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1[00:00:22] <emax> I hear the people behind "the debian" are a dude named Iam, and a lady named Deborah
2[00:00:32] <unborn> awal1: sorry dont speak Spanish - well bless you :D
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4[00:00:49] <awal1> unborn, no worries :)
5[00:00:50] <emax> ...deb...ian
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10[00:01:45] <unborn> emax: - most of them are gone.. deborah? aint seen her signature in repos for about 9 years..
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13[00:02:27] <awal1> just out of curiosity, deborah has contributed to debian project too as Ian hae done?
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19[00:02:53] <awal1> I mean active development of software
20[00:03:08] <unborn> or even more.. so we are here and perfect os.. but yet we are not allowed to speak freely as debian was designed - yet debian should be top free.. so who are those people to manage it?
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22[00:03:24] <unborn> has or was..
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25[00:04:02] <unborn> we are share all goodness awal1 but who it is behind it right now?
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27[00:04:14] <unborn> wikis does not even tell you..
28[00:04:15] <jelly> unborn: replaced-url
29[00:04:19] <zykotick9> unborn: it might interest you, that each year a DPL (debian project lead) is elected... if you're looking for "the person in charge" <- or at least the public face of that ;)
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33[00:04:53] <awal1> unborn, the hundreds of DD & maintainers so
34[00:05:00] <awal1> and the whole community
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36[00:05:04] <unborn> zykotick9: face of what? I understand how it works.. im asking about list of those..
37[00:05:08] <awal1> and also the end users
38[00:05:26] <unborn> awal1: ah I see.
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41[00:05:38] <awal1> I believe the most important part is the end users
42[00:05:49] <unborn> jelly: some but not clear and not all..
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44[00:05:54] <teraflops> debconfs for fun and profit around the world too
45[00:06:00] <unborn> jelly: whys that?
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48[00:06:53] <jelly> unborn: how do you know it's not all?
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51[00:07:22] <awal1> following some mailing lists and news I deduced that some DD's affiliated to canonical have a lot of influence in debian
52[00:07:24] <jelly> I did not verify whether the lists are exhaustive, but see no reason why they wouldn't be
53[00:07:28] <awal1> I dont like that :P
54[00:07:33] <unborn> best os on world and some fundamental thing is wrong.. jelly that is exactly thing I am asking.. how one know its all or not? there is no clear answer
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59[00:08:22] <unborn> means - no one knows who is really elected or who is behind..
60[00:08:22] <jelly> unborn: why would it be wrong?
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62[00:08:49] <unborn> jelly: if you answer my question - I would be able to answer yours
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65[00:09:17] <jelly> unborn: uh, do you want the "complete list" or do you want "who is elected". There are different links for both, on that page
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67[00:10:07] <unborn> jelly: is it possible to have one official updated list on one debian website page? so its clear to anyone else too?
68[00:10:36] <jelly> unborn: click on "Debian Organization" for the officers. Click on "list of Debian Developers" and "list of Debian Maintainers" to see the active contributors.
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70[00:11:03] <jelly> unborn: afaik this IS official.
71[00:11:22] <jelly> unborn: what do you find unclear?
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74[00:12:02] <unborn> contributors are those who does maintain the packages.. I am looking for those who releasing the distro so I can ask about policies here on irc or other stuff out there or here
75[00:12:11] <stoned> If you are looking for an answer, you will not find it. First you must stop looking and searching.
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80[00:12:42] <jelly> unborn: that's the release team
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82[00:12:56] <tobiasBora> Hello,
83[00:13:15] <stoned> Secondly, a description from us isn't going to be an answer, it is only ever going to be a description. and if you observe what debian is through our eyes, you'll be seeing through that and not really observing it yourself, so there is no real knowing in this.
84[00:13:15] <unborn> stoned: that was briliant answer.. cleared everything.. so it does answer my questions about irc or other stuff.. - thank you.
85[00:13:24] <stoned> That's the conditionoing.
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87[00:13:31] <stoned> when you want an answer you think you'll go and ask othes
88[00:13:37] <tobiasBora> I would like to know if it is possible to listen (on network) on all ports available.
89[00:13:38] <stoned> Instead of looking for yourself, or anything.
90[00:13:51] <stoned> When we need ansewrs, we alwyas turn to others, instead of doing our own work
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93[00:14:00] <stoned> That's killing us.
94[00:14:01] <stoned> Anyway.
95[00:14:28] <jelly> there's the language barrier to be accounted for
96[00:14:35] <stoned> *nod*
97[00:14:45] <stoned> Prudent to reach clarity and speak well.
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99[00:15:29] <unborn> jelly: you think I am an idiot, perhaps you are not alone. some things will change and some things will never change. I think we will never speak again. no offence.
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102[00:15:51] <stoned> unborn: unattach yourself from sentimentality.
103[00:16:00] <stoned> Sentimentality breeds jealousy, violence, brutality, negativyt and all th erest.
104[00:16:05] <stoned> Let go. Be in peace
105[00:16:07] <unborn> stoned: sure.. sorry about.
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107[00:16:34] <jelly> unborn: I think your communication skills could be improved
108[00:16:48] <stoned> Sound advice for us all. We all need improvements.
109[00:17:17] <at0m> tobiasBora: look for "promiscuous mode" on the network adapter
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113[00:18:06] <jelly> unborn: I'll take a wild guess you want to find out who's in charge of irc channel policies and the way they get applied, because I kicked and banned you from #d-offtopic.
114[00:18:09] <stoned> tobiasBora: are you going to inject any packets while in listening mode?
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116[00:19:04] <jelly> unborn: if that's true, the people you're looking for are in #debian-ops channel. You can state any questions about the ban there.
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122[00:20:25] <stoned> unborn: the proper thing to do is this. Do your time. Then go back, apologize, try and do inwardly and see what is causing said behavior on your part and then come on back. People are quite understanding and kind.
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127[00:22:39] <stoned> unborn: read some Sartre and Emerson maybe. :) It will help to see things clearly. Maybe.
128[00:22:43] <tobiasBora> stoned: I'm not sure what you mean by inject, but in the idea I would like to do a kind of gateway : I would like to get packets from the Internet and re-send them through the Tor network.
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130[00:23:01] <stoned> right, injection while listening, unless you have two sep. nic
131[00:23:17] <stoned> Your nic driver kernel moduel would need to support injection whlie in prom. mode
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133[00:23:23] <stoned> Not all do that.
134[00:23:25] <jelly> tobiasBora: that's called a "router"
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138[00:24:26] <stoned> so kind of like a TAILS distro thing?
139[00:24:33] <stoned> Pipe all your network traffic through tor? what's the goal
140[00:25:13] <jelly> tobiasBora: what would be the destination for these packets? unchanged?
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142[00:25:26] <jelly> (ignoring their path for a moment)
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149[00:27:40] <tobiasBora> stoned: If you know tor2web, I would like to implement the same thing, but for any service (not only on port 80)
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153[00:28:24] <stoned> WARNING: Tor2web only protects publishers, not readers.
154[00:28:30] <stoned> Reason why you want this?
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160[00:29:00] <jelly> ,pciid 1957:c006
161[00:29:01] <judd> [1957:c006] is 'MPC8308' from 'Freescale Semiconductor Inc' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also replaced-url
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163[00:29:21] <tobiasBora> jelly: I would like to forward it in a socks5 proxy, the one opened by tor
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167[00:29:49] <jelly> tobiasBora: forward it to _where_?
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169[00:30:56] <emax> can't you send a command while initiating an ssh connecion? like ssh emax@supersecretserver [command]?
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171[00:31:20] <cdown> emax: That works, what's wrong with it?
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174[00:31:56] <jelly> tobiasBora: in any case, you should ask in ##networking and refine this idea with them. It does not sound like anything debian or even linux specific at this point
175[00:32:18] <tobiasBora> stoned: I would like to be able to join a ssh client under a Tor Hidden Service (very practical, for example I can join my mobile phone with ssh only with the .onion adress)
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177[00:32:48] <tobiasBora> stoned: The problem is that I would like to be able to do it even if the client doesn't have Tor installed.
178[00:33:02] <emax> you're right cdown, it does. I wanted to build on that, to get a script to run
179[00:33:15] <tobiasBora> so I would like to do something like "ssh me@xxxxxx.onion.mydomain.com"
180[00:33:37] <emax> oh la la
181[00:33:37] <cdown> emax: you can pipe it into ssh and run your shell. (warning: if not all data is transferred, Bad Things(tm) may happen)
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183[00:33:56] <tobiasBora> so that "client --> mydomain.com --> (Tor .onion) --> mobile phone"
184[00:35:39] <emax> cdown, you were right on bad things happening hahaha
185[00:36:06] <tobiasBora> jelly: I will do that, thank you !
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204[00:46:08] <awal1> why Enter works in tty's but not in any DM I have tried ?
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206[00:46:38] <awal1> also, why it works for some terminal emulators & some apps but not for others?
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208[00:47:06] <awal1> I meant all that when NumLock is off ^
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211[00:49:03] <v3n0m> so it's completed
212[00:49:07] <v3n0m> the download is
213[00:49:16] <v3n0m> which tool should I use for writing it into usb?
214[00:50:07] <awal1> Also, why external monitor are usually auto-detected in tty's but not in X?
215[00:50:19] <awal1> external monitors ^
216[00:50:35] <stoned> you have to configure them
217[00:50:40] <stoned> awal1: try xrandr -q
218[00:50:42] <stoned> see what shows up
219[00:50:55] <stoned> it could be detected but turned off
220[00:50:58] <awal1> stoned, yeah Iknow how to configure that
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222[00:51:20] <stoned> the reason is that all tty will be the same on all monitors
223[00:51:21] <v3n0m> awal
224[00:51:26] <awal1> my question is why in console (tty's) no config is needed usually but yes in X
225[00:51:33] <v3n0m> which tool should I use for making usb bootable
226[00:51:42] <stoned> as for X, xorg.conf doesn't auto detect or start multiple monitors sometimes
227[00:51:52] <technologov> hi all ! I have a semi-dumb question: Is it possible to use FAT32 FS for DVD Data ? (instead of ISO9660 or UDF). Will it be readable by various OSes afterwards ?
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229[00:52:10] <stoned> technologov: almost all os can already read iso9660
230[00:52:43] <stoned> technologov: you can extract the dvd iso to a fat32 file system, sure. But what are you tryign to do?
231[00:52:57] <technologov> Basically my question is: We do we need special FS for DVD, instead of using standard FS (FAT32/ NTFS/ ext4/ Btrfs/...) ?
232[00:53:08] <technologov> Why do we need*
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235[00:54:04] <technologov> for example floppy and microSD cards use standard FS (FAT12, FAT32, exFAT, ...), and can be formatted to ext4, if someone really wants to.
236[00:54:13] <technologov> Why special FS for DVDs ?
237[00:54:16] <awal1> stoned, i'm aware about that, my doubt/what I wanna understand is the technical side: why nothing is shown in the external monitor when in grub stage/step, then linux (kernel) boot process is shown in the extra monitor, so it detects it, but again X needs further configsdetects ,
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239[00:54:56] <awal1> - detects ^:P
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243[00:57:14] <awal1> also for Enter touch of the numerical keyboard: if NumLock is off Enter touch (numerical keyboard) works in grub and tty's but not in X
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250[00:59:17] <awal1> for example it works in guake terminal but not in cmus
251[00:59:46] <awal1> Enter touch, when numlock is off ^
252[01:00:26] <v3n0m> what should I use for creating bootable usb for the dvd1 debian
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256[01:01:10] <awal1> v3n0m, if your usb key have enough space for that dvd image just run:
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260[01:01:58] <v3n0m> yeah
261[01:01:59] <v3n0m> it has
262[01:02:02] <awal1> cp /pathTo/your/dvdImage path/to/your/usb : sync
263[01:02:18] <awal1> cp /pathTo/your/dvdImage path/to/your/usb ; sync
264[01:02:32] <awal1> ; not :
265[01:03:20] <v3n0m> okay
266[01:03:29] <v3n0m> but the parrot os does not give me option to format it
267[01:03:33] <v3n0m> format the usb
268[01:03:42] <awal1> example: cp /home/Downloads/debian-8 /dev/sdb1 ; sync
269[01:04:01] <zykotick9> awal1: NO partition number
270[01:04:24] <awal1> sdbX :)
271[01:04:45] <awal1> vn3n0m, find out what is your usb exactly
272[01:04:45] <zykotick9> no X thogh, for an image you want the whole drive sdb
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275[01:05:19] <awal1> X i eant undefined
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278[01:05:31] <awal1> he may have other usb's connected :P
279[01:05:39] <awal1> mean ^
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281[01:07:02] <technologov> how to analyze ISO images ? (ISO level 1/2/3, UDF version, etc...)
282[01:07:13] <awal1> zykotick9, but I understadn what you meant :)
283[01:07:19] <technologov> I can't seem to find the right tools in cdrkit
284[01:08:09] <awal1> parrot os?
285[01:08:19] <awal1> dpkg: what is parrot
286[01:08:19] <dpkg> hmm... parrot is the image displayed from the ipaq's default bootloader see replaced-url
287[01:08:54] <awal1> ok
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294[01:10:38] <awal1> parrot os, something like kali
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384[01:58:11] <ceon> debian hates ,me seems
385[01:58:20] <ceon> xrandr also ...
386[01:58:58] <ceon> I love mine Debian - but as soon I reboot - I use a KVM with another Workstation
387[01:59:12] <ceon> mine displays fuck real up
388[01:59:25] <ceon> and by the way I got a Nvidia Quadro
389[02:00:37] <ceon> very interessting
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392[02:01:09] <ceon> If I want to post some chubby charm ins linux
393[02:01:17] <ceon> or security I get blocked
394[02:01:31] <ceon> I know I am special
395[02:01:47] <ceon> sorry I got an Aspergersyndrom
396[02:01:55] <ceon> It is new to myself
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398[02:02:10] <ceon> Sorry that I can write miles of text
399[02:02:23] <ceon> I love debian
400[02:02:59] <ceon> and now I hope i can get to work history
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402[02:03:05] <ceon> and screen
403[02:03:18] <ceon> I surf kind of debian 8
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487[02:58:43] <rsarson> th0r; well, some progress... i removed the offending xml from /usr/share/mime/packages and my custom mime type now works. still not sure why local doesn't override global. one other person on the entire internet had the same problem after an ubuntu upgrade, but she was not answered. anyway, i'll take this workaround for now. thanks again for humouring me today.
488[02:59:19] <th0r> rsarson, no problem, glad you got it working
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552[03:41:46] <Tekk_> Hey, anyone know of a workaround for the proprietary amd drivers not building on stretch? I assume this is why the package is in non-free
553[03:42:03] <Tekk_> But it kinda sucks when I don't have audio on my desktop because radeon/amdgpu doesn't seem to do hdmi audio
554[03:42:07] <tx> The package is non free because they are not openly licensed by AMD.
555[03:42:21] <Tekk_> tx: I actually typod
556[03:42:25] <Tekk_> it *isn't* in non-free
557[03:42:38] <tx> ohh
558[03:42:44] <tx> so it's nowhere at all? :P
559[03:42:53] <tx> You will find that in testing packages might not be there at all.
560[03:42:54] <Tekk_> Precisely
561[03:42:58] <Tekk_> Yeah, I know
562[03:43:00] <tx> is it in sid?
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564[03:43:13] <Tekk_> That I haven't checked yet, sec
565[03:43:27] <Tekk_> Nope
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567[03:43:50] <Tekk_> The issue is, I think, that the driver is incompatible with the kernel in testing
568[03:43:53] <Tekk_> the module fails to build
569[03:44:09] <tx> ah
570[03:44:16] <tx> Got all of the kernel sources and whatnot?
571[03:44:23] <Tekk_> yep
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573[03:44:31] <Tekk_> A define changed, from what I could tell searching
574[03:44:40] <Tekk_> and one the kernel shim uses doesn't exist
575[03:44:47] <tx> Damn
576[03:44:54] <tx> Well, I suppose you could try using the one on AMD's site.
577[03:44:54] <Tekk_> And it certainly doesn't help that AMD hasn't actually bothered to release a driver in...
578[03:45:08] <Tekk_> Yeah, that's what I tried and got the error
579[03:45:12] <Tekk_> which is why I assume there's no package
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582[03:45:31] <Tekk_> Yeah, last time AMD bothered releasing a driver was december 18th
583[03:45:38] <Tekk_> They haven't released a beta since like 14.9
584[03:45:42] <Tekk_> (the latest stable is 15.12)
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590[03:46:44] <tx> didja follow the guide here? replaced-url
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596[03:47:51] <Tekk_> Hmm..
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598[03:47:59] <Tekk_> Actually
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600[03:48:09] <Tekk_> I think AMD may have just straight-up dropped support for fglrx
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602[03:48:34] <Tekk_> I'm seeing news stories about how amd refused to support ubuntu 16.04 and such
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614[03:50:59] <vyadhaka> when installing debain on one disk with LVM, can I set the whole disk as a PV, or do I have to create a partition table and use a partition?
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616[03:51:57] <RoyK> vyadhaka: I beleive grub supports booting from LVM, so yes, it should work well
617[03:52:04] <RoyK> vyadhaka: not sure, though
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619[03:53:06] <RoyK> believe, even
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621[03:53:31] <vyadhaka> i guess I will have to test it
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659[04:30:32] <aedinius> I'm not sure what's going on -- I have a VM using qemu-kvm. I connect to it via spice (using spicy). Same VM on desktop works fine. On my laptop, I get a blank screen and nothing else as soon as spice service on the VM is initialized
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663[04:31:09] <aedinius> Both desktop and laptop are setup identical afaik, not sure what the difference is
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671[04:34:27] <aedinius> I think it might be related to the video on my laptop being intel, since it shows the same problem over ssh
672[04:37:51] <aedinius> And doing it in reverse. I can display it on my desktop when its running on my laptop
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674[04:38:13] <aedinius> So it definitely seems to be a problem with just display on the intel. Any suggestions?
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697[04:53:48] <mapm> hello
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704[04:55:10] <mapm> I need to use the integrated camera of a lenovo thinkpad x11 carbon, using debian 8.3, and I don't know how to start. I installed Cheese but when I start it it says "No device found". What should I do? I have no idea of kernel modules etc.
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709[04:55:43] <mapm> I also looked it up in internet but I can not find a good answer
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739[05:10:28] <iamawesome> Hi, Why did i get this message at the end of installation, what should i do? Current status: 0 broken [-1].
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742[05:12:54] <dvs> iamawesome, it means that a broken package was fixed.
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744[05:13:58] <iamawesome> How can i know which the broken package is?
745[05:14:10] <iamawesome> What does Current status: 0 mean?
746[05:14:19] <dvs> 0 broken
747[05:14:39] <pingfloyd> iamawesome: what's the rest of the output?
748[05:14:50] <iamawesome> Current status: 0 broken [-1]. , it was the last line
749[05:15:10] <pingfloyd> what's the rest of your output from apt-get or aptitute?
750[05:15:17] <iamawesome> dvs: What is [-1] ?
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752[05:15:31] <dvs> iamawesome, it fixed one package
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754[05:16:18] <iamawesome> Ok, I think, everything is fine.
755[05:16:21] <iamawesome> Thank you all.
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757[05:19:12] <mapm> modprobe --first-time uvcvideo
758[05:19:12] <mapm> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'uvcvideo': Module already in kernel
759[05:19:49] <mapm> I think this was the kernel module needed for the webcam, but then I do not know what to do next
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765[05:24:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> udev should automatically load that module when it's needed
766[05:24:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> what do you mean "do next"
767[05:24:35] <mapm> to be able, for example, to use Cheese with the built in webcam
768[05:24:39] <reinaldo__Aguila> Algun venezolano en el canal
769[05:24:40] <mapm> it says "No device found"
770[05:25:48] <mapm> replaced-url
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781[05:32:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> is that an usb webcam?
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783[05:32:40] <mapm> built in
784[05:32:50] <mapm> I don't know if it is usb connected
785[05:33:55] <mapm> this is an output of dmesg when I make "modprobe -r uvcvideo; modprobe uvcvideo": [ 5013.429974] usbcore: deregistering interface driver uvcvideo
786[05:33:55] <mapm> [ 5017.530030] media: Linux media interface: v0.10
787[05:33:55] <mapm> [ 5017.532724] Linux video capture interface: v2.00
788[05:33:55] <mapm> [ 5017.535153] usbcore: registered new interface driver uvcvideo
789[05:33:55] <mapm> [ 5017.535156] USB Video Class driver (1.1.1)
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792[05:34:10] <mapm> sorry for flooding
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794[05:34:31] <missmbob> lsusb should give you the pciid if it is
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796[05:34:53] <missmbob> otherwise get it from lspci -nn
797[05:34:57] <CutMeOwnThroat> usb isn't pci
798[05:35:01] <missmbob> i know
799[05:35:13] <mapm> replaced-url
800[05:35:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> and as far as I could ever tell, the ID you get dosn't match either
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802[05:36:05] <missmbob> mapm: no. so lspci -nn
803[05:36:21] <mapm> replaced-url
804[05:36:47] <CutMeOwnThroat> funnily my webcam just worked out of the box and I can't see it in either lspci nor lsusb
805[05:37:11] <mapm> should it be 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Integrated Graphics [8086:1616] (rev 09)?
806[05:37:12] <missmbob> hrm.
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810[05:38:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> try lshw
811[05:38:13] <mapm> ok
812[05:39:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> actually mine *is* in lsusb, but you only find the term "camera" with lsusb -v
813[05:39:52] <mapm> replaced-url
814[05:41:52] <CutMeOwnThroat> seems it's really just not seen at all
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817[05:42:26] <CutMeOwnThroat> so I'd try to look it up in the specs of the laptop or whatever it's in
818[05:43:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> or you can just blindly try a newer kernel
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820[05:43:37] <mapm> mmm. here replaced-url
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822[05:44:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, kernels
823[05:44:17] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.4-2+b1); stretch: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.4-2); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-2)
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825[05:44:31] <mapm> I also had problems with the microphone (:
826[05:44:37] <mapm> well, still have
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828[05:45:31] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, try the 4.6.0 kernel from backports…
829[05:45:48] <CutMeOwnThroat> although I don't see 4.6.0 in the repo for amd64 anymore right now
830[05:46:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, snapshots
831[05:46:00] <dpkg> replaced-url
832[05:46:33] <CutMeOwnThroat> bah
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836[05:48:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> that's annoying. the 4.6.0-amd64 just disappeared from backports
837[05:48:03] <mapm> modules, if it helps... replaced-url
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839[05:48:56] <CutMeOwnThroat> probably not, if it's not seen at all
840[05:49:30] <mapm> yeah... well, I think I will try upgrading the kernel
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842[05:49:42] <CutMeOwnThroat> you can still look for the messages in dmesg … on boot or when unloading and loading the module again
843[05:49:54] <CutMeOwnThroat> but probably that just says "hardware not found"
844[05:49:59] <mapm> yes I looked at them
845[05:50:17] <mapm> if you look up, you will see a little flood of mine and me getting kicked
846[05:50:21] <CutMeOwnThroat> I dunno… those should be usb, and I thought even if they're not recognized, they should turn up
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848[05:51:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> ah yes
849[05:51:11] <mapm> dmesg seems to recognize it, does it? (I'm not sure (: )
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851[05:51:22] <CutMeOwnThroat> but I don't see the important lines in there
852[05:51:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> did that continue?
853[05:51:33] <mapm> nope
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855[05:51:47] <CutMeOwnThroat> [ 5017.535156] was the last line seen here
856[05:51:59] <mapm> well, before, when un/loading the module, it said this:
857[05:52:45] <mapm> replaced-url
858[05:53:18] <CutMeOwnThroat> I have for my cam e.g. uvcvideo: Found UVC 1.00 device Integrated Camera and then also input: Integrated Camera as /devices/pci0000:00[…}
859[05:53:34] <mapm> so I made apt-get install v86d and then it seemed to work, but nothing
860[05:53:50] <mapm> mmmm
861[05:54:00] <mapm> maybe if I restart the computer
862[05:54:14] <CutMeOwnThroat> that should be unrelated
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865[05:55:36] <CutMeOwnThroat> vesa-framebuffer should be some compatibility video output , not camera
866[05:55:56] <mapm> well, I'll have to investigate this further in the near future (: thank you for your help! gotta go now
867[05:56:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> dunno what the "u" is for, but maybe "universal"
868[05:56:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> bb
869[05:56:17] <mapm> see you
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871[05:58:37] <surfist> I have a wheezy-based distro.. and uh... libgweather is now broken due to noaa metar data etc changing... will using a newer libgweather and it's dependencies (probably for newer than wheezy) break things? or the entire system?
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877[06:04:43] <tom99> I used wheezy and I typed apt-get install libgweather and no package found
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882[06:05:59] <tom99> oh ok I already have it but it's just a dynamic library file.
883[06:06:04] <surfist> well apt-get search libgweather shows some packages but not newer ones
884[06:06:13] <tom99> mine shows libgweather-3-0
885[06:06:32] <surfist> yep.... that one has a problem now since noaa changed
886[06:06:34] <tom99> 3.4.1-build1 is the version reported by wheezy
887[06:06:45] <tom99> alright if you say so
888[06:06:47] <tom99> i don't know what to do now
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891[06:06:58] <tom99> to verify your bug
892[06:07:09] <surfist> well, the weather icon in the panel no longer works
893[06:07:17] <surfist> due to it doesn't know the url change
894[06:07:44] <surfist> maybe I can add official wheezy repo ?
895[06:07:50] <tom99> i'm using gnome and i see no weather icon or applet.
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897[06:08:06] <tom99> pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list and i'll tell you if I have the same ones if you want
898[06:08:09] <surfist> you can add to gnome 'weather report'
899[06:08:11] <tom99> i just added the main ones
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902[06:09:43] <tom99> I ran gnome-tweak-tool but don't see anything about a weather report
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904[06:10:18] <surfist> alt right click on panel? 'add to panel' ?
905[06:10:48] <tom99> oh i see it thanks
906[06:10:52] <tom99> silly me I was just right clicking
907[06:11:10] <tom99> when OBVIOUSLY I should have known to alt-right click. lol gnome you twats
908[06:11:19] <surfist> heh
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910[06:12:32] <tom99> I get doppler radar picture for 600 miles
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912[06:12:45] <tom99> well I guess gnome is useful for something besides taking up my screen area
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914[06:12:53] <surfist> that snapshot repo stuff is looking interesting.. if I keep my system somewhat frozen in time
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916[06:13:24] <surfist> my radar stuff is not configured.. the applet runs but it never updates
917[06:13:30] <surfist> I know what the problem is
918[06:13:37] <surfist> need a newer libgweather
919[06:13:47] <surfist> but my old repo no have eet
920[06:14:02] <tom99> is it not supposed to show a "--" in the panel?
921[06:14:10] <surfist> so 2 options.. hack the code for the old source, or somehow upgrade
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923[06:14:39] <surfist> nope.. -- means it hasn't found anything.. you should see e.g. a sun icon and a temperature
924[06:15:06] <tom99> what about creating a symlink in /usr/lib for a new version of libgweather-3.so.0 ?
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926[06:15:38] <surfist> well... the new libgweather has dependencies problems
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928[06:15:49] <tom99> i mean forget about apt
929[06:15:54] <surfist> it wants newer gtk+ newer libsoap .. other fun stuff
930[06:16:00] <tom99> find the new libgweather package, open it up, and install the .so file on your system
931[06:16:03] <surfist> I feel a chain reaction possibly
932[06:16:19] <surfist> hrmm
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934[06:16:30] <surfist> I suppose all it can do is crash :)
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936[06:16:35] <surfist> or fail to run
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938[06:16:44] <tom99> the problem is that they changed the method of reporting and so you need the new version
939[06:16:51] <tom99> but the new version is giving you dependency hell
940[06:16:57] <tom99> so yeah it's worth a shot i guess
941[06:17:05] <surfist> yeah weather.noaa.gov is not tftp.nws.noaa.gov
942[06:17:16] <tom99> cd usr/lib; mv libgweather-3.so.0 libgweather-3.so.old
943[06:17:17] <surfist> s/not/now
944[06:17:53] <surfist> in command line 'weather utils' I hacked the python code so it now works
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946[06:18:07] <surfist> but it doesn't use libgweather
947[06:18:09] <tom99> mv newfile /usr/lib/libgweather-3.so.0
948[06:18:25] <tom99> what is weather utils?
949[06:18:27] <jmcnaught> tom99: that's not a very good idea
950[06:18:46] <surfist> a cli command called 'weather'
951[06:19:09] <surfist> used as weather egll for example
952[06:19:11] <jmcnaught> file in /usr/lib should only be managed by the package manager. if you manually replace files in /usr, dpkg will overwrite them
953[06:19:20] <tom99> jmcnaught, I suppose he could try finding the updated source code and compiling it manually
954[06:19:21] <jmcnaught> /usr/local is the exception
955[06:19:24] <tom99> apt-get won't let him install it
956[06:19:42] <tom99> jmcnaught: ah i see
957[06:19:52] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell surfist about wheezy->jessie
958[06:19:52] <simbalion> I installed some package which cause dpkg to think a half-dozen necessary packages were no longer needed, and I did an autoremove before realizing what it was removing. I stopped it, but a few necessary things have gone missing, including network manager. I have physical access to the machine and a USB key, how can I restore my network settings?
959[06:19:53] <surfist> apt-get is staring at the wrong repo for now
960[06:20:08] <jmcnaught> surfist: Debian is easy to upgrade if you follow the insturctions
961[06:20:17] <tom99> well, isn't upgrading to jessie to fix one minor problem a bit drastic?
962[06:20:22] <missmbob> jmcnaught: but he's not on debian
963[06:20:30] <jmcnaught> oh
964[06:20:33] <missmbob> jmcnaught: he said "wheezy-based distro"...whatever that is
965[06:20:41] <tom99> what is a "wheezy-based distro" if not debian
966[06:20:46] <surfist> kali
967[06:20:47] <jmcnaught> surfist: please get support in your distro's channel
968[06:20:52] <tom99> dafuq
969[06:20:52] <jmcnaught> !based on debian
970[06:20:52] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
971[06:20:53] <missmbob> tom99: see?
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973[06:21:01] <surfist> it's a debian problem
974[06:21:12] <simbalion> does anyone know how to help me?
975[06:21:21] <tom99> well i *am* using wheezy and it doesn't appear to be working for me
976[06:21:27] <tom99> so i'm interested in solving it as well
977[06:21:36] <tom99> what sh ould it display in the panel surfist, a temperature?
978[06:21:39] <surfist> old libgweather is broken now
979[06:21:41] <tom99> instead of the -.- ?
980[06:21:45] <jmcnaught> tom99: upgrading to jessie is practical because it's covered by the security team and not the limited LTS program, and has improvements over wheezy in many ways
981[06:22:01] <surfist> you should see numbers like 87F
982[06:22:08] <tom99> jmcnaught: yes but how big is the download going to be? it's easier to change a symlink than to download gigabytes of stuff
983[06:22:18] <jmcnaught> simbalion: did you try "apt-get install network-manager" ?
984[06:22:32] <simbalion> jmcnaught: the network is not operational, I thought that was obvious
985[06:22:39] <ryouma> tom99: it will say upon attempted upgrade, no?
986[06:22:40] <jmcnaught> simbalion: auto remove shouldn't have removed something like network manager
987[06:22:50] <ryouma> tom99: at least for the first part, dunno if it is in 2 parts
988[06:22:52] <simbalion> jmcnaught: Also obvious.. not answering my question.
989[06:23:11] <jmcnaught> simbalion: we get a broad range of experience here, nothing is obvious, but you sound like you don't need/want help
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991[06:23:37] <simbalion> jmcnaught: If I didn't want or need help I wouldn't have asked for it. I asked a pretty specific question, and you didn't even try to answer my specific question. In fact.
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996[06:24:14] <tom99> I'm on ftp.gnome.org, it says you can download the source for libgweather of any version.
997[06:24:19] <simbalion> I've got install media for 8.5 but I don't want to wreck the existing system just to reinstall the network software
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999[06:24:51] <tom99> ryouma: you mean if I change my apt/sources.list to jessie and do apt-get update/dist-upgrade it will report the amount?
1000[06:25:08] <surfist> I have the source .. it still won't compile without fixing dependencies
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1002[06:25:29] <tom99> surfist: do you know the exact version it stopped working?
1003[06:25:29] <surfist> will figure it out eventually .. am in the 'asking around' phas
1004[06:25:30] <surfist> e
1005[06:25:36] <tom99> it has up to 3.20.3 in the ftp.gnome.org
1006[06:25:40] <surfist> it's recent
1007[06:25:49] <surfist> 3.19 fixed it
1008[06:25:53] <ryouma> tom99: it always reports the disk space that will be used, which is a proxy for the amount you will download. but i was concerned that if you did it in two parts, you won't know the disk space used by the second part. but i don't know if you will have to do it in two parts.
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1011[06:26:17] <surfist> I went to github for libgweather.. latest and old stuff
1012[06:27:09] <jmcnaught> surfist: please respect that other distros are off topic in #debian. you could try asking in ##linux if your distro's channel is dead
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1015[06:27:29] <ryouma> ##linux isn't such a bad place -- try it
1016[06:27:40] <ryouma> it's not like you are being sent to purgatory
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1018[06:27:54] <surfist> I don't want 'distro specific' info :) per se
1019[06:28:00] <tom99> surfist: my version is talking about last changelog update in 2012 i think?
1020[06:28:03] <surfist> this is so basic it's on every debian
1021[06:28:30] <surfist> almost like a libc problem
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1023[06:29:05] <surfist> well.. when did wheezy stop getting new packages?
1024[06:29:09] <surfist> maybe that could help
1025[06:29:20] <surfist> or I can just surf it's repo
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1027[06:29:26] <ryouma> surfist: ooh, i use weather too. and it is broken for me in jessie.
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1029[06:29:49] <surfist> ryouma the command line weather?
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1031[06:30:05] <ryouma> yes
1032[06:30:06] <ryouma> weather error: failed to retrieve replaced-url
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1034[06:30:22] <surfist> that's easy enough to fix
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1036[06:30:30] <ryouma> how?
1037[06:30:37] <ryouma> i keep checking for backports :)
1038[06:30:50] <simbalion> Okay different problem, I've fixed my network connection, and am trying to install network-manager, but I get an error saying unmet dependencies won't be installed. libpam-systemd, for example. Which should already be installed.
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1040[06:30:57] <simbalion> shouldn't it?
1041[06:31:01] <tom99> I get a configure error with glib-compile-schemas . And you're saying it's all a URL change?
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1043[06:31:33] <surfist> ryouma the command line weather is in /usr/share/weather-util
1044[06:31:38] <simbalion> I think this happened when I attempted to install selinux
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1046[06:31:57] <truthinmessaging> "Whatever the censor we will get around and reformat. NOTHING can stop the Truth now. The cat truly is out of the bag. Even if they shut the internet, we will get the Truth out. In fact more censorship = more real activism."
1047[06:32:14] <truthinmessaging> replaced-url
1048[06:32:21] <tom99> I am now installing weather -util with the command >apt-get install weather-util
1049[06:32:28] <truthinmessaging> Heh heh heh.
1050[06:32:35] <jmcnaught> !ops truthinmessaging
1051[06:32:35] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: truthinmessaging
1052[06:32:55] <tom99> In the meantime surfist I recommend using an alternative like a command line program or else a different desktop environment or your phone
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1057[06:33:13] <ryouma> surfist: and change teh urls there to something?
1058[06:33:32] <surfist> tom99 I am using my modified weather-utils and it works fine
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1060[06:33:43] <ryouma> you modified the urls in that dir?
1061[06:33:52] <tom99> would it work to download the unstable deb for libgweather and forcibly install it?
1062[06:33:54] <jmcnaught> simbalion: can you show the command you're using and the output in a paste?
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1065[06:34:12] <surfist> ryouma yeah... gedit weather.ph and change weather.noaa.gov/pub/ to tftp.new.noaa.gov/
1066[06:34:19] <jmcnaught> simbalion: also "/msg dpkg bat" for other information generally needed to troubleshoot apt problems
1067[06:34:23] <surfist> errr weather.py
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1069[06:34:43] <surfist> and uh tftp.nws.noaa.gov
1070[06:34:45] <simbalion> jmcnaught: can you tell me if jessie uses systemd?
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1072[06:35:02] <tx> it does
1073[06:35:03] <surfist> tgftp.nws.noaa.gov
1074[06:35:04] <surfist> sheeesh
1075[06:35:08] <jmcnaught> simbalion: it does by default, but you can also use sysvinit or upstart
1076[06:35:12] <simbalion> the problem, I'm fairly certain, is that selinux wrecked some of the essential system packages
1077[06:35:16] <ryouma> question for debian people: what is a good way to modify the weather data without changing the stuff debian controls? or is it sort of ok (but not really) to change it if it is going to be just overwritten by the next version? must i make my own package?
1078[06:35:32] <ryouma> i.e. i am thinking is there a ... redirect or some such mechanism for htat
1079[06:35:35] <tx> simbalion: jessie uses systemd by default.
1080[06:35:40] <binaryc> not nearly as comprehesive as weather uitl. but fun trick if you haven't seen it check out curl wttr.in/Chicago
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1082[06:35:49] <tx> Oh, you already replied, damn scroll bar.
1083[06:36:17] <jmcnaught> simbalion: are you talking about the selinux-basics and selinux-utils packages in Debian, or something else?
1084[06:36:34] <ryouma> binaryc: will try it
1085[06:36:42] <surfist> what's a good sources.list line for wheezy?
1086[06:36:52] <simbalion> jmcnaught: here is a paste of the output, replaced-url
1087[06:37:02] <tom99> surfist, here's where you can download the deb file from stretch
1088[06:37:02] <tx> surfist: the default one does just fine
1089[06:37:08] <simbalion> apt says systemd is the latest version
1090[06:37:08] <apt> simbalion: okay
1091[06:37:12] <tom99> maybe try to extract the so file from it? replaced-url
1092[06:37:24] <tx> apt install ls
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1094[06:37:59] <jmcnaught> simbalion: is systemd not installed? "apt-cache policy systemd libpam-systemd"
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1097[06:39:06] <simbalion> jmcnaught: libpam-systemd isn't, apparently. systemd is.
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1099[06:39:28] <simbalion> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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1101[06:40:11] <jmcnaught> simbalion: you have installed systemd from jessie-backports. If you want to install libpam-systemd from backports, you need to use "-t jessie-backports" in your apt-get command
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1103[06:40:23] <simbalion> jmcnaught: thanks I just noticed that myself
1104[06:40:44] <simbalion> this is why I don't like selinux. I think it was created to wreck peoples' day.
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1111[06:43:49] <binaryc> ryouma: curl wttr.in/Moon is neat too
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1114[06:44:16] <tx> the social network bars kinda ruin it
1115[06:44:16] <simbalion> jmcnaught: thanks for your help :)
1116[06:44:35] <ryouma> binaryc: it looks great but i would need to postprocess it to get it to fit within width. it is much too wide.
1117[06:45:09] <ryouma> (for chicago)
1118[06:45:15] <tom99> surfist, I tried replacing the .so file and it didn't work
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1121[06:45:29] <tom99> if you can perhaps figure out how to file a bug report that might get some info?
1122[06:45:32] <tom99> idk how to help you more
1123[06:45:46] <binaryc> yeah, not worth post processing. better services out there. I like the curl tricks for when i am on other machines. host a few personal ones
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1125[06:48:31] <surfist> tom99 yeah.. dependency fun
1126[06:48:31] <surfist> maybe a backport will appear someday
1127[06:49:25] <tom99> surfist: i'm always ready to learn more about linux stuff. if you find someone with know how let me know and i'll help build it if i can
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1129[06:50:12] <tom99> oh wow
1130[06:50:16] <tom99> fucking shit balls
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1132[06:50:33] <tom99> When i restarted the system overwrote my symbolic links so it's back to the way it was before
1133[06:50:54] <tom99> i guess dpkg must run as part of system startup or something
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1135[06:51:00] <surfist> far out
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1137[06:52:28] <surfist> I cheated... made a copy of the original, made a copy of the new, copied new to old (renamed)
1138[06:52:56] <surfist> all the applet did was crash
1139[06:53:07] <surfist> copied old back... worked again
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1141[06:53:43] <surfist> used a hex editor.. crashed
1142[06:53:57] <surfist> options include finding old code and rewriting it
1143[06:54:07] <surfist> the sources
1144[06:54:16] <tom99> surfist: i'm sorry to make you repeat it but how do I fix weather so it works correct?
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1146[06:54:39] <tom99> i tried "weather "Chicago Midway Airport" and it gave me an error about weather.noaa.gov
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1148[06:55:21] <tom99> surfist: i guess if compilation is an option that might work. what's it written in?
1149[06:55:32] <surfist> tom99 go into /usr/share/weather-util/ use gedit to find and replace weather.noaa.gov/pub/ with tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/
1150[06:55:45] <surfist> gedit weather.py
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1152[06:56:19] <surfist> also unzip and edit zones.gz
1153[06:56:28] <surfist> then rezip
1154[06:56:50] <surfist> or just use nautilus to get at zones.gz
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1160[06:58:29] <tom99> the line where it says "metar"?
1161[06:58:44] <surfist> don't replace the entire line
1162[06:58:50] <surfist> but yeah.. the metar line
1163[06:59:08] <tom99> or the one where it is setting uritype?
1164[06:59:13] <tom99> it's 2 lines
1165[06:59:17] <surfist> find and replace weather.noaa.gov/pub/ with tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/
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1167[06:59:24] <tom99> ok i'll rpelace both then
1168[06:59:40] <surfist> hold on
1169[07:00:26] <surfist> 2 places
1170[07:00:37] <surfist> where "metar" is
1171[07:01:01] <surfist> and where zones is near
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1173[07:01:40] <ryouma> will try when i get a chance. what is the debianly correct fix here? is there a ... what's it called which like that slim locales uses?
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1176[07:01:59] <tom99> it's got a line about % urimatch.group(1)
1177[07:02:08] <tom99> is that it?
1178[07:02:21] <surfist> I left that line alone
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1180[07:02:55] <surfist> you should see zones[zone][uritype] \
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1182[07:03:11] <surfist> the next line is the url
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1184[07:03:54] <tom99> oh i got it i think
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1188[07:04:09] <surfist> which should say: = "replaced-url
1189[07:04:29] <tom99> er well that's the one I'm asking about
1190[07:04:31] <surfist> wait
1191[07:04:34] <surfist> not news nws
1192[07:04:43] <surfist> yep, that line
1193[07:04:46] <tom99> ok
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1195[07:05:29] <surfist> the other line is "metar": "replaced-url
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1197[07:05:39] <surfist> observations
1198[07:05:48] <tom99> er there's a LOT of lines in zone
1199[07:05:50] <tom99> replace all of them?
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1201[07:06:13] <surfist> yeap but just the first parts of the url
1202[07:06:18] <tom99> weather.noaa.gov -> tgftp.nws.noaa.gov ?
1203[07:06:41] <surfist> weather.noaa.gov/pub/ tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/
1204[07:06:51] <tom99> well some of them don't have /pub after the url
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1206[07:06:58] <tom99> leave those alone?
1207[07:07:04] <surfist> just a sec
1208[07:07:40] <tom99> for example the first occurrence is weather.noaa.gov/data/nsd_cccc.txt
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1210[07:08:43] <surfist> you won't see the /pub/
1211[07:08:59] <surfist> so just change weather.noaa.gov to tgpft.nws.noaa.gov
1212[07:09:00] <tom99> huh?
1213[07:09:08] <tom99> ok...
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1215[07:09:21] <surfist> so just change weather.noaa.gov to tgftp.nws.noaa.gov
1216[07:09:23] <surfist> rather
1217[07:09:27] <surfist> make a backup first
1218[07:09:37] <surfist> so ya don't bork your only good copy
1219[07:09:42] <tom99> replaced 78366 occurrences
1220[07:09:51] <surfist> yep
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1222[07:10:03] <surfist> lotta zones
1223[07:10:32] <tom99> I didn't but I have another wheezy install I can use if I have to
1224[07:10:48] <tom99> weather "Chicago Midway Airport"
1225[07:10:48] <surfist> worst case is more find and replace with corrections
1226[07:11:08] <surfist> it likes icao codes or zip codes
1227[07:11:13] <surfist> weather lax
1228[07:11:17] <tom99> replaced-url
1229[07:11:17] <surfist> weather 90210
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1231[07:11:49] <tom99> by the way gedit doesn't work on my system
1232[07:11:58] <surfist> :/
1233[07:12:06] <tom99> so I used emacs zones.xz to edit it and it seemed to automatically compress and uncompress it
1234[07:12:17] <surfist> far out
1235[07:12:20] <tom99> yeah it gives HTTP 404 error
1236[07:13:08] <tom99> grep reports no occurrence of "weather.noaa.gov" in weather.py
1237[07:13:18] <tom99> and emacs says no occurrence of it in zones.xz either
1238[07:13:22] <n-iCe> Hi, do you guys actually use GNOME3?
1239[07:13:59] <tom99> no offense meant surfist but i don't see much more to be gained from messing around with this
1240[07:14:00] <surfist> all of weather.noaa.gov/pub/ should now be tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/
1241[07:14:01] <tom99> unless you have any other ideas
1242[07:14:07] <tom99> it is
1243[07:14:14] <tom99> hmm
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1245[07:14:54] <tom99> well I did not eliminate the /pub and I can still see it in the second URL
1246[07:14:56] <tom99> in zones.xz
1247[07:14:59] <tom99> [00:09] <surfist> so just change weather.noaa.gov to tgpft.nws.noaa.gov
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1249[07:15:23] <tom99> maybe if I delete weather.pyc?
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1252[07:15:57] <surfist> zones.gz is different that weather.py for editing
1253[07:16:00] <tom99> nope that didn't work
1254[07:16:12] <surfist> in weather.py you change the /pub/ also
1255[07:16:18] <surfist> in zones.gz you don't
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1257[07:18:11] <tom99> i think somehow that happened
1258[07:18:19] <surfist> acually, in weather.py you remove the pub/ in zones.gz there is no pub
1259[07:18:47] <tom99> metar": "replaced-url
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1261[07:19:03] <surfist> yep
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1265[07:19:38] <tom99> and then "replaced-url
1266[07:19:40] <tom99> yes
1267[07:20:04] <tom99> right in zones.xz I did the change weather.noaa.gov ---> tgftp.nws.noaa.gov
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1269[07:20:56] <surfist> is "replaced-url
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1273[07:22:10] <tom99> there is a closing quote so it matches the second thing yes
1274[07:22:35] <surfist> you could delete or rename weather.pyc
1275[07:22:44] <tom99> i did
1276[07:22:51] <surfist> it reappears after first run anyhow
1277[07:22:56] <tom99> I also grepped for weather.noaa.gov and it only matched one occurrence inside a python comment
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1279[07:23:22] <tom99> want me to reboot it?
1280[07:23:32] <tom99> that might be id
1281[07:23:33] <tom99> *it
1282[07:23:34] <surfist> no need for that
1283[07:23:53] <tom99> weather.noaa.gov text still mysteriously appears, why I do not know
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1287[07:24:39] <tom99> weather.noaa.ogv/pub/data/observations/metar/decoded/KSMO.TXT HTTP 404 ERROR
1288[07:24:46] <tom99> lol that's weird
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1290[07:24:52] <surfist> hmmm
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1293[07:24:59] <surfist> how about editing stations.gz
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1296[07:25:20] <surfist> yeah
1297[07:25:45] <surfist> edit stations.gz and replace noaa.weather.gov with tgftp.nws.noaa.gov
1298[07:25:49] <tom99> ok
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1301[07:26:34] <tom99> now it says
1302[07:26:51] <tom99> tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/decoded/KSMO.TXT HTTP 404 ERROR
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1304[07:27:09] <surfist> far out
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1306[07:27:09] <tom99> excuse me it says error then replaced-url
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1308[07:27:25] <surfist> remove /pub
1309[07:27:34] <tom99> HTTP Error 404: Not Found
1310[07:27:57] <surfist> replaced-url
1311[07:28:19] <surfist> reedit and remove /pub
1312[07:28:32] <surfist> from each line
1313[07:28:55] <tom99> replaced-url
1314[07:28:57] <tom99> success
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1316[07:29:27] <tom99> temperature 75 degrees, relative humidity 55% in wherever the hell 90210 is
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1322[07:30:09] <tom99> so should I go to zones.xz and replace all occurrences of "tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/pub" with "tgftp.nws.noaa.gov" ? :p
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1327[07:30:43] <tom99> seems like everything is broken on debian lol
1328[07:31:21] <surfist> so weather.py works now?
1329[07:32:06] <surfist> well... weather and libgweather were fine until noaa changed it's url
1330[07:32:11] <surfist> fun how that happens
1331[07:32:20] <surfist> all the hardcoded stuff goes in the tank
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1334[07:33:14] <Stranger09> #i3
1335[07:33:23] <tom99> i don't know if weather.py works
1336[07:33:37] <tom99> is that what is run when I type "weather 90210" at the command lien?
1337[07:33:41] <surfist> it works when you do weather 92010
1338[07:33:43] <surfist> yep
1339[07:33:57] <tom99> ok
1340[07:34:14] <surfist> 90210 is los angeles, santa monica, beverly hills.. tv show named after it
1341[07:34:15] <tom99> this seems like a basic programming principle. lol
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1343[07:34:22] <surfist> you can also do weather -f klax
1344[07:34:25] <tom99> have one point of control
1345[07:34:27] <surfist> get a forecast
1346[07:34:35] <tom99> what are those, radio station call numberS?
1347[07:34:36] <surfist> or weather -f 90210
1348[07:34:38] <surfist> etc
1349[07:34:44] <surfist> airport codes
1350[07:35:01] <tom99> oh. so if i put a 4 letter tv station or something it won't recognize it
1351[07:35:01] <surfist> you can also use weather station call signs if you know them
1352[07:35:09] <surfist> nope
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1354[07:35:29] <tom99> ah ok. maybe they all just use the same 4 letter fomat for call signs then
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1357[07:36:06] <roylaprattep> Hi, I deleted a user on my server, deleted home folder and all with --delete-all-files, but now I see that i have error apparently with mailbox, in my logs i see mail sent to lchamberland not working... then I tried to add the aliases lchamberland: roylaprattep, and mail still working! why? thats weirdddd!
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1360[07:36:45] <surfist> tom99 somewhere in there is docs and notes
1361[07:37:11] <surfist> what it knows, where it got it's info.. how to generate more
1362[07:37:16] <surfist> seems tedious though
1363[07:37:21] <roylaprattep> someone can help me with that?
1364[07:38:15] <surfist> I only know couriermta and not very well at that
1365[07:38:19] <surfist> courier-mta
1366[07:39:24] <surfist> seems to me if you manually deleted directories the mail program doesn't know that yet
1367[07:39:33] <surfist> so it's a config file festival
1368[07:39:53] <jmcnaught> roylaprattep: is lchamberland the user that you deleted?
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1381[07:46:42] <tom99> i'm gonna go afk for a bit
1382[07:46:47] <tom99> but it was nice working with you surfist
1383[07:47:01] <tom99> got to find out a little about how debian and gnome work (or fail to work as the case may be)
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1386[07:48:27] <tom99> I was playing around with gconftool the other day as well. apparently you can use it to set the colors and properties of your terminal via command line
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1389[07:48:35] <surfist> fun stuf tom99
1390[07:48:41] <tom99> although it wasn't as buggy as what we've been doing
1391[07:48:53] <tom99> I found a color string property for background which was #FF00FF00FF00
1392[07:48:53] <surfist> well... everything has bugs
1393[07:49:01] <surfist> part of the fun is fixing them
1394[07:49:08] <tom99> and the FF's controled the red/green/blue but i couldn't tell what the other 00 field represent lol
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1396[07:49:16] <tom99> surfist: eh well there's bugs and then there's bugs
1397[07:49:32] <tom99> i don't get much pleasure out of fixing bugs caused by somebody being a complete moron
1398[07:49:33] <surfist> I prefer not to hack things back together if I can help it
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1400[07:50:05] <tom99> anyways i'll be around if you need a wheezy person to test thigns
1401[07:50:07] <tom99> ttfn
1402[07:50:09] <surfist> often 'updates' and 'upgrades' break things
1403[07:50:16] <surfist> hasta la pasta tom99
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1463[08:17:07] <ryouma> c
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1485[08:27:58] <chrimp> magbar
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1491[08:29:50] <bakspace> how do you update linux kernel
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1493[08:30:35] <KpuCko> bakspace what do you mean? you need a new version of kernel?
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1514[08:35:59] <ryouma> i thought there was supposed to be a backport or a jessie-updates
1515[08:36:00] <ryouma> for weahter
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1518[08:37:02] <tom99> I didn't see one ryouma
1519[08:37:11] <tom99> I searched on packages.debian.org, is that the right place?
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1521[08:37:20] <surfist> not sure about gnome weather but on xfce the weather applet works
1522[08:37:24] <ryouma> i was told it was in the works which means it is someplace in debianland
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1542[08:45:13] <thinkpad1> —
1543[08:45:14] <thinkpad1> —
1544[08:45:16] <thinkpad1> —
1545[08:45:18] <thinkpad1> —
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1557[08:53:26] <stranger09> set weechat.bar.title.color_fg black
1558[08:53:30] <n-iCe> is it normal than Debian gnome takes more time to install than Ubuntu with unity?
1559[08:53:37] <n-iCe> is gnome bigger?
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1563[08:56:34] <surfist> when did the wheezy rep stop getting updates? for reference
1564[08:56:43] <surfist> right up to september?
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1572[09:00:28] <jelly> dpkg, tell surfist about wheezy lts
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1575[09:00:51] <tx> jelly: dpkg says no
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1583[09:03:50] <surfist> far owt
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1585[09:04:21] <tx> replaced-url
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1588[09:05:11] <surfist> tanx tx
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1591[09:06:09] <hologirl> “The white race is the cancer of humanity.” Susan Sontag, jewish marxist intellectual
1592[09:06:13] <surfist> am somewhat new to this "gee my stuff is now all breaking because of updates" fun
1593[09:06:22] <hologirl> “The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists.”-- Harvard educated jew, Noel Ignatiev
1594[09:06:38] <hologirl> “we intend to keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females too, until the social construct known as ‘the white race’ is destroyed-not ‘deconstructed’ but destroyed.”- Harvard educated jew, Noel Ignatiev
1595[09:06:48] <tx> can
1596[09:06:48] <tx> u
1597[09:06:49] <tx> not
1598[09:06:54] <hologirl> “We are not Whites — either symbolically or literally — as anyone knows who goes to Israel.”— Professor Leonard Fein at speech at 27th biennial congress of the Jewish Board of Deputies in Johannesburg, SA May 15, 1972.
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1614[09:10:13] <n-iCe> damn Debian is not installed yet
1615[09:10:18] <n-iCe> is taking so much
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1618[09:10:31] <MVNi> Dr E Michael Jones is awesome to say the least, he made me see that the Jew has destroyed or tried to destroy Christianity in the white western world which leaves a state of nihilism for us all and has us searching for cultures and spirituality that are not our own like buddhism etc, another great Catholic is Denis Wise. A great show Brian, you have interviewed pretty much everyone who is important and still alive.
1619[09:10:32] <MVNi> replaced-url
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1633[09:13:30] <vak0160> I need help with my dual monitor setting, I have intel hd4400 and nvidia geforce 210 card, the nvidia one is working, but the intel one is not detected on xrandr (lspci & lshw detect it though)
1634[09:13:44] <vak0160> I'm using debian jessie
1635[09:14:05] <roewin> vak0160, try to update to the latest debian.
1636[09:14:07] <roewin> jessie is really old.
1637[09:14:16] <vak0160> stretch?
1638[09:14:23] <tx> "really old"
1639[09:14:30] <tx> wheezy is really old l ol
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1641[09:14:49] <babilen> roewin: jessie is the current stable release
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1643[09:15:03] <roewin> babilen, stable is really old...
1644[09:15:06] <vak0160> I already updated it to 8.6 and also using backports version for xorg server intel video
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1646[09:15:37] <roewin> vak0160, at least get a fresh kernel on there.
1647[09:15:52] <babilen> roewin: So are many other things, please do not recommend that people upgrade their boxes to a development release
1648[09:16:09] <vak0160> tried with the backport version of linux-image, but I got broken package
1649[09:16:11] <roewin> so you recommend they use old, stale software?
1650[09:16:48] <roewin> babilen, like i said, he can at least put a fresh kernel on there.
1651[09:17:08] <babilen> roewin: No, that is not what I said. Providing support for stable (which includes guiding users to use backports and investigating the actual issue) is what we do here. You can certainly suggest upgrading to testing/unstable, but that shouldn't be the default reply
1652[09:17:13] <pingfloyd> !sns
1653[09:17:13] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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1655[09:17:26] <babilen> dpkg: bdo kernel
1656[09:17:26] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
1657[09:17:33] <ws2k3__> wheezy realy old? its still supported...
1658[09:17:35] <babilen> vak0160: ^ might try that and show us what happens
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1660[09:18:15] <roewin> fine. but debian unstable runs really well with very few issues ever.
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1663[09:18:36] <pingfloyd> hah
1664[09:18:37] <babilen> The current Perl transition is, well, interesting ..
1665[09:18:42] <roewin> pretty silly for a standard home user to be using jessie at this time. it's almost 2017.
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1667[09:19:01] <babilen> Either way: People should *not* upgrade their production systems to testing/unstable without proper warning
1668[09:19:03] <pingfloyd> roewin: did you just start using debian a week ago or something?
1669[09:19:09] <babilen> And there is nothing silly about that
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1671[09:19:35] <roewin> whatever. life is short, i can't fathom why anyone would want to run old software.
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1673[09:20:06] <pingfloyd> roewin: why is higher version number so important?
1674[09:20:14] <roewin> pingfloyd, freshness.
1675[09:20:20] <tx> lol
1676[09:20:22] <ws2k3__> roewin lol.... Maby people want old software because old software is 9999% crash save?
1677[09:20:22] <roewin> i don't eat 2-week old lettuce either.
1678[09:20:25] <pingfloyd> freshness LOL
1679[09:20:30] <tx> this is very cute
1680[09:20:31] <vak0160> I got this replaced-url
1681[09:20:33] <tx> roewin: how old are you?
1682[09:20:36] <pingfloyd> so well thought out there
1683[09:21:01] <pingfloyd> roewin: does your software spoil like food?
1684[09:21:10] <tx> it does
1685[09:21:16] <tx> his hard drive has bit decay
1686[09:21:28] <pingfloyd> it must be made out of eggs
1687[09:21:32] <babilen> Why don't we focus on supporting vak0160 rather than rehashing this conversation?
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1690[09:22:20] <vak0160> another info: ubuntu 14:04 works though
1691[09:22:56] <babilen> vak0160: Could you run "aptitude search 'linux-image'" and paste the output to replaced-url
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1696[09:23:44] <n-iCe> Hi, firmware-iwlwifi is not available anymore?
1697[09:24:35] <babilen> n-iCe: Why do you think so?
1698[09:24:47] <roewin> vak0160, I'm using Ubuntu 16.04 with the latest kernel. The system runs phenomenally well.
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1701[09:25:11] <vak0160> replaced-url
1702[09:25:16] <babilen> roewin: So do thousands of jessie installations
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1704[09:26:06] <roewin> babilen, LOL. Jessie installations. You sound like a troll. I remember jessie was current 3 years ago.
1705[09:26:07] <babilen> vak0160: Could you install linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64-unsigned from jessie-backports?
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1709[09:26:30] <n-iCe> babilen: E: Package 'firmware-iwlwifi' has no installation candidate
1710[09:26:35] <babilen> roewin: Seriously, drop it. If you have no intention of supporting Debian users in here then please take it elsewhere
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1712[09:26:39] <babilen> dpkg: tell n-iCe -about bat
1713[09:27:08] <roewin> babilen, Keep in mind that the Ubuntu I'm using is based on debian.
1714[09:27:18] <babilen> What does that have to do with anything?
1715[09:27:25] <roewin> I've got debian techology under the hood but with the latest advances.
1716[09:27:56] <babilen> Jessie is the current stable release of Debian and still very much supported. In fact this channel specifically supports jessie and wheezy users.
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1719[09:28:22] <babilen> So, either provide the support this channel is meant for in here or not
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1721[09:28:37] <n-iCe> babilen: what does that mean
1722[09:28:40] <prestin> goodmorning guys, is it safe to add a ubuntu repo to debian?
1723[09:29:03] <babilen> n-iCe: Please paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi" to replaced-url
1724[09:29:11] <babilen> n-iCe: (our bot sent you a private message)
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1727[09:29:46] <babilen> prestin: If you don't install anything from there, then yes .. generally speaking I would strongly advise against it. You might want to read replaced-url
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1730[09:30:32] <prestin> thanks for that babilen
1731[09:30:34] <Drzacek> Hi, silly question - is there a way to show some loading screen during boot? I know how to change the background picture for GRUB, but since I want to disable grub (default start one option with no 0timeout), I want to display a logo during start
1732[09:30:44] <babilen> prestin: Why do you want to ?
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1734[09:30:57] <Mava> babilen: too late, done that frankenbian already =D
1735[09:31:06] <babilen> Drzacek: Look into plymouth and similar tools
1736[09:31:10] <n-iCe> babilen: iwlwifi is aprivative software?
1737[09:31:13] <n-iCe> privative*
1738[09:31:32] <vak0160> installed 4.7 bpo kernel, but still nothing
1739[09:31:52] <babilen> n-iCe: I don't quite understand what you mean .. my guess would be that you don't have contrib and non-free enabled, but I can't be certain of that without seeing the information I asked for earlier
1740[09:31:55] <prestin> ehm babilen I am installing ansible, which I installed with apt-get but its version 1.7.2 while the ubuntu version are at 2.1.1 (which also all the documentation is written for :()
1741[09:31:55] <Drzacek> babilen, I will
1742[09:32:10] <babilen> prestin: ansible is in jessie-backports
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1744[09:32:14] <babilen> judd: v ansible
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1746[09:32:15] <judd> Package: ansible on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.7.2+dfsg-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.7.2+dfsg-2; jessie-backports: 2.1.1.0-1~bpo8+1; sid: 2.1.1.0-1; stretch: 2.1.1.0-1
1747[09:32:17] <babilen> prestin: ^
1748[09:32:24] <prestin> oh o.o
1749[09:32:29] <prestin> and.. now? :P
1750[09:32:34] <babilen> dpkg: tell prestin about jessie-backports
1751[09:32:47] <n-iCe> babilen: I solved it, adding non-free, does it mean it is a no opensource package?
1752[09:32:52] <babilen> prestin: You might want to use: deb replaced-url
1753[09:33:01] <prestin> ah damn
1754[09:33:07] <prestin> thanks for that dude
1755[09:33:13] <prestin> much appreciated
1756[09:33:15] <prestin> <3
1757[09:33:23] <babilen> n-iCe: Yes, the proprietary binary firmware blobs are not open source. That is why they have been removed from the kernel in the first place and packages seperately.
1758[09:33:31] <babilen> dpkg: tell n-iCe -about firmware
1759[09:33:37] <n-iCe> Got it.
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1761[09:33:49] <babilen> Great :)
1762[09:33:55] <vak0160> still the same with 4.7 kernel
1763[09:34:02] <roewin> "the only reason we have a negro problem is because the jews wanted us to have one and made it so." wow.
1764[09:34:08] <n-iCe> 4.7? I use Debian comes with 3.16.0-4-amd64
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1766[09:34:20] <babilen> vak0160: Is that a laptop?
1767[09:34:25] <vak0160> no, a PC
1768[09:34:34] <babilen> roewin: Please don't repeat that nonsense
1769[09:34:35] <n-iCe> babilen: am I using the correct and last kernel for Debian stable? 3.16.0-4-amd64
1770[09:34:49] <babilen> n-iCe: Yes, but newer kernels are packaged in jessie-backports
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1772[09:34:55] <roewin> babilen, it's from a broadcast i'm listening to.
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1776[09:35:43] <roewin> i don't necessarily endorse what i read and listen to. i do so to expand my mind to other points of view.
1777[09:35:44] <n-iCe> babilen: thanks.
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1781[09:36:04] <babilen> roewin: I see absolutely no reason for you to proliferate racist and antisemitic statements such as that. Please refrain from doing so.
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1786[09:36:34] <roewin> babilen, i'm a white european. why should i be fond of semitic influences?
1787[09:36:34] <babilen> (in this channel ... you are naturally free to do whatever you want)
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1792[09:36:54] <pingfloyd> what an idiot
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1800[09:37:33] <babilen> vak0160: What's the actual problem you are facing?
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1807[09:38:07] <nailyk> hi. Iam looking for the letsencrypt.sh debian doc and can't found it. I will not use the github doc because iirc the letsencrypt.sh debian implementation is not the same. Thanks in advance.
1808[09:38:14] <vak0160> the 2nd monitor that connected to the motherboard vga slot is not detected with xrand and cinnamod displays, but detected on lshw and lspci
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1811[09:38:21] <tx> letsencrypt.sh?
1812[09:38:29] <tx> why not use the client they provide
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1814[09:38:45] <vak0160> cinnamon*
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1816[09:39:12] <vak0160> the CPU is intel i3-4150
1817[09:39:16] <babilen> vak0160: So, you have one monitor connected to the Intel card and another to the Nvidia one?
1818[09:39:17] <nailyk> tx: certbot doesn't meet myrequirements and letsencrypt.sh is a way simplest to use :)
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1821[09:39:23] <vak0160> babilen: yes
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1823[09:39:31] <tx> nailyk: ah :)
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1827[09:39:59] <babilen> vak0160: I guess that Xorg is using one card as "main" card and doesn't actually use the other card at the moment
1828[09:40:01] <pingfloyd> vak0160: so using the backport version of the kernel and rebooting didn't fix that?
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1831[09:40:19] <vak0160> pingfloyd: yeah
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1836[09:41:24] <nailyk> tx: my problem is the configs folders between the github sources and the debian implementation changed, that is why i'm looking for a debian doc.
1837[09:41:40] <babilen> vak0160: You would, I guess, have to create two device entries. You have to configure Xorg for multiple GPUs.
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1841[09:42:09] <vak0160> babilen: any example for that?
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1845[09:43:04] <babilen> vak0160: I don't have one ready right away .. I also think that newer xrandr versions support that out of the box. I have never done that so I don't have personal experience with it unfortunately. But that would be the direction I'd investigate in.
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1850[09:43:33] <nailyk> babilen: i miss your question, are you trying a dual graphic card setup?
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1852[09:43:53] <babilen> nailyk: It's vak0160 who's trying that
1853[09:43:59] <nailyk> oups
1854[09:44:11] <babilen> (two GPUs, monitors connected to each, Xorg only sees one)
1855[09:44:23] <Mava> PC or laptop ?
1856[09:44:29] <nailyk> vak0160: i use dual CG setup on both my desktop computer. It is a pain to setup
1857[09:44:35] <babilen> Mava: PC (so not Optimus)
1858[09:44:47] <babilen> nailyk: Two device sections and suitable screens?
1859[09:44:53] <Mava> good, and i assume that both GPUs are additional cards ?
1860[09:44:57] <babilen> I think that newer xrandr versions handle this
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1862[09:45:29] <n-iCe> hi
1863[09:45:49] <nailyk> babilen: almost, (i'm looking for the right word) xfce/gnome/kde , only xfce is working for me
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1866[09:46:03] <nailyk> i can post my xorg.conf if you need.
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1871[09:47:04] <nailyk> but anyway, you are right and xrandr doesn't work anymore with this setup.
1872[09:47:38] <Algebr> Where can I download a full distribution of debian as a single iso, not the small piece meal 680MB ones so that it comes with gnome and everything.
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1874[09:47:46] <vak0160> nailyk: give please
1875[09:47:53] <vak0160> give me please*
1876[09:47:53] <Algebr> the small piece meal one used busybox and hence gave me problems with dhcp
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1878[09:48:09] <vak0160> and also, where is the xorg conf for jessie?
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1880[09:48:14] <babilen> Algebr: The largest images are bluray ones IIRC
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1882[09:48:22] <babilen> dpkg: empty xorg.conf
1883[09:48:22] <dpkg> Starting from Debian 5.0 "Lenny", /etc/X11/xorg.conf is often basically empty or non-existent, as X auto-detects your hardware and starts the X server accordingly, nothing to worry about. Ask me about <xorg config> and <xrandr> for ways to configure Xorg. See also <xorg manual config>, <xorg.conf.d>, <xorg hal>.
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1885[09:48:25] <babilen> vak0160: ^
1886[09:48:29] <babilen> dpkg: xorg.conf.d
1887[09:48:30] <dpkg> xorg can use files ending in the suffix .conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d for additional configuration. It is preferred to use an <empty xorg.conf> and create files (e.g. 20-nvidia.conf, 20-radeon.conf, 20-wacom.conf) there in order to configure a single device. You might have to create the directory yourself (mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d). See also "man 5 xorg.conf".
1888[09:48:39] <babilen> Okay .. I'll be back in a second
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1890[09:49:17] <vak0160> do I need to create th x.org.conf.d directory?
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1892[09:49:28] <vak0160> oh, sorry, didn't read that
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1896[09:50:13] <nailyk> replaced-url
1897[09:50:21] <vak0160> nailyk: Thanks
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1905[09:51:49] <nailyk> i use it for years now at i found it pretty efficient. I can unplug monitors, change it etc... always working. And i still have 3D capability, i guess, as i play xonotic ;)
1906[09:51:56] <nailyk> ping if you need
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1912[09:52:35] <vak0160> nailyk: do I need to define the nvidia card one?
1913[09:52:40] <nailyk> (and if you need one for amd gpu it is at home, so ping me in 10hours)
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1915[09:53:30] <vak0160> nailyk: this is for office PC, so no AMD card
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1917[09:54:49] <Algebr> babilen: yea, but this is going on a big usb stick anyway
1918[09:54:57] <Algebr> babilen: is it an iso?
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1920[09:55:06] <nailyk> if use use two nvidia gpu, i think you can just change the bus id sections and give a try. I forget to tell you, a requirement to get this setup working is your both graphic card should be the same or almost
1921[09:55:36] <nailyk> (same chipset group as you cannot load two different graphic drivers).
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1923[09:56:40] <vak0160> nailyk: It's intel and Nvidia
1924[09:56:51] <vak0160> nailyk: so it's not gonna work then?
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1927[09:57:32] <vak0160> intel hd4400 from i3-4150 and nvidia geforce 210
1928[09:57:35] <nailyk> oh. Its like integrated cpu graphic and pcie graphic card?
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1931[09:58:01] <vak0160> more like that
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1934[09:58:52] <nailyk> don't know. If you are able to load both graphic drivers it should. Try the laptop dual CG guide maybe. I cannot help on that, i use dual quadro at work to avoid this problem. Sorry.
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1939[10:00:19] <vak0160> nailyk: where I can find that guide?
1940[10:00:42] <nailyk> (and obvisouly if your hardware is able to handle that :) )
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1943[10:01:27] <nailyk> vak0160: replaced-url
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1946[10:01:48] <vak0160> nailyk: thanks
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1949[10:02:47] <nailyk> no problem :) And if someone can help me for my letsencrypt.sh doc i will be glad
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1955[10:05:01] <tdn_> Can I use cgroups in Debian to limit the amount of bandwidth a specific user can use (eg. via ssh/sftp)?
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1962[10:09:10] <tdn_> ok
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1966[10:10:19] <babilen> tdn_: That looks like it might provide some building blocks for what you have in mind
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2005[10:31:24] <rakan> hi
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2008[10:32:31] <topi`_> any idea how the tilde affects comparing version strings in apt-get?
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2010[10:33:06] <topi`_> like comparing 3.4.0 to (>= 3.4~)
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2012[10:33:43] <topi`_> I asked this on the ubuntu channel, but it seems that is only for n00b help, I tried this comparison using dpkg --compare-versions and it returned OK
2013[10:34:05] <topi`_> however, apt-get install thinks that the dependency is not satisfied. Maybe I should complain to that particular guy who packaged python3
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2017[10:37:43] <jelly> topi`_: showing the actual data might be useful
2018[10:38:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1560
2019[10:38:10] <jelly> topi`_: if you're using ubuntu for serious purposes, you can also try asking in #ubuntu-server
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2021[10:38:27] <jelly> if it were Debian, we'd ask you to provide ALL this info:
2022[10:38:30] <jelly> !bat
2023[10:38:30] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2024[10:38:33] <OerHeks> topi`_, yes, to the person that made the PPA. but you already know that.
2025[10:38:40] <topi`_> jelly: thanks for the hint
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2027[10:39:08] <tdn_> babilen, read about this and wanted to try it out. But the cgclassify command does not seem to exist. Is this a new thing that I need debian 8 for?
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2030[10:39:48] <topi`_> jelly: I just suspect that there is a bug in that particular version of apt-get that Trusty uses... because if I manually calculate the version using "dpkg", the check goes through
2031[10:39:53] <jelly> topi`_: sadly this isn't the channel to ask questions about dpkg or apt in general, and there's no specific channel that I know of for those. On freenode, ##linux may be the next best thing
2032[10:39:56] <babilen> tdn_: That tool is available in cgroup-bin (wheezy) and cgroup-tools (jessie)
2033[10:40:12] <topi`_> maybe it's useless to dig into this, since we're talking about out-of-date softwrae
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2043[10:42:02] <tdn_> babilen, thanks
2044[10:42:13] <babilen> dpkg: tell tdn_ -about apt-file
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2047[10:42:44] <babilen> tdn_: Generally speaking: If you are considering doing anything serious with this you might still want to consider upgrading to jessie
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2052[10:43:13] <tdn_> babilen, yeah, I see that what I want to do seems to require the cgred service. And that does not seem to be available in wheezy
2053[10:43:23] <babilen> aye
2054[10:44:07] <tdn_> babilen, I have a plan to upgrade my two remaining servers to jessie, however, I fear that it is going to be a big task. (postgresql, apache, php, nfs, LUKS)
2055[10:44:15] <tdn_> Plus, they are remote.
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2058[10:45:04] <tdn_> I keep postponing the upgrade...
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2080[10:56:02] <DotHack> anyone knows if there are any standard evironment variables where i can set de users amil addres that will be used as reply to ?
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2086[10:58:55] <surfist> so what is ##linux all about?
2087[10:59:10] <surfist> deep tech questions? or noob stuff
2088[10:59:34] <Iridos> read the channel off-and-on for a week and you know?
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2090[11:00:17] <surfist> far out
2091[11:00:18] <siva_machina> general discussion mostly about Linux
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2094[11:01:15] <surfist> am looking for places where the uber geeks might be
2095[11:01:17] <siva_machina> You can try to ask "deep tech questions".
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2097[11:02:05] <d0d50fe2e21a57c7> Corn and rice
2098[11:02:22] <siva_machina> ##linux would be a start
2099[11:02:30] <surfist> I'll look at it
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2101[11:02:56] <surfist> not always but sometimes those little, annoying, nonstandard problems happen
2102[11:02:57] <d0d50fe2e21a57c7> Ketchup and mustard gas?
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2105[11:03:51] <p3nt4> !leftturn
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2108[11:04:12] <d0d50fe2e21a57c7> Peanut butter?
2109[11:04:25] <siva_machina> Jelly?
2110[11:04:34] <ikonia> the spammer is back
2111[11:04:35] <d0d50fe2e21a57c7> Mushrooms?
2112[11:04:37] <ikonia> this time with food items,
2113[11:04:41] <siva_machina> yup it is
2114[11:04:59] <d0d50fe2e21a57c7> yum
2115[11:05:05] <d0d50fe2e21a57c7> gummy bears!
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2119[11:05:45] <d0d50fe2e21a57c7> Pork butt roast
2120[11:06:10] <colo-work> hmmm
2121[11:06:18] <colo-work> is Linux 4.7 coming to jessie-backports?
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2123[11:06:42] <colo-work> I can't install linux-perf on jessie with 4.6 right now, since it depends on linux-perf-4.6, which isn't in the repo apparently
2124[11:06:46] <colo-work> but linux-perf-4.7 is
2125[11:06:47] <d0d50fe2e21a57c7> Partially hydrogenated soybean oil
2126[11:06:56] <colo-work> ,v linux-perf-4.6
2127[11:06:57] <judd> Package: linux-perf-4.6 on amd64 -- sid: 4.6.4-1; stretch: 4.6.4-1
2128[11:07:00] <colo-work> ,v linux-perf-4.7
2129[11:07:01] <judd> Package: linux-perf-4.7 on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 4.7.2-1~bpo8+1; sid: 4.7.5-1
2130[11:07:01] <Iridos> DotHack, there's no global thing, the email client sets it
2131[11:07:10] <colo-work> ,v linux-image-amd64
2132[11:07:11] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.6+74~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.6+74; sid: 4.7+75
2133[11:07:18] <p3nt4> Anyone has tips on leftturn?
2134[11:07:27] <colo-work> ok, so it's not just our local mirror, apparently...
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2136[11:07:37] <TomTomTosch> most likely soon. 4.7 is in sid right now.
2137[11:07:38] <colo-work> this sucks; I could really use perf right now :D
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2140[11:08:14] <d0d50fe2e21a57c7> Applesauce!
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2143[11:09:38] <tom99> hmm, the thing with using apt is I never know if what I'm about to do will shatter my system
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2145[11:10:05] <tom99> for example I have wheezy i386, but when I type apt-get install linux-image-amd64 it happily says it will take 100 MB to download
2146[11:10:21] <Iridos> well, so?
2147[11:10:25] <tom99> so.... what, does that mean i get a 64-bit kernel and a 32-bit system files and nothing works?
2148[11:10:56] <Iridos> you can run a 64bit kernel with a 32bit userland… nearly everything works
2149[11:10:58] <d0d50fe2e21a57c7> Rice
2150[11:11:00] <Iridos> Xorg might not, though
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2153[11:12:45] <d0d50fe2e21a57c7> Fried chicken!
2154[11:12:59] <petn-randall> d0d50fe2e21a57c7: Do you have a support question?
2155[11:13:07] <d0d50fe2e21a57c7> petn-randall: yeah
2156[11:13:17] <d0d50fe2e21a57c7> Strawberry jam?
2157[11:13:23] <petn-randall> !ops d0d50fe2e21a57c7
2158[11:13:23] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: d0d50fe2e21a57c7
2159[11:13:54] <d0d50fe2e21a57c7> petn-randall: ketchup
2160[11:13:58] <d0d50fe2e21a57c7> dpkg: mustard
2161[11:13:58] <dpkg> d0d50fe2e21a57c7: I don't know, could you explain it?
2162[11:14:08] <d0d50fe2e21a57c7> dpkg: tomato
2163[11:14:08] <dpkg> d0d50fe2e21a57c7: I don't know, could you explain it?
2164[11:14:14] <Iridos> tom99, pretty much nothing "shatters" the system… installing 3rd-party crap packages can of course do arbitrary things because packages are allowed to do arbitrary stuff in pre-/postinstall scripts
2165[11:14:22] <d0d50fe2e21a57c7> dpkg: spinach
2166[11:14:22] <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, d0d50fe2e21a57c7
2167[11:14:33] <d0d50fe2e21a57c7> dpkg: Lettuce
2168[11:14:34] <dpkg> d0d50fe2e21a57c7: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
2169[11:14:41] <petn-randall> d0d50fe2e21a57c7: Try to keep the signal to noise ratio low.
2170[11:14:51] <d0d50fe2e21a57c7> dpkg: Cannabis
2171[11:14:52] <dpkg> i guess cannabis is the wonderful herb that the unfortunate americans can't worship.
2172[11:15:12] <d0d50fe2e21a57c7> petn-randall: Lemons
2173[11:15:24] <tom99> Iridos, are you saying I should trust the default debian repos like wheezy and jessie?
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2176[11:15:50] <tom99> idk if that's the right name. but lines like replaced-url
2177[11:16:17] <d0d50fe2e21a57c7> spaghetti
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2179[11:17:00] <tom99> so that if a package appears in my apt-cache search I won't necessarily get an unbootable system installing things?
2180[11:17:11] <Iridos> tom99, yeah… don't mix different stable releases, neither with other releases nor with outside packages and you should be good
2181[11:17:23] <d0d50fe2e21a57c7> pussy
2182[11:17:37] <tom99> i have 2 systems atm including my soon to be installed jessie
2183[11:17:38] <Iridos> tom99, very unlikely on stable… of course on unstable everything is possible
2184[11:17:39] <siva_machina> Don't cross the beams
2185[11:17:52] <tom99> one is wheezy stable with updates only from those stable repos, the other is a mixed wheezy/jessie system i'm using for the hell of it
2186[11:18:00] <d0d50fe2e21a57c7> Coffee
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2191[11:18:51] <tom99> right now in the stable one I have wheezy-updates and wheezy distributions in my sources.list
2192[11:18:55] <Iridos> you can mix testing and unstable because they're pretty close together with package versions (and it can be necessary to do so if a bug-fix only got into unstable so far)
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2195[11:19:27] <Iridos> but a stable release is too far away for that to work for a long time
2196[11:19:31] <tom99> er i mean wheezy/updates
2197[11:19:31] <underflow> hi ppl &
2198[11:19:39] <tom99> the other one has wheey-updates and wheezy-backports added
2199[11:20:09] <tom99> also a random line about some outside repo
2200[11:20:11] <underflow> wheey-updates? &
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2203[11:20:11] <d0d50fe2e21a57c7> HOT DOGS
2204[11:20:28] <mase2hotUK> Good morning, is it possible to have a shared repo this is what I want. Servers sharing a repo locally. Lets say I install something from debaian repo, I would like this to also store in my local repo so that if another server needs it it doesnt need to use the internet. This as long as its still the latest version. Is this possible?
2205[11:20:30] <tom99> so my question is does wheezy-updates provide anything or is that the same as wheezy-backports?
2206[11:21:36] <surfist> mase2hotUK when you install anything new, the new .deb file lives in /var/cache/apt/archives and you can copy those to the new machines archives folder
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2211[11:22:26] <surfist> or you can just mirror a repo if you have ... 100gigs or so laying around
2212[11:22:30] <mase2hotUK> These machines potentially wont exist at this point
2213[11:22:34] <surfist> or whatevr it is
2214[11:23:07] <underflow> why not? &
2215[11:23:18] <tom99> surfist: my /var/cache/apt/archives folder only has 181M in it but I'm sure I've installed more than that surfist. does it get cleaned out regularly?
2216[11:23:33] <mase2hotUK> To give the fuller story I'm using chef so I can automate server builds. As part of the they need to download services etc.
2217[11:23:55] <mase2hotUK> but I dont want 10 -20 servers all hammering my internet
2218[11:23:55] <TomTomTosch> mase2hotUK: sounds like you want an apt-cacher replaced-url
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2220[11:24:02] <petn-randall> mase2hotUK: There are apt caching services, like apt-cacher-ng or approxy.
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2222[11:24:42] <mase2hotUK> Hum that looks ideal
2223[11:24:45] <mase2hotUK> :)
2224[11:24:47] <surfist> tom99 my archives just piles up new .deb files
2225[11:25:11] <surfist> it can be cleaned out with certain commands though
2226[11:25:26] <tom99> I just installed the handy utility apt-file which can be used to list contents of packages that are not YET installed
2227[11:25:40] <tom99> and it tells me apt-cacher-ng will install 66 files to my disk, including apt-cacher-ng.pdf. a manual!
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2229[11:26:25] <TomTomTosch> and who needs those^^
2230[11:26:26] <surfist> apt-cache show packagename can show uninstalled packages
2231[11:26:27] <underflow> how can i install an rpm file? &
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2233[11:26:31] <Fuchs> underflow: could you not?
2234[11:26:36] <tom99> and /etc/apt-cacher-ng/acng.conf which is presumably a config file. in fact i think /etc is *all* about the config files
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2236[11:26:56] <underflow> I tried to rename .rpm to .deb but didn't work ok &
2237[11:27:13] <tom99> try dpkg -i file.rpm and see what happens
2238[11:27:28] <siva_machina> you can't....
2239[11:27:31] <underflow> yep &
2240[11:27:32] <TomTomTosch> or don't install things that are not made for your system.
2241[11:27:33] <surfist> underflow ya might need the 'alien' conversion package
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2243[11:27:47] <underflow> alien? rpm install alien? &
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2245[11:27:51] <Ticho> that's like asking a cd player to read your cassette tapes
2246[11:28:13] <tom99> surfist: honestly despite the sarcasm I did find package management easier with yum. it seems like I need a different command to do every task with apt like search (apt-cache) or install (apt-get) or list contents (dpkg)
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2248[11:28:17] <underflow> pacman -S alien not found &
2249[11:28:25] <siva_machina> Ticho, or music you put on a dvd
2250[11:28:26] <surfist> apt-cache show alien
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2253[11:28:52] <surfist> I started out centuries ago on the ancient slackware
2254[11:28:59] <surfist> then moved to debian
2255[11:29:00] <Ticho> ok, apparently a troll
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2258[11:29:50] <zoeurk> where is installer-i386 from replaced-url
2259[11:29:53] <siva_machina> surfist, I am actually planning on having a look into Slackware
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2261[11:30:07] <zoeurk> in "Get installer-i386"
2262[11:30:14] <tom99> lol well TIL that there is a package called alien and it converts rpms to debs
2263[11:30:39] <zoeurk> it's come from replaced-url
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2265[11:30:59] <surfist> slackware is fun, but it can get really tedious when installing things
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2268[11:31:26] <tom99> also what is this Filesystem Hierarchy Standard thing from 2005, is it still relevant to linux distros today?
2269[11:31:27] <tom99> replaced-url
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2271[11:31:55] <babilen> sure
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2273[11:32:06] <TomTomTosch> tom99: just type man hier
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2277[11:32:20] <siva_machina> surfist, part of the reason why I am looking into slackbuilds
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2279[11:33:00] <tom99> TomTomTosch, standards for linux are like oaths in Game of Thrones. There are so many of them you can't adhere to them all.
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2283[11:33:54] <miesco> ,v pandoc-citeproc
2284[11:33:55] <judd> Package: pandoc-citeproc on amd64 -- jessie: 0.4.0.1-1; stretch: 0.9.1.1-1+b2; sid: 0.9.1.1-1+b13
2285[11:34:05] <miesco> Is stretch out yet?
2286[11:34:18] <siva_machina> miesco, no
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2290[11:36:36] <surfist> fhs is related to posix
2291[11:36:48] <surfist> not likely to go away any time soon
2292[11:37:19] <zoeurk> do you know where I can more information aboot install-i386 from replaced-url
2293[11:37:28] <DotHack> found the mailutils package, anyone knows why this package does not provide an alternative for /usr/bin/mail?
2294[11:37:37] <zoeurk> arg!! installer-i386
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2302[11:43:29] <ksk> zoeurk: you want to install debian on i386 hardware?
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2304[11:43:54] <DotHack> found it, mail is a slave for mailx, so pointing mailx to the right binary updates the mail link also
2305[11:44:00] <zoeurk> i want to undestand this line
2306[11:44:27] <ksk> ah okay
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2309[11:45:09] <zoeurk> the i386 come for the documentation but I want to build an amd64
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2312[11:46:07] <ksk> zoeurk: see package debian-installer-8-netboot-i386
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2314[11:46:26] <ksk> you get this information from "apt-cache search installer"
2315[11:46:36] <zoeurk> yes i have download it but i see nothing in the doc
2316[11:46:57] <ksk> so what is your problem? what are you trying to archive?
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2318[11:47:41] <zoeurk> I don't see what the package do
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2320[11:48:13] <ksk> the package contains the debian installer
2321[11:48:17] <ksk> its needed to install debian
2322[11:48:27] <ksk> an "apt-cache show $packagename" gives you a short description
2323[11:48:41] <zoeurk> ok but where it's on the file system
2324[11:48:59] <ksk> so what is your problem? what are you trying to archive?
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2330[11:49:53] <v3n0m> Hi guys!
2331[11:50:20] <Algebr> where are intel video card drivers for debian, is there a apt-source I can add so that it figures it out correctly?
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2334[11:50:36] <surfist> I wonder if one command can show everything that 'man' knows about
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2338[11:51:30] <TomTomTosch> you can use man -k <keyword> to search for somthing.
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2340[11:51:52] <surfist> yeah... similar to apropos
2341[11:52:02] <surfist> was thinking more in terms of a master list
2342[11:52:49] <v3n0m> Guys, I downloaded the Debian DVD1. Now, I need to make USB bootable. How to do it? Any tool that I can use?
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2344[11:53:06] <zoeurk> i dont find the installer-i386 in debian-installer-8-netboot-i386 ksk
2345[11:53:08] <flearutghlart> Yooj!
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2349[11:53:59] <Algebr> v3n0m: is it an iso?
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2353[11:54:11] <Algebr> are you on osx?
2354[11:54:11] <v3n0m> Yeah.
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2356[11:54:14] <v3n0m> ISO here.
2357[11:54:17] <TomTomTosch> v3n0m: you just copy it to the media, no need to make it bootable. replaced-url
2358[11:54:17] <v3n0m> *ISO file.
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2360[11:54:37] <v3n0m> Nah, i'm using Parrot OS Security which is based on debian.
2361[11:54:38] <babilen> v3n0m: You just have to write it directly to the USB stick (with, for example, cp)
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2363[11:54:54] <Algebr> simple copy with dd, example: dd if=debian-live-8.6.0-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso of=/dev/rdisk2 bs=4m
2364[11:55:07] <babilen> And example would be "cp /path/to/the.iso /dev/sdb ; sync" if /dev/sdb is your USB stick
2365[11:55:09] <Algebr> that is from OS X, you find where your usb media is mount on linux
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2367[11:55:30] <v3n0m> okay and how to find the address of my USB stick
2368[11:55:33] <v3n0m> ?
2369[11:55:38] <babilen> v3n0m: On which OS?
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2373[11:55:46] <surfist> cp actually makes the boot sectors?
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2375[11:55:53] <v3n0m> Parrot OS Security 3.1 (Based on Debian)
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2379[11:56:11] <babilen> surfist: Sure, cp just copies everything. You really don't need dd here (and it doesn't scale blocksize automatically for you)
2380[11:56:13] <zoeurk> and i don't really understand your question about "so what is your problem? what are you trying to archive?"
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2382[11:56:25] <TomTomTosch> v3n0m: using lsblk or looking into dmesg after you plug the usb drive in.
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2386[11:56:36] <babilen> v3n0m: Plug it in and run "dmesg|tail -n23" and it should be obvious. Paste the output to replaced-url
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2391[11:57:31] <TomTomTosch> surfist: the iso contains it all, you write it to the block device, not a partition.
2392[11:57:41] <surfist> far out
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2394[11:57:53] <surfist> can it write/cp to unformatted usb?
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2398[11:57:58] <TomTomTosch> yes
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2400[11:58:15] <surfist> fun
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2403[11:58:27] <v3n0m> replaced-url
2404[11:58:30] <v3n0m> Here it is.
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2407[11:59:00] <surfist> I've only used dd
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2410[11:59:07] <surfist> so new tricks am fun
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2415[11:59:47] <petn-randall> v3n0m: This does not look like you plugged in the USB stick.
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2419[12:00:25] <v3n0m> nah there is
2420[12:00:27] <v3n0m> a usb stick
2421[12:00:48] <babilen> v3n0m: Did you plug it in *directly* before running that command?
2422[12:01:19] <babilen> surfist: cp just copies data .. be that files or entire devices doesn't really matter
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2424[12:01:38] <babilen> surfist: "everything is a file"
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2428[12:01:49] <surfist> wasn't sure if it stayed inside partitions or not
2429[12:01:50] <surfist> so cool
2430[12:01:53] <v3n0m> replaced-url
2431[12:01:58] <v3n0m> I plugged it in again
2432[12:02:02] <v3n0m> and mounted the USB.
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2434[12:02:49] <babilen> surfist: Yeah, it is a common misconception that dd has some kind of "low-level super power". It doesn't and you typically need it when you want to copy *part* of a file/device with specific offsets and whatnot (e.g. "copy first 512 bytes from /dev/sda")
2435[12:03:15] <babilen> v3n0m: Looks as if it is /dev/sdb
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2437[12:04:03] <surfist> cp is tons of fun.. use it to backup entire machines ... with -vru --preserve=all
2438[12:04:21] <surfist> but it can bork on interrupted copies
2439[12:04:30] <petn-randall> surfist: Sounds like rsync would do the job better.
2440[12:04:34] <surfist> yeap
2441[12:04:39] <surfist> that's next on the fun list
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2447[12:07:03] <Iridos> what? no superpowers? :(
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2449[12:07:14] <babilen> .oO( mooooo! )
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2451[12:07:44] <Iridos> aren't sparse files a superpower?
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2455[12:08:25] <v3n0m> okay
2456[12:08:45] <v3n0m> SO I should cp it to /dev/sdb ?
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2458[12:13:14] <babilen> v3n0m: If you believe that to be your USB stick, then yes .. please note that you will overwrite the data on that device. If you have only a single HDD it is not too unlikely that /dev/sdb is your USB stick given the evidence you provided.
2459[12:15:13] <surfist> you can fdisk -l and also mount see what is using what
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2461[12:15:42] <babilen> (unmount anything you have mounted before overwriting the stick)
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2506[12:42:12] <v3n0m> GUys
2507[12:42:32] <v3n0m> My USB stick can't get mounted and when I click on Mount it says that unable to mount location
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2516[12:51:59] <N0Lif3> What's the name of this login manager? replaced-url
2517[12:52:30] <ksk> N0Lif3: proably xdm? you cannot really tell, because you can customize them all? xdm best anyways ;)
2518[12:52:52] <TomTomTosch> N0Lif3: that's lightdm
2519[12:53:02] <N0Lif3> thanks
2520[12:53:31] <N0Lif3> I want to set it up so it auto-logs me in. I don't need a password. I'm the only person who has access to this laptop.
2521[12:53:54] <N0Lif3> and even if do-badders got it, I dont have anything of value on the harddrive worth hiding behind a password
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2523[12:55:17] <ksk> so you did a photograph of your window manager to find out which you are using? nice one :D
2524[12:55:50] <ksk> N0Lif3: did you google? ;) replaced-url
2525[12:56:08] <N0Lif3> I asked before a few days ago and guys told me that Debian has several different login software, so I had to narrow it down
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2527[12:57:01] <v3n0m> Guys help me please.
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2529[12:58:03] <TomTomTosch> v3n0m: full command and output please
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2531[12:59:14] <v3n0m> Well, I have put in my USB and it just shows as Generic Flash Disk.
2532[12:59:31] <v3n0m> and I can't mount it because it says that Unable to Mount Location.
2533[12:59:51] <TomTomTosch> okay, so it's the same stick you used to install debian a while ago? and you want to reuse it for normal data storage now?
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2535[13:01:22] <v3n0m> Nah actually, when I did the cp command so it didn't overwrite all the data instead
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2537[13:01:38] <v3n0m> it copied the files only
2538[13:01:46] <babilen> v3n0m: Which command did you use?
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2541[13:02:05] <v3n0m> so it gave me an error after some time that no free space.
2542[13:02:23] <TomTomTosch> please provide the full command and output.
2543[13:02:28] <v3n0m> sudo cp /home/v3n0m/Desktop/debian-8.6.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso /dev/sdb ; sync;
2544[13:02:31] <v3n0m> this command
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2550[13:03:24] <TomTomTosch> is your usb drive smaller than the 4.4GB needed for the DVD?
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2554[13:04:00] <babilen> replaced-url
2555[13:04:33] <babilen> v3n0m: Are you sure you used that command and not something like "cp /home/v3n0m/Desktop/debian-8.6.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso /dev/sdb1" ?
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2557[13:04:58] <v3n0m> yeah sure.
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2559[13:05:05] <babilen> Could you try it again?
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2575[13:17:23] <Putti> Hi, does anyone remember what package provides info pages that tell about unix history (it was an article) and basically basics of using gnu/linux systems?
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2595[13:26:49] <nailyk> hi. Sorry to annoy you again. I have a small problem with my debian 9. Lightdm will not start at boot time anymore. sudo update-rc.d lightdm enable doesn't help. Any adivces?
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2602[13:30:07] <antranigv> hi!
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2605[13:30:32] <antranigv> I want to dd the iso to a usb, should I set any bs?
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2611[13:31:45] <TomTomTosch> you don't need to bother if you use cp replaced-url
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2613[13:32:26] <halt> Hi guys, I'm run into an issue few month back with the version of systemd on debian jessie, where it's just fail to do anything in a docker container and failing with the error "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1" is there a workaround or maybe a fix for this ?
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2619[13:34:44] <teraflops> halt: do you know if it's a known issue? reported as bug?
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2624[13:35:26] <halt> I have not found it yet, in the bugtracker but searching right now as well
2625[13:36:12] <antranigv> TomTomTosch: ah, so just cp and sync? cool :))
2626[13:36:30] <TomTomTosch> yup^^
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2634[13:38:49] <halt> I think I did found it Bug#761076
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2638[13:39:25] <teraflops> ,bug 761076
2639[13:39:26] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2643[13:40:10] <teraflops> halt: hmm I don't think so
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2648[13:41:19] <teraflops> jessie runs systemd 215 and you are having issues with docker, I could be wrong though
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2650[13:41:36] <halt> teraflops: maybe not, that's the closest thing I could find , you are right this might be an other bug with systemd which has similar error message
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2652[13:42:06] <teraflops> halt: my docked knowledge is 0 to be honest
2653[13:42:16] <teraflops> docker*
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2658[13:46:21] <halt> I asked my friend google and also the docker irc channel so far no luck so any hint would be great
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2663[13:47:58] <tx> docker?
2664[13:48:03] <tx> what's the problem? sorry
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2669[13:49:08] <halt> root@eb02e717256f:/# systemctl
2670[13:49:08] <halt> Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1
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2684[13:53:09] <halt> tx: that is a simple new debian:jessie container as you can see nothing around systemd works, and due to that many of the package install fails as well when the postinstall try to reload the service
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2689[13:54:36] <teraflops> halt: first hit with your "friend" google replaced-url
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2692[13:56:54] <halt> teraflops: I read it tried and it did not worked so I presumed it's not related, but I give an other chanse to it
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2694[13:57:14] <halt> the issue is the -d is not optional for me I need -it
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2696[13:57:29] <mrmystery> How to tunnel your computer through TOR?
2697[13:57:56] <petn-randall> mrmystery: There are distros like tails that are specialized in that.
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2701[13:58:18] <petn-randall> mrmystery: You would need many steps to accomplish that if you do that by hand.
2702[13:58:37] <mrmystery> can you specify?
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2714[14:05:46] <DammitJim> using logrotate
2715[14:06:00] <DammitJim> wouldn't I get a new file every day if I specified daily?
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2760[14:18:00] <waka_> A bit of a newbie question if anyone has a second to assist. For some reason my box seems to have misconfigured some packages and in the process NetworkManager can not connect to the net even through the ethernet cable
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2762[14:18:26] <waka_> I have an x64 system
2763[14:18:48] <waka_> And I cant also seem to get to the lightdm login screeen
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2768[14:21:15] <waka_> My apt-get update of course is not going anywhere and I can see there's 331 packages not fully installed or removed
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2770[14:22:01] <waka_> The main offending dependency I can see is libicu57
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2774[14:23:21] <teraflops> waka_: testing/sid?
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2776[14:23:53] <waka_> testing i had
2777[14:23:53] <teraflops> waka_: there's a #debian-next in irc.oftc.net network
2778[14:24:25] <waka_> thanks teraflops
2779[14:24:28] <teraflops> np
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2781[14:25:11] <waka_> I obviously did something wrong somewhere hope I get help there thanks
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2790[14:27:54] <teraflops> libicu always reminds to me firefox being problematic, idk why
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2792[14:29:59] <waka_> To be honest I cant recall what happened, last process I remember doing was install some ruby on rails related stuff a month ago
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2798[14:32:59] <waka_> Actually teraflops I have stretch on my problematic desktop
2799[14:33:21] <waka_> my bad
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2801[14:35:24] <teraflops> I don't think it's bad "per se" is you know what you're doing
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2803[14:35:29] <teraflops> s/is/if
2804[14:36:15] <waka_> I usually have my way around most of these things but this one I'm struggling to get around
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2806[14:37:24] <waka_> Gnome logs into a black screen
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2812[14:39:30] <Guest61054> Hi.
2813[14:40:21] <Guest61054> Can someone please explain why filesystems need to be 'tagged' in fdisk ( for example as vfat ) when you still have to do mkfs.vfat?
2814[14:42:33] <Flashtek> Guest61054: fdisk makes the partition, not the filesystem
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2818[14:46:10] <Guest61054> Flashtek: ok, that makes it more understandable. And what would happen if I would for example made vfat partition and formatted it with mkfs.ext4?
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2821[14:46:50] <bezaban> Guest61054: some systems will not care, others will refuse to read it
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2823[14:47:21] <bezaban> it's just a hint of what to expect afaik, some will rely on it, some won't
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2826[14:48:29] <bezaban> I think a better way to test it would be to make a vfat partition which has no type and try mounting it on linux and then windows
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2830[14:48:49] <bezaban> if I recall that correctly :)
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2836[14:50:25] <Guest61054> bezaban: thanks. I better get reading into indept mount machanism.
2837[14:51:19] <bezaban> Guest61054: np, it's a good question. And as far as I've gathered it is implementation specific, and not 'strictly required' if you have an implementation that will actually look at the filesystem and not just the partition type
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2907[15:22:32] <Joergi> HI guys!
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2910[15:22:53] <Joergi> I am trying to update the PHP version in Debian Squeeze from 5.3 to 5.4
2911[15:22:55] <TROCHERIE> coucou
2912[15:23:03] <Joergi> I am following these instructions:
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2914[15:23:18] <Joergi> replaced-url
2915[15:23:36] <Joergi> However, the command
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2917[15:23:36] <Joergi> apt-get install php5
2918[15:24:05] <Joergi> tells me
2919[15:24:06] <Joergi> php5 is already the newest version
2920[15:24:19] <Joergi> How can I get PHP 5.4?
2921[15:24:25] <ksk> Joergi: debian squeeze is EOL, why dont you upgrade your machine?
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2923[15:24:37] <ksk> you wont be able to get php5.4 from the debian repos for squeeze, afaik
2924[15:24:44] <TomTomTosch> what does apt-cache policy php5 say?
2925[15:25:04] <Joergi> ksk: It is not my decision. The sysadmin does not even want PHP 5.4 (which I need for some software).
2926[15:25:23] <ksk> good Idea to install it behind his back ;)
2927[15:26:03] <Joergi> ksk: No, he knows, but he doesn't want to do it himself. Anyway, the thing is that it should be available from
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2930[15:26:15] <Joergi> replaced-url
2931[15:26:32] <ksk> Joergi: dotdeb is not the default debian repos
2932[15:26:35] <ksk> !tell Joergi about dotdeb
2933[15:26:38] <Joergi> TomTomTosch: Let me just paste the result somewhere...
2934[15:26:49] <TomTomTosch> paste.debian.net preferably^^
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2941[15:28:27] <Joergi> TomTomTosch: Here is the result:
2942[15:28:28] <Joergi> replaced-url
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2945[15:30:13] <ksk> you did play with apt_pinning, didnt you? 700 does not look to standard to me
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2948[15:31:09] <TomTomTosch> to temporarily pin the dotdeb repo higher you can pass -t squeeze-php54 to apt-get install.
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2951[15:31:36] <Joergi> ksk: No, I did not play with anything. This is the state, which I found on that machine. I have not made it look that way, I can only tell that it _is_ that way.
2952[15:31:38] <TomTomTosch> breakage possible as with any third party repo.
2953[15:31:57] <ksk> Joergi: I was not blaming you, but saying this is not the standard debian config (for pinning)
2954[15:32:00] <ksk> so thats your issue here
2955[15:32:25] <Joergi> ksk: As you see I am not experienced with this. What problems will I get because of this pinning?
2956[15:32:45] <ksk> !tell Joergi about apt_pinning
2957[15:32:50] <ksk> aww
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2961[15:33:20] <ksk> see: replaced-url
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2970[15:36:11] <Joergi> ksk: Yes, I have some kind of pinning in the preferences file:
2971[15:36:13] <Joergi> replaced-url
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2982[15:41:30] <Joergi> TomTomTosch, ksk: I have now tried a dry-run with -t squeeze php54.
2983[15:41:39] <Joergi> This is the output:
2984[15:41:40] <Joergi> replaced-url
2985[15:41:46] <Joergi> How does that look for you?
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2990[15:43:28] <TomTomTosch> looks as expected. it will replace a bunch of stuff with packages from the dotdeb repo.
2991[15:44:36] <TomTomTosch> you know... not advised if that's a production system and all that.
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2994[15:46:40] <TomTomTosch> double check the packages it tries to remove, though.
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3000[15:51:33] <ksk> Joergi: yap, looks "fine". the problem with dotdeb is that its a 3rd party thing; you cannot expect things to work / to not break like you are used to in standard debian
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3026[16:03:18] <v3n0mbyt35_> So guys I installed Debian.
3027[16:03:34] <tx> Congratulations.
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3029[16:04:41] <v3n0mbyt35_> And, there are some problems I'm facing. It's currently having KDE. Though, while installing I selected XFCE , KDE and Debian Desktop Environment.
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3032[16:05:25] <v3n0mbyt35_> Any idea how to change it? Also, sound does not work on the main browser. It does work on Firefox and in the KDE sound settings, my sound settings do not get saved.
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3035[16:05:54] <tx> v3n0mbyt35_: iirc
3036[16:05:57] <TomTomTosch> kdm lets you select a dektop.
3037[16:05:59] <tx> go to system settings, KDM configuration
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3039[16:06:05] <tx> and select the default session
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3041[16:06:13] <tx> OR select the session on the login screen
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3044[16:07:06] <v3n0mbyt35_> There is not KDM configuration
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3047[16:08:25] <v3n0mbyt35_> *no
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3055[16:10:55] <Joergi> TomTomTosch: apt-get would remove these three packages:
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3057[16:11:00] <v3n0mbyt35_> Hey TomTomTosch
3058[16:11:04] <v3n0mbyt35_> help please.
3059[16:11:10] <TomTomTosch> log out and select it directly in kdm. should be a gear-wheel symbol below the input fields.
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3061[16:11:14] <Joergi> apache2-mpm-worker [2.2.16-6+squeeze12], php-apc [3.1.3p1-2] and php5-suhosin [0.9.32.1-1].
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3063[16:11:23] <TomTomTosch> Joergi: yes
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3065[16:11:32] <kisser> hi
3066[16:11:42] <Joergi> So...what should I double check with them?
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3070[16:11:56] <TomTomTosch> if you need the functionality^^
3071[16:11:59] <v3n0mbyt35_> ALright.
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3076[16:13:58] <TomTomTosch> Joergi: possibly check with that sysadmin person of yours.
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3078[16:14:42] <logithack1337> i've connected my laptop to my tv via hdmi. however, parts of the screen on my tv are cut away as the resolution of 1360x768 on my laptop doesnt fit that of the tv. i've been messing with xrandr but cant seem to get it to work properly. could anyone please help me with that one? thanks!
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3080[16:15:30] <TomTomTosch> logithack1337: arandr is a simple gui frontend for xrandr. you might want to try that.
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3082[16:15:50] <logithack1337> TomTomTosch: thanks, ill look into that immediately!
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3085[16:16:39] <teraflops> logithack1337: some TVs have a "button" for adjusting the output, to fit the image to the screen. as in psize or whatever
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3087[16:17:02] <logithack1337> teraflops: you mean a "button" on the outside or an option in the configuration settings?
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3091[16:18:06] <teraflops> logithack1337: a button in the remote
3092[16:18:13] <Mahe> logithack1337: a common TV feature called 'overscan' might also be the cause of your issue
3093[16:18:21] <teraflops> Mahe: that too
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3095[16:18:32] <Mahe> look into the TVs
3096[16:18:37] <logithack1337> teraflops: holy
3097[16:18:48] <Mahe> * display settings and turn off overscan if enabled
3098[16:18:48] <logithack1337> teraflops: i had another look at my remote
3099[16:18:59] <logithack1337> teraflops: 3 button presses, done!
3100[16:19:02] <teraflops> xD
3101[16:19:10] <logithack1337> teraflops: i had to set it to 16:9 lol
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3103[16:19:21] <teraflops> glad it worked
3104[16:19:24] <logithack1337> teraflops: but still, thanks! thanks to TomTomTosch, too!
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3124[16:31:00] <chrislamp> hello all! can anyone please tell me what this command is doing? ${SHELL:-bash} thank you
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3128[16:31:46] <FinalX> chrislamp: the part after : is the default if $SHELL isn't set
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3132[16:32:53] <chrislamp> so this command tries to set the value "bash" to variable SHELL if that isnt set?
3133[16:33:16] <chrislamp> and what is the minus?
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3138[16:35:11] <JyZyXEL> $ sudo shutdown -h now
3139[16:35:14] <JyZyXEL> Failed to start poweroff.target: Connection timed out
3140[16:35:29] <rattking> thats the syntax.. without the - its a substring expansion.
3141[16:35:31] <JyZyXEL> any ideas how to turn off this machine?
3142[16:35:44] <JyZyXEL> i also tried 'sudo halt'
3143[16:35:50] <JyZyXEL> Failed to start halt.target: Connection timed out
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3145[16:36:03] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: remote machine?
3146[16:36:06] <jmcnaught> JyZyXEL: did you look at logs to see what the problem is?
3147[16:36:14] <JyZyXEL> waht logs?
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3150[16:36:38] <jmcnaught> JyZyXEL: using the journalctl command, or looking at the /var/log/syslog file would be a good start
3151[16:36:44] <JyZyXEL> there is nothing
3152[16:36:44] <edelong> Have you tried to just do sudo shutdown now without the -h?
3153[16:36:49] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: also in a jessie machine just poweroff works
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3157[16:37:26] <jmcnaught> JyZyXEL: logs are completely empty? what did you look at?
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3161[16:38:19] <JyZyXEL> the whole machine just froze after doing poweroff
3162[16:38:20] <pengui> how can i add a service to start at boot?
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3165[16:38:46] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: jessie? systemd?
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3168[16:38:54] <pengui> teraflops: yes
3169[16:39:00] <pengui> jessie and systemd
3170[16:39:07] <teraflops> pengui: heh
3171[16:39:15] <pengui> teraflops: ignore me sorry
3172[16:39:16] <teraflops> I as talking to JyZyXEL
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3174[16:39:20] <teraflops> np
3175[16:39:20] <jmcnaught> JyZyXEL: with systemd halt and poweroff are different from each other. if you tell the machine to halt, it stops everything and remains powered on
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3177[16:40:14] <jmcnaught> pengui: you can make a systemd service unit (look at man pages systemd.unit and systemd.service to get started) and put it in /etc/systemd/system, then "systemctl enable foo.service" (where foo is your service)
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3187[16:42:19] <careta> hey guys
3188[16:42:32] <careta> I'm using a GTK dark theme, how can I make QT have the same theme?
3189[16:42:39] <careta> it's mostly a gtk desktop with some qt apps
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3193[16:42:52] <NEWBIE_> HI PPL
3194[16:42:56] <tx> replaced-url
3195[16:42:58] <bittin> Debian admin at my workplace switched works yesterday, so i am the new Debian admin now :)
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3197[16:43:17] <careta> tx, muchas gracias
3198[16:43:31] <NEWBIE_> Guys Vinagre is acting up again
3199[16:43:42] <FinalX> bittin: not sure whether to congratulate you or to send you my condoleances ;) usually they go hand in hand
3200[16:43:47] <NEWBIE_> my mouse is not clicking on anyting
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3202[16:43:58] <FinalX> bittin: the amount of shit I had to dig through when I took over other people's stuff.. :)
3203[16:44:00] <NEWBIE_> how can I click kill Vinagre ?
3204[16:44:03] <NEWBIE_> KILL
3205[16:44:05] <tx> "killall vinagre"
3206[16:44:20] <tx> you seriously needed to jump on IRC to know how to kill a process?
3207[16:44:28] <NEWBIE_> hmmm i cannot click on anything outside vinagre
3208[16:44:39] <NEWBIE_> Sorry I am a new Newbie
3209[16:44:47] <jmcnaught> NEWBIE_: vinagre will also have a keyboard shortcut to release the keyboard from the remote, and then you can try ctrl+q or alt+f4
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3211[16:45:19] <NEWBIE_> thanks
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3214[16:46:00] <jmcnaught> tx: we don't really need to comment on people's level of experience here
3215[16:46:38] <jmcnaught> people come here for support, not to be made to feel bad for not already knowing the answers to their questions
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3217[16:47:06] <n-iCe> jmcnaught: true
3218[16:47:08] <NEWBIE_> is there a better vnc software then vinagre its really buggy
3219[16:47:16] <tx> remmina
3220[16:47:30] <n-iCe> NEWBIE_: realvnc?
3221[16:47:31] <NEWBIE_> remming I had 2 mouses sadly
3222[16:47:38] <NEWBIE_> ok going to get realvnc
3223[16:47:39] <pengui> jmcnaught: do i need to do this even if i require to execute a simple echo "helloworld" during startup?
3224[16:47:51] <NEWBIE_> thanks
3225[16:47:58] <teraflops> tx: remmina can do vnc but it's not vnc itself
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3229[16:48:24] <jmcnaught> pengui: systemd units are the way to do it, and they're really simple and easy to make.
3230[16:48:25] <teraflops> tx: via plugins
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3232[16:49:09] <Joergi> ksk, TomTomTosch: Thanks for your help so far!
3233[16:49:24] <jmcnaught> pengui: there's also /etc/rc.local but it's a legacy kludge
3234[16:49:27] <Joergi> I'll continue with this update in a few days I think. Thanks again!
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3238[16:52:43] <pengui> jmcnaught: i will try to create one thanks
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3240[16:52:55] <ksk> Joergi: yw.
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3242[16:53:06] <TomTomTosch> np^^
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3252[16:56:46] <jmcnaught> pengui: there are lots of example in /lib/systemd/system (which is where packages put unit files, you put them in /etc)
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3314[17:19:34] <iamawesome> Hi, is sublime editor available on debian jessie?
3315[17:19:53] <johnkeates> as long as you have a webbrowser to download it: yes
3316[17:19:59] <johnkeates> maybe even wget works
3317[17:20:02] <johnkeates> or curl
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3319[17:20:25] <v3n0mbyt35_> Hey, I have installed DVD1 and now I want to install the other DVDs.
3320[17:20:28] <v3n0mbyt35_> How do I do it?
3321[17:20:42] <johnkeates> that's not really how it works
3322[17:20:43] <v3n0mbyt35_> I'm using Debian
3323[17:20:47] <johnkeates> you install packages
3324[17:20:54] <v3n0mbyt35_> alright.
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3326[17:20:59] <johnkeates> you can install all sixtythousand+ of them
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3328[17:21:10] <johnkeates> but normally, you'd setup a minimal desktop system that just has what you need
3329[17:21:12] <v3n0mbyt35_> For that, I need debian repositories right
3330[17:21:18] <johnkeates> yes indeed
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3332[17:21:39] <johnkeates> once you have enough to get online, you often just use apt or synaptic or software center to install the rest
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3334[17:22:01] <v3n0mbyt35_> Alright
3335[17:22:20] <v3n0mbyt35_> and the apt-get distro-upgrade will download all the packages?
3336[17:22:28] <johnkeates> as a bonus, you'll immediately have the latest patched version
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3338[17:22:32] <johnkeates> no
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3340[17:22:37] <v3n0mbyt35_> Then?
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3342[17:22:43] <johnkeates> sudo apt-get install <the package you want here>
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3344[17:23:09] <johnkeates> or if you want to use a GUI, start software center or synaptic
3345[17:23:16] <v3n0mbyt35_> I have synpatic.
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3347[17:23:30] <hanasaki> how do you get virt-manager and libvirt to run X without "reverting back to software rendering"?
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3349[17:24:07] <pengui> jmcnaught: i wrote one but it wont accept my systemctl enable bob.service
3350[17:24:16] <johnkeates> v3n0mbyt35_: well, if you know what you want, you can install stuff there. i.e. vlc, you click vlc and click install
3351[17:24:16] <v3n0mbyt35_> That indian repository is too slow.
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3353[17:24:37] <v3n0mbyt35_> It's download 15.5 KB/s now.
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3355[17:24:42] <johnkeates> switch to a different repository
3356[17:24:45] <v3n0mbyt35_> *downloading
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3364[17:27:03] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: are you talking about libvirt guest domains having 3d acceleration?
3365[17:28:24] <hanasaki> jmcnaught perhaps. not 100% sure. objective is to get decent X performance in a guest. this is a high end i7 and not swapping and it takes a long time just to switch tabs in firefox
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3367[17:29:12] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: are you using VNC or SPICE to connect to the guest's graphical console?
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3370[17:29:33] <hanasaki> spice
3371[17:29:41] <hanasaki> tried vnc and spice jmcnaught
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3376[17:30:50] <hanasaki> jmcnaught: tried with qxl and wvga and vga
3377[17:30:51] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: in my experience SPICE is quite fast. is the guest on your local machine, or a remote?
3378[17:31:02] <hanasaki> local
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3383[17:32:52] <teraflops> qemu kind of suck at it even using QXL. there's virgl support in upstream right now using spice-gl, not that it's great but at least you can play tuxkart
3384[17:33:15] <teraflops> qemu/KVM*
3385[17:33:18] <hanasaki> jmcnaught: did you have 3d accel on?
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3387[17:33:31] <n-iCe> hanasaki: how can we know if we have it on?
3388[17:33:54] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: libvirt/KVM in jessie doesn't support 3d acceleration in guests.. except if you use PCI passthrough
3389[17:33:54] <hanasaki> n-iCe: virsh dumpxml machinename
3390[17:34:02] <n-iCe> hanasaki: sorry?
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3393[17:34:21] <hanasaki> n-iCe: need to use command line :)
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3396[17:34:58] <n-iCe> hanasaki: what? what command
3397[17:35:07] <hanasaki> the command I just gave you
3398[17:35:12] <teraflops> hanasaki: what about you checking if 3d accel is on *inside* the guest
3399[17:35:29] <hanasaki> teraflops: I checked. it is off
3400[17:35:38] <n-iCe> hanasaki: that's nto a command
3401[17:35:47] <n-iCe> bash: virsh: command not found
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3403[17:35:59] <jmcnaught> n-iCe: virsh is a program from libvirt
3404[17:36:23] <n-iCe> is that the way to see if we have graph acceleration on?
3405[17:36:27] <n-iCe> there is no native command?
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3407[17:37:01] <jmcnaught> virsh dumpxml shows the XML config file for a domain (jargon for guest)
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3409[17:37:29] <hanasaki> nice maybeyou need to install and run as root
3410[17:37:37] <n-iCe> found glxinfo | less
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3413[17:37:50] <hanasaki> jmcnaught: any ideas?
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3415[17:38:24] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: are you talking about about a 1sec+ delay switching tabs in firefox in the guest? or is it just not as fluid as you'd like?
3416[17:38:36] <hanasaki> 10+ sec
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3419[17:39:02] <v3n0mbyt35_> Guys, rest the OS is great but I can't seem to save my audio hardware settings in the KDE system settings. They revert back from the built-in audio to the ATI HDMI Audio when I exit the settings.
3420[17:39:16] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: are you sure the guest is using KVM?
3421[17:39:24] <teraflops> hanasaki: that's not right, it doesn't suck that much
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3425[17:40:28] <hanasaki> jmcnaught: please tell me how I can check
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3427[17:41:20] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: that doesn't sound like a SPICE/QXL problem to me. Using SPICE I can get full motion video in guests
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3430[17:41:39] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: check the domain type in the dumpxml output (first line)
3431[17:41:46] <hanasaki> jmcnaught: don't care about full motion video. just doing development.. ide's and browsers
3432[17:41:51] <v3n0mbyt35_> Guys, anyone can help me out?
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3434[17:42:09] <hanasaki> <domain type='kvm' id='98'>
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3438[17:43:05] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: right well, SPICE+QXL is *fast* enough for me that guest can play fullscreen video, which says to me your problem of 10+ seconds switching browser tabs in the guest is something else
3439[17:43:16] <hanasaki> getting /dev/dri/card0 no such file in X logs
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3441[17:43:47] <hanasaki> jmcnaught: does your X log say "switchign to software rendering "?
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3443[17:44:34] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: those are on a computer i don't have access to at the moment, the guests on this computer are all headless. The guest you're talking about is Debian too?
3444[17:44:56] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: maybe you could put dumpxml output on replaced-url
3445[17:45:18] <maziar> hello i want to run a command that take 2 hours to be completed, and my ssh connection is not a good connection, and my ssh will drop from my ISP, what should I do in Debian Jessie to make command still working after ssh disconecting
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3447[17:45:31] <greycat> maziar: use screen or tmux
3448[17:45:59] <missmbob> maziar: also consider mosh.
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3451[17:46:32] <greycat> (Unless you don't ever need to *see* the command running or interact with it, in which case you can simply do mycommand >log 2>&1 & disown)
3452[17:46:42] <maziar> greycat you mean by using tmux if ssh droped my command still is working ?
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3454[17:47:06] <maziar> missmbob i don't know what is it !
3455[17:47:13] <greycat> I have no personal experience with tmux, but screen certainly works that way.
3456[17:47:20] <maziar> i should mention nohup is not helped me
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3458[17:47:47] <maziar> greycat how ? would you please tell me an example ?
3459[17:47:47] <missmbob> maziar: it's ssh for crappy connections. made mostly for mobile but works great everywhere. my connection and drop for seconds or hours and it just comes back. really nice
3460[17:47:49] <greycat> You login from client C to server S, run screen, then run whatever you want. Now it's running inside screen. If you drop connection and login to S again, you can run "screen -x" to reattach to the previous session.
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3462[17:48:00] <missmbob> maziar: replaced-url
3463[17:49:00] <maziar> greycat you mean it will do it on background or it like pause and play ?
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3465[17:49:18] <greycat> I suggest you experiment a bit. It'll be more clear when you see it.
3466[17:50:04] <v3n0mbyt35_> Guys, rest the OS is great but I can't seem to save my audio hardware settings in the KDE system settings. They revert back from the built-in audio to the ATI HDMI Audio when I exit the settings.
3467[17:50:05] <greycat> Another screen demo: open 2 terminal windows. In one of them, run screen, then run something else. In the second one, run "screen -x". Observe that they are both showing the same thing, and that you can *interact* with either one.
3468[17:50:08] <v3n0mbyt35_> Anyone please?
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3470[17:50:22] <hanasaki> replaced-url
3471[17:50:30] <jmcnaught> v3n0mbyt35_: did you try pavucontrol?
3472[17:50:50] <v3n0mbyt35_> what's that?
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3476[17:51:39] <iamawesome> It looks some debian packages are older than other linux distro's packages, then how can i get/install the newer version of that package?
3477[17:51:40] <greycat> pulse audio vsomething usomething
3478[17:51:51] <teraflops> maziar: you run a command on the remote system and you just disconnect (detach) it's running now inside the multiplexer, you can re-atach when you want
3479[17:52:03] <greycat> iamawesome: If you need shiny new shit, Debian may not be the best suited OS for you.
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3482[17:52:39] <iamawesome> greycat: Which linux distro will you recommend for that then?
3483[17:52:51] <maziar> teraflops when i use "&' in the end of my command if ssh drop this task will stop ?
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3485[17:53:01] <greycat> You might get better answers to that in ##linux.
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3487[17:53:08] <teraflops> maziar: look at what greycat said above
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3489[17:53:24] <maziar> teraflops about screen ?
3490[17:53:29] <teraflops> nope ^
3491[17:53:30] <v3n0mbyt35_> <jmcnaught> ?
3492[17:53:52] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: i don't see anything out of the ordinary there. it looks like you added "<image compression='off'/>". did you change the CPU type from defaults?
3493[17:54:05] <jmcnaught> v3n0mbyt35_: can you please rephrase that in the form of a sentence?
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3495[17:54:08] <teraflops> […] mycommand >log 2>&1 & disown
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3497[17:54:23] <hanasaki> jmcnaught: yes. tried various cpu's. what does image compression do
3498[17:54:28] <iamawesome> greycat: Isn't it possible to install latest/newer version of a package anyhow on debian jessie?
3499[17:54:29] <hanasaki> its the qcow?
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3501[17:55:02] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: it does what it sounds like, mostly useful for connecting to remote systems.
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3503[17:55:10] <maziar> sorry i dont get your point !
3504[17:55:13] <kisser> how can i install php 5.3.10
3505[17:55:15] <v3n0mbyt35_> I actually installed the Debian DVD1 latest i.e Jessie. And selected the KDE and two other DE in it. Now, when I try to adjust the sound settings
3506[17:55:16] <kisser> on jessie
3507[17:55:24] <kisser> with apache2
3508[17:55:27] <kisser> php-fmp
3509[17:55:28] <hanasaki> jmcnaught: ah. actually I didn't edit that.. its whatever virt-manager put in
3510[17:55:30] <kisser> i have no problem
3511[17:55:39] <greycat> iamawesome: which package?
3512[17:55:50] <teraflops> maziar: sorry then
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3514[17:55:56] <v3n0mbyt35_> in the System Settings, it reverts back. I want it to be Default built-in audio while it goes away to ATI/HDMI Audio.
3515[17:56:05] <v3n0mbyt35_> After exiting.
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3517[17:56:19] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: i have found qcow slow, but not slow enough to take 10 seconds switching browser tabs. Do you have another host system you could try that qcow.img and XML on?
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3520[17:56:42] <jmcnaught> v3n0mbyt35_: did you try pavucontrol which is a program available in a package with the same name?
3521[17:56:51] <v3n0mbyt35_> Nope.
3522[17:56:59] <v3n0mbyt35_> I will download it
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3524[17:57:24] <hanasaki> jmcnaught: what do you prefer and why? to qcow2? don't think the disk will make much difference. this is after the browser is running with just two tabs of a simple webpage that runs fine on the host
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3530[17:58:10] <iamawesome> greycat: eclipse-4.7 or php7 or qt5.7
3531[17:58:12] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: i agree that qcow shouldn't slow things down as much as you describe. i use LVM for storage with libvirt.
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3536[17:58:30] <greycat> iamawesome: fuuuuuck. You don't start small, do you.
3537[17:58:41] <greycat> Good luck.
3538[17:58:51] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: which release of debian are the host and guest?
3539[17:58:55] <missmbob> iamawesome: definitely not for you
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3543[17:59:49] <iamawesome> greycat: "You don't start small" what do you mean by this?
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3546[18:00:14] <greycat> iamawesome: the things you named are all gigantic.
3547[18:00:20] <greycat> And difficult.
3548[18:00:31] <teraflops> iamawesome: it's fine debian jessie is not for you, it does not suit you needs
3549[18:00:36] <hanasaki> jmcnaught: jessie host / guest jessie
3550[18:01:04] <hanasaki> jmcnaught: what cpu do you use ?
3551[18:01:09] <hanasaki> guest cpu
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3554[18:02:56] <iamawesome> missmbob: "definitely not for you" , which one?
3555[18:03:12] <maziar> teraflops i dont understand i should attention to what, please help me
3556[18:03:26] <missmbob> iamawesome: debian is not for you
3557[18:03:27] <iamawesome> I thought, debian suits all, it's for all, it serves for all.
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3559[18:03:54] <iamawesome> I like that debian is very stable.
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3561[18:04:02] <greycat> iamawesome: Maybe try Arch. Or ask ##linux what you should try. Or pick something at random that isn't marked as "stable" or "long term" or "server".
3562[18:04:13] <greycat> iamawesome: No you don't.
3563[18:04:24] <greycat> You JUST ADMITTED you want crazy new bleeding-edge shit.
3564[18:04:44] <greycat> This is the polar opposite of "stable". Stable means it does not change very often.
3565[18:04:45] <missmbob> iamawesome: it's solid because it's not new, you see. cant have both.
3566[18:04:45] <maziar> how to linux run command even after logout?
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3568[18:05:06] <teraflops> maziar: help with wat
3569[18:05:08] <iamawesome> maziar: You have to login first.
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3571[18:05:17] <greycat> maziar: Is it an interactive command that you need to keep inside a terminal, or is it just a background job that writes to a log file and nothing else?
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3573[18:05:46] <iamawesome> I knew, someone can install newer packages on debian from backports or some other way.
3574[18:05:47] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: my nongraphical jessie guests, one doesn't have cpu defined (so default i guess) and the other is match=exact, fallback sandybridge (which is the host cpu model)
3575[18:05:55] <murphy> iamawesome, try parrot
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3579[18:06:23] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: for a couple of windows 7 guests on a jessie host, it needed to be core2duo but that was a windows bug.
3580[18:06:26] <hanasaki> jmcnaught: I tried qemu64 kvm64 core2duo westmire and copy host
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3583[18:06:43] <hanasaki> hmm what was the bug? for edification please
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3586[18:07:13] <teraflops> jmcnaught: for windows guest I find rdesktop more reliable regarding graphics performance
3587[18:07:37] <hanasaki> jmcnaught: was thinknig kvm64 or qemu64 might be the lightest weight to run and still be 64 bit.
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3589[18:08:13] <hanasaki> tried up to 4 cores without any improvement .. althought htop shows not cpu intensive
3590[18:08:21] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: windows 7 installer wouldn't start until we changed cpu to core2duo
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3594[18:08:53] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: i would try making a new domain with as close to defaults as you can using a copy of the qcow image
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3596[18:09:03] <hanasaki> hmm good idea
3597[18:09:04] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: possibly on another jessie computer if one is available
3598[18:09:05] <maziar> greycat i want to run a command "for example convert a big video file" and then disconnect my ssh, but i want that run in back ground
3599[18:09:23] <missmbob> maziar: you've been told. screen or tmux
3600[18:09:30] <jmcnaught> teraflops: thanks. this particular setup is using remote-viewer in kiosk mode and needs USB redirection
3601[18:09:58] <greycat> maziar: And the conversion is something like "ffmpeg -x -y -z foo.avi -o bar.mp4"? Then it's a non-interactive background job. Just put >logfile 2>&1 & disown after it.
3602[18:10:20] <greycat> maziar: if it were interactive, then you should run it in screen or tmux instead, as I said initially.
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3606[18:10:37] <v3n0mbyt35_> why this comes? It happens everytime I open a document with sudo with any graphical text editor.
3607[18:10:40] <v3n0mbyt35_> replaced-url
3608[18:10:45] <teraflops> jmcnaught: ah
3609[18:11:16] <jmcnaught> v3n0mbyt35_: use gksudo for running gui programs as root
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3611[18:11:32] <missmbob> why are you running gedit as root?
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3613[18:11:33] <maziar> greycat yes like that
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3616[18:11:49] <v3n0mbyt35_> not working
3617[18:11:58] <v3n0mbyt35_> gksudo is an unknown comman
3618[18:12:20] <missmbob> good. prevents people from doing stupid things like running useless gui programs as root
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3620[18:12:51] <jmcnaught> v3n0mbyt35_: it's in a package called gksu. or you can use the editor called 'editor' in your terminal emulator
3621[18:12:53] <maziar> greycat thank you it's seems ok
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3623[18:13:13] <jmcnaught> v3n0mbyt35_: no luck with pavucontrol though, now you're editing pulseaudio configs?
3624[18:13:39] <v3n0mbyt35_> Nah, pavucontrol is not available in my package list
3625[18:13:53] <v3n0mbyt35_> like in synaptic
3626[18:14:07] <missmbob> v3n0mbyt35_: you're still in parrot like yesterday, arent you?
3627[18:14:24] <v3n0mbyt35_> Nah
3628[18:14:28] <v3n0mbyt35_> I'm in Debian
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3631[18:14:32] <missmbob> ,v pavucontrol
3632[18:14:33] <judd> Package: pavucontrol on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0-1; jessie: 2.0-3; stretch: 3.0-3+b2; sid: 3.0-3+b2
3633[18:14:37] <missmbob> debian has it
3634[18:14:39] <jmcnaught> !show sources.list v3n0mbyt35_
3635[18:14:39] <dpkg> v3n0mbyt35_: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
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3638[18:16:43] <v3n0mbyt35_> replaced-url
3639[18:16:46] <v3n0mbyt35_> Here it is
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3647[18:19:01] <jmcnaught> v3n0mbyt35_: either you need to run "apt-get update" or you have a typo in "apt-get install pavucontrol"
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3655[18:21:38] <v3n0mbyt35_> It says that it's not available but another package has referred it.
3656[18:21:41] <hanasaki> jmcnaught: what do you mean new domain?
3657[18:21:43] <v3n0mbyt35_> And can't install.
3658[18:21:54] <v3n0mbyt35_> when I do the apt-get install pavucontrol
3659[18:21:58] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: domain is what libvirt calls guest virtual machines
3660[18:22:39] <jmcnaught> v3n0mbyt35_: did you run "apt update" ?
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3668[18:25:22] <hanasaki> jmcnaught: done. same results
3669[18:26:42] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: do you get the same symptoms in other VMs, or with other applications in the same VM? Say you ssh into the VM and run some commands, are they really slow too?
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3671[18:26:56] <hanasaki> console is fine
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3673[18:27:11] <hanasaki> console via ssh is fine. its all the X I think
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3676[18:27:41] <hanasaki> jmcnaught: tried stretch... lol still slow : where are the wayland logs?
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3684[18:28:20] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: wayland is still a beacon of hope on the horizon for me so i don't know
3685[18:28:20] <apb1963> apb@blue:~$ gksu /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator
3686[18:28:22] <apb1963> Error constructing proxy for org.gnome.Terminal:/org/gnome/Terminal/Factory0: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.Terminal: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Process org.gnome.Terminal exited with status 1
3687[18:29:42] <hanasaki> jmcnaught: stretch seems to be on wayland
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3689[18:30:13] <teraflops> hanasaki: can you be more specific?
3690[18:30:35] <hanasaki> teraflops: if you do a ps in stretch the process is wayland
3691[18:30:44] <teraflops> hanasaki: no not really
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3693[18:30:59] <teraflops> hanasaki: youre running gnome wayland or GDM I guess
3694[18:31:08] <teraflops> or plasma5 if it's there
3695[18:31:32] <teraflops> but no, strecht does not *do* wayland y default
3696[18:31:36] <teraflops> by*
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3699[18:32:06] <teraflops> that's why I asked about being more specific
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3875[18:40:29] <Jidoor_> what happens if i delete a user line in etc/passwd? will it blank the password or do something else
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3887[18:40:40] <Jidoor_> sorry i mean etc/shadow
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3914[18:41:19] <jmcnaught> Jidoor_: are you trying to delete an user account? that's not the right way
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3927[18:41:47] <Shentino> blahhhh, forgot the /
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3932[18:42:01] <Jidoor_> i'm trying to figure out ways to reset a password without root access
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3941[18:42:15] <Jidoor_> say recovering root password when its lost
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3946[18:42:33] <jmcnaught> Jidoor_: you have physical access to the computer?
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3948[18:42:36] <Jidoor_> yes
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3960[18:42:59] <Jidoor_> say i'm booted in from usb and have the drive mounted on there
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4007[18:48:28] <greycat> Jidoor_: /msg dpkg ifrp
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4012[18:48:28] <greycat> or if you prefer to spell it out, /msg dpkg I forgot root's password
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4124[18:48:35] <jmcnaught> !ifrp
4125[18:48:35] <jmcnaught> no bot :/
4126[18:48:35] <jmcnaught> Jidoor_: from a USB live boot you would need to chroot into your Debian install and then run "passwd" as root
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4135[18:48:35] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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4416[18:48:50] <teraflops> ddos again
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4419[18:48:53] <teraflops> be ready for a storm
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4425[18:49:16] <RoyK> I wonder wtf people are doing this
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4444[18:52:49] <Jidoor_> jmcnaught: that sounds like easiest alternative
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4452[18:54:55] <CtrlC> a user got deleted somewhere. Is there any place I can find logs on who did it and when did it and additional info?
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4458[18:55:27] <RoyK> CtrlC: sudo logs?
4459[18:55:36] <RoyK> CtrlC: or do you allow for direct root logins?
4460[18:55:47] <CtrlC> RoyK, Sudo probably.
4461[18:55:49] <teraflops> auth.log perhaps
4462[18:55:56] <CtrlC> where's that?
4463[18:56:04] <RoyK> under /var/log
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4466[18:56:28] <teraflops> /var/log/auth.log
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4468[18:56:43] <CtrlC> what about the sudo?
4469[18:56:54] <CtrlC> but what if they did sudo su?
4470[18:57:19] <RoyK> you should see when it happened by the timestamp of /etc/passwd
4471[18:57:42] <jmcnaught> CtrlC: "journalctl /usr/sbin/userdel" and then look at the time stamps because there may be more messages than just the ones from userdel
4472[18:57:44] <CtrlC> RoyK, It gets logged there?
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4475[18:58:09] <RoyK> CtrlC: no, but the timestamp tells you when the file was changed
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4494[18:59:04] <CtrlC> RoyK, Where is the changed time written?
4495[18:59:07] <RoyK> jmcnaught: didn't know journalctl had that - thanks :)
4496[18:59:20] <RoyK> root@smilla:~# ls -l /etc/passwd
4497[18:59:20] <RoyK> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4110 sep. 27 18:58 /etc/passwd
4498[18:59:28] <RoyK> that's the time
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4501[19:00:20] <CtrlC> RoyK, Let's say now I know the time. how to find out who did it?
4502[19:00:43] <teraflops> also journalctl /usr/bin/sudo
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4509[19:01:15] <teraflops> for the sudo thing
4510[19:01:52] <RoyK> CtrlC: how many users do you have on the system with sudo access to root?
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4513[19:02:18] <CtrlC> RoyK, plenty. Like 5.
4514[19:02:23] <jelly> root did it.
4515[19:02:37] <jelly> CtrlC: who was logged at the time?
4516[19:02:41] <jelly> in
4517[19:03:02] <CtrlC> hmm, so you suggest just tracking based on the time?
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4520[19:03:44] <bezaban> unless you have accounting set up with logging to another server a user with root access (or sudo access to anything that can fork a shell) has full control to do whatever they like including deleting logs
4521[19:03:45] <jelly> unless you have better auditing already in place
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4524[19:04:08] <RoyK> CtrlC: not everything is logged - if someone logged in and just edited the right files, a userdel wouldn't even be necessary
4525[19:04:45] <jelly> CtrlC: do you have any process auditing in place? sysstat? atop?
4526[19:04:48] <RoyK> CtrlC: so check the logs, like typing 'last -20'
4527[19:04:59] <RoyK> sysstat won't do much here
4528[19:05:12] <CtrlC> jelly, No afaik.
4529[19:05:19] <jelly> um, whatever package does lastcomm
4530[19:05:37] <jelly> acct, sorry
4531[19:05:49] <otyugh> hey. Got a silly problem : I did use "rsync file /dev/sdX" to flash a SD card to see if it worked as "dd" ; turns out not, I get a 10mo /dev/sdc now, it was 8GO before. Guess I did something really messing with the SD mind, now how can I fix my mess ? I can dd back something, it blocks over 10Mo saying there is no space anymore oO
4532[19:05:50] <bezaban> psacct I thinK?
4533[19:06:23] <bezaban> no, that's not the package
4534[19:06:25] <jelly> CtrlC: then yes, "just" based on time because you don't have much else at disposal
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