• 0[00:00:00] <_abc_> Without using rdp vnc and other nightmares.
• 1[00:00:14] <molluskempire> ?*
• 2[00:00:19] <_abc_> molluskempire: new iwconfig is called iw
• 3[00:00:32] <molluskempire> hurng, alrighty. That should be updated.
• 4[00:00:33] <mrdeb> older machines work best on linux
• 5[00:00:43] <_abc_> mrdeb: *used to work
• 6[00:00:43] <mrdeb> my pc is from 2006
• 7[00:00:44] <somiaj> molluskempire: depends on what you want to do. Many just use software like network-manager to do this. Debian allows this to be configured via /etc/interfaces. I use wpa_supplicant myself.
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• 9[00:00:52] <_abc_> Before the gtk and gnome crowd upped the bar
• 10[00:01:13] <mrdeb> they sill work ok just not on intel atom
• 11[00:01:21] <somiaj> molluskempire: sorry, /etc/network/interfaces can be used to configure wifi as well as lan in debian.
• 12[00:01:22] <mrdeb> but gnome is misguided after 3
• 13[00:01:33] <_abc_> ff >40 or so defaults to html5 play on youtube. If you have anything less than 2x2GHz cpu it will be a slug
• 14[00:01:33] <somiaj> mrdeb: please keep the noise down.
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• 16[00:01:43] <molluskempire> somiaj, I'll point out I'm a giant noob to Linux. I've spent a lot of time on Debian based distros but never on debian core. I'll start poking around though.
• 17[00:01:43] <mrdeb> what sonia
• 18[00:02:19] <somiaj> molluskempire: do you want to do this from the command line or would a graphical utility be prefered?
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• 20[00:02:59] <molluskempire> somiaj, gaphical utility is prefered but I don't mind the command line and honestly it will probably help me understand the underlying system better.
• 21[00:03:19] <somiaj> molluskempire: did you install a desktop with debian. Most will just use network-manager which should be included with your desktop.
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• 23[00:03:55] <molluskempire> somiaj, yes I installed LXDE and have network manager. IT says it sees no wireless networks.
• 24[00:04:10] <somiaj> molluskempire: have you rebooted since you isnatlled the firmware?
• 25[00:04:35] <molluskempire> Yes, i have rebooted
• 26[00:04:44] <_abc_> replaced-url
• 27[00:04:48] <mrdeb> molluskempire: did u do network-manager-gnome and start teh applet in lxde?
• 28[00:05:57] <_abc_> molluskempire: also for how things really work (pay attention to 'legacy' marks) replaced-url
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• 30[00:06:40] <Harm133> Hey, if I would use configure and make on a specific system, could I copy and paste that on another system and run the install there?
• 31[00:06:42] <molluskempire> _abc thanks I'll check those out.
• 32[00:06:51] <somiaj> molluskempire: I'm unsure why network-manager is not seeing the networks then. can I get the output of 'dmesg | grep firmware'?
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• 34[00:07:43] <somiaj> Harm133: provided all the same libaries are installed the binaries should work on another system. But in that case building a package might be a better way to manage installing/removing this on another system.
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• 36[00:08:01] <molluskempire> mrdeb, I'm actually accessing it through a direct click on my network applet in the taskbar which brings it to Wicd Network Manager. I'll try to run from command line now.
• 37[00:08:16] <molluskempire> Somiaj, I will go ahead and paste in one moment.
• 38[00:08:23] <somiaj> molluskempire: wicd and network-manager are different. But both can accomplish the same thing.
• 39[00:08:27] <Harm133> somiaj: its old version of php, and I want multiple versions, which isn't supported on debian. But thx :)
• 40[00:08:33] <mrdeb> u can use intels nm
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• 43[00:08:45] <_abc_> molluskempire: basically if your wifi card/dongle is not fully configured ifconfig -a as root will not show it.
• 44[00:09:43] <AlexPortable> E: The package webmin needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
• 45[00:09:46] <AlexPortable> how do i fix this
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• 47[00:09:51] <Harm133> somiaj: or do you mean I can build my own package ?
• 48[00:10:32] <somiaj> AlexPortable: debian doesn't provide a webmin package, so you need to figure out where you got that package. This is what debian thinks of webmin
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• 50[00:10:35] <somiaj> !webmin
• 51[00:10:35] <dpkg> Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at replaced-url
• 52[00:10:44] <AlexPortable> somiaj: i got it via sources.list
• 53[00:10:46] <AlexPortable> now how do i remove it?
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• 56[00:11:33] <somiaj> Harm133: my suggestion was if you want to distribute software across multiple machines, building a package may be a nicer way to do this. Though maybe gnu stow could help too if you just want to copy the binaries to a new system.
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• 58[00:11:39] <somiaj> AlexPortable: apt-get remove packagename
• 59[00:12:01] <AlexPortable> Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: The package webmin needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
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• 62[00:12:38] <somiaj> AlexPortable: dpkg -l | grep webmin (maybe the package is in a defunct state). You can try to use dpkg to remove it.
• 63[00:12:55] <AlexPortable> iHR webmin 1.820 all web-based administration interface for Unix systems
• 64[00:13:13] <AlexPortable> dpkg: error processing package webmin (--remove): package is in a very bad inconsistent state; you should reinstall it before attempting a removal Errors were encountered while processing: webmin
• 65[00:13:13] <dpkg> alexportable: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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• 68[00:13:37] <Guest01913> jes
• 69[00:13:49] <velix> Hmm, what can't I do "sudo -u replaced-url
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• 72[00:14:25] <somiaj> AlexPortable: that package is broken. At this point I'm unsure the best way to fix your system. dpkg has some options to force things, but you may have to maunally fix this broken package you have isntalled from some random source.
• 73[00:16:15] <somiaj> velix: what error do you get when you try to do that?
• 74[00:16:24] <AlexPortable> how do i fix it?
• 75[00:16:38] <teraflops> AlexPortable: I see you persisted with that *thing* and now your system is broken
• 76[00:16:48] <AlexPortable> yes
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• 78[00:16:59] <AlexPortable> it works fine on other systems but here it got stuck during unpacking
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• 80[00:17:24] <teraflops> I fell bad for you, perhaps it's a signal from $DEITY
• 81[00:17:43] <velix> somiaj: sudo: unknown user: replaced-url
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• 83[00:18:04] <somiaj> velix: grep replaced-url
• 84[00:18:19] <teraflops> feel*
• 85[00:18:26] <velix> somiaj: oh hell, it's replaced-url
• 86[00:18:37] <velix> somiaj: thx
• 87[00:18:45] <molluskempire> so, replaced-url
• 88[00:19:24] <molluskempire> My usb firmware is nowhere to be seen and I haven't set it up... not sure how at this point but I haven't bothered to read up on think penguin I've been more concerned trying to get the broadcom chipset to work.
• 89[00:19:45] <molluskempire> So I'll get to that later, but the b43 firmware seems to be doing just fine.
• 90[00:20:13] <somiaj> molluskempire: ip addr (do you have a wlan0 interface set up for your wireless device)?
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• 93[00:21:50] <AlexPortable> teraflops: what do you mean?
• 94[00:21:54] <molluskempire> 4: wlan0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN group default qlen 1000
• 95[00:21:54] <molluskempire> link/ether 00:23:4d:0b:53:64 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
• 96[00:21:54] <molluskempire> I don't think so as I've not set up anything.
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• 98[00:22:17] <AlexPortable> teraflops: actually im trying to install something else
• 99[00:22:20] <AlexPortable> but webmin is blocking it
• 100[00:22:24] <teraflops> AlexPortable: $DEITY is telling you: don't use that crap
• 101[00:22:32] <AlexPortable> $DEITY ?
• 102[00:22:38] <somiaj> AlexPortable: you can try to force it with the various dpkg --force options (man dpkg for more info) to see if you can fix this broken package. But webmin packages are not supported here. And unsure how badly it broke your system and if it is recoverable or you should backup/reinstall.
• 103[00:22:51] <AlexPortable> well its stuck at unpacking webmin
• 104[00:22:55] <somiaj> molluskempire: grep wlan0 /etc/network/interfaces
• 105[00:22:55] <AlexPortable> i just canceled it there
• 106[00:23:04] <AlexPortable> unpacking is debian problem
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• 110[00:23:22] <missmbob> no no no. installing random crap from other places is not a debian problem
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• 112[00:23:43] <AlexPortable> well why would it fail to unpack then
• 113[00:23:49] <Harm133> just to get into this issue, this is regarding webmin? why are people hating on it?
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• 115[00:24:05] <molluskempire> somiaj, I get no output
• 116[00:24:06] <missmbob> AlexPortable: because it's crap. didnt you read what the bot said about it being crap? or about dont break debian?
• 117[00:24:15] <AlexPortable> yes i read it
• 118[00:24:16] <somiaj> molluskempire: iwlist wlan0 scan
• 119[00:24:19] <AlexPortable> but every other system installed just fine
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• 121[00:24:32] <teraflops> it's a variable, here is replaced-url
• 122[00:24:44] <missmbob> AlexPortable: great. are you going to look into forcing it or are we going to keep going in circles?
• 123[00:24:59] <AlexPortable> missmbob: well i just want to install apache
• 124[00:25:20] <molluskempire> somiaj, wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
• 125[00:25:43] <somiaj> molluskempire: ifconfig wlan0 up -- then run that command.
• 126[00:26:34] <teraflops> AlexPortable: now seriously, it's not in debian repos how can I help going against channel rules and creating a precedent
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• 129[00:26:59] <AlexPortable> so what should i do now?
• 130[00:27:03] <AlexPortable> why is it blocking like installing apache
• 131[00:27:34] <molluskempire> Got a good number of cells of output, somiaj.
• 132[00:27:49] <somiaj> AlexPortable: you ahve to fix this broken package that has corrupted your database. One way is to try and use dpkg to force fully uninstall it and hope that there are no artifiacts left behind. But I feel this has been mentioned before.
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• 134[00:27:59] <AlexPortable> well --remove didnt work
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• 136[00:28:01] <AlexPortable> how to forcei t?
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• 138[00:28:10] <missmbob> man dpkg
• 139[00:28:13] <somiaj> molluskempire: so the iwlist wlan0 scan listed a bunch of output (like it correctly scanned for your wireless networks -- do any of the names seem reasonable
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• 141[00:29:26] <AlexPortable> E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
• 142[00:29:26] <AlexPortable> E: Unable to lock directory /var/cache/apt/archives/
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• 150[00:32:34] <molluskempire> Ah, yes my network is here.
• 151[00:32:37] <stealth_> AlexPortable, it just means you have another program open that has a lock reserved for itself.
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• 154[00:32:43] <cast> i'd reinstall the OS if someone installed webmin on one of my servers ;\
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• 156[00:32:58] <molluskempire> Somiaj, I found my network. It's definitely there. Also all of the cells were recognizable names.
• 157[00:33:06] <somiaj> molluskempire: so now we just need to figure out why wicd isn't not correctly scaning/picking up the network.
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• 159[00:33:37] <somiaj> molluskempire: but looks like your device is working. Though manually configuring it probably isn't what you want to do, so I would restart wicd and see if that helps it.
• 160[00:33:50] <molluskempire> Alright, give me a moment.
• 161[00:34:10] <AlexPortable> thx
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• 168[00:35:10] <ferna> how to run top from command line sorting by Memory?
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• 170[00:35:44] <somiaj> ferna: run top, use < and > to move the category that is sorted by. man top for more info on this
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• 172[00:36:23] <ferna> I thought theres was a cooman line solution Thanks anyway somiaj
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• 174[00:36:43] <somiaj> ferna: man top, there might be a flag that sorts by mem by default when it is run. I was just describe what i use.
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• 176[00:37:59] <ferna> Thanks again
• 177[00:38:01] <somiaj> ferna: or are you just wanting to get a snapshot of data and not active monintoring like top?
• 178[00:38:35] <ferna> where is the conf file for top so i cn edit and just tell it to give me cpu ram user and command instead off all the input?
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• 181[00:39:45] <somiaj> ferna: /etc/toprc for system, '$HOME/.your-name-4-top' + 'rc' for the user. man page has more info on this.
• 182[00:40:03] <peterrooney> ferna : please, /msg dpkg cross post
• 183[00:40:18] <ferna> Thanks
• 184[00:41:25] <mrdeb> where can u instlal gnome 2.32 on debian 8
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• 187[00:42:08] <missmbob> mrdeb: 3.22, you mean?
• 188[00:42:17] <mrdeb> no i mean the good gnome 2
• 189[00:42:21] <somiaj> mrdeb: for gnome2 use mate.
• 190[00:42:25] <doflamingo> hello. anyone can help me.. why my numlock ON after login.. and when logout, it's back to OFF..
• 191[00:42:31] <mrdeb> i know about mate, but mate is worse than gnome 2
• 192[00:42:33] <mrdeb> i want gnome 2
• 193[00:42:54] <somiaj> mrdeb: no supported way for this. You are welcome to compile it and install it locally, but that isn't supported here.
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• 195[00:43:21] <teraflops> even mate is going to gtk3
• 196[00:43:48] <mrdeb> so debian 7 uses gnome 2
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• 200[00:44:19] <somiaj> even wheezy was using 3.4. There is no supported release still using gnome2.
• 201[00:44:35] <mrdeb> so i can go back to debian 7
• 202[00:44:39] <awal1> mrdeb, xfce is a very good DE. you can do with it almost just what you want, even make it look just as gnome2
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• 204[00:45:07] <somiaj> mrdeb: debian doesn't provide a downgrade path. And wheezy is no longer supported for desktops. So you will have many inscure desktop pacakges if using wheezy.
• 205[00:45:17] <molluskempire> somiaj, either quitting wicd from the gui didn't kill it completely or debian thinks it's still running the daemon.
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• 208[00:45:30] <molluskempire> Which would make sesne seeing as I still have connection.
• 209[00:45:37] <somiaj> molluskempire: yea use systemctl to restart it. systemctl restart wicd may be it.
• 210[00:45:48] <mrdeb> so they need to stop doing gnome 3, and put in gnome 2 again
• 211[00:45:55] <mrdeb> please make sure they hvae a meeting on this
• 212[00:46:03] <awal1> :D
• 213[00:46:11] <somiaj> mrdeb: they won't. gnome2 is not supported by anyone these days.
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• 216[00:47:29] <mrdeb> please have then talk about it
• 217[00:47:30] <mrdeb> ty!
• 218[00:48:01] <missmbob> "something using stretch and thinks it's sid wants gnome2, pronto!"
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• 221[00:48:27] <cra1g321> want gnome 2 ? use xfce or mate
• 222[00:48:44] <molluskempire> ran the command and it gave no feedback, wicd gui restart still shows no wireless connections active.
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• 225[00:49:00] <molluskempire> somiaj, think I should do a hard reset of the OS and see if things are running?
• 226[00:49:39] <somiaj> molluskempire: you could try and see if it just works. I'm unsure why wicd is not correctly scanning with y our wlan inteface. It looks like it is working.
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• 232[00:52:01] <molluskempire> worst comes to worst I can just connect to networks through the command line but that's pretty inconvenient.
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• 251[00:58:38] <molluskempire> Well, that didn't work.
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• 253[00:59:35] <boubou> On $rcmail_config['default_host'] = ''; how can I substitute it by $rcmail_config['default_host'] = 'localhost'; using sed or anything else
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• 255[00:59:39] <boubou> ??
• 256[01:00:27] <boubou> Tried sed -i "s/^$rcmail_config[\'default_host\'] = .*/$rcmail_config[\'default_host\'] = \'localhost\';/" /etc/roundcube/main.inc.php
• 257[01:00:32] <boubou> but it didnt work
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• 263[01:03:24] <molluskempire> That's so wierd.
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• 266[01:04:34] <molluskempire> Alright
• 267[01:04:39] <molluskempire> Just noticed in wicd
• 268[01:04:50] <molluskempire> wireless interface is blank. Do I need to set this to wlan0?
• 269[01:05:02] <molluskempire> Oh wow
• 270[01:05:06] <molluskempire> I'm stupid.
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• 273[01:05:49] <molluskempire> I'm guessing that wasn't automatically configured because I didn't have the firmware set up for a wireless to even be detected at that point, yeah?
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• 277[01:06:30] <somiaj> molluskempire: so you got it to work in wicd? good to hear.
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• 280[01:07:20] <molluskempire> Yeah, the wireless interface was left blank. I wonder if this is out there as instructions on the web somewhere.
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• 291[01:09:57] <molluskempire> Woo! Free from the ethernet tether.
• 292[01:10:01] <molluskempire> Thank you so much everyone.
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• 296[01:11:42] <ferna> How do I insert after the last line in vi?
• 297[01:12:26] <th0r> ferna, 'i' puts you in 'insert' mode
• 298[01:12:38] <ferna> Last line please after last line
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• 300[01:13:08] <th0r> ferna, go down as far as you can and then hit 'i'. You should then be able to add additional lines with an enter
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• 302[01:13:27] <th0r> ferna, (or add any other text you need)
• 303[01:13:59] <th0r> ferna, you might also consider trying nano instead of vi...it is easier to master
• 304[01:14:01] <ferna> th0r: Go That will do it , thanks for helping anyway
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• 317[01:20:07] <somiaj> ferna: replaced-url
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• 319[01:20:49] <random_numbers> My jessie install seems not to honor .xsession
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• 321[01:21:17] <somiaj> random_numbers: not honor it in what way. are you running startx or are you loading a predefined session from a display manager?
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• 323[01:21:45] <random_numbers> Installed i3, set it to load in the GUI login screen.
• 324[01:21:58] <random_numbers> Does that mean my settings should be in .xessionrc rather than .xsession?
• 325[01:22:36] <somiaj> random_numbers: what display manager are you using?
• 326[01:22:47] <random_numbers> I don't know.
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• 329[01:23:05] <random_numbers> I installed on a system that originally used xfce4.
• 330[01:23:30] <random_numbers> '/usr/sbin/lightdm'
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• 334[01:24:56] <somiaj> random_numbers: and in light dm you select 'i3' as the session to load? Anyways you can look in /etc/X11, .xsession I think is only read if you choose default or somethign like that. If you choose a specific session it will use that over the .xsession in home.
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• 337[01:25:32] <random_numbers> I see. Thanks.
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• 350[01:33:36] <AlexPortable> im setting up a wifi hotspot
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• 354[01:33:52] <AlexPortable> people login on a webpage which submits to firewall tables to get acess
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• 357[01:33:56] <AlexPortable> but how can i prevent multiple entries?
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• 359[01:35:17] <missmbob> you'll want to log ip/mac/datetime to a database. then simply run a query
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• 361[01:35:56] <AlexPortable> just put them in mysql or text file
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• 363[01:36:10] <missmbob> i'd use mysql
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• 446[02:20:28] <hydr0poniX> debian keeps freezing up for some reason and I was wondering how to troubleshoot that. None of the logs are showing a specific reason for the freeze.
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• 450[02:22:33] <hydr0poniX> it becomes so unresponsive I have to cold reboot
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• 501[02:47:25] <gasull> I am trying to obexfs within fstab. I can mount using obexfs in the command line, but not using the mount command. The line in fstab is this:
• 502[02:47:26] <gasull> obexfs#-bAA-BB-CC-DD-EE-FF /media/gasull/opo fuse user 0 0
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• 507[02:48:38] <gasull> mount fails without output returning error 255.
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• 520[02:55:12] <franka> hi
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• 522[02:56:50] <franka> i built a raid5 with 4 2TB hdds. i wonder what the status "active sync" means. the leds of the drives are blinking every second and the drives are making noises. does it mean that the drives are synchronizing data?
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• 524[02:57:35] <franka> the raid has dm_crypt on it so i suppose it has a lot to sync
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• 546[03:11:46] <franka> here is some data. is everything alright? replaced-url
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• 548[03:12:42] <hydr0poniX> what application should I use to troubleshoot system freezes? Debian keeps freezing
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• 550[03:14:28] <hydr0poniX> active channel
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• 553[03:16:23] <lethu> hydr0poniX, nanno /var/log/kern.log
• 554[03:16:41] <lethu> then look for errors or something suspicious
• 555[03:17:25] <hydr0poniX> ok thank you lethu
• 556[03:17:31] <stoned> hello
• 557[03:17:35] <stoned> The evening is good
• 558[03:17:41] <stoned> Debian is stable.
• 559[03:17:45] <lethu> hydr0poniX, np
• 560[03:17:52] <lethu> nano*
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• 563[03:18:30] <franka> please query or highlight me if you want to answer my question i read it after sleep.
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• 604[03:34:42] <N0wayz> howdy all
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• 607[03:35:08] <monoxane> Hola
• 608[03:35:12] <monoxane> Hi
• 609[03:35:17] <monoxane> Hello
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• 711[04:45:02] <jeddi> i'm trying to automate timezone updates - i change /etc/timezone to my preferred (Australia/Sydney) and then run dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive tzdata ... but it reverts /etc/timezone to Etc/UTC ... do I definitely need to start fiddling with debconf preseeding guff here or can I bruteforce it more easily?
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• 719[04:50:47] <halvors> Any idea why i'm getting this when trying to use "netstat-net"? replaced-url
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• 721[04:51:28] <jeddi> lsmod | grep iptable
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• 725[04:51:44] <jeddi> if you get nothing back .. you need to insmod iptable and iptable_nat (iirc)
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• 727[04:52:28] <halvors> jeddi: This should be ok right? replaced-url
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• 731[04:53:39] <jeddi> yup - that should be it - ip_tables is definitely there.
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• 733[04:54:02] <halvors> jeddi: Package broken then?
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• 737[04:54:41] <jeddi> halvors: really not sure, sorry. file runs, package is probably okay, have yo run this on another similarly configured machine? (your hostname is a worry :)
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• 739[04:55:12] <jeddi> halvors: does 'iptables --list -n' work?
• 740[04:55:16] <jeddi> (as in produce output, no errors)
• 741[04:55:29] <themill> jeddi: debconf is not a registry. It's there to provide answers to questions that you've not yet seen, not to clobber your config files with questions you answered some time ago
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• 744[04:56:46] <halvors> jeddi: Haha, it's an organization that is called "Infected" :P
• 745[04:57:00] <jeddi> themill: agreed and understood. SO and other sites are suggesting changing /etc/timezone and then running the non-interactive dpkg-reconfigure SHOULD update /etc/localtime --- but instead dpkg-reconfigure reverts /etc/timezone ... i've brute forced it by updating /etc/timezone and the symlink at /etc/localtime and then running the dpkg-reconfigure - this seems to work better.
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• 748[04:57:57] <jeddi> themill: also this is an image on digitalocean, where they've answered the tz question for me :) i could cut a new base image before deploying further, but that's a lot of effort compared to ...
• 749[04:57:59] <Nowayz> Is there a kernel equivalent to systemd-analyze blame for the kernel startup time
• 750[04:58:07] <Nowayz> Instead of the usermode
• 751[04:58:30] <themill> jeddi: /var/lib/dpkg/info/tzdata.config is enlightening
• 752[04:58:32] <Nowayz> I've got 6 seconds kernel startup right now and 200ms usermode and I'm not sure how to narrow down which things to tweak
• 753[04:59:12] <jeddi> themill: aha - so looks like /etc/timezone would be updated by a change to the symlink /etc/localtime ...
• 754[04:59:18] <jeddi> themill: fun times.
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• 758[05:00:19] <jeddi> halvors: perhaps you need the nf_conntrack kernel module?
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• 760[05:03:09] <halvors> jeddi: It is loaded as well...
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• 762[05:05:05] <halvors> I'll file an bug report on this, seems that the package is outdated somehow.
• 763[05:05:12] <halvors> Thanks for help :)
• 764[05:05:16] <Nowayz> Anybody know where I can read about the kernel boot process??
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• 766[05:07:01] <jeddi> halvors: yeah, sorry, edge of my experience there.
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• 803[05:43:06] <iframe> find a bitch
• 804[05:43:20] <iframe> AND FUCK HER RIGHT IN THE PUSSY!
• 805[05:44:24] <dax> iframe: That's enough. Go find something better to do than being silly in freenode channels, thanks.
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• 807[05:44:53] <iframe> dax, why?
• 808[05:45:21] <dax> iframe: because otherwise you'll get k-lined, then you'll waste time coming back, then you'll get k-lined again, etc.
• 809[05:45:26] <dax> So you could just not instead.
• 810[05:45:32] <iframe> dax, sure
• 811[05:45:40] <iframe> how do you know I would come back?
• 812[05:45:45] <iframe> maybe i'd go spam snoonet
• 813[05:45:49] * dax shrug
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• 828[05:56:40] <pingfloyd> put the bottle down and go to bed
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• 864[06:27:00] <Elronnd> I can't launch steam
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• 866[06:27:06] <Elronnd> I get the following errors: replaced-url
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• 872[06:29:58] <alexandrov> Driver issues.
• 873[06:30:04] <alexandrov> Idk much about this.
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• 878[06:31:13] <Elronnd> hmm
• 879[06:31:28] <Elronnd> the debian wiki page says to install it through apt, and notes that "Instructions are for Jessie and Sid systems only. Do not do this on Wheezy or you will break your system."
• 880[06:31:34] <Elronnd> would this work for stretch as well, then?
• 881[06:32:23] <alexandrov> idk, I'm using Jessie
• 882[06:32:41] <alexandrov> nvr hv used stretch before.
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• 897[06:39:11] <Elronnd> alright, I installed from the pkg manager, and now it works
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• 920[06:48:26] <kennyrogers> replaced-url
• 921[06:48:44] <kennyrogers> University of Lethbridge suspends prof who questioned Holocaust
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• 923[06:49:07] <kennyrogers> The tenured professor of liberal education and globalization studies swiftly responded with a video posted to YouTube.
• 924[06:49:39] <kennyrogers> In it, Hall speaks of his 26 years of contributions to the university and expresses sympathy for university president Mike Mahon, who he says was subjected to great pressure by B’nai Brith Canada, the Jewish advocacy organization that he claims “has essentially taken control of my university’s administration.”
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• 926[06:50:35] <jmcnaught> !ops racist spam
• 927[06:50:35] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: racist spam
• 928[06:50:50] <kennyrogers> replaced-url
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• 931[06:52:25] <gravitysix> replaced-url
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• 935[06:53:23] <pellerrex> This was an immediate heartfelt response by Professor Tony Hall recorded moments after this tenured faculty member was suspended without pay. It was filmed & then uploaded by Jeremy Rothe-Kushel to let people know about the assault on Hall, and by implication, the assault on tenure, the bastion of academic freedom in institutions of higher learning.
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• 937[06:54:20] <peterrooney> !ops spam
• 938[06:54:20] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: peterrooney complains about: spam
• 939[06:57:24] <erdave> hello, is there a way to use the "cut" command to a string variable from bash?
• 940[06:59:30] <jmcnaught> erdave: 'echo $MYSTR | cut'
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• 943[07:01:07] <erdave> jmcnaught: thanks, that actually works, but I was thinking more in a script. Or that works for a script too?
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• 945[07:02:56] <somiaj> if you can do it from the cli you can run it in a script.
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• 951[07:10:14] <erdave> somiaj: true! I'm starting writing my shell scripts... thanks!
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• 955[07:12:00] <girlinrogue> replaced-url
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• 959[07:12:46] <girlinrogue> Defend academic freedom. FREE PROFESSOR ANTHONY HALL.
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• 965[07:13:58] <iahcDM> Hello i cant install
• 966[07:13:59] <iahcDM> sdl
• 967[07:14:12] <iahcDM> simple direct media layer
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• 969[07:14:57] <erdave> the right way to get the output of a program to a variable, should be: "list=$(ls *.txt)" but it ain't working as expected.
• 970[07:15:16] <somiaj> erdave: list=`ls *.txt`
• 971[07:15:27] <somiaj> erdave: there is also a #bash channel
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• 973[07:15:53] <iahcDM> somiaj, its with double parenthesis
• 974[07:15:57] <millisone> replaced-url
• 975[07:16:09] <somiaj> iahcDM: ahh, yea I guess that works too.
• 976[07:16:13] <iahcDM> echo $((2+3)) wuold output 5
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• 981[07:16:30] <iahcDM> :D
• 982[07:16:57] <somiaj> iahcDM: what package are you trying to install for sdl, looks like a bunch of libs to me.
• 983[07:17:29] <erdave> somiaj: but that its returning me that specific string (ls -l), not the output of the "ls" command.
• 984[07:17:37] <iahcDM> just installing a game that need sdl but it say not found i think just the normal package
• 985[07:18:31] <jmcnaught> erdave: replaced-url
• 986[07:18:34] <somiaj> erdave: just tested it, list='ls' && echo $list gave me the output of ls
• 987[07:18:43] <somiaj> arg list=`ls`
• 988[07:18:51] <iahcDM> it doesnt work with simple parenthesis need to be 2
• 989[07:18:54] <somiaj> iahcDM: what game package?
• 990[07:19:06] <iahcDM> themanaworld.org game
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• 992[07:19:13] <iahcDM> i mean libsdl package
• 993[07:19:22] <somiaj> iahcDM: or is this just some third party game and you need to install the correct libs? Does the game instructions say what version of libsdl it needs or what packages?
• 994[07:19:29] <somiaj> ls
• 995[07:19:40] <iahcDM> i will ask if i need 1.2 or 2.0 sdl
• 996[07:20:19] <somiaj> iahcDM: I see various libsdl packages. If you could find which .so it links against you could use apt-file or packages.debian.org to see what lib provides that .so file.
• 997[07:20:20] <jmcnaught> iahcDM: there's a package for that in backports
• 998[07:20:55] <iahcDM> backports? sorry taht i dont know whats that
• 999[07:21:04] <iahcDM> just another repository?
• 1000[07:21:08] <jmcnaught> iahcDM: err.. no i'm mistaken, i backported
• 1001[07:21:23] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell iahcDM about bdo
• 1002[07:21:32] <iahcDM> thanks
• 1003[07:22:20] <jmcnaught> iahcDM: ask dpkg about 'ssb' which is an easy, straight forward way to compile packages from unstable on jessie
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• 1005[07:22:37] <jmcnaught> iahcDM: a lot easier than trying to compile it by hand
• 1006[07:22:44] <iahcDM> i got debian 4.0.4
• 1007[07:22:50] <iahcDM> ok
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• 1009[07:23:20] <iahcDM> go v3g4n
• 1010[07:23:22] <jmcnaught> iahcDM: where does it say 4.0.4?
• 1011[07:23:55] <iahcDM> oh no taht was my distro number
• 1012[07:24:09] <iahcDM> but is lastrest debian i think
• 1013[07:24:17] <iahcDM> i use my distro repos
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• 1015[07:24:24] <iahcDM> kali linux
• 1016[07:24:27] <somiaj> iahcDM: can you paste the output of apt-cache policy at paste.debian.net
• 1017[07:24:30] <somiaj> oh you ahve kali, that is not debian
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• 1019[07:24:32] <somiaj> !kali
• 1020[07:24:32] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 1021[07:24:38] <v3g4n> iahcDM: ;^D
• 1022[07:24:43] <iahcDM> but is based on debian
• 1023[07:25:21] <iahcDM> okay thank you anyways and when i have my new computer i will put debian not kali
• 1024[07:25:25] <iahcDM> ;)
• 1025[07:25:45] <iahcDM> !ubuntu
• 1026[07:25:45] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
• 1027[07:27:26] <iahcDM> i will stay however cause i like to see what you talking about programming
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• 1029[07:29:19] <alexandrov> !debian
• 1030[07:29:19] <dpkg> [debian] replaced-url
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• 1032[07:29:25] <alexandrov> !mint
• 1033[07:29:26] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
• 1034[07:29:36] <missmbob> guys.../msg the bot please
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• 1038[07:32:13] <pingfloyd> iahcDM: "The fact of the matter is, however, that Kali is a Linux distribution specifically geared towards professional penetration testers and security specialists, and given its unique nature, it is NOT a recommended distribution if you’re unfamiliar with Linux or are looking for a general-purpose Linux desktop distribution for development, web design, gaming, etc."
• 1039[07:32:16] <pingfloyd> replaced-url
• 1040[07:33:13] <iahcDM> i should use it, but really i get much distraction with games
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• 1043[07:33:44] <pingfloyd> iahcDM: that's up to you, but you should read that link I gave so you understand what its intended purpose is for.
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• 1045[07:34:42] <iahcDM> i will do it, but i know for what it is, forensic hackerish pen test. i use it since backtrack 4
• 1046[07:35:25] <iahcDM> all sort of kinds thats why its named "kali"
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• 1048[07:36:41] <pingfloyd> your libsdl issue likely wouldn't be an issue in debian stable since it has both libsdl 1.2 and 2 libs available
• 1049[07:36:58] <iahcDM> know kali ---> replaced-url
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• 1055[07:44:39] <iahcDM> which is the lastest debian codename?
• 1056[07:44:50] <iahcDM> sid?
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• 1058[07:45:27] <iahcDM> !debian
• 1059[07:45:27] <dpkg> from memory, debian is replaced-url
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• 1063[07:46:18] <iahcDM> have a good weekend be back tomorro
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• 1073[08:05:01] <masters> hello, after i,am make multiseat x, do not work switch to console (ctrl alt f1..ctrl alt f6)
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• 1113[08:44:46] <hapciu> oau
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• 1122[08:49:26] <cplemaster> does anyone here have experience with proxmox?
• 1123[08:51:01] <missmbob> !proxmox
• 1124[08:51:01] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
• 1125[08:51:05] <missmbob> wrong place
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• 1139[08:56:00] <cplemaster> missmbob, I know, I have joined the proxmox channel and asked my question but I was curious here as well
• 1140[08:56:09] <cplemaster> thank you though
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• 1211[09:40:23] <franka> okay i have investigated further. the raid i just installed writes and reads data without me accessing it. i think it is copying data over: replaced-url
• 1212[09:41:07] <franka> is this the initial copy? it took the last 7 hours and is continuing. 4 2TB HDDs are involved.
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• 1215[09:41:37] <franka> when having the encrypted raid mounted the sound drives me mad
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• 1218[09:41:59] <franka> the leds are flashing every second.
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• 1235[09:55:40] <user8086> hi all, i ran apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade and now it is stuck at setting up man-db (2.7.0.2-5), apt has been "building database of manual pages ..." forever!!!
• 1236[09:55:53] <user8086> how do i get it to complete?
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• 1240[09:59:08] <user8086> Debian 8.6
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• 1249[10:06:44] <deego> user8086: how long has it been stuck?
• 1250[10:06:54] <deego> 20 mins? more?
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• 1269[10:14:29] <user8086> deego: yes, about half an hour now
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• 1271[10:14:47] <gebruiker> guys, i just want the numix-theme from sid on my jessie install.
• 1272[10:14:55] <gebruiker> what can I do to get this ?
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• 1293[10:22:04] <crash_> what?
• 1294[10:22:26] <gebruiker> crash_: do you by chance know why the default vlc comes out looking like an old UI?
• 1295[10:22:39] <gebruiker> crash_: it does not seem to take my GTK theme
• 1296[10:22:47] <deego> user8086: hm. it might be stuck, then. you might want to inspect top output to see if it's still doing anything ..
• 1297[10:23:06] <deego> user8086: that is, is it consuming cpu cycles?
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• 1300[10:23:11] <deego> see pstree
• 1301[10:23:40] <TomTomTo1> gebruiker: vlc uses qt4 afaik.
• 1302[10:24:20] <gebruiker> TomTomTo1: any alternative recommendations that is equal or better than vlc?
• 1303[10:24:42] <conformist> mpv
• 1304[10:24:43] <deego> user8086: whan an upgrade gets stuck, i sometimes kill a subprocess. If something breaks, apt-get -f install will later (almost always) fix it..
• 1305[10:24:58] <gebruiker> or is it just installing qt with a config to enable the gtk?
• 1306[10:25:13] <user8086> deego: bash---su---bash---apt-get---dpkg---frontend---man-db.postinst---mandb
• 1307[10:25:24] <user8086> this is in pstree
• 1308[10:25:40] <deego> user8086: is that mandb actually donig anything? cpu %age?
• 1309[10:25:42] <TomTomTo1> qt and gtk are completely different gui toolkits. you can't enable one or the other.
• 1310[10:26:36] <user8086> deego: apt-get is showing up in top
• 1311[10:26:50] <user8086> ~6% CPU
• 1312[10:27:12] <deego> user8086: idk. if you like, set a timer for another half an hour... then break it if it's still working
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• 1314[10:28:07] <user8086> deego: i am going to kill apt-get and then try apt-get -f install, its close to an hour now since apt got stuck
• 1315[10:28:23] <deego> sounds good to me
• 1316[10:28:30] <user8086> except that CTRL+C doesn't seem to be killing it
• 1317[10:28:43] <deego> yeah, i'd kill the mandb process
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• 1325[10:32:13] <troffasky> perhaps dpkg is reading the manual
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• 1412[11:17:05] <slavanap> I have an console app that start and runs. Has some output (log). Could you show me how to create service file (systemd) for it?
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• 1444[11:28:28] <ongy> quick question, does the installer preseed mechanism support download via https?
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• 1449[11:29:23] <t0by> Hi. I am using Jessie but the state of Evolution (and Gnome 14 in general) bugs me. Is there a quick way to install a more recent version short of compiling from source?
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• 1451[11:30:41] <babilen> t0by: Don't think so .. backporting all of Gnome would be a nightmare and you would, IMHO, be better off just tracking testing in a testing/unstable mix directly
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• 1453[11:30:47] <babilen> (cf. /msg dpkg tum)
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• 1458[11:32:08] <babilen> Or use a distribution that ships a newer version in its stable release right away
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• 1465[11:34:41] <t0by> babilen, oh, nice... that would replace my current gnome, though, right?
• 1466[11:34:50] <babilen> It would, yes
• 1467[11:35:02] <babilen> (don't you want a newer Gnome?)
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• 1469[11:35:22] <t0by> babilen, to be honest what I really want is a working evolution
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• 1471[11:35:30] <t0by> which is not in the backports
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• 1474[11:35:42] <t0by> however I am very very scared of tracking testing
• 1475[11:35:48] <gitgud> hi there. anyone here used LUKS ?
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• 1477[11:36:11] <t0by> How well can I expect tracking testing and installing evolution from there to work
• 1478[11:36:13] <t0by> *?
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• 1481[11:36:25] <babilen> It might be possible to backport evolution, but it is very deeply connecting to the entire Gnome infrastructure and you would end up essentially backporting everything and the kitchen sink
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• 1485[11:37:35] <babilen> t0by: Tracking testing is okay, but does, naturally, come with its challenges. I wouldn't recommend it if you are new to Debian and aren't in a position to, say, edit maintainer scripts if you have to.
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• 1487[11:37:50] <babilen> t0by: You might want to read replaced-url
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• 1490[11:38:17] <babilen> Note that I am not recommending tracking testing, but simply saying that doing that is definitely a lot easier than maintaining the entire Gnome stack yourself
• 1491[11:38:32] <babilen> gitgud: Many people do, so: Yes
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• 1493[11:39:02] <gitgud> babilen, i am wanting to ask if i could get the cryptsetup to read a custom LUKS header directory from a USB
• 1494[11:39:24] <gitgud> well could be USB or another directory but yes. i would rather keep it separate from its original position. is there a way to do that?
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• 1498[11:40:24] <babilen> No idea, there might
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• 1501[11:40:34] <gitgud> oh i see. ok
• 1502[11:40:45] <babilen> dpkg: anyone
• 1503[11:40:45] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
• 1504[11:40:54] <babilen> gitgud: ^ that was the background to my question
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• 1506[11:41:26] <babilen> s/question/comment
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• 1508[11:41:48] <gitgud> i see
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• 1511[11:42:54] <babilen> I know that you can keep a keyfile on USB, but I never came across what you are trying to do. That really doesn't mean that it can't be done though
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• 1518[11:48:31] <hemebond> Is anyone using Cloud Init to configure the hostname of a Debian Jessie instance on AWS?
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• 1522[11:50:37] <babilen> hemebond: Be the first!
• 1523[11:50:52] <hemebond> What are you doing in here?
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• 1525[11:51:06] <hemebond> Too much babilen around these parts.
• 1526[11:51:27] <hemebond> I've tried it, btw. Doesn't seem to work using the hostname configuration parameter.
• 1527[11:51:27] <babilen> heh
• 1528[11:52:05] <hemebond> I've had to resort to echo'ing the hostname into the hosts and hostname files.
• 1529[11:52:27] <hemebond> No wait, I'm using my_set_hostname and my_etc_hosts
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• 1532[11:53:49] <babilen> There appears to be a #cloud-init channel
• 1533[11:54:19] <hemebond> Would it not be a Debian issue though?
• 1534[11:54:30] <hemebond> Maybe it's a version thing.
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• 1538[11:56:03] <t0by> hemebond, you could say it's a babilen zoo.
• 1539[11:56:05] <t0by> HAR HAR
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• 1554[12:01:20] <hemebond> t0by: Definitely need some cages around here.
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• 1556[12:01:40] <t0by> er replaced-url
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• 1558[12:01:54] <t0by> in case I am the only one who got my own lame joke :P
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• 1566[12:03:46] <hemebond> t0by: LOL, sorry but it did go over my head :-(
• 1567[12:03:58] <hemebond> ooh, Spaceman.
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• 1569[12:04:24] <hemebond> Oh wow, I remember them.
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• 1574[12:06:16] <liliprune> hello, i just need to know, i've upgraded from wheezy sid to jessie on a old tower (saved from destruction ^^) every things is working except the sound, with cat /proc/asound/cards the anwser is : 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
• 1575[12:06:16] <liliprune> HDA Intel at 0xffa3c000 irq 42
• 1576[12:06:16] <liliprune> Does it mean no sound card ?
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• 1652[12:59:52] <debrisRat> hi! :))
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• 1671[13:07:10] <hemebond> Looks like my Debian Jessie hostname issue is likely because the systemd-hostnamed service fails to start.
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• 1677[13:10:53] <teraflops> hemebond: mind sharing the output of systemctl --failed and systemctl status systemd-hostnamed.service ?
• 1678[13:11:30] <hemebond> Will do.
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• 1681[13:12:27] <hemebond> replaced-url
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• 1683[13:13:30] <teraflops> hemebond: read the fine output ;)
• 1684[13:13:53] <hemebond> Are you talking about nss-myhostname?
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• 1686[13:14:42] <ongy> is there a simple resource how to build udeb for debian installer? The only thing I can find points to building normal debs, which doesn't explain simple scripts, it seems more for "real" packages
• 1687[13:15:11] <teraflops> hemebond: is this debian also stock debian not a frankendebian?
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• 1689[13:15:36] <hemebond> teraflops: It's the AWS Debian Jessie AMI.
• 1690[13:15:38] <teraflops> hemebond: or vps like aws or similar?
• 1691[13:15:40] <teraflops> a
• 1692[13:15:42] <teraflops> ah*
• 1693[13:15:45] <serard> Hello
• 1694[13:16:08] <teraflops> hemebond: try apt-get update && apt-get install dbus
• 1695[13:16:16] <serard> I have a systemd service.unit, and it runs a node that is spawning fbi (framebufferimage), which needs a tty. Is it possible to have one ?
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• 1698[13:17:35] <hemebond> teraflops: That has allowed systemd-hostnamed to start.
• 1699[13:17:46] <teraflops> of course it did :P
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• 1701[13:17:50] <serard> I get ioctl VT_GETSTATE inappropriate ioctl for device (not a linux console ?)
• 1702[13:18:03] <hemebond> I wonder if they've fixed that in the 8.6 AMI.
• 1703[13:18:11] <teraflops> go ask them ^
• 1704[13:18:50] <hemebond> "them"?
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• 1706[13:19:22] <teraflops> hemebond: it's not debian related at all so ask your provider, that's what I meant
• 1707[13:19:33] <hemebond> It's not Debian?
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• 1709[13:19:43] <hemebond> They're listed on the Debian website.
• 1710[13:19:56] <teraflops> hemebond: ok stop doing silly ?
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• 1717[13:20:48] <hemebond> Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying.
• 1718[13:20:54] <hemebond> replaced-url
• 1719[13:20:55] <teraflops> hemebond: i
• 1720[13:20:59] <teraflops> oops
• 1721[13:21:04] <teraflops> tabfailed
• 1722[13:21:10] <hemebond> Are these not proper/official Debian images?
• 1723[13:21:13] <du5tball> can i somehow tell apt / aptitude to show me which repo a package comes from?
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• 1727[13:22:17] <udit043> du5tball : replaced-url
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• 1732[13:23:03] <teraflops> hemebond: you meant is an official debian build?
• 1733[13:23:17] <hemebond> Yeah
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• 1735[13:23:25] <teraflops> ah, hmm
• 1736[13:23:26] <hemebond> I mean it's not a random community AMI.
• 1737[13:23:29] <teraflops> im not sure
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• 1739[13:23:55] <du5tball> udit043: thanks
• 1740[13:24:03] <hemebond> replaced-url
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• 1742[13:24:07] <babilen> They are created by replaced-url
• 1743[13:24:12] <babilen> (iirc)
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• 1746[13:25:19] <teraflops> hemebond: well if that's the case sorry for being wrong, there is a "For discussion about Debian on various cloud providers, please visit Debian-Cloud mailing list."
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• 1749[13:26:28] <teraflops> lol No Support is offered for this product.
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• 1753[13:28:31] <hemebond> Looks like I'm still using 8.3 so I'll give 8.6 a go and see if they've added dbus.
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• 1766[13:32:43] <du5tball> does debian and the backports keep old versions? say i specify to install certbot with a specific version from the backports, will that still work even if a new version is out?
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• 1770[13:33:55] <teraflops> hold the package them I suppose, not a great idea holding packages
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• 1772[13:34:44] <teraflops> what I wonder is why do you need a certain version of certbot
• 1773[13:35:03] <teraflops> then*
• 1774[13:35:05] <du5tball> that's not exactly the point. i'm trying to get certbot to install on a deb8 via puppet, and for all i know certbot is only available in the backports. however, puppet doesn't easily install stuff from the backports, you have to feed it a version too
• 1775[13:35:22] <teraflops> ah
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• 1777[13:36:18] <du5tball> trust me, if i knew another way, i wouldn't go through this pain. this process requires me to... specify all packages including versions from the backports in puppet. it doesn't do the dependency handling for backports.
• 1778[13:37:33] <serard> Anyone with systemd service.unit and tty problem resolution ? :)
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• 1786[13:40:51] <teraflops> serard: local or remote?
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• 1789[13:41:46] <serard> teraflops, local
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• 1791[13:42:27] <serard> teraflops, I need a tty to run fbi software, spawned by a nodejs script (this nodejs script is ran by the ExecStart service unit def)
• 1792[13:42:41] <hemebond> Still broken in 8.6
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• 1794[13:43:09] <teraflops> serard: did you set up framebuffer? do you have a /dev/video | /dev/fb or whatever it's named?
• 1795[13:43:36] <serard> the unit targets multi-user.target
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• 1797[13:43:45] <serard> so I guess it's ok at this stage to get a /dev/fb
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• 1799[13:44:08] <serard> right now I'm under GUI of raspbian, and I can ls /dev/fb0
• 1800[13:44:14] <dokma> Is libg++ part of Debian?
• 1801[13:44:23] <dokma> I can't seem to find it.
• 1802[13:44:35] <serard> teraflops, but I don't have a /dev/video
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• 1804[13:44:42] <teraflops> serard: again did you setup framebuffer? can you just run fbi by hand there?
• 1805[13:44:53] <teraflops> on tty^
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• 1807[13:45:20] <serard> right now, if I ctrl+alt+f1 to get a new tty, logging in, the script run as expected
• 1808[13:45:40] <serard> teraflops, I don't know how to setup framebuffer via systemd service unit
• 1809[13:45:59] <serard> I thought targetting multi-user.target would be good to get all these
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• 1811[13:46:31] <teraflops> serard: mind sharing the systemd unit?
• 1812[13:46:36] <serard> sure
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• 1814[13:47:18] <serard> replaced-url
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• 1819[13:48:43] <teraflops> serard: it's not my intention being a dick but please use replaced-url
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• 1822[13:49:17] <serard> ok, sorry, was not aware of paste.debian.net, and did not wanted to put this on my github gist. Will do next
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• 1825[13:50:36] <serard> teraflops, be aware I'm running raspbian latest (Linux raspberrypi 4.4.21-v7+ #911 SMP Thu Sep 15 14:22:38 BST 2016 armv7l GNU/Linux)
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• 1827[13:51:02] <serard> systemd 215 \n +PAM +AUDIT +SELINUX +IMA +SYSVINIT +LIBCRYPTSETUP +GCRYPT +ACL +XZ -SECCOMP -APPARMOR
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• 1830[13:51:56] <teraflops> ugh nodejs :P
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• 1837[13:53:49] <teraflops> serard: tried something like replaced-url
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• 1839[13:54:33] <serard> can I replace tty4 by tty0 so that is shows up on default tty ?
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• 1841[13:55:02] <serard> goal is to have a headless raspbian, that when booting, starts a splashscreen then load mp4 files and read them
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• 1843[13:55:03] <teraflops> serard: well idk about raspbian though, you better as in raspbian for proper support
• 1844[13:55:18] <serard> idk ?
• 1845[13:55:29] <teraflops> I don't know
• 1846[13:55:46] <serard> I'm on raspbian chan too, not much answers on a sunday :)
• 1847[13:55:53] <serard> thank you for your help anyway :)
• 1848[13:55:56] <teraflops> np
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• 1851[13:57:26] <teraflops> serard: systemd spawns tty while needed so I'm not sure about specifying a random tty , and I don't have framebuffer either so that's my only contribution for your issue ;)
• 1852[13:57:51] <Delf> Is there a place I can find all the available polkit actions?
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• 1858[13:58:35] <serard> teraflops, that's lot of help, thanks again :)
• 1859[13:58:35] <teraflops> serard: try it and see I suppose
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• 1866[14:02:04] <serard> will do, rebooting :)
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• 1874[14:05:41] <serard> teraflops, thank you sooo much, it works ! I get the prompt once the image is shown, but will manage this
• 1875[14:05:53] <teraflops> serard: glad you figured it out
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• 1877[14:06:46] <teraflops> systemd is not that bad for such things eh :P
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• 1879[14:07:58] <serard> yes, just need to rtfm and find the tty things out of it
• 1880[14:08:08] <serard> which I did, but wasnt able to find the tty things
• 1881[14:08:09] <teraflops> heh
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• 1887[14:10:09] <serard> was looking at systemd.unit :o
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• 1942[14:36:14] <velix> Is it more secure to run php-fpm in a chroot enviromnent (Docker is too big for my small project).
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• 1981[14:54:53] <pingfloyd> chroots aren't all that secure, but then again neither is docker
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• 1988[14:57:58] <AndChat425684> How many of you are using Sid for desktop purposes?
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• 1995[15:00:35] <sparkplug_2000bc> jmcnaught: (beowulf_) fyi: i solved the eth issues from yesterday by adding the pciid to the alx driver in the installer. (Luckily) Turns out the realtech drv. i was trying to load was for a differe version of my mobo.
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• 2006[15:10:14] <hehdhdh> ciao
• 2007[15:10:17] <hehdhdh> !list
• 2008[15:10:17] <dpkg> hehdhdh: vedi replaced-url
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• 2013[15:11:24] <jmcnaught> sparkplug_2000bc: i'm glad you got it working. i don't know what 'adding the pciid to the alx driver in the installer' means
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• 2021[15:13:55] <jmcnaught> deemel: your ~/.ssh/known_hosts file will be hashed so that it's not clear to an intruder what other systems you have access to. You can add unhashed hosts to this file, but the ssh client hashes hostnames by default
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• 2023[15:14:38] <deemel> okay, thanks
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• 2030[15:15:53] <jmcnaught> velix: you're not really gaining anything by running php-fpm in a chroot except for extra effort and complexity. What you can do is make new pools in /etc/php5/fpm/pool.d/ that run as different users, and make system users with very few privileges to run the pools
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• 2034[15:16:41] <velix> jmcnaught: I did this up to now. But I'm reading about containers and security... Why do guys use this, if a simple user is as safe? :)
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• 2038[15:18:28] <jmcnaught> velix: containers are the same thing as a chroot. containers can bring an extra layer of isolation, often the reason is to logically separate different aspects of your overall system so they can be managed independently
• 2039[15:18:33] <teraflops> velix: containers are not about security
• 2040[15:18:43] <deemel> I'm fiddling with my raspberry currently and wanted to keep my external hdd connected to it. I mounted it to a directory in the home folder, which works fine. However, my normal user doesn't have access rights to it. The guide I'm following suggested 'sude chmod 775 <directory>' but that didn't help
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• 2044[15:19:20] <velix> teraflops: but an argument from the docker fans ;)
• 2045[15:19:23] <velix> fan-boys
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• 2047[15:19:41] <sparkplug_2000bc> jmcnaught: i appreciated the help thx. first i loaded the alx driver in the "Detech nw hw" step. Shell: echo "1969 e0a1 > ..../drivers/alx/new_id. Back to detech nw hw and voila.
• 2048[15:19:43] <teraflops> velix: they are *very* wrong imo
• 2049[15:19:48] <petn-randall> !raspbian
• 2050[15:19:48] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 2051[15:19:50] <velix> teraflops: ok
• 2052[15:19:53] <velix> jmcnaught: thx
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• 2054[15:20:23] <petn-randall> deemel: See dpkg's last message. Raspbian is supported in #raspbian, not here.
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• 2056[15:20:32] <petemc_> deemel: if its fat or ntfs you need to set permissions when mounting it, chmod doesnt work
• 2057[15:20:57] <deemel> ptn-randall ah okay, sorry. I did not know that
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• 2129[15:55:53] <iamwhoiam> petemc_: isn't this the case for anything you mount? If it was ext4, could chmod be used?
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• 2134[15:59:16] <th0r> the 'free' command shows 683M/753M used, leaving about 70M free. The xfce panel system monitor shows 329M/735M used,leaving 406M free gkrellm shows 585M of 735M free. Who to bellieve?
• 2135[15:59:34] <jak2000> hi all
• 2136[15:59:40] <jak2000> exist a named channel? or bind?
• 2137[15:59:49] <jak2000> ahh ooo yess, thanks
• 2138[15:59:57] <sparkplug_2000bc> np
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• 2148[16:05:01] <jak2000> sparkplug_2000bc know about bind?
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• 2150[16:05:29] <gebruiker> does someone know if there is a debian installer available with zfs modules available?
• 2151[16:05:55] <gebruiker> the zfs guide is hazardous
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• 2169[16:12:16] <sparkplug_2000bc> apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64 => give me 3.16 kernel??
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• 2178[16:15:15] <babilen> sparkplug_2000bc: No, that should get you a 4.7 kernel
• 2179[16:15:32] <babilen> judd: depends linux-image-amd64 --release jessie-backports
• 2180[16:15:33] <judd> Package linux-image-amd64 in jessie-backports/amd64 -- depends: linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64.
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• 2187[16:17:32] <sparkplug_2000bc> babilen: ah - well the kernel is installed but not loaded
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• 2191[16:18:32] <petn-randall> sparkplug_2000bc: Did you restart after installing the new kernel?
• 2192[16:18:33] <babilen> You typically have to reboot to load the kernel
• 2193[16:18:40] <sparkplug_2000bc> i suck at consise irc'ing. My first message was meant as: i ran apt-get.... and no kernel change.
• 2194[16:20:14] <sparkplug_2000bc> babilen: thx - i figured. My brainfart was using unama -a to make sure i "got" the newest kernel. Since im still in the debian installer it would o.c. still be 3.16
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• 2196[16:20:51] <sparkplug_2000bc> petn-randall: nope o.O
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• 2208[16:25:30] <sparkplug_2000bc> i am using this guide: replaced-url
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• 2212[16:26:36] <sparkplug_2000bc> think i should continue and boot?
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• 2217[16:28:31] <petn-randall> sparkplug_2000bc: I'm guessing it's harmless and would reboot. If it fails, you can still boot a rescue system and chroot into the root partition again like in that guide.
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• 2276[16:52:22] <awal1> Why all apps remember their position in the screen, without extra configs/tricks, except chromium ?
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• 2290[16:56:15] <sparkplug_2000bc> why is it that terminal logins (e.g. ctrl+alt+F1) go black when booting without nomodeset?
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• 2294[16:58:12] <towo`> who knows, without further infos
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• 2296[16:59:18] <teraflops> sparkplug_2000bc: blame your gpu?
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• 2301[17:01:59] <sparkplug_2000bc> i had this issue on 10+ boxes over the last 10 years so i thought it was a common/default thing (on machines without stock integrated gpu). Since im booting with nomodeset its a non-issue.
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• 2303[17:02:36] <sparkplug_2000bc> teraflops: i do ^^
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• 2330[17:11:27] <r3> where are the dns servers defined for a new client install, as /etc/resolv.conf was initially empty? I understand that DHCP is used when first started, but if I change the install to not use DHCP but rather a static IP address, DNS resolution still works. So it must have got the nameservers from DHCP initially, but shouldn't it then fail to resolve when it becomes a static IP?
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• 2339[17:13:36] <r3> this just seems a bit like magic to me that it works and somehow is using a static IP, yes, but also data received from DHCP somewhere. I am glad it is working now as configured (I added in a couple of nameservers to /etc/resolv.conf) but I guess there is a piece missing that I don't know about or understand.
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• 2352[17:17:45] <ledufakademy> hello , with kde i've got sound issue.
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• 2356[17:19:04] <petn-randall> !ask
• 2357[17:19:04] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 2359[17:20:12] <lethu> ledufakademy, can you be more precise please?
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• 2362[17:23:01] <ledufakademy> yes, sound is flapping , when i wan't to adjust output , kde don't let me choose an output
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• 2365[17:23:23] <lethu> ledufakademy, does it happen even after rebooting?
• 2366[17:23:28] <ledufakademy> it' s switching alone betrween headset and internal speaker , alone
• 2367[17:23:36] <ledufakademy> yes , always
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• 2369[17:24:06] <lethu> ledufakademy, have noticed that it was triggered by something, or is it just random?
• 2370[17:24:53] <lethu> like for instance, just when playing media
• 2371[17:25:09] <ledufakademy> no at boot , so always
• 2372[17:25:14] <lethu> ok
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• 2374[17:25:40] <lethu> ledufakademy, open a terminal then do "pulseaudio -k"
• 2375[17:26:04] <ledufakademy> when i try youtube sound is cutting very second
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• 2378[17:26:25] <lethu> also please use the "dmesg" command and paste the output
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• 2380[17:28:20] <ledufakademy> the comand do notinh
• 2381[17:28:35] <lethu> which one?
• 2382[17:28:38] <ledufakademy> kde doesn't use phonon instead of Phonon ?
• 2383[17:28:43] <ledufakademy> kde doesn't use phonon instead of Phonon ?
• 2384[17:28:45] <ledufakademy> kde doesn't use phonon instead of Phonon ?
• 2385[17:28:47] <ledufakademy> d
• 2386[17:28:55] <awal1> ledufakademy, is pulseaudio installed there?
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• 2388[17:29:12] <ledufakademy> z
• 2389[17:29:25] <ledufakademy> kde doesn't use phonon instead of Phonon ?
• 2390[17:29:30] <ledufakademy> oups
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• 2399[17:34:12] <th0r> r3, resolv.conf is now controlled by dhcpcd. If you want to define your own dns, you need to do it in /etc/dhcpcd.conf
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• 2406[17:39:16] <r3> thank you th0r
• 2407[17:39:24] <jmcnaught> dhcpcd is not part of a typical Debian install
• 2408[17:39:29] <r3> I looked and looked in the debian wiki
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• 2413[17:41:26] <r3> hrm. Well, I'm not sure that's the right place either - I will continue to look, but as far as I can tell, it is using what I have put into /etc/resolv.conf
• 2414[17:41:39] <jmcnaught> r3: if you have nothing automatically writing to /etc/resolv.conf anymore, than the file contains what was last written to it. Numerous programs configure /etc/resolv.conf, including isc-dhcp-client (default on Debian), NetworkManager, wicd
• 2415[17:42:03] <jmcnaught> there's also a program resolvconf that helps you manage the file when more than one program wants to write to it
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• 2421[17:44:55] <th0r> jmcnaught, and all this time I thought raspbian was just debian compiled for arm. something new every day
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• 2428[17:46:06] <r3> jmcnaught: I've read about resolvconf
• 2429[17:46:50] <r3> thanks, that makes more sense
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• 2437[17:48:05] <r3> I've discovered the hard way that raspbian is more than just debian compiled for arm, I use both here and sometimes get bitten by the differences between them (and also occasionally confused as to which one I am working on, but that's my brainlessness taking over momentarily)
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• 2440[17:48:12] <jmcnaught> th0r: Debian is available for arm, Raspbian is a derivative with questionable use of Debianbranding
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• 2442[17:49:08] <jmcnaught> it's one of the reasons that raspbian is not supported here, stuff is different in ways that Debian volunteers can't keep track of
• 2443[17:49:18] <th0r> r3, yeah...I just checked my laptop (debian) and there is no dhcpcd.conf. But it drove me crazy when I upgraded my three raspbian servers until I found notes on dhcpcd
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• 2448[17:50:33] <th0r> jmcnaught, is the arm version of debian out of testing? I have been waiting for it so I can try it out on the servers
• 2449[17:50:39] <r3> I assume that if I were to download the right arm architecture (As there seem to be 3: arm64, armel, armhf) it would install OK on a Raspberry Pi? I assume also that it would be missing all of the built in stuff for dealing with GPIO, SPI, I2C, the lot, basically everything that makes a Pi a Pi.
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• 2451[17:51:08] <ledufakademy> audio is lfpping continously between headset and internal speaker
• 2452[17:51:10] * r3 should read up on those first, as that's a dumb question, sorry
• 2453[17:51:23] <ledufakademy> when i connect headset sound is ok !
• 2454[17:51:45] <jmcnaught> th0r: ARM support in Debian is not a new thing
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• 2459[17:52:18] <th0r> jmcnaught, maybe I just never noticed it before. was always looking for the laptop
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• 2462[17:53:00] <r3> ooh, here ya go: replaced-url
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• 2465[17:54:04] <r3> or, I guess, really, that's more for me. OK, more coffee is clearly needed.
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• 2467[17:55:37] <teraflops> weird as hell
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• 2469[17:56:59] <teraflops> how the heck sounds keeps switching to a non existent sink
• 2470[17:57:16] <teraflops> I will never know
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• 2485[18:05:08] <sparkplug_2000bc> woa nvidia drivers are three years old and doesnt dance with backported kernel.
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• 2488[18:06:55] <babilen> sparkplug_2000bc: Why didn't you install the ones from backports?
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• 2491[18:08:18] <sparkplug_2000bc> i thought i had - i get boatloads of dependency errors
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• 2497[18:10:39] <babilen> Do you?
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• 2499[18:13:18] <sparkplug_2000bc> package manager stopped working. "Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages"
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• 2502[18:14:19] <babilen> dpkg: bat
• 2503[18:14:20] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 2507[18:16:03] <sparkplug_2000bc> yeah sry. shouldn't have mentioned it. I will try to fix it myself before taking up your time though.
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• 2513[18:18:05] <babilen> If you wish
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• 2515[18:19:10] <sparkplug_2000bc> Quick question though: will an upgrade with -t jessie-backports upgrade/replace/fix all the default stable pacakges (assuming no broken packages).
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• 2517[18:21:09] <jmcnaught> sparkplug_2000bc: it's not recommended to use all the available backports, only the ones you really need. See the introduction: replaced-url
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• 2532[18:28:43] <sparkplug_2000bc> jmcnaught: rgr. thx.
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• 2534[18:30:29] <sparkplug_2000bc> update: i solved it by force intalling glx-diversiosn from backports (dunno why apt couldnt figure it out). Then upgrade and dist-upgraded all my packages from backport (i know - contrary to recommendation). Then reinstallng nvidia drivers from backports.
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• 2537[18:31:29] <gebruiker> hello
• 2538[18:31:44] <gebruiker> how can I easily create a deb package
• 2539[18:32:08] <sparkplug_2000bc> thx all for being patient with me and my ramblings
• 2540[18:32:19] <gebruiker> I found that some packages that are present in Sid are not available in jessie. After compiling them on jessie i know it would work fine
• 2541[18:32:29] <gebruiker> but I don't want to end up reading alot
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• 2544[18:32:46] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell gebruiker about ssb
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• 2547[18:33:12] <antzero> KDE: anyone has a fix for the blurry system tray icons?
• 2548[18:33:27] <gebruiker> jmcnaught: would it not be easier to just tage the package from sid?
• 2549[18:33:34] <gebruiker> (if that is possible)
• 2550[18:33:41] <sparkplug_2000bc> antzero: change icon theme?
• 2551[18:33:56] <antzero> I don't think it's related to the icon theme
• 2552[18:34:01] <jmcnaught> gebruiker: no, you can break your system doing that, which is the reasons backporting and the backports repo exist
• 2553[18:34:04] <antzero> I've tried and nothing changes
• 2554[18:34:22] <jmcnaught> gebruiker: you should also take a look at replaced-url
• 2555[18:34:28] <antzero> the default system icons are okay, the apps one are blurred (dropbo, telegram)
• 2556[18:35:07] <gebruiker> jmcnaught: i have backports added to my sources.list as I found the package through google but it does not show up in the backport repositories..
• 2557[18:35:17] <sparkplug_2000bc> antzero: whats your monitors resolution?
• 2558[18:35:25] <antzero> 1080p
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• 2560[18:35:33] <jmcnaught> antzero: it sounds like your third party applications came with low resolution icons
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• 2562[18:35:53] <jmcnaught> gebruiker: not everything is in jessie-backports, and not everything can be backported. what is this top-secret package?
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• 2565[18:36:23] <sparkplug_2000bc> antzero: yup wha jmcnaught just said. they prob look ok on 92dpi
• 2566[18:36:31] <gebruiker> meh - maybe upgrading to sid would be just much easier than sticking with jessie
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• 2568[18:36:54] <jmcnaught> gebruiker: probably not, especially if you're new to Debian and don't know how to fix stuff when it breaks
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• 2570[18:37:19] <jmcnaught> gebruiker: but if you want help backporting a package from sid, you could tell us the name of the package for a start
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• 2572[18:37:34] <antzero> on KDE neon they are okay
• 2573[18:37:48] <antzero> a friend has same resolution, tried with the same apps
• 2574[18:38:34] <gebruiker> hmm, i used debian woody a lot but then lost track of the debian and linux development. There are three packages I want to backport the first one is gtk-nummix-theme and icon theme and the other one is liqourix kernel
• 2575[18:38:45] <gebruiker> @jmcnaught
• 2576[18:38:50] <antzero> okay, apparently it's related to support for legacy XEmbed system tray icons
• 2577[18:38:55] <antzero> Is there a way to re-enable it?
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• 2581[18:39:57] <gebruiker> (jmcnaught: liqourix kernel is not in the official repositories)
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• 2584[18:40:22] <jmcnaught> gebruiker: that means it's not supported here. gtk-nummix-theme is not a package name either
• 2585[18:41:24] <gebruiker> jmcnaught: replaced-url
• 2586[18:41:51] <jmcnaught> judd: checkbackport numix-gtk-theme
• 2587[18:41:52] <judd> Backporting package numix-gtk-theme in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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• 2590[18:42:44] <jmcnaught> gebruiker: you should be able to compile the package on jessie using the instructions in dpkg's ssb factoid. Personally my advice is that themes are not worth jeopardizing the stability of your system
• 2591[18:43:46] <gebruiker> judd: checkbackport numix-icon-theme
• 2592[18:43:47] <judd> Backporting package numix-icon-theme in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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• 2594[18:44:13] <gebruiker> jmcnaught: thanks for the advice
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• 2654[19:05:01] <ledufakademy> is there anybody who can help me to solve alsa/pulseaudio issue ? (sound continuously changing from headset to speaker)
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• 2658[19:06:51] <jmcnaught> ledufakademy: when the headphones are plugged in?
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• 2665[19:09:51] <ledufakademy> when headphones are plus it's ok, but when unplug them it's flapping between headphone and speaker ... and the sound is .... flapping too !
• 2666[19:09:55] <ledufakademy> plug
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• 2669[19:10:31] <jmcnaught> ledufakademy: how do you know it's switching to headphones when they're not plugged in?
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• 2674[19:13:58] <ledufakademy> i look at pavucontrol
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• 2676[19:14:37] <ledufakademy> and see swtching between (speed switch) headphone and speaker
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• 2678[19:15:14] <jmcnaught> ledufakademy: there's an auto-mute mode that you can check in alsamixer
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• 2683[19:16:47] <jmcnaught> ledufakademy: what you're describing sound suspicious though, and i wonder if it's a problem in your headphone jack, something completing the circuit used to detect if something is plugged in
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• 2688[19:18:06] <ledufakademy> hum, perhaps you're right hardware issue ...
• 2689[19:18:25] <ledufakademy> i'm testing the install with stretch .. i will give a try with jessie ...
• 2690[19:19:12] <jmcnaught> ledufakademy: it's just a thought about the jack. did you try disabling auto-mute mode in alsamixer?
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• 2717[19:28:57] <ledufakademy> it's seem automuting headphone or pseaker
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• 2745[19:43:03] <sine0> I have been using crontab -e to setup tasks with a line per time. is there a way i can increase, say i want something to run every 30 minutes
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• 2753[19:45:42] <somiaj> sine0: man crontab, you can set how often things are run such as every 30 mins (by putting two enteries in the minute column and * every where else)
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• 2756[19:46:17] <somiaj> sine0: man 5 crontab
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• 2770[19:54:04] * awal1 Wonders why NumLock is off by default
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• 2772[19:54:16] <xand> bios setting
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• 2777[19:54:56] <somiaj> awal1: either a bios setting or some program like numlockx that is changing the setting when x is loaded.
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• 2779[19:54:57] <awal1> no numlock/numerical touchpad reference at all in my bios (lenovo ideapad)
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• 2783[19:55:16] <awal1> somiaj, numlockx isn't installed here
• 2784[19:55:28] <somiaj> awal1: most firmware have such a setting but all might not. off is default, but many firmware have a setting to put it on
• 2785[19:55:35] <somiaj> if you want it on and there isnt' a firmware setting try numlockx
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• 2788[19:56:50] <awal1> somiaj, I may try numlockx yeah; I was just curious about that. It doesnt bother me turn it on manually :)
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• 2795[19:58:47] <spacebug^> awal1: I have problems in Gnome that makes numlock LED turn off but numlock funktion is on. Have to do with when Gnome sets language. Strange as f***. Anyway, I have a script using numlockx that runs when I log in and it makes everythign work. replaced-url
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• 2800[19:59:49] <awal1> spacebug^, ok. thanks for tip; I'll check it :)
• 2801[19:59:58] <spacebug^> it's a desktopfile that gets run when logging in, which then calls the bashscript that is using numlockx
• 2802[20:00:05] <spacebug^> you're welcome ;)
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• 2818[20:07:07] <awal1> How to check time in another country which doesn't use DST?
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• 2824[20:08:10] <awal1> date --date='TZ"Algiers"' shows that it's 8 pm but in real it's 7 pm bcuz Algeria doesn't use DST
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• 2826[20:09:01] <awal1> date --date='TZ="Algiers"' ^
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• 2828[20:10:03] <somiaj> I thought DST was included in the timezone info. Is there another timezone for Aligers?
• 2829[20:10:39] <Scuttle> replaced-url
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• 2833[20:12:28] <awal1> somiaj, I'm clueless about time stuff but that's what I get with tzselect replaced-url
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• 2836[20:14:10] <awal1> but "date" returns ---» date --date='TZ="Algiers"' Sat Oct 8 20:00:00 EDT 2016
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• 2840[20:15:52] <awal1> full output of tzselect replaced-url
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• 2843[20:17:21] <lesik> hey, I'm using stable on a ThinkPad X240 with the 0bdb:193e 3G modem (also called "Lenovo N5321 gw"). NetworkManager asks for a SIM PIN, but upon entering I get this error - PolicyKit authorization failed: challenge needed for 'org.freedesktop.ModemManager1.Device.Control'
• 2844[20:17:48] <lesik> policykit-1 is installed as it is a direct dependency of modemmanager
• 2845[20:17:56] <somiaj> awal1: TZ="Africa/Algiers" date seems to give me the correct time.
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• 2848[20:20:08] <awal1> somiaj, right. thanks. I missed Africa; I thought it wasn't necessary bcuz for countries using DST the time is correct without TZ , example date --date='TZ"Paris"'
• 2849[20:20:38] <somiaj> I don't know timezones that well, so unsure when short ones work or not.
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• 2851[20:21:40] <awal1> it's ok somiaj, thanks. Africa/Algiers works :)
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• 2949[21:03:28] <Fauve> Hello people o/
• 2950[21:03:55] <Fauve> Is The Dink Network replaced-url
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• 2955[21:04:50] <crash_> how can i fix bluetooth on my computer? all get is Failed to set power on: org.bluez.Error.Failed with bluetoothctl
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• 2961[21:05:20] <Fauve> Yes it seams regardless to replaced-url
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• 2974[21:10:22] <jak2000> replaced-url
• 2975[21:10:28] <jak2000> and advice me why?
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• 3004[21:19:11] <teraflops> crash_: is the device down? (try hciconfig hci0 up), take a look at rfkill too
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• 3007[21:20:12] <crash_> teraflops: thanks i have tried hciconfig hci0 up now and get: Can't init device hci0: Connection timed out (110)
• 3008[21:20:22] <teraflops> crash_: rfkill
• 3009[21:20:25] <teraflops> crash_: rfkill list
• 3010[21:20:45] <crash_> teraflops: rfkill list show no soft/hard blocks
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• 3012[21:21:09] <teraflops> crash_: dmesg complains about firmware or something similar?
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• 3017[21:22:24] <teraflops> crash_: btw is the device hci0 ?
• 3018[21:22:44] <crash_> teraflops: replaced-url
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• 3020[21:23:29] <teraflops> crash_: also, is it usb? built in? do you have dual boot with windows? is a phisical switch there for the bt?
• 3021[21:24:04] <crash_> teraflops: Debian only and the bluetooth is built in with the wificard.
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• 3025[21:25:58] <teraflops> crash_: if you grep dmesg we loose the fun
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• 3034[21:30:18] <XinzZz> hola
• 3035[21:30:31] <crash_> teraflops: replaced-url
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• 3038[21:30:54] <XinzZz> I have a convertable windows 10 laptop thing (yoga 3) that I want to put linux on and make it ultra barebones and maximize battery life with minimal performance
• 3039[21:31:10] <XinzZz> I need it to handle stuff like converting from laptop to tablet though
• 3040[21:31:18] <XinzZz> or at least screen rotation
• 3041[21:31:34] <XinzZz> like I dont want to handicap the hardware if that makes sense
• 3042[21:31:51] <XinzZz> well, not by default
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• 3044[21:32:09] <XinzZz> its mainly an issue of which window manager/compositing layer I use right?
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• 3047[21:32:47] <teraflops> crash_: hmmm, i read about similar issues with rtl combos fixed in newer kernels, which kernel there?
• 3048[21:33:07] <sine0> I am trying to change the email address of the sender when using the mail -s command. currently it is sine0@mydomain.com
• 3049[21:33:24] <crash_> teraflops: 4.4.24 and i did have the same bluetooth error in the stock 3.16 and latest backport kernel 4.7.x
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• 3051[21:33:56] <sine0> I have read througha few posts and there are so many different options it really seems distro dependant. I am using debian so can anyone tell me if they do use it with multiple hosts in their mail, how they choose what one they send from, not just the actual domaain of the box
• 3052[21:34:19] <teraflops> crash_: oh nvm
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• 3054[21:34:49] <teraflops> crash_: it really looks like a bug
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• 3057[21:35:51] <crash_> teraflops: yeah :( it's nagging me though. maybe it will be fixed someday :)
• 3058[21:35:52] <teraflops> I see the fw loading, no rfkill blocks, no physical device button, heck is annoying
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• 3065[21:39:09] <crash_> indeed
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• 3068[21:40:38] <teraflops> crash_: submited a bug to the kernel bug tracker?
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• 3079[21:48:11] <crash_> teraflops: nope maybe i should do that
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• 3093[21:54:33] <teraflops> crash_: or at least search by there
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• 3096[21:55:38] <NCS_One> hi
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• 3098[21:56:13] <crash_> teraflops: Yeah i will do that, thanks for trying to help me with it :)
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• 3101[21:56:52] <teraflops> crash_: np good luck
• 3102[21:57:16] <NCS_One> just acquired an ssd 480 gb disk and going to install debian on it, what partition scheme you recomment?
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• 3104[21:57:36] <crash_> root,home,swap should do it :)
• 3105[21:57:53] <crash_> and a efi if you have UEFI
• 3106[21:59:35] <epsilon> normal desktop? I'd separate /, /home, /var and swap
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• 3108[22:00:01] <teraflops> sepparated /var in normal desktop? hmm
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• 3112[22:00:15] <epsilon> if unsure use the recommendation of the installation process
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• 3115[22:00:39] <nanonyme> Is unzip always installed on Debian?
• 3116[22:00:48] <NCS_One> epsilon: yes, its for personal use
• 3117[22:01:01] <epsilon> I'd separate var in any system... happens often something is writing log every few seconds/minutes
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• 3121[22:01:19] <teraflops> all in / is fine, some people like /home separated
• 3122[22:01:49] <teraflops> epsilon: so it fills and than your system crashes?
• 3123[22:01:51] <dvs_> like me
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• 3125[22:02:16] <teraflops> then*
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• 3128[22:03:01] <teraflops> I'd go all in / maybe separated /home and /boot if you do UEFI
• 3129[22:03:56] <teraflops> people asking about the partition scheme is the kind of people that ends with / full or whatever
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• 3133[22:05:35] <teraflops> and /swap ofc
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• 3139[22:08:31] <NCS_One> soo, / - 100gb, /swap - 4gb, /boot - 512mb and /home - the rest of space, is this ok?
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• 3141[22:09:02] <dvs> too many partitions if you ask e
• 3142[22:09:04] <dvs> me
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• 3144[22:09:34] <realking> poop
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• 3154[22:16:51] <teraflops> NCS_One: UEFI?
• 3155[22:17:14] <teraflops> if not you don't even need boot partition
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• 3160[22:18:53] <ws2k3> how can i find which libevent version is installed on my system
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• 3173[22:25:13] <troffasky> dpkg -l | grep libevent
• 3174[22:25:13] <dpkg> No packages found matching | grep libevent
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• 3207[22:36:30] <awal1> troffasky, aptitude search libevent may help you
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• 3209[22:37:48] <awal1> ,v libevent-2.0-5
• 3210[22:37:49] <judd> Package: libevent-2.0-5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.0.19-stable-3+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.0.19-stable-3+deb7u1; jessie: 2.0.21-stable-2; sid: 2.0.21-stable-2+b1; stretch: 2.0.21-stable-2+b1
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• 3217[22:39:13] <tech> Hello, I would like to install Debian. Can you help me please ?
• 3218[22:39:26] <troffasky> i only installed aptitude yesterday, just getting used to it
• 3219[22:39:50] <awal1> !install jessie
• 3220[22:39:50] <dpkg> There are a myriad of different ways to install Debian. See replaced-url
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• 3223[22:40:20] <tech> Okay and the iso on the website of Debian contains gnome or another desktop?
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• 3225[22:41:14] <awal1> dvd iso includes gnome, kde, xfce, cinnamon, lxde, mate
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• 3227[22:41:21] <tech> Okay thank you !
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• 3230[22:41:44] <awal1> netinst iso will download the one you want during install
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• 3235[22:44:07] <woshty> I moved a home directory to a different directory. After any cd now, replacing /home/group/user with ~ in bash does not work anymore. Is that saved somewhere, was /home/user? I newly created user with /home/group/user2 set as home path work fine.
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• 3253[22:53:51] <troffasky> /etc/passwd
• 3254[22:54:37] <woshty> troffasky: yup, found it, trailing slash, $HOME was set to /home/group/user/, thx
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• 3281[23:07:04] <awal1> troffasky, normally, aptitude is installed by default in debian...
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• 3285[23:08:19] <troffasky> i installed this system >10 years ago and it's been updated weekly ever since
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• 3287[23:08:41] <troffasky> [hence the 1300 uninstalled packages i purged yesterday]
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• 3291[23:10:44] <fangfufu> On my Debian Jessie, Icedove from the main repository somehow has priority over the Icedove from the security repository
• 3292[23:10:46] <fangfufu> why is that the case?
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• 3310[23:17:57] <th0r> fangfufu, running gnome? and are you choosing icedove from the 'start menu'?
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• 3313[23:18:23] <eolien_> Hi, i cant find libvirt-bin package in stretch ?
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• 3316[23:19:26] <fangfufu> th0r: I am running KDE
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• 3318[23:20:07] <th0r> fangfufu, never even tried kde...sorry
• 3319[23:20:23] <fangfufu> this is what i get from running "apt-cache policy icedove"
• 3320[23:20:25] <fangfufu> replaced-url
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• 3323[23:20:46] <fangfufu> th0r,it has got nothing to do with what desktop environment i am running.
• 3324[23:21:24] <th0r> fangfufu, ok....in xfce the applications menu entry uses a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications. The icedove you get will be whichever is pointed to by that file
• 3325[23:21:38] <ADubhlaoich> Any suggestions for a good image viewer? LDXE, if that's of relevance.
• 3326[23:21:47] <fangfufu> th0r, that's not relevant to what i am asking.
• 3327[23:22:12] <fangfufu> the package manager keeps trying to downgrade my icedove
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• 3329[23:22:21] <fangfufu> it has nothing to do with which shortcut i click
• 3330[23:22:26] <th0r> fangfufu, that isn't what you initially posted
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• 3332[23:22:54] <fangfufu> th0r, that is exactly what i asked
• 3333[23:23:03] <troffasky> what did you think he meant by priority of repos if he wasn't talking about package management?
• 3334[23:23:07] <fangfufu> the package from the main repository somehow has priority over security update
• 3335[23:23:24] <th0r> <fangfufu> On my Debian Jessie, Icedove from the main repository somehow has priority over the Icedove from the security repository
• 3336[23:23:25] <th0r> <fangfufu> why is that the case?
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• 3340[23:24:50] <ADubhlaoich> Disregard my last question; I hadn't realized I simply needed to set my default image viewer properly
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