23:25] <jelly> SuperDuperDevil: is the destination folder empty?
5124 [18:23:33] <SuperDuperDevil> yes
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5126 [18:23:57] <jelly> SuperDuperDevil: are both source and destination on the same filesystem?
5127 [18:24:09] <SuperDuperDevil> yes
5128 [18:24:28] <jelly> then do not move files, move the whole directory with a single mv command
5129 [18:24:43] <SuperDuperDevil> ja okay, but how does deluge know
5130 [18:24:44] <SuperDuperDevil> oops
5131 [18:24:47] <SuperDuperDevil> false channel
5132 [18:24:54] <jelly> rmdir /home/user/downloads/folder && mv /home/user/folder /home/user/downloads/
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5136 [18:25:07] <SuperDuperDevil> nana was a deluge specific question, im in the wrong channel, sorry
5137 [18:25:21] <jelly> np
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5140 [18:26:08] <humbot> rmdir ?!
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5173 [18:37:17] <jubo2> Hiya..'
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5175 [18:37:27] <jubo2> Noticed the 3.16 kernel was updated
5176 [18:37:38] <jubo2> do I need to reboot the servers for it to take effect
5177 [18:37:46] <jubo2> newb question, I know I know
5178 [18:37:59] <nyuszika7h> I'm getting this on "sudo apt-get update" (currently on wheezy, trying to upgrade to jessie): replaced-url
5179 [18:38:06] <nyuszika7h> jubo2: yes, you need to reboot to update the kernel
5180 [18:38:21] <jubo2> ok.. I'll inform the users
5181 [18:38:38] <nyuszika7h> (there are tricks like kexec / ksplice to avoid rebooting but it's not that simple)
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5197 [18:45:42] <sm00th> /join #freenode
5198 [18:45:45] <sm00th> haha
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5287 [19:21:18] <Guest42098> How do I get a list of packages isntalled from repositories other than debian?
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5295 [19:23:46] <TomTomTosch> Guest42098: aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?not(?origin(Debian)))'
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5298 [19:24:37] <TomTomTosch> note that this also shows packages that are no longer in the debian repo but were when you installed them. so you might want to update your system first.
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5312 [19:29:30] <Guest42098> TomTomTosch: worked thanks. Also is fakeroot broken?
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5314 [19:30:04] <TomTomTosch> not that i know of. if you describe your problem someone might be able to help you.
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5324 [19:34:26] <Guest42098> I am running " fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-custom kernel_image kernel_headers " but as a return I get : "getopt: onbekende optie '--initrd'" and "getopt: onbekende optie '--append-to-version=-custom'". Followed by : " fakeroot, create a fake root environment. usage: fakeroot [-l|--lib fakerootlib] [-f|--faked fakedbin] ...... "
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5330 [19:37:15] <jmcnaught> !kernel handbook
5331 [19:37:15] <dpkg> The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook replaced-url
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5336 [19:38:03] <jmcnaught> Guest42098: see the above guide. it shows you how to do the newer "make deb-pkg"
5337 [19:38:30] <Guest42098> oh ok
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5353 [19:44:19] <hussein> looking for :working grub2 menuentry to boot and install debian 8.3 from hdd
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5359 [19:45:30] <Guest42098> jmcnaught: what replacement is there with make deb-pkg for adding a different version or name to it if one is recompiling the kernel with i.e different settings
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5364 [19:46:17] <jmcnaught> Guest42098: you'll need to refer to the other portions of the kernel handbook or wait for someone more familiar with custom kernels
5365 [19:46:49] <hussein> looking for :working grub2 menuentry to boot and install debian 8.3 from hdd
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5372 [19:50:49] <tippy> hey everyone, does anyone know how to fix laptop volume keys not affecting the volume? It shows a little volume pop-up that changes, but I have to manually change the volume in whatever software i'm using
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5374 [19:51:25] <teraflops> tippy: how many sound cards so you have?
5375 [19:51:28] <teraflops> do*
5376 [19:51:46] <jmcnaught> hussein: why not boot from the install on a USB stick?
5377 [19:52:11] <tippy> lspci returns "Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40)"
5378 [19:52:19] <hussein> i like this way
5379 [19:52:41] <teraflops> tippy: if you are doing pulseaudio try pactl set-default-sink ^tab to autocomplete
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5381 [19:53:20] <jmcnaught> hussein: it's in the install manual section 4.4 and 5.1.5
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5383 [19:53:44] <hussein> they dont work
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5385 [19:54:24] <tippy> teraflops: Well god-damn that worked like a charm
5386 [19:54:35] <tippy> Thank you so much
5387 [19:54:49] <hussein> looking for :working grub2 menuentry to boot and install debian 8.3 from hdd
5388 [19:54:49] <teraflops> tippy: also are you doing/have hdmi
5389 [19:54:54] <teraflops> ^?
5390 [19:55:01] <teraflops> tippy: np
5391 [19:55:05] <tippy> what is the default sink?
5392 [19:55:20] <jmcnaught> hussein: please show us exactly what you tried and the way it does not work (take a picture of your screen if necessary)
5393 [19:55:21] <tippy> I do have HDMI but I didn't think that was the issue because I was still getting sound
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5395 [19:55:25] <teraflops> the one you want to be the default :P
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5397 [19:55:38] <teraflops> tippy: yeah that was the issue
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5400 [19:56:03] <tippy> I guess what I mean is, were the buttons changing the volume of a different output then?
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5402 [19:56:27] <tippy> because if the default audio out was something different, I would've had no sound
5403 [19:57:21] <teraflops> tippy: youre just saying that the default one is the one you especify so the xf86media keys points to that one
5404 [19:57:46] <teraflops> idk if explained my self right, sorry
5405 [19:57:54] <hussein> i did these ones but non of them worked
5406 [19:57:54] <hussein> menuentry "Debian Jessie (stable)" {
5407 [19:57:54] <hussein> insmod part_gpt
5408 [19:57:54] <hussein> set isofile='/debian-8.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso'
5409 [19:57:54] <hussein> set initrdfile='/hd.initrd.gz'
5410 [19:57:54] <hussein> loopback loop (hd1,gpt4)$isofile
5411 [19:57:54] <hussein> linux (loop)/install.amd/vmlinuz iso-scan/ask_second_pass=true iso-scan/filename=$isofile
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5417 [19:59:44] <teraflops> tippy: you can do the same with e.g pavucontrol
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5419 [20:01:30] <teraflops> no rejoin maybe he thinks he was banned
5420 [20:02:23] <edju> I have jessie installed on 2 machines - a mac and a dell. On the mac, grub offers sysvinit. On the dell, running 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1, no such option. Any advice appreciated.
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5423 [20:03:51] <teraflops> edju: sorry but I dont know what "grub offers sysvinit" means
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5428 [20:05:46] <edju> teraflops, The second option on the grub menu is "Advanced Options" or something like that. When that option is chosen, one is offered to boot with sysvinit.
5429 [20:06:07] <teraflops> oh
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5433 [20:07:50] <teraflops> edju: no idea, maybe take a look at the entry and see what params are passed to the bootloader
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5436 [20:09:34] <awal1> teraflops, I have no access to my jessie now but in grub menu » advanced options there two options: boot with systemd or with sysvinit; default (debian gnu/linux - first entry) is with systemd
5437 [20:10:26] <awal1> at least it was the case when jessie was released; maybe thing have changed with jessie menor updates :P
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5454 [20:15:55] <rcowie> hey chaps, anyone know how I can solve this? - I have a custom image that I love; but it's defaulting to a 600x400 resolution no matter if on a 20" flatscreen or a 50" plasma (according to the TV connected by HDMI the output is VGA?)
5455 [20:16:13] <rcowie> I have tried and tried to change/add something to xrandr - but to no avail - it only sees 'default' and wont allow additions or changes?
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5457 [20:16:16] <rcowie> Can/should I attempt to somehow 'force' a resolution the machine doesnt seem to understand?
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5459 [20:16:53] <jmcnaught> rcowie: what is a custom image?
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5461 [20:17:59] <rcowie> it's a regular distro I have added tons of things to and installed programs etc on
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5463 [20:18:08] <rcowie> sorry :) - bad wording
5464 [20:18:35] <jmcnaught> rcowie: is it Debian or based on Debian?
5465 [20:18:51] <rcowie> Kali - debian based (stripped)
5466 [20:18:59] <jmcnaught> !kali
5467 [20:18:59] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
5468 [20:19:13] <rcowie> But dist-upgraded to include support for various latest Debian 8/Wheezy
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5470 [20:19:33] <rcowie> ahhh - ok :( -sorry guys
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5472 [20:20:21] <awal1> rcowie, the following is even better :P :D
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5474 [20:20:28] <awal1> !based on debian
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5476 [20:20:28] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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5479 [20:21:01] <ctcpme> i cannot figure out for the life of me why setting "ctrl:nocaps" for XKBOPTIONS in /etc/default/keyboard is not taking effect for me
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5482 [20:21:34] <tippy> Where would I get flash for debian Firefox?
5483 [20:21:36] <codfection> !backport
5484 [20:21:36] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
5485 [20:21:37] <ctcpme> i see (**) Option "xkb_options" "ctrl:nocaps" show up in my Xorg.0.log
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5487 [20:22:10] <ctcpme> yet my caps lock key is still caps lock
5488 [20:22:18] <teraflops> awal1: ah I never noticed it
5489 [20:22:44] <awal1> tippy, well, you can use the obsolete flashplugin-nonfree
5490 [20:22:45] <th0r> ctcpme, I change that in .Xmodmap. But I would expect it to be called ctrl:nocapslock or something close
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5492 [20:23:34] <awal1> tippy: you have no other choice if you're using i386
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5497 [20:24:50] <tippy> I'm using amd64
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5501 [20:25:38] <awal1> tippy, so flashplugin-nonfree for firefox or pepperflashplugin-nonfree for chromium
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5505 [20:26:03] <awal1> ,v browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
5506 [20:26:04] <judd> Package: browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.3.5-1~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 0.3.5-1; stretch/contrib: 0.3.5-1
5507 [20:26:28] <awal1> tippy, also try ^
5508 [20:27:02] <awal1> that pkg from backports is for use pepper on firefox
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5562 [20:51:15] <ce_este_psihiatr> psychiatry========================================================================================================================================================== FALSE GOSPEL !
5563 [20:51:38] <th0r> and the ignore list grows again
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5570 [20:53:26] <izua_> it's funny because his name says "what is psychiatry"
5571 [20:53:53] <morf> not this guy againn
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5574 [20:54:20] <izua_> what did he do before?
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5582 [20:55:37] <mrtrump> I formatted /dev/sdc without creating a partitiion
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5585 [20:55:48] <mrtrump> its mounted and working, fine, will it ggive me trouble?
5586 [20:56:59] <ce_este_psihiatr> psychiatry========================================================================================================================================================== FALSE GOSPEL !
5587 [20:57:10] <xand> fuck off ce_este_psihiatr
5588 [20:57:25] <xand> (and see a psychiatrist)
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5590 [20:57:35] <teraflops> xand: just ignore ey
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5592 [20:58:07] <teraflops> mrtrump: are you about to start trolling or it's a legit question?
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5595 [20:58:52] <xand> mrtrump: there should be no problems with that
5596 [20:59:03] <teraflops> mrtrump: partitionless is fine you may encounter issues but I never had any
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5600 [21:00:00] <teraflops> mrtrump: here replaced-url
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5604 [21:01:22] <yann-kaelig> Hi. If i need more uptodate packages on Debian which one should I use, debian testing or debian stable with backports
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5606 [21:02:13] <ce_este_psihiatr> psychiatry========================================================================================================================================================== FALSE GOSPEL !
5607 [21:02:15] <teraflops> mrtrump: replaced-url
5608 [21:02:32] <ptvschkn> Excuse me, can you help me with neutron version in sid? How debian package v2:9.0.0-4 corresponds to neutron version numbers, for which the last supported version is 7.0
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5614 [21:05:31] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, versions neutron
5615 [21:05:33] <judd> No package named 'neutron' was found in amd64.
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5617 [21:06:25] <ptvschkn> oh. excuse me. I should go to #debian-cloud whith this
5618 [21:06:40] <TomTomTosch> ptvschkn: 2: is the epoch, which is used in debian packaging. 9.0.0 is the upstream version. replaced-url
5619 [21:07:32] <TomTomTosch> oops, that's not the same.
5620 [21:07:54] <CutMeOwnThroat> urgh. the package reports replaced-url
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5623 [21:08:39] <ptvschkn> im here. TomTom. Thank you! I get it!
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5627 [21:11:09] <ptvschkn> @TomTomTosch is it same to replaced-url
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5632 [21:12:33] <TomTomTosch> the release notes link to that newton page. which confused me a bit.
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5637 [21:13:16] <ptvschkn> Looks like the version is 9.0.0. Thank's for hel TomTom
5638 [21:13:19] <ptvschkn> help
5639 [21:13:29] <TomTomTosch> no problem.
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5650 [21:16:14] <kehoea> #debian, hello!
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5652 [21:16:23] <kehoea> I am running 8.6 on amd64
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5654 [21:16:41] <kehoea> I have the following at the beginning of my /etc/apt/sources.list
5655 [21:16:42] <kehoea> deb replaced-url
5656 [21:17:00] <kehoea> I would like to upgrade my kernel to avoid the Dirty Cow privilege escalation bug
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5660 [21:17:27] <kehoea> replaced-url
5661 [21:17:28] <kehoea> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
5662 [21:17:34] <mrtrump> <---super happy with usb3 working under debian
5663 [21:17:34] <mrtrump> :)
5664 [21:17:40] <mrtrump> 5x faster
5665 [21:17:44] <kehoea> this, unfortunately, does not result in a non-vulnerable kernel being installed
5666 [21:17:47] <mrtrump> probly disk limit
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5668 [21:18:42] <missmbob> kehoea: it was fixed a couple of days ago. maybe you upgraded then and didn't notice? what version do you have? see this replaced-url
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5676 [21:20:31] <kehoea> missmbob, 3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64
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5678 [21:21:06] <kehoea> which is less than 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 , as far as I can see
5679 [21:21:23] <kehoea> I didn't upgrade then
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5681 [21:21:35] <missmbob> kehoea: no. replaced-url
5682 [21:21:45] <missmbob> kehoea: look at the ()
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5686 [21:22:40] <kehoea> ah, right, I beg your pardon, I do see that in the uname -a output
5687 [21:22:44] <kehoea> thank you!
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5689 [21:23:07] <zumba_addict> afternoon folks, i tried the dirty cow vulnerability on my debian and it worked but after few seconds, I can no longer access it. It froze. How did Debian prevented it?
5690 [21:23:10] <zumba_addict> that is cool
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5696 [21:26:17] <TheLawyer> what is the difference between Debian-8.2.0 and Debian-8.5.0
5697 [21:26:42] <TheLawyer> which one should I keep to try first debian installation?
5698 [21:27:10] <missmbob> mostly security updates
5699 [21:27:20] <missmbob> always install the latest stable. which is 8.6 right now
5700 [21:27:28] <TheLawyer> so I better keep Debian-8.5.0
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5702 [21:27:49] <TheLawyer> it's not for production ... just trying different distro
5703 [21:27:59] <D630> anyone having bash-completion_2.1-4.3_all.deb installed and getting errors when using "dbus-update-activation-environment --systemd --all"?
5704 [21:28:01] <missmbob> huh?
5705 [21:28:10] <missmbob> oh, right
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5729 [21:42:44] <jim> is this the right sources line for jessie security?: deb replaced-url
5730 [21:43:17] <missmbob> yes
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5740 [21:47:52] <_44trent_> so i'm pretty sure my sources list is screwed up
5741 [21:48:00] <_44trent_> is there any way to make it the default?
5742 [21:48:16] <missmbob> !jessie sources.list
5743 [21:48:17] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
5744 [21:48:30] <jim> thanks... I'm having trouble finding the right kernel image package for the patch for CVE-2016-5195... replaced-url
5745 [21:48:40] <_44trent_> thanks
5746 [21:49:03] <missmbob> jim: what does uname -a output in its entirety?
5747 [21:49:05] <_44trent_> got all screwed up because I couldn't get my wifi firmware to work and since I used the DVD i figured I didn't need to be wired to the router while installing
5748 [21:49:45] <jim> Linux orie64 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.7.2-1~bpo8+1 (2016-09-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux
5749 [21:49:59] <missmbob> jim: have you update/upgrade/reboot?
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5752 [21:50:29] <jim> I know if I want the fix I have to go back to 3.16
5753 [21:50:38] <jim> I didn't update yet
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5756 [21:51:57] <missmbob> jim: you're behind on the jessie-backports. linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 (4.7.5-1~bpo8+2)
5757 [21:52:25] <_44trent_> i ran "sudo apt update" after doing that and it can't find an ip
5758 [21:52:35] <missmbob> lunch time. bbl
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5760 [21:52:45] <jim> did they put the rt patch on?
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5762 [21:53:04] <jim> have a good lunch
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5764 [21:53:16] <_44trent_> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
5765 [21:53:33] <_44trent_> can I have the ftp links instead of the http ones for the sources list?
5766 [21:53:56] <dvs> _44trent_, http and ftp doesn't matter.
5767 [21:54:05] <_44trent_> yeah except it can't find an IP
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5769 [21:54:11] <_44trent_> is something down?
5770 [21:54:28] <dvs> _44trent_, deb.debian.org is not the right address
5771 [21:54:46] <_44trent_> you know i somehow figured it was something like that
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5776 [21:55:17] <_44trent_> uh no, that's the right link
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5778 [21:55:21] <dvs> _44trent_, httpredir.debian.org is better
5779 [21:55:26] <_44trent_> okay
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5784 [21:56:47] <_44trent_> yeah, same thing, just with the different url
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5787 [21:57:27] <_44trent_> my sources.list is here: replaced-url
5788 [21:57:33] <_44trent_> is there anything wrong with it
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5793 [21:59:31] <dvs> _44trent_, you should add security to it: deb replaced-url
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5797 [22:01:14] <_44trent_> nope still failing on 2 URLs
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5799 [22:01:29] <_44trent_> There's something else wrong, the list looks fine
5800 [22:01:30] <missmbob> you're missing the /debian
5801 [22:01:43] <missmbob> just make it look exactly like this. delete everything you have. replaced-url
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5807 [22:03:30] <_44trent_> there
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5809 [22:04:09] <missmbob> dont make me interrupt my lunch again ;)
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5814 [22:05:19] <_44trent_> i want to enable contrib and non-free, do I have to do it to all of them or just main?
5815 [22:05:40] <missmbob> just add contrib and non-free to the end of those three ines
5816 [22:05:45] <dvs> _44trent_, add "config non-free" after main
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5818 [22:06:11] <missmbob> to all three lines, if that's what you were asking
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5830 [22:13:37] <jim> so I'm looking at replaced-url
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5833 [22:14:14] <unborn> is there any way to share terminal session with another user in real time?
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5836 [22:14:31] <Guest42098> dang i almost had a system freeze
5837 [22:14:43] <Guest42098> it literally just hung for 30 seconds. Mouse dissapeared
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5839 [22:15:12] <Guest42098> it resumed now - no idea what happend. how do I investigate this?
5840 [22:15:16] <jmcnaught> jim: to figure this out you look at the DSA that covers the issue, which will list the package versio nthat fixes the problem(s). In this case replaced-url
5841 [22:15:50] <jim> yeah I saw that
5842 [22:16:12] <jim> so 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 is in -security?
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5844 [22:17:06] <jim> jmcnaught, will that listing show the backported ones?
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5846 [22:17:11] <jmcnaught> jim: yeah. it might get moved into jessie/main for a point release (if no other kernel upgrades happen before then)
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5849 [22:18:02] <tekoh> ahh it's a wonderful day
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5851 [22:18:28] <jmcnaught> jim: for backports, you can look at the BSAs in the news section here: replaced-url
5852 [22:20:13] <jim> at least the dates will get me possibilities... before that date, the fix wasn't out yet to my knowledge
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5861 [22:23:29] <jim> right now it looks like backports is too far behind... the BSAs are sorted by date descending?
5862 [22:23:44] <jmcnaught> jim: you can also check replaced-url
5863 [22:24:14] <jmcnaught> it's quite possible that BSAs are seldomly updated.. the security priority is jessie/main
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5866 [22:25:04] <roadrunneratwast> hi. i am running jessie. i would like to install vagrant and virtualbox. i have gone down too many dead ends. what is the right way to do this?
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5873 [22:26:51] <jmcnaught> roadrunneratwast: install the vagrant and virtualbox packages provided by Debian
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5875 [22:28:12] <roadrunneratwast> there is no virtualbox provided by debian
5876 [22:28:16] <jmcnaught> roadrunneratwast: replaced-url
5877 [22:28:24] <jmcnaught> ,v virtualbox
5878 [22:28:25] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.0.24-dfsg-1~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib: 5.1.6-dfsg-2+b1; sid/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6
5879 [22:28:29] <roadrunneratwast> have you done it?
5880 [22:28:38] <roadrunneratwast> i keep on getting inconsistencies
5881 [22:28:42] <jmcnaught> roadrunneratwast: it's in contrib. no, i don't use virtualbox, i use libvirt+kvm
5882 [22:28:44] <roadrunneratwast> package inconsitecies
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5884 [22:28:50] <jmcnaught> !bat
5885 [22:28:50] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
5886 [22:28:53] <roadrunneratwast> i have been unable
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5888 [22:29:04] <jmcnaught> roadrunneratwast: ^^ please provide the above for troubleshooting help
5889 [22:29:09] <roadrunneratwast> ok
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5891 [22:29:28] <roadrunneratwast> where is the virtualbox? i can't even find it on apt-get
5892 [22:29:47] <roadrunneratwast> E: Package 'virtualbox' has no installation candidate
5893 [22:29:55] <roadrunneratwast> so that's the first issue
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5895 [22:30:17] <roadrunneratwast> E: Package 'virtualbox-4.3' has no installation candidate
5896 [22:30:20] <jmcnaught> roadrunneratwast: it's in contrib. take a look at the information and examples on this page: replaced-url
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5905 [22:39:47] <roadrunneratwast> virtualbox-qtE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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5907 [22:40:12] <jmcnaught> roadrunneratwast: you need to show us the command you used and the complete output on replaced-url
5908 [22:40:16] <roadrunneratwast> ok
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5910 [22:42:34] <roadrunneratwast> replaced-url
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5913 [22:43:52] <jmcnaught> roadrunneratwast: did you earlier attempt installing virtualbox from some other place than the Debian packages?
5914 [22:44:29] <roadrunneratwast> yes
5915 [22:44:35] <roadrunneratwast> i have been thrashing around
5916 [22:44:38] <roadrunneratwast> all day
5917 [22:44:50] <roadrunneratwast> how do i completely remove these instances
5918 [22:44:57] <transhuman_> hi first of all this is more than slightly off topic but I figured I would ask maybe someone has an idea ...ip addr shows two ip addresses on a ubuntu virtual machine, where the second one labeled global secondary eth0 comes from I am at a loss to say. Anyone see such a problem with debian? its not a pptp or vpn or bridge interface from what I can see ifconfig -a doesnt show it
5919 [22:44:59] <roadrunneratwast> i tried to install from the vbox website
5920 [22:45:00] <transhuman_> thanks in advance
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5922 [22:45:12] <roadrunneratwast> huge mistake
5923 [22:45:23] <jmcnaught> roadrunneratwast: it seems that some debris from earlier attempts is in the way.. i don't know for sure, what did you do to install? add a repo to sources.list? run a script?
5924 [22:45:43] <roadrunneratwast> i downloaded the .deb file
5925 [22:45:48] <roadrunneratwast> from the virutalbox website
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5927 [22:45:51] <transhuman_> and both the /etc/network/interfaces shows only one ip and network manager isnt installed
5928 [22:46:07] <roadrunneratwast> i am not sure how to remove all the detritus
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5930 [22:47:24] <jmcnaught> roadrunneratwast: what was the name of the package from the oracle website? also can you please show "aptitude search ~i~nvirtualbox" in a paste? (those are tildes not dashes)
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5932 [22:47:41] <roadrunneratwast> i deleted the file
5933 [22:47:45] <roadrunneratwast> but ...
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5935 [22:48:05] <roadrunneratwast> replaced-url
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5937 [22:48:18] <roadrunneratwast> replaced-url
5938 [22:48:23] <roadrunneratwast> i did both
5939 [22:48:24] <roadrunneratwast> ugh
5940 [22:48:32] <arunpyasi> helo, why I am getting this error ? WARNING GStreamer warning: gst-stream-error-quark: No volume control found (3)
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5942 [22:49:02] <jmcnaught> arunpyasi: what are you doing when you get the error? do you have sound trouble besides this warning?
5943 [22:49:30] <arunpyasi> jmcnaught, yes, sound is not playing, I am tryng to play music via mopidy
5944 [22:49:34] <jmcnaught> roadrunneratwast: once we look at the list of installed packages with virtualbox in the name, we're probably going to purge them all but it's good to check
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5946 [22:49:59] <jmcnaught> arunpyasi: has sound worked in linux before on this computer? have you tried to configure it with pavucontrol?
5947 [22:50:17] <arunpyasi> jmcnaught, yes, I can play with aplay
5948 [22:50:20] <roadrunneratwast> C virtualbox - x86 virtualization solution - base binaries
5949 [22:50:21] <roadrunneratwast> i A virtualbox-dkms - x86 virtualization solution - kernel module sources for dkms
5950 [22:50:22] <roadrunneratwast> u A virtualbox-qt - x86 virtualization solution - Qt based user interface
5951 [22:50:24] <roadrunneratwast> sorry
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5954 [22:50:49] <jmcnaught> roadrunneratwast: "aptitude search ~i~nvirtualbox | nc termbin.com 9999" and then give us the URL
5955 [22:50:54] <roadrunneratwast> meant to put that in a paste
5956 [22:51:18] <jmcnaught> it's okay, you caught it before the bot kicked you :)
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5960 [22:51:49] <jmcnaught> arunpyasi: in pavucontrol is the correct output device selected?
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5962 [22:52:12] <roadrunneratwast> replaced-url
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5964 [22:52:28] <roadrunneratwast> should i go there and do something with that link?
5965 [22:52:48] <roadrunneratwast> oh
5966 [22:52:49] <roadrunneratwast> i see
5967 [22:52:59] <arunpyasi> jmcnaught, I didn't have pavucontrol, should I install ?
5968 [22:52:59] <jmcnaught> roadrunneratwast: it's just an automated way to paste
5969 [22:53:04] <roadrunneratwast> k cool
5970 [22:53:07] <arunpyasi> I have alsamixer
5971 [22:53:17] <jmcnaught> arunpyasi: yeah, or use the sound settings in gnome
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5973 [22:53:47] <jmcnaught> arunpyasi: most stuff will be using pulseaudio by default, unless you've ripped it out for some years-out-of-date-fud reason
5974 [22:53:57] <transhuman_> thanks anyways found a solution replaced-url
5975 [22:54:03] <roadrunneratwast> should i purge all those packages?
5976 [22:54:13] <roadrunneratwast> i thought i already did eliminate virtualbox ...
5977 [22:55:00] <jmcnaught> roadrunneratwast: removing gets rid of the software itself, purging also removes config files. try "aptitude purge ~i~nvirtualbox" and check to see what it wants to remove
5978 [22:55:21] <jmcnaught> (it should be the same list, but always double check when removing anything)
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5980 [22:55:47] <roadrunneratwast> so are those tildes like regexes?
5981 [22:56:21] <roadrunneratwast> ok purged
5982 [22:56:23] <jmcnaught> roadrunneratwast: they're search patterns, replaced-url
5983 [22:56:25] <roadrunneratwast> will try to reinstall
5984 [22:56:27] <roadrunneratwast> ok
5985 [22:56:35] <arunpyasi> jmcnaught, is there any command with pavucontrol to select the correct output ?
5986 [22:56:46] <arunpyasi> I see the command is incomplete
5987 [22:57:22] <jmcnaught> roadrunneratwast: i would also look to see if there's a module left: "find /lib/modules -name *vbox*"
5988 [22:57:29] <roadrunneratwast> ok
5989 [22:57:36] <jmcnaught> arunpyasi: pavucontrol is a GTK application
5990 [22:57:51] <arunpyasi> jmcnaught, OK, I don't have access to GTK
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5992 [22:57:55] <arunpyasi> I am on SSH
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5997 [22:58:13] <missmbob> heh
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6000 [22:58:52] <jmcnaught> arunpyasi: i'll wait for you to fill us in on all the other details before continuing then
6001 [23:00:04] <arunpyasi> the thing is, I am trying to play song via mopidy but it got me that warning error and the song is not playing too. And the machine is a raspberry PI 2 with jessie.
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6003 [23:00:14] <arunpyasi> jmcnaught, ^^
6004 [23:00:28] <jmcnaught> arunpyasi: Raspbian?
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6007 [23:01:05] <arunpyasi> jmcnaught, yes please.
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6009 [23:01:10] <jmcnaught> !raspbian
6010 [23:01:11] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
6011 [23:01:29] <jmcnaught> arunpyasi: please use the support for your distro, this channel does not support derivatives of Debian :)
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6014 [23:02:22] <arunpyasi> jmcnaught, ok, thank you very much for the info. I thought #debian would help me on that.
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6016 [23:02:25] <arunpyasi> better
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6025 [23:06:31] <roadrunneratwast> yeah. i am getting the same error again
6026 [23:06:32] <roadrunneratwast> :(
6027 [23:06:39] <roadrunneratwast> thanks
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6030 [23:06:46] <roadrunneratwast> i am giving up
6031 [23:06:56] <roadrunneratwast> talk later
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6038 [23:08:11] <jmcnaught> missmbob: did you figure out your evolution calendar problem?
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6043 [23:11:17] <missmbob> jmcnaught: once i disabled the account in gnome-online-accounts and added it manually, it worked with no problem. somehow the two are different
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6056 [23:14:26] <jmcnaught> missmbob: that's a part of the gnome infrastructure i'm not that familiar with. it does seem like evolution is slowly being replaced with single purpose apps though
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6103 [23:36:04] <_44trent_> is it a bad idea to use jessie-backports? i'm trying to get java 8, but stable only has java 7, and I don't want to use the oracle JDK
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6105 [23:36:21] <_44trent_> and it appears that openjdk-8-jdk is in backports
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6107 [23:36:31] <missmbob> _44trent_: it's fine to have some, sure.
6108 [23:36:46] <_44trent_> just as long as i'm not using like 50 backports i'm g uessing
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6110 [23:36:53] <missmbob> right
6111 [23:37:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> 49 is ok, though
6112 [23:37:25] <_44trent_> yeah definietly, i'm sure
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6114 [23:37:27] <_44trent_> (not)
6115 [23:37:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> but go to 50 and WHAM
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6117 [23:38:10] <_44trent_> i mean, i'm not too particularly concerned about stability, but i still do care a little, as i don't want things to start randomly breaking
6118 [23:39:25] <_44trent_> weird. java 8 seems to have installed but i'm still using java 7
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6120 [23:39:52] <missmbob> you need to use update-alternatives to switch
6121 [23:40:02] <TomTomTosch> man update-java-alternatives
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6123 [23:40:36] <TomTomTosch> java is special, it has it's own command for that ^^
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6126 [23:41:17] <_44trent_> hmm, there seems to be a manpage but uh...there's no java-update-alternatives command
6127 [23:41:27] <TomTomTosch> it's in /sbin/
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6129 [23:41:43] <_44trent_> ...heh, i probably should've remembered sudo
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6139 [23:43:32] <_44trent_> there we go, it worked
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6142 [23:44:14] <_44trent_> no java plugin found, but that's a non issue as I'm just trying to play minecraft
6143 [23:44:30] <_44trent_> i don't even think an applet version exists of it anymore anyway
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6160 [23:53:17] <Arimil> Hey guys, I had a few questions. I got my first physical server today (I've only previously used cloud servers). Unfortunately it only has a VGA out and I only have HDMI and DVI cables.
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6162 [23:53:58] <Arimil> I was wondering if I'd be able to plug the hard drive into my desktop and install debian and openssh then swapping the drive back into the server before the first boot.
6163 [23:53:59] <missmbob> that's normal. all servers ever have are vga
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6168 [23:54:29] <missmbob> the server one has one hd? really?
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6170 [23:54:52] <Renari> It has 1 1TB HD, I have a second one that I plan to put in it at a later date.
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6174 [23:55:18] <Renari> It's currently full of junk that I have to clean up.
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6184 [23:56:14] <missmbob> anyway...without knowing the bios settings on the server, etc, it'd be impossible to say
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6187 [23:57:03] <Renari> My only alternative would be to take my GPU out of my desktop so that I could boot the server and set everything up, but I was trying to avoid that.
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