• 0[00:00:03] <k3rn3lwalk3r_> while installing webcamstudio-dkms_0.61_all.deb
• 1[00:00:15] <k3rn3lwalk3r_> can anyone help me
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• 4[00:00:29] <mtn> k3rn3lwalk3r_: only debian is supported here
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• 6[00:00:42] <missmbob> !tell k3rn3lwalk3r_ -about based on debian
• 7[00:01:02] <missmbob> k3rn3lwalk3r_: this isnt your first time, either.
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• 15[00:02:28] <ryouma> so perhaps both of the videos i tried are abnormal and the library will not work, or the library is corrupted
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• 18[00:03:19] <teraflops> ryouma: sounds reasonable, sharing the video would help though
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• 41[00:13:09] <Elronnd> does anyone have any good recommendations for 2-d animation software?
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• 55[00:21:07] <master_01> help replaced-url
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• 60[00:22:51] <BenNZ> master_01: easiest fix would be to install the fglrx driver
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• 64[00:23:18] <master_01> BenNZ, k i'll try that thanks
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• 66[00:23:48] <missmbob> !tell master_01 -about fglrx dkms
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• 69[00:24:31] <master_01> missmbob, i'll look into it thnx
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• 71[00:25:03] <jmcnaught> Does cinnamon work with fglrx? because fglrx breaks GNOME.
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• 73[00:25:27] <missmbob> i have no idea
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• 76[00:26:07] <BenNZ> jmcnaught: does it other distros , so should do here
• 77[00:26:11] <BenNZ> *in
• 78[00:26:23] <master_01> i will try non-free sources
• 79[00:26:26] <master_01> first
• 80[00:26:31] <jmcnaught> master_01: before installing fglrx, did you try installing firmware-linux-nonfree?
• 81[00:26:41] <jmcnaught> master_01: replaced-url
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• 86[00:29:32] <jmcnaught> master_01: firmware-linux-nonfree package is in non-free, so this is the first step to enabling acceleration in the open source radeon driver too
• 87[00:29:35] <master_01> hmm no i'll just try the easy way first and install firmware-linux-nonfre i guess
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• 89[00:29:49] <master_01> ok thnx
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• 93[00:31:27] <jmcnaught> master_01: good choice. look at the wiki page i linked to. the radeon driver integrates with the rest of Debian better than fglrx (which is closed source), and is still pretty fast for most uses
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• 95[00:32:26] <master_01> i bookmarked replaced-url
• 96[00:32:51] <master_01> so i installed firmware-linux-nonfree, now just reboot?
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• 102[00:34:40] <master_01> thanks
• 103[00:34:45] <master_01> rebooting
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• 112[00:37:44] <lindylex> Where does are the mysql library files stored? I need to pass this parameter to build motion.
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• 114[00:38:07] <master_01> i guess it worked. how can i make sure?
• 115[00:38:34] <somiaj> lindylex: what do you mean pass a parameter to the build motion? Do you need to rebuild mysql to include a build flag that is not included by debian?
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• 117[00:38:56] <somiaj> lindylex: or do you just need the mysql headers so you can build software against the mysql libaries on your system?
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• 119[00:39:20] <lindylex> I need to pass this parameter to motion. I am building it from source. --with-mysql-lib
• 120[00:39:39] <somiaj> lindylex: you need the headers, these are included in -dev (development packages)
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• 122[00:39:42] <lindylex> somaij: yes "or do you just need the mysql headers so you can build software against the mysql libaries on your system?"
• 123[00:39:54] <lindylex> I isntalled the dev package.
• 124[00:40:09] <lindylex> I just need to specify where they are located.
• 125[00:40:12] <somiaj> lindylex: which dev package?
• 126[00:40:18] <jmcnaught> master_01: do you still get the warning you showed in your imgur link? you can run "glxinfo"
• 127[00:40:21] <lindylex> mysql
• 128[00:40:23] <somiaj> lindylex: dpkg -L packagename will list the contents of th epackage.
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• 130[00:40:54] <missmbob> lindylex: you didnt answer the question. if the right dev package is installed it'll find it automatically. mysql has a few. that's why he asked.
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• 132[00:41:04] <master_01> no i didn't get a warning
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• 134[00:41:34] <lindylex> missmbob: motion did not find it. I have no idea why it did not.
• 135[00:41:45] <somiaj> lindylex: which package did you install?
• 136[00:41:47] <missmbob> lindylex: so you're not going to answer which dev package?
• 137[00:41:49] <lindylex> I installed sudo apt-get install mysql-server libmysqlclient-dev
• 138[00:41:58] <master_01> replaced-url
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• 141[00:42:43] <somiaj> lindylex: that is only one of the multiple -dev packages I see for mysql. I don't know mysql well enough to know what -dev package you need, but it sounds like it isn't the client you want.
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• 143[00:42:47] <master_01> i guess i should also install libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati
• 144[00:42:49] <master_01> ?
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• 146[00:43:25] <jmcnaught> master_01: that third line is what you check in the glxinfo output. direct rendering means 3D acceleration is working
• 147[00:43:40] <somiaj> lindylex: If I were to guess, I would think you would need libmysql++-dev, that contains the C++ headers.
• 148[00:43:49] <master_01> cool
• 149[00:43:52] <lindylex> I am following the instruction on motion help file motion_guide.html on git hub.
• 150[00:44:04] <jmcnaught> master_01: line 43 too
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• 154[00:44:56] <master_01> do i still install libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati like the url you posted suggests?
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• 156[00:45:08] <somiaj> lindylex: in my experience building things, if I have the correct -dev package installed, things are detected automatically. So I would assume this is similar and the reason it isn't working is you don't have the correct -dev package installed for the libaries it needs.
• 157[00:45:19] <missmbob> ,v motion
• 158[00:45:24] <judd> Package: motion on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2.12-3.4; jessie: 3.2.12+git20140228-4+b3; stretch: 3.2.12+git20140228-9+b1; sid: 3.4.1-1
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• 161[00:45:41] <lindylex> I need version 3.4
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• 163[00:45:49] <missmbob> ,checkbackport motion
• 164[00:45:50] <judd> Backporting package motion in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
• 165[00:45:55] <missmbob> !tell lindylex about ssb
• 166[00:46:08] <somiaj> lindylex: this may help. add a deb-src to your sources.list and then use apt-get build-dep motion
• 167[00:46:16] <master_01> coming from linux mint i didn't have to do all this
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• 169[00:46:31] <master_01> but it's good to learn
• 170[00:46:35] <somiaj> master_01: are you trying to use the non-free fglrx drivers?
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• 172[00:47:01] <master_01> firmware-linux-nonfree is installed
• 173[00:47:05] <master_01> and working
• 174[00:47:20] <somiaj> master_01: or are you wanting to use the radeon open drivers?
• 175[00:47:40] <master_01> firmware-linux-nonfree
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• 180[00:48:37] <master_01> jmcnaught, do i still install libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati like the url you posted suggests?
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• 183[00:49:02] <jmcnaught> master_01: replaced-url
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• 189[00:50:43] <master_01> jmcnaught, thanks
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• 191[00:51:56] <jmcnaught> master_01: welcome
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• 194[00:52:31] <lindylex> somiaj: I have deb-scr replaced-url
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• 197[00:53:05] <master_01> you're right those packages are already installed
• 198[00:53:23] <somiaj> lindylex: you only have the deb-src for testing-updates, you need a deb-src for just testing (the palace the package lives)
• 199[00:53:37] <somiaj> lindylex: also you should use 'stretch' instead of 'testing' in your sources.list
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• 201[00:53:58] <master_01> anyone uses inxi?
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• 203[00:54:19] <jmcnaught> master_01: sounds like it's working properly then. give it a spin for a while and see if it works fast enough for you
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• 205[00:54:31] <somiaj> lindylex: one thing to note, since you are using testing (not stable) you should visit #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. It is not suggested you use testing for a server. Since you are using testing, installing the package from sid is possible and may not require you actually compile it from source.
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• 208[00:55:07] <lindylex> Thanks
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• 210[00:55:24] <master_01> jmcnaught, i will be trying to game (urban terror) and see :)
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• 212[00:55:45] <somiaj> in many cases the open radeon driver has comparable preformance to fgrlx-nonfree driver.
• 213[00:56:06] <somiaj> and on older radeon cards it is the only option available, the non-free driver drops support of older cards.
• 214[00:56:11] <master_01> i will switch if anything
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• 216[00:56:32] <master_01> somiaj, good to know
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• 218[00:57:57] <master_01> all i need now is to update my grub, it reads Windows Recovery instead of just Windows 10...
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• 220[00:58:04] <master_01> need help with that
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• 222[00:58:17] <somiaj> master_01: do you have the os-prober package installed?
• 223[00:58:54] <master_01> yes
• 224[00:59:12] <somiaj> master_01: are you booting windows and debian using (u)efi or legacy boot?
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• 229[00:59:51] <master_01> somiaj, i'm not sure
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• 231[01:00:11] <somiaj> master_01: ls /boot/efi (do you see anything in that directory)
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• 233[01:00:45] <master_01> ls: cannot access /boot/efi: No such file or directory
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• 235[01:00:53] <YokoBR> hi folks and gals
• 236[01:01:06] <master_01> hi yoko
• 237[01:01:32] <somiaj> master_01: well in debian you are using legacy boot. If you are using efi boot with windows you may not be able to load it with grub. You can run 'update-grub' just to see if it detects windows 10 any better, if not you may have to figure out what mode windows boots into and manully fix grub.
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• 240[01:02:04] <YokoBR> well, i'm on debian jessie and when I turn it on I aways have to reboot 2, 3 times until wifi connects. Mine is Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 .
• 241[01:02:32] <YokoBR> I've already tryied some tutorials, blacklisting stuff but none worked.
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• 244[01:03:45] <YokoBR> every day I miss 30 min of work because of this.
• 245[01:03:48] <somiaj> YokoBR: lets figure out why the wifi is having trouble as I don't see why rebooting fixes this.
• 246[01:04:13] <YokoBR> my boss is getting angry lol
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• 248[01:04:27] <somiaj> !bcm4313
• 249[01:04:28] <dpkg> The Broadcom BCM4313 (PCI ID 14e4:4727) - incorrectly identified as BCM4727 by Broadcom's proprietary driver - is an 802.11n PCIe wireless LAN chipset. Not supported by the <b43> driver at this time. For device support, ask about me about <brcmsmac>, <wl>. Not to be confused with the <bcm4331>.
• 250[01:04:29] <jmcnaught> master_01: did you run "ls /boot/efi" as root?
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• 252[01:04:36] <missmbob> then tell your boss to buy you a new laptop. i'd milk that all day
• 253[01:04:56] <somiaj> jmcnaught: I didn't need to run it as root on my system.
• 254[01:04:57] <master_01> jmcnaught, no i didn't, i will now
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• 258[01:05:11] <YokoBR> somiaj: I'm already using the wl driver and b43 is blacklisted.
• 259[01:05:24] <master_01> it's su root right?
• 260[01:05:29] <master_01> to switch
• 261[01:05:30] <somiaj> YokoBR: well when it boots and doesn't work, try to identify why it doesn't work.
• 262[01:05:38] <somiaj> master_01: correct, or if you have sudo set up, just 'sudo ls /boot/efi'
• 263[01:05:48] <jmcnaught> somiaj: /boot/efi is 700 root:root here
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• 265[01:06:42] <somiaj> YokoBR: i.e. does the wrong module get loaded? Is it an error with the firmware, or is the driver just flaky and you could just reload the module a few times to kick it into gear.
• 266[01:06:43] <master_01> ls: cannot access /boot/efi: No such file or directory
• 267[01:07:00] <somiaj> jmcnaught: intertsing, mine is 755, fairly sure I'm using the defaults.
• 268[01:07:10] <master_01> so it's legacy then
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• 271[01:07:27] <master_01> i will try update-grub as root
• 272[01:07:41] <missmbob> somiaj: 700 here...
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• 275[01:08:50] <jmcnaught> drwx------ 3 root root 4096 Dec 31 1969 /boot/efi <-- that date looks off
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• 277[01:09:12] <master_01> don't think it worked replaced-url
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• 279[01:09:24] <somiaj> missmbob: hmm, that is probabaly better permisions. Unsure why mine is 755, it was a fresh jessie install I belive.
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• 281[01:09:58] <master_01> i will reboot to make sure and see
• 282[01:10:08] <climjark> got a dumb question here
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• 284[01:10:09] <somiaj> jmcnaught: mine has the same date, but its because it is a fat16 file system mounted there, so wonder if it is the /etc/fstab that sets up the permissions.
• 285[01:10:24] <master_01> brb
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• 287[01:10:33] <missmbob> i also have the same date
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• 289[01:10:36] <climjark> -dev packages, are they for development of the library or to use for developing programs with them
• 290[01:10:44] <somiaj> jmcnaught, missmbob: in my /etc/fstab I have /boot/efi as vfat and defaults.
• 291[01:10:56] <jmcnaught> somiaj: vfat umask=0077 here
• 292[01:11:15] <missmbob> same umask=0077 here
• 293[01:11:38] <somiaj> wonder if I just did something strange when I installed, or the installer has changed (I can't recall if I orignally installed this as a wheey or jessie machine)
• 294[01:11:58] <missmbob> somiaj: i used jessie installer. i dont mess with the alpha stuff...so i dont know.
• 295[01:12:03] <somiaj> climjark: the -dev packages contain the headers (.h files) needed to build software against those libaries.
• 296[01:12:15] <somiaj> missmbob: me either, but this could have been a wheezy->jessie upgrade.
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• 299[01:12:46] <climjark> somiaj, so i should install those packages to develop software with them
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• 301[01:13:07] <somiaj> climjark: if you need to compile software against those libaries, then yes.
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• 303[01:13:42] <somiaj> climjark: maybe being a bit more specific about what you are doing will give you a more definitive answer.
• 304[01:14:09] * somiaj updates his /etc/fstab
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• 306[01:14:26] <master_01> still the same :-/
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• 308[01:14:42] <climjark> somiaj, im creating a game engine using glew, sdl , openal and lua. i want to make sure im grabbing the correct packages, which are lib(libraryName)-dev
• 309[01:15:11] <master_01> but i fix this same issue when i used linux mint. i installed grub-customizer
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• 311[01:15:26] <master_01> it automatically fix the issue
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• 313[01:15:34] * teraflops uses gummiboot on a couple of machines
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• 317[01:16:15] <somiaj> teraflops: I keep meaning to swtich away from grub. with efi I see little reason for grub since the efi firmware is a good enough boot loader for multiple oses (or even kernels).
• 318[01:16:23] <master_01> but to install grub-customizer in debian is different and im not sure how to do it :-/
• 319[01:16:24] <jmcnaught> master_01: did you install using a live image? only the installer images support UEFI
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• 321[01:16:37] <somiaj> climjark: then yes to compile the code you'll want the -dev packages for the libaries you are using with your #include lines.
• 322[01:16:42] <teraflops> somiaj: systemd-boot is pretty fast and simple
• 323[01:16:44] <master_01> no in live no
• 324[01:16:50] <master_01> not*
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• 326[01:17:18] <climjark> thank you somiaj maybe one day my engine will be a package in the contrib distro ;D
• 327[01:17:18] <teraflops> it's still called gummiboot in jessie
• 328[01:17:48] <somiaj> teraflops: so systemd-boot is gummiboot or similar?
• 329[01:18:13] <master_01> i could try to run mint live and install grub-customizer to fix this, but i rather learn to install it on debian
• 330[01:18:51] <master_01> not as easy i see :-/
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• 332[01:19:06] <somiaj> master_01: you can manually add your own boot entries to grub in /etc/grub.d/ and I wonder if grub-customizer is just diong that.
• 333[01:19:27] <somiaj> master_01: look at /etc/grub.d/40_custom or /etc/grub.d/41_custom [though I'm unsure of what is needed to get it to boot windows 10]
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• 335[01:21:01] <teraflops> somiaj: gummiboot is how systemd-boot is called in jessie because it is an old version, jessie uses systemd 2.15
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• 337[01:21:33] <teraflops> also the installer does not support gummiboot, at least the official one
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• 342[01:22:11] <somiaj> teraflops: ahh, I didn't realize gumiboot was part of systemd.
• 343[01:22:21] <teraflops> it's now
• 344[01:22:27] <teraflops> hmm
• 345[01:22:29] <tgunr> I'm trying out nftables for first time and reading discovered a tool, iptables-translate but can't find where to get it.
• 346[01:22:34] <teraflops> somiaj: replaced-url
• 347[01:22:38] <master_01> somiaj, i'll look into it
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• 354[01:27:29] <master_01> replaced-url
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• 361[01:28:24] <master_01> if i simply ad entries how will it know to link to windows 10
• 362[01:28:30] <master_01> add*
• 363[01:28:53] <somiaj> master_01: you will have to give it all the info about which partiton/disk/etc to boot from.
• 364[01:29:06] <somiaj> master_01: I haven't dual booted with windows in so long I wouldn't be of much help what you actually need.
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• 368[01:30:57] <master_01> i'd rather just install grub-customizer
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• 371[01:31:14] <master_01> somiaj, would you know how? :D
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• 373[01:31:55] <somiaj> since it is not part of debian. I don't. And being that mint is based of of ubuntu, it may not be compadable with how debian runs grub.
• 374[01:32:19] * master_01 :(
• 375[01:33:15] <bazhang> the mint support is on spotchat irc
• 376[01:33:22] <master_01> i will go ahead and boot from a live mint and try
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• 379[01:34:09] <master_01> bazhang, i'm a former mint user and been there for months :)
• 380[01:34:29] <master_01> but thnx anyway :)
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• 382[01:35:44] <master_01> i will brb and will let you guys know if it worked :P
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• 390[01:39:50] <teraflops> tgunr: where's the fun converting rules with a script?
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• 392[01:40:25] <tgunr> fun? what fun?
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• 395[01:41:25] <teraflops> ⎸ I'm trying out nftables for first time and reading discovered a tool, iptables-translate
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• 402[01:46:45] <teraflops> tgunr: ah yo u think is not funny, sorry
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• 404[01:47:34] <tgunr> would be easier for me to understand if I could see my current rules as translated to nft
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• 406[01:47:58] <teraflops> tgunr: I can share a sample
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• 408[01:48:09] <teraflops> a working example
• 409[01:48:17] <tgunr> just found nftables sources, compiling it
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• 412[01:49:04] <missmbob> ,v nftables
• 413[01:49:05] <judd> Package: nftables on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 0.6-1~bpo8+1; sid: 0.6-2; stretch: 0.6-2
• 414[01:49:19] <teraflops> tgunr: replaced-url
• 415[01:49:22] * awal1 Wonders if systemd team have plans for throw out grub, xorg, linux and all gnu/linux major softwares...
• 416[01:49:29] <missmbob> just need to add jessie-backports it seems. never used nftables myself
• 417[01:49:36] <teraflops> awal1: ah good joke :P
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• 419[01:49:58] <missmbob> awal1: xorg isnt long for this world anyway :P
• 420[01:50:02] <tgunr> thanks
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• 423[01:51:28] <missmbob> ,v iptables-nftables-compat
• 424[01:51:29] <judd> Package: iptables-nftables-compat on amd64 -- sid: 1.6.0-3; stretch: 1.6.0-3
• 425[01:51:34] <missmbob> tgunr: see that too ^
• 426[01:51:35] <awal1> teraflops, missmbob, well I won't be conditioned by systemd like google is doing with many stuff in the web jungle; monopolizing it all
• 427[01:51:53] <tgunr> cc
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• 429[01:52:24] <missmbob> !tell tgunr -about ssb
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• 431[01:52:37] <tgunr> sindle side band?
• 432[01:52:45] <tgunr> single side band?
• 433[01:52:45] <teraflops> awal1: thank $DEITIES you can use whatever you want
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• 435[01:53:06] <missmbob> tgunr: the bot told you. how you get iptables-nftables-compat in jessie if you want
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• 437[01:53:32] <tgunr> added jessie backports, not finding that package
• 438[01:53:53] <missmbob> because it's not in there. the first one i mentioned was, not the second. for the second you need ssb
• 439[01:54:18] <tgunr> ah
• 440[01:54:25] <awal1> teraflops, now yes, but I'm worried for next near future; like conditioned by what Lennart & companions & redhat decides
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• 443[01:54:57] <teraflops> awal1: nah use openbsd or voidlinux
• 444[01:55:15] <awal1> teraflops, :P
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• 446[01:55:50] <awal1> first time I hear about gumiboot...
• 447[01:57:20] <teraflops> it's in jessie ^
• 448[01:57:30] <awal1> I see , yeah
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• 676[03:53:21] <greyeax> welp
• 677[03:53:23] <greyeax> thanks polari
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• 690[04:06:16] <greyeax> so i need some help trying to figure out how to do full disk encryption on debian, including /boot using serpent-xts-plain64 512 keysize and whirlpool hashing
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• 693[04:06:27] <greyeax> i was able to manually partition my disk, with luks and lvm
• 694[04:06:29] <greyeax> but i don't think the installer puts the right crypto modules in the right places if you don't partition through the tool in the installer
• 695[04:06:31] <greyeax> i could be wrong though, but i can't figure out what else it could be atm
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• 706[04:10:28] <RoyK> greyeax: I doubt you need to encrypt /boot, but it should be doable. Anyway, there's raraly any need for a dedicated /boot partition anymore
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• 709[04:12:37] <greyeax> RoyK, an unencrypted boot is vulnerable to an attacker with physical access to the machine
• 710[04:13:00] <missmbob> greyeax: vulnerable to what?
• 711[04:13:04] <RoyK> not unless you store the passwords unencrypted there
• 712[04:13:26] <greyeax> missmbob, RoyK: replaced-url
• 713[04:13:39] <RoyK> what would (s)he have to gain by reading those kernel files?
• 714[04:13:40] <greyeax> basically, if the /boot is unencrypted it can be poisoned
• 715[04:13:44] <missmbob> unencrypted /boot is not a risk. that's crazy. i dont care what a wp blog from 2011 tells you
• 716[04:14:47] <RoyK> well, don't use a separate /boot, then, if you're that paranoid
• 717[04:14:54] <greyeax> it quite literally is, he was able to get the disk encryption passphrase, run arbitrary code, get the contents of his passwd and shadow files, and ssh credentials. he was also able to get reverse root shells
• 718[04:15:20] <greyeax> RoyK: it's not exactly separate, i have it setup as one massive luks partition, and within it lvm partitions, separated into /boot swap and /root
• 719[04:15:25] <greyeax> or / as it were
• 720[04:16:18] <greyeax> but not really the point, what i'm trying to figure out is why the initramfs doesn't see the uuid of that partition
• 721[04:16:22] <tgunr> I can't seem to get nftables to log :( tried setting the /proc to no avail
• 722[04:16:39] <greyeax> i know it's the correct uuid because i checked, and i know the encryption worked properly because grub can decrypt the lvm /boot partition
• 723[04:16:41] <RoyK> greyeax: then someone must have done something rather strange - it's quite common to use an encrypted swap area for such systems, and if you don't, the system will be compromisable even with an encrypted /boot
• 724[04:17:14] <RoyK> tgunr: IIRC nftables isn't in stable, try #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net
• 725[04:17:24] <missmbob> it's in jessie-backports though
• 726[04:17:45] <missmbob> never used it so i dont know how to help you, however
• 727[04:17:59] <RoyK> just use ufw
• 728[04:17:59] <tgunr> according to docs, it's been in good use for 1.5+ year
• 729[04:18:00] <RoyK> it works
• 730[04:18:06] <greyeax> RoyK: initrd is just code that sits in /boot so that it can decrypt it, it's not that hard to slightly modify the code to simply capture the passphrase keystrokes, and set up a small script to run after initial startup
• 731[04:18:18] <jmcnaught> encrypted /boot protects you against "agents stole/compromised my laptop and tamper with it, then put it back, and now they monitor me". for most people they just need "i lost my laptop and don't want people accessing the info on it"
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• 733[04:19:32] <RoyK> greyeax: hm - I didn't think of that - anyway - a separate /boot partition hasn't been needed for years
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• 735[04:20:24] <RoyK> greyeax: only issue is that whenever the machine is booted, manual interaction is needed, but again, I guess that can be tolerated if security is high
• 736[04:20:46] <greyeax> RoyK: well once again, it's not quite, "separate" it's just an lvm partiton. I suppose that counts as separate, but the only reason i set it up that way is because some aspect of grub assumed there would be a boot partition and complained
• 737[04:20:48] <greyeax> don't quite remember what
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• 740[04:21:48] <greyeax> but either way what i'm trying to figure out is why my initramfs can't see the partition via it's uuid
• 741[04:21:52] <RoyK> greyeax: if someone gets in with root access, you're fucked anyway
• 742[04:22:17] <greyeax> RoyK: sure, but they need to get in with root access first
• 743[04:22:41] <missmbob> just like they'd need to get in with root access before any /boot mischief can happen
• 744[04:22:47] <missmbob> but i guess you've made up your mind
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• 746[04:23:01] <greyeax> missmbob: they would not, if they had physical access to the machine and the /boot was unencrypted
• 747[04:23:17] <missmbob> you'd still need someone to log in after they tampered
• 748[04:23:18] <greyeax> because if it's unencrypted all you have to do is slightly alter the initrd/initramfs
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• 750[04:23:26] <greyeax> missmbob:
• 751[04:23:29] * RoyK just wonders why /boot should be on its own partition or lv
• 752[04:23:33] <greyeax> yes, but that's also how hardware keylogger work
• 753[04:23:51] <RoyK> greyeax++
• 754[04:24:00] <missmbob> so dont use computers. problem solved.
• 755[04:24:17] * RoyK hands out typewrters
• 756[04:24:34] <greyeax> missmbob: this isn't really relevant to my issue, security is multifaceted and multilayred
• 757[04:24:38] <greyeax> layered
• 758[04:24:44] <greyeax> you're not aware of my use-case
• 759[04:25:06] <greyeax> so your perception of my need for this kind of security is not complete
• 760[04:25:24] <RoyK> greyeax: I'm quite sure rather a lot of people trust linux security as it is, including Snowden
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• 762[04:25:31] <missmbob> you could enlighten us
• 763[04:25:34] <greyeax> linux is not secure by default
• 764[04:25:42] <RoyK> nothing is
• 765[04:26:00] <greyeax> missmbob: it's not really relevant to my issue. you knowing why i need fully encrypted including /boot does not change the fact that i need it
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• 767[04:26:29] <greyeax> Royk: which is why you take the steps to do things correctly
• 768[04:26:35] <RoyK> greyeax: just don't put it on a separate partition - problem solved
• 769[04:27:08] <greyeax> it's on a separate lvm partition
• 770[04:27:16] <RoyK> and make sure to seal your laptop with some sort of sealing tape to avoid someone breaking in
• 771[04:27:16] <greyeax> the lvm partitions are inside the luks encrypted segment
• 772[04:27:25] <greyeax> meaning the initramfs needs to be able to decrypt that first
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• 775[04:27:26] <RoyK> and disable boot from USB ports, or glue them
• 776[04:27:28] <greyeax> but it can't find it
• 777[04:27:30] <xuhui> 😊
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• 779[04:27:39] <greyeax> so even if it wasn't on a separate lvm partition, it wouldn't change anything
• 780[04:28:18] <greyeax> i don't really understand why you think security ridiculous, to be honest
• 781[04:28:31] <RoyK> better yet, if you use a few tons of concrete around your laptop and sink it at the bottom of the ocean, remember to remove the battery, and perhaps the disk, then you have a really secure laptop
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• 784[04:29:00] <greyeax> once again, you don't know my use case
• 785[04:29:05] <greyeax> you don't know who i do or don't work for
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• 787[04:29:14] <greyeax> or what kind of information i'm securing
• 788[04:29:18] <greyeax> so please stop being rude
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• 791[04:29:45] <greyeax> i'm simply asking for some help, not opinions on the necessity of what i'm trying to accomplish
• 792[04:30:12] <RoyK> and what I'm saying is quite simple: Put /boot on the root partition and just encrypt it all.
• 793[04:30:30] <greyeax> i've explained this multiple times, the /boot is simply an lvm partition
• 794[04:30:34] <jmcnaught> greyeax: encrypted /boot is nice, but a lot of effort for a little more protection against physical tampering. If your machine is physically compromised, even with encrypted /boot you could still be owned. The default with Debian (unencrypted /boot) still prevents data loss if the computer is lost or stolen.
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• 796[04:30:42] <greyeax> initramfs can't find the encrypted primary partition
• 797[04:30:42] <RoyK> greyeax: partition or lv
• 798[04:30:46] <greyeax> which poot is in
• 799[04:30:48] <greyeax> lv
• 800[04:30:49] <RoyK> doesn't matter
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• 802[04:31:03] <RoyK> it's the filesystem that's important
• 803[04:31:10] <greyeax> it does, because if the initramfs can't decrypt /dev/sda1, then it can't see the /boot in the first place, or anything else
• 804[04:31:12] <RoyK> whereever it resides
• 805[04:31:20] <phagah> i use zram now though for most te
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• 808[04:31:57] <RoyK> well, then put /boot on an usb stick or three and use that to boot the system
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• 810[04:32:20] <greyeax> jmcnaught i understand this, but i didn't come here to be told that i should not do what i'm trying to do
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• 812[04:32:32] <greyeax> i came here for help asking how i can do it, or rather, how i can fix a very specific problem
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• 815[04:33:13] <RoyK> I guess if you work for the NSA or somewhere like that, there should be someone knowing those things
• 816[04:33:49] <jmcnaught> greyeax: so i don't know all what you've done, but it's grub that needs to unlock the device. your initrd is loaded from /boot
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• 818[04:34:16] <greyeax> jmcnaught: grub has unlocked the device, but as it is right now, the initramfs has to unlock it a second time
• 819[04:34:29] <greyeax> it's just how it works at the moment
• 820[04:35:03] <jmcnaught> greyeax: and you're not getting a chance to enter passphrase or something?
• 821[04:35:08] <greyeax> basically, yes
• 822[04:35:14] <greyeax> and the error that initramfs give sme
• 823[04:35:16] <greyeax> *gives me
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• 825[04:35:22] <greyeax> is that it can't find the uuid of the device
• 826[04:35:36] <greyeax> but the uuid is the exact same uuid i get when i run blkid on the live-usb
• 827[04:35:42] <greyeax> so i know it's the right onw
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• 829[04:35:44] <jmcnaught> greyeax: do you have plymouth installed?
• 830[04:35:44] <greyeax> *one
• 831[04:35:52] <greyeax> i do not, it's a bare bones debian install
• 832[04:36:45] <jmcnaught> greyeax: replaced-url
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• 837[04:40:27] <greyeax_> jmcnaught: thank you! i think this might be it
• 838[04:40:33] <greyeax_> i'll give it a shot
• 839[04:40:39] <greyeax_> i
• 840[04:41:31] <jmcnaught> greyeax_: good luck. the reason people here try to talk people out of encrypted boot is because most people don't need it, and well people get annoying when their stuff breaks.
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• 857[04:47:49] <Agafnd> when logging in, I have the options of "System default", GNOME, GNOME Classic, GNOME on Wayland, MATE, and Openbox. I only use MATE.
• 858[04:48:09] <Agafnd> any tips on removing the others? removing DEs is annoying
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• 861[04:53:34] <jmcnaught> Agafnd: it's something you need to do carefully. apt-get and aptitude both have '-s' options to simulate/dry-run (don't even need to be root)
• 862[04:54:28] <jmcnaught> Agafnd: if you installed gnome with the tasksel dialog in the installer, you could try "aptitude -s remove task-gnome-desktop" and see what it would do
• 863[04:54:53] <missmbob> i wish dpkg had an etcher factoid. anyone know how it works with debian images?
• 864[04:55:20] <greyeax_> jmcnaught: thanks. however, maybe those who find helping people annoying should not be in a help channel
• 865[04:55:21] <greyeax_> just saying
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• 867[04:56:13] <jmcnaught> greyeax_: it's good support to steer people away from overengineering if possible
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• 869[04:56:16] <Agafnd> jmcnaught: apparently that won't do anything
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• 871[04:56:39] <jmcnaught> Agafnd: try adding gnome and gnome-core to the list of packages to remove
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• 876[04:59:45] <Agafnd> jmcnaught: nothing?
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• 879[05:00:10] <cast> do you want to actually uninstall stuff or just clean up your DM menu?
• 880[05:00:10] <jmcnaught> Agafnd: nothing at all? making pastes with the command and output would help
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• 883[05:01:26] <Agafnd> jmcnaught: ran "aptitude -s remove task-gnome-desktop gnome gnome-core | nc termbin.com 9999", got "replaced-url
• 884[05:01:55] <Agafnd> cast: I do want to uninstall stuff as my root partition is rather small
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• 886[05:02:17] <jmcnaught> Agafnd: how did you install gnome then? or are those metapackages already removed?
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• 889[05:03:29] <Agafnd> jmcnaught: it installed with the system. Those may have already been removed along with a few default GNOME apps I uninstalled
• 890[05:03:57] <cast> next time, don't opt to install a desktop environment during the install :)
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• 892[05:04:54] <Agafnd> cast: at the time, I didn't know what I was doing and thought "oh, well gnome must be a good place to start"
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• 895[05:05:42] <jmcnaught> Agafnd: what does "aptitude -s remove ~i~n^gnome" want to do?
• 896[05:07:10] <Agafnd> jmcnaught: it wants to remove a lot of stuff. want me to pastebin it?
• 897[05:07:43] <jmcnaught> Agafnd: sure. the important thing is for you to read what it wants to remove, and verify that nothing you still need is on the list
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• 899[05:08:30] <jmcnaught> Agafnd: that search expression means "is installed and name starts with gnome" by the way. replaced-url
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• 903[05:09:04] <apt> You is redundant but i was reusing an expression from a search command?
• 904[05:09:16] <Agafnd> jmcnaught: replaced-url
• 905[05:09:22] <jmcnaught> apt: forget You
• 906[05:09:22] <apt> i didn't have anything called 'you' to forget, jmcnaught
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• 917[05:22:25] <somiaj> missmbob: I don't follow you etcher factoid? debian images?
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• 920[05:23:04] <missmbob> somiaj: apparently it's a "new thing" that i fear all thew newbies will try to use to make debian images. wondering if it actually works. replaced-url
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• 924[05:24:04] <somiaj> missmbob: ahh. Well you are welcome to make a factoid if you want. If dpkg doesn't listen to you send me the factoid and I'll have dpkg rember it.
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• 928[05:27:26] <somiaj> missmbob: oh boy etcher.io, semms foo.io is the newest fad.
• 929[05:27:49] <missmbob> yeah :P
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• 937[05:32:53] <missmbob> somiaj: been going through the source code and i'm even more confused. guess i'll just try it on a test box
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• 941[05:35:45] <somiaj> missmbob: I belive the most common thing that gets messed up with third party programs like that is when the installer tries to detect the cdrom and cannot. Many times it will boot.
• 942[05:36:30] <jmcnaught> i think unetbootin-alikes can also mess up grub install at the very end
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• 944[05:37:31] <missmbob> anyway i'll add a factoid once i've tested. at least then there'd be some data
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• 946[05:38:31] <jmcnaught> i'm fine with erring on the side of "follow the official docs"
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• 1049[06:46:39] <bibble_> in a tmux session, and would like to 'su different_user; tmux attach'... but how, or best way ?
• 1050[06:46:49] <bibble_> tmux nesting seems messy
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• 1053[06:48:57] <catbeard> so i did `systemctl enable mumble-server.service`, rebooted and nothing, i still have to execute `murmurd` to get mumble-server to start
• 1054[06:48:59] <catbeard> `service mumble-server start`, and `systemctl start mumble-server.service` doesn't seem to work
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• 1056[06:49:17] <jmcnaught> bibble_: is this to have a shared shell session with another person?
• 1057[06:49:23] <somiaj> catbeard: sure the service has the correct name? Check its status, systemctl status mumble-server
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• 1059[06:49:48] <cast> there's a tmux channel with over 300 people in it, fwiw
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• 1062[06:51:29] <bibble_> jmcnaught: kind of,. a user is running an app in tmux session, and I need to check it out, multi-tasking on same ssh session at the time
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• 1064[06:51:47] <bibble_> ok, thanks cast. good point, will check it out.
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• 1066[06:52:26] <bibble_> just wasn't sure if easy way of accessing their tmux session in /tmp or similar
• 1067[06:52:35] <jmcnaught> bibble_: right, #tmux is a good place to ask. if your answer was no and you were trying to run a daemon or something, i'd suggest not tmux
• 1068[06:53:00] <bibble_> right. thanks jmcnaught
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• 1071[06:54:47] <bibble_> catbeard: perhaps you have to 'systemctl start mumble-server.service' also, before rebooting.. ?
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• 1074[06:55:42] <bibble_> see if 'start' even activates it first.
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• 1100[07:12:47] <catbeard> it works great on a new server
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• 1102[07:13:25] <catbeard> it says active (exited)
• 1103[07:13:31] <catbeard> but the process is running, ports are listening
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• 1143[07:46:32] <Sckroll> Hi
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• 1161[07:58:10] <RoyK> ho
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• 1170[08:04:59] <jorgebueno> I have a problem with LDAP, It was working but suddenly appear => No configuration file was found for slapd at /etc/ldap/slapd.conf
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• 1172[08:05:30] <jorgebueno> I have never had that file, it is all in slap.d
• 1173[08:05:34] <jorgebueno> any idea?
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• 1200[08:16:49] <daniel-s> Ironmal is really keen on this particular movie!
• 1201[08:17:00] <daniel-s> It must be his particular fetish.
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• 1239[08:39:34] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 1292[09:08:17] <jaggz> any of you have problems with getting windows appearance frozen, flickering -- old display of desktop...
• 1293[09:08:20] <jaggz> in kde
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• 1295[09:08:46] <jaggz> I have to toggle desktop effects to fix it (and sometimes it doesn't actually fix it)
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• 1300[09:09:45] <jaggz> like right now I disabled desktop effects, to unfreeze a window, and it fixed that, but without effects on I am seeing a time of 7:48pm (when it's 12:09am)
• 1301[09:09:59] <jaggz> not sure what day that's from either
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• 1303[09:10:45] <jaggz> this has been an issue for over a year
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• 1307[09:13:05] <edmont> is it possible to disable ipv6 fragmentation?
• 1308[09:13:07] <jelly> jaggz: yes, on a machine with jessie and an amd/ati card and free drivers
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• 1413[09:59:09] <hansol> hello, how to configure ddns
• 1414[10:01:07] <cybiko123> hansol: Are you trying to use a DDNS provider? Or roll your own solution?
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• 1421[10:02:15] <hansol> cybiko123: my isp give my own ddns
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• 1424[10:02:53] <cybiko123> Who's your ISP?
• 1425[10:03:18] <hansol> cybiko123: blizoo
• 1426[10:03:56] <hansol> cybiko123: i have ddns now what ?
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• 1428[10:04:02] <hansol> cybiko123: how to configure it ?
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• 1433[10:05:49] <cybiko123> Hmm, not sure about them. How would you configure it on another OS? If they have a client, you'll either need to run it in WINE or figure out its protocol.
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• 1442[10:10:46] <ceegee> good morning
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• 1445[10:13:26] <ceegee> I have found the hardening guide replaced-url
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• 1454[10:18:46] <ksk> ceegee: go for it, its probably state of the art
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• 1476[10:25:49] <ceegee> ksk: thanks
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• 1478[10:26:15] <KablammoNick> Having issues with really slow apt-get updates. Have tried a few troubleshooting things locally (different cable, switch port, restarted router), using DietPi's latest image on a Pine64. Kinda stuck as to where to from here, ideas?
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• 1481[10:26:36] <willemb> Is there a special channel for debian-lts?
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• 1483[10:26:50] <KablammoNick> sorry, on jessie. Raspberry Pi 2 on Wheezy working super quick for updates.
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• 1490[10:27:31] <guillaumedc> Hi
• 1491[10:27:53] <guillaumedc> I have a problem qith my term and I don't know how to solve it
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• 1493[10:28:35] <guillaumedc> I use colours in prompt and for commands outputs (such as ls)
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• 1495[10:29:11] <guillaumedc> but when there are colours inside paths, characters are set in bold and the string is cut
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• 1497[10:29:36] <guillaumedc> probably because bold fonts does not have the same weight than regular ones
• 1498[10:29:46] <guillaumedc> do you know how can I fix it?
• 1499[10:30:05] <cybiko123> KablammoNick: Same mirror?
• 1500[10:30:08] <guillaumedc> same width, sorry
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• 1507[10:35:02] <mohammad-ghasemi> what is the package for the standard ml language in debian? thankyou!
• 1508[10:35:07] <KablammoNick> cybiko123: honestly I don't know how to tell. it seems to always refer to ftp.debian.org in the SSH terminal... DietPi is set to use mirrordirector.debian.org by the looks.
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• 1511[10:36:06] <KablammoNick> I was reading how to force it to a different mirror, but not sure if that would break DietPi's own update system.
• 1512[10:36:44] <cybiko123> mirrordirector.debian.org doesn't seem to resolve
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• 1514[10:37:05] <themill> Sounds like raspbian not debian
• 1515[10:37:13] <cybiko123> ^
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• 1518[10:38:03] <themill> (or maybe some other derivative... but not debian)
• 1519[10:38:16] <cybiko123> Are you sure it isn't mirrordirector.raspian.org?
• 1520[10:38:33] <cybiko123> raspbian*
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• 1525[10:40:29] <guillaumedc> Problem solved: it is due to my font used locally on client (SSH). Sorry for the noise.
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• 1527[10:40:55] <KablammoNick> cybiko123: you're correct, i'm an idiot.
• 1528[10:40:59] <KablammoNick> raspbian.
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• 1530[10:41:32] <cybiko123> No worries
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• 1532[10:41:53] <KablammoNick> off to #raspbian with me, thanks.
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• 1558[11:03:47] <jesk> what could be the that ssh -X takes reaaally long until the connection gets established?
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• 1565[11:06:05] <sine0> I want to make an install script to get my server how i like it, over the years I have manually done it soooo many times, my question is does anyone know off the top of their head if the mysql installation can be done blind or with -y because it asks questions during install
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• 1574[11:11:11] <babilen> sine0: I would recommend to look into tools such as SaltStack or ansible for that
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• 1580[11:12:32] <jelly> propellor !
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• 1583[11:13:40] <jelly> sine0: you can preseed its debconf questions with answers I guess (mysql root password, and that stuff)
• 1584[11:13:47] <jelly> !preseed
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• 1586[11:13:47] <dpkg> [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See replaced-url
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• 1588[11:14:23] <jelly> erh. The same prefilling of debconf database can also work after installation.
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• 1595[11:19:31] <pingfloyd> like this: sudo debconf-set-selections <<< 'mysql-server-5.6 mysql-server/root_password password your_password';sudo debconf-set-selections <<< 'mysql-server-5.6 mysql-server/root_password_again password your_password'; sudo apt-get -y install mysql-server
• 1596[11:19:53] <pingfloyd> follow the same logic for any other debconf selection you want to set
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• 1602[11:26:14] <sine0> ok babilen and jelly thanks for that ino
• 1603[11:26:15] <sine0> info
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• 1631[11:50:17] <KennyTalker> Foreskin Amputation-History & Ramifications [Urban Jungle Girl]
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• 1634[11:50:31] <KennyTalker> replaced-url
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• 1646[11:57:31] <Idiosyncratic> Ok, did someone just break ncmpcpp in sid?
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• 1664[12:08:46] <dullbozwr> "Your worst enemy is not Jews, White Man, but your own females.” -- Andrew Anglin, publisher of the #1 Alt Right website
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• 1667[12:10:34] <wibrt> any good suggestions for migrating from evolution to thunderbird (maildir++ (with subdirs/maps) > mbox) ?
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• 1674[12:12:04] <jim> (I know... offtopic... but,) any brasilian speakers can help out for a minute on ##linux?
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• 1677[12:12:49] <jim> no need to reply, just join us if you're willing to help
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• 1716[12:29:54] <yottanami> I want to create a file on current directory that is `drwxr-xr-x 5 replaced-url
• 1717[12:29:57] <boxrick1> Good morning, I am trying to set up a RAID 1 - MDADM volume in my preseed file between the first 2 disks on my system. Is there a simple way of doing this someone can point me at as an example.
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• 1719[12:30:35] <yottanami> but the current user is member of replaced-url
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• 1764[13:00:51] <kidney_thief_> hi, does anyone have problems with hibernation resume on latest testing kernel (4.7.0)?
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• 1843[13:58:23] <Idiosyncratic> When rebuilding a .deb package, how do I pass the -j4 flag?
• 1844[13:58:44] <Idiosyncratic> Gah, nevermind
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• 1935[14:39:44] <Ooze> I'm trying to list files with a creation date of today, so far I've got
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• 1938[14:39:47] <Ooze> find /media/michigan/Music/ -type f -exec ls -ltr "{}" +;
• 1939[14:40:01] <Ooze> How can I adjust this so I can filter out folders created on Oct 4?
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• 1942[14:41:25] <themill> creation date won't fly; modification time (mtime) find can do directly
• 1943[14:41:31] <Zer0Pings> Ooze: ls -lhp | grep $(date <configs so it prints out Oct 4)
• 1944[14:41:34] <Ooze> That works too
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• 1948[14:43:07] <themill> parsing the output of ls is a mug's game
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• 1951[14:44:18] <Ooze> So now I've got 'ls -lhp /media/michigan/Music/ | grep Oct', how can I define the day?
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• 1954[14:44:39] <Zer0Pings> Ooze: append 4 lol
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• 1956[14:45:03] <Zer0Pings> ls -lh /media/michigan/Music/ | grep "Oct 4"
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• 1959[14:45:35] <Ooze> That doesn't yield anything, but if I do just Oct I see an Oct 4
• 1960[14:45:57] <themill> Ooze: what are you actually wanting to achieve here btw?
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• 1962[14:46:20] <Ooze> Trying to parse today's downloaded music files into beet, my music library tool
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• 1964[14:46:42] <themill> So you want files only and things modified today?
• 1965[14:47:01] <Ooze> Yes
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• 1967[14:47:16] <Ooze> Well, directories would actually be preferred I think
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• 1969[14:47:31] <themill> you said earlier you wanted to remove them?
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• 1971[14:47:59] <Ooze> replaced-url
• 1972[14:48:01] <themill> Please don't try parsing the output of ls, it will end badly. Use the tools that are designed for this task. find . -daystart -mtime -1 -type d
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• 1976[14:49:15] <marcoNL> I'm trying to set up a system where I can put a mac address in a configuration on a tftp server and have that system select a installation via pxe that is selected from the mac address of the client.
• 1977[14:49:29] <marcoNL> can someone point me in the right direction, or isn't this possible at all?
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• 1988[14:52:48] <Somelauw> Is there a simple keylogger in the standard repositories to improve my workflow? Find out which keys I use most often?
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• 1993[14:55:18] <marcoNL> Nice political way to ask how to install a keylogger on your partners workstation... ;-)
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• 1995[14:56:20] <Somelauw> that would be their fault for always running as root
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• 1997[14:56:28] <Ooze> themill, how can I run that command and exclude the current directory in the output?
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• 2000[14:57:17] <themill> Ooze: assuming you don't have any .directories, "find *" instead
• 2001[14:57:51] <Ooze> gotcha
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• 2004[14:58:20] <themill> or skip the first entry. Do be careful with all these paths with spaces in them...
• 2005[14:58:25] <Ooze> So I need to pipe the results of that into 'beet import [output]'
• 2006[14:58:48] <themill> it accepts a list on stdin?
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• 2009[14:59:13] <tobiasBora> Hello,
• 2010[14:59:16] <themill> it assumes that the paths are \n delimited? I look forward to breaking that...
• 2011[14:59:38] <tobiasBora> I bough for 2$ an adaptator Kontron (Industrial Computer Source / ICS Advent) DM9601 Fast Ethernet Adapter
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• 2013[14:59:51] <themill> Ooze: or is it actually wanting a list of command line options?
• 2014[15:01:08] <tobiasBora> It works pretty well under debian, but when I use speedtest to test my connection I cannot reach more than 5Mbps in both download and upload, while with my ethernet card I can jump to 15Mbps in download and more than 98Mbps in upload (the night I can even reach 98Mbps in both download and upload).
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• 2021[15:02:49] <tobiasBora> Since this Usb <--> Ethernet adapter is supposed to run at 100Mbps (and indeed ethtools gives me "Speed: 100Mb/s, Duplex: Full"), I don't understand why I can't reach more than 5Mbps.
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• 2024[15:03:30] <newbsduser> hello guys. i deleted a folder with: rm -fr 2016/
• 2025[15:03:37] <newbsduser> is there a way to recover files
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• 2027[15:03:46] <newbsduser> :( without unmount file system...
• 2028[15:03:49] <newbsduser> it s a vps on linde
• 2029[15:03:51] <newbsduser> linode
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• 2034[15:05:31] <izua> tobiasBora: because regular USB2 has like 480Mbps total speed, and with the protocol overhead and whatnot you _might_ reach around half of that
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• 2037[15:06:11] <izua> ethtools can only show you the flags the NIC reports, it doesn't mean that's the max speed you will reach
• 2038[15:06:25] <tobiasBora> izua: I don't follow you : 480Mbs (even divided by 2) is much greater than 100Mbps right ?
• 2039[15:06:32] <themill> newbsduser: think of this as a way of checking how good your backups are
• 2040[15:06:34] <izua> also, most usb-eth adapters I ran into were shitty
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• 2042[15:06:53] <izua> the only good one I have is some USB3-gigabit one. It doesn't do gigabit, but it does somewhere in the range of 40MBps
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• 2044[15:07:00] <izua> it should, you'd imagine it that way
• 2045[15:07:03] <izua> but idk
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• 2047[15:07:28] <newbsduser> there is no backup :8
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• 2049[15:07:50] <themill> well at least you now know why you should have one
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• 2051[15:08:14] <newbsduser> i losted 1 month data
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• 2053[15:08:19] <newbsduser> :((((
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• 2056[15:08:44] <newbsduser> i think ext4 should support rollback
• 2057[15:08:46] <newbsduser> operation
• 2058[15:08:48] <tobiasBora> newbsduser: Why can't you remount it using things like mount -o remount,ro /dev/sdX1 ?
• 2059[15:09:03] <newbsduser> it is rootfs of vps
• 2060[15:09:19] <newbsduser> production system
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• 2062[15:09:45] <TomTomTosch> there are things like extundelete, no guarantees, though.
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• 2065[15:11:28] <TomTomTosch> not on a mounted partition, though.
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• 2069[15:12:12] <Ooze> themill, each on a new line
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• 2071[15:12:38] <izua> newbsduser: if you wrote to that fs in the meantime
• 2072[15:12:45] <izua> you can consider that data gone
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• 2074[15:13:03] <puke> Vomit puke hurl
• 2075[15:13:16] <puke> barf, blow chunks, toss cookies
• 2076[15:13:19] <tobiasBora> izua: So a NIC can agreed with an access point to connect with 100Mbps, but speak with a lower rate ?
• 2077[15:13:44] <izua> tobiasBora: ofc
• 2078[15:13:48] <izua> if half of your packets drop
• 2079[15:13:58] <petn-randall> puke: Do you have a Debian support question? If not, please be quiet.
• 2080[15:14:09] <izua> or for some reason, it waits for the usb host to send data, which it does slowly
• 2081[15:14:16] <izua> it will still put each packet at 100MBps
• 2082[15:14:19] <izua> Mbps*
• 2083[15:14:21] <puke> gag, wretch
• 2084[15:14:26] <puke> spew, heave, chunder
• 2085[15:14:26] <izua> but it will do so, say, every second
• 2086[15:14:44] <izua> one packet, wait, one more packet, etc; thus the total overall speed will decrease
• 2087[15:14:49] <izua> if it's waiting for some buffer to fill, for example
• 2088[15:14:51] <tobiasBora> izua: Hum ok it's clearer now.
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• 2090[15:15:04] <izua> if it's a $10 converter, it will be shitty
• 2091[15:15:14] <tobiasBora> izua: It's a $2 converter
• 2092[15:15:17] <izua> the only advantage of those is that you can easily change mac addresses
• 2093[15:15:27] <izua> some NICs won't allow that easily
• 2094[15:15:29] <izua> _some_
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• 2098[15:16:26] <tobiasBora> izua: For 2$ It's not a big pain, and 5Mbps is not too bad. But I'm curious to see if the speed is the same on Windows.
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• 2101[15:17:11] <izua> there are a lots of issues with usb/eth thingies
• 2102[15:17:21] <izua> i'm not sure of the driver specifics, but most drivers do polling
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• 2104[15:17:42] <izua> there's an isochronous mode (like for studio grade audio gear) but even like that, it will be slow
• 2105[15:17:49] <izua> so i'd rather just use the onboard ones
• 2106[15:18:03] <themill> Ooze: the man page seems to indicate it should be given on the command line not on stdin
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• 2112[15:20:26] <tobiasBora> izua: But usb is interesting for two things : when your ethernet plug is broken (it's the case of a friend), and when you have only one ethernet cable and you want to use it as a rooter/firewall (things I would like to study later). But maybe playing with tag vlan can allow me to use only one ethernet card...
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• 2115[15:21:40] <izua> haha
• 2116[15:21:42] <izua> true
• 2117[15:21:54] <izua> if you want to play with networking though
• 2118[15:21:58] <izua> you might consider a dedicated box or a vm
• 2119[15:22:04] <izua> much more satisfying to see actual traffic
• 2120[15:22:07] <tobiasBora> newbsduser: I you use "fuser -v -m /", kill/stop every process that use it, and then run /bin/mount -no remount,ro /dev/sda2 ?
• 2121[15:22:16] <izua> some routers also have linux on them, or can get a version of it, like ddw-rt
• 2122[15:22:27] <Ooze> themill, Oh okay, so I should export it to a file and somehow pull from there?
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• 2124[15:22:44] <tobiasBora> (the -n option is used to avoid write in /etc/mtab)
• 2125[15:22:45] <hellyeah> anyone use brackets.io here?
• 2126[15:23:02] <newbsduser> tobiasBora: i ll use dd if of over ssh
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• 2130[15:23:37] <tobiasBora> newbsduser: Ok. dd can work with mounted devices in reading ?
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• 2132[15:24:22] <themill> Ooze: no, find has an -exec option for you
• 2133[15:24:37] <themill> !using find
• 2134[15:24:38] <dpkg> somebody said using find was replaced-url
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• 2136[15:24:39] <newbsduser> iam not sure about that tobiasBora
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• 2138[15:27:12] <newbsduser> ssh kale "dd if=/dev/sda | gzip -1 -" | dd of=sda.gz
• 2139[15:27:19] <newbsduser> tried to get remote backup to local disk
• 2140[15:27:21] <tobiasBora> izua: a VM ? how could it solve this problem ?
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• 2143[15:28:08] <izua> it won't. you just said you wnt to play with networking
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• 2147[15:29:20] <KB3VGW> hey guys
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• 2149[15:29:24] <KB3VGW> having a issue
• 2150[15:29:43] <KB3VGW> ' lsmod | grep -q snd_foo
• 2151[15:30:12] <KB3VGW> echo $? only shows 1 when there are 2 sound cards
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• 2153[15:30:53] <Ooze> themill, Do something like 'find /media/michigan/Music/* -daystart -mtime -1 -type d -exec beet import "{}";
• 2154[15:30:53] <Ooze> ' ??
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• 2156[15:31:37] <themill> Ooze: I'd end in + not ; as it can import multiple paths at once. Also it would have to be \; not ; so the shell doesn't eat it anyway
• 2157[15:31:57] <teraflops> oh beets ♥
• 2158[15:32:06] <KB3VGW> pi@your-repeater:~ $ lsusb
• 2159[15:32:06] <KB3VGW> Bus 001 Device 010: ID 0d8c:000c C-Media Electronics, Inc. Audio Adapter
• 2160[15:32:06] <KB3VGW> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0d8c:000c C-Media Electronics, Inc. Audio Adapter
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• 2163[15:33:28] <hellyeah> i need help
• 2164[15:33:55] <KB3VGW> I need a way to detect the sound cards and list them in bash
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• 2166[15:34:28] <hellyeah> i have to install brackets.io
• 2167[15:34:37] <Ooze> harley@reagan:~$ find /media/michigan/Music/* -daystart -mtime -1 -type d -exec beet import "{}"+
• 2168[15:34:37] <Ooze> find: missing argument to `-exec'
• 2169[15:34:41] <Ooze> Am I stupid?
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• 2175[15:35:52] <petemc> Ooze: you dont need to quote {}, also put a space after it, like so: {} +
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• 2177[15:36:07] <teraflops> KB3VGW: mind sharing the output of `head -1 /etc/os-release` ?
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• 2180[15:37:52] <Ooze> Groovy, it works
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• 2190[15:40:03] <tobiasBora> izua: Oh ok. Well yes I already played a bit with VM and DNS/LDAP/other funny things before, and VM are really usefull for that !
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• 2202[15:43:52] <jhutchins> KB3VGW: Your command doesn't do what you think it does.
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• 2204[15:44:15] <KB3VGW> ok
• 2205[15:44:16] <jhutchins> KB3VGW: The lsmod ... echo one.
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• 2207[15:45:05] <KB3VGW> let me paste what I have
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• 2209[15:46:30] <jhutchins> KB3VGW: What's wrong with lsusb?
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• 2211[15:47:23] <KB3VGW> it does the same thing
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• 2213[15:47:40] <jhutchins> KB3VGW: Check the EXIT STATUS portion of man grep.
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• 2235[15:56:28] <KB3VGW> ok so aplay -l shows card 0 and card 1
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• 2238[15:56:44] <KB3VGW> so th idea is to grab the nmbr of cards and then generate a menu option
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• 2240[15:57:19] <KB3VGW> replaced-url
• 2241[15:57:30] <KB3VGW> so then this has a issue
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• 2249[16:00:00] <KB3VGW> jhutchins, thats the code
• 2250[16:00:15] <KB3VGW> it was writen by a coder wthat left we are trying to fix it
• 2251[16:00:28] <KB3VGW> its for a repeaterintefaces
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• 2259[16:03:01] <unborn> :) I love posts like that one lol
• 2260[16:03:27] <teraflops> idk I do not click on pastebin.com links
• 2261[16:04:06] <KB3VGW> jhutchins, any input on this ?
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• 2263[16:04:18] <unborn> teraflops: why not? i mean - i would like to know my self..
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• 2265[16:04:26] <teraflops> also pi@host looks like it's not debian and i looks like he is trying to fix a script s oI wonder how it is debian related
• 2266[16:04:34] <teraflops> s/i/it*
• 2267[16:04:47] <KB3VGW> its debian arm
• 2268[16:04:53] <teraflops> unborn: I already told you
• 2269[16:04:57] <KB3VGW> its a rm device
• 2270[16:05:08] <teraflops> ah the pi@ fooled me
• 2271[16:05:11] <unborn> teraflops: ah js? is that?
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• 2274[16:05:51] <linux__> Hi
• 2275[16:05:58] <linux__> I'm trying run a program by another user but there is an error message says: " /usr/bin/kate: cannot execute binary file " >> I have used this command "su - linux - kate "
• 2276[16:06:22] <linux__> ?
• 2277[16:06:32] <unborn> linux__: permissions?
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• 2279[16:06:40] <unborn> check that
• 2280[16:07:10] <teraflops> unborn: Pastebin.com is swamped with advertisements and random captchas. Malware found on pastebin.com has resulted in it being blocked for some users. It injects CRLF line-endings.
• 2281[16:07:23] <unborn> ah missed the point.. su.. well - speak to dev of that program
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• 2283[16:07:41] <KB3VGW> I use pastebin.ca
• 2284[16:07:44] <KB3VGW> not com
• 2285[16:07:52] <KB3VGW> its cleaner
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• 2287[16:07:59] <MickyW> teraflops: Just saw your remark about pastebin. Would you please explain?
• 2288[16:08:00] <teraflops> same shit I guess
• 2289[16:08:04] <KB3VGW> no
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• 2291[16:08:20] <teraflops> KB3VGW: ok
• 2292[16:08:20] <KB3VGW> no adds
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• 2294[16:08:31] <unborn> teraflops: sure.. I hate it as well.. I was just being curios about my paste which use js for enctyption on fly in browser - like if there is any reason.. yeah I do not use paste bin for very same reason like you.
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• 2297[16:09:18] <KB3VGW> where else to paste then
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• 2301[16:09:31] <unborn> MickyW: which part of teraflops 's post you did not understand? (and why we all use alternatives like own paste bins etc...)
• 2302[16:09:33] <KB3VGW> the pastebin is there for use
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• 2304[16:09:42] <KB3VGW> replaced-url
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• 2306[16:10:07] <unborn> KB3VGW: replaced-url
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• 2308[16:10:13] <MickyW> unborn: Missed that from 16:07. So answer was already given.
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• 2310[16:10:38] <unborn> MickyW: oh.. sorry about that..
• 2311[16:10:43] <teraflops> KB3VGW: the amount of js and also cloudflare shit there (.ca one) is too much for my liking, but yeah I was talking about pastebin.com
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• 2313[16:10:56] <KB3VGW> replaced-url
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• 2316[16:12:19] <KB3VGW> lsmod | grep -q snd_foo
• 2317[16:12:24] <KB3VGW> seems to be the issue
• 2318[16:12:37] <linux__> unborn I entered the password , I have the permission.
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• 2321[16:13:14] <KB3VGW> even with lsusb I get the same
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• 2323[16:13:26] <unborn> is there any reason to use cloudflare shit? many people asking about it.. like if I use it but - what it is really for? like ddoss protection or something?
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• 2325[16:14:38] <unborn> linux__: I already said - aint read your message properly on first time.. you run it as root.. well... its ill advice however if the program does not work for you as it supposed to, feel free to contact dev of that program for support..
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• 2328[16:14:43] <unborn> dev = developer
• 2329[16:14:51] <abrotman> unborn: how is this related to Debian?
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• 2332[16:15:06] <unborn> abrotman: which post ?
• 2333[16:15:18] <abrotman> unborn: AKA, ask #cloudflare
• 2334[16:15:24] <linux__> How I can run a program by another user ?
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• 2336[16:15:34] <unborn> abrotman: ah I see.. it was side note.. sorry
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• 2340[16:15:57] <KB3VGW> ok back to issue at hand getting this code to detect the sound cards correctly
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• 2342[16:16:06] <abrotman> linux__: su,sudo,sux,gksu .. ton's of ways
• 2343[16:16:10] <abrotman> tons ..
• 2344[16:16:14] <linux__> " su -user "command" " <<< Is it true ?
• 2345[16:16:16] <abrotman> !apostrophesmite me
• 2346[16:16:17] * dpkg smite's abrotman with a plague of extraneous apostrophe's.
• 2347[16:16:29] <abrotman> linux__: su - user "commad"
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• 2352[16:17:29] <linux__> ok , but I got this message : " /usr/bin/kate: cannot execute binary file"
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• 2354[16:17:46] <linux__> ?
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• 2356[16:18:33] <unborn> linux__: I would still suggest to contact the dev of that program.. if it will not run as root then it wont run as an any user.
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• 2364[16:19:52] <linux__> unborn the programe is kate .
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• 2367[16:20:16] <unborn> linux__: yeah I did realised that already
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• 2372[16:20:54] <themill> Don't run kate as root; don't try running X programs as other users like that
• 2373[16:20:55] <linux__> I can't run any program by other user .
• 2374[16:21:46] <unborn> woah - im out :D
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• 2376[16:22:06] <KB3VGW> you should use xdm
• 2377[16:22:25] <teraflops> really?
• 2378[16:22:33] <stoned> xdm > win
• 2379[16:22:45] <stoned> simple, easy, fast. no fuss, no muss
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• 2385[16:23:29] <teraflops> ಠ_ಠ
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• 2389[16:24:59] <KB3VGW> whats the best way with aplay -l to grab the nmbr of cards
• 2390[16:25:01] <KB3VGW> I know it does card 0 and card 1
• 2391[16:25:22] <KB3VGW> but I need to get this code working
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• 2393[16:25:49] <KB3VGW> this guy left the code and left the project
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• 2395[16:26:04] <unborn> KB3VGW: - the reason?
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• 2399[16:26:20] <unborn> im sure he did not left it alone for no reason.. :)
• 2400[16:26:20] <KB3VGW> as it is its only listing 1 sound card
• 2401[16:27:01] <KB3VGW> he left becuase he no longer had time to work on the project
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• 2403[16:27:17] <KB3VGW> its opensource
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• 2405[16:28:42] <KB3VGW> his job an other things got in the way
• 2406[16:28:42] <KB3VGW> replaced-url
• 2407[16:28:45] <themill> It looks like the sort of code that would make sane people shove knives into toasters
• 2408[16:29:00] <unborn> KB3VGW: - bollox.. (I am hoping I will not get banned for this) - true - devs loves opensourced projects.. where else you can get top star glimpse out then on open sourced project! - can you give us link to repo of your opensourced private (or be it public - on github) repos? code would help..
• 2409[16:29:54] <nkuttler> wasn't there a package that runs some scripts depending on which network i just connect to?
• 2410[16:30:03] <unborn> in end of the day - we are all open sourced here
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• 2412[16:30:33] <themill> nkuttler: whereami (hooks from ifupdown or n-m can also do this easily enough)
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• 2414[16:31:01] <nkuttler> themill: thanks
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• 2419[16:31:56] <KB3VGW> unborn gitbub.com/kb3vgw/
• 2420[16:32:10] <KB3VGW> all the code for the projeccts are there
• 2421[16:32:35] <KB3VGW> anything thats svxlink releated
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• 2425[16:32:46] <KB3VGW> is what I am working on
• 2426[16:33:05] <unborn> KB3VGW: well.. it gives me adverts.. not even links to your 'open sourced' profile.. im sorry - can you give out proper git link out?
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• 2429[16:33:33] <themill> s/b/h, fairly obviously
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• 2432[16:35:56] <th0r> KB3VGW, you misspelled github
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• 2434[16:36:27] <unborn> th0r: its obvious.... let him to correct it :)
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• 2436[16:36:48] <KB3VGW> lol
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• 2438[16:37:02] <KB3VGW> fat fingers
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• 2441[16:37:26] <th0r> KB3VGW, kd5tqy
• 2442[16:38:08] <KB3VGW> replaced-url
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• 2450[16:40:05] <iamawesome> i A libcanberra-gtk-module - translates GTK+ widgets signals to event sounds
• 2451[16:40:11] <iamawesome> What doess A mean?
• 2452[16:40:21] <abrotman> iamawesome: man dpkg
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• 2455[16:40:48] <abrotman> sorry, probably man aptitude in that case
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• 2457[16:41:35] <unborn> KB3VGW: now we are talking.. well.. - i strongly suggest you to contact dev kate or your dev.. really I do
• 2458[16:41:41] <KB3VGW> the dir with the working menu I am working on is Svxlink-Menu
• 2459[16:41:42] <KB3VGW> kd5tqy nice to meet you
• 2460[16:41:42] <KB3VGW> we developed 2 reperter interface boards
• 2461[16:41:43] <KB3VGW> and this menu is to help configure them
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• 2463[16:41:48] <iamawesome> Automatically installed?
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• 2465[16:42:13] <themill> yes
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• 2477[16:45:21] <KB3VGW> I maintain most the code
• 2478[16:45:22] <KB3VGW> other people add items
• 2479[16:45:23] <KB3VGW> like the sound function
• 2480[16:45:24] <KB3VGW> but the guy left as he had no more time to help and now I am left to fix it
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• 2482[16:45:43] <sm00th> hello all
• 2483[16:45:54] <izua> hi2u2
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• 2495[16:49:54] <hmpf1> Hello everybody.
• 2496[16:49:54] <hmpf1> What would be the best way to control network settings (like dhcp, link local , static) from within an application.
• 2497[16:50:23] <hmpf1> the application does not run a root. setting the ip,mask, gateway may work with capabilities.
• 2498[16:50:38] <hmpf1> but dhcpcd (for example) need to be run as root as well.
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• 2502[16:51:57] <teraflops> you mean something like network manager?
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• 2504[16:52:20] <hmpf1> basically. i have a non-gui embedded system.
• 2505[16:52:21] <DelphiWorld> hello debianists
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• 2507[16:52:30] <DelphiWorld> for whois, the .pro domain whois server is old.
• 2508[16:52:30] <teraflops> hmpf1: use nmtui then
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• 2510[16:52:34] <DelphiWorld> it should be updated
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• 2514[16:52:54] <greycat> DelphiWorld: file a bug report
• 2515[16:53:16] <DelphiWorld> ok greycat
• 2516[16:53:16] <DelphiWorld> thx
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• 2519[16:54:21] <hmpf1> i want to control from within the application. in c. nmtui seems like an interactive cli tool.
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• 2521[16:54:46] <teraflops> hmpf1: sorry I dont get the *application* bit
• 2522[16:54:57] <greycat> I think he's trying to write his very *own* nmtui.
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• 2525[16:55:25] <teraflops> hmpf1: nm-cli then
• 2526[16:55:29] * greycat has never used NM before, does not want to, and has no idea how it works. Does nmtui communicate with a daemon?
• 2527[16:55:59] <teraflops> hmpf1: anyway I dont get what you want so I'm going for more coffee
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• 2530[16:56:15] <TomTomTosch> KB3VGW: why do you bother with the sound card and don't use something that is higher level? debian uses pulseaudio by default and libs like gstreamer lave modules that autodetect the sound server.
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• 2532[16:56:30] <teraflops> greycat: nmtui is like nm-applet thingy but cli
• 2533[16:56:34] <TomTomTosch> s/lave/have/
• 2534[16:56:44] <KB3VGW> os
• 2535[16:56:44] <KB3VGW> so
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• 2537[16:56:55] <greycat> teraflops: which might make sense if I knew how nm-applet worked
• 2538[16:57:01] <teraflops> ah heh
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• 2545[16:58:56] <hmpf1> ok, some more context: my own process is running and controls the whole device. user interaction with a touch screen. the user can switch between static ip, dhcp with link local, and dhcp with a fallback to a static ip.
• 2546[16:58:56] <hmpf1> the whole thing is embedded, so I would not mind keeping it small.
• 2547[16:58:57] <teraflops> greycat: if you can see little videos replaced-url
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• 2549[16:59:26] <hmpf1> that process has no root rights. does nmcli work anyway?
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• 2551[16:59:44] <abrotman> greycat: someday, you'll have to give up your 10Base2
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• 2554[17:00:13] <greycat> teraflops: I'm not interested in how the little blinky lights work. I just want to know whether the applet runs with elevated privileges so that it can diddle the interfaces itself, or if it just communicates with a daemon that does it.
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• 2558[17:00:54] <teraflops> greycat: NM runs as daemon, so yes it's an inteface
• 2559[17:00:55] <KB3VGW> because this is base debian only no gui desktop
• 2560[17:00:59] <teraflops> interface*
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• 2562[17:01:03] <KB3VGW> alsa
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• 2564[17:01:21] <KB3VGW> its kept bsaic and clean
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• 2568[17:01:48] <greycat> So the answer for hmpf1 is to figure out the communication protocol that the nm-* interfaces use to tell the daemon which wires to cross
• 2569[17:02:06] <teraflops> hence nm-cli for non interactive
• 2570[17:02:18] <teraflops> (I guess)
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• 2572[17:02:30] <greycat> Or to make system() calls to this nm-cli thing, possibly.
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• 2575[17:02:42] <hmpf1> i would still have to use system() call. knowing the ipc would make that nicer.
• 2576[17:03:15] <KB3VGW> adding pulse and other stuff would cluster it and make it harder to maintain
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• 2579[17:03:41] <KB3VGW> I will read on pulse in a min
• 2580[17:03:44] <KB3VGW> and see
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• 2582[17:04:27] <unborn> ......guys you are chasing the rabbit in hole.. no one realised that from code?
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• 2607[17:08:47] <hmpf1> well, i'll dive into nmcli a bit. thanks for the input.
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• 2614[17:10:22] <TomTomTosch> KB3VGW: my point wasn't about using pulse. it was about using a higher level lib to play sound. if i understood you problem, that is.
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• 2616[17:11:56] <teraflops> only OSS support for that ancient hamradio thingy
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• 2649[17:22:41] <docmur> I have a server running debian 7 where I want to remap the left and right CTRL keys to higher up keys like F<1-9>, how do I do this, in the terminal only.
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• 2651[17:23:14] <tgunr> getting the hang of nftables and liking it
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• 2655[17:23:41] <greycat> docmur: you literally walk up to the server and stand in front of it and login on the Linux console? Not ssh?
• 2656[17:23:43] <tgunr> sooo much easier than iptables
• 2657[17:24:18] <docmur> I'm logged in via SSH, which I just realized means I probably asked the wrong question. BUT once I ssh in via the terminal, does the server take over the keymap, OR is it still process via the clienet system
• 2658[17:24:29] <greycat> Also, how are you going to press Ctrl-C or Ctrl-Z or Ctrl-D or some other *very important* control key sequence if you remap both of the Ctrl keys?
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• 2662[17:24:49] <greycat> Oh good, you're not ACTUALLY on the console. You're on ssh. So the question is completely moot.
• 2663[17:24:50] <teraflops> tgunr: the lack of documentation is a bit annoying though
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• 2666[17:25:02] <tgunr> yes, it was
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• 2668[17:25:13] <docmur> The problem is, is that I have a keyboard with dead CTRL keys, it's really annoying, so apart from running out right now to get a new keyboard, I just want to remap those two keys
• 2669[17:25:17] <Zewwy> anyone know how to join the cyanogenmod channel?
• 2670[17:25:28] <teraflops> try /join?
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• 2672[17:25:36] <tgunr> i particuraly like having the ability to specify multiple targets
• 2673[17:25:38] <Zewwy> well duh
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• 2676[17:25:51] <Zewwy> #cyanogenmod Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
• 2677[17:26:01] <greycat> docmur: So it's NOTHING AT ALL to do with the server. You want to change your CLIENT (window manager, desktop environment, terminal emulator, *some* layer on the *client* system where your *keyboard is*).
• 2678[17:26:02] <teraflops> tgunr: yeah I think is more human readable too
• 2679[17:26:11] <tgunr> much
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• 2681[17:26:31] <greycat> docmur: If you are using X on this client, you can do it with xmodmap.
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• 2683[17:26:41] <Zewwy> That error message to me is like the "PC load letter" message was to Micheal Bolton
• 2684[17:26:43] <docmur> Ah okay
• 2685[17:26:45] <docmur> :)
• 2686[17:26:47] <docmur> thanks :)
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• 2689[17:27:16] <teraflops> Zewwy: ah register your nick
• 2690[17:27:31] <Zewwy> thanks
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• 2692[17:28:04] <tgunr> I personally was coming from mac (ipfw) and cisco and not a lot of experience with iptables, figured i might as well learn nftables as it is the likely successor
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• 2695[17:29:25] <tgunr> The iptables-compat-restore didn't work very well for me though
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• 2697[17:29:48] <teraflops> never used that thing so i have no idea
• 2698[17:30:06] <tgunr> oh and, figuing out the logging was a RPITA also
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• 2700[17:30:47] <tgunr> took me forever to realize I had to rerstart the syslog-ng after setting up the /proc crap
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• 2702[17:31:10] <KB3VGW> is kate around
• 2703[17:31:11] <KB3VGW> dev kate
• 2704[17:31:11] <KB3VGW> I need to get this sound issue fixed
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• 2708[17:32:39] <tgunr> anyone have experience in putting debian on a MacPro? I just found out my trusty MacPro3,1 is at EOL for OS updates so Im thinking of turning it into a deb server
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• 2726[17:39:20] <Guest99915> linux is for bitches and dumb ones at that : replaced-url
• 2727[17:39:27] <Guest99915> long live BSD
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• 2729[17:39:36] <angevin> :P
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• 2731[17:39:59] <greycat> Consider filing a bug report against systemd if you know of an exploit that can crash it.
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• 2733[17:40:31] <angevin> greycat: consider switching to FreeBSD and OpenBSD since linux is for mentally retarded chimpanzees
• 2734[17:40:38] <greycat> OK, I will consider this.
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• 2738[17:41:28] <angevin> everyone warned this kind of thing would happen with systemd
• 2739[17:41:37] <angevin> now it is happening
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• 2742[17:42:01] <OerHeks> angevin the 'dumb' one is who wrote that article, and did a full disclosure of that bug.
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• 2744[17:43:12] <abrotman> and you fed the troll .. congrats
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• 2746[17:43:46] <greycat> Only one occurrence of CVE on that page, and it isn't a link to an actual CVE. Sad.
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• 2752[17:46:53] <cybrNaut> unborn: CloudFlare positions itself as DDoS protection, but it's evil on many levels. Incompetently implemented. CloudFlare blocks legit traffic, forces captchas on visitors to your site including those with disabilities that prevent them solving them. A better place to consult about cloudflare is #crypto.
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• 2754[17:47:52] <teraflops> cybrNaut: s/DDoS protection/MITM
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• 2759[17:51:09] <cybrNaut> indeed
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• 2767[17:54:11] <jair> hello
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• 2770[17:54:55] <jair> do you guys know what I cannot send messages to #ubuntu #debian works perfectly fine I have a log in registered with freenode and I have always used in the past
• 2771[17:55:20] <jair> it is showing this: jair> hello
• 2772[17:55:20] <jair> 00:50 -!- #ubuntu Cannot send to channel
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• 2774[17:55:54] <teraflops> jair: try pm to an op
• 2775[17:56:01] <teraflops> jair: or ask in #freenode
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• 2778[17:56:13] <jair> alright thanks
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• 2833[18:12:20] <jair> hello everyone
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• 2843[18:15:21] <jair> I have a X1 carbon laptop running ubuntu xenial, and I am wondering if I can make a bluetooth adapter work with my mouse
• 2844[18:15:54] <jair> I have a bluetooth mouse that does not need a receiver, it can connect with any bluetooth device
• 2845[18:16:00] <somiaj> jair: why are you asking here, you know you should be asking in #ubuntu. Their channel just requires you have a registered nic. /msg nickserv help
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• 2849[18:16:17] <jair> ohhh so sorry I thought I was in ubuntu
• 2850[18:16:22] <jair> going there sorry sorry
• 2851[18:16:25] <jair> bye
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• 2860[18:21:23] <linux__> Hi
• 2861[18:21:25] <linux__> How I can run a program by another user ?
• 2862[18:21:27] <linux__> ?
• 2863[18:22:22] <somiaj> linux__: sudo or su
• 2864[18:23:29] <linux__> I can't run kate by another user , How I can ?
• 2865[18:23:59] <linux__> what is the command ?
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• 2870[18:26:44] <petn-randall> linux__: 'man su'
• 2871[18:27:16] <teraflops> what's kate?
• 2872[18:27:17] <linux__> If I execute this command I get an error : "sudo -u linux kate"
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• 2876[18:28:13] <linux__> kate is a text editor in KDE
• 2877[18:28:20] <somiaj> linux__: problem with running kate as another user is that user needs to have access to the xorg server.
• 2878[18:28:29] <somiaj> linux__: maybe try a console based editor instead.
• 2879[18:28:40] <somiaj> linux__: nano is installed by default, and there are others like vim, emacs, etc
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• 2883[18:29:25] <mtn> linux__: for gui apps, you need to use gksudo appname
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• 2889[18:30:40] <linux__> what is the command that I should write ?
• 2890[18:30:59] <podbay> Hi. Any recommendations for a debian-packaged wiki software that works well with nginx and offers a wysiwyg page editor?
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• 2893[18:31:16] <mtn> linux__: check out man gksudo, see if any help there
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• 2895[18:31:49] <linux__> The program 'gksudo' is currently not installed.
• 2896[18:32:02] <mtn> linux__: guess what? install it ;)
• 2897[18:32:03] <teraflops> i wonder if there's a kdesu thingy
• 2898[18:32:08] <linux__> I'm using KDE
• 2899[18:32:27] <mtn> linux__: ok, then like teraflops said, use kdesu or similar
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• 2912[18:37:45] <linux__> I found the solution here : replaced-url
• 2913[18:37:53] <linux__> Thank you all .
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• 2935[18:43:05] <okami_> hello
• 2936[18:43:17] <okami_> just testing polari, sorry :D
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• 2960[18:54:04] <jxcl> hey all, I just installed debian 8.6 on a system with a recent network card which is only supported in the newer kernels
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• 2963[18:54:29] <jxcl> so I installed without configuring the network. I've now updated the kernel to the latest version and I'm wondering how I can configure the network without the installer
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• 2966[18:55:24] <greycat> The simplest config (ethernet, DHCP) is to put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" lines in /etc/network/interfaces
• 2967[18:55:34] <greycat> Anything more complex, you'll have to tell us what you need.
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• 2977[18:57:31] <jxcl> greycat, that worked, thanks!
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• 2982[18:58:38] <farakat> hey I'm having an issue with wine with bad exe error
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• 2986[19:01:04] <farakat> I wonder if it's because of wine stable in debian
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• 2988[19:01:26] <farakat> I'm trying to run rufus in Debian, But there seems like no alternative like SUSE imagewriter in Deb
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• 3006[19:06:44] <KB3VGW> this wireless ISP is killing me today
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• 3008[19:07:34] <farakat> disconnecting?
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• 3013[19:10:14] <farakat> o: does Debian have any alternative usb booting software like suse imagewriter
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• 3016[19:13:28] <at0m> imagewriter? copy file.img /dev/sdx ?
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• 3018[19:13:43] <farakat> o: I can just do that
• 3019[19:14:02] <at0m> or dd if=file.img of=/dev/sdx bs=4M
• 3020[19:14:08] <farakat> ah ok
• 3021[19:14:12] <greycat> (they are equivalent)
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• 3024[19:15:07] <at0m> greycat: debian installer advises on cp, but don't ask me for details on that
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• 3035[19:16:06] <at0m> replaced-url
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• 3038[19:16:43] <at0m> there they cat
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• 3040[19:17:05] <farakat> alright I found my usb drive on sdb1
• 3041[19:17:13] <farakat> thanks atom
• 3042[19:17:25] <izua> now to delete your hdd and realise "fuck, my usb pen was sdc1"
• 3043[19:17:34] <at0m> do not dd, cp or cat to sdb1 but to sdb
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• 3046[19:17:48] <at0m> yea make sure you got the right disk first, cos all will be wiped
• 3047[19:17:52] <farakat> oh
• 3048[19:17:56] <farakat> good thing I read that first
• 3049[19:18:19] <at0m> mount it, confirm the stick, umount then ^^^
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• 3053[19:18:57] <farakat> is dmesg only way to find your mount device
• 3054[19:19:09] <at0m> or plain 'mount'
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• 3062[19:22:03] <KB3VGW-> ok still no where with this
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• 3068[19:24:00] <cast> lsblk is a nice way to check what's what
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• 3072[19:24:46] <farakat> yeah sdb sounds like a safe option to format
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• 3075[19:25:14] <farakat> sdb - connected to sdb1 Debian 8.6.0 amd64 that's my bootable usb alright
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• 3137[19:48:00] <hid3> Hello everyone. I've just migrated from Wheezy to Jessie and not I can't get my apache2 with ssl configuration up and running. The browser does not open up the connection and there are complex rewrite rules from http to https so can't check if http is working... Logs don't show anything obvious... Any hints for troubleshooting?
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• 3139[19:48:50] <tgunr> assume nothing, start with basics
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• 3141[19:49:24] <hid3> getting ssl protocol error, at least this is what the browser says
• 3142[19:49:25] <petn-randall> hid3: Does 'apache2ctl -t' throw any errors?
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• 3144[19:49:28] <tgunr> are you listening on the port, are friewall rules in place, etc
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• 3146[19:49:49] <hid3> petn-randall: nope
• 3147[19:49:50] <hid3> replaced-url
• 3148[19:49:51] <petn-randall> hid3: Is there apache2 server actually up and running, and listening on the right ports?
• 3149[19:49:54] <hid3> oops
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• 3155[19:50:07] <hid3> my clipboard does not work
• 3156[19:50:22] <hid3> just says 'Syntax OK'
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• 3158[19:50:45] <tgunr> man apache2ctl
• 3159[19:50:58] <hid3> petn-randall: yes. I can see the processes, as well netstat shows it listening on 80 and 443 ports
• 3160[19:51:24] <petn-randall> hid3: If you run 'wget replaced-url
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• 3162[19:52:22] <hid3> nope, seems like it shows the index
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• 3165[19:52:27] <hid3> It shouldn't, I suppose
• 3166[19:52:36] <petn-randall> hid3: Pay close attention to the URL I wrote.
• 3167[19:52:39] <hid3> as there should be running ssl on that port
• 3168[19:52:44] <hid3> yes, I saw that
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• 3173[19:53:24] <petn-randall> hid3: Inded, you are somehow serving plain HTTP over port 443. So check if your config has all the right settings in that regard. Also check if the ssl module is activated.
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• 3177[19:54:02] <hid3> hm...
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• 3184[19:56:27] <`Kevin> hid3: iirc, sudo apachectl -t -D DUMP_MODULES
• 3185[19:56:38] <`Kevin> ssl listed?
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• 3189[19:57:33] <edoardo> Hello
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• 3194[19:58:14] <edoardo> I'm having some issues with a debian install, the keyboard is completely messed up everywhere but in console (so CTRL+ALT+F# and xterm)
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• 3196[19:58:30] <edoardo> Writing "hello" writes "kh``z"
• 3197[19:58:34] <alphanet> hello, ncal -w on Debian LTS says week 40, and on jessie say week 41, funny?
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• 3201[19:59:08] <hid3> `Kevin: yes, it is. Now I think I will start with fresh ssl config....
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• 3206[20:00:09] <edoardo> It's debian installed from the netinst and with just openbox running
• 3207[20:00:13] <petn-randall> hid3: You probably are just missing the right ssl options in your virtualhost config.
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• 3209[20:00:53] <`Kevin> hid3: sslengine, crt, key under your <virtualhost x.x.x.x:443> should be enough outside of extra cipher options etc for security
• 3210[20:00:57] <`Kevin> x2 ^
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• 3216[20:03:03] <hid3> Okay, looks like I got it up and running now...
• 3217[20:03:10] <hid3> (Thank God and you guys)
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• 3220[20:04:04] <Numb3rz> #programming
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• 3224[20:05:18] <alphanet> (ok, it was a locale problem)
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• 3227[20:05:52] <hid3> not sure what was wrong with the old SSL config. I started with fresh one and transfered important options to new one (e.g. ssl protocols, ssl certificates, directory settings, etc) and it worked.
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• 3235[20:07:32] <ompaul> hid3: I presume you copied all the original stuff to one side?
• 3236[20:07:43] <ompaul> hid3: may I presume you copied all the original stuff to one side?
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• 3238[20:09:27] <ompaul> I'm taking the lack of reply as a no
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• 3261[20:17:51] <hid3> ompaul: sorry, was busy doing some post-upgrade configuration. What do you mean by 'one side'?
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• 3263[20:18:43] <hid3> regarding the ssl config, I just took the relevant options and transfered it to the new config file which came originally with apache 2.4
• 3264[20:18:51] <jhutchins> hid3: Did you keep a bckup of the old config?
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• 3266[20:19:06] <hid3> jhutchins: yes, of course!
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• 3268[20:19:19] <jhutchins> hid3: This would allow you to dif the files and see what changed.
• 3269[20:19:23] <hid3> I did complete /etc directory backup before starting to mess with all of that
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• 3271[20:19:49] <jhutchins> hid3: Well, that's overkill, but that's always good when backing up.
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• 3273[20:20:54] <hid3> yeah, know it's overkill but with this server I wanted to be better safe than sorry
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• 3278[20:21:21] <hid3> after my vacation I'll probably migrate to even driven apache
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• 3291[20:27:52] <PerfDave_> I am trying to ensure that my SSD is set up with TRIM/DISCARD in Debian 8 - I have the SSD, a crypt partition (yes I know about the risks of DISCARD on crypt), LVM on that, and filesystems in LVs. I know that `lsblk -D` shows a DISC-ZERO column which is 0 for all my devices on both my SSD laptop and my spinning rust desktop - what /should/ it look like?
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• 3324[20:42:06] <jhutchins> PerfDave_: If you have a reasonably new SSD you can really just use the standard defaults these days.
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• 3326[20:43:10] <jhutchins> PerfDave_: On an older box I have the following options: ext4 defaults,discard,noatime,nodiratime,errors=remount-ro
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• 3334[20:45:11] <PerfDave_> jhutchins: Standard defaults including no issue_discards in lvm.conf, no discard in crypttab?
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• 3339[20:46:53] <missmbob> hid3: figured it out yet? just got here. this will help. replaced-url
• 3340[20:47:18] <hid3> missmbob: yes, problem solved
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• 3369[20:58:47] <metachr0n> hi everyone, what is the best way to handle a stable system on which i want to install a couple of testing packages?
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• 3371[20:59:06] <greycat> Look for backports. If they don't exist, try to make your own. If you can't make your own, install upstream source code instead.
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• 3375[20:59:27] <metachr0n> i've read everything from defining preferences to setting the default version
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• 3377[20:59:41] <greycat> Stop reading all of that. What is the first package?
• 3378[20:59:51] <metachr0n> taskd
• 3379[20:59:59] <greycat> (All that crap you are reading is "pinning" related. Throw it all away.)
• 3380[21:00:04] <greycat> ,v taskd
• 3381[21:00:05] <judd> Package: taskd on amd64 -- sid: 1.1.0+dfsg-2; stretch: 1.1.0+dfsg-2
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• 3383[21:00:17] <greycat> ,checkbackport taskd
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• 3385[21:00:18] <judd> Backporting package taskd in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
• 3386[21:00:27] <metachr0n> oooh nice
• 3387[21:00:41] <greycat> I have no idea what that is, but there is no backport yet, and the bot thinks a backport MIGHT be possible, but it is often wrong about this.
• 3388[21:01:00] <metachr0n> its basically the server side of taskwarrior
• 3389[21:01:20] <greycat> ,info taskd
• 3390[21:01:21] <judd> No package named 'taskd' was found in jessie/amd64.
• 3391[21:01:26] <greycat> ,info taskd stretch
• 3392[21:01:27] <judd> Package taskd (utils, extra) in stretch/amd64: Synchronisation server for taskwarrior. Version: 1.1.0+dfsg-2; Size: 170.9k; Installed: 577k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 3393[21:01:54] <metachr0n> yep thats the one ... so i can have my todo list priority on all devices
• 3394[21:01:59] * greycat goes to home page, finds sentence: "This allows true syncing between desktop and mobile clients."
• 3395[21:02:14] * greycat closes page
• 3396[21:02:29] <metachr0n> XD
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• 3401[21:02:58] <metachr0n> if i were one of the naturally organized ( read non-add ) folks i wouldn't need such rubbish
• 3402[21:03:05] <metachr0n> maybe we will have wetware for this someday
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• 3405[21:06:28] <metachr0n> thanks for the help btw
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• 3425[21:20:05] <Tsutsukakushi> anyone here know if anyone is planning on making lxd available from the debian repos?
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• 3427[21:20:19] <Tsutsukakushi> searching the mailing lists is kind of hard with such a short name
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• 3432[21:23:31] <Tsutsukakushi> replaced-url
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• 3439[21:24:57] <somiaj> Tsutsukakushi: for building ubuntu packages in debian can be hit or miss depending on how many dependencies you have to deal with.
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• 3444[21:26:23] <ompaul> hid3: what I meant was copy the configuration to a place for further analysis.
• 3445[21:27:21] <Tsutsukakushi> the dependencies don't seem too unusual
• 3446[21:27:27] <hid3> yeah, I've copied it... However, now I'm solving futher problems after upgrade (cacti plugin THOLD stopped working...)
• 3447[21:27:32] <ompaul> jhutchins: post mortems can be very enlightening - they must have a no blame philosophy just a learn philosophy
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• 3456[21:29:19] <hexnewbie> With systemd, how do I make the zfs.ko module be loaded before /home is mounted, so that it doesn't fail and my system boots successfully? I remember I had to add a Depend= line in an empty file somewhere, but I don't remember where, or how that file would be called for a mountpoint
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• 3461[21:30:39] <hellyeah> i connect my laptop to big screen with hdmi
• 3462[21:30:48] <hellyeah> now i have some problems about display
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• 3467[21:33:57] <hellyeah> i didnt see the border of app in second screen
• 3468[21:34:00] <hellyeah> how can i fix that
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• 3470[21:36:03] <hellyeah> i fixed that
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• 3472[21:37:05] <r0ck_> guys, how do I make debian to connect to the internet when user did not log in yet?
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• 3474[21:37:16] <r0ck_> I do use jessie with gnome
• 3475[21:37:17] <r0ck_> ?
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• 3477[21:37:48] <r0ck_> can gdm connect without user being logged in first?
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• 3486[21:41:54] <greycat> r0ck_: what are you trying to do?
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• 3490[21:42:55] <missmbob> r0ck_: Simply go in Network Manager / Edit Connection. select your connection, click Edit and check "Available to all users".
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• 3492[21:43:17] <missmbob> if i deciphered what you meant :P
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• 3494[21:44:18] <r0ck_> missmbob: thats correct
• 3495[21:44:37] <r0ck_> but if there are connection for example when my guys are at home
• 3496[21:44:40] <r0ck_> at their local network?
• 3497[21:44:48] <r0ck_> i can do that in office missmbob
• 3498[21:44:54] <r0ck_> but when their pcs are at home?
• 3499[21:45:05] <r0ck_> and I have to connect and do some stuff?
• 3500[21:45:12] <r0ck_> it has autossh reverse tunnel
• 3501[21:45:20] <r0ck_> but it wont start until the user logs in
• 3502[21:45:27] <missmbob> i dont understand you. sorry.
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• 3507[21:45:50] <r0ck_> I have 6pcs that are used by my employees, each runs debian jessie
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• 3510[21:46:01] <r0ck_> I just restarted one pc
• 3511[21:46:04] <r0ck_> and cannot log in anymore
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• 3514[21:46:10] <steventog> ahh it's a wonderful day
• 3515[21:46:17] <r0ck_> because it doesnt connect to the wifi or eth since the user didnt log in
• 3516[21:46:42] <missmbob> right. change the network manager setting i said and it should work even after reboot without logging in
• 3517[21:46:56] <r0ck_> missmbob: will it apply for all wifi networks?
• 3518[21:47:03] <r0ck_> or just the one thats in the office?
• 3519[21:47:16] <missmbob> r0ck_: whichever connection is highlighted when you click on "edit"
• 3520[21:48:42] <r0ck_> missmbob: ok, but I cannot get connections that are on their home or abroad
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• 3522[21:48:58] <r0ck_> I can do that on office connection easily that are available at the moment
• 3523[21:49:06] * teraflops is still confused
• 3524[21:49:07] <missmbob> r0ck_: you can add them from the office. just need their id and password
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• 3526[21:49:25] <missmbob> you dont need to connect to add/edit
• 3527[21:50:16] <r0ck_> by network manager you mean which program ?
• 3528[21:50:45] <missmbob> it's literally called network manager. you said gnome. it's what gnome uses to configure networks
• 3529[21:51:24] <r0ck_> okay, missmbob, thanks, got it working
• 3530[21:51:28] <r0ck_> thanks alot!
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• 3552[22:07:35] <KB3VGW> ok back sorry
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• 3554[22:07:44] <KB3VGW> still working on this code issue
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• 3557[22:08:25] <KB3VGW> replaced-url
• 3558[22:08:41] <KB3VGW> but I think its going to change to aplay -l
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• 3565[22:13:32] <HD|Laptop> Hi, I'm trying to rescue a broken SD card using dc3dd. Can I somehow disable the readahead as well as the timeout on read failures?
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• 3568[22:13:50] <HD|Laptop> Right now I have to wait 60s after a read error until dc3dd gets its error return on fread()
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• 3572[22:15:34] <HD|Laptop> Essentially I'd need the Debian equivalent of OS X's /dev/rdiskX
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• 3620[22:34:10] <jhutchins> HD|Laptop: There are several recovery programs like photorec.
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• 3623[22:34:48] <sophia6> test
• 3624[22:35:02] <sophia6> k, so tftpd takes an arg.. but nothing happens when I try to execute it from the command line?
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• 3626[22:35:08] <sophia6> the arg should be a directory
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• 3634[22:41:19] <mahollowspe> hello
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• 3637[22:43:54] <mahollowspe> I had a question about using SSL when logging into installed services like plex or deluge webui. I have installed SSL self signed cert but cant find a good tutorial aboutusig them in services installed in debian 8 jessie.
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• 3639[22:44:01] <mahollowspe> thanks
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• 3649[22:47:06] <teraflops> mahollowspe: what's your issue?
• 3650[22:47:36] <mahollowspe> I would like to connect to webui services installed on my debian 8 box over ssl
• 3651[22:47:49] <teraflops> mahollowspe: you want to avoid the warning?
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• 3653[22:48:18] <teraflops> you say you already "installed SSL self signed cert"
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• 3657[22:49:35] <teraflops> whatever that means…
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• 3661[22:51:05] <mahollow1pe> sorry about that
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• 3663[22:51:19] <mahollow1pe> so Im trying to connect over ssl
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• 3665[22:51:29] <teraflops> mahollowspe: I guess you have to tell each program to use your certificates
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• 3668[22:51:53] <teraflops> about plex replaced-url
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• 3670[22:52:18] <mahollow1pe> ok I will try that. do you happen to know the directory where certs are stored?
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• 3672[22:53:10] <teraflops> mahollow1pe: or I guess you can use a reverse proxy for serving stuff with your own certificates
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• 3674[22:53:36] <mahollow1pe> hmm ok not sure how to do that
• 3675[22:53:39] <teraflops> a bit overkill for lan
• 3676[22:53:45] <teraflops> s/lan only
• 3677[22:54:29] <teraflops> mahollow1pe: you have to generate your certificates
• 3678[22:54:37] <mahollow1pe> actully I want to make sure I connect over ssl when I login via WLAN
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• 3680[22:54:47] <mahollow1pe> for example plex webui
• 3681[22:55:05] <mahollow1pe> or deluge webui
• 3682[22:55:10] <teraflops> I already pasted a plex ssl setup
• 3683[22:55:36] <mahollow1pe> sorry I got disconnected can you post it agian
• 3684[22:55:38] <mahollow1pe> thanks
• 3685[22:55:49] <teraflops> about deluge google a bit I hate googling peoples questions
• 3686[22:55:51] <teraflops> replaced-url
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• 3688[22:56:06] <teraflops> about plex replaced-url
• 3689[22:56:12] <mahollow1pe> thanks
• 3690[22:56:14] <teraflops> np
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• 3692[22:56:57] <teraflops> if you cannot setup per application the reverse proxy thing looks like a good idea then
• 3693[22:57:29] <jhutchins> teraflops: If you hate googling for people don't.
• 3694[22:57:37] <teraflops> jhutchins: yeah my bad
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• 3696[22:58:17] <mahollow1pe> thanks for your help guys. off to do some reading. I will let you know how it goes
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• 3698[22:58:56] <teraflops> mahollow1pe: for the reverse proxy approach just make yourself sure you deny connection from lan to the webui or plex and then use the reverse proxy for serving the web stuff
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• 3700[22:59:01] <teraflops> ok he left
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• 3703[22:59:37] <pugfantus> man... I've got deb/plex down pat too
• 3704[22:59:44] <pugfantus> just missed him
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• 3736[23:11:42] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys i have a vps and i have this flooded in my logs (reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for 172.161.iconpln.net.i
• 3737[23:11:42] <Psil0Cybin> d [119.252.161.172] failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT) what can i do to understand this
• 3738[23:11:48] <Psil0Cybin> and see if i have been actually attacked
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• 3740[23:12:19] <Damon-HU> Hi all
• 3741[23:14:12] <Psil0Cybin> i have fail2ban installed already
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• 3745[23:15:50] <jhutchins> teraflops: I'll google if I think I might have better search terms, but I'll just suggest terms if someone's being blatantly lazy.
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• 3748[23:16:22] <jhutchins> teraflops: I've also been known to check google, find tons of good answers, and suggest that at least try.
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• 3756[23:18:59] <jhutchins> RE: SSL: replaced-url
• 3757[23:19:24] <teraflops> jhutchins: yeah it's just sometimes I cannot understand why people don't paste literally what they are asking here into google's search box
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• 3760[23:20:25] <teraflops> jhutchins: hmm he asked for ssl certs inside the lan
• 3761[23:20:36] <McCrow> farakat -> just use freaking DD. it will do the trick for linuses and if you're trying to copy Windows iso, just format in FAT32 and copy everything from the iso. who needs rufus when you can do it yourself ?
• 3762[23:20:39] <jhutchins> teraflops: Yeah. I often paste error messages whole into google.
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• 3764[23:20:58] <jhutchins> teraflops: Except for the ones that say "to fix this do <blah>".
• 3765[23:21:28] <jhutchins> teraflops: Inside the lan the standards should be the same - it's the same mechanism.
• 3766[23:21:36] <teraflops> sure
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• 3769[23:22:23] <teraflops> plus a domain name and DNS server for managing the DNS records
• 3770[23:22:40] <McCrow> hey guys... I know it should be told to the gnome team, but GDM3 sucks when it comes to customise it. it's like no matter what config file I modify , what Debian-gdm dconf I edit, it simply does not want to obey...
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• 3795[23:32:16] <ldumont> Hey guys, I'm currently trying to set up a dual boot Debian and Windows 10.
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• 3797[23:32:42] <ldumont> The computer has two disk, 1 TB and 4 TB. Windows Boot Loader is on the first disk.
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• 3799[23:33:00] <somiaj> ldumont: is windows using legacy or uefi boot?
• 3800[23:33:05] <ldumont> Legacy
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• 3802[23:33:26] <ldumont> Debian is installed on the second 4TB HD in a 1TB partition.
• 3803[23:33:38] <ldumont> If I install grub2 on the first drive, it punts my straight to grub rescue.
• 3804[23:34:12] <teraflops> ldumont: you install grub how?
• 3805[23:34:26] <teraflops> ldumont: share the command please
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• 3807[23:34:35] <ldumont> The grub2 setp in the Debian installer.
• 3808[23:34:37] <teraflops> ah
• 3809[23:34:38] <ldumont> *setup
• 3810[23:34:49] <ldumont> Yeah, it's all from a usb install.
• 3811[23:35:06] <SuperTramp83> but..but..windose will give your Debian partition herpes :(
• 3812[23:35:23] <somiaj> ldumont: what file system is /boot on? Is it encyrpted or anything that would prevent grub from reading it?
• 3813[23:35:36] <SuperTramp83> (just kiddin, bear with me)
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• 3815[23:35:47] <teraflops> ldumont: tried just rescue mode and then grub-install /dev/sda?
• 3816[23:35:57] <ldumont> As far as I know, there isn't a /boot showing anywhere :|
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• 3818[23:36:14] <ldumont> The only thing I've tried is a Ubuntu live-cd and boot-repair.
• 3819[23:36:15] <somiaj> ldumont: well it will be part of your / (root) file system if you didn't make another paritition. Is / encrypted?
• 3820[23:36:27] <ldumont> Nope, no encryption there.
• 3821[23:36:31] <somiaj> !fixmbr
• 3822[23:36:31] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
• 3823[23:36:39] <somiaj> ldumont: I would try to reinstall grub, you can ignore the stuff about efi.
• 3824[23:36:46] <teraflops> yeah
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• 3826[23:37:20] <somiaj> also double check grub is using udid's in identifying the partitions.
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• 3828[23:38:21] <ldumont> I might have to redo everything, I had to fix the Windows MBR with a Windows repair disk. Ugh, I wish things worked out of the box!
• 3829[23:38:29] <ldumont> Alright, I'll try all of these things. Thanks guys
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• 3832[23:39:37] <somiaj> ldumont: that could break things, fixing the windows mbr could overrite grub. Though I'm unsure if windows 10 uses the standard mbr thta just boots off the bootable partition or windows puts a bootloader in the mbr.
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• 3835[23:40:49] <prussian> windows 10 still uses mbr partition tables?
• 3836[23:41:05] <teraflops> somiaj: nah os-prober will detect windows 10 even in a separated disk
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• 3838[23:41:23] <teraflops> prussian: if you install it in BIOS/MBR yes
• 3839[23:41:30] <somiaj> teraflops: okay, wasn't sure. I just recall someone else having trouble getting os-prober to detect windows 10 (but it detected windows recovery mode)
• 3840[23:41:35] <prussian> jesus
• 3841[23:42:09] <teraflops> somiaj: that's os-prober fault actually
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• 3846[23:44:30] <teraflops> well this very laptop (BIOS/MBR) boots a win10 in a second hdd from grub
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• 3848[23:45:20] <teraflops> replaced-url
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• 3853[23:46:50] <ghormoon> hi, can I somehow fallback debian netinstall to other graphical mode? on my friends laptop it is very broken, downsized to like 1/4 of screen and twice next to each other, almost unreadeable :(
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• 3855[23:47:42] <somiaj> ghormoon: use use the text mode.
• 3856[23:47:47] <missmbob> your best bet is text install and then fix graphics later
• 3857[23:47:51] <fhdrin> ghormoon, try pluggin into a monitor
• 3858[23:48:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1584
• 3859[23:48:10] <somiaj> ghormoon: the main difference between text and graphical is use of the mouse. But the ncurses text installer is easy enough to navagate (in my opinion)
• 3860[23:48:21] <ghormoon> that is broken in the same way
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• 3864[23:52:27] <teraflops> tried VGA=normal o whatever?
• 3865[23:52:35] <missmbob> ghormoon: are you using alpha? stretch installer?
• 3866[23:52:46] <teraflops> s/o/or
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• 3869[23:53:34] <somiaj> or disabling modesetting
• 3870[23:54:05] <teraflops> or a monitor as someone suggested
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• 3875[23:57:35] <ghormoon> missmbob: jessie
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• 3879[23:58:16] <teraflops> ghormoon: which gpu?
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• 3881[23:58:27] <ghormoon> ugh, something integrated :)
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• 3883[23:58:45] <n11cky> I have a patch for a CVE affecting QEMU in stable-backports that is fixed upstream. I want to get the fix backported. I grabbed the source and generated a patch. What's my next step?
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• 3886[23:59:30] <teraflops> n11cky: apt-source + quilt?
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