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0[00:00:10] <pingfloyd> tom99: so you are either installing and running sysv init or systemd's
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2[00:00:36] <pingfloyd> systemd maintains some backward compatibility with sysv through systemd-sysv package though
3[00:00:41] <marrenarre> Hi. I want an Xmonad setup that "just works" (basically). Should I just install some desktop environment using the installer and then replace the window manager or something? I'm having some problems with getting Xorg Server to work manually.
4[00:00:50] <_0xbadc0de> nomodeset can I add this to boot options?
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7[00:01:02] <opv> troffasky: in case you're interested, it was avahi. removed it and all is well now
8[00:01:25] <pingfloyd> tom99: so you have a choice still which init system you want to use. You can remove systemd and use sysv instead. There's a procedure for that.
9[00:01:35] <tom99> my point is on my wheezy box it's using sysv, and when I typed 'apt-get install systemd' it said it's only going to remove 3 packages, none of which is sysvinit-core
10[00:01:54] <pingfloyd> tom99: that's wheezy
11[00:02:02] <pingfloyd> tom99: systemd didn't become the default until jessie
12[00:02:07] <tom99> pingfloyd: ok that's cool. my problem is that it's removing a package without telling me if what you're saying is true
13[00:02:20] <pingfloyd> so packages may be layed out differently between the two releases
14[00:02:23] <tom99> apt-get is supposed to list what packages will be removed or added
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18[00:03:00] <pingfloyd> if you're using wheezy, I'd just stick with sysv and not mess with it.
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20[00:03:26] <tom99> it says packages will be removed: tor, tor-geoipdb, init-system-helpers
21[00:03:53] <tom99> it will download: libpam-systemd, libsystemd-id128-0, libsystemd-journal0, and systemd
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23[00:04:05] <tom99> pingfloyd: yes that seems the wisest course
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25[00:04:18] <pingfloyd> tom99: systemd isn't all its cracked up to be anyway
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28[00:05:00] <pingfloyd> I think sysv is far more admin friendly since it so much more transparent what is going on
29[00:05:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> marrenarre, there shouldn't be any difference installing X by yourself or via the installer with a DE
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31[00:05:40] <tom99> pingfloyd: why was systemd the replacement?
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33[00:05:57] <pingfloyd> like if you understand shell scripting, you've got sysv at your beck and whim
34[00:06:01] <pingfloyd> tom99: politics
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36[00:06:26] <pingfloyd> tom99: I think it was a terrible decisions, but at least we can still use sysv if we want without too much hassle
37[00:06:43] <dD_> My screen flickers when I'm on GNOME but not LXDE, any idea what it could be?
38[00:06:48] <pingfloyd> tom99: however, some programs depend on systemd because they've jumped on that bandwagon
39[00:06:50] <marrenarre> CutMeOwnThroat: In that case I suppose I'll have issues using the installer as well then. It seems my video card is (seemingly) too new for the open source NVIDIA driver.
40[00:06:51] <tom99> pingfloyd: interesting, i'll remember that.
41[00:07:00] <tom99> oh. DEPENDENCY HELLLLLLLLLL
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43[00:07:09] <teraflops> lol politics
44[00:07:11] <pingfloyd> so there will be certain packages you have to be using systemd in order to install and use
45[00:07:12] <teraflops> sorry
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47[00:07:31] <teraflops> it's friday I have the right to enjoy a bit
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49[00:07:52] <awal1> aptitude why / why-not - apt-cache depends / rdepends will help you for understand stuff in similar situation, tom99
50[00:07:57] <marrenarre> In that case, I'd be interested to know how to run Xorg rootless with proprietary drivers, but maybe I should ask that in ##linux instead.
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52[00:08:10] <teraflops> pingfloyd: no offense intended I apologize
53[00:08:19] <pingfloyd> teraflops: none taken
54[00:08:56] <tom99> Tip
55[00:08:56] <tom99> The actual init command on your system can be verified by the "ps --pid 1 -f" command.
56[00:08:59] <stoned> dD_: laptop?
57[00:09:07] <tom99> ^ I don't see how that can be true if /sbin/init is a symlink
58[00:09:15] <dD_> stoned, yes
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60[00:09:33] <stoned> How bad is the flickering?
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62[00:09:46] <pingfloyd> tom99: where did you see that tip?
63[00:09:58] <teraflops> marrenarre: about xmonad just search for dotfiles + github + xmonad in google
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65[00:10:15] <awal1> tom99, what's your alternative ? tech us :P
66[00:10:17] <pingfloyd> tom99: that tip sounds inaccurate
67[00:10:21] <awal1> teach ^
68[00:10:22] <tom99> pingfloyd: the debian reference manual: replaced-url
69[00:10:26] <CutMeOwnThroat> marrenarre, possible… part of the driver is in the kernel, you could try a newer kernel version from backports.
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71[00:10:36] <pingfloyd> tom99: if anything, a better assessment of that is ls -l /sbin/init
72[00:11:02] <marrenarre> CutMeOwnThroat: Actually, I should get out of this channel, because I'm using Debian Testing.
73[00:11:09] <awal1> pingfloyd, +1
74[00:11:11] <tom99> well, something was wrong on the internet. now my faith in all of humanity is shattered
75[00:11:12] <pingfloyd> tom99: I'd say this is a pretty dead giveaway that one is using system (in debian at least): lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Sep 2 15:02 /sbin/init -> /lib/systemd/systemd
76[00:11:22] <teraflops> marrenarre: debian uses alternatives system, if you feel more comfortable having ~/.xinitrc go pick one
77[00:11:32] <pingfloyd> *is using systemd*
78[00:11:46] <teraflops> marrenarre: xorg runs as user in debian testing
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82[00:12:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> marrenarre, hm, but then you've got pretty new versions of everything anyway… and yes… you probably get better help for that on irc.oftc.net where the offical official channels are and there with #debian-next where the guy who run testing hang out
83[00:12:20] <mado> hello everyone : )
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85[00:12:40] <dD_> stoned, renders it almost unusable. it keeps flickering between the current state and the last state (so imagine i alt+tab, it flickers between both screens)
86[00:12:52] <stoned> Oh
87[00:12:54] <tom99> maybe somebody should update the debian reference so you know.. it REFERS to accurate commands?
88[00:12:58] <stoned> stable? or testing/sid?
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90[00:13:29] <pingfloyd> tom99: you should probably submit a report if that was where you read that
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92[00:13:33] <marrenarre> teraflops: Well when setting it up manually Xorg doesn't find any screen when not run as root. I've tried adding needs_root_rights = no in the Xwrapper.config file but it still doesn't work.
93[00:13:47] <tom99> pingfloyd: I don't know how to do that
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95[00:14:05] <pingfloyd> tom99: probably one of the mailing lists, but I'm not sure
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97[00:14:23] <marrenarre> So that's why I'm thinking the installer solves it better than I do. But then if it uses the open source driver it won't work anyway, and also I guess if it did then the rootless thing wouldn't be a problem.
98[00:14:49] <tom99> pingfloyd: well i'm the noob here, so I would need someone knowledgeable to tell me where that might be
99[00:15:00] <portersmith> There should be no reason why anyone should be thrown in jail for questioning the facts and different aspects of the history of World War II, including the so-called Jewish Holocaust. Something STINKS. Jewish groups, we're onto your abusive lies, your scams, your hatred, your malicious: we're onto the fact that your emperor has no clothes. The truth has been exposed and it is going viral.
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101[00:15:12] <tom99> Please file bug reports on the debian-reference package using reportbug(1) if you find any issues on this document. Please include correction suggestion by "diff -u" to the plain text version or to the source.
102[00:15:18] <tom99> ^ That's what the document itself says
103[00:15:59] <CutMeOwnThroat> marrenarre, what do you mean with "set up manually"… don't you use a greeter?
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105[00:16:05] <teraflops> marrenarre: setting up manually? did I miss the part where you said what GPU you're using and the drivers
106[00:16:28] <tom99> What will diff -u do?
107[00:16:33] <teraflops> marrenarre: startx pulls from alternatives system
108[00:16:41] <marrenarre> teraflops: Yeah you missed it but I can't really blame you since I did too...
109[00:17:19] <marrenarre> Which shows that since this thing depends on what I did, maybe I did something wrong, so I was thinking I'd trust the installer to know better.
110[00:17:47] <teraflops> what do you mean by installer?
111[00:17:58] <marrenarre> Anyway I have a GTX 1060 and I installed nvidia-driver via apt-get. I installed linux-source first because it didn't work without doing so, it seemed.
112[00:18:08] <marrenarre> Well if I let the installer set up some desktop environment for me, I mean.
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114[00:18:23] <teraflops> marrenarre: did you install a DE?
115[00:18:33] <marrenarre> teraflops: No.
116[00:19:00] <teraflops> go install something so startx can start something I guess
117[00:19:00] <marrenarre> CutMeOwnThroat: If that means what I think it means then no.
118[00:19:19] <marrenarre> I used to have this working before, with an older video card, logging in through the terminal just fine.
119[00:19:49] <marrenarre> Presumably it worked because the open source drivers was compatible with that card.
120[00:19:50] <cra1g321> the 1060 isn't supported by any the jessie or jessie-backports packages
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122[00:20:01] <cra1g321> of the*
123[00:20:03] <marrenarre> driver*
124[00:20:12] <teraflops> then looks like some issue there (I suppose), I'd paste the xorg.log for the #debian-next guys
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126[00:20:19] <mado> yet? ... or will never be supported? (if i may ask)
127[00:20:23] <pingfloyd> marrenarre: you probably just needed the linux-headers package matching your running linux image version instead of the linux-source package
128[00:20:28] <teraflops> mado: if no luck there try here
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130[00:20:49] <mado> i've never been "there" ...
131[00:20:51] <pingfloyd> and the dkms packages
132[00:21:16] <awal1> marrenare, if you want to run xmonad, so apt-get install xmonad + xorg then use xinitrc and startx or start it via a DM. you'll have to lear about haskel language for configure it at your way; basic config is very limited
133[00:21:23] <awal1> marrenarre
134[00:21:24] <teraflops> marrenarre: xorg.log would be helpful ^
135[00:21:28] <mado> i was just curious because i thought about getting maybe this graphics card too in the future ... so far i'm stuck with this "typewriter" here : )
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137[00:21:59] <marrenarre> awal1: The problem is unrelated to xmonad AFAIK.
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139[00:22:00] <awal1> haskell ^
140[00:22:08] <mado> here's another question for you guys ... don't worry i can post it later again so that you can focus on the issues of the others ...
141[00:22:11] <teraflops> awal1: :S
142[00:22:26] <awal1> marrenarre, you was talking about it before :p
143[00:22:27] <marrenarre> Haskell is cool though.
144[00:22:49] <marrenarre> awal1: Yeah but Xmonad is more of the goal I guess hehe.
145[00:22:50] <pingfloyd> marrenarre: yeah, I guess if you're masochistic
146[00:23:01] <teraflops> :O
147[00:23:02] <mado> i'd like to disable my touchpad ... and only use my mouse ... replaced-url
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149[00:23:47] <marrenarre> pingfloyd: You mean I need linux headers that match and that I do not need the linux-source package?
150[00:23:48] <_0xbadc0de> how can I boot into recovery mode?
151[00:23:57] <marrenarre> How come my linux headers would not be matching at the moment?
152[00:24:03] <mado> also it'd be great if my current monitor settings could be saved and not revert back to what they were when i first booted the computer earlier
153[00:24:09] <tom99> _0xbadc0de, on my debian box it gives an option in grub when the system starts to choose recovery mode
154[00:24:11] <pingfloyd> mado: that seems like a very gnome dependent way
155[00:24:30] <pingfloyd> mado: a more agnostic way, assuming your touchpad supports it, is through synclient
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157[00:24:47] <mado> well i am using gnome right now, pingfloyd ... i wouldn't have known though if it was : )
158[00:25:20] <teraflops> marrenarre: replaced-url
159[00:25:30] <mado> does this help you pingfloyd?
160[00:25:31] <mado> mario@mcmd:~$ egrep -i 'synap|alps|etps' /proc/bus/input/devices
161[00:25:36] <mado> N: Name="SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"
162[00:25:42] <teraflops> marrenarre: look at the what provides
163[00:25:50] <pingfloyd> mado: then synclient should probably work
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166[00:26:10] <mado> i found that command somewhere in a manual
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168[00:26:20] <pingfloyd> looks like you have a synaptics one, which is what it was originally designed for (I think it does support some of the other non-synaptic ones too though).
169[00:26:46] <mado> okay then ... i'll try and find this -> synclient <- then
170[00:27:02] <marrenarre> teraflops: nvidia-kernel-340.96?
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172[00:27:09] <dD_> stoned, testing
173[00:27:33] <stoned> dD_: go on irc.debian.org #debian-next
174[00:27:33] <teraflops> marrenarre: or dkms
175[00:27:41] <mado> package cannot be found, pingfloyd
176[00:27:42] <pingfloyd> mado: with synaptics it should be as easy as: synclient TouchpadOff 1
177[00:27:46] <teraflops> just pointing at what pingfloyd said
178[00:27:48] <dD_> stoned, thanks
179[00:28:11] <pingfloyd> mado: it should be in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
180[00:28:14] <teraflops> _0xbadc0de: replaced-url
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183[00:28:39] <pingfloyd> so you could just add that command I gave to your session's startup settings
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186[00:28:53] <mado> oh so it's a command!
187[00:29:02] <sine0> can someone suggest a command line type of backup system thats like dropbox
188[00:29:04] <mado> and here was me thinking it was some tool : ) ... my bad, pingfloyd
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190[00:29:19] <pingfloyd> what I do is have a script with all my synclient settings and have my xfce4 startup invoke it.
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192[00:29:38] <pingfloyd> in gnome, there should be some place you can set what gets run when gnome starts up
193[00:29:49] <teraflops> pingfloyd: yuo can use a xorg snippet too
194[00:29:49] <marrenarre> teraflops: Oh I ignored the sentence before it. So I need to get the dkms and source packages, and build the kernel module?
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196[00:29:57] <pingfloyd> teraflops: yeah
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198[00:30:41] <teraflops> marrenarre: im not aware of nvidia in debian, and I dont use testing so im not a good source
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200[00:31:12] <pingfloyd> e.g., create a file with the settings you want for synaptics under say /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ in xorg.conf format
201[00:31:14] <marrenarre> I was going to use unstable but dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration broke when I did dist-upgrade...
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203[00:31:44] <teraflops> pingfloyd: nah I setup my libinput options in ~/.xprofile :S
204[00:31:57] <pingfloyd> I usually turn off all the DE applet crap for my touchpad and have synaptics/synclient handle it since you get much better granular control
205[00:32:13] <pingfloyd> and as a plus will be in effect regardless of DE/WM you use
206[00:32:27] <marrenarre> teraflops: But I should look into building the kernel module, right?
207[00:32:41] <jhutchins> !nvidia
208[00:32:41] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see replaced-url
209[00:32:54] <teraflops> jhutchins: thanks!
210[00:33:01] <pingfloyd> marrenarre: source package or linux-headers package
211[00:33:05] <jhutchins> marrenarre: You should read the documentation and not try to get by with irc advice.
212[00:33:28] <pingfloyd> marrenarre: dependency resolution usually should pull in what you need though
213[00:33:51] <mado> i have also just found -> replaced-url
214[00:33:52] <jhutchins> pingfloyd: No offenise intended, but they really shouldn't be winging module builds, it will only result in more support questions.
215[00:34:03] <pingfloyd> jhutchins: I agree
216[00:34:25] <pingfloyd> jhutchins: if it breaks though, they get to keep both pieces :)
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218[00:34:35] <marrenarre> Yeah I wouldn't really know how to do that so I agree.
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220[00:34:56] <pingfloyd> jhutchins: ideally they take the advice they get here and research more
221[00:35:04] <Somelauw> In /etc/defaults/keyboard, I have a line that says XKBOPTIONS=lctrl-altgr,caps:escape, but when I press lctrl-altgr nothing happens.
222[00:35:10] <pingfloyd> then it will make more sense as they read up on it
223[00:35:18] <marrenarre> And I'm trying to google but you guys are too eager to help.
224[00:35:42] <teraflops> marrenarre: dont try google try replaced-url
225[00:35:56] <marrenarre> I found that on Google so it's ok.
226[00:36:00] <teraflops> :P
227[00:36:10] <pingfloyd> but you know the old saying, "you can lead a horse to water..."
228[00:36:30] <marrenarre> But now I know that you guys approve of it so I guess the link *is* useful.
229[00:36:35] <jasonpowers> Israel is a Jewish ghetto fortress on the Suez Canal from which no one ever gets extradited. No more POGROMS: the Jewish criminals just flee to Israel.
230[00:36:38] <mado> i'm still checking out what you told me though, pingfloyd
231[00:36:42] <jhutchins> The guides on the debian site are usually a pretty good resource, but they do get out of date sometimes.
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233[00:36:58] <pingfloyd> marrenarre: like jhutchins is advising, you read up more about the proper process
234[00:37:14] <teraflops> there's a fine wiki, so use it
235[00:37:23] <pingfloyd> s/you/you should/
236[00:37:28] <teraflops> it's fine most of the time at least ^
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238[00:37:55] <tom99> jasonpowers: what's your evidence for criminals not being prosecuted and fleeing to israel?
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240[00:38:52] <marrenarre> The thing is that page is for stable releases. Should I just follow the one for jessie?
241[00:38:55] <teraflops> tom99: he left
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243[00:39:18] <tom99> teraflops: oh i turned off leave/join in this channel, whoops
244[00:39:32] <pingfloyd> marrenarre: that's where you'll want to check even more references for potential caveats
245[00:39:35] <mado> the -> xserver-xorg-input-synaptics <- is installed ... now i need to find it, pingfloyd : )
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250[00:40:03] <pingfloyd> mado: start off with reading man 4 synaptics
251[00:40:18] <CutMeOwnThroat> also, don't respond to spam like that, kthx
252[00:40:26] <teraflops> tom99: use smart filter at least ^
253[00:40:28] <marrenarre> Ugh why is there so much new stuff. If only everything had existed since the 90s, everything would be well-supported.
254[00:40:44] <pingfloyd> mado: bear in mind all the options it lists can be through xorg.conf{,.d/*} or invoked directly via synclient command.
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256[00:41:09] <mado> pingfloyd: i'm afraid i don't know yet what that means ... i'm new to all this stuff here : )
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261[00:42:39] <marrenarre> But even the latest driver on that page doesn't list my GPU as a supported device.
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263[00:42:50] <marrenarre> Maybe I should just learn to use a text-based web browser...
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265[00:43:11] <pingfloyd> mado: for example you could create a file say 99-synapics under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ or edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf directly following the syntax in the example under the synopsis of the man page. However you could invoke those same option like: synclient <OptionName> <Value> at the command line or through a script.
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268[00:43:39] <pingfloyd> *(99-synaptics.conf)
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270[00:44:18] <pingfloyd> as far as editing xorg.conf, I recommend creating files under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ directory instead
271[00:44:34] <pingfloyd> it's easier to manage that way
272[00:45:29] <pingfloyd> also, too verify if your setting take effect, look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log after you started a new X session after making the changes.
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274[00:46:11] <mado> pingfloyd: take it slower with me please ... i'm trying to follow you : )
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278[00:46:58] <pingfloyd> mado: in your case, do you just want to disable the touchpad altogether?
279[00:47:06] <yokisuci> iam drunk
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281[00:47:19] <yokisuci> drunk
282[00:47:26] <mado> -> replaced-url
283[00:47:36] <mado> there is no "xorg.conf.d" directory
284[00:47:40] <yokisuci> huh?
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286[00:48:05] <yokisuci> crap night
287[00:48:18] <pingfloyd> mado: the xorg.conf.d directory isn't created by default. You must 'mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d' first.
288[00:48:20] <marrenarre> Actually though this would all be solved by finding a neat way to run Xorg as root while still logging in through the terminal.
289[00:49:18] <mado> altogether? ... well pingfloyd ... i think it'd be great if i could turn it off completely because i do have a mouse plugged in via usb ... but if i ever needed it back that i could just "switch it on" again ... if i have to do this by editing some file or pressing some keyboard shortcut or whatever ... doesn't matter : )
290[00:49:42] <teraflops> marrenarre: no
291[00:50:03] <marrenarre> teraflops: But it works when I do `sudo startx`. I'm just looking for a more automated way.
292[00:50:12] <mado> what does the 'd' in that stand for pingfloyd?
293[00:50:26] <marrenarre> I could even get used to typing that command every time I log in.
294[00:50:28] <mado> and why call it "xorg.conf.d" ?
295[00:50:41] <marrenarre> Or just typing my password if I put that in some sh file.
296[00:50:51] <teraflops> mado: you can safely create that folder
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298[00:51:44] <teraflops> marrenarre: did you tun startx as root but inside the normal user home folder?
299[00:51:44] <mado> i'm sure i can, teraflops ... i'm just trying to understand what's behind the name : )
300[00:51:52] <marrenarre> teraflops: Yeah.
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302[00:51:57] <pingfloyd> marrenarre: that's a convention for when config files can be split up in multiple files
303[00:52:03] <teraflops> mado: afaik it's a debian thingy
304[00:52:04] <pingfloyd> mado: ^
305[00:52:31] <pingfloyd> mado: Xorg looks for files in that directory to parse its configuration settings
306[00:52:31] <teraflops> mado it became a convention more or less as pingfloyd says
307[00:52:44] <mado> i see i've got a lot to learn : )
308[00:52:52] <teraflops> marrenarre: it's your fault then and that's why it does not work
309[00:52:52] <pingfloyd> mado: it's more that many programs follow that convention for configuration, but not all do.
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311[00:52:59] <teraflops> marrenarre: :S
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313[00:53:09] <mado> alright ... folder created pingfloyd
314[00:53:19] <marrenarre> ??? But it works when I run it as root in my home directory, but not when not as root in my home directory.
315[00:53:37] <pingfloyd> mado: if you want to disable you touchpad put this replaced-url
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319[00:53:54] <teraflops> marrenarre: yeah as I said, go ls -la ~/
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321[00:53:57] <marrenarre> Are you telling me that iff you're running it as a normal user then the cwd has to be a specific one?
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324[00:54:29] <teraflops> marrenarre: go ls -la ~/
325[00:54:30] <teraflops> ^
326[00:54:37] <pingfloyd> mado: the number at the beginning determines what order files under xorg.conf.d are parsed. They're parse in lexical order iirc.
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329[00:55:11] <pingfloyd> mado: synaptics setting can be parse pretty late since you're usually not going to care about input behavior until X is all the way up
330[00:55:13] <marrenarre> teraflops: Okay so I'm logged in as root. That's not so good.
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332[00:55:31] <marrenarre> I mean I'm "logged in" as root.
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334[00:55:40] <teraflops> marrenarre: whoami
335[00:56:18] <marrenarre> teraflops: Yeah but does it really count as "logged in"? It's only because I'm running it with sudo.
336[00:56:31] <marrenarre> Well anyway, what does it have to do with the problem of it not working as a normal user?
337[00:56:40] <teraflops> no youre not root but you did startx as root but in your user folder now theres a bunch of files there belonging to root
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339[00:56:59] <teraflops> i cannot explain myself better sorry
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341[00:57:19] <teraflops> looks obv to me sorry
342[00:57:23] <marrenarre> But ~ is the home directory of root.
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344[00:57:32] <marrenarre> I ran the command in xterm i xmonad running as root.
345[00:57:36] <marrenarre> Should I run it outside of xmonad?
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347[00:57:51] <mado> okay : ) ... and 'X' is the thing that allows me to see stuff like windows on my computer, right? ... do you want me to create this file with "gedit" ?
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349[00:58:07] <marrenarre> My normal account's home directory is as normal.
350[00:58:12] <teraflops> marrenarre: you said you sis sudo startx as normal user
351[00:58:12] <mado> ad pingfloyd
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353[00:58:19] <marrenarre> teraflops: Yes.
354[00:58:30] <teraflops> now you say youre root
355[00:58:33] <pingfloyd> mado: yeah X is what gives you your gui environment in short
356[00:58:35] <teraflops> im just confused
357[00:58:50] <mado> yay! ... i understood something again :D
358[00:59:05] <marrenarre> teraflops: I was using xterm, in xorg server which I'm running with sudo.
359[00:59:21] <teraflops> marrenarre: again pastebin the output of ls -la ~/ as normal user
360[00:59:36] <teraflops> also pastebin does not mean pastebin.com
361[00:59:38] * RoyK wonders if there aren't separate irc channels for debian desktop and server
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363[00:59:53] <mado> and do you want me to create this "99-synaptics.conf"-file with gedit?
364[00:59:59] <mado> pingfloyd:
365[01:00:11] <pingfloyd> mado: X by itself doesn't do much other than facilitating just that. It's the Xserver that you run your xclients in. Things like windows managers, synclient, xclock, and so on are examples of xclients.
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367[01:00:31] <pingfloyd> mado: you can use whatever text editor you want, you just have to make sure you edit it with root privs because of the location of that file.
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370[01:01:09] <pingfloyd> mado: it's a good idea to also become familiar with at least one CLI text editor for situations when you can't get X up.
371[01:01:43] <mado> well ... i'm still in the terminal ... so i thought i just write "gedit" and open it ... that way i altered the sources.list too to add an additional repository or whatever it was called
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373[01:02:13] <teraflops> mado: gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/99-synaptics.conf is a bit eww
374[01:02:16] <mado> cli text editor? ... as in ... a text editor running in the terminal?
375[01:02:24] <teraflops> also you need root permission
376[01:02:31] <mado> why's that "eww" teraflops?
377[01:02:33] <try> Recently, screenshots stopped working for me in Jessie. gnome-screenshot works from the command line, but the "prtscr"-based shortcuts are no longer working. Can anyone help me troubleshoot?
378[01:02:37] <pingfloyd> that's fine, you may have to invoke it with gksu or gksudo to access to the display though (there are other ways, but they're more convoluted).
379[01:02:44] <teraflops> mado: big ereplaced-url
380[01:02:46] <teraflops> :P
381[01:02:48] <mado> why?
382[01:03:00] <pingfloyd> mado: security
383[01:03:03] <teraflops> youre right why?
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385[01:03:14] <teraflops> why I boher?
386[01:03:16] <mado> i'm not sure i understand
387[01:03:17] <pingfloyd> mado: you don't want anyone to be able to arbitrarily access anyone else's display in X
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389[01:03:24] <teraflops> mado: nah sorry
390[01:03:29] <pingfloyd> that would present a big security vulnerability
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392[01:04:25] <marrenarre> teraflops: replaced-url
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395[01:04:42] <mado> i'm still not entirely sure i understand - sorry teraflops and pingfloyd ...
396[01:04:49] <teraflops> mado: I apologize, it's late, I head to my bed now
397[01:04:59] <mado> areplaced-url
398[01:05:10] <mado> but i can understand ... i hope to see you soon again : )
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401[01:05:33] <teraflops> marrenarre: well it looks fine to me
402[01:05:41] <mado> i wish you "Good night" then before you leave teraflops
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404[01:05:54] <mado> pingfloyd: why is it a big security vulnerability?
405[01:06:03] <teraflops> mado: nah it's ok tahnks
406[01:06:05] <marrenarre> teraflops: So what were you saying about me doing something wrongly running startx as root?
407[01:06:20] <pingfloyd> mado: I'm talking about why there is access control about being able to see other displays on the Xserver
408[01:06:44] <teraflops> marrenarre: because I asked you and you said yes I run startx as root inside the user¡s home folder
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411[01:06:54] <teraflops> user's
412[01:06:58] <marrenarre> teraflops: Yeah, that's what I did.
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414[01:07:10] <pingfloyd> mado: if you didn't have that facility in place, anyone could snoop on anyone else on the system. Like say see them type out their passwords for things.
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418[01:07:53] <teraflops> marrenarre: go create a new user and startx with that user
419[01:08:10] <teraflops> no sudo startx or as root just "startx"
420[01:08:19] <teraflops> for the sake of our sanity
421[01:08:27] <marrenarre> teraflops: Can I not just use my current account?
422[01:08:30] <pingfloyd> marrenarre: how come you're invoking startx as root?
423[01:08:32] <teraflops> nope!
424[01:08:35] <marrenarre> The one wohose home folder I showed you.
425[01:08:41] <teraflops> marrenarre: nope
426[01:08:42] <marrenarre> Alrighty.
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428[01:08:46] <teraflops> fresh user
429[01:08:50] <teraflops> new one
430[01:08:53] <marrenarre> pingfloyd: Because it won't work without it.
431[01:09:12] <mado> okay ... can we please go back one step? ... i think there's just one thing i don't understand ...
432[01:09:14] <pingfloyd> marrenarre: X won't start as a regular user?
433[01:09:21] <mado> i told you i'm currently "root" in the terminal ...
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435[01:09:27] <mado> i see what file you want me to create ...
436[01:09:39] <mado> and you asked me to create it ...
437[01:09:43] <mado> with root priviledges ...
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439[01:10:06] <mado> we agreed i could do that in gedit for instance or some other text editor too ...
440[01:10:09] <pingfloyd> marrenarre: that could be an issue with say your ~/.xinitrc or other per-user related files for X
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442[01:10:22] <mado> and now there's something about a security risk?
443[01:10:31] <mado> what am i missing pingfloyd / teraflops?
444[01:10:54] <pingfloyd> mado: I think you misunderstand
445[01:11:17] <teraflops> pingfloyd: yeah in ~/ like borked permission because startx as root from there
446[01:11:23] <marrenarre> pingfloyd: But it works with sudo startx in my home directory, and then xmonad works which I only configured to start with my ~/.xinitrc, so it works with my .xinitrc when it's given root privileges.
447[01:11:24] <mado> yes ... i think so too ... that's why i asked if we could go back one step please : ) ... so to clear this whole confusion up : )
448[01:11:44] <marrenarre> I'm pretty sure it has to do with not using the KMS thing due to it being a proprietary driver.
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450[01:11:48] <pingfloyd> marrenarre: you shouldn't need to invoke startx with root permissions
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452[01:12:23] <marrenarre> teraflops: "failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted)"
453[01:12:32] <marrenarre> pingfloyd: But I do. :(
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455[01:12:43] <pingfloyd> if it's not successfully bringing up an X session when running startx as regular user, something is borked
456[01:12:45] <teraflops> ಠ_ಠ
457[01:12:47] <marrenarre> This hasn't been an issue when using nouveau drivers but they don't work with my card unfortunately.
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459[01:13:04] <mado> i'll wait while you help marrenarre : )
460[01:13:55] <marrenarre> teraflops: Should I give you more extensive output?
461[01:14:18] <marrenarre> I'm lazy because the process of copying that text is relatively annoying.
462[01:14:43] <marrenarre> You guys are angels by the way.
463[01:14:56] <teraflops> marrenarre: that error? where do you get it?
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465[01:15:23] <marrenarre> teraflops: When running startx with the new user.
466[01:15:33] <mado> we could also talk privately though if you want ... that way we won't interrupt teraflops and you pingfloyd from helping marrenarre :)
467[01:15:42] <teraflops> oh I have no clue
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469[01:16:24] <marrenarre> teraflops: Actually, although this is the same error message as before IIRC, the second problem would be that the system xinitrc doesn't start xmonad.
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471[01:16:37] <marrenarre> So I'll make a ~/.xinitrc for this account as well.
472[01:17:07] <teraflops> marrenarre: yeah paste full xorg.log
473[01:17:21] <teraflops> no paste full xorg.log
474[01:17:33] <marrenarre> Same error now.
475[01:17:48] <marrenarre> But I'm pretty sure it has to do with the driver not doing the KMS thing automatically.
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477[01:18:02] <marrenarre> Or relatively sure, based on what I've read so far.
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481[01:18:27] <teraflops> marrenarre: and please tell me that you installed xorg and nvidia driver correctly
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483[01:19:00] <marrenarre> Not really based on your instructions before.
484[01:19:06] <marrenarre> I never got around to doing that module thing.
485[01:19:14] <teraflops> :S
486[01:19:15] <marrenarre> We got into the whole root thing.
487[01:19:24] <xreal> A "lib" question: Normally, applications don't get build statically in Debian. When I've used libXY-dev to build an application, do I always need normal libXY to run the application?
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489[01:20:04] <teraflops> marrenarre: then I have no idea sorry
490[01:20:18] <mado> pingfloyd: ?
491[01:20:59] <teraflops> check your nvidia installation went fine that you have the nvidia module loaded and obv is not blacklisted, and provide xorg.log
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493[01:21:27] <teraflops> no logs no clue
494[01:21:58] <mado> teraflops: and pingfloyd ... i will reboot now ... catch you in a few minutes, hopefully : )
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497[01:22:06] <marrenarre> teraflops: "The NVIDIA kernel module has a kernel interface layer that must be compiled specifically for each kernel. NVIDIA distributes the source code to this kernel interface layer." replaced-url
498[01:22:08] <teraflops> so much gessing here and it's my fault
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500[01:23:04] <marrenarre> Seems I must compile this to be able to run Xorg server without root privileges when using the proprietary driver. I might just try using the installer (which I know is not supported here).
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502[01:24:07] <marrenarre> teraflops: In any case you've been verp helpful and I appreciate it a lot.
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505[01:24:31] <marrenarre> very*
506[01:24:35] <marrenarre> Seems Debian has a friendly community, so far at least. :)
507[01:24:37] <teraflops> marrenarre: oh I dont think so but thanks
508[01:24:39] <teraflops> :P
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510[01:24:58] <teraflops> about the helpful bit
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513[01:25:26] <marrenarre> teraflops: Actually I am kind of tired and now that I think about it I just wrote that without thinking and now that you mention it I guess not that much progress was made.
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516[01:25:42] <marrenarre> I think in my head I was thinking of the word "friendly" or something.
517[01:25:53] <marrenarre> I should probably go to bed soon.
518[01:25:54] <mado> and back : )
519[01:25:58] <xreal> Anyone with an idea?
520[01:25:59] <teraflops> heh
521[01:26:30] <mado> unfortunately i have to report that creating the file didn't disable the touchpad, teraflops and pingfloyd
522[01:26:35] <pingfloyd> xreal: if you install package-dev is should automatically install package as a dependency
523[01:26:53] <xreal> pingfloyd: Yeah, but when I transport the DEB to a new system ;)
524[01:26:57] <pingfloyd> xreal: the -dev package contains the needed headers for compilation, while the regular package contains the runtime dependencies
525[01:27:01] <xreal> pingfloyd: I know.
526[01:27:05] <eliserain> replaced-url
527[01:27:19] <xreal> pingfloyd: So the normal lib is always needed?
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529[01:27:21] <AciD`> op, please use +r mode on this chan
530[01:27:24] <pingfloyd> xreal: you only need the runtime dependencies to run the program in question
531[01:27:33] <AciD`> !ops
532[01:27:33] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
533[01:27:34] <xreal> pingfloyd: Oh ok... hmm
534[01:27:41] <pingfloyd> xreal: you only need the *-dev package for compiling
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536[01:28:00] <AciD`> dpkg: ops please use +r on this chan for the time being
537[01:28:01] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: acid` complains about: please use +r on this chan for the time being
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539[01:28:01] <xreal> pingfloyd: Yeah, but I mean. If you need 14 different -dev packages, you need 14 normal libs on the application side on a fresh system?
540[01:28:02] <pingfloyd> xreal: so if the target system doesn't need to compile the program, then you don't need to install the -dev packages
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542[01:28:13] <xreal> pingfloyd: I know, but I mean the opposite site ;)
543[01:28:32] <pingfloyd> xreal: yes, you need the normal libs/packages installed on the target system in order to run the program
544[01:28:47] <xreal> pingfloyd: Okay ;)
545[01:29:29] <mado> teraflops: ? would you mind if i send you some line/s in a query?
546[01:29:40] <mado> any further thoughts pingfloyd or teraflops or anyone else? : )
547[01:30:26] <pingfloyd> mado: your DE may be overriding it.
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549[01:31:44] <pingfloyd> mado: I don't have gnome installed, but I remember it does have a setting in its dconf database controlling whether the DE sets the touchpad
550[01:31:46] <mado> okaaay ... shall i then delete the file and folder? ... or do we have to (forgive me for saying so) teach the DE to respect the file?
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552[01:35:47] <mado> i just opened the dconf-editor with root priviledges ... can't make any changes yet though
553[01:36:04] <EastCoast25> There were 394,279 MORE Jews in 1949 than in 1940.
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556[01:36:47] <pingfloyd> mado: you could try launching dconf-editor and then search for "touchpad"
557[01:36:51] <unborn> mado why are you asking us to make your decision.. ? :) do what ever you want.. debian chan nor us nor any pro sysadmin - is responsible for your crap.
558[01:37:18] <unborn> .. he knows what he is doing..
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563[01:38:14] <mado> unborn: ? ... i'm new to all of this stuff here ... be it gnu linux, debian, gnome, etc ... i'm merely trying to learn some things
564[01:39:07] <mado> i found the entry pingfloyd ... but i cannot uncheck the checkmark
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566[01:40:19] <pingfloyd> mado: could also try this: gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.peripherals.touchpad send-events disable
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568[01:40:22] <mado> and since i don't want to ruin anything i'm glad for some guided assistance, unborn
569[01:40:36] <unborn> nado well I believe its bollox - if you new you would not ask the question you did.. perhaps I am very wrong - google and debian can learn you so much..
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571[01:41:15] <unborn> you glad you found the some guided assistance.. where? not on this chan for sure..
572[01:41:17] <mado> well ... some people learn stuff by first having some guided assistance and then they can do stuff on their own
573[01:41:22] <unborn> meh
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575[01:41:35] <unborn> !ops please mute me
576[01:41:35] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: unborn complains about: please mute me
577[01:41:48] <mado> see it like math, unborn : ) ... or when you learnt to read
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579[01:42:07] <mado> did you know already right from the start what sound every letter makes?
580[01:42:28] <mado> or if you're deaf or mute ... could you sign right away?
581[01:42:34] <zinx> mado: nah. i had to teach myself.
582[01:42:37] <mado> or when blind ... understand braile right away?
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584[01:42:44] <unborn> mado: i did know.. from start..
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586[01:43:01] <TomTomTo1> just move on, this is the right place for support questions^^
587[01:43:08] <unborn> I will keep quiet for some useful resource.. sorry :)
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589[01:43:24] <mado> good for you then unborn ... i did not : ) ... know that you're loved : )
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591[01:43:41] <TomTomTo1> plese just move on.
592[01:43:46] <TomTomTo1> *please
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600[01:47:55] <Somelauw> In /etc/defaults/keyboard, I have a line that says XKBOPTIONS=lctrl-altgr,caps:escape, but when I press lctrl-altgr nothing happens.
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612[01:52:36] <mado> maybe you need to change your keyboard layout Somelauw?
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616[01:53:24] <pingfloyd> Somelauw: Note: XKB options can be overridden by the tools provided by some desktop environments such as GNOME
617[01:53:55] <Somelauw> pingfloyd: i don't use a DE
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620[01:56:14] <Somelauw> mado: well my whole keyboard file is like this replaced-url
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622[01:56:49] <marrenarre> Woooot!! It works!
623[01:56:56] <marrenarre> teraflops: I got it working. :D
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625[01:57:19] <marrenarre> And to think all I needed to do was install linux-source and linux-headers-amd64 and run the official installer.
626[01:57:24] <mado> Congratulations marrenarre? : )
627[01:57:44] <marrenarre> And I'm not even sure that I need to install both of those first, but I did just in case. I suppose I'll do some testing to find out specifically, maybe. Maybe...
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629[01:58:14] <marrenarre> mado: Thanks!
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632[01:58:51] <marrenarre> Everything is great now. I can finally enjoy the efficiency of xmonad, vim, vimperator, and similar good things.
633[01:58:51] <unborn> !next
634[01:58:52] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
635[01:59:27] <marrenarre> I have to leave? :(
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638[01:59:42] <unborn> marrenarre: not at all!
639[02:00:09] <marrenarre> Oh, neat.
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642[02:00:28] <unborn> marrenarre: enjoy of the debian chan as long as you need/want :)
643[02:01:31] <marrenarre> Well, it has been an enjoyable experience so far, but at the moment I'm quite out of things to ask. And I haven't yet acquired the skill necessary to be of any help. I'll have to watch and learn.
644[02:03:12] <unborn> marrenarre: its all fine.. if you out of the questions, just be here.. :) no one said you had to ask.. or whatever.. we are all humans ...i hope so you understand me :) its cool to having you here.
645[02:05:08] <marrenarre> unborn: I understand. :)
646[02:05:44] <unborn> marrenarre: just be welcome here.. and feel free :)
647[02:06:08] <marrenarre> Okay now I actually have a question: How do I kill xserver if I'm not using a display manager? Everyone mentions light-dm and stuff.
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649[02:06:19] <marrenarre> xkill something? What should I use to get to the state I was in before I ran startx?
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653[02:07:20] <mado> Somelauw: i'm afraid i cannot really help you as i'm still beginning to learn things but i'm sure this whole problem will be figured out : )
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656[02:08:01] <unborn> do we use x server at all?
657[02:08:10] <mado> and guys and gals? ... i just found this here -> replaced-url
658[02:08:17] <mado> what are your thoughts?
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660[02:09:36] <marrenarre> unborn: "we"?
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664[02:10:43] <unborn> marrenarre: sorry.. the question was for others.
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666[02:11:50] <marrenarre> unborn: No need to apologise. I'm just not sure what you mean. I mean, Xorg Server is very common to use on Linux as far as I'm aware.
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668[02:12:18] <unborn> marrenarre: sure.
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680[02:17:48] <pingfloyd> marrenarre: you "log out" of you X session
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694[02:21:14] <CutMeOwnThroat> mado, what was your problem? there's 200 lines of backlog with lines from you
695[02:22:05] <mado> hello CutMeOwnThroat : )
696[02:22:15] <mado> i'm currently e.g. trying to disable my touchpad
697[02:22:19] <mado> so that i can use my mouse only
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700[02:22:45] <mado> that's one of the things on my today's to do list : )
701[02:23:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> if that's a laptop, can't you just do that with the Fn key combination that one usually uses?
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703[02:23:33] <mado> well ... this laptop doesn't have this feature i'm afraid
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706[02:24:22] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, touchpad
707[02:24:23] <dpkg> Synaptics is an X.org driver for laptop touchpads/trackpads. Install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options; configuration tools include synclient and gpointing-device-settings. replaced-url
708[02:24:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> one pretty permanent way would be to just uninstall that package
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715[02:26:32] <mado> hmmm ... that's something that hasn't been suggested yet : )
716[02:26:41] <mado> would this disable my mouse as well, CutMeOwnThroat?
717[02:26:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> no
718[02:27:01] <mado> i saw the wiki-entry before ... and some other websites ...
719[02:27:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> also… googling gives a temporary on/off solution in 2 minutes: replaced-url
720[02:27:20] <mado> unfortunately though the wiki-entry doesn't work
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722[02:27:48] <mado> "while typing" isn't completely disabling it though ... and some things i tried so far didn't work unfortunately
723[02:27:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> the bit where you look which one is the synaptics/touchpad with xinput list
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725[02:28:12] <CutMeOwnThroat> you might want to read a little bit more than the title
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728[02:29:44] <mado> also ... no offense ... the old "if i google this or that i find it quite quickly" ... i noticed this doesn't work for everyone ... have you ever noticed that when you look for something and then use a different device or search from a different network that your results are different?
729[02:29:52] <Somelauw> In /etc/defaults/keyboard, I have a line that says XKBOPTIONS=lctrl-altgr,caps:escape, but when I press lctrl-altgr nothing happens. My keyboard file looks like this: replaced-url
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731[02:30:03] <mutante> i'm trying to connect android phones to my laptop. unfortunately they all force me to use MTP. None of the described methods work in any way. mtp-detect says "No raw devices found". nothing pops up in gnome at all, jmtpfs says "No mtp devices found", simply nothing, debian wiki even tells me ". stop and seek help elsewhere.", and i do this with 2 separate phones.. more than a little frustrating since in
732[02:30:09] <mutante> the past i just had USB mass storage and none of these problems. what is even the purpose of MTP in the first place?
733[02:30:12] <CutMeOwnThroat> followed by xinput set-prop XXX "Device Enabled" 0 (where XXX is the device number)
734[02:30:18] <pingfloyd> mado: if you want the touchpad disabled while typing, something like "syndaemon -d -t -k -i 1.0" works well.
735[02:30:27] <mado> well i want it to be completely disabled : )
736[02:30:31] <mado> not just when i type
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740[02:30:57] <CutMeOwnThroat> mado, not when you use startpage or duckduckgo… it's all about building up (or not building up) an online filter bubble
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747[02:33:00] <p3nt4> NickServ Identify trex22
748[02:33:04] <p3nt4> lol
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750[02:33:25] <mutante> hunter2
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752[02:34:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> p3nt4, good way to pass on your nick to the deserving public
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755[02:34:47] <pingfloyd> nobody wants p3nt4 as a nick, but there may be other gems grouped in there
756[02:35:03] <mado> so let's see how to do what you told me CutMeOwnThroat ... i'll continue on reading
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763[02:37:32] <mado> the first command there "xinput list" doesn't work
764[02:37:36] <mado> command cannot be found
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766[02:38:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's found for me…
767[02:38:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> but if not… install it
768[02:38:21] <CutMeOwnThroat> the package is "xinput"
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773[02:39:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> you may also want to install apt-file, with that you can find what package (if any) has a specific file you are supposed to have
774[02:39:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, apt-file
775[02:39:14] <dpkg> apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <judd-file>, <auto-apt>, <dlocate>.
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779[02:40:28] <mado> so in other words ... program A requires fileXYZ ... program B does too ... with that i can find out that both programs need fileXYZ ?
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781[02:41:48] <TomTomTo1> only ones that are tracked by the packaging system.
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786[02:42:57] <siducer881> pfs
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794[02:45:22] <mado> replaced-url
795[02:45:40] <mado> so according to this page i need to enter this command there to disable my touchpad?
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797[02:46:34] <mado> debkad: ! : )
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799[02:47:20] <debkad> hello, i installed debian jessie8 and installed 3 .deb files atheros backport + linux-base + kernel 4.6 backport and rebooted, the wifi is working, but i can't update or upgrade
800[02:47:25] <debkad> hi mado
801[02:47:40] <debkad> i can actually o_o
802[02:47:53] <debkad> it was internet issue
803[02:47:59] <mado> : )
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805[02:48:03] <mado> can happen
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807[02:48:10] <debkad> :D
808[02:48:32] <debkad> now what i must do to have 100% backport
809[02:48:53] <debkad> i added this one to my sources.list deb replaced-url
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811[02:49:51] <debkad> i must reinstall hexchat as i installed it from the cache ( debian8 testing )
812[02:50:11] <debkad> alloooooo
813[02:50:14] <mado> hexchat, hm? ... is this still in development?
814[02:50:33] <debkad> yeah i'm on it right now :(
815[02:50:59] <mado> no need for the sad face ... it's a nice irc client but what do i know? ... i've only used it a little bit : )
816[02:51:11] <mutante> debkad: what's better about it vs. xchat?
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819[02:51:56] <mado> maybe because xchat is no longet in development?
820[02:52:01] <mado> (just a guess)
821[02:52:15] <debkad> mutante, dunno , it was my first client and first time using irc , just founded it from my way , so i just used it o_o
822[02:52:32] <mutante> aha, ok
823[02:52:34] <mado> i'll be back in a few bits ... need to reboot
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827[02:52:59] <debkad> i'm that old man who use what is available anyway
828[02:53:14] <mutante> apparently i'm even older because i thought xchat is still a thing p
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830[02:53:23] <debkad> hahaha
831[02:53:26] <pingfloyd> debkad: what do you meany by 100% backport?
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833[02:54:01] <debkad> pingfloyd, i mean be able to install something new as xfce 4.12 ( as an example )
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835[02:54:25] <debkad> my sources.list still have two jeessie repos
836[02:54:33] <mutante> i just want to backup my phones.. buuuhuu.. nothing works. no MTP, doesnt even detect anything when i plugin USB
837[02:54:34] <pingfloyd> debkad: if a package exists in official and backport, you need to use the -t flag with apt-get
838[02:54:39] <TomTomTo1> xfce was not backported yet.
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840[02:54:56] <debkad> i wonder if that don't cross between the last deb i added
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843[02:55:13] <TomTomTo1> and big things like DEs are likely to not get backported.
844[02:55:17] <pingfloyd> if a package only exists in backports, then you don't need that flag
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846[02:55:35] <mado> alright - back ...
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850[02:56:04] <mado> now i need to find a permanent solution for this : )
851[02:56:19] <debkad> TomTomTo1, hmm so i'm not in the right path i think
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853[02:56:49] <TomTomTo1> there is no easy way of getting xfce 4.12 on jessie.
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855[02:57:07] <debkad> even in backport?
856[02:57:13] <pitbullhell> Eric Hunt Analyzes the New Holocaust “Denial” Movie
857[02:57:17] <pingfloyd> debkad: apt-cache policy xfce4
858[02:57:27] <TomTomTo1> debkad: there is no backport and there will likely never be one.
859[02:57:33] <pitbullhell> replaced-url
860[02:57:40] <TomTomTo1> !ops troll
861[02:57:40] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: tomtomto1 complains about: troll
862[02:57:41] <debkad> pingfloyd, not yet installed
863[02:57:47] <somiaj> debkad: backporting a full desktop is a lot of work.
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867[02:57:51] <pingfloyd> debkad: doesn't matter
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870[02:57:55] <TomTomTo1> thanks
871[02:58:03] <pingfloyd> debkad: notice it's an apt-cache command
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873[02:58:49] <debkad> pingfloyd, i guessed that command will show at least a version number
874[02:59:01] <pingfloyd> debkad: run it and you'll see exactly what it shows
875[02:59:21] <pingfloyd> shows installed and candidates and which versions are in which repos
876[02:59:26] <mado> how soon can "i" run -> xinput set-prop <integer> "Device Enabled" 0 <- ?
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878[02:59:28] <debkad> all i know is policy and cache
879[02:59:30] <pingfloyd> as well as their priority
880[02:59:34] <debkad> cache for search
881[02:59:36] <somiaj> debkad: it shows all versions installable. Now do it on a package with a backport. apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64
882[03:00:12] <mado> i'm asking because i think it'd be great if i didn't have to enter this command every time i turn on my computer and log in
883[03:00:29] <debkad> linux-image:
884[03:00:30] <debkad> Installed: (none)
885[03:00:30] <debkad> Candidate: (none)
886[03:00:30] <debkad> Version table:
887[03:00:30] *** debkad was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
888[03:00:49] <pingfloyd> debkad: that's how you can tell what versions are available and installed with your currently configured sources, as well as where they're archived.
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890[03:01:32] <debkad> my bad didn't mean it
891[03:01:32] <somiaj> mado: why not just add some info to your xorg.conf for this?
892[03:02:07] <mado> i don't know what that means but if that does the trick, sure, why not, somiaj?
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894[03:02:57] <somiaj> mado: xorg.conf is the tranditional file that is used to configure your xserver, xorg (the graphical enviroment which is what xinput is modifying)
895[03:03:02] <debkad> damn it seem that i can't use stable no more
896[03:03:36] <somiaj> mado: modern systems don't need a config file, and try to autodetect everything. This doesn't always work, so you can add the config sections for the devices you need. Though you'll have to look up the syntax for the mouse you are trying to enable
897[03:03:45] <somiaj> mado: I mean disable
898[03:04:20] <somiaj> mado: as for running that from a script. You will want to run it after you log into xorg as your user. Depending on your desktop you could just include it in some of your auto run programs.
899[03:04:27] <somiaj> mado: either method works.
900[03:04:34] <mado> : ) ... so we're back to what was originally suggested, i think ... creating some file or something? *wondering*
901[03:04:44] <somiaj> mado: I personally set up a binding to a key. But I have to hit ctrl-whatever each time I boot.
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903[03:05:13] <mado> hmmm *nodding slightly*
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905[03:05:28] <mado> it's nice that you can configure all this in various ways
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907[03:06:27] <mado> also ... do i understand correctly ... you're telling me this command i got shown on a website earlier ... i can't use that?
908[03:06:49] <somiaj> mado: I missed what you are actually trying to achive and only commenting on can you auto run that command.
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910[03:07:53] <mado> well i'm trying to disable my touchpad ... and i'd like it to stay disabled till i enable it again ... i'd like it to be disabled even after a reboot or when i've shut down my computer
911[03:08:55] <mado> so in other words ... instead of being enabled automatically i'd like it to be disabled automatically ... and only get enabled when i really need it
912[03:09:13] <somiaj> mado: I use a key binding, but I have to disable it each boot. I'm heading out for a bit, but I'll get my script for you.
913[03:09:34] <mado> thank you : )
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917[03:12:28] <somiaj> mado: replaced-url
918[03:12:44] <somiaj> mado: replace MOUSE with the name of the mouse on your system. That script will disable it if it is enabled, and enable it if it is diasbled.
919[03:13:00] <somiaj> mado: I mean change line 3 so the MOUSE variable gives the name of the mouse your system uses.
920[03:14:29] <mado> replaced-url
921[03:14:36] <mado> so in my case it would be
922[03:14:43] <mado> SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad
923[03:14:57] <mado> ?
924[03:15:22] <somiaj> mado: you can type xinput disable "name" to see if it works from a terminal.
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930[03:16:12] <mado> yup ... that works ... great : )
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932[03:17:03] <mado> i'm not sure yet exactly though how what you post works
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934[03:17:20] <mado> posted
935[03:17:42] <somiaj> gives you something to digest for a whie, anyuways I am off *poof*
936[03:17:51] <debkad> what i'm missing, when i installed grub then i update grub but it didn't detect the other distro
937[03:18:18] <mado> a pity but okay ... catch you another time i hope, somiaj
938[03:18:22] <mado> and thank you!
939[03:18:28] <dvs> debkad, apt-get install os-prober
940[03:18:39] <debkad> i did that but it won't
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942[03:18:50] <debkad> E: Package 'os-prober' has no installation candidate
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944[03:19:04] <dvs> ,v os-prober
945[03:19:06] <judd> Package: os-prober on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.58; jessie: 1.65; sid: 1.71; stretch: 1.71
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947[03:19:19] <debkad> very odd
948[03:19:35] * dvs guesses that security is the only repo set up
949[03:20:48] <abrotman> wtf ..
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951[03:21:07] <pingfloyd> debkad: sounds like your sources.list is screwed up
952[03:21:22] <debkad> pingfloyd, replaced-url
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954[03:21:52] <dvs> !prize me
955[03:21:53] * dpkg gives dvs a medal.
956[03:22:04] <debkad> the two first deb was commented
957[03:22:25] <debkad> as i was unable to use internet when installing
958[03:22:36] <dvs> debkad, if you have an internet connection, you don't want the cdrom
959[03:22:45] <debkad> i just uncomment them and add the backport and update
960[03:22:56] <debkad> dvs, it is commented
961[03:23:09] <dvs> !tell debkad about jessie sources.list
962[03:23:55] <pingfloyd> debkad: also, when you make changes to that file, you must run apt-get update
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967[03:24:25] <pingfloyd> same applies to files under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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969[03:24:35] <debkad> sure, it was just the system was missing one or two deb
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980[03:30:18] <debkad> thanks dvs pingfloyd it was it
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982[03:30:33] <dvs> no prob
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984[03:30:52] <debkad> no i need to install xfce 4.12 o_o
985[03:31:05] * debkad hiding
986[03:31:26] <dvs> judd: version xfce
987[03:31:28] <judd> No package named 'xfce' was found in amd64.
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989[03:31:33] <dvs> judd: version xfce4
990[03:31:35] <judd> Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.8.0.3; jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; sid: 4.12.3
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992[03:31:47] <debkad> :(
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994[03:31:58] <debkad> stretch is testing?
995[03:32:06] <dvs> yup
996[03:32:11] <debkad> damn
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1001[03:37:38] <debkad> dvs, the ppa work like said in this link? replaced-url
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1003[03:38:31] <dvs> debkad, oh god I wouldn't do that.
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1005[03:39:58] <qman__> that's how you get a !frankendebian
1006[03:40:05] <dvs> yup
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1008[03:40:46] <debkad> :((
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1011[03:41:45] <xreal> What does "build sourcefiles" mean when using dpkg-buildpackage? How can a compiler build source? ;)
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1015[03:43:57] <debkad> if i found a good tool for zooming that will make things easier
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1025[03:45:56] <cunnilingus> What does parental controls do
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1028[03:46:02] <cunnilingus> i think its a virus
1029[03:46:12] <cunnilingus> it pops up sometimes when i try to do searches
1030[03:46:21] <debkad> o_o
1031[03:46:23] <xreal> cunnilingus: I only get popups about viagra ;)
1032[03:46:30] <cunnilingus> earlier i type what is cunnilingus
1033[03:46:42] <cunnilingus> and it says something about parental controls
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1036[03:47:09] <cunnilingus> my computer has some virus and it doesnt want to tell me what cunnilingus means
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1038[03:48:04] <mutante> cunnilingus: cunnilingus might get you a virus, true
1039[03:48:05] <debkad> format it
1040[03:48:27] <cunnilingus> what is cunnilingus
1041[03:48:35] <cunnilingus> i still havent been able to look it up
1042[03:48:36] <debkad> is a speach
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1044[03:49:00] <cunnilingus> huh?
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1046[03:49:40] <debkad> i never heard about it
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1048[03:51:25] <xreal> Anyone with an idea?
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1051[03:52:40] <debkad> about?
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1063[03:55:20] <petn-randall> xreal: Have you had a look into the man page yet? It explains what this tool is for.
1064[03:55:30] <cunnilingus> i figured it out
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1066[03:55:43] <cunnilingus> google search said Blocked
1067[03:55:50] <debkad> ok
1068[03:55:53] <cunnilingus> but someone sent me a image of the search result
1069[03:56:00] <cunnilingus> cunnilingus is oral sex!
1070[03:56:04] <cunnilingus> lol lmfao
1071[03:56:07] <debkad> good for you
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1075[03:56:16] <petn-randall> cunnilingus: Do you have a Debian support question?
1076[03:56:23] <abrotman> I'm going with no
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1079[03:56:50] <petn-randall> ah
1080[03:56:53] <awal1> ops! cunnilingus trolling
1081[03:56:59] <debkad> he gone
1082[03:57:02] <abrotman> I'm righ there ...
1083[03:57:03] <debkad> or she
1084[03:57:05] <abrotman> right here also
1085[03:57:06] <tom99> here's my debian question
1086[03:57:17] <tom99> how do i use the reportbug program to submit a bug report for the debian reference documentation?
1087[03:57:29] <abrotman> the website?
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1089[03:57:47] <tom99> yes, a couple people in here said something i found in the manual was wrong
1090[03:57:53] <xreal> pentiumone133: man says f.e. at -b: "Specifies a binary-only build, no source files are to be built and/or distributed." I still don't have a clue, what this does :)
1091[03:57:56] <debkad> ah
1092[03:58:00] <abrotman> debian-replaced-url
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1095[03:58:04] <debkad> outdated you mean?
1096[03:58:19] <tom99> specifically about determining if systemd is installed by running ps --pid 1 -f 1
1097[03:58:40] <tom99> It says you can do that and pingfloyd disagreed and suggested I file a bug report. however i don't know how to do that
1098[03:58:49] <abrotman> does it work ro not?
1099[03:59:02] <debkad> that worked for me
1100[03:59:02] <tom99> no, because /sbin/init is a symlink to systemd
1101[03:59:12] <tom99> so /sbin/init exists no matter what you have installed
1102[03:59:14] <debkad> really?
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1104[03:59:31] <tom99> he said he runs jessie and that's what he got
1105[03:59:32] <abrotman> tom99: readlink -f /sbin/init ?
1106[03:59:49] <debkad> that may be when you upgrade or cross using repos
1107[04:00:04] <xreal> I can't see a difference between building source files or not.
1108[04:00:21] <CutMeOwnThroat> but that ps command shows […] /lib/systemd/systemd[…] on my system
1109[04:00:26] <tom99> abrotman: no saying ls -l /sbin/init
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1112[04:00:59] <tom99> CutMeOwnThroat, I'm not using jessie so I can't verify it which is the other reason I didn't file a bug.
1113[04:01:10] <debkad> xreal, building, mean extract ==> compile ==> install ( but better to read its README/INSTALL things )
1114[04:01:14] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, I am.
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1116[04:01:29] <tom99> what does ls -l /sbin/init show on your system?
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1120[04:01:43] <xreal> debkad: My question is, what "build source only" means f.e.
1121[04:01:43] <abrotman> tom99: readlink -f
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1125[04:01:54] <xreal> debkad: "Specifies a source-only build, no binary packages need to be made."
1126[04:02:00] <debkad> ah it show lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 sept. 24 2016 /sbin/init -> /lib/systemd/systemd
1127[04:02:05] <xreal> debkad: what does "source-only" mean?
1128[04:02:06] <debkad> hmm he was right
1129[04:02:19] <awal1> tom99, you are just confused
1130[04:02:22] <tom99> abrotman: it only matters that it's a symlink, cause it points right to another file allegedly
1131[04:02:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> and I actually have one jessie that comes from an upgrade and one that is a fresh install… and for both ps --pid 1 -f 1 show /lib/systemd/systemd in the resulting line
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1133[04:02:31] <somiaj> xreal: debian provides both binary packages and source packages (which is the upstream source + debian patches)
1134[04:02:40] <debkad> xreal, i think that mean the source without any binary
1135[04:02:52] <debkad> don't take it for sure
1136[04:02:56] <xreal> somiaj: But I've downloaded the source packages. Will it be rebuilt ?
1137[04:03:02] <tom99> CutMeOwnThroat, hmm maybe pingfloyd and the other guy were the ones that were confused then.
1138[04:03:20] <debkad> xreal, of course
1139[04:03:22] <CutMeOwnThroat> and yes /sbin/init is a symlink to systemd
1140[04:03:28] <somiaj> xreal: yes. This is also for use if you say modify the source by adding your own patches and then you can create a new source package from the current source.
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1142[04:03:42] <xreal> debkad & somiaj: okay, then I don't need that ;)
1143[04:03:53] <debkad> o_o
1144[04:04:07] <petn-randall> xreal: If you ask for it, yes. You could also have retrieved the source via git, so then building source packages might make more sense.
1145[04:04:22] <tom99> CutMeOwnThroat, guess it's not a real bug then... probably.
1146[04:04:29] <xreal> petn-randall: aaaaaah! that really makes more sense ;)
1147[04:04:35] <xreal> petn-randall: +2 thx
1148[04:04:36] <tom99> For what it's worth i'm on wheezy and when I type that ps command I get init
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1151[04:05:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> but init is what you have, so that's ok, too
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1153[04:05:19] <tom99> correct
1154[04:05:41] <CutMeOwnThroat> *shrug*
1155[04:05:44] <tom99> Weirdly enough though i tried typing apt-get install systemd and it said it would do it without uninstalling anything related to sysvinit
1156[04:05:52] <tom99> So idk if that means you can switch between them or what
1157[04:06:09] <TomTomTo1> can you link the docs, please? ^^
1158[04:06:18] <CutMeOwnThroat> wheezy wasn't really ready for use with systemd
1159[04:06:28] <tom99> replaced-url
1160[04:06:44] <tom99> CutMeOwnThroat: makes me wonder what's going to happen if I did finish that install
1161[04:07:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> I think installing the package on wheezy would install the software, but then you'd have to convert all init scripts manually and then do the switch manually
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1163[04:08:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> but I never tried to install it on wheezy
1164[04:08:03] <debkad> tom99, what systemd do when there are some init things, it try to convert them to its way ( making units " service files" ) that was what i seen when i try to install something have init file
1165[04:08:07] <tom99> hmm, i don't see the value in doing that but if you think there's something to be gained i might do it
1166[04:08:24] <tom99> debkad: ah ok
1167[04:08:34] <TomTomTo1> but it says init command. so /sbin/init might be correct even if you have systemd.
1168[04:09:24] <TomTomTo1> that was in reference to the earlier line of passing a custom init path.
1169[04:09:30] <simonlnu> root 1 0.0 0.3 9792 3248 ? Ss Sep13 2:29 /lib/systemd/systemd --system --deserialize 20
1170[04:09:41] <simonlnu> debian/sid
1171[04:09:41] <TomTomTo1> on my jessie system it says /sbin/init also.
1172[04:09:56] <CutMeOwnThroat> what says /sbin/init
1173[04:10:02] <TomTomTo1> ps --pid 1 -f
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1175[04:10:17] <CutMeOwnThroat> hm, interesting
1176[04:10:31] <debkad> simonlnu, sid mean unstable?
1177[04:10:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> root 1 0 0 Sep15 ? Ss 1:27 /lib/systemd/systemd --system --deserialize 16
1178[04:10:41] <CutMeOwnThroat> same
1179[04:10:50] <simonlnu> debkad: yes
1180[04:10:57] <CutMeOwnThroat> TomTomTo1, what does yours say exactly?
1181[04:10:59] <debkad> thanks
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1183[04:12:09] <TomTomTo1> CutMeOwnThroat: replaced-url
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1185[04:12:49] <CutMeOwnThroat> I think you could have pasted the one interesting line from that here :)
1186[04:13:05] <CutMeOwnThroat> hmm
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1189[04:14:09] <jnewt> how tricky is it going to be installing debian on a uefi computer now that it already has windows from a bootloader point of view?
1190[04:14:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, the program name *should* show the name of the symlink if it's started via the symlink
1191[04:14:46] <TomTomTo1> that's the default init ran, regardless of which one you use. the docs are not wrong. this bit came after the instructions on how to pass a custom init path as a kernel parameter.
1192[04:14:50] <simonlnu> easy enough, just make sure you don't wipe your ESP and have windows as first system partition
1193[04:15:08] <CutMeOwnThroat> so I guess it's started via /sbin/init on your system but not on ours
1194[04:15:28] <TomTomTo1> the docs didn't say that's how you find out which init runs on your system.
1195[04:15:46] <simonlnu> usually i have ESP, "windows system partition", windows, swap, linux as partitions (if dual-booting)
1196[04:16:10] <simonlnu> and use grub-efi (grub-uefi ?)
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1198[04:16:30] <CutMeOwnThroat> TomTomTo1, and you are using systemd on it?
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1200[04:16:39] <TomTomTo1> yes, all default jessie.
1201[04:16:46] <simonlnu> install os-prober and you don't even have to make a custom grub entry.
1202[04:16:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> strange, as I would have said the same for mine
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1204[04:17:00] <simonlnu> jnewt: ^^^^
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1206[04:17:34] <simonlnu> my now-fried laittude had that setup
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1208[04:17:37] <CutMeOwnThroat> simonlnu, is your system on an encrypted disk?
1209[04:17:39] <simonlnu> latit*
1210[04:17:57] <simonlnu> nope
1211[04:18:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> damn
1212[04:18:12] <simonlnu> i'm stuck on a compaq mini right now
1213[04:18:26] <simonlnu> i doubt it would have the horsepower :P
1214[04:18:40] <CutMeOwnThroat> then I've no idea why systemd should be called as "init" in TomTomTo1's case but not in ours
1215[04:19:08] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, but you haven't got jessie
1216[04:19:11] <TomTomTo1> no idea why it differs, just that the docs are not wrong^^
1217[04:19:14] * debkad is still searching for a zoom tool
1218[04:19:20] <awal1> tom99, I told you that running ps --pid 1 -f you find out the default file path for the init program //sbin/init, under debian) and so that file path points to systemd. nothing wrong in the debian reference doc
1219[04:19:21] <abrotman> mazda
1220[04:19:27] <simonlnu> there's a symlink; maybe it uses some sort of setproctitle() or follows the realpath
1221[04:19:28] <debkad> o_o
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1223[04:19:54] <abrotman> zoom zoom
1224[04:20:01] <awal1> debcad, I think there is xzoom
1225[04:20:01] <debkad> mitsibushi
1226[04:20:04] <simonlnu> abrotman: that's a zoom-zoom tool :P
1227[04:20:15] <abrotman> no, mazda
1228[04:20:16] <awal1> i used it , it work relatively fine
1229[04:20:23] <awal1> debkad
1230[04:20:26] <CutMeOwnThroat> awal1, well… wrong or useless… but it's 1 line in a long docu
1231[04:20:27] <abrotman> debkad: zoom where? for poor vision?
1232[04:20:35] <debkad> awal1, yeah that i tested but it very ugly when i zoom and less controlled :/
1233[04:20:48] <debkad> abrotman, like the one in xfce
1234[04:21:03] <abrotman> vague .. where? to zoom? poor vision? what is your DE now?
1235[04:21:05] <awal1> debkad, thats the only pkg i have found after a long search
1236[04:21:15] <debkad> :((
1237[04:21:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> awal1, and I think somone tested it out on one system when writing that… only results of the ps seem to differ
1238[04:21:35] <awal1> if you are looking for something like windows lents or I dont know how it's called, so saly it's inexistend
1239[04:21:45] <awal1> apart the kde one
1240[04:21:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> TomTomTo1, runlevel N 5?
1241[04:22:01] * abrotman waits for debkad to ansewr
1242[04:22:06] <simonlnu> CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, the fd number varies. dunno what that depends on.
1243[04:22:08] <debkad> abrotman, i'm currently in lxde ( i went to switch to xfce ) but as xfce 4.12 is not here i can't use it :(
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1246[04:22:53] <TomTomTo1> CutMeOwnThroat: yup
1247[04:23:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> simonlnu, I meant that for some it's showing /sbin/init, the name of the symlink (as it should if pid 1 is started via that symlink)
1248[04:23:28] <simonlnu> CutMeOwnThroat: you on sid too?
1249[04:23:34] <abrotman> debkad: xzoom is not helpful ? what have you tried, what doesn't work ?
1250[04:23:36] <debkad> awal1, i tried virtual zoom too , it was for text only
1251[04:23:47] <simonlnu> maybe it depends on how it's started
1252[04:24:16] <debkad> abrotman, i tried xzoom and vmg and another one, but didn't find one like in xfce zoom built in
1253[04:24:36] <awal1> CutMeOwnThroat, I dont really know heavily the technical side of what we are talking about. I just told to that guy time ago that via ps --pid 1 -f the stat /sbin/init one can find out the default init system. details/technical side no much clue :P
1254[04:24:51] <awal1> then stat ... ^
1255[04:24:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> simonlnu, no, I'm on jessie and TomTomTo1 is on jessie and I get a line with systemd like you, he gets bin/init
1256[04:25:11] <simonlnu> init doesn't even appear in my ps auxw output (that has PID 1)
1257[04:25:22] <abrotman> I think there's one built into gnome, which likely doesn't help you
1258[04:25:33] <simonlnu> orca, on gnome
1259[04:25:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> TomTomTo1, /etc/grub.d/10_linux doesn't list /sbin/init as SUPPORTED_INITS
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1261[04:26:14] <simonlnu> SUPPORTED_INITS="sysvinit:/lib/sysvinit/init systemd:/lib/systemd/systemd upstart:/sbin/upstart"
1262[04:26:18] <simonlnu> in mine
1263[04:26:35] <CutMeOwnThroat> yes… and mine
1264[04:26:51] <TomTomTo1> same
1265[04:26:56] <CutMeOwnThroat> and as there is no /lib/sysvinit, we see what we see?
1266[04:27:01] <simonlnu> maybe "/sbin/init" is being deprecated?
1267[04:27:13] <simonlnu> *shrug*
1268[04:27:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> TomTomTo1, but then it's not being started by grub via that script, but in some other way
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1271[04:28:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> except if the first "svinit" has some special meaning and isn't a path
1272[04:28:06] <debkad> abrotman, this is the vmg i tried before replaced-url
1273[04:28:41] <simonlnu> it names them, then it's the path to the init-er
1274[04:28:59] <abrotman> debkad: what's wrong with the ones you tried?
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1277[04:29:37] <debkad> abrotman, vmg is for text only, xzoom is ugly when i zoom
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1284[04:32:25] <awal1> replaced-url
1285[04:32:39] <awal1> ^up-to-date sid system
1286[04:32:39] <debkad> i remember when i read about xfce zoom built-in they said it is a part from compiz or something like that, it is a part from xfwm
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1288[04:32:46] <dragon_> hello
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1290[04:32:53] <debkad> don't know what a secret in that xfwm
1291[04:33:05] <debkad> hi dragon_
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1293[04:33:20] <abrotman> debkad: you might have to use a more "advanced' DE, like gnome
1294[04:33:25] <simonlnu> it auto-zooms for me when i press left-alt (xfwm4)
1295[04:33:53] <debkad> abrotman, that the big problem i have, my pc is old 1G ram with P4
1296[04:33:55] <tom99> awal1: Technically the documentation is correct, since ps --pid 1 -f does show the actual init command.
1297[04:33:56] <simonlnu> confused the heck outta me when i saw it the first time :P
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1299[04:34:21] <tom99> However would you agree a user might be forgiven for running that command, seeing "/sbin/init" as the output, and concluding that systemd was not being used?
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1301[04:34:57] <abrotman> debkad: that's great .. if you don't want to use Firevox
1302[04:35:31] <awal1> tom99, just comparing what stat /proc/1/exe shhows ?
1303[04:35:40] <awal1> ^as super user
1304[04:35:58] <debkad> abrotman, just a zoom part was interesting me, that why i used xfce before
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1306[04:36:27] <tom99> I don't understand.
1307[04:37:23] <awal1> just wanted to know which output you get with that command using sysvinit
1308[04:37:48] <tom99> When I run ps --pid 1 -f I get init
1309[04:37:56] <debkad> abrotman, the final goal is using my remote control ( worked in xfce as i said ) whith just my remote control when i'm away from my pc i can control it ( like watching tv, listening, zooming some part, opening a video player ...etc ) stuff like that
1310[04:38:01] <awal1> stat /proc/1/exe
1311[04:38:10] <awal1> tom99, ^
1312[04:38:23] * abrotman wonders why not use XFCE now
1313[04:38:29] <debkad> hmm exe
1314[04:38:45] <debkad> abrotman, because it is 4.10
1315[04:38:54] <tom99> awal1: it says /proc/1/exe points to /sbin/init
1316[04:38:57] <debkad> 4.12 have the zoom built-in
1317[04:39:21] <awal1> tom99, thats all?
1318[04:39:30] <debkad> and it is impossible as they said here
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1320[04:40:06] <tom99> awal1: no. there is some more text about numbers and Inodes
1321[04:40:12] <tom99> what does it mean?
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1323[04:43:25] <mado> catch you all in a few ... have to reboot and try something else :)
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1326[04:44:31] <awal1> tom99, sorry but I'm not a debian GNU/Linux teacher / I dont have a PHD in debian system :P :D
1327[04:45:21] <tom99> awal1: fair enough. i am just trying to learn more myself as well
1328[04:45:36] <awal1> you're doing good
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1330[04:46:31] <debkad> ok
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1338[04:50:45] <awal1> debkad, as i told you kde DE comes with a tool for zooming just like the microsoft windows one
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1340[04:51:11] <awal1> if you really need a zooming tool use kde
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1343[04:51:32] <debkad> awal1, i just need a simple tool, i can't use kde or gnome as i'm limited
1344[04:51:42] <awal1> so xzoom
1345[04:51:48] <debkad> ugly
1346[04:51:50] <awal1> there is no more tools
1347[04:52:07] <debkad> there is but xfce 4.12 can't be installed
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1350[04:54:01] <awal1> xfce 4.12 zoos yeah, but not in xfce session right now; can't check how it does that exactly (if a plugin or an xfwm4 built in feature
1351[04:54:07] <awal1> zoos ^
1352[04:54:15] <awal1> zooms^
1353[04:54:36] <debkad> that right
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1355[04:54:50] <debkad> it is xfwm4 with a part from compiz
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1358[04:55:30] <awal1> thers is another tool I used under wheezy and does the job better then xzoom but I forgot the name and i dont find it using aptcache/aptitude search
1359[04:55:49] <debkad> ah
1360[04:55:57] <debkad> kmag may be?
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1369[04:57:37] <debkad> no it wasn't it, it is a tool from kde
1370[04:58:15] <awal1> usually kfoo is a kde pkg
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1372[04:59:07] <debkad> weird i can't find it
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1380[05:02:52] <awal1> debkad, I was confused xmag vs xzoom. it's xzoom
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1384[05:03:28] <debkad> o_o
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1388[05:05:38] <awal1> well, since there is only xzoom, the kde one and a built in feature under gnome & xfce, you may consider buying a magnifying glass, debkad :P :D
1389[05:05:57] <debkad> lol
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1400[05:12:06] <mado> hello again everyone :)
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1404[05:13:30] <debkad> welcome back mado
1405[05:13:52] <mado> thank you, debkad
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1408[05:14:37] <mado> so far i've managed to install a few things and configure some things ... step by step i'm getting somewhere : )
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1414[05:17:12] <mado> earlier i've also learnt that i can download the text from a website and view it offline via "wget <url>" : )
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1417[05:18:24] <mado> i'm now trying to find out if i can automate such a process so that i can read an entire book :)
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1422[05:20:17] <mado> example -> ... instead of using the command a couple of times on -> replaced-url
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1424[05:21:28] <vyadhaka2> I need to install latest kernel to test a fix for a bug, I think the latest stable one is 4.7.4, what is the process, do I just download and install the .deb files?
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1426[05:23:33] <TomTomTo1> vyadhaka2: there is no debian package for 4.7.4, for kernels from kernel.org have a look at this: replaced-url
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1430[05:24:30] <TomTomTo1> vyadhaka2: jessie-backports has 4.6, though.
1431[05:25:45] <vyadhaka2> TomTomTo1: no Need 4.7+, its a resume from suspend bug (hardlocking the sys), apparently it's fixed in 4.7+, so no precompiled .deb packages??
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1433[05:26:23] <TomTomTo1> nope
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1436[05:27:40] <missmbob> vyadhaka2: i made some for jessie if you want. replaced-url
1437[05:27:55] <erm3nda> QUESTION: Hi can authenticate to mount devices. The auth step blinks and throws error, but i can't operate on that window
1438[05:28:06] <erm3nda> err, i can't authenticate
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1440[05:29:45] <mado> you know what guys? ... i think i'll better rest some : )
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1444[05:30:14] <mado> see you all later i hope :)
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1463[05:33:15] <vyadhaka2> missmbob: thanks! that saves me quite a bit of time
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1518[05:36:47] <erm3nda> i've uploaded two screenshots here: replaced-url
1519[05:36:47] <erm3nda> the first popup blinks so fast for a second and then the other appears on top. i don't know whats wrong, that never happens before
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2578[05:43:40] <vyadhaka0> missmbob_, do I download the firmware deb file as well? or just the image and header files?
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2600[05:44:14] <missmbob_> vyadhaka0: everything but the dbg package if you dont want that
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2893[05:48:12] <vyadhaka0> I dont see dbg package, only firmware, headers, image, and libc files?
2894[05:48:12] <vyadhaka0> so install all 4?
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3526[05:54:16] -Sygln- [Global Notice] Freenode is currently under a Chinese-backed DDOS attack. We are working to mitigate the attack at this time.
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3676[06:09:44] <vyadhaka1> missmbob: those compiled deb files did not work? just boots to a blank screen? what is the command to uninstall that kernel?
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3684[06:10:34] <aggi> apt-get purge?
3685[06:11:08] <vyadhaka1> aggi: what file name should I give?
3686[06:11:41] <aggi> see dpkg -l | grep linux-image
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3689[06:12:35] <vyadhaka1> will it also uninstall the header files?
3690[06:12:45] <aggi> do not remove all kernels and see that the boot loader still has a valid config to boot one
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3692[06:13:06] <aggi> no, probably not
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3694[06:13:22] <vyadhaka1> aggi: yep only trying to unintall 4.7.4
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3702[06:15:17] <aggi> interesting, this kernel does not show up yet with debian testing
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3704[06:15:52] <vyadhaka1> no installed it from precompiled by missmbob
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3820[06:20:25] <vyadhaka1> looks like resuming from suspend from RAM seems to have become very buggy, used to work flawlessly, apparently there is a bug in the kernel,
3821[06:20:25] <vyadhaka1> when will 4.7.4 be available in backports?
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4358[06:28:45] <georgeilots_> Hello, I have a Sony Vaio vpcz1 22gx laptop. I've tried to install Kali Linux on it, with no luck because when it trys to detect the hard drive,
4359[06:28:45] <georgeilots_> the installer doesnt. Asks me if I want to install to iSCSI ip address? Now I'm looking at this laptop on windows 7 and there is a Intel ich8m-
4360[06:28:45] <georgeilots_> e/5 series sata raid controller, in Intel Rapid Storage Technology app, with Volume 0, Type: RAID 122GB Array_0000. and below it are two 61GB
4361[06:28:45] <georgeilots_> drive(s). One is Array disk Port: 0 Toshiba THNS064GG2BNAA, and Array disk Port: 2 same Toshiba drive. My question is there a way to add the
4362[06:28:48] <georgeilots_> drivers of this to a USB stick and then run shell terminal through the Kali Linux installer, and mount the usb drive and use it for the driver
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4364[06:28:50] <georgeilots_> for the Intel ich8m-e/5 series sata raid controller? I've tried googling all those but im not really getting anything I can use or download? Or
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4366[06:28:53] <georgeilots_> instructions on how to do it. May someone please help me out or point me in the right direction.
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4399[06:37:19] <tom99> why does it matter if you are installing from a disk or a usb stick?
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4420[06:42:13] <iamawesome> Hi, I've installed debian and necessary packages i needed. It didn't exceed 8GB, is there any problem with that?
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4423[06:42:36] <iamawesome> I think, 10GB is enough to install what you need. Am i right?
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4426[06:42:53] <otirc> iamawesome: yeah, that should be fine
4427[06:43:08] <SQL> I run most of my VM's with 4GB. 10 is normally plenty.
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4432[06:44:32] <otirc> my fresh install of jessie was around 8-9GB
4433[06:44:55] <iamawesome> otirc: Fresh install 9GB? How?
4434[06:44:59] <SQL> I suppose to be fair, I'm not installing X / etc.
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4436[06:45:13] <iamawesome> otirc: Did you install everything of gnome? Full gnome?
4437[06:45:40] <otirc> iamawesome: yeah the full gnome suite, plus I use mate over x2go
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4445[06:49:33] <pingfloyd> worrying about partition sizes. How quaint.
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4449[06:50:19] <otirc> pingfloyd: lvm or physical?
4450[06:50:46] <pingfloyd> you don't have to worry about it with lvm
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4452[06:51:05] <otirc> that was why I was asking
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4454[06:51:26] <pingfloyd> you're asking whether you should use it?
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4460[06:52:18] <otirc> sorry,wrong end of the stick. I though you were playing with partitions
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4476[07:00:41] <ChristineP> replaced-url
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4479[07:01:02] <ChristineP> America will be sending $38,000,000,000 dollars over the next 10 years to their masters in Tel Aviv — making this the biggest Military aid package in US history.
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4481[07:01:28] <ChristineP> People have blind support for Israel because they are completely brainwashed by the mainstream media propaganda. Most Americans have no idea how their hard earned tax dollars are going.
4482[07:01:35] <iamawesome> I've installed only gnome-core, is it enough?
4483[07:01:54] <ChristineP> . When you speak with someone who doesn’t know about the happenings on the group, bring up the Illegal settlements outside their borders, stealing Palestinian land, and the torture/killing of Palestinian children.
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4485[07:02:50] <iamawesome> ChristineP: It's wrong channel. It's #debian , join ##chat
4486[07:02:53] <peterrooney> !ops ^
4487[07:02:53] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: peterrooney complains about: ^
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4489[07:02:59] <otirc> ChristineP: is anyof that money going on kernel development?
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4493[07:04:07] <otirc> iamawesome: yeah core is fine, just add what you need once you've logged in
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4497[07:06:25] <iamawesome> What's the difference between Firefox ESR of debian and the one I downloaded from firefox official website?
4498[07:06:32] <iamawesome> Which should i use?
4499[07:06:46] <iamawesome> I've downloaded this: firefox-48.0.2.tar.bz2
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4501[07:08:01] <TomTomTosch> one gets security updates through the package manager and the other does not.
4502[07:08:06] <otirc> iamawesome: ESR is the version for communities, companies and etc
4503[07:08:26] <otirc> iamawesome: always better to stick with the repo version
4504[07:08:36] <pingfloyd> iamawesome: there's not much point in downloading from mozilla if you're going to use ESR, in this case.
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4508[07:09:09] <pingfloyd> if you want to keep up with the latest version of firefox, it would be a different story
4509[07:09:11] <iamawesome> I think, firefox has been installed automatically with debian.
4510[07:09:25] <iamawesome> *Firefox esr*
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4512[07:09:38] <pingfloyd> at least the package will be maintained by debian for you
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4514[07:09:56] <johnwhat> it's not called iceweasel any more?
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4516[07:10:05] <TomTomTosch> nope
4517[07:10:07] <han-solo> !firefox
4518[07:10:07] <dpkg> From 2006 to 2016, Mozilla Firefox was known as "Iceweasel" in Debian because Mozilla would not permit Debian to use the Firefox name. Firefox packages are now available for both jessie and sid; Firefox in Debian <stable> follows the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. For the latest versions, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>.
4519[07:11:05] <iamawesome> johnwhat: Applications menu>Internet>Icewease->Firefox ESR
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4522[07:11:24] <johnwhat> iamawesome: what's ESR?
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4525[07:11:37] <iamawesome> johnwhat: Extended support release
4526[07:11:37] <pingfloyd> nice! I didn't know about mozilla.debian.net before
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4653[08:04:14] <ecom> I've just installed Debian Jessie (8.6) and I am unable to get wireless working properly. My ethernet connection is fine. For some reason I can only load google and do google searches, but I can't access any other site, anyone know why?
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4659[08:09:56] <otirc> ecom: have you set your resolv.conf for your nameserver?
4660[08:10:19] <somiaj> ecom: you most likely need to install the nonfree firmware
4661[08:10:41] <ecom> otirc: yup, /etc/resolv.conf and I also have the iwlwifi driver fully installed
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4663[08:11:04] <somiaj> ecom: in that case you will need firmware-iwlwifi from debian non-free
4664[08:11:11] <ecom> somiaj: yes I already have that
4665[08:11:14] <otirc> you able to ping local network?
4666[08:11:28] <otirc> using wireless int?
4667[08:11:31] <ecom> otirc: No I cannot ping any sites for some reason, but I can access google for whatever reason
4668[08:11:37] <somiaj> ecom: what wifi card do you have?
4669[08:11:48] <ecom> somiaj: Intel Wireless-N 1000 Centrino
4670[08:11:50] <otirc> local, before you pass your router
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4672[08:11:57] <somiaj> ecom: check dmesg make sure the firmware has loaded correctly, 'dmesg | grep firmware'
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4674[08:12:41] <otirc> the private ip addrs of your router?
4675[08:12:41] <ecom> somiaj: iwlwifi shows up in that output and so does iwldvm
4676[08:13:12] <somiaj> then follow otirc suggestions about checking network settings. Seems you got the firmware loaded and seems your card is supported by jessie. replaced-url
4677[08:13:14] <ecom> otirc: I can ping my local network
4678[08:13:38] <otirc> so wireless driver is correct
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4680[08:14:17] <otirc> can you get to the internet with ethernet?
4681[08:14:50] <ecom> otirc: yes, that's actually how I'm talking to you right now. If I disconnect ethernet I will loose my connection. Ethernet is fully functional.
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4685[08:15:59] <otirc> have you just tried bringing the interface down then back up
4686[08:16:36] <otirc> you did test ping, with the wireless int, not the wired int?
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4688[08:17:14] <surfist> does ifconfig show an ip address for the wireless interface?
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4691[08:19:11] <ecom> surfist: I don't see anything related to an IP address from 'ifconfig' under 'wlan0'
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4694[08:19:52] <surfist> looks like it's not connected to anything then
4695[08:20:07] <otirc> ecom: have you connected to the AP
4696[08:20:11] <ecom> surfist: wait, are you talking about the inet addr stuff?
4697[08:20:18] <surfist> yep
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4699[08:20:34] <surfist> should be something like 192.168.x.x
4700[08:20:37] <ecom> surfist: I take back what I said earlier, there is an address and it's my public address
4701[08:20:49] <ecom> public ip address*
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4704[08:21:31] <otirc> ecom: same subnet?
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4709[08:23:12] <ecom> otirc: Is that the mask part of the output under 'ifconfig'?
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4712[08:23:51] <otirc> yeah, something like 255.255.255.0
4713[08:24:06] <ecom> otirc: it's exactly that for both wlan0 and eth0
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4717[08:24:13] <surfist> the mask will be Bcast:
4718[08:24:20] <surfist> wait
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4720[08:24:29] <surfist> Mask:
4721[08:24:50] <surfist> inet addr: should be your ip
4722[08:25:17] <otirc> did you take the int down and bring it back up?
4723[08:25:26] <surfist> ecom are you connecting to a modem? or a router
4724[08:26:26] <ecom> surfist: It's a two in one thing, so both?
4725[08:26:46] <surfist> probably the router part
4726[08:26:58] <surfist> but showing an outside ip is strange
4727[08:27:32] <surfist> the 'route' command should show some wlan0 info also
4728[08:27:46] <surfist> esp what default is
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4730[08:27:56] <surfist> arp should spit out some fun too
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4732[08:28:39] <surfist> ecom how is your wlan0 connecting? some gui?
4733[08:28:56] <ecom> surfist: I used nmcli device wifi connect mySSID password XXXXXX
4734[08:29:24] <surfist> have you tried dhclient wlan0 ?
4735[08:29:55] <ecom> surfist: yes, it says 'RTNETLINK answers: File exists
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4741[08:32:04] <ecom> I'm going to try something, I will go offline, brb
4742[08:32:05] <surfist> maybe it's stuck
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4784[09:01:26] <saboru> checked your logs?
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