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110[00:47:15] <shyam-id-au> How do I change the default application gedit? It is not in Settings > Details > Default Applications, nand Files > Preferences > *, nand update-alternatives.
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118[00:50:45] <shyam-id-au> If I have a new file extension, it automatically opens with gedit; how can I change this?
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122[00:51:29] <shyam-id-au> I am sick of changing it in the file properties for every single new file type.
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135[00:58:40] <Maxxe`> shyam-id-au
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137[00:58:50] <Maxxe`> It must be in the gedit properties
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139[00:59:15] <Maxxe`> You can select which type of file you want it to open
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146[01:00:05] <shyam-id-au> I cannot see that option?
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148[01:00:23] <shyam-id-au> It does not start it's self either.
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153[01:02:50] <krazyj> any thoughts on enabling Automatic-Reboot for unattended-upgrades, when you’re doing only -security upgrades?
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155[01:03:26] <krazyj> momentary downtime is fine for the application, but i’m also curious about how often that’s a thing for -security updates…
156[01:03:34] <krazyj> s/application/server
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190[01:13:26] <monako> bash network log name ?
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192[01:14:29] <format_c> what is a "bash network log"?
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195[01:14:57] <monako> traffic
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197[01:16:17] <format_c> sorry? whas traffic with bash in common?
198[01:16:40] <monako> format_c
199[01:16:43] <monako> can i pm you?
200[01:17:31] <format_c> you can try if it helps
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204[01:18:34] <shyam-id-au> shyam-id-au: apt-get remove --purge gedit
205[01:18:52] <shyam-id-au> ^ That removed gnome!
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213[01:21:58] <shyam-id-au> Do I need gnome to use the gnome desktop environment?!?
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216[01:22:31] <shyam-id-au> If I try to reinstall gnome; it wants to bring back gedit.
217[01:22:39] <format_c> shyam-id-au, I'm afraid yes. But you don't have to use gnome to use the GTK look and feel.
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219[01:22:50] <krazyj> nodboy have any thoughts about Automatic-Reboot being enabled/disabled for unattended-upgrades w/ -security only?
220[01:22:50] <qqx> shyam-id-au: The gnome package is just a meta-package
221[01:22:54] <krazyj> *nobody
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223[01:23:10] <qqx> It doesn't really contain anything, just depends on other packages.
224[01:23:14] <shyam-id-au> qqx: so my system will remain unaffected when I reboot?
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226[01:23:23] <qqx> yes
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230[01:23:33] <shyam-id-au> KK.
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232[01:23:46] <luke-jr> Shouldn't the pcsx2 package be in contrib instead of main, since it depends on non-free software?
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236[01:25:50] <tenyasha> fuck
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254[01:30:13] <tenyasha> fuck
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256[01:30:20] <teraflops> ok
257[01:30:42] <RoyK> heh - join - say fuck - part - that's useful
258[01:30:50] <teraflops> ignored
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282[01:40:28] <sine0> when I use the mail command what is sending the mail
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292[01:44:25] <missmbob> sine0: by default debian uses exim to send mail
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301[01:48:06] <krazyj> any suggestions on general auditing tools i could run in/on a server configuration to get a quick report of how i did? (security noob here)
302[01:48:07] <krazyj> came across something like this, which gave me the idea: replaced-url
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321[02:01:46] <jeddi> krazyj: is nessusd still a good starting point?
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324[02:03:34] <jmcnaught> krazyj: check out the tiger package
325[02:03:37] <jeddi> krazyj: oh - looks like lynis dives into configs a bit more heavily - haven't used it, so can't say. sort of thing you could happily run every free audit / vuln scan isn't it?
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336[02:06:34] <krazyj> on further googling, i think what i want is something like this: replaced-url
337[02:06:50] <krazyj> something that will run through a battery of checks to make sure i don’t have a big open configuration goof somewhere
338[02:07:33] <krazyj> (but this is for a low-risk, low-importance personal web server… so it’s kinda whatever. more of a learning experiment.)
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345[02:08:14] <jeddi> krazyj: got fail2ban installed?
346[02:08:35] <krazyj> jeddi: the general consenus i’m getting is that fail2ban is a stopgap measure for Good Security
347[02:08:50] <krazyj> i.e. if you’re properly secured, it shouldn’t matter if f2b is installed or not
348[02:08:56] <krazyj> that’s what i’m shooting for, at least
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350[02:09:03] <jeddi> krazyj: fail2ban prevents (in the general case) vulns you've got that are exploitable (only) by brute force attacks.
351[02:09:11] <jeddi> krazyj: there's no reason to not have in. defence in depth, and all that.
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353[02:09:18] <krazyj> hmmm ok
354[02:09:53] <krazyj> i was hoping tight iptables + daily security updates + secured SSH (protocol 2, publickey, etc) + other services might
355[02:09:55] <krazyj> be enough...
356[02:09:59] <jeddi> a manual review of package list (dpkg -l) and ports open (netstat - though that won't show you all services that may respond to a knock) etc ... which is what a lot of these products do, of course.
357[02:10:13] <krazyj> ahhhhh good point
358[02:10:39] <jeddi> agreed, passwordless-only ssh is pretty safe, but fail2ban can then be thought of as a way of stopping you being dos'd by your logs filling up.
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361[02:11:01] <krazyj> oh right
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363[02:11:09] <jeddi> also if you're doing log analysis as part of your IDS, having logs with less cruft makes everyone's life easier
364[02:11:28] <krazyj> well, wouldn’t that be a matter of properly rotating your logs, though?
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366[02:11:46] <jeddi> have you had a box on the public internet before - and watched the number of hits to tcp/22 ?
367[02:11:51] <jeddi> it's brutal.
368[02:11:53] <krazyj> yes… it’s alot
369[02:12:10] <jeddi> fail2ban just means you may see 3 (say) of these before you don't see any more for 24 hours (say).
370[02:12:17] <jeddi> per src-ip, of course.
371[02:12:22] <krazyj> yeah
372[02:12:38] <krazyj> in general, are there any logging strategies to mitigate that, that i might want to put in place?
373[02:12:46] <jeddi> it also means they can't start knocking on your 443, 80, 590x, 53, and other ports you may have open
374[02:12:51] <jeddi> at least not for 24 hours :)
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376[02:13:37] <jeddi> krazyj: not sure. *my* strategy is to be quite brutal with dropping routes to anyone who looks vaguely suspicious (ie port scan, failed attempts at ssh connections, etc) for at least a day.
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378[02:14:00] <jeddi> krazyj: are you implementing any kind of centralised logging and subsequent review of same? (i haven't done any such thing.)
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380[02:14:12] <krazyj> do you happen to have your f2b .conf file handy? i’d love to take a look at how you set it up...
381[02:14:22] <krazyj> jeddi: yep
382[02:14:23] <krazyj> i am
383[02:14:48] <krazyj> subsequent review might be VERY infrequent… but i’ll definitely have it there and take a look, from time to time. once a month, maybe
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385[02:14:53] <krazyj> (at worst)
386[02:15:22] <jeddi> i meant subsequent automated review.
387[02:15:36] <jeddi> keep meaning to play with some of the log aggregators / reviewers / miners.
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390[02:16:32] <jmcnaught> ,i logcheck
391[02:16:33] <judd> Package logcheck (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: mails anomalies in the system logfiles to the administrator. Version: 1.3.17; Size: 73.7k; Installed: 216k; Homepage: replaced-url
392[02:16:36] <krazyj> oh. i haven’t heard of that… what kind of tools are you thinking up?
393[02:16:42] <krazyj> neat!
394[02:16:44] <krazyj> thanks jmcnaught
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397[02:16:58] <jeddi> krazyj: logstash is the only one that's on my postitnote to look at -- but just found this page: replaced-url
398[02:17:15] <jmcnaught> krazyj: also check out tiger, which emails you about stuff that could be a problem (it's not comprehensive, but it's included in Debian)
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400[02:17:28] <jeddi> krazyj: be careful - there'sa bout a month worth of time you could throw into handling logs properly :)
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404[02:17:38] <krazyj> :D
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408[02:19:31] <jmcnaught> i also use tripwire, but it's a bit of a pain in the neck and difficult to automate, i'll likely move to a network IDS at some point when i have more systems to manage
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555[03:25:21] <james364> i've removed the background image of lightdm with lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings but light-locker still uses the wallpaper. how can i change it for the lock screen? yes, i tried google. seems like it'd be easy to find
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565[03:30:14] <jak2000> hi all
566[03:30:23] <jak2000> why: sudo updatedb command not found?
567[03:31:20] <missmbob> jak2000: sudo apt-get install mlocate
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584[03:39:32] <Mazhive> hi guys how can i let my debian wheezy sftp log my activity i treid setting it in sshd_config but cant seem to find the log file..
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598[03:45:31] <jak2000> how to know if nginx or apache listen on port 80?
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601[03:46:57] <pingfloyd> jak2000: sudo netstat -tunpl
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604[03:47:46] <jak2000> ok done
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606[03:48:24] <jak2000> hx
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617[03:52:30] <pingfloyd> jak2000: alternatively: sudo lsof -i :<port number>
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619[03:53:28] <pingfloyd> so in your case: sudo -i :80 to show what is listening on port 80
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624[03:55:30] <jak2000> ok thanks
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649[04:15:19] <jak2000> when i try: cp itsol.mx.hosts hoteldelcamino.mx.hosts
650[04:15:31] <jak2000> i get this error: cp: cannot create regular file `hoteldelcamino.mx.hosts': Read-only file system
651[04:15:34] <jak2000> i am root why?
652[04:15:58] <jmcnaught> jak2000: 'Read-only file system'
653[04:16:09] <roylaprattep> Mount your fs rw.
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655[04:16:38] <roylaprattep> Check your fstab.
656[04:16:42] <jak2000> ok
657[04:16:58] <jak2000> roylaprattep in my server i have a named running...
658[04:17:03] <roylaprattep> for a ro, and replace it with rw, on the fas you are trying to work
659[04:17:14] <roylaprattep> fs*
660[04:17:46] <jak2000> for add other domain only cp /var/cache/bind/domain.mx.hosts to /var/cache/bind/domain1000.mx.hosts and configure /var/cache/bind/domain1000.mx.hosts
661[04:17:47] <jak2000> right?
662[04:18:06] <jmcnaught> jak2000: what are you trying to do? add a zone file to bind9?
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668[04:18:43] <jak2000> yes
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670[04:19:18] <jmcnaught> jak2000: why are you putting them in /var/cache and not /etc/bind ?
671[04:19:41] <roylaprattep> My zine are in /var/cache/bind as well too.
672[04:19:44] <roylaprattep> zone*
673[04:19:48] <jak2000> not know :( my provider configured....
674[04:19:52] <roylaprattep> It's Debian default...
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676[04:20:20] <roylaprattep> jak2000: Leave your zone there, it's ok.
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678[04:21:10] <roylaprattep> Your named.conf.option points there for your zone anyway.
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686[04:22:58] <jmcnaught> i consider zone files (on a DNS master) to be configuration, and belong in /etc. To me /var/cache/bind is where a slave would put zone files it gets from its master
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689[04:23:59] <roylaprattep> jmcnaught: By default, when bind is installed, named.conf.option points to /var/cache/bind for all zones.
690[04:24:24] <roylaprattep> Doesn't matterif it's in /var/cache/bind or /etc anyway...
691[04:25:08] <jmcnaught> i try to put all config in /etc as a matter of consistency, instead of having config all over the place
692[04:25:55] <roylaprattep> It's not all over the place, only bind does this. Normal thing since it's like that when apt-get install bind9
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695[04:27:12] <roylaprattep> Since the beginning of time, my zones always were there.
696[04:28:28] <roylaprattep> jmcnaught: Anyway, zone files aren't configuration files.
697[04:29:27] <jmcnaught> roylaprattep: "While you are free to craft whatever structure you wish for servers which need to be authoritative for additional zones, what we suggest is that you put the db files for any zones you are master for in /etc/bind..." from /usr/share/doc/bind9/README.Debian.gz
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699[04:29:46] <Mazhive> oke i have it working i forgot to restart rsyslog.. now i have a different question how to check if a file is completely uploaded according to the log files..
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701[04:30:28] <jmcnaught> roylaprattep: it goes on to explain that the working directory is set to /var/cache/bind so that zone files from masters go there, which makes sense because in that context they're state, not config
702[04:30:38] <roylaprattep> jmcnaught: Well, by default, Debian named.conf.option, put zone files in /var
703[04:30:54] <jmcnaught> but on a master nameserver, zone files are definitely configuration
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705[04:31:34] <roylaprattep> Well, on my home server, they are in /var for me. And it works very well like it.
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707[04:32:10] <roylaprattep> Never had issues with that.
708[04:32:53] <jmcnaught> roylaprattep: as the README.Debian.gz says, you're free to do what you want, but the recommendation is /etc for config, /var for state. That way you have a single directory to backup that contains *all* the config for your system
709[04:33:38] <roylaprattep> Doesn't matter, I have a raid-1 on my server.
710[04:33:41] <jak2000> how to test if wass been configured?
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713[04:34:45] <jmcnaught> roylaprattep: raid != backups
714[04:35:12] <roylaprattep> I know hehe.
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727[04:50:33] <roylaprattep> jmcnaught: I listened to your advice, moved all my zones to /etc/bind ;)
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729[04:51:18] <roylaprattep> jmcnaught: Only "managed-keys.bind" left in /var/cache/bind
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735[04:56:32] <jmcnaught> roylaprattep: cool. on the topic of /etc, do you know about etckeeper?
736[04:57:39] <roylaprattep> nope, what is it?
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738[04:58:32] <jmcnaught> roylaprattep: it helps you keep /etc under version control (defaults to git), has hooks for apt, does daily autocommits. Really helpful when you want to know the history of a file in /etc
739[04:58:48] <jmcnaught> and now your zone files will benefit from it too! :)
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742[04:59:58] <roylaprattep> thanks
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774[05:19:14] <sea{Slemuomule}> I wanted to read the last year of this graph: replaced-url
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799[05:30:05] <ryouma> hmm, some of those colors seem just about indistinguishable
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810[05:33:00] <jak2000> hi all
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815[05:39:36] <jmcnaught> sea{Slemuomule}: i don't know, but the information might be in replaced-url
816[05:41:43] <pingfloyd> hurd-i386 sure has steadily increased
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848[06:10:21] <jak2000> jmcnaught hi are you there?
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852[06:13:25] <flapping> Flap flap flap, i'm a bird
853[06:13:30] <flapping> I CAN FLY!
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855[06:14:27] * sea` soaks flapping
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860[06:19:41] * flapping shits on you all!
861[06:19:45] * flapping is a bird
862[06:19:48] * flapping can fly!
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864[06:21:22] <flapping>
865[06:21:22] <flapping>
866[06:21:23] <flapping>
867[06:21:23] <flapping>
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870[06:21:32] <flapping> fuck
871[06:21:33] <flapping> fu j
872[06:21:34] <flapping> fuck
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884[06:29:06] <BishamonX> Hey, guys. Gnome's Package Updater, does it actually work? Every time I load it up it says no updates available.
885[06:29:14] <BishamonX> Am I missing a configuration or something?
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892[06:33:09] <jmcnaught> BishamonX: does "apt list --upgradable" list any packages?
893[06:34:40] <BishamonX> jmcnaught: At the moment, no, everything is updated. So it works out the box without any configuration?
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895[06:35:18] <BishamonX> Let me rephrase, does it apt update > apt upgrade or do I have to update before opening it?
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907[06:46:24] <BishamonX> I've been reading the documentation about gnome-packagekit, however it's not showing any need for configuration. There is even an update viewer (icon), never seen it pop up.
908[06:46:48] <BishamonX> Either I'm missing something about Gnome's Package Updater or I'm understanding it wrong.
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911[06:48:29] <jmcnaught> BishamonX: it works out of the box here. i've never used it to install updates, but it's told me about them before
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921[06:52:46] <missmbob> BishamonX: keep in mind stable doesn't get updates often
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923[06:53:52] <BishamonX> I'm on Stretch at the moment. I was never able to have Package Updater find updates, I always do it via terminal. Maybe I'm not waiting long enough or something.
924[06:54:03] <missmbob> !tell BishamonX about debian-next
925[06:54:34] <BishamonX> I'm aware of it, thank you. Apologies, I thought since this is a general feature in both sid and stable, it was ok to discuss here.
926[06:55:12] <themill> It would be if anyone actually knew anything about it ;)
927[06:56:13] <BishamonX> About gnome-packagekit?
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929[06:56:42] <BishamonX> Anyway, thanks guys, gonna head out to debian next. Apologies once again. Have a great [insert-timezone]
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1067[08:21:03] <iamawesome> Hi, is it possible to install gnome from debian-8.5.0-i386-CD-1.iso ?
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1071[08:22:07] <themill> You can install gnome using any of the installer images.
1072[08:23:07] <iamawesome> I meant, installing gnome from debian-8.5.0-i386-CD-1.iso
1073[08:23:19] <iamawesome> I don't want to install gnome downloading from internet
1074[08:23:30] <iamawesome> Is gnome include in debian-8.5.0-i386-CD-1.iso?
1075[08:23:45] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell iamawesome about cd contents
1076[08:23:47] <iamawesome> When I install debian using debian-8.5.0-i386-CD-1.iso, i get the console/tty terminal
1077[08:23:48] <themill> All of gnome should be on CD1
1078[08:23:57] <iamawesome> I don't get gnome
1079[08:24:08] <themill> Did you ask for it to be installed?
1080[08:24:28] <iamawesome> It's black terminal though I selected Desktop Environment and Utilities
1081[08:24:52] <iamawesome> themill, Yes, i think, i selected these two options, those were marked/checked/crossed
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1083[08:24:59] <themill> Maybe you should start again and ask your real question ;)
1084[08:25:19] <iamawesome> themill, Start what?
1085[08:25:26] <iamawesome> themill, Gnome didn't start
1086[08:25:43] <iamawesome> Desktop Environment was selected
1087[08:25:49] <iamawesome> Where was the problem?
1088[08:26:09] <binaryc> running socks proxy (tor) can access (testing via curl) localhost but not using hostname. Pointers ?
1089[08:27:02] <binaryc> curl: (7) couldn't connect to host
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1091[08:28:18] <iamawesome> I wanted to install gnome-core
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1095[08:30:08] <iamawesome> Can anyone answer? Why didn't I get gnome desktop?
1096[08:30:27] <iamawesome> I got tty black window login prompt after installation.
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1100[08:31:46] <jmcnaught> iamawesome: you can login there and look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and "systemctl status gdm" as root
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1106[08:35:45] <jmcnaught> binaryc: does 'hostname' resolve to 127.0.1.1?
1107[08:36:09] <binaryc> jmcnaught: yes. hostname resolves to 127.0.1.1
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1109[08:36:57] <binaryc> and I am not asking curl to resolve hostname via proxy . I am curl --socks5 NOT --socks5-hostname
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1125[08:52:20] <pingfloyd> is debian.net unofficial?
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1143[08:59:42] <MaBunny> hello guys
1144[08:59:54] <MaBunny> replaced-url
1145[09:00:10] <MaBunny> is this the stretch iso pagee?
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1147[09:00:36] <babilen> One of many
1148[09:00:45] <MaBunny> ok
1149[09:00:56] <MaBunny> which one is the official
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1151[09:01:29] <babilen> They are all official, but differ in 1. When the image was created (dailies, weeklies, alpha releases, ...) and 2. If they contain firmware
1152[09:01:42] <babilen> (all on cdimage.debian.org)
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1155[09:02:09] <MaBunny> ok,so they can be updated to the latest repos?
1156[09:02:24] <babilen> The firmware ones are unofficial in that contrib and non-free software is not being seen as part of Debian
1157[09:02:40] <MaBunny> yes of course
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1159[09:03:15] <babilen> You can update every Debian installation to the package versions currently in the repositories given enough time, but yes: You can use any of them for installation and download and install updates
1160[09:03:18] <MaBunny> ok thn im downloading from tht page
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1162[09:03:32] <MaBunny> ok
1163[09:03:33] <babilen> Does your hardware require firmware?
1164[09:04:06] <MaBunny> maybe,im downloading for my big bros hardware
1165[09:04:15] <MaBunny> its not for me
1166[09:04:51] <babilen> If so you might want to grab an image from: replaced-url
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1168[09:05:10] <MaBunny> ok then
1169[09:05:31] <babilen> Note that these are alpha releases of the installer and might therefore very well be buggy. Personally I would probably use the weekly, but this weeks version might be broken also.
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1172[09:06:09] <babilen> Alternatively you can install jessie and take it from there
1173[09:06:24] <MaBunny> stretch is meant to be in developing stage
1174[09:06:43] <MaBunny> but it will go on a long way,thts why im installing it
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1177[09:07:35] <MaBunny> but babilen,the page you linked me then,is tht the firmware iso or the iso installer with the firmwares?
1178[09:07:44] <somiaj> MaBunny: you can still install stretch by upgrading jessie to stretch. But if the hardware is not supported with the jessie installer or you want to test the isntaller use the alpha7.
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1180[09:08:06] <babilen> MaBunny: Sorry, I don't quite understand what you are asking
1181[09:08:19] <babilen> What's the difference ?
1182[09:08:35] <MaBunny> idk about the hardware actually,its running a fake windows and he wants to uninstall it n run debian
1183[09:09:05] <babilen> It's okay, the firmware isos work just as well if you do not require it
1184[09:09:28] <MaBunny> well babilen,iwill the firmwqare install a stretch with all firmwares installed?
1185[09:09:46] <babilen> They will include firmware in the final installation, yes
1186[09:09:59] <MaBunny> argh,leave it
1187[09:10:06] <MaBunny> ok
1188[09:10:07] <babilen> leave what?
1189[09:10:10] <EmleyMoor> I've actually got that ISO on my multiboot stick
1190[09:10:26] <MaBunny> no my prev comment
1191[09:10:36] <MaBunny> ok,let me rephrase it
1192[09:10:48] * babilen will try to not stop you
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1194[09:11:10] <MaBunny> will the iso you linked me install the stretch with all firmwares
1195[09:11:21] <MaBunny> required*
1196[09:12:24] <babilen> If your hardware requires firmware and if that firmware is included it will be loaded during the installation and installed on the final system
1197[09:12:42] <MaBunny> from any iso?
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1199[09:12:56] <babilen> Only from the "unofficial" isos that include firmware
1200[09:13:02] <MaBunny> while installing from*
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1202[09:13:23] <CipherZero> -su: git: command not found <— what’s wrong?
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1204[09:13:44] <EmleyMoor> CipherZero: git not installed?
1205[09:13:49] <CipherZero> lol
1206[09:13:52] <CipherZero> then how can i do?
1207[09:13:58] <somiaj> CipherZero: install git.
1208[09:14:03] <CipherZero> how?
1209[09:14:08] <somiaj> CipherZero: apt-get install git
1210[09:14:14] <CipherZero> thanks
1211[09:14:18] <babilen> :)
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1238[09:38:10] * EmleyMoor just clicked "#CatBuzz" on Facebook - top of the page: "Did you mean: #catbus" - my response will be "Do I sound like a Brummie?
1239[09:38:13] <EmleyMoor> "
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1241[09:39:32] <phucktank> can I get some help with UEFI boot? I put debian jessie on a usb drive and it will boot from laptop 1 but not laptop 2. If I do the repair disk and fix it then it will boot on laptop 2 but not laptop 1. Very strange
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1245[09:42:21] <babilen> "do the repair disk" ?
1246[09:43:25] <phucktank> I should have said rescue mode, my bad. On the debian install disk. I open a shell on my usb and reinstall grub to fix the EFI
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1253[09:47:22] <serard> Hello
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1258[09:48:20] <serard> How can I get the partitions names of a usb key without mouting it ? Using raspbian, it's GUI is auto-mounting to /media/pi/${PARTITION_NAME} and would like to have same behavior on console (without GUI+ without sudo)
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1260[09:48:59] <troffasky> /dev/disk/by-name , or something
1261[09:49:28] <troffasky> /dev/disk/by-id
1262[09:49:54] <TomTomTosch> serard: /media/pi/something is where it would be mounted. you can see partitions using lsblk for example or run fdisk -l as root.
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1264[09:51:08] <serard> TomTomTosch, hello; using lsblk after plugging in my usb key I can see /dev/sdb but no mount point
1265[09:51:50] <serard> TomTomTosch, and sudo fdisk -l does not provide partition name (so I can mkdir /media/pi/${mount_point} by myself)
1266[09:52:21] <serard> TomTomTosch, also, it's something the DE is already doing, just want to plug this behavior on my command (booting raspi3 console mode for headless)
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1268[09:53:15] <phucktank> Im not sure of a way to do what you're asking but to mount it you can just "mount /dev/sdb /media/pi/storage" or whatever directory you want it to be
1269[09:53:36] <troffasky> /dev/disk/by-id
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1271[09:54:00] <phucktank> try what troffasky is saying
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1274[09:54:48] <TomTomTosch> so what you want is a tool that automatically mounts everything you plug in.
1275[09:55:34] <troffasky> no, he said "How can I get the partitions names of a usb key without mouting it?"
1276[09:56:44] <troffasky> ah, i see the rest of his question now...
1277[09:56:48] <phucktank> oh I thought he wanted a way to mount it so that it mounts it at /media/pi/UUID
1278[09:57:36] <TomTomTosch> you could try usbmount, never used it myself, though.
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1281[09:58:48] <phucktank> are you wanting the UUID without mounting it? if so try "lsblk -0 uuid,name"
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1283[09:58:58] <dutchfish> well, why not use `sudo lsblk -o name,mountpoint,label,size,uuid`
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1285[09:59:11] <dutchfish> or anything alike
1286[09:59:19] <phucktank> yea not 0 mistype
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1290[10:02:40] <serard> lsblk does not provide the partition name until it's mounted via GUI
1291[10:03:00] <dutchfish> serard, as far as i know, nothing does
1292[10:03:19] <serard> ok, lsblk -o name,mountpoint provides me /media/usb0
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1294[10:03:45] <serard> now I need the partition name so I can symlink it to /media/pi/${partition_name}, we are near :D
1295[10:03:53] <troffasky> how about udevil?
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1297[10:04:05] <joze> can a motherfucker say fuck in here?
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1302[10:04:20] <troffasky> joze, fuck no
1303[10:05:36] <troffasky> "udevil mounts and unmounts removable devices and network shares without requiring a password (set suid), shows device information and monitors device changes. It includes the devmon automounting script"
1304[10:05:54] <phucktank> what exactly do you mean by partition name?
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1306[10:06:25] <serard> on a drive, you can get many partitions, and they can have a name, no ?
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1311[10:07:02] <dutchfish> s/name/label ?
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1313[10:07:11] <phucktank> Yea but if lsblk -o name,mountpoint,uuid,label doesn't show it then I don't know what you're talking about
1314[10:07:12] <serard> yes, sorry
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1321[10:09:23] <serard> phucktank, the label column is blank here :o
1322[10:09:58] <phucktank> it might not have a label. A partition does not need one
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1327[10:12:06] <serard> ok, reboot, thank you all for your inputs !!
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1330[10:13:15] <phucktank> any idea why my efi usb will boot in one computer but no others? I can get it to boot in another laptop by using recovery mode and reinstalling grub, but then it won't boot off the previous laptop
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1335[10:17:03] <serard> ok, lsblk -o uuid gave me what I want, thank you all again !
1336[10:18:04] <phucktank> You're welcome
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1338[10:19:17] <dutchfish> phucktank, Under EFI, boot loaders are stored as files in the EFI System Partition (ESP). Ordinarily, such files have names that are unique to the OS, such as EFI/debian/grubx64.efi for Debian. Because of this fact, boot loaders must be registered in the firmware's NVRAM.
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1340[10:20:14] <phucktank> dutchfish, so I can't have my usb uefi and just plug it into any computer and it work?
1341[10:20:28] <dutchfish> phucktank, not directly, no
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1343[10:21:12] <dutchfish> phucktank, check out boot-repair for that
1344[10:21:19] <dutchfish> (wiki)
1345[10:21:34] <phucktank> dutchfish, how is the ubuntu live usb able to achieve it then?
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1347[10:22:10] <dutchfish> phucktank, just hinted that, see wiki boot-repair (there are others)
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1352[10:22:51] <dutchfish> phucktank, or use a computer with bios instead
1353[10:23:23] <dutchfish> phucktank, some have both (switchable)
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1357[10:26:08] <dutchfish> replaced-url
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1360[10:26:59] <phucktank> dutchfish, is Force grub-efi installation to the removable media path the section i need?
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1362[10:27:34] <dutchfish> phucktank, not sure, it is a while ago i used it, just read it all
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1368[10:30:36] <phucktank> dutchfish, what it sounds like is I need to make a efi entry in /boot/bootx64.efi instead of /debian/grubx63.efi
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1374[10:32:55] <dutchfish> phucktank, normally you need to make you stick aware of the partition scheme (UEFI) of the computer you want ot use it on. Also see replaced-url
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1376[10:33:46] <dutchfish> phucktank, in any case, make backups before you starting fidling around with your uefi
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1380[10:34:48] <phucktank> dutchfish, okay I'm going to try a few things.
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1390[10:47:04] <phucktank> dutchfish, loading in the recovery mode with debian installer using the option force grub in UEFI removable media path solved my issue
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1441[11:27:19] <Lady> test
1442[11:27:34] <Lady> I do not know who listen
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1444[11:27:40] <Logg> it worked.
1445[11:27:49] <Lady> but US and Russia want war
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1447[11:28:00] <Lady> I hate it
1448[11:28:09] <Lady> so
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1450[11:28:28] <Lady> I will alway<s be a Lady
1451[11:28:35] <themill> Lady: please take the hint and fuck off
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1463[11:34:28] <Linux4UnMe> LOL
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1466[11:36:35] <doflamingo> hello, please help me how to downgrade network-manager-gnome to previous release
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1468[11:38:03] <Logg> apt-get install network-manager-gnome=[xxxxxxx] where [xxxx] is version number you want
1469[11:38:16] <cast> keeping in mind debian doesn't support package downgrades
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1474[11:39:24] <doflamingo> thank you, i will try
1475[11:39:28] <cast> doflamingo: what's your actual problem?
1476[11:40:32] <troffasky> how can i list installed packages by size?
1477[11:40:51] <troffasky> "dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size} ${Package}\n' | sort -n " is close
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1479[11:40:56] <doflamingo> cast, it seems affect nm-applet behavior.. and theme/icons.. am i right?
1480[11:41:00] <troffasky> but it includes packages that aren't installed
1481[11:41:42] <themill> troffasky: try purging packages that are removed but not purged (/msg dpkg purge). You can also /msg dpkg sort by size
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1483[11:42:57] <troffasky> OK, 1379 packages in state rc :-D
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1485[11:44:38] <troffasky> i am going to assume that purging mysql-server-5.5 won't affect config files for mysql-server-5.6
1486[11:44:40] <themill> troffasky: nice work. aptitude search '~c'; aptitude purge '~c'
1487[11:44:47] <themill> correct
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1489[11:45:09] <troffasky> hmm, don't have aptitude installed
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1495[11:47:52] <troffasky> well perhaps i'll make more use of aptitude in future, most of what i do is made of dpkg, apt, grep and awk
1496[11:48:10] <doflamingo> cast, nm-applet is not started in xfce but no problem in fluxbox
1497[11:48:16] <DarsVaeda> hi, if I dd a 4TB drive that is filled just with 25GB do I need 4TB or 25GB space for the image?
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1499[11:49:00] <troffasky> is the partition 4TB?
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1501[11:49:07] <DarsVaeda> yes
1502[11:49:12] <Logg> DarsVaeda: It would depend on how data is distributed on the disk
1503[11:49:21] <Logg> best is to just dd the whole 4 TB then archive it
1504[11:49:46] <troffasky> I'm sure there's a tool that will make a sensible-sized image of a mostly-empty partition
1505[11:49:50] <DarsVaeda> well my problem is I don't have another 4TB ;)
1506[11:49:54] <troffasky> as it's not an unusual use-case
1507[11:50:11] <troffasky> you could pipe it through gzip but i'm sure there's a more appropriate ready-made tool
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1513[11:51:11] <DarsVaeda> ok thanks
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1517[11:53:14] <Logg> You could resize the partition
1518[11:53:17] <Logg> then copy just the partition
1519[11:54:38] <DarsVaeda> no the drive failed, so I just wanted to try to make a backup at least
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1521[11:55:17] <DarsVaeda> but as I don't have the space I'm pretty limited
1522[11:56:17] <Logg> How can you access the drive if it failed? :\
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1524[11:56:58] <troffasky> ok so you want ddrescue, not dd then
1525[11:57:11] <DarsVaeda> can access it and list folders, sometimes files...I'm just clutching at straws here ^^
1526[11:57:38] <Logg> I like testdisk also
1527[11:58:16] <troffasky> DarsVaeda, lots of ideas here: replaced-url
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1535[12:00:12] <DarsVaeda> ah thanks I'll read through that
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1539[12:01:23] <john_s> what is the proper way to override an existing kernel module (by alias) these days?
1540[12:01:28] <DarsVaeda> I suppose (or desperately hope) the controller is defective so I'm not sure anything will work anyway
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1543[12:03:16] <sphaleri1e> If I switch to another virtual console, my music stops unless I'm logged into that virtual console. How does this behaviour work and how can I modify it?
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1564[12:15:26] <gebruiker> any tips on fine tuning ext4 for desktop?
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1567[12:16:08] <john_s> do I simply blacklist the device I want to override? I mean the kernel module I don't want to be use, and want to be superseded by my own, without actually replacing it on disk.
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1581[12:23:57] <Logg> yeah john_s
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1585[12:26:42] <john_s> thanks Logg, should it simply go to /etc/modprobe.d/file? There is also stuff in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias but these are hashed and I don't know how to regen that yet.
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1589[12:29:12] <Logg> yeah that's where I have mine and it works
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1596[12:32:35] <john_s> I'm just wondering how and if I can put the alias information in the kernel tree itself (/lib/modules tree). Does depmod actually regen that?...
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1599[12:34:37] <john_s> what do you know, it does. The man page doesn't mention it.
1600[12:34:44] <john_s> Doesn't mention that.
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1614[12:38:36] <vvuja> anyone familiar with pre-Internet usage of computers via BBS
1615[12:38:44] <vvuja> I would like to try something
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1619[12:40:42] <Logg> there's some BBS servers you can still connect to out there
1620[12:40:51] <vvuja> no I have BBS server
1621[12:40:58] <vvuja> I need someone with putty
1622[12:41:03] <vvuja> to try telnetting in
1623[12:41:23] <Logg> okay, I have telnet.
1624[12:41:33] <vvuja> make it use Control-H as backspace
1625[12:41:40] <vvuja> telnet wolf.adminmaster.org 7000
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1627[12:42:36] <vvuja> create your account (hope the backspace works)
1628[12:42:42] <vvuja> and type in /n
1629[12:42:47] <vvuja> to go to node chat
1630[12:42:57] <Logg> yup, ctrl-h to backspace works.
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1634[12:43:51] <browsel> how can i enter network log on terminal
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1636[12:44:42] <vvuja> thanks logg
1637[12:44:46] <Logg> that was fun lol.
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1639[12:44:57] <vvuja> well it is a public system
1640[12:45:03] <vvuja> called Wolf's Lair
1641[12:45:14] <vvuja> I just need to setup conferences
1642[12:45:23] <vvuja> and file areas
1643[12:45:32] <vvuja> but that is stupid since we have broadband internet today
1644[12:45:38] <vvuja> but it can be fun over mobile
1645[12:45:41] <browsel> logg , do you have idea?
1646[12:45:41] <vvuja> :)
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1653[12:47:30] <john_s> browsel: what is a log?
1654[12:47:43] <john_s> browsel: older iptraf is nice tool but doesn't work with newer network names.
1655[12:47:57] <Logg> browsel: not really. I don't know what network log you want.
1656[12:48:12] <browsel> like .bash_history
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1658[12:48:39] <john_s> a base system does not keep network logs.
1659[12:48:43] <browsel> btw if i want to find all .bash_history located , how?
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1662[12:49:01] <john_s> type "history"
1663[12:49:10] <vvuja> find /home -name '*bash_history*'
1664[12:49:24] <vvuja> this ?
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1666[12:49:29] <Akuli> locate .bash_history
1667[12:49:36] <vvuja> ^ this is better
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1669[12:50:03] <Akuli> it does search the whole system, but it's still fast because it just keeps a list of all files on the system
1670[12:50:11] <vvuja> as root
1671[12:50:16] <Akuli> sometimes the list needs to be updated with sudo updatedb
1672[12:50:21] <vvuja> find /home -name '*bash_history*'
1673[12:50:27] <vvuja> and you have one in /root
1674[12:50:36] <vvuja> those are all called .bash_history
1675[12:50:41] <vvuja> in each home directory of user
1676[12:50:48] <vvuja> /root is for root user
1677[12:50:51] <vvuja> others are in /home
1678[12:50:53] <vvuja> there you go
1679[12:51:01] <browsel> but there is alot of bash and there is alot of dir
1680[12:51:10] <vvuja> browsel
1681[12:51:15] <browsel> i want to know all bash locations
1682[12:51:19] <browsel> not only homes
1683[12:51:33] <vvuja> /etc /home and /root
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1685[12:51:37] <vvuja> there is no other
1686[12:51:41] <john_s> there is only one history file per user
1687[12:51:47] <vvuja> browsel,
1688[12:51:48] <vvuja> su -
1689[12:51:50] <vvuja> password
1690[12:51:57] <vvuja> cat /root/.bash_history
1691[12:52:03] <vvuja> for root's history of commands
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1693[12:52:13] <vvuja> find /home -name '*bash_history*'
1694[12:52:22] <vvuja> and then look through out each user's history of commands
1695[12:52:22] <john_s> but by default it does not update the file until you close the shell :/.
1696[12:52:23] <vvuja> simple
1697[12:52:32] <vvuja> yes
1698[12:52:34] <browsel> su - does not working
1699[12:52:53] <vvuja> do you have root on that machine
1700[12:53:04] <vvuja> # or $ prompt
1701[12:53:05] <vvuja> which one
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1703[12:53:12] <browsel> #
1704[12:53:17] <vvuja> then you have root
1705[12:53:19] <vvuja> cd /root
1706[12:53:24] <vvuja> ls -l .bash_history
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1708[12:53:37] <vvuja> find /home -name '*bash_history*'
1709[12:53:44] <vvuja> and you will find user's histories
1710[12:53:50] <vvuja> those are text files
1711[12:53:58] <browsel> hexdump su what does that mean
1712[12:54:09] <vvuja> now that is another question
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1715[12:54:19] <vvuja> what exactly do you want?
1716[12:54:29] <vvuja> list of commands of some user
1717[12:54:32] <vvuja> network log
1718[12:54:37] <vvuja> you are not clear with your questions
1719[12:54:49] <browsel> im trying to find what i want by my self
1720[12:54:57] <vvuja> ok then find it
1721[12:54:59] <browsel> i just asking qustions to know
1722[12:55:04] <vvuja> I have something else to do
1723[12:55:07] <vvuja> later
1724[12:55:21] <browsel> what does hexdump su mean?
1725[12:56:20] <browsel> vvuja can i pm you?
1726[12:56:33] <vvuja> busy atm
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1728[12:56:36] <vvuja> sorry
1729[12:56:58] <browsel> np
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1768[13:22:21] <saboru> burp
1769[13:22:29] <saboru> sorry bout that
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1795[13:42:52] <freakyy> hi all. my debian 8.6 server doesnt seemt o recognize some package changes in an owncloud.list. replaced-url
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1798[13:43:25] <freakyy> in the owncloud.list theres: deb replaced-url
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1800[13:44:31] <freakyy> it says: W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
1801[13:44:35] <freakyy> when doing apt-get uipdate
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1810[13:46:55] <TomTomTosch> repeatedly?
1811[13:47:10] <freakyy> yes
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1813[13:47:58] <freakyy> oh wait theres also W: An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: replaced-url
1814[13:48:05] <freakyy> wait ill try to import key
1815[13:49:25] <freakyy> now i got it working thanks
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1820[13:50:53] <teraflops> that's why sharing the exact unparaphrased error is always helpful
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1828[13:54:24] <gebruiker> is there a debian sid installer?
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1837[13:58:52] <oo_miguel> I am playing with unprivileged lxc containers but I have troubles running a jessie container on jessie. Anyone managed to accomplish this? a wheezy container works fine. I use the "download" template when creating a new container
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1841[14:00:56] <init7> Hi could please help me how to fix How to fix /lib/ld-linux.so.2: bad ELF interpreter: No such file or directory
1842[14:00:56] <init7> Could someone please help me how to fix /lib/ld-linux.so.2: bad ELF
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1861[14:12:30] <john_s> init7: install 32 bit library
1862[14:13:03] <john_s> apt install libc6-i386
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1865[14:13:54] <john_s> oo_miguel: is it related only to unprivileged?
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1869[14:14:39] <RQ> hi, I have a question: how come sleep lines are ignored in init.d scripts, at least when run from command line?
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1872[14:14:48] <john_s> oo_miguel: and what is your error? fails to download packages?
1873[14:14:50] <oo_miguel> john_s: hmm I did not test it
1874[14:15:05] <oo_miguel> john_s: Failed to mount cgroup at /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd: Operation not permitted
1875[14:15:17] <oo_miguel> john_s: but I did only test it via unprivileged
1876[14:16:02] <john_s> oo_miguel: yeah that seems like a privilege error...
1877[14:16:19] <john_s> RQ: they are being redirected to systemd, that might have an effect.
1878[14:16:52] <RQ> john_s: you mean the actual init.d script is not being run?
1879[14:16:55] <john_s> oo_miguel: I have no experience with unprivileged, but you are getting this while starting the container right.
1880[14:17:04] <oo_miguel> john_s: I found a post that states its due to limitations of the systemd version on jessie
1881[14:17:07] <john_s> RQ: it might, let me find the way to prevent it.
1882[14:17:11] <john_s> ok
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1887[14:17:40] <oo_miguel> john_s: maybe I should try getting a newer systemd...
1888[14:18:24] <john_s> RQ: try to do this first: export _SYSTEMCTL_SKIP_REDIRECT=1
1889[14:18:49] <RQ> john_s: hm, how does systemd restart a daemon for example? cuz the issue I'm facing is that a daemon fails to restart because it hasn't fully stopped yet
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1891[14:19:23] <john_s> oo_miguel: that's difficult :p.
1892[14:19:33] <john_s> oo_miguel: but maybe you can get one from stretch repo?
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1894[14:20:05] <oo_miguel> john_s: I will give it a try, thanks
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1897[14:20:31] <john_s> RQ: not sure normally systemd tries to keep a daemon PID around to kill it by force if it needs to.... but in general it will simply run the ExecStop action.?.
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1902[14:21:21] <RQ> john_s: so I guess it uses the variables supplied at the top of init.d script?
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1905[14:22:18] <john_s> RQ: if the program is not supplied with a systemd service of its own, systemd will create a wrapper service for it that just uses the init.d script, but if you run it manually it may be prevented from running if you run the script directly, so you would have to use the systemd actions for it.
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1907[14:22:45] <john_s> RQ: some of those variables are used, yes, but ... barely.
1908[14:23:04] <john_s> I mean, it may use some but not others.
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1910[14:23:11] <RQ> john_s: and where are the systemd services located? because I think the package supplies one, but dpkg -L doesn't show anything of interest
1911[14:23:24] <vvuja> /etc/systemd
1912[14:23:53] <vvuja> then find the target
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1914[14:24:01] <vvuja> system or user target
1915[14:24:08] <vvuja> for service
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1917[14:24:28] <vvuja> basically those are symlinks to real locations
1918[14:24:45] <vvuja> if you delete symlink it is the same as systemctl remove service.init
1919[14:24:49] <john_s> if it does not show anything then check /run/systemd/generator.late/
1920[14:24:58] <vvuja> yes
1921[14:25:16] <RQ> aha! it's there
1922[14:25:35] <vvuja> john_s, glad to be of assistance
1923[14:25:36] <teraflops> RQ: did you say which sysvnit script is giving you problems? a custom one?
1924[14:26:01] <RQ> teraflops: hiawatha web server, it's not shipped by Debian
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1926[14:26:46] <RQ> during restart, it fails to bind to 0.0.0.0:80, that's the issue
1927[14:26:56] <teraflops> ,v hiawatha
1928[14:26:57] <judd> No package named 'hiawatha' was found in amd64.
1929[14:26:59] <vvuja> RQ
1930[14:27:02] <vvuja> wait
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1933[14:27:09] <vvuja> netstat -anlp | grep 80
1934[14:27:19] <vvuja> find first which program binded to port 80
1935[14:27:21] <RQ> vvuja: O
1936[14:27:25] <vvuja> if it is apache2
1937[14:27:30] <vvuja> systemctl stop apache2
1938[14:27:42] <vvuja> systemctl remove apache2
1939[14:27:44] <RQ> vvuja: I'm pretty sure it would be hiawatha itself, because approximately every second restart succeds
1940[14:27:47] <RQ> *succeeds
1941[14:27:48] <OS-24440> can some one here help me with payday box?
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1943[14:27:56] <vvuja> something then binded on 80
1944[14:27:56] <OS-24440> im stuck
1945[14:28:02] <vvuja> and it tries again
1946[14:28:07] <vvuja> check first what binded on port 80
1947[14:28:08] <RQ> vvuja: it's hiawatha itself, that's the issue
1948[14:28:14] <vvuja> ok ok
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1952[14:28:30] <RQ> apache and nginx init.d scripts have a "sleep 1" line in their do_stop function
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1954[14:28:40] <teraflops> vvuja: maybe blindly suggesting to remove apache2 is not a good idea
1955[14:28:42] <RQ> hiawatha's doesn't, that's why I think this is the actual issue
1956[14:28:52] <OS-24440> can someone help?
1957[14:29:08] <vvuja> teraflops, yes but if he wants different anything on port 80 then apache2 must be off
1958[14:29:19] <vvuja> RQ check netstat -anlp | grep 80
1959[14:29:27] <vvuja> RQ check netstat -anlp | grep ":80"
1960[14:29:31] <teraflops> vvuja: how did yo inferred it?
1961[14:29:32] <vvuja> can you give me output
1962[14:29:45] <RQ> vvuja: I would have to do that during the service restart :)
1963[14:29:54] <vvuja> nope do it now
1964[14:29:54] <john_s> RQ: have you run the command?
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1966[14:30:06] <RQ> john_s: netstat?
1967[14:30:09] <vvuja> yes
1968[14:30:18] <john_s> RQ: export _SYSTEMCTL_SKIP_REDIRECT=1
1969[14:30:28] <OS-24440> can anyone help with 10.11.1.24 ?
1970[14:30:36] <OS-24440> please...
1971[14:30:40] <john_s> RQ: would ostensibly allow you to run the script manually
1972[14:30:50] <RQ> john_s: I ran the init.d script with this variable in effect, it seems to help, thanks :)
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1974[14:30:57] <OS-24440> ???????
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1976[14:31:08] <vvuja> RQ no more bind issues
1977[14:31:11] <vvuja> ?
1978[14:31:24] <john_s> RQ: so it should work for putting sleep in there, is all I'm saying.
1979[14:31:29] <OS-24440> can anyone help with 10.11.1.24 ?
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1981[14:31:43] <RQ> vvuja: actually, there are still some
1982[14:31:48] <john_s> RQ: but systemd cannot kill the main process because it is forked and it does not know the PID
1983[14:31:50] <RQ> I guess I'll have to increase the sleep interval
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1985[14:32:01] <vvuja> ok give me output of netstat -anlp | grep ":80"
1986[14:32:06] <vvuja> it is one line
1987[14:32:13] <teraflops> RQ: grab a systemd unit file or write one
1988[14:32:20] <cast> whenever you see a sleep fixed_time in a script, you know unreliability is near
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1990[14:32:29] <RQ> john_s: I'm just gonna add a sleep line to stop() as well :)
1991[14:32:33] <teraflops> also, is that hiawatha thing i debian?
1992[14:32:35] <RQ> and maybe turn sleep 1 into sleep 2 or so
1993[14:32:36] <teraflops> in*
1994[14:32:55] <RQ> teraflops: like I said, it's not an official package from Debian
1995[14:32:58] <teraflops> lolsleep
1996[14:33:00] <vvuja> ok give me output of netstat -anlp | grep ":80"
1997[14:33:05] <teraflops> RQ: sounds awful
1998[14:33:07] <vvuja> if you want me to debug more
1999[14:33:12] <john_s> RQ: if you stop it and it exits normally? and you have no issues manually starting it?
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2002[14:33:43] <RQ> teraflops: that's what's in init.d files for apache and nginx. I guess they just tend not to clean up and exit instantly
2003[14:34:05] <vvuja> ok seems my help is not appriciated
2004[14:34:06] <vvuja> thanks
2005[14:34:08] <vvuja> see you
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2007[14:34:24] <teraflops> RQ: at least those *official* sysvinit scripts work
2008[14:34:44] <teraflops> vvuja: yeah you better bail o that one
2009[14:34:53] <teraflops> on*
2010[14:34:59] <RQ> john_s: I think it does.
2011[14:35:04] <vvuja> he have a problem that something is already binded on port 80
2012[14:35:09] <vvuja> and it can not be binded again
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2014[14:35:21] <RQ> vvuja: do you expect me to issue the restart, then wait for it to fail, then issue the command for you?
2015[14:35:21] <vvuja> so all I was asking is to see what holds port 80
2016[14:35:23] <john_s> RQ: so you only have it on restart? and not on stop ..... start?
2017[14:35:28] <vvuja> nope
2018[14:35:33] <vvuja> you just do this
2019[14:35:41] <vvuja> netstat -anlp | grep ":80"
2020[14:35:44] <RQ> vvuja: gosh, ok.
2021[14:35:44] <vvuja> and give me the output
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2023[14:35:58] <vvuja> don't restart anything
2024[14:36:08] <RQ> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 7793/hiawatha
2025[14:36:21] <vvuja> so your web server is already listening on port 80
2026[14:36:23] <john_s> he already knew that.
2027[14:36:26] <vvuja> ok
2028[14:36:32] <vvuja> telnet localhost 80
2029[14:36:34] * RQ shrugs
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2032[14:36:45] <vvuja> yes that is why asked this
2033[14:36:48] <vvuja> telnet localhost 80
2034[14:36:52] <RQ> and?
2035[14:36:55] <john_s> vvuja: he already knows his webserver did not exit cleanly and was still running.
2036[14:37:04] <vvuja> you will get connected
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2038[14:37:08] <vvuja> GET / HTTP/1.1
2039[14:37:12] <vvuja> and press enter
2040[14:37:16] <RQ> yes, I am connected, then it times out in a second or so
2041[14:37:16] <vvuja> if your web server responds
2042[14:37:27] <RQ> with a request timeout message
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2047[14:37:41] <vvuja> wrongly configured maybe
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2049[14:37:55] <vvuja> on GET / HTTP/1.1
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2051[14:38:00] <vvuja> it should respond with server signature
2052[14:38:05] <Shaiz> can someone help me?
2053[14:38:08] <vvuja> which means your webserver is working
2054[14:38:12] <vvuja> if it times out
2055[14:38:18] <john_s> RQ, do you also get the issue when you manually stop first?
2056[14:38:24] <vvuja> then it is wrong configuration of that hiawatha
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2058[14:38:31] <vvuja> that is all I'm saying
2059[14:38:31] <RQ> vvuja: wow you're persistant... the server works fine, just the restart doesn't
2060[14:38:50] <RQ> john_s: I've edited the init script, and the problem is now gone
2061[14:38:56] <john_s> thanks.
2062[14:38:59] <vvuja> great problem is solved
2063[14:39:03] <vvuja> persistant or not
2064[14:39:06] <vvuja> :)
2065[14:39:09] <vvuja> enjoy
2066[14:39:18] <RQ> john_s: two seconds of sleep seem to give it enough time to wrap up
2067[14:39:26] <vvuja> you can always restart the service by killing the PID
2068[14:39:27] <john_s> yes but not really thanks to your netstat lines vvuja...
2069[14:39:39] <vvuja> tried to help
2070[14:39:42] <vvuja> excuse me
2071[14:39:43] <john_s> RQ: right.
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2073[14:40:46] <RQ> vvuja: yeah, the thing is, the other guy who actually wanted Hiawatha in the first place, uses Webmin almost exclusively, and he tends not to know very well how things work, so he thought hiawatha was failing with a wrong message due to a bad config, while in reality, the reason was this
2074[14:41:19] <vvuja> ok glad that it is fixed
2075[14:41:26] <vvuja> with or without my help or thanks
2076[14:41:27] <RQ> thanks to everyone, and john_s especially. restarting the webserver now succeeds consistently, that's all I needed
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2078[14:41:35] <vvuja> that is the idea
2079[14:41:39] <vvuja> fixing the problem
2080[14:41:43] <vvuja> not who is the winner
2081[14:41:45] <RQ> yep :)
2082[14:41:46] <vvuja> john_s, ;)
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2084[14:41:52] <john_s> then don't try to compete man...
2085[14:41:56] <john_s> jezus.
2086[14:42:00] <vvuja> ok :)
2087[14:42:01] <hexadecimal> hello o/
2088[14:42:07] <vvuja> gave my 5 dollars of help
2089[14:42:16] <RQ> :D
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2091[14:42:39] <vvuja> john_s, ok sorry if I was offending
2092[14:43:32] <john_s> he just already knew the issue, didn't need troubleshooting in that area or regard, that's all. It was not necessary, he already knew it. That's all I was saying. That's all...
2093[14:43:45] <vvuja> ok :)
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2095[14:43:56] <vvuja> I will drink one coffee then
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2097[14:44:24] <vvuja> cheers mate
2098[14:44:32] <john_s> :) have a good one ;-).
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2103[14:45:39] <jim> I heard that you guys scheduled a freeze of testing for sometime next year... does that indicate anything about whether testing is thought to be done?
2104[14:45:55] <john_s> RQ: just saying that systemd will generate a file for the service and put it in /run/systemd/generator.late, that's all I was saying. You could see what it was doing there, and those are the commands actually run by systemd, thanks.
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2108[14:46:41] <RQ> john_s: yes, I found that file, and that file says that during a restart systemd executes init.d stop and init.d start instead of init.d restart
2109[14:47:06] <RQ> that's why I had to add sleep 2 to both stop (for systemd) and restart (for non-systemd)
2110[14:47:24] * RQ is reporting this to package maintainer right now
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2113[14:48:02] <john_s> RQ: systemd has no restart action really? But generally init scripts also do not, and they execute stop and start also.
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2116[14:48:55] <RQ> john_s: not this one :)
2117[14:49:27] <john_s> RQ: as to your previous question systemd will ignore runlevels and will just run the script as a basic service for multi-user.target
2118[14:49:50] <RQ> john_s: replaced-url
2119[14:49:53] <RQ> systemd file
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2121[14:49:59] <RQ> no restart there
2122[14:50:09] <RQ> so I assume it runs ExecStop and ExecStart
2123[14:50:12] <john_s> I know that, they are all identical.
2124[14:50:17] <john_s> yes
2125[14:50:26] <john_s> alright :).
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2127[14:52:42] <john_s> I think systemd assumes runlevels 2-5 are identical.
2128[14:53:19] <deemel> hey, I'm having a problem with a package that seems to lose its configuration after rebooting. I wrote it together in a post on unix-linux stackexchange, is it okay if I post the link here?
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2131[14:53:56] <RQ> john_s: and yeah, the restart in init.d file doesn't trigger stop or start, but instead runs commands itself.
2132[14:54:02] <john_s> right.
2133[14:54:19] <RQ> deemel: sure
2134[14:54:27] <john_s> so that's why, maybe it just runs kill -SIGHUP
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2137[14:54:41] <RQ> no, it runs start-stop-daemon
2138[14:55:04] <john_s> forgot how that works ;-).
2139[14:55:09] <teraflops> RQ: use a sane systemd unit file
2140[14:55:23] <RQ> teraflops: I'll let the package maintainer supply one
2141[14:55:40] <teraflops> pfff
2142[14:55:45] <vvuja> and kill -9 `pidof <program_name>`
2143[14:55:49] <RQ> but first I'll send him a patch to at least make the current one work
2144[14:55:51] <deemel> replaced-url
2145[14:56:04] <vvuja> systemctl start service
2146[14:56:11] <deemel> hope it isn't too stupid of a question
2147[14:56:20] <vvuja> that would restart it but in non fashioned way
2148[14:56:22] <john_s> RQ: the thing is getting redirected in /lib/lsb/init-functions which are sourced by all init scripts.
2149[14:56:35] <RQ> john_s: I see, thanks
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2151[14:56:55] <RQ> deemel: that configuration doesn't reside in /tmp, right? :)
2152[14:57:13] <deemel> RQ I don't know, to be honest
2153[14:57:32] <deemel> how can I check where a packages configuration is ?
2154[14:57:38] <teraflops> RQ: replaced-url
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2156[14:58:53] <RQ> teraflops: did you just write this one up?
2157[14:59:01] <teraflops> lord no
2158[14:59:09] <teraflops> I just have internet
2159[14:59:12] <john_s> deemel: first run dpkg -L <package name> to see all the files.
2160[14:59:16] <RQ> teraflops: lol :D
2161[14:59:20] <teraflops> ;D
2162[14:59:28] <RQ> fair enough
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2164[15:00:48] <teraflops> RQ: then you put in /etc/systemd/system for the unit file not getting eventually overrided and youre good to go
2165[15:01:12] <RQ> teraflops: actually, Hiawatha's author supplies a script, it's just that the packager seems to have forgotten to include it in the package
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2167[15:01:28] <deemel> john_s okay, I'm seeing various files in /etc/ and /usr/share
2168[15:01:47] <teraflops> looks saner that using a meh sysvinit file and generating a systemd unit on the fly by clutrefucking sysvinit generator
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2170[15:02:09] <teraflops> RQ: low quality package then I guess
2171[15:02:33] <RQ> well by Debian standards, maybe
2172[15:03:02] <teraflops> RQ: since that package is not in debian repos I dont think so
2173[15:03:32] <RQ> teraflops: it supplies it's own copy of mbedtls libs, and bundles at least one executable which I believe could be shipped separately
2174[15:03:56] <RQ> so yeah, not very awesome
2175[15:04:01] <teraflops> heh
2176[15:04:49] <john_s> deemel: strangely there is no module. let me check it.
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2180[15:07:08] <john_s> deemel: the module is part of the main kernel and it is not blacklisted so it should be getting loaded but it might not get loaded automatically
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2183[15:07:45] <john_s> deemel: try to add it to /etc/modules by saying: echo "psmouse" >> /etc/modules as root, or echo "psmouse" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules as user.
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2186[15:08:10] <john_s> deemel: meanwhile, just try modprobe psmouse before you reboot.
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2205[15:12:56] <deemel> john_s did 'echo "psmouse" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules as user' now
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2208[15:13:11] <john_s> noo
2209[15:13:12] <deemel> not sure what you mean by modprobe psmouse before I reboot
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2211[15:13:26] <john_s> as user meant not running it as root
2212[15:13:35] <john_s> it's not part of the command line :p.
2213[15:13:48] <john_s> now you have just created 2 extra files "as" and "user" ;-).
2214[15:13:54] <deemel> I know
2215[15:14:00] <john_s> modprobe psmouse will load the module.
2216[15:14:00] <deemel> just copied it like this from chat
2217[15:14:05] <john_s> ok
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2223[15:14:38] <john_s> after the module is loaded it should work.
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2225[15:14:54] <john_s> /etc/modules will cause it to be loaded at boot time.
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2227[15:15:18] <john_s> the package did run modprobe after installation but did not install it to /etc/modules or something similar.
2228[15:15:36] <john_s> that's why it worked after installing the package.
2229[15:15:57] <deemel> okay, I'll quickly try if it works now
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2234[15:16:55] <john_s> if you want to see for yourself.... go to the directory where you have the package. Then execute dpkg-deb -e <package name> .; cd DEBIAN; cat postinst
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2238[15:18:38] <jak2000> jmcnaught
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2240[15:18:42] <jak2000> good morning to all
2241[15:19:02] <baraba> mornin'
2242[15:19:27] <deemel> back
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2244[15:19:45] <deemel> psmouse is in /etc/modules now, but that didn't suffice
2245[15:20:04] <deemel> also I found that the modprobe command is not found
2246[15:20:13] <john_s> sudo modprobe
2247[15:21:13] <deemel> ah
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2251[15:24:13] <john_s> it is a system command and normally not found in the path of a normal user.
2252[15:24:27] <deemel> yeah
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2254[15:24:45] <john_s> which means it is not in your PATH as a regular user which is an environment variable that specifies where to find executable files.
2255[15:25:04] <jim> deemel, the dir where modprobe is, is normally just in root's $PATH
2256[15:25:17] <deemel> so psmouse is in the modules file, so it should be loaded. However that does not do the trick, neither does sudo modprobe psmouse
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2258[15:26:13] <john_s> you may need to restart your window manager? or desktop-environment, or whatever.
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2262[15:26:59] <john_s> and I assume you have not yet rebooted?
2263[15:27:04] <deemel> I have
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2265[15:27:20] <john_s> can you type "lsmod | grep psmouse"
2266[15:27:53] <deemel> psmouse 99249 0
2267[15:27:58] <deemel> that's what's coming out
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2270[15:28:56] <jim> deemel, so it looks like the psmouse driver/module is present
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2272[15:29:03] <jim> and insertee
2273[15:29:06] <jim> d
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2275[15:30:41] <john_s> there simpy isn't anything else the installation of the package accomplishes. So I am at a loss here.
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2281[15:32:01] <john_s> but I would suggest you logout of your desktop session and then log back in, to see if it changes anything?
2282[15:32:12] <deemel> will do
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2286[15:32:41] <bwrosol> when i change the passwd its says authentication token manipulation error
2287[15:32:43] <bwrosol> why?
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2291[15:33:40] <deemel> nope, nothing
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2294[15:34:28] <john_s> I had written this while you were logged out: if you want to see for yourself.... go to the directory where you have the package. Then execute dpkg-deb -e <package name>; cd DEBIAN; cat postinst
2295[15:35:02] <john_s> anyway, the only last thing I can mention is to run sudo depmod; but there really should be no issue now.
2296[15:35:57] <deemel> "Then execute dpkg-deb -e <package name>; cd DEBIAN; cat postinst" Followed this so far
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2300[15:37:02] <deemel> looking at a script that calls 'modprobe -r psmouse >/dev/null 2>&1' and 'modprobe psmouse >/dev/null 2>&1'
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2303[15:37:16] <deemel> that's what's in the postinst
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2305[15:37:17] <AlexPortable> is there any web based gui availble for setting up a wifi hotspot?
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2316[15:39:24] <deemel> sorry, killed my touchpad so I had to quickly restart ^^
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2320[15:40:10] <john_s> deemel: the first line removes an existing module (unload) and the second line does what you have already done.
2321[15:40:19] <john_s> I can really not be of any further assistence now here.
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2323[15:41:12] <deemel> huh, that's odd
2324[15:41:19] <deemel> thank you very much for you support though :)
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2328[15:42:03] <john_s> last thing you can try is modprobe -r psmouse; modprobe psmouse proto=bare
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2333[15:43:18] <deemel> okay, just shortly ran the package install real quick so I can't test it now
2334[15:44:10] <deemel> I'll try it when logging out next time. Would it be a reasonable alternative to run 'sudo dpkg -i Downloads/tp-trackpoint-elantech_0.2-1~trusty_all.deb' startup?
2335[15:44:19] <deemel> I mean, it's ugly, but still
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2339[15:45:26] <john_s> you could but I would wonder why this didn't work in the first place.
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2341[15:45:54] <deemel> well I'm at a loss, to be honest
2342[15:46:24] <john_s> just echo "dpkg -i /home/<user>/Downloads/tp .... .deb" to /etc/rc.local like before.
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2345[15:46:57] <john_s> or copy it with your editor, no need for sudo there.
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2349[15:47:41] <deemel> ah okay
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2353[15:49:52] <bwrosol> how can i cp file from dir to dir
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2357[15:50:17] <john_s> you could even put "modprobe -r psmouse; modprobe psmouse proto=bare" there.
2358[15:50:39] <john_s> bwrosol: do you mean from the command line.
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2365[15:51:50] <john_s> anyway, I'm gone, got work to do. See ya.
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2368[15:51:59] <deemel> thanks again, john_s
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2371[15:53:03] <AlexPortable> Failed to create interface mon.wlan0: -95 (Operation not supported)
2372[15:53:03] <AlexPortable> Could not set channel for kernel driver
2373[15:53:05] <deemel> bwrosol : cp <filetocopy> <pathtocopyto>
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2375[15:53:14] <deemel> if you mean what I think you mean
2376[15:53:30] <deemel> I'll quickly relog
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2388[15:58:47] <asal> Hi
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2391[15:59:50] <teraflops> AlexPortable: set the channel before setting the mon interface up. also I don't remember if you can set a different channel for the monitor one. and use root
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2393[16:00:04] <AlexPortable> i use root
2394[16:00:07] <AlexPortable> what do you mean set the channel?
2395[16:00:16] <AlexPortable> im following this tutorial replaced-url
2396[16:00:26] <asal> I'm trying to install debian in my new laptop but the netinst not detect the wifi
2397[16:00:37] <asal> can help me please?
2398[16:00:39] <teraflops> AlexPortable: what do you mean by channel?
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2401[16:00:50] <AlexPortable> "set the channel before setting the mon interface up"
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2403[16:00:56] <AlexPortable> isnt that what i did in the config file?
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2405[16:01:30] <mtn> asal: use an iso with firmware included: replaced-url
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2407[16:01:56] <teraflops> AlexPortable: config file?
2408[16:02:04] <AlexPortable> teraflops: yes see the link
2409[16:02:11] <AlexPortable> /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf
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2411[16:02:26] <teraflops> AlexPortable: are you running debian?
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2413[16:02:30] <AlexPortable> yes
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2415[16:02:47] <teraflops> AlexPortable: also what I said still applies
2416[16:02:53] <AlexPortable> but i defined it
2417[16:02:55] <AlexPortable> and im suing root
2418[16:02:58] <AlexPortable> using*
2419[16:03:00] <AlexPortable> or well sudo
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2421[16:03:07] <teraflops> do I have to read the link?
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2426[16:03:33] <AlexPortable> my config file is there
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2428[16:03:36] <AlexPortable> the config file i used
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2431[16:03:59] <gebruiker> does debian sid have security and-or proposed updates(highly unlikely but wanna know)?
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2435[16:05:42] <jeddi> gebruiker: sid (unstable) does not have a specific security repo -- unstable is fairly dynamic ie. it gets security updates rapidly.
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2438[16:07:06] <gebruiker> jeddi, deb <insert mirror here> sid main contrib non-free is all one needs?
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2440[16:07:17] <jeddi> gebruiker: define 'needs'?
2441[16:07:30] <gebruiker> within the context of the question
2442[16:07:35] <themill> if you have to ask, please reconsider whether you know enough about debian to do this
2443[16:07:47] <gebruiker> i run in virtualbox
2444[16:08:00] <jeddi> Stability and security are kind of intertwined here. Perhaps debian stable is your preferred location.
2445[16:08:21] <gebruiker> i am not a serious user
2446[16:08:25] <gebruiker> just experimenting and learning
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2448[16:08:37] <jeddi> Debian unstable is a good place to be if you need fresh releases of candidate software and potential for breakage of packages (rather than software per se) ... but .. it's a complex question.
2449[16:08:55] <themill> s/unstable/testing/
2450[16:09:09] <jeddi> gebruiker: it's possible the testing branch is your preferred place to be then. what kinds of things are you experimenting / learning about? stable is always the *best* (general term) place to be.
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2452[16:10:09] <gebruiker> jeddi, i want to run debian sid, and my questtion is using only the vanilla repo, is what i pasted above all that is requried?
2453[16:10:57] <gebruiker> From reading the handbook i belief this is so
2454[16:11:05] <jeddi> gebruiker: in the strict context of 'if i must run debian sid, what repos can i add to ensure i have the latest secure packages' then, yes, debian sid *is* the latest security releases for debian sid.
2455[16:11:17] <jeddi> i was asking 'why do you want to run sid'
2456[16:11:18] <gebruiker> thanks for being more direct
2457[16:11:29] <teraflops> in sid bugs are fixed by installing next package version heh
2458[16:11:35] <gebruiker> i was not interested in explaning why because it makes things more of an hassle
2459[16:11:45] <gebruiker> cool!
2460[16:11:47] <jeddi> gebruiker: why is a duck.
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2462[16:13:10] <jeddi> gebruiker: themill's point is salient, and i apologise if i came across as argumentative or obstreperous - but if you're not sure about the different branches / contexts, then you are going to be questioned about your intent here, so we can better understand your needs.
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2481[16:20:29] <bibble> best solution for hosting audio/video communication, open source ? ... with android client options. XMPP conversations is only text ;_;
2482[16:21:08] <teraflops> bibble: If I get what you want try tox
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2484[16:21:25] <teraflops> or install asterisk :P
2485[16:21:56] <bibble> happy to here that teraflops :) .. currently using tox.chat
2486[16:22:17] <teraflops> tox supports video too
2487[16:22:30] <teraflops> qtox
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2489[16:23:09] <bibble> great. got the android app installed, and only does audio at the moment, but that's enough , especially as qtox does then on desktop :)
2490[16:23:17] <gebruiker> is data=writeback still acceptable in /etc/fstab ? or do i have to do it through tune2fs?
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2492[16:23:26] <eptalon> heyas
2493[16:23:58] <eptalon> Is there a tool that can find the partition type (+partitions on a harddisk?
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2495[16:24:54] <eptalon> Installed debian live, on some drive; now drive lost it pt, after a few "reading beyond end of disk" type errors
2496[16:25:22] <bibble> eptalon: easiest GUI app is gparted, eptalon
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2499[16:25:48] <teraflops> eptalon: many
2500[16:26:00] <eptalon> bibble: except that gparted does not find the partition
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2502[16:26:42] <bibble> hmm, then assume partition doesn't exist, partition table corrupted possibly
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2506[16:27:07] <eptalon> bibble: yes, thats likely; so how do I find/repair the pt?
2507[16:27:15] <teraflops> lsblk from jessie does not have +fstype :S
2508[16:27:15] <jeddi> eptalon: combination of 'cat /proc/partitions' and 'lsblk'
2509[16:27:20] <jeddi> eptalon: and 'blkid'
2510[16:27:41] <eptalon> jeddi: and a lot of spare time, in the case of a 3T disk...
2511[16:28:38] <eptalon> jeddi: can you point so some kind of howto?
2512[16:28:38] <jeddi> eptalon: so, not an ssd on sata3 then :()
2513[16:28:57] <eptalon> jeddi: no, a common hard drive, on sata-2
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2515[16:29:26] <eptalon> ssds are overrated, so is sata3... :)
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2518[16:29:54] <jeddi> eptalon: for a normal drive to look at partition layout, 'cat /proc/partition' - won't tell types, though. for that, fdisk or gparted (and then 'print' - usually 'p')
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2522[16:30:57] <jeddi> eptalon: but usually you approach it from the angle of 'i've got an internal disk that i manage, and i know the partition type' *OR* 'I have an external drive plugged in, and I'll just try mounting it and hope that it works out the partition type automagically'
2523[16:32:25] <teraflops> what's wrong with g/fdisk -l?
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2525[16:32:52] <eptalon> teraflops: partition table:unknown?
2526[16:32:58] <teraflops> areplaced-url
2527[16:33:11] <eptalon> teraflops: and then no partitions.
2528[16:33:13] <jeddi> eptalon: what's the (physical) provenance of the drive in question?
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2531[16:33:59] <eptalon> jeddi: boot (etc) drive for a home server (mine); which worked fine in that setup until about a month ago.
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2534[16:34:22] <jeddi> eptalon: okay. so something you think the partition type shoujld be X ... but it's playing silly?
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2536[16:34:49] <eptalon> jeddi: first it doesn't boot (this is a live system).
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2538[16:35:21] <jeddi> eptalon: okay - so quite a deeper and more worrying problem.
2539[16:35:38] <eptalon> jeddi: I expect some kind of "boot partition", and "all the rest" partition.
2540[16:35:41] <gebruiker> jeddi, i am interested in installing ilquoirx kernel on my virtualbox, is it possible to conifgure apt-get to only use and maintain the dependencies fomr sid and all other from jessie? (also with upgrading)
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2542[16:36:04] <jeddi> gebruiker: 'dependencies' ... ?
2543[16:36:09] <teraflops> eptalon: booting a live system? UEFI or just MRB? are the disks gpt?
2544[16:36:23] <gebruiker> jeddi, yes the deb package require packages from sid
2545[16:36:48] <eptalon> teraflops: mbr, the distks should be gpt, yes.
2546[16:37:02] <eptalon> teraflops: system is 2010-2012ish
2547[16:37:06] <teraflops> hmm
2548[16:37:26] <jeddi> gebruiker: i don't know anyting about ilquoirx unfortunately. is it a debian derivative? does it have different branches based on stability? typically in a debian instance you can pin packages to a release candidate - but you may find 'unpredictable results' if you try to mix large chunks from different branches on one machine.
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2550[16:38:13] <teraflops> eptalon: tried gdisk -l /dev/whatever?
2551[16:38:14] <gebruiker> jeddi, it is kernel made for desktop, multimedia and gaming, basedupon linuz-zen (same devs), bfq and some other stuff.
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2555[16:38:49] <gebruiker> jeddi, the packages are made for sid.
2556[16:38:51] <gebruiker> (fyi)
2557[16:38:51] <jeddi> gebruiker: okay. still , i don't know anything about it, so can't advise in good faith.
2558[16:39:11] <eptalon> teraflops: no partitions
2559[16:39:28] <jeddi> gebruiker: you could try looking on the intergoogle for 'debian package pinning' for osme hints.
2560[16:39:48] <teraflops> eptalon: does gdisk say something like converting to gpt format in memory?
2561[16:39:51] <gebruiker> cool already doing it! >)
2562[16:40:11] <eptalon> teraflops: nope
2563[16:40:20] <teraflops> weird
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2566[16:41:04] <jeddi> eptalon: usually you have issues with drives of that size not being friendly to pre-gpt partition utilities.
2567[16:41:19] <eptalon> jeddi: replaced-url
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2569[16:41:48] <teraflops> eptalon: I mean looks like the disk/s are borked, worth trying to plug them in other system or via usb converter if you can
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2571[16:42:21] <teraflops> eptalon: what jeddi says too that's why I asked about gpt
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2574[16:42:56] <gebruiker> jeddi, to bad there is no sid installer, it seems like after a dist-upgrade there are still jessie packages left swuch as linux-image . or are these eventually removed out and if so is there a more immediate approach to lose the bloat?
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2579[16:44:46] * zykotick9 thinks how busy #d would be, if there was a direct sid installer... he's glad there isn't one.
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2582[16:45:31] <gebruiker> why would you assume there would be support for it, there are testing installers too right? but no support
2583[16:45:41] <teraflops> zykotick9: can you pick testing/jessie from testing installer? I cannot recall
2584[16:46:01] <gebruiker> i thought joey hess created testing installers
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2588[16:46:20] <zykotick9> teraflops: dunno... i think i only tried the "testing" installer once.
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2590[16:46:24] <teraflops> heh
2591[16:46:43] <teraflops> the clever approach: dont use testing installer
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2595[16:47:40] <gebruiker> teraflops, yes because being adventerous is not smart :(
2596[16:47:47] <teraflops> I agree
2597[16:48:27] <gebruiker> translates into poor sex life if applied in external world
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2599[16:48:35] <gebruiker> and boring :P
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2601[16:49:03] <jim> (I'll try this one more time...) I heard that you guys scheduled a freeze of testing for sometime next year... does that indicate anything about whether testing is thought to be done?
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2603[16:49:17] <eptalon> risk-aversion: probably means ending up with the nice but ugly duckling?
2604[16:49:32] <AlexPortable> Unpacking webmin (1.820) over (1.820) ...
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2606[16:49:35] <AlexPortable> why is this taking so long
2607[16:49:40] <teraflops> oh lord
2608[16:49:45] <teraflops> !webmin
2609[16:49:45] <dpkg> Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at replaced-url
2610[16:49:58] <gebruiker> wolverine became awesome because of experimental way
2611[16:50:06] <AlexPortable> !free whcp
2612[16:50:06] <dpkg> FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. replaced-url
2613[16:50:09] <gebruiker> imagine wolverine just with the bone like claws
2614[16:50:21] <AlexPortable> teraflops: well they are for webhosting
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2617[16:50:35] <AlexPortable> !DTC
2618[16:50:36] <dpkg> Domain Technologie Control (DTC) is a GPL-licensed web hosting control panel. Currently only in <experimental> because of a poor security track record. replaced-url
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2620[16:51:09] <gebruiker> guess there would be a way to do a sid installation, with the live installer
2621[16:51:15] <teraflops> AlexPortable: they exists does not mean you *have* to use that crap, anyway it's my opinion (and dondelelcaro) :P
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2624[16:52:29] <jeddi> gebruiker: there aren't really 'jessie' packages or 'unstable' packages ... package versions are fairly fluid, and will trickle down, as it were, over time. if you want to run sid / unstable you need to install an earlier version and do a dist-upgrade (or two) to get you there.
2625[16:52:30] <AlexPortable> I like it for web based iptables
2626[16:52:38] <AlexPortable> how is that unsafe?
2627[16:52:48] <jeddi> gebruiker: and some packages will have the same version if they've not been upgraded since whenever. this isn't a problem. (generally)
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2629[16:53:00] <gebruiker> jeddi, i just found out there are sid installers replaced-url
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2633[16:53:38] <jeddi> gebruiker: i usually jump tfrom latest stable via a /etc/apt/souces.list (manual) change, then dist-upgrade ... but !!! most of my systems are now on stable (as i get older :) ... with only my desktop on sid.
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2636[16:53:56] <jeddi> gebruiker: as before, context is king :)
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2638[16:54:14] <jeddi> eptalon: yup - you've got a whacky disk there.
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2642[16:55:40] <jeddi> eptalon: any smart stuff available from that drive? hopefully you've got decent backups / archives from it, by the initial looks of it. do you have another machine you can attach it to to confirm it's not a cable / local host issue?
2643[16:56:20] <eptalon> jeddi: so take another disk, reinstall, and salvage that disk? - working with a live system is kinda awkward
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2645[16:56:41] <AlexPortable> teraflops: any suggestions for web based iptables management?
2646[16:56:58] <teraflops> AlexPortable: learn iptables is not that hard
2647[16:57:06] <teraflops> AlexPortable: that's *my* suggestion
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2649[16:57:13] <AlexPortable> well a gui is better to see than a file
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2652[16:59:03] <gebruiker> jeddi, cool. I have been running and playing with various distrobutions and bsds in virtualbox and i am pretty sure I am able to jump to complete debian sid install soon. The only things that i have some issues with might be the video driver ( ATI ) but that will be an experiment in tiself - that is to see which will run better, the open source driver or fglrx one :)
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2662[17:05:44] <bibble> self host mail is great, but still need alternative. Protonmail OK ?
2663[17:06:32] <bibble> ..or should just use larger host like google ?
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2666[17:07:42] <bibble> replaced-url
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2707[17:22:02] <doflamingo> help. why numlock always on after boot
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2723[17:26:26] <mo1991reg> Need to recreate /boot on usb drive - my usb drive had issues and needed to be formatted. My system is up so I need to fix before I reboot and have no grub or kernel. ANy help
2724[17:26:29] <mo1991reg> ?
2725[17:27:05] <sn0wmonster> doflamingo: should be in your BIOS settings
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2728[17:27:25] <Anselmo> mo1991reg: so. . . you're using the usb as /boot?
2729[17:27:47] <mo1991reg> yes, I was - usb got corrupted and had to format
2730[17:27:57] <OS-25060> /msg NickServ REGISTER oscpirc msdn62@outlook.com
2731[17:28:00] <mo1991reg> so now my os is up, but I have no usb device to boot from if I reboot
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2733[17:28:14] <Anselmo> you'll probably just want to mount it to /boot and reistall the kernel and such I think, as well as grub,
2734[17:28:18] <OS-25060> /msg NickServ SET HIDEMAIL ON
2735[17:28:18] <Anselmo> or whetever bootloader
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2737[17:28:39] <AlexPortable> OS-25060: uhm
2738[17:28:41] <Anselmo> I would imagine. . .
2739[17:28:42] <Akuli> hmm what should we say to him
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2746[17:30:58] <gebruiker> you know guys one thing that i do think is missing is a good removal of a package including the dependencies it installs with during the apt-get install
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2748[17:31:36] <WangDang_> OS-25060: did you put a space before typing "/msg..."?
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2751[17:33:04] <OS-25060> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY oscpirc
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2754[17:33:19] <OS-25060> /join #offsec
2755[17:33:46] <TomTomTosch> you are broadcasting that. don't put spaces in front.
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2757[17:34:15] <Anselmo> ?
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2764[17:35:44] <OS-25060> hi - think i've messed up here - what should I do
2765[17:35:48] <teraflops> OS-25060: youre doing that thing for 2 days
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2767[17:36:33] <teraflops> go use the server buffer and ask in #freenode
2768[17:36:35] <OS-25060> first time Ive logged on 10 mins ago
2769[17:36:35] <gebruiker> guys what ubuntu version matches debian sid most?
2770[17:37:42] <WangDang_> OS-25060: don't put spaces before the "/msg..."
2771[17:38:08] <teraflops> OS-25060: 2016-10-02 14:00:31OS-22437 /msg NickServ SET HIDEMAIL ON
2772[17:38:16] <teraflops> 2016-10-02
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2774[17:38:29] <teraflops> use the server buffer ^
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2783[17:42:06] <beowulf_> is true that Debian 8.6 cannot do UEFI install on an nvme device without internet connection (cannot write bootloader)?
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2805[17:48:53] <jmcnaught> beowulf_: you might need to install a kernel from jessie-backports while still in the installer (which is a lot easier with an internet connection)
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2810[17:50:30] <beowulf_> jmcnaught, rgr. need non-free sid to get online though. What i wouldn't give for sid installers ^^
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2812[17:51:20] <jmcnaught> beowulf_: why do you need sid to get online?
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2814[17:51:55] <beowulf_> jmcnaught, obscure driver. Guess i could mess with the bootdrive instead.
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2816[17:52:30] <jmcnaught> beowulf_: replaced-url
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2819[17:53:13] <jmcnaught> alternatively, you could put the .debs that you would need on a USB stick and install them using dpkg -i while still booted into the installer
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2821[17:54:10] <teraflops> you can also install the bootloader later
2822[17:54:45] <beowulf_> jmcnaught, best idear yet. apt-get update was holding me back from that solution.
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2825[17:55:08] <tremon> hi all, hopefully simple gnome question: in gnome's graphical sudo prompt (e.g. when opening a settings panel and clicking "unlock"), is there any way to choose which user to authenticate as?
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2828[17:55:49] <teraflops> it uses polkit iirc, what are you trying to launch specifically?
2829[17:56:12] <stoilkov> HexChat: 2.10.1 ** OS: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64 ** Distro: Debian 8.6 ** CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4500U CPU @ 1.80GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 2,70GHz ** RAM: Physical: 7,3GiB, 75,4% free ** Disk: Total: 1,1TiB, 60,5% free ** VGA: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel HDMI1: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH ** Ethernet: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. CIe Gigabit Ethernet **
2830[17:56:12] <stoilkov> Uptime: 6h 13m 28s **
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2833[17:56:30] <teraflops> stoilkov: thanks for the fucking useless info
2834[17:56:32] <tremon> my specific issue is with the gnome printer dialog
2835[17:56:45] <eszett2> hi! I have a question. How can I turn the login screen off, that occurse after awhile of idling on my debian (Jessie)?
2836[17:56:57] <beowulf_> teraflops, yeah but then i would have to mess with the partitions
2837[17:57:02] <tremon> this is a multi-user pc, with my own account and my brother's having admin privileges and my parents not
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2839[17:57:10] <teraflops> beowulf_: right
2840[17:57:32] <teraflops> tremon: oh I just use cups web interface never tried that thing
2841[17:57:41] <jmcnaught> tremon: authenticating as a different uses in gnome-settings would require messing with policykit. Instead use the CUPS web interface, replaced-url
2842[17:57:43] <beowulf_> teraflops, not a problem. But doesn't sit right with my ocd. ^^
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2844[17:57:59] <tremon> when one of my parents opens any settings dialog and presses unlock, gnome always asks for my password
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2847[17:58:10] <teraflops> tremon: right
2848[17:58:25] <tremon> but I'm at home only once every few weeks, and my brother much more often
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2850[17:58:29] <jmcnaught> tremon: you mean, the password of the user currently logged in?
2851[17:58:45] <tremon> no, when my brother is logged in, it asks for his own password
2852[17:59:04] <AlexPortable> jmcnaught: no, it will ask for the password of an account with sudo / admin permissions
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2854[17:59:09] <teraflops> tremon: if you set options from the app that is trying to print you won't need to deal with cups though
2855[17:59:21] <beowulf_> jmcnaught, thanks btw. guess my brainfart was that assuming .deb installs at boot was a problem (doesnt matter with kernel modules itc.).
2856[17:59:23] <tremon> when my parents are logged in (no admin privileges), it always asks for my password, and we can't get figure out how to get it to accept my brother's account too
2857[17:59:45] <Elronnd> for some reason, the mouse button on my laptop is getting interpreted as a middle click
2858[17:59:49] <Elronnd> any way to fix that?
2859[17:59:54] <teraflops> tremon: but why? I mean all users are non root users
2860[18:00:48] <teraflops> tremon: what are they trying to change that needs to be *you* ?
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2862[18:01:01] <tremon> I don't really know how gnome does authentication tbh
2863[18:01:05] <teraflops> polkit
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2866[18:01:31] <xpkill23> hi all serach debain german help thank you very muc
2867[18:01:37] <teraflops> tremon: are you talking about gnome-keyring thingy?
2868[18:01:48] <teraflops> tremon: that's a different thing
2869[18:02:07] <TomTomTosch> !de
2870[18:02:07] <dpkg> Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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2872[18:02:10] <tremon> I'm talking about the dialog that pops up when you press "unlock" on any of gnome's settings panels
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2876[18:02:30] <tremon> I'm sorry for not being more specific, I normally try to avoid gnome like the plague
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2878[18:02:41] <teraflops> hmm I never notices that unlock option
2879[18:02:47] <teraflops> noticed*
2880[18:03:32] <jmcnaught> tremon: are your parents in the lpadmin group?
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2882[18:03:59] <jmcnaught> jak2000: please don't /msg people or hilight them randomly.
2883[18:04:30] <tremon> jmcnaught: they are (although I thought they were not)
2884[18:05:02] <tremon> I'll look into polkit, it just feels weird that gnome somehow has decided to always ask for my password instead of any of the users marked as "admin" in gnome's own users&groups panel
2885[18:05:30] <teraflops> tremon: yeah that's weird
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2890[18:07:49] <jmcnaught> tremon: it's the file /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.opensuse.cupspkhelper.mechanism.policy that seems to be controlling this. Don't edit this file. You can make a 'policy kit local authority' (PKLA) that overrides it in /etc/polkit
2891[18:08:18] <tremon> thanks! I'll look into it
2892[18:09:12] <jmcnaught> tremon: pklocalauthority(8)
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2898[18:12:02] <Elronnd> is there any way to install sdl-ttf for sdl2?
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2907[18:14:52] <beowulf_> jmcnaught, dpkg doesnt seem to be available in the installer shell?
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2909[18:15:24] <tremon> beowulf_: it's udpkg iirc (micro-dpkg)
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2912[18:16:35] <jmcnaught> tremon: i've never had to deal with "auth_admin" before i guess. the policykit documentation isn't very clear on how the admin user it asks to authenticate is selected unless i'm missing something. My suggestion would be to figure out which action(s) your parents need, and make PKLA files that lets that user do those actions in an active session (ResultActive=yes). You can list actions with pkaction
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2916[18:17:26] <captain0> script load adv_windowlist.pl
2917[18:17:38] <tremon> yes, that's probably easier. Reading that man page, it says explicitly: "AdminIdentities=unix-group:staff specifies that any user in the staff UNIX group can be used for authentication when administrator authentication is needed"
2918[18:17:40] <jmcnaught> beowulf_: you want to be using dpkg inside a chroot
2919[18:17:56] <beowulf_> jmcnaught, thx!
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2921[18:18:13] <tremon> but there is a /etc/polkit-1/localauthority.conf.d/51-debian-sudo.conf that already allows all members of the sudo group
2922[18:18:20] <captain0> script load adv_windowlist.pl
2923[18:18:27] <tremon> and that groups has three members on this machine :(
2924[18:18:30] <thunderblack> We have gotten all the nice and several data of a girl with her photos in Mega. The access link is just on the Onion Network and will be available for 1 hour only, then it will be destroyed automatically and we will post it with a new link again here or in any other place: replaced-url
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2929[18:19:33] <tremon> I'll look into ResultActive, thanks. It's mostly about canceling stuck print jobs so it should be manageable
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2931[18:20:01] <thunderblack> We have gotten all the nice and several data of a girl with her photos in Mega. The access link is just on the Onion Network and will be available for 1 hour only, then it will be destroyed automatically and we will post it with a new link again here or in any other place: replaced-url
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2933[18:20:19] <jmcnaught> tremon: oh yeah, you could do that but instead of 'unix-group:staff' use 'unix-user:mybrother'
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2935[18:20:52] <jmcnaught> !ops thunderblack porn spam
2936[18:20:52] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: thunderblack porn spam
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2939[18:21:29] <jmcnaught> oh... they were gone already sorry
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2941[18:22:00] <beowulf_> jmcnaught, its complaining about incompatible dkms. But i checked and the driver req. >2.1 and jessie running 2.2.
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2946[18:23:41] <jmcnaught> beowulf_: what exact steps are you doing? i don't know what 'it' is
2947[18:25:02] <beowulf_> jmcnaught, sorry. I placed the deb (r8168-dkms_8.042.00-2_all.deb) on the install usb. Opened a shell and ran udpkg -i . ERROR: DKMS version is too old and x was not build with legacy support.
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2949[18:26:04] <jmcnaught> beowulf_: that's a package from sid, i was recommending you install a kernel from backports
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2954[18:28:05] <beowulf_> jmcnaught, sry. missed that. No can do - r8168 is sid only.
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2959[18:29:12] <jmcnaught> beowulf_: what is the output of "lspci -nn | grep -i net" for that card.. just the pci-id part is needed
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2969[18:33:03] <beowulf_> jmcnaught, 1969:e0al
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2977[18:35:49] <beowulf_> wait - thats no the one on my MOBO specs
2978[18:35:55] <Bonn333> Hi ;)
2979[18:36:09] <Kobaz> what's the thing for getting the ./configure options for the standard binary packages
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2987[18:38:40] <tremon> jmcnaught: thanks for the help, I've now created a file /etc/polkit-1/localauthority.conf.d/99-local.conf containing the line "AdminIdentities=unix-user:$brother;unix-group:sudo" and indeed, the gnome panel now consistently asks for his password instead of mine
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2989[18:39:46] <jmcnaught> ,pciid 1969:e0al
2990[18:39:47] <tremon> I've also created a file that whitelists the org.opensuse.cupspkhelper.mechanism.job-edit action for all users, but I haven't found a way to verify that it works
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2992[18:40:15] <beowulf_> jmcnaught, i did try booting with the unofficial non-free netinst. Didn
2993[18:40:23] <beowulf_> t detect the card either.
2994[18:41:24] <jmcnaught> beowulf_: that's not a valid pciid, the letter 'l' doesn't exist in hex
2995[18:41:54] <eszett> I have a question, my terminal doesnt start up anymore, the "hour glass" is just turning awhile, and then nothing happens
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2997[18:42:19] <beowulf_> jmcnaught, its a 1 sry
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2999[18:42:34] <tremon> eszett: that's not a question (yet)
3000[18:42:49] <jmcnaught> ,pciid 1969:e0a1
3001[18:42:50] <judd> [1969:e0a1] is 'Killer E2400 Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also replaced-url
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3003[18:43:32] <tremon> eszett: but try logging into a virtual console (e.g. ctrl-alt-f1) and verify that you can login normally there. Then try (installing or running) a different terminal
3004[18:43:35] <jmcnaught> beowulf_: tricky. you don't have another network interface you could use termporarily?
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3007[18:44:04] <jmcnaught> ,checkbackport r8168-dkms
3008[18:44:05] <judd> Backporting package r8168-dkms in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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3011[18:45:14] <jmcnaught> beowulf_: you could try to backport r8168-dkms package from sid to jessie ('/msg dpkg ssb' for some instructions) but you'll need to install with a different network adapter first
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3014[18:47:16] <eszett> tremon: thanks, im logged into this "emergency console" now
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3016[18:48:00] <beowulf_> jmcnaught, holy mother. Alright - i was planning to buy a new ethernet port for the box anyways (bc. og the whole MSI-always-alive thing). Thanks for the help!
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3019[18:48:58] <jmcnaught> beowulf_: if you have a wifi usb adapter that works in Debian that would do it
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3021[18:50:06] <beowulf_> jmcnaught, good point. I think i have a crappy old usb-adapter somewhere. Will give it a try.
3022[18:50:15] <beowulf_> jmcnaught, u read my mind.
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3031[18:52:56] <beowulf_> jmcnaught, some other days. Thx again. C u around.
3032[18:53:00] <beowulf_> *day
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3076[19:16:09] <jewsdid911> hi all
3077[19:16:18] <kill9> apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree does not work
3078[19:16:19] <Richard_Cavell> Hi
3079[19:16:23] <kill9> says its obsolete? :/
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3082[19:16:51] <kill9> replaced-url
3083[19:16:59] <kill9> Trying to follow this guide but.... doesnt work.
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3087[19:17:18] <jmcnaught> kill9: what says obsolete?
3088[19:17:49] <kill9> apt-get says its obsolete to install flashplugin-nonfree in apt-get
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3090[19:18:19] <missmbob> kill9: anyway you probably want browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash (it's in jessie-backports contrib)
3091[19:18:22] <jmcnaught> kill9: please show the command and complete output on replaced-url
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3095[19:20:08] <kill9> replaced-url
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3098[19:20:49] <missmbob> kill9: probably just means you dont have contrib in your sources.list
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3100[19:20:57] <jmcnaught> yeah
3101[19:21:03] <kill9> *face desks*
3102[19:21:15] <kill9> why cant debian just include it?
3103[19:21:19] <jmcnaught> kill9: make yours look like the example on the page: replaced-url
3104[19:21:23] <kill9> join us in the 21st century pls..
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3106[19:21:35] <missmbob> kill9: what does have to do with licenses?
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3109[19:22:30] <kill9> Its 2016 and flash still needs extensive configuring
3110[19:22:40] <teraflops> kill9: I'd blame the debian mantainer/packager I guess
3111[19:22:43] <kill9> for a source list thats already available anyway
3112[19:22:47] <x10> it's 2016 and people still use flash?
3113[19:22:48] <missmbob> flash is almost dead anyway. not many need it
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3115[19:23:01] <teraflops> x10: sadly it seems so
3116[19:23:05] <jmcnaught> kill9: replaced-url
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3118[19:24:10] <kill9> Right but media simply needs to work im looking at the sources list wiki
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3125[19:25:38] <jmcnaught> kill9: if you want flash installed by default then Debian might not be the right distro for you
3126[19:26:20] <kill9> I mean its hosted on the debian website, so whats the difference? lol
3127[19:26:30] <kill9> just a pain in the ass.
3128[19:26:45] <jmcnaught> kill9: that social contract explains the difference
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3130[19:27:44] <teraflops> oh wait we was complaining for the opposite, meh
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3135[19:31:49] <kill9> Im just involved on alot of financial websites and they use it so im kinda forced to and debian has a huge program database so its good for me.
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3140[19:33:52] <miomio9090> hi
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3142[19:33:56] <teraflops> flash is good for shitty ads and intrusive ransomware advertising
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3145[19:34:16] <unborn> flash is not good at all
3146[19:34:36] <kill9> I agree but unfortunately if I dont have it I wont be able to view it
3147[19:34:42] <teraflops> unborn: I was being sarcastic I forgot the :P
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3149[19:34:44] <miomio9090> hi as I do to speak to an operator
3150[19:35:04] <miomio9090> +CLPcntlf 1625 #debian-overflow
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3152[19:35:42] <unborn> kill9: well, install google chrome - there you have flash build in.. no issues
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3158[19:36:30] <unborn> or install it via ways some other guys here describe it.. I do not use flash personally, sorry
3159[19:37:49] <teraflops> those are flags what's wrong with them?
3160[19:37:56] <jmcnaught> miomio9090: you're in #debian not #debian-overflow. Do you need Debian support? If you need to talk to an operator they are in #debian-ops (don't hang out there though)
3161[19:37:57] <teraflops> miomio9090 ^
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3167[19:39:43] <miomio9090> come
3168[19:39:47] <miomio9090> hello
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3172[19:41:50] <jmcnaught> miomio9090: please don't /msg people. Do you need help with Debian?
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3176[19:42:43] <miomio9090> yes
3177[19:43:10] <teraflops> miomio9090: read the topic "/msg bots not people"
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3180[19:45:01] <mcgreg> hi
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3182[19:45:49] <Kobaz> what's the thing for getting the ./configure options for the standard binary packages
3183[19:46:01] <mcgreg> anybody here who uses "playonlinux" ? the software doesnt start and I am getting an error - which might by python related? replaced-url
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3185[19:46:03] <Kobaz> with a source package...
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3193[19:48:29] <jmcnaught> Kobaz: do you mean the debian/rules file in the source package?
3194[19:48:50] <Kobaz> that could be
3195[19:48:51] <Kobaz> lemme see
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3209[19:52:14] <JamesLinus> hello
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3211[19:52:51] <troffasky> hi
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3220[19:57:46] <eszett> I have a question, under settings > language, I can't chose any other lang than english. How can I download additionaly langs?
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3223[19:58:48] <teraflops> where?
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3225[19:58:55] <eszett> In Gnome
3226[19:59:14] <eszett> Settings > Region & language
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3237[20:06:29] <gebruiker> how long does a release cycle take with debian?
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3242[20:07:41] <SwedeMike> gebruiker: replaced-url
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3247[20:09:02] <Kobaz> jmcnaught: so, yeah that's some good info, but what's a good way to get the actual generated ./configure line ?
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3249[20:09:44] <gebruiker> sweatsuit, thanks, i am planning to switch but I want to have something stable for a long time
3250[20:09:55] <gebruiker> i mean SwedeMike
3251[20:10:14] <teraflops> eszett: generate more locales
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3253[20:10:40] <SwedeMike> gebruiker: both ubuntu LTS and debian are long term stable.
3254[20:10:53] <somiaj> with the lts support, you can get about 5-7 years out of a debian release on a server before security support stops.
3255[20:11:07] <gebruiker> I am planning to run desktop somiaj
3256[20:11:36] <somiaj> gebruiker: desktop you should upgrade every 3 years or so the newer stable. Desktop support stops about 1 year after the release of the new stable.
3257[20:11:49] <somiaj> but debian provides an upgrade path so you won't have to reinstall
3258[20:11:49] <gebruiker> SwedeMike, hmm, both distros seem quite similar makes it a bit difficult to decide. Even though I have been trying out both extensively.
3259[20:12:09] <gebruiker> aah
3260[20:12:42] <gebruiker> somiaj, i have noticed that when upgrading from jessie to sid there are a lot of packages left, which I would redeem unnessesary
3261[20:13:05] <gebruiker> i guess this would eventually also be the case with ubuntu - Another words for it might be bloat
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3263[20:13:23] <somiaj> gebruiker: upgrading to unstable is only testing the upgrade path but it gets all the bugs worked out during the freeze. Also the release notes explain how to remove any obslete packages that you have left over after the upgrade.
3264[20:13:41] <teraflops> bloat is getting more and more meaningless…
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3266[20:13:53] <somiaj> so upgrading to sid shows upgrades can be done, but doesn't always give the polished experience that a release will have.
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3269[20:14:36] <eszett> How can I add a language to Jessie? I tried with terminal to install language packs, but im still stuck..
3270[20:14:53] <teraflops> 20:10:14 teraflops ⎸ eszett: generate more locales
3271[20:15:01] <gebruiker> somaj i see. thanks for that. I guess that makes debian my preference - because of the stability
3272[20:15:08] <eszett> hmm yes
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3274[20:15:25] <gebruiker> somiaj, had a bit of a hard time deciding between xubuntu and debian
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3276[20:16:08] <teraflops> eszett: dpkg-reconfigure locales generate the ones you want, restart gnome
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3278[20:16:26] <somiaj> gebruiker: its a personal choice, but most here will say debian because of the social contract and wider range of packages.
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3280[20:16:53] * teraflops prefers goat > bloat
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3282[20:17:15] <gebruiker> What are your ( any of you ) thoughts on turning ext4 for desktop through /etc/fstab. adding things such as data=writeback,noatime,nohbl?
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3284[20:17:26] <_abc_> meep. Just saw this, new release, debian based, offline centric os replaced-url
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3286[20:18:36] <somiaj> _abc_: debian based distros are most off topic here.
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3288[20:19:23] <gebruiker> Guys, the ATI Radeon HD 5450 will it run fine with the open source driver or do I need the proprietary fglrx driver?
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3291[20:20:07] <somiaj> gebruiker: depends on your needs. With the additional non-free firmware it will have preformance similar to the fglrx driver for most things (some thigns the fglrx driver will have slightly better preformance)
3292[20:20:37] <somiaj> gebruiker: but for most needs the open driver (randeon + non-free firmware) works well on ati cards
3293[20:21:12] <_abc_> somiaj: is there some ##debian-derivative general purpose channel?
3294[20:21:12] <gebruiker> that is reassuring to know somiaj, i was a bit concerned about my browsing experience with youtube and facebook videos etc..
3295[20:21:39] <somiaj> _abc_: not really, there is ##linux as a general linux channel, otehr wise you'll have to find the channel/support for your distro of choice.
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3309[20:27:46] <blawiz> if an application sees a symbol as a code like \302\267 what could be happening?
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3322[20:31:11] <_abc_> blawiz: it could be using unicode.
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3336[20:32:46] <eszett> teraflops: ok i finally got the language locale installed and working
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3340[20:33:17] <eszett> teraflops: do you know how I can turn off the idle screen, which recurrently pops up
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3347[20:35:37] <eszett> where do i find the setting in Jessie to turn off that lock screen?
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3352[20:37:39] <somiaj> eszett: probabaly depends on your desktop, go check through the settings on your desktop.
3353[20:37:57] <somiaj> i.e. gnome should have a power saving/screen saver setting somewhere, which is what controls the lock screen
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3358[20:40:05] <teraflops> eszett: no idea sorry
3359[20:42:33] <teraflops> likely there's an obscure command line order for that. maybe gnome tweak tool has it too. but I'm just guessing
3360[20:43:09] <jmcnaught> eszett: it's the blank screen setting 'power' in gnome settings, set it to never
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3362[20:44:26] <eszett> I just ran the gnome tweak tool, and there is no "screensaver" or "lock screen" setting in it that can turn it off
3363[20:44:45] <eszett> oh, just read jmcnaught's comment
3364[20:44:46] <eszett> wait..
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3366[20:45:36] <eszett> omg, i searched everywhere just not under "power"
3367[20:45:37] <somiaj> yea they usually put it under power savings
3368[20:45:40] <eszett> thanks jmcnaught!
3369[20:45:50] <eszett> It is under "power" as he said
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3448[21:20:59] <masters> hello, how to turn off automatic mount usb flash?
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3455[21:23:14] <teraflops> it depends on your DE I guess
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3457[21:24:12] <masters> XFCE
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3461[21:25:50] <missmbob> masters: settings->removed drives and media
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3478[21:29:39] <masters> this option it switched off, but usb flash mounting automatically
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3486[21:39:59] <dfgas> ok when running samba ad dc we need to have smbd and nmbd loaded right?
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3491[21:43:15] <Logg> why does aptitude suggest lame or dangerous solutions? For example, I'd currently like to get a version of Kaffeine newer than 2010, so I tried to install from testing. First Aptitude suggests that I simply don't do anything. Next it wants to uninstall lots of packages I consider "mission critical" and still not install Kaffeine. This is not the first time aptitude has been so stupid. Am I doing something wrong?
3492[21:43:16] <Logg> replaced-url
3493[21:43:42] <missmbob> Logg: because you can't mix releases like you did
3494[21:43:44] <jmcnaught> Logg: you can't mix testing and stable
3495[21:43:47] <missmbob> !tell Logg about dont break debian
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3499[21:45:19] <jmcnaught> ,checkbackport kaffeine
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3501[21:45:20] <judd> Backporting package kaffeine in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: extra-cmake-modules (>= 1.0.0), qtbase5-dev (>= 5.4.0), libqt5x11extras5-dev (>= 5.4.0), libkf5coreaddons-dev (>= 5.11.0), kdoctools-dev (>= 5.11.0), libkf5dbusaddons-dev (>= 5.11.0), libkf5i18n-dev (>= 5.11.0), kio-dev (>= 5.11.0), libkf5solid-dev (>= 5.11.0), libkf5widgetsaddons-dev (>= 5.11.0),
3502[21:45:21] <judd> libkf5xmlgui-dev (>= 5.11.0).
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3504[21:45:59] <jmcnaught> heh.. Logg if you want to stick with Debian Stable you'll need to wait for Stretch to be released for Kaffeine, or use something else like VLC
3505[21:46:19] <Logg> <_>
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3508[21:46:56] <missmbob> or use caffeine.
3509[21:47:02] <missmbob> ,checkbackport caffeine
3510[21:47:03] <judd> Backporting package caffeine in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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3512[21:47:18] <jmcnaught> Logg: looking at the tags at replaced-url
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3515[21:48:59] <Logg> I'll try Caffeine, and I guess keep in mind that I "shouldn't" install packages from testing. Thanks for the "don't break debian" page and other advice.
3516[21:49:06] <jmcnaught> missmbob: that's different. kaffeine is a media player, caffeine prevents desktop going idle
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3519[21:49:28] <jmcnaught> Logg: it's not "shouldn't" it's "YOU CANNOT!"
3520[21:49:33] <missmbob> oh. shows how much i know about kde
3521[21:49:36] <Logg> well, I have.
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3526[21:49:58] <stealth_> added a new drive how do i scan for it? doesn't list under fdisk -l
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3528[21:50:39] <jmcnaught> Logg: it's a really great way to break your system. You can use jessie-backports, or try backporting packages. Debian releases aren't designed to be mixed, so if you add testing to your sources, you either have a testing system now, or a frankendebian hybrid monster
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3531[21:50:53] <cast> stealth_: lsblk is a bit easier to read :)
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3533[21:52:19] <stealth_> cast, ok, but it doesn't show under that as well, only sda and its partitions. I haven't restarted the system
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3536[21:53:11] <cast> stealth_: what kind of drive is this?
3537[21:53:16] <jmcnaught> stealth_: does dmesg show anything after you plug it in?
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3540[21:54:30] <stealth_> cast its a brand new drive, not formated yet. trying to do that.
3541[21:55:18] <stealth_> jmcnaught, there is too many output for dmesg
3542[21:55:20] <cast> ...i mean, is it a sata drive, a usb drive, a sas drive, a lun presented over fc?
3543[21:55:35] <stealth_> sata
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3545[21:55:50] <OerHeks> stealth_, did you went into your bios, save, and exit? my mobo didn't recognise it untill i did.
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3547[21:55:54] <cast> you probably just have to scan for it, something like echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/scan
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3549[21:56:35] <stealth_> OerHeks, trying to get it live without restarting the server if i can avoid it :)
3550[21:56:37] <cast> though it may not be host0, could be 2,3,4...Depends on your setup. AFAIK there's not too much to fear from scanning the wrong thing
3551[21:56:44] <stealth_> cast, i tired that not luck.
3552[21:57:02] <OerHeks> wow, you added a hdd in a running server?
3553[21:57:33] <jmcnaught> stealth_: so what is in dmesg right after plugging it in?
3554[21:57:40] <cast> OerHeks: it's probably more common than turning it off :)
3555[21:58:02] <stealth_> OerHeks, ya it should be fine, drive's are plug and play if you rescan, its a hotswap drive
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3559[21:58:34] <vlt> stealth_: dmesg -H
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3561[21:59:40] <stealth_> jmcnaught, vlt, it shows my firewall output on dmesg.., sorry.
3562[21:59:59] <vlt> OerHeks: I do this all the time. Works fine if you don’t accidentally pull the wrong sata cable ;-)
3563[22:00:40] <vlt> stealth_: You can search and grep in "-H" mode like in less.
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3565[22:02:17] <vlt> stealth_: Searching for " sd " could help.
3566[22:02:26] <stealth_> when i do: "ls -l /sys/class/scsi_host/" i get 2 outputs: "host0" and "host1" not sure what that mean.
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3569[22:03:11] <vlt> stealth_: No luck in dmesg?
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3571[22:04:01] <stealth_> vlt, i am not sure what i am looking for, i have stuff like: ata1:.. ata2 .. is that it?
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3575[22:05:36] <jmcnaught> 'dmesg | grep -A20 scsi'
3576[22:06:02] <stealth_> jmcnaught, i tried that, nothing
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3580[22:06:24] <jmcnaught> stealth_: as in, the word scsi is not in your dmesg output?
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3582[22:06:49] <jmcnaught> stealth_: is the drive plugged in?
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3584[22:07:11] <stealth_> jmcnaught, suppose so, its in, lights on and all.
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3586[22:07:56] <jmcnaught> stealth_: try a different disk, or same disk in a different slot?
3587[22:08:18] <vlt> stealth_: Can you paste the output of `dmesg | grep " sd " | nc termbin.com 9999` somewhere?
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3589[22:08:32] <vlt> stealth_: I mean here.
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3591[22:09:16] <stealth_> vlt there is 0 output for those!
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3593[22:09:30] <stealth_> jmcnaught, i will try different slot, brb.
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3602[22:12:05] <Logg> Regarding Don'tBreakDebian: I guess it makes my life harder, but I still like the "overall stability" Debian Stable brings paired with "some new packages". "Don't break Debian" also suggests that I don't use Ubuntu PPAs (I do for Iridium-browser) or installing software outside repositories (I do for Pale Moon). This guideline is great for avoiding a broken system, but following all these suggestions would disqualify Debian as a distro I can use in the real
3603[22:12:05] <Logg> world. I'd have to become a package maintainer, and I'm not sure some projects would even want one even if I was willing to.
3604[22:12:13] <stealth_> o here we go, got and output for dmesg..
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3606[22:13:19] <jmcnaught> Logg: third party repos can cause problems during upgrades especially. Also Ubuntu PPAs are generally software compiled for Ubuntu, and Ubuntu and Debian are not binary compatible (even if it works some times)
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3610[22:14:32] <jmcnaught> Logg: for palemoon and other smaller browser projects, i'm extremely skeptical that they are capable of dealing with security problems as effectively as Mozilla and Debian security teams are
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3613[22:15:52] <stealth_> all right guys thank you very much :)
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3615[22:16:33] <jmcnaught> stealth_: was it the slot, or just dmesg getting spammed to much and the messages were already gone?
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3619[22:18:35] <stealth_> jmcnaught, think it might have been the slot, as soon i tried next empty slot it got detected. Maybe the drive wasn't fully in! who knows... those drive bays can be bit weird at times!
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3623[22:20:12] <Logg> I don't understand the philosophy of just "not running" programs if there's no other way to get them. The worst that can happen is that they crash... versus them being in a permanent state of "crashed" when you don't install them. Everything works fine on my "frankendebian" except for when Aptitude suggests that I kill my system. Pale Moon is fine btw; iridium-browser is just chromium - google.
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3630[22:21:24] <danielmx> hi anyone know how to uninstall compiled version of conky
3631[22:21:48] <somiaj> danielmx: did you install it with 'make install'?
3632[22:22:15] <jmcnaught> Logg: the worst is that you try to do an upgrade and it fails because of wrong dependency information introduced by the non-Debian packages. If you really need to use a browser not in Debian, you could install the tarball in /opt or /usr/local for example.
3633[22:22:36] <danielmx> yes somiaj
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3635[22:22:54] <danielmx> tried sudo cmake uninstall
3636[22:23:10] <danielmx> somiaj, i used cmake sorry
3637[22:23:31] <somiaj> danielmx: if conky dosen't contain an uninstall target, you'll have to manually delete the stuff it installed. Most likey it is in /usr/local
3638[22:23:47] <somiaj> danielmx: in the future you can use software like gnu stow and check-install to help manage locally installed stuff from source.
3639[22:24:17] <somiaj> there may be a log of what files it actually copied over and you can just delete them all.
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3644[22:26:30] <kiril> hello
3645[22:26:46] <kiril> who's responsible for the update of weechat package?
3646[22:26:55] <danielmx> somiaj, thanks just looking for a log file
3647[22:27:13] <somiaj> kiril: the matainer. What is it you are wanting?
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3651[22:28:29] <bleb> How can I determine which font packages are in active use on my system currently?
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3653[22:28:54] <kiril> somiaj: the current version is too out of date
3654[22:28:58] <somiaj> bleb: not entirelly sure on that. But there is deborphan wich is useful in tracking down libaries that are not needed any more
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3656[22:29:05] <somiaj> ,v weechat
3657[22:29:06] <judd> Package: weechat on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.3.8-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 0.4.3-2~bpo70+1; wheezy-backports: 1.0.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.0.1-1; jessie-backports: 1.5-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.5-1; sid: 1.6-1
3658[22:29:06] <kiril> can be updated with latest satble?
3659[22:29:18] <kiril> stable *
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3662[22:29:41] <kiril> kiril@Zeus(~/.weechat)$ weechat -v
3663[22:29:41] <kiril> 1.0.1
3664[22:29:44] <kiril> ...
3665[22:29:53] <somiaj> kiril: debian stable is a frozen system and the packages that freeze with it don't get upgraded to newer versions. So in jessie the version of weechat is 1.0.1. But in this case the matainer has provided the version 1.5 in jessie backports. So you can install it from jessie backports if you want.
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3667[22:30:02] <somiaj> note jessie-backport packages don't get the same security support as jessie packages.
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3678[22:36:21] <Khudher> Hello, I run debian 9 `stretch` on my laptop, sometimes my laptop hangs on shutdown (happened in jessie as well), i looked in syslog for more info here is the output :
3679[22:36:27] <Khudher> Oct 8 05:34:44 Ecvk-WS rsyslogd: [origin software="rsyslogd" swVersion="8.16.0" x-pid="2893" x-info="replaced-url
3680[22:36:30] <Khudher> what does this mean?
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3698[22:45:44] <Epakai> it means rsyslog exited after it received a signal 15, this is normal
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3708[22:53:41] <Scuttle> hm, is there a page or something that tracks new and updated packages in the debian repo?
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3710[22:54:19] <drmagoo> Hi, is it possible to figure out which process is making a dns request ? I have some kinda odd request in the logs of my dns-server and I'm trying to figure out what it might be. (something is doing a query for the A-record of api-github.com about 100 times every minute or so ( that is 100 queries in a second and then waits for a minute)
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3714[22:59:23] <vlt> drmagoo: Possible. You can chain netstat and ps somwhow.
3715[23:00:07] <drmagoo> vlt: any idea on how ?
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3717[23:01:35] <vlt> netstat has "-p"
3718[23:01:56] <vlt> netstat -anpu should show you udp connections
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3725[23:04:04] <vlt> When you take the pid and match it to ps or /proc/<pid> you can find out.
3726[23:04:27] <vlt> Maybe there’s also something much, much easier :)
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3730[23:06:23] <drmagoo> vlt: There probably is, but that doesnt help with its an ID:10T-error. Its the web-based logparser on the dns-server that makes the client do the requests =(
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3740[23:10:02] <drmagoo> vlt: thanks for the help, =)
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3742[23:11:44] <allizom> Scuttle: Have a look at replaced-url
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3755[23:24:43] <stealth_> easy way to add new drive/mount to fstab? or manually edit /etc/fstab?
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3759[23:26:19] <_abc_> Hello. I have one hell of a lot of trouble with firefox 45.x which forcibly replaced iceweasel on wheezy. I downgraded forcibly to iceweasel using aptitude and pinned it with =. Surely there are ways to not foist broken software upon users? The 'new' firefox does not work over network/remote X11 ssh -Y session and causes all sorts of trouble with plugins and locking up user controls in HTML5 play which canno
3760[23:26:25] <_abc_> t be disabled. Does anyone actually test ...
3761[23:26:27] <_abc_> ... key features, like playing youtube on the new browser, before releasing it to debian users?
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3771[23:34:26] <vlt> stealth_: Manually. You can look if there’s /etc/mtab ander manual mounting and maybe you just have to copy one line.
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3777[23:37:52] <stealth_> vlt, ok will edit it, not sure why always feel weird manually editing that file! seems like a easy way to screw up the whole stat up process.
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3780[23:39:19] <vlt> It surely is.
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3782[23:39:44] <mrdeb> hi all
3783[23:39:53] <jmcnaught> _abc_: i'm not using wheezy anymore (for more than a year) but firefox-esr 45 works okay here.. though i never try it over ssh
3784[23:39:58] <mrdeb> is sid ok to use or will things die
3785[23:40:06] <mrdeb> i mean i am using it now and it runs ok
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3792[23:43:11] <satbyy> mrdeb: it's not a question of _if_ but _when_
3793[23:43:33] <mrdeb> ok
3794[23:43:38] <mrdeb> so what now
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3796[23:44:16] <satbyy> continue use it until it breaks down ?
3797[23:44:30] <jmcnaught> mrdeb: you should use Debian Stable if you want a low maintenance computer.
3798[23:44:41] <mrdeb> i am running xfce with sid
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3802[23:45:38] <yokisuci> mrdeb: Don't run Sid if you absolutely have to
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3804[23:46:01] <molluskempire> so iwconfig isn't reachable on the manpages
3805[23:46:01] <mrdeb> i dled an iso with it, so i have to stay on sid with it
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3810[23:47:20] <molluskempire> I'm trying to see Debian can't find any wireless networks when I've got functioning firmware on my broadcom card and also just got a thinkpenguin N adapter so I could remove that firmware and use non-proprietary drivers instead.
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3814[23:47:56] <mrdeb> when is deb 9 out
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3816[23:48:19] <somiaj> mrdeb: freeze happens in november, and 4-6 months (give or take) after that.
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3818[23:48:31] <mrdeb> so next month sid is stable?
3819[23:48:37] <mrdeb> not too long
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3821[23:48:44] <somiaj> sid well never be stable
3822[23:48:46] <missmbob> mrdeb: no
3823[23:48:53] <mrdeb> sid is stretch now
3824[23:48:57] <missmbob> mrdeb: no
3825[23:49:07] <mrdeb> so maybe i can change sources to stretch and it will stabilize
3826[23:49:08] <mrdeb> ok thanks
3827[23:49:11] <somiaj> next month, stretch will freeze, but it still takes time for it to become stable. all known rc bugs need to get fixed or adressed
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3829[23:49:29] <mrdeb> what bugs
3830[23:49:55] <missmbob> i dont buy it anymore
3831[23:50:01] <somiaj> replaced-url
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3833[23:51:00] <mrdeb> i dont understand that list
3834[23:51:06] <mrdeb> does it mean it wont boot or what
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3836[23:52:18] <somiaj> debian has tens of thousands of packages. These are bugs that are considered serious or grave in the package. A user may only encounter a few of them, but debian will address them all before stretch is released. Look at the blue line, notice how it gets near zero (that is when jessie was released -- of course more rc bugs were found after that point)
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3840[23:52:42] <somiaj> sorry, follow the green line (the blue line does a strange jump)
3841[23:53:23] <mrdeb> r there bugs in xfce now
3842[23:53:24] <somiaj> and sometimes debian decides to ignore an rc bug over fix it, so it may not drop all the way to zero. But that is what is done during the freeze. All rc bugs are addressed.
3843[23:53:28] <somiaj> most likely
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3845[23:53:41] <somiaj> some are just minor or wishlist.
3846[23:53:50] <mrdeb> well it is working now
3847[23:54:08] <missmbob> i have a test box where thunar crashes pretty regularly when moving files. fun times
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3850[23:54:19] <mrdeb> missmbob: on sid?
3851[23:54:25] <missmbob> the point is just because you dont see it doesnt mean it's there
3852[23:54:35] <mrdeb> i have it open and it doesn crash
3853[23:54:40] <missmbob> it's stretch. which is not sid. dont know where you got that idea
3854[23:54:49] <mrdeb> stretch is on sid right now
3855[23:54:53] <missmbob> no it's not
3856[23:54:56] <somiaj> yea bugs that affect rare use cases still need to be addressed even if most people won't run into it.
3857[23:55:00] <mrdeb> at boot up it even says stretch/sid
3858[23:55:10] <missmbob> stretch is testing. sid is not stretch.
3859[23:55:12] <somiaj> mrdeb: stretch and sid are different (But they are close)
3860[23:55:15] <mrdeb> no
3861[23:55:20] <mrdeb> i will prove it to u
3862[23:55:27] <mrdeb> do "cat /etc/debian_version
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3864[23:55:41] <missmbob> if you dont want to listen and remain ignorant why ask questions?
3865[23:55:49] <somiaj> for debian-next that will say stretch/sid if you are running either stretch or sid. But it doesn't mean they are the same.
3866[23:55:49] <mrdeb> i am corret
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3868[23:56:00] <mrdeb> stretch is in sid status
3869[23:56:05] <mrdeb> thats lal
3870[23:56:30] <missmbob> mrdeb: then you know more than us. so asking us questions is pointless.
3871[23:56:49] <mrdeb> no i wont
3872[23:56:51] <mrdeb> dont
3873[23:56:56] <mrdeb> i am just correct on this point
3874[23:57:01] <mrdeb> thank u
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3876[23:57:09] <missmbob> then why is no one else backing you up?
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3878[23:57:36] <mrdeb> i said cat
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3880[23:57:46] <mrdeb> and world people most thought was flat too, ok?
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3883[23:57:51] <mrdeb> means nothing
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3892[23:59:31] <_abc_> jmcnaught: thanks for sharing that. I assume your machines are not >10 years old either. ssh -Y testing is MANDATORY.
3893[23:59:50] <_abc_> One of the things which sets linux apart from windows and mac is usability over lan and wan of all machine aspects.
3894[23:59:53] <molluskempire> Can anyone direct me to configuring a wireless network in Debian. I have firmware working according to dmesg but only wired connections are available. I tried to check the manpages but iwconfig leads to a 404
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