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7[00:04:04] <nicehsz> I have a Debian as guest inside a VirtualBox with a Windows 10 host.. any1 know whether any nested virtualization solutions of any kind will be possible and able to run on this Debian guest... XEN or KVM, or... ?
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16[00:09:05] <jmcnaught> nicehsz: it depends on hardware support. There's a virt-host-validate command you can run in the Debian guest (from the libvirt-clients package)
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19[00:09:52] <jmcnaught> you could also use LXC
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21[00:10:01] <`Kevin> VM in a VM :(
22[00:10:10] <`Kevin> x2 @ LXC or docker
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24[00:10:23] <nicehsz> nice, thanks.. interesting
25[00:10:32] <nicehsz> replaced-url
26[00:11:34] <jmcnaught> nicehsz: you want line 1 to pass. LXC will definitely run containers in a VM though
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31[00:13:21] <nicehsz> Hmm! Sry I'm kinda n00b to this (and linux in general, I guess) - not sure what LXC is, I think... hmm.. Let's say I take that output as "should work"s .. My current Debian is already a guest in VBox so I'll just clone it prior.. which other Linux guest do u think would be decent to use for testing..? Assuming I may test all of them eventually if one doesn't work (easily)
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36[00:13:47] <nicehsz> or try run some minimal version of Debian again inside it..? Maybe there are a smaller-sized, faster-install kinda linux disto... of whatver kind, any idea..?
37[00:14:33] <jmcnaught> nicehsz: we only support Debian here, but if you want to ask about distros to try you can ask in ##linux
38[00:14:59] <`Kevin> nicehsz: ^ but also what is your end goal?
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40[00:15:23] <nicehsz> k, which Debian release would be the smallest/lightest in terms of install work and size then,any guesstimate...or all fairly big n likely better off lookin at something else for it?
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42[00:15:52] <nicehsz> uh, I basicaly want a working form of nested virtualization.. part as a security feature.. was hoping to get a bunch of various stuff on it
43[00:16:39] <nicehsz> Besides being able to place it on some nested encrypted containers before opening it with VBox, VBox itself provides encryption of it in addition to LUKS.. and then eventual nested virtualization and further encryption container layers inside there again as well... :d
44[00:16:45] <jmcnaught> nicehsz: server or GUI applications in the nested guests? There is only one Debian distro, derivatives that are based on Debian aren't actually Debian
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47[00:17:06] <nicehsz> For example a router/fw of some kind.. I'd like FDE (full disk enc.) on that (among other things)
48[00:17:15] <nicehsz> oh..
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51[00:18:28] <nicehsz> hm.. sry guess I'm not sure then... hmh.. will try get some other mini-linux whereever just for testing then I guess.. (just to see if a full-feature linux distro would run there (then will assume prty much any linux functionality I may be wanting will as well..:])
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56[00:20:57] <nicehsz> I don't trust Windows for much nemore.. even storing data, or storing a VM which has data on it or traffic passing thru, potentially leaking maybe.. I'm sure Win would compromise that all pretty fast.. I like this LUKS outer layer, supposedly safe aye.. and various forms of creative ways to further secure stuff inside LUKS' encryption..some prly opened after need..
57[00:21:16] <jmcnaught> nicehsz: Debian can be very minimal, it just depends on what you install. You might not be able to do what you're attempting with containers like LXC.
58[00:22:04] <nicehsz> hm..cool.. tho sry again not sure what LXC is I'm afraid.. :\ hm.. (..-will google that right about now actually..!=)
59[00:22:12] <jmcnaught> nicehsz: if you don't trust your Windows install, you shouldn't trust a VM running under it whether it's encrypted or not. The Windows host can still see everything you type.
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61[00:22:42] <nicehsz> yeah, thanks, I know:) mostly consider this a test-thing=)
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63[00:23:53] <nicehsz> (still..asof past decade+ .. ) hoping I'll get around to learn enough about Linux, and find tasks to get onto there for motivating sufficiently to leave Win behind for good... hopefully soon! It's getting worse and worse..alot. :x
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65[00:24:27] <nicehsz> stupid games n stuff mostly that has kept me on Win thus far... pft!
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67[00:25:03] <jmcnaught> nicehsz: this is primarily a tech support channel. If you want to chat there's #debian-offtopic :)
68[00:25:16] <nicehsz> o, k. sorry. and, thanks again..! :)
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90[00:33:44] <serard_> Hello
91[00:34:35] <serard_> I'm running CLI mode (no x), and monitor gets "black"; how can I avoid this ?
92[00:34:41] <serard_> raspbien jessie latest
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96[00:36:28] <awal1> dpkg: raspbien
97[00:36:28] <dpkg> wish i knew, awal1
98[00:36:38] <jmcnaught> dpkg: raspbian
99[00:36:38] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
100[00:36:44] <jmcnaught> serard_: ^^
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102[00:37:16] <serard_> oops, sorry, thought was still common :o
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172[01:17:06] <afernandez_> Hello I have asked in sed and bash to no avail They gave me the following solution, but can someone here can tell me why it does not work ? thank you in advance.
173[01:17:10] <afernandez_> Can someone pitch in why this dont work.....for x in $(<someservers);do sudo su - $x -c 'whoami;cd /somepath/$x/somedir/ && sed '/pull_file\.py/{ /-X/ !s/^#//; }' some file';done I get:bash: !s/^#//: event not found
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175[01:18:48] <peterrooney> !cross post
176[01:18:48] <dpkg> Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
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187[01:22:49] <apathor> afernandez_: just put the ! after the address /-X/ instead of before s
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192[01:24:22] <apathor> bash expands !x ( x being characters ) into a command starting with the char in the history
193[01:24:28] <missmbob> afernandez_: and for future reference #bash is a better place with more experts for such things
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205[01:30:37] <mylord> what’s a simple tool to use for setting up a CLI based virtual machine on a server? (for running duplicates of node processes on same ports, etc)
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445[02:37:10] <gumnos> I use `ionice -c Idle nice -n 19 firefox` which (in my understanding) should make Firefox the nicest process on my machine. Yet it somehow still manages to hang my system on a regular basis to the degree I have a hotkey to kill-9 it (kill without -9 is too gracious in letting FF keep running away). How do I track this down or limit it?
446[02:37:34] <gumnos> I only have the one Debian box but am about to try another Linux or BSD to see if that solves the problem
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449[02:38:17] <somiaj> gumnos: figure out what it is that is hogging your system.
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451[02:38:44] <gumnos> it's something in FF. As soon as that kill-9 lands, everything becomes responsive as a fresh boot
452[02:38:44] <somiaj> gumnos: could firefox be eating all your memory. If you get to the point you have to use swap, that will lag your system no matter what the nice value is set at since the swaper is doing the work.
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455[02:39:21] <somiaj> gumnos: well figure out if it is really a cpu issue (that is what the nice setting does). check dmesg, if it is an i/o issue that will lag the system until it is killed as well.
456[02:39:35] <gumnos> I thought that might be an issue. It's certainly a memory hog (4GB of RAM, it usually eats more than half of that). I don't have any swap configured, but I'd just as soon have it die with an out-of-memory condition instead of run away with my CPU
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458[02:40:26] <jmcnaught> gumnos: you should also see if it happens with firefox-esr started in safe mode ('firefox-esr -safe-mode' or go to about:support to use the button)
459[02:40:28] <somiaj> gumnos: when it is eating your system have your ran top and seen if any other applications are using a lot of cpu and firefox is just the trigger.
460[02:40:42] <somiaj> gumnos: also is this debian jessie and the esr version of firefox or some other isntall of firefox?
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463[02:41:50] <gumnos> somiaj: I believe it's Jessie (whatever Stable is these days; uname says 3.16.36-1+deb8u1) and it is FF ESR, nothing fancy.
464[02:42:50] <gumnos> I've tried safe-mode, but I haven't been able to forcibly reproduce it (some times it's almost a week between hangs; other times, it's multiple times in a day).
465[02:43:13] <jmcnaught> gumnos: are you using flash?
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467[02:43:28] <gumnos> jmcnaught: No flash
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469[02:43:44] <monsune> gumnos how about plugins in your firefox?
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473[02:45:30] <gumnos> somiaj: As for other RAM usage, there's not any trigger that I can identify that suddenly would put pressure on RAM. It's usually claws-mail (~170MB RSS; ~1GB VIRT), a couple tabs of chromium (about the same usage as claws), and FF (usually ~1GB RSS; 2GB VIRT) as measured in htop.
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477[02:46:25] <somiaj> gumnos: firefox is the program causing issues, so that is the one I would think would be eating the ram, because when you kill it everything comes back. I don't think it is another program.
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480[02:46:31] <gumnos> FF plugins should be pretty tame, mostly to get rid of junk I don't want (webdeveloper, adblock plus, geolocater, nuke anything enhanced, refresh blocker, tabgroups)
481[02:46:36] <somiaj> and firefox can eat a lot of ram with tabs and poorly programed webpages
482[02:46:58] <somiaj> gumnos: you should see if you have the issue with a stock firefox and no plugins/extensions what so ever.
483[02:47:01] <monsune> gumnos disable all of them and check the cpu again... especially adblock is cpu heavy
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485[02:47:48] <gumnos> So I guess I'm trying to either figure out what the culprit is within FF, or find some way (more than nice/ionice) to contain the beast from taking over the machine. I don't mind if it become sluggish, it's just when it drags my system to its knees.
486[02:47:48] <somiaj> It could be just a sight you are going too causing a conflict with one of the addons. There are enough poorly written sites out there for this to happen.
487[02:48:01] <monsune> somiaj yes it does... it used to eat 16GB here... that's why i moved to opera
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489[02:48:50] <gumnos> If adblock is heavy, is there a recommended lighter alternative? I've heard good things about ublock origin and would be game to switch if it's better (mostly inertia keeping me on ABP)
490[02:48:50] <somiaj> monsune: their issue originally sounded like it was firefox memory issue in which swap was being used (that will slow any system down once there is a lot of i/o overhead)
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492[02:49:51] <monsune> somiaj pretty much true as well
493[02:49:52] <gumnos> yeah, I had swap a couple years back (before doubling my RAM to 4GB) and it was obvious when that got hit. So I simply no longer have swap space auto attached (I add it if I expect to use it properly, then disable it when done)
494[02:49:56] <somiaj> gumnos: I wouldn't worry about that until you track down the actual issue. You have been given lots of ideas, so now for some invesgiation. Also check iotop, it could be an i/o issue vs a cpu one.
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496[02:51:02] <monsune> this issue is most likely related to plugins, also too many tabs can cause cpu spikes with FF
497[02:51:06] <gumnos> even on a fast refresh, iotop gives a pretty broad picture. It also points the finger at FF (and my HDD light goes all christmas-tree), so my guess is that FF is trying to do something with the hard-drive. But I've gone and disabled as many disk-space-related settings as possible.
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499[02:51:46] <monsune> it is most likely accessing its sqlite db heavily
500[02:52:45] <gumnos> monsune: I use all the plugins pretty regularly, and would feel a bit vulnerable without some of the core ones. I'll try disabling the lesser-used ones and see if that helps. Is there any sort of diagnostic tool for FF that would help me track down the offending one? A "WTF are you doing to my disk right now, FF?!" plugin? ;-)
501[02:53:25] <ryouma> i asked that question (although more like what js is running) on #firefox and apparently there really isn't a ps there
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503[02:53:42] <somiaj> gumnos: I would disable them all, rember you are not using firefox, you are invesigating the cause of this io/cpu/memory issue that is pulling your system down. Once you find the culprit you can then start enabling the addons again.
504[02:53:46] <monsune> ryouma same here and then i switched to opera :)
505[02:54:11] <monsune> gumnos just try it to see if that really helps at all - at least you will be sure where the problem is
506[02:54:21] <ryouma> monsune: doesn't exist. i confirmed this by checking the debian repos.
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508[02:54:58] <gumnos> I'll go ahead and disable plugins. Thanks.
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510[02:55:35] <monsune> ryouma replaced-url
511[02:55:37] <gumnos> Though as a side note, it would still be nice to know how to sequester a process and enforce it to not use more than N% of my CPU/RAM. As best I can tell, ulimit doesn't support RAM limiting.
512[02:55:42] <gumnos> (on linux)
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514[02:56:03] <ryouma> when emacs gets good gui browser capability and multi-physical-core capability, it will have a ps by that time too
515[02:56:15] <monsune> seriously, try opera :) it even has built-in ad blocking that works great and javascript rendering is so much faster than with FF
516[02:56:42] <ryouma> i stick with debian repos, but it's nice to know it exists at least
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519[02:57:57] <ryouma> 17:49 <gumnos> yeah, I had swap a couple years back (before doubling my RAM to 4GB) and it was obvious when that got hit. So I simply no longer have swap space auto attached (I add it if I expect to use it properly, then disable it when done) -- you find this better than setting swappiness to 1?
520[02:58:50] <ryouma> 17:48 <gumnos> If adblock is heavy, is there a recommended lighter alternative? I've heard good things about ublock origin and would be game to switch if it's better (mostly inertia keeping me on ABP) -- i find ublock origin to work and seems no more heavy than abp and probably is lighter. its website says it is MUCH lighter.
521[02:59:18] <gumnos> I tried setting vm.swappiness to 1 and still had issues. It might have been a false solution masked by the FF issue at hand. I'm not against using swap, just against having a single process keep dragging my system to its knees :)
522[02:59:58] <ryouma> yeah firefox is problematic
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524[03:00:04] <monsune> test opera
525[03:00:23] <monsune> why can't you just listen? :) i stopped using FF months ago
526[03:00:33] <gumnos> Seeing that it appears related to how FF is using the disk, I've actually considered mounting a tmpfs style directory under ~/.mozilla/firefox/
527[03:00:34] <monsune> been tru same issues and got tired of them
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531[03:02:07] <gumnos> There are some plugins for FF that I use regularly and haven't found adequate replacements in chromium (want to stick to debian-repo DFSG software, so opera's out). But yeah, if I could move to chromium and get the same functionality, I'm open to investigating the possibility
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533[03:02:58] <monsune> right so your cpu is out as well and nothing you can do about it
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536[03:03:43] <ryouma> gumnos: inotify?
537[03:03:53] <monsune> soon you will also learn that your ram is out :)
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539[03:04:08] <ryouma> gumnos: or some linux sysadmin tool for monitoring activity?
540[03:04:29] <ryouma> monsune: we know firefox sucks. but we value dfsg.
541[03:04:37] <monsune> it's same with FF on windows and nothing you can do about
542[03:05:16] <ryouma> and similarly for me, chromium just doesn't do the stuff firefox does afaict
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544[03:05:36] <monsune> unless you keep not more than a few tabs open at least and limit your plugins to absolute minimum and well tested ones, anything beyond that - FF starts eating resources like crazy and devs not really helping with anything
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547[03:06:13] <monsune> ryouma not sure what stuff you mean?
548[03:06:42] <gumnos> monsune: I can't tell whether the CPU is out because of CPU-bound activity, or if the CPU is swamped because system processes are trying to keep up with all the I/O demands. It does seem triggered by I/O that FF is doing, but it takes out my CPU in the process (pun not intended, but found amusing post-facto)
549[03:07:06] <ryouma> monsune: dunno, just the stuff i am used to in firefox with my extensions
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551[03:07:51] <gumnos> And "throw more RAM at it" hasn't been working for me. 256MB -> 384MB -> new machine with 1.5GB -> new machine with 2GB -> 4GB. Still FF eats voraciously.
552[03:07:55] <monsune> ryouma i was using like 20 plugins and found alternatives for all of that, not to mention that some stuff was already shipped with opera
553[03:08:09] <gumnos> (that's a 15yr spread for perspective...FF always eats more than I have)
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556[03:08:42] <monsune> mine used to eat 16GB so i had to end the madness...
557[03:08:44] <r0ng> monsune: you know that a chinese company just bought opera, right?
558[03:09:11] <ryouma> gumnos: are your tabs all loaded or are they greyed out? do you vacuum firefox?
559[03:09:12] <monsune> r0ng they never made the deal yet actually
560[03:09:24] <r0ng> monsune: you sure? i had read that it was done.
561[03:09:44] <monsune> r0ng so many rumours about it while it's still the old, good opera
562[03:09:45] <r0ng> in any event, that was enough for me to uninstall and part ways with opera
563[03:10:01] <ryouma> i periodically restart and then vacuum firefox
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565[03:10:08] <r0ng> it's just chrome with built-in VPN and uBlock
566[03:10:10] <r0ng> nothing special
567[03:10:14] <r0ng> it runs on the chromium engine
568[03:10:28] <monsune> and it doesn't eat up all the cpu and ram :)
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573[03:10:46] <monsune> with 400 tabs open in 3 windows it only uses 8GB here and basically no cpu
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575[03:11:08] <r0ng> who has 400 tabs open?
576[03:11:15] <monsune> plus javascript rendering is like 5 times faster i would say
577[03:11:15] <r0ng> i start going crazy with a dozen tabs open
578[03:11:29] <ryouma> firefox is not htat bad then. i have 150 tabs in firefox and i only /have/ 4gb and it's fine for me for the time being
579[03:11:33] <monsune> r0ng my kid has more open usually :)
580[03:11:40] <missmbob> opera is awesome, but this is getting offtopic
581[03:11:43] <r0ng> for what purpose?
582[03:11:43] <missmbob> !ot
583[03:11:43] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
584[03:11:47] <r0ng> just too lazy to close them?
585[03:12:03] <monsune> r0ng are you a developer or a casual user?
586[03:12:09] <r0ng> casual user
587[03:12:20] <monsune> so that explains a lot, thank you
588[03:12:33] <r0ng> why would a developer have 400 tabs open?
589[03:12:37] <monsune> missmbob yup :/
590[03:12:47] <nicehsz> every browser ive tried crash eventually... last time i actually counted was when used chrome.. 500-something.. but likely related to the flash videos inside them? unsure.. (meth,porn.. could reach a million)
591[03:13:07] <gumnos> ryouma: "vacuum firefox"?
592[03:13:15] <ryouma> gumnos: aha. try it. hang on.
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594[03:13:23] <monsune> r0ng please, just keep your 12 open and be happy with your anti-chinese paranoia :)
595[03:13:46] <missmbob> please guys...this is perfect for #debian-offtopic
596[03:13:47] <monsune> while some people actually need a reliable browser for heavy use
597[03:13:55] <ryouma> gumnos: find . -name \*.sqlite\* -exec echo {} \; -exec sqlite3 {} VACUUM \;
598[03:13:56] <r0ng> well, it's not just a chinese company. it's a chinese company known for doing sketchy stuff in order to monetize products they buy.
599[03:13:59] <r0ng> okay fine missmbob
600[03:13:59] <r0ng> sorry
601[03:14:00] <monsune> missmbob i'm sorry, won't happen again
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603[03:14:04] <ryouma> gumnos: also reduce bookmarks
604[03:14:20] <gumnos> I added the "tab groups" plugin after FF removed the functionality. But yeah, a couple 100 tabs "open" (with a couple dozen actually loaded)
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616[03:17:04] <gumnos> ryouma: well, vacuuming is certainly churning hard. Hopefully between that and disabling some of my lesser-used plugins, things will improve. There's 10+ years of unvacuumed crud in there :-)
617[03:17:40] <gumnos> those urlclassifier*.sqlite ones seem to be taking quite a while.
618[03:17:46] <gumnos> I think that's an ABP thing
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625[03:20:04] <gumnos> Okay, I've vacuumed, disabled most of my plugins, will switch from ABP to uBlock and see if things improve. Thanks for all the hints/tips, gentlefolk.
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650[03:28:45] <awal1> Any background setter app for .gif ?
651[03:29:41] <somiaj> awal1: most image views should be able to. I use feh, and display from imagemagick can work too.
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657[03:31:22] <awal1> somiaj, yeah feh /imagemagik/ristretto open my .gif pictures just fine, I asked bcuz I thought further configs are needed for put x.gif picture as background
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659[03:31:29] <awal1> I'll try feh
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668[03:34:14] <r0ng> whoami
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673[03:36:49] <awal1> feh/imagemagick won't open this picture replaced-url
674[03:36:58] <awal1> ristretto does :P
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726[04:01:55] <i5um41ru> Hi, when I do "nslookup replaced-url
727[04:01:55] <i5um41ru> "nslookup skeffo.com". I would like to know how to do a cannonical name example
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737[04:07:30] <jmcnaught> i5um41ru: replaced-url
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752[04:16:44] <i5um41ru> jmcnaught: well, ok. what do you mean high? if it was 604800. could you tell me something about it. Well, i've got to go.
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768[04:30:14] <jmcnaught> i5um41ru: TTL is how many seconds other name servers should cache records for. Your TTL is one week, so resolving nameservers that have asked your authoritative nameserver about that record will not ask for another week.
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797[04:44:40] <[gnubie]> how do i check if i have packages that needs to be upgraded without prompting me the list of packages to be upgraded? i just want to print probably yes or no
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800[04:47:06] <jmcnaught> "apt list --upgradable" or "aptitude search '?upgradable'"
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804[04:50:30] <[gnubie]> how about suppressing the output of listing of upgradable packages?
805[04:50:54] <[gnubie]> i can’t find an option to it..
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807[04:51:31] <jmcnaught> [gnubie]: can you show an example of what you mean on replaced-url
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811[04:52:56] <[gnubie]> basically, i want to do this:
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813[04:53:21] <jmcnaught> [gnubie]: do you mean you want a boolean answer to "are there packages to upgrade?"?
814[04:53:35] <[gnubie]> yes, just boolean
815[04:53:50] <jmcnaught> [gnubie]: is this for a script?
816[04:53:55] <[gnubie]> yes
817[04:54:38] <[gnubie]> if there is at least one package to be upgraded on this system, return 1; else return 2.. something like that
818[04:54:44] <jmcnaught> is running "apt-get upgrade" when there are no upgrades a problem?
819[04:55:29] <[gnubie]> i actually don’t want to upgrade the system. i just want to know if the system needs to be upgraded or not.
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822[04:57:04] <dax> jmcnaught: no
823[04:57:23] <dax> ... Lol nvm, I fail at scrollback
824[04:57:24] <[gnubie]> apt-get -s -q upgrade will still list the packages to be upgrade..
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829[04:59:43] <jrabbit> use apt
830[04:59:50] <jrabbit> is it in stable tho
831[04:59:58] <jrabbit> its nice
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833[05:00:10] <missmbob> apt is in stable but not with all the features that testing/sid has
834[05:00:34] <jmcnaught> apt(8) man page also says don't use it for scripts
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836[05:01:03] <jrabbit> yeah because it may change
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842[05:07:51] <jmcnaught> [gnubie]: you could try and pull the number of packages that need to upgraded from 'apt-get -s upgrade' using awk
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846[05:08:18] <[gnubie]> yes
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861[05:20:53] <dr1337> Hi guys, I'm getting a time out while trying to get ttyS0 started. i've read that it could be caused by config fhandle in the kernel and i've enabled it but am still running into issues
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967[06:34:54] <ZhinZhao> hey peeps
968[06:35:07] <ZhinZhao> is there a good way to sync two systems packages and configs?
969[06:35:20] <ZhinZhao> like they both run debian 8 currently
970[06:35:32] <ZhinZhao> and I just want them to be pretty damn similar
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973[06:36:06] <n4dir> rsync
974[06:36:29] <ZhinZhao> rsync / ?
975[06:36:30] <ZhinZhao> haha
976[06:36:35] <ZhinZhao> seems like a not good idea
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978[06:36:52] <n4dir> why not good?
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980[06:37:18] <n4dir> done it lots of times, without problems
981[06:37:21] <ZhinZhao> hmm I suppose I could just have each one check the other when they cold booted
982[06:38:04] <ZhinZhao> I suppose actually being linux most stuff would probably still work even live though eh
983[06:38:07] <ZhinZhao> hmm
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985[06:39:08] <n4dir> i guess i would boot one system and boot the other one from a live-CD, mount the installed version, compare which stuff has changed via an argument for rsync (probably -u)
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987[06:39:37] <n4dir> but perhaps for what you want there is a better solution. I don't know much.
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989[06:39:54] <ZhinZhao> yeah seems pretty involved haha
990[06:40:03] <ZhinZhao> one thought I had
991[06:40:13] <ZhinZhao> was just to mount /etc/ and /usr/bin on a network share
992[06:40:28] <n4dir> though if you run stable, you won't have that much changes anyway ....
993[06:40:33] <ZhinZhao> or like merge the two folders somehow for /etc/
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995[06:40:40] <ZhinZhao> so only stuff configured on the network drive takes effect
996[06:40:52] <ZhinZhao> its mainly for app configs
997[06:41:04] <ZhinZhao> like im a dev and I want to have the same workflow everywhere
998[06:41:13] <ZhinZhao> but if I change something I dont want to change it in 3 places
999[06:41:16] <ZhinZhao> ideally anyway
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1001[06:42:07] <ZhinZhao> I did consider just having a vm I run off the network drive entirely
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1003[06:42:13] <ZhinZhao> since I have gigabit to all 3
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1006[06:42:37] <ZhinZhao> but 2 of them are laptops and arent even always at the home or office
1007[06:42:48] <ZhinZhao> and their battery life would suffer
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1024[06:46:54] <n4dir> quite some ideas here (and i often heard of git-annex, but don't know it): replaced-url
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1026[06:47:04] <n4dir> git came to my mind too, though.
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1030[06:47:17] <bartman357> I have a question
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1040[06:48:15] <bartman357> Is there any way to make the macbook trackpad have multitouch functionality almost identical to osx in kali linux? kali is debian based
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1053[06:57:11] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell ZhinZhao -about debian clone
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1055[06:57:46] <ZhinZhao> jmcnaught, thanks - that's probably the simplest way ive seen
1056[06:57:55] <ZhinZhao> is there a dpkg way to dump all my configs too?
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1058[06:58:21] <jmcnaught> ZhinZhao: take a look at the message from the bot. For configuration of packages, there's also debconf-get-selections and debconf-set-selections
1059[06:58:34] <jmcnaught> heh i'm lagging
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1062[07:00:38] <n4dir> how can i be told about debian clone too?
1063[07:00:51] <jmcnaught> n4dir: /msg dpkg debian clone
1064[07:01:02] <n4dir> thanks a ton.
1065[07:03:01] <jmcnaught> ZhinZhao: you might also be interested in using git (and possibly gnu stow) to manage your dot files for per-user settings.
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1075[07:10:22] <ZhinZhao> jmcnaught, is it a crazy idea to just rsync everything except /home
1076[07:10:30] <ZhinZhao> when the client vm's cold boot?
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1078[07:10:49] <ZhinZhao> so to get the changes they'd just reboot, and anything they set up custom in /home/ would be unchanged
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1080[07:11:07] <ZhinZhao> pretty hacky I know but we're just looking for something simple
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1089[07:14:55] <jmcnaught> ZhinZhao: i don't quite understand the problem you're trying to solve, but i wouldn't try to rsync /usr, /var, /etc between multiple computers
1090[07:15:30] <ZhinZhao> jmcnaught, its like, every monitor in our office is a 'node'
1091[07:15:34] <ZhinZhao> running its own vm
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1093[07:15:37] <ZhinZhao> for a specific purpose
1094[07:15:49] <ZhinZhao> an example use case we need is like
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1097[07:16:07] <ZhinZhao> say the social media team of 8 vm's needs a new chromium extension
1098[07:16:26] <ZhinZhao> we just want to do that once
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1100[07:17:12] <jmcnaught> ZhinZhao: it sounds to me like you need some configuration management software. ansible is pretty easy to get started with
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1102[07:18:04] <ZhinZhao> jmcnaught, I looked at ansible but it seemed complicated lol
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1105[07:18:22] <jmcnaught> 'ansible social_media -m apt -a "pkg=foo state=present"'
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1108[07:18:45] <ZhinZhao> whaaat
1109[07:19:00] <ZhinZhao> can you recommend me a good guide?
1110[07:19:03] <ZhinZhao> because that seems dope
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1122[07:21:09] <jmcnaught> ZhinZhao: replaced-url
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1124[07:22:34] <ZhinZhao> jmcnaught, is there a way to make this so like, all the ansible child node things
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1126[07:22:39] <ZhinZhao> reported to the master server
1127[07:22:46] <ZhinZhao> instead of them having fixed ip's in a hosts file
1128[07:22:49] <jmcnaught> ZhinZhao: using rsync to make all computers the same, it will get complicated managing the various "masters" that clones get copied from. You'll also need to sort out files while do need to be unique, like /etc/hostname etc
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1130[07:23:27] <ZhinZhao> no
1131[07:23:30] <ZhinZhao> there's only 1 master
1132[07:23:39] <ZhinZhao> but I understand it would lead to complications
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1134[07:23:46] <jmcnaught> ZhinZhao: with ansible you run it on a master computer that pushes its configuration to all the hosts in its inventory
1135[07:23:48] <ZhinZhao> so lets ditch that idea, ansible seems fine
1136[07:24:02] <ZhinZhao> jmcnaught, but what about for dynamic networks?
1137[07:24:14] <ZhinZhao> like I dont want to manually set up each new node we add
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1139[07:24:18] <ZhinZhao> because a new node is just a new monitor
1140[07:24:19] <ZhinZhao> heh
1141[07:24:30] <jmcnaught> nodes are desktop PCs in an office?
1142[07:24:32] <ZhinZhao> some people are going to have up to 10
1143[07:24:34] <jmcnaught> or thin clients?
1144[07:24:37] <ZhinZhao> no, for me each node is a vm
1145[07:24:45] <ZhinZhao> each with its own display on a common workstation
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1148[07:25:19] <ZhinZhao> so 10 monitors, 10 vms, 1 pc
1149[07:25:35] <jmcnaught> ansible has a bunch of inventory providers: replaced-url
1150[07:25:37] <ZhinZhao> but then other pc's will only have 2, one social media and one dev
1151[07:26:46] <ZhinZhao> cool looks like I can do that with openstack
1152[07:26:53] <ZhinZhao> thanks a lot
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1154[07:26:56] <jmcnaught> why have 10 VMs for 10 seats at a computer? why not use more traditional multiseat
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1156[07:26:58] <ZhinZhao> this seems perfect
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1159[07:27:20] <ZhinZhao> jmcnaught, because fuck tradition
1160[07:27:23] <ZhinZhao> oops, sorry
1161[07:27:24] <ZhinZhao> lol
1162[07:27:34] <ZhinZhao> we're a startup
1163[07:27:38] <ZhinZhao> we want things how we want them
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1165[07:27:49] <jmcnaught> heh, ansible is a lot less complex than openstack
1166[07:28:09] <ZhinZhao> jmcnaught, from that page you just linked it said I needed to use a provider
1167[07:28:25] <ZhinZhao> which ansible then wrapped around or something
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1169[07:28:47] <ZhinZhao> and then I can do something like this
1170[07:28:48] <ZhinZhao> ansible -i openstack.py all -m ping
1171[07:29:26] <ZhinZhao> what I would still need is some way to narrow that down again so it only did the thing on the correct nodes
1172[07:29:46] <ZhinZhao> like I dont want to install my social media chromium extension anywhere but on those vm's
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1174[07:30:09] <ZhinZhao> I know you demonstrated grouping before - but I need that WITH the dynamic inventory provider
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1177[07:32:17] <jmcnaught> ZhinZhao: i've only ever used static inventories with ansible, but the openstack.py seems to have functions for getting group information out of openstack
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1180[07:33:29] <ZhinZhao> fantastic, sorry for the stupid questions ill rtfm later today haha
1181[07:33:37] <ZhinZhao> but all of that seems like the perfect solution
1182[07:33:39] <ZhinZhao> thank you so much
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1184[07:34:56] <jmcnaught> ZhinZhao: cheers, there's also #ansible on this network if you have questions after reading the docs :)
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1187[07:35:26] <jmcnaught> ZhinZhao: others to look at are saltstack, puppet, chef
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1361[08:59:44] <r4f_debian> hi all
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1387[09:13:00] <r4f_debian> Hi all
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1392[09:13:44] <r4f_debian> Please, I suggested Debian GNU/Linux to a friend, he installed it but can't access internet by any way - he needs wi-fi connection
1393[09:13:53] <expgirlsix> I want the rabbi to explain what it's doing in their holy book that only they are fully human and that they can cheat and exploit everyone else.
1394[09:14:05] <expgirlsix> replaced-url
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1398[09:14:34] <r4f_debian> he has the following output: lo - no wireless extensions
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1401[09:14:35] *** expgirlsix was kicked by babilen (you should know better)
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1404[09:14:44] <r4f_debian> etho no wireless extensios
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1410[09:14:58] <r4f_debian> Please what shall we do ?
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1412[09:15:24] <babilen> Configure the wireless card, install firmware or a newer kernel if needed
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1414[09:15:51] <babilen> Start by running "lspci -nn|grep -i network" and check the pciid at the end in brackets against a module database
1415[09:16:02] <r4f_debian> babilen, please, where do I configure wireless card ?
1416[09:16:11] <r4f_debian> oh, ok
1417[09:16:18] <r4f_debian> I saw now your instructions
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1419[09:17:02] <Mahe> r4f_debian: maybe the non-free drivers will help: replaced-url
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1422[09:17:59] <r4f_debian> thanks Mahe, trying babilen suggestion here. I will se it afterwards, really thanks ! :)
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1431[09:20:05] <r4f_debian> babilen, I can't see what's going one there, he's asking me by telephone, but he said there was no return using this command
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1433[09:20:24] <r4f_debian> 'lspci -nn|grep -i network'
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1435[09:20:43] <babilen> What kind of wifi adapter is being used?
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1438[09:21:15] <r4f_debian> well, I don't know
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1440[09:21:24] <r4f_debian> lspci ?
1441[09:21:27] <miomio9090> hi
1442[09:21:31] <miomio9090> hello
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1445[09:21:43] <miomio9090> cista qualquno che parla italiano
1446[09:21:58] <babilen> dpkg: it
1447[09:21:58] <dpkg> Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
1448[09:22:07] <babilen> r4f_debian: You could ask
1449[09:22:51] <r4f_debian> babilen,I wil try it here, just one moment, please
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1453[09:23:41] <r4f_debian> the problem is: he doesn't know answering me
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1459[09:24:26] <r4f_debian> difficult to check it like that, I will suggest him to come here and check it directly to yours
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1461[09:24:39] <r4f_debian> thanks anyway, babilen !
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1465[09:25:15] <r4f_debian> My Debian Jessie here is Perfect, as ever. No problem, no issues, no bug, no nightmares :)
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1470[09:26:34] <r4f_debian> Bye babilen ! Bye all :)
1471[09:26:39] <babilen> r4f_debian: Is this a desktop pc, a laptop or something else?
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1473[09:26:43] <babilen> meh
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1477[09:27:12] <p3nt4> join #offse
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1482[09:28:19] <r4f_debian> I'm back to answer you, babilen: he is using a laptop
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1484[09:28:39] <r4f_debian> but, now the bomb: he is not using Debian
1485[09:29:02] <r4f_debian> he wasn't precise, to inform me he's using a Debian based distro: kali
1486[09:29:08] <r4f_debian> not Debian Jessie
1487[09:29:34] <r4f_debian> strange, for I never had such kind of network issue using Debian
1488[09:30:07] <r4f_debian> perhaps he thought that would ask to Debian channel about kali because it is based on debian
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1490[09:30:19] <r4f_debian> well, babilen, sorry about this :(
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1493[09:30:43] <babilen> Well, who knows ...
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1495[09:31:33] <r4f_debian> see you babilen, nice to meet you here :)
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1497[09:31:55] <r4f_debian> Bye !
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1528[09:42:48] <premoboss> hi dues, i need to install debina 7.0 wheezy 32bit, but i have difficulties to find the iso of first cd: comeone can give me a link?
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1545[09:48:24] <gquittet> Hello
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1554[09:50:22] <gquittet> I'm loodoons
1555[09:50:24] <gquittet> not gquittet
1556[09:50:29] <gquittet> Hello
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1579[09:58:16] <loodoons> CentOS vs Debian ?
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1581[09:58:27] <loodoons> I prefer debian and you?
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1597[10:09:58] <dcpc007> hi, on Debian 7, the "last" command shows a very short history ... is it default ? very boring to not have more than a few days inside
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1599[10:10:31] <dcpc007> on other distro i have months of history inside, enven after a reboot
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1608[10:12:56] <petemc> dcpc007: set | grep -i hist
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1610[10:13:49] <dcpc007> need to check what ?
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1612[10:14:21] <petemc> you can see the variables that control your bash history
1613[10:14:25] <petemc> is that not obvious?
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1616[10:14:44] <petemc> if you want to change them you can do it in ~/.bashrc
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1618[10:14:50] <dcpc007> i didn't speak about history command ????
1619[10:14:55] <petemc> ah ffs
1620[10:14:57] <petemc> sorry
1621[10:15:00] <dcpc007> 10:09:58) dcpc007: hi, on Debian 7, the "last" command
1622[10:15:07] <petemc> still early here
1623[10:15:10] <dcpc007> :o)
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1625[10:15:30] <dcpc007> i'm trying to monitor what other "dev" do on new servers
1626[10:15:43] <dcpc007> i detect some apt-get install command ... and not very happy
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1628[10:16:03] <dcpc007> and i don't know if there is differences between apt-get install and aptitude install ...
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1630[10:16:15] <dcpc007> i try to keep all new servers similar
1631[10:16:26] <missmbob> dcpc007: aptitude installs recommended packages by default and apt-get doesn't
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1634[10:16:53] <missmbob> what'll really change your world is when you learn there's another command...apt
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1638[10:18:43] <peterrooney> when debian treats apt-get like NIH... hope for the future fades.
1639[10:19:54] <missmbob> peterrooney: they don't touch apt-get for a reason. it'd break so many scripts. thus apt.
1640[10:20:23] <hi5_> hi folks
1641[10:20:31] <hi5_> any percona mysql user arround
1642[10:20:32] <hi5_> ?
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1644[10:20:40] <dcpc007> ok then a mysql + apache + phpmyadmin install via apt-get should not be so different than if i'd do with aptitude
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1647[10:21:02] <gry> hi5_: Hello! You could ask #mysql or here, but in either case, please give full details.
1648[10:21:06] <missmbob> dcpc007: right
1649[10:21:07] <gry> Straight away.
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1652[10:21:51] <hi5_> couple day back i notice percona mysqld not updating from repos
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1654[10:22:25] <gry> Do you get an error?
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1657[10:24:39] <hi5_> Duplicate sources.list entry replaced-url
1658[10:24:53] <hi5_> 1 min
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1661[10:25:31] <CyberJacob> Hi
1662[10:25:45] <hi5_> problem solved
1663[10:25:46] <gry> hi5_: Ok thanks; please pastebin your sources.list somewhere.
1664[10:25:52] <gry> Oh. Cool.
1665[10:25:55] <CyberJacob> Trying to make a dpkg for a program I wrote, using make-deb and dpkg-buildpackage
1666[10:26:00] <hi5_> its was my mistake
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1668[10:26:18] <CyberJacob> part of the install puts a file into /etc/systemd/system/
1669[10:26:26] <hi5_> to sim repos in source.list was
1670[10:26:27] <hi5_> :/
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1673[10:26:39] <hi5_> tb two
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1675[10:26:40] <CyberJacob> Is it possible to build a dpkg without having permissions to that folder (i.e. run as non-root)
1676[10:26:50] <gry> Yes. Understood. You have successfully done rubber duck debugging, hi5_; it is a working strategy.
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1682[10:28:37] <ksk> CyberJacob: you mean building a debian package? take a look at the fakeroot package
1683[10:29:05] <missmbob> CyberJacob: just add -rfakeroot to the end of dpkg-buildpackage
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1685[10:30:39] <CyberJacob> missmbob: nope, still get `error: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/etc/systemd/system/xxx.service'`
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1687[10:31:08] <missmbob> CyberJacob: pretty impossible to help without the full command and output
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1691[10:32:09] <missmbob> CyberJacob: also pastebin your debian/rules
1692[10:32:24] <pingfloyd> CyberJacob: you can't write to /etc without root perms. building is one thing, installing is another.
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1694[10:33:12] <CyberJacob> pingfloyd: I'm just trying to build, obviously I will need root to install
1695[10:33:18] <CyberJacob> missmbob: will do, two secs
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1697[10:34:06] <pingfloyd> CyberJacob: so what does the systemd unit have to do with building in this case?
1698[10:34:21] <missmbob> pingfloyd: good question. that's why i want to see everything
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1700[10:35:09] <dcpc007> i find why "last" history is so short ... default logorotate.conf is monthly / rotate 1 !!!
1701[10:35:20] <dcpc007> a little aggressive i think
1702[10:35:22] <pingfloyd> missmbob: yeah, plenty of missing info on this one
1703[10:35:32] <dcpc007> for wtmp and btmp
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1718[10:41:49] <CyberJacob> All 3 uploaded
1719[10:41:49] <CyberJacob> replaced-url
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1721[10:42:24] <Iridos> CyberJacob, none of the debian packages need root for building
1722[10:43:01] <CyberJacob> Iridos: It's a custom package I'm building, for a program I wrote
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1727[10:47:19] <CyberJacob> pingfloyd: poke
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1753[10:56:55] <Iridos> CyberJacob, I'd look how another package with a deamon does it… this looks like a common case?
1754[10:58:09] <CyberJacob> Iridos: found that dh-virtualenv suggests using the `install` directive (replaced-url
1755[10:58:20] <CyberJacob> But make-deb doesn't support that
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1764[11:03:32] <wrksx> hey there
1765[11:03:33] <wrksx> Now I'm upgrading to 16 LTS, it says 'A new version of /boot/grub/menu.lst is available, but the version installed currently has been locally modified'. I didn't modified it myself, so probably a script or it's my hoster's setup, got no clue. This is a server I'm only able to access through ssh so I'm not sure I'm goin to use that grub menu at all. My /boot/grub/menu.lst, contained lines like this:
1766[11:03:33] <wrksx> kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro console=tty0 console=ttyS0,57600 biosdevname=0
1767[11:03:35] <wrksx> initrd /initrd.img
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1772[11:05:19] <wrksx> Hum okay sorry for pasting to the chanel
1773[11:05:36] <Iridos> dpkg, tell CyberJacob about mentors
1774[11:05:52] <CyberJacob> wrksx: there should be an option after that message to show the differences between the two available versions of the file
1775[11:05:53] <Iridos> also, there is no 16LTS of debian
1776[11:06:03] <babilen> wrksx: I'm sure that you want #ubuntu
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1779[11:06:16] <Iridos> …so you'll probably want #ubuntu
1780[11:06:18] <Iridos> hey!
1781[11:06:28] <babilen> :-þ
1782[11:06:33] <wrksx> Yeah you guys unmasked me =)
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1784[11:07:07] <wrksx> but I prefer #debian, and you guys know how this work right?
1785[11:07:13] <babilen> wrksx: Seek support in the appropriate channel. It is really not nice to willingly lie or do otherwise. Use Debian if you want help in here.
1786[11:08:02] <wrksx> babilen, okay then sorry for the inconvenience. I use debian on some server, ubuntu on others
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1789[11:09:27] <babilen> wrksx: There's #ubuntu-server
1790[11:09:58] <wrksx> babilen, oh right, that might be more appropiate, thanks for the info
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1815[11:27:45] <ws2k3> how can i write zero's to unpartitioned space on my hard disk?
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1830[11:37:59] <somiaj> ws2k3: any reason you can't partition that space? I think that is easier, otherwise you are going to have to compute the boundaries of this space to write zeros only to that part
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1841[11:43:10] <somiaj> ws2k3: replaced-url
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1870[11:53:13] <Drzacek> create partition from unpartitioned space, wipe the data (dd if=/dev/zero...), delete partition
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1890[11:59:56] <XinZhao> hey my debian installer wants a network driver
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1892[12:00:12] <XinZhao> some .ucode file
1893[12:00:12] <XinZhao> where do I get that?
1894[12:00:20] <XinZhao> oh I just need the unofficial net installer?
1895[12:00:45] <babilen> Indeed
1896[12:00:48] <babilen> dpkg: firmware image
1897[12:00:48] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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1900[12:01:20] <XinZhao> thanks ill give that a go if this firmware.zip doesnt work
1901[12:02:36] <somiaj> XinZhao: there are instructions for using firmware with the offical installer. You can also install a base system with the netinstaller without the internet and just manually copy the firmware over after the install
1902[12:03:05] <XinZhao> thats what I was trying to do
1903[12:03:14] <XinZhao> but it let me go so far and then stopped
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1905[12:03:19] <XinZhao> wont let me continue
1906[12:03:20] <XinZhao> RIP
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1909[12:05:00] <babilen> XinZhao: From what kind of medium are you installing and how are you providing the contents of the firmware.zip ?
1910[12:05:06] <babilen> (did you unpack it?)
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1912[12:05:16] <XinZhao> yeah it just said to unzip it to the root of a flash drive
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1914[12:05:31] <XinZhao> its .deb files though not .ucode
1915[12:05:31] <babilen> Okay, and what did you do with the installer?
1916[12:05:37] <babilen> Yeah, that's no problem
1917[12:05:59] <babilen> Is the installer also on a USB stick?
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1921[12:07:33] <XinZhao> yes
1922[12:07:46] <babilen> And that works?
1923[12:07:51] * babilen never got that to work
1924[12:07:51] <XinZhao> ofcourse
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1928[12:08:00] <babilen> So you loaded the firmware?
1929[12:08:06] <XinZhao> its the only way I install anything these days hehe
1930[12:08:10] <XinZhao> no havent done the firmware yet
1931[12:08:12] <XinZhao> trying now
1932[12:08:25] <babilen> I am referring to loading the firmware (I also install from USB)
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1935[12:09:07] <XinZhao> well the site says it will work heh
1936[12:09:10] <babilen> Last time I tried it I only managed it when I was installing from CD and provided the firmware on USB, but not when the installer was on USB also
1937[12:09:12] <XinZhao> lets see
1938[12:09:19] <babilen> That was some time ago though
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1949[12:11:52] <XinZhao> lol yeah doesnt seem to work with the .deb files
1950[12:11:54] <XinZhao> it wants a .ucode file
1951[12:12:56] <babilen> It works with the .deb .. the error simply means "didn't find firmware"
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1953[12:13:14] <babilen> I'd use the firmware installer .. that also used to complain, but you could just continue
1954[12:13:15] <XinZhao> well its 100% within one of these .deb files
1955[12:13:16] <XinZhao> heh
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1958[12:13:32] <babilen> Alternatively unpack the .deb and take it from there
1959[12:13:41] <XinZhao> replaced-url
1960[12:13:41] <babilen> (but then you would still have to load it)
1961[12:13:44] <XinZhao> bam
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1963[12:14:13] <babilen> You really don't have to do that
1964[12:14:22] <XinZhao> well according to that
1965[12:14:29] <XinZhao> it doesnt work even to unpack them
1966[12:14:34] <XinZhao> so ill just get the unoficial one
1967[12:14:41] <babilen> It does when you install from a burned CD
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1970[12:14:58] <XinZhao> I dont have a cd rom -_-
1971[12:15:10] <babilen> That's okay .. just use the installer with firmware.
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1973[12:15:20] <XinZhao> yah
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1978[12:16:40] <talin> hello. so when i try to install the latest debian, the installer crashes... ubuntu works, but not ubuntu lte. and this server used to run debian in the past... so the theory is that something on the latest debian installer is making it crash. so i'm wondering if it's possible to install a super-old version of debian and then upgrade? because it seems that only the installer is the problem.. and crashes at ra
1979[12:16:46] <talin> ndom times
1980[12:17:31] <XinZhao> now I have to wait for another download
1981[12:17:31] <XinZhao> zzzz
1982[12:17:52] <somiaj> talin: debian provides upgrade paths and if you just upgrade a minimial system before you start installing software there is very little issue. You just need to ensure you upgrade through each release. So if you start at squeeze -> wheezy -> jessie (/msg dpkg wheezy->jessie for instance)
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1984[12:18:40] <somiaj> talin: also read the release notes about each upgrade. It will warn you of known issues.
1985[12:18:47] <missmbob> talin: you're using the stretch alpha installer?
1986[12:21:50] <somiaj> (also with random crashes, could be hardware such as memeory)
1987[12:22:48] <missmbob> sure would be nice if we werent talking to ourselves :P
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1989[12:23:45] <somiaj> I tend to think out loud.
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1993[12:25:23] <XinZhao> hey is it worth me switching out debians display manager for a lighter one on an ultra low power build?
1994[12:25:30] <XinZhao> and if so - any recommendations ?
1995[12:25:41] <XinZhao> ill probably use fluxbox or something
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1997[12:26:07] <somiaj> XinZhao: or just use startx and not have a display manager
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1999[12:26:15] <XinZhao> nah im good
2000[12:26:15] <XinZhao> lol
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2002[12:26:19] <somiaj> XinZhao: debian has mutliple display managers to choose from in the repos.
2003[12:26:35] <XinZhao> somiaj, right but I have no idea which one would be better for that
2004[12:26:38] <XinZhao> :)
2005[12:26:40] <babilen> talin: Which installer are you using and what's the problem?
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2007[12:26:50] <missmbob> what is "that" ?
2008[12:27:06] <XinZhao> missmbob, 'for a lighter one on an ultra low power build?'
2009[12:27:08] <XinZhao> as above
2010[12:27:09] <somiaj> XinZhao: lightdm seems to be popular these days.
2011[12:27:11] <babilen> XinZhao: I'd recommedn "lightdm"
2012[12:27:18] <babilen> *recommend even
2013[12:27:22] <XinZhao> haha thats two for lightdm ill give that a go
2014[12:27:23] <XinZhao> thanks
2015[12:27:31] <XinZhao> oh um
2016[12:27:38] <XinZhao> whats the term for the thing id need for openbox
2017[12:27:43] <XinZhao> to add a like taskbar thing
2018[12:27:46] <XinZhao> a docker?
2019[12:27:48] <missmbob> i use lightdm too but it's silly to claim it uses less power
2020[12:27:54] <babilen> XinZhao: It's called a "dock"
2021[12:28:00] <babilen> (or "taskbar")
2022[12:28:03] <XinZhao> missmbob, im on core-m so less cycles used === less power
2023[12:28:04] <Voyager82> Hello. I had a problem with the "backlight" of my Laptop, and I have succeeded in solving it with the following command: "echo 255 > /sys/class/backlight/radeon_bl0/brightness". Now, I want this command to be runned, as root, every time the computer starts up. What is the best place to put it?
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2025[12:28:10] <XinZhao> babilen, cool cheers
2026[12:28:25] <XinZhao> any recommendations for any good ones?
2027[12:28:27] <XinZhao> id love 0one kind of line windows 8
2028[12:28:34] <XinZhao> or unitys docker
2029[12:28:40] <XinZhao> where I just pin stuff
2030[12:28:46] <babilen> *shrug*
2031[12:28:46] <XinZhao> I dont like quicklaunches anymore
2032[12:29:02] <babilen> XinZhao: Please try to not hit enter whenever a comma or fullstop would do
2033[12:29:19] <missmbob> less power but uses unity. makes sense.
2034[12:29:50] <XinZhao> no dawg
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2037[12:29:57] <XinZhao> I said I want something like unitys docker
2038[12:29:59] <XinZhao> for openbox
2039[12:30:07] <XinZhao> read if you're going to be salty
2040[12:30:08] <XinZhao> lol
2041[12:30:24] <missmbob> you really don't get the enter thing do you?
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2046[12:31:03] <XinZhao> missmbob, ;)
2047[12:31:13] <babilen> dpkg: enter
2048[12:31:13] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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2052[12:33:14] <somiaj> XinZhao: the openbox community may have suggestions for docks to use.
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2075[12:42:49] <wrksx> switched to debian after a boot failure
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2098[12:51:15] <hardwary> hi
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2106[12:52:54] <gry> yeah hello hardwary
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2109[12:53:36] <hardwary> hi! :D
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2161[13:14:13] <XinZhao> argh
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2163[13:14:23] <XinZhao> I grabbed the unoffocial firmware iso
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2165[13:14:36] <XinZhao> but still doesnt work from usb
2166[13:14:40] <XinZhao> thats so stupid
2167[13:14:54] <hardwary> efi stuff?
2168[13:15:07] <Voyager82> Where can I put a script to be executed as root when the PC is started up? I'm trying to regulated the brightness of the screen, through the following command to be executed as root "echo 255 > /sys/class/backlight/radeon_bl0/brightness", for all users.
2169[13:15:14] <Voyager82> ?
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2171[13:15:55] <ksk> Voyager82: debian8? systemd "one time" job
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2175[13:17:26] <Voyager82> ksk, I tried to put it in rc.local, but didn't work. Do you know why?
2176[13:17:35] <missmbob> XinZhao: how did you copy it to usb?
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2178[13:18:22] <babilen> XinZhao: What doesn't work?
2179[13:18:26] <teraflops> Voyager82: pass the correct param to grub instead doing echo 255 > /sys/class/backlight/radeon_bl0/brightnes
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2182[13:18:54] <teraflops> Voyager82: like video.use_native_backlight=1 or whatever you need
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2185[13:21:38] <Voyager82> teraflops, /etc/default/grub?
2186[13:21:45] <teraflops> yep
2187[13:22:03] <teraflops> Voyager82: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=…
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2189[13:22:15] <teraflops> then update grub
2190[13:22:28] <teraflops> s/generate new config
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2192[13:22:57] <Voyager82> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="echo 255 > /sys/class/backlight/radeon_bl0/brightness"?
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2194[13:23:20] <teraflops> nope ^
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2196[13:23:57] <teraflops> Voyager82: please re-read what I wrote
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2200[13:24:33] <Voyager82> video.use_native_backlight=1 or whatever?
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2202[13:24:47] <teraflops> yes
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2208[13:27:20] <Voyager82> teraflops, however, in my directory /sys/class/backlight, there are two subdirectories: acpi_video0 and radeon_bl0. I've already tried a line similar to yours, but didn't work. I can regulate the backlight from radeon_bl0, but not from acpi_video0. There must be a problem related to this fact.
2209[13:28:21] <tobiasBora> Hello,
2210[13:29:15] <tobiasBora> I have a little problem : when I connect my headset to my computer using bluetooth, only the profile A2DP sink works (good quality, but no microphone)
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2213[13:29:44] <Voyager82> teraflops, "echo 10 > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness" does not work, but "echo 255 > /sys/class/backlight/radeon_bl0/brightness" does.
2214[13:30:08] <tobiasBora> When I try to switch to HSF/HFP (to have a microphone) I get the error in syslog : "pulseaudio[3223]: [pulseaudio] module-bluez5-device.c: Refused to switch profile to headset_head_unit: Not connected
2215[13:30:10] <tobiasBora> "
2216[13:30:16] <tobiasBora> Any idea to solve this problem ?
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2221[13:31:35] <teraflops> Voyager82: sorry?
2222[13:31:42] <teraflops> Voyager82: use grub ^
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2230[13:34:45] <Voyager82> teraflops, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi_backlight=native"?
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2243[13:40:01] <teraflops> Voyager82: this is the 3rd time I tell you. pass the right acpi line according to your gpu
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2246[13:40:38] <ZhinZhao> gah
2247[13:40:45] <ZhinZhao> soz just hard locked my pc somehow lol
2248[13:40:54] <B[]rG> hehe
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2251[13:41:21] <teraflops> Voyager82: idk what is the right one I just told you that is better dealing with grub than echoing things to /sys/class/backlight
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2261[13:45:19] <ZhinZhao> cool
2262[13:45:29] <ZhinZhao> had to copy the files to /firmware
2263[13:45:32] <ZhinZhao> done/done
2264[13:45:42] <ZhinZhao> stupid that the one I needed still wasnt in unofficial
2265[13:45:51] <ZhinZhao> all done now though
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2269[13:46:33] <missmbob> ZhinZhao: it doesn't help that you don't answer questions and keep changing your nick
2270[13:46:51] <ZhinZhao> missmbob, I didnt see any because my pc hardlocked and I had to restart
2271[13:46:57] <ZhinZhao> the other nick hadnt ping timed out yet
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2273[13:47:03] <ZhinZhao> honestly, read if you're going to be so salty
2274[13:47:04] <ZhinZhao> lol
2275[13:47:16] <teraflops> ಠ_ಠ
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2278[13:48:31] <babilen> ZhinZhao: You don't have to do anything .. the installer complains, but you can just continue and firmware will be there and used.
2279[13:48:41] <ZhinZhao> babilen, lol meh
2280[13:48:46] <ZhinZhao> its all fixed
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2282[13:48:51] <babilen> Which is why I asked
2283[13:49:00] <ZhinZhao> as I say just get firmware.zip and copy into /firmware/ on the bootable usb
2284[13:49:03] <ZhinZhao> done/done
2285[13:49:18] <ZhinZhao> and no, the firmware wasnt working for my wifi card
2286[13:49:18] <missmbob> no no. it just "doesnt work from usb"
2287[13:49:21] <ZhinZhao> so no network
2288[13:49:28] <ZhinZhao> missmbob, well, it just worked just fine from usb ;D
2289[13:49:36] <ZhinZhao> which once again I said 3 times
2290[13:49:37] <ZhinZhao> lol
2291[13:49:37] <missmbob> i was quoting you, moron
2292[13:49:43] <ZhinZhao> I didnt say that ;D
2293[13:49:50] <ZhinZhao> someone else did
2294[13:50:01] <ZhinZhao> lol
2295[13:50:03] <missmbob> ignore it is
2296[13:50:05] <ZhinZhao> cant catch a break today eh
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2300[13:50:25] <ZhinZhao> yes, call me a moron because you cant read ever and then im the one who needs ignoring
2301[13:50:27] <ZhinZhao> ^___^
2302[13:50:30] <ZhinZhao> some people haha
2303[13:50:57] <ZhinZhao> thank you to whoever put me on to the firmware zip file thingy
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2308[13:53:01] <ZhinZhao> zero passing drives for encryption is sooo sloreplaced-url
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2325[14:03:25] <crazythings> hi. is debian ntp using root to sync time?
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2328[14:03:45] <crazythings> the daemon is running as ntp but i'm not able to filter any traffic by that user
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2341[14:09:00] <ksk> crazythings: for how long did you watch? Id expect it to only connect to a ntp server periodicly
2342[14:09:56] <crazythings> i tried to restart
2343[14:10:04] <crazythings> and i used tcpdump to see the ntp traffic
2344[14:10:33] <crazythings> packets are there but i don't get any matched on my iptables
2345[14:10:42] <crazythings> i've got a rule that math ntp user ... 0 packets
2346[14:11:09] <crazythings> atm i got no traffic even on root i'm so confused
2347[14:11:17] <OerHeks> watch port 123 ?
2348[14:11:20] <crazythings> yes
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2350[14:11:29] <crazythings> tcpdump udp port 123
2351[14:11:38] <crazythings> on iptables i've got match owner uid ntp
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2353[14:11:54] <crazythings> now i add a simple 123 check
2354[14:11:59] <stoned> Good morning
2355[14:12:02] <stoned> <3
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2357[14:13:00] <crazythings> OerHeks: ahah still no traffic even watching 123 with iptables
2358[14:13:07] <crazythings> it's like iptabes is ignoring udp?
2359[14:13:16] <crazythings> it doesn't.. it matches domain requests.
2360[14:13:26] <crazythings> but he can't see ntp
2361[14:13:43] <crazythings> 0 0 ACCEPT all -- any any anywhere anywhere owner UID match ntp ctstate NEW
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2363[14:13:46] <crazythings> 0 0 ACCEPT udp -- any any anywhere anywhere udp dpt:ntp
2364[14:14:06] <crazythings> i see on tcpdump lot of ntp traffic. and i restarted several times ntp daemon to start new connections
2365[14:14:20] <avian> crazythings, ntpd process runs as UID "ntp" and has CAP_SYS_TIME capability set. This is how it can set time without running as root.
2366[14:14:40] <crazythings> cool but why is ntp traffic invisible on iptables... :(
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2368[14:14:51] <crazythings> does that CAP_SYS_TIME go behind iptables?
2369[14:15:15] <avian> crazythings, no. that has nothing to do with network.
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2371[14:15:24] <ksk> nah, its just to enable the user ntp setting something only root is allowed to
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2373[14:15:38] <crazythings> it's like ghost networking
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2377[14:16:11] <crazythings> i've got OUTPUT on DROP and the usual cstate RELATED,ESTABLISHED allowed + couple of NEW state allowed. ntp+domain+root
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2380[14:16:26] <crazythings> but no packets get into ntp or root when i restart ntp. but i can see with tcpdump the traffic is there
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2382[14:16:41] <ZhinZhao> gnome-panel vs xfce-panel?
2383[14:16:53] <crazythings> ZhinZhao: gnome on gnome xfce on xfce?
2384[14:17:08] <ZhinZhao> crazythings, im using openbox
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2386[14:17:12] <ZhinZhao> I just want a taskbar
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2389[14:18:33] <crazythings> xfce ofc. gnome-panel require lot of deps
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2392[14:18:45] <ZhinZhao> cool, yeah good call thats what I was thinking too
2393[14:18:48] <crazythings> try yourself an apt-get install
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2395[14:19:13] <ZhinZhao> yeah 13mb for xfce4-panel
2396[14:19:15] <ZhinZhao> lets see for gnome
2397[14:19:16] <ZhinZhao> lol
2398[14:19:33] <ZhinZhao> haha 791 mb
2399[14:19:34] <ZhinZhao> >.<
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2401[14:19:39] <Iridos> I'd try some of the independent task bars, definitely not the gnome one
2402[14:19:50] <ZhinZhao> any recommendations?
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2404[14:19:56] <Rephlexie> tint2 is super light
2405[14:20:01] <ZhinZhao> openbox's docs just had a few recommendations
2406[14:20:09] <ZhinZhao> the panel I use will do the window decorations etc too no?
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2408[14:20:16] <crazythings> xfce one is pretty light anyway
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2411[14:20:31] <crazythings> you can try without rec deps too
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2413[14:21:11] <arvind> when update-initramf is happening i see a lot of missing modules messages - this is on the vanilla just installed debian desktop box.
2414[14:21:11] <ZhinZhao> how do I make the panel start automatically in openbox
2415[14:21:12] <Iridos> searching doesn't even return so much: apt-cache search task bar |grep -v -i -e ^lib -e window.manager
2416[14:21:15] <ZhinZhao> oh there's a thing in the rtfm
2417[14:21:42] <Iridos> ZhinZhao, I think I'd try tint2, perl-panel and lxpanel, fbpanel
2418[14:22:01] <ZhinZhao> eh I was using lxpanel
2419[14:22:05] <ZhinZhao> it wasnt that great
2420[14:22:16] <ZhinZhao> was I right this handles my window decorations and stuff too?
2421[14:22:21] <ZhinZhao> or is that lightdm?
2422[14:22:29] <ZhinZhao> or openbox
2423[14:22:29] <ZhinZhao> lol
2424[14:22:31] <ZhinZhao> agg
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2426[14:22:32] <Iridos> no, the wm does that
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2429[14:25:00] <Iridos> ZhinZhao, I switched to lxde… that uses openbox as a wm and lxpanel
2430[14:25:13] <Iridos> seems ok to me… I don't really want so much from a DE
2431[14:25:17] <ZhinZhao> yeah thats where I used the lx panel
2432[14:25:21] <ZhinZhao> I just didnt really like it much
2433[14:25:29] <ZhinZhao> it seemed very well made just meh
2434[14:25:37] <ZhinZhao> I want something more custom I guess
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2436[14:25:50] <ZhinZhao> using lx reminded me of using windows 7 lol
2437[14:26:00] <Iridos> seems ok to me
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2439[14:26:10] <Iridos> dunno, I've never in my life really used windows
2440[14:26:16] <chriz> how to install nvidia driver debian? im using deepin OS base on debian, and install nvidia-detect and nvidia-driver,but i could use this card in blender, pls. help
2441[14:26:23] <ZhinZhao> how do I change the display that opens by default when the system boots?
2442[14:26:31] <ZhinZhao> its using display 1 (terminal)
2443[14:26:40] <ZhinZhao> I want display 7 or whatever
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2446[14:28:02] <teraflops> ZhinZhao: display? you mean tty right?
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2448[14:28:28] <teraflops> unless you have 7 screens…
2449[14:28:41] <Iridos> chriz, ask #deepin, we can only answer for debian here
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2451[14:29:06] <ZhinZhao> sure
2452[14:29:06] <ZhinZhao> tat
2453[14:29:06] <ZhinZhao> that
2454[14:29:06] <ZhinZhao> lol
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2458[14:29:12] <Iridos> !next
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2460[14:29:13] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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2462[14:29:18] <ZhinZhao> lol
2463[14:29:49] <Iridos> you might want to use punctuation instead of enter occasionally ^^
2464[14:30:01] <ZhinZhao> sorry - bad habbit
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2466[14:30:22] <ZhinZhao> it is debian anyway - im just using openbox and stuff :))
2467[14:30:30] <teraflops> ZhinZhao: are you in debian jessie?
2468[14:30:35] <ZhinZhao> yeah
2469[14:30:43] <ZhinZhao> 8.6 or whatever
2470[14:30:46] <teraflops> you do DM or just startx?
2471[14:30:56] <ZhinZhao> im using lightdm
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2475[14:32:20] <asarch> Are there any guidelines to upgrade a PostgreSQL server in Debian?
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2482[14:33:45] <morf> hi
2483[14:33:47] <morf> is there some debian mobile channel?
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2485[14:34:24] <arvind> when update-initramf is happening i see a lot of missing modules messages - this is on the vanilla just installed debian desktop box. Is this a bug or something to be concerned about?
2486[14:34:56] <arvind> Also I am looking for a timer, that tells me to get away from the computer ever hour or so - what app would you guys recommend?
2487[14:35:00] <teraflops> morf: is there debian for mobile?
2488[14:35:09] <morf> teraflops: sure
2489[14:35:20] <morf> replaced-url
2490[14:35:22] <chaosfisch> hi, if I download debian 8.6 now, will it contain 4.7+75~bpo8+1 kernel automatically?
2491[14:35:23] <morf> it's something in progress i guess
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2493[14:36:29] <teraflops> morf: you mean chroot debian?
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2495[14:36:48] <themill> chaosfisch: no
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2497[14:37:28] <chaosfisch> themill: thanks
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2506[14:40:22] <stoned> I want to work w/ mobile debian, really badly
2507[14:40:34] <stoned> I haven't got a phone that is open though. I have a Galaxy 5
2508[14:41:02] <stoned> But as soon as I am able to acquire a phone that is open or otherwise rootable, I should be working w/ that.
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2510[14:41:18] <stoned> I did try Ubuntu phone on someone's pc but it seemed about as bloated as the distro itself.
2511[14:41:27] <stoned> s/pc/phone/
2512[14:41:33] <teraflops> chrooting debian in a smartphone it not what I'd call debian for mobile…
2513[14:42:18] <morf> it shouldn't be so hard theoretically
2514[14:42:35] <morf> the only problem i guess is hw support / drivers
2515[14:42:43] <morf> but it's bit offtopic thanks anyway
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2517[14:43:09] <morf> there is #debian-mobile irc.debian.org if you interested
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2530[14:48:45] <helpmeffs> Hello :)
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2538[14:51:18] <helpmeffs> which desktop interface is best for managing multiple windows / applications?
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2542[14:52:34] <morf> any? :)
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2544[14:53:19] <helpmeffs> thanks!
2545[14:53:26] <helpmeffs> lmao
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2557[14:57:25] <missmbob> it really depends what you mean by windows. irssi has windows and you're fucked if you use it in pantheon-terminal, for instance
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2567[15:02:19] <slikts> can I set "most" to be the pager for all users?
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2570[15:03:16] <themill> update-alternatives --config pager
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2573[15:04:00] <slikts> nice, at least that's better than editing dotfiles
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2575[15:04:41] <themill> Of course any user can still set PAGER for themselves
2576[15:05:05] <slikts> I'm the only user
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2579[15:05:41] <slikts> the others are a figment of my imagination
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2581[15:06:02] <JohnA> Just updated to the latest stretch. Apache2 will not start systemd is complaining that it cannot find /usr/sbin/apache2ctl (its there, together with a symlink to apachectl) know problem? fix?
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2584[15:06:36] <themill> the bts would know
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2617[15:15:02] <slikts> can I set a constraint that only includes new entries, not existing ones?
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2620[15:16:47] <ZhinZhao> hey how do I disable the boot menu timeout
2621[15:17:29] <missmbob> ZhinZhao: did you google disable grub timeout?
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2669[15:37:06] <daniel-s_> Is this a bot?
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2677[15:37:33] <morf> tripping hard
2678[15:37:55] <daniel-s_> Also, I was going to ask anyone that has setup their own email server. Is it difficult to get Google to accept your SSL certificates?
2679[15:37:55] <missmbob> daniel-s_: thanks. we needed to be flooded with extra bullshit
2680[15:38:27] <daniel-s_> Sorry, I mean, accept your emails wihtout SSL certificates.
2681[15:38:35] <Loracks> no i aint a bot yo
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2684[15:38:44] <Loracks> im just lorax
2685[15:38:50] <Loracks> (an ircop)
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2687[15:39:06] <daniel-s_> I have a server, but Google drops emails that originate from it.
2688[15:39:14] <missmbob> a #debian op you're not
2689[15:39:14] <ksk> daniel-s_: first of all, in email there is no checking of the SN of a cert, because then you had to do SNI for all the domains you serve on your cluster (no way to do that)
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2693[15:40:05] <ksk> (depending on how you setup a domain of course, if send mail to mx0.google.com google can setup a cert for that)
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2696[15:41:02] <ksk> also, google does not block mail withouth ssl by default; I could Issue a 'echo "test" |mail -s "test123" my@gmail.com' from my linux box right here and the mail will be in my inbox
2697[15:41:06] <ksk> they probably do not like you :>
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2702[15:42:33] <OpenTokix> daniel-s_: For your email to be accepted by google you need a correct smtp-setup. And one of them is to have a PTR record for your mail-server that is the same as your forward domain. And also a TXT SPF-record for your domain.
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2704[15:43:01] <ZhinZhao> I keep getting errors from everything saying it cant connect to x11
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2706[15:43:14] <ZhinZhao> but its running on tts 7
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2708[15:43:16] <ZhinZhao> er 8
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2711[15:43:31] <ZhinZhao> $DISPLAY doesnt appear to be set
2712[15:43:38] <ZhinZhao> what would I set that to? 0:7?
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2715[15:43:54] <babilen> "everything" ?
2716[15:43:55] <ZhinZhao> er :8
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2720[15:44:55] <teraflops> google does not care about no having txt spf record
2721[15:45:31] <daniel-s_> OK. Thanks everyone.
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2723[15:46:18] <ZhinZhao> ah its ok adding stuff to /etc/xdg/openbox/autostart does the trick just fine
2724[15:46:27] <teraflops> s/no/not
2725[15:46:28] <ZhinZhao> I should still figure out what $DISPLAY should be
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2727[15:47:16] <ZhinZhao> is a log of who logs into root with su and when?
2728[15:47:22] <ZhinZhao> or can I enable one?
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2760[15:59:29] <ZhinZhao> rahh autologin was working and then just stopped again -_-
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2778[16:05:23] <jak2000> greycat i have a windows machine copied same configuration, to linuxhow to force
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2780[16:05:32] <jak2000> uninstall a package that is insstalled: apt-get install proxmox-ve
2781[16:05:35] <jak2000> how to remove?
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2790[16:08:21] <zmitya> Guys, can I run iostat and iotop at the same time ? Will they interfere somehow /
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2809[16:12:30] <blueflag> Hello, I have been unable to get my wifi-adapter to work. Are there any that will plug & play, currently using 725n
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2819[16:16:21] <teraflops> blueflag: is 725n a brand? a model? a what?
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2822[16:16:50] <blueflag> abbreviation
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2827[16:17:38] <blueflag> TP-Link TL-WN725N Network Adapter
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2830[16:18:26] <teraflops> also what did you try to "get the wifi-adapter to work"?
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2846[16:24:40] <blueflag> currently im trying to figure out how to edit sources.list, its read only. then im following a guide i found online
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2850[16:25:41] <babilen> blueflag: You would have to be root to do that or run your editor with sudo
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2855[16:26:46] <blueflag> oh thankyou :)
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2865[16:28:37] <blueflag> still not letting me comment out a line :/
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2871[16:31:17] <blueflag> nvm i just cant use vi lol
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2885[16:33:43] <da3m0n22> aloha, is there a way to list everything that hooks on events such as lid-closed or power-button-pressed ? i'm trying to debug, what hibernates my machine, when settings (logind, xfce4-power-manager) are set to suspend
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2887[16:34:15] <da3m0n22> pm-is-supported is true for everything, and it worked like week ago before upgrades
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2890[16:35:08] <blueflag> apt-get install build-essential hangs @ 1%, is there a wireless adapter that works out of box for 8.6?
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2952[16:52:18] <spleen> Hello all,
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2954[16:52:33] <spleen> i have an error with curl command
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2956[16:52:55] <spleen> i think it miss some quotes
2957[16:52:57] <spleen> curl --insecure --include -XPOST --user $user:$password $url --data-binary 'events title=$title, text=$text, tags=$tags'
2958[16:53:11] <spleen> what is the correct syntax ?
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2961[16:54:20] <da3m0n22> spleen: whats content of variables?
2962[16:54:31] <greycat> Use double quotes instead of single quotes.
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2964[16:54:53] <greycat> Also use double quotes around "$user:$password" and "$url"
2965[16:55:10] <greycat> replaced-url
2966[16:56:41] <`Kevin> ^
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2968[16:56:53] <spleen> da3m0n22, {"error":"unable to parse 'events title=TEST, text=This is a test, tags=1476284098': invalid boolean"}
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2971[16:58:00] <greycat> Well, that's a question for whoever's web site you're sending this data string to.
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2973[16:58:22] <greycat> You've got the variables expanding correctly now, which is all we can help you with.
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2975[16:59:39] <Crypto> how can i format the system >
2976[16:59:40] <Crypto> ?
2977[16:59:48] <Crypto> im using v box
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2980[17:01:09] <Guest20311> how can i format my os debian on vbox?
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2982[17:01:27] <tinyhippo> Guest20311: as in empty the disk or what
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2984[17:01:50] <Guest20311> tinyhippo nope its not empty , i already have the disk
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2987[17:02:04] <Guest20311> tinyhippo i just want to format it from terminal
2988[17:02:09] <tinyhippo> Guest20311: so you want to install debian onto a new virtualbox VM
2989[17:02:20] <Guest20311> i already have it
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2991[17:02:44] <tinyhippo> so debian is installed in a VM, in virtualbox
2992[17:02:51] <tinyhippo> what do you mean by "format"
2993[17:03:12] <Guest20311> tinyhippo , i just got it image and there is alot of files i dont need and i want to format it
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2995[17:04:10] <tinyhippo> Guest20311: I really don't understand what you are trying to do. If you follow this tutorial, it will show you how to install Debian in a VirtualBox VM, replaced-url
2996[17:04:28] <tinyhippo> other than that, I don't think I can help you unless you describe what you are trying to do in a different way
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2998[17:04:34] <Guest20311> tinyhippo i already have the system but i want to format it
2999[17:04:51] <babilen> Guest20311: "format" doesn't really mean anything .. do you mean that you want to create a new filesystem?
3000[17:05:10] <tinyhippo> Guest20311: do you want to wipe the system you have installed, or something else?
3001[17:05:10] <babilen> Or delete it completely?
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3004[17:05:21] <Guest20311> i mean the hard drive
3005[17:05:37] <tinyhippo> so you want to delete all of the files within the virtual machine?
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3007[17:06:22] <Guest20311> yes
3008[17:06:31] <tinyhippo> you realise that will break the debian installation?
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3011[17:07:00] <tinyhippo> you could do rm -rf --no-preserve-root /
3012[17:07:05] <tinyhippo> but I would not recommend doing that.
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3016[17:07:30] <babilen> Guest20311: You have a virtual machine. If you want to get rid of it you could just delete it along with its image.
3017[17:07:31] <tinyhippo> and I would make sure that you have backups
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3021[17:08:23] <wfq> hi all
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3029[17:10:47] <wfq> My Debian, which I do not remember what version I was running, came up to the typical grub rescue> console. When typing ls I can see msdos7, 6, 5 and 2. However when doing ls (hd0,x) being x the number before I find "unknown filesystem" in all of them except msdos7. However I can't see anything else except lost+found and a couple of zips
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3032[17:11:14] <wfq> I believe I install Debian in one single partition
3033[17:11:27] <wfq> Any hint to follow please?
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3038[17:13:13] <jhutchins> wfq: Restore your backup.
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3040[17:13:48] <wfq> jhutchins, sorry what? Do you mean that it is gone?.
3041[17:14:09] <wfq> I can guess I can use a live usb to restore the partition somehow?
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3045[17:15:01] <jhutchins> wfq: A live/rescue image might be easier to navigate than grub.
3046[17:15:53] <wfq> The problem is I have no idea what type of Debian I had installed
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3048[17:16:33] <jhutchins> That's OK, you don't even need to use a debian image. systemrescuecd is pretty good.
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3050[17:17:11] <jhutchins> You appear to have three partitions, plus the base logical partition.
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3052[17:18:04] <jhutchins> I think a live image would be easier to navigate, to find the release file in /etc if you need it, to run grub-install if necessary.
3053[17:18:12] <jhutchins> You probably want to run fsck.
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3056[17:18:47] <wfq> I am going to go down to using a live image
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3058[17:19:08] <wfq> forgot there must be 4/5 years I haven't done so
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3061[17:21:38] <wfq> jhutchins, can't I just use a netInstall boot it from an usb
3062[17:21:40] <wfq> ?
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3066[17:25:27] <cluelessperson> Hi all, is there something wrong with this udev rule?
3067[17:25:28] <cluelessperson> SUBSYSTEM=="input", ATTRS{name}=="stmpe-ts", ENV{DEVNAME}=="*event*", SYMLINK+="input/touchscreen"
3068[17:25:32] <cluelessperson> I can't seem to get it to work
3069[17:25:45] <cluelessperson> Following these instructions
3070[17:25:45] <cluelessperson> replaced-url
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3072[17:25:56] <jhutchins> wfq: I'm not sure if netinstall has rescue mode. If it does, that would be sufficient.
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3079[17:26:11] <wfq> I think it used to have
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3149[17:48:22] <simonsaysdiaf> if my /etc/debian_version says stretch/sid, what does that mean?
3150[17:48:32] <simonsaysdiaf> i was expecting it to say one or the other
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3154[17:48:53] <greycat> !debian-next
3155[17:48:53] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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3177[17:57:03] <simonsaysdiaf> i see
3178[17:57:10] <simonsaysdiaf> so nobody here can even answer that one question?
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3181[17:57:52] <greycat> If we answer that, you'll ask another.
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3183[17:58:02] <wfq> I am not sure whether I am understanding well guys. Is this the way of creating a bootable usb stick?replaced-url
3184[17:58:08] <babilen> simonsaysdiaf: A lot of people in this channel are also in the other. It's just that testing and unstable are specifically supported in #debian-next
3185[17:58:08] <simonsaysdiaf> i promise i won't ask another question
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3189[17:58:26] <wfq> Just using dd if= of=... Or is that just copying the iso?
3190[17:58:27] <greycat> wfq: the Debian install images are writable directly onto USB. Just cp foobar.iso /dev/sdwhatever
3191[17:58:30] <simonsaysdiaf> babilen: makes sense, i'd just rather not configure another irc network
3192[17:58:44] <Hello71> greycat: that's what the instructions say
3193[17:59:03] <babilen> dpkg: otherchannel simonsaysdiaf #debian-next irc.oftc.net
3194[17:59:03] <dpkg> simonsaysdiaf: The channel you are looking for is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. Please do /server irc.oftc.net and then /join #debian-next. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://irc.oftc.net/#debian-next
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3196[17:59:25] <wfq> greycat, sure but would that be bootable? That is what I don't understand well
3197[17:59:35] <simonsaysdiaf> yes i know how to connect to other irc network. i'm just banned from that one
3198[17:59:41] <simonsaysdiaf> or rather
3199[17:59:44] <simonsaysdiaf> my host is
3200[17:59:45] <Hello71> hm, do any GNU coreutils use splice(2)
3201[17:59:50] <greycat> Yes, the debian install images, written to a USB "disk", can be booted as long as the target machine is capable of booting a USB "disk".
3202[17:59:51] <babilen> wfq: You can use dd or cp (faster by default) and the command would look something like "cp /path/to/the.iso /dev/sdb ; sync" (with /dev/sdb being your usb stick)
3203[18:00:21] <Hello71> wfq: what use exactly would it be if it isn't
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3205[18:00:48] <babilen> simonsaysdiaf: Packages constantly migrate from unstable to testing. My recommendation would be to keep both testing and unstable in your sources.list and to set the default release to testing if you want to track that (cf. /msg dpkg tum)
3206[18:01:11] <wfq> Ok. In the past or last time I did many years ago one had to make the usb bootable. Sorry fi I am outdated :). I actually did dd if=<file> of=<device> bs=4M; sync
3207[18:01:11] <simonsaysdiaf> babilen: thank you :)
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3209[18:01:52] <babilen> wfq: That should have worked .. I prefer "cp <file> <device>" (less to type), but the result is the same
3210[18:02:15] <greycat> And it should be an *install* image, NOT a live image.
3211[18:02:24] <greycat> The live images are pretty bad right now.
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3213[18:02:35] <babilen> Indeed
3214[18:02:44] <arvind> i am looking for an app that functions as atimeer where it says or forces me to take a break
3215[18:03:05] <arvind> Any reccomendations?
3216[18:03:11] <wfq> sure, it is: debian-8.6.0-i386-netinst.iso
3217[18:03:12] <bibble> I'm looking for a good android version
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3219[18:03:39] <bibble> guess just set an alarm, for say every hour.
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3221[18:04:05] <arvind> also my phone does not show up when I plug it in. Looking at dmesg i can see that it gets regonized and that the devices is found
3222[18:04:08] <babilen> wfq: Are you sure you want the i386 and not the amd64 image? On what kind of hardware are you installing?
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3230[18:05:21] <wfq> babilen, it is a laptop from 2011. It should actualy be amd64
3231[18:05:38] <babilen> aye
3232[18:05:41] <greycat> The latest installer is a hybrid i386/amd64 image, which I have not personally used yet.
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3234[18:05:53] <babilen> I mean .. feel free to install i386
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3236[18:06:04] <wfq> but the lapto does not recognise the usb. I am gong to try somewhere else
3237[18:06:10] <babilen> greycat: All of them? I thought that's a special iso.
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3240[18:06:33] <greycat> you may have to go into the laptop's firmware/boot menu to tell it to boot from USB, or it may simply be incapable and then you would have to boot a real CD
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3245[18:07:08] <greycat> babilen: I mean the green/white box on the front page, replaced-url
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3250[18:07:19] <babilen> Yeah, that's a hybrid one
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3252[18:07:43] <greycat> I haven't done an install since those were made.
3253[18:07:46] <wfq> greycat I did that is why i am going to try somewhere else to ensure that is not my laptop that is asking being replaced ;)
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3309[18:26:10] <al3xv3gas> Easiest way/compiler/tool to distribute a python script as a debian package?
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3314[18:26:57] <jimis> Hello all, I'm trying to find "apt-ftparchive" source code as a tarball, so that I can build it on CentOS; Anyone got any pointers?
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3360[18:41:44] <wfq> I finally could boot it. However it is asking me to choose the root file system. I have no idea in which partition actually was. It seems that I actually created different partitions for / /user /var etc... as my sda is heavily partitioned.
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3411[19:00:28] <remanos> hi all
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3425[19:05:47] <vagrus> hi
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3427[19:05:59] <vagrus> What is the difference between rsync and unison exactly? :)
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3429[19:06:06] <vagrus> unison seems to be a more bidrectionally oriented?
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3432[19:06:23] <Iridos> well, wtf is unison
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3436[19:07:05] <th0r_> no, unison is not wtf
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3438[19:07:15] <ZhinZhao> thanks to everyone whos helped today, my new openbox install is totally awesome
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3440[19:07:24] <Iridos> and it's also not well?
3441[19:07:26] <ZhinZhao> only one thing isnt working
3442[19:07:26] <ZhinZhao> auto login
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3456[19:11:10] <Iridos> and that was, btw, an answer… rsync is a standard tool that has been around for ages and that everyone uses, unison is not
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3458[19:11:24] <vagrus> I see
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3462[19:12:35] <vagrus> apparently unison isn't in development anymore anyway :/
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3470[19:13:30] <Iridos> I was just going to say… perhaps unison doesn't use the concept of "comfortable use" from the 80ies anymore, though
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3473[19:13:56] <vagrus> "comfortable use" in terms of *nix philosophy?
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3477[19:14:39] <Iridos> I'd say more general than that…
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3486[19:16:33] <Iridos> emacs or vi aren't actually much unix philosophy
3487[19:16:38] <Iridos> but that's getting to philosophic
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3505[19:22:04] <Iridos> Unison requires no root privileges, system access or kernel changes to function.
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3507[19:22:08] <Iridos> err… yeah
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3513[19:23:14] <cdb23ax> hello i have a app that is crashing in debian called srcds. i tried gdb but it says Failed to read a valid object file image from memory.
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3524[19:25:15] <Iridos> there is nothing in debian called srcds
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3526[19:25:49] <greycat> if the question is "how 2 gdb", there are basically 3 paths. First, if you have a core file, you do "gdb /path/to/srcds core" and then backtrace or whatever.
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3530[19:26:06] <greycat> Second, if you have a running process, you can attach to it by PID (process ID).
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3532[19:26:32] <greycat> Third, if you have neither, you can use "gdb /path/to/srcds" and set breakpoints or whatever, and then run the process "in" gdb. Then if it crashes, gdb will take over.
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3535[19:26:41] <cdb23ax> the output is replaced-url
3536[19:27:14] <cdb23ax> here it is discribed i did it exactly how they mentioned replaced-url
3537[19:27:30] <cdb23ax> i issued gdb ./srcds_i686 core
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3544[19:28:35] <cdb23ax> i started srcds under a condition that it should normally work without gdb
3545[19:28:45] <cdb23ax> but it just hangs at gdb and srcds is stopped
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3547[19:29:07] <cdb23ax> without gdb its running
3548[19:29:08] <greycat> When analyzing a core file, usually you want to run "backtrace" and then send the full output to a programmer who can read it.
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3551[19:29:30] <cdb23ax> my problem is that iam just a server admin who tries to fix an error in this app
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3554[19:29:43] <cdb23ax> iam not a prgrammer
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3556[19:29:55] <greycat> You'll need to get in touch with the supporters/developers of this program.
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3559[19:30:23] <cdb23ax> the problem is it is a plugin which is loaded during startup
3560[19:30:30] <cdb23ax> then the srcds app crahes
3561[19:30:34] <Iridos> is it possible you have ulimit -c set to something smaller than "unlimited"?
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3563[19:30:40] <cdb23ax> the developer is not there for plugins
3564[19:31:05] <cdb23ax> its 20000
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3566[19:31:26] <Iridos> I guess that's why you get BFD: Warning: /home/gods1/core is truncated: expected core file size >= 226975744, found: 999424.
3567[19:31:32] <greycat> A truncated core file is typically not useful.
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3581[19:34:33] <cdb23ax> ok how can i set it to unlimited
3582[19:34:34] <Iridos> although I cannot explain how 20K fits together with 999424
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3584[19:35:02] <cdb23ax> i tried ulimit -c unlimited
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3587[19:35:07] <cdb23ax> but same output as before
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3589[19:36:06] <greycat> ulimit -c is in "blocks"
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3597[19:37:54] <Iridos> ah. one of the most obvious units in linux
3598[19:39:10] <Iridos> but then it's 10 times smaller than ulimit would allow
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3600[19:39:34] <cdb23ax> ulimit -a says core file size (blocks, -c) unlimited
3601[19:39:45] <cdb23ax> but same output
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3603[19:40:08] <Iridos> anyway, if you can trigger the bug at will, just run the program under gdb or connect to the pid as greycat suggested…
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3606[19:40:10] <greycat> Did you *rerun* this thing after changing the ulimit, and generate a *new* core file?
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3608[19:40:25] <Iridos> heh
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3610[19:40:40] <greycat> Changing the ulimit won't magically un-truncate an old core file.
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3625[19:44:11] <cdb23ax> where is the core file located?
3626[19:44:46] <greycat> In the process's current working directory.
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3629[19:44:54] <greycat> Assuming it had write privileges.
3630[19:45:01] <cdb23ax> yes there was a file named core
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3632[19:45:04] <cdb23ax> i deleted it
3633[19:45:07] <cdb23ax> but same error
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3637[19:45:31] <greycat> I don't know what "same error" means. What did you do, and what happened?
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3643[19:46:55] <new-nick> Hi there
3644[19:47:04] <new-nick> Trying to use netbeans on Debian Jessie
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3647[19:47:13] <new-nick> no package avail for jessie. is it fine to download and use netbeans as any Java application rather than installing as package for Debian jessie
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3649[19:47:26] <ZhinZhao> hey peeps I cant get this debian install to ditch its old dhcp lease
3650[19:47:32] <ZhinZhao> it should have a new one reserved in the router
3651[19:47:40] <ZhinZhao> ive got the host name and mac address set correctly
3652[19:47:43] <ZhinZhao> reset the router
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3655[19:47:51] <ZhinZhao> bought the interface down and back up
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3657[19:47:58] <ZhinZhao> still .7 when it should be .2
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3660[19:49:09] <new-nick> Will netbeans works well without installin as Debian package (jessie) ?
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3670[19:51:24] <squigz> What type of fs do I need for a live USB of Debian?
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3676[19:52:09] <mtn> squigz: when you burn an iso to an usb, it overwrites everything. so, you don't need to worry about it.
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3678[19:52:39] <squigz> mtn: I can just use dd on the whole disk instead of a prtition?
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3680[19:53:02] <greycat> squigz: there is no other way.
3681[19:53:05] <missmbob> squigz: that's how you have to do it
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3683[19:53:07] <mtn> squigz: that is what you are supposed to do. never to the partition
3684[19:53:10] <greycat> Using a partition would not work.
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3686[19:53:15] <squigz> Ah
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3688[19:53:26] <squigz> Hnece my trial and error with unetbootin/dd/etc
3689[19:53:28] <squigz> Thanks
3690[19:53:41] <missmbob> also never again mention or use unetbootin
3691[19:53:48] <squigz> I don't anymore :P
3692[19:53:54] <squigz> What is the recommended GUI tool now?
3693[19:54:07] <ZhinZhao> rufus is good for windows ^_^
3694[19:54:11] <missmbob> fuck no
3695[19:54:14] <missmbob> dont use rufus
3696[19:54:14] <squigz> Yeah I've heard of Rufus
3697[19:54:17] <squigz> Ooh
3698[19:54:20] <missmbob> !rufus
3699[19:54:20] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
3700[19:54:25] <sh00p> wait, what's so horrible about unetbootin
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3702[19:54:32] <missmbob> !unetbootin
3703[19:54:32] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
3704[19:54:33] <ZhinZhao> lol, I just did the install using rufus
3705[19:54:37] <ZhinZhao> no problems at all
3706[19:54:41] <missmbob> ZhinZhao: great. you got lucky
3707[19:54:42] <squigz> "cruel and unusual ways"
3708[19:54:43] <squigz> love it
3709[19:54:45] <ZhinZhao> I feel lucky
3710[19:54:49] <ZhinZhao> Ive done it many times
3711[19:54:51] <ZhinZhao> lol
3712[19:55:00] <squigz> I have too, but it sometimes doesn't work
3713[19:55:01] <greycat> Why would you EVER do it more than once?
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3715[19:55:12] <greycat> Once you've installed Debian once, you can use Debian to write the images to media.
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3717[19:55:31] <vagrus> bootstrapping then!
3718[19:55:41] <ZhinZhao> ive only got 1 debian machine
3719[19:55:46] <ZhinZhao> so if something goes haywire with it
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3721[19:55:53] <ZhinZhao> and I dont have install media..
3722[19:56:02] <squigz> ^
3723[19:56:03] <missmbob> haywire? wtf are you doing with it?
3724[19:56:11] <OerHeks> i would try etcher, multi platform see replaced-url
3725[19:56:15] <missmbob> we're talking debian stable, right?
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3727[19:56:21] <ZhinZhao> you know, cracking some eggs to make the omlette
3728[19:56:22] <ZhinZhao> ;D
3729[19:56:24] <missmbob> !etcher
3730[19:56:24] <dpkg> methinks etcher is initial testing shows etcher is not a reliable way to copy debian images for installation. instead use cp or dd for linux, or win32diskimager for windows. replaced-url
3731[19:56:44] <ZhinZhao> heyy
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3733[19:56:55] <ZhinZhao> is there a way to run dropbox without having it as an open app?
3734[19:56:57] <squigz> I realize I'm actually trying to create an Ubuntu USB. Same premise, or should I go bug #ubuntu
3735[19:57:07] <ZhinZhao> squigz, #ubuntu
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3739[19:57:23] <missmbob> squigz: not the same at all. that's why most of those crap tools work with ubuntu but not debian
3740[19:57:31] <squigz> missmbob: right, figured. thank you
3741[19:57:34] <squigz> ZhinZhao: you too
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3743[19:58:00] <rozie> squigz: depends what you are trying to achiveve with "live usb debian"
3744[19:58:20] <squigz> rozie: I'm actually trying to do Ubuntu, my mistake
3745[19:58:21] <rozie> if you just want portable Debian - install it on usb just like on hard disk
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3749[19:58:43] <rozie> install grub there and boot from CD
3750[19:58:49] <rozie> should work
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3753[19:59:25] <greycat> as long as you don't need it to be "portable" across systems that require the weird nvidia or ATI drivers
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3755[20:00:03] <rozie> true
3756[20:00:04] <jelly-home> or any non-free firmware
3757[20:00:19] <rozie> jelly-home: you can install all non-free firmware there ;)
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3760[20:00:34] <jelly-home> rozie: and you can install weird nvidia or amd drivers, too
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3762[20:00:42] <greycat> Can you install both of them simultaneously?
3763[20:00:55] <rozie> I guess Xorg won't change config on the fly
3764[20:01:01] <greycat> Can you use a disk with the weird nvidia drivers installed, on a system that needs the free ones?
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3766[20:01:09] <jelly-home> greycat: was that "or" an inclusive one?
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3768[20:01:47] <squigz> For the future, Ubuntu seems to not require any different procedures for creating a Live USB
3769[20:01:51] <squigz> just dd the iso and set the boot flag
3770[20:01:52] <greycat> jelly-home: I'm imagining 1 system that needs weird nvidia, 1 that needs weird ATI, and 1 that needs both of them to be absent, though I guess the third system really just needs *one* of them to be absent.
3771[20:01:55] <crazythings> heeeey. so i report again my cool issue: ntp is able to use network even if not allowed by iptables and if i write any rule to try to catch the traffic iptables match 0 packets... i even dumped with tcpdump and saw that ntp traffic is there on the port 123. but nothing to detect with iptables... so weird and scary at the same time. someone know what's wrong with ntp daemon? what kind of magic trick debian did
3772[20:01:57] <greycat> Not my forte.
3773[20:01:57] <crazythings> there?
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3775[20:02:14] <squigz> Thanks for the help guys, gotta go
3776[20:02:16] <missmbob> squigz: forget the boot flag. that hasnt been a thing in many years
3777[20:02:23] <squigz> missmbob: Oh, awesome, thank you
3778[20:02:35] <jelly-home> crazythings: is it a virtualized or physical system?
3779[20:02:41] <greycat> crazythings: did you firewall TCP, UDP, or both?
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3782[20:03:35] <crazythings> everything by the daemon user + only udp on port 123 since i'm using 'tcpdump udp port 123' and i see the traffic there.
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3786[20:04:07] <crazythings> the scary thing is working without any rule that allow it to work. so is not just a misscounted thing... it's like iptables is ignoring that kind of traffic
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3788[20:04:30] <jelly-home> crazythings: also, which debian release?
3789[20:04:32] <crazythings> jelly-home: is physical armel machine
3790[20:04:38] <crazythings> current! jessie 8
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3792[20:04:47] <jelly-home> crazythings: what does "uname -a" say
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3794[20:05:11] <crazythings> that is up to date eheh :) i've got the custom kernel/firmware by raspberrypi
3795[20:05:12] <jelly-home> crazythings: pastebin that, and output of "iptables-save"
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3797[20:05:17] <crazythings> ok wait
3798[20:05:28] <jelly-home> crazythings: are you sure you're on Debian and not raspbian?
3799[20:05:41] <crazythings> yep! used debootstrap myself :)
3800[20:05:50] <jelly-home> but it's not a debian kernel?
3801[20:05:56] <croddy> ahahahaha
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3803[20:06:07] <crazythings> nope. i need the official by the foundation to boot
3804[20:06:09] * jelly-home waits for uname -a and iptables-save
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3806[20:06:16] <crazythings> gimme time...
3807[20:06:23] <jelly-home> !paste
3808[20:06:23] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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3824[20:10:24] <madprops> I need to install a newer version of mod_wsgi for py that seems to be outdated in the repos ... should I just compile it?
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3826[20:10:42] <crazythings> jelly: replaced-url
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3828[20:11:47] <crazythings> the last rule detect 0 packets and if i remove it ntp is still working
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3831[20:13:17] <missmbob> crazythings: why do you feel the need to hide things you openly paste in irc?
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3833[20:13:34] <jelly> crazythings: your machine initiates conversation with ntp peers. I guess conntrack probably takes the return traffic as "RELATED"
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3835[20:13:52] <jelly> missmbob: why the hell does it matter?
3836[20:13:53] <crazythings> jelly: yeah but where are the initial packets? 0 matches
3837[20:14:14] <crazythings> missmbob: since i don't like useless noise
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3839[20:14:16] <jelly> crazythings: I don't see the counters from here, sorry
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3841[20:14:27] <crazythings> jelly: i'll give you wait
3842[20:15:01] <forgotmynick> if an IP is dropped using replaced-url
3843[20:15:42] <jelly> crazythings: restart ntp service, look at the counters for rule 1 in INPUT and rule 1 in OUTPUT before and 15 seconds after the restart
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3845[20:16:27] <crazythings> jelly:replaced-url
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3849[20:16:39] <crazythings> i tried of course to restart ntp lot of time even with pause between
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3851[20:17:25] <teraflops> forgotmynick: man iptables? iptables [-t table] -D chain rulenum
3852[20:17:45] <jelly> that's only OUTPUT and I can't say if it's before or after. Comparing the two is the goal, and making sure no other traffic goes thru in the meantime
3853[20:18:01] <forgotmynick> teraflops: ??
3854[20:18:08] <crazythings> jelly: it just get higher the related one.. that output is from the beginning of the test..
3855[20:18:15] <jelly> crazythings: that means doing it at the console not ssh, and probably making sure no other network-talkative services are running
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3858[20:18:44] <teraflops> forgotmynick: sorry?
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3861[20:19:05] <missmbob> can any irssi genius tell me why it randomly highlights nicks? teraflops was highlighted the last two times for reasons i cant understand
3862[20:19:09] <arvind> zswap - anyone using this for desktop?
3863[20:19:20] <arvind> notice any differences?
3864[20:19:24] <teraflops> heh
3865[20:19:30] <jelly> or just set up a rule to just log -m udp --dport 123 on OUTPUT and -m udp --sport 123 on INPUT, before the conntrack rule
3866[20:19:40] <greycat> You probably have a weird /hilight setting
3867[20:19:41] <jelly> arvind: no, using zram.
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3869[20:20:03] <jelly> it's useful sometimes.
3870[20:20:05] <crazythings> jelly: i get 2 new packet by root when i restart ntp
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3872[20:20:11] <missmbob> greycat: i dont even know how to use /hilight so i doubt i did that
3873[20:20:11] <arvind> jelly, have you used zswap before? Curious to know more about the claims? Currently have 3gb ram
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3876[20:20:23] <crazythings> but ntpd run as ntp so what's going on?
3877[20:20:24] <greycat> missmbob: well, type "/hilight" with no args to see what the current ones are...
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3879[20:20:37] <jelly> arvind: I have taken a look at all three z* things and decided zram best fits my needs
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3881[20:20:49] <crazythings> jelly: and lot of new domain requests.
3882[20:20:49] <missmbob> greycat: 18:20 1 nick <-- that's it
3883[20:21:00] <forgotmynick> teraflops: apology accepted
3884[20:21:02] <greycat> Then I don't know -- ask #irssi?
3885[20:21:08] <missmbob> fair enough
3886[20:21:28] <arvind> jelly you use no swap partition for desktop?
3887[20:21:54] <teraflops> greycat: sorry for highlight you, you did an irss script for dealing with unicode glyphs on tty?
3888[20:21:55] <arvind> jelly, bit curious here :)
3889[20:21:56] <greycat> missmbob: or... hm. Maybe it literally means it's matching the string "nick" instead of your nickname?
3890[20:22:06] <crazythings> jelly: i was thinking that maybe in some weird way ntp were using domain port since it get lot of packets there but... in tcpdump i can see is all port 123. the only thing that could helping ntp daemon is root but why is root opening things to ntp daemon?
3891[20:22:10] <greycat> teraflops: on a Latin-1 system. yes.
3892[20:22:19] <greycat> It would not be useful to anyone on UTF-8.
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3894[20:22:28] <teraflops> greycat: you put it somewhere in he intertubes?
3895[20:22:32] <missmbob> greycat: damn. i think you're right
3896[20:22:45] <jelly> arvind: I have swap on zram, sized at 66% or total RAM, and a tiny .5GB swap partition on SSD
3897[20:22:46] <teraflops> forgotmynick: I wasnt apologizing
3898[20:22:51] <teraflops> s/the*
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3900[20:22:57] <teraflops> holy lag
3901[20:22:57] <jelly> s/or/of/
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3904[20:23:34] <greycat> teraflops: replaced-url
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3906[20:23:43] <teraflops> greycat: thank you very much
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3910[20:24:03] <jelly> arvind: it makes chrome accept a couple dozen more tabs, and a couple more hours before it becomes unusable
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3914[20:24:19] <crazythings> jelly: after restarting ntp and waited for 1-2 mins: replaced-url
3915[20:24:44] <crazythings> jelly: but i can see with tcpdump with udp port 123 like 100 packets meantime
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3918[20:25:31] <crazythings> i've got an idea i try to catch as uuid root traffic on 123
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3920[20:25:40] <ZhinZhao> hey is there a quick little line I can put in a .sh file to 'set the current users home to the current working directory'
3921[20:25:42] <ZhinZhao> :)
3922[20:25:48] <greycat> ZhinZhao: no.
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3924[20:25:59] <ZhinZhao> er sorry
3925[20:26:01] <ZhinZhao> not home
3926[20:26:02] <crazythings> yes?
3927[20:26:05] <greycat> Changing the user's home directory involves writing to the /etc/passwd file. Which requires root.
3928[20:26:06] <jelly> crazythings: there's a couple hundreds between 16551 and 17814
3929[20:26:07] <ZhinZhao> like, their initial cwd
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3931[20:26:16] <crazythings> just reset $HOME?
3932[20:26:17] <missmbob> greycat: i did /dehilight 1. mind testing it to make sure my own nick still hilights?
3933[20:26:18] <ZhinZhao> where their terminals open sorry
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3935[20:26:39] <greycat> ZhinZhao: You mean changing the window manager's current working directory? No.
3936[20:26:50] <ZhinZhao> greycat, no, the users default one
3937[20:26:52] <ZhinZhao> :/
3938[20:27:00] <crazythings> permanently?
3939[20:27:03] <greycat> ZhinZhao: The terminal inherits working directory from the window manager.
3940[20:27:09] <ZhinZhao> well perm til changed crazythings
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3942[20:27:13] <ZhinZhao> ideally
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3944[20:27:21] <crazythings> changed what? working directory?
3945[20:27:25] <greycat> It is part of the inherited aspects of processes, like environment variables and ulimits.
3946[20:27:34] <ZhinZhao> crazythings, yeah like im a dev
3947[20:27:39] <ZhinZhao> so sometimes where im working will be like
3948[20:27:40] <jelly> crazythings: ntpd does not run as root by default on debian, it drops privs very early
3949[20:27:42] <ZhinZhao> 8 directories deep lol
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3951[20:27:52] <ZhinZhao> its a pain to always navigate there
3952[20:27:57] <crazythings> jelly: i know but i can't really filter any NEW packets by ntp daemon...
3953[20:28:04] <greycat> You could create a quick shell alias that cd's to this place.
3954[20:28:10] <greycat> Then type that in each new term.
3955[20:28:18] <crazythings> lemme try the root trick just in case something is missconfigured
3956[20:28:28] <ZhinZhao> theres got to be a way to trigger a thing for a new terminal
3957[20:28:35] <forgotmynick> teraflops: you were and I forgave you. No take backs
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3960[20:28:48] <teraflops> ok ;P
3961[20:28:49] <ZhinZhao> im using lxterm or whatever
3962[20:28:55] <jelly> crazythings: eh, I've proposed a way to verify they end up accepted in the ctstate rule, stop all other traffic, look at numbers
3963[20:29:12] <teraflops> forgotmynick: at least did you get what I said about iptables?
3964[20:29:26] <greycat> ZhinZhao: You could put a cd command in ~/.bashrc and each new terminal AND each new shell-escaped instance of bash would run that.
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3970[20:30:51] <crazythings> jelly: let's say it's our case. how i reset cstate status of ntp connections?
3971[20:31:05] <jelly> no idea
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3973[20:31:23] <ZhinZhao> greycat, perfect
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3976[20:31:34] <ZhinZhao> so then how do I make that so I can do like ./sethere
3977[20:31:37] <jelly> crazythings: maybe flush rules, unload kernel modules?
3978[20:31:40] <ZhinZhao> er or sethere
3979[20:31:46] <ZhinZhao> and it changes the string to cd to
3980[20:31:55] <jelly> but I think once you get conntrack going there's no stopping it
3981[20:31:59] <crazythings> jelly: i restart the network daemon maybe?
3982[20:32:05] <jelly> that won't help
3983[20:32:07] <missmbob> i'd ask #netfilter
3984[20:32:16] <jelly> there is no "network daemon" to speak of
3985[20:32:17] <missmbob> jesus now jelly was hilighted
3986[20:32:27] <jelly> no i wasn't!
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3989[20:33:00] <teraflops> missmbob: your irc client is officially borked
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3991[20:33:21] <missmbob> teraflops: it's irssi from jessie-backports :(
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3993[20:33:38] <jelly> get a decent client, like hexchat :-D
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3995[20:33:43] <missmbob> heh
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3997[20:33:51] <fredl> 'lo
3998[20:33:51] <teraflops> I do weechat from backports it works like a dream :P
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4001[20:34:25] <jmcnaught> missmbob: irssi from jessie here. are you using any scripts like nickcolor.pl?
4002[20:34:33] <fredl> does postfix on Jessie *always* run chrooted, regardless of what's in master.cf ?
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4004[20:35:11] <missmbob> jmcnaught: adv_windowlist.pl decurler.pl scriptassist.pl smartfilter.pl
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4006[20:35:25] <jelly> fredl: no
4007[20:35:33] <fredl> hmm, tnx
4008[20:36:06] <jelly> that'd be kind of insane
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4010[20:36:24] <fredl> it would be yeah
4011[20:36:39] <fredl> But I've read on several sources that chroot postfix is default on Debian
4012[20:36:51] <jelly> once you fix your master.cf it stays fixed
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4014[20:36:55] <fredl> And as I don't see a 'y' in main.cf I was wondering
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4017[20:37:10] <jelly> you wouldn't see it in main.cf, no :-)
4018[20:37:30] <fredl> well master.cf
4019[20:37:36] <fredl> schmuck :P
4020[20:37:41] <fredl> I keep confusing the two
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4023[20:38:15] <jelly> the meaning of "default" should be sufficiently clear
4024[20:38:23] <jelly> usually a default can be CHANGED
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4026[20:38:51] <fredl> yeah but my master.cf is unchanged, well at least that line I believe
4027[20:39:27] <fredl> but perhaps I'm hallucinating. At least I have a '-' under chroot there now
4028[20:39:31] <jelly> smtp unix - - y - - smtp # debian's silly default, for that and two dozen other postfix services
4029[20:39:47] <jelly> - means (yes)
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4031[20:39:57] <fredl> ah!
4032[20:40:03] <jelly> see the comment above
4033[20:40:05] <fredl> okay so then it IS chroot
4034[20:40:09] <fredl> yeah I gotcha
4035[20:41:00] <fredl> Good then at least I haven't added an /etc/default/saslauthd-postfix for no reason whatsoever :)
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4037[20:41:52] <jelly> or change /etc/default/saslauthd from the default
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4039[20:42:08] <jelly> or use the slightly saner dovecot SASL instead of cyrus SASL
4040[20:42:09] <fredl> So... am I right that to make the new instance of saslauthd listen to postfix, I need to put NAME="smtpd" in there?
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4042[20:42:24] <jelly> dunno about "other instance", sorry
4043[20:42:41] <jelly> I either have one saslauthd or none and use dovecot
4044[20:43:20] <fredl> I'm not sure if it's called Cyrus or dovcot SASL jelly.... /etc/default/saslauthd is in sasl2-bin package
4045[20:43:28] <jelly> that's cyrus sasl
4046[20:43:53] <fredl> ok
4047[20:44:02] <jelly> apt-cache show sasl2-bin|grep Source
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4049[20:44:26] <fredl> So dovecot is actually *simple* as the first S in SASL implies? :D
4050[20:44:35] <fredl> well dovecot SASL
4051[20:44:49] <fredl> because I don't find Cyrus sasl simple at ALL
4052[20:44:58] <jelly> not really, but if you already have dovecot up and running and auth'ing it's easy enough
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4054[20:45:14] <fredl> dovecot is imap isn't it?
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4056[20:45:30] <fredl> I have courier imap now
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4059[20:45:49] <fredl> don't ask me why, think it's a remnant of using Exim
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4061[20:46:49] <fredl> I've been trying to stay away from migrating that as well as my IMAP server seems to be the only thing reliably working right now :P
4062[20:47:01] <fredl> well of mail, that is
4063[20:47:26] <fredl> jelly - you know postfixadmin ?
4064[20:47:27] <jelly> dovecot is pop3, imap and some internal things
4065[20:47:30] <jelly> no
4066[20:47:35] <fredl> oh...
4067[20:47:38] <jelly> i AM a postfix admin
4068[20:47:40] * jelly hides
4069[20:47:45] <fredl> hah
4070[20:47:52] <teraflops> jelly: my condolences :P
4071[20:47:52] <fredl> well
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4073[20:48:06] <missmbob> teraflops: really? that's what i use, too. i like it
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4075[20:48:13] <teraflops> not for postfix itself
4076[20:48:17] <jelly> teraflops: no, it's great compared to what was there before
4077[20:48:19] <missmbob> heh
4078[20:48:20] <teraflops> just email is a pain in the ass
4079[20:48:25] <fredl> postfixadmin is so so, it makes adding users to domains etc. easier for people who just wanna control their own domain
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4083[20:49:04] <teraflops> well I do postfix + dovecot too
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4085[20:49:18] <fredl> but I'd like to know if I can make dovecot and dovecot SASL use those authentications in mysql database succesfully
4086[20:49:38] <fredl> well fuckit, I'll go try out dovecot :)
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4088[20:50:01] * jelly points fredl to wiki2.dovecot.org and #dovecot
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4090[20:50:23] <fredl> I just think it's a really weird name
4091[20:50:26] <fredl> 'dovecot'
4092[20:50:30] <jelly> courier isn't bad either I hear
4093[20:50:50] <fredl> well courier uses authdaemon for authentication
4094[20:51:11] <fredl> so I dunno, isn't running both authdaemon and saslauthd a bit.... overkill?
4095[20:51:13] <jelly> because homing pigeons and mail.
4096[20:51:17] <jelly> I guess
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4101[20:52:27] <fredl> hmm I don't see a dovecot-sasl
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4104[20:52:37] <fredl> part of dovecot-core?
4105[20:53:02] <jelly> its auth service probably is, yes
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4166[21:20:51] <crazythings> jelly: ...... [4:304] -A OUTPUT -p udp -m owner --uid-owner 0 -m udp --dport 123 -m conntrack --ctstate NEW -j ACCEPT
4167[21:21:10] <crazythings> jelly: as i thought root is opening the ntp lines instead of ntp user. cool why?
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4170[21:21:42] <crazythings> we ha have a ntp daemon that run as a dedicated user but is using root to do networking...
4171[21:21:53] <crazythings> could it be a bug?
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4174[21:23:20] <greycat> Most likely it's using root because it's binding to a privileged (< 1024) port number.
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4176[21:23:44] <greycat> But I'm not very strong in network programming, so ...
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4181[21:26:06] <khronos> Hi guys.
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4185[21:27:09] <khronos> I'm trying to setup a local mirror for my internal network with debmirror. I have the main parts of the archive I want but am having trouble getting the security updates portion.
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4225[21:40:05] <forgotmynick> would this work? replaced-url
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4250[21:51:44] <CtrlC> What's the best way to get java 8 on debian?
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4258[21:53:46] <TomTomTo1> using openjdk-8-jre from jessie-backports
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4268[21:56:19] <CtrlC> Thanks.
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4279[21:59:00] <stemid> just installed debian 8.1 and I habitually set blank root password and use sudo. but this time sudo is rc in dpkg -l and even though default sshd_config says PermitRootLogin without-password I cannot login with root. so I'm stuck. is rc for sudo an issue noted by others at first install? the sudo binary is missing but /etc/sudoers is there.
4280[21:59:17] <missmbob> i feel less stupid. #irssi doesn't know wtf either.
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4283[21:59:58] <jelly> stemid: why 8.1 when 8.6 install images are there?
4284[22:00:03] <greycat> The only way to get a package into "rc" state is to install it and then remove it.
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4287[22:00:20] <jelly> could be a solved bug with the installer, I guess
4288[22:00:34] <greycat> sudo isn't even installed by default...
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4292[22:00:47] <jelly> actually, it depends
4293[22:00:59] <greycat> I suppose there are some optional tasks that could bring it in.
4294[22:01:00] <stemid> jelly: it was the iso I had available. but you're right, could be an old bug.
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4296[22:01:29] <missmbob> greycat: i'm pretty sure sudo is default when you don't enter a root password in the installer
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4298[22:01:43] <jelly> greycat: I _think_ if you intentionally use an empty password when d-i asks for root password, it installs sudo and puts the user into sudo group
4299[22:01:43] <greycat> I didn't even know you could do that.
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4301[22:02:11] <jelly> because someone thought implicit actions are neat
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4309[22:04:02] <rainfyre> hey folks. wondering what the correct way to start service is these days. /etc/init.d/whatever service start or just service whatever start or invoke-rc.d service start or ......
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4315[22:04:20] <greycat> If you're on jessie, systemctl start is preferred.
4316[22:04:30] <rainfyre> lmao none of the above. thank you
4317[22:04:37] <rainfyre> i'm sort of on stretch
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4319[22:04:55] <jelly> then you're sort of not on jessie
4320[22:05:02] <rainfyre> ah. right.
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4322[22:05:22] <jelly> "service" will work regardless of the init system in place
4323[22:05:34] <rainfyre> depends which box i'm on. stretch atm.
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4325[22:05:54] <rainfyre> ok jelly thank you
4326[22:05:57] <rainfyre> that's what i'm used to
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4328[22:06:15] <jelly> but if you switched to systemd you might as well learn the native stuff
4329[22:06:22] <missmbob> jmcnaught: are you using irssi from backports or proper jessie?
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4331[22:07:05] <rainfyre> alright
4332[22:07:13] <rainfyre> i'm running systemd here
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4338[22:09:46] <babilen> systemctl it is then
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4345[22:10:39] <rainfyre> thank you babilen
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4349[22:12:06] <rainfyre> babilen: 'systmctl tor start' returns 'Unknown operation tor.'
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4351[22:12:30] <greycat> systemctl start tor
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4354[22:14:26] <rainfyre> thank you greycat
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4360[22:15:20] <CtrlC> I did a sudo apt-get -t jessie-backports install openjdk-8-jre and now java -version says: java version "1.7.0_111". How to get 1.8?
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4362[22:15:59] <greycat> service puts the verb last because it's German... wait, I mean, because it mimics "/etc/init.d/scriptname start"
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4364[22:16:20] <greycat> systemctl puts the the verb first because it's a command with a subcommand
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4366[22:17:23] <missmbob> yay new curly.pl
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4372[22:18:30] <greycat> Are other people actually *using* my curly.pl script? I didn't think any of the rest of you were on Latin-1 systems.
4373[22:18:40] <missmbob> i do :P
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4385[22:23:17] <TomTomTo1> CtrlC: oh, i forgot. i think you have to run update-alternatives --config java and select which version the /usr/bin/java symlink should point to.
4386[22:24:05] <babilen> update-java-alternatives
4387[22:24:54] <CtrlC> TomTomTo1, nanobit Thanks
4388[22:24:58] <CtrlC> babilen*
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4450[22:52:01] <bolt_> E: Release file for replaced-url
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4453[22:52:51] <TomTomTo1> pick a different mirror or wait till they update it ^^
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4468[22:58:56] <DammitJim> will logrotate by default check the file size (if I defined size) every day for a weekly rotation?
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4527[23:14:50] <leafwiz___> can you only use dwm from a xorg server?
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4852[23:24:35] <leafwiz___> nkuttler: My goal is to run dmw when I run startx :)
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4868[23:25:24] <nkuttler> leafwiz___: that usually implies running xorg
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4871[23:25:30] <nkuttler> dpkg: xsession
4872[23:25:30] <dpkg> hmm... xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession'
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4879[23:25:41] <nkuttler> leafwiz___: just exec <yourwm> in there, on the last line
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4882[23:25:54] <nkuttler> (assuming you pick an xorg session in your dm)
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4887[23:26:50] <nkuttler> that init the factoid looks a little odd though
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4928[23:28:48] <arvind> Guys
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4939[23:29:52] <arvind> I am interested in compiling the debian-kernel in jessie 3.16.0-4. After executing apt-get soruce how do I make sure the patches from debian dir are applied?
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4945[23:30:22] <missmbob> arvind: have you read the debian kernel handbook?
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4948[23:30:46] <missmbob> arvind: replaced-url
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4951[23:31:17] <arvind> hi missmbob thanks for the link
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5002[23:51:57] <vagrus> how much is https or ftp used by apt today / by the repos one would usually pull packages from?
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5005[23:52:20] <vagrus> And for https, packages got their own cryptographic mechanism, right? (secure apt) - so https is more or less just a nice candy
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5008[23:53:17] <arvind> missmbob, i have not seen the answer to my question in the manual. It is a good reference for the future
5009[23:54:18] <missmbob> arvind: if you follow the manual the patches will automatically be applied
5010[23:54:50] <missmbob> vagrus: https is rare. the only one off the top of my head is kernel.org
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5019[23:57:51] <L72g5sSq> Anyone use dh-virtualenv? Any good?
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