• 0[00:00:10] <pingfloyd> tom99: so you are either installing and running sysv init or systemd's
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• 2[00:00:36] <pingfloyd> systemd maintains some backward compatibility with sysv through systemd-sysv package though
• 3[00:00:41] <marrenarre> Hi. I want an Xmonad setup that "just works" (basically). Should I just install some desktop environment using the installer and then replace the window manager or something? I'm having some problems with getting Xorg Server to work manually.
• 4[00:00:50] <_0xbadc0de> nomodeset can I add this to boot options?
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• 7[00:01:02] <opv> troffasky: in case you're interested, it was avahi. removed it and all is well now
• 8[00:01:25] <pingfloyd> tom99: so you have a choice still which init system you want to use. You can remove systemd and use sysv instead. There's a procedure for that.
• 9[00:01:35] <tom99> my point is on my wheezy box it's using sysv, and when I typed 'apt-get install systemd' it said it's only going to remove 3 packages, none of which is sysvinit-core
• 10[00:01:54] <pingfloyd> tom99: that's wheezy
• 11[00:02:02] <pingfloyd> tom99: systemd didn't become the default until jessie
• 12[00:02:07] <tom99> pingfloyd: ok that's cool. my problem is that it's removing a package without telling me if what you're saying is true
• 13[00:02:20] <pingfloyd> so packages may be layed out differently between the two releases
• 14[00:02:23] <tom99> apt-get is supposed to list what packages will be removed or added
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• 18[00:03:00] <pingfloyd> if you're using wheezy, I'd just stick with sysv and not mess with it.
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• 20[00:03:26] <tom99> it says packages will be removed: tor, tor-geoipdb, init-system-helpers
• 21[00:03:53] <tom99> it will download: libpam-systemd, libsystemd-id128-0, libsystemd-journal0, and systemd
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• 23[00:04:05] <tom99> pingfloyd: yes that seems the wisest course
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• 25[00:04:18] <pingfloyd> tom99: systemd isn't all its cracked up to be anyway
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• 28[00:05:00] <pingfloyd> I think sysv is far more admin friendly since it so much more transparent what is going on
• 29[00:05:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> marrenarre, there shouldn't be any difference installing X by yourself or via the installer with a DE
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• 31[00:05:40] <tom99> pingfloyd: why was systemd the replacement?
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• 33[00:05:57] <pingfloyd> like if you understand shell scripting, you've got sysv at your beck and whim
• 34[00:06:01] <pingfloyd> tom99: politics
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• 36[00:06:26] <pingfloyd> tom99: I think it was a terrible decisions, but at least we can still use sysv if we want without too much hassle
• 37[00:06:43] <dD_> My screen flickers when I'm on GNOME but not LXDE, any idea what it could be?
• 38[00:06:48] <pingfloyd> tom99: however, some programs depend on systemd because they've jumped on that bandwagon
• 39[00:06:50] <marrenarre> CutMeOwnThroat: In that case I suppose I'll have issues using the installer as well then. It seems my video card is (seemingly) too new for the open source NVIDIA driver.
• 40[00:06:51] <tom99> pingfloyd: interesting, i'll remember that.
• 41[00:07:00] <tom99> oh. DEPENDENCY HELLLLLLLLLL
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• 43[00:07:09] <teraflops> lol politics
• 44[00:07:11] <pingfloyd> so there will be certain packages you have to be using systemd in order to install and use
• 45[00:07:12] <teraflops> sorry
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• 47[00:07:31] <teraflops> it's friday I have the right to enjoy a bit
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• 49[00:07:52] <awal1> aptitude why / why-not - apt-cache depends / rdepends will help you for understand stuff in similar situation, tom99
• 50[00:07:57] <marrenarre> In that case, I'd be interested to know how to run Xorg rootless with proprietary drivers, but maybe I should ask that in ##linux instead.
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• 52[00:08:10] <teraflops> pingfloyd: no offense intended I apologize
• 53[00:08:19] <pingfloyd> teraflops: none taken
• 54[00:08:56] <tom99> Tip
• 55[00:08:56] <tom99> The actual init command on your system can be verified by the "ps --pid 1 -f" command.
• 56[00:08:59] <stoned> dD_: laptop?
• 57[00:09:07] <tom99> ^ I don't see how that can be true if /sbin/init is a symlink
• 58[00:09:15] <dD_> stoned, yes
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• 60[00:09:33] <stoned> How bad is the flickering?
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• 62[00:09:46] <pingfloyd> tom99: where did you see that tip?
• 63[00:09:58] <teraflops> marrenarre: about xmonad just search for dotfiles + github + xmonad in google
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• 65[00:10:15] <awal1> tom99, what's your alternative ? tech us :P
• 66[00:10:17] <pingfloyd> tom99: that tip sounds inaccurate
• 67[00:10:21] <awal1> teach ^
• 68[00:10:22] <tom99> pingfloyd: the debian reference manual: replaced-url
• 69[00:10:26] <CutMeOwnThroat> marrenarre, possible… part of the driver is in the kernel, you could try a newer kernel version from backports.
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• 71[00:10:36] <pingfloyd> tom99: if anything, a better assessment of that is ls -l /sbin/init
• 72[00:11:02] <marrenarre> CutMeOwnThroat: Actually, I should get out of this channel, because I'm using Debian Testing.
• 73[00:11:09] <awal1> pingfloyd, +1
• 74[00:11:11] <tom99> well, something was wrong on the internet. now my faith in all of humanity is shattered
• 75[00:11:12] <pingfloyd> tom99: I'd say this is a pretty dead giveaway that one is using system (in debian at least): lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Sep 2 15:02 /sbin/init -> /lib/systemd/systemd
• 76[00:11:22] <teraflops> marrenarre: debian uses alternatives system, if you feel more comfortable having ~/.xinitrc go pick one
• 77[00:11:32] <pingfloyd> *is using systemd*
• 78[00:11:46] <teraflops> marrenarre: xorg runs as user in debian testing
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• 82[00:12:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> marrenarre, hm, but then you've got pretty new versions of everything anyway… and yes… you probably get better help for that on irc.oftc.net where the offical official channels are and there with #debian-next where the guy who run testing hang out
• 83[00:12:20] <mado> hello everyone : )
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• 85[00:12:40] <dD_> stoned, renders it almost unusable. it keeps flickering between the current state and the last state (so imagine i alt+tab, it flickers between both screens)
• 86[00:12:52] <stoned> Oh
• 87[00:12:54] <tom99> maybe somebody should update the debian reference so you know.. it REFERS to accurate commands?
• 88[00:12:58] <stoned> stable? or testing/sid?
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• 90[00:13:29] <pingfloyd> tom99: you should probably submit a report if that was where you read that
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• 92[00:13:33] <marrenarre> teraflops: Well when setting it up manually Xorg doesn't find any screen when not run as root. I've tried adding needs_root_rights = no in the Xwrapper.config file but it still doesn't work.
• 93[00:13:47] <tom99> pingfloyd: I don't know how to do that
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• 95[00:14:05] <pingfloyd> tom99: probably one of the mailing lists, but I'm not sure
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• 97[00:14:23] <marrenarre> So that's why I'm thinking the installer solves it better than I do. But then if it uses the open source driver it won't work anyway, and also I guess if it did then the rootless thing wouldn't be a problem.
• 98[00:14:49] <tom99> pingfloyd: well i'm the noob here, so I would need someone knowledgeable to tell me where that might be
• 99[00:15:00] <portersmith> There should be no reason why anyone should be thrown in jail for questioning the facts and different aspects of the history of World War II, including the so-called Jewish Holocaust. Something STINKS. Jewish groups, we're onto your abusive lies, your scams, your hatred, your malicious: we're onto the fact that your emperor has no clothes. The truth has been exposed and it is going viral.
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• 101[00:15:12] <tom99> Please file bug reports on the debian-reference package using reportbug(1) if you find any issues on this document. Please include correction suggestion by "diff -u" to the plain text version or to the source.
• 102[00:15:18] <tom99> ^ That's what the document itself says
• 103[00:15:59] <CutMeOwnThroat> marrenarre, what do you mean with "set up manually"… don't you use a greeter?
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• 105[00:16:05] <teraflops> marrenarre: setting up manually? did I miss the part where you said what GPU you're using and the drivers
• 106[00:16:28] <tom99> What will diff -u do?
• 107[00:16:33] <teraflops> marrenarre: startx pulls from alternatives system
• 108[00:16:41] <marrenarre> teraflops: Yeah you missed it but I can't really blame you since I did too...
• 109[00:17:19] <marrenarre> Which shows that since this thing depends on what I did, maybe I did something wrong, so I was thinking I'd trust the installer to know better.
• 110[00:17:47] <teraflops> what do you mean by installer?
• 111[00:17:58] <marrenarre> Anyway I have a GTX 1060 and I installed nvidia-driver via apt-get. I installed linux-source first because it didn't work without doing so, it seemed.
• 112[00:18:08] <marrenarre> Well if I let the installer set up some desktop environment for me, I mean.
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• 114[00:18:23] <teraflops> marrenarre: did you install a DE?
• 115[00:18:33] <marrenarre> teraflops: No.
• 116[00:19:00] <teraflops> go install something so startx can start something I guess
• 117[00:19:00] <marrenarre> CutMeOwnThroat: If that means what I think it means then no.
• 118[00:19:19] <marrenarre> I used to have this working before, with an older video card, logging in through the terminal just fine.
• 119[00:19:49] <marrenarre> Presumably it worked because the open source drivers was compatible with that card.
• 120[00:19:50] <cra1g321> the 1060 isn't supported by any the jessie or jessie-backports packages
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• 122[00:20:01] <cra1g321> of the*
• 123[00:20:03] <marrenarre> driver*
• 124[00:20:12] <teraflops> then looks like some issue there (I suppose), I'd paste the xorg.log for the #debian-next guys
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• 126[00:20:19] <mado> yet? ... or will never be supported? (if i may ask)
• 127[00:20:23] <pingfloyd> marrenarre: you probably just needed the linux-headers package matching your running linux image version instead of the linux-source package
• 128[00:20:28] <teraflops> mado: if no luck there try here
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• 130[00:20:49] <mado> i've never been "there" ...
• 131[00:20:51] <pingfloyd> and the dkms packages
• 132[00:21:16] <awal1> marrenare, if you want to run xmonad, so apt-get install xmonad + xorg then use xinitrc and startx or start it via a DM. you'll have to lear about haskel language for configure it at your way; basic config is very limited
• 133[00:21:23] <awal1> marrenarre
• 134[00:21:24] <teraflops> marrenarre: xorg.log would be helpful ^
• 135[00:21:28] <mado> i was just curious because i thought about getting maybe this graphics card too in the future ... so far i'm stuck with this "typewriter" here : )
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• 137[00:21:59] <marrenarre> awal1: The problem is unrelated to xmonad AFAIK.
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• 139[00:22:00] <awal1> haskell ^
• 140[00:22:08] <mado> here's another question for you guys ... don't worry i can post it later again so that you can focus on the issues of the others ...
• 141[00:22:11] <teraflops> awal1: :S
• 142[00:22:26] <awal1> marrenarre, you was talking about it before :p
• 143[00:22:27] <marrenarre> Haskell is cool though.
• 144[00:22:49] <marrenarre> awal1: Yeah but Xmonad is more of the goal I guess hehe.
• 145[00:22:50] <pingfloyd> marrenarre: yeah, I guess if you're masochistic
• 146[00:23:01] <teraflops> :O
• 147[00:23:02] <mado> i'd like to disable my touchpad ... and only use my mouse ... replaced-url
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• 149[00:23:47] <marrenarre> pingfloyd: You mean I need linux headers that match and that I do not need the linux-source package?
• 150[00:23:48] <_0xbadc0de> how can I boot into recovery mode?
• 151[00:23:57] <marrenarre> How come my linux headers would not be matching at the moment?
• 152[00:24:03] <mado> also it'd be great if my current monitor settings could be saved and not revert back to what they were when i first booted the computer earlier
• 153[00:24:09] <tom99> _0xbadc0de, on my debian box it gives an option in grub when the system starts to choose recovery mode
• 154[00:24:11] <pingfloyd> mado: that seems like a very gnome dependent way
• 155[00:24:30] <pingfloyd> mado: a more agnostic way, assuming your touchpad supports it, is through synclient
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• 157[00:24:47] <mado> well i am using gnome right now, pingfloyd ... i wouldn't have known though if it was : )
• 158[00:25:20] <teraflops> marrenarre: replaced-url
• 159[00:25:30] <mado> does this help you pingfloyd?
• 160[00:25:31] <mado> mario@mcmd:~$ egrep -i 'synap|alps|etps' /proc/bus/input/devices
• 161[00:25:36] <mado> N: Name="SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"
• 162[00:25:42] <teraflops> marrenarre: look at the what provides
• 163[00:25:50] <pingfloyd> mado: then synclient should probably work
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• 166[00:26:10] <mado> i found that command somewhere in a manual
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• 168[00:26:20] <pingfloyd> looks like you have a synaptics one, which is what it was originally designed for (I think it does support some of the other non-synaptic ones too though).
• 169[00:26:46] <mado> okay then ... i'll try and find this -> synclient <- then
• 170[00:27:02] <marrenarre> teraflops: nvidia-kernel-340.96?
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• 172[00:27:09] <dD_> stoned, testing
• 173[00:27:33] <stoned> dD_: go on irc.debian.org #debian-next
• 174[00:27:33] <teraflops> marrenarre: or dkms
• 175[00:27:41] <mado> package cannot be found, pingfloyd
• 176[00:27:42] <pingfloyd> mado: with synaptics it should be as easy as: synclient TouchpadOff 1
• 177[00:27:46] <teraflops> just pointing at what pingfloyd said
• 178[00:27:48] <dD_> stoned, thanks
• 179[00:28:11] <pingfloyd> mado: it should be in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
• 180[00:28:14] <teraflops> _0xbadc0de: replaced-url
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• 183[00:28:39] <pingfloyd> so you could just add that command I gave to your session's startup settings
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• 186[00:28:53] <mado> oh so it's a command!
• 187[00:29:02] <sine0> can someone suggest a command line type of backup system thats like dropbox
• 188[00:29:04] <mado> and here was me thinking it was some tool : ) ... my bad, pingfloyd
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• 190[00:29:19] <pingfloyd> what I do is have a script with all my synclient settings and have my xfce4 startup invoke it.
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• 192[00:29:38] <pingfloyd> in gnome, there should be some place you can set what gets run when gnome starts up
• 193[00:29:49] <teraflops> pingfloyd: yuo can use a xorg snippet too
• 194[00:29:49] <marrenarre> teraflops: Oh I ignored the sentence before it. So I need to get the dkms and source packages, and build the kernel module?
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• 196[00:29:57] <pingfloyd> teraflops: yeah
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• 198[00:30:41] <teraflops> marrenarre: im not aware of nvidia in debian, and I dont use testing so im not a good source
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• 200[00:31:12] <pingfloyd> e.g., create a file with the settings you want for synaptics under say /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ in xorg.conf format
• 201[00:31:14] <marrenarre> I was going to use unstable but dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration broke when I did dist-upgrade...
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• 203[00:31:44] <teraflops> pingfloyd: nah I setup my libinput options in ~/.xprofile :S
• 204[00:31:57] <pingfloyd> I usually turn off all the DE applet crap for my touchpad and have synaptics/synclient handle it since you get much better granular control
• 205[00:32:13] <pingfloyd> and as a plus will be in effect regardless of DE/WM you use
• 206[00:32:27] <marrenarre> teraflops: But I should look into building the kernel module, right?
• 207[00:32:41] <jhutchins> !nvidia
• 208[00:32:41] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see replaced-url
• 209[00:32:54] <teraflops> jhutchins: thanks!
• 210[00:33:01] <pingfloyd> marrenarre: source package or linux-headers package
• 211[00:33:05] <jhutchins> marrenarre: You should read the documentation and not try to get by with irc advice.
• 212[00:33:28] <pingfloyd> marrenarre: dependency resolution usually should pull in what you need though
• 213[00:33:51] <mado> i have also just found -> replaced-url
• 214[00:33:52] <jhutchins> pingfloyd: No offenise intended, but they really shouldn't be winging module builds, it will only result in more support questions.
• 215[00:34:03] <pingfloyd> jhutchins: I agree
• 216[00:34:25] <pingfloyd> jhutchins: if it breaks though, they get to keep both pieces :)
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• 218[00:34:35] <marrenarre> Yeah I wouldn't really know how to do that so I agree.
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• 220[00:34:56] <pingfloyd> jhutchins: ideally they take the advice they get here and research more
• 221[00:35:04] <Somelauw> In /etc/defaults/keyboard, I have a line that says XKBOPTIONS=lctrl-altgr,caps:escape, but when I press lctrl-altgr nothing happens.
• 222[00:35:10] <pingfloyd> then it will make more sense as they read up on it
• 223[00:35:18] <marrenarre> And I'm trying to google but you guys are too eager to help.
• 224[00:35:42] <teraflops> marrenarre: dont try google try replaced-url
• 225[00:35:56] <marrenarre> I found that on Google so it's ok.
• 226[00:36:00] <teraflops> :P
• 227[00:36:10] <pingfloyd> but you know the old saying, "you can lead a horse to water..."
• 228[00:36:30] <marrenarre> But now I know that you guys approve of it so I guess the link *is* useful.
• 229[00:36:35] <jasonpowers> Israel is a Jewish ghetto fortress on the Suez Canal from which no one ever gets extradited. No more POGROMS: the Jewish criminals just flee to Israel.
• 230[00:36:38] <mado> i'm still checking out what you told me though, pingfloyd
• 231[00:36:42] <jhutchins> The guides on the debian site are usually a pretty good resource, but they do get out of date sometimes.
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• 233[00:36:58] <pingfloyd> marrenarre: like jhutchins is advising, you read up more about the proper process
• 234[00:37:14] <teraflops> there's a fine wiki, so use it
• 235[00:37:23] <pingfloyd> s/you/you should/
• 236[00:37:28] <teraflops> it's fine most of the time at least ^
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• 238[00:37:55] <tom99> jasonpowers: what's your evidence for criminals not being prosecuted and fleeing to israel?
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• 240[00:38:52] <marrenarre> The thing is that page is for stable releases. Should I just follow the one for jessie?
• 241[00:38:55] <teraflops> tom99: he left
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• 243[00:39:18] <tom99> teraflops: oh i turned off leave/join in this channel, whoops
• 244[00:39:32] <pingfloyd> marrenarre: that's where you'll want to check even more references for potential caveats
• 245[00:39:35] <mado> the -> xserver-xorg-input-synaptics <- is installed ... now i need to find it, pingfloyd : )
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• 250[00:40:03] <pingfloyd> mado: start off with reading man 4 synaptics
• 251[00:40:18] <CutMeOwnThroat> also, don't respond to spam like that, kthx
• 252[00:40:26] <teraflops> tom99: use smart filter at least ^
• 253[00:40:28] <marrenarre> Ugh why is there so much new stuff. If only everything had existed since the 90s, everything would be well-supported.
• 254[00:40:44] <pingfloyd> mado: bear in mind all the options it lists can be through xorg.conf{,.d/*} or invoked directly via synclient command.
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• 256[00:41:09] <mado> pingfloyd: i'm afraid i don't know yet what that means ... i'm new to all this stuff here : )
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• 261[00:42:39] <marrenarre> But even the latest driver on that page doesn't list my GPU as a supported device.
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• 263[00:42:50] <marrenarre> Maybe I should just learn to use a text-based web browser...
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• 265[00:43:11] <pingfloyd> mado: for example you could create a file say 99-synapics under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ or edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf directly following the syntax in the example under the synopsis of the man page. However you could invoke those same option like: synclient <OptionName> <Value> at the command line or through a script.
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• 268[00:43:39] <pingfloyd> *(99-synaptics.conf)
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• 270[00:44:18] <pingfloyd> as far as editing xorg.conf, I recommend creating files under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ directory instead
• 271[00:44:34] <pingfloyd> it's easier to manage that way
• 272[00:45:29] <pingfloyd> also, too verify if your setting take effect, look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log after you started a new X session after making the changes.
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• 274[00:46:11] <mado> pingfloyd: take it slower with me please ... i'm trying to follow you : )
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• 278[00:46:58] <pingfloyd> mado: in your case, do you just want to disable the touchpad altogether?
• 279[00:47:06] <yokisuci> iam drunk
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• 281[00:47:19] <yokisuci> drunk
• 282[00:47:26] <mado> -> replaced-url
• 283[00:47:36] <mado> there is no "xorg.conf.d" directory
• 284[00:47:40] <yokisuci> huh?
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• 286[00:48:05] <yokisuci> crap night
• 287[00:48:18] <pingfloyd> mado: the xorg.conf.d directory isn't created by default. You must 'mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d' first.
• 288[00:48:20] <marrenarre> Actually though this would all be solved by finding a neat way to run Xorg as root while still logging in through the terminal.
• 289[00:49:18] <mado> altogether? ... well pingfloyd ... i think it'd be great if i could turn it off completely because i do have a mouse plugged in via usb ... but if i ever needed it back that i could just "switch it on" again ... if i have to do this by editing some file or pressing some keyboard shortcut or whatever ... doesn't matter : )
• 290[00:49:42] <teraflops> marrenarre: no
• 291[00:50:03] <marrenarre> teraflops: But it works when I do `sudo startx`. I'm just looking for a more automated way.
• 292[00:50:12] <mado> what does the 'd' in that stand for pingfloyd?
• 293[00:50:26] <marrenarre> I could even get used to typing that command every time I log in.
• 294[00:50:28] <mado> and why call it "xorg.conf.d" ?
• 295[00:50:41] <marrenarre> Or just typing my password if I put that in some sh file.
• 296[00:50:51] <teraflops> mado: you can safely create that folder
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• 298[00:51:44] <teraflops> marrenarre: did you tun startx as root but inside the normal user home folder?
• 299[00:51:44] <mado> i'm sure i can, teraflops ... i'm just trying to understand what's behind the name : )
• 300[00:51:52] <marrenarre> teraflops: Yeah.
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• 302[00:51:57] <pingfloyd> marrenarre: that's a convention for when config files can be split up in multiple files
• 303[00:52:03] <teraflops> mado: afaik it's a debian thingy
• 304[00:52:04] <pingfloyd> mado: ^
• 305[00:52:31] <pingfloyd> mado: Xorg looks for files in that directory to parse its configuration settings
• 306[00:52:31] <teraflops> mado it became a convention more or less as pingfloyd says
• 307[00:52:44] <mado> i see i've got a lot to learn : )
• 308[00:52:52] <teraflops> marrenarre: it's your fault then and that's why it does not work
• 309[00:52:52] <pingfloyd> mado: it's more that many programs follow that convention for configuration, but not all do.
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• 311[00:52:59] <teraflops> marrenarre: :S
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• 313[00:53:09] <mado> alright ... folder created pingfloyd
• 314[00:53:19] <marrenarre> ??? But it works when I run it as root in my home directory, but not when not as root in my home directory.
• 315[00:53:37] <pingfloyd> mado: if you want to disable you touchpad put this replaced-url
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• 319[00:53:54] <teraflops> marrenarre: yeah as I said, go ls -la ~/
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• 321[00:53:57] <marrenarre> Are you telling me that iff you're running it as a normal user then the cwd has to be a specific one?
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• 324[00:54:29] <teraflops> marrenarre: go ls -la ~/
• 325[00:54:30] <teraflops> ^
• 326[00:54:37] <pingfloyd> mado: the number at the beginning determines what order files under xorg.conf.d are parsed. They're parse in lexical order iirc.
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• 329[00:55:11] <pingfloyd> mado: synaptics setting can be parse pretty late since you're usually not going to care about input behavior until X is all the way up
• 330[00:55:13] <marrenarre> teraflops: Okay so I'm logged in as root. That's not so good.
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• 332[00:55:31] <marrenarre> I mean I'm "logged in" as root.
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• 334[00:55:40] <teraflops> marrenarre: whoami
• 335[00:56:18] <marrenarre> teraflops: Yeah but does it really count as "logged in"? It's only because I'm running it with sudo.
• 336[00:56:31] <marrenarre> Well anyway, what does it have to do with the problem of it not working as a normal user?
• 337[00:56:40] <teraflops> no youre not root but you did startx as root but in your user folder now theres a bunch of files there belonging to root
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• 339[00:56:59] <teraflops> i cannot explain myself better sorry
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• 341[00:57:19] <teraflops> looks obv to me sorry
• 342[00:57:23] <marrenarre> But ~ is the home directory of root.
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• 344[00:57:32] <marrenarre> I ran the command in xterm i xmonad running as root.
• 345[00:57:36] <marrenarre> Should I run it outside of xmonad?
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• 347[00:57:51] <mado> okay : ) ... and 'X' is the thing that allows me to see stuff like windows on my computer, right? ... do you want me to create this file with "gedit" ?
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• 349[00:58:07] <marrenarre> My normal account's home directory is as normal.
• 350[00:58:12] <teraflops> marrenarre: you said you sis sudo startx as normal user
• 351[00:58:12] <mado> ad pingfloyd
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• 353[00:58:19] <marrenarre> teraflops: Yes.
• 354[00:58:30] <teraflops> now you say youre root
• 355[00:58:33] <pingfloyd> mado: yeah X is what gives you your gui environment in short
• 356[00:58:35] <teraflops> im just confused
• 357[00:58:50] <mado> yay! ... i understood something again :D
• 358[00:59:05] <marrenarre> teraflops: I was using xterm, in xorg server which I'm running with sudo.
• 359[00:59:21] <teraflops> marrenarre: again pastebin the output of ls -la ~/ as normal user
• 360[00:59:36] <teraflops> also pastebin does not mean pastebin.com
• 361[00:59:38] * RoyK wonders if there aren't separate irc channels for debian desktop and server
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• 363[00:59:53] <mado> and do you want me to create this "99-synaptics.conf"-file with gedit?
• 364[00:59:59] <mado> pingfloyd:
• 365[01:00:11] <pingfloyd> mado: X by itself doesn't do much other than facilitating just that. It's the Xserver that you run your xclients in. Things like windows managers, synclient, xclock, and so on are examples of xclients.
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• 367[01:00:31] <pingfloyd> mado: you can use whatever text editor you want, you just have to make sure you edit it with root privs because of the location of that file.
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• 370[01:01:09] <pingfloyd> mado: it's a good idea to also become familiar with at least one CLI text editor for situations when you can't get X up.
• 371[01:01:43] <mado> well ... i'm still in the terminal ... so i thought i just write "gedit" and open it ... that way i altered the sources.list too to add an additional repository or whatever it was called
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• 373[01:02:13] <teraflops> mado: gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/99-synaptics.conf is a bit eww
• 374[01:02:16] <mado> cli text editor? ... as in ... a text editor running in the terminal?
• 375[01:02:24] <teraflops> also you need root permission
• 376[01:02:31] <mado> why's that "eww" teraflops?
• 377[01:02:33] <try> Recently, screenshots stopped working for me in Jessie. gnome-screenshot works from the command line, but the "prtscr"-based shortcuts are no longer working. Can anyone help me troubleshoot?
• 378[01:02:37] <pingfloyd> that's fine, you may have to invoke it with gksu or gksudo to access to the display though (there are other ways, but they're more convoluted).
• 379[01:02:44] <teraflops> mado: big ereplaced-url
• 380[01:02:46] <teraflops> :P
• 381[01:02:48] <mado> why?
• 382[01:03:00] <pingfloyd> mado: security
• 383[01:03:03] <teraflops> youre right why?
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• 385[01:03:14] <teraflops> why I boher?
• 386[01:03:16] <mado> i'm not sure i understand
• 387[01:03:17] <pingfloyd> mado: you don't want anyone to be able to arbitrarily access anyone else's display in X
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• 389[01:03:24] <teraflops> mado: nah sorry
• 390[01:03:29] <pingfloyd> that would present a big security vulnerability
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• 392[01:04:25] <marrenarre> teraflops: replaced-url
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• 395[01:04:42] <mado> i'm still not entirely sure i understand - sorry teraflops and pingfloyd ...
• 396[01:04:49] <teraflops> mado: I apologize, it's late, I head to my bed now
• 397[01:04:59] <mado> areplaced-url
• 398[01:05:10] <mado> but i can understand ... i hope to see you soon again : )
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• 401[01:05:33] <teraflops> marrenarre: well it looks fine to me
• 402[01:05:41] <mado> i wish you "Good night" then before you leave teraflops
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• 404[01:05:54] <mado> pingfloyd: why is it a big security vulnerability?
• 405[01:06:03] <teraflops> mado: nah it's ok tahnks
• 406[01:06:05] <marrenarre> teraflops: So what were you saying about me doing something wrongly running startx as root?
• 407[01:06:20] <pingfloyd> mado: I'm talking about why there is access control about being able to see other displays on the Xserver
• 408[01:06:44] <teraflops> marrenarre: because I asked you and you said yes I run startx as root inside the user¡s home folder
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• 411[01:06:54] <teraflops> user's
• 412[01:06:58] <marrenarre> teraflops: Yeah, that's what I did.
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• 414[01:07:10] <pingfloyd> mado: if you didn't have that facility in place, anyone could snoop on anyone else on the system. Like say see them type out their passwords for things.
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• 418[01:07:53] <teraflops> marrenarre: go create a new user and startx with that user
• 419[01:08:10] <teraflops> no sudo startx or as root just "startx"
• 420[01:08:19] <teraflops> for the sake of our sanity
• 421[01:08:27] <marrenarre> teraflops: Can I not just use my current account?
• 422[01:08:30] <pingfloyd> marrenarre: how come you're invoking startx as root?
• 423[01:08:32] <teraflops> nope!
• 424[01:08:35] <marrenarre> The one wohose home folder I showed you.
• 425[01:08:41] <teraflops> marrenarre: nope
• 426[01:08:42] <marrenarre> Alrighty.
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• 428[01:08:46] <teraflops> fresh user
• 429[01:08:50] <teraflops> new one
• 430[01:08:53] <marrenarre> pingfloyd: Because it won't work without it.
• 431[01:09:12] <mado> okay ... can we please go back one step? ... i think there's just one thing i don't understand ...
• 432[01:09:14] <pingfloyd> marrenarre: X won't start as a regular user?
• 433[01:09:21] <mado> i told you i'm currently "root" in the terminal ...
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• 435[01:09:27] <mado> i see what file you want me to create ...
• 436[01:09:39] <mado> and you asked me to create it ...
• 437[01:09:43] <mado> with root priviledges ...
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• 439[01:10:06] <mado> we agreed i could do that in gedit for instance or some other text editor too ...
• 440[01:10:09] <pingfloyd> marrenarre: that could be an issue with say your ~/.xinitrc or other per-user related files for X
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• 442[01:10:22] <mado> and now there's something about a security risk?
• 443[01:10:31] <mado> what am i missing pingfloyd / teraflops?
• 444[01:10:54] <pingfloyd> mado: I think you misunderstand
• 445[01:11:17] <teraflops> pingfloyd: yeah in ~/ like borked permission because startx as root from there
• 446[01:11:23] <marrenarre> pingfloyd: But it works with sudo startx in my home directory, and then xmonad works which I only configured to start with my ~/.xinitrc, so it works with my .xinitrc when it's given root privileges.
• 447[01:11:24] <mado> yes ... i think so too ... that's why i asked if we could go back one step please : ) ... so to clear this whole confusion up : )
• 448[01:11:44] <marrenarre> I'm pretty sure it has to do with not using the KMS thing due to it being a proprietary driver.
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• 450[01:11:48] <pingfloyd> marrenarre: you shouldn't need to invoke startx with root permissions
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• 452[01:12:23] <marrenarre> teraflops: "failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted)"
• 453[01:12:32] <marrenarre> pingfloyd: But I do. :(
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• 455[01:12:43] <pingfloyd> if it's not successfully bringing up an X session when running startx as regular user, something is borked
• 456[01:12:45] <teraflops> ಠ_ಠ
• 457[01:12:47] <marrenarre> This hasn't been an issue when using nouveau drivers but they don't work with my card unfortunately.
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• 459[01:13:04] <mado> i'll wait while you help marrenarre : )
• 460[01:13:55] <marrenarre> teraflops: Should I give you more extensive output?
• 461[01:14:18] <marrenarre> I'm lazy because the process of copying that text is relatively annoying.
• 462[01:14:43] <marrenarre> You guys are angels by the way.
• 463[01:14:56] <teraflops> marrenarre: that error? where do you get it?
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• 465[01:15:23] <marrenarre> teraflops: When running startx with the new user.
• 466[01:15:33] <mado> we could also talk privately though if you want ... that way we won't interrupt teraflops and you pingfloyd from helping marrenarre :)
• 467[01:15:42] <teraflops> oh I have no clue
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• 469[01:16:24] <marrenarre> teraflops: Actually, although this is the same error message as before IIRC, the second problem would be that the system xinitrc doesn't start xmonad.
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• 471[01:16:37] <marrenarre> So I'll make a ~/.xinitrc for this account as well.
• 472[01:17:07] <teraflops> marrenarre: yeah paste full xorg.log
• 473[01:17:21] <teraflops> no paste full xorg.log
• 474[01:17:33] <marrenarre> Same error now.
• 475[01:17:48] <marrenarre> But I'm pretty sure it has to do with the driver not doing the KMS thing automatically.
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• 477[01:18:02] <marrenarre> Or relatively sure, based on what I've read so far.
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• 481[01:18:27] <teraflops> marrenarre: and please tell me that you installed xorg and nvidia driver correctly
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• 483[01:19:00] <marrenarre> Not really based on your instructions before.
• 484[01:19:06] <marrenarre> I never got around to doing that module thing.
• 485[01:19:14] <teraflops> :S
• 486[01:19:15] <marrenarre> We got into the whole root thing.
• 487[01:19:24] <xreal> A "lib" question: Normally, applications don't get build statically in Debian. When I've used libXY-dev to build an application, do I always need normal libXY to run the application?
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• 489[01:20:04] <teraflops> marrenarre: then I have no idea sorry
• 490[01:20:18] <mado> pingfloyd: ?
• 491[01:20:59] <teraflops> check your nvidia installation went fine that you have the nvidia module loaded and obv is not blacklisted, and provide xorg.log
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• 493[01:21:27] <teraflops> no logs no clue
• 494[01:21:58] <mado> teraflops: and pingfloyd ... i will reboot now ... catch you in a few minutes, hopefully : )
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• 497[01:22:06] <marrenarre> teraflops: "The NVIDIA kernel module has a kernel interface layer that must be compiled specifically for each kernel. NVIDIA distributes the source code to this kernel interface layer." replaced-url
• 498[01:22:08] <teraflops> so much gessing here and it's my fault
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• 500[01:23:04] <marrenarre> Seems I must compile this to be able to run Xorg server without root privileges when using the proprietary driver. I might just try using the installer (which I know is not supported here).
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• 502[01:24:07] <marrenarre> teraflops: In any case you've been verp helpful and I appreciate it a lot.
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• 505[01:24:31] <marrenarre> very*
• 506[01:24:35] <marrenarre> Seems Debian has a friendly community, so far at least. :)
• 507[01:24:37] <teraflops> marrenarre: oh I dont think so but thanks
• 508[01:24:39] <teraflops> :P
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• 510[01:24:58] <teraflops> about the helpful bit
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• 513[01:25:26] <marrenarre> teraflops: Actually I am kind of tired and now that I think about it I just wrote that without thinking and now that you mention it I guess not that much progress was made.
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• 516[01:25:42] <marrenarre> I think in my head I was thinking of the word "friendly" or something.
• 517[01:25:53] <marrenarre> I should probably go to bed soon.
• 518[01:25:54] <mado> and back : )
• 519[01:25:58] <xreal> Anyone with an idea?
• 520[01:25:59] <teraflops> heh
• 521[01:26:30] <mado> unfortunately i have to report that creating the file didn't disable the touchpad, teraflops and pingfloyd
• 522[01:26:35] <pingfloyd> xreal: if you install package-dev is should automatically install package as a dependency
• 523[01:26:53] <xreal> pingfloyd: Yeah, but when I transport the DEB to a new system ;)
• 524[01:26:57] <pingfloyd> xreal: the -dev package contains the needed headers for compilation, while the regular package contains the runtime dependencies
• 525[01:27:01] <xreal> pingfloyd: I know.
• 526[01:27:05] <eliserain> replaced-url
• 527[01:27:19] <xreal> pingfloyd: So the normal lib is always needed?
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• 529[01:27:21] <AciD`> op, please use +r mode on this chan
• 530[01:27:24] <pingfloyd> xreal: you only need the runtime dependencies to run the program in question
• 531[01:27:33] <AciD`> !ops
• 532[01:27:33] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
• 533[01:27:34] <xreal> pingfloyd: Oh ok... hmm
• 534[01:27:41] <pingfloyd> xreal: you only need the *-dev package for compiling
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• 536[01:28:00] <AciD`> dpkg: ops please use +r on this chan for the time being
• 537[01:28:01] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: acid` complains about: please use +r on this chan for the time being
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• 539[01:28:01] <xreal> pingfloyd: Yeah, but I mean. If you need 14 different -dev packages, you need 14 normal libs on the application side on a fresh system?
• 540[01:28:02] <pingfloyd> xreal: so if the target system doesn't need to compile the program, then you don't need to install the -dev packages
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• 542[01:28:13] <xreal> pingfloyd: I know, but I mean the opposite site ;)
• 543[01:28:32] <pingfloyd> xreal: yes, you need the normal libs/packages installed on the target system in order to run the program
• 544[01:28:47] <xreal> pingfloyd: Okay ;)
• 545[01:29:29] <mado> teraflops: ? would you mind if i send you some line/s in a query?
• 546[01:29:40] <mado> any further thoughts pingfloyd or teraflops or anyone else? : )
• 547[01:30:26] <pingfloyd> mado: your DE may be overriding it.
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• 549[01:31:44] <pingfloyd> mado: I don't have gnome installed, but I remember it does have a setting in its dconf database controlling whether the DE sets the touchpad
• 550[01:31:46] <mado> okaaay ... shall i then delete the file and folder? ... or do we have to (forgive me for saying so) teach the DE to respect the file?
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• 552[01:35:47] <mado> i just opened the dconf-editor with root priviledges ... can't make any changes yet though
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• 556[01:36:47] <pingfloyd> mado: you could try launching dconf-editor and then search for "touchpad"
• 557[01:36:51] <unborn> mado why are you asking us to make your decision.. ? :) do what ever you want.. debian chan nor us nor any pro sysadmin - is responsible for your crap.
• 558[01:37:18] <unborn> .. he knows what he is doing..
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• 563[01:38:14] <mado> unborn: ? ... i'm new to all of this stuff here ... be it gnu linux, debian, gnome, etc ... i'm merely trying to learn some things
• 564[01:39:07] <mado> i found the entry pingfloyd ... but i cannot uncheck the checkmark
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• 566[01:40:19] <pingfloyd> mado: could also try this: gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.peripherals.touchpad send-events disable
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• 568[01:40:22] <mado> and since i don't want to ruin anything i'm glad for some guided assistance, unborn
• 569[01:40:36] <unborn> nado well I believe its bollox - if you new you would not ask the question you did.. perhaps I am very wrong - google and debian can learn you so much..
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• 571[01:41:15] <unborn> you glad you found the some guided assistance.. where? not on this chan for sure..
• 572[01:41:17] <mado> well ... some people learn stuff by first having some guided assistance and then they can do stuff on their own
• 573[01:41:22] <unborn> meh
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• 575[01:41:35] <unborn> !ops please mute me
• 576[01:41:35] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: unborn complains about: please mute me
• 577[01:41:48] <mado> see it like math, unborn : ) ... or when you learnt to read
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• 579[01:42:07] <mado> did you know already right from the start what sound every letter makes?
• 580[01:42:28] <mado> or if you're deaf or mute ... could you sign right away?
• 581[01:42:34] <zinx> mado: nah. i had to teach myself.
• 582[01:42:37] <mado> or when blind ... understand braile right away?
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• 584[01:42:44] <unborn> mado: i did know.. from start..
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• 586[01:43:01] <TomTomTo1> just move on, this is the right place for support questions^^
• 587[01:43:08] <unborn> I will keep quiet for some useful resource.. sorry :)
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• 589[01:43:24] <mado> good for you then unborn ... i did not : ) ... know that you're loved : )
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• 591[01:43:41] <TomTomTo1> plese just move on.
• 592[01:43:46] <TomTomTo1> *please
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• 600[01:47:55] <Somelauw> In /etc/defaults/keyboard, I have a line that says XKBOPTIONS=lctrl-altgr,caps:escape, but when I press lctrl-altgr nothing happens.
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• 612[01:52:36] <mado> maybe you need to change your keyboard layout Somelauw?
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• 616[01:53:24] <pingfloyd> Somelauw: Note: XKB options can be overridden by the tools provided by some desktop environments such as GNOME
• 617[01:53:55] <Somelauw> pingfloyd: i don't use a DE
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• 620[01:56:14] <Somelauw> mado: well my whole keyboard file is like this replaced-url
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• 622[01:56:49] <marrenarre> Woooot!! It works!
• 623[01:56:56] <marrenarre> teraflops: I got it working. :D
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• 625[01:57:19] <marrenarre> And to think all I needed to do was install linux-source and linux-headers-amd64 and run the official installer.
• 626[01:57:24] <mado> Congratulations marrenarre? : )
• 627[01:57:44] <marrenarre> And I'm not even sure that I need to install both of those first, but I did just in case. I suppose I'll do some testing to find out specifically, maybe. Maybe...
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• 629[01:58:14] <marrenarre> mado: Thanks!
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• 632[01:58:51] <marrenarre> Everything is great now. I can finally enjoy the efficiency of xmonad, vim, vimperator, and similar good things.
• 633[01:58:51] <unborn> !next
• 634[01:58:52] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
• 635[01:59:27] <marrenarre> I have to leave? :(
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• 638[01:59:42] <unborn> marrenarre: not at all!
• 639[02:00:09] <marrenarre> Oh, neat.
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• 642[02:00:28] <unborn> marrenarre: enjoy of the debian chan as long as you need/want :)
• 643[02:01:31] <marrenarre> Well, it has been an enjoyable experience so far, but at the moment I'm quite out of things to ask. And I haven't yet acquired the skill necessary to be of any help. I'll have to watch and learn.
• 644[02:03:12] <unborn> marrenarre: its all fine.. if you out of the questions, just be here.. :) no one said you had to ask.. or whatever.. we are all humans ...i hope so you understand me :) its cool to having you here.
• 645[02:05:08] <marrenarre> unborn: I understand. :)
• 646[02:05:44] <unborn> marrenarre: just be welcome here.. and feel free :)
• 647[02:06:08] <marrenarre> Okay now I actually have a question: How do I kill xserver if I'm not using a display manager? Everyone mentions light-dm and stuff.
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• 649[02:06:19] <marrenarre> xkill something? What should I use to get to the state I was in before I ran startx?
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• 653[02:07:20] <mado> Somelauw: i'm afraid i cannot really help you as i'm still beginning to learn things but i'm sure this whole problem will be figured out : )
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• 656[02:08:01] <unborn> do we use x server at all?
• 657[02:08:10] <mado> and guys and gals? ... i just found this here -> replaced-url
• 658[02:08:17] <mado> what are your thoughts?
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• 660[02:09:36] <marrenarre> unborn: "we"?
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• 664[02:10:43] <unborn> marrenarre: sorry.. the question was for others.
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• 666[02:11:50] <marrenarre> unborn: No need to apologise. I'm just not sure what you mean. I mean, Xorg Server is very common to use on Linux as far as I'm aware.
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• 668[02:12:18] <unborn> marrenarre: sure.
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• 680[02:17:48] <pingfloyd> marrenarre: you "log out" of you X session
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• 694[02:21:14] <CutMeOwnThroat> mado, what was your problem? there's 200 lines of backlog with lines from you
• 695[02:22:05] <mado> hello CutMeOwnThroat : )
• 696[02:22:15] <mado> i'm currently e.g. trying to disable my touchpad
• 697[02:22:19] <mado> so that i can use my mouse only
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• 700[02:22:45] <mado> that's one of the things on my today's to do list : )
• 701[02:23:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> if that's a laptop, can't you just do that with the Fn key combination that one usually uses?
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• 703[02:23:33] <mado> well ... this laptop doesn't have this feature i'm afraid
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• 706[02:24:22] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, touchpad
• 707[02:24:23] <dpkg> Synaptics is an X.org driver for laptop touchpads/trackpads. Install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options; configuration tools include synclient and gpointing-device-settings. replaced-url
• 708[02:24:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> one pretty permanent way would be to just uninstall that package
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• 715[02:26:32] <mado> hmmm ... that's something that hasn't been suggested yet : )
• 716[02:26:41] <mado> would this disable my mouse as well, CutMeOwnThroat?
• 717[02:26:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> no
• 718[02:27:01] <mado> i saw the wiki-entry before ... and some other websites ...
• 719[02:27:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> also… googling gives a temporary on/off solution in 2 minutes: replaced-url
• 720[02:27:20] <mado> unfortunately though the wiki-entry doesn't work
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• 722[02:27:48] <mado> "while typing" isn't completely disabling it though ... and some things i tried so far didn't work unfortunately
• 723[02:27:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> the bit where you look which one is the synaptics/touchpad with xinput list
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• 725[02:28:12] <CutMeOwnThroat> you might want to read a little bit more than the title
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• 728[02:29:44] <mado> also ... no offense ... the old "if i google this or that i find it quite quickly" ... i noticed this doesn't work for everyone ... have you ever noticed that when you look for something and then use a different device or search from a different network that your results are different?
• 729[02:29:52] <Somelauw> In /etc/defaults/keyboard, I have a line that says XKBOPTIONS=lctrl-altgr,caps:escape, but when I press lctrl-altgr nothing happens. My keyboard file looks like this: replaced-url
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• 731[02:30:03] <mutante> i'm trying to connect android phones to my laptop. unfortunately they all force me to use MTP. None of the described methods work in any way. mtp-detect says "No raw devices found". nothing pops up in gnome at all, jmtpfs says "No mtp devices found", simply nothing, debian wiki even tells me ". stop and seek help elsewhere.", and i do this with 2 separate phones.. more than a little frustrating since in
• 732[02:30:09] <mutante> the past i just had USB mass storage and none of these problems. what is even the purpose of MTP in the first place?
• 733[02:30:12] <CutMeOwnThroat> followed by xinput set-prop XXX "Device Enabled" 0 (where XXX is the device number)
• 734[02:30:18] <pingfloyd> mado: if you want the touchpad disabled while typing, something like "syndaemon -d -t -k -i 1.0" works well.
• 735[02:30:27] <mado> well i want it to be completely disabled : )
• 736[02:30:31] <mado> not just when i type
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• 740[02:30:57] <CutMeOwnThroat> mado, not when you use startpage or duckduckgo… it's all about building up (or not building up) an online filter bubble
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• 747[02:33:00] <p3nt4> NickServ Identify trex22
• 748[02:33:04] <p3nt4> lol
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• 750[02:33:25] <mutante> hunter2
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• 752[02:34:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> p3nt4, good way to pass on your nick to the deserving public
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• 755[02:34:47] <pingfloyd> nobody wants p3nt4 as a nick, but there may be other gems grouped in there
• 756[02:35:03] <mado> so let's see how to do what you told me CutMeOwnThroat ... i'll continue on reading
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• 763[02:37:32] <mado> the first command there "xinput list" doesn't work
• 764[02:37:36] <mado> command cannot be found
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• 766[02:38:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's found for me…
• 767[02:38:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> but if not… install it
• 768[02:38:21] <CutMeOwnThroat> the package is "xinput"
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• 773[02:39:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> you may also want to install apt-file, with that you can find what package (if any) has a specific file you are supposed to have
• 774[02:39:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, apt-file
• 775[02:39:14] <dpkg> apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <judd-file>, <auto-apt>, <dlocate>.
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• 779[02:40:28] <mado> so in other words ... program A requires fileXYZ ... program B does too ... with that i can find out that both programs need fileXYZ ?
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• 781[02:41:48] <TomTomTo1> only ones that are tracked by the packaging system.
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• 786[02:42:57] <siducer881> pfs
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• 794[02:45:22] <mado> replaced-url
• 795[02:45:40] <mado> so according to this page i need to enter this command there to disable my touchpad?
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• 797[02:46:34] <mado> debkad: ! : )
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• 799[02:47:20] <debkad> hello, i installed debian jessie8 and installed 3 .deb files atheros backport + linux-base + kernel 4.6 backport and rebooted, the wifi is working, but i can't update or upgrade
• 800[02:47:25] <debkad> hi mado
• 801[02:47:40] <debkad> i can actually o_o
• 802[02:47:53] <debkad> it was internet issue
• 803[02:47:59] <mado> : )
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• 805[02:48:03] <mado> can happen
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• 807[02:48:10] <debkad> :D
• 808[02:48:32] <debkad> now what i must do to have 100% backport
• 809[02:48:53] <debkad> i added this one to my sources.list deb replaced-url
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• 811[02:49:51] <debkad> i must reinstall hexchat as i installed it from the cache ( debian8 testing )
• 812[02:50:11] <debkad> alloooooo
• 813[02:50:14] <mado> hexchat, hm? ... is this still in development?
• 814[02:50:33] <debkad> yeah i'm on it right now :(
• 815[02:50:59] <mado> no need for the sad face ... it's a nice irc client but what do i know? ... i've only used it a little bit : )
• 816[02:51:11] <mutante> debkad: what's better about it vs. xchat?
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• 819[02:51:56] <mado> maybe because xchat is no longet in development?
• 820[02:52:01] <mado> (just a guess)
• 821[02:52:15] <debkad> mutante, dunno , it was my first client and first time using irc , just founded it from my way , so i just used it o_o
• 822[02:52:32] <mutante> aha, ok
• 823[02:52:34] <mado> i'll be back in a few bits ... need to reboot
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• 827[02:52:59] <debkad> i'm that old man who use what is available anyway
• 828[02:53:14] <mutante> apparently i'm even older because i thought xchat is still a thing p
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• 830[02:53:23] <debkad> hahaha
• 831[02:53:26] <pingfloyd> debkad: what do you meany by 100% backport?
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• 833[02:54:01] <debkad> pingfloyd, i mean be able to install something new as xfce 4.12 ( as an example )
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• 835[02:54:25] <debkad> my sources.list still have two jeessie repos
• 836[02:54:33] <mutante> i just want to backup my phones.. buuuhuu.. nothing works. no MTP, doesnt even detect anything when i plugin USB
• 837[02:54:34] <pingfloyd> debkad: if a package exists in official and backport, you need to use the -t flag with apt-get
• 838[02:54:39] <TomTomTo1> xfce was not backported yet.
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• 840[02:54:56] <debkad> i wonder if that don't cross between the last deb i added
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• 843[02:55:13] <TomTomTo1> and big things like DEs are likely to not get backported.
• 844[02:55:17] <pingfloyd> if a package only exists in backports, then you don't need that flag
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• 846[02:55:35] <mado> alright - back ...
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• 850[02:56:04] <mado> now i need to find a permanent solution for this : )
• 851[02:56:19] <debkad> TomTomTo1, hmm so i'm not in the right path i think
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• 853[02:56:49] <TomTomTo1> there is no easy way of getting xfce 4.12 on jessie.
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• 855[02:57:07] <debkad> even in backport?
• 856[02:57:13] <pitbullhell> Eric Hunt Analyzes the New Holocaust “Denial” Movie
• 857[02:57:17] <pingfloyd> debkad: apt-cache policy xfce4
• 858[02:57:27] <TomTomTo1> debkad: there is no backport and there will likely never be one.
• 859[02:57:33] <pitbullhell> replaced-url
• 860[02:57:40] <TomTomTo1> !ops troll
• 861[02:57:40] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: tomtomto1 complains about: troll
• 862[02:57:41] <debkad> pingfloyd, not yet installed
• 863[02:57:47] <somiaj> debkad: backporting a full desktop is a lot of work.
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• 867[02:57:51] <pingfloyd> debkad: doesn't matter
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• 870[02:57:55] <TomTomTo1> thanks
• 871[02:58:03] <pingfloyd> debkad: notice it's an apt-cache command
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• 873[02:58:49] <debkad> pingfloyd, i guessed that command will show at least a version number
• 874[02:59:01] <pingfloyd> debkad: run it and you'll see exactly what it shows
• 875[02:59:21] <pingfloyd> shows installed and candidates and which versions are in which repos
• 876[02:59:26] <mado> how soon can "i" run -> xinput set-prop <integer> "Device Enabled" 0 <- ?
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• 878[02:59:28] <debkad> all i know is policy and cache
• 879[02:59:30] <pingfloyd> as well as their priority
• 880[02:59:34] <debkad> cache for search
• 881[02:59:36] <somiaj> debkad: it shows all versions installable. Now do it on a package with a backport. apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64
• 882[03:00:12] <mado> i'm asking because i think it'd be great if i didn't have to enter this command every time i turn on my computer and log in
• 883[03:00:29] <debkad> linux-image:
• 884[03:00:30] <debkad> Installed: (none)
• 885[03:00:30] <debkad> Candidate: (none)
• 886[03:00:30] <debkad> Version table:
• 887[03:00:30] *** debkad was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
• 888[03:00:49] <pingfloyd> debkad: that's how you can tell what versions are available and installed with your currently configured sources, as well as where they're archived.
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• 890[03:01:32] <debkad> my bad didn't mean it
• 891[03:01:32] <somiaj> mado: why not just add some info to your xorg.conf for this?
• 892[03:02:07] <mado> i don't know what that means but if that does the trick, sure, why not, somiaj?
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• 894[03:02:57] <somiaj> mado: xorg.conf is the tranditional file that is used to configure your xserver, xorg (the graphical enviroment which is what xinput is modifying)
• 895[03:03:02] <debkad> damn it seem that i can't use stable no more
• 896[03:03:36] <somiaj> mado: modern systems don't need a config file, and try to autodetect everything. This doesn't always work, so you can add the config sections for the devices you need. Though you'll have to look up the syntax for the mouse you are trying to enable
• 897[03:03:45] <somiaj> mado: I mean disable
• 898[03:04:20] <somiaj> mado: as for running that from a script. You will want to run it after you log into xorg as your user. Depending on your desktop you could just include it in some of your auto run programs.
• 899[03:04:27] <somiaj> mado: either method works.
• 900[03:04:34] <mado> : ) ... so we're back to what was originally suggested, i think ... creating some file or something? *wondering*
• 901[03:04:44] <somiaj> mado: I personally set up a binding to a key. But I have to hit ctrl-whatever each time I boot.
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• 903[03:05:13] <mado> hmmm *nodding slightly*
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• 905[03:05:28] <mado> it's nice that you can configure all this in various ways
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• 907[03:06:27] <mado> also ... do i understand correctly ... you're telling me this command i got shown on a website earlier ... i can't use that?
• 908[03:06:49] <somiaj> mado: I missed what you are actually trying to achive and only commenting on can you auto run that command.
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• 910[03:07:53] <mado> well i'm trying to disable my touchpad ... and i'd like it to stay disabled till i enable it again ... i'd like it to be disabled even after a reboot or when i've shut down my computer
• 911[03:08:55] <mado> so in other words ... instead of being enabled automatically i'd like it to be disabled automatically ... and only get enabled when i really need it
• 912[03:09:13] <somiaj> mado: I use a key binding, but I have to disable it each boot. I'm heading out for a bit, but I'll get my script for you.
• 913[03:09:34] <mado> thank you : )
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• 917[03:12:28] <somiaj> mado: replaced-url
• 918[03:12:44] <somiaj> mado: replace MOUSE with the name of the mouse on your system. That script will disable it if it is enabled, and enable it if it is diasbled.
• 919[03:13:00] <somiaj> mado: I mean change line 3 so the MOUSE variable gives the name of the mouse your system uses.
• 920[03:14:29] <mado> replaced-url
• 921[03:14:36] <mado> so in my case it would be
• 922[03:14:43] <mado> SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad
• 923[03:14:57] <mado> ?
• 924[03:15:22] <somiaj> mado: you can type xinput disable "name" to see if it works from a terminal.
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• 930[03:16:12] <mado> yup ... that works ... great : )
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• 932[03:17:03] <mado> i'm not sure yet exactly though how what you post works
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• 934[03:17:20] <mado> posted
• 935[03:17:42] <somiaj> gives you something to digest for a whie, anyuways I am off *poof*
• 936[03:17:51] <debkad> what i'm missing, when i installed grub then i update grub but it didn't detect the other distro
• 937[03:18:18] <mado> a pity but okay ... catch you another time i hope, somiaj
• 938[03:18:22] <mado> and thank you!
• 939[03:18:28] <dvs> debkad, apt-get install os-prober
• 940[03:18:39] <debkad> i did that but it won't
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• 942[03:18:50] <debkad> E: Package 'os-prober' has no installation candidate
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• 944[03:19:04] <dvs> ,v os-prober
• 945[03:19:06] <judd> Package: os-prober on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.58; jessie: 1.65; sid: 1.71; stretch: 1.71
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• 947[03:19:19] <debkad> very odd
• 948[03:19:35] * dvs guesses that security is the only repo set up
• 949[03:20:48] <abrotman> wtf ..
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• 951[03:21:07] <pingfloyd> debkad: sounds like your sources.list is screwed up
• 952[03:21:22] <debkad> pingfloyd, replaced-url
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• 954[03:21:52] <dvs> !prize me
• 955[03:21:53] * dpkg gives dvs a medal.
• 956[03:22:04] <debkad> the two first deb was commented
• 957[03:22:25] <debkad> as i was unable to use internet when installing
• 958[03:22:36] <dvs> debkad, if you have an internet connection, you don't want the cdrom
• 959[03:22:45] <debkad> i just uncomment them and add the backport and update
• 960[03:22:56] <debkad> dvs, it is commented
• 961[03:23:09] <dvs> !tell debkad about jessie sources.list
• 962[03:23:55] <pingfloyd> debkad: also, when you make changes to that file, you must run apt-get update
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• 967[03:24:25] <pingfloyd> same applies to files under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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• 969[03:24:35] <debkad> sure, it was just the system was missing one or two deb
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• 980[03:30:18] <debkad> thanks dvs pingfloyd it was it
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• 982[03:30:33] <dvs> no prob
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• 984[03:30:52] <debkad> no i need to install xfce 4.12 o_o
• 985[03:31:05] * debkad hiding
• 986[03:31:26] <dvs> judd: version xfce
• 987[03:31:28] <judd> No package named 'xfce' was found in amd64.
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• 989[03:31:33] <dvs> judd: version xfce4
• 990[03:31:35] <judd> Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.8.0.3; jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; sid: 4.12.3
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• 992[03:31:47] <debkad> :(
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• 994[03:31:58] <debkad> stretch is testing?
• 995[03:32:06] <dvs> yup
• 996[03:32:11] <debkad> damn
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• 1001[03:37:38] <debkad> dvs, the ppa work like said in this link? replaced-url
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• 1003[03:38:31] <dvs> debkad, oh god I wouldn't do that.
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• 1005[03:39:58] <qman__> that's how you get a !frankendebian
• 1006[03:40:05] <dvs> yup
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• 1008[03:40:46] <debkad> :((
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• 1011[03:41:45] <xreal> What does "build sourcefiles" mean when using dpkg-buildpackage? How can a compiler build source? ;)
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• 1015[03:43:57] <debkad> if i found a good tool for zooming that will make things easier
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• 1025[03:45:56] <cunnilingus> What does parental controls do
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• 1028[03:46:02] <cunnilingus> i think its a virus
• 1029[03:46:12] <cunnilingus> it pops up sometimes when i try to do searches
• 1030[03:46:21] <debkad> o_o
• 1031[03:46:23] <xreal> cunnilingus: I only get popups about viagra ;)
• 1032[03:46:30] <cunnilingus> earlier i type what is cunnilingus
• 1033[03:46:42] <cunnilingus> and it says something about parental controls
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• 1036[03:47:09] <cunnilingus> my computer has some virus and it doesnt want to tell me what cunnilingus means
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• 1038[03:48:04] <mutante> cunnilingus: cunnilingus might get you a virus, true
• 1039[03:48:05] <debkad> format it
• 1040[03:48:27] <cunnilingus> what is cunnilingus
• 1041[03:48:35] <cunnilingus> i still havent been able to look it up
• 1042[03:48:36] <debkad> is a speach
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• 1044[03:49:00] <cunnilingus> huh?
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• 1046[03:49:40] <debkad> i never heard about it
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• 1048[03:51:25] <xreal> Anyone with an idea?
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• 1051[03:52:40] <debkad> about?
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• 1063[03:55:20] <petn-randall> xreal: Have you had a look into the man page yet? It explains what this tool is for.
• 1064[03:55:30] <cunnilingus> i figured it out
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• 1066[03:55:43] <cunnilingus> google search said Blocked
• 1067[03:55:50] <debkad> ok
• 1068[03:55:53] <cunnilingus> but someone sent me a image of the search result
• 1069[03:56:00] <cunnilingus> cunnilingus is oral sex!
• 1070[03:56:04] <cunnilingus> lol lmfao
• 1071[03:56:07] <debkad> good for you
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• 1075[03:56:16] <petn-randall> cunnilingus: Do you have a Debian support question?
• 1076[03:56:23] <abrotman> I'm going with no
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• 1079[03:56:50] <petn-randall> ah
• 1080[03:56:53] <awal1> ops! cunnilingus trolling
• 1081[03:56:59] <debkad> he gone
• 1082[03:57:02] <abrotman> I'm righ there ...
• 1083[03:57:03] <debkad> or she
• 1084[03:57:05] <abrotman> right here also
• 1085[03:57:06] <tom99> here's my debian question
• 1086[03:57:17] <tom99> how do i use the reportbug program to submit a bug report for the debian reference documentation?
• 1087[03:57:29] <abrotman> the website?
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• 1089[03:57:47] <tom99> yes, a couple people in here said something i found in the manual was wrong
• 1090[03:57:53] <xreal> pentiumone133: man says f.e. at -b: "Specifies a binary-only build, no source files are to be built and/or distributed." I still don't have a clue, what this does :)
• 1091[03:57:56] <debkad> ah
• 1092[03:58:00] <abrotman> debian-replaced-url
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• 1095[03:58:04] <debkad> outdated you mean?
• 1096[03:58:19] <tom99> specifically about determining if systemd is installed by running ps --pid 1 -f 1
• 1097[03:58:40] <tom99> It says you can do that and pingfloyd disagreed and suggested I file a bug report. however i don't know how to do that
• 1098[03:58:49] <abrotman> does it work ro not?
• 1099[03:59:02] <debkad> that worked for me
• 1100[03:59:02] <tom99> no, because /sbin/init is a symlink to systemd
• 1101[03:59:12] <tom99> so /sbin/init exists no matter what you have installed
• 1102[03:59:14] <debkad> really?
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• 1104[03:59:31] <tom99> he said he runs jessie and that's what he got
• 1105[03:59:32] <abrotman> tom99: readlink -f /sbin/init ?
• 1106[03:59:49] <debkad> that may be when you upgrade or cross using repos
• 1107[04:00:04] <xreal> I can't see a difference between building source files or not.
• 1108[04:00:21] <CutMeOwnThroat> but that ps command shows […] /lib/systemd/systemd[…] on my system
• 1109[04:00:26] <tom99> abrotman: no saying ls -l /sbin/init
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• 1112[04:00:59] <tom99> CutMeOwnThroat, I'm not using jessie so I can't verify it which is the other reason I didn't file a bug.
• 1113[04:01:10] <debkad> xreal, building, mean extract ==> compile ==> install ( but better to read its README/INSTALL things )
• 1114[04:01:14] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, I am.
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• 1116[04:01:29] <tom99> what does ls -l /sbin/init show on your system?
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• 1120[04:01:43] <xreal> debkad: My question is, what "build source only" means f.e.
• 1121[04:01:43] <abrotman> tom99: readlink -f
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• 1125[04:01:54] <xreal> debkad: "Specifies a source-only build, no binary packages need to be made."
• 1126[04:02:00] <debkad> ah it show lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 sept. 24 2016 /sbin/init -> /lib/systemd/systemd
• 1127[04:02:05] <xreal> debkad: what does "source-only" mean?
• 1128[04:02:06] <debkad> hmm he was right
• 1129[04:02:19] <awal1> tom99, you are just confused
• 1130[04:02:22] <tom99> abrotman: it only matters that it's a symlink, cause it points right to another file allegedly
• 1131[04:02:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> and I actually have one jessie that comes from an upgrade and one that is a fresh install… and for both ps --pid 1 -f 1 show /lib/systemd/systemd in the resulting line
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• 1133[04:02:31] <somiaj> xreal: debian provides both binary packages and source packages (which is the upstream source + debian patches)
• 1134[04:02:40] <debkad> xreal, i think that mean the source without any binary
• 1135[04:02:52] <debkad> don't take it for sure
• 1136[04:02:56] <xreal> somiaj: But I've downloaded the source packages. Will it be rebuilt ?
• 1137[04:03:02] <tom99> CutMeOwnThroat, hmm maybe pingfloyd and the other guy were the ones that were confused then.
• 1138[04:03:20] <debkad> xreal, of course
• 1139[04:03:22] <CutMeOwnThroat> and yes /sbin/init is a symlink to systemd
• 1140[04:03:28] <somiaj> xreal: yes. This is also for use if you say modify the source by adding your own patches and then you can create a new source package from the current source.
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• 1142[04:03:42] <xreal> debkad & somiaj: okay, then I don't need that ;)
• 1143[04:03:53] <debkad> o_o
• 1144[04:04:07] <petn-randall> xreal: If you ask for it, yes. You could also have retrieved the source via git, so then building source packages might make more sense.
• 1145[04:04:22] <tom99> CutMeOwnThroat, guess it's not a real bug then... probably.
• 1146[04:04:29] <xreal> petn-randall: aaaaaah! that really makes more sense ;)
• 1147[04:04:35] <xreal> petn-randall: +2 thx
• 1148[04:04:36] <tom99> For what it's worth i'm on wheezy and when I type that ps command I get init
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• 1151[04:05:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> but init is what you have, so that's ok, too
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• 1153[04:05:19] <tom99> correct
• 1154[04:05:41] <CutMeOwnThroat> *shrug*
• 1155[04:05:44] <tom99> Weirdly enough though i tried typing apt-get install systemd and it said it would do it without uninstalling anything related to sysvinit
• 1156[04:05:52] <tom99> So idk if that means you can switch between them or what
• 1157[04:06:09] <TomTomTo1> can you link the docs, please? ^^
• 1158[04:06:18] <CutMeOwnThroat> wheezy wasn't really ready for use with systemd
• 1159[04:06:28] <tom99> replaced-url
• 1160[04:06:44] <tom99> CutMeOwnThroat: makes me wonder what's going to happen if I did finish that install
• 1161[04:07:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> I think installing the package on wheezy would install the software, but then you'd have to convert all init scripts manually and then do the switch manually
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• 1163[04:08:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> but I never tried to install it on wheezy
• 1164[04:08:03] <debkad> tom99, what systemd do when there are some init things, it try to convert them to its way ( making units " service files" ) that was what i seen when i try to install something have init file
• 1165[04:08:07] <tom99> hmm, i don't see the value in doing that but if you think there's something to be gained i might do it
• 1166[04:08:24] <tom99> debkad: ah ok
• 1167[04:08:34] <TomTomTo1> but it says init command. so /sbin/init might be correct even if you have systemd.
• 1168[04:09:24] <TomTomTo1> that was in reference to the earlier line of passing a custom init path.
• 1169[04:09:30] <simonlnu> root 1 0.0 0.3 9792 3248 ? Ss Sep13 2:29 /lib/systemd/systemd --system --deserialize 20
• 1170[04:09:41] <simonlnu> debian/sid
• 1171[04:09:41] <TomTomTo1> on my jessie system it says /sbin/init also.
• 1172[04:09:56] <CutMeOwnThroat> what says /sbin/init
• 1173[04:10:02] <TomTomTo1> ps --pid 1 -f
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• 1175[04:10:17] <CutMeOwnThroat> hm, interesting
• 1176[04:10:31] <debkad> simonlnu, sid mean unstable?
• 1177[04:10:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> root 1 0 0 Sep15 ? Ss 1:27 /lib/systemd/systemd --system --deserialize 16
• 1178[04:10:41] <CutMeOwnThroat> same
• 1179[04:10:50] <simonlnu> debkad: yes
• 1180[04:10:57] <CutMeOwnThroat> TomTomTo1, what does yours say exactly?
• 1181[04:10:59] <debkad> thanks
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• 1183[04:12:09] <TomTomTo1> CutMeOwnThroat: replaced-url
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• 1185[04:12:49] <CutMeOwnThroat> I think you could have pasted the one interesting line from that here :)
• 1186[04:13:05] <CutMeOwnThroat> hmm
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• 1189[04:14:09] <jnewt> how tricky is it going to be installing debian on a uefi computer now that it already has windows from a bootloader point of view?
• 1190[04:14:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, the program name *should* show the name of the symlink if it's started via the symlink
• 1191[04:14:46] <TomTomTo1> that's the default init ran, regardless of which one you use. the docs are not wrong. this bit came after the instructions on how to pass a custom init path as a kernel parameter.
• 1192[04:14:50] <simonlnu> easy enough, just make sure you don't wipe your ESP and have windows as first system partition
• 1193[04:15:08] <CutMeOwnThroat> so I guess it's started via /sbin/init on your system but not on ours
• 1194[04:15:28] <TomTomTo1> the docs didn't say that's how you find out which init runs on your system.
• 1195[04:15:46] <simonlnu> usually i have ESP, "windows system partition", windows, swap, linux as partitions (if dual-booting)
• 1196[04:16:10] <simonlnu> and use grub-efi (grub-uefi ?)
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• 1198[04:16:30] <CutMeOwnThroat> TomTomTo1, and you are using systemd on it?
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• 1200[04:16:39] <TomTomTo1> yes, all default jessie.
• 1201[04:16:46] <simonlnu> install os-prober and you don't even have to make a custom grub entry.
• 1202[04:16:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> strange, as I would have said the same for mine
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• 1204[04:17:00] <simonlnu> jnewt: ^^^^
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• 1206[04:17:34] <simonlnu> my now-fried laittude had that setup
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• 1208[04:17:37] <CutMeOwnThroat> simonlnu, is your system on an encrypted disk?
• 1209[04:17:39] <simonlnu> latit*
• 1210[04:17:57] <simonlnu> nope
• 1211[04:18:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> damn
• 1212[04:18:12] <simonlnu> i'm stuck on a compaq mini right now
• 1213[04:18:26] <simonlnu> i doubt it would have the horsepower :P
• 1214[04:18:40] <CutMeOwnThroat> then I've no idea why systemd should be called as "init" in TomTomTo1's case but not in ours
• 1215[04:19:08] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, but you haven't got jessie
• 1216[04:19:11] <TomTomTo1> no idea why it differs, just that the docs are not wrong^^
• 1217[04:19:14] * debkad is still searching for a zoom tool
• 1218[04:19:20] <awal1> tom99, I told you that running ps --pid 1 -f you find out the default file path for the init program //sbin/init, under debian) and so that file path points to systemd. nothing wrong in the debian reference doc
• 1219[04:19:21] <abrotman> mazda
• 1220[04:19:27] <simonlnu> there's a symlink; maybe it uses some sort of setproctitle() or follows the realpath
• 1221[04:19:28] <debkad> o_o
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• 1223[04:19:54] <abrotman> zoom zoom
• 1224[04:20:01] <awal1> debcad, I think there is xzoom
• 1225[04:20:01] <debkad> mitsibushi
• 1226[04:20:04] <simonlnu> abrotman: that's a zoom-zoom tool :P
• 1227[04:20:15] <abrotman> no, mazda
• 1228[04:20:16] <awal1> i used it , it work relatively fine
• 1229[04:20:23] <awal1> debkad
• 1230[04:20:26] <CutMeOwnThroat> awal1, well… wrong or useless… but it's 1 line in a long docu
• 1231[04:20:27] <abrotman> debkad: zoom where? for poor vision?
• 1232[04:20:35] <debkad> awal1, yeah that i tested but it very ugly when i zoom and less controlled :/
• 1233[04:20:48] <debkad> abrotman, like the one in xfce
• 1234[04:21:03] <abrotman> vague .. where? to zoom? poor vision? what is your DE now?
• 1235[04:21:05] <awal1> debkad, thats the only pkg i have found after a long search
• 1236[04:21:15] <debkad> :((
• 1237[04:21:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> awal1, and I think somone tested it out on one system when writing that… only results of the ps seem to differ
• 1238[04:21:35] <awal1> if you are looking for something like windows lents or I dont know how it's called, so saly it's inexistend
• 1239[04:21:45] <awal1> apart the kde one
• 1240[04:21:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> TomTomTo1, runlevel N 5?
• 1241[04:22:01] * abrotman waits for debkad to ansewr
• 1242[04:22:06] <simonlnu> CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, the fd number varies. dunno what that depends on.
• 1243[04:22:08] <debkad> abrotman, i'm currently in lxde ( i went to switch to xfce ) but as xfce 4.12 is not here i can't use it :(
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• 1246[04:22:53] <TomTomTo1> CutMeOwnThroat: yup
• 1247[04:23:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> simonlnu, I meant that for some it's showing /sbin/init, the name of the symlink (as it should if pid 1 is started via that symlink)
• 1248[04:23:28] <simonlnu> CutMeOwnThroat: you on sid too?
• 1249[04:23:34] <abrotman> debkad: xzoom is not helpful ? what have you tried, what doesn't work ?
• 1250[04:23:36] <debkad> awal1, i tried virtual zoom too , it was for text only
• 1251[04:23:47] <simonlnu> maybe it depends on how it's started
• 1252[04:24:16] <debkad> abrotman, i tried xzoom and vmg and another one, but didn't find one like in xfce zoom built in
• 1253[04:24:36] <awal1> CutMeOwnThroat, I dont really know heavily the technical side of what we are talking about. I just told to that guy time ago that via ps --pid 1 -f the stat /sbin/init one can find out the default init system. details/technical side no much clue :P
• 1254[04:24:51] <awal1> then stat ... ^
• 1255[04:24:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> simonlnu, no, I'm on jessie and TomTomTo1 is on jessie and I get a line with systemd like you, he gets bin/init
• 1256[04:25:11] <simonlnu> init doesn't even appear in my ps auxw output (that has PID 1)
• 1257[04:25:22] <abrotman> I think there's one built into gnome, which likely doesn't help you
• 1258[04:25:33] <simonlnu> orca, on gnome
• 1259[04:25:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> TomTomTo1, /etc/grub.d/10_linux doesn't list /sbin/init as SUPPORTED_INITS
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• 1261[04:26:14] <simonlnu> SUPPORTED_INITS="sysvinit:/lib/sysvinit/init systemd:/lib/systemd/systemd upstart:/sbin/upstart"
• 1262[04:26:18] <simonlnu> in mine
• 1263[04:26:35] <CutMeOwnThroat> yes… and mine
• 1264[04:26:51] <TomTomTo1> same
• 1265[04:26:56] <CutMeOwnThroat> and as there is no /lib/sysvinit, we see what we see?
• 1266[04:27:01] <simonlnu> maybe "/sbin/init" is being deprecated?
• 1267[04:27:13] <simonlnu> *shrug*
• 1268[04:27:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> TomTomTo1, but then it's not being started by grub via that script, but in some other way
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• 1271[04:28:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> except if the first "svinit" has some special meaning and isn't a path
• 1272[04:28:06] <debkad> abrotman, this is the vmg i tried before replaced-url
• 1273[04:28:41] <simonlnu> it names them, then it's the path to the init-er
• 1274[04:28:59] <abrotman> debkad: what's wrong with the ones you tried?
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• 1277[04:29:37] <debkad> abrotman, vmg is for text only, xzoom is ugly when i zoom
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• 1284[04:32:25] <awal1> replaced-url
• 1285[04:32:39] <awal1> ^up-to-date sid system
• 1286[04:32:39] <debkad> i remember when i read about xfce zoom built-in they said it is a part from compiz or something like that, it is a part from xfwm
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• 1288[04:32:46] <dragon_> hello
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• 1290[04:32:53] <debkad> don't know what a secret in that xfwm
• 1291[04:33:05] <debkad> hi dragon_
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• 1293[04:33:20] <abrotman> debkad: you might have to use a more "advanced' DE, like gnome
• 1294[04:33:25] <simonlnu> it auto-zooms for me when i press left-alt (xfwm4)
• 1295[04:33:53] <debkad> abrotman, that the big problem i have, my pc is old 1G ram with P4
• 1296[04:33:55] <tom99> awal1: Technically the documentation is correct, since ps --pid 1 -f does show the actual init command.
• 1297[04:33:56] <simonlnu> confused the heck outta me when i saw it the first time :P
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• 1299[04:34:21] <tom99> However would you agree a user might be forgiven for running that command, seeing "/sbin/init" as the output, and concluding that systemd was not being used?
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• 1301[04:34:57] <abrotman> debkad: that's great .. if you don't want to use Firevox
• 1302[04:35:31] <awal1> tom99, just comparing what stat /proc/1/exe shhows ?
• 1303[04:35:40] <awal1> ^as super user
• 1304[04:35:58] <debkad> abrotman, just a zoom part was interesting me, that why i used xfce before
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• 1306[04:36:27] <tom99> I don't understand.
• 1307[04:37:23] <awal1> just wanted to know which output you get with that command using sysvinit
• 1308[04:37:48] <tom99> When I run ps --pid 1 -f I get init
• 1309[04:37:56] <debkad> abrotman, the final goal is using my remote control ( worked in xfce as i said ) whith just my remote control when i'm away from my pc i can control it ( like watching tv, listening, zooming some part, opening a video player ...etc ) stuff like that
• 1310[04:38:01] <awal1> stat /proc/1/exe
• 1311[04:38:10] <awal1> tom99, ^
• 1312[04:38:23] * abrotman wonders why not use XFCE now
• 1313[04:38:29] <debkad> hmm exe
• 1314[04:38:45] <debkad> abrotman, because it is 4.10
• 1315[04:38:54] <tom99> awal1: it says /proc/1/exe points to /sbin/init
• 1316[04:38:57] <debkad> 4.12 have the zoom built-in
• 1317[04:39:21] <awal1> tom99, thats all?
• 1318[04:39:30] <debkad> and it is impossible as they said here
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• 1320[04:40:06] <tom99> awal1: no. there is some more text about numbers and Inodes
• 1321[04:40:12] <tom99> what does it mean?
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• 1323[04:43:25] <mado> catch you all in a few ... have to reboot and try something else :)
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• 1326[04:44:31] <awal1> tom99, sorry but I'm not a debian GNU/Linux teacher / I dont have a PHD in debian system :P :D
• 1327[04:45:21] <tom99> awal1: fair enough. i am just trying to learn more myself as well
• 1328[04:45:36] <awal1> you're doing good
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• 1330[04:46:31] <debkad> ok
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• 1338[04:50:45] <awal1> debkad, as i told you kde DE comes with a tool for zooming just like the microsoft windows one
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• 1340[04:51:11] <awal1> if you really need a zooming tool use kde
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• 1343[04:51:32] <debkad> awal1, i just need a simple tool, i can't use kde or gnome as i'm limited
• 1344[04:51:42] <awal1> so xzoom
• 1345[04:51:48] <debkad> ugly
• 1346[04:51:50] <awal1> there is no more tools
• 1347[04:52:07] <debkad> there is but xfce 4.12 can't be installed
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• 1350[04:54:01] <awal1> xfce 4.12 zoos yeah, but not in xfce session right now; can't check how it does that exactly (if a plugin or an xfwm4 built in feature
• 1351[04:54:07] <awal1> zoos ^
• 1352[04:54:15] <awal1> zooms^
• 1353[04:54:36] <debkad> that right
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• 1355[04:54:50] <debkad> it is xfwm4 with a part from compiz
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• 1358[04:55:30] <awal1> thers is another tool I used under wheezy and does the job better then xzoom but I forgot the name and i dont find it using aptcache/aptitude search
• 1359[04:55:49] <debkad> ah
• 1360[04:55:57] <debkad> kmag may be?
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• 1369[04:57:37] <debkad> no it wasn't it, it is a tool from kde
• 1370[04:58:15] <awal1> usually kfoo is a kde pkg
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• 1372[04:59:07] <debkad> weird i can't find it
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• 1380[05:02:52] <awal1> debkad, I was confused xmag vs xzoom. it's xzoom
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• 1384[05:03:28] <debkad> o_o
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• 1388[05:05:38] <awal1> well, since there is only xzoom, the kde one and a built in feature under gnome & xfce, you may consider buying a magnifying glass, debkad :P :D
• 1389[05:05:57] <debkad> lol
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• 1400[05:12:06] <mado> hello again everyone :)
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• 1404[05:13:30] <debkad> welcome back mado
• 1405[05:13:52] <mado> thank you, debkad
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• 1408[05:14:37] <mado> so far i've managed to install a few things and configure some things ... step by step i'm getting somewhere : )
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• 1414[05:17:12] <mado> earlier i've also learnt that i can download the text from a website and view it offline via "wget <url>" : )
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• 1417[05:18:24] <mado> i'm now trying to find out if i can automate such a process so that i can read an entire book :)
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• 1422[05:20:17] <mado> example -> ... instead of using the command a couple of times on -> replaced-url
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• 1424[05:21:28] <vyadhaka2> I need to install latest kernel to test a fix for a bug, I think the latest stable one is 4.7.4, what is the process, do I just download and install the .deb files?
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• 1426[05:23:33] <TomTomTo1> vyadhaka2: there is no debian package for 4.7.4, for kernels from kernel.org have a look at this: replaced-url
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• 1430[05:24:30] <TomTomTo1> vyadhaka2: jessie-backports has 4.6, though.
• 1431[05:25:45] <vyadhaka2> TomTomTo1: no Need 4.7+, its a resume from suspend bug (hardlocking the sys), apparently it's fixed in 4.7+, so no precompiled .deb packages??
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• 1433[05:26:23] <TomTomTo1> nope
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• 1436[05:27:40] <missmbob> vyadhaka2: i made some for jessie if you want. replaced-url
• 1437[05:27:55] <erm3nda> QUESTION: Hi can authenticate to mount devices. The auth step blinks and throws error, but i can't operate on that window
• 1438[05:28:06] <erm3nda> err, i can't authenticate
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• 1440[05:29:45] <mado> you know what guys? ... i think i'll better rest some : )
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• 1444[05:30:14] <mado> see you all later i hope :)
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• 1518[05:36:47] <erm3nda> i've uploaded two screenshots here: replaced-url
• 1519[05:36:47] <erm3nda> the first popup blinks so fast for a second and then the other appears on top. i don't know whats wrong, that never happens before
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• 2893[05:48:12] <vyadhaka0> I dont see dbg package, only firmware, headers, image, and libc files?
• 2894[05:48:12] <vyadhaka0> so install all 4?
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• 3676[06:09:44] <vyadhaka1> missmbob: those compiled deb files did not work? just boots to a blank screen? what is the command to uninstall that kernel?
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• 3684[06:10:34] <aggi> apt-get purge?
• 3685[06:11:08] <vyadhaka1> aggi: what file name should I give?
• 3686[06:11:41] <aggi> see dpkg -l | grep linux-image
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• 3689[06:12:35] <vyadhaka1> will it also uninstall the header files?
• 3690[06:12:45] <aggi> do not remove all kernels and see that the boot loader still has a valid config to boot one
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• 3692[06:13:06] <aggi> no, probably not
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• 3694[06:13:22] <vyadhaka1> aggi: yep only trying to unintall 4.7.4
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• 3702[06:15:17] <aggi> interesting, this kernel does not show up yet with debian testing
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• 3704[06:15:52] <vyadhaka1> no installed it from precompiled by missmbob
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• 3820[06:20:25] <vyadhaka1> looks like resuming from suspend from RAM seems to have become very buggy, used to work flawlessly, apparently there is a bug in the kernel,
• 3821[06:20:25] <vyadhaka1> when will 4.7.4 be available in backports?
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• 4358[06:28:45] <georgeilots_> Hello, I have a Sony Vaio vpcz1 22gx laptop. I've tried to install Kali Linux on it, with no luck because when it trys to detect the hard drive,
• 4359[06:28:45] <georgeilots_> the installer doesnt. Asks me if I want to install to iSCSI ip address? Now I'm looking at this laptop on windows 7 and there is a Intel ich8m-
• 4360[06:28:45] <georgeilots_> e/5 series sata raid controller, in Intel Rapid Storage Technology app, with Volume 0, Type: RAID 122GB Array_0000. and below it are two 61GB
• 4361[06:28:45] <georgeilots_> drive(s). One is Array disk Port: 0 Toshiba THNS064GG2BNAA, and Array disk Port: 2 same Toshiba drive. My question is there a way to add the
• 4362[06:28:48] <georgeilots_> drivers of this to a USB stick and then run shell terminal through the Kali Linux installer, and mount the usb drive and use it for the driver
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• 4364[06:28:50] <georgeilots_> for the Intel ich8m-e/5 series sata raid controller? I've tried googling all those but im not really getting anything I can use or download? Or
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• 4366[06:28:53] <georgeilots_> instructions on how to do it. May someone please help me out or point me in the right direction.
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• 4399[06:37:19] <tom99> why does it matter if you are installing from a disk or a usb stick?
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• 4420[06:42:13] <iamawesome> Hi, I've installed debian and necessary packages i needed. It didn't exceed 8GB, is there any problem with that?
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• 4423[06:42:36] <iamawesome> I think, 10GB is enough to install what you need. Am i right?
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• 4426[06:42:53] <otirc> iamawesome: yeah, that should be fine
• 4427[06:43:08] <SQL> I run most of my VM's with 4GB. 10 is normally plenty.
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• 4432[06:44:32] <otirc> my fresh install of jessie was around 8-9GB
• 4433[06:44:55] <iamawesome> otirc: Fresh install 9GB? How?
• 4434[06:44:59] <SQL> I suppose to be fair, I'm not installing X / etc.
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• 4436[06:45:13] <iamawesome> otirc: Did you install everything of gnome? Full gnome?
• 4437[06:45:40] <otirc> iamawesome: yeah the full gnome suite, plus I use mate over x2go
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• 4445[06:49:33] <pingfloyd> worrying about partition sizes. How quaint.
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• 4449[06:50:19] <otirc> pingfloyd: lvm or physical?
• 4450[06:50:46] <pingfloyd> you don't have to worry about it with lvm
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• 4452[06:51:05] <otirc> that was why I was asking
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• 4454[06:51:26] <pingfloyd> you're asking whether you should use it?
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• 4460[06:52:18] <otirc> sorry,wrong end of the stick. I though you were playing with partitions
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• 4476[07:00:41] <ChristineP> replaced-url
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• 4479[07:01:02] <ChristineP> America will be sending $38,000,000,000 dollars over the next 10 years to their masters in Tel Aviv — making this the biggest Military aid package in US history.
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• 4481[07:01:28] <ChristineP> People have blind support for Israel because they are completely brainwashed by the mainstream media propaganda. Most Americans have no idea how their hard earned tax dollars are going.
• 4482[07:01:35] <iamawesome> I've installed only gnome-core, is it enough?
• 4483[07:01:54] <ChristineP> . When you speak with someone who doesn’t know about the happenings on the group, bring up the Illegal settlements outside their borders, stealing Palestinian land, and the torture/killing of Palestinian children.
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• 4485[07:02:50] <iamawesome> ChristineP: It's wrong channel. It's #debian , join ##chat
• 4486[07:02:53] <peterrooney> !ops ^
• 4487[07:02:53] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: peterrooney complains about: ^
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• 4489[07:02:59] <otirc> ChristineP: is anyof that money going on kernel development?
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• 4493[07:04:07] <otirc> iamawesome: yeah core is fine, just add what you need once you've logged in
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• 4497[07:06:25] <iamawesome> What's the difference between Firefox ESR of debian and the one I downloaded from firefox official website?
• 4498[07:06:32] <iamawesome> Which should i use?
• 4499[07:06:46] <iamawesome> I've downloaded this: firefox-48.0.2.tar.bz2
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• 4501[07:08:01] <TomTomTosch> one gets security updates through the package manager and the other does not.
• 4502[07:08:06] <otirc> iamawesome: ESR is the version for communities, companies and etc
• 4503[07:08:26] <otirc> iamawesome: always better to stick with the repo version
• 4504[07:08:36] <pingfloyd> iamawesome: there's not much point in downloading from mozilla if you're going to use ESR, in this case.
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• 4508[07:09:09] <pingfloyd> if you want to keep up with the latest version of firefox, it would be a different story
• 4509[07:09:11] <iamawesome> I think, firefox has been installed automatically with debian.
• 4510[07:09:25] <iamawesome> *Firefox esr*
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• 4512[07:09:38] <pingfloyd> at least the package will be maintained by debian for you
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• 4514[07:09:56] <johnwhat> it's not called iceweasel any more?
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• 4516[07:10:05] <TomTomTosch> nope
• 4517[07:10:07] <han-solo> !firefox
• 4518[07:10:07] <dpkg> From 2006 to 2016, Mozilla Firefox was known as "Iceweasel" in Debian because Mozilla would not permit Debian to use the Firefox name. Firefox packages are now available for both jessie and sid; Firefox in Debian <stable> follows the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. For the latest versions, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>.
• 4519[07:11:05] <iamawesome> johnwhat: Applications menu>Internet>Icewease->Firefox ESR
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• 4522[07:11:24] <johnwhat> iamawesome: what's ESR?
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• 4525[07:11:37] <iamawesome> johnwhat: Extended support release
• 4526[07:11:37] <pingfloyd> nice! I didn't know about mozilla.debian.net before
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• 4653[08:04:14] <ecom> I've just installed Debian Jessie (8.6) and I am unable to get wireless working properly. My ethernet connection is fine. For some reason I can only load google and do google searches, but I can't access any other site, anyone know why?
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• 4659[08:09:56] <otirc> ecom: have you set your resolv.conf for your nameserver?
• 4660[08:10:19] <somiaj> ecom: you most likely need to install the nonfree firmware
• 4661[08:10:41] <ecom> otirc: yup, /etc/resolv.conf and I also have the iwlwifi driver fully installed
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• 4663[08:11:04] <somiaj> ecom: in that case you will need firmware-iwlwifi from debian non-free
• 4664[08:11:11] <ecom> somiaj: yes I already have that
• 4665[08:11:14] <otirc> you able to ping local network?
• 4666[08:11:28] <otirc> using wireless int?
• 4667[08:11:31] <ecom> otirc: No I cannot ping any sites for some reason, but I can access google for whatever reason
• 4668[08:11:37] <somiaj> ecom: what wifi card do you have?
• 4669[08:11:48] <ecom> somiaj: Intel Wireless-N 1000 Centrino
• 4670[08:11:50] <otirc> local, before you pass your router
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• 4672[08:11:57] <somiaj> ecom: check dmesg make sure the firmware has loaded correctly, 'dmesg | grep firmware'
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• 4674[08:12:41] <otirc> the private ip addrs of your router?
• 4675[08:12:41] <ecom> somiaj: iwlwifi shows up in that output and so does iwldvm
• 4676[08:13:12] <somiaj> then follow otirc suggestions about checking network settings. Seems you got the firmware loaded and seems your card is supported by jessie. replaced-url
• 4677[08:13:14] <ecom> otirc: I can ping my local network
• 4678[08:13:38] <otirc> so wireless driver is correct
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• 4680[08:14:17] <otirc> can you get to the internet with ethernet?
• 4681[08:14:50] <ecom> otirc: yes, that's actually how I'm talking to you right now. If I disconnect ethernet I will loose my connection. Ethernet is fully functional.
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• 4685[08:15:59] <otirc> have you just tried bringing the interface down then back up
• 4686[08:16:36] <otirc> you did test ping, with the wireless int, not the wired int?
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• 4688[08:17:14] <surfist> does ifconfig show an ip address for the wireless interface?
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• 4691[08:19:11] <ecom> surfist: I don't see anything related to an IP address from 'ifconfig' under 'wlan0'
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• 4694[08:19:52] <surfist> looks like it's not connected to anything then
• 4695[08:20:07] <otirc> ecom: have you connected to the AP
• 4696[08:20:11] <ecom> surfist: wait, are you talking about the inet addr stuff?
• 4697[08:20:18] <surfist> yep
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• 4699[08:20:34] <surfist> should be something like 192.168.x.x
• 4700[08:20:37] <ecom> surfist: I take back what I said earlier, there is an address and it's my public address
• 4701[08:20:49] <ecom> public ip address*
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• 4704[08:21:31] <otirc> ecom: same subnet?
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• 4709[08:23:12] <ecom> otirc: Is that the mask part of the output under 'ifconfig'?
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• 4712[08:23:51] <otirc> yeah, something like 255.255.255.0
• 4713[08:24:06] <ecom> otirc: it's exactly that for both wlan0 and eth0
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• 4717[08:24:13] <surfist> the mask will be Bcast:
• 4718[08:24:20] <surfist> wait
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• 4720[08:24:29] <surfist> Mask:
• 4721[08:24:50] <surfist> inet addr: should be your ip
• 4722[08:25:17] <otirc> did you take the int down and bring it back up?
• 4723[08:25:26] <surfist> ecom are you connecting to a modem? or a router
• 4724[08:26:26] <ecom> surfist: It's a two in one thing, so both?
• 4725[08:26:46] <surfist> probably the router part
• 4726[08:26:58] <surfist> but showing an outside ip is strange
• 4727[08:27:32] <surfist> the 'route' command should show some wlan0 info also
• 4728[08:27:46] <surfist> esp what default is
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• 4730[08:27:56] <surfist> arp should spit out some fun too
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• 4732[08:28:39] <surfist> ecom how is your wlan0 connecting? some gui?
• 4733[08:28:56] <ecom> surfist: I used nmcli device wifi connect mySSID password XXXXXX
• 4734[08:29:24] <surfist> have you tried dhclient wlan0 ?
• 4735[08:29:55] <ecom> surfist: yes, it says 'RTNETLINK answers: File exists
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• 4741[08:32:04] <ecom> I'm going to try something, I will go offline, brb
• 4742[08:32:05] <surfist> maybe it's stuck
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• 4953[09:48:17] <l3dx> I just installed debian on a computer without internet connection. Now that it has, I want to reconfigure the apt sources. How can I run the setup dialog so that I can select a mirror? Like during installation
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• 4955[09:48:48] <l3dx> I was hoping not having to modify the sources.list myself
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• 4961[09:51:47] <ani05995> go here replaced-url
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• 4965[09:52:36] <ani05995> generate new list with you mirror and add in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ you new list
• 4966[09:52:45] <ani05995> or edit exist one
• 4967[09:53:11] <l3dx> so no way to re-run the configuration?
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• 4970[09:53:56] <ani05995> i think installer generate source list, i don't now way to re run it
• 4971[09:54:12] <ani05995> l3dx: be strong and edit config
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• 4976[09:55:39] <pantato> anyone here ever mess with debiandog?
• 4977[09:55:47] <ani05995> l3dx: replaced-url
• 4978[09:56:08] <ani05995> use this generator, its for debian, i mistake before
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• 5013[10:10:46] <pantato> debiandog64 is amazing
• 5014[10:10:59] <pantato> i can't see a need for using anything other than that
• 5015[10:11:00] <jelly> ani05995: that generator sometimes makes mistakes
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• 5021[10:11:52] <ani05995> jelly: i now, you now another?
• 5022[10:12:01] <jelly> !jessie sources.list
• 5023[10:12:01] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 5025[10:12:07] <jelly> ^^
• 5026[10:12:10] <ani05995> )
• 5027[10:12:30] <ani05995> :dpkg reconfigure tzdata
• 5028[10:12:33] <ani05995> )
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• 5043[10:18:19] <rickrack> "I question the motives of any group that demands that you never question their story that is used to extort & manipulate the entire world." Melissa Hjörþrimul
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• 5046[10:18:35] <rickrack> replaced-url
• 5047[10:18:53] <rickrack> replaced-url
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• 5057[10:23:35] <rickrack> replaced-url
• 5058[10:23:41] <rickrack> The new Hollywood film “Denial” starring Rachel Weisz as Deborah Lipstadt is due to be released.
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• 5062[10:24:16] <sigma_> i have a japanese keyboard and i'm trying to get the laptop to auto-detect the layout. during the installation i accidentally chose US keyboard. how do i auto-detect the keyboard layout?
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• 5085[10:32:45] <pantato> wait is debiandog only meant to be run as a live cd?
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• 5105[10:41:19] <iamawesome> Hi, when we do apt-get install gnome-tweak-tool, does it remove the older one and install the newer one? Or does it install only the difference or the new part of it to reduce time?
• 5106[10:41:33] <pingfloyd> simonlnu: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
• 5107[10:41:35] <iamawesome> Suppose gnome-tweak-tool is already installed.
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• 5114[10:44:18] <pingfloyd> iamawesome: usually tells you it is already installed
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• 5121[10:45:04] <iamawesome> Suppose it's older version, i did: aptitude update; then, aptitude install gnome-tweak-tool;
• 5122[10:45:04] <ryonaloli> is there a reason why CONFIG_INTEL_DEFAULT_IOMMU_ON is unset in debian?
• 5123[10:45:07] <iamawesome> pingfloyd: ^
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• 5125[10:45:29] <ryonaloli> *CONFIG_INTEL_IOMMU_DEFAULT_ON, rather
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• 5172[11:02:41] <alocer> hello guys :)
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• 5181[11:08:23] <careta> any idea when the next freeze will happen more or less?
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• 5183[11:08:33] <jelly> !stretch freeze
• 5184[11:08:33] <dpkg> Stretch will start to freeze in early 2017; no new versions of packages will enter the release as this is a period of intense bug fixing. See replaced-url
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• 5246[11:35:22] <troffasky> should 'service networking restart' work? using stretch/sid
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• 5255[11:41:28] <ryonaloli> yes, troffasky
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• 5257[11:43:07] <troffasky> ok will do more troubleshooting
• 5258[11:43:40] <troffasky> have a br0 in my /etc/network/interfaces and that causes problems for the logic of that script, apparently
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• 5261[11:44:06] <troffasky> Sep 24 10:29:35 westogre ifup[7285]: device br0 already exists; can't create bridge with the same name
• 5262[11:44:41] <troffasky> seems like it doesn't actually run the post-down commands for br0, because if it did, br0 wouldn't exist
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• 5267[11:48:07] <troffasky> replaced-url
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• 5277[11:52:54] <troffasky> ok looks like my setup doesn't match replaced-url
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• 5286[12:00:37] <alocer> ok . guys i'm searching for a way to show notifications to show on conky . any help will be apreciated :)
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• 5289[12:01:53] <kimN> hi guys. anybody here use atom editor?
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• 5292[12:02:55] <alocer> kimN: what is the problem ?
• 5293[12:03:05] <alocer> kimN: and what doese it do with the debian ?
• 5294[12:03:13] <alocer> kimN: ;-)
• 5295[12:03:28] <kimN> just shooting in the air here, looking for help.
• 5296[12:03:30] <kimN> :)
• 5297[12:03:52] <JyZyXEL> how can badblocks say 0/0/0 errors when there is a I/O error during a read: [1899670.188020] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sdh, sector 1761801816
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• 5299[12:04:16] <alocer> JyZyXEL: maybe there is no badblocks ;-)
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• 5301[12:04:31] <alocer> kimN: ask yout question please ;)
• 5302[12:04:41] <JyZyXEL> but there was a media error says the kernel
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• 5304[12:05:13] <alocer> JyZyXEL: i m not a guru but as i know media error are different from badblocks .
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• 5306[12:05:29] <JyZyXEL> replaced-url
• 5307[12:05:38] <JyZyXEL> that sure seems like a bad block to me
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• 5310[12:06:31] <JyZyXEL> or does the last message "EH complete" mean that it was re-tried and recovered?
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• 5312[12:07:00] <alocer> JyZyXEL: doese it have any partitions or partition table ?
• 5313[12:07:12] <JyZyXEL> no
• 5314[12:07:36] <alocer> JyZyXEL: have you tried to create a partition table for it ?
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• 5316[12:07:49] <JyZyXEL> why would i? how is that even related to this?
• 5317[12:08:30] <alocer> JyZyXEL: well . i don't see any badblocks .. again. if you are sure it is a badblock then don't mind me ;-)
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• 5323[12:09:33] <alocer> JyZyXEL: the sata port is working fine . but there is i/o error .. so i would look in "lsblk" first .
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• 5325[12:10:36] <alocer> JyZyXEL: how do you search a sector on hard disk ? : " blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sdh, sector 1761801816 "
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• 5329[12:13:12] <JyZyXEL> badblocks is supposed to increase the counters when it hits a block that can not be read
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• 5334[12:14:23] <JyZyXEL> unless the block was silently retried and the next read operation succeeded
• 5335[12:14:23] <alocer> JyZyXEL: so when we are talking about a block can i asume that we are talking about a sector .. ( i m googling this right now )
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• 5338[12:15:33] <JyZyXEL> well yeah, one of the sectors within a block seemed bad
• 5339[12:16:30] <JyZyXEL> well since it gave me the sector number, ill just try reading it out manually and see what happens
• 5340[12:17:00] <alocer> JyZyXEL: would you be kind and test the instruction at the wikipedia page ? " replaced-url
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• 5342[12:17:56] <JyZyXEL> dd if=/dev/sdh of=/dev/null bs=512 skip=1761801815 count=1
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• 5345[12:18:22] <JyZyXEL> did i get that right?
• 5346[12:18:24] <alocer> JyZyXEL: i didn't know we can use "dd" too .
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• 5348[12:18:50] <alocer> JyZyXEL: i think it will take years to complete ,. . idk .
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• 5351[12:19:48] <JyZyXEL> seems to read the sector just fine now
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• 5353[12:20:13] <alocer> JyZyXEL: e2fsck -c
• 5354[12:20:14] <JyZyXEL> so i guess it must have re-tried and it succeeded
• 5355[12:20:46] <alocer> JyZyXEL: the error come's up every time you boot ?
• 5356[12:21:13] <JyZyXEL> just during 'badblocks -w' while on the read-cycle
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• 5359[12:22:10] <alocer> JyZyXEL: you are ahead of me . so it is possible that it was just one time .
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• 5364[12:23:53] <JyZyXEL> the kernel must have re-tried it immediately and succeeded
• 5365[12:24:24] <alocer> JyZyXEL: i want to try the command but dont have another hard drive to test it . pitty .
• 5366[12:24:35] <alocer> JyZyXEL: possible
• 5367[12:24:57] <JyZyXEL> would be nice if there was a message about that
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• 5372[12:27:24] <alocer> JyZyXEL: what is "superblock" ?
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• 5435[12:59:46] <Stranger09> how to use thinkpad function keys to lockscreen and other things │ badboy_
• 5436[12:59:48] <Stranger09> | like enabling trackpad, etcyt
• 5437[13:00:12] <Stranger09> i am running i3wm on debian
• 5438[13:00:39] <clu3le33> <msg>
• 5439[13:00:45] <Stranger09> i want to use thinkpad fn keys to lockscreen, on|off trackpad etc
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• 5444[13:01:33] <jelly> Stranger09: does i3 have some sort of global shortcuts system?
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• 5446[13:01:58] <bezaban> nay, but it's possible to enable in config
• 5447[13:02:05] <bezaban> replaced-url
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• 5451[13:03:04] <Stranger09> jelly: dont know
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• 5455[13:04:17] <noqnio1> hey! i want to install a package from testing, but when i added testing to my sources, on the upgrade it tries to upgrade some packages that i had from backports and experimental, which i dont want. how can i avoid this?
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• 5459[13:05:29] <th0r> noqnio1, mixing releases is not a good idea
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• 5462[13:05:57] <noqnio1> unfortunately on a stable desktop environment, it is unavoidable :(
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• 5465[13:08:02] <noqnio1> also, how is it that it finds a newer version of nvidia-driver on testing, when the one i had was from experimental?
• 5466[13:08:21] <BenNZ> noqnio1: use apt-pinning , replaced-url
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• 5468[13:09:24] <noqnio1> i am, does it matter that the sources are on a common file and not on separate lists?
• 5469[13:09:36] <noqnio1> or that im using the jessie keyword instead of stable?
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• 5472[13:10:58] <BenNZ> noqnio1: no it doesnt matter if your lists a seperate or not , and not sure it matters but i would make sure the same keyword is used in your sources as the preferences
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• 5478[13:13:08] <noqnio1> cool ill try that out.
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• 5485[13:14:53] <noqnio1> oh it turns out i didnt have backports on my pinning
• 5486[13:14:54] <noqnio1> :D
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• 5510[13:24:28] <CipherZero> cat /etc/filesystems
• 5511[13:24:28] <CipherZero> cat: /etc/filesystems: No such file or directory <—what’s wrong?
• 5512[13:24:48] <babilen> CipherZero: Are you looking for /proc/filesystems ?
• 5513[13:25:01] <han-solo> or /proc/partitions?
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• 5515[13:25:06] <CipherZero> Debian don’t have /etc/filesystems?
• 5516[13:25:17] <babilen> What are you looking for?
• 5517[13:25:20] <babilen> (and no, it doesn't)
• 5518[13:25:24] <CipherZero> i find filesystems.
• 5519[13:25:29] <CipherZero> ok thanks
• 5520[13:25:30] <CipherZero> ;)
• 5521[13:25:32] <han-solo> it have /proc/filesystems
• 5522[13:25:36] <han-solo> good
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• 5534[13:30:02] <jelly> CipherZero: which distro has /etc/filesystems and what is in there?
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• 5536[13:30:27] <CipherZero> i don’t know. i just read tutorial of linux
• 5537[13:30:30] <CipherZero> jelly:
• 5538[13:31:01] <jelly> which tutorial?
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• 5541[13:31:56] <d_himro> maybe it's something like fstab
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• 5546[13:33:35] <d_himro> or mtab
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• 5548[13:34:14] <CipherZero> jelly: replaced-url
• 5549[13:34:19] <CipherZero> ok
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• 5558[13:37:00] <mkwia> Hi all, I am trying to boot into Debian live on my USB stick and I am getting the error amd-vi: event logged [io_page_fault
• 5559[13:37:11] <mkwia> My keyboard also stops working at that point
• 5560[13:37:47] <jelly> CipherZero: oh, that seems to be something that exists on RHEL or CentOS
• 5561[13:38:07] <CipherZero> CentOS
• 5562[13:38:09] <CipherZero> oh
• 5563[13:38:24] <CipherZero> then i must use CentOS?
• 5564[13:38:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> no
• 5565[13:38:57] <CipherZero> ok
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• 5567[13:39:02] <CipherZero> then i will use Debian
• 5568[13:39:04] <CipherZero> ;)
• 5569[13:39:40] <jelly> CipherZero: that tutorial is written with either RHEL 6 or CentOS 6 in mind
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• 5573[13:39:59] <CutMeOwnThroat> no, it lateron says cat /etc/filesystems (not on all Linux distributions)
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• 5577[13:41:15] <jelly> oh, I didn't browse further. They also seem to use RHEL4 and 5 in the examples
• 5578[13:41:30] <jelly> still it look pretty EL-centric
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• 5581[13:42:11] <mkwia> What am I supposed to type into the Debian GNU/Linux 8 tty1 Debian login: screen?
• 5582[13:42:15] <bezaban> he's using RHEL7 as example some places
• 5583[13:42:27] <babilen> mkwia: The username you want to use to log in
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• 5587[13:43:09] <mkwia> This is Debian live on my USB.. It says login incorrect
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• 5589[13:44:12] <bezaban> default username user, default password live
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• 5595[13:45:26] <bezaban> password entry will not echo characters
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• 5598[13:45:45] <bezaban> (ctrl+u to start again)
• 5599[13:45:50] <oskie> can anyone explain this, all of a sudden my mediawiki postgresql database is empty (no tables)!
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• 5601[13:46:39] <oskie> maybe the 9.5 upgrade didn't work...hmm
• 5602[13:46:51] <bezaban> oskie: not at all. One possibility is a SQLi where a web application has too much access and someone has DROP'd the tables
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• 5605[13:47:33] <bezaban> but it is impossible to say, could be many different reasons
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• 5607[13:47:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, versions postgresql
• 5608[13:47:40] <judd> Package: postgresql on amd64 -- wheezy: 9.1+134wheezy4; wheezy-backports: 9.4+165+deb8u1~bpo7+1; jessie: 9.4+165+deb8u1; stretch: 9.5+175; sid: 9.6+176
• 5609[13:47:41] <oskie> bezaban: yeah, only it is not publicly accessible ... maybe i didn't check it after upgrade a couple of weeks ago
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• 5612[13:47:55] <bezaban> sounds like the upgrade borked it then
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• 5615[13:48:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> this is testing?
• 5616[13:48:42] <oskie> yeah I guess it's stretch.. :)
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• 5618[13:48:59] <mkwia> Do I need a DE for i3 to work? If so, what DE should I get?
• 5619[13:50:27] <bezaban> mkwia: you do not, you can set multimedia/other keys in config, but you may need to use xev or similar to grab keycodes. I use gnome-settings-daemon in the background to get some extra functionality, it is documented online
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• 5624[13:50:52] <bezaban> mostly for network manager applet, sound and some other tidbits
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• 5626[13:51:21] <CutMeOwnThroat> oskie, ask on the network irc.oftc.net in #debian-next, there are more testing people there (although altogether less people, so … patience)
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• 5628[13:51:39] <twanny796> running 8.2, how do I enable cgi to run on apache2?
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• 5647[14:00:48] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi everyone
• 5648[14:00:51] <bittin> hi
• 5649[14:01:09] <bezaban> asl, oh nevermind
• 5650[14:01:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> twanny796, soft-link /etc/apache2/mods-available/cgi.load and /etc/apache2/conf-available/serve-cgi-bin.conf to the respective -enabled directories, I guess (and edit the config for where you want to enable it), then restart apache
• 5651[14:01:11] <bezaban> ;)
• 5652[14:01:30] <Eryn_1983_FL> so If libssl is upgraded package manager will till me to change my keys or reboot right??
• 5653[14:01:38] <Eryn_1983_FL> aptitude is smart like that? dpkg?
• 5654[14:01:54] <bezaban> libssl shouldn't have anything to do with the actual keys
• 5655[14:02:07] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok..
• 5656[14:02:23] <Eryn_1983_FL> but what if there was a bug in it and it made a weak key before..
• 5657[14:02:27] <LaBliMo> Does anyone know if pam_mysql is available for debian with sha256 support ?
• 5658[14:02:41] <bezaban> Eryn_1983_FL: keys for what? How would libssl even know they existed
• 5659[14:02:59] <Eryn_1983_FL> cert or whatever..
• 5660[14:03:23] <petn-randall> Eryn_1983_FL: If things like that happen, they will probably be announced on several tech new sites, and you'll probably pick it up.
• 5661[14:03:29] <bezaban> the keys in use by applications are handled by themselves, you can't have a ssl library changing keys for say a TLS certificate (they would have to be re-issued and would break the website)
• 5662[14:03:50] <Eryn_1983_FL> yeah I get that bezaban
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• 5665[14:04:06] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok petn-randall
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• 5668[14:04:36] <Eryn_1983_FL> i just see all of these CVEs and it freaks me out like uhh should i reboot should i swap my keys now..
• 5669[14:05:04] <bezaban> ah yes. Often it is good practice to rotate keys that have been in use with a known vulnerable cipher suite or similar
• 5670[14:05:36] <petn-randall> Eryn_1983_FL: All those CVEs have a description of the impact. The one CVE rated "high" is a possible DoS. No information leak though.
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• 5672[14:05:47] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
• 5673[14:05:51] <bezaban> heartbleed definately required a key rotation, but in the end it took quite a bit of effort to actually get the private key
• 5674[14:05:56] <petn-randall> Eryn_1983_FL: It's better to inform yourself than to panic :)
• 5675[14:06:28] <Eryn_1983_FL> well thats why I was asking so i Don't panic,
• 5676[14:06:31] <Eryn_1983_FL> thanks for the info guys
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• 5678[14:06:39] <petn-randall> bezaban: And I think 7% of all sites just rotated the certificate, but left the private key the same. :D
• 5679[14:06:50] <bezaban> petn-randall: yees.
• 5680[14:06:55] <petn-randall> !tracker of doom
• 5681[14:06:55] <dpkg> The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at replaced-url
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• 5683[14:07:08] <petn-randall> Eryn_1983_FL: You can look up CVEs here ^
• 5684[14:07:09] <Eryn_1983_FL> lol
• 5685[14:07:15] <Eryn_1983_FL> tracker of doom lol
• 5686[14:07:55] <Eryn_1983_FL> thanks Petn
• 5687[14:07:59] <petn-randall> Eryn_1983_FL: Sometimes you also need to restart applications to pick up the fixed libraries. Install 'needrestart', and it will tell you which daemons need restarting and offer to restart them for you.
• 5688[14:08:15] <Eryn_1983_FL> cool
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• 5690[14:08:26] <Eryn_1983_FL> badass
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• 5697[14:09:13] <twanny796> CutMeOwnThroat: ok ;)
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• 5699[14:09:52] <bezaban> the only time you 'need' to regenerate the private key is if there is a private key leak exploit, or if you want to change keysize or algorithm. I would recommend generating new private keys upon renewal of a certificate or in sensible intervals.
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• 5705[14:11:15] <bezaban> the ciphers used by actual connections are a different concept
• 5706[14:11:28] <bezaban> or cipher suites rather
• 5707[14:11:55] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
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• 5733[14:30:59] <Stranger09> how to change the terminal bell to other audio
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• 5746[14:35:33] <teraflops> Stranger09: which DE/WM there?
• 5747[14:36:02] <Stranger09> i am is using debian on thinkpad
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• 5797[15:08:15] <rindolf> Hi all! How can I split "apt -y update
• 5798[15:08:47] <rindolf> Hi all! How can I split "apt -y update" into more than one transaction like I can using Mageia's urpmi command.
• 5799[15:08:56] <rindolf> ?
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• 5810[15:19:46] <gnugr> rindolf: apt is the most simpliest package tool, why you need to make it more complex
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• 5814[15:21:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> rindolf, that's not easily possible. why do you want to do that
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• 5816[15:21:19] <rindolf> CutMeOwnThroat: so it won't be all-or-nothing.
• 5817[15:21:26] <CutMeOwnThroat> why
• 5818[15:21:37] <gnugr> rindolf: also you can use aptitude or dpkg
• 5819[15:21:48] <rindolf> CutMeOwnThroat: because the all-of-nothing is irritating and frustrating
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• 5821[15:22:26] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's not usually all-or-nothing, but just all
• 5822[15:22:52] <CutMeOwnThroat> and it's not usually a hell lot of packages on stable
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• 5824[15:23:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> so I don't see what's so frustrating and annoying about it
• 5825[15:24:02] <teraflops> debian comes as is, you know … you can save a lot of frustration if you assume that fact
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• 5829[15:24:37] <teraflops> save yourself I guess sorry
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• 5831[15:25:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> there would be several ways to get a behavior like that… but not really any I feel good about recommending
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• 5834[15:26:37] <rindolf> CutMeOwnThroat: ok, sorry, but I
• 5835[15:26:44] <rindolf> CutMeOwnThroat: ok, sorry, but I'm on testing.
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• 5839[15:28:25] <CutMeOwnThroat> but then it is running testing that is frustrating and annoying, not upgrades :O
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• 5841[15:28:51] <meowschwitz> what just happened to mysql-server-5.6 in sid?
• 5842[15:28:55] <meowschwitz> libdbi-perl is gone
• 5843[15:29:04] <meowschwitz> dist-upgrade will break your mysql
• 5844[15:29:05] <petn-randall> rindolf: testing/sid are supported on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net.
• 5845[15:29:17] <rindolf> petn-randall: OK.
• 5846[15:29:18] <petn-randall> rindolf: Thanks for beta-testing our pre-release :)
• 5847[15:29:29] <rindolf> petn-randall: you're welcome .
• 5848[15:30:45] <rindolf> petn-randall: frankly I don't see the point to segregate channels like that.
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• 5850[15:31:01] <abrotman> meowschwitz: perhaps in preparation for 5.7?
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• 5852[15:31:27] <petn-randall> rindolf: A lot of bugs and fixes only apply to one release or another.
• 5853[15:31:41] <meowschwitz> abrotman: not listed in sid transition
• 5854[15:31:55] <abrotman> meowschwitz: someone else is discussing/asking on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
• 5855[15:32:01] <meowschwitz> abrotman: that's me
• 5856[15:32:13] <abrotman> heh, secret identity ..
• 5857[15:32:21] <petn-randall> rindolf: We want to avoid people fixing something wrongly because they heard of it when that fix only really applies to testing.
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• 5859[15:33:08] <abrotman> meowschwitz: perl transition maybe? Though it says 0%
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• 5889[15:44:59] <meowschwitz> abrotman: yeah looks that way
• 5890[15:45:11] <meowschwitz> perl api/abi packages gone
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• 5905[15:51:10] <abrotman> meowschwitz: Wouldn't that break many things?
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• 5907[15:51:37] <mkwia> how do i fix the really blurry fonts?
• 5908[15:51:58] <abrotman> Reading glasses
• 5909[15:52:06] <abrotman> mkwia: can you take a screenshot and show us?
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• 5914[15:52:52] <Limona> hello
• 5915[15:52:54] <Limona> can someone help me
• 5916[15:53:04] <Limona> i'm trying to install mediawiki
• 5917[15:53:10] <Limona> but it says the package is obsolete?
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• 5925[15:55:03] <abrotman> Limona: what does it actually say? Did you run apt-get update firsT?
• 5926[15:55:12] <abrotman> Limona: are you on Jessie?
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• 5928[15:55:34] <abrotman> (if so, /msg dpkg jessie backports, then follow the instructions)
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• 5931[15:56:04] <Limona> i'm on debian
• 5932[15:56:42] <Limona> Package mediawiki is not available, but is referred to by another package.
• 5933[15:56:42] <Limona> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
• 5934[15:56:42] <Limona> is only available from another source
• 5935[15:57:21] <mkwia> abrotman, replaced-url
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• 5939[15:58:56] <th0r> mkwia, that screenshot looks pretty good to me.
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• 5941[15:59:54] <Rephlexie> Limona, replaced-url
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• 5943[16:00:13] <Limona> kk thx
• 5944[16:00:15] <abrotman> Limona: /msg dpkg jessie backports
• 5945[16:00:20] <abrotman> Limona: then install the package from backports
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• 5947[16:00:41] <abrotman> mkwia: that's not blurry at all
• 5948[16:01:00] <mkwia> ok, now that i am looking at it on my windows pc its not bluury
• 5949[16:01:17] <abrotman> huh?
• 5950[16:01:23] <mkwia> but in debian all the text is blurry
• 5951[16:01:41] <mkwia> and there is a pink line ~2-3 px wide on the left and right of the screen
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• 5953[16:01:54] <dutchfish> mkwia, maybe you Debian pc is not at it's native resolution, maybe?
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• 5958[16:02:28] <Limona> abrotman that sounds fish, i'll get some old ver. won't i?
• 5959[16:02:39] <mkwia> it is the same monitor i am using now, and it looked blurry, but the screenshot looks clear now
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• 5965[16:05:35] <dutchfish> mkwia, maybe, the frequency is different on your Debian then on your windows, just a wild gues
• 5966[16:05:45] <dutchfish> mkwia, easy to check
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• 5972[16:07:14] <abrotman> Limona: it's the suggested way.
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• 5975[16:07:25] <Limona> 0o where
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• 5978[16:08:03] <abrotman> I told you
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• 5984[16:09:08] <Limona> i don't have jessie tho
• 5985[16:09:43] <abrotman> Limona: cat /etc/debian_version
• 5986[16:10:02] <Limona> 8.6
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• 5988[16:10:12] <abrotman> That's jessie
• 5989[16:10:26] <Limona> ah okay
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• 6055[16:48:08] <_0xbadc0de> I have here debian-8.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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• 6057[16:48:21] <_0xbadc0de> how can I bootstrap this into a flash drive?
• 6058[16:48:25] <_0xbadc0de> I have windows7
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• 6064[16:49:46] <stoned> bootable usb or install TO usb (use usb flash as hdd)?
• 6065[16:50:07] <_0xbadc0de> I want to boot from a usb flash drive
• 6066[16:50:25] <_0xbadc0de> and install from there
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• 6068[16:50:34] <_0xbadc0de> into the HDD
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• 6071[16:51:49] <dtonal> hey, does somebody know an up-to-date guide for setup an android dev environment on debian?
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• 6073[16:52:21] <abrotman> dpkg: tell _0xbadc0de about win32diskimager
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• 6084[17:01:21] <geode> do you guys remember la linea?
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• 6104[17:11:36] <amdgpu_> anyone here use an amd gpu
• 6105[17:11:40] <amdgpu_> thats relatively recent
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• 6108[17:12:48] <geode> wish i have one instead of nvidia
• 6109[17:12:52] <geode> had*
• 6110[17:13:04] <amdgpu_> amd's new drivers are a pain in the ass
• 6111[17:13:17] <iamawesome> What's the difference between amd gpu and nvidia gpu?
• 6112[17:13:17] <amdgpu_> I still cant get them working on any distro
• 6113[17:13:29] <amdgpu_> amd's linux drivers are shit
• 6114[17:15:10] <CutMeOwnThroat> what's the pciid
• 6115[17:15:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> of your amd card
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• 6117[17:16:45] <han-solo> amd's?
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• 6119[17:18:21] <amdgpu_> I dont know how to check that
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• 6122[17:19:19] <georgeilots> Hello, I have a Sony Vaio vpcz1 22gx laptop. I've tried to install Kali Linux on it, with no luck because when it trys to detect the hard drive, the installer doesnt. Asks me if I want to install to iSCSI ip address? Now I'm looking at this laptop on windows 7 and there is a Intel ich8m-e/5 series sata raid controller, in Intel Rapid Storage Technology app, with Volume 0, Type: RAID 122GB Array_0000. and below it are two 61GB drive(s
• 6123[17:19:19] <georgeilots> ). One is Array disk Port: 0 Toshiba THNS064GG2BNAA, and Array disk Port: 2 same Toshiba drive. My question is there a way to add the drivers of this to a USB stick and then run shell terminal through the Kali Linux installer, and mount the usb drive and use it for the driver for the Intel ich8m-e/5 series sata raid controller? I've tried googling all those but im not really getting anything I can use or download? Or instructions on
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• 6125[17:19:22] <georgeilots> how to do it. May someone please help me out or point me in the right direction.
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• 6128[17:19:38] <abrotman> georgeilots: ask the Kali people, you're in the wrong channel, we support Debian
• 6129[17:19:49] <CutMeOwnThroat> amdgpu_, lspci -nn the number that looks like [xxxx:xxxx]
• 6130[17:20:18] <georgeilots> isnt kali built on debian? and the guys in kali linux, haven't replied in ages, ive tried all morning and all even yesterday
• 6131[17:21:01] <abrotman> georgeilots: again, we support Debian. Install Debian, or ask #kali-linux or maybe ##linux
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• 6133[17:21:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> it is… and a hundred other distros are also based on debian
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• 6137[17:21:21] <amdgpu_> okay Ill switch to debian and try that, brb
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• 6144[17:22:19] <heligoland> ?close
• 6145[17:22:23] <heligoland> sorry
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• 6153[17:25:57] <iamawesome> When we do: aptitude update; aptitude install package, does it remove the older package and install newer one?
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• 6155[17:26:11] <pidof> okay its the amd issues guy again
• 6156[17:26:18] <abrotman> iamawesome: yes
• 6157[17:26:20] <pidof> hopefully I dont get a crash while im here
• 6158[17:26:22] <iamawesome> Or does it install only the difference of newer package or the new part of newer package?
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• 6161[17:27:42] <pidof> lspci -nn gives me a whole bunch of output, but the only thing related to AMD at all is an audio device, I dont get a pci number for that
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• 6163[17:28:23] <iamawesome> abrotman: Does it install only the difference of package?
• 6164[17:28:33] <abrotman> no
• 6165[17:29:01] <pidof> nvm I also get a vga compatible output, even though I am on HDMI. The pci number is 1002:67b1
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• 6167[17:29:07] <Stranger09> how to change the terminal beep to good audio file and what file format
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• 6170[17:29:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, pciid 1002:67b1
• 6171[17:29:30] <judd> [1002:67b1] is 'Hawaii PRO [Radeon R9 290/390]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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• 6173[17:30:21] <CutMeOwnThroat> urgh
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• 6179[17:31:08] <CutMeOwnThroat> that actually sounds like a hell lot of no support
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• 6187[17:32:17] <StrumpZ> hi all, i am (trying to) create a multi boot usb - now I am using Yumi, but it allows only to put debian live - but i want the first debian dvd (or all 3) on the usb, so i have an installation medium - how would i do that?
• 6188[17:32:48] <iamawesome> Which langauge has been used to make aptitude/apt-get?
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• 6191[17:33:25] <iamawesome> Is it possible to get source code of aptitude/apt-get ?
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• 6193[17:34:31] <abrotman> yes
• 6194[17:34:41] <erdave> StrumpZ: use multisystem. It does a pretty good job
• 6195[17:35:06] <StrumpZ> multisystem, ok, will have a look at that
• 6196[17:35:10] <StrumpZ> thx
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• 6204[17:38:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> iamawesome, git://anonscm.debian.org/aptitude/aptitude.git
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• 6207[17:40:28] <CutMeOwnThroat> iamawesome, or replaced-url
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• 6210[17:42:23] <mkwia> Hi all, I just installed debian after trying it out on the live USB thing, and not I have no networking
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• 6216[17:45:55] <iamawesome> I'm using sudo instead of root user, is there any problem with it?
• 6217[17:46:01] <iamawesome> What do you do?
• 6218[17:46:11] <iamawesome> su; password, is it better ?
• 6219[17:46:19] <abrotman> dpkg: tell iamawesome about grounding
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• 6221[17:46:35] <abrotman> iamawesome: perhaps you sohuld read some basic documentation
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• 6225[17:48:08] <CutMeOwnThroat> iamawesome, oh, or on a debian system of course "apt-get source aptitude"
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• 6230[17:50:44] <Stranger09> how to change the terminal beep to good audio file and what file format
• 6231[17:51:08] <iamawesome> abrotman: I did: /msg dpkg sudo , is it enough? I got this: replaced-url
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• 6235[17:51:50] <erdave> mkwia: check the /etc/network/interfaces file.
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• 6238[17:53:26] <mkwia> erdave "auto lo" and "ifacelo inet loopback"
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• 6247[17:58:09] <erdave> mkwia exactly! now what is the output of the "ip link" command?
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• 6265[18:04:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> iamawesome, uh, no. there is no absolute "better", they are just different.
• 6266[18:05:18] <Razva> hi guys! 1000% newb debian user here. I've installed debian on a 2x500gb RAID1 array (software), but unfortunately I've left a lot of space out. at this point I would like to create a /new partition that contains all the available space left on the RAID array. can you please give me a hint?
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• 6271[18:07:50] <iamawesome> CutMeOwnThroat: "CutMeOwnThroat" <-- what does that mean? Or is it CutMyThroat ?
• 6272[18:08:26] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, tell iamawesome about dibbler
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• 6275[18:09:47] <abrotman> Razva: did you use LVM?
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• 6287[18:14:13] <jair> hello all I am trying to remember this command tool I used to see what ips were up and down in my network... basically I run the command and indicated the network CIDR and will ping all the ips and give me an output of which ips were up and which were not responding... anyone?
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• 6291[18:15:12] <erdave> jair: probably nping (from the nmap package)
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• 6293[18:15:29] <jair> erdave: hmm does not ring the bell but I will check that one
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• 6298[18:16:43] <jair> I remember thanks to your comment, it was fping
• 6299[18:16:45] <jair> :)
• 6300[18:16:51] <jair> thank you!
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• 6305[18:18:18] <erdave> ur welcome. Indeed, thats the one I was thinking about, but didnt remember xD
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• 6313[18:23:45] <stranger09> what kernel version debian 8.6 runs
• 6314[18:24:01] <Razva> abrotman yes
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• 6317[18:25:13] <Schmantinski> hello folks, I have a pc sitting around here running with a defective bios rtc - is it possible to disable the hardware clock in debian and only use time from ntp?
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• 6320[18:26:39] <abrotman> Razva: then you can use LVM to use the extra space
• 6321[18:26:42] <hidari> should be able to. Raspberry Pi and Odroid don't have hardware clocks
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• 6323[18:26:58] <blawiz> how can i check which service is using bandwidth? sometimes i lag in game and check nethogs, and see some perl process using bandwidth
• 6324[18:27:04] <hidari> so would think should be able to do with bios not keeping correct time.
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• 6326[18:27:46] <stranger09> Schmantinski: where u from
• 6327[18:27:56] <Razva> abrotman I totally agree, but unfortunately I have no idea how
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• 6329[18:28:03] <Schmantinski> @stranger09 germany, why?
• 6330[18:28:07] <abrotman> stranger09: This isn't a social channel
• 6331[18:28:08] <Razva> it would be best to resize / to the max available disk
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• 6333[18:28:24] <abrotman> Razva: how many filesystems do you have? Just / and swap?
• 6334[18:28:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> Schmantinski, ntpd should fetch the current time when the service is started anyway…
• 6335[18:28:41] <stranger09> Schmantinski: i mispelled ur name? sory
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• 6341[18:29:22] <abrotman> Schmantinski: set the BIOS manaully, then boot up and use ntp?
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• 6343[18:29:35] <CutMeOwnThroat> Schmantinski, it's the "iburst" option to the lines starting with "server" that does that… if that doesn't work for you, maybe the network isn't up at the time when ntp is started
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• 6345[18:29:46] <mystery> Does anyone know how to get awesome window manager working?
• 6346[18:29:59] <Razva> abrotman replaced-url
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• 6348[18:30:10] <mystery> I installed it but the windows look the same
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• 6350[18:30:46] <Schmantinski> CutMeOwnThroat: will try, currently there is still gates OS running on it but obviously it's not possible there, so i want to migrate to deb
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• 6352[18:31:10] <Technicus> Hello. I just installed a Radeon RX 460 and I am having trouble installing drivers. I am following this, but I can only find drivers for Ubuntu replaced-url
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• 6354[18:31:24] <Technicus> I can't find Debian drivers anywhere?
• 6355[18:31:24] <abrotman> Razva: Lots of LVM docs out there .. pastebin 'lvs;pvs;vgs'
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• 6357[18:31:56] <Schmantinski> thanks all, will try!
• 6358[18:31:57] <Technicus> Is there a free driver project that works with Radeon rx 460?
• 6359[18:32:00] <iamawesome> Is it possible to see correct time on both windows and debian? If i set correct time on windows then i don't see the correct time on debian and the vise versa.
• 6360[18:32:01] <Razva> abrotman replaced-url
• 6361[18:32:18] <iamawesome> Restart and time is changed.
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• 6363[18:32:27] <abrotman> iamawesome: use UTC everyhwere
• 6364[18:32:53] <Technicus> I have the Debian Jessie installed.
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• 6367[18:34:08] <hidari> is there a good channel that is for small devices based on debian like raspbian/armbian for rasbperry pi, odroid, etc?
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• 6369[18:34:53] <hidari> or is this good for those type of questions?
• 6370[18:35:22] <Schmantinski> hidari: #raspberrypi maybe?
• 6371[18:35:32] <dayten> \
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• 6373[18:35:40] <Technicus> Can I add the testing repo to jessie?
• 6374[18:36:04] <hidari> #raspberrypi :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
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• 6376[18:36:27] <nkuttler> hidari: so do that
• 6377[18:36:39] <Schmantinski> hidari: then you need an account ;)
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• 6379[18:36:56] <hidari> not to be total noob, but can you point me in right direction?
• 6380[18:37:08] <nkuttler> hidari: /msg nickserv help register
• 6381[18:37:14] <hidari> cool. thanks
• 6382[18:37:27] <nkuttler> hidari: you can also get help in #freenode for everything related to the network
• 6383[18:37:28] <abrotman> Razva: so start with pvresize, then vgextend, then lvextend
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• 6392[18:39:58] <ff-ws> is ftp.nz.debian.org down
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• 6396[18:40:21] <mystery> how can I run awesome after ive installed the package?
• 6397[18:41:12] <TomTomTosch> mystery: by installing a DM or adding exec awesome to -xinitrc
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• 6399[18:41:30] <mystery> Ive added it to my .xinitrc
• 6400[18:41:43] <mystery> atm its in /home/ and that is literally the only line
• 6401[18:41:45] <mystery> is that wrong?
• 6402[18:41:51] <mystery> and its a text file
• 6403[18:42:07] <TomTomTosch> that's fine.
• 6404[18:42:27] <mystery> when i restart my laptop it still looks the same
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• 6406[18:42:45] <TomTomTosch> startx if X is not running.
• 6407[18:42:51] <nkuttler> mystery: which file exactly did you put which line in?
• 6408[18:43:05] <mystery> a text file called .xinitrc in my home directory
• 6409[18:43:13] <Technicus> replaced-url
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• 6412[18:43:48] <nkuttler> !xinitrc
• 6413[18:43:49] <dpkg> rumour has it, xinitrc is just use ~/.xsession instead, ask me about <.xinitrc> for the reason. Also ask about <xsession>.
• 6414[18:43:50] <Razva> on a SSD-only configuration, does Debian/Proxmox need swap partition? if yes, how much on a 64gb RAM machine?
• 6415[18:44:03] <mystery> the only text in there is exec awesome
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• 6417[18:44:05] <MikeDebian> hello all. I'm trying to install Debian jessie on an old pentium 4. I wasn't able to install it from a CD. It booted from the CD but during the installation process it was always going bad at some point and it was freezing. I know the problem is this old cdrom drive. So, I burned the iso image to a hard drive and I'm booting from there. The problem now is that the installer is asking me for the cdrom.. well, I ran a shell and i'm trying to moun
• 6418[18:44:05] <MikeDebian> t the hard drive containing the iso on /cdrom hoping that the installer continue from the hard drive. the problem is that the system is not allowing me to mount the hard drive. it keeps saying invalid argument when using the mount command...
• 6419[18:44:06] <MikeDebian> note that the hard drive I want to mount (containing the iso) is the same I used to boot the installer
• 6420[18:44:09] <nkuttler> mystery: use xsession. does x start at all, or do you just get a login prompt?
• 6421[18:44:09] <MikeDebian> any solution?
• 6422[18:44:15] <Technicus> Is there an installer for this driver?
• 6423[18:44:19] <Razva> on a SSD-only configuration, does Debian/Proxmox need swap partition? if yes, how much on a 64gb RAM machine?
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• 6425[18:44:32] <mystery> im not sure what x is exactly
• 6426[18:44:38] <nkuttler> !proxmox
• 6427[18:44:38] <abrotman> MikeDebian: no USB drives?
• 6428[18:44:38] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
• 6429[18:44:41] <mystery> i have to type in my password when my pc starts
• 6430[18:44:42] <nkuttler> mystery: the gui
• 6431[18:44:51] <mystery> yeah theres a gui
• 6432[18:44:51] <nkuttler> mystery: is that just text or graphical?
• 6433[18:45:04] <mystery> i typed in wmctrl -m and it says "Name: GNOME Shell"
• 6434[18:45:06] <nkuttler> mystery: ok. so use ~/.xsession
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• 6437[18:45:30] <mystery> make a new text file called .xsession and put "exec awesome" in there?
• 6438[18:45:31] <nkuttler> mystery: and in your dm you probably want to select something like default x session
• 6439[18:45:36] <nkuttler> mystery: yeah
• 6440[18:45:39] <mystery> what dm?
• 6441[18:45:44] <mystery> sry im a debian noob lol
• 6442[18:45:44] <TomTomTosch> mystery: if you have gnome already installed log out and select awesome in gdm.
• 6443[18:45:46] <nkuttler> mystery: the thing that asks for login/pass
• 6444[18:45:52] <MikeDebian> it says the same thing if I try to mount the usb drive
• 6445[18:45:54] <Technicus> How do I apply these patches? replaced-url
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• 6447[18:46:01] <mystery> i see ill try it
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• 6449[18:46:11] <nkuttler> Technicus: usually with patch (1)
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• 6452[18:46:48] <Technicus> nkuttler, I've never done this before.
• 6453[18:46:58] <mystery> on the login screen it just has a box for password
• 6454[18:47:07] <mystery> nothing about selecting a window manager
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• 6456[18:47:28] <nkuttler> mystery: you could be running xdm
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• 6459[18:47:44] <mystery> how can i check?
• 6460[18:47:47] <nkuttler> mystery: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
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• 6463[18:48:19] <teraflops> isn't xdm a bit old? even for debian lol
• 6464[18:48:32] <nkuttler> teraflops: nothing wrong with old
• 6465[18:48:36] <mystery> it says /usr/sbin/gdm3
• 6466[18:48:51] <teraflops> what about mishaving with political?
• 6467[18:48:56] <teraflops> polkit
• 6468[18:48:58] <nkuttler> mystery: i see, i don't use that, but gdm really should have a button somewhere to select the wm/session
• 6469[18:49:00] <teraflops> srry
• 6470[18:49:11] <mystery> hmm i see
• 6471[18:49:20] <mystery> damn i better find it then lol
• 6472[18:49:26] <mystery> i just did a blank debian install
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• 6474[18:49:30] <mystery> yesterday
• 6475[18:50:10] <gdev> Where is the UFW (Firewall) folder for custom application rules on Debian (8)? I want to add my custom rules, and there used to be a "custom" folder which is not managed by pkg-manager
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• 6478[18:50:51] <mystery> could it be on settings?
• 6479[18:50:53] <mystery> the button?
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• 6481[18:50:55] <nkuttler> gdev: is it not documented in /usr/share/doc/ufw ?
• 6482[18:50:58] <nkuttler> mystery: probably
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• 6487[18:52:18] <mystery> gonna restart pc and see if this xsession thing worked
• 6488[18:52:29] <nkuttler> mystery: you should only have to log in again
• 6489[18:52:40] <mystery> nope it was still the same looking windows
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• 6494[18:54:06] <mystery> still the same after restart
• 6495[18:54:06] <gdev> nkuttler: Nope, "man ufw" and /etc/share/doc/ufw/README.debian has no word on this
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• 6499[18:54:47] <nkuttler> gdev: i'd probably report a bug, that should be documented
• 6500[18:55:07] <mystery> should .xinitrc be a text final? the other .xxxx files are binary
• 6501[18:55:10] <mystery> to me it seems off
• 6502[18:55:13] <mystery> file*****
• 6503[18:55:14] <nkuttler> !.xinitrc
• 6504[18:55:14] <dpkg> The optional customisation script ~/.xinitrc is used for running X as startx, and ~/.xsession is for when using X from a Display Manager like xdm or kdm. .xinitrc is discouraged in Debian, as if you just use ~/.xsession it will work from both startx and the display manager, as documented in startx(1).
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• 6508[18:56:41] <gdev> nkuttler: Kay
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• 6512[18:57:11] <mystery> does anyone have a user guide for all this x/gdm3/gnome/window manager stuff?
• 6513[18:57:15] <mystery> its so confusing
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• 6515[18:57:41] <mystery> i just want cool looking windows not the debian default stuff
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• 6517[18:57:47] <mystery> but its so tricky it seems
• 6518[18:57:49] <nkuttler> mystery: xdm will just use your ~/.xsession
• 6519[18:57:50] <jmcnaught> gdev: the ufw man page mentions /etc/ufw/applications.d under "APPLICATION INTEGRATION"
• 6520[18:58:11] <nkuttler> mystery: and lightdm certainly has an option for default x session
• 6521[18:58:16] <mystery> is there something i can put in .xsession that would test it works?
• 6522[18:58:20] <mystery> like a popup
• 6523[18:58:23] <gdev> jmcnaught: that was not the question.
• 6524[18:58:24] <nkuttler> mystery: xmessage foo
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• 6526[18:58:36] <mystery> and then logout and in?
• 6527[18:58:43] <nkuttler> mystery: yeah
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• 6529[18:58:56] <gdev> jmcnaught: It was about where I can store custom applications, which are not overriden by package manager. And this is the custom directory :)
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• 6534[18:59:28] <mystery> nothing happened :/
• 6535[18:59:32] <mystery> what was supposed to happen?
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• 6537[18:59:50] <nkuttler> mystery: gdm has to use your xsession file
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• 6539[19:00:00] <mystery> oh nvm
• 6540[19:00:02] <mystery> it worked
• 6541[19:00:06] <mystery> logged out properly
• 6542[19:00:07] <mystery> my bad
• 6543[19:00:14] <nkuttler> great
• 6544[19:00:22] <mystery> ok so shouldnt exec awesome work aswell?
• 6545[19:00:28] <mystery> annoying how the windows look the same
• 6546[19:00:34] <nkuttler> mystery: it should
• 6547[19:00:49] <mystery> dude im clicking okay and its logging me out again
• 6548[19:00:51] <mystery> RIP
• 6549[19:01:03] <kingkong-> to install Rvm as root not recommended ?
• 6550[19:01:04] <mystery> time to reinstall i guess
• 6551[19:01:05] <mystery> lol
• 6552[19:01:06] <yxa> in a systemd .service file, how do I prevent a program from starting unless it detects a /mountpoint is mounted properly?
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• 6554[19:01:24] <nkuttler> kingkong-: rvm?
• 6555[19:01:30] <nkuttler> mystery: nah. just install xdm instead
• 6556[19:01:31] <jmcnaught> gdev: files in /etc should be conffiles. check for example "dpkg --status ufw" and look at the listed conffiles. You can edit conffiles in Debian, and then the package manager gives you the option of keeping your custom file, or using the maintainers version if there is a new version
• 6557[19:01:38] <nkuttler> mystery: it's ugly but it works
• 6558[19:01:39] <mystery> i cant log in nkuttler
• 6559[19:01:46] <mystery> the message pops up
• 6560[19:01:48] <mystery> and i click okay
• 6561[19:01:50] <nkuttler> mystery: ctrl-alt-f1
• 6562[19:01:51] <mystery> and it logs me out
• 6563[19:02:05] <kingkong-> nkuttler: rvm rails
• 6564[19:02:05] <nkuttler> mystery: sounds like awesome is not installed or something
• 6565[19:02:12] <TomTomTosch> remove what you did to .xsession
• 6566[19:02:13] <nkuttler> kingkong-: certainly not as root
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• 6568[19:02:54] <mystery> ok am i in a text version of debian now?
• 6569[19:03:06] <nkuttler> mystery: right. you can edit files etc from there
• 6570[19:03:12] <mystery> how can i edit the file?
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• 6572[19:03:25] <nkuttler> mystery: try nano ~/.xsession
• 6573[19:03:29] <nkuttler> mystery: or, just delete it
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• 6578[19:03:37] <mystery> whats the code for that?
• 6579[19:03:41] <mystery> sry im new like i said
• 6580[19:03:45] <nkuttler> mystery: rm ~/.xsession
• 6581[19:03:53] <slbtc> I'm having issues installing debian it says something about error sector size 0
• 6582[19:04:04] <nkuttler> mystery: and then you'll want to configure gdm to use gnome again
• 6583[19:04:16] <mystery> how?
• 6584[19:04:22] <mystery> cant i just log back in?
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• 6586[19:04:27] <nkuttler> mystery: same way you made it use the xsession file
• 6587[19:04:29] <mystery> i deleted the file that got me in the loop
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• 6589[19:04:39] <nkuttler> mystery: well, you can try, not sure
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• 6592[19:05:10] <slbtc> error: invalid sector size 0
• 6593[19:05:13] <mystery> how did i make gdm use the xsession file?
• 6594[19:05:14] <slbtc> what does that mean?
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• 6597[19:05:39] <nkuttler> mystery: how would i know?
• 6598[19:05:46] <mystery> i dont either
• 6599[19:05:47] <mystery> lel
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• 6601[19:06:11] <mystery> what is gdm?
• 6602[19:06:15] <mystery> is there a user guide?
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• 6606[19:07:19] <mystery> ok so .xsession worked when i put "xmessage" in but when i put "exec awesome" nothing happens
• 6607[19:07:21] <mystery> thats so weird
• 6608[19:07:30] <Lope> anyone know how I can pipe a password to sudo but also pass it via stdin to the script that sudo runs?
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• 6610[19:07:33] <mystery> what should it look like? i assume all the windows would be different
• 6611[19:07:35] <mystery> nice and tiled
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• 6614[19:07:55] <Lope> This command runs the script with sudo: `echo $password | sudo -S script2.sh`
• 6615[19:07:56] <Lope> I tried this, with no luck: ` echo $password | sudo -S 'echo $password | script2.sh' `
• 6616[19:08:09] <slbtc> how could a desktop not have a cd drive?
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• 6618[19:08:23] <slbtc> my new acer desktop has no CD drive
• 6619[19:08:27] <mkwia_> .
• 6620[19:08:28] <nkuttler> mystery: well, you'd have to have some windows to begin with
• 6621[19:08:29] <TomTomTosch> mystery: this is where you should be able to select a different wm. replaced-url
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• 6624[19:08:50] <mystery> WTF
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• 6626[19:08:52] <nkuttler> and, no idea if awesome is tiling or whatever
• 6627[19:08:53] <mkwia_> What are the web server, ssh server and print server things on installation?
• 6628[19:08:53] <mystery> ok ill look
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• 6630[19:09:07] <nkuttler> mkwia_: what do you mean? the tasks?
• 6631[19:09:20] <mystery> WTFFFFF
• 6632[19:09:24] <mystery> its there
• 6633[19:09:28] <mystery> dude how did i miss that
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• 6635[19:09:33] <mystery> thanks man you're a life saver
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• 6637[19:09:39] <mystery> anyway i can make it select one by default?
• 6638[19:09:57] <nkuttler> mystery: the last choice is the default
• 6639[19:10:00] <mkwia_> It says "Choose software to install: GNOME, XFCE, KDE, CINAMON, MATE, LXDE, web server, ssh server, print server and zstandart system utils
• 6640[19:10:16] <nkuttler> mkwia_: yeah, those "tasks" just install a bunch of packages
• 6641[19:10:18] <mystery> hmm "Awesome GNOME" throws an error
• 6642[19:10:18] <mkwia_> print server and standards sys utils are selected by default
• 6643[19:10:22] <mystery> i have openbox on there anyway
• 6644[19:10:24] <mystery> gonna use that
• 6645[19:10:24] <TomTomTosch> mystery: awesome can be a little confusing for beginners. it might be a good idea to read a guid first and write down important keyboard shortcuts.
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• 6647[19:10:35] <TomTomTosch> ah well.
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• 6655[19:11:30] <kingkong-> nkuttler: i installed rvm rails but see thats security risk to install it as root. "rvm implode" is enough to revert it ?
• 6656[19:11:38] <mystery> wtf its just a blank grey screen lol
• 6657[19:11:40] <slbtc> I burned the debian iso image to a USB flashdrive and when I try to install debian 64 - bit it gives me that error
• 6658[19:11:40] <mystery> this is hardcore
• 6659[19:11:44] <nkuttler> kingkong-: no idea. try asking the ruby channel?
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• 6662[19:11:53] <nkuttler> mystery: openbox doesn't have a background or anything by default
• 6663[19:12:00] <nkuttler> mystery: perhaps you should stick to gnome..
• 6664[19:12:02] <mystery> can i add like a taskbar at the top?
• 6665[19:12:04] <kingkong-> ok nkuttler thx
• 6666[19:12:12] <slbtc> my desktop supports 64-bit I know that much.
• 6667[19:12:13] <mystery> gnome feels too kid-ish idk
• 6668[19:12:19] <nkuttler> mystery: sure, install one and use it
• 6669[19:12:42] <nkuttler> slbtc: which error?
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• 6671[19:13:19] <mkwia_> What does "web server" and "ssh server" actually install?
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• 6673[19:13:28] <mystery> cool i just changed to awesome it looks good
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• 6677[19:14:03] <nkuttler> mkwia_: apt-cache show task-web-server etc
• 6678[19:14:05] <slbtc> nkuttler: error: invalid sector size 0
• 6679[19:14:26] <nkuttler> slbtc: err, when booting the installer, or?
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• 6681[19:14:37] <slbtc> nkuttler: yes
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• 6683[19:14:44] <nkuttler> slbtc: sounds like your image is corrupt
• 6684[19:14:54] <missmbob> slbtc: how did you copy the iso to the usb?
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• 6688[19:15:42] <slbtc> with the terminal
• 6689[19:15:52] <nkuttler> slbtc: which command
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• 6692[19:16:14] <mystery> wow this tiling thing is cool ad
• 6693[19:16:15] <mystery> af
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• 6695[19:16:24] <slbtc> nkuttler: sudo dd if=~/debian-8.6.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=1048576
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• 6698[19:17:58] <teraflops> hm why exactly 1048576
• 6699[19:18:06] <teraflops> just curious
• 6700[19:18:18] <slbtc> teraflops: I just found it researching the net
• 6701[19:18:33] <slbtc> teraflops: what would you suggest I put there in stead?
• 6702[19:18:38] <teraflops> slbtc: cp
• 6703[19:18:39] <th0r> teraflops, I believe that is the same as 1M....a megabyte
• 6704[19:18:39] <nkuttler> slbtc: did you verify the md5sum of the iso?
• 6705[19:18:42] <slbtc> instead*
• 6706[19:18:43] <teraflops> cp instead dd
• 6707[19:18:46] <teraflops> yep
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• 6709[19:18:57] <slbtc> ah ok
• 6710[19:19:04] <slbtc> and change nothing else right?
• 6711[19:19:26] <missmbob> remember to sync
• 6712[19:19:27] <teraflops> cp iso /dev/whatever
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• 6714[19:19:49] <slbtc> k
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• 6716[19:20:17] <teraflops> th0r: ah. well 1M works too
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• 6722[19:21:27] <jmcnaught> 'pv debian.iso > /dev/foo' shows progress, requires the pv package
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• 6729[19:22:51] <mystery> what other cool window managers are there that arent as "bubbly" as gnome?
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• 6731[19:22:58] <th0r> teraflops, yeah.for raspbian burns I use 4M...bs is the blocksize for the dd command. The larger blocks make the dd a bit faster
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• 6734[19:23:38] <slbtc> so like this? sudo cp ~/debian-8.6.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdc
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• 6736[19:23:48] <teraflops> mystery: gnome is not a wm
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• 6738[19:23:55] <mystery> oh yeah
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• 6740[19:24:01] <mtn> mystery: and it is not bubbly, either
• 6741[19:24:12] <mystery> so when i click the cog and pick between like gnome, openbox and awesome what am I doing?
• 6742[19:24:14] <mystery> what are they?
• 6743[19:24:16] <jmcnaught> slbtc: cp does not use 'of=destination'. remove the of=
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• 6746[19:24:21] * mtn has never seen a bubble while using gnome
• 6747[19:24:35] <acresearch> hello people, i am trying to download debian, but it seems a bit complicated there are too many options, no option for intel processor
• 6748[19:24:43] <teraflops> mtn: heh
• 6749[19:24:47] <slbtc> jmcnaught: ok
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• 6751[19:25:10] <mtn> mystery: gnome is a desktop environment, awesome is a window manager
• 6752[19:25:23] <slbtc> that was fast
• 6753[19:25:25] <mystery> so why can i pick between them at the start?
• 6754[19:25:29] <zinx> acresearch: amd64 is the instruction set used by modern intel and amd processors
• 6755[19:25:32] <mystery> or am i only picking between window managers?
• 6756[19:25:32] <slbtc> how do I check to see if it worked or not?
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• 6758[19:25:37] <mystery> and awesome is still inside gnome?
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• 6760[19:25:42] <acresearch> zinx: thanks
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• 6765[19:26:37] <mkwia_> I just got a fatal error: Executing 'grub-install dummy' failed
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• 6767[19:28:01] <teraflops> mystery: you want to use awesome as WM for gnome? iirc you can't
• 6768[19:28:23] <mystery> ok so when i click the cog on login
• 6769[19:28:35] <mystery> i see "awesome", "gnome", "gnome classic", "openbox"
• 6770[19:28:39] <mystery> what are all those?
• 6771[19:28:41] <mystery> window managers?
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• 6773[19:29:29] <fsoc> 0x356CDCDE ?
• 6774[19:29:31] <jmcnaught> mkwia_: during the installer? did it have you choose where to install grub?
• 6775[19:30:06] <mkwia_> No, this happened during a graphical installation under "install grub bootloader on hard drive"
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• 6778[19:31:27] <jmcnaught> mkwia_: is this a new computer with NVMe?
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• 6783[19:32:06] <mkwia_> No.
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• 6786[19:33:01] <jmcnaught> mkwia_: the installer should let you return to its main menu, if you select the install grub step again, does it ask where to install grub? It may not if this is a UEFI system
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• 6791[19:36:21] <mkwia_> OK... ERM, I have never seen this before, my USB drive just started emitting smoke
• 6792[19:36:27] <mkwia_> And then set on fire
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• 6805[19:42:23] <jmcnaught> mkwia_: that sounds like a hardware issue.
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• 6811[19:45:01] <squigz> Is it just me, or is Google Chrome on Jessie super unstable? My entire system keeps hanging because of it...
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• 6814[19:45:21] <zinx> squigz: i think it may just be you.. or your video drivers
• 6815[19:45:51] <squigz> Ah, could be the latter
• 6816[19:45:56] <squigz> Haven't installed any drivers
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• 6820[19:47:39] <towo`> and debian does not provide google chrome
• 6821[19:47:52] <towo`> so maybe you have to ask the vendor
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• 6843[19:53:21] <mkwia> After partitioning I am being told that no efi partition was found, what do?
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• 6845[19:55:36] <jmcnaught> mkwia: you need to make one. the installer will make one in guided partitioning mode
• 6846[19:55:53] <mkwia> guided partitioning mode ain't making one
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• 6851[19:57:11] <mkwia> I have a 2TB hard drive. ~1.5TB is used by my documents on windows. There is ~500GB of free space where I want to install debian
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• 6853[19:59:06] <trampel> mkwia: probably the greatest thing about archlinux is it's documentation: replaced-url
• 6854[19:59:10] <jmcnaught> mkwia: it will be a fat32 partition, marked as ESP
• 6855[19:59:17] <trampel> s/it's/its/
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• 6860[20:01:10] <apollo13> hi, is there anything special I need to do to get the debian cloud images running on virtualbox?
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• 6862[20:01:18] <apollo13> seems they just hang?!
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• 6866[20:02:14] <apollo13> it says: hwdb.bin does not exist, please run devadm hwdb --update -- which is a bit hard to do without a shell
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• 6871[20:03:20] <mkwia> I unplugged my SSD that has my windows installation on it, rescanned, did NOT force UEFI mode and now the Debian partitions went through
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• 6998[20:19:51] <andreyv> Hello. "apt-get autoremove" prints "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded." on my jessie install. How can I know which are these five packages?
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• 7000[20:20:22] <andreyv> "apt-get dist-upgrade" prints all zeroes in the corresponding line
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• 7002[20:20:48] <nkuttler> all zeroes?
• 7003[20:21:02] <andreyv> "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
• 7004[20:21:12] <jmcnaught> andreyv: apt list --upgradable
• 7005[20:21:13] <teraflops> hmm tried dist-upgrade?
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• 7013[20:22:23] <jmcnaught> also "aptitude search '?upgradable'"
• 7014[20:22:43] <andreyv> jmcnaught: awesome, it printed five packages from jessie-backports
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• 7017[20:23:10] <andreyv> Now I probably know what to do next — thanks
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• 10681[21:07:21] <alex1a> apachectl package does not exist ?
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• 10716[21:08:20] <jmcnaught> alex1a: apachectl is in the apache2 package
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• 10776[21:09:21] <alex1a> anyway to see a list of enabled sites in apache ? one of my /alias does not work, give me 404 (not found)
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• 10800[21:09:56] <jmcnaught> alex1a: 'ls /etc/apache2/sites-enabled'
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• 10818[21:10:25] <alex1a> jmcnaught, files in that folder was auto generated, jmcnaught ?
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• 10823[21:10:35] <alex1a> ops, sory for double mention
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• 10854[21:11:08] <jmcnaught> alex1a: files in that directory are symlinks to files in /etc/apache2/sites-available. You enable/disable them with a2ensite and a2dissite
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• 10930[21:14:06] <alex1a> my /etc/apache2/apache2.conf seems correct. i don't get, maybe because i don't do this command "a2enmod userdir rewrite", what this do ? :x
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• 10943[21:14:32] <jmcnaught> alex1a: that's the Debian way of managing virtualhosts for sites. You can of course just put all of your virtualhosts in one big file. Have you read /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz ?
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• 11001[21:16:50] <alex1a> nop, jmcnaught, i not familiar with web servers yet, but before i changing /replaced-url
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• 11009[21:17:03] <alex1a> you can check it, jmcnaught. replaced-url
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• 11020[21:17:26] <alex1a> while other alias, seems to work fine > replaced-url
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• 11028[21:17:55] <jmcnaught> alex1a: i just get a cloudflare message asking me to enable javascript, and i don't want to
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• 11042[21:18:21] <alex1a> jmcnaught, i can disable cloudflare for a while lel
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• 11051[21:18:48] <alex1a> but don't open if u don't trust, just a mediawiki and a partkeepr framework in my celeron srv
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• 11110[21:25:03] <alex1a> ffs, parteepr, miss the k
• 11111[21:25:06] <alex1a> partkeepr
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• 11133[21:29:48] <hid3> Hello everyone. After an upgrade from wheezy to jessie my mysql daemon does not start... I'm getting this: [FAIL] Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!
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• 11136[21:30:01] <hid3> any clues what might have gone wrong and where to look further?
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• 11141[21:31:41] <awal1> How to copy X output from terminal using keyboard?
• 11142[21:32:06] <awal1> usually Shift+Ctrl+v for paste but copy ?
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• 11149[21:35:18] <TomTomTo1> ctrl+shift+c for things like gnome-terminal^^
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• 11155[21:37:17] <awal1> TomTomTo1, right but that need the use of mouse for select what one want to copy.
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• 11170[21:37:57] <TomTomTo1> sure.
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• 11176[21:38:05] <awal1> I should have to ask about how to select X text in terminal using only keyboard
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• 11205[21:38:57] <awal1> so: how to select a given text in terminal using only keyboard ? _P
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• 11631[21:41:10] <troffasky> tmux/screen have their own cut/paste but won't help with other X applications
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• 11648[21:42:17] <awal1> troffasky, right; I have seen that googling. I was alsmot refering to standard x terminal emulators such as guake, terminator, lxterminal...
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• 11656[21:42:51] <awal1> I usually use guake
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• 11661[21:43:23] <troffasky> you'd probably do better pursuing the mouse-emulation-with-cursor-keys route
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• 11663[21:43:25] <awal1> because of the drop down feature
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• 11671[21:44:03] <awal1> toffasky, good idea yeah :) I'll look at that .
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• 11961[22:01:56] <hexnewbie> awal1: I didn't see if someone managed to answer you, so in case nobody did, Ctrl+Shift+C and Ctrl+Insert work in some terminals
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• 11987[22:05:20] <awal1> hexnewbie, yeah I know that ctrl+shit+c copy and ctrl+shift+v paste; my question was wrong, I was wondering on how to select (using keyboard)
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• 11990[22:05:55] <hexnewbie> awal1: Sadly, you can't do that. But if you use vim with X support, you could copy to the X PRIMARY or CLIPBOARD
• 11991[22:06:35] <teraflop> shift + ->
• 11992[22:07:00] <teraflop> arrow key
• 11993[22:07:43] <hexnewbie> Shift + → just makes funny sounds on my system, and sends C to the terminal
• 11994[22:07:55] <awal1> hexnewbie, seems not suppoerted by standard terminal emulators, right; except tmux/screen. will try again screen, long time havent used it; also keyboard emulation
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• 12005[22:08:12] <awal1> teraflop, shift + arrow key for?
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• 12013[22:08:39] <hexnewbie> awal1: replaced-url
• 12014[22:08:58] <awal1> i get C here at the end of the text/line :P teraflop
• 12015[22:09:14] <teraflop> selcting text
• 12016[22:09:26] <debkad> some option in mpv not working, i guess because of the old version
• 12017[22:10:10] <teraflop> awal1: i have to check it. im on the phone
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• 12181[22:17:07] <Elronnd> I just switches from gnome to fvwm, and now the font in gnome-terminal looks weird
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• 13175[22:20:33] <nikomo> Why would anyone spend time DDoSing Freenode, there's a new WoW expansion out, that's for more interesting. I guess Blizzard threw too much money into anti-DDoS
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• 13218[22:21:04] <debkad> things happen
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• 13244[22:21:23] <awal1> debkad, which feature (s) are you missing with mpv?
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• 13274[22:21:54] <debkad> awal1, audio-pitch-correction (option not found) and the same for ytdl-format
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• 13297[22:22:28] <teraflop> debkad: jessie?
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• 13305[22:22:37] <debkad> teraflop, yes
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• 13313[22:23:25] <debkad> PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie)" from cat /etc/os-release
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• 13315[22:23:47] <debkad> there are other lines too
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• 13323[22:24:23] <debkad> the full file replaced-url
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• 13337[22:25:18] <debkad> version of mpv 0.6.2
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• 13348[22:27:38] <debkad> hmm
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• 13831[22:33:15] <f31n1> hi, can anyone explain me why htop shows 100% cpu load but no process using any ressources?
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• 13927[22:34:04] <cart_man> Hey guys... how does one manually install a package? Lets say I want to install SSH onto my Debian but I want to do it without a package manager. The reason I need to to it this way is because I can not seem to install with apt-get ...read only file system error
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• 13939[22:34:08] <sine0> I am using a virtualmachine in vbox with debian net install and every time i try to ssh to it it hangs and i restart the ssh connectiong its fine. also with webpage request sometimes they timeout untill i do it again and its straight in. what sort of issue could cause this? could it be a dns issue or hostnameor something
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• 14092[22:35:30] <zykotick9> cart_man: if you have a "read only file system" then manually installing isn't going to work either
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• 14126[22:35:48] <zykotick9> cart_man: yes you can filter join/part/etc... but it's irc client specific.
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• 14134[22:35:56] <cart_man> zykotick9: I dont know why I have a file system like that though... its on a Riot embedded board
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• 14159[22:36:12] <cart_man> zykotick9: Getting a TON of these messages
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• 14189[22:36:47] <cart_man> zykotick9: Is it not strange that the entire disc is readonly ? even the one the OS is on ? How can I fix that?
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• 14207[22:37:18] <cart_man> zykotick9: I am using the online browser client
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• 14223[22:37:40] <zykotick9> cart_man: i'm not sure why your root is read only either... it _might_ be possible to remount read/write but i don't know specifically off the top of my head how.
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• 14242[22:38:10] <zykotick9> cart_man: if you aren't using a real client, then you probably can't filter those out... my suggestion, use a real client.
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• 14244[22:38:10] <cart_man> zykotick9: But hows that possible... because I cant possibly unmount my current OS drive?
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• 14261[22:38:30] <zykotick9> cart_man: remount is an option
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• 14288[22:39:23] <cart_man> zykotick9: with it running?
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• 14301[22:39:50] <zykotick9> cart_man: i "think" so... but i could be wrong. i don't know the specific details you need, sorry.
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• 14312[22:40:21] <zykotick9> cart_man: also, is this a "real" debian install, or something specific for you device?
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• 14319[22:41:56] <cart_man> zykotick9: No its a real debian wheezy
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• 14910[22:52:25] <stoned> cart_man: go to packages.debian.org and get the package that you need, download it, and dpkg -i filename.deb
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• 14918[22:52:31] <stoned> cart_man: what's wrong w/ you apt-get
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• 14991[22:53:06] <stoned> cart_man: yes you can, consult your irc client
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• 15025[22:53:30] <stoned> cart_man: replaced-url
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• 15042[22:53:59] <cart_man> stoned: Well my apt-get install prcedure keeps on saying ...Can not clean mess " xxxx " and then just says " read only file system " and fails
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• 15083[22:55:00] <stoned> replaced-url
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• 15126[22:56:01] <stoned> how did you install debian on it? when you installed debian to this baord, *not sure if it's even supported on that hardware* you must hve selected your disk space and file system
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• 15160[22:56:36] <cart_man> stoned Sorry I got intoa lcinet
• 15161[22:56:38] <stoned> RIOT is an OS it seems. I'm not familiar with it but how is it debian?
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• 15164[22:56:39] <cart_man> client`
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• 15180[22:57:04] <debkad> o_o
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• 15185[22:57:28] <cart_man> Stoned: Sorry I missed some of the converation
• 15186[22:57:30] <stoned> replaced-url
• 15187[22:57:33] <stoned> np
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• 15193[22:57:46] <stoned> This is not a very common bard
• 15194[22:57:48] <stoned> board*
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• 15210[22:57:57] <cart_man> Yea I know... its qutie bad imo
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• 15212[22:57:59] <stoned> how did you install debian on it? when you installed debian to this baord, *not sure if it's even supported on that hardware* you must hve selected your disk space and file system
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• 15222[22:58:40] <stoned> did the board come with some debian flavor? or the apt package system?
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• 15224[22:58:49] <stoned> it may not even be debian, could just be using apt.
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• 15226[22:58:56] <cart_man> No I have been givne the system with the OS already installed ... I must make edits to the source on it but I can not cross compile because I can not install anything on it ... MFL
• 15227[22:58:58] <stoned> it seems it's RIOT is an OS with a micro kernel.
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• 15232[22:59:10] <stoned> that sucks.
• 15233[22:59:13] <cart_man> stoned : highly doubt that...everything about this is a hack
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• 15240[22:59:32] <stoned> I dabble in embedded stuffs
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• 15243[22:59:37] <stoned> but this I never heard of
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• 15256[23:00:09] <cart_man> The Riot board or the Readable OS FS?
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• 15258[23:00:16] <cart_man> READ only ``
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• 15275[23:00:41] <stoned> If the OS FS is read only
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• 15277[23:00:45] <stoned> you're SOL
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• 15282[23:00:58] <stoned> It's probably memory based, maybe loads eveything in ramdisk
• 15283[23:01:01] <stoned> I have no idea.
• 15284[23:01:18] <stoned> I have no idea. Sorry man, I'm looking.
• 15285[23:02:33] <cart_man> FML ... lol no problem man thanks!
• 15286[23:02:55] <stoned> I would consult w/ the riotboad forums/mailing list or support
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• 15289[23:03:31] <stoned> replaced-url
• 15290[23:03:39] <stoned> debian on riotboard installatio
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• 15315[23:13:24] <_unreal_> how do I distro upgrade from wheezy to jessie with CLI
• 15316[23:14:07] <abrotman> dpkg: tell _unreal_ about wheezy->jessie
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• 15319[23:16:21] <awal1> _unreal_, just point your wheezy cources.list to jessie (or stable) the apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
• 15320[23:16:38] <awal1> _unreal_, can you paste your sources file?
• 15321[23:17:03] <awal1> then apt-get ... ^
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• 15329[23:18:38] * awal1 Wonders what happens with freenode :(
• 15330[23:18:49] <debkad> ddosed
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• 15332[23:18:59] <cart_man> stoned : Ok soo... It seems like I can edit the files when I remove the SSD and put it into my PC. Soooo if I could obtain a SSH package and extact it.. is it possible for me to place all the files where they need to go manually? Will that even work?
• 15333[23:19:03] <debkad> apparently it still
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• 15344[23:22:01] <_unreal_> awal1, sorry was doing a lot of reading
• 15345[23:22:17] <_unreal_> and there is no audio currently on this
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• 15347[23:22:29] <_unreal_> err the remote computer I'm logged into
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• 15349[23:24:30] <_unreal_> I as missing sources, so I have to update/upgrade before I can do any switches
• 15350[23:24:33] <_unreal_> to jessie
• 15351[23:25:31] <_unreal_> ouch 900 megs of updates first, and that computer is running off of an SD card :S
• 15352[23:25:36] <_unreal_> this is going to take a while
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• 15364[23:28:53] <kevr> i have an issue when im trying to install libclang-dev, says libc-bin depends on libc6 < 2.20 but 2.5 is to be installed
• 15365[23:29:03] <kevr> i'm only synced up to one repository, shouldn't these dependencies be resolved?
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• 15367[23:29:19] <kevr> looks like postgresql 9.4 depends on some older versions of stuff
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• 15370[23:30:34] <TomTomTo1> are you mixing releases?
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• 15373[23:30:49] <TomTomTo1> jessie does not have libc6 2.5
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• 15383[23:32:02] <TomTomTo1> !tell kevr about bat
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• 15390[23:32:16] <TomTomTo1> more information would also help^^
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• 15449[23:38:05] <kevr> i fixed with an apt-get clean apparently
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• 15452[23:38:20] <kevr> I also have another issue though, clang++ seems to be straight up using the clang c compiler for some reason
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• 15467[23:40:07] <stoned> cart_man: debian package is ar archive you can manually extract it I suppose
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• 15479[23:40:46] <cart_man> stoned : My expectations of that working are quite low though
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• 15481[23:40:51] <stoned> hang on
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• 15488[23:41:08] <CrtxReav1> Is there a way to get siginfo from a running dd process?
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• 15514[23:44:23] <stoned> cart_man: ti's a goofy h acky way, and I'm stoned but let's see whats others say. boot debian live cd, mount ssd, mount bind to /, install someething?
• 15515[23:44:31] <stoned> I have no idea if that would even work.
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• 15521[23:45:28] <stoned> if you can get the ssd out, look at your configs and find out why riotboard is mounting everything read only
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• 15524[23:45:56] <stoned> maybe you can change that and just have the debian os on the riotboard install packages etc.
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• 15531[23:46:42] <_unreal_> I think I'm getting some where, I'm now doing the apt-get upgrade on jessie repo's
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• 15536[23:47:01] <_unreal_> then Ineed to dist-upgrade, currently got 400 megs of upgrades to download
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• 15539[23:47:41] <cart_man> stoned: Ok I am going to grep and hopefully find a mount read only stirng ... What do they usually look like ? mount -r /dev/xxx ?
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• 15544[23:48:32] <stoned> cart_man: or you can grab the packages and dpkg --root=/path/to/ssd/somewhere maybe?
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• 15552[23:49:04] <stoned> check the ssd's /etc/fstab
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• 15559[23:49:54] <stoned> it would be under mount options, rw
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• 15561[23:49:58] <stoned> er.. sorry 'ro'
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• 15566[23:50:49] <stoned> cart_man: it IS debian on this ssd and not riotOS, correct?
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• 15587[23:51:43] <cart_man> stoned: No its Debian wheezy ... since RiotOS had some driver problems with i2c
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• 15591[23:51:54] <stoned> Ok
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• 15593[23:52:09] <stoned> who installed debian on it?
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• 15703[23:53:31] <zackychan> hi everybody , how can I make a start up script run after everything is initialized ? (I get conflicts because all is not loaded at startup)
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• 15705[23:53:49] <stoned> cart_man: what if you boot the ssd on riotboard into revoery mode and remount the ssd as rw
• 15706[23:53:54] <stoned> did you try that
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• 15712[23:53:58] <debkad> zackychan, autostart
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• 15714[23:54:07] <teraflop> zackychan: man systemd.unit
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• 15724[23:54:58] <stoned> cart_man: what file system is it anywa
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• 15729[23:55:15] <zackychan> I have ubuntu server
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• 15735[23:55:27] <zackychan> debkad what do you call autostart ?
• 15736[23:55:29] <stoned> zackychan: try #ubuntu-server
• 15737[23:55:34] <stoned> This is debian
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• 15739[23:55:38] <zackychan> ok
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• 15741[23:55:41] <debkad> ah ubuntu nvm
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• 15746[23:55:55] <stoned> or ##linux
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• 15753[23:56:07] <zackychan> thanks
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• 15784[23:58:30] <zackychan> nobody answer on ubuntu-server channel
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