• 0[00:00:05] <`Kevin> sappel: i mean `traceroute 10.0.50.15` when ipsec is up
• 1[00:00:15] <`Kevin> that shouldnt go over eth0 or ipsec ?
• 2[00:00:19] <format_c> crypto domain?
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• 4[00:00:56] <sappel> yes, it shouldn't, but it actually goes to gw of eth0, 10.100.100.1
• 5[00:01:09] <sappel> format_c, you mean the other side of the vpn?
• 6[00:01:14] <`Kevin> ah
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• 10[00:01:54] <format_c> sappel, in IPsec you normally define the "interessting traffic" called crypto domain
• 11[00:02:03] <`Kevin> right so ^
• 12[00:02:18] <`Kevin> what are your networks/subnets defined as in ipsec ... same question
• 13[00:02:28] <format_c> Furthermore what `Kevin is talking about: have you defined multiple default gateways on different adapters?
• 14[00:02:42] <sappel> 10.1.20.0/24
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• 16[00:02:49] <sappel> no, only one default gw
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• 19[00:03:09] <format_c> OK You can only have one default gateway
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• 21[00:03:20] <format_c> you cannot have two.
• 22[00:03:25] <sappel> there are two crypto domains, 10.1.20.0/24 and 172.16.13.0/24
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• 25[00:03:37] <sappel> I only have one :)
• 26[00:03:46] <format_c> OK
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• 28[00:05:03] <sappel> the crypto domain differs from my eth0 network...and actually it doesn't try to go over the vpn when I tracert 10.0.50.15 (eth0=10.0.50.10), but it goes to the default gw, 10.100.100.1 (eth1=10.100.100.99)
• 29[00:05:29] <format_c> sappel, That's really complicated to troubleshoot here. I recommend trying a different IPsec implementation.
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• 32[00:06:01] <format_c> I've already encountered issues with strongswan in the past but made only good experience with racoon
• 33[00:06:12] <sappel> format_c, I'd love to, but that part is external, nothing I can decide or configure
• 34[00:06:15] <format_c> I recommend trying racoon for IPsec
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• 36[00:06:21] <format_c> sad
• 37[00:06:28] <sappel> they only support strongswan + cisco
• 38[00:06:36] <`Kevin> sappel: do you still see the `scope link` route for 10.0.50.0/24 in `ip route list` when connected
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• 40[00:07:01] <sappel> yes
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• 42[00:07:20] <sappel> at least in the main table
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• 48[00:10:21] <sappel> ok, I think I found something: When I start IPSec, a new routing table with ID 220 is created. That one doesn't know anything about eth1
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• 50[00:11:26] <sappel> sorry, about eth0. If I do "ip route add 10.0.50.0/24 dev eth0 table 220" it somehow works..
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• 54[00:11:45] <sappel> but why does the main table not work in this moment?
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• 60[00:12:21] <format_c> sappel, need to "activate" split tunnel?
• 61[00:12:31] <druggie> hello, how can i set my fan to its max speed using thinkfan forver?
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• 64[00:12:50] <sappel> uh..."split tunnel"..
• 65[00:12:51] <sappel> =
• 66[00:12:53] <sappel> ?
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• 71[00:13:19] <`Kevin> sappel: work your way though ip rule show
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• 74[00:13:33] <`Kevin> with ip route show table ....
• 75[00:13:42] <`Kevin> its overriding your route somewhere
• 76[00:13:50] <`Kevin> similar to what format_c is suggesting
• 77[00:14:21] <`Kevin> look at those tables before connecting and after then diff it
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• 86[00:16:41] <sappel> can two routing tables be active at the same time?
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• 91[00:17:35] <`Kevin> yes
• 92[00:18:03] <sappel> and is it normal the default route it also visible in table 220?
• 93[00:18:40] <`Kevin> depends on each persons setup, i do not have a table 220
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• 95[00:18:49] <`Kevin> local, main, default
• 96[00:18:51] <sappel> the entries in table 220 come from the ipsec start script, I can verify that. but there is no entry adding the default route again. but still it show's up in table 220
• 97[00:19:22] <romeu> @somiaj
• 98[00:19:29] <`Kevin> this is the split tunnel format_c was referring to
• 99[00:19:46] <romeu> I've cksum and image file is ok, what should I do now?
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• 102[00:20:39] <`Kevin> sappel: can you confirm leftsubnet,rightsubnet do not have 0.0.0.0/0 ?
• 103[00:20:55] <`Kevin> im not sure what else would do that
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• 105[00:21:16] <sappel> they do have 0.0.0.0/0
• 106[00:21:23] <`Kevin> ok thats installing the default route
• 107[00:21:32] <sappel> but those configs come from the provider
• 108[00:21:38] <sappel> vpn provider
• 109[00:22:18] <`Kevin> your provider is wanting your to your ALL traffic to them, is that what you want excluding local networks?
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• 111[00:22:32] <`Kevin> your provider is wanting your to route* ALL traffic to them, is that what you want excluding local networks?
• 112[00:23:14] <sappel> no...that's not what I want :)
• 113[00:23:21] <`Kevin> ok so
• 114[00:23:32] <`Kevin> ;)
• 115[00:23:47] <`Kevin> change those to match the subnets you want to route to/from
• 116[00:23:53] <epicules> hi there
• 117[00:24:00] <`Kevin> the provider will likely have to change it's side as well
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• 119[00:24:19] <epicules> anybody knows a free pptp vpn with p2p enabled?
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• 123[00:25:21] <`Kevin> sappel: if there are multiple networks you can do (right/left)subnets to add additional replaced-url
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• 129[00:27:53] <sappel> `Kevin, thanks a lot, I hope I can get it up and running with this information. I'll look into it tomorrow :)
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• 131[00:28:03] <`Kevin> yep goodluck
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• 135[00:28:36] <romeu> I can't boot debian jessie from USB Stick got this error: erro: Failed to load ldlinux.c32
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• 156[00:38:05] <`Kevin> sappel: iirc if expected configured subnets/networks do not match on both sides the cxn will fail (something you may run into)
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• 161[00:40:04] <zykotick9> romeu: i'm sure it was just a typo, but in your origional statement about creating the USB you had source/destination reversed "use cp /dev/sdb ~/debian-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso" <- was that a typo?
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• 172[00:49:08] <mintlx> Buenas noches
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• 180[00:51:35] <romeu> please someone help, I cant find my problem anyware
• 181[00:52:00] <hassoon> romeu: what is it
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• 193[00:55:37] <somiaj> romeu: what was your error again? What is your hardware (could it be too new for the jessie kernel)?
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• 197[00:56:04] <romeu> I was run debian jessie i386, installed with USB
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• 199[00:56:47] <romeu> romeu: but, my processor suports amd46, so I trying to install , but got erro: Failed to load ldlinux.c32 on boot
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• 204[01:00:34] <somiaj> romeu: but the i386 netinstall didn't give you this error?
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• 206[01:02:05] <somiaj> romeu: what processor is on your system?
• 207[01:02:19] <romeu> no, was ok, i386 works fine
• 208[01:03:25] <romeu> my cpu is an Atom(amd64)
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• 212[01:04:26] <hassoon> romeu: pastebin the output of lscpu
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• 214[01:05:12] <hassoon> romeu: if you don't have that you cant pastebint /proc/cpuinfo as well
• 215[01:05:17] <hassoon> meh pastebin whatever youa want
• 216[01:06:49] <azarus> Does this make sense guys? replaced-url
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• 218[01:07:50] <somiaj> romeu: I'm not sure what the issue is. But you can install an amd64 kernel in your 32bit install, from there use debootstrap and manually install amd64, then make it bootable and reboot if the installer isn't working.
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• 226[01:11:19] <zykotick9> azarus: other than the missing network line, it kinda look like mine ;)
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• 228[01:11:44] <azarus> zykotick9, What's the network line for?
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• 232[01:12:25] <zykotick9> azarus: ? dunno but mine is 192.168.1.0
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• 234[01:12:44] <azarus> Ah well. Thanks anyway.
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• 240[01:14:20] <azarus> I just installed nextcloud on my debian server, so happy :)
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• 271[01:34:41] <b6s3d> how do i set geographic area to Bulgaria with dpkg-reconfigure tzdata or likewise tools
• 272[01:35:47] <b6s3d> found it
• 273[01:35:47] <b6s3d> tzselect
• 274[01:35:49] <b6s3d> 8
• 275[01:35:49] <b6s3d> 9
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• 297[01:40:36] <b6s3d> wtf can't reboot now
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• 312[01:49:19] <b6s3d> how do i change time settings?
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• 318[01:56:06] <klys> b6s3d, tzconfig, date, ntpdate <your.ntp.server>
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• 320[01:56:29] <klys> alternatively dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
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• 322[01:57:02] <ws2k3> im having an issue with mdadm, my /dev/md2 is just disspeared after i rebooted my system. how can i try to recover it?
• 323[01:57:13] <b6s3d> i got away with tzselect which is a awesome tool
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• 336[02:01:24] <tomreyn> ws2k3: try: mdadm --scan
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• 339[02:02:27] <ws2k3> tomreyn it says mdadm --scan does not set the mode, and so cannot be the first option.
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• 342[02:04:24] <tomreyn> ws2k3: that's correct. i think the mode should be 'assemble', but the man page will tell
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• 344[02:04:35] <tomreyn> possibly 'manage'
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• 346[02:05:35] <ws2k3> tomreyn i ran Result of sudo mdadm --examine /dev/sd* | grep -E "(^\/dev|UUID)" and that shows something on /dev/sda3 and /dev/sdb3 so it does find something there
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• 348[02:06:25] <tomreyn> ws2k3: very well
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• 351[02:07:12] <ws2k3> tomreyn only how can i get my /dev/md2 back?
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• 359[02:10:40] <tomreyn> ws2k3: did it consist of /dev/sda3 and /dev/sdb3 then?
• 360[02:10:49] <mrtrump> use JFS
• 361[02:10:52] <mrtrump> its pisser
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• 363[02:11:03] <tomreyn> ?
• 364[02:11:17] <mrtrump> mdadm is not reccomened if u want to keep yer data
• 365[02:11:27] <mrtrump> use raid controller raid 10 and lvm
• 366[02:11:29] <mrtrump> :)
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• 368[02:12:16] <ws2k3> tomreyn yes /dev/md2 is /dev/sda3 and /dev/sdb3 only my /dev/md2 was compleetly dissapeared after reboot
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• 373[02:13:27] <tomreyn> ws2k3: IIRC correctly the command to assemble that would be this then: sudo mdadm --assemble /dev/md2 /dev/sda3 /dev/sdb3
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• 378[02:16:09] <ws2k3> tomreyn it worked. cool. only should i do something now to make sure my md2 stays?
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• 383[02:18:43] <tomreyn> ws2k3: make sure it's listed in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf with the correct block id (use command 'blkid' to getr these ids), and update initramfs if this is to be assmbled in the initramfs phase.
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• 385[02:18:59] <tomreyn> also update-grub if needed
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• 388[02:19:22] <ws2k3> tomreyn thx
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• 410[02:31:39] <Wambo> How can I install normal Debian | LXDE on my Huawei Smartphone?
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• 446[02:50:49] <idts> +
• 447[02:50:50] <idts> ++++
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• 454[02:52:22] <ryouma> i am still having trouble playing videos that say "hevc2" in the title. in vlc, it does sound but not video. in mpv, it just emits error messages. same with mplayer. libx265-87 is installed, and exists in jessie-backports but not jessie.
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• 460[02:57:23] <somiaj> ryouma: is your player from jessie-backports too?
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• 469[03:04:16] <gnarlin> does anyone here know what the first version of debian made it possible to upgrade versions?
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• 475[03:08:06] <ryouma> somiaj: it doesn't seem to be in jessie-backports
• 476[03:08:12] <ryouma> somiaj: vlc that is
• 477[03:08:16] <missmbob> ryouma: pastebin mediainfo foo.mkv
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• 483[03:09:29] <missmbob> ryouma: are you the one i talked to about this a few days ago?
• 484[03:09:38] <ryouma> missmbob: replaced-url
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• 486[03:09:53] <ryouma> (well, i don't remember when it was, so it could have been somebody else witht he same problem)
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• 488[03:10:13] <missmbob> ryouma: you were able to play the x265 video i linked you to, right? just trying to make sure i remember correctly
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• 490[03:10:18] <ryouma> missmbob: back then we concluded must be corrupt video. but it continues
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• 493[03:11:44] <missmbob> ryouma: your format profile worries me. Unknown@L3.1
• 494[03:11:54] <ryouma> missmbob: i don't recall for sure.
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• 496[03:12:38] <ryouma> mplayer errors say [hevc @ 0x7f3b7fe2ae00]Unknown HEVC profile: 4 [hevc @ 0x7f3b7fe2ae00]Unsupported bit depth: 12
• 497[03:12:41] <ryouma> if that is relevant
• 498[03:12:52] <missmbob> ryouma: there's no sound in this video, so don't worry. since we're testing video it doesnt matter anyway. replaced-url
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• 505[03:14:03] <ryouma> missmbob: video plays fine on that
• 506[03:14:10] <ryouma> is that an hevc2 also?
• 507[03:14:18] <missmbob> ryouma: are you mixing stuff from deb-multimedia?
• 508[03:14:28] <missmbob> yes
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• 512[03:15:01] <ryouma> missmbob: no, i just run from jessie and jessie-backports
• 513[03:15:12] <ryouma> i mean i never use weird repos
• 514[03:15:31] <missmbob> ryouma: sorry. don't know how to help further. doesn't make sense the video i sent you works but none of the others you have.
• 515[03:15:51] <ryouma> ok
• 516[03:16:18] <ryouma> more mplayer errors: [hevc @ 0x7f3b7fe2ae00]Error parsing NAL unit #0. [hevc @ 0x7f3b7fe2ae00]PPS id out of range: 0
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• 523[03:19:07] <jak2000> how to apt-get remove --purge proxmox-ve
• 524[03:19:11] <jak2000> but completly
• 525[03:19:58] <somiaj> jak2000: what do you mean by completely, you want to also remove all the additional autoinstalled packages?
• 526[03:20:01] <missmbob> ryouma: one thing i would try. are you comfortable with ssb?
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• 529[03:20:28] <ryouma> what is ssb? :)
• 530[03:20:29] <missmbob> ryouma: if you backport libass-dev using ssb you'll be able to ssb mpv.
• 531[03:20:31] <missmbob> !ssb
• 532[03:20:32] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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• 534[03:21:01] <jak2000> somiaj yes
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• 536[03:21:46] <somiaj> jak2000: after you do that, run apt-get --purge autoremove to get the auto packages
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• 541[03:22:34] <ryouma> missmbob: i found a user error. i thought libx265-87 was installed, but it was not. it is now, but the same problem exists. also the mediainfo is exactly the same.
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• 551[03:25:27] <ryouma> missmbob: i tried using ssb to install qbittorrent (with help that included you), but i got bogged down in errors and was not able to because of some library mismatch issue and possible slighly misconfigured package depends line or something. i have the basic procedure down, so if you think it will be less troublesome than qbittorrent (i.e. just basically it will work), i can try getting mpv (or vlc?).
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• 553[03:25:59] <ryouma> oh i mean libass-dev
• 554[03:26:14] <missmbob> ryouma: it's a lot easier. i've done this one myself, too. just build/install libass-dev first and it should *just work*
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• 559[03:26:45] <ryouma> you said it would be straighforward last time i think :)
• 560[03:26:58] <ryouma> but i can try. i have instructions in my sources.list
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• 562[03:27:12] <missmbob> i did warn you about libtorrent version you used ;) and i offered you debs i made. gimme a break ;)
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• 567[03:29:53] <xenial64-user> looking at apps using libass, I wonder why it isnt autoinstalled ?
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• 569[03:31:42] <ryouma> missmbob: would ssb vlc be just as good as mpv?
• 570[03:32:41] <missmbob> ryouma: vlc will be harder
• 571[03:32:45] <missmbob> ,checkbackport vlc
• 572[03:32:50] <judd> Backporting package vlc in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 10).
• 573[03:33:06] <missmbob> anyway i've never done it with vlc. i suggest mpv
• 574[03:33:28] <Hobbes`> babilen disabling accept_ra via sysctl did the job. Thanks.
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• 576[03:34:13] <ryouma> missmbob: aptitude build-dep mpv says "Remove the following packages: 1) libjack-jackd2-0 Keep the following packages at their current version: 2) libavdevice-dev [Not Installed] 3) libavfilter-dev [Not Installed]"
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• 578[03:34:29] <ryouma> ok to do?
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• 581[03:35:39] <missmbob> one way to find out :P you can always reinstall if needed
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• 584[03:38:05] <ryouma> just to be clear here, you're saying i can always reinstall libjack-jackd2-0, which is a virtual package, as opposed to reinstalling debian or some such, right?
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• 586[03:38:41] <missmbob> yeah :P
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• 597[03:42:51] <salcedo> replaced-url
• 598[03:42:53] <salcedo> you have been served per policy
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• 600[03:42:57] <ryouma> missmbob: so i do this "dpkg -i libass-dev_0.13.4-1_amd64.deb" and not libass5_0.13.4-1_amd64.deb?
• 601[03:43:12] <missmbob> ryouma: both. it wont let you do -dev without the other
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• 606[03:44:49] <ryouma> so the general rule is "install all debs thus created"? also, i am confused about -dev vs. non--dev. do i apt-get -b mpv-DEV or just mpv?
• 607[03:45:07] <missmbob> pretty much. you can drop -dbg and -docs packages
• 608[03:45:14] <dunderproto> is there a command line program specifically for searching through mailing lists quickly?
• 609[03:45:20] <missmbob> ryouma: mpv
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• 613[03:46:26] <xenial64-user> dunderproto where are the lists
• 614[03:46:36] <ancestral> Hi there! I’m looking to upgrade to PHP7. What’s the best way to do that right now?
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• 616[03:47:04] <ancestral> Instructions on the web seems to be pretty outdated (from Dec ’15)
• 617[03:47:16] <missmbob> ancestral: php7 isn't supported in debian stable
• 618[03:47:20] <ryouma> missmbob: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libavdevice-dev (>= 7:2.4~) libavfilter-dev (>= 7:2.4~)
• 619[03:47:28] <ancestral> missmbob: I understand that
• 620[03:47:36] <ryouma> missmbob: why is the library -dev and mpv not -dev?
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• 623[03:48:06] <missmbob> ryouma: it really doesn't matter. it gets the same source and will build both
• 624[03:48:06] <dunderproto> xenial64-user: right now I usually search through replaced-url
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• 626[03:48:35] <missmbob> ryouma: for that use jessie-backports (no need to build)
• 627[03:48:55] <dunderproto> but I saw that gmane offers access to mailing lists via nntp and was thinking about using slrn for it
• 628[03:49:02] <xenial64-user> dunderproto the search there doesnt work ?
• 629[03:49:19] <xenial64-user> oh
• 630[03:50:05] <dunderproto> the search works but I was wondering if there was something akin to mutt/newsbeuter for viewing mailing list archives
• 631[03:50:22] <xenial64-user> right
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• 633[03:50:42] <missmbob> you could use elinks :P
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• 635[03:51:16] <bazhang> xenial64-user, is this ubuntu or debian you are on
• 636[03:51:36] <xenial64-user> yes
• 637[03:51:43] <bazhang> which one
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• 639[03:51:56] <xenial64-user> ?
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• 641[03:52:07] <ryouma> dunderproto: is gmane back up? i'm sure there are a bunch of newsreaders, including emacs gnus.
• 642[03:52:17] <curtixman> Hi. Anyone know the current active ios dev chanel name?
• 643[03:53:10] <dunderproto> ryouma: I wasn't aware that gmane was ever down
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• 647[03:54:38] <dunderproto> ryouma: does emacs gnus allow you to rapidly search through the body of an email, or can it only search the subject?
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• 649[03:55:07] <xenial64-user> bazhang oohhh you mean the xenial... its a debian derivative I use
• 650[03:55:16] <missmbob> !based on
• 651[03:55:17] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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• 654[03:56:01] <ryouma> dunderproto: it's been a long time since i have used it for news, but it does pretty much everything
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• 656[03:56:25] <dunderproto> ryouma: ok, thanks
• 657[03:57:18] <missmbob> ryouma: how's it going? managed to get it from jessie-backports?
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• 663[03:59:31] <ryouma> missmbob: i got the missing libraries from jessie-backports, and installed the mpv deb (not the libmpv debs). it seems to work. not sure how to use mpv, but video shows. thank you.
• 664[04:00:07] <missmbob> ryouma: great
• 665[04:00:32] <ryouma> missmbob: what can i do to get rid of stuff i don't need? i presume i don't need *-dev any longer as they are compiled into the program? (perhaps wrong assumption.)
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• 668[04:00:56] <missmbob> ryouma: you're correct. just apt-get remove those dev packages
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• 670[04:01:03] <xenial64-user> if youre having problems with it, possibly because mixing distros isnt recommended
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• 672[04:01:26] <missmbob> xenial64-user: do you know what channel you're in?
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• 674[04:01:55] <xenial64-user> missmbob Im in several
• 675[04:02:15] <missmbob> xenial64-user: what are you talking about? and to whom?
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• 678[04:03:30] <xenial64-user> missmbob I commented on the possible problem ryouma was having, getting files from Jessie
• 679[04:03:51] <missmbob> ryouma: that's because he's on debian jessie. he's not mixing anything. he's doing everything right
• 680[04:04:14] <xenial64-user> oh he uses Jessie... oops
• 681[04:04:22] <missmbob> xenial64-user: yes. this is #debian
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• 688[04:05:42] <ryouma> i'm actually always afraid of being accused of not running debian, in this channel, because i was accused falsely once of that before. but i run debian stable (jessie), with backports.
• 689[04:06:00] <ryouma> (and always have)
• 690[04:06:31] <Spec> The classic "Not a real Debian" fallacy
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• 692[04:08:22] <ryouma> i dont' mind the channel's rules
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• 694[04:08:39] <ryouma> i'm just really, really wary of mean-spirited people on irc now
• 695[04:09:21] <ryouma> (not that xenial64-user was being mean-spirited; seems confused :))
• 696[04:09:23] <missmbob> ryouma: you showed your cards with your pastes, though. i didn't doubt you after what i saw
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• 699[04:10:48] <bazhang> ryouma, dont fret he's cross postin in the ubuntu channel
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• 711[04:19:05] <ryouma> i am confused about mouse buttons. mpv man page says "Mouse Control button 3 and button 4 Seek backward/forward 1 minute. button 5 and button 6 Decrease/increase volume." but my mouse has 4 and 5 for scroll wheel, which i'd like to use for volume.
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• 714[04:19:39] <ryouma> why on earth would it use 4 and 5 for different purposes? and 6 is not on my basic mouse, i presume.
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• 716[04:20:49] <ryouma> (i'd be perfectly ok with a volume controller controlled by clicking the mouse too, but it doesn't ahve that)
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• 753[04:45:24] <missmbob> ryouma: i dont know. but there is #mpv. they'd probably be able to help
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• 770[04:54:08] <_unreal_> for some reason my swap folder is not staying every time I reboot
• 771[04:54:10] <_unreal_> any idea's
• 772[04:55:13] <_unreal_> My swap partition is /dev/sda8
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• 778[05:00:52] <pingfloyd> _unreal_: swap folder?
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• 780[05:01:10] <pingfloyd> _unreal_: are you using a swap partition or swap file, or both?
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• 790[05:08:37] <debianinstall> hi
• 791[05:08:54] <debianinstall> just tried installing debian, but in the login screen neither mouse nor keyboard works
• 792[05:09:02] <debianinstall> they do work if I select start in recovery mode though
• 793[05:09:14] <debianinstall> and they worked during the install process from USB
• 794[05:09:22] <debianinstall> any idea how to fix that?
• 795[05:10:29] <debianinstall> anyway the OS Is effectively unusable without moues or keyboard so it's a problem
• 796[05:11:44] <somiaj> when you boot, you boot into a graphical login screen?
• 797[05:12:27] <debianinstall> yeah
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• 799[05:12:49] <debianinstall> Tried the netinstaller first, it said that it's corrupt or something and didnt boot, this happened twice with separate downloads
• 800[05:12:54] <debianinstall> then I changed to getting a DVD iso
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• 802[05:13:14] <debianinstall> and used that for the install , but only the 1st dvd, selected Xfce desktop for the install
• 803[05:13:31] <debianinstall> in addition to the debian desktop environment which was default
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• 811[05:15:27] <debianinstall> in boot menu, selecting advanced options and recovery mode (there's two different recovery modes I dont remember which one it was) makes it work
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• 821[05:18:19] <somiaj> debianinstall: I would use the recovery mode and turn off the display manager
• 822[05:18:20] <somiaj> !nodm
• 823[05:18:20] <dpkg> Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
• 824[05:18:37] <somiaj> do that echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager (though maybe check what that file is first so you can turn it back)
• 825[05:19:34] <_unreal_> sorry, doing lots of things at once
• 826[05:19:36] <_unreal_> swap partition
• 827[05:19:46] <debianinstall> so the problem is selecting xfce?
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• 831[05:21:24] <somiaj> debianinstall: I think it is xorg is having an issue detecting your keyboard/mouse and it is best to debug from booting into a console and not into a displya manager
• 832[05:21:48] <somiaj> _unreal_: is your swap partition mentioned in /etc/fstab?
• 833[05:22:05] <_unreal_> checking
• 834[05:22:06] <debianinstall> that's not the point , I mean I'm not really into trying to do somtehing complicated
• 835[05:22:24] <debianinstall> but Im assuming if I do something differently it'll start working, reinstall
• 836[05:22:37] <somiaj> debianinstall: this is not complicated, this is just trying to get to a point you can figure out what the problem is so you can fix it.
• 837[05:23:15] <somiaj> debianinstall: but the choice is yours, you can also in recovery mode check /var/log/Xorg.0.log see why it is failing to load
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• 839[05:23:50] <_unreal_> somiaj, replaced-url
• 840[05:23:54] <debianinstall> it's pretty complicated
• 841[05:24:47] <somiaj> _unreal_: your swap parititon should be mounting just fine at boot. What sort of errors are you getting?
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• 843[05:25:06] <_unreal_> I'm not getting any errors?
• 844[05:25:13] <_unreal_> but swap is not loaded
• 845[05:26:02] <_unreal_> if I look at TOP swap says 0/0
• 846[05:26:10] <iamawesome> Hi, what packages need to install to do chroot to a partition? chroot . /bin/bash
• 847[05:26:19] <_unreal_> 0/0MB
• 848[05:26:29] <iamawesome> Is it correct? chroot /media/sda1 /bin/bash
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• 851[05:27:13] <somiaj> unborn: systemctl status (does it say anything about any of your units failing?)
• 852[05:27:47] <somiaj> iamawesome: can you clarify. Are you trying to build a chroot you can chroot into or trying to go into a known chroot?
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• 854[05:30:02] <iamawesome> somiaj: I've done this: replaced-url
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• 856[05:31:08] <somiaj> iamawesome: you most likely don't need to list bash, but list the directory you want tchroot into, chroot /media/sda1
• 857[05:31:08] <iamawesome> /bin/bash: error while loading shared libraries: libtinfo.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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• 859[05:31:57] <somiaj> iamawesome: are you sure this directory has all the files you need to chroot into it?
• 860[05:33:01] <iamawesome> somiaj: Do I need more? replaced-url
• 861[05:34:19] <somiaj> iamawesome: I'm unsure why you are getting that error.
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• 867[05:40:41] <missmbob> iamawesome: maybe im not remembering properly. but aren't you an ubuntu user?
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• 873[05:44:35] <daemon> hey all how can I remove build-essential and the deps it installed
• 874[05:44:38] <daemon> need the space back :)
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• 878[05:47:17] <missmbob> daemon: apt-get remove and then apt-get autoremove
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• 881[05:48:49] <daemon> missmbob, ta
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• 885[05:51:30] <daemon> missmbob, that seems to just have uninstalled the build-essential meta package
• 886[05:51:35] <daemon> auto remove says
• 887[05:51:39] <daemon> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 50 not upgraded.
• 888[05:51:48] <daemon> but it did not remove gcc g++ libs etc
• 889[05:52:37] <jmcnaught> daemon: that usually means that you have other stuff installed that suggests these packages. Or it could be that these packages are not marked as auto installed for some reason.
• 890[05:52:55] <daemon> jmcnaught, I only installed build essential to compile one single source file
• 891[05:52:58] <daemon> should be nothing else relying on them
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• 896[05:53:40] <peterrooney> daemon: if you're concerned about space, the deborphan package is small and identifies most automatically installed packages that nothing is depending on any more.
• 897[05:53:54] <daemon> peterrooney, I have 19 bytes of free space
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• 899[05:54:16] <daemon> just had to ditch a few log fiels to have room to write the log file for apt-get :P
• 900[05:54:29] <daemon> so I could really do with removing all those large libs and binaries
• 901[05:54:58] <jmcnaught> daemon: have you run "apt-get clean" to clear out /var/cache/apt/archives?
• 902[05:55:05] <peterrooney> daemon: apt-get clean or apt-get autoclean
• 903[05:55:12] <daemon> 67M availible
• 904[05:55:13] <jmcnaught> daemon: also, how big is your root filesystem?
• 905[05:55:20] <daemon> jmcnaught, 214M
• 906[05:55:35] <jmcnaught> daemon: why so small? is this an embedded system or something?
• 907[05:55:37] <daemon> Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on
• 908[05:55:37] <daemon> ubi0_0 214.9M 143.2M 67.0M 68% /root.dev
• 909[05:55:38] <daemon> yeah
• 910[05:55:45] <daemon> gateway/mips thing
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• 921[06:02:50] <missmbob> !mips
• 922[06:02:51] <dpkg> MIPS is a <RISC> architecture (replaced-url
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• 941[06:17:16] <pingfloyd> daemon: best way to handle that is go through your installed packages and mark anything you don't care about as auto installed (except leave base and required packages as manually installed always). Then run apt-get autoremove (--purge if you want to remove their configs too).
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• 944[06:18:23] <pingfloyd> daemon: for the task of marking packages auto/manually installed, synaptic or aptitude is more efficient, but you can use apt-mark if you please.
• 945[06:20:06] <daemon> pingfloyd, ta I will give it a spin
• 946[06:22:42] <pingfloyd> daemon: mainly be careful of packages with priority: required (leave those alone).
• 947[06:24:34] <pingfloyd> when everything is right with installation of packages, should only ever need to manually remove packages that are marked manually installed. Sometimes though, packages you may not care about end up marked as manually installed. For example when you used a tasksel or used dpkg --set-selections.
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• 950[06:26:28] <daemon> pingfloyd, absolutely, I really only need free up a couple Mb
• 951[06:26:39] <daemon> there is an update coming out for this router soon anyhow that will totally reinstall the base os
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• 955[06:27:52] <pingfloyd> also, if you hurting on space, once you are confident your system is in a good state, you could clean out the local repository via apt-get remove or apt-get autoclean. The latter is the safer of the two.
• 956[06:28:15] <pingfloyd> s/apt-get remove/apt-get clean
• 957[06:29:06] <pingfloyd> daemon: yeah, on systems tight on storage, I'd definitely recommend just installing base when you run the installer, and install what you need as you go.
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• 959[06:29:36] <pingfloyd> *install what you need beyond base with apt-get/aptitude/synaptic as you go.
• 960[06:30:20] <daemon> pingfloyd, well its not that I technically need to install /anything/ its a Ubitiquit(sp?) EdgeRouter so its pretty much perfect straight away
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• 963[06:30:35] <daemon> only things I added was polipo and tor, then I found I wanted to compile a binary to test out a network problem
• 964[06:30:44] <pingfloyd> yeah
• 965[06:30:47] <daemon> which then I installed build-essential..... which is quite significantly larger than tor and polipo ;p
• 966[06:31:05] <pingfloyd> yeah, creating a build environment can up some storage
• 967[06:31:26] <pingfloyd> all the extra needed tools and -dev packages
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• 969[06:32:05] <pingfloyd> possibly in your case it would be more ideal to setup another system to build stuff on
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• 971[06:32:48] <pingfloyd> I'm guessing that router doesn't have a great deal of storage
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• 1019[07:05:45] <xsmltx> Hi, tell me please is there any way to use Lubuntu-core minimal to recognize a touch screen tablet? Thank you.
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• 1025[07:07:43] <themill> !lubuntu
• 1026[07:07:43] <dpkg> Lubuntu is a derivative of <Ubuntu> with <LXDE>. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
• 1027[07:08:25] <xsmltx> Excuse me themill
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• 1038[07:12:36] <geeknik> quiet in here, is that normal for midnight on a friday night?
• 1039[07:12:38] <debbydebian> I think quiet in here, is a lot of things.
• 1040[07:13:50] <themill> It's neither Friday nor midnight...
• 1041[07:13:52] <debbydebian> Are you sure neither Friday nor midnight is?
• 1042[07:14:04] <geeknik> i haven't been to sleep yet, so it's still Friday.
• 1043[07:14:05] <debbydebian> Me either.
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• 1091[07:54:38] <pingfloyd> ever heard of timezones?
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• 1105[08:10:57] <Khudher> Hello, i run debian-unstable, is it a bad idea to upgrade packages?
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• 1108[08:11:49] <themill> ummm... that's a weird question
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• 1110[08:13:57] <n4dir> using apt-listbugs won't hurt (as the question is weird, you probably don't know that package).
• 1111[08:15:37] <themill> Khudher: if you're wanting packages that are tested and installable, then you should run testing (stretch) instead.
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• 1122[08:28:50] <pingfloyd> Khudher: you always want to stay up to date as much as possible, but asking that question implies you're probably in for a rough ride with unstable. It's a good idea to always do a dry-run with upgrade first with unstable.
• 1123[08:29:21] <pingfloyd> Khudher: the repository can be in an inconsistent state with dependencies sometimes.
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• 1125[08:31:13] <pingfloyd> Khudher: things will break in unstable quite often and it is expected.
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• 1127[08:32:02] <n4dir> pingfloyd: for me unstable didn't break often.
• 1128[08:32:27] <themill> every time you get packages "kept back" unstable is broken. That's the normal state.
• 1129[08:32:27] <n4dir> sure it's better to expect it to break, though.
• 1130[08:33:10] <n4dir> ah, themill , to me "broken" was something different (like: i can't use it anymore ...).
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• 1133[08:33:35] <themill> well in that state, you can't install those packages which is pretty broken
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• 1135[08:34:13] <n4dir> yeah, sure, makes sense now. Though i seldom had to wait much longer than a few hours, a few days at max
• 1136[08:34:31] <n4dir> keeping the system small sure did help with that
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• 1138[08:38:16] <pingfloyd> n4dir: sounds more like you didn't realize it was broken. As far as being able to use anymore, depends what broke.
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• 1142[08:39:18] <pingfloyd> even testing once had a bad bug that slipped through the cracks that would result in data loss under the right circumstances
• 1143[08:39:24] <n4dir> i already said how it looked to me. If having to wait for a bit is broken, that is fine with me.
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• 1145[08:42:26] <n4dir> sure something different than not booting anymore. At least in my book.
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• 1149[08:45:05] <pingfloyd> here's a good example replaced-url
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• 1152[08:47:21] <n4dir> a good example for what?
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• 1154[08:47:45] <pingfloyd> nevermind
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• 1158[08:48:49] <awal1> that bug was just like a joke :P
• 1159[08:49:39] <n4dir> looks so.
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• 1161[08:50:08] <awal1> Khudher, if you run unstable you "should" not only upgrade regularly, but dist/full-upgrade
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• 1166[08:52:03] <awal1> n4dir, it's just a "parody" about how unstable can broke
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• 1169[08:52:58] <awal1> and less pkgs you have under sid, less bugs/broken system you get
• 1170[08:53:17] <n4dir> sure it can. though i am pretty sure there are examples a bit younger than 15 years ..
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• 1173[08:53:39] <awal1> I run sid with xfce/openbox and no important bugs at all
• 1174[08:53:54] <themill> Bug 155873 was real, not a joke.
• 1175[08:54:05] <pingfloyd> themill: you're wasting your time
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• 1177[08:54:06] <mrtrump> debian may have become too powerful
• 1178[08:54:16] <mrtrump> its easy to setup
• 1179[08:54:19] <mrtrump> and update
• 1180[08:54:23] <mrtrump> and nice n fast
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• 1183[08:54:29] <themill> mrtrump: that's enough, thanks.
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• 1185[08:55:04] <awal1> but I cross my fingers when major pkgs are upgraded (xorg, linux, some firmwares, lvm and initmafs stuff...)
• 1186[08:55:18] <awal1> initramfs ^
• 1187[08:55:22] <n4dir> awal1: yeah, with a wm or xfce i didn't have much problems. Not sure if i ever ran Sid with a big DE, probably not
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• 1189[08:55:58] <awal1> not with gnome/kde or cinnamon here, for sure :P
• 1190[08:56:31] <n4dir> in my opinion it is better to have a backup than the fingers crossed, but fingers crossed usually worked too ... :-)
• 1191[08:56:41] <awal1> almost not with gnome, since gnome3
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• 1193[08:57:38] <awal1> well, i use sid just for daily use (browsing web, music...); for serious stuff I run jessie
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• 1205[09:03:09] <awal1> kang0, no pm please. ask in room if you have any question
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• 1218[09:09:20] <rendar> i'm at runlevel5, i've removed lightdm in rc5.d and other stuff, but they continue to start, plus i have xfce4 in .xinitrc but gnome starts after lightdm --- what's going on?!?
• 1219[09:09:35] <hk238> I was just trying to install Linux mint debian avter having tried stable version of debian and finding out it doesn't work
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• 1227[09:10:00] <hk238> and I had an issue with mint debian, which is that it didnt support the graphics card. So I got nvidia-detect and installed nvidia drivers
• 1228[09:10:18] <hk238> which are apparently conflicting with debian somehow, and so afte that the desktop GUI whatever you call that refused to start
• 1229[09:10:34] <hk238> so basically I'll have to either reinstall it or try some other OS
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• 1231[09:10:56] <hk238> it doesnt make any sense try and fix some kernel module stuff which I have absolutely no idea of, unless someone else has already figured itout and you can find out how from google
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• 1234[09:12:02] <awal1> hk238, so you are running debian stable (jessie) and you want to prevent lightdm from being loaded at boot time?
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• 1236[09:12:22] <hk238> I tried debian jessie first.. Keyboard and mouse didnt work
• 1237[09:12:28] <rendar> awall yes
• 1238[09:12:29] <hk238> so I couldnt log in or do anything at all
• 1239[09:12:37] <hk238> but I could go into recovery mode and it worked
• 1240[09:12:48] <hk238> so I came here and asked the channel , and somiaj said I should look into Xorg.conf
• 1241[09:13:09] <hk238> so I thought I should probably avoid this problem altogether, and got Mint/debian, which seemed really promising
• 1242[09:13:19] <awal1> hk238, sorry I confused you with rendar
• 1243[09:13:24] <hk238> however once I got nvidia drivers, desktop GUI refused to start, and it was saying something about conflictin gkernel module
• 1244[09:13:39] <hk238> and xorg
• 1245[09:13:42] <awal1> rendar, do you have another display manager installed?
• 1246[09:14:05] <rendar> awal1, when i remove stuff from rc5.d they won't start anymore, but this time the continue to start...why in Earth? of course, i have xfce4
• 1247[09:15:08] <awal1> rendar, display manager like lightdm, gdm3, kdm...; not desktop environment like gnome, xfce...
• 1248[09:15:29] <rendar> awal1, i think ih have also gdm3 installed, why?
• 1249[09:16:00] <awal1> rendar, an easy way: just use systemctl. systemctl disable lightdm
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• 1251[09:16:23] <rendar> awal1, how? but my question was why stuff continues to start if i remove them from rc5.d
• 1252[09:16:23] <awal1> so lightdm will be disabled. gdm 3 will be started instead
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• 1254[09:16:27] <rendar> this is really pissing me off
• 1255[09:16:39] <rendar> i don't have the control on my system anymore, this way
• 1256[09:16:46] <awal1> iwas asking bcuz I tought you only have lightdm installed
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• 1259[09:17:25] <awal1> I found out that "something" starts the only display manager installed
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• 1261[09:18:08] <awal1> I mean: if you have only lightdm installed, or gdm3 or kdm..., something starts it even if disabled , via systemctl, or masked
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• 1263[09:18:27] <rendar> awal1, it should NOT
• 1264[09:18:39] <themill> rendar: debian has never used rc5.d in that way
• 1265[09:19:11] <awal1> "somethin" is configured in debian for start the display manager, if only one is installed, but I dont know what is that "something" exactly
• 1266[09:19:32] <rendar> themill, what? i've used rc*.d directories for many years and they always worked as expected, removing links of scripts from there, made NOT start the service
• 1267[09:19:44] <rendar> themill, now it seems to not work anymore, can you explain why?
• 1268[09:19:53] <themill> rendar: if you are using systemd with jessie, then it is systemd you need to configure, not sysvinit
• 1269[09:19:57] <rendar> awal1, that "something" should NOT start
• 1270[09:20:05] <rendar> themill, ok
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• 1272[09:20:16] <rendar> themill, what about apt-get purge systemd ?
• 1273[09:20:19] <themill> and unless you have configured otherwise, rc5.d is irrelevant
• 1274[09:20:20] <awal1> weeks ago I was talking with jmcnaught about this "issue", and he reproduced it it its machine
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• 1276[09:20:34] <awal1> in it's machine ^
• 1277[09:20:45] <rendar> themill, before having that systemd thing, rc.d stuff worked very well
• 1278[09:20:47] <themill> rendar: if you want to be one of the people who prefers to ragequit rather than learn.
• 1279[09:21:09] <hk238> so does anyone here know about using "nvidia" drivers instead of "Nouveau" drivers?
• 1280[09:21:24] <TomTomTo1> can you repeat what you are trying to do? i fail to see how we come from some issue related to lightdm to purging systemd.
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• 1282[09:21:34] <rendar> hk238, i have installed nvidia drives just yesterday and everything works perfectly
• 1283[09:21:35] <p0rt> I want to have something like python's virtualenv but with debian packages.
• 1284[09:21:46] <hk238> also if I already installed nvidia drivers and GUI ?
• 1285[09:21:53] <hk238> * Gui no longer works=?
• 1286[09:21:56] <p0rt> So I could use them without installing them on my system, but rather somewhere else
• 1287[09:21:58] <themill> p0rt: you can use chroots (schroot makes this easy)
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• 1289[09:22:05] <mrtrump> gnat work fine on deb 8.6?
• 1290[09:22:35] <rendar> TomTomTo1, well historically i have always configured boot services from /etc/rc*.d and now with systemd it seems those scripts will be ignored and systemd is in charge to configure what should be started and what not
• 1291[09:23:02] <themill> rendar: that just means you can configure them somewhere else
• 1292[09:23:10] <rendar> TomTomTo1, so I wish to learn how to tell systemd what stuff i want to start, and what not, and it MUST BE in some easier or same easy level than rc*.d
• 1293[09:23:17] <p0rt> themill: I'll be able to clone my system and then chroot into it, right?
• 1294[09:23:21] <rendar> themill, where?
• 1295[09:23:33] <hk238> anyone?
• 1296[09:23:36] <themill> rendar: that question was already answered, but you were too busy hitting all caps...
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• 1298[09:24:04] <TomTomTo1> rendar: systemctl disable lightdm.service ^^
• 1299[09:24:23] <rendar> TomTomTo1, nope, i want a list of all services systemd starts..
• 1300[09:24:38] <themill> rendar: no, that's not what you want at all
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• 1302[09:24:53] <rendar> themill, lol, yes! i want that because i have to configure something
• 1303[09:25:05] <rendar> themill, and i want some services to stop or not start at all
• 1304[09:25:07] <themill> no, you probably don't want to disable booting.
• 1305[09:25:17] <rendar> disable booting?!
• 1306[09:25:24] <rendar> i want to disable something I DONT USE.
• 1307[09:25:41] <themill> rendar: please read what you've been told already
• 1308[09:25:48] <rendar> how i can see what services systemd starts? can i do this?
• 1309[09:26:16] <themill> if you're using systemd then it has started everything that is running
• 1310[09:26:37] <rendar> yes but how i can have a list of services i want to stop or not running at all?
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• 1313[09:26:48] <TomTomTo1> systemctl list-unit-files | grep enabled
• 1314[09:26:55] <rendar> finally.
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• 1318[09:27:41] <themill> yeah, less with the "finally" stuff. You asked the question and got an answer immediately.
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• 1320[09:27:46] <conformist> systemctl --state=active
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• 1355[09:59:43] <Pr0metheus> Hi, on Gnome if i click on other Locations and select an NTFS i mounted under /mnt/Aux i get the message "Mount is denied because the NTFS volume is already exclusively opened...". If i go from Disks utility and click on the link /mnt/Aux i see all files normally. Any hint?
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• 1358[10:01:06] <mrtrump> icewm and learn mount and /etc/exports
• 1359[10:01:16] <mrtrump> do using command line not silly gnome crapola
• 1360[10:02:00] <Pr0metheus> i have another disk that is ntfs too and i use the same mount line in /etc/fstab - no difference
• 1361[10:02:13] <Pr0metheus> i mean the same parameters
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• 1375[10:06:58] <jmcnaught> Pr0metheus: do you mount the ntfs as root?
• 1376[10:07:03] <jmcnaught> what are the fstab lines?
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• 1380[10:07:44] <Pr0metheus> i use auto nodev,user,rw,exec,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=027,x-gvfs-show 0 0
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• 1384[10:08:28] <jmcnaught> why not show the whole line?
• 1385[10:08:43] <Pr0metheus> /dev/disk/by-uuid/562CB85B2CB83837 /mnt/Aux auto nodev,user,rw,exec,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=027,x-gvfs-show 0 0
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• 1389[10:11:12] <arvind_> In my dmesg I find: System wakeup disabled by ACPI . How do I solve this?
• 1390[10:11:32] <jmcnaught> Pr0metheus: i don't know what auto would use, ntfs or ntfs-3g. Have you tried the both? How do you mount it?
• 1391[10:11:33] <arvind_> I already googled somewhay but did not find anything other than a boot parm to add to grub. Did not work
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• 1393[10:12:09] <jmcnaught> arvind_: do you have a problem, or just a message in dmesg?
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• 1397[10:13:07] <arvind_> jmcnaught, it is in dmesg and the messege seems to be looping. I think it is an problem that i have yet to encounter the effects from.
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• 1401[10:13:23] <arvind_> jmcnaught, it is printed like 6x
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• 1404[10:14:02] <arvind_> jmcnaught, i also have other acpi warnings ACPI Warning: SystemIO range 0x0000000000000828-0x000000000000082F conflicts with OpRegion 0x0000000000000800-0x000000000000084F (\PMRG) (20160422/utaddress-255)
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• 1412[10:16:55] <jmcnaught> arvind_: i have the system wakeup message multiple times too but i've never noticed a problem related to power management
• 1413[10:19:07] <arvind_> jmcnaught, odd
• 1414[10:19:13] <jmcnaught> same with the second message
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• 1416[10:20:07] <arvind_> are you running stock kernel? Thinking about compiling my own ... i am bored
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• 1418[10:20:38] <jmcnaught> stock kernel. i wouldn't worry about those messages unless you think they're related to a problem you're having
• 1419[10:20:46] <rendar> i have just done apt-get purge systemd and now my system doesnt have networking anymore..it just doesnt connect to the router at startup..whats going on?
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• 1423[10:21:25] <arvind_> brb have undone my grub paramater mod
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• 1425[10:22:01] <rendar> i have also tried manually by comfiguring eth0 with ifconfig and route add default gateway <ip router> but it still doesnt work..any help before i wipe debian?
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• 1428[10:22:43] <jmcnaught> rendar: what else did apt-get remove with systemd?
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• 1430[10:23:21] <rendar> jmcnaught too many packets i cant remember all of those..like 160mb of stuff
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• 1435[10:24:24] <rendar> do you think it has removed also the network manager packet? eth0 isnt configured anymore at booting so it may be so
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• 1437[10:24:47] <jmcnaught> rendar: there are logs in /var/log/apt. did you look at the list before saying yes?
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• 1440[10:25:11] <TomTomTo1> you purged systemd and rebooted? that's all you did?
• 1441[10:25:30] <jmcnaught> rendar: how do you configure eth0 on your computer? also the way to get sysvinit is to install sysvinit-core and systemd-shim. you don't remove the systemd package
• 1442[10:25:31] <rendar> i look but i dont remeber to have seen something vital like network manager ...tomtom yes
• 1443[10:25:43] <TomTomTo1> you didn't install sysvinit-core before?
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• 1446[10:26:01] <rendar> ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.22 up
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• 1450[10:26:27] <rendar> tomtom it wasmalready there
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• 1454[10:26:43] <jmcnaught> removing the systemd package would remove networkmanager, but you did not answer how you normally configure eth0
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• 1456[10:26:56] <jmcnaught> did networkmanager do that? did /etc/network/interfaces do it?
• 1457[10:27:40] <rendar> i did.. usually by let eth0 up in that way then route add default gateway to tell the system the router ip is the gateway
• 1458[10:27:55] <rendar> and adding dns server in resolv.conf
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• 1464[10:28:37] <jmcnaught> rendar: in what way? you typed 'ifconfig eth0 ...' every time you booted?
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• 1466[10:28:59] <rendar> jm of course not, just now that networking inst working
• 1467[10:29:10] <rendar> the other times it was automatically configured by debian
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• 1469[10:29:24] <SuperSeriousCat> Installing Debian 8.6 using netinstall and chose my language in every single option, yet I cant use my keyboard. It works perfectly on Ubuntu
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• 1483[10:30:49] <rendar> so how i can fix this? how i can reinstall network manager.
• 1484[10:30:49] <rendar> .
• 1485[10:31:17] <jmcnaught> rendar: "apt-get install network-manager"
• 1486[10:31:25] <rendar> ive typed aptget install network-manager
• 1487[10:31:30] <rendar> oh, ok
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• 1624[10:33:50] <rendar> ok it was the network manager the problem
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• 1631[10:34:35] <rendar> but ...i still cant get it.. how network manager can be referenced ONLY by systemd? a packet so vital for the system....i find strange that if someone wipe systemd also network manager shouldmgo awaay
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• 1635[10:34:50] <rendar> sorry im typing from a broken keyboard
• 1636[10:35:13] <jmcnaught> rendar: you're supposed to read the list of packages to be removed before you answer yes
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• 1638[10:35:33] <rendar> jm youre absolutely right, and the next time i will be more cautious
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• 1642[10:35:55] <TomTomTo1> sure it didn't reinstall systemd with network-manager ?
• 1643[10:35:57] <rendar> jm but packets were plenty and maybe i just didnt see it..
• 1644[10:36:05] <rendar> tomtom, lol.
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• 1646[10:36:13] <jmcnaught> some software on Debian requires systemd. to let users use sysvinit, Debian made the systemd-shim package which filles in the parts provided by systemd that sysvinit lacks
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• 1649[10:36:42] <rendar> thats interesting
• 1650[10:36:49] <jmcnaught> systemd is on the init when the systemd-sysv package is installed. having the systemd package installed does not make it your init
• 1651[10:36:57] <jmcnaught> s/on/only/
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• 1658[10:37:37] <rendar> i see
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• 1662[10:37:54] <ProfSechs> Can anyone give me some startup ideas?
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• 1665[10:38:12] <n4dir> i thought systemd-shim wouldn't exist anymore ?
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• 1668[10:38:26] <rendar> ProfSechs: of course, support for systemd
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• 1670[10:38:52] <ProfSechs> hmm ok thanks..
• 1671[10:38:56] <jmcnaught> SuperSeriousCat: what kind of keyboard is it?
• 1672[10:39:00] <rendar> jmcnaught: btw many thanks for your help but more importantly for your patience
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• 1676[10:39:25] <n4dir> well: i was wrong ...
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• 1678[10:40:30] <SuperSeriousCat> jmcnaught, NO_nb, but I figured it out now. It was a Chromium bug and not Debian. ESXi VM
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• 1681[10:41:23] <jmcnaught> SuperSeriousCat: ahh good. i was about to direct you to 'dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration'
• 1682[10:41:47] <SuperSeriousCat> Could not do that, there was no way of getting the - to appear :p
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• 1684[10:42:09] <jmcnaught> SuperSeriousCat: not even copy/paste or the selection buffer?
• 1685[10:42:59] <SuperSeriousCat> Probably some kind of way, but none I know of. SSH maybe
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• 1692[10:44:23] <jmcnaught> SuperSeriousCat: in X11 middle click pastes whatever was most recently selected.
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• 1698[10:46:37] <SuperSeriousCat> Dont think they share same clipboard unless I change some ettings
• 1699[10:46:38] <SuperSeriousCat> settings
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• 1704[10:49:18] <jmcnaught> you're right, it's separate from the clipboard. but you can use it without the keyboard
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• 1774[10:51:15] <sappel> Good Morning. Anyone can tell me how to start a script like this? replaced-url
• 1775[10:51:55] <Scuttle> sappel: sh script.sh
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• 1777[10:52:26] <sappel> but the up/down thing?
• 1778[10:52:32] <Scuttle> sappel: sh script.sh up
• 1779[10:52:33] <Scuttle> sappel: sh script.sh down
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• 1788[10:54:07] <sappel> I get a syntax error for line 3 "(" unexpected
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• 1793[10:56:46] <TomTomTo1> looks like bash syntax not dash.
• 1794[10:57:39] <sappel> it is a bash script
• 1795[10:57:48] <TomTomTo1> so start it with bash not sh.
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• 1799[10:58:02] <TomTomTo1> sh is a link to dash
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• 1801[10:58:34] <sappel> oh, ok...thanks, good to know ;)
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• 1829[11:13:12] <no_gravity> How can I exit a hanging ssh terminal?
• 1830[11:14:40] <no_gravity> Ha, its' <enter>~. !
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• 1842[11:21:19] <azarus> Hey guys, i have problems setting a static ip, here's my /etc/network/interfaces: replaced-url
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• 1844[11:21:48] <nkuttler> azarus: and what's the problem?
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• 1846[11:21:59] <azarus> I get no IP.
• 1847[11:22:03] <azarus> No connection.
• 1848[11:22:06] <nkuttler> when you do what?
• 1849[11:22:12] <at0m|c> .coffee dutchfish
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• 1851[11:22:33] <azarus> Boot up the machine with the previously stated /etc/network/interfaces
• 1852[11:22:44] <nkuttler> azarus: you have no auto line for that interface
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• 1855[11:23:23] <azarus> If i do have an auto line, can i still have a static ip, nkuttler ?
• 1856[11:24:21] <nkuttler> azarus: sure
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• 1858[11:24:43] <azarus> Great! I'll look up a stock one and add an auto line. Thanks!
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• 1860[11:26:17] <koshie> Hello, if I have question about pinning on debian stable, should I ask here or on #debian-next?
• 1861[11:26:25] <nkuttler> !pinning
• 1862[11:26:25] <dpkg> Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at replaced-url
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• 1874[11:28:39] <azarus> nkuttler, i now have this; replaced-url
• 1875[11:28:50] <hyper_ch> hmmm, what could be the problem when an external usb keeps going to read-only when rsync is being used to backup data to it
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• 1878[11:29:07] <nkuttler> azarus: did you reboot, or?
• 1879[11:29:08] <koshie> Thanks nkuttler, but replaced-url
• 1880[11:29:14] <azarus> I did reboot once
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• 1883[11:30:03] <nkuttler> azarus: you mean after modifying the file?
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• 1885[11:30:20] <azarus> Yes, after editing the file-
• 1886[11:30:26] <nkuttler> azarus: try ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0
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• 1894[11:31:42] <azarus> nkuttler, ifdown eth0 gives me " /etc/network/interfaces:31: option with empty value ifdown: couldn't read interfaces file"
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• 1905[11:35:28] <nkuttler> azarus: what's in the included file?
• 1906[11:36:06] <azarus> nkuttler, this replaced-url
• 1907[11:36:28] <nkuttler> azarus: source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*
• 1908[11:36:40] <azarus> Sorry, i'll look it up
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• 2052[12:01:03] <azarus> Hm. Anyone here?
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• 2055[12:02:01] <xsmltx> Hi, tell me pleas, if only Fluxbox is installed on the device with no othee environment and only xinit without xorg, is there any way to set the resolution without installing xrandr? Thank you.
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• 2057[12:03:41] <vlt> xsmltx: I’m pretty sure you need xorg for Fluxbox.
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• 2059[12:07:40] <xsmltx> Oh ok vlt :) it seams I am wrong, an other alternative for Flux to work then xorg, like xvesa or any other please?
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• 2078[12:12:35] <iamawesome> Which package contains the ldd command?
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• 2084[12:14:16] <vlt> iamawesome: libc-bin maybe
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• 2086[12:14:44] <vlt> iamawesome: dpkg -S $(which ldd)
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• 2089[12:16:25] <iamawesome> vlt: libc-bin
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• 2094[12:18:05] <dutchfish> iamawesome, also fakechroot and pax-utils, if installed
• 2095[12:18:48] <azarus> My network doesn't work, here's my /etc/network/interfaces replaced-url
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• 2102[12:21:06] <vlt> azarus: Can you elaborate on “doesn’t work”?
• 2103[12:21:38] <azarus> Yes. The debian box is connected to a switch with a network and ip a doesn't show an ip
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• 2105[12:22:42] <c00lbard> azarus: Try without allow-hotplug
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• 2110[12:23:09] <azarus> replaced-url
• 2111[12:23:20] <vlt> azarus: Does the machine have an eth0 interface?
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• 2113[12:23:30] <vlt> azarus: ifconfig -a
• 2114[12:23:45] <azarus> vlt, yes it does.
• 2115[12:24:14] <azarus> c00lbard, i read it wrong sorry, i'll try /without/ hotplug
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• 2120[12:28:02] <azarus> c00lbard, removing allow-hotplug eth0 made no change when rebooting
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• 2123[12:30:02] <c00lbard> azarus: You have enabled networking to start at boot?
• 2124[12:30:26] <azarus> How do I make sure, c00lbard ?
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• 2127[12:32:19] <c00lbard> azarus: update-rc.d networking enable
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• 2130[12:33:41] <c00lbard> azarus: or "systemctl enable networking" depending on version
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• 2138[12:35:51] <azarus> Did that, c00lbard, no change
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• 2149[12:40:21] <c00lbard> azarus: Did you also restart the networking service?
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• 2151[12:40:59] <Hestben> Hey guys. I have a folder where 'ls -l' reports "d????????? ? ? ? ? ? file-name". Is my file system going awry?
• 2152[12:41:15] <azarus> c00lbard, yes, i did restart the service.
• 2153[12:41:41] <Hestben> Running 'ls -l" as root works, and my user is the owner of the folder and parent folder.
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• 2159[12:46:02] <c00lbard> azarus: What it the output from "ifconfig eth0"?
• 2160[12:46:55] <c00lbard> Hestben: Is it a shared or local filesystem?
• 2161[12:47:19] <Hestben> c00lbard: local.
• 2162[12:47:40] <Hestben> c00lbard: nevermind, I think I hadn't set the correct permissions
• 2163[12:47:53] <azarus> c00lbard, Link encap:ethernet HWaddr <mac_address> BROADCAST MULTICAST and the such
• 2164[12:48:23] <c00lbard> Hestben: you need read and execute permissions to see persmissions
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• 2167[12:49:20] <Hestben> c00lbard: yes. Sorry. PEBKAC
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• 2170[12:50:53] <c00lbard> azarus: Try "ifconfig eth0 up", "ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.161 netmask 255.255.255.0" and "route add default gw 192.168.1.1 eth0"
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• 2180[12:52:49] <azarus> c00lbard, now i've got networking enabled on the debian box
• 2181[12:53:23] <c00lbard> azarus: after running the commands?
• 2182[12:53:27] <azarus> Yes
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• 2184[12:54:09] <azarus> I now see the machine on the router page
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• 2186[12:55:47] <c00lbard> azarus: Okay. You can try to remove the ipv6 config in the interfaces file.
• 2187[12:56:01] <azarus> Okay, on it.
• 2188[12:56:45] <azarus> Done.
• 2189[12:57:32] <c00lbard> azarus: you should probably reboot to ensure that the manual configuration is gone
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• 2192[12:59:13] <azarus> c00lbard, so rebooted.
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• 2194[12:59:44] <c00lbard> azarus: network connection?
• 2195[13:00:37] <azarus> ping: Network is unreachable
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• 2198[13:01:36] <Lisaevb> The German people have been systematically vilified because they dared to stand up to the world banking cabal in their own country. See this book: "The Myth of German Villainy" by Benton Bradberry. On YT be sure to check out ALL WARS ARE BANKERS' WARS.
• 2199[13:01:58] <Lisaevb> SORRY MOM, I was WRONG about the "HOLOCAUST" - Monika Schaefer, Green Party Politician: replaced-url
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• 2201[13:04:03] <c00lbard> azarus: strange.. the interfaces file looks okay. any error messages when running "service networking restart" or "systemctl restart networking"?
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• 2203[13:04:13] <azarus> No, c00lbard
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• 2205[13:04:34] <Lisaevb> azarus, The German people have been systematically vilified because they dared to stand up to the world banking cabal in their own country. See this book: "The Myth of German Villainy" by Benton Bradberry. On YT be sure to check out ALL WARS ARE BANKERS' WARS.
• 2206[13:04:45] <dutchfish> Lisaevb, stop that
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• 2209[13:05:29] <azarus> ping me once, shame on me. ping me twice, shame on me. Ping me three times, ITS TME TO STOP
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• 2214[13:05:36] <TomTomTo1> !ops nazi troll is back
• 2215[13:05:36] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: tomtomto1 complains about: nazi troll is back
• 2216[13:05:46] <Lisaevb> TomTomTo1, SORRY MOM, I was WRONG about the "HOLOCAUST" - Monika Schaefer, Green Party Politician: replaced-url
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• 2218[13:06:06] <Lisaevb> TomTomTo1, The German people have been systematically vilified because they dared to stand up to the world banking cabal in their own country. See this book: "The Myth of German Villainy" by Benton Bradberry. On YT be sure to check out ALL WARS ARE BANKERS' WARS.
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• 2224[13:07:03] <azarus> thanks
• 2225[13:07:10] <misko> thanks
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• 2248[13:19:58] <JohnA> Setup : 2 stretch servers (postfix-dovecot ..., webdav, davical, http), 1 stretch desktop (lxde). I have been using lxde for a while and am wondering if there is a "better" desktop. tried gnome, but could not find away of removing the junk (evolution et al).
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• 2253[13:20:58] <azarus> Hm. I still have no luck with my networking
• 2254[13:21:02] <JohnA> I have more than 1 dt, but the ofters are M$ at the moment.
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• 2256[13:22:17] <JohnA> azarus: whats your problem?
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• 2261[13:23:17] <azarus> I've got a debian box hooked up to a passive switch that is connected to my router. Now, after i wanted to set up a static ip, no connection is available.
• 2262[13:23:55] <azarus> When i do ifconfig eth0 up and "ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.161 netmask 255.255.255.0" it works
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• 2265[13:24:39] <JohnA> how is router configed?
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• 2267[13:25:00] <azarus> JohnA, stock, dhcp from 192.168.1.100 to 192.168.1.161
• 2268[13:25:16] <azarus> My arch works with NetworkManager
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• 2278[13:28:01] <JohnA> 1: I would avoid using addresses in the range ...1.100 - ...1.161 there may be a problem between DHCP and static, there shouldn't be but shouldn't and won't are different animals.
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• 2281[13:29:00] <azarus> So i should set a static ip up at the router in a different ip range?
• 2282[13:29:19] <Sir_Designer> 162-253
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• 2285[13:30:38] <azarus> In the router, should i recognise the device by IP, MAC or name?
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• 2289[13:32:57] <JohnA> no just use the ...1.1 - ...1.99, if you are usinng a net mask of 255.255.255.0 you are creating a /24 network which has 255 addresses, usually looks something like - ..1.0 = network address, ...1.1 = gateway, ..1.2.to ...1.254 addresses, ..1.255 broadcast.
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• 2292[13:33:41] <azarus> Okay, so how should i change my /etc/network/interfaces file?
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• 2294[13:34:24] <JohnA> azarus: you then tell dhcp to hand out addresses in the ...1.100 to ...1.161 range on request.
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• 2296[13:34:36] <JohnA> azarus: what does it say now?
• 2297[13:35:12] <azarus> Well, which command?
• 2298[13:36:11] <JohnA> take a look with an editor, or cat it.
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• 2300[13:36:33] <JohnA> azarus: cat /etc/network/interfaces
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• 2303[13:38:47] <azarus> replaced-url
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• 2321[13:48:13] <JohnA> azarus: replaced-url
• 2322[13:48:48] <azarus> I don't have a enp2s0, just a eth0?
• 2323[13:49:48] <JohnA> azarus: yep, minor glitch on my part, change enp2s0 to eth0.
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• 2325[13:49:57] <azarus> Okay, on it
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• 2331[13:53:41] <azarus> JohnA, it rebooted and it worked!
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• 2334[13:54:35] <azarus> Thanks, JohnA !
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• 2336[13:55:10] <JohnA> ?? on your network, why are you using /24 (255 addresses) on your router?
• 2337[13:55:49] <JohnA> azarus: ?? on your network, why are you using /24 (255 addresses) on your router?
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• 2339[13:56:18] <azarus> Hm? I didn't change anything with dhcp
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• 2344[13:58:53] <JohnA> i would look into limiting the size of my network address pool. I run my router with two vlans, one for the DMZ and one for the local network. i limit the local network to 32 addresses.
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• 2347[13:59:58] <arvind_> why do so many ppl have tourble with system.d - wonder why someone would prefer th bsd init sytem
• 2348[14:00:35] <JohnA> azarus: limiting the local addresses pool reduces the attack surface that you expose.
• 2349[14:00:43] <azarus> Hm, i'll look into that.
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• 2351[14:01:02] <azarus> Hm, i'll look into that. '
• 2352[14:01:08] <azarus> How would i do that? At the router?
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• 2354[14:01:22] <JohnA> azarus: how many machines are you running on your network?
• 2355[14:01:42] <azarus> About 7
• 2356[14:02:09] <JohnA> how many in the DMZ
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• 2358[14:02:24] <azarus> §
• 2359[14:02:25] <azarus> 1
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• 2362[14:04:43] <azarus> And by the way, how would i be able to access the debian box from other places that aren't in the network
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• 2369[14:06:41] <foocraft> Is there any black magic required to get bluetooth headphones working with debian?
• 2370[14:07:09] <polemic> depends on the bluetooth device on the computer
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• 2375[14:08:43] <foocraft> the thing is, it works, after a few systemctl restarts of some services and repeating the pairing process a couple of times
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• 2377[14:09:10] <foocraft> obviously there's something flaky about the software setup I think
• 2378[14:09:26] <foocraft> when it works, it keeps working until I disconnect it, that's for sure
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• 2381[14:09:41] <JohnA> azarus: I would setup the router to some thing like 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.224 which would give you 32 addresses, set the dhcp to 192.168.1.5 - 30. this gives you 5 static adrees 2 - 7, + 24 dhcp .
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• 2384[14:10:07] <polemic> what services need restarting? maybe they are being raised in the wrong order initially?
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• 2386[14:10:54] <foocraft> in fact, I have no issue with the headphone pairing, that always works
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• 2388[14:11:09] <foocraft> but showing the headphone as an audio device is the flaky part
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• 2392[14:12:07] <azarus> JohnA, the router doesn't allow me to set the netmask to 255.255.255.224
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• 2395[14:12:53] <JohnA> azarus: if you want to access that machine fro outside your network you will have to look into either the firewall rules or the DMZ.
• 2396[14:13:25] <azarus> Hm. I would like to set up a DMZ, i'll look into that
• 2397[14:14:56] <azarus> Could i user DynDNS?
• 2398[14:14:56] <JohnA> azarus: you may have to change the dhcp setting first, then the network. your curreent dhcp setting 100 - 161 are outside the new network.
• 2399[14:15:01] <azarus> use*
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• 2402[14:17:05] <JohnA> azarus: yes, I don't use it as I have a static ip block, but I have in the past and it works. There are other services that offer the same function.
• 2403[14:17:32] <azarus> Am i still connected?
• 2404[14:17:47] <JohnA> azarus: looks like it
• 2405[14:17:59] <azarus> My browser is throwing a tantrum then
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• 2410[14:18:28] <azarus> It takes a long time to connect to 192.168.1.1
• 2411[14:18:43] <azarus> I think my router is a bit overloaded right now
• 2412[14:19:31] <JohnA> are you sure that your router is on ..1.1, some dlinks use ..1.254
• 2413[14:19:38] <azarus> Yes.
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• 2415[14:20:41] <azarus> I can't access any webpages
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• 2417[14:22:09] <azarus> Hm. Restart the router?
• 2418[14:22:22] <azarus> Ah well it works again
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• 2420[14:23:55] <azarus> I can access the debian machine, but router settings and webpages take forever
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• 2424[14:24:50] <azarus> Ah well i'll restart the router. Brb
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• 2426[14:25:13] <JohnA> azarus: not sure why that might be, could be DNS
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• 2431[14:26:52] <foocraft> Just an FYI, archlinux wiki helped on this: /etc/bluetooth.conf add to [General] Enable=Socket and now pairing makes the device appear in the audio outputs
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• 2442[14:30:27] <ewanas> very nice :D hexchat crashes when spotify crashes.. which happens very often
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• 2448[14:33:27] <LostSoul> Hi there
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• 2450[14:34:16] <LostSoul> I've compiled nginx from sources and it made me start to wondering what happens in the system when I have nginx installed from repo (dpkg still shows it) and I complied it from sources
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• 2453[14:35:16] <LostSoul> When I remove nginx (one from sources), nginx seems still to be on the system but I was unable to run it. Is there other way to use it besides re-install from repo? :)
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• 2458[14:36:30] <foocraft> either you want to compile from source and install it as a debian package, or you want to just install it from source by compiling it and moving the files to right place
• 2459[14:36:35] <nkuttler> LostSoul: what's the error?
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• 2461[14:37:14] <foocraft> If you want the second, just uninstall it from dpkg first, then try to put your binaries away from a place which debian would use for that package... it seems cleaner that way
• 2462[14:38:16] <LostSoul> nkuttler: nginx: [emerg] mkdir() "/usr/local/nginx/uwsgi_temp" failed (2: No such file or directory)
• 2463[14:38:25] <LostSoul> I reinstalled from repo and it started working
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• 2465[14:38:33] <LostSoul> Thing is foocraft, how to remove complied one?
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• 2467[14:38:53] <LostSoul> If it doesn't show up in the dpkg and make uninstall is not working
• 2468[14:39:03] <otyugh_II> hey. I'm looking for a list of free format ; I could only find a partial essay on that on wikipedia ; is there any official list somewhere ?
• 2469[14:39:18] <foocraft> if you followed standard instructions for building and installing it(presumably from makefile. e.g. sudo make install) then check if there's an uninstall target
• 2470[14:39:21] <LostSoul> I removed dirs, what cause an error, but I wanted to know how does it work in the system to have 2 version of same packages?
• 2471[14:39:32] <LostSoul> "check if there's an uninstall target
• 2472[14:39:38] <LostSoul> There was no such
• 2473[14:40:08] <foocraft> so let me get this straight. you removed the files, but nginx still can be executed? try which nginx
• 2474[14:40:08] <nkuttler> foocraft: free format?
• 2475[14:40:21] <LostSoul> foocraft: No it was not
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• 2477[14:40:36] <nkuttler> otyugh_II: free format?
• 2478[14:40:38] <LostSoul> I was wondering why it was still showed up in the dpkg after isntalling from source
• 2479[14:40:42] <foocraft> nkuttler, free format? Okay, take this windows xp computer
• 2480[14:40:57] <otyugh_II> nkuttler, yep. Like vorbis/gif/png/odt and such
• 2481[14:41:03] <LostSoul> Also how can I recompile nginx with current sets of options + one module more?
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• 2483[14:41:09] <LostSoul> Is there easy way to do it?
• 2484[14:41:18] <nkuttler> !package recompile
• 2485[14:41:18] <dpkg> 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
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• 2492[14:43:27] <LostSoul> Thanks nkuttler
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• 2495[14:47:44] <LostSoul> nkuttler: I have another problem
• 2496[14:47:59] <LostSoul> I did nginx -V
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• 2498[14:48:17] <LostSoul> I spotted all module, I wanted to configure it before compile and I get error:
• 2499[14:48:24] <LostSoul> adding module in /build/nginx-ryOGNl/nginx-1.6.2/debian/modules/nginx-auth-pam
• 2500[14:48:24] <LostSoul> ./configure: error: no /build/nginx-ryOGNl/nginx-1.6.2/debian/modules/nginx-auth-pam/config was found
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• 2502[14:48:40] <LostSoul> Should I get all modules on my own?
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• 2504[14:48:52] <nkuttler> LostSoul: if you build your own nginx, #nginx
• 2505[14:49:07] <nkuttler> or was that using the recompile method?
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• 2508[14:49:23] <LostSoul> I used it
• 2509[14:49:40] <LostSoul> I mean method that you recommended
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• 2514[14:50:29] <LostSoul> I got me more packages that I already had but I was able to get the source
• 2515[14:50:37] <misko> 3 monsters 16:00>19:00
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• 2517[14:50:43] <misko> |DM| how sam?
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• 2519[14:51:10] <azarus> JohnA, it works again now. I set your settings and all devices can connect now
• 2520[14:51:22] <azarus> My debian box now has an IP of 192.168.1.2
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• 2531[14:53:56] <JohnA> azarus: Good.
• 2532[14:54:13] <azarus> I can send you a prtsc of the settigns
• 2533[14:54:18] <azarus> settings*
• 2534[14:54:28] <misko> unbelivable, sir.
• 2535[14:54:34] <JohnA> yep
• 2536[14:54:54] <LostSoul> nkuttler: Ok I got nice tutorial on how to do it
• 2537[14:55:01] <LostSoul> Thanks you for your assistance :)
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• 2544[14:58:31] <azarus> JohnA, replaced-url
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• 2547[14:59:50] <azarus> Sorry, realised it had some privat information, deleted the album, reuploading
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• 2553[15:01:18] <azarus> JohnA, replaced-url
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• 2555[15:01:42] <arvind_> Anyone seen replaced-url
• 2556[15:02:01] <azarus> "Now with less personal information" ™
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• 2559[15:04:28] <JohnA> azarus: very private, not accessible
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• 2561[15:05:21] <azarus> So that's better than before, right?
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• 2563[15:05:56] <JohnA> azarus: from what I saw looks fine. I dont see a DMZ tab, but it might be the port forwarding:
• 2564[15:06:25] <azarus> Might it be services?
• 2565[15:07:05] <azarus> I tried port forwarding, but it leads me to services
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• 2570[15:08:31] <azarus> JohnA, replaced-url
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• 2576[15:10:01] <azarus> JohnA, to turn on "Expert Mode" i have to enable the IPv6 Firewall, should i dp that?
• 2577[15:10:52] <JohnA> azarus: could be I don't know that device or how it defines a DMZ.
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• 2584[15:12:35] <azarus> I can do a static nat, JohnA
• 2585[15:12:37] <JohnA> azarus: I don't see any great problem in turning on the IPv6 firewall. but its your system
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• 2595[15:15:00] <azarus> Can i do something from here? replaced-url
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• 2616[15:28:15] <JohnA> azarus, this looks like the firewall, use services.
• 2617[15:28:45] <azarus> I'm calling my ISP maybe they know better
• 2618[15:28:56] <JohnA> management meeting
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• 2620[15:29:51] <azarus> So, services
• 2621[15:30:17] <azarus> TCP, since UDP won't make much sense for this
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• 2625[15:30:42] <azarus> Should i give the apache ports?
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• 2628[15:32:21] <azarus> JohnA, is port 80 okay for apache2?
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• 2630[15:32:35] <misko> UDP is good for OpenVPN but for apache no
• 2631[15:33:01] <misko> azarus 80 https 443 8080 for https
• 2632[15:33:10] <azarus> Okay, i added both
• 2633[15:33:11] <misko> eh 80/tcp = http
• 2634[15:33:15] <misko> good
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• 2718[16:16:20] <knoppix> Hi, how do i add a valid squeeze Repository to work with debian squeeze (6.x) ? Is there a example file i could download and copy and paste ?
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• 2722[16:17:10] <knoppix> talking about sources.list...
• 2723[16:17:17] <knoppix> pls..
• 2724[16:17:22] <TomTomTo1> !squeeze sources.list
• 2725[16:17:23] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 2731[16:18:14] <femme> yo can add it to a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ too
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• 2744[16:24:48] <knoppix> TomTomTol, thank you very much, i hope this helps me to get along..
• 2745[16:26:18] <TomTomTo1> <mandatory reminder about squeeze not being supported anymore and the issues related to running an outdated system>
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• 2749[16:27:27] <knoppix> Tom01, yup... got that...
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• 2767[16:37:03] <techno2900> Hello ! I have no sound when I watch a video on gnome-mplayer. Can you help me ?
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• 2769[16:37:39] <techno2900> please ?
• 2770[16:37:50] <Anselmo> well
• 2771[16:38:02] <Anselmo> has your current computer ever worked with sound ?
• 2772[16:38:13] <techno2900> Yes
• 2773[16:38:30] <techno2900> I have sound ever...
• 2774[16:38:35] <Anselmo> and it currently works under other programs
• 2775[16:38:45] <Anselmo> just not gnome-mplayer
• 2776[16:38:46] <Anselmo> ?
• 2777[16:39:10] <techno2900> yes
• 2778[16:39:23] <techno2900> I have no sound just on gnome-mplayer
• 2779[16:39:27] <Anselmo> ok
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• 2781[16:40:11] <teraflops> techno2900: then it looks like you're missing gst plugins whatever
• 2782[16:40:42] <techno2900> teraflops : How can I download this gst plugins ?
• 2783[16:41:28] <teraflops> they are in the repos
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• 2786[16:42:38] <techno2900> yes, but how can I install this plugins ? There are already installed ?
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• 2788[16:43:24] <Anselmo> install them with apt
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• 2790[16:43:29] <Anselmo> so like,
• 2791[16:43:46] <Anselmo> apt search gst plugins
• 2792[16:43:57] <Anselmo> and install what looks right, or update it
• 2793[16:44:53] <techno2900> replaced-url
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• 2802[16:48:33] <techno2900> Anselmo : What plugin I install ? replaced-url
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• 2804[16:48:51] <Anselmo> I'm looking. . . .
• 2805[16:49:37] <Anselmo> but honestly, I can only make vauge guesses. . .
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• 2808[16:50:46] <techno2900> okay
• 2809[16:51:25] <Anselmo> I'm sorry, hopefully someone else can help
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• 2811[16:51:34] <techno2900> okay thanks !
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• 2813[16:52:02] <techno2900> teraflops : do you know what plugins I have to install : replaced-url
• 2814[16:52:05] <teraflops> techno2900: ok what I should do is: run mediainfo no the video and find out/google which gst plugin group you need
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• 2816[16:52:26] <teraflops> techno2900: no because idk what are you trying to play
• 2817[16:52:38] <techno2900> A mkv video
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• 2819[16:53:28] <teraflops> also I said: it looks to me, no: yo definitely have to, anyway looks to me the issue is missing codecs
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• 2821[16:53:51] <teraflops> run mediainfo on*
• 2822[16:54:04] <teraflops> mkv? that info is useless
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• 2824[16:54:19] <techno2900> okay so I convert my MKV to a MP4 ?
• 2825[16:54:20] <teraflops> mkv is a container
• 2826[16:54:24] <techno2900> It's better ?
• 2827[16:54:34] <teraflops> *shrugs*
• 2828[16:55:10] <techno2900> I convert my MKV video to MP4 ? it's better to do that ?
• 2829[16:55:15] <teraflops> no?
• 2830[16:55:31] <teraflops> techno2900: please read what I wrote
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• 2832[16:55:43] <techno2900> mkv is a container
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• 2835[16:56:53] <techno2900> teraflops : Now, I'm confuse
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• 2848[17:03:28] <techno2900> teraflops : I have to go, thank you for your help :)
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• 2850[17:04:09] <teraflops> techno2900: np
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• 2856[17:05:25] <lighteningbolt> Thank You for the Debian Channel
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• 2858[17:05:28] <yepla> hello
• 2859[17:06:05] <yepla> i m looking for a compatible gpu usb 3.0 card adaptator
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• 2862[17:06:32] <yepla> does there are a list of supported material on debian ?
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• 2864[17:07:55] <yepla> i m just seeing No Linux support at this time
• 2865[17:08:01] <yepla> on all product i see
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• 2868[17:08:39] <lighteningbolt> I quickly found a patch for debian and Nvidia driver issues reading a debian forum
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• 2879[17:10:23] <WilliamC> Two questions
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• 2881[17:10:44] <WilliamC> I want to create a custom live image, is that possible?
• 2882[17:11:22] <daemon> yes
• 2883[17:11:30] <WilliamC> Also, the live image sometimes locks up when I'm playing Flash games, what can I do to stop that
• 2884[17:11:39] <daemon> stop using flash
• 2885[17:11:45] <WilliamC> durrr
• 2886[17:11:50] <daemon> you asked
• 2887[17:12:20] <WilliamC> How do I create a custom live image?
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• 2889[17:12:56] <daemon> research how live md images and cd images work roll your own
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• 2891[17:14:19] <n4dir> WilliamC: You can search for refracta tools. It is a project not really related to Debian. But it does the job of rolling your own live-ISO fine
• 2892[17:14:58] <n4dir> back then you could do it with live-builder, but i think it doesn't work anymore (creating your own customized image)
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• 2902[17:20:32] <somiaj> I think the live tools are still in debian and can be used.
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• 2904[17:20:58] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 3020[18:16:22] <pragomer_1> any idea how I could change timestamp of my pictures (timestamp of last change) vice versa? because my samsung galery app always shows newest changed picture on top. I dont want to use any different photo app. is this possible with bash or something?
• 3021[18:19:13] <Akuli> set your system's time, do something to a picture and set your system's time back
• 3022[18:19:27] <Akuli> or just use another photo application :)
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• 3025[18:20:33] <pragomer_1> mm.. I mean it relatively... look.. I got picture1, picture2, picture3... by renaming picture3 is changed as last... and the app shows it p3,p2,p1.. clear... I though about anythin like "touch" to change the timestamp vice versa
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• 3028[18:20:58] <Akuli> you want to set it to current time?
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• 3030[18:21:22] <Akuli> maybe writing nothing to it is enough to change the modification time... but i think that's what touch does anyway
• 3031[18:21:36] <pragomer_1> no.. thats no must have.. just picture1 to have a "newer" changing time as picture3 for example
• 3032[18:22:24] <pragomer_1> mm.. touch only changes the time of last access, right? is there something that changes time of modification?
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• 3042[18:25:14] <stoned> daemon: o/
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• 3045[18:25:37] <stoned> pragomer_1: depends on if noatime is mount option
• 3046[18:25:48] <stoned> depends on a couple things, but yeah, word.
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• 3049[18:26:11] <pragomer_1> mm.. its under debian in vbox.. pictures are on a windows10 (my wife's pc I swear :-) )
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• 3054[18:27:15] <pragomer_1> mm.. trying it with find and touch... wondering.. how can I get .. with find.. the filenames sorted vice versa??
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• 3057[18:27:26] <stoned> So the problem is that windows and debian have different system times which causes your images to show up in a different order?
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• 3063[18:27:51] <stoned> The goal would be to match up system times, and not to modify file mtime/atime/ctime etc.
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• 3070[18:28:06] <stoned> If I understand this correctly
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• 3125[18:34:58] <sappel> hello, I have two IPSEC vti connections running to an external service provider, a primary and a secondy for failover. The IPSEC connections both work, but the routing only works with the primary connection. Anything I can do besides ping+traceroute to narrow the issue down? I'd like to know where the packages get lost
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• 3156[18:45:08] <boubou> hey guys... what can I use as a rdp proxy ? ... with authentification if its possible... Like Client > Proxy > Server.
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• 3179[18:51:09] <yaymuffins_> Hi
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• 3182[18:51:52] <yaymuffins_> I would like to launch a script on the foreground (That require user input) at startup before login, how would I do that (Debian 8.6)
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• 3222[19:20:13] <maziar> hi everyone,
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• 3226[19:21:18] <maziar> i'm connected my WesterDigital external hard drive to ESXi, and attached it to my Debian machine, but when i use "fdisk -l" i can not find it, why ?
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• 3244[19:26:22] <WilliamC> Having issues with PepperFLash
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• 3249[19:31:08] <Humanoid> I've got a mixed architecture, i386 and amd64, default is i386, but when I try to install an amd64 package like "apt-get install <package1>:amd64" it refuses saying stuff like "<package1>:amd64 depends on <package2>:amd64 but it is not going to be installed".
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• 3253[19:31:49] <binaryc> 33
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• 3255[19:31:56] <Humanoid> I know I can make it work if I just add all the extra on packages on my apt-get command line, but I've been doing this for years, and I want apt-get to just install the dependencies automatically.
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• 3257[19:32:22] <TomTomTo1> !multiarch
• 3258[19:32:23] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
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• 3263[19:33:47] <TomTomTo1> weird that you decided to install a 32 bit system on a machine that supports 64 bit.
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• 3266[19:35:24] <Humanoid> TomTomTo1: I installed Debian in 2004, so I've been running this system for over 12 years.
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• 3271[19:36:47] <Humanoid> I already did the "--add-architecture amd64" thing a long time ago. I also already read everything at this page replaced-url
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• 3273[19:37:08] <Humanoid> If those are pages, they might be helpful.
• 3274[19:37:42] <TomTomTo1> they are factoids. /msg dpkg multiarch failures for example.
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• 3276[19:38:34] <TomTomTo1> not all are equally useful ^^
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• 3280[19:39:36] <TomTomTo1> can you paste the output where apt-get fails to pull the right deps to paste.debian.net, please?
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• 3282[19:40:04] <Humanoid> Hmm, <multiarch skew> might be relevant, as the amd64 version of a library it needs to install is different from the i386 version I have installed.
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• 3286[19:41:37] <tomnor> there is an open network here that i cannot see but it is seen on other devices
• 3287[19:41:40] <tomnor> why
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• 3291[19:41:59] <jercos> och, amd64 tinc in sid depends on libssl1.1... but that's still on the experimental side, not up to unstable, right?
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• 3297[19:43:20] <Humanoid> Does synaptic use apt-get, or does it does it bypass apt-get completely?
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• 3301[19:44:43] <Humanoid> synaptic seems to know how to install <package1>:amd64 just fine. I think it's just apt-get that is broken.
• 3302[19:44:56] <WilliamC> They same to use the same configuration files.
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• 3312[19:48:05] <petn-randall> tomnor: What tools are you using to "see" that network? What are others using?
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• 3315[19:49:10] <WilliamC> SOmetimes I think the difference is more style than substance
• 3316[19:49:29] <Humanoid> It looks like synaptic is using libapt-pkg4.12, but not the apt-get command line.
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• 3319[19:51:17] <WilliamC> Does apt-get use that also?
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• 3321[19:53:41] <Humanoid> yes, apt-get also uses libapt-pkg4.12
• 3322[19:53:56] <Humanoid> So the problem seems to be in apt-get only, and not the shared libapt-pkg4.12 library.
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• 3327[19:59:00] <tomnor> petn-randall: I use network manager I think. with others i mean for example my android (replicant) device.
• 3328[19:59:17] <tomnor> petn-randall: and sister is using an ipad and see this network
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• 3336[20:01:11] <tomnor> ps -aux | grep -i network
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• 3338[20:01:25] <tomnor> /usr/sbin/NetworkManager --no-daemon
• 3339[20:01:29] <Humanoid> Oh, no, it looks like synaptic doesn't work either.
• 3340[20:01:44] <tomnor> /sbin/dhclient -d -q -sf /usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhc
• 3341[20:02:05] <Humanoid> When I hit "apply changes" it gives me an error saying it cannot apply changes, and telling me to fix broken packages.
• 3342[20:03:52] <Akuli> Humanoid, so... fix them?
• 3343[20:04:28] <petn-randall> tomnor: Is the wifi AP set up to hide its SSID?
• 3344[20:04:32] <Akuli> what exactly does it say?
• 3345[20:04:42] <Humanoid> What's broken? I don't see anything broken. How do I find out which packages are broken?
• 3346[20:05:05] <Akuli> does it say "you have held broken packages" or "dpkg was interrupted" or what?
• 3347[20:05:40] <Humanoid> The exact message is on two lines: line1 = "Could not apply changes!", line2 = "Fix broken packages first."
• 3348[20:05:46] <tomnor> petn-randall: do you mean something with my settings? what is the wifi ap?
• 3349[20:06:03] <petn-randall> tomnor: The wifi access point. The thing you're tring to connect to.
• 3350[20:06:09] <Akuli> Humanoid, if you run an apt-get update or aptitude update, what do you get from it?
• 3351[20:06:25] <Akuli> i guess you could try dpkg --configure -a
• 3352[20:06:27] <Humanoid> apt-get update works fine. No errors.
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• 3354[20:07:03] <tomnor> petn-randall: no, it does not seem to try to hide itself given the other devices
• 3355[20:07:14] <Akuli> Humanoid, how about dpkg --configure -a ?
• 3356[20:07:49] <Humanoid> dpkg --configure -a does nothing, just returns to the command line with no output.
• 3357[20:07:49] <dpkg> Humanoid: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
• 3358[20:08:13] <humbot> :p
• 3359[20:08:27] <Akuli> Humanoid, restart synaptic, does it work now?
• 3360[20:08:41] <jmcnaught> tomnor: "nmcli device wifi list | grep SSID" returns nothing?
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• 3362[20:09:39] <Humanoid> If I restart synaptic, the same thing happens, marking a package to install with mark it to install, as well as all its dependencies, but when I hit "apply", it gives me that same error message.
• 3363[20:09:53] <tomnor> * SSID MODE CHAN RATE SIGNAL BARS SECURITY
• 3364[20:09:54] <Akuli> hmm :(
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• 3366[20:10:01] <Akuli> how about an apt-get upgrade?
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• 3368[20:10:04] <Humanoid> marking a my <package1>:amd64 package to install works, it's only when I hit apply that I get that error.
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• 3370[20:10:30] <jmcnaught> tomnor: i meant for you to substitute "SSID" with your networks SSID.. searching that output for the string SSID isn't helpful
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• 3372[20:11:02] <Humanoid> apt-get upgrade has no errors. I'm a little bit behind: "182 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded."
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• 3374[20:11:17] <tomnor> jmcnaught: you mean the name of that network I cannot see?
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• 3376[20:11:27] <Akuli> Humanoid, have you added third-party repositories?
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• 3378[20:11:31] <Humanoid> no
• 3379[20:11:40] <Akuli> then i have no idea what's going on
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• 3381[20:12:01] <Humanoid> I've had this problem ever since multiarch support was added to debian.
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• 3383[20:12:10] <jmcnaught> tomnor: yes.. run that command without piping it to grep. it lists the networks that NM can see
• 3384[20:12:24] <Akuli> Humanoid, what does apt-get install yourstuff say?
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• 3386[20:13:16] <tomnor> jmcnaught: ok I see. Grepping nothing give a list with the ap not a member.
• 3387[20:13:39] <Humanoid> apt-get install <package1>:amd64 gives me this error: <package1>:amd64 : depends:<package2>:amd64 (>= ...) but it is not going to be installed.
• 3388[20:13:42] <tomnor> the ap I cannot see
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• 3390[20:13:56] <Humanoid> It lists about 5 packages in that way that "is not going to be installed"
• 3391[20:14:03] <Humanoid> It never says WHY it is not going to be installed.
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• 3394[20:14:12] <jmcnaught> tomnor: the point of grepping is to let the computer do the work of searching the list, instead of scanning it with your eyeballs like a chump
• 3395[20:14:25] <TomTomTo1> Humanoid: that's why i asked you to paste the full output to paste.debian.net
• 3396[20:14:42] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell Humanoid about bat
• 3397[20:14:57] <tomnor> jmcnaught: I understand that
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• 3399[20:15:40] <Humanoid> replaced-url
• 3400[20:15:40] <jmcnaught> tomnor: "nmcli device wifi list | grep $MYSSID" returns a line? Yes/No.
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• 3407[20:16:30] <Humanoid> Notice it says those packages will not be installed, but if I list them individually, they will either be ok, or give the same error. If I recursively add all the packages that won't be installed, then everything will install fine.
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• 3409[20:17:09] <Humanoid> This guy had the same problem: replaced-url
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• 3412[20:17:46] <Humanoid> Notice one guy's solution: "This worked for me. $ sudo apt-get install <missing-package-1> <missing-package-2> ... I don't know why this is necessary, but manually installing the problematic packages worked."
• 3413[20:17:55] <jmcnaught> Humanoid: it's not the same problem if it's with different packages. Can you please pastebin the other info that dpkg messaged you about?
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• 3415[20:18:01] <Humanoid> Same thing for me, it works if I just list all the dependencies on the command line.
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• 3417[20:19:22] <tomnor> jmcnaught: * AndroidAP Infra 6 54 Mbit/s 78 ▂▄▆_ WPA2
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• 3419[20:19:33] <tomnor> jmcnaught: my current connection
• 3420[20:19:47] <jmcnaught> tomnor: is that the one that you're trying to connect to?
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• 3422[20:19:57] <Humanoid> jmcnaught: Okay, I just noticed the msg from dpkg. I'll do that.
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• 3424[20:20:06] <TomTomTosch> Humanoid: besides the info in the bat factoid, does dpkg --print-architecture list amd64 ?
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• 3426[20:21:21] <tomnor> jmcnaught: no, that one is called "dlink"
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• 3428[20:22:19] <TomTomTosch> Humanoid: pardon, that's dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
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• 3430[20:22:52] <Humanoid> dpkg --print-foreign-architectures outputs only one line: amd64
• 3431[20:22:52] <dpkg> Humanoid: are you using Windows?
• 3432[20:23:28] <Humanoid> Why is dpkg asking me if I'm using windows?
• 3433[20:23:50] <teraflops> it's a bot
• 3434[20:23:52] <TomTomTosch> dpkg is a bot with attitude.
• 3435[20:23:52] <dpkg> i don't know, TomTomTosch
• 3436[20:23:59] <TomTomTosch> ^^
• 3437[20:24:11] <jmcnaught> tomnor: that's the one i'm asking you to search for...
• 3438[20:24:19] <teraflops> it's a bot with a spicy sense of humor
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• 3441[20:24:31] <tomnor> jmcnaught: yes, and it is not listed
• 3442[20:24:42] <jmcnaught> tomnor: which you verified with grep?
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• 3444[20:25:14] <tomnor> jmcnaught: nmcli device wifi list | grep dlink
• 3445[20:25:26] <tomnor> jmcnaught: nothing
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• 3452[20:27:30] <jmcnaught> tomnor: thank you for finally doing that. "nmcli device wifi rescan" will force it to rescan. "nmcli device wifi connect $MYSSID [$MYPASSWORD]" to connect to a network. (where you substitute values, and [] means optional)
• 3453[20:27:48] <Humanoid> jmcnaught: replaced-url
• 3454[20:27:54] <yepla> someone have made run displaylink proprietary driver on linux jessie
• 3455[20:27:56] <yepla> ?
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• 3457[20:28:21] <yepla> it does find my headers
• 3458[20:28:39] <yepla> Missing component: Linux headers for running kernel, 3.16.0-4-amd64.
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• 3462[20:31:43] <tomnor> jmcnaught: rescanned, dlink does not show up
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• 3465[20:32:18] <jmcnaught> Humanoid: thanks. have you tried using aptitude to see if it does a better job at figuring out the dependencies?
• 3466[20:32:23] <tomnor> jmcnaught: thanks for the command lines
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• 3470[20:33:03] <jmcnaught> tomnor: i would try the command to connect at this point, "nmcli device wifi connect dlink" (assuming no password)
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• 3473[20:35:26] <Jan\> what software origin do I need to add for thunderbird install?
• 3474[20:35:32] <tomnor> jmcnaught: Error: No network with SSID 'dlink' found.
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• 3476[20:35:48] <jmcnaught> Jan\: thunderbird is included in Debian under the name Icedove
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• 3480[20:37:07] <Jan\> ah
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• 3483[20:37:42] <jmcnaught> tomnor: 'nmcli device wifi connect' will also accept the BSSID if you can get that from another device that can see the network
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• 3486[20:38:07] <Humanoid> jmcnaught: aptitude seems to do a better job and has more informative output: replaced-url
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• 3488[20:39:13] <Jan\> why debian has to rename everything :/
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• 3492[20:40:21] <tomnor> jmcnaught: don't know how to get that on the devices connected
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• 3495[20:40:32] <jmcnaught> Jan\: replaced-url
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• 3497[20:40:54] <tomnor> jmcnaught: anyway, maybe the problem is evident by now. What do you think it is about.
• 3498[20:41:34] <tomnor> jmcnaught: event though there might be subtle work-arounds
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• 3507[20:44:46] <jmcnaught> tomnor: BSSID is the MAC address of the wifi access point.
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• 3510[20:46:15] <tomnor> jmcnaught: OK. And what about the not listed problem.
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• 3512[20:46:50] <jmcnaught> tomnor: on another computer if you can run "iwlist wlan0 scanning" for the stanza about the dlink network, the BSSID is the Address: field
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• 3514[20:48:16] <Humanoid> Okay, aptitude gives me much more useful information, I believe the 2 important lines are: "libfreetype6:amd64 : Breaks: libfreetype6 (!= 2.5.2-3+deb8u1) but 2.6-1 is installed." and "libfreetype6 : Breaks: libfreetype6:amd64 (!= 2.6-1) but 2.5.2-3+deb8u1 is to be installed."
• 3515[20:48:41] <tomnor> jmcnaught: there is no other computer here on which I can run those commands
• 3516[20:49:06] <tomnor> jmcnaught: it seems you want to walk around my original question?
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• 3518[20:49:53] <jmcnaught> tomnor: i'm telling you that nmcli can use the BSSID/MAC to connect, and that this is worth trying. You can go google how to find the BSSID on a windows computer. Or let someone else help you.
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• 3521[20:51:00] <tomnor> jmcnaught: might be worth trying, albeit not possible now.
• 3522[20:51:04] <TomTomTosch> Humanoid: i presume libfreetype6 2.6-1 is something you got out of testing/unstable
• 3523[20:51:04] <jmcnaught> tomnor: i don't know why your computer cannot see the dlink network. i'm willing to assume you're too far away from it.
• 3524[20:51:32] <tomnor> jmcnaught: not too far, strong signal on all other devices
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• 3528[20:53:53] <Humanoid> TomTomTosch: I don't remember if I got it from testing, but it could be. There are a few packages I have that are from testing.
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• 3534[20:55:13] <TomTomTosch> Humanoid: multiarch doesn't work with packages of different versions. apt-cache policy libfreetype6 will probably show *** 2.6-1 (...)
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• 3537[20:55:48] <Humanoid> TomTomTosch: Yeah, it has a line that says "*** 2.6-1 0"
• 3538[20:56:05] <Edu4rdSHL> !lspci 1969:2062
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• 3540[20:56:11] <Edu4rdSHL> .lspci 1969:2062
• 3541[20:56:57] <TomTomTosch> Humanoid: but jessie only has 2.5.2. mixing debian releases creates problems. more so in combination with multiarch. you can try reverting those packages by hand, there is no guarantee it will work, though.
• 3542[20:57:52] <TomTomTosch> Edu4rdSHL: /msg judd pciid 1969:2062
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• 3544[20:58:12] <Edu4rdSHL> I forget the bot nick :P
• 3545[20:58:13] <Edu4rdSHL> thx
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• 3547[20:59:47] <Humanoid> I downgraded libfreetype6 and yes! everything works now! Having libfreetype6 from testing was the ONLY source of all the problems.
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• 3550[21:00:45] <Humanoid> Next time I'll remember to try aptitude instead of apt-get because it actually gives an informative error message!
• 3551[21:01:22] <Humanoid> I guess it is related to <multiarch skew> afterall!
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• 3573[21:09:30] <jmcnaught> tomnor: is it simply a matter of dlink is an 802.11n network, and your computer only supports 802.11b/g ?
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• 3586[21:12:48] <arvind> why would one chose to use jessie-backports instead of mixing with testing packages?
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• 3591[21:14:16] <jmcnaught> arvind: mixing stable and testing doesn't work, you end up with a testing system (or a hybrid frankendebian that is halfway between the two). backports exist to let stable users use newer packages without compromising their systems like this
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• 3602[21:16:03] <arvind> jmcnaught, jessie-backports do not have well tested packages such as jessie? How I currently see it is that testing and jessie-backports are the same side of a coin. Doesn't apt-get -t testing install work or apt-get install package/testing or something with pinning?
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• 3611[21:16:54] <Humanoid> I think the debian documentation back in 2004-2006 said it was ok to mix stable and testing. At least, I think that's where I learned to do that from.
• 3612[21:17:08] <jmcnaught> arvind: no, it doesn't work because testing has different versions of libraries than jessie does
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• 3614[21:17:37] <somiaj> arvind: jessie backports are compiled against the libs in jessie, so even though they are not as well tested, they are actually packages compadable with jessie (sometimes a few extra libs are provided to ensure this compadaiblity). testing packages are not made compadable with jessie and shouldn't be installed.
• 3615[21:18:20] <somiaj> Humanoid: due to how dependecies work it has never been the case sicne I've been with debian in 2002. Some docs suggest and say it is okay to mix testing/unstable, but I even try to have people avoid that if possible.
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• 3619[21:18:52] <jmcnaught> usually it's some dumb blog or forum post encouraging people to mix stable and testing
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• 3621[21:19:17] <arvind> jmcnaught, i.e pulse audio has been integrated in xfce on a later moment and now xfce volume package is not working that well with it and backporting does not work so one has to upgrade xfce-panel etc too. I fugred with testing it would be much more easier with the dependencies. I mean dependency higher than would work with a dependecy lower than, that is why I see the =!> sigh always in deb packages right?
• 3622[21:19:21] <somiaj> oh yea I guess I recall those blog post as here is what I did to get this installed without realizing the damage I caused to my system.
• 3623[21:19:29] <arvind> very interesting what you guys are telling
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• 3625[21:20:06] <somiaj> arvind: backports are still somewhat new in debian, and they come with some special issues. But they are still far better (and the suggested debian way) to install newer software on a frozen stable system.
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• 3630[21:20:51] <jmcnaught> arvind: generally speaking, the more you stick to what's in stable the less maintenance you'll need to do on your computer
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• 3632[21:21:14] <somiaj> My opinion is the whole pinning system needs to be redesigned to deal with installing backports. It works okay but the way pinning works creates issues.
• 3633[21:21:21] <Humanoid> I don't remember ever having problems with stable+testing until about 4 years ago. Now I try to avoid packages from testing when I can.
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• 3637[21:21:42] <yepla> ho guys i have made run displaylink on debian
• 3638[21:22:00] <somiaj> Humanoid: its one of those things that it can work, but it is hard to say what sort of problems you will encounter. From a support prespective it is best to just say 'no' or 'you can but we won't support' because the issues are quite common in here of people mixing things breaking their system.
• 3639[21:22:05] <yepla> there are one line to modify in there installer
• 3640[21:22:45] <tomnor> jmcnaught: you have any tips on checking what I have? (802.11b/g)
• 3641[21:23:03] <Humanoid> Isn't running stable+testing the same as running testing, but with just some packages not having been upgraded to the latest version?
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• 3644[21:23:32] <jmcnaught> tomnor: look up the model of your wifi card. If you show us "lspci -nn | grep -i net" we can help you figure it out
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• 3651[21:27:02] <somiaj> Humanoid: mixing just isn't supported because it man (and usually does) create bugs that are in neither stable or testing and are really hard to debug. On top of that dependecy issues can really make apts work a lot harder when installing/removing packages.
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• 3655[21:28:41] <Anonymes> Hi
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• 3657[21:29:43] <tomnor> jmcnaught: replaced-url
• 3658[21:29:45] <arvind> guys - with kernel compiling and PREEMPT. The kernel explanation says to enable it for desktops and for embedded systems. However some old posts floating arround on inet say that it is depreciated and that using it is not advised. What is the deal with this? The explanation does not mention this in the kernel itself. Curious & learning here.
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• 3661[21:31:02] <jmcnaught> tomnor: well that says right in it 802.11bgn. Are you able to connect to other networks?
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• 3666[21:32:10] <tomnor> jmcnaught: I am connected wireless right now
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• 3670[21:33:36] <tomnor> jmcnaught: or what do you mean. I normally don't know exactly what type of network I am connected to
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• 3678[21:35:20] <Humanoid> How do I list all the packages that are partially installed? I currently do [dpkg -l | grep "rc "] but I don't think this is everything.
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• 3680[21:35:44] <somiaj> Humanoid: that is just packages that are removed and still have config files.
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• 3682[21:36:28] <Humanoid> somiaj: Yeah, I think there might be other partially installed states, but I'm not familiar with them. How do I find all such packages?
• 3683[21:36:51] <somiaj> Humanoid: that really isn't what i would call a partially installed state.
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• 3685[21:37:31] <Humanoid> Well, how do I find all packages that are not in either of the "ii" or "un" states?
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• 3688[21:38:40] <Humanoid> I want all my packages to either be "ii" or "un", so I want to find all packages in any other state so that I could fix them.
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• 3691[21:38:58] <somiaj> Humanoid: if you just want to grep the dpkg -l list, use grep -v "^ii" to get any package that doesn't have that state.
• 3692[21:39:14] <somiaj> Humanoid: aptitude search ~i~b will list listalled apckages apt considers broken
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• 3696[21:40:06] <somiaj> Humanoid: ~b only gives packages with broken dependencies though.
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• 3701[21:41:14] <Humanoid> somiaj: Those work! Thanks!
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• 3710[21:43:30] <Humanoid> If I'm running stable, but have a few packages not from stable, how do I find out which packages are not from stable?
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• 3713[21:45:06] <ryouma> Humanoid: apt-show-versions and aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Debian Backports))' -F '%100p' and maybe aptitude search '?and(?not(auto), ?narrow(?installed, ?not(?archive(stable))))' | grep -v '^i A' and
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• 3715[21:45:19] <ryouma> the second one should do it i think
• 3716[21:45:31] <somiaj> Humanoid: aptitude search "?and(?installed,?not(?archive(stable)))"
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• 3721[21:46:40] <jmcnaught> somiaj: Humanoid: apparently ?archive(stable) also matches unstable, so you should use ?archive(^stable)
• 3722[21:46:46] <somiaj> Humanoid: hmm, that needs refied, that only lists packages that are not installable from stable, but could be of a different version.
• 3723[21:46:53] <TomTomTosch> what somiaj said, just aptitude search "?narrow(?installed,?not(?archive(stable)))"
• 3724[21:47:23] <TomTomTosch> ?narrow checks if both are true for the same version of a package. ?and does not.
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• 3726[21:47:49] <somiaj> ahh that is the difference, use TomTomTosch suggestion
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• 3728[21:48:19] <jmcnaught> "aptitude search '~S ~i !~A^stable'" is the short version of TomTomTosch's command
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• 3736[21:50:34] <ryouma> what if you don't want the auto ones? this seems to be a syntax error: aptitude search "?narrow(?not(auto),?installed,?not(?archive(stable)))"
• 3737[21:50:39] <Humanoid> My current sources.list includes "jessie" "jessie-backports" "jessie-security" and "jessie-updates". Is it ok to include all 4 at the same time?
• 3738[21:51:30] <somiaj> Humanoid: yes, because all of those packages are compiled for jessie
• 3739[21:51:54] <somiaj> Humanoid: jessie and the security updates are the minimial you should have. jessie-updates and jessie-backports are optional but okay to have.
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• 3742[21:52:34] <somiaj> jessie-backports should only be used if you need a backport though. The packages are not as well tested as jessie ones so don't just upgrade because you can, upgrade to a jessie-backports package because you need to.
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• 3745[21:55:03] <Humanoid> So I should comment out the jessie-backports and jessie-updates from my sources to avoid having other packages automatically updated to those?
• 3746[21:55:28] <Humanoid> I think I only needed one package from jessie-backports.
• 3747[21:55:49] <somiaj> Humanoid: jessie-updates just give you stuff that is ready for a point release and will come to jessie eventaully. So it is a matter of if youw ant to get these updates as they are created or only after a point release
• 3748[21:56:13] <somiaj> Humanoid: jessie-backports packages will not be installed by default and having the source in your sources.list will not install backports unless you specifcally ask (-t jessie-backports) for it.
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• 3754[21:57:59] <Humanoid> I had a problem before where I just wanted to update a package to the latest version, so I did "apt-get install <package>" and it upgraded to the jessie-backports version, which I didn't want.
• 3755[21:58:03] <azarus> Hey guys. I tried to setup fan control for my Dell Optiplex 790, but the only sensors that lm-sensors give me are cpu-temp
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• 3758[21:58:14] <azarus> Any way to control the cpu fan?
• 3759[21:58:15] <ryouma> what are the linux-headers packages used for? can they be removed?
• 3760[21:58:20] <Humanoid> I wanted the latest jessie version, but did not want the jessie-backports version.
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• 3762[21:58:33] <somiaj> Humanoid: once you install a package from jessie-backports, apt will keep it upto date.
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• 3764[21:59:23] <somiaj> Humanoid: but that is only for the package you installed from jessie-backports. It will not upgrade packages that you do not have already installed from jessie-backports.
• 3765[21:59:24] <mumixam> azarus: ive used something in /sys before pwm something lemme google
• 3766[21:59:31] <Humanoid> The package was originally installed from jessie, not from jessie-backports. I left jessie-backports in my sources.list, and just doing "apt-get install <package>" installed the jessie-backports version over the jessie version.
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• 3768[21:59:49] <somiaj> ryouma: they are used to compile modules against your kernel. They are not needed unless you say use thrid party modules like non-free vidieo drives, virtual box modules, etc
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• 3770[22:00:13] <somiaj> Humanoid: can you give us the output of 'apt-cache policy' and 'apt-cache policy packagename' in question.
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• 3772[22:00:48] <ryouma> somiaj: i use virtualbox; if i do not compile anything do i still need them?
• 3773[22:00:55] <somiaj> ryouma: usually debian does this automatically (compiles the modules) with dkms packages
• 3774[22:01:02] <somiaj> ryouma: you most likely compile the virtualbox module.
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• 3776[22:01:16] <ryouma> ah
• 3777[22:01:19] <somiaj> ryouma: for example do you have virtualbox-dkms installed (needed for virtual box)
• 3778[22:01:47] <ryouma> i A virtualbox-dkms
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• 3782[22:02:14] <somiaj> ryouma: that is why the headers are installed. That package just automtically builds the module for you.
• 3783[22:02:25] <ryouma> hmm, seems maybe my "auto" for automatically installed is not correct aptitude syntax?
• 3784[22:02:32] <ryouma> somiaj: ok
• 3785[22:02:37] <ryouma> seems old headers stuck around though
• 3786[22:03:03] <somiaj> ryouma: depends on how they were installed if via the headers meta package or not
• 3787[22:03:19] <somiaj> ryouma: also seems on my system that has changing kernels, kernels are not autoremoved right away (they need to be a few versions behind)
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• 3790[22:04:20] <somiaj> but this seems normal as you should if you are upgrading kernels, keep the older version around just in case.
• 3791[22:04:23] <ryouma> i have this, but i can't seem to figure out why it is not upgrading: linux-image-amd64:amd64/jessie-backports 4.5+73~bpo8+1 upgradeable to 4.7+75~bpo8+1
• 3792[22:04:37] <ryouma> somiaj: yeah that makes sense
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• 3796[22:05:48] <somiaj> ryouma: look at the output of apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64
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• 3800[22:07:21] <jhutchins_wk> THat strange, that's the second time recently that #debian has frozen on me. Just stopped posting at 4:00 this morning.
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• 3804[22:07:54] <somiaj> jhutchins_wk: trying to ensure you got to bed (:
• 3805[22:08:16] <ryouma> somiaj: replaced-url
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• 3807[22:08:59] <jhutchins_wk> somiaj: It's usually backgrounded in screen.
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• 3809[22:09:04] <somiaj> ryouma: I don't see what your problem is, it says that 4.7 is the candiate. If you were to apt-get upgrade or apt-get install linux-image-amd64 it should install the candiate 4.7, run 'apt-get install linux-image-amd64'
• 3810[22:09:24] <ryouma> somiaj: no, it says it is held back
• 3811[22:09:33] <somiaj> ryouma: then this is an additional hold.
• 3812[22:09:37] <somiaj> !hold
• 3813[22:09:37] <dpkg> hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771 (fixed in stretch). See also <hold list>, <unhold>.
• 3814[22:09:46] <ryouma> it wants to upgrade linux-base i think. i have not manually held anything
• 3815[22:10:03] <somiaj> ryouma: can you give us teh full output then, apt-get upgrade
• 3816[22:10:04] <somiaj> !bat
• 3817[22:10:04] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 3818[22:10:07] <Humanoid> somiaj: You're right, the jessie-backports version insn't automatically installed. I must've done something wrong before.
• 3819[22:11:09] <ryouma> somiaj: i usually use aptitude, but sure: replaced-url
• 3820[22:11:22] <somiaj> ryouma: then use aptitude
• 3821[22:11:47] <somiaj> ryouma: I see what is going on, since to upgrade that packge it has to install a 'new' package upgrade won't work
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• 3823[22:12:05] <somiaj> ryouma: you need to run dist-upgrade with apt-get or full-upgrade with aptitude to make it so 'new' packages can be installed duruing the upgrade.
• 3824[22:12:44] <ryouma> somiaj: ok, that makes sense. but i am afraid to do so as then some packages might be incompatible with the standard jessie kernel
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• 3826[22:13:20] <somiaj> ryouma: you shouldn't have sources enabled that would cause these problems.
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• 3829[22:14:19] <ryouma> The following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 : Depends: linux-base (>= 4.3~) but 3.5 is installed.
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• 3831[22:14:27] <ryouma> that's from full-upgrade
• 3832[22:14:47] <somiaj> ryouma: again when having troubles, paste the output of the full command and apt-cache policy linux-base
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• 3834[22:15:36] <somiaj> seems you don't have linux-base from jessie-backports. so apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-base should fix your issue
• 3835[22:15:42] <somiaj> ,v linux-base
• 3836[22:15:44] <judd> Package: linux-base on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.5; jessie: 3.5; jessie-backports: 4.3~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.5; sid: 4.5
• 3837[22:16:10] <somiaj> just do not include the -t jessie-backports flag in an upgrade command, this can be dangerous.
• 3838[22:16:13] <ryouma> replaced-url
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• 3840[22:16:45] <ryouma> because it pulls in whatever from backports?
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• 3843[22:17:21] <ryouma> (maybe i should just try removing the backports kernel. but in the past i have been bitten by not being able to boot, because somehow the fancy initrd/grub stuff made some assumptions that weren't true. i fear nothing in debian more than not being able to boot because of initrd or grub. it's occurred before, doing things like telling me i have lvm when i don't, or booting from the wrong disk, etc.)
• 3844[22:17:29] <somiaj> correct, in this case the newest kernel requires an upgraded linux-base, so you have to manually ask for that to be installed from jessie-backports this time
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• 3847[22:17:57] <somiaj> ryouma: you just need to upgrade linux-base to jessie-backports and you'll be fine.
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• 3850[22:19:10] <somiaj> ryouma: you can also downgrade the kernel to the jessie one if you don't want the backported kernel. kernels are usually fairly safe to install different versions of
• 3851[22:19:31] <lethu> apper apper-data hyphen-en-us kdeaccessibility kdesudo libdebconf-kde0
• 3852[22:19:31] <lethu> libgee-0.8-2 liblistaller-glib0 libpackagekitqt4-0 libqapt-runtime libqapt1
• 3853[22:19:31] <lethu> libreoffice libreoffice-help-en-us libreoffice-kde listaller mythes-en-us
• 3854[22:19:31] <lethu> python3-dbus python3-gi python3-pykde4 python3-pyqt4 python3-sip
• 3855[22:19:31] *** lethu was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
• 3856[22:19:49] <jhutchins_wk> It appears that I lost connection to the server and reconnected at 04:33 CDT. All channels except #debian recovered, #d just froze.
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• 3858[22:20:23] <somiaj> jhutchins_wk: sometimes #debian won't let you in if this was during a net-split as only so many people can join at once.
• 3859[22:20:24] <lethu> Hello sorry about that
• 3860[22:20:33] <somiaj> jhutchins_wk: you didn't say have another window #debian-overflow open up or something like that?
• 3861[22:20:34] <lethu> misread the topic
• 3862[22:20:46] <somiaj> lethu: use paste.debian.net
• 3863[22:21:05] <jhutchins_wk> somiaj: No, which is a bit puzzling. Haven't found any relevant messages.
• 3864[22:21:42] <somiaj> jhutchins_wk: I've had that happen where I get disconnected from freenode and when I come back I don't get back into #debian due to join limits and have to manually join it later.
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• 3867[22:22:58] <jhutchins_wk> somiaj: Ah, ther eit is: 04:33 [freenode] -!- Cannot join to channel #debian (Channel is full)
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• 3871[22:23:44] <somiaj> jhutchins_wk: debhelper is constantally adjusting the channel cap to keep flood joins from happening. I think it is 5-10 above current number of membetrs.
• 3872[22:23:56] <somiaj> though not positive on the details
• 3873[22:24:19] <lethu> I have tried to uninstall fglrx and installed the radeon driver but my desktop wouldn't stratx, so I came back to fglrx and after removing the radeon driver now I get this replaced-url
• 3874[22:24:38] <somiaj> lethu: did you remove the custom xorg.conf you were using to load the non-free driver?
• 3875[22:24:42] <somiaj> lethu: or edit it?
• 3876[22:25:01] <lethu> somiaj, yes it was automatically renamed
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• 3879[22:25:52] <jhutchins_wk> somiaj: Yeah, I just hadn't seen the dead window effect before. irssi isn't recognizing that the channel has gone away.
• 3880[22:25:55] <lethu> to something.old
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• 3882[22:26:15] <somiaj> lethu: automatically? I do not recall the packages messing with the xorg.conf at all, but I don't use fglrx. Anyways, seems like you removed some metapackage that was holding in all those other packages. If there are any you need you can set them to manually install with apt-mark so they don't say they want to be autoremoved.
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• 3884[22:27:00] <lethu> somiaj, nice thanks, how do I use apt-mark
• 3885[22:27:02] <lethu> ?
• 3886[22:27:06] <somiaj> lethu: man apt-mark
• 3887[22:27:14] <somiaj> !apt-mark
• 3888[22:27:21] <lethu> somiaj, thanks!
• 3889[22:27:31] <somiaj> lethu: apt-mark manual packagename
• 3890[22:27:53] <lethu> somiaj, thanks again
• 3891[22:28:19] <somiaj> lethu: I woudln't makr the libaries there as manual (the libfoo) but the things you may want like libreoffice-kde or unattended-upgrades, etc. The stuff you are actually using.
• 3892[22:28:26] <somiaj> lethu: xorg may hold in a buch of that too
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• 3894[22:28:41] <lethu> somiaj, gotcha
• 3895[22:29:03] <arvind> ( jessie backports question ) guys what is the difference between inux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 and linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64-unsigned. I have an idea of the signed and unsigned but apt-cache show does not tell me much
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• 3899[22:30:28] <lethu> somiaj, that did it! Thanks!
• 3900[22:30:30] <jhutchins_wk> arvind: The unsigned version lacks a signature, and probably just needs to be cleaned up since a signed version now exists.
• 3901[22:30:45] <jhutchins_wk> ,kernels
• 3902[22:30:47] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.6-1); stretch: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.5-1); jessie-backports: 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.7.5-1~bpo8+2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-2)
• 3903[22:30:52] <ryouma> somiaj: i am pretty afraid to do anything with kernels because of potential inability to boot. i installed backports kernel because x would not start, but i think maybe that is fixed now with firmware. it's not the kernels so much as the initrd/grub stuff that debian is really fancy about. i think some flag in debconf or something makes assumptions about which disks to install on, and also i think there is a bug
• 3904[22:30:52] <ryouma> in initrd tools that makes it not boot, but infinitely wait for lvm that i have never used.
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• 3906[22:31:35] <somiaj> ryouma: don't remove the old kernel, it should give you the otpion to boot form the old one if the new one fails
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• 3908[22:31:35] <ryouma> i tried creating a second partition on a second disk to boot from, so i could just switch using my bios. this gives me peace of mind. but the fancy stuff kept a memory of what drives to install grub on, and i ended up so that i would boot from disk a and it would use disk b for things.
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• 3911[22:32:16] <ryouma> as long as upgrading linux-base isn't going to screw anything up, i will gladly upgrade the backports kernel. or perhaps i shoul dkeep booting into the old one until the next version of debian.
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• 3915[22:33:14] <somiaj> ryouma: I would not use the kernel you are using. Either upgrade to the current one in jessie-backports or downgrade to the one in jessie
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• 3918[22:33:44] <ryouma> how do i downgrade? just purge the new kernel?
• 3919[22:34:04] <zaufi> hi all. I'm trying to build `boost 1.62` package for latest ubuntu 16.10: I've got sources using `apt-get source`, done a version bump in control files using the script provided, install all prerequisites with `mk-build-deps`... but all my packages do not have *.so files :( -- anyone have an idea what am I missed?
• 3920[22:35:09] <zaufi> it builds w/o errors, but library packages are empty :( -- i.e. have only standard debian docs and nothing in /usr/lib/* :(
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• 3930[22:37:44] <jhutchins_wk> ryouma: You can just set the old kernel as the default and see if the next update fixes it.
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• 3933[22:38:59] <ryouma> how does one set the old kernel as default?
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• 3947[22:44:56] <ryouma> is that a grub command?
• 3948[22:45:02] <ryouma> or an alternatives?
• 3949[22:45:09] <Jessi-jesses2> towo
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• 3956[22:47:33] <rue_shop3> is modules.conf still used, I need to add options to a module
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• 3958[22:48:15] <rue_shop3> or how is that done now?
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• 3966[22:50:10] <JyZyXEL> what are these strange "trace-34856" files owned by root:root that appear in my home directory and how do i prevent them?
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• 3968[22:50:41] <JyZyXEL> the number appears to be process pid numbers
• 3969[22:50:48] <ryouma> jhutchins_wk: ^
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• 4030[23:26:24] <aautar> ( jessie backports ) iinux-source package requires signing on recompiling it. Is this new. Can not find anyting in the kernel handbook
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• 4041[23:30:58] <somiaj> aautar: what do you mean by the linux source package?
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• 4049[23:32:27] <aautar> somiaj, linux-source package is the linux source code with the debian patches already applied
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• 4052[23:32:54] <somiaj> aautar: okay, making sure you wern't talking about the debian source package. How are you building the kernel?
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• 4055[23:33:10] <somiaj> aautar: linux-source is a binary package (That contains the linux source)
• 4056[23:33:16] <aautar> somiaj, with faekroot make-kpkg like in the handbook
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• 4058[23:33:31] <aautar> somiaj, yes it is in /usr/src after installing
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• 4060[23:33:46] <somiaj> aautar: I'm surprised it requires signing. But make-kpkg is no longer the suggested method to compile debian packages.
• 4061[23:33:59] <somiaj> aautar: the source now has a 'make deb-pkg' target you can just use
• 4062[23:34:04] <aautar> somiaj, it gives error mentioning the name ben
• 4063[23:34:25] <aautar> somiaj, ok i just followed the debian handbook
• 4064[23:34:27] <somiaj> aautar: I don't know why it is requring sigining, but I would just using the built in make target vs make-kpkg.
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• 4070[23:36:02] <aautar> somiaj, ok after i got the error message i did extract the whole source again from /usrc/src in my $HOME and started all over just in case i made a mistake. Question that I am having is: is make clean sufficient to clean everything out and start the entire compile from scratch?
• 4071[23:36:20] <aautar> somiaj, make[2]: *** Er is geen regel om doel 'debian/certs/benh@debian.org.cert.pem' te maken, nodig voor 'certs/x509_certificate_list'. Gestopt.
• 4072[23:36:45] <somiaj> aautar: I'm also unsure why make-kpkg is not working, maybe it is an issue with using it on newer kernels from the version in jessie. But I would suggest using the make deb-pkg target and see if that helps.
• 4073[23:37:23] <somiaj> aautar: it should be sufficent. Its been years since I have compiled kernels myself.
• 4074[23:37:27] <aautar> perhaps i just see if there is something in the kernel config that I can disable in terms of cert
• 4075[23:37:30] <ryouma> can anybody suggest how to make the jessie kernel the default even though i have jessie-backports installed?
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• 4077[23:38:20] <somiaj> ryouma: you have to modify grub, though why not just remove the jessie backports kernel? Do you really want both available.
• 4078[23:38:27] <aautar> somiaj, the new 4.7 deb kernsls have some grsec in them it seems
• 4079[23:38:49] <aautar> somiaj, the gresec has the CC certs/system_keyring.o
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• 4081[23:39:11] <somiaj> ryouma: you can also edit GRUB_DEFAULT /etc/default/grub to be the number of the kernel in the grub list
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• 4084[23:41:17] <somiaj> ryouma: run update-grub after you edit that file.
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• 4092[23:43:23] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. I just installed an HPE MSL2024 LTO-5 tape library on my Debian system using a HBA (SAS card) that supports multiple LUNs. But I can only see the tape drive and not the library in /dev
• 4093[23:44:34] <Pegasus_RPG> The interesting bit in syslog is: hpsa 0000:4b:00.0: physical device with no LUN=0, suspect firmware bug or unsupported hardware configuration.
• 4094[23:44:48] <ryouma> somiaj: thanks. i'm leery of making any changes, as update-grub, or something, decides to install itself, or make a notation someplace of where the default boot disk is, on some disk i didn't want touched. and i have also had initrd break so that i could not boot. but i will maybe try purging the backports kernel, as upgrading it has not caused issues so far (other than the fact that it is held back by a package
• 4095[23:44:48] <ryouma> version).
• 4096[23:45:48] <TomTomTosch> update-grub should only write into the currently mounted /boot/
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• 4101[23:48:40] <drmagoo> Pegasus_RPG: Is there anything in syslog/dmesg about firmware? It usually says there if there is an issue
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• 4107[23:48:51] <TomTomTosch> and if you purge the backports kernel grub gets updated anyway.
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• 4110[23:49:00] <Pegasus_RPG> drmagoo: I know that the library will appear as a different LUN on the same SCSI ID as the drive
• 4111[23:49:21] <Pegasus_RPG> so the hpsa driver would need to support that, but it sounds like it doesn't, at least in the kernel I have loaded
• 4112[23:49:28] <Pegasus_RPG> 3.16.0-4-amd64
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• 4114[23:50:04] <drmagoo> Pegasus_RPG: Thats an old kernel, tried a 4.X-one ?
• 4115[23:50:51] <aautar> somiaj, fyi i found it has already been bugreported and discussed but not yet solved. There is atemporary solution which I am trying now. The temporary solution is to comment out CONFIG_SYSTEM_TRUSTED_KEYS from .config ( i used make oldconfig )
• 4116[23:51:30] <Pegasus_RPG> drmagoo: I'll install one from backports now
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• 4118[23:52:06] <SKYRAN> Hi all. I have question related to install debian to make it my portable os and run on university's computers. When I install debian on USB it isn't boot up. my default os in my pc is debian too
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• 4121[23:52:50] <Pegasus_RPG> SKYRAN: easiest way to do that is to use Unetbootin with a Debian ISO
• 4122[23:53:02] <drmagoo> Pegasus_RPG: try that and also doublecheck 'dmesg' for any output about missing firmware ;)
• 4123[23:53:11] <SKYRAN> does anybody have idea why is happening
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• 4125[23:53:53] <ryouma> is there a way to find out whether the alternatives system controls an application, and if so what name or group it uses?
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• 4127[23:54:11] <ryouma> i can't possibly guess that mpv is controlled by "x-video-player-browser" or whatever, but i'd like to run "update-alternatives --find-group mpv"
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• 4129[23:55:48] <SKYRAN> Pegasus_RPG: but it only make debian installation ISO not portable os
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• 4134[23:56:45] <baraba> ryouma, i guess you can combine --get-selections and --list commands
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• 4137[23:57:09] <Pegasus_RPG> SKYRAN: oh. There are some tricks you need to do to get a USB stick to boot.
• 4138[23:57:15] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: unenetbootin is known to not work on debian iso and we try not to suggest it here.
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• 4140[23:57:32] <Pegasus_RPG> somiaj: oh, sorry. It's worked for me a number of times.
• 4141[23:57:38] <somiaj> SKYRAN: I would suggest a live system over isntalling to usb as usb drive is slow and can have trobules with an actual install.
• 4142[23:57:42] <somiaj> !unetbootin
• 4143[23:57:43] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
• 4144[23:58:11] <somiaj> SKYRAN: you can actually use the current debian live images with various persistance modes that work as a portable os.
• 4145[23:58:19] <Pegasus_RPG> drmagoo: I don't see any complains in dmesg about missing firmware
• 4146[23:58:37] * Pegasus_RPG tests with kernel 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
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• 4151[23:59:34] <SKYRAN> somiaj: thanks for respond, however debian live have lots of package that i dont want. i want minimasl installation env. so what sdhould i do now?
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