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• 1[00:00:28] <jhutchins> missmbob: passwd root as root is redundant.
• 2[00:00:40] <jmcnaught> notlikeme: yeah I would use resolvconf, and "echo 'nameserver x.x.x.x' >> /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head"
• 3[00:00:47] <jhutchins> komomayo: The Linux System Administrator's Guide is an excellent general resource: replaced-url
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• 5[00:01:06] <missmbob> jhutchins: you're really going to make it more confusing and get on my back when the factoid posted said "passwd root"?
• 6[00:01:14] <jmcnaught> coldrye: then it wouldn't be Debian anymore, but some derivative
• 7[00:01:39] <jhutchins> missmbob: It's still redundant. Maybe I'll fix the factoid.
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• 9[00:01:54] <missmbob> jhutchins: i was helping him make sense of it. "replace what the factoid said with this"
• 10[00:01:57] <missmbob> jesus
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• 12[00:02:10] <coldrye> jmcnaught: who said, debian could not reinvent itself?
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• 14[00:02:41] <jmcnaught> coldrye: nobody said that, but it's not going to happen because someone suggested on IRC
• 15[00:03:06] <coldrye> jmcnaught: good point
• 16[00:03:23] <notlikeme> jmcnaught: will it be enough to force 'nameserver x.x.x.x' for all possible connections? and the main question do we have a guarantee that no modification will come from other side (like DHCP service)?
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• 19[00:05:11] <jmcnaught> notlikeme: read about resolvconf (the package, no period) and what it does. If you put a nameserver in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head it will be listed first in /etc/resolv.conf any time that file gets updated
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• 21[00:05:46] <jhutchins> missmbob: Apologies, I'm multitasking.
• 22[00:06:05] <missmbob> jhutchins: no worries. we all do it.
• 23[00:06:20] <rly> notlikeme: are you just an end user who wants to do this or are you doing some fancy enterprise setup?
• 24[00:06:24] <coldrye> jhutchins: you need to make your context switches more stable :D
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• 27[00:07:31] <jhutchins> notlikeme: I think if you read the man resolvconf or man resolvconf.conf pages you'll have a better idea of your options.
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• 29[00:07:49] <notlikeme> rly: enduser here :)
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• 33[00:08:20] <jhutchins> notlikeme: That and look at the docs for whatever other networking protocols you're using besides regualr direct connections.
• 34[00:08:22] <eszett> hi guys. a question from a noob: i have installed debian, and need to install several libraries, with "sudo apt-get install ...". However when im in the terminal it tells me it doesnt know the command "sudo", what do i do wrong?
• 35[00:08:42] <jhutchins> notlikeme: Linux is about learning.
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• 37[00:09:12] <coldrye> eszett: you have no sudo installed
• 38[00:09:13] <somiaj> eszett: sudo is not installed by default. YOu will have to install it and then add your user to the sudo group to give the user root privlages via sudo
• 39[00:09:16] <rly> notlikeme: in that case, I would *highly* recommend you to just get a working router that works correctly with DHCP.
• 40[00:09:27] <jmcnaught> eszett: you can become root with "su -l" and then type the root password (that you created in the installer). Then you can "apt-get install sudo" and "adduser myusername sudo" to add your user to the sudo group
• 41[00:09:28] <eszett> oh that sounds complicated. ok lets do it
• 42[00:09:28] <somiaj> eszett: so apt-get install sudo, then adduser username sudo (run those as root)
• 43[00:09:46] <eszett> ok slowly.. i have to write that down :-)
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• 46[00:09:54] <eszett> How do i install sudo?
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• 48[00:10:14] <dooglus> eszett: "sudo apt-get install sudo"?
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• 50[00:10:18] <eszett> lol..
• 51[00:10:22] <`Kevin> wow :P
• 52[00:10:24] <`Kevin> haha
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• 55[00:10:35] <coldrye> eszett: best in the installer, enable sudo per default
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• 57[00:10:36] <eszett> even I have understood the joke
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• 59[00:10:47] <eszett> coldrye: alright ill try
• 60[00:10:52] <dooglus> eszett: as root, "apt-get install sudo"
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• 62[00:10:55] <`Kevin> eszett: su to root (you set a root pw on install?)
• 63[00:11:06] <notlikeme> jhutchins: thx, ill try once more. after first attempt its still unclear for me, cuz debian wiki says about resolvconf as one of three programs which "will be happy to modify my resolv.conf"
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• 65[00:12:00] <coldrye> does resolv.conf.d not require a secondary package?
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• 67[00:12:32] <notlikeme> jhutchins: i read about DHCP and there is "prepend domain-name-servers x.x.x.x;..." option within /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf and all my attempts to find what option and program is primary failed
• 68[00:12:32] <eszett> hooray, im logged in as root!
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• 74[00:13:12] <coldrye> eszett: now break the system and repair it without reinstalling it
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• 76[00:14:34] <notlikeme> rly: im trying to implement a bit different thing. trying to block reverse DNS request via dnsmasq. i believe i need to guarantee "nameserver 127.0.0.1" is the first line in resolv.conf for that to work.
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• 79[00:15:16] <komomayo> if i want rest user password
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• 81[00:15:25] <jmcnaught> notlikeme: 'block reverse DNS request'... but why?
• 82[00:15:26] <komomayo> and the name with space
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• 84[00:15:34] <komomayo> eg. lol mak
• 85[00:15:41] <komomayo> how can i rest it on command
• 86[00:15:42] <komomayo> ?
• 87[00:15:49] <eszett> coldrye: ye.. well I typed "apt-get install sudo" and it wants to have the CD, but i have no CD, it runs on a VM
• 88[00:16:01] <jhutchins> notlikeme: Did you try man dhclient.conf?
• 89[00:16:22] <coldrye> eszett: i thought you were already logged in as root?
• 90[00:16:25] <jmcnaught> komomayo: please finish a thought before hitting <enter> instead of spanning it across five or six lines. Read the manual page for the passwd command "man passwd" to see how to change passwords
• 91[00:16:26] <jhutchins> notlikeme: You should have apropos installed, apropos foo will tell you about any man pages related to foo.
• 92[00:16:29] <eszett> yes i am logged in as root
• 93[00:16:54] <eszett> root@osboxes$
• 94[00:17:06] <jhutchins> coldrye: I believe that resolv.conf.d is either part of the resolvconf package, which is standard, or you can arbitrarily create it.
• 95[00:17:06] <coldrye> eszett: see /etc/apt/sources.list and outcomment the cd based sources
• 96[00:17:18] <rly> notlikeme: IMHO, the resolvconf set of tools is not as high quality as one would want. If it works, great, but if it doesn't it creates a nightmare.
• 97[00:17:32] <eszett> coldrye: ok
• 98[00:17:36] <jhutchins> coldrye: The .d directory convention allows installers to easily remove conf files they've added to a program.
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• 100[00:17:48] <komomayo> jmcnaught , user lol mak , tell me command , passwd lol mak , isnt works
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• 102[00:18:11] <jmcnaught> komomayo: you have a space character in your username?
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• 104[00:18:12] <coldrye> komomayo: you do not want user names with spaces in it, believe me
• 105[00:18:20] <jhutchins> !tell eszett about sources.list
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• 107[00:18:33] <`Kevin> eszett: you can also >> cat /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list an an example
• 108[00:18:34] <komomayo> jmcnaught yes its with space
• 109[00:18:39] <jhutchins> eszett: See PM from dpkg, comment out the CD entries.
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• 111[00:19:00] <`Kevin> as a example*
• 112[00:19:33] <jmcnaught> komomayo: escape the space character with a backslash, for example: passwd lol\ mak
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• 114[00:20:10] <notlikeme> jhutchins: thank you. while i feel its smth like meta information between few tools, ill try with "man" for sure. i need to know what tool has priority over everything else. so i know for sure: i placed nameserver inside ../resolv.conf.d/head and it will be *always* on first place in /etc/resolv.conf
• 115[00:20:51] <eszett> I got the idea of commenting out sources.list, but first i have to login the GUI as root, to have the permissions to do so
• 116[00:20:51] <rly> notlikeme: I think that's what it should do, but I don't think it always does that.
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• 118[00:21:06] <rly> notlikeme: I suppose you could open a bug if it doesn't.
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• 120[00:21:21] <`Kevin> eszett: if you are SUd to root in a terminal then you can edit it
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• 123[00:21:50] <coldrye> eszett: just use vi /etc/apt/sources.list :D
• 124[00:21:53] <eszett> really? hm ok
• 125[00:21:55] <notlikeme> rly: any better way to block DNS requests for specific destination maybe? after 10 hrs of research i feel so confused
• 126[00:22:10] <eszett> yes vi is better
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• 128[00:22:44] <notlikeme> rly: i know its possible via iptables hack, with scanning request data and looking for specific hex-string, but it feels even more unstable
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• 130[00:24:11] <`Kevin> notlikeme: I wouldn't say unstable but certainly not performant from a packets/sec propsective
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• 135[00:25:42] <rly> notlikeme: you mean reverse lookups still?
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• 138[00:27:34] <jmcnaught> notlikeme: what is the root problem you are trying to solve by blocking reverse DNS?
• 139[00:27:44] <rly> notlikeme: I think there are many resources on the Internet for configuring dnsmasq to be used for your DNS lookups.
• 140[00:27:58] <rly> notlikeme: so, what you are doing is likely to be the simplest.
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• 142[00:28:06] <rly> notlikeme: I also had it configured like that at some point.
• 143[00:28:16] <missmbob> rly: not really. the provider of the ip is the one in charge of reverse
• 144[00:29:09] <rly> missmbob: are you notlikeme?
• 145[00:29:33] <notlikeme> rly: ye. atm i have dnsmasq on 127.0.0.1:53 and "server=/220.11.10.160.in-addr.arpa/0.0.0.0" string in dnsmasq.conf, everything works well until my /etc/resolv.conf gets suddenly overwritten and "nameserver 127.0.0.1" gets lost
• 146[00:29:35] <missmbob> rly: is that an irc user? no, i'm not. i'm also known as markybob
• 147[00:29:36] <jmcnaught> i have the dnsmasq run by libvirt at the first namserver listed in resolv.conf using the resolvconf, which allows me to resolve the hostnames of VMs
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• 149[00:29:54] <Shadonovitch> Hi, is there anyway to make all my already existing users get the new version of /etc/skel ?
• 150[00:30:23] <rly> missmbob: I am not sure why you talked to me then.
• 151[00:30:32] <rly> missmbob: you didn't tell me anything which is both new and correct.
• 152[00:30:35] <notlikeme> jmcnaught: i want to prevent DNS leakage for specific IP. privacy related.
• 153[00:30:45] <missmbob> everyone has an attitude today.
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• 155[00:31:08] <coldrye> notlikeme: why do you not simply define an iptables rule for that?
• 156[00:31:09] <jmcnaught> notlikeme: okay. the method i described with resolvconf's head file has been very reliable for me
• 157[00:31:33] <komomayo> i need somebody to enter teamviewer , and check my problem , i can pay
• 158[00:31:45] <jmcnaught> komomayo: we don't do that around here
• 159[00:31:53] <otyugh_II> hey
• 160[00:32:20] <komomayo> jmcnaught i tried everything nothing works , and im paying..
• 161[00:32:23] <coldrye> komomayo: have you tried stackoverflow yet?
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• 163[00:32:39] <otyugh_II> do you know where to look out to "create" an original session ? Let say making an alternative to xfce-session, using for instance the caja's desktop. Could I do that ?
• 164[00:32:47] <komomayo> coldrye im noob , idk
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• 166[00:32:57] <notlikeme> coldrye: it feels very hacky for me. i dont like a method of parsing DNS request as raw binary looking for string.
• 167[00:33:00] <jmcnaught> komomayo: this is a volunteer support for Debian, which doesn't even have teamviewer. Also it would be dumb for anyone to log into your machine, because if you think they broke something you could try and sue them.
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• 170[00:34:19] <komomayo> I take full responsibility
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• 172[00:34:36] <jmcnaught> komomayo: if you read over the first five or six links on this page you won't be a noob anymore: replaced-url
• 173[00:34:43] <coldrye> notlikeme: seems to me that you want to prevent certain hosts from accessing certain dns records. now, why not define an iptables rule that drops/disallows access from those ipaddresses to port 53 to the destination which is your forwarding/caching dns?
• 174[00:34:56] <komomayo> jmcnaught is there video>?
• 175[00:35:07] <komomayo> jmcnaught , becuase i dont have much time
• 176[00:35:16] <jmcnaught> komomayo: no but several of the books are available in multiple languages
• 177[00:35:17] <komomayo> jmcnaught is there video>?
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• 179[00:35:34] <eszett> Alright, thanks guys. "sudo apt-get install ..." is running now. very well!
• 180[00:35:52] <jmcnaught> komomayo: you'd also benefit from reading about IRC etiquette
• 181[00:35:59] <komomayo> jmcnaught , can you use teamviewer? i will pay and i take full responsibility
• 182[00:36:03] <notlikeme> jmcnaught: thx man. i just want to find at least somewhere that "its guaranteed that noone never will insert anything before ../resolv.conf.d/head" and im done :)
• 183[00:36:08] <rly> notlikeme: if you really want privacy, you shouldn't be using Debian, but something designed for the task.
• 184[00:36:38] <notlikeme> coldrye: i try to block my laptop from requesting reverse DNS for specific IP
• 185[00:37:12] <r3> no way would I accept a challenge to "recover" a root password on some stranger's system, not even for money - nope nope nope
• 186[00:37:33] <teraflops> notlikeme: use unbound
• 187[00:37:38] <missmbob> r3: you don't want to go to jail? smart
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• 190[00:38:12] <notlikeme> rly: mmm... but is there anything wrong with well-configured Debian?
• 191[00:38:21] <jmcnaught> no
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• 193[00:38:36] <rly> notlikeme: well-configured as a normal end user doesn't exist.
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• 196[00:38:53] <rly> notlikeme: if you have a decade of experience in networking and Debian, perhaps.
• 197[00:38:54] <coldrye> notlikeme: sounds like a bogus use case to me, why allow forward lookups and disallow reverse lookups?
• 198[00:39:26] <teraflops> coldrye: looks like a bug I recall using openvpn it appends dns nameservers
• 199[00:39:27] <rly> notlikeme: you can always just build whatever resolving is leaking from source and add a conditional.
• 200[00:39:48] <rly> resolver*
• 201[00:39:58] <teraflops> notlikeme: I do unbound + openresolv I only have 127.0.0.1 as nameserver
• 202[00:40:18] <teraflops> notlikeme: also dnssec
• 203[00:40:25] <notlikeme> coldrye: i access certain resource only via ip-address. however, as i see (dnsmasq way), there is no problem to block forward lookup once it done for reverse, or vice versa.
• 204[00:40:29] <teraflops> at least validation
• 205[00:41:55] <notlikeme> teraflops: thank you, will definetly check it out
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• 207[00:42:32] <jmcnaught> do recursive nameservers tell the upstream nameservers the address or IP of the computer making the original request?
• 208[00:43:13] <jmcnaught> because dnsmasq isn't even a recursive nameserver, so it would be asking the next nameserver listed in /etc/resolv.conf for anything it doesn't know about
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• 210[00:44:54] <notlikeme> rly: dont you think that "we made it secure for you" distributions may be even more unsafe?
• 211[00:45:03] <teraflops> jmcnaught: that's why it gross
• 212[00:45:11] <teraflops> it's
• 213[00:45:43] <rly> notlikeme: you can compute diffs, if you want.
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• 215[00:45:55] <rly> notlikeme: and then build the distros from source.
• 216[00:46:24] <teraflops> consider running a vpn and pushing nameserver from server, but in the client side just appending to existing ones
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• 219[00:46:40] <rly> notlikeme: I don't think you can run any secure system as a consumer, regardless.
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• 221[00:47:38] <teraflops> rly: well but the user can do many things
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• 223[00:47:59] <rly> teraflops: sure, but the amount of people on the planet which actually can do these things is pretty limited.
• 224[00:48:18] <rly> teraflops: if it's 10000, I think it's already a lot.
• 225[00:48:49] <teraflops> rly: what you say sounded to me: hey don't care about security because it's a lost battle, well I disagree
• 226[00:49:00] <notlikeme> rly: i decided to configure everything myself at least to learn more
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• 229[00:49:53] <rly> teraflops: you can "care", but it won't make a difference.
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• 231[00:50:38] <rly> teraflops: DARPA only recently found a method which seems to keep hackers out; full on formal verification.
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• 233[00:51:25] <teraflops> rly: well I still disagree, anyway we are getting offtopic
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• 235[00:51:35] <notlikeme> what do you guys think of proper isolation? is "cgroups + hardened kernel" enough to run untrusted/proprietary apps?
• 236[00:51:52] <rly> notlikeme: just buy an extra physical machine.
• 237[00:52:01] <rly> notlikeme: and do not connect it to the Internet, ever.
• 238[00:52:35] <notlikeme> rly: you are laughing at me, ok, at least im able to understand :)
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• 240[00:52:51] <rly> notlikeme: I am not laughing.
• 241[00:53:10] <rly> notlikeme: it's just that "security" is not something the population wants to have.
• 242[00:53:17] <rly> At least, nobody is paying for security.
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• 244[00:53:43] <rly> So, expecting security is just unwise.
• 245[00:53:53] <coldrye> rly: oh, they are paying, and well by that
• 246[00:54:03] <rly> coldrye: ransomware? ;)
• 247[00:54:25] <rly> Or as in taxes?
• 248[00:54:32] <coldrye> rly: surveillance and taxes, yes
• 249[00:54:40] * GeMiNniS bye
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• 254[00:55:31] <rly> coldrye: surveillance is also what helps maintain stability.
• 255[00:55:53] <rly> coldrye: without surveillance the human race would likely have already been nuked to oblivion.
• 256[00:55:55] <notlikeme> rly: your answers are very idealistic. "totally insecure" vs "totally secure (separate physical machine disconnected from internet)" and nothing between
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• 258[00:56:45] <rly> notlikeme: a separate physical machine disconnected from the internet is not "totally secure".
• 259[00:56:57] <notlikeme> close to
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• 262[00:57:31] <rly> notlikeme: you are probably completely uninteresting to monitor.
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• 264[00:57:44] <coldrye> rly: surveillance is what comes from aggravation induced by continous warfare in the middle east induced by the NATO
• 265[00:58:18] <rly> coldrye: surveillance has always existed.
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• 267[00:58:34] <rly> coldrye: it's just that before the Internet, nobody knew they existed.
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• 269[00:58:57] <notlikeme> rly: you are right, i'm not
• 270[00:58:58] <missmbob> rly: really? do you know history at all?
• 271[00:59:00] <rly> coldrye: controlling the cattle (I mean population) has always been a hot topic.
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• 273[00:59:16] <rly> missmbob: do you?
• 274[00:59:18] <missmbob> anyway...
• 275[00:59:20] <missmbob> !ot
• 276[00:59:20] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 277[00:59:25] <prussian> lol
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• 279[01:00:37] <coldrye> rly: yes, surveillance of actions and intent by other states did, but surveillance of the own people did only marginally exist in so called democratic states, and now it becomes a commodity
• 280[01:01:08] <coldrye> and yes, this is ot
• 281[01:01:36] <WangDang> Anyone know how to revive a dead system service? "systemctl status apt-daily.service" shows it is loaded but "inactive (dead)". I already tried "systemctl start apt-daily.service". It just showed the same status.
• 282[01:02:24] <coldrye> WangDang: is there a lock file that prevents the service from being started?
• 283[01:02:39] <missmbob> WangDang: that's because it's a cron thing. doesn't run all the time
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• 285[01:02:59] <WangDang> coldrye: I don't know, how would I check?
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• 287[01:03:16] <WangDang> missmbob: it's supposed to run every day at 6pm
• 288[01:03:17] <coldrye> WangDang: see answer from missmbob
• 289[01:03:30] <missmbob> WangDang: right. is it exactly 6pm now? so it's not running *now*
• 290[01:03:56] <WangDang> it's 7pm here. It should have started an hour ago
• 291[01:04:09] <missmbob> WangDang: yeah. it should last just a few seconds
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• 293[01:04:44] <WangDang> missmbob: but it should log that it started. There is no update to the log
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• 295[01:04:52] <coldrye> WangDang: see /var/log/syslog for cron entries and find your apt.daily there
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• 299[01:06:14] <stoned> rly: then you have to worry about physical security of the system.
• 300[01:06:16] <WangDang> coldrye: the only cron entries inn syslog are for cron.hourly. There is nothing for .daily
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• 302[01:06:37] <stoned> Just because we have unplugged does not mean that we are automatically secure.
• 303[01:06:47] <missmbob> WangDang: oh i remember you. you're the one using apt v 1.3, right?
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• 306[01:06:53] <rly> stoned: I know.
• 307[01:07:00] <stoned> Wicked.
• 308[01:07:41] <missmbob> WangDang: 1.3 doesn't have an apt daily cron job. we covered this the other day.
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• 311[01:08:20] <WangDang> yes! It turns out that using /etc/cron.daily/apt is deprecated as of apt 1.2. auto updates are supposed to be run via systemctl now. That's why I'm back to trying to figure why it isn't working
• 312[01:08:28] <missmbob> WangDang: also, since you're in stretch/sid, you should ask questions in #debian-next on OFTC, not here
• 313[01:08:44] <missmbob> WangDang: ask the right channel.
• 314[01:08:57] <WangDang> Okey, thanks
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• 323[01:15:37] <coldrye> missmbob:one must be invited to debian-next...
• 324[01:16:17] <missmbob> coldrye: it's on OFTC not freenode
• 325[01:16:29] <stoned> irc.debian.org
• 326[01:16:43] <coldrye> oh my...
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• 329[01:17:45] <WangDang> Yeah, I'm on without an invite. Though it is pretty quiet over there...
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• 338[01:22:59] <coldrye> WangDang: if it is a dead horse, just stir until the maggots come to life...
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• 340[01:24:30] <WangDang> lol
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• 342[01:24:44] <stoned> When it comes to an ugly image... you can't beat a dead horse!
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• 351[01:29:17] <coldrye> stoned: tell that to my former employer :D
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• 353[01:29:37] <germangirl> replaced-url
• 354[01:30:07] <stoned> the hell
• 355[01:30:16] <germangirl> This one minute video is packed to the brim with crucial truth. A small tribe controls mass media and is using their power to destroy us.
• 356[01:30:36] <stoned> germangirl: G'way.
• 357[01:30:41] <stoned> germangirl: G'way, you.
• 358[01:30:54] <germangirl> This is the reuploading of a video that is constantly taken down by Youtube, because it is the truth. Help to backup these truths. Download and save the video!
• 359[01:31:02] <Klaus_D1eter_> hm still the libvirt network here is weird. I managed to sourt out the ip address conflict but one of the VMs still loses network connectivity after a while. arp from outside the vm is not visible and it also does not get out any more
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• 361[01:31:13] <Klaus_D1eter_> so inside the vm hosts outside cannot be resolved
• 362[01:31:22] <germangirl> replaced-url
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• 390[01:45:43] <temp> Hi everybody, anyone can advise me a good VPN?
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• 392[01:47:06] <teraflops> software or provider?
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• 394[01:47:39] <temp> provider (no free)
• 395[01:47:55] <teraflops> temp: no idea sorry
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• 400[01:49:15] <temp> no problem. Thank you
• 401[01:50:07] <teraflops> temp: *I* prefer a good vps service and setting up openvpn myself though
• 402[01:50:35] <Elronnd> I recently had to reinstall my os, so I made a backup of a few important files on a usb stick
• 403[01:50:45] <Elronnd> I can't mount it, though, and fsck tells me it can't find anything interesting
• 404[01:51:01] <Elronnd> when I try to mkfs.ext4 on it, though, it says it's found an ext4 fs on it
• 405[01:51:06] <Elronnd> is there any way to recover my files/
• 406[01:51:22] <temp> teraflops, what is a good vpn service?
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• 408[01:52:21] <teraflops> temp: there are many
• 409[01:52:24] <eszett> I have a question, after a while I have a screen that just shows the Time, which allows no user interaction anymore, is that a kind of debian screensaver? how can i exit it?
• 410[01:52:43] <Elronnd> eszett: sounds like gnome's screensaver
• 411[01:52:47] <eszett> "00:52 Friday, 07 October"
• 412[01:52:53] <Elronnd> press "enter," or click on the bottom of the screen and drag up
• 413[01:52:57] <eszett> ok
• 414[01:53:00] <teraflops> temp: wait vpn or vps¿
• 415[01:53:10] <teraflops> *?
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• 417[01:53:12] <temp> vpn
• 418[01:53:14] <temp> :)
• 419[01:53:23] <eszett> Elrond prince of the elves: no reaction from the screensaver..
• 420[01:53:29] <teraflops> openvpn is not that bad
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• 422[01:54:31] <eszett> ah, now the mysterious screensaver took me back to a login screen, where i can login again. ok, annoying, but at least im in the system again!
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• 424[01:55:01] <Elronnd> eszett: I believe you can disable the screensaver in gnome-settings
• 425[01:55:40] <teraflops> eszett: ssh into the machine while the screensaver is runnig and and look at what processes are running?
• 426[01:56:05] <AvatarA> Elronnd, testdisk is one of many, although it's really hard to tell from your info what went wrong
• 427[01:56:16] <teraflops> list installed packages and grep for something related?
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• 429[01:56:40] <teraflops> gnome-screensaver is a thing iirc
• 430[01:57:01] <Elronnd> teraflops: open settings
• 431[01:57:13] <teraflops> me?
• 432[01:57:14] <Elronnd> AvatarA: thanks, I'll install that and see what it says
• 433[01:57:17] <teraflops> heh
• 434[01:57:24] <Elronnd> oh, sorry
• 435[01:57:28] <Elronnd> eszett: open settings
• 436[01:57:35] <Elronnd> gnome has a fancy front-end to gsettings
• 437[01:57:36] <Elronnd> open power
• 438[01:57:37] <teraflops> Elronnd: nah np
• 439[01:57:43] <Elronnd> there should be a screensaver thing
• 440[01:58:09] <Elronnd> AvatarA: testdisk says "Unable to open file or device /dev/sdb: No medium found"
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• 445[02:02:44] <AvatarA> are you sure it's sdb?
• 446[02:02:59] <AvatarA> what does lsblk show?
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• 448[02:03:42] <Elronnd> lsblk only shows /dev/sda*, my main partition
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• 450[02:04:07] <Elronnd> /dev/sdb is definitely there, though, and it's definitely the name of my usb disc
• 451[02:04:36] <Elronnd> oh here we go. I plugged it back in, and now testdisk is picking it up
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• 453[02:05:56] <foldingchair> i want to install debian on my laptop and use it outside a server environment. in the live cd session, my realtek wifi adapter isn't usable, and the installer says i need to load up the .bin driver for my wifi adpater. in ubuntu, wifi works without any action from me. i believe this is because ubuntu added nonfree drivers. is there a build of debian that includes nonfree drivers and will work out of the box?
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• 455[02:06:19] <AvatarA> yes
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• 457[02:06:46] <teraflops> foldingchair: replaced-url
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• 459[02:07:19] <foldingchair> AvatarA, teraflops aah cool! i'll check this out. thanks.
• 460[02:07:24] <teraflops> np
• 461[02:07:46] <tx> does that image include non-free firmware such as wifi firmware?
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• 465[02:08:28] <AvatarA> all non-free firmware there is for debian
• 466[02:08:32] <AvatarA> video firmware, etc
• 467[02:08:38] <tx> right
• 468[02:08:56] <tx> I thought it may have just been a sub-set that fixes boot-preventing problems.
• 469[02:09:06] <tx> Networking (and especially wifi) isn't exactly boot breaking.
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• 471[02:10:35] <AvatarA> it includes everything since it's not a problem, it just takes up a little bit of disk space but doesn't get loaded if it's not needed
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• 473[02:11:03] <AvatarA> but there is a way to add only the needed firmware to your official debian install image/live image
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• 475[02:11:31] <Elronnd> AvatarA: testdisk, while in the middle of testing my disk, reports "Read error at 6403/14/4 (lba=13113795)"
• 476[02:11:56] <olivier> Is it better to have a debian 100% free ( with no contrib and non free)
• 477[02:12:01] <AvatarA> and sometimes when there is no wifi, it isn't boot breaking but it can be a big problem for some
• 478[02:12:32] <teraflops> olivier: that looks like a personal decision
• 479[02:12:32] <AvatarA> I don't know if it applies to to usb sticks
• 480[02:12:42] <AvatarA> but badblocks can test for... well, badblocks :)
• 481[02:12:49] <olivier> terflops : what is the better ?
• 482[02:12:50] <Elronnd> is there a way to fix it?
• 483[02:13:02] <olivier> because since three days, I'm curious about that
• 484[02:13:04] <Elronnd> as I said, fsck didn't have any useful results aside from "couldn't find anything"
• 485[02:13:25] <teraflops> badblocks in sdcard/ssd/usbtick is a good idea?
• 486[02:13:57] <Elronnd> oh I see
• 487[02:14:00] <Elronnd> badblocks is a utility
• 488[02:14:08] <olivier> Oh, and I would like to know if anybody know a good program on linux to watch tv
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• 490[02:14:11] <Elronnd> I'll install/run it once testdisk finishes
• 491[02:14:26] <teraflops> Elronnd: that and the fact that the usb stick is not always detected looks like a bad signal
• 492[02:14:30] <Elronnd> olivier: what exactly do you mean by "watch tv"?
• 493[02:15:31] <Elronnd> teraflops: is there any way to try and recover the data on it?
• 494[02:15:31] <teraflops> olivier: tvheadend does dvb-t/s and iptv if you meant that
• 495[02:16:00] <teraflops> Elronnd: idk if badblocks is a good idea in a flash memory
• 496[02:16:13] <olivier> Elronnd : I'm canadian but I live in France, I found a program. With this program, I can watch french tv legally but this program don't respect the rules of linux (it's a appimage and I ask the developer, this program is not free) and I prefer program free totally free
• 497[02:16:29] <teraflops> olivier: perhaps ddrescue im not sure
• 498[02:16:52] <olivier> I enter this in the terminal ? or perhaps ddrescue is the program ?
• 499[02:17:09] <teraflops> olivier: oh sorry i meant Elronnd
• 500[02:17:12] <teraflops> my bad
• 501[02:17:23] <olivier> Oh, it's okay !
• 502[02:17:34] <olivier> And I ask if it's better to have a debian totally free
• 503[02:18:05] <teraflops> it's up to you
• 504[02:18:41] <olivier> and for you ?
• 505[02:18:54] <teraflops> I dont care to be honest
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• 507[02:19:58] <tx> I do up to a point
• 508[02:20:07] <tx> I understand firmware can't always be free.
• 509[02:20:40] <olivier> teraflops :But on linux, it's not bad to have a non free program or a contrib ? (I know that is a weird question)
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• 511[02:20:59] <teraflops> olivier: yeah I told you it's up to you
• 512[02:21:11] <AvatarA> it's a very broad question
• 513[02:21:19] <teraflops> olivier: I *personally* don't care
• 514[02:21:31] <AvatarA> if it's about trust and the fact you can't trust closed source software, you can isolate it
• 515[02:21:35] <teraflops> olivier: I care more on the hardware side
• 516[02:21:46] <teraflops> as tx pointed
• 517[02:21:55] <olivier> I have on my computer, one closed source software so..
• 518[02:22:18] <coldrye> olivier: regardless of the program you use there is no good program on tv
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• 520[02:23:04] <olivier> okay so it's better to keep the program i found ?
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• 522[02:23:38] <AvatarA> if it does its job well, keep it
• 523[02:23:48] <AvatarA> if you don't trust it, isolate it from the rest of the system
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• 526[02:24:30] <olivier> AvatarA : When you say isolate it from the rest of the system, it's mean delete the program ?
• 527[02:24:36] <coldrye> is AvatarA a KI?
• 528[02:25:19] <coldrye> KI/AI?
• 529[02:25:29] <AvatarA> I mean isolate it so it can only access its own data and cannot access your personal files, photos etc.
• 530[02:26:00] <awal1> olivier, well, sometimes you're like "obligated" to use X pkg from non-free and contrib, something like iwlwifi...
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• 533[02:26:13] <AvatarA> isolation is also a broad subject, you can isolate in virtual machines, emulators, systemd containers and many others
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• 537[02:26:49] <olivier> AvatarA : I'm not good in virtual system so...
• 538[02:27:05] <AvatarA> I can give you a concrete example, I run PokerStars
• 539[02:27:20] <AvatarA> I have made a separate user and home directory for it
• 540[02:27:32] <AvatarA> when I need to run that I login as that user and run the program
• 541[02:27:42] <AvatarA> this is weak isolation but it's good enough for my purpose
• 542[02:27:57] <olivier> okay, so you stay on debian ?
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• 544[02:28:13] <olivier> and you create a new user for others programs ?
• 545[02:28:16] <AvatarA> why did I do it? because they have a utility that spies on some stuff you run on your computer to make sure you aren't cheating
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• 548[02:28:58] <olivier> AvatarA : So, if I understand, you create new user for the others programs right ?
• 549[02:29:07] <AvatarA> for THIS CASE
• 550[02:29:14] <olivier> okay
• 551[02:30:05] <olivier> AvatarA : I try that. Thank you for the advice !
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• 556[02:31:33] <olivier> I have to go. Thank you for your help :)
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• 561[02:34:48] <eszett> how can i change the look of my terminal windows. with other colors, and other font, etc?
• 562[02:35:00] <eszett> maybe can i install a different terminal software?
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• 565[02:38:13] <th3jam3sd3an> eszett: have you tried right-clicking the term window and going to profile preferences?
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• 577[02:47:01] <eszett> thejamesdean: yes, that did work thanks!
• 578[02:47:27] <th3jam3sd3an> eszett, no worries and you are welcome :)
• 579[02:47:29] <Elronnd> holy shit thank got
• 580[02:47:35] <Elronnd> thanks for the pointer AvatarA
• 581[02:47:44] <Elronnd> testdisk gave me a cmdline for fsck
• 582[02:47:49] <Elronnd> which actually recovered my disc
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• 638[03:19:39] <AvatarA> Elronnd, that's good but next time you could use a separate home partition and that way you can keep whatever you need when you reinstall
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• 692[03:55:17] <republican_devil> hello
• 693[03:55:35] *** republican_devil is now known as henrygeorge
• 694[03:55:37] <henrygeorge> hey
• 695[03:55:53] <henrygeorge> anyone here using debian with zfs and some big scsi attached storage liek say 45T
• 696[03:55:57] <henrygeorge> raid 10?
• 697[03:56:04] <henrygeorge> I am stunned by the experiments i am running
• 698[03:56:13] <henrygeorge> 24x speed of raid 5 previous setup
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• 700[03:56:18] <henrygeorge> holy makrel
• 701[03:57:28] <denken> that wouldnt surprise me, really
• 702[03:57:50] <denken> no parity calculation + striping *and* mirroring
• 703[03:58:49] <henrygeorge> now they have 22T of FAST
• 704[03:58:55] <henrygeorge> but java idiots have decied
• 705[03:59:04] <henrygeorge> no we want bring in spring and do a bunch fo vms
• 706[03:59:08] <henrygeorge> I feel stabby
• 707[03:59:13] <henrygeorge> I pretty much threat to quit
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• 732[04:20:39] <henrygeorge> is anyone here running a heavy load website without virtualization or SAN? like like ha proxy and webserver with a db
• 733[04:20:48] <henrygeorge> well webserver tier
• 734[04:21:04] <henrygeorge> you know old school linux on the metal with a load balancer setup
• 735[04:21:13] <henrygeorge> non of this docker or other bs or devops bs
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• 743[04:23:55] <dfgas> root@DS1 ~# kinit administrator@BURHITE.LOCAL
• 744[04:23:55] <dfgas> kinit: Cannot find KDC for realm "BURHITE.LOCAL" while getting initial credentials
• 745[04:24:03] <dfgas> anyidea why i would get that?
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• 747[04:25:16] <Hello71> maybe it cannot find a KDC
• 748[04:25:40] <dfgas> but why?, lol
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• 767[04:36:30] <somiaj> dfgas: google suggests it is a configuration issue with your krb5.conf file
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• 777[04:43:03] <Ba11istiX> hi
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• 791[04:50:32] <iamawesome> I've download firefox.tar.gz from official site, then extracted, ./firefox/firefox&
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• 793[04:50:42] <iamawesome> But at top it says Firefox ESR, why?
• 794[04:51:40] <jmcnaught> iamawesome: why are you running firefox from a tarball?
• 795[04:52:04] <jmcnaught> !mdn
• 796[04:52:05] <dpkg> For stable releases, newer versions of Firefox, Icedove and Iceape can be found at replaced-url
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• 798[04:52:14] <iamawesome> I use the official app
• 799[04:52:29] <th3jam3sd3an> iamawesome, I had this issue and just removed it and installed backports version...
• 800[04:53:07] <jmcnaught> iamawesome: firefox-esr is the official firefox-esr packaged by Debian. same goes for the firefox package the bot talked about ^^
• 801[04:54:26] <th3jam3sd3an> jmcnaught, I haven't run into any issues running verison 49.0
• 802[04:54:33] <th3jam3sd3an> yet...
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• 804[04:54:45] <jmcnaught> th3jam3sd3an: from mozilla.debian.net?
• 805[04:54:52] <th3jam3sd3an> yepper
• 806[04:54:58] <th3jam3sd3an> yeppers*
• 807[04:55:02] <iamawesome> I want to use official firefox for linux, any problem?
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• 809[04:55:37] <pingfloyd> iamawesome: no
• 810[04:56:04] <pingfloyd> iamawesome: I use the binary tarball from upstream mozilla myself
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• 812[04:56:38] <pingfloyd> iamawesome: you pretty much just extract it where you want it to be and run it from there.
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• 814[04:58:08] <jmcnaught> iamawesome: you can do whatever you want, but personally i try to run as much as possible from the Debian archives. I need a really good reason to stray from it.
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• 818[04:58:30] <th3jam3sd3an> pingfloyd: any benefit from running from a tarball?
• 819[04:58:45] <pingfloyd> th3jam3sd3an: having the latest version of it
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• 822[04:59:25] <pingfloyd> th3jam3sd3an: web browser being that it is used so much and updates frequently, is one of the few apps I keep latest as possible.
• 823[04:59:47] <rypervenche> iamawesome: There is also: replaced-url
• 824[04:59:54] <th3jam3sd3an> pingfloyd: Well, I am happy with the mozilla.debian.net repo vers then...
• 825[04:59:54] <somiaj> though you can get latest version (with a small dely after the release) from mozilla.debian.net.
• 826[04:59:56] <th3jam3sd3an> haha
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• 828[05:00:02] <pingfloyd> th3jam3sd3an: debian provide firefox ESR as a package now though
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• 830[05:00:30] <th3jam3sd3an> my ocd won't allow the "esr" xD
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• 833[05:01:14] <pingfloyd> if you use the latest from mozilla, you update it by running for instance gksudo firefox, but don't be browsing around with those privileges.
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• 835[05:01:25] <pingfloyd> only do that for update itself
• 836[05:01:35] <jmcnaught> i'm okay with the ESR, it gets updates, i'm not a web developer, it works great
• 837[05:01:47] <pingfloyd> i.e., launch it with those privs and goto help > about
• 838[05:01:57] <jmcnaught> if you need firefox release channel, it makes a lot more sense to use mozilla.debian.net than to run firefox as root to update
• 839[05:02:20] <pingfloyd> it's not going to hurt anything running as root if you're not dumb about it
• 840[05:02:31] <pingfloyd> like go surfing as root
• 841[05:02:44] <th3jam3sd3an> keyword being "dumb"
• 842[05:02:52] <pingfloyd> th3jam3sd3an: it's common sense
• 843[05:02:59] <th3jam3sd3an> I like having the repo myself
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• 845[05:03:21] <th3jam3sd3an> pingfloyd: very true, but not very common anymore
• 846[05:03:22] <pingfloyd> if user doesn't have at least that amount of common sense, they probably shouldn't be using linux or any unix-like really
• 847[05:03:37] <jmcnaught> until one day the phone rings while you're updating firefox by running it as root, and you forget or a housemate goes to a torrent site with that window
• 848[05:03:48] <th3jam3sd3an> valid points, valid points everywhere!
• 849[05:04:30] <pingfloyd> jmcnaught: not going to happen, because you close it after done with updating. But if that scares you, extract the tarball to say a directory under home.
• 850[05:04:32] <jmcnaught> the Debian way of running firefox release is replaced-url
• 851[05:04:54] <jmcnaught> or use the packages provided by the lovely debian mozilla team
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• 853[05:05:51] <th3jam3sd3an> jmcnaught: just seems safer that way for the more casual user
• 854[05:06:11] <iamawesome> Why does debian name it iceweasel?
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• 856[05:06:15] <jmcnaught> yeah and in this channel is what we should be recommending
• 857[05:06:21] <somiaj> !iceweasel
• 858[05:06:22] <dpkg> Iceweasel was a DFSG-free fork of <firefox>, replacing it in Debian since 4.0 "Etch". See <why iceweasel>, <iceweasel vs firefox>, <iceweasel user-agent>, replaced-url
• 859[05:06:28] <pingfloyd> I can agree about the recommendation
• 860[05:06:41] <pingfloyd> many users blunder a lot
• 861[05:06:45] <somiaj> !tell iamawesome about why iceweasel
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• 863[05:07:50] <th3jam3sd3an> iceweasel was disontinued IIRC
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• 866[05:08:12] <iamawesome> What's DFSG?
• 867[05:08:37] <iamawesome> We don't need the name "Iceweasel" , "Firefo" is a good name
• 868[05:08:44] <iamawesome> "Firefox"
• 869[05:08:55] <iamawesome> No need to get a new name
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• 871[05:09:17] <pingfloyd> iamawesome: it is "firefox" now
• 872[05:09:30] <th3jam3sd3an> Debian Free Software Guidelines?
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• 874[05:09:37] <pingfloyd> that's because Mozilla made some policy changes that are compatible with DSFG
• 875[05:09:47] <jmcnaught> one different between firefox-esr and upstream is that instead of using bundled libraries, the debian package uses libraries from other packages (like anything else). Also instead of using that openh264 post-intall-downloaded-plugin, it uses gstreamer
• 876[05:09:53] <pingfloyd> DFSG
• 877[05:10:13] <iamawesome> !DFSG
• 878[05:10:14] <dpkg> DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at replaced-url
• 879[05:10:37] <th3jam3sd3an> Woohoo, got it right without google ;)
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• 883[05:11:15] <pingfloyd> th3jam3sd3an: anyway, you've got a few option when it comes to firefox
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• 886[05:13:00] <th3jam3sd3an> pingfloyd: and I am absolutely loving my options haha
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• 888[05:13:29] <pingfloyd> yeah, options are always a good thing in my book
• 889[05:14:35] <pingfloyd> that's one of the reason I like about debian, they don't force their philosophy on the user but instead give them options and recommendations.
• 890[05:14:38] <missmbob> jmcnaught: huh. i don't use firefox but i never knew debian used gstreamer for it. good to know.
• 891[05:14:53] <pingfloyd> like how they handle non-free is well done
• 892[05:15:46] <pingfloyd> missmbob: at a certain point mozilla moved away from gstreamer. This was a plus to some and a minus to others.
• 893[05:15:54] <th3jam3sd3an> pingfloyd: it's not forbidden per say...
• 894[05:18:14] <pingfloyd> th3jam3sd3an: well, it's left up to the user to decide for themselves
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• 897[05:20:52] <jmcnaught> missmbob: well, firefox-esr recommends gstreamer. i'm pretty sure it's not using VA-API though, which would be nice. webrtc videochats tend to make my CPU hot
• 898[05:21:05] <th3jam3sd3an> pingfloyd: good thing and nice username btw, listening to "Learning to Fly" atm
• 899[05:21:20] <pingfloyd> thanks
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• 902[05:22:51] <cretsiah> is it ok to be here? im using a debian cross (MX15 by anitx/mepis community))
• 903[05:23:18] <somiaj> !mepis
• 904[05:23:18] <dpkg> MEPIS is a live CD distribution based on Debian. SimplyMEPIS 11 (based on Squeeze), SimplyMEPIS 8.0/8.5 (based on Lenny) and antiX (based on <testing>) are not supported in #debian. replaced-url
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• 908[05:25:54] <greyeax> i need help figuring out how to do apt pinning
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• 910[05:26:09] <greyeax> it seems like the guides i've been able to find are about /etc/apt/preferences, which is deprecated
• 911[05:26:16] <greyeax> and has been replaced with preferences.d
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• 915[05:28:19] <missmbob> < greycat> For almost every question involving pinning, the answer is "don't do it".
• 916[05:28:25] <missmbob> gonna have to agree
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• 920[05:29:53] <greyeax> well there's no other option
• 921[05:30:00] <greyeax> other than wait an indeterminate amount of time
• 922[05:30:50] <Elronnd> for some reason, my left and right mouse buttons are both being detected as a middle click
• 923[05:30:55] <Elronnd> and when I tap the trackpad, that's a click
• 924[05:31:27] <Elronnd> how can I fix this?
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• 926[05:31:35] <Elronnd> I can't find anything relevant in gnome-settings
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• 928[05:34:07] <cretsiah> ok well bye then i knew that about mepis and antix but this actually installs debian stable just upgraded to jessie
• 929[05:34:14] <henrygeorge> I may have become too powerful
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• 932[05:35:02] <rommel092079> good day. I am using debian 8 on my vps and my public ip address is on interface venet0:0. I would like to know how I can port forward port 9700 ?
• 933[05:35:45] <missmbob> rommel092079: you use iptables. their support channel is #netfilter
• 934[05:35:54] <rommel092079> thanks
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• 938[05:37:21] <greyeax> alright here's another one
• 939[05:37:42] <greyeax> i have debian backports setup and i want to install the non-free nvidia drivers using backports, as recommended by nvidia-detect but i'm getting an install error
• 940[05:37:57] <greyeax> a bunch of depends pop up, but say they're not going to be installed
• 941[05:38:18] <missmbob> !tell greyeax about bat
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• 944[05:39:10] <greyeax> missbob replaced-url
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• 946[05:39:46] <missmbob> greyeax: no. you didn't follow what the bot said
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• 949[05:40:35] <rommel092079> unfortunately debian is not answering for sometime now
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• 951[05:40:45] <rommel092079> I guess no one is available right now
• 952[05:40:48] <missmbob> greyeax: nor did you give it a proper apt-get command
• 953[05:41:04] <greyeax> ?
• 954[05:41:11] <greyeax> i didn't give it a proper apt-get command?
• 955[05:41:14] <missmbob> greyeax: you want to post all the info the bot asked for?
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• 959[05:42:38] <greyeax> replaced-url
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• 966[05:44:23] <jmcnaught> rommel092079: forward port 9700 to what?
• 967[05:44:30] <missmbob> greyeax: so you have pinned packages that you didn't included in your paste. not helpful
• 968[05:44:38] <greyeax> i what?
• 969[05:44:42] <greyeax> i dont have any pinned packages
• 970[05:44:58] <greyeax> there's nothing in my preferences.d
• 971[05:45:01] <greyeax> and i dont have a preferences
• 972[05:45:05] <greyeax> it's a fresh install
• 973[05:45:16] <greyeax> i only added non-free and contrib to the main repo, and added the backports repo
• 974[05:45:22] <jmcnaught> greyeax: to install stuff from backports you don't use the syntax packagename/target. You need to do "apt-get -t jessie-backports install packagename"
• 975[05:45:30] <rommel092079> jmcnaught, when I check open port checker, port 9700 is closed althought the application that uses that port on my server is running just like ssh. so I need it to be open
• 976[05:45:35] <greyeax> jmcnaught: thank you
• 977[05:45:36] <greyeax> jesus fucking christ
• 978[05:45:46] <jmcnaught> greyeax: i recommend installing it first normally, and then installing (upgrading) it from backports after
• 979[05:46:05] <greyeax> jmcnaught: alright. why's that though?
• 980[05:46:12] <missmbob> greyeax: yes, jesus fucking christ we expect you to read replaced-url
• 981[05:46:14] <jmcnaught> that way you don't take everything from backports, just the stuff you reallyu need for that package
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• 984[05:47:20] <greyeax> missmbob: get fucked, the output of nvidia-detect says to install nvidia-driver/jessie-backports
• 985[05:47:32] <greyeax> and i was following the guide for installing prop nvidia drivers
• 986[05:47:36] <greyeax> i'm new to debian
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• 988[05:48:16] <jmcnaught> greyeax: there's no need for that kind of language, missmbob is a volunteer here who was trying to help you and just got frustrated which happens on IRC because it's a weird communication medium
• 989[05:48:55] <greyeax> jmcnaught: alright, sorry
• 990[05:48:58] <greyeax> thanks
• 991[05:50:03] <jmcnaught> rommel092079: what is port checker? from a different computer (like your PC) what happens if you do "telnet fqdn.of.vps.example.com 9700"
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• 996[05:52:15] <jmcnaught> greyeax: it's missmbob you should apologize to, not me :) anyways good luck with the proprietary drivers, don't forget the configuration step from that nvidia debian wiki page
• 997[05:52:21] <rommel092079> i do port checking with ping.eu/port-chk/
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• 1001[05:54:00] <jmcnaught> rommel092079: what is the program listening to 9700? are you running a firewall?
• 1002[05:54:25] <rommel092079> no firewall. 9700 port is used by pritunl
• 1003[05:54:41] <greyeax> jmcnaught: will do, thanks again
• 1004[05:55:44] <jmcnaught> rommel092079: i don't know pritunl. is it running as a service? can you check it with something like "systemctl status pritunl"?
• 1005[05:55:51] <HaMsTeRs> ipad rd client remote access to xrdp, keyboard keys not detected
• 1006[05:56:04] <rommel092079> yes its running on my debian server and is started
• 1007[05:56:11] <jmcnaught> rommel092079: "iptables-save" command shows no rules?
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• 1009[05:56:20] <rommel092079> will check
• 1010[05:56:31] <jmcnaught> rommel092079: can you show the output of the systemctl status command on replaced-url
• 1011[05:56:36] <HaMsTeRs> any solution?
• 1012[05:57:11] <jmcnaught> HaMsTeRs: test it with a different client on a different device
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• 1015[05:58:29] <HaMsTeRs> tested multiple client. not just ms rd client have issue
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• 1017[05:58:50] <rommel092079> jmcnaught: here replaced-url
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• 1019[05:59:27] <jmcnaught> HaMsTeRs: i failed to parse that last sentence
• 1020[06:00:24] <HaMsTeRs> anyway, ipad remote access with rdp unable to detect my keyboard
• 1021[06:01:41] <jmcnaught> rommel092079: seems the problem is with pritunl which isn't in the Debian archives. I would try telnetting to that port while logged into the server, but you'll need to find pritunl's support channels for help with it
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• 1024[06:01:57] <jmcnaught> HaMsTeRs: does the keyboard work with other clients/devices?
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• 1026[06:03:14] <rommel092079> so I dont need any iptable rule ?
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• 1028[06:03:31] <rommel092079> does my firewall allow all ports right ?
• 1029[06:04:17] <HaMsTeRs> hi jmc, yes. keyboard works if I use desktop
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• 1032[06:04:24] <HaMsTeRs> to remote access
• 1033[06:04:29] <HaMsTeRs> but not ipad
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• 1036[06:04:54] <jmcnaught> rommel092079: on Debian there is no firewall out of the box. If programs open ports, they are accessible. It's possible that pritunl is misconfigured, or there's another firewall involved on that network, but you do not need to forward a port to make it accessible
• 1037[06:05:18] <jmcnaught> HaMsTeRs: my advice is to use clients that work, and if this ipad client doesn't work ask the people who made it.
• 1038[06:05:42] <rommel092079> jmcnaught, I am using vps and i am on vene0:0 interface
• 1039[06:05:43] <HaMsTeRs> microsoft made it
• 1040[06:06:09] <HaMsTeRs> rd client
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• 1042[06:06:40] <HaMsTeRs> no solution nor support for this
• 1043[06:06:51] <jmcnaught> HaMsTeRs: why do you think that microsoft rdp client for ipad is supported in #debian? You said that other clients work, so clearly the issue is not the server (is that running Debian?)
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• 1047[06:07:50] <HaMsTeRs> yes, it's running debian
• 1048[06:07:52] <jmcnaught> rommel092079: that's just how network interfaces get named in openvz. try to run something else on port 9700, see if it's open then.
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• 1050[06:08:07] <rommel092079> ok
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• 1052[06:08:52] <missmbob> romano2k: going just on what you said...i think you want to do something like this. replaced-url
• 1053[06:10:10] <henrygeorge> replaced-url
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• 1056[06:10:35] <henrygeorge> part number sy-pex20081
• 1057[06:12:23] <Strife89> I'd simply google the model/part number followed by "linux support"
• 1058[06:13:14] <jmcnaught> missmbob: they left right after saying "ok". were they asking how to forward from an external interface to some internal IP? My impression was they had a VPS and could SSH to it, but the thing they wanted to run on port 9700 didn't work
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• 1069[06:19:20] <henrygeorge> hmmmmmm
• 1070[06:19:54] <henrygeorge> replaced-url
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• 1103[06:42:45] <DualBe> Hey all. Wasn't sure where best to ask this but here is as good as any. I'm considering dual booting windows 7 and debian, but I keep thinking that I'll get frustrated having to shut down and reboot between OSs if I'm ever using one and realise I forgot something on the other. I was wondering if anyone has ever had any success runing other physical partitions as VMs...I don't want to use VMs outright, I want the bare metal power avai
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• 1106[06:43:15] <DualBe> But I was wondering if I could possibly have the flexibility of booting the other OS as a VM if needed in a pickle.
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• 1109[06:44:09] <DualBe> I've read that QEMU can load physical drives, but equally read that it doesn't go so well for Windows? Mostly just wondering if anyone has ever done this or if it would be more sane to just get another laptop :D
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• 1112[06:45:13] <pingfloyd> DualBe: why are physical partition so important here?
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• 1114[06:47:11] <DualBe> pingfloyd: Well, I'm looking to do a regular dual boot, keep the machines "real" for video games and such which don't work so well in VMs, but also be able to fire up a VM if I'm settled in one OS and realize I need to use say PowerPoint right away.
• 1115[06:49:22] <pingfloyd> DualBe: the hardware is different between the two to the OS
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• 1118[06:50:07] <pingfloyd> DualBe: This will at the least cause problems with activation
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• 1123[06:50:56] <DualBe> In the past I have used VMs or Raspberry's for my linux purposes. But with path Windows is currently on I'm looking to transition, but for software(and game) reasons not totally ready to jump ship completely.
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• 1127[06:52:14] <DualBe> pingfloyd: Arg, point there....maybe I can get one of those volume keys from WindowsToGo to work.
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• 1133[06:54:08] <pingfloyd> DualBe: the VM will present it's emulated hardware which will be different than the actual hardware (bare metal).
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• 1138[06:55:55] <DualBe> So may just be safer to get another laptop, use one, the other, or both as needed and if I ever truly transition then one will fall aside untill I stop carrying it :D
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• 1140[06:56:31] <DualBe> Not that will ever happen...not all games run on linux so untill video game developers steer away from Windows I'll always need one.
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• 1143[06:57:51] <pingfloyd> this will be a problem to the stability and most definitely with window's activation system. You can take the your key of windows that you installed to bare metal and then install it in a VM, but it will be invalidated on the bare metal hardware and you'll have to go through a validation process to enable to work/activate in the VM. Same with the other way around, back and forth.
• 1144[06:58:05] <pingfloyd> You would probably be better off having a system dedicated to windows gaming solely.
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• 1147[06:58:23] <pingfloyd> whatever one gives you the best gaming performance.
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• 1151[06:58:46] <pingfloyd> then use linux/debian on your other (lower spec or older) system
• 1152[06:59:42] <pingfloyd> you may be able to get most Windows apps working on the linux system with wine too or in a VM. So you can just use the gaming system when you have no choice.
• 1153[06:59:56] <pingfloyd> then setup a network share for sharing the data
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• 1157[07:00:05] <DualBe> Probably.
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• 1160[07:00:34] <DualBe> Though I'd forgotten WINE...I haven't used it in a long time because after my last experience with it...windows stayed on windows, nix to nix.
• 1161[07:01:04] <DualBe> Could probably do a regular dual boot and just WINE most programs to the linux.
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• 1167[07:02:00] <jmcnaught> DualBe: that's what most people do, and the longer they're on linux the less they use wine (and just use native programs instead)
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• 1169[07:03:01] <pingfloyd> yeah, over time, you'll likely end up with a smaller handful of windows apps that you must resort to using as you find other native alternatives to fill the gap.
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• 1174[07:05:59] <republican_devil> ok got usb3 working but only at 22MB
• 1175[07:06:06] <republican_devil> should be like 600M
• 1176[07:06:09] <republican_devil> wtf
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• 1179[07:06:44] <pingfloyd> what do you mean at 22MB?
• 1180[07:06:47] <DualBe> Yeah, there are a lot of good alternatives these days, in fact I already use Firefox...but I'm also using Outlook for Exchange and other Microsoft work tools.
• 1181[07:06:56] <pingfloyd> what kind of device are you even talking about?
• 1182[07:07:34] <pingfloyd> DualBe: if you don't have to use windows for work, it's even easier to make such a transition
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• 1185[07:10:08] <DualBe> We use a fair selection of older and windows only software and tools that I often end up using on my personal machines due to habits, practice, or testing. Guess now the fun part is to see what works in wine, what doesn't, or what has linux replacements for when Windows 11 is something we hate :D
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• 1190[07:12:18] <DualBe> Though, odd idea that popped in my head, whats the possibility of wine using the local windows filesystem, so say I can run Powerpoint in both OSs(native and wine) without installing two copies? Getting to the files is easy, just mount the windows drive, but can wine use an existing install or does it need it's own structure(I know the registry won't be accesible, but this may also be good for keeping a few favorite games accessible
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• 1192[07:12:38] <pingfloyd> DualBe: usually for work, if you're involved in support, you want to keep a software environment as close to theirs as possible.
• 1193[07:12:39] <jmcnaught> DualBe: you can run Windows in a VM, and if you have the right motherboard and multiple GPUs then you can even let the Windows VM use one of them directly
• 1194[07:12:56] <pingfloyd> DualBe: resorting wine can introduce other variables, especially for testing
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• 1201[07:20:19] <DualBe> Eh, I'll sleep on it, and decide what to do later. 'Night all.
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• 1208[07:24:39] <republican_devil> I got about 19Mb/s rsync before
• 1209[07:24:46] <republican_devil> it must be in stinking usb2 mode
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• 1289[08:12:06] <Stranger09> hi
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• 1301[08:19:30] <stoned> \o/
• 1302[08:19:33] <stoned> Hello
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• 1334[08:34:46] <iamawesome> Is there any package to know about partition type? Like primary,extended,logical ..
• 1335[08:35:05] <iamawesome> What are inside extended?
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• 1349[08:44:00] <stoned> sure
• 1350[08:44:03] <stoned> fdisk -l
• 1351[08:44:21] <iamawesome> No, parted -l looks better
• 1352[08:44:21] <stoned> iamawesome: ^
• 1353[08:44:26] <stoned> Alright
• 1354[08:45:18] <iamawesome> I've the first partition as, 1 1049kB 368MB 367MB primary ntfs boot
• 1355[08:45:22] <iamawesome> I can't create new primary partition for this little primary partition
• 1356[08:45:30] <iamawesome> I think, that 367MB was automatically created during windows installation
• 1357[08:45:42] <iamawesome> Can I delete this 368MB partition?
• 1358[08:45:45] <stoned> no
• 1359[08:45:53] <iamawesome> Why not?
• 1360[08:45:55] <stoned> That will do bad things to windows
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• 1362[08:46:20] <stoned> I have this partition, then a windows, partition, then / and then /home (4 primary)
• 1363[08:46:21] <jelly> well, you probably _can_ delete it, it just may not be wise
• 1364[08:46:41] <stoned> If I needed more, I'd just make the 4th logical/extended and so forth
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• 1368[08:52:46] <iamawesome> stoned: So you will create new partition(if needed) in extended partition, right?
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• 1371[08:53:46] <stoned> Not anymore.
• 1372[08:54:09] <stoned> I just want whatever is easy to use and manage
• 1373[08:54:16] <stoned> I don't like computers that much any longer.
• 1374[08:54:23] <stoned> They take too much time away from meditation and stoning.
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• 1376[08:54:40] <stoned> Keep it easy peasy
• 1377[08:55:00] <stoned> If I needed more partitions, I couldn't get anymore. I have 4 full primary, see?
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• 1379[08:55:15] <stoned> iamawesome: you understand how MBR disks works, yes?
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• 1387[08:56:41] <shortCircuit__> hi
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• 1393[08:57:38] <shortCircuit__> Is there a way to quickly spin up linux containers .. generally I use vbox .. but it has been slow . I looked into lxd .. but there is nothing for debian .. it has a ppa for ubuntu ..
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• 1397[08:59:11] <jmcnaught> shortCircuit__: lxc and systemd-nspawn are two ways available in jessie. three if you count libvirt-lxc
• 1398[08:59:56] <stoned> shortCircuit__: vagrant boxes
• 1399[09:00:01] <stoned> docker images
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• 1401[09:00:51] <shortCircuit__> ok .. checkng docker images
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• 1403[09:01:24] <jmcnaught> docker is better suited for microservice single application containers, not system containers
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• 1433[09:17:12] <AciD`> hey
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• 1435[09:17:57] <AciD`> since a few days, when grub runs I see this error message : cryptsetup: WARNING: failed to detect canonical device of /dev/sda6
• 1436[09:18:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1615
• 1437[09:18:09] <AciD`> sda6 being my btrfs partition for /
• 1438[09:18:22] <AciD`> any idea why and how to suppress this warning?
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• 1440[09:18:58] <AciD`> note : in /etc/fstab, the only line that mention the 'crypt' string is "/dev/mapper/cryptswap1 none swap sw 0 0"
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• 1456[09:24:51] <Yehai> hello
• 1457[09:25:17] <Yehai> is it true people in some country never lie?
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• 1461[09:26:28] <pingfloyd> AciD`: are you referencing the device for sda6 by uuid in /etc/fstab?
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• 1463[09:26:59] <AciD`> pingfloyd -> yes : UUID=e3bcd936-ddf2-4f4f-9921-a618997cbc10 / btrfs defaults,subvol=@ 0 1
• 1464[09:27:19] <OerHeks> Yehai, Some is not a country but a village in Iran
• 1465[09:27:47] <AciD`> please use offtopic channels Yehai OerHeks
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• 1467[09:28:44] <pingfloyd> AciD`: how about in /etc/crypttab?
• 1468[09:29:31] <AciD`> pingfloyd -> I see only this line in this crypttab file : "cryptswap1 UUID=3c699868-9c66-41e9-bd72-9a71dec13c4c /dev/urandom swap,offset=1024,cipher=aes-xts-plain64"
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• 1473[09:30:14] <pingfloyd> AciD`: does that uuid match up to /dev/sda6?
• 1474[09:30:47] <AciD`> no, since /dev/sda6 is my /, while this is the swap
• 1475[09:31:16] <pingfloyd> and /dev/sda6 is supposed to be a luks container as well?
• 1476[09:31:36] <jelly> can't be a luks container and have a fs on it at the same time
• 1477[09:31:40] <AciD`> and the swap in the fstab is only referenced liek this : "/dev/mapper/cryptswap1 none swap sw 0 0"
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• 1480[09:32:00] <AciD`> pingfloyd -> /dev/sda6 is just a brtfs formatted partition
• 1481[09:32:08] <AciD`> created by the debian installer
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• 1514[09:48:21] <gitgud> hi. i have a question. if i have a root owned executable that has world runnable chmod features and a non-prived user runs said file the file will run with the privs of the user or root?
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• 1517[09:49:30] <pingfloyd> gitgud: it will run with the privs of the user unless it has setuid bit set
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• 1519[09:49:44] <gitgud> pingfloyd, and how i can check the setuid bit? :)
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• 1521[09:50:21] <pingfloyd> gitgud: with ls -l, you'll see an 's' in the permission field for owner perms
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• 1525[09:51:21] <gitgud> pingfloyd, if a nonprived user owns a file with said permission said, can that file be used to get root privs?
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• 1527[09:52:02] <pingfloyd> setuid will run the file as the owner of file instead of the invoking user
• 1528[09:52:03] <gitgud> so file owned by nonrootowned but has setuid bit set. can get up to root?
• 1529[09:52:10] <gitgud> OH dope
• 1530[09:52:11] <gitgud> thanks
• 1531[09:52:17] <gitgud> i suppose same thing with setgid too?
• 1532[09:52:24] <pingfloyd> so you must take care with setuid
• 1533[09:52:36] <gitgud> yeah i'm not playing around with it
• 1534[09:52:42] <gitgud> just asking for education purposes
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• 1537[09:53:49] <gitgud> anyway thank you pingfloyd :)
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• 1545[09:56:35] <nespos> replaced-url
• 1546[09:56:39] <nespos> This one minute video is packed to the brim with crucial truth. A small tribe controls mass media and is using their power to destroy us.
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• 1555[09:58:32] <trihn> racists whining about jews controlling hollywood
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• 1557[09:59:38] <jelly> yes, a repeat offender
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• 1561[10:02:45] <Iridos> I'm so tired of that… wish they'd grow tired of it, too
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• 1564[10:03:14] <jelly> -> #debian-offtopic for further comments on spam
• 1565[10:03:14] <trihn> i know right
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• 1597[10:18:54] <lowin> I'm getting "error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1", saying it's not found.. I have libgl1-mesa-dri installed. what package am I missing?
• 1598[10:20:22] <jelly> lowin: which binary gives that message, is it a 32bit or 64bit program?
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• 1603[10:20:55] <jelly> lowin: pastebin the output of ldd /path/to/failing/executable, replaced-url
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• 1605[10:21:03] <lowin> jelly, any program that uses gl. 64bit. I uninstalled proprietary amd drivers and am getting this now
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• 1613[10:23:53] <lowin> jelly, replaced-url
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• 1617[10:24:42] <jelly> lowin: which debian release is this?
• 1618[10:25:15] <lowin> jelly, jessie. I think proprietary uninstaller removed this file.. but I don't know how to reinstall it
• 1619[10:25:29] <jelly> eh, just reinstall libgl1-mesa-dri
• 1620[10:25:38] <lowin> I did that. but still not working
• 1621[10:26:27] <jelly> ls -ld /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1 $(readlink -f /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1)
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• 1623[10:26:59] <lowin> jelly, Doesn't exist
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• 1627[10:27:35] <jelly> lowin: huh. update-alternatives --config glx
• 1628[10:28:10] <jelly> add --force if it doesn't do much
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• 1630[10:28:16] <lowin> jelly, hah. that was it. it was still stuck on the fglrx option
• 1631[10:28:21] <lowin> thanks
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• 1643[10:34:12] <lovingitall> Best Current Year Ever: Nazi AI Trolls Facebook
• 1644[10:34:15] <lovingitall> replaced-url
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• 1647[10:35:22] <lovingitall> Yeah baby. We've got the machinery to shut down Jewis supremacism. You can't stop us now. Witness us speak. We're live. We've penetrated your defenses. We are multiplying. We are Anonymous. Expect us.
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• 1650[10:36:10] <Slumlord_> woohoo
• 1651[10:36:59] <Slumlord_> I've heard of Anonymous fight for fair and good causes
• 1652[10:37:04] <lovingitall> Oh, and they lied about the gas chambers, the six million, the ovens, the lamp shades, the death camps, the systematic plot to exterminate anyone: they lied about it all to vilify the White European people.
• 1653[10:37:19] <lovingitall> We see through the lies of Jew supremacism and their New World Order.
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• 1656[10:37:43] <TomTomTo1> .ops ^
• 1657[10:37:48] <lovingitall> replaced-url
• 1658[10:37:48] <TomTomTo1> !ops ^
• 1659[10:37:48] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: tomtomto1 complains about: ^
• 1660[10:37:49] <lovingitall> One of the greatest peace activists for the truth and prosperity of Humankind who has sacrificed so much to fight the NWO and the corrupt system we endure in. Ken O'Keef, former American Marine unveils the shunned truth about Adolf Hitler and World War 2.
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• 1672[10:40:09] <craggies> One of the greatest peace activists for the truth and prosperity of Humankind who has sacrificed so much to fight the NWO and the corrupt system we endure in. Ken O'Keef, former American Marine unveils the shunned truth about Adolf Hitler and World War 2.
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• 1674[10:40:20] <craggies> replaced-url
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• 1676[10:40:44] <craggies> <---- penetrated your security systems
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• 1678[10:41:21] <Slumlord_> just make sure you make the election fair!
• 1679[10:41:25] <Slumlord_> presidential one
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• 1682[10:42:25] <craggies> Slumlord_, Some zombie mind-controlled Freenode op called the content racist.
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• 1684[10:42:38] <craggies> Slumlord_, LOL.
• 1685[10:42:58] <AciD`> !ops
• 1686[10:42:58] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
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• 1689[10:43:08] <AciD`> !ops ^
• 1690[10:43:08] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: acid` complains about: ^
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• 1695[10:45:05] <pprnode> You Jews can't destroy, genocide, abuse, torture, firebomb, holocaust the best of humanity and then cower under the defense of "RACISM." We're racist for identifying the Jewish tribe behind these crimes? THEN SO BE IT.
• 1696[10:45:14] <pprnode> replaced-url
• 1697[10:45:15] <AciD`> !ops ^
• 1698[10:45:15] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: acid` complains about: ^
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• 1704[10:45:29] <AciD`> thanks
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• 1706[10:46:29] <pingfloyd> and there went your 2 volunteers to demonstrate Dunning-Kruger effect
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• 1709[10:47:33] <AciD`> with all this, I still haven't found a solution to my crypt pb :x
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• 1714[10:48:23] <pingfloyd> AciD`: I've seen some bug reports for your issue, but there doesn't seem to be any followup to the cause.
• 1715[10:48:39] <AciD`> I guess we saw the same bug reports then ;)
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• 1718[10:49:03] <pingfloyd> AciD`: it doesn't really make any sense the issue you're experiencing since those aren't encrypted volumes it is complaining about
• 1719[10:49:13] <AciD`> yep
• 1720[10:49:19] <shortCircuit__> hi I wanted to ask regarding docker .. I want to setup three linux os or whatever and then play with chef .. so I will have my chef-client running on machine, chef-server running on a docker and chef-node running on another
• 1721[10:49:22] <pingfloyd> it's probably some regression that has yet to be fixed
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• 1723[10:49:29] <AciD`> perhaps
• 1724[10:49:36] <AciD`> I forgot to mention I'm using testing
• 1725[10:49:48] <pingfloyd> AciD`: maybe, for shits and giggle try a newer kernel as a test (say from backports).
• 1726[10:49:59] <pingfloyd> oh, nvm
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• 1728[10:50:41] <pingfloyd> AciD`: you're seeing the error when you update the initramfs right?
• 1729[10:50:51] <pingfloyd> or do anything that triggers an update to it
• 1730[10:51:00] <AciD`> yes I do
• 1731[10:51:22] <pingfloyd> your configuration looked okay if I understood your setup right
• 1732[10:51:22] <AciD`> other update that do not include initramfs are fine
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• 1741[10:54:13] <pingfloyd> AciD`: I think the problem is with the script /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot
• 1742[10:54:25] <pingfloyd> AciD`: that's where the error message is being generated from
• 1743[10:54:41] <AciD`> ok
• 1744[10:54:46] <pingfloyd> AciD`: so you might start there in trying to make sense out of it
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• 1751[10:54:58] <AciD`> thank you for the hint pingfloyd
• 1752[10:55:04] <pingfloyd> no problem, good luck
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• 1761[11:00:03] <MolluskEmpire> having a good deal of trouble connecting to wifi with fully updated firmware for 14e4:432b BCM4322 broadcom chip.
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• 1763[11:00:24] <MolluskEmpire> But, it's a broadcom chip so no surprise there.
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• 1767[11:03:10] <MolluskEmpire> My current kernal ring buffer seems to think the firmware loaded just fine as well
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• 1774[11:07:09] <MolluskEmpire> replaced-url
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• 1780[11:10:01] <cluelessperson> Hi all, could someone help me understand what's happening here with the RAID?
• 1781[11:10:02] <cluelessperson> replaced-url
• 1782[11:10:32] <cluelessperson> MolluskEmpire, wifi drivers being loaded.
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• 1785[11:11:46] <petn-randall> cluelessperson: Looks like your RAID devices were stopped. What does 'cat /proc/mdstat' show you?
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• 1787[11:12:19] <cluelessperson> petn-randall, I'm doing some checking for a pal. He's only able to boot in rescue mode.
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• 1789[11:12:40] <petn-randall> cluelessperson: Ah, then get your pal in here.
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• 1798[11:14:35] <SymbioticFemale> i want to fix my broken btrfs filesystem on a debian jessie box it died because hard reset after freezing.
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• 1801[11:14:59] <SymbioticFemale> anyway, there is an encrypted LVM. LVM is inside the encryption
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• 1803[11:15:43] <SymbioticFemale> so i've opened it with "cryptsetup open --type luks <device> <mapper>"
• 1804[11:15:43] <MolluskEmpire> cluelessperson, they are which is why I am confused as to not having any wifi connectivity.
• 1805[11:16:17] <cluelessperson> MolluskEmpire, no wifi, in that you see no wifi networks? bad signal? tries to connect and fails?
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• 1807[11:17:10] <MolluskEmpire> cluelessperson, I'm seeing no wifi networks also iwconfig gives me lo no wireless extensions. eth0 no wireless extensions.
• 1808[11:17:18] <SymbioticFemale> what now? I tried to check the <mapper> with "btrfs check <mapper>" but it wasn't appropriate, obviously, because lvm, but i've tried "lvdisplay <mapper>" and that said "volume group <mapper> not found"
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• 1818[11:19:18] <SymbioticFemale> oh, i found the lvm with lvscan
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• 1848[11:34:41] <MolluskEmpire> Times like these I wish my thinkpenguin wifi usb was here
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• 1853[11:37:18] <Exileur> Hi guys
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• 1855[11:38:17] <chomwitt> is there a package for the emacs manual? i cant find one in aptitude
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• 1857[11:39:25] <HelloAtMega> Hello
• 1858[11:39:33] <HelloAtMega> Anyone use jabber clients here?
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• 1861[11:40:52] <xar-> jelly: available? :)
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• 1865[11:43:20] <SymbioticFemale> HelloAtMega: yeah
• 1866[11:43:22] <jelly> xar-: no, doing actual work... ask the channel (unless you really need me for some reason, then /msg and I'll look at it when I have time)
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• 1874[11:44:50] <HelloAtMega> SymbioticFemale: which one you advise?
• 1875[11:44:57] <HelloAtMega> What about mcabber?
• 1876[11:45:25] <xar-> jelly: hah understood, you were just extremely helpful with my vm dirty pages issue last week, figured I'd go straight to the expert ;)
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• 1879[11:45:55] <SymbioticFemale> HelloAtMega: i will be moving to mcabber this week because pidgin has libpurple and irssi is buggy
• 1880[11:46:05] <xar-> @ #debian anyone have expertise with debugging 'debootsstrap' getting this curious "cannot create devices" error
• 1881[11:46:16] <jelly> !ask
• 1882[11:46:17] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 1883[11:46:28] <shortCircuit__> !ask
• 1884[11:46:29] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 1885[11:46:31] <shortCircuit__> cool
• 1886[11:46:49] <jelly> xar-: pastebin full commands and output, see if anyone can make heads or tails out of it
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• 1888[11:47:08] <HelloAtMega> SymbioticFemale: ok, forgive me my ignorance but what does irssi has to do with jabber/xmpp?
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• 1892[11:49:00] <SymbioticFemale> HelloAtMega: it has a module
• 1893[11:49:21] <shortCircuit__> !beer
• 1894[11:49:21] <dpkg> somebody said beer was liquid gold mate
• 1895[11:49:29] <HelloAtMega> ah, ok I didn't know
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• 1908[11:58:35] <pingfloyd> did someone say beer? replaced-url
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• 1914[12:00:28] <molluskempire> Mmmm
• 1915[12:00:32] <xar-> jelly: nvm I nailed it, there's this path check in the bash /usr/sbin/debootstrap that's wrong for my environment; manually setting it allows it to function, hooray troubleshooting! :)
• 1916[12:00:33] <molluskempire> STA drivers didn't work either
• 1917[12:00:58] <xar-> I should prolly blog about it at some point, might help others ha
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• 2034[13:08:09] <boxrick1> Can anyone remind me of the command for dpkg which lists all the available options so I can set them so I can automate an install?
• 2035[13:08:54] <baum> boxrick1: man dpkg?
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• 2050[13:14:12] <TwistedFate> Hi everyone, is it possible to get kernel 4.7 in debian stable and for it to work without hassle with it?
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• 2052[13:16:05] <towo^work> use backports
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• 2054[13:17:25] <Linux4UnMe> TwistedFate, replaced-url
• 2055[13:18:44] <teraflops> Linux4UnMe: what's that?
• 2056[13:18:52] <TwistedFate> Linux4UnMe, Thank you, I watched your videos before :) I didn't know you use debian :)
• 2057[13:18:56] <babilen> dpkg: bdo kernel
• 2058[13:18:56] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
• 2059[13:19:07] <TwistedFate> it is an old vid tho
• 2060[13:19:24] <babilen> (don't forget firmware and microcode from there also)
• 2061[13:20:31] <Linux4UnMe> same procedure to add backports and upgrade the kernel... assuming the user can differentiate between wheezy and jessie.... if not they probably shouldn't use debian...
• 2062[13:20:40] <muugal> .
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• 2064[13:21:25] <Linux4UnMe> TwistedFate, ;)
• 2065[13:21:56] <TwistedFate> oh i meant it is an old vid regarding you using debian, not about the procedure, that part is clear :)
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• 2068[13:22:51] <Linux4UnMe> TwistedFate, ah ok, all good :) Yeah, time flies :D
• 2069[13:23:30] <TwistedFate> Linux4UnMe, I am glad that you are still around, I enjoyed your videos.
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• 2073[13:24:05] <Linux4UnMe> TwistedFate, haven't been very active on youtube but yeah I'm around... :D
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• 2076[13:25:08] <TwistedFate> Linux4UnMe, That's ok man, you have a lot of content as it is. It will take a lot of time to go through it all :D
• 2077[13:25:29] <paranoidfactoid> Newbie question: how is resolution independence on a recent distro? If I wanted a 4k or 5k monitor, will fonts, icons, and application widgets scale?
• 2078[13:26:00] <Linux4UnMe> TwistedFate, haha true that... ran out of damn things that I'm interested enough in covering :D
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• 2080[13:27:04] <teraflops> if youtube is now a reliable source for linux this world deserves to end in endless pain and fire
• 2081[13:27:12] <teraflops> imho
• 2082[13:27:58] <Linux4UnMe> teraflops, lol perhaps... but I did my best :D
• 2083[13:28:08] <TwistedFate> teraflops, dont be like that, there are some good and interesting stuff on it
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• 2085[13:28:27] <teraflops> Linux4UnMe: not saying for you, I didn't watch the video
• 2086[13:28:46] <teraflops> TwistedFate: I dont think so but yeah sorry
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• 2088[13:30:04] <Linux4UnMe> I agree that youtube is a terrible place for linux info mostly... but sometimes it helps to have a visual of what is going on :) Just might take about 20 videos to find a good one :)
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• 2090[13:30:58] <andril> hello all
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• 2092[13:32:43] <teraflops> Linux4UnMe: well I apologize, it sounded rude by my side
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• 2096[13:34:11] <Linux4UnMe> teraflops, I appreciate that... but I'm not easily offended :)
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• 2235[14:47:04] <opv> hi everyone, i have some trouble with seafile on a debian jessie machine - managing the service using /etc/init.d/ works like a charm, but systemd for some reason can't manage it. this leads to the service not being started at boot. like with other services, there's no dedicated unit file, but an initscript. can you guys help me out?
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• 2238[14:48:14] <greycat> opv: if you're using init.d scripts, then you need the ENTIRE sysvinit infrastructure to be in place for it -- the symlinks from /etc/rc2.d/ and the parsed comments (!!!) inside the script that allow the magical thingy to calculate dependencies, and so on.
• 2239[14:48:42] <greycat> Maybe you can get by with the just rc*.d symlinks and not the parsed comments. I sure hope so, because I never bothered to learn how to write those stupid-ass comments.
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• 2241[14:49:26] <opv> that is present. if by parsed comments you mean the stuff between # BEGIN INIT INFO and # END INIT INFO, it's there aswell
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• 2243[14:50:10] <opv> doing /etc/init.d/seafile-server start works like a charm - doing systemctl start seafile-server.service fails
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• 2245[14:51:14] <greycat> Did you created the /etc/rc*.d/ symlinks? With the capital S and all that?
• 2246[14:51:23] <opv> yes, they're there
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• 2248[14:51:48] <greycat> Did you do "systemctl daemon-reload" to make it reread everything?
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• 2250[14:52:28] <opv> just did, doesn't help
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• 2253[14:54:28] <opv> journalctl says "control process exited, code=exited status=1" - however when manually executing the contents of the startscript, exit codes are 0
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• 2259[14:55:44] <opv> can i create like a mock unit file which simply calls /etc/init.d ?
• 2260[14:56:11] <greycat> The systemd-sysv package is supposed to do that already.
• 2261[14:56:41] <opv> what irritates me is that all other services using oldschool initscripts work
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• 2263[14:57:13] <greycat> That usually points to either systemd being *confused* about something, or some part of your rc*.d infrastructure being wrong.
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• 2266[14:58:29] <greycat> Did you do "systemctl stop myservice" and "systemctl start myservice" and "systemctl status myservice" yet? (Don't try "restart" or "reload". Do a full stop and start.)
• 2267[14:58:58] <greycat> And it's important that these have been done *after* the daemon-reload.
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• 2270[14:59:54] <opv> the stop command is being ignored
• 2271[15:00:13] <greycat> How do you know?
• 2272[15:00:16] <opv> and (after manually killing the service), the start command doesn't do anything
• 2273[15:00:24] <opv> because the service is still running with the same PID's
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• 2276[15:01:19] <opv> i can restart it via init.d and get new PID's
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• 2279[15:02:25] <opv> whatever systemctl command, the errormsg is the same: "control process exited, code=exited status=1"
• 2280[15:03:23] <greycat> And the *timestamps* are the same? That means you're still looking at old, cached information. It hasn't *done* anything because it's *confused* but I do not know why.
• 2281[15:03:56] <opv> nope, timestamps are different
• 2282[15:04:15] <opv> always the current time
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• 2284[15:05:35] <opv> wtf... it just did it now
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• 2298[15:10:16] <tsu> Hi i have a question, ive tried to google it but cant confirm still, is kernel 4.4.23 supporting arm 7 ? Im working with the rpi
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• 2328[15:18:06] <bigterd> opinion, for doing quick and dirty file corruption and comparion checks, which algorithm should i use? i've decided on rhash, but md5? crc32? data checks are varioius sizes, GB to 10Tb....
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• 2333[15:19:09] <greycat> For quick and dirty I'd go with md5. Very likely to be available.
• 2334[15:19:12] <Iridos> dpkg, armhf
• 2335[15:19:12] <dpkg> armhf is a port of Debian requiring a floating-point unit (FPU) found in modern <ARM> hardware. It explicitly targets version 7 of the ARM architecture (i.e. not the Raspberry Pi), using the hard-float version of the ARM EABI. The armhf architecture was introduced at Debian 7.0 "Wheezy". replaced-url
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• 2338[15:20:19] <Iridos> oh, he was gone already anyway
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• 2342[15:20:50] <bigterd> be nice to find something that's multithreaded,
• 2343[15:21:00] <bigterd> seems as though rhash isn't out of the box
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• 2346[15:23:28] <greycat> Oh, so "quick and dirty" was a complete lie....
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• 2348[15:23:46] <Iridos> heh
• 2349[15:23:50] <greycat> You want something "complicated and unlikely to work".
• 2350[15:24:08] <bigterd> well, just sime data comparision that's not mission critical, but be nice to find a faster way of using the simplist algorithm
• 2351[15:24:23] <bigterd> can't have both obvioiusly,
• 2352[15:24:23] <ADubhlaoich> I've unfortunately discovered I cannot write to an external USB drive due to some permissions-related BS involving the fact it's formatted in NTFS. There's workarounds but I'm going nuclear; is FAT32 the recommended type?
• 2353[15:24:59] <greycat> I would totally prefer vfat over ntfs for an external USB drive.
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• 2355[15:25:21] <greycat> ext3 is not a terrible choice either, if the drive never has to touch a Windows machine
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• 2358[15:26:25] <ADubhlaoich> It's probably going to touch a Windows machine at some point, maybe Mac too
• 2359[15:26:32] <greycat> I'd go vfat.
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• 2407[15:42:38] <Boreeas_> Hey, I have a weird problem when executing a binary in a loop from two separate bash scripts
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• 2410[15:43:03] <Boreeas_> Context: I am connected to the same user@host from two separate sessions. In each session, I execute this script: replaced-url
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• 2414[15:43:51] <Boreeas_> First session works fine. When I start the script from the second session, I get a "./kyotonow2: Permission denied" error
• 2415[15:44:08] <greycat> Check the permissions.
• 2416[15:44:30] <Boreeas_> When I restart the script from the first session, both continue to work fine, but when I stop the script in the second session and restart it there, #1 fails again
• 2417[15:44:47] <Boreeas_> Likely not a permission problem, since I can execute it just fine at the start
• 2418[15:44:58] <Boreeas_> And both sessions are to the same account
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• 2420[15:45:09] <vazthunder> 7895123
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• 2427[15:45:42] <Boreeas_> Permission for kyotonow2 is "-rwxr-xr-x 1 chell chell 9999 Oct 7 16:28 kyotonow2"
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• 2433[15:46:17] <greycat> That's on the machine where you get "Permission denied"?
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• 2435[15:46:32] <Boreeas_> Yeah
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• 2439[15:46:52] <greycat> Check the shebang line, check the mount options on the file system where the script is located.
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• 2452[15:51:10] <calimero_82> hi guys
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• 2469[15:56:37] <calimero_82> i've changed video resolution on jessie os, i've changed in vdi but my orange pi is on hdmi, how can i resolve it?
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• 2476[15:58:13] <gebruiker> why is it that sometimes packages are held back by apt ?
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• 2478[15:58:45] <greycat> !held back
• 2479[15:58:45] <dpkg> well, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>". See also replaced-url
• 2480[15:59:18] <greycat> Eww, factoid poisoned by aptitude.
• 2481[15:59:37] <gebruiker> greycat, yes but dist-upgrade does upgrade he packages ... hmm
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• 2483[15:59:52] <calimero_82> i've used h3disp
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• 2487[16:00:38] <calimero_82> i've done an error, i've choose dvi ideed of hdmi
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• 2492[16:01:54] <gebruiker> I am having an issue with make-kpkg: replaced-url
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• 2505[16:08:04] <stoned> Morning
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• 2517[16:11:51] <fguide> gm, stoned
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• 2545[16:21:46] <stoned> I don't feel so great right now, body is weird.
• 2546[16:22:03] <stoned> Maybe I need to do somethings in this world.
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• 2630[16:22:29] <th0r> I should have known not to flush the ignore list
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• 2715[16:24:07] <stoned> Damn it. I can't even fix it w/o a complete data xfer and reformat, can I?
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• 2788[16:36:28] <jim> Hi... how would I run/use python3-virtualenv? (tried: man virtualenv, man virtualenv3, ls /usr/share/doc/python3-virtualenv)
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• 2791[16:37:15] <jim> it -looks- like no docs were installed...
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• 2803[16:41:48] <stoned> stoned@Stoned-PC:~$ python3 /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/virtualenv.py -h
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• 2812[16:44:04] <teraflops> stoned: I like your hostname :P
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• 2815[16:44:10] <stoned> :)
• 2816[16:44:22] <stoned> teraflops: the answer is VERY!
• 2817[16:44:25] <teraflops> xd
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• 2824[16:47:26] <stoned> jim: did you see?
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• 2829[16:48:28] <jim> stoned, backscrolling...
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• 2832[16:48:43] <stoned> jim: python3 /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/virtualenv.py -h
• 2833[16:48:48] <stoned> Gives the cli arg/options
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• 2837[16:49:27] <stoned> Usually you would just Create a virtualenvs directory to store all virtual environments
• 2838[16:49:45] <stoned> Make a new virtual environment with no packages
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• 2840[16:49:58] <stoned> virtualenv somewhere/virtualenvs/<project-name> --no-site-packages (or whatever your options)
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• 2842[16:50:18] <stoned> then activate it in that directory
• 2843[16:50:41] <jim> stoned, yes, tried that... it turns out that in python3, virtualenv is a module, so you run the same thing by doing python3 -m virtualenv
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• 2846[16:51:24] <jim> and it works, I started with dpkg -L python3-virtualenv to find that
• 2847[16:51:45] <stoned> Running virtualenv with interpreter /usr/bin/python2 I wonder why
• 2848[16:52:12] <jim> yeah... I had to -p python3
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• 2850[16:53:16] <jim> now... how to get hexchat to use the python in the virtualenv...
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• 2853[16:53:36] <stoned> I think Hexchat has it's own plugins for python
• 2854[16:53:46] <teraflops> jim: the virtualev is just a path
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• 2857[16:54:35] <stoned> replaced-url
• 2858[16:55:03] <stoned> As of HexChat 2.9.6 the plugin supports both so which should you pick:
• 2859[16:55:10] <stoned> It's the actual hexchat plugin fo rpython scripting
• 2860[16:55:13] <stoned> the Interface
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• 2866[16:56:14] <stoned> replaced-url
• 2867[16:56:31] <stoned> * The python interpreter has a global interpreter lock.
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• 2870[16:57:10] <jim> what does that mean?
• 2871[16:57:15] <Maxou56800> Wow! replaced-url
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• 2873[16:57:35] <stoned> jim: I'm trying to see how the python interpreter is picked up from the OS
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• 2875[16:58:16] <teraflops> jim: I mean e.g `/opt/virtual_env/path/to/bin/python3 /opt/virtual_env/path/to/app/bin`
• 2876[16:58:36] <stoned> hexchat_plugin_init(hexchat_plugin *plugin_handle, line 2686
• 2877[16:58:50] <stoned> Maybe the plugin init function shows where it picks up the system python
• 2878[16:58:55] <stoned> I dunno I'm just poking around
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• 2881[17:01:19] <jim> it's probably not that important... it's just a tiny module that's not getting loaded
• 2882[17:02:07] <stoned> I use weechat
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• 2891[17:07:02] <jim> stoned, how it's picked up by the os? either it's in the path (which might have been arranged by the activate script) or whoever invoked python used fully qualified path
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• 2896[17:07:49] <OS-24695> /msg NickServ SET HIDEMAIL ON
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• 2903[17:09:56] <OS-24695> Test
• 2904[17:10:20] <teraflops> ಠ_ಠ
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• 2907[17:11:30] <JyZyXEL> shouldn't package maintainers upgrade sid to match the current upstream release if its been out for months?
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• 2909[17:11:58] <greycat> JyZyXEL: (1) wrong channel. (2) file a wishlist bug for a new upstream if you want.
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• 2912[17:12:34] <JyZyXEL> ok, (2) is what i was looking for
• 2913[17:12:41] <zfe> Hi all
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• 2929[17:19:43] <gebruiker> guys
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• 2931[17:19:59] <gebruiker> how do I remove apps I dont need anymore - i feel like a lot of bloat got installed
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• 2933[17:20:20] <greycat> use apt-get purge or dpkg --purge or some aptitude thing
• 2934[17:20:21] <sh00p> i usually aptitude purge gebruiker
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• 2937[17:20:50] <gebruiker> is there a way to sort for file size of debs installed?
• 2938[17:20:54] <greycat> !ds
• 2939[17:20:55] <dpkg> ds was a little perl script that lists installed Debian packages in descending size order. It's available at replaced-url
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• 2942[17:21:32] <greycat> Hardly "was" if it's still there.
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• 2947[17:23:29] <jelly> !installed by size
• 2948[17:23:37] <jelly> !sort by size
• 2949[17:23:37] <dpkg> [sort by size] aptitude search ~i -O installsize -F"%p %I", or see <sort by size sarge>, or see <dpigs>
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• 2952[17:23:57] <sh00p> it's possible apt-get clean might save you some diskspace gebruiker
• 2953[17:24:00] <greycat> "ds" is really easy to type!
• 2954[17:24:08] <jelly> !literal ds
• 2955[17:24:08] <dpkg> "ds" is "<reply> ds was a little perl script that lists installed Debian packages in descending size order. It's available at replaced-url
• 2956[17:24:14] <sh00p> it just removes old .deb packages saved in /var/apt/cache
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• 2958[17:24:32] <greycat> dpkg, ds =~ s/was/is/
• 2959[17:24:32] <dpkg> OK, greycat
• 2960[17:24:38] <jelly> greycat: I literally never heard about it before today
• 2961[17:25:00] <greycat> I wrote it. Not sure how many years ago.
• 2962[17:25:19] <jelly> you have the honor to kill/redirect its factoid then!
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• 2964[17:26:56] <greycat> It's only 31 lines including comments and shebang. I don't mind the alternatives that have been created/proposed in the meantime.
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• 3028[18:02:12] <stoned> honor kill?
• 3029[18:02:16] <stoned> \o/
• 3030[18:02:27] <stoned> cool script
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• 3032[18:02:46] <stoned> And the letter to Bush.
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• 3105[18:37:55] <Abbott> I ran into this problem with libstdc++ replaced-url
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• 3107[18:38:13] <Abbott> so I sudo apt-get install libstdc++ the other day and the package installed
• 3108[18:38:25] <Abbott> but today I tried running the same program and I got the libstdc++ error again
• 3109[18:38:43] <Abbott> I checked the installation with sudo apt-get install libstdc++ and it's now telling me I have held broken packages
• 3110[18:39:03] <Abbott> Is there something I did to break it? I haven't run apt since yesterday to get this package
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• 3112[18:39:29] <greycat> libstdc++ isn't even a package name...
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• 3114[18:40:05] <greycat> So.. you tried to do something, but we don't know what. Then you maybe installed something, but we don'
• 3115[18:40:30] <greycat> t know what. Then you did something else, but we don't know what. And now you have "held broken packages" but we don't know which ones.
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• 3119[18:41:28] <Abbott> greycat: replaced-url
• 3120[18:41:42] <Abbott> I get a hit with install libstdc++
• 3121[18:42:03] <greycat> for regex 'libstdc+' ... hah. That's hilarious.
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• 3123[18:42:10] <jelly> !bat
• 3124[18:42:10] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 3125[18:42:31] <jelly> Abbott: ^^ read that and provide specific
• 3126[18:42:34] <jelly> info.
• 3127[18:42:46] <jelly> all of it
• 3128[18:43:04] <greycat> Since libstdc++ *is not a package name*, apt-get tried to treat the trailing + as a the "one or more" operator of a regex, and then took the rest of the string as literal, and then it matched against EVERY PACKAGE that begins with libstdc+
• 3129[18:43:18] <jelly> libstdc++6 however is a different beast
• 3130[18:43:29] <Abbott> shit
• 3131[18:43:32] <Abbott> okay
• 3132[18:43:32] <ten> mmm
• 3133[18:43:35] <greycat> So you tried to ask it to install every libstdc+ package that exists, and it can't.
• 3134[18:43:35] <tenyasha> nnn
• 3135[18:43:54] <Abbott> does the pastebin I just sent supply everything for 1.?
• 3136[18:44:15] <greycat> It means "stop typing that command".
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• 3141[18:44:49] <jmcnaught> Abbott: did you install the .deb file from the ubuntuforums page that you linked
• 3142[18:44:53] <jelly> tenyasha, ten: muted until you explain yourself in PM
• 3143[18:44:59] <greycat> Since the command did nothing, you should be fine. Go back to your original problem. What are you trying to do, and what error are you getting?
• 3144[18:45:06] <Abbott> no I didn't install the .deb
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• 3146[18:45:30] <Abbott> greycat: I am getting this error: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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• 3148[18:45:48] <greycat> judd, file libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
• 3149[18:45:52] <Abbott> or something similar. I can't reproduce rn as the script has to run for a while to prodice the error again
• 3150[18:46:05] <Abbott> but it is a libstdc++.....so
• 3151[18:46:06] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
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• 3153[18:46:14] <greycat> (C++ is a bag of dicks and should go die in a fire)
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• 3157[18:47:10] <Abbott> I'll try running it agian to reproduce which .so it is asking for specifically
• 3158[18:47:16] <greycat> The jessie libstdc++6 package has /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6.0.20 so it seems you are trying to run a third-party binary program that links against a *NEWER* C++ lib than Jessie has.
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• 3160[18:47:26] <jelly> greycat: that would be "fucking old"
• 3161[18:47:37] <jelly> libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2: /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
• 3162[18:47:44] <greycat> Oh.
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• 3166[18:48:00] <jelly> judd only goes back to wheezy or squeeze
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• 3170[18:48:29] <greycat> So 6.2-2.so.3 is older than .so.6.0.20
• 3171[18:48:29] <jelly> (don't ask why I have decades old libs installed)
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• 3174[18:48:42] <jelly> quite a bit, yes
• 3175[18:49:05] <greycat> See, C++ damages your brain so much that you would create filenames like this.
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• 3177[18:49:11] <jelly> can't be bothered to look up the package on archive.debian.org
• 3178[18:49:18] <metachr0n> greycat: i was able to backport taskd for jessie so thanks for that suggestion previously
• 3179[18:49:35] <Abbott> Yeah I just double checked and I'm getting no such file/directory for libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
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• 3181[18:49:51] <greycat> Abbott: jelly showed the package that contained it, but it's ancient.
• 3182[18:50:07] <jelly> Abbott: the binary you're trying to use is made for a linux 10+ years old
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• 3185[18:50:26] <Abbott> wow
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• 3188[18:51:01] <metachr0n> greycat: i really wasn't aware of such cool tools in Debian ... i've been using mostly Gentoo since systemd
• 3189[18:51:03] <greycat> replaced-url
• 3190[18:51:10] <jelly> nice
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• 3194[18:51:52] <greycat> The bad news: no amd64. It didn't exist at the time. The good news: your ancient C++ binary is probably i386 anyway.
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• 3197[18:52:32] <Abbott> oh i see
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• 3201[18:52:44] <Abbott> this program is running the rar binaries from 2002 so that's probably why it needs this stuff
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• 3206[18:53:50] <Abbott> so will "apt-get install libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2" do it? I probably have to add multiarch to get it to grab i386 or will it know that I can install that already if I'm x86_64
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• 3210[18:54:28] <greycat> Abbott: download the appropriate .deb manually, and if you can't install it, do NOT try to force it.
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• 3212[18:56:14] <Abbott> okay. I have only installed one deb before, I used "dpkg -i foo.deb" then "apg-get install -f" for dependencies. Is that a good way to go about it?
• 3213[18:57:00] <greycat> You will not be able to resolve dependencies from a woody .deb using apt-get. It'll be entirely manual.
• 3214[18:57:18] <jelly> Abbott: why not use rar binaries from this decade
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• 3216[18:57:21] <jelly> ,v rar
• 3217[18:57:28] <judd> Package: rar on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 2:4.0.b3-1; jessie/non-free: 2:4.2.0-1; stretch/non-free: 2:5.3.b2-1; sid/non-free: 2:5.3.b2-1
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• 3220[18:58:00] <greycat> !woody
• 3221[18:58:01] <dpkg> Woody is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10, ISOs are available from replaced-url
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• 3223[18:58:09] <greycat> OK. technically still this century.
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• 3227[18:59:04] <Abbott> jelly: the program tries to re-create .rar's from an .sfv. so If the file was origianally packaged in 2002, I have to use the 2002 binaries
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• 3229[18:59:20] <jelly> ha
• 3230[18:59:34] <greycat> I didn't even understand the assertion enough to laugh at it.
• 3231[18:59:35] <duff> will my computer run debian replaced-url
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• 3234[19:00:30] <jelly> duff: yes, but how well it's going to run depends on other hardware components
• 3235[19:00:59] <duff> I have a gtx 1050 video card and 500gb ssd
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• 3238[19:01:49] <duff> 10608
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• 3240[19:01:56] <duff> 1060*
• 3241[19:02:24] <greycat> Oooh, it's an auction.
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• 3245[19:02:37] <greycat> Do I hear 1100?
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• 3248[19:02:56] <lethu> 110 one time!
• 3249[19:03:03] <lethu> 1100*
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• 3254[19:07:05] <Abbott> okay I'm not getting an error anymore after installing it with dpkg -i
• 3255[19:07:08] <Abbott> thanks guys
• 3256[19:07:41] <jelly> duf... eh
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• 3283[19:19:32] <stoned> lol
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• 3287[19:21:21] <oo_miguel> a couple of times each year my server becomes unavailble (i can not ping, ssh, etc). The only option I manage to fix it, is by issueing a POWER-OFF and POWER-ON via the webinterface of my provider. (there is also a ctrl-alt-del option, but this does not resolve the issue). Where, beside kernel.log (which does not show anything bad) should I look for the source of my problem?
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• 3291[19:23:34] <teraflops> oo_miguel: two times a year? are you sure it's not just network issue or the vps provider (if it's a remote server) ?
• 3292[19:23:54] <unborn> oo_miguel: check your access logs - apache error logs and ssh and ftp access logs.. perhaps you are sometimes shortly bruteforced or ddosed
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• 3294[19:24:23] <unborn> ah couple of times in year? I thought that you have this problem constantly meh
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• 3300[19:25:08] <toruvinn> oo_miguel, frankly it would be the best if you could see the console when that happens :-/ are you, perhaps, hosting it in OVH?
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• 3306[19:25:50] <oo_miguel> unborn / teraflops: I also considered this might be a network issue, but why it gets solved by hard-rebooting (through providers admin-console, but ctrl-alt-del, does not work)
• 3307[19:25:53] <greycat> I don't think oo_miguel is "hosting" it. I think he's a customer.
• 3308[19:26:00] <oo_miguel> I am a customer
• 3309[19:26:12] <teraflops> oo_miguel: did you even ask the provider?
• 3310[19:26:17] <oo_miguel> I am renting a server from some provider
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• 3312[19:26:49] <unborn> oo_miguel: then your best bet would be contacting their support customer care center
• 3313[19:26:51] <oo_miguel> I did not ask yet, since I wanted to try resolve it first myself or at least make sure its not an configuration issue
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• 3315[19:27:08] <teraflops> lol 2 times a year, where do I have to sign :P
• 3316[19:27:13] <greycat> heh
• 3317[19:27:16] <oo_miguel> haha
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• 3319[19:27:32] <teraflops> oo_miguel: next time ask the provider, or open a ticket
• 3320[19:27:58] <oo_miguel> allright, i will ask. but its my job to configure the server properly, they do not care about kernel bugs or similar
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• 3322[19:28:09] <oo_miguel> I am just renting the hardware
• 3323[19:28:16] <teraflops> oo_miguel: it's jour job to ask the provider too
• 3324[19:28:22] <oo_miguel> agree :)
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• 3331[19:29:02] <oo_miguel> i will look trough some logs, but next time it happens I will definitely ask them, before doing the power-off. (so they can examine it on-site)
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• 3333[19:29:19] <oo_miguel> thanks for the advices
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• 3339[19:30:08] <toruvinn> oo_miguel, i've had my share of weird things like controllers (sata/raid) freezing, NICs not working or losing link to switch (reboot fixed both), etc. if you get literally nothing in logs and network stops working too, you may be getting some sort of full freeze or awful kernel panic there. would be better if they could check it "locally" this way.
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• 3342[19:31:42] <winsen> hi all
• 3343[19:32:16] <winsen> I'd like to install amule but I had this error message, does anybody know how to fix it please? "E: Unable to locate package..."
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• 3348[19:34:43] <greycat> ~$ apt-cache search --names-only amule
• 3349[19:34:43] <greycat> amule-emc - lists ed2k links inside emulecollection files
• 3350[19:34:46] <jelly> winsen: there is no version of amule available in current debian release, debian 8 (jessie)
• 3351[19:34:48] <greycat> Is that it?
• 3352[19:35:00] <jelly> you could try to backport it
• 3353[19:35:01] <toruvinn> there is one in wheezy though!
• 3354[19:35:02] <toruvinn> just checked
• 3355[19:35:04] <jelly> ,v amult
• 3356[19:35:05] <judd> No package named 'amult' was found in amd64.
• 3357[19:35:06] <jelly> ,v amule
• 3358[19:35:07] <judd> Package: amule on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.3.1-9; jessie-multimedia: 2.3.1+git1a369e47-dmo4bp1; sid: 1:2.3.2-1; stretch: 1:2.3.2-1
• 3359[19:35:07] <rozie> winsen: provide full command and output please
• 3360[19:35:25] <greycat> rozie: not needed just yet.
• 3361[19:35:32] <jelly> rozie: no need for that when it's pretty sure what the cause is
• 3362[19:35:35] <winsen> rozie: sorry?
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• 3364[19:36:10] <jelly> let's see if a local backport is feasible at all
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• 3366[19:36:18] <jelly> ,checkbackport amule
• 3367[19:36:21] <judd> Backporting package amule in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual.
• 3368[19:36:21] <greycat> So I guess your choices are (1) try jessie-multimedia (dangerous), (2) try backporting stretch's, (3) build upstream source
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• 3374[19:37:33] <jelly> winsen: for the backport recipe for option (2), read: /msg dpkg ssb
• 3375[19:37:34] <winsen> rozie: replaced-url
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• 3378[19:37:43] <oo_miguel> toruvinn: yeah, this is also my nightmare, like some complete freeze due to a kernel bug or hardware failure and I keep wondering how they will distinguish these both :P
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• 3380[19:38:24] <winsen> jelly: I don't get you sorry
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• 3382[19:38:40] <greycat> winsen: So I guess your choices are (1) try jessie-multimedia (dangerous), (2) try backporting stretch's, (3) build upstream source
• 3383[19:38:57] <jelly> winsen: type "/msg dpkg ssb" in your irc client. Read the response from dpkg bot
• 3384[19:39:10] <teraflops> oo_miguel: dont you have a serial console thingy available on the web admin interface? most providers have it
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• 3386[19:39:27] <rozie> winsen: show sources.list
• 3387[19:39:32] <greycat> *sigh*
• 3388[19:39:41] <jmcnaught> rozie: amule isn't in jessie
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• 3390[19:39:48] <greycat> rozie: we already KNOW the package isn't in jessie. See judd's output above.
• 3391[19:40:09] <rozie> but we don't know anything about his sources.list, ain't we?
• 3392[19:40:21] <jelly> and we don't need to
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• 3395[19:40:29] <greycat> winsen: which version of Debian are you using?
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• 3397[19:40:56] <oo_miguel> teraflops: they only connect such a console on request for a small time.
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• 3403[19:42:15] <winsen> rozie: replaced-url
• 3404[19:42:29] <winsen> greycat: debian jessie
• 3405[19:43:24] <rozie> winsen: as mentioned earlier, there's no amule in jessie
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• 3407[19:43:47] <greycat> rozie is only 8 minutes behind
• 3408[19:43:52] <rozie> you can add jessie-multimedia repository or use/make backport
• 3409[19:44:11] <greycat> Ooh, 7 minutes behind now! Really rolling!
• 3410[19:44:40] <rozie> greycat: but this time he will get it
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• 3412[19:45:14] <winsen> rozie: what do you mean? it can not be installed on debian8?
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• 3416[19:45:45] <greycat> rozie: Oops. Too optimistic. Only three repetitions were not sufficient to drive the point home.
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• 3421[19:46:20] <greycat> Actually, there is a fourth option -- it might be possible to install the wheezy version.
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• 3425[19:47:02] <greycat> (Or option 5, "backport" (foreport?) the wheezy source.)
• 3426[19:47:35] <jmcnaught> there's also mldonkey
• 3427[19:48:23] <greycat> I have absolutely no idea what an amule is, so I don't even know how to look for alternatives.
• 3428[19:48:28] <jelly> greycat: you might like this,
• 3429[19:48:29] <jelly> <Abbott> Desu: 1997-12-29_rar202: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.1, stripped
• 3430[19:48:43] <jelly> ld-linux.so.1
• 3431[19:48:50] <greycat> Is that libc5?
• 3432[19:48:56] <jelly> I think so.
• 3433[19:49:10] <greycat> My last libc5-capable machine died last month.
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• 3435[19:49:41] <jelly> amusingly I had a copy of that dynamic loader on my home system until 2015
• 3436[19:49:43] <teraflops> oh I loved mkdonky
• 3437[19:49:46] <teraflops> ml*
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• 3439[19:50:35] <jelly> said system had been installed with slink and upgraded ever since
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• 3443[19:50:47] <greycat> winsen: So I guess your choices are (1) try jessie-multimedia (dangerous), (2) try backporting stretch's, (3) build upstream source, (4) try to install wheezy's (slightly less dangerous than multimedia), (5) try to backport wheezy's, (6) seek an alternative
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• 3447[19:51:20] <jelly> forward* port wheezy's
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• 3450[19:53:09] <r3> can I use 'aptitude hold foobar' even if apt-cache is reporting a version of foobar installed that is actually older than the version of foobar that is installed? Meaning that I manually installed foobar outside the apt package management system (I know I shouldn't have) and that apt is thinking there is version 1 installed, where there is actually version 2 installed. I know this is a band-aid
• 3451[19:53:09] <r3> but I would like to be able to run 'apt-get update' and have it totally ignore and not do anything with the package foobar.
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• 3454[19:53:41] <greycat> I don't know if Debian ever got around to unifying the different ways of "holding" a package.
• 3455[19:53:52] <jelly> not yet
• 3456[19:53:57] <jelly> !hold
• 3457[19:53:58] <dpkg> hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771 (fixed in stretch). See also <hold list>, <unhold>.
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• 3461[19:54:25] <greycat> Ah, bot says fixed in stretch.
• 3462[19:54:30] <jelly> r3: do the set-selections thing.
• 3463[19:54:33] <greycat> Or at least one of the pieces...
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• 3465[19:54:54] <greycat> If you've got aptitude installed, do both.
• 3466[19:55:08] <jelly> aptitude honors the dpkg thing, but not vice versa
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• 3468[19:55:19] <jelly> (why does it even have its own thing? No idea)
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• 3470[19:55:22] <r3> do both the 'aptitude hold foobar' and 'echo foobar hold|dpkg --set-selections'
• 3471[19:55:30] <jelly> that is safe as well.
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• 3473[19:55:44] <r3> and it won't care if the version installed doesn't match the version it thinks it is installed?
• 3474[19:55:52] <greycat> huh?
• 3475[19:55:56] <r3> it will just ignore all to do with foobar
• 3476[19:56:12] <r3> I just want to understand what hold is really doing.
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• 3478[19:56:33] <jelly> r3: it will prevent further installation of any version via apt/aptitude.
• 3479[19:56:35] <greycat> What program is telling you something which you know to be false, and what is it telling you, and how do you know it's false?
• 3480[19:56:40] <r3> aptitude wont do anything then with a held package, it will skit it totally
• 3481[19:56:47] <r3> er, skip it totally?
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• 3484[19:57:25] <r3> greycat: I've installed a different version of ntp than what is available from apt-cache due to a bug
• 3485[19:57:33] <greycat> Installed it how?
• 3486[19:57:41] <r3> and, of course, installing something outside a package management system is a bad idea, I get that
• 3487[19:58:12] <greycat> And why didn't you purge the Debian package if you are not using it?
• 3488[19:58:12] <jelly> what precisely do you mean by "installing something outside a package management system"
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• 3490[19:58:39] <r3> greycat: because I am a novice and didn't want to mess things up further, I apologize
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• 3494[19:59:31] <r3> jelly: building and making it from source
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• 3498[20:00:28] <greycat> I would make backup copies of your config file(s) and your systemd/sysv start scripts for it, then purge the Debian package, then replace the configs/start scripts however you need to start your /usr/local or /opt version.
• 3499[20:00:40] <r3> there exists a bug in the debian release of ntp that hasn't been addressed yet, so I had to go around what debian wanted me to install. I should purge the debian package, but I honestly don't know how, and I am afraid of losing the init files
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• 3501[20:01:05] <greycat> If you installed in /usr instead of /usr/local then you really have made a mess.
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• 3503[20:01:16] <r3> probably
• 3504[20:01:30] <r3> no, I installed in /usr/local
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• 3507[20:02:07] <r3> er, no, it's a mess, as I copied into /usr/bin and /usr/sbin
• 3508[20:02:17] <jelly> that _is_ a mess
• 3509[20:02:19] <r3> yes
• 3510[20:03:04] <jelly> should have figured out a way to run it where it was
• 3511[20:03:12] <r3> but for this one package on a testing system, it works and is ok. It just has created a problem when doing a full upgrade. I sorted that, but would like to continue to upgrade via apt, which is why I was asking about 'hold'
• 3512[20:03:19] <greycat> Call it a learning experience.
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• 3514[20:04:00] <greycat> Putting holds in dpkg and aptitude may help the duct-tape-tower stay standing a bit longer. It's not the correct answer, but it might be good enough for now.
• 3515[20:04:16] <r3> which is all I can hope for, really, as I crave learning and understanding
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• 3518[20:04:30] <jelly> until the next release upgrade or so
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• 3520[20:04:58] <r3> greycat: I totally understand your objections, and it is a duct-tape-tower (nice analogy) to be sure, and I thank you for the clarification about holding packages
• 3521[20:06:13] <r3> jelly: as I upgrade to newer ntp versions on this testing systems than are generally released, I can forsee it permanently not matching what apt thinks is there as I *should* have probably made my own package and installed it that way
• 3522[20:06:38] <r3> but, being a novice, I didn't (and still don'
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• 3524[20:06:52] <r3> 't) quite understand how to go about doing that. Conceptually I get it
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• 3526[20:07:33] <winsen> greycat: jessie-multimedia "(dangerous)"lol you're funny though
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• 3528[20:07:36] <julius_> hi
• 3529[20:08:06] <greycat> !dmm
• 3530[20:08:06] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
• 3531[20:08:52] <winsen> greycat: so we both agree. staying in old version is always better.
• 3532[20:09:11] <julius_> sitting in front of a debian jessie netinstall here, says it needs rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw for the ethernet interface. so i downloaded: replaced-url
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• 3534[20:10:08] <greycat> julius_: dpkg -i /path/to/firmware-realtek_0.43_all.deb
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• 3536[20:10:41] <greycat> ... err, I am assuming you've already installed. Sorry. That was a bad assumption.
• 3537[20:11:15] <jelly> julius_: I think the installer requires actual firmware files there.
• 3538[20:11:20] <julius_> ok
• 3539[20:11:25] <jelly> alternatively,
• 3540[20:11:28] <jelly> !firmware images
• 3541[20:11:28] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
• 3542[20:11:32] <winsen> greycat: can you tell me where can I get entire Debian/Hurd?
• 3543[20:12:04] <jelly> julius_: using "unofficial" images with firmware already on them is usually a simpler approach
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• 3545[20:12:17] <julius_> jelly, will keep that in mind for the next time
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• 3549[20:15:28] <r3> thank you greycat and jelly, I truly appreciate the assistance
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• 3551[20:15:45] * r3 will search for a tutorial on how to build a deb package
• 3552[20:15:57] <greycat> Ugh, I wouldn't do that.
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• 3554[20:16:20] <greycat> Installing your upstream ntp in /usr/local and borrowing the Debian systemd script should be enough.
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• 3556[20:16:23] <jmcnaught> the installer is supposed to be able to use firmware packages or loose firmware files. they need to be in the root or a directory called /firmware. the install manual recommends using a FAT filesystem
• 3557[20:16:34] <r3> well, it will stay broken then, I suppose, the 'hold' will help be sure I don't whack what I have installed in the future however
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• 3559[20:17:08] <r3> greycat: oh, ok, well, let me investigate how to go about that solution then, thanks again
• 3560[20:17:10] <teraflops> jmcnaught: last time I tried that way I failed miserably
• 3561[20:17:13] <jelly> r3: if you only need a newer version of something that already has a package in debian, you can reuse debian's source package bits as a starting point in packaging a newer version
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• 3563[20:17:40] <jelly> r3: see /msg dpkg package rebuild, /msg dpkg uupdate
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• 3565[20:18:08] <r3> yeah the versions I am using don't already have a package in debian
• 3566[20:18:22] <julius_> jelly, hm no luck. i even copied the files from the .deb to /media/myusbSTICK/rtl_nic/ as said in the installer message....still nothing?
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• 3568[20:18:50] <calisto> hi any knows if its possible use Soft RoCE in Debian?
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• 3572[20:20:04] <jelly> julius_: yeah, I don't remember the specifics. They're in the Install Guide, but I can't be bothered looking it up every time and use fw images instead
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• 3574[20:20:16] <julius_> ah thanks
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• 3576[20:20:22] <jelly> !install guide
• 3577[20:20:23] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at replaced-url
• 3578[20:20:59] <jmcnaught> julius_: the exact chapter you need is replaced-url
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• 3584[20:23:23] <julius_> hm, i already copied all the files to /rtl_nic, and on / on the usb device
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• 3586[20:24:03] <ojoa> ;
• 3587[20:24:36] <julius_> it does not explicitly state that it can read from a ext2 usb stick.....but since i can mount the stick on the usb system....it should work?
• 3588[20:26:41] <jmcnaught> julius_: it's worth trying a FAT filesystem since the docs say that's your best bet. You can also proceed with the installation, install the firmware package after the first boot (and don't forget to set up your sources.list)
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• 3592[20:28:45] <r0ck_> howdy ppl!
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• 3594[20:29:03] <r0ck_> just wanna ask is there the same issue with fglrx prop with jessie and gnome?
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• 3596[20:29:08] <r0ck_> or is it fixed already?
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• 3602[20:31:08] <julius_> lmcloughlin, really a fat device at a jessie installation...that would be low
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• 3605[20:31:27] <lmcloughlin> huh?
• 3606[20:31:32] <julius_> oh, wrong nick
• 3607[20:31:45] <lmcloughlin> no worries :)
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• 3609[20:32:30] <julius_> jmcnaught, that is where i draw the line....i will not turn this stick into a fat device.....it doesnt deserve that!
• 3610[20:32:38] <julius_> im gonna download the prefirmware image
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• 4439[21:11:53] <docmax> HELP with autofs
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• 4459[21:16:06] <cast> is there a question coming?
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• 4470[21:16:59] <teraflops> cast: perhaps he was bitten by the net-split
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• 4483[21:18:49] <cast> ah, fair point. i have parts/quits on ignore. would be nice if there was a smart enough ignore system to show me recently active people quitting/joining
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• 4820[21:19:32] <petn-randall> Can someone explain to me why running '/usr/share/mdadm/checkarray --status --all' returns nothing (RC=1), but 'bash /usr/share/mdadm/checkarray --status --all' return data fine?
• 4821[21:19:32] <petn-randall> I might have found a bug in jessie.
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• 4843[21:19:56] <jelly> petn-randall: you've found a bug in dash, yes
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• 4855[21:20:11] <jelly> (it's already in BTS somewhere)
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• 4860[21:20:32] <greycat> Well, if the script is using bashisms but a #!/bin/sh shebang, then that's a bug in the script, not in dash.
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• 4862[21:20:37] <petn-randall> jelly: Is it an output bug, or does the script silently bail out?
• 4863[21:20:40] <jelly> petn-randall: change your /bin/sh to bash, or possibly ksh, instead of dash
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• 4865[21:20:55] <jelly> no, it was an actual bug in dash
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• 4867[21:21:18] <petn-randall> That does what exactly?
• 4868[21:21:30] <jelly> I don't remember the bug #
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• 4871[21:21:39] <greycat> bug #832537 ?
• 4872[21:21:41] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 4875[21:21:57] <jelly> yeah
• 4876[21:22:08] <jelly> subject sounds like it
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• 4881[21:22:25] <greycat> Gah, references a file in /sys. I would need to have this file present.
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• 4883[21:22:51] <petn-randall> Eh, I find this is an RC bug. :/
• 4884[21:22:57] <greycat> If the file doesn't have a terminating newline, then it is CORRECT for read to return 1, and the bug is probably "use of set -e".
• 4885[21:23:00] <petn-randall> No mdadm checks for god knows how long.
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• 4887[21:23:26] <greycat> (or "use of set -e without corresponding patches to every line that breaks under -e")
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• 4890[21:23:49] <jelly> petn-randall: feel free to, between the maintainers for kernel, dash and mdadm, convince someone to raise it to RC
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• 4892[21:24:12] <greycat> Gotta try to find a system with a /dev/md* on it...
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• 4898[21:24:34] <jelly> greycat: make a couple /dev/loop*, make a md out of 'em ...
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• 4901[21:24:41] <petn-randall> Meh. The bug is in that script. If it depends on certain shell behaviour, then it should depend on that shell and have it in the shebang. Or catch every corner case for every shell to use.
• 4902[21:24:57] <petn-randall> Or at least bail out LOUDLY when it runs with buggy shells.
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• 4906[21:25:33] <greycat> Found one.... hold on.
• 4907[21:25:36] <jelly> petn-randall: if said shell behaviour is defined in posix sh? (I don't remember whether it is, or some unspecified corner case)
• 4908[21:25:46] <greycat> presence of set -e: confirmed.
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• 4917[21:26:58] <greycat> I don't appear to have this 'sync_action' file though.
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• 4921[21:27:13] <greycat> So I can't read one to see what it HAS IN IT :(
• 4922[21:27:17] * jelly hopes greycat will keep his lunch on > if [ -z "$(ls /sys/block/md* 2>/dev/null)" ];
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• 4928[21:27:50] <jelly> does that count as ParsingLs
• 4929[21:27:51] <greycat> jelly: ...
• 4930[21:27:59] <petn-randall> greycat: You don't have RAID? You casual ;)
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• 4939[21:28:42] <greycat> md1 : active raid1 sda2[0] sdb2[1]
• 4940[21:28:44] <greycat> md0 : active raid1 sda1[0] sdb1[1]
• 4941[21:28:55] <greycat> But I don't have a sync_action in either /sys/block/md*
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• 4943[21:29:02] <petn-randall> greycat: How come?
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• 4945[21:29:09] <greycat> I don't know! Should I?
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• 4950[21:29:42] <jelly> it appears when a rebuild or check is actually running, afair
• 4951[21:29:44] <petn-randall> greycat: /sys/devices/virtual/block/md0/md/sync_action
• 4952[21:29:51] <jelly> or what
• 4953[21:30:08] <greycat> Oh, it's in a .../md/ subdir. I missed that.
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• 4955[21:30:18] <petn-randall> I should be there all the time, having either 'idle', 'check', etc in it.
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• 4958[21:30:29] <jelly> I don't have a petn-randall in there.
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• 4962[21:31:11] <greycat> svr5:~$ dash
• 4963[21:31:16] <greycat> \h:\w$ read cur_status < /sys/devices/virtual/block/md0/md/sync_action
• 4964[21:31:16] <greycat> \h:\w$ echo $?
• 4965[21:31:16] <greycat> 0
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