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45 [00:26:43] <yareckon> night all
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80 [00:44:36] <excognac> hi all, I'm trying to install a jessie 8.5 based distro, created usb drive with dd but it wouldn't boot in UEFI. If I run it live and install alongside my current distro (efi manjaro) will it be uefi too?
81 [00:45:17] <velix> Hell. uWSGI is pretty loggy... 120 MB logfile in 1 hour :)
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136 [01:11:16] <GreenObsession> ADubhlaoich, kids on fire in #DataHoarder it exploded, bring you friends to marvel at the spectacle
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160 [01:24:37] <velix> Seems like I've found a bug in Debian.
161 [01:24:41] <velix> eeeh a package ;)
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164 [01:25:05] * dvs gasps
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167 [01:25:49] <velix> Anyone wanna have it? I'm too lazy to write a bugreport.
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178 [01:30:42] <OerHeks> velix, why write here and not to a bugreport?
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226 [01:55:36] <FaTony> hi, I'm trying to configure sudo, I've added "Defaults rootpw" but synaptic asks for my personal password
227 [01:55:49] <FaTony> I want sudo with only root password
228 [01:57:52] <dvs> That makes no sense. Why don't you use su ?
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234 [01:59:01] <FaTony> I had a program that hard coded sudo in install script
235 [01:59:18] <FaTony> I guess I can disable sudo like it's in default
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600 [05:02:21] <visitante|79842> apt-get install -y sqlite && echo yes Will only echo yes if sqlite was succesfully installed ?
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604 [05:03:22] <sandman13> No
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607 [05:04:23] <OerHeks> visitante|79842, yes, && waits for the 1st command to finish
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611 [05:07:19] <jmcnaught> visitante|79842: the command after && only executes if the first command was successful. It's a logical and, which means if the first part fails the second part doesn't need to be evaluated
612 [05:07:42] <habs> How can I install Debian with an encrypted root filesystem? I have Libreboot installed on this computer, so even having /boot encrypted should be OK, but Debian tells me "Encryption configuration failure: You have selected the root file system to be stored on an encrypted partition." How can I bypass this check?
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615 [05:09:10] <RoyK> OerHeks: && != ;
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618 [05:09:35] <sandman13> Ignore my comment. Got it messed up :(
619 [05:09:52] <jmcnaught> habs: try using the guided partitioning encrypted LVM to see how the installer wants to configure it, and tweak it manually from there. the debian installer does not support encrypted /boot, but if you think the effort is worth it then you can configure this after the first boot
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622 [05:10:35] <sandman13> habs: On Debian, you need to have separate unencrypted /boot partition
623 [05:11:09] <RoyK> use a usb pen for /boot if you're nervous
624 [05:11:25] <habs> sandman13: Not in previous versions of Debian (without this check) if the BIOS could unencrypt /boot by itself: replaced-url
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627 [05:12:30] <AlexLikeRock> or SURPER GRUB habs
628 [05:12:42] <AlexLikeRock> iso
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631 [05:15:02] <jmcnaught> encrypted /boot isn't needed by most people by the way. unencrypted /boot still protects you against computer getting lost or stolen, the data is protected
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633 [05:16:11] <jmcnaught> you only need encrypted /boot if you think you are at risk of your computer being compromised. and even with encrypted /boot, you're still vulnerable if an attacker gets physical access
634 [05:16:11] <Halvy> Hiya.. I'm Halvy =:]
635 [05:16:58] <sandman13> Best bait is to load /boot on separate device like USB flash drive
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637 [05:18:03] <Halvy> how is he vulnerable, if the attacker does not have the passkeys..
638 [05:18:51] <Halvy> brb.. gota gets some tea :)
639 [05:19:06] <sandman13> I have tried installing Debian with encrypted /boot but initramfs didn't like it. I might have been doing wrong as I do not know how exactly it works
640 [05:19:50] <RoyK> jmcnaught: how would an attacker do that?
641 [05:20:19] <RoyK> as in circumventing the encryption of /boot?
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644 [05:21:38] <jmcnaught> RoyK: installing a hardware keylogger for example. or simply gaining access to the computer while it is powered on and the disks are unlocked, which again i don't think is applicable for the majority of uses cases
645 [05:23:08] <RoyK> keylogger, of course...
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647 [05:24:16] <RoyK> but the latter doesn't matter much for physical access - althogh it's more likely than someone breaking int your laptop and installing something nasty in it
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649 [05:25:12] <RoyK> I guess traditional encryption of the data will do well for most of us
650 [05:25:54] <jmcnaught> sure, but other than someone breaking into your laptop and modifying your kernel, i don't see what encrypted /boot really gains you. I'm not saying people shouldn't use it, just that it's not really a shortcoming that Debian doesn't do it yet
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654 [05:28:05] <sandman13> jmcnaught: It's called being too paranoid.
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657 [05:29:09] <jmcnaught> sandman13: some people could definitely benefit from it, i just recommend that people consider the attack vectors they're trying to protect against, and focus on the ones that are real (for them)
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659 [05:31:08] <sandman13> jmcnaught: You are right.
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675 [05:42:07] <Halvy> you're only tooo paranoid, if it interferes with your day-to-day duties. keyloggers can be detected.. and protected AGAINST.
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677 [05:43:18] <Halvy> study distros and devs who specialize in what you are trying to do.. learning inatrm should not be that difficult.. just time comsuming.
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679 [05:44:19] <bugzc> Hi. I upgraded cinnamon on a debian jessie box from 2.x to 3.0.4-2 from backports. Now when I try to mount a disk with gnome-disks, the auth window shows for a split second, then it disappears and I get an auth error from gnome-disks. Anything I'm missing here?
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683 [05:45:39] <Halvy> can u mount manually-- still
684 [05:45:59] <bugzc> yes i can mount manually and i can mount if i run gnome-disks as root
685 [05:46:03] <Halvy> backports=flueky
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688 [05:46:54] <Halvy> make sure it's the same version that your main sys is. .. your backport progs, that is... ie, wheezy should be the backports you dl, if your main sys is wheezy
689 [05:47:01] <bugzc> yes but cinnamon 2.x had a lot of stability issues due to a bug that got fixed in the backported package. it would freeze up on me randomly and it was driving me insane for the past year, until I finally upgraded.
690 [05:47:36] <bugzc> it's the right backports repo and ive installed other packages from it before, so that much is correct
691 [05:48:15] <Halvy> sorry if i'm sounding condescending.. i don't know what you know.. so i am just throwing out the first things i would look for..
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693 [05:48:30] <bugzc> oh no, i appreciate it :)
694 [05:48:44] <Halvy> yea.. cinnamon is awesome.. WHEN it works.
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696 [05:48:56] <bugzc> i was thinking maybe the authenticator needs upgrading too. But I am not sure what package it is
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698 [05:50:09] <jmcnaught> bugzc: are you able to mount using udisksctl as user (not root)? "udisksctl mount --block-device /dev/sdX"
699 [05:51:35] <bugzc> jmcnaught: nope. same auth window shows for a split second and disappears, then it says Not authorized to perform operation
700 [05:52:13] <bugzc> also says GDBus.Erorr which maybe helps narrow it down
701 [05:52:47] <Halvy> smells like permissions... unless u have sysdumb
702 [05:53:00] <bugzc> you mean systemd?
703 [05:53:06] <Halvy> lol
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705 [05:54:08] <Halvy> yea.. did u hear that fedora and friends are having major probs.. on the last upgrade. system crashes in the middle of upgrade..and doesn't come back!!
706 [05:54:50] <bugzc> oh im sure systemd is the root of all evil
707 [05:54:54] <sandman13> You need to have polkit iirc
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710 [05:55:19] <Halvy> no.. just the 'love of it'...;)
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714 [05:56:00] <bugzc> there is girl.20polkit-1.0 on the system
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717 [05:56:22] <sandman13> bugzc: gnome-polkit?
718 [05:56:52] <bugzc> sandman13: nope and no such package in the repos
719 [05:57:01] <sandman13> bugzc: Wait
720 [05:58:08] <sandman13> bugzc: Check if this exists: /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1
721 [05:58:26] <sandman13> check if it's running
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725 [05:58:59] <bugzc> it exists
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728 [05:59:17] <bugzc> looks like it's running too
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733 [06:00:24] <sandman13> Open two terminals. One one: run /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 and on another try that udisksctl command
734 [06:01:43] <bugzc> it wont run. says an authentication agent already exists for the given subject
735 [06:01:57] <sandman13> Oh
736 [06:02:04] <sandman13> BTW this is the package: policykit-1-gnome
737 [06:03:25] <bugzc> hmm i see the package installed and it's at version 0.105-2 and nothing newer in backports
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741 [06:05:04] <bugzc> does it make sense to kill it and try to start it again from the terminal?
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743 [06:06:49] <bugzc> this is weird because it does show the window that would previously allow me to authenticate, but it disappears right away
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746 [06:11:07] <sandman13> bugzc: Can you try running "udisksctl" on tty and report me back?
747 [06:12:22] <Halvy> looks like your good hands bugz.. take care, good nite everyone..:)
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749 [06:13:06] <Halvy> in good hands.. i meant!
750 [06:13:26] <jmcnaught> bugzc: if you run "loginctl user-status $USER" what does "State:" say?
751 [06:14:21] <bugzc> good night Halvy
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754 [06:15:09] <bugzc> jmcnaught: what should i be looking for in the output? it's quite the list
755 [06:15:50] <jmcnaught> bugzc: "State: " on line three
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757 [06:16:15] <bugzc> oh whoops, missed that part. State says active
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765 [06:19:20] <jmcnaught> bugzc: The default udisks2 policykit policy is here: /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.udisks2.policy. Don't edit this file, but look to see what it defines. Read "man pklocalauthority" to see how to make overrides in /etc.
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769 [06:20:13] <jmcnaught> bugzc: looking at "journalctl -u udisks2 -u polkitd" to see logs for those two services.
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773 [06:21:24] <jmcnaught> bugzc: "udisksctl monitor" also provides a lot of information, check for errors in these places first. "journalctl -f" to follow the journal live
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776 [06:23:14] <bugzc> jmcnaught: I see a bunch of authentication failure errors from polkitd. nothing that looks like errors from udisksd
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790 [06:30:29] <habs> jmcnaught: So if I just did guided encrypted LVM partitioning, how would you recommend tweaking it after installation? Is it possible to do with just the d-i bootable USB, or do I need to burn a separate GParted ISO or similar?
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795 [06:32:13] <jmcnaught> habs: i've never attempted encrypted /boot but i know there are guides out there. i hesitate to recommend following tutorials without first reading the man pages for everything the tutorial covers. You might be able to do it from an installer image, but that's busybox, a live disk would be more comfortable
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798 [06:32:38] <jmcnaught> unfortunately Debian live images do not support UEFI booting
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801 [06:33:34] <bugzc> jmcnaught: I ran journalctl -f and it's reporting javascript errors and other things.. gonna pastebin it
802 [06:34:24] <jmcnaught> habs: actually you'd probably be able to do it from a chroot booting from a debian installer image, but the busybox you'd be using outside of the chroot is fairly restricted
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806 [06:37:41] <bugzc> jmcnaught: this is the output pastebin.com/PH2MeX36
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815 [06:43:38] <jmcnaught> bugzc: see the action org.freedesktop.udisks2.filesystem-mount-system? You could try making a PKLA file in /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/ that gives your user "ResultActive=yes" permission (instead of the default auth_admin_keep)
816 [06:43:54] <jmcnaught> bugzc: have you looked for bugs on replaced-url
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822 [06:45:40] <bugzc> jmcnaught: it's much easier to just run gnome-disks as root if i were to ignore the auth window blowing up. i have not looked at bugs.debian.org but i dont recall apt-get showing anything out of place when i was upgrading cinnamon (i have it set to warn about serious bugs)
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824 [06:46:58] <jmcnaught> bugzc: with a 5 line file you can solve the problem without having to run GUI programs as root, it shows how in the pklocalauthority man page
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826 [06:47:37] <jak2000> how to check if port 53 is open ?
827 [06:47:44] <bugzc> jmcnaught: i get it, but i suspect this auth problem is not particular to gnome-disks. that's my concern
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836 [06:52:16] <latemus> netstat -ntul |grep 53
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841 [06:57:08] <jmcnaught> !ops spam
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855 [07:03:42] <bugzc> jmcnaught: as i suspected, it looks like gparted is affected as well. anything that asks for auth seems to be broken.
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857 [07:04:51] <jmcnaught> bugzc: that sucks. is there a common error?
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860 [07:06:49] <bugzc> jmcnaught: the js errors and auth errors from polkitd
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867 [07:08:29] <bugzc> jmcnaught: replaced-url
868 [07:08:40] <bugzc> this is trying to start gparted as user
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884 [07:16:38] <jmcnaught> bugzc: "polkit-agent-helper-1[26090]: inappropriate use of helper, wrong number of arguments [uid=1000]" any luck searching for bugs that mention this error?
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892 [07:18:56] <habs> jmcnaught: So I installed Debian successfully, then I made the necessary changes which just involved copying /boot over to the / partition, renaming the logical volume group and one of the logical volumes, and editing /etc/fstab to reflect this. However Debian now says "Volume group <old volume name> not found", meaning there is still some reference to the old volume name. Where is this reference and how can
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894 [07:18:59] <habs> I remove it?
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896 [07:20:00] <bugzc> jmcnaught: not really. can't find anything related
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900 [07:23:40] <jmcnaught> bugzc: 26090 is a PID, remove it from your search
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902 [07:24:29] <bugzc> jmcnaught: i did :p
903 [07:25:30] <bugzc> all i was able to find was an unrelated bug and a bunch of github pages with polkit source (as the error message is embedded into the package source code.)
904 [07:25:41] <jmcnaught> habs: it says that on my system too, before decryption happens. The volume group is on the encrypted volume, and cannot be read until it's unlocked
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907 [07:26:55] <jmcnaught> bugzc: do you have another desktop installed to test this? I'm not sure if cinnamon's privilege escalation dialogues are unique or not
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912 [07:27:42] <bugzc> jmcnaught: i could set up a vm
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915 [07:29:10] <Guest77033> hi if I am installing for the first time with an .iso on a stick and need to put a driver, from realtek such as ret2180.bin to allow it to work with the wifi adaptger, where can I or should I place the driver?
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920 [07:30:48] <Guest77033> sorry rta2187.bin
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923 [07:31:21] <habs> jmcnaught: I can't boot the system now even after decryption though -- I get "Unable to find LVM volume <old root volume name>" and then
924 [07:31:55] <habs> "Gave up waiting for root device. /dev/mapper/<old root volume name> does not exist. Dropping to a shell!"
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926 [07:32:35] <dunderproto> is there a good client for searching through mailing lists?
927 [07:32:50] <habs> jmcnaught: I changed the /boot/grub/grub.cfg as well as the /etc/fstab -- what else needs to be changed? Do I need to rebuild the kernel initramfs?
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935 [07:37:07] <jmcnaught> habs: as i said before, i've never attempted encrypted /boot
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974 [08:01:57] <latemus> jmcnaught: is that possible?
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977 [08:02:08] <Drzacek> Hi
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980 [08:02:59] <Drzacek> I'm logged via ssh to a debian machine. How do I find out, which desktop environment is installed? It is not kde. I want to install kde and remove the other one
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994 [08:07:25] <Anselmo> Drzacek: well, you can look around for avaliable commands,
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996 [08:07:48] <Anselmo> if you have, say, xfce4 commands, you can bet that's whats installed
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1001 [08:11:19] <Drzacek> Anselmo, and examples of xfce4 commands are?
1002 [08:11:53] <Drzacek> xfconf-something?
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1004 [08:11:59] <Anselmo> pretty much
1005 [08:12:09] <Drzacek> ok, ok
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1007 [08:12:43] <Drzacek> if I have kdm installed, the correct way to get sddm is to apt-get remove kdm and then install sddm?
1008 [08:13:53] <Drzacek> ok, so it's not xfce
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1011 [08:14:40] <Anselmo> humm
1012 [08:14:51] <Anselmo> there's probably a way to check like with apt
1013 [08:14:58] <Anselmo> but I alas do not know it. . .
1014 [08:15:10] <Anselmo> as far as the DM's, that's what I would try
1015 [08:15:26] <Anselmo> but I very seldom use those at all, so I cannot be a good source of advice
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1021 [08:18:53] <Drzacek> Anselmo, I see
1022 [08:19:04] <Anselmo> (sorry)
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1024 [08:19:35] <Drzacek> well, I feel adventurous today
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1026 [08:20:12] <Anselmo> hehe
1027 [08:20:57] <Drzacek> I could always go to other building and install it again
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1033 [08:22:15] <Drzacek> hmmm, whats the default desktop environment in debian, when no gnome/kde/lxde/xfce is chosen?
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1038 [08:24:07] <Anselmo> thats the 'debian desktop environemnt' on the netinst CD
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1097 [08:49:38] <bombom> Ciao a tutti :)
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1111 [08:55:22] <Drzacek> Mahe, thanks
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1256 [09:57:13] <ongy> I noticed the wget version in debian installer does not support https. Is that on purpose (size?)? And does an easy way to replace it exist? (I am modfying the CD either way)
1257 [09:57:22] <mi11k1> try aria2
1258 [09:57:36] <mi11k1> or curl
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1265 [10:02:21] <ongy> which both are not included in the installer. But thanks for trying
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1270 [10:04:39] <jelly-home> ongy: it's not really wget, it's busybox posing as.
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1272 [10:05:43] <ongy> that makes the preseeding really unsafe if I want to deliver the file from my webserver :(
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1291 [10:16:19] <vincenet> hello, I have a 64 bit machine and I met problem to compile a 32 bit app for wine. As the computer will be only used for this app 32 bit, can I install a 32 bit version of debian ?
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1298 [10:18:38] <ongy> there's 32bit versions of debian for x86. They will come with the usual 32bit system limitations (memory limits)
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1311 [10:21:00] <Mahe> vincenet: are you compiling within wine?
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1315 [10:23:23] <vincenet> winegcc
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1320 [10:27:28] <Mahe> vincenet: you could create a 32bit chroot but that would require a lot of effort I guess. In your case it might indeed be best to switch to a 32bit release of debian if it's the sole purpose of this machine.
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1324 [10:28:02] <vincenet> ok thks I am going to try
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1328 [10:28:23] <Xinny> hey does anyone know if by default debian 8 is touch capable?
1329 [10:28:38] <Algebr> The debian wiki on openvpn seems to be outdated because aptitude isntall openvpn doesn't actually give the openvpn binary
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1331 [10:29:06] <rania> hi all
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1335 [10:29:48] <Mahe> Xinny: depends on you hardware. If your touchscreen hardware is supported, it should be 'touch capable' for you. The standard DE is Gnome - which is touch-friendly by design.
1336 [10:30:15] <Xinny> Mahe, hm, what about stuff like screen rotation by sensor etc
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1338 [10:30:28] <Xinny> same thing id guess eh
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1342 [10:30:36] <Xinny> its all very standard ultrabook style hardware
1343 [10:30:46] <Xinny> so id imagine it would have good support
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1346 [10:32:54] <Mahe> Xinny: check replaced-url
1347 [10:33:22] <Mahe> Xinny: it provides auto-rotation but only works for Gnome 3.18 and up - unfortunately Debian 8 still uses 3.14
1348 [10:33:33] <Xinny> thats ok I can always update
1349 [10:33:39] <Xinny> I have a lot of hackery to be done
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1351 [10:33:51] <Xinny> I was curious though if ubuntu might have better native support for such things in unity
1352 [10:34:00] <Xinny> given their aims to make tablets/phones etc
1353 [10:34:08] <Mahe> Xinny: I also recommend you to use jessie-backports and upgrade to a 4.X kernel on such device when using Debian 8
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1355 [10:37:01] <cruncher> Algebr, of course it does
1356 [10:37:23] <Algebr> cruncher: okay, I just installed it and the openvpn binary was not provided
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1358 [10:37:43] <Algebr> on jessie
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1360 [10:38:03] <cruncher> Algebr, maybe you tried as normal user? its in /usr/sbin
1361 [10:39:00] <Algebr> cruncher: ah, that's right, interesting that its installed there
1362 [10:39:06] <Xinny> Mahe, I really want to make it super cut down
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1364 [10:39:44] <Xinny> its for a convertable tablety thing and I want to give it max battery life with only certain features available
1365 [10:39:51] <Xinny> like the main thing is chromium
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1373 [10:43:44] <giany_> hi, is there a way to add a /27 range without having to create an entry for each of the 31 ips?
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1391 [10:50:28] <ongy> adding? You want all of them as local IPs?
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1607 [10:59:11] <phre4k> hi guys, I use LVM encrypted Debian Testing and just upgraded libc6, now my display manager loops on bootup. I can't hit C+A+F4 to get in another shell and when I use the recovery kernel I get an error message about root having a password and it continues to boot. Can I supply the password somewhere (boot manager?) or disable lightdm's restarting without resorting to SSD removal?
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1612 [11:00:08] <phre4k> to be more precise, when I get into a shell with C+A+F4 it drops me right back to the X11/display manager loop
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1662 [11:06:19] <giany> ongy: yes
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1666 [11:06:57] <giany> ongy: on rhel systems I create a ifcfg-rangeX where I put the range that I want then it adds automatically those ips
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1669 [11:08:14] <jelly-home> giany: you can put a shell for loop into an up line in interfaces(5)
1670 [11:08:23] <jelly-home> ugly but works
1671 [11:09:00] <jelly-home> and less ugly than adding 29 old-style aliases
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1691 [11:18:37] <XinZhao> installing on a uefi system I should just use the windows 10 boot loader right?
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1693 [11:18:42] <XinZhao> instead of grub or whatever
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1695 [11:19:07] <XinZhao> I seem to remember that being a good idea unless you just wanted linux
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1730 [11:38:34] <phre4k> <phre4k> hi guys, I use LVM encrypted Debian Testing and just upgraded libc6, now my display manager loops on bootup. When I get into a shell with C+A+F4 it drops me right back to the X11/display manager loop and when I use the recovery kernel I get an error message about root having a password and it continues to boot. Can I supply the password somewhere (boot manager?) or disable lightdm's restarting without resorting to SSD removal?
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1733 [11:40:08] <cast> interactively edit at the grub menu and boot without starting x, then adjust your config as you wish
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1738 [11:40:44] <M4he> phre4k: you should go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net - this chat is primarily for stable (jessie)
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1752 [11:48:16] <phre4k> M4he: ty
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1783 [12:02:14] <XinZhao> if I have two OS's on one pc
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1785 [12:02:27] <XinZhao> hm never mind
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1793 [12:08:28] <JyZyXEL> 2016-11-05: Transition freeze (general freeze of transitions) <- what does that actually mean?
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1868 [12:43:19] <petn-randall> JyZyXEL: aka library freeze. Any library updates (e.g. libc6, Perl, whatever) have to be through by then.
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1873 [12:45:30] <themill> !transition
1874 [12:45:31] <dpkg> A transition occurs when changes in a package require alterations to several other packages which depend on it. To do this, many packages using the package are updated, either being recompiled or updated to a new version; packages blocking a transition might be removed from <testing> so it can complete. Transitions can become very large and complex, involving tens or even hundreds of packages. replaced-url
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1879 [12:45:52] <JyZyXEL> petn-randall: ah, so then the "Soft freeze" is the one where software packages are frozen to their current versions
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1903 [12:54:29] <innerand> What is responsible for the /dev/disk/by-uuid/ links?
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1918 [13:00:09] <troffasky> udev probably
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1924 [13:03:21] <innerand> ok, ty troffasky
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1929 [13:04:44] <hron84> Hi! Can I ask here about debian packaging questions or there's a dedicated channel for them?
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1933 [13:06:32] <ksk> hron84: you can ask here imho.
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1935 [13:07:51] <hron84> Cool. I'm building a binary package from a binary-distributed 3rdparty package just for me (not planning for sending to upstream or anything). I have a problem with dh_strip I wanna exclude specific files from processing.
1936 [13:08:32] <hron84> Technically, I'm on Ubuntu Trusty, but I think it's a distro-independent problem.
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1938 [13:08:39] <hron84> debian/compat set to 9
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1949 [13:15:15] <Fyr> guys, how to update a package? I don't want to upgrade the whole system. =/
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1952 [13:16:48] <jelly-home> Fyr: update which package from what to what?
1953 [13:17:15] <Fyr> jelly-home, from the current state to the final version.
1954 [13:17:19] <jelly-home> keeping your system patched up is good practice
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1956 [13:17:33] <jelly-home> Fyr: which debian release and package and package version are you talking about?
1957 [13:17:40] <Fyr> jelly-home, sometimes updates ruin the entire system.
1958 [13:17:44] <Fyr> Jessie
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1961 [13:18:03] <Fyr> the package - qbittorrent-nox.
1962 [13:18:15] <Fyr> what command should I type to update the package?
1963 [13:18:27] <jelly-home> Fyr: which package version do you have installed?
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1968 [13:19:57] <jelly-home> Fyr: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy qbittorrent-nox"
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1970 [13:21:14] <hron84> Fyr: if you want just the easiest solution and do not plan to script this action, use aptitude. It's a CLI tool, you can select specific version of a package for upgrade
1971 [13:21:45] <Fyr> thanks
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1973 [13:22:00] <pery> i just install a linux distro based on debian but it wasnt seem on grub screen im using ubuntu now how can i add this on grub ?
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1976 [13:23:00] <Shani> One of the long time opensource contributor, Miles Sharpe (IRC NICK : Kilos) need your help and donations, please read the full story and help him, replaced-url
1977 [13:23:35] <jelly-home> Fyr: do not, however, attempt installing a version from a debian branch newer than jessie, that is likely to fuck up your system
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1979 [13:24:41] <innerand> pery: did you try 'sudo update-grub'?
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1990 [13:30:36] <ksk> Hola. Im looking for a really basic way to do some things in parallel, comparable to using xargs on bash - like I have a queue/list and want it do "work" on two entries at a time, take the next if one is done and so on. can you point me to something please? many thanks!
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1993 [13:30:45] <ksk> oh, wrong channel, ignore that please :)
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1996 [13:33:04] <endstille> hey, can you tell me, how i can install / activate mod_perl for apache2.4 in debian jessie? it seems to be unavailable in my test-vm :(
1997 [13:33:22] <endstille> libapache2-mod-perl2 is already installed
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2002 [13:35:39] <zero85> endstille: mod_perl activated in config?
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2007 [13:36:34] <endstille> zero85: sorry, i'm newbie in webserver ;) is there a bash-command to activate it?
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2009 [13:37:19] <zero85> endstille: Nope, there is a config, in the config file are some lines where mods are loaded, you have to uncomment the line for mod_perl and restart apache
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2011 [13:38:20] <zero85> endstille: should be something like #LoadModule xxxxx modules/mod_perl.so and you have to remove the #
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2013 [13:38:36] <endstille> ah i have /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/perl.load and it containes LoadModule perl_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_perl.so
2014 [13:39:10] <endstille> okay, everything looks fine here. guess, the application i try to run is doing something strange...
2015 [13:39:14] <endstille> thanks for your help!
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2020 [13:41:16] <zero85> endstille: np
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2049 [14:00:17] <Tachyon`> Hi. Back in the distant past when dinosaurs roamed the earth and 8MiB was a lot of RAM I used an FTP archive known as Sunsite. I'm now needing some files from it and it appears every single mirror of it has vanished other than a few very incomplete ones. Archive.org is similarly no use, maddenningly that gives me a listing with the files I want but the actual files were not preserved. Anyone
2050 [14:00:17] <Tachyon`> know of a mirror of Sunsite/Metalab that might still exist?
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2063 [14:07:07] <missmbob> !tell Tachyon` about ot
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2072 [14:11:23] <jelly-home> old source lost, like tears in rain
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2074 [14:13:33] <latemus> jelly-home: all these memories? i have seen the rings of saturn on mining expeditions
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2076 [14:14:37] <jelly-home> missmbob: that may be technically off topic but it still brings back memories
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2093 [14:21:06] <Iridos> oh, he's gone anyway
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2095 [14:21:24] <r0ck_> hey ppl
2096 [14:21:44] <r0ck_> is there any way to make fglrx and gnome work together?
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2099 [14:23:22] <missmbob> r0ck_: you probably need firmware-linux-nonfree (there's a newer one in jessie-backports)
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2101 [14:24:05] <jak2000> hi all
2102 [14:24:31] <jak2000> i get a Readonly file sysstem, resstarted and i get this messssage when restart: replaced-url
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2106 [14:25:57] <Guest83091> jak2000: you don't have a ssh server at that point
2107 [14:26:07] <Guest83091> oh, nice nick
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2110 [14:26:25] <jak2000> iss a vps
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2112 [14:26:35] <jak2000> is a vps, cant do anything remotely?
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2115 [14:26:58] <bezaban> jak2000: if your provider offers some remote console then yes, where did you get the screenshot from?
2116 [14:27:04] <r0ck_> missmbob: I have tried with that, but then gnome just gives and error, even gdm3 wont load
2117 [14:27:07] <abrotman> r0ck_: Unless you have a good reason, you should probably see if the radeon driver works for you as fglrx is sort of dead
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2121 [14:27:46] <r0ck_> I do use radeon free driver
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2124 [14:28:05] <r0ck_> however it doesnt satisfy me
2125 [14:28:19] <bezaban> jak2000: another alternative is if the provider offers booting some rescue image, but these out of band solutions are provider specific
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2128 [14:28:30] <TomTomTosch> gnome simply doesn't work with fglrx. it's documented, no way around.
2129 [14:28:47] <r0ck_> abrotman missmbob is there a way to make it work?
2130 [14:28:50] <r0ck_> This driver is incompatible with the GNOME desktop, as it does not support the EGL interface. It is recommended to use the free radeon driver instead.
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2132 [14:29:32] <jak2000> bezaban, ooo i am at recovery mode...
2133 [14:30:00] <jak2000> wait i get a image (i access to console via web)
2134 [14:30:36] <abrotman> r0ck_: then why are you asking about fglrx?
2135 [14:30:50] <jak2000> diferent but similar: replaced-url
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2137 [14:31:56] <r0ck_> abrotman: there should be a way for it to work.. thats why
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2141 [14:33:04] <jak2000> but i can type commands
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2146 [14:35:12] <jak2000> bezaban: replaced-url
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2148 [14:35:18] <jak2000> how to mount /home/jak
2149 [14:35:40] <bezaban> jak2000: run fsck manually on the partition that failed
2150 [14:36:17] <jak2000> only 'fsck' ?
2151 [14:36:18] <bezaban> no flags iirc
2152 [14:36:20] <bezaban> yeah
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2154 [14:36:44] <jak2000> not do anything
2155 [14:37:01] <jak2000> only say: fsck from util-linux 2.25.2
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2159 [14:38:17] <bezaban> and then specify the partition/fs you want to run it on, the one with the error in your first message
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2161 [14:39:03] <jak2000> in /dev/dm-0 ?
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2163 [14:40:39] <jak2000> see: replaced-url
2164 [14:40:43] <jak2000> now resstart?
2165 [14:40:50] <bezaban> that's lvm on raid? I'd do the volume group for the root filesystem /dev/mapper/localhost--vg-root
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2168 [14:41:33] <jak2000> yes
2169 [14:41:34] <bezaban> jak2000: ah, it did it. Great, should fix it unless there are more serious errors
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2174 [14:41:54] <jak2000> sstrange its a vps
2175 [14:42:03] <bezaban> and fix = y. But you might want to run with -y if you want to skip hitting y a lot ;)
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2179 [14:42:27] <bezaban> jak2000: that just means more layers of things that can go wrong :P
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2185 [14:43:50] <stoned> Good morning
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2191 [14:45:48] <jak2000> bezaban done
2192 [14:45:54] <jak2000> by moment i am backup my data
2193 [14:45:55] <jak2000> first
2194 [14:46:25] <jak2000> and then do the fsck
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2201 [14:50:00] <jak2000> ufff can backuping :)
2202 [14:50:05] <jak2000> thanks thanks
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2218 [14:55:38] <rafalcpp> my box is not NATing some packages. what tools can debug why that is?
2219 [14:55:58] <rafalcpp> iptables-save show: -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
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2221 [14:56:52] <jak2013> bezaban?
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2223 [14:57:00] <rafalcpp> I have interfaces: eth0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state DOWN group default qlen 1000 br0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default inet 10.0.3.2/24 brd 10.0.3.255 scope global br0 vethCB3WIB: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast master br0 state UP group default qlen 1000
2224 [14:57:17] <rafalcpp> bridge name bridge id STP enabled interfaces
2225 [14:57:19] <rafalcpp> br0 8000.fe9aefc7a489 no vethCB3WIB
2226 [14:57:27] <rafalcpp> this is all correct right?
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2229 [14:58:01] <sine0> I want to be able to edit my public_html folder from my user, Do I add them to the replaced-url
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2231 [14:58:14] <bezaban> jak2013: yes?
2232 [14:58:30] <bezaban> fsck and reboot should be sufficient
2233 [14:58:49] <jak2013> ok backuping
2234 [14:58:55] <rafalcpp> sine0: other common way is to create /home/someuser.public/ dir, chown/chgrp it to the user, chmod 755 it, and set apache to serve this dir.
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2240 [15:00:34] <sine0> ahh
2241 [15:00:35] <sine0> nice one
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2265 [15:07:46] <jak2013> bezaban: /dev/mapper/localhost--vg-root is mounted. e2fsck: Cannot continue, aborting.
2266 [15:07:48] <sine0> rafalcpp: can I have the public_html/index.php be a symlink to the file somewhere else ?
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2273 [15:10:22] <latemus> hi guys
2274 [15:10:39] <latemus> hoy do you guys schedule your backups
2275 [15:10:40] <rafalcpp> sine0: sure, yeap
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2277 [15:11:31] <sine0> cool
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2281 [15:13:23] <bezaban> jak2013: yeah.. so unmount it
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2284 [15:14:53] <saptech> latemus, there are some apps in the repositories, such as rsync, rsnapshot. One I like to use is LuckyBackup
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2295 [15:18:12] <latemus> saptech: cool, thanks man
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2300 [15:20:45] <saptech> welcome
2301 [15:21:09] <latemus> i use rsync over ssh to get differentials
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2303 [15:21:31] <latemus> but i have heard tarsnop is good
2304 [15:21:37] <saptech> the other ones I mention use it as a backend
2305 [15:21:39] <latemus> tarsnap, that is
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2307 [15:21:50] <latemus> saptech: nice, okay
2308 [15:22:13] <latemus> what fs to you store your backups on
2309 [15:22:20] <saptech> just google on how to setup backups. Luckybackup is gui
2310 [15:22:25] <latemus> ah.
2311 [15:22:30] <richard_w> Hi. I'm currently trying to package a patched version of opencv. It tries to download files during configure time.
2312 [15:22:47] <saptech> I store miine on a ext. usb hdd
2313 [15:22:50] <latemus> i was using lvm and i lost the partiton map
2314 [15:22:54] <saptech> mine*
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2316 [15:22:56] <latemus> saptech: cool
2317 [15:23:01] <richard_w> Is there a standard way in dpkg to include large files into the upstream source? I think a quilt patch would be too big.
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2325 [15:25:40] <themill> richard_w: dpkg-source has an include-binaries option that can drop in whole files
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2333 [15:28:30] <gebruiker> Q: is there a way to really minimalise the debian bloat? ... I already installed through expert mode but I still notice there is crap like busybox. I also notice that when I install irssi it autoselects perl. Why is this? the binary does not need perl to run only plugins. When installing plugins it should select perl. These kinds of actions make it harder to just install a good and clean desktop env
2334 [15:29:02] <themill> wait... you're worried about perl and then you're going to install a desktop environment?
2335 [15:29:12] <richard_w> themill: using gpb can i just commit them to the repo and still get valid dsc files?
2336 [15:29:14] <gebruiker> themill: those are examples
2337 [15:29:31] <gebruiker> themill: and yes i want to isntall xfce but i do not want perl
2338 [15:29:44] <themill> you're going to get perl
2339 [15:30:00] <themill> richard_w: you need to list them in debian/source/include-binaries as well
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2341 [15:30:07] <richard_w> gebruiker: replaced-url
2342 [15:30:29] <gebruiker> richard_w: yeah but i need some maintaince easyness too
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2345 [15:31:25] <richard_w> gebruiker: gentoo maybe (although i doubt it will be useful without perl)?
2346 [15:31:43] <richard_w> perl is basic stuff. you'll always need it
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2348 [15:32:15] <richard_w> themill: thank you. i'll try it
2349 [15:32:21] <gebruiker> richard_w: imagine if you would have to maintain 100 desktop computers and security using debian. How would you approach it?
2350 [15:32:25] <themill> and things like busybox exist because when you need them, you want them
2351 [15:32:25] <toruvinn> gebruiker, busybox is rather small and used in things like initrd/initramfs. perl is needed for irssi to run scripts, i've once compiled irssi without script support and it was meh. you want it, most likely.
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2353 [15:32:36] <toruvinn> gebruiker, and as someone pointed out, LFS is awesome. used it for years.
2354 [15:32:37] <gebruiker> perl would make the system vulnreable
2355 [15:32:41] <themill> no
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2358 [15:32:48] <richard_w> gebruiker: no
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2361 [15:33:18] <toruvinn> gebruiker, well with this kind of approach just unplug them from internet or even from power and they'll be safe...
2362 [15:33:30] <themill> !toruvinn++
2363 [15:33:31] <toruvinn> (power as in current)
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2366 [15:33:44] <gebruiker> toruvinn: you made a thinking error
2367 [15:34:02] <gebruiker> toruvinn: i am worried about people using perl to exploit the system hypothetically
2368 [15:34:03] <richard_w> gebruiker: when you have 100 computers the users are a way bigger risk than perl
2369 [15:34:31] <themill> gebruiker: and how would they do that?
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2374 [15:35:10] <gebruiker> richard_w: true but perl would be one of the issues, right?
2375 [15:35:13] <richard_w> gebruiker: i usually exploit systems i have physical access to with a screwdriver
2376 [15:35:26] <gebruiker> themill: well i am sure yoy can imagine it
2377 [15:35:32] <themill> no, I can't
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2379 [15:35:40] <richard_w> gebruiker: no perl is not an issue at all.
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2381 [15:35:53] <bezaban> a user process running perl is under normal user restrictions.
2382 [15:35:57] <toruvinn> gebruiker, by "dumbing the installation down" you'll end up with a system where you basically won't be able to login, cause no shell. but hey what if there's a remote kernel vuln?
2383 [15:36:16] <gebruiker> richard_w: we are argueing about perl but i am sure you can understand how generally there would be apps present on the system as a dependency that could be a security risk
2384 [15:36:24] <themill> [citation needed]
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2386 [15:36:40] <richard_w> gebruiker: absolutely not
2387 [15:36:56] <gebruiker> richard_w: well security.debian is proof of that
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2389 [15:37:10] <toruvinn> gebruiker, tbh unless you have things such as setuid binaries (does perl still ship its own?) your main concern is kernel anyway. and you can't really get rid of that one. ;-)
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2393 [15:37:59] <richard_w> gebruiker: there's a big difference between remote code execution and local privilege escalation
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2395 [15:38:11] <toruvinn> indeed.
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2397 [15:38:23] <richard_w> gebruiker: and bugs in perl can NEVER cause local privilege escalation. it is always a kernel bug
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2400 [15:38:39] <richard_w> gebruiker: or obviously a bug in a setuid binary
2401 [15:38:51] <gebruiker> toruvinn: well perl or bash could cause endless forks
2402 [15:39:04] <themill> umm... maybe it's time to play elsewhere.
2403 [15:39:16] <richard_w> gebruiker: /etc/limits.conf
2404 [15:39:22] <toruvinn> gebruiker, wow. or someone could approach your pc and steal your harddrives.
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2406 [15:39:49] <gebruiker> lol, we have gone way in the rabit hole away from the orginal question.
2407 [15:40:01] <richard_w> gebruiker: we answered it
2408 [15:40:02] <toruvinn> gebruiker, what are you trying to be safe against? remote people or local, potentially malicious users?
2409 [15:40:13] <gebruiker> toruvinn: you errored in your thinking
2410 [15:40:23] <toruvinn> not really. :^)
2411 [15:40:33] <themill> gebruiker: you're making up problems that don't exist
2412 [15:40:37] <gebruiker> toruvinn: your comparisons are like apples and oranges.
2413 [15:40:51] <themill> gebruiker: please explain what your threat model actually is.
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2415 [15:41:21] <velix> We've got 2016. Why isn't "ls" capable of showing ACLs? :(
2416 [15:41:26] <gebruiker> themill: this question is to far from my orginal question
2417 [15:41:30] <themill> gebruiker: please explain what your threat model actually is.
2418 [15:41:39] <velix> Sure, it shows "+" ... but that's not very informative :)
2419 [15:42:00] <toruvinn> gebruiker, i'll sum it up this way: using Debian actually helps with security A LOT, because you are usually able to ship updates to all of your servers much faster/easier. imagine having to recompile (not to mention, edit the code!) yourself and then upload it to each of your affected boxes. Debian sorta does this for you.
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2421 [15:42:59] <gebruiker> toruvinn: yes exactly why i want a miniminal debian. But some approaches chosen by devs by making i.e irssi to statically and not dynamic enough make that a hassle
2422 [15:43:22] <toruvinn> gebruiker, things like having perl should not impact your security, not for quite a few years already. there were issues with that, but unless you use perl as CGI (unlikely) and have no such things as suid perl, an user can execute code as himself this way only. no probs there. kernel becomes your main concern and you can't really get rid of this one.
2423 [15:44:37] <gebruiker> toruvinn: see debian dsa-3628-1
2424 [15:44:57] <gebruiker> it is from 25 jul 2016
2425 [15:45:05] <themill> gebruiker: please explain what your threat model actually is.
2426 [15:45:21] <themill> until you actually do, it's impossible to take you seriously or actually provide any advice
2427 [15:46:03] <gebruiker> themill: i have none. that is why i keep telling you that it is too far from my orginal question. Somewhere we went into a rabit hole away from what I wanted to achieve
2428 [15:46:05] <themill> That DSA is about how a *local* user can alter how a *locally* run perl script behaves.
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2431 [15:46:14] <themill> no, you're just making up crap
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2433 [15:46:39] <gebruiker> themill: no i do not
2434 [15:47:05] <themill> If you can't even explain what sort of threat you're trying to protect against, then you are
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2436 [15:47:15] <gebruiker> themill: your statement about perl was invalid and you have not understood my question properly. it was about local security and oringally bloat.
2437 [15:47:32] <themill> So actually state your threat model.
2438 [15:47:41] <themill> Bloat is not a security risk.
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2440 [15:47:46] <gebruiker> themill: no security, the security was an example. I want a minminal setup withouth dependencies on crap i do not use
2441 [15:47:48] <gebruiker> like perl
2442 [15:47:57] <themill> Then use something other than debian.
2443 [15:47:57] <gebruiker> and I would like to keep using debian
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2448 [15:48:27] <themill> If your tinfoil isn't dependency-compliant, you'll be building it yourself.
2449 [15:48:34] <jelly-home> gebruiker: perl-base is always there, you can't really have a debian system without perl
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2451 [15:48:48] <gebruiker> jelly-home: fair point
2452 [15:48:54] <gebruiker> themill: stop crying man
2453 [15:49:13] <jelly-home> now can we go back to debian tech support?
2454 [15:49:15] <gebruiker> jelly-home: however perl is not instaleld as a base on a minimum install
2455 [15:49:25] <themill> gebruiker: we've spent 20 min trying to get you to actually answer a straight question....
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2457 [15:50:10] <themill> gebruiker: actually, perl is
2458 [15:50:20] <gebruiker> themill: themill no i just did a fresh install and it is not
2459 [15:50:26] <themill> it is.
2460 [15:50:28] <gebruiker> wrong.
2461 [15:50:36] <gebruiker> i can show you myu dpkg -l
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2463 [15:51:01] <themill> feel free. You'll find perl is on your system.
2464 [15:51:22] <themill> You might like to also show us the output of "perl -v" while you're at it.
2465 [15:51:27] <toruvinn> ;^)
2466 [15:51:44] * themill knows what Essential: yes means
2467 [15:52:24] <TomTomTosch> you should dpkg -l perl-base not perl
2468 [15:52:34] <gebruiker> there is only a package perl-base. So your partly right but I was talking about perl as a dependency
2469 [15:53:05] <themill> so what about having a package called perl on your system?
2470 [15:53:15] <themill> If /usr/bin/perl is there, you have perl.
2471 [15:53:52] <gebruiker> now you are twisitng it and this discussion is so far from the orginal questio and intent ... its becoming ridicouls
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2473 [15:54:10] <gebruiker> just like my spelling
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2475 [15:54:23] <themill> the original intent was so vague as to be meaningless hence why people have asked what you're *actually* trying to achieve.
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2477 [15:54:33] <toruvinn> gebruiker, your original question was answered already, at least once; we're just helping you not to shoot yourself in the foot or not to render your system useless for the enduser.
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2481 [15:54:59] <themill> Not having a package "perl" on your system is not something that is useful to achieve from any point of view. So what *are* you actually trying to achieve?
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2483 [15:55:24] <gebruiker> sigh ... the perl things was just an example of a unnessary dependecie of irssi
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2486 [15:55:33] <toruvinn> themill, well one could argue embedded systems. ;-)
2487 [15:55:35] <joseph> hi
2488 [15:55:48] <jelly-home> gebruiker: feel free to make a local build of irssi with no perl support
2489 [15:55:55] <themill> gebruiker: and yet you still can't actually explain what you're trying to achieve.
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2491 [15:56:13] <themill> toruvinn: for the desktop
2492 [15:56:17] <shovel_boss> google drive is not working for me
2493 [15:56:23] <habs> When I try to boot my Debian installation with LVM volume group "matrix" and volumes "root" and "swap" on /dev/sda5, I get this error with these grub opts: replaced-url
2494 [15:56:25] <shovel_boss> keeps loading forever
2495 [15:56:33] <toruvinn> gebruiker, you wont get rid of dependencies unless you compile thing yourself or find a distro that does this; possibly gentoo, definitely LFS (dont expect automation in that one though). by removing dependencies, bear in mind you're removing functionality. in case of irssi it's pretty basic funcionality in that irc client tbh.
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2497 [15:56:45] <gebruiker> jelly-home: are you processing real life data as linear? Stop doing that man.
2498 [15:57:19] <themill> gebruiker: feel free to stop projecting and extrapolate.
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2500 [15:57:45] <toruvinn> habs, ouch i never really liked lvm and used it once, but make sure setting up lvm isn't the job of your initramfs and make sure your initramfs is updated to hold your lvm configuration...
2501 [15:57:53] <themill> and, you know, answer questions that have been asked of yuo
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2503 [15:57:59] <gebruiker> themill: the question already answered. the question was, minimal system(no boat) with debian. howto? The answer was not possible. Used irssi as an example of a lot of other packages that have to much static dependecy on apps
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2505 [15:58:10] <shovel_boss> i am using the website for google drive
2506 [15:58:20] <themill> gebruiker: "minimal" is meaningless...
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2508 [15:59:03] <toruvinn> themill, gebruiker, sounds like kernel + busybox would be a nice thing there tbh. minimal enough?
2509 [15:59:05] <velix> setfacl -R -m g:replaced-url
2510 [15:59:08] <velix> whoops, sorry
2511 [15:59:12] <toruvinn> and still kinda usable.
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2513 [15:59:45] <velix> Hmm, why doesn't /home/ have ACLs ?
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2515 [16:00:14] <RoyK> velix: usually it suffices with traditional unix file rights
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2518 [16:00:26] <gebruiker> toruvinn: yes and an minimal x system, like you would see at certain banks or companies where programs like "LS" are not available for users or non-existent but office apps and webbrowsing apps are...
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2520 [16:01:05] <velix> RoyK: I've freshly installed Debian. When I create a file in /home/userA, userB can read it in userA's directory. That doesn't look right ;)
2521 [16:01:16] <habs> toruvinn: How can I make sure my initramfs is updated? I tried chrooting into my system and doing "mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0.4-amd64 3.16.0.4-amd64" but that didn't seem to work.
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2523 [16:01:40] <RoyK> velix: chmod go-rwx -R ~userA
2524 [16:01:55] <RoyK> velix: you can configure useradd to tighten this
2525 [16:02:21] <velix> RoyK: why isn't that kind of data security on by default? ;)
2526 [16:02:32] <RoyK> velix: I'm not sure why this is the default - possibly historic
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2528 [16:03:33] <wehatecoons> white pride worldwide
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2530 [16:03:36] <wehatecoons> 23 16
2531 [16:03:39] <wehatecoons> 14 88
2532 [16:03:45] <wehatecoons> o/
2533 [16:03:48] <wehatecoons> white power!
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2535 [16:03:50] <velix> RoyK: I am German, I know that history shouldn't be repeated :)
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2537 [16:03:57] <wehatecoons> it shouldn't
2538 [16:03:57] <RoyK> velix: hehe
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2542 [16:05:07] <velix> White Powder? Do you know the picture: American guys: "We want our land back". American natives: "LoL".
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2545 [16:05:39] <coonscoonscoons> velix: history shouldn't really repeat itself, i wish that germany would go full blown nazi again but win the war
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2547 [16:05:50] <coonscoonscoons> hitler was too greedy
2548 [16:05:57] <velix> coonscoonscoons: There has been a movie about this, can't remember the name.
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2559 [16:07:14] <velix> RoyK: maybe I don't need ACLs at all ;)
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2566 [16:09:12] <velix> chown :replaced-url
2567 [16:09:14] <velix> oops
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2569 [16:09:30] <velix> This doesn't work... permession denied: chown :replaced-url
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2572 [16:09:46] <habs> How can I make sure my Debian initramfs is updated? When I try to boot my Debian installation with LVM volume group "matrix" and volumes "root" and "swap" on /dev/sda5, I get this error with these grub opts: replaced-url
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2576 [16:10:51] <velix> Let me ask in #linux ... this isn't a debian problem.
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2578 [16:11:59] <Iridos> velix, chmod g+w /tmp/acl
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2580 [16:12:40] <velix> Iridos: why can't an owner write to a directory?
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2582 [16:13:19] <Iridos> velix, the owner can, but you are not changing the owner, but the group
2583 [16:13:38] <Iridos> velix, look at the first line of synopsis in "man chown"
2584 [16:13:42] <velix> Iridos: I thought, it works like this: "all users in group XY are owners".
2585 [16:13:44] <velix> Iridos: ok
2586 [16:14:14] <velix> Iridos: Seems like ACL is the right way for me ;)
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2588 [16:14:32] <Iridos> not necessarily
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2590 [16:14:36] <velix> I've got several users in replaced-url
2591 [16:14:41] <velix> write, read etc.
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2593 [16:15:05] <Iridos> that can be done with a group
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2595 [16:15:22] <velix> Hmm... What's the benefit of ACL then? Different users & groups?
2596 [16:15:33] <velix> I mean, different rights for different users and groups?
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2602 [16:16:01] <Iridos> you can add access rights to users that aren't together in a group with acls
2603 [16:16:19] <velix> Iridos: ok.
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2605 [16:16:43] <Iridos> but in either case it is probably not trivial if they are supposed to edit each other's files
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2610 [16:17:12] <RoyK> velix: probably not
2611 [16:17:15] <velix> Iridos: again it gives me "permission denied": replaced-url
2612 [16:18:00] <RoyK> velix: are you a member of replaced-url
2613 [16:18:07] <velix> RoyK: replaced-url
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2620 [16:20:07] <velix> With ACL it works easily. But I want to try it the native linux way.
2621 [16:20:22] <Iridos> velix, you should maybe check the results of what you did, then it'd be obvious? like… ls -ld /tmp/acl
2622 [16:20:46] <Iridos> also, sudo -u replaced-url
2623 [16:21:06] <velix> Iridos: uid=33(replaced-url
2624 [16:21:25] <velix> Iridos: drwx-w---- 2 root replaced-url
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2627 [16:21:42] <Iridos> well… do you see it?
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2629 [16:22:40] <velix> Iridos: owner is still root ?
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2631 [16:23:21] <velix> Iridos: But I want to allow writing to EACH user of group replaced-url
2632 [16:23:28] <n4dir> perhaps touch needs rather x than w ...
2633 [16:24:12] <jelly-home> ^^
2634 [16:24:20] <jelly-home> (needs both)
2635 [16:24:27] <velix> yep, that's it :)
2636 [16:24:55] <Iridos> "x" means "allowed to change into directory"
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2639 [16:25:06] <n4dir> ah, thanks.
2640 [16:25:27] <velix> Argh... why does it work with "x", even it's the wrong thing? :)
2641 [16:25:28] <Iridos> and not giving read rights to the group doesn't make sense either
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2643 [16:25:37] <Iridos> it's not wrong
2644 [16:25:44] <Iridos> you need x and w because… see above
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2647 [16:26:23] <velix> So that's how it should look like? replaced-url
2648 [16:26:25] <Iridos> but your directory should probably have had rwxr-xr-x from the start on
2649 [16:26:58] <Iridos> well, why do you do chmod go-rwx -R /tmp/acl
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2652 [16:27:40] <Iridos> dpkg, permissions
2653 [16:27:40] <dpkg> For information on permissions, read «info coreutils 'File Permissions'», replaced-url
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2657 [16:28:14] <Iridos> you might want to read some of that…
2658 [16:28:25] <Iridos> also maybe "man chmod" and possibly "man 2 chmod"
2659 [16:28:59] <velix> Iridos: RoyK told me this to tighten up reading other's home directories.
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2663 [16:29:30] <Iridos> but this isn't about a home directory
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2665 [16:29:55] <Iridos> I suggest you just read on what it does and then think about what makes sense in what case
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2669 [16:30:59] <velix> Iridos: I thought, it would remove rwx to all other users and groups ?
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2675 [16:33:54] <n4dir> not to other groups, to the group-members (chown root:groupname ; all member of groupname get rwx removed).
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2677 [16:34:27] <n4dir> who is not part of that group (groupname as the example) is part of o (like others).
2678 [16:34:42] <velix> n4dir: thx
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2681 [16:35:04] <n4dir> don't take my word for it ... i am not really good with it.
2682 [16:35:21] <velix> n4dir: nobody complains about it in here ... ;)
2683 [16:35:38] <n4dir> k, gotta sleep. good luck, fun and later.
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2685 [16:36:03] <velix> n4dir: gn8
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2763 [16:59:58] <jak2000> bezaban? are you there?
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2773 [17:04:51] <shovel_boss> is firefox esr(extended support release) the latest firefox for debian
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2775 [17:05:00] <shovel_boss> cant i get a newer release?
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2779 [17:05:41] <jelly-home> !mdn
2780 [17:05:41] <dpkg> For stable releases, newer versions of Firefox, Icedove and Iceape can be found at replaced-url
2781 [17:05:56] <greycat> The firefox-esr in jessie is considered "stable", insofar as that word has any meaning for web browsers. For a less stable version, see that factoid above me.
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2805 [17:18:44] <visitante|89346> How do I tell from command line if running wheezy or jessy?
2806 [17:19:09] <SwedeMike> visitante|89346: "cat /etc/debian_version"
2807 [17:19:21] <jelly-home> !debian suite
2808 [17:19:22] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
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2826 [17:27:05] <d3lphi> certainly I am missing something. Just installed the latest Jessie version (stable) from netinst iso image. I run "dpkg-reconfigure localed" choose "de_DE.UTF-8" and the afterwards choose it as default. The configurator finishes without errors, "locale -a" shows me the available locales and...
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2828 [17:27:26] <d3lphi> "cat /etc/default/locale" shows de_DE.UTF-8. But even when I reboot and execute "locale" I get everywhere "C" as result. Why ??
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2832 [17:28:10] <jelly-home> d3lphi: where precisely do you "execute locale", from which program or shell (logged in how?)
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2842 [17:32:46] <greycat> Also what *exactly* is in the /etc/default/locale file? It can't just be "de_DE.UTF-8"
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2922 [18:11:41] <jstolare1> has anyone succesfully configured plymouth with nvidia drivers on Debian 8 ?
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2953 [18:20:11] <CrowX-> Trying to mount an lvm volume gives me an error "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on..."
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2955 [18:20:34] <CrowX-> and I do just mount /location/of/volume /a/local/directory
2956 [18:20:44] <greycat> *sigh*
2957 [18:21:02] <CrowX-> ?
2958 [18:21:14] <CrowX-> what am I doing wrong?
2959 [18:21:23] <greycat> You went out of your way, typing EXTRA CHARACTERS, in order to make the "information" you are presenting worthless.
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2964 [18:21:55] <teraflops> CrowX-: use real data not /location/of/volume /a/local/directory ^
2965 [18:22:01] <CrowX-> k, sec
2966 [18:22:17] <CrowX-> I used: mount /dev/pve/vm-20106-disk-1 /mnt/20106
2967 [18:22:32] <greycat> What type of file system did you create on /dev/pve/vm-20106-disk-1
2968 [18:22:48] <CrowX-> Error was: replaced-url
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2971 [18:22:59] <CrowX-> and dmesg/syslog shows nothing about the error
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2977 [18:25:33] <CrowX-> I'm checking the filesystem now
2978 [18:26:20] <jhutchins> Do I wrongly recall that LVM "devices" are in /dev/mapper/ ?
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2980 [18:26:55] <greycat> jhutchins: there's aliasing going on. Symlinks and stuff.
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2993 [18:30:27] <CrowX-> greycat, is it possible that there are 3 different partitions on the lvm?
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2995 [18:31:07] <greycat> Each logical volume counts like a partition. It can have a file system, or a raw Oracle database cat-litter area, if Oracle still does that....
2996 [18:31:11] <greycat> Or swap space, etc.
2997 [18:31:15] <CrowX-> this is an lvm used by a kvm/qemu virtual machine, and when I get into it and do "parted -l", I see 3 different partitions
2998 [18:31:50] <greycat> Ah, then it is being used as a "virtual disk" and has its own partition table and so on.
2999 [18:32:26] <CrowX-> anything I can do to mount a parition of it?
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3001 [18:33:48] <greycat> I don't know. Maybe the heavy VM people will have some ideas.
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3005 [18:34:58] <jmcnaught> CrowX-: you can access it from a VM of course. There's also replaced-url
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3018 [18:37:53] <CrowX-> I handled it using kpartx
3019 [18:37:58] <CrowX-> thanks
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3132 [19:24:24] <boxrick1> Anyone?
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3134 [19:24:55] <greycat> Man page is unclear. Try it and see.
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3181 [19:42:00] <Joose43> Hello, what happens if I transfer a file from a ext4 file system to NTFS or the other way? Which permissions will the file have? What happens if the permissions are lost?
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3184 [19:42:44] <arvind> guys, I just installed dbeian jessie but my soundcard is not working. I have the output of lspci -V pasted @ replaced-url
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3188 [19:43:12] <jelly-home> Joose43: in general, the permissions _will_ be lost
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3191 [19:43:25] <RichiH> i feel stupid asking this, but i have a process which is stuck on a non-responding disk. said process is hogging nearly 99% wa, load is at ~10; i tried to kill -9 the process several times but that didn't work. any way to nuke it from orbit and flush the waiting queue?
3192 [19:43:38] <Joose43> jelly-home: Ok, but which permission will the file then have? 000?
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3194 [19:44:15] <jelly-home> Joose43: NTFS has a lots more complex permission system than unix (or even unix + posix acl) permissions
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3197 [19:44:33] <jelly-home> Joose43: typically that depends on your umask and the tool you use to copy/move files
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3200 [19:45:01] <Joose43> jelly-home: Say I transfer from NTFS to Linux (ext4). So, if I transfer to /home, then it has the normal rights for this directory -> umask?
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3204 [19:45:35] <jelly-home> Joose43: which tool are you using, and which options?
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3206 [19:45:59] <Guest55911> Hello. I have a HP 6735s laptop. I have Debian Jessie installed on it. Its video card is a Radeon HD 3200. I've noticed that, since I installed Linux on it, I can't regulated the "backlight" of the screen, that is always at minimum level. How can I solve the problem?
3207 [19:46:00] <Joose43> jelly-home: Nothing at the moment, but it's a general question. Because I don't understand it by now.
3208 [19:46:36] <jelly-home> Joose43: mount your ntfs. look at ls -ld /path/to/file/on/ntfs, that's kernel's approximation on what's on ntfs and that's basically what you'll get if you cp -p
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3212 [19:48:05] <jelly-home> to make things more confusing, there are mount options for ntfs that change the apparent permissions
3213 [19:48:11] <Joose43> jelly-home: I create a NAS for both Linux and Windows computers. And I wonder which file system it will work with?
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3215 [19:48:18] <Joose43> jelly-home: It uses Samba
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3219 [19:49:09] <jelly-home> Joose43: then it will use cifs/smb2/smb3, the network filesystem that samba implements
3220 [19:49:25] <jelly-home> and you basically don't care what the NAS itself uses inside
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3222 [19:49:47] <RichiH> jelly-home: just a quick check: i am sol, correct>
3223 [19:49:50] <Joose43> jelly-home: Oh, so it doesn't matter which file system the external hdd has?
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3225 [19:50:44] <jelly-home> RichiH: don't have context for that, sorry?
3226 [19:51:15] <RichiH> i feel stupid asking this, but i have a process which is stuck on a non-responding disk. said process is hogging nearly 99% wa, load is at ~10; i tried to kill -9 the process several times but that didn't work. any way to nuke it from orbit and flush the waiting queue?
3227 [19:51:18] * jelly-home scrolls
3228 [19:51:33] <RichiH> jelly-home: of course, the other shell is stuck in a dist-upgrade
3229 [19:51:44] <RichiH> cause _if_ things go bad...
3230 [19:51:47] <RichiH> they go _BAD_
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3233 [19:52:26] <jelly-home> RichiH: ah, you're confusing cause and effect there. The kernel shows the process is polling on IO (100% wa) _because_ it cannot write/read
3234 [19:52:53] <jelly-home> the IO has already gone to the kernel (and driver and hardware) side of things
3235 [19:52:54] <RichiH> yes, i know
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3237 [19:53:11] <RichiH> still, i want to just get rid of it all
3238 [19:53:16] <RichiH> without reboot, if possible
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3240 [19:53:36] <jelly-home> if the hardware wakes up, then the queue will presumably clear on its own
3241 [19:53:48] <RichiH> jelly-home: it won't
3242 [19:53:48] <jelly-home> nothing the process can do about it
3243 [19:53:53] <RichiH> the disk is borked
3244 [19:54:09] <RichiH> jelly-home: well, if i could tell the kernel to just give up trying...
3245 [19:54:20] <jelly-home> then you don't have any way to kill it that I know of, sorry
3246 [19:54:38] <jelly-home> Joo... eh
3247 [19:55:33] <jelly-home> apart from the one you want to avoid
3248 [19:56:00] <jelly-home> I wonder if you can echo 1 >> /sys/block/sdDEAD/device/delete
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3251 [19:56:19] <jelly-home> probably not
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3254 [19:57:05] <RichiH> jelly-home: no such file
3255 [19:57:28] <jelly-home> sdDEAD is a placeholder
3256 [19:57:56] <jelly-home> I don't know which sd device you have a problem with
3257 [19:57:58] <RichiH> ...
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3259 [19:58:15] <RichiH> i meant that there is no /sys/block/sdg/device/delete
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3261 [19:58:24] <jelly-home> how old is that kernel
3262 [19:58:27] <RichiH> 4.3
3263 [19:58:32] <jelly-home> that's not old
3264 [19:58:46] <RichiH> that would be correct
3265 [19:59:12] <RichiH> just cross-checked, none of the disks has a delete
3266 [19:59:16] <jelly-home> what _is_ there in /sys/block/sdg/device/ then?
3267 [19:59:30] <jelly-home> what kind of disk controller is used?
3268 [19:59:48] <jelly-home> could be a weird driver
3269 [20:00:25] <RichiH> replaced-url
3270 [20:00:28] <RichiH> it's a usb drive
3271 [20:00:29] <jelly-home> typicaly ide/sata/scsi/sas stuff exposes that as a way to spin down and disconnect the drive from the bus (think hot unplug)
3272 [20:00:39] <RichiH> but none of the sata ones have one, either
3273 [20:01:31] <jelly-home> if it's usb, forget it, I bet dmesg will show it already disconnected from usb and left crap after itself
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3277 [20:02:04] <RichiH> jelly-home: so... reboot...
3278 [20:02:08] <RichiH> and hope for the best
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3280 [20:02:31] <jelly-home> also maybe unplug that thing and don't ever plug it back in
3281 [20:02:42] <RichiH> jelly-home: heh
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3284 [20:02:47] <RichiH> really? ;)
3285 [20:02:51] <jelly-home> --w------- 1 root root 4096 Oct 10 20:01 /sys/block/sda/device/delete # all my sata
3286 [20:03:08] <RichiH> weird
3287 [20:03:14] <RichiH> what kernel
3288 [20:03:17] <L72g5sSq> I successfully completeed the new maintainer's tutorial for creating a debian package. Neat. What do maintainers check into source/version control? Just the debian folder which contains the control, rules, changelog, etc.? Or the entire project directory?
3289 [20:03:36] <RichiH> L72g5sSq: there's about a dozen workflows
3290 [20:03:42] <jelly-home> anything from 2.6.32 to 4.7
3291 [20:03:49] <RichiH> jelly-home: hmm
3292 [20:04:07] <RichiH> L72g5sSq: if it's git, i like to use git-buildpackage
3293 [20:04:12] <L72g5sSq> RichiH: Do you have any replaced-url
3294 [20:04:13] <L72g5sSq> Oh
3295 [20:04:24] <jelly-home> (the lower bound is there just because I don't have anything older than squeeze at hand)
3296 [20:04:34] <RichiH> jelly-home: heh
3297 [20:04:50] <RichiH> L72g5sSq: that way, i have my debian stuff in its own tree
3298 [20:05:00] <RichiH> and do it all with tags
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3300 [20:05:47] <RichiH> L72g5sSq: replaced-url
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3303 [20:06:51] <L72g5sSq> Alright
3304 [20:06:57] <L72g5sSq> Going to read replaced-url
3305 [20:07:12] <L72g5sSq> Seems a bit complicated
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3328 [20:15:03] <RichiH> L72g5sSq: yes
3329 [20:15:05] <RichiH> worth it, though
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3334 [20:15:55] <RichiH> jelly-home: after reboot, all drives have a delete
3335 [20:15:57] <RichiH> wtf
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3337 [20:16:28] <jelly-home> RichiH: could be the kernel hides sysfs APIs that are locked out for some reason
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3339 [20:16:54] <RichiH> jelly-home: prolly
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3342 [20:17:54] <jelly-home> it's 2016, usb still sucks
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3345 [20:18:37] <jelly-home> but it does so much faster and I can usually read off SMART data and I'm not complaining.
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3429 [20:57:20] <jak2013> how to resieze a lvm partition? add more space?
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3434 [20:57:41] <SpeedyG> lvresize ?
3435 [20:58:13] <rozie_> jak2013: this is not exactly Debian question. and topic is widely described in the internet. just search
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3437 [20:58:20] <XinZhao> hola
3438 [20:58:36] <XinZhao> I seem to be having an issue where input isnt properly grabbed when I hover my mouse over something
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3440 [20:58:41] <XinZhao> is there a setting for that?
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3446 [21:04:24] <petn-randall> XinZhao: Can you add some details? What are you hovering over? What application is this? What desktop environment?
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3448 [21:04:54] <XinZhao> its debian 8s default window manager thing
3449 [21:04:58] <XinZhao> synaptic is the app
3450 [21:05:14] <XinZhao> like for example I press ok on a prompt
3451 [21:05:23] <XinZhao> and it wont return focus to the list I was just in
3452 [21:05:30] <XinZhao> even if its hovered
3453 [21:05:40] <jelly-home> jak2013: what do you mean by "a lvm partition", a logical volume or a physical volume?
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3459 [21:06:29] <babilen> Don't you have to specifically enable focus-follow-mouse on Gnome?
3460 [21:06:58] <babilen> XinZhao: Might want to check how to set/enable that in Gnome 3
3461 [21:07:08] <XinZhao> babilen, I thought that might be the case
3462 [21:07:11] <XinZhao> thus my question
3463 [21:07:19] <XinZhao> ill google that and see what comes up
3464 [21:07:20] <XinZhao> cheers
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3467 [21:07:51] <jak2013> logical volume
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3470 [21:08:31] <jak2013> and why when id try ping 8.8.8.8 i get: network is unreachable?
3471 [21:09:45] <greycat> Because your default route (gateway) is wrong, or because of firewalls, or because you've disabled IPv4, or other things I can't htink of.
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3473 [21:09:55] <jak2013> ok thanks
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3527 [21:34:49] <thurstylark> I have a machine that's acting as a router, and also serving DNS to its clients using bind. It only has 2 entries (by design) and if a client requests an entry that it doesn't have, the server should return a failure, and the client should fail over to their secondary nameserver. Instead, I'm finding that the server is serving ALL requests, and acting like a forwarding/caching DNS server. All of the
3528 [21:34:50] <thurstylark> configuration that I can see has forwarding disabled, but it still answers for unknown entries. How can I make it stop forwarding requests?
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3530 [21:36:13] <greycat> Resolver clients are not supposed to "fail over to a secondary" if the primary returns an NXDOMAIN (no such domain). The NXDOMAIN is intended to be treated as an authoritative statemetn.
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3532 [21:37:16] <thurstylark> Ahh, so clients are only supposed to fail over if the first server doesn't respond at all?
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3534 [21:37:41] <greycat> Or if the server returns an error that means "I'm broken, sorry". I don't know the gory details.
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3537 [21:38:19] <thurstylark> alrighty, so the only way to get the behavior I want is with the currently running caching server...
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3542 [21:39:58] <thurstylark> In that case, why is forwarding working without having been configured that way?
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3544 [21:40:26] <XinZhao> yo yo
3545 [21:40:44] <XinZhao> is there any kind of thing like group policy for linux?
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3547 [21:41:00] <greycat> I'm not sure what you mean by "forwarding" exactly. Are you *truly* forwarding to a specific set of servers for domains that can't be looked up in the normal way (internal corporate stuff)? Or are you just letting normal DNS happen?
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3550 [21:41:12] <XinZhao> like, where I can have authoritive local servers and issue configuration commands to clients?
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3552 [21:41:54] <preaction> so... configuration management? or like LDAP for user accounts and kerberos for authentication?
3553 [21:42:25] <XinZhao> config management
3554 [21:42:28] <XinZhao> ideally
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3556 [21:42:55] <XinZhao> and allowing commands to be issued en masse with targeting, so I can just broadcast one thing and do a thing on the client if x is true
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3558 [21:43:06] <XinZhao> though I dont need EVERYTHING like that
3559 [21:43:12] <XinZhao> that's just what I can do with gpo's
3560 [21:43:22] <preaction> so there's lots of things, but ansible, puppet, and chef seem to be the most popular.
3561 [21:43:22] <XinZhao> (windows group policy objects)
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3565 [21:43:57] <XinZhao> ive talked with a friend about puppet for some time, but it didn't really seem like what I actually need
3566 [21:44:03] <XinZhao> let me recheck
3567 [21:44:06] <XinZhao> brb
3568 [21:44:10] <preaction> there's nothing i know of built-in to most linux distros though, except ssh and shell scripts (which sound kind of similar in a lowest-common-denominator sort of way)
3569 [21:44:43] <thurstylark> greycat: I guess I don't know, really. It is kind of like an internal corporate network kind of thing on a much smaller scale. We just have those two addresses that need to resolve to a machine on the local network, and the rest can be resolved by other DNS servers.
3570 [21:44:44] <XinZhao> yeah well I can do something nasty like scan the network for ip's and then poll them for some info or something
3571 [21:44:50] <XinZhao> but all that sounds like a lot of work
3572 [21:44:53] <XinZhao> I want something managable
3573 [21:45:04] <preaction> like, your script could totally `if [[ -x FILE ]]; then; do a thing; fi` and then you `for S in one two three; do ssh $S myscript.sh; done`
3574 [21:45:22] <XinZhao> hm true
3575 [21:45:34] <XinZhao> how do I quickly run it everywhere?
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3577 [21:45:42] <preaction> that's what the second one does
3578 [21:45:50] <preaction> or perhaps GNU parallel?
3579 [21:45:59] <greycat> thurstylark: so, basically you have BIND configured as a client-resolver with two "exceptions". It will look up except1 and except2 and replaced-url
3580 [21:46:07] <XinZhao> second one sorry? puppet?
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3582 [21:46:36] <XinZhao> haha puppet is fucking $120 a node over 10 nodes
3583 [21:46:39] <preaction> XinZhao: the second thing in `` in my comment. the `for` loop which uses `ssh`. which i now realize does not work
3584 [21:46:49] <preaction> nah, puppet is foss. don't buy their crap
3585 [21:46:52] <XinZhao> our 4 display capable systems are costing us like $300 each rofl
3586 [21:46:57] <XinZhao> oh I thought it was
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3588 [21:47:35] <thurstylark> greycat: That is the desired end result. The problem is that I don't know why it's working. It wasn't configured by me, and I'm trying to figure out why it's working the way it is so I can fix it or change it if need be.
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3590 [21:47:55] <greycat> thurstylark: have you found any cases that are *not* working?
3591 [21:48:20] <preaction> XinZhao: we use ansible, if that makes any difference. but ansible is more static configuration, less "hey, run this script on this box". in my home stuff i use Rex (replaced-url
3592 [21:48:20] <thurstylark> greycat: so far, no.
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3595 [21:48:48] <greycat> If it resolves your two exceptions, and a common outside domain name (replaced-url
3596 [21:48:56] <XinZhao> preaction, well we probably dont need to dynamically do anything really given its all central vm's and local snapshots
3597 [21:48:59] <XinZhao> but
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3599 [21:49:03] <XinZhao> its good to have the option
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3602 [21:49:25] <XinZhao> im not going to have like 20+ workstations in an office and NOT be able to botnet them
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3604 [21:49:31] <XinZhao> jeez
3605 [21:49:34] <XinZhao> ;p
3606 [21:49:53] <preaction> XinZhao: like, it's more that "you change the config, and then ansible make sure the box looks like you want". it's hard, in that context, to do "run this shell command on all boxes"
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3608 [21:50:05] <XinZhao> ANSIBLE IS $5000 A YEAR
3609 [21:50:06] <XinZhao> CMON
3610 [21:50:12] <preaction> but, as i mentioned, ssh+sh can do that
3611 [21:50:23] <XinZhao> yeah no I like this idea a lot tbh
3612 [21:50:25] <preaction> also open source. these are all open source, free software projects
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3614 [21:50:38] <XinZhao> I used to do similar things on windows before we got good access to GPO's
3615 [21:50:49] <XinZhao> using um, powertools
3616 [21:50:53] <XinZhao> pstools
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3618 [21:50:58] <XinZhao> yeah, that thing
3619 [21:51:07] <XinZhao> howeverrr
3620 [21:51:15] <XinZhao> I will need to get all the nodessss
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3622 [21:51:21] <XinZhao> easiest way to do that?
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3624 [21:51:29] <equilibrium> dudes need help
3625 [21:51:55] <preaction> yeah. there are ways to do discovery, but from what i understand they're all kind of crap. perhaps ask the dhcpd where all the nodes are?
3626 [21:52:11] <XinZhao> well
3627 [21:52:15] <XinZhao> I coulllllldddd
3628 [21:52:20] <XinZhao> have it curl its way into my router
3629 [21:52:21] <XinZhao> lol
3630 [21:52:36] <equilibrium> i just debian without desktop enviroment interface, now i need it to acess internet to install gnu step
3631 [21:52:36] <XinZhao> but that seems hugely ugly
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3633 [21:52:42] <XinZhao> cant I just say
3634 [21:52:49] <XinZhao> install snmp on every node?
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3636 [21:52:52] <equilibrium> i have a cable and i have wireless
3637 [21:52:54] <XinZhao> and then send a broadcast
3638 [21:52:58] <XinZhao> and they will respond
3639 [21:52:59] <preaction> we also use etcd, which i'm not sure what exactly it is, but it says "service discovery"
3640 [21:53:00] <XinZhao> or somesuch
3641 [21:53:10] <preaction> maybe? i think snmp requires you know the ip already though
3642 [21:53:25] <equilibrium> i plug the know next what i have to do to have internet?
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3644 [21:53:33] <equilibrium> cable*
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3646 [21:53:51] <XinZhao> no id just send a broadcast to 255.255.255.255
3647 [21:53:56] <XinZhao> and the router would multicast it
3648 [21:54:01] <XinZhao> and reply to me
3649 [21:54:02] <XinZhao> afaik
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3651 [21:54:17] <XinZhao> im no expert at these things
3652 [21:54:27] <XinZhao> I was cisco certified at one point but that was like 10+ years ago lol
3653 [21:54:30] <XinZhao> maybe even 15
3654 [21:54:35] <preaction> neither am i unfortunately. but the only snmp discovery things i'm finding are brute-force searches on netblocks
3655 [21:54:49] <XinZhao> yeah thats less than ideal
3656 [21:54:51] <XinZhao> what about um
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3658 [21:54:57] <XinZhao> can I maybeeeee
3659 [21:55:22] <XinZhao> latch an event/watcher on to a network interface so if the ip changes it informs my servers ip
3660 [21:55:29] <XinZhao> that seems easy right
3661 [21:55:47] <XinZhao> surely theres locator servers already
3662 [21:55:48] <preaction> that seems like something you'd need to do on the router
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3665 [21:56:05] <XinZhao> no itd operate per node
3666 [21:56:10] <preaction> it's funny because i'm working at a hosting company solving these exact problems and i know very little about them :p
3667 [21:56:18] <XinZhao> 'oh eth0 has a new ip - here it is guy'
3668 [21:56:33] <XinZhao> I could run my own dhcp server
3669 [21:56:36] <XinZhao> but thats stupid
3670 [21:56:39] <preaction> you'd need a script on the box to do that
3671 [21:56:41] <XinZhao> my router is insanely expensive
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3673 [21:56:48] <XinZhao> right, I can do whatever I need on the box
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3675 [21:56:56] <XinZhao> as I say its all central vms and local snapshots
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3677 [21:57:06] <XinZhao> connected over gigabit nas
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3681 [21:57:29] <equilibrium> how i connect my eeepc on to the internet using cable and terminal only?
3682 [21:57:32] <preaction> i mean, we run our own dhcpd for this and other purposes. when a new node gets spun up, before boot, it asks for a dhcp and we see it and tell it "okay, boot in pxe with this OS" and then the OS phones home and tells us all the hardware
3683 [21:57:32] <XinZhao> so like I can make a change to the central vm
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3686 [21:57:41] <XinZhao> and then when a node restarts it will get that update
3687 [21:57:52] <XinZhao> but I cant restart every node at once right now
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3691 [21:58:07] <XinZhao> yeah a dhcp server would have other uses
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3693 [21:58:15] <XinZhao> but as I say my router is insanely good at its job
3694 [21:58:21] <XinZhao> my server could only do it worse
3695 [21:58:22] <XinZhao> lol
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3697 [21:58:40] <preaction> does it have an api? our routers have an api we use to do fun things
3698 [21:58:58] <XinZhao> eh, without hackery its just a web interface
3699 [21:59:10] <XinZhao> we are keeping most of our infrastructure stuff high level
3700 [21:59:18] <preaction> cisco, then? we're juniper
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3702 [21:59:34] <preaction> anyway, i believe debian has a place in /etc to install hooks for network up/down
3703 [21:59:38] <nortti> friend upgraded server to testing from jessie, currently irssi refuses to start as cannot find libperl.so.5.20, installed version is libperl.so.5.24, symlinking will not make it run. all upgrades applied, tried to reinstall irssi, package sources are right. any idea how to get irssi to run?
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3705 [22:00:26] <XinZhao> well we have a few options, one of us owns a Cisco 7301
3706 [22:00:37] <XinZhao> but for now we just assume its just a web interface
3707 [22:00:55] <greycat> preaction: see the first example on replaced-url
3708 [22:01:53] <missmbob> !tell nortti about debian-next
3709 [22:01:53] <preaction> XinZhao: see what greycat said?
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3713 [22:03:40] <XinZhao> um, yeah
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3716 [22:03:58] <XinZhao> its not particularly helpful to what I need though lol
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3719 [22:04:08] <XinZhao> I never even suggested parsing ifconfig
3720 [22:04:26] <preaction> i think it's just the block of code there
3721 [22:04:32] <XinZhao> merely by the client connecting to my 'locator' service I described I would know their details
3722 [22:04:46] <XinZhao> oh!
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3724 [22:04:47] <preaction> so, that sounds like etcd
3725 [22:04:49] <XinZhao> haha
3726 [22:05:04] <XinZhao> let me check out etcd cause that name sounds promising for what I need mainly lol
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3730 [22:05:54] <preaction> maybe? i dunno. it seems too simple to even be useful to me... but we're using it for orchestration and i notice a lot of other people using it for huge clusters and discovery
3731 [22:06:04] <XinZhao> this is really awesome
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3734 [22:06:18] <XinZhao> this will totally do for the config management
3735 [22:06:25] <XinZhao> however I still need to find the nodes lol
3736 [22:06:33] <XinZhao> what about nmap?
3737 [22:06:35] <preaction> the nodes find the etcd, is the point
3738 [22:06:38] <XinZhao> cant I do some hackery with that
3739 [22:06:46] <XinZhao> oh really?
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3741 [22:06:52] <XinZhao> hm
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3743 [22:07:00] <preaction> the etcd is running on some known collection of nodes. you make your nodes start up and connect to the etcd
3744 [22:07:07] <XinZhao> if it has a way to send an arbitrary command too then that would be dope
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3746 [22:07:25] <preaction> that's not part of etcd. but you could make it part of ansible/puppet/chef using info from etcd
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3748 [22:07:52] <preaction> so whatever script connects to etcd, gets the list of nodes, and then does the thing on all the nodes
3749 [22:08:03] <XinZhao> etcd kind of seems like as well its just a key value store
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3751 [22:08:10] <XinZhao> does it actually work with like, /etc/ ?
3752 [22:08:19] <XinZhao> or do I need to implement it specially for anything Iwant
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3754 [22:08:30] <preaction> no idea. i'm guessing no and they're just confusingly named because that's what the kids do nowadays
3755 [22:08:47] <XinZhao> tbh I think with the vm solution we have we have like 90% of it covered
3756 [22:08:53] <XinZhao> they get the base image
3757 [22:08:59] <XinZhao> which is 100% our control
3758 [22:09:05] <XinZhao> then their needs are applied on top of that
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3760 [22:09:14] <XinZhao> as snapshots from their local workstation
3761 [22:09:17] <ledufakademy> hi,
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3763 [22:09:33] <XinZhao> not that we're locking anything down, they can change whatever they want
3764 [22:09:36] <XinZhao> but its independant
3765 [22:09:48] <XinZhao> and I can just update the core vm with whatever I need
3766 [22:10:02] <XinZhao> and a reboot and they're replicated
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3768 [22:10:03] <ledufakademy> which linux is better for install on packard bell onetwo , (imac like , with touch screen) ?
3769 [22:10:11] <XinZhao> in theory anyway haha.. still working on the specifics
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3772 [22:11:46] <XinZhao> ill give it some thought anyway
3773 [22:11:51] <XinZhao> thanks for your time preaction
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3775 [22:12:00] <preaction> np, good luck
3776 [22:12:27] <preaction> it's a pretty wild and innovating space right now, so it's hard to see what's good and not
3777 [22:12:45] <XinZhao> haha well its just more like, we dont want to get too bogged down in it
3778 [22:12:53] <XinZhao> its just the things that allow us to do our work
3779 [22:12:57] <XinZhao> not our core business
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3781 [22:13:09] <ledufakademy> is ubuntu touch a good choice for tablet use ?
3782 [22:13:19] <abrotman> ledufakademy: please ask #ubuntu
3783 [22:13:19] <ledufakademy> (it's a pc with touch screen)
3784 [22:13:20] <preaction> ledufakademy: that sounds like a #ubuntu question
3785 [22:13:29] <ledufakademy> ok
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3788 [22:13:55] <XinZhao> slightly off topic
3789 [22:13:58] <XinZhao> but; replaced-url
3790 [22:14:05] <XinZhao> anyone have any opinions on these?
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3792 [22:14:29] <XinZhao> taiga.io looks impressive
3793 [22:14:47] <XinZhao> tuleap looks like its got a good workflow
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3795 [22:15:17] <XinZhao> redmine ive had bad experiences with
3796 [22:15:22] <preaction> from the screenshots, they all look uniformly terrible :( but i enjoy jira, and hated trello, and tolerate github issues (not their new project thing, haven't tried it)
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3798 [22:15:42] <preaction> mycollab looks like it's trying to be jira, which may be a good thing?
3799 [22:15:58] <preaction> taiga does look really nice though
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3802 [22:16:45] <XinZhao> the libre options at the bottom dont look terrible either
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3804 [22:17:44] <XinZhao> I really wish something would give me collaborative mind maps
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3827 [22:28:04] <equilibrium> dudes how i connect my pc without the desktop enviroment to the internet?
3828 [22:28:15] <equilibrium> with cable
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3830 [22:28:35] <sh00p> sudo dhclient ethX
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3832 [22:28:50] <sh00p> or you can set a static ip with ipconfig
3833 [22:29:03] <greycat> This assumes your local area network has a working DHCP server.
3834 [22:29:13] <equilibrium> it has
3835 [22:29:31] <greycat> So /etc/network/interfaces should have the two lines "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
3836 [22:29:38] <greycat> That's basically it.
3837 [22:29:43] <rattking> equilibrium: replaced-url
3838 [22:30:05] <greycat> (Well, also the loopback/localhost lines. Don't touch thsoe.)
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3840 [22:30:28] <equilibrium> ok it woked
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3844 [22:34:02] <jhutchins> Yep, this whole internet/networking thing pre-dates the GUI. Even in Windows you used to have to do it on a console.
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3847 [22:35:32] <greycat> If some other piece of equipment on your network is already doing the hard bits (routing through an ISP to the internet, acting as DHCP server for the LAN) then getting a new machine onto the network is *really easy*, as we just described.
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3919 [23:09:28] <troffasky> some serious aptitude-fu posted to debian-kde: aptitude -R --visual-preview -t sid install $(aptitude search -F"%p; %v; %V; %d" -t sid '?installed(?maintainer(debian-qt-kde))'|egrep 5.8|cut -d\; -f1|tr '\n' ' ')
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3931 [23:15:29] <habs> I can suspend my laptop by running "systemctl suspend", but it seems like my laptop doesn't even attempt to suspend when I close the lid, even though my /etc/systemd/logind.conf reads "HandleLidSwitch=suspend". What can I do to debug / fix this further?
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3937 [23:16:37] <neilthereildeil> how can i permamently allow root to run X applications on my devbox?
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3939 [23:16:46] <awal1> check if that config doesn't conflict with your DE power management settings, habs
3940 [23:16:47] <habs> Actually I found the appropriate setting graphically, thanks!
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3945 [23:17:06] <habs> awal1: Yes, I didn't know DE power management could conflict
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3947 [23:18:29] <neilthereildeil> i tried setting the XAuthority file, but that didnt work
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3951 [23:19:15] <d3lphi> jelly-home: sorry for late reply. I did execute "locale" in bash
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3953 [23:19:37] <d3lphi> jelly-home: logged in through SSH, but also tried on local console
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3962 [23:25:26] <neilthereildeil> any ideas abiout XAuthority?
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3985 [23:34:58] <tahr8471> Hello guys what distro is better for old laptops, AntiX or Lite?
3986 [23:35:20] <arvind> on a fresh installed defaul jessie installation, will my computer go in hibranation when I play an mp3 on loop for the entire night while sleeping?
3987 [23:35:25] <stoned> hola mola
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3989 [23:35:36] <stoned> does debian have a infographic making software package in gui?
3990 [23:35:41] <stoned> i can't seem to locate anything.
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3992 [23:36:01] <stoned> Is there anything geard toward that? gimp sucks.
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3994 [23:37:03] <jmcnaught> stoned: have you tried inkscape?
3995 [23:37:12] <stoned> the vector one, yes
3996 [23:37:22] <stoned> I was thinking something like this
3997 [23:37:30] <stoned> but not exactly, but original bout other things
3998 [23:37:33] <stoned> hang on
3999 [23:37:40] <stoned> replaced-url
4000 [23:38:08] <stoned> I used to use something like corel draw back in the mid 90s
4001 [23:38:22] <stoned> something like that would be excellent. OO draw program is really terrible.
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4003 [23:38:50] <stoned> But yeah, this doe kind of seem vectory.
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4006 [23:39:13] <jmcnaught> stoned: inkscape is the same kind of program as corel draw or adobe illustrator. Inkscape would be a good pick for making something like ^^
4007 [23:39:24] <stoned> Okie dokie
4008 [23:39:32] <jmcnaught> or karbon
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4013 [23:40:07] <stoned> Oh I like qt.
4014 [23:40:34] <arvind> any good alternatives for vlc? it seems to crash when i want to play a mp4
4015 [23:40:44] <stoned> smplayer
4016 [23:40:50] <stoned> or mplayer
4017 [23:41:01] <stoned> I have used smplayer for years and I find it really cool
4018 [23:41:03] <AimHere> mpv seems to be the shinier newer mplayer
4019 [23:41:07] <stoned> oh yeah
4020 [23:41:14] <stoned> right, I use smplayer2 or something with mpv
4021 [23:41:16] <stoned> iirc.
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4024 [23:41:36] <stoned> 500 replaced-url
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4026 [23:41:40] <stoned> there is an old version here
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4029 [23:42:13] <stoned> 500 replaced-url
4030 [23:42:16] <arvind> what is the diff between mplayer and mplayer2?
4031 [23:42:21] <stoned> I only used the non debian version b/c of smtube.
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4033 [23:42:54] <SuperTramp83> smplayer is da king!
4034 [23:42:57] <arvind> you mix with ubuntu?
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4037 [23:43:31] <stoned> 16.9.0-1~vivid1 vs. 14.9.0~ds0-1. Stable can get a bit stale.
4038 [23:43:45] <stoned> If you don't need anything specific from a later version like I did, stick with debian's packaged version.
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4040 [23:43:56] <jmcnaught> installing packaged meant for Ubuntu on Debian is not recommended
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4043 [23:44:16] <stoned> I would not recommend it, but the option is there.
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4045 [23:44:34] <jmcnaught> totem is okay for gnome users
4046 [23:44:36] <stoned> Can't tell one what to do. Can only provide information. Let them do what they want.
4047 [23:44:39] <arvind> stoned SuperTramp83 what audio player do you guys use for looping quality mp3/flac for an enitre night?
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4051 [23:44:55] <arvind> stoned, it is much appreciated dude! :)
4052 [23:45:00] <stoned> mpoc
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4056 [23:46:14] <arvind> seems mpoc is not in jessie
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4059 [23:46:19] <stoned> Oh sorry
4060 [23:46:21] <stoned> ,v moc
4061 [23:46:22] <judd> Package: moc on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.5.0~alpha4+svn20120224-1; jessie: 1:2.5.0-1; stretch: 1:2.6.0~svn-r2848-1; sid: 1:2.6.0~svn-r2848-1; jessie-multimedia: 2:2.5.0-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 2:2.5.1-dmo1
4062 [23:46:24] <stoned> binary is mocp
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4064 [23:46:30] <stoned> I have old fingers, sorry
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4068 [23:46:54] <neredsenvy> I created a user using useradd -ms /bin/bash coreusr than I did gpasswd -a coreusr sudo. Yet this user cannot run apt-get update or install I get.
4069 [23:47:03] <neredsenvy> Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
4070 [23:47:15] <arvind> stoned, i see it seems like it is only ncruses based, is there a player with GUI?
4071 [23:47:22] <stoned> # transparent mocp music player
4072 [23:47:24] <stoned> alias m='mocp -T transparent-background'
4073 [23:47:27] <stoned> yes! moc is gui.
4074 [23:47:30] <stoned> ncurses is a gui.
4075 [23:47:35] <arvind> neredsenvy, need root
4076 [23:47:36] <neredsenvy> Should I add it to root group or /
4077 [23:47:52] <neredsenvy> arvind, so just gpasswd -a .. root
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4081 [23:48:52] <neredsenvy> Not favorable
4082 [23:48:53] <SuperTramp83> I like exaile, arvind
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4086 [23:49:26] <SuperTramp83> there was another one I really like for it is just like the old winamp, can't remember the name of the package though
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4088 [23:50:02] <stoned> replaced-url
4089 [23:50:06] <stoned> Nice gui plugin for moc
4090 [23:50:13] <stoned> stupid gui!
4091 [23:50:16] <stoned> gooey sucks :D
4092 [23:50:20] <stoned> gooey gui
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4094 [23:51:16] <SuperTramp83> stoned: qmmp
4095 [23:51:23] <stoned> NOOOOO!!!1
4096 [23:51:26] <SuperTramp83> did u try that one?
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4099 [23:51:44] <stoned> sure
4100 [23:51:47] <stoned> like when I was a kid.
4101 [23:51:49] <stoned> decades ago.
4102 [23:51:55] <SuperTramp83> hehe :)
4103 [23:51:59] <stoned> winamp, xmms, xmms2, qmmp
4104 [23:51:59] <SuperTramp83> I like it
4105 [23:52:01] <stoned> same old same old
4106 [23:52:04] <stoned> :D
4107 [23:52:07] <stoned> Good stuff. Simple.
4108 [23:52:12] <SuperTramp83> yep :P
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4110 [23:52:42] <stoned> Wow, I been on linux for over 20 years. That's crazy.
4111 [23:53:15] <SuperTramp83> minimalism ftw, although I like also heavier GUI programs when done properly, like "exaile" for instance
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4113 [23:53:27] <stoned> hm.
4114 [23:53:33] <stoned> When i gui, I only prefer Clementine.
4115 [23:53:34] <SuperTramp83> January the first will be 3 years for me :P
4116 [23:53:38] <stoned> Then again, I'm a little stoned.
4117 [23:53:41] <stoned> :D
4118 [23:53:43] <stoned> \o/
4119 [23:53:50] <stoned> ,v clementine
4120 [23:53:51] <judd> Package: clementine on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1+dfsg-2+b1; jessie: 1.2.3+dfsg-2+b1; stretch: 1.3.1+dfsg-1+b2; sid: 1.3.1+dfsg-1+b2
4121 [23:53:51] <SuperTramp83> heh.. ^^
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4123 [23:54:04] <stoned> I wonder what the new versions have
4124 [23:54:07] * stoned checks
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4126 [23:56:06] <stoned> nothing.
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