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41[00:23:40] <prussian> local as in... your home directory?
42[00:23:48] <prussian> if yes... well duh
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54[00:27:07] <prussian> Lady_Aleena: ?
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57[00:28:39] <Lady_Aleena> prussian, I set up ~/perl5 to install perl modules into so I didn't install modules into root's lib. I need those modules for my perl scripts for my site. Apache is not looking in ~/perl5.
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60[00:29:48] <prussian> well ya
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62[00:30:06] <prussian> you shouldn't use ~ in your environment cars anyhow
63[00:30:09] <prussian> vars
64[00:30:17] <prussian> stupid autocorrect
65[00:30:22] <Lady_Aleena> So how do I get Apache to see $HOME/perl5?
66[00:30:28] <prussian> ~ is bashism
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68[00:30:57] <prussian> so the apache home has a local perllib directory?
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70[00:31:03] <Lady_Aleena> prussian, somewhere else, another guy told me not to use $HOME.
71[00:31:21] <Lady_Aleena> prussian, Apache uses the root's libs.
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73[00:31:31] <prussian> ya
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75[00:31:40] <prussian> or apaches home folder I suppose
76[00:31:46] <prussian> well ok
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78[00:32:08] <Lady_Aleena> So give up using the local lib and just sudo cpan the needed modules into root's lib?
79[00:32:17] <prussian> from what I can. guess 1. your local perl env are not set for apache
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81[00:32:30] <prussian> or 2 your local perl libs are only for your current user
82[00:32:52] <prussian> install libs as apache and problem solved for 2
83[00:32:57] <prussian> or ya
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85[00:33:15] <prussian> you can just install them into the usual /usr/lib whatever path
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90[00:34:15] <Lady_Aleena> Well, I am going to work on getting KMail working now. I will come back to this later. I really need email working.
91[00:34:15] <Elronnd> is there a way to enable ipv6?
92[00:34:22] <Elronnd> when I try to, for example, ping6 2a00:1450:4001:818::200e
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95[00:34:38] <Elronnd> I get ping: sendmsg: Network is unreachable
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99[00:36:54] <prussian> do you have ipv6?
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102[00:37:11] <prussian> like
103[00:37:21] <prussian> are you sure you get ipv6?
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105[00:37:53] <Elronnd> from my isp?
106[00:37:54] <Elronnd> not sure
107[00:37:58] <prussian> honestly that stuff is mostly a libc thing. once ifup/metworkmanager configs your ip addrs....
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109[00:38:11] <Elronnd> but is there some configuration I can do to make sure it is/is not my computers fault?
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111[00:38:29] <prussian> idk. do you use network manager?
112[00:38:37] <prussian> or just ifup?
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115[00:39:11] <prussian> like honestly... its usually automatic
116[00:39:16] <Elronnd> is that something in gsettings?
117[00:39:23] <prussian> it might be
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119[00:39:41] <prussian> I don't know how much gnome exposes. you can check there for IP config settings
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121[00:40:07] <Elronnd> "network settings" claims that I have an ipv6 address
122[00:40:11] <prussian> if you think your ISP now offers IPv6 you can try resetting your router and getting a new lease.
123[00:40:21] <prussian> hmm
124[00:40:34] <prussian> what does ifconfig -a show?
125[00:40:36] <Elronnd> I don't have access to the router
126[00:40:53] <prussian> I mean modem bit same problem ig
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128[00:41:08] <Elronnd> replaced-url
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132[00:42:20] <prussian> hm
133[00:42:41] <prussian> pretty sure fe80:: is basically ipv6 loopback
134[00:42:55] <prussian> as far as I can see you do not have an IPv6 addr
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137[00:43:49] <prussian> idk
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139[00:43:50] <Dagger> more like 169.254/16, but yeah, no useful v6 address there
140[00:43:53] <prussian> I forget
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142[00:44:11] <prussian> sounds like a routing issue then
143[00:44:15] <prussian> talk to owner of router/isp
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161[00:52:34] <_0xbadc0de> coolsite.com
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163[00:52:48] <_0xbadc0de> replaced-url
164[00:52:50] <_0xbadc0de> replaced-url
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166[00:53:35] <teraflops> !kick _0xbadc0de
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174[00:55:35] <abrotman> teraflops: ITYM !ops
175[00:56:04] <teraflops> yeah sorry too noisy !ops imo
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242[01:30:33] <N3X15> does `aptitude why` give me the reason for packages being held back, or is there another command?
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256[01:40:52] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: Take a look at replaced-url
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267[01:46:07] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, right now I am on the verge of tears again since I can't get my settings for KMail working.
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269[01:46:32] <Lady_Aleena> Also, the version of KMail which comes with Debian 8 has a BIG BUG!
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272[01:47:08] <pingfloyd> Lady_Aleena: I take it you weren't able to switch over to icedove/thunderbird like you wanted.
273[01:47:14] <Lady_Aleena> Everything I do seems to be making it worse.
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276[01:47:28] <Lady_Aleena> pingfloyd, I don't understand the voodoo.
277[01:48:07] <pingfloyd> wasn't the problem with trying to migrate your existing mail over?
278[01:48:21] <Lady_Aleena> pingfloyd, and that is the voodoo I did not understand.
279[01:48:41] <pingfloyd> mail is always a bit frustrating
280[01:48:54] <pingfloyd> so many moving parts involved
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284[01:49:51] <pingfloyd> Lady_Aleena: have you tried this method? replaced-url
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286[01:50:23] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: sorry to hear you're having trouble :/ Are your old emails on a server, or only on a local disk?
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291[01:50:53] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, local disk.
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294[01:51:18] <pingfloyd> Lady_Aleena: iirc, you were using pop3 to get your email?
295[01:51:24] <Lady_Aleena> General question: Why do Lunix program developers scatter program files all over the place?
296[01:51:27] <Lady_Aleena> pingfloyd, yes.
297[01:51:29] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: do you know what format it is in? The two common ones are mbox and maildir
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299[01:51:48] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, if I were to paste a file list, would that tell you anything?
300[01:52:21] <ranix> what do you mean "program files"
301[01:52:26] <pingfloyd> Lady_Aleena: this article the author is trying to convert and he uses pop3 replaced-url
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303[01:53:16] <Lady_Aleena> And I just found YouTube broken.
304[01:55:27] <abrotman> YouTube is broken? or your browser is broken?
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306[01:55:59] <ranix> <3 abrotman
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308[01:57:37] <Lady_Aleena> abrotman, maybe not. I don't know. My system is driving me crazy.
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315[01:58:29] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: there's a thunderbird/icedove extension for importing various mailbox formats: replaced-url
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317[01:58:48] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: if IMAP is an option, i recommend using that instead of pop3 from now on
318[01:59:07] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I have no clue.
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324[02:00:35] <pingfloyd> I agree, got with imap if at all possible
325[02:00:39] <pingfloyd> go*
326[02:00:45] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: most mail providers offer IMAP, which keeps messages on the server and syncs them locally. Really helpful if you have multiple devices accessing the inbox, or for situations like this where you want to migrate
327[02:01:16] <pingfloyd> Lady_Aleena: with imap you can leave the mail up on the server
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329[02:02:37] <pingfloyd> Lady_Aleena: then you just more or less synchronize with it through your mail clients on all of your computers/devices.
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331[02:02:59] <Lady_Aleena> Is Thunderbird on Debian called Thunderbird or is it still IceDove?
332[02:03:17] <ranix> Lady_Aleena: apt-cache search
333[02:03:45] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: icedove
334[02:03:48] <pingfloyd> Lady_Aleena: mine is using icedove
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336[02:03:57] <pingfloyd> Lady_Aleena: I'm on jessie
337[02:04:23] <Lady_Aleena> pingfloyd, poor Jessie.
338[02:04:39] <pingfloyd> I wonder if debian is going to go back to thunderbird branding like they did with firefox
339[02:04:43] * Lady_Aleena is thinking of the doll from Toy Story.
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341[02:05:15] <pingfloyd> Lady_Aleena: are you on jessie?
342[02:05:25] <Lady_Aleena> pingfloyd, yes.
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344[02:05:56] <somiaj> ,v icedove
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346[02:05:57] <judd> Package: icedove on amd64 -- wheezy: 38.7.0-1~deb7u1; jessie: 1:45.2.0-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:45.2.0-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 1:45.2.0-2~deb7u1; stretch: 1:45.2.0-4+b1; sid: 1:45.3.0-1
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349[02:06:18] <somiaj> pingfloyd: does mozilla even develope thunderbird anymore? I thought it was mostly just minimially matained by volunteers.
350[02:06:25] <Lady_Aleena> installing
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352[02:06:29] <pingfloyd> somiaj: that sounds right
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354[02:06:45] <pingfloyd> somiaj: but don't let that fool you into thinking that thunderbird is anywhere close to dead
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357[02:07:04] <pingfloyd> somiaj: it's more of an organizational change
358[02:07:32] <somiaj> pingfloyd: Yea I am not thinking it is dead, it just may not have much reason to make changes with it at the time.
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362[02:08:02] <pingfloyd> I don't remember all of the details, but it essentially was like it will still be supported as good as ever in the wash.
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368[02:12:29] <pingfloyd> I think the main difference was that thunderbird was being decoupled from firefox's rapid release cycles and sticking more to the ESR cycle which actually makes much more sense with it.
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380[02:15:38] <Lady_Aleena> So to do anything in icedove regarding email, I have to set up the email accounts first?
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382[02:15:45] <Lady_Aleena> (I have five email accounts.)
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384[02:16:10] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: It probabaly requires you set up one. You can add the others after.
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394[02:23:10] <Lady_Aleena> Okay, I just set up one (as IMAP) and got into reading the mail. I'm going to try the addon suggested.
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413[02:38:15] <kruug> Not sure if this is more Linux in general or Debian, but I have a USB HDD that doesn't show up in Debian's auto-discover when plugged in, and when booted with it plugged in, it's hanging right after lvm password is entered and kvm is disabled by BIOS. Shows up in lsusb but not lsblk. What steps can I take to recover data?
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420[02:43:05] <Lady_Aleena> Okay, it looks like I'll need to convert my kmail files to mbox format first.
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426[02:44:28] <rssnow1> ls
427[02:46:26] <Lady_Aleena> I need to make dinner. I have a hunger headache I think.
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436[02:53:18] <pingfloyd> kruug: the usb hdd has LVs on it?
437[02:53:52] <kruug> I believe so? Wife's coworker backed up his Mac to it, but now can't access it after reloading his Mac.
438[02:54:25] <kruug> So, being the IT guy, I was volunteered to fix it (don't work for the same company, just good with computers)
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440[02:54:31] <pingfloyd> kruug: after plugging it in, did you try running vgscan and vgchange?
441[02:55:24] <kruug> running vgscan now
442[02:55:41] <pingfloyd> possibly you might need to edit your /etc/lvm/lvm.conf too
443[02:57:41] <kruug> what changes would have to be made?
444[02:57:52] <pingfloyd> I wouldn't worry about that yet
445[02:58:08] <pingfloyd> try vgscan and vgchange -ay first
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448[02:59:28] <pingfloyd> then see if the LVs and VG show up with vgdisplay, lvdisplay, and lvs. If they do, you they should then show up on lsblk and you should be able to mount where you want.
449[02:59:37] <kruug> vgscan found volume group "balthasar-vg" using metadata type lvm2 (that's my laptop's name)
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453[03:02:20] <jmcnaught> kruug: "lvs" will tell you the LVs on that VG
454[03:02:42] <kruug> home, root, swap_1
455[03:03:01] <jmcnaught> so that's not the external, i don't know why a disk used by a Mac would have LVM on it anyways
456[03:04:21] <kruug> Oh, no. My laptop has LVM on it
457[03:04:32] <kruug> encrypted LVM
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461[03:05:29] <kruug> I'm just trying to get the external drive to mount.
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465[03:06:11] <pingfloyd> kruug: then lvm isn't even relevant
466[03:06:42] <kruug> pingfloyd: I just mentioned it because that's where the boot process hangs.
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468[03:06:50] <kruug> It's a reference point.
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471[03:07:26] <pingfloyd> you need to find out how the data on that external hd is formatted
472[03:07:33] <jmcnaught> kruug: does the drive mount on a different computer? if not, i'd try and take the drive out of the USB enclosure and attach it to the computer some other way
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474[03:08:01] <pingfloyd> if it was setup by a mac, who knows
475[03:08:34] <kruug> jmcnaught: I plugged it into a Windows machine before the Linux one, no go there.
476[03:08:49] <pingfloyd> you said it was a backup, do you know what tool he used to back it up to that drive?
477[03:08:52] <kruug> My thought was removing the enclosure as well, but seeing as it's not my device, I didn't want to start there
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479[03:09:01] <jmcnaught> if it halts booting when plugged in, and doesn't show in lsblk i wouldn't trust the USB to SATA part of the drive enclosure anymore
480[03:09:17] <kruug> pingfloyd: No, I would assume TimeMachine, but no idea.
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487[03:14:38] <pingfloyd> at this point probably should start from the beginning. run dmesg -w in a terminal and then plug it in
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490[03:14:55] <pingfloyd> see what messages show in that terminal.
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492[03:15:23] <kruug> Wrong diagnostic page; asked for 1 got 0
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494[03:15:39] <kruug> Failed to get diagnostic page 0xffffffea
495[03:15:48] <kruug> Failed to bind enclosure -19
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497[03:15:56] <pingfloyd> pastebin it
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499[03:17:07] <kruug> replaced-url
500[03:17:49] <kruug> and it just keeps repeating `reset high-speed USB device number 4 using ehci-pci`
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508[03:20:20] <kruug> Oh, more paste!
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511[03:20:41] <kruug> replaced-url
512[03:20:58] <kruug> pingfloyd: not sure if you saw :)
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515[03:24:36] <pingfloyd> kruug: are you plugging in through a usb hub?
516[03:25:21] <kruug> Directly into the port on the laptop.
517[03:25:26] <kruug> So, built in hub?
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519[03:25:52] <pingfloyd> kruug: and it was also having troubles when you tried plugging it into a difference system?
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521[03:26:14] <kruug> Different laptop with Windows 10 installed.
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523[03:26:22] <pingfloyd> what happened when you tried with that one?
524[03:26:31] <kruug> It installed the driver, but the device was not assigned a drive letter.
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526[03:26:42] <pingfloyd> did it show up on disk manager?
527[03:26:49] <kruug> Let me check, just thought of that.
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533[03:28:13] <kruug> pingfloyd: No entry in Disk Manager, no entry in Device Manager -> Disk drives
534[03:28:29] <pingfloyd> do you have another usb cable you can swap as a test?
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536[03:29:09] <kruug> I'll have to check. It's one of those mini-usb with power things from Western Digital.
537[03:29:23] <pingfloyd> yeah, they can vary
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539[03:29:59] <pingfloyd> this is more troubleshooting and ruling out possible causes.
540[03:30:44] <kruug> yeah, none at home here...in the office, sure, but not home
541[03:31:09] <kruug> without tearing the device apart, this might have to wait until Monday when I can test a different cable.
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543[03:31:23] <pingfloyd> kruug: that's okay. Can you disassemble the enclosure and plug directly to sata (or whatever its internal interface is).
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545[03:31:49] <kruug> I'll have to check if it's screwed together or pressed.
546[03:32:04] <pingfloyd> at this point it could be the cable, the enclosure, and/or the drive. These experiments may help pinpoint more what the problem is.
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550[03:32:41] <pingfloyd> it's hard to conclude how windows handled it
551[03:33:20] <pingfloyd> but usually it should at least show up in disk manager, I just don't trust disk manager not to be stupid.
552[03:34:08] <pingfloyd> since it is so non-transparent, it's hard to conclude much with it
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557[03:35:18] <kruug> yeah, it's pressed :/ all my spudgers are at work with the spare cables
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559[03:35:30] <pingfloyd> one thing you can try in windows is see if diskpart sees it at all. But be careful with diskpart, it likes to make changes instantly.
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563[03:36:53] <pingfloyd> kruug: here's the help for it replaced-url
564[03:37:06] <pingfloyd> you might looking at it with all of the list options
565[03:37:55] <pingfloyd> it's likely an issue with the enclosure, but I wouldn't conclude with that quite yet.
566[03:38:07] <kruug> yeah, running diskpart -> list disk in an elevated CMD only shows the internal disk
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570[03:39:01] <pingfloyd> situations like these is where it's nice to have a spare enclosuer
571[03:39:31] <pingfloyd> like a known good working one to test with
572[03:39:47] <kruug> yeah, I have external SATA to USB, but not an actual enclosure
573[03:40:01] <kruug> one of those portable recovery packs
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575[03:40:32] <kruug> This kit: replaced-url
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577[03:41:51] <pingfloyd> that would be worth trying
578[03:42:20] <kruug> waiting on permission to tear the enclosure apart.
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581[03:42:55] <pingfloyd> that looks even more versatile
582[03:44:33] <pingfloyd> that thing looks rather handy for troubleshooting these kinds of problems
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593[03:48:23] <pingfloyd> kruug: if you end up using that recovery pack, I'd first establish that it works with the host you're going to test the faulty drive with.
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597[03:49:12] <pingfloyd> kruug: like try it first with a known working drive on your host system to establish a working baseline
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602[03:52:20] <kruug> yeah, it's been a life saver. Bought it for $25-ish about 10 years ago, used it 4 or 5 times (mainly early on) but it's saved so many important files that I should look for a USB 3 version...
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605[03:52:55] <kruug> faster data transfer would help, but not sure if I'd want that on some drives...the one's with the click of death are usually recommended to go slow.
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614[04:00:28] <pingfloyd> also once you are able to get to the point of getting the drive to connect, it would probably be worth checking its smart info
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616[04:00:49] <kruug> Ah, very true.
617[04:01:01] <pingfloyd> that will at least give you some idea what kind of health it is in
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643[04:21:10] <tom99> how does one check hard drive S.M.A.R.T. info in debian linux?
644[04:21:33] <ryouma> smartctl
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650[04:26:17] <awal1> gsmartcontrol (gui), tom99
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654[04:28:43] <tom99> it took me a disturbingly long time to realize you were answering my question ryouma
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656[04:29:02] <tom99> when I do apt-cache search smartctl does it search the file provided or only the description?
657[04:29:03] <duff> Is vi the same as vim?
658[04:29:15] <tom99> i noticed it displayed package smartmontools which provides smartctl
659[04:30:59] <tom99> duff: no. i learned that the hard way
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680[04:36:20] <ryouma> tom99: you want apt-file search i think (somebody will correct me)
681[04:36:35] <ryouma> oh good it worked
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685[04:39:19] <pingfloyd> apt-file is correct
686[04:39:36] <pingfloyd> if you have the package already installed, you can find the file with dpkg -S
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713[04:58:10] <random_numbers> Hey, I'm having a problem with my $PATH. In my .profile I added a check for if a dotfile directory exists and if it does (I checked with bash, it works), then to add it to path. It doesn't work.
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716[04:58:25] <random_numbers> PATH="$HOME/.local/bin:$PATH"
717[05:01:16] <TomTomTo1> can you give us the whole thing?
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719[05:02:03] <random_numbers> Hm, yeah, pasting it...
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722[05:02:13] * random_numbers ought to make a script to paste clipboard.
723[05:02:26] <somiaj> random_numbers: man bash, note that .profile is only read for certain shells. there is also .bashrc
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725[05:02:41] <somiaj> !pastebinit
726[05:02:42] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b replaced-url
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728[05:02:56] <random_numbers> I'm intent on having it be loaded for both X and bash.
729[05:03:06] <somiaj> random_numbers: well it is the type of shell you use, man bash for detail.
730[05:04:00] <somiaj> random_numbers: in my .bash_profile or .profile I just put [ -f ~/.bashrc ] && . ~/.bashrc, that way I get the same thing in both cases.
731[05:04:07] <random_numbers> replaced-url
732[05:04:37] <random_numbers> Don't I run the risk of having the thing appear twice in my $PATH?
733[05:04:46] <random_numbers> Though I don't think that would actually do anything...
734[05:05:24] <somiaj> random_numbers: you should probabaly put those path variables in .bashrc over .profile. It won't be read on non-login shells
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736[05:05:49] <random_numbers> I see. I never actually tested it with the basic TTYs.
737[05:06:05] <somiaj> random_numbers: since you are reading your .bashrc from that .profile, .bashrc is where you put stuff that you want read for both non-login and login(1) shells.
738[05:06:15] <tom99> !pastebinit
739[05:06:16] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b replaced-url
740[05:06:28] <somiaj> random_numbers: .profile is only stuff for login(1) shells, but xterms aren't login shells for instance.
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742[05:07:48] <random_numbers> Alright. What do you suggest for X environment path adding?
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744[05:08:23] <somiaj> random_numbers: as I said, .bashrc for stuff you want to affect both login and interactive shells.
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746[05:09:12] <random_numbers> Hm, so stuff like graphical programs that call subprograms in the background would be affected?
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752[05:12:01] <tom99> bash doesn't read .profile if you have a .bashrc, so it .profile only for non bash shells?
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754[05:12:53] <random_numbers> It's a good thing to know, I guess.
755[05:13:00] <somiaj> tom99: no. man bash. if bash reads .bashrc or .profile is dependent on the type of shell that is invoked.
756[05:13:00] <TomTomTo1> no, bash reads ~/.profile
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760[05:13:48] <somiaj> tom99: page down to the INVOCATION section
761[05:13:58] <random_numbers> Only if you use it as a login shell is what these folks are telling me. The part about it working if using .bashrc for non-login is spot on though, so thanks.
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769[05:19:13] <TomTomTo1> also [[ is a bash builtin and and ~/.profile is not only read by bash.
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773[05:22:55] <dvs> !nickometer ||||||||||||||||
774[05:22:56] <dpkg> '||||||||||||||||' is 99.9945% lame, dvs
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777[05:24:57] <dax> !nickometer dax
778[05:24:58] <dpkg> 'dax' is 0.000% lame, dax
779[05:25:02] <dax> woot
780[05:25:09] <dvs> heh
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798[05:33:33] <man_in_shack> anyone tried putting vanilla debian arm64 on a raspberry pi 3? :)
799[05:34:08] <tom99> so bash doesn't read .profile if it's an interactive non-login shell?
800[05:34:33] * tom99 thinks programs have so many arbitrary rules to remember...
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808[05:40:57] <Lady_Aleena> Hello again. Do you think IceDove will care where the Local Folders directory is? Its current location is in a not user friendly directory "/home/me/.icedove/fhrb6mwp.default/Mail/Local Folders"
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815[05:45:46] <Lady_Aleena> Also, I am about to use a suggestion on replaced-url
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824[05:47:52] <Lady_Aleena> !nickometer Lady_Aleena
825[05:47:54] <dpkg> 'Lady_Aleena' is 0.000% lame, lady_aleena
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829[05:48:43] <Lady_Aleena> Wow! nickometer didn't even wince at my underscore. 8)
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839[05:54:41] <pingfloyd> tom99: you don't have to remember, that's why they make man pages
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846[05:58:04] <Lady_Aleena> pingfloyd, you suggested replaced-url
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848[05:59:23] <tom99> pingfloyd, I read the man page without any more solid idea of login shells vs interactive vs bash shells than before.
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851[06:00:09] <TomTomTo1> Lady_Aleena: backslash lets you continue a command in the next line in bash.
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853[06:00:53] <pingfloyd> Lady_Aleena: I'd back your mail files up first though as a precaution
854[06:01:14] <Lady_Aleena> pingfloyd, they are on my old hard drive and a usb drive.
855[06:01:18] <Lady_Aleena> pingfloyd, good enough?
856[06:01:19] <pingfloyd> tom99: login shell is usually what you see at the VC where you login
857[06:01:48] <Lady_Aleena> TomTomTo1, so if I an running it all on one line, take it out, correct?
858[06:01:48] <jmcnaught> some terminal emulators have the option to run a login shell
859[06:01:52] <pingfloyd> tom99: interactive any time you start a new bash session, e.g., start up a terminal or type bash in the current shell session
860[06:02:00] <TomTomTo1> Lady_Aleena: yes
861[06:02:28] <Lady_Aleena> Tissues ready if this doesn't work?
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863[06:03:06] <Lady_Aleena> Oh, the '' at the end of the command, leave those in, correct?
864[06:03:16] <pingfloyd> tom99: many things can be applied in /etc/profile and .profile because it's usually the most parent shell, for variables that aren't environment variables, you usually will want to export them though if you want child shell session to inherit them
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866[06:04:10] <Lady_Aleena> Ready the tissues!
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871[06:07:45] <Lady_Aleena> It was going then failed! replaced-url
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907[06:33:27] <pingfloyd> looks like the script is doubling up on 'cur'
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909[06:33:34] <pingfloyd> in its parsing
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915[06:37:02] <Lady_Aleena> pingfloyd, it did.
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917[06:37:32] <Lady_Aleena> And it missed the inbox completely.
918[06:37:43] <Lady_Aleena> And it dropped several messages.
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936[06:52:57] <pingfloyd> Lady_Aleena: this looks like a much easier solution replaced-url
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941[06:54:05] <pingfloyd> Lady_Aleena: he sets up kmail to use mbox and then copies the files over to the thunderbird profile. He then has to rename the .<name>.directory directories to <name>.sdb
942[06:56:11] <pingfloyd> Lady_Aleena: see this also replaced-url
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944[06:56:39] <Lady_Aleena> pingfloyd, the 2nd leads to a dead page.
945[06:56:52] <Lady_Aleena> Now it doesn't.
946[06:57:00] <Hunterkll> pingfloyd, when's your next album coming out?
947[06:57:10] <pingfloyd> Lady_Aleena: so it looks it comes down to migrating kmail in Maildir format is a nightmare, but migrating kmail in mbox format is easier.
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949[06:58:07] <pingfloyd> also, apparently kmail use Maildir by default, but does support mbox if you set it to
950[06:58:31] <Lady_Aleena> pingfloyd, it looks like I would have to be able to see the email in KMail to do the second.
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954[07:00:25] <Lady_Aleena> And I have sub-directories.
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964[07:08:41] <Lady_Aleena> I wonder if I could purge KMail and then reinstall it to see if it will fix itself so I can try again to make it show my mail so I can save it in mbox format.
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966[07:09:16] <Lady_Aleena> I was following directions on a page, and things kept getting worse. So, if I could purge it and reinstall it, it may work better.
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968[07:09:55] <Lady_Aleena> Or maybe update it to a newer version (because the current Debian version is so out of date, KDE people won't touch it).
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978[07:13:46] <Lady_Aleena> Okay, what bot tells me about packages. dpkg didn't.
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982[07:15:16] <TomTomTo1> what about packages?
983[07:15:21] <TomTomTo1> ,v kmail
984[07:15:22] <judd> Package: kmail on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.4.11.1+l10n-3+b1; jessie: 4:4.14.1-1; sid: 4:16.04.3-1; stretch: 4:16.04.3-1
985[07:15:25] <TomTomTo1> this?
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987[07:15:46] <Lady_Aleena> Well forget that, I can't apt-get purge kmail because it will take kde-standard and task-kde-desktop with it.
988[07:16:01] <TomTomTo1> a different version of kmail will not help you to convert your emails.
989[07:17:13] <Lady_Aleena> kmail was not installed by itself, it was installed within a bigger package I am guessing.
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993[07:18:07] <TomTomTo1> kde-standard and task-kde-desktop are only meta-packages. if it's only those two you can safely remove it.
994[07:18:21] <Lady_Aleena> I had this problem when I purged kate and kwrite once upon a time. They took everything around them with them.
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999[07:19:54] <Lady_Aleena> TomTomTo1, the reason I want to reinstall is that I copied somethings over, and Kmail got worse.
1000[07:20:04] <Lady_Aleena> s/somethings/some things/;
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1002[07:22:33] <Lady_Aleena> TomTomTo1, so meta-packages are just junk anyway?
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1004[07:23:01] <TomTomTo1> they bundle packages to make it easy to install them.
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1006[07:23:26] <Lady_Aleena> paste.debian.net/846778/
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1009[07:25:24] <Lady_Aleena> BTW, the debian paste site is getting spammed.
1010[07:25:52] <TomTomTo1> that happens sometimes
1011[07:27:28] <Lady_Aleena> So, do you think my thinking is good, purge and reinstall to if it gets fixed?
1012[07:27:42] <Lady_Aleena> s/to if/to see if/;
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1014[07:28:04] <TomTomTo1> don't know what your problem is in the first place. either way, back up your emails first.
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1018[07:33:16] <Lady_Aleena> Is there an image pastebin?
1019[07:33:34] <Lady_Aleena> I don't have filezilla set up yet so can't upload to my remote host.
1020[07:34:23] <TomTomTo1> imgur.com for example
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1024[07:35:38] <Lady_Aleena> Here is a screenshot: replaced-url
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1037[07:42:54] <darxmurf> hi all
1038[07:43:38] <tx> hi one
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1041[07:44:07] <darxmurf> ready to play with ldap samba and kerberos ? \o/
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1045[07:46:45] <ransur0t> yummy
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1047[07:47:01] <tom99> that sounds incredibly tedius darxmurf
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1049[07:47:42] <pingfloyd> Lady_Aleena: when you remove a package that is a dependency of a meta-package it will want to remove the meta-package and any more dependencies of it that are marked as automatically installed. The fix is the mark whatever you want to keep as manually installed.
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1052[07:47:57] <darxmurf> super exciting
1053[07:48:45] <darxmurf> How to add a simple ldap filter in my smb+ldap+kerberos conf to check if the user account got something like ThisValue=1 ?
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1055[07:49:21] <darxmurf> something like: nss_base_group ou=groups,dc=company,dc=net?sub?ThisValue=1 ?
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1057[07:49:55] <Lady_Aleena> pingfloyd, can I reinstall over top of the current install?
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1062[07:51:09] <Lady_Aleena> Maybe something like (but not) sudo apt-get fix kmail
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1064[07:51:21] <pingfloyd> Lady_Aleena: what you could do instead though in this situation, is try: apt-get -o DPkg::options::=--force-confmiss --reinstall install kmail
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1067[07:51:44] <pingfloyd> Lady_Aleena: that should reinstall and set the configuration back to default
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1072[07:52:14] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: reinstalling kmail will not have any effect at all on your user's kmail profile
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1074[07:53:07] <jmcnaught> darxmurf: why are you trying to check a field's value instead of group membership?
1075[07:53:09] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, yep. It did work.
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1080[07:54:03] <jmcnaught> oh really?
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1084[07:54:47] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, ACK! did NOT work.
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1089[07:56:02] <jmcnaught> packages don't touch user home directories, which is where each user's settings and data are kept
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1092[07:57:58] <pingfloyd> for user's configuration, you can probably just move or rename the appropriate dotfile or dotdirectory for it
1093[07:58:16] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I don't remember everything I did.
1094[07:58:34] <pingfloyd> Lady_Aleena: ~/.kmail maybe?
1095[07:58:52] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: neither do I :P
1096[07:59:09] <pingfloyd> Lady_Aleena: I don't use kmail though, so I'm not sure how it places its dotfiles/dotdirs
1097[07:59:40] <Lady_Aleena> pingfloyd, I was following directions here: replaced-url
1098[08:00:02] <Lady_Aleena> I overwrote what was already in those places.
1099[08:00:25] <Lady_Aleena> So, without the original configs, I will never get all of my stored email back.
1100[08:00:27] <mrrhq> I wonder if you're using KMail because Thunderbird is not getting as much support anymore.
1101[08:00:33] <mrrhq> I feel bad for all those TB users.
1102[08:01:27] <pingfloyd> Lady_Aleena: what version of kmail are you using?
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1104[08:01:42] <Lady_Aleena> mrrhq, I want to use Thunderbird, but the conversion program I used to convert my maildir email to thunderbird missed a LOT.
1105[08:01:49] <Lady_Aleena> 4.14.1
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1108[08:02:20] <Lady_Aleena> mrrhq, my whole Inbox was skipped, and I have over a decade of email there.
1109[08:02:42] <mrrhq> Lady_Aleena: I use ProtonMail, so I don't even use an IMAP or POP client, I just use either the Webmail or Android client.
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1111[08:02:57] <mrrhq> Such is life without IMAP.
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1113[08:03:21] <pingfloyd> Lady_Aleena: so it looks like it is intermingled with the rest of kde config under ~/.kde/share/config/ So you could try to renaming the files it lists there and starting it up
1114[08:03:42] <pingfloyd> Lady_Aleena: then maybe it will start fresh
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1122[08:06:27] <pingfloyd> kmail seems like a big pita
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1128[08:07:21] <Lady_Aleena> pingfloyd, it is. It doesn't help that the Debian version is over 4 years old.
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1131[08:08:40] <Lady_Aleena> If Debian would keep KDE programs more up to date, it may not be as bad.
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1134[08:09:30] <mrrhq> The tradeoff is security and stability vs newer and unstable.
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1136[08:09:54] <mrrhq> You can use Backports for KDE maybe.
1137[08:10:28] <Lady_Aleena> I am looking at starting all over. Putting the install CD in the drive, and reinstalling by the scorched earth method.
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1140[08:10:54] <Lady_Aleena> It appears the doc I read was too old.
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1142[08:11:32] <Lady_Aleena> Scorched earth will wipe all my screw ups.
1143[08:11:43] <Lady_Aleena> But I will have to do the bills first.
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1149[08:13:22] <darxmurf> jmcnaught: we have a huge ldap here with tousands of entries and we have sometime more than one entry per user and I need to filter my request with one field
1150[08:13:31] <darxmurf> which is like "PrimaryAccount=1"
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1153[08:15:29] <jmcnaught> darxmurf: you can't put the accounts that should have access into a group, and then filter by that group?
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1155[08:15:43] <darxmurf> nop
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1157[08:16:41] <darxmurf> should I use SSSD to add a filtering layer on this auth process ?
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1160[08:18:31] <Lady_Aleena> BTW, I've bitten one nail down to the quick because of the lack of consistency between email clients email storage.
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1167[08:21:07] <Lady_Aleena> And I still haven't found a way to tell Apache to add my local perl libs to @INC
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1174[08:23:36] <jmcnaught> darxmurf: maybe ask in #ldap
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1177[08:24:18] <darxmurf> huh I'll try
1178[08:24:21] <darxmurf> #ldap
1179[08:24:35] <darxmurf> -.-
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1181[08:25:09] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: replaced-url
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1185[08:29:38] <Lady_Aleena> So put PerlSwitches -I/home/me/perl5 in any of the .conf files?
1186[08:30:51] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: the Debian way of configuring Apache is to have everything to do with one site in a single .conf in /etc/apache2/sites-available, and enable it with a2ensite
1187[08:31:38] <jmcnaught> that way you can leave all the other files alone so that dpkg won't prompt you about newer versions of the file (do you want to keep your version?).
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1190[08:33:13] <Lady_Aleena> How do I restart apache?
1191[08:33:28] <jmcnaught> systemctl restart apache2
1192[08:33:51] <jmcnaught> for most configuration changes you can reload instead of restarting apache
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1197[08:35:45] <Lady_Aleena> I added PerlSwitches -I/home/me/perl5 to apache2.conf and Apache still did not read my local libs.
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1205[08:41:58] <Lady_Aleena> How bad is it to give up doing something right to get something working?
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1209[08:42:47] <saboru> never give up :)
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1211[08:43:04] <nkuttler> making things work sounds "right" to me. you can still optimize later
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1215[08:43:31] <Lady_Aleena> saboru, well, until Apache and Bash start talking to each other so my local libs work, I will have to install modules into root's libs instead of my local libs.
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1217[08:44:18] <Lady_Aleena> My local libs only work in the terminal emulator, they do not work in the browser.
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1222[08:46:56] <gnunicorn> hi guys, Id like to use jessie for prod but need a recent version of php etc, what would be the most sane way?
1223[08:47:08] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: put them in /usr/local
1224[08:47:13] <man_in_shack> huh
1225[08:47:38] <Lady_Aleena> Put my local libs in /usr/local?
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1227[08:48:12] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: if you're going to install these perl libraries system-wide, but not using apt, then they belong in /usr/local
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1230[08:48:58] <jmcnaught> gnunicorn: the version in jessie isn't that old and gets security updates, is that not enough?
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1232[08:49:16] <man_in_shack> is it normal for there to be a user "irc" in /etc/passwd even if no ircd is installed?
1233[08:49:22] <TomTomTo1> Lady_Aleena: are you still trying to get your perl script from the other day to work?
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1236[08:49:58] <TomTomTo1> Lady_Aleena: because i have no idea what you are trying to say with "install modules into root's libs instead of my local libs"
1237[08:49:59] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I just wish I knew how companies like Xecu.net do it. I know on Xecu.net I can load modules to a local lib somewhere, and it will only work on my site.
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1240[08:50:23] <Lady_Aleena> Instead of cpan Module::Name it would be sudo cpan Module::Name
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1244[08:51:15] <TomTomTo1> oh, perl modules not the apache kind.
1245[08:51:32] <Lady_Aleena> Yes TomTomTo1.
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1248[08:52:45] <Lady_Aleena> I installed the perl module Lingua::EN::Inflect into my local lib (/home/me/perl5), but when I run my site in the browser, I'm told Lingua::EN::Inflect is not available and I should install it.
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1250[08:53:42] <Lady_Aleena> And since my .bashrc file and my apache configs are not talking to each other, apache doesn't know to look for perl modules in /home/me/perl5.
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1253[08:54:12] <vahe> hi all, how can i extract .exe files?
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1255[08:55:08] <mrrhq> vahe: Depends what kind of .exe it is. Is it a Windows installer file? Then maybe.
1256[08:55:32] <mrrhq> In that case 7-Zip might be able to open it, sometimes.
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1260[08:56:56] <vahe> mrrhq: thanks,i try
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1264[08:59:16] <gnunicorn> jmcnaught: php7 would be nice :)
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1266[09:00:38] <jmcnaught> gnunicorn: if it's would be nice and not a hard requirement, you're much better off using the packages provided by Debian
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1269[09:01:27] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: apache doesn't care about bash at all. If you make a paste of your apache2.conf people might be able to help you
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1275[09:04:58] <nkuttler> wth. in the installer, how do i delete a partition used as device for encryption?
1276[09:05:21] <vahe> mrrhq: 7za e <archive name> ?
1277[09:07:56] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, is there an easy way to paste that file?
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1279[09:08:16] <mrrhq> vahe: I would use p7zip-full instead of 7za
1280[09:08:28] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell Lady_Aleena about pastebinit
1281[09:08:35] <mrrhq> vahe: But yeah, that should work.
1282[09:09:05] <vahe> mrrhq: but not work 7za, i try p7zip-full
1283[09:09:09] <mrrhq> 7z l myfile.exe
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1285[09:09:50] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, you just saved my wrist! replaced-url
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1288[09:10:38] <vahe> mrrhq: replaced-url
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1297[09:12:31] <no_gravity> Good Morning! How do I kill an inbound ssh connection on the server?
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1300[09:13:16] <petemc> no_gravity: kill the shell
1301[09:13:19] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: PerlSwitches is for apache's mod_perl, but it looks like you're trying to use CGI
1302[09:13:20] <petemc> assuming it has one
1303[09:13:24] <Mathisen> no_gravity, ps -aux | grep ssh
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1305[09:13:35] <vahe> mrrhq: i want to upgrade the camera firmware ))
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1307[09:13:45] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I am using perl scripts.
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1309[09:14:16] <no_gravity> petemc: petemc How do I find the right one?
1310[09:14:44] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, my remote site is replaced-url
1311[09:15:06] <mrrhq> vahe: If you want the bin file, just do 7z x myfile.exe
1312[09:15:11] <no_gravity> Mathisen: Hmm.. how do I figure out the right process in the output?
1313[09:15:16] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: sure, and apache has multiple ways of executing them. CGI is an old fashioned way, but if it works for you then use it. mod_perl is another way.
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1316[09:16:23] <gnunicorn> no_gravity: pgrep or ps
1317[09:16:43] <no_gravity> gnunicorn: But then how to figure out which one is the right process...
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1320[09:16:50] <vahe> mrrhq: replaced-url
1321[09:16:54] <vahe> :(
1322[09:16:57] <gnunicorn> hm try this ps ax| grep ssh
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1324[09:16:57] <Mathisen> no_gravity, well if you got many add the -u for user ... example > -u root
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1326[09:17:04] <gnunicorn> or aux
1327[09:17:06] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, however, I have modules in /home/me/perl5 which apache is not seeing and I don't want to have to alter 400+ scripts to get /home/me/perl5 to work, because when I upload them from my computer to my remote host, /home/me/perl5 does not exist, so I would have to edit that line out before or after upload so the script doesn't break.
1328[09:17:09] <Mathisen> if you know what users that is connection that is
1329[09:17:12] <no_gravity> Maybe "netstat -tanp" and then kill the process of the connection?
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1333[09:17:49] <petemc> no_gravity: pstree -up
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1335[09:18:09] <no_gravity> netstat -tanp points me to an sshd process. I will try to kill it...
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1337[09:18:46] <no_gravity> petemc: Ah, that is nice too!
1338[09:19:22] <gnunicorn> no_gravity: lsof -i :22 could work also
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1340[09:19:59] <no_gravity> Lots of solutions :) Thanks everybody!
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1342[09:20:57] <mrrhq> vahe: Dang, that sucks. I'm not sure what to do in that case. Strange how it can read the filenames but not extract the files...
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1346[09:23:16] <mrrhq> vahe: I would install Wine, run the exe with Wine to extract it. Or if you have a spare Windows machine, extract it with that. :p
1347[09:23:34] <vahe> )))
1348[09:23:46] <vahe> mrrhq: If I'll give you these files you can just unzip and send? pls :)
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1350[09:24:36] <vahe> 1.download.nikonimglib.com/archive2/doQbp000X0RY02tFgD5570Vcoo02/F-DCDATA-2015W.exe
1351[09:24:36] <vahe> 2.download.nikonimglib.com/archive2/wdE6i00qui4k02GeDki59XhdE482/F-D5000-V101W.exe
1352[09:24:39] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: i don't know perl very well, but if it has a variable similar to what $PATH does for bash, you could try passing it to CGI scripts with SetEnv from mod_env
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1354[09:24:49] <mrrhq> Not unless you trust me more than yourself.
1355[09:25:15] <mrrhq> Lol.
1356[09:25:38] <vahe> mrrhq: lol
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1358[09:26:11] <vahe> mrrhq: This is just to update)))
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1360[09:27:31] <vahe> mrrhq: I'm sure you're a good man) :P
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1363[09:28:23] <vahe> then all my sda disks encoded)))
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1366[09:29:06] <tx> who needs encryption
1367[09:29:09] <tx> when you have encoding!
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1370[09:29:51] <pragomer_1> I installed java that way: replaced-url
1371[09:29:59] <pragomer_1> but when I do java --version I get the error:
1372[09:30:06] <pragomer_1> Could not create the Java Virtual Machine.
1373[09:30:18] <vahe> mrrhq: you can help?
1374[09:30:23] <vahe> or no))
1375[09:30:34] <pragomer_1> Error: A fatal exception has occurred. Program will exit.
1376[09:30:38] <pragomer_1> what could be wrong here?
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1380[09:31:26] <pragomer_1> oh it was just -version instead of --version
1381[09:31:27] <pragomer_1> omg
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1384[09:32:03] <ranix> tripped and died
1385[09:32:03] <TomTomTo1> pragomer_1: using ubuntu repositories in debian can break your system. this was not a good idea.
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1388[09:32:20] <jmcnaught> pragomer_1: jessie comes with openjdk-8
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1390[09:32:33] <TomTomTo1> pragomer_1: openjdk-8 can be found in jessie-backports
1391[09:32:34] <mrrhq> vahe: I wish I could, but it would be awkward.. and go against my beliefs of FOSS, and running exe files on my personal maching I don't trust... So I try to refrain from that. You can install Wine and do it yourself.
1392[09:33:18] <jmcnaught> oh right, it's in backports
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1395[09:34:36] <Lady_Aleena> I may be very very very close on getting my apache/perl/browser issue fixed.
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1398[09:34:57] <ranix> vahe: declare defeat and procure a windows computer to use for this task then dump it
1399[09:35:17] <vahe> mrrhq: not thinking that the exe can do something with your machine, but I respect your beliefs
1400[09:36:27] <mrrhq> Sorry... Not too surprising that a lot of debian users are very FOSS friendly and advocative though.
1401[09:36:36] <vahe> thanks mrrhq
1402[09:36:37] <Lady_Aleena> What is the permission -rw-r--r--, isn't that 644?
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1404[09:36:41] <mrrhq> Maybe get a FOSS camera. ;)
1405[09:36:46] <vahe> ;)
1406[09:36:52] <mrrhq> Although the D5000 is a really good camera.
1407[09:36:57] <mrrhq> So nice choice.
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1409[09:37:06] <ranix> there are firmware hacks for that one
1410[09:37:10] <ranix> fuck it up son
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1412[09:37:16] <mrrhq> Ew.
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1414[09:37:42] <ranix> you'll never need windows again
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1416[09:38:04] <ranix> aw he left
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1419[09:38:31] <Lady_Aleena> I thought I didn't have to chmod everything in a directory to 755 to get things to run in the browser.
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1421[09:38:59] <mrrhq> I wish my smartphone had a DSLR camera.
1422[09:39:04] <mrrhq> Why is this not a thing, yet?
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1424[09:39:22] <ranix> if he hung around for 5 more minutes we woulda gave him a youtube video on how to hack it with an sd card lol
1425[09:39:27] <ranix> replaced-url
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1427[09:39:40] <ranix> no windows required for a firmware upgrade
1428[09:40:36] <superman8> Hi how to add source list for gnome packaged..
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1430[09:41:29] <superman8> I try add a few source in /etc/apt/source.list but still unable to install gnome desktop
1431[09:41:42] <Lady_Aleena> 8\o/* Success! "SetEnv PERL5LIB /home/me/perl5/lib/perl5" did it in apache2.conf
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1435[09:42:47] <mrrhq> >Flashing can brick your device.
1436[09:42:50] <mrrhq> That's why.
1437[09:42:59] <TomTomTo1> superman8: can you paste your sources.list to paste.debian.net please? you shouldn't need to add anything to your sources, gnome is in the main repo.
1438[09:43:00] <veek> is there a way to figure out which app is requesting a particula url, ip in linux - barring lsof, netstat
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1440[09:43:14] <mrrhq> Unless of course, Nikon would possibly cover that in a warranty.
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1442[09:43:28] <TomTomTo1> superman8: just adding sources carelessly is often a bad idea.
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1445[09:44:17] <afx__> Hello ! I am getting random slow boot times and when this happens my Gnome theme(Adwaita) seems broken , is there a way I can troubleshoot this issue ?
1446[09:44:35] <Guest73564> do you need to register with a nick here ?
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1451[09:45:25] <superman8> TomTomTo1: thanks for reply, will revert back in here later, cause not in a desktop right now.. thanks again for reply..
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1453[09:45:48] <mrrhq> veek: sudo lsof -i -P
1454[09:45:51] <mrrhq> Maybe that?
1455[09:45:54] <pingumaharaj> asdfdasf
1456[09:46:10] <pingumaharaj> Hi
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1459[09:46:18] <mrrhq> Evening.
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1478[09:53:32] <hmpf1> Hello everybody.
1479[09:53:32] <hmpf1> I have a question about systemd. I have the service dhcpcd running. But I can't find a unit file for it. But there is the start script in /etc/init.d. "service dhcpcd status" shows that as the source.
1480[09:53:53] <hmpf1> Is that a case of systemd using a sysv init script?
1481[09:54:41] <hmpf1> Do I have to use sysv tools to configure it then (service, update-rc.d)?
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1483[09:55:09] <babilen> No, you don't
1484[09:55:14] <babilen> You can, but you don't have to
1485[09:55:16] <mrrhq> I believe systemd does still use init files for backwards compatability. But you can still manage those with systemctl.
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1487[09:55:22] <babilen> (it does)
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1489[09:56:31] <hmpf1> is there a straight forward way to see what kind of system a service is using?
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1497[09:58:54] <babilen> hmpf1: It is shown in the status output
1498[09:59:10] <oskie> has the debian-security team been unusually busy lately?
1499[09:59:18] <babilen> But you are using systemd obviously
1500[09:59:34] <babilen> oskie: Why?
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1502[09:59:48] <oskie> babilen: getting updates every day ... but maybe they are not all security updates
1503[09:59:56] <oskie> ^i've been
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1505[10:00:15] <mrrhq> I also find it funny there's no seperate DHCP systemd service file. Is it included in networking.service?
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1507[10:00:47] <babilen> mrrhq: You mean for running your own DHCP server?
1508[10:00:49] <mrrhq> I'm guessing that starts up Debian's interfaces file.
1509[10:00:58] <mrrhq> No as a DHCP cliend.
1510[10:01:01] <mrrhq> *client
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1513[10:02:33] <mrrhq> Yeah, networking takes care of all of that.
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1516[10:03:22] <ar> mrrhq: dhcpcd provides its own init script
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1518[10:04:30] <ranix> it's isc-dhcp-server now
1519[10:04:35] <mrrhq> Eh, I still prefer isc-dhsp.
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1536[10:12:06] <dob1> hi, can I know if a pc was shutdown pressing the power button (that call the shutdown) ?
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1540[10:12:19] <enthdd> hi guys
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1550[10:19:01] <Lady_Aleena> How do I keep my grep colors going when I pipe grep through something like sort? I forgot. grep -r 'something' | sort | tee >(wc -1)
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1552[10:19:30] <mrrhq> dob1: It might show up in the kernel logs.
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1554[10:21:01] <mrrhq> Lady_Aleena: I don't think it's possible unless those other programs also have color support.
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1558[10:21:46] <mrrhq> Because piping just deals with raw stdin/stdout data.
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1560[10:22:05] <Lady_Aleena> mrrhq, I found it... go to .bashrc and change alias grep='grep --color=auto' to --color=always
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1563[10:22:35] <dob1> mrrhq, i find the shutdown event but not what caused it
1564[10:23:19] <Lady_Aleena> I need more fu
1565[10:23:27] <mrrhq> Lady_Aleena: Oh cool, I didn't know about --color=always
1566[10:23:37] <Lady_Aleena> mrrhq, I had to google.
1567[10:24:06] <mrrhq> dob1: Hm, is your computer randomly shutting down at all?
1568[10:24:07] <Lady_Aleena> mrrhq, I just wish I had the fu to columnize grep output.
1569[10:24:36] <dob1> mrrhq, no, it's a remote computer, it was shutdown, i was asking who did this
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1617[10:53:31] <ggherdov> Hello. I'm reading about PXE booting and all guides explain how to set up a PXE server, but what about the client? I don't understand how a client would know the network address of the PXE server. Is it something you set in the BIOS?
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1621[10:55:52] <mrrhq> ggherdov: replaced-url
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1623[10:56:01] <babilen> ggherdov: It's handled by the DHCP server
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1625[10:56:53] <mrrhq> The client assumes the server will be a specific IP, like 192.168.0.1
1626[10:57:01] <babilen> No, it doesn't
1627[10:57:23] <ggherdov> babilen: so the client need to know the DHCP server's IP address, right?
1628[10:57:28] <babilen> It sends a DHCP request and your DHCP server answers
1629[10:57:55] <mrrhq> In that case, what if another person happened to be running a malicious PXE server?
1630[10:58:00] <babilen> replaced-url
1631[10:58:09] <ggherdov> babilen: thanks
1632[10:58:09] <babilen> mrrhq: In that case the first answer is the winner
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1635[10:58:27] <mrrhq> So it's unsafe by design?
1636[10:58:37] <babilen> It's essentially broadcasted to the entire network and you really don't want to have multiple servers
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1638[10:58:56] <mrrhq> Yeah, I know... I mean if that scenario happened.
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1640[10:59:28] <mrrhq> At least with something like Bluetooth pairing, there's some security. You have to physically confirm you want to pair with the device yourself.
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1642[11:00:17] <babilen> There are ways to mitigate this ... lets see if I dig something up.
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1644[11:00:44] <mrrhq> It says on the wiki page it logs everything anyway.
1645[11:00:48] <mrrhq> At /var/log/daemon.log
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1652[11:02:44] <babilen> Well, logging doesn't help. I'm not sure if authentication is supported by clients/servers these days, so this issue is primarily addressed by restricting access to the physical network
1653[11:03:17] <mrrhq> I guess using Ethernet over Wi-Fi is highly preferred for PXE.
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1655[11:03:30] <mrrhq> I was imagining if someone actually used Wi-Fi, lol.
1656[11:03:47] <babilen> replaced-url
1657[11:04:24] <babilen> I've never done PXE over WiFi, but I wouldn't be very surprised if it is done in places nowadays
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1659[11:05:13] <mrrhq> Basically, if you're using Wi-Fi, don't just connect to open access points by name and save them. Always connect to secure access points. DHCP offers no security, it's just best practices at that point. :p
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1670[11:15:12] <msev--> anyone here willing to analyze alsa-info output for me? replaced-url
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1674[11:17:39] <charmian> what's the best way to associate one package with another so that it gets removed or flagged as redundant when removing the package it's been attached to?
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1687[11:23:33] <charmian> what im trying to do is associate a couple of minor lua packages with the mudlet client package so that when/if i decide to remove it from my system, the lua packages can be removed too, or at least flagged for removal with a apt-get autoremove.
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1723[11:39:21] <gebruiker> Antyone tried Debian GNU/kFreeBSD as desktop?
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1725[11:40:03] <gebruiker> I want to try zfs as a filesystem on linux and am curous to know if anyone used it without troubles
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1754[11:58:49] <stranger09> ya please share, i too want to use zfs on debian
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1766[12:07:19] <babilen> gebruiker: You might be interested in replaced-url
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1793[12:20:21] <teraflops> stranger09: where? tty or xorg?
1794[12:20:41] <stranger09> terminator
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1796[12:21:22] <teraflops> stranger09: which DE/WM?
1797[12:21:42] <stranger09> using i3wm
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1800[12:23:02] <teraflops> stranger09: ok what I so using pulseadio is: replaced-url
1801[12:23:23] <stranger09> yes pulseaudio
1802[12:23:31] <teraflops> what I do*
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1804[12:25:17] <teraflops> obv you want to change the path to the sample and your display value
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1809[12:25:55] <teraflops> stranger09: you can check if that works on-the-fly
1810[12:26:01] <teraflops> idk about therminator though ^
1811[12:26:05] <teraflops> terminator*
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1813[12:26:22] <stranger09> teraflops: not getting u ?
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1816[12:26:46] <teraflops> oh sorry I cannot be more specific
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1819[12:27:51] <stranger09> where is the bell audio file
1820[12:28:01] <teraflops> look at the path
1821[12:28:13] <stranger09> r u teling me to change that file with another
1822[12:28:33] <teraflops> paplay for checking how they sound
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1825[12:28:52] <teraflops> stranger09: that's what you asked for
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1827[12:29:04] <teraflops> unless I need way more coffee
1828[12:29:14] <stranger09> i will give a shot
1829[12:29:16] <stranger09> thnks
1830[12:29:18] <teraflops> np
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1850[12:42:19] <darxmurf> !ping
1851[12:42:19] <dpkg> Yes, darxmurf, you are online.
1852[12:42:22] <darxmurf> thanks
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1884[12:54:24] <Mava> hmm, question about any best practices: got a hp dl360p gen8 server with a lot of disk and I should somehow want to monitor the health of the disks using e.g. a script etc. should I use the inbuild HW raid with some hp software or mdadm raid or ?
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1887[12:56:03] <ksk> Mava: that depends :)
1888[12:56:18] <ksk> if you have a "fullstack" hardware raid controller Id suggest using it (performance and stuff!)
1889[12:56:40] <ksk> they probably have a tools for linux then to check the raid state
1890[12:57:12] <Mava> well thats exactly the case, i would say that the raid controller is proper hw raid
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1893[12:57:19] <ksk> if its more a "fakeraid" you would exptect in a desktop computer Id go with linux software raid
1894[12:57:42] <Mava> hehe, i guarantee, we're speaking of real hw raid this case
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1897[12:58:16] <Mava> but the main problem is the hw status tool, like, does it even exist ?
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1899[12:58:25] <tx> yes
1900[12:58:30] <tx> HP have software for linux
1901[12:58:43] <teraflops> real hw raid then you want sw from the manufacturer I think
1902[12:58:58] <Mava> tx: whats the software called that I should be then looking for?
1903[12:59:05] <tx> replaced-url
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1905[12:59:36] <tx> you will probably want this: replaced-url
1906[12:59:38] <Mava> whoa, never faced that before
1907[13:00:53] <Mava> quite nice, through those tools as well iLo can be managed
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1909[13:01:37] <Mava> and what is even more impressive is that they're not just supporting e.g. RHel
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1926[13:08:15] <Mava> tx: got it, thanks to you!
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1969[13:24:02] <Orbstheorem> According to the debian policy, what is the difference betwwen /bin and /usr/bin ?
1970[13:25:09] <babilen> Orbstheorem: I'd recommend to read "man 7 hier" and replaced-url
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1978[13:28:59] <Orbstheorem> babilen: what about /usr/local/bin ?
1979[13:29:31] <Orbstheorem> it juste says "programs local to the site "
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1982[13:29:46] <bakspace> Is ss the same as netstat?
1983[13:30:15] <babilen> /usr/local is typically for data/executables/.. that are under the control of the system administrator directly and the packaging system won't tinker with it
1984[13:30:27] <babilen> Orbstheorem: Anything in particular you'd like to know about it?
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1989[13:31:55] <Orbstheorem> I'm making a btrfs layout, so I want to estimate which paths should I isolate so that rolling back snapshots actually makes sense
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1991[13:32:57] <Orbstheorem> folders like /boot which shouldn't be changing that much will be left on the root subvolume
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1994[13:33:27] <Orbstheorem> /var/vms for the system virtual machines will be in a separate volume with CoW disabled
1995[13:34:10] <Orbstheorem> /home in another separate subvolume with lzo and periodic snapshots
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1997[13:35:05] <Orbstheorem> but for /usr and /bin, I'm not so sure if it makes sense to leave /bin on the root subvolume and let /usr be a subvolume on it's own
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2000[13:35:40] <teraflops> Orbstheorem: well it does not make sense to me
2001[13:35:44] <Orbstheorem> ie. if I rollback a /usr snapshot, will the system will still be stable
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2003[13:36:07] <Orbstheorem> teraflops: what doesn't makes sense?
2004[13:36:08] <teraflops> Orbstheorem: /var makes more sense depending on your use cause
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2006[13:36:27] <teraflops> the /bin bit
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2009[13:37:26] <Orbstheorem> I'm planning to leave /bin on the root subvol, but I'm not sure if /bin is consistent with /usr/bin
2010[13:38:07] <Orbstheorem> like, is rolling back /usr/bin because of a problem during an library upgrade but not rolling back /bin will cause problems?
2011[13:38:07] <teraflops> Orbstheorem: yeah it is, dont bother with that it's fine in the root subvol
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2014[13:38:26] <Orbstheorem> then I guess I'll leave them both on the root one...
2015[13:39:07] <teraflops> Orbstheorem: I have trivial example somewhere if you want to see it
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2017[13:39:30] <Orbstheorem> sure
2018[13:39:34] <teraflops> gimme a sec
2019[13:40:18] <teraflops> Orbstheorem: replaced-url
2020[13:40:55] <teraflops> and yes disabling COW for the VMs is a good idea
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2024[13:41:46] <Poulay_Brayzay> Hello everyone, I'm facing an error 302 when I try ==> root#wget replaced-url
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2026[13:42:06] <Orbstheorem> teraflops: thanks
2027[13:42:09] <teraflops> np
2028[13:42:27] <Orbstheorem> btw, did you just recorded the webm or did you have it already?
2029[13:42:42] <teraflops> I did it myself
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2031[13:42:52] <teraflops> I recorded it*
2032[13:43:09] <Orbstheorem> okay
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2036[13:44:54] <teraflops> Poulay_Brayzay: the message is self explanatory, tried with --no-check-certificate ?
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2038[13:45:43] <teraflops> silly ISPs…
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2048[13:48:22] <teraflops> Orbstheorem: wait you meant I recorded it right now? no it was like a year ago
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2054[13:49:43] <Orbstheorem> teraflops: yeah, that's what I meant. I though you did had a script for making quick screencasts and upload them :P
2055[13:50:19] <teraflops> Orbstheorem: well I already have one it's just I already had the video
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2057[13:50:49] <teraflops> a gstreamer one
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2060[13:51:05] <gry> ./adb: error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2061[13:51:07] <Orbstheorem> mind sharing? :)
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2063[13:51:19] <Orbstheorem> teraflops: ^^
2064[13:51:21] <gry> I already installed libncurses5, what next?
2065[13:51:24] <Poulay_Brayzay> teraflops: yes I've try with --no-check-certificate, same result :(
2066[13:51:38] <teraflops> Orbstheorem: it's fine gimme a sec
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2071[13:52:34] <teraflops> Orbstheorem: replaced-url
2072[13:53:09] <Orbstheorem> great, thanks!
2073[13:53:21] <Orbstheorem> I'll check it later, got course in 10 mins
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2075[13:54:49] <teraflops> Poulay_Brayzay: i'd blame orange
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2078[13:55:03] <teraflops> Orbstheorem: np
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2083[13:56:30] <teraflops> Poulay_Brayzay: funny thing I get an error loop under debian but it works fine in my workstation using another distro
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2092[13:59:45] <Poulay_Brayzay> teraflops: I found this subject, I think it's related ==> replaced-url
2093[13:59:46] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2100[14:01:50] <teraflops> Poulay_Brayzay: are you in wheezy?
2101[14:01:56] <Gerowen> Anybody using Radeon R6 graphics with the proprietary driver on Debian? I've noticed it doesn't explicitly list Debian as a supported distro, but it lists Ubuntu 12.04 and all of the component requirements such as Xorg 7.4 and kernel 2.6 are met by Jessie.
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2111[14:06:06] <Poulay_Brayzay> teraflops: Yes I'm running 7.10 version
2112[14:06:12] <petn-randall> Gerowen: We can't influence which distros AMD officially endorses. Seeing that non-free is not officially part of Debian, and the Debian community prefers FOSS software over non-free, it's not that surprising that they don't officially support it.
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2126[14:10:27] <Gerowen> petn-randall: I understand that, I was just curious if it functioned well enough to get some decent 3-D acceleration out of it for playing some PC games. I've used Debian pretty much exclusively for years until I got this new laptop, and I left a large file transfer running from this Win10 laptop to our Debian home server last night. At some point in the night Windows 10 decided to auto-update and reboot because it was "off hours" and interrupted my
2127[14:10:27] <Gerowen> file transfer. The option to turn off Windows updates was removed in Win10. Anyway, that's off topic, I'll give it a shot on a portable drive and see if I can get 3-D acceleration working, :-)
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2162[14:29:53] <superman8> TomTomTo1: paste.debian.net/847726
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2166[14:31:05] <TomTomTo1> !tell superman8 about jessie sources.list
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2172[14:32:32] <TomTomTo1> superman8: check what the bot sent you. you are missing the keyword main in your sources. the default sources.list has three lines. six if you add deb-src lines.
2173[14:33:33] <TomTomTo1> superman8: debian repos are split into main contrib non-free with contrib and non-free being optional, but you need at least main, which includes all free software.
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2178[14:35:28] <new-nick> Hey there,
2179[14:35:28] <new-nick> Need a little tip.
2180[14:36:03] <superman8> TomTomTo1: received bot,will try now.. best regards
2181[14:36:04] <new-nick> trying to rename all files with a series of file names using mv command.
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2184[14:36:47] <new-nick> Have series of files in directory and trying to rename as image1.png, image2.png so on
2185[14:37:18] <new-nick> any tips to construct terminal command line will be appreciated.
2186[14:37:40] <new-nick> Wanna learn command line before trying bulk rename application.
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2190[14:39:21] <petn-randall> new-nick: I use the 'rename' command for that.
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2195[14:41:36] <new-nick> Perl rename command ? Sure to use rename or mv if I am aware of structuring command properly. Tried to understand rename command from a tutorial but not understand correctly.
2196[14:42:06] <new-nick> Just checking here whether any easy way to achieve bulk/batch rename with terminal command line.
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2224[14:52:54] <aedinius> Not really a question but more of a musing -- i wonder why my laptop loses wifi conn more often than say my phone.
2225[14:53:04] <aedinius> Only on this particular hotel wifi, though.
2226[14:53:33] <superman8> TomTomTo1: tried to run aptitude update but error command not found. Later try with apt-get update update success, now i can install gnome desktop.. thanks for your help..
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2232[14:56:40] <JohnA> OT - how can I dicover/reset my freenode PW? I thought I knew it but I must have changed it and failed to make a note of the new one!!
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2235[14:57:12] <aedinius> JohnA: you can /msg nickserv and get help. there should be a recover option
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2237[14:58:13] <aedinius> JohnA: try setpass, if you have the email set correctly
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2239[14:58:29] <Arone> tgif ?
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2241[14:59:02] <teraflops> JohnA: /msg NickServ SENDPASS nickname
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2243[14:59:10] <teraflops> JohnA: also #freenode
2244[14:59:53] <aedinius> Arone: yay friday night
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2274[15:11:49] <JohnA> teraflops, /part
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2276[15:12:06] <teraflops> huh?
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2279[15:12:37] <B[]rG> :)
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2287[15:15:22] <Jaleks> during dist-upgrade the box hangs on 'sync' while doing 'update-initramfs -u' when "Building cpio /boot/initrd.img-4.4…". now i am afraid that a reboot will not work, and the machine is remote. do i have to be afraid?
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2332[15:37:35] <aedinius> Is there a way to have wpa_supplicant not blacklist an AP for some reason? I feel that the AP is generating errors and wpa_supplicant is blacklisting it, and eventually I run out of APs I can reach and it just stops connecting
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2394[16:10:03] <darxmurf> Just because it's friday \o/ a guy a bit pissed off in an apple store in france is smashing everything with a pétanque ball :D
2395[16:10:06] <darxmurf> replaced-url
2396[16:10:23] <darxmurf> have a good week-end !
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2407[16:15:48] <aedinius> what's the security guard going to do? wand him into submission?
2408[16:16:20] <darxmurf> well, the guy tels him to stay
2409[16:16:26] <darxmurf> waiting for the cops
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2412[16:16:37] <darxmurf> there is another video where the guy try to run
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2414[16:17:38] <darxmurf> then the secu guard stops him and they start fight a bit
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2417[16:18:15] <darxmurf> apparently the guy killed for 50K Euros in the shop
2418[16:18:47] <th0r> darxmurf, and this belongs here because?
2419[16:18:58] <darxmurf> while smashing the hardware he is telling to the video that apple are not respecting consumer rules and rights, that's why he is smashing the store :D
2420[16:19:09] <darxmurf> nothing
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2422[16:19:33] <darxmurf> that's why I said "because it's friday"
2423[16:19:40] <darxmurf> so, sorry about that
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2425[16:21:11] <TomTomTo1> you are welcome to share your videos of angry frenchmen in #debian-offtopic , which incidentally is open all days of the week ^^
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2427[16:22:07] <stoned> huh
2428[16:22:42] <stoned> Mushrooms.
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2430[16:23:00] <stoned> French mushrooms with tea.
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2432[16:23:08] <TomTomTo1> no thanks.
2433[16:23:11] <stoned> :)
2434[16:23:21] <stoned> How's it going
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2438[16:23:53] <aedinius> ls -l
2439[16:23:59] <aedinius> ignore that.
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2443[16:24:16] <stoned> it's alright
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2446[16:24:31] <stoned> Sometimes I'm stoned and log into a wrong server and screw up an entire company for 1 hour.
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2448[16:24:40] <stoned> Just a wrong terminal window. It's cool
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2450[16:25:18] <stoned> There are times my debian system completely locks up, and freezes, and sysrq is also frozen
2451[16:25:21] <aedinius> stoned: drugs are bad mmkay
2452[16:25:23] <stoned> It happens randomly whenever
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2454[16:25:51] <stoned> aedinius: you are absolutely correct.
2455[16:25:52] <aedinius> Oh, I'm typing over super unreablie connection
2456[16:26:04] <Haxxa> I am running debian on a raspi equiv board but it takes too long - its going to display a simple local html page using ice wheasal - to make it boot faster what can I disable
2457[16:26:10] <Haxxa> i.e. networking etc.
2458[16:26:12] <aedinius> did a ctrl-a-space and it was like "blah blah NEW WINDOW"
2459[16:26:14] <stoned> replaced-url
2460[16:26:20] <stoned> It's an 9 year old core 2 desktop
2461[16:26:28] <stoned> Could it be age?
2462[16:26:33] <stoned> OS: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64/x86_64-Distro: Debian 8.6-CPU: 4 x Intel Core2 Quad (3775.147 MHz)-Processes: 651-Uptime: 1d 10h 5m-Users: 3-Load Average: 1.74-Memory Usage: 1195.59MB/8002.49MB (-469.33%)-Disk Usage: 3391.47GB/3734.40GB (90.82%)
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2464[16:27:08] <stoned> aedinius: on ssh?
2465[16:27:12] <aedinius> stoned: Doubt it. My secondary laptop is a Core2, about 7 yeras old
2466[16:27:13] <stoned> aedinius: enable ssh compression
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2468[16:27:19] <stoned> ssh -C
2469[16:27:22] <stoned> iirc
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2471[16:27:31] <stoned> And if you're on a slow connection, possibly look into free nx
2472[16:27:34] <stoned> the nx proxy
2473[16:27:35] <teraflops> stoned: yeah
2474[16:27:52] <stoned> hey tera
2475[16:27:54] <stoned> o/
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2477[16:28:30] <aedinius> nx?
2478[16:28:44] <stoned> It could be crapping out b/c I have a very old 8400gs in there in addition to the gtx 275
2479[16:28:48] <aedinius> using mosh now
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2481[16:28:57] <stoned> so in X, when I use anythign on 2nd/3rd monitors, the first monitors starts to lag
2482[16:29:03] <stoned> I think maybe this is why it could be freezing or crashing
2483[16:29:09] <stoned> for some reason, multi gpu is fucked.
2484[16:29:13] <stoned> dang nabbit
2485[16:29:14] <aedinius> ... nx seems to be graphical stuff.
2486[16:29:19] <stoned> is it?
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2488[16:29:22] <TomTomTo1> faulty hardware is hard to debug.
2489[16:29:24] <stoned> I thought you could proxy ssh over nx
2490[16:29:24] <aedinius> I'm logging into a raspi from across teh world from shitty wifi
2491[16:29:26] <stoned> I could be wrong
2492[16:29:35] <aedinius> why would i proxy ssh over it
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2494[16:29:41] <stoned> for caching
2495[16:29:43] <stoned> and speed
2496[16:29:45] <aedinius> mosh seems to be helping
2497[16:29:48] <stoned> word
2498[16:29:48] <aedinius> seems insecure
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2500[16:30:05] <stoned> anyway, ssh compression ought to help a bit
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2502[16:30:16] <aedinius> seems that nx works over ssh, not the other way around
2503[16:30:23] <stoned> Oh really
2504[16:30:25] <stoned> my memory is shoddy
2505[16:30:27] <stoned> my bad
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2507[16:30:51] <stoned> \o/ oh well.
2508[16:30:52] <stoned> Time to stone.
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2514[16:32:55] <jmcnaught> Haxxa: take a look at "systemd-analyze blame" output
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2516[16:34:13] <teraflops> systemd-analyze plot > plot.svg for a fancy graphic
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2623[17:17:25] <Gr33nH4t> help
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2653[17:27:05] <sergio__> hi
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2656[17:27:42] <hanshenrik> > Account creation failed: Due to an ongoing spam attack, this wiki is configured to not automatically create wiki accounts for some users. Please contact wiki@debian.org first if you wish to create an account, and describe what you want to do in the wiki..
2657[17:27:44] <hanshenrik> sigh
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2659[17:28:07] <DammitJim> if I want to use a domain user called backup on a debian machine that is joined to the domain
2660[17:28:29] <DammitJim> do I need to log on to the server first as that user, or can I just create a crontab for that user?
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2697[17:45:20] <hexadecimal> hello
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2699[17:45:57] <croddy> .ayp
2700[17:46:08] <debidi> hexadecimal: hell
2701[17:46:10] <debidi> o
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2752[18:09:42] <DammitJim> what should I set up on a cron job so that I can see what is being done?
2753[18:09:59] <DammitJim> I am trying to do automatic backups of mysql but the file it generates is empty
2754[18:10:01] <Cerebr0> Hi there ! I'm looking to apply a background on my gnome-terhminal (v3.14), it's not possible with the GUI, any ideas ?
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2770[18:13:29] <reber> hi all
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2772[18:13:47] <reber> do you know a tool to do service continuous integration test ?
2773[18:15:03] <duicker> Cerebr0: for some reason feature was removed replaced-url
2774[18:15:38] <duicker> i use gnome-terminal, but i use guake too, you can set a background in guake if you want
2775[18:15:42] <duicker> or downgrade your terminal
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2779[18:17:20] <hexadecimal> hello debidi
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2782[18:18:26] <Cerebr0> duicker: humm... 'kay, what is guake ? Another bash interface ?
2783[18:19:09] <duicker> its a dropdown terminal not windowed. hit f12 to quickly drop down a terminal, then again to send it away.
2784[18:19:15] <sh00p> reber: jenkins, hudson
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2786[18:20:31] <reber> sh00p, thanks. Is it for Java only ?
2787[18:21:10] <sh00p> reber: no you can specify your own build commands and parse the output manually
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2789[18:21:34] <sh00p> or rather, you write parsers and then jenkins does it for you :)
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2793[18:22:23] <sh00p> in my case we use cucumber along with maven (with c++ plugin)
2794[18:22:27] <reber> sh00p, perfect. Wich of them would you prefer : jenkins or hudson ?
2795[18:22:50] <sh00p> jenkins i think reber, i never try hudson but afaik jenkins is a fork of hudson cause hudson sold out or something
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2797[18:23:15] <sh00p> like libreoffice is a fork of openoffice
2798[18:23:19] <reber> sh00p, ok. perfect thanks. Could cucumber do the same ?
2799[18:23:38] <sh00p> reber: cucumber is not a continous integration environment, it's a testing framework
2800[18:23:49] <sh00p> for integration testing
2801[18:24:43] <reber> ok perfect. Any ruby tool like jenkins or hudson then ?
2802[18:24:54] <sh00p> but if you have multiple projects that need to integrate, and you test the integration with cucmber, then jenkins is the tools that tells you when things go good or bad
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2804[18:25:26] <sh00p> at least that's how we use it
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2806[18:25:59] <sh00p> running on debian servers of course :)
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2809[18:27:33] <reber> sh00p, cool ! it seems that there is a jenkins gem, i'll look at that. thanks a lood again :)
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2812[18:27:47] <reber> *a lot*
2813[18:27:50] <reber> :)
2814[18:27:53] <sh00p> np m8
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2822[18:30:47] <SaintMoriarty> How can I use a debian cd to boot from USB on a old computer?
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2827[18:31:46] <fguide> SaintMoriarty: you'd rather burn an .iso to an usb flash drive
2828[18:31:48] <roger`> you mean boot from usb ?
2829[18:32:00] <roger`> and by cd you mean image
2830[18:32:20] <SaintMoriarty> no
2831[18:32:29] <roger`> you can use dd on linux to copy image or rufus on windows
2832[18:32:47] <roger`> ok, like an usb cd device ?
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2834[18:32:58] <SaintMoriarty> i have a image i have put on a usb, my machine is too old to have a boot from usb in bios. wanted to use debian rescue to boot usb
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2836[18:33:16] <roger`> i see
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2839[18:33:32] <roger`> no idea for that though good luck
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2842[18:34:11] <roger`> burning image to disc ain't possible or your need write capabilities ?
2843[18:34:11] <sh00p> SaintMoriarty, your best bet is to go for an actual cdrom
2844[18:34:24] <sh00p> if your system cant boot usb
2845[18:34:25] <fguide> if you're able to, you could burn a cd with that image
2846[18:34:37] <SaintMoriarty> its a dvd image
2847[18:34:42] <SaintMoriarty> my system does not have dvd
2848[18:34:57] <roger`> mhh you can plug dvd drive
2849[18:35:12] <SaintMoriarty> your discovering the steps i went through lol
2850[18:35:12] <roger`> even from other machine
2851[18:35:39] <greycat> The standard netinst installation images are half the size of a CD (not a DVD).
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2853[18:36:05] <roger`> i dont think its about using a debian image
2854[18:36:28] <TomTomTo1> replaced-url
2855[18:36:32] <TomTomTo1> see 2.4
2856[18:36:37] <fguide> SaintMoriarty: if you can't boot through usb, I don't see much alternatives other than installing a ide/sata dvd/cd reader
2857[18:36:54] <roger`> yes
2858[18:37:00] <roger`> or ethernet boot
2859[18:37:04] <roger`> but that's far fetched
2860[18:37:09] <greycat> The last fallback is to move the hard drive to another machine of the same arch but less crippled, install on it, then move it back.
2861[18:37:20] <roger`> good idea greycat
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2864[18:37:35] <roger`> i moved my server install to another machine without any problem
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2869[18:38:40] <greycat> Ethernet booting for installations is a thing. I've never set it up myself, because it looks incredibly difficult.
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2871[18:38:50] <greycat> But apparently in some places it's all the rage.
2872[18:39:12] <fguide> yeah, pxe boot is a lot of trouble, requires a pxe server running
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2877[18:40:22] <xhuo> after trying to downgrade from testing to stable, my system is completely broken (a lot of packages were uninstalled), now i'm trying to reinstall everything, but i get this error when i do apt-get install -f replaced-url
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2880[18:41:06] <xhuo> i don't mind uninstalling open-vm-tools (i think this is related to vmware) but i'm not able to either
2881[18:41:29] <fguide> xhuo now we know you live in London ;)
2882[18:41:32] <greycat> xhuo: are you sure that's the right URL?
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2885[18:42:17] <xhuo> greycat: sorry it's replaced-url
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2888[18:42:40] <xhuo> greycat: i'm using the terminal for IRC so i cannot copy/paste
2889[18:42:46] <greycat> You aren't reinstalling. You're still trying to downgrade.
2890[18:42:59] <xhuo> greycat: right
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2892[18:43:19] <xhuo> greycat: i'm trying to get to a stable point without errors before reinstalling the plasma-desktop and xserver etc.
2893[18:44:10] <greycat> Purge everything that isn't part of the jessie core. Then MAYBE you have a prayer of it working, and maybe not.
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2896[18:44:24] <XATRIX> Hi guys, can you advice me what's wrong with my apt ?
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2900[18:44:38] <XATRIX> I'm doing apt-get, and get the following:
2901[18:44:44] <XATRIX> Get:1 replaced-url
2902[18:44:46] <XATRIX> E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found.
2903[18:44:48] <XATRIX> N: Is the package apt-transport-https installed?
2904[18:44:50] <petn-randall> SaintMoriarty: If your old laptop's BIOS can't boot from USB, you can't change much of that. So your options are either to burn a CD (it has a CD drive, right?), or you could take the HDD out, bootstrap Debian on there from another machine, and put it back in.
2905[18:45:12] <xhuo> greycat: but any apt-get command will give me an error because of this package so i'm not sure how to proceed
2906[18:45:17] <xhuo> greycat: what should i remove now?
2907[18:45:18] <SaintMoriarty> It has pxe boot option
2908[18:45:25] <greycat> XATRIX: Simple. Stop trying to use https.
2909[18:45:27] <missmbob> XATRIX: for https sources you need to install apt-transport-https ...or edit your sources
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2911[18:45:50] <greycat> xhuo: Purging can be done package by package with dpkg --purge
2912[18:46:26] <XATRIX> greycat: i don't have any
2913[18:46:35] <XATRIX> root@simmarket:~# grep -R /etc/apt https - gives me nothing
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2915[18:47:01] <xhuo> greycat: i get an error when trying to purge open-vm-tools; dpkg says that the package is in a "very bad inconsistent state" and needs to be reinstalled
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2917[18:47:11] <greycat> XATRIX: your grep command arguments are backwards
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2919[18:47:27] <XATRIX> greycat: sorry ?
2920[18:47:46] <greycat> XATRIX: grep -r https /etc/apt
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2922[18:48:05] <XATRIX> the same
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2928[18:50:04] <XATRIX> greycat: hey ?
2929[18:50:21] <xhuo> greycat: i also get an error /var/lib/dpkg/info/open-vm-tools.prerm: line 9: invoke-rc.d: command not ofund
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2931[18:50:41] <greycat> xhuo: Edit the prerm script by hand to force it to exit 0.
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2937[18:52:16] <xhuo> greycat: i move the /var/lib/dpkg/info/ files concerning open-vm-tools and it worked
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2940[18:52:50] <greycat> xhuo: If you haven't already been advised to wipe this system and reinstall fresh, let me be the first to officially offer that advice.
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2943[18:53:36] <xhuo> greycat: i'd love to try and salvage it, if only to learn more about debian
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2945[18:54:03] <xhuo> greycat: replaced-url
2946[18:54:35] <xhuo> greycat: should i try and remove all these jdk packages?
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2948[18:55:42] <xhuo> there is something weird about "mountpoint not found" in these errors and again update-rc.d: not found
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2950[18:56:50] <greycat> xhuo: well, among other things, it means your sysv-rc package is broken or missing, because that's what provides the /usr/sbin/update-rc.d program.
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2956[18:58:43] <Abduh> hello
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2962[18:59:31] <xhuo> greycat: thanks, i reinstalled this package and now i have less errors: replaced-url
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2966[19:02:37] <xhuo> greycat: any idea on what to do next?
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2974[19:04:41] <xhuo> greycat: the java command requires a mounted proc fs
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2977[19:04:54] <greycat> Why in the fuck is java on your system.
2978[19:05:12] <greycat> (Also why in the fuck is your /proc not mounted.)
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2986[19:08:09] <jrabbit> is there a reason theres no python3.5 backport?
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2988[19:08:35] <missmbob> because it's huge and difficult
2989[19:08:38] <greycat> !checkbackport python3.5
2990[19:08:43] <greycat> ,checkbackport python3.5
2991[19:08:44] <judd> Backporting package python3.5 in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
2992[19:08:56] <greycat> Meh. Maybe, maybe bot. Judd sometimes lies about checkbackport.
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2994[19:09:14] <greycat> Also I can't type today.
2995[19:09:18] <jrabbit> I mean its in testing :\
2996[19:09:30] <missmbob> what's that got to do with it?
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2998[19:10:14] <greycat> There are many packages where judd says "Oh sure, all build-deps satisfied, should work" and then you actually *try* it and you end up needing to upgrade tar or dpkg or something else from the core.
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3001[19:11:10] <greycat> If you need python 3.5 for your stable system, consider just building it from upstream sources instead.
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3004[19:12:21] <TomTomTo1> happened to me before when i didn't test the right source package. what judd said should be correct.
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3050[19:26:51] <xhuo> greycat: for some reason my system is mounted in read-only when i reboot it
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3052[19:27:03] <xhuo> greycat: then i did mount -o remount or something like that to remount it
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3054[19:27:12] <xhuo> greycat: but i guess it didn't remount proc
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3057[19:27:22] <xhuo> greycat: right now everything is read-only, i rebooted my system
3058[19:27:24] <greycat> Rebooting while the system is in a broken state is a very bad idea.
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3064[19:27:57] <xhuo> greycat: yes :( should i just try the remount command again?
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3067[19:29:27] <xhuo> greycat: the command i used earlier was mount -o remount /
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3071[19:30:34] <greycat> You will also want to mount /proc and /sys and whatever else is missing because of your half-broken boot.
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3075[19:31:04] <xhuo> greycat: so mount -o remount /proc?
3076[19:31:12] <xhuo> greycat: how do I know what is missing?
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3080[19:31:47] <greycat> Because if you are fucking around with a system at this level of brokenness, you need to know how the system is SUPPOSED to work.
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3085[19:32:54] <xhuo> greycat: i'm just messing around, if you don't want to help that is fine
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3090[19:33:21] <xhuo> i don't care if i break it further, this is just for fun
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3094[19:34:07] <lowin> you mount proc with mount -t proc proc /proc
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3098[19:34:54] <greycat> Or just "mount /proc" if fstab is correct.
3099[19:35:15] <xhuo> lowin: i think i did a mistake because i wrote mount -o remount /proc, so now i get proc is already mounted or /proc busy
3100[19:35:26] <xhuo> i guess i need to umount /proc and mount -o remount /
3101[19:35:44] <greycat> ... I'm done. *plonk*
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3104[19:35:49] <xhuo> umount /proc target is busy
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3106[19:35:53] <greycat> Christ.
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3109[19:36:07] <xhuo> greycat: np, you already helped a little, thanks
3110[19:36:08] <lowin> greycat, proc shouldn't be in fstab though. It should be handled by init system
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3114[19:36:27] <greycat> lowin: ah, ... damn. OK.
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3116[19:37:04] <greycat> I have proc in fstab on a squeeze box, but I guess it is no longer explicitly listed in jessie.
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3118[19:37:35] <greycat> I also have it on wheezy, but those were all upgraded systems....
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3121[19:37:52] <lowin> generally, the very first few things init will do is mounting proc and sysfs. it is done in initramfs before mounting real root
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3124[19:38:14] <xhuo> lowin: where can i see where this went wrong during the boot?
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3128[19:38:53] <lowin> xhuo, I have no idea what your problem is
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3133[19:39:07] <lowin> Could you repeat it
3134[19:39:19] <greycat> lowin: He tried to downgrade stretch to jessie, and it broke, and he rebooted multiple times while it was broken, and then he broke it some more.
3135[19:39:20] <xhuo> lowin: my system is completely broken after trying to downgrade from unstable/testing to stable
3136[19:39:30] <greycat> And then rebooted some more.
3137[19:39:33] <lowin> that's no good
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3139[19:39:38] <xhuo> lowin: lots of package were uninstalled, or are broken
3140[19:39:57] <xhuo> lowin: when i boot my system, the filesystem is mounted in read-only, i don't know why -- so i use mount -o remount /
3141[19:40:14] <xhuo> lowin: i don't have xserver nor plasma-desktop but the command line works fine
3142[19:40:20] <greycat> And he seems to think we will handhold him through some sort of easy step by step process to unbreak it.
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3144[19:41:26] <lowin> Well I don't think unbreaking is possible, short of replacing every package with the correct version. which is basically a manual reinstallation
3145[19:41:27] <xhuo> lowin: for instance, this is the current output of apt-get install -f replaced-url
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3147[19:41:47] <missmbob> givve up already. reinstall
3148[19:41:50] <xhuo> lowin: i'm ok doing this :)
3149[19:41:57] <xhuo> missmbob: where is the fun in that
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3151[19:42:29] <petn-randall> lowin: Except that on upgrade some packages update config or upgrade a database scheme. You'd have to manually take those steps back, too.
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3153[19:43:05] <lowin> Yeah the whole /etc probably needs to be cleaned and reconstructed
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3159[19:44:12] <lowin> xhou, So.. right now your problem is that root is read only?
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3162[19:44:40] <lowin> are you sure the system has booted into real root and not stuck in initramfs?
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3165[19:45:08] <lowin> although I guess if you can use apt, its on real root
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3174[19:48:39] <jaha885> Hi, i did install debian and manually created encrypted partitions, is there any way to boot system using single password instead of writing password for each partition?
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3185[19:51:51] <xhuo> lowin: basically when i boot i get a terminal where it's written (none) tty1
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3187[19:51:59] <xhuo> then (none) login:
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3189[19:52:11] <xhuo> lowin: here i can login either using root or using my normal user
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3195[19:52:59] <lowin> jaha885, You can use cryptsetup to add keyfiles as password to non-root partition. then add them to /etc/crypttab along with the keyfiles to automatically get them unlocked at boot
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3197[19:53:11] <somiaj> xhuo: cat /etc/hostname
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3199[19:53:47] <lowin> xhuo, try using apt to repair the packages. apt-get install -f
3200[19:53:51] <xhuo> somiaj: it's my normal username
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3202[19:54:08] <lowin> If bitches about any unimportant packages, remove it
3203[19:54:12] <somiaj> xhuo: what is the output of hostname?
3204[19:54:23] <xhuo> lowin: somiaj: this is the output of apt-get install -f replaced-url
3205[19:54:40] <xhuo> there is a problem with proc not being mounted apparently
3206[19:54:41] <somiaj> xhuo: though looks like you had other problems, I missed your previous conversation.
3207[19:55:04] <xhuo> somiaj: output of hostname is (none)
3208[19:55:08] <petn-randall> jaha885: Ideally you have single LUKS partition, and inside there is a PV you use for LVM.
3209[19:55:11] <lowin> xhuo, just remove java packages
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3212[19:55:27] <somiaj> ,v openjdk-7-jre-headless
3213[19:55:28] <judd> Package: openjdk-7-jre-headless on amd64 -- wheezy: 7u95-2.6.4-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 7u111-2.6.7-1~deb7u1; jessie: 7u111-2.6.7-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 7u111-2.6.7-1~deb8u1; experimental: 7u111-2.6.7-1
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3215[19:55:42] <petn-randall> jaha885: IIRC the boot script will try the password on all devices, so if you set the same password for all of them, you should only have to type it once.
3216[19:55:52] <somiaj> xhuo: ls /proc (is it not mounted? just mount it)
3217[19:55:57] <somiaj> xhuo: mount -t proc proc /proc
3218[19:56:24] <xhuo> somiaj: earlier i made a mistake and wrote mount -o remount /proc; so now when i type your command, i get that /proc is busy
3219[19:56:26] <jaha885> I did enter same password, but still i have to enter pw for each partition
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3221[19:56:54] <somiaj> xhuo: maybe reboot to clean up your mounts. Sure you can do it manually but sometimes a reboot is easier.
3222[19:56:59] <xhuo> somiaj: proc is already mounted or /proc busy
3223[19:57:00] <xhuo> ok brb
3224[19:57:01] <jaha885> Is there something i can do instead of reinstall
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3232[19:59:01] <xhuo> somiaj: ok i rebooted, so right now nothing is mounted (mounted as read-only)
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3234[19:59:15] <xhuo> somiaj: i logged in as root and the prompt says root@(none):
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3236[19:59:18] <lowin> jaha885, crypttab is your best option. man crypttab
3237[19:59:20] <somiaj> xhuo: not even proc? the output of mount should tell you if 'proc' is mounted
3238[19:59:37] <somiaj> xhuo: now try to mount proc if it is not mounted, 'mount -t proc proc /proc'
3239[19:59:50] <xhuo> somiaj: replaced-url
3240[20:00:03] <xhuo> somiaj: proc is mounted apparently
3241[20:00:17] <somiaj> xhuo: ls /proc (do you see files)
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3243[20:01:02] <xhuo> somiaj: some files with normal names and some files with numbers: replaced-url
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3245[20:01:20] <somiaj> xhuo: the numbers are directories of the process that are running with the pid
3246[20:01:32] <somiaj> xhuo: does apt-get -f install at least work now on that java package?
3247[20:01:33] <xhuo> somiaj: why is my main partition /dev/sda5 mounted as read-only?
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3249[20:01:54] <somiaj> xhuo: unsure, sometimes it does that if there is an issue and boots you into single user mode
3250[20:02:10] <xhuo> somiaj: dpkg: error: unable to access dpkg status area: Read-only file system
3251[20:02:20] <xhuo> somiaj: it doesn't even try the java packages because the system is read-only
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3254[20:02:46] <xhuo> somiaj: earlier what i had to do was: mount -o remount / to remount it in write mode
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3257[20:04:05] <xhuo> somiaj: here is the output of apt-get install -f right now: replaced-url
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3262[20:05:30] <xhuo> somiaj: so when i do mount -o remount / does that unmount /proc?
3263[20:05:37] <xhuo> somiaj: (i haven't done it for this reboot)
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3265[20:06:14] <Peasant65> hi! I got a question, is there a nice way to get debian stable to php7 ?
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3267[20:06:29] <somiaj> xhuo: it shouldn't.
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3269[20:06:48] <xhuo> somiaj: should I try?
3270[20:06:49] <somiaj> xhuo: do you want / to be read-only? Or is this somethig you just haven't figured out who make it not boot it as read only?
3271[20:06:51] <missmbob> Peasant65: not that's recommended. if you must you can use replaced-url
3272[20:07:02] <Peasant65> I´m quite new to debian (ubuntu user). I heard something about backports, could that be a sollution ?
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3275[20:07:11] <xhuo> somiaj: no i don't want it as read-only -- it's read-only ever since i broke my system
3276[20:07:16] <somiaj> xhuo: you have to mount it as read/write in order to do anything, so sure.
3277[20:07:23] <somiaj> xhuo: can you give us a copy of /etc/fstab?
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3279[20:07:48] <somiaj> Peasant65: there is no nice way to get php7 in debian jessie.
3280[20:08:24] <somiaj> Peasant65: there are basically two options. 1) /msg dpkg ssb and make your own backport. 2) dotdeb does have php7 packages, but we generally do not recommend dotdeb packages as they are of low quality and can cause other issues with your system.
3281[20:08:24] <Peasant65> alright, so what´s wrong with dotdeb ?
3282[20:08:28] <somiaj> !dotdeb
3283[20:08:28] <dpkg> replaced-url
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3285[20:08:42] <xhuo> somiaj: alright, so i did the remount: now here is the output of apt-get install -f: replaced-url
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3288[20:09:21] <xhuo> somiaj: is mountpoint some kind of command, which is maybe in a broken system package that I need to reinstall?
3289[20:09:23] <somiaj> Peasant65: nothing wrong persay, but we will not support dotdeb, their packages may interfeer with your system. And when you think about dist-upgrading to streetch when it is released, you should remove all third party repos (may packages) first -- but this won't be for a while.
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3292[20:10:05] <somiaj> xhuo: it is being mounted read-only because your file system is throwing some errors. Do you have a live/recovery system you could boot on an fsck your filesystem?
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3294[20:10:10] <Peasant65> And debian testing? How would you describe the stabillity of that ?
3295[20:10:14] <jaha885> How to correctly create encrypted partitions when installing system so i should use only one password to boot mashine?
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3297[20:10:22] <missmbob> Peasant65: never for production
3298[20:10:26] <xhuo> somiaj: yes I could do that
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3300[20:10:54] <Peasant65> missmbob, stable+dotdeb is better than testing ?
3301[20:10:55] <xhuo> somiaj: so should I stop everything now and do this? or is there something else I can try?
3302[20:10:56] <somiaj> xhuo: also check your logs, see if you can figure out why your file system is throwing an error.
3303[20:11:01] <missmbob> Peasant65: yes
3304[20:11:10] <somiaj> xhuo: if your file system has errors, I would suggest fixing that first.
3305[20:11:26] <xhuo> somiaj: i didn't find anything in dmesg; were else should I check the logs?
3306[20:11:42] <somiaj> Peasant65: testing has no security support, so not a good idea for a server. Also being new to debian, testing can be a bumpy ride if you aren't familar with the tools to debug/fix issues you run into.
3307[20:11:56] <somiaj> xhuo: try systemctl status (see if any of the units failed) and journctl
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3309[20:12:12] <xhuo> somiaj: systemctl command not found
3310[20:12:12] <Peasant65> alright, so I think i´m going the stable+dotdeb route then
3311[20:12:12] <somiaj> xhuo: journalctl
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3313[20:12:22] <somiaj> xhuo: this is debian jessie running systemd?
3314[20:12:26] <TomTomTo1> jaha885: you can configure luks to use a keyfile instead of a passphrase.
3315[20:12:33] <xhuo> somiaj: journalctl command not found
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3318[20:12:51] <somiaj> Peasant65: If you have trouble with the dotdeb packages, you need to use their support is the main issue with them.
3319[20:12:55] <Peasant65> somiaj, I´m indeed a complete noob in debian, but i have some years experience in ubuntu server.
3320[20:13:11] <xhuo> somiaj: not sure what system it is :) it was testing/unstable, then when I tried to downgrade to stable, a lot of packages were uinstalled
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3327[20:13:24] <Peasant65> I get that :) I won´t bother you guys with dotdeb issues
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3329[20:13:54] <somiaj> xhuo: if you are missing systemd and tried to downgrade (which isn't supported) you may be at a place you just need to backup/reinstall
3330[20:14:02] <somiaj> xhuo: probably the safest way to ensure you are running stable.
3331[20:14:03] <teraflops> downgrading sounds like lottery
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3333[20:14:06] <xhuo> somiaj: can't i try to reinstall systemd?
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3336[20:14:42] <xhuo> somiaj: i'm trying apt-get install systemd, this is installing some packages
3337[20:14:45] <somiaj> xhuo: at this point I don't think it is worth it. I think you may have other things that could creep in and cause issues since you attempted to downgrade from testing/unstable to stable. They hvae drifted apart such that it isn't worth it.
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3340[20:15:06] <xhuo> somiaj: journalctl works now
3341[20:15:18] <xhuo> somiaj: ok thanks for your input
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3343[20:15:33] <somiaj> xhuo: anyways, I gotta go. My suggestion is reinstall stable over downgrading (now that I know the situation you are in).
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3346[20:15:55] <xhuo> somiaj: np, thanks
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3361[20:20:12] <Anonymes> Hi
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3377[20:26:06] <xhuo> if someone is willing to take over, here is the current output of apt-get install -f: replaced-url
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3381[20:27:49] <xhuo> replaced-url
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3400[20:32:10] <xhuo> i'm going apt-get dist-upgrade, it's removing and downgrading a bunch of packages so this is good sign
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3404[20:32:47] <xhuo> lots of packages related to kde are being removed
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3412[20:34:51] <jak2000> how to know the size by directory?
3413[20:34:58] <greycat> du -s *
3414[20:35:00] <jak2000> du give me a large list
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3424[20:37:36] <digdilem> du -s * |more
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3426[20:38:07] <greycat> normally I'd prefer to let it go and use the terminal's scrolling, but I also configure my terminals to keep a long scrollback history
3427[20:38:13] <v3n0mbyt35_> Does anyone know how to upgrade to Kal Linux from Debian
3428[20:38:30] <greycat> v3n0mbyt35_: ask #kali-linux
3429[20:38:37] <v3n0mbyt35_> like migrating from Debian to Kali Linux
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3432[20:39:07] <v3n0mbyt35_> Can't join
3433[20:39:21] <greycat> Why not? Did they kickban you?
3434[20:39:26] <v3n0mbyt35_> It says you need to be identified with the services.
3435[20:39:34] <greycat> So identify with nickserv.
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3440[20:41:27] <v3n0mbyt35_> How to do that?
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3442[20:41:40] <greycat> /msg nickserv help or ask in #freenode
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3474[20:56:44] <jhutchins> !partiall downgrade
3475[20:56:53] <jhutchins> !partial downgrade
3476[20:56:53] <dpkg> This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>.
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3489[21:05:25] * WangDang_ says Hi
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3491[21:06:21] <Nadeem> Plz help I cannot login to gnome or other desktops, after boot it shows me ttt1
3492[21:06:50] <greycat> If you login on tty1 and run 'startx', does it work?
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3494[21:07:51] <Nadeem> Startx command says timeout in locking
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3497[21:08:47] <greycat> Googling... do you mean "timeout in locking authority file"?
3498[21:09:00] <Nadeem> I was installing updates and suddenly got black screen ,I did illegally shutdown, and now m having this issue
3499[21:09:42] <Nadeem> Yes greaycat but m not understanding
3500[21:09:48] <greycat> Are you on Raspbian?
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3504[21:10:15] <Nadeem> Raspbian means
3505[21:10:24] <WangDang_> I'm trying to figure out awk. I want to grab the MAC address of my eth0 interface. I've tried "ifconfig eth0 | grep HWaddr | awk '/HWadddr\ $*$$/ {print $1}'". I've also tried with "\1" at the end instead of "$1". Both just print out the empty string. Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
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3507[21:10:50] <Nadeem> I cNnot do apt - get update also
3508[21:10:55] <abrotman> there is a #awk
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3510[21:11:09] <teraflops> heh trying to figure awk
3511[21:11:30] <missmbob> WangDang_: ip link show eth0 | awk '/ether/ {print $2}'
3512[21:11:37] <Nadeem> Plz help
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3514[21:11:50] <abrotman> missmbob: took the fun out of it ..
3515[21:12:10] <teraflops> awk is... huge
3516[21:12:40] <greycat> The *most important* part of missmmbob's answer, of course, is that you don't use ifconfig at all.
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3518[21:13:24] <Nadeem> What to do now
3519[21:13:27] <troffasky> ifconfig is now illegal
3520[21:13:35] <greycat> Deprecated, not illegal.
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3522[21:13:45] <abrotman> greycat: that was my point about ruining the fun
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3524[21:14:14] <teraflops> hehe
3525[21:14:19] <abrotman> ifconfig has been deprecated for .. 10 years?
3526[21:14:28] <Nadeem> Is it becoz packages didn't installed correctly
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3528[21:14:42] <WangDang_> missmbob: that works! Still doesn't tell me why mine didn't
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3530[21:14:53] <Nadeem> What to do now??????)
3531[21:14:58] <teraflops> sorry my laugh is sane not meant to be offensive it's just Friday
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3536[21:16:20] <WangDang> Yeah, I use ip some of the time. I still don't understand it well so I often fall back on ifconfig
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3538[21:16:33] <Nadeem> was installing updates and suddenly got black screen ,I did illegally shutdown, and now I cNnot login into gnome or anything, I get tty1 after boot
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3540[21:16:55] <somiaj> Nadeem: you were able to boot into a console?
3541[21:17:12] <greycat> He still never gave a coherent answer to "Are you on Raspbian?"
3542[21:17:35] <Nadeem> I m on debian
3543[21:17:52] <greycat> What were you upgrading *from* and *to*? What "updates" were you applying?
3544[21:17:57] <Nadeem> I see only tyy1
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3546[21:18:11] <Nadeem> System updates
3547[21:18:21] <xhuo> my apt-get is now in a stable state; which packages should I reinstall to obtain the core of debian?
3548[21:18:25] <abrotman> Nadeem: which veresion of Linux are you running?
3549[21:18:36] <somiaj> !standard
3550[21:18:37] <dpkg> standard task is, like, a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>.
3551[21:18:39] <Nadeem> Debian 8.6
3552[21:18:40] <somiaj> xhuo: ^^
3553[21:19:28] <Nadeem> Linux 3.16.0.4
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3556[21:20:24] <Nadeem> Greycat: I was installing system updates
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3558[21:20:50] <greycat> Did the updates complete?
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3560[21:21:06] <troffasky> might be worth looking in /var/log/dpkg.log
3561[21:21:16] <abrotman> I think that's unknown, he suggested he forced a shutdown
3562[21:21:32] <greycat> (And the reason I asked you about raspbian was because the third google result for "startx timeout locking" was for Raspbian.)
3563[21:21:54] <Nadeem> I dont know , they were running I'n background, I watching video And suddenly black screen ,with os freesed
3564[21:22:19] <greycat> Probably worth trying "apt-get -f install" and/or "dpkg --configure -a" at this point.
3565[21:22:28] <Nadeem> I did
3566[21:22:33] <greycat> See if you can get the updates to finish.
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3571[21:26:21] <xhuo> somiaj: btw i tried the fsck on a live usb but it didn't find anything
3572[21:26:31] <WangDang> missmbob: I figured out why my script didn' t work. Your is better, of course. Thanks for the recipe
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3575[21:26:51] <xhuo> somiaj: i'll try to reboot now to see if it mounts correctly now after all the packages that were downgraded
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3583[21:29:28] <xhuo> somiaj: i rebooted my system and it mounted correctly!
3584[21:29:32] <xhuo> ,,standard
3585[21:29:34] <xhuo> ,standard
3586[21:29:53] <xhuo> somiaj: what is the standard stuff you linked me? can you link again please?
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3591[21:31:37] <WangDang> !standard
3592[21:31:37] <dpkg> methinks standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>.
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3595[21:32:15] <xhuo> WangDang: can I run it?
3596[21:32:19] <Nadeem> Greycat: on apt-update I get this error , the value stable is invalid
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3601[21:33:16] <Nadeem> I Also m not Able to connect to internet on it now
3602[21:33:21] <xhuo> !tasksel
3603[21:33:21] <dpkg> tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. replaced-url
3604[21:33:37] <xhuo> !standard task
3605[21:33:37] <dpkg> hmm... standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>.
3606[21:33:48] <greycat> ... /me STOPS himself before telling nadeem how to paste shit to the web with commands
3607[21:33:52] <Nadeem> Ping google.com shows host unknown
3608[21:34:21] <greycat> I don't know how to help you at this point. Every single thing about your system is broken and you can't even seem to report error messages to us.
3609[21:34:26] <xhuo> when running tasksel, should I install Debian desktop environment or just KDE (if I want KDE)
3610[21:35:07] <Nadeem> What to do now
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3613[21:35:54] <xhuo> i'll try just KDE we'll see :)
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3615[21:36:12] <Nadeem> Greycat: what should I do
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3617[21:36:32] <greycat> I don't know how to help you at this point. Every single thing about your system is broken and you can't even seem to report error messages to us.
3618[21:36:38] <troffasky> restore from backup
3619[21:36:58] <Nadeem> I didn't had taken
3620[21:37:03] <Nadeem> Backup
3621[21:37:08] <greycat> Should have been obvious.
3622[21:37:31] <Nadeem> I recently switched to debian
3623[21:37:40] <xhuo> Nadeem: what's your problem?
3624[21:37:55] <teraflops> not having backups
3625[21:38:14] <greycat> I doubt he had backups before switching to Debian either.
3626[21:38:18] <troffasky> reinstall then
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3628[21:38:55] <Nadeem> Xhuo: I was installing updates on my debian system, suddenly black screen I had to shutdown illegally
3629[21:39:08] <Nadeem> Xhuo: now I see only tty1
3630[21:39:34] <greycat> xhuo: But wait! There's more!
3631[21:39:43] <greycat> 15:33 Nadeem> I Also m not Able to connect to internet on it now
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3633[21:40:05] <xhuo> Nadeem: so are you know talking to us from another computer?
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3635[21:40:28] <xhuo> greycat: maybe he should connect through ethernet to fix his system?
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3637[21:41:03] <Nadeem> As I connect my cell to system using USB tethering, and I write ping Google.com I get unknown host
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3640[21:41:26] <xhuo> Nadeem: can you connect your computer through an ethernet cable?
3641[21:41:49] <Nadeem> Xhuo: then what
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3643[21:42:28] <xhuo> Nadeem: do you have internet now?
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3645[21:42:38] <Nadeem> Yes
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3647[21:42:42] <Nadeem> On cell
3648[21:42:56] <xhuo> Nadeem: what about on the computer?
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3650[21:43:24] <Nadeem> I have WiFi router but don't know how to connect using terminal
3651[21:43:45] <xhuo> Nadeem: do you have a cable? ethernet cable?
3652[21:43:50] <Nadeem> Nope
3653[21:44:03] <xhuo> Nadeem: so you connect directly your router to your computer using the cable
3654[21:44:12] <xhuo> Nadeem: ok that's too bad :(
3655[21:44:22] <xhuo> Nadeem: you can still probably connect to wifi using the terminal
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3658[21:46:47] <xhuo>
3659[21:46:48] <troffasky> do you use network manager? think you need nmtui or nm-tui or something
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3677[21:58:52] <xhuo> i am having the following issue with package libtwolame0 replaced-url
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3686[22:02:46] <tomnor> After a gameplay with tuxracer my screen is distorded, how to repaint the screen?
3687[22:03:07] <xhuo> is there a way to solve this package issue?
3688[22:03:08] <tomnor> other than systemctl restart gdm.service
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3690[22:03:51] <jhutchins> xhuo: You may have been thinking of nm-cli, but you don't need network manager.
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3693[22:04:23] <jhutchins> xhuo: There are a number of cli utilities to set the connection up, or you can use the interfaces file.
3694[22:04:51] <jhutchins> xhuo: nm is mainly useful if you use multiple networks.
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3696[22:05:26] <xhuo> jhutchins: ok i see
3697[22:05:49] <jhutchins> tomnor: I think that's what I'd do. You can try switching screens, but you usually need to restart X.
3698[22:05:57] <xhuo> jhutchins: do you have an idea about the issue with the libtwolame0 package? replaced-url
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3700[22:06:20] <jhutchins> xhuo: Nope
3701[22:06:34] <tomnor> by changing the wallpaper it fixes /that/ desktop but in a terminal for
3702[22:06:35] <tomnor> example it stays distorted
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3705[22:07:11] <tomnor> so I am thinking one should be able to repaint everything w/o restarting
3706[22:07:11] <tomnor> the server
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3710[22:07:50] <abrotman> tomnor: try another fullscreen app ?
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3712[22:08:33] <tomnor> what is a fullscreen app.. ahh, you mean other than tuxracer
3713[22:09:05] <tom99> tuxracer is a fullscreen app. what else would you need
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3718[22:09:52] <tomnor> abrotman: can you suggest another racing game?
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3720[22:10:57] <troffasky> how aboutr xrandr --auto ?
3721[22:11:18] <troffasky> might need some twearking if you've got a complex setup
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3727[22:13:38] <tomnor> troffasky: xrandr might be something to repaint/repair a display?
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3732[22:18:35] <troffasky> yeah that was the idea
3733[22:18:59] <troffasky> xrandr --auto by itself causes my display to blink once
3734[22:19:00] <xhuo> i was able to reinstall the packages for kde, but when i boot KDE, i obtain a debian background, with a terminal in the top left corner, and nothing at all on the desktop
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3752[22:26:47] <WangDang> I've another awk question. I'd like to put the "ip link show eth0 | awk '/ether/ {print $2}'" command in a script and I'd like the output of the command to be assigned to a variable in the script. When I try "ip ... | awk '/ether/ {MAC_ADDR=print $2}'" or "ip ... | awk '/ether/ {MAC_ADDR = $2}'" I get nothing. Is there a way I can get that mac address into a variable?
3753[22:27:03] <greycat> var=$(ip link show | awk '...')
3754[22:27:12] <greycat> replaced-url
3755[22:27:27] <WangDang> greycat: thanks
3756[22:27:42] <abrotman> there must be a #bash for questions like this ..
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3758[22:28:20] <greycat> Yes, that's actually a shell/bash question and not an awk question. Hence it being in the BashFAQ.
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3769[22:32:19] <tom99> yes i assigned a variable just the other day. I let a=3.
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3771[22:32:33] <tom99> First in my .profile and then in my .bashrc, to see which one would affect the next shell I created.
3772[22:32:38] <greycat> Congratulations.
3773[22:32:48] <tom99> There's probaby something going on with subshell inheritance
3774[22:32:55] <xhuo> i don't understand why my kde desktop is broken while apt-get says something is installed and up to date :(
3775[22:32:57] <tom99> because once I set a variable and typed bash it was still set
3776[22:33:02] <greycat> Of course the experiment would have been a little more interesting if you had assigned different values of a in each of those files.
3777[22:33:25] <greycat> If you type 'bash', that's not a subshell. But it would read .bashrc again.
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3779[22:33:47] <tom99> greycat: the actual question I had was why was .profile only affecting some shells that weren't interactive or login or something but .bashrc did.
3780[22:34:00] <greycat> That's what .bashrc is *for*.
3781[22:34:09] <xhuo> i was able to start plasma-desktop but everything seems broken, it doesn't even detect the wifi network
3782[22:34:20] <greycat> Every time you run a new interactive non-login shell, it reads .bashrc.
3783[22:34:32] <greycat> That's where you put the things that have to be recreated every time, like aliases.
3784[22:34:41] <tom99> The manual hinted as much greycat. Saying that interactive login shells read .bashrc. But man pages are shit so it didn't say it like that lol
3785[22:34:59] <greycat> No. Interactive login shells read ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bash_login or ~/.profile.
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3787[22:35:26] <tom99> interactive non-login, excuse me
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3789[22:35:44] <tom99> yeah so there's .profile, /etc/profile, then .bash_profile, .bash_login, and finally .bashrc
3790[22:35:52] <tom99> it's a little hard to keep them straight for me
3791[22:36:08] <tommd> I would like a vagrant/debian box that uses BTRFS (for testing/playing). Does this already exist?
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3793[22:36:19] <tom99> What is the definition of a login shell anyway, the first one you get?
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3795[22:36:27] <tomnor> troffasky: thanks, I will try xrandr next time I have the problem
3796[22:36:29] <greycat> Put aliases, functions, sets and shopts in ~/.bashrc. Put environment variables in your login file, which depends on HOW you login.
3797[22:36:29] <tommd> Or rather: does anyone here know of such a system? I've googled some and will keep looking myself.
3798[22:36:52] <greycat> tom99: man bash, INVOCATION section.
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3800[22:37:22] <greycat> tom99: The part that you won't get from this man page is WHEN the magic '-' is given. It's given by login(1).
3801[22:37:29] <tom99> greycat: I A login shell is one whose first character of argument zero is a -, or one started with the --login option.
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3803[22:38:04] <tom99> "The login program is used to establish a new session with the system"
3804[22:38:04] <greycat> It's also given by sshd(8) under the right conditions.
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3808[22:38:36] <tom99> is argument zero a pedantic way of saying the program's name?
3809[22:38:44] <greycat> It is argv[0] in C.
3810[22:38:52] <tom99> right. tat's the program name
3811[22:38:58] <greycat> It is the name of the program AS STATED by the parent who created it.
3812[22:39:12] <greycat> login runs your shell with a '-' character prefixed to it.
3813[22:39:13] <tom99> oh like the parent process?
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3815[22:39:44] <greycat> If you login on a text console and type ps -fp $$ you will see it.
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3817[22:40:00] <tom99> I mean that's like saying a tire is affixed to the first vehicle one gets into in the morning to go to work, instead of saying a tire goes on your car
3818[22:40:35] <greycat> login runs /bin/bash but it runs it with argv[0] = "-bash" as you will see if you actually run the experiment.
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3820[22:40:53] <greycat> This tells bash that it is a login shell and should read /etc/profile and so on.
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3822[22:41:12] <greycat> Ancient Unix hackery.
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3824[22:42:02] <xhuo> i am having an issue when trying to install acpi-support replaced-url
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3826[22:42:48] <missmbob> xhuo: you're still rambling...why?
3827[22:42:49] <jhutchins> xhuo: Please summarize the problem rather than just posting a paste.
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3829[22:43:35] <greycat> On the other hand, when you launch a new xterm from your window manager, /bin/bash (from $SHELL) is run *without* a leading '-' in argv[0]. This tells bash that it is NOT a login shell, so it only reads /etc/bash.bashrc (a Debian extension) and ~/.bashrc
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3833[22:44:43] <greycat> Environment variables are inherited from the terminal, which inherited them from the window manager, which inherited them from the login profiles, so those don't need to be repeated. .bashrc lets you recreate the aliases, functions, and so on.
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3835[22:45:59] <xhuo> jhutchins: my system was in a messed up state (still is) after a failed downgrade; i think i may be missing some important packages because when i boot in kde plasma, the desktop is all messed up (no window header, etc.)
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3838[22:46:23] <xhuo> jhutchins: the wifi is not detected at all by network manager
3839[22:46:24] <greycat> replaced-url
3840[22:46:51] <xhuo> jhutchins: so i am trying to see which packages i am missing: for instance i get dependency errors when trying to install acpi-support
3841[22:47:09] <abrotman> xhuo: you might want to try aptitude
3842[22:47:56] <unborn> jhutchins: he did summaries at the best his issue - to paste bin. debian can is in this case like - dont you dear ask us till you have a prove... aka - show me and I will deal with it.. story...its been long time - since 2007.. you will have even folks who will apologise before the question..
3843[22:47:56] <jhutchins> xhuo: You have already spent more time than a reinstall would take.
3844[22:48:16] <jhutchins> xhuo: Do you understand now why we nag people to make backups?
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3847[22:49:07] <jhutchins> xhuo: Dependency errors mean you still have mixed versions of some packages.
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3850[22:49:56] <xhuo> jhutchins: it's not about backups, what do you think i don't have one? i don't mind reinstalling, i have full backups, and even now i have access to the file system, i am just having fun here... it's not wasted time imo
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3853[22:50:33] <unborn> ..and thats why people avoiding debian it self - the most best os on a world
3854[22:50:38] <jhutchins> xhuo: Did you try the procedure suggested by /msg dpkg partial downgrade?
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3856[22:51:49] <xhuo> jhutchins: no i will try, but how do i know the right versions?
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3862[22:52:52] <xhuo> abrotman: aptitude suggests to remove a bunch of kde packages to solve the problem with package libtwolame0
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3865[22:53:36] <abrotman> xhuo: apt-cache policy libtwolame0
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3867[22:54:41] <ospwk>
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3870[22:55:19] <xhuo> abrotman: replaced-url
3871[22:56:06] <xhuo> abrotman: sorry but i cannot link it from here, but it's the first result on google when searching bug debian libtwolame0 multiarch
3872[22:56:25] <teraflops> sorry I have to say it. xhuo you could have installed debian 3 times in the time you've here with your issue
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3875[22:57:04] <xhuo> teraflops: yep, i even have the live usb ready to do it
3876[22:57:35] <missmbob> i'll never understand why people install with live
3877[22:57:43] <zykotick9> missmbob: +1
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3879[22:58:22] <troffasky> i guess you'll never know
3880[22:58:43] <xhuo> missmbob: i wanted the live boot to chroot into my system and reinstall the kernel, because i had accidentally removed the linux kernel
3881[22:59:01] <teraflops> xhuo: and please dont's say all of it is becasue you want to learn
3882[22:59:29] <xhuo> teraflops: what's the reason then?
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3884[23:00:53] <teraflops> idk it's just a waste of time for all the people involved, and please don't take it bad it's just I've been here a lot of time
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3886[23:01:47] <xhuo> teraflops: it's ok i understand
3887[23:02:06] <teraflops> xhuo: no offense intended
3888[23:02:11] <xhuo> if noone wants to help i accept it, move on, and reinstall, it's not really a problem
3889[23:02:35] <xhuo> but i am grateful for all the help i have already received, the system is now in much better shape than when it has no kernel anymore
3890[23:02:49] <xhuo> you could see it as a personal challenge
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3894[23:05:39] <xhuo> oh i purged the package and did apt-get install -f, it's fixing stuff now
3895[23:05:55] <xhuo> wow many packages were not configured because of this one
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3900[23:09:31] <abrotman> xhuo: sorry, I"m still at work, got distracted
3901[23:09:36] <abrotman> well, I mean, it's my work :)
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3903[23:10:06] <abrotman> xhuo: i'd probably let the lame package get removed, and install it again later
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3905[23:10:30] <xhuo> abrotman: everything got solved when i purged the package with dpkg
3906[23:10:42] <abrotman> see :)
3907[23:10:52] <xhuo> now i did apt-get install -f and all the packages were configured
3908[23:11:02] <greycat> 12:44 greycat> Purge everything that isn't part of the jessie core. Then MAYBE you have a prayer of it working, and maybe not.
3909[23:11:04] <xhuo> i am restarted the plasma desktop and everything looks nice
3910[23:11:09] <greycat> Four and a half HOURS.
3911[23:11:18] <greycat> You can see why I have him on /ignore.
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3917[23:12:19] <xhuo> greycat: i also had diner :)
3918[23:12:32] <xhuo> that was a nice evening, sorry if i bothered anyone
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3920[23:14:05] <abrotman> oh sure .. he eats .. we're all here worried, I saw one fellow crying
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3924[23:15:32] <xhuo> :)
3925[23:15:50] <xhuo> thanks to everyone who helped!
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3934[23:17:25] <WormFood> what's the "best" torrent client in debian stable? And by "best", I mean something that can handle 1500 torrents, without fucking me.
3935[23:17:31] <kuleszdl> Hi...for editing the DebianWiki, can I just register or is it for "special" people? :)
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3938[23:17:57] <greycat> how 2 find a torrent client that will fuck me?
3939[23:18:08] <zykotick9> hehe
3940[23:19:19] <greycat> kuleszdl: I'm not special, and they let me edit it, but I registered so long ago that the vetting process may be completely different now. Try it and see?
3941[23:19:48] <TomTomTosch> kuleszdl: it sometimes denies new registrations, in which case instructions are provided on how to proceed.
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3944[23:21:06] <kuleszdl> well, it allowed me to register but I could not login, nor did I get any email
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3977[23:38:59] <troffasky> perhaps you don't meet the noteworthiness guidelines ;-)
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4005[23:54:11] <d3lphi> hi all. I am on a Debian Jessie 8.3 64bit VM an did run "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade". I did see that a new linux-image were installed, new initrd created, and of course a lots of packages upgraded. Now after rebooting I see following error messages:
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4008[23:54:42] <d3lphi> "[FAILED] Failed to start LSB: NFS support files common to client and server. See 'systemctl status nfs-common.service' for details." and "[FAILED] Failed to start System Logging Service. See 'systemctl status rsyslog.service' for details."
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4010[23:55:34] <d3lphi> "[FAILED] Failed to start The PHP FastCGI Process Manager.See 'systemctl status php5-fpm.service' for details." and "[FAILED] Failed to start Login Service.See 'systemctl status systemd-logind.service' for details." I do not get any login prompt any more :( and I also cannot login through SSH anymore. What happened here? any help appreciated
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