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• 1[00:00:39] <McCrow> well I was also trying to find a reason for the odd behaviour. and he beat me to it ;)
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• 6[00:03:23] <missmbob> Orbstheorem: please read /topic. you're in the wrong place
• 7[00:03:28] <missmbob> !tell Orbstheorem about debian-next
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• 14[00:05:19] <Xunie> I'm having postfix issues. Turns out my return-path is all whacky and set to /etc/hostname even though I DO specify 'myorigin=...' in /etc/postfix/main.cf
• 15[00:05:39] <Orbstheorem> missmbob: I'm not so sure if it concerns just debian-testing, but alright ,I'll go ask there
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• 25[00:10:43] <McCrow> I know that it's more gnome related, but I'm struggling with gdm and I realized that Debian changed a few thing about it compared to other distros (gdm account name is different for starters)... does anyhow is having issues with configuring it ( changing background image, adding banner, try count, etc...) ?
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• 30[00:12:47] <JosephineBlack> range
• 31[00:13:00] <JosephineBlack> 3 th dinemsion often - to much beer lol*
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• 33[00:13:36] <JosephineBlack> I will miss u John
• 34[00:13:46] <Xunie> JosephineBlack, you're probably in the wrong channel.
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• 36[00:13:55] <JosephineBlack> but I will not follow u cause
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• 38[00:14:10] <JosephineBlack> I m in the wrong channel
• 39[00:14:15] <JosephineBlack> sorry :-(
• 40[00:14:34] <Xunie> What happens in #debian stays in #debian...
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• 43[00:15:33] <eset> Hey, I didn't found any packache of php 7 for Wheezy. It seems that all what can I do is to download from git and compile it ?
• 44[00:15:42] <eset> package*
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• 50[00:16:34] <Xunie> eset, replaced-url
• 51[00:16:47] <Xunie> Either use debian testing or manually install it.
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• 56[00:19:27] <eset> Xunie: Stretch? Is Debian 9 . Can I use that package for Wheezy ?
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• 58[00:20:10] <justaname> hm
• 59[00:20:16] <Xunie> eset, let me get this straight... You want to manually download and install a Stretch package on Wheezy?
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• 61[00:20:59] <justaname> Does anyone use skype for linux alpha?
• 62[00:21:10] <justaname> on debian 8?
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• 65[00:21:24] <Xunie> Skype is a piece of DSAHDFKSAJ
• 66[00:21:46] <tom99> i think i tried installing skype, it complained about package dependencies
• 67[00:21:52] <eset> I'm looking for easy way to upgrade php5 to php7 on Debian 7 Weezy. By 'easy' I mean apt-get install php7 but there is no repo for wheezy with php7. So I guess I should is git and manual compile it
• 68[00:21:58] <McCrow> stretch on Wheezy... that's not a good idea.. the chance of not having dependencies issues are really slim... worth trying if no other way. if not try with the sources
• 69[00:22:12] <Xunie> eset, you don't have to.
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• 71[00:22:28] <justaname> tom99 the skype you download off of skype.com and skype for linux alpha are two different things
• 72[00:22:32] <McCrow> why not upgrade to stretch ?
• 73[00:22:33] <eset> Xunie: how's that?
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• 75[00:23:09] <justaname> this is what I am talking about
• 76[00:23:12] <justaname> replaced-url
• 77[00:23:22] <Xunie> Either manually compile, upgrade your entire install to 'testing' and install the testing php7 package OR manually compile it.
• 78[00:23:24] <Xunie> Have a pick, mate.
• 79[00:23:33] <eset> McCrow: It's not what client wants. It's production machine I've received request for upgrade to php7. Common guys question is simple is there any way or Should I go with manual compile
• 80[00:23:33] <justaname> I'm just wondering else has used it or is useing it
• 81[00:23:47] <Xunie> Sorry eset, OR manually install the Stretch package on Wheezy, you can do that too.
• 82[00:24:04] <eset> Come on*
• 83[00:24:19] <McCrow> hey eset, you could also try adding repo dotdeb, if you're not afraid of getting out of the standard repo
• 84[00:24:40] <eset> Xunie: Stretch package Wheezy? McCrow said it will faild with dependencies
• 85[00:25:01] <Xunie> Yeah. *Then don't do that!*
• 86[00:25:03] <eset> McCrow: I tried and here is the trick.. it doesn't has php7 for Wheezy :)
• 87[00:25:05] <McCrow> you could try. i don't know what dependencies it will require
• 88[00:25:12] <Xunie> eset, just upgrade to stretch, my god.
• 89[00:25:26] <eset> Xunie: Like I said can't do that
• 90[00:25:30] <Xunie> Why not?
• 91[00:25:44] <tom99> by 'alpha' do you mean DEC Alpha?
• 92[00:25:53] <eset> Xunie: please :P .. "It's not what client wants. It's production machine I've received request for upgrade to php7."
• 93[00:25:55] <Xunie> Oh yeah, not what the client wants, yeah yeah. Then compile it, eset, Jeez.
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• 95[00:26:06] <eset> Xunie: exactly
• 96[00:26:11] <Xunie> Then manually compile.
• 97[00:26:15] <troffasky> surely if the client already knows how to do it, let the client do it?
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• 99[00:26:33] <McCrow> clients are the worst. we all know it ;)
• 100[00:26:37] <Xunie> I'd rather have testing on my machine than 'my own' compiled version of PHP to be honest, but hey, whatever.
• 101[00:26:52] <eset> troffasky: ? You talking to me? :)
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• 103[00:27:25] <troffasky> yes
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• 105[00:28:27] <eset> I was thinking on doteb McCrow Said , lots of tutorial said about that.. but I checked Packages file from Wheezy dist and it doesn't includes PHP 7. Latest is 5.6.45 I quess
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• 107[00:29:10] <eset> troffasky: Point is that client doesn't knows hot to do it, he's not the sysadmin here, we are. He's only a programmer :P
• 108[00:29:13] <eset> developer, sorry
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• 110[00:29:25] <McCrow> or if you're into doing weird compolicated things: try pinning...
• 111[00:29:26] <troffasky> so don't let the client tell you how to do it
• 112[00:29:27] <eset> how* damn sorry for mistakes
• 113[00:29:47] <Xunie> eset, sounds like a bit of a clown...
• 114[00:29:54] <ewook> Anyone holding on to a howto/whitepaper on how the frack to manage a system now with a stumbling systemd ?
• 115[00:30:01] <Xunie> No offense, though.
• 116[00:30:11] <McCrow> eset : pinning -> replaced-url
• 117[00:30:20] <eset> troffasky: He's not telling me how to do it, I'm asking :) just want to make sure.. cuz I couldn't find any package with php7 for wheezy
• 118[00:31:13] <McCrow> just stay on wheezy and pin to the newer release... and if the client complains tell him to upgrade or go screw himself.
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• 120[00:32:22] <eset> McCrow: Hm maybe if I had test machine :P
• 121[00:32:25] <eset> replaced-url
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• 123[00:32:59] <troffasky> well, what with the price of a Debian license, it's no wonder you can't afford a test machine
• 124[00:33:08] <Xunie> hahaha
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• 126[00:33:30] <Xunie> Yeah, that debian license has been getting to me. I think I might have to close shop because of that...
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• 130[00:34:29] <McCrow> wow. did not thought there would be laughs on debian IRC...
• 131[00:34:33] <eset> troffasky: nice joke :P I will test using vagrant by my own. By testing I was thinking about client additional machine
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• 142[00:40:02] <Kenran_> I'm trying to compile something (rxvt-unicode) and everything works fine, but in the end, there is not XFT support included even though I specified it explicitly. With xterm my .Xresources XFT definitions that I took from my last installation don't work anymore either
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• 144[00:40:11] <Kenran_> What package do I need to get XFT up and running?
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• 148[00:42:12] <chomwitt> i try to start yaws (erlang web server) with 'service yaws start' which as i get it calls an init script (/etc/init.d/yaws) but the deamon cant start and i get in syslog an error which , if it's true what i googled is related to systemd. Failed to reset devices.list on /system.slice/yaws.service: No such file or dir
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• 150[00:42:19] <somiaj> Kenran_: check the ./configure log from compliing rxvt-unicode and see if it deteced or includded XFT support to start with.
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• 156[00:43:48] <prussian> why are you building urxvt from source?
• 157[00:44:16] <prussian> Kenran_: you probably have to pass something like --with-xft
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• 159[00:45:40] <Kenran_> somiaj: you wouldn't happen to know what to look for? I checked the default (-> with xft) and urxvt --help doesn't have it included in the options
• 160[00:45:52] <Kenran_> prussian: because of truecolor support in a later revision
• 161[00:46:13] <Kenran_> prussian: the xft support flag is set by default though, I think it's --enable-xft
• 162[00:46:46] <somiaj> Kenran_: I'm talking about when you compiled the program. If you didn't have the xft headers at the start it may have disabled support for xft and thus it won't matter if it si in the config or not
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• 166[00:47:20] <Komanda24390234> how would one create a process sandbox like AWS lambda?
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• 168[00:48:28] <prussian> docker
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• 170[00:48:46] <somiaj> Kenran_: so if you read throught the configure.log file it will tell you if it detected the xft headers or not and included them.
• 171[00:50:02] <Komanda24390234> prussian: docker isn't a pure sandbox
• 172[00:50:16] <troffasky> what is a pure sandbox?
• 173[00:50:18] <Komanda24390234> it can be broken out of
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• 176[00:50:26] <Komanda24390234> plenty of exploits for docker
• 177[00:51:09] <Komanda24390234> can't be used to run untrusted code
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• 182[00:52:43] <Kenran_> somiaj: I have exactly one log file (config.log) after running ./configure. grep xft config.log only finds the flag, while grep XFT finds XFT_CONFIG=''
• 183[00:53:26] <Kenran_> it looks like they weren't found, but I'm not even sure I'm supposed to have them. Last time I did this (before I had to reinstall debian), the compilation just went through and everything was right
• 184[00:53:30] <troffasky> Kenran_, hint: grep -i to be case-insensitive
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• 187[00:54:14] <Kenran_> troffasky: thanks :)
• 188[00:54:16] <missmbob> Keridos: apt-get install libxft-dev
• 189[00:54:37] <Kenran_> missmbob: ahhh that might be it, let me try
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• 191[00:56:11] <Kenran_> THanks guys, it works now! libxft-dev was indeed the package I was missing
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• 193[00:56:59] <cra1g321> is there a way of telling apt-get not to pull in a dependency of a program i'm wanting to install ? i want rtorrent but don't want it to install libtorrent
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• 195[00:57:10] <somiaj> Kenran_: read throught the log it should tell you if or if not XFT support was found and enabled. You can also double check the xft headers are installed.
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• 197[00:57:37] <somiaj> Kenran_: you can also run apt-get build-dep rxvt-unicode or whatever the package name is to pull in all the headers used by debian's config
• 198[00:57:42] <troffasky> cra1g321, that's pretty much subverting the point of a packaging system :-S
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• 201[00:58:18] <troffasky> cra1g321, but i do pass --no-install-{suggest,recommend}s if an install looks like it's going to pull in too much stuff
• 202[00:58:24] <somiaj> cra1g321: if it is a recommended dependency you can use --no-install-recommended or something like that. If it is an actually dependcy then no. That package is required to make rtorrent work.
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• 204[00:58:39] <cra1g321> the libtorrent in the repos doesn't get compiled with a flag i want to use with a feature
• 205[00:58:42] <somiaj> suggests are not installed by default, reocmmended are, and in many cases you want recommended packages.
• 206[00:58:46] <Kenran_> somiaj: they weren't installed as I feared! But thanks especially for the build-dep hint, going to note that :)
• 207[00:58:55] <Kenran_> bye!
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• 212[00:59:35] <cra1g321> seems it's a dependency not a recommended one, just was hoping to use rtorrent from repo than compile it
• 213[00:59:57] <somiaj> cra1g321: any reason you don't want that libary installed? They usually don't take up that much space (relativally)
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• 216[01:00:55] <cra1g321> somiaj, i want to use the "preallocate" feature of rtorrent, to do this, you need to compile libtorrent with "--with-posix-fallocate" libtorrent in repo's isn't
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• 220[01:02:13] <somiaj> cra1g321: do you have a copy of libtorrent compiled locally then?
• 221[01:02:18] <cra1g321> yes
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• 223[01:02:36] <somiaj> cra1g321: do you not have to compile rtorrent to take advantage of this change int he lib compile?
• 224[01:02:42] <somiaj> !package recompile
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• 226[01:02:42] <dpkg> 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
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• 228[01:02:59] <cra1g321> nope, it is only a config line inside the config file of rtorrent
• 229[01:03:03] <somiaj> cra1g321: those instructions will allow you to recompile the package, so you can have your local version isntalled as a package as opposed to locally
• 230[01:03:06] <somiaj> !equivs
• 231[01:03:08] <cra1g321> user's config
• 232[01:03:11] <dpkg> equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>.
• 233[01:03:41] <somiaj> cra1g321: that is a way to tell dpkg you have the package installed locally by making a pseudo type package for dpkg to understand you have the lib locally.
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• 238[01:05:16] <cra1g321> ah ok, so don't need to recompile rtorrent, just create a dummy file for libtorrent
• 239[01:05:18] <cra1g321> thanks
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• 241[01:05:35] <somiaj> cra1g321: or just recompile libtorrent as a package (which is nicer, but equivs may work in your situation)
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• 248[01:06:14] <cra1g321> guess i'll just have to see whatever my noob mind figures out ;)
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• 252[01:07:07] <cra1g321> i could of just compiled rtorrent, but better to use debian packages of course than compiling stuff :)
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• 259[01:07:38] <somiaj> cra1g321: well my sggestion was recompile the libtorrent package with the flag you want so it is a .deb package as opposed to just compiling and installing it in /usr/local
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• 261[01:08:01] <somiaj> cra1g321: it really isn't that difficult to modify the debian/rules script to add additional options at compile time to a package.
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• 269[01:09:22] <cra1g321> ok i'll take a look at that then
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• 281[01:12:00] <claudio4> Hi!
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• 283[01:12:12] <claudio4> Someone can help me please
• 284[01:12:21] <somiaj> !ask
• 285[01:12:21] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 294[01:16:42] <claudio4> I have a problem with Iptables; Im running Debian 8. When I try iptables -L or iptables -S I get the following ouputut
• 295[01:16:42] <claudio4> "modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod.c:508 kmod_lookup_alias_from_builtin_file() could not open builtin file '/lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/modules.builtin.bin'
• 296[01:16:42] <claudio4> modprobe: FATAL: Module ip_tables not found.
• 297[01:16:42] <claudio4> iptables v1.4.21: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)
• 298[01:16:43] <claudio4> Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded."
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• 301[01:17:13] <dvs> you planned that!
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• 303[01:17:25] <claudio4> Ups sorry
• 304[01:17:35] <RoyK> claudio4: what distro/kernel?
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• 309[01:19:49] <claudio4> Debian 8.6; Linux kernel 3.16.0-4-amd64
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• 315[01:22:08] <cra1g321> if i get my recompiled version of lbtorrent installed, is there a way i can tell debian not to update libtorrent ?
• 316[01:22:18] <cra1g321> so debian repo versions doesnt get updated over mine
• 317[01:22:39] <claudio4> RoyK: Debian 8.6; Linux kernel 3.16.0-4-amd64
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• 319[01:23:33] <RoyK> claudio4: wierd
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• 322[01:24:30] <claudio4> RoyK: It's a OVH vps
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• 324[01:25:11] <RoyK> claudio4: sorry - no idea
• 325[01:25:35] <claudio4> RoyK; Okey thx anyway
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• 330[01:26:50] <SpeedArt> Hey
• 331[01:26:56] <acsid> claudio4: ovh vps use ovh mirror
• 332[01:27:09] <jakefb> hi, I'm getting this error when I type sudo systemctl reload ngin and press tab twise to complete
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• 334[01:27:23] <jakefb> Failed to get D-Bus connection: No such file or directory
• 335[01:27:23] <jakefb> Failed to get D-Bus connection: No such file or directory
• 336[01:27:48] <jakefb> I'm running debian jessie, anyone know why this is happening?
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• 340[01:29:37] <cra1g321> nevermind folks, found my answer
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• 342[01:30:04] <vanishing_point> alo ppl
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• 344[01:30:15] <PryMar56> jakefb, did you `dist upgrade` from wheezy?
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• 346[01:30:58] <PryMar56> dist-upgrade
• 347[01:31:07] <jakefb> PryMar56, no it was a fresh jessie install when it came out
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• 349[01:31:28] <PryMar56> jakefb, dpkg -l | grep dbus
• 350[01:31:46] <Ouroboros> can someone with an amd cpu (preferably family 15) and reasonably latest kernel check something quick for me?
• 351[01:31:50] <somiaj> cra1g321: usually local packages will be used by default in patsh to system ones. This way if you install something locally, it becomes the default.
• 352[01:32:24] <jakefb> PryMar56, hmm doesn't return anything
• 353[01:32:33] <somiaj> Ouroboros: what you need?
• 354[01:32:39] <somiaj> Ouroboros: though cpu family : 16
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• 356[01:33:05] <somiaj> jakefb: systemctl status dbus
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• 358[01:33:30] <jakefb> dbus.service
• 359[01:33:30] <jakefb> Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory)
• 360[01:33:30] <jakefb> Active: inactive (dead)
• 361[01:33:31] <steventog> ahh it's a wonderful day
• 362[01:33:43] <jakefb> somiaj, oh that looks like the reason
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• 364[01:33:51] <somiaj> jakefb: fix that. Seems you don't have dbus correctly installed
• 365[01:33:59] <somiaj> systemd-dbus I think is the package, but not positve
• 366[01:34:46] <jakefb> somiaj, I think it's just dbus?
• 367[01:35:28] <somiaj> jakefb: could be, I thought it might have been renamed when systemd included it
• 368[01:35:40] <Ouroboros> somiaj: i would like to know the size of the config space for pci device 00:18.3 (e.g. od -t x1 -v /sys/devices/pci0000\:00/0000\:00\:18.3/config)
• 369[01:35:41] <somiaj> yes it is just dbus
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• 371[01:35:57] <jakefb> somiaj, ok I'll try installing it thanks
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• 373[01:36:06] <PryMar56> jakefb, ultimately, you need a socket here: /var/run/dbus/*
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• 375[01:36:26] <somiaj> Ouroboros: replaced-url
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• 377[01:36:54] <jakefb> sweet it's working, thanks for your help @somiaj
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• 382[01:39:32] <Ouroboros> somiaj: oh, can you run it as root? i dont need the data, just the length
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• 385[01:41:19] <Ouroboros> (there is some note in 'man lspci' about it not being 100% safe with some pci devices, but i havent had any issues)
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• 388[01:43:29] <claudio4> Bye
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• 394[01:45:22] <prussian> bye
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• 396[01:46:20] <Ouroboros> somiaj: basically, i am trying to figure out how to access the extended configuration space (standard = 256 bytes, extended = 4096 bytes), but there seem to be some complications
• 397[01:46:38] <Ouroboros> not sure if my device doesnt support it or the kernel doesnt support it, or both
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• 402[01:49:10] <Ouroboros> i could just try reading the memory directly, but i think this is dangerous
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• 408[01:52:48] <P3ssoa> .-.
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• 416[01:56:08] <prussian> Ouroboros: ptrace
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• 418[01:56:39] <prussian> if you want to edit kernel memory, there is always /dev/mem or whatever block device
• 419[01:56:44] <prussian> unless they got rid of it
• 420[01:56:47] <prussian> i forgot
• 421[01:57:19] <Ouroboros> i dunno if its same to mess with that though
• 422[01:57:23] <Ouroboros> *safe
• 423[01:57:30] <prussian> well no shit it isn't
• 424[01:57:38] <Ouroboros> i mean, even for reads
• 425[01:58:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1504
• 426[01:58:09] <Ouroboros> its possible there could be some undesired interaction if the kernel accesses it at the same time
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• 429[01:59:07] <SiLuman> !dns
• 430[01:59:21] <prussian> well...
• 431[01:59:22] <prussian> ya
• 432[01:59:27] <prussian> no
• 433[01:59:29] <prussian> reading is fine
• 434[01:59:31] <somiaj> Ouroboros: which part is the length? I get way more output as root
• 435[01:59:46] <prussian> reading won't do anything
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• 437[01:59:57] <Ouroboros> somiaj: the numnber on the left of the last line
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• 440[02:00:35] <somiaj> Ouroboros: 0007760 though a single number on the last line is 0010000, the first was the number on the last line of data
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• 442[02:01:04] <Ouroboros> ok, so that is 4096, interesting
• 443[02:01:05] <prussian> anyhow... if you want to read process memory.... ptrace, you can enable it and then take control of processes
• 444[02:01:05] <Ouroboros> thanks
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• 446[02:01:25] <Ouroboros> somiaj: which kernel?
• 447[02:01:35] <prussian> if you want to read kernel or all... better learn to read kernel data structures to traverse /dev/mem
• 448[02:01:40] <somiaj> Ouroboros: Linux ukkosta 4.6.0-1-amd64 from streetch
• 449[02:01:59] <somiaj> Ouroboros: 4.6.4-1 (2016-07-18)
• 450[02:02:02] <Ouroboros> hm
• 451[02:02:44] <Ouroboros> too bad you have family 16
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• 457[02:03:51] <somiaj> Ouroboros: and here I thought my chip was outdated. (:
• 458[02:04:02] <Ouroboros> heh
• 459[02:04:07] <Ouroboros> mine is from like 2008
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• 461[02:04:39] <ggggggg> !dns
• 462[02:05:28] <ggggggg> !ip
• 463[02:05:28] <dpkg> IP (Internet Protocol) is a connectionless, best-effort packet switching protocol. It provides packet routing, fragmentation and re-assembly through the data link layer. To check yours, go to replaced-url
• 464[02:05:32] <ggggggg> .dns
• 465[02:05:38] <somiaj> ggggggg: please /msg the bot
• 466[02:05:43] <somiaj> ggggggg: /msg dpkg factoid
• 467[02:05:43] <ggggggg> ping
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• 475[02:08:36] <Ouroboros> somiaj: can i see the full output actually? i dont think there is anything sensitive there, but you can pm it
• 476[02:09:00] <ggggggg> oke
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• 502[02:19:58] <chomwitt> i keep getting: Failed to reset devices.list on /system.slice/rsyslog.service: No such file or directory in my debian system .. what is missing?
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• 516[02:24:42] <Ouroboros> somiaj: thanks... interesting
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• 549[02:39:52] <Ouroboros> why did they start changing linux major version so quickly
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• 578[02:57:13] <prussian> idk
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• 581[02:57:29] <prussian> because 3->4 sounds more exciting Ouroboros
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• 583[02:58:09] <Ouroboros> apparently
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• 586[02:58:33] <Ouroboros> i remember when 2.4 -> 2.6 was exciting
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• 594[03:01:15] <prussian> ya
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• 616[03:16:01] <McCrow> sorry to interrupt all the fun, but do anyone is using gnome3 here and can attest that you cannot change nautilus icon no matter the icon theme ?
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• 619[03:17:30] <Ouroboros> i guess there is no more 'rescue' live cd?
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• 623[03:19:23] <Ouroboros> well, i am out space anyway
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• 660[03:38:28] <allamoox> Hello,
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• 664[03:44:02] <mmlj4> I have a .deb I need to look at and adapt, for another distro... how can I unzip it, or whatever?
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• 667[03:46:21] <missmbob> mmlj4: ar vx foo.deb
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• 677[03:56:04] <mmlj4> missmbob: thanks, but it's not working... unrecognized format, it claims... but I'll figure it out somehow, don't fret over it
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• 680[03:58:50] <mmlj4> grr... alien also complains, maybe I got a bad .deb
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• 689[04:05:00] <mmlj4> thanks
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• 700[04:09:56] <MoNgd> Anyone on?
• 701[04:09:59] <MoNgd> and have a second?
• 702[04:10:25] <somiaj> just ask your question and wait. Usually they get answered.
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• 706[04:11:14] <OS-24598> /msg Pshah REGISTER
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• 722[04:16:55] <MoNgd> I need advice for skype on debian 8, skypeforlinux from repo.skype.com is lacking while the other client from skype.com is broken on my end, does not stop dropping connection
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• 726[04:18:28] <TheMar|us> tried this? replaced-url
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• 728[04:19:11] <MoNgd> yes, works and is exactly more or less how skypeforlinuxalpha is
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• 730[04:19:29] <MoNgd> but i'd like to not skype through my browser
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• 733[04:19:54] <TheMar|us> i get your point, however i use linux mint and there it works fine
• 734[04:20:14] <MoNgd> can i ask what version an ect?
• 735[04:20:22] <TheMar|us> 18 cinnamon
• 736[04:20:24] <somiaj> MoNgd: how did you install skype in debian?
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• 738[04:20:30] <TheMar|us> i might go KDE if i installed it now
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• 740[04:21:03] <TheMar|us> theres linux mint debian edition aswell
• 741[04:21:24] <MoNgd> somiaj ;) for skypeforlinuxalpha got to repo.skype.com it will have instructions but for the other kind, the one you get off of skype.com webpage its install some dependaces and wget + dkpg
• 742[04:21:56] <MoNgd> hmm mint
• 743[04:21:59] <MoNgd> ok i will test that
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• 745[04:22:10] <MoNgd> what ver of skype?
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• 747[04:22:23] <MoNgd> and is it skypeforlinuxalpha or the other skype?
• 748[04:23:01] <MoNgd> well weget or curl
• 749[04:23:01] <somiaj> MoNgd: I don't know about this repo, but if it isn't designed to work with debian (and is designed for ubuntu or mint, etc) it can have problems. I've seen multiple people haev sucess with getting the .deb from skype.com and installing it and any of its dependencies. What version of debian are you running?
• 750[04:23:20] <somiaj> MoNgd: and also mint is another distro, which is different (but related) to debian
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• 753[04:24:52] <MoNgd> somiaj debian 8 and it works just lacks fuck all for UI an ect, but the deb off of skype.com has a issue where my contacts keep dropping off. i tested it, one box with win on skype and another on deb8, on deb8 the contacts show up on login and then go offline but on my win box they are online
• 754[04:25:12] <TheMar|us> huge creds to debian for building the house, but they havent put in lamps, couches etc and made it as cozy as linux mint
• 755[04:26:06] <TheMar|us> thats linux mint.. they take a debian house and decorate it and makes it cozy ... so thats why i run it
• 756[04:26:23] <MoNgd> somiaj it is a alpha, the one that works, but its ugly an bare.
• 757[04:26:34] <somiaj> MoNgd: I haven't used skype in a while, but replaced-url
• 758[04:26:56] <somiaj> MoNgd: ahh I don't know much about the alpha software. For the most part skype isn't supported by debian.
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• 760[04:27:38] <MoNgd> somiaj for the deb off of skype.com yes looked at the wiki for debian but do not think i am enough of a power user to solve myself, so looking for a bit of help
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• 774[04:30:56] <somiaj> MoNgd: So lets see if I understand you. The basic skype client from skype.com and talked about in the wiki works fine but you are trying out an alpha client and having trouble with it?
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• 777[04:31:19] <MoNgd> other way around
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• 779[04:31:36] <MoNgd> the alpha client works, the deb from skype.com does not
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• 781[04:32:20] <somiaj> MoNgd: and you have installed all the required debs for that (the 32bit versions)?
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• 783[04:32:26] <somiaj> dependencies I mean
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• 785[04:32:53] <MoNgd> yes
• 786[04:33:04] <MoNgd> the issue is once i login my contacts show up but go offline
• 787[04:33:11] <MoNgd> when i know they are not
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• 789[04:33:30] <MoNgd> on my win box i have one skype signed in that has the same contacts as my deb8 box
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• 792[04:35:11] <somiaj> Okay. Anyways #debian doesn't really support thrid party .deb. I do know people in jessie are using skype just fine, so it could be some issue with what you have installed on your system (or even configs) but I woudln't know where to debug it. Have you tried this with a fresh config for skype?
• 793[04:35:11] <MoNgd> that is what i can not figure out, why on the deb off of skype.com im having this issue but not with skypeforlinuxalpha
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• 799[04:35:33] <master_> how do i install this? replaced-url
• 800[04:35:48] <somiaj> master_: do you want to install this in debian jessie?
• 801[04:36:05] <master_> not sure, its 8.6?
• 802[04:36:13] <MoNgd> somiaj ive tested it on deb7 and 8, fresh and clean vm's and ect
• 803[04:36:17] <Igel> hello
• 804[04:36:25] <MoNgd> still the same issue
• 805[04:36:27] <somiaj> master_: jessie is a frozen system and you don't want install packages for sid inside of debian.
• 806[04:36:36] <MoNgd> default configs
• 807[04:36:45] <Igel> i've got a box where after no changes to system, can now sudo <x11-applicaiton>
• 808[04:36:50] <master_> how can i install linux mint menu mate
• 809[04:36:55] <master_> ?
• 810[04:36:58] <missmbob> it isnt news that skype on linux is buggy
• 811[04:37:02] <Igel> is this an xsessions or xauth thing is hold be looking at
• 812[04:37:15] <missmbob> master_: this isnt linux mint, you get that, right?
• 813[04:37:26] <Igel> skype on C-Runtime is shitty means Skype on * is shitty
• 814[04:37:36] <somiaj> master_: You maybe able to backport this, but being part of the mate desktop it may be quite a complicated task to backport for mate for jessie. My advise is you can't easily install this in debian jessie.
• 815[04:37:38] <master_> yeah but im running debian 8.6
• 816[04:37:45] <Igel> so?
• 817[04:37:56] <missmbob> master_: so why are you looking at something for sid? you're not running sid.
• 818[04:37:58] <somiaj> master_: so you don't want to install stuff from mint either. You want to stick with the software in jessie and jessie-backports.
• 819[04:38:03] <Igel> skype was probably developed on 2.6.29
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• 821[04:38:16] <Igel> or no, the 2.7.31 or 32
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• 823[04:38:23] <Igel> where redhat just patches everything
• 824[04:38:40] <master_> ok guys thanks, i'll just stick with debian software
• 825[04:38:45] <Igel> skypes not developed on debian -- wild guess
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• 827[04:38:48] <MoNgd> somiaj can you ask the people you know that have skype up what configs they have going? I do not like the alpha an rather use the .deb off of skype, if not it is ok, i will just keep looking and fix it one way or the other
• 828[04:38:58] <master_> i was just bored and i really like the mint menu
• 829[04:39:01] <master_> for mate
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• 831[04:39:32] <somiaj> MoNgd: you can try back here later to see if anyone has skype working just fine for them in jessie. Though being third party support is kinda hard unless you just go to skype for support. It is their software afterall.
• 832[04:39:42] <master_> is there a way to make look like the mate mint menu?
• 833[04:40:03] <MoNgd> somiaj yeah i know, but thanks. skype suppourt is a joke anyhow
• 834[04:40:18] <somiaj> master_: I thought mint used the cinnimon desktop which is installable in debian jessie.
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• 836[04:40:34] <MoNgd> somiaj mostly win users and outside of uninstalling IE breaking skype its all you can expect
• 837[04:40:42] <master_> no its a mate menu i want
• 838[04:40:52] <basement_shaman> hello, gn
• 839[04:40:58] <missmbob> mint has both
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• 843[04:41:19] <somiaj> master_: you won't get it in debian stable. I suggest just waiting. Once stretch is released (about 6 months) you can upgrade to stretch and get that menu. I don't think there will be an easy way to do it in jessie.
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• 846[04:41:25] <master_> im running mate now on debian but doesnt look as good
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• 848[04:42:18] <master_> thanks for the help guys
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• 851[04:42:47] <Exileur> Hi
• 852[04:43:02] <master_> i'll just use cinnamon it has a nice menu
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• 855[04:43:50] <MoNgd> somiaj on the off chance, you have a links for deb hardening guides that are current? desktop and or server
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• 857[04:44:57] <MoNgd> Somiaj or any links you wana share, pvtmsg if need be
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• 859[04:45:10] <somiaj> MoNgd: usnure if you saw these, but these are what I see on the more debian pages.
• 860[04:45:13] <somiaj> MoNgd: replaced-url
• 861[04:45:25] <somiaj> MoNgd: replaced-url
• 862[04:47:04] <MoNgd> somiaj thanks, if you really have any security links please do share them with me. I am going to try once again to diagonse the skype issue, going to check the network pcap this time to see wtf
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• 864[04:47:57] <MoNgd> somiaj i know skype wont let you connect with older ver's, for security blah blah blah, but wtf you are telling people to download the deb and its broken as shit
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• 866[04:48:11] <socomm> Isn't there a web skype now?
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• 869[04:48:33] <MoNgd> socomm yes, its like skypeforlinuxalpha, 1:1 but i want a client
• 870[04:49:58] <themill> MoNgd: Given the owner's plans for that piece of software, you'll need to get used to the web version or argue with them about it
• 871[04:50:22] <MoNgd> themill dont say that!
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• 873[04:50:47] <MoNgd> so ok fine fuck skype, excuse my language
• 874[04:50:59] <MoNgd> what mutli os voip service to use?
• 875[04:51:47] <mtcj> Anything SIP might be a good option
• 876[04:51:57] <mtcj> Google Voice for example
• 877[04:52:01] <MoNgd> skype is easy enough to use that normal people can work it
• 878[04:52:16] <MoNgd> i'd rather struggle a bit instead of trouble shooting my friends 24/7
• 879[04:52:18] <socomm> MoNgd: Asterisk.
• 880[04:52:30] <mtcj> So is the Google Voice in their web browser or app on their phone
• 881[04:52:38] <socomm> Practically anything out there can do SIP now adays.
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• 883[04:54:56] <MoNgd> what about lan only msg?
• 884[04:55:07] <mtcj> Same answer honestly
• 885[04:55:17] <mtcj> Especially Asterisk
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• 887[04:56:55] <MoNgd> its in standard repo right?
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• 896[05:00:52] <khudher99> Hello
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• 899[05:02:05] <socomm> MoNgd: I generally just compile from source, but I think Asterisk is in the standard repos, yes.
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• 904[05:03:26] <dvs> !offtopic
• 905[05:03:27] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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• 909[05:03:46] <MoNgd> sorry
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• 911[05:04:33] <socomm> MoNgd: #debian
• 912[05:04:45] <dvs> ???
• 913[05:05:12] <MoNgd> ok so going to pcap. deb7, deb8, wifi and eth vs skypeforlinux alpha and the skype.com client. something has to give!!!
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• 915[05:05:52] <MoNgd> i get its 3rd party but man this is just insane
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• 917[05:06:46] <themill> Many have used that word in relation to skype over the years.
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• 919[05:07:12] <MoNgd> i got the mic to work today, so that was a victory
• 920[05:07:19] <MoNgd> just saying
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• 973[05:36:53] <nezZario> Hey guys. I'm on cell so excuse me - - I'm doingan install on a new system. I have 2x120gb I'm setting software raid1 on. But when I was donr partitioning it told me there were no efi partitions? What the heck is that?
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• 984[05:43:57] <master_> how do i remove: add-apt-repository ppa:team-xbmc/ppa
• 985[05:43:59] <master_> ?
• 986[05:44:47] <master_> i was able to add but dont know how to remove
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• 989[05:45:32] <nezZario> actually hmm ok i get it
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• 992[05:47:32] <nezZario> so what is advised when doing RAID1: BIOS or EFI ?
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• 994[05:48:06] <nezZario> more-over, what would a proper partition table look like? I'm assuming that instead of having a 512MB /boot partition at the beginning of the disk, I should, isntead, have a small EFI partition ?
• 995[05:48:24] <missmbob> master_: it created a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ...rm it
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• 997[05:48:54] <prussian> nezZario: make sure you have a small segment that is a regular gpt partitioned fat32 partition
• 998[05:49:03] <prussian> otherwise you can uefi boot
• 999[05:49:05] <prussian> can't
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• 1002[05:49:40] <prussian> probably shoudl jsut use the installer... last I saw it handled LVM and mdadm
• 1003[05:49:49] <prussian> please tell em you aren't using Intel fakeraid
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• 1005[05:50:15] <nezZario> I am using the installer, but the guided partitioning will not setup software raid1 for you
• 1006[05:50:23] <nezZario> no idea what that is? i'm using, and always have used, mdadm
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• 1008[05:51:22] <nezZario> actually nevermind. you can setup the RAID1 via manual partitoning and the guided partioning will create the efi partition for you ... that works for me
• 1009[05:51:38] <prussian> there ya go =]
• 1010[05:51:51] <prussian> and ya sorry. some people use intel fakeraid for some god awful reason
• 1011[05:52:03] <prussian> don't please. it isn't any better than software raid
• 1012[05:52:30] <nezZario> just curious -- do you guys usually put swap under the raid device for personal PCs (i'm not talking about mission-critical HA systems here) ?
• 1013[05:52:57] <prussian> i usually don't bother with swap
• 1014[05:53:22] <prussian> if I need it, I make a swapfile since the performance benefits of a dedicated swap partition over the file is nonexistent
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• 1016[05:53:37] <prussian> ever since, latest kernels...
• 1017[05:53:50] <prussian> hope that helps =/
• 1018[05:54:13] <nezZario> Really? That's actually pretty clever. I added a 2x5gb swap into this because, like most, I'm always worried I'll run into a situation way down the road where I temporarily need a massive amount of memory
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• 1020[05:54:34] <nezZario> but i never thought if that comes to pass just to setup a disk-file and use losetup or whatnot
• 1021[05:54:43] <nezZario> i'm going to remove it, then. thanks
• 1022[05:55:31] <prussian> ya ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
• 1023[05:55:34] <prussian> up to you
• 1024[05:56:38] <nezZario> so you actually setup RAID with LVM on top of it and your real partitions on top of that ?
• 1025[05:56:46] <nezZario> i thought about it but thought it might get hairy
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• 1027[05:57:08] <nezZario> i guess i can't always just restall from scratch if things get really wonky. going to give it a go
• 1028[05:57:17] <stoned> $hello
• 1029[05:57:25] <stoned> without the dollars
• 1030[05:57:31] <stoned> hello again
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• 1032[05:58:06] <stoned> xdg-open replaced-url
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• 1035[05:58:24] <stoned> I set it as the default browser in x-replaced-url
• 1036[05:58:39] <stoned> But instead of regular browser, it always opens inside incognito mode
• 1037[05:59:12] <nezZario> Wait, .. I'm guessing the EFI partition needs to be 'bare' ?
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• 1039[05:59:19] <nezZario> i.e. not inside my mdadm raid
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• 1043[06:00:16] <prussian> yes
• 1044[06:00:28] <prussian> it can't be in a structure the UEFI controller can't read
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• 1046[06:00:43] <prussian> it only supports FAT32 as well
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• 1048[06:01:01] <prussian> I believe it MUST be GPT partition table as well
• 1049[06:01:26] <nezZario> well like i said the installer actually has a special choice for 'efi partition' so i assume it'll handle the rest. and you have to go out of your way to create a non-gpt partition via the installer, no ?
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• 1053[06:02:20] <prussian> as far as i know
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• 1056[06:04:05] <nezZario> k well i went ahead and went the lvm route. it's installing now. can't wait... been using a really memory-restricted laptop for months.
• 1057[06:04:09] <nezZario> thanks a ton prussian
• 1058[06:04:34] <stoned> So I opened /home/stoned/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list because I am curious for things in here
• 1059[06:04:49] <stoned> text/html=google-chrome.desktop under [Default Applications]
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• 1061[06:05:14] <prussian> idk stoned. maybe you have an alias that implicitly appends some flag
• 1062[06:05:17] <stoned> so I located google-chrome.desktop in /usr/share/applications/google-chrome.desktop
• 1063[06:05:27] <stoned> Then I did cat /usr/share/applications/google-chrome.desktop
• 1064[06:05:29] <prussian> or you could probably add a flag that prevents incognito mode
• 1065[06:05:39] <stoned> Exec=/usr/bin/google-chrome-stable --incognito <- Why the FUCK do they do dumb shit like this?
• 1066[06:05:43] <prussian> pretty sure chrome take sosme arguments
• 1067[06:05:50] <stoned> This is 5 min of my life, I'm not getting back.
• 1068[06:05:53] <prussian> ....well there you go lol
• 1069[06:05:56] <stoned> But hey, now you can use this info
• 1070[06:05:58] <stoned> :)
• 1071[06:06:03] <prussian> great ty
• 1072[06:06:12] <nezZario> where the heck did you install it from ?
• 1073[06:06:31] <stoned> Then I did cat /usr/share/applications/google-chrome.desktop <- last time of this file is the Exec=/usr/bin/google-chrome-stable --incognito
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• 1075[06:06:46] <prussian> chrome is nonfree, thus comes from whatever deb you get from google.com
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• 1077[06:06:52] <stoned> Why would they package chrome for debian based systems (from google.com) to launch everythign incognito through xdg?
• 1078[06:06:56] <prussian> so idk why they did that
• 1079[06:06:57] <stoned> That's the goofiest thing.
• 1080[06:07:02] <prussian> pretty weird
• 1081[06:07:06] <nezZario> i use the non-free chrome and never had the issue
• 1082[06:07:10] <nezZario> cuz netflix
• 1083[06:07:13] <stoned> Well, I like netfli.
• 1084[06:07:14] <stoned> :D
• 1085[06:07:16] <stoned> Netpoop
• 1086[06:07:18] <stoned> whatver.
• 1087[06:07:19] <nezZario> ;)
• 1088[06:07:22] <prussian> well he's launching it using the xdg stuff
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• 1090[06:08:00] <stoned> That's how debian's installed apps use the default browser in alternatives
• 1091[06:08:03] <stoned> xdg
• 1092[06:08:05] <nezZario> So uh, what is "Debian desktop environment" ?
• 1093[06:08:12] <prussian> probably Gnome 3
• 1094[06:08:14] <stoned> it's a task in tasksel
• 1095[06:08:18] <stoned> you can choose
• 1096[06:08:22] <stoned> otherwise it will install them all
• 1097[06:08:26] <prussian> lol
• 1098[06:08:28] <missmbob> no it wont
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• 1102[06:08:32] <stoned> it will.
• 1103[06:08:45] <stoned> if you don't select a specific one, but * only the top selection, it will.
• 1104[06:08:46] <missmbob> no it wont. that task will install gnome if no other de is selected
• 1105[06:08:51] <missmbob> no
• 1106[06:08:55] <stoned> In my case, I got everythign.
• 1107[06:09:04] <stoned> I know that I'm stoned, but I'm not misremembering.
• 1108[06:09:11] <missmbob> you're still wrong
• 1109[06:09:12] <nezZario> well it says [X] Debian Desktop Environment\n [ ] ... GNOME\n[ ] ... Xfce\n ... etc
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• 1111[06:09:15] <prussian> meh who knows
• 1112[06:09:18] <nezZario> i just want xfce...
• 1113[06:09:26] <prussian> then uncheck deb destop env
• 1114[06:10:03] <missmbob> you dont need to uncheck if you check something else. sigh. it's not that hard
• 1115[06:10:12] <prussian> i usually don't bother and just isntall whatever
• 1116[06:10:15] <stoned> Why are you signing?
• 1117[06:10:18] <stoned> sighing
• 1118[06:10:23] <prussian> fromt he virtual console on first startup
• 1119[06:10:23] <nezZario> oh it installs libreoffice and cups hehe
• 1120[06:10:28] <stoned> If IRC is too much for you, take a break.
• 1121[06:10:35] <stoned> you're being THAT guy.
• 1122[06:10:36] <prussian> lol
• 1123[06:10:37] <prussian> i c
• 1124[06:10:39] <stoned> Don't be THAT guy.
• 1125[06:10:46] <prussian> o ok
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• 1128[06:14:20] <nezZario> actually this is confusing
• 1129[06:15:53] <nezZario> ahhh nevermind. for anyone that's interested: tasksel --list-packages, tasksel --task-packages desktop .. or for the lazy apt-cache depends task-desktop
• 1130[06:16:50] <beatdown> Who is THAT guy?
• 1131[06:16:52] <TomTomTo1> yes, those | stand for OR. if none of them are installed before it will take the first in the list.
• 1132[06:18:00] <TomTomTo1> though the position of the | is a bit weird in that output.
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• 1139[06:21:29] <pingfloyd> nezZario: I wouldn't even bother with tasksel, because everything it install it marks as manually installed. Would be better to just install base then install xorg and xfce4 metapackages through apt-get after installation is done
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• 1141[06:22:02] <nezZario> pingfloyd: yeah i would prefer as well just to know what's coming along with it which is why I was just curious what packages were being installed
• 1142[06:23:10] <pingfloyd> nezZario: think of tasksels to keep the fools that think what comes preinstalled as being a big deal
• 1143[06:23:39] <nezZario> now here is a good question (or maybe a really bad one): ... I have DVD on a usb drive (/dev/sdc1) .. how do I make apt install from it instead of network? I even tried mounting /dev/sdc1 to /media/cdrom but its still insisting to install via network (which I have a b/w cap)
• 1144[06:23:45] <pingfloyd> really the most optimal is install base, and then install what you need as you need it with apt-get/aptitude as you go
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• 1146[06:24:10] <pingfloyd> then you only have packages installed that you actually want
• 1147[06:24:36] <missmbob> nezZario: apt-cdrom
• 1148[06:24:42] <nezZario> actually nvm that worked somehow
• 1149[06:24:46] <pingfloyd> nezZario: with your sources.list
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• 1151[06:27:16] <prussian> you're probably going to need to update a few of those anyhow.
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• 1160[06:36:28] <a1batr0ss> Hi all, i'm having a trouble using international keyboard. I added the language I want to use to Region & Language. I should be able to change the input setting with super+space, but i cannot
• 1161[06:37:06] <tom99> a1batr0ss, first tell us your kernel version and gnome package number and then we can help you.
• 1162[06:37:21] <a1batr0ss> oh my apologies. brb
• 1163[06:37:35] <tom99> nah i'm just fucking with ya I have no idea how to fix it. but it sounded important
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• 1165[06:38:09] <a1batr0ss> hahaha but i bet those info will come in handy for troubleshooting
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• 1172[06:41:01] <a1batr0ss> Linux debian 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u1 (2016-09-03) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 1175[06:41:49] <a1batr0ss> Gnome ver: 3.14.1
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• 1177[06:44:27] <tom99> ah so you're running gnome
• 1178[06:44:38] <tom99> i am too but apparently gnome3 won't run in a virtual machine so it falls back to gnome2
• 1179[06:44:40] <tom99> or something
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• 1181[06:44:47] <jmcnaught> a1batr0ss: you added the layout under the "input sources" part of the "region and language" dialog?
• 1182[06:45:28] <a1batr0ss> yes
• 1183[06:46:13] <jmcnaught> a1batr0ss: if you go to the keyboard setting, shortcuts tab, click on typing, are the switch input source shortcuts correct?
• 1184[06:46:37] <a1batr0ss> yes TT TT
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• 1186[06:47:11] <jmcnaught> a1batr0ss: the super key on your keyboard is the windows key?
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• 1190[06:48:14] <tom99> Hm I don't see an "input sources" part unless it's the list of different languages here
• 1191[06:48:29] <tom99> British English, Chinese, French, German, Spanish
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• 1193[06:49:13] <a1batr0ss> jmcnaught yup windows key, I used windows 7 before november last year
• 1194[06:50:15] <a1batr0ss> tom99 i think i added korean (the language i'd like use as input) in some other way. I installed some related packages (hangul)
• 1195[06:50:27] <jmcnaught> a1batr0ss: super+space works for me, i use it all the time. do any other super+ shortcuts work for you? like super+m for the messages, or super+arrow keys for maximize?
• 1196[06:50:44] <a1batr0ss> so using shortcut and change setting work just well
• 1197[06:50:57] <a1batr0ss> except i just cannot type although the setting has changed. Strange
• 1198[06:50:59] <tom99> Under my system settings -> keyboard I see a lot of keyboard shortcuts but nothing about input changing. apparently i can do a lot with windows though
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• 1200[06:51:50] <tom99> wow super + up arrow and super + down arrow maximize and minimze windows. RADICAL
• 1201[06:52:14] <a1batr0ss> i'm trying something else. I'm going to reboot. I'll be back :)
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• 1203[06:52:23] <tom99> alright a1batr0ss
• 1204[06:52:30] <a1batr0ss> super + H minimizes windows for me too
• 1205[06:52:32] <tom99> sorry we couldn't help you but I sure learned a lot
• 1206[06:52:34] <a1batr0ss> anywho brb
• 1207[06:52:42] <a1batr0ss> no i think it might work this time
• 1208[06:53:12] <jmcnaught> tom99: try super+left/right
• 1209[06:53:18] <nezZario> why can you only get firefox ESR from the official debain repo ?
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• 1211[06:53:52] <jmcnaught> nezZario: because debian changes as little as possible, so using the ESR version makes sense for debian
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• 1213[06:54:05] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell nezZario about mdn
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• 1215[06:54:26] <prussian> it makes sense because keeping up with backporting security only fixes from Firefox upstream became a pain in the ass
• 1216[06:54:56] <prussian> just pray Mozilla's "stable" is stable enough
• 1217[06:54:58] <tom99> jmcnaught, seems to have no effect.
• 1218[06:55:23] <jmcnaught> tom99: for me it maximizes vertically, but only half of the screen
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• 1221[06:56:12] <prussian> tom99 shellshape makes gnome pretty cool as well
• 1222[06:56:28] <prussian> when I have to use gnome... I use that
• 1223[06:56:36] <prussian> or want to, even
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• 1226[06:57:11] <tom99> jmcnaught, maximize window vertically under shortcuts in Keyboard is disabled
• 1227[06:57:22] <tom99> When I entered the keys "super left arrow" and "super right arrow" it worked.
• 1228[06:58:07] <a1batr0ss> jmcnaught, tom99: still cannot type korean...
• 1229[06:58:11] <jmcnaught> tom99: this is as close to tiling as i get
• 1230[06:58:19] <a1batr0ss> (table flipping)
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• 1233[06:59:21] <jmcnaught> a1batr0ss: so now you can switch between korean and english, but when you're in korean layout typing doesn't work?
• 1234[06:59:29] <a1batr0ss> exactly
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• 1236[06:59:58] <a1batr0ss> would it be something to do with ibus? I don't have enough knowledge about it
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• 1238[07:00:27] <prussian> is typing in Korean similar to Japanese? where you type in romanized spellings and they transform into the appropriate symbol?
• 1239[07:00:33] <jmcnaught> a1batr0ss: neither do i with my anglo-privilege :/ but did you install the task-korean-desktop package? that should pull in the stuff you need
• 1240[07:00:45] <tom99> prussian, the problem with that is it makes it hard to use other people's computers if you learn an extension so much
• 1241[07:00:50] <prussian> ya that might be the best bet
• 1242[07:00:50] <tom99> plus i can't tell what's going on in the video lol
• 1243[07:01:30] <a1batr0ss> task-korean-desktop pkg? nope. I might try. It displays korean just fine though (both on the browser and desktop environment)
• 1244[07:01:38] <a1batr0ss> btw, i'm going to reboot and come back. Changed everything to Korean but it's not helping me with typing
• 1245[07:01:50] <tom99> prussian, I do like the reshaping the windows
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• 1247[07:02:03] <prussian> and you have your locale set as well?
• 1248[07:02:16] <prussian> or is that set by the gnome config tool for you?
• 1249[07:02:32] <tom99> not sure, where do i check it? gnome3 config?
• 1250[07:02:36] <prussian> ya its useful for window management tom99
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• 1253[07:04:09] <tom99> prussian, i can't see where the locale is. I picked Advanced Settings but that's not it. is it under System Settings?
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• 1256[07:05:44] <jmcnaught> a1batr0ss: if you don't want to install task-korean-desktop you should look at what it installs: "apt-cache show task-korean-desktop | grep Recommends"
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• 1259[07:05:59] <tom99> prussian, can I resize windows like this tiling with a different window manager?
• 1260[07:06:10] <tom99> or in gnome is shellshape the only way to do it?
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• 1262[07:06:33] <a1batr0ss> jmcnaught somehow i doubt task-korean package would help my situation but i'll do it
• 1263[07:06:35] <prussian> you fan do whatever....
• 1264[07:06:38] <prussian> can
• 1265[07:06:55] <prussian> you can check your locale with echo $LOCALE
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• 1269[07:07:36] <a1batr0ss> oh, those recommendation seems helpful!!
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• 1271[07:07:40] <a1batr0ss> thansk jmbcnaught
• 1272[07:07:45] <a1batr0ss> jmcnaught*
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• 1274[07:08:26] <tom99> that variable has no value prusian for me
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• 1276[07:09:35] <a1batr0ss> hmmm i wonder if installing and chaning to korean-desktop environment would solve the issue... I'll try and come back
• 1277[07:09:38] <a1batr0ss> thanks for the help!
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• 1279[07:10:21] <a1batr0ss> I have one more question regarding apt command
• 1280[07:10:35] <tom99> a1batr0ss, I just say things and make jokes and report honestly what my system does when I enter a command
• 1281[07:10:43] <tom99> for this I get called a troll sometimes. lol
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• 1283[07:10:54] <a1batr0ss> when i search something and pipe, and use grep it says: WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface yet. Use with caution in scripts.
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• 1286[07:11:43] <pingfloyd> a1batr0ss: you want apt-get or other apt-* tools for that
• 1287[07:12:06] <tom99> a1batr0ss, I found an askubuntu question about that problem from 2014
• 1288[07:12:06] <jmcnaught> a1batr0ss: that means that the syntax for apt might change in stretch, so if you write a script that uses apt you might need to update it later on
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• 1290[07:12:15] <a1batr0ss> nah i was just curious why it gives that warning when it does perfectly what i wants it to do
• 1291[07:12:17] <tom99> so it sure is taking awhile to become stable lololol
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• 1294[07:12:24] <a1batr0ss> ok
• 1295[07:12:37] <a1batr0ss> hahaha
• 1296[07:12:59] <jmcnaught> aptitude has the best search
• 1297[07:13:15] <tom99> yeah ikr a1batr0ss, it's like when you buy a new ford taurus and everytime you turn the key you get a warning "Warning, the act of using a key to start your car may change in the next model of car"
• 1298[07:13:54] <a1batr0ss> your analogy is quite apt lol pun intended
• 1299[07:14:14] <tom99> and with that this has been your #debian help for the evening. Good night folks!
• 1300[07:14:30] <a1batr0ss> GN!
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• 1302[07:16:00] <jhutchins> So I'm late to the party, but openoffice.com is a malware site. It's suprrising that a major project like that let itself get hijacked.
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• 1304[07:16:36] <pingfloyd> you want openoffice.org
• 1305[07:16:36] <themill> a1batr0ss: if you're using apt inside a pipe then there's a good chance you're trying to write a script with it and that is expressly discouraged by the developers at the moment. apt exists to allow them to tweak how it behaves and how its interface works while leaving apt-get with the same behaviour so as not to break things for people.
• 1306[07:16:38] <ryouma> o.O
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• 1310[07:16:54] <pingfloyd> but I'd want libreoffice anyway
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• 1312[07:17:15] <jhutchins> pingfloyd: Yeah, would've been my choice, but my dad isn't network savvy.
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• 1314[07:17:36] <nezZario> just curious, ... what would I want to try if i was unable to reach the resolution I want ?
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• 1316[07:18:12] <jhutchins> pingfloyd: The question is who is the dipwit who didn't register .com?
• 1317[07:18:21] <ryouma> themill: aha, so it is intended as possibly the standard tool in the future?
• 1318[07:18:46] <pingfloyd> themill: and this is why he should use apt-* tools in his scripts instead
• 1319[07:18:50] <themill> yes
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• 1321[07:19:08] <ryouma> nezZario: xrandr can actually create a resolution that you video card / monitor does not seem to support. then you can use it.
• 1322[07:19:12] <pingfloyd> I think of apt more like being a front-end for apt-* tools
• 1323[07:19:20] <nezZario> On this new PC, I can only go up to 1024x768 although the native resolution for this monitor is 1366x768
• 1324[07:19:22] <themill> The intention is to allow apt(8) to be improved without people complaining that their setup broke
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• 1326[07:19:32] <pingfloyd> like "their script"
• 1327[07:19:54] <nezZario> it's just some on-board video ...
• 1328[07:19:56] <nezZario> i'll check it out
• 1329[07:19:56] <themill> (while any backwards-incompatible changes to apt-get(8) would result in lots of people screaming)
• 1330[07:20:08] <ryouma> nezZario: xrandr --newmode
• 1331[07:20:11] <_unreal_> how would I find out what is using the network? I have some program that is running and I dont know what it is thats eating a lot of bandwith on this computer?
• 1332[07:20:32] <a1batr0ss> thanks for the explanation, themill
• 1333[07:20:34] <beatdown> jhutchins: its not openoffice developers job to prevent your dad from being a retard
• 1334[07:20:49] <a1batr0ss> sorry for join flooding folks!
• 1335[07:21:09] <jhutchins> beatdown: I've known about the need to register alternitive domains since about 1993.
• 1336[07:21:10] <ryouma> _unreal_: nethogs -p -- show /unix process/ and bandwidth hogs real time
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• 1338[07:21:48] <beatdown> The application is also called "openoffice.org" and not "openoffice" so it should be pretty self explanitory
• 1339[07:22:12] <pingfloyd> should never assume any domain name is valid
• 1340[07:22:22] <pingfloyd> should always do some checking first
• 1341[07:22:37] <beatdown> But yeah, registering the .com, .net, and .org is good practice
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• 1344[07:22:48] <pingfloyd> like what about projects that have an official site with a domain name that isn't anything like their project's name?
• 1345[07:22:53] <alercah> Hi all. I need to set an Xorg.conf line for my display
• 1346[07:22:58] <alercah> how/where do I do that?
• 1347[07:23:34] <beatdown> pingfloyd: I was just responding to jhutchins comment about his dad installing malware by visiting openoffice.com
• 1348[07:23:43] <pingfloyd> registering similar domain name to a legit project is scammers' favorite phishing tactic
• 1349[07:23:57] <jhutchins> I frankly suspect it's militant ignorance.
• 1350[07:23:58] <beatdown> Agreed
• 1351[07:23:59] <ryouma> strange. nethogs is not working. it says "creating socket failed while establishing local IP - are you root?". i am root.
• 1352[07:24:01] <jhutchins> "We are too pure to even associate with .com"
• 1353[07:24:06] <_unreal_> naturally not installed
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• 1355[07:24:35] <beatdown> The blame rests with your dad, nobody else.
• 1356[07:25:04] <jhutchins> beatdown: Um, besides fuck you, no, it's a public nucance.
• 1357[07:25:04] <pingfloyd> your dad needs to learn not to fall for the oldest tricks in the book
• 1358[07:25:13] <jmcnaught> i encourage my friends and family to look for official websites on wikipedia. This discussion should probably move to #debian-offtopic if it's going to continue though :)
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• 1360[07:25:23] <_unreal_> ryouma, never used that program before
• 1361[07:25:33] <_unreal_> I'm not sure what to put in for unix processes
• 1362[07:25:43] <beatdown> heh
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• 1364[07:25:55] <_unreal_> nethogs -p -- show /unix process/
• 1365[07:25:58] <jhutchins> Apache has some obligation not to allow such obvious hackery.
• 1366[07:26:25] <jhutchins> Yeah, my dad's a windows using dolt, but still.
• 1367[07:26:26] <ryouma> _unreal_: just call it
• 1368[07:26:39] * beatdown is afk
• 1369[07:26:55] <_unreal_> ?"
• 1370[07:26:56] <pingfloyd> also check sites like replaced-url
• 1371[07:26:59] <jhutchins> beatdown should remain so.
• 1372[07:27:04] <_unreal_> I dont know what that means
• 1373[07:27:31] <pingfloyd> you can only do so much in saving people from their own ignorance
• 1374[07:27:35] <beatdown> jhutchins: whoa, calm down bud
• 1375[07:27:53] <beatdown> sorry daddy fucked up
• 1376[07:27:58] <jhutchins> pingfloyd: That should not be the first course of action when looking at a project.
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• 1378[07:28:15] <pingfloyd> at a certain point people need to own their ignorance and become more proactive
• 1379[07:28:42] <beatdown> Its called personal responsibility, something kids these days know nothing of
• 1380[07:28:50] <pingfloyd> it's like the other day I was warning a friend about not using nametest.com, but then they replied, "but it's fun".
• 1381[07:29:08] <pingfloyd> At that point I just rolled my eyes and said "fuck it" to myself.
• 1382[07:29:29] <jhutchins> pingfloyd: Yeah, but .com vs. .org is something the project should be responsible for, I've take responsibilit for it for a couple of decades.
• 1383[07:29:47] <pingfloyd> jhutchins: that sounds more like passing the blame to me
• 1384[07:29:49] <jhutchins> $15 a year is well within due dilligence.
• 1385[07:30:18] <beatdown> Its exactly what it is
• 1386[07:30:21] <jhutchins> pingfloyd: I think a case could be made for "attractive nuisance".
• 1387[07:30:40] <pingfloyd> it's like saying, that person I hit shouldn't have used their brakes.
• 1388[07:30:58] <jhutchins> I'm not a defender of willful ignorance, but this is on the accidental level.
• 1389[07:31:23] <beatdown> Or nobody stopped me from ingesting this bleach, I blame the manufacturer.
• 1390[07:31:28] <TomTomTo1> can you be asses somewhere else? ^^
• 1391[07:32:51] <jhutchins> No, the stupid purists at the project should have had a brain and should have anticipated that someone would do this, and they really should have covered it. It's not like they just got on line last Wednesday.
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• 1393[07:33:19] <jhutchins> TomTomTo1: Yes, thank you. Done.
• 1394[07:33:25] <beatdown> Dad fucked up, end of story.
• 1395[07:33:43] <jhutchins> beatdown: ooo fucked up. Done.
• 1396[07:34:03] <pingfloyd> if he's smart he'll learn from it instead of blaming others
• 1397[07:34:28] <jhutchins> Serious neglect by the project .. and sorry TomTomTo1 I said done.
• 1398[07:35:31] <nezZario> actually ehh
• 1399[07:36:13] <pingfloyd> the internet will always be a hostile network
• 1400[07:36:29] <jhutchins> pingfloyd: Yeah, and suckers aboud.
• 1401[07:36:41] <nezZario> whatever built my xorg conf .. how can I make it rebuild ?
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• 1403[07:36:56] <prussian> the maintainer did lol
• 1404[07:37:05] <nezZario> i swapped out the dsub/vga out for the hdmi .. i'm pretty sure it would grab the correct resolution this time around
• 1405[07:37:06] <jhutchins> When you create a honeypot because you're sanctimoniously pure...
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• 1409[07:39:21] <prussian> pretty sure that's a violation of most registrars anyhow
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• 1413[07:43:32] <vvande_> here's an old problem I just ran into again
• 1414[07:43:52] <vvande_> how do I make resolv.conf stay static?
• 1415[07:44:04] <vvande_> this is on a server
• 1416[07:44:19] <prussian> probably not a good idea
• 1417[07:44:22] <pingfloyd> vvande_: more the question is what is changing it
• 1418[07:44:28] <vvande_> exactly
• 1419[07:44:34] <pingfloyd> vvande_: network-manager and other daemons often do
• 1420[07:44:34] <vvande_> don't know yet
• 1421[07:44:37] <prussian> I know some networks will block outbout DNS queries
• 1422[07:44:42] <vvande_> no network-manager installed
• 1423[07:44:45] <vvande_> and no dhcp
• 1424[07:44:58] <prussian> read the top comment... usually it says "this config is maintained by blah"
• 1425[07:45:06] <prussian> ideally anyhow...
• 1426[07:45:21] <vvande_> top comment I'm familiar with, but there is none hre
• 1427[07:46:10] <vvande_> and there seems to be no resolvconf and no resolvconf.conf
• 1428[07:46:21] <pingfloyd> there are many
• 1429[07:46:27] <vvande_> I'm completely at a loss. :(
• 1430[07:47:16] <vvande_> this is Debian 7, btw
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• 1432[07:47:59] <pingfloyd> one thing you could do is install auditd package and use auditctl to see what process is changing it
• 1433[07:48:18] <vvande_> prussian: it defaults to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4
• 1434[07:48:37] <vvande_> pingfloyd: it's called auditd?
• 1435[07:49:31] <prussian> lol
• 1436[07:49:40] <vvande_> ok, it's in - I'll check it out
• 1437[07:50:06] <prussian> you can try chattr +i on it
• 1438[07:50:13] <prussian> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
• 1439[07:50:19] <prussian> kind of a nuclear option ig
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• 1441[07:50:37] <ranix> do it
• 1442[07:50:58] <pingfloyd> I wouldn't chattr it
• 1443[07:51:05] <ranix> you don't have the guts
• 1444[07:51:07] <pingfloyd> that's like a bandaid
• 1445[07:51:16] <ranix> it's like a war cry
• 1446[07:51:21] <jmcnaught> better to find what's changing it so you don't have something you don't understand running on your server potentially surprising you at some point
• 1447[07:51:23] <prussian> ya i know
• 1448[07:51:31] <pingfloyd> ^
• 1449[07:51:32] <prussian> like I said. nuclear option
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• 1451[07:52:19] <vvande_> not running anything important right now - just apache
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• 1453[07:52:32] <vvande_> but was trying my hand at BIND
• 1454[07:52:43] <jmcnaught> !resolvconf
• 1455[07:52:43] <dpkg> it has been said that resolvconf is a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Many packages including ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, pump, pdnsd, dnsmasq, ... are compatible with resolvconf, making it easier to manage your DNS settings. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>. See also <resolv.conf>.
• 1456[07:53:52] <nezZario> vvande_: i've literally done chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf before
• 1457[07:54:01] <nezZario> it's dumb and doesn't fix the root issue but it will work.
• 1458[07:54:04] <prussian> hahahaha
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• 1460[07:54:38] <nezZario> so I'm guessing I might need some drivers or something
• 1461[07:54:42] <vvande_> I've seen that mentioned in many places. Didn't really want to go there yet.
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• 1463[07:54:56] <themill> vvande_: how are you configuring your networking on this machine?
• 1464[07:55:04] <nezZario> xrandr --fb 1920x1080 says "screen cannot be larger than 1024x768"
• 1465[07:55:12] <prussian> o jeez
• 1466[07:55:30] <vvande_> themill: it's a VPS - so just ssh
• 1467[07:55:37] <themill> ummm, no.
• 1468[07:55:41] <prussian> ok...
• 1469[07:55:46] <prussian> so are you using ifup only?
• 1470[07:55:51] <prussian> or network manager?
• 1471[07:55:52] <prussian> or...
• 1472[07:55:56] <prussian> well literally anything?
• 1473[07:56:34] <vvande_> it's just default with static ipv4
• 1474[07:56:51] <themill> and how do you configure that?
• 1475[07:56:59] <prussian> so
• 1476[07:57:03] <prussian> it's probably ifup
• 1477[07:57:07] <prussian> ~_~
• 1478[07:57:08] <apt> STOP THAT!
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• 1480[07:57:23] <themill> I don't want "probably" from someone who knows nothing about the box...
• 1481[07:57:51] <themill> vvande_: can you pastebin the entirety of /etc/network/interfaces for us
• 1482[07:57:59] <vvande_> k
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• 1485[07:59:57] <nezZario> vvande_: you just add the dns servers to your network interfaces config if you're using ifup -- which you're using ifup if you aren't explicitly using anything else / basically any VPS's as-it-came config
• 1486[08:00:13] <prussian> ^
• 1487[08:00:24] <themill> so many assumptions
• 1488[08:00:28] <vvande_> hang on, i'll check that thanks
• 1489[08:00:30] <prussian> it will have a nameserver field
• 1490[08:00:31] <prussian> ok
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• 1494[08:00:40] <prussian> it's a pretty safe one...
• 1495[08:01:20] <themill> except for all the VPSes where the network is configured from the host; and the ones that use dhcp; and the ones that come with a pile of goo in rc.local to do it
• 1496[08:02:06] <nezZario> i was just about to say .. AWS being the only major one I can think of that typically ends up being configured via dhcp
• 1497[08:02:29] <prussian> well that would be pretty gross then themill
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• 1500[08:03:17] <prussian> the rc.local part
• 1501[08:03:42] <nezZario> what's the word you use in network/interfaces ?
• 1502[08:03:49] <nezZario> is it 'dns' or 'resolve' ?
• 1503[08:03:55] <nezZario> or 'nameserver' ?
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• 1506[08:04:08] <prussian> pretty sure it's nameserver
• 1507[08:04:14] <pingfloyd> stop guessing
• 1508[08:04:16] <vvande_> hmm, the /etc/network/interfaces was rewritten now
• 1509[08:04:24] <prussian> wut
• 1510[08:04:32] <vvande_> I put nameserver in it and it's not there now
• 1511[08:04:36] <themill> Sure you're looking on the right machine?
• 1512[08:05:09] <vvande_> yep, just saw this
• 1513[08:05:11] <vvande_> Please create/edit /etc/network/interfaces.head
• 1514[08:05:20] <vvande_> I'll look at that - lol
• 1515[08:05:24] <nezZario> i can't find it in the docs either
• 1516[08:05:32] <prussian> ...
• 1517[08:05:56] <nezZario> vvande_: anyway, -- why everyone keeps asking is it depends on what you're using to conf your connections ... dhcp clients and network-manager will overwrite resolve.conf
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• 1520[08:06:32] <nezZario> so uh, where should I even start here? i'm stuck in 1024x768
• 1521[08:06:47] <vvande_> nezZario: thanks, that's why I made it clear that there is no network manager and no dhcp
• 1522[08:07:10] <vvande_> here is the whole message I see in interfaces:
• 1523[08:07:11] <vvande_> # WARNING: Do not edit this file, your changes will be lost.
• 1524[08:07:11] <vvande_> # Please create/edit /etc/network/interfaces.head and
• 1525[08:07:11] <vvande_> # /etc/network/interfaces.tail instead, their contents will be
• 1526[08:07:11] <vvande_> # inserted at the beginning and at the end of this file, respectively.
• 1527[08:07:12] *** vvande_ was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
• 1528[08:07:14] <prussian> o hell I don't know nezZario, did you install the appropriate Xorg 2D display drivers?
• 1529[08:07:34] <prussian> lol
• 1530[08:07:35] <prussian> ....
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• 1532[08:07:55] <nezZario> I didn't explicitly install anything myself anyway
• 1533[08:08:13] <prussian> well what GPU?
• 1534[08:08:15] <vvande_> not sure what happened, #debian just blipped off the screen
• 1535[08:08:25] <prussian> ya you got kicked for flooding
• 1536[08:08:26] <nezZario> vvande_: you flooded. don't paste here, use a pastebin
• 1537[08:08:27] <prussian> lol
• 1538[08:08:35] <themill> dpkg: tell vvande_ about paste
• 1539[08:08:45] <nezZario> prussian: it's just an on-board video on a gigabyte mobo
• 1540[08:09:01] <prussian> I usually use sprunge.us since you make a cute little alias for it
• 1541[08:09:16] <vvande_> I'll just do a test.
• 1542[08:09:56] <nezZario> it's kinda frustrating, I don't know anything about this pc .. it was purchased for me by the company I worked for and came with win10 of course
• 1543[08:10:47] <nezZario> The monitor I'm trying to use with it ... it works fine when I plug it up to my laptop and it goes into 1920x1080 .. and it says it has a 60hz v-sync rate and a 68KHz h-sync rate
• 1544[08:10:57] <nezZario> i'm guessing it's a driver issue, though
• 1545[08:11:33] <prussian> nezZario: is it hdmi?
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• 1547[08:11:49] <prussian> hmm
• 1548[08:11:54] <prussian> trying to think
• 1549[08:14:30] <nezZario> yeah
• 1550[08:14:45] <pingfloyd> vvande_: you sure you don't have resolvconf installed?
• 1551[08:14:54] <nezZario> it has an hdmi and d-sub
• 1552[08:14:56] <nezZario> i tried them both
• 1553[08:15:23] <nezZario> lord have mercy
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• 1555[08:15:47] <nezZario> searching for the chipset amd 68h, i found this super spammy site, just for kicks tried downloading and it gave me an .exe for "linux drivers"
• 1556[08:16:38] <vvande_> pingfloyd: I can't find it. There is a resolvconf directory with update-libc.d
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• 1558[08:17:01] <vvande_> which is a directory with -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 188 May 3 2012 fetchmail
• 1559[08:17:02] <vvande_> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 392 Feb 11 2013 sendmail
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• 1562[08:18:38] <jmcnaught> vvande_: did you put your /etc/network/interfaces file in a paste?
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• 1565[08:19:03] <vvande_> no don't have anyplace to paste yet - that's a nother project
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• 1567[08:19:11] <vvande_> I'll put it on the web - justasec
• 1568[08:19:15] <jmcnaught> vvande_: replaced-url
• 1569[08:19:31] <vvande_> thanks - will try that ... justasec
• 1570[08:21:20] <vvande_> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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• 1575[08:22:17] <vvande_> I created a /etc/network/interfaces.tail file with nameserver 91.239.100.100
• 1576[08:22:37] <vvande_> and it didn't show up after restarting networking, nor after reboot
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• 1578[08:23:18] <jmcnaught> vvande_: Debian does not use interfaces.{head,tail}. is there some package you installed for this, or are you using a derivative?
• 1579[08:23:37] <vvande_> like I said , it's a VPS
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• 1581[08:23:41] <jmcnaught> vvande_: what generates your /e/n/interfaces file?
• 1582[08:23:47] <vvande_> don't know
• 1583[08:24:05] <themill> vvande_: it's a VPS tells us nothing in answer to these questions
• 1584[08:24:07] <vvande_> it's part of the template when I install Debian from Solus
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• 1587[08:24:34] <vvande_> themill: what can I say?
• 1588[08:24:40] <jmcnaught> vvande_: you may need to ask your service provider how networking is configured before you make any progress
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• 1590[08:25:02] <themill> vvande_: well, a real answer to "is there some package you installed for this, or are you using a derivative?" would be fair.
• 1591[08:25:11] <vvande_> jmcnaught: that's the point i've gotten to now. You're probably right. I've tried everything else. :)
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• 1593[08:25:20] <nezZario> sweet, I got it
• 1594[08:25:34] <vvande_> themill: on almost all VPS one installs from Solus
• 1595[08:25:38] <vvande_> they're all the same
• 1596[08:25:44] <themill> vvande_: that doesn't answer the question though
• 1597[08:25:49] <vvande_> pick an OS and it's done
• 1598[08:25:52] <beatdown> Does anyone have a GTK music player that's not Rhythmbox they can recommend?
• 1599[08:25:55] <nezZario> installing firmware-linux-nonfree done the job
• 1600[08:26:33] <themill> vvande_: you're doing the equivalent of Q: "Are you running Debian?", A: "Today is Sunday."
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• 1604[08:27:20] <prussian> nezZario: great
• 1605[08:27:24] <vvande_> themill: I am using a VPS which is like many other VPSs I've used. One clicks on the OS of choice and the template is installed. How do you do it?
• 1606[08:27:26] <prussian> or well... not grea...
• 1607[08:27:43] <vvande_> themill: I think you are not familiar with the situation. :)
• 1608[08:27:51] <jmcnaught> beatdown: GNOME has a Music application. why does it need to be GTK?
• 1609[08:28:02] <themill> vvande_: that doesn't actually tell us whether you've installed something else or whether what you have has some other magic packages installed
• 1610[08:28:39] <vvande_> themill: sorry :(
• 1611[08:29:03] <themill> You'll probably find that no-one here knows anything about solusvm templates and so you need to find out the answers to these questions
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• 1613[08:29:20] <vvande_> themill: sounds like it
• 1614[08:29:26] <vvande_> I'll go elsewhere.
• 1615[08:29:37] <Elronnd> is there a way to tell amixer to unmute the volume if it's currently muted, and to mute it if it's unmuted?
• 1616[08:29:39] <beatdown> jcmnaught: because I use zero QT applications right now and there's no point in pulling in all those deps for one app
• 1617[08:29:47] <Elronnd> or do I have to write a script to detect that?
• 1618[08:29:59] <themill> vvande_: umm, you don't need to go elsewhere, you can work this out for yourself
• 1619[08:30:19] <beatdown> I'm not using GNOME, I just figured others might have a suggestion other than Rhythmbox
• 1620[08:31:19] <themill> vvande_: and if you try to actually answer the questions people ask, you'll get help in doing so. Batting every question away means we actually know just as little about your situation now as we did 40min ago.
• 1621[08:32:25] <Elronnd> nvm, found it
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• 1625[08:33:36] <jmcnaught> beatdown: "aptitude search ~Gsound::player~Guitoolkit::gtk" some debtags that might be useful. Personally I don't mind having libraries installed for different UI toolkits because they're usually just a few dozen MB and I have a few hundred GB
• 1626[08:34:21] <beatdown> True
• 1627[08:37:08] <prussian> vvande_: just chattr +i it...
• 1628[08:38:09] <jmcnaught> beatdown: debtags are a good way to explore packages in Debian. There's a debtags package/command that lets you find tag names
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• 1632[08:38:48] <jmcnaught> beatdown: and then you can use the debtags to search in aptitude like i did above
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• 1638[08:43:03] <vvande_> themill: I'm answering as best I can. I've been at this for 30 years now and I think you're making assumptions. :)
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• 1640[08:43:54] <themill> vvande_: I'm not at all and umm with that level of experience, you should know that the answers you're giving are useless for us to help you.
• 1641[08:43:57] <vvande_> prussian: yes chattr +i is probably it. Two hours of Googling didn't come up with anything better. Many people have this problem
• 1642[08:44:10] <deego> Has debian fixed the systemd bug yet?
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• 1644[08:44:46] <themill> deego: you'd be looking for specific bug numbers at bugs.debian.org for that information.
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• 1647[08:45:47] <themill> vvande_: Start by working out if they install any extra packages on the machine that are not from debian. Look at the scripts in /etc to see if it is rewriting things on boot (or perhaps in /sbin). A grep for interfaces.head would be a starting point, for instance.
• 1648[08:46:07] <themill> It sounds a lot like these things are supposed to be configured from outside the VM, however,
• 1649[08:47:08] <vvande_> themill: I'm starting to think so. I haven't tried to look at nameservers on any of my servers before because they're normally not needed. My ignrance there. :)
• 1650[08:47:49] <vvande_> In fact I'm thinking that perhaps I shouldn't worry about it, but it does seem that some Bind install want 127.0.0.1 there.
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• 1652[08:48:07] <themill> The point of this solusvm stuff appears to be that you'd fiddle with it using their own management interface and not using the native tools / config files
• 1653[08:49:18] <vvande_> not exactly - I can install or delete anything I want, as per normal. It's just the network interface that's different - being a virtual install.
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• 1655[08:50:34] <vvande_> I don't see the point in the VM controlling the nameservers though. The IP and stuff yes, but nameservers?
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• 1660[08:53:25] <pingfloyd> I think venet and /etc/network/interfaces.{head,tail} is an openvz thing
• 1661[08:53:25] <themill> vvande_: until we see what's actually in your config, it's a bit hard to know what or why
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• 1665[08:54:45] <pingfloyd> this really looks like an issue that VPS provider support should be queried
• 1666[08:54:50] <vvande_> themill: I pasted this earlier: replaced-url
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• 1669[08:55:42] <vvande_> themill: that's my /etc/interfaces file (sorry didn't put that in there)
• 1670[08:56:23] <themill> that's quite exciting
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• 1678[08:58:48] <vvande_> pingfloyd: yep, looks like I've bumped into openvz here.
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• 1681[08:59:17] <vvande_> thanks to you guys though for bringing me to that point :)
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• 1683[08:59:30] <pingfloyd> "The script that sets the resolv.conf is in /etc/vz/dists/scripts/set_dns.sh on the node and is installed with the vzctl package."
• 1684[09:00:15] <vvande_> and that is far out of my reach, unfortunately
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• 1686[09:00:44] <pingfloyd> replaced-url
• 1687[09:00:45] <vvande_> I'm going to reevaluate my needs here and then see about opening a ticket perhaps.
• 1688[09:00:54] <vvande_> lol!
• 1689[09:01:03] <vvande_> I hang there, as we speak. :)
• 1690[09:01:10] * vvande_ reading ...
• 1691[09:03:08] * themill wonders if openvz is what vvande_ thought they were paying for
• 1692[09:03:11] <pingfloyd> vvande_: read that whole thread, it goes into detail about this exact issue
• 1693[09:03:41] <pingfloyd> especially what rm_ says
• 1694[09:03:51] <vvande_> am reading the whole thread (it's my home turf lol)
• 1695[09:03:59] <vvande_> rm_ is good
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• 1697[09:04:39] <vvande_> half of these guys are providers using openvz
• 1698[09:05:06] <Elronnd> when I try to change the gamma with xrandr, it changes for a moment, then switches back to normal
• 1699[09:05:10] <Elronnd> how can I change the gamma?
• 1700[09:05:50] <prussian> probably some DE color manager daemon
• 1701[09:06:20] <annoymouse4210> When dose ZOL (zfsonlinux) arrive at debian package?
• 1702[09:07:49] <babilen> judd: v zfs-dkms
• 1703[09:07:50] <judd> Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.7-2~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 0.6.5.8-1; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.8-1
• 1704[09:07:54] <babilen> annoymouse4210: ^
• 1705[09:08:06] <annoymouse4210> huh???
• 1706[09:08:37] <annoymouse4210> thanks
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• 1708[09:08:49] <babilen> Enjoy :)
• 1709[09:09:05] <annoymouse4210> is it released recently?
• 1710[09:09:07] <Elronnd> prussian: is there a way to kill it?
• 1711[09:09:16] <Elronnd> (this colour management process, that is)
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• 1713[09:09:44] <vvande_> pingfloyd: themill: thankyou for your help. That thread is what I need to know - I can deal with it from there.
• 1714[09:09:49] <vvande_> thanks again :)
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• 1718[09:11:29] <prussian> Elronnd: are you using gnome or what?
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• 1720[09:12:14] <annoymouse4210> where should I report dependencies mismatch in debian packages?
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• 1723[09:13:07] <pingfloyd> annoymouse4210: on one of the mailing lists
• 1724[09:14:03] <jmcnaught> annoymouse4210: first you can make a paste of the command and output and ask about it here
• 1725[09:14:50] <annoymouse4210> zfs-dkms in backports require kernel <=4.6 but current kernel in backports is 4.7
• 1726[09:15:01] <conformist> are there anybody know when MATE 1.16 will arrive in sid?
• 1727[09:15:10] <themill> vvande_: good luck with that... seems pretty icky
• 1728[09:15:35] <annoymouse4210> replaced-url
• 1729[09:15:36] <TomTomTo1> annoymouse4210: backports kernel is 4.6 right now.
• 1730[09:15:51] <TomTomTo1> replaced-url
• 1731[09:16:18] <annoymouse4210> dep: linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
• 1732[09:16:18] <annoymouse4210> Package not available
• 1733[09:16:36] <annoymouse4210> you cannot download 4.6.0 try it on jessie I tested it
• 1734[09:16:45] <TomTomTo1> ah, that's weird.
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• 1736[09:16:57] <annoymouse4210> yeah weird something goes wrong
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• 1738[09:17:05] <TomTomTo1> i guess that will be fixed soon.
• 1739[09:17:15] <annoymouse4210> yeah I think so too
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• 1742[09:18:53] <TomTomTo1> #838739
• 1743[09:18:54] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1744[09:19:15] <TomTomTo1> message 35 being the interesting one.
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• 1749[09:21:06] <annoymouse4210> thanks for searching instead me :)
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• 1778[09:46:11] <Knaldgas> Need some directories with quotas (max size). What's the best way to achieve that? quota package, loop-back device or some other approach?
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• 1791[09:55:54] <FreeAssange> debian kind of sucks
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• 1793[09:56:37] <aZz7eCh> he's lying.
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• 1798[10:01:28] <DDR> Hi all, I just installed wine, tried to run a program, failed, uninstalled wine, and now my computer won't make any sounds. At all. :|
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• 1801[10:01:44] <DDR> I'm dual-booting, the windows side of things of course works excellently.
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• 1805[10:02:17] <DDR> Anyone got any tips?
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• 1810[10:06:38] <borsin> which distro?
• 1811[10:06:52] <DDR> Debian 8.
• 1812[10:07:23] <borsin> did you try purging wine?
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• 1814[10:08:35] <DDR> Yes, it wasn't installed now though. I did not try autoremoving the packages it required, though.
• 1815[10:08:42] <DDR> I now have.
• 1816[10:09:57] <DDR> aaaand got it.
• 1817[10:10:47] <DDR> Had to turn the output device to built-in analog stereo, from my graphics card, and then select specifically 'headphones (unplugged)' as the output device port.
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• 1820[10:11:37] <DDR> I'm guessing Wine hosed a config file somewhere. :/
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• 1823[10:12:24] <aZz7eCh> novice question, but can you rerun install of gnome in hopes of it fixing the changes
• 1824[10:12:29] <DDR> (I did this in pavucontrol.)
• 1825[10:12:44] <DDR> aZz7eCh: What changes?
• 1826[10:13:14] <DDR> (If you do the same action again, then you'll probably get the same results.)
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• 1845[10:31:19] <gebruiker> how much would it benefit me to use zfs on a dsktop?
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• 1848[10:32:36] <beatdown> I was using ZFS under FreeBSD on my workstation
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• 1853[10:34:23] <babilen> gebruiker: Would you like to use any of its features?
• 1854[10:35:25] <gebruiker> babilen, i just want its performance - from what I read and saw about it
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• 1861[10:39:18] <babilen> gebruiker: Well, then measure the performance of various filesystems you consider using and use the fastest
• 1862[10:39:42] <babilen> If you beleive ZFS to be the fastest already, then just use it right away. It's a good filesystem.
• 1863[10:39:46] <gebruiker> babilen, i did my research but was abit unsure
• 1864[10:40:31] <gebruiker> babilen, and if I have to install it.. it will be a new learning curve. I am only a bit concerned because I read it does not play well memory wise with the linux kernel - it uses it own memory
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• 1866[10:40:39] <gebruiker> i just wanted to know if that was FUD on my end
• 1867[10:41:39] <babilen> I am not ruling out that there are problems
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• 1871[10:42:10] <babilen> All I am saying is: If you only care about performance and you believe that ZFS is the fastest of them all that you should use it
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• 1874[10:42:39] <babilen> I typically look for other things in a filesystem as well (e.g. reliability, deduplication, ...)
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• 1877[10:42:58] <gebruiker> oh i just read on the zfsonlinux website that 2 gb is minimum requirement and that it will run slowly on it. I have 3gb. 4GB of mem is recommended for normal performance in basic worloads. 16 Gb is recommended for minimum deuplication :(
• 1878[10:43:02] <babilen> Haven't used zfsonlinux, but know ZFS from other operating systems
• 1879[10:43:18] <gebruiker> babilen, what do you look for - desktop term wise in a fs?
• 1880[10:43:32] <babilen> As I said: Primarily reliability
• 1881[10:43:50] <babilen> A filesystem is not good if it is super fast, but is not able to retain your data
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• 1883[10:44:00] <SwedeMike> I don't really see what ZFS brings you on a desktop. It's an addon to the OS, it's fairly new, and if you don't have several drives in a large raid-set, what's the upside? checksum of blocks? Others have that too
• 1884[10:44:40] <babilen> I'm quite conservative when it comes to filesystems and am still using ext4, but if *you* need some of the features of ZFS then, why not?
• 1885[10:44:44] <gebruiker> sweatsuit, workload handling is what I liked about it in comparison to ext4 it tends to use less cpu
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• 1888[10:45:02] <babilen> I'd argue that "performance" is a poor reason and if that is your *only* motivator then it probably isn't worth it
• 1889[10:45:41] <stew> abrotman: happy birthday, cakebutt
• 1890[10:46:08] <stew> babilen: aloha
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• 1892[10:49:06] <dutchfish> furthermore, ext4 tuning on larger backends can pay off in performance. Specially when it comes to block size and geometry. This can give results compatible to zfs speeds or close to it.
• 1893[10:50:04] <dutchfish> hardware raid is what i use and ext4 never failed me
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• 1900[10:52:12] <dutchfish> i think when stability and recoverability are you top needs lvm/ext4 is the one to go for now, maybe that will in change in the future in favor of zfs
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• 1951[11:19:01] <gilley> hello all
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• 1954[11:20:49] <francoisk> hi!
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• 1956[11:22:29] <gilley> i need to instal windows7 using debian. dd seems doing it wrong. i setup "boot" flag, and dd if=my_windows.iso of=/dev/sdb (this is my pendrive) bs=1M. dd goes trough process smooth, but i cant boot this anywhere. have no problem with linux installation with DD. any solutions?
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• 1961[11:25:18] <teraflops> gilley: 2 things. 1 dd does not work for windows isos 2 boot flag is useless since last century
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• 1965[11:27:41] <gilley> @teraflops it works with linux. program like etcher did not work too. on windows machine, i was using WinSetupFromUsb and it works like a charm. but now i dont have windos machine, and i dont want avoid problems, but solve them. so any solutions will be helpful
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• 1968[11:28:33] <xand> gilley: that's not a debian question really but these instructions worked for me replaced-url
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• 1970[11:31:15] <gilley> @xand - it was the first place i try to find answers (#debian), becouse i use debian :) but thanks for help anyway!
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• 2070[12:19:52] <gebruiker> any new ways of getting it?
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• 2076[12:21:56] <kuleszdl> Hi, I am trying to cross-recompile a kernel for allwinner-a10 but somehow the flavor (should be -armmp-lpae) is not set right and flashkernel therefore refuses to install it. Which option am I missing?
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• 2182[13:16:55] <littlebit> hi people, I'm trying to track the progress of dd and found some useful links in google. But the problem is that I need to run kill with '-USR1' periodically. Is there a way to get pid right after executing dd?
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• 2205[13:32:21] <littlebit> hi people, I'm trying to track the progress of dd and found some useful links in google. But the problem is that I need to run kill with '-USR1' periodically. Is there a way to get pid right after executing dd?
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• 2209[13:35:20] <francoisk> have you tried 'killall -USR1 dd'?
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• 2212[13:35:40] <Logg> could also use I think it's called "pidof"
• 2213[13:35:47] <teraflops> littlebit: what about using dd + pv inside a terminal multiplexer?
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• 2232[13:44:57] <debidi_> or pgrep
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• 2239[13:46:21] <debidi_> pgrep -n returns the newest pid
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• 2248[13:49:20] <jak2000> hi all
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• 2254[13:52:16] <cast> 
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• 2264[13:54:34] <jak2000> cast can you try: ping hoteldelcamino.mx
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• 2273[13:57:19] <unborn> for?
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• 2275[13:58:09] <unborn> jak2000: its dead
• 2276[13:58:10] <cast> jak2000: getting a SERVFAIL on the dns lookup
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• 2279[13:59:01] <Khudher> Hello, I was having some issues with powering off the laptop (or suspending), it hangs when i power off the laptop, and after investigating the problem, it turned out that "VirtualBox" was causing the issue (vboxdrv specifically), not sure where the report this issue, is this a debian issue? or is it a Virtual Box kernel module error? When i disable vboxdrv using "modprobe -r" the problem is fixed, any help?
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• 2283[14:00:12] <cast> Khudher: is it the vbox package that came with debian?
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• 2285[14:00:31] <OS-22437> /msg NickServ SET HIDEMAIL ON
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• 2287[14:01:11] <jak2000> OS-22437?
• 2288[14:01:18] <ecvk> cast, i installed with : apt-get install virtualbox, but, i run "unstable" version of debian, even so, the stable version of debian had the same issues with vbox
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• 2291[14:01:38] <ecvk> I'm just not sure where to report this
• 2292[14:02:37] <cast> !tell ecvk about reportbug
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• 2294[14:03:03] <cast> check if there's an existing bug for it, though :)
• 2295[14:03:20] <ecvk> thanks :)
• 2296[14:03:32] <ecvk> if you were me, would you report this to debian?
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• 2298[14:03:54] <ecvk> i thought the bug was with virtualboc
• 2299[14:04:16] <cast> i'd search the debian and upstream bug trackers, i suspect you're going to find it already reported somewhere
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• 2302[14:06:45] <cast> i'd report it to debian
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• 2305[14:07:44] <jak2000> cast give me a favour please
• 2306[14:07:51] <jak2000> try: ping hoteldelcamino.mx
• 2307[14:07:53] <jak2000> answer?
• 2308[14:08:46] <cast> same as before
• 2309[14:09:04] <cast> got a SERVFAIL on the dns lookup
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• 2313[14:10:57] <jak2000> cast: replaced-url
• 2314[14:11:11] <unborn> jak2000: it will fail - we both know this.. I shall leave you to this chan or perhaps you willing to pay some pro support to some folks :) we are opensourced but - we all know limits right?
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• 2316[14:11:45] <ecvk> i have found an open bug in launchpad (not debian bug reports) replaced-url
• 2317[14:11:46] <unborn> ...it calls contribution :)
• 2318[14:11:48] <jak2000> unborn thanks
• 2319[14:12:01] <unborn> you welcomed jak2000
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• 2323[14:14:39] <Merm> ciao
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• 2325[14:14:41] <Merm> !list
• 2326[14:14:41] <dpkg> merm: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a replaced-url
• 2327[14:14:43] * jak2000 send 8 beers miller high life to unborn
• 2328[14:14:53] <unborn> ecvk: so please report it to ubuntu..
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• 2334[14:17:09] * unborn thanks jak2000 but as slowly dining diabetic - I cannot drink it :) - btw your numbers did not reached me.. so check it out
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• 2348[14:22:07] <unborn> jak2000: I think it would be best for you to - just google your things out or perhaps try to ask here... lol you understand...
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• 2363[14:28:01] <slikts> why isn't mc installed by default
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• 2365[14:29:03] <petemc> slikts: not everyone wants it
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• 2367[14:29:14] <slikts> what's wrong with them
• 2368[14:29:55] <petemc> only time ive ever used it is to look inside iso files
• 2369[14:30:17] <cast> are you sure...pete...MC!!!`1
• 2370[14:30:22] <petemc> :)
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• 2372[14:30:37] <slikts> but cd/ls is inconvenient
• 2373[14:30:43] <slikts> annoying even
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• 2376[14:32:15] <themill> If we were to add mc to the base install, people would then complain. When it's 11 keystrokes away from being installed it's not a huge burden.
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• 2379[14:33:26] <cast> mc would add over 7mb to the base install on amd64, i for one have complained about the growing size of the base install
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• 2389[14:36:23] <debidi> petemc: i believe p7zip can list iso images
• 2390[14:36:58] <petemc> wasnt aware of that, thanks
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• 2396[14:39:20] <veek> guys replaced-url
• 2397[14:39:24] <veek> 39cb66fb6c9e88d430dd699e0ac2a24dc6e6bb5735122f3f45ef826edb0bbcdc debian-8.6.0-amd64-CD-1.iso
• 2398[14:40:01] <veek> could someone check
• 2399[14:41:04] <veek> the qbittorent check option gave no error
• 2400[14:41:12] <veek> so what's going on?
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• 2488[15:11:35] <migoli> i am missing the power management module in plasma desktop, in debian testing; which package should I install?
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• 2498[15:16:20] <Orbstheorem> Hello, I'm chrooting using system-nspawn into a newly debootstrapped debian testing rootfs. When I run apt-get update it's stays for a long time on "0% [Working]" even with a good internet connection.
• 2499[15:16:26] <Orbstheorem> Here is the output from the terminal: replaced-url
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• 2501[15:16:49] <Orbstheorem> I tryed asking on debian-next, but didn't get any actual response
• 2502[15:17:02] <Orbstheorem> I did an strace aswell: replaced-url
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• 2514[15:19:18] <BrainBug[BE]> Hi, Kind of a weird question, but can someone give an estimate on how much bandwidth Debian testing uses a month for updates (somewhat default setup)? Thanks!
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• 2530[15:24:37] <stoned> Good monring
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• 2566[15:39:22] <SpudDogg> is there a place I can see what changed here? bind9 (9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u6 => 9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u7)
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• 2571[15:41:14] <ar> SpudDogg: apt-get changelog bind9?
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• 2574[15:41:38] <SpudDogg> ar: thanks
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• 2576[15:43:32] <themill> or better, subscribe to debian-security-announce
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• 2604[15:58:32] <abrotman> stew: Thank you sir :)
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• 2678[16:34:11] <iamawesome> Hi, is the gnome-flashback gnome-2 ?
• 2679[16:34:13] <iamawesome> The applications menu looks different in gnome-flashback
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• 2682[16:35:57] <babilen> iamawesome: It obviously is not Gnome 2, but a "theme" that looks sort of like it
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• 2686[16:37:29] <iamawesome> I liked the Applications menu of gnome-flashback, it looks comfortable than gnome-3 Applications menu.
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• 2698[16:45:54] <hanasaki> this the channel for jessie also?
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• 2711[16:48:56] <iamawesome> hanasaki: Yes.
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• 2719[16:50:38] <hanasaki> iamawesome: thanks. how do you get gnome to save the windows and apps running to restore on next login?
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• 2725[16:55:48] <teraflops> hanasaki: same as Xfce4 does? afaik there's nothing like that, but you can use either /etc/xdg/autostart or ~/.xprofile if your DM sources it I guess
• 2726[16:56:16] <iamawesome> hanasaki: Are you looking for something like this: replaced-url
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• 2729[16:57:10] <iamawesome> hanasaki: Or this: replaced-url
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• 2734[16:57:56] <hanasaki> thanks. thought I tried that... even found the same page lol. its all good now
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• 2737[16:58:32] <iamawesome> hanasaki: So is it working?
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• 2739[16:58:41] <hanasaki> yes. thank you
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• 2741[16:59:15] <iamawesome> The dconf-editor trick
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• 2772[17:11:12] <erdave> hello, I would like some recommendations, the situation is the following replaced-url
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• 2793[17:19:14] <cmhobbs> during the install, on the software selection screen, there is an option for 'web server'. does anyone know what packages that installs or how i can figure that out?
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• 2795[17:20:19] <cmhobbs> tasksel, maybe?
• 2796[17:21:04] <cmhobbs> tasksel --task-packages web-server just says web-server. perhaps that's a meta package?
• 2797[17:22:37] <cmhobbs> aptitude show task-web-server may do the trick as well
• 2798[17:22:38] <abrotman> cmhobbs: no, it says task-web-server .. apt-cache show task-web-server
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• 2801[17:24:13] <gerforce> erdave: you need to do two things. Packet forwarding and NAT. Google it. There are HOW-TOs.
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• 2805[17:31:44] <erdave> gerforce: something as network-manager or wicd does, but with the /etc/network/interfaces file
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• 2810[17:32:39] <cmhobbs> abrotman: thanks, that did it
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• 2812[17:32:58] <erdave> gerforce: That's my interrogant.
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• 2816[17:34:37] <gerforce> erdave: what do you mean? By editing /etc/network/interfaces file only?
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• 2820[17:36:08] <erdave> gerforce: exactly.
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• 2822[17:36:36] <gerforce> erdave: you can't.
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• 2826[17:37:33] <erdave> gerforce: but, I noticed that wicd and nm does not use iptables for forwarding. Or maybe I'm missing something.
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• 2830[17:39:37] <gerforce> erdave: you can edit /etc/network/interfaces to configure your interfaces only. Packet forwarding need to be done by setting /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward to 1.
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• 2834[17:40:10] <gerforce> erdave: and NAT should be done using iptables.
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• 2839[17:42:38] <erdave> gerforce: well, if that's the only way to do it, then I'll do it that way... thanks for clearing that out!
• 2840[17:42:46] <gerforce> erdave: BTW, iptables is a cml tool for manipilating netfilter rules built into linux kernel.
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• 2844[17:44:19] <gerforce> erdave: NM and wicd care about interfaces. But filtering packets or forwarding packets are none of their concerns
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• 2859[17:50:06] <erdave> gerforce: but, when I create a network on NM or WICD, they have the "Share Internet Connection" option. Which I assume, they've done that using a built-in function, 'cause when I activate that option, there's no rule set on iptables. That's what has me wonder...
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• 2864[17:51:17] <erdave> gerforce: or maybe they do that using a hidden bridge interface?
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• 2869[17:52:42] <dreisner> Hi, I'm curious anyone knows the state of the 'shadow' project, maintained by debian. the main source of truth appears (finally) dead. there's a github fork (shadow-maint/shadow) but it appears nearly dead shortly after starting.
• 2870[17:52:54] <dreisner> debian somehow has pulled out a new release of shadow despite all of this. so... wtf?
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• 2877[17:53:47] <dreisner> i say the fork is nearly dead because there's been zero response to a bug report pointing out that the source doesn't even compile: replaced-url
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• 2890[17:59:00] <gerforce> erdave: i've used 'use as hotspot' setting for sharing my ethnet connection, NM takes control of the whole process apparently.
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• 2896[18:03:14] <brrz> hi, does someone know how to check if VAAPI is working on my headless server via ssh? vainfo only says cant connect ot X server: /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER brrz replaced-url
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• 2898[18:03:41] <teraflops> brrz: you better change your password
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• 2900[18:04:39] <brrz> haha shit, no the pastebin adress is the vainfo output
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• 2902[18:04:43] <teraflops> oh nvm
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• 2919[18:10:22] <teraflops> brrz: if it's headless server why do you want hwdec for video playback?
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• 2929[18:12:44] <brrz> teraflops: because I want to use emby, former media-server I think. It looks like plex or netflix and streams my file servers videos in a webinterface. For that it uses a lot of transcoding.
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• 2931[18:13:13] <brrz> more or less :) unfortunately it is really slow wihtout hardware acceleration
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• 2933[18:14:34] <teraflops> brrz: ah true
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• 2937[18:16:25] <servicestart> hi all, I'm trying to create and start a service on Jessie and I'm confused. I don't know much about daemons on linux really.
• 2938[18:16:41] <servicestart> I note that my debian install has a /etc/init like for upstart
• 2939[18:16:47] <servicestart> as well as a /etc/init.d for sysv
• 2940[18:17:13] <servicestart> but when I try and run 'sudo start myservice' like on ubuntu, start doesn't exist because debian uses systemd not upstart
• 2941[18:17:15] <servicestart> so far so good
• 2942[18:17:40] <servicestart> so, why is there a /etc/init directory full of scripts? do they work with systemd? in which case, why isn't the one I stuck in there working?
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• 2944[18:19:17] <troffasky> it's 'service myservice start', surely?
• 2945[18:19:25] <teraflops> brrz: ffmpeg/avconv/gstreamer?
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• 2949[18:21:01] <brrz> servicestart: replaced-url
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• 2951[18:21:29] <teraflops> brrz: I meant, is the vaapi encoder enabled?
• 2952[18:22:15] <servicestart> brrz thanks. I guess what I'm really curious about isn't so much getting my service running but "why is there a /etc/init" full of stuff
• 2953[18:22:16] <brrz> ah, emby need ffmpeg, so this would be the one
• 2954[18:22:33] <servicestart> they look like they might be systemd units, but I am not sure if systemd uses that directory?
• 2955[18:22:42] <teraflops> emby?
• 2956[18:22:53] <brrz> the media-server i am using
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• 2959[18:23:42] <brrz> oh, misread. You mean if my ffmpeg build is configured for vaapi?
• 2960[18:23:52] <teraflops> yeah
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• 2962[18:24:13] <teraflops> it has to be enabled at compilation
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• 2965[18:25:00] <teraflops> brrz: replaced-url
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• 2967[18:25:40] <teraflops> so ffmpeg -encoders | grep vaapi
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• 2973[18:26:59] <troffasky> servicestart,I assume it's for backward compatibility
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• 2983[18:29:42] <servicestart> troffasky: well that's /etc/init.d but I'm also seeing a /etc/init full of new style scripts...
• 2984[18:30:02] <troffasky> ah sorry, missed the subtle distinction!
• 2985[18:30:22] <servicestart> could be that it's a bunch of cross compatibility cruft that came out of packages
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• 2987[18:31:22] <brrz> teraflops: yes that seems alright, vaapidecoders are there
• 2988[18:31:27] <troffasky> i've got an /etc/init/ but they're all .conf files and there's only 25 of them vs 138 in /etc/init.d/
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• 2990[18:31:59] <teraflops> brrz: also the mediathingy has to be able to *talk* vaapi
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• 2993[18:32:48] <servicestart> troffasky: indeed but if you cat them then they are init scripts I think
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• 2996[18:33:12] <teraflops> e.g thveadend does not use vaapi for transcoding (iirc) even having vaapi enabled in your ffmpeg build
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• 3005[18:35:49] <brrz> emby has options for it, so I guess that should be fine. The thing is that I am not sure if I set everything up correctly. But ok I will find some ffmpeg command to test for vaapi, perhaps vainfo doesnt need to be running correctly for that.
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• 3010[18:37:03] <teraflops> brrz: hmm yes, it looks like vainfo is not what you want in your situation
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• 3016[18:40:38] <jmcnaught> servicestart: /etc/init is for upstart. some packages include upstart scripts (as well as systemd units and init scripts)
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• 3019[18:41:07] <sphalerite> how bad an idea is it to try to backport xorg to jessie? DRI isn't working since I upgraded my kernel to 4.7 (from backports also) and I suspect it might be because of a bug that was fixed in July
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• 3021[18:41:47] <servicestart> thanks jmcnaught, clears up my wondering!
• 3022[18:42:07] <jmcnaught> sphalerite: at the very least it's going to be a lot of work. how well was everything working with the stock 3.16 kernel? or with the previous kernel you were using?
• 3023[18:43:45] <sphalerite> jmcnaught: I'm on a macbook pro from 2011; it has dual graphics chips, but I've previously had to disable the discrete chip in GRUB in order to boot successfully. With 4.7.x, I can switch between the chips successfully as long as X isn't running
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• 3025[18:45:19] <jmcnaught> sphalerite: i know there's already a newer version of xserver-xorg-video-intel in jessie-backports, maybe others too
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• 3027[18:45:43] <jmcnaught> sphalerite: is it intel and radeon, or intel and nvidia?
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• 3034[18:48:03] <sphalerite> jmcnaught: intel and radeon
• 3035[18:48:23] <sphalerite> so there is... Didn't see that >.> I'll try that, thanks!
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• 3045[18:52:12] <sphalerite> hm, no, that didn't help
• 3046[18:52:15] <Lyrics> Everybody wanna steal my girl
• 3047[18:52:20] <Lyrics> everybody in the whole wode world
• 3048[18:52:26] <Lyrics> rverybody wanna steal my girl
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• 3050[18:52:34] <Lyrics> everybody wanna take her heart away
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• 3053[18:53:03] <th0r> my ignore list just keeps growing
• 3054[18:53:07] <Lyrics> oh shit next song
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• 3058[18:53:45] <Lyrics> Loving him is like driving a new Maserati down a dead-end street
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• 3060[18:53:56] <Lyrics> Faster than the wind, passionate as sin, ending so suddenly
• 3061[18:54:09] <Lyrics> Loving him is like trying to change your mind once you're already flying through the free fall
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• 3063[18:54:25] <Lyrics> Like the colors in autumn, so bright just before they lose it all
• 3064[18:54:35] <Lyrics> Losing him was blue like I'd never known
• 3065[18:54:36] <Lyrics> Missing him was dark grey all alone
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• 3068[18:55:00] <Lyrics> Forgetting him was like trying to know somebody you never met
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• 3070[18:55:16] <Lyrics> But loving him was red
• 3071[18:55:16] <Lyrics> Loving him was red
• 3072[18:55:29] <Lyrics> Touching him was like realizing all you ever wanted was right there in front of you
• 3073[18:55:40] <jmcnaught> Lyrics: maybe you could do that somewhere else?
• 3074[18:55:49] <Lyrics> Memorizing him was as easy as knowing all the words to your old favorite song
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• 3081[18:57:25] <Lyrics> jmcnaught: lol
• 3082[18:57:30] <Lyrics> this is "somewhere else"
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• 3118[19:13:00] <sphalerite> jmcnaught: the bug I suspect replaced-url
• 3119[19:13:17] <xyborg101> anyone familiar with debiandog/mintpup/xenialpup?
• 3120[19:15:01] <petn-randall> erdave: There are two options to connect in this case, either via bridging (making both wifi interfaces act as if connected via a switch), or NAT. I'm assuming you missed the '-t NAT' option on iptables, which is why you didn't see the rules created by network-manager.
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• 3132[19:23:52] <elzr> hola, alguiiiien sabe por qué no tengo dkpg?
• 3133[19:24:07] <elzr> estoy usando bunsenlabs
• 3134[19:25:16] <teraflops> elzr: este canal da soporte en inglés
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• 3137[19:26:26] <elzr> thanks
• 3138[19:26:45] <winsen> Hi all
• 3139[19:27:32] <winsen> I can not see my phone. does anyone know how can I install sonny ericsson driver? on debian jessie
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• 3141[19:27:43] <elzr> Hello all, sombody know why have I not dkpg?
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• 3143[19:28:15] <elzr> I use bunsenlabs hidrogen
• 3144[19:28:16] <somiaj> winsen: you want to be able to access your phone over usb?
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• 3146[19:28:37] <somiaj> elzr: if you do not have 'dpkg' on your system, you have broken it somehow.
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• 3148[19:29:16] <elzr> mmm how repair that
• 3149[19:29:18] <somiaj> !bunsenlabs
• 3150[19:29:18] <dpkg> BunsenLabs Linux is a community continuation of <crunchbang> that features the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
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• 3153[19:29:34] <somiaj> elzr: well since you aren't running debian, we may not know. Go ask tehir support.
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• 3156[19:31:09] <elzr> well thanks somiaj, and I go to aks at support
• 3157[19:31:31] <elzr> bye everyone
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• 3165[19:34:49] <erdave> petn-randall: indeed, that's my mistake, I've never putted the '-t nat' option. Thanks dude! I thought it was something magical from network-manager xD
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• 3176[19:37:08] <iamawesome> Hi, is there any command to find crti.o crt1.o ?
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• 3178[19:38:18] <missmbob> install libc6-dev
• 3179[19:38:22] <winsen> hi all
• 3180[19:38:59] <iamawesome> missmbob: It's installed
• 3181[19:38:59] <th0r> iamawesome, in findutils is the locate command...that might be what you want
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• 3184[19:39:21] <th0r> iamawesome, there is also a find command, but it is a bit esoteric
• 3185[19:39:30] <missmbob> iamawesome: it's there. libc6-dev: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/crti.o
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• 3187[19:39:41] <winsen> I can't access to my phone. does anyone know how to install sonny ericsson w995 driver?
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• 3189[19:39:59] <winsen> somiaj: are you there?
• 3190[19:40:33] <somiaj> winsen: most phones these days use mtp to access them. You have to check your phone what sort of modes it has when you plug in the usb
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• 3192[19:41:17] <somiaj> winsen: if you see mtp, you will have to install some software to do this. On my phone (LG 3-G) I can either access it via mtp which I use software like jmtpfs to mount it (though there may be gui apps too)
• 3193[19:41:58] <somiaj> winsen: some old phones allowed you to access it via usb mass storage device. And some have a developer mode that you can use too. So you first need to figure out what protocol your phone uses when you plug it in, and this is done on the phone
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• 3198[19:46:16] <winsen> somiaj: thanks. how can I know whta kind of mode my phone use. i made a research but I didn't find
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• 3201[19:46:59] <winsen> somiaj: is mtp old mode?
• 3202[19:47:15] <winsen> somiaj: i mean is standard mode?
• 3203[19:47:36] <somiaj> winsen: mtp is the standard mode that most andriods uses these days. Usually when you plug your phone in, on your phone it should give you some options for what to do with the usb. Look at those options.
• 3204[19:48:03] <somiaj> winsen: also look at dmesg when you plug the phone in, that can give you cluse on what it is reporting itself as and is being detected as
• 3205[19:48:04] <winsen> if so how can I get the softwares/driver to fix it?
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• 3208[19:48:25] <vlt> Hello. How can I setup a filter for a specific user on my Debian 8 machine that allows internet traffic to and from white-listed domains only?
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• 3210[19:49:42] <somiaj> vlt: in short you need to use network filtering/firewall or iptables to do this. replaced-url
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• 3212[19:50:48] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 3218[19:52:54] <vlt> somiaj: But can I setup a proxy for one user only?
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• 3221[19:53:31] <somiaj> vlt: unsure on if it can be user specific or not.
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• 3225[19:54:52] <somiaj> hmm, the solutions I found in google seem to use enviroment variables, but then the use could change this to get around the proxy.
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• 3227[19:55:22] <user45> Has anyones bluetooth stopped working recently?
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• 3232[19:56:45] <user45> when I run "sudo service bluetooth status" it says "Suspend: Connection timed out (110)
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• 3243[19:59:41] <vlt> somiaj: Ok, thank you. Maybe I should clone the machine (it’s a VM anyway), let that user only login there and route all traffic through the filter proxy.
• 3244[19:59:42] <winsen> somiaj: replaced-url
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• 3246[20:00:36] <winsen> somiaj: I didnd't find it
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• 3249[20:01:18] <petn-randall> erdave: You're welcome! Glad I could help.
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• 3253[20:01:55] <somiaj> winsen: I see the phone being deteced as a device but it isn't associting usbmass storage to it or anything like that. Again look at the phone. What sort of protocols does the phone give you when you plug it in.
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• 3283[20:11:29] <JyZyXEL> whats the difference between /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages?
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• 3295[20:16:11] <winsen> somiaj: replaced-url
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• 3302[20:17:17] <somiaj> winsen: when you plug your phone into the usb on your computer. You phone should have some options to control the usb mode. Look at the actual screen of the phone, go to the usb options. See which ones it has aviable. Most likely you'll have to set it into MTP mode and use some software like I mentioned
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• 3306[20:17:38] <winsen> somiaj: my phone doesn't give me any information when my phone is pluged
• 3307[20:17:40] <Guest41182> Hi. May I ask some debian-XFCE oriented questions here? Or is there a better chan?
• 3308[20:17:47] <mustafejen> I get disability benefits and have lots of spare time. I just failed to upgrade jessie due to a filled root partition. I am doing a backup right now. Should I switch to Debian testing? I am not running anything crucial, and I have a laptop for googling purposes if things should not work with this one.
• 3309[20:18:00] <winsen> somiaj: my phone doesn't give me any information when I pug it
• 3310[20:18:01] <somiaj> winsen: this phone dosen't look like an andriod so maybe it does things fairly differently.
• 3311[20:18:28] <nkuttler> mustafejen: if you don't need your computer to work you can do anything you like
• 3312[20:19:07] <winsen> somiaj: didn't you know that was not an android?
• 3313[20:19:20] <mustafejen> nkuttler: I guess I'll give testing a try then :-)
• 3314[20:19:44] <winsen> somiaj: anyway thanks
• 3315[20:20:03] <somiaj> winsen: I was assuming it would work similar. That page you linked doesn't seem to list usbmass storage of mtp.
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• 3319[20:20:42] <somiaj> winsen: Under Connectivity section on that page it talks about stuff like 'ftp' as a connenction method. Maybe you can just turn on a ftp server and connect to it over the network.
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• 3321[20:20:52] <winsen> maybe someone else could give us the answer. thanks
• 3322[20:21:08] <somiaj> winsen: or maybe it has an ftp client and you need to run an ftp server. But I'm not seeing any of the usb transfer modes I reconginze, like usbmass storage or mtp.
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• 3332[20:23:30] <Guest41182> Hi. May I ask some debian-XFCE oriented questions here? Or is there a better chan?
• 3333[20:23:30] <winsen> somiaj: "ftp connection..." I don't think so.
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• 3336[20:24:18] <somiaj> Guest41182: you can ask them here, though on irc.oftc.net there is #debian-xfce channel.
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• 3338[20:24:46] <winsen> somiaj: even though, the oldest phone than mine can use usb port.
• 3339[20:25:08] <zoeurk> on sid in the upgrade I need to desinstall apache2-doc before upgrading apache2 else dpkg generate an error
• 3340[20:25:18] <zoeurk> thanks
• 3341[20:25:24] <zoeurk> bye
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• 3344[20:26:04] <Guest41182> Ok. I'll ask here. I just downloaded debian-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso and installed in a VM no problems. I am coming from XUbuntu land FYI. I already notice the kernel is 3.16.0.4 in the VM. Is there something I am suppose to change to bring up the net install debian to the latest? sid or testing? I am not familiar with the terms sorry.
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• 3347[20:26:20] <Guest41182> My goal is to get comfy in a VM before I move to a rig.
• 3348[20:26:38] <missmbob> !tell Guest41182 about jessie-backports
• 3349[20:26:49] <missmbob> Guest41182: read what the bot just told you. that has 4.7 kernel.
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• 3351[20:27:23] <Guest41182> I have...thanks. Should I download a debian 9 net inst iso?
• 3352[20:27:26] <somiaj> winsen: replaced-url
• 3353[20:27:31] <missmbob> Guest41182: no
• 3354[20:27:34] <jmcnaught> Guest41182: you should only us the newer kernel if you need hardware support or newer features. If the stock kernel works, use that
• 3355[20:27:52] <Guest41182> jmcnaught, ok. Is it safe to assume an elder kernel can still utilize modern apps?
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• 3357[20:27:58] <jmcnaught> Guest41182: you should also learn how to use Debian on the stable release before you go using the development branches
• 3358[20:27:58] <Guest41182> odd question I know
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• 3363[20:28:05] <missmbob> Guest41182: yes
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• 3368[20:28:22] <Guest41182> jmcnaught, if it matters. I have everything backed up and a spare laptop to jump in with..but I hear ya. :)
• 3369[20:28:29] <jmcnaught> Guest41182: the kernel that Debian comes with can run all of the thousands of applications that Debian comes with
• 3370[20:28:39] <Guest41182> ok
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• 3373[20:29:49] <jmcnaught> Guest41182: it's more like, you should know how to fix problems that could arise on testing/unstable, know how to recognize the difference between PEBKAC and bugs. Also if the goal is a reliable computer, stable is what you want
• 3374[20:29:53] <Guest41182> FYI, the bot reply doesn't mention where sources.list exists.. Sure I can find it, but a newbie might not. :)
• 3375[20:30:54] <Guest41182> jmcnaught, understood. I am ok with a mix of both.. am OK with getting my hands dirty to fix things(of my own doing). One reason i want to leave ubuntu(somewhat) is i am content with it but it is spoiling me from learning more about debian.
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• 3384[20:33:55] <jmcnaught> Guest41182: if you don't know where sources.list is, spend a few days using Debian stable, read the debian-handbook and/or debian-reference, then consider downgrading to the development branches
• 3385[20:33:56] <winsen> somiaj: ok
• 3386[20:34:26] <winsen> anyway thanks somiaj
• 3387[20:34:28] <Guest41182> jmcnaught, no i know where it is, i am suggesting a newbie might not is all.
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• 3394[20:36:50] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell Guest41182 about debian-next
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• 3399[20:37:08] <jmcnaught> Guest41182: definitely read the links in the topic of the channel the bot just told you about
• 3400[20:37:30] <Guest41182> jmcnaught, thanks for the triggers.. is there a list of triggers somewhere? Thanks.
• 3401[20:37:40] <jmcnaught> for the bot?
• 3402[20:37:43] <Guest41182> yes
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• 3404[20:37:59] * Guest41182 finds the bot name amusing.
• 3405[20:38:24] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
• 3406[20:38:47] <Guest41182> im gonna snag the i386 iso and use on my spare laptop.. it will force me to understand how to install video drivers too.
• 3407[20:38:54] <Guest41182> ok jmcnaught cheers.
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• 3410[20:39:52] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell Guest41182 about testing installer
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• 3412[20:40:59] * Guest41182 understood. :)
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• 3463[21:06:26] <brrz> I am still trying to get ffmpeg to work with VAAPI, vainfo now seems to return supported profiles but ffmpeg is throwing errors.
• 3464[21:06:41] <brrz> [AVHWDeviceContext @ 0x487b720] No VA display found for device: /dev/dri/card0. [vaapi @ 0x308c1e0] Failed to create a VAAPI device
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• 3467[21:07:46] <brrz> is there something I forgot to do, like some modules or I dont know^^ i cannot find much if I try to google it..
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• 3472[21:08:58] <teraflops> ,v ffmpeg
• 3473[21:09:00] <judd> Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.17-2+deb7u2; jessie-backports: 7:3.1.3-1~bpo8+1; sid: 7:3.1.3-1+b3; stretch: 7:3.1.3-1+b3; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:3.1.4-dmo1
• 3474[21:09:30] <teraflops> brrz: jessie backport?
• 3475[21:09:41] <brrz> I am using a static build with vaapi support
• 3476[21:10:12] <brrz> replaced-url
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• 3481[21:11:46] <teraflops> brrz: debian related? youre using custom build of ffmpeg plus a sw that is not on the repositories
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• 3483[21:12:13] <Nuri> hi
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• 3485[21:12:19] <brrz> hm, I started aksing myself this question. Where would be a better place for that?
• 3486[21:12:27] <teraflops> ffmpeg
• 3487[21:12:35] <teraflops> #
• 3488[21:12:39] <brrz> ok :)
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• 3490[21:12:48] <brrz> thanks anyway!
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• 3494[21:13:25] <teraflops> np wait i throw #ffmpeg to you but idk if it exists
• 3495[21:13:28] <Nuri> I am using debian 8.5
• 3496[21:13:31] <Nuri> Can not read my flash drive :/
• 3497[21:13:38] <Nuri> help me
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• 3508[21:15:58] <Nuri> pls?
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• 3515[21:19:31] <brrz> teraflops: It exists alright ;)
• 3516[21:19:44] <teraflops> ah heh
• 3517[21:19:46] <teraflops> sorry
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• 3520[21:21:08] <awal1> Is deleting the .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart the correct way for prevent X app from autostarting when login in X?
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• 3522[21:21:38] <teraflops> awal1: usually yes
• 3523[21:21:46] <tom99> what's X app?
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• 3527[21:22:18] <tom99> oh I see, I have nautilus-autostart.desktop in that folder
• 3528[21:22:33] <awal1> teraflops, ok, I will move the file somewhere ;)
• 3529[21:22:52] <cisc> I have a Debian Jesse server that is getting DDoS attacks and Fail2Ban isn't working very well, can someone recommend some other mitigation factor pls?
• 3530[21:22:59] <awal1> x = a given app, undefined one
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• 3532[21:23:19] <tom99> awal1: right... the problem is you used x with two different meanings in the same sentence
• 3533[21:23:31] <tom99> for that you shall be banished to outer darkness
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• 3535[21:24:11] <awal1> people have understood what first x and second x mean
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• 3550[21:28:36] <brrz> I am back with some more debian related question :) as I am not so sure about what exactly I am doing: Could I be messing up my system by installing too many drivers? I installed the i965-va-driver but also mesa-va and vdpau-va..
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• 3562[21:33:55] <rsync1> a question.. im just in the beginning to manage the users and group on my system and i want to assign types of users in groups. is it ok if i take the groups in the /etc/group for this, for example "users"?
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• 3564[21:34:06] <rsync1> or is it better to create own?
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• 3567[21:34:45] <rsync1> are the groups in /etc/group only for system managment or can i use them?
• 3568[21:35:38] <SwedeMike> rsync1: if you want to restrict to smaller groups of users, better create new ones.
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• 3570[21:35:49] <SwedeMike> let "users" be all users.
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• 3572[21:36:31] <rsync1> ok.. and can i use the adm group for the admins for sudo things?
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• 3574[21:37:26] <tom99> awal1: remind me never to work with you on a code project then
• 3575[21:37:44] <somiaj> rsync1: the deafult group for sudo privlages is 'sudo'
• 3576[21:37:56] <somiaj> rsync1: this gives all privlages by default. adm is for reading logs
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• 3578[21:38:22] <rsync1> ah ok.. thx.. better i study this, i see i have a lot i dont know
• 3579[21:38:23] <rsync1> thx!
• 3580[21:38:23] <somiaj> rsync1: you can use the default groups for some things, but pay attention to what they are already configured to do, or create your own.
• 3581[21:38:39] <rsync1> i think i create my own yes
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• 3584[21:39:12] <random_numbers> Hey there, does any of you have an idea as to how I could get a copy of all debian-users mails since 01.01.2015?
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• 3587[21:39:44] <random_numbers> Before you ask, no, I was not subscribed then, so I can't just use archivemail.
• 3588[21:40:14] <somiaj> random_numbers: there is a public archive. Unsure how easy it is to get them all though.
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• 3590[21:40:38] <somiaj> random_numbers: replaced-url
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• 3592[21:40:42] <random_numbers> Best thing would really be if they offered a .mbox to download...
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• 3595[21:41:02] <somiaj> I'm unsure on how they have the archive setup besides the web serach
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• 3610[21:49:05] <Nuri> uff :/
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• 3647[22:08:19] <maxxterexe> Was downloading tools from the Kali Repos. Forget to put # by my Source.list. I did a dist-upgrade on my Debian Jessie Stable OS. And screenfetch say now im on a Kali Rolling release.....Hot te reverse it?
• 3648[22:08:38] <mtn> maxxterexe: reinstall debian
• 3649[22:09:09] <mtn> maxxterexe: replaced-url
• 3650[22:09:15] <polyzen> lol
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• 3652[22:09:44] <maxxterexe> My system us working fine but it looks stupid.
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• 3654[22:10:17] <mtn> maxxterexe: well, you are running kali now, not debian. so, if that is what you want.....
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• 3659[22:11:48] <maxxterexe> Yeah oke, no way to reverse it tho?
• 3660[22:11:51] <missmbob> no
• 3661[22:12:25] <maxxterexe> Thanks tho
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• 3666[22:14:03] <Igel> for an OS that reverses etc.. look at #guix
• 3667[22:14:23] <Igel> but.. you have to be a semi mad-scientist to tackle the learning curve ;]
• 3668[22:14:46] <McCrow> hi. do any of you know a way to find really old debian releases ( I'm looking for at least 5.0 old)
• 3669[22:15:16] <teraflops> Igel: for an OS that reverses go take snapshots ^
• 3670[22:15:46] <maxxterexe> Snapshots option wil me nice for me
• 3671[22:16:01] <Igel> snapshots is not even on the level guix is on tho
• 3672[22:16:06] <teraflops> wow
• 3673[22:16:18] <Igel> unless you can choose from your bootloader, which snapshot you want to boot
• 3674[22:16:21] <teraflops> my wow was sincere
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• 3676[22:16:44] <teraflops> Igel: you can boot btrfs snapshots from grub
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• 3678[22:17:07] <crash_> xorg-modesetting driver on Jessie is not a good idea i believe? you need xorg 1.18.x to get the most out if it right??
• 3679[22:17:25] <teraflops> hmm
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• 3681[22:17:49] <tom99> McCrow: I just investigated getting debian buzz 1.1 the other day
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• 3686[22:18:12] <tom99> There don't seem to be .iso files before debia 3.0 woody so all I got are floppy disk images. but virtualbox lets you have virtual floppy disks!
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• 3693[22:20:09] <tom99> If you want jigdo files which can be used to make debian cd images from old versions use this link: replaced-url
• 3694[22:20:20] <tom99> er without that v on the end. lol
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• 3707[22:24:16] <tom99> If you want the actual floppy disk images for debian 1.1 through 2.0 you can download them here: replaced-url
• 3708[22:24:17] <m0ltar> Hi! Does anyone know how to set the hard "file open limit" systemwide?
• 3709[22:24:41] <tom99> however I don't think you can download 3.0 woody and up from archive.debian.org because when I went into the directories all I saw were things like Packages.tar.gz
• 3710[22:24:59] <tom99> so you'll have to use jigdo for that or a debian mirror maybe
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• 3731[22:31:16] <tom99> actually i can't find a debian mirror with 3.0 woody on it
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• 3733[22:31:30] <tom99> on the debian mirror list. but i have the url of something like that in my history lol
• 3734[22:32:20] <babilen> replaced-url
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• 3737[22:32:36] <babilen> Not sure where you looked
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• 3742[22:35:18] <McCrow> super nice thank you guyz !!! it will be very helpfull ( trying to get an old pentium 1 machine to boot on a linux ^^)
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• 3753[22:37:35] <tom99> babilen, I looked in cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/
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• 3760[22:40:04] <tom99> babilen how did you find that directory lolol
• 3761[22:40:09] <tom99> I don't see a link to it anywhere
• 3762[22:40:19] <babilen> Secret babilen sources
• 3763[22:41:08] <McCrow> do you know if ftp server software is avaible on those old releases ?
• 3764[22:41:24] <babilen> I'd be surprised if not
• 3765[22:41:35] <babilen> dpkg: tell tom99 -about install woody
• 3766[22:42:15] <babilen> tom99: replaced-url
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• 3771[22:43:16] <tom99> well alright babilen
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• 3773[22:43:36] <tom99> I guess whenever I can't find a url about debian i'll ask dpkg about it by guessing different phrases like "do blah" or "install thing"
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• 3776[22:43:43] <tom99> but i dont' think that's what you meant
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• 3782[22:45:51] <babilen> tom99: You have "install $RELEASE" for all of them, but in terms of images I typically just browse cdimage.debian.org directly rather than trying to find a link
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• 3792[22:48:39] <tom99> babilen: so i'm not alone in not being able to find a link either, gotcha
• 3793[22:48:43] <tom99> that's what i wanted to establish
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• 3796[22:49:55] <tripkin> Hello, has anybody here connected a Logitech G910 keyboard to their system and gotten the G-keys and mode buttons to work? I have tried installing g15daemon through apt, but it always fails the final step of the install where it tries to launch g15daemon.service.
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• 3801[22:51:02] <hexnewbie> I'm looking for a way to set my keyboard rate in LXDE. lxinput doesn't work after logout/login. I've added this to my .xsessionrc, "xset r rate 175 40; echo 'xset r rate 175 40' | at now + 1 min", but it's still 170 25 after I log out and log in.
• 3802[22:51:13] <hexnewbie> I suspect that at is removing my DISPLAY variable. Is there a good workaround for that?
• 3803[22:51:21] <awal1> all are localizable debian iso images are here replaced-url
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• 3805[22:51:58] <hexnewbie> Or should I just hardcode DISPLAY=:0 in the script and be done with it?
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• 3822[23:02:50] <awal1> hexnewbie, I wonder if via .Xdefauls + xrdb can help...
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• 3825[23:04:44] <hexnewbie> I don't think almost anything I use uses those values.
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• 3827[23:06:22] <hexnewbie> OK, I just hardcoded display, we'll see if I have my rate working tomorrow.
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• 3837[23:12:39] <liske1> Hi
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• 3843[23:14:01] <liske1> I'm learning about cluster, and I have question: which software is best for creating clusters (2 machines VirtualBox) for beginners ?
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• 3851[23:17:27] <petn-randall> liske1: Clusters of what?
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• 3854[23:18:25] <ubiqt> guys has anyone else encountered this issue where windows 10 wouldnt allow them to boot into linux?
• 3855[23:18:28] <ubiqt> haha
• 3856[23:18:34] <teraflops> liske1: hpc? high availability? failover?
• 3857[23:18:35] <ubiqt> classic microsoft
• 3858[23:19:12] <liske1> teraflops: for high availability
• 3859[23:19:13] <littlebit> hi people I'm trying to install a dvb-s card. The drivers are available under: replaced-url
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• 3864[23:20:10] <m0ltar> Hi! Does anyone know how to set the hard "file open limit" systemwide?
• 3865[23:20:12] <teraflops> liske1: nginx + keepalived sound fine
• 3866[23:20:12] <littlebit> can someone help?
• 3867[23:20:25] <m0ltar> I have mongo that is using almost a million open files ... stupid mongo
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• 3870[23:20:38] <m0ltar> and it is crashing because the limit is too low, but whatever i try to raise it has no effect
• 3871[23:21:13] <teraflops> littlebit: just copy the fw to the right location? look at dmesg while module/s are loaded
• 3872[23:21:45] <teraflops> sounds* ^
• 3873[23:22:05] <liske1> teraflops: thx :)
• 3874[23:22:17] <teraflops> liske1: have fun ;)
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• 3881[23:24:02] <littlebit> teraflops: the only thing that I find in dmesg is this:
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• 3889[23:27:33] <teraflops> littlebit: use paste.debian.net ^
• 3890[23:27:39] <littlebit> teraflops: ok
• 3891[23:27:48] <teraflops> heh
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• 3895[23:29:23] <teraflops> I was typing fast sorry I thought you were about to paste to the channel buffer
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• 3897[23:30:20] <littlebit> teraflops: figures
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• 3899[23:30:34] <littlebit> teraflops: *it makes sense
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• 3909[23:35:23] <snfgf> Hello
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• 3911[23:36:18] <snfgf> Question: how can i automatically configure wifi connection? At the moment, i use wpa_cli every time i reboot my computer.
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• 3913[23:38:39] <dvs> !nm
• 3914[23:38:39] <dpkg> New Member (formerly New Maintainer) is the process through which new Debian developers are accepted into the project; see replaced-url
• 3915[23:38:44] <littlebit> when trying to do make: I get this replaced-url
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• 3921[23:39:35] <missmbob> snfgf: replaced-url
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• 3926[23:40:34] <teraflops> snfgf: for a laptop NM (nmtui) sounds like a good idea
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• 3929[23:42:30] <teraflops> littlebit: hmm that error is not related to your first question
• 3930[23:43:23] <littlebit> teraflops: I know, that was what I tried out.
• 3931[23:43:28] <littlebit> before asking
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• 3933[23:43:49] <littlebit> and I'm building for the first time
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• 3936[23:45:28] <teraflops> littlebit: but whats your problem? there is a driver in the kernel but just missing the firmware or there is no driver at all?
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• 3944[23:48:58] <littlebit> teraflops: first I had this message telling me that it didn't find the proper firmware. while asking here on irc, I was trying out various firmwares and rebooting. The only change that I have now is that I don't have these messages that i have pasted before. Now, I was thinking that I needed to rebuild in order to see if that brings me to the solution.
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• 3946[23:50:02] <teraflops> sorry but I didnt see the missing firmware pastebin
• 3947[23:50:20] <littlebit> teraflops: one sec
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• 3952[23:54:20] <littlebit> teraflops: the only thing that I find in dmesg is this:replaced-url
• 3953[23:55:37] <littlebit> afk
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• 3956[23:57:53] <teraflops> littlebit: just pass the correct index as option when loading the driver
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• 3959[23:58:28] <teraflops> littlebit: modinfo ^
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• 3964[23:59:35] <teraflops> when you are sure it loads the right one make a file in /etc/modprobe.d/
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