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• 13[00:02:35] <snfgf> Hi, I connect an Android device, and the 'jmtpfs ~/some_directory', but when I try to 'ls' I get, 'ls: cannot access some_directory: Input/output error'
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• 34[00:13:31] <mango> Hi! I wonder if vdpau works with the free Nvidia driver, or do I need to change ti the non-free?
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• 40[00:17:10] <freespirit99> Sorry Mom, I was wrong about the Holocaust
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• 42[00:17:34] <freespirit99> replaced-url
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• 47[00:19:06] <amiensoi> replaced-url
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• 56[00:22:52] <lozuser> I knew something was wrong with WWII history when the jews were putting laws in place making it criminal to make any critical inquiry into their "holocaust."
• 57[00:22:57] <lozuser> Turns out my intuition was right.
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• 60[00:23:22] <lozuser> For a funny parody of this: replaced-url
• 61[00:23:29] <lozuser> "I believe in the Holocaust"
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• 65[00:24:48] <moestevens> ...is something happening?
• 66[00:24:51] <snfgf> jmtpfs my_directory
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• 68[00:25:01] <snfgf> Device 0 (VID=22b8 and PID=2e76) is a Motorola Moto G (ID1).
• 69[00:25:05] <snfgf> Android device detected, assigning default bug flags
• 70[00:25:10] <snfgf> ls my_directory
• 71[00:25:14] <snfgf> ls: cannot access android: Input/output error
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• 73[00:25:28] <snfgf> Any help with ^ that!??
• 74[00:25:58] <mango> Debian and the holocaust? Do not think so!
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• 76[00:26:45] <mango> Hi! I wonder if there is some way to make vdpau works with the free Nvidia driver, or do I need to change to the non-free?
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• 82[00:32:09] <woshty> mango: what does vdpauinfo say?
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• 85[00:32:40] <deicide-> hello, is there a way to downgrade firefox?
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• 90[00:35:57] <tobiasBora> deicide-: You can use apt pinning.
• 91[00:36:03] <tobiasBora> Hello,
• 92[00:36:15] <deicide-> 'im a complete noob
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• 94[00:36:27] <deicide-> i'm
• 95[00:36:59] <tobiasBora> I would like to know how to disable the sound played by SDDM (the KDE Display Manager) when I resune my computer…
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• 97[00:37:45] <tobiasBora> deicide-: Do you have any good reason to downgrade ?
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• 101[00:38:45] <deicide-> the newer the firefox the worse it work
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• 108[00:42:41] <tobiasBora> Ahah. Do you want to downgrade, or the current Firefox version is ok for you ?
• 109[00:42:53] <tobiasBora> replaced-url
• 110[00:43:38] <tobiasBora> (it's the differents between pinning and holding)
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• 115[00:46:48] <mango> woshty: do not remember. I installed the mesa-vdpau-drivers, it did not work
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• 118[00:48:04] <mango> woshty, I wanted to give the non-free driver a chance but I guess I'll go non-free this time to.
• 119[00:48:17] <abrotman> This seems like something you could google, or ask #nvidia
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• 127[00:50:06] <mango> abrotman, talking to me?
• 128[00:50:18] <tobiasBora> deicide-: For example to force the version XX.YY of iceweasel, put :
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• 130[00:50:49] <tobiasBora> Package: iceaweasel*
• 131[00:51:05] <deicide-> sigh i hate linux so much
• 132[00:51:20] <tobiasBora> Pin: version XX.YY…
• 133[00:51:30] <tobiasBora> * sorry "
• 134[00:51:31] <deicide-> the simplest thing in windows takes days to do in linux
• 135[00:52:26] <tobiasBora> deicide-: That's because it's the wrong way to proceed. In windows it's complicated to have a whole system that is updated.
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• 137[00:53:07] <mango> deicide-, what is the problem you are having with Firefox?
• 138[00:53:19] <deicide-> its trash
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• 140[00:53:57] <mango> deicide-, trash i a very general term.
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• 145[00:54:53] <tobiasBora> Each program much say : "Please, upgrade me !", so it is costly for devellopers, it runs lot's of useless stuff to check for new versions… While with linux it's centralised. And if you still want to do bad things with linux, you can just change a file, or still uglier install by hand the .deb (equivalent of .exe in windows)
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• 148[00:56:18] <tobiasBora> Too force a version of iceweasel :
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• 151[00:56:26] <andril> o/
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• 155[00:57:03] <tobiasBora> Package: iceweasel
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• 157[00:57:22] <tobiasBora> Pin: version 30.*
• 158[00:57:32] <tobiasBora> Pin-Priority: 1001
• 159[00:57:49] <th0r> tobiasBora, is there some reason behind this rant?
• 160[00:58:26] <tobiasBora> and put this in /etc/apt/preferences
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• 162[00:59:08] <tobiasBora> (but again it's rarely a good idea to downgrade)
• 163[00:59:30] <deicide-> i'm fucking done
• 164[00:59:32] <deicide-> fuck linux
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• 166[01:00:39] <tobiasBora> th0r: you means 1001 ? Well greater than 1000 means "allow downgrading"
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• 169[01:01:09] <tobiasBora> deicide—: You don't know what you're missing…
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• 181[01:04:40] <SOUL_OF_R00T> hey guys i am new to systemd after a crash energy halt, systemd masks nfs-common service how to reenable i am trying unmask unit but no works, any help are welcome
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• 197[01:11:01] <awal1> SOUL_OF_ROOT, i dont see such unit here. but, systemctl unmask nfs-commo.service doesn't unmask and enable that service you mean?
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• 199[01:11:41] <SOUL_OF_R00T> i had try
• 200[01:11:45] <SOUL_OF_R00T> but no work
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• 206[01:12:07] <SOUL_OF_R00T> i tryed with root systemctl unmask nfs-common
• 207[01:12:14] <awal1> unmask it and start it
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• 212[01:13:06] <awal1> systemctl unmask nfs... systemctl start sfs...
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• 217[01:14:19] <SOUL_OF_R00T> i do it
• 218[01:14:21] <SOUL_OF_R00T> not work
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• 220[01:14:33] <awal1> unmasking X service will enable & unmask it but that service will still dead/not running until next reboot or if you start it
• 221[01:14:42] <awal1> hmmm, no clue so
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• 298[01:58:57] <alancarlos> Hi Guys i need some help
• 299[01:59:19] <dvs> pay up! ;-)
• 300[01:59:21] <alancarlos> i have a ati R7 360 and i want watch my series in popcorn time
• 301[01:59:44] <alancarlos> but my video driver is not work well
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• 304[02:00:07] <alancarlos> i think the problem is in the driver
• 305[02:00:09] <somiaj> alancarlos: dmesg | grep firmware (do you see any errors about the radeon driver not being able to load the firmware)?
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• 307[02:00:29] <alancarlos> 1 min
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• 310[02:01:09] <alancarlos> can i paste the result here ?
• 311[02:01:20] <alancarlos> or just in private ?
• 312[02:01:36] <somiaj> alancarlos: if it is one line in here is fine. Multiple lines at paste.debian.net
• 313[02:01:41] <Vapez> Hello, i have the following eror after i apt-get autoremove - error: can't find command `linux'.
• 314[02:01:41] <Vapez> error: can't find command `initrd'.
• 315[02:01:53] <Vapez> i autoremove this replaced-url
• 316[02:01:58] <somiaj> alancarlos: and are you sure it is the r7 360 (and not 260) -- that card looks a bit new for the drivers in jessie. You may need backports.
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• 318[02:02:34] <alancarlos> somiaj my video card is r7 360 i have the box yet
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• 321[02:03:22] <Vapez> Can someone help me?
• 322[02:03:28] <somiaj> alancarlos: just making sure. That card looks like one you will need newer drivers for. I'm not that familar with ati cards, but I think the newer amdgpu driver is in jessie-backports. You might also be able to get the newer fglrx non-free driver in jessie-backports for that card
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• 324[02:04:33] <alancarlos> replaced-url
• 325[02:04:46] <somiaj> ,v fglrx-driver
• 326[02:04:47] <judd> Package: fglrx-driver on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u2; jessie-backports/non-free: 1:15.12-2~bpo8+3
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• 328[02:05:25] <somiaj> alancarlos: looks like you have multiple hardware that requires non-free firmware.
• 329[02:05:55] <alancarlos> somiaj how can i install this amdgpu driver in jessie-backports ?
• 330[02:05:57] <somiaj> alancarlos: the first line is saying you need to install the package firmware-linux-nonfree to get the firmware for your gpu. This may improve preformance with the open driver + non-free firmware
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• 332[02:06:46] <somiaj> alancarlos: so I would start out by installing the package firmware-linux-nonfree. Additionaly your wired nic is a realtek nic that requires firwmare. You can get that from teh firmware-realtek package
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• 334[02:06:58] <somiaj> alancarlos: the second is only if you want to use your wired eth0
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• 336[02:07:38] <alancarlos> i installed my wifi card manually
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• 338[02:07:50] <alancarlos> nad works fine now
• 339[02:07:52] <alancarlos> =]
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• 341[02:08:04] <alancarlos> my biggest problem is rhe video card
• 342[02:08:31] <somiaj> alancarlos: this is just your wired card (not wifi).
• 343[02:08:34] <somiaj> ,v linux-firmware-nonfree
• 344[02:08:35] <judd> No package named 'linux-firmware-nonfree' was found in amd64.
• 345[02:08:41] <somiaj> ,v firmware-linux-nonfree
• 346[02:08:42] <judd> Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20160110-1~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20160824-1; stretch/non-free: 20160824-1
• 347[02:09:02] <somiaj> alancarlos: there is a chance that you will need both a newer kernel and firmware from jessie-backports.
• 348[02:09:05] <somiaj> !jessie backports
• 349[02:09:06] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
• 350[02:09:18] <alancarlos> how can i enable this ?
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• 360[02:14:50] <Vapez> Hello, i have the following eror after i apt-get autoremove - error: can't find command `linux'.
• 361[02:14:53] <Vapez> error: can't find command `initrd'.
• 362[02:14:55] <Vapez> i autoremove this replaced-url
• 363[02:15:01] <Vapez> how can i fix it?
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• 365[02:15:53] <yokisuci> Vapez: What version of Debian are you running+
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• 367[02:16:00] <Vapez> 14.04
• 368[02:16:02] <Vapez> ubuntu
• 369[02:16:17] <dvs> !ubuntu
• 370[02:16:17] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
• 371[02:16:28] <Vapez> yokisuci: i actually didn't restart the server i just installed grub-emu
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• 375[02:17:07] <yokisuci> Vapez: Oh ok. Wierd. I have no idea tbh, but how some its trying to remove kernel headers? Anyway, try reboot the server, then do autoremove --purge?
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• 378[02:17:35] <Vapez> what if i restart the server and i get that error?
• 379[02:17:41] <Vapez> it's risky
• 380[02:17:58] <yokisuci> Vapez: otherwise, I have no idea tbh. Try ask over at the #ubuntu channel? No idea. :/ What i'm curious about is what you tried to remove in the first place
• 381[02:18:00] <Vapez> now i try to install a new ubuntu server 14.04 on a local to check if the greb-emu have the same error
• 382[02:18:17] <Vapez> well, it's said that i need to autoremove them, and i remove them
• 383[02:18:17] <Vapez> 2gb
• 384[02:18:31] <yokisuci> Vapez: :/
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• 386[02:18:52] <pingfloyd> Vapez: this is a debian channel
• 387[02:18:56] <Vapez> i know, i know
• 388[02:19:01] <Vapez> ubuntu ppl don't answe
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• 390[02:19:08] <Vapez> so i need help, :(
• 391[02:19:19] <pingfloyd> more precisely debian stable
• 392[02:19:29] <Vapez> good one :)))
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• 394[02:19:52] <yokisuci> Vapez: I don't really know what you're trying to do really, but I would try to first do a complete upgrade ofc, then reboot and then autoremove --purge. Don't know what greb-emu is.
• 395[02:20:01] <Vapez> complete upgrade?
• 396[02:20:05] <Vapez> apt-get upgrade ?
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• 398[02:20:19] <yokisuci> Vapez: apt-get dist-upgrade. but that's just me.
• 399[02:20:34] <yokisuci> Vapez: and i'm running debian, not ubuntu
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• 401[02:21:03] <yokisuci> pingfloyd: Stable? So there's a seperate channel for stretch?
• 402[02:21:07] <Vapez> if i uname -
• 403[02:21:09] <Vapez> if i uname -r
• 404[02:21:10] <pingfloyd> yokisuci: yes
• 405[02:21:27] <pingfloyd> yokisuci: this channel is support for strictly debian stable
• 406[02:21:27] <Arianna> Does tar df compare file contents in the archive against the file system? Or does it just check that the file names and directory structure match?
• 407[02:21:38] <Vapez> The following packages will be upgraded:
• 408[02:21:38] <Vapez> libpython3.4-minimal libpython3.4-stdlib python3.4 python3.4-minimal
• 409[02:21:48] <Vapez> it will upgrade the python from 2.7 to 3.4
• 410[02:21:48] <yokisuci> pingfloyd: oh ok ic.
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• 412[02:22:17] <yokisuci> Vapez: and is that a problem? :/
• 413[02:22:31] <RoyK> Vapez: if this is ubuntu server, try #ubuntu-server
• 414[02:22:35] <Vapez> centos it's based on python to run corectly, maybe it's the same on ubuntu
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• 416[02:22:55] <pingfloyd> !tell yokisuci about debian-next
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• 419[02:23:43] <AlexLikeRock> #debian-next no body answer >:-(
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• 421[02:24:08] <pingfloyd> AlexLikeRock: on which network?
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• 423[02:24:41] <AlexLikeRock> the most people are at #debian
• 424[02:24:44] <yokisuci> pingfloyd: oh ok :) Can't say i'm having problem with my stretch in this computer tho and i'm running stable on the other one anyway.
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• 429[02:28:09] <eliran> is network cardRTL8111H supported ?
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• 431[02:29:36] <RoyK> eliran: think so ... try on a live cd/usb
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• 440[02:38:12] <Vapez> yokisuci: it's seems that was boot without any problem
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• 442[02:38:21] <Vapez> grub-emu it's working like that, giving error
• 443[02:38:28] <Vapez> i tested it on a new ubuntu 14.04
• 444[02:38:30] <Vapez> same error
• 445[02:38:38] <Vapez> so, everything it's okay :)
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• 449[02:39:58] <Vapez> thank you
• 450[02:40:33] <tom99> er what's in /boot if there is no initrd or linux?
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• 457[02:42:54] <abrotman> symlinks
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• 461[02:45:15] <ov3rmind> replaced-url
• 462[02:45:19] <ov3rmind> ?
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• 471[02:54:32] <Arianna> Does tar df compare file contents in the archive against the file system? Or does it just check that the file names and directory structure match?
• 472[02:54:38] <ov3rmind> ? any can help or gimme a tip abou how to trace my trouble
• 473[02:54:39] <ov3rmind> :)
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• 486[03:03:46] <james364> here's my update-alternatives config for x-replaced-url
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• 490[03:07:14] <jmcnaught> james364: what does "xdg-settings get default-web-browser" say?
• 491[03:07:38] <james364> jmcnaught: opera-browser.desktop
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• 493[03:09:26] <jmcnaught> james364: have you tried the "default applications" menu for your desktop environment? For GNOME it's in the Details part of the settings application.
• 494[03:09:49] <james364> jmcnaught: yes it's set to opera (xfce4)
• 495[03:09:54] <ov3rmind> i am stupid trouble solved
• 496[03:09:59] <ov3rmind> very thanks guys
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• 500[03:11:16] <james364> jmcnaught: i just started gnome-control-center and tried from there. that fixed it. thanks
• 501[03:11:33] <james364> i wonder why xfce4 wasnt reading it's own settings. oh well
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• 506[03:12:43] <jmcnaught> james364: it is confusing with so many different ways to set default applications
• 507[03:13:13] <jmcnaught> and i can never remember the xdg-* syntax when i need it :/
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• 510[03:15:34] <ahmed751995_> excuse me i tried to intsall debian but when it comes to scanning partition it stop forever and i can't also install ubuntu or fedora but when i tried usb live i can see and open partition normally ?
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• 514[03:18:18] <jmcnaught> ahmed751995_: is it one of those fancy new computers with an NVMe bus for the SSD?
• 515[03:18:42] <jmcnaught> ahmed751995_: also which Debian installer image are you using, and how did you copy it to USB?
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• 517[03:19:02] <ahmed751995_> no
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• 519[03:19:21] <ahmed751995_> i was using debian before and the triede parabola
• 520[03:19:32] <ahmed751995_> then*
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• 522[03:20:49] <ahmed751995_> i use dvd image and used Etcher and this app worked well in fedora ,ubuntu and debian and all worked well but after parabola os this problem happened
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• 525[03:23:24] <jmcnaught> ahmed751995_: is Etcher a DVD burning program, or did you use it to copy the image to a USB stick? Debian ISO images are hybrid images, so most USB-boot-copy programs break them
• 526[03:23:56] <ahmed751995_> DVD burning program
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• 528[03:24:37] <ahmed751995_> and when i tried to open gparted from ubuntu live i git this error when tring to scan sda :
• 529[03:24:46] <ahmed751995_> Assertion (metadata length > 0) at ../../../libparted/labels/dos.c:2313 in function add_logical_part metadata() failed
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• 559[03:43:13] <ahmed751995_> i think the problem solved i used cfdisk and delete partition and make new one and it worked well
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• 565[03:44:32] <minecraftkid55_> hey guys
• 566[03:44:36] <minecraftkid55_> i need to install minecraft
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• 568[03:44:38] <minecraftkid55_> on linux
• 569[03:44:42] <minecraftkid55_> it isn't working
• 570[03:44:46] <minecraftkid55_> and idk what to do
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• 573[03:45:18] <doghumper> minecraftkid55_: is an autistic fuck who calls debian "deh-bian"
• 574[03:45:28] <minecraftkid55_> hey
• 575[03:45:29] <minecraftkid55_> stop that
• 576[03:45:45] <doghumper> replaced-url
• 577[03:45:55] <minecraftkid55_> i NEED minecraft on lunix
• 578[03:45:58] <minecraftkid55_> and it isn't working
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• 580[03:46:16] <doghumper> sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root /
• 581[03:46:22] <minecraftkid55_> @everyone
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• 583[03:46:27] <doghumper> try that
• 584[03:46:30] <minecraftkid55_> ok
• 585[03:46:38] <BishamonX> Don't
• 586[03:46:43] <joeel84> Don't be mean
• 587[03:46:43] <minecraftkid55_> but i need minecraft
• 588[03:46:49] <minecraftkid55_> i did it
• 589[03:46:49] <BishamonX> That will delete everything
• 590[03:46:53] <doghumper> now reboot
• 591[03:46:53] <minecraftkid55_> no!!
• 592[03:46:57] <minecraftkid55_> i need minecraft
• 593[03:46:58] <doghumper> reboot
• 594[03:47:01] <joeel84> Yeah doghumper is being a jerk
• 595[03:47:01] <minecraftkid55_> not my hard disk remove
• 596[03:47:06] <doghumper> reboot
• 597[03:47:09] <minecraftkid55_> how do i fix this
• 598[03:47:14] <minecraftkid55_> it's deleting my computer i'm freaking out
• 599[03:47:18] <doghumper> reboot
• 600[03:47:22] <joeel84> It could be related to graphics drivers? Do you know what graphics card you have?
• 601[03:47:23] <minecraftkid55_> i don't trust u
• 602[03:47:25] <jmcnaught> !ops doghumper is trolling
• 603[03:47:25] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: doghumper is trolling
• 604[03:47:25] <BishamonX> dl
• 605[03:47:28] <doghumper> reboot
• 606[03:47:36] <minecraftkid55_> my graphics driver is like amd
• 607[03:47:41] <doghumper> reboot
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• 609[03:47:44] <BishamonX> Don't reboot. Backup your files now while you can.
• 610[03:47:45] <joeel84> Are you using FGLRX?
• 611[03:48:00] <minecraftkid55_> im gonna reboot to se if it fixes it
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• 613[03:48:05] <joeel84> Do that first
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• 615[03:48:09] <Nz17> Press Ctrl+C to stop rm from deleting.
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• 617[03:48:23] <minecraftkid55> ok i joined in on my phone
• 618[03:48:28] <minecraftkid55> my computer isn't working now
• 619[03:48:39] <minecraftkid55> i dont know what to do my dad installed linux on my pc
• 620[03:48:48] <joeel84> If you ran that command you might be borked
• 621[03:48:51] <minecraftkid55> i did
• 622[03:48:56] <BishamonX> Um
• 623[03:49:00] <joeel84> ha oops
• 624[03:49:06] <joeel84> live and learn :(
• 625[03:49:12] <minecraftkid55> but i just wanted minecraft
• 626[03:49:15] <minecraftkid55> and pocket edition cost money
• 627[03:49:18] <daishan> You'll probably need to get your dad to reinstall linux for you...
• 628[03:49:36] <minecraftkid55> oh no but we don't have a disc and it cost money doesn't it
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• 630[03:49:55] <BishamonX> My jedi senses are kind of tingling.
• 631[03:50:02] <minecraftkid55> what do u mean
• 632[03:50:17] <Nz17> He means he think you might be faking your dilemma.
• 633[03:50:25] <minecraftkid55> why
• 634[03:50:27] <Nz17> (Or the voice extinguished thing.)
• 635[03:50:36] <Nz17> (Or the quote about voices being extinguished thing.)
• 636[03:50:42] <BishamonX> lol
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• 639[03:50:51] <minecraftkid55> i don't know what to do
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• 641[03:50:55] <doghumper33> minecraftkid55: did u reboot
• 642[03:51:00] <minecraftkid55> yes
• 643[03:51:03] <minecraftkid55> you jerk ruined my pc
• 644[03:51:08] <doghumper33> hacked
• 645[03:51:12] <minecraftkid55> hacked??
• 646[03:51:15] <minecraftkid55> i got HACKED?
• 647[03:51:18] <doghumper33> yes
• 648[03:51:28] <minecraftkid55> did i?
• 649[03:51:31] <minecraftkid55> did u get ALL my files?
• 650[03:51:33] <doghumper33> yes
• 651[03:51:38] <Nz17> No, you got socially engineered.
• 652[03:51:38] <daishan> !ops trolling continues by doghumper33 and friend
• 653[03:51:38] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: daishan complains about: trolling continues by doghumper33 and friend
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• 655[03:51:46] <doghumper33> !ops poop
• 656[03:51:46] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: doghumper33 complains about: poop
• 657[03:51:46] <doghumper33> !ops poop
• 658[03:51:47] <doghumper33> !ops poop
• 659[03:51:47] <doghumper33> !ops poop
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• 662[03:51:59] <minecraftkid55> but what do i do now
• 663[03:51:59] <bitch> fag
• 664[03:52:02] <minecraftkid55> i can't play minecraft
• 665[03:52:39] <joeel84> Reinstall
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• 667[03:52:53] <Nz17> minecraftkid55: At the moment, you have bigger problems than Minecraft not running. You are going to have to have someone help you reinstall Linux. Thankfully it is free to download.
• 668[03:53:23] <BishamonX> The only reason I doubt it is that you executed a sudo command, that requires authentication. Since you don't have experience in Linux, your dad giving you root access is, odd. However, if you are indeed in trouble and you did execute the rm command, it's all deleted. You can ask your dad to reinstall, Debian is free.
• 669[03:53:35] <joeel84> after that Get FGLRX drivers set up, and then install Minecraft would be my suggestion
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• 671[03:54:08] <minecraftkid55> well i was logged on my dads pc
• 672[03:54:14] <minecraftkid55> he had an easy password like 'a'
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• 674[03:54:30] <Nz17> Hmm, this smells suspicious.
• 675[03:54:36] <BishamonX> Even so, even if logged in. Opening a terminal and using sudo will require re-authintication.
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• 677[03:54:59] <binaryc> good chance the command didn't work. did the screen turn red as it does when deleting important files ?
• 678[03:55:03] <minecraftkid55> his password is a
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• 680[03:55:09] <minecraftkid55> no it didn't
• 681[03:55:15] <BishamonX> binaryc makes an awesome point.
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• 683[03:55:42] <minecraftkid55> my dad had his taxes on the pc he is gonna KILL me
• 684[03:55:52] <BishamonX> Copy any files you need onto a thumbdrive then reboot. The only way to find out.
• 685[03:55:53] <binaryc> in that case reboot and hit cntrl alt F5 and tell us what it says
• 686[03:56:11] <minecraftkid55> i am using a mac
• 687[03:56:13] <minecraftkid55> keyboard
• 688[03:56:15] <minecraftkid55> how do i do that
• 689[03:56:47] <Nz17> Well if this story is real, then hopefully if Dad is smart enough to use Linux, he is smart enough to have good backups.
• 690[03:57:00] <BishamonX> Indeed.
• 691[03:57:18] <binaryc> eh, i'm done unbaiting the baited.
• 692[03:57:30] <minecraftkid55> my dad is dead i tricked you all
• 693[03:57:36] <BishamonX> lol
• 694[03:57:40] <minecraftkid55> there was no PC with linux it was just a mac
• 695[03:57:41] <minecraftkid55> i got you good
• 696[03:57:51] <minecraftkid55> mac is the best OS and you need to convert
• 697[03:57:58] <binaryc> !ops minecraftkid55 is trolling
• 698[03:57:58] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: binaryc complains about: minecraftkid55 is trolling
• 699[03:58:05] <minecraftkid55> no
• 700[03:58:12] <minecraftkid55> !ops ur dumb
• 701[03:58:12] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: minecraftkid55 complains about: ur dumb
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• 704[03:59:08] <BishamonX> My senses are forming a story, that the one suggested rm and the one claiming to have executed it....are the same. Dramatic music!
• 705[03:59:20] <minecraftkid55> !ops i love cum
• 706[03:59:20] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: minecraftkid55 complains about: i love cum
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• 708[03:59:30] <minecraftkid55> !ops i love school cum
• 709[03:59:30] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: minecraftkid55 complains about: i love school cum
• 710[03:59:38] <minecraftkid55> !ops are you gonna cum tomorrow?
• 711[03:59:38] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: minecraftkid55 complains about: are you gonna cum tomorrow
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• 714[04:00:10] <abrotman> perfect timing ..
• 715[04:00:22] <dvs> yay
• 716[04:01:54] <BishamonX> Anyone running Stretch + Gnome?
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• 719[04:03:57] <BishamonX> Updated Gnome to 3.22, though it's conflicting with GTK+ 3.21.5, needs 3.21.6. Specifically Gnome Extensions Settings and Keyboard (Settings)
• 720[04:04:10] <missmbob> !tell BishamonX about debian-next
• 721[04:04:20] <BishamonX> Sweet, thanks.
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• 725[04:05:27] <abrotman> BishamonX: you probably need a full-upgrade
• 726[04:05:34] <abrotman> gnome3.22 entered testing earlier today
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• 729[04:06:08] <BishamonX> It has, and I fully upgraded, though GTK is still on 3.21.5
• 730[04:06:25] <BishamonX> Hopefully 3.21.6 passes on to Testing tomorrow or soon.
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• 748[04:20:35] <YOLOSEWAG> Hey I'm wondering why 'chmod go= FILE' blocks <other> users from using FILE
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• 752[04:22:35] <obelisk29_> Have you looked at $IFS?
• 753[04:22:59] <moncapitane> obelisk29_: who are you talking to?
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• 761[04:25:59] <obelisk29_> I was talking to you but I don't think it would work.
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• 795[04:43:31] <Nz17> Hi guys. I was wondering why it doesn't seem that the English version of the Linux Documentation Project's files are included with Debian anymore. Any info please?
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• 841[05:19:03] <hello> would it be possible to run debian with 512mb ram
• 842[05:19:56] <missmbob> hello: yes. replaced-url
• 843[05:19:57] <Anselmo> yes, but probably not with a normal desktop and such
• 844[05:20:20] <hello> can i use enlightenment or ice
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• 846[05:22:01] <Anselmo> perhaps, I have not particularly used wither of those and cannot easily comment on how much memory they take though
• 847[05:22:43] <blimpy> you could probably get away with something very basic like blackbox
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• 850[05:23:16] <blimpy> icewm was run in the age of 512mb RAM being a standard thing so i'd assume that it's also pretty minimal
• 851[05:23:31] <Anselmo> well, there are a lot of bare bones window managers. . .I use ratpoison which I know can work on that little,
• 852[05:23:36] <Anselmo> but its not for everyone
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• 858[05:27:55] <KomputerKid> you could probably run openbox too
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• 864[05:29:45] <hello> The computer is not for me it's for someone else who does not have the money to upgrade atm
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• 866[05:30:16] <hello> So i'll need to easiest one to use
• 867[05:30:27] <Anselmo> hmm
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• 869[05:30:56] <Anselmo> i3 seems somewhat pupluar, as does openbox
• 870[05:31:17] <Anselmo> icewm might be a bit more conventional, but it looks quite dated, if that would be a problem
• 871[05:31:23] <Anselmo> *popular
• 872[05:31:57] <hello> just need it for web browsing
• 873[05:33:00] <craigsli> It's funny how all those rabbis welcome millions of refugees to everywhere but #Israel, where they want a Jewish nation with Jews only....
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• 877[05:34:29] <tx> Weird question, is there a reason why httpredir always directs me to use some debian mirror in El Salvador?
• 878[05:34:41] <tx> I'm from Australia and I always get ~300kbps from it as a result heh.
• 879[05:34:57] <hello> just change the mirror to au
• 880[05:35:08] <tx> Well duh, there's an obvious fix.
• 881[05:35:16] <tx> That wasn't my question.
• 882[05:35:56] <Anselmo> no idea. . .
• 883[05:35:56] <dvs> The au repo must be slow?
• 884[05:36:36] <tx> netselect-apt seems to pick the AU mirrors.
• 885[05:36:48] <tx> Ah well, I guess it's just black networking magic.
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• 911[06:00:22] <Nomenclatura> Hello. Anybody has tried putting Debian on a ARM phone?
• 912[06:00:45] <Nomenclatura> I wonder about the compatibility and the phone functionality
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• 925[06:13:30] <hello> does broadcom have bad linux support?
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• 931[06:16:52] <moestevens> All of the Broadcom stuff I've used has had drivers.
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• 933[06:17:17] <moestevens> Although I'd believe some of their stuff is proprietary.
• 934[06:20:36] <moestevens> I might swap out my Intel WiFi card for a Broadcom card if I can figure out if it really is proprietary or not
• 935[06:21:04] <moestevens> I mean, the firmware it runs on (b43).
• 936[06:22:29] <Ke> Nomenclatura: if you want open source, really bad, otherwise starting with the ubuntu phones might be easiest
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• 938[06:23:48] <uniTosch> moestevens: nope, b43 needs firmware-b43-installer in non-free which downloads the firmware from whereever broadcom distributes it.
• 939[06:24:15] <moestevens> uniTosch: Heh just read the same thing off the Arch Wiki.
• 940[06:24:32] <moestevens> Meh I'll hold off swapping it unless it's better, somehow.
• 941[06:25:02] <uniTosch> it will likely never be. there are free alternatives^^
• 942[06:25:48] <moestevens> Yeah the ALFA or Atheros cards, I'm just saving for something else.
• 943[06:26:16] <moestevens> Also for the open source phone, I know people who try to get close to that by using a custom Android ROM along with F-Droid.
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• 946[06:26:53] <moestevens> With that I'm pretty sure there'll be something proprietary in there, but it's the easiest to reach in my opinion.
• 947[06:27:15] <Nomenclatura> Ke: Can't afford buying gadgets ;)
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• 949[06:27:46] <Ke> Nomenclatura: anyway expect things to be bad
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• 951[06:28:13] <Ke> check out, how replicant project is doing
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• 953[06:28:43] <Ke> obviously android is a bit more demanding than minimal debian
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• 955[06:29:56] <Nomenclatura> Ke: lol, I just don't know what do you use the phone with
• 956[06:30:35] <Nomenclatura> thanks for the project. I'll check it
• 957[06:31:12] <moestevens> Replicant's really weird, haha. Newest phone supported is the Galaxy S3 and the front camera doesn't work without non-free software.
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• 959[06:32:05] <moestevens> Gotta give some love to the devs for still keeping the project afloat though.
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• 976[06:39:25] <makerman> hi all - can anyone recommend a wwan card for a dell laptop running ubuntu? fastest speed possible on the at&t network would be great... looking for specific model number to get
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• 978[06:39:34] <makerman> already asked in the ubuntu channel but thought id ask here
• 979[06:39:46] <missmbob> !tell makerman about crosspost
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• 983[06:40:05] <missmbob> !tell makerman about ubuntu
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• 985[06:41:12] <moestevens> makerman: If you want cards that have free software drivers, you can check out h-node, I'm pretty sure they should have a WWAN section or the sorts.
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• 990[06:42:20] <makerman> moestevens, thanks im just looking for first hand experience... free or not free is not important for this.. just want it to work well
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• 995[06:44:01] <Elronnd> is there a way to make a prog run fullscreen (as opposed to maximised) if it doesn't have builtin functionality to be fullscreened?
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• 1363[07:24:33] <stoned> Elronnd: which window manager is it?
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• 1367[07:25:09] <stoned> wmctrl is EWMH/NetWM compatible WM and you can control sizing with this
• 1368[07:25:17] <stoned> wmctrl -r ":ACTIVE:" -b toggle,fullscreen
• 1369[07:25:18] <stoned> etc. etc.
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• 1389[07:27:47] <stoned> Elronnd: replaced-url
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• 1391[07:27:54] <stoned> er.. sorry
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• 1416[07:28:56] <stoned> Elronnd: replaced-url
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• 1432[07:31:51] <stoned> Elronnd: if more interested in how to hack the window sizign/placement, check this: replaced-url
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• 1436[07:32:26] <stoned> you can adjust the sript and move the window anywehre else form 0,0, (if you have multiple monitors)
• 1437[07:32:36] <stoned> This should help you get started into figuring all this out.
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• 1442[07:34:07] <stoned> If you want, you can manually put in the argumetns for yoru specific program into window_foreign_new() method and inptu the id of the x window id
• 1443[07:34:25] <stoned> or just adjust w= to whatever you want
• 1444[07:34:58] <stoned> Have fun dude, I'm gonna go and be more stoney
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• 1448[07:36:43] <stoned> Oh, and the funky thing is, I don't even use gtk. Xmonad here. :) Tiling wm. you could try that instead. everything is fullscreen. No goofy window decorateions or controls.
• 1449[07:36:46] <stoned> anyway
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• 1454[07:38:32] <stoned> Elronnd: basically you steal the window away from the window manager and remove decorations, adjust sizing, placement, flush and you're done.
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• 1462[07:42:22] <waynecohen> Jews may use lies (“subterfuges”) to circumvent a Gentile. Baba Kamma 113a. Does this elucidate the Holohoax?
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• 1546[08:22:02] <pingfloyd> why does that dipshit bother #debian of all channels constantly with his moronic antisemitic spam?
• 1547[08:23:05] <jelly> it bothers many large channels
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• 1549[08:23:40] <xar-> greetings
• 1550[08:23:40] <jelly> and apparently a couple smaller ones, judging by #debian-offtopic
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• 1556[08:25:44] <xar-> im trying to rsync a file from one directory to another, same filesystem, same underlying SSD, and it's pitifully slow, any recommendations to improve/tune for performance?
• 1557[08:26:04] <tx> slow eh?
• 1558[08:26:15] <tx> a single file or one, huge file
• 1559[08:26:20] <tx> er
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• 1562[08:26:27] <tx> lots of little files or one, huge file* I meant to say.
• 1563[08:26:36] <xar-> huge file, 35GB
• 1564[08:26:59] <xar-> it ramps up, gets fast for a bit, then crashes, then ramps up again, etc.
• 1565[08:27:00] <tx> if i t's the same block device, why don't you use cp?
• 1566[08:27:21] <xar-> is cp more performant than rsync?
• 1567[08:27:48] <jelly> it doesn't really matter, rsync will do pretty much the same thing as cp with local source and local destination
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• 1570[08:28:08] <tx> xar-: is your CPU going crazy?
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• 1573[08:29:54] <xar-> load average looks good
• 1574[08:29:56] <jelly> xar-: run "vmstat 1" or "iostat -mx 1" in a different tty, pastebin a couple dozen lines. How much RAM do you have?
• 1575[08:29:58] <xar-> %usr looks good
• 1576[08:30:02] <xar-> %sys looks good
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• 1578[08:31:36] <xar-> 32GB of RAM, iowait is fine then all of a sudden bam, it spikes to 100%
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• 1581[08:31:47] <xar-> it comes and goes like a sin() wave lol
• 1582[08:31:52] <tx> No weird storage controller?
• 1583[08:31:56] <tx> No weird caching setup? :P
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• 1586[08:32:10] <jelly> it's possible your storage really has slow writes
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• 1588[08:32:27] <xar-> its a samsung ssd, rated for decent writes (I think)
• 1589[08:32:29] <tx> jelly: it's weird that it would come and go in a wave
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• 1591[08:32:35] <xar-> it's plugged into the mobo sata controller
• 1592[08:32:51] <alocer> jelly, how should tx for e.g. test the prformance of its storage ( i want ot learn )
• 1593[08:33:05] <tx> if it had poor write performance it should stay at a low speed until the write buffer has been cleared no?
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• 1595[08:33:14] <tx> unless it's hitting the buffer size and waiting for it to empty? :P
• 1596[08:33:14] <xar-> I set the io scheduler into noop, but it did jack squat
• 1597[08:33:22] <jelly> tx: well here's the thing
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• 1599[08:33:32] <jelly> xar-: what does "sysctl vm.dirty_background_ratio" say?
• 1600[08:33:48] <xar-> 34,284,011,520 95% 113.89kB/s 3:51:45
• 1601[08:33:53] <xar-> there's the drop in speed again... lol
• 1602[08:33:56] * tx waits for the thing.
• 1603[08:34:00] <alocer> jelly, where did you get "vm.dirty_backgound_ratio" from ?
• 1604[08:34:13] <xar-> jelly: 10
• 1605[08:34:30] <xar-> which I presume is a Jessie default
• 1606[08:34:34] <tx> alocer: performance with or without delayed writes? :P
• 1607[08:34:38] <xar-> I certainly didn't set that, and no idea if that's bad or good value
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• 1609[08:34:50] <vlt> Hello. On a Debian (6) machine there’s an /sbin/getty process on ttyS0. When I kill it a new one appears. Any idea where this is set and how to stop it?
• 1610[08:34:53] <jelly> xar-: so that's 10% of 32GB that kernel caches up, before forcing writes to the device below
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• 1612[08:35:28] <alocer> tx, with delayed writes i think .
• 1613[08:35:32] <jelly> xar-: reduce it to, say, 2, then compare. I'd still like to see that "vmstat 1" output
• 1614[08:35:43] <jelly> before the change, and after
• 1615[08:36:29] <xar-> why would the value change performance?
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• 1617[08:36:41] <vlt> I found a line in /etc/inittab. If I remove that, when will initab be reread?
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• 1621[08:37:13] <xar-> it would buffer less, which would cause less congestion?
• 1622[08:37:24] <jelly> xar-: because the kernel is kind of dumb, and when it starts writing dirty buffers down to one specific device, ALL the io from and to that device suffers
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• 1625[08:37:41] <jelly> at least, it used to do that
• 1626[08:38:37] <jelly> xar-: it's kind of congestion yes, but at the ioscheduler level inside the kernel
• 1627[08:39:06] <xar-> where do I alter the dirty pages, sysctl.conf?
• 1628[08:39:22] <jelly> yes, for a permanent setting
• 1629[08:39:47] <jelly> if you're on jessie, you can make a /etc/sysctl.d/local.conf
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• 1631[08:40:24] <xar-> I am
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• 1633[08:40:50] <xar-> is this the syntax: vm.dirty_backgound_ratio = 2
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• 1635[08:41:27] <xar-> yea that looks correct
• 1636[08:41:31] <jelly> yes. vm.dirty_background_bytes also exists these days, if you prefer an absolute value
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• 1638[08:41:56] * jelly waits for that vmstat and/or iostat
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• 1642[08:44:08] <xar-> jelly: replaced-url
• 1643[08:44:10] <jelly> alocer: got it from a system which exhibited similar symptoms a couple years back
• 1644[08:44:38] <xar-> 3 samples, 1 second apart, you can see how quickly it spikes
• 1645[08:44:44] <jelly> xar-: that's just 3 seconds, not enough to see the pattern repeating
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• 1650[08:46:48] <jelly> (which is why vmstat 1, even if it doesn't show each device separately, is often better for a first quick glance)
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• 1655[08:47:44] <xar-> wow I just saw something interesting, iostat showed all zero's for several seconds, although rsync indicated it was copying at a high speed
• 1656[08:47:56] <xar-> is that the kernel memory magic at work?
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• 1658[08:48:43] <jelly> it's called buffer cache yes
• 1659[08:48:46] <xar-> (vmstat is running)
• 1660[08:48:47] <surfist> silly idea... would comparison of a straight 'cp' make any difference? e.g. no compression
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• 1662[08:49:26] <SwedeMike> xar-: it takes a few seconds before the kernel decides to start writing data to disk generally.
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• 1665[08:50:06] <SwedeMike> xar-: replaced-url
• 1666[08:50:19] <jelly> xar-: iostat ought to have shown reads, tho, unless that part of the source file was in cache already
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• 1668[08:50:24] <xar-> replaced-url
• 1669[08:50:40] <xar-> vmstat
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• 1672[08:51:00] <xar-> so samples 5-15 and 50-60 is where it "gets bad"
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• 1674[08:51:13] <xar-> this is pre-sysctl adjustments, haven't done that yet
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• 1682[08:53:33] <jelly> xar-: observe lines 9-15. Your device accepts writes at about 128MB/s, then at lines 12-15 you see iowait of 24% -- this means you have a 4 core system, and one core is completely stuck waiting for IO to finish. Your ssd has to actually think for a bit when suddenly given half-a-gig writes to process, and it does that during lines 12-15 or so
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• 1685[08:54:03] <xar-> replaced-url
• 1686[08:54:13] <xar-> updated paste, lines 33-40
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• 1689[08:55:30] <jelly> xar-: that looks nice
• 1690[08:56:06] <xar-> oh crap, I forgot I used a bwlimit on my rsync command
• 1691[08:56:07] <jelly> pretty crappy reads of 40MB/s, but that may be some other process
• 1692[08:56:16] <jelly> ha
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• 1696[08:56:36] <xar-> ugh my fault, it was an effort from earlier to try to get control of the system
• 1697[08:56:41] <xar-> i'll remove the option
• 1698[08:56:45] <xar-> and run a new test
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• 1700[08:57:27] <jelly> I'd limit dirty_background_* to not more than 200-300MB (so 1% or use the _bytes tunable)
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• 1709[08:58:45] <xar-> replaced-url
• 1710[08:58:50] <xar-> no rsync bwlimit
• 1711[08:58:54] <jelly> maybe also consider doing a "secure erase" of the ssd and leaving 10-15% unpartitioned and unused, see if that helps its firmware being better at writes
• 1712[08:59:27] <jelly> xar-: but now the beginning of the file is cached
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• 1714[08:59:53] <xar-> performance is jumping around
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• 1716[09:00:04] <xar-> 400MB -> 4MB
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• 1721[09:01:06] <jelly> to try and get rid of cache effects, sysctl -w vm.drop_caches=3, then wait a couple seconds, then try anew
• 1722[09:01:16] <xar-> replaced-url
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• 1724[09:01:19] <xar-> lines 15 - 35
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• 1728[09:01:24] <xar-> im pretty sure this one isn't cached
• 1729[09:01:26] <jelly> or echo 3 >> /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
• 1730[09:01:26] <truthwhistle> replaced-url
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• 1743[09:04:01] <xar-> ok drop_caches at 3
• 1744[09:04:05] <xar-> restarting rsync
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• 1753[09:05:56] <xar-> holy crap
• 1754[09:06:15] <xar-> that... helped, i mean its still fluctuating, but its much better, more consistent, less jumpy
• 1755[09:07:02] <xar-> i'll let it run a bit, see what does
• 1756[09:07:09] <xar-> what it* does
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• 1762[09:07:16] <jelly> yeah, you can play with that, and maybe set iosched to deadline or noop... you already tried noop
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• 1765[09:08:11] <xar-> the peaks are better, but it still bottoms out
• 1766[09:08:16] <jelly> other tunables didn't seem to make a lot of difference, but I last played with this a couple years ago
• 1767[09:08:18] <xar-> replaced-url
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• 1769[09:09:03] <jelly> looks like your ssd being slow _after_ it accepted writes
• 1770[09:09:25] <xar-> its a samsung 850 evo
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• 1772[09:09:29] <xar-> that a known issue?
• 1773[09:10:02] <jelly> the thing is, ssd vendors and their firmware lie
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• 1777[09:10:52] <jelly> linux kernel just compounds the problem
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• 1785[09:11:58] <jelly> so unless you buy an enterprise-level ssd at 10-20x the price, I _guess_ you'll see similar issues on most consumer ones
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• 1789[09:12:55] <xar-> any recommendations?
• 1790[09:13:02] <jelly> xar-: the writes are fast until you make about the amount of total writes the size of the whole device, then performance goes down
• 1791[09:13:07] <xar-> as in particular vendor, Intel?
• 1792[09:13:16] <jelly> sorry, no
• 1793[09:13:56] <jelly> you don't know how _much_ it goes down before you actually make that amount of writes on the new device
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• 1795[09:14:17] <jelly> I guess you're seeing the "mature" level of performance
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• 1797[09:14:41] <zln> Hello guys. I'm running debian 8 game server on a virtualbox vm. It was working fine till I moved the vm to another computer on a different site. Now everytime I boot it I get a "A start job is running for LBS: rais network interface". After the vm boots completely I then have to log in and restart network services to get a connection. I have dhcp configured in /etc/network/interfaces
• 1798[09:14:46] <xar-> I did the sysctl change, watching that now
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• 1801[09:15:15] <zln> Anyone recognising this and know how to resolve it?
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• 1805[09:15:51] <xar-> the peaks are lower, but no bottoming out
• 1806[09:15:53] <xar-> :D
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• 1808[09:16:47] <bbr0ther_> :DD
• 1809[09:16:54] <xar-> I was getting max 250MB/sec pre-systctl dirty change, now im getting max ~175MB/sec, but it hasn't bottomed out not once
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• 1812[09:17:17] <zln> btw it's configured to bridged network. Hos is win10
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• 1816[09:18:42] <xar-> jelly: replaced-url
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• 1818[09:18:49] <jelly> zln: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces
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• 1822[09:19:32] <xar-> now the question is, can I set the drop_caches back to 0, will the dirty systctl performance persist...
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• 1825[09:20:14] <jelly> xar-: drop_caches is just a trigger, it's only active the moment you set to non-zero
• 1826[09:20:26] <xar-> ah
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• 1829[09:20:32] <xar-> what do you make of the new data?
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• 1831[09:20:58] <xar-> the transition between 'bi' and 'bo' seems much smoother, versus the previous pastebins
• 1832[09:21:06] <xar-> or am i misreading
• 1833[09:21:15] <zln> jelly I'm have not access to it right now but it's standard auto lo and auto eth0, auto-howplug eth0 iface eth0 dhcp something like that
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• 1836[09:21:49] <jelly> xar-: you can still see the ssd getting stuck and iowait going to 25% and above, but since there's less total MB to write I guess it gets unstack faster
• 1837[09:21:59] <arturo> do you know any tool to help in sorting photos?
• 1838[09:22:18] <jelly> zln: oh, so the bridge is on the VM host side?
• 1839[09:22:30] <zln> jelly yes
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• 1842[09:22:42] <xar-> yes, it does get unstuck faster, that's what if "feels" like
• 1843[09:22:50] <xar-> seemingly anyways
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• 1845[09:23:31] <jelly> xar-: you could lower dirty_background_* even more but at some point you're going to get lower total average writes
• 1846[09:25:11] <xar-> but what you're saying, 10,000 ft glance, this is an architectural problem with the SSD, the iowait is indicative of some... inefficiency in the firmware or the device itself?
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• 1848[09:25:35] <xar-> (the kernel simply exacerbates the issue?)
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• 1852[09:26:08] <xar-> just want to make sure im following correctly; I'm willing to throw money at this problem lol
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• 1854[09:26:56] <jelly> I suspect it's both. The kernel, last time I checked, didn't even _try_ to issue any reads while dirty writes were getting flushed
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• 1856[09:27:20] <xar-> interesting
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• 1859[09:28:37] <jelly> not possible to see if ssd delays the final response for those writes, or if it delays the next read
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• 1861[09:29:30] <jelly> if it's the latter, you can blame the SSD more, if former, you can blame the kernel for not even trying
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• 1863[09:30:04] <xar-> so earlier, the dirty ratio was at 10, since I have 32GB of RAM, it would buffer 3.2GB in memory, then try very poorly to write 3.2GB of data to the filesystem
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• 1865[09:30:12] <jelly> yes
• 1866[09:30:55] <jelly> (well, 3.2GB to the block device; iosched doesn't know which writes are data and which and fs metadata)
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• 1871[09:33:16] <xar-> hmm
• 1872[09:33:17] <jelly> a SLC based SSD probably wouldn't have to delay (that much). Also, having a separate source and destination device would not stop reads from source
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• 1879[09:35:55] <xar-> set the scheduler to deadline, monitoring that
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• 1881[09:36:00] <jelly> it's possible kernel people have also done things in the meantime to make streaming reads and writes to same device better
• 1882[09:36:30] <xar-> I take the kernels that you all give me ;)
• 1883[09:36:42] <jelly> try asking in ##kernel here or #kernelnewbies on OFTC
• 1884[09:36:47] <xar-> I'm guessing I'll be on 3.16 for a while lol
• 1885[09:37:08] <jelly> there's a 4.6 in jessie-backports
• 1886[09:37:18] <jelly> !jessie-backports
• 1887[09:37:18] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
• 1888[09:37:21] <jelly> !bdo kernel
• 1889[09:37:22] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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• 1892[09:37:30] <xar-> not sure how I feel about that lol
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• 1894[09:37:43] <xar-> backports scare me!
• 1895[09:37:45] <jelly> probably won't make a difference, but who knows
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• 1897[09:38:13] <xar-> so the change from noop to deadline doesn't have any observeable impact as far as I can tell
• 1898[09:38:40] <xar-> maybe slightly better
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• 1900[09:38:56] <xar-> i'm gonna tweak the dirty from 2 to 5
• 1901[09:38:59] <jelly> I think I've only seen any difference with a bigger number of parallel IO
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• 1903[09:39:23] <jelly> xar-: I was thinking "1" not "5", 5 is going to make things worse
• 1904[09:39:40] <xar-> I thought you said if it went to low, I'd sacrifice write speed
• 1905[09:39:57] <jelly> best go try things on your own
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• 1907[09:40:04] <xar-> :)
• 1908[09:40:41] <xar-> yes 5 made it worse
• 1909[09:40:43] * xar- eats words
• 1910[09:41:16] <jelly> sometimes you prefer total bandwidth, sometimes you want better latency (which often translates to "responsiveness")
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• 1913[09:41:54] <xar-> any performance gains to be had if say... I bought a second SSD and striped them in a RAID?
• 1914[09:42:39] <xar-> or would I still hit this wall? maybe a mobo controller limit?
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• 1918[09:43:25] <jelly> you could push 1GB onto a raid0 or two similar devices before they get stuck, instead of 500MB ?
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• 1920[09:43:59] <jelly> (assuming there are no other bottlenecks)
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• 1922[09:44:38] <jelly> of* two similar devices
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• 1927[09:45:26] <xar-> interesting
• 1928[09:45:54] <xar-> I set dirty ratio to 1, I think it's a healthy balance of responsiveness and peak write speed
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• 1972[10:03:14] <Ronmo> _ephesius, The upped vaccine schedule, a plan to completely corrupt and make vulnerable any children who could be a challenge to the status quo perpetrators? 69 baby vaccines. Nefarious methinks. Jew World Order here we come.
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• 1994[10:14:42] <xar-> thank you for your assistance jelly
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• 2002[10:20:01] <detoni> i messed up my installation by trying to downgrade from testing to stable and doing dist-upgrade -- a lot of packages were uninstalled including linux kernel. so i cannot boot my system anymore; is there a way i can fix it without formatting and doing a fresh install?
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• 2010[10:23:32] <Mahe> detoni: I guess you could boot a debian live image and chroot into the broken system, install the kernel and rebuild the initramfs, grub stuff etc.
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• 2017[10:25:36] <detoni> Mahe: booting a live image i can do but the rest? is it easy?
• 2018[10:25:49] <detoni> chroot into the broken system?
• 2019[10:25:59] <Mahe> detoni: it's not that hard actually
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• 2022[10:26:49] <Mahe> detoni: it's similar to this replaced-url
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• 2025[10:27:33] <Mahe> detoni: the important stuff is line #1 to #6 (the chroot command)
• 2026[10:27:46] <detoni> Mahe: i only need one mount command if i have only one partition right?
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• 2028[10:27:53] <Mahe> no
• 2029[10:28:02] <detoni> Mahe: after the chroot command, i can use apt-get and such?
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• 2031[10:28:22] <Mahe> you need to mount proc, dev and sys as well (note that they are subdirs in the mounted file system!)
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• 2033[10:29:10] <Mahe> detoni: yes, after the chroot command you are virtually working on your broken system
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• 2035[10:29:42] <detoni> ok i will try, thanks
• 2036[10:29:48] <Mahe> make sure that you replace the /dev/sda1 in the guide with the root partition of your broken system
• 2037[10:29:51] <pragomer_1> question: do jessie gnome and mate work well together if I would additionally install mate on my gnome-productive-system? Or shouldnt I better not "mix" these two DEs ?
• 2038[10:30:15] <detoni> Mahe: right, everything else is the same right?
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• 2042[10:32:24] <Mahe> detoni: as long as you keep '/mnt' as the mount target, yes
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• 2066[10:48:12] <iamawesome> Hi, the dvd rom has "RW" written in front, can i write .iso to a blank dvd with this?
• 2067[10:48:30] <iamawesome> Compact disk rewritable
• 2068[10:49:13] <bezaban> yep
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• 2070[10:50:32] <iamawesome> I got this: replaced-url
• 2071[10:51:03] <iamawesome> Can write MRW:1 , what is MRW ?
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• 2074[10:51:48] <bezaban> replaced-url
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• 2078[10:52:27] <CipherZero> :)
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• 2082[10:53:46] <iamawesome> bezaban: So can this dvd rom write to blank dvd?
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• 2085[10:54:05] <iamawesome> It has zero here: Can write DVD-R:0
• 2086[10:54:20] <iamawesome> Also this: Can write DVD-RAM:0
• 2087[10:54:22] <bezaban> iamawesome: looks like it can't write, if it is a ROM (read only!) then you can not write with that device
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• 2091[10:55:19] <bezaban> but I am not very up to date on CDs/DVDs, it's been a while since I've had much to do with them :)
• 2092[10:56:03] <iamawesome> bezaban: I think, it's dvd RW
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• 2095[10:57:30] <afx_> Hello ! I am using jessie/gnome with Adwaita theme. Sometimes after reboots the theme and appearance change randomly to some other GTK theme (don't know which , but certainly not Adwaita ) . How can I troubleshoot this ?
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• 2121[11:11:33] <tomreyn> afx_: see if there's anything related in ~/.xsession-errors or in /var/log/Xorg*.log
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• 2123[11:11:50] <afx_> tomreyn, ok let me check . thank you
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• 2132[11:15:55] <TomyWork> I'm using lightdm. Is there a way to get a VNC session that encompasses everything from login to regular desktop and still shows up on the actual screen?
• 2133[11:16:15] <TomyWork> basically i want the VNC session to reflect what's on the actual screen
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• 2135[11:17:03] <TomyWork> doesnt need to be VNC, can be some other protocol, as long as there's a windows client for it :)
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• 2147[11:20:18] <tomreyn> TomyWork: you are possibly looking for xvnc, i can't help with the configuration, though.
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• 2149[11:20:41] <TomyWork> tomreyn isnt xvnc used *instead* of a real display?
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• 2151[11:21:02] <afx_> tomreyn, in .xsession-error I have : "cannot connect to brltty at :0"
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• 2153[11:21:25] <afx_> Don't know what to look for in Xorg*.log files though
• 2154[11:21:58] <afx_> One possible solution found here replaced-url
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• 2157[11:23:02] <tomreyn> TomyWork: xvnc replaces the x server, allowing output to both the local screen and a VNC client
• 2158[11:23:23] <TomyWork> ah
• 2159[11:23:35] <TomyWork> lightdm supports xvnc directly, let me try that then
• 2160[11:23:38] <tomreyn> afx_: the brltty is about braille support, it's irrelevant here
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• 2163[11:24:06] <afx_> tomreyn, ok
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• 2165[11:24:14] <tomreyn> afx_: in Xorg*.log, look for lines which contain (EE)
• 2166[11:24:14] <afx_> shall I post the output of Xorg.log?
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• 2168[11:24:18] <TomyWork> tomreyn do you happen to know the package name for xvnc?
• 2169[11:24:27] <afx_> tomreyn, ok let me try this
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• 2171[11:24:44] <tomreyn> TomyWork: not OTOH, no
• 2172[11:26:54] <TomyWork> vnc4server: /usr/bin/Xvnc4
• 2173[11:27:08] <tomreyn> TomyWork: that or replaced-url
• 2174[11:27:11] <Drzacek> Hi
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• 2176[11:27:29] <TomyWork> well x11vnc is a client application
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• 2180[11:28:41] <tomreyn> "VNC server to allow remote access to an existing X session"
• 2181[11:28:54] <TomyWork> i mean an x11 client
• 2182[11:28:55] <afx_> tomreyn, there are several . I post this here : paste.debian.net/841846/ so that you can have a look , if you can
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• 2184[11:29:03] <jim> Drzacek, hi
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• 2186[11:29:26] <Drzacek> Can I make a script to run as sudo with mouse click (not from terminal)? I tried with sudo and gksudo, it doesn't work - the script does what I need when I run it in terminal, but not when I execute it with mouse click
• 2187[11:30:02] <TomyWork> gksudo should do the trick, Drzacek
• 2188[11:30:06] <TomyWork> double-check your link
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• 2190[11:30:31] <jim> Drzacek, any idea why it doesn't work?
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• 2193[11:32:05] <Drzacek> TomyWork, the gksudo prompt show up, but it doesn't do anything (obviously doesn't edit the files I wanted)
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• 2196[11:32:47] <tomreyn> afx_: i have to go for a while, but try to find out what causes this: /dev/dri/card0: failed to set DRM interface version 1.4: Permission denied
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• 2201[11:35:28] <Mahe> Drzacek: depending on how you 'execute it with mouse click' it might be an issue with the working directory and relative paths
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• 2204[11:36:20] <TomyWork> ok forget Xvnc
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• 2207[11:36:26] <TomyWork> it totally and utterly failed
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• 2209[11:36:39] <TomyWork> i'll use x11vnc and figure out a way to autostart it
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• 2211[11:38:49] <afx_> tomreyn, ok I will ! Thank you !
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• 2219[11:40:51] <afx_> tomreyn, it's bumblebee related
• 2220[11:41:00] <afx_> replaced-url
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• 2222[11:42:43] <Drzacek> I tried for a file that doesnt need sudo and edited my script so it doesnt use sudo - it works, so I guess it's not the paths
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• 2236[11:49:09] <DishEater> i need the most basic help regarding tar. i have a huge directory full of other directories and image files / uncompressed audio. i need to make it as small as tar / gunzip / etc can reasonably make it but i'm having issues with understanding the tar syntax and how to properly integrate it with bz / gz
• 2237[11:49:25] <afx_> tomreyn, After applying this fix and rebooting the Adwaita theme restored correctly , but the error in /var/log/Xorg*.log still persists...
• 2238[11:50:09] <DishEater> should i be using bz or gunzip ... or both?
• 2239[11:50:20] <tomreyn> afx_: the record in /var/log/Xorg*.log could be an old one, from a previous X run.
• 2240[11:51:05] <afx_> tomreyn, ah ok ! how can I be sure that this is old ? with dmesg perhaps ? Pls forgive my ignorance !
• 2241[11:52:58] <DishEater> hmm ok i guess i just need bzip
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• 2244[11:53:55] <DishEater> will tar/bz run multiple threads / on multiple cores?
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• 2252[11:59:08] <DishEater> i need to compress a huge dataset and i'm trying to get -W to work with tar (verify archive) but i can't figure out hte proper syntax
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• 2260[12:01:18] <Drzacek> Maybe I just append to file wrong. I tried echo "text" >> file, but then I get permission denied error, I tried echo "text" | sudo tee -a file, which works (in terminal), but with gksudo the file itself is being erased completely
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• 2265[12:02:18] <DishEater> nevermind. i got it with --verify but no output
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• 2267[12:04:13] <babilen> Drzacek: Both should work if run as root
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• 2269[12:05:31] <babilen> Drzacek: You can use multiple cores with, say, pbzip2, pigz or pixz
• 2270[12:05:46] <babilen> DishEater: ^
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• 2275[12:07:03] <babilen> DishEater: Something like "tar -c --use-compress-program=pigz -f foo.tar.gz dir_to_zip"
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• 2277[12:07:12] <DishEater> run as root? for what? verify? what about tar -cjf? will that run on a single core or multiple?
• 2278[12:07:23] <DishEater> why would i have to run as root?
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• 2280[12:07:46] <babilen> DishEater: The comment about root was meant for Drzacek
• 2281[12:07:51] <babilen> (as indicated)
• 2282[12:07:52] <DishEater> oic
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• 2284[12:09:15] <babilen> DishEater: If you use -cjf it won't be run in parallel, whereas the command I mentioned would use pigz (or any of the other parallel versions I mentioned earlier)
• 2285[12:09:36] <babilen> -j essentially corresponds to --use-compress-program=bzip2
• 2286[12:10:28] <DishEater> right, ok. know anything about --verify? i'm getting "Cannot verify compressed archives" errors with my syntax
• 2287[12:11:16] <babilen> You obviously can't verify compressed archives
• 2288[12:11:41] <DishEater> what? I don't understand. i want it to verify the integrity of the archive after compression
• 2289[12:11:49] <DishEater> (i'm compressing a huge dataset)
• 2290[12:12:25] <babilen> My interpretation of the above error message is that you cannot verify compressed archives (as opposed to uncompressed ones)
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• 2293[12:13:02] <DishEater> ...oh... so i can verify that an archive has extracted properly, but not that it has compressed properly?
• 2294[12:13:12] <DishEater> with --verify
• 2295[12:13:27] <DishEater> would that be your understanding of it?
• 2296[12:13:35] <Ticho> "tar cWf file.tar listoffiles" works just fine with verification
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• 2298[12:13:43] <Ticho> add "v" to options to actually see each file verified
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• 2300[12:14:34] <DishEater> ....oh.... must be the order of my options...
• 2301[12:14:47] <babilen> You can use "tar -tzf ..." to list files in a compressed one
• 2302[12:14:59] <babilen> Ticho: That doesn't create a compressed one
• 2303[12:16:37] <babilen> DishEater: In the end: Proper verification can be achieved by unpacking the archive and comparing hashsums against the original files
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• 2305[12:17:06] <DishEater> ok, so --verify is not what i am looking for
• 2306[12:17:17] <DishEater> alright. all good. should get packing.
• 2307[12:17:18] <babilen> What *are* you looking for?
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• 2309[12:18:09] <babilen> Do you just want to know if you created an archive you can unpack later on? (tar -tzf / tar -tjf / .... would achieve that)
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• 2312[12:19:03] <DishEater> yeah basically
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• 2314[12:20:05] <babilen> Use tar -tzf then (use the appropriate one for your compression algorithm)
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• 2322[12:22:44] <DishEater> 8 core 3.2ghz packing away with pbzip2
• 2323[12:22:55] <DishEater> yay
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• 2326[12:23:48] <Drzacek> Ok, I solved my problem, made the appending to file part as separate script, then other script with just sudo ./myscript.sh
• 2327[12:24:00] <Drzacek> gksudo ./myscript.sh
• 2328[12:24:24] <Drzacek> don't know why gksudo echo "text" >> myfile didn't work, but I can live with this solution
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• 2332[12:26:17] <babilen> Drzacek: That's why I asked if you run it as root
• 2333[12:26:18] <DishEater> awe it appears that my hard drive is the bottle neck, not my cpu
• 2334[12:26:36] <DishEater> oh wait, no it just finished before i checked. that was fast.
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• 2336[12:26:59] <babilen> Drzacek: You are not, which is why you are getting an error. The command you run is parsed as (gksudo echo "text")
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• 2338[12:27:08] <babilen> >> myfile
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• 2342[12:27:34] <babilen> So the command "echo 'text'" is being run as root, while the I/O redirection is *not*
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• 2345[12:28:12] <Drzacek> babilen, yes, I do understand why I get the error and what happened. The problem was, I have no idea how to run the >> redirection as sudo
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• 2353[12:33:09] <jelly> Drzacek: the shell doing the redirection would have to run as root
• 2354[12:33:50] <jelly> shdo sh -c 'echo 3 >> /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches'
• 2355[12:34:00] <jelly> sudo sh -c 'echo 3 >> /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches'
• 2356[12:34:08] <jelly> too much sh on my mind
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• 2358[12:35:46] <sireorion> hey guys and girls... I need the iso for Debian amd64 whezzy (7).. can only find debian 8 iso everywhere
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• 2360[12:35:59] <DishEater> babilen: interesting fact: gunzip ended up being faster and taking slightly less space.
• 2361[12:36:18] <DishEater> sireorion: USE SYSTEMD
• 2362[12:36:32] <Drzacek> jelly, yes, that works, but now try with gksudo
• 2363[12:36:44] <sireorion> DishEater: ?
• 2364[12:36:50] * DishEater prods sireorion with a sharp stick
• 2365[12:37:05] <jelly> !wheezy iso
• 2366[12:37:05] <dpkg> Debian 7 "Wheezy" installation images are available from replaced-url
• 2367[12:37:10] <DishEater> sireorion: oh i thought you were using wheezy because sysvinit
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• 2369[12:37:32] <sireorion> aah nice function
• 2370[12:37:43] <sireorion> tnx jelly
• 2371[12:38:03] <jelly> DishEater: not everything is about systemd, dude
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• 2376[12:38:48] <DishEater> jelly: yeah i know :-< i just like to feel special.
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• 2381[12:40:13] <DishEater> jelly: i mean, i know that sometimes you have to put disputes about systemd aside so that you can experience other things in life, like compressing a huge dataset of incriminating data on an ex girlfriend (including nudes) so that you can distribute the dataset on a tor hidden service
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• 2383[12:40:39] * DishEater would never do that though
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• 2387[12:42:09] <DishEater> hmm... after i zipped it compressed it twice with gunzip, the sha256sums of the resulting files are different. is that... normal?
• 2388[12:42:26] <babilen> twice?
• 2389[12:42:26] <DishEater> i would have presumed that it would be the same
• 2390[12:42:39] <babilen> It is not unusual for tarballs to be different
• 2391[12:42:48] <DishEater> oic... ok.
• 2392[12:43:14] <babilen> Which is why you have to unpack them and compare the actual files individually if you really want to verify them.
• 2393[12:43:23] <DishEater> it's only the gunzip that is like that. the bzip2 is identical
• 2394[12:43:38] <DishEater> if i do the gunzip a third time, will it probably be a third value?
• 2395[12:43:49] <DishEater> i guess i'll distribute the bzip
• 2396[12:44:42] <DishEater> the bzip2 is only about 2% larger in size than the gunzip
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• 2401[12:47:26] <DishEater> final question: after I "split" a file, how can I re-join it?
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• 2408[12:49:03] <DishEater> can't get any indicator from "man split" on how to re-join. i could of course just use pipelining for whatever purpose, but if i actually want to re-create the file... how is the best way to go about that? ...could i just "cat a >> file ; cat b >> file"?
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• 2412[12:50:29] <petemc> DishEater: yes cat works
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• 2415[12:50:47] <petemc> ive used cat file{a..g} >> newfile
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• 2417[12:51:28] <DishEater> ok cool
• 2418[12:51:37] <DishEater> that's good enough for me
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• 2422[12:53:38] <PaulFertser> helmut
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• 2425[12:54:18] <DishEater> PaulFertser: yes
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• 2428[12:55:13] <PaulFertser> I'm helping Oleksij Rempel to get ath9k_htc free software firmware accepted into Debian. I sort of prepared the necessary debian/* and want to discuss with Helmut (or probably someone else) the next steps. Reviewing my work would be also much appreciated.
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• 2430[12:56:16] <PaulFertser> Feel free to git clone replaced-url
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• 2440[13:02:22] <uniTosch> PaulFertser: are you maybe looking for #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net ? ^^
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• 2460[13:11:08] <CipherZero> vol_id --uuid /dev/sda1 -su: vol_id: command not found <—— what’s wron?
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• 2462[13:11:10] <CipherZero> g
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• 2482[13:19:40] <jelly> CipherZero: which debian release are you using?
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• 2485[13:20:18] <CipherZero> how can i know it?
• 2486[13:20:20] <CipherZero> i don’t know
• 2487[13:20:25] <jelly> !debian suite
• 2488[13:20:26] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
• 2489[13:20:45] <CipherZero> 8.5
• 2490[13:20:50] <CipherZero> 8.5 is new?
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• 2493[13:21:50] <jelly> CipherZero: vol_id command doesn't exist since... before debian 6
• 2494[13:22:04] <CipherZero> oh good
• 2495[13:22:12] <CipherZero> thanks anyway 8.5 is newest?
• 2496[13:22:15] <jelly> what are you trying to do?
• 2497[13:22:22] <Mahe> 8.6 is current
• 2498[13:22:25] <CipherZero> just studying.
• 2499[13:22:33] <jelly> CipherZero: you can patch it up to 8.6
• 2500[13:22:35] <CipherZero> oh
• 2501[13:22:40] <CipherZero> ok
• 2502[13:22:48] <CipherZero> apt-get install update?
• 2503[13:23:09] <Mahe> apt-get upgrade
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• 2506[13:23:30] <jelly> CipherZero: aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade
• 2507[13:23:43] <CipherZero> good
• 2508[13:23:46] <jelly> or apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
• 2509[13:24:01] <jelly> CipherZero: studying what?
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• 2511[13:24:04] <CipherZero> thanks Mahe and jelly ;)
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• 2514[13:24:13] <CipherZero> replaced-url
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• 2517[13:24:53] <Mahe> * 'apt-get update' before 'apt-get upgrade' actually
• 2518[13:25:09] <Mahe> nvm
• 2519[13:25:11] <CipherZero> ok
• 2520[13:25:15] <jelly> Mahe: and just upgrade often isn't enough
• 2521[13:25:45] <CipherZero> 64G storage is short?
• 2522[13:25:50] <CipherZero> 128G is good?
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• 2525[13:26:24] <jelly> CipherZero: depends on what you install and what you plan to run
• 2526[13:27:06] <CipherZero> anyway if i do hacker, then i must master linux?
• 2527[13:27:11] <jelly> 4G might be enough for a small VPS. 32G might be enough for a laptop or workstation system
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• 2530[13:28:02] <jelly> do... hacker? Not sure what that means
• 2531[13:28:19] <CipherZero> white hacker
• 2532[13:28:24] <CipherZero> instead of black.
• 2533[13:29:12] <jelly> if you want to work in computer security you will need excellent knowledge of OS fundamentals and programming skills
• 2534[13:29:24] <Mahe> depends on what you want to 'hack' but I guess mastering linux and networking is a starting point
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• 2536[13:30:01] <jelly> whether it's linux or windows or netbsd is probably less important in the long run
• 2537[13:30:29] <bezaban> all of them help ;)
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• 2539[13:30:50] <jelly> sure, right now, but in 5-10 years, who knows
• 2540[13:30:57] <bezaban> chromeos :(
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• 2542[13:32:49] <Mahe> isn't chromeos just another linux basically?
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• 2557[13:39:36] <CipherZero> cat /etc/debian_version 8.6 ;)
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• 2570[13:43:40] <CipherZero> Redundant Array of Independent (originally Inexpensive) Disks or RAID can be set up using hardware or software. <——— what is ‘Redundant Array’?
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• 2603[13:56:53] <Mahe> I guess that means a setup of multiple storage devices (disks) where there are more disks than the system actually needs to function correctly, thus one or more disks being redundant - i.e. the system works without them. But those redundant disks often carry a duplicate of the data of other disks (or parts of it) so in case of a disk failure, there's always another disks which can provide the same data so that data isn't lost.
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• 2615[14:02:15] <CipherZero> what is multipathing?
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• 2618[14:03:17] <abrotman> for disk?
• 2619[14:03:37] <CipherZero> yum install device-mapper-multipath
• 2620[14:03:46] <jelly> replaced-url
• 2621[14:03:48] <CipherZero> This will create a sample multipath.conf in /usr/share/doc/device-mapper-multipath-0.4.9/multipath.conf.
• 2622[14:03:54] <CipherZero> thanks jelly
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• 2624[14:04:05] <abrotman> Are we asking RHEL support questoins here now ?
• 2625[14:04:13] <jelly> CipherZero: "yum" means "we're not talking about debian"
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• 2627[14:04:28] <CipherZero> ok
• 2628[14:04:38] <CipherZero> Chapter 13. introduction to multipathing
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• 2630[14:05:09] <abrotman> CipherZero: Do you need help with Debian? We don't need a play-by-play of your personal reading list.
• 2631[14:05:32] <CipherZero> don’t worry. i m not n00bs
• 2632[14:05:35] <CipherZero> abrotman:
• 2633[14:05:48] <abrotman> Evidence may disagree
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• 2639[14:09:37] <jelly> CipherZero: if you're on Debian you may want to read replaced-url
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• 2642[14:10:14] <CipherZero> great. i don’t have known it yet. thanks jelly
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• 2647[14:11:22] <jelly> also I've got two fc san switches and a dozen fc hbas for a very very cheap price of $400 (but no storage array to play with)
• 2648[14:11:34] <jelly> then you can learn about multipath
• 2649[14:12:11] <CipherZero> $400
• 2650[14:12:15] <CipherZero> i have no money
• 2651[14:12:21] <CipherZero> :|
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• 2653[14:12:36] <CipherZero> i can buy it if price is $0.99
• 2654[14:13:21] <jelly> the shipping alone is more than $0.99 unless you're in the capital of croatia
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• 2656[14:14:04] <CipherZero> croatia lol i m afraid of east Europe. i heard that there is many european gang.
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• 2660[14:16:55] <abrotman> you can learn about multipath more cheaply than that
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• 2662[14:17:40] <CipherZero> ok abrotman
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• 2665[14:18:04] <jelly> yes lots of gangs, on every corner >_>
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• 2675[14:21:22] <CipherZero> :|
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• 2677[14:21:50] <jelly> whatever shall I do with these 2Gbps switches then
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• 2679[14:23:43] <uniTosch> go dumpster diving for an enclosure? ^^
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• 2703[14:32:55] <TomyWork> is the /etc/network/interfaces method of setting up a static IP (as described on replaced-url
• 2704[14:33:11] <frozengeek> hey all, quick Q: am I to expect abi breakage with stable (jessie) dot releases? We run quiet a bit of "manually" compiled code and are wondering if we need to plan on rebuilding on every dot release.
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• 2706[14:34:03] <teraflops> TomyWork: yes
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• 2711[14:36:20] <th0r> frozengeek, not with every release, but there is a good possibility that at some point a release will cause problems for compiled code. That is why a lot of servers run older OS releases
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• 2713[14:37:12] <TomyWork> teraflops hmm no i dont think so. it says here in /etc/network/interfaces that connman should be used
• 2714[14:37:45] <teraflops> TomyWork: no i dont think so
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• 2720[14:38:10] <ksk> teraflops: if you have a desktop /network manager installed you cannot change it manually in e/n/i
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• 2722[14:38:22] <ksk> has been like this since before systemd
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• 2724[14:38:28] <teraflops> TomyWork: use whatever floats your goat. /e/n/i method oa fine too
• 2725[14:38:48] <TomyWork> # CONNMAN is installed on this system. Please dont use ifup/down.
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• 2727[14:39:03] <teraflops> ksk: so what. i just answered his question
• 2728[14:39:15] <teraflops> t
• 2729[14:39:18] <teraflops> ooops
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• 2731[14:39:38] <teraflops> you didn't say anything about conman
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• 2734[14:39:56] <TomyWork> i thought that is standard fare with systemd
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• 2736[14:40:12] <frozengeek> th0r: ok, just wanted to know what to expect, if we should expect abi changes, then we'll just recompile on every dot release.
• 2737[14:40:13] <teraflops> huh
• 2738[14:41:01] <th0r> frozengeek, every now and then a library will be updated. Sometimes that will give you issues, sometimes not...no way to know ahead of time.
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• 2744[14:43:42] <teraflops> at some point abi changes. you'll have to recompile shit. on debian or whatever. unless you stick with jessie forever
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• 2750[14:44:56] <CipherZero> dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb <—— i can copy all content of storage to usb?
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• 2753[14:45:11] <TehRabbitt> any idea if this was patched in the latest OpenSSL? replaced-url
• 2754[14:45:22] <TehRabbitt> according to the package tracker it's still on Rev-i
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• 2761[14:46:39] <uniTosch> TehRabbitt: replaced-url
• 2762[14:46:49] <TehRabbitt> ah :\
• 2763[14:46:54] <TehRabbitt> uniTosch, well that answers that...
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• 2768[14:48:51] <uniTosch> TehRabbitt: well, the version in jessie is not the one mentioned in the advisory. so maybe it's not vulnerable.
• 2769[14:49:29] <TehRabbitt> uniTosch, true, so hopefully it's fine
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• 2771[14:49:33] <waflessnet> o/
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• 2774[14:50:03] <TehRabbitt> uniTosch, replaced-url
• 2775[14:50:04] <waflessnet> hi
• 2776[14:50:13] <TehRabbitt> that's the one i'm looking at though (2nd in the original link I sent)
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• 2779[14:51:07] <waflessnet> i have problem with red , i am used debian as router, and all conexion lost exception google :S
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• 2781[14:51:48] <waflessnet> gmail.com si ok, google search is ok, but other site not load and los conexion
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• 2783[14:52:12] <uniTosch> TehRabbitt: yeah, 1.0.2i is only in jessie-backports though. i think those security tracker pages are generated automatically, the status is wrong.
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• 2785[14:52:34] <TehRabbitt> hm so what version should be in jessie then?
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• 2787[14:52:49] <uniTosch> 1.0.1t right now.
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• 2791[14:53:32] <jelly> ,v libssl1.0.0
• 2792[14:53:33] <judd> Package: libssl1.0.0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb7u1; jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u3; jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u5; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u5; jessie-backports: 1.0.2i-1~bpo8+1
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• 2897[15:31:05] <fred1807> is there a wifi network ncourses interface, to search and add networks, that respeects the wpa_suppliant file, I mean respects the default debian config, and wont add extra files to the wlan setup ?
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• 2913[15:40:51] <Dennis___> Hi there, anyone active here ?
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• 2918[15:41:57] <Dennis___> anyone here ?
• 2919[15:42:07] <john_s> not really.
• 2920[15:42:09] <han-solo> Just ask. Someone will likely answer
• 2921[15:42:11] <han-solo> sooner or later
• 2922[15:42:11] <john_s> just transiently so.
• 2923[15:42:16] <Dennis___> lol
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• 2926[15:42:54] <Dennis___> I hope someone can give me a little help, I just try to setup procmail, postfix works as expected, using mailbox folder: $HOME/Maildir
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• 2929[15:43:25] <Dennis___> once I set mail_command in the postfix config, or just using a .forward file in $HOME, then my mail for 'root' for example, end up in /var/spool/mail/nobody
• 2930[15:43:48] <Dennis___> instead of /root/Maildir, and so procmail does not do anything with it >.<
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• 2932[15:44:11] <harovali> hi, during debian installation there is a tool that allows to select a repository out of many, by countries, etc. What's the name of that tool to use it during normal administration ? Thanks !
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• 2935[15:44:55] <john_s> (No clue Myself, I have only ever set up exim4 and use alpine to read mail locally and everything just works as far as i can see).
• 2936[15:46:06] <Dennis___> i need to setup a simple trigger, read mail, based on the body send a sms to something inside the body
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• 2938[15:46:35] <john_s> My own question is about using virtual interfaces. If I set up eth0 to be eth0:0, then dhclient will complain that it cannot find the interface.
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• 2943[15:48:00] <john_s> But if I try to create a bridge out of eth0:1 (and leave eth0 the same) and then give an IP to that bridge, then all kinds of things go wrong (notably that eth0 will no longer work correctly).
• 2944[15:49:02] <john_s> So I wonder how to use eth0:0 as my main interface.
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• 2957[15:52:22] <halcyforn> hello
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• 2961[15:52:55] <halcyforn> is possible to install debian from live usb or still only cd
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• 2963[15:53:24] <Drzacek> I would like to change the grub background image, are there some limitations to image file? Filesize, dimensions?
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• 2966[15:54:17] <CipherZero> power ——> bios ——> grub(bootloader) —> kernel ok?
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• 2973[15:56:45] <john_s> Seems my problem dates from at least 2009 and it seems not to have been resolved (dhclient not being able to use eth0:0).
• 2974[15:57:00] <Drzacek> harovali, just edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list with text editor of your choice, the list of repositories is on debian website
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• 2977[15:57:29] <proggry> Hi
• 2978[15:57:44] <proggry> is there an alternative init system to supervisord that supports dependencies? :) I need it for inside a docker container.
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• 2982[15:59:01] <ksk> proggry: systemd? :D
• 2983[15:59:41] <ksk> proggry: eh, supervisord tells me its no init replacement ;)
• 2984[16:00:07] <ksk> proggry: what are you trying to do? make sure services are running? take a look at monit
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• 2988[16:00:24] <harovali> Drzacek: thanks.
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• 2990[16:00:55] <harovali> Drzacek: so, that one is not available to the general usage?
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• 2992[16:01:27] <Drzacek> harovali, it was part of the installer
• 2993[16:01:43] <Drzacek> there are many graphical tools for managing software and repositories
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• 2995[16:02:31] <Drzacek> but I don't know any, I use nano
• 2996[16:03:04] <harovali> Drzacek: it'd be so useful for the command line , f.i. administering a remote system, to change the sources.list with that tool
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• 2999[16:05:37] <hassoon> ffs what happened to KDE's system tray widget
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• 3001[16:06:16] <hassoon> it does not show up icons of running apps that have a sys tray icon
• 3002[16:07:09] <CipherZero> i can install debain as cui only?
• 3003[16:07:47] <missmbob> CipherZero: of course
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• 3005[16:07:51] <CipherZero> how?
• 3006[16:07:53] <CipherZero> missmbob:
• 3007[16:08:09] <missmbob> CipherZero: you dont select any desktops during the install
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• 3010[16:08:31] <CipherZero> there is a default desktop? missmbob ?
• 3011[16:08:36] <missmbob> gnome
• 3012[16:08:52] <CipherZero> i dont’ install any desktop
• 3013[16:08:57] <izua> CipherZero: remember to leave only power and network cable in that box
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• 3015[16:09:06] <CipherZero> i just install terminal mode
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• 3018[16:09:24] <missmbob> there is no terminal mode. but sure.
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• 3020[16:09:51] <CipherZero> power and network cable good
• 3021[16:09:54] <CipherZero> how missmbob
• 3022[16:10:18] <missmbob> there's no such thing. it's like people asking for a "server edition" of debian. there is none. you just dont install a desktop gui. the end.
• 3023[16:10:34] <CipherZero> ok i will try it now.
• 3024[16:10:35] <CipherZero> ;)
• 3025[16:10:45] <teclo-> "Server version" ? That's for fucking W*ndows
• 3026[16:10:50] <missmbob> and ubuntu
• 3027[16:10:53] <izua> you need windows for putty
• 3028[16:11:00] <izua> so you can connect to your server version of debian ._.
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• 3030[16:11:09] <izua> ಠ_ಠ
• 3031[16:11:13] <izua> (imma get banned for this?)
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• 3035[16:13:16] <missmbob> CipherZero: "Debian desktop environment" is selected by default in installer. make sure you uncheck that box.
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• 3039[16:14:20] <CipherZero> oh good missmbob thanks
• 3040[16:14:31] <CipherZero> for doing hacker
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• 3042[16:14:50] <izua> hacers gonna hace
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• 3044[16:14:58] <izua> if you want to hace, you don't needa GUI
• 3045[16:14:59] <izua> that's a must
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• 3047[16:16:08] <CipherZero> izua: what is hacer?
• 3048[16:17:24] <CipherZero> izua: ?
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• 3055[16:19:15] <jelly> izua: except you do, because only xorg (and maybe wayland) based terminal emulators are fast enough
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• 3061[16:20:25] <CipherZero> izua: anyway boot loader is grub?
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• 3064[16:21:30] <izua> yeah, but remember to remove the selection screen and boot directly to windows
• 3065[16:21:35] <izua> i mean debian
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• 3068[16:22:19] <Leonardo_0112> Hi there! My debian 8.4 updated firefox-esr package by apt-get and now every time I launch Firefox (installed by replaced-url
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• 3074[16:23:07] <izua> jelly: actullay I can sort of see that working, with a single xterm instance running inside a session without a desktop env
• 3075[16:23:12] <jelly> Leonardo_0112: uninstall firefox-esr package if you don't use it
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• 3077[16:23:40] <Leonardo_0112> jelly: if I run suso apt-get remove firefox-esr it will unistall gnome desktop too
• 3078[16:23:44] <Leonardo_0112> sudo*
• 3079[16:23:53] <CipherZero> i mus unselect printer server and standard system utilities?
• 3080[16:24:04] <CipherZero> i must unselect printer server and standard system utilities? izua
• 3081[16:24:05] <jelly> Leonardo_0112: oh dear
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• 3083[16:24:10] <missmbob> CipherZero: no
• 3084[16:24:16] <CipherZero> then? missmbob
• 3085[16:24:26] <missmbob> CipherZero: then nothing. those dont have gui
• 3086[16:24:26] <greycat> ,i gnome
• 3087[16:24:27] <judd> Package gnome (metapackages, optional) in jessie/amd64: Full GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components. Version: 1:3.14+3; Size: 22.6k; Installed: 54k; Screenshot: replaced-url
• 3088[16:24:27] <jelly> Leonardo_0112: I don't have an easy answer, then
• 3089[16:24:39] <greycat> Misleading description....
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• 3091[16:24:52] <CipherZero> then i select printer server and standard system utility?
• 3092[16:24:53] <jelly> meat a package.
• 3093[16:24:56] <Leonardo_0112> jelly: OK so
• 3094[16:24:56] <CipherZero> missmbob:
• 3095[16:25:01] <Leonardo_0112> jelly: Thanks
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• 3097[16:25:18] <CipherZero> then i select printer server and standard system utility? missmbob
• 3098[16:25:19] <jelly> Leonardo_0112: yeah, thanks for nothing!
• 3099[16:25:21] <missmbob> CipherZero: sure. all you want is to not have desktop selected. the rest you can leave as default
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• 3101[16:25:32] <CipherZero> oh good
• 3102[16:25:33] <CipherZero> thanks
• 3103[16:25:54] <CipherZero> i will unselect debian desktop environment.
• 3104[16:25:58] <CipherZero> thanks
• 3105[16:26:15] <jelly> Leonardo_0112: you could play with equivs to make a fake firefox-esr package and install that instead
• 3106[16:26:18] <jelly> !equive
• 3107[16:26:19] <jelly> !equivs
• 3108[16:26:21] <jelly> !equivs
• 3109[16:26:22] <dpkg> equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>.
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• 3111[16:26:48] <greycat> Or just let it remove the "gnome" metapackage.
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• 3115[16:27:08] <jelly> greycat: that will pull all of the gnome components
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• 3117[16:27:25] <jelly> probably not a great idea when they're actually using Gnome
• 3118[16:27:33] <greycat> I don't know what you mean by pull.
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• 3120[16:28:00] <tx> download
• 3121[16:28:02] <jelly> leave them automatically installed, but with no reason to be installed
• 3122[16:28:17] <jelly> next run of aptitude, poof they're gone
• 3123[16:28:35] <greycat> Are we not simply talking about a user who tries to do "apt-get remove firefox-esr" and is told "I'm'a have to remove gnome also, 'k?" and then the user panics because he doesn't know "gnome" is just a 54k metapackage?
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• 3125[16:28:53] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ type aptitude
• 3126[16:28:53] <greycat> bash: type: aptitude: not found
• 3127[16:28:57] <jelly> greycat: that metapackage is keeping the rest of gnome installed
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• 3129[16:29:06] <greycat> !pal aptitude uwsers
• 3130[16:29:07] * dpkg points at aptitude uwsers and laughs hysterically
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• 3133[16:29:33] <jelly> apt-get is going to complain as well, just not remove anything automatically
• 3134[16:29:36] <greycat> Also, aren't there lesser metapackages that "keep" (hahaha) just subsets of GNOME installed?
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• 3137[16:30:19] <greycat> !install gnome
• 3138[16:30:19] <dpkg> To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. replaced-url
• 3139[16:30:24] <babilen> ^
• 3140[16:30:31] <jelly> greycat: one can apt-mark manual all the Depends and Recommends for "gnome", but that creates issues down the line
• 3141[16:30:53] <babilen> Just get one of the smaller metapackages and take it from there
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• 3144[16:31:10] <jelly> the Best™ fix would be for the metapackage to firefox-esr | firefox
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• 3146[16:31:24] <jelly> but that's not going to change in jessie, ever
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• 3148[16:32:27] <jelly> anything else is just a sorry compromise between how much stuff gets removed and how much cruft gets left over when jessie+1 appears
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• 3152[16:32:41] <tx> !pal tx
• 3153[16:32:41] * dpkg points at tx and laughs
• 3154[16:32:42] <jelly> thus: equivs.
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• 3160[16:34:19] <greycat> I see a Reverse Depends from iceweasel for task-gnome-desktop. Is that the issue here?
• 3161[16:34:59] <greycat> Did the original poster actually ever *SAY* which package apt* wanted to remove?
• 3162[16:34:59] <CipherZero> in the top left side, Appications Menu is, then it is kde Desktop?
• 3163[16:35:06] <jelly> greycat: 3rd completely evil alternative could be: edit the status file and fix gnome-core's dep. for iceweasel (>= 30), and maybe that one you just found as well
• 3164[16:35:40] <greycat> Or remove iceweasel and task-gnome-desktop and simply install "gnome", if that's all that's neeed?
• 3165[16:35:52] <jelly> won't work, see gnome-core
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• 3167[16:36:05] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
• 3168[16:36:23] <greycat> Ah.
• 3169[16:36:47] <greycat> That's some crazy redundant dependency shit.
• 3170[16:36:53] <jelly> ikr
• 3171[16:37:03] <greycat> Makes me glad I don't run GNOME.
• 3172[16:37:07] <tx> so are a lot of debian users using gnome?
• 3173[16:37:11] <tx> I should check popcon
• 3174[16:37:12] <greycat> Yes, they are.
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• 3176[16:37:22] <jelly> yes, let's suggest all the people here not to run gnome
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• 3178[16:37:35] <tx> Who suggested that?
• 3179[16:37:38] <greycat> I won't tell anyone what (not) to run.
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• 3181[16:37:52] <jelly> tx: I suggested the suggestion
• 3182[16:37:57] <greycat> ,popcon gnome-core
• 3183[16:37:58] <judd> Popcon data for gnome-core: inst: 51737, vote: 0, old: 0, recent: 0, nofiles: 51737
• 3184[16:37:59] <tx> ah :)
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• 3188[16:38:14] <tx> the site is better because graphs
• 3189[16:38:17] <jelly> ,popcon xfce4
• 3190[16:38:17] <tx> replaced-url
• 3191[16:38:18] <judd> Popcon data for xfce4: inst: 25438, vote: 0, old: 0, recent: 1, nofiles: 25437
• 3192[16:38:21] <gee_one> darn, I just installed it. I was using lxde.
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• 3197[16:41:07] <greycat> I think gnome is the "default" desktop environment that gets installed if you select "desktop environment" during the task-selection part of the installer.
• 3198[16:41:20] <tx> haha
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• 3200[16:41:29] <tx> I haven't done that since etch.
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• 3202[16:41:55] <Leonardo_0112> I just installe debian by live cd. Is it a bad choice?
• 3203[16:42:06] <jelly> Leonardo_0112: no, not if it worked
• 3204[16:42:16] <somiaj> it is, though in jessie it is far easier/obvious to select an alternative de during the install.
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• 3206[16:42:48] <tx> Leonardo_0112: Of course not
• 3207[16:42:52] <Leonardo_0112> In my laptop, same OS version and apps, there is no problem with FF esr
• 3208[16:42:53] <tx> it's just one of many ways :)
• 3209[16:43:02] <jelly> somiaj: except you can also choose Gnome as an alternative!
• 3210[16:43:03] <somiaj> Leonardo_0112: it is fine. Installing from inside the live image can sometimes have issues with grub. If wanting to just install booting the live image straight into the installer is prefered.
• 3211[16:43:58] <CipherZero> missmbob: text is too small
• 3212[16:43:59] <CipherZero> :(
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• 3222[16:45:29] <CipherZero> how can i install vmware tool on Debian?
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• 3224[16:45:58] <tx> replaced-url
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• 3226[16:46:13] <tx> install open-vm-tools
• 3227[16:46:23] <tx> (the debian package)
• 3228[16:46:47] <jelly> CipherZero: that'd be the default 8x16 VGA font on your framebuffer graphical console. log in, then run "setfont Uni3-TerminusBold20x10"
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• 3231[16:47:00] <tx> Another terminus user? :)
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• 3233[16:47:06] <tx> It's quite a nice font.
• 3234[16:47:07] <CipherZero> #!$FA#R#!@!$#$$! jelly
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• 3236[16:47:15] <jelly> hahahahah
• 3237[16:47:57] <stoned> -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed-*-13-*-*-*-*-*-*-* <- best font in the Universe
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• 3239[16:48:03] <CipherZero> how can i install vmware tool on Debian? jelly
• 3240[16:48:10] <stoned> I'm right and you're wrong and that's just the way it is.
• 3241[16:48:14] <ksk> CipherZero: ask vmware? :>
• 3242[16:48:27] <jelly> CipherZero: tx just told you, install open-vm-tools instead
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• 3245[16:48:35] <CipherZero> ok thanks
• 3246[16:48:38] <tx> He wanted a second opinion.
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• 3248[16:48:50] <tx> tx's are untrustworthy.
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• 3250[16:49:11] <stoned> Unless it's a tx from an untrusted source
• 3251[16:49:12] <jelly> tx: maybe you can address people to make sure your answer is for their eyes (only)
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• 3253[16:49:36] <tx> Maybe I can.
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• 3255[16:50:28] <jelly> now the question is, how to set that "nice" Uni3-TerminusBold20x10 font be loaded by default!
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• 3261[16:51:43] <jelly> maybe the answer is "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup", maybe not
• 3262[16:51:54] <jelly> I'm not going to try it.
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• 3267[16:53:10] <jelly> there's a factoid about it, but it mentions "consolechars" which means it's a bit outdated
• 3268[16:53:16] <jelly> !factinfo console fonts
• 3269[16:53:16] <dpkg> console fonts -- created by nenolod <~nenolod@58.dallas-26rh16rt-tx.dial-access.att.net> at Sat Jan 4 21:07:01 2003 (5013 days); last modified at Sun Sep 25 17:30:49 2011 by PerfDave!~grimoire@fsf/member/perfdave; it has been requested 56 times, last by jelly, 50s ago.
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• 3272[16:54:08] <croddy> i've always used console-setup to control the console font.
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• 3274[16:54:24] <croddy> well, maybe not always. but for as long as i can remember controlling the console font.
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• 3278[16:55:47] <thaman> not sure if it's because it's debian, but on firefox, the widevine cdm thing just stays on "plugin will be installed shortly"
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• 3282[16:57:56] <missmbob> thaman: there are various bug reports about it. replaced-url
• 3283[16:57:57] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 3284[16:58:14] <Elronnd> to someone here who was having trouble with gnome not detecting their integrated graphics card: for me, the issue resolved itself
• 3285[16:58:38] <stoned> Elronnd: did you see my posts about the window resizing fullscreen?
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• 3288[16:59:20] <thaman> missmbob: my bad, thanks for the info
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• 3304[17:09:18] <CipherZero> vmware too is not work on no desktop mode. so i can’t use it.
• 3305[17:09:29] <CipherZero> vmware tool is not work on no desktop mode. so i can’t use it.
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• 3307[17:10:13] <nkuttler> !vmware
• 3308[17:10:14] <dpkg> VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported, ask me about <vmware support>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it, see <dfsg>. replaced-url
• 3309[17:10:14] <tx> it's just a bunch of kmods
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• 3325[17:16:01] <CipherZero> how can i know my desktop model?
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• 3335[17:18:58] <CipherZero> xfce4-terminal 0.6.3 <—— this is desktop model?
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• 3338[17:19:42] <iamawesome> Hi, there is a Places> menu after the Applications menu
• 3339[17:20:02] <iamawesome> But this Places menu is missing in virtualbox debian. Why?
• 3340[17:20:10] <iamawesome> What should i install to get it back?
• 3341[17:20:45] <CipherZero> No one help me :(
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• 3343[17:20:56] <tx> :\
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• 3350[17:22:30] <th0r> iamawesome, are you running xfce in the vm?
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• 3354[17:23:08] <iamawesome> No gnome
• 3355[17:23:11] <iamawesome> gnome-core
• 3356[17:23:26] <th0r> iamawesome, not sure about gnome, but Places is an item you can add to the panel in xfce
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• 3361[17:25:19] <teraflops> c0ded: what do you mean by desktop model? that's not a car ^
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• 3365[17:25:51] <jelly> nkuttler: the right answer would have been "don't forget to install open-vm-tools-desktop"
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• 3369[17:26:27] <jelly> or "use the cli tool" maybe
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• 3372[17:26:40] <teraflops> iamawesome: how is "virtual box debian" gnome different from the "real" one?
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• 3374[17:27:02] <teraflops> c0ded: sorry I meant Cip
• 3375[17:27:06] <teraflops> that
• 3376[17:27:07] <izua> it can't run its own virtual box as fast as a real one
• 3377[17:27:08] <iamawesome> teraflops: I think, there is no difference
• 3378[17:27:15] <th0r> teraflops, he left
• 3379[17:27:19] <teraflops> im pretty sure too iamawesome
• 3380[17:27:21] <teraflops> th0r: yeah :s
• 3381[17:28:24] <iamawesome> And where is the Systems menu? I can't find it anywhere.
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• 3392[17:30:53] <towo`> vbox vs bare metal could be a big difference
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• 3394[17:31:19] <towo`> since vbox' 3d support is realy crap, it might be, gnome is gunning in fallback mode
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• 3396[17:31:33] <towo`> s/gunning/running
• 3397[17:31:40] <teraflops> towo`: ah good point
• 3398[17:31:44] <iamawesome> gnome-classi
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• 3400[17:31:51] <iamawesome> gnome-classic
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• 3406[17:32:26] <teraflops> towo`: but there are the guest addition whatever they are called for getting it
• 3407[17:32:37] <chrstphrchvz> (asking again from 12hrs ago.) Is aty128fb supposed to be in the kernel? I don't remember exactly when it was last present, but it seems like it's missing in debian's 4.6-powerpc…
• 3408[17:32:49] <chrstphrchvz> Or are there other ways of getting a framebuffer console back after r128 loads on powerpc?
• 3409[17:32:56] <towo`> teraflops, even with ga's installed, 3d often does not work on linux guests and on win too
• 3410[17:33:35] <towo`> and it depends many on the used vbox version, since it differs between the versions massive
• 3411[17:33:40] <teraflops> towo`: oh, I wasn't aware of such crappiness
• 3412[17:33:40] <nkuttler> chrstphrchvz: i have /lib/modules/4.6.0-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/video/fbdev/aty/aty128fb.ko
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• 3415[17:34:31] <ov3rmind> i had an issue qith nfs and systemd after a crash on nfs server the client comes to mask the nfs-client unit i already try unmask and enable but the system not permit, what i have todo? any tip are wekcome, i already tryed unmont the shares and remount not work
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• 3417[17:34:32] <teraflops> towo`: anyway I think it uses to work I find your commentaries a bit much negative
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• 3419[17:35:29] <teraflops> I don't like vbox neither but is widely used
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• 3424[17:36:54] <teraflops> ,v virtualbox-dkms
• 3425[17:36:56] <judd> Package: virtualbox-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.0.24-dfsg-1~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 5.1.6-dfsg-2; stretch/contrib: 5.1.6-dfsg-2
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• 3438[17:44:34] <chrstphrchvz> nkuttler: interesting. I can confirm on packages.debian.org that it's present in various linux-image for amd64 but not in any powerpc.
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• 3446[17:45:51] <nkuttler> chrstphrchvz: try #debian-kernel on oftc. could have different reasons
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• 3449[17:46:06] <mase2hotUK> hello
• 3450[17:46:12] <nkuttler> chrstphrchvz: or, actually #debianppc
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• 3452[17:46:38] <chrstphrchvz> nkuttler: will do, thanks
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• 3454[17:46:59] <mase2hotUK> I want to an image that will install debian but when finished also install chef-client how can I do this in one process?
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• 3459[17:48:37] <nkuttler> mase2hotUK: what kind of image?
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• 3469[17:50:17] <mase2hotUK> well just a simple one really so that I can install debian 8 and chef client as chef will handle the rest of the customisation of my server
• 3470[17:50:33] <mase2hotUK> at present I need to install debian and that seperatly install chef client
• 3471[17:50:39] <leba2> I know I asked this once, but... Does anyone know about a good lightweight website html editor software for linux? Frontpage is microsoft's, openelement is windows only and besides it's too heavy, and replaced-url
• 3472[17:50:50] <mase2hotUK> I would like to kick off 1 image that does this all from iso ideally
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• 3475[17:51:56] <nkuttler> mase2hotUK: you could use preseeding
• 3476[17:52:22] <mase2hotUK> ok ill looke into that
• 3477[17:52:30] <nkuttler> but depending on what kind of server you use there might be other apis to install stuff
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• 3481[17:54:17] <mase2hotUK> you mean hardware wise? They all dells
• 3482[17:54:31] <nkuttler> mase2hotUK: ah, ok, never mind then
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• 3488[17:57:48] <leba2> I know I asked this once, but... Does anyone know about a good lightweight website html editor software for linux? Frontpage is microsoft's, openelement is windows only and besides it's too heavy, and replaced-url
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• 3493[17:59:24] <missmbob> leba2: once? twice in 5 minutes. any text editor you have installed. vi, nano, whatever. frontpage was discontinued 13 years ago...no idea why you'd even mention that
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• 3495[17:59:32] <han-solo> leba2: emacs? :)
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• 3504[18:00:55] <leba2> Sorry, I meant WYSIWYG editors
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• 3508[18:01:45] <petn-randall> ,checkbackports cups
• 3509[18:01:47] <missmbob> leba2: go to #debian-offtopic if you must
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• 3513[18:02:01] <leba2> thanks
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• 3522[18:06:06] <CipherZero> i don’t know why bios can’t copy kernel from hard disk to memory?
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• 3525[18:06:49] <han-solo> ?
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• 3532[18:07:19] <CipherZero> oh han-solo
• 3533[18:07:55] <teraflops> CipherZero: I cannot understand what you say, same with the "desktop model" question above.
• 3534[18:07:55] <greycat> CipherZero: you're going to have to phrase the question in terms #debian can help with, if you want us to help
• 3535[18:08:00] <missmbob> CipherZero: what language do you speak? people really can't understand you
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• 3539[18:09:16] <CipherZero> bootloader copy kernel from hard disk to memory? but why bios can’t copy kernel from hard disk to memory directly? missmbob ?
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• 3542[18:09:57] <missmbob> if you tell us what your native tongue is we might be able to point you to another channel
• 3543[18:10:00] <kanzure> p/win 130
• 3544[18:10:02] <greycat> Are you talking about literal, legacy BIOS, or about firmware/UEFI in general? What ACTUAL PROBLEM are you trying to solve?
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• 3551[18:11:35] <CipherZero> oh greycat bios —> mbr(bootloader) —> kernel, why bios can’t copy kernel to memory? greycat
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• 3554[18:12:38] <greycat> Legacy BIOS? It's because the kernel is too large. Legacy BIOS can only boot a teeny tiny little eeny weeny program. This is the bootloader.
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• 3556[18:13:23] <CipherZero> BIOS is tiny program?
• 3557[18:13:39] <fred1807> as of now I run a cli only debian, and configure my wifi via wpa_suppliant and sometimesuse dhcp.conf to enter manual routes.... Can I add wicd-courses to this mininal setup? Or wicd courses = installing other networks managers, and wont work along with the manual edits to wpa_suppliant ?
• 3558[18:13:40] <CipherZero> then how about enlarging BIOS space?
• 3559[18:13:45] <CipherZero> greycat:
• 3560[18:13:52] <greycat> Do you understand what the word "legacy" means?
• 3561[18:14:18] * towo` thinks he is understanding zero about what is is writing
• 3562[18:14:18] <CipherZero> an amount of money or property left to someone in a will.
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• 3564[18:14:31] <towo`> booting a linux is not only conpy a kernel to memory
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• 3567[18:14:37] <greycat> CipherZero: that is not the definition we're using in computer science.
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• 3569[18:15:01] <greycat> !legacy
• 3570[18:15:01] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, legacy is industry-ese for "crappy old stuff that we hate and that's why we upgraded in the first place but we can't seem to rid of at all and so now we have to support both (the incomprehensible new stuff *and* the crappy old stuff)." --Mark Minasi
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• 3572[18:15:06] <CipherZero> denoting software or hardware that has been superseded but is difficult to replace because of its wide use.
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• 3574[18:15:26] <missmbob> you could just tell us what your native language is
• 3575[18:15:34] <fred1807> windows = legacy?
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• 3577[18:15:49] <CipherZero> missmbob: yes
• 3578[18:15:55] * missmbob gives up
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• 3580[18:16:52] <CipherZero> if i make bios to copy kernel to memory, then i can be rich?
• 3581[18:17:05] <greycat> Yes. Now go work on that. Leave us.
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• 3586[18:17:24] <CipherZero> :|
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• 3590[18:18:01] <han-solo> i couldn't stop but laugh
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• 3602[18:21:24] <han-solo> sorry
• 3603[18:21:26] <CipherZero> how much size program can be stored on bios?
• 3604[18:21:53] <missmbob> CipherZero: google it
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• 3607[18:22:01] <CipherZero> :|
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• 3610[18:23:04] <jpalmer> anone happen to know why the official amazon AWS AMI isn't compatible with the gp2 instance types? oversight, or actual compatibility issue?
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• 3633[18:29:30] <jelly> CipherZero: this channel caters to issues specific to Debian. If you have questions about hardware, try the hardware channel. If you have questions about Linux that are not specific for Debian, use Linux channel
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• 3635[18:29:55] <polyzen> ##Linux D:
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• 3639[18:30:30] <CipherZero> jelly: ok
• 3640[18:30:34] <CipherZero> i will do it
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• 3645[18:32:34] <ov3rmind> i don't have much knownledge about systemd... need some help , i already search about on replaced-url
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• 3648[18:33:03] <fred1807> is there some nice info I can read abou understand how wifi goes in Debian when there is no networkmanager installed vs. what happens when I install wicd-courses?
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• 3651[18:35:20] <teraflops> fred1807: replaced-url
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• 3660[18:36:48] <fred1807> is there a courses wifi search solution for the case when I dont use networksmenager, and dont use wicd, I only use the interfaces file and the wpasuppliant file ?
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• 3662[18:37:15] <teraflops> courses as in curses?
• 3663[18:37:37] <fred1807> curses.. Because this info page says for wicd "Your wireless interface should not be referenced within Debian's /etc/network/interfaces file"
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• 3665[18:37:53] <teraflops> nmtui is a nice curses configuration tool, you don't like NetworManager?
• 3666[18:37:55] <fred1807> so not my case, I use the interfaces file, and it is a cli only setu
• 3667[18:38:04] <fred1807> no desktop
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• 3670[18:38:13] <missmbob> dont need one for nmtui
• 3671[18:38:21] <missmbob> it just uses networkmanager in the background
• 3672[18:38:24] <teraflops> then use the fine terminal and an editor of your choice
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• 3677[18:40:33] <mkolenda> Good morning. Excuse me, I've added Kolab repository to apt and made it prioritized. However, it has forced me to install their apache.
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• 3679[18:41:02] <mkolenda> Their is hanging itself after few hours. I want to install everything from kolab repository but apache2 from local repository
• 3680[18:41:15] <missmbob> mkolenda: ask them
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• 3684[18:42:03] <mkolenda> ofc I can report them I didn't liked their apache package, but how do I make entire repository prioritized, but not one package?
• 3685[18:42:19] <towo`> mkolenda, not supported here
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• 3687[18:42:28] <towo`> mkolenda, here is debian support
• 3688[18:42:48] <mkolenda> this is clearly apt related problem. How do you make entire repository with higher priority but not one package.
• 3689[18:42:52] <towo`> mkolenda, and you could learn about pinning by using your favorite serchengine
• 3690[18:42:58] <towo`> mkolenda, no, is not
• 3691[18:43:16] <towo`> mkolenda, in this channel, only official sources are supported
• 3692[18:43:32] <towo`> if you want to use 3rd party repos, learn to manage them
• 3693[18:44:02] <mkolenda> You do not provide support for managing 3d party repos in apt then?
• 3694[18:44:07] <mkolenda> '3rd
• 3695[18:44:10] <towo`> why we should?
• 3696[18:44:22] <missmbob> no we dont
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• 3698[18:44:47] <mkolenda> Debian uses apt as package manager. Managing 3rd party repo is apt thing.. I thought you could give me a hint about apt.
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• 3700[18:45:02] <mkolenda> Okay. I don't argue.
• 3701[18:45:18] <mkolenda> With all respect. Best wishes.
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• 3704[18:45:32] <towo`> mkolenda, i gave you a hint
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• 3708[18:48:06] <stoned> Just b/c someone is using a third party respository in debian doesnt' mean apt or apt pinning isn't supported here.
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• 3710[18:48:25] <missmbob> he was told about apt pinning
• 3711[18:49:18] <stoned> mkolenda: yes, we do provide support for third party repositories in the form of apt preferences/pinning priorities which you can learn from the manual et.c
• 3712[18:49:30] <mkolenda> Yes, pinning. I'm reading about it.. As I understand I should pin apache2 package to "stable" repository.
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• 3714[18:49:39] <stoned> Something like that.
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• 3716[18:49:41] <mkolenda> @stoned I know :)
• 3717[18:49:44] <stoned> give it a much higher priority.
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• 3719[18:50:07] <greycat> Frankendebian on the slab, inserting the electrodes....
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• 3721[18:50:22] <stoned> \o/
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• 3723[18:50:24] <missmbob> yeah. maybe they had a custom apache...you know...for a reason
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• 3727[18:51:09] <stoned> I'm not here to question his conclusions. If that's what he wants or needs, pinning is the way to go.
• 3728[18:51:23] <mkolenda> missmbob I know but I will give it a try. I've been using archlinux and gentoo before so I'm quite used to messing with things.
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• 3730[18:51:33] <stoned> mkolenda: you can also try apt-get with --dry-run
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• 3732[18:51:41] <stoned> before you actually muck things up.
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• 3735[18:52:27] <stoned> You can also use apt-caceh policy to see the repo prority
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• 3740[18:52:54] <mkolenda> apt-cache policy sounds nice!
• 3741[18:52:58] <stoned> apt-cache*
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• 3745[18:53:19] <stoned> read the man pages for the collection of the apt tools
• 3746[18:53:24] <stoned> If you're going to use an OS, get to know it.
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• 3748[18:53:28] <stoned> Knowledge is power.
• 3749[18:53:58] <mkolenda> I know. My bones are getting old however and my screws got rusty the last year.
• 3750[18:54:09] <stoned> You and I both, buddy.
• 3751[18:54:29] <stoned> We're no getting any younger. :)
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• 3771[18:59:17] <Elronnd> stoned: yes; tahnks
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• 3773[18:59:19] <Elronnd> *thanks
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• 3775[18:59:27] <Elronnd> sorry, I was away for a while
• 3776[18:59:29] <stoned> Elronnd: the script is not perfect
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• 3778[18:59:38] <stoned> Elronnd: if it doesn't work the first time, run it again, np.
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• 3780[18:59:52] <stoned> comment out the lines if you want window decorations
• 3781[19:00:01] <Elronnd> well it turns out that the prog I was trying to get to run in fullscreen actually does support it natively it's just hidden behind a ton of windows
• 3782[19:00:08] <stoned> Oh ok.
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• 3784[19:00:16] <stoned> Well, this little hack should work for almost anything.
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• 3791[19:02:44] <stoned> Elronnd: I use Xmonad so I don't have to worry about this issue. Eveyrthign is fullscreeen (in that tiling algorithm) and no decorations etc. no matter what kind of window it is.
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• 3793[19:03:01] <stoned> sometimes some windows don't need to be fullscreen and one can simply float those.
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• 3796[19:03:44] <stoned> But you can steal any window away from the WM and set override redirect after you snap off the decorations and adjust the positioning to whateve coordinates you need
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• 3815[19:12:21] <rsarson> hi! mime types have officially driven me mad. is there someone in this room who can help me?
• 3816[19:12:36] <zoeurk> hello, i dont find installer-i386 from replaced-url
• 3817[19:12:45] <zoeurk> can you help me?
• 3818[19:13:22] <jhutchins> rsarson: Why would you mess with mime types? The defaults work quite well.
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• 3821[19:13:50] <jhutchins> zoeurk: Why are ou trying to get i386?
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• 3825[19:14:23] <zoeurk> It' s for test jhutchins
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• 3827[19:14:54] <rsarson> jhutchins: i'm making custom ones for files associated with VICE. i've got all but one to work. it's because an association for it already exists and i cannot override it or even delete it!
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• 3834[19:17:27] <zoeurk> it's the same than replaced-url
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• 3845[19:20:34] <th0r> rsarson, I have a note from long ago....let me get it into pastebin
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• 3849[19:21:37] <th0r> rsarson, don't know if this will help or not.....old note....replaced-url
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• 3866[19:28:55] <rsarson> th0r: thanks for the reply. i'm still learning this stuff and have started messing with stuff in /usr/share, but why should i have to? i have ~/.mime.types and ~/.local/share/mime/packages/(type).xml set up. everything i read says it should override global settings. as i said, all but one works, but they don't to override anything.
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• 3901[19:38:15] <th0r> rsarson, Not sure how all that works myself. I tinkered with it years ago when updates to calibre would grab the defaults for txt files and such.
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• 3907[19:39:19] <th0r> rsarson, to give you an idea...my solution to my problem was to copy mimeinfo.cache to a temp file, update calibre, then copy the file back
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• 3914[19:40:32] <rsarson> th0r: i'll keep experimenting... i'm sure it's something stupid i've overlooked. thanks.
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• 3918[19:41:15] <th0r> rsarson, also note...I haven't always had luck with overrides like that....local vs system
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• 3920[19:41:32] <teraflops> rsarson: use xdg-mime.
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• 3923[19:41:50] <teraflops> if you're in gnome gvfs-mime
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• 3925[19:42:31] <th0r> teraflops, thanks...never heard of xdg-mime before
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• 3931[19:43:50] <rsarson> teraflops: those are on my list to try. i couldn't install gvfs-mime because my system has been messed up ever since i changed to sid. new computer with fresh copy of debian coming soon.
• 3932[19:44:14] <teraflops> you can set/change default application for a mime type even creating a desktop file if it doesn't exists and then set as default handler for a specific type
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• 3934[19:44:39] <teraflops> rsarson: if you hace gnome you already have gvfs-mime
• 3935[19:44:42] <teraflops> have
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• 3939[19:45:12] <rsarson> teraflops: xfce. my computer is old.
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• 3946[19:45:37] <teraflops> xfce uses exo iirc
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• 3952[19:45:59] <Jidoor_> i have a directory that belong to a group, is there any way to make all new files in this directory belong to that same group on creation
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• 3958[19:48:14] <greycat> Jidoor_: chmod g+s /the/dir
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• 3965[19:50:03] <Akuli> i've only heard of r, w and x
• 3966[19:50:21] <greycat> setgid (set group-ID) bit on a directory means the group ownership is inherited
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• 3968[19:50:25] <Jidoor_> oh awesome it works
• 3969[19:50:44] <greycat> setgid bit on a program means the effective GID of the program is replaced upon execution, like setuid but for groups
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• 3974[19:50:54] <Jidoor_> s is sticky bit?
• 3975[19:50:58] <greycat> Nope.
• 3976[19:51:10] <greycat> The sticky bit is usually written as 't'
• 3977[19:51:36] <Jidoor_> ah nvm i got it thats giving group the s permission
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• 3981[19:52:44] <`Kevin> Jidoor_: `setgid bit`
• 3982[19:53:16] <`Kevin> or flag
• 3983[19:54:02] <Jidoor_> does setuid do anything for a folder
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• 3985[19:54:17] <stoned> it is ignored on a directory
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• 3990[19:54:58] <Jidoor_> logically it would make new files owned by folder owner? if it wasn't ignored
• 3991[19:55:17] <Keridos> how can i delete a bridge via ssh that the interface that is connected is part of ?
• 3992[19:55:29] <Keridos> i mean the interface that I ssh to
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• 3994[19:55:51] <Keridos> currently I do not seem to be able to delete the bridge via brctl
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• 3997[19:56:37] <Keridos> even if I execute a script that calls brctl delif br0 eth0 && ifconfig br0 down && brctl delbr br0 && ifconfig eth0 up
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• 4005[19:57:43] <rozie> Keridos: you will lose connectivity
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• 4032[20:05:19] <dioz> i can't get over how stupid americans are.
• 4033[20:05:33] <dioz> wall street, wells fargo, hillary clinton email scandals, etc. etc. etc.
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• 4035[20:05:37] <dioz> as a outsider looking in...
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• 4037[20:05:46] <dioz> i think all americans probably fuck their sisters, talk real slow, and eat fast food
• 4038[20:05:51] <dioz> americans are morons
• 4039[20:06:19] <dioz> amazing they aren't more upset about the state of their country
• 4040[20:06:41] <rocketmagnet> hi all, when installing with apt-get install and gets alot of errors like "should not be insalled..." can i overcome and just install more than one lib/app from the packed ...
• 4041[20:07:01] <dioz> get the package from the website and use dpkg to install it
• 4042[20:07:03] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: can you show us the command and output in a paste?
• 4043[20:07:12] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: don't listen to dioz
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• 4048[20:07:30] <rocketmagnet> how to change the output to english fast ...
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• 4052[20:07:43] <rocketmagnet> in the console for the error message to be in english
• 4053[20:07:57] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell rocketmagnet about localized errors
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• 4057[20:08:19] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: see the message from dpkg bot.
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• 4060[20:09:13] <jmcnaught> dioz: this kind of off-topic chatter isn't welcome in this channel.
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• 4063[20:09:24] <dioz> i know
• 4064[20:09:30] <dioz> do as you will
• 4065[20:09:34] <dioz> i'll accept my punishment
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• 4067[20:09:58] <jmcnaught> dioz: i'm just asking you to respect the channel
• 4068[20:10:09] <dioz> american respecT?
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• 4070[20:10:13] <rocketmagnet> replaced-url
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• 4073[20:10:39] <rocketmagnet> it would be nice to have staruml getting running with jeffie
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• 4075[20:11:18] <teraflops> /ignore add dioz
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• 4077[20:11:36] <jmcnaught> ,v staruml
• 4078[20:11:37] <judd> No package named 'staruml' was found in amd64.
• 4079[20:11:58] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: it sounds like you are using a third-party repository that is not compatible with Debian
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• 4099[20:16:38] <rocketmagnet> it's a dep file ...
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• 4171[20:47:58] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: oh, well it must not be a .deb file made for Debian. You should look for other installation options, like a tarball
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• 4175[20:51:18] <unborn> jmcnaught: perhaps it was for deb derivative..
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• 4179[20:53:30] <unborn> rocketmagnet: for example.. deb file from debian.. you should be able to install in debian without issues.. I bet you could do.. but deb file from lets say ubuntu repos - possibly will not work as ubuntu is debian unstable plus other crazy modifications so package will reflect that.. - i hope so it helps somehow :)
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• 4183[20:54:34] * unborn or deb files from debian unstable.. installed in debian stable - can break your beautiful stable system..
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• 4185[20:55:20] <unborn> rocketmagnet: there is great article about this.. have peak replaced-url
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• 4226[21:03:37] <thadtheman> I created an account that used an old root directory, but I used kuser and I accidentally let it overwrite my old home. Can I recover it now?
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• 4229[21:04:14] <unborn> thadtheman: do you have backup by any chance.........?
• 4230[21:04:17] <jelly> thadtheman: sure, if you have backups
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• 4241[21:08:36] <television> thadtheman: what did you have in there so important?
• 4242[21:09:00] <television> thadtheman: if you didn't write to the disk much you could try photorec/testdisk/scalpel and other tools
• 4243[21:09:12] <unborn> television: pointless question... i think sys did figured out..
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• 4246[21:10:11] <unborn> television: in case you would like to react.. he was asking about to restore.. not about what and how he did it wrong.. means - he wants to forgot about rubbish and move back to sense.
• 4247[21:10:37] <thadtheman> teleccision, mainly my firefox profile.
• 4248[21:11:03] <television> thadtheman: ..you should have enabled firefox sync...
• 4249[21:11:11] <television> its almost impossible to recover that
• 4250[21:12:15] * unborn photorec is for multimedia file recovery.. yes if you do turn your machine off right after your mistake - you may 'may' have some luck but I think in this case - its clean - always keep backup if you do operation like this.. at least the last backup.
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• 4253[21:13:02] <television> unborn: photorec recovers documents too you know.
• 4254[21:13:07] <television> like word documents and etc
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• 4256[21:13:28] <unborn> television: well.. can you read my last comment on chan ?
• 4257[21:13:54] * television hugs unborn and runs away to another channel
• 4258[21:14:04] <unborn> - i nod that very clearly but if you know how photorec works as an software...
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• 4261[21:14:20] <unborn> you would clearly understand what I said.
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• 4264[21:15:04] * unborn hugs television back and said to him/her - no worries, we been there together ;)
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• 4267[21:16:47] <unborn> thadtheman: I think without your backup - its gone.
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• 4274[21:18:24] <unborn> ...and btw ff sync suxs big time :)
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• 4277[21:19:48] <unborn> television: but as newbie without forensic sign - it was great advice :)
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• 4324[21:35:21] <simonlnu> dumb question that i forgot the answer to: do apt and aptitude sync their data now?
• 4325[21:35:31] <simonlnu> i mean the sid versions
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• 4328[21:36:44] <babilen> they have for quite a while
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• 4344[21:38:49] <simonlnu> babilen: i thought so, thank you
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• 4378[21:48:49] <StrumpZ> hi all, without the advise to buy a new NIC card, my onboard E2100 killer network, there are no official linux drivers, do any of you know any unofficial that are confirmed to work?
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• 4381[21:49:25] <ralpheeee> just curious to see what the take is here...what would be the benefits of moving to debian from arch?
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• 4383[21:51:11] <borsin> packages and apt
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• 4385[21:51:35] <babilen> ralpheeee: It really depends on "whatfor?" and your requirements .. I'd give it a try and makeup your mind. Debian is definitely not a bad choice and you won't regret it, but questions like that are impossible to answer
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• 4387[21:51:45] <babilen> dpkg: why debian
• 4388[21:51:45] <dpkg> Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also replaced-url
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• 4392[21:52:45] <babilen> Admittedly you'd have to use it for a couple of years to really appreciate its merits
• 4393[21:53:10] <ralpheeee> ok coll....thxs
• 4394[21:53:26] <babilen> Is this for your personal box or a larger deployment?
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• 4396[21:53:36] <ralpheeee> personal...
• 4397[21:53:52] <jhutchins> StrumpZ: How did you determine that there are no official drivers?
• 4398[21:54:17] <babilen> In that case you might want to consider also using jessie-backports or tracking an testing/unstable mix (cf. /msg dpkg tum) if you are after newer packages
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• 4402[21:54:56] <babilen> ralpheeee: replaced-url
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• 4407[21:55:32] <ralpheeee> babiler: ice!!!! thxs
• 4408[21:55:37] <ralpheeee> nice
• 4409[21:55:49] <babilen> dpkg: firmware image
• 4410[21:55:49] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
• 4411[21:56:01] <babilen> That should be all you need to give it a try :)
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• 4418[21:59:00] <StrumpZ> jhutchins: i googled and saw many notices that there are not
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• 4420[21:59:17] <docmax> anyone using qemu with qxl/spice?
• 4421[21:59:21] <StrumpZ> but if there are, please let me know
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• 4454[22:07:55] <StrumpZ> anyone know of linux drivers for killer network e2100 chip?
• 4455[22:08:09] <greycat> Use lspci -nn to get the PCI ID.
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• 4458[22:08:42] <StrumpZ> greycat: ok, will need reboot - brb
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• 4479[22:16:33] <StrumpZ> output lspci -nn : replaced-url
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• 4481[22:16:38] <julius_> hi
• 4482[22:17:04] <julius_> i just deleted messages.log - because it was 687mb in size. but after that /var is still full...how can that be?
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• 4484[22:17:16] <StrumpZ> greycat: let me know if that's all you need or more, i need reboot to the live debian, because it's this system
• 4485[22:17:42] <greycat> That's... I don't even... you've got *59 lines*?! And not one of them has ether in it?
• 4486[22:17:53] <AimHere> julius_, check /var/cache/apt/archives - all those .deb files your OS download end up in there
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• 4489[22:18:30] <julius_> AimHere, killed them already..no change.../var is still full
• 4490[22:18:40] <StrumpZ> greycat: i just ran the cmd and that's the output - it's a gigabyte g1.sniper motherboard with the e2100 chip onboard
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• 4492[22:18:59] <greycat> Is this an ethernet interface or some wireless thing?
• 4493[22:19:04] <StrumpZ> ethernet
• 4494[22:19:21] <StrumpZ> of course i can put a cheap 1gbit nic in it, but it's just, if nothing else work
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• 4496[22:19:36] <StrumpZ> i really hate disabling the onboard chip because i don't know which driver to use..
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• 4498[22:19:57] <StrumpZ> it's working in windows, but i need the driver too, windows not have it by default
• 4499[22:20:10] <StrumpZ> but windows driver is available for download
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• 4501[22:20:43] <greycat> So, there are these lines that say "Intel Corporation 7500/5520/5500/X58 Physical and Link Layer Registers Port 0 [8086:3425]" and so on... does this NIC somehow show up as multiple components each with its own ID?
• 4502[22:21:08] <abrotman> if you have internets at all, try update-pciids
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• 4506[22:21:19] <greycat> ,pciid 8086:3425
• 4507[22:21:20] <judd> [8086:3425] is '7500/5520/5500/X58 Physical and Link Layer Registers Port 0' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
• 4508[22:21:24] <StrumpZ> i can get internet, with some wifi dongle if i need to
• 4509[22:21:29] <StrumpZ> let me show you what it looks like in windows
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• 4512[22:22:15] <abrotman> lsusb maybe?
• 4513[22:23:13] <unborn> StrumpZ: hey listen do not show us how it looks like in windows.. this is debian chan and we are not interesting in - how it looks like in windows.. - no matter what you installed or what your drivers are.. this is debian channel.. so = please be helpful with your drivers and tell us what you actually need to install..
• 4514[22:23:45] <greycat> kmuto is basically blank for all 4 of the PCI IDs I'm seeing
• 4515[22:23:54] <unborn> linux is no way windows.. so your looks may not work.
• 4516[22:23:54] <StrumpZ> uborn: yea, i was already doubting myself when i wrote it
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• 4518[22:24:18] <unborn> StrumpZ: wrote what?
• 4519[22:24:19] <StrumpZ> it's just i need reboot every time, so i want some commands i can do for output and then come back
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• 4521[22:24:24] <unborn> ah I see
• 4522[22:24:30] <StrumpZ> so let me know what kind of output you guys need and then i reboot and get the output
• 4523[22:24:43] <StrumpZ> and yes i can get internet with wifi dongle
• 4524[22:24:53] <cruncher> StrumpZ, please past eoutput of lspci -nnk
• 4525[22:25:02] <unborn> StrumpZ: not at all... this is linux.. no reboot till massive change is done to your operating system
• 4526[22:25:12] <cruncher> the card should be (hopefully) visible as subsystem
• 4527[22:25:21] <unborn> it will be
• 4528[22:25:28] <StrumpZ> yes i will reboot to debian now, get internet and get on irc from there
• 4529[22:25:33] <StrumpZ> easier
• 4530[22:25:44] <StrumpZ> brb
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• 4532[22:25:52] <unborn> StrumpZ: you will be fine, just follow folks stuff on this chat :)
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• 4538[22:27:49] <cruncher> unborn, i wouldnt be so sure with that regarding this card :D
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• 4540[22:28:29] <unborn> cruncher: about what - I said if he follows them :)
• 4541[22:28:36] <rattking> "07:00.0 Power PC [0b20]: Freescale Semiconductor Inc MPC8308 [1957:c006] (rev 10)" does that computer have a computer in it?
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• 4544[22:29:18] <unborn> cruncher: - seems a bit late for me :D
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• 4546[22:30:17] <unborn> cruncher: im going to shave my self.. see you later geeky pig ;)
• 4547[22:30:33] <cruncher> :D
• 4548[22:30:45] <cruncher> cu unborn
• 4549[22:30:57] <cruncher> i guess rattking was strumpz
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• 4551[22:31:10] <unborn> cruncher: we all been there.. glad to see your mentioning here ;)
• 4552[22:31:25] <cruncher> no, i dont think that is a computer in your nic (despite the name) :P
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• 4556[22:32:00] <jhutchins> cruncher: Specs page says it has it's own CPU and offloads networking entirely.
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• 4562[22:32:18] <jhutchins> cruncher: Says it "bypasses the windows networking stack"
• 4563[22:32:35] <cruncher> jhutchins, wow.. sounds cool, but as there are apparently no drivers since 5 years for linux...
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• 4565[22:32:38] <rattking> ? I am not strumpz
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• 4567[22:33:10] <jhutchins> cruncher: I'm guessing it falls outside the conventional x86 specs and requires dedicated software.
• 4568[22:33:12] <cruncher> rattking, sorry, you just showed the pciid of the card that strumpz was talking about so i connected those
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• 4570[22:33:51] <emax> I have a question. I am not sure if I am in the right place. I am setting a Box that will have two NICs one is on the main LAN, the second is to telnet into a controller, on a seperate network. I can communicate with it through ping -I eth1 xx.xxx.xx.xx. How would I telnet doing the same?
• 4571[22:34:03] <cruncher> jhutchins, but it is a good idea to offload
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• 4575[22:34:34] <ws2k3__> emax do both nics have an ip address?
• 4576[22:34:38] <`Kevin> its one thing to offload, its another thing to bypass a stack entirely
• 4577[22:34:43] <`Kevin> :)
• 4578[22:34:44] <emax> yes
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• 4580[22:34:54] <ws2k3__> emax do both interfaces have a different ip range?
• 4581[22:34:57] <rattking> one thing I just read online mentioned the E2200 uses the atheros/alx driver.. I wonder if that applies to the E2100 as well.. I suppose its worth trying
• 4582[22:35:02] <emax> yes
• 4583[22:35:15] <ws2k3__> emax then i think you can just telnet to the ip?
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• 4586[22:35:42] <ws2k3__> emax because its that ip range it will automaticly use that interface
• 4587[22:35:54] <emax> it wasn't letting me. One second. I will make sure I am not being a dumb... could be
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• 4589[22:36:14] <ws2k3__> emax that should work its working here to
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• 4598[22:38:16] <jhutchins> emax: As root, the route command should show a route for that network via eth1. If not, that's what neeeds to be fixed.
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• 4605[22:41:15] <v3n0m> Hey guys
• 4606[22:41:36] <v3n0m> I am using Parrot OS Security 3.1 and it is based on Debian Stretch 9.0
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• 4608[22:41:53] <teraflops> profit!
• 4609[22:41:59] <v3n0m> I want to install Skype in it but it's giving me error that it's having unmet dependencies.
• 4610[22:42:01] <missmbob> v3n0m: that's not supported here
• 4611[22:42:06] <v3n0m> And they can't be installed.
• 4612[22:42:29] <v3n0m> But the linux version is supported I think. And it's based on debian so everything is the same.
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• 4614[22:42:40] <missmbob> v3n0m: no. not supported here
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• 4616[22:42:49] <missmbob> !based on
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• 4618[22:42:49] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 4619[22:42:50] <v3n0m> But I just need help installing Skype just like one would install skype in Debian 9.0 stretch.
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• 4621[22:42:55] <greycat> "just"
• 4622[22:42:56] <teraflops> and no it's not "the same"
• 4623[22:42:57] <greycat> hahahaha.
• 4624[22:42:57] <missmbob> v3n0m: no
• 4625[22:43:08] <teraflops> no³
• 4626[22:43:10] <`Kevin> emax: you shouldnt have to specify -I with ping, as jhutchins points out if you do not have a route for the network that the device is on then you need to reconfigure eth1 to be in the same network as the device(if eth1 is the nic connected directly to the device)
• 4627[22:43:19] <v3n0m> Only additional packages are installed in it I think.
• 4628[22:43:24] <v3n0m> Okay, nevermind.
• 4629[22:43:25] <v3n0m> :)
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• 4631[22:43:45] <emax> yes you are right. I was trying to be tricky and got messed up
• 4632[22:43:54] <greycat> (Also note that Debian stretch is not supported here either.)
• 4633[22:44:15] <jhutchins> !based on debian
• 4634[22:44:16] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 4635[22:44:34] <jhutchins> v3n0m: If everything were actually the same, it would be debian.
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• 4637[22:44:48] <v3n0m> Haha okay.
• 4638[22:44:57] <jhutchins> v3n0m: Dependencies are EXACTLY the kind of thing that makes a derived distribution different.
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• 4640[22:45:09] <v3n0m> Alright, I'm a newbie that's why I don't know much of this stuff.
• 4641[22:45:22] <v3n0m> I used Ubuntu before but shifted to Debian
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• 4643[22:45:35] <jhutchins> v3n0m: You could install debian (multi-boot) and see if you can get skype working, then figure out what the problem with Paroot is.
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• 4645[22:45:58] <v3n0m> Okay.
• 4646[22:46:16] <v3n0m> Well, just wondering if I can install the parrot pentesting tools on Debian?
• 4647[22:46:24] <emax> That's why I came here. I try to get smart, then immediately get humbled
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• 4649[22:46:57] <jhutchins> emax: Hey, at least you learned from it.
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• 4651[22:47:18] <digdilem> education is never free. but always worthwhile
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• 4670[22:51:37] <`Kevin> v3n0m: there are 100s of packages from what I can tell so we cannot say if those are all available on debian (likely not), make a list of the most common tools you would use and see if they are in a debian repo
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• 4672[22:52:01] <`Kevin> or get fancy with containers
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• 4675[22:52:22] <jhutchins> v3n0m: If they're open source you could always build packages for Debian.
• 4676[22:52:26] <`Kevin> ^
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• 4679[22:53:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> any idea why the 4.6.0 kernel series disappeared from backports; and the -rt-, -grsec- -- (normal) subtypes were replaced by linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64-unsigned
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• 4681[22:53:24] <CutMeOwnThroat> and why "unsigned"?
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• 4684[22:53:34] <StrumpZZ> lspci output: replaced-url
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• 4687[22:54:25] <`Kevin> Subsystem: Bigfoot Networks, Inc. Killer E2100 Gigabit Ethernet Controller [1a56:1201]
• 4688[22:54:28] <`Kevin> ha i knew it
• 4689[22:54:30] <`Kevin> sigh
• 4690[22:54:48] <`Kevin> one of those gaming network cards :P
• 4691[22:54:48] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, kernels
• 4692[22:54:49] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.4-2+b1); stretch: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.4-2); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-2)
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• 4695[22:55:11] <StrumpZZ> Kevin: yes big sigh, but only solution is to buy another nic? must be some way to get this working?
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• 4699[22:55:26] <greycat> I don't even understand what I'm looking at.
• 4700[22:55:27] <jhutchins> ,pciid 1a56:1201
• 4701[22:55:30] <judd> [1a56:1201] is 'Unknown device' from 'Bigfoot Networks, Inc.' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also replaced-url
• 4702[22:55:54] <StrumpZZ> judd: so I am out of luck?
• 4703[22:56:21] <v3n0m> I'm just confused.
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• 4705[22:56:27] <v3n0m> Now, I will have to install Debian
• 4706[22:56:29] <jhutchins> StrumpZZ: You might be out a whole $5.
• 4707[22:56:32] <teraflops> v3n0m: welcome to my life
• 4708[22:56:35] <v3n0m> It's too much installing and uninstalling.
• 4709[22:56:43] <greycat> You've got a NIC that's a "subsystem" of a "Power PC [0b20]"?
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• 4711[22:57:09] <StrumpZZ> jhutchins: yea, i hate it :p
• 4712[22:57:13] <`Kevin> greycat: its a NIC targeted at gamers for lowering latency due to full stack offloading etc :|
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• 4714[22:57:24] <StrumpZZ> greycat: tell me what more output you want to see?
• 4715[22:57:33] <missmbob> sounds like the monster cable scam
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• 4717[22:57:46] <StrumpZZ> Kevin: yea, but i not bought it for that reason really, it's just embedded on my motherboard
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• 4719[22:58:11] <StrumpZZ> embedded chip e2100
• 4720[22:58:15] <jhutchins> StrumpZZ: Having identified the NIC and found that there is no driver for it in debian, and as you have found in your searches lots of people who have looked for one and not found it, the easiest thing would be to buy a card and drop it in.
• 4721[22:58:22] <`Kevin> StrumpZZ: if you cannot find some sort of device driver directly from them you might be out of lock, you might be able to toggle something in bios best case scenario
• 4722[22:58:27] <`Kevin> luck*
• 4723[22:58:37] <StrumpZZ> Ok
• 4724[22:58:44] <StrumpZZ> $5 nic it will be then :)
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• 4728[22:58:57] <jhutchins> StrumpZZ: Since the chipset "bypasses the Windows networking stack", it's probably not compatible with how Linux handles networking.
• 4729[22:59:06] <petn-randall> v3n0m:
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• 4731[22:59:15] <v3n0m> yeah bro
• 4732[22:59:18] <unborn> StrumpZZ: - the more are you saying the more rubbish we can see about you.. - what greg was saying is - its too easy to deal with your rubbish - anyway your cheap hardware is rubbish anyway..
• 4733[22:59:29] <petn-randall> v3n0m: Why install Parrot OS, or Kali as your main distribution? You can run them fine in a VM when you need them.
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• 4735[22:59:40] <petn-randall> (sorry for the extra highlight)
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• 4737[22:59:47] <jhutchins> StrumpZZ: replaced-url
• 4738[23:00:00] <StrumpZZ> unborn: don't get you
• 4739[23:00:34] <StrumpZZ> jhutchins: yes, thanks all (except unborn i guess) for your advise, rly appreciated, will buy nic and disable the onboard chip
• 4740[23:00:47] <unborn> StrumpZZ: yeah coz youre not the same level :) anyway what it is - that you calling debian issue with your hardware ?
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• 4743[23:01:19] <`Kevin> ..
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• 4746[23:01:38] <StrumpZZ> unborn: i cannot help it if you think about levels all the time, it's just not somethign for me, so ignore<
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• 4748[23:01:52] <greycat> Ignoring "unborn" is often wise.
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• 4750[23:02:39] <v3n0m> Actually, I need an OS where I can run games and do pentesting etc at the same time. VM sucks for me and my PC gets slow down. I don't want that.
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• 4752[23:03:15] <v3n0m> That's why, I want to have such a distribution which has pentesting tools as well and I can do gaming and other stuff as well.
• 4753[23:03:19] <v3n0m> That's the main reason.
• 4754[23:03:38] <greycat> Well, Debian is probably not your first choice then.
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• 4756[23:03:51] <petn-randall> Neither is Parrot OS then.
• 4757[23:04:54] <v3n0m> Then what?
• 4758[23:04:59] <petn-randall> v3n0m: So running Parrot OS in a VM slows you down? Have you tried it yet?
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• 4762[23:05:43] <petn-randall> v3n0m: Pick the right tools for the job. You won't find a distro that is good at pentesting _AND_ gaming. There is like zero overlap.
• 4763[23:05:46] <greycat> If you're searching for a distro that matches your needs, you might try in ##linux. They have a chance (no guaranteed) of being less biased there.
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• 4765[23:05:54] <murphy> <3 parrotOS
• 4766[23:06:30] <v3n0m> Nah, I haven't tried that. But I tried in Windows and it sucks.
• 4767[23:06:34] <v3n0m> I tried Kali Linux.
• 4768[23:07:07] <petn-randall> v3n0m: I never mentioned Windows.
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• 4770[23:07:11] <v3n0m> But you know I just want to get away from VM and do everything in my main OS.
• 4771[23:07:15] <`Kevin> v3n0m: if you are just running basic shell based things (non-X) then you can get away with parrot in a container bypassing VM emulation (you could get X support with more effort)
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• 4775[23:07:38] <petn-randall> v3n0m: If you need, install whatever distro as your main distro, then install Parrot or Kali, or whatever into a VM and manage it with virt-manager.
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• 4779[23:09:17] <emax> do you need to do anything special to communicate through an x-cable? I am trying to get out of using a switch for communication between two devices
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• 4781[23:09:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> whaT's an x-cable??
• 4782[23:09:58] <missmbob> crossover. and no.
• 4783[23:09:59] <emax> crossover cable
• 4784[23:10:01] <v3n0m> Alright. So, just to be precise. What's better for gaming? Debian vs Ubuntu?
• 4785[23:10:14] <CutMeOwnThroat> ah
• 4786[23:10:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> v3n0m, windows
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• 4788[23:10:24] <emax> hmm, maybe I need to check my work
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• 4790[23:10:45] <v3n0m> Nah, damn Windows.
• 4791[23:10:54] <v3n0m> Apart from windows
• 4792[23:10:57] <`Kevin> v3n0m: personally I prefer Debian as I tend todo setups by hand/manually and want a minimal setup... its all up to you
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• 4794[23:11:05] <greycat> You don't need crossover cables with sufficiently new NICs (typically, gigabit NICs).
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• 4796[23:11:17] <petn-randall> v3n0m: Stick with Windows if it's a high priority for you. Steam support is better there.
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• 4799[23:11:34] <jelly> or use SteamOS
• 4800[23:11:53] <jelly> which presumably works well with steam
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• 4802[23:12:04] <petn-randall> ;)
• 4803[23:12:05] <`Kevin> steamos is buggy from what ive found :|
• 4804[23:12:14] <`Kevin> rather terrible
• 4805[23:12:27] <petn-randall> It works, but unfortunately a massive amount of games doesn't run on that platform yet.
• 4806[23:12:48] <`Kevin> also there is no reason to push him to windows when people are trying to adopt linux for gaming :)
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• 4808[23:12:56] <v3n0m> W
• 4809[23:12:56] <v3n0m> Wine works well with Debian?
• 4810[23:13:01] <`Kevin> outside of # of supported titles
• 4811[23:13:05] <emax> greycat, I was trying that. I can talk through the switch. Then I made the crossover and it's not talking anymore (doesn't mean I made the cable right). The device I am interfacing with is older, hence the telnet connection
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• 4813[23:13:25] <v3n0m> Which Debian version do you guys recommend?
• 4814[23:13:37] <missmbob> jessie
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• 4819[23:14:14] <`Kevin> v3n0m: you need to take a step back and look at everything you want to support/run and make a decision based on that
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• 4821[23:14:52] <v3n0m> I just want an OS with which I can play normal games
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• 4823[23:14:56] <v3n0m> and do pentesting.
• 4824[23:14:58] <v3n0m> But in Linux
• 4825[23:15:06] <crowell> v3n0m: "normal games"?
• 4826[23:15:20] <v3n0m> Yeah
• 4827[23:15:23] <v3n0m> not very high
• 4828[23:15:27] <crowell> what do you mean by normal?
• 4829[23:15:28] <greycat> Give an example.
• 4830[23:15:30] <v3n0m> Just like COD MW2 and COD MW3
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• 4832[23:15:34] <v3n0m> nothing more.
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• 4835[23:16:08] <missmbob> crossover runs COD pretty well.
• 4836[23:16:21] <missmbob> so presumably wine would do fine
• 4837[23:16:31] <crowell> i mean, if you're willing to put in the effort i think those can run on wine
• 4838[23:16:42] <crowell> i haven't set up wine for anything in years
• 4839[23:16:42] <v3n0m> Okay.
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• 4843[23:17:22] <v3n0m> So which Debian version should I download?
• 4844[23:17:32] <missmbob> jessie
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• 4847[23:17:44] <`Kevin> and this is where we get into non linux native games, me personallt I would run jessie as my main os and use use virt-manager to run windows with PCI passthrough so that windows has direct access to the GPU and you can run games natively
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• 4850[23:18:23] <`Kevin> eg dedicate a GPU to the windows VM directly
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• 4857[23:19:07] <v3n0m> Alright.
• 4858[23:19:18] <v3n0m> Debian with Wine? Good to go.
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• 4863[23:20:34] <v3n0m> Can you give me the download link?
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• 4866[23:21:09] <missmbob> v3n0m: if you cant figure that out debian wont work out for you
• 4867[23:21:53] <emax> venom, I probably shouldn't say this here, but you might want to go with Mint
• 4868[23:21:58] <ws2k3__> v3n0m replaced-url
• 4869[23:22:16] <emax> please don't ban me
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• 4871[23:22:34] <v3n0m> But it would install through network
• 4872[23:22:41] <v3n0m> I want an iso image.
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• 4874[23:22:51] <v3n0m> I found links on it on Debian website
• 4875[23:22:53] <ws2k3__> v3n0m that is an iso image
• 4876[23:22:58] <v3n0m> but there are like 8 CDs.
• 4877[23:23:13] <ws2k3__> v3n0m debian is realy big.
• 4878[23:23:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, netinstall
• 4879[23:23:14] <dpkg> from memory, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See replaced-url
• 4880[23:23:15] <v3n0m> I have to download all of them.
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• 4882[23:23:37] <ws2k3__> v3n0m go with the link i sended
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• 4885[23:23:46] <CutMeOwnThroat> you don't. there's the netinstall image and it's also possible to install from CD1 alone
• 4886[23:24:02] <ws2k3__> v3n0m its a mini iso. you can boot it and then select the software you want. it will download what you select. realy easy
• 4887[23:24:20] <teraflops> emax: mint is fine if you want malware in your repos…
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• 4892[23:24:43] <v3n0m> Alright.
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• 4894[23:25:14] <v3n0m> But you know here, there's a problem with electricity. You don't know when is it going to get off. Loadshedding of electricity.
• 4895[23:25:32] <v3n0m> SO, I'm worried during the installation, internet might fail.
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• 4898[23:26:15] <v3n0m> Alright and what about the 8 all Isos?
• 4899[23:26:22] <`Kevin> v3n0m: you could likely just go with CD1
• 4900[23:26:42] <CutMeOwnThroat> v3n0m, there are people who don't have internet on computers they install
• 4901[23:26:48] <v3n0m> If I download them, then how would I be able to combine and boot them into a usb?
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• 4904[23:26:59] <crowell> v3n0m: if you have internet on the pc you install it on
• 4905[23:27:12] <crowell> you just then install the packages you want once you have the base system from the netinstall
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• 4907[23:27:30] <`Kevin> ^
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• 4913[23:28:20] <v3n0m> Okay. I got it but what about downloading the whole ISOS and combining them. That would save me from all this electricity problem during the downloading of packages when installing.
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• 4915[23:28:41] <missmbob> there is no combining. if you're that worried get dvd1 instead of cd1
• 4916[23:29:00] <v3n0m> Alright.
• 4917[23:29:04] <v3n0m> DVD
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• 4919[23:30:32] <v3n0m> Okay, brothers. There are 3 DVDs of Debian.
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• 4921[23:30:44] <v3n0m> What's the difference between them?
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• 4926[23:31:47] <crowell> v3n0m: it's the complete set of software, you just need the first one
• 4927[23:31:50] <ws2k3__> v3n0m you can also just use the netinstall useualy you wont have to download that much
• 4928[23:32:03] <crowell> really, the recommended install is just use the netinst
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• 4930[23:32:53] <`Kevin> v3n0m: additional CDs/DVDs are just additional packages, you do not need them todo a base minimal installation... again suggesting netinst(ideal) or just CD1
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• 4934[23:33:45] <v3n0m> Okay.
• 4935[23:34:14] <v3n0m> And the debian-8.6.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso is the Jessie version right?
• 4936[23:34:23] <ws2k3__> yes
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• 4938[23:34:32] <ws2k3__> 8 means jessie
• 4939[23:34:37] <v3n0m> Okay.
• 4940[23:34:41] <v3n0m> Thanks.
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• 4942[23:34:50] <`Kevin> just remember that you may en up downloading more in the end using a DVD as it is likely out of date
• 4943[23:34:55] <`Kevin> (updates later)
• 4944[23:35:16] <`Kevin> may/will
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• 4953[23:36:40] <awal1> when jessie was released dvd1 dont contain any DE; connection to internet is needed for install X DE; don't know if things have changed since then
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• 4957[23:37:12] <v3n0m> So there will be no dekstop environment ?
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• 4959[23:37:22] <v3n0m> when I install dvd1?
• 4960[23:37:22] <greycat> You will install the DE using the Internet.
• 4961[23:37:42] <greycat> This is *regardless* of what's on your installation media. Because the packages on your installation media will become *out of date* over time.
• 4962[23:37:47] <ws2k3__> v3n0m DE means Desktop Enviroment
• 4963[23:37:51] <jelly> awal1: I think dvd1 had X and Gnome.
• 4964[23:38:04] <ws2k3__> v3n0m like we already sad a few times. go with netinstall if ur new to debian
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• 4966[23:38:19] <awal1> v3n0m, that was the case for 8.0.0; maybe things have changed with latest releases
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• 4970[23:38:48] <awal1> jelly, 8.0.0 dvd1 1 no when released; I treid it and sure about that
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• 4972[23:39:07] <awal1> internet nedded for gnome, X or any other DE
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• 4975[23:39:49] <awal1> if it's the case for 8.6 I guess netinst is better
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• 4977[23:40:26] <stoned> It's only security updates
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• 4979[23:40:33] <teraflops> net install is always better unless you have a dial-up connection
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• 4981[23:40:42] <awal1> I guess it was because of "why include gnome and not kde, xfce..."
• 4982[23:40:50] <v3n0m> But guys, I have internet problem because of electricty power off.
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• 4984[23:41:05] <stoned> Not entire packages and releases of softwares, and if a DE somewher needs an update for security, it will be that particular package,not the entire series of packages
• 4985[23:41:15] <`Kevin> v3n0m: you have been here chatting for much longer than the amount of time it would take to install a base system over the inet
• 4986[23:41:15] <v3n0m> Here, they do load shedding of electricity like after every 2 hours
• 4987[23:41:19] <ws2k3__> v3n0m if started the install already you would already be done by now
• 4988[23:41:26] <stoned> Even if you use a pressed relesed dvd/cd you'll still only be fetching security updates from stable repos over the net
• 4989[23:41:36] <stoned> Install form whatever stable relesed cd/dvd you have. It's fine.
• 4990[23:41:39] <teraflops> v3n0m: then consider cd1 or dvd1
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• 4992[23:41:49] <v3n0m> I have already started downloaded the dvd1
• 4993[23:41:51] <v3n0m> torrent
• 4994[23:41:55] <awal1> v3n0m, if any, not being sure, so go for dvd1
• 4995[23:41:56] <v3n0m> *downloading
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• 4997[23:42:32] <stoned> v3n0m: it is also considered a waste of bandwidth to download entie imaes
• 4998[23:42:37] <stoned> as you don't need all that is on an image
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• 5000[23:42:46] <stoned> To save bandwidth and resoures in the world, try netinst iso
• 5001[23:42:50] <stoned> Reduce the carbon footprint, do you part.
• 5002[23:42:58] <stoned> !jigdo
• 5003[23:42:58] <dpkg> Jigsaw Download (jigdo) is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. See "Downloading Debian CD images with jigdo" at replaced-url
• 5004[23:43:22] <awal1> previous stable releases, dvd1 was had about 3/4 gb; I think now it have around 1/2 gb; right v3n0m?
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• 5009[23:44:05] <greycat> what.
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• 5011[23:44:23] <v3n0m> Nah.
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• 5014[23:44:30] <v3n0m> It's 3.99 GB
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• 5016[23:44:43] <awal1> ok, so size still the same
• 5017[23:44:45] <emax> I don't know why it would talk with the switch, but not through the crossover
• 5018[23:44:51] <stoned> That's what she said.
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• 5020[23:45:17] <missmbob> emax: you probably suck at grimping :P
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• 5022[23:45:27] <emax> i tested it
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• 5026[23:45:43] <emax> to be fair I did muck the first one up
• 5027[23:45:49] <emax> this one passed though
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• 5029[23:46:11] <v3n0m> I just hope it has the GNOME or KDE something.
• 5030[23:46:18] <`Kevin> same cable work from pc to switch? assuming switch has auto mdix...
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• 5032[23:46:37] <v3n0m> The DVD1
• 5033[23:46:38] <emax> I didn't try the corssover on the switch
• 5034[23:46:45] <emax> crossover*
• 5035[23:47:16] <_duke> exit
• 5036[23:47:21] <`Kevin> quit
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• 5038[23:47:45] <emax> crossover works through the switch
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• 5042[23:48:07] <stoned> kevvooon
• 5043[23:48:10] <TunaLobster> Setting up iptables rules. What interface do daemons (such as transmission or minidlna) use to reach the outside world?
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• 5048[23:49:32] <teraflops> v3n0m: download replaced-url
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• 5050[23:50:03] <teraflops> v3n0m: yeah gnome is there
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• 5052[23:50:24] <teraflops> replaced-url
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• 5056[23:52:17] <v3n0m> I have already started this download : replaced-url
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• 5058[23:52:36] <v3n0m> so just if you can figure out that it has GNOME or any other DE?
• 5059[23:52:54] <awal1> teraflops, good; all DE are included now :P
• 5060[23:52:55] <teraflops> v3n0m: torrenting is fine for your power cuts :P
• 5061[23:53:04] <v3n0m> yeah
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• 5063[23:53:32] <v3n0m> terflops the one I'm download has DE right?
• 5064[23:53:40] <awal1> v3n0m, yes
• 5065[23:53:48] <v3n0m> Okay ty .
• 5066[23:54:10] <awal1> recent stable releases includes them all
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• 5068[23:54:23] <emax> TunaLobster, they are going through eth0, I am trying to get eth1 to connect to a secondary device
• 5069[23:54:27] <awal1> gnome, kde, mate, cinnamon, xfce, lxde
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• 5071[23:54:44] <awal1> that's wat i seen in teraflops paste
• 5072[23:55:11] <awal1> recent dvd's of stable ^
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• 5076[23:55:58] <awal1> v3n0m, why power is cutting there?
• 5077[23:56:07] <awal1> living in the woods? :P
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• 5085[23:57:04] <unborn> awal1: whos behind the debian it self then?
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• 5087[23:57:19] <awal1> huh?
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• 5096[23:59:01] <unborn> awal1: I was hoping you would tell me that answer - I dont mean some kind of users conscious.. but names or perhaps nicknames it self - so we all know.. who is behind it..
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• 5102[23:59:54] <awal1> I dont understand chinese, sorry
• 5103[23:59:58] <awal1> dinner time here :)
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