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0[00:00:09] <teraflops> Bull3tM0nk3y_: did you close a terminal with apt installing packages on it?
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1[00:00:13] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> cat unplugged the eithernet cord
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2[00:00:26] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> i closed all terminals and reopened it
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3[00:00:28] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> i got that
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4[00:00:33] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> want me to just restart my computer?
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5[00:00:34] <teraflops> heh
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6[00:00:42] <teraflops> Bull3tM0nk3y_: you can also blame the cat
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7[00:00:50] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> Damn you Cammy!
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8[00:00:54] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> there, blamed her
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9[00:01:01] <teraflops> ah nice
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10[00:01:10] <teraflops> I have one too ikr
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11[00:01:30] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> Cats are wonderful except when they mess with technology. Keyboards are common for her.
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16[00:02:21] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> test
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17[00:02:24] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> reading me?
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19[00:02:28] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> it said i timed out
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22[00:03:00] <babilen> We can see your messages
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25[00:03:43] <Bull3tM0nk3y> OKAY IM BACK NOW
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26[00:03:48] <Bull3tM0nk3y> restart my machine?
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31[00:04:26] <babilen> It;s an option, yes
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34[00:04:35] <Bull3tM0nk3y> restarting, be back soon
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44[00:08:19] <Bull3tM0nk3y> I HAVE WORKING WIFI NOW
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45[00:08:22] <Bull3tM0nk3y> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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46[00:08:26] <Bull3tM0nk3y> lemme go install sudo
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47[00:08:30] <Bull3tM0nk3y> thank you bablien!
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48[00:08:33] <Bull3tM0nk3y> and the other person
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50[00:08:40] <babilen> :D
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54[00:09:51] <Bull3tM0nk3y> sudo is installed!
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56[00:10:25] <Bull3tM0nk3y> Now, how to fix my brightness?
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60[00:11:52] <bull3tm0nk3y> now for my brightness
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61[00:12:12] <bull3tm0nk3y> my buttons and the brightness settings do not change the brightness
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68[00:17:29] <bull3tm0nk3y> how do i add myself as a sudo user?
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70[00:17:40] <tharkun> I am looking for a programm that is able to handle gannt charts or project management for the matter but it seems none are available from the regular repositories. Is there a way I am forgetting to search in there?
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71[00:17:42] <victor37> ciao
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74[00:17:55] <victor37> !list
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75[00:17:56] <dpkg> victor37: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a replaced-url
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76[00:17:58] <teraflops> lol
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77[00:18:04] <teraflops> I kew it
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78[00:18:08] <teraflops> knew*
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81[00:18:46] <bull3tm0nk3y> I did "sudo adduser USERNAME sudo"
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82[00:18:59] <bull3tm0nk3y> but its not letting me add it
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83[00:19:24] <tharkun> bull3tm0nk3y: Why would you do such a thing?
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86[00:19:37] <teraflops> bull3tm0nk3y: of course :S
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88[00:19:57] <bull3tm0nk3y> what did i do?
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90[00:20:23] <babilen> You tried to use sudo
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91[00:20:31] <babilen> You have to run that as root
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92[00:20:44] <bull3tm0nk3y> oooooooooohhhh...
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94[00:20:47] <bull3tm0nk3y> i am not a clever man
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96[00:21:23] <bull3tm0nk3y> root@debian:/home/quentin# sudo adduser quentin sudo The user `quentin' is already a member of `sudo'.
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97[00:21:35] <bull3tm0nk3y> but im not?
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99[00:21:47] <missmbob> you need to log out and back in for it to take effect
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101[00:21:52] <bull3tm0nk3y> oh.
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102[00:21:55] <bull3tm0nk3y> righto
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103[00:21:59] <bull3tm0nk3y> brb then
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104[00:22:33] <fe> is there anyone who knows if libssh-dev is an up-to-date package?
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118[00:24:51] <fe> nvm
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122[00:25:41] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> okay im back
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123[00:25:45] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> lemme try my sudo stuff
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125[00:26:21] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> sudo works now!
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126[00:26:25] <somiaj> woot
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127[00:26:32] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> thank you again!
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129[00:26:36] <teraflops> hehe
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130[00:26:41] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> now one last thing before i go
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131[00:27:04] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> my brightness settings and keys do not turn up or down the brightness
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134[00:27:48] <somiaj> Bull3tM0nk3y_: what desktop/de do you use?
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135[00:27:56] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> GNOME
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137[00:28:18] <somiaj> might be your actual display driver/backlight control is not standard so the default gnome bindings aren't working.
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138[00:28:31] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> ah. how do i fix that?
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139[00:28:46] <somiaj> Bull3tM0nk3y_: might depend on your actual hardware and what capaiblities/compadabilities it has
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140[00:28:56] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> oh. that sucks.
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141[00:28:59] <somiaj> one way is manually use xrandr to change the brightness (this is differnt than changing the backlight though)
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142[00:29:13] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> Ubuntu had no issues, which is odd.
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143[00:29:18] <teraflops> sometimes you need to pass a kernel param to the bootloader
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144[00:29:37] <teraflops> Ubuntu has a newer kernel perhaps
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145[00:29:42] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> it does
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146[00:29:44] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> 4.8
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147[00:29:47] <teraflops> well
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148[00:29:48] <somiaj> Bull3tM0nk3y_: just might depend on what hardware is detected. Newer kernel, nonfree drivers, etc
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149[00:29:54] <teraflops> this is debian
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150[00:30:03] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> i just installed firmware-linux-nonfree
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151[00:30:06] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> maybe that will help
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153[00:30:33] <babilen> What;s you GPU?
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154[00:30:35] <somiaj> Bull3tM0nk3y_: what video card does your laptop have?
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155[00:30:40] <teraflops> God question
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156[00:30:42] <teraflops> good
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157[00:30:47] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> how do i check that?
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158[00:30:52] <teraflops> ugh
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159[00:31:04] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> sorry, im still a noob
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160[00:31:13] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> lemme go google it
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161[00:31:15] <babilen> lspci -nn|grep -i vga
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164[00:31:30] <tharkun> xbacklight -set
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165[00:31:33] <somiaj> Bull3tM0nk3y_: or share /var/log/Xorg.0.log with us and we'll see which one xorg is detecting.
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167[00:31:48] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> k
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170[00:32:25] <tharkun> will tell what setting it is on. Whenever you start your laptop usuallly there is a warning when you might have a problem with the settings of your display.
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171[00:32:59] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> replaced-url
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172[00:33:26] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> Radeon it seems
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175[00:33:52] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> i installed firmware-linux-nonfree because the boot screen when Deb loads told me to
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177[00:34:01] <babilen> Bull3tM0nk3y_: Install libgl1-mesa-dri and firmware-radeon
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179[00:34:40] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> first one is already installed, second one cannot be found
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182[00:35:04] <babilen> Ah, yeah .. its in firmware-linux-nonfree
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183[00:35:10] <babilen> Did you reboot after installing that/
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184[00:35:12] <babilen> ?
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185[00:35:16] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> replaced-url
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186[00:35:16] <mf|pc> I was about to say that babilen
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187[00:35:19] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> nope
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188[00:35:23] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> ill be back then folks
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189[00:35:30] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> thank you for being so supportive and kind btw
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190[00:35:31] <Bull3tM0nk3y_> <3
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191[00:35:36] <mf|pc> See you shortly :-)
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206[00:43:19] <Learnerwind> How o i configure if-pre-up.d? I've added an script there and when i use 'service network-manager restart' nothing happens. If i use 'run-parts --test /etc/network/if-pre-up.d' the output is all things there but my script. If i use '1s -l /etc/network/if-pre-up.d' i see my file with the rw permitions set to all users. Sorry if it is a silly question.
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212[00:45:08] <exocet_665> it's not linked to /etc/network/interfaces instead of networkmanager ?
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214[00:45:20] <exocet_665> that's maybe why nothing happens...
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216[00:46:56] <Learnerwind> 'ls -ld /etc/network/if-pre-down.d'
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217[00:46:56] <Learnerwind> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Oct 21 20:29 /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/
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229[00:48:56] <Learnerwind> the thing the more make me curious is the 'run-parts' thing
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235[00:50:46] <exocet_665> if you use network manager, you have to use /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/pre-up.d and not /etc/network/if-pre-up.d
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236[00:50:53] <jelly> Learnerwind: what's the exact path for your custom file
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237[00:51:27] <jelly> Learnerwind: run-parts is _very_ picky about allowed characters in file names
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241[00:52:27] <exocet_665> may be except if you're using managed=true in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
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242[00:52:28] <jelly> (that's a rtfm)
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244[00:52:43] <Learnerwind> Thats the path
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245[00:52:43] <Learnerwind> '/etc/network/if-pre-up.d/randmac.sh'
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246[00:53:01] <Learnerwind> That is rtfm?
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247[00:53:04] <jelly> Learnerwind: get rid of ".sh"
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248[00:53:11] <Learnerwind> oh ok
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249[00:53:31] <jelly> (or just the . in the name)
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250[00:54:37] <jelly> Learnerwind: yes, the fine manual says: > [...] the names must consist entirely of ASCII upper- and lower-case letters, ASCII digits, ASCII underscores, and ASCII minus-hyphens.
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251[00:55:18] <Learnerwind> solved the run-parts thing
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252[00:55:19] <Learnerwind> Oh thank you
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260[00:58:48] <istrive> need help with backup
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261[00:59:03] <RoyK> !ask | istrive
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262[00:59:24] <istrive> istrive@AdsBlkPit:/$ mutt
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263[00:59:41] <istrive> tar (child): /mnt/wdsp/AdsBlackPit/AdsBlkPit_Friday_2016-10-21.tar.gz /: Cannot open: Is a directory
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264[00:59:56] <istrive> when I try to run the backup.sh script
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268[01:00:52] <istrive> my command line inside the script is as follow: tar -zcvpf $dst/$flnm / --one-file-system --exclude="*.log" . > /tmp/bakfls.tmp
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2437[01:08:29] <istrive> Whot can help me with BACKUP using tar?
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2450[01:09:19] <istrive> plaase, somebody who knows backup in Debian using tar?
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2557[01:14:47] <missmbob> istrive: a better place would be #bash
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2569[01:15:28] <istrive> thank you missmbob!
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2588[01:16:52] <Learnerwind> Hey. Now the script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d and in /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/ does not work
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2606[01:20:46] <julius_> now i tried to put the image with dd if=/media/julius/toshiba_extern/windows7.iso of=/dev/sdf bs=4MB onto the stick....first try did not work
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2610[01:21:01] <julius_> isnt there a "easier" way todo this?
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2626[01:23:02] <Learnerwind> Hey. Now the script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d and in /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/ does not work. But works fine when run manually. How do i solve it?
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2629[01:23:56] <Learnerwind> *dispatcher.d/pre-up.d
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2675[01:32:25] <Learnerwind> Hey. Now the script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d and in /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/ does not work. But works fine when run manually. How do i solve it?
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2676[01:34:48] <Learnerwind> h
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2679[01:36:37] <jhutchins_wk> julius_: I've heard of people doing it, but this is #debian. Maybe ##windows?
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2682[01:36:51] <jhutchins_wk> julius_: You might google it.
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2683[01:36:54] <julius_> replaced-url
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2684[01:36:57] <julius_> night
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2687[01:37:28] <andril> o/
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2722[01:48:41] <Learnerwind> Could someone help me to set up a randon macc script to run everything before wlan0 goes up?
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2727[01:52:42] <cruncher> Learnerwind, what do you mean run everything?
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2728[01:53:03] <Learnerwind> every time
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2733[01:53:55] <cruncher> why not put it into /etc/network/if-pre-up.d?
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2734[01:54:01] <Learnerwind> I've build the script. And it runs fine. But i cant run it directi in network
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2735[01:54:07] <cruncher> why not?
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2736[01:54:11] <Learnerwind> yeah i've put it there
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2742[01:55:52] <cruncher> Learnerwind, what is the problem?
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2744[01:56:22] <Learnerwind> It does not chang the mac from there
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2747[01:56:42] <cruncher> Learnerwind, the script only changes the mac?
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2751[01:57:26] <Learnerwind> yes
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2753[01:57:33] <Learnerwind> #!/bin/bash
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2755[01:57:49] <Learnerwind> a function called genmack
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2757[01:57:56] <Learnerwind> ifdown
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2759[01:58:17] <Learnerwind> ip link set down dev $device
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2760[01:58:32] <cruncher> Learnerwind, did you try macchanger?
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2761[01:59:01] <ecvk> hello, my laptop hanged while shutting down
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2762[01:59:04] <Learnerwind> i will try after. Because i was trying to do it direct from my script
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2764[01:59:25] <ecvk> how to troubleshoot this error?
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2766[02:00:05] <Learnerwind> replaced-url
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2767[02:00:24] <cruncher> Learnerwind, be aware that some nics cant change mac address, resp it resets them always back to original mac
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2773[02:01:22] <Learnerwind> Is my script fine
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2774[02:01:23] <Learnerwind> ?
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2778[02:02:18] <cruncher> i hope the missing "#" before !/bin/bash is just a copy/paste error
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2779[02:02:39] <Learnerwind> It is there, just not in the pastebin
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2783[02:04:56] <Learnerwind> I've played with changing mac on this computer before
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2785[02:05:50] <cruncher> Learnerwind, yes, basically its correct, but did you try line 12 separately?
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2788[02:06:00] <cruncher> because as i said, on some nics you cant set the mac
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2791[02:06:10] <Learnerwind> cruncher: Yes
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2792[02:06:41] <Learnerwind> by the way, i've used #! for long time. It is my main distro
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2793[02:06:42] <cruncher> so if line 12 works manually, what is the problem?
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2794[02:06:59] <cruncher> only that it doesnt work in if-pre-up.d?
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2795[02:07:06] <cruncher> does it work when executed manually?
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2797[02:07:19] <Learnerwind> yes it does
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2806[02:09:37] <Learnerwind> Got the problem
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2807[02:09:37] <Learnerwind> you helped me
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2808[02:09:37] <Learnerwind> Got the problem
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2809[02:09:40] <Learnerwind> you helped me
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2811[02:09:52] <Learnerwind> It will work sometimes but now tall
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2812[02:09:52] <cruncher> Learnerwind, but you shouldnt bring it up or down in the script you put into if-pre-up.d
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2814[02:10:09] <Learnerwind> yeah
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2815[02:10:15] <Learnerwind> i tryid it to fix the bug
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2818[02:10:58] <Learnerwind> But the bug is: It may generate numbers below 10 and bc will cut the leading char
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2819[02:11:34] <Learnerwind> like 'echo "obase=16; 15" | bc '
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2820[02:11:38] <Learnerwind> it will generate F
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2821[02:11:44] <Learnerwind> whichi is no in the right format
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2823[02:12:05] <cruncher> ok. Also be aware that network manager doesnt run scripts in if-pre-up.d
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2825[02:12:12] <cruncher> in case you'll use it
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2826[02:12:22] <Learnerwind> yeah
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2828[02:12:30] <Learnerwind> i've put ir in other places too
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2860[02:30:37] <gustavohmsilva_> hi guys. how can I point debian to use bin, usr, sbin and etc to another disk?
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2861[02:30:45] <gustavohmsilva_> after the debian is installed
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2865[02:32:00] <cmj> you could try with bind mounts
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2866[02:32:10] <somiaj> gustavohmsilva_: can you be more clear what it is you are trying to achive?
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2867[02:32:19] <somiaj> gustavohmsilva_: almost sounds like you want a chroot
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2874[02:35:02] <gustavohmsilva_> somiaj: no... my OS is running on a 4gb drive, but I have a extra drive with 16gb... would be nice if all the software that i install does not consume my 4gb root drive
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2879[02:35:46] <gustavohmsilva_> here's the catch somiaj, I don't have grub, because it's a fastboot dev board
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2882[02:36:11] <somiaj> gustavohmsilva_: well you can decide what part you want on another drive, issue is you have various other file systems.
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2884[02:36:40] <somiaj> gustavohmsilva_: for example most of the data installed by debian is in /usr, you could create a partition/filesystem on the second drive and put all the /usr data over there.
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2885[02:36:57] <somiaj> gustavohmsilva_: but another big place is /home, and the last big place is /var (Depending on logs and stuff like that)
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2886[02:37:06] <gustavohmsilva_> upon reboot everything will be recognized?
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2887[02:37:15] <somiaj> gustavohmsilva_: you can mount other filesystems in place of these main locations.
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2888[02:37:29] <somiaj> gustavohmsilva_: you will have to copy over the data to the new file system and set up the info about the mount in /etc/fstab
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2889[02:38:01] <gustavohmsilva_> hum... that makes sence... rsync everything I want to the new drive and then mount on /xxx/xx (original location
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2890[02:38:04] <somiaj> you should also do this all from a live system to ensure your mirror works.
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2892[02:38:17] <somiaj> correct then set up /etc/fstab to understand that this mount should live here
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2894[02:38:43] <somiaj> if all you want to do is put /usr over there that would work. If you wanted /usr and /home this is a little more work that you could do with either two parittions or a symoblic link
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2896[02:38:52] <gustavohmsilva_> just one thing, how can I delete the content from the main drive after? lol
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2901[02:41:27] <somiaj> the same as you would delete any content with rm, easier from the live system as you can't have the new mount in place when deleting the old filesystem
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2902[02:42:03] <gustavohmsilva_> I mean, I could use mv instead of rsync, but at some point of the copy, wouldn't it break the system?
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2903[02:42:08] <gustavohmsilva_> live as live-cd?
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2907[02:43:09] <istrive> does the mail tool in debian sends email to regular email address instead of the system user only?
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2910[02:44:15] <somiaj> istrive: what mail tool are you talking about? The default mail server in debian is exim and can be set up to be local only or actually be an mail server and send/recive email to/from other systems
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2911[02:44:40] <istrive> the buit-in mail
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2912[02:45:10] <somiaj> what do you mean by built-in mail? Debian offers lots of different mail servers and mail clients.
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2913[02:45:22] <somiaj> you mean the command line 'mail' which is really mailx?
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2915[02:46:19] <somiaj> seems /usr/bin/mail -> /etc/alternatives/mail -> <whatever that alternative is set to>
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2917[02:46:40] <somiaj> on my jessie system this points to bsd-mailx
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2926[02:50:25] <istrive> how to setup the mail or any other tool to send alerts to regular email after a crontab executes?
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2930[02:52:33] <somiaj> istrive: so you want to be emailed everytime a cronjob is run (this sometimes happens every 30mins or even shorter)
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2931[02:53:33] <istrive> smoiaj once every 2 days...
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2933[02:54:17] <istrive> somiaj once every 2 days
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2935[02:54:37] <somiaj> istrive: so for a paticular cron job you want to be emailed about? There are various ways, one is to write a script that both sends mail (bsd-mailx can do this) and then does what ever the job you need does
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2936[02:54:44] <somiaj> I don't know the cli info well enough to be of much more help though
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2939[02:55:23] <somiaj> istrive: man mailx (try to figure how to first send mail from a script)
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2941[02:56:23] <istrive> somiaj my /etc/crontab has the schedule, I have the mails to my user accunt that I look wit mutt, but It would be nice to get the email from my email@domain.com
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2942[02:56:47] <somiaj> istrive: instead of what root@localhost?
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2943[02:57:24] <istrive> somiaj i want to user and external account from my ISP (1and1.com)
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2954[03:00:54] <somiaj> istrive: I guess I don't quite follow you. You want these emails to go to your normal email account at 1and1.com and not to your server, which you have to look at with mutt?
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2956[03:01:43] <istrive> I can go to both, but my priority would be an external email!
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2957[03:02:36] <somiaj> istrive: I think you can set up a .forward file in $HOME that lists your outside email address. Provided your server is correctly configured to send mail, that should send any mail it recives to the external email address
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2958[03:02:52] <istrive> somiaj I can go to both, but my priority would be an external email! it would make my life way easier to check the status of the backups from my phone...
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2962[03:03:29] <somiaj> this way just forward all email to your external email address. You could also look at the script itself and see if you can configure which email address it sends to. In either case you need to have set up an SMTP server (either on your machien or as a relay)
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2963[03:03:40] <istrive> somiaj I don't have it configured, that's why I'm here asking for help! ;)
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2966[03:04:53] <somiaj> istrive: on your isp/network, are you allowed to send your own email or do you need to your email through a relay?
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2975[03:09:32] <istrive> somiaj it can send fine, no need for relay!
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2983[03:12:33] <somiaj> istrive: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config should allow you to select an internet site option
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2984[03:12:40] <somiaj> or you can look at the config files for exim 4
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3039[03:36:53] <Rachel> Hey! :)
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3041[03:37:08] <gry> hi :)
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3044[03:38:35] <Guest58162> This is neat ( ; Where is everyone from ?
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3046[03:38:52] <ByteMeee> hi :)
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3047[03:39:02] <missmbob> Guest58162: this isn't a social channel. please keep discussion to support. there is #debian-offtopic for social
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3048[03:39:03] <Guest58162> Byteme, lol.
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3050[03:40:18] <teus> i cant believe it
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3051[03:40:22] <teus> installed all pepperflash stuff
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3052[03:40:38] <teus> the .so file isnt anywhere and now it even broke firefox's ability to play flash
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3056[03:40:56] <ByteMeee> do y'all think it's reasonable to run linux on 4 gigs of RAM
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3057[03:41:31] <teus> of course
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3058[03:41:35] <th0r> ByteMeee, I run it on a laptop with 2
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3059[03:42:02] <th0r> ByteMeee, and at present I am running raspbian on a pi3 with only 1
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3061[03:42:09] <teus> fucking piece of shit flash
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3063[03:42:31] <th0r> and the ignore list grows again
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3066[03:42:39] <teus> fuck off
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3068[03:43:19] <ByteMeee> ugh ok bc I need a new windows machine to boot Kali off of and I want the price to be low
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3072[03:44:32] <somiaj> ByteMeee: allthough it will be fine, you should ask kali what sort of system requriements they have for the desktop setup.
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3077[03:47:34] <ByteMeee> somiaj: their min requirements are 512MB ram so I think we're good
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3078[03:48:07] <th0r> ByteMeee, if I am not mistaken there is a kali install for the raspberry pi, so requirements can't be too harsh
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3123[04:30:14] <ranix> !list
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3124[04:30:14] <dpkg> ranix: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi replaced-url
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3175[04:48:15] <Kaizen_> *offf-topic* does somebody knows some irc channel where I can ask about spreads (trading)? thanks, and sorry for the really big off-topic (I have searched the channel s list and there s no #trading channel)
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3177[04:49:49] <_44trent_> so is it just me, or is there no more catalyst legacy in debian 8?
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3178[04:50:06] <missmbob> Kaizen_: go to #debian-offtopic is you want to be offtopic
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3180[04:50:28] <_44trent_> i have an older laptopp GPU that just has awful performance without the fglrx legacy driver.
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3181[04:50:37] <_44trent_> am i stuck with Debian 7...
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3182[04:51:14] <morf> Kaizen_: it's offtopic, but there is big channel called #stocks @ efnet (also search google for most visited irc channels there will be more)
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3183[04:51:15] <Kaizen_> missmbob, thanks and sorry
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3184[04:51:27] <Kaizen_> morf, thanks too
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3185[04:52:24] <_44trent_> yeah...I think i'm screwed
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3186[04:52:50] <surfist> maybe compile up something?
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3187[04:53:15] <_44trent_> can't, it's the proprietary fglrx legacy driver
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3189[04:53:32] <_44trent_> and i'm not using the AMD supplied installer, those just break everything
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3190[04:53:33] <Kaizen_> _44trent_, iis it a miniPCIe card?
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3191[04:54:12] <_44trent_> the gpu is an MXM mobility radeon hd 2600
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3194[04:54:35] <_44trent_> it runs with the OSS drivers, problem is I can't get decent performance then
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3195[04:54:39] <_44trent_> at all
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3197[04:54:47] <surfist> replaced-url
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3198[04:55:02] <_44trent_> see the thing is the legacy one is only for Wheezy
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3200[04:55:42] <_44trent_> and i'm not using wheezy, as the packages will be terribly outdated
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3201[04:55:42] <surfist> debian 7 is wheezy
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3202[04:55:52] <_44trent_> yes, the legacy driver is only for debian 7
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3203[04:56:07] <surfist> old laptop newer OS?
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3204[04:56:16] <_44trent_> replaced-url
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3206[04:56:42] <_44trent_> yeah my laptop is old, i figure installing debian would make it run better, except the part where i'll have awful graphics performance
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3208[04:57:12] <_44trent_> and i'd really not want to use old stable packages from like 2013
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3209[05:00:05] <surfist> I suppose some die hards have done it... the trick is finding the info
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3211[05:00:22] <surfist> personally.. I'm looking for old kernel headers for dkms to have it's fun
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3213[05:00:39] <morf> laptops gpus pretty much always sucks
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3215[05:00:50] <morf> and those gaming laptops are just bad joke to me
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3217[05:01:16] <pingfloyd> gaming is a joke
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3218[05:01:16] <_44trent_> they are getting the desktop cards in high end laptops
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3219[05:01:25] <_44trent_> it's not worth it tho
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3220[05:01:49] <_44trent_> i have a "gaming" motherboard on my desktop, whatever that means
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3221[05:01:58] <pingfloyd> gaming hasn't had much breakthrough in the last 2 decades
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3222[05:02:12] <jmcnaught> _44trent_: do you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed?
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3224[05:02:21] <surfist> first you get a soldering iron.. then some chip diagrams... nm
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3225[05:02:24] <pingfloyd> same old thing with better graphics to get you to buy new hardware
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3226[05:02:30] <_44trent_> I...
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3227[05:02:35] <_44trent_> didn't even know that existed
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3228[05:02:40] <_44trent_> excuse me while I facepalm
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3230[05:03:07] <_44trent_> so if i install that firmware will I get better performance
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3231[05:03:30] <jmcnaught> _44trent_: in many cases yes: replaced-url
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3232[05:03:37] <pingfloyd> usually firmware is more of a matter of getting the hardware working
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3233[05:03:56] <_44trent_> yeah i'm just trying to get better performance in videos and minecraft...
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3234[05:04:05] <pingfloyd> like hardware doesn't work properly because you don't have the needed firmware installed
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3236[05:04:41] <pingfloyd> for gaming, usually the proprietary video drivers give better performance, but they're also a can of worms
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3238[05:05:07] <_44trent_> and also minecraft is more CPU bound in my experiences, so i'm sure the open source will suffice, given i have the firmware
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3239[05:05:23] <pingfloyd> if the manufacturers would get their act together about supporting open source, it wouldn't be such a dilemma
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3240[05:05:36] <_44trent_> i heard AMDGPU is doing pretty good
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3241[05:05:47] <_44trent_> vulkan doesn't work without the proprietary version though
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3242[05:05:48] <pingfloyd> yeah, amd has gotten better about that over time
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3243[05:06:10] <_44trent_> i'm guessing by linuux 4.10 AMDGPU will be enabled for GCN 1.1 and above
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3244[05:06:36] <_44trent_> right now I need to recompile my kernel to get AMDGPU with my R9 390 on my desktop
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3246[05:06:48] <pingfloyd> the only reason amd looks like saints on that front is because nvidia is so flippant about it
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3247[05:06:55] <_44trent_> of course
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3248[05:07:27] <_44trent_> but at least AMDGPU works quite better then radeon
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3249[05:08:13] <_44trent_> even if my 390 doesn't work with it without recompiling my kernel...
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3250[05:08:43] <_44trent_> and is completely nonexistent for my old laptop
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3294[05:43:25] <o|0_0|v_Peace> If you apt-get gcc-4.9-base where does the binary end up?
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3296[05:47:07] <missmbob> o|0_0|v_Peace: dpkg -L foo |grep bin
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3302[05:49:59] <themill> assuming you actually installed the package
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3335[06:23:37] <Racha> I'm having a problem with GRUB, how do I list all the menu entries that would be shown at bootup but just listing it from the commandline?
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3336[06:25:03] <somiaj> Racha: you can look at the actual config files that are generated in /boot
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3338[06:25:27] <Racha> yeah, but I can't get the index number of the menu items
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3339[06:25:48] <somiaj> they just go in order, y ou ahve to count (I don't know of a tool that lists them nicely)
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3342[06:26:31] <awal1> Racha, try with this awk -F\' '/menuentry / {print $2}' /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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3344[06:27:48] <Racha> interesting, that gave me a list of 13 items
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3345[06:28:19] <somiaj> Racha: what version of debian are you running?
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3348[06:29:38] <Racha> testing, i686 ... I'm setting up multiarch and put the 64-kernel on the machine, and now I want it to boot up off of that new kernel. The machine is a VPS that's hosted at my webhost, so I cannot see the boot menu
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3349[06:30:19] <somiaj> Racha: you most likely have lots of older kernels installed, dpkg -l | grep linux-image (i'd reove the older kernels you aren't using anymore)
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3351[06:30:39] <awal1> Racha, the multiple entries are maybe old kernels?
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3352[06:32:18] <awal1> Racha, apt-get should remove old kernels with autoremove option
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3356[06:32:59] <awal1> but it should keep the previous one (current + previous) if any
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3357[06:33:09] <Racha> it's only 3 kernels on the system, but it's listing 4 options per kernel including:sysvinit,systemd,recoverymode
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3361[06:34:51] <awal1> Racha, I guess you have dist-upgraded from jessie to stretch?
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3364[06:35:11] <Racha> yes, I keep testing pretty up to date
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3365[06:35:36] <Racha> I'm currently on this: Linux 4.7.0-1-686-pae on i686
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3366[06:36:12] <awal1> btw, what's your real problem/question?
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3367[06:36:15] <awal1> :D
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3368[06:36:19] <Racha> Trying to use this: Linux 4.7.0-1-amd64
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3371[06:36:35] <Racha> I'm converting to 64-bit from 32
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3378[06:37:36] <missmbob> you realize a 64-bit kernel wont make your userland 64-bit?
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3379[06:37:53] <jmcnaught> !crossgrade
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3380[06:37:53] <dpkg> Converting an i386 installation into an amd64 installation in-place is quite difficult. It's much easier to reinstall the system with the new architecture -- ask me about <install debian>. If you've got good backups, plenty of time and are feeling lucky, you can try replaced-url
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3381[06:38:06] <Racha> I already got the kernel installed, I just need the machine to automatically boot off of the new kernel, and I can't guesss at the "default index" that grub uses, because I don't want it going into memtest or recovery mode. I need the specific grub menu item index for that kernel
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3385[06:39:00] <Racha> I will be installing the 64-bit packages after booting up in 64-bit
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3386[06:39:42] <Racha> I have 1 VPS, and that's it. so my options is to up/crossgrade
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3387[06:39:51] <Pwnna> so what are files like 81b9768f.0 in /etc/ssl/certs?
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3388[06:39:53] <missmbob> i'd choose reinstall
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3391[06:41:17] <Jame57> I'd re-install too
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3392[06:41:25] <Racha> cant reinstall
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3393[06:41:28] <jmcnaught> Racha: Check the instructions on that CrossGrading wiki page ^^. also stretch support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, but you should really be running debian stable if it's an internet connected server
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3395[06:42:11] <jmcnaught> Racha: you might have to accept some downtime. you have backups right?
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3397[06:42:18] <Pwnna> and how come one of my machine doesn't have it? (and also giving me a bunch of certificate errors everywhere)
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3398[06:42:51] <jmcnaught> Pwnna: what command is giving you the errors? can we see the command and output on replaced-url
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3399[06:42:58] <Jame57> Racha, your running a system you can't re-install and not running stable...... fail
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3401[06:43:04] <awal1> Racha: if your amd64 kernel is the,say, 3d line/the 3d listed by grub and the command I gave you, just put 2 in the corresponding line in grub file (/etc/default/grub ---» GRUBDEFAULT=2 ). If that what you was asking
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3402[06:43:17] <Racha> no bakcups, I don't need the lecture on backups, at work I keep months of nightly backups, this is my own personal server for testing stuff out
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3403[06:43:23] <Pwnna> jmcnaught: sure. one sec.
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3404[06:43:33] <awal1> but as missmbob told you, reinstalling is easiest and secure
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3406[06:43:55] <Racha> awal1: That is what I'm asking thanks
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3407[06:44:04] <Pwnna> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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3408[06:44:25] <Pwnna> $ ls -l /etc/ssl/certs | wc -l ==> 176
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3410[06:44:39] <awal1> Racha, GRUB_DEFAULT=2
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3411[06:44:47] <awal1> first line = 0
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3413[06:45:17] <Pwnna> on a server where i don't have this problem (their setup is not too different), I have >500 in that folder that's populated by a bunch of symlinks from names like 81b9768f.0 to named certificates in that directory
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3414[06:45:53] <jmcnaught> Pwnna: do you have ca-certificates package installed?
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3415[06:45:55] <Racha> this was the output of that command: replaced-url
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3416[06:46:08] <Pwnna> jmcnaught: yes. ca-certificates:
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3417[06:46:08] <Pwnna> Installed: 20141019+deb8u1
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3419[06:46:53] <Pwnna> i tried dpkg-reconfigure that package as well as a straight up install --reinstall with no solution
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3420[06:47:25] <jmcnaught> Pwnna: are the certificates in /usr/share/ca-certificates/mozilla ?
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3421[06:47:39] <tatalazo> j/ #android,#android-dev,#android-offtopic,#debian-offtopic
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3422[06:47:44] <Pwnna> $ ls -l /usr/share/ca-certificates/mozilla/ | wc -l
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3423[06:47:44] <Pwnna> 174
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3424[06:48:13] <Pwnna> those two numbers are the same from both of my servers ( one working one not working)
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3425[06:48:27] <Pwnna> are the files like 81b9768f.0 a red herring?
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3426[06:48:31] <awal1> Racha, 2 was just a guess, but effectivly it's 2 in your case, regarding the paste : Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 4.7.0-1-amd64
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3428[06:48:49] <Pwnna> a quick search didn't seem to find anything
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3430[06:49:04] <jmcnaught> Pwnna: you should have the symlinks in /etc/ssl/certs. Look at update-ca-certiticates(8)
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3431[06:49:25] <jelly> Pwnna: run "update-ca-certificates" on the system where openssl's hash symlinks are missing
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3432[06:49:25] <Pwnna> jmcnaught: which symlinks? the hash.0 files or the Verisign_Class_3_Public_Primary_Certification_Authority.pem -> /usr/share/ca-certificates/mozilla/Verisign_Class_3_Public_Primary_Certification_Authority.crt
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3433[06:49:31] <Pwnna> hmm
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3434[06:49:36] <Racha> awal1: oh, I thought I needed line #6 so I put in 5 as my choice, but I still have the grub file open
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3436[06:49:39] <Pwnna> i did that earlier but it didn't generate them?
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3439[06:50:02] <Pwnna> Updating certificates in /etc/ssl/certs... 0 added, 0 removed; done.
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3440[06:50:03] <Pwnna> Running hooks in /etc/ca-certificates/update.d....done.
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3441[06:50:14] <Pwnna> ls -l /etc/ssl/certs | wc -l
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3442[06:50:14] <Pwnna> 176
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3446[06:50:31] <Pwnna> should i try the --fresh option?
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3447[06:50:43] <awal1> Racha, Debian GNU/Linux will boot Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 4.7.0-1-686-pae . Second line should be Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 4.7.0-1-686-pae (recovery mode) . The third one Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 4.7.0-1-amd64 (the one you want as you said
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3448[06:51:12] <awal1> so 2 for grub_default
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3449[06:51:46] <awal1> try it and check if correct with uname -a
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3450[06:52:13] <awal1> after booting the machine ^
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3451[06:52:27] <Pwnna> hmm...well that seems to have done the trick..
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3453[06:52:40] <Pwnna> jelly, jmcnaught: do you guys know what could have caused this so i can document this for the future,
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3454[06:53:20] <jelly> not really
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3455[06:53:34] <Pwnna> so it worked with --fresh but not anything else
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3456[06:53:37] <Pwnna> ...bug?
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3457[06:53:47] <jmcnaught> Pwnna: another sysadmin? software installed from non Debian sources?
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3458[06:53:56] <Pwnna> i'm the only sysadmin
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3459[06:54:05] <Pwnna> the software are fairly controlled.. but that's possible?
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3460[06:54:11] <Pwnna> what are the hashed names anyway?
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3461[06:54:18] <Pwnna> like are there documentations on them i can read/link about?
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3462[06:54:58] <awal1> Racha, I guess sysvinit/systemd entries are like "residues" of jessie install. with a fresh strech / sid install you will not have those entries
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3463[06:55:38] <jmcnaught> Pwnna: c_rehash(1) is mentioned by the update-ca-certificates man page
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3464[06:55:41] <jelly> Pwnna: no idea about that either, but do a web search for something like: openssl CApath hash
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3465[06:56:01] <Racha> awal1: ok, I will try that, thank you
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3466[06:56:36] <Racha> now, I don't use sid, I just use testing for my apt repos
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3467[06:56:37] <Pwnna> thank you to the both of you :)
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3468[06:56:40] <Pwnna> it was very helpful
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3473[06:58:21] <Racha> no luck, I just rebooted, and it's still on the i686 kernel
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3480[07:01:09] <awal1> Racha, have you executed update-grub after making change sto the file?
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3484[07:01:26] <Racha> yeah, I ran that after making the change
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3488[07:07:17] <awal1> Racha, it boots with 3.16 amd64 ?
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3489[07:08:04] <Racha> no, this: Linux alpha 4.7.0-1-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 4.7.6-1 (2016-10-07) i686 GNU/Linux
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3490[07:08:25] <missmbob> you should really upgrade that kernel
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3491[07:08:37] <AlexLikeRock> replaced-url
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3495[07:09:22] <awal1> Racha, I meant choosing it as default (4) in that grub file
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3497[07:10:03] <Racha> oh, no, that is after choosing 2 as the grub_default
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3498[07:10:15] <missmbob> Racha: you know you're vulvernable to a really bad kernel bug right now, right?
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3499[07:10:46] <missmbob> Racha: plus why are you in here with a testing kernel? you should be in #debian-next on OFTC
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3500[07:10:54] <Racha> missmbob: on kernel 4.7.6-1?
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3501[07:11:09] <missmbob> Racha: yes
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3503[07:11:59] <missmbob> Racha: that's why using testing can be very dangerous and not too smart. it doesn't get security support. so you're vulnerable to this right now replaced-url
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3504[07:12:07] <Racha> missmbob: because this was the first debian group I guessed at, and I figured grub issues would work in any linux based group that uses grub
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3506[07:12:36] <missmbob> Racha: that's not right. stable grub and testing grub are different. as are kernels. you should go to the right place
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3507[07:14:00] <awal1> Racha, in fact, testing/unstable support is in #debian-next channel. possibly your migration from i386 to amd64 haven't been successful and your amd64 kernels broken, so grub boots to the good/default/firts/original one
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3510[07:15:53] <Racha> is that bug already patched in the kernel? on kernel.org?
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3512[07:16:09] <missmbob> Racha: yes. it's even already patched in sid. not testing though. have to wait days for testing
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3513[07:16:22] <missmbob> Racha: the people on #debian-next on OFTC will school you on testing/sid. not here please
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3515[07:16:55] <Racha> I asked if it was in kernel.org
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3516[07:17:03] <missmbob> and the answer was yes
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3517[07:17:15] <Racha> thanks
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3553[07:50:51] <Droid02x> hey everyone
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3554[07:51:07] <AlexLikeRock> hi Droid02x
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3555[07:51:09] <AlexLikeRock> welcome
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3556[07:51:36] <Droid02x> Hi AlexLikeRock and thank you
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3561[07:52:51] <Droid02x> I'm wondering, does anyone here use 1and1? For their shared hosting and or Cloud Server?
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3563[07:53:37] <missmbob> Droid02x: more suited for #debian-offtopic
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3564[07:54:27] <Droid02x> missmbob; i apologize, havent been on irc in ages and wasnt sure where to go... I appreciate the suggestion!
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3640[08:52:49] <Agafnd> would it be a bad idea to install an unofficial deb provided by the authors of a program, if said program is not in the official repositories?
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3642[08:53:05] <Agafnd> for example, qupzilla
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3643[08:53:55] <missmbob> depends
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3644[08:54:02] <missmbob> !tell Agafnd about dont break deebian
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3645[08:54:05] <missmbob> !tell Agafnd about dont break debian
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3646[08:54:22] <missmbob> Agafnd: but usually it's a bad idea since most unofficial repos are for ubuntu, not debian
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3647[08:54:41] <AlexLikeRock> what its the difference qupzilla V S Mozilla Firefox ?
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3648[08:55:24] <Agafnd> well, qupzilla does have a debian build
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3649[08:55:31] <NoCode> replaced-url
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3651[08:55:47] <AlexLikeRock> difference qupzilla VS firefox ?
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3652[08:56:09] <missmbob> AlexLikeRock: a lot. qupzilla uses chromium's engine and is qt
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3653[08:56:26] <AlexLikeRock> bad idea
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3654[08:56:38] <AlexLikeRock> chromium , only for 64 bit
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3655[08:56:53] <AlexLikeRock> chromium, are BAD GUY
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3656[08:56:59] <missmbob> not true. chromium runs on 32. chrome doesnt
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3657[08:57:01] <AlexLikeRock> they spy us
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3659[08:57:44] <Agafnd> What I was really wondering is, if I did install an unofficial deb, how would I uninstall it?
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3660[08:57:58] <missmbob> same way. dpkg --purge or apt remove
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3661[08:58:41] <Agafnd> oh, I didn't know that worked
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3665[08:59:15] <AlexLikeRock> Agafnd, take a look replaced-url
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3666[09:00:02] <AlexLikeRock> missmbob, you now, chrome NOT RUN, chromium depend of chrome, they go to DEAD too !!!
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3667[09:01:14] <Agafnd> AlexLikeRock: sure, I use Firefox (or rather IceWeasel) but thought Qupzilla would be interesting to try
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3668[09:02:09] <Agafnd> or IceCat :)
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3669[09:02:33] <AlexLikeRock> thats better , ICECAT
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3670[09:02:44] <AlexLikeRock> Free Softeware
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3671[09:02:51] <AlexLikeRock> software
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3672[09:02:53] <Agafnd> or sometimes Tor Browser
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3673[09:03:02] <AlexLikeRock> gnu.org
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3674[09:03:25] <mrrhq> I personally compile from git repos or use AppImages if they're available. You can install debs with dpkg -i and remove them with dpkg -r
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3675[09:03:43] <Agafnd> Yeah, I like AppImages
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3676[09:04:09] <mrrhq> The thing is it's a bad idea and it might cause conflicts later.
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3751[09:41:22] <danke> i answered this yesterday replaced-url
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3752[09:41:38] <danke> just thought i'd share it here in case someone has any better input than me
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3756[09:42:16] <gebruiker> Just glad to know I am using chrome
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3757[09:42:18] <gebruiker> :)
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3758[09:42:26] <krrishg> I am using Chrome :D
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3760[09:43:40] <spygrid> like google supports any other distro besides debian
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3761[09:43:41] <danke> yeah, same. i really like the epiphany interface though, so unclutered. i think i'd use it if it was supported
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3763[09:44:08] <danke> i'm using chromium... google supports debian?
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3764[09:44:30] <spygrid> only the latest debian 8
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3766[09:45:18] <aZz7eCh> should this be this hard? debian stable 2x wifi. my primary is working of course.. but i add a 2nd wifi adapter, lsusb shows it once inserted, yet I dont seem to be able to make use of it through gnome by default?
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3768[09:47:38] <gebruiker> aZz7eCh: Any logs that report something worthwhile to work with?
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3769[09:49:54] <aZz7eCh> well i can show you the card not inserted with lsusb, then once it is inserted with lsusb ... but after that ... i'm lost. not much to show you
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3771[09:50:12] <aZz7eCh> card = usb wifi adapter rather*
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3778[09:52:19] <at0m> aZz7eCh: lsusb doesn't say if, for example the firmware is loaded. run as root: iw list with the stick inserted, or while inserting, tail -f /var/log/dmesg
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3781[09:53:21] <aZz7eCh> replaced-url
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3783[09:55:20] <at0m> aZz7eCh: only shows phy0, not the second adapter?
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3785[09:55:34] <at0m> what does lsusb show for it?
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3786[09:55:46] <at0m> maybe you need to install firmware
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3787[09:56:05] <CutMeOwnThroat> oh, that's strange. chromium reports an invalid certificate with net::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID for net::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID … now after a day I decided to check in firefox and that doesn't complain about the certificate
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3789[09:56:33] <aZz7eCh> at0m, before and after LSUSB = replaced-url
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3790[09:56:38] <at0m> CutMeOwnThroat: chromium doesn't seem to have that cert authority?
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3791[09:57:54] <aZz7eCh> at0m, okay having a play with firmware now
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3792[09:58:02] <at0m> aZz7eCh: apt install firmware-misc-nonfree has ralink firmware
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3793[09:58:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah. but chromium's way of displaying the certificate chain doesn't really seem to tell me anything
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3794[09:58:54] <at0m> aZz7eCh: doesn't mean your specific device is covered, but without it, the device probably won't show in iw list
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3796[09:59:23] <aZz7eCh> gonna reboot - installed the ra from repos but iw still doesn't show it yet
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3797[09:59:26] <at0m> CutMeOwnThroat: manually check the cert and its auth?
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3798[09:59:35] <at0m> aZz7eCh: no need to reboot
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3799[09:59:38] <aZz7eCh> oh
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3801[09:59:42] <at0m> just re-plug it afaik
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3802[09:59:49] <aZz7eCh> yea i just did
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3803[09:59:50] <at0m> then iw list again
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3804[09:59:52] <at0m> hmmm
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3805[09:59:53] <aZz7eCh> but iw list looks abotu the same
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3806[10:00:01] <at0m> no phy1 eh
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3808[10:00:16] <aZz7eCh> not that i can say
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3809[10:00:23] <aZz7eCh> see
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3811[10:00:34] <at0m> iw list | grep phy
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3812[10:00:55] <aZz7eCh> yea just 0
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3813[10:00:58] <aZz7eCh> let me reboot brb
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3815[10:01:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> mmh, actually firefox and chromium both show the same root authority 'G2' with the same serial
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3817[10:03:01] <CutMeOwnThroat> firefox says that's built in… chromium doesn't say that… maybe that's it
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3819[10:05:11] <aZz7eCh> okay so at0m .. i have changed to another usb adapter ... realtek one ...
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3820[10:07:42] <aZz7eCh> lol cant even get firmware for this realtek one... Gah.
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3827[10:10:35] <spygrid> debian hates firmware
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3828[10:10:46] <gebruiker> aZz7eCh: installed the firmware nonfree?
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3829[10:11:30] <aZz7eCh> realtek ones yeah ... but its the same as the previous card... however, the realtek install did show a couple of errors im not sure about: replaced-url
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3830[10:11:47] <aZz7eCh> is it even possible to connect to two wifi networks at the same time or am i dreaming ?
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3831[10:11:56] <aZz7eCh> this all seems way too difficult for such a simple task
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3832[10:11:58] <at0m> replaced-url
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3833[10:12:16] <aZz7eCh> Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188CUS 802.11n WLAN Adapter
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3834[10:12:21] <aZz7eCh> not included in that list at0m
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3835[10:12:21] <aZz7eCh> '
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3836[10:12:45] <aZz7eCh> oh sorry - thats the Ralink you're still linking me ?
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3840[10:13:12] <at0m> realtek? 148f:7601 points to ralink yea
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3841[10:13:23] <at0m> (the usb id)
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3843[10:13:34] <aZz7eCh> yeah i moved on from the Ralink
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3844[10:13:40] <aZz7eCh> i did install the ralink firmware that went fine
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3848[10:14:00] <aZz7eCh> this i'm talking about now is a realtek adapter (diff one) .. link above shows the errros/missing firmware
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3849[10:14:29] <aZz7eCh> but srsly... this has already eaten out 4 hours of my day ... i just figured i may be missing something simple
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3850[10:14:33] <aZz7eCh> if its this hard, forget it
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3851[10:14:46] <aZz7eCh> 2 wifi adapters ... impossible to get either working :/
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3852[10:15:17] <spygrid> aZz7eCh, same problem on my laptop, debian won't supply firmware for ETHERNET
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3853[10:15:34] <spygrid> its like the whole world went mad
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3855[10:15:44] <julius_> hi
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3857[10:16:08] <julius_> im trying to copy a windows 7 iso to a ntfs filesystem in linux, how do i copy this: rsync: read errors mapping "/home/julius/tmp/sources/$oem$/$$/Setup/Scripts/Keys.ini": Input/output error (5) ?
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3863[10:24:16] <at0m> julius_: are you sure you aren't copying the .iso contents instead of the .iso?
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3864[10:24:28] <julius_> i am copying the contents
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3865[10:24:49] <julius_> so far thats the only howto i found that looks like it might work
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3866[10:24:53] <julius_> others have failed
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3867[10:25:14] <julius_> different .iso file does work though, maybe this one is really damaged
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3868[10:25:14] <spygrid> ntfs doesn't like $, and they included $ on the ISO ? How stupid
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3870[10:25:33] <at0m> MS shooting itself in the foot. how odd.
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3873[10:26:51] <at0m> julius_: that's not damaged, that's a feature ;p try "dd if=/dev/sr0 (if that's your dvd/cdrom) of=/home/julius/tmp/dvd.iso
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3874[10:27:04] <at0m> if that works, there's nothing wrong with the dvd or iso
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3875[10:27:17] <julius_> did that, pc skips the device on boot
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3876[10:27:27] <julius_> wait, i added a bs=4MB...is that bad?
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3878[10:28:21] <julius_> indeed, the iso that worked when copying does not contain the string $ in filenames
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3880[10:29:28] <julius_> great, now grub acts up.... disk with multiple partition labels. This is not supported yet..
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3881[10:29:39] <julius_> i just want to make a bootable usb stick...how hard can it be
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3883[10:30:01] <aZz7eCh> cant be as hard as making a usb wifi adapter work
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3884[10:30:03] <aZz7eCh> lol
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3902[10:38:14] <julius_> what about if i install a virtualbox, create a windows in there, use a windows tool...would it be able to create a boot stick?
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3904[10:38:37] <aZz7eCh> yep. use rufus in windows
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3907[10:39:32] <julius_> got no real windows box :(
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3910[10:40:28] <aZz7eCh> i use windows in a virutalbox to create boot disks. eveyr linux method under the sun i've ever tried, fails to make it bootable, every time. in the end .. vbox just for windows so i can install rufus for making boot disks.
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3913[10:40:45] <julius_> ah nice
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3914[10:40:46] <julius_> thanks
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3916[10:40:59] <aZz7eCh> you will need to also install vbox guest additions so that you can use the usb stick in the virtualmachine
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3918[10:41:16] <julius_> yeah that was comming up from supressed memories
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3922[10:42:00] <julius_> anyway, im gonna go for a ride with my bike first
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3923[10:42:02] <julius_> see you later
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3940[10:50:40] <JyZyXEL> why does "apt-get install docker.io" want to remove "console-common" package?
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3965[11:08:11] <ByteStorm> aZz7eCh, buy your hardware from here ---> replaced-url
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3968[11:08:55] <aZz7eCh> o0 why there?
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3971[11:09:59] <ByteStorm> well,the drivers of these hardwares are proved to work with debian...tht is,there are drivers for all these hardwares in debian
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3972[11:10:06] <ByteStorm> ask TomTomTosch
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3973[11:10:38] <aZz7eCh> unfortunately i need shit to work with real world equip
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3974[11:11:06] <aZz7eCh> the usb adapters and 70 machines in remote locations, already exist.
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3984[11:13:52] <at0m> one of my machines hangs on boot fsck, because a previous dirty partition/disk is no longer present. 'Ctrl-D to continue or login as root to fix'. anyone know where i can remove that partition from fsck's schedule?
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3985[11:14:17] <ByteStorm> fstab??
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3989[11:15:38] <at0m> removed it from fstab, indeed, rebooting to check...
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3990[11:16:15] <ByteStorm> cool
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3991[11:16:36] <at0m> ByteStorm: 2 internets to you, fixed it :))
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3994[11:17:13] <at0m> how hard could it be :D was going through /var/lib to see if fsck had anything there etc
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3996[11:17:55] <ByteStorm> i thought...thank god im learning now :D
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4010[11:26:09] <spygrid> anyone have problems with libcurl-dev on Debian 7.11 ? I can't successfully link to libcurl correctly. Yet works fine in Debian 8
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4036[11:34:06] <spygrid> replaced-url
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4037[11:34:47] <spygrid> curl libs are detected by configure, make menuselect I am able to verify curl libs are found. Yet, CURL function missing
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4039[11:35:36] <spygrid> I spent almost 80 hours trying to get this working
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4045[11:38:19] <TomTomTosch> spygrid: did you come across this? replaced-url
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4046[11:38:36] <TomTomTosch> or rather two users with two solutions.
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4064[11:43:44] <spygrid> TomTomTosch, yes, I did see that one. Thanks
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4065[11:44:41] <spygrid> I wonder why Asterisk went from version 1.8 to 10
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4068[11:46:11] <no_gravity> How can a script get the external ip of the machine it runs on?
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4069[11:46:28] <no_gravity> I see it in ifconfig but parsing that might be fragile.
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4070[11:47:47] <no_gravity> I don't mean the internet ip. I mean the lan ip. So using a webservice won't work.
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4076[11:49:20] <TomTomTosch> hostname -I
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4097[11:56:10] <no_gravity> irc is so unstable...
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4100[11:56:22] <hexnewbie> I presume there's no way to purge ‘linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64’ without making ‘linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64-unsigned’ unbootable, or even without removing the latter completely?
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4104[11:57:11] <hexnewbie> Purge failed because it failed to rmdir ‘/lib/modules/4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64/’, and then I had to reinstall the unsigned kernel, because it didn't find any modules
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4106[11:57:28] <spygrid> no_gravity, irc survived todays DDOS attack
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4107[11:57:49] <no_gravity> spygrid: was there one? link?
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4110[11:58:14] <spygrid> replaced-url
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4111[11:58:22] <no_gravity> spygrid: everytime my inet connection hickups, my irc connection gets lost and i have to reconnect / ghost / reauthenticate.
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4112[11:58:34] <hexnewbie> no_gravity: They knocked out the ‘whole’ Internet (at least what the world considers Internet nowadays), and you need a link? But I guess that's off-topic.
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4115[11:59:11] <no_gravity> hexnewbie: Only thing I noticed it that someone from the us said the dns for github did not resolv for him yesterday.
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4117[11:59:50] <spygrid> no_gravity: what type of router / firewall do you have?
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4118[12:00:09] <no_gravity> spygrid: why?
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4121[12:00:46] <planetmaker> well, github also seemd transiently offline yesterday from Europe
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4122[12:00:55] <spygrid> no_gravity: there is lot of junk routers, some routers can break 1935 traffic
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4124[12:01:33] <no_gravity> spygrid: I lost the thread... what are we talking about?
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4125[12:01:55] <no_gravity> Personally I try to figure out a good way how a script can figure out the lan ip of the machine it runs on.
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4126[12:02:20] <hexnewbie> no_gravity: That very much depends on how you define ‘LAN IP’
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4127[12:02:24] <TomTomTosch> no_gravity: hostname -I
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4130[12:03:11] <no_gravity> TomTomTosch: That give me 127.0.0.1
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4131[12:03:29] <no_gravity> hexnewbie: The ip the machine got assigned by the router.
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4132[12:03:33] <TomTomTosch> with a capital I ?
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4133[12:03:46] <no_gravity> TomTomTosch: YOU BLOODY GENIUS!
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4134[12:03:53] <TomTomTosch> ^^
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4135[12:04:52] <hexnewbie> no_gravity: -I returns all assigned addresses, and if there are several ones, I don't know how you'd tell which is the LAN IP
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4140[12:06:26] <hexnewbie> If I wanted to get the IP I access the Internet through, I'd abuse routing to Google DNS, and try: ip r get 8.8.8.8 | egrep -o 'src \S+' | awk '{ print $2 }'
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4143[12:08:01] <no_gravity> "hostname -I" seems to append a space character or somthing.
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4144[12:08:10] <no_gravity> ip=`hostname -I`
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4147[12:08:23] <no_gravity> ^ now how do I get rid of the space character?
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4162[12:12:43] <no_gravity> ip=`hostname -I | grep -Eo [0-9.]+`
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4163[12:12:45] <no_gravity> That works(tm)!!
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4181[12:19:06] <lexa_> hi all
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4182[12:19:14] <lexa_> help install driver ati
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4183[12:19:44] <at0m> !ati
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4184[12:19:45] <dpkg> Where possible, most ATI/AMD graphics processing units are supported using the open source "radeon" driver on Debian systems by default, ask me about <radeon>. To install the proprietary "fglrx" driver, ask me about <fglrx>; installing this directly from amd.com (i.e. with the AMD Catalyst installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati on irc.freenode.net.
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4190[12:20:32] <lexa_> fglrx virus repo delete is kde-desk
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4192[12:20:37] <lexa_> help
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4193[12:20:39] <lexa_> repo
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4195[12:20:57] <lexa_> trisqel
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4199[12:21:38] <lexa_> Linux lexa-To-be-filled-by-O-E-M 3.13.0-100-lowlatency #147+7.0trisquel2 SMP PREEMPT Thu Oct 20 10:47:19 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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4200[12:21:56] <lexa_> glxgears
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4201[12:21:57] <lexa_> 3510 frames in 5.0 seconds = 701.083 FPS
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4204[12:22:16] <lexa_> opengl error efekt kde
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4207[12:22:38] <spar01101011> lexa_, don't panic
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4208[12:23:55] <hexnewbie> Which systemd unit mounts /run on Jessie?
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4209[12:24:43] <hexnewbie> I suspect some services are started before /run, but I have no idea what to grep for in journalctl
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4210[12:24:59] <lexa_> how to find out
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4213[12:26:00] <lexa_> Linux lexa-To-be-filled-by-O-E-M 3.13.0-100-lowlatency #147+7.0trisquel2 SMP PREEMPT Thu Oct 20 10:47:19 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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4219[12:28:50] <hexnewbie> lexa_: That's not Debian. Also, Trisquel is a FSF-anointed distro that includes no traces of proprietary software of any kind, using proprietary fglrx on it is counter to using Trisquel in the first place. And you don't usually need it - ATI works with the free drivers just fine, as the dpkg bit above suggests.
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4222[12:30:03] <hexnewbie> lexa_: And you may try one of: #trisquel ati linux
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4226[12:30:34] <hexnewbie> lexa_: Er, that's #ati (not ##ati), sorry. (Confusing.)
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4227[12:30:50] <lexa_> and how to turn the cube kde
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4229[12:31:50] <lexa_> opengl no
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4230[12:32:18] <spar01101011> need advice: im running with backports kernel, systemd and nvidia. Its giving me hell when compiling as the dev libraries are tied into former mentions packages. Im wondering if SID is reasonably stable as a substitute for the backports solution.
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4231[12:32:24] <spygrid> hexnewbie, what proprietary software does debian come with? (excluding firmware-nonfree)
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4233[12:32:49] <lexa_> yes
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4234[12:32:50] <morf> /13/13
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4235[12:33:01] <lexa_> install error
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4240[12:33:41] <hexnewbie> spygrid: Ask FSF ( replaced-url
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4243[12:34:20] <lexa_> all distro virus hdd space gnome is cool kde fack
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4245[12:34:38] <lexa_> debian virus
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4246[12:34:44] <hexnewbie> lexa_: That's Trisquel, not Debian. And I suspect the issue *is* Trisquel - it doesn't have firmware for your ATI card, deliberately.
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4247[12:34:52] <lexa_> show a virus?
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4248[12:35:01] <spygrid> stallman would be the man if he wasn't so pussy to tell the truth
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4250[12:35:33] <lexa_> f1 ?
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4253[12:36:19] <hexnewbie> OK, so what are the possible reasons I get this during boot: courier-imap[XXXX]: Starting Courier IMAP server: imapd/var/run/courier/imapd.pid.lock: No such file or directory
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4256[12:38:01] <spygrid> was courier configured/deconfigured to use a chroot ?
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4257[12:38:07] <spygrid> or is that a systemd message?
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4260[12:38:51] <lexa_> who do know why you can not add debian repository graphically
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4261[12:39:03] <hexnewbie> spygrid: That's a message in journalctl, yes. It happens on some boots, and doesn't happen on other boots. Courier starts after boot
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4263[12:39:17] <hexnewbie> spygrid: I mean, I can start it manually after it fails.
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4268[12:40:10] <hexnewbie> I'm not familiar with Courier's ability chroot, ‘fgrep -ir chroot /etc/courier’ reveals nothing
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4270[12:41:24] <hexnewbie> I presently added ‘systemctl start courier-imap’, etc in rc.local, which makes it only the fifth service there. And I'm trying to figure out what's preventing services from starting.
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4272[12:42:08] <spygrid> what about systemctl enable courier-imap instead of using rc.local
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4273[12:42:21] <hexnewbie> spygrid: It *is* enabled.
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4274[12:42:59] <spygrid> perhaps its trying to started TWICE during boot?
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4275[12:43:04] <spygrid> or in parallel rather
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4276[12:43:32] <spygrid> remove from rc.local ? same error?
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4277[12:43:50] <hexnewbie> Well, I just added it to rc.local, it wasn't there when I last booted :)
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4280[12:45:05] <hexnewbie> I'm trying to figure out at what time /run was mounted, but I don't know what to look for in journalctl
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4281[12:45:31] <spygrid> god systemd such a load of junk
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4282[12:45:46] <hexnewbie> I see that courier-authdaemon is started *after* courier-imap fails, which may be the problem.
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4286[12:47:40] <hexnewbie> Ugh, yeah, that's the issue. courier-authdaemon runs mkdir /var/run/courier
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4287[12:48:37] <spygrid> might be related replaced-url
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4289[12:49:01] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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4290[12:49:17] <hexnewbie> Thanks. I'd probably edit the init scripts.
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4344[13:13:04] <CppisME> not authorized to perform operation ubuntu.... anyone had this before? i cant mount the second hdd
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4347[13:15:33] <spar01101011> CppisME, what is the precise error message?
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4361[13:20:14] <CppisME> hi spar01101011 , one second ill load it up
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4362[13:21:14] <CppisME> "Failed to mount not authorized to perform operation"
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4366[13:22:39] <spar01101011> CppisME, command line or gui?
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4370[13:23:18] <CppisME> gui
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4372[13:24:54] <spar01101011> CppisME, have you checked and tried this: replaced-url
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4377[13:28:26] <CppisME> which part ? its like everyone throwing in different suggestions
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4378[13:28:46] <CppisME> the second hdd is an internal drive
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4379[13:29:04] <CppisME> he current system auto mounts all other typs of usb sticks and usb hdd
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4381[13:29:58] <spar01101011> CppisME, is it a nvme drive?
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4383[13:30:27] <CppisME> whats that
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4384[13:32:01] <spar01101011> its a "NVM Express". type: "sudo fdisk -l" and check if it says something like "/dev/nvme0n1" at the second drive
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4385[13:32:29] <spar01101011> its a type of ssd
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4387[13:33:20] <spar01101011> CppisME, and: have you tried mounting it manually with sudo?
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4391[13:34:55] <candidat__> which debian iso should i take if i have an i7 intel cpu ?
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4392[13:35:11] <candidat__> amd64 ?
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4393[13:35:37] <spar01101011> candidat__, yup
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4394[13:35:44] <candidat__> ty
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4400[13:38:17] <gebruiker> my debian is running so good that I am bored
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4401[13:39:01] <spygrid> gebruiker, which version ?
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4402[13:39:10] <spar01101011> gebruiker, not running on new hw then
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4403[13:39:29] <babilen> gebruiker: Most people would consider that to be a good thing and work on something real
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4404[13:39:40] <babilen> (i.e. not fixing their system)
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4405[13:39:47] <julius_> aZz7eCh, i got virtualbox up and running, extensions are installed and i can see my usb device as removeable media inside the vbox
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4407[13:40:00] <spar01101011> babilen, the danger of linux -> config creep
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4408[13:40:06] <julius_> aZz7eCh, but rufus does not detect any devices....which version did you use?
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4410[13:40:29] <gebruiker> spygrid: jessie only thing i changed was the kernel, compiled my own with CK and BFQ
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4412[13:40:57] <julius_> gebruiker, try making a bootable usb stick for a windows install in linux....that will keep you occupied
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4414[13:41:17] <gebruiker> spar01101011: it is a couple of years old I guess. Celeron 2.6 ghz SMP. ATI Radeon hd 5450
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4419[13:42:34] <gebruiker> julius_: lol i tried winusb with windows 10. Ran xubuntu previously but sucked too much
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4420[13:42:50] <gebruiker> babilen: hmm i am trying to figure out what I should do
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4421[13:42:57] <spar01101011> gebruiker, love it when deb works out of the box. ^^
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4422[13:43:27] <gebruiker> spar01101011: ah yeah i also installed fontconfig infinality because default fontconfig is not good
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4425[13:43:30] <spar01101011> gebruiker, contribute to an open source project.
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4426[13:43:31] <gebruiker> but other than that super
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4429[13:43:43] <gebruiker> hmm I have no coding skills
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4430[13:43:59] <iflema> take up haskell
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4432[13:44:30] <spar01101011> gebruiker, great place to get them. You will learn to write coherently and be a team player. Unlike me ^^
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4435[13:45:26] <gebruiker> checking it out now spar01101011
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4437[13:46:36] <spar01101011> CppisME, did you solve your problem?
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4438[13:47:19] <at0m> gebruiker: replaced-url
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4439[13:47:28] <at0m> plenty things to do =)
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4440[13:48:09] <julius_> aZz7eCh, ah maybe i shouldnt run rufus from the target device
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4445[13:49:47] <spar01101011> at0m, imo code skills is priority
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4448[13:52:08] <CppisME> spar01101011, no i havent solced it
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4449[13:52:11] <CppisME> :(
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4451[13:52:50] <spar01101011> CppisME, did you try to mount i from the command line with root priviledges?
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4452[13:53:04] <CppisME> hgow do i do that ?
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4453[13:53:22] <CppisME> i did with root
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4454[13:53:32] <CppisME> but i dont know the I thing
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4455[13:53:55] <spar01101011> CppisME, typo i -> it
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4456[13:54:01] <cruncher> julius_, i saw you wanted to do the usb boot of windows, still wanting?
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4460[13:54:34] <CppisME> ive tried so many things i dont even know where to start again
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4461[13:54:39] <at0m> spar01101011: he said he doesn't code. that'll take years.
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4462[13:54:49] <CppisME> i want to deleete the hdd and start again, but it wont even let ,me dpo that now
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4463[13:54:52] <julius_> cruncher, yes, im currently witing for rufus to finish writing the image onto the stick
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4464[13:55:10] <julius_> cruncher, installed a windows inside a virtualbox...sad but maybe it works
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4465[13:56:13] <cruncher> julius_, having windows is the easiest way
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4466[13:56:26] <julius_> probably
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4467[13:56:46] <julius_> still wondering why theres no "easy" way todo this from linux
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4468[13:56:56] <spar01101011> CppisME, delete? try to install gnome-disk-utility , its ok easy to use. For command line mounting check this out: replaced-url
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4471[13:58:37] <julius_> CppisME, you can boot the ubuntu/debian installer and do it from there
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4472[13:58:37] <spar01101011> at0m, worth it :)
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4473[13:58:50] <cruncher> why should linux make installing windows easy? ;-)
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4474[13:58:56] <julius_> CppisME, try your local linux user group for support that can look over your shoulder
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4475[13:59:02] <julius_> cruncher, true
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4479[13:59:22] <julius_> cruncher, its just that theres usually a way
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4480[13:59:24] <cruncher> na, i was halfly joking, dont take that question seriously :)
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4481[14:00:07] <cruncher> julius_, but if you are interested, a quick solution: basically you format the usb stick with ntfs, copy all iso contents inside, mark partition on usb stick active, and run bootsect /nt60 E: (where e: is your drive)
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4484[14:00:17] <cruncher> and thats all of windows "support" im going to give in this channel :)
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4488[14:00:33] <julius_> yes,..maybe if rufus fails
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4489[14:01:12] <CppisME> i dont have any other that
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4490[14:01:17] <CppisME> i just installed it today
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4491[14:01:29] <CppisME> but thanks for the advice
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4492[14:01:31] <julius_> its just that i got my hands on a gfx card yesterday and till then im trying to install windows :(
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4493[14:02:06] <cruncher> you mean since then
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4494[14:02:17] <julius_> CppisME, if you want to reinstall after one day might i suggest to use virtualbox from windows and run linux as a guest
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4495[14:02:21] <cruncher> why? is the card not supported on debian?
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4496[14:02:30] <jayaura> Hi, I am having issues with the virtualbox from the debian jessie repo. i cant find vboxdrv.sh script. Since I am runing it on a vps, i need to manually build the driver.
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4497[14:02:31] <julius_> cruncher, games are not supported :)
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4498[14:02:48] <cruncher> julius_, that statement is not entirely true ;-)
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4500[14:02:59] <spar01101011> julius_, i think you are sidetracking CppisME a bit now.
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4501[14:03:05] <julius_> jayaura, dpkg -L virtualbox should list the package content
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4503[14:03:16] <julius_> spar01101011, oh sorry
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4504[14:03:17] <jayaura> julius_, thanks, let me check
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4505[14:03:35] <cruncher> i few days ago i checked for some games support, and was surprised to see how many games are able (without any trouble) to play on linux
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4506[14:04:10] <julius_> cruncher, yes there are games....but in the first person shooter genre if you want decent frames (and you always need more) a emulation is not a option
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4507[14:04:21] <julius_> cruncher, quake3 had a very nice port...that worked as well as on windows
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4508[14:04:35] <cruncher> julius_, not talking about emulation even, steam i.e
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4509[14:04:53] <spar01101011> lots of games on gog.com and steam
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4511[14:05:15] <cruncher> but yes, some games have issues, but dont forget there are even linux binaries for some games to run natively
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4512[14:06:32] <cruncher> CppisME, what do you want to do? you want to mount or delete a hd?
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4513[14:06:36] <jayaura> julius_, that file doesnt exist. Looks like I need to install from upstream. Debian devs seems to have removed the script and put the required headers into virtualbox-dkms. unfortunately the kernel I'm running is not in the repo. so install will faile
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4514[14:06:50] <jayaura> julius_, thanks for the hint
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4518[14:08:34] <julius_> jayaura, start with a default kernel if at all possible....and then derivate
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4522[14:11:52] <julius_> finally...a useable windows stick...THAT took some doing
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4529[14:15:38] <CppisME> cruncher, yes. but now i think i just killed it i cant login now
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4531[14:15:44] <CppisME> f**K
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4534[14:16:33] <spar01101011> CppisME, what did you do?
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4535[14:17:00] <CppisME> now when i enter my pw in, it kkeeps going back to the gui asking for the password.
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4541[14:19:55] <spar01101011> CppisME, what did you do?
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4543[14:20:27] <CppisME> if i knew that i could fix it lol
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4549[14:20:53] <CppisME> i was fidleing around with trying to get the 2nd hdd to mount
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4550[14:21:05] <spar01101011> CppisME, rly? did you mess with partitions?
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4552[14:21:52] <CppisME> and i read one person article said that possible the auto login was the culrit. iso i did what they said and went in through command line and changed to not auto log in, but now i cant even login at all
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4553[14:21:56] <CppisME> *Sigh*
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4554[14:22:17] <cruncher> CppisME, did you play with /etc/passwd?
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4555[14:22:55] <CppisME> no
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4556[14:22:56] <cruncher> CppisME, anyway, press control+alt+f1, then login, then we can help you further
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4557[14:22:59] <CppisME> i think it was fstab
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4558[14:23:12] <cruncher> you "think" :)
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4559[14:23:24] <CppisME> i cant remember
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4560[14:23:29] <CppisME> i was trying so many things
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4561[14:23:31] <cruncher> a good advice, dont just do something becasue you read it somewhere :)
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4563[14:23:52] <cruncher> but as is said, login in tty1 and then talk to us
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4564[14:23:59] <cruncher> we want to help you
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4565[14:24:06] <cruncher> :)
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4570[14:24:53] <jelly> CppisME: which debian release is this again, and which desktop environment?
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4571[14:26:17] <CppisME> trisquel
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4572[14:26:33] <CppisME> it had lxde at first and about 2 hours ago i install the xfce4
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4573[14:26:36] <jelly> um, that's a different distro
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4574[14:26:47] <CppisME> but in both the 2nd hdd was not mounting and gave the same error messages
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4575[14:26:53] <jelly> can you reproduce this with an actual debian installation?
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4579[14:27:21] <CppisME> trisquel i think uses deb
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4581[14:27:44] <CppisME> atcuall more closley to ubuntu
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4582[14:28:00] <jelly> we don't know what kinds of changes the authors did, makes it unsupportable in here
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4583[14:28:04] <jelly> !trisquel
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4584[14:28:05] <dpkg> Trisquel is a Spanish distribution initially based on Debian, now Ubuntu. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
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4590[14:29:59] <jelly> if you installed debian, people in here would know your starting point and be better equipped to help
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4591[14:30:16] <CppisME> fair enough
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4592[14:30:29] <CppisME> i just came in here because it was similar
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4593[14:30:32] <CppisME> but i understand
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4596[14:31:09] <jelly> try their channel, #trisquel apparently, or the generic ##linux
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4597[14:31:09] <CppisME> it doesnt matter now, im doing a fresh install as we speak. atleast it will be quicker this time as now i have a bit of an idea of hwow to get xfce back on etc
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4598[14:31:28] <CppisME> ok. many thanks ")
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4599[14:31:43] <CppisME> see you
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4600[14:34:41] <spar01101011> CppisME, you can always install debian and come back.
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4602[14:35:10] <CppisME> lol
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4603[14:35:25] <CppisME> i had debian with the xfce it was nice as well
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4604[14:35:38] <CppisME> however im after the free libre version
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4605[14:35:42] <CppisME> of lniux
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4606[14:35:46] <CppisME> gnu linux
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4609[14:36:23] <spar01101011> CppisME, well you can run debian as free as you want
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4611[14:36:52] <hexnewbie> The main repository of Debian is free, any non-free bits of the kernel should be in linux-firmware-nonfree which is not in main, and I don't even know what Trisquel's linux-libre gives you on top of that.
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4613[14:38:04] <CppisME> why isnt debian listed on the gnu.org website ?
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4614[14:38:25] <atralheaven_> Hi, I want to create a user on my server only for using it to have ssh proxy, so this user should be as limited as possible for security reasons. how should this user be created? thanks
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4615[14:39:12] <spar01101011> CppisME, bc. Richard is pissed that debian allows access to non-free repos per default
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4616[14:39:29] <hexnewbie> CppisME: Politics. It has a non-free and contrib repositories, hence it is promoting the use of non-free software.
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4617[14:39:37] <hexnewbie> Or something
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4620[14:40:19] <hexnewbie> atralheaven_: SSH proxy? Would the user be connecting over SSH?
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4621[14:40:20] <CppisME> correct
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4622[14:40:32] <CppisME> but the trisquel solves that issue
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4623[14:40:40] <CppisME> thats why i started to use it
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4625[14:40:58] <CppisME> anyway i dont want to start any issues in the website
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4626[14:41:11] <CppisME> i was just coming in here to chat and see if i could get any help
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4628[14:41:25] <CppisME> i understand what you mentioned re: support
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4629[14:41:30] <CppisME> its all good
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4630[14:41:31] <spar01101011> CppisME, its an imaginary issue. Debian is the best of both worlds. You are free to use what you want.
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4631[14:41:45] <atralheaven_> hexnewbie: ssh tunnel, -D option. the user on the server side should not be able to do anything, and it should only be used to connect to ssh for using ssh as proxy
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4632[14:42:58] <CppisME> spar01101011, yes i do like debian as well. i just also liiek trisquel its quite nice as well
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4634[14:43:05] <hexnewbie> atralheaven_: Are you following a manual for that? Typically, the SSH daemon options (and possibly the .authorized_keys entries) is what you need, and those should be detailed in the manual.
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4635[14:43:28] <CppisME> i was just setting this old computer up so i can put xfce on it. so i could give it to my mum for basic webbrowsing
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4636[14:43:44] <spar01101011> CppisME, im sure it is. :)
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4638[14:43:59] <hexnewbie> atralheaven_: Making sure the shell is /bin/false for the user may be enough
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4640[14:44:34] <hexnewbie> atralheaven_: I have not tested these, but they may help: replaced-url
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4641[14:44:44] <atralheaven_> hexnewbie: does that user need home directory?
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4642[14:45:08] <hexnewbie> atralheaven_: One doesn't hurt, and you'd need one if authorized_keys is used
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4643[14:45:32] <spar01101011> CppisME, (sorry channel) when i set up machines for non-technical users its usually an Ubuntu derivative.
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4644[14:46:16] <atralheaven_> hexnewbie: oh right, its needed for keys! im going to test it, thanks :)
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4648[14:47:55] <CppisME> spar01101011, trisquel would also be a derivative of ubuntu :)
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4649[14:50:05] <spar01101011> CppisME, ah i see. :)
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4650[14:50:11] <CppisME> :)
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4651[14:50:34] <CppisME> i thnk they deblob th eubuntu
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4793[16:06:53] <claus> !list
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4794[16:06:53] <dpkg> claus: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi replaced-url
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4918[17:13:15] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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4919[17:13:23] <tobiasBora> In unstable, iceweasel is now firefox ?
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4923[17:13:47] <SpeedyG> in stable too :)
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4925[17:14:04] <tobiasBora> All right. That's why iceweasel isn't updated anymore ?
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4927[17:14:22] <tobiasBora> But I don't understand why the package isn't just removed, or at least point to firefox
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4929[17:14:45] <tobiasBora> because I just realize today that I got an old version of firefox just because I got iceweasel installed...
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4931[17:14:55] <SpeedyG> replaced-url
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4932[17:15:07] <khudher_> Hello, I have an issue, i cant shut down my laptop (it hangs)
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4933[17:15:09] <jmcnaught> tobiasBora: do you mean firefox-esr?
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4934[17:15:34] <jmcnaught> khudher_: which Debian release? how are you trying to shut it down?
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4935[17:15:42] <khudher_> the problem is that, it doesnt happen 'always', it does happen sometimes (when i use my laptop for a long time)
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4937[17:15:51] <khudher_> debian stretch, but i had the same issue with jessie
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4938[17:15:54] <khudher_> i suspect of wrong drivers
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4939[17:16:00] <jmcnaught> !debian-next
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4940[17:16:00] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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4941[17:16:06] <khudher_> i don't know how to troubleshoot
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4943[17:16:23] <tobiasBora> jmcnaught: Not sure to follow you. I've iceweasel 45.4, which is quite buggy
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4944[17:16:48] <SpeedyG> tobiasBora: read the link I just posted
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4946[17:17:40] <jmcnaught> tobiasBora: firefox-esr is the enterprise support release of firefox, it gets security and bug fixes, but no new features until the next ESR
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4947[17:17:43] <SpeedyG> it's Firefox-ESR 45.4 now...
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4953[17:19:46] <tobiasBora> jmcnaught: All right. So iceweasel/firefox-esr is supposed to be stable, while firefox.real is the new firefox. If I remove iceaweasel package, will /usr/bin/firefox point onto firefox.real ?
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